Overnight Open Thread
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.
— Groucho Marx
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.
— Groucho Marx
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:28:43pm |
Good evening all. Night shift checking in. So what's the news and talking points tonight?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:14pm |
I'm waiting for xwar-whatever to ding it down.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:35pm |
re: #3 allbusiness
Rather pessimistic, Groucho was.
I would say cynical experienced actually. From what he said in that quote, I would have to agree with him.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:39pm |
"I never forget a face, but in your case, I'll make an exception."
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Occasional Reader Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:49pm |
FIREFLY 2012
Rufus T. Firefly! Change you can believe in!
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:04pm |
Heh. I like it, but then again, it's always good to be a Marxist of the Groucho variety. ;-)
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Max Darkside Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:10pm |
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.
Gone.
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stevieray Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:30pm |
Pretty smart for a guy with a shoe polish mustache.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:37pm |
re: #7 laZardo
Well, I'm going to have a nightmare tonight. :[
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:31:13pm |
"I'd never belong to a country club that would have me as a member"- Groucho Marx
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:31:43pm |
re: #4 BlueCanuck
Good evening all. Night shift checking in. So what's the news and talking points tonight?
nirth certificate
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Wyatt Earp Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:05pm |
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calcajun Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:12pm |
Most folks in the GOP's attitude right now has got to be like Groucho's when he tried to join a country club. "I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have someone like me as a member.."
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:44pm |
re: #16 spidly
Uh, huh. Saw that thread. It's sad to see that we have the same kind of nutbars running around like the left does.
/It's dead Jim, just let it go. . . .
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:50pm |
re: #12 Adina in Judea
Wanted to change my avatar to that for Halloween Weekend, actually. But then Charles and his Zionist mind rays forecast that leading him to disable avatars for the time being.
Oh, and as per the previous thread, I voted for Canada. Just in case Iran got cocky.
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Paul Green Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:52pm |
"Poly" -- many
"ticks" -- blood-sucking parasites
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:00pm |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:16pm |
re: #18 calcajun
GTMA- See my #14...
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Occasional Reader Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:27pm |
"Go! And never darken my towels again!"
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:35pm |
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first."
-Mark Twain
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Shay4l Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:46pm |
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.
-Groucho
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esch Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:12pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.Gone.
ROFLMFAO
This (gnashing teeth) PERSON doesn't have the faintest idea what to do. I'll bet there is puking involved.
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calcajun Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:31pm |
AS a guest at a country cub in Orange NJ one day, Marx was told that he could not use the pool.
"Why," asked Marx.
"Because," said the manager, "even as a guest, we don't allow Jews in the pool."
Marx narrowed his eyes. "Well, what about my daughter? She's half Jewish. Can't she go in up to her knees?"
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:40pm |
"I have been through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened."
-Mark Twain
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firedupengineer Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:35:02pm |
It sounds like Groucho was talking about the MSM's reporting of the McCain/Palin campain...
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:35:20pm |
re: #20 laZardo
Wanted to change my avatar to that for Halloween Weekend, actually.
Well, now I finally have a use for this phrase:
That picture was disturbing on so many levels! :)
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:35:55pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.Gone.
Maybe someone slipped him a constitution and he's realized that his primary mission is national defense and that all this social engineering stuff should really be left to individual states so their schtoopid plans will have limited impact.
what are the odds
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:36:19pm |
re: #9 Honorary Yooper
Huffton?
Howtin?
Hewton?
Hoffton?
Hoe-ton?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:36:27pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.Gone.
This POTUS's conceit is truly breathtaking.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:37:14pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:37:22pm |
Of all the Marx family to listen to, our current president-elect has to choose Karl.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:37:56pm |
re: #33 spidly
Maybe someone slipped him a constitution and he's realized that his primary mission is national defense and that all this social engineering stuff should really be left to individual states so their schtoopid plans will have limited impact.
what are the odds
I think Obama's online agenda met up somewhere with his Columbia records, nirth certificate, and a lifetime of socks lost in clothes dryers.
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:03pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.Gone.
In quiet moments, I fantasize that Obama has actually been scamming William Ayers for the last 20 years, and that he's really just your run-of-the-mill corrupt Chicago grafter. This instills in me a hope that he will put his own self-interest ahead of any Leftist loyalties he has, and will govern in such a way that he angles for re-election.
Then I snap out of it, and realize once more that he is likely to govern the way he talks: hard-Left, redistributionist, weak on defense.
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:06pm |
As A kid in the 70s, memories of Grouch Marx are intermingled with those of Alan Alda's lousy imitations of Marx.
Tragic, really. I am permanently scarred, having been spoon fed New Left morality by M*A*S*H* every week and having any memories of Groucho Marx permanently impaired.
I should sue.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:21pm |
re: #38 gmsc
Of all the Marx family to listen to, our current president-elect has to choose Karl.
Upding for that.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:27pm |
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
-Groucho Marx
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Occasional Reader Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:39:32pm |
re: #43 gmsc
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
-Groucho Marx
I use that line all the time.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:40:26pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
There was a link on the DT about the page where he was supposed to be detailing his National Service program saying only "NEEDS CONTENT."
This one doesn't look worthy of the "AGENDA FAIL" label though.
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:40:27pm |
Go ahead, drop your baby.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:40:34pm |
re: #35 wolfie
Huffton?
Howtin?
Hewton?
Hoffton?
Hoe-ton?
From the last thread?
That's Houghton, Michigan, pronounced "Hoton". (And stencilled that way on city property.)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:41:10pm |
re: #41 karmic_inquisitor
As A kid in the 70s, memories of Grouch Marx are intermingled with those of Alan Alda's lousy imitations of Marx.
Tragic, really. I am permanently scarred, having been spoon fed New Left morality by M*A*S*H* every week and having any memories of Groucho Marx permanently impaired.
I should sue.
The first three seasons of M*A*S*H not like that. That was classic TV. After Wayne Rogers left and was replaced by Mike Fairy, I mean Farrell, that's when the show went downhill.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:04pm |
"I used to think I was poor. Then they told me I wasn't poor, I was needy. Then they told me it was self-defeating to think of myself as needy. I was deprived. (Oh not deprived but rather underprivileged.) Then they told me that underprivileged was overused. I was disadvantaged. I still don't have a dime. But I have a great vocabulary."
-Jules Feiffer
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:13pm |
re: #38 gmsc
Of all the Marx family to listen to, our current president-elect has to choose Karl.
with all the revisions going on it probably looks more like a stooges argument..."wadda think yer doin'...bonk..HEY...slap...OW...why I oughta..."
site is down because curley is on the floor doing the nyuk nyuk circle run
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William Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:19pm |
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don't either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.
BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.
[Link: www.charlierose.com...]
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:37pm |
Damn, I love Groucho.
I love the Marx Brothers' movies.
Nearly 30 years ago, when I was 17, my mom heard me cackling with laughter in the "tv room" and came in to find out what I was watching (we just got cable, so she was nervous).
She was so pleased that I was watching "something clean" that she made some popcorn (the old-fashioned way) and joined me.
At 17, I was either intelligent and perceptive beyond my age, or the biggest f'ing geek you've ever met.
Both are probably true.
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Rancher Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:40pm |
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.
Some things never change.
Real Rancher
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:44:12pm |
re: #51 William
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
They only had two years. Give'em a break.
/
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:45:41pm |
re: #51 William
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.BROKAW: No, I don't either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.
BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.
The right has been saying this all year.
These guys finally figured it out.
They must be geniuses.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:45:46pm |
re: #46 DesertSage
Go ahead, drop your baby.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Holy shit. That's fucked up.
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Shay4l Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:11pm |
re: #52 Noam Sayin'
Damn, I love Groucho.
I love the Marx Brothers' movies.
Nearly 30 years ago, when I was 17, my mom heard me cackling with laughter in the "tv room" and came in to find out what I was watching (we just got cable, so she was nervous).
She was so pleased that I was watching "something clean" that she made some popcorn (the old-fashioned way) and joined me.
At 17, I was either intelligent and perceptive beyond my age, or the biggest f'ing geek you've ever met.
Both are probably true.
Alllthe people I respect the most laugh at the Stooges. The ones that don't get it scare me.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:17pm |
re: #50 spidly
with all the revisions going on it probably looks more like a stooges argument..."wadda think yer doin'...bonk..HEY...slap...OW...why I oughta..."
site is down because curley is on the floor doing the nyuk nyuk circle run
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esch Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:22pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:40pm |
re: #56 Adina in Judea
Either way, they'll be the first to get credit for it.
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:47:25pm |
re: #51 William
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
The media has become suddenly uncurious when it comes to Obama, it will surely come back to bite them in the ass, the only question is how and when.
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Shay4l Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:48:20pm |
re: #59 Shay4l
Alllthe people I respect the most laugh at the Stooges. The ones that don't get it scare me.
Now I'm scaring myself. I meant the Marx Bros.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:48:23pm |
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:48:37pm |
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Rancher Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:49:07pm |
re: #58 Noam Sayin'
Better than bride burning, another Indian past time.
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esch Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:49:12pm |
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:49:30pm |
re: #52 Noam Sayin'
Used to go to our Public Library in the kids section when they showed old movies. Movies like the Marx Brothers, Laurel and Hardy, and the Three Stooges. Talkies, silent films, the works. Guess that's why I like Monty Python so much. Same type of humour, just modernized.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:07pm |
re: #52 Noam Sayin'
Damn, I love Groucho.
I love the Marx Brothers' movies.
Nearly 30 years ago, when I was 17, my mom heard me cackling with laughter in the "tv room" and came in to find out what I was watching (we just got cable, so she was nervous).
She was so pleased that I was watching "something clean" that she made some popcorn (the old-fashioned way) and joined me.
At 17, I was either intelligent and perceptive beyond my age, or the biggest f'ing geek you've ever met.
Both are probably true.
Your Mom was nervous about cable TV back then?
Geez, back then MTV played music 24/7 and Nickelodean played shows for kids.
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:28pm |
re: #58 Noam Sayin'
Maybe I shouldn't have built my home in such a precarious place?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:32pm |
You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...
I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.
But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...
"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."
For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:44pm |
re: #56 Adina in Judea
The right has been saying this all year.
These guys finally figured it out.
They must be geniuses.
They're taking the steps necessary to bring back their credibility.
Lost.
on.
me.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:48pm |
re: #59 Shay4l
Alllthe
peoplemen I respect the most laugh at the Stooges. The ones that don't get it scare me.
Fixed. Unless you've never met a female you respect!
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.
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LEGION Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:59pm |
re: #51 William
Yeah, heard this on Rush or Levin-- the media is trying to cover their butts for their complicity in getting this fraud elected.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:51:02pm |
re: #65 Shay4l
Now I'm scaring myself. I meant the Marx Bros.
I was going to say that I've met some dumb people in my life, but none so dumb that they didn't get the Three Stooges. That would be a special kind of stupid. ROFLOL
/full disclosure- I like the Marx Brothers, really dislike the Stooges. ;)
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:44pm |
re: #68 Rancher
Better than bride burning, another Indian past time.
yes, unfortunately those evil colonial colonialist brits destroyed their culture by putting an end to that practice.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:47pm |
re: #65 Shay4l
Now I'm scaring myself. I meant the Marx Bros.
Oddly, I felt you meant the Marx Bros, instead.
Okay. I'll get out of your head now.
You could use a maid.
Just sayin'
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AMER1CAN Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:52pm |
re: #46 DesertSage
Hmm, me thinks I know why it's been going on for 500 years. Brain damage anyone?
It makes Michael Jackson look like a responsible parent!
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:53:09pm |
re: #56 Adina in Judea
The right has been saying this all year.
These guys finally figured it out.
They must be geniuses.
Adina ... many people not just the right have been saying this ever since he got on the national scene ...we were told to STFU ...we just need to keep on his back ...don't let them think for a minute we are not watching ...
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William Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:53:30pm |
RE: Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose exchange in post #51
Brokaw moderated the 2nd McCain/Obama debate on Oct 7, 2008.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:53:35pm |
re: #75 wolfie
Fixed. Unless you've never met a female you respect!
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.
wrong
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:54:24pm |
re: #77 gop_patriot
Ah, but you don't have the Y-chromosone. That's why you dislike the Three Stooges. ;)
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Shay4l Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:54:34pm |
re: #82 Noam Sayin'
Oddly, I felt you meant the Marx Bros, instead.
Okay. I'll get out of your head now.
You could use a maid.
Just sayin'
As Neil says, a man needs a maid
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SpartanWoman Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:01pm |
re: #76 LEGION
Yeah, heard this on Rush or Levin-- the media is trying to cover their butts for their complicity in getting this fraud elected.
Too late. We know they knew the man well and just refused to report their findings. They can play CYA all they like, but I don't think it's remotely credible
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:04pm |
re: #71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Ahem... Pre-MTV, pre-Nick.
BASIC
CABLE
Noam
(Sorry, Render. I said I'd stop).
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Rancher Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:12pm |
re: #81 spidly
yes, unfortunately those evil colonial colonialist brits destroyed their culture by putting an end to that practice.
No, still goes on today.
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Avary Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:45pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:56pm |
re: #48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
The first three seasons of M*A*S*H not like that. That was classic TV. After Wayne Rogers left and was replaced by Mike Fairy, I mean Farrell, that's when the show went downhill.
Mike Farrell - a living saint!
He is such a preachy ass hole. He epitomizes the Obamaton Moralist - worse than the left's worst caricatures of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell.
The mention of his name makes me want to watch the Save Tookie protest videos over at Zombietime.
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:58pm |
re: #35 wolfie Gee whiz, wolfie, I done told you on the prior thread that it's pronounced Houghton!
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:56:22pm |
re: #72 DesertSage
Maybe I shouldn't have built my home in such a precarious place?
Yeah, that might hurt the resale, if it wasn't for the view.
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:56:33pm |
Here's the home that I really wanted to build.
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:19pm |
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:22pm |
Has anyone noticed that Free Republic has been down for something like 18 hours?
They still don't have the birth certificate, either, or MAYBE THEY DID!
/
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:52pm |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton
No doubt he is keeping files.
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Miss Molly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:58pm |
A sense of humor will be very helpful in the next 4 years.
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abolitionist Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:59pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.Gone.
Peeking into the memory hole (google cache):
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:14pm |
re: #68 Rancher
Better than bride burning, another Indian past time.
Gen. Charles Napier said:
You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:18pm |
re: #84 JacksonTn
Adina ... many people not just the right have been saying this ever since he got on the national scene ...we were told to STFU ...we just need to keep on his back ...don't let them think for a minute we are not watching ...
We don't know Obama. The MSM doesn't know Obama. Yet, this unknown man who is getting the keys to the entire U.S.A. ship has more money coming in from G-d knows where to help him decide where to steer it.
Is there any government agency powerful enough right now to object to the fact that Obama is taking in unlimited amounts of money right now without having to name the donors?
His Office of the President-Elect (entirely new to the United States of America) has the status of a non-profit organization that can take unlimited donations without being forced to name them.
How on Earth can this be going on (especially by a guy that is unknown even to his biggest supporters in the MSM who helped get him elected?)
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:48pm |
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William Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:57pm |
More Charlie Rose -- this time with Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham of Newsweek magazine, the day after Obama won the election on Nov 5th:
MEACHAM: He's very elusive, Obama, which is fascinating for a man who's written two memoirs. At Grant Park he walks out with the family, and then they go away.
ROSE: Mmm. Mmm-hmm.
MEACHAM: You know... have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage?
ROSE: Mmm.
MEACHAM: No adoring wife, no cute kid. He is the messenger.
THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this. I mean, he's such an admirable --
ROSE: Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.
THOMAS: Yes.
ROSE: What's slightly creepy about it?
THOMAS: It -- it -- it just makes me a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He's a deeply manipulative guy.
[Link: www.charlierose.com...]
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:11pm |
re: #91 Rancher
No, still goes on today.
really? Under british rule they shot anyone caught trying to do that. thought it was gone.
ah. actually read the link and it wasn't what I thought. I was thinking of:
Sati is described as a Hindu custom in India in which the widow was burnt to ashes on her dead husband's pyre. Basically the custom of Sati was believed to be a voluntary Hindu act in which the woman voluntary decides to end her life with her husband after his death. But there were many incidences in which the women were forced to commit Sati, sometimes even dragged against her wish to the lighted pyre.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:14pm |
re: #97 DesertSage
Here's the home that I really wanted to build.
At least you wouldn't have to worry about door to door salesmen. :)
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Occasional Reader Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:22pm |
re: #51 William
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
Unfricciknbelievable.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:50pm |
re: #97 DesertSage
Not much room for your little bony dog to run, though.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:03pm |
re: #75 wolfie
Fixed. Unless you've never met a female you respect!
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.
Not necessarily. I'm a female and I have an appreciation for the Stooges. Well, the Three Stooges, not the Iggy Pop Stooges. I blame it on my dad though, as he had nearly all the episodes recorded on VHS when I was a kid and we watched them all the time. I don't have much time for the post-Shemp episodes.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:05pm |
re: #75 wolfie
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.
My Dad is a total Three Stooges geek, but he has also gotten the women in his life (wife and daughters) to love 'em, too.
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:10pm |
re: #103 abolitionist
Peeking into the memory hole (google cache):
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]
Obama will create a new cabinet post - Secretary of the Memory Hole. The Department of the Memory Hole will be housed in the L'Enfant Plaza Metro Station.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:14pm |
re: #97 DesertSage
I'm going to make strawberry shortcake for dessert... could you run out and pick up some whipping cream?
OY!
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:47pm |
re: #105 Adina in Judea
We don't know Obama. The MSM doesn't know Obama. Yet, this unknown man who is getting the keys to the entire U.S.A. ship has more money coming in from G-d knows where to help him decide where to steer it.
Is there any government agency powerful enough right now to object to the fact that Obama is taking in unlimited amounts of money right now without having to name the donors?
His Office of the President-Elect (entirely new to the United States of America) has the status of a non-profit organization that can take unlimited donations without being forced to name them.
How on Earth can this be going on (especially by a guy that is unknown even to his biggest supporters in the MSM who helped get him elected?)
I don't understand why he is asking for donations ...what is he going to use the money for anyway ...something stinks again ...
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:05pm |
re: #90 Noam Sayin'
Ahem... Pre-MTV, pre-Nick.
BASIC
CABLENoam
(Sorry, Render. I said I'd stop).
So then...What was she worried about that was on BASIC CABLE?
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solomonpanting Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:38pm |
Many analysts say this financial crisis is the worst since the Great Depression. A few statistics of The Great Depression:
Between 1929 and 1932
-unemployment was 25%
-industrial production down 45%
-industrial stocks down 80%
-farm prices down 53%
-exports down 67%
-5,000 banks out of business
-GNP down 10% annually
-home building down 80%
Now I know times are tough now for many folks but let's be honest when making comparisons.
And now, back to the other Marxist humor:
I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:40pm |
re: #107 William
Obama? Manipulative? Tell me it isn't so!
/ Yet more evidence he is a protoge of Ayers.
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Max Darkside Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:46pm |
re: #103 abolitionist
Peeking into the memory hole (google cache):
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]
I've got pdf prints from the cache already, thx.
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SpartanWoman Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:59pm |
re: #117 JacksonTn
I don't understand why he is asking for donations ...what is he going to use the money for anyway ...something stinks again ...
Don't worry the press won't even be a tiny bit curious. It's all good
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victor_yugo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:18pm |
re: #93 Avary
Obama's Youth Classroom Corps is going to be so awesome. Its even got its own song. But he should call it by its proper name : Komsomol.
I know someone who used to be a middle-manager type in the Komsomol. She refuses to talk about what her life was like back then.
I shudder to think of the torment she is experiencing now.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:45pm |
re: #97 DesertSage
Too late. I already built it.
Nice, doncha think?
... for a guy who knows nothing of brick-laying, plumbing, electrical work, carpentry, or engineering.
Hey, it was my first attempt. What can I say?
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:48pm |
re: #111 wolfie
Not much room for your little bony dog to run, though.
Noam came to visit the other day, he said that there was something wrong with his brakes.
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Floral Giraffe Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:49pm |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton
Why bother? It seems his views are clearly expressed...
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:55pm |
re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Back then you wouldn't believe what you could discover on basic cable.
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:08pm |
re: #51 William
Just left a comment over there that I hope is funny and I'm SURE it's accurate!
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:08pm |
re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
So then...What was she worried about that was on BASIC CABLE?
HBO. first thing I watched when we got cable was The Omen.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:59pm |
re: #113 Adina in Judea
My Dad is a total Three Stooges geek, but he has also gotten the women in his life (wife and daughters) to love 'em, too.
Lots of cool dads out there, eh? My dad was also responsible for my love of the Marx Brothers (Duck Soup is one of the greatest movies ever) and my love of the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson.
The first song I ever heard must have been either Good Vibrations or Lydia the Tattooed-Lady!
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:04:16pm |
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:04:35pm |
re: #108 spidly
In some instances, the practice has been expanded to include burning the bride while the husband is alive and well -- thus allowing him to marry again and receive another dowry.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:12pm |
re: #124 victor_yugo
Clicked to your blog and read the "Vietnam referendum" entry. Suffice it to say, the referendum was pretty much decided going into the 90s...that the escalation opened up a Pandora's Box, and despite the honorable services of people like John McCain (and other Vet Lizards), a few big bad apples really spoiled the bunch (e.g. Da Nang, Tet Offensive, etc.)
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:19pm |
re: #104 stuiec
You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.
I actually got to use this line of reasoning against a moral equivalency kool-aid drinker a couple of years ago. We were discussing World War 2 and the moonbat made a brief speech about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the racist propaganda used against the Japanese. In turn, I brought up the Bataan Death March, the Death Railway, and other Japanese atrocities against helpless prisoners. The moonbat superciliously began to inform me that I could not fault the Japanese for this since it is just part of their culture that prisoners have shamed themselves and deserve no mercy. I responded that it was just part of our culture to fire-bomb people who do that kind of shit.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:27pm |
re: #132 foxtrotter
My parents got me hooked on Star Trek. We would turn the t.v. on with our bowls of popcorn to watch it at night. Ah the good years. I am so thankful that it went into syndication.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:34pm |
re: #107 William
More Charlie Rose -- this time with Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham of Newsweek magazine, the day after Obama won the election on Nov 5th:
MEACHAM: He's very elusive, Obama, which is fascinating for a man who's written two memoirs. At Grant Park he walks out with the family, and then they go away.ROSE: Mmm. Mmm-hmm.
MEACHAM: You know... have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage?
ROSE: Mmm.
MEACHAM: No adoring wife, no cute kid. He is the messenger.
THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this. I mean, he's such an admirable --
ROSE: Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.
THOMAS: Yes.
ROSE: What's slightly creepy about it?
THOMAS: It -- it -- it just makes me a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He's a deeply manipulative guy.
The ultra-famous fist bump scene on stage between Obama and his wife occurred because they both got on stage to celebrate some sort of primary victory (I think) and then Obama motioned Michelle to leave the stage! He made a sweeping gesture with his arm that signaled to her: "Go away!"
She fist bumped him as a way of saying goodbye.
Then he spoke all alone on the stage without her.
The MSM is only just now noticing things like this?!?!?
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:36pm |
re: #133 wolfie
You're talking about lizardettes - why would this surprise you?
;-)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:50pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:31pm |
re: #131 JacksonTn
When is Chicago trying to get the Olympics?
2016. They're going up against Rio, Madrid, and those racists in Tokyo. [;
/that don't look like no ribbon...
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:41pm |
re: #136 Shiplord Kirel
Nothing worse than some one spouting that crap, "It's part of their culture." I cringe when I hear that.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:55pm |
re: #130 spidly
HBO. first thing I watched when we got cable was The Omen.
I was about 8 or 9 when cable first went into the San Diego market. The first movie channel in this area was Channel 100. On one of the frequent free preview weekends I watch Phase IV about 5 times. Ant's still disturb me.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:11pm |
re: #117 JacksonTn
I don't understand why he is asking for donations ...what is he going to use the money for anyway ...something stinks again ...
He can collect billions this way from our enemies or anyone else on Earth for his own intentions. No one will ever know what this guy is doing.
Public officials are NOT supposed to take money from others like this.
It's against the law.
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:12pm |
re: #138 Adina in Judea
The ultra-famous fist bump scene on stage between Obama and his wife occurred because they both got on stage to celebrate some sort of primary victory (I think) and then Obama motioned Michelle to leave the stage! He made a sweeping gesture with his arm that signaled to her: "Go away!"
She fist bumped him as a way of saying goodbye.
Then he spoke all alone on the stage without her.
The MSM is only just now noticing things like this?!?!?
Adina ... if you look at the video ... he slapped her ass ...as she was turning to walk off the stage ...
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:40pm |
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:52pm |
re: #136 Shiplord Kirel
I actually got to use this line of reasoning against a moral equivalency kool-aid drinker a couple of years ago. We were discussing World War 2 and the moonbat made a brief speech about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the racist propaganda used against the Japanese. In turn, I brought up the Bataan Death March, the Death Railway, and other Japanese atrocities against helpless prisoners. The moonbat superciliously began to inform me that I could not fault the Japanese for this since it is just part of their culture that prisoners have shamed themselves and deserve no mercy. I responded that it was just part of our culture to fire-bomb people who do that kind of shit.
Wonder what your discussion mate would have said about the Japanese occupation of China and Korea. How did the people of Nanking shame themselves into deserving invasion, rape, murder and oppression?
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:58pm |
re: #141 laZardo
2016. They're going up against Rio, Madrid, and those racists in Tokyo. [;
/that don't look like no ribbon...
I can just see it now: "Gee, Rio, Madrid, and Tokyo, those are some fine, ancient, and historic cities you got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to them, wouldn't it?"
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Rancher Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:08:13pm |
re: #100 Shiplord Kirel
Didn't a Supreme Court Justice ask for the nirth certifikit?
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:08:39pm |
re: #134 stuiec
In some instances, the practice has been expanded to include burning the bride while the husband is alive and well -- thus allowing him to marry again and receive another dowry.
well we can't judge other cultures. all cultures are equal. except for our evil western culture. we do worse things everyday, like force people to go to work after a couple years on welfare, demand they pay 5 or 10 dollars for a 250 dollar prescription...
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:06pm |
re: #146 JacksonTn
They're going to be such a charming first couple, don't you think? Marvelous ambassadors for the US. Just ooze class.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:11pm |
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:15pm |
re: #97 DesertSage
Uh, Sage, where's the fuckin' driveway?!? No wonder you have to fight the mortgage company - they can't figure out a way to get an inspector or appraiser up to your house!
Kids these days!
;')
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:44pm |
re: #150 Rancher
Didn't a Supreme Court Justice ask for the nirth certifikit?
If the Supreme Court step doesn't work out, I understand Berg is planning to appeal.
;)
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:10:18pm |
re: #137 BlueCanuck
My parents got me hooked on Star Trek. We would turn the t.v. on with our bowls of popcorn to watch it at night. Ah the good years. I am so thankful that it went into syndication.
I had to wait until later to get into Star Trek as my parents didn't (and still don't) do sci-fi at all. I made up for it though! And it's funny you should mention curling up with a big bowl of popcorn. We used to do that all the time. Dark living room, big bowl of popcorn, and the Stooges or Marx Brothers on the tv.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:20pm |
re: #155 realwest
Uh, Sage, where's the fuckin' driveway?!? No wonder you have to fight the mortgage company - they can't figure out a way to get an inspector or appraiser up to your house!
Kids these days!;')
Is that the place they used for the Bond film For Your Eyes Only?
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:27pm |
re: #157 DesertSage
sigh
Yeah, unfortunately.
(did I type that out loud?)
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:44pm |
re: #149 gmsc
I can just see it now: "Gee, Rio, Madrid, and Tokyo, those are some fine, ancient, and historic cities you got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to them, wouldn't it?"
GMTA...exactly
So you are an official at dinner in Chicago with ahem..the city..
It's like the movie Godfather...
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:58pm |
re: #157 DesertSage
Has anyone ever heard of Mini-Dickmann's?
Not me. When I was in calculus class in college, these were my favorite snacks.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:19pm |
re: #146 JacksonTn
Adina ... if you look at the video ... he slapped her ass ...as she was turning to walk off the stage ...
Slapping her ass...shooting the bird at U.S. Senators...what a classy guy. /
He kissed Jill Biden full on the lips when both couples were on stage shortly after Biden was chosen as his running mate. Full on the lips!
He also seemed to kiss Hillary on the lips recently. It was hard to tell because the photo was taken from behind Hillary - but you could see his lips puckered up and he was aiming at the middle of her face.
Another photo showed Obama trying to kiss a young blonde woman at a rally. She was turning away, so he seemed to be puckering up against her cheek with his hand on her arm to hold her still.
He also tends to call women in general by the name "Sweetie."
This guy has some really inappropriate social skills at times.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:20pm |
re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
So then...What was she worried about that was on BASIC CABLE?
Maybe we had HBO as well, but you must understand. Up until that point, we had the Big Three and PBS. In Small-town America, we had heard about what kinds of movies were shown on HBO. Cable TV was looked upon as potentially exposing children to all manner of debauchery. This was nearly 30 years ago, mind you. Johnny Carson ruled the night.
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:26pm |
re: #151 spidly
well we can't judge other cultures. all cultures are equal. except for our evil western culture. we do worse things everyday, like force people to go to work after a couple years on welfare, demand they pay 5 or 10 dollars for a 250 dollar prescription...
Not to mention how we bitterly cling to the simplistic notion that those who have wealth are entitled to keep it.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:51pm |
re: #149 gmsc
"Is that a challenge?" - Tokyo Yakuza
/if all else fails, deploy the giant fighting robots!
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:53pm |
re: #158 foxtrotter
That was in the early to mid 70's. Funniest part was that William Shatner was the Spokesman for Loblaws, a grocery store chain here in Canada. So during the commercials we would see Captain Kirk with curly hair saying, "Come over to Loblaws."
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:13:22pm |
I am doing something that I don't think I have done in over 10 years, but that I used to do routinely. Formatting a diskette. And I now realize it takes forever.
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:13:23pm |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton - I think that perhaps he has waay too much time on his hands to be bothered reading LGF, or posts by commenters here, since he obviously holds us all in contempt. That was probably an automated reply. Don't take it personally.
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:13:41pm |
re: #156 gmsc
If the Supreme Court step doesn't work out, I understand Berg is planning to appeal.
;)
He'll probably try to go to the Alien overlords' governing council, since folk like him usually believe in such "hidden hands." The joke will be on him, though. He does not realize that such an appeal will deliver him straight to a certain bunker beneath the Denver Airport. Buwaaahaaa!
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:14:03pm |
re: #157 DesertSage
Has anyone ever heard of Mini-Dickmann's?
I hadn't until now. Thanks so much for that.
/poor guys
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:14:17pm |
re: #162 gmsc
Not me. When I was in calculus class in college, these were my favorite snacks.
LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:14:55pm |
re: #158 foxtrotter
I'm fortunate that my father didn't push the Three Stooges. He gave it a try, poor thing, but I escaped to another room when it came on. UGH.
He did, however, give me a lifelong love of James Bond, starting with Dr. No. LOL James Bond films showing on TV were our 'popcorn movies'. :)
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:15:20pm |
re: #126 DesertSage
I believe my exact words were, "A LITTLE MORE SALT ON THE DRIVEWAY MIGHT- OH, SHIT!"
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:15:34pm |
re: #144 CyanSnowHawk
I was about 8 or 9 when cable first went into the San Diego market. The first movie channel in this area was Channel 100. On one of the frequent free preview weekends I watch Phase IV about 5 times. Ant's still disturb me.
can't believe I've never seen that movie.
re: #158 foxtrotter
Popcorn and
6 million dollar man, Battlestar Galactica, Wonder Woman.
Later: Greatest American Hero ( if your whole family doesn't know the whole theme song you are probably a commie. )
A-team
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:15:42pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:16:17pm |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton
You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...
I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.
But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...
"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."
For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.
Uh, that's right. I had nothing to do with your email, of course. Robert seems to be on the verge of a serious paranoid meltdown. How sad.
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:16:32pm |
re: #172 BlueCanuck
LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)
Okay, I'm not getting it. :(
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:02pm |
re: #173 gop_patriot
Heh. My dad imbued the Bond in me when I was young, as well. I made it a point to go to the last two movies on the premiere day, as they actually premiered in the Philippines before the United States.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:07pm |
re: #137 BlueCanuck
My parents got me hooked on Star Trek. We would turn the t.v. on with our bowls of popcorn to watch it at night. Ah the good years. I am so thankful that it went into syndication.
I had a cousin who got me to watch it. She had been in an amateur theater group in Boston, with Leonard Nimoy.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:13pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:28pm |
re: #166 laZardo
"Is that a challenge?" - Tokyo Yakuza
/if all else fails, deploy the giant fighting robots!
That's all we need - the Italian Mafia and the Japanese Yakuza fighting.
"But Marge, that little guy still didn't move, and I think he is going to do something cool!"
-Homer Simpson
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Rancher Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:02pm |
Rustler should be at "work" now and my nic is no longer my own. Good night Lizards.
Real Rancher
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:08pm |
re: #175 spidly
can't believe I've never seen that movie.
re: #158 foxtrotter
Popcorn and
6 million dollar man, Battlestar Galactica, Wonder Woman.
Later: Greatest American Hero ( if your whole family doesn't know the whole theme song you are probably a commie. )
A-team
Interestingly enough, the song is far more famous than the show, which lasted maybe a season or two.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:12pm |
re: #167 BlueCanuck
That was in the early to mid 70's. Funniest part was that William Shatner was the Spokesman for Loblaws, a grocery store chain here in Canada. So during the commercials we would see Captain Kirk with curly hair saying, "Come over to Loblaws."
Haha, that would be surreal.
One of the things I miss from the '80s is the plethora of really poorly made local commercials that they always showed late at night when the rates were cheap. Cheap '80s graphics, lots of shouting, and the worst fashion imaginable.
/wait, wasn't that the '80s in general?
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:24pm |
re: #169 realwest
If you check his "I hate Charles" posts, you will see that he quickly updates them with information about Charles' "followers" in near real time. And the email back to Walter seems to indicate the same obsessiveness. I think he cares more about this than he (constantly) claims.
BTW - did you see my reply this AM? Had to drive a kid to band and got back and finished the reply. I have an article for you that I will try to find on line and link. Gives context to the whole demise of the Republican party in California. It was assisted suicide when it comes down to it.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:56pm |
Watching History International on the Dark Ages.
Right now, it is covering Charles Martel vs Islam.
Where's a Charles Martel when you need him?
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ConservativeAtheist Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:19:03pm |
re: #172 BlueCanuck
LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)
I'll bet your favorite hockey team is the Edmonton Eulers too.
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Dustyvet Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:19:39pm |
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:19:58pm |
re: #189 Kosh's Shadow
Watching History International on the Dark Ages.
Right now, it is covering Charles Martel vs Islam.
Where's a Charles Martel when you need him?
Partying with Jefferson.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:20:11pm |
re: #181 laZardo
I like the new James Bond, he's just the right mix of hottie and violent, kick-ass secret agent. LOL
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:20:22pm |
re: #172 BlueCanuck
LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)
Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:16pm |
re: #187 foxtrotter
Haha, that would be surreal.
One of the things I miss from the '80s is the plethora of really poorly made local commercials that they always showed late at night when the rates were cheap. Cheap '80s graphics, lots of shouting, and the worst fashion imaginable.
/wait, wasn't that the '80s in general?
You know what I miss about the 80s? The music.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:18pm |
re: #173 gop_patriot
I'm fortunate that my father didn't push the Three Stooges. He gave it a try, poor thing, but I escaped to another room when it came on. UGH.
He did, however, give me a lifelong love of James Bond, starting with Dr. No. LOL James Bond films showing on TV were our 'popcorn movies'. :)
Now James Bond, that is a guy thing. :)
Just kidding, though I only like the Connery ones.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:42pm |
re: #180 DesertSage
Okay, I'm not getting it. :(
Both invented Calculus at the same time. Liebenz cookies, and Newton cookies.
/history and science geek here.
//Newton made it his life long mission to destroy Liebenz.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:45pm |
re: #180 DesertSage
Okay, I'm not getting it. :(
The two people largely responsible for developing calculus are Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz and Sir Isaac Newton.
BTW, don't let calculus scare you. Check out A Gentle Introduction To Learning Calculus for an explanation that will make you go, "Aha!"
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:06pm |
I'm serious...I can't read it! :(
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:32pm |
re: #183 CyanSnowHawk
She fought for our rights in her silky tights you know.
Weren't we all Wonder Woman for Halloween in the '80s? I had the costume and the Underoos.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:38pm |
re: #197 foxtrotter
Now James Bond, that is a guy thing. :)
Just kidding, though I only like the Connery ones.
The way they keep replacing Bonds, I'll never get to see Bond chasing Blaufeld on wheelchairs through an old age home.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:47pm |
re: #194 gop_patriot
I agree. And I haven't liked any of the others since Sean Connery.
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CyanSnowHawk Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:23:18pm |
re: #187 foxtrotter
Haha, that would be surreal.
One of the things I miss from the '80s is the plethora of really poorly made local commercials that they always showed late at night when the rates were cheap. Cheap '80s graphics, lots of shouting, and the worst fashion imaginable.
/wait, wasn't that the '80s in general?
Do you live in a major TV market? Most of those crap commercials in San Diego went away around then. I thought it was a nationwide phenomenon. Every now and then I visit the folks out in Amarillo, and get to see that some of that stuff still being made and shown in Prime Time. Their local commercials are wonders to behold sometimes.
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karmic_inquisitor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:23:27pm |
re: #178 Charles
Uh, that's right. I had nothing to do with your email, of course. Robert seems to be on the verge of a serious paranoid meltdown. How sad.
Cognitive dissonance will do that.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:23:31pm |
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:01pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:01pm |
re: #194 gop_patriot
I will admit that Quantum of Solace is the kind of Bond movie where you actually have to watch the previous one in order to really get it though.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:18pm |
re: #196 laZardo
You know what I miss about the 80s? The music.
Are you trying to wind me up? I love Rick Astley. Still. Seriously. The Stock-Aitken-Waterman catalog is highly-underated.
Okay, well maybe not under-rated, but ever-so-slightly underappreciated. :)
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:27pm |
re: #200 DesertSage
I'm serious...I can't read it! :(
HAHAHA
/if you really can't read it, squint. lol
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:28pm |
The spirit of Charles Martel and his victory at Lourdes is alive in Iraq and Afghanistan. The American people should be proud of their children who serve as the tip of the spear in preserving liberty all around the world.
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talon_262 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:35pm |
re: #178 Charles
Uh, that's right. I had nothing to do with your email, of course. Robert seems to be on the verge of a serious paranoid meltdown. How sad.
Spencer should be paranoid...he's associating himself with unsavory characters that are using him and others like him to gain respectability in the wider anti-jihad fight, when VB and friends would just as soon stick a dagger in their backs while smiling at them and twist it happily after their usefulness is exhausted.
/Think I'm kidding, Robert?
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:46pm |
re: #199 gmsc
BTW, don't let calculus scare you. Check out A Gentle Introduction To Learning Calculus for an explanation that will make you go, "Aha!"
I went up through Calculus III in college but I think this is neat, too!
Thanks!
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:46pm |
re: #194 gop_patriot
I like the new James Bond, he's just the right mix of hottie and violent, kick-ass secret agent. LOL
He is my favorite so far of the new ones ...but Connery still my favorite ...
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Inquisitive Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:47pm |
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:53pm |
re: #195 Kosh's Shadow
Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.
What about Choco Copernicus? It seems like a pretty standard candy, until you get to the surprise at the center.
:D
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DesertSage Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:25:23pm |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:25:28pm |
re: #194 gop_patriot
I like the new James Bond, he's just the right mix of hottie and violent, kick-ass secret agent. LOL
Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:25:58pm |
re: #200 DesertSage
I'm serious...I can't read it! :(
Follow the instructions.
It's readable if you pull both your eyes towards your ears.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:04pm |
re: #183 CyanSnowHawk
She fought for our rights in her silky tights you know.
ohh-oh-oh-hohhh yes she did.
Colonel Wilma Deering fought for our intergalactic rights in a nice pants too.
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rawmuse Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:10pm |
re: #212 talon_262
Not to mention the hundreds of fatwas. Some paranoia is justifiable, IMHO.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:14pm |
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Inquisitive Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:17pm |
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:27pm |
re: #202 Kosh's Shadow
The way they keep replacing Bonds, I'll never get to see Bond chasing Blaufeld on wheelchairs through an old age home.
I was really disappointed that they didn't go with Clive Owen after what's-his-name, the Irish guy. Clive Owen would have gotten me into the theater to see a modern Bond like nobody else could. I have heard the new guy is pretty good, but I am boycotting in protest of no Clive Owen.
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Intrepid Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:39pm |
Anybody heard from Zombie lately?
Just wondering how he/she is doing...
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:25pm |
re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.
Are you kidding me?... Roger Moore is the man!
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:26pm |
re: #197 foxtrotter
Now James Bond, that is a guy thing. :)
Just kidding, though I only like the Connery ones.
Lots of us women like James Bond. He's good-looking, exciting, and dangerous. Hubba. ;)
/I don't like chick flicks lol
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:30pm |
re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.
you've got to move past that my friend...it's over..you need closure.
/
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:35pm |
re: #227 DesertSage
Oh, you poor, poor man. ;)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:48pm |
re: #226 Intrepid
Anybody heard from Zombie lately?
Just wondering how he/she is doing...
Zombie was here a few days ago, election night.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:26pm |
re: #220 Adina in Judea
Follow the instructions.
It's readable if you pull both your eyes towards your ears.
ow ow ow. I keep scratching my corneas.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:31pm |
re: #213 karmic_inquisitor
LOL - squint. It is a funny message.
I found when I leaned back, and stopped looking directly at it, I could read it fine.
I guess my eyes are fine, as they should be.
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:42pm |
re: #188 karmic_inquisitor
Gee, no I didn't see your post to me.
Hey, my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail it to me!
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:48pm |
re: #204 CyanSnowHawk
Do you live in a major TV market? Most of those crap commercials in San Diego went away around then. I thought it was a nationwide phenomenon. Every now and then I visit the folks out in Amarillo, and get to see that some of that stuff still being made and shown in Prime Time. Their local commercials are wonders to behold sometimes.
Shoot, even in major TV markets, you can find them. We have oodles of those type of commercials in Chicago during the late night hours. Granted, most of them are on the second tier stations or the cable only stations, but they're still there.
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:54pm |
re: #226 Intrepid
Taking a well-deserved break, I imagine.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:28pm |
re: #217 gmsc
What about Choco Copernicus? It seems like a pretty standard candy, until you get to the surprise at the center.
:D
They're a bit too hot for me.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:31pm |
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:43pm |
re: #239 Noam Sayin'
Which leads me to believe Charles has perfected some kind of cloning process.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:46pm |
re: #204 CyanSnowHawk
Do you live in a major TV market? Most of those crap commercials in San Diego went away around then. I thought it was a nationwide phenomenon. Every now and then I visit the folks out in Amarillo, and get to see that some of that stuff still being made and shown in Prime Time. Their local commercials are wonders to behold sometimes.
I am just outside Lansing MI and grew up between Lansing and Flint. I haven't seen those cheesy commercials since the early '90s at the latest. Well, we do have a local car dealer who wears a cowboy hat and screams at us while riding a horse (and plugging his riding stables) but that's about it. It doesn't surprise me that cheesy '80s-style ads are still made, I'm just disappointed we don't get them around here anymore.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:48pm |
re: #228 Rancher
Or an El Cid?
Real Rancher
Go to Iraq or Afghanistan, you will see people with his spirit and determination pushing back the bearded fools who shoot women in the back of the head because they refuse to wear a burqa.
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:30:05pm |
I saw this on a site tonight ... there was legislation some time back ...to make it so you only had to pay for cable channels you actually wanted ...it failed ... I want them to bring that back up for a vote ...I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ...
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:30:14pm |
re: #208 laZardo
I will admit that Quantum of Solace is the kind of Bond movie where you actually have to watch the previous one in order to really get it though.
I like the idea of continuing storyline from one film to the other. Interesting!
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Maximu§ Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:37pm |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
you've got to move past that my friend...it's over..you need closure.
/
The new James Bond movie trailer looked great.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:41pm |
re: #245 JacksonTn
I saw this on a site tonight ... there was legislation some time back ...to make it so you only had to pay for cable channels you actually wanted ...it failed ... I want them to bring that back up for a vote ...I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ...
oxygen and lifetime. I'd pay extra to get that crap off my TV.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:42pm |
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:49pm |
re: #231 laZardo
Well then. (:
Was there ever a video for It Would Take a Strong Strong Man? That is my favorite Astley song. I remember watching that first video at Christmas 1987, everyone gathered in the living room, around the Christmas tree, presents piled up, and all eyes on MTV watching Rick Astley.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:12pm |
re: #238 Honorary Yooper
Shoot, even in major TV markets, you can find them. We have oodles of those type of commercials in Chicago during the late night hours. Granted, most of them are on the second tier stations or the cable only stations, but they're still there.
We have a car dealer who did a commercial like the Jetson's opening - he was driving his children and wife to various places, giving them money, and finally his wife took his wallet, leaving him with the money he had taken out to give her.
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:23pm |
re: #245 JacksonTn
I saw this on a site tonight ... there was legislation some time back ...to make it so you only had to pay for cable channels you actually wanted ...it failed ... I want them to bring that back up for a vote ...I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ...
I think the Cable companies would just find a way to charge the same price no matter how many channels you receive. I'm a bonified channel surfer, the only channels I can truly say that I *never* watch are religious channels and shopping channels, almost anything else I've at least peaked at lol
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Noam Sayin' Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:42pm |
re: #248 spidly
oxygen and lifetime. I'd pay extra to get that crap off my TV.
That, and ellipses.
*ducks and runs*
G'night, everyone.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:50pm |
re: #226 Intrepid
I would guess that the Undead One is taking a well-deserved vacation.
I'm not sure where the undead do that.
In a dark forest? In a cemetery?
We do not know and dare not guess.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:10pm |
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:18pm |
re: #245 JacksonTn
I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ...
Sure - we'd all like that. And it'd cost them serious $.
(how many people you got lobbying for you in DC?)
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Intrepid Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:19pm |
re: #200 DesertSage
I'm serious...I can't read it! :(
Heh - I can read it.
"NO SEX CAUSES BAD EYES".
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:26pm |
[Link: www.snopes.com...]
As long as we're on Groucho ... snopes is wrong on this one. I was a young kid (born in '42 so I was around 11 or 12) and I did see the show referred to here.
First - it was not the wife but the husband who was on the show. Groucho said "10 kids! - how do you account for that?" he said - "well, Groucho, I love my wife" Groucho said "yeah, well, I love this cigar too, but I take it out once in a while". The audience went nuts - this was live - there was no taping or 10 second delays in the early days of TV.
Off and on over a full 5 minutes the audience would snicker and then burst out in laughter - they couldn't get the show started again.
Every time Groucho would utter a sound the audience and the guests would crack up again. After 15 or so minutes we went to the station test pattern - and that was it for that show. Nothing came on till the next show was scheduled - on the next half hour.
Groucho never said "my mouth".
Any one else remember this one? Cause I sure do ... still. It was a ripper - seared into my brain.
I call BS on Snopes!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:27pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:41pm |
re: #250 foxtrotter
I should check.
Rick Astley actually had a concert in Manila last August 1...I would have loved to get tickets. And then subsequently Manila-Roll'd.
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Promethea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:34:30pm |
re: #153 Killer Tomato
They're going to be such a charming first couple, don't you think? Marvelous ambassadors for the US. Just ooze class.
But they're so cool!
/
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Killian Bundy Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:34:54pm |
Obama Positioned to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions
Transition advisers to President-elect Barack Obama have compiled a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse White House policies on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues, according to congressional Democrats, campaign aides and experts working with the transition team.
I wonder what the other 197 are?
/grab your hand basket, Obama's taking us for a joyride
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Semi Cartman Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:12pm |
re: #145 Adina in Judea
Didn't clinton spend eight years doing this kind of shit? More of the same.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:13pm |
re: #230 gop_patriot
Lots of us women like James Bond. He's good-looking, exciting, and dangerous. Hubba. ;)
/I don't like chick flicks lol
Oh, I'm with you there. Chick flicks and chick lit are enough to make me gag. I wanted to scream when they tried to sell us that new version of The Women. The original is a catty classic, a remake was pointless and opportunistic. Of course, I think it was Diane English doing it so I'm not surprised, but I hate being told what I should enjoy just because I'm female. I read history books and actively avoid anything with a pink high heel on the cover. Which is hard because I work in a bookstore and we sell tons of that crap.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:14pm |
re: #250 foxtrotter
Was there ever a video for It Would Take a Strong Strong Man? That is my favorite Astley song. I remember watching that first video at Christmas 1987, everyone gathered in the living room, around the Christmas tree, presents piled up, and all eyes on MTV watching Rick Astley.
yack. shite. even in the day
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:41pm |
re: #255 gmsc
Actually, I had started a reply to you about your snacks, and got sidetracked... I forgot your # was still on there.
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Outrider Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:56pm |
re: #10 Max Darkside
Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.Gone.
No biggie. I copied all the web pages a couple days back. lol
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:36:37pm |
re: #250 foxtrotter
Was there ever a video for It Would Take a Strong Strong Man? That is my favorite Astley song. I remember watching that first video at Christmas 1987, everyone gathered in the living room, around the Christmas tree, presents piled up, and all eyes on MTV watching Rick Astley.
Rick Astley? Geez. Wasn't Air Supply available that night?
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:36:47pm |
re: #262 Killian Bundy
Obama Positioned to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions
I wonder what the other 197 are?/grab your hand basket, Obama's taking us for a joyride
I think this is pretty par for the course for Presidents, I'm sure Bush reversed a bunch of Clinton executive orders.
The real fun is going to be to see who Bush pardons in his last few days.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:06pm |
re: #254 wolfie
I would guess that the Undead One is taking a well-deserved vacation.
I'm not sure where the undead do that.
In a dark forest? In a cemetery?
We do not know and dare not guess.
I can't wait for news reports during the next 4 years: "President 0bama will be taking his first trip to Europe next week. The White House has not released information on whether he will travel by boat, by plane, or by parting the waters of the Atlantic Ocean and walking across."
/I'm just kidding.
//0bama wouldn't have to part the waters to walk across the Atlantic Ocean
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solomonpanting Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:15pm |
re: #51 William
ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don't either.
Paging Chancey Gardener Rasputin.
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:27pm |
re: #256 Killer Tomato
Sure - we'd all like that. And it'd cost them serious $.
(how many people you got lobbying for you in DC?)
Zero lobbying for me ...(sorry Noam) ...but maybe talk radio might push for it ...I would like to take all news channels off my list ...
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:27pm |
re: #249 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
re: #232 HoosierHoops
The box office tells the truth. Adjusted for inflation, Sean Connery in James Bond films made over 700 times MORE than what all the other actors playing Bond did together.
I watched only one james bond movie..When we and my friend were 16 we kept trying to sneak into see some over x rated movie..
We failed like 10 times in a row..upon not sneaking in, we would watch diamonds are forever.
I've never seen a james bond movie since.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:48pm |
re: #225 foxtrotter
I was really disappointed that they didn't go with Clive Owen after what's-his-name, the Irish guy. Clive Owen would have gotten me into the theater to see a modern Bond like nobody else could. I have heard the new guy is pretty good, but I am boycotting in protest of no Clive Owen.
I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:38:43pm |
re: #254 wolfie
I would guess that the Undead One is taking a well-deserved vacation.
I'm not sure where the undead do that.
In a dark forest? In a cemetery?
We do not know and dare not guess.
Well let's just surmise that zombie has gone to ground for now. ;)
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:38:56pm |
re: #268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Rick Astley? Geez. Wasn't Air Supply available that night?
Air Supply was more of an early '80s thing. Sorry.
/yeah, I love Air Supply too.
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Clemente Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:19pm |
re: #195 Kosh's Shadow
Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.
And the timely Fig Hawkings.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:48pm |
re: #270 gmsc
I'm glad you made that correction.
I wouldn't want to have to report you to the proper authorities!
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:51pm |
re: #272 JacksonTn
Talk radio? They better move fast - they've only got another couple months.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:40:57pm |
re: #274 gop_patriot
I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)
Clive Owen is somewhere between Daniel Craig and Bruce Campbell. Couldn't see him as Bond after Sin City and that POS Shoot 'Em Up
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:41:25pm |
re: #265 spidly
yack. shite. even in the day
This is the coolest Christmas special of the '80s - Will Vinton's Claymation Christmas:
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:41:43pm |
re: #269 middlecon
I think this is pretty par for the course for Presidents, I'm sure Bush reversed a bunch of Clinton executive orders.
The real fun is going to be to see who Bush pardons in his last few days.
I hope to God it's the two border patrol agents in prison for shooting the Mexican drug dealer, what is their names? Campeon and Ramos?
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:41:52pm |
re: #273 HoosierHoops
I watched only one james bond movie..When we and my friend were 16 we kept trying to sneak into see some over x rated movie..
We failed like 10 times in a row..upon not sneaking in, we would watch diamonds are forever.
I've never seen a james bond movie since.
Sucks to be you my friend. You really missed a lot of cinema's best offering. Action, adventure, love, morality, stunts and good old fashioned fun.
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Racer X Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:20pm |
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:23pm |
re: #280 Killer Tomato
Talk radio? They better move fast - they've only got another couple months.
The fairness doctrine, yet another one of the ways that the Democratic congress could go overboard and cause a nice backlash in 2010.
I don't think they will have the balls to risk it.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:36pm |
re: #274 gop_patriot
I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)
Daniel Craig as Bond - Casino Royale - the first 15 minutes will sell you - absolute knock yer socks off. Yheaaa Baby!
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:55pm |
re: #281 spidly
T'was only a few weeks before Quantum of Solace that I learned that Daniel Craig was also in the first Tomb Raider movie.
/random video game nerd moment 8B
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victor_yugo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:56pm |
re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.
Sean Connery is also a self-admitted misogynist who thinks it's a man's privilege to beat his wife. For that, he will never get a single penny from me, not even through watching his movies on cable.
He can reverse this when he admits, publicly, that women are people, not property, and his chauvinistic views are wrong.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:58pm |
re: #269 middlecon
The real fun is going to be to see who Bush pardons in his last few days.
Can he pardon the whole country so we can have an election do-over?
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:04pm |
re: #274 gop_patriot
I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)
I didn't mind Daniel Craig in the few things I've seen him in so I guess I should probably get over it and give him a shot. How are the Bond girls though? The girls they seem to pick these days are pretty boring and generic.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:04pm |
re: #277 Clemente
And the timely Fig Hawkings.
As long as we're mentioning Newton, Einstein, and Hawking (no s), why not check out their famous poker game?
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:07pm |
re: #178 Charles
Charles - I don't understand this. Does Mr. Spencer still have the ability to post out here, and if so, why did he not reply directly to Walter on that thread?
Of course, the way Mr. Spencer has been conducting himself lately, with the lame "...have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." I'd certainly understand why you don't let him post out here, I just don't understand his comment - is he really saying what he appears to be saying, that is he's not interested in the Nazi's but applauds their efforts to fight ecomomic problems, but anything else the nazi's do, his endorsement is not necessarily implied?! Didn't that use to try to pass muster under the old rubrick of plausible deniability?
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:51pm |
re: #276 foxtrotter
Air Supply was more of an early '80s thing. Sorry.
/yeah, I love Air Supply too.
I hope you're a female.
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victor_yugo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:05pm |
re: #286 middlecon
The fairness doctrine, yet another one of the ways that the Democratic congress could go overboard and cause a nice backlash in 2010.
I don't think they will have the balls to risk it.
I'm ready to bet money that we have a Republican-majority Congress in 2011.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:32pm |
re: #295 realwest
The Nazi comparison was an analogy made about what Mr. Spencer really said.
It wasn't what Mr. Spencer actually wrote.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:40pm |
re: #288 slokat
They called it the "Alt Roll," since I would otherwise be DOING IT WRONG.
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Neo Con since 9-11 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:47pm |
re: #226 Intrepid
Anybody heard from Zombie lately?
Just wondering how he/she is doing...
Well about a hundred thousand dead voted up in Cleveland so I guess zombie is shambling around the "mistake on the lake" searching for brains to eat.
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:11pm |
re: #284 shanec99
Sucks to be you my friend. You really missed a lot of cinema's best offering. Action, adventure, love, morality, stunts and good old fashioned fun.
The closest I got was austin powers..the spy that shagged me..funny stuff..
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:25pm |
re: #298 Adina in Judea
Correction:
The Nazi statement was an analogy made about what Mr. Spencer really wrote.
It wasn't what Mr. Spencer actually wrote.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:45pm |
re: #265 spidly
yack. shite. even in the day
Ugh. My "favorite" line from that song was always Bono's "well tonight thank god it's them, instead of you!" Huh? I mean, yeah, I was glad I wasn't dying of starvation in Africa, but it always seemed like such a weird line for a song like that. I suppose it was there to make us all feel guilty enough to buy the single and "do our part."
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capitalist piglet Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:52pm |
re: #276 foxtrotter
Air Supply was more of an early '80s thing. Sorry.
/yeah, I love Air Supply too.
It is better to have loved and lost than to have to listen to "Lost In Love" by Air Supply.
/tune nazi
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:46:01pm |
Someone could check Zombie's blog to see if he's active. I don't know theURL.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:46:45pm |
Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.
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Max Darkside Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:46:57pm |
re: #267 Outrider
No biggie. I copied all the web pages a couple days back. lol
It is fine to have copies, if you can put them to good use. I'm concerned that his entire agenda disappeared in a blink. This isn't some candidate, it's the POTUS-elect and as such, each word must be carefully thought out before making it public. You DO NOT / MUST NOT just put up an agenda for the world to see, then pull it down, replacing it with essentially nothing. This is no longer time for jokes, "oopsie!", etc.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:47:01pm |
re: #264 foxtrotter
You work in a bookstore? Awesome, one of my favorite places to be. :) I have to admit though, I have an 11 year old daughter and some of her (slightly older) friends have been reading Twilight. So I read it to check it out.
And finished the whole series in a week because I had to know how the story ended...
It's not very well written, but then it was written for teens, from a teenager's point of view, in 1st person. Not exactly a formula for great literature. LOL The Twilight series is absolutely the closest I've ever come to reading a romance story. X)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:47:08pm |
re: #291 victor_yugo
How about a link proving that?
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:02pm |
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:37pm |
re: #278 gop_patriot
That is hilarious!
And it really happened. More subtle than Snopes puts it ... Grouch was a master. My Grandma and he were friends from Vaudeville times.
Yeah - my G'ma was a V'ville honey who played in Peoria. Till she met Granddad.
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:55pm |
re: #306 Moe Katz
Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.
LOL
don't you hate it when you get a song stuck in your head and you just hate it?
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:49:13pm |
re: #301 HoosierHoops
The closest I got was austin powers..the spy that shagged me..funny stuff..
Good lord... please don't compare the two... Comparing Austin Powers to James Bond is like comparing the some gifted NY subway graffiti artist's rendition to the Mona Lisa.
There would be no comparison expect that pigments were placed on a surface for the public to see.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:49:29pm |
re: #281 spidly
Clive Owen is somewhere between Daniel Craig and Bruce Campbell. Couldn't see him as Bond after Sin City and that POS Shoot 'Em Up
LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:17pm |
re: #306 Moe Katz
Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.
I like that song. Reminds me of my drunk and stupid daze, when I didn't care or have a worry in the world.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:18pm |
re: #297 victor_yugo
I'm ready to bet money that we have a Republican-majority Congress in 2011.
Not a chance.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:34pm |
Thrilling news from Israel about Hamas. Moonbats must be going out of their minds with thoughts of peace and kittens all over the universe:
Clare Short, who served in the cabinet of former British prime minister Tony Blair, asked Haniyeh to repeat his offer. He said the Hamas government had agreed to accept a Palestinian state that followed the 1967 borders and to offer Israel a long-term hudna, or truce, if Israel recognized the Palestinians' national rights.
No peace, but an entire CEASE FIRE in exchange for Israel moving half a million Jews while also allowing millions of Arabs to flood into Israel!
Wow!
/sarc
Haniyeh: Hamas willing to accept Palestinian state with 1967 borders
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:43pm |
re: #317 gop_patriot
LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)
The movie is "Evil Dead", or "Evil Dead 2", or "Army of Darkness". Check him out in "Bubbahotep". Hilarious movie.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:43pm |
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Karridine Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:49pm |
re: #258 Bobibutu
I saw it around 1972-74?, when it was rerun as part of a retrospective on Groucho.
I concur yr observation, "...but I take it out..."
/and I really enjoyed the one-man revue on Broadway by 'Meathead'... VERY poignant when we weren't laughing ourselves silly at 'Grouchos' antics...
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:51:18pm |
re: #296 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I hope you're a female.
Uh, yeah. I only know one guy who is willing to admit he likes Air Supply and, while he isn't gay, he is totally clueless. There are certain bands and songs that you really can't admit you like if you're a guy and have any interest in getting girls. Air Supply is one of those bands. Oh, and Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of those songs.
/Though I wonder about some of these young guys these days.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:51:24pm |
re: #315 HoosierHoops
LOL
don't you hate it when you get a song stuck in your head and you just hate it?
NOTHING more infuriating!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:51:57pm |
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Palandine Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:10pm |
re: #317 gop_patriot
LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)
Evil Dead II and Army of Darkness
/groovy
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:14pm |
re: #319 wolfie
Not a chance.
I don't see why not, if there is a coherent message and a repeat of 1994 its VERY possible. We are talking about a Congress with even lower approval ratings than President Bush.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:18pm |
re: #293 foxtrotter
I didn't mind Daniel Craig in the few things I've seen him in so I guess I should probably get over it and give him a shot. How are the Bond girls though? The girls they seem to pick these days are pretty boring and generic.
Actually they're very pretty, interesting, and in the last movie, one was actually exceptionally smart. lol
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:24pm |
re: #258 Bobibutu
I agree with you - I saw it too - it was not a radio broadcast, it was on B&W TV and it was live. He didn't say it however, to the husband, but to Mrs. Story - I remember that so well because the other contestent was a guy and he looked SHOCKED at what Groucho had said. And as you said, it went IMMEDIATELY to a test pattern.
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:36pm |
re: #317 gop_patriot
LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)
I liked Brisco County. It was a Western with science fiction elements.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:15pm |
re: #319 wolfie
Not a chance.
The make up of the 2011 congress will depend on what happens:
1. With the economy
2. Domestic security
3. The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
If you can predict these things (all three, not one or two of them) then you will be able to predict the congress' make up.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:16pm |
re: #318 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I like that song. Reminds me of my drunk and stupid daze, when I didn't care or have a worry in the world.
Now the mist across the window hides the lines
But nothing hides the colour of the lights that shine
Electricity so fine look and dry your eyes
We so tired of all the darkness in our lives
With no more angry words to say can come alive
Get into a car and drive to the other side
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
We are young but getting old before our time
We'll leave the T.V. and the radio behind
Don't you wonder what we'll find steppin' out tonight
You can dress in pink and blue just like a child
And in a yellow taxi turn to me and smile
We'll be there in just a while if you follow me
Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:47pm |
re: #323 Karridine
I saw it around 1972-74?, when it was rerun as part of a retrospective on Groucho.
I concur yr observation, "...but I take it out..."
/and I really enjoyed the one-man revue on Broadway by 'Meathead'... VERY poignant when we weren't laughing ourselves silly at 'Grouchos' antics...
Really! What does that say about Snopes?
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:54:01pm |
re: #316 shanec99
Good lord... please don't compare the two... Comparing Austin Powers to James Bond is like comparing the some gifted NY subway graffiti artist's rendition to the Mona Lisa.
There would be no comparison expect that pigments were placed on a surface for the public to see.
LOL
i see i've gotten to you :)
So was the movie true lies the american version of 007?
Sean C or Arnold in a bar room fight?
I'd take mike myers..
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:55:59pm |
re: #321 BlueCanuck
The movie is "Evil Dead", or "Evil Dead 2", or "Army of Darkness". Check him out in "Bubbahotep". Hilarious movie.
Thanks! I'm going to put those in my queue at Netflix. The movie I saw had a castle, and he started out with a regular arm, so maybe it was the first in the series.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:09pm |
re: #332 realwest
The analogy was made in #73 by Walter L. Newton:
You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...
I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...
"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."
For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:10pm |
re: #324 foxtrotter
Uh, yeah. I only know one guy who is willing to admit he likes Air Supply and, while he isn't gay, he is totally clueless. There are certain bands and songs that you really can't admit you like if you're a guy and have any interest in getting girls. Air Supply is one of those bands. Oh, and Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of those songs.
/Though I wonder about some of these young guys these days.
Rick Astley's first song- "never gonna give you up"- I was forced to like that by my gf. You have to realize, I've been an Aerosmith fan since I was 13.
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solomonpanting Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:25pm |
277 Clemente
re: #195 Kosh's ShadowThen there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.
And the timely Fig Hawkings.
And the heavenly Fig Galileos.
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stuiec Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:31pm |
re: #306 Moe Katz
Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.
Try singing it to someone. Apparently that has been shown to work.
Or you can try thinking of "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" to displace the other one. (Although I might suggest the Barenaked Ladies instead -- "One Week" or "Kiss Me," or even "If I Had A Million Dollars.")
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:47pm |
re: #309 gop_patriot
You work in a bookstore? Awesome, one of my favorite places to be. :) I have to admit though, I have an 11 year old daughter and some of her (slightly older) friends have been reading Twilight. So I read it to check it out.
And finished the whole series in a week because I had to know how the story ended...
It's not very well written, but then it was written for teens, from a teenager's point of view, in 1st person. Not exactly a formula for great literature. LOL The Twilight series is absolutely the closest I've ever come to reading a romance story. X)
I tried to read Twilight one day while I was stuck at the register with nothing else to do. I agree that it is not very well written. I skimmed it for about 100 pages but I just had to give up. I work with quite a few younger girls who love that stuff so I pretty much knew the story but I just couldn't get into it. I had the same problem with Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series. Her writing style made me want to throw the book across the room after 50 pages so I had to give it up. I bet, in Twlight's case, the movie will be better than the book.
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Semi Cartman Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:51pm |
re: #286 middlecon
It looks like the mob is loose here. Every left interest wants its spoil, like a riot in a shopping center. I'll bet BO doesn't have the balls to stop them.
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Steffan Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:57:24pm |
re: #33 spidly
Maybe someone slipped him a constitution and he's realized that his primary mission is national defense and that all this social engineering stuff should really be left to individual states so their schtoopid plans will have limited impact.
what are the odds
It's possible that he had his first national security briefing and it scared the crap out of him.
I know it's not bloody likely, but I can dream...
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:57:47pm |
re: #328 middlecon
I don't see why not, if there is a coherent message and a repeat of 1994 its VERY possible. We are talking about a Congress with even lower approval ratings than President Bush.
I said the other day 1994 will look like a hiccup compared to 2010. And I stand by that.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:19pm |
re: #330 realwest
I agree with you - I saw it too - it was not a radio broadcast, it was on B&W TV and it was live. He didn't say it however, to the husband, but to Mrs. Story - I remember that so well because the other contestent was a guy and he looked SHOCKED at what Groucho had said. And as you said, it went IMMEDIATELY to a test pattern.
OK - I am recounting my brain cells - I may be confused - the test pattern may have come on immediately but they tried to get back on for 15 or so minutes.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:53pm |
re: #317 gop_patriot
LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)
Army of Darkness, of course
Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:54pm |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton
and
re: #298 Adina in Judea
Walter said in a response to Walter's e-mail
Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
so I don't see how it was an analogy.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:59:41pm |
re: #326 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
re: #328 middlecon
The Dems have a seemingly endless supply of money.
They have the MSM to hide whatever they do and spin everything else.
If something happens that they can't hide, they'll blame it on Bush.
If the GOP tries to stop them, they'll be demonized as obstructionists.
If they don't try to stop them, they'll be useless nothings.
Who caught the flak for the mortage meltdown? The Dems who created it or the ones who tried to stop it?
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:59:45pm |
re: #341 stuiec
Try singing it to someone. Apparently that has been shown to work.
Or you can try thinking of "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" to displace the other one. (Although I might suggest the Barenaked Ladies instead -- "One Week" or "Kiss Me," or even "If I Had A Million Dollars.")
I'll sing it to my wife. Good idea. I don't sing too well but I have a VERY indulgent wife.
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:00:16pm |
re: #334 Moe Katz
How can anybody dislike that song? One of the best of the '80s. ;)
/Not saying much.
(Perhaps someone would like to bring up some more socially acceptable bands/artists. I'm a huge Replacements/Paul Westerberg fan.)
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:00:42pm |
re: #343 Semi Cartman
It looks like the mob is loose here. Every left interest wants its spoil, like a riot in a shopping center. I'll bet BO doesn't have the balls to stop them.
Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine is just the type of thing to get the Republican base to the voting booth.
Not only that the actual idea is laughable and impractical, could you imagine the death of the AM radio industry if they were forced to put on Air America or soemthing like that for 3 hours a day?
There is really no defending the Fairness Doctrine, only Chuck Schumer is really for it, if he goes forward with it, its a BIG loser for the Dems.
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victor_yugo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:02pm |
re: #310 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
How about a link proving that?
As to Sean Connery's misogyny, I can't prove it with a web link, because it's something I heard him repeat on a Barbara Walters interview in the early 90's. He had said as much in an earlier interview with her, and she pressed him on it again. He hadn't changed his views. She even quoted him as saying, in so many words, that he believed "it's a man's right to beat his wife." He stated unequivocally that he hadn't changed his mind.
When I heard that, I vowed that he would get nothing from me until he renounced his medieval attitude. And if he goes to his grave with it, then I'll never again watch a Sean Connery movie.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:48pm |
re: #324 foxtrotter
Uh, yeah. I only know one guy who is willing to admit he likes Air Supply and, while he isn't gay, he is totally clueless. There are certain bands and songs that you really can't admit you like if you're a guy and have any interest in getting girls. Air Supply is one of those bands. Oh, and Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of those songs.
My Mom has some funny stories about songs that girlfriends (or entire graduating classes in High School) liked when she was a teenager.
One girl she knew loved the song "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" and her boyfriend was rather glum about it for weeks.
She knew someone whose High School graduating class chose "We Got to Get Out of This Place" as their class song. When the school didn't go for it, they chose "It's Kind of a Drag." :-)
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:49pm |
re: #347 laZardo
You know what? It's a good tune. It's his singing that irritates me, and I can imagine a more jazz/traditional pop arrangement with a real singer being quite pleasing.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:53pm |
re: #345 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I really hope y'all are right.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:02:18pm |
re: #320 Adina in Judea
That's always been a non-starter from the Israeli side. The 1967 borders are indefensible and, besides, a hudna isn't peace, it's a truck stop on the River to the Sea road.
/hopefully, Israel has no intention of further assisting in her own suicide
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:02:36pm |
re: #352 foxtrotter
How can anybody dislike that song? One of the best of the '80s. ;)
/Not saying much.
(Perhaps someone would like to bring up some more socially acceptable bands/artists. I'm a huge Replacements/Paul Westerberg fan.)
It actually is a good tune, with nice chord changes. His voice grates on my nerves, though.
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:00pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:02pm |
re: #342 foxtrotter
re: #309 gop_patriot
I never realized how popular it was until someone showed me a web page making fun of it. Then my little brother borrowed it just "so he could have something to talk about."
And now there's gonna be a movie out and I'm like WHAT WHEN WHY HOW THE FUCK DID IT BECOME SO POPULAR!?
/yeah. took me by surprise.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:31pm |
re: #342 foxtrotter
The first person and short sentences really drove me nuts at first. I put it down and picked it up to try reading again at least 3 times the first day. LOL But I ended up babysitting for a friend and all of our kids that night, after they were all asleep, I was sufficiently bored to keep reading. So once I was over the "ugh this is not up to my usual standard", I finished reading. ;) I do like the story, and hope the movie is good. I'm sure I'll be taking my daughter and her friends; if it's not rude or inappropriate for pre-teens.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:39pm |
re: #349 realwest
This was the analogy:
But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Mr. Spencer never actually mentioned the Nazi Party.
It was just in the analogy.
See what I mean?
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:52pm |
re: #350 wolfie
re: #328 middlecon
The Dems have a seemingly endless supply of money.
They have the MSM to hide whatever they do and spin everything else.
If something happens that they can't hide, they'll blame it on Bush.If the GOP tries to stop them, they'll be demonized as obstructionists.
If they don't try to stop them, they'll be useless nothings.Who caught the flak for the mortage meltdown? The Dems who created it or the ones who tried to stop it?
Bush just won in 2004, and Obama only got 53% in 2008, I refuse to beleive that their will never be another motivated conservative movement in the country. If Obama and congress manage to screw up like they are fully capable of, there will be plenty of people ready for a different kind of 'change'.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:53pm |
re: #348 spidly
Army of Darkness is one of those infinitely quotable movies. Blazing Saddles is another.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:04:06pm |
re: #334 Moe Katz
Now the mist across the window hides the lines
But nothing hides the colour of the lights that shine
Electricity so fine look and dry your eyesWe so tired of all the darkness in our lives
With no more angry words to say can come alive
Get into a car and drive to the other sideMe babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the lightWe are young but getting old before our time
We'll leave the T.V. and the radio behind
Don't you wonder what we'll find steppin' out tonightYou can dress in pink and blue just like a child
And in a yellow taxi turn to me and smile
We'll be there in just a while if you follow meMe babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
/Sorry, I'm taken. ; )
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:09pm |
re: #320 Adina in Judea
Thrilling news from Israel about Hamas. Moonbats must be going out of their minds with thoughts of peace and kittens all over the universe:
No peace, but an entire CEASE FIRE in exchange for Israel moving half a million Jews while also allowing millions of Arabs to flood into Israel!
Wow!
/sarc
Haniyeh: Hamas willing to accept Palestinian state with 1967 borders
That's a non-starter. Suicide for Israel.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:10pm |
re: #358 Killian Bundy
re: #320 Adina in Judea
That's always been a non-starter from the Israeli side. The 1967 borders are indefensible and, besides, a hudna isn't peace, it's a truck stop on the River to the Sea road.
/hopefully, Israel has no intention of further assisting in her own suicide
Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.
I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.
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esch Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:16pm |
re: #365 Honorary Yooper
Army of Darkness is one of those infinitely quotable movies. Blazing Saddles is another.
On my list of Greatest Lines of All Time:
"This, is my BOOMSTICK!"
I could totally see myself saying that.
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Clemente Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:36pm |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:08pm |
re: #136 Shiplord Kirel
The moonbat superciliously began to inform me that I could not fault the Japanese for this since it is just part of their culture that prisoners have shamed themselves and deserve no mercy. I responded that it was just part of our culture to fire-bomb people who do that kind of shit.
I love it.
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Clemente Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:13pm |
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victor_yugo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:34pm |
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:43pm |
re: #368 Moe Katz
That's a non-starter. Suicide for Israel.
Absolutely.
Israel won't go for it, but moonbats will go batty over it as if it's a good deal.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:44pm |
re: #354 victor_yugo
As to Sean Connery's misogyny, I can't prove it with a web link, because it's something I heard him repeat on a Barbara Walters interview in the early 90's. He had said as much in an earlier interview with her, and she pressed him on it again. He hadn't changed his views. She even quoted him as saying, in so many words, that he believed "it's a man's right to beat his wife." He stated unequivocally that he hadn't changed his mind.
When I heard that, I vowed that he would get nothing from me until he renounced his medieval attitude. And if he goes to his grave with it, then I'll never again watch a Sean Connery movie.
The guy sounds like a jerk... I bet you he is part of the Hollywood Liberal Elite.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:02pm |
re: #351 Moe Katz
I'll sing it to my wife. Good idea. I don't sing too well but I have a VERY indulgent wife.
blackwater - doobie brothers will get any song out of your head
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gman Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:05pm |
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:15pm |
re: #369 Adina in Judea
Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.
I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.
That was their position when Jimmy Carter last talked to them, wasn't it? What's changed?
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:58pm |
Just for fun, a few hilarious Muppet bloopers for everyone to enjoy!
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Syrah Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:09:05pm |
A drive by post.
A violation of the Iron Fist rule.
Too much of a good unpronounceable Spanish wine.
Thankful for the simple blessings that God gives us.
Keep perspective.
Keep a cool head.
Goodnight.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:09:54pm |
re: #361 laZardo
It's become an obsession. It's completely weird. I hear teenage girls talking about "Edward" and I know they're not talking about some guy they know from school. They drop his name like he's their personal friend. Yikes.
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:10:30pm |
re: #378 spidly
blackwater - doobie brothers will get any song out of your head
Anything by the system of the down will cure any linger 80's songs from your mind.
it's like dirty bleach
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:10:59pm |
re: #354 victor_yugo
As to Sean Connery's misogyny, I can't prove it with a web link, because it's something I heard him repeat on a Barbara Walters interview in the early 90's. He had said as much in an earlier interview with her, and she pressed him on it again. He hadn't changed his views. She even quoted him as saying, in so many words, that he believed "it's a man's right to beat his wife." He stated unequivocally that he hadn't changed his mind.
When I heard that, I vowed that he would get nothing from me until he renounced his medieval attitude. And if he goes to his grave with it, then I'll never again watch a Sean Connery movie.
Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.
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BakaRanger Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:21pm |
re: #145 Adina in Judea
He can collect billions this way from our enemies or anyone else on Earth for his own intentions. No one will ever know what this guy is doing.
Public officials are NOT supposed to take money from others like this.
It's against the law.
/ No controlling legal authority.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:28pm |
re: #378 spidly
blackwater - doobie brothers will get any song out of your head
Well, crap. Now that song is stuck in my head.
/heading to iTunes, need some A7x
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:33pm |
re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.
I tend to take anything Bawa Wawa says with a grain of salt. She's always been a little off-kilter. She desperately needed more time with Stossel on the air to get her some sanity.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:45pm |
re: #381 gmsc
Just for fun, a few hilarious Muppet bloopers for everyone to enjoy!
Oh no you don't. I have used that same video for my friends. After they beat up on me the next time we met up. . . .
/yes they admitted that it was really well done. still didn't forgive me though.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:51pm |
re: #380 Moe Katz
re: #369 Adina in Judea
Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.
That was their position when Jimmy Carter last talked to them, wasn't it? What's changed?
Moonbats will probably see it as a breakthrough that Hamas is talking about accepting a "Palestinian" state at all. They will gloss over the part about how Hamas isn't saying that there would be peace.
Ha'aretz has this as their lead story right now and they're not talking about it as if it's a ridiculous offer. They're not claiming it's a breakthrough either, but the headline sounds kind of breakthrough-ish (if you know what I mean.)
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Sprite Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:13:00pm |
Completely off topic, I'm sure. But I am grieving. I am losing not only family members but also very close, old friends with this election. Unfortunately, most of my family are moonbats. Here is the last of the email exchanges today with my moonbat, Ph.d. (in health care), sister. Mine to her:
One more thing. I am truly sick of lefties like you who immediately name call and suggest you think I'm/we're (conservatives) nuts for pointing out Facts and Reality about which you are clearly unaware! I didn't make up all the news reports. I am not responsible for his heinous, multiple connections to terrorists and their supporters. And I cannot help it that you've chosen not to investigate on your own, as I have.
You can choose to wear rose colored glasses or not. I prefer facts.
My heart weeps for you. And I pray you will begin some extensive reading on 'Dear Leader'. Soon! I've given you plenty of places to start. Actually, I gave several a long time ago when you and Jon forwarded the silky tongue's speech. Obviously you didn't. But I can always "hope" for "change".
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:13:14pm |
re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.
See #367 above
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Killian Bundy Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:14:21pm |
re: #369 Adina in Judea
Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.
I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.
Well, you've probably already read a lot of what I had to say on the subject, so I won't bore you. The "moonbats" are going to double down on the pressure.
/no matter what they say in public, you have no friends in power here for the next four years, they've effectively switched sides, you're pretty much on your own and your neighboring enemies know it
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:15:56pm |
re: #330 realwest
I agree with you - I saw it too - it was not a radio broadcast, it was on B&W TV and it was live. He didn't say it however, to the husband, but to Mrs. Story - I remember that so well because the other contestent was a guy and he looked SHOCKED at what Groucho had said. And as you said, it went IMMEDIATELY to a test pattern.
Now, you have me doubting my self!
You as an attorney and me as an attorneys son and grandson - memory in legal cases is open for all sorts of challenges.
[Link: books.google.com...]
I know there was a guy and gal on stage but my memory says the guy spoke it.
I'm willing to be wrong - but the point is that it happened and Snopes is wrong.
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Steffan Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:15:57pm |
re: #328 middlecon
I don't see why not, if there is a coherent message and a repeat of 1994 its VERY possible. We are talking about a Congress with even lower approval ratings than President Bush.
RCP Average 10/23 - 11/02 positive: 17.3 negative: 74.0
point spread: -56.7
I mean, jeez. The NYT has higher approval ratings.
Incidentally, the numbers for President Bush:
RCP Average 10/30 - 11/02 positive: 27.8 negative: 68.3
point spread: -40.5
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Pawn of the Oppressor Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:18pm |
re: #153 Killer Tomato
They're going to be such a charming first couple, don't you think? Marvelous ambassadors for the US. Just ooze class.
Caustic, sarcastic response: But they're so cool!
Corrolary to caustic response: If we're going to have a "cool" non-white person up there, why not the mocha-colored girl with big poofy hair who sells everything from clothes at Target, to ipods? She'd be a great President. Think of how much fun the UN would be! And how could the Russians or the Iranians say no to a hip dancing girl in a sweatsuit? She'd give everybody ipods and then Ahmedinejad would start dancing around and it would be like one big coke commercial. Who needs Obama's "tough times and hard work ahead of us"?
Further along that line of thought: Why not just skip the marketing and go straight for direct consumer stimulus? Instead of silly old "refundable tax cuts", why not hand out coupons and gift certificates? Like instead of a $500 Demogrant, they send you a $200 Best Buy gift card and a coupon for a free meal at Sonic if you test drive a GM automobile. Think that might piss off the Obamatons just a little? "Where's my free money!"
I should be on the Obama Cabinet as Secretary for Dumb Ideas. I can't be any worse than the guys he has now.
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:26pm |
re: #393 Killian Bundy
Well, you've probably already read a lot of what I had to say on the subject, so I won't bore you. The "moonbats" are going to double down on the pressure.
/no matter what they say in public, you have no friends in power here for the next four years, they've effectively switched sides, you're pretty much on your own and your neighboring enemies know it
speaking of moonbats..prior to tuesday you were a moonbat..
Now they are mainstream...
/
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foxtrotter Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:26pm |
re: #362 gop_patriot
The first person and short sentences really drove me nuts at first. I put it down and picked it up to try reading again at least 3 times the first day. LOL But I ended up babysitting for a friend and all of our kids that night, after they were all asleep, I was sufficiently bored to keep reading. So once I was over the "ugh this is not up to my usual standard", I finished reading. ;) I do like the story, and hope the movie is good. I'm sure I'll be taking my daughter and her friends; if it's not rude or inappropriate for pre-teens.
Did you read book 4? I didn't read it myself, but I think quite a few people were floored by where she went with the story. I won't spoil it, but there were quite a few complaints.
One of the positives I can see from the books is a resurgence in the use of the name Edward. Excellent name and I am willing to accept lots of little Edwards running around in exchange for having to sell more copies of the Twilight series. (Though I prefer Edmund as a similar name, personally.)
If you like Vampire stories and don't mind some violence/goriness, I recommend the first 6 books of Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series. After book 6 she goes into territory best left unexplored, but the first 6 books are kick ass action with a tough gun-toting vampire hunter. Definitely adult, but good solid horror.
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JacksonTn Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:43pm |
re: #391 Sprite
Completely off topic, I'm sure. But I am grieving. I am losing not only family members but also very close, old friends with this election. Unfortunately, most of my family are moonbats. Here is the last of the email exchanges today with my moonbat, Ph.d. (in health care), sister. Mine to her:
Sprite ..so sorry ..it has happened so much during this election ..I hope it will pass ..family is so important ..
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pbird Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:17:48pm |
re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.
I am positive that he was pulling her chain just for the hell of it.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:18:10pm |
re: #390 Adina in Judea
Moonbats will probably see it as a breakthrough that Hamas is talking about accepting a "Palestinian" state at all. They will gloss over the part about how Hamas isn't saying that there would be peace.
Ha'aretz has this as their lead story right now and they're not talking about it as if it's a ridiculous offer. They're not claiming it's a breakthrough either, but the headline sounds kind of breakthrough-ish (if you know what I mean.)
Nothing surprises me from Al-Aretz.
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:19:15pm |
re: #338 Adina in Judea
Ah, wait a minute, Walter's exact quote that I was referring to was "Here was his reply to me... 'Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied.' "
What it was that Walter wrote was " asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
I obviously transposed the analogy to what Mr. Spencer said, but my "net effect" was correct: it was plausable deniability on Mr. Spencer's part to say that insofar as they are doing anything else [other than fightin jihad] my endorsement is not implied [which of course means either he doesn't endorse it or he does, but hasn't said so yet.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:19:38pm |
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:19:45pm |
re: #391 Sprite
Completely off topic, I'm sure. But I am grieving. I am losing not only family members but also very close, old friends with this election. Unfortunately, most of my family are moonbats. Here is the last of the email exchanges today with my moonbat, Ph.d. (in health care), sister.
It's sad, indeed.
I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.
They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.
Hang in there!
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:20:16pm |
Sh*t ...
Source:
UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
HIGHLIGHTS
- The Earthquake in Balochistan province has left 166
deaths and 370 injured (government confirmed figure).
- According to the initial results of McRAM (Multi-Cluster
Rapid Assessment Mechanism) survey of 36 villages in the
three earthquake affected districts of Balochistan (Ziarat,
Pishin and Harnai) Ziarat is the worst affected. Around
68,200 people were affected in the area and need
assistance. About 7,600 houses have been completely or
partially damaged.
SITUATION
1. An earthquake of magnitude 6.4 has hit Balochistan
province in south-western Pakistan on 29 October. According
to the US Geological Survey, the epicenter of the quake was
in Chiltan mountains, 80 kilometers northwest of Quetta.
The first tremor struck at 4:09 am local time (23:09 GMT)
at a depth of 10 kilometer while the second one came at
5:15 am. The affected region is the mountainous area
extending from Ziarat, about 110 KMs northeast of Quetta to
Pishin, Qilla Abdullah to Chaman (border town along Afghan
border). Provincial Disaster Management Authority (PDMA)
reports that the worst hit area falls within villages
Khanozai and Topa Achakzai in eastern Pishin district and
Wachun Kawas village in Ziarat district and possibly Harnai
district (east of Ziarat).
2. According to the initial results of McRAM (Multi-Cluster
Rapid Assessment Mechanism) survey conducted from 31
October to 3 November 2008 in 36 villages of the three most
affected districts of Balochistan, 50% of the 68,200 people
affected are children. Most urgent needs include shelter,
food, warm clothing, emergency medical care, water and
sanitation facilities. Over 32% of the affected population
need immediate shelter and about 62%of the affected
population have no food stock, and those who have will run
out of it within 2-4 weeks
Summary of Damages according to Multi Cluster Rapid
Assessment Mechanism
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The Hoopster Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:21:15pm |
re: #402 realwest
you are using dem lawyers words again realwest...
LOL
Good movie on..i can't go to bed
A beautiful mind
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:21:56pm |
re: #403 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Hey OMD!
Beats the shit outta me - I wasn't there when it was filmed. Video link thingy?
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:23:15pm |
re: #404 Adina in Judea
It's sad, indeed.
I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.
They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.
Hang in there!
How far right are you, Adina? Like the Kahanists?
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:24:49pm |
re: #404 Adina in Judea
It's sad, indeed.
I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.
They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.
Hang in there!
My step sister is one of my favorite people in the world, she is a lawyer and moonbat... so she has wierd ideas, but she is a skillfull orator who can hold her own in most arguments even if the facts are stacked high against her (Kind of like the Late Johnnie Cochran of LA).
But I love her and I would rather throw every political disagreement away than lose the kindness we have cultivated over the years.
OK she is a moonbat, and she may have voted for the "messiah", but she is my moonbat.
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:04pm |
re: #396 Pawn of the Oppressor
Don't remind me of that commercial. It's why I like Pepsi.
/also a big GTA fan...it was very scarring...
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realwest Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:09pm |
Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but my cancer meds have kicked in and I must go to sleep NOW or wake up with keyboard face, again.
I hope you all have an EXCELLENT EARLY EVENING OR EXCELLENT EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:12pm |
re: #407 Killer Tomato
Hey OMD!
Beats the shit outta me - I wasn't there when it was filmed. Video link thingy?
I don't know, but that's the first thing I noticed. It doesn't look like she's on a patio. It looks like she's in a room. And Connery is obviously outside.
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Steffan Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:25pm |
re: #384 HoosierHoops
Anything by the system of the down will cure any linger 80's songs from your mind.
it's like dirty bleach
Want some clean bleach? Try some John Philip Sousa.
Lots of .mp3 files on that site. :)
Semper Fidelis, King Cotton, Liberty Bell, El Capitan, or Stars and Stripes Forever. That'll brighten your mood.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:32pm |
re: #398 foxtrotter
I have read book 4. I liked it the best of all, it surprised me a little, but it kept my interest better than the others.
A good friend's son is named Edward; he's almost 20. People bugged her about using such an "old-fashioned" name when she chose it (family name), but I've always loved it. :)
And I've never read any other vampire books, not really my thing. I did watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer on TV. LOL Thank you for the recommendation though, I will check them out!
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:50pm |
re: #391 Sprite
My family has been torn apart by this election, too, and I'm not sure some of the wounds will heal. One of my brothers (a lifetime Democrat but a McCain supporter) and one of my sisters (an Obamabot) haven't spoken since August.
Families should not talk about politics.
(I wish I always practiced what I preach!)
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:27:19pm |
re: #415 wolfie
My family has been torn apart by this election, too, and I'm not sure some of the wounds will heal. One of my brothers (a lifetime Democrat but a McCain supporter) and one of my sisters (an Obamabot) haven't spoken since August.
Families should not talk about politics.
(I wish I always practiced what I preach!)
Families can talk about politics, but politics should never cause the cranberry sauce to grow warm or the turkey to get dry!
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:28:23pm |
re: #411 realwest
G'night, and it's still midafternoon here. (;
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middlecon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:28:39pm |
re: #415 wolfie
I try to avoid politics and religion in polite conversation, the important thing to remember is that both sides want whats best for the country, they just see different ways to get there.
Life is too short to completely not talk to people because of politics if you like them otherwise. Getting to the point to 'agree to disagree' is the best course of action.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:28:44pm |
Night realwest, sleep well and we shall see you in the morning.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:29:17pm |
re: #417 laZardo
G'night, and it's still midafternoon here. (;
I am in the Indian Ocean (close to Madagascar) where are you?
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:29:33pm |
re: #412 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Yeah - I'd say they're in two different locations. But you know as much about it as I do.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:29:38pm |
re: #415 wolfie
My family has been torn apart by this election, too, and I'm not sure some of the wounds will heal. One of my brothers (a lifetime Democrat but a McCain supporter) and one of my sisters (an Obamabot) haven't spoken since August.
Families should not talk about politics.
(I wish I always practiced what I preach!)
One of the things my G'ma taught me ... never discuss religion or politics. Nuff said.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:30:00pm |
re: #393 Killian Bundy
re: #369 Adina in Judea
Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.
Well, you've probably already read a lot of what I had to say on the subject, so I won't bore you. The "moonbats" are going to double down on the pressure.
/no matter what they say in public, you have no friends in power here for the next four years, they've effectively switched sides, you're pretty much on your own and your neighboring enemies know it
Israeli politicians refuse to admit it, though. Even those on the right.
Ehud Barak (Labor moonbat) is so tuned in to Obama's socialist/Marxist tendencies that he's telling the voters that after Obama's election, Israelis can't focus anymore on silly things like capitalism and defense. (He didn't say they were silly, but he did say that Israel has to give up on such things as capitalism and defense.)
Bibi Netanyahu (Likud) is saying nice things about Obama but he's also proposing a new sort of peace direction that may change the conversation. He's saying that Israel should work on making financial deals (or product deals of some kind) to encourage peace. He's a finance guru (with a Masters from MIT) who has really helped Israel's economy so he may be able to get some traction with this in the minds of the voters, at least.
The 'land for peace' thing is a crock, so I hope Bibi is able to get across the idea that something other than this can help.
NO ONE in the upcoming Israeli elections will risk insulting Obama.
Tzipi Livni (Kadima) did take a risk after the U.S. election by saying that Obama shouldn't speak to Ahmadinejad because it would signal weakness on Obama's part. I'll bet the rest of Kadima held their breaths to see if Obama would shoot fire out of this mouth at this.
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gmsc Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:04pm |
re: #413 Steffan
Want some clean bleach? Try some John Philip Sousa.
Lots of .mp3 files on that site. :)
I have "Stars and Stripes Forever" as my ringtone. When it rings, I bring it out, point to it, and say, "Souzaphone!"
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:21pm |
re: #418 middlecon
I try to avoid politics and religion in polite conversation, the important thing to remember is that both sides want whats best for the country, they just see different ways to get there.
Life is too short to completely not talk to people because of politics if you like them otherwise. Getting to the point to 'agree to disagree' is the best course of action.
I just yell, pass pass the turkey and hold the rhubarb pie... that generally puts things into perspective if the discussion begins to get personal or unpalatable.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:55pm |
re: #402 realwest
I obviously transposed the analogy to what Mr. Spencer said, but my "net effect" was correct: it was plausable deniability on Mr. Spencer's part to say that insofar as they are doing anything else [other than fightin jihad] my endorsement is not implied [which of course means either he doesn't endorse it or he does, but hasn't said so yet.
You're right!
I was just pointing out that Mr. Spencer didn't actually say all this about the actual Nazi Party.
Thanks!
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:32:12pm |
re: #424 gmsc
I have "Stars and Stripes Forever" as my ringtone. When it rings, I bring it out, point to it, and say, "Souzaphone!"
Groan!
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Honorary Yooper Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:32:15pm |
re: #415 wolfie
Tell me about it, reagarding families and politics. My brother, early 20s, is an Obama fan, yet not even registered to vote. Of course, he gets taken in by advertising easily. I think he likes the image right now, but the reality will hit him like a ton of bricks.
However, I dare not voice that now. Better for him to learn on his own, as usual.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:07pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:08pm |
re: #423 Adina in Judea
Pardon me for proposing a point that could stoke tempers...but I think one reason why the West Bank would be more open to "negotiation" is that they're seeing that pulling a Hamas would stifle their own area's development. That and I remember reading somewhere that at least the West Bank Palestinians are starting to notice corruption in their Authority.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:26pm |
re: #421 Killer Tomato
Yeah - I'd say they're in two different locations. But you know as much about it as I do.
I don't know, other than I hope he didn't say it, or it was taken out of context. But the way that video looks leads me to believe there was some major league editing done to it.
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Sprite Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:30pm |
Jackson Tn and Adina in Judea,
Thank you for your words of kindness and compassion. I am bereft with the losses. Unfortunately, there will be more. I am no Eeyore; I'm a realist.
And it pains me beyond belief.
Good night, Lizards Fair. May G-d Bless us all.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:49pm |
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:34:42pm |
re: #425 laZardo
Manilaaah.
I am in The Islamic Republic of the Comoros. Among the few islamic Democracies in the world.
Here multiple wives are still legal and churches can be found next to mosques.
They really celebrated Pres elect Obama's election here. In Moroni they tied a goat to a tree and painted in big red letters "OBAMA". I couldn't help but laugh.
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spidly Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:35:45pm |
re: #403 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Explain this- Why does Baba Wawa look like she's indoors, and Sean Cnnery is outside?
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astronmr20 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:35:49pm |
re: #432 laZardo
Pardon me for proposing a point that could stoke tempers...but I think one reason why the West Bank would be more open to "negotiation" is that they're seeing that pulling a Hamas would stifle their own area's development. That and I remember reading somewhere that at least the West Bank Palestinians are starting to notice corruption in their Authority.
Unfortunately, any "moderate" government that might get elected there will then literally be fed into a wood-chipper, a-la Steve Buschemi.
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:37:25pm |
re: #422 Bobibutu
One of the things my G'ma taught me ... never discuss religion or politics. Nuff said.
I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.
/rant off *whew* sorry
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:37:51pm |
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:05pm |
re: #437 Sprite
Perhaps these are lessons in forgiveness?
Lots of forgiveness, lots of pleasant memories that we cant afford to throw away, lots of sleepless nights and tears while I was serving in Saudi Arabia (Desert Shield/Desert Storm) and Iraq (2006) and lots of hugs at homecomings. How can we throw that away?
Politics be damned.
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astronmr20 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:09pm |
re: #443 gop_patriot
I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.
/rant off *whew* sorry
I have had to bite my tongue a lot lately.
It's getting to be more than i can bear.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:10pm |
re: #442 astronmr20
Unfortunately, any "moderate" government that might get elected there will then literally be fed into a wood-chipper, a-la Steve Buschemi.
Fargo! A great movie!
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Steffan Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:55pm |
re: #423 Adina in Judea
The Palis are such an economic basket case, you'd think they'd want to make any deal they could so they could eke out a decent living.
Unfortunately, trivial things like survival don't seem to be on their to-do list -- I distinctly remember that formerly thriving greenhouse that they stripped to the skeleton.
Netanyahu sounds like he might have a workable idea. I hope something positive happens, in any case. Y'all deserve some good fortune.
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astronmr20 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:40:12pm |
re: #447 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Fargo! A great movie!
Indeed.
It took watching it a 2nd time about 10 years later for me to fully "get" it, as I've spent a lot of time during that period going back and forth to Minneapolis from Charlotte for work.
The 2nd time watching, I found myself actually clapping several times at it's brilliant genius.
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Steffan Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:40:30pm |
re: #424 gmsc
I have "Stars and Stripes Forever" as my ringtone. When it rings, I bring it out, point to it, and say, "Souzaphone!"
Heh.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:41:26pm |
re: #446 astronmr20
I have had to bite my tongue a lot lately.
It's getting to be more than i can bear.
Why bite your tongue?
Tell them what you think... I do, my step sister usually responds that I am suffering PTSD from my experiences. It generally brings a laugh and then we pass the sweet potato pie.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:42:23pm |
One of my ambitions is to whistle the piccolo solo from Stars and Stripes Forever.
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astronmr20 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:42:47pm |
re: #451 shanec99
Why bite your tongue?
Tell them what you think... I do, my step sister usually responds that I am suffering PTSD from my experiences. It generally brings a laugh and then we pass the sweet potato pie.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.
Workplace.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:43:41pm |
re: #408 Moe Katz
re: #404 Adina in Judea
It's sad, indeed.I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.
They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.
Hang in there!How far right are you, Adina? Like the Kahanists?
No, I'm not a fan of the Kahanists.
I think that they're treated very unfairly at times, but I'm not a fan.
As you know, roughly 75% of the "settlers" are women and children. A handful of Kahanists make it seem as if half a million "settlers" (including the Jews outside the green line in Jerusalem) are wacky. The liberal press pumps it up as much as they can.
The press has no idea how much stress the Jews in Hevron live under. Their young guys say rude things on camera to foreign liberals who go there to stir up the "Palestinians" but they are mostly living in a very difficult situation.
As I'm sure you know, Hevron is an emotional place because Jews lived there for hundreds of years until there was a really horrible Arab massacre of mostly young people in 1929 that the British allowed to happen. Young guys had their eyes gouged out and their hands and feet cut off (and these were the ones who lived.) Those who died were hacked to death with axes.
If you recall the story, the British held the survivors without food for three days until evacuating them with all the other Jews. These were homes and schools their families had been living in for centuries. The area was lost until after the Six Day War.
I'm not a fan of the Kahanists, but I do think they are treated badly at times and that they have some legitimate reasons for being stressed out.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:44:31pm |
re: #454 Adina in Judea
Correction:
re: #408 Moe Katz
re: #404 Adina in Judea
It's sad, indeed.I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.
They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.
Hang in there!
How far right are you, Adina? Like the Kahanists?
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Steffan Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:11pm |
re: #452 Moe Katz
One of my ambitions is to whistle the piccolo solo from Stars and Stripes Forever.
I think the trill might be a little hard to reproduce.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:16pm |
re: #453 astronmr20
Workplace.
Then carry some sweet potato pie to work too... hey a good piece of warm sweet potato pie with some vanilla ice cream can work wonders even with the most disgruntled moonbat, trust me, its a mood modifier.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:25pm |
re: #449 astronmr20
Indeed.
It took watching it a 2nd time about 10 years later for me to fully "get" it, as I've spent a lot of time during that period going back and forth to Minneapolis from Charlotte for work.
The 2nd time watching, I found myself actually clapping several times at it's brilliant genius.
The brilliance of the Coen brothers, and Francis MacDormand's and Willian Macy's acting is so damn great.
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:30pm |
re: #452 Moe Katz
I've done that!
(I cheated though - I used a piccolo)
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:46:45pm |
re: #446 astronmr20
I have had to bite my tongue a lot lately.
It's getting to be more than i can bear.
(((astronmr20))) Sorry to hear it. :(
I figure that if I can put up with them being an insufferable moonbat, they can tolerate me being a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy. If they can't, if they are incapable of having a normal conversation or interacting with me in a polite manner, then why do I need them around? I might make an exception if it were my parents or sibling. Other than that, oh well.
/yes I'm a little harsh lol
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astronmr20 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:47:12pm |
re: #457 shanec99
Then carry some sweet potato pie to work too... hey a good piece of warm sweet potato pie with some vanilla ice cream can work wonders even with the most disgruntled moonbat, trust me, its a mood modifier.
I really hate sweet potatoes.
And I'm through with trying to change people's minds.
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Beller0ph1 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:47:21pm |
re: #282 gmsc
We have this on DVD! This is a Christmas classic in our house. Now if I could only find the Christmas Toy...
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:48:15pm |
re: #460 gop_patriot
(((astronmr20))) Sorry to hear it. :(
I figure that if I can put up with them being an insufferable moonbat, they can tolerate me being a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy. If they can't, if they are incapable of having a normal conversation or interacting with me in a polite manner, then why do I need them around? I might make an exception if it were my parents or sibling. Other than that, oh well.
/yes I'm a little harsh lol
Its easier to stop the flies from buzzing around if you put a few drops of honey on the counter rather than soaking it with vinegar.
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wolfie Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:48:19pm |
re: #429 Honorary Yooper
Smart of you to have the patience to let him figure it out.
If he thinks he'll get an "I told you so," he's less likely to see the light.
The big problem in my family is that my Obamabot sister and her moonbat husband can't keep their mouths shut...except when my mother is around.
Mama gets all hysterical and starts babbling in Spanish telling my sister she has stabbed her own mother in the heart and will be damned for all eternity. That it will cause poor Mama to have a stroke or heart attack. Stuff like that.
One of my brothers said, "Mama, you aren't going to convince anyone with hysterics like that." To which she replied, "Convince? What matters about the convince? I just want the shut up!"
And it works like a charm!
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:48:25pm |
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:49:49pm |
re: #408 Moe Katz
When my two "settler" siblings and I go all the way home to see our liberal parents and other liberal family members together (which we do sometimes) - we've joked that we should ask, "Ok, who in this room is an obstacle to peace?"
Then the three of us would raise our hands.
We don't do this, of course. :)
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Killer Tomato Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:51:11pm |
re: #461 astronmr20
I really hate sweet potatoes.
And I'm through with trying to change people's minds.
Bring the pie. Hit them in the face with it.
Voila! Redistribution of pie!
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:51:31pm |
re: #454 Adina in Judea
No, I'm not a fan of the Kahanists.
I think that they're treated very unfairly at times, but I'm not a fan.
As you know, roughly 75% of the "settlers" are women and children. A handful of Kahanists make it seem as if half a million "settlers" (including the Jews outside the green line in Jerusalem) are wacky. The liberal press pumps it up as much as they can.
The press has no idea how much stress the Jews in Hevron live under. Their young guys say rude things on camera to foreign liberals who go there to stir up the "Palestinians" but they are mostly living in a very difficult situation.
As I'm sure you know, Hevron is an emotional place because Jews lived there for hundreds of years until there was a really horrible Arab massacre of mostly young people in 1929 that the British allowed to happen. Young guys had their eyes gouged out and their hands and feet cut off (and these were the ones who lived.) Those who died were hacked to death with axes.
If you recall the story, the British held the survivors without food for three days until evacuating them with all the other Jews. These were homes and schools their families had been living in for centuries. The area was lost until after the Six Day War.
I'm not a fan of the Kahanists, but I do think they are treated badly at times and that they have some legitimate reasons for being stressed out.
I've actually read some stuff by Kahane and it scared the bejeebers out of me. He said he would kick all the Arabs out, not only from Yesha but from inside Israel. He said Israel shouldn't be a democracy at all but should be ruled by religious authorities. And Jews that weren't orthodox enough could be kicked out too. I also met Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel when they came to my shul back in the 90's. A scary bunch of people.
I'm center-right myself. Wish Sharon could wake up.
By the way, I'm sorry to have put you on the spot with my question. :)
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:51:57pm |
re: #456 Steffan
I think the trill might be a little hard to reproduce.
I'm working on it. It comes from the diaphragm.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:53:17pm |
re: #461 astronmr20
I really hate sweet potatoes.
And I'm through with trying to change people's minds.
You don't have to try to change their minds... the key is to be reasonable, if you can talk you can be friends. It is easier to accommodate a friend than to co-opt an enemy.
And a little warm sweet potato pie at this time of the year works wonders, please don't the stuff at Walmart... its insipid... get the stuff your granny bakes every year for Thanksgiving... the odor will make anyone smile, makes even an irrational moonbat bearable.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:53:55pm |
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laZardo Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:54:04pm |
re: #468 Moe Katz
Whatever happened to Sharon anyway? Haven't heard anything about him ever since he fell into a coma.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:54:36pm |
re: #443 gop_patriot
I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.
/rant off *whew* sorry
Good on ya - the right thing to do.
Stop it cold.
And get on with good things you all can enjoy.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:55:51pm |
re: #459 Killer Tomato
I've done that!
(I cheated though - I used a piccolo)
Chet Atkins plays it on guitar.
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:56:03pm |
re: #463 shanec99
Its easier to stop the flies from buzzing around if you put a few drops of honey on the counter rather than soaking it with vinegar.
malathion w*rks even better, but there may be some issues with that.
/white smoke
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:56:30pm |
re: #472 laZardo
Whatever happened to Sharon anyway? Haven't heard anything about him ever since he fell into a coma.
He's still comatose.
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:56:59pm |
re: #473 Bobibutu
Good on ya - the right thing to do.
Stop it cold.
And get on with good things you all can enjoy.
Just shove a turkey drumstick in his kisser... everyone will get a good laugh out of that... and then hand him some sweet potato pie, it will keep his kisser too occupied for him to chat.
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redc1c4 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:57:20pm |
re: #470 shanec99
You don't have to try to change their minds... the key is to be reasonable, if you can talk you can be friends. It is easier to accommodate a friend than to co-opt an enemy.
And a little warm sweet potato pie at this time of the year works wonders, please don't the stuff at Walmart... its insipid... get the stuff your granny bakes every year for Thanksgiving... the odor will make anyone smile, makes even an irrational moonbat bearable.
the only thing that makes a moonbat bearable is a casket.
(or a gag... %-)
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gop_patriot Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:57:37pm |
re: #463 shanec99
Its easier to stop the flies from buzzing around if you put a few drops of honey on the counter rather than soaking it with vinegar.
I do that at first. After that, the ball's in their court.
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:58:05pm |
re: #478 ploome hineni
I have also met Irv Rubin, in LA
as I remember he was a sad, solitary, fringe figure
more oaf than scary
he was murdered in a horrible way
Yes :(
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:58:22pm |
re: #475 redc1c4
malathion w*rks even better, but there may be some issues with that.
/white smoke
Yeah... but I can't very well bring malathoin to the Thanksgiving dinner can I? Well this year I will be in East Africa for Thanksgiving so ... oh well.
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Adina in Judea Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:02pm |
re: #468 Moe Katz
I've actually read some stuff by Kahane and it scared the bejeebers out of me. He said he would kick all the Arabs out, not only from Yesha but from inside Israel. He said Israel shouldn't be a democracy at all but should be ruled by religious authorities. And Jews that weren't orthodox enough could be kicked out too. I also met Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel when they came to my shul back in the 90's. A scary bunch of people.
I'm center-right myself. Wish Sharon could wake up.
By the way, I'm sorry to have put you on the spot with my question. :)
I know a guy in Israel who met Kahane and a few of his followers decades ago in Manhatten when he was just starting out. Their stance was so angry and violent appearing that it was a shock to see them like this on the Upper West Side of Manhatten.
Kahane had some good reasons to be angry and he was right about some things (about the dangers involved in the intentions of Arabs living in and near Israel) - but he and his followers do/did more harm than good, in my opinion.
They are a very small segment of the "settlers" (although they do have some fans here and there who aren't actually involved in what they do.)
Again, it's a stressful situation so some people want to yell. They get a good yell out of Kahane.
I empathize with their stress, but I'm just not a fan and I know that the vast majority of the settlers are far, far, far milder even if somewhat angry about what has been going on with terrorism, etc, all these years.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:23pm |
re: #477 shanec99
Just shove a turkey drumstick in his kisser... everyone will get a good laugh out of that... and then hand him some sweet potato pie, it will keep his kisser too occupied for him to chat.
You got it! Wish I could be the fly on the wall. Hoooah!
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Moe Katz Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:33pm |
Another Atkins version of Stars and Stripes
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astronmr20 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:46pm |
re: #482 shanec99
Yeah... but I can't very well bring malathoin to the Thanksgiving dinner can I? Well this year I will be in East Africa for Thanksgiving so ... oh well.
Whats happening in east africa?
Kenya?
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shanec99 Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:55pm |
re: #480 gop_patriot
I do that at first. After that, the ball's in their court.
All you can do is try... and after you have done your best then leave it to God.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:01:21am |
I'm neither a Leafs nor Habs fan, but I made it a point to tune in to the game tonight for Don Cherry's Coach's Corner on Hockey Night in Canada (I do not get the CBC here, but the NHL network often carries the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheaders).
I did so because this was the last Coach's Corner before 11/11, and an emotional Cherry did not disappoint.
I view this with a mix of emotions- pride and sorrow for the fallen and their loved ones and Cherry's earnestness.
But there's also a little bit of anger and bewilderment as well. How difficult would it be for a U.S. network to do something similar to this for halftime? Yet NBC, which quasi-borrowed the Hockey Night in Canada monicker for Football Night in America instead treats us to weekly unhinged rants courtesey of none other than Keith Olberman. God knows the networks can accomodate a half-hour Barack 0bama infomercial, but not a sincere, non-partisan 5 minute tribute to our Armed Forces?
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:01:32am |
re: #482 shanec99
Yeah... but I can't very well bring malathoin to the Thanksgiving dinner can I? Well this year I will be in East Africa for Thanksgiving so ... oh well.
might be handy, but i'll have to see if it w*rks on mosquitoes...
/boggles that anyone would go to Africa willingly...
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:02:01am |
re: #479 redc1c4
the only thing that makes a moonbat bearable is a casket.
(or a gag... %-)
Look a moonbat is simply an enthusiatic idealist who has never had to:
1. earn a living
2. face America's enemies on the battle field
3. deal with a mugger on the wrong side of a baretta 9mm.
You have to be patient with em.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:02:28am |
re: #452 Moe Katz
One of my ambitions is to whistle the piccolo solo from Stars and Stripes Forever.
If you're feeling ambitous, try the Maple Leaf Forever with a bagpipe.
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stuiec Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:07am |
re: #443 gop_patriot
I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.
/rant off *whew* sorry
If all else fails, just lean back, close your eyes, and think of all the "I told you so's" you'll be able to dish out come Thanksgiving 2009. (Closing your eyes is important: they'll think you're experiencing tryptophan fatigue.)
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:21am |
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:31am |
re: #488 shanec99
All you can do is try... and after you have done your best then leave it to God.
no: after you've played diplomat, go to town!
there's no sense being nice to people who aren't interested in being nice.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:54am |
re: #490 redc1c4
might be handy, but i'll have to see if it w*rks on mosquitoes...
/boggles that anyone would go to Africa willingly...
Ever heard of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Do you know that there are a lot of us over her serving in Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA). Who do you think is combatting the piracy of the coast of Somalia?
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:05:22am |
re: #491 shanec99
Look a moonbat is simply an enthusiatic idealist who has never had to:
1. earn a living
2. face America's enemies on the battle field
3. deal with a mugger on the wrong side of a baretta 9mm.You have to be patient with em.
sorry, but that's not in my j*b description...
"a conservative is a liberal who's been victim #1 on a police report."
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:05:27am |
re: #468 Moe Katz
If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.
There have been many instances of young teenage Jewish girls being gang raped at 13 or 14 years old as "revenge" for the so-called occupation. I think the Israeli police are keeping tabs on things a lot more now than they used to do because of this.
Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.
They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."
These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)
It's not a good situation.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:06:04am |
re: #495 redc1c4
no: after you've played diplomat, go to town!
there's no sense being nice to people who aren't interested in being nice.
Not with the people I love. If my step sister and I have a disagreement over politics... it is just that, a disagreement. We can disagree without being disagreeable. So I pass the sweet potato pie.
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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:06:21am |
re: #496 shanec99
Ever heard of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Do you know that there are a lot of us over her serving in Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA). Who do you think is combatting the piracy of the coast of Somalia?
YES! Keep on gittin' it on - mountains of respect to you.
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:06:46am |
re: #492 Fenway_Nation
If you're feeling ambitous, try the Maple Leaf Forever with a bagpipe.
LOL! It's possible?
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:08:36am |
re: #496 shanec99
Ever heard of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Do you know that there are a lot of us over her serving in Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA). Who do you think is combatting the piracy of the coast of Somalia?
no offense GI: i meant people traveling over there as tourists, just because they were bored...
(and i did specify "willingly"... or was the HOA on your dream sheet? %-)
/white smoke!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:09:13am |
OT: (if we can consider it on an open thread). Realities of Internet filtering/censorship in a graphic.
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:09:38am |
re: #499 Adina in Judea
If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.
It's not a good situation.
I know. And these Arabs in the Galilee won't let their areas be ceded to the Pals as part of a land swap. Much as they hate the Jews, they want to remain part of Israel and enjoy the social benefits, democracy and human rights.
/hypocrites
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astronmr20 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:10:23am |
re: #499 Adina in Judea
If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.
There have been many instances of young teenage Jewish girls being gang raped at 13 or 14 years old as "revenge" for the so-called occupation. I think the Israeli police are keeping tabs on things a lot more now than they used to do because of this.
Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.
They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."
These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)
It's not a good situation.
...and they're breeding like rabbits.
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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:11:32am |
re: #501 Bobibutu
YES! Keep on gittin' it on - mountains of respect to you.
I just wish the ROE were to your advantage.
Kick ass - take names and iris scans and git on with it.
Thank you again.
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:11:47am |
re: #493 stuiec
If all else fails, just lean back, close your eyes, and think of all the "I told you so's" you'll be able to dish out come Thanksgiving 2009. (Closing your eyes is important: they'll think you're experiencing tryptophan fatigue.)
LOL!
It's crazy, there are literally only 2 moonbats in this particular bunch, a father and college age son- and about 20 of us that are conservative Republicans. Yet they march in and begin (without any provocation other than, say, an ad or bit of news on TV) to opine on how ignorant and illiterate Geo. Bush is, or how ignorant and uneducated Republicans are, etc. They really, really believe that we are beneath them. Yet every single adult there besides them are more successful in job and personal life than these two. ::rolls eyes::
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:12:49am |
re: #504 redc1c4
no offense GI: i meant people traveling over there as tourists, just because they were bored...
(and i did specify "willingly"... or was the HOA on your dream sheet? %-)
/white smoke!
I volunteered to do this, so I am doing this willingly, I am a Sailor, a HMC. Have done the sand box as an IA (Iraq in 06) and I took this billet as a GSA.
The work we are doing in Africa is important... in some places we are building schools and helping small democracies to grow and become prosperous, in other places there is the ongoing action against piracy off Somalia's coast.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:11am |
re: #509 gop_patriot
"Well, it's not really good having a successful job if you're just going to be a selfish Scrooge at it!"
/
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:19am |
re: #505 BlueCanuck
OT: (if we can consider it on an open thread). Realities of Internet filtering/censorship in a graphic.
humorous, until you consider the Chinese experience... if they can subvert the major carriers with financial considerations to their market, how do you think the US government will do in negotiations?
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:34am |
re: #507 astronmr20
...and they're breeding like rabbits.
Don't the Haredim have an even higher birthrate? :)
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:40am |
re: #506 Moe Katz
re: #499 Adina in Judea
If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.
It's not a good situation.
I know. And these Arabs in the Galilee won't let their areas be ceded to the Pals as part of a land swap. Much as they hate the Jews, they want to remain part of Israel and enjoy the social benefits, democracy and human rights./hypocrites
Well, they're thinking that they will get dibs on Israel as a whole when the "Palestinians" finally win over Israel (G-d forbid.)
I read where one Israeli Arab leader spoke about the Arabs in Judea and Samaria and their goals. He said something like, "Well, they'll have their Palestine and we'll have ours."
Their hearts and minds are filled to bursting with images of the theft of 150 years' worth of Jewish investment, immovable property, and wealth.
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astronmr20 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:14:16am |
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gmsc Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:14:21am |
re: #512 redc1c4
humorous, until you consider the Chinese experience... if they can subvert the major carriers with financial considerations to their market, how do you think the US government will do in negotiations?
Especially with Google. What's their motto? "Don't stop being evil"?
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:14:22am |
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:15:52am |
re: #507 astronmr20
re: #499 Adina in Judea
If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.There have been many instances of young teenage Jewish girls being gang raped at 13 or 14 years old as "revenge" for the so-called occupation. I think the Israeli police are keeping tabs on things a lot more now than they used to do because of this.
Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.
They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."
These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)
It's not a good situation.
...and they're breeding like rabbits.
Religious Jews are having babies faster, though (more than the Arabs.)
Religious Jews will eventually be the majority of Jews in Israel.
Already, roughly half of the school children in Israel are religious Jewish kids.
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astronmr20 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:16:31am |
re: #519 Adina in Judea
Religious Jews are having babies faster, though (more than the Arabs.)
Religious Jews will eventually be the majority of Jews in Israel.
Already, roughly half of the school children in Israel are religious Jewish kids.
Ah.
This is good news, then (:
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wolfie Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:17:56am |
re: #509 gop_patriot
That's the way it is in my family. The moonbats insist on saying things like that. There has to be some psychological payoff for them in doing it, but I dunno.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:17:59am |
re: #514 Moe Katz
re: #507 astronmr20
...and they're breeding like rabbits.Don't the Haredim have an even higher birthrate? :)
You betcha!
Not just the Haredim!
Modern Orthodox Jews have a higher birthrate, too.
When I go to dinner at family homes for Shabbat in Israel, the most common situation I've experienced has been to sit at a table with 8 to 10 Modern Orthodox Jewish children in the family.
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:06am |
re: #500 shanec99
Not with the people I love. If my step sister and I have a disagreement over politics... it is just that, a disagreement. We can disagree without being disagreeable. So I pass the sweet potato pie.
Well you're blessed, that you and your step sis can disagree without being disagreeable. Personally, in my original post, I was referring to those people who won't allow you to disagree without them being very disagreeable. :)
Btw, thanks for your service.
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Killer Tomato Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:40am |
off to bed -
good night/morning/afternoon all!
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:43am |
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:44am |
re: #520 astronmr20
Ah.
This is good news, then (:
With a rapidly expanding population and limted land and water supply... how will they house and feed the population. My lord every day the Israeli situation gets more precarious. I pray for Israel and hope that God will continue to preserve her.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:20:37am |
re: #523 gop_patriot
Well you're blessed, that you and your step sis can disagree without being disagreeable. Personally, in my original post, I was referring to those people who won't allow you to disagree without them being very disagreeable. :)
Btw, thanks for your service.
Service to the nation has given me more blessing than I deserve. I am thankful, but I appreciate your expression of kindness.
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:21:14am |
re: #510 shanec99
I volunteered to do this, so I am doing this willingly, I am a Sailor, a HMC. Have done the sand box as an IA (Iraq in 06) and I took this billet as a GSA.
The work we are doing in Africa is important... in some places we are building schools and helping small democracies to grow and become prosperous, in other places there is the ongoing action against piracy off Somalia's coast.
then Bravo Zulu on you! some folks spend 20 years in uniform, wondering WTF they're there for, or if what they do matters (not naming names) but obviously you lucked out and what you do has benefits right up front.
the Horn is the war that no one wants to talk about as part of the wars that no one wants to talk about, but anyone who reads the SWJ knows better.
(or anyone who can read a map. %-)
just don't tell anyone about how you're getting shit done or they'll kill it...
red
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Killian Bundy Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:21:54am |
re: #499 Adina in Judea
Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.
They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."
These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)
It's not a good situation.
It's 3AM And The Prime Minister Of Israel Is Calling
/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:22:29am |
re: #521 wolfie
I know. I am afraid that this Thanksgiving, if they start, I might just shriek, "aaauuuggghhh!" and walk into another room. I know my kids would think that was hilarious. LOL
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gmsc Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:24:59am |
re: #531 Killian Bundy
It's 3AM And The Prime Minister Of Israel Is Calling
/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help
I think Israel realizes the situation quite well, as they demonstrated right after word came out that 0bama had been elected: [Link: apnews.myway.com...]
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:25:07am |
re: #527 shanec99
re: #520 astronmr20
Ah.This is good news, then (:
With a rapidly expanding population and limted land and water supply... how will they house and feed the population. My lord every day the Israeli situation gets more precarious. I pray for Israel and hope that God will continue to preserve her.
The population isn't expanding all that rapidly right now because religious Jews are a minority among Jews in Israel. The extremely high birthrate among religious Jews in Israel is going to help religious Jews become the majority of Jews someday, but it's offset overall by the slow birthrate among secular Jews. The number of Jews increases, but not rapidly.
Keep in mind that Israel's Jewish population DOUBLED almost overnight shortly after 1948 when 650,000 Jews took in over 600,000 Middle Eastern Jews from places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc., within a short time after becoming a state.
Israel managed!
Later, Israel took in over a million Jews from the former Soviet Union.
Israel managed again!
Israel can always handle having more Jews (and Israel strongly encourages as many Jews as possible to make aliyah - immigrate there - from the Diaspora as possible.)
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:25:26am |
re: #522 Adina in Judea
You betcha!
Not just the Haredim!
Modern Orthodox Jews have a higher birthrate, too.
When I go to dinner at family homes for Shabbat in Israel, the most common situation I've experienced has been to sit at a table with 8 to 10 Modern Orthodox Jewish children in the family.
I understand, too, that the Israeli Arab sector is remaining stable as a fraction of the whole population. That is very encouraging. I know Israeli Arabs that don't hate the Jews too, of course. It's many of them that want revenge, but not all by any means...
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:26:20am |
re: #531 Killian Bundy
It's 3AM And The Prime Minister Of Israel Is Calling
/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help
For that there are nukes. I see terrorism as a greater threat.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:26:57am |
re: #531 Killian Bundy
/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help
Israel knows.
There's elections coming up in Israel in February that will help put stronger leaders in place, G-d willing.
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gmsc Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:26:59am |
re: #536 Moe Katz
For that there are nukes. I see
terrorismattacks by "guys who happen to live in my neighborhood" as a greater threat.
Fixed that for you.
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wolfie Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:27:05am |
re: #532 gop_patriot
It might work though!
This election has been particularly nasty...and emotional.
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spidly Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:27:41am |
we should allow the fed to make nation wide decisions on health, education, crime, social policy, etc.. when DC is the healthiest safest best educated harmonious workers paradise in the US. not until then.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:28:54am |
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wolfie Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:30:22am |
re: #540 spidly
Which reminds me.
Aren't the Dems planning to make DC a state so they can have two senators? I thought that was on their wish list but haven't heard much about it in a while.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:30:26am |
re: #529 redc1c4
then Bravo Zulu on you! some folks spend 20 years in uniform, wondering WTF they're there for, or if what they do matters (not naming names) but obviously you lucked out and what you do has benefits right up front.
the Horn is the war that no one wants to talk about as part of the wars that no one wants to talk about, but anyone who reads the SWJ knows better.
Its hard work, but its worthwhile. Here we are working to help Africans find solutions to African problems, we are helping them to build their democracies by finding sustainable and practical solutions as partners.
We dig wells and they get water to irrigate crops and feed themselves.
We build schools and thier children especially the girls can become educated and perhaps the ignorance that has hampered that continent can be driven into the obscurity of the past.
We support democracies in the hope that the institutions that create stable societies can flourish and that extremism will be forced into obscurity.
We partner with the local militaries and hope to make them stronger and national partner for stability rather than an instrument of disorder and anarchy.
We Americans are building where we can, teaching when the opportunities present itself and fighting the extremists with any tools we have at hand.
The work we are doing may mean my daughter wont have to come to this part of the world to dodge bullets and leave her blood on the sand and in the jungle.(or anyone who can read a map. %-)
just don't tell anyone about how you're getting shit done or they'll kill it...
red
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:32:46am |
re: #534 Adina in Judea
The population isn't expanding all that rapidly right now because religious Jews are a minority among Jews in Israel. The extremely high birthrate among religious Jews in Israel is going to help religious Jews become the majority of Jews someday, but it's offset overall by the slow birthrate among secular Jews. The number of Jews increases, but not rapidly.
Keep in mind that Israel's Jewish population DOUBLED almost overnight shortly after 1948 when 650,000 Jews took in over 600,000 Middle Eastern Jews from places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc., within a short time after becoming a state.
Israel managed!
Later, Israel took in over a million Jews from the former Soviet Union.
Israel managed again!
Israel can always handle having more Jews (and Israel strongly encourages as many Jews as possible to make aliyah - immigrate there - from the Diaspora as possible.)
Are you suggesting that the ability to absorb an increasing population is limitless?
I hope you are right, but if you are wrong, may God continue to be Israel's protector.
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Sprite Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:36:00am |
re: #445 shanec99
My Dear,
I brought many guys into my home after Desert Storm...and cooked Thanksgiving dinner for them. Then they came back for more {more meals and...}...
It was sublime.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:38:06am |
re: #535 Moe Katz
I understand, too, that the Israeli Arab sector is remaining stable as a fraction of the whole population. That is very encouraging. I know Israeli Arabs that don't hate the Jews too, of course. It's many of them that want revenge, but not all by any means...
The Jews in Israel have to be cautious, though.
There have been too many instances of Arabs in Israel being hired by Jews or friendly to Jews in some way and then something snaps in their heads. Jews are killed.
It isn't all the Arabs or anything like that, but these instances (too many to name here) give many Jews in Israel some pause.
One of the most heartbreaking was the stabbing of young Jewish guys (mostly teenagers) in a religious school library by an Arab guy who had a job with the school as a driver. He was an employee of the school and he murdered (shot to death) a bunch of the kids he had been working to drive.
In another case, a woman with a famous male photographer partner had an Arab gardener who wasn't allowed to work in Jerusalem anymore (for some reason) so he kept going to her apartment to get money as handouts. I think she let him work on her garden at times, too. One day he went there and asked for Israeli money equivalent to $5000 and she said no. He stabbed her to death with one of her kitchen knives.
Another guy had a Jewish live-in girlfriend who he murdered quite brutally in Jerusalem to impress Hamas so that he could get a job with them.
These are anecdotes and they don't mean anything about any individual, but they are reasons to give Jews in Israel pause (considering everything else that has gone on.) Israel has been at war with Arabs for 120 years (going back to times before Israel became a nation.)
The fairly recent bulldozer attacks were done by Arabs who had jobs working for Jews in Jerusalem. They had Israeli identity cards. Same with the Arab guy who did the car attack against pedestrians more recently.
The war has an impact on what goes on inside the country.
There's no way to avoid taking this into consideration.
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:39:22am |
re: #541 Fenway_Nation
Yes...and to great effect (at about 4:25 in).
Huh? I heard the old Canadian anthem, "Maple Leaf Forever," not Joplin's "Maple Leaf Rag."
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spidly Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:39:34am |
wow
The public prosecutor recommends charges against companies involved in UN ‘Oil for Food’ scandal
The Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has recommended that the Justice Ministry pursue charges against Danish companies implicated in the UN ‘Oil for Food’ scandal.The decision is seen as ground breaking as the statute of limitations has expired on criminal investigations into Oil for Food violations. The DPP, however, can seek conviction for economic fraud, allowing it to confiscate any illegal profits made by the companies. Jyllands Posten newspaper has learned that the Public Prosecutor for Serious Economic Crimes has focused on 17 of the 22 firms implicated.
...Two other Danish companies - insulin producer Novo Nordisk and farm machinery producer AGCO Denmark - are among a number currently being sued by the state of Iraq, which is demanding $10 billion in compensation from the companies that were involved. (kr)
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:40:26am |
re: #544 shanec99
Are you suggesting that the ability to absorb an increasing population is limitless?
I hope you are right, but if you are wrong, may God continue to be Israel's protector.
The Jewish population in the world isn't limitless. :)
There are only 13 million of us with almost 6 million already living in Israel.
The Jewish population in Israel isn't rising all that quickly. Only the religious Jewish portion of the Jewish population is rising quickly (and the religious Jewish portion of the Jewish population is still in the minority - for now.)
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:41:08am |
re: #545 laZardo
re: #543 shanec99
I thought America wanted nothing to do with that failed state since Black Hawk Down.
/seriously, I did.
The piracy is making it America and the world's problem. We American's cannot ignore this part of the world. The population is too young, the Islamic fundamentalists will step into any region they can to expand their influence and the world is better off if we have peace.
We Americans are trying to bring peace, stability and prosperity to a part of the world that has seen too much suffering.
No one talks about President Bush's AIDS initiative in Africa.
No one talks about President Bush's Presidential Malaria Initiative where the US government is spending $1.2 billion to reduce malaria deaths by 50% in 3 years (an African child dies every 10 - 15 seconds from malaria).
The work we Americans are doing in Africa is important, and the nations we are helping appreciates it.
And the work we are doing to combat piracy is to the world's benefit.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:42:27am |
re: #551 shanec99
I can get the piracy bit, but that would really only be an offshoot of what's going on in Iraq, since a lot of shipping lanes would come dangerously close to the area.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:42:38am |
re: #546 Sprite
My Dear,
I brought many guys into my home after Desert Storm...and cooked Thanksgiving dinner for them. Then they came back for more {more meals and...}...
It was sublime.
Thank you. That was generous. Next time you see a vet let him know you appreciate it. It goes a long way everytime someone tells me thanks.
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:44:37am |
re: #547 Adina in Judea
The Jews in Israel have to be cautious, though.
There have been too many instances of Arabs in Israel being hired by Jews or friendly to Jews in some way and then something snaps in their heads. Jews are killed.
It isn't all the Arabs or anything like that, but these instances (too many to name here) give many Jews in Israel some pause.
One of the most heartbreaking was the stabbing of young Jewish guys (mostly teenagers) in a religious school library by an Arab guy who had a job with the school as a driver. He was an employee of the school and he murdered (shot to death) a bunch of the kids he had been working to drive.
In another case, a woman with a famous male photographer partner had an Arab gardener who wasn't allowed to work in Jerusalem anymore (for some reason) so he kept going to her apartment to get money as handouts. I think she let him work on her garden at times, too. One day he went there and asked for Israeli money equivalent to $5000 and she said no. He stabbed her to death with one of her kitchen knives.
Another guy had a Jewish live-in girlfriend who he murdered quite brutally in Jerusalem to impress Hamas so that he could get a job with them.
These are anecdotes and they don't mean anything about any individual, but they are reasons to give Jews in Israel pause (considering everything else that has gone on.) Israel has been at war with Arabs for 120 years (going back to times before Israel became a nation.)
The fairly recent bulldozer attacks were done by Arabs who had jobs working for Jews in Jerusalem. They had Israeli identity cards. Same with the Arab guy who did the car attack against pedestrians more recently.
The war has an impact on what goes on inside the country.
There's no way to avoid taking this into consideration.
You're right, Adina. I wish I had some answers. Any Arab can go jihad at any time, it seems. I'm afraid the election of Obama will give them more hope that the Nakba can be reversed. And I happen to agree with Jabotinsky that peace can only come when that spark of hope is extinguished. Horrible as it sounds...
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:45:36am |
re: #552 laZardo
I can get the piracy bit, but that would really only be an offshoot of what's going on in Iraq, since a lot of shipping lanes would come dangerously close to the area.
Do you remember that too of our East African Embassies were bombed... Tanzania and Kenya. Do you know that our embassy was attacked in Yemen (22 miles from Africa, across the Red Sea).
The implications of bringing peace and prosperity to this part of the world has global implications that we Americans cannot ignore.
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:45:46am |
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:46:20am |
re: #552 laZardo
I can get the piracy bit, but that would really only be an offshoot of what's going on in Iraq, since a lot of shipping lanes would come dangerously close to the area.
Actually it has nothing to do with Iraq and more to do with the fact that Somalia occupies a strategic location at the entrance to the Red Sea (and Suez Canal further up).
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spidly Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:46:30am |
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:46:42am |
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:47:36am |
re: #560 Fenway_Nation
Actually it has nothing to do with Iraq and more to do with the fact that Somalia occupies a strategic location at the entrance to the Red Sea (and Suez Canal further up).
That is a big part of it, but not the whole answer.
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:48:18am |
re: #532 gop_patriot
I know. I am afraid that this Thanksgiving, if they start, I might just shriek, "aaauuuggghhh!" and walk into another room. I know my kids would think that was hilarious. LOL
i plan on walking in, singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out...
%-)
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:49:14am |
re: #562 shanec99
You want him to have wet dreams?
I don't actually want to know about it if he does.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:49:33am |
re: #558 shanec99
I remember those including the USS Cole, but responses were relatively minimal. The only way I could see attention to those seas really increasing significantly is if the Somali pirates get really cocky and hijack a cruise liner or Navy ship, or Iran decides to muscle in, the latter more likely.
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:49:55am |
re: #551 shanec99
The piracy is making it America and the world's problem. We American's cannot ignore this part of the world. The population is too young, the Islamic fundamentalists will step into any region they can to expand their influence and the world is better off if we have peace.
We Americans are trying to bring peace, stability and prosperity to a part of the world that has seen too much suffering.
No one talks about President Bush's AIDS initiative in Africa.
No one talks about President Bush's Presidential Malaria Initiative where the US government is spending $1.2 billion to reduce malaria deaths by 50% in 3 years (an African child dies every 10 - 15 seconds from malaria).
The work we Americans are doing in Africa is important, and the nations we are helping appreciates it.
And the work we are doing to combat piracy is to the world's benefit.
and yet, for some strange reason, the MSM sees no reason to cover this...
i wonder why?
/white smoke
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:50:18am |
re: #553 shanec99
Thank you. That was generous. Next time you see a vet let him know you appreciate it. It goes a long way everytime someone tells me thanks.
I do that when I see military folks in uniform in the U.S.!
When I was on a business trip to Colorado Springs several years ago, I saw some guys in t-shirts and jeans who had military haircuts and I asked one of them, "Fort Carson?!?"
He said, "Yes, ma'am!"
I told them, "Thank you! You are our heroes!"
We all smiled at each other ear to ear.
Thanks to you, too!
P.S. In Israel, I always smile at the IDF but I don't thank them unless they're standing down (with their guns at rest and outside of a group of soldiers.) They're in the war zone when I see them, usually, so I don't want to distract them by saying anything unless they're clearly not working at the time.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:51:37am |
BTW, I wonder if littleoldlady or meannastyteen know about this?
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:52:39am |
re: #566 laZardo
I remember those including the USS Cole, but responses were relatively minimal. The only way I could see attention to those seas really increasing significantly is if the Somali pirates get really cocky and hijack a cruise liner or Navy ship, or Iran decides to muscle in, the latter more likely.
Influence my friend influence and promoting stability, doing our best to encourage prosperity and build partnerships with nations in the regions. If we have partners then our enemies may have a harder time exerting influence. Mostly though the aid we are giving these nations is just the right thing to do.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:54:42am |
re: #551 shanec99
Which is why I post the following-
General David Howell Petraeus (R-America) for President in 2012..
General David Howell Petraeus, USA (born November 7, 1952) is the 10th and current Commander, U.S. Central Command. He previously served as Commanding General, Multi-National Force - Iraq from January 26, 2007 to September 15, 2008. As Commander of MNF-I, Petraeus oversaw all coalition forces in Iraq. Petraeus assumed his current assignment on October 31, 2008.
Petraeus was the General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College—class of 1983. He subsequently earned a M.P.A. degree (1985) and a Ph.D. degree (1987) in International Relations from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. He later served as Assistant Professor of International Relations at the U.S. Military Academy and also completed a fellowship at Georgetown University. He has a BS from the U.S. Military Academy—class of 1974—from which he graduated as a distinguished cadet (top 5% of his class).
A poll recently conducted by Foreign Policy and Prospect magazines selected Petraeus as one of the world's top 100 public intellectuals. And in April of this year, the Static Line Association named Petraeus as its 2008 Man of the Year. In 2007, Time named Petraeus one of the 100 most influential leaders and revolutionaries of the year as well as one of its four runners up for Time Person of the Year. He was also named the second most influential American conservative by The Daily Telegraph as well as The Daily Telegraph's 2007 Man of the Year and "America's most respected soldier" by Der Spiegel in 2008.In 2005, Petraeus was selected as one of America's top leaders by US News and World Report. Some news reports have speculated that Petraeus may have interest in running for the presidency. Despite these accounts, Petraeus has categorically stated that he has no political ambitions.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:54:54am |
re: #573 BlueCanuck
Mainly because I can guess that the image of the Iraq vet toward my generation will become very similar to that of the Vietnam vet...not necessarily a "bad guy" but part of the "bad" things they did. The popular image of the latter is that of a PTSD-addled soul/druggie with a penchant for snapping into violence.
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Sprite Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:55:52am |
re: #553 shanec99
shanec99,
It was my pleasure...and certainly my honor...to bring those guys into my home and feed them!
I found them via a San Diego radio station in support of Desert Storm. I was sooo proud of them. And to have them in my home on Thanksgiving? Utterly perfect.
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stonemason Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:57:01am |
re: #564 redc1c4
They'll just think you're crazy and they won't take you!
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:57:33am |
re: #534 Adina in Judea
The population isn't expanding all that rapidly right now because religious Jews are a minority among Jews in Israel. The extremely high birthrate among religious Jews in Israel is going to help religious Jews become the majority of Jews someday, but it's offset overall by the slow birthrate among secular Jews. The number of Jews increases, but not rapidly.
Keep in mind that Israel's Jewish population DOUBLED almost overnight shortly after 1948 when 650,000 Jews took in over 600,000 Middle Eastern Jews from places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc., within a short time after becoming a state.
Israel managed!
Later, Israel took in over a million Jews from the former Soviet Union.
Israel managed again!
Israel can always handle having more Jews (and Israel strongly encourages as many Jews as possible to make aliyah - immigrate there - from the Diaspora as possible.)
will they take non jews, with firearms?
y'all may be the last Texas
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:06am |
re: #561 spidly
nite
Haha, way to tie everything together. :) Too bad Astley doesn't give us his plan for defeating islamofascism.
I've spent the past hour watching someone tie my favorite new series to one of my favorite songs: Life On Mars Meets Journey
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stonemason Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:12am |
okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:28am |
re: #575 laZardo
That will only become the norm if you allow it. I remember those stereotypes myself, and from time to time was a victim of them. Trouble was back then there were probably fewer people serving then ther are now. We shall see.
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:46am |
re: #564 redc1c4
i plan on walking in, singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out...
%-)
Heh. :)
Hey, do you like the band Fugazi? I subscribe to a guy on YouTube that finds all sorts of old or live performances of punk bands and he just put some new ones up.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:51am |
re: #575 laZardo
Mainly because I can guess that the image of the Iraq vet toward my generation will become very similar to that of the Vietnam vet...not necessarily a "bad guy" but part of the "bad" things they did. The popular image of the latter is that of a PTSD-addled soul/druggie with a penchant for snapping into violence.
You know my observation is this. The people who hate us the most are the people who benefit most from our sacrifices. It may have something to do with the fact that the things we are doing are things that they are too cowardly to attempt. Cowardice demonstrates itself in strange ways.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:59:05am |
re: #579 foxtrotter
Troll Islamist sites by giving Rickroll links passed off as "important jihadi videos" or messages from OBL. [=
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:59:39am |
re: #580 stonemason
okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?
I think it was an accident the first time, by commenter BeachKatie. By the way, has anyone seen her lately? I haven't noticed her around...
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:00:30am |
re: #575 laZardo
Mainly because I can guess that the image of the Iraq vet toward my generation will become very similar to that of the Vietnam vet...not necessarily a "bad guy" but part of the "bad" things they did. The popular image of the latter is that of a PTSD-addled soul/druggie with a penchant for snapping into violence.
Haar mate, I beg to differ! Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan will be remembered as the finest in the world! None better! They won the war in Iraq and will do the the same in Afghanistan, barring any socialist intervention by Barak and associates!
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stonemason Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:00:43am |
re: #585 gop_patriot
I think it was an accident the first time, by commenter BeachKatie. By the way, has anyone seen her lately? I haven't noticed her around...
Thanks, I thought that might be it, but wasn't sure.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:20am |
re: #580 stonemason
okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?
A mistake. Someone typing "sweet" forgot the "s" so it's now weet. Like someone typing "satan" forgot the t, so it's now "stan".
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:40am |
re: #583 shanec99
Believe me, I am grateful for you and your compatriots' sacrifices to help promote real peace and security. I'm just concerned (fearfully, to pick a word), that their efforts will be tossed into the dustbin of history and/or the memory hole in the near future, especially as my generation grows up.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:40am |
re: #580 stonemason
Sure, way back when. Some one by the name of beachkatie was saying good night and instead of saying "sweet dreams" said "weet dreams". Everyone made fun of it and started using it. And here's the thread with the first use of the term. :)
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:44am |
re: #574 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Seems like he may one day answer another call that requires him to continue to serve our nation.
He might make us smile.
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:51am |
re: #588 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
A mistake. Someone typing "sweet" forgot the "s" so it's now weet. Like someone typing "satan" forgot the t, so it's now "stan".
Didn't know that! Thanks for the explanation.
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Mel Lono Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:02:04am |
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:02:43am |
re: #588 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
A mistake. Someone typing "sweet" forgot the "s" so it's now weet. Like someone typing "satan" forgot the t, so it's now "stan".
It's all in good fun!
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:07am |
I get a chuckle out of the "panspermia" theory that comes up in the ID threads. To me panspermia is when you need to change the sheets.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:25am |
re: #586 LoFlyer
Maybe by you and your generation. But by the generation that succeeds you, I'm not sure if they will be remembered as fondly.
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shanec99 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:44am |
Take care guys... I am gonna enjoy at bit of the East African sunshine. Keep your chins up.
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:54am |
re: #578 redc1c4
will they take non jews, with firearms?
y'all may be the last Texas.
Sounds like this would be a big help! :)
Immigration is rescue mission for Jews, though.
Many Jews in Israel do have guns, of course.
When a terrorist starts hitting people with a bulldozer or a car, it isn't long before someone nearby puts bullets into the terrorist's head.
Seeing guns in public in Israel is a common thing (especially in some places.)
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:00am |
re: #596 Moe Katz
Reminds me of this one British comedian's joke:
"If 'every sperm is sacred,' then my bedsheets should be considered holy artifacts."
/ 8)
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:02am |
re: #580 stonemason
okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?
t as a ypo...
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:38am |
re: #600 laZardo
Reminds me of this one British comedian's joke:
"If 'every sperm is sacred,' then my bedsheets should be considered holy artifacts."
/ 8)
LOL
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:05:02am |
re: #591 shanec99
Seems like he may one day answer another call that requires him to continue to serve our nation.
He might make us smile.
I sure hope so. He'd be great...
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stonemason Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:05:39am |
I must have missed that first thread. Oh well, can't lurk 'em all.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:06:14am |
Gonna head out for a bit. Windowshopping to check off for Xmas presents for family. Cheers!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:06:53am |
re: #585 gop_patriot
Beachkatie got the boot back in July. I think she said something a bit too much on one of the ID threads. Real shame that people can't keep their heads on straight with that stuff.
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LoFlyer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:08:16am |
re: #597 laZardo
Maybe by you and your generation. But by the generation that succeeds you, I'm not sure if they will be remembered as fondly.
You are wrong mate! The Iraqi's will remember our troops for generations! The finest in the world, taking casualties to avoid collateral damage to civilians goes a long ways in anyones in book. Western journalists may shun out troops, but the Iraqi's don't!
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Moe Katz Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:10:17am |
Well, I'm almost unconscious. Goodnight/Layla tov/weet dreams to all.
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:11:29am |
I'm outta here, folks. The Bears will kick the crap out of the (previously) undefeated Titans starting at noon CDT, and it's on CBS in Missouri. Have a great night!
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Ozark Mountain Daredevil Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:12:24am |
re: #611 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I'm outta here, folks. The Bears will kick the crap out of the (previously) undefeated Titans starting at noon CDT, and it's on CBS in Missouri. Have a great night!
PIMF- Shit, Noon CST...
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redc1c4 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:12:53am |
re: #599 Adina in Judea
Sounds like this would be a big help! :)
Immigration is rescue mission for Jews, though.
Many Jews in Israel do have guns, of course.
When a terrorist starts hitting people with a bulldozer or a car, it isn't long before someone nearby puts bullets into the terrorist's head.
Seeing guns in public in Israel is a common thing (especially in some places.)
well, as someone once put it: we're all Jews, it's just that some of our parents figure that we had enough problems with out dealing with that.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:13:00am |
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:16:11am |
re: #608 LoFlyer
You are wrong mate! The Iraqi's will remember our troops for generations! The finest in the world, taking casualties to avoid collateral damage to civilians goes a long ways in anyones in book. Western journalists may shun out troops, but the Iraqi's don't!
I hope you're right. I do what I can to support our cause but I wonder how much the younger generations will remember what happened in Iraq. I trust that you're right that Iraqi's will know the good guys from the bad, but I worry that young American's won't know good from bad. I am homeschooling my 6 year-old so I know she will be taught correctly, but I wonder about the rest of her generation...
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Adina in Judea Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:16:51am |
re: #609 Moe Katz
Well, I'm almost unconscious. Goodnight/Layla tov/weet dreams to all.
Goodnight / layla tov / weet dreams to all from me, too!
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gop_patriot Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:17:06am |
Goodnight, y'all, I'm heading to bed. The Titans will continue to crush all opponents, including the Bears tomorrow at noon. ;) (I haven't watched a game all year) LOL
And Red, if you do like Fugazi, here's a live performance from the 90s that was just uploaded. If you don't like 'em, just ignore. :)
Hope everyone has a great night/morning, ttyl
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:18:57am |
Argh, I can't believe I put an apostrope in Americans.
/oh wait, yes I can, I've had an entire bottle of wine and several beers...
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:20:17am |
Night OMD, gop. Weet dreams to the both of you.
/people are dropping like flies here.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:20:21am |
Haha, and I also put an apostrophe in Iraqis! Um, I really am literate...
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:23:40am |
re: #619 BlueCanuck
Night OMD, gop. Weet dreams to the both of you.
/people are dropping like flies here.
I suppose that's because it's 4:21 est and 1:21 pst now. I wonder what time the morning crew arrives?
I've been reading lgf every day (multiple times a day) for years but only recently decided to start posting regularly. Pardon me if I'm stepping on anyone's toes. :)
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:24:29am |
re: #621 foxtrotter
Well we have varied shifts here. I am a night owl right now due to my work shift.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:30:44am |
re: #622 BlueCanuck
I am a night owl by nature but work interferes frequently. I would rather not get up at 7am to work retail but that's how life goes I guess. I have tomorrow off though so I thought I'd see what happens on lgf during the late night hours. I feel like I have to defend my politics all day long so it's nice when an off-topic thread comes up and we can talk about anything. :)
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:35:58am |
re: #623 foxtrotter
So out of curiosity, what made you take the plunge to start posting now?
/pardon me but I am a little bit nosy. ;)
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Edouard Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:41:16am |
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:42am |
re: #624 BlueCanuck
So out of curiosity, what made you take the plunge to start posting now?
/pardon me but I am a little bit nosy. ;)
I suppose it was a little bit of everything. Like many here, I was disappointed in the election (though I suspected the outcome would be what it was.) I had spent the past several years posting at a site that overwhelmingingly supported Obama and finally cut my ties there. Like I said, I have been reading lgf for several years without really involving myself and finally decided that if there is one place I fit in, it is here. I am a female neo-con who leans rather liberal on social issues and there is really nowhere else I feel comfortable, so here I am.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:48am |
re: #626 foxtrotter
Well then, welcome and well met. I do believe that we are of all different stripes here.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:59:31am |
I have this sudden hankering for some fruits...maybe clustered together in a little cup of some sort.
Why oh why does this peculiar urge typically hit me at this hour?
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:59:52am |
re: #627 BlueCanuck
Well then, welcome and well met. I do believe that we are of all different stripes here.
Thank you. I have no problem with social conservatives and am more than willing to work with them. I hope that they welcome me and that we can all work together to strengthen conservatism and defeat our mutual enemies.
/I do wonder if that's possible.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:03am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:20am |
re: #628 Fenway_Nation
The same reason it strikes us all. We have been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs. :)
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:55am |
Fenway! :-)
BlueCanuck! :-)
foxtrotter! :-) Howdy!
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:02:03am |
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:04am |
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:07am |
So, are there any strawberries in this fruitcup?
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:08:02am |
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:08:43am |
Yah! I got here while the fruit is still fresh.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:22am |
re: #636 Fenway_Nation
Why? Is there an allergy issue?
No, not at all. It's just that I love strawberries. Therefore I am pre-disposed to love fruit cups that contain strawberries. If littleoldlady's fruit cups contain strawberries, I am loyal to her for life.
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:48am |
I'm thinking of saving the newspaper front page showing the 0bama win for a little while and selling it off to a typical clueless 0bama supporter who forgot to get on on that 'historic date'...
...at a significant markup, mind you.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:35am |
Mmmm the fruitcup will go good after I finish my lunch of baked beans, and fresh bread.
Baked Beans:
In a dutch oven cook
1 lb of bacon chopped
1 onion chopped
1-2 jalapeno peppers chopped (optional)
if you don't like bacon subsitute with 1 cup of good oil
When onions are sweated to translucence add
1/4 cup brown sugar
1/4 cup molasses
2 tablespoons of tomato paste.
Then when it's mixed throughly add
1 pound of white navy beans that have been soaked over night with 4 cups of liquid either the water they have been soaking in or vegetable stock, (recommend the water, topping up with stock)
At this time add 2 teaspoons of salt and (optional) a 1/4 teaspoon of cayenne pepper.
Bring to a boil then place the lid on and put in the oven at 250° F overnight.
If you don't have a stock pot, use a crockpot slow cooker and cook at least 24 hours for best results.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:48am |
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:15:01am |
re: #642 BlueCanuck
Ahhh PIMF Stock pot = Dutch oven. :(
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:06am |
re: #637 littleoldlady
Perhaps... ;-)
If you have strawberries, then I am yours and you are mine. (Pardon me while I quote Henry V "when France is mine and I am yours, then yours is France and you are mine".)
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:36am |
re: #644 BlueCanuck
Ahhh PIMF Stock pot = Dutch oven. :(
Sock pot!? Oh lordy...this will turn out worse than my Hugo Chavez sweatsock pruno!
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:20:14am |
re: #641 Fenway_Nation
I'm thinking of saving the newspaper front page showing the 0bama win for a little while and selling it off to a typical clueless 0bama supporter who forgot to get on on that 'historic date'...
...at a significant markup, mind you.
I'm still kicking myself that I did not think ahead for that eventuality. I work at a bookstore and we carry the New York Times. We received only 5 copies of the NYT on Wednesday and I could have made a killing by buying the few copies that we received. And yet, somehow, I couldn't let myself do that...
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:20:52am |
re: #639 tappin52
Yah! I got here while the fruit is still fresh.
Here where I live, considering the proximity to West Hollywood...the fruits are ALWAYS fresh...
...oof
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:21:04am |
good morning everyone!
Welcome foxtrotter.
The Fat Beagle has many creative ways of waking me up to give her her breakfast - this morning she sat on my head.
Brat.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:23:58am |
tappin52! :-)
wahabi! :-)
My dog woke me up, too. At 1 AM! Wasn't entirely her fault. MNTS came in, and usually Roxanne ignores her, but this time decided it was the right time to bark her head off.
/feh
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:57am |
Matrix! :-)
Have some strawberries, courtesy of foxtrotter.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:12am |
re: #649 wahabicorridor
good morning everyone!
Welcome foxtrotter.
The Fat Beagle has many creative ways of waking me up to give her her breakfast - this morning she sat on my head.
Brat.
I don't have a dog at this point but I have always wanted a beagle. Really, if I had to pick a dog off the cuff, I would pick a beagle. Your post makes me laugh at this point, but I suspect I won't be laughing in the future. :)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:22am |
re: #650 littleoldlady
tappin52! :-)
wahabi! :-)
My dog woke me up, too. At 1 AM! Wasn't entirely her fault. MNTS came in, and usually Roxanne ignores her, but this time decided it was the right time to bark her head off.
/feh
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:28:25am |
re: #651 littleoldlady
Matrix! :-)
Have some strawberries, courtesy of foxtrotter.
Yes, I am providing strawberries this morning, though I cannot guarantee their freshness. I will be purchasing them at my local market, though I am in Michigan and we ran out of fresh strawberries long ago...
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:29:31am |
re: #647 foxtrotter
I'm still kicking myself that I did not think ahead for that eventuality. I work at a bookstore and we carry the New York Times. We received only 5 copies of the NYT on Wednesday and I could have made a killing by buying the few copies that we received. And yet, somehow, I couldn't let myself do that...
I only have the one copy, so if there's a moonbat out there who'll pay $7500 for it that would be fan-freakin'-tastic...
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:29:31am |
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:33:23am |
re: #652 foxtrotter
I don't have a dog at this point but I have always wanted a beagle. Really, if I had to pick a dog off the cuff, I would pick a beagle. Your post makes me laugh at this point, but I suspect I won't be laughing in the future. :)
Oh dear lord - get ready. Look, I'm better with dogs than most people. I've had a border collie, a german shepard, a mutt and even spent a summer helping train dogs for the Penna. State Police (I was the idiot in the bite suit) - but everything I thought I knew about dogs went out the window with the Beagle.
They can be unbelievably strong-willed, are famous for 'selective deafness' - and are not necessarily all that sweet if they don't want to be. The Fat Beagle is 10 inches at the shoulder and she has chased grown men off the property.
They are the most manipulative dogs I've ever known. And also the most comical.It took no more than 6 mos for the training to really take hold w/the collie and the shepard - this one was 18 mos. And not because she didn't 'get it' - she just didn't fucking feel like it.
She's 6 and a half now and is damn near perfect - but it took some serious 'Mom is Alpha whether you like it or not' discipline.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:34:35am |
re: #655 Fenway_Nation
I only have the one copy, so if there's a moonbat out there who'll pay $7500 for it that would be fan-freakin'-tastic...
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a moonbat out there willing to pay such a price. We had dozens of calls this morning looking for that new Time or Newsweek special issue featuring Obama. Heck, we sold out of the People special edition within the first few hours of opening this morning. The Time and Newsweek sold old pretty much immediately.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:35:34am |
Oh. Another example. The Alpha dog in her litter, Casey, went to a family that shows Malamutes. They had a 12 year old son who wanted to start showiwng and he wanted a beagle. They took 8 week, 8 pound Casey home - and she immediately started fights for 2 days until she was Alpha - with Malamutes!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:38:38am |
re: #656 littleoldlady
She can sing that song! :-)
/part Husky.
We have a purebred Husky :) Love him.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:38:47am |
re: #657 wahabicorridor
Oh dear lord - get ready. Look, I'm better with dogs than most people. I've had a border collie, a german shepard, a mutt and even spent a summer helping train dogs for the Penna. State Police (I was the idiot in the bite suit) - but everything I thought I knew about dogs went out the window with the Beagle.
They can be unbelievably strong-willed, are famous for 'selective deafness' - and are not necessarily all that sweet if they don't want to be. The Fat Beagle is 10 inches at the shoulder and she has chased grown men off the property.
They are the most manipulative dogs I've ever known. And also the most comical.It took no more than 6 mos for the training to really take hold w/the collie and the shepard - this one was 18 mos. And not because she didn't 'get it' - she just didn't fucking feel like it.
She's 6 and a half now and is damn near perfect - but it took some serious 'Mom is Alpha whether you like it or not' discipline.
Oh, I totally believe you. I just have this thing for beagles even though I know I'm asking for hell. A dog who doesn't get it just because she doesn't feel like it? Totally me. I'm going to have a totally frustrating time training that beagle, but I will do it eventually...
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:43:49am |
re: #661 foxtrotter
I'm going to have a totally frustrating time training that beagle, but I will do it eventually...
Training tip: Green beans. Beagles are highly food-motivated - and if you use dog treats you will end up with a fat beagle. Most beagles love green beans and they won't add weight. I buy them frozen, nuke/steam them in the microwave.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:43:50am |
Oh boy, beagle stories. Back in my childhood we got our family dog from our neighbors. He was stranded as a puppy. They couldn't take him because they already had a dog, a beagle that was trained for hunting. Well both dogs got along well enough, until the beagle tried his alpha tricks on our dog. With hilarious results. When Mij was a puppy, Jake towered over him. That lasted for about 2 months. Finally when the alpha fight started Mij could walk over Jake. And Mij wasn't a push over, much to Jakes chagrin. After that Mij was the alpha.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:44:55am |
re: #659 wahabicorridor
Our family loves dobermans. My son picked the most aggressive male froma litter of eleven. He turned out to be the most neeedy, neurotic marshmallow ever. Unfortunately, his favorite treats were tainted by the Chinese so now he rests in our back woods.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:33am |
re: #660 TheMatrix31
We have a purebred Husky :) Love him.
Roxanne has one blue eye, one brown. (We're not positive, but we think the other "parts" are lab and chow.) She is the sweetest thing, World's Best Dog. Seriously! The only complaints we've had in the 10 years she's had us as pets is that, although she can do lots of tricks, "COME" isn't one of them. Also she needs to be on a leash or a line outside or we're chasing her into the next county for the two or three hours it takes for her to get tired.
Pain in the butt. In the middle of a snow storm I am SO JEALOUS of people who can open the door and let the dog out to do its business, and know the dog will come back...
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:47:56am |
re: #658 foxtrotter
One of my most prized possessions is this Sports Illustrated autographed by Jason Varitek, Bill Mueller, Gabe Kapler and Dave biggest-stolen-base-in-86-years Roberts.
I put alot of effort into getting just those four signatures (out of a team of 25!), so re-selling it has never really been an option for me.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:48:13am |
re: #662 wahabicorridor
Training tip: Green beans. Beagles are highly food-motivated - and if you use dog treats you will end up with a fat beagle. Most beagles love green beans and they won't add weight. I buy them frozen, nuke/steam them in the microwave.
I will remember that. We always have green beans around here as we like to eat them, but I will remember that they are good to train beagles. We can't get a dog for another year and a half, but I will remember that for the future. Thanks!
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:49:51am |
Already posted in spin-off links but this is not to be missed:
Planning under way for Obama holiday
Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation's 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.
"Yes We Can" planning rallies will be at 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. every Tuesday at the downtown McDonald's restaurant, 1100 Kansas Ave., until Jan. 13. The goals are to secure a national holiday in Obama's honor, to organize celebrations around his inauguration and to celebrate the 200th birthday of President Abraham Lincoln, who was born on Feb. 12 1809.
At 7:30 a.m. on Inauguration Day, Obama Cake will be served at the downtown McDonald's,
Have your Obama cake and eat it too, but be sure to wash it down with some Obama kool-aid...or else.
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foxtrotter Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:49:53am |
re: #664 tappin52
Our family loves dobermans. My son picked the most aggressive male froma litter of eleven. He turned out to be the most neeedy, neurotic marshmallow ever. Unfortunately, his favorite treats were tainted by the Chinese so now he rests in our back woods.
Oh, tha's awful. I'm so sorry!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:51:15am |
re: #665 littleoldlady
Roxanne has one blue eye, one brown. (We're not positive, but we think the other "parts" are lab and chow.) She is the sweetest thing, World's Best Dog. Seriously! The only complaints we've had in the 10 years she's had us as pets is that, although she can do lots of tricks, "COME" isn't one of them. Also she needs to be on a leash or a line outside or we're chasing her into the next county for the two or three hours it takes for her to get tired.
Pain in the butt. In the middle of a snow storm I am SO JEALOUS of people who can open the door and let the dog out to do its business, and know the dog will come back...
Drago's a pain in the butt too. I can't even describe it. Gotta love him though. My brother was an idiot for getting a Husky when we have no backyard. so we have to keep him in the house. It's okay, though, he's still the best.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:52:12am |
re: #664 tappin52
Our family loves dobermans. My son picked the most aggressive male froma litter of eleven. He turned out to be the most neeedy, neurotic marshmallow ever. Unfortunately, his favorite treats were tainted by the Chinese so now he rests in our back woods.
Oh, damn. I am so sorry.
The most magnificent canine speciman I have ever seen is a dobie - Reginald, aka Reggie. Met him at the vet's office. He is an absolute clown - for some strange reason he gets his kicks from people's laughter - he actually makes faces to make you laugh, then puts his head on your lap for a good scratch and a kiss. Great dog.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:53:26am |
The first dobie we had lived fourteen years. Absolutely fearless female who could kill snakes in a snap and was a better mouser than the cat.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:24am |
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:59:01am |
re: #40 stuiec
In quiet moments, I fantasize that Obama has actually been scamming William Ayers for the last 20 years, and that he's really just your run-of-the-mill corrupt Chicago grafter. This instills in me a hope that he will put his own self-interest ahead of any Leftist loyalties he has, and will govern in such a way that he angles for re-election.
Then I snap out of it, and realize once more that he is likely to govern the way he talks: hard-Left, redistributionist, weak on defense.
And get re-elected anyway, with the media blaming all the problems on Bush and on Republicans trying to block his agenda, and vilifying his opponent, and massive voter fraud and intimidation. Not to mention the immigration that will go wildly unchecked during his administration. But I don't think we need to worry about him being re-elected. If he doesn't kill us all during his first term, he'll surrender, and maybe he'll get assigned dhimmi dictator in chief.
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:59:49am |
Note from the above linked story that McDonald's is apparently participating officially in the promotion of the Obama holiday.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:00:10am |
re: #669 Shiplord Kirel
Please say they aren't serious.
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:03:34am |
re: #677 BlueCanuck
Please say they aren't serious.
Alas, it appears for all the world that they are. One of the promoters, Sonny Scroggins, is a well-known "community organizer." Another, Lamont Lassiter, is the manager of the McDonald's that will serve the Obama cake and it is apparently being done on McDonald's dime.
Btw, I was in Gander Mountain today to get some clay pigeons. People were buying ammo by the case.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:05:09am |
re: #679 Shiplord Kirel
Great, a holiday for a president that hasn't even served yet and has no accomplishments to his name yet. Takers on it actually happening?
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:07:22am |
re: #669 Shiplord Kirel
Already posted in spin-off links but this is not to be missed:
Planning under way for Obama holiday
Have your Obama cake and eat it too, but be sure to wash it down with some Obama kool-aid...or else.
These people are such ... chuckleheads ... empty, pathetic moron losers. It's terrifying to think that this is what so many Americans have become. I have no doubt that if you asked them what they'd think about Obama becoming dictator for life, they'd say they hope so.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:02am |
The push for a holiday for Obama is ridiculous at this point. We have diminished Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays to the point of a national White Sale. Try asking any student today if they know the actual birthdates. I appreciate the history of the election, but "That One" could prove to be regrettable. Save the holiday talk until we know if he is competent.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:12am |
re: #680 BlueCanuck
Great, a holiday for a president that hasn't even served yet and has no accomplishments to his name yet. Takers on it actually happening?
Considering he got elected like that...I'd say 95%. The bottom 95%, that is.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:29am |
re: #679 Shiplord Kirel
Alas, it appears for all the world that they are. One of the promoters, Sonny Scroggins, is a well-known "community organizer." Another, Lamont Lassiter, is the manager of the McDonald's that will serve the Obama cake and it is apparently being done on McDonald's dime.
Btw, I was in Gander Mountain today to get some clay pigeons. People were buying ammo by the case.
Any Topeka Lizards want to arrange a boycott of that McDonald's?
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:09:03am |
re: #676 Shiplord Kirel
Note from the above linked story that McDonald's is apparently participating officially in the promotion of the Obama holiday.
Maybe. Maybe not. McDonald's are franchises, are they not? The email address given is not a McDonald's corp but to 'biasbusters' - could well be an initiative of the franchise owner.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:09:46am |
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:12:23am |
re: #686 littleoldlady
I saw that a day or so ago. Very funny.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:12:27am |
re: #682 tappin52
The push for a holiday for Obama is ridiculous at this point. We have diminished Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays to the point of a national White Sale. Try asking any student today if they know the actual birthdates. I appreciate the history of the election, but "That One" could prove to be regrettable. Save the holiday talk until we know if he is competent.
Uh, save the holiday talk, period. It's not worth a second's thought and never will be.
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:16:30am |
Btw, for those of you who want to get armed but might be a little short on funds, Gander Mountain has the Brazilian made Rossi single-shot shotguns for $99. I have a very similar Rossi rifle in .223 and it is a dandy gun, practically every backwoods home in Brazil has one.
The drawback is that you only have one shot but you might be surprised at how fast you can re-load with a little practice. Besides, one hit from a 12 gauge is guaranteed to put a bad guy out of business, probably for good, something that is not the case even with quite powerful handguns.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:19:43am |
re: #689 Shiplord Kirel
I "allegedly" have one of those 12 gauge shot guns, plus a hand gun that Clint Eastwood used in a Dirty Harry movie. Not that I know how to use either of them, but I probably should get some bullets for them.
/"alleged" as in Israeli nukes...
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:20:03am |
Does anyone have any guess as to how many fraudulent votes ACORN racked up? I am so disgusted that they blatantly operate with so much support from the Dems and there is absolutely no consequence. It is enough to lose one's mind over.
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Geepers Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:20:19am |
littleoldlady (#686),
Nice.
Oh and thanks a lot. (Sittin' 'ear listenin' to Mary Poppins.)
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:22:36am |
re: #688 Tigger2005
Uh, save the holiday talk, period. It's not worth a second's thought and never will be.
Just the notion is enough to make me laugh and cry hysterically, simultaneously.
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:22:53am |
re: #688 Tigger2005
Uh, save the holiday talk, period. It's not worth a second's thought and never will be.
I'm not concerned with the holiday in and of itself, but with what it tells us about the Obama cult, especially since this is happening in the American heartland and local business is unself-consciously pitching in with what is, on its face, the kind of proposal we see only in rigid totalitarian dictatorships.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:23:18am |
re: #691 tappin52
Does anyone have any guess as to how many fraudulent votes ACORN racked up?
Hell, I can't even think of a methodology that would find out...
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:23:47am |
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:27:10am |
re: #51 William
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
Bet they know the contents of Piper Palin's dresser, though.
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Geepers Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:27:55am |
It's not going to be quick, it's not going to be easy for us to dig ourselves out of the hole that we are in.~ Barack Obama
DIG ourselves OUT of a HOLE?!?
Ya know for someone that's such an "eloquent speaker" Barry sure make a lot of dopey statements.
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rightwinger3 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:31:39am |
re: #689 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, for those of you who want to get armed but might be a little short on funds, Gander Mountain has the Brazilian made Rossi single-shot shotguns for $99. I have a very similar Rossi rifle in .223 and it is a dandy gun, practically every backwoods home in Brazil has one.
The drawback is that you only have one shot but you might be surprised at how fast you can re-load with a little practice. Besides, one hit from a 12 gauge is guaranteed to put a bad guy out of business, probably for good, something that is not the case even with quite powerful handguns.
Shiplord, thanks for the tip. A shotgun, one for each family member as a matter of fact, so I guess several shotguns are on my shopping list.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:35:08am |
Definitely OT - anyone else listen to these guys MGMT?
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:36:47am |
re: #698 Geepers
DIG ourselves OUT of a HOLE?!?
Ya know for someone that's such an "eloquent speaker" Barry sure make a lot of dopey statements.
Last time I checked, if you start digging while standing in a hole, the hole gets deeper and deeper. In most places in the world, sooner or later that hole will either fill up with gas and you'll die or you'll hit water and drown. Good luck with that Hussein.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:08am |
re: #703 galloping granny
Last time I checked, if you start digging while standing in a hole, the hole gets deeper and deeper. In most places in the world, sooner or later that hole will either fill up with gas and you'll die or you'll hit water and drown. Good luck with that Hussein.
Wait till he gets deep enough then toss him a case of dynamite. :)
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:10am |
re: #694 Shiplord Kirel
I'm not concerned with the holiday in and of itself, but with what it tells us about the Obama cult, especially since this is happening in the American heartland and local business is unself-consciously pitching in with what is, on its face, the kind of proposal we see only in rigid totalitarian dictatorships.
We have never in our history had a holiday in honor of a living individual and we should not start now. That smacks way too much of Hitler 101 and Lenin.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:47am |
re: #704 BlueCanuck
Wait till he gets deep enough then toss him a case of dynamite. :)
Morning Blue. How's things?
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:39:41am |
re: #705 galloping granny
We have never in our history had a holiday in honor of a living individual and we should not start now. That smacks way too much of Hitler 101 and Lenin.
I posted it on my Facebook profile. Let's see how many people I get liking/supporting the idea.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:41:42am |
re: #706 galloping granny
Morning granny, doing okay so far. Things about to get noisy here though. :(
/I hate monthly fire testing with a passion.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:42:35am |
re: #708 BlueCanuck
Morning granny, doing okay so far. Things about to get noisy here though. :(
/I hate monthly fire testing with a passion.
Fire testing?
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:45:29am |
re: #709 galloping granny
Yeah, I am at work. Monthly test of the fire alarm system. Bells whistles buzzers, the whole shooting match.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:45:56am |
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:47:13am |
re: #705 galloping granny
There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.
I think it's creepy.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:19am |
re: #711 wahabicorridor
Ever hear an office building fire alarm? Now think of that and amplify it by two hours of alarms going off in a loud echoing lobby.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:32am |
re: #710 BlueCanuck
Yeah, I am at work. Monthly test of the fire alarm system. Bells whistles buzzers, the whole shooting match.
Oh I hate that. But I suppose it is more endurable than ending up like that Russian sub.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:32am |
re: #712 Bumr50
There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.
I think it's creepy.
You can make them stop real quick. Just tell them "checks are not forthcoming..."
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:11am |
re: #712 Bumr50
There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.
I think it's creepy.
PITTSBURGH! Hey, I grew up there! (Mt. Lebo, Bethel Park)
Too bad about Penn State the other day :(
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:43am |
re: #714 galloping granny
True, but I do get claustrophobic at my desk from time to time.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:46am |
re: #694 Shiplord Kirel
I'm not concerned with the holiday in and of itself, but with what it tells us about the Obama cult, especially since this is happening in the American heartland and local business is unself-consciously pitching in with what is, on its face, the kind of proposal we see only in rigid totalitarian dictatorships.
There needs to be a boycott of that McDonald's.
Some of the most stupid-ass things I've heard this election cycle have been coming out of the American heartland, like KC Star editorial staff member Lewis Diuguid saying "socialist is a code word for black." Missouri remained sane and went McCain, but just barely.
It's all so terrifying. This election has given legitimacy, and ultimate authority, to radical, utopian, irrational, magical thinking, thinking that completely disconnects actions from consequences, rhetoric from reality, accomplishments from adulation. The people in power now, and their supporters, are not people who can be reasoned with like rational people. They're a New Age Marxist political-religious cult. And now that they have the freedom to enact their agenda they will act boldly through their business, media, academic, and legal surrogates, as well as groups like ACORN, to suppress independent, rational thinking and encourage groupthink. They'll especially target the young, utilizing peer and teacher pressure, and seek to lock in all the gains they've already made at converting them to an unthinking socialist/environmentalist/multiculturalist mindset. Once a critical mass of brain-dead people is reached, it will be almost impossible to dislodge the socialist regime. Look how long it took the Russians to wake up to the futility of communism, and it took them even longer to do anything about it. And that was with America providing an alternative example. Who will be our alternative example?
"We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to a thousand years of darkness."
--Ronald Reagan, 1964 speech, "A Time for Choosing."
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:50:03am |
re: #711 wahabicorridor
fire testing?
morning granny...
Morning wahabi.
re: #712 Bumr50
There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.
I think it's creepy.
Creepy isn't quite the word. I'll have to think on it. The phenomenon needs a much stronger descriptor these days.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:52:13am |
re: #718 Tigger2005
There needs to be a boycott of that McDonald's.
Some of the most stupid-ass things I've heard this election cycle have been coming out of the American heartland, like KC Star editorial staff member Lewis Diuguid saying "socialist is a code word for black." Missouri remained sane and went McCain, but just barely.
It's all so terrifying. This election has given legitimacy, and ultimate authority, to radical, utopian, irrational, magical thinking, thinking that completely disconnects actions from consequences, rhetoric from reality, accomplishments from adulation. The people in power now, and their supporters, are not people who can be reasoned with like rational people. They're a New Age Marxist political-religious cult. And now that they have the freedom to enact their agenda they will act boldly through their business, media, academic, and legal surrogates, as well as groups like ACORN, to suppress independent, rational thinking and encourage groupthink. They'll especially target the young, utilizing peer and teacher pressure, and seek to lock in all the gains they've already made at converting them to an unthinking socialist/environmentalist/multicultural ist mindset. Once a critical mass of brain-dead people is reached, it will be almost impossible to dislodge the socialist regime. Look how long it took the Russians to wake up to the futility of communism, and it took them even longer to do anything about it. And that was with America providing an alternative example. Who will be our alternative example?
"We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to a thousand years of darkness."
--Ronald Reagan, 1964 speech, "A Time for Choosing."
And in reality they STILL have done nothing about it.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:55:56am |
re: #713 BlueCanuck
Ever hear an office building fire alarm? Now think of that and amplify it by two hours of alarms going off in a loud echoing lobby.
I would end up with a major migraine had would have to be evac'd by EMT
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John-SA Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:01:17am |
Watching Rove (light entertainment show on Australian television) tonight.
Actor Rob Schneider (from the Deuce Bigalo movies, etc.) was a guest on show. After Rove did the whole congratulations on electing Obama spiel, Schneider said how great it was to no longer be embarrassed about being an American when overseas, unlike the last eight years.
He went on about this at some length, e.g. how when in Europe he'd pretend to be Canadian or Australian or something.
Just thought I'd let my American friends know.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:37am |
re: #722 John-SA
Don't worry - we've known for a very long time - but thanks.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:03:42am |
re: #722 John-SA
We've stopped apologizing for the dumb Americans that go overseas.
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:37am |
re: #722 John-SA
Watching Rove (light entertainment show on Australian television) tonight.
Actor Rob Schneider (from the Deuce Bigalo movies, etc.) was a guest on show. After Rove did the whole congratulations on electing Obama spiel, Schneider said how great it was to no longer be embarrassed about being an American when overseas, unlike the last eight years.
He went on about this at some length, e.g. how when in Europe he'd pretend to be Canadian or Australian or something.
Just thought I'd let my American friends know.
Then maybe he should take his ass out of the country that has made him the millionaire that he is today.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:49am |
re: #723 wahabicorridor
Don't worry - we've known for a very long time - but thanks.
And that will wear off shortly anyway. People aren't suddenly going to start loving either America or Americans because Hussein has been "elected" president.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:05:08am |
re: #722 John-SA
What? Rob Schneider pretending to be a Canadian or Australian? Is that guy clueless or what? As if most people wouldn't know that he's American.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:06:07am |
re: #725 TheMatrix31
Then maybe he should take his ass out of the country that has made him the millionaire that he is today.
Personally, I think we should keep a list. Something like a Blacklist. Call it a Boycott These Idiots list.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:07:38am |
re: #728 galloping granny
Actually boycotting Rob Schneider films wouldn't do much good. Have you seen some of his movies? :p
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:09:46am |
re: #729 BlueCanuck
Actually boycotting Rob Schneider films wouldn't do much good. Have you seen some of his movies? :p
I don't much like movies, so in general probably not. I think the last movie I saw that is reasonably new is Spiderwick Chronicles. Other than that, I last watched Dr. Zhivago (three nights ago.)
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:10:13am |
Politics. n. From the Greek poly, meaning many, and tics, meaning blood sucking parasites.
-James Carville (a paragon of same)
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:10:34am |
re: #701 Bumr50
Victimology sucks.
I'm crying victimology? Is it too much to ask that those who chose to ignore law get to experience the consequence of that choice?
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:13:05am |
re: #732 tappin52
I'm crying victimology? Is it too much to ask that those who chose to ignore law get to experience the consequence of that choice?
Maybe that depends on the law. Let's say there is suddenly a law that says I have to send my kiddo off to re-education camp and I refuse to comply. Do I then "deserve" some consequences?
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:15:54am |
re: #722 John-SA
Rob Schneider, interestingly, is of Filipino heritage.
Being of Filipino heritage and still an American citizen, I could as well say my feelings are the reverse of his.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:49am |
re: #734 laZardo
Rob Schneider, interestingly, is of Filipino heritage.
Being of Filipino heritage and still an American citizen, I could as well say my feelings are the reverse of his.
And your opinion counts...why?
/celebrities rule drool! ;-)
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:24am |
re: #729 BlueCanuck
The only thing he's famous for is being the guy who shouts "Yew can doo it!" in Adam Sandler movies. [=
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:29am |
Actually, looking at all the moonbats stating that when they travel they call themselves Canadian. This would explain the loss of goodwill real Canadians have had when we travel overseas. :)
/seriously, think about that for a second. . . .
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:53am |
re: #728 galloping granny
Personally, I think we should keep a list. Something like a Blacklist. Call it a Boycott These Idiots list.
I'm sure there is something already.
One interesting thing is that George Lucas is a grade-A moonbat, a big Dem supporter who I have no doubt donated to and voted for Obama.
Yet another middle-class kid who made it completely on his own through hard work and risk-taking and became a multi-millionaire in this great rich land of opportunity of ours who for some reason wants to turn it into a socialist shithole where nobody else will have his chance at success (and where nobody will have the money to buy Star Wars and Indiana Jones toys, for that matter).
But he's been a moonbat for a long time. Probably started at USC film school in the 60's. He was the one who came up with the idea for the anti-Vietnam War film Apocalypse Now, although Francis Ford Coppolla stole it. Many years ago he gave an interview where he said the Ewoks in "Return of the Jedi" were like the VietCong, primitive people beating a sophisticated war machine simply because they believed in what they were fighting for. Yeah, whatever, George.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:57am |
re: #733 galloping granny
I'm not talking hypothetically. There are laws that were broken. No consequence? Unacceptable.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:09am |
re: #735 littleoldlady
And your opinion counts...why?
Exactly. [;
A lot of Filipino Americans supported Hillary though...I guess there was only one place left to go after the primaries, and it wasn't to the "other side."
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:12am |
re: #734 laZardo
Rob Schneider, interestingly, is of Filipino heritage.
Being of Filipino heritage and still an American citizen, I could as well say my feelings are the reverse of his.
Perhaps he should have been claiming to be Filipino right along then. Or the German that his last name indicates.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:14am |
re: #726 galloping granny
And that will wear off shortly anyway. People aren't suddenly going to start loving either America or Americans because Hussein has been "elected" president.
A few days ago No Parasan had a piece on how some French media were sniggering that Obama is only half black and Americans will lose the racist label when we elect someone REALLY DARK.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:20:53am |
re: #738 Tigger2005
But he's been a moonbat for a long time. Probably started at USC film school in the 60's. He was the one who came up with the idea for the anti-Vietnam War film Apocalypse Now, although Francis Ford Coppolla stole it. Many years ago he gave an interview where he said the Ewoks in "Return of the Jedi" were like the VietCong, primitive people beating a sophisticated war machine simply because they believed in what they were fighting for. Yeah, whatever, George.
And what the hell is wrong with the smell of napalm in the morning? [=
/seriously though, TIE fighters were the shit.
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Geepers Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:25am |
In a tortuous ruling that threatens to have a chilling effect on discussions of “new” German anti-Semitism, the District Court of Cologne recently upheld a restraining order that forbids author Henryk Broder from describing the discourse of a virulent critic of Israel as “anti-Semitic” in a post on a popular German blog.
The EUropeans: Our Betters.
Can You Call Someone ‘Anti-Semitic’ on a Blog? Not in Germany
Read the whole thing (if you want to make yourself sick.)
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:27am |
Oh. I didn't realize Charles had an edit like that. Ok, change the word with asteriks in it to 'snickering'.
Hubby is awake. BBL
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:57am |
re: #739 tappin52
I'm not talking hypothetically. There are laws that were broken. No consequence? Unacceptable.
I know you aren't talking hypothetically. If you're talking about the hundreds of laws broken regarding this current election, keep in mind that all those US Attorneys want to keep their jobs. Hussein has already vowed to undo virtually every action and executive order Bush has taken and will have the power to do so. Just who do you think is going to insure consequences for the law breaking. I doubt Joe Smith policeman down on the corner is going to go arrest Hussein.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:22:31am |
re: #716 wahabicorridor
It's a great place to be FROM, trust me.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:24:44am |
re: #747 galloping granny
Well, there's a bit of a problem. Why should thery KEEP their job when they won't DO their job?
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:25:06am |
re: #747 galloping granny
I know you aren't talking hypothetically. If you're talking about the hundreds of laws broken regarding this current election, keep in mind that all those US Attorneys want to keep their jobs. Hussein has already vowed to undo virtually every action and executive order Bush has taken and will have the power to do so. Just who do you think is going to insure consequences for the law breaking. I doubt Joe Smith policeman down on the corner is going to go arrest Hussein.
I think we have to face the fact that we could well have an actual dictatorship on our hands. Just like that.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:26:24am |
re: #741 galloping granny
Actually, I've noticed a lot of Filipinos in the upper echelons of society (often in celeb ranks) with American, European and Chinese-ish surnames.
It's perhaps a legacy of the 'colonial mentality,' where unlike in America, how much non-native-Filipino blood you have would be a fairly reliable indicator as to where you generally started and ended in society.
/ironically, I have ancestors up the family tree who fought in the Philippine Revolution, though I'm a bit hazy on if they fought in the subsequent Filipino-American War...
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:10am |
re: #733 galloping granny
Maybe that depends on the law. Let's say there is suddenly a law that says I have to send my kiddo off to re-education camp and I refuse to comply. Do I then "deserve" some consequences?
As your defense attorney let me outline your case:
There are approximately 20 million illegal aliens undocumented Americans who broke the law the minute they stepped foot in this country, and most have suffered no consequences whatsoever.
LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:20am |
re: #749 tappin52
Well, there's a bit of a problem. Why should thery KEEP their job when they won't DO their job?
It's the Chicago Way.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:28am |
re: #750 Tigger2005
I think we have to face the fact that we could well have an actual dictatorship on our hands. Just like that.
Yup. Nobody to stop him.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:28:44am |
re: #750 Tigger2005
He's going to have to make a substantial portion of that happen in the first two years. And at the same time make sure there isn't a backlash that could give the Republicans a fighting chance to get back in the Senate.
That would require a fully-coordinated national effort, and there are still the 'factions' that want to claim their reward for putting him in power in the first place.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:29:18am |
re: #732 tappin52
Perhaps my post was vague. Sorry.
I look at at ACORN and see it as being a product of victimology and allowing people to feel empowered to the tune of "by any means necessary."
Stealing every vote possible was seen as heroic and Robin Hood-esque by a great majority of these vote thieves, I'm sure.
Many probably still feel absolutely NO moral guilt, and I agree that they should be punished.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:30:28am |
re: #749 tappin52
Well, there's a bit of a problem. Why should thery KEEP their job when they won't DO their job?
US Attorneys serve solely and entirely at the pleasure of the sitting president. Today is November 9. EVEN if all of the investigation and documentation was ready to go in each of the 50+ jurisdictions, there is not a prayer in hell that any case could make it through the court system before January 20. And come inauguration day, any US Attorney that was in the midst of prosecuting our new lord and master would find himself instantly unemployed.
So, what purpose would 50 or so of our best and brightest throwing themselves to the wolves serve exactly?
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:31:13am |
re: #748 Bumr50
It's a great place to be FROM, trust me.
Hey, the 'burg was a great place to grow up - but no more Penna for me - not with those taxes.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:31:31am |
re: #756 Bumr50
Perhaps my post was vague. Sorry.
I look at at ACORN and see it as being a product of victimology and allowing people to feel empowered to the tune of "by any means necessary."
It's exactly the same attitude that let O.J. Simpson get away with murder.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:38am |
re: #757 galloping granny
I'm sure that Congress would hold hearings as to the improper firing of said attorneys.///
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:48am |
re: #757 galloping granny
US Attorneys serve solely and entirely at the pleasure of the sitting president. Today is November 9. EVEN if all of the investigation and documentation was ready to go in each of the 50+ jurisdictions, there is not a prayer in hell that any case could make it through the court system before January 20. And come inauguration day, any US Attorney that was in the midst of prosecuting our new lord and master would find himself instantly unemployed.
So, what purpose would 50 or so of our best and brightest throwing themselves to the wolves serve exactly?
Well, if they were ALL, or many of them, investigating Obama, and he fired them all, surely THAT would make a lot of Americans sit up and take notice. But the AG's would never have the courage to do it.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:29am |
re: #761 tappin52
I'm sure that Congress would hold hearings as to the improper firing of said attorneys./// ///
Sarcasm, right? As in Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi acting all responsible and concerned for democracy and all that ...
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:36:56am |
re: #754 galloping granny
Yup. Nobody to stop him.
Saul Alinsky Takes the White House
Too many conservatives think we've seen all this before -- in 1964 and 1974 and 1992 -- and that we know how to handle it. Fly, meet ointment: We're not dealing with the same sorts of opponents. These New Alinskyites who are taking over the White House, combined with the most leftist congressional leadership in memory, will not let us play by the same rules under which conservatives recovered from those earlier debacles. They will try to drastically tilt the playing field, seed our side of the field with land mines and, in short, rig the process to make it next to impossible for the political right, or Republicans, to recover. And they are likely to succeed in at least some of these designs.
[ ]
Watch what Michael Barone called the Obama "thugocracy" use the Justice Department to stifle dissent. Anybody who complains about vote fraud will be charged with "vote suppression." Anybody who complains about DoJ's actions will be charged with interfering with an investigation. Anybody who denies having interfered will be charged with perjury. Likewise, anybody who peacefully protests abortion clinics or the use of state-sponsored racial quotas will be charged with a civil rights violation. And the accused won't be able to look to the Supreme Court for help: Anthony Kennedy's "evolving standards" of justice will evolve to match the new zeitgeist, providing a 5-4 majority for the administration. Meanwhile, of course, Obama's other appointments will be filling up the rest of the judiciary at a rapid clip, with nobody able to stop them.
Read the rest - it gets even worse...
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:23am |
re: #762 Tigger2005
Well, if they were ALL, or many of them, investigating Obama, and he fired them all, surely THAT would make a lot of Americans sit up and take notice. But the AG's would never have the courage to do it.
Congress only notices when Republicans fire US Attorneys. And another little monkey wrench to throw into the works: the sitting US President is in general immune from prosecution for darned near anything. That probably includes election fraud.
And if a whole bunch of AGs had the sheer balls to try to pin it on Husseini's underlings, the day he takes office one magic stroke of his pen issues a presidential pardon and wipes it all away.
In other words, bend over. You'll like it or else.
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tappin52 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:41am |
re: #763 Tigger2005
Big sarcasm. Well folks, thanks for the brain exercises. I'm off to have breakfast with my son then watch grandson's Pop Warner football.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:39:09am |
So I'm reading the Newspeak Appendix essay at the back of 1984 and I come across this interesting tidbit...
Even in the early decades of the twentieth century, telescoped words and phrases had been one of the characteristic features of political language; and it had been noticed that the tendency to use abbreviations of this kind was most marked in totalitarian countries and totalitarian organizations. Examples were such words as Nazi, Gestapo, Comintern, Inprecorr, Agitprop. In the beginning the practice had been adopted as it were instinctively, but in Newspeak it was used with a conscious purpose. It was perceived that in thus abbreviating a name one narrowed and subtly altered its meaning, by cutting out most of the associations that would otherwise cling to it.
The words Communist International, for instance, call up a composite picture of universal human brotherhood, red flags, barricades, Karl Marx, and the Paris Commune. The word Comintern, on the other hand, suggests merely a tightly-knit organization and a well-defined body of doctrine. It refers to something almost as easily recognized, and as limited in purpose, as a chair or a table. Comintern is a word that can be uttered almost without taking thought, whereas Communist International is a phrase over which one is obliged to linger at least momentarily.
In the same way, the associations called up by a word like Minitrue are fewer and more controllable than those called up by Ministry of Truth.
Something to think about when they call out the "right-wing Nazi!" card...
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:18am |
re: #760 Tigger2005
I think that until there is significant, publicly visible outrage from African American leadership on whatever level is understood best be it pulpit, podium, or screen, this attitude will not only be ignored but exacerbated.
There is complicity deep into the House and Senate, and now the Oval Office.
Moral relativity is killing us.
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:40am |
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:43:05am |
re: #767 laZardo
So I'm reading the Newspeak Appendix essay at the back of 1984 and I come across this interesting tidbit...
Something to think about when they call out the "right-wing Nazi!" card...
There's a reason why I prefer to use the term National Socialist instead of Nazi.
I'm also starting to use the abbreviation N-NS or NeoNS instead of Neonazi.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:24am |
re: #764 wahabicorridor
On a previous thread I mentioned describing the "thugocracy" as "political terrorism" because to me, that's what it looks like. No rules, no honor, no matter the path, there is only victory.
Plus the term "political terrorism" would perhaps resonate better with those yet to understand the tactics of the left.
The only drawback would be somehow cheapening the sorrow, rage, love, hate, and other emotions felt by the victims of flesh and blood terror.
I'm not sure if such terminology does that, and that's the last thing I waould want by continuing to use the term.
I cannot dismiss it's accuracy.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:10am |
re: #768 Bumr50
I think that until there is significant, publicly visible outrage from African American leadership on whatever level is understood best be it pulpit, podium, or screen, this attitude will not only be ignored but exacerbated.
There is complicity deep into the House and Senate, and now the Oval Office.
Moral relativity is killing us.
I try to tell people what danger we're in. They just don't see it. They've been in the pot too long and they're almost cooked. They don't take anything seriously. Friend I was chatting with last night hates Obama, but he said, "I'm not worrying about it anymore, time to move on" and "Nothing you can do about it now."
If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet."
Ronald Reagan speech, A Time for Choosing, 1964
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:13am |
re: #772 Tigger2005
I try to tell people what danger we're in. They just don't see it. They've been in the pot too long and they're almost cooked. They don't take anything seriously. Friend I was chatting with last night hates Obama, but he said, "I'm not worrying about it anymore, time to move on" and "Nothing you can do about it now."
If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet."
Ronald Reagan speech, A Time for Choosing, 1964
I am sorely afraid that blood is going to run in our streets long before this is over.
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callahan23 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:58am |
re: #745 Geepers
The EUropeans: Our Betters.
Can You Call Someone ‘Anti-Semitic’ on a Blog? Not in Germany
Read the whole thing (if you want to make yourself sick.)
Just read it myself and as a German and an avid fan of Henryk Broder I had on time updates of the whole story from the beginning.
Appalling.
I'm so embarrassed to be living in Germany.
Because antisemitism is an constant companion in so many political discussions that I have with ordinary Germans. Just the other day some guy needed to point out that the Rothschild's are the owners of the French daily 'Libération'... soo?!? A**hat!
You kinda get this sort of arguments you least expect it from.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:28am |
I was just surfing around, reading various articles about Obama's win, and it's interesting. He won this election because he was black.
Almost all of the congratulatory articles I have read has dealt with the fact that a black man is finally in the white house. And the media is tapping almost every special interest area to tout his winning.
An example. The Denver Post today has an article about Denver's only black live theatre group and how it's staff of technical people and actors are elated over the win.
And you will probably notice these kinds of articles all through the print and electronic media.
And certainly, I have no problem with him being black, actually, I have no problem with the fact that he will be our future president (not unless he screws up), but I do have a problem with being told for over a year that this had election nothing to do with race, but it was racist not to support him.
Where are the articles about conservative black American's (as part of a group, like a live theatre, or otherwise) who are not elated over his winning the election?
What we are seeing is a continuation of the total "padded" coverage about Obama, by the MSM. And this will go on and on in the months to follow. Problems with his administration will be minimized, and his accomplishments (real or imagined) will be "job one" on a daily and weekly basis.
I've noticed that many Obama supporters have not been able to yet separate themselves from their various Obama paraphernalia... tee shirts, buttons and hats. I can understand that a bumper sticker is a bit difficult to remove, but my goodness, at least take off the tee shirt long enough to wash the stink out of it.
We are seeing the beginnings of America's first political personality cult. It is the perfect storm of American Idol aspirations combined with MTV "quick cut" reportage and mass media's ability to address a eager and willing consumer market right down to the very core of our cell phones.
Walter L. Newton in Golden, Co.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:36am |
re: #774 callahan23
And all this on the anniversary of the infamous Kristallnacht?
/facepalm.
//posted a related spinoff link.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:17am |
re: #773 galloping granny
I am sorely afraid that blood is going to run in our streets long before this is over.
I'm more afraid that we're going to give in without a fight.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:33am |
re: #771 Bumr50
Plus the term "political terrorism" would perhaps resonate better with those yet to understand the tactics of the left.
Probably not. The term 'terrorism' is in danger of being diminished in value simply by overuse.
Want to read a true horror story? Go find "The Forsaken". It's a book about Americans that thought they were heading for Utopia when they left the U.S. for the USSR during the depression. Thousands and thousands ended up in the gulag.
Off for breakfast and the morning rags. Later.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:08am |
re: #777 Tigger2005
In the name of "ending partisan bickering."
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callahan23 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:56:45am |
re: #776 laZardo
And all this on the anniversary of the infamous Kristallnacht?
/facepalm.
//posted a related spinoff link.
Well the story broke some weeks ago in Germany but the article by Pajamas Media was posted today.
But you are right. It's eerie.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:09am |
re: #775 Walter L. Newton
We are seeing the beginnings of America's first political personality cult. It is the perfect storm of American Idol aspirations combined with MTV "quick cut" reportage and mass media's ability to address a eager and willing consumer market right down to the very core of our cell phones.
Walter L. Newton in Golden, Co.
Actually, we saw the beginnings a year or two ago. We saw the beginnings when we viewed that clip of the boys in the ObamaYouth group pledging allegiance to Obama. Let me name a few other people who have held power because of a personality cult -
Hitler
Mao
Pol Pot
and for good measure, just so the list is not entirely political -
Charles Manson
David Koresh
Jim Jones
I cannot think of a single good that has ever come from a personality cult.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:50am |
re: #777 Tigger2005
I'm more afraid that we're going to give in without a fight.
Not all of us will give in without a fight.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:02am |
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:42am |
re: #785 galloping granny
I know that I for one plan on being VERY unpopular in some circles and situations.
I will not be intimidated into keeping my perspective silent.
I'm stubborn German-Irish bastard like that.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:48am |
re: #772 Tigger2005
Friend I was chatting with last night hates Obama, but he said, "I'm not worrying about it anymore, time to move on" and "Nothing you can do about it now."
And I see it just the opposite way. My kids and I were discussing this at dinner last night. Little Winger said to me, "Mom - for the next four years this is our purpose - to remain ever vigilant and spread the cause of freedom. I'll fight overseas, you fight here at home."
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:03:33am |
re: #788 mama winger
And I see it just the opposite way. My kids and I were discussing this at dinner last night. Little Winger said to me, "Mom - for the next four years this is our purpose - to remain ever vigilant and spread the cause of freedom. I'll fight overseas, you fight here at home."
You're back. I've missed you. How's little?
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:04:50am |
I'm just looking at this book to fetch home from Amazon -
Hitler Youth: Growing Up in Hitler's Shadow
Some of you might want to consider it for the kiddos you know.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:41am |
re: #790 galloping granny
You're back. I've missed you. How's little?
Hey dere, granny! Nice to see ya !
He is getting ready for his next deployment in January. We are having our first Deployment Families get-together on Wednesday. Starting to gat all the paperwork in order and such. He will be back in Iraq sooner than I'd like to think - but he can't wait, of course. :)
Kids ...
:)
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:51am |
re: #786 Tigger2005
re: #785 galloping granny
For some reason I'm reminded of this recently-released video game.
The alien species that the player fights use a special virus that transforms infected enemies into their own kind. The main character is himself infected, however his body is temporarily resistant after being "inoculated" during an experimental government program that took place prior to the first game in the series. That does not mean he is completely immune.
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caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:07:07am |
Had a run-in with an Obamabot the other day at Costco. She was working one of those sample tables and asked us if we had voted. I answered in the affirmative and she asked if we had voted for THE ONE. I laughed a bit and said no, my wife said she wasn't a citizen and couldn't vote yet. This woman had a glazed, vacant expression on her face as she went on and on about how he was going to change things, how things were going to be wonderful now. She didn't look at us as she was saying this, she was looking at a point over my shoulder like she could see this brilliant, perfect, future utopia. My wife tried to explain to her about growing up in the USSR and how pretty much everything Obama was spewing was essentially just old platitudes translated out of it's original Sovietese. This woman was entirely clueless, she didn't just drink the kool-aid, she apparently was baptized in it and had a kool-aid IV for good measure. Scary stuff!
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:56am |
re: #788 mama winger
And I see it just the opposite way. My kids and I were discussing this at dinner last night. Little Winger said to me, "Mom - for the next four years this is our purpose - to remain ever vigilant and spread the cause of freedom. I'll fight overseas, you fight here at home."
Inspirational.
While my family all leans Republican and I'm pretty sure none of them voted Obama, some of them are the types who just don't care about politics and don't think it really affects them. Chatting with my niece the other night, she asked "What do you have against Obama anyway?" Now, her husband was for McCain and she wouldn't have voted for Obama (they couldn't vote because they hadn't registered yet since they moved), but she didn't really know anything about him. And even though she listened to what I had to say and I think I might have gotten her thinking about it a little, I'm sure one thing and another is going to chase it out of her mind sooner or later.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:56am |
re: #794 caliredst8r
Your wife's post the other day meant so much to me. I have sent it to many of my friends and family... Please tell her how valuable her post was to so many of us.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:10:38am |
re: #794 caliredst8r
That's scary.
It's all the more scary knowing that almost everyone has computer access yet they STILL refuse to look at history.
It is arrogance combined with ignorance.
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akak Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:11:01am |
They wanna convert 401k to Social Security managed?
/gotta go clean my gun
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:11:47am |
Good morning, Lizards. I'm going to post the Prayer List in a few minutes--any updates?
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caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:11:50am |
re: #796 mama winger
Thank you very much, I'll tell her. And thanks to everyone else too, she was very moved by everyone's kind comments. She could fill pages about her experiences and how similar they are to things Obama is proposing and saying.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:28am |
re: #795 Tigger2005
There are too many Americans who take freedom too casually. We will have to pick up the slack for them. Sad, but true.
Conservatives just have not done a good enough job educating people to the dangers of liberalism and fascism. We have to come up with a way to combat the crap that is being shoved down our throats by those in our educational institutions and by the media. I don't exactly know how we do that though.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:13:02am |
re: #799 goddessoftheclassroom
This is gonna sound egotistical coming from me...
Pray I don't get converted.
/if you know what I mean.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:13:47am |
re: #794 caliredst8r
Had a run-in with an Obamabot the other day at Costco. She was working one of those sample tables and asked us if we had voted. I answered in the affirmative and she asked if we had voted for THE ONE. I laughed a bit and said no, my wife said she wasn't a citizen and couldn't vote yet. This woman had a glazed, vacant expression on her face as she went on and on about how he was going to change things, how things were going to be wonderful now. She didn't look at us as she was saying this, she was looking at a point over my shoulder like she could see this brilliant, perfect, future utopia. My wife tried to explain to her about growing up in the USSR and how pretty much everything Obama was spewing was essentially just old platitudes translated out of it's original Sovietese. This woman was entirely clueless, she didn't just drink the kool-aid, she apparently was baptized in it and had a kool-aid IV for good measure. Scary stuff!
That is scary. Moreso because she was doing that at work. I would have complained to the store manager.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:00am |
re: #799 goddessoftheclassroom
Good morning, Lizards. I'm going to post the Prayer List in a few minutes--any updates?
Goddess - my stepbrother committed suicide the day after the election. This has been very hard on our family, but especially my stepfather who is elderly and has a bad heart. Could you add my stepfather to your list?
Thanks sweetie.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:16am |
Should have told her you were sorry her life had been so miserable up to now, and asked her why she didn't move to some other country that was more to her liking a long time ago.
re: #794 caliredst8r
Had a run-in with an Obamabot the other day at Costco. She was working one of those sample tables and asked us if we had voted. I answered in the affirmative and she asked if we had voted for THE ONE. I laughed a bit and said no, my wife said she wasn't a citizen and couldn't vote yet. This woman had a glazed, vacant expression on her face as she went on and on about how he was going to change things, how things were going to be wonderful now. She didn't look at us as she was saying this, she was looking at a point over my shoulder like she could see this brilliant, perfect, future utopia. My wife tried to explain to her about growing up in the USSR and how pretty much everything Obama was spewing was essentially just old platitudes translated out of it's original Sovietese. This woman was entirely clueless, she didn't just drink the kool-aid, she apparently was baptized in it and had a kool-aid IV for good measure. Scary stuff!
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:48am |
re: #800 caliredst8r
She could fill pages about her experiences and how similar they are to things Obama is proposing and saying.
She should.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:10am |
re: #800 caliredst8r
Thank you very much, I'll tell her. And thanks to everyone else too, she was very moved by everyone's kind comments. She could fill pages about her experiences and how similar they are to things Obama is proposing and saying.
Maybe you should encourage her to start filling pages. Even if she only posts online or you post the stuff here - assuming a publisher will be pretty hard to locate come Jan20.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:16:23am |
re: #798 akak
They wanna convert 401k to Social Security managed?
/gotta go clean my gun
They may try. They may get away with it. Who is going to stop them?
/while you clean your gun I'm cashing out my retirement funds...
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callahan23 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:07am |
re: #801 mama winger
... We have to come up with a way to combat the crap that is being shoved down our throats by those in our educational institutions and by the media. I don't exactly know how we do that though.
One way could be to support David Horowitz's Freedom Center. They do an 'The Campaign for Academic Freedom', might be a good place to start.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:10am |
re: #804 mama winger
Goddess - my stepbrother committed suicide the day after the election. This has been very hard on our family, but especially my stepfather who is elderly and has a bad heart. Could you add my stepfather to your list?
Thanks sweetie.
OH NO! {mama winger} I am SO sorry to hear that!
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:13am |
re: #797 Bumr50
That's scary.
It's all the more scary knowing that almost everyone has computer access yet they STILL refuse to look at history.
It is arrogance combined with ignorance.
Virtually everyone under 40 has been taught an erroneous view of history - sometimes completely rewritten - since their earliest days. Those of us who were parents to the near 40s mostly didn't notice. The near 40s who are parents to the new voters don't know any better.
They don't go look at history because they are sure they already know the correct version.
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DistantThunder Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:23am |
”The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” -- H. L. Mencken
The Poles were just imagining things...
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:31am |
re: #809 callahan23
One way could be to support David Horowitz's Freedom Center. They do an 'The Campaign for Academic Freedom', might be a good place to start.
Thanks for that link!
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:00am |
re: #810 littleoldlady
Thanks little. It was a shock, that's for sure.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:06am |
re: #804 mama winger
Goddess - my stepbrother committed suicide the day after the election. This has been very hard on our family, but especially my stepfather who is elderly and has a bad heart. Could you add my stepfather to your list?
Thanks sweetie.
I'm so sorry!
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:19:44am |
re: #815 galloping granny
Thanks granny.
We now have to go into his house in Chicago and clean it out and put it up for sale. I don't know how my stepfather will be able to handle it.
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:04am |
I am sorry to hear that Mama winger, my condolences go out to you and yours.
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Caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:33am |
re: #803 galloping granny
My wife doesn't want to shop there anymore, she was appalled by this woman, I thought it was kinda funny, and telling. So we're looking into joining BJ's, they seem cheaper anyway...lol
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:36am |
re: #804 mama winger
Goddess - my stepbrother committed suicide the day after the election. This has been very hard on our family, but especially my stepfather who is elderly and has a bad heart. Could you add my stepfather to your list?
Thanks sweetie.
WHAT? Good lord, mama, I'm so sorry.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:52am |
Thanks everyone for your thoughts and kind words. I appreciate it.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:21:45am |
Lizard Prayer List 11/9/08
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope
Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.
Thanksgivings
Dolphin: friend Stan. He had several compliations and infections (open heart surgery) but is now well on his way to recovery.
Pigtown Water Dog: "work project" and my animals.
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
turn: basal cell carcinoma (cancer) completely removed
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
realwest: recovered from dental issues
vxhush: husband recovering well from rotator cuff surgery
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Health issues:
Lizard’s grandson Griffin (and his parents) open-heart surgery and recovery
Knitwit: niece Elizabeth has a nasty MRSA infection after orthopedic surgery
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
Steve C: Baby Katie’s heart surgery
Typicalwhitey: father’s undergoing tests for pancreatic cancer
MNsnowlizard: Had open heart surgery in February (35 years old) and could be facing another one
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
doriangrey: friend Byran's brother be life flighted back to the US and that his life be saved
mikeymom: sister undergoing tests for some problems
RememberSekhmet: moderate depression; burned out at my job and looking for a new one
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
yma o hyd: dear friend Anne has a blood disorder
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
Dublic(CA)Dude - serious health issues
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Vxbush: waiting for results of tests for wheat allergy
MigueldowninMexico: recovering from stroke
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father back in the hospital
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
Tarkus289: father is in hospital; may have pneumonia after two strokes and stage 7 Alzheimer'
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain; facing another surgery
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
/cont'd
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:21:51am |
re: #804 mama winger
HFS... condolences to you and your loved ones...don't know what else to say.
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Caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:10am |
re: #805 Tigger2005
She may not realize there are other countries, she seemed to be under the impression that the USSR was in Berlin.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:18am |
Lizard Prayer List, cont'd:
Family, friend, and life situations:
Mama winger: family (especially stepfather) dealing with stepbrother’s suicide.
laZardo: strength of purpose
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom moving
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: finding answers and solutions
USMC1968’s family and friends: his passing
neocon hippie: grieving for big black kitty, Ripple
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Newsjunkie: loss of her dog
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Ausberger’s (mild autism)
HoosierHoops: 3/5th Marines deploying to Afghanistan in January (son Jordan is a platoon leader)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
Jcm: new 7-month-old foster daughter; best result for another foster daughter
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend’s passing
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Sarah: and her husband in the process of moving to Arizona for husband’s schooling
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Maximus: son reports for active duty in August.
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general
Community issues:
Our country going forward
Georgia/Ossetia
Those dealing with the hurricanes
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:22am |
re: #811 galloping granny
Virtually everyone under 40 has been taught an erroneous view of history - sometimes completely rewritten - since their earliest days. Those of us who were parents to the near 40s mostly didn't notice. The near 40s who are parents to the new voters don't know any better.
They don't go look at history because they are sure they already know the correct version.
The crazy thing is, what happened to kids rebelling against "The Establishment" and rejecting the "official history spoon-fed to them by those in authority"? The Left IS the Establishment now. Shouldn't the kids be rebelling against them?
But the problem is the Left has figured out how to neutralize that natural rebelliousness, or turn it to their advantage, so the youth don't turn against them.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:35am |
re: #826 Tigger2005
When the counter-culture is now the culture...what does that make the new counter-culture?
Us? Or perhaps the even-more-lunatic fringe using it as a stepping-stool?
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:39am |
Thanks Goddess - WOW
We have a lot of praying to do, eh? Let me get on that ...
bbl
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:24:04am |
re: #816 mama winger
Thanks granny.
We now have to go into his house in Chicago and clean it out and put it up for sale. I don't know how my stepfather will be able to handle it.
That is so hard. At least you do have Little there to lend some muscle.
We've been having an ongoing crisis with my Dad down in Florida. They had a housefire a couple of months ago - lost the house and everything in it. Moved into stepmother's daughter's spare house but they would not allow either rugs or Dad's walker, so he fell and broke his pelvis. In a rehab center. Last I heard he had contracted pneumonia. One of my sister's bought an RV because she was dropping a couple grand every three or four weeks going down to Florida to check on him. We all sure wish he would just let us move him home.
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Caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:24:58am |
re: #807 galloping granny
She's talked about it, but she's seems to think her English isn't that good. It's actually very good, and since she also speaks French her accent is more French than Russian. It's very cute!
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:25:05am |
re: #819 Caliredst8r
My wife doesn't want to shop there anymore, she was appalled by this woman, I thought it was kinda funny, and telling. So we're looking into joining BJ's, they seem cheaper anyway...lol
I love BJs. We've been members for some time. Was there just last week. I've also belonged to Sam's in past years. (There is not one of those here.) No experience with Costco though.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:25:44am |
re: #811 galloping granny
The "erroneous view" can only be corrected by MASSIVE curriculum reform. Mastery of factual information MUST come before conceptualization and differing perceptions. Public school teachers are against ANY mandated curriculum, at least around here. Not to mention they can still strike during the school year here. My districts been out two weeks now with no end in sight.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:26:36am |
re: #830 Caliredst8r
She's talked about it, but she's seems to think her English isn't that good. It's actually very good, and since she also speaks French her accent is more French than Russian. It's very cute!
If her English was too good then people would think it was a fake anyway. The kiddos Dad and other grands are Russian. They all speak English perfectly well. The kiddo wants to learn Russian though - specifically so she can understand when they switch to Russian in front of her. Annoys her to death.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:28:48am |
re: #826 Tigger2005
This is an interesting concept. I feel hip being a conservative. Seriously.
I'm hoping the concept that it's "passe" to care is becoming the norm, so that it'll soon get old.
I'm convinced that I can show people the truth.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:29:38am |
re: #832 Bumr50
The "erroneous view" can only be corrected by MASSIVE curriculum reform. Mastery of factual information MUST come before conceptualization and differing perceptions. Public school teachers are against ANY mandated curriculum, at least around here. Not to mention they can still strike during the school year here. My districts been out two weeks now with no end in sight.
I am SO glad we home school. And it isn't just the teachers you know. Essentially all textbooks in the US are written to the curriculums of California and Texas. Those two states are the biggest textbook purchasers by far. So, no matter where you live, whatever the California curriculum standards say will be what your children are subjected to.
I would love to start a list at Amazon of books I don't recommend. I suspect Amazon wouldn't like that much though. My shelf of too trashy to use so I won't sell it and don't believe in book burning gets larger by the month.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:29:53am |
re: #832 Bumr50
The "erroneous view" can only be corrected by MASSIVE curriculum reform. Mastery of factual information MUST come before conceptualization and differing perceptions. Public school teachers are against ANY mandated curriculum, at least around here. Not to mention they can still strike during the school year here. My districts been out two weeks now with no end in sight.
In what date do you live?
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Caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:30:45am |
re: #833 galloping granny
My daughter is determined to teach me Russian, I just can't get my tongue around it. Spokoynoy nochi (good night) sounds to me like spaghetti nacho, so our good night has become pasta nachos...lol
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eon Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:31:01am |
re: #812 DistantThunder
”The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” -- H. L. Mencken
The Poles were just imagining things...
"The trick to achieving absolute control of the nation is to convince the people to grant you extraordinary powers to deal with a crisis.
"To keep those powers, you simply create more crises as and when you need them."
-- Otto Von Bismarck
Good morning, Lizards.
(Good morning, littleoldlady, galloping granny)
And my continued prayers to you and yours, mama.
cheers
eon
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:31:07am |
re: #835 galloping granny
Wow...and people still think the history they get is too "white-washed?"
/white in both senses of the word...
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:31:13am |
re: #833 galloping granny
If her English was too good then people would think it was a fake anyway. The kiddos Dad and other grands are Russian. They all speak English perfectly well. The kiddo wants to learn Russian though - specifically so she can understand when they switch to Russian in front of her. Annoys her to death.
My brother and I speak French. We use it in front of my mother...
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BlueCanuck Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:32:43am |
Well time for me to log off. See you folks all later, and stay scaly.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:33:44am |
re: #826 Tigger2005
The crazy thing is, what happened to kids rebelling against "The Establishment" and rejecting the "official history spoon-fed to them by those in authority"? The Left IS the Establishment now. Shouldn't the kids be rebelling against them?
But the problem is the Left has figured out how to neutralize that natural rebelliousness, or turn it to their advantage, so the youth don't turn against them.
The current crop has been taught from the very day they could walk that there is NO TOLERANCE for a long list of things, starting with "hate speech" - that which is either politically incorrect, "insults" someone or differs from the collective point of view. They are sheep of the first order, not even allowed to think for themselves anymore. Even such things as individual writing or projects are passe in many classrooms - everything is done in and for the group. Individualism is not allowed - including individual excellence.
One idiot of a teacher went so far as to tell our kiddo that there is no such thing as intelligence. We all have exactly the same intelligence according to her.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:33:45am |
Courtesy of Robert E. Lang in Your text to link... Politico.
What a maroon. Can I get an angry feminist incensed at the insinuation that a parking space hunting woman is more easily related to that a moose hunting woman?
Oh wait. We're talking Sarah Palin. I forgot.
/sarc
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:35:24am |
re: #837 Caliredst8r
My daughter is determined to teach me Russian, I just can't get my tongue around it. Spokoynoy nochi (good night) sounds to me like spaghetti nacho, so our good night has become pasta nachos...lol
Have you tried Rosetta Stone?
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rightside Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:36:20am |
re: #844 Bumr50
After you click ok to adding the link, you will see the words highlighted "Your text to link here". Simply replace those words with what you want it to read, and that's it.
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littleoldlady Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:14am |
eon! :-)
See ya, BlueCanuck!
/singing like that might be another matter altogether...
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:27am |
re: #844 Bumr50
What I do is highlight the text and click the chain icon just to the top-right of the text field to create the link, and follow the instructions. For example...
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eon Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:54am |
re: #826 Tigger2005
The crazy thing is, what happened to kids rebelling against "The Establishment" and rejecting the "official history spoon-fed to them by those in authority"? The Left IS the Establishment now. Shouldn't the kids be rebelling against them?
But the problem is the Left has figured out how to neutralize that natural rebelliousness, or turn it to their advantage, so the youth don't turn against them.
The "logic" is that "we rebelled against the Evil Establishment, and we won. Since we are inherently The Good Guys, there is no more need for rebellion. Now is the time for obedience."
The scary part is how many otherwise-rational people fall for this false dichotomy. They fail to see the fallacy that just because one side is "evil", the other is automatically "good".
My favorite method of explaining how wrong this hypothesis is consists of asking, "So, since you believe LBJ was evil personified (most "68ers" do, absolutely), then by definition, Nixon was a good guy, right?"
Never try to use the USSR under Stalin and Germany under A. H. in this way, though. They all believe Uncle Joe was just misunderstood.
Have to run. Have a great day, Lizards.
cheers
eon
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:38:16am |
re: #842 galloping granny
Does anyone else find it ironic that the same people that beat creationists over the head with Darwin seem to absolutely loathe competition in anything else but nature?
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Caliredst8r Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:38:22am |
re: #845 galloping granny
Hmm, no, I'll have to look into it. I really like her parents and it would be nice to be able to talk with them without a translator.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:39:24am |
re: #839 laZardo
Wow...and people still think the history they get is too "white-washed?"
/white in both senses of the word...
That they do Lazardo. I've learned to go over virtually every book that comes into the house - and I buy several hundred a year - with a fine-toothed comb before I make it available to the kiddo and her friends. The latest to fall is a perfectly lovely book about the Panama Canal. Great job - until you learn that all the deaths of those working on the canal were due to the institutional racism of the US. Mosquitos apparently had nothing to do with it - or if they did, the black workers were not protected from them. Not a single word about Gorgas' near miracle in obliterating yellow fever and containing malaria. Not a single stinking word!
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goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:40:56am |
re: #842 galloping granny
The current crop has been taught from the very day they could walk that there is NO TOLERANCE for a long list of things, starting with "hate speech" - that which is either politically incorrect, "insults" someone or differs from the collective point of view. They are sheep of the first order, not even allowed to think for themselves anymore. Even such things as individual writing or projects are passe in many classrooms - everything is done in and for the group. Individualism is not allowed - including individual excellence.
One idiot of a teacher went so far as to tell our kiddo that there is no such thing as intelligence. We all have exactly the same intelligence according to her.
Send her a copy of "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:42:49am |
re: #851 Caliredst8r
Hmm, no, I'll have to look into it. I really like her parents and it would be nice to be able to talk with them without a translator.
Rosetta Stone is expensive but it has a primo reputation as a language learning tool. It uses the immersion method, which is how I learned both Spanish and German. In other words you learn to think in those languages, not translate what you want to say into them.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:44:57am |
Good morning, people.
You know, in reality, Obama is NOT really the "president elect" yet. He is the PRESUMPTIVE president elect (and presumptuous). He will not be the president elect until the Electoral College does its job, I think, on December 12.
Good, if sad, piece by Peter Hitchens, "The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth," [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:46:13am |
re: #854 goddessoftheclassroom
Diana Moon Glampers.
I can't wait for the Obama "Secretary of Fairness" head of the "Fairness Department."
Or something like that.
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:46:18am |
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:45am |
re: #855 Bumr50
I know that sounds harsh, but all I see is constant provocation. And to what end?
What else is there but either concession or blows?
I don't understand where they come from, if not there.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:54am |
re: #855 Bumr50
Does all this end with a race war?
I don't know but it sure looks more and more like American whites are the Jews of WWIII. The real b*** of the thing is that when the US took over the Panama Canal in 1903, there were numerous groups right here in New England that had all the disadvantages the author claimed for the black Canal workers - substandard slum housing, low pay, dead end jobs with no hope of betterment, lousy schooling for their kids, crap medical care compared to their neighbors. They were mill workers, nearly all white. Those injustices had nothing to do with black or white.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:12am |
re: #852 galloping granny
Hot damn...and I actually learned that it had more to do with malaria because they (i.e. the FRENCH) were building in the middle of a freaking rainforest. By eliminating or minimizing the 'malaria' cause it prevents all but the really inquisitive from checking into who developed the efforts against malaria in the first place.
Hell, even Wikipedia still has a more reliable history than that!
The only 'institutionalized' racism around that time I could understand though was the stuff that happened after "the P.I." got sold to them following the Spanish-American war. "Little Brown Brothers," "Kill Everyone Over Ten" and all that.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:31am |
re: #859 The Other Les
Sorry if I offended! Your moniker got me thinkin' is all!
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legalpad Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:54am |
re: #850 Bumr50
Does anyone else find it ironic that the same people that beat creationists over the head with Darwin seem to absolutely loathe competition in anything else but nature?
Are you talking about leftists? Leftists loathe competition?
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:50:18am |
re: #794 caliredst8r
The scene in Life of Brian where the mob lynches the hermit (Terry Jones) immediately comes to mind here.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:50:34am |
re: #864 legalpad
In the marketplace. In schools. In employment. Where else is there? The sack?
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:51:12am |
re: #857 nonic
Good morning, people.
You know, in reality, Obama is NOT really the "president elect" yet. He is the PRESUMPTIVE president elect (and presumptuous). He will not be the president elect until the Electoral College does its job, I think, on December 12.
Good, if sad, piece by Peter Hitchens, "The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth," [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
It already has all the signs of such a thing. The newspapers which recorded Obama’s victory have become valuable relics. You may buy Obama picture books and Obama calendars and if there isn’t yet a children’s picture version of his story, there soon will be.
My brother actually wants to have Obama's victory picture on a local major newspaper - which was important enough to actually have a spread even over the headline piece - framed.
/it always hits hardest at home...
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Pete-billy Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:15am |
Good day all !
President-elect Barack Obama's private conversation with Poland's president created an international disagreement Saturday, with President Lech Kaczynski saying Mr. Obama promised to continue a missile-defense system and the transition office saying the Democrat made no such commitment.
Read the whole story : Obama, Polish president at odds on call
This is a Joke right?
I guess East Europeans got the message: Now you are on your own.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:54:01am |
re: #867 laZardo
I wonder what your brother has painted on his "blank canvas."
That must be difficult for you.
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legalpad Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:54:41am |
re: #866 Bumr50
In the marketplace. In schools. In employment. Where else is there? The sack?
I'll take that as a yes. You know, there are people who are not leftists who "bash creationists over the head with Darwin."
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:55:31am |
re: #866 Bumr50
I take it back. Leftists like competition when the results can be disputed. Kind of like "judged" sporting events.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:56:17am |
re: #850 Bumr50
Does anyone else find it ironic that the same people that beat creationists over the head with Darwin seem to absolutely loathe competition in anything else but nature?
Please, let's not have this stuff. I'm an atheist and accept evolution. The Left is a broad spectrum of people, and I would say the vast majority of them are believers of one kind or another who, even if they accept evolution (and many reject it, especially "primitivists") feel that there was some kind of spiritual force behnd it.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:09am |
re: #857 nonic
Good morning, people.
You know, in reality, Obama is NOT really the "president elect" yet. He is the PRESUMPTIVE president elect (and presumptuous). He will not be the president elect until the Electoral College does its job, I think, on December 12.
Good, if sad, piece by Peter Hitchens, "The night we waved goodbye to America... our last best hope on Earth," [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
Dear G_d!
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:18am |
re: #868 Pete-billy
Good day all !
President-elect Barack Obama's private conversation with Poland's president created an international disagreement Saturday, with President Lech Kaczynski saying Mr. Obama promised to continue a missile-defense system and the transition office saying the Democrat made no such commitment.
Read the whole story : Obama, Polish president at odds on call
This is a Joke right?
I guess East Europeans got the message: Now you are on your own.
Like I said the other day - he isn't even officially the president elect yet and has already taken over. Bush might as well resign and leave town this very day and leave Husseini to it.
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:36am |
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:59:54am |
#868 Pete- billy
"This is a Joke right?"
None of this is funny -- although I admit I keep trying to make light of it, at least in front of my kids.
I predict that Obama is going to be a DISASTER in every context, to everyone, everywhere.
I pray I'm wrong. But...
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Joan Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:59:55am |
re: #43 gmsc
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
-Groucho Marx
hooray! hooray!
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:00:20am |
re: #869 Bumr50
Thing is he's not political otherwise. But he does intend to take photography or music production in college, and one of his favorite books is one of those Aliens-created-earth sort of things.
What has got me really discouraged post-election is that the in-crowd around where I live...and at least have experienced since I was a kid - were really into these sort of things. Even in my former high school, one of the more affluent kids went to China for MUN and came back clutching the Little Red Book (though most of the others thought it was in jest.)
It makes me feel...to find a word...powerless.
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:01:03am |
re: #870 legalpad
I firmly believe in evolution, but extend my love of competition as a fine and fair solution to most things in life.
I'm not, however, going to tell people how to define themselves spiritually. Creationism should not be taught in the public schools. It should not, however, be assailed as a type of blasphemy from any legal standpoint.
True separation requires me to look at mind and spirit separately.
By "bashing" I simply mean trying to eliminate creationism altogether, rather than accepting it as a religious belief that has no place in the classroom.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:01:32am |
re: #876 nonic
#868 Pete- billy
"This is a Joke right?"
None of this is funny -- although I admit I keep trying to make light of it, at least in front of my kids.
I predict that Obama is going to be a DISASTER in every context, to everyone, everywhere.
I pray I'm wrong. But...
Why are you trying to make light of it in front of your kids nonic? Aren't they entitled to truth from you - of all people, you? Being your children, do you think they are not aware of and share some of your political views? Do you think they might not be just as or even more worried than you?
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:29am |
re: #875 The Other Les
Your "whatever" post confused me is all. It's not difficult. Ask my girlfriend.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:30am |
re: #876 nonic
#868 Pete- billy
"This is a Joke right?"
None of this is funny -- although I admit I keep trying to make light of it, at least in front of my kids.
I predict that Obama is going to be a DISASTER in every context, to everyone, everywhere.
I pray I'm wrong. But...
But the important thing is, we elected an African American President! It's historic! The world likes us again and no longer thinks we're a bunch of unsophisticated backwoods cowboy racist uncouth hicks! Maya Angelou can be proud of her country!
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:03:31am |
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:04:21am |
re: #882 Tigger2005
But the important thing is, we elected an African American President! It's historic! The world likes us again and no longer thinks we're a bunch of unsophisticated backwoods cowboy racist uncouth hicks! Maya Angelou can be proud of her country!
We did not elect an American Black president and I really wish people would stop pretending that we did. If we had done so, I might celebrate that as historic. Obama, though is specifically not an American Black. His black roots are entirely in Kenya. His American roots are white - and slave owning. He has nothing whatever in common with the Black American experience of anyone of any generation.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:04:54am |
re: #884 galloping granny
We did not elect an American Black president and I really wish people would stop pretending that we did. If we had done so, I might celebrate that as historic. Obama, though is specifically not an American Black. His black roots are entirely in Kenya. His American roots are white - and slave owning. He has nothing whatever in common with the Black American experience of anyone of any generation.
Please don't pester me with facts!
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:10:37am |
I have come to the conclusion that this was not really an election of a president, for the people, by the people, of the people. This was the phenomenon of a movement way, way, way bigger than, and totally unrelated to, a mere American presidential election.
That was the mistake (but how could we have known) made by people like most here who fretted and were even OUTRAGED by the proferring of such a totally inadequate and even subversive candidate. Most of us --- racism not even remotely a consideration -- thought we were talking about the election of a man who could and should be measured by his achievements, policies, philosophy, and position on issues.
But the other side was promoting and supporting an IMAGE --- race very, very, very much of it --- of a hoped-for future, a cool and hip "sophistication," a balancing of power between the haves and have-nots, a DREAM fulfilled, and more, all of it fuzzy and blurry and totally impractical. Which is WHY you couldn't even talk to most Obama supporters. We weren't talking the same language or about the same thing.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:11:25am |
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legalpad Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:11:46am |
re: #879 Bumr50
I agree with this. Although I don't know the context where it would be mentioned in the classroom, unless it be a class on religion. But they do seem to feel threatened by creationists, like they want them to stop talking or thinking. I always suggest to them that they should just explain what they think is best without attempting to silence others.
But by "silencing" I don't mean that anybody can talk about anything anytime. For example, if I was teaching Physics, I wouldn't want someone to get up and monopolize my limited classroom time with a different subject. That would not mean that I would want to keep them from expressing their ideas altogether.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:12:34am |
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:12:52am |
re: #888 nonic
I think that the Anti-Bush image was another dominating factor. Not since Nixon has an American name been given such a damning connotation.
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legalpad Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:14:22am |
re: #884 galloping granny
Obama's white ancestors owned slaves?
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:15:27am |
Brb, late dinner.
I should definitely take time off of LGF...if only so I can ease off my paranoia fixes...
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Joan Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:01am |
re: #826 Tigger2005
The crazy thing is, what happened to kids rebelling against "The Establishment" and rejecting the "official history spoon-fed to them by those in authority"? The Left IS the Establishment now. Shouldn't the kids be rebelling against them?
But the problem is the Left has figured out how to neutralize that natural rebelliousness, or turn it to their advantage, so the youth don't turn against them.
they own Cool
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:12am |
I don't do it for the money
There's bills that I can't pay
I don't do it for the glory
I just do it anyway
Providing for our future's my responsibility
Yeah I'm real good under pressure
Being all that I can be
I can't call in sick on Mondays
When the weekend's been too strong
I just work straight through the holidays
Sometimes all night long
You can bet that I stand ready
when the wolf growls at the door
Yeah I'm solid, yeah I'm steady
Hey I'm true down to the core
And I will always do my duty
No matter what the price
I've counted up the cost
I know the sacrifice
Oh and I don't wanna die for you
But if dying's asked of me
I'll bear that cross with honor
Cause freedom don't come free
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Pete-billy Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:32am |
re: #892 Bumr50
I think that the Anti-Bush image was another dominating factor. Not since Nixon has an American name been given such a damning connotation.
I agree , the Anti-Bush factor played one big role on this election and explain well the worldwide celebrations when the result was clear who's the next POTUS.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:52am |
re: #887 laZardo
So? Most whites were slave-owning way back when.
/ half?
Not even close. Not even in the South.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:18:39am |
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:22am |
re: #899 galloping granny
I meant "half-sarc?" It wouldn't be that hard to understand though...heck, I even remember that definitely mentioned in my US history books (probably in late HS-community college though).
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The Other Les Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:41am |
re: #888 nonic
I just posted a reply in a Role Playing Game forum to a British Leftoid who wasn't getting it:
Originally Posted by Andrew Boulton
>Someone, please, tell me WTF is scary about him.
I should think that being a Chicago Democrat would be sufficient.
Being a Harvard indoctrinated Leftist affirmative action case who hangs out with Marxist and Islamic terrorists and overtly Anti-American members of the clergy should give a rational person cause for pause.
Systematically advocating nostrums that have been proven harmful when tried in other nations. That's simply stupid.
Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change and a desire to base policies on that belief. In reality the Terran biosphere exists within a dynamic universe and is affected by forces greater than Human action. The Universe doesn't care about what we do in it.
Peace activism. That is simply the political equivalent of being an asshole who tells a rape victim to lay back and enjoy it.
And the personality cult. That really bothers me to no end. The visit of Die Grosse NULL to Berlin was clearly disturbing to say the least.
Hope this helps.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:20:01am |
re: #901 laZardo
Possible PIMF, "that being mentioned" = "most whites weren't plantation owners."
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Bumr50 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:20:47am |
re: #889 mama winger
Thanks for the reminder! I work at LJS and we attract a significant number of our Greatest Generation. I'll be sure to give props.
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legalpad Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:25:19am |
re: #900 galloping granny
Wow - that's weird. And his balck ancestors were not slaves.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:27:00am |
#880 granny
My kids are men: 2 of them married, ages 31 and 28, and 3 others ages 26, 24, 22.
We discuss and have discussed politics all through the campaign. All except for one son, the 28-year-old, who was an Obama supporter.
They get "the truth" from me (and me from them) certainly. Except for that one, because I insist family is first and I don't want politics coming between us.
BUT I "make light of" Obama's election -- make jokes about it, tell them "this too shall pass," tell them I saw LBJ elected, and Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton, and the world continued to spin around. BECAUSE I don't want them to be bitter or depressed.
The job young people have is to make their lives and contribute to making the world. They can't do that if they are bitter or depressed.
It's just a question of perspective and balance. I try to encourage them to be philosophical. That's all I meant by "make light of." :-)
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Joan Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:27:14am |
re: #892 Bumr50
I think that the Anti-Bush image was another dominating factor. Not since Nixon has an American name been given such a damning connotation.
We let it happen.
We need to honor him even with his mistakes--if the Democrats can circle the wagons around Bill Clinton, we should do the same for W
But of course we won't
We never strike down the leftist rewrites of history, or their mythologies and twisted narratives. Because it is exhausting, a war of nerves, ultimately confrontational and dangerous to one's reputation.
Early on, years ago, a young grad student who was living for free in my home (temporarily, emergency basis) had the nerve to shout at me in my own kitchen "Bush is a War Monger!" in front of my then 11 year old child.
Her mind was totally controlled by a university indoctrination into leftist dogma, her mediocrity and rage were a thing to behold. She moved on shortly afterwards, and I've never forgotten how conditioned she was. A nice girl, sunny, fun loving, a bit ditzy--totally possessed in the Dostoevsky sense of that word.
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little doxie Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:28:06am |
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bp sf Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:29:10am |
Good Morning all.
Mama Winger, I am so looking forward to Tuesday morning; Fifth Avenue in New York City in all our Glory!
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:29:21am |
re: #910 little doxie
{ThankYou} Never Forget
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Sorry if this was posted already.
I love that song. Thank you.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:29:44am |
re: #903 laZardo
Possible PIMF, "that being mentioned" = "most whites weren't plantation owners."
And not even all plantation owners were "evil." Let's take the case of General Robert E. Lee, grandson of Lighthorse Harry Lee, to whom we can tip our hat for a big part of our Revolutionary War win. Married to Martha Custis, grandchild of George and Martha Washington. The Custis plantation, the one where the Lees eventually came to reside, is known as Arlington. Today it is a national cemetery.
The Lees did not believe in slavery - not any more than the Custis's or George and Martha themselves. George and Martha quite regularly took the best prepared of their servants (none of these folks referred to their people as "slaves") up to Philadelphia or New York, where they remained long enough to accidentally forget that they had been out of Virginia long enough to be legally free. Next trip the Washingtons would bring a few more servants to set up in a free life. The Lees were big supporters of the nation of Liberia, set up by US Whites as a home for blacks wishing to return to Africa along with those rescued by our Navy from slaveships off the African coast. (The USS Constitution and Constellation were both involved in that effort.) Some of their people were set up in new lives in Liberia. Some were freed in the North - specificaly at least one family in Pennsylvania. Despite laws prohibiting it, General Lee's wife and his daughters regularly taught every single child on the plantation to read.
Evil? I don't think so. Robert E. Lee and his family did more for American blacks than any abolitionist I can think of.
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Galroc Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:30:05am |
re: #200 DesertSage
I sent this to my wife and she had no problem reading it on her iPhone because it was so small. Besides squinting, just move away from the monitor until it gets very small and then it gets easy to read.
PS. I wish there was an iPhone/Mobile version of this web site.
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:30:06am |
re: #911 bp sf
Good Morning all.
Mama Winger, I am so looking forward to Tuesday morning; Fifth Avenue in New York City in all our Glory!
New York City has a Veterans Day parade? Awesome!
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:30:48am |
re: #908 nonic
#880 granny
My kids are men: 2 of them married, ages 31 and 28, and 3 others ages 26, 24, 22.
We discuss and have discussed politics all through the campaign. All except for one son, the 28-year-old, who was an Obama supporter.
They get "the truth" from me (and me from them) certainly. Except for that one, because I insist family is first and I don't want politics coming between us.
BUT I "make light of" Obama's election -- make jokes about it, tell them "this too shall pass," tell them I saw LBJ elected, and Jimmy Carter, and Bill Clinton, and the world continued to spin around. BECAUSE I don't want them to be bitter or depressed.
The job young people have is to make their lives and contribute to making the world. They can't do that if they are bitter or depressed.
It's just a question of perspective and balance. I try to encourage them to be philosophical. That's all I meant by "make light of." :-)
Ah - my apologies nonic. I have "kids" that age too.
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BBEV Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:31:21am |
Good Mornin all
I think this song is appropriate for most of us here.
Frank Sinatra
My Way
And now, the end is near, and so I face, the final curtain.
My friend, I'll say it clear,
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain.
I've lived, a life that's full, I've traveled each and every highway.
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Regrets, I've had a few, but then again, too few to mention.
I did, what I had to do, and saw it through, without exemption.
I planned, each charted course, each careful step, along the byway,
and more, much more than this,
I did it my way.
Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew,
When I bit off, more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up, and spit it out.
I faced it all, and I stood tall,
and did it my way.
I've loved, I've laughed and cried,
I've had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside, I find it all so amusing.
To think, I did all that, and may I say --- not in a shy way,
"Oh no, oh no not me,
I did it my way".
For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things, he truly feels,
And not the words, of one who kneels.
The record shows, I took the blows ---
And did it my way!
I did it my way.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:05am |
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jemima Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:17am |
re: #888 nonic
I have come to the conclusion that this was not really an election of a president, for the people, by the people, of the people. This was the phenomenon of a movement way, way, way bigger than, and totally unrelated to, a mere American presidential election.
People don't want to be free. They don't know what to do with freedom. That was fine when they wound up being couch potatoes but there is something in man that craves G-d. So having a dislike bordering on hatred for all things religious, these shallow souls glommed onto Barry who was the perfect needy psychologically dysfunctional individual who wants to be "g-d on earth". (GOE, that works for me.)
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Sharmuta Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:19am |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton
You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...
I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.
But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...
"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."
For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.
Does he ever have a lot of nerve to accuse you of lying, when he posted on his own blog he was still looking into the matter, yet telling you privately he wasn't. The man has lost all credibility.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:35am |
Good morning all y'all - from a cold (38 effin' degrees when I woke up, booming all the way up to 65 today!) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:34:28am |
#882 Tigger
"But the important thing is, we elected an African American President! It's historic! The world likes us again and no longer thinks we're a bunch of unsophisticated backwoods cowboy racist uncouth hicks! Maya Angelou can be proud of her country!"
Maybe you were being ironic, maybe not.
But *I* wish we had elected a black president who was the best person (male or female) for the job, a true "hero," not just a charlatan demagogue who may, in fact, be a very great danger to us and to the world.
Because I'm one of those persons (we DO exist) for whom race is irrelevant -- not the POINT of the whole thing, which I suspect is the case when anyone celebrates "Yay! yay! We elected a BLACK president!"
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little doxie Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:36:13am |
Thank you to all who serve, have served, family and friends of those who
serve. We.Owe.You:):):)
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mama winger Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:36:31am |
re: #922 realwest
Good morning all y'all - from a cold (38 effin' degrees when I woke up, booming all the way up to 65 today!) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
Good morning realwest ! We posted a few songs for all our Veterans here this morning, just up a few posts. Enjoy :)
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BBEV Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:37:05am |
re: #922 realwest
Good morning all y'all - from a cold (38 effin' degrees when I woke up, booming all the way up to 65 today!) but bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing today?
Good morning Real . My internet was down for over a week and man it's good to be back.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:43:22am |
#892 Bumr
You are right. And there were other factors: anti-age regarding McCain, anti-female re Palin, anti-non-elite re Palin, and just plain flat-out stupid-ass ignorance regarding the economy. And other factors as well, such as voter fraud. But I'm talking about the BIG PICTURE, particularly as it was reflected back at us from abroad.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:44:57am |
re: #894 legalpad
Obama's white ancestors owned slaves?
Betcha anything his muslim ancestors owned slaves! Ha!
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:50:23am |
re: #922 realwest
Sorry y'all - computer went on the fritz again.
And since Charles has already put up a new thread I reckon I'll see you all over there (the Good Lord Willing and the Creek Don't Rise!).
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:50:32am |
re: #922 realwest
Feeling real empty inside. That and paranoia...maybe if I don't leave LGF altogether I really need to take some time off it because what gets suggested here is really causing me to shiver.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:52:25am |
re: #929 laZardo
CONFEDERATE General Robert E. Lee?
Before General Robert E. Lee was the commander of the Confederate Army, he was General Robert E. Lee, Commander of West Point. Yes, that one.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:53:29am |
re: #932 galloping granny
So...how did he end up defending slavery despite his personal convictions against it?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:57:42am |
re: #933 laZardo
So...how did he end up defending slavery despite his personal convictions against it?
Duty. Duty to his home state, which he saw as a stronger, closer bond than the one to the federal government.
Morning all... Granny, the ACW thread didn't go all night, did it? Golly!
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:00:32am |
re: #933 laZardo
So...how did he end up defending slavery despite his personal convictions against it?
As I understand it (hopefully granny will confirm or refute), it was because he saw his first loyalty being to the State of Virginia. I've always had trouble with that, because it seems to me to have been a terrible, terrible price to pay for political loyalty, as "honorable" as it may have seemed then.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:01:49am |
re: #932 galloping granny
Before General Robert E. Lee was the commander of the Confederate Army, he was General Robert E. Lee, Commander of West Point. Yes, that one.
Actually, R.E. Lee was a full colonel in the US Army at the time resigned. He was Commandant of West Point (earlier) but was not actually a general when he was.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:02:32am |
re: #934 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Duty. Duty to his home state, which he saw as a stronger, closer bond than the one to the federal government.
Morning all... Granny, the ACW thread didn't go all night, did it? Golly!
But SO MUCH death and destruction. Surely sometimes there must be a duty to stand down?
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:03:21am |
re: #933 laZardo
So...how did he end up defending slavery despite his personal convictions against it?
As I have written here repeatedly, the Civil War was not understood at the time to be all about slavery. It was about who held the power - the individual states or the federal government. Remember that at the time the Constitution was written each and every one of those 13 colonies plus the nation of Vermont was a completely different place - different founding principles, different religions, different nationalities sometimes.
Lee chose to side with his neighbors, his state, his family rather than some central power in Washington who wanted to give outsiders more say over what happened in his state that those who lived there. That war, BTW, isn't over yet.
Lee was not defending slavery. He what he saw as the right of self-determination.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:04:38am |
re: #937 nonic
But SO MUCH death and destruction. Surely sometimes there must be a duty to stand down?
Defending one's home from what you consider a tyranny can be worth a bloody cost... besides, almost everyone (except that crazy man Sherman :-) thought the "war" would be quick and bloodless. One battle and it would be over, etc.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:06:58am |
re: #936 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Actually, R.E. Lee was a full colonel in the US Army at the time resigned. He was Commandant of West Point (earlier) but was not actually a general when he was.
My apologies. Something else: Lee was not the only US military officer to resign by a very long shot. In the South, the eldest son inherited the land - period. Sons who were not eldest went into law or politics or the military. A huge chunk of our military officers were from the South. (Still were as recently as Vietnam.)
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:07:01am |
re: #938 galloping granny
Though Strom Thurmond did gain infamy for defending segregation as "states' rights," but I do get what you're saying.
/reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Apu gets naturalized citizenship, the test-administrator tells him "Just say slavery."
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:07:54am |
re: #938 galloping granny
As I have written here repeatedly, the Civil War was not understood at the time to be all about slavery. It was about who held the power - the individual states or the federal government. Remember that at the time the Constitution was written each and every one of those 13 colonies plus the nation of Vermont was a completely different place - different founding principles, different religions, different nationalities sometimes.
Lee chose to side with his neighbors, his state, his family rather than some central power in Washington who wanted to give outsiders more say over what happened in his state that those who lived there. That war, BTW, isn't over yet.
Lee was not defending slavery. He what he saw as the right of self-determination.
Bingo! Perfect analysis.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:08:34am |
re: #939 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Defending one's home from what you consider a tyranny can be worth a bloody cost... besides, almost everyone (except that crazy man Sherman :-) thought the "war" would be quick and bloodless. One battle and it would be over, etc.
Seen that way, THEN, I suppose so. But now it makes such heart-breaking history.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:10:40am |
re: #940 galloping granny
My apologies. Something else: Lee was not the only US military officer to resign by a very long shot. In the South, the eldest son inherited the land - period. Sons who were not eldest went into law or politics or the military. A huge chunk of our military officers were from the South. (Still were as recently as Vietnam.)
A lot of very brave, honorable, and noble men laid everything on the table when they chose to defend their homes in that war.
Men who are now slapped with a one-size-fits-all smear "supported slavery" now and their memory is denied to people today.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:11:07am |
re: #943 nonic
Seen that way, THEN, I suppose so. But now it makes such heart-breaking history.
They thought so, too.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:11:52am |
re: #937 nonic
But SO MUCH death and destruction. Surely sometimes there must be a duty to stand down?
Nonic, I just finished "pre-reading" a book I am using for our studies of WWI starting Wednesday - The Yanks Are Coming (Marrin.) The sheer numbers of men lost in some of those battles blew my mind. Half a million men gone in a single week - over and over.
Some things are worth defending - always.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:14:23am |
re: #896 Joan
they own Cool
I keep watching Reagan's 1964 "A Time for Choosing" speech. And one thing I keep thinking is, "That man was so damned cool."
Handsome.
Tall.
Lean. Built. Filled out a suit nicely.
Eloquent.
Firm.
Principled.
Courageous.
Intelligent.
Independent.
Ferocious defender of individual liberty.
His own man.
The quintessential American.
That is "cool."
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:14:45am |
Help me understand how his country got through 4 years of Carter. I was in utero.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:16:14am |
re: #944 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
A lot of very brave, honorable, and noble men laid everything on the table when they chose to defend their homes in that war.
Men who are now slapped with a one-size-fits-all smear "supported slavery" now and their memory is denied to people today.
Sad - because some of them, like Robert E. Lee, are some of this nation's greatest heroes.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:16:48am |
Great, just effin' great - I assume everyone's going over to the new thread Charles put up and missed a big deal conversation about the Civil War - my 3rd best subject as an American History Major in college and of which I have written a few very minor articles!
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:16:55am |
re: #945 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
They thought so, too.
I should really learn more about the Civil War. I don't know much, but I've always felt that there was something odd or not quite right about the North refusing to allow the South to move on if they so wished less than a century after the 13 colonies had done the very same thing.
Also, as regards slavery, wasn't that "peculiar institution" on its way out anyway, as mechanization was moving even into agriculture?
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:17:09am |
re: #948 NYCHardhat
Help me understand how his country got through 4 years of Carter. I was in utero.
whose country? Or do you mean this country?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:17:21am |
re: #948 NYCHardhat
Help me understand how his country got through 4 years of Carter. I was in utero.
Day by day. We went on with our lives.
/Granny, is that Yanks are Coming book written for kids or an actual history of the time? I looked on Amazon and couldn't tell for sure.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:18:10am |
Goldman forecasting biggest rise in joblessness since WWII
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The unemployment rate is expected to rise to 8.5% by the end of next year and inch even higher in early 2010, economists for Goldman Sachs wrote Friday. The cumulative trough-to-peak increase of more than 4 percentage points in the jobless rate would be the most since World War II, they said. Goldman analysts lowered growth forecasts for the next three quarters, and said they now expect the Federal Reserve to cut its interest rate target to 0.50% by December. "The main reason for these changes is the accumulation of evidence that U.S. domestic demand and production are dropping sharply," they wrote. "We do not see a resumption of anything close to trend growth before 2010."
And if we get the big spending/tax increases being talked about by the Democrats, it will be longer than that.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:19:02am |
The reason why I ask is that Obama just backed down on the missile defene system in Poland and such. There will be four years of this I assume.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:20:11am |
re: #951 nonic
Not necessarily... plantation owners figured out that mechanization i.e. the cotton gin + slavery = even greater output.
Unfortunately, it seemed it made the Confederacy too dependent on cotton to make it a viable economy after it separated.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:20:27am |
re: #950 realwest
There's still time, Real... let 'er rip!
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:20:35am |
re: #946 galloping granny
Nonic, I just finished "pre-reading" a book I am using for our studies of WWI starting Wednesday - The Yanks Are Coming (Marrin.) The sheer numbers of men lost in some of those battles blew my mind. Half a million men gone in a single week - over and over.
Some things are worth defending - always.
WWI. Oh, I know. I feel the same "blown away" way you do. But, if you will allow me a "but," those were "enemies" who could be de-personalized, "foreigners," not fellow countrymen.
You know about the "live and let live" ad-hoc policies of the various armies? That's covered in the video series that I'm watching that you said you ordered. :-)
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Gray Skies Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:21:00am |
Could it be narcissistic personality disorder? The following takes some time to read, but it is fascinating.
[Link: www.faithfreedom.org...]
re: #138 Adina in Judea
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:21:23am |
re: #940 galloping granny
My apologies. Something else: Lee was not the only US military officer to resign by a very long shot. In the South, the eldest son inherited the land - period. Sons who were not eldest went into law or politics or the military. A huge chunk of our military officers were from the South. (Still were as recently as Vietnam.)
That's why there was so much racism from people besides the drill sergeants and the army was segregated until after World War II!
/Gunny-rants still make me ROFL.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:23:00am |
re: #948 NYCHardhat
Help me understand how his country got through 4 years of Carter. I was in utero.
It was a very tough time. There was a sense of a dismal future. High unemployment, high inflation, no answers from the existing ruling elite other than it was our fault (I reference Carter's Malaise speech written by Chris Matthews) , the MSM beating up on Republicans for Watergate all the time, every two-bit dictator around the world going after our embassies and President Carter wanting to be their friends.
They were dark days.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:23:02am |
granny
And actually, the British, German, French, Italian, and Russians ALL had to contend with mutinies by enlisted men who did NOT believe that fighting the Kaiser's or the Czar's war was worth it.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:23:19am |
re: #961 laZardo
Tell me you didn't just smear all Southerners as racists...
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:23:19am |
re: #951 nonic
Good morning nonic - say, if you'd like a really thorough and comparatively unbiased view of the U.S. Civil War, find, buy or rent the VHS or better yet DVD of Ken Burn's Documentary "The Civil War" - WARNING- it is about 13 hours long altogether (though nicely broken up into one or one and a half hour segments).
Some nuggets from that:
a) over 95% of the men who fought for the Confederacy never owned slaves;
b) more than half of the men who fought for the Confederacy were in fact in competiton for work with slaves;
c) The North called it the "Civil War"; the South called it "The War Between The States" and
d) From the South and from Lincoln's POV, the war was NOT about slavery AT ALL, but about whether or not the United States of America could remain or should remain United.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:24:10am |
re: #953 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Day by day. We went on with our lives.
/Granny, is that Yanks are Coming book written for kids or an actual history of the time? I looked on Amazon and couldn't tell for sure.
It is written for middle and high school students but Vet, it is probably the single best thing I have ever read about WWI. Accurate for the most part (Marrin is a history professor) and the author has a real talent for making you understand the way things were. I was impressed enough that I just ordered his books about Stalin and Hitler too.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:24:19am |
re: #913 galloping granny
Evil? I don't think so. Robert E. Lee and his family did more for American blacks than any abolitionist I can think of.
Only in the sense that the traitor scum stupidly ordered Pickett's Charge, thus leading eventually to the total destruction of the slave owning South.
Robert E. Lee? The only reason he didn't dance Danny Deever was political expedience. Had he stayed in the uniform of the country that paid for his education, the war would have ended in two years. Imagine, please, Robert E. Lee at the head of the Army of the Potomac.
I see that our apologist contingent is playing horse hockey again today. ((shakes head in disbelief))
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:24:39am |
re: #948 NYCHardhat
Help me understand how his country got through 4 years of Carter. I was in utero.
We were just strong enough to survive him. We still had lots of Americans of the WW2 generation to hold the line on things.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:24:47am |
re: #955 3 wood
Hi my friend - glad to see you came back here! Uh, is there any reason at all, given Goldman's performance over the last two years, that we should believe them?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:25:53am |
re: #966 galloping granny
It is written for middle and high school students but Vet, it is probably the single best thing I have ever read about WWI. Accurate for the most part (Marrin is a history professor) and the author has a real talent for making you understand the way things were. I was impressed enough that I just ordered his books about Stalin and Hitler too.
I'll give it a look. Thanks!
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:26:24am |
re: #963 nonic
granny
And actually, the British, German, French, Italian, and Russians ALL had to contend with mutinies by enlisted men who did NOT believe that fighting the Kaiser's or the Czar's war was worth it.
We didn't though, did we? The British, Germans, French, Italians and Russians were all fighting some overlord's war, not THEIR war. That is the difference between them and us. In America - alone in all the world - the power to rule is given by the people to the government. Everywhere else, individual rights are bestowed by the government on the people if they care to do so.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:27:18am |
re: #962 3 wood
I guess we can expect the same in the next four years. The one phrase I hear over and over is "buckle up, it's gonna be a bumpy ride."
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:29:12am |
re: #967 Arkay With no respect intended at all, your ignorance of Robert E. Lee, Pickett's Charge and the Civil War in general is absolutely staggering in it's enormity.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:29:25am |
re: #967 Arkay
Only in the sense that the traitor scum stupidly ordered Pickett's Charge, thus leading eventually to the total destruction of the slave owning South
Give this a read and it will change your opinion of what happened in those three days. Aside from the warning flares that will go up because of the title, the author is a long time park ranger and makes a great case that Lee didn't operate under a three day brain fart. Not really an apologist, just looking at "why" he did what he did.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:30:12am |
re: #957 laZardo
Not necessarily... plantation owners figured out that mechanization i.e. the cotton gin + slavery = even greater output.
Unfortunately, it seemed it made the Confederacy too dependent on cotton to make it a viable economy after it separated.
Yeah, but, you know, slavery wasn't free. By that time, constitutionally, slaves could no longer be imported, so they had to be bred or bought from someone who bred them. That meant years of relative uselessness. They had to be fed, housed, and clothed. Even if those responsibilities were left to them themselves, it still required resources from the "master," resources that couldn't be put to other, productive use.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:30:30am |
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:31:00am |
re: #964 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Tell me you didn't just smear all Southerners as racists...
Actually, I think he just smeared the entire US Army as racist. LaZardo is young. He's probably never heard of the 5th Massachusetts or the Buffalo Soldiers that defended our Western frontier.
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unclassifiable Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:31:08am |
re: #968 Tigger2005
When we got double digit inflation you just got used to spending you money as soon as you made it.
Gold was about the only investment that seemed to work in such an economic environment -- I just wasn't making enough to really invest much less pay the food and rent.
The American auto industry got so messed up that it seemed that the entire state of Michigan was living under bridges around Houston.
A bunch of ragtag "students" seemed to have our national psyche on its knees.
And then we elected Reagan.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:32:38am |
re: #965 realwest
Good morning nonic - say, if you'd like a really thorough and comparatively unbiased view of the U.S. Civil War, find, buy or rent the VHS or better yet DVD of Ken Burn's Documentary "The Civil War" - WARNING- it is about 13 hours long altogether (though nicely broken up into one or one and a half hour segments).
Great suggestion. The tune Burns uses as a theme song throughout the whole thing is Ashokan Farewell. Many people think it dates back to the Civil War era. Acutally, it was written and recorded by a guy named Jay Ungar in the 1980's and is still alive today. He tells the story that he was leaving a week long music festival in Ashokan New York, was depressed that the fun was ending, and so sat down with his fiddle when he got home and wrote the saddest song he could think of.
Ken Burns heard it on a later CD by Ungar and got the rights to use it in his documentary.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:32:43am |
re: #975 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Not to mention that Robert E. Lee was a staff assistant to President Jefferson Davis after he rejected Lincoln's offer to command the Union Army.
It took Davis a while to recognize what Lincoln had known from the start: Robert E. Lee was the best LEADER of large forces in the Union Army when Lincoln offered him command of what was to become known as the Army of the Potomac.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:33:40am |
re: #968 Tigger2005
We were just strong enough to survive him. We still had lots of Americans of the WW2 generation to hold the line on things.
And the difference was, back then, all we had to do was wait him out. He was just an ordinary man, just an ordinary politician. People voted for him because he seemed nice and folksy and uncorrupted, a Washington outsider, but they certainly didn't vote for him as a Messiah. The press was still making an effort to be balanced back then. And he played by the rules. He was doomed.
We don't have the luxury of just waiting out Obama. We have to tirelessly and actively oppose and battle back against his agenda at every turn, or he will stack the deck, change the playing field. He will not play fair. He will play dirty and ugly, with the full cooperation of the MSM, academia, legal goons, ACORN, Brownshirt supporters, and foreign money. The disasters of his administration will all be blamed on others. There will be scapegoats galore. The press will not criticize him.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:34:10am |
re: #969 realwest
Hi my friend - glad to see you came back here! Uh, is there any reason at all, given Goldman's performance over the last two years, that we should believe them?
They have some very good analysts. If anything, I think their estimate will be low, with the results of the election.
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unclassifiable Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:34:14am |
re: #965 realwest
Did you read Shelby Foote's trilogy "The Civil War -- A Narrative"?
I really enjoyed it.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:34:26am |
re: #976 nonic
Yeah, but, you know, slavery wasn't free. By that time, constitutionally, slaves could no longer be imported, so they had to be bred or bought from someone who bred them. That meant years of relative uselessness. They had to be fed, housed, and clothed. Even if those responsibilities were left to them themselves, it still required resources from the "master," resources that couldn't be put to other, productive use.
And then there is the entire question of just exactly who was the "slave" - the "property" growing cotton in Virginia who got medical care and housing/food equivalent to most of the poor white neighbors or the 8 year old mill girl in Lowell, MA, or North Pownal, Vermont, working for a couple bucks a week, barefoot in the cold? Property has value. Mill girls were disposable.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:34:59am |
re: #978 galloping granny
I said there was a sarc tag. I probably just forgot the quotes I've become used to using for those moonbat moments as well.
Not that I would be surprised if they were waaa~y back when though. It was the societal norm back then.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:35:02am |
Well…it looks like a number of situations which are going to develop fast and furious and none of them are good.
Most are aware the Russian’s call for the EU to dump the ‘Trans-Atlantic Alliance’ in favor of a Russian-EU Security Pact. I’m not going to dwell on the issue but only point-out that this ‘pact’ was a Security & Economic agreement and had been discreetly proposed to number of German industrial & political leaders a month after the Georgian invasion for a two-fold purpose; first, as an open proposal to break Germany away from the EU - knowing full well Fwance, the older states would follow - and second; if Germany declined the initial proposal, to solicit select input on the proposal, one which could be presented to the EU on whole - the linked story. Neither the issue nor proposal were turned-down, only deferred, and will be taken-up again mid-December by the EU.
A day after our election al-Guardian presented, Putin suggests Russia, China ditch US dollar in trade deals but more important is today’s U.S., EU split on finance summit agenda - to get right to the heart of the matter:
French President Nicolas Sarkozy called for concrete action, saying after the Brussels meeting he was "not going to take part in a summit where there is just talk for talk's sake. ... We want to change the rules of the game in the financial world."
[…]
White House press secretary Dana Perino, in a statement Saturday, said the Bush administration was "pleased that European leaders, in a statement released yesterday, recognized the importance of coordinating responses to the financial crisis.""We agree with European leaders on the importance of identifying common principles to guide reforms, setting out a process to implement those principles promptly, and proceeding with actions on certain reforms immediately," she said.
Although removing the dollar from its role as the world's sole reserve currency is not on the EU's official agenda, Mr. Sarkozy called for that on his own: "The time when we had a single currency, one line to be followed, that era is over."
It's pretty clear where this is headed and Obummer...well...
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:35:13am |
re: #968 Tigger2005
We were just strong enough to survive him. We still had lots of Americans of the WW2 generation to hold the line on things.
Decades of heavy immigration is going to change all that now, you know. :-(
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:35:48am |
re: #982 Tigger2005
And the difference was, back then, all we had to do was wait him out. He was just an ordinary man, just an ordinary politician. People voted for him because he seemed nice and folksy and uncorrupted, a Washington outsider, but they certainly didn't vote for him as a Messiah. The press was still making an effort to be balanced back then. And he played by the rules. He was doomed.
We don't have the luxury of just waiting out Obama. We have to tirelessly and actively oppose and battle back against his agenda at every turn, or he will stack the deck, change the playing field. He will not play fair. He will play dirty and ugly, with the full cooperation of the MSM, academia, legal goons, ACORN, Brownshirt supporters, and foreign money. The disasters of his administration will all be blamed on others. There will be scapegoats galore. The press will not criticize him.
Well said.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:37:08am |
re: #973 NYCHardhat
I guess we can expect the same in the next four years. The one phrase I hear over and over is "buckle up, it's gonna be a bumpy ride."
Very much so.
Also, look for an all out effort to ban conservative thought/talk radio under the guise of a civil rights issue.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:37:40am |
re: #980 3 wood WOW. Something I never knew before - and I thought it was an old Civil War era song - thank you very much for that.
As he said in the YouTube video, every time I hear it, it brings tears to my eyes too. Over 600,000 American men died in the Civil War. 600,000 - in less than four full years. Hell there were battles where more American men were killed than in the 11 years of Vietnam.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:38:36am |
re: #990 3 wood
The (un)Fairness Doctrine. Tell me how is that not 1984?
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BBEV Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:38:52am |
I have a stack of news papers from back in the civil war, there are letters form the solders on each front page, I have not read then in a long time.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:39:50am |
#971 granny
Well, actually, the mutinies were before the US got into the war. And I'm not up to the episode yet which explains why and how we ever DID get into that war. So far, I don't see any reason why we should have.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:40:20am |
re: #967 Arkay
Only in the sense that the traitor scum stupidly ordered Pickett's Charge, thus leading eventually to the total destruction of the slave owning South.
I have actually walked the entire battlefield at Gettysburg and can readily understand every move Lee made. Under the circumstances and the information he had at the moment, I believe they were the correct moves.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:40:25am |
re: #988 nonic
Decades of heavy immigration is going to change all that now, you know. :-(
And not just the immigration. If anything our legal immigrants often remember tough times themselves and how to survive them. That was the real strength during the Carter years. Virtually everyone had either grown up during the Depression or was the child of someone who did. Depression-Era survivors could patch it up, wear it out and make it do until you got blood from a rock - even if they did not have to. And lots of us my age learned from them just how to do it.
I'll tell you one thing. To this day, no matter how much money I have or don't, what makes me feel secure is knowing that I have enough food in the pantry and cupboards and cellar to get my family through an entire winter if I have to.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:40:56am |
Your nick is quite appropriate for the developing situation.
re: #987 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Well…it looks like a number of situations which are going to develop fast and furious and none of them are good.
Most are aware the Russian’s call for the EU to dump the ‘Trans-Atlantic Alliance’ in favor of a Russian-EU Security Pact. I’m not going to dwell on the issue but only point-out that this ‘pact’ was a Security & Economic agreement and had been discreetly proposed to number of German industrial & political leaders a month after the Georgian invasion for a two-fold purpose; first, as an open proposal to break Germany away from the EU - knowing full well Fwance, the older states would follow - and second; if Germany declined the initial proposal, to solicit select input on the proposal, one which could be presented to the EU on whole - the linked story. Neither the issue nor proposal were turned-down, only deferred, and will be taken-up again mid-December by the EU.
A day after our election al-Guardian presented, Putin suggests Russia, China ditch US dollar in trade deals but more important is today’s U.S., EU split on finance summit agenda - to get right to the heart of the matter:
It's pretty clear where this is headed and Obummer...well...
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:42:15am |
re: #994 nonic
#971 granny
Well, actually, the mutinies were before the US got into the war. And I'm not up to the episode yet which explains why and how we ever DID get into that war. So far, I don't see any reason why we should have.
We got into the war because the Germans blew up the Lusitannia and there were a whole lot of Americans on board.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:43:48am |
re: #998 galloping granny
We got into the war because the Germans blew up the Lusitannia and there were a whole lot of Americans on board.
That was 1915. Tempers were stoked, yes, but it was the Zimmermann Telegraph in 1917 that broke the proverbial camel's back.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:44:17am |
re: #992 NYCHardhat
The (un)Fairness Doctrine. Tell me how is that not 1984?
It absolutely is.
As I have been posting here for several days now, you have to understand how the Chicago Machine works. I dealt with them for decades, and I still know most of these people personally.
They are not interested in finding common ground, dealing with issues, bipartisanship or understanding your concerns.
They are interested in absolute power and driving the opposition into the ground and obliterating them.
They did it to the Republican party in Illinois (aided by their friends in the MSM here like Mary Mitchell), and there intent now is to do it in Washington and nationwide.
The Republicans here tried to get along with them and they got destroyed.
Just bear that in mind going forward.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:45:06am |
re: #987 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Well…it looks like a number of situations which are going to develop fast and furious and none of them are good.
Most are aware the Russian’s call for the EU to dump the ‘Trans-Atlantic Alliance’ in favor of a Russian-EU Security Pact. I’m not going to dwell on the issue but only point-out that this ‘pact’ was a Security & Economic agreement and had been discreetly proposed to number of German industrial & political leaders a month after the Georgian invasion for a two-fold purpose; first, as an open proposal to break Germany away from the EU - knowing full well Fwance, the older states would follow - and second; if Germany declined the initial proposal, to solicit select input on the proposal, one which could be presented to the EU on whole - the linked story. Neither the issue nor proposal were turned-down, only deferred, and will be taken-up again mid-December by the EU.
A day after our election al-Guardian presented, Putin suggests Russia, China ditch US dollar in trade deals but more important is today’s U.S., EU split on finance summit agenda - to get right to the heart of the matter:
It's pretty clear where this is headed and Obummer...well...
They had best be careful. We are the biggest consumers in the world and provide a huge chunk of the world's food supply - a chunk Russia cannot make up. If our economy goes down the tubes in a hand basket China loses their biggest market and Russia loses their supermarket. Instantly.
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:45:37am |
re: #50 spidly
with all the revisions going on it probably looks more like a stooges argument..."wadda think yer doin'...bonk..HEY...slap...OW...why I oughta..."
site is down because curley is on the floor doing the nyuk nyuk circle run
LMAO - upding.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:46:21am |
re: #1001 3 wood
It absolutely is.
As I have been posting here for several days now, you have to understand how the Chicago Machine works. I dealt with them for decades, and I still know most of these people personally.
They are not interested in finding common ground, dealing with issues, bipartisanship or understanding your concerns.
They are interested in absolute power and driving the opposition into the ground and obliterating them.
They did it to the Republican party in Illinois (aided by their friends in the MSM here like Mary Mitchell), and there intent now is to do it in Washington and nationwide.
The Republicans here tried to get along with them and they got destroyed.Just bear that in mind going forward.
Going along to get along against your principles is always a very bad idea.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:47:09am |
re: #996 galloping granny
It depends on where the immigrants came from. I know some Eastern Europeans and South Koreans. They're industrious and independent. But I don't think all immigrants are necessarily looking to WORK their way up.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:48:35am |
re: #1004 galloping granny
Yeah, I'm not one for compromise.
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abolitionist Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:49:00am |
Feds won’t prosecute Former NY Gov Spitzer
Disgraced former Gov. Eliot Spitzer escaped prosecution yesterday for a sensational hooker scandal that forced him to resign, despite admitting to investigators - and for the first time publicly - that he was a john of the Emperors Club VIP.
[snip]Spitzer - who resigned on March 12 after 14 turbulent months in office - was spared the added humiliation of trial after a “thorough investigation” by the IRS and FBI found no evidence he misused public or campaign cash, the feds said.
...found no evidence... -- that seems to be policy.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:50:47am |
re: #984 unclassifiable
Indeed I have read it. And in the Ken Burns documentary, Shelby Foote gave the single best short take on why we had the Civil War - after a typical bloody battle somewhere in Virginia, 5 Union soldiers were walking through the now totally bare trees, clearing the battlefield, so to speak.
While doing so, they chanced upon a Southern Soldier who was shot up very badly and was clearly dying - and he was struggling to raise his rifle to shoot at them! They gently took away the rifle and looked him over - he was beyond medical help - waaay beyond medical help and one of those soldiers (three of them wrote of this incident in their personal diaries) asked him "You're badly wounded and will probably die; you're clothing is really not much more than the same rags you have on your feet instead of boots, why did you try to shoot us? You're clearly not a slaveholder, why did you try to shoot us?" And with what were his dying words, the Southern soldier replied "Cause Y'all are down here."
For MOST Southerner's the war was in fact about State's Rights, NOT about Slavery.
Oh and btw, the most horrible riots EVER TO OCCUR IN NYC HISTORY were in July of 1863, after the Emancipation Proclamation, when THOUSANDS of White (mostly Irish immigrants or 1st generation Irish Americans) refused to be drafted to go fight and possibly die "for the Ni**Er's." Well over a thousand people were seriously hurt in those riots and something like 115 or so died in those riots.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:50:53am |
re: #995 3 wood
I have actually walked the entire battlefield at Gettysburg and can readily understand every move Lee made. Under the circumstances and the information he had at the moment, I believe they were the correct moves.
The battle was lost at three moments:
1) Ewell and Early's joint decision to not storm Cemetery Hill on the 1st.
2) Hood's wounding on the 2nd.
3) The inability to follow-up Anderson's and Avery's lodgements on Cemetery Hill and ridge on the evening of the 2nd.
Of them, Hood's wounding was, I think, the key. When he was hit, he was the controlling commander of the advance of Longstreet's corps along the Emmitsburg Road. Command devolved to Law, who had already started movements to the right and into the maw of the Round Tops (a place Lee did not need or want to fight for), and as a result Hood's division drifted off to the right and got mauled there.
McLaws ended up attacking "forward" (east) instead of north-east along the road as planned trying to maintain contact with Hood. While clobbering 3rd Corps (something Hood should have been doing), he was unable to support the attack on Cemetery Ridge.
Anderson was left to go there on his own... and actually took a portion of the top of the ridge. Imagine the difference if the corps attack was coordinated with all three divisions (probably less a battered Hood, which would have used itself up attacking 3rd Corps).
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:51:01am |
re: #1005 nonic
It depends on where the immigrants came from. I know some Eastern Europeans and South Koreans. They're industrious and independent. But I don't think all immigrants are necessarily looking to WORK their way up.
I don't think that either. I just think that quite some few of them happen to remember how to survive hard times in a way that our younger generations cannot even begin to comprehend. People under 30 in this country for the most part don't have a half a clue what deprivation is - even those who came up relatively poor.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:51:23am |
re: #991 realwest
Hundreds of thousands of men were killed in one battle in one day during WWI.
I honestly believe understanding the history of WWI greatly explains European psychology today.
Even General Petain of Vichy infamy, knowing what he went through at Verdun and in the mutinies explains a lot.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:52:47am |
Well, one part of the economy is going "great guns".
Obama win triggers run on guns in many stores
PHOENIX (Reuters) - Sales of rifles, pistols and ammo are surging in parts of the United States, as many gun owners fear President-elect Barack Obama's administration may seek to tighten ownership of certain weapons.
"The day after the election, I had many more calls than usual from people looking for semi-automatic rifles," said David Greenberg, the owner of the Second Amendment Family Gun Shop, in Bisbee, Arizona, who sold out of AR-15 rifles in recent days.
"There seems to be a fear they will be banned, and it's fairly likely," he added. "Obama and Biden are driven to eliminate firearms from the face of the country."
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committed Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:53:11am |
I am amazed at all the fawning over Obama. I've read an article this morning that says white comics will have difficulty finding material about Obama because he is so perfect. I think I'm going to be sick.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:54:50am |
re: #987 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Good morning my friend! Uh, quite frankly, Putin's Russian economy if anything is worse than ours. And China's economy is going south faster than ours is.
I agree Obama will be a horrid President, but we are fortunate that most of our enemies are hurting worse than we are.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:55:11am |
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:55:25am |
re: #1013 committed
I am amazed at all the fawning over Obama. I've read an article this morning that says white comics will have difficulty finding material about Obama because he is so perfect. I think I'm going to be sick.
Don't worry. White comics won't be making jokes about The Hussein because to do so will land them in jail. He won't be putting up with what President Bush has put up with.
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nonic Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:55:46am |
re: #982 Tigger2005
Another difference.
Mutually assured destruction deterred Russia.
It would only incite Iran.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:56:14am |
re: #1014 realwest
Good morning my friend! Uh, quite frankly, Putin's Russian economy if anything is worse than ours. And China's economy is going south faster than ours is.
I agree Obama will be a horrid President, but we are fortunate that most of our enemies are hurting worse than we are.
And we still hold the two biggest cards in the world: we buy and we own the food supply.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:56:15am |
re: #1009 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Anderson was left to go there on his own... and actually took a portion of the top of the ridge. Imagine the difference if the corps attack was coordinated with all three divisions (probably less a battered Hood, which would have used itself up attacking 3rd Corps).
I had at least 5 family members there at the time on the Union side. One of them was with the 20th Maine on Little Round Top. Their diaries and written recollections are a very interesting read.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:57:56am |
re: #1011 nonic
Hundreds of thousands of men were killed in one battle in one day during WWI.
I honestly believe understanding the history of WWI greatly explains European psychology today.
Even General Petain of Vichy infamy, knowing what he went through at Verdun and in the mutinies explains a lot.
WWII really isn't anything but a continuance of WWI. Even Hitler. I've always read about Hitler's Storm Troopers as one example. Except they were not Hitler's Storm Troopers, they were the Kaiser's Storm Troopers - right down to the same exact uniform.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:58:41am |
re: #1019 3 wood
I had at least 5 family members there at the time on the Union side. One of them was with the 20th Maine on Little Round Top. Their diaries and written recollections are a very interesting read.
I had a couple of great grandfathers there. Both killed in the same battle on the third day. One wore Confederate gray and the other Yankee blue.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:59:26am |
re: #1013 committed
I am amazed at all the fawning over Obama. I've read an article this morning that says white comics will have difficulty finding material about Obama because he is so perfect. I think I'm going to be sick.
I think the biggest problem for the MSM and the comics will be finding conservatives to demonize, which is what they've done.
No way they will make fun of their Lord and Savior Obama given his ethnicity.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:59:47am |
re: #1019 3 wood
I had at least 5 family members there at the time on the Union side. One of them was with the 20th Maine on Little Round Top. Their diaries and written recollections are a very interesting read.
Very cool. My family of German mutts got here after the war. Not too sure about my mother's cajun LA history.
I've found only two people in the Civil War with my last name... one was an LT in a Missouri (Union) artillery battery. Mentioned once in the OR, never to be seen again. The other was on a card in the prisoner card file at Andersonville.
Not sure if they were the same guy or if they (he?) were even relations.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:01:20am |
re: #1022 3 wood
Chocolate News with David Alan Grier promises to be the Daily Show was to the Bush years.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:02:56am |
re: #995 3 wood
Indeed. IF J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry had done what it was supposed to do (and probably would have accomplished but for the leadership of a VERY young LT.Col. in the Union Cavalry, named George Armstrong Custer) then the battle would indeed have ended in a Confederate Victory and possibly recognition of the C.S.A. by England and France and possibly Spain.
And England at the time, desperate for our Cotton, still had a bigger, more powerful Navy than did the Union Navy and could have broken the blockade.
However, the same day that Lee lost at Gettysburg, the South also lost at Vicksburg, so the prospect of England and France recognizing the C.S.A. would still have been dicey at best.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:03:37am |
re: #1021 galloping granny
I had a couple of great grandfathers there. Both killed in the same battle on the third day. One wore Confederate gray and the other Yankee blue.
Sorry to hear that. All of mine got through Gettysburg intact.
One of my relatives was an original 90 soldier for Lincoln, stayed in for the duration and was in almost all the nasty battles, Antietam, Gettysburg, Cold Harbor, Fredricksburg, both Bull Runs, and got theough just fine.
After the war he mustered out, took his pay and heads west.
Fall of 1865 he was killed in the Kansas area by a fall off his horse.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:04:57am |
re: #1026 3 wood
Sorry to hear that. All of mine got through Gettysburg intact.
One of my relatives was an original 90 soldier for Lincoln, stayed in for the duration and was in almost all the nasty battles, Antietam, Gettysburg, Cold Harbor, Fredricksburg, both Bull Runs, and got theough just fine.
After the war he mustered out, took his pay and heads west.
Fall of 1865 he was killed in the Kansas area by a fall off his horse.
Funny how that works out sometimes, isn't it? I once knew a guy who did three tours in Nam, came through without a scratch, got hit by a truck on Main Street less than a week after he left the service.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:05:31am |
re: #1023 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
The other was on a card in the prisoner card file at Andersonville.
I have several buried at Andersonville. Over all I've traced about 125 ancestors who were in the War between the States.
35 never made it home.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:05:50am |
Except they were not Hitler's Storm Troopers, they were the Kaiser's Storm Troopers - right down to the same exact uniform.>
Actually, the Kaiser's Storm Troopers wore feldgrau - 'field grey' (a sort of mud color). Nazi Storm Troopers wore tan uniforms intended for the Kaiser's colonial troops, of course for which there was no need after 1914. The Nazi Party got the uniforms pretty much for a song* from army surplus.
*Horst Wessel, of course. :-/
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:06:28am |
re: #1014 realwest
I agree Obama will be a horrid President, but we are fortunate that most of our enemies are hurting worse than we are.
Very true. Venezuela is falling apart too.
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unclassifiable Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:07:27am |
re: #1008 realwest
It's very conflicting as a Southerner where only 1/2 of the family was even here during the Civil War. Southern valor and bravery was remarkable but it was for a lot of dishonorable reasons that the "States Rights" issue was pressed.
The other thing that struck me throughout Foote's book was the depiction of Lincoln. More than just a few parallel's to G. W. Bush.
On last note, I read the whole thing while I was at home suffering from MRSA (drug-resistant staph) in my knee. I was very close to amputation and I could only imagine what the battlefield hospital conditions were like during the Civil War.
Privately funded health care saved me.
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committed Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:08:03am |
re: #1024 NYCHardhat
Chocolate News with David Alan Grier promises to be the Daily Show was to the Bush years.
I'll believe it when I see it.
There's a wealth of comedy from his gaftastic run for the Presidency. But you're right. Making fun of him will be seen as racist.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:08:38am |
re: #1024 NYCHardhat
Chocolate News with David Alan Grier promises to be the Daily Show was to the Bush years.
I'll believe it when I see it.
Not a chance. I'm sure they are getting measured for cheer leading skirts and pom-poms right now.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:09:16am |
IIRC Hitler's storm troopers did not have that cliched pointer-thingy on their helmets.>
It would have been redundant... :-/
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:09:36am |
re: #1029 Arkay
Except they were not Hitler's Storm Troopers, they were the Kaiser's Storm Troopers - right down to the same exact uniform.>
Actually, the Kaiser's Storm Troopers wore feldgrau - 'field grey' (a sort of mud color). Nazi Storm Troopers wore tan uniforms intended for the Kaiser's colonial troops, of course for which there was no need after 1914. The Nazi Party got the uniforms pretty much for a song* from army surplus.
*Horst Wessel, of course. :-/
All looks the same in a black and white picture from the times.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:10:11am |
re: #1025 realwest
I think the value of Stuart's cavalry would have been most profound if he was with the army before the battle. Making the tentative movements of the 1st decisive in a much clearer intel picture of the Union situation.
I'm less convinced that his cavalry would have had anything more than a marginal influence once the armies were engaged.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:10:12am |
re: #1035 Arkay
IIRC Hitler's storm troopers did not have that cliched pointer-thingy on their helmets.>
It would have been redundant... :-/
Neither did the Kaiser's. That was what drew my eye to the pics - the helmet.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:10:37am |
re: #1025 realwest
Indeed. IF J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry had done what it was supposed to do (and probably would have accomplished but for the leadership of a VERY young LT.Col. in the Union Cavalry, named George Armstrong Custer) then the battle would indeed have ended in a Confederate Victory and possibly recognition of the C.S.A. by England and France and possibly Spain.
And England at the time, desperate for our Cotton, still had a bigger, more powerful Navy than did the Union Navy and could have broken the blockade.
However, the same day that Lee lost at Gettysburg, the South also lost at Vicksburg, so the prospect of England and France recognizing the C.S.A. would still have been dicey at best.
It was one of the few times that I am aware of the Lee went into battle nor 100% sure of where the opposition was and how stiong they were.
Antietam was another time.
In both those battles Lee got beat up pretty good.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:11:14am |
re: #1002 galloping granny
Granny, we did not understand the doctrine of warfare as applied against our forces in Iraq, however, we had - and for a short while still have - a strong President which afforded us the time to find the solution along with the assets to put the correct doctrine into place.
With Obummer the dynamic's have drastically changed. ...and from my perspective I can't say for the better.
re: #1014 realwest
Good morning my friend! Uh, quite frankly, Putin's Russian economy if anything is worse than ours. And China's economy is going south faster than ours is.
I agree Obama will be a horrid President, but we are fortunate that most of our enemies are hurting worse than we are.
Mornin bud. Unfortunately, what your pointing-out are the primary causes of very real concern.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:11:38am |
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:11:50am |
re: #1037 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I'm less convinced that his cavalry would have had anything more than a marginal influence once the armies were engaged.
I agree. Lee used the cavalry as a scouting arm.
Stuart left him blind when he went off on his raid.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:11:53am |
Only when it's Republicans in unity with Democrats. Never the other way around. They proved that for the past eight years. Against Bush no matter what. And, despicably, against our troops.
Obama, a Democrat who won a decisive victory against Republican John McCain in Tuesday's election to become the first black U.S. president as of January 20, vowed to seek unity.
He noted Republican President George W. Bush and first lady Laura Bush had invited Obama and his wife Michelle to the White House on Monday and that the Bushes had offered to do all they could to help with Obama's transition.
"This speaks to a fundamental recognition that here in America we can compete vigorously in elections and challenge each other's ideas, yet come together in service of a common purpose once the voting is done," Obama said in the Democratic Party's weekly radio address.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:13:00am |
re: #1033 committed
Probably not from a black comedian though.
Yeah...that sounds racist, it's just that I was reminded of Chris Rock's famous sketch.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:14:05am |
re: #1040 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Granny, we did not understand the doctrine of warfare as applied against our forces in Iraq, however, we had - and for a short while still have - a strong President which afforded us the time to find the solution along with the assets to put the correct doctrine into place.
With Obummer the dynamic's have drastically changed. ...and from my perspective I can't say for the better.
re: #1014 realwest
Mornin bud. Unfortunately, what your pointing-out are the primary causes of very real concern.
If I were in the military I am sorely afraid that I would be looking for any reason to get out as fast as possible. Obama is going to devastate our military in a way that will make what Carter did look like a cake walk. And those few who are left are going to be faced with a nasty choice between their duty to uphold the Constitution and the orders of their "commander in chief."
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:15:06am |
re: #1029 Arkay
Actually, the Kaiser's Storm Troopers wore feldgrau - 'field grey' (a sort of mud color). Nazi Storm Troopers wore tan uniforms intended for the Kaiser's colonial troops, of course for which there was no need after 1914. The Nazi Party got the uniforms pretty much for a song* from army surplus.
I have a German Mauser bayonet from WWI that my paternal Grandfather liberated in hand to hand one night on patrol in NO Man's Land.
The original owner was not in any condition to object.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:16:40am |
Re: The Fairness Doctrine:
The Fairness Doctrine has been strongly opposed by prominent libertarians and conservatives who view it as an attempt to regulate or mandate certain types of speech on the airwaves. Editorials in The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Times have said that Democratic attempts to bring back the Fairness Doctrine have been made largely in response to and contempt for the successes of conservative talk radio.[19] [20]On August 12, 2008, FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell stated that the reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine could be intertwined with the debate over network neutrality (a proposal to classify network operators as common carriers required to admit all Internet services, applications and devices on equal terms), presenting a potential danger that net neutrality and Fairness Doctrine advocates could try to expand content controls to the Internet.[21] It could also include "government dictating content policy".[22] The Media Research Center's Culture & Media Institute argued that the three main points supporting the Fairness Doctrine - media scarcity, liberal viewpoints being censored at a corporate level, and public interest - are all myths.[23]
Leftist media reform organizations such as Free Press feel that a return to the Doctrine is not as important as setting stronger station ownership caps and stronger "public interest" standards enforcement (with fines given to public broadcasting). [24]
In June 2008, Barack Obama's campaign said that he "does not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters," but that he "considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible," adding, "That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets.". [25]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:19:23am |
re: #1043 ciaospirit
Only when it's Republicans in unity with Democrats. Never the other way around. They proved that for the past eight years. Against Bush no matter what. And, despicably, against our troops.
Bipartisanship is defined by the Democrats and the MSM (in know, redundant) as Republicans being magnanimous in defeat, supporting Democrats in their legislative initiatives and providing them with political cover, and generally behaving like whipped dogs.
I am willing to give the Democrats the same support and consideration they gave President Bush.
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:20:07am |
re: #301 HoosierHoops
The closest I got was austin powers..the spy that shagged me..funny stuff..
Ugh. Can't even look at Mike Myers as Austin - gives me the willies.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:20:41am |
re: #1002 galloping granny
One slight correction/addition to
They had best be careful. We are the biggest consumers in the world and provide a huge chunk of the world's food supply - a chunk Russia cannot make up, absent control of the Ukraine, and maybe not even with that.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:21:04am |
re: #1048 3 wood
adding, "That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets.".
Oh, sure.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:21:21am |
Gotta head to bed now. Hope to wake up in the morning and find a good reason to look forward to something without reflexively debunking it.
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Killer Tomato Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:21:52am |
re: #967 Arkay
Drive by -
Sorry you're so clueless about the war. Within 6 feet of where I'm sitting right now are more volumes on that topic than you'll find in any 3 libraries combined.
I'll be in Gettysburg in a couple of weeks for the annual Remembrance Day ceremonies - I spend much time there and in Virginia doing 'living histories' and 'reenactments' (and portray both sides) - which I suppose will end up being banned as 'hate speech' under the new administration regime.
Everyone who fought in that war was was an American. There were heroics, sacrifices and painful choices enough to go around.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:22:04am |
re: #1043 ciaospirit
Obama, a Democrat who won a decisive victory against Republican John McCain in Tuesday's election to become the first black U.S. president as of January 20, vowed to seek unity.
Which is why he appointed a rabid left wing attack dog hitman Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff and has appointed "Fariness Doctrine" Czar Henry Rivera as FCC transition head.
Do you feel the love and unity yet?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:22:20am |
re: #1047 galloping granny
...nasty choice between their duty to uphold the Constitution and the orders of their "commander in chief."
That's the key. If the C-n-C issues orders that are illegal (I count unconstitutional there), the officer is duty bound to refuse and resign, if needed.
We'll see if today's officers understand that obligation if such a thing were to happen.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:22:43am |
re: #1005 nonic
Hey nonic - I would add to that list of "immigrants" Mexicans. They bust their chops to get ahead and many of those "undocumented workers" - La Reza notwithstanding - would love to become American Citizens.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:24:33am |
re: #1053 realwest
One slight correction/addition to
Russia could not feed themselves when they had total control of 1/6th of the world's land mass and a completely cowed population used to extreme deprivation. Even if they grabbed the Ukraine back, Russia cannot feed themselves. Besides, have you seen pictures of the Ukraine? Chernobyl devastated huge chunks of what was once the breadbasket of Europe.
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:26:14am |
re: #1049 realwest
"That is why Sen. Obama supports media-ownership caps, network neutrality, public broadcasting, as well as increasing minority ownership of broadcasting and print outlets.".
Translation: He's going to appoint overseer's to Board of Director's to get rid of any conservatives and make sure the media outlet is broadcasting the approved talking points and only that.
They are going after Limbagh, Hannity, Levin, Coulter and anybody else they can think of.
Then they will go after the blogs.
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laZardo Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:27:04am |
re: #1059 realwest
Real, sorry to keep coming to you to vent but I feel the need to discuss that post-Obama voter cynicism with you. Just chuck an e-mail over...thanks.
/kay...actually heading to bed now.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:27:16am |
re: #1050 3 wood
Bipartisanship is defined by the Democrats and the MSM (in know, redundant) as Republicans being magnanimous in defeat, supporting Democrats in their legislative initiatives and providing them with political cover, and generally behaving like whipped dogs.
I am willing to give the Democrats the same support and consideration they gave President Bush.
Me, too. Working with the Democrats, "reaching across the aisle," is what got us into this mess. I will never support Obama's policies. I can't rally behind a philosophy that is anti-what I believe. His policies are socialistic. I will fight his Socialism. Obama said our Constitution is flawed. How can this man take the oath to defend the Constitution on Inauguration Day when he thinks it's flawed? I believe in the Constitution. I wish him good health and all that, but I cannot support him.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:28:09am |
re: #1061 3 wood
Translation: He's going to appoint overseer's to Board of Director's to get rid of any conservatives and make sure the media outlet is broadcasting the approved talking points and only that.
They are going after Limbagh, Hannity, Levin, Coulter and anybody else they can think of.
Then they will go after the blogs.
Unless they go after the blogs first. Remember that Google has already worked hand in glove with the Chinese to censor the internet. Got any idea how fast a blog can disappear in Google?
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:33:07am |
re: #1063 ciaospirit
Me, too. Working with the Democrats, "reaching across the aisle," is what got us into this mess. I will never support Obama's policies. I can't rally behind a philosophy that is anti-what I believe. His policies are socialistic. I will fight his Socialism. Obama said our Constitution is flawed. How can this man take the oath to defend the Constitution on Inauguration Day when he thinks it's flawed? I believe in the Constitution. I wish him good health and all that, but I cannot support him.
I accept that he is the duly elected next President and I respect the office and his accomplishment.
I hope he ends up being good for the country I love.
I also take him at his word that he intends on "spreading the wealth" nationalizing health care, punishing the successful via tax increases, pretyy much surrender in Iraq, and I have seen the left wing wackos he has so far appointed to his team.
I will not stand silently by and watch this guy turn my country into the Soviet Union.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:34:21am |
Hey y'all - my computer just went FUBAR when I tried to copy and paste #51 above, but I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU READ IT.
Unfortunately I posted a comment about Mr. Brokaw and haven't been able to access either the transcript or the video. Perhaps someone here would be kind enough to copy and past #51 here and then try to get the CharlieRose link to work!
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3 wood Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:35:25am |
I have to go now. I tweaked my back yesterday and am operating on pain killers today.
I'm starting to get a little woozy and the couch looks real good right now.
Later.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:35:26am |
Now it's blame whitey for calling themselves African-American. If this is really what is believed, can we get rid of the discrimination inherent in Affirmative Action and the Civil Rights Act? I've personally been the victim of those two policies. I find the NAACP guy ironic.
WASHINGTON – Shortly after leaving the voting booth, 70-year-old community activist Donald E. Robinson had a thought: "Why do I have to be listed as African-American? Why can't I just be American?"
The answer used to be simple: because a race-obsessed society made the decision for him. But after Barack Obama's mind-bending presidential victory, there are rumblings of change in the nature of black identity and the path to economic equality for black Americans,
...
"My grandmother told me when I was 5, 'Boy, if they ask you what you are, just tell them that you're an American," said Benjamin Jealous, the 35-year-old president of the NAACP. "The reality is that our heritage, our culture, our families, our community have been extremely important to us. It's always been our right, and in many ways what we fought for, to be seen simply as Americans."
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:36:33am |
re: #1066 realwest
Hey y'all - my computer just went FUBAR when I tried to copy and paste #51 above, but I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU READ IT.
Unfortunately I posted a comment about Mr. Brokaw and haven't been able to access either the transcript or the video. Perhaps someone here would be kind enough to copy and past #51 here and then try to get the CharlieRose link to work!
You mean this one -
51 William 11/08/08 9:43:19 pm reply quote 12Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.
BROKAW: No, I don't either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.
BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.
[Link: www.charlierose.com...]
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:40:28am |
re: #1032 unclassifiable
Well I had relatives on both sides of the Civil War - known to each other as well! - only a third of them survived the war (total survivors were 9) and of those, 3 were killed out west: two by attacks by First Americans (incorrectly referred to by some as Native Americans) and one got shot down in a raid on Coffeyville Ka. by a bunch of outlaws.
But I have to question - and am prepared to argue stridently - your assertion that "it was for a lot of dishonorable reasons that the "States Rights" issue was pressed."
What were those dishonorable reasons?
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:42:01am |
re: #510 shanec99
I volunteered to do this, so I am doing this willingly, I am a Sailor, a HMC. Have done the sand box as an IA (Iraq in 06) and I took this billet as a GSA.
The work we are doing in Africa is important... in some places we are building schools and helping small democracies to grow and become prosperous, in other places there is the ongoing action against piracy off Somalia's coast.
I applaud your service, sir. Thank you.
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galloping granny Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:42:59am |
re: #1070 realwest
Well I had relatives on both sides of the Civil War - known to each other as well! - only a third of them survived the war (total survivors were 9) and of those, 3 were killed out west: two by attacks by First Americans (incorrectly referred to by some as Native Americans) and one got shot down in a raid on Coffeyville Ka. by a bunch of outlaws.
But I have to question - and am prepared to argue stridently - your assertion that "it was for a lot of dishonorable reasons that the "States Rights" issue was pressed."
What were those dishonorable reasons?
According to current "teaching" anything that contradicts the notion that the War Between the States was about anything at all other than the slavery issue.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:44:18am |
re: #1066 realwest
Here's the repost, but I can't get the link to work. If there is a lot about Obama we don't know, then why didn't they find out instead of blindly supporting him? (rhetorical) Brokaw also told Andrea Mitchell that he didn't deserve to be where he is today. If his skin had been a pigment or two darker, he wouldn't have gotten the breaks he got. He even teared up. White guilt on display. How about this Tom? Give your job to a black guy right now? Yeah, that's what I thought.
re: #51 William
Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:
ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.BROKAW: No, I don't either.
ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.
BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.
ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?
BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.
ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.
BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.
ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?
BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.
[Link: [Link: www.charlierose.com...]...]
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:44:31am |
re: #1037 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Well I was only a grunt in Vietnam, but I'd suggest that Stuart's cavalry would have had, at the least, a disruptive influence on the Union Soldiers defending against Pickett's Charge. Indeed, I'd be so bold as to say they very well have made the Charge a success - an extraordinarily bloody one, even for that battle and those times - but a success nontheless.
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:48:22am |
re: #553 shanec99
Thank you. That was generous. Next time you see a vet let him know you appreciate it. It goes a long way everytime someone tells me thanks.
I always do - the older ones usually get teary eyed, and I do too.
God bless you and protect you, and all those who are working alongside you.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:49:34am |
re: #1062 laZardo
Um, I didn't receive any e-mails from you today!
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J.S. Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:52:46am |
I was watching BBC World...I've come to the conclusion that BBC World is the mirror inverse of the BNP...just as racist, just as obsessed and focused on skin colour as the BNP. Whenever the BBC "reporter" mentions Obama, it will be prefaced with the word "Black." It's constant and never ending. Anytime the word "Obama" occurs in a sentence, you'll be sure to find the word, "Black." In their racist minds, the two terms are inseparable. Again, it's as racist as anything the BNP, Vlaams Belang, etc., puts out. The difference with the BBC is that they claim (unlike the BNP) to idealize blackness. For the BBC there is nothing, nothing, better, more honor-filled, more cherished, than being born with black skin. Never mind actual accomplishments or character -- O No! -- just focus on the skin color...and if it's black, then you're beyond reproach. (Dare I say, I find this sickening?)
Then, I read a column by that Maureen Dowd. She wrote a column on The Blessed One. She sounds like a moping, dewy-eyed, 13 year old with an adolescent crush, writing her "Dear Diary" entry. This type of "writing" by so-called reporters, I categorize as Modern Day Hagiography...(in the past a hagiography, iirc, only addressed dead saints). Now we have to put up with hagiography's written to flatter the living. Again, disgusting beyond words.
In Dowd's column, btw, she exhibited another disturbing trend (this has been around for the last 8 years, btw)...and it was the expression of the Bush Derangement Syndrome. Demonizing George Bush...claiming all sorts of nefarious motives ("Bush lied!" "It's all about the oil, the oil, I tell you!" -- this utter bullshit...and not a word, of course, about Osama or 9/11 -- O No, of course not! Bush simply acts sans reason! sans logic! Bush just wants to go out and bomb those poor, innocent folk in the Middle East! to spread chaos and mayhem without scruples! torturin' and eavesdroppin' on all and sundry...This kind of "analysis" is all such utter, utter crap --yet it makes its way on to the pages of The Times -- all the garbage not fit to print.)
But I also find it interesting that to the very extent these "reporters" demonize Bush, they turn around an idolize/paint as Saintly -- Obama. Now this is a problem. It reveals a Manichaean split. Their "devil" is Bush, their "angel" is Obama. Yet both are seriously, seriously disturbed/distorted ways of viewing the world...and neither is true. The only thing Dowd could come up with to validate her conception of Obama as The Blessed One, is that Obama can quote Lincoln. That's it. The capacity to quote Lincoln -- et voila! miracle of miracles, a Saint is created thereby! Such is Dowd's "logic." All right!
I'll conclude by re-stating the obvious -- irrational hatred (think Bush, etc., or true racism -- hatred of people because they were born with the 'wrong' skin colour) is as blinding, as distorting, as wrong, as blind love is -- that's the kind of "love" which equates to worshipping would-be "angels", with the glazed over eyes, and zombielike, uncritical, irrational followings (it's idolatry)...(rant mode now off).
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:53:32am |
re: #586 LoFlyer
Haar mate, I beg to differ! Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan will be remembered as the finest in the world! None better! They won the war in Iraq and will do the the same in Afghanistan, barring any socialist intervention by Barak and associates!
I agree - I was watching "War Stories with Colonel Ollie North" this morning - he was in Afghanistan. I was amazed at what goes on there, and what our soldiers have to endure.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:54:47am |
re: #1069 galloping granny
YES! That's it, thank you! It is, I think, extremely telling about what an Obama Presidency will be like.
As he continues his partisanship ways and continues to screw up the only real job he's ever had, I do expect the MSM to turn on him in a New York City Minute.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:56:14am |
Hopefully, he won't treat them like Clinton did.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:58:27am |
re: #1079 realwest
I do expect the MSM to turn on him in a New York City Minute.
Maybe not real. I don't think they want to be levelled with the 'racist' tag - especialy by their EUweenie betters.
You know what I've been thinking about - solid Republicans who can really step out into the limelight.
How about Haley Barbour? Gov. of Mississippi. But I bet a lot of people don't have a clue about him.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:01:20am |
re: #1073 ciaospirit
Thank you also! Yeah, I couldn't get the damn video to run but did see my comment (second from the top) and I still think the MSM is gonna turn on Obama just as soon as his partisan politics and gaffes at the only real job he's ever held, start to really bring this country down.
And I have to add here: as many of you know, I live with my mom for economic reasons and it absolutley kills me that she grew up during the Great Depression and will have a difficult time surviving the hard times ahead. But she knows how to survive it. I fear we have at least two generations of young Americans who have been, seriously "under-deprived" and have not been tested as yet. It's my fond hope that when tested they will not be found wanting, but since they never have been tested, it's kinda hard to say.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:01:41am |
re: #1069 galloping granny
Talk about taking a shot in the dark.
/We are in tough times so we will elect the head of the PTO board.
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J.S. Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:04:03am |
re: #1079 realwest
I do expect the MSM to turn on him in a New York City Minute.
I'm willing to bet that "turning on the Messiah" will never happen. No. they won't turn on The Zero. They'll turn their ferocity onto someone else and that "someone else" will be entirely innocent. It's how delusions operate. And they'll do everything possible to avoid confronting reality -- reality is too scary for them.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:04:06am |
re: #1081 wahabicorridor
Hi {wahabi} you're correct - I've never heard of him!
(well I HAVE hear his name, but know next to nothing about him as a politician).
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Perplexed Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:05:50am |
re: #1080 NYCHardhat
Hopefully, he won't treat them like Clinton did.
The NCO corps may revolt by exiting the military early by not reenlisting.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:08:15am |
re: #1084 J.S.
I'm willing to bet that "turning on the Messiah" will never happen. No. they won't turn on The Zero. They'll turn their ferocity onto someone else and that "someone else" will be entirely innocent. It's how delusions operate. And they'll do everything possible to avoid confronting reality -- reality is too scary for them.
I'm inclined to agree with that.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:09:05am |
re: #1030 3 wood
Very true. Venezuela is falling apart too.
What I want to know about Venezuela is how what happened there compares to what is happening here now. Wasn't Chavez elected? I think he was wildly popular. He socialized the economy and drove it into the ground, IIRC. Can we learn from history?
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right Brain Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:10:13am |
re: #1077 J.S.
I don't think many Americans have any idea about BBC World, I watch it in Japan as I spend part of the year there, it explains the often irrational hate for America one finds abroad. The BBC World appears as an extension of Michael Moore's website, a simple retail adventure of feeding crap to losers.
BBC, an official government station in Britain, is charged with dreaming up excuses as to why the Europeans have become a third or fourth rate power in the world: they pursue this by, not by examining their social structure as one would expect, rather they present bizarrely slanted stories about the USA. America is not the place that has three robots driving around Mars taking pictures of each other 200,000,000 kilometers away, no America is a country of rural fatties slurping 36oz Megagulps while they polish their Klan regalia.
America is not the country who was attacked by Muslims killing thousands and then did not burn down a single Mosque, here or anywhere, no America is a country that invades ME countries for a pointless blood lust.
But take heart: the birth rates of the socialist, and thus infantalized, countries of Europe are so low on average they are losing half their population every twenty-five years. Soon there won't be anyone left to pay for or produce the BBC World fantasy hour. And those left will be praying for a green card.
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Perplexed Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:10:31am |
re: #1077 J.S.
Wonder how long after Bush is gone that he gets blamed for the day to day ills befalling the ONE's presidency? Suspect that once real troubles begin coming to roost that we will witness the corruption, arrests, and indictments of the chosen ONE's select few. Suspect that it will prove more corrupt than Grant's administration.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:13:40am |
re: #1028 3 wood
I have several buried at Andersonville. Over all I've traced about 125 ancestors who were in the War between the States.
35 never made it home.
I think you mean 125 relatives. Chances are that you only had that many alive at the time. Half of would be women, and some would be the wrong age.
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yochanan Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:13:47am |
re: #1025 realwest
that july 4th was the key day in the civil war. the south should have ended it then and 100 thousand would have not died needlessly.
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Right Brain Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:15:19am |
re: #1090 Perplexed
I think we should start a betting pool of how long the honeymoon will last: I am betting one year if the economy improves and four months if it doesn't. Since there are structural problems being compounded by Congress, I am betting four months.
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razorbacker Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:15:25am |
re: #1088 Optimizer
What I want to know about Venezuela is how what happened there compares to what is happening here now. Wasn't Chavez elected? I think he was wildly popular. He socialized the economy and drove it into the ground, IIRC. Can we learn from history?
Judging from past events, no;)
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:15:52am |
re: #1084 J.S.
and
re: #1087 ciaospirit
Well I suppose we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree. If you read the comment (orignally #51 on this thread) at #1069 I think it's pretty clear that significant segments of the MSM were in the tank for Obama simply because of their BDS. And don't forget, even for a minute, that where the POTOUS and the MSM are concerned, it's the MSM that really gets out the POTUS' message, even if it wasn't what the POTUS said or meant.
And yes, the MSM can get away with criticizing Obama without being labled "racist" - as I said, the MSM controlls the flow of information to MOST of the citizens of this country.
Those who still get their information from the internet will continue to do so, they'll be no "fairness doctrine" for the Internet, if only because of two reasons: one is that the highest rated blogs are Leftists and the other is that NO ONE owns the internet. The internet doesn't belong to, say, Rupert Murdoch - it is in fact pretty well ungoverned now and I really don't see that changing soon, if at all.
It may be that the Internet will be what the Federalist Papers were waaay back in the day!
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:18:23am |
re: #804 mama winger
Oh my, mama winger. My sincere condolences to you and your family. Sudden death in a family is hard enough, but suicide can change those left behind. My prayers are with you.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:20:25am |
re: #1091 Optimizer
I'm curious as to why you would question the number of relatives 3 wood says he had fighting in the Civil War - I happen to know him pretty well and aside from being a genuinely decent and nice human being, he's awfully good with numbers.
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NYCHardhat Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:21:23am |
re: #804 mama winger
Godspeed mama. I will pray for him as well.
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Perplexed Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:22:09am |
re: #1066 realwest
Hey y'all - my computer just went FUBAR when I tried to copy and paste #51 above, but I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU READ IT.
Unfortunately I posted a comment about Mr. Brokaw and haven't been able to access either the transcript or the video. Perhaps someone here would be kind enough to copy and past #51 here and then try to get the CharlieRose link to work!
Hello Realwest. Sorry to hear about your troubles with a recalcitrant PC. What you're going through shouldn't be rocket science on the part of the geek squad. R/R a MBD should only take around an hour, if they take their time. Suspect that they're attempting to get a different MBD working on your system which will be problematic with your hard drive on the fritz.
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razorbacker Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:22:10am |
re: #1082 realwest
Thank you also! Yeah, I couldn't get the damn video to run but did see my comment (second from the top) and I still think the MSM is gonna turn on Obama just as soon as his partisan politics and gaffes at the only real job he's ever held, start to really bring this country down.
And I have to add here: as many of you know, I live with my mom for economic reasons and it absolutley kills me that she grew up during the Great Depression and will have a difficult time surviving the hard times ahead. But she knows how to survive it. I fear we have at least two generations of young Americans who have been, seriously "under-deprived" and have not been tested as yet. It's my fond hope that when tested they will not be found wanting, but since they never have been tested, it's kinda hard to say.
My brother and I were joking about that very thing. He said something about it looking like a depression was coming. I told him that he'd be alright, since he'd never had any money anyway and survived so far. He said, "Yeah, but what about all those silly sumbeeches who think a poor person is someone who drives a three year old car?"
I told him to be of good cheer, that soon everyone would have a better understanding of what 'the worst economy since the 1930s' really looked like.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:24:09am |
re: #1095 realwest
The internet doesn't belong to, say, Rupert Murdoch - it is in fact pretty well ungoverned now and I really don't see that changing soon, if at all.
Oh, i dunno. The UN has been lusting to regulate the internet for sometime now (currently, our Commerce dept. does that). I wouldn't put it past the commie rat bastard to turn it over in the name of global commity.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:25:32am |
re: #1100 razorbacker
I told him to be of good cheer, that soon everyone would have a better understanding of what 'the worst economy since the 1930s' really looked like.
Oooo, happy thoughts!
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:26:13am |
re: #1092 yochanan
Don't disagree with you but on July 4, 1863 the South not only lost at Gettysburg but also at Vicksburg. The latter was a HORRIBLE strategic loss for the South but even worse, gave Lincoln U.S. Grant as Commanding General of the Army of the Potomic.
After he took command, iirc, in every single battle he fought against Lee, Grant lost more men than Lee had in his Army of Northern Virginia at the start of the battle. Grant truly believed in the grind-'em down and "body counts" method of warfare. It's also worth noting that under Grant, Gen Sherman marched to the Sea and for the first time - in then "modern warfare" - waged war against civilians.
Thus I think you're saving a hundred thousand lives is a bit too low.
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Perplexed Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:26:23am |
re: #1093 Right Brain
I think we should start a betting pool of how long the honeymoon will last: I am betting one year if the economy improves and four months if it doesn't. Since there are structural problems being compounded by Congress, I am betting four months.
Some veteran's groups are pretty upset already. Those guys vote and some have a whole lot of time on their hands.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:28:57am |
re: #1047 galloping granny
If I were in the military I am sorely afraid that I would be looking for any reason to get out as fast as possible. Obama is going to devastate our military in a way that will make what Carter did look like a cake walk. And those few who are left are going to be faced with a nasty choice between their duty to uphold the Constitution and the orders of their "commander in chief."
Remember Clinton? My moonbat brother was in the military and says that Clinton initially wouldn't allow military people to wear their uniforms in the White House. We expected something other than contempt from a draft-dodger?
Clinton seemed to be OK with sending our guys into harm's way under two conditions:
1) They were under the command of foreigners
2) They were fighting for somebody else's national interest
As a hard-core marxist, Obama can only be worse. How perverse is it that you'd have to be crazy to join the military now? Unless you have enough guts to expect to have to get yourself up on charges for defending the Constitution. It might make sense to start a legal defense fund right now.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:33:17am |
re: #1099 Perplexed
Uh, ok, I'm not entirely sure what you said (!) but the Geek Squad was here twice - the first time they diagnosed my 'puter as having a bad motherboard and possibly a bad hard drive (couldn't get the Full Norton Anti-Virus Scan to go more than 2/3rds of the way through the HD). The motherboard was an easy call - UBS ported mouse (mice, actually) continually froze up on my puter.
Second time Geek Squad got here, they tried to install a new motherboard and discovered that the sealed packaged motherboard was FUBAR - they concluded Gateway had sent a "refurbished" MB and that it hadn't be refurbished correctly. We never got around to trying to change the Hard Drive because, although I ordered and paid for a Restoration Disk from Gateway three weeks ago, Gateway has advised me it will probably take another 3 weeks to get the Restoration CD here.
Just effin' charming.
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razorbacker Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:34:50am |
re: #1102 wahabicorridor
Oooo, happy thoughts!
For the first time in my investing lifetime, I am seriously considering selling my S&P 500 tracking funds.
I have little faith that the economy as a whole will prosper.
Individual stocks, sure. People will still want to wash themselves, still have to eat (darned few have the resources or knowledge on how to feed themselves), etc. So some individual stocks will prosper.
But will they still buy 60 grand Lexii? $20 martini? Will upscale priced restuarants geared towards middle America still prosper?
And by the by, you can control the intraweb tubes. Simply control the ISP hubs.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:35:09am |
re: #1101 wahabicorridor
Well you could certainly be right, but as it is the internet is SO FAR TO THE LEFT that I don't see Obama seeing any need to change it.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:40:42am |
re: #1107 razorbacker
I have little faith that the economy as a whole will prosper.
I don't either - at least not in the short term. But I'm waiting to see what happens on the tax - 401(k) issues before I make a decision about anything. Until then, any $ we put into our SEP/IRAs are 'buying low'.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:41:15am |
re: #1107 razorbacker
Sorry I wasn't clear; I meant legally "Stop" or control the content of the internet.
Secondly, iirc, NYC has already lost over 70,000 jobs - jobs that paid salaries sufficient to support the real estate industry and to support the "high life" restaurants and bars - methinks "buyers' remorse" has already set in, even though Obama hasn't taken the Oath of Office, but it will soon become apparent - I'm thinking not later than April (barring some foreign catastrophe) when the Buyers' remorse hits home HARD.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:41:24am |
re: #1108 realwest
Well you could certainly be right, but as it is the internet is SO FAR TO THE LEFT that I don't see Obama seeing any need to change it.
Oh, I think they remember quite clearly how Dan Rather got taken down.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:42:22am |
re: #1070 realwest
But I have to question - and am prepared to argue stridently - your assertion that "it was for a lot of dishonorable reasons that the "States Rights" issue was pressed."
What were those dishonorable reasons?
Slavery, slavery, and slavery. Oh, did I mention "slavery"?
Oh, you need more specific reasons?
1. The men of the South fought for the right to rape black women and force them to bear their children because those women were 'their property'.
2. The men of the South fought for the right to force people to work at gunpoint in the fields from sunup to sundown and not pay them a nickel because those people were 'their property'.
3. The men of the South fought for the right to treat human beings as cattle, to sell them off regardless of their marriages and their children, to whip them, beat them, mutilate them, because those people were 'their property'.
And you can find these reasons enshrined in the ordinances passed by EVERY SINGLE REBEL STATE that attempted to throw off the Constitution. Every single state declare independence because they wanted to keep people in chains, to preserve the South's 'peculiar institution'--human chattel slavery.
Oh, and knock yourself out. Argue stridently for this mass crime as much as you please.
It's amazing that the stupidity of 150 years ago still survives like a latent bacillus in certain reserve populations.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:42:58am |
re: #1109 wahabicorridor
I sure hope that "Until then, any $ we put into our SEP/IRAs are 'buying low'." means T-Bills or Fannie Mae/FreddieMac BONDS.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:47:00am |
re: #1057 3 wood
Which is why he appointed a rabid left wing attack dog hitman Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff and has appointed "Fariness Doctrine" Czar Henry Rivera as FCC transition head.
Do you feel the love and unity yet?
It's astounding that the most partisan Senator of all could run as not just "reaching across the aisle" - but literally as "post-partisan". This term is completely contrary to reality, and is not something that one would even apply to a real person. It speaks to the way so many of his supporters look upon him as a cult leader - as someone above and beyond a mere mortal man.
It's all what psychologists call "magical thinking" - a form of denial. This has been intentionally cultivated by Obama, in an extremely manipulative manner (that even some media types are starting to wake up to).
Don't believe it for a second, and don't believe for a second that this guy is anybody's nitwit.
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J.S. Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:48:14am |
re: #1095 realwest
Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the MSM ever gets around to criticizing The One. I'm not seeing it right now...they're all operating in "love mode." (and I'm pretty pessimistic about ever seeing MSM honesty with respect to Obama...but, again, will have to see if that changes...) (I'm also not terribly optimistic with respect to continuing free/open discussions on the Internet. The UN wants to police it...and I believe there are ways to police it...but again, have to wait and see...and hope/trust this does not occur., etc)
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:50:52am |
re: #1112 Arkay
You sir, or madam as the case may be, are an insufferable twit - all you need to do is read the last oh, 100 or so posts out here to know you're assertions are bullshit.
Abraham Lincoln himself - though anti-slavery - was prepared to allow the institution of slavery to continue in 1860 if it would in fact preserve the Union. Over 95% of the men who fought for the South never owned slaves and indeed, many if not most of them were in competition for jobs and work with slaves.
I do note, however, that your "bio" says
Three years a peacekeeper in Bosnia. Now an immigration attorney. (I don't like seeing poor and weak people get beaten up metaphorically or otherwise.)
and to show you what a gracious fellow I am, I'm willing to help you sue whatever law school you attended for a return of your tuition because they manifestly did not teach you to think analytically.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:51:33am |
re: #1061 3 wood
Translation: He's going to appoint overseer's to Board of Director's to get rid of any conservatives and make sure the media outlet is broadcasting the approved talking points and only that.
They are going after Limbagh, Hannity, Levin, Coulter and anybody else they can think of.
Then they will go after the blogs.
So when is somebody going to start a resistance? What we have on our hands is the Second Cold War. Only this time it's a Civil War. It can only be fought if we recognize it exists.
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:52:56am |
re: #1115 J.S.
and hope/trust this does not occur.
We have to do more than hope and trust. We have to actively fight it. We can try to do something about 2010.
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:54:05am |
re: #1116 realwest
I'm willing to help you sue whatever law school you attended for a return of your tuition because they manifestly did not teach you to think analytically.
ROTF!
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ciaospirit Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:56:28am |
re: #1116 realwest
You sir, or madam as the case may be, are an insufferable twit - all you need to do is read the last oh, 100 or so posts out here to know you're assertions are bullshit.
Abraham Lincoln himself - though anti-slavery - was prepared to allow the institution of slavery to continue in 1860 if it would in fact preserve the Union. Over 95% of the men who fought for the South never owned slaves and indeed, many if not most of them were in competition for jobs and work with slaves.
I do note, however, that your "bio" saysand to show you what a gracious fellow I am, I'm willing to help you sue whatever law school you attended for a return of your tuition because they manifestly did not teach you to think analytically.
Right on, real. That's worth repeating. Most do gooders know very little about history. They ignore facts especially if it gets in the way of their feelings. Feelings, whoa, whoa, whoa, feelings.
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BaseballMom57 Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:56:38am |
re: #1106 realwest
Real - I'm not sure you were the one I responded to on another thread, but one of the things I think you should do is get rid of all things Norton in your computer. AVG free anti-virus is MUCH better, and is not such a resource hog. The Geek Squad guys should know this, but then again, they sell the Norton crap in their stores.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:58:23am |
re: #1118 ciaospirit Indeed, the Dems have controlled Congress since 2006, and the Congress is the entity that authorizes the actual spending of money and is supposed to provide oversight to numerous financial institutions (hello, Sen. Chriss Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee - could you please explain your failure to provide any oversight AT ALL of the banking enterprises in this Country for oh, four or more years (by the time 2010 rolls around and since 2006 if not before as Minority Leader of said committee; oh and while we're at it, Representative Barney Franks - same questions for you, sir.
Yeah 2010 will be a big year because it's gonna be until April of that year when most folks feel the tax bites and sooner than that for them to become aware of just how many jobs they no longer have.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:00:33am |
re: #1121 BaseballMom57
Uh, I don't recall any post from you to me, but have already done all that - I'm convinced (remember I'm not a geek by any stretch of the imagination) that it's my motherboard - not so convinece about the HD.
But thanks for the advice!
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wahabicorridor Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:01:27am |
re: #1118 ciaospirit
We have to do more than hope and trust. We have to actively fight it. We can try to do something about 2010.
One of the more profound failures was communication. It's not that people didn't get a message - the message they got they didn't like.
- conservatives are religious fundamentalists and therefore ignorant
- conservatives are intolerant
- conservatives only like rich people
There was no effective counter-narrative from people who are unassailably honorable. Gingrich is one of the most effective communicators around and certainly he should stay out there - but I don't think he can ever hold public office again. One person I'm thinking of as I mentioned upthread is Haley Barbour, Gov. of Mississippi. I know people like Bobby Jindal but that exorcism thing plays right into the 'regligious fundamentalist' meme.
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razorbacker Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:01:38am |
Realwest,
Should a man with your toofus problems be biting such large chunks out of Arkay? If you swallow a chunk that large whole, you're going to have a tummyache, too.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:04:37am |
re: #1125 razorbacker
Well actually I got a tummyache reading his post
#1112, so I figure what the hey?!
Besides, folks who deliberately refuse to learn anything from anyone else and insist on spouting their ignorance out here just sorta, ya know, piss me off.
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realwest Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:06:03am |
Anyway all y'all it's been interesting out here today at least, but I gotta go do some chores now.
I hope you all have a GREAT day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.
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razorbacker Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:10:32am |
re: #1126 realwest
Well, you seem to be a growed-up feller, so I'll leave those personal decisions to you.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:14:13am |
re: #1097 realwest
I'm curious as to why you would question the number of relatives 3 wood says he had fighting in the Civil War - I happen to know him pretty well and aside from being a genuinely decent and nice human being, he's awfully good with numbers.
I probably came across poorly. Mine was a technical point. He used the term "ancestor" instead of "relative", is all. I was trying to point out that having that many ancestors in the Civil War is practically impossible. I noticed that you used the term "relative", yourself, which is probably correct.
Assuming he means "relatives", the number can be vast, depending on how distantly removed you get. None of my gt-gt gandfathers (of which there were eight) were in the war, despite being in the US (I don't know why not), but many of their siblings, cousins, etc. were involved. My gt-gt grandfather's brother was with Sherman from Shiloh through Atlanta. Other relatives were in the 100th PA Roundheads. The list goes on.
Not trying to slam or discredit 3 Wood. Just correcting a minor point. Actually, I have the impression that he's very much my kinda guy, and I appreciated his posts on other topics as well.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:20:44am |
re: #1093 Right Brain
I think we should start a betting pool of how long the honeymoon will last: I am betting one year if the economy improves and four months if it doesn't. Since there are structural problems being compounded by Congress, I am betting four months.
I'm guessing that the media are already starting to figure out that Obama thinks he's going to be in charge instead of them - and they don't like it. Like they say, it's "buyer's remorse". The public will follow. The Left screaming "George Bush" won't be enough.
If we're lucky.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:28:18am |
Abraham Lincoln himself - though anti-slavery - was prepared to allow the institution of slavery to continue in 1860 if it would in fact preserve the Union. >
May I remind you, Abraham Lincoln himself DID free the slaves. What he was 'prepared' to do at the start of the war is utterly irrelevant.
And some rebel blew his brains out in response.
And that ain't whistling Dixie.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:38:59am |
Over 95% of the men who fought for the South never owned slaves and indeed, many if not most of them were in competition for jobs and work with slaves.>
Then they were bloody fools and intellectual slaves in their own rights, unable to see what was right in front of their noses in the name of a bullshit nationalism for a bullshit nation, having swallowed down, hook line and sinker, an absolute lie.
Brave, yes. Honest, probably. But utter fools.
Every.
last.
one.
If you can't figure that out from your room full of Civil War history books then I suggest 'Hooked on Phonics'.
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Optimizer Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:39:46am |
re: #1107 razorbacker
For the first time in my investing lifetime, I am seriously considering selling my S&P 500 tracking funds.
I have little faith that the economy as a whole will prosper.
Individual stocks, sure. People will still want to wash themselves, still have to eat (darned few have the resources or knowledge on how to feed themselves), etc. So some individual stocks will prosper.
But will they still buy 60 grand Lexii? $20 martini? Will upscale priced restuarants geared towards middle America still prosper?
And by the by, you can control the intraweb tubes. Simply control the ISP hubs.
Ditto. Unholy entities Freddie & Fannie, which represented defacto nationalization of the mortgage industry, acted like a cancer to the global financial system. Is ANYBODY saying, "Gee, maybe it was a bad idea to create them." Is anybody saying, "Dismantle those bastards!"
In short, I'm not sure we are getting to the root cause of the problem - and putting a socialist in charge of fixing a major economic problem is flatly insane. If Venezuela is the model, we can expect major declines in our GDP in the coming years. All the old tried and tested strategies have become suspect, and we're seeing a lot of what happened at the start of the Great Depression.
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Arkay Sun, Nov 9, 2008 10:44:39am |
re: #1133 Optimizer
Ditto. Unholy entities Freddie & Fannie, which represented defacto nationalization of the mortgage industry, acted like a cancer to the global financial system. Is ANYBODY saying, "Gee, maybe it was a bad idea to create them." Is anybody saying, "Dismantle those bastards!"
Never happen under Rahm Immanuel. First he destroys the economy by running Freddie Mac into the ground, now he's WH Chief of Staff.
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Spiny Norman Sun, Nov 9, 2008 11:48:32am |
re: #1134 Arkay
Never happen under Rahm Immanuel. First he destroys the economy by running Freddie Mac into the ground, now he's WH Chief of Staff.
Any wagers Jim Johnson or Franklin Raines is in line for Treasury Secretary?
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