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1 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:38:53pm

NO PHONE NUMBERS!
/

2 uncle_monkey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:39:47pm

addresses and place of work are okay

3 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:40:12pm

aqui se puede hablar de huevos

4 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:40:32pm

re: #1 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What about complex stings of binary?

5 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:40:49pm

Hold on to your wallets. I think they'll still be trying:
[Link: thelibertyzone.com...]

6 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:41:32pm

I'm going to Alabama
With a laptop on my knee.

7 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:41:42pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

What about complex stings of binary?

Ouch ouch

8 arethusa  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:41:46pm

You know that anti-Bush bumper sticker: "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot"?

I propose a new one for the Obama administration: "Somewhere in Chicago, a neighborhood is missing its community organizer."
/

9 BaseballMom57  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:42:33pm

re: #5 Van Helsing

OMG - the writer used the "c" word. And I'm not talking about Communism...

10 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:42:47pm

re: #8 arethusa

You know that anti-Bush bumper sticker: "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot"?

I propose a new one for the Obama administration: "Somewhere in Chicago, a neighborhood is missing its community organizer."
/

Nice. nuanced, however.

11 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:43:04pm

Suggested music for 0bama Day:

Der 0bama's Face
0bama Christ Superstar

Any other suggestions?

12 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:43:31pm

re: #9 BaseballMom57

OMG - the writer used the "c" word. And I'm not talking about Communism...

Yeah, sorry about not warning. If you read the source doc referred to, it's almost understandable.

13 BBev  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:43:58pm

re: #8 arethusa

You know that anti-Bush bumper sticker: "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot"?

I propose a new one for the Obama administration: "Somewhere in Chicago, a neighborhood is missing its community organizer."
/

I'm keep my George Bush sticker on my car till his last day.

14 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:45:12pm

You know, even if I wanted some Viagra, do these spam guys really think I'm going to buy it from them as they steal my credit card number?

WTF, spam should have killed itself out of the market. It must be that there are dumbasses that respond to Spam mailings. What must it be, .00001 percent?

Ugghhh, Spam. Seems like that's all the mail I get.

15 Rides a Pale Horse  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:45:23pm

Well, since I was way late on the last thread, I thought I'd post this one here.

For all those who are curious about the new currency, I give you
Obamabucks

16 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:45:28pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

What about complex stings of binary?

How about hex?

17 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:45:39pm

re: #13 BBev

I'm keep my George Bush sticker on my car till his last day.

I've got a W-04 sticker in reserve...

18 big L  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:45:48pm

Better and open thread than an open fly...
/heh.

19 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:46:24pm

re: #16 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How about hex?

Octal was the scariest for me.

20 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:46:45pm

re: #13 BBev

I'm keep my George Bush sticker on my car till his last day.

How are you going to remove it? WD-43?

21 arethusa  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:46:55pm

re: #13 BBev

I'm keep my George Bush sticker on my car till his last day.

Why not replace it with this?

It says: "Thank You George Bush for Seven Safe Years (Screw You, Mainstream Media)"

22 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:47:04pm

re: #16 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm not sure whether you saw this the other day...

MWAH!

23 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:48:13pm

re: #16 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How about hex?

Only DEAD people understand hexadecimal.

re: #19 Van Helsing

Octal was the scariest for me.

Yep. With that, you can't tell the difference between Halloween and Christmas! (Dec 25=Oct 31).

24 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:14pm

The courts will be busy.

A Resident Evil 5 producer protests racism charges against the unreleased game.» Anger over African zombies

25 jemima  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:41pm

#15

Good job!

At this point, let him have his vapid mug (shot) on currency. Give him the damn national holiday. All the better to mock him with. He's a bottomless pit of need. No matter how much adoration is given to him, it will never be enough. But there will come a time when his followers, all but the most deluded, will cease to revere him. And that's when the real implosion will occur.

26 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:47pm

everyone,
grow a little garden this spring. even if you just dig up a 12x12 ft. piece of ground in the back or side yard. it could come in handy and the beauty of plants coming up from the dirt is very uplifting to the heart and mind.
just suggesting this because it is a wonderful activity for the family and will put a lot more food on the table than you can believe. you can get so much from a small garden.
:)

27 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:48pm

re: #24 ciaospirit

The courts will be busy.

He's just being diverse.

28 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:49:49pm

re: #22 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm not sure whether you saw this the other day...

MWAH!

Yes I did!
Do you think I'm THIS?
MWAH!

29 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:50:06pm

re: #3 imploder

Here we can speak of eggs?

30 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:50:37pm

re: #3 imploder

aqui se puede hablar de huevos

We can talk about eggs here?

/que?

31 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:51:22pm
32 jemima  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:51:35pm

#25

Fine. Make it white zombies.

All the better to mock them with. Their stupidity knows no bounds.

33 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:51:37pm

Well. Well.

BEIJING – China announced a $586 billion stimulus package Sunday in its biggest move to stop the global financial crisis from hitting the world's fourth-largest economy.

A statement on the government's Web site said China's Cabinet had approved a plan to invest the amount in infrastructure and social welfare by the end of 2010.

Some of the money will come from the private sector. The statement did not say how much of the spending is on new projects and how much is for ventures already in the pipeline that will be speeded up.

China's export-driven economy is starting to feel the impact of the economic slowdown in the United States and Europe, and the government has already cut key interest rates three times in less than two months in a bid to spur economic expansion.

34 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:52:02pm

re: #5 Van Helsing

Hold on to your wallets. I think they'll still be trying:
[Link: thelibertyzone.com...]

We already have an agency that works like that. It's called the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

How's that been working out?

35 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:52:20pm

Philly mayor cuts subsidy for Mummers Parade.

Best decision a Philly mayor has ever made!

36 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:52:30pm

re: #29 Noam Sayin'

Here we can speak of eggs?

Sorry, last thread remnant. We were joking about the word egg in other languages.

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:52:53pm

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Just testing phone number nuking code...

[no phone numbers allowed]

38 jemima  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:52:54pm

Zombies from the Upper West Side of Manhattan. That's close enough to the truth.

39 opnion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:02pm

I really do not see much of Chris Matthews, he is tough to take.
I did however catch the beginnig of this morning's program on NBC.
Matthews introduced the subject of BHO using such glowing terms that it was actually creepy. The hero worship sounded very juvinile.

40 Wilderstad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:07pm

re: #5 Van Helsing

Hold on to your wallets. I think they'll still be trying:
[Link: thelibertyzone.com...]

Oh this lady is spitting mad! As she and you all should be.
Quote: "You voted for this, you noxious, thieving ignorami. You voted for power-hungry, authoritarian swine who will take away what you earn, who will stomp out achievement and take away incentives for hard work. You put them in power - those who will destroy your successes and reward failure with the resources you create. "

41 BBev  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:10pm

re: #21 arethusa

Why not replace it with this?

It says: "Thank You George Bush for Seven Safe Years (Screw You, Mainstream Media)"

I'm not going to put anything back on the Monti, it stays in the garage most of the time but my truck is another thing

42 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:29pm

re: #28 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The dog must have dared him...

43 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:32pm

re: #36 imploder

Sorry, last thread remnant. We were joking about the word egg in other languages.

In Thai - it's Kai. Easy to confuse with "chicken", which is Gai.

44 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:53:57pm

Ah, that's better. It ignores numbers without area codes, because those aren't the real problem. It should catch 99% of the posted numbers.

45 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:54:13pm

whats on the menue for a lazy sunday?
here at casa del rain there is a HUGE pot of scratch made chicken and dumplins (on my 2nd bowl) man this is good :)

46 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:54:28pm

re: #14 imploder

You know, even if I wanted some Viagra, do these spam guys really think I'm going to buy it from them as they steal my credit card number?

WTF, spam should have killed itself out of the market. It must be that there are dumbasses that respond to Spam mailings. What must it be, .00001 percent?

Ugghhh, Spam. Seems like that's all the mail I get.

I don't think it is so much that idiots respond to it as that idiots pay to have it sent. And they pay very well. Back when I was running big websites a single valid email address was worth $10 or more. I refused to sell them but many a website did - and does.

47 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:54:38pm

re: #35 Wyatt Earp

Philly mayor cuts subsidy for Mummers Parade.

Best decision a Philly mayor has ever made!

Okay, I'm not from Philly. Never been to Philly. I looked at the picture. What the hell is that?

48 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:54:46pm

re: #44 Charles

Ah, that's better. It ignores numbers without area codes, because those aren't the real problem. It should catch 99% of the posted numbers.

So we can post Jenny's number again?

867-5309

49 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:55:11pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

Hooray!

50 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:55:13pm

re: #45 rain of lead

whats on the menue for a lazy sunday?
here at casa del rain there is a HUGE pot of scratch made chicken and dumplins (on my 2nd bowl) man this is good :)

I'm sobbing - I had a pet chicken named Scratch.

51 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:55:25pm

re: #43 Intrepid

In Thai - it's Kai. Easy to confuse with "chicken", which is Gai.

In Spanish, it is juevo, which is easy to confuse with juevo, which means "balls." It all depends on how you say it.

In German, to say "ei" means egg, but add the number two and watch the locals laugh, "zwei Ei."

52 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:55:44pm

re: #50 debutaunt

LMAO!

53 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:55:45pm

re: #47 capitalist piglet

Okay, I'm not from Philly. Never been to Philly. I looked at the picture. What the hell is that?

Mummers. It's like a bunch of cross-dressing string bands masquerading as an excuse for Philly residents to get drunk and violent.

As if the people in my town need another reason . . .

54 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:56:09pm

re: #50 debutaunt

I'm sobbing - I had a pet chicken named Scratch.

and he's yummy

55 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:56:32pm

re: #42 goddessoftheclassroom

The dog must have dared him...

Same dog

56 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:56:41pm

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers

Defense Minister Ehud Barak urged the cabinet on Sunday to consider discussing in its next session the use of counter fire in response to the Qassam rockets being launched at the Negev from the Gaza Strip.

Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

57 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:57:06pm

re: #54 rain of lead

and he's yummy

Woot! Just noticed your avatar. 9-0!

58 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:57:22pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers


Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

Is this the, "well, shoot back" moment, like in Blackhawk Down?

59 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:58:01pm

Relaxing on the patio with Bach, autumn leaves, and a post-ride Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

(And I don't think the world is necessarily running down... not for good, anyway.)

60 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:58:23pm

re: #57 Intrepid

Woot! Just noticed your avatar. 9-0!

yep- plane jane blue coller team just goes out and wins games

61 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:58:41pm

re: #50 debutaunt

I'm sobbing - I had a pet chicken named Scratch.

I have a CAT named Scratch!

/now when did I last see him?

62 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:58:57pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers

Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

It's like a fucking Monty Python skit. It would be hilarious, if a nation's survival weren't on the line.

63 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:59:25pm

re: #61 goddessoftheclassroom

I have a CAT named Scratch!

/now when did I last see him?

That darn Marine Brat lured him away!

64 opnion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 1:59:29pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers


Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

Genius! Obama of course will disapprove of fireing back when negotiations are so much more cool.

65 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:05pm

re: #63 debutaunt

That darn Marine Brat lured him away!

Now I'M sobbing! (with laughter!)

66 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:20pm

re: #61 goddessoftheclassroom

I have a CAT named Scratch!

/now when did I last see him?

no cats were used in the making of this lunch although one was allowed to lick the bowl

67 Opilio  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:31pm

re: #23 gmsc

Only DEAD people understand hexadecimal.

We used to fill unused memory with DEADBEEF. Not quite as catchy as CAFEBABE but it served our purposes.

68 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:45pm

Hooray for regular expressions! No more worries about phone numbers! I'm free! Free at last!

[no phone numbers allowed]

[no phone numbers allowed]

69 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:00:45pm

re: #51 imploder

In Spanish, it is juevo, which is easy to confuse with juevo, which means "balls." It all depends on how you say it.

Huevo, not juevo. And, well, "it's easy to confuse with" the slang term for "balls" because... it's the same word.

70 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:09pm

re: #64 opnion

Genius! Obama of course will disapprove of fireing back when negotiations are so much more cool.

I think Israel will be forced into taking a unilateral stance at defending themselves with Obama at the helm. He's lost no love for them.

It's going to get gritty.

71 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:14pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers

Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

And there's this bit of stupidity at the end of the article:

It is not clear why Barak chose to raise the subject of counter fire during that debate, considering that such a move would be in violation of the five-month old cease-fire.

IIRC, anti-mortar radar's been around for a while.

72 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:15pm

re: #67 Opilio

We used to fill unused memory with DEADBEEF. Not quite as catchy as CAFEBABE but it served our purposes.

I always liked ABADBABE.

73 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:36pm

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Huevo, not juevo. And, well, "it's easy to confuse with" the slang term for "balls" because... it's the same word.

I stand corrected, like always!

74 arethusa  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:46pm

re: #64 opnion

Genius! Obama of course will disapprove of fireing back when negotiations are so much more cool.

Probably not, but I think this Barak is the Israeli minister Ehud Barak. (I was very confused at first.)

75 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:47pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers

Defense Minister Ehud Barak urged the cabinet on Sunday to consider discussing in its next session the use of counter fire in response to the Qassam rockets being launched at the Negev from the Gaza Strip.

Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

Since the Palis intentionally launch from civilian areas, any counter fire will almost certainly result in "innocent civilian causalties" and another round of international condemnation.

So yeah, the political implications need to be discussed.

76 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:51pm
77 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:01:57pm

re: #60 rain of lead

yep- plane jane blue coller team just goes out and wins games

I'm still mystified about how we won - less than 50 total rushing yards?

That's alright - I'll take a win any way we can get one.

78 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:02:04pm

re: #61 goddessoftheclassroom

I have a CAT named Scratch!

/now when did I last see him?

heh heh heh heh heh heh

79 opnion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:02:20pm

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Huevo, not juevo. And, well, "it's easy to confuse with" the slang term for "balls" because... it's the same word.

Ok, doesn't huevos mean eggs & cajones mean balls?

80 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:02:32pm

re: #33 ciaospirit

BEIJING – China announced a $586 billion stimulus package

That sounds subliminally anti-Intel.

81 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:03:05pm

re: #61 goddessoftheclassroom

I have a CAT named Scratch!

/now when did I last see him?

I have a fever named Catscratch...

/heh

82 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:03:13pm

re: #63 debutaunt

That darn Marine Brat lured him away!

(-:

*urp*

83 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:04pm

re: #79 opnion

Ok, doesn't huevos mean eggs & cajones mean balls?

Huevos means eggs, literally, and testicles, in slang. Cojones mean testicles only, AFAIK.

84 opnion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:12pm

re: #70 imploder

I think Israel will be forced into taking a unilateral stance at defending themselves with Obama at the helm. He's lost no love for them.

It's going to get gritty.

Obama does not like Israel & he sure tolerated an anti-Semitic preacher for 20 years, but hey, let's plan to reelect him.

85 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:17pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And there's this bit of stupidity at the end of the article:
It is not clear why Barak chose to raise the subject of counter fire during that debate, considering that such a move would be in violation of the five-month old cease-fire.

Great heaps of irony there. Beyond stupid.

86 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:27pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IIRC, anti-mortar radar's been around for a while.

/let 'em eat a few simultaneous feedback 155 rounds and I bet they stop

87 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:31pm

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Huevo, not juevo. And, well, "it's easy to confuse with" the slang term for "balls" because... it's the same word.

Bueno pero te digo que depende en la cirucunstancia in que quieres usarlo, si preguntas si alguien tiene huevos, eso quiere decier si uno se comporta con el machismo que viene con un par...el otro escenario es preguntar si "hay" huevos, (el verbo haber), esto simplemente es un interrogativo sobre la existencia de huevos en la localidad...

88 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:04:36pm

re: #77 Intrepid

I'm still mystified about how we won - less than 50 total rushing yards?

That's alright - I'll take a win any way we can get one.

we won be scoreing more than the other team -duh :)
keep going Titans

89 galloping granny  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:02pm

re: #75 Spiny Norman

Since the Palis intentionally launch from civilian areas, any counter fire will almost certainly result in "innocent civilian causalties" and another round of international condemnation.

So yeah, the political implications need to be discussed.

What political implications? No matter what they do, it is all the fault of the JOOS. Including deaths the Palis inflict on themselves.

90 opnion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:16pm

re: #83 Occasional Reader

Huevos means eggs, literally, and testicles, in slang. Cojones mean testicles only, AFAIK.


Ah hah, now I get it!

91 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:34pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers


Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

I think they should counter battery with MOABs, I'm sure that would get their attention. Two for every Qassam, one on the launcer, and one on Damascus or Teran.

92 Rancher  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:42pm

re: #1 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

NO PHONE NUMBERS!
/

867-5309

93 Shay4l  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:05:59pm

re: #43 Intrepid

In Thai - it's Kai. Easy to confuse with "chicken", which is Gai.

Which came first, the Thai Kai or Gai?

94 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:06:21pm

re: #8 arethusa

You know that anti-Bush bumper sticker: "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot"?

I propose a new one for the Obama administration: "Somewhere in Chicago, a neighborhood is missing its community organizer."
/

"The People's Cube" (website) is way ahead of you. They've had a banner "Somewhere in Chicago, a community is missing its organizer" up for weeks.

95 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:07:26pm

re: #75 Spiny Norman

Since the Palis intentionally launch from civilian areas, any counter fire will almost certainly result in "innocent civilian causalties" and another round of international condemnation.

So yeah, the political implications need to be discussed.

As opposed to launching retaliatory ground raids into Gaza?

/target the actual shooters a few times and the civilians will know to keep a distance

96 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:08:02pm

re: #70 imploder

I think Israel will be forced into taking a unilateral stance at defending themselves with Obama at the helm.

You know what... I almost wonder whether that might not actually be GOOD for Israel.
Stop letting Washington play with this carrot n' stick bullshit. Do what needs to be done.

97 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:09:17pm
98 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:09:20pm

re: #44 Charles

Ah, that's better. It ignores numbers without area codes, because those aren't the real problem. It should catch 99% of the posted numbers.

What if I split it across two lines, like this?

1-800-
555-5555

99 mikeymom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:09:31pm

hi all--back from cancun and they gave me a great job at the resort--quality control expert at all the bars! t'was lovely! but on the downside - got news on second day my sis had another stroke-is doing so-so- right now i dont to go to ga (from co) but shes not out of the woods yet, and if things turn to shit (my bro-in-law words) i may have to go to help. prayers still needed dear lizards. then we also got news my hubbys aunt passed away-sbut she was 89 and went very quickly and easy. an emotional roller coaster of a week to be sure. glad to be back.

100 shanec99  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #81 Intrepid

I have a fever named Catscratch...

/heh


Go see the Doctor soon, that could be a killer

101 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:03pm

re: #96 Occasional Reader

You know what... I almost wonder whether that might not actually be GOOD for Israel.
Stop letting Washington play with this carrot n' stick bullshit. Do what needs to be done.

You might be right. I worry for their dearth or resources, however.

102 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:17pm

pimf: of

103 Shay4l  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:51pm

re: #96 Occasional Reader

You know what... I almost wonder whether that might not actually be GOOD for Israel.
Stop letting Washington play with this carrot n' stick bullshit. Do what needs to be done.

I think Israel's on their own with Hamas, Hezbollah and Maybe even Syria. However, I think something's up with Iran that Israel is not going to be a part of, at least overtly.

104 Opilio  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:10:54pm

re: #72 Charles

I always liked ABADBABE.

Then again, who doesn't?

105 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:11:36pm

re: #103 Shay4l

I think Israel's on their own with Hamas, Hezbollah and Maybe even Syria. However, I think something's up with Iran that Israel is not going to be a part of, at least overtly.

I would consider going to Israel and signing up for the IDF. I'm old but I'm good.

106 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:11:42pm

re: #93 Shay4l

Which came first, the Thai Kai or Gai?

If hottie (and reportedly bisexual) actress Bai Ling shops at a Thai market, Variety could carry the headline "BI BAI BUYS THAI KAI N' GAI".

107 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:11:57pm

I have tried to bring myself to resolve in almost a week after the election of B. Hussein Obama, but I just can't do it. At least, I can for our nation, since our nation is strong and resilient and can resist certain forces and agents of "change" a lot better then other countries. My heartache is not for us, but for Israel and her people. I am sick to my stomach to think of what they have to do to survive the next four years with their strongest ally under the reigns of Obama. Just think of Iran, hamas, hizbollah, Syria, and even Egypt. I am also afraid that Saudi, one of the islamic nations that has reduced its funds toward terrorists hell bent on the destruction of Israel, won't have the incentives of a strong oil market and a strong American economy to keep them from focusing on making money rather than destroying the Zionist evil from the middle east.

Pray and pray hard, even if you are an atheist!

108 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:31pm

re: #98 NomadOfNorad

What if I split it across two lines...?

There's always a way. I guess Charles' code will catch the ordinary, so it's probably "enough".

109 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:54pm

ok going for another bowl of chick-an-dumplins
heck with it
I'm getting the whole pot and a hand trowel ;)

110 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:12:55pm

re: #97 Iron Fist

Hey, man! I'm relaxing to Bush. That's kinda like Bach, only spelled differently. Me, I'm watching it all circle the drain. Had to happen sometime, I guess.

We will survive. Hey, hey.

111 Rancher  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:13:41pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers


Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

They can't fire back, that would violate the cease fire!

112 Shay4l  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:13:50pm

re: #106 Occasional Reader

If hottie (and reportedly bisexual) actress Bai Ling shops at a Thai market, Variety could carry the headline "BI BAI BUYS THAI KAI N' GAI".

I bow to the the master

113 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:14:09pm

"Look at him, a rhinestone in the rough."
- Dorothy Parker

It's like she anticipated Obama.

114 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:14:45pm

re: #98 NomadOfNorad

What if I split it across two lines, like this?

1-800-
555-5555

Oh, you can find ways around it without trying too hard. But the point is to stop people from posting phone numbers they cut and paste from somewhere, or type in themselves. It will work fine for that, and catch the vast majority of the problem comments.

115 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:25pm

Farrakhan says Obama 'new beginning'

Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said God's divine plan for the world is why President-elect Barack Obama won the election, and that God will make sure Obama has the vision needed to guide the country through current economic and social woes.

Speaking Sunday at Mosque Maryam, the movement's headquarters, Farrakhan gave a speech titled "America's New Beginning: President-elect Barack Obama" and warned the packed audience that having a black president will not mean the end of racial inequity in the U.S.

/are there any truly evil people on this planet that aren't giddy over Obama's victory?

116 eon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:30pm

re: #56 Killian Bundy

Barak: Israel should consider firing back at Qassam launchers

Defense Minister Ehud Barak urged the cabinet on Sunday to consider discussing in its next session the use of counter fire in response to the Qassam rockets being launched at the Negev from the Gaza strip.

Wow, what a novel idea, I don't think counter battery fire has ever been used before in the history of warfare.

/and I'm sure no one's thought of using radar to catch the shooters in place

Wow, he "urged the cabinet to consider discussing (it) in its next session."

How very...Dilbert's Pointy-Haired Boss... of him.

Even allowing for concerns about collateral damage and agitprop from the PA, PLO, Hamas, MSM, etc., this is "analysis paralysis" taken to the extreme.

Meanwhile, the rockets keep coming.

Forget Scott Adams' dictum about actions that are "at one remove" from actual business (in The Dilbert Principle). Ehud Barak is sufficiently "removed" from making an actual decision that he may as well be on another planet. If he can't make a decision like this, he's no business as Defense Minister.

If the chain of command is structured such that as DM he can't make such a decision when the Israeli people are under direct attack, then his position must be completely without actual power. In which case, both it and he are unnecessary.

Israel needs a new Cabinet, and apparently a new Prime Minister, and they need them now.

cheers

eon

117 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:31pm

Plus -- if someone gets that message ('no phone numbers allowed'), and then tries to find a way to post it anyway, that will tell me they don't really value their LGF account and it should probably be taken away from them.

118 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:16:38pm

re: #111 Rancher
From the article:

Defense Minister Ehud Barak called on the government on Sunday to examine ways of approving IDF action against residential areas in Gaza from which rockets are fired at Israel.

Speaking during the weekly cabinet meeting, Barak said many rockets were fired from the vicinity of residential homes and schools, precluding an Israeli response due to fear of harming civilians.

Even when they are defending themselves, they think of the innocent. Something that is not reciprocated from the other side.

*spit*

119 arethusa  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:17:24pm

re: #94 Occasional Reader

"The People's Cube" (website) is way ahead of you. They've had a banner "Somewhere in Chicago, a community is missing its organizer" up for weeks.

Excellent! It's now also a bumper sticker on cafepress, apparently.

120 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:17:42pm

re: #113 debutaunt

"Look at him, a rhinestone in the rough."
- Dorothy Parker

It's like she anticipated Obama.

I quote Parker all the time. Quite often, when I return to my office from a lengthy meeting, and the Voicemail Lady cheerfully informs me "You have... twelve... new messages!", I mutter, "what fresh hell is this?".

121 slartybartfast  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:17:55pm

Drive-by posting (sorry).

Hearkening back to the previous thread, Plans Under Way for 'Obama Day', is that not the "soft bigotry of low expectations" taken to a new extreme? Is our President-elect so inept, so unqualified that the very act of being elected is to be celebrated with a national holiday? This isn't the Special Olympics!

Or, is it because of racism?

It seems that we live in a society where one group can't get past Barack Obama's race. Yet the other group of Americans--who sees a young, unqualified, i.e. "green" (not black!), liberal--is called racist!

Maybe Mayor Dinkins was right.

And, I hear that the postal service is printing a commemorative stamp with Obama's resume on it--what more do they want?

122 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:18:28pm

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Ugh!

123 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:18:44pm

re: #11 gmsc

Suggested music for 0bama Day:

Der 0bama's Face
0bama Christ Superstar

Any other suggestions?

124 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:19:33pm

re: #121 slartybartfast

And, I hear that the postal service is printing a commemorative stamp with Obama's resume on it--what more do they want?

Now THAT was funny!

125 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:20:20pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Farrakhan says Obama 'new beginning'

/are there any truly evil people on this planet that aren't giddy over Obama's victory?

As far as I know, flesh-eating bacteria have yet to give an explicit endorsement. But I think that about exhausts the list.

126 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:20:29pm

re: #114 Charles

Oh, you can find ways around it without trying too hard. But the point is to stop people from posting phone numbers they cut and paste from somewhere, or type in themselves. It will work fine for that, and catch the vast majority of the problem comments.

Yup. Still, just in case, I deliberately selected a totally un-dialable number. One of those numbers they give in movies and TV shows so that no one actually CAN dial it.

I suppose you COULD set the excluder to ignore numbers on the 555 exchange... just for good measure (Not wanna mess up someone's satire post, after all...) but it's probably not that big a deal.

127 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:22:09pm

re: #121 slartybartfast

And, I hear that the postal service is printing a commemorative stamp with Obama's resume on it--what more do they want?

I am SO stealing that.

128 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:22:23pm

re: #114 Charles

Oh, you can find ways around it without trying too hard. But the point is to stop people from posting phone numbers they cut and paste from somewhere, or type in themselves. It will work fine for that, and catch the vast majority of the problem comments.

Just curious as to why the ban on phone numbers here. In some cases it might be a good thing such as when people are posting the number to a congress critter, or some entity worth of a call to protest. Same for e-mail.
another example is one I some times post which is the rejection hot line number, always good for a laugh.
Not protesting, just asking.

129 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:22:30pm

with my tongue only slightly in cheek, how long do you think it will be before Dear Leader is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? don't laugh, I think it will be sooner than you might think. it's inevitable thats for sure.

130 Intrepid  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:22:50pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

As far as I know, flesh-eating bacteria have yet to give an explicit endorsement. But I think that about exhausts the list.

That's because it's Necrotising fascist-itis...

131 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:07pm

Here's what's wating the in the wings for us vis-a-vis Nuclear Power.

Germany has said they will mothball the remaining 17 of their reactors by 2020. That's a short time away, and with the cap and trade on coal and the like, and the subsidies on renewables, the writing is on the wall, they won't make it there. You can't run an economy like that of Germany on sun and wind power, as of this date, they only provide five percent of the energy used by the country. What are the other carbon neutral alternatives.

I sense the government is painted into a corner. In the meantime, the police will have to deal with this stuff.

132 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:07pm

In response to the "Yes We Can" Moonbats organizing a national "Obama Day" at McDonalds, I'm proposing a counter-movement, "No We Won't", right here, right now.

Will you please join me?

133 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:09pm

re: #117 Charles

Plus -- if someone gets that message ('no phone numbers allowed'), and then tries to find a way to post it anyway, that will tell me they don't really value their LGF account and it should probably be taken away from them.

Or you could put them in a time-out room for a day. "You cannot post again for 24 hours because of your misbehavior! Have a nice day!" :D

(Woot.com does something similar to it's trouble-makers...)
(Mind you, they don't delete users, since they'd also be deleting potential sales that way...)

134 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:25pm

If someone here at LGF is stupid enough to ignore the rules, circumvent the admin, and publicly post their phone number on a site that receives thousands upon thousands of hits every day (some of them from very questionable sources)...

I say they deserve exactly what they have coming to them.

135 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:24:33pm

re: #106 Occasional Reader

If hottie (and reportedly bisexual) actress Bai Ling shops at a Thai market, Variety could carry the headline "BI BAI BUYS THAI KAI N' GAI".

Note to self: Do not look at pics of hotties while lightly dressed if playful kittens are present.
-OUCH-

136 eon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:06pm

re: #129 alien_mind

with my tongue only slightly in cheek, how long do you think it will be before Dear Leader is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? don't laugh, I think it will be sooner than you might think. it's inevitable thats for sure.

Since the Peace Prize is handed out routinely as an award for flipping off the United States, I'm surprised he wasn't given one during the campaign.

cheers
eon

137 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:19pm

Haar mates! Greetings from station "M' from Bellamags, Noam Chumpski, Doppelganglander and 'meself LoFlyer! We are just talking things over and having a good time!

138 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:36pm

re: #124 Van Helsing

And, I hear that the postal service is printing a commemorative stamp with Obama's resume on it--what more do they want?

For starters, our money and our children as Obama's little community organizers - or else.

139 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:43pm

re: #132 Daisy

In response to the "Yes We Can" Moonbats organizing a national "Obama Day" at McDonalds, I'm proposing a counter-movement, "No We Won't", right here, right now.

Will you please join me?

Address?

140 imploder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:25:48pm

re: #132 Daisy

In response to the "Yes We Can" Moonbats organizing a national "Obama Day" at McDonalds, I'm proposing a counter-movement, "No We Won't", right here, right now.

Will you please join me?

Burger King? Anyone?

141 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:26:17pm

When I don't see the news until late in the day, I miss so much Obamanism...

This is sooo classic:

Despite this display of bonhomie, Obama said the president's demeanor turned downright frightening when he laid out his agenda to the freshly minted lawmakers.

"Suddenly it felt as if somebody in a back room had flipped a switch," Obama wrote. "The president's eyes became fixed; his voice took on the agitated, rapid tone of someone neither accustomed to nor welcoming interruption; his easy affability was replaced by an almost messianic certainty. As I watched my mostly Republican Senate colleagues hang on his every word, I was reminded of the dangerous isolation that power can bring, and appreciated the Founders' wisdom in designating a system to keep power in check."

Hey, Sen. Obama...welcome to Washington. I hope you have it just as easy as Bush, because, from reading this, YOU TWO SEEM TO BE A LOT ALIKE.

Heh.

142 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:27:05pm

re: #135 JeremyR

Note to self: Do not look at pics of hotties while lightly dressed if playful kittens are present.
-OUCH-

Here, have some triple A ointment. It's good for that.

143 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:27:28pm

re: #99 mikeymom

hi all--back from cancun and they gave me a great job at the resort--quality control expert at all the bars! t'was lovely! but on the downside - got news on second day my sis had another stroke-is doing so-so- right now i dont to go to ga (from co) but shes not out of the woods yet, and if things turn to shit (my bro-in-law words) i may have to go to help. prayers still needed dear lizards. then we also got news my hubbys aunt passed away-sbut she was 89 and went very quickly and easy. an emotional roller coaster of a week to be sure. glad to be back.

Prayers coming your way--may I add you to the Lizard Prayer List?

144 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:27:31pm

re: #139 JeremyR

Address?

LGF. No stinkin' McDonalds for us.

145 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:27:42pm

re: #137 LoFlyer

Haar mates! Greetings from station "M' from Bellamags, Noam Chumpski, Doppelganglander and 'meself LoFlyer! We are just talking things over and having a good time!

Too bad Wm. T Sherman isn't there (with you in Atlanta ... heh heh)

146 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:27:54pm
147 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:28:26pm

re: #128 JeremyR

Just curious as to why the ban on phone numbers here. In some cases it might be a good thing such as when people are posting the number to a congress critter, or some entity worth of a call to protest. Same for e-mail.
another example is one I some times post which is the rejection hot line number, always good for a laugh.
Not protesting, just asking.

Because I don't want to be responsible for it if the number changes. Someone who owns a phone number can post it on their own site if they want to, and then they're responsible for updating if the number changes or goes to someone else.

Also, there are people reading LGF who are NOT your friends, and if you post a phone number, e.g. the number of someone who does or says something outrageous, some of these people may call pretending to be from LGF when they're really trying to cause trouble for me.

There are other reasons not to allow them, those are just the two biggest.

148 arethusa  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:28:43pm

re: #141 OldLineTexan

Wait, I thought Obama thought the Founders didn't design the Constitution right...?

149 JeremyR  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:29:47pm

re: #142 Irish Rose

Here, have some triple A ointment. It's good for that.

Thanks. Six week old kittens tend to attack anything that moves in the least. She has unplugged my mouse twice today.

150 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:30:36pm

re: #129 alien_mind

with my tongue only slightly in cheek, how long do you think it will be before Dear Leader is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? don't laugh, I think it will be sooner than you might think. it's inevitable thats for sure.

AlGore has one - for crying out loud, I've got two of 'em.

151 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:30:40pm

re: #137 LoFlyer

Haar mates! Greetings from station "M' from Bellamags, Noam Chumpski, Doppelganglander and 'meself LoFlyer! We are just talking things over and having a good time!

Please enjoy a cold one for the rest of the Lizard Nation! (It's a tough reponsibility, but you are all up to it,)

152 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:31:19pm

re: #137 LoFlyer

Haar mates! Greetings from station "M' from Bellamags, Noam Chumpski, Doppelganglander and 'meself LoFlyer! We are just talking things over and having a good time!

Haar LoFlyer. et al. Where's & what's station "M"?

153 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:32:54pm

Shamelessly stolen from a comment at thelibertyzone.

From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

If you think I ain't stealing that, you don't know me.

154 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:33:00pm

Goddess, are you still here?

155 infidel4ever  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:33:09pm

"Speaking during the weekly cabinet meeting, Barak said many rockets were fired from the vicinity of residential homes and schools, precluding an Israeli response due to fear of harming civilians."

Very thoughtful of him, as the Pali's take great care not to hit Israeli civilians with the Qassams.

/sarc off

156 eon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:33:23pm

re: #148 arethusa

Wait, I thought Obama thought the Founders didn't design the Constitution right...?


Him, Woodrow Wilson, Michael Dukakis, you name it. Name a Democratic bigshot of the last century and there's a 50-50 chance that they wanted to dump the Constitution, or at least the Bill of Rights, as an "impediment to Good Government".

One more reason I'm a Republican in spite of being raised in a mostly Democrat family.

/"Mostly" because my mother was a Republican

cheers

eon

157 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:34:29pm

re: #153 razorbacker

Shamelessly stolen from a comment at thelibertyzone.

From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

If you think I ain't stealing that, you don't know me.

Here's one I made up for Obama.

Redistribution starts at home.

158 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:34:40pm

re: #123 Daisy

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I ought to have added Handel's You Know What.

159 Wishing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:34:44pm

re: #132 Daisy

In response to the "Yes We Can" Moonbats organizing a national "Obama Day" at McDonalds, I'm proposing a counter-movement, "No We Won't", right here, right now.

Will you please join me?

I'm there...Burger King, right?

160 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:35:44pm

And particularly note that Calypso Louie . . .

warned the packed audience that having a black president will not mean the end of racial inequity in the U.S.

/dare I ask what the [expletive deleted] is it going to take?

161 Daisy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:37:30pm

re: #159 Wishing

I'm there...Burger King, right?


Burger King it is. The Burger being the real King - as opposed to you know who.

162 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:38:01pm

re: #148 arethusa

Wait, I thought Obama thought the Founders didn't design the Constitution right...?

That's CHANGE for ya.

163 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:38:36pm

re: #154 A Kiwi Infidel

Goddess, are you still here?

Yes! How can I help?

164 eon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:40:02pm

Well, hate to post and run, but I have to sign off.

Good night, Lizards.

Pleasant dreams.

cheers

eon

165 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:40:32pm

re: #163 goddessoftheclassroom

Yes! How can I help?

I would like you to smite mine enemies with a mighty smiting. And once they have been thoroughly smote (smitten?), smite them again for good measure.

As an inducement, I offer this fragrant burning of Obama campaign paraphernalia...

166 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:40:44pm

re: #160 Killian Bundy

And particularly note that Calypso Louie . . .

/dare I ask what the [expletive deleted] is it going to take?

Killing all the whiteys might be a start...

167 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:40:50pm
168 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:41:20pm

re: #166 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Killing all the whiteys might be a start...

You took the words right out of my fingers. GMTA.

Hi all!

169 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:41:36pm

Goddess, I tracked down a copy of John MacArthur's book "Safe in the Arms of God" and then rang Natasha's boss, who I know and asked if she would accept this book as a gift to help heal the pain of losing her child. He rang me back in a couple of minutes and said it would be gratefully received. I dropped it off to her on Friday and she has accepted it. Please continue to hold her and her husband up the Lord, in prayer. Many thanks.

170 mikeymom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:42:03pm

re: #143 goddessoftheclassroom

sorryy to be late goddess- i think you already have my sis on your list for another reason--that can be taken off please but prayers for this stroke thing would be great--i thought she was doing better but bro in law said today its still touch and go--thanks

171 Master Shake  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:42:20pm

re: #124 Van Helsing

And, I hear that the postal service is printing a commemorative stamp with Obama's resume on it--what more do they want?

Now THAT was funny!

But what will they do with all that empty space on the stamp?

172 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:42:41pm

re: #171 Master Shake

But what will they do with all that empty space on the stamp?

LOL

173 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:42:44pm

re: #166 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Killing all the whiteys might be a start...


Do freckles count as being "colour"?

174 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:42:52pm

I was wading through Stormfront looking for any pics from the EURO coference in Memphis and I cam across this tidbit..

Here come some more photos from last night's Memphis Euro Conference. I'm uploading these photos from our lunch table at Cracker Barrel, and you folks reading this will see them before David Duke, John De Nugent, Viking Celt, Virginia Gentlewoman, FreeZundelNow, Lady Orion, and others too numerous to mention at our tables see them.

David Duke and his White Supremacist losers having lunch at the Cracker Barrel. C'mon. You can't write this stuff.

175 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:43:44pm
176 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:43:58pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

warned the packed audience that having a black president will not mean the end of racial inequity in the U.S.

They have no intention of allowing people to let go of racism. I heard a self identified black guy call a radio show to say that Obama being elected was good, but it would be really good if two blacks ran against each other.

177 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:44:10pm

re: #174 Mich-again

I was wading through Stormfront looking for any pics from the EURO coference in Memphis and I cam across this tidbit..

David Duke and his White Supremacist losers having lunch at the Cracker Barrel. C'mon. You can't write this stuff.

Oh, the irony!

178 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:44:13pm
179 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:44:34pm

things that make you go "hmmm.. oh sh*t"
senior yemeni al qaede: New attack planned against US

180 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:45:22pm

re: #145 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Too bad Wm. T Sherman isn't there (with you in Atlanta ... heh heh)

He is here in spirits, mstes! Piglet-U193 just arrived we moved to a larger table. Having a lot of fun!

181 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:06pm

re: #165 OldLineTexan

I would like you to smite mine enemies with a mighty smiting. And once they have been thoroughly smote (smitten?), smite them again for good measure.

As an inducement, I offer this fragrant burning of Obama campaign paraphernalia...

"Smitten" is the past participle for the irregular verb, "to smite." The other principle part is "smote."

I usually don't do much smiting, but I'll see what I can do...

182 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:09pm
183 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:56pm

French say 'Yes, we can!' too, to ending racism

Inspired by Barack Obama, the French first lady and other leading figures say it's high time for France to stamp out racism and shake up a white political and social elite that smacks of colonial times.

A manifesto published Sunday — subtitled "Oui, nous pouvons!", the French translation of Obama's campaign slogan "Yes, we can!" — urges affirmative action-like policies and other steps to turn French ideals of equality into reality for millions of blacks, Arabs and other alienated minorities.

"Our prejudices are insidious," Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, a singer and wife of President Nicolas Sarkozy, said in an interview with the Journal du Dimanche newspaper, which published the manifesto. She said she hoped the "Obama effect" would reshape French society.

Equality is the last thing they want.

/the enclaves and thousands of burnt out cars should have been your first clue

184 mikeymom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:46:56pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

"Smitten" is the past participle for the irregular verb, "to smite." The other principle part is "smote."

I usually don't do much smiting, but I'll see what I can do...

tooo funny, teach!

185 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:47:07pm

re: #170 mikeymom

sorryy to be late goddess- i think you already have my sis on your list for another reason--that can be taken off please but prayers for this stroke thing would be great--i thought she was doing better but bro in law said today its still touch and go--thanks

Done.

186 rain of lead  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:47:26pm

To our Lefty friends
just because you haven't been hit doesn't mean their not still swinging

187 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:47:49pm
188 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:47:59pm

re: #169 A Kiwi Infidel

Goddess, I tracked down a copy of John MacArthur's book "Safe in the Arms of God" and then rang Natasha's boss, who I know and asked if she would accept this book as a gift to help heal the pain of losing her child. He rang me back in a couple of minutes and said it would be gratefully received. I dropped it off to her on Friday and she has accepted it. Please continue to hold her and her husband up the Lord, in prayer. Many thanks.

I will. My heart aches for them and blesses you for your compassion.

189 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:48:43pm

re: #179 rain of lead

things that make you go "hmmm.. oh sh*t"
senior yemeni al qaede: New attack planned against US

Of course the attack would be worse that September 11th! With 0bama as our new dear leader, even liberals would be horrified!

Just think of the sanctions they'd want to enforce!

190 mikeymom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:50:24pm

re: #188 goddessoftheclassroom

ive been out of the loop-what happened- is natasha a regular here?

191 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:50:32pm

re: #152 Daisy

Haar LoFlyer. et al. Where's & what's station "M"?


Its a bar in Atlanta the we keep on the down-lo to avoid mindless attacks by moonbats! We be having a lot of fun email me if you want! 'me nic is blue!

192 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:51:21pm

re: #189 gmsc

Of course the attack would be worse that September 11th! With 0bama as our new dear leader, even liberals would be horrified!

Just think of the sanctions they'd want to enforce!

Damned straight.

No guns, knives, or clubs.
Forced service to the State.
No dissent allowed; punishable by fines and imprisonment.

Of course, these restrictions are for Americans. He'd get really snippy with the terrorists!

193 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:51:34pm

re: #174 Mich-again

I was wading through Stormfront looking for any pics from the EURO coference in Memphis and I cam across this tidbit..


David Duke and his White Supremacist losers having lunch at the Cracker Barrel. C'mon. You can't write this stuff.

LOL!

The Cracker Barrel has a history of discriminating against homosexuals.

194 mikeymom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:52:00pm

re: #191 LoFlyer

just got back from mexico-i perfected my spanish while there--pina coloda,por favour! have a round on me!

195 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:52:14pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

"Smitten" is the past participle for the irregular verb, "to smite." The other principle part is "smote."

I usually don't do much smiting, but I'll see what I can do...

The village smity could lend a hammer.

196 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:53:04pm
197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:53:27pm

re: #193 MandyManners

LOL!

The Cracker Barrel has a history of discriminating against homosexuals.

They were also sued for racial and gender discrimination regarding promotions.

198 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:54:19pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Another classic. I hope you're saving those.

199 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:54:19pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They were also sued for racial and gender discrimination regarding promotions.

And they peddle horhound as "candy".

/the bastards

200 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:54:47pm

re: #189 gmsc

Of course the attack would be worse that September 11th! With 0bama as our new dear leader, even liberals would be horrified!

Just think of the sanctions they'd want to enforce!


sanctions would be the second step. the first step would be to sit down together for broad discussions aimed at getting to the root cause of our differences.

201 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:07pm

So, what's the over/under on the amount of time before Washington, D.C.'s name is changed to include 0bama's name?

202 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:09pm

re: #196 Iron Fist

I checked out a book called White Cargo recently--dunno the author's name. Excellent.

203 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:15pm

British Al-Qaeda enclaves back jihad, according to leaked Government document

The threat posed by 'home-grown' terrorists has been laid bare in a leaked Government report which says thousands of Islamist militants in the UK are actively supporting jihadist activities at home and abroad.

The secret dossier states that Britain will remain 'a high-priority target' for international terrorists linked with Al Qaeda for the foreseeable future.

And it warns that a network of extremist cells exists in the UK, with the main concentrations in London, Birmingham and Luton.

The document - marked 'restricted' - was drawn up by the intelligence branch of the Ministry of Defence, MI5 and Special Branch.

The threat from Islamist extremists is 'diverse and widely distributed' and the number of terrorists in Britain is 'difficult to judge', states the report.

But it cites estimates from the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre that there are 'some thousands of extremists in the UK committed to supporting jihadi activities, either in the UK or abroad'.

And it states: 'For the foreseeable future the UK will continue to be a high-priority target for international terrorists aligned with Al Qaeda.

/Bill Ayers on steroids

204 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:23pm

They serve a really good breakfast though. Even Illinois Nazis like a good breakfast.

205 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:55:31pm

re: #200 alien_mind

sanctions would be the second step. the first step would be to sit down together for broad discussions aimed at getting to the root cause of our differences.

...without preconditions.

206 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:56:45pm

re: #203 Killian Bundy

Make William King while he's still young and full of testosterone.

When he gets bored, suggest that he could try liberating England.

207 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:56:58pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Whites were in bondage during much of the time that slavery existed in the Americas. Not only indentured servitude in colonies such as Georgia, but outright slavery via transportation to the British sugar plantations of the West Indies during the colonial era.

American slavery--that is to say, slavery under an independent United States--lasted all of about 75 years. Less time than it existed in, say, Brazil.

What's the difference between slavery and socialism?

208 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:57:10pm

re: #195 debutaunt

The village smity could lend a hammer.

CUTE!

209 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:57:27pm
210 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:57:35pm

re: #207 Van Helsing

What's the difference between slavery and socialism?

The spelling.

211 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:57:43pm

Buzzsaw, the Lady is a Tramp might lend itself to an Obama version of Barry is a scamp.

212 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:57:45pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

They were also sued for racial and gender discrimination regarding promotions.

I bet Duke and crew knew that.

213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:57:47pm

re: #204 OldLineTexan

What is horhound?

214 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:58:02pm

re: #207 Van Helsing

What's the difference between slavery and socialism?

In socialism, you get to see your paycheck before they tax it all back out of your accounts.

In slavery, they skip the whole farce of paying you.

Slavery is rather more streamlined.

215 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:58:18pm
216 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:58:33pm

re: #190 mikeymom

ive been out of the loop-what happened- is natasha a regular here?


No, I used got to know her some years ago as a young receptionist at my stock brokers. She married and I would give her a some banter about when we could expect see the littles ones arriving. Her and her husband had 2 kiddies, Both boys, now 5 and 2. I had lost touch with her for a few years both when I got out of shares and their firm moved to the other end of town. I saw on Thursday last week and innocently asked how the family was, and she looked at me and asked me what I meant. I asked if the family had grown and thats when she said "I have just lost my son" (Max 2) I apolgised for my comment and that it now upset her and she "No, Thats ok" It wasnt, I could see that, so I have tries to help with this book. It really is an encouragement to grieving parents.

217 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:58:52pm

re: #174 Mich-again

I was wading through Stormfront looking for any pics from the EURO coference in Memphis and I cam across this tidbit..

David Duke and his White Supremacist losers having lunch at the Cracker Barrel. C'mon. You can't write this stuff.

That there is funny.

218 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:59:40pm
219 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 2:59:51pm
220 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:00:08pm

re: #62 Occasional Reader

It's like a fucking Monty Python skit. It would be hilarious, if a nation's survival weren't on the line.

I'd be happy if thelink read Barack, not Barak

221 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:00:24pm

re: #213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is horhound?

Hmmm... here it is at Urban Dictionary...

222 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:00:41pm
223 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:00:51pm

re: #213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is horhound?

It's actually "horehound":


Horehound (Marrubium vulgare)

Horehound (Marrubium vulgare) is a European wildflower that has become dispersed throughout the United States, and one of the most common naturalized weeds in southern California. Like other members of the mint family (Lamiaceae), the flowers are grouped into dense clusters in the axils of opposite leaves along 4-sided stems. Each flower consists of a white, two-lipped corolla and a tubular calyx with ten spiny teeth that dry and curve outward in late summer and fall. Each prickly, dried calyx containing four one-seeded nutlets attaches readily to the fur of animals or other passers-by. Without a doubt, horehound calyces will have a frequency of occurrence of 100 percent in your socks if you walk through a field of this plant in the fall. In the Wayne's Word Top 17 Hitchhiking Plants, horehound is ranked #13 with five "sock-removal-difficulty units" (SRDUs). It is not surprising that this weed has found its way across the entire United States.

224 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:01:08pm

re: #221 NomadOfNorad

Hmmm... here it is at Urban Dictionary...

But you can't make her drink.

225 Sunlight  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:01:18pm

Here's something that will cook their goose! As Glenn would say, "Faster, please!"

[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

Yay, New Mexico! Land of the geeks! (Along with lots of other people!)

226 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:02:02pm

re: #180 LoFlyer

He is here in spirits, mstes! Piglet-U193 just arrived we moved to a larger table. Having a lot of fun!

Actually, I was thinking of the WTS who was there back in '64. (No, the OTHER '64!) ... *grin* ... twisting the Atlanta lizard's tail

227 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:02:16pm

re: #215 BBev

This is interesting.
A WARNING FOR AMERICA
FROM SOUTH AFRICA

By: Alan Stang

Are you serious? Do you know who Alan Stang is? Are you endorsing the views in that article?

228 BBev  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:02:45pm

re: #227 Charles

Are you serious? Do you know who Alan Stang is? Are you endorsing the views in that article?

No I'm not

229 alien_mind  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:02:55pm

re: #205 gmsc

...without preconditions.


no i'm thinking we would except their preconditions.

230 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:03:13pm

re: #213 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What is horhound?

I am starting to believe you have never seen the Ozarks, he gasped in disbelief.


It's an herb often prescribed for colds and whatever ails you. It is absolutely the funkiest "candy" in existence.

231 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:03:30pm

re: #223 goddessoftheclassroom

Recipe For Horehound Candy:

1. Make a strong horehound infusion: Boil one cup of fresh leaves with two cups of water for ten minutes. Let steep for five minutes and then strain.

2. To make horehound candy: Use one cup of horehound infusion to two cups of white sugar. Place sugar in small saucepan and stir in 1/8th teaspoon cream of tartar, then add the horehound infusion. Stir until the sugar has dissolved, then cook over low heat until it reaches 290 Fahrenheit degrees on a candy thermometer. [Or until a drop of the cooked infusion in cold water becomes a hard, glossy ball.] Pour on a buttered plate and score into cough drop sizes when it is semi-hardened. When cool, break apart into sections and store in a cool place until used.

232 BBev  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:03:57pm

re: #227 Charles

But if you can fill me in some on Stang I could really use it. I just got the link from a friend.

233 Sunlight  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:04:10pm

re: #225 Sunlight

Here's something that will cook their goose! As Glenn would say, "Faster, please!"

[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

Yay, New Mexico! Land of the geeks! (Along with lots of other people!)

Here's more:
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I know, I should put it up in the links, but this is exactly the kind of thing that will give us independence!

234 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:04:11pm
235 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:04:56pm

All my life I've heard that "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." I just had no idea that just because 52% of the country forgot history, that the remaining 48% would be doomed to repeat it along with them.

236 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:04:57pm

re: #221 NomadOfNorad

Hmmm... weirdly enough, there seems to be a horse by that name.

Then again, that's not so strange. They'll name a race horse after anything.

237 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:05:37pm

re: #181 goddessoftheclassroom

"Smitten" is the past participle for the irregular verb, "to smite." The other principle part is "smote."

I usually don't do much smiting, but I'll see what I can do...

Smitten

Leaving for the day -- that's my parting OldieButGoodie shot.
MWAH!

238 Rancher  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:07:28pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Also pressed service on English ships, at least till around 1815.

239 NYCHardhat  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:07:47pm

re: #235 gmsc

Unfortunately, when one sibling would misbehave, all the siblings would be punished.

240 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:07:55pm

re: #237 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH! and farewell!

241 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:09pm

re: #232 BBev

But if you can fill me in some on Stang I could really use it. I just got the link from a friend.

With friends like that...

Alan Stang is a darling of the white nationalists. He's been a guest on the neo-Nazi Political Cesspool radio show, and his articles are often linked with approval by Stormfront and David Duke. He specializes in hateful homophobic attacks with titles like "McCain's Sodomites."

Google the name. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because you've been here for a while. But I'm deleting that comment. And I hope you'll be more careful about what you post here in the future.

242 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:08:56pm

re: #217 Charles

Here's a picture of Don Black with Paul Fromm (at the conference hall, not the Cracker Barrel) and the Don's son Derek hamming it up in the background. Its in a Picasa web album, not the sf site.

243 LoFlyer  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:12:04pm

BBL mates! Haar!

244 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:12:33pm

re: #242 Mich-again

Here's a picture of Don Black with Paul Fromm (at the conference hall, not the Cracker Barrel) and the Don's son Derek hamming it up in the background. Its in a Picasa web album, not the sf site.

Pardon me if I missed something but, what conference? In Memphis?

245 BBev  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:13:13pm

re: #241 Charles

With friends like that...

Alan Stang is a darling of the white nationalists. He's been a guest on the neo-Nazi Political Cesspool radio show, and his articles are often linked with approval by Stormfront and David Duke. He specializes in hateful homophobic attacks with titles like "McCain's Sodomites."

Google the name. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because you've been here for a while. But I'm deleting that comment. And I hope you'll be more careful about what you post here in the future.

I am now and I am sorry I posted that.

246 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:14:52pm

re: #244 MandyManners

Here is the local news report from Memphis..

247 Dianna  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:15:16pm

I definitely need a break.

What's up?

248 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:15:44pm

re: #235 gmsc

All my life I've heard that "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." I just had no idea that just because 52% of the country forgot history, that the remaining 48% would be doomed to repeat it along with them.

Out of the 52%, there's a sizable core who want Obama to dismantle what we think of as American capitalism and traditional American foreign policy.

But there's also a big chunk who voted for him on the basis of, "Let's give the Black guy a term in office. How much damage could he really do in just four years?"

They are about to find out.

249 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:16:04pm

Good afternoon comrades Lizards...

250 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:16:38pm

re: #249 doriangrey

{doriangrey}

MWAH!

How is your friend Bryan's brother doing?

251 WestTexas  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:17:36pm

So a little story for everyone. My brother is in high school, and he has a very close friend that graduated last year and went to the marines. He has been away for about five months, and came home on leave this last week. We have hung out several times before he graduated and developed a friendship as well. Well last night they both wanted to come over. So, I called into work, went to the grocery store and bought supplies to make a nice homemade meal. When they showed up I could not believe my eyes. Where there used to be a young high school student stood a man of confidence and stature. I have had a few friends from different branches but never was I able to make the before and after comparison so well. I am still full of pride and awe at what our military can do for peoples lives, and what soldiers do for ours everyday.

West Texas

252 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:18:32pm

re: #246 Mich-again

Here is the local news report from Memphis..

Thanks!

For those who'd like to share their opinion with the hotel, here's the contact information.

[Link: www.plazahotelsuites.com...]

253 doriangrey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:18:38pm

re: #250 goddessoftheclassroom

{doriangrey}

MWAH!

How is your friend Bryan's brother doing?

He is paralyzed from the waist down. His jaw is busted so we still dont know exactly what happened, but his wounds look more in keeping with his being attacked than his being in an accident. Other than that time will tell how much he heals, at least they got him home in time to save his life.

254 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:19:47pm

Interesting idea for a YouTube video: For those who either live in, or who are about to visit, Washington, D.C., put together a video tour of it, but referring to it instead as "0bamagrad". You could have plenty of fun renaming many landmarks and monuments in 0bama's honor, too.

255 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:19:49pm

re: #253 doriangrey

I'm sorry to hear how seriously hurt he is, but I'm so thankful they did get him home.

256 Sunlight  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:19:53pm

re: #247 Dianna

I definitely need a break.

What's up?

See 233 for increased optimism!

257 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:20:51pm
258 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:21:50pm
259 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:22:10pm

Look at this little girls' Hershey Kiss collection.

For Obama day, I propose a new Hershey's Kiss:

Bitter white chocolate striped with smooth creamy bland candy, all over a red center that is NOT the flavor promised on the bag.

260 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:24:40pm

re: #258 Iron Fist

Certainly not the stock market. Can you short the entire economy? For years at a time?

Why not? 52% of the country just did!

261 Penguinchic  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:26:08pm

re: #257 Iron Fist

I totally agree with everything you said. Additionally, after looking at his energy policies, it seemed to me he was trying to force us to become dependent on the middle east for oil, rather than break the dependence in 10 years as he kept stating as his energy policy.

262 Shay4l  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:26:52pm

re: #235 gmsc

All my life I've heard that "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." I just had no idea that just because 52% of the country forgot history, that the remaining 48% would be doomed to repeat it along with them.

They didn't forget history, they never were taught it between sex ed, and "Heather Has Two Mommies".

263 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:27:20pm

Spent a night at the opera last night.

It was very entertaining, the music was good, and I learned a valuable lesson.

Don't sell your soul to the devil no matter how good the offer.

Faust

/but if only I could be 25 years old again for just one weekend will never ask again

264 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:29:30pm

re: #257 Iron Fist

It sounds like Obama thinks he was elected dictator.

Don't get too uswed to the "low" price of gasoline. Obama will act rapidly to ensuer that America has no additional domestic supply.

Hope! Change!

(Oh, shit! We're all fucked!)

And, he's gonna' bankrupt coal.

We're doubly fucked.

265 Wishing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:29:43pm

re: #225 Sunlight

Here's something that will cook their goose! As Glenn would say, "Faster, please!"

[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]

Yay, New Mexico! Land of the geeks! (Along with lots of other people!)

That is VERY kewl! I hope it is for real and not a fake out.

266 leboaz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:30:15pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sorry, but I just like this too much to leave it buried in the last thread:

Agitatin' in Topeka for Obama Day
--with apologies to "On the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe"

Do you think the adulation is out of control?
The President-elect's supporters, on a roll
Are tryin' to put federal holidays in play,
Agitatin' in Topeka for Obama Day.

Though the Electoral College hasn't gathered yet
Folks who voted for the One are workin' up a sweat
Gatherin' at McDonald's for to have their say
Agitatin' in Topeka for Obama Day.

Here it comes!
Ooh, ooh, ooh,
Even though he has done nothing yet
Ooh, ooh, ooh,
Except promise that he'll buy his girls a pet

Still the folks are dyin' to commemorate
The man whose record still remains an empty slate
And they're wishin' and hopin' that they'll get their way
Agitatin' in Topeka for Obama Day.

A little worthless history. The AT&SF railway never stopped in any of these three towns. Buzz ought to be able to make something great out of that!

267 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:30:36pm

re: #264 MandyManners

And, he's gonna' bankrupt coal.

We're doubly fucked.

In that article, Reid said "we". We're triply-fucked.

268 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:32:30pm

It's not to late to get one of these. The price is bound to go up next year.

269 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:32:33pm

Obama and the "Patriot Employer"

As mentioned in the updates to this earlier post, the Obama transition web site has, at least temporarily, purged out all the real content they had up about specific programs and legislative goals. So, as a public service, I will help fill this information gap by re-posting an article I wrote about 9 months ago on the "Patriot Employer Act" sponsored by Barrack Obama and likely a kernel for early 2009 legislative action:

Posted 2/13/2008: It turns out, according to Barrack Obama, (who hales from the party that doesn't believe in questioning anyone's patriotism) that I am not a "Patriot Employer." This is from the text of Senate Bill S. 1945 of which he is a co-sponsor (My snark is interspersed in italics): Patriot Employers are to be given tax breaks over unpatriotic employers (I presume this means that their tax rates will be raised less in an Obama presidency than those of other folks) with "patriot employers" defined as such:

Read the whole thing.

270 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:34:40pm

re: #257 Iron Fist

It sounds like Obama thinks he was elected dictator.

Don't get too uswed to the "low" price of gasoline. Obama will act rapidly to ensuer that America has no additional domestic supply.

Hope! Change!

(Oh, shit! We're all fucked!)

Interesting you should bring up oil drilling and Obama... My dear old dad just this last couple of days commented that OPEC's choice of bringing the price of a barrel of oil down, and thus the price of gas, just shortly before the election, but how now it seems to be going back up, might have been a deliberate, calculated move by them to let the "Drill here! Drill now!" matter slide to the back burner in people's minds just long enough that they'd forget about it come voting day. That way, they'd be able to go four more years without worrying about us potentially driving the price of oil down by making our own.

Grrr...! He might be right!

271 logboy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:36:13pm

re: #264 MandyManners

And, he's gonna' bankrupt coal.

We're doubly fucked.

When electricity costs go through the roof I'll finally have a reason to set up my battery bank and my windmill. Unfortunately, then Obama will make me run a cable over to my welfare neighbors house to give him half the power I generate. You know, to "spread the wealth around".

272 Dianna  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:37:21pm

re: #258 Iron Fist

Certainly not the stock market. Can you short the entire economy? For years at a time?

Evidently.

Grrr.

273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:37:33pm

re: #230 OldLineTexan

I am starting to believe you have never seen the Ozarks, he gasped in disbelief.


It's an herb often prescribed for colds and whatever ails you. It is absolutely the funkiest "candy" in existence.

I live just outside of Springfield, MO. Actually, I've never been in a Cracker Barrel or a Chick-Fil-A.

274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:38:14pm

re: #273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I live just outside of Springfield, MO. Actually, I've never been in a Cracker Barrel or a Chick-Fil-A.

But I am drinking sweet tea as I type.

275 Wishing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:39:02pm

re: #256 Sunlight

See 233 for increased optimism!

My husband says that Obama will outlaw these wonderful little nuke plants. Simply because it is nuclear.

276 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:39:08pm

re: #158 Daisy

I ought to have added Handel's You Know What.

Also appropos from Handel:

277 bp sf  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:40:05pm

Hey! Guess who gets a pardon now that there's a Dem prez?

Johhny Taliban. You read it here first and I know it for sure.

278 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:40:07pm

re: #274 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

But I am drinking sweet tea as I type.

I've just had a wacky thought: Has there ever been such a thing as sour tea?

279 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:41:10pm

re: #278 NomadOfNorad

I've just had a wacky thought: Has there ever been such a thing as sour tea?

My ex could make it. Trust me. She could F-up boiling water.

280 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:41:16pm
281 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:41:53pm

re: #278 NomadOfNorad

I've just had a wacky thought: Has there ever been such a thing as sour tea?

I should thing that would be tea with lemon and no sugar. Tea by itself is alkaline, so it couldn't be sour. Acids are sour.

282 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:43:16pm

re: #281 Moe Katz

I should thing that would be tea with lemon and no sugar. Tea by itself is alkaline, so it couldn't be sour. Acids are sour.

No wonder I feel recharged after drinking a few glasses!

283 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:43:28pm

re: #273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I live just outside of Springfield, MO. Actually, I've never been in a Cracker Barrel or a Chick-Fil-A.

My first encounter with horhound/horehound was in the Ozarks in Arkansas.

And I wish I had some sweet tea. From Chick-Fil-A. Becasue it is so delicious.

284 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:45:50pm
285 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:46:18pm
286 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:48:47pm
287 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:49:38pm

re: #284 Iron Fist

Yeah, you're right. I'd already let Obama's promise to bankrupt the coal industry. I really don't understand this election. Everyone wanted change I guess, and they didn't look too closely to what that change would be to. Because Barack Hussein hasn't really concealed what hwe's all about. He's just told the crown "Pay no attention to the guy behind the curtain", and they did as he asked.

And my job is in the medical field. My company manufactures a hardware/software device for diagnostic tests, mostly in medical research. Even though Obama may fuck up the healthcare industry, it hopefully won't impact my job. That's about the only hope I can see, right now.

It will if those tests are suddenly rationed.

288 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:50:34pm

re: #283 OldLineTexan

My first encounter with horhound/horehound was in the Ozarks in Arkansas.

And I wish I had some sweet tea. From Chick-Fil-A. Becasue it is so delicious.

I make my own and it's as good as any I've had, including Red Diamond, which is the best as far as I'm concerned.

Bring 3 cups water to boil to make a concentrate. Add 1 1/2 cups sugar, stir it until it disolves. Add 12 tea bags (I use Tetley). Lower heat to medium, and let the bags steep for 10 minutes in the boiling water for 10 minutes. Makes one gallon.

289 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:51:28pm

re: #285 buzzsawmonkey

Yo, Mandy--an answer to your question about Birth of a Nation at the bottom of the "Bali Bomber" thread.

I read it. I've never seen the film, and I doubt I ever will.

290 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:53:30pm
291 logboy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:55:20pm

re: #281 Moe Katz

I should thing that would be tea with lemon and no sugar. Tea by itself is alkaline, so it couldn't be sour. Acids are sour.


Tea sounds great here while I study. I think I'll have some apple cinnamon spice tea with a touch of homemade apple syrup and agave nectar.

292 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:56:01pm
293 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:56:11pm

re: #279 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My ex could make it. Trust me. She could F-up boiling water.

I had a friend in high school whose mother did just about everything for her - especially in terms of food preparation. One New Year's Eve we were hanging out, and she went into the kitchen to make some french onion dip; before she did, though, she asked how to make it, so I told her to take a packet of french onion soup and mix it with sour cream.

When I went to see what was taking her so long, I found her in the kitchen, stirring a saucepan on the stove with a bunch of white liquid in it.

Was your ex-wife that bad?

294 Dianna  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:57:23pm

re: #277 bp sf

Hey! Guess who gets a pardon now that there's a Dem prez?

Johhny Taliban. You read it here first and I know it for sure.

Well, at least Steve Earle will be happy for about five seconds.

295 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:58:00pm

re: #293 capitalist piglet

I had a friend in high school whose mother did just about everything for her - especially in terms of food preparation. One New Year's Eve we were hanging out, and she went into the kitchen to make some french onion dip; before she did, though, she asked how to make it, so I told her to take a packet of french onion soup and mix it with sour cream.

When I went to see what was taking her so long, I found her in the kitchen, stirring a saucepan on the stove with a bunch of white liquid in it.

Was your ex-wife that bad?

LOL! Okay, not that bad!

296 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:58:47pm
297 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 3:59:41pm

re: #290 Iron Fist

The Unioted States can be powered by thinking good thoughts. Always remind yourself, no matter how destitute you get you are being given to for your needs, as long as you are working to the best of your full measure. You may be starving, but at least you will be fairly starving.

You can consider it an oppertunity to starve to death for the greater good.

Think we can convince the loons that those Hyperion power units are filled with good thoughts instead of fissile material?

298 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:00:00pm

So, Obama versus Bin Laden, does Obama get Bin Laden or does Bin Laden get Afghanistan?

/my bet is after a year or so, Obama gets squeamish, packs it in, and throws Karzai under the bus

299 sevoguy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:01:38pm

I can only speak for myself and hopefully encourage others to shut down the economy this Christmas. If Obama wants to increase my taxes, so be it.

Yet, if the economy comes to a standstill (yes, biting my nose off to spite my face), it will be next to impossible to increase our taxes.

What is this country going to look like in 4 years? I've made my predictions and it's not a place I would want to live in if I had a good paying job and a career.

I expect to be arrested for wearing my McCain/Palin hat and for the bumper sticker on my car which reads "He's not my President." The Obamas National Security Force.

300 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:01:53pm

re: #24 ciaospirit

The courts will be busy.

A Resident Evil 5 producer protests racism charges against the unreleased game.» Anger over African zombies

Mummies are African.
Zombies are Haitian.
I'd be mad, too...

301 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:17pm

Interesting cartoon I ran across (no link available):

There is a discussion panel on a stage in front of an audience. Behind the discussion panel members is a banner that says, "2060 Science Fiction Writers' Convention".

The panel member at the lectern, obviously answering a question from the audience is saying, "...so, yes, your story has some good original parts to it. However, the whole 'traveling-back-in-time-to-kill-0bama-as-a-baby' concept is so overused that it's a cliche now."

302 Shug  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:28pm

re: #298 Killian Bundy

So, Obama versus Bin Laden, does Obama get Bin Laden or does Bin Laden get Afghanistan?

/my bet is after a year or so, Obama gets squeamish, packs it in, and throws Karzai under the bus

and will Bin Liden get a tax cut from Obama ?

303 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:29pm
304 2by2  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:35pm

just posted this on the last thread (wich seems to be dead), so here it is again:
Today is the 70 anniversary of 'Kristallnacht', the day when hordes of SA and other Nazis stormed Synagogues all over Germany, vandalized Jewish stores, beat and killed Jews, as an opening event for what led to the systematic extermination of European Jewery.
...and unbelievably, in Lithuania those who stood up against the atrocities are being prosecuted today: ACT NOW: Kristallnacht+70: Stop Lithuania from Prosecuting WWII Jewish Partisans

305 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:02:41pm

re: #295 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

LOL! Okay, not that bad!

She was likely muttering to herself about how stupid the recipe was.

306 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:03:25pm

re: #299 sevoguy

I can only speak for myself and hopefully encourage others to shut down the economy this Christmas. If Obama wants to increase my taxes, so be it.

Yet, if the economy comes to a standstill (yes, biting my nose off to spite my face), it will be next to impossible to increase our taxes.

What is this country going to look like in 4 years? I've made my predictions and it's not a place I would want to live in if I had a good paying job and a career.

I expect to be arrested for wearing my McCain/Palin hat and for the bumper sticker on my car which reads "He's not my President." The Obamas National Security Force.

Isn't that rather asinine?

307 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:03:28pm

In case any of you may have missed it in the Spin Off Links:

Literal Enactment of Obama's Policies by Democrat Coucilman


A Jersey City councilman has reportedly been arrested for urinating on a crowd of concertgoers from the balcony of a Washington D.C. nightclub.

The New York Daily News reports in Sunday's editions that two-term Jersey City councilman Steve Lipski has been charged with simple assault.

The newspaper says 44-year-old Lipski was removed from a place called the 9:30 Club on Friday night.

That's after club staffers saw him relieve himself onto the crowd from a second floor balcony during a concert by a Grateful Dead tribute band.

Messages left at Lipski's council office, and a Jersey City listing under his name were not immediately returned.

Copyright Associated Press


I hope this isn't a 'type' or 'shadow' of the future...

308 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:20pm

re: #305 debutaunt

She was likely muttering to herself about how stupid the recipe was.

I had to teach her how to pour ketchup. I'm serious.

309 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:28pm

re: #277 bp sf

Hey! Guess who gets a pardon now that there's a Dem prez?

Johhny Taliban. You read it here first and I know it for sure.

310 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:04:33pm
311 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:05:11pm

re: #299 sevoguy

I can only speak for myself and hopefully encourage others to shut down the economy this Christmas. If Obama wants to increase my taxes, so be it.

Yet, if the economy comes to a standstill (yes, biting my nose off to spite my face), it will be next to impossible to increase our taxes.

What is this country going to look like in 4 years? I've made my predictions and it's not a place I would want to live in if I had a good paying job and a career.

I expect to be arrested for wearing my McCain/Palin hat and for the bumper sticker on my car which reads "He's not my President." The Obamas National Security Force.

Yes, please shut down the economy while I'm job hunting. I really need that.

312 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:05:14pm

Oops, hit submit too soon
If what you say is true, #277, I hope the stupid kid has some contrition in him.
Last I heard, he did not.

313 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:05:31pm

re: #308 capitalist piglet

I had to teach her how to pour ketchup. I'm serious.

hahahahahhahahahahaaa

314 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:05:32pm

Sheesh. A lizard scurries away for a few weeks and the whole world goes nuts.

We actually elected 0bama as POTUS?

/Cue the soviet anthem...

315 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:06:10pm

re: #304 2by2

just posted this on the last thread (wich seems to be dead), so here it is again:
Today is the 70 anniversary of 'Kristallnacht', the day when hordes of SA and other Nazis stormed Synagogues all over Germany, vandalized Jewish stores, beat and killed Jews, as an opening event for what led to the systematic extermination of European Jewery.
...and unbelievably, in Lithuania those who stood up against the atrocities are being prosecuted today: ACT NOW: Kristallnacht+70: Stop Lithuania from Prosecuting WWII Jewish Partisans

War crimes?!

316 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:06:48pm

re: #314 experiencedtraveller

Sheesh. A lizard scurries away for a few weeks and the whole world goes nuts.

We actually elected 0bama as POTUS?

/Cue the soviet anthem...

Not me.

317 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:07:17pm

re: #314 experiencedtraveller

Sheesh. A lizard scurries away for a few weeks and the whole world goes nuts.

We actually elected 0bama as POTUS?

/Cue the soviet anthem...

No, 0bama has his own national anthem now.

318 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:07:17pm
319 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:07:27pm

re: #313 debutaunt

hahahahahhahahahahaaa

Even funnier - today, my friend is a public school teacher.

320 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:07:42pm
321 2by2  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:08:32pm

re: #315 MandyManners

hard to believe, I know.

322 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:08:39pm

re: #310 buzzsawmonkey

All black performances--from Duke Ellington to Stepin Fetchit--were decreed "racist" and "demeaning" and were snipped out of TV station prints. The stations didn't give a damn--they could cram in more commercials. But the net effect was to utterly eliminate any knowledge of a generation or two of incredibly talented black performers, and--not incidentally--leave the way clear for a social indoctrination that all that these people achieved was "racist" or "demeaning" and accordingly unworthy of viewing. Sorry--not true.

Yet, 50 cent is a genius! So's the rapper who glorified killing cops!

324 BaseballMom57  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:10:57pm

re: #14 imploder

Try Qurb. It's an email program that puts all your spam into a Qurb folder. You look at everything and then either delete it, or click "Approve" and it goes back into your Inbox. Best thing is, the program "learns" as it goes. I love it. Problem is, now it's not free. But if you're interested, here's the download site: [Link: www.download.com...]

325 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:11:13pm

re: #321 2by2

Times like these, I want to go back to my cave.

326 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:11:14pm

re: #310 buzzsawmonkey

the film (imo) is of interest only in terms of "history" (and, if iirc, there were no black actors in Birth of a Nation -- the blacks were whites playing the role of blacks, in "blackface")

327 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:11:55pm
328 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:12:40pm

re: #327 buzzsawmonkey

That is precisely why it is important to see these films, good and bad, while it is still possible. There has been intense effort to make these films hard to see for forty years, an effort which I fear will only get worse.

I recently viewed Stormy Weather and Cabin in the Sky on DVD. Two films which contain some of the greatest black performers of the 1940s--and both of them carried disclaimers apologizing for the indignity which the films represented.

Reminds me of burning books.

329 Opilio  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:12:42pm

re: #149 JeremyR

Thanks. Six week old kittens tend to attack anything that moves in the least. She has unplugged my mouse twice today.

I was surfing the nascent Intertubes sans shirt about 10 years back when our newly acquired kitten decided to jump the several feet from the bed to my right shoulder blade. She was scooped and launched on her return flight in one smooth motion. Damn but those claws are sharp!

330 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:12:45pm

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

331 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:13:04pm
332 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:14:15pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

NO! [self-deleted]

333 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:14:40pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

Did I miss something with Robert Spencer? Has he gone all Vlaams Blaang on us / Gates of Vienna? I am confused here...

334 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:14:47pm
335 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:15:10pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

What a dip-[fill-in-blank]...

336 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:15:56pm

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey

"history" isn't the problem...it's the interpreters...

337 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:16:14pm

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey

So what is wrong with history? If it is important to see Leni Riefenstahl's work, it is also important to see that of DW Griffith--who, I might point out, was far more than "Birth of a Nation."

I loved how 'they' all cried over Robert Downey Jr. in Tropical Thunder. Best actor in the whole movie. Also...can anyone say 'EDDIE MURPHEY'.

338 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:16:22pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

I bet it makes those folks feel really important.

339 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:16:50pm

re: #331 Iron Fist

Yeah, a Ted Kazinsky-style cabin in Montanna has something to reccommend it. It's not practical, but it has its attraction.

No hi-speed internet.

340 Shug  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:14pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

this still shocks me. I laways thought Spencer was a patriot.

341 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:38pm
342 Dianna  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:40pm

re: #328 MandyManners

Reminds me of burning books.

That's exactly what it is.

343 Shug  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:41pm

re: #338 MandyManners

I bet it makes those folks feel really important.

but alas , they remain impotent

344 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:43pm

re: #338 MandyManners

I bet it makes those folks feel really important.

Hang on. I am repeating myself since I missed something. What happened with Robert Spencer? Did he 'change'? GoV, Vlaams..etc.?

345 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:17:54pm

re: #333 Oh no...Sand People!

Has he gone all Vlaams Blaang on us / Gates of Vienna?


Yup.

346 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:18:52pm

re: #345 Killgore Trout

Yup.

Where have I been? Kee ripes...

347 Dianna  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:32pm

re: #338 MandyManners

I bet it makes those folks feel really important.

I think it's time to go back to writing the story that's making my head want to explode. It's less depressing.

348 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:19:59pm
349 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:20:16pm

re: #342 Dianna

That's exactly what it is.

The attempt to eradicate history.

350 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:20:44pm

re: #343 Shug

but alas , they remain impotent

And, madder than wet hens.

351 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:20:58pm

re: #344 Oh no...Sand People!

Hang on. I am repeating myself since I missed something. What happened with Robert Spencer? Did he 'change'? GoV, Vlaams..etc.?

He's gone over to the dark side.

352 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:25pm

re: #347 Dianna

I think it's time to go back to writing the story that's making my head want to explode. It's less depressing.

(((Dianna)))

353 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #345 Killgore Trout

Yup.

When did we find this out / when did he come 'out'? (sorry if this has been addressed a million times...it's just I was a longtime browser of his 'blogging the Qu'ran' series over on Hotair. Is he finished over there at HotAir also?

354 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:22:33pm

re: #353 Oh no...Sand People!

A week ago Friday.

355 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:22:39pm
356 Captain Amercia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:22:57pm
PHILADELPHIA (CBS 3) ― As Philadelphia struggles with a budget crisis, CBS3 has learned that the city is losing millions and millions in revenue in the form of bills it never collects.

According to the City Controller’s Office, only 41-percent of patients billed for ambulance service in Philadelphia ever paid up.

So for one year that was analyzed, instead of collecting $60 million dollars, the city only collected $25 million dollars.

“Which means $35 million dollars goes uncollected, so there are a number of issues caught up in that,” City Controller Alan Butkovitz said.

http://firstin.wordpress.com/

I know Dave and he is absolutely right. We are supposed to all join hands now and throw our support behind yet another democrat government that is unable to administer the finances of this city. The current administration has embarked on a list of service cuts that will impact most areas of city government. This is just the latest in a never ending series of financial crises’ that we Philadelphians must endure.

What’s worse is the cutbacks to the Fire Department are suicidal. We have been studying them since their announcement and the initial anxiety has given way to outright horror. The loss of some of these companies means citizens WILL die. There is no question about it. Someone we would have been able get to will be stranded because companies that used to be there are now gone. In emergency services there is no doing more with less. Less manpower, less resources means MORE damage, more deaths, more injuries.

357 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:23:31pm

re: #355 Iron Fist

They've done the same thing with guns for years. Weapons of historic value cut up and/or melted down to make some bleeding heart Liberal feel like they had done something to make the world a safer place.

It's disgusting.

Why do I get the feeling that the barbarians have breeched the gates?

359 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:24:12pm

re: #353 Oh no...Sand People!

When did we find this out / when did he come 'out'?


A couple of weeks ago after he posted an article by Fjordman. He now seems like he's a full fledged VB apologist.

360 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:26:21pm

re: #357 MandyManners

Why do I get the feeling that the barbarians have breeched the gates?

They didn't have to breach the gates, Mandy. They've always worked from the inside.

361 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:26:52pm
362 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:16pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Man arrested in Philly for wearing a McCain/Palin t-shirt

Via Ace.

I've only watched the first minute so far but, it looks as if they're trying to keep him from being torn to pieces.

363 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:28pm
364 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:42pm

re: #356 Captain Amercia

I have a good story in the same vein. I few years back we donated our car to a reputable charity who sold it. All very well and good, but the buyer took it to Philly, did heaven knows what and abandoned the car. For over two years Philly tried to get us to pay for the other guys tickets and towing and storage fees. They KNEW it was no longer our car. Why bother us? "Because he will never be able to pay and you can afford it"

We went up the chain of command and eventually got someone to stop harassing us!

As for the new owners bills? THe taxpayers will have to eat them

365 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:27:57pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Dewinter's Nazi book shopping

A much stronger statement if someone was actually able to identify the book.

/might have been Tom Sawyer for all we know

366 Opilio  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:29:03pm

re: #349 MandyManners

The attempt to eradicate history.

History is written by the victors.
          — Winston Churchill

Also apropos:

If you are going through hell, keep going.
          — Winston Churchill

367 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:29:43pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Man arrested in Philly for wearing a McCain/Palin t-shirt

Via Ace.

What were the charges?

368 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:29:50pm

re: #264 MandyManners

Obama is still in campaign mode.

In Office, reality is going to bruise both his buns.

I really doubt he is going to prohibit domestic drilling and bankrupt coal.

369 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:30:27pm
370 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:31:15pm

re: #359 Killgore Trout

A couple of weeks ago after he posted an article by Fjordman. He now seems like he's a full fledged VB apologist.

What the... This 'war' on radical jihad / Islam is so many levels higher than race. I'm not a genius by any standard of the word and even I can see that. What a way to cut your own legs out. Congrats Robert.

371 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:12pm

re: #368 Ojoe

Obama is still in campaign mode.

In Office, reality is going to bruise both his buns.

IF anyone has the guts to tell him he's responsible for any of it.

It would be like someone having the guts to tell Elvis that he was gaining too much weight and taking too many drugs.

372 dentate  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:18pm

re: #370 Oh no...Sand People!

What the... This 'war' on radical jihad / Islam is so many levels higher than race. I'm not a genius by any standard of the word and even I can see that. What a way to cut your own legs out. Congrats Robert.

I had somehow missed the existence of "LGF2" until this thread, and just took a look over there. Very sad to see a site devoted to bitterness, irrespective of any of its disagreeable content. The name probably constitutes an infringement on Charles' site, but I suppose that picking a fight is what they want.

373 Dianna  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:20pm

re: #363 buzzsawmonkey

The slave who speaks the truth appears in Greek and Roman literature. It even shows up with the Sumerians, as I recall.

374 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:21pm
375 Gus  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:33:53pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Some will argue that they were protecting the safety of the individual. Others will say he was promoting incitement.

I believe that he has every right to wear that t-shirt and that it then become the duty of the police officers to protect that individual from harm and to allow him express his rights.

Of course given the ritualized behavior of the crowd he was intermingling with it would put him in danger of physical harm.

Such will be the state of things in America for the coming 4 years.

376 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:34:41pm

Check it out, 60 Minutes is interviewing all the Obama campaign gurus.

/not a black person within 100 yards

377 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:03pm

re: #371 Adina in Judea

I will soon write him a letter on my professional letterhead.

He will hear a lot.

378 WestTexas  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:17pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Wow, truly disgusting. The way those sheeple were cheering Dear Leader's name while they where cuffing him is disturbing. The masses cheer their enslavement. Just great, I live in a nation with a substantial population who do not know right from wrong. I think I might move to cave for a few years.

379 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:18pm

re: #368 Ojoe

I heard some names mentioned (with respect to who's on the short list for cabinet positions...). the CBC reported on potential choices...gag. Including, how Obama (yeah, ObamaMessiah) now wishes to "reach across the aisle and appoint a Republican." And which republican would have a role in a Zero Cabinet? Why, of course, chuck Hagel...yeah, that one...It figures...so the Republican Party can be further damaged by this Obamanation.

380 Opilio  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:22pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Man arrested in Philly for wearing a McCain/Palin t-shirt

Via Ace.

Wow.

Were those the Philly police or the thought police?

381 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:23pm

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey

So what is wrong with history? If it is important to see Leni Riefenstahl's work, it is also important to see that of DW Griffith--who, I might point out, was far more than "Birth of a Nation."

There is history, and there is history. Neither Birth of a Nation nor Triumph of the Will document history very well, in terms of their content reflecting actual historical events (other than Riefenstahl capturing accurate images of the Nuremburg congress). They document certain attitudes and views that held sway at particular moments in history, and they also have value to film historians who are interested in the development of motion picture technique and theory.

So I personally wouldn't recommend that everyone go run out and see those films on general principles. I'd recommend that those films be available for anyone to see, but as for advising a particular person to see them, I'd restrict that recommendation to people who want to study film for its own sake, people who want to study propaganda techniques, and people who want to study the eras and societies in which the films were made (and certainly not anyone looking to understand the actual events of Reconstruction).

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:31pm

How's everybody. Broke as I am?

Being a salesperson has been really good. The past 6 weeks have been the worst of my career.

383 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:35pm

I didn't get involved in this thing because it wasn't my fight, but I can't believe that spencer would go "bad" or neo-nazi or anything like that. it doesn't make any sense.

Well, I read spencer's writing on this and frankly, he makes a good point. Go read the full translation of the video. seriously. This Strømmen guy is feeding you a line on this one, the translation of the video is completely different to what he said it was.

384 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:35:44pm

re: #369 Iron Fist

Wow. That certainly puts things into perspective, doesn't it? I keep hoping that at least the farthest flung hypothesis would prove to be too far for everyone. Apparently not.


One of the commenters on there said he and a friend (in their 70's) walked to their car outside of a store and when they left there was a group of blacks out there that said, FU MF'er, we in charge now.
So they called the cops and the guy was arrested.

385 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:36:16pm
386 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:36:20pm

What if those cops had not removed him and he was torn to shreds by the crowd?

387 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:36:34pm
388 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:36:48pm

re: #375 Gus 802

Such will be the state of things in America for the coming 4 years.

Store and publicize every instance of this. 'Get in people's faces' over it.

389 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:16pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Man arrested in Philly for wearing a McCain/Palin t-shirt

Via Ace.

Woah! A vision of thing to come ... er, already here. Unfrikin' believable.

390 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:25pm

re: #365 Killian Bundy

I googled some of the books yesterday too. There's some anti-immigrant white nationalist stuff, Nazi stuff, and various other xenophobic hate literature. The common thread is that they are all books about ethnic nationalism.

391 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:37:28pm

Couldn't someone say it's akin to shouting "FIRE" in a theatre?

392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:38:02pm

re: #389 Bobibutu

Free country and all. But, fire, crowded theater and all.

IMHO.

393 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:38:07pm

re: #379 J.S.

I will tell him McCain Sec. Defense; Palin Sec. Health & Human Services.

I do recall hearing that Obama was reading "Team of Rivals".

We can hope.

Much is riding on the competency of his administration, much more that would have been riding on his opponent's.

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:38:22pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Couldn't someone say it's akin to shouting "FIRE" in a theatre?

re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Free country and all. But, fire, crowded theater and all.

IMHO.

GMTA!

395 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:39:03pm

re: #368 Ojoe

Obama is still in campaign mode.

In Office, reality is going to bruise both his buns.

I really doubt he is going to prohibit domestic drilling and bankrupt coal.

Why would he not prohibit domestic drilling and bankrupt coal?

He's all about sending the right price signals to let people know that carbon-based energy has no future.

396 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:39:39pm

re: #370 Oh no...Sand People!

What the... This 'war' on radical jihad / Islam is so many levels higher than race. I'm not a genius by any standard of the word and even I can see that. What a way to cut your own legs out. Congrats Robert.

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy.

397 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:39:40pm

re: #385 Iron Fist

I hope he's sensible.

BBL

398 Joan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:01pm

re: #277 bp sf

Hey! Guess who gets a pardon now that there's a Dem prez?

Johhny Taliban. You read it here first and I know it for sure.

Pardon the Border Guards...
Bush. I've defended you against all ingrates--Pardon the Border Guards.

399 dentate  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:10pm

re: #387 buzzsawmonkey

It's been a long time since I was in Sumer school, so that slipped my mind.

But it does underscore my larger point, to wit, that the outrage manufactured over "demeaning" black roles in films and theater are, when viewed in the context of literature as a whole, a complete crock.

Which in turn, points to the absurdity of Obama becoming a symbol of black American achievement, when the man shares none of that culture and history, and was raised entirely by his white family in a setting of middle class privilege. His current symbolic value is also a manufactured crock. I wonder what his grandmother truly thought of all this.

400 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:40:14pm

re: #395 stuiec

If that, one term.

Really BBL

401 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:41:02pm

re: #383 brotherofchronos

Strømmen did the Nazi-VB pub story. The translation of the video was done by someone else. Even Robert's version of the story is not pleasing. The bookfair centered around ethnic nationalism, xenophobia and hate.

402 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:41:16pm

re: #372 dentate

I had somehow missed the existence of "LGF2" until this thread, and just took a look over there. Very sad to see a site devoted to bitterness, irrespective of any of its disagreeable content. The name probably constitutes an infringement on Charles' site, but I suppose that picking a fight is what they want.

Me too. It's like they got 'excommunicated' from a 'church' or something...

'You can leave the church...but you can't leave it alone...' type of mentality.

403 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:41:29pm

re: #399 dentate

I wonder what his grandmother truly thought of all this.

Only god knows now.

Hey, Obama thinks he's god, maybe we should ask him!

404 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:41:32pm

re: #385 Iron Fist

There's talk / yak about how The Zero intends to alter a government department -- Energy (iirc). I believe The Zero has "intentions" on the Dept. of Engergy -- to totally refurbish and expand it (some claim the dept's current mandate is strictly related to nuclear energy -- the Zero wants to change all that and turn it into a Dept of Renewable energy, etc. Some of this doesn't sound all that bad...)

405 Joan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:41:37pm

re: #26 nyc redneck

everyone,
grow a little garden this spring. even if you just dig up a 12x12 ft. piece of ground in the back or side yard. it could come in handy and the beauty of plants coming up from the dirt is very uplifting to the heart and mind.
just suggesting this because it is a wonderful activity for the family and will put a lot more food on the table than you can believe. you can get so much from a small garden.
:)

Awesome idea, nyc redneck. Some interesting reading here:

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[Link: gurneys.com...]
[Link: www.motherearthnews.com...]
[Link: www.preparednessresource.com...]
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406 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:41:55pm
407 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:42:04pm
408 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:42:09pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

What is LGF2? I've heard it talked about a few times, but no one actually said what or where it was or is.

409 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:42:15pm

re: #392 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Free country and all. But, fire, crowded theater and all.

IMHO.

Fair enough. However it looked like the cops were a tad overbearing. One of them pulled another cop off of the guy at one point.

410 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:42:29pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Robert Spencer is defending Dewinter's Nazi book shopping. He's also personally emailing the info to LGF2. Classy guy.

I just got in from running the Roger McGuinn show at the theatre and I find a number of emails from Mr. Spencer.

Gee, once he gets on a topic, he acts like it's his damn right to an answer ASAP. I have been really busy this weekend with the opening of our Christmas show AND the Roger McGuinn concert (and we have one more night, tomorrow of Roger).

Just becasue I hadn't answered him in the last 24 hours on a point he wanted me to clarify, he sends me an eamil today (while I was working) with the follow terse note...

"I didn't think you'd have the guts to answer me like a man. I hope you and Charles take a long look in the mirror."

Geeessshhh... is this guy a bit obsessed?

411 Summersong  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:42:34pm

re: #329 Opilio

"return flight" LMAO!

412 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:43:34pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

I googled some of the books yesterday too. There's some anti-immigrant white nationalist stuff, Nazi stuff, and various other xenophobic hate literature. The common thread is that they are all books about ethnic nationalism.

Right, but what was the one he was carrying to ostensibly purchase? He made a production of clearly showing the cover to the camera twice.

/maybe it's just me, but I think it's important that someone enhance a screenshot to get the title, then we'll all know

413 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:43:36pm

re: #406 Iron Fist

The best arguement is that the shirt constituted "fighting words". That could be true, but doesn't it tell you a lot about what the Obama Administration is going to be like if simply wearing a t-shirt for the opposition merits arrest. It's not exactly like the dude was wearing gang colors.

My take is that they were trying to keep him from being beaten and/or killed, and creating a riot.

414 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:44:00pm

re: #408 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It's a stalker site. If you google around you can find it.

415 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:44:14pm

re: #406 Iron Fist

Isn't there already a lot of case law on the books about stuff like this? It sure looks actionable to me. The guy said they were bringing him even further from his car, and thereby placing him in further danger. They should have escorted him to his vehicle and away if that was their real concern.

416 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:26pm
417 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:32pm

You have to be bored to go find stuff like this.

UNIFIL honours long-serving Lebanese staff on the United Nations Day

Naqoura, Lebanon – Lebanese staff members serving for more than 25 years with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) were today awarded certificates of recognition by Force Commander Major-General Claudio Graziano on the occasion of the United Nations Day.

They've got 25 years seniority in the "Interim" force. Ha.

418 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:32pm

re: #415 esch

Isn't there already a lot of case law on the books about stuff like this? It sure looks actionable to me. The guy said they were bringing him even further from his car, and thereby placing him in further danger. They should have escorted him to his vehicle and away if that was their real concern.

They would've had to take him back through the crowd, a crowd that was jumping up and down, pumping fists and screaming bloody murder.

419 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:35pm

re: #396 stuiec

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy.

hmmm... 'Principles'?...Hmmm... Don't think I ever heard of that word 'principle' before..
/

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:45:50pm

re: #413 MandyManners

And, I seriously doubt that Obama gave the order. C'mon. He was being an asshole, they got him out of there.

You don't ask this at a Klan rally unless you are trying to stir up trouble.

421 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:46:15pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

Strømmen did the Nazi-VB pub story. The translation of the video was done by someone else. Even Robert's version of the story is not pleasing. The bookfair centered around ethnic nationalism, xenophobia and hate.

The books mentioned on spencer's site cover everything from nationalisms to collectivisms and points in between. it looked more like an "alternative media" sort of thing than anything to do with hate.

imo.

anyway whoever did the translation isn't important. they got it very badly wrong. there's enough real evidence to convict these people, manufacturing the stuff just makes your case look bad.

422 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:46:21pm
423 Spider Mensch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:46:26pm

ok, I entered obamas photo into one of those age generaor soft ware thingy's..calculating the stress of office, his smoking and drinking, add listening to michelle's mouth for 4 years and this is what he'll look like at age 50...
Image: 2006_3735.JPG

424 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:46:42pm

re: #412 Killian Bundy

According to Spencer...

0:50 Dewinter grabs a book. I cannot see which one. He says "Vu de Droite" (The Right-wing View). Vu de Droite is a book by French philosopher Alain de Benoist. De Benoist is anti-American, anti-Christian, and calls himself a "neo-Pagan."
425 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:08pm

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

Case in point: I have read I don't know how many references to "the ugly American"--always used as an example of the nasty, loutish, uncultured American disliked abroad.

Like you, when I hear someone refer to that book with that, I know they've never read it.

426 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:09pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

It's a stalker site. If you google around you can find it.

So it's affiliated with LGF in any way I'll assume.

427 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:36pm

re: #423 Spider Mensch

ok, I entered obamas photo into one of those age generaor soft ware thingy's..calculating the stress of office, his smoking and drinking, add listening to michelle's mouth for 4 years and this is what he'll look like at age 50...
[Link: www.24hourmuseum.org.uk...]

It's Grady!

428 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:54pm

re: #420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, I seriously doubt that Obama gave the order. C'mon. He was being an asshole, they got him out of there.

You don't ask this at a Klan rally unless you are trying to stir up trouble.

Hope I fixed that.

429 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:47:56pm

re: #426 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So it's affiliated with LGF in any way I'll assume.

PIMF- So it's NOT affiliated with LGF.

430 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:48:40pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Couldn't someone say it's akin to shouting "FIRE" in a theatre?

I understand your point - but in Seattle, we're afraid to even put out Republican yard signs. Where does it stop? Why do we have to be fearful of expressing ourselves politically, as long as we're not in anyone's face, threatening them?

And the crowd, chanting Obama's name as the guy who did nothing wrong is cuffed and hauled away?

Just...wow.

431 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:48:45pm

re: #369 Iron Fist

Wow. That certainly puts things into perspective, doesn't it? I keep hoping that at least the farthest flung hypothesis would prove to be too far for everyone. Apparently not.

That was terrifying. And the "O ba ma" chants were chilling. I thought it was bad that my yard sign was mutilated, my son's car broken into, and just Friday (with my mutilated McCain/Palin sign thrown nearby) my newer fence gate was totally busted right off the hinges. My right to free speech is going to cost me over $800.

432 Shug  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:48:54pm

re: #426 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So it's affiliated with LGF in any way I'll assume.

No it isn't affiliated

It's run by a couple of psychopaths who are banned from posting here

433 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:48:57pm

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

I just got in from running the Roger McGuinn show at the theatre and I find a number of emails from Mr. Spencer.

Gee, once he gets on a topic, he acts like it's his damn right to an answer ASAP. I have been really busy this weekend with the opening of our Christmas show AND the Roger McGuinn concert (and we have one more night, tomorrow of Roger).

Just becasue I hadn't answered him in the last 24 hours on a point he wanted me to clarify, he sends me an eamil today (while I was working) with the follow terse note...

"I didn't think you'd have the guts to answer me like a man. I hope you and Charles take a long look in the mirror."

Geeessshhh... is this guy a bit obsessed?

WTH?! I thought he had the world to save from islam. I thought that would camand a lot of his time, but I guess he has a lot of time to stalk LGF and inform other stalker sites of what he's learned about VB- which is a euro-party he's said he's looking into and yet not interested in looking in to. Fascinating.

434 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:05pm

re: #409 Bobibutu

Fair enough. However it looked like the cops were a tad overbearing. One of them pulled another cop off of the guy at one point.

It also looked like they didn't appreciate being filmed.

435 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:07pm

re: #418 MandyManners

Then they should have explained that and escorted him away.

436 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:27pm

Although "ethnic nationalism" seems to be tied to the idea of neo-Nazis these days, what is a good alternate term for Europeans countries that do not wish to be swallowed up by Islamists?

For those who are not neo-Nazis and don't support neo-Nazis, what is a term that can spell out the idea of Italy being Italian and France being French without being accused of being a neo-Nazi idea?

I'm just wondering (because I'm not all that familiar with the issues around VB and Gates of Vienna.)

Wikipedia has an entry on "ethnic nationalism" and it doesn't mention right wing extremism until the very end:

Ethnic nationalism has sustained criticism because of its use by extremists to advocate racist agendas and genocide, such as the case of Nazi Germany and its extermination of millions of Jews and other ethnic and cultural groups during the Holocaust. More recent acts of violence that used ethnic nationalism as a justification include ethnic cleansing such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994, the Srebrenica massacre in Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1995, and Operation Storm in Croatia in 1995.

Is there a term besides 'anti-Jihad' for supporting the idea of resisting being swallowed by Islamists so that countries can retain their characters as ethnic states?

437 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:39pm
438 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:47pm

re: #420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, I seriously doubt that Obama gave the order. C'mon. He was being an asshole, they got him out of there.

You don't ask this at a Klan rally unless you are trying to stir up trouble.

What was he wanting? To have the crime in which he was beaten/killed investigated by the police? To have them risk themselves by standing around him as a protective force?


(Your link doesn't work.)

439 Spider Mensch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:49:49pm

re: #427 Walter L. Newton

It's Grady!

I didn't think of him...damn, he would have been perfect..

440 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:50:06pm

re: #376 Killian Bundy

Check it out, 60 Minutes is interviewing all the Obama campaign gurus.

/not a black person within 100 yards

No surprise. It says a lot.

441 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:50:07pm

re: #426 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

So it's affiliated with LGF in any way I'll assume.

NO.

442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:50:45pm

re: #438 MandyManners

Suicide by mob?

443 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:50:47pm

re: #421 brotherofchronos

The books mentioned on spencer's site cover everything from nationalisms to collectivisms and points in between. it looked more like an "alternative media" sort of thing than anything to do with hate.

imo.

anyway whoever did the translation isn't important. they got it very badly wrong. there's enough real evidence to convict these people, manufacturing the stuff just makes your case look bad.

And robert's busy trying to obfuscate. Did you verify his sources?

444 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:07pm

re: #422 Iron Fist

Agreed. Are they still counting votes in some of the contested ridings? or has everything been settled now?

445 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:09pm

re: #421 brotherofchronos

They're are perusing white nationalist literature and drinking in a pub with Nazi symbols. There's a mountain of other evidence. This is just another piece of the puzzle. I don't think Spencer's version of that video helps my opinion of VB. He addded a few interesting details but the essence of the story still remains.

446 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:27pm

re: #436 Adina in Judea

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Start reading.

447 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:34pm

re: #430 capitalist piglet

I understand your point - but in Seattle, we're afraid to even put out Republican yard signs. Where does it stop? Why do we have to be fearful of expressing ourselves politically, as long as we're not in anyone's face, threatening them?

And the crowd, chanting Obama's name as the guy who did nothing wrong is cuffed and hauled away?

Just...wow.

Of course putting a sign up should not expose you to danger.

However, this guy went down to the demonstration wearing that shirt. He was looking for trouble.

448 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:34pm
449 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:51:37pm

re: #426 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

No, not affiliated.

450 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:52:03pm

re: #433 Sharmuta

WTH?! I thought he had the world to save from islam. I thought that would camand a lot of his time, but I guess he has a lot of time to stalk LGF and inform other stalker sites of what he's learned about VB- which is a euro-party he's said he's looking into and yet not interested in looking in to. Fascinating.

Oh, he is interested in VB, but only the parts of VB that serves his purpose. As he emailed me and said...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Nothing, not a damn thing he says can change that statement. And it is a statement that speaks VOLUMES. Period. Case closed.

451 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:52:12pm

re: #413 MandyManners

My take is that they were trying to keep him from being beaten and/or killed, and creating a riot.

Reminds me of an anti Bush protest in San Fran some years back. There were about 8 of us protesting the protest (several thousands). Just standing in front of City Hall with small American Flags and a sign or two.

A Police Lt. came over and said something like ... if you folks get challenged it would be good to just disperse and don't get into arguments or get surrounded. It would take about 40 of us in riot gear to get you out if that happened and we are not going to do that.

We got his point.

452 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:52:29pm

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

You are, I think, missing my point. At no time in the above exchange have I suggested that either Birth of a Nation or Leni Riefenstahl's work is worth viewing as a record of history. To the contrary, they should be viewed as exemplars or records of the mindsets of their day.

But these films are endlessly referenced by pundits and would-be pundits--and if there is anything I have learned over the years, it is that such references are usually wrong, and usually self-serving. It is important to see these films, and others, in order to be able to judge the value and veracity of the person referencing them.

Case in point: I have read I don't know how many references to "the ugly American"--always used as an example of the nasty, loutish, uncultured American disliked abroad. Unlike most people, I have actually read The Ugly American, which is an anticommunist novel from the early Vietnam War era. The "ugly American" of the title is, in fact, a physically unattractive American engineer who sets out to win the people of a Southeast Asian nation away from Communism--and is successful. The novel shows some successes and a great many failures in this endeavor--but the "ugly American" of the title is one of the resounding successes documented. I find the novel itself still interesting, and recommend it heartily--and, in the meantime, having read it, I know that anyone who uses "ugly American" as a pejorative is a bloviating gasbag who is repeating received wisdom about a work he or she has not read.

Next you are going to tell me that Bambi is a boy's name.

453 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:53:02pm

Hey, slipping here to ask a question, sorry to go OT:

I haven't heard any news about Obama's grandmother's scheduled funeral or his attendance. Have I completely missed it? I've still been battling this stupid cold for over two weeks, so maybe I did.

454 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:53:06pm

re: #435 esch

Then they should have explained that and escorted him away.

He got mouthy, and cops don't like that. Their adrenaline was pumping, and reacted as they had been trained to remove the cause of unrest.

I hope charges against him are dismissed.

455 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:53:18pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

And robert's busy trying to obfuscate. Did you verify his sources?

better than that. straight to the source; the video and a dutch speaking sister in law. :)

456 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:53:19pm
457 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:53:37pm
458 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:53:45pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

He mentions your email in his latest update.

459 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:09pm

re: #437 Iron Fist

I'm not a lawyer, but it looks to me like he should have a First Amendment case. There's no way that they could argue that his shirt was obscene or somehow violated "community" standards. It was clearly political speech, which is supposed to be protected strictly.

The cops cannot surround him and protect him. Riots can break out very quickly.

460 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:43pm

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Suicide by mob?

It very well could have turned out that way.

461 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:45pm

re: #446 Sharmuta

re: #436 Adina in Judea

Start reading.

I'd like an answer to my actual question.

What is the proper term to use when trying not to be swallowed up by Islamists?

Obviously, "ethnic nationalism" is a term tied to neo-Nazis, yet we do have the goal of trying to keep European nations (which do have ethnic identities) from being swallowed up and disappearing inside Islam.

So what's the correct term (besides "anti-Jihad"?)

462 Eyes of Blue  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:54:48pm

re: #124 Van Helsing

And, I hear that the postal service is printing a commemorative stamp with Obama's resume on it--what more do they want?

Now THAT was funny!

Well they couldn't use Obama's face because people would get confused about which side they were supposed to spit on.

463 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:05pm

re: #418 MandyManners

They would've had to take him back through the crowd, a crowd that was jumping up and down, pumping fists and screaming bloody murder.

You don't let the mob rule. Some of the cops were ready to beat the shit out of the guy they should have wanted to protect.

464 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:06pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Oh, he is interested in VB, but only the parts of VB that serves his purpose. As he emailed me and said...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Nothing, not a damn thing he says can change that statement. And it is a statement that speaks VOLUMES. Period. Case closed.

Charles posted that last night for us. As Athos said about that comment from robert- moral and intellectual cowardice.

465 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:15pm

re: #448 buzzsawmonkey

It's pretty handy as a means of knowing when someone has no idea what they're talking about, n'est ce pas?

Mais oui.

466 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:23pm

re: #447 MandyManners

Of course putting a sign up should not expose you to danger.

However, this guy went down to the demonstration wearing that shirt. He was looking for trouble.

But should walking around in a campaign shirt justify arrest? I just don't feel comfortable ceding that.

467 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:45pm

re: #451 Bobibutu

Reminds me of an anti Bush protest in San Fran some years back. There were about 8 of us protesting the protest (several thousands). Just standing in front of City Hall with small American Flags and a sign or two.

A Police Lt. came over and said something like ... if you folks get challenged it would be good to just disperse and don't get into arguments or get surrounded. It would take about 40 of us in riot gear to get you out if that happened and we are not going to do that.

We got his point.

Precisely.

468 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:56pm

re: #413 MandyManners

My take is that they were trying to keep him from being beaten and/or killed, and creating a riot.

And supposedly he was drunk, too. My guess is that it was entirely pragmatic on the cops' part. If, hypothetically, the guy shows up drunk to the Obama rally with a McCain+Palin t-shirt and starts creating a real big ruckus, it's not unreasonable that he be removed. I seriously doubt that Philly beat cops are, by and large, in the tank for Obama.

469 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:55:57pm

re: #453 vxbush

I haven't heard any news about Obama's grandmother's scheduled funeral or his attendance. Have I completely missed it? I've still been battling this stupid cold for over two weeks, so maybe I did.

There's been no mention of a service.

Perhaps she isn't having one.

470 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:56:09pm
471 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:56:43pm

re: #436 Adina in Judea

You ask a very good question. The world doesn't seem upset that Japan wants to remain Japanese, for example.

472 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:57:09pm

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Oh, he is interested in VB, but only the parts of VB that serves his purpose. As he emailed me and said...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Nothing, not a damn thing he says can change that statement. And it is a statement that speaks VOLUMES. Period. Case closed.

That is the most damning thing I've heard concerning his case.
The enemy of my enemy is sometimes my enemy too.
If we become animals to fight animals and win—have we won?

473 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:57:10pm

re: #463 ciaospirit

You don't let the mob rule. Some of the cops were ready to beat the shit out of the guy they should have wanted to protect.

They probably were scared and had adrenaline pumping through them. Would you want to die protecting some kid with a dearth of common sense?

474 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:57:35pm

re: #469 Adina in Judea

There's been no mention of a service.

Perhaps she isn't having one.

Hm. I suppose, but I don't know how unusual that would be.

475 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:57:41pm

re: #466 capitalist piglet

But should walking around in a campaign shirt justify arrest? I just don't feel comfortable ceding that.

They had to get him out of there.

I don't know if he was charged.

476 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:57:42pm

re: #461 Adina in Judea

You said you didn't know about VB. If you'd like to learn more about VB, here's a link for all the stories Charles has posted on them.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I don't think one has to turn to ethnic nationalism to combat jihad and in fact they shouldn't. They are two sides of the same coin. Not all islamists are arab, african, asian, etc. Some are white westerners, so how does ethnic nationalism stop them?

477 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:07pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

He mentions your email in his latest update.

I know, he just emailed me with a link, I haven't looked at it yet. He says he is not reading LFG anymore, yet as soon as I post something here, an email shows up in my box.

He's got a busy little bunch of elves working for him. I get on over and read his entry in a little bit.

Geeessshhh

478 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:28pm

re: #468 Christopher Luebcke

And supposedly he was drunk, too. My guess is that it was entirely pragmatic on the cops' part. If, hypothetically, the guy shows up drunk to the Obama rally with a McCain+Palin t-shirt and starts creating a real big ruckus, it's not unreasonable that he be removed. I seriously doubt that Philly beat cops are, by and large, in the tank for Obama.

Drunk? He was committing a crime, then.

479 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:58:45pm

re: #471 ciaospirit

re: #436 Adina in Judea

You ask a very good question. The world doesn't seem upset that Japan wants to remain Japanese, for example.

Quite true.

I'm also concerned about how this relates to the existence of Israel as a Jewish nation. Jews are an ethnic group, too (even though Jews come in all colors known to mankind.)

480 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:59:11pm

re: #463 ciaospirit

You don't let the mob rule. Some of the cops were ready to beat the shit out of the guy they should have wanted to protect.

The lunatics are running the asylum, unfortunately. If the guy had gone into the rally wearing a "F*&K OBAMA" shirt, that would be one thing...but I would think a McCain/Palin campaign shirt would be benign - in a normal environment, at least.

But now, thugs rule...and our side can just shut the hell up.

Is this America?

481 Islandlibertarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:59:16pm

"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
You can't make this shit up:
I sent off an e-mail to the organizer of "Obama Day" voicing my objection and here is the reply:

SUBJECT: The Record Speaks: Black Eagle (Obama) Wins, yet Hillary Wins, as well! (I Am Woman)
What is the question behind the question? Obama is a Community Organizer, the same as I am. To paraphrase President Abraham Lincoln, "The fact, we may not succeed in the struggle ought not deter us in a cause we believe to be just!" November 4, 2008 repr. America growed up! Obama is who God has chosen to lead us at this point and time He is preparedI I was discussing with D. Zahn, Worldnetdaily on how we are so ready for Liberty for all, I can only think of one other time in America History that captures what this moment in my life and the life of other community organizers/activist around the world, GOD BLESS THE YOUTH OF AMERICA: Compares to FEB 22, 1861 in Philadelphia, PA.

I Challenge my Generation to Inspire Future Generations.

Yours in Christ, Sonny Scroggins


True Believers are the most dangerous.
Power to the Correct People!
(They don't create false gods.)

482 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 4:59:54pm

re: #474 vxbush

Hm. I suppose, but I don't know how unusual that would be.

I read here today that there's a memorial service in December.

I wonder how big a production it will be to stroke CBBHO's ego.

483 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:00:08pm

The fight against radical Islam isn't / nor do I believe will ever be to the point that we will need to join forces with full on racists in order to continue and win. These 'group's' would be the first to, as they perceive the tide of battle to change, induce all mechanisms necessary to undermine their own and seize power. This will cause the fight to continue.

imho.

484 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:00:10pm
485 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:00:11pm

re: #447 MandyManners

However, this guy went down to the demonstration wearing that shirt. He was looking for trouble.

I was at two different McCain rallies and there were people at each, inside the building of the rally, walking around in Obama t-shirts. No one bothered them.

486 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:00:21pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

According to Spencer...

The thickness matches the 626 page count.

/can't find any cover images to confirm it

487 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:05pm

re: #451 Bobibutu

Sounds like the concept of PC speech is being used to expand the definition of 'incitement' and defeat the First Amendment thereby. It's not the violence which is wrong, it's the words.

Nice.

488 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:20pm

re: #476 Sharmuta

I don't think one has to turn to ethnic nationalism to combat jihad and in fact they shouldn't. They are two sides of the same coin. Not all islamists are arab, african, asian, etc. Some are white westerners, so how does ethnic nationalism stop them?

Is there a term for what we want to do to protect European nations from being swallowed up by Islamists or is there not?

It's a simple question.

I'm not supporting "ethnic nationalism."

I'd like to know what the right term is since this term is being tied to neo-Nazis.

The only term I'm seeing is "anti-Jihad," which seems a bit vague.

Isn't there a term for the fight to save Europe that doesn't start with "anti"?

489 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:01:29pm
490 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:02:08pm

re: #468 Christopher Luebcke

And supposedly he was drunk, too. My guess is that it was entirely pragmatic on the cops' part. If, hypothetically, the guy shows up drunk to the Obama rally with a McCain+Palin t-shirt and starts creating a real big ruckus, it's not unreasonable that he be removed. I seriously doubt that Philly beat cops are, by and large, in the tank for Obama.

Find me one Obama supporter who isn't? There is no other explanation...
/

491 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:02:08pm

re: #487 esch

Sounds like the concept of PC speech is being used to expand the definition of 'incitement' and defeat the First Amendment thereby. It's not the violence which is wrong, it's the words.

Nice.

Yes. To me it is like arresting a woman who dares walk into a crowd of angry drunk men, because she could get raped and she should know better.

492 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:02:22pm

re: #485 ciaospirit

I was at two different McCain rallies and there were people at each, inside the building of the rally, walking around in Obama t-shirts. No one bothered them.

Perhaps the McCain crowds were older and more sensible.

493 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:02:25pm

re: #472 David IV of Georgia

That is the most damning thing I've heard concerning his case. The enemy of my enemy is sometimes my enemy too.
If we become animals to fight animals and win—have we won?

Yes and now (just a few minutes ago, he says I don't understand his statement...

"Thank you for your kind note. In fact I no longer read LGF at all, and only saw your statement when it was forwarded to me. You are in this jumping to conclusions. Likewise in regard to the statement I sent to you: you are wildly misinterpreting it." (Robert Spencer - email sent to me Sun 11/9/2008 5:48 PM)

So, I ask the Lizards. How would you understand this statement?

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Someone tell me!

494 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:02:46pm

re: #437 Iron Fist

It was supposedly disorderly conduct and public intoxication. Of course I wasn't there to see it, but if that guy wasn't there to start trouble, then he's too stupid to be allowed out on his own.

Also, when the cops tell me to leave, I'll leave and file my grievance later.

495 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:03:05pm

re: #488 Adina in Judea

Isn't there a term for the fight to save Europe that doesn't start with "anti"?

Its called have more children and teach them well.

496 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:03:14pm

re: #485 ciaospirit

I was at two different McCain rallies and there were people at each, inside the building of the rally, walking around in Obama t-shirts. No one bothered them.

And that's the point, I guess. We're accepting that one side is civilized, the other is not, and we're favoring the uncivilized side.

I understand that they felt the situation was dangerous for the guy, and they needed to get him out of there (I've been to a couple of rallies that could have turned ugly, but the cops kept us on opposite sides of an intersection, with the lefties on one side dragging an American flag on the ground and screaming profanities at us) - so I get that - I just hate to see someone arrested for wearing an ordinary t-shirt in this country.

497 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:03:49pm

re: #489 Iron Fist

Reverse the skin colors and party affiliations, and you would be talking about a nation-wide civil rights scandal, with a major class-action lawsuit being filed against the police. Are we really going to lose equal protection under the law in an Obama Regiem?

It is beginning to sound like it.

A drunk goes to a rally wearing an opposition shirt? Also, as I posted in No. 492, the McCain crowds were probably older and more sensible.

498 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:04:04pm

re: #461 Adina in Judea

I'd like an answer to my actual question.

What is the proper term to use when trying not to be swallowed up by Islamists?

Obviously, "ethnic nationalism" is a term tied to neo-Nazis, yet we do have the goal of trying to keep European nations (which do have ethnic identities) from being swallowed up and disappearing inside Islam.

So what's the correct term (besides "anti-Jihad"?)

Plain ol' nationalism. You can be German, French or Italian these days and be descended from ancestors from Asia, Africa, Scandinavia... it ought not to depend on your ethnicity but rather on your affiliation to your nation's language and culture.

Can a Jew be a Frenchman while remaining Jewish? If he speaks French and accords himself with French civil law as befits a French citizen, then of course he can. Can a Muslim be German? Again, if he speaks German and accords himself with German civil law as befits a German citizen.

I would invert the ethnic nationalism argument: a "Turk" who lives in Germany but isolates himself in a Turkish ethnic enclave, speaks only Turkish and puts Islamic law above German law in matters that are within the sphere of civil and not religious law is engaging in ethnic nationalism.

499 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:04:31pm

re: #486 Killian Bundy

I also find it interesting that it's an anti-Chatholic book. The old VB magazines had a lot of cartoons ridiculing the pope as I recall. I think Spencer is Catholic.

500 Gitarzan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:04:48pm

re: #344 Oh no...Sand People!

Hang on. I am repeating myself since I missed something. What happened with Robert Spencer? Did he 'change'? GoV, Vlaams..etc.?

Spencer's "gone native", so to speak, with the VB crowd.

501 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:04:56pm

re: #489 Iron Fist

Reverse the skin colors and party affiliations, and you would be talking about a nation-wide civil rights scandal, with a major class-action lawsuit being filed against the police. Are we really going to lose equal protection under the law in an Obama Regiem?

It is beginning to sound like it.

Excellent, excellent point.

502 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:05:07pm

re: #488 Adina in Judea

Is there a term for what we want to do to protect European nations from being swallowed up by Islamists or is there not?

It's a simple question.

I'm not supporting "ethnic nationalism."

I'd like to know what the right term is since this term is being tied to neo-Nazis.

The only term I'm seeing is "anti-Jihad," which seems a bit vague.

Isn't there a term for the fight to save Europe that doesn't start with "anti"?

The problem, as I understand things, is that european countries are not charter nations, having grown in place over the course of several hundred years. they are ethnic nation-states. You can't defend, say, England (grown in place over nearly 1200 years) without implicitly defending the English. I think the distinction has to be one of intent: inasmuch as anyone wants to provide a safe haven for their own nation, I would say that's fine. It's when they start talking about taking bits from other nations and demanding "breathing room" that things get iffy.

503 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:18pm

re: #487 esch

Sounds like the concept of PC speech is being used to expand the definition of 'incitement' and defeat the First Amendment thereby. It's not the violence which is wrong, it's the words.

Nice.

Yeah - come to think of it that was the last time I went to counter a protest.

504 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:20pm

re: #496 capitalist piglet

And that's the point, I guess. We're accepting that one side is civilized, the other is not, and we're favoring the uncivilized side.

I understand that they felt the situation was dangerous for the guy, and they needed to get him out of there (I've been to a couple of rallies that could have turned ugly, but the cops kept us on opposite sides of an intersection, with the lefties on one side dragging an American flag on the ground and screaming profanities at us) - so I get that - I just hate to see someone arrested for wearing an ordinary t-shirt in this country.

The difference between your situation and the one at hand is that this was one guy who was drunk driving down to to a rally in progress with little seeming intent.

505 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:06:29pm

I will go where I please, and wear what I please, and say what I please. If I am not allowed to do so, I expect that I will fight like hell.

506 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:07:18pm
507 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:07:23pm

re: #504 MandyManners

The difference between your situation and the one at hand is that this was one guy who was drunk driving down to to a rally in progress with little seeming intent.

Is there some evidence he was drunk? I didn't see that - I just saw someone say he supposedly was. Do we know this?

508 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:07:33pm

re: #505 mama winger

I will go where I please, and wear what I please, and say what I please. If I am not allowed to do so, I expect that I will fight like hell.

Hard to fight from a hospital bed, so I plan to take care.

509 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:01pm

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Yes and now (just a few minutes ago, he says I don't understand his statement...

"Thank you for your kind note. In fact I no longer read LGF at all, and only saw your statement when it was forwarded to me. You are in this jumping to conclusions. Likewise in regard to the statement I sent to you: you are wildly misinterpreting it." (Robert Spencer - email sent to me Sun 11/9/2008 5:48 PM)

So, I ask the Lizards. How would you understand this statement?

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Someone tell me!

A: Typed his response in 'emotional rage'.
B: Caused mask to slip.
C: Trying to play MSM and say, 'It was taken out of CONTEXT!'
D: 'But...but...but...I said I don't endorse anything else they do!'

/I want my cake and want to eat it and eat any other 'cake' that suits my agenda and have an 'out' in the 'I don't endorse anything else'... So if he hangs out with known pedophiles that are fighting Jihad, 'Hey, I just thought all those underage girls and boys in their apartment were family...'

510 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:09pm
511 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:10pm

re: #453 vxbush

So that's who gave me this cold.
Gah.

512 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:13pm

re: #505 mama winger

I will go where I please, and wear what I please, and say what I please. If I am not allowed to do so, I expect that I will fight like hell.

I'm with you, m/w. While I still have a right to express myself under the First Amendment, I am going to use it.

513 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:34pm

re: #479 Adina in Judea

Quite true.

I'm also concerned about how this relates to the existence of Israel as a Jewish nation. Jews are an ethnic group, too (even though Jews come in all colors known to mankind.)

It concerns me as well. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think ethnic groups and their countries should die out. I think Mexico should stay predominantly Mexican, Japan/Japanese, China/Chinese, etc.

514 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:08:41pm

re: #503 Bobibutu

Ops - not true. I did counter Code Pink at the Marine Recruiting office in Berkeley - but that was different.

515 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:09:26pm

I will not be intimidated by thugs. I had a large taste of that on Election Day, and I did not like it one bit. So I have decided not to cater to them or put up with their shit.

Your mileage may vary.

516 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:09:35pm
517 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:09:39pm

re: #507 capitalist piglet

Is there some evidence he was drunk? I didn't see that - I just saw someone say he supposedly was. Do we know this?

All I know is what was posted here. If he wasn't drunk, the only possible charge I could see is refusing to obey an cop's order or disturbing the peace.

518 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:09:45pm

re: #485 ciaospirit

I was at two different McCain rallies and there were people at each, inside the building of the rally, walking around in Obama t-shirts. No one bothered them.

I can believe that. I don't think the cops had it in their power to force the crowd not to be belligerent assholes. They did seem to be getting mob-ish.

519 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:10:40pm

re: #510 Iron Fist

Do you remember seeing the Code Pink bitch being escorted out of the Republican Convention? This was hardly any worse than that. You are making it sound as if he wore Hell's Angels colors to an Outlaw's funeral. Surely we can expect a little better performance from our electorate.

If we really can't, then the next four years are going to be worse than I'm expecting. Which is bad enough.

The crowd at the convention was not screaming and shouting and jumping up and down as if they were about to tear her to pieces.

520 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:10:56pm
Is there a term for what we want to do to protect European nations from being swallowed up by Islamists or is there not?

From what I learned at the link from the Origins of Life post earlier today at LGF, you need membranes.

Why are membranes so important for the RNA World? An early RNA replicase probably would not have a built-in way of differentiating between a replicase or non-replicase sequence, and as a result, will make a copy of any RNA that happens to be close by. Without some means of separating the replicases from the non-replicases, the population of replicases is unlikely to grow and prosper. This issue can be resolved if the replicases are placed within a compartment, such as a vesicle, which can physically separate the replicases from other RNAs.
521 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:01pm
522 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:03pm

re: #362 MandyManners

I've only watched the first minute so far but, it looks as if they're trying to keep him from being torn to pieces.

from those peaceful Obamites?

523 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:15pm

re: #491 mama winger

And this is how civilization collapses.

524 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:40pm

re: #517 MandyManners

All I know is what was posted here. If he wasn't drunk, the only possible charge I could see is refusing to obey an cop's order or disturbing the peace.

Unless I know it to be true, I have to operate on the premise that he wasn't drunk...but I think he could have been drunk and been allowed to stay, as long as he wasn't wearing that pesky McCain/Palin shirt.

So, the responsibility is on us, to keep our mouths shut and t-shirts plain - not on thugs, to resist the urge to beat the ___ out of us. That's a world turned upside down, to me.

525 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:47pm

re: #457 Iron Fist

Actually the last Klan rally that I can recall around here featured mort protestors than Klansmen, and their protest signs were very condemnatory of the Klan. If pro-Obama goons are permitted to intimidate and silence critics now, then we are in for a very dark period in our history.

I'll never forget the NY Post headline for a Klan rally in Manhattan:

SHEET HAPPENS

526 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:51pm

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

At least Mussolini had the trains running on time.

527 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:12:52pm

re: #516 buzzsawmonkey

I agree in principle, but will point out that the woman who, adhering to this principle, walks scantily clad through a bad neighborhood at night, trusting that everyone she meets will respect her person, is at best placing herself at risk.

Women are at risk every day, no matter what they wear or where they go. I was sexually assaulted in the middle of the day on a college campus while wearing jeans, a sweatshirt and a fall jacket.

I am not letting bullies dictate to me anymore. They have done their worse and I lived. I'll live now too.

I will not live my life cowering in fear. I refuse.

528 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:13:28pm

re: #498 stuiec

Plain ol' nationalism. You can be German, French or Italian these days and be descended from ancestors from Asia, Africa, Scandinavia... it ought not to depend on your ethnicity but rather on your affiliation to your nation's language and culture.

Is "nationalism" enough?

When the population becomes more Arab than German or French or Italian, then the "nationalism" for these countries will become Arab (with the Arabic language and the culture of Islam.)

Isn't there a term that would allow Germans, French and Italians to want their countries to remain German, French and Italian without sounding neo-Nazi?

529 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:13:53pm
530 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:55pm

re: #525 Alouette

SHEET HAPPENS

That may be the most awesome (and concise) news headline of all time.

531 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:14:59pm

re: #529 buzzsawmonkey

I applaud you. And I am sorry to hear about the assault.

Not as sorry as HE was.

532 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:11pm

re: #456 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, when I was in Korea circa 1968, I was fluent in Korean, and happened to come upon an 'ugly American', in the flesh... but this guy was balding, cigar-chomping, pot-bellied and wearing shorts while berating his (rented) girlfriend, on the sidewalk in the middle of the morning!

Noting the crowd gathering around him, I quietly walked around the periphery as he was arguing loudly in pidgin, and I told the Koreans "This isn't REALLY an American..." and they looked at me, got my message, and left.

Man, was HE ooogly!

When the crowd was nearly gone, I left too... and he was still arguing!

533 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:17pm
534 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:22pm

Evening everyone. What's going on?

535 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:24pm
536 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:52pm

re: #527 mama winger

Women are at risk every day, no matter what they wear or where they go. I was sexually assaulted in the middle of the day on a college campus while wearing jeans, a sweatshirt and a fall jacket.

I am not letting bullies dictate to me anymore. They have done their worse and I lived. I'll live now too.

I will not live my life cowering in fear. I refuse.

You are a patriot, mamawinger. Fear of the mob will cost us our liberty, if we succumb to it.

537 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:15:59pm

re: #533 buzzsawmonkey

Even better.

Burned himself up in a fire that he set his own self.

Who says God doesn't answer prayers :)

538 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:16:03pm

Yes, we have bingo! It's confirmed.

Vu de droite: Anthologie critique des idées contemporaines

/this is exactly the cover of the book Dewinter was carrying around and flashing for the cameras in last night's Nazi book club video, go back and contrast and compare if you doubt it

539 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:16:04pm

re: #506 buzzsawmonkey

When the Jews were emancipated under Napoleon, a French statesman--I forget who--famously said, "To the Jews as individuals--everything. To the Jews as a people--nothing."

It is worth reading Ahad Ha-Am's essay "Slavery in Freedom," written at the time of the Dreyfus trial, which discusses how well this worked out.

There is an argument that modern anti-Semitism traces at least part of its lineage to the French Revolution and the unwillingness of the Jews to become undifferentiated Frenchmen. However, there's been a certain amount of societal evolution since then, even in France -- and Germany.

At present, as far as I am aware, virtually all European countries permit full citizenship to people who are not ethnically similar to the historic residents of those countries. But of course, there are plenty of Europeans who feel that it's wrong to tolerate this ethnic diversity. I think that latter group of Europeans are atavistic and wrong.

540 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:16:21pm

re: #531 mama winger

Not as sorry as HE was.

Now that's what I like to see in a woman.

Men who assault women deserve everything they get from women like you and a whole hell of a lot more besides. I hope you got him right square in the nuts.

541 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:16:41pm

re: #510 Iron Fist

Do you remember seeing the Code Pink bitch being escorted out of the Republican Convention? This was hardly any worse than that. You are making it sound as if he wore Hell's Angels colors to an Outlaw's funeral. Surely we can expect a little better performance from our electorate.

If we really can't, then the next four years are going to be worse than I'm expecting. Which is bad enough.

The Code Pink bitch was not escorted out of the Republican Convention until she tried to storm the stage.

542 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:08pm

re: #524 capitalist piglet

Unless I know it to be true, I have to operate on the premise that he wasn't drunk...but I think he could have been drunk and been allowed to stay, as long as he wasn't wearing that pesky McCain/Palin shirt.

So, the responsibility is on us, to keep our mouths shut and t-shirts plain - not on thugs, to resist the urge to beat the ___ out of us. That's a world turned upside down, to me.

If he was drunk, the cops could not allow him to stay 'cause public drunikeness is a crime.

543 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:36pm
544 Joan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:40pm

re: #121 slartybartfast

I think it is okay to take note of a landmark: the first African-American elected President of the United States. I wasn't laughing to see Jesse Jackson break down at the news, I've actually met him and he isn't a powder puff. This is a huge moment for our fellow Americans. I hope something is made better and stronger, that some good can come of this turn of events. Let's watch, and wait, and hold up just a bit on the knee-jerk ridicule. This means a lot to a lot of good, good people.

545 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:50pm

re: #540 brotherofchronos

I hope you got him right square in the nuts.

I did not. I was too frightened, and I didn't know how to defend myself.

I am no longer frightened, and now I am a pretty good shot. :)

546 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:56pm

re: #528 Adina in Judea

Is "nationalism" enough?

When the population becomes more Arab than German or French or Italian, then the "nationalism" for these countries will become Arab (with the Arabic language and the culture of Islam.)

Isn't there a term that would allow Germans, French and Italians to want their countries to remain German, French and Italian without sounding neo-Nazi?

Let's look at it in reality. If the 'Arabs' move into a country legally...set up camp...expand. Whose fault is that? Can anyone be put at fault for that? If France speaks 'arabic' in the future due to 'numbers'...as long as the 'law of the land' is followed and the mechanisms of the market have dictated it to be such...there is no one to blame and now shoulders worth crying on over it.

547 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:17:58pm

re: #528 Adina in Judea

Is "nationalism" enough?

When the population becomes more Arab than German or French or Italian, then the "nationalism" for these countries will become Arab (with the Arabic language and the culture of Islam.)

Isn't there a term that would allow Germans, French and Italians to want their countries to remain German, French and Italian without sounding neo-Nazi?

Look, if they're not even interested enough to have a sustainable native-born birthrate, I'm not worried about them.

And I don't want to fight to protect those too damn lazy to do their own procreating.

548 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:07pm

re: #542 MandyManners

If he was drunk, the cops could not allow him to stay 'cause public drunikeness is a crime.

Over here it's entertainment...

549 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:14pm

re: #526 Sharmuta

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

I just don't know how I am "wildly misinterpreting" this statement above, as Mr. Spencer so nicely pointed out in his last email to email to me.

Yet, not once, in the last 3 emails from him, after making the above statement, has he explained to me what is the "correct" interpretation.

How can he argue that I don't understand him, yet he won't, can't or refuses to clarify his point?

As Realwest said in a email to me, he is using plausable deniability, over and over.

550 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:16pm

re: #517 MandyManners

All I know is what was posted here. If he wasn't drunk, the only possible charge I could see is refusing to obey an cop's order or disturbing the peace.

Philadelphia Police Sgt. Ray Evers told WND the man, whose name was not released, was arrested for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.

I'm not a big fan of WND but I'll assume that the police version is being reasonably accurately repeated.

551 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:25pm
552 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:28pm

re: #542 MandyManners

If he was drunk, the cops could not allow him to stay 'cause public drunikeness is a crime.

I swear I'm not trying to pick nits here, but don't you think some of those other people were probably drunk?

553 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:46pm

re: #535 Iron Fist

That's kind of my point. These are the same folks that have been shouting that "dissent is patriotism", now using the threat of violence to silence their opposition. If this continues it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to not have violent confrontations over the next four years.

I, for one, am not going to be told to shut up and sit down because they disagree with me.

I somehow doubt you would purposely go to a protest alone with a shirt that could very well piss off the mob.

554 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:18:59pm

re: #519 MandyManners

The crowd at the convention was not screaming and shouting and jumping up and down as if they were about to tear her to pieces.

Well, yeah. That's the point.

555 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:19:13pm

re: #528 Adina in Judea

The European far right blur the line between ethnicity and culture. The two are not the same thing. You can be American and a patriot regardless of race. If we want to preserve American culture, who should we expel? Blacks? Jews?

Europe has serious problems with uncontrolled immigration. Cultural assimilation should be the goal, not ethnic cleansing.

556 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:19:44pm

re: #542 MandyManners

If he was drunk, the cops could not allow him to stay 'cause public drunikeness is a crime.

In Philly? There are whole sections of town that would have to be arrested in the evenings. My kid lived there for a year and the tales of drunkeness were amazing. The South Street bar areas are loaded with cops.

557 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:19:49pm

re: #548 brotherofchronos

Over here it's entertainment...

LOL!

558 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:19:51pm
559 ArmyWife  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:03pm

re: #544 Joan

Great. I am happy to have broken through the racial divide. It remains to be seen if, in fact, those who like to claim race as a problem feel the same way. My fingers are very, very crossed for that, its time. Sit back and wait? Thanks, but no. This yahoo has promised to tax me to smithereens. I don't care WHAT color you are, I won't be happy about that.

560 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:05pm

re: #505 mama winger

I will go where I please, and wear what I please, and say what I please. If I am not allowed to do so, I expect that I will fight like hell.

I agree with you, toots, but to show up with his political leanings on a t-shirt on the fringe of a potential powderkeg could have cost him his life. The cops - heavy-handed and there's no excuse - had to remove him and I wonder if they did it that way to mime solidarity with same to protect themselves.

561 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:26pm

re: #488 Adina in Judea

Is there a term for what we want to do to protect European nations from being swallowed up by Islamists or is there not?

It's a simple question.

I'm not supporting "ethnic nationalism."

I'd like to know what the right term is since this term is being tied to neo-Nazis.

The only term I'm seeing is "anti-Jihad," which seems a bit vague.

Isn't there a term for the fight to save Europe that doesn't start with "anti"?

I really don't care what they call it- it's the ideologies involved that's the issue.

562 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:47pm

re: #550 Christopher Luebcke

Philadelphia Police Sgt. Ray Evers told WND the man, whose name was not released, was arrested for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.

I'm not a big fan of WND but I'll assume that the police version is being reasonably accurately repeated.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that. WND will dissemble and distort information as needed to promote their agenda -- I've seen it over and over. I finally got so sick of it I banned them from our spinoff links.

563 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:20:48pm

re: #546 Oh no...Sand People!

Let's look at it in reality. If the 'Arabs' move into a country legally...set up camp...expand. Whose fault is that? Can anyone be put at fault for that? If France speaks 'arabic' in the future due to 'numbers'...as long as the 'law of the land' is followed and the mechanisms of the market have dictated it to be such...there is no one to blame and now shoulders worth crying on over it.

I once read a dead tree article saying pretty much that. Guess who wrote it? that french guy, le pen... *shrug*

564 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:21:16pm

re: #551 buzzsawmonkey

Eggs Ackley!

/mine was a contrast, in order to underline your observations...
and reading "The Ugly American" is a good reference work!

565 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:21:19pm

re: #550 Christopher Luebcke

Philadelphia Police Sgt. Ray Evers told WND the man, whose name was not released, was arrested for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.

I'm not a big fan of WND but I'll assume that the police version is being reasonably accurately repeated.

You can be very drunk but better not be disorderly in a McCain T

566 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:21:21pm

re: #550 Christopher Luebcke

Philadelphia Police Sgt. Ray Evers told WND the man, whose name was not released, was arrested for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.

I'm not a big fan of WND but I'll assume that the police version is being reasonably accurately repeated.

Well, there you go.

567 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:21:25pm

re: #526 Sharmuta

At least Mussolini had the trains running on time.

Actually he couldn't even manage that. The trains-on-time bit is one of those truly immortal bits of propaganda.

568 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:07pm

However -- I think it's much more likely that he was indeed drunk and disorderly. I don't trust anything I see at WND.

569 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:38pm

re: #550 Christopher Luebcke
WorldnetDaily! AAGGHHH! My Eyes!

570 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:50pm

Are arrest records on-line? Court dockets?

571 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:22:53pm
572 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:03pm

re: #568 Charles

However -- I think it's much more likely that he was indeed drunk and disorderly. I don't trust anything I see at WND.

Probably some name calling and reactions from other imbibing locals

573 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:21pm
574 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:24pm

re: #560 Miss Trixie

Hey there Missy!

IMO they should arrest the people who commit violence and not the person who was simply wearing a T shirt.

They showed favoritism to the violent mob. I am afraid we will see more and more catering to Thug-dom, because we fear the thugs and what they may do to us if we disagree with them.

They are teaching us how to behave.

575 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:46pm

re: #549 Walter L. Newton

I just don't know how I am "wildly misinterpreting" this statement above, as Mr. Spencer so nicely pointed out in his last email to email to me.

Yet, not once, in the last 3 emails from him, after making the above statement, has he explained to me what is the "correct" interpretation.

How can he argue that I don't understand him, yet he won't, can't or refuses to clarify his point?

As Realwest said in a email to me, he is using plausable deniability, over and over.

Interesting- I used plausible deniability last night. Frankly- I think he's been using this tactic since last year. He never repudiate pamela, and in fact defended her. He never had any intention of denouncing these parties. His intention was to bullshit us as long as he could, and now that we've figured that out- he's pissed.

Too bad, robert. Enjoy the fleas.

576 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:23:53pm

re: #553 MandyManners

I somehow doubt you would purposely go to a protest alone with a shirt that could very well piss off the mob.

It's dependent on the character of the 'mob'. As in this case. I wouldn't go downtown near Target Center after a rap concert. After a Metal concert? Sure, been part of the 'mob' many times. Little to no violence.

577 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:24:09pm

re: #555 Killgore Trout

re: #528 Adina in Judea

The European far right blur the line between ethnicity and culture. The two are not the same thing. You can be American and a patriot regardless of race. If we want to preserve American culture, who should we expel? Blacks? Jews?

Europe has serious problems with uncontrolled immigration. Cultural assimilation should be the goal, not ethnic cleansing.

If there isn't a positive term to use (rather than 'anti-Jihad') about trying to help European countries be encouraged to prevent being swallowed up by Islamists as their culture is lost - then perhaps a term should be invented.

"Nationalism" could apply to anything (including a country swallowed up by Islam.)

It's just my opinion, but I think the move to try to help save Europe is going to be more difficult without a clear message and more positive terms.

578 tradewind  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:24:27pm

re: #562 Charles

It's not a particularly reliable website, to put it mildly.

579 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:24:51pm

re: #563 brotherofchronos

I once read a dead tree article saying pretty much that. Guess who wrote it? that french guy, le pen... *shrug*

If they play by the rules and win...it's still a win. The 'IF' part is where I am skeptical given Islam's track record.

580 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:25:27pm

re: #564 Karridine

...and Buzz? Don't hold your breath on the misuse of "Ugly American" ending...

The people who believe "Ugly American" means "ANY Patriotic, Non-Liberal American Overseas" are not about to disabuse themselves of their received wisdom... its one precious crutch in their closet-full of crippled memes!

581 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:26:00pm

re: #511 wolfie

So that's who gave me this cold.
Gah.

Sorry! I thought the second round of antibiotics to knock out the coincidental sinus infection would prevent me from being contagious. My humblest apologies.

582 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:26:02pm

I saw this thugdom in action myself on Tuesday, when ACORN called the cops on the pastor or the church which was the polling station. They did not like the sign on the church lawn. The cops came and told the Pastor he was in the right, but so as to NOT CAUSE TROUBLE he should probably take it down.

Like I said, they are teaching us how to behave. How to sit quietly and not make a fuss.

583 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:26:07pm
584 tradewind  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:26:20pm

Did anyone catch the Al Jazeera US rep on Cspan this morning talking about Rahm?
I wonder if maybe the Pals doth protest a little too much...

585 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:27:02pm

re: #582 mama winger

I saw this thugdom in action myself on Tuesday, when ACORN called the cops on the pastor or the church which was the polling station. They did not like the sign on the church lawn. The cops came and told the Pastor he was in the right, but so as to NOT CAUSE TROUBLE he should probably take it down.

Like I said, they are teaching us how to behave. How to sit quietly and not make a fuss.

They get pissed when 16 plus years in 'academia' doesn't do it's job...

586 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:27:10pm

re: #561 Sharmuta

I really don't care what they call it- it's the ideologies involved that's the issue.

It can be difficult to explain an ideology without having defined terms for it.

587 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:27:33pm
588 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:27:36pm

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Yes and now (just a few minutes ago, he says I don't understand his statement...

"Thank you for your kind note. In fact I no longer read LGF at all, and only saw your statement when it was forwarded to me. You are in this jumping to conclusions. Likewise in regard to the statement I sent to you: you are wildly misinterpreting it." (Robert Spencer - email sent to me Sun 11/9/2008 5:48 PM)

So, I ask the Lizards. How would you understand this statement?

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

Someone tell me!

Given the above information, I still think his statements are indefensible. It sounds like he is trying to justify playing with the devil to himself: "I'm still one of the good guys, I just need some help." He probably isn't truly a neo-nazi or white supremacist, he has just convinced himself that we need their help to preserve western society. I believe that advancing Nazism, even passively or as an aside, is not saving western society, but choosing another way to destroy it. I tend to be a somewhat Euro-centric cultural imperialist, but not to the point of advancing the hell-spawned ideology of that mad Austrian corporal. I am disheartened that Mr. Spencer has rationalized to himself that it is permissible to dance with the devil.

589 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:27:40pm

re: #489 Iron Fist

Reverse the skin colors and party affiliations, and you would be talking about a nation-wide civil rights scandal, with a major class-action lawsuit being filed against the police. Are we really going to lose equal protection under the law in an Obama Regiem?

It is beginning to sound like it.

We've been heading away from equal protection since the first 'hate crime' laws were established.

Some are more equal than others...

590 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:27:46pm

re: #582 mama winger

What did the sign say?

591 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:28:09pm

re: #569 Oh no...Sand People!

WorldnetDaily! AAGGHHH! My Eyes!

WorldNutDaily.

592 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:28:23pm

re: #538 Killian Bundy

Yes, we have bingo! It's confirmed.

Vu de droite: Anthologie critique des idées contemporaines

/this is exactly the cover of the book Dewinter was carrying around and flashing for the cameras in last night's Nazi book club video, go back and contrast and compare if you doubt it

/about the author, makes perfect sense why Dewinter was touting it

593 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:28:24pm

re: #383 brotherofchronos

I didn't get involved in this thing because it wasn't my fight, but I can't believe that spencer would go "bad" or neo-nazi or anything like that. it doesn't make any sense.

Well, I read spencer's writing on this and frankly, he makes a good point. Go read the full translation of the video. seriously. This Strømmen guy is feeding you a line on this one, the translation of the video is completely different to what he said it was.

Right. And I suppose DeWinter's appearance at a pub flaunting an SS symbol was also just a coincidence and a fluke.

Like the dozens of other coincidences and flukes that seem to follow DeWinter everywhere he goes.

594 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:28:32pm

re: #569 Oh no...Sand People!

WorldnetDaily! AAGGHHH! My Eyes!

I know, I know--it's just the only even remotely journalistic account I could find about it.

Sorry, I mean "journalistic", with the scare quotes.

595 SpartanWoman  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:29:36pm

re: #584 tradewind

Did anyone catch the Al Jazeera US rep on Cspan this morning talking about Rahm?
I wonder if maybe the Pals doth protest a little too much...

Rahm will have no influence on the ME crises, he's all window-dressing

596 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:29:49pm

My contribution to 52to48 was rejected because I didn't show a picture of myself holding my statement. No thank you. I work with moonbats and don't want to get fired---at least not until May.

597 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:30:24pm

re: #528 Adina in Judea

Is "nationalism" enough?

When the population becomes more Arab than German or French or Italian, then the "nationalism" for these countries will become Arab (with the Arabic language and the culture of Islam.)

Isn't there a term that would allow Germans, French and Italians to want their countries to remain German, French and Italian without sounding neo-Nazi?

Then call it cultural nationalism. If the Israeli Arabs in Northern Israel spoke Hebrew and conformed to Israeli cultural and legal norms in everything except religious practice, would you not accept them as Israelis? If the residents of Clichy-sous-Bois all decided to put their French identity first and their country of origin second, all adopted French as a first language and comported themselves as French citizens, should they nevertheless be held to be second-class citizens based on their religion or country of origin?

The problem in many European nations is that immigrant communities are not held to a standard that requires them to teach their children to speak the national language and adopt the national culture. And as you describe, when these enclaves become more populous than the "surrounding" areas of the national culture, then the national culture ceases to hold a position of primacy.

598 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:30:39pm

re: #587 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Karridine, did you see #175 above? Music for you...

I don't even think I can SAY "Agitate Topeka for Obama Day!", let alone SING IT!

/thanks, Buzz, I'll see what I can do... :D

599 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:30:41pm

re: #586 Adina in Judea

It can be difficult to explain an ideology without having defined terms for it.

We have "fascism", "islamofascism", "democracy", "socialism", "individualism", "collectivism", "communism". There are plenty of manes for the existing ideologies involved. I'm not sure why it's suddenly incumbent upon me or anyone else to coin a new term for the same ideologies that are already locking horns.

600 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:30:43pm

re: #527 mama winger

I will not live my life cowering in fear. I refuse.

A friend asked me if it was worth it to have put the McCain/Palin sign in my yard and then get vandalized and the car broken into. Said I should have not put the sign out. I said that today they attack us for having a McCain sign. If we submit, tomorrow they'll attack us for not having an Obama sign in our yard or whatever they deem to be appropriate behavior. I'm not happy about being out $800, but I'm not going to be bullied out of my free speech rights.

601 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:30:48pm

re: #593 Charles

Right. And I suppose DeWinter's appearance at a pub flaunting an SS symbol was also just a coincidence and a fluke.

Like the dozens of other coincidences and flukes that seem to follow DeWinter everywhere he goes.

I'm not defending that. I'm simply saying that the video was badly translated, which could be used to cast doubt on your other evidence. I don't understand why you would want to take that risk.

602 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:31:16pm

re: #590 Pvt Bin Jammin

What did the sign say?

The sign said "Pray for an End to Abortion". It was 230 feet from the entrance to the pollling place, well beyond the 100 ft rule. It also contained no name of any candidate, or even the word "VOTE"

ACORN said the sign would intimidate Obama voters.

It mattered not to them what the election laws stated, or that the cops told them that the church was within its legal rights. All that mattered was that 'they FELT intimidated".

I told them I also felt intimidated by their big fat Chicago asses. In so many words ...

603 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:31:17pm

re: #593 Charles

Good ol' Pat Buchanon...

How did that man get a soap box on anything?

604 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:31:20pm

re: #574 mama winger

Hey there Missy!

IMO they should arrest the people who commit violence and not the person who was simply wearing a T shirt.

They showed favoritism to the violent mob. I am afraid we will see more and more catering to Thug-dom, because we fear the thugs and what they may do to us if we disagree with them.

They are teaching us how to behave.

Indeed, luv. Just wait until The One paves the way for Reparations. Sh*t? Meet fan.

BTW - new avatar just for fun. :)

605 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:32:04pm

re: #599 Sharmuta

Er- that should be names. My fingers aren't working well today.

606 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:32:08pm

On a different topic, how do you reckon the media will spin the coming shortfall in Armed Forces recruiting?

Maybe there won't be one, but...

607 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:32:45pm

re: #604 Miss Trixie

BTW - new avatar just for fun. :)

LOL LOL OH I can't BREATHE ! LOL

608 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:33:00pm

re: #601 brotherofchronos

I'm not defending that. I'm simply saying that the video was badly translated, which could be used to cast doubt on your other evidence. I don't understand why you would want to take that risk.

At this point, it's far beyond any nitpicking that comes from those people. Let them go ahead and "cast doubt" all they like - it's all they have left.

609 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:33:02pm

re: #606 razorbacker

Inadequate 'sacrifice'

/spit

610 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:33:14pm

re: #588 David IV of Georgia

... I am disheartened that Mr. Spencer has rationalized to himself that it is permissible to dance with the devil.

So am I. I emailed him directly, not really interested in the LGF/JW debate. I wanted to cut to the chase and simply ask him his opinion about the various European nationalist groups. That was all I asked, not more, not less and not even framing it as part of the back and forth that was going on between LGF and JW. And that was his simple, answer. With no explanation and with no qualifiers. How else would you understand his answer...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied."

611 Christopher Luebcke  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:34:34pm

re: #602 mama winger

The sign said "Pray for an End to Abortion".

Hell, I pray for an end to abortion and I think it ought to remain legal. That's ridiculous.

612 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:35:30pm

re: #611 Christopher Luebcke

Hell, I pray for an end to abortion and I think it ought to remain legal. That's ridiculous.

I told them that they had no right to come into our town, into our state, and tell us what we could and could not pray for.

613 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:36:39pm

re: #607 mama winger

LOL LOL OH I can't BREATHE ! LOL

:D

614 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:36:50pm

re: #602 mama winger

"I told them I also felt intimidated by their big fat Chicago asses. In so many words ..."

LOL Good for you!

I'm greatful we didn't have any real problems at our polling place. The big complaints we had were about the ants coming out of cracks on the sidewalk outside. It had rained for the first time in months.

615 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:24pm

re: #613 Miss Trixie

:D

Excellent choice, m'dear.

616 brotherofchronos  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:24pm

re: #608 Charles

At this point, it's far beyond any nitpicking that comes from those people. Let them go ahead and "cast doubt" all they like - it's all they have left.

Nevertheless, the translation was wrong. It's not right, charles. I realise it's your site and you can do what you like with it but I can't see any moral justification in using what is effectively manufactured evidence to prove this. The video says one thing. The translation you were provided with says something completely different. If you're not careful it could bounce back at you.

I'm just asking you to consider it.

And now, bed, since I have to work tomorrow. joy...

617 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:28pm

I also told them that by their logic they were saying that Obama does not want to see an end to abortion, but rather would like to see it continue.

This is where it got a little testy.

618 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:34pm

re: #600 ciaospirit

"First, they came for my yard sign, but I didn't say anything...

...then they came for my children, but that was just about school...

...then they came asking for another 100 hours of 'voluntary' service...
(and I didn't speak out because their brown shirts and truncheons were quite scary!)

...then they came to get my neighbor, for "Sensitivity Classes" in that camp...

...then they came for ME...

...but there was no-one to speak up for me, by then..."

619 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:37:47pm

re: #607 mama winger

LOL LOL OH I can't BREATHE ! LOL

Me neither! roflol!
Miss Trixie, that's hilarious. :D

620 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:38:25pm

re: #601 brotherofchronos

I'm not defending that. I'm simply saying that the video was badly translated, which could be used to cast doubt on your other evidence. I don't understand why you would want to take that risk.

Huh? Why do so many people, when in the mental state of denial, do all that they can to find the '1%' reason to overlook the 99% proof positive that something is what it is.

Analogy: Obama has horrible ties to horrible people. Undisputed. Obama has said and written some very stupid things. Undisputed. He is 100% proven to be an upcoming train wreck. There isn't even the '1%' to justify the 'belief' in him. Yet somehow the 'believers' are willing to do anything, twist themselves in liberal mental contortions to buy into what he has to say. In the event that even the slightest 'fragrance' of something wafts there direction to 'validate' the yearning for their 'belief' they then feel vindicated and absolution for all the 100% faults are granted. I don't get it.

Any psychologists know what I am trying to get at?

621 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:38:42pm

re: #615 vxbush

Excellent choice, m'dear.

Are you feeling better, luv?

622 suasponte  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:38:44pm

re: #553 MandyManners

I somehow doubt you would purposely go to a protest alone with a shirt that could very well piss off the mob.

While we try not to piss off the mob, Steve Lipski, a New Jersey councilman who happens to be a Democrat, feels comfortable pissing ON the crowd.

"Yes, I am a Democrat, but I have always put people before politics", Lipski said when he announced his run for rmayor of Jersey City.

623 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:39:09pm

re: #551 buzzsawmonkey

As I observed upthread, the eponymous "ugly American" whence the term derives was an admirable figure, who lived with the people whose confidence he was trying to win and who won their confidence by treating them with respect.

I urge people to find and read the novel by that name--both because it still has relevance, and because it will perhaps help lay the misuse of that term to rest.

Nothing will lay the misuse of that term to rest -- as I tried to imply with my citation of 'Bambi,' the misuse has far outpaced the original accurate meaning, and so now the idiom "ugly American" connotes a person like Karradine's Korean acquaintance and not what Burdick and Lederer meant by the title character. (It probably didn't help that they included this passage in the novel: "For some reason, the people I meet in my country are not the same as the ones I knew in the United States. A mysterious change seems to come over Americans when they go to a foreign land. They isolate themselves socially. They live pretentiously. They're loud and ostentatious.")

624 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:39:59pm

re: #617 mama winger

I also told them that by their logic they were saying that Obama does not want to see an end to abortion, but rather would like to see it continue.

This is where it got a little testy.

Of course it did. You used reason and ration on them. I get the feeling that they're driven by little but emotion.

625 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:40:04pm

re: #619 gop_patriot

Me neither! roflol!
Miss Trixie, that's hilarious. :D

Ain't it a stinker? LOL! :D

626 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:40:21pm

By the way Charles, if you don't mind answering, Have you ever met or played with Roger McGuinn?

I found him to be a really nice guy, easy to work with and a gentle soul. Now, without going into ANY details, some of his "people" were a bit micro-managers.

But overall, they got what they needed, I got their basic cooperation and the audience got a wonderful show. Hell, we seat 136 patrons, and no one is more than 4 rows from the stage, and a 3 sided thrust. Very intimate, almost like a house concert.

The only thing I missed was the harmonies on some of the Byrds more well know tunes. But there was a number of times he enjoined the audience to sing along, and there was a number of audience members laying down the harmony parts.

And we do it again tomorrow night.

627 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:00pm

re: #528 Adina in Judea

Is "nationalism" enough?

When the population becomes more Arab than German or French or Italian, then the "nationalism" for these countries will become Arab (with the Arabic language and the culture of Islam.)

Isn't there a term that would allow Germans, French and Italians to want their countries to remain German, French and Italian without sounding neo-Nazi?


NO. Whatever term you choose, sooner or later, it will be demonized by leftist propaganda.
There is a superficial inconsistency to the Left. It weeps over the demise of Breton and Navaho cultures; it demands profound respect for any immigrant's customs, language, and religion. And yet it has rabid contempt for the desire of the English to preserve the Englishness of England or for the Jews to preserve the Jewishness of Israel. It declares itself post-national and scoffs at patriots, yet it embraces fictional nations like Palestine and happily legitimizes racial holidays like Kwanzaa.
It is my opinion that the key to understanding the Left is in the jingle Jesse Jackson and his marchers chanted at Stanford: HEY HEY HO HO, WESTERN CIV HAS GOT TO GO. The key is their cultural revolution against the West, which is to say the destruction of Western culture, of Athens, of Rome, and above all, of Jerusalem.

The term that I would use in place of "ethnic nationalism" is "cultural preservation." But as I say, we could call it roses and the image-makers would make it stink.

628 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:04pm

re: #620 Oh no...Sand People!

Any psychologists know what I am trying to get at?

At least 3-5 years if Obama's brownshirts have their way.
/

629 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:04pm

Obama said that Robert Malley would play no formal role but :

Report: Obama Sends Advisor Malley to Cozy Up to Egypt and Syria
by Gil Ronen

(IsraelNN.com) According to a report on Middle East Newsline, President-elect Barack Obama has dispatched his "senior foreign policy adviser", Robert Malley to Egypt and Syria to outline Obama's policy on the Middle East.

Malley reportedly relayed a promise from Obama that the United States would seek to enhance relations with Cairo and reconcile differences with Damascus.

"The tenor of the messages was that the Obama administration would take into greater account Egyptian and Syrian interests," an aide to Malley was quoted as saying. The aide said Obama plans to launch a U.S. diplomatic initiative toward Syria. Malley met both Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad "to explain Obama's agenda for the Middle East."


F-16s for Egypt
Aides to Malley also said that Obama told Mubarak that the United States would maintain military and civilian aid and sell advanced F-16 aircraft to Cairo. Egypt has not ordered F-16s in nearly a decade.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

630 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:10pm

re: #624 MandyManners

I wanted to SMACKEM

631 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:28pm
632 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:33pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

By the way Charles, if you don't mind answering, Have you ever met or played with Roger McGuinn?

I found him to be a really nice guy, easy to work with and a gentle soul. Now, without going into ANY details, some of his "people" were a bit micro-managers.

But overall, they got what they needed, I got their basic cooperation and the audience got a wonderful show. Hell, we seat 136 patrons, and no one is more than 4 rows from the stage, and a 3 sided thrust. Very intimate, almost like a house concert.

The only thing I missed was the harmonies on some of the Byrds more well know tunes. But there was a number of times he enjoined the audience to sing along, and there was a number of audience members laying down the harmony parts.

And we do it again tomorrow night.

I met him once a long long time ago, never played with him.

633 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:38pm

re: #391 MandyManners

Couldn't someone say it's akin to shouting "FIRE" in a theatre?

Wow.
I will wear whatever I want wherever I want.
Would an Obama supporter be treated the same way if the situation were reversed.
NO.

634 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:41:52pm

re: #621 Miss Trixie

Are you feeling better, luv?

Maybe. It's hard to say. I'm back on prednisone, so I have a little bit of energy, and I'm on a howitzer of an antibiotic, so in theory I should be getting better. But the better question is going to be, how will I feel once I'm off the meds? We shall see at the end of the week.

But enough about me: you good? You can still get out of your house and through the snow or ice?

635 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:42:03pm

Drunk and disorderly in a McCain Tee shirt seems perfectly rational to me...

636 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:42:20pm

re: #543 Iron Fist

"One horselaugh is worth a thousand syllogisms."- HL Mencken

637 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:42:56pm
638 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:42:56pm

re: #632 Charles

I met him once a long long time ago, never played with him.

Thanks for your answer.

639 YankeeBoy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:43:06pm

good evening Lizards.

A little country music for ya...

640 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:43:39pm

Way OT: New Target tv ad. Christina Aguilera as a bleached blonde.
Ay yi yi.

641 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:43:51pm

re: #571 buzzsawmonkey

Noted.

642 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:43:58pm

re: #592 Killian Bundy

His critics, such as Thomas Sheehan, argue that Benoist has developed a novel restatement of fascism. Roger Griffin, using an ideal type definition of fascism which includes "populist ultra-nationalism" and "palingenesis" (heroic rebirth), argues that the Nouvelle Droite draws on such "fascist" ideologues as Armin Mohler and Julius Evola in a way that allows Nouvelle Droite ideologues such as de Benoist to claim a "metapolitical" stance, but which nonetheless has residual "fascistic" ideological elements.[20] Benoist's critics also claim his views recall Nazi attempts to replace German Christianity with its own paganism.[21]

So Spencer has confirmed for us that Dewinter was buying a Nazi book. Thanks, Bob.

643 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:44:05pm

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

At the risk of getting the nitpick title for this thread, I will point out that the correct phrase is "FALSELY shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre."

What about going to an ODL rally and shouting 'TYRANNY'!

644 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:44:07pm

re: #639 YankeeBoy

good evening Lizards.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

A little country music for ya...

Me likey.

645 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:44:20pm

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

At the risk of getting the nitpick title for this thread, I will point out that the correct phrase is "FALSELY shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre."

Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick, Nitpick...

646 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:44:47pm

re: #597 stuiec

We must fight tooth and nail to keep the same thing from happening here.
The trend is already toward the European way.

647 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:44:50pm

Vu de droite : Anthologie critique des idées contemporaines (Broché)

Ooh, listed but not even available in France, forget about Kindle.

/relegated to Nazi book clubs

648 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:45:05pm

I have a nit, but nobody wants to pick it.

649 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:45:26pm

Well, enjoy your days / evenings all.

Later.

650 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:45:32pm

re: #629 Opinionated

Obama said that Robert Malley would play no formal role but :

Report: Obama Sends Advisor Malley to Cozy Up to Egypt and Syria
by Gil Ronen


[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

If the report is true, and you wonder who Robert Malley is, he is this guy:

Barack Obama sacks adviser over talks with Hamas

One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

Robert Malley told The Times that he had been in regular contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza and is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think-tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama’s Middle East advisory council.

“I’ve never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people,” he added.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly: “Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.” The rapid departure of Mr Malley followed 48 hours of heated clashes between John McCain, the Republican nominee-elect, and Mr Obama over Middle East policy.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

651 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:45:53pm

re: #648 mama winger

I have a nit, but nobody wants to pick it.

Oh, I will... ah, never mind.

652 Racer X  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:46:03pm

re: #622 suasponte

While we try not to piss off the mob, Steve Lipski, a New Jersey councilman who happens to be a Democrat, feels comfortable pissing ON the crowd.

"Yes, I am a Democrat, but I have always put people before politics", Lipski said when he announced his run for rmayor of Jersey City.

Unbelievable. 930 on a Friday and the dude is totally drunk - and pissing on people in a public place. He should be kicked out of public office for this crap.

653 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:46:06pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Man arrested in Philly for wearing a McCain/Palin t-shirt

Via Ace.

This is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause.

654 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:46:30pm

re: #650 Opinionated

He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.”

We should start a list.

655 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:46:58pm

re: #626 Walter L. Newton

Wow. That's worth flying out (Denver? wherever..) to see.

656 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:02pm

re: #650 Opinionated

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Obama is thinking that the 1/2 of America who didn't vote for him as is dense as the 1/2 that did - in fact, he's counting on it.

657 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:03pm

re: #630 mama winger

I wanted to SMACKEM

I'm glad you didn't.

658 capitalist piglet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:06pm

re: #650 Opinionated

Can Samantha Power be far behind?

659 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:15pm

re: #633 Typicalwhitey

Wow.
I will wear whatever I want wherever I want.
Would an Obama supporter be treated the same way if the situation were reversed.
NO.

The term 'bloodlust' came to mind, Typical... they were a mob, and the cops knew it!

660 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:37pm

re: #633 Typicalwhitey

Wow.
I will wear whatever I want wherever I want.
Would an Obama supporter be treated the same way if the situation were reversed.
NO.

Compare the two crowds.

661 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:52pm

re: #634 vxbush

Maybe. It's hard to say. I'm back on prednisone, so I have a little bit of energy, and I'm on a howitzer of an antibiotic, so in theory I should be getting better. But the better question is going to be, how will I feel once I'm off the meds? We shall see at the end of the week.

But enough about me: you good? You can still get out of your house and through the snow or ice?

Smartypants!

Considering it's November in the Great White North and we had half a foot of snow two weeks ago, things are just fine. All the white schtuff has disappeared, the grass is green, the maples are bare and my miniature roses still bloom in my courtyard.

Can't complain until I have to sit on my hands and type with my nose - but then there's always realwest to help out when I need him.

:D

662 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:47:59pm

OK, uploaded a new avatar for Veteran's Day.

Let me know if y'all can see it, and/or think it's appropriate. I have another I might use, also.

663 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:02pm

re: #657 MandyManners

I'm glad you didn't.

grumblegrumble

664 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:17pm

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

At the risk of getting the nitpick title for this thread, I will point out that the correct phrase is "FALSELY shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theatre."

NITPICKER!

*rad*

665 Islandlibertarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:34pm

re: #648 mama winger

I have a nit, but nobody wants to pick it.

Try Pyronate A-200

666 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:34pm

re: #662 gop_patriot

OK, uploaded a new avatar for Veteran's Day.

Let me know if y'all can see it, and/or think it's appropriate. I have another I might use, also.

Am I supposed to be seeing the lady in the sweater ?

667 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:37pm

Good evening, Lizards.

668 YankeeBoy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:54pm

#644 mama winger

Glad you liked it.

669 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:48:57pm

re: #652 Racer X

Unbelievable. 930 on a Friday and the dude is totally drunk - and pissing on people in a public place. He should be kicked out of public office for this crap.

No, in jersey, it means he will get a bigger percentage of the vote next time. The corruption in New Jersey is so pervasive that voters flock to those most corrupt, even indicted politicians. Nothing seems to be too seedy, too grotesquely political to derail a democrat politician.

670 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:49:21pm

re: #659 Karridine

The term 'bloodlust' came to mind, Typical... they were a mob, and the cops knew it!


And I am a hardheaded bitch.
NO ONE will tell me what to wear or when.

If they wanted to remove him for his safety, they should have taken him to his car.
Not handcuffed him and arrested him.

671 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:49:38pm

re: #655 Jim in Virginia

Wow. That's worth flying out (Denver? wherever..) to see.

Golden, Co. Sorry, Monday night is sold out (so was todays show). McGuinn has 10 comp seats, but I don't think is is going to us all of them. Tell me when your plane is coming in!

Miners Alley Playhouse
1224 Washington St. Suite 200
Golden CO 80401-1145

672 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:50:07pm

re: #667 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Heya dere howya doin ?

673 tradewind  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:50:26pm

re: #593 Charles

If it goose-steps waddles like a duck...

674 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:50:48pm

re: #667 goddessoftheclassroom

Hiya' toots!

675 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:50:58pm

re: #671 Walter L. Newton

OHHH ! You are Walter in Golden CO !

676 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:51:01pm

re: #667 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

HI

677 WhiteRasta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:51:11pm

re: #653 abolitionist

I disagree with you there.

Dude was removed from a potentially dangerous situation. The mob may have harmed him if the cops did not remove him.

678 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:51:13pm

re: #662 gop_patriot

OK, uploaded a new avatar for Veteran's Day.

Let me know if y'all can see it, and/or think it's appropriate. I have another I might use, also.

Very nice!

679 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:51:35pm

re: #675 mama winger

OHHH ! You are Walter in Golden CO !

Let me look... ... ... yep, it's still me!

680 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:52:20pm

re: #650 Opinionated

Well, it didn't take much time for him to crawl out from under his rock.

681 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:52:30pm

re: #677 WhiteRasta

I disagree with you there.

Dude was removed from a potentially dangerous situation. The mob may have harmed him if the cops did not remove him.

And here I thought that if you were attacked by a mob, the MOB is the one who is breaking the law.
Silly me.

682 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:52:41pm

re: #671 Walter L. Newton
I know you'll have a good time. I hope you make a bunch of money too.

683 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:52:49pm

re: #666 mama winger

Am I supposed to be seeing the lady in the sweater ?

Oh, nope, need to clear your cache first. :)

684 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:00pm

re: #662 gop_patriot

OK, uploaded a new avatar for Veteran's Day.

Let me know if y'all can see it, and/or think it's appropriate. I have another I might use, also.

Love. IT. That's one of my favorite memorials that brings tears to my eyes. I saw it in Arlington when I lived in VA and I've never forgotten how inspiring it was.

685 Max Darkside  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:08pm

UK's Brown says: Now is the time to build global society
Max Darkside says: BITE ME

686 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:09pm

re: #662 gop_patriot

Me likey.

687 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #654 mama winger

We should start a list.

You do it, I'm too depressed.

688 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:25pm

re: #642 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the tip.

/made it a lot easier to find it for certain

689 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:53:36pm

re: #661 Miss Trixie

Smartypants!

Considering it's November in the Great White North and we had half a foot of snow two weeks ago, things are just fine. All the white schtuff has disappeared, the grass is green, the maples are bare and my miniature roses still bloom in my courtyard.

Can't complain until I have to sit on my hands and type with my nose - but then there's always realwest to help out when I need him.

:D

Geez. I'm already doing that, and it's only 30 outside. Winter is getting harder and harder. As for being a smartypants, there's a reason why I got second degree. :D

690 Dustyvet  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:55:24pm

re: #653 abolitionist

This is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause.

And so it begins...

691 WhiteRasta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:55:25pm

re: #681 Typicalwhitey

Get used to the new hope and change, my friend.

The victim is the criminal and the criminal is the victim.

692 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:55:28pm

Goddess, dear, good to see you. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, check out my new avatar for a giggle. :D

693 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:55:56pm

re: #681 Typicalwhitey

And here I thought that if you were attacked by a mob, the MOB is the one who is breaking the law.
Silly me.

Police have the power to prevent crimes.

694 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:55:56pm

re: #692 Miss Trixie

Goddess, dear, good to see you. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, check out my new avatar for a giggle. :D

Oh, do! I want to get your reaction, goddess. :-)

695 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:56:01pm

re: #671 Walter L. Newton

Are you going to publish your play or have some way for us to access it after the reading? It sounds good and I am very intrigued.

696 JCM  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:56:33pm

Evening gang,

Anyone see Drudge on this...


Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact

Hang on we are about to experience some turbulence.

697 Mithrax  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:03pm

As a lurker, a long time one too, I gotta say Miss Trixie, that looks like my cat :P

698 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:07pm

re: #678 Jim in Virginia

re: #684 Miss Trixie

re: #686 mama winger

Thanks. Veteran's Day is also my birthday, so I've always been aware of the holiday; my parents made sure I knew all about it and how important it was ever since I was a little girl.

699 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:15pm

re: #691 WhiteRasta

Get used to the new hope and change, my friend.

The victim is the criminal and the criminal is the victim.


"Say hello to my little friend" LOL
That would be my ATTORNEY if anyone ever arrests me for wearing a tshirt.

700 Geepers  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:15pm

Opinionated (#650),

From your link:

One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

,until after the elections, then it's a hardy "Fuck You" morons.

Obama is a liar and a cheat.

And sorry Joan at #544, but I'm not going to "not ridicule" Obama so as not to hurt someone's feelings.

That's how this election was lost in the first place.

701 JCM  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:20pm

re: #692 Miss Trixie

Goddess, dear, good to see you. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, check out my new avatar for a giggle. :D

ROFlMAO!

702 Capitalistincharge  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:37pm

re: #299 sevoguy
As a small business owner I want to thank you for such an idea! So, I will then probably have to declare bankruptcy so you can prove your stupid point. Nice way to think through an idea buddy. Remember the law of unintended consequences when you propose stuff.

703 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:57:56pm

re: #692 Miss Trixie

Goddess, dear, good to see you. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, check out my new avatar for a giggle. :D

OMG, I LOVE IT! Has pre-Boomer Marine brat seen it?

{dear Lizards}

704 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:10pm

re: #699 Typicalwhitey

"Say hello to my little friend" LOL
That would be my ATTORNEY if anyone ever arrests me for wearing a tshirt.

He was arrested for public drunkeness and disorderly conduct.

705 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:24pm
"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." (Robert Spencer - email dated Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM)

I interpret this to mean he applauds them for fighting jihad, and he willfully turns a blind eye to anything else.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a big reason why the nazis and fascism took hold the last time? That good men turned a blind eye and did nothing?

706 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:25pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, if anyone is romping their way through Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will, they should watch Stand Up and Cheer as a little reality check.

Stand Up and Cheer features Warner Baxter as "Secretary of Entertainment" who is going to help America laugh its way out of the Depression. It has a pretty good performance by Tess Gardella, an Italian woman who performed in blackface as "Aunt Jemima"--and who, btw, was well thought of at the time by other black performers. Shirley Temple and Stepin Fetchit, among others, appear in the film.

Anyway, at the end, just when things look blackest, somebody rushes into Baxter's office and says, "Mr. Secretary! Mr. Secretary! Your program worked! We're out of the red!" Which is the cue for a really big finale production number called "We're Out of the Red."

Why mention this? Because the production number features marching work brigades of people in characteristic costume from all walks of life--bakers and butchers and the like. The aesthetic is exactly the same as that of the work brigades holding spades and picks in Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will, chanting "Ein volk--ein Fuhrer!"--with, of course, a little Hollywood gloss.

Here is the movie's page at IMDB. I've stored the URL shortcut in my movies-I-might-like folder for future consideration.

707 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:38pm

re: #696 JCM

Evening gang,

Anyone see Drudge on this...


Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact

Hang on we are about to experience some turbulence.

But I thought that was a bad thing to do...oh wait...it's ok if the fresh prince of bill ayers does it

708 vxbush  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:40pm

re: #703 goddessoftheclassroom

OMG, I LOVE IT! Has pre-Boomer Marine brat seen it?

{dear Lizards}

Don't think so.

Well, my work is done here. I gotta go put the son to bed. See you tomorrow, folks.

709 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:55pm

Speaking of Veterans

Today is the 8th of November

710 Spider Mensch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:58:56pm

re: #696 JCM

Evening gang,

Anyone see Drudge on this...


Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact

Hang on we are about to experience some turbulence.

turbulence...?..heck man we hit the side of the mountain...just nobody has realized it yet. they all still high on uncle baracks snake oil.

711 Max Darkside  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:59:23pm

re: #696 JCM

Evening gang,

Anyone see Drudge on this...


Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact

Hang on we are about to experience some turbulence.

Yes. He's going to rescind and write and by decree, preempt congress if need be. (from a guy who can't maintain a coherent policy from AM to PM... Just ask the poor embarrassed Polish President... or change.gov/agenda/defense... oh... geee... "The page you requested is not available right now." (dumb sh*t Obami))

712 WhiteRasta  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 5:59:48pm

re: #699 Typicalwhitey

I bet they let the dude go as soon as they were out of sight of the cameras.

I suspect they just removed the guy from harm's way.

713 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:00:31pm

re: #709 mama winger


Today is the 8th of November


except it's the ninth :)

714 abolitionist  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:00:39pm

re: #395 stuiec

Why would he not prohibit domestic drilling and bankrupt coal?

He's all about sending the right price signals to let people know that carbon-based energy has no future.

People are forgetting that one of the pre-requisites of serious development of ANY kind of alternative energy supplies is ...energy.

Or maybe the ones going ahead with these decisions are perfectly aware of that.

715 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:01:36pm

vxbush - you crack me up. :D

716 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:00pm

re: #683 gop_patriot

Very Nice! (soon to be contraband)

717 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:08pm

Good Evening everyone! My husband just showed me a South Park Video... the post election episode. For all those who have not seen it, it is a scream, check it out...
[Link: www.fancast.com...]

718 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:23pm

re: #695 wolfie

Are you going to publish your play or have some way for us to access it after the reading? It sounds good and I am very intrigued.

Click on my name, send me an email and I will attach a copy of the current draft (seven) in WORD or a PDF. Just let me know which format you would want.

But remember, it's a work copy, early draft, and it may have a glitch here and there (hell, have you ever seen my comments here?)

It's 68 pages.

719 JCM  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:24pm

re: #710 Spider Mensch

turbulence...?..heck man we hit the side of the mountain...just nobody has realized it yet. they all still high on uncle baracks snake oil.

I believe in dry NTSB terms that is called...
Controlled flight into terrain.

720 Max Darkside  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:02:56pm

Obama's first day in office...

Obama: "Ok, where to I sign to cancel Bush-Hitler's Exec Order 34334,34934, 348834,129232,..."
Obama: "Ok, now, cancel the EO I signed at 9:13 AM and put in place EO43343, no, wait, um, EO434933... ya, no, ahh... (looks for teleprompter), ahhh, sh*t... Crap... I need a smoke"

721 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:03:17pm

re: #711 Max Darkside

Yes. He's going to rescind and write and by decree, preempt congress if need be. (from a guy who can't maintain a coherent policy from AM to PM... Just ask the poor embarrassed Polish President... or change.gov/agenda/defense... oh... geee... "The page you requested is not available right now." (dumb sh*t Obami))

"Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool."

This is the kind of crap my ancestors fled Scandinavia a century ago. Fools.

722 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:03:31pm

re: #693 MandyManners

Police have the power to prevent crimes.

Good evening, LGF.
Is it my imagination or is MSM getting a real kick out of covering gatherings of Afro-Americans who seem rather obsessed with the colour of Obama's skin? I can't help but wonder whether many of them could give a rat's ass about his actual policies.
Isn't post-racial America grand?/

723 JCM  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:03:36pm

re: #711 Max Darkside

Yes. He's going to rescind and write and by decree, preempt congress if need be. (from a guy who can't maintain a coherent policy from AM to PM... Just ask the poor embarrassed Polish President... or change.gov/agenda/defense... oh... geee... "The page you requested is not available right now." (dumb sh*t Obami))

It's gonna' be interesting to see how far he stretches with EO's.

724 YankeeBoy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:03:53pm

the director's cut of Blade Runner is on...Lets call this a drive by...what else is new?

725 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:04:03pm

re: #712 WhiteRasta

I bet they let the dude go as soon as they were out of sight of the cameras.

I suspect they just removed the guy from harm's way.

Not if he was drunk in public. Their duty was to protect him if he was. And, to protect others--drunks do stupid things that sometimes hurt others, such as drive.

726 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:04:13pm

re: #713 mama winger

Hey Mama,
My fat Australian cattle dog just hijacked half an order of onion rings during a family gathering when no one was looking, will that do her any harm? I know onions are a no no. She is almost 9.

727 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:05:14pm

re: #722 Spare O'Lake

Good evening, LGF.
Is it my imagination or is MSM getting a real kick out of covering gatherings of Afro-Americans who seem rather obsessed with the colour of Obama's skin?

(I posted this very early this morning)

I was just surfing around, reading various articles about Obama's win, and it's interesting. He won this election because he was black.

Almost all of the congratulatory articles I have read has dealt with the fact that a black man is finally in the white house. And the media is tapping almost every special interest area to tout his winning.

An example. The Denver Post today has an article about Denver's only black live theatre group and how it's staff of technical people and actors are elated over the win.

And you will probably notice these kinds of articles all through the print and electronic media.

And certainly, I have no problem with him being black, actually, I have no problem with the fact that he will be our future president (not unless he screws up), but I do have a problem with being told for over a year that this had election nothing to do with race, but it was racist not to support him.

Where are the articles about conservative black American's (as part of a group, like a live theatre, or otherwise) who are not elated over his winning the election?

What we are seeing is a continuation of the total "padded" coverage about Obama, by the MSM. And this will go on and on in the months to follow. Problems with his administration will be minimized, and his accomplishments (real or imagined) will be "job one" on a daily and weekly basis.

I've noticed that many Obama supporters have not been able to yet separate themselves from their various Obama paraphernalia... tee shirts, buttons and hats. I can understand that a bumper sticker is a bit difficult to remove, but my goodness, at least take off the tee shirt long enough to wash the stink out of it.

We are seeing the beginnings of America's first political personality cult. It is the perfect storm of American Idol aspirations combined with MTV "quick cut" reportage and mass media's ability to address a eager and willing consumer market right down to the very core of our cell phones.

728 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:05:42pm

re: #722 Spare O'Lake

Good evening, LGF.
Is it my imagination or is MSM getting a real kick out of covering gatherings of Afro-Americans who seem rather obsessed with the colour of Obama's skin? I can't help but wonder whether many of them could give a rat's ass about his actual policies.
Isn't post-racial America grand?/

I just sit back and shake my head.

729 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:05:49pm

On PBS right now-

"God On Trial"

In the Jewish tradition of arguing with God, Jewish prisoners in Auschwitz decide to put God on Trial.

730 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:05:58pm

/re: #681 Typicalwhitey

And here I thought that if you were attacked by a mob, the MOB is the one who is breaking the law.
Silly me.

The mob ruled the day and in their minds they did no wrong because the bad guy was arrested. On to another day of mob rule if need be.

731 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:06:35pm

re: #726 CapeCoddah

Hey Mama,
My fat Australian cattle dog just hijacked half an order of onion rings during a family gathering when no one was looking, will that do her any harm? I know onions are a no no. She is almost 9.

She may have an upset tummy for the next day or too - more from the greasiness than the onion. Onions are not good as a rule, but it is when they are consumed in large amounts that they are most troublesome. The bulk of onion rings is probably more breading than onion. But keep an eye out for diarrhea and vomiting. You could give her an adult Pepto Bismol tablet as a pre-emptive strike.

732 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:06:36pm

Since I see some comments about Veterans Day, I'd like to tell you about my school.

For almost 20 years, we've presented a program to both the community and the school. I took over the organization four years ago.

The band and chorus perform. Students present patriotic readings (speeches, poems, etc.) and a solo or two--and being selected is a HUGE deal. "Taps" is played at the end. I added three tribute videos from GCS's two DVDs ([Link: www.gcsdistributing.com...] The school paper underwrites the costs of a floral display for the podium.

None of us teachers is compensated for this--it is our gift to honor our vets.

For the evening program, I had 175 programs copied--and we ran out.

The entire school (over 800) saw the assembly the next day in perfect attention and respect.

I'm not saying this to brag but to assure you that there are school districts who teach and celebrate patriotism.

733 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:08:19pm
734 CapeCoddah  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:08:22pm

Thanks, I noticed when she got down to the last few, she left the onion and just sucked off the breading. Will do with the pepto. Thanks a million!

735 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:08:28pm

re: #568 Charles

However -- I think it's much more likely that he was indeed drunk and disorderly. I don't trust anything I see at WND.

WeirdNutDrooly also features Pat Puke-cannon as a regular columnist.

736 JCM  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:08:38pm

It's not funny, but I can't help laughing.

Monks brawl at Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulchre, site of Jesus's crucifixion

Monks will be monks I guess...

737 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:08:59pm

re: #703 goddessoftheclassroom

OMG, I LOVE IT! Has pre-Boomer Marine brat seen it?

{dear Lizards}

I don't know - I havn't seen p-BMb lately.

Mandy

He was arrested for public drunkeness and disorderly conduct.

Growing up, we called that Christmas with Dad ... :P

738 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:09:12pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

Ma'am, I don't believe YOU could stand working at any that did NOT...

739 razorbacker  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:09:29pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

Since I see some comments about Veterans Day, I'd like to tell you about my school.

For almost 20 years, we've presented a program to both the community and the school. I took over the organization four years ago.

The band and chorus perform. Students present patriotic readings (speeches, poems, etc.) and a solo or two--and being selected is a HUGE deal. "Taps" is played at the end. I added three tribute videos from GCS's two DVDs ([Link: www.gcsdistributing.com...] The school paper underwrites the costs of a floral display for the podium.

None of us teachers is compensated for this--it is our gift to honor our vets.

For the evening program, I had 175 programs copied--and we ran out.

The entire school (over 800) saw the assembly the next day in perfect attention and respect.

I'm not saying this to brag but to assure you that there are school districts who teach and celebrate patriotism.

Where in Seattle do you teach?

Or is it San Francisco?

NYC?

740 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:09:32pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

I love you, goddess. This military mom thanks you from the bottom of my heart.

I will be spending Veteran's Day at the local armory, getting papers in order for Little's next deployment. Among other things, the updating of his Will. It is sobering.

741 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:09:32pm

re: #709 mama winger

Speaking of Veterans

Today is the 8th of November

Oh wow, Mama. I'm bawling here. Favorited and passed along to friends and family. Thank you.

742 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:10:29pm

Can't I just eat my waffle?

Someone's happy zer0's in charge

743 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:10:29pm

re: #741 gop_patriot

Oh wow, Mama. I'm bawling here. Favorited and passed along to friends and family. Thank you.

I love that song. You're welcome.

744 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:10:46pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

Since I see some comments about Veterans Day, I'd like to tell you about my school.

For almost 20 years, we've presented a program to both the community and the school. I took over the organization four years ago.

The band and chorus perform. Students present patriotic readings (speeches, poems, etc.) and a solo or two--and being selected is a HUGE deal. "Taps" is played at the end. I added three tribute videos from GCS's two DVDs ([Link: www.gcsdistributing.com...] The school paper underwrites the costs of a floral display for the podium.

None of us teachers is compensated for this--it is our gift to honor our vets.

For the evening program, I had 175 programs copied--and we ran out.

The entire school (over 800) saw the assembly the next day in perfect attention and respect.

I'm not saying this to brag but to assure you that there are school districts who teach and celebrate patriotism.

What a marvelous gift!

745 DistantThunder  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:10:52pm

I think we are entering a Modern "Dark Ages" although that may be considered racist I can't think of another phrase that refers to such a grim, miserable time in history. The "Grey Ages"? "The Bleak Ages?"

And with Nancy Pelosi & Reid pushing the auto bailout - which consumers are going to have enough confidence in the economy to go out on a limb and take out a car loan?

746 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:11:00pm

Poor misunderstood Vlaams Belang.

Belgian far right leader: I am one of Israel's staunchest defenders

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

747 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:11:52pm

re: #740 mama winger

Love ya mama, can we come up with a new name for "Little Winger". Something like "Patriot Winger"?...something a little, oh, tougher?

748 WrathofG-d  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:12:08pm

ATTENTION

1. Hamas gets in on the act of testing President Obama

2. "Moderate" PA Negotiator With Israel Denies Jewish Connection To Jerusalem/Temple Mount.

"Top PA officials continue to deny Israel's connection to Judaism's most sacred spot in the world - the Temple Mount.

The latest to do so is Ahmed Qurei, known also as Abu Ala, who has led and continues to lead Palestinian Authority negotiations with Israel. In a small media briefing this past Wednesday, Qurei said, "Israeli occupation authorities are trying to find a so-called Jewish historical connection between Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, but all these attempts will fail. The [Temple Mount] is 100 percent Muslim."

749 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:13:05pm

re: #597 stuiec

Then call it cultural nationalism. If the Israeli Arabs in Northern Israel spoke Hebrew and conformed to Israeli cultural and legal norms in everything except religious practice, would you not accept them as Israelis?

They're already accepted as Israelis while speaking Arabic and sticking to their own culture. They have to abide by Israel's laws whether they like it or not.

The problem is that they can't relate to Israel's Jewish name, Jewish flag, Jewish national anthem, and Jewish identity. So they want the name changed, the flag changed, the national anthem changed and the identity changed (even though Arab citizens are treated better in Israel than Arab citizens are treated in any Arab country.)

No one in Israel expects Arabs to speak Hebrew if they don't want to. Jews in Israel want Israel to retain a Jewish identity and Jewish rights of self-determination as a separate people.

Again, although Jews come in absolutely every color known to mankind, we're still an ethnic group (although not a race.) I'm worried about how the fight against the word "ethnic" will play out against Israel in the long run.

750 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:13:07pm

I have a question for anyone that may be able to answer it.

I copied the Change.gov files before they went down the memory hole and someone has asked for them.

Wh they were copied, the file/path name was changed to my information. For example:file[Link: ...]

The *** being my name. Is this a problem?

Do I need to change the permissions in the Security tab in Properties to prevent security problems? Or are there none associated with copying/zipping this folder?

751 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:13:15pm

re: #714 abolitionist

People are forgetting that one of the pre-requisites of serious development of ANY kind of alternative energy supplies is ...energy.

Or maybe the ones going ahead with these decisions are perfectly aware of that.

Ding!Ding!Ding! A winner! It's going to be about social engineering. Remeber the comment about (paraphrase) 'Americans can't set their thermostats to whatever they want, eat whatever they want, drive around in their SUVs'. When you make energy too expensive, some of their 'ideals' will come to pass.

752 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:13:43pm

re: #740 mama winger

the updating of his Will.

He's in his 20's.

/unusual why that would be needed

753 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:13:48pm

re: #742 esch

Can't I just eat my waffle?

Someone's happy zer0's in charge

Maybe that's why CBBHO looked so shitty at his press conference.

754 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:14:27pm

re: #752 Killian Bundy

He's about to be deployed.

755 Geepers  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:14:27pm

goddessoftheclassroom (#732),

For almost 20 years, we've presented a program to both the community and the school. I took over the organization four years ago.

Good at ya goddessoftheclassroom.

It's so refreshing to hear what someone did instead of listening to people whine about what someone else did.

756 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:14:37pm

In the certain to come (particularly if Likud is elected) conflicts between the United States and Israel- with whom will you side?

757 esch  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:15:40pm

re: #753 MandyManners

Maybe that's why CBBHO looked so shitty at his press conference.

Likely.

Drink from that bitter firehose, buddy! Our lives depend on it!

758 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:16:32pm

re: #749 Adina in Judea

I hope they keep their Jewish identity.

759 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:16:40pm

re: #756 Opinionated

In the certain to come (particularly if Likud is elected) conflicts between the United States and Israel- with whom will you side?

What kind of conflicts do you mean?

760 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:16:54pm

re: #750 Outrider

I have a question for anyone that may be able to answer it.

I copied the Change.gov files before they went down the memory hole and someone has asked for them.

Wh they were copied, the file/path name was changed to my information. For example:file[Link: ...]

The *** being my name. Is this a problem?

Do I need to change the permissions in the Security tab in Properties to prevent security problems? Or are there none associated with copying/zipping this folder?

Try again
file: ///C:/Users/***/Desktop/chang.gov%20copy/change%20gov/Additional%20Issues%20%20Change.gov.html

761 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:35pm

re: #709 mama winger

Speaking of Veterans

Today is the 8th of November

Thanks for that. I just sent it to my adopted Marine. Now I need to find something else to send for the Marine Corps birthday tomorrow.

762 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:35pm

re: #696 JCM

Evening gang,

Anyone see Drudge on this...


Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact


I called that last week here.

Obamanism won't allow this sort of anti-hope and change banter. And to avoid a mess in Congress, watch for the dirty work to be done through Executive Orders.
763 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:17:57pm

re: #747 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love ya mama, can we come up with a new name for "Little Winger". Something like "Patriot Winger"?...something a little, oh, tougher?

Well, I guess we could call him Sgt. Winger, since he got a promotion and all. How's that ? :)

764 OldLineTexan  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:18:17pm

re: #736 JCM

It's not funny, but I can't help laughing.

Monks brawl at Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulchre, site of Jesus's crucifixion

Monks will be monks I guess...

What they don't tell you is that is was a celebration of the Obamessiah, and one smartass monk showed up with "McCain/Palin" scrawled on his tonsure in lipstick.

765 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:18:18pm

re: #754 MandyManners

He's about to be deployed.

And?

/you must have missed the word updating, usually they're drafted to account for all contingencies until you get married or something, and then it needs to be changed

766 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:18:39pm

re: #758 ciaospirit

re: #749 Adina in Judea

I hope they keep their Jewish identity.

Israel is determined to do this, of course, but an ocean of Arabs won't ever like it.

767 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:18:47pm

re: #752 Killian Bundy

He's in his 20's.

/unusual why that would be needed

He goes back to the Sandbox in January.

768 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:18:51pm

re: #670 Typicalwhitey

And I am a hardheaded bitch.
NO ONE will tell me what to wear or when.

If they wanted to remove him for his safety, they should have taken him to his car.
Not handcuffed him and arrested him.

He was probably too drunk to drive, they should have given him a ride home.

769 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:03pm

re: #741 gop_patriot

Oh wow, Mama. I'm bawling here. Favorited and passed along to friends and family. Thank you.

Wet-eyed and proud, that song moves me to ask, "What we were fighting there, isn't that crawling toward the White House now? Bill Ayers and all?"

770 logboy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:13pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm polishing up my PP presentation for the school right now. These kids are High Schoolers, so I hope I get through to them. I think I'll be ok.

771 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:39pm

re: #763 mama winger

Well, I guess we could call him Sgt. Winger, since he got a promotion and all. How's that ? :)

Congratulations to him! Sgt. Winger... has a ring to it.

772 nnorb  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:44pm

re: #358 Typicalwhitey

Man arrested in Philly for wearing a McCain/Palin t-shirt

Via Ace.

I have a little bit of a different take on this. I may not be right. Perhaps, the officers took the man in custody for his own safety. They were trying to get him to walk away from the crowd who were already pumped up almost to a blood lust. He insisted his car was through the crowd and kept wanting to go back in. Maybe, just maybe they choose to take him into custody, the only way to get him to go away from the crowd and drove him around to his car. Just a thought, does anyone have a follow up, was he arrested? is there a booking photo? Then again, this might just be me trying to justify policemen as being the good guys and wanting to do what is right.

773 wolfie  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:44pm

re: #718 Walter L. Newton

Bless your heart.
I think I got the message to you.
(Never can tell with my computer un-skills.)

774 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:19:45pm

re: #765 Killian Bundy

And?

/you must have missed the word updating, usually they're drafted to account for all contingencies until you get married or something, and then it needs to be changed

Oh - I see what you mean. Yes - we will review it for any changes.

775 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:20:06pm

re: #767 mama winger

He goes back to the Sandbox in January.

/right, his will was good for the first tour, why isn't it good for the second?

776 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:20:09pm

re: #759 Adina in Judea

What kind of conflicts do you mean?

Unceasing pressure to surrender. Siding with Israel's enemies. Threatening UN resolutions. Withholding military needs. An attempt to change hearts and minds in the US against Israel. Etc.

To start.

777 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:20:18pm

re: #771 Van Helsing

Congratulations to him! Sgt. Winger... has a ring to it.

Thanks Van H! Good to see you!

778 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:20:50pm

re: #775 Killian Bundy

/right, his will was good for the first tour, why isn't it good for the second?

Mebbe he will decide to name you as beneficiary :)

779 grumpy old codger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:21:26pm

re: #447 MandyManners
Operative appears to be should not. Apparently, in Seattlegrad, the mere appearance is offensive enough. Next will they be burning books?

780 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:21:26pm

re: #769 Karridine

Did you see my #760?

781 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:21:50pm

re: #756 Opinionated

In the certain to come (particularly if Likud is elected) conflicts between the United States and Israel- with whom will you side?

If Likud is elected, Bibi Netanyahu speaks better American English and he also understands America as a culture better than any other Israeli leader. He finished growing up in America when his father was a diplomat. He went to college in America, too (MIT.)

Bibi is currently encouraging peace through economic cooperation which is unlikely to work but it could ease things with Obama for awhile.

If any Israeli leader knows America well enough to deal with Obama, Bibi is it.

782 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:23:18pm

re: #736 JCM

It's not funny, but I can't help laughing.

Monks brawl at Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulchre, site of Jesus's crucifixion

Monks will be monks I guess...

Monks have been involved in brawls for the last 1800 years. This one is minor—no one died, no armies were mobilized nor any kings overthrown. This time it is the problem of sharing space in a church when each side considers the other side to be heretics.

783 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:23:57pm

re: #782 David IV of Georgia

Someone really ought to write a folk song about this.

784 Van Helsing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:23:58pm

re: #777 mama winger

Thanks Mama W. It's good to be seen. Mine is headed back around the same time frame. He'll be home for Thanksgiving and then 2 weeks at Christmas and then off.

Good to hear you taking care of the fat-asses from Chicago.

785 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:24:04pm

re: #722 Spare O'Lake

And the obsession with The Zero's skin colour is not confined to the American MSM...The BBC is constantly referencing Obama's "blackness", as in "America's first black President"..."America's youngest black president;" etc., etc. The BBC is incapable of referring to Obama without mentioning, "Hey, Look at that! He's Black!" They're as obsessed with skin colour as the BNP.

786 Geepers  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:24:35pm

mama winger,

Congratulations to Little Sgt. Winger.

So how long before he outranks you? ;-)

787 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:25:41pm

re: #756 Opinionated

In the certain to come (particularly if Likud is elected) conflicts between the United States and Israel- with whom will you side?

My country 'tis of thee,
Sweet land of Germany,
My name is Schmidt.

My father was a spy,
Caught by the FBI,
Tomorrow he must die...
My name is Schmidt.
/
And you?

788 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:25:45pm

re: #752 Killian Bundy

He's in his 20's.

/unusual why that would be needed

Um... think about it.

789 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:26:02pm

re: #781 Adina in Judea

If Likud is elected, Bibi Netanyahu speaks better American English and he also understands America as a culture better than any other Israeli leader. He finished growing up in America when his father was a diplomat. He went to college in America, too (MIT.)

Bibi is currently encouraging peace through economic cooperation which is unlikely to work but it could ease things with Obama for awhile.

If any Israeli leader knows America well enough to deal with Obama, Bibi is it.

He came out second best when dealing with Clinton.

790 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:27:09pm
791 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:28:28pm

re: #785 J.S.

And the obsession with The Zero's skin colour is not confined to the American MSM...The BBC is constantly referencing Obama's "blackness", as in "America's first black President"..."America's youngest black president;" etc., etc. The BBC is incapable of referring to Obama without mentioning, "Hey, Look at that! He's Black!" They're as obsessed with skin colour as the BNP.

Hasn't Obama's skin colour been the real MSM story right from the get-go?

792 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:29:12pm

re: #778 mama winger

Mebbe he will decide to name you as beneficiary :)

Yeah, that would require redrafting.

/I just hate to think he went through his first tour with an instrument that didn't reflect his wishes, that's malpractice in estate practice lawyerland, otherwise it's really none of my business, but don't roll the dice, do it yourself wills frequently don't do anything but lead to intestacy

793 gmsc  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:29:49pm

re: #367 MandyManners

What were the charges?

He didn't change.

794 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:30:02pm

re: #776 Opinionated

re: #759 Adina in Judea

What kind of conflicts do you mean?

Unceasing pressure to surrender. Siding with Israel's enemies. Threatening UN resolutions. Withholding military needs. An attempt to change hearts and minds in the US against Israel. Etc.

To start.

It has occurred to me that Obama has a big enough ego that he might decide to punch all our enemies in the teeth just for the heck of it (rather than appease them.) Verbally, at least.

Obama is the King of the World, in his eyes. He's made it clear that he owes nothing to no one except himself.

Ahmadinejad fawned over him after the election. Obama trashed Iran in his first press conference. Iran is ticked.

After the election, Tzipi Livni (Israel's Foreign Minister and leader of the Kadima Party) urged Obama not to speak to Iran because it might show a sign of weakness. Obama didn't punch her out at the press conference (or even call her "Sweetie.")

I don't know what to think, but Obama's ego rules in all this, so he may not take a Nancy Pelosi path or a Teddy Kennedy path or a Howard Dean path or any path except what makes him seem the scariest.

He may decide to scare our enemies, too.

He isn't enough of a known quantity to know what the heck he'll do.

795 grumpy old codger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:30:33pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroomComrade, Your effort is cancelled. Effective immediately you will devote the mandatory session to the environment, the training of the children to reporting on the political mistakes of their parents, listing of non-green activities, etc.. Please provide all info to the head of your local Community Servicen Corps. Hail, Comrade Block Secretary.
/sarc/

796 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:31:09pm

re: #780 Outrider

Sarge, that I did, but how do I fetch it? FileZilla FTP?

797 Bob Dillon  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:31:27pm

re: #532 Karridine

Buzz, when I was in Korea circa 1968, I was fluent in Korean, and happened to come upon an 'ugly American', in the flesh... but this guy was balding, cigar-chomping, pot-bellied and wearing shorts while berating his (rented) girlfriend, on the sidewalk in the middle of the morning!

Reminded me of a bar/hotel in Pusan back around 68 - a few of us had been persuaded by a guy who had lived there to go on R&R from Viet Nam with him. At first we thot he was nuts - but what the hell.

The girls rotated between us each night - no charge - pressed our clothes and shined our shoes in the morning - our friend was well liked there. An old @ss hole American sat at the end of the bar and got whoever was left at the end of the night and paid dearly for it.

Oh - Korea! Love it ... Taiwan is a close 2nd.

798 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:31:45pm

re: #784 Van Helsing

Thanks Mama W. It's good to be seen. Mine is headed back around the same time frame. He'll be home for Thanksgiving and then 2 weeks at Christmas and then off.

Good to hear you taking care of the fat-asses from Chicago.

We can commiserate about our sons together, once again...

and yup - there are some BIG asses in Chicago I'm tellin ya

799 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:32:01pm

re: #538 Killian Bundy

Yes, we have bingo! It's confirmed.

Vu de droite: Anthologie critique des idées contemporaines

/this is exactly the cover of the book Dewinter was carrying around and flashing for the cameras in last night's Nazi book club video, go back and contrast and compare if you doubt it

Great Find KB, here's a bit on the author:

Alain de Benoist was previously associated with different right wing persons linked with the Algerian independence war. From being close to fascist French movements at the beginning of his writings in 1970, he moved to attacks on globalisation, unrestricted mass immigration and liberalism as being ultimately fatal to the existence of Europe through their divisiveness and internal faults. His influences include Antonio Gramsci,[3] Ernst Jünger, Jean Baudrillard, Helmut Schelsky, Konrad Lorenz, and other intellectuals.[4]

Against the liberal melting-pot of the U.S., Benoist is in favour of separate civilisations and cultures. He also says he opposes Jean-Marie Le Pen, racism and anti-Semitism.[5] He has opposed Arab immigration in France, while supporting ties with Islamic culture.[6] He has also tried to distance himself from Adolf Hitler, Vichy France or Aryan supremacy, in favor of concepts like "ethnopluralism," in which organic, ethnic cultures and nations must live and develop in separation from one another.[7] He also opposes Christianity as inherently intolerant, theocractic and bent on persecution.[8]

Benoist has made pointed criticism of the United States: "Better to wear the helmet of a Red Army soldier," he wrote in 1982, "than to live on a diet of hamburgers in Brooklyn."[9] In 1991, he complained that European supporters of the first Gulf War were "collaborators of the American order."[10]

Benoist argues that heredity is dominant role in forming an intellectual elite. In addition, he says egalitarianism is destructive because it ruins the superior qualities and genetic aristocracy in the human race.[11] Benoist argues that Europe must return to its pre-Christian roots and uses the Indo-European model, such as Nordic, Celtic, Greek and Roman civilisations,[12] as an alternative to communism and capitalism.[13] "We want to substitute faith for law, mythos for logos... will for pure reason, the image for the concept, and home for exile," he once wrote.[14]

Benoist has said he opposed racism and violence, saying he is building "a school of thought, not a political movement."[15] He also said that "an intelligent racism, which has a sense of ethnicity, is less harmful than an intemperate, leveling, assimilating anti-racism," -- and violence-prone extremists used the quote as a slogan.[16] While he has complained that nations like the United States suffer from "homogenization," due to multiracial industrialization, he has also distanced himself from some of Jean-Marie Le-Pen's views on immigration.[17]

800 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:32:54pm

re: #786 Geepers

mama winger,

Congratulations to Little Sgt. Winger.

So how long before he outranks you? ;-)

AHAHAHAHA ! !

One can NEVER outrank one's mother :)

801 Rancher  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:32:56pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom
Bless you Goddess, I was waiting for you to say how you were forced to stop this, glad you haven't been.

802 J.S.  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:17pm

re: #791 Spare O'Lake

Indeed. Also the BBC has come out and stated that because Obama is black he cannot be criticized -- other than by (yeah, just guess) someone else who's black...uh-huh..that's what the BeeB states, forthrightly, up-front...it's out and out racism...no other way to describe it.

803 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:23pm

re: #789 Opinionated

[Bibi] came out second best when dealing with Clinton.

Bibi lost his job over this and he's been out of the PM chair for well over a decade as a result of what he did when Clinton was also in office.

I think he's learned his lesson. He's pushing 60 so he can't afford to stay out of the PM chair for another decade again if he gets the job and gives in to another American President.

I think he will find other ways to deal with the situation this time (without being confrontational or submitting.)

804 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:33:54pm

re: #795 grumpy old codger

Comrade, Your effort is cancelled. Effective immediately you will devote the mandatory session to the environment, the training of the children to reporting on the political mistakes of their parents, listing of non-green activities, etc.. Please provide all info to the head of your local Community Servicen Corps. Hail, Comrade Block Secretary.
/sarc/

You know, I do think about what I would do in a situation like that. Luckily, I know I could simply do nothing to support the new regime and suffer no consequences for a very long time.

805 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:35:38pm

re: #794 Adina in Judea

You may have missed Post #629

I would suggest no one in Israel be deluded that Obama is going to be a friend.

At best he will be no worse then Carter. At best.

Livni is said to be running on just the threat that Israel had better elect someone [her] who will bend over gracefully to Obama so that the suicidal pain remains tolerable

806 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:35:41pm

re: #801 Rancher

Bless you Goddess, I was waiting for you to say how you were forced to stop this, glad you haven't been.

I'm grateful to live in a community that supports this effort. If the school told me I had to stop, the community would be up in arms.

807 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:36:46pm

re: #788 Occasional Reader

Um... think about it.

He's married, a fiancé, has kids, a potential executor died?

/hard to tell without seeing the preexisting will and knowing the reason why, but if you executed a properly drafted will before your first Iraq deployment, I don't see why it wouldn't carry you through your second, I doubt there's any tax issues

808 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:36:54pm

re: #790 buzzsawmonkey

Bibi drank the Oslo Kool-Aid a long time ago.

He lost power over this, though, and it's taken over a decade to get it back (if he does get it back this time.)

I think he's figured out what he did wrong back then.

No one else who can be elected sees Oslo as wrong anymore except Bibi.

He's the best choice for Israel in February, no matter what he did in the 1990s.

809 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:37:33pm

re: #796 Karridine

Sarge, that I did, but how do I fetch it? FileZilla FTP?

I've never transferred files that had a file/path name like that and was wondering if it was a concern?

Send the zip file to your blog contact page?

810 Occasional Reader  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:37:47pm

re: #732 goddessoftheclassroom

The band and chorus perform. Students present patriotic readings (speeches, poems, etc.) and a solo or two--and being selected is a HUGE deal. "Taps" is played at the end.

Exactly like in Nazi Germany!

/moonbat

811 mama winger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:38:43pm

re: #807 Killian Bundy

He's married, a fiancé, has kids, a potential executor died?

None of the above, but he does want to make sure that if anything happens to him, Obama gets all his money.

Oh wait ... he won't need a will for that...

812 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:39:11pm

re: #803 Adina in Judea

Bibi lost his job over this and he's been out of the PM chair for well over a decade as a result of what he did when Clinton was also in office.

I think he's learned his lesson.

One would hope so, especially if Benny Begin is Foreign Minister. Begin likely has more balls to stare down Obama then Netanyahu.

Still the memory of how Netanyahu folded at Wye River remains fresh.

And of course there is the possibility that the insane Israelis who voted in Olmert may elect Livni.

813 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:39:41pm

re: #810 Occasional Reader

Exactly like in Nazi Germany!

/moonbat

Except that students may opt out of the assembly and sit in the guidance office and read. Jehovah's Witnesses do that.

814 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:40:02pm
815 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:40:24pm

re: #805 Opinionated

I would suggest no one in Israel be deluded that Obama is going to be a friend.

At best he will be no worse then Carter. At best.

Livni is said to be running on just the threat that Israel had better elect someone [her] who will bend over gracefully to Obama so that the suicidal pain remains tolerable

Bibi is running on the idea that changing the "Palestinians" can't happen from the top down but only from the street upwards (so he is encouraging some sort of industrial development that would help the "Palestinians" grow economically.)

I think Israeli voters would like to see the endless and useless "How do we cut Israel up - let us count the ways" put to a stop before someone does something that ends up making half a million Jews homeless and the country defenseless.

816 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:40:47pm

re: #811 mama winger

None of the above, but he does want to make sure that if anything happens to him, Obama gets all his money.

Oh wait ... he won't need a will for that...

And since he won't need this will anyway for another, oh, 80 years or so, it doesn't matter anyway.

817 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:41:21pm

re: #799 Thanos

Heh. We owe Spencer for leading us to the neo-nazi book that Dewinter bought at the neo-nazi book fair. He's becoming more transparent by the moment.

818 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:42:56pm

re: #809 Outrider

Yeah, the ZIP file to (My Nic Here) @ gmail.com

/and THANKS

819 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:43:37pm

re: #818 Karridine

Yeah, the ZIP file to (My Nic Here) @ gmail.com

/and THANKS

OK. And there is no real concern over the permissions aspect as well as file/path name?

820 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:44:06pm

re: #811 mama winger

None of the above, but he does want to make sure that if anything happens to him, Obama gets all his money.

Oh wait ... he won't need a will for that...

The only other thing I can think of would be that he wants to change his devisees.

/which I would have assumed would have been you under his existing will

821 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:44:43pm

re: #812 Opinionated

And of course there is the possibility that the insane Israelis who voted in Olmert may elect Livni.

They were voting for Sharon in the last election, although he was in a coma.

Sharon was wildly popular when he formed Kadima. Olmert was just Sharon's aid, pretty much. The people voted for Sharon although it was unlikely he would ever wake up again.

Livni and Netanyahu are running neck and neck, but Labor is trashing Livni these days (even though Livni offered them a deal to form a coalition that almost put Ehud Barak in her lap in the PM chair.) It speaks to her lack of judgment to offer him so much when he has so much contempt for her.

I don't know what will happen - but I'm hoping for Bibi and Likud.

822 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:45:08pm

re: #815 Adina in Judea

Bibi is running on the idea that changing the "Palestinians" can't happen from the top down but only from the street upwards (so he is encouraging some sort of industrial development that would help the "Palestinians" grow economically.)

So he is still doesn't get it.

The "Palestinians" can't be changed. Their aim is the end of Israel, now and always. They can't be bought.

Actually they can be bought, but they don't stay bought and it costs a fortune to continually buy the same thing again and again.

823 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:45:59pm

re: #821 Adina in Judea

They were voting for Sharon in the last election, although he was in a coma.

Sharon was wildly popular when he formed Kadima.

Trust me. I know as much about Israel as you do.

824 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:47:33pm
825 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:47:35pm

re: #814 buzzsawmonkey

Bibi, if he is elected, has one opportunity to prove that he does not merely represent Israel's death by 1000 cuts instead of 500.

Bibi can also put all sorts of things up to referendums for the Israeli public to decide.

The Israeli public is farther to the right than Bibi is right now.

An amazing 96% of Israeli Jews (including secular Jews) refuse to give up the Western Wall even if it would result in a REAL and PERMANENT peace.

ALL FOUR of the candidates (secular and religious) running for Mayor of Jerusalem are swearing to oppose any division of Jerusalem in any kind of deal.

826 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:49:10pm

re: #823 Opinionated

Trust me. I know as much about Israel as you do.

Well, I'm sure you do - but I don't think Israeli voters were voting for Kadima or Olmert except as substitutes for Sharon nearly three years ago - do you?

827 Karridine  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:50:57pm

re: #819 Outrider

If YOU have permission to record files to the hard-disk, and
IF that Filename-PATH leads to the directory,
THEN no problem...

If its on YOUR Hard Drive, ZIP it there and send us the Zipfile...

828 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #825 Adina in Judea

Bibi can also put all sorts of things up to referendums for the Israeli public to decide.

The Israeli public is farther to the right than Bibi is right now.

An amazing 96% of Israeli Jews (including secular Jews) refuse to give up the Western Wall even if it would result in a REAL and PERMANENT peace.

ALL FOUR of the candidates (secular and religious) running for Mayor of Jerusalem are swearing to oppose any division of Jerusalem in any kind of deal.

re: #825 Adina in Judea

Bibi can also put all sorts of things up to referendums for the Israeli public to decide.

The Israeli public is farther to the right than Bibi is right now.

An amazing 96% of Israeli Jews (including secular Jews) refuse to give up the Western Wall even if it would result in a REAL and PERMANENT peace.

ALL FOUR of the candidates (secular and religious) running for Mayor of Jerusalem are swearing to oppose any division of Jerusalem in any kind of deal.

Israelis have usually voted in that party who they believed would get on best with the United States.

Israelis may be preferring the Right today, but will the preference remain when a vote for the Right is a vote for bad relations with an Obama Administration?

829 US Navy Wife  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:52:33pm

re: #386 MandyManners

What if those cops had not removed him and he was torn to shreds by the crowd?

QFS (Quoted for sanity)

830 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:53:09pm

re: #824 buzzsawmonkey

The Israeli government needs to say quite clearly that the "Palestinians'" options are citizenship or transfer. Period. If they can relocate Jews, they can bloody well relocate Arabs.

The "Palestinians" want citizenship in Israel more than absolutely anything.

They are hoping to vote Israel into an Islamic state named "Palestine."

Israel has to keep containing the terrorists and not expect any huge solution right now (especially with Obama the Unknown in the Oval Office.)

This is not a time for drastic moves, no matter how much we may want them.

831 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:53:40pm

Gee, now this is going to bug me.

/unless your wishes or circumstances have changed, you shouldn't be needing to "update" your will every two years

832 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:54:19pm

re: #826 Adina in Judea

Well, I'm sure you do - but I don't think Israeli voters were voting for Kadima or Olmert except as substitutes for Sharon nearly three years ago - do you?

I think that over and over again- and I know it even from diverse family who should know better- in recent decades, Israelis were voting their hopes over their reality.

Like what we in the US just did.

833 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:55:11pm

re: #831 Killian Bundy

Gee, now this is going to bug me.

/unless your wishes or circumstances have changed, you shouldn't be needing to "update" your will every two years

I'm thinking it's a formality all the troops go through but only those who need changes actually make the.

834 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:55:57pm

Good night, Lizards. Take care.

835 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:56:11pm
836 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:56:33pm

re: #828 Opinionated

Israelis may be preferring the Right today, but will the preference remain when a vote for the Right is a vote for bad relations with an Obama Administration?

Bibi was the first one to congratulate Obama after Obama's victory and the first one to express how much he was looking forward to working with Obama after being elected in Israel in February.

Livni also congratulated Obama but advised him not to speak to Iran because it would make Obama appear weak.

Ehud Barak is saying that Israel should give up focusing on things like capitalism and defense now that Obama has been elected.

837 grumpy old codger  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:58:12pm

re: #833 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm thinking it's a formality all the troops go through but only those who need changes actually make the.


The "personnel dept." of the Army makes sure that everyone's data is updated before a deployment. That includes questions about needing a new will.

838 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:59:17pm

re: #835 buzzsawmonkey

Israel isn't going to make any drastic moves in the near future.

If Bibi is elected, he'll try to do some economic things (and he is good at economics as a result of his Masters degree from MIT.)

If Hamas has to be fought due to imminent threats, Israel will fight Hamas again.

Nothing related to transfer is going to happen anytime soon.

839 Outrider  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:59:42pm

re: #827 Karridine

If YOU have permission to record files to the hard-disk, and
IF that Filename-PATH leads to the directory,
THEN no problem...

If its on YOUR Hard Drive, ZIP it there and send us the Zipfile...

Working on it. I'm on laptop and have to fileshare with my desktop to go out. It will be just a few more minutes.

840 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 6:59:46pm

re: #833 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm thinking it's a formality all the troops go through but only those who need changes actually make the.

/well now that makes sense, so it's a review, that's common in estate planning even for non-military

841 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:00:44pm
842 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:01:43pm

re: #836 Adina in Judea

Bibi was the first one to congratulate Obama after Obama's victory and the first one to express how much he was looking forward to working with Obama after being elected in Israel in February.

And? Obama will risk Israel's security and cozy up to Israel's enemies actual and potential.

If you believe Obama and Netanyahu will have a mutual admiration relationship, be prepared to be disappointed.

843 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:03:06pm

re: #841 buzzsawmonkey

Again: if Israel can evict Jews, it can evict Arabs. And it should; its standing would immediately improve. Yes, there would be howls of outrage--but there are howls of outrage now. When will the Israelis learn that the world's howls of outrage are a fart in the wind?

It would be a violent process against civilians, though.

Israel is not going to confront Obama with something like this.

No one knows who Obama is. Israel will be cautious until we all find out.

844 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:04:11pm

re: #838 Adina in Judea

Israel isn't going to make any drastic moves in the near future.

The daily news seems to point to an outbreak of imminent hostilities in Gaza.

Unless of course, Israel is again prepared to be under constant rocket attack.

845 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:05:32pm

re: #842 Opinionated

re: #836 Adina in Judea

Bibi was the first one to congratulate Obama after Obama's victory and the first one to express how much he was looking forward to working with Obama after being elected in Israel in February.

And? Obama will risk Israel's security and cozy up to Israel's enemies actual and potential.

If you believe Obama and Netanyahu will have a mutual admiration relationship, be prepared to be disappointed.

You were talking about whether the Israeli voters will be willing to vote for a party that doesn't get along well with Obama.

So far, Bibi seems to be the one who would get along with Obama the best.

It may or may not be true, but Bibi is doing a better job of showing that this might be true than the other two candidates while the nation prepares for elections.

846 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:06:57pm
847 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:07:15pm

re: #844 Opinionated

re: #838 Adina in Judea

Israel isn't going to make any drastic moves in the near future.

The daily news seems to point to an outbreak of imminent hostilities in Gaza.

Unless of course, Israel is again prepared to be under constant rocket attack.

Fighting against Hamas isn't a drastic move at this point.

It happens on and off all the time.

I was talking about drastic moves such as the transfer of Arabs.

Israel won't do anything like this in the near future.

848 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:08:45pm

re: #846 buzzsawmonkey

Obama was elected President of the United States, last I heard; not President of Israel, nor President of Gaza, despite his Hamas supporters.

Walking soft until his measure is taken is not a bad idea--but neither is planning a transfer operation once that measure is taken.

Israel's population doesn't support the idea of the transfer of Arabs.

No leader will do this in the near future, especially without popular support.

849 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:09:16pm

re: #845 Adina in Judea

I would hope Israelis have smart enough to appreciate that the policies of Likud and the policies of Obama are inherently in conflict.

I hope Likud wins.

Hell, I hoped Likud would win last time. I hoped McCain would win this time.

My hopes have the same worth as "Palestinian" peace promises.

850 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:11:55pm

re: #849 Opinionated

re: #845 Adina in Judea

I would hope Israelis have smart enough to appreciate that the policies of Likud and the policies of Obama are inherently in conflict.

I hope Likud wins.

Hell, I hoped Likud would win last time. I hoped McCain would win this time.

My hopes have the same worth as "Palestinian" peace promises.

Well, I think Israeli voters know that Bibi would stand up for Israel better than Tzipi Livni or Ehud Barak if Obama puts the pressure on.

As mentioned, Bibi understands American culture and speaks better American English than any other major leader in Israel. I think the voters may want someone who mostly grew up in America to deal with whatever difficult situations may come up because of Obama. I hope so!

851 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:12:23pm

re: #847 Adina in Judea

Fighting against Hamas isn't a drastic move at this point.

That's the problem. With Obama it may be. In fact any overt Israeli military act may be a no no to an Obama Administration. No matter how justified.

852 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:12:32pm
853 Wishing  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:18:22pm

re: #692 Miss Trixie

Love the avatar!

854 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:18:57pm

re: #851 Opinionated

re: #847 Adina in Judea

Fighting against Hamas isn't a drastic move at this point.


That's the problem. With Obama it may be. In fact any overt Israeli military act may be a no no to an Obama Administration. No matter how justified.

Israel has a way of attacking Gaza that runs under most people's radar.

Israel goes in - Israel comes out. Israel goes back in - Israel comes back out.

It's small operations that seem routine without making it into a big war.

Israel can get hundreds of Hamas guys this way and it's not huge news.

It would be satisfying if Israel clobbered them all at once, but getting them in dozens or hundreds hurts Hamas more than they are willing to admit.

In Judea and Samaria, they keep the terrorists on the run to sleep in different places every night so that they can't sit still long enough to plan terror attacks.

It doesn't make the news worldwide at all. Israel gets this news each morning when terrorists (sometimes dozens of them) have been quietly arrested during the night. It doesn't make international news.

Israel will have to handle things with Hamas and I think Israel can do this again.

855 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:20:53pm

re: #852 buzzsawmonkey

Even if the population does not support transfer now, a government which endorsed it--none has, certainly in recent memory--would get the population thinking about it, and more importantly would get the Arabs worried, which they should be.

The notion that trying to figure out how best to cozy up to someone who is at best going to be a flaccid ally (Obama) is not only the best, but the only course, is a prescription for disaster.

Sharon didn't even suggest transfer to Bush when they were at their closest.

It's not going to happen now. Sorry, but I just don't see it coming up soon.

856 [deleted]  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:25:52pm
857 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:26:01pm

re: #854 Adina in Judea

Yeah the old in and out. You forgot killing some empty buildings.

And the rockets continue to land on Sderot.

I'm assuming Israel wants one day to put an end to this crap with a crippling operation. Or maybe not.

Maybe Israel in the 21st Century thrives on masochism.

858 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #749 Adina in Judea

They're already accepted as Israelis while speaking Arabic and sticking to their own culture. They have to abide by Israel's laws whether they like it or not.

The problem is that they can't relate to Israel's Jewish name, Jewish flag, Jewish national anthem, and Jewish identity. So they want the name changed, the flag changed, the national anthem changed and the identity changed (even though Arab citizens are treated better in Israel than Arab citizens are treated in any Arab country.)

No one in Israel expects Arabs to speak Hebrew if they don't want to. Jews in Israel want Israel to retain a Jewish identity and Jewish rights of self-determination as a separate people.

Again, although Jews come in absolutely every color known to mankind, we're still an ethnic group (although not a race.) I'm worried about how the fight against the word "ethnic" will play out against Israel in the long run.

It's a mistake for Israel to let its Arab citizens ignore the national language and culture, just as it's a mistake for European countries or the USA to permit immigrants to ignore national languages and cultures. Why wouldn't Israelis expect all Israeli citizens to speak Hebrew?

When my youngest child was five, she noticed the tinsel wrapped around the lampposts in our town and asked, "When do they put up the Chanukah decorations?" I said, "They don't. We live in a country with mostly Christians, and so they decorate the town for Christmas. In Israel, they decorate for Jewish holidays." My five-year-old understood that we accommodate ourselves to the culture of our nation and don't demand that it accommodate to us -- why is that so hard for other ethnic groups to grasp? Or are we suckers for not demanding our multicultural rights, same as them?

859 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:39:24pm

re: #856 buzzsawmonkey

If Israel takes what appears to be an extreme position, it pulls the debate in a different direction, which it needs to do.

If Israel does not recognize this, then all the mother-wit of generations of Jewish lawyers has left its Jewish population.

Israel isn't going to confront Obama in the near future.

It sounds peppy and enthusiastic to think of Israel doing this at long last, but the main thing is to keep containing the terrorists who have been mostly stopped for the last five years. This is a good goal, too - for now.

860 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:41:15pm

re: #857 Opinionated

e: #854 Adina in Judea

Yeah the old in and out. You forgot killing some empty buildings.

And the rockets continue to land on Sderot.

I'm assuming Israel wants one day to put an end to this crap with a crippling operation. Or maybe not.

Maybe Israel in the 21st Century thrives on masochism.

Sderot has been mostly quiet for the last five months, except for last week.

Israel is developing anti-rocket devices, meanwhile.

Patience.

861 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:44:01pm

re: #858 stuiec

It's a mistake for Israel to let its Arab citizens ignore the national language and culture, just as it's a mistake for European countries or the USA to permit immigrants to ignore national languages and cultures. Why wouldn't Israelis expect all Israeli citizens to speak Hebrew?

Hebrew is a Jewish language and Israel has a Jewish culture.

As long as the Israeli Arabs live peacefully in Israel, they can do whatever they want. No one forces Jewishness (religion, language or culture) on anyone else.

Israel is as unique as the Jewish people are unique.

862 So?  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:48:43pm

re: #736 JCM

It's not funny, but I can't help laughing.

Monks brawl at Jerusalem's Church of the Holy Sepulchre, site of Jesus's crucifixion

Monks will be monks I guess...

hahahahaha...Monks will be monks.

863 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 7:49:41pm

A lot of Jews in Israel speak Arabic, though.

Many Jews (roughly half of the Jews in Israel) come from families who lived in Arab speaking countries for thousands of years. Some of these families still speak Arabic at home (at least among the older family members.)

I know plenty of Jews in Israel who grew up in Arabic speaking homes. The kids learned Hebrew by playing outside with other kids, but their parents still spoke Arabic at home even if they knew Hebrew themselves already.

There are also a lot of Spanish speaking Jews in Israel whose families came from South America. There are also a lot of French speaking Jews in Israel.

Actually, the Jews who lived in Morocco spoke Arabic at home and French at school, so the older people who lived in Morocco still speak Arabic and French.

Israel is a complicated country.

864 stuiec  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:06:23pm

re: #863 Adina in Judea

It certainly helps build a national identity to have everyone speak a common language. It doesn't take away from the Israeli Arabs to have their children learn Hebrew. I understand that it's a reversal of traditional roles in the Middle East, but since Jews in Arab lands spoke Arabic (and in Maghreb lands, French) and identified with the countries they lived in, why shouldn't Arab citizens of Israel learn Hebrew and be taught to put their Israeli citizenship ahead of their "Palestinian" identity?

865 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:40:47pm

re: #864 stuiec

It certainly helps build a national identity to have everyone speak a common language. It doesn't take away from the Israeli Arabs to have their children learn Hebrew. I understand that it's a reversal of traditional roles in the Middle East, but since Jews in Arab lands spoke Arabic (and in Maghreb lands, French) and identified with the countries they lived in, why shouldn't Arab citizens of Israel learn Hebrew and be taught to put their Israeli citizenship ahead of their "Palestinian" identity?

Israel's Jewish population speaks Hebrew. Some Arabs speak Hebrew.

The Israeli Arabs as a group don't accept Israel's right to exist (per their Arab leaders) so Israel won't be expecting them all to learn Hebrew.

It would a major achievement if they accepted Israel's right to exist (especially the Arabs who actually have Israeli citizenship.)

Although some parts of Israel have a lot of Jewish and Arab interaction, it's not the case all over the country. The Israeli Arabs are left to do as they please peacefully unless they break laws. (They do get a lot of benefits, though.)

It's not a Jewish practice to ask people to join us, even if this only means learning our language and Jewish customs.

Israel and the Jewish people are unique, after all. :)

866 NomadOfNorad  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:42:20pm

re: #864 stuiec

It certainly helps build a national identity to have everyone speak a common language. It doesn't take away from the Israeli Arabs to have their children learn Hebrew. I understand that it's a reversal of traditional roles in the Middle East, but since Jews in Arab lands spoke Arabic (and in Maghreb lands, French) and identified with the countries they lived in, why shouldn't Arab citizens of Israel learn Hebrew and be taught to put their Israeli citizenship ahead of their "Palestinian" identity?

I figure... give it another generation, and they'll naturally transition over to all speaking Hebrew as their primary language. This will come about because their kids will learn Hebrew as a matter of course, from each other, as they grow up.

867 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:51:47pm

re: #866 NomadOfNorad

I figure... give it another generation, and they'll naturally transition over to all speaking Hebrew as their primary language. This will come about because their kids will learn Hebrew as a matter of course, from each other, as they grow up.

The Israeli Arabs have been in Israel for 60 years already.

They are no closer to accepting Israel's right to exist than they were 60 years ago. They speak Arabic in their communities and their children speak Arabic while playing outside with other children.

They're not assimilating into Jewish culture in Israel and no one wants them to.

Some Israeli Arabs learn to speak Hebrew for jobs, but not all that many.

It would be nice if they accepted Israel's right to exist, though.

868 Adina in Judea  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 8:58:39pm

No one is expecting Arab Muslims to identify with a Jewish national identity.

They don't relate to the Star of David flag or the national anthem that speaks of the Jewish longing for the Jewish homeland.

These are the words of Israel's national anthem in English:

Hatikva (The Hope)

As long as in the heart, within,
A Jewish soul still yearns,
And onward toward the East,
An eye still watches toward Zion.

Our hope has not yet been lost,
The two thousand year old hope,
To be a free nation in our own homeland,
The land of Zion and Jerusalem.

Arab Muslims will never warm to this national Jewish sentiment.

869 Syrah  Sun, Nov 9, 2008 9:26:03pm

re: #277 bp sf

Hey! Guess who gets a pardon now that there's a Dem prez?

Johhny Taliban. You read it here first and I know it for sure.

4 to 8 years from now.

Obama is not President yet.

President Bush will be making a pardon list about now, but not Obama, at least, not yet.

870 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:26:29am

re: #867 Adina in Judea

The Israeli Arabs have been in Israel for 60 years already.

They are no closer to accepting Israel's right to exist than they were 60 years ago. They speak Arabic in their communities and their children speak Arabic while playing outside with other children.

They're not assimilating into Jewish culture in Israel and no one wants them to.

Some Israeli Arabs learn to speak Hebrew for jobs, but not all that many.

It would be nice if they accepted Israel's right to exist, though.

Hmmm... well, I was talking about non-Hebrew-speaking JEWS that have recently moved into Israel. Arabs living in Israel are a different kettle of fish.

871 Adina in Judea  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:32:26am

re: #870 NomadOfNorad

Hmmm... well, I was talking about non-Hebrew-speaking JEWS that have recently moved into Israel. Arabs living in Israel are a different kettle of fish.

Oh - well, I'm not sure how this came up when we were talking about Israeli Arabs, but it's true that Jews who immigrate to Israel learn to speak Hebrew (especially their children who learn very quickly even if their parents are learning Hebrew very, very slowly.)

872 NomadOfNorad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:52:03am

re: #871 Adina in Judea

Ah. Sorry. Guess I wasn't paying close enough attention. :D


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