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Open | Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:26:35 pm PST

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.

Groucho Marx

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1 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:27:10pm

And here it is....

2 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:28:01pm

What? Where? What'd I miss?

3 allbusiness  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:28:37pm

Rather pessimistic, Groucho was.

4 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:28:43pm

Good evening all. Night shift checking in. So what's the news and talking points tonight?

5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:14pm

I'm waiting for xwar-whatever to ding it down.

6 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:35pm

re: #3 allbusiness

Rather pessimistic, Groucho was.

I would say cynical experienced actually. From what he said in that quote, I would have to agree with him.

7 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:39pm

"I never forget a face, but in your case, I'll make an exception."

8 Occasional Reader  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:29:49pm

FIREFLY 2012

Rufus T. Firefly! Change you can believe in!

9 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:04pm

Heh. I like it, but then again, it's always good to be a Marxist of the Groucho variety. ;-)

10 Max Darkside  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:10pm

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

11 stevieray  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:30pm

Pretty smart for a guy with a shoe polish mustache.

12 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:30:37pm

re: #7 laZardo

Well, I'm going to have a nightmare tonight. :[

13 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:31:06pm

I wish Zerobama followed the right Marx

14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:31:13pm

"I'd never belong to a country club that would have me as a member"- Groucho Marx

15 winston06  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:31:20pm

Hello...

16 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:31:43pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

Good evening all. Night shift checking in. So what's the news and talking points tonight?

nirth certificate

17 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:05pm
18 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:12pm

Most folks in the GOP's attitude right now has got to be like Groucho's when he tried to join a country club. "I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have someone like me as a member.."

19 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:44pm

re: #16 spidly

Uh, huh. Saw that thread. It's sad to see that we have the same kind of nutbars running around like the left does.

/It's dead Jim, just let it go. . . . .

20 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:50pm

re: #12 Adina in Judea

Wanted to change my avatar to that for Halloween Weekend, actually. But then Charles and his Zionist mind rays forecast that leading him to disable avatars for the time being.

Oh, and as per the previous thread, I voted for Canada. Just in case Iran got cocky.

21 Paul Green  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:32:52pm

"Poly" -- many

"ticks" -- blood-sucking parasites

22 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:00pm

re: #15 winston06

Hello...


...I must be going...

23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:16pm

re: #18 calcajun

GTMA- See my #14...

24 Occasional Reader  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:27pm

"Go! And never darken my towels again!"

25 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:35pm

"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first."
-Mark Twain

26 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:33:46pm

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception.

-Groucho

27 esch  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:12pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

ROFLMFAO

This (gnashing teeth) PERSON doesn't have the faintest idea what to do. I'll bet there is puking involved.

28 Sihlus  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:21pm

re: #7 laZardo

Don't DO that on an empty stomach!

29 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:31pm

AS a guest at a country cub in Orange NJ one day, Marx was told that he could not use the pool.
"Why," asked Marx.
"Because," said the manager, "even as a guest, we don't allow Jews in the pool."
Marx narrowed his eyes. "Well, what about my daughter? She's half Jewish. Can't she go in up to her knees?"

30 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:34:40pm

"I have been through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened."
-Mark Twain

31 firedupengineer  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:35:02pm

It sounds like Groucho was talking about the MSM's reporting of the McCain/Palin campain...

32 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:35:20pm

re: #20 laZardo

Wanted to change my avatar to that for Halloween Weekend, actually.

Well, now I finally have a use for this phrase:

That picture was disturbing on so many levels! :)

33 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:35:55pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

Maybe someone slipped him a constitution and he's realized that his primary mission is national defense and that all this social engineering stuff should really be left to individual states so their schtoopid plans will have limited impact.

what are the odds

34 calcajun  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:36:17pm

Short time tonight. Must go walk dogs.

35 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:36:19pm

re: #9 Honorary Yooper

Huffton?
Howtin?
Hewton?
Hoffton?
Hoe-ton?

36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:36:27pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

This POTUS's conceit is truly breathtaking.

37 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:37:14pm

re: #23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

GTMA- See my #14...

And GMTA- PIMF

38 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:37:22pm

Of all the Marx family to listen to, our current president-elect has to choose Karl.

39 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:37:56pm

re: #33 spidly

Maybe someone slipped him a constitution and he's realized that his primary mission is national defense and that all this social engineering stuff should really be left to individual states so their schtoopid plans will have limited impact.

what are the odds

I think Obama's online agenda met up somewhere with his Columbia records, nirth certificate, and a lifetime of socks lost in clothes dryers.

40 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:03pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

In quiet moments, I fantasize that Obama has actually been scamming William Ayers for the last 20 years, and that he's really just your run-of-the-mill corrupt Chicago grafter. This instills in me a hope that he will put his own self-interest ahead of any Leftist loyalties he has, and will govern in such a way that he angles for re-election.

Then I snap out of it, and realize once more that he is likely to govern the way he talks: hard-Left, redistributionist, weak on defense.

41 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:06pm

As A kid in the 70s, memories of Grouch Marx are intermingled with those of Alan Alda's lousy imitations of Marx.

Tragic, really. I am permanently scarred, having been spoon fed New Left morality by M*A*S*H* every week and having any memories of Groucho Marx permanently impaired.

I should sue.

42 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:21pm

re: #38 gmsc

Of all the Marx family to listen to, our current president-elect has to choose Karl.

Upding for that.

43 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:38:27pm

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
-Groucho Marx

44 Occasional Reader  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:39:32pm

re: #43 gmsc

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."
-Groucho Marx

I use that line all the time.

45 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:40:26pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

There was a link on the DT about the page where he was supposed to be detailing his National Service program saying only "NEEDS CONTENT."

This one doesn't look worthy of the "AGENDA FAIL" label though.

46 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:40:27pm

Go ahead, drop your baby.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

47 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:40:34pm

re: #35 wolfie

Huffton?
Howtin?
Hewton?
Hoffton?
Hoe-ton?

From the last thread?

That's Houghton, Michigan, pronounced "Hoton". (And stencilled that way on city property.)

48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:41:10pm

re: #41 karmic_inquisitor

As A kid in the 70s, memories of Grouch Marx are intermingled with those of Alan Alda's lousy imitations of Marx.

Tragic, really. I am permanently scarred, having been spoon fed New Left morality by M*A*S*H* every week and having any memories of Groucho Marx permanently impaired.

I should sue.

The first three seasons of M*A*S*H not like that. That was classic TV. After Wayne Rogers left and was replaced by Mike Fairy, I mean Farrell, that's when the show went downhill.

49 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:04pm

"I used to think I was poor. Then they told me I wasn't poor, I was needy. Then they told me it was self-defeating to think of myself as needy. I was deprived. (Oh not deprived but rather underprivileged.) Then they told me that underprivileged was overused. I was disadvantaged. I still don't have a dime. But I have a great vocabulary."
-Jules Feiffer

50 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:13pm

re: #38 gmsc

Of all the Marx family to listen to, our current president-elect has to choose Karl.

with all the revisions going on it probably looks more like a stooges argument...."wadda think yer doin'...bonk..HEY....slap...OW...why I oughta..."

site is down because curley is on the floor doing the nyuk nyuk circle run

51 William  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:19pm

Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:

ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.

BROKAW: No, I don't either.

ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.

BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.

ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?

BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.

ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.

BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.

ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?

BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.

[Link: www.charlierose.com...]

52 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:37pm

Damn, I love Groucho.

I love the Marx Brothers' movies.

Nearly 30 years ago, when I was 17, my mom heard me cackling with laughter in the "tv room" and came in to find out what I was watching (we just got cable, so she was nervous).

She was so pleased that I was watching "something clean" that she made some popcorn (the old-fashioned way) and joined me.

At 17, I was either intelligent and perceptive beyond my age, or the biggest f'ing geek you've ever met.

Both are probably true.

53 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:43:40pm
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies.

Some things never change.

Real Rancher

54 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:44:12pm

re: #51 William

Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:

They only had two years. Give'em a break.
/

55 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:44:44pm

re: #47 Honorary Yooper

Aha! Thanks! :)

56 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:45:41pm

re: #51 William

Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:

ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.

BROKAW: No, I don't either.

ROSE: I don't know how he really sees where China is.

BROKAW: We don't know a lot about Barack Obama and the universe of his thinking about foreign policy.

ROSE: I don't really know. And do we know anything about the people who are advising him?

BROKAW: You know that's an interesting question.

ROSE: He is principally known through his autobiography and through very aspirational (sic) speeches, two of them.

BROKAW: I don't know what books he's read.

ROSE: What do we know about the heroes of Barack Obama?

BROKAW: There's a lot about him we don't know.

The right has been saying this all year.

These guys finally figured it out.

They must be geniuses.

57 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:45:43pm

re: #54 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They could've come here.

Real Rancher

58 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:45:46pm

re: #46 DesertSage

Go ahead, drop your baby.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Holy shit. That's fucked up.

59 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:11pm

re: #52 Noam Sayin'

Damn, I love Groucho.

I love the Marx Brothers' movies.

Nearly 30 years ago, when I was 17, my mom heard me cackling with laughter in the "tv room" and came in to find out what I was watching (we just got cable, so she was nervous).

She was so pleased that I was watching "something clean" that she made some popcorn (the old-fashioned way) and joined me.

At 17, I was either intelligent and perceptive beyond my age, or the biggest f'ing geek you've ever met.

Both are probably true.

Alllthe people I respect the most laugh at the Stooges. The ones that don't get it scare me.

60 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:17pm

re: #50 spidly

with all the revisions going on it probably looks more like a stooges argument...."wadda think yer doin'...bonk..HEY....slap...OW...why I oughta..."

site is down because curley is on the floor doing the nyuk nyuk circle run

Doing the Curly Shuffle?

61 esch  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:22pm

re: #51 William

Please tell me that's a joke. Please.

/Where'd I put that Wakazashi?..

62 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:40pm

re: #56 Adina in Judea

Either way, they'll be the first to get credit for it.

63 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:46:42pm

re: #53 Rancher

/#783

64 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:47:25pm

re: #51 William

Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:

The media has become suddenly uncurious when it comes to Obama, it will surely come back to bite them in the ass, the only question is how and when.

65 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:48:20pm

re: #59 Shay4l

Alllthe people I respect the most laugh at the Stooges. The ones that don't get it scare me.

Now I'm scaring myself. I meant the Marx Bros.

66 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:48:23pm

re: #46 DesertSage

Go ahead, drop your baby.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Bouncing babies.

67 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:48:37pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

FIREFLY 2012

Rufus T. Firefly! Change you can believe in!

Perhaps we'll get lucky and Osama Bin Laden will call Obama an upstart!

68 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:49:07pm

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

Better than bride burning, another Indian past time.

69 esch  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:49:12pm

re: #67 stuiec

Perhaps we'll get lucky and Osama Bin Laden will call Obama an upstart!

Actually I'm expecting a fist-bump.

70 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:49:30pm

re: #52 Noam Sayin'

Used to go to our Public Library in the kids section when they showed old movies. Movies like the Marx Brothers, Laurel and Hardy, and the Three Stooges. Talkies, silent films, the works. Guess that's why I like Monty Python so much. Same type of humour, just modernized.

71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:07pm

re: #52 Noam Sayin'

Damn, I love Groucho.

I love the Marx Brothers' movies.

Nearly 30 years ago, when I was 17, my mom heard me cackling with laughter in the "tv room" and came in to find out what I was watching (we just got cable, so she was nervous).

She was so pleased that I was watching "something clean" that she made some popcorn (the old-fashioned way) and joined me.

At 17, I was either intelligent and perceptive beyond my age, or the biggest f'ing geek you've ever met.

Both are probably true.

Your Mom was nervous about cable TV back then?

Geez, back then MTV played music 24/7 and Nickelodean played shows for kids.

72 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:28pm

re: #58 Noam Sayin'

Maybe I shouldn't have built my home in such a precarious place?

73 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:32pm

You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...

I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.

But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...

"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."

For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.

74 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:44pm

re: #56 Adina in Judea

The right has been saying this all year.

These guys finally figured it out.

They must be geniuses.

They're taking the steps necessary to bring back their credibility.

Lost.
on.
me.

75 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:48pm

re: #59 Shay4l

Alllthe people men I respect the most laugh at the Stooges. The ones that don't get it scare me.

Fixed. Unless you've never met a female you respect!
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.

76 LEGION  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:50:59pm

re: #51 William

Yeah, heard this on Rush or Levin-- the media is trying to cover their butts for their complicity in getting this fraud elected.

77 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:51:02pm

re: #65 Shay4l

Now I'm scaring myself. I meant the Marx Bros.

I was going to say that I've met some dumb people in my life, but none so dumb that they didn't get the Three Stooges. That would be a special kind of stupid. ROFLOL

/full disclosure- I like the Marx Brothers, really dislike the Stooges. ;)

78 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:51:19pm

re: #63 Killian Bundy

Yup!

79 lostlakehiker  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:51:35pm

What a beautiful photo! Updingdingding.

80 LEGION  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:19pm

re: #75 wolfie

Whup whup whup Hey Moe, look at this, neah neah

81 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:44pm

re: #68 Rancher

Better than bride burning, another Indian past time.

yes, unfortunately those evil colonial colonialist brits destroyed their culture by putting an end to that practice.

82 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:47pm

re: #65 Shay4l

Now I'm scaring myself. I meant the Marx Bros.

Oddly, I felt you meant the Marx Bros, instead.

Okay. I'll get out of your head now.

You could use a maid.

Just sayin'

83 AMER1CAN  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:52:52pm

re: #46 DesertSage

Hmm, me thinks I know why it's been going on for 500 years. Brain damage anyone?

It makes Michael Jackson look like a responsible parent!

84 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:53:09pm

re: #56 Adina in Judea

The right has been saying this all year.

These guys finally figured it out.

They must be geniuses.

Adina ... many people not just the right have been saying this ever since he got on the national scene ...we were told to STFU ...we just need to keep on his back ...don't let them think for a minute we are not watching ...

85 William  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:53:30pm

RE: Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose exchange in post #51

Brokaw moderated the 2nd McCain/Obama debate on Oct 7, 2008.

86 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:53:35pm

re: #75 wolfie

Fixed. Unless you've never met a female you respect!
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.

wrong

87 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:54:24pm

re: #77 gop_patriot

Ah, but you don't have the Y-chromosone. That's why you dislike the Three Stooges. ;)

88 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:54:34pm

re: #82 Noam Sayin'

Oddly, I felt you meant the Marx Bros, instead.

Okay. I'll get out of your head now.

You could use a maid.

Just sayin'

As Neil says, a man needs a maid

89 SpartanWoman  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:01pm

re: #76 LEGION

Yeah, heard this on Rush or Levin-- the media is trying to cover their butts for their complicity in getting this fraud elected.

Too late. We know they knew the man well and just refused to report their findings. They can play CYA all they like, but I don't think it's remotely credible

90 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:04pm

re: #71 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ahem... Pre-MTV, pre-Nick.

BASIC
CABLE

Noam

(Sorry, Render. I said I'd stop).

91 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:12pm

re: #81 spidly

yes, unfortunately those evil colonial colonialist brits destroyed their culture by putting an end to that practice.

No, still goes on today.

92 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:35pm

re: #80 LEGION

Okay. I'll admit THAT was funny!

93 Avary  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:45pm

Obama's Youth Classroom Corps is going to be so awesome. Its even got its own song. But he should call it by its proper name : Komsomol.

94 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:56pm

re: #48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The first three seasons of M*A*S*H not like that. That was classic TV. After Wayne Rogers left and was replaced by Mike Fairy, I mean Farrell, that's when the show went downhill.

Mike Farrell - a living saint!

He is such a preachy ass hole. He epitomizes the Obamaton Moralist - worse than the left's worst caricatures of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell.

The mention of his name makes me want to watch the Save Tookie protest videos over at Zombietime.

95 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:55:58pm

re: #35 wolfie Gee whiz, wolfie, I done told you on the prior thread that it's pronounced Houghton!

96 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:56:22pm

re: #72 DesertSage

Maybe I shouldn't have built my home in such a precarious place?

Yeah, that might hurt the resale, if it wasn't for the view.

97 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:56:33pm

Here's the home that I really wanted to build.

98 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:56:51pm

re: #86 Killer Tomato

An overly broad generalization, eh? :)

99 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:19pm

re: #97 DesertSage

Here's the home that I really wanted to build.

Wow ... where is that?

100 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:22pm

Has anyone noticed that Free Republic has been down for something like 18 hours?
They still don't have the birth certificate, either, or MAYBE THEY DID!
/

101 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:52pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

No doubt he is keeping files.

102 Miss Molly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:58pm

A sense of humor will be very helpful in the next 4 years.

103 abolitionist  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:57:59pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

Peeking into the memory hole (google cache):
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

104 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:14pm

re: #68 Rancher

Better than bride burning, another Indian past time.

Gen. Charles Napier said:

You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.
105 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:18pm

re: #84 JacksonTn

Adina ... many people not just the right have been saying this ever since he got on the national scene ...we were told to STFU ...we just need to keep on his back ...don't let them think for a minute we are not watching ...

We don't know Obama. The MSM doesn't know Obama. Yet, this unknown man who is getting the keys to the entire U.S.A. ship has more money coming in from G-d knows where to help him decide where to steer it.

Is there any government agency powerful enough right now to object to the fact that Obama is taking in unlimited amounts of money right now without having to name the donors?

His Office of the President-Elect (entirely new to the United States of America) has the status of a non-profit organization that can take unlimited donations without being forced to name them.

How on Earth can this be going on (especially by a guy that is unknown even to his biggest supporters in the MSM who helped get him elected?)

106 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:48pm

re: #95 realwest

Dang! I missed it! Houghton! Why didn't I guess that?


grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

107 William  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:58:57pm

More Charlie Rose -- this time with Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham of Newsweek magazine, the day after Obama won the election on Nov 5th:

MEACHAM: He's very elusive, Obama, which is fascinating for a man who's written two memoirs. At Grant Park he walks out with the family, and then they go away.

ROSE: Mmm. Mmm-hmm.

MEACHAM: You know... have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage?

ROSE: Mmm.

MEACHAM: No adoring wife, no cute kid. He is the messenger.

THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this. I mean, he's such an admirable --

ROSE: Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.

THOMAS: Yes.

ROSE: What's slightly creepy about it?

THOMAS: It -- it -- it just makes me a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He's a deeply manipulative guy.

[Link: www.charlierose.com...]

108 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:11pm

re: #91 Rancher

No, still goes on today.

really? Under british rule they shot anyone caught trying to do that. thought it was gone.

ah. actually read the link and it wasn't what I thought. I was thinking of:

Sati is described as a Hindu custom in India in which the widow was burnt to ashes on her dead husband's pyre. Basically the custom of Sati was believed to be a voluntary Hindu act in which the woman voluntary decides to end her life with her husband after his death. But there were many incidences in which the women were forced to commit Sati, sometimes even dragged against her wish to the lighted pyre.
109 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:14pm

re: #97 DesertSage

Here's the home that I really wanted to build.

At least you wouldn't have to worry about door to door salesmen. :)

110 Occasional Reader  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:22pm

re: #51 William

Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:

Unfricciknbelievable.

111 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 9:59:50pm

re: #97 DesertSage

Not much room for your little bony dog to run, though.

112 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:03pm

re: #75 wolfie

Fixed. Unless you've never met a female you respect!
The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.

Not necessarily. I'm a female and I have an appreciation for the Stooges. Well, the Three Stooges, not the Iggy Pop Stooges. I blame it on my dad though, as he had nearly all the episodes recorded on VHS when I was a kid and we watched them all the time. I don't have much time for the post-Shemp episodes.

113 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:05pm

re: #75 wolfie

The Stooges are a Y-chromosome thing.

My Dad is a total Three Stooges geek, but he has also gotten the women in his life (wife and daughters) to love 'em, too.

114 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:10pm

re: #103 abolitionist

Peeking into the memory hole (google cache):
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

Obama will create a new cabinet post - Secretary of the Memory Hole. The Department of the Memory Hole will be housed in the L'Enfant Plaza Metro Station.

115 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:14pm

re: #97 DesertSage

I'm going to make strawberry shortcake for dessert... could you run out and pick up some whipping cream?
OY!

116 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:30pm

re: #98 wolfie

An overly broad generalization, eh? :)

yip
:-)

117 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:47pm

re: #105 Adina in Judea

We don't know Obama. The MSM doesn't know Obama. Yet, this unknown man who is getting the keys to the entire U.S.A. ship has more money coming in from G-d knows where to help him decide where to steer it.

Is there any government agency powerful enough right now to object to the fact that Obama is taking in unlimited amounts of money right now without having to name the donors?

His Office of the President-Elect (entirely new to the United States of America) has the status of a non-profit organization that can take unlimited donations without being forced to name them.

How on Earth can this be going on (especially by a guy that is unknown even to his biggest supporters in the MSM who helped get him elected?)

I don't understand why he is asking for donations ...what is he going to use the money for anyway ...something stinks again .....

118 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:00:59pm

re: #110 Occasional Reader

Unfricciknbelievable.

they are the MSM. whatta ya want.

119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:05pm

re: #90 Noam Sayin'

Ahem... Pre-MTV, pre-Nick.

BASIC
CABLE

Noam

(Sorry, Render. I said I'd stop).

So then....What was she worried about that was on BASIC CABLE?

120 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:38pm

Many analysts say this financial crisis is the worst since the Great Depression. A few statistics of The Great Depression:

Between 1929 and 1932

-unemployment was 25%
-industrial production down 45%
-industrial stocks down 80%
-farm prices down 53%
-exports down 67%
-5,000 banks out of business
-GNP down 10% annually
-home building down 80%

Now I know times are tough now for many folks but let's be honest when making comparisons.

And now, back to the other Marxist humor:

I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book.

121 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:40pm

re: #107 William

Obama? Manipulative? Tell me it isn't so!

/ Yet more evidence he is a protoge of Ayers.

122 Max Darkside  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:46pm

re: #103 abolitionist

Peeking into the memory hole (google cache):
[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

I've got pdf prints from the cache already, thx.

123 SpartanWoman  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #117 JacksonTn

I don't understand why he is asking for donations ...what is he going to use the money for anyway ...something stinks again .....

Don't worry the press won't even be a tiny bit curious. It's all good

124 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:18pm

re: #93 Avary

Obama's Youth Classroom Corps is going to be so awesome. Its even got its own song. But he should call it by its proper name : Komsomol.

I know someone who used to be a middle-manager type in the Komsomol. She refuses to talk about what her life was like back then.

I shudder to think of the torment she is experiencing now.

125 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:45pm

re: #97 DesertSage

Too late. I already built it.

Nice, doncha think?

... for a guy who knows nothing of brick-laying, plumbing, electrical work, carpentry, or engineering.

Hey, it was my first attempt. What can I say?

126 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:48pm

re: #111 wolfie

Not much room for your little bony dog to run, though.

Noam came to visit the other day, he said that there was something wrong with his brakes.

127 Floral Giraffe  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:49pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

Why bother? It seems his views are clearly expressed...

128 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:02:55pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Back then you wouldn't believe what you could discover on basic cable.

129 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:08pm

re: #51 William
Just left a comment over there that I hope is funny and I'm SURE it's accurate!

130 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:08pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So then....What was she worried about that was on BASIC CABLE?

HBO. first thing I watched when we got cable was The Omen.

131 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:19pm

When is Chicago trying to get the Olympics?

132 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:03:59pm

re: #113 Adina in Judea

My Dad is a total Three Stooges geek, but he has also gotten the women in his life (wife and daughters) to love 'em, too.

Lots of cool dads out there, eh? My dad was also responsible for my love of the Marx Brothers (Duck Soup is one of the greatest movies ever) and my love of the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson.

The first song I ever heard must have been either Good Vibrations or Lydia the Tattooed-Lady!

133 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:04:16pm

re: #112 foxtrotter

re: #113 Adina in Judea

Okay. I'm getting too much evidence to the contrary, so I take back my generalization about women not liking the Stooges!

sort of

134 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:04:35pm

re: #108 spidly

In some instances, the practice has been expanded to include burning the bride while the husband is alive and well -- thus allowing him to marry again and receive another dowry.

135 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:12pm

re: #124 victor_yugo

Clicked to your blog and read the "Vietnam referendum" entry. Suffice it to say, the referendum was pretty much decided going into the 90s...that the escalation opened up a Pandora's Box, and despite the honorable services of people like John McCain (and other Vet Lizards), a few big bad apples really spoiled the bunch (e.g. Da Nang, Tet Offensive, etc.)

136 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:19pm

re: #104 stuiec

You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.

I actually got to use this line of reasoning against a moral equivalency kool-aid drinker a couple of years ago. We were discussing World War 2 and the moonbat made a brief speech about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the racist propaganda used against the Japanese. In turn, I brought up the Bataan Death March, the Death Railway, and other Japanese atrocities against helpless prisoners. The moonbat superciliously began to inform me that I could not fault the Japanese for this since it is just part of their culture that prisoners have shamed themselves and deserve no mercy. I responded that it was just part of our culture to fire-bomb people who do that kind of shit.

137 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:27pm

re: #132 foxtrotter

My parents got me hooked on Star Trek. We would turn the t.v. on with our bowls of popcorn to watch it at night. Ah the good years. I am so thankful that it went into syndication.

138 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:34pm

re: #107 William

More Charlie Rose -- this time with Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham of Newsweek magazine, the day after Obama won the election on Nov 5th:

MEACHAM: He's very elusive, Obama, which is fascinating for a man who's written two memoirs. At Grant Park he walks out with the family, and then they go away.

ROSE: Mmm. Mmm-hmm.

MEACHAM: You know... have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage?

ROSE: Mmm.

MEACHAM: No adoring wife, no cute kid. He is the messenger.

THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this. I mean, he's such an admirable --

ROSE: Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.

THOMAS: Yes.

ROSE: What's slightly creepy about it?

THOMAS: It -- it -- it just makes me a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He's a deeply manipulative guy.

The ultra-famous fist bump scene on stage between Obama and his wife occurred because they both got on stage to celebrate some sort of primary victory (I think) and then Obama motioned Michelle to leave the stage! He made a sweeping gesture with his arm that signaled to her: "Go away!"

She fist bumped him as a way of saying goodbye.

Then he spoke all alone on the stage without her.

The MSM is only just now noticing things like this?!?!?

139 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:36pm

re: #133 wolfie

You're talking about lizardettes - why would this surprise you?
;-)

140 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:05:50pm

re: #131 JacksonTn

When is Chicago trying to get the Olympics?

2016.

141 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:31pm

re: #131 JacksonTn

When is Chicago trying to get the Olympics?

2016. They're going up against Rio, Madrid, and those racists in Tokyo. [;

/that don't look like no ribbon...

142 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:32pm

re: #126 DesertSage

Oh my! :D

143 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:41pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Nothing worse than some one spouting that crap, "It's part of their culture." I cringe when I hear that.

144 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:06:55pm

re: #130 spidly

HBO. first thing I watched when we got cable was The Omen.

I was about 8 or 9 when cable first went into the San Diego market. The first movie channel in this area was Channel 100. On one of the frequent free preview weekends I watch Phase IV about 5 times. Ant's still disturb me.

145 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:11pm

re: #117 JacksonTn

I don't understand why he is asking for donations ...what is he going to use the money for anyway ...something stinks again .....

He can collect billions this way from our enemies or anyone else on Earth for his own intentions. No one will ever know what this guy is doing.

Public officials are NOT supposed to take money from others like this.

It's against the law.

146 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:12pm

re: #138 Adina in Judea

The ultra-famous fist bump scene on stage between Obama and his wife occurred because they both got on stage to celebrate some sort of primary victory (I think) and then Obama motioned Michelle to leave the stage! He made a sweeping gesture with his arm that signaled to her: "Go away!"

She fist bumped him as a way of saying goodbye.

Then he spoke all alone on the stage without her.

The MSM is only just now noticing things like this?!?!?

Adina ... if you look at the video ... he slapped her ass ...as she was turning to walk off the stage ...

147 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:40pm

re: #144 CyanSnowHawk

re: #144 CyanSnowHawk

I was about 8 or 9 when cable first went into the San Diego market. The first movie channel in this area was Channel 100. On one of the frequent free preview weekends I watch Phase IV about 5 times. Ant's still disturb me.

Do they now?

148 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:52pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

I actually got to use this line of reasoning against a moral equivalency kool-aid drinker a couple of years ago. We were discussing World War 2 and the moonbat made a brief speech about Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the racist propaganda used against the Japanese. In turn, I brought up the Bataan Death March, the Death Railway, and other Japanese atrocities against helpless prisoners. The moonbat superciliously began to inform me that I could not fault the Japanese for this since it is just part of their culture that prisoners have shamed themselves and deserve no mercy. I responded that it was just part of our culture to fire-bomb people who do that kind of shit.

Wonder what your discussion mate would have said about the Japanese occupation of China and Korea. How did the people of Nanking shame themselves into deserving invasion, rape, murder and oppression?

149 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:07:58pm

re: #141 laZardo

2016. They're going up against Rio, Madrid, and those racists in Tokyo. [;

/that don't look like no ribbon...

I can just see it now: "Gee, Rio, Madrid, and Tokyo, those are some fine, ancient, and historic cities you got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to them, wouldn't it?"

150 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:08:13pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

Didn't a Supreme Court Justice ask for the nirth certifikit?

151 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:08:39pm

re: #134 stuiec

In some instances, the practice has been expanded to include burning the bride while the husband is alive and well -- thus allowing him to marry again and receive another dowry.

well we can't judge other cultures. all cultures are equal. except for our evil western culture. we do worse things everyday, like force people to go to work after a couple years on welfare, demand they pay 5 or 10 dollars for a 250 dollar prescription...

152 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:08:54pm

re: #139 Killer Tomato

Good point! :)

153 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:06pm

re: #146 JacksonTn

They're going to be such a charming first couple, don't you think? Marvelous ambassadors for the US. Just ooze class.

154 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:11pm

re: #131 JacksonTn

When is Chicago trying to get the Olympics?

2016.

155 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:15pm

re: #97 DesertSage
Uh, Sage, where's the fuckin' driveway?!? No wonder you have to fight the mortgage company - they can't figure out a way to get an inspector or appraiser up to your house!
Kids these days!

;')

156 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:09:44pm

re: #150 Rancher

Didn't a Supreme Court Justice ask for the nirth certifikit?

If the Supreme Court step doesn't work out, I understand Berg is planning to appeal.
;)

157 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:10:10pm

Has anyone ever heard of Mini-Dickmann's?

158 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:10:18pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

My parents got me hooked on Star Trek. We would turn the t.v. on with our bowls of popcorn to watch it at night. Ah the good years. I am so thankful that it went into syndication.

I had to wait until later to get into Star Trek as my parents didn't (and still don't) do sci-fi at all. I made up for it though! And it's funny you should mention curling up with a big bowl of popcorn. We used to do that all the time. Dark living room, big bowl of popcorn, and the Stooges or Marx Brothers on the tv.

159 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:20pm

re: #155 realwest

Uh, Sage, where's the fuckin' driveway?!? No wonder you have to fight the mortgage company - they can't figure out a way to get an inspector or appraiser up to your house!
Kids these days!

;')

Is that the place they used for the Bond film For Your Eyes Only?

160 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:27pm

re: #157 DesertSage

sigh
Yeah, unfortunately.
(did I type that out loud?)

161 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:44pm

re: #149 gmsc

I can just see it now: "Gee, Rio, Madrid, and Tokyo, those are some fine, ancient, and historic cities you got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to them, wouldn't it?"

GMTA...exactly
So you are an official at dinner in Chicago with ahem..the city..
It's like the movie Godfather...

162 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:11:58pm

re: #157 DesertSage

Has anyone ever heard of Mini-Dickmann's?

Not me. When I was in calculus class in college, these were my favorite snacks.

163 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:19pm

re: #146 JacksonTn

Adina ... if you look at the video ... he slapped her ass ...as she was turning to walk off the stage ...

Slapping her ass...shooting the bird at U.S. Senators...what a classy guy. /

He kissed Jill Biden full on the lips when both couples were on stage shortly after Biden was chosen as his running mate. Full on the lips!

He also seemed to kiss Hillary on the lips recently. It was hard to tell because the photo was taken from behind Hillary - but you could see his lips puckered up and he was aiming at the middle of her face.

Another photo showed Obama trying to kiss a young blonde woman at a rally. She was turning away, so he seemed to be puckering up against her cheek with his hand on her arm to hold her still.

He also tends to call women in general by the name "Sweetie."

This guy has some really inappropriate social skills at times.

164 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:20pm

re: #119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So then....What was she worried about that was on BASIC CABLE?

Maybe we had HBO as well, but you must understand. Up until that point, we had the Big Three and PBS. In Small-town America, we had heard about what kinds of movies were shown on HBO. Cable TV was looked upon as potentially exposing children to all manner of debauchery. This was nearly 30 years ago, mind you. Johnny Carson ruled the night.

165 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:26pm

re: #151 spidly

well we can't judge other cultures. all cultures are equal. except for our evil western culture. we do worse things everyday, like force people to go to work after a couple years on welfare, demand they pay 5 or 10 dollars for a 250 dollar prescription...

Not to mention how we bitterly cling to the simplistic notion that those who have wealth are entitled to keep it.

166 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:51pm

re: #149 gmsc

"Is that a challenge?" - Tokyo Yakuza

/if all else fails, deploy the giant fighting robots!

167 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:12:53pm

re: #158 foxtrotter

That was in the early to mid 70's. Funniest part was that William Shatner was the Spokesman for Loblaws, a grocery store chain here in Canada. So during the commercials we would see Captain Kirk with curly hair saying, "Come over to Loblaws."

168 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:13:22pm

I am doing something that I don't think I have done in over 10 years, but that I used to do routinely. Formatting a diskette. And I now realize it takes forever.

169 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:13:23pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton - I think that perhaps he has waay too much time on his hands to be bothered reading LGF, or posts by commenters here, since he obviously holds us all in contempt. That was probably an automated reply. Don't take it personally.

170 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:13:41pm

re: #156 gmsc

If the Supreme Court step doesn't work out, I understand Berg is planning to appeal.
;)

He'll probably try to go to the Alien overlords' governing council, since folk like him usually believe in such "hidden hands." The joke will be on him, though. He does not realize that such an appeal will deliver him straight to a certain bunker beneath the Denver Airport. Buwaaahaaa!

171 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:14:03pm

re: #157 DesertSage

Has anyone ever heard of Mini-Dickmann's?

I hadn't until now. Thanks so much for that.

/poor guys

172 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:14:17pm

re: #162 gmsc

Not me. When I was in calculus class in college, these were my favorite snacks.

LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)

173 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:14:55pm

re: #158 foxtrotter


I'm fortunate that my father didn't push the Three Stooges. He gave it a try, poor thing, but I escaped to another room when it came on. UGH.

He did, however, give me a lifelong love of James Bond, starting with Dr. No. LOL James Bond films showing on TV were our 'popcorn movies'. :)

174 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:15:20pm

re: #126 DesertSage

I believe my exact words were, "A LITTLE MORE SALT ON THE DRIVEWAY MIGHT- OH, SHIT!"

175 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:15:34pm

re: #144 CyanSnowHawk

I was about 8 or 9 when cable first went into the San Diego market. The first movie channel in this area was Channel 100. On one of the frequent free preview weekends I watch Phase IV about 5 times. Ant's still disturb me.

can't believe I've never seen that movie.

re: #158 foxtrotter
Popcorn and
6 million dollar man, Battlestar Galactica, Wonder Woman.
Later: Greatest American Hero ( if your whole family doesn't know the whole theme song you are probably a commie. )
A-team

176 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:15:42pm

re: #147 laZardo

re: #144 CyanSnowHawk

Do they now?

Heh.

177 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:16:04pm

re: #172 BlueCanuck

Leibniz and Newton! I got it! I got it!

178 Charles  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:16:17pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton

You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...

I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.

But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...

"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."

For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.

Uh, that's right. I had nothing to do with your email, of course. Robert seems to be on the verge of a serious paranoid meltdown. How sad.

179 welshgirl  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:16:24pm

re: #157 DesertSage

And the point IS?

180 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:16:32pm

re: #172 BlueCanuck

LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)

Okay, I'm not getting it. :(

181 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:02pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

Heh. My dad imbued the Bond in me when I was young, as well. I made it a point to go to the last two movies on the premiere day, as they actually premiered in the Philippines before the United States.

182 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:07pm

re: #137 BlueCanuck

My parents got me hooked on Star Trek. We would turn the t.v. on with our bowls of popcorn to watch it at night. Ah the good years. I am so thankful that it went into syndication.

I had a cousin who got me to watch it. She had been in an amateur theater group in Boston, with Leonard Nimoy.

183 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:13pm

re: #175 spidly

can't believe I've never seen that movie.

re: #158 foxtrotter
Wonder Woman

She fought for our rights in her silky tights you know.

184 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:17:28pm

re: #166 laZardo

"Is that a challenge?" - Tokyo Yakuza

/if all else fails, deploy the giant fighting robots!

That's all we need - the Italian Mafia and the Japanese Yakuza fighting.

"But Marge, that little guy still didn't move, and I think he is going to do something cool!"
-Homer Simpson

/Hey, 0bama's already taking ideas from Homer Simpson . . .

185 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:02pm

Rustler should be at "work" now and my nic is no longer my own. Good night Lizards.

Real Rancher

186 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:08pm

re: #175 spidly

can't believe I've never seen that movie.

re: #158 foxtrotter
Popcorn and
6 million dollar man, Battlestar Galactica, Wonder Woman.
Later: Greatest American Hero ( if your whole family doesn't know the whole theme song you are probably a commie. )
A-team

Interestingly enough, the song is far more famous than the show, which lasted maybe a season or two.

187 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:12pm

re: #167 BlueCanuck

That was in the early to mid 70's. Funniest part was that William Shatner was the Spokesman for Loblaws, a grocery store chain here in Canada. So during the commercials we would see Captain Kirk with curly hair saying, "Come over to Loblaws."

Haha, that would be surreal.

One of the things I miss from the '80s is the plethora of really poorly made local commercials that they always showed late at night when the rates were cheap. Cheap '80s graphics, lots of shouting, and the worst fashion imaginable.

/wait, wasn't that the '80s in general?

188 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:24pm

re: #169 realwest

If you check his "I hate Charles" posts, you will see that he quickly updates them with information about Charles' "followers" in near real time. And the email back to Walter seems to indicate the same obsessiveness. I think he cares more about this than he (constantly) claims.

BTW - did you see my reply this AM? Had to drive a kid to band and got back and finished the reply. I have an article for you that I will try to find on line and link. Gives context to the whole demise of the Republican party in California. It was assisted suicide when it comes down to it.

189 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:56pm

Watching History International on the Dark Ages.
Right now, it is covering Charles Martel vs Islam.
Where's a Charles Martel when you need him?

190 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:18:59pm

re: #184 gmsc

D'OH!

191 ConservativeAtheist  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:19:03pm

re: #172 BlueCanuck

LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)

I'll bet your favorite hockey team is the Edmonton Eulers too.

192 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:19:39pm

re: #8 Occasional Reader

FIREFLY 2012

Rufus T. Firefly! Change you can believe in!

193 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:19:58pm

re: #189 Kosh's Shadow

Watching History International on the Dark Ages.
Right now, it is covering Charles Martel vs Islam.
Where's a Charles Martel when you need him?

Partying with Jefferson.

194 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:20:11pm

re: #181 laZardo

I like the new James Bond, he's just the right mix of hottie and violent, kick-ass secret agent. LOL

195 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:20:22pm

re: #172 BlueCanuck

LOL. I wonder how many people will get the full joke. :)

Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.

196 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:16pm

re: #187 foxtrotter

Haha, that would be surreal.

One of the things I miss from the '80s is the plethora of really poorly made local commercials that they always showed late at night when the rates were cheap. Cheap '80s graphics, lots of shouting, and the worst fashion imaginable.

/wait, wasn't that the '80s in general?

You know what I miss about the 80s? The music.

197 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:18pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

I'm fortunate that my father didn't push the Three Stooges. He gave it a try, poor thing, but I escaped to another room when it came on. UGH.

He did, however, give me a lifelong love of James Bond, starting with Dr. No. LOL James Bond films showing on TV were our 'popcorn movies'. :)

Now James Bond, that is a guy thing. :)

Just kidding, though I only like the Connery ones.

198 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:42pm

re: #180 DesertSage

Okay, I'm not getting it. :(

Both invented Calculus at the same time. Liebenz cookies, and Newton cookies.

/history and science geek here.
//Newton made it his life long mission to destroy Liebenz.

199 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:21:45pm

re: #180 DesertSage

Okay, I'm not getting it. :(

The two people largely responsible for developing calculus are Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz and Sir Isaac Newton.

BTW, don't let calculus scare you. Check out A Gentle Introduction To Learning Calculus for an explanation that will make you go, "Aha!"

200 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:06pm

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

201 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:32pm

re: #183 CyanSnowHawk

She fought for our rights in her silky tights you know.

Weren't we all Wonder Woman for Halloween in the '80s? I had the costume and the Underoos.

202 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:38pm

re: #197 foxtrotter

Now James Bond, that is a guy thing. :)

Just kidding, though I only like the Connery ones.

The way they keep replacing Bonds, I'll never get to see Bond chasing Blaufeld on wheelchairs through an old age home.

203 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:22:47pm

re: #194 gop_patriot

I agree. And I haven't liked any of the others since Sean Connery.

204 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:23:18pm

re: #187 foxtrotter

Haha, that would be surreal.

One of the things I miss from the '80s is the plethora of really poorly made local commercials that they always showed late at night when the rates were cheap. Cheap '80s graphics, lots of shouting, and the worst fashion imaginable.

/wait, wasn't that the '80s in general?

Do you live in a major TV market? Most of those crap commercials in San Diego went away around then. I thought it was a nationwide phenomenon. Every now and then I visit the folks out in Amarillo, and get to see that some of that stuff still being made and shown in Prime Time. Their local commercials are wonders to behold sometimes.

205 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:23:27pm

re: #178 Charles

Uh, that's right. I had nothing to do with your email, of course. Robert seems to be on the verge of a serious paranoid meltdown. How sad.

Cognitive dissonance will do that.

206 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:23:31pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

LOL!

207 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:01pm

re: #162 gmsc

re: #200 DesertSage
not.saying.anything...

208 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:01pm

re: #194 gop_patriot

I will admit that Quantum of Solace is the kind of Bond movie where you actually have to watch the previous one in order to really get it though.

209 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:18pm

re: #196 laZardo

You know what I miss about the 80s? The music.

Are you trying to wind me up? I love Rick Astley. Still. Seriously. The Stock-Aitken-Waterman catalog is highly-underated.

Okay, well maybe not under-rated, but ever-so-slightly underappreciated. :)

210 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:27pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

HAHAHA

/if you really can't read it, squint. lol

211 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:28pm

The spirit of Charles Martel and his victory at Lourdes is alive in Iraq and Afghanistan. The American people should be proud of their children who serve as the tip of the spear in preserving liberty all around the world.

212 talon_262  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:35pm

re: #178 Charles

Uh, that's right. I had nothing to do with your email, of course. Robert seems to be on the verge of a serious paranoid meltdown. How sad.

Spencer should be paranoid...he's associating himself with unsavory characters that are using him and others like him to gain respectability in the wider anti-jihad fight, when VB and friends would just as soon stick a dagger in their backs while smiling at them and twist it happily after their usefulness is exhausted.

/Think I'm kidding, Robert?

213 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:38pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

LOL - squint. It is a funny message.

214 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:46pm

re: #199 gmsc

BTW, don't let calculus scare you. Check out A Gentle Introduction To Learning Calculus for an explanation that will make you go, "Aha!"

I went up through Calculus III in college but I think this is neat, too!

Thanks!

215 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:46pm

re: #194 gop_patriot

I like the new James Bond, he's just the right mix of hottie and violent, kick-ass secret agent. LOL

He is my favorite so far of the new ones ...but Connery still my favorite ....

216 Inquisitive  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:47pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(


I read it....so sorry you couldn't....LOL....

217 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:24:53pm

re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.

What about Choco Copernicus? It seems like a pretty standard candy, until you get to the surprise at the center.
:D

218 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:25:23pm

re: #210 gop_patriot

HAHAHA

/if you really can't read it, squint. lol

Well.....why can't I read it?

219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:25:28pm

re: #194 gop_patriot

I like the new James Bond, he's just the right mix of hottie and violent, kick-ass secret agent. LOL

Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.

220 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:25:58pm

re: #200 DesertSage

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

Follow the instructions.

It's readable if you pull both your eyes towards your ears.

221 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:04pm

re: #183 CyanSnowHawk

She fought for our rights in her silky tights you know.

ohh-oh-oh-hohhh yes she did.
Colonel Wilma Deering fought for our intergalactic rights in a nice pants too.

222 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:10pm

re: #212 talon_262

Not to mention the hundreds of fatwas. Some paranoia is justifiable, IMHO.

223 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:14pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

Dude! It clearly says- oh, shit.

224 Inquisitive  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:17pm

re: #218 DesertSage

Well.....why can't I read it?

You must have bad eyes.......

225 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:27pm

re: #202 Kosh's Shadow

The way they keep replacing Bonds, I'll never get to see Bond chasing Blaufeld on wheelchairs through an old age home.

I was really disappointed that they didn't go with Clive Owen after what's-his-name, the Irish guy. Clive Owen would have gotten me into the theater to see a modern Bond like nobody else could. I have heard the new guy is pretty good, but I am boycotting in protest of no Clive Owen.

226 Intrepid  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:39pm

Anybody heard from Zombie lately?

Just wondering how he/she is doing....

227 DesertSage  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:43pm

Oh....now I know why I couldn't read it.

:(

228 Rancher  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:26:58pm

re: #189 Kosh's Shadow

Where's a Charles Martel when you need him?

Or an El Cid?

Real Rancher

229 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:25pm

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.

Are you kidding me?... Roger Moore is the man!

230 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:26pm

re: #197 foxtrotter

Now James Bond, that is a guy thing. :)

Just kidding, though I only like the Connery ones.

Lots of us women like James Bond. He's good-looking, exciting, and dangerous. Hubba. ;)

/I don't like chick flicks lol

231 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:29pm

re: #209 foxtrotter

Well then. (:

232 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:30pm

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.

you've got to move past that my friend....it's over..you need closure.
/

233 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:35pm

re: #227 DesertSage

Oh, you poor, poor man. ;)

234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:27:48pm

re: #226 Intrepid

Anybody heard from Zombie lately?

Just wondering how he/she is doing....

Zombie was here a few days ago, election night.

235 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:26pm

re: #220 Adina in Judea

Follow the instructions.

It's readable if you pull both your eyes towards your ears.

ow ow ow. I keep scratching my corneas.

236 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:31pm

re: #213 karmic_inquisitor

LOL - squint. It is a funny message.

I found when I leaned back, and stopped looking directly at it, I could read it fine.
I guess my eyes are fine, as they should be.

237 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:42pm

re: #188 karmic_inquisitor
Gee, no I didn't see your post to me.
Hey, my nic is in blue if you want to e-mail it to me!

238 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:48pm

re: #204 CyanSnowHawk

Do you live in a major TV market? Most of those crap commercials in San Diego went away around then. I thought it was a nationwide phenomenon. Every now and then I visit the folks out in Amarillo, and get to see that some of that stuff still being made and shown in Prime Time. Their local commercials are wonders to behold sometimes.

Shoot, even in major TV markets, you can find them. We have oodles of those type of commercials in Chicago during the late night hours. Granted, most of them are on the second tier stations or the cable only stations, but they're still there.

239 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:28:54pm

re: #226 Intrepid

Taking a well-deserved break, I imagine.

240 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:28pm

re: #217 gmsc

What about Choco Copernicus? It seems like a pretty standard candy, until you get to the surprise at the center.
:D

They're a bit too hot for me.

241 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:31pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

/right

242 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:43pm

re: #239 Noam Sayin'

Which leads me to believe Charles has perfected some kind of cloning process.

243 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:46pm

re: #204 CyanSnowHawk

Do you live in a major TV market? Most of those crap commercials in San Diego went away around then. I thought it was a nationwide phenomenon. Every now and then I visit the folks out in Amarillo, and get to see that some of that stuff still being made and shown in Prime Time. Their local commercials are wonders to behold sometimes.

I am just outside Lansing MI and grew up between Lansing and Flint. I haven't seen those cheesy commercials since the early '90s at the latest. Well, we do have a local car dealer who wears a cowboy hat and screams at us while riding a horse (and plugging his riding stables) but that's about it. It doesn't surprise me that cheesy '80s-style ads are still made, I'm just disappointed we don't get them around here anymore.

244 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:29:48pm

re: #228 Rancher

Or an El Cid?

Real Rancher

Go to Iraq or Afghanistan, you will see people with his spirit and determination pushing back the bearded fools who shoot women in the back of the head because they refuse to wear a burqa.

245 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:30:05pm

I saw this on a site tonight ... there was legislation some time back ...to make it so you only had to pay for cable channels you actually wanted ...it failed .... I want them to bring that back up for a vote ...I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ....

246 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:30:14pm

re: #208 laZardo

I will admit that Quantum of Solace is the kind of Bond movie where you actually have to watch the previous one in order to really get it though.

I like the idea of continuing storyline from one film to the other. Interesting!

247 Maximu§  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:37pm

re: #232 HoosierHoops

you've got to move past that my friend....it's over..you need closure.
/

The new James Bond movie trailer looked great.

248 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:41pm

re: #245 JacksonTn

I saw this on a site tonight ... there was legislation some time back ...to make it so you only had to pay for cable channels you actually wanted ...it failed .... I want them to bring that back up for a vote ...I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ....

oxygen and lifetime. I'd pay extra to get that crap off my TV.

249 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:42pm

re: #229 shanec99

re: #232 HoosierHoops

The box office tells the truth. Adjusted for inflation, Sean Connery in James Bond films made over 700 times MORE than what all the other actors playing Bond did together.

250 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:31:49pm

re: #231 laZardo

Well then. (:

Was there ever a video for It Would Take a Strong Strong Man? That is my favorite Astley song. I remember watching that first video at Christmas 1987, everyone gathered in the living room, around the Christmas tree, presents piled up, and all eyes on MTV watching Rick Astley.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:12pm

re: #238 Honorary Yooper

Shoot, even in major TV markets, you can find them. We have oodles of those type of commercials in Chicago during the late night hours. Granted, most of them are on the second tier stations or the cable only stations, but they're still there.

We have a car dealer who did a commercial like the Jetson's opening - he was driving his children and wife to various places, giving them money, and finally his wife took his wallet, leaving him with the money he had taken out to give her.

252 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:23pm

re: #245 JacksonTn

I saw this on a site tonight ... there was legislation some time back ...to make it so you only had to pay for cable channels you actually wanted ...it failed .... I want them to bring that back up for a vote ...I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ....

I think the Cable companies would just find a way to charge the same price no matter how many channels you receive. I'm a bonified channel surfer, the only channels I can truly say that I *never* watch are religious channels and shopping channels, almost anything else I've at least peaked at lol

253 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:42pm

re: #248 spidly

oxygen and lifetime. I'd pay extra to get that crap off my TV.

That, and ellipses.

*ducks and runs*

G'night, everyone.

254 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:32:50pm

re: #226 Intrepid

I would guess that the Undead One is taking a well-deserved vacation.
I'm not sure where the undead do that.
In a dark forest? In a cemetery?
We do not know and dare not guess.

255 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:10pm

re: #207 Killer Tomato

re: #200 DesertSage
not.saying.anything...

Are you knocking my dinger?

256 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:18pm

re: #245 JacksonTn

I could eliminate almost all of what is on my system ...and save money ....


Sure - we'd all like that. And it'd cost them serious $.
(how many people you got lobbying for you in DC?)

257 Intrepid  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:19pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

Heh - I can read it.

"NO SEX CAUSES BAD EYES".

258 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:26pm

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

As long as we're on Groucho ... snopes is wrong on this one. I was a young kid (born in '42 so I was around 11 or 12) and I did see the show referred to here.

First - it was not the wife but the husband who was on the show. Groucho said "10 kids! - how do you account for that?" he said - "well, Groucho, I love my wife" Groucho said "yeah, well, I love this cigar too, but I take it out once in a while". The audience went nuts - this was live - there was no taping or 10 second delays in the early days of TV.

Off and on over a full 5 minutes the audience would snicker and then burst out in laughter - they couldn't get the show started again.

Every time Groucho would utter a sound the audience and the guests would crack up again. After 15 or so minutes we went to the station test pattern - and that was it for that show. Nothing came on till the next show was scheduled - on the next half hour.

Groucho never said "my mouth".

Any one else remember this one? Cause I sure do ... still. It was a ripper - seared into my brain.

I call BS on Snopes!

259 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:27pm

re: #249 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #232 HoosierHoops

The box office tells the truth. Adjusted for inflation, Sean Connery in James Bond films made over 700 times MORE than what all the other actors playing Bond did together.

I can't prove that, so just trust me on it, ok?
/

260 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:33:41pm

re: #250 foxtrotter

I should check.

Rick Astley actually had a concert in Manila last August 1...I would have loved to get tickets. And then subsequently Manila-Roll'd.

261 Promethea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:34:30pm

re: #153 Killer Tomato

They're going to be such a charming first couple, don't you think? Marvelous ambassadors for the US. Just ooze class.

But they're so cool!

/

262 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:34:54pm

Obama Positioned to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions

Transition advisers to President-elect Barack Obama have compiled a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse White House policies on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues, according to congressional Democrats, campaign aides and experts working with the transition team.

I wonder what the other 197 are?

/grab your hand basket, Obama's taking us for a joyride

263 Semi Cartman  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:12pm

re: #145 Adina in Judea

Didn't clinton spend eight years doing this kind of shit? More of the same.

264 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:13pm

re: #230 gop_patriot

Lots of us women like James Bond. He's good-looking, exciting, and dangerous. Hubba. ;)

/I don't like chick flicks lol

Oh, I'm with you there. Chick flicks and chick lit are enough to make me gag. I wanted to scream when they tried to sell us that new version of The Women. The original is a catty classic, a remake was pointless and opportunistic. Of course, I think it was Diane English doing it so I'm not surprised, but I hate being told what I should enjoy just because I'm female. I read history books and actively avoid anything with a pink high heel on the cover. Which is hard because I work in a bookstore and we sell tons of that crap.

265 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:14pm

re: #250 foxtrotter

Was there ever a video for It Would Take a Strong Strong Man? That is my favorite Astley song. I remember watching that first video at Christmas 1987, everyone gathered in the living room, around the Christmas tree, presents piled up, and all eyes on MTV watching Rick Astley.

MTV Christmas in the 80's

yack. shite. even in the day

266 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:41pm

re: #255 gmsc

Actually, I had started a reply to you about your snacks, and got sidetracked.... I forgot your # was still on there.

267 Outrider  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:35:56pm

re: #10 Max Darkside

Obama's entire agenda goes down the memory hole:
[Link: change.gov...]
including defense, economy, IRAN, IRAQ and about 20 other topics.

Gone.

No biggie. I copied all the web pages a couple days back. lol

268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:36:37pm

re: #250 foxtrotter

Was there ever a video for It Would Take a Strong Strong Man? That is my favorite Astley song. I remember watching that first video at Christmas 1987, everyone gathered in the living room, around the Christmas tree, presents piled up, and all eyes on MTV watching Rick Astley.

Rick Astley? Geez. Wasn't Air Supply available that night?

269 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:36:47pm

re: #262 Killian Bundy

Obama Positioned to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions


I wonder what the other 197 are?

/grab your hand basket, Obama's taking us for a joyride

I think this is pretty par for the course for Presidents, I'm sure Bush reversed a bunch of Clinton executive orders.

The real fun is going to be to see who Bush pardons in his last few days.

270 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:06pm

re: #254 wolfie

I would guess that the Undead One is taking a well-deserved vacation.
I'm not sure where the undead do that.
In a dark forest? In a cemetery?
We do not know and dare not guess.

I can't wait for news reports during the next 4 years: "President 0bama will be taking his first trip to Europe next week. The White House has not released information on whether he will travel by boat, by plane, or by parting the waters of the Atlantic Ocean and walking across."

/I'm just kidding.
//0bama wouldn't have to part the waters to walk across the Atlantic Ocean

271 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:15pm

re: #51 William

ROSE: I don't know what Barack Obama's worldview is.

BROKAW: No, I don't either.

Paging Chancey Gardener Rasputin.

272 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:27pm

re: #256 Killer Tomato

Sure - we'd all like that. And it'd cost them serious $.
(how many people you got lobbying for you in DC?)

Zero lobbying for me ...(sorry Noam) ...but maybe talk radio might push for it ...I would like to take all news channels off my list ...

273 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:27pm

re: #249 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #232 HoosierHoops

The box office tells the truth. Adjusted for inflation, Sean Connery in James Bond films made over 700 times MORE than what all the other actors playing Bond did together.

I watched only one james bond movie..When we and my friend were 16 we kept trying to sneak into see some over x rated movie..
We failed like 10 times in a row..upon not sneaking in, we would watch diamonds are forever.
I've never seen a james bond movie since.

274 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:37:48pm

re: #225 foxtrotter

I was really disappointed that they didn't go with Clive Owen after what's-his-name, the Irish guy. Clive Owen would have gotten me into the theater to see a modern Bond like nobody else could. I have heard the new guy is pretty good, but I am boycotting in protest of no Clive Owen.

I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)

275 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:38:43pm

re: #254 wolfie

I would guess that the Undead One is taking a well-deserved vacation.
I'm not sure where the undead do that.
In a dark forest? In a cemetery?
We do not know and dare not guess.

Well let's just surmise that zombie has gone to ground for now. ;)

276 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:38:56pm

re: #268 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Rick Astley? Geez. Wasn't Air Supply available that night?

Air Supply was more of an early '80s thing. Sorry.

/yeah, I love Air Supply too.

277 Clemente  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:19pm

re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.

And the timely Fig Hawkings.

278 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:26pm

re: #258 Bobibutu

That is hilarious!

279 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:48pm

re: #270 gmsc

I'm glad you made that correction.
I wouldn't want to have to report you to the proper authorities!

280 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:39:51pm

re: #272 JacksonTn

Talk radio? They better move fast - they've only got another couple months.

281 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:40:57pm

re: #274 gop_patriot

I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)

Clive Owen is somewhere between Daniel Craig and Bruce Campbell. Couldn't see him as Bond after Sin City and that POS Shoot 'Em Up

282 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:41:25pm

re: #265 spidly

MTV Christmas in the 80's

yack. shite. even in the day

This is the coolest Christmas special of the '80s - Will Vinton's Claymation Christmas:

Part I
Part II
Part III

283 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:41:43pm

re: #269 middlecon

I think this is pretty par for the course for Presidents, I'm sure Bush reversed a bunch of Clinton executive orders.

The real fun is going to be to see who Bush pardons in his last few days.

I hope to God it's the two border patrol agents in prison for shooting the Mexican drug dealer, what is their names? Campeon and Ramos?

284 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:41:52pm

re: #273 HoosierHoops

I watched only one james bond movie..When we and my friend were 16 we kept trying to sneak into see some over x rated movie..
We failed like 10 times in a row..upon not sneaking in, we would watch diamonds are forever.
I've never seen a james bond movie since.

Sucks to be you my friend. You really missed a lot of cinema's best offering. Action, adventure, love, morality, stunts and good old fashioned fun.

285 Racer X  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:20pm

re: #200 DesertSage

Can anyone else read this?

I'm serious....I can't read it! :(

Take this eye test .

286 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:23pm

re: #280 Killer Tomato

Talk radio? They better move fast - they've only got another couple months.

The fairness doctrine, yet another one of the ways that the Democratic congress could go overboard and cause a nice backlash in 2010.

I don't think they will have the balls to risk it.

287 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:36pm

re: #274 gop_patriot

I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)

Daniel Craig as Bond - Casino Royale - the first 15 minutes will sell you - absolute knock yer socks off. Yheaaaa Baby!

288 slokat  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:51pm

re: #231 laZardo

Well then. (:

Does that qualify as being Rick Rolled?

289 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:55pm

re: #283 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

God willing.

290 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:55pm

re: #281 spidly

T'was only a few weeks before Quantum of Solace that I learned that Daniel Craig was also in the first Tomb Raider movie.

/random video game nerd moment 8B

291 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:56pm

re: #219 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sean Connery IS James Bond. That will never change.

Sean Connery is also a self-admitted misogynist who thinks it's a man's privilege to beat his wife. For that, he will never get a single penny from me, not even through watching his movies on cable.

He can reverse this when he admits, publicly, that women are people, not property, and his chauvinistic views are wrong.

292 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:42:58pm

re: #269 middlecon

The real fun is going to be to see who Bush pardons in his last few days.


Can he pardon the whole country so we can have an election do-over?

293 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:04pm

re: #274 gop_patriot

I really like Clive Owen too, and wanted him to be Bond. But Daniel Craig is really good. Don't miss out! Rent the other one, then go see this one when it comes out. I think you'll really like Craig as Bond. :)

I didn't mind Daniel Craig in the few things I've seen him in so I guess I should probably get over it and give him a shot. How are the Bond girls though? The girls they seem to pick these days are pretty boring and generic.

294 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:04pm

re: #277 Clemente

And the timely Fig Hawkings.

As long as we're mentioning Newton, Einstein, and Hawking (no s), why not check out their famous poker game?

295 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:07pm

re: #178 Charles
Charles - I don't understand this. Does Mr. Spencer still have the ability to post out here, and if so, why did he not reply directly to Walter on that thread?
Of course, the way Mr. Spencer has been conducting himself lately, with the lame "....have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." I'd certainly understand why you don't let him post out here, I just don't understand his comment - is he really saying what he appears to be saying, that is he's not interested in the Nazi's but applauds their efforts to fight ecomomic problems, but anything else the nazi's do, his endorsement is not necessarily implied?! Didn't that use to try to pass muster under the old rubrick of plausible deniability?

296 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:43:51pm

re: #276 foxtrotter

Air Supply was more of an early '80s thing. Sorry.

/yeah, I love Air Supply too.

I hope you're a female.

297 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:05pm

re: #286 middlecon

The fairness doctrine, yet another one of the ways that the Democratic congress could go overboard and cause a nice backlash in 2010.

I don't think they will have the balls to risk it.

I'm ready to bet money that we have a Republican-majority Congress in 2011.

298 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:32pm

re: #295 realwest

The Nazi comparison was an analogy made about what Mr. Spencer really said.

It wasn't what Mr. Spencer actually wrote.

299 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:40pm

re: #288 slokat

They called it the "Alt Roll," since I would otherwise be DOING IT WRONG.

300 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:44:47pm

re: #226 Intrepid

Anybody heard from Zombie lately?

Just wondering how he/she is doing....

Well about a hundred thousand dead voted up in Cleveland so I guess zombie is shambling around the "mistake on the lake" searching for brains to eat.

301 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:11pm

re: #284 shanec99

Sucks to be you my friend. You really missed a lot of cinema's best offering. Action, adventure, love, morality, stunts and good old fashioned fun.

The closest I got was austin powers..the spy that shagged me..funny stuff..

302 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:25pm

re: #298 Adina in Judea

Correction:

The Nazi statement was an analogy made about what Mr. Spencer really wrote.

It wasn't what Mr. Spencer actually wrote.

303 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:45pm

re: #265 spidly

MTV Christmas in the 80's

yack. shite. even in the day

Ugh. My "favorite" line from that song was always Bono's "well tonight thank god it's them, instead of you!" Huh? I mean, yeah, I was glad I wasn't dying of starvation in Africa, but it always seemed like such a weird line for a song like that. I suppose it was there to make us all feel guilty enough to buy the single and "do our part."

304 capitalist piglet  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:45:52pm

re: #276 foxtrotter

Air Supply was more of an early '80s thing. Sorry.

/yeah, I love Air Supply too.

It is better to have loved and lost than to have to listen to "Lost In Love" by Air Supply.

/tune nazi

305 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:46:01pm

Someone could check Zombie's blog to see if he's active. I don't know theURL.

306 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:46:45pm

Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.

307 Max Darkside  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:46:57pm

re: #267 Outrider

No biggie. I copied all the web pages a couple days back. lol

It is fine to have copies, if you can put them to good use. I'm concerned that his entire agenda disappeared in a blink. This isn't some candidate, it's the POTUS-elect and as such, each word must be carefully thought out before making it public. You DO NOT / MUST NOT just put up an agenda for the world to see, then pull it down, replacing it with essentially nothing. This is no longer time for jokes, "oopsie!", etc.

308 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:47:00pm

re: #304 capitalist piglet

LOL

309 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:47:01pm

re: #264 foxtrotter

You work in a bookstore? Awesome, one of my favorite places to be. :) I have to admit though, I have an 11 year old daughter and some of her (slightly older) friends have been reading Twilight. So I read it to check it out.

And finished the whole series in a week because I had to know how the story ended...

It's not very well written, but then it was written for teens, from a teenager's point of view, in 1st person. Not exactly a formula for great literature. LOL The Twilight series is absolutely the closest I've ever come to reading a romance story. X)

310 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:47:08pm

re: #291 victor_yugo

How about a link proving that?

311 Karridine  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:47:44pm

re: #267 Outrider

Outrider, check yr Inbox, por favor...

312 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:02pm

re: #305 Moe Katz

Someone could check Zombie's blog to see if he's active. I don't know theURL.

Yep, last post was two days ago.

313 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:37pm

re: #278 gop_patriot

That is hilarious!

And it really happened. More subtle than Snopes puts it ... Grouch was a master. My Grandma and he were friends from Vaudeville times.

Yeah - my G'ma was a V'ville honey who played in Peoria. Till she met Granddad.

314 Semi Cartman  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:49pm

re: #281 spidly

315 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:48:55pm

re: #306 Moe Katz

Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.

LOL
don't you hate it when you get a song stuck in your head and you just hate it?

316 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:49:13pm

re: #301 HoosierHoops

The closest I got was austin powers..the spy that shagged me..funny stuff..

Good lord... please don't compare the two... Comparing Austin Powers to James Bond is like comparing the some gifted NY subway graffiti artist's rendition to the Mona Lisa.

There would be no comparison expect that pigments were placed on a surface for the public to see.

317 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:49:29pm

re: #281 spidly

Clive Owen is somewhere between Daniel Craig and Bruce Campbell. Couldn't see him as Bond after Sin City and that POS Shoot 'Em Up

LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)

318 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:17pm

re: #306 Moe Katz

Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.

I like that song. Reminds me of my drunk and stupid daze, when I didn't care or have a worry in the world.

319 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:18pm

re: #297 victor_yugo

I'm ready to bet money that we have a Republican-majority Congress in 2011.

Not a chance.

320 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:34pm

Thrilling news from Israel about Hamas. Moonbats must be going out of their minds with thoughts of peace and kittens all over the universe:

Clare Short, who served in the cabinet of former British prime minister Tony Blair, asked Haniyeh to repeat his offer. He said the Hamas government had agreed to accept a Palestinian state that followed the 1967 borders and to offer Israel a long-term hudna, or truce, if Israel recognized the Palestinians' national rights.

No peace, but an entire CEASE FIRE in exchange for Israel moving half a million Jews while also allowing millions of Arabs to flood into Israel!

Wow!

/sarc

Haniyeh: Hamas willing to accept Palestinian state with 1967 borders

321 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:43pm

re: #317 gop_patriot

LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)

The movie is "Evil Dead", or "Evil Dead 2", or "Army of Darkness". Check him out in "Bubbahotep". Hilarious movie.

322 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:43pm

re: #282 gmsc

This is the coolest Christmas special of the '80s - Will Vinton's Claymation Christmas:

Part I
Part II
Part III

will vinton studios just down the way from me

323 Karridine  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:50:49pm

re: #258 Bobibutu

I saw it around 1972-74?, when it was rerun as part of a retrospective on Groucho.

I concur yr observation, "...but I take it out..."

/and I really enjoyed the one-man revue on Broadway by 'Meathead'... VERY poignant when we weren't laughing ourselves silly at 'Grouchos' antics...

324 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:51:18pm

re: #296 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I hope you're a female.

Uh, yeah. I only know one guy who is willing to admit he likes Air Supply and, while he isn't gay, he is totally clueless. There are certain bands and songs that you really can't admit you like if you're a guy and have any interest in getting girls. Air Supply is one of those bands. Oh, and Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of those songs.

/Though I wonder about some of these young guys these days.

325 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:51:24pm

re: #315 HoosierHoops

LOL
don't you hate it when you get a song stuck in your head and you just hate it?

NOTHING more infuriating!

326 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:51:57pm

re: #319 wolfie

Not a chance.

How much would you like to bet?

327 Palandine  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:10pm

re: #317 gop_patriot

LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)

Evil Dead II and Army of Darkness
/groovy

328 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:14pm

re: #319 wolfie

Not a chance.

I don't see why not, if there is a coherent message and a repeat of 1994 its VERY possible. We are talking about a Congress with even lower approval ratings than President Bush.

329 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:18pm

re: #293 foxtrotter

I didn't mind Daniel Craig in the few things I've seen him in so I guess I should probably get over it and give him a shot. How are the Bond girls though? The girls they seem to pick these days are pretty boring and generic.

Actually they're very pretty, interesting, and in the last movie, one was actually exceptionally smart. lol

330 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:24pm

re: #258 Bobibutu
I agree with you - I saw it too - it was not a radio broadcast, it was on B&W TV and it was live. He didn't say it however, to the husband, but to Mrs. Story - I remember that so well because the other contestent was a guy and he looked SHOCKED at what Groucho had said. And as you said, it went IMMEDIATELY to a test pattern.

331 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:52:36pm

re: #317 gop_patriot

LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)

I liked Brisco County. It was a Western with science fiction elements.

332 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:11pm

re: #298 Adina in Judea
Who made the analogy?

333 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:15pm

re: #319 wolfie

Not a chance.


The make up of the 2011 congress will depend on what happens:
1. With the economy
2. Domestic security
3. The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

If you can predict these things (all three, not one or two of them) then you will be able to predict the congress' make up.

334 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:16pm

re: #318 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I like that song. Reminds me of my drunk and stupid daze, when I didn't care or have a worry in the world.

Now the mist across the window hides the lines
But nothing hides the colour of the lights that shine
Electricity so fine look and dry your eyes

We so tired of all the darkness in our lives
With no more angry words to say can come alive
Get into a car and drive to the other side

Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light

We are young but getting old before our time
We'll leave the T.V. and the radio behind
Don't you wonder what we'll find steppin' out tonight

You can dress in pink and blue just like a child
And in a yellow taxi turn to me and smile
We'll be there in just a while if you follow me

Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light

335 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:53:47pm

re: #323 Karridine

I saw it around 1972-74?, when it was rerun as part of a retrospective on Groucho.

I concur yr observation, "...but I take it out..."

/and I really enjoyed the one-man revue on Broadway by 'Meathead'... VERY poignant when we weren't laughing ourselves silly at 'Grouchos' antics...

Really! What does that say about Snopes?

336 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:54:01pm

re: #316 shanec99

Good lord... please don't compare the two... Comparing Austin Powers to James Bond is like comparing the some gifted NY subway graffiti artist's rendition to the Mona Lisa.

There would be no comparison expect that pigments were placed on a surface for the public to see.

LOL
i see i've gotten to you :)
So was the movie true lies the american version of 007?
Sean C or Arnold in a bar room fight?
I'd take mike myers..

337 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:55:59pm

re: #321 BlueCanuck

The movie is "Evil Dead", or "Evil Dead 2", or "Army of Darkness". Check him out in "Bubbahotep". Hilarious movie.

Thanks! I'm going to put those in my queue at Netflix. The movie I saw had a castle, and he started out with a regular arm, so maybe it was the first in the series.

338 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:09pm

re: #332 realwest

The analogy was made in #73 by Walter L. Newton:

You may have seen this posting by Charles on the last VB thread...

I emailed Robert Spencer on my own, asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Just for full disclosure. I sent this email to Mr. Spencer, this was his answer and I gave Charles permission to post this if he wanted. Charles did not have anything to do with my question to Mr. Spencer. Charles did not solicit my communication with Mr. Spencer. I was not trolling for Charles nor was I "spying" for Charles.

But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Mr. Spencer has evidently seen Charles posting on the last VB thread, and emailed me this message...

"Yet you say below: 'As far as the rift with Charles Johnson, that's not really my battle. I did not contact you as a "troll" or "spy" for Charles, simply as someone who has respected your work, and I felt I needed to pass on my concerns.' Why not just be honest? Why did you think it necessary to lie to me? It doesn't reflect well on you or Charles Johnson. But of course nothing much of what he does lately reflects well upon him."

For someone who is not very interested in what the European nationalist political parties are doing, Mr. Spencer certainly seems to be VERY INTERESTED in monitoring what is being discussed on LGF. Something to think about.

339 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:10pm

re: #324 foxtrotter

Uh, yeah. I only know one guy who is willing to admit he likes Air Supply and, while he isn't gay, he is totally clueless. There are certain bands and songs that you really can't admit you like if you're a guy and have any interest in getting girls. Air Supply is one of those bands. Oh, and Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of those songs.

/Though I wonder about some of these young guys these days.

Rick Astley's first song- "never gonna give you up"- I was forced to like that by my gf. You have to realize, I've been an Aerosmith fan since I was 13.

340 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:25pm
277 Clemente


re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

Then there's Fig Einsteins. They're relatively good.

And the timely Fig Hawkings.

And the heavenly Fig Galileos.

341 stuiec  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:31pm

re: #306 Moe Katz

Speaking of 80's music I've had Joe Jackson's Stepping Out in my head for days. Only problem is I detest it.

Try singing it to someone. Apparently that has been shown to work.

Or you can try thinking of "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" to displace the other one. (Although I might suggest the Barenaked Ladies instead -- "One Week" or "Kiss Me," or even "If I Had A Million Dollars.")

342 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:47pm

re: #309 gop_patriot

You work in a bookstore? Awesome, one of my favorite places to be. :) I have to admit though, I have an 11 year old daughter and some of her (slightly older) friends have been reading Twilight. So I read it to check it out.

And finished the whole series in a week because I had to know how the story ended...

It's not very well written, but then it was written for teens, from a teenager's point of view, in 1st person. Not exactly a formula for great literature. LOL The Twilight series is absolutely the closest I've ever come to reading a romance story. X)

I tried to read Twilight one day while I was stuck at the register with nothing else to do. I agree that it is not very well written. I skimmed it for about 100 pages but I just had to give up. I work with quite a few younger girls who love that stuff so I pretty much knew the story but I just couldn't get into it. I had the same problem with Diana Gabaldon's Outlander series. Her writing style made me want to throw the book across the room after 50 pages so I had to give it up. I bet, in Twlight's case, the movie will be better than the book.

343 Semi Cartman  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:56:51pm

re: #286 middlecon

It looks like the mob is loose here. Every left interest wants its spoil, like a riot in a shopping center. I'll bet BO doesn't have the balls to stop them.

344 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:57:24pm

re: #33 spidly

Maybe someone slipped him a constitution and he's realized that his primary mission is national defense and that all this social engineering stuff should really be left to individual states so their schtoopid plans will have limited impact.

what are the odds

It's possible that he had his first national security briefing and it scared the crap out of him.

I know it's not bloody likely, but I can dream....

345 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:57:47pm

re: #328 middlecon

I don't see why not, if there is a coherent message and a repeat of 1994 its VERY possible. We are talking about a Congress with even lower approval ratings than President Bush.

I said the other day 1994 will look like a hiccup compared to 2010. And I stand by that.

346 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:19pm

re: #330 realwest

I agree with you - I saw it too - it was not a radio broadcast, it was on B&W TV and it was live. He didn't say it however, to the husband, but to Mrs. Story - I remember that so well because the other contestent was a guy and he looked SHOCKED at what Groucho had said. And as you said, it went IMMEDIATELY to a test pattern.

OK - I am recounting my brain cells - I may be confused - the test pattern may have come on immediately but they tried to get back on for 15 or so minutes.

347 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:21pm

re: #306 Moe Katz

Good times!

348 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:53pm

re: #317 gop_patriot

LOL about Bruce Campbell. Love that crazy movie he was in where he had a chainsaw for an arm. (He is great on Burn Notice)

Army of Darkness, of course

Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?
349 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:58:54pm

re: #73 Walter L. Newton
and
re: #298 Adina in Judea
Walter said in a response to Walter's e-mail

Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

so I don't see how it was an analogy.

350 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:59:41pm

re: #326 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #328 middlecon

The Dems have a seemingly endless supply of money.
They have the MSM to hide whatever they do and spin everything else.
If something happens that they can't hide, they'll blame it on Bush.

If the GOP tries to stop them, they'll be demonized as obstructionists.
If they don't try to stop them, they'll be useless nothings.

Who caught the flak for the mortage meltdown? The Dems who created it or the ones who tried to stop it?

351 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 10:59:45pm

re: #341 stuiec

Try singing it to someone. Apparently that has been shown to work.

Or you can try thinking of "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" to displace the other one. (Although I might suggest the Barenaked Ladies instead -- "One Week" or "Kiss Me," or even "If I Had A Million Dollars.")

I'll sing it to my wife. Good idea. I don't sing too well but I have a VERY indulgent wife.

352 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:00:16pm

re: #334 Moe Katz

How can anybody dislike that song? One of the best of the '80s. ;)

/Not saying much.

(Perhaps someone would like to bring up some more socially acceptable bands/artists. I'm a huge Replacements/Paul Westerberg fan.)

353 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:00:42pm

re: #343 Semi Cartman

It looks like the mob is loose here. Every left interest wants its spoil, like a riot in a shopping center. I'll bet BO doesn't have the balls to stop them.

Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine is just the type of thing to get the Republican base to the voting booth.

Not only that the actual idea is laughable and impractical, could you imagine the death of the AM radio industry if they were forced to put on Air America or soemthing like that for 3 hours a day?

There is really no defending the Fairness Doctrine, only Chuck Schumer is really for it, if he goes forward with it, its a BIG loser for the Dems.

354 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:02pm

re: #310 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

How about a link proving that?

As to Sean Connery's misogyny, I can't prove it with a web link, because it's something I heard him repeat on a Barbara Walters interview in the early 90's. He had said as much in an earlier interview with her, and she pressed him on it again. He hadn't changed his views. She even quoted him as saying, in so many words, that he believed "it's a man's right to beat his wife." He stated unequivocally that he hadn't changed his mind.

When I heard that, I vowed that he would get nothing from me until he renounced his medieval attitude. And if he goes to his grave with it, then I'll never again watch a Sean Connery movie.

355 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:48pm

re: #324 foxtrotter

Uh, yeah. I only know one guy who is willing to admit he likes Air Supply and, while he isn't gay, he is totally clueless. There are certain bands and songs that you really can't admit you like if you're a guy and have any interest in getting girls. Air Supply is one of those bands. Oh, and Bonnie Tyler's Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of those songs.

My Mom has some funny stories about songs that girlfriends (or entire graduating classes in High School) liked when she was a teenager.

One girl she knew loved the song "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" and her boyfriend was rather glum about it for weeks.

She knew someone whose High School graduating class chose "We Got to Get Out of This Place" as their class song. When the school didn't go for it, they chose "It's Kind of a Drag." :-)

356 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:49pm

re: #347 laZardo

Good times!

You know what? It's a good tune. It's his singing that irritates me, and I can imagine a more jazz/traditional pop arrangement with a real singer being quite pleasing.

357 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:01:53pm

re: #345 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I really hope y'all are right.

358 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:02:18pm

re: #320 Adina in Judea

That's always been a non-starter from the Israeli side. The 1967 borders are indefensible and, besides, a hudna isn't peace, it's a truck stop on the River to the Sea road.

/hopefully, Israel has no intention of further assisting in her own suicide

359 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:02:36pm

re: #352 foxtrotter

How can anybody dislike that song? One of the best of the '80s. ;)

/Not saying much.

(Perhaps someone would like to bring up some more socially acceptable bands/artists. I'm a huge Replacements/Paul Westerberg fan.)

It actually is a good tune, with nice chord changes. His voice grates on my nerves, though.

360 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:00pm

re: #349 realwest

and
re: #298 Adina in Judea
Walter said in a response to Walter's e-mail

so I don't see how it was an analogy.

Hey Real..OT here..
Since you were a lawyer..
Did you ever see the movie the rainmaker with i think matt damon?
great movie

361 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:02pm

re: #342 foxtrotter

re: #309 gop_patriot

I never realized how popular it was until someone showed me a web page making fun of it. Then my little brother borrowed it just "so he could have something to talk about."

And now there's gonna be a movie out and I'm like WHAT WHEN WHY HOW THE FUCK DID IT BECOME SO POPULAR!?

/yeah. took me by surprise.

362 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:31pm

re: #342 foxtrotter

The first person and short sentences really drove me nuts at first. I put it down and picked it up to try reading again at least 3 times the first day. LOL But I ended up babysitting for a friend and all of our kids that night, after they were all asleep, I was sufficiently bored to keep reading. So once I was over the "ugh this is not up to my usual standard", I finished reading. ;) I do like the story, and hope the movie is good. I'm sure I'll be taking my daughter and her friends; if it's not rude or inappropriate for pre-teens.

363 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:39pm

re: #349 realwest

This was the analogy:

But I thought Mr. Spencer's answer spoke volumes. This is like saying "Actually, I am fighting economic problems in Germany, and have no interest in or intention to investigate The Nazi party. Insofar as they are fighting economic problems, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

Mr. Spencer never actually mentioned the Nazi Party.

It was just in the analogy.

See what I mean?

364 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:52pm

re: #350 wolfie

re: #328 middlecon

The Dems have a seemingly endless supply of money.
They have the MSM to hide whatever they do and spin everything else.
If something happens that they can't hide, they'll blame it on Bush.

If the GOP tries to stop them, they'll be demonized as obstructionists.
If they don't try to stop them, they'll be useless nothings.

Who caught the flak for the mortage meltdown? The Dems who created it or the ones who tried to stop it?

Bush just won in 2004, and Obama only got 53% in 2008, I refuse to beleive that their will never be another motivated conservative movement in the country. If Obama and congress manage to screw up like they are fully capable of, there will be plenty of people ready for a different kind of 'change'.

365 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:03:53pm

re: #348 spidly

Army of Darkness is one of those infinitely quotable movies. Blazing Saddles is another.

366 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:04:06pm

re: #334 Moe Katz

Now the mist across the window hides the lines
But nothing hides the colour of the lights that shine
Electricity so fine look and dry your eyes

We so tired of all the darkness in our lives
With no more angry words to say can come alive
Get into a car and drive to the other side

Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light

We are young but getting old before our time
We'll leave the T.V. and the radio behind
Don't you wonder what we'll find steppin' out tonight

You can dress in pink and blue just like a child
And in a yellow taxi turn to me and smile
We'll be there in just a while if you follow me

Me babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light
You babe, steppin' out
Into the night, into the light

/Sorry, I'm taken. ; )

367 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:05:19pm

re: #354 victor_yugo

here

368 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:09pm

re: #320 Adina in Judea

Thrilling news from Israel about Hamas. Moonbats must be going out of their minds with thoughts of peace and kittens all over the universe:

No peace, but an entire CEASE FIRE in exchange for Israel moving half a million Jews while also allowing millions of Arabs to flood into Israel!

Wow!

/sarc

Haniyeh: Hamas willing to accept Palestinian state with 1967 borders

That's a non-starter. Suicide for Israel.

369 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:10pm

re: #358 Killian Bundy

re: #320 Adina in Judea

That's always been a non-starter from the Israeli side. The 1967 borders are indefensible and, besides, a hudna isn't peace, it's a truck stop on the River to the Sea road.

/hopefully, Israel has no intention of further assisting in her own suicide

Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.

I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.

370 esch  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:16pm

re: #365 Honorary Yooper

Army of Darkness is one of those infinitely quotable movies. Blazing Saddles is another.

On my list of Greatest Lines of All Time:

"This, is my BOOMSTICK!"

I could totally see myself saying that.

371 Clemente  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:36pm

re: #340 solomonpanting

And the heavenly Fig Galileos.

Naturally, some select Fig Darwins.

372 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:06:41pm

re: #367 Killer Tomato

here

WOW.

373 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:08pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

The moonbat superciliously began to inform me that I could not fault the Japanese for this since it is just part of their culture that prisoners have shamed themselves and deserve no mercy. I responded that it was just part of our culture to fire-bomb people who do that kind of shit.

I love it.

374 Clemente  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:13pm

re: #371 Clemente

Naturally, some select Fig Darwins.

(uh-oh)

375 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:34pm

re: #367 Killer Tomato

here

Bookmarked, thank you!

376 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:43pm

re: #368 Moe Katz

That's a non-starter. Suicide for Israel.

Absolutely.

Israel won't go for it, but moonbats will go batty over it as if it's a good deal.

377 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:07:44pm

re: #354 victor_yugo

As to Sean Connery's misogyny, I can't prove it with a web link, because it's something I heard him repeat on a Barbara Walters interview in the early 90's. He had said as much in an earlier interview with her, and she pressed him on it again. He hadn't changed his views. She even quoted him as saying, in so many words, that he believed "it's a man's right to beat his wife." He stated unequivocally that he hadn't changed his mind.

When I heard that, I vowed that he would get nothing from me until he renounced his medieval attitude. And if he goes to his grave with it, then I'll never again watch a Sean Connery movie.


The guy sounds like a jerk... I bet you he is part of the Hollywood Liberal Elite.

378 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:02pm

re: #351 Moe Katz

I'll sing it to my wife. Good idea. I don't sing too well but I have a VERY indulgent wife.

blackwater - doobie brothers will get any song out of your head

379 gman  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:05pm

re: #347 laZardo

Good times!

here's to more good times!

380 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:15pm

re: #369 Adina in Judea

Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.

I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.

That was their position when Jimmy Carter last talked to them, wasn't it? What's changed?

381 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:08:58pm

Just for fun, a few hilarious Muppet bloopers for everyone to enjoy!

382 Syrah  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:09:05pm

A drive by post.

A violation of the Iron Fist rule.

Too much of a good unpronounceable Spanish wine.

Thankful for the simple blessings that God gives us.

Keep perspective.

Keep a cool head.

Goodnight.

383 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:09:54pm

re: #361 laZardo

It's become an obsession. It's completely weird. I hear teenage girls talking about "Edward" and I know they're not talking about some guy they know from school. They drop his name like he's their personal friend. Yikes.

384 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:10:30pm

re: #378 spidly

blackwater - doobie brothers will get any song out of your head

Anything by the system of the down will cure any linger 80's songs from your mind.
it's like dirty bleach

385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:10:59pm

re: #354 victor_yugo

As to Sean Connery's misogyny, I can't prove it with a web link, because it's something I heard him repeat on a Barbara Walters interview in the early 90's. He had said as much in an earlier interview with her, and she pressed him on it again. He hadn't changed his views. She even quoted him as saying, in so many words, that he believed "it's a man's right to beat his wife." He stated unequivocally that he hadn't changed his mind.

When I heard that, I vowed that he would get nothing from me until he renounced his medieval attitude. And if he goes to his grave with it, then I'll never again watch a Sean Connery movie.

Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.

386 BakaRanger  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:21pm

re: #145 Adina in Judea

He can collect billions this way from our enemies or anyone else on Earth for his own intentions. No one will ever know what this guy is doing.

Public officials are NOT supposed to take money from others like this.

It's against the law.

/ No controlling legal authority.

387 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:28pm

re: #378 spidly

blackwater - doobie brothers will get any song out of your head

Well, crap. Now that song is stuck in my head.

/heading to iTunes, need some A7x

388 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:33pm

re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.

I tend to take anything Bawa Wawa says with a grain of salt. She's always been a little off-kilter. She desperately needed more time with Stossel on the air to get her some sanity.

389 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:45pm

re: #381 gmsc

Just for fun, a few hilarious Muppet bloopers for everyone to enjoy!

Oh no you don't. I have used that same video for my friends. After they beat up on me the next time we met up. . . . . .

/yes they admitted that it was really well done. still didn't forgive me though.

390 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:12:51pm

re: #380 Moe Katz

re: #369 Adina in Judea

Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.

I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.

That was their position when Jimmy Carter last talked to them, wasn't it? What's changed?

Moonbats will probably see it as a breakthrough that Hamas is talking about accepting a "Palestinian" state at all. They will gloss over the part about how Hamas isn't saying that there would be peace.

Ha'aretz has this as their lead story right now and they're not talking about it as if it's a ridiculous offer. They're not claiming it's a breakthrough either, but the headline sounds kind of breakthrough-ish (if you know what I mean.)

391 Sprite  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:13:00pm

Completely off topic, I'm sure. But I am grieving. I am losing not only family members but also very close, old friends with this election. Unfortunately, most of my family are moonbats. Here is the last of the email exchanges today with my moonbat, Ph.d. (in health care), sister. Mine to her:

One more thing. I am truly sick of lefties like you who immediately name call and suggest you think I'm/we're (conservatives) nuts for pointing out Facts and Reality about which you are clearly unaware! I didn't make up all the news reports. I am not responsible for his heinous, multiple connections to terrorists and their supporters. And I cannot help it that you've chosen not to investigate on your own, as I have.

You can choose to wear rose colored glasses or not. I prefer facts.

My heart weeps for you. And I pray you will begin some extensive reading on 'Dear Leader'. Soon! I've given you plenty of places to start. Actually, I gave several a long time ago when you and Jon forwarded the silky tongue's speech. Obviously you didn't. But I can always "hope" for "change".

392 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:13:14pm

re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.

See #367 above

393 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:14:21pm

re: #369 Adina in Judea

Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.

I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.

Well, you've probably already read a lot of what I had to say on the subject, so I won't bore you. The "moonbats" are going to double down on the pressure.

/no matter what they say in public, you have no friends in power here for the next four years, they've effectively switched sides, you're pretty much on your own and your neighboring enemies know it

394 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:15:56pm

re: #330 realwest

I agree with you - I saw it too - it was not a radio broadcast, it was on B&W TV and it was live. He didn't say it however, to the husband, but to Mrs. Story - I remember that so well because the other contestent was a guy and he looked SHOCKED at what Groucho had said. And as you said, it went IMMEDIATELY to a test pattern.

Now, you have me doubting my self!

You as an attorney and me as an attorneys son and grandson - memory in legal cases is open for all sorts of challenges.

[Link: books.google.com...]

I know there was a guy and gal on stage but my memory says the guy spoke it.

I'm willing to be wrong - but the point is that it happened and Snopes is wrong.

395 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:15:57pm

re: #328 middlecon

I don't see why not, if there is a coherent message and a repeat of 1994 its VERY possible. We are talking about a Congress with even lower approval ratings than President Bush.

RCP Average 10/23 - 11/02 positive: 17.3 negative: 74.0
point spread: -56.7

I mean, jeez. The NYT has higher approval ratings.

Incidentally, the numbers for President Bush:

RCP Average 10/30 - 11/02 positive: 27.8 negative: 68.3
point spread: -40.5

396 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:18pm

re: #153 Killer Tomato

They're going to be such a charming first couple, don't you think? Marvelous ambassadors for the US. Just ooze class.

Caustic, sarcastic response: But they're so cool!

Corrolary to caustic response: If we're going to have a "cool" non-white person up there, why not the mocha-colored girl with big poofy hair who sells everything from clothes at Target, to ipods? She'd be a great President. Think of how much fun the UN would be! And how could the Russians or the Iranians say no to a hip dancing girl in a sweatsuit? She'd give everybody ipods and then Ahmedinejad would start dancing around and it would be like one big coke commercial. Who needs Obama's "tough times and hard work ahead of us"?

Further along that line of thought: Why not just skip the marketing and go straight for direct consumer stimulus? Instead of silly old "refundable tax cuts", why not hand out coupons and gift certificates? Like instead of a $500 Demogrant, they send you a $200 Best Buy gift card and a coupon for a free meal at Sonic if you test drive a GM automobile. Think that might piss off the Obamatons just a little? "Where's my free money!"

I should be on the Obama Cabinet as Secretary for Dumb Ideas. I can't be any worse than the guys he has now.

397 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:26pm

re: #393 Killian Bundy

Well, you've probably already read a lot of what I had to say on the subject, so I won't bore you. The "moonbats" are going to double down on the pressure.

/no matter what they say in public, you have no friends in power here for the next four years, they've effectively switched sides, you're pretty much on your own and your neighboring enemies know it

speaking of moonbats..prior to tuesday you were a moonbat..
Now they are mainstream...
/

398 foxtrotter  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:26pm

re: #362 gop_patriot

The first person and short sentences really drove me nuts at first. I put it down and picked it up to try reading again at least 3 times the first day. LOL But I ended up babysitting for a friend and all of our kids that night, after they were all asleep, I was sufficiently bored to keep reading. So once I was over the "ugh this is not up to my usual standard", I finished reading. ;) I do like the story, and hope the movie is good. I'm sure I'll be taking my daughter and her friends; if it's not rude or inappropriate for pre-teens.

Did you read book 4? I didn't read it myself, but I think quite a few people were floored by where she went with the story. I won't spoil it, but there were quite a few complaints.

One of the positives I can see from the books is a resurgence in the use of the name Edward. Excellent name and I am willing to accept lots of little Edwards running around in exchange for having to sell more copies of the Twilight series. (Though I prefer Edmund as a similar name, personally.)

If you like Vampire stories and don't mind some violence/goriness, I recommend the first 6 books of Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series. After book 6 she goes into territory best left unexplored, but the first 6 books are kick ass action with a tough gun-toting vampire hunter. Definitely adult, but good solid horror.

399 JacksonTn  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:16:43pm

re: #391 Sprite

Completely off topic, I'm sure. But I am grieving. I am losing not only family members but also very close, old friends with this election. Unfortunately, most of my family are moonbats. Here is the last of the email exchanges today with my moonbat, Ph.d. (in health care), sister. Mine to her:

Sprite ..so sorry ..it has happened so much during this election ..I hope it will pass ..family is so important ..

400 pbird  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:17:48pm

re: #385 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Baba Wawa, your source? She's on "The View". Gimme a break.

I am positive that he was pulling her chain just for the hell of it.

401 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:18:10pm

re: #390 Adina in Judea

Moonbats will probably see it as a breakthrough that Hamas is talking about accepting a "Palestinian" state at all. They will gloss over the part about how Hamas isn't saying that there would be peace.

Ha'aretz has this as their lead story right now and they're not talking about it as if it's a ridiculous offer. They're not claiming it's a breakthrough either, but the headline sounds kind of breakthrough-ish (if you know what I mean.)

Nothing surprises me from Al-Aretz.

402 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:19:15pm

re: #338 Adina in Judea
Ah, wait a minute, Walter's exact quote that I was referring to was "Here was his reply to me... 'Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied.' "
What it was that Walter wrote was " asking him if he had any intention of looking into the European nationalist political parties that seem to display a great deal of racism. Here was his reply to me... "Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."
I obviously transposed the analogy to what Mr. Spencer said, but my "net effect" was correct: it was plausable deniability on Mr. Spencer's part to say that insofar as they are doing anything else [other than fightin jihad] my endorsement is not implied [which of course means either he doesn't endorse it or he does, but hasn't said so yet.

403 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:19:38pm

re: #367 Killer Tomato

here

Explain this- Why does Baba Wawa look like she's indoors, and Sean Cnnery is outside?

404 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:19:45pm

re: #391 Sprite

Completely off topic, I'm sure. But I am grieving. I am losing not only family members but also very close, old friends with this election. Unfortunately, most of my family are moonbats. Here is the last of the email exchanges today with my moonbat, Ph.d. (in health care), sister.

It's sad, indeed.

I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.

They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.

Hang in there!

405 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:20:16pm

Sh*t ...

Source:
UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs

HIGHLIGHTS
- The Earthquake in Balochistan province has left 166
deaths and 370 injured (government confirmed figure).

- According to the initial results of McRAM (Multi-Cluster
Rapid Assessment Mechanism) survey of 36 villages in the
three earthquake affected districts of Balochistan (Ziarat,
Pishin and Harnai) Ziarat is the worst affected. Around
68,200 people were affected in the area and need
assistance. About 7,600 houses have been completely or
partially damaged.

SITUATION

1. An earthquake of magnitude 6.4 has hit Balochistan
province in south-western Pakistan on 29 October. According
to the US Geological Survey, the epicenter of the quake was
in Chiltan mountains, 80 kilometers northwest of Quetta.
The first tremor struck at 4:09 am local time (23:09 GMT)
at a depth of 10 kilometer while the second one came at
5:15 am. The affected region is the mountainous area
extending from Ziarat, about 110 KMs northeast of Quetta to
Pishin, Qilla Abdullah to Chaman (border town along Afghan
border). Provincial Disaster Management Authority (PDMA)
reports that the worst hit area falls within villages
Khanozai and Topa Achakzai in eastern Pishin district and
Wachun Kawas village in Ziarat district and possibly Harnai
district (east of Ziarat).

2. According to the initial results of McRAM (Multi-Cluster
Rapid Assessment Mechanism) survey conducted from 31
October to 3 November 2008 in 36 villages of the three most
affected districts of Balochistan, 50% of the 68,200 people
affected are children. Most urgent needs include shelter,
food, warm clothing, emergency medical care, water and
sanitation facilities. Over 32% of the affected population
need immediate shelter and about 62%of the affected
population have no food stock, and those who have will run
out of it within 2-4 weeks

Summary of Damages according to Multi Cluster Rapid
Assessment Mechanism

406 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:21:15pm

re: #402 realwest

you are using dem lawyers words again realwest...
LOL
Good movie on..i can't go to bed
A beautiful mind

407 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:21:56pm

re: #403 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Hey OMD!
Beats the shit outta me - I wasn't there when it was filmed. Video link thingy?

408 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:23:15pm

re: #404 Adina in Judea

It's sad, indeed.

I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.

They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.

Hang in there!

How far right are you, Adina? Like the Kahanists?

409 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:24:49pm

re: #404 Adina in Judea

It's sad, indeed.

I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.

They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.

Hang in there!


My step sister is one of my favorite people in the world, she is a lawyer and moonbat... so she has wierd ideas, but she is a skillfull orator who can hold her own in most arguments even if the facts are stacked high against her (Kind of like the Late Johnnie Cochran of LA).
But I love her and I would rather throw every political disagreement away than lose the kindness we have cultivated over the years.
OK she is a moonbat, and she may have voted for the "messiah", but she is my moonbat.

410 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:04pm

re: #396 Pawn of the Oppressor

Don't remind me of that commercial. It's why I like Pepsi.

/also a big GTA fan...it was very scarring...

411 realwest  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:09pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but my cancer meds have kicked in and I must go to sleep NOW or wake up with keyboard face, again.
I hope you all have an EXCELLENT EARLY EVENING OR EXCELLENT EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

412 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:12pm

re: #407 Killer Tomato

Hey OMD!
Beats the shit outta me - I wasn't there when it was filmed. Video link thingy?

I don't know, but that's the first thing I noticed. It doesn't look like she's on a patio. It looks like she's in a room. And Connery is obviously outside.

413 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:25pm

re: #384 HoosierHoops

Anything by the system of the down will cure any linger 80's songs from your mind.
it's like dirty bleach

Want some clean bleach? Try some John Philip Sousa.

Lots of .mp3 files on that site. :)

Semper Fidelis, King Cotton, Liberty Bell, El Capitan, or Stars and Stripes Forever. That'll brighten your mood.

414 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:32pm

re: #398 foxtrotter

I have read book 4. I liked it the best of all, it surprised me a little, but it kept my interest better than the others.

A good friend's son is named Edward; he's almost 20. People bugged her about using such an "old-fashioned" name when she chose it (family name), but I've always loved it. :)

And I've never read any other vampire books, not really my thing. I did watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer on TV. LOL Thank you for the recommendation though, I will check them out!

415 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:25:50pm

re: #391 Sprite

My family has been torn apart by this election, too, and I'm not sure some of the wounds will heal. One of my brothers (a lifetime Democrat but a McCain supporter) and one of my sisters (an Obamabot) haven't spoken since August.

Families should not talk about politics.
(I wish I always practiced what I preach!)

416 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:27:19pm

re: #415 wolfie

My family has been torn apart by this election, too, and I'm not sure some of the wounds will heal. One of my brothers (a lifetime Democrat but a McCain supporter) and one of my sisters (an Obamabot) haven't spoken since August.

Families should not talk about politics.
(I wish I always practiced what I preach!)

Families can talk about politics, but politics should never cause the cranberry sauce to grow warm or the turkey to get dry!

417 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:28:23pm

re: #411 realwest

G'night, and it's still midafternoon here. (;

418 middlecon  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:28:39pm

re: #415 wolfie

I try to avoid politics and religion in polite conversation, the important thing to remember is that both sides want whats best for the country, they just see different ways to get there.

Life is too short to completely not talk to people because of politics if you like them otherwise. Getting to the point to 'agree to disagree' is the best course of action.

419 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:28:44pm

Night realwest, sleep well and we shall see you in the morning.

420 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:29:17pm

re: #417 laZardo

G'night, and it's still midafternoon here. (;


I am in the Indian Ocean (close to Madagascar) where are you?

421 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:29:33pm

re: #412 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yeah - I'd say they're in two different locations. But you know as much about it as I do.

422 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:29:38pm

re: #415 wolfie

My family has been torn apart by this election, too, and I'm not sure some of the wounds will heal. One of my brothers (a lifetime Democrat but a McCain supporter) and one of my sisters (an Obamabot) haven't spoken since August.

Families should not talk about politics.
(I wish I always practiced what I preach!)

One of the things my G'ma taught me ... never discuss religion or politics. Nuff said.

423 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:30:00pm

re: #393 Killian Bundy

re: #369 Adina in Judea

Israel won't go for committing national suicide in exchange for a cease fire.

I'm sure the moonbats think this is some kind of breakthrough, though.

Well, you've probably already read a lot of what I had to say on the subject, so I won't bore you. The "moonbats" are going to double down on the pressure.

/no matter what they say in public, you have no friends in power here for the next four years, they've effectively switched sides, you're pretty much on your own and your neighboring enemies know it

Israeli politicians refuse to admit it, though. Even those on the right.

Ehud Barak (Labor moonbat) is so tuned in to Obama's socialist/Marxist tendencies that he's telling the voters that after Obama's election, Israelis can't focus anymore on silly things like capitalism and defense. (He didn't say they were silly, but he did say that Israel has to give up on such things as capitalism and defense.)

Bibi Netanyahu (Likud) is saying nice things about Obama but he's also proposing a new sort of peace direction that may change the conversation. He's saying that Israel should work on making financial deals (or product deals of some kind) to encourage peace. He's a finance guru (with a Masters from MIT) who has really helped Israel's economy so he may be able to get some traction with this in the minds of the voters, at least.

The 'land for peace' thing is a crock, so I hope Bibi is able to get across the idea that something other than this can help.

NO ONE in the upcoming Israeli elections will risk insulting Obama.

Tzipi Livni (Kadima) did take a risk after the U.S. election by saying that Obama shouldn't speak to Ahmadinejad because it would signal weakness on Obama's part. I'll bet the rest of Kadima held their breaths to see if Obama would shoot fire out of this mouth at this.

424 gmsc  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:04pm

re: #413 Steffan

Want some clean bleach? Try some John Philip Sousa.

Lots of .mp3 files on that site. :)

I have "Stars and Stripes Forever" as my ringtone. When it rings, I bring it out, point to it, and say, "Souzaphone!"

425 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:19pm

re: #420 shanec99

Manilaaaaaaah.

426 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:21pm

re: #418 middlecon

I try to avoid politics and religion in polite conversation, the important thing to remember is that both sides want whats best for the country, they just see different ways to get there.

Life is too short to completely not talk to people because of politics if you like them otherwise. Getting to the point to 'agree to disagree' is the best course of action.

I just yell, pass pass the turkey and hold the rhubarb pie... that generally puts things into perspective if the discussion begins to get personal or unpalatable.

427 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:31:55pm

re: #402 realwest

I obviously transposed the analogy to what Mr. Spencer said, but my "net effect" was correct: it was plausable deniability on Mr. Spencer's part to say that insofar as they are doing anything else [other than fightin jihad] my endorsement is not implied [which of course means either he doesn't endorse it or he does, but hasn't said so yet.

You're right!

I was just pointing out that Mr. Spencer didn't actually say all this about the actual Nazi Party.

Thanks!

428 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:32:12pm

re: #424 gmsc

I have "Stars and Stripes Forever" as my ringtone. When it rings, I bring it out, point to it, and say, "Souzaphone!"

Groan!

429 Honorary Yooper  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:32:15pm

re: #415 wolfie

Tell me about it, reagarding families and politics. My brother, early 20s, is an Obama fan, yet not even registered to vote. Of course, he gets taken in by advertising easily. I think he likes the image right now, but the reality will hit him like a ton of bricks.

However, I dare not voice that now. Better for him to learn on his own, as usual.

430 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:32:44pm
431 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:07pm

re: #430 ploome hineni

what's wrong with the Kahanists?

I'll get to that later. For now, shaddup.

432 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:08pm

re: #423 Adina in Judea

Pardon me for proposing a point that could stoke tempers...but I think one reason why the West Bank would be more open to "negotiation" is that they're seeing that pulling a Hamas would stifle their own area's development. That and I remember reading somewhere that at least the West Bank Palestinians are starting to notice corruption in their Authority.

433 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:26pm

re: #421 Killer Tomato

Yeah - I'd say they're in two different locations. But you know as much about it as I do.

I don't know, other than I hope he didn't say it, or it was taken out of context. But the way that video looks leads me to believe there was some major league editing done to it.

434 Sprite  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:30pm

Jackson Tn and Adina in Judea,

Thank you for your words of kindness and compassion. I am bereft with the losses. Unfortunately, there will be more. I am no Eeyore; I'm a realist.

And it pains me beyond belief.

Good night, Lizards Fair. May G-d Bless us all.

435 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:33:49pm

re: #430 ploome hineni

what's wrong with the Kahanists?

Want to hear Adina's response first.

436 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:34:18pm
437 Sprite  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:34:34pm

re: #409 shanec99

Perhaps these are lessons in forgiveness?

438 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:34:42pm

re: #425 laZardo

Manilaaaaaaah.

I am in The Islamic Republic of the Comoros. Among the few islamic Democracies in the world.

Here multiple wives are still legal and churches can be found next to mosques.

They really celebrated Pres elect Obama's election here. In Moroni they tied a goat to a tree and painted in big red letters "OBAMA". I couldn't help but laugh.

439 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:34:54pm

re: #436 ploome hineni

Sure, why not?

440 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:34:57pm
441 spidly  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:35:45pm

re: #403 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Explain this- Why does Baba Wawa look like she's indoors, and Sean Cnnery is outside?

best connery performance

442 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:35:49pm

re: #432 laZardo

Pardon me for proposing a point that could stoke tempers...but I think one reason why the West Bank would be more open to "negotiation" is that they're seeing that pulling a Hamas would stifle their own area's development. That and I remember reading somewhere that at least the West Bank Palestinians are starting to notice corruption in their Authority.

Unfortunately, any "moderate" government that might get elected there will then literally be fed into a wood-chipper, a-la Steve Buschemi.

443 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:37:25pm

re: #422 Bobibutu

One of the things my G'ma taught me ... never discuss religion or politics. Nuff said.

I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.

/rant off *whew* sorry

444 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:37:51pm

re: #423 Adina in Judea

Tzipi Livni (Kadima) did take a risk after the U.S. election by saying that Obama shouldn't speak to Ahmadinejad because it would signal weakness on Obama's part.

My cat has more political sense than the One.

445 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:05pm

re: #437 Sprite

Perhaps these are lessons in forgiveness?


Lots of forgiveness, lots of pleasant memories that we cant afford to throw away, lots of sleepless nights and tears while I was serving in Saudi Arabia (Desert Shield/Desert Storm) and Iraq (2006) and lots of hugs at homecomings. How can we throw that away?
Politics be damned.

446 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:09pm

re: #443 gop_patriot

I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.

/rant off *whew* sorry

I have had to bite my tongue a lot lately.

It's getting to be more than i can bear.

447 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:10pm

re: #442 astronmr20

Unfortunately, any "moderate" government that might get elected there will then literally be fed into a wood-chipper, a-la Steve Buschemi.

Fargo! A great movie!

448 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:38:55pm

re: #423 Adina in Judea

The Palis are such an economic basket case, you'd think they'd want to make any deal they could so they could eke out a decent living.

Unfortunately, trivial things like survival don't seem to be on their to-do list -- I distinctly remember that formerly thriving greenhouse that they stripped to the skeleton.

Netanyahu sounds like he might have a workable idea. I hope something positive happens, in any case. Y'all deserve some good fortune.

449 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:40:12pm

re: #447 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Fargo! A great movie!

Indeed.

It took watching it a 2nd time about 10 years later for me to fully "get" it, as I've spent a lot of time during that period going back and forth to Minneapolis from Charlotte for work.

The 2nd time watching, I found myself actually clapping several times at it's brilliant genius.

450 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:40:30pm

re: #424 gmsc

I have "Stars and Stripes Forever" as my ringtone. When it rings, I bring it out, point to it, and say, "Souzaphone!"

Heh.

451 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:41:26pm

re: #446 astronmr20

I have had to bite my tongue a lot lately.

It's getting to be more than i can bear.

Why bite your tongue?
Tell them what you think... I do, my step sister usually responds that I am suffering PTSD from my experiences. It generally brings a laugh and then we pass the sweet potato pie.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.

452 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:42:23pm

One of my ambitions is to whistle the piccolo solo from Stars and Stripes Forever.

453 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:42:47pm

re: #451 shanec99

Why bite your tongue?
Tell them what you think... I do, my step sister usually responds that I am suffering PTSD from my experiences. It generally brings a laugh and then we pass the sweet potato pie.
People can disagree without being disagreeable.

Workplace.

454 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:43:41pm

re: #408 Moe Katz

re: #404 Adina in Judea

It's sad, indeed.

I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.

They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.


Hang in there!

How far right are you, Adina? Like the Kahanists?

No, I'm not a fan of the Kahanists.

I think that they're treated very unfairly at times, but I'm not a fan.

As you know, roughly 75% of the "settlers" are women and children. A handful of Kahanists make it seem as if half a million "settlers" (including the Jews outside the green line in Jerusalem) are wacky. The liberal press pumps it up as much as they can.

The press has no idea how much stress the Jews in Hevron live under. Their young guys say rude things on camera to foreign liberals who go there to stir up the "Palestinians" but they are mostly living in a very difficult situation.

As I'm sure you know, Hevron is an emotional place because Jews lived there for hundreds of years until there was a really horrible Arab massacre of mostly young people in 1929 that the British allowed to happen. Young guys had their eyes gouged out and their hands and feet cut off (and these were the ones who lived.) Those who died were hacked to death with axes.

If you recall the story, the British held the survivors without food for three days until evacuating them with all the other Jews. These were homes and schools their families had been living in for centuries. The area was lost until after the Six Day War.

I'm not a fan of the Kahanists, but I do think they are treated badly at times and that they have some legitimate reasons for being stressed out.

455 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:44:31pm

re: #454 Adina in Judea

Correction:

re: #408 Moe Katz

re: #404 Adina in Judea

It's sad, indeed.

I have a lot of moonbats in my family, too. Liberal Jews.

They now have three family members (including me) who are religious Jews who live in the dreaded settlements in Israel, though. I think they spend so much time doing moonbat apology dances for having "obstacles to peace" relatives that it takes the wind out of their sails when they talk to us.

Hang in there!

How far right are you, Adina? Like the Kahanists?

456 Steffan  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:11pm

re: #452 Moe Katz

One of my ambitions is to whistle the piccolo solo from Stars and Stripes Forever.

I think the trill might be a little hard to reproduce.

457 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:16pm

re: #453 astronmr20

Workplace.


Then carry some sweet potato pie to work too... hey a good piece of warm sweet potato pie with some vanilla ice cream can work wonders even with the most disgruntled moonbat, trust me, its a mood modifier.

458 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:25pm

re: #449 astronmr20

Indeed.

It took watching it a 2nd time about 10 years later for me to fully "get" it, as I've spent a lot of time during that period going back and forth to Minneapolis from Charlotte for work.

The 2nd time watching, I found myself actually clapping several times at it's brilliant genius.

The brilliance of the Coen brothers, and Francis MacDormand's and Willian Macy's acting is so damn great.

459 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:45:30pm

re: #452 Moe Katz

I've done that!
(I cheated though - I used a piccolo)

460 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:46:45pm

re: #446 astronmr20

I have had to bite my tongue a lot lately.

It's getting to be more than i can bear.

(((astronmr20))) Sorry to hear it. :(

I figure that if I can put up with them being an insufferable moonbat, they can tolerate me being a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy. If they can't, if they are incapable of having a normal conversation or interacting with me in a polite manner, then why do I need them around? I might make an exception if it were my parents or sibling. Other than that, oh well.

/yes I'm a little harsh lol

461 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:47:12pm

re: #457 shanec99

Then carry some sweet potato pie to work too... hey a good piece of warm sweet potato pie with some vanilla ice cream can work wonders even with the most disgruntled moonbat, trust me, its a mood modifier.

I really hate sweet potatoes.

And I'm through with trying to change people's minds.

462 Beller0ph1  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:47:21pm

re: #282 gmsc

We have this on DVD! This is a Christmas classic in our house. Now if I could only find the Christmas Toy...

463 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:48:15pm

re: #460 gop_patriot

(((astronmr20))) Sorry to hear it. :(

I figure that if I can put up with them being an insufferable moonbat, they can tolerate me being a member of the vast right-wing conspiracy. If they can't, if they are incapable of having a normal conversation or interacting with me in a polite manner, then why do I need them around? I might make an exception if it were my parents or sibling. Other than that, oh well.

/yes I'm a little harsh lol

Its easier to stop the flies from buzzing around if you put a few drops of honey on the counter rather than soaking it with vinegar.

464 wolfie  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:48:19pm

re: #429 Honorary Yooper

Smart of you to have the patience to let him figure it out.
If he thinks he'll get an "I told you so," he's less likely to see the light.

The big problem in my family is that my Obamabot sister and her moonbat husband can't keep their mouths shut........except when my mother is around.
Mama gets all hysterical and starts babbling in Spanish telling my sister she has stabbed her own mother in the heart and will be damned for all eternity. That it will cause poor Mama to have a stroke or heart attack. Stuff like that.
One of my brothers said, "Mama, you aren't going to convince anyone with hysterics like that." To which she replied, "Convince? What matters about the convince? I just want the shut up!"
And it works like a charm!

465 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:48:25pm

re: #453 astronmr20

Workplace.

Ugh. OK, different dynamics there.

466 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:49:49pm

re: #408 Moe Katz

When my two "settler" siblings and I go all the way home to see our liberal parents and other liberal family members together (which we do sometimes) - we've joked that we should ask, "Ok, who in this room is an obstacle to peace?"

Then the three of us would raise our hands.

We don't do this, of course. :)

467 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:51:11pm

re: #461 astronmr20

I really hate sweet potatoes.
And I'm through with trying to change people's minds.

Bring the pie. Hit them in the face with it.
Voila! Redistribution of pie!

468 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:51:31pm

re: #454 Adina in Judea

No, I'm not a fan of the Kahanists.

I think that they're treated very unfairly at times, but I'm not a fan.

As you know, roughly 75% of the "settlers" are women and children. A handful of Kahanists make it seem as if half a million "settlers" (including the Jews outside the green line in Jerusalem) are wacky. The liberal press pumps it up as much as they can.

The press has no idea how much stress the Jews in Hevron live under. Their young guys say rude things on camera to foreign liberals who go there to stir up the "Palestinians" but they are mostly living in a very difficult situation.

As I'm sure you know, Hevron is an emotional place because Jews lived there for hundreds of years until there was a really horrible Arab massacre of mostly young people in 1929 that the British allowed to happen. Young guys had their eyes gouged out and their hands and feet cut off (and these were the ones who lived.) Those who died were hacked to death with axes.

If you recall the story, the British held the survivors without food for three days until evacuating them with all the other Jews. These were homes and schools their families had been living in for centuries. The area was lost until after the Six Day War.

I'm not a fan of the Kahanists, but I do think they are treated badly at times and that they have some legitimate reasons for being stressed out.

I've actually read some stuff by Kahane and it scared the bejeebers out of me. He said he would kick all the Arabs out, not only from Yesha but from inside Israel. He said Israel shouldn't be a democracy at all but should be ruled by religious authorities. And Jews that weren't orthodox enough could be kicked out too. I also met Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel when they came to my shul back in the 90's. A scary bunch of people.

I'm center-right myself. Wish Sharon could wake up.

By the way, I'm sorry to have put you on the spot with my question. :)

469 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:51:57pm

re: #456 Steffan

I think the trill might be a little hard to reproduce.

I'm working on it. It comes from the diaphragm.

470 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:53:17pm

re: #461 astronmr20

I really hate sweet potatoes.

And I'm through with trying to change people's minds.

You don't have to try to change their minds... the key is to be reasonable, if you can talk you can be friends. It is easier to accommodate a friend than to co-opt an enemy.

And a little warm sweet potato pie at this time of the year works wonders, please don't the stuff at Walmart... its insipid... get the stuff your granny bakes every year for Thanksgiving... the odor will make anyone smile, makes even an irrational moonbat bearable.

471 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:53:55pm

re: #459 Killer Tomato

I've done that!
(I cheated though - I used a piccolo)

LOL!

472 laZardo  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:54:04pm

re: #468 Moe Katz

Whatever happened to Sharon anyway? Haven't heard anything about him ever since he fell into a coma.

473 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:54:36pm

re: #443 gop_patriot

I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.

/rant off *whew* sorry

Good on ya - the right thing to do.

Stop it cold.

And get on with good things you all can enjoy.

474 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:55:51pm

re: #459 Killer Tomato

I've done that!
(I cheated though - I used a piccolo)

Chet Atkins plays it on guitar.

475 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:56:03pm

re: #463 shanec99

Its easier to stop the flies from buzzing around if you put a few drops of honey on the counter rather than soaking it with vinegar.

malathion w*rks even better, but there may be some issues with that.

/white smoke

476 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:56:30pm

re: #472 laZardo

Whatever happened to Sharon anyway? Haven't heard anything about him ever since he fell into a coma.

He's still comatose.

477 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:56:59pm

re: #473 Bobibutu

Good on ya - the right thing to do.

Stop it cold.

And get on with good things you all can enjoy.

Just shove a turkey drumstick in his kisser... everyone will get a good laugh out of that... and then hand him some sweet potato pie, it will keep his kisser too occupied for him to chat.

478 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:57:05pm
479 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:57:20pm

re: #470 shanec99

You don't have to try to change their minds... the key is to be reasonable, if you can talk you can be friends. It is easier to accommodate a friend than to co-opt an enemy.

And a little warm sweet potato pie at this time of the year works wonders, please don't the stuff at Walmart... its insipid... get the stuff your granny bakes every year for Thanksgiving... the odor will make anyone smile, makes even an irrational moonbat bearable.

the only thing that makes a moonbat bearable is a casket.

(or a gag..... %-)

480 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:57:37pm

re: #463 shanec99

Its easier to stop the flies from buzzing around if you put a few drops of honey on the counter rather than soaking it with vinegar.

I do that at first. After that, the ball's in their court.

481 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:58:05pm

re: #478 ploome hineni

I have also met Irv Rubin, in LA

as I remember he was a sad, solitary, fringe figure

more oaf than scary

he was murdered in a horrible way

Yes :(

482 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:58:22pm

re: #475 redc1c4

malathion w*rks even better, but there may be some issues with that.

/white smoke


Yeah... but I can't very well bring malathoin to the Thanksgiving dinner can I? Well this year I will be in East Africa for Thanksgiving so ... oh well.

483 Adina in Judea  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:02pm

re: #468 Moe Katz

I've actually read some stuff by Kahane and it scared the bejeebers out of me. He said he would kick all the Arabs out, not only from Yesha but from inside Israel. He said Israel shouldn't be a democracy at all but should be ruled by religious authorities. And Jews that weren't orthodox enough could be kicked out too. I also met Irv Rubin and Earl Krugel when they came to my shul back in the 90's. A scary bunch of people.

I'm center-right myself. Wish Sharon could wake up.

By the way, I'm sorry to have put you on the spot with my question. :)

I know a guy in Israel who met Kahane and a few of his followers decades ago in Manhatten when he was just starting out. Their stance was so angry and violent appearing that it was a shock to see them like this on the Upper West Side of Manhatten.

Kahane had some good reasons to be angry and he was right about some things (about the dangers involved in the intentions of Arabs living in and near Israel) - but he and his followers do/did more harm than good, in my opinion.

They are a very small segment of the "settlers" (although they do have some fans here and there who aren't actually involved in what they do.)

Again, it's a stressful situation so some people want to yell. They get a good yell out of Kahane.

I empathize with their stress, but I'm just not a fan and I know that the vast majority of the settlers are far, far, far milder even if somewhat angry about what has been going on with terrorism, etc, all these years.

484 Bobibutu  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:23pm

re: #477 shanec99

Just shove a turkey drumstick in his kisser... everyone will get a good laugh out of that... and then hand him some sweet potato pie, it will keep his kisser too occupied for him to chat.

You got it! Wish I could be the fly on the wall. Hooooah!

485 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:33pm

Another Atkins version of Stars and Stripes

486 Killer Tomato  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:46pm

re: #474 Moe Katz

Thanks!

487 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:46pm

re: #482 shanec99

Yeah... but I can't very well bring malathoin to the Thanksgiving dinner can I? Well this year I will be in East Africa for Thanksgiving so ... oh well.

Whats happening in east africa?

Kenya?

488 shanec99  Sat, Nov 8, 2008 11:59:55pm

re: #480 gop_patriot

I do that at first. After that, the ball's in their court.


All you can do is try... and after you have done your best then leave it to God.

489 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:01:21am

I'm neither a Leafs nor Habs fan, but I made it a point to tune in to the game tonight for Don Cherry's Coach's Corner on Hockey Night in Canada (I do not get the CBC here, but the NHL network often carries the Hockey Night in Canada doubleheaders).

I did so because this was the last Coach's Corner before 11/11, and an emotional Cherry did not disappoint.

I view this with a mix of emotions- pride and sorrow for the fallen and their loved ones and Cherry's earnestness.

But there's also a little bit of anger and bewilderment as well. How difficult would it be for a U.S. network to do something similar to this for halftime? Yet NBC, which quasi-borrowed the Hockey Night in Canada monicker for Football Night in America instead treats us to weekly unhinged rants courtesey of none other than Keith Olberman. God knows the networks can accomodate a half-hour Barack 0bama infomercial, but not a sincere, non-partisan 5 minute tribute to our Armed Forces?

490 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:01:32am

re: #482 shanec99

Yeah... but I can't very well bring malathoin to the Thanksgiving dinner can I? Well this year I will be in East Africa for Thanksgiving so ... oh well.

might be handy, but i'll have to see if it w*rks on mosquitoes......

/boggles that anyone would go to Africa willingly.....

491 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:02:01am

re: #479 redc1c4

the only thing that makes a moonbat bearable is a casket.

(or a gag..... %-)

Look a moonbat is simply an enthusiatic idealist who has never had to:
1. earn a living
2. face America's enemies on the battle field
3. deal with a mugger on the wrong side of a baretta 9mm.

You have to be patient with em.

492 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:02:28am

re: #452 Moe Katz

One of my ambitions is to whistle the piccolo solo from Stars and Stripes Forever.

If you're feeling ambitous, try the Maple Leaf Forever with a bagpipe.

493 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:07am

re: #443 gop_patriot

I am looking forward to Thanksgiving this year, seeing some relatives that I haven't seen in a while... but one of our relatives is a lib atty who used to work for the Dems in our state capitol bldg. My son and I have already decided that we won't mention the election, but if he starts badmouthing Bush, McCain, Palin or Republicans we're going to pull him up short. I won't sit there and let him go on and on- just because he's a lib and they think it's their right to spout and our right to sit and listen to them. It's my Thanksgiving too.

/rant off *whew* sorry

If all else fails, just lean back, close your eyes, and think of all the "I told you so's" you'll be able to dish out come Thanksgiving 2009. (Closing your eyes is important: they'll think you're experiencing tryptophan fatigue.)

494 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:21am

re: #486 Killer Tomato

Thanks!

Amazing how he manages the piccolo solo, eh?

495 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:31am

re: #488 shanec99

All you can do is try... and after you have done your best then leave it to God.

no: after you've played diplomat, go to town!

there's no sense being nice to people who aren't interested in being nice.

496 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:03:54am

re: #490 redc1c4

might be handy, but i'll have to see if it w*rks on mosquitoes......

/boggles that anyone would go to Africa willingly.....

Ever heard of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Do you know that there are a lot of us over her serving in Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA). Who do you think is combatting the piracy of the coast of Somalia?

497 Killer Tomato  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:04:39am

re: #494 Moe Katz

I'd never heard that. Impressive!

498 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:05:22am

re: #491 shanec99

Look a moonbat is simply an enthusiatic idealist who has never had to:
1. earn a living
2. face America's enemies on the battle field
3. deal with a mugger on the wrong side of a baretta 9mm.

You have to be patient with em.

sorry, but that's not in my j*b description........

"a conservative is a liberal who's been victim #1 on a police report."

499 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:05:27am

re: #468 Moe Katz

If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.

There have been many instances of young teenage Jewish girls being gang raped at 13 or 14 years old as "revenge" for the so-called occupation. I think the Israeli police are keeping tabs on things a lot more now than they used to do because of this.

Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.

They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."

These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)

It's not a good situation.

500 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:06:04am

re: #495 redc1c4

no: after you've played diplomat, go to town!

there's no sense being nice to people who aren't interested in being nice.

Not with the people I love. If my step sister and I have a disagreement over politics... it is just that, a disagreement. We can disagree without being disagreeable. So I pass the sweet potato pie.

501 Bobibutu  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:06:21am

re: #496 shanec99

Ever heard of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Do you know that there are a lot of us over her serving in Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA). Who do you think is combatting the piracy of the coast of Somalia?

YES! Keep on gittin' it on - mountains of respect to you.

502 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:06:46am

re: #492 Fenway_Nation

If you're feeling ambitous, try the Maple Leaf Forever with a bagpipe.

LOL! It's possible?

503 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:07:56am

re: #501 Bobibutu

Hear, hear!

504 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:08:36am

re: #496 shanec99

Ever heard of Operation Enduring Freedom?
Do you know that there are a lot of us over her serving in Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA). Who do you think is combatting the piracy of the coast of Somalia?

no offense GI: i meant people traveling over there as tourists, just because they were bored.......

(and i did specify "willingly".... or was the HOA on your dream sheet? %-)

/white smoke!

505 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:09:13am

OT: (if we can consider it on an open thread). Realities of Internet filtering/censorship in a graphic.

506 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:09:38am

re: #499 Adina in Judea

If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.


It's not a good situation.

I know. And these Arabs in the Galilee won't let their areas be ceded to the Pals as part of a land swap. Much as they hate the Jews, they want to remain part of Israel and enjoy the social benefits, democracy and human rights.

/hypocrites

507 astronmr20  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:10:23am

re: #499 Adina in Judea

If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.

There have been many instances of young teenage Jewish girls being gang raped at 13 or 14 years old as "revenge" for the so-called occupation. I think the Israeli police are keeping tabs on things a lot more now than they used to do because of this.

Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.

They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."

These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)

It's not a good situation.

...and they're breeding like rabbits.

508 Bobibutu  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:11:32am

re: #501 Bobibutu

YES! Keep on gittin' it on - mountains of respect to you.

I just wish the ROE were to your advantage.

Kick ass - take names and iris scans and git on with it.

Thank you again.

509 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:11:47am

re: #493 stuiec

If all else fails, just lean back, close your eyes, and think of all the "I told you so's" you'll be able to dish out come Thanksgiving 2009. (Closing your eyes is important: they'll think you're experiencing tryptophan fatigue.)

LOL!

It's crazy, there are literally only 2 moonbats in this particular bunch, a father and college age son- and about 20 of us that are conservative Republicans. Yet they march in and begin (without any provocation other than, say, an ad or bit of news on TV) to opine on how ignorant and illiterate Geo. Bush is, or how ignorant and uneducated Republicans are, etc. They really, really believe that we are beneath them. Yet every single adult there besides them are more successful in job and personal life than these two. ::rolls eyes::

510 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:12:49am

re: #504 redc1c4

no offense GI: i meant people traveling over there as tourists, just because they were bored.......

(and i did specify "willingly".... or was the HOA on your dream sheet? %-)

/white smoke!

I volunteered to do this, so I am doing this willingly, I am a Sailor, a HMC. Have done the sand box as an IA (Iraq in 06) and I took this billet as a GSA.
The work we are doing in Africa is important... in some places we are building schools and helping small democracies to grow and become prosperous, in other places there is the ongoing action against piracy off Somalia's coast.

511 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:11am

re: #509 gop_patriot

"Well, it's not really good having a successful job if you're just going to be a selfish Scrooge at it!"

/

512 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:19am

re: #505 BlueCanuck

OT: (if we can consider it on an open thread). Realities of Internet filtering/censorship in a graphic.

humorous, until you consider the Chinese experience..... if they can subvert the major carriers with financial considerations to their market, how do you think the US government will do in negotiations?

513 Bobibutu  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:20am

Nite all .. rest well.

514 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:34am

re: #507 astronmr20

...and they're breeding like rabbits.

Don't the Haredim have an even higher birthrate? :)

515 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:13:40am

re: #506 Moe Katz

re: #499 Adina in Judea

If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.


It's not a good situation.


I know. And these Arabs in the Galilee won't let their areas be ceded to the Pals as part of a land swap. Much as they hate the Jews, they want to remain part of Israel and enjoy the social benefits, democracy and human rights.

/hypocrites

Well, they're thinking that they will get dibs on Israel as a whole when the "Palestinians" finally win over Israel (G-d forbid.)

I read where one Israeli Arab leader spoke about the Arabs in Judea and Samaria and their goals. He said something like, "Well, they'll have their Palestine and we'll have ours."

Their hearts and minds are filled to bursting with images of the theft of 150 years' worth of Jewish investment, immovable property, and wealth.

516 astronmr20  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:14:16am

re: #514 Moe Katz

Don't the Haredim have an even higher birthrate? :)

Hopefully!

517 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:14:21am

re: #512 redc1c4

humorous, until you consider the Chinese experience..... if they can subvert the major carriers with financial considerations to their market, how do you think the US government will do in negotiations?

Especially with Google. What's their motto? "Don't stop being evil"?

518 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:14:22am

re: #513 Bobibutu

Nite all .. rest well.


Nite Bobi... is midmorning here though.

519 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:15:52am

re: #507 astronmr20

re: #499 Adina in Judea

If you've kept up with what the Israeli Arabs are doing in the north - it is more than a little worrisome, by the way.

There have been many instances of young teenage Jewish girls being gang raped at 13 or 14 years old as "revenge" for the so-called occupation. I think the Israeli police are keeping tabs on things a lot more now than they used to do because of this.

Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.

They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."

These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)

It's not a good situation.

...and they're breeding like rabbits.

Religious Jews are having babies faster, though (more than the Arabs.)

Religious Jews will eventually be the majority of Jews in Israel.

Already, roughly half of the school children in Israel are religious Jewish kids.

520 astronmr20  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:16:31am

re: #519 Adina in Judea

Religious Jews are having babies faster, though (more than the Arabs.)

Religious Jews will eventually be the majority of Jews in Israel.

Already, roughly half of the school children in Israel are religious Jewish kids.

Ah.

This is good news, then (:

521 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:17:56am

re: #509 gop_patriot

That's the way it is in my family. The moonbats insist on saying things like that. There has to be some psychological payoff for them in doing it, but I dunno.

522 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:17:59am

re: #514 Moe Katz

re: #507 astronmr20

...and they're breeding like rabbits.

Don't the Haredim have an even higher birthrate? :)

You betcha!

Not just the Haredim!

Modern Orthodox Jews have a higher birthrate, too.

When I go to dinner at family homes for Shabbat in Israel, the most common situation I've experienced has been to sit at a table with 8 to 10 Modern Orthodox Jewish children in the family.

523 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:06am

re: #500 shanec99

Not with the people I love. If my step sister and I have a disagreement over politics... it is just that, a disagreement. We can disagree without being disagreeable. So I pass the sweet potato pie.

Well you're blessed, that you and your step sis can disagree without being disagreeable. Personally, in my original post, I was referring to those people who won't allow you to disagree without them being very disagreeable. :)

Btw, thanks for your service.

524 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:19am

re: #519 Adina in Judea

"Hasidim but ah don't believe 'em!"

/the wisdom of Silvio Dante

525 Killer Tomato  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:40am

off to bed -
good night/morning/afternoon all!

526 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:43am

re: #513 Bobibutu

Nite all .. rest well.

Goodnight, Bobibutu. :)

527 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:18:44am

re: #520 astronmr20

Ah.

This is good news, then (:

With a rapidly expanding population and limted land and water supply... how will they house and feed the population. My lord every day the Israeli situation gets more precarious. I pray for Israel and hope that God will continue to preserve her.

528 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:20:37am

re: #523 gop_patriot

Well you're blessed, that you and your step sis can disagree without being disagreeable. Personally, in my original post, I was referring to those people who won't allow you to disagree without them being very disagreeable. :)

Btw, thanks for your service.


Service to the nation has given me more blessing than I deserve. I am thankful, but I appreciate your expression of kindness.

529 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:21:14am

re: #510 shanec99

I volunteered to do this, so I am doing this willingly, I am a Sailor, a HMC. Have done the sand box as an IA (Iraq in 06) and I took this billet as a GSA.
The work we are doing in Africa is important... in some places we are building schools and helping small democracies to grow and become prosperous, in other places there is the ongoing action against piracy off Somalia's coast.

then Bravo Zulu on you! some folks spend 20 years in uniform, wondering WTF they're there for, or if what they do matters (not naming names) but obviously you lucked out and what you do has benefits right up front.

the Horn is the war that no one wants to talk about as part of the wars that no one wants to talk about, but anyone who reads the SWJ knows better.

(or anyone who can read a map. %-)

just don't tell anyone about how you're getting shit done or they'll kill it.....

red

530 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:21:47am

Night Killer Tomato. Have a good rest.

531 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:21:54am

re: #499 Adina in Judea

Also, their leaders are demanding a veto over anything Israel does (such as decisions to fight in self-defense) as well as demanding changes in things like the national anthem, the flag, and the name of the country.

They also call themselves "Palestinians" now, not "Israeli Arabs."

These Arabs are roughly 50% of Northern Israel now (roughly 20% all over.)

It's not a good situation.

It's 3AM And The Prime Minister Of Israel Is Calling

/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help

532 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:22:29am

re: #521 wolfie

I know. I am afraid that this Thanksgiving, if they start, I might just shriek, "aaaauuuggghhhh!" and walk into another room. I know my kids would think that was hilarious. LOL

533 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:24:59am

re: #531 Killian Bundy

It's 3AM And The Prime Minister Of Israel Is Calling

/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help

I think Israel realizes the situation quite well, as they demonstrated right after word came out that 0bama had been elected: [Link: apnews.myway.com...]

534 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:25:07am

re: #527 shanec99

re: #520 astronmr20

Ah.

This is good news, then (:


With a rapidly expanding population and limted land and water supply... how will they house and feed the population. My lord every day the Israeli situation gets more precarious. I pray for Israel and hope that God will continue to preserve her.

The population isn't expanding all that rapidly right now because religious Jews are a minority among Jews in Israel. The extremely high birthrate among religious Jews in Israel is going to help religious Jews become the majority of Jews someday, but it's offset overall by the slow birthrate among secular Jews. The number of Jews increases, but not rapidly.

Keep in mind that Israel's Jewish population DOUBLED almost overnight shortly after 1948 when 650,000 Jews took in over 600,000 Middle Eastern Jews from places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc., within a short time after becoming a state.

Israel managed!

Later, Israel took in over a million Jews from the former Soviet Union.

Israel managed again!

Israel can always handle having more Jews (and Israel strongly encourages as many Jews as possible to make aliyah - immigrate there - from the Diaspora as possible.)

535 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:25:26am

re: #522 Adina in Judea

You betcha!

Not just the Haredim!

Modern Orthodox Jews have a higher birthrate, too.

When I go to dinner at family homes for Shabbat in Israel, the most common situation I've experienced has been to sit at a table with 8 to 10 Modern Orthodox Jewish children in the family.

I understand, too, that the Israeli Arab sector is remaining stable as a fraction of the whole population. That is very encouraging. I know Israeli Arabs that don't hate the Jews too, of course. It's many of them that want revenge, but not all by any means....

536 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:26:20am

re: #531 Killian Bundy

It's 3AM And The Prime Minister Of Israel Is Calling

/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help

For that there are nukes. I see terrorism as a greater threat.

537 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:26:57am

re: #531 Killian Bundy

/to put it bluntly, come January 20th, the ringer is turned off and Israel had better be prepared to defend herself against an all out, balls to the wall River to the Sea attack with no outside help

Israel knows.

There's elections coming up in Israel in February that will help put stronger leaders in place, G-d willing.

538 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:26:59am

re: #536 Moe Katz

For that there are nukes. I see terrorism attacks by "guys who happen to live in my neighborhood" as a greater threat.

Fixed that for you.

539 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:27:05am

re: #532 gop_patriot

It might work though!

This election has been particularly nasty..........and emotional.

540 spidly  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:27:41am

we should allow the fed to make nation wide decisions on health, education, crime, social policy, etc.. when DC is the healthiest safest best educated harmonious workers paradise in the US. not until then.

541 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:28:54am

re: #502 Moe Katz

LOL! It's possible?

Yes....and to great effect (at about 4:25 in).

542 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:30:22am

re: #540 spidly

Which reminds me.
Aren't the Dems planning to make DC a state so they can have two senators? I thought that was on their wish list but haven't heard much about it in a while.

543 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:30:26am

re: #529 redc1c4

then Bravo Zulu on you! some folks spend 20 years in uniform, wondering WTF they're there for, or if what they do matters (not naming names) but obviously you lucked out and what you do has benefits right up front.

the Horn is the war that no one wants to talk about as part of the wars that no one wants to talk about, but anyone who reads the SWJ knows better.
Its hard work, but its worthwhile. Here we are working to help Africans find solutions to African problems, we are helping them to build their democracies by finding sustainable and practical solutions as partners.
We dig wells and they get water to irrigate crops and feed themselves.
We build schools and thier children especially the girls can become educated and perhaps the ignorance that has hampered that continent can be driven into the obscurity of the past.
We support democracies in the hope that the institutions that create stable societies can flourish and that extremism will be forced into obscurity.
We partner with the local militaries and hope to make them stronger and national partner for stability rather than an instrument of disorder and anarchy.
We Americans are building where we can, teaching when the opportunities present itself and fighting the extremists with any tools we have at hand.
The work we are doing may mean my daughter wont have to come to this part of the world to dodge bullets and leave her blood on the sand and in the jungle.

(or anyone who can read a map. %-)

just don't tell anyone about how you're getting shit done or they'll kill it.....

red

544 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:32:46am

re: #534 Adina in Judea

The population isn't expanding all that rapidly right now because religious Jews are a minority among Jews in Israel. The extremely high birthrate among religious Jews in Israel is going to help religious Jews become the majority of Jews someday, but it's offset overall by the slow birthrate among secular Jews. The number of Jews increases, but not rapidly.

Keep in mind that Israel's Jewish population DOUBLED almost overnight shortly after 1948 when 650,000 Jews took in over 600,000 Middle Eastern Jews from places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc., within a short time after becoming a state.

Israel managed!

Later, Israel took in over a million Jews from the former Soviet Union.

Israel managed again!

Israel can always handle having more Jews (and Israel strongly encourages as many Jews as possible to make aliyah - immigrate there - from the Diaspora as possible.)


Are you suggesting that the ability to absorb an increasing population is limitless?
I hope you are right, but if you are wrong, may God continue to be Israel's protector.

545 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:34:03am

re: #529 redc1c4

re: #543 shanec99

I thought America wanted nothing to do with that failed state since Black Hawk Down.

/seriously, I did.

546 Sprite  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:36:00am

re: #445 shanec99

My Dear,

I brought many guys into my home after Desert Storm....and cooked Thanksgiving dinner for them. Then they came back for more {more meals and...}.....

It was sublime.

547 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:38:06am

re: #535 Moe Katz

I understand, too, that the Israeli Arab sector is remaining stable as a fraction of the whole population. That is very encouraging. I know Israeli Arabs that don't hate the Jews too, of course. It's many of them that want revenge, but not all by any means....

The Jews in Israel have to be cautious, though.

There have been too many instances of Arabs in Israel being hired by Jews or friendly to Jews in some way and then something snaps in their heads. Jews are killed.

It isn't all the Arabs or anything like that, but these instances (too many to name here) give many Jews in Israel some pause.

One of the most heartbreaking was the stabbing of young Jewish guys (mostly teenagers) in a religious school library by an Arab guy who had a job with the school as a driver. He was an employee of the school and he murdered (shot to death) a bunch of the kids he had been working to drive.

In another case, a woman with a famous male photographer partner had an Arab gardener who wasn't allowed to work in Jerusalem anymore (for some reason) so he kept going to her apartment to get money as handouts. I think she let him work on her garden at times, too. One day he went there and asked for Israeli money equivalent to $5000 and she said no. He stabbed her to death with one of her kitchen knives.

Another guy had a Jewish live-in girlfriend who he murdered quite brutally in Jerusalem to impress Hamas so that he could get a job with them.

These are anecdotes and they don't mean anything about any individual, but they are reasons to give Jews in Israel pause (considering everything else that has gone on.) Israel has been at war with Arabs for 120 years (going back to times before Israel became a nation.)

The fairly recent bulldozer attacks were done by Arabs who had jobs working for Jews in Jerusalem. They had Israeli identity cards. Same with the Arab guy who did the car attack against pedestrians more recently.

The war has an impact on what goes on inside the country.

There's no way to avoid taking this into consideration.

548 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:39:22am

re: #541 Fenway_Nation

Yes....and to great effect (at about 4:25 in).

Huh? I heard the old Canadian anthem, "Maple Leaf Forever," not Joplin's "Maple Leaf Rag."

549 spidly  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:39:34am

wow

The public prosecutor recommends charges against companies involved in UN ‘Oil for Food’ scandal

The Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) has recommended that the Justice Ministry pursue charges against Danish companies implicated in the UN ‘Oil for Food’ scandal.

The decision is seen as ground breaking as the statute of limitations has expired on criminal investigations into Oil for Food violations. The DPP, however, can seek conviction for economic fraud, allowing it to confiscate any illegal profits made by the companies. Jyllands Posten newspaper has learned that the Public Prosecutor for Serious Economic Crimes has focused on 17 of the 22 firms implicated.

...Two other Danish companies - insulin producer Novo Nordisk and farm machinery producer AGCO Denmark - are among a number currently being sued by the state of Iraq, which is demanding $10 billion in compensation from the companies that were involved. (kr)

550 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:40:26am

re: #544 shanec99

Are you suggesting that the ability to absorb an increasing population is limitless?
I hope you are right, but if you are wrong, may God continue to be Israel's protector.

The Jewish population in the world isn't limitless. :)

There are only 13 million of us with almost 6 million already living in Israel.

The Jewish population in Israel isn't rising all that quickly. Only the religious Jewish portion of the Jewish population is rising quickly (and the religious Jewish portion of the Jewish population is still in the minority - for now.)

551 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:41:08am

re: #545 laZardo

re: #543 shanec99

I thought America wanted nothing to do with that failed state since Black Hawk Down.

/seriously, I did.

The piracy is making it America and the world's problem. We American's cannot ignore this part of the world. The population is too young, the Islamic fundamentalists will step into any region they can to expand their influence and the world is better off if we have peace.

We Americans are trying to bring peace, stability and prosperity to a part of the world that has seen too much suffering.

No one talks about President Bush's AIDS initiative in Africa.
No one talks about President Bush's Presidential Malaria Initiative where the US government is spending $1.2 billion to reduce malaria deaths by 50% in 3 years (an African child dies every 10 - 15 seconds from malaria).
The work we Americans are doing in Africa is important, and the nations we are helping appreciates it.
And the work we are doing to combat piracy is to the world's benefit.

552 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:42:27am

re: #551 shanec99

I can get the piracy bit, but that would really only be an offshoot of what's going on in Iraq, since a lot of shipping lanes would come dangerously close to the area.

553 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:42:38am

re: #546 Sprite

My Dear,

I brought many guys into my home after Desert Storm....and cooked Thanksgiving dinner for them. Then they came back for more {more meals and...}.....

It was sublime.

Thank you. That was generous. Next time you see a vet let him know you appreciate it. It goes a long way everytime someone tells me thanks.

554 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:43:56am

Day by Day: Ghost In The Machine

555 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:44:37am

re: #547 Adina in Judea

The Jews in Israel have to be cautious, though.

There have been too many instances of Arabs in Israel being hired by Jews or friendly to Jews in some way and then something snaps in their heads. Jews are killed.

It isn't all the Arabs or anything like that, but these instances (too many to name here) give many Jews in Israel some pause.

One of the most heartbreaking was the stabbing of young Jewish guys (mostly teenagers) in a religious school library by an Arab guy who had a job with the school as a driver. He was an employee of the school and he murdered (shot to death) a bunch of the kids he had been working to drive.

In another case, a woman with a famous male photographer partner had an Arab gardener who wasn't allowed to work in Jerusalem anymore (for some reason) so he kept going to her apartment to get money as handouts. I think she let him work on her garden at times, too. One day he went there and asked for Israeli money equivalent to $5000 and she said no. He stabbed her to death with one of her kitchen knives.

Another guy had a Jewish live-in girlfriend who he murdered quite brutally in Jerusalem to impress Hamas so that he could get a job with them.

These are anecdotes and they don't mean anything about any individual, but they are reasons to give Jews in Israel pause (considering everything else that has gone on.) Israel has been at war with Arabs for 120 years (going back to times before Israel became a nation.)

The fairly recent bulldozer attacks were done by Arabs who had jobs working for Jews in Jerusalem. They had Israeli identity cards. Same with the Arab guy who did the car attack against pedestrians more recently.

The war has an impact on what goes on inside the country.

There's no way to avoid taking this into consideration.

You're right, Adina. I wish I had some answers. Any Arab can go jihad at any time, it seems. I'm afraid the election of Obama will give them more hope that the Nakba can be reversed. And I happen to agree with Jabotinsky that peace can only come when that spark of hope is extinguished. Horrible as it sounds....

556 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:45:17am

Good night, all!

557 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:45:32am

re: #556 gmsc

Night.

558 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:45:36am

re: #552 laZardo

I can get the piracy bit, but that would really only be an offshoot of what's going on in Iraq, since a lot of shipping lanes would come dangerously close to the area.

Do you remember that too of our East African Embassies were bombed... Tanzania and Kenya. Do you know that our embassy was attacked in Yemen (22 miles from Africa, across the Red Sea).
The implications of bringing peace and prosperity to this part of the world has global implications that we Americans cannot ignore.

559 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:45:46am

re: #556 gmsc

Good night, all!

Goodnight GMSC! Weet dreams

560 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:46:20am

re: #552 laZardo

I can get the piracy bit, but that would really only be an offshoot of what's going on in Iraq, since a lot of shipping lanes would come dangerously close to the area.

Actually it has nothing to do with Iraq and more to do with the fact that Somalia occupies a strategic location at the entrance to the Red Sea (and Suez Canal further up).

562 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:46:42am

re: #559 Moe Katz

Goodnight GMSC! Weet dreams

You want him to have wet dreams?

563 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:47:36am

re: #560 Fenway_Nation

Actually it has nothing to do with Iraq and more to do with the fact that Somalia occupies a strategic location at the entrance to the Red Sea (and Suez Canal further up).


That is a big part of it, but not the whole answer.

564 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:48:18am

re: #532 gop_patriot

I know. I am afraid that this Thanksgiving, if they start, I might just shriek, "aaaauuuggghhhh!" and walk into another room. I know my kids would think that was hilarious. LOL

i plan on walking in, singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out.......

%-)

565 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:49:14am

re: #562 shanec99

You want him to have wet dreams?

I don't actually want to know about it if he does.

566 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:49:33am

re: #558 shanec99

I remember those including the USS Cole, but responses were relatively minimal. The only way I could see attention to those seas really increasing significantly is if the Somali pirates get really cocky and hijack a cruise liner or Navy ship, or Iran decides to muscle in, the latter more likely.

567 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:49:55am

re: #551 shanec99

The piracy is making it America and the world's problem. We American's cannot ignore this part of the world. The population is too young, the Islamic fundamentalists will step into any region they can to expand their influence and the world is better off if we have peace.

We Americans are trying to bring peace, stability and prosperity to a part of the world that has seen too much suffering.

No one talks about President Bush's AIDS initiative in Africa.
No one talks about President Bush's Presidential Malaria Initiative where the US government is spending $1.2 billion to reduce malaria deaths by 50% in 3 years (an African child dies every 10 - 15 seconds from malaria).
The work we Americans are doing in Africa is important, and the nations we are helping appreciates it.
And the work we are doing to combat piracy is to the world's benefit.

and yet, for some strange reason, the MSM sees no reason to cover this......

i wonder why?

/white smoke

568 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:50:18am

re: #553 shanec99

Thank you. That was generous. Next time you see a vet let him know you appreciate it. It goes a long way everytime someone tells me thanks.

I do that when I see military folks in uniform in the U.S.!

When I was on a business trip to Colorado Springs several years ago, I saw some guys in t-shirts and jeans who had military haircuts and I asked one of them, "Fort Carson?!?"

He said, "Yes, ma'am!"

I told them, "Thank you! You are our heroes!"

We all smiled at each other ear to ear.

Thanks to you, too!

P.S. In Israel, I always smile at the IDF but I don't thank them unless they're standing down (with their guns at rest and outside of a group of soldiers.) They're in the war zone when I see them, usually, so I don't want to distract them by saying anything unless they're clearly not working at the time.

569 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:50:33am

Night gmsc, weet dreams to you.

570 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:51:37am

BTW, I wonder if littleoldlady or meannastyteen know about this?

571 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:51:54am

re: #568 Adina in Judea

re: #553 shanec99

I remember shaking hands and thanking a wheelchair-bound vet at Atlanta-Hartsfield during a stopover. Recent events make me wonder if I should regret it.

572 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:52:39am

re: #566 laZardo

I remember those including the USS Cole, but responses were relatively minimal. The only way I could see attention to those seas really increasing significantly is if the Somali pirates get really cocky and hijack a cruise liner or Navy ship, or Iran decides to muscle in, the latter more likely.

Influence my friend influence and promoting stability, doing our best to encourage prosperity and build partnerships with nations in the regions. If we have partners then our enemies may have a harder time exerting influence. Mostly though the aid we are giving these nations is just the right thing to do.

573 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:52:49am

re: #571 laZardo

Why should you regret it?

574 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:54:42am

re: #551 shanec99

Which is why I post the following-

General David Howell Petraeus (R-America) for President in 2012..

General David Howell Petraeus, USA (born November 7, 1952) is the 10th and current Commander, U.S. Central Command. He previously served as Commanding General, Multi-National Force - Iraq from January 26, 2007 to September 15, 2008. As Commander of MNF-I, Petraeus oversaw all coalition forces in Iraq. Petraeus assumed his current assignment on October 31, 2008.

Petraeus was the General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College—class of 1983. He subsequently earned a M.P.A. degree (1985) and a Ph.D. degree (1987) in International Relations from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. He later served as Assistant Professor of International Relations at the U.S. Military Academy and also completed a fellowship at Georgetown University. He has a BS from the U.S. Military Academy—class of 1974—from which he graduated as a distinguished cadet (top 5% of his class).

A poll recently conducted by Foreign Policy and Prospect magazines selected Petraeus as one of the world's top 100 public intellectuals. And in April of this year, the Static Line Association named Petraeus as its 2008 Man of the Year. In 2007, Time named Petraeus one of the 100 most influential leaders and revolutionaries of the year as well as one of its four runners up for Time Person of the Year. He was also named the second most influential American conservative by The Daily Telegraph as well as The Daily Telegraph's 2007 Man of the Year and "America's most respected soldier" by Der Spiegel in 2008.In 2005, Petraeus was selected as one of America's top leaders by US News and World Report. Some news reports have speculated that Petraeus may have interest in running for the presidency. Despite these accounts, Petraeus has categorically stated that he has no political ambitions.

575 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:54:54am

re: #573 BlueCanuck

Mainly because I can guess that the image of the Iraq vet toward my generation will become very similar to that of the Vietnam vet...not necessarily a "bad guy" but part of the "bad" things they did. The popular image of the latter is that of a PTSD-addled soul/druggie with a penchant for snapping into violence.

576 Sprite  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:55:52am

re: #553 shanec99

shanec99,

It was my pleasure.....and certainly my honor.....to bring those guys into my home and feed them!

I found them via a San Diego radio station in support of Desert Storm. I was sooooooo proud of them. And to have them in my home on Thanksgiving? Utterly perfect.

577 stonemason  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:57:01am

re: #564 redc1c4


They'll just think you're crazy and they won't take you!

578 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:57:33am

re: #534 Adina in Judea

The population isn't expanding all that rapidly right now because religious Jews are a minority among Jews in Israel. The extremely high birthrate among religious Jews in Israel is going to help religious Jews become the majority of Jews someday, but it's offset overall by the slow birthrate among secular Jews. The number of Jews increases, but not rapidly.

Keep in mind that Israel's Jewish population DOUBLED almost overnight shortly after 1948 when 650,000 Jews took in over 600,000 Middle Eastern Jews from places like Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc., within a short time after becoming a state.

Israel managed!

Later, Israel took in over a million Jews from the former Soviet Union.

Israel managed again!

Israel can always handle having more Jews (and Israel strongly encourages as many Jews as possible to make aliyah - immigrate there - from the Diaspora as possible.)

will they take non jews, with firearms?

y'all may be the last Texas

579 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:06am

re: #561 spidly

in other news:
English singer Rick Astley talks exclusively with The Copenhagen Post about MTV awards, Simon Cowell, hotdogs - and a hidden talent for speaking Danish

nite

Haha, way to tie everything together. :) Too bad Astley doesn't give us his plan for defeating islamofascism.

I've spent the past hour watching someone tie my favorite new series to one of my favorite songs: Life On Mars Meets Journey

580 stonemason  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:12am

okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?

581 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:28am

re: #575 laZardo

That will only become the norm if you allow it. I remember those stereotypes myself, and from time to time was a victim of them. Trouble was back then there were probably fewer people serving then ther are now. We shall see.

582 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:46am

re: #564 redc1c4

i plan on walking in, singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out.......

%-)

Heh. :)

Hey, do you like the band Fugazi? I subscribe to a guy on YouTube that finds all sorts of old or live performances of punk bands and he just put some new ones up.

583 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:58:51am

re: #575 laZardo

Mainly because I can guess that the image of the Iraq vet toward my generation will become very similar to that of the Vietnam vet...not necessarily a "bad guy" but part of the "bad" things they did. The popular image of the latter is that of a PTSD-addled soul/druggie with a penchant for snapping into violence.



You know my observation is this. The people who hate us the most are the people who benefit most from our sacrifices. It may have something to do with the fact that the things we are doing are things that they are too cowardly to attempt. Cowardice demonstrates itself in strange ways.

584 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:59:05am

re: #579 foxtrotter

Troll Islamist sites by giving Rickroll links passed off as "important jihadi videos" or messages from OBL. [=

585 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 12:59:39am

re: #580 stonemason

okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?

I think it was an accident the first time, by commenter BeachKatie. By the way, has anyone seen her lately? I haven't noticed her around...

586 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:00:30am

re: #575 laZardo

Mainly because I can guess that the image of the Iraq vet toward my generation will become very similar to that of the Vietnam vet...not necessarily a "bad guy" but part of the "bad" things they did. The popular image of the latter is that of a PTSD-addled soul/druggie with a penchant for snapping into violence.

Haar mate, I beg to differ! Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan will be remembered as the finest in the world! None better! They won the war in Iraq and will do the the same in Afghanistan, barring any socialist intervention by Barak and associates!

587 stonemason  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:00:43am

re: #585 gop_patriot

I think it was an accident the first time, by commenter BeachKatie. By the way, has anyone seen her lately? I haven't noticed her around...

Thanks, I thought that might be it, but wasn't sure.

588 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:20am

re: #580 stonemason

okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?

A mistake. Someone typing "sweet" forgot the "s" so it's now weet. Like someone typing "satan" forgot the t, so it's now "stan".

589 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:40am

re: #583 shanec99

Believe me, I am grateful for you and your compatriots' sacrifices to help promote real peace and security. I'm just concerned (fearfully, to pick a word), that their efforts will be tossed into the dustbin of history and/or the memory hole in the near future, especially as my generation grows up.

590 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:40am

re: #580 stonemason

Sure, way back when. Some one by the name of beachkatie was saying good night and instead of saying "sweet dreams" said "weet dreams". Everyone made fun of it and started using it. And here's the thread with the first use of the term. :)

591 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:44am

re: #574 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Seems like he may one day answer another call that requires him to continue to serve our nation.

He might make us smile.

592 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:01:51am

re: #588 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

A mistake. Someone typing "sweet" forgot the "s" so it's now weet. Like someone typing "satan" forgot the t, so it's now "stan".

Didn't know that! Thanks for the explanation.

593 Mel Lono  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:02:04am

re: #587 stonemason

Thanks, I thought that might be it, but wasn't sure.

sweet or wet , no diff.

594 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:02:43am

re: #588 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

A mistake. Someone typing "sweet" forgot the "s" so it's now weet. Like someone typing "satan" forgot the t, so it's now "stan".

It's all in good fun!

595 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:00am

re: #577 stonemason

They'll just think you're crazy and they won't take you!

moi?

/white smoke

596 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:07am

I get a chuckle out of the "panspermia" theory that comes up in the ID threads. To me panspermia is when you need to change the sheets.

597 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:25am

re: #586 LoFlyer

Maybe by you and your generation. But by the generation that succeeds you, I'm not sure if they will be remembered as fondly.

598 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:44am

Take care guys... I am gonna enjoy at bit of the East African sunshine. Keep your chins up.

599 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:03:54am

re: #578 redc1c4

will they take non jews, with firearms?

y'all may be the last Texas.

Sounds like this would be a big help! :)

Immigration is rescue mission for Jews, though.

Many Jews in Israel do have guns, of course.

When a terrorist starts hitting people with a bulldozer or a car, it isn't long before someone nearby puts bullets into the terrorist's head.

Seeing guns in public in Israel is a common thing (especially in some places.)

600 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:00am

re: #596 Moe Katz

Reminds me of this one British comedian's joke:

"If 'every sperm is sacred,' then my bedsheets should be considered holy artifacts."

/ 8)

601 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:02am

re: #580 stonemason

okay, I have to ask. I have lurked many a dead thread, posted on some, and I still have no idea why the 's' is dropped from Sweet Dreams...can that be explained?

t as a ypo.....

602 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:08am

re: #598 shanec99

Cheers.

603 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:04:38am

re: #600 laZardo

Reminds me of this one British comedian's joke:

"If 'every sperm is sacred,' then my bedsheets should be considered holy artifacts."

/ 8)

LOL

604 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:05:02am

re: #591 shanec99

Seems like he may one day answer another call that requires him to continue to serve our nation.

He might make us smile.

I sure hope so. He'd be great...

605 stonemason  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:05:39am

I must have missed that first thread. Oh well, can't lurk 'em all.

606 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:06:14am

Gonna head out for a bit. Windowshopping to check off for Xmas presents for family. Cheers!

607 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:06:53am

re: #585 gop_patriot

Beachkatie got the boot back in July. I think she said something a bit too much on one of the ID threads. Real shame that people can't keep their heads on straight with that stuff.

608 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:08:16am

re: #597 laZardo

Maybe by you and your generation. But by the generation that succeeds you, I'm not sure if they will be remembered as fondly.

You are wrong mate! The Iraqi's will remember our troops for generations! The finest in the world, taking casualties to avoid collateral damage to civilians goes a long ways in anyones in book. Western journalists may shun out troops, but the Iraqi's don't!

609 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:10:17am

Well, I'm almost unconscious. Goodnight/Layla tov/weet dreams to all.

610 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:11:16am

re: #607 BlueCanuck

Oh wow, didn't know that. Thanks.

611 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:11:29am

I'm outta here, folks. The Bears will kick the crap out of the (previously) undefeated Titans starting at noon CDT, and it's on CBS in Missouri. Have a great night!

612 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:12:24am

re: #611 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm outta here, folks. The Bears will kick the crap out of the (previously) undefeated Titans starting at noon CDT, and it's on CBS in Missouri. Have a great night!

PIMF- Shit, Noon CST...

613 redc1c4  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:12:53am

re: #599 Adina in Judea

Sounds like this would be a big help! :)

Immigration is rescue mission for Jews, though.

Many Jews in Israel do have guns, of course.

When a terrorist starts hitting people with a bulldozer or a car, it isn't long before someone nearby puts bullets into the terrorist's head.

Seeing guns in public in Israel is a common thing (especially in some places.)

well, as someone once put it: we're all Jews, it's just that some of our parents figure that we had enough problems with out dealing with that.

614 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:13:00am

re: #609 Moe Katz
Night Moe, take care.

re: #610 gop_patriot

No problem. I have gotten pretty good with the LGF comment search function lately. ;)

615 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:16:11am

re: #608 LoFlyer

You are wrong mate! The Iraqi's will remember our troops for generations! The finest in the world, taking casualties to avoid collateral damage to civilians goes a long ways in anyones in book. Western journalists may shun out troops, but the Iraqi's don't!

I hope you're right. I do what I can to support our cause but I wonder how much the younger generations will remember what happened in Iraq. I trust that you're right that Iraqi's will know the good guys from the bad, but I worry that young American's won't know good from bad. I am homeschooling my 6 year-old so I know she will be taught correctly, but I wonder about the rest of her generation...

616 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:16:51am

re: #609 Moe Katz

Well, I'm almost unconscious. Goodnight/Layla tov/weet dreams to all.

Goodnight / layla tov / weet dreams to all from me, too!

617 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:17:06am

Goodnight, y'all, I'm heading to bed. The Titans will continue to crush all opponents, including the Bears tomorrow at noon. ;) (I haven't watched a game all year) LOL

And Red, if you do like Fugazi, here's a live performance from the 90s that was just uploaded. If you don't like 'em, just ignore. :)

Hope everyone has a great night/morning, ttyl

618 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:18:57am

Argh, I can't believe I put an apostrope in Americans.

/oh wait, yes I can, I've had an entire bottle of wine and several beers...

619 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:20:17am

Night OMD, gop. Weet dreams to the both of you.

/people are dropping like flies here.

620 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:20:21am

Haha, and I also put an apostrophe in Iraqis! Um, I really am literate...

621 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:23:40am

re: #619 BlueCanuck

Night OMD, gop. Weet dreams to the both of you.

/people are dropping like flies here.

I suppose that's because it's 4:21 est and 1:21 pst now. I wonder what time the morning crew arrives?

I've been reading lgf every day (multiple times a day) for years but only recently decided to start posting regularly. Pardon me if I'm stepping on anyone's toes. :)

622 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:24:29am

re: #621 foxtrotter

Well we have varied shifts here. I am a night owl right now due to my work shift.

623 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:30:44am

re: #622 BlueCanuck

I am a night owl by nature but work interferes frequently. I would rather not get up at 7am to work retail but that's how life goes I guess. I have tomorrow off though so I thought I'd see what happens on lgf during the late night hours. I feel like I have to defend my politics all day long so it's nice when an off-topic thread comes up and we can talk about anything. :)

624 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:35:58am

re: #623 foxtrotter

So out of curiosity, what made you take the plunge to start posting now?

/pardon me but I am a little bit nosy. ;)

625 Edouard  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:41:16am

Weet Dreams...

sing it, Patsy

GN Lizards ;)

626 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:42am

re: #624 BlueCanuck

So out of curiosity, what made you take the plunge to start posting now?

/pardon me but I am a little bit nosy. ;)

I suppose it was a little bit of everything. Like many here, I was disappointed in the election (though I suspected the outcome would be what it was.) I had spent the past several years posting at a site that overwhelmingingly supported Obama and finally cut my ties there. Like I said, I have been reading lgf for several years without really involving myself and finally decided that if there is one place I fit in, it is here. I am a female neo-con who leans rather liberal on social issues and there is really nowhere else I feel comfortable, so here I am.

627 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:48am

re: #626 foxtrotter

Well then, welcome and well met. I do believe that we are of all different stripes here.

628 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:59:31am

I have this sudden hankering for some fruits.....maybe clustered together in a little cup of some sort.

Why oh why does this peculiar urge typically hit me at this hour?

629 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:59:52am

re: #627 BlueCanuck

Well then, welcome and well met. I do believe that we are of all different stripes here.

Thank you. I have no problem with social conservatives and am more than willing to work with them. I hope that they welcome me and that we can all work together to strengthen conservatism and defeat our mutual enemies.

/I do wonder if that's possible.

630 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

631 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:20am

re: #628 Fenway_Nation

The same reason it strikes us all. We have been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs. :)

632 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:55am

Fenway! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

foxtrotter! :-) Howdy!

633 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:02:03am

re: #570 BlueCanuck

BTW, I wonder if littleoldlady or meannastyteen know about this?

Hey littleoldlady. Thanks once again for your offering of fruitcup. By the way check out the link in my quoted comment. :)

634 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:04am

re: #633 BlueCanuck

WHO DO WE SUE!?

/or should that be "whom"?

635 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:07am

So, are there any strawberries in this fruitcup?

636 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:07:14am

re: #635 foxtrotter


Why? Is there an allergy issue?

637 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:08:02am

re: #635 foxtrotter

So, are there any strawberries in this fruitcup?

Perhaps... ;-)

638 BignJames  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:08:05am

re: #635 foxtrotter

could be gifilte fish.

639 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:08:43am

Yah! I got here while the fruit is still fresh.

640 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:22am

re: #636 Fenway_Nation

Why? Is there an allergy issue?

No, not at all. It's just that I love strawberries. Therefore I am pre-disposed to love fruit cups that contain strawberries. If littleoldlady's fruit cups contain strawberries, I am loyal to her for life.

641 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:48am

I'm thinking of saving the newspaper front page showing the 0bama win for a little while and selling it off to a typical clueless 0bama supporter who forgot to get on on that 'historic date'....

....at a significant markup, mind you.

642 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:35am

Mmmmm the fruitcup will go good after I finish my lunch of baked beans, and fresh bread.

Baked Beans:
In a dutch oven cook
1 lb of bacon chopped
1 onion chopped
1-2 jalapeno peppers chopped (optional)
if you don't like bacon subsitute with 1 cup of good oil

When onions are sweated to translucence add
1/4 cup brown sugar
1/4 cup molasses
2 tablespoons of tomato paste.

Then when it's mixed throughly add

1 pound of white navy beans that have been soaked over night with 4 cups of liquid either the water they have been soaking in or vegetable stock, (recommend the water, topping up with stock)
At this time add 2 teaspoons of salt and (optional) a 1/4 teaspoon of cayenne pepper.

Bring to a boil then place the lid on and put in the oven at 250° F overnight.

If you don't have a stock pot, use a crockpot slow cooker and cook at least 24 hours for best results.

643 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:48am

re: #638 BignJames

could be gifilte fish.

BigNJames! :-)

Not even in my worst nightmares... ;-)

re: #640 foxtrotter

Okay, there's strawberries, then!

/don't worry about bankrupting me or anything... ;-)

644 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:15:01am

re: #642 BlueCanuck

Ahhhhhh PIMF Stock pot = Dutch oven. :(

645 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:06am

re: #637 littleoldlady

Perhaps... ;-)

If you have strawberries, then I am yours and you are mine. (Pardon me while I quote Henry V "when France is mine and I am yours, then yours is France and you are mine".)

646 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:36am

re: #644 BlueCanuck

Ahhhhhh PIMF Stock pot = Dutch oven. :(


Sock pot!? Oh lordy....this will turn out worse than my Hugo Chavez sweatsock pruno!

647 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:20:14am

re: #641 Fenway_Nation

I'm thinking of saving the newspaper front page showing the 0bama win for a little while and selling it off to a typical clueless 0bama supporter who forgot to get on on that 'historic date'....

....at a significant markup, mind you.

I'm still kicking myself that I did not think ahead for that eventuality. I work at a bookstore and we carry the New York Times. We received only 5 copies of the NYT on Wednesday and I could have made a killing by buying the few copies that we received. And yet, somehow, I couldn't let myself do that...

648 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:20:52am

re: #639 tappin52

Yah! I got here while the fruit is still fresh.

Here where I live, considering the proximity to West Hollywood....the fruits are ALWAYS fresh.....

....oof

649 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:21:04am

good morning everyone!

Welcome foxtrotter.

The Fat Beagle has many creative ways of waking me up to give her her breakfast - this morning she sat on my head.

Brat.

650 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:23:58am

tappin52! :-)

wahabi! :-)

My dog woke me up, too. At 1 AM! Wasn't entirely her fault. MNTS came in, and usually Roxanne ignores her, but this time decided it was the right time to bark her head off.

/feh

651 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:57am

Matrix! :-)

Have some strawberries, courtesy of foxtrotter.

652 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:12am

re: #649 wahabicorridor

good morning everyone!

Welcome foxtrotter.

The Fat Beagle has many creative ways of waking me up to give her her breakfast - this morning she sat on my head.

Brat.

I don't have a dog at this point but I have always wanted a beagle. Really, if I had to pick a dog off the cuff, I would pick a beagle. Your post makes me laugh at this point, but I suspect I won't be laughing in the future. :)

653 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:22am

re: #650 littleoldlady

tappin52! :-)

wahabi! :-)

My dog woke me up, too. At 1 AM! Wasn't entirely her fault. MNTS came in, and usually Roxanne ignores her, but this time decided it was the right time to bark her head off.

/feh

Roooooooooooxannnnnnnne

654 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:28:25am

re: #651 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

Have some strawberries, courtesy of foxtrotter.

Yes, I am providing strawberries this morning, though I cannot guarantee their freshness. I will be purchasing them at my local market, though I am in Michigan and we ran out of fresh strawberries long ago...

655 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:29:31am

re: #647 foxtrotter

I'm still kicking myself that I did not think ahead for that eventuality. I work at a bookstore and we carry the New York Times. We received only 5 copies of the NYT on Wednesday and I could have made a killing by buying the few copies that we received. And yet, somehow, I couldn't let myself do that...

I only have the one copy, so if there's a moonbat out there who'll pay $7500 for it that would be fan-freakin'-tastic....

656 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:29:31am

re: #653 TheMatrix31

She can sing that song! :-)

/part Husky.

657 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:33:23am

re: #652 foxtrotter

I don't have a dog at this point but I have always wanted a beagle. Really, if I had to pick a dog off the cuff, I would pick a beagle. Your post makes me laugh at this point, but I suspect I won't be laughing in the future. :)

Oh dear lord - get ready. Look, I'm better with dogs than most people. I've had a border collie, a german shepard, a mutt and even spent a summer helping train dogs for the Penna. State Police (I was the idiot in the bite suit) - but everything I thought I knew about dogs went out the window with the Beagle.

They can be unbelievably strong-willed, are famous for 'selective deafness' - and are not necessarily all that sweet if they don't want to be. The Fat Beagle is 10 inches at the shoulder and she has chased grown men off the property.

They are the most manipulative dogs I've ever known. And also the most comical.It took no more than 6 mos for the training to really take hold w/the collie and the shepard - this one was 18 mos. And not because she didn't 'get it' - she just didn't fucking feel like it.

She's 6 and a half now and is damn near perfect - but it took some serious 'Mom is Alpha whether you like it or not' discipline.

658 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:34:35am

re: #655 Fenway_Nation

I only have the one copy, so if there's a moonbat out there who'll pay $7500 for it that would be fan-freakin'-tastic....

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a moonbat out there willing to pay such a price. We had dozens of calls this morning looking for that new Time or Newsweek special issue featuring Obama. Heck, we sold out of the People special edition within the first few hours of opening this morning. The Time and Newsweek sold old pretty much immediately.

659 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:35:34am

Oh. Another example. The Alpha dog in her litter, Casey, went to a family that shows Malamutes. They had a 12 year old son who wanted to start showiwng and he wanted a beagle. They took 8 week, 8 pound Casey home - and she immediately started fights for 2 days until she was Alpha - with Malamutes!

660 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:38:38am

re: #656 littleoldlady

She can sing that song! :-)

/part Husky.

We have a purebred Husky :) Love him.

661 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:38:47am

re: #657 wahabicorridor

Oh dear lord - get ready. Look, I'm better with dogs than most people. I've had a border collie, a german shepard, a mutt and even spent a summer helping train dogs for the Penna. State Police (I was the idiot in the bite suit) - but everything I thought I knew about dogs went out the window with the Beagle.

They can be unbelievably strong-willed, are famous for 'selective deafness' - and are not necessarily all that sweet if they don't want to be. The Fat Beagle is 10 inches at the shoulder and she has chased grown men off the property.

They are the most manipulative dogs I've ever known. And also the most comical.It took no more than 6 mos for the training to really take hold w/the collie and the shepard - this one was 18 mos. And not because she didn't 'get it' - she just didn't fucking feel like it.

She's 6 and a half now and is damn near perfect - but it took some serious 'Mom is Alpha whether you like it or not' discipline.

Oh, I totally believe you. I just have this thing for beagles even though I know I'm asking for hell. A dog who doesn't get it just because she doesn't feel like it? Totally me. I'm going to have a totally frustrating time training that beagle, but I will do it eventually...

662 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:43:49am

re: #661 foxtrotter

I'm going to have a totally frustrating time training that beagle, but I will do it eventually...

Training tip: Green beans. Beagles are highly food-motivated - and if you use dog treats you will end up with a fat beagle. Most beagles love green beans and they won't add weight. I buy them frozen, nuke/steam them in the microwave.

663 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:43:50am

Oh boy, beagle stories. Back in my childhood we got our family dog from our neighbors. He was stranded as a puppy. They couldn't take him because they already had a dog, a beagle that was trained for hunting. Well both dogs got along well enough, until the beagle tried his alpha tricks on our dog. With hilarious results. When Mij was a puppy, Jake towered over him. That lasted for about 2 months. Finally when the alpha fight started Mij could walk over Jake. And Mij wasn't a push over, much to Jakes chagrin. After that Mij was the alpha.

664 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:44:55am

re: #659 wahabicorridor

Our family loves dobermans. My son picked the most aggressive male froma litter of eleven. He turned out to be the most neeedy, neurotic marshmallow ever. Unfortunately, his favorite treats were tainted by the Chinese so now he rests in our back woods.

665 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:33am

re: #660 TheMatrix31

We have a purebred Husky :) Love him.

Roxanne has one blue eye, one brown. (We're not positive, but we think the other "parts" are lab and chow.) She is the sweetest thing, World's Best Dog. Seriously! The only complaints we've had in the 10 years she's had us as pets is that, although she can do lots of tricks, "COME" isn't one of them. Also she needs to be on a leash or a line outside or we're chasing her into the next county for the two or three hours it takes for her to get tired.

Pain in the butt. In the middle of a snow storm I am SO JEALOUS of people who can open the door and let the dog out to do its business, and know the dog will come back...

666 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:51am

re: #664 tappin52

OY. {tappin} :-(

667 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:47:56am

re: #658 foxtrotter

One of my most prized possessions is this Sports Illustrated autographed by Jason Varitek, Bill Mueller, Gabe Kapler and Dave biggest-stolen-base-in-86-years Roberts.

I put alot of effort into getting just those four signatures (out of a team of 25!), so re-selling it has never really been an option for me.

668 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:48:13am

re: #662 wahabicorridor

Training tip: Green beans. Beagles are highly food-motivated - and if you use dog treats you will end up with a fat beagle. Most beagles love green beans and they won't add weight. I buy them frozen, nuke/steam them in the microwave.

I will remember that. We always have green beans around here as we like to eat them, but I will remember that they are good to train beagles. We can't get a dog for another year and a half, but I will remember that for the future. Thanks!

669 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:49:51am

Already posted in spin-off links but this is not to be missed:

Planning under way for Obama holiday

Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation's 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

"Yes We Can" planning rallies will be at 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. every Tuesday at the downtown McDonald's restaurant, 1100 Kansas Ave., until Jan. 13. The goals are to secure a national holiday in Obama's honor, to organize celebrations around his inauguration and to celebrate the 200th birthday of President Abraham Lincoln, who was born on Feb. 12 1809.

At 7:30 a.m. on Inauguration Day, Obama Cake will be served at the downtown McDonald's,

Have your Obama cake and eat it too, but be sure to wash it down with some Obama kool-aid.....or else.

670 foxtrotter  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:49:53am

re: #664 tappin52

Our family loves dobermans. My son picked the most aggressive male froma litter of eleven. He turned out to be the most neeedy, neurotic marshmallow ever. Unfortunately, his favorite treats were tainted by the Chinese so now he rests in our back woods.

Oh, tha's awful. I'm so sorry!

671 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:51:15am

re: #665 littleoldlady

Roxanne has one blue eye, one brown. (We're not positive, but we think the other "parts" are lab and chow.) She is the sweetest thing, World's Best Dog. Seriously! The only complaints we've had in the 10 years she's had us as pets is that, although she can do lots of tricks, "COME" isn't one of them. Also she needs to be on a leash or a line outside or we're chasing her into the next county for the two or three hours it takes for her to get tired.

Pain in the butt. In the middle of a snow storm I am SO JEALOUS of people who can open the door and let the dog out to do its business, and know the dog will come back...

Drago's a pain in the butt too. I can't even describe it. Gotta love him though. My brother was an idiot for getting a Husky when we have no backyard. so we have to keep him in the house. It's okay, though, he's still the best.

672 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:52:12am

re: #664 tappin52

Our family loves dobermans. My son picked the most aggressive male froma litter of eleven. He turned out to be the most neeedy, neurotic marshmallow ever. Unfortunately, his favorite treats were tainted by the Chinese so now he rests in our back woods.

Oh, damn. I am so sorry.

The most magnificent canine speciman I have ever seen is a dobie - Reginald, aka Reggie. Met him at the vet's office. He is an absolute clown - for some strange reason he gets his kicks from people's laughter - he actually makes faces to make you laugh, then puts his head on your lap for a good scratch and a kiss. Great dog.

673 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:53:26am

The first dobie we had lived fourteen years. Absolutely fearless female who could kill snakes in a snap and was a better mouser than the cat.

674 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:24am

re: #669 Shiplord Kirel

Shiplord! :-)

Oh! I love holidays!

675 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:59:01am

re: #40 stuiec

In quiet moments, I fantasize that Obama has actually been scamming William Ayers for the last 20 years, and that he's really just your run-of-the-mill corrupt Chicago grafter. This instills in me a hope that he will put his own self-interest ahead of any Leftist loyalties he has, and will govern in such a way that he angles for re-election.

Then I snap out of it, and realize once more that he is likely to govern the way he talks: hard-Left, redistributionist, weak on defense.

And get re-elected anyway, with the media blaming all the problems on Bush and on Republicans trying to block his agenda, and vilifying his opponent, and massive voter fraud and intimidation. Not to mention the immigration that will go wildly unchecked during his administration. But I don't think we need to worry about him being re-elected. If he doesn't kill us all during his first term, he'll surrender, and maybe he'll get assigned dhimmi dictator in chief.

676 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:59:49am

Note from the above linked story that McDonald's is apparently participating officially in the promotion of the Obama holiday.

677 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:00:10am

re: #669 Shiplord Kirel

Please say they aren't serious.

678 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:01:51am

Like...an actual federal holiday?

679 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:03:34am

re: #677 BlueCanuck

Please say they aren't serious.

Alas, it appears for all the world that they are. One of the promoters, Sonny Scroggins, is a well-known "community organizer." Another, Lamont Lassiter, is the manager of the McDonald's that will serve the Obama cake and it is apparently being done on McDonald's dime.

Btw, I was in Gander Mountain today to get some clay pigeons. People were buying ammo by the case.

680 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:05:09am

re: #679 Shiplord Kirel

Great, a holiday for a president that hasn't even served yet and has no accomplishments to his name yet. Takers on it actually happening?

681 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:07:22am

re: #669 Shiplord Kirel

Already posted in spin-off links but this is not to be missed:

Planning under way for Obama holiday

Have your Obama cake and eat it too, but be sure to wash it down with some Obama kool-aid.....or else.

These people are such ... chuckleheads ... empty, pathetic moron losers. It's terrifying to think that this is what so many Americans have become. I have no doubt that if you asked them what they'd think about Obama becoming dictator for life, they'd say they hope so.

682 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:02am

The push for a holiday for Obama is ridiculous at this point. We have diminished Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays to the point of a national White Sale. Try asking any student today if they know the actual birthdates. I appreciate the history of the election, but "That One" could prove to be regrettable. Save the holiday talk until we know if he is competent.

683 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:12am

re: #680 BlueCanuck

Great, a holiday for a president that hasn't even served yet and has no accomplishments to his name yet. Takers on it actually happening?

Considering he got elected like that......I'd say 95%. The bottom 95%, that is.

684 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:29am

re: #679 Shiplord Kirel

Alas, it appears for all the world that they are. One of the promoters, Sonny Scroggins, is a well-known "community organizer." Another, Lamont Lassiter, is the manager of the McDonald's that will serve the Obama cake and it is apparently being done on McDonald's dime.

Btw, I was in Gander Mountain today to get some clay pigeons. People were buying ammo by the case.

Any Topeka Lizards want to arrange a boycott of that McDonald's?

685 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:09:03am

re: #676 Shiplord Kirel

Note from the above linked story that McDonald's is apparently participating officially in the promotion of the Obama holiday.

Maybe. Maybe not. McDonald's are franchises, are they not? The email address given is not a McDonald's corp but to 'biasbusters' - could well be an initiative of the franchise owner.

686 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:09:46am
687 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:12:23am

re: #686 littleoldlady

I saw that a day or so ago. Very funny.

688 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:12:27am

re: #682 tappin52

The push for a holiday for Obama is ridiculous at this point. We have diminished Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays to the point of a national White Sale. Try asking any student today if they know the actual birthdates. I appreciate the history of the election, but "That One" could prove to be regrettable. Save the holiday talk until we know if he is competent.

Uh, save the holiday talk, period. It's not worth a second's thought and never will be.

689 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:16:30am

Btw, for those of you who want to get armed but might be a little short on funds, Gander Mountain has the Brazilian made Rossi single-shot shotguns for $99. I have a very similar Rossi rifle in .223 and it is a dandy gun, practically every backwoods home in Brazil has one.
The drawback is that you only have one shot but you might be surprised at how fast you can re-load with a little practice. Besides, one hit from a 12 gauge is guaranteed to put a bad guy out of business, probably for good, something that is not the case even with quite powerful handguns.

690 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:19:43am

re: #689 Shiplord Kirel

I "allegedly" have one of those 12 gauge shot guns, plus a hand gun that Clint Eastwood used in a Dirty Harry movie. Not that I know how to use either of them, but I probably should get some bullets for them.

/"alleged" as in Israeli nukes...

691 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:20:03am

Does anyone have any guess as to how many fraudulent votes ACORN racked up? I am so disgusted that they blatantly operate with so much support from the Dems and there is absolutely no consequence. It is enough to lose one's mind over.

692 Geepers  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:20:19am

littleoldlady (#686),

Nice.

Oh and thanks a lot. (Sittin' 'ear listenin' to Mary Poppins.)

693 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:22:36am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Uh, save the holiday talk, period. It's not worth a second's thought and never will be.

Just the notion is enough to make me laugh and cry hysterically, simultaneously.

694 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:22:53am

re: #688 Tigger2005

Uh, save the holiday talk, period. It's not worth a second's thought and never will be.

I'm not concerned with the holiday in and of itself, but with what it tells us about the Obama cult, especially since this is happening in the American heartland and local business is unself-consciously pitching in with what is, on its face, the kind of proposal we see only in rigid totalitarian dictatorships.

695 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:23:18am

re: #691 tappin52

Does anyone have any guess as to how many fraudulent votes ACORN racked up?

Hell, I can't even think of a methodology that would find out....................

696 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:23:47am

re: #692 Geepers

Geepers! :-)

Any time, my friend. You can always count on me. ;-)

697 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:27:10am

re: #51 William

Check this exchange with Tom Brokaw from the Charlie Rose show:

Bet they know the contents of Piper Palin's dresser, though.

698 Geepers  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:27:55am
It's not going to be quick, it's not going to be easy for us to dig ourselves out of the hole that we are in.

~ Barack Obama

DIG ourselves OUT of a HOLE?!?

Ya know for someone that's such an "eloquent speaker" Barry sure make a lot of dopey statements.

699 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:29:28am

re: #698 Geepers

Biden's been helping him out, ya know.

700 rightwinger3  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:31:39am

re: #689 Shiplord Kirel

Btw, for those of you who want to get armed but might be a little short on funds, Gander Mountain has the Brazilian made Rossi single-shot shotguns for $99. I have a very similar Rossi rifle in .223 and it is a dandy gun, practically every backwoods home in Brazil has one.
The drawback is that you only have one shot but you might be surprised at how fast you can re-load with a little practice. Besides, one hit from a 12 gauge is guaranteed to put a bad guy out of business, probably for good, something that is not the case even with quite powerful handguns.

Shiplord, thanks for the tip. A shotgun, one for each family member as a matter of fact, so I guess several shotguns are on my shopping list.

701 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:34:20am

re: #691 tappin52

Victimology sucks.

702 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:35:08am

Definitely OT - anyone else listen to these guys MGMT?

703 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:36:47am

re: #698 Geepers

DIG ourselves OUT of a HOLE?!?

Ya know for someone that's such an "eloquent speaker" Barry sure make a lot of dopey statements.

Last time I checked, if you start digging while standing in a hole, the hole gets deeper and deeper. In most places in the world, sooner or later that hole will either fill up with gas and you'll die or you'll hit water and drown. Good luck with that Hussein.

704 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:08am

re: #703 galloping granny

Last time I checked, if you start digging while standing in a hole, the hole gets deeper and deeper. In most places in the world, sooner or later that hole will either fill up with gas and you'll die or you'll hit water and drown. Good luck with that Hussein.

Wait till he gets deep enough then toss him a case of dynamite. :)

705 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:10am

re: #694 Shiplord Kirel

I'm not concerned with the holiday in and of itself, but with what it tells us about the Obama cult, especially since this is happening in the American heartland and local business is unself-consciously pitching in with what is, on its face, the kind of proposal we see only in rigid totalitarian dictatorships.

We have never in our history had a holiday in honor of a living individual and we should not start now. That smacks way too much of Hitler 101 and Lenin.

706 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:47am

re: #704 BlueCanuck

Wait till he gets deep enough then toss him a case of dynamite. :)

Morning Blue. How's things?

707 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:39:41am

re: #705 galloping granny

We have never in our history had a holiday in honor of a living individual and we should not start now. That smacks way too much of Hitler 101 and Lenin.

I posted it on my Facebook profile. Let's see how many people I get liking/supporting the idea.

708 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:41:42am

re: #706 galloping granny

Morning granny, doing okay so far. Things about to get noisy here though. :(

/I hate monthly fire testing with a passion.

709 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:42:35am

re: #708 BlueCanuck

Morning granny, doing okay so far. Things about to get noisy here though. :(

/I hate monthly fire testing with a passion.

Fire testing?

710 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:45:29am

re: #709 galloping granny

Yeah, I am at work. Monthly test of the fire alarm system. Bells whistles buzzers, the whole shooting match.

711 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:45:56am

re: #708 BlueCanuck

fire testing?

morning granny..........

712 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:47:13am

re: #705 galloping granny

There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.

I think it's creepy.

713 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:19am

re: #711 wahabicorridor

Ever hear an office building fire alarm? Now think of that and amplify it by two hours of alarms going off in a loud echoing lobby.

714 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:32am

re: #710 BlueCanuck

Yeah, I am at work. Monthly test of the fire alarm system. Bells whistles buzzers, the whole shooting match.

Oh I hate that. But I suppose it is more endurable than ending up like that Russian sub.

715 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:32am

re: #712 Bumr50

There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.

I think it's creepy.

You can make them stop real quick. Just tell them "checks are not forthcoming..."

716 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:11am

re: #712 Bumr50

There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.

I think it's creepy.

PITTSBURGH! Hey, I grew up there! (Mt. Lebo, Bethel Park)

Too bad about Penn State the other day :(

717 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:43am

re: #714 galloping granny

True, but I do get claustrophobic at my desk from time to time.

718 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:46am

re: #694 Shiplord Kirel

I'm not concerned with the holiday in and of itself, but with what it tells us about the Obama cult, especially since this is happening in the American heartland and local business is unself-consciously pitching in with what is, on its face, the kind of proposal we see only in rigid totalitarian dictatorships.

There needs to be a boycott of that McDonald's.

Some of the most stupid-ass things I've heard this election cycle have been coming out of the American heartland, like KC Star editorial staff member Lewis Diuguid saying "socialist is a code word for black." Missouri remained sane and went McCain, but just barely.

It's all so terrifying. This election has given legitimacy, and ultimate authority, to radical, utopian, irrational, magical thinking, thinking that completely disconnects actions from consequences, rhetoric from reality, accomplishments from adulation. The people in power now, and their supporters, are not people who can be reasoned with like rational people. They're a New Age Marxist political-religious cult. And now that they have the freedom to enact their agenda they will act boldly through their business, media, academic, and legal surrogates, as well as groups like ACORN, to suppress independent, rational thinking and encourage groupthink. They'll especially target the young, utilizing peer and teacher pressure, and seek to lock in all the gains they've already made at converting them to an unthinking socialist/environmentalist/multiculturalist mindset. Once a critical mass of brain-dead people is reached, it will be almost impossible to dislodge the socialist regime. Look how long it took the Russians to wake up to the futility of communism, and it took them even longer to do anything about it. And that was with America providing an alternative example. Who will be our alternative example?

"We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to a thousand years of darkness."
--Ronald Reagan, 1964 speech, "A Time for Choosing."

719 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:50:03am

re: #711 wahabicorridor

fire testing?

morning granny..........

Morning wahabi.

re: #712 Bumr50

There are people here in Pittsburgh STILL all decked out in Obama gear and talking loudly about the election.

I think it's creepy.

Creepy isn't quite the word. I'll have to think on it. The phenomenon needs a much stronger descriptor these days.

720 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:52:13am

re: #718 Tigger2005

There needs to be a boycott of that McDonald's.

Some of the most stupid-ass things I've heard this election cycle have been coming out of the American heartland, like KC Star editorial staff member Lewis Diuguid saying "socialist is a code word for black." Missouri remained sane and went McCain, but just barely.

It's all so terrifying. This election has given legitimacy, and ultimate authority, to radical, utopian, irrational, magical thinking, thinking that completely disconnects actions from consequences, rhetoric from reality, accomplishments from adulation. The people in power now, and their supporters, are not people who can be reasoned with like rational people. They're a New Age Marxist political-religious cult. And now that they have the freedom to enact their agenda they will act boldly through their business, media, academic, and legal surrogates, as well as groups like ACORN, to suppress independent, rational thinking and encourage groupthink. They'll especially target the young, utilizing peer and teacher pressure, and seek to lock in all the gains they've already made at converting them to an unthinking socialist/environmentalist/multicultural ist mindset. Once a critical mass of brain-dead people is reached, it will be almost impossible to dislodge the socialist regime. Look how long it took the Russians to wake up to the futility of communism, and it took them even longer to do anything about it. And that was with America providing an alternative example. Who will be our alternative example?

"We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to a thousand years of darkness."
--Ronald Reagan, 1964 speech, "A Time for Choosing."

And in reality they STILL have done nothing about it.

721 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:55:56am

re: #713 BlueCanuck

Ever hear an office building fire alarm? Now think of that and amplify it by two hours of alarms going off in a loud echoing lobby.

I would end up with a major migraine had would have to be evac'd by EMT

722 John-SA  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:01:17am

Watching Rove (light entertainment show on Australian television) tonight.

Actor Rob Schneider (from the Deuce Bigalo movies, etc.) was a guest on show. After Rove did the whole congratulations on electing Obama spiel, Schneider said how great it was to no longer be embarrassed about being an American when overseas, unlike the last eight years.

He went on about this at some length, e.g. how when in Europe he'd pretend to be Canadian or Australian or something.

Just thought I'd let my American friends know.

723 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:37am

re: #722 John-SA

Don't worry - we've known for a very long time - but thanks.

724 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:03:42am

re: #722 John-SA

We've stopped apologizing for the dumb Americans that go overseas.

725 TheMatrix31  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:37am

re: #722 John-SA

Watching Rove (light entertainment show on Australian television) tonight.

Actor Rob Schneider (from the Deuce Bigalo movies, etc.) was a guest on show. After Rove did the whole congratulations on electing Obama spiel, Schneider said how great it was to no longer be embarrassed about being an American when overseas, unlike the last eight years.

He went on about this at some length, e.g. how when in Europe he'd pretend to be Canadian or Australian or something.

Just thought I'd let my American friends know.

Then maybe he should take his ass out of the country that has made him the millionaire that he is today.

726 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:49am

re: #723 wahabicorridor

Don't worry - we've known for a very long time - but thanks.

And that will wear off shortly anyway. People aren't suddenly going to start loving either America or Americans because Hussein has been "elected" president.

727 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:05:08am

re: #722 John-SA

What? Rob Schneider pretending to be a Canadian or Australian? Is that guy clueless or what? As if most people wouldn't know that he's American.

728 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:06:07am

re: #725 TheMatrix31

Then maybe he should take his ass out of the country that has made him the millionaire that he is today.

Personally, I think we should keep a list. Something like a Blacklist. Call it a Boycott These Idiots list.

729 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:07:38am

re: #728 galloping granny

Actually boycotting Rob Schneider films wouldn't do much good. Have you seen some of his movies? :p

730 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:09:46am

re: #729 BlueCanuck

Actually boycotting Rob Schneider films wouldn't do much good. Have you seen some of his movies? :p

I don't much like movies, so in general probably not. I think the last movie I saw that is reasonably new is Spiderwick Chronicles. Other than that, I last watched Dr. Zhivago (three nights ago.)

731 Arkay  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:10:13am

Politics. n. From the Greek poly, meaning many, and tics, meaning blood sucking parasites.
-James Carville (a paragon of same)

732 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:10:34am

re: #701 Bumr50

Victimology sucks.

I'm crying victimology? Is it too much to ask that those who chose to ignore law get to experience the consequence of that choice?

733 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:13:05am

re: #732 tappin52

I'm crying victimology? Is it too much to ask that those who chose to ignore law get to experience the consequence of that choice?

Maybe that depends on the law. Let's say there is suddenly a law that says I have to send my kiddo off to re-education camp and I refuse to comply. Do I then "deserve" some consequences?

734 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:15:54am

re: #722 John-SA

Rob Schneider, interestingly, is of Filipino heritage.

Being of Filipino heritage and still an American citizen, I could as well say my feelings are the reverse of his.

735 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:49am

re: #734 laZardo

Rob Schneider, interestingly, is of Filipino heritage.

Being of Filipino heritage and still an American citizen, I could as well say my feelings are the reverse of his.

And your opinion counts...why?

/celebrities rule drool! ;-)

736 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:24am

re: #729 BlueCanuck

The only thing he's famous for is being the guy who shouts "Yew can doo it!" in Adam Sandler movies. [=

737 BlueCanuck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:29am

Actually, looking at all the moonbats stating that when they travel they call themselves Canadian. This would explain the loss of goodwill real Canadians have had when we travel overseas. :)

/seriously, think about that for a second. . . . .

738 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:53am

re: #728 galloping granny

Personally, I think we should keep a list. Something like a Blacklist. Call it a Boycott These Idiots list.

I'm sure there is something already.

One interesting thing is that George Lucas is a grade-A moonbat, a big Dem supporter who I have no doubt donated to and voted for Obama.

Yet another middle-class kid who made it completely on his own through hard work and risk-taking and became a multi-millionaire in this great rich land of opportunity of ours who for some reason wants to turn it into a socialist shithole where nobody else will have his chance at success (and where nobody will have the money to buy Star Wars and Indiana Jones toys, for that matter).

But he's been a moonbat for a long time. Probably started at USC film school in the 60's. He was the one who came up with the idea for the anti-Vietnam War film Apocalypse Now, although Francis Ford Coppolla stole it. Many years ago he gave an interview where he said the Ewoks in "Return of the Jedi" were like the VietCong, primitive people beating a sophisticated war machine simply because they believed in what they were fighting for. Yeah, whatever, George.

739 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:57am

re: #733 galloping granny

I'm not talking hypothetically. There are laws that were broken. No consequence? Unacceptable.

740 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:09am

re: #735 littleoldlady

And your opinion counts...why?

Exactly. [;

A lot of Filipino Americans supported Hillary though...I guess there was only one place left to go after the primaries, and it wasn't to the "other side."

741 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:12am

re: #734 laZardo

Rob Schneider, interestingly, is of Filipino heritage.

Being of Filipino heritage and still an American citizen, I could as well say my feelings are the reverse of his.

Perhaps he should have been claiming to be Filipino right along then. Or the German that his last name indicates.

742 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:14am

re: #726 galloping granny

And that will wear off shortly anyway. People aren't suddenly going to start loving either America or Americans because Hussein has been "elected" president.

A few days ago No Parasan had a piece on how some French media were sniggering that Obama is only half black and Americans will lose the racist label when we elect someone REALLY DARK.

743 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:20:53am

re: #738 Tigger2005

But he's been a moonbat for a long time. Probably started at USC film school in the 60's. He was the one who came up with the idea for the anti-Vietnam War film Apocalypse Now, although Francis Ford Coppolla stole it. Many years ago he gave an interview where he said the Ewoks in "Return of the Jedi" were like the VietCong, primitive people beating a sophisticated war machine simply because they believed in what they were fighting for. Yeah, whatever, George.

And what the hell is wrong with the smell of napalm in the morning? [=

/seriously though, TIE fighters were the shit.

744 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:20:57am

re: #737 BlueCanuck

ROTFL! You should sue!

745 Geepers  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:25am
In a tortuous ruling that threatens to have a chilling effect on discussions of “new” German anti-Semitism, the District Court of Cologne recently upheld a restraining order that forbids author Henryk Broder from describing the discourse of a virulent critic of Israel as “anti-Semitic” in a post on a popular German blog.

The EUropeans: Our Betters.

Can You Call Someone ‘Anti-Semitic’ on a Blog? Not in Germany

Read the whole thing (if you want to make yourself sick.)

746 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:27am

Oh. I didn't realize Charles had an edit like that. Ok, change the word with asteriks in it to 'snickering'.

Hubby is awake. BBL

747 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:57am

re: #739 tappin52

I'm not talking hypothetically. There are laws that were broken. No consequence? Unacceptable.

I know you aren't talking hypothetically. If you're talking about the hundreds of laws broken regarding this current election, keep in mind that all those US Attorneys want to keep their jobs. Hussein has already vowed to undo virtually every action and executive order Bush has taken and will have the power to do so. Just who do you think is going to insure consequences for the law breaking. I doubt Joe Smith policeman down on the corner is going to go arrest Hussein.

748 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:22:31am

re: #716 wahabicorridor

It's a great place to be FROM, trust me.

749 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:24:44am

re: #747 galloping granny

Well, there's a bit of a problem. Why should thery KEEP their job when they won't DO their job?

750 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:25:06am

re: #747 galloping granny

I know you aren't talking hypothetically. If you're talking about the hundreds of laws broken regarding this current election, keep in mind that all those US Attorneys want to keep their jobs. Hussein has already vowed to undo virtually every action and executive order Bush has taken and will have the power to do so. Just who do you think is going to insure consequences for the law breaking. I doubt Joe Smith policeman down on the corner is going to go arrest Hussein.

I think we have to face the fact that we could well have an actual dictatorship on our hands. Just like that.

751 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:26:24am

re: #741 galloping granny

Actually, I've noticed a lot of Filipinos in the upper echelons of society (often in celeb ranks) with American, European and Chinese-ish surnames.

It's perhaps a legacy of the 'colonial mentality,' where unlike in America, how much non-native-Filipino blood you have would be a fairly reliable indicator as to where you generally started and ended in society.

/ironically, I have ancestors up the family tree who fought in the Philippine Revolution, though I'm a bit hazy on if they fought in the subsequent Filipino-American War...

752 littleoldlady  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:10am

re: #733 galloping granny

Maybe that depends on the law. Let's say there is suddenly a law that says I have to send my kiddo off to re-education camp and I refuse to comply. Do I then "deserve" some consequences?

As your defense attorney let me outline your case:

There are approximately 20 million illegal aliens undocumented Americans who broke the law the minute they stepped foot in this country, and most have suffered no consequences whatsoever.

LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN.

753 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:20am

re: #749 tappin52

Well, there's a bit of a problem. Why should thery KEEP their job when they won't DO their job?

It's the Chicago Way.

754 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:28am

re: #750 Tigger2005

I think we have to face the fact that we could well have an actual dictatorship on our hands. Just like that.

Yup. Nobody to stop him.

755 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:28:44am

re: #750 Tigger2005

He's going to have to make a substantial portion of that happen in the first two years. And at the same time make sure there isn't a backlash that could give the Republicans a fighting chance to get back in the Senate.

That would require a fully-coordinated national effort, and there are still the 'factions' that want to claim their reward for putting him in power in the first place.

756 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:29:18am

re: #732 tappin52

Perhaps my post was vague. Sorry.

I look at at ACORN and see it as being a product of victimology and allowing people to feel empowered to the tune of "by any means necessary."

Stealing every vote possible was seen as heroic and Robin Hood-esque by a great majority of these vote thieves, I'm sure.

Many probably still feel absolutely NO moral guilt, and I agree that they should be punished.

757 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:30:28am

re: #749 tappin52

Well, there's a bit of a problem. Why should thery KEEP their job when they won't DO their job?

US Attorneys serve solely and entirely at the pleasure of the sitting president. Today is November 9. EVEN if all of the investigation and documentation was ready to go in each of the 50+ jurisdictions, there is not a prayer in hell that any case could make it through the court system before January 20. And come inauguration day, any US Attorney that was in the midst of prosecuting our new lord and master would find himself instantly unemployed.

So, what purpose would 50 or so of our best and brightest throwing themselves to the wolves serve exactly?

758 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:31:13am

re: #748 Bumr50

It's a great place to be FROM, trust me.

Hey, the 'burg was a great place to grow up - but no more Penna for me - not with those taxes.

759 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:31:20am

re: #756 Bumr50

Got it. No problem.

760 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:31:31am

re: #756 Bumr50

Perhaps my post was vague. Sorry.

I look at at ACORN and see it as being a product of victimology and allowing people to feel empowered to the tune of "by any means necessary."

It's exactly the same attitude that let O.J. Simpson get away with murder.

761 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:38am

re: #757 galloping granny

I'm sure that Congress would hold hearings as to the improper firing of said attorneys./////////////////////////////////////

762 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:48am

re: #757 galloping granny

US Attorneys serve solely and entirely at the pleasure of the sitting president. Today is November 9. EVEN if all of the investigation and documentation was ready to go in each of the 50+ jurisdictions, there is not a prayer in hell that any case could make it through the court system before January 20. And come inauguration day, any US Attorney that was in the midst of prosecuting our new lord and master would find himself instantly unemployed.

So, what purpose would 50 or so of our best and brightest throwing themselves to the wolves serve exactly?

Well, if they were ALL, or many of them, investigating Obama, and he fired them all, surely THAT would make a lot of Americans sit up and take notice. But the AG's would never have the courage to do it.

763 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:29am

re: #761 tappin52

I'm sure that Congress would hold hearings as to the improper firing of said attorneys.////////////////////////////// ///////

Sarcasm, right? As in Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi acting all responsible and concerned for democracy and all that ...

764 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:36:56am

re: #754 galloping granny

Yup. Nobody to stop him.

Saul Alinsky Takes the White House

Too many conservatives think we've seen all this before -- in 1964 and 1974 and 1992 -- and that we know how to handle it. Fly, meet ointment: We're not dealing with the same sorts of opponents. These New Alinskyites who are taking over the White House, combined with the most leftist congressional leadership in memory, will not let us play by the same rules under which conservatives recovered from those earlier debacles. They will try to drastically tilt the playing field, seed our side of the field with land mines and, in short, rig the process to make it next to impossible for the political right, or Republicans, to recover. And they are likely to succeed in at least some of these designs.
[ ]
Watch what Michael Barone called the Obama "thugocracy" use the Justice Department to stifle dissent. Anybody who complains about vote fraud will be charged with "vote suppression." Anybody who complains about DoJ's actions will be charged with interfering with an investigation. Anybody who denies having interfered will be charged with perjury. Likewise, anybody who peacefully protests abortion clinics or the use of state-sponsored racial quotas will be charged with a civil rights violation. And the accused won't be able to look to the Supreme Court for help: Anthony Kennedy's "evolving standards" of justice will evolve to match the new zeitgeist, providing a 5-4 majority for the administration. Meanwhile, of course, Obama's other appointments will be filling up the rest of the judiciary at a rapid clip, with nobody able to stop them.

Read the rest - it gets even worse...........

765 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:23am

re: #762 Tigger2005

Well, if they were ALL, or many of them, investigating Obama, and he fired them all, surely THAT would make a lot of Americans sit up and take notice. But the AG's would never have the courage to do it.

Congress only notices when Republicans fire US Attorneys. And another little monkey wrench to throw into the works: the sitting US President is in general immune from prosecution for darned near anything. That probably includes election fraud.

And if a whole bunch of AGs had the sheer balls to try to pin it on Husseini's underlings, the day he takes office one magic stroke of his pen issues a presidential pardon and wipes it all away.

In other words, bend over. You'll like it or else.

766 tappin52  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:41am

re: #763 Tigger2005
Big sarcasm. Well folks, thanks for the brain exercises. I'm off to have breakfast with my son then watch grandson's Pop Warner football.

767 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:39:09am

So I'm reading the Newspeak Appendix essay at the back of 1984 and I come across this interesting tidbit...

Even in the early decades of the twentieth century, telescoped words and phrases had been one of the characteristic features of political language; and it had been noticed that the tendency to use abbreviations of this kind was most marked in totalitarian countries and totalitarian organizations. Examples were such words as Nazi, Gestapo, Comintern, Inprecorr, Agitprop. In the beginning the practice had been adopted as it were instinctively, but in Newspeak it was used with a conscious purpose. It was perceived that in thus abbreviating a name one narrowed and subtly altered its meaning, by cutting out most of the associations that would otherwise cling to it.

The words Communist International, for instance, call up a composite picture of universal human brotherhood, red flags, barricades, Karl Marx, and the Paris Commune. The word Comintern, on the other hand, suggests merely a tightly-knit organization and a well-defined body of doctrine. It refers to something almost as easily recognized, and as limited in purpose, as a chair or a table. Comintern is a word that can be uttered almost without taking thought, whereas Communist International is a phrase over which one is obliged to linger at least momentarily.

In the same way, the associations called up by a word like Minitrue are fewer and more controllable than those called up by Ministry of Truth.

Something to think about when they call out the "right-wing Nazi!" card...

768 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:18am

re: #760 Tigger2005

I think that until there is significant, publicly visible outrage from African American leadership on whatever level is understood best be it pulpit, podium, or screen, this attitude will not only be ignored but exacerbated.

There is complicity deep into the House and Senate, and now the Oval Office.

Moral relativity is killing us.

769 The Other Les  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:40am
770 The Other Les  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:43:05am

re: #767 laZardo

So I'm reading the Newspeak Appendix essay at the back of 1984 and I come across this interesting tidbit...

Something to think about when they call out the "right-wing Nazi!" card...

There's a reason why I prefer to use the term National Socialist instead of Nazi.

I'm also starting to use the abbreviation N-NS or NeoNS instead of Neonazi.

771 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:24am

re: #764 wahabicorridor

On a previous thread I mentioned describing the "thugocracy" as "political terrorism" because to me, that's what it looks like. No rules, no honor, no matter the path, there is only victory.

Plus the term "political terrorism" would perhaps resonate better with those yet to understand the tactics of the left.

The only drawback would be somehow cheapening the sorrow, rage, love, hate, and other emotions felt by the victims of flesh and blood terror.
I'm not sure if such terminology does that, and that's the last thing I waould want by continuing to use the term.

I cannot dismiss it's accuracy.

772 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:10am

re: #768 Bumr50

I think that until there is significant, publicly visible outrage from African American leadership on whatever level is understood best be it pulpit, podium, or screen, this attitude will not only be ignored but exacerbated.

There is complicity deep into the House and Senate, and now the Oval Office.

Moral relativity is killing us.

I try to tell people what danger we're in. They just don't see it. They've been in the pot too long and they're almost cooked. They don't take anything seriously. Friend I was chatting with last night hates Obama, but he said, "I'm not worrying about it anymore, time to move on" and "Nothing you can do about it now."

If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet."

Ronald Reagan speech, A Time for Choosing, 1964

773 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:13am

re: #772 Tigger2005

I try to tell people what danger we're in. They just don't see it. They've been in the pot too long and they're almost cooked. They don't take anything seriously. Friend I was chatting with last night hates Obama, but he said, "I'm not worrying about it anymore, time to move on" and "Nothing you can do about it now."

If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet."

Ronald Reagan speech, A Time for Choosing, 1964

I am sorely afraid that blood is going to run in our streets long before this is over.

774 callahan23  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:58am

re: #745 Geepers

The EUropeans: Our Betters.

Can You Call Someone ‘Anti-Semitic’ on a Blog? Not in Germany

Read the whole thing (if you want to make yourself sick.)

Just read it myself and as a German and an avid fan of Henryk Broder I had on time updates of the whole story from the beginning.
Appalling.
I'm so embarrassed to be living in Germany.
Because antisemitism is an constant companion in so many political discussions that I have with ordinary Germans. Just the other day some guy needed to point out that the Rothschild's are the owners of the French daily 'Libération'... soo?!? A**hat!
You kinda get this sort of arguments you least expect it from.

775 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:28am

I was just surfing around, reading various articles about Obama's win, and it's interesting. He won this election because he was black.

Almost all of the congratulatory articles I have read has dealt with the fact that a black man is finally in the white house. And the media is tapping almost every special interest area to tout his winning.

An example. The Denver Post today has an article about Denver's only black live theatre group and how it's staff of technical people and actors are elated over the win.

And you will probably notice these kinds of articles all through the print and electronic media.

And certainly, I have no problem with him being black, actually, I have no problem with the fact that he will be our future president (not unless he screws up), but I do have a problem with being told for over a year that this had election nothing to do with race, but it was racist not to support him.

Where are the articles about conservative black American's (as part of a group, like a live theatre, or otherwise) who are not elated over his winning the election?

What we are seeing is a continuation of the total "padded" coverage about Obama, by the MSM. And this will go on and on in the months to follow. Problems with his administration will be minimized, and his accomplishments (real or imagined) will be "job one" on a daily and weekly basis.

I've noticed that many Obama supporters have not been able to yet separate themselves from their various Obama paraphernalia... tee shirts, buttons and hats. I can understand that a bumper sticker is a bit difficult to remove, but my goodness, at least take off the tee shirt long enough to wash the stink out of it.

We are seeing the beginnings of America's first political personality cult. It is the perfect storm of American Idol aspirations combined with MTV "quick cut" reportage and mass media's ability to address a eager and willing consumer market right down to the very core of our cell phones.

Walter L. Newton in Golden, Co.

776 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:36am

re: #774 callahan23

And all this on the anniversary of the infamous Kristallnacht?

/facepalm.

//posted a related spinoff link.

777 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:17am

re: #773 galloping granny

I am sorely afraid that blood is going to run in our streets long before this is over.

I'm more afraid that we're going to give in without a fight.

778 wahabicorridor  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:33am

re: #771 Bumr50

Plus the term "political terrorism" would perhaps resonate better with those yet to understand the tactics of the left.

Probably not. The term 'terrorism' is in danger of being diminished in value simply by overuse.

Want to read a true horror story? Go find "The Forsaken". It's a book about Americans that thought they were heading for Utopia when they left the U.S. for the USSR during the depression. Thousands and thousands ended up in the gulag.

Off for breakfast and the morning rags. Later.

779 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:08am

re: #777 Tigger2005

In the name of "ending partisan bickering."

780 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:45am

re: #778 wahabicorridor

Toodleoo.

781 callahan23  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:56:45am

re: #776 laZardo

And all this on the anniversary of the infamous Kristallnacht?

/facepalm.

//posted a related spinoff link.

Well the story broke some weeks ago in Germany but the article by Pajamas Media was posted today.
But you are right. It's eerie.

782 The Other Les  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:57:03am

re: #780 Bumr50

Toodleoo.

Adieu.

783 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:09am

re: #775 Walter L. Newton

We are seeing the beginnings of America's first political personality cult. It is the perfect storm of American Idol aspirations combined with MTV "quick cut" reportage and mass media's ability to address a eager and willing consumer market right down to the very core of our cell phones.

Walter L. Newton in Golden, Co.

Actually, we saw the beginnings a year or two ago. We saw the beginnings when we viewed that clip of the boys in the ObamaYouth group pledging allegiance to Obama. Let me name a few other people who have held power because of a personality cult -

Hitler
Mao
Pol Pot

and for good measure, just so the list is not entirely political -

Charles Manson
David Koresh
Jim Jones

I cannot think of a single good that has ever come from a personality cult.

784 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:35am

re: #782 The Other Les

Claypool? Nessman? Moonves?

785 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:50am

re: #777 Tigger2005

I'm more afraid that we're going to give in without a fight.

Not all of us will give in without a fight.

786 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:02am

re: #785 galloping granny

Not all of us will give in without a fight.

I hope it's enough of us.

787 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:42am

re: #785 galloping granny

I know that I for one plan on being VERY unpopular in some circles and situations.
I will not be intimidated into keeping my perspective silent.
I'm stubborn German-Irish bastard like that.

788 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:48am

re: #772 Tigger2005

Friend I was chatting with last night hates Obama, but he said, "I'm not worrying about it anymore, time to move on" and "Nothing you can do about it now."

And I see it just the opposite way. My kids and I were discussing this at dinner last night. Little Winger said to me, "Mom - for the next four years this is our purpose - to remain ever vigilant and spread the cause of freedom. I'll fight overseas, you fight here at home."

789 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:03:32am

Today we are all soldiers.

790 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:03:33am

re: #788 mama winger

And I see it just the opposite way. My kids and I were discussing this at dinner last night. Little Winger said to me, "Mom - for the next four years this is our purpose - to remain ever vigilant and spread the cause of freedom. I'll fight overseas, you fight here at home."

You're back. I've missed you. How's little?

791 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:04:50am

I'm just looking at this book to fetch home from Amazon -

Hitler Youth: Growing Up in Hitler's Shadow

Some of you might want to consider it for the kiddos you know.

792 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:41am

re: #790 galloping granny

You're back. I've missed you. How's little?

Hey dere, granny! Nice to see ya !

He is getting ready for his next deployment in January. We are having our first Deployment Families get-together on Wednesday. Starting to gat all the paperwork in order and such. He will be back in Iraq sooner than I'd like to think - but he can't wait, of course. :)

Kids ......

:)

793 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:51am

re: #786 Tigger2005

re: #785 galloping granny

For some reason I'm reminded of this recently-released video game.

The alien species that the player fights use a special virus that transforms infected enemies into their own kind. The main character is himself infected, however his body is temporarily resistant after being "inoculated" during an experimental government program that took place prior to the first game in the series. That does not mean he is completely immune.

794 caliredst8r  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:07:07am

Had a run-in with an Obamabot the other day at Costco. She was working one of those sample tables and asked us if we had voted. I answered in the affirmative and she asked if we had voted for THE ONE. I laughed a bit and said no, my wife said she wasn't a citizen and couldn't vote yet. This woman had a glazed, vacant expression on her face as she went on and on about how he was going to change things, how things were going to be wonderful now. She didn't look at us as she was saying this, she was looking at a point over my shoulder like she could see this brilliant, perfect, future utopia. My wife tried to explain to her about growing up in the USSR and how pretty much everything Obama was spewing was essentially just old platitudes translated out of it's original Sovietese. This woman was entirely clueless, she didn't just drink the kool-aid, she apparently was baptized in it and had a kool-aid IV for good measure. Scary stuff!

795 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:56am

re: #788 mama winger

And I see it just the opposite way. My kids and I were discussing this at dinner last night. Little Winger said to me, "Mom - for the next four years this is our purpose - to remain ever vigilant and spread the cause of freedom. I'll fight overseas, you fight here at home."

Inspirational.

While my family all leans Republican and I'm pretty sure none of them voted Obama, some of them are the types who just don't care about politics and don't think it really affects them. Chatting with my niece the other night, she asked "What do you have against Obama anyway?" Now, her husband was for McCain and she wouldn't have voted for Obama (they couldn't vote because they hadn't registered yet since they moved), but she didn't really know anything about him. And even though she listened to what I had to say and I think I might have gotten her thinking about it a little, I'm sure one thing and another is going to chase it out of her mind sooner or later.

796 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:56am

re: #794 caliredst8r

Your wife's post the other day meant so much to me. I have sent it to many of my friends and family..... Please tell her how valuable her post was to so many of us.

797 Bumr50  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:10:38am

re: #794 caliredst8r

That's scary.

It's all the more scary knowing that almost everyone has computer access yet they STILL refuse to look at history.

It is arrogance combined with ignorance.

798 akak  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:11:01am

They wanna convert 401k to Social Security managed?

/gotta go clean my gun

799 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:11:47am

Good morning, Lizards. I'm going to post the Prayer List in a few minutes--any updates?

800 caliredst8r  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:11:50am

re: #796 mama winger

Thank you very much, I'll tell her. And thanks to everyone else too, she was very moved by everyone's kind comments. She could fill pages about her experiences and how similar they are to things Obama is proposing and saying.

801 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:28am

re: #795 Tigger2005

There are too many Americans who take freedom too casually. We will have to pick up the slack for them. Sad, but true.

Conservatives just have not done a good enough job educating people to the dangers of liberalism and fascism. We have to come up with a way to combat the crap that is being shoved down our throats by those in our educational institutions and by the media. I don't exactly know how we do that though.

802 laZardo  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:13:02am

re: #799 goddessoftheclassroom

This is gonna sound egotistical coming from me...

Pray I don't get converted.

/if you know what I mean.

803 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:13:47am

re: #794 caliredst8r

Had a run-in with an Obamabot the other day at Costco. She was working one of those sample tables and asked us if we had voted. I answered in the affirmative and she asked if we had voted for THE ONE. I laughed a bit and said no, my wife said she wasn't a citizen and couldn't vote yet. This woman had a glazed, vacant expression on her face as she went on and on about how he was going to change things, how things were going to be wonderful now. She didn't look at us as she was saying this, she was looking at a point over my shoulder like she could see this brilliant, perfect, future utopia. My wife tried to explain to her about growing up in the USSR and how pretty much everything Obama was spewing was essentially just old platitudes translated out of it's original Sovietese. This woman was entirely clueless, she didn't just drink the kool-aid, she apparently was baptized in it and had a kool-aid IV for good measure. Scary stuff!

That is scary. Moreso because she was doing that at work. I would have complained to the store manager.

804 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:00am

re: #799 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards. I'm going to post the Prayer List in a few minutes--any updates?

Goddess - my stepbrother committed suicide the day after the election. This has been very hard on our family, but especially my stepfather who is elderly and has a bad heart. Could you add my stepfather to your list?

Thanks sweetie.

805 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:16am

Should have told her you were sorry her life had been so miserable up to now, and asked her why she didn't move to some other country that was more to her liking a long time ago.

re: #794 caliredst8r

Had a run-in with an Obamabot the other day at Costco. She was working one of those sample tables and asked us if we had voted. I answered in the affirmative and she asked if we had voted for THE ONE. I laughed a bit and said no, my wife said she wasn't a citizen and couldn't vote yet. This woman had a glazed, vacant expression on her face as she went on and on about how he was going to change things, how things were going to be wonderful now. She didn't look at us as she was saying this, she was looking at a point over my shoulder like she could see this brilliant, perfect, future utopia. My wife tried to explain to her about growing up in the USSR and how pretty much everything Obama was spewing was essentially just old platitudes translated out of it's original Sovietese. This woman was entirely clueless, she didn't just drink the kool-aid, she apparently was baptized in it and had a kool-aid IV for good measure. Scary stuff!

806 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:48am

re: #800 caliredst8r

She could fill pages about her experiences and how similar they are to things Obama is proposing and saying.

She