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Obama Lied About Firing Anti-Israel Adviser?

Politics | Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:40:13 am PST

In May of this year, Barack Obama fired Middle East adviser Robert Malley when it was revealed that Malley had been holding secret talks with Hamas.

One of Barack Obama’s Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas – prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

Robert Malley told The Times that he had been in regular contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza and is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think-tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama’s Middle East advisory council. “I’ve never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people,” he added.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly: “Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.”

According to reports from the Middle East, Ben LaBolt and the Obama campaign were lying.

Report: Obama Sends Advisor Malley to Cozy Up to Egypt and Syria.

According to a report on Middle East Newsline, President-elect Barack Obama has dispatched his “senior foreign policy adviser”, Robert Malley to Egypt and Syria to outline Obama’s policy on the Middle East.
 
Malley reportedly relayed a promise from Obama that the United States would seek to enhance relations with Cairo and reconcile differences with Damascus.

“The tenor of the messages was that the Obama administration would take into greater account Egyptian and Syrian interests,” an aide to Malley was quoted as saying. The aide said Obama plans to launch a U.S. diplomatic initiative toward Syria. Malley met both Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad “to explain Obama’s agenda for the Middle East.”

UPDATE at 11/10/08 9:04:36 am:

An Egyptian source confirms the story from Arutz Sheva:

On the flipside, it emerged that Obama had sent his senior foreign policy advisor Robert Malley to both Cairo and Damascus these past few weeks to outline the president-elect’s plans for the region, which indicates a willingness to further strengthen ties with staunch US ally Egypt and begin boosting relations with Syria.

UPDATE at 11/10/08 11:37:19 am:

Allahpundit is skeptical, and that’s a good attitude to maintain. But Barack Obama’s lack of transparency about his past associations with anti-Israel activists is enough to keep us from discounting the story entirely. If the Obama people issue a disavowal, we’ll report that, of course.

UPDATE at 11/10/08 12:09:25 pm:

More possible connections pointed out at Mere Rhetoric: Syria: On Second Thought, We’re Gonna Wait A Few More Months Before Talking About A Peace Deal (UPDATED AND BUMPED: Assad Convinced By Malley Not Brzezinski?)

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1 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:41:57am
2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:41:57am

Oh wow, Obama lied? Never saw that coming.

3 Wendya  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:42:42am

Obama lied?

Wow...that's a first.

/

4 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:42:54am

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh wow, Obama lied? Never saw that coming.

I'm shocked I tell ya!
/

5 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:42:57am

You didn't really think he fired him, did you? Or resigned from Trinity? Or has only seen William Ayers around the neighborhood?

Obama has demonstrated over and over that he is a chronic and habitual liar. He says whatever he thinks people want to hear at any given moment and 15 minutes later he will tell someone else the exact opposite. Likely he does not actually know what "truth" is.

6 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:43:11am
He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.

campaign is over. so they are being honest.

/parsing words already.

7 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:43:20am

Barack Obama: Selling out America, one slimy step at a time.

8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:43:32am

Did he lie? Or was he "Clarifying"? He "clarifies" a lot.

9 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:43:38am

Appeasing tyranny is never good policy.

10 Paul Green  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:43:57am

The salient feature of this man and his administration is going to be sneakiness -- and rhetorical K-Y.

11 Wendya  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:43:57am

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did he lie? Or was he "Clarifying"? He "clarifies" a lot.

That depends on the meaning of the word "Clarify".

12 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:45:00am

We knew the bus tosses were only temporary. I wonder who will emerge next?

13 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:45:14am

I would just love to bash left wing Jews for voting Obama.
However, I have my hands full slapping other Latinos for doing so.

14 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:45:50am

re: #12 Fat Jolly Penguin

We knew the bus tosses were only temporary. I wonder who will emerge next?

It won't be granny.

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:01am

re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did he lie? Or was he "Clarifying"? He "clarifies" a lot.

You need to clarify what you mean by clarifying.

16 gop_patriot  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:07am

He hasn't even been sworn in yet, and he's already flaunting his lies and saying "what are you going to do about it?"

What fun the next four years will bring!
//

17 gymnast  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:22am

Perhaps Obama should share the details of his "Middle East Policy" with the American people so that we can have a better idea of what acts are aboard his foreign policy circus train.

18 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:27am

Obama Lied

Can I copyright that? I anticipate the royalties would make me as wealthy as Buffett- before Obama spread my wealth around.

19 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:35am

Why am I not shocked by this? I suspect the media will let this slide like everything else.

How about it WaPo, care to vet the chosen one after the fact?

20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:41am

re: #14 VegasRick

It won't be granny.

She will be voting for her Barry in the next election, though.

21 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:46am

2008 was a year of lies. 2009, I fear, will be a year of fire.

22 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:46:55am

Hope-crush. Get it while it's hot.

23 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:47:07am

re: #12 Fat Jolly Penguin

We knew the bus tosses were only temporary. I wonder who will emerge next?

That didn't take long. Calypso Louie and Father Pfleger are baaaaaack!

24 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:47:10am

Obama lied, the US died. :/

25 llanite  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:47:18am

re: #9 experiencedtraveller

Appeasing tyranny is never good policy.


Neither is hopping in bed with them, especially on the first date...

26 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:05am

re: #17 gymnast

Why do something like that? Then the smelly, unwashed peasants might think they are qualified to question the Divine Wisdom that pours forth from the Lightworker's mouth.

Or his ass. Whatever.

27 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:21am

re: #14 VegasRick

It won't be granny.

I'm not under the bus!

28 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:25am

Through numerous conversations I have been having lately with my so-called Pro-Israel friends, Malley's points of view, and association are Pro-Israel.

So that begs the question, what exactly does it mean to be Pro-Israel?

29 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:26am

memo to: Israel
subject: Future viability in the region.


Be afraid. Be very afraid. Suggest you look at Czechoslovakia 1938-39 for historical reference. Also suggest you start review target options for strategic weapons.

Also, note US Intelligence Community: be on lookout for more Johnathan Pollard-type infiltrators--assuming you don't know who they are already.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:44am

Okay, let me say this.

I am confident we will not have a Monica type of White House like we have had.

I am also confident, that that number of statements, re-statements, clarification of earlier statements, and "we never said that to begin withs" that we have ever seen.

And, I am also sure that the MSM will be willing accomplices.

31 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:45am

re: #23 Fat Jolly Penguin

That didn't take long. Calypso Louie and Father Pfleger are baaaaaack!

They never really left, they only were put into the wings so they could emerge triumphant to illuminate the Messiah.

32 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:47am
“The tenor of the messages was that the Obama administration would take into greater account Egyptian and Syrian interests,” an aide to Malley was quoted as saying. The aide said Obama plans to launch a U.S. diplomatic initiative toward Syria. Malley met both Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad “to explain Obama’s agenda for the Middle East.”

And in a related story: Thousands of used WalMart pre-paid Visa gift cards were found in the trash bins of the Egyptian presidential palace and the vacation home of the Syrian president Assad.

Film at 2 am....

33 Karridine  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:48:49am

re: #11 Wendya

Clearly, Obama clarifies with clarity and -uh- clearness?

34 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:49:05am

re: #25 llanite

Neither is hopping in bed with them, especially on the first date...

Ah but it's not the first date, they've been going steady for quite some time now. Sadly it will us that gets screwed

35 PAgirlinNC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:49:29am

And comedians are going to have a hard time writing material on him for the next four years? Jeesh, the material practically writes itself!

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:14am

re: #27 galloping granny

I'm not under the bus!

Not yet, but if we continue to oppose the Messiah we might find under the bus to be better than some of the other totalitarian alternatives.

37 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:20am

re: #29 calcajun

memo to: Israel
subject: Future viability in the region.


Be afraid. Be very afraid. Suggest you look at Czechoslovakia 1938-39 for historical reference. Also suggest you start review target options for strategic weapons.

Also, note US Intelligence Community: be on lookout for more Johnathan Pollard-type infiltrators--assuming you don't know who they are already.

Further note: you only have 71 days!

38 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:26am

re: #35 PAgirlinNC

And comedians are going to have a hard time writing material on him for the next four years? Jeesh, the material practically writes itself!


but there is something so absolutely unfunny about Obama. I think he's a comic's worst nightmare.

It's like trying to write a comedy routine about salt

39 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:26am

Luckily, Obama still is nothing compared to the Shomer Israel

40 opnion  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:31am

That Obama is a liar is not really news. The interesting thing here is "reconcile differences with Damascus"
From the Jump, I never saw BHO fighting the WOT. I think that he has strong Islamic sympathies.

41 Darwin Akbar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:32am

I told my dhimmi Jewish friends that Obama would betray Israel and that the appointment of his Jewish Chief of Staff would not overcome the likes of Malley, Powers, Rice, Bryzynsky, Clark, McPeak, etc...

I told them I would remind them that they were warned.

While it is only small comfort to be correct, that it took less than a week to be proven right is a surprise to me.

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:32am

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, let me say this.

I am confident we will not have a Monica type of White House like we have had.

I am also confident, that we will have more statements, re-statements, clarification of earlier statements, and "we never said that to begin withs" than we have ever seen.

And, I am also sure that the MSM will be willing accomplices.

Dang it. PIMF.

43 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:48am

re: #25 llanite

Neither is hopping in bed with them, especially on the first date...

Shoot, he hopped into the sack with them after a five-minute speed date.

/before the timer bell even rung....

44 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:50:49am

I guess they didn't throw him under the bus. More like stowed him in the luggage bins for a while. I wonder who else is in there?

45 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:05am

re: #27 galloping granny

I'm not under the bus!

Not you Granny! His twp granny.

46 IgofAntioch  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:17am

Obama's integrity is a lot like his regard for the Constitution-lacking, seriously lacking.

47 k80nc  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:23am

I need to go back and re-read some Orwell, because the phrase 'double-plus ungood' keeps springing to mind. It's going to be a rough 4 years.

48 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:26am

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not yet, but if we continue to oppose the Messiah we might find under the bus to be better than some of the other totalitarian alternatives.

Furry, since I am not and never have been a bend over and take it kind of gal and I am not real good at going along to get along no matter what my conscience tells me, I fully expect to wind up either dead or in the gulag before this is over.

49 Darwin Akbar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:29am

re: #24 MrSilverDragon

Obama lied, the US died. :/


Close...how about "Obama lied, Israel fried."

50 jorline  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:39am

Obama lied...Israel cried.

51 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:40am

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And, I am also sure that the MSM will be willing accomplices.

Only for so long. They cannot stomach too many losses in viewership0--and credibility-- and nothing will attract viewers like CBS and NBC drawing down on BHO and his administration. Think of it as a "woman scorned" sort of thing. When one MSM outlet turns--and it will if things get bad enough--expect the others to follow suit.

52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:43am

"He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.”

Obviously, they meant no future role in the campaign. They won, so they can do what they want now apparently.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:47am

re: #27 galloping granny

I'm not under the bus!

I'm feeling better!

I think I'll take a walk.

54 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:51:48am

Why am I not surprised, if a liar lies?

55 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:52:04am

re: #40 opnion

That Obama is a liar is not really news. The interesting thing here is "reconcile differences with Damascus"
From the Jump, I never saw BHO fighting the WOT. I think that he has strong Islamic sympathies.

He told us that already in one of his books - that when push came to shove he would always come down on the side of islam.

56 BIG  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:53:01am
“The tenor of the messages was that the Obama administration would take into greater account Egyptian and Syrian interests,” an aide to Malley was quoted as saying.

And exactly what are the differences between Syria and the US? Oh that's right, it is that pesky support of Israel that we use to display. Now that we have got that issue out of the way, I am sure that syria can replace Israel as our friend in the middle east.

57 Karridine  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:53:13am

re: #36 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not yet, but if we continue to oppose the Messiah we might find under the bus to be better than some of the other totalitarian alternatives.

Guy with megaphone:

"Welcome to Camp Happy. You will be sensitized to others here. You WILL BE HAPPY here, if you just DO AS YOU'RE TOLD. Now that everybody's off the bus, line up HERE! Leave your bags... THERE! And come over to this 'Meeting Hall' for your first round of "Dear Leader!"
58 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:53:23am

re: #41 Darwin Akbar

I told my dhimmi Jewish friends that Obama would betray Israel and that the appointment of his Jewish Chief of Staff would not overcome the likes of Malley, Powers, Rice, Bryzynsky, Clark, McPeak, etc...

I told them I would remind them that they were warned.

While it is only small comfort to be correct, that it took less than a week to be proven right is a surprise to me.

Yeah. Being right at this point is a bit like telling Captain Smith "I told you so" right after the Titanic hit the iceberg. We are all going down together.

59 Pyrocles  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:53:30am

"Truth" is subjective to a good Postmodern Leftist like Chairman Zero.

re: #5 galloping granny

You didn't really think he fired him, did you? Or resigned from Trinity? Or has only seen William Ayers around the neighborhood?

Obama has demonstrated over and over that he is a chronic and habitual liar. He says whatever he thinks people want to hear at any given moment and 15 minutes later he will tell someone else the exact opposite. Likely he does not actually know what "truth" is.

60 gymnast  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:54:01am

re: #26 Iron Fist

Why do something like that? Then the smelly, unwashed peasants might think they are qualified to question the Divine Wisdom that pours forth from the Lightworker's mouth.

Or his ass. Whatever.

I suspect that Obama has never considered that there might be "popular unrest among the people of the United States regarding some of his "policy decisions". What was it that his "preacher was saying that was largely ignored by the press in the run up to the election?

61 akforty777  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:54:08am

Geez..no accountability, this man is going to have to be constantly hounded. If he continually does things like this and there is no negative impact on him when exposed, I wonder what hes getting away with that goes unnoticed?

62 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:54:22am

re: #52 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

"He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future.”

Obviously, they meant no future role in the campaign. They won, so they can do what they want now apparently.

The Zero uses this type of 'speak' all the time. ayers is not someone I talk to on a 'regular' basis. Clintonian, depends on what the definition of regular is...'formal' is.

63 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:54:37am

re: #56 BIG

just as it was written.....

64 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:54:47am

Obama Spokesman Says 'Obama Ready to RULE on Day 1'

The co-chair of Barack Obama's Transition Team, Valerie Jarrett, appeared on Meet the Press this weekend and used, shall we say, an interesting word to described what she thinks Barack Obama will be doing in January when he's officially sworn into office. She told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to "rule" on day one. It's a word that reflects the worst fears that people have for Obama the "arrogant," the "messiah," that imagines he's here to "rule" instead of govern.
65 joncelli  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:54:56am

The newest horror flick coming to a theatre near you: The Beast from Beneath the Bus! Starring Father Pfleger, Reverend Wright, and every hard-left Democrat since the Carter administration!

66 Wishing  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:55:24am

Pul em back out from under that bus!

67 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:55:42am

re: #59 Pyrocles

"Truth" is subjective to a good Postmodern Leftist like Chairman Zero.

One thing is for sure. Nobody will ever be telling little children tall tales about Daddy Obama's cherry trees that start with "I cannot tell a lie."

68 PAgirlinNC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:55:59am

re: #38 Shug

but there is something so absolutely unfunny about Obama. I think he's a comic's worst nightmare.

It's like trying to write a comedy routine about salt

Oh, the material's there. They have just all imbibed on the kool-aid and can't believe that The One is actually a flawed, lying, manipulative, cheating, Marxist character. If they weren't too busy trying to be PC and sing The One's praises, they would realize there is a wealth of material.

Of course, I have a dark sense of humor. I can find something to laugh about at a funeral. I just hope that the funeral I'm laughing at this time around is not the US as we know it....

Oh, I am guess I'm racist for having a dark sense of humor... /

69 Wishing  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:02am

re: #65 joncelli

The newest horror flick coming to a theatre near you: The Beast from Beneath the Bus! Starring Father Pfleger, Reverend Wright, and every hard-left Democrat since the Carter administration!

GMTA!

70 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:05am
71 FloridaAnole  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:18am

re: #12 Fat Jolly Penguin

We knew the bus tosses were only temporary. I wonder who will emerge next?

I believe Louis Farrakhan and The Reverend Wrong are aready emerging, and are about to be "rehabilitated" by the Mainstream Media Mininstry of Propaganda.

72 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:29am

re: #67 galloping granny

One thing is for sure. Nobody will ever be telling little children tall tales about Daddy Obama's cherry trees that start with "I cannot tell a lie."

Nor can there be any more "little white lies".

73 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:32am

Scandal! Scandal!

Wooo Hooo. & we ain't even had the inaugural yet.

74 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:41am

re: #63 WrathofG-d

just as it was written.....

Yup.

75 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:53am

Ya gotta watch this guy. And let him know that he's being watched. There was no blogosphere during Clinton's sham of an administration. Half-black or not, he doesn't get to sail through this shit.

76 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:56:58am

When's the State Dinner for the chinless opthomalogist and his buddy, Nassy? Which one will spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom?

77 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:57:13am

This information is very likely bogus, IMO.

First of all, it's comes third-hand: the source is IsraelNationalNews, not exactly unreliable but one that definitely has an agenda.

And where does IsraelNN it get its information? From Middle East Newsline, an outfit that uses "Independent Journalists" (without their own bylines, it seems), who have quoted anonymous sources.

/24 hour rule?

78 molepeople  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:57:15am

Remember the "Sorry World" videos after Bush's reelection?

I want to make a "Sorry Israel" video.

79 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:57:34am

re: #76 MandyManners

When's the State Dinner for the chinless opthomalogist and his buddy, Nassy? Which one will spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom?


It will look like a sleepover at the Neverland Ranch.

80 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:06am

Anyone get the feeling Hillary did one of these "Mephisto Waltz"-type soul transferences with BHO. It's sure looking like a Clinton-style White House.//

81 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:09am

I'm sure Barry hates to see Olmert go.

Olmert at Rabin memorial: We must cede parts of Jerusalem

"If we want to keep Israel Jewish and democratic, we need to give up parts of the homeland we have dreamed about for generations and [mentioned] in our prayers, even Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem, and to return to a 1967 Israel with certain amendments," he said.

82 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:11am

So, if he had no role and the Obama campaign said they had no links/severed all links, when did this start up again? Or, did Obama never sever the links as he said he'd do and Malley was there all along and no one ever bothered to report it? Where is the media reporting on this? Oh wait, they're too concerned over what kind of dog Obama's going to get his kids.

Shameful doesn't begin to cover this.

The media is not doing its damned job - which is to report the story. Malley's presence is a story, and it took an Israeli paper to find out he's still operating on behalf of Obama?

83 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:18am

Israel has to wake up and realize their survival- or not- is in their own hands. As it should be.

84 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:49am

re: #79 Shug

It will look like a sleepover at the Neverland Ranch.

Eww. Who plays Bubbles the Chimp?

85 FloridaAnole  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:50am

re: #80 calcajun

Anyone get the feeling Hillary did one of these "Mephisto Waltz"-type soul transferences with BHO. It's sure looking like a Clinton-style White House.//

OMG, that would mean that Hillary is ...?

86 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:53am

We should get a pool going now - how many LGF threads in the next four years will the phrase "Obama Lied..." feature prominently?

87 Zippy_Slug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:55am

Obama lied, America died!

gotta practice.. the libs have been chanting inane chants for the last 40 years ..

88 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:58:58am

re: #76 MandyManners

When's the State Dinner for the chinless opthomalogist and his buddy, Nassy? Which one will spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom?

Have they patched it up yet? That's the one the Clintons used to rent out for hefty sums. Some of their clientele had a wonderful evening - took souvenir photos even - jumping up and down on the historic bed until it broke.

89 bosforus  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:59:16am

To tell the truth at that time would have taken the political discussion down a road America didn't need to go. It would have been a distraction from the real issues. Like hope and change.
-Obama

90 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:59:17am

re: #82 lawhawk

The media is not doing its damned job - which is to report the story. Malley's presence is a story, and it took an Israeli paper to find out he's still operating on behalf of Obama?

Is there proof Malley has indeed made this supposed trip to Egypt and Syria?

91 unreconstructed rebel  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:09am

re: #18 Opinionated

Obama Lied Lies

Couldn't resist.

92 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:27am

re: #90 Edgar

Did someone mention the Neverland Ranch?

93 Wishing  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:37am

Not sure of their veracity, but this Malley thing is also in Egypt Daily News:
EDN

94 sevoguy  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:47am

This is going to be a very long 4 years.

I'm closing myself down for the next 4 years by going into a catatonic state. It's sad to see the USA go from a Democracy to a Welfare State.

Under the Obama plan those of us who are successful and work for a living, who wake up every day, go to work and bring home the bacon have to share our incomes with another family who gets to sleep late every day, get up and grow morbidly obese on my work ethic. That's socialism at work.

Hopefully the tide will change 4 years from now. But of course, everything we have worked so hard for will be taken away from us. I'm waiting for the day the government raids my 401k and tells me that I have way too much retirement money in it so they had to reapportion my money.

95 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:48am

re: #38 Shug

but there is something so absolutely unfunny about Obama. I think he's a comic's worst nightmare.

It's like trying to write a comedy routine about salt

NEVER PUT SALT IN YOUR EYES!

96 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:56am

re: #81 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I'm sure Barry hates to see Olmert go.

Olmert at Rabin memorial: We must cede parts of Jerusalem

Wrath On LGF Discussion: We must cede parts of Olmert.

When you read his quote you realize the stupidity of it. In essence it states that to "keep Israel Jewish" Israel needs to act exceptionally un-Jewish, and act against the Prayers of Jews to G-d over thousands of years.

That is like a Christian giving up the belief in Jesus being the son-of-G-d so as to make sure he/she stays Christian.

97 desertbrat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:00:57am

re: #17 gymnast

Perhaps Obama should share the details of his "Middle East Policy" with the American people so that we can have a better idea of what acts are aboard his foreign policy circus train.

Um....too late.

98 joncelli  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:01:29am

re: #77 Edgar

How about Forbes? Former Obama Adviser Meets Syria's Assad.

99 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:01:44am

re: #77 Edgar

re: #90 Edgar

MSM sockpuppet.

Are your eyes naturally brown, or what?

100 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:01:49am

re: #92 MandyManners

Did someone mention the Neverland Ranch?

I suppose this is one of your famous pedophile taunts, once again.

Piss off.

101 WitchDoctor  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:01:49am

“The tenor of the messages was that the Obama administration would take into greater account Egyptian and Syrian interests,

This is pre3tty much in a nutshell reason #412 why I didn't vote for him.

102 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:02:07am

re: #92 MandyManners

Did someone mention the Neverland Ranch?

ROFLMAO!

You slay me sometimes, MM.

103 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:02:10am
104 SteveC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:02:14am

re: #48 galloping granny

Furry, since I am not and never have been a bend over and take it kind of gal...

Do you like to get busy in the shower? That my kinda.... nevermind!

105 Buck  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:02:35am

Lizards, ask where the money is coming from to 'send' someone on diplomatic missions.

Who pays for this? Flights, hotels, administration costs....

One guy shuttling around can cost thousands of dollars a day. Obama is not the president yet, I don't think he has a budget from treasury quite yet.

Follow the money.

106 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:03:01am

And now we see that the most dangerous woman in America, Jaime Gorelick, is a leading candidate for Attorney General.

Time to break out the misery index.

107 FloridaAnole  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:03:19am

re: #82 lawhawk

So, if he had no role and the Obama campaign said they had no links/severed all links, when did this start up again? Or, did Obama never sever the links as he said he'd do and Malley was there all along and no one ever bothered to report it? Where is the media reporting on this? Oh wait, they're too concerned over what kind of dog Obama's going to get his kids.

Shameful doesn't begin to cover this.

The media is not doing its damned job - which is to report the story. Malley's presence is a story, and it took an Israeli paper to find out he's still operating on behalf of Obama?

We have a Media that was taught in J-school that their real mission is to make the world a better place. Given their political beliefs, the crippling of, or elimination of Israel would by their lights make the world a better place.

108 AuntAcid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:03:25am

Buckle-up pilgrims...Should be an interesting 4 years.

109 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:03:37am

re: #85 FloridaAnole

OMG, that would mean that Hillary is ...?

For once I feel sorry for Bill.///

110 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:03:48am

re: #98 joncelli

How about Forbes? Former Obama Adviser Meets Syria's Assad.

Ok, that's more like it.

111 bombarafat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:04:28am

He's a tool

112 Pyrocles  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:04:28am

What are guys like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher going to do now, without Bush to make fun of? Bush made these peoples' careers. They can't mock Obama or his policies without being considered "racist". Will they just go after obscure Republican politicians, Christians, and/or Israel?

re: #68 PAgirlinNC

Oh, the material's there. They have just all imbibed on the kool-aid and can't believe that The One is actually a flawed, lying, manipulative, cheating, Marxist character. If they weren't too busy trying to be PC and sing The One's praises, they would realize there is a wealth of material.

Of course, I have a dark sense of humor. I can find something to laugh about at a funeral. I just hope that the funeral I'm laughing at this time around is not the US as we know it....

Oh, I am guess I'm racist for having a dark sense of humor... /

113 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:04:31am

re: #12 Fat Jolly Penguin

We knew the bus tosses were only temporary. I wonder who will emerge next?

Rev. Wright will be put in charge of the faith-based initiatives program.

114 pat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:04:39am

Obama's penchant for lying is become very troublesome. It is interesting that the MSM brands Bush, who has never lied about anything, a liar. But gives Obama who lies constantly adulation, and even assists him in his lies.

115 SteveC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:05:25am

re: #73 unreconstructed rebel

Scandal! Scandal!

Wooo Hooo. & we ain't even had the inaugural yet.

Great Googly Moogly, Barak, every other President has waited until after their Inauguration to start being dishonest! Why you got to be different?!?!

116 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:05:39am

re: #96 WrathofG-d

Wrath On LGF Discussion: We must cede parts of Olmert.

When you read his quote you realize the stupidity of it. In essence it states that to "keep Israel Jewish" Israel needs to act exceptionally un-Jewish, and act against the Prayers of Jews to G-d over thousands of years.

That is like a Christian giving up the belief in Jesus being the son-of-G-d so as to make sure he/she stays Christian.

Agreed. Olmert is an idiot. Why is it whenever a concession is to be made, its up to Israel to make it? Why do we never hear a Pali say "If we want to create a Palistinian State, we need to give up parts of the homeland we have dreamed about for generations and [mentioned] in our prayers, even Jewish neighborhoods of Jerusalem."

Oh, I forgot. They dont care about a state, they just want to drive Israel into the sea.

117 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:00am

re: #96 WrathofG-d

Wrath On LGF Discussion: We must cede parts of Olmert.

When you read his quote you realize the stupidity of it. In essence it states that to "keep Israel Jewish" Israel needs to act exceptionally un-Jewish, and act against the Prayers of Jews to G-d over thousands of years.

That is like a Christian giving up the belief in Jesus being the son-of-G-d so as to make sure he/she stays Christian.

Let me ask pardon in advance of our Jewish friends should this cause offense, but Olmert quite reminds me of those leaders of the European Jewish communities during the Hitler era that urged co-operation at all costs. . . . . all the way to the gates of Auschwitz.

118 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:00am

re: #100 Edgar

I suppose this is one of your famous pedophile taunts, once again.

Piss off.

I'm famous?!

Woooohooooooooooooooooo!

119 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:10am

re: #106 Quilly Mammoth

And now we see that the most dangerous woman in America, Jaime Gorelick, is a leading candidate for Attorney General.

Time to break out the misery index.

That is possibly the most disturbing news I have heard of late.
Expect the WOT to be converted to the WOR (War on Republicans).
Gorelick is a walking, breathing, ongoing, slow motion disaster.

120 Ceemack  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:15am

Obama Lied...


Stop the presses!

121 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:21am

re: #116 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Oh, I forgot. They dont care about a state, they just want to drive Israel into the sea.

I think they care about doing both, actually.

122 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:26am

Obamessiah performs his first official miracle! He pulls Malley out alive from under the bus! Can I get a "Hallelujah"?

123 nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:28am

Well I sure HOPE all my fellow Jews ( the ones that voted for Obama ) are happy about the apparent CHANGE in Middle East Policy that anyone with a brain could of seen coming a mile away?

124 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:06:59am

re: #120 Ceemack

Obama Lied...


Stop the presses!

That's what the editors are saying at every newspaper across the country... every single day.

125 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:00am

re: #102 Intrepid

ROFLMAO!

You slay me sometimes, MM.

;-)

Happy Birthday!

126 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:03am

re: #118 MandyManners

I'm famous?!

Woooohooooooooooooooooo!

Always have been.

127 Dayenu  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:18am

re: #13 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

Don't worry. I'll take care of the liberal Jews. Or at least, my own family. And you can take care of yours.

Fat lot of good it does. Mom still always responds to every Obama criticism I have with: "But Sarah Palin-"

128 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:20am

re: #118 MandyManners

I'm famous?!

Woooohooooooooooooooooo!

Your obnoxious blog comments will be your only claim to fame, however.

129 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:31am

re: #105 Buck

Lizards, ask where the money is coming from to 'send' someone on diplomatic missions.

Who pays for this? Flights, hotels, administration costs....

One guy shuttling around can cost thousands of dollars a day. Obama is not the president yet, I don't think he has a budget from treasury quite yet.

Follow the money.

Probably sent him there on his budget as a Senator. That is how he WE paid for his World Tour - a "fact finding" mission.

130 joncelli  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:38am

re: #119 rawmuse

And the chinese wall between intelligence and law enforcement will rise once again. Just to set the stage for another mass-casualty attack.

131 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:07:50am

Nothing like another Logan Act violation to brighten up your day.

132 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:08:07am

re: #128 Edgar

Guess being an obnoxious sockpuppet is yours.

Are your eyes naturally brown, or what?

133 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:08:12am

re: #125 MandyManners

;-)

Happy Birthday!

Thank you!

134 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:08:19am

re: #106 Quilly Mammoth

And now we see that the most dangerous woman in America, Jaime Gorelick, is a leading candidate for Attorney General.

Time to break out the misery index.

Get ready for 9/11 II.

135 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:08:33am

re: #5 galloping granny

You didn't really think he fired him, did you? Or resigned from Trinity? Or has only seen William Ayers around the neighborhood?

Obama has demonstrated over and over that he is a chronic and habitual liar. He says whatever he thinks people want to hear at any given moment and 15 minutes later he will tell someone else the exact opposite. Likely he does not actually know what "truth" is.

Like Bill Clinton before him, the truth, to Obama, is whatever he believes at any particular moment in time - regardless of previous beliefs to the contrary, and subject to change to a new set of beliefs at any time, on short notice.

136 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:08:44am

re: #131 Shr_Nfr

Nothing like another Logan Act violation to brighten up your day.

I'm wobbly on ConLaw but, can an Executive Order countermand a statute?

137 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:09:26am

re: #135 Son of the Black Dog

Like Bill Clinton before him, the truth, to Obama, is whatever he believes at any particular moment in time - regardless of previous beliefs to the contrary, and subject to change to a new set of beliefs at any time, on short notice.

The truth is plastic to naricissists.

138 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:09:48am

re: #114 pat

Obama's penchant for lying is become very troublesome. It is interesting that the MSM brands Bush, who has never lied about anything, a liar. But gives Obama who lies constantly adulation, and even assists him in his lies.

That is because you are seeing 1984 come to life in front of your very eyes. Good has become evil, lies have become truth, truth is now lie and so on right down the line. . .

139 SteveC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:10:07am

re: #106 Quilly Mammoth

And now we see that the most dangerous woman in America, Jaime Gorelick, is a leading candidate for Attorney General.

Time to break out the misery index.

100%.... and climbing

140 markx  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:10:12am
“The tenor of the messages was that the Obama administration would take into greater account Egyptian and Syrian interests,” ...

This is news?

'...to explain Obama’s agenda for the Middle East.”

Is this necessary? I'm sure they know, I sure know.
I have a feeling there will be a lot of 'wink, wink, nudge, nudge' going on .

141 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:10:20am

re: #121 Edgar

I think they care about doing both, actually.

From an objective standpoint, if they were interested in having a state, they would have accepted the Camp David deal in 2000; or would have used the Gaza disengagement or any point in between to actually build a state, rather than establish a terrorist camp writ large. They are far more interested in destroying Israel than they are in building a state.

142 markx  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:11:22am

re: #7 Intrepid

Barack Obama: Selling out America, one slimy step at a time.

One step? He will be taking 2 giant steps at a time.

143 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:11:31am

re: #118 MandyManners

I'm famous?!

Woooohooooooooooooooooo!

Mandy darling! Who knew! I am so proud of you :)

144 Giya  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:11:37am

I'm SHOCKED! Just SHOCKED!

I caught a headline yesterday that Medvedev wants to have a meeting with Barack ASAP. Funny how history repeats itself. Pretty damn similar to JFK's disastrous summit with Kruschev in Vienna 1961 shortly after taking the office. Funny how they never taught any of that in school. Or how Kennedy’s weakness on Germany lead directly to the construction of the Berlin Wall.

Medvedev is no Kruschev, but certainly he is no pushover with Putin pulling his strings. With Russia placing missiles on Poland’s border, why am I being overcome with an unshakable sense of deja vu? Medvedev is pushing to change term limits on the Presidency and, according to the Russian paper Vedomosti, it’s all a part of a plan to get Putin back in the Chair for another 20 years. Imagine Barak scheduling the meeting with Medvedev only to have Putin show up for the tea party?

Putin must have a thrill going up his leg.

And I think I'm going to be sick....

145 foxtrotter  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:12:10am

re: #78 molepeople

Remember the "Sorry World" videos after Bush's reelection?

I want to make a "Sorry Israel" video.

I said the exact same thing at work last Wednesday. I'm not going to cry, wring my hands, apologize to the world ("sorry everybody!") and threaten to move to Canada like the liberals did after 2004, but there is a part of me that wants to apologize to Israel for how the actions of my fellow Americans might affect them.

146 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:12:10am

I'm pretty sure we all know what outstanding movers & shakers the ICG maintains.

147 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:12:50am

The "Dear Leader" stuff will never fly in this country. Even blacks would revolt against it I know, I know-I've seen the Children of the Corn video. There will be isolated examples. There always are.

148 NR Pax  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:13:02am

This is not the Obama I knew.

Wait...

149 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:13:17am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

Get ready for 9/11 II.

Sadly, yes. I have a bad feeling something along those lines will pop up shortly after The One's innauguration.

150 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:13:31am

re: #144 Giya

I'm SHOCKED! Just SHOCKED!

I caught a headline yesterday that Medvedev wants to have a meeting with Barack ASAP. Funny how history repeats itself. Pretty damn similar to JFK's disastrous summit with Kruschev in Vienna 1961 shortly after taking the office. Funny how they never taught any of that in school. Or how Kennedy’s weakness on Germany lead directly to the construction of the Berlin Wall.

Medvedev is no Kruschev, but certainly he is no pushover with Putin pulling his strings. With Russia placing missiles on Poland’s border, why am I being overcome with an unshakable sense of deja vu? Medvedev is pushing to change term limits on the Presidency and, according to the Russian paper Vedomosti, it’s all a part of a plan to get Putin back in the Chair for another 20 years. Imagine Barak scheduling the meeting with Medvedev only to have Putin show up for the tea party?

Putin must have a thrill going up his leg.

And I think I'm going to be sick....

Welcome to WWIII - pitstop on the way to Armageddon.

151 SpartanWoman  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:10am

re: #123 nevergiveup

Well I sure HOPE all my fellow Jews ( the ones that voted for Obama ) are happy about the apparent CHANGE in Middle East Policy that anyone with a brain could of seen coming a mile away?

They are happy, the trust the dems completely. It amazes me how my congregation accepted Rahm as Queen Esther

152 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:27am

The market has dropped back to about break even on the day.

Looks like the market has not yet down with Marxism.

153 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:30am

re: #136 MandyManners

I'm wobbly on ConLaw but, can an Executive Order countermand a statute?

Generally speaking, a law enacted by Congress trumps an Executive Order. (The possible exception would be if the White House argued that the Executive Order covered an area reserved to the Executive Branch by the Constitution; then, the matter would likely go to the Court.)

154 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:38am

re: #149 Honorary Yooper

Sadly, yes. I have a bad feeling something along those lines will pop up shortly after The One's innauguration.

It may take longer than that, but I think it's coming.

155 Buck  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:39am

re: #129 galloping granny

Probably sent him there on his budget as a Senator. That is how he WE paid for his World Tour - a "fact finding" mission.

That would be improper.... Even a Senator can't send someone else to do a diplomatic mission.

I suspect there is middle east money paying for the expenses. If Malley convinces (read cons) people into thinking he really does have the President elects ear, then he might be milking some 'consulting fees' and expenses.

BUT THE QUESTION MUST BE ASKED.

156 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:39am

re: #141 lawhawk

From an objective standpoint, if they were interested in having a state, they would have accepted the Camp David deal in 2000; or would have used the Gaza disengagement or any point in between to actually build a state, rather than establish a terrorist camp writ large. They are far more interested in destroying Israel than they are in building a state.

I think their logic is somewhat different. They figure that the best way to get what they want (the entire piece of land) is to bleed Israel for decades until it collapses and they can overwhelm it.

These groups are not known for being pragmatic, after all.

157 Wendya  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:48am

re: #114 pat

Obama's penchant for lying is become very troublesome. It is interesting that the MSM brands Bush, who has never lied about anything, a liar. But gives Obama who lies constantly adulation, and even assists him in his lies.

Lying to advance the liberal agenda has never been viewed as a negative.

It is the leftist version of Taqiyya.

158 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:14:58am

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

No kidding. That woman has been part and parcel of two of the biggest screw ups in modern American History. She erected the wall between FBI and CIA and destroyed the safeguards of Fannie Mae's lending practices. She flat out approved the issuance of opaque securities that created, in large measure, the economic crisis we now live in.

G-d help us all if becomes AG.

159 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:15:00am

re: #106 Quilly Mammoth

And now we see that the most dangerous woman in America, Jaime Gorelick, is a leading candidate for Attorney General.

Time to break out the misery index.

Let's see how long it takes HER to fire all the US Attorneys--and who will complain about that.

160 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:15:28am

re: #147 Salem

The "Dear Leader" stuff will never fly in this country. Even blacks would revolt against it I know, I know-I've seen the Children of the Corn video. There will be isolated examples. There always are.

Good luck with that. It won't fly with us older folk - until they decide that we've fulfilled our alloted time and anything further would only contribute excess CO2 to global warming. The kiddies are all sheeple that have been indoctrinated since they could walk.

161 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:16:05am

re: #141 lawhawk

From an objective standpoint, if they were interested in having a state, they would have accepted the Camp David deal in 2000; or would have used the Gaza disengagement or any point in between to actually build a state, rather than establish a terrorist camp writ large. They are far more interested in destroying Israel than they are in building a state.

And the funniest thing is that they are not lying about it. They openly state time and again what their goals are. It is just that the loyal leftist apologists rush to say what they "really" meant, much like Sean Penn told us that when the Iranians chant daily "Death to America," it is just a thing with them, cultural doncha know, they don't really mean it.

I'm reminded of a Memri tape showing two ~13-yr-old Palestinian girls being asked if they'd rather have their state or die as 'martyrs.' They both immediately said, "Oh, martyrs of course. It's what everyone most hopes for."

162 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:16:07am

re: #150 galloping granny

Welcome to WWIII - pitstop on the way to Armageddon.

Expect to see Russian military hardware deployed in Caracas and in Cuba. Next, we lose Panama Canal privileges.

163 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:16:17am

re: #152 3 wood

The market has dropped back to about break even on the day.

Looks like the market has not yet down with Marxism.

Then the stock market is obviously racist! Something must be done about that!

164 nyc redneck  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:16:36am

how long until hamas is taken off the US State Departments list of terrorists?

165 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:16:44am

re: #145 foxtrotter

I said the exact same thing at work last Wednesday. I'm not going to cry, wring my hands, apologize to the world ("sorry everybody!") and threaten to move to Canada like the liberals did after 2004, but there is a part of me that wants to apologize to Israel for how the actions of my fellow Americans might affect them.

Why should we apologize to the world? THEY are the ones that wanted Obama so much that he got illegal financing from all over the world.

166 SteveC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:16:51am

re: #141 lawhawk

From an objective standpoint, if they were interested in having a state, they would have accepted the Camp David deal in 2000; or would have used the Gaza disengagement or any point in between to actually build a state, rather than establish a terrorist camp writ large. They are far more interested in destroying Israel than they are in building a state.

I've always wondered what the answer would be if someone asked. "OK, Palestinians, you've managed to eliminate Israel. What are you going to do now?"

(And no, you can't go to Disney World!)

167 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:11am

re: #161 Silhouette

I'm reminded of a Memri tape showing two ~13-yr-old Palestinian girls being asked if they'd rather have their state or die as 'martyrs.' They both immediately said, "Oh, martyrs of course. It's what everyone most hopes for."

Not surprising given the level of brainwashing in Palestinian society.

168 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:15am

re: #162 calcajun

Expect to see Russian military hardware deployed in Caracas and in Cuba.

Er, that's already been done. In the latter case, for quite some time.

169 logboy  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:24am

Paling around with terrorists? Me!?!? Never!

170 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:32am

re: #94 sevoguy

Under the Obama plan those of us who are successful and work for a living, who wake up every day, go to work and bring home the bacon have to share our incomes with another family who gets to sleep late every day, get up and grow morbidly obese on my work ethic. That's socialism at work.

Just remember, Uncle Joe (Biden, not Stalin although it's hard to notice much difference) says that it's your patriotic duty to pay more taxes and transfer your wealth to others.

Repeat after Obama: From each according to your ability, to each according to your need.

171 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:32am

Although it is a bit of a surprise that 0bama can't keep one of his promises even a week, are Israeli's or Jewish people worldwide surprised that he is an Israel-hater?
WHY?
Where was his trickery?
He didn't even try to fool people about this.
Israel will very soon be on its own.
Re-arming will be the hard part.

172 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:48am

re: #162 calcajun

Expect to see Russian military hardware deployed in Caracas and in Cuba. Next, we lose Panama Canal privileges.

The Russians have already made big sales to Caracas and at the time of the recent Georgian crisis that was a Russian fleet steaming for Venezuela to hold joint naval exercises with them. Not a peep of protest out of DC.

173 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:17:59am

Obama did not lie!

He cast Malley out from heaven with very strong words and admonition- how dare you be discovered to be doing embarrassing dealings with terrorist scum.

Malley was rehired the day after the election because when you want an antiIsrael leftist sack of terrorist loving protoplasm, his ooze is the best there is.

I hope the subtlety of this point is not lost on my fellow losers nor seen as an indication of Obama possessing a low mean character and a direct personal loyalty to certified Jew haters.

This is but the beginning.

174 FloridaAnole  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:18:10am

Notice Malley has been working on Obama's behalf "these last few weeks"; this has been going on since long before last week's election. I think we can add baldfaced duplicity to the list of Obama's signature characteristics, right along with glibness.

175 SummerSong  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:18:17am

I keep seeing on Fox news, a small clip of Obama on election night. The clip features Obama saying, "we are, and always have been, the United States of America". And then the crowd goes wild.

Thank goodness he didn't tell them that water is wet and fire is hot. They may have fallen out entirely...

Asshat.

176 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:18:36am

re: #166 SteveC

I've always wondered what the answer would be if someone asked. "OK, Palestinians, you've managed to eliminate Israel. What are you going to do now?"

Probably create a dozen or so national holidays for "victories" over the Zionist entity and for suicide bombers.

177 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:18:51am

re: #164 nyc redneck

how long until hamas is taken off the US State Departments list of terrorists?

6 months, but they'll do it first by de-listing the "diplomatic wing" of Hamas or the "charity wing" of Hamas.

178 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:19:30am

re: #175 SummerSong

I keep seeing on Fox news, a small clip of Obama on election night. The clip features Obama saying, "we are, and always have been, the United States of America". And then the crowd goes wild.

Thank goodness he didn't tell them that water is wet and fire is hot. They may have fallen out entirely...

Asshat.

Think he meant to emphasize the word "United,"

179 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:19:47am

re: #152 3 wood

The market has dropped back to about break even on the day.

Looks like the market has not yet down with Marxism.

A strong market will keep Marxism, even at the top, in check. If the market prospers, either Obummer will reap it's benefits and alienate his Marxist bretheren, or they'll pull his strings and in their ongoing mission to portray Capitalism as a failed system.

180 Wendya  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:19:54am

re: #153 Occasional Reader

Generally speaking, a law enacted by Congress trumps an Executive Order. (The possible exception would be if the White House argued that the Executive Order covered an area reserved to the Executive Branch by the Constitution; then, the matter would likely go to the Court.)


Remember what Paul Begala said?

Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kind of cool.

181 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:20:01am

"be the opposition, not the oppressed"
(copyright 2008, Adrenalyn)

182 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:20:02am

re: #116 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

re: #117 galloping granny

Olmert is worse than just an idiot...he is dangerous. He is a defeated man. Like "gallping granny" stated, Olmert's leadership skills are more Judenraat, than Mordechaj Anielewicz. He would give up everything worth fighting for so not to have to fight. Let's not forget Olmert's own words "We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies." This shmuck is the last guy that should have ever be running Israel.

183 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:20:21am

re: #155 Buck

That would be improper.... Even a Senator can't send someone else to do a diplomatic mission.

I suspect there is middle east money paying for the expenses. If Malley convinces (read cons) people into thinking he really does have the President elects ear, then he might be milking some 'consulting fees' and expenses.

BUT THE QUESTION MUST BE ASKED.

And?

Mideast money picking up the tab would not be just improper. That would be highly illegal. Acting as an agent for a foreign power. Shooting offense in time of war.

184 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:20:29am

re: #168 Occasional Reader

Er, that's already been done. In the latter case, for quite some time.

Er. Pardon me. There are no Russian offensive weapons manned by Russian troops in either place. Both countries have the hardware. There are no conventional military assets (troop formations, air wings, naval squadrons, missile batteries etc.) a deployed in either location. Yet.

185 freedombilly  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:20:46am

He could really usher in change if he told the truth.

186 MadJadBad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:20:52am

One thing I've noticed about the Obama administration so far is that they backpedal faster than a nerd in a boxing match. As soon as they are called on the carpet for something, they apologize or delete all references to it. Keep your eyes open and don't let them pull this sneaky stuff.

187 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:21:12am

re: #112 Pyrocles

What are guys like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher going to do now, without Bush to make fun of? Bush made these peoples' careers. They can't mock Obama or his policies without being considered "racist". Will they just go after obscure Republican politicians, Christians, and/or Israel?

They will go after any dissent against The One.

188 jemima  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:21:15am

re: #150 galloping granny

Welcome to WWIII - pitstop on the way to Armageddon.

I did so want to visit Tuscany...

189 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:21:33am

re: #164 nyc redneck

how long until hamas is taken off the US State Departments list of terrorists?

Jan, 20, 2009 22 seconds after the swearing in ceremony.

190 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:21:42am

Does 0bama only know uber-radicals and Clintonistas?
Where's the ''change?"

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:22:37am

re: #153 Occasional Reader

Generally speaking, a law enacted by Congress trumps an Executive Order. (The possible exception would be if the White House argued that the Executive Order covered an area reserved to the Executive Branch by the Constitution; then, the matter would likely go to the Court.)

Given the soon-to-be makeup of the Executive and Legislative branches I doubt Congress would stop an Obama EO by not introducing and passing legislation to complement/enforce the EO.

192 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:22:48am

re: #160 galloping granny

Good luck with that. It won't fly with us older folk - until they decide that we've fulfilled our alloted time and anything further would only contribute excess CO2 to global warming. The kiddies are all sheeple that have been indoctrinated since they could walk.

Well, that's interesting. I remember the indoctrination when I was a kiddie in school. In America, our brains just aren't wired for totalitarianism.

193 foxtrotter  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:22:58am

re: #165 galloping granny

Why should we apologize to the world? THEY are the ones that wanted Obama so much that he got illegal financing from all over the world.

Oh, I'm not saying we should, I'm talking about the website and book that came out after the 2004 election where depressed liberals held up signs apologizing to the world for the 52% (or whatever the exact percentage was) of "backwards" Americans who actually had the gall to re-elect Bush.

194 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:23:04am

In a year, even moonbats will be missing George W. Bush.

Like his policy or not, President Bush is a man of deep personal character, who does his very best for America each and every day.
And he is a man who tells the truth

195 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:23:21am

re: #86 Intrepid

We should get a pool going now - how many LGF threads in the next four years will the phrase "Obama Lied..." feature prominently?

How many stars in the Milky Way?

196 SteveC  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:24:09am

re: #176 Edgar

Probably create a dozen or so national holidays for "victories" over the Zionist entity and for suicide bombers.

Good idea! Let's get on that right away! Hold on.... national holiday? The Palestinians never did actually create a nation, did they? Can you have a national holiday when you don't have a nation?

/quick, somebody ask for a mulligan....

197 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:24:21am

re: #188 jemima

I did so want to visit Tuscany...

You might wanna do it now, before either you or it are gone.

198 anna  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:24:22am

Congrats 52%, you just elected a Liar-in-Chief elect. uuggghhh.

Come on Dec 3 and Barry defaults.

199 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:24:33am

re: #192 Salem

Well, that's interesting. I remember the indoctrination when I was a kiddie in school. In America, our brains just aren't wired for totalitarianism.

How old are you?

200 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:25:01am

re: #98 joncelli

How about Forbes? Former Obama Adviser Meets Syria's Assad.

Just noticed something, though. There's still no proof offered that Malley was sent by Obama (though "Damas Post" does claim he's an "advisor").

201 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:25:04am

re: #195 Son of the Black Dog

How many stars in the Milky Way?

Factor in all the stars in other galaxies and then multiply by 12 and we still might not get within sniffing distance of the stench from all the lies being spewed.

202 WriterMom  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:25:15am

re: #164 nyc redneck

Gotta wonder...

203 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:25:54am

re: #195 Son of the Black Dog

How many stars in the Milky Way?

and how many globular clusters?

204 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:26:04am

re: #188 jemima

I did so want to visit Tuscany...

Pirates on the high seas. Terrorists in the skies. Too bad we can't get there by bus. Before it is gone.

205 Teacake!  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:26:41am

I saw an article yesterday that one of the Saudi creeps flew out here to meet with the One and get to know each other.

The only good thin about this unholy alliance is that Israel will no longer be beholden to do what the US says for her to do in order for survival. The US will have no more right to tell Israel anything! And Israel can now be free of any obligations to make the US happy.

206 CharlieBravo  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:26:44am

Purposeful untruth for political expediency. This is apparently what the majority believes is best.

Was this leaked before or after the new administration got their classified security briefing? "Secret Order Lets U.S. Raid Al Qaeda in Many Countries"

207 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:27:03am

re: #106 Quilly Mammoth

And now we see that the most dangerous woman in America, Jaime Gorelick, is a leading candidate for Attorney General.

Time to break out the misery index.

Check out one interesting bit there:

She has also drawn criticism for her role at the Justice Department, in which she allegedly created an intelligence “wall” that hindered counterterrorism agents in the years before the Sept. 11 attacks.

208 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:27:09am

re: #194 Shug

In a year, even moonbats will be missing George W. Bush.

Like his policy or not, President Bush is a man of deep personal character, who does his very best for America each and every day.
And he is a man who tells the truth

Bush lied plenty to Israel. Even went back on signed letters of promises to Sharon.

If Obama is hostile to Israel, as if very certain, he still will have to work some to be more hostile and damaging then Condi Rice.

209 WriterMom  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:27:31am

re: #123 nevergiveup

Of course they are happy. The One was very transparent about, through his friends and associates, what his positions are on Israel. The Jews who support him are quite happy to push that agenda. They will have no regrets.

210 jemima  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:28:20am

Maybe we can swim for it. How far do you think it is?
No. It's two or three miles.
At least. Maybe more.
Well, what do you say? Let's go for it.
No.
Come on.
No! I can't swim.
You can't swim?
No. OK, Wonder Woman? I can't swim.
What kind of an asshole grows up in Seattle and doesn't know how to swim?
I never got around to it, OK?
I always thought there was gonna be plenty of time!
I'm sorry.
I wish I didn't know about any of this. I wish I was like everybody else in the world. Then tomorrow it would just be over. There wouldn't be any time to be sorry. About anything. Oh, Jesus! I really wanted to learn how to swim.

211 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:28:22am

re: #205 Teacake!

I saw an article yesterday that one of the Saudi creeps flew out here to meet with the One and get to know each other.

The only good thin about this unholy alliance is that Israel will no longer be beholden to do what the US says for her to do in order for survival. The US will have no more right to tell Israel anything! And Israel can now be free of any obligations to make the US happy.

I hope Bush pushes through a real big delivery for them in the next 70 days. There will be no more once he's gone.

212 Wishing  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:28:25am

re: #127 Dayenu

Don't worry. I'll take care of the liberal Jews. Or at least, my own family. And you can take care of yours.

Fat lot of good it does. Mom still always responds to every Obama criticism I have with: "But Sarah Palin-"

God and politics is usually the beef with Palin. So let Mom read this story:
FARRAKHAN SPEAKS

213 realwest  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:29:50am

re: #83 Opinionated
Well

Israel has to wake up and realize their survival- or not- is in their own hands. As it should be.

I don't know where to start with that.
Yes it is in Israel's hands now - against what, 5 Arab and one Persian nation? And the fact that Israel has been - other than, perhaps Australia and Great Britain - America's strongest ally for 50 years now counts for nothing? Oh, and please feel free to ignore the fact that the US has been politically meddling in Israeli and Israeli/Arab affairs for most of those 50 years.
If Israel's survival is in Israeli hands, then I'd suggest the very FIRST potential enemy Israel should learn to deal with is the US. To the extent the US has been Israel's ally, under Obama it will be no more - don't trust anything at all that comes out of the Obama administration concerning the survival of Israel itself.
And feel free to disregard America's situation in the Middle East, if it adversley affects Israel, since your very survival depends entirely on you.

214 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:30:20am

re: #78 molepeople

I had so hoped we were going to have another election that caused the Left to appologise to the world. I guess it just didn't work out that way. Sorry, Americans...

215 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:30:24am

re: #128 Edgar

Your obnoxious blog comments will be your only claim to fame, however.

You're flame-ous!

216 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:30:24am

re: #199 galloping granny

How old are you?

41 All we ever learned about in history was about slavery and those poor, poor Indians. And they were already starting in on us with the global warming nonsense.

The bottom line-when the rubber hits the road, the brainwashed kids won't be able to compete when they grow up, so while they may be kind of a drag on things they won't be a factor. The safety net they were promised won't be there, and they'll have to wise up or starve.

217 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:33:34am

re: #216 Salem

41 All we ever learned about in history was about slavery and those poor, poor Indians. And they were already starting in on us with the global warming nonsense.

The bottom line-when the rubber hits the road, the brainwashed kids won't be able to compete when they grow up, so while they may be kind of a drag on things they won't be a factor. The safety net they were promised won't be there, and they'll have to wise up or starve.

I think you missed this -

The "Dear Leader" stuff will never fly in this country. Even blacks would revolt against it I know, I know-I've seen the Children of the Corn video. There will be isolated examples. There always are.

The "Dear Leader" stuff will fly just fine with our brainwashed hordes of kiddies.

218 legalpad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:33:56am

re: #128 Edgar

You're a nasty mthrfkr, aren't you?

219 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:35:04am

The "Dear Leader" stuff is exaclty what all of our ''Peggy the Moochers" are hoping for.
CHANGE!

220 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:35:46am

I love the fact that nobody here will believe a thing the MSM will post, because it's clearly biased for 'The One.' However everyone here is all too quick to jump on Middle East news agencies, because you know, they have no adgenda other than to report fair and unbaised information to the population..... ya.

221 realwest  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:35:48am

re: #106 Quilly Mammoth
Ah yes, another Harvard grad - and Washington insider - tell me, has Mr. Hope and Change appointed or considered appointng someone from outside the Beltway?!

222 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:37:06am

re: #184 calcajun

Er. Pardon me. There are no Russian offensive weapons manned by Russian troops in either place.

You originally said "Russian hardware", period. Nothing about "manned by Russian troops".

223 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:37:24am

re: #79 Shug

It will look like a sleepover at the Neverland Ranch.


Apparently you did. I see you can't bring yourself to stay away from calling people you disagree with 'pedophiles,' or allusions to it. Classic of the intellectually weak.

224 Nuclear Ninja  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:37:24am

He's an "unusually talented" liar.

225 Adrenalyn  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:37:54am

re: #189 galloping granny

Jan, 20, 2009 22 seconds after the swearing in ceremony.

the question is really

when will Republicans be listed as terrorists ?

(and bloggers !)

226 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:38:47am

The DOW is now down 64 points.

The investors are not grasping the allure of Marxism.

227 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:38:57am

re: #213 realwest

Well

I don't know where to start with that.
Yes it is in Israel's hands now - against what, 5 Arab and one Persian nation? And the fact that Israel has been - other than, perhaps Australia and Great Britain - America's strongest ally for 50 years now counts for nothing? Oh, and please feel free to ignore the fact that the US has been politically meddling in Israeli and Israeli/Arab affairs for most of those 50 years.
If Israel's survival is in Israeli hands, then I'd suggest the very FIRST potential enemy Israel should learn to deal with is the US. To the extent the US has been Israel's ally, under Obama it will be no more - don't trust anything at all that comes out of the Obama administration concerning the survival of Israel itself.
And feel free to disregard America's situation in the Middle East, if it adversley affects Israel, since your very survival depends entirely on you.

Are you aware- something most Americans are not aware of- that for the first 20 or so years of Israel's rebirth, when it fought for its Independence against attacking Arabs (under a US arms embargo), when it fought the 1956 war (and retreated under US pressure) and even when it had to again face the Arabs alone in 1967, the US was neutral at best and sometimes hostile at worst. And Israel survived just fine.

That is what I mean. Israel can not rely on the US particularly in an Obama Administration. They have to act as if they are all alone. Which they are. Can they survive under such circumstances? Will they make correct decisions? History will tell.

228 Shug  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #223 JohnDakota

Apparently you did. I see you can't bring yourself to stay away from calling people you disagree with 'pedophiles,' or allusions to it. Classic of the intellectually weak.

GFY Sock Puppet

229 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:40:22am

re: #217 galloping granny

The "Dear Leader" stuff will fly just fine with our brainwashed hordes of kiddies.

I don't think it will wash out that way. The state doesn't have a lock on information like they did in communist countries. The kids who learn to read will have access to alternative views, which they will seek out at the onset of their inevitable disillusionment. The kids who can't read will have to little cunning and influence to be useful to their masters.

230 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:40:26am

re: #220 JohnDakota

I love the fact that nobody here will believe a thing the MSM will post, because it's clearly biased for 'The One.' However everyone here is all too quick to jump on Middle East news agencies, because you know, they have no adgenda other than to report fair and unbaised information to the population..... ya.

Both an Israeli source and an Egyptian source have confirmed.

What agenda do you think they share?

231 Kenneth  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:40:38am

re: #184 calcajun

Er. Pardon me. There are no Russian offensive weapons manned by Russian troops in either place.

You are splitting hairs. There have been Russian military advisers in Cuba for decades training the Cubans on how to use their Russian military equipment, including "offensive weapons". The Russian's are now selling military hardware to Venezuela and as usual, that comes with "on location customer support services".

232 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:41:30am

re: #227 Opinionated

Even without strong Countries as allies, Israel is never alone.

233 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:42:29am

re: #226 3 wood

The DOW is now down 64 points.

The investors are not grasping the allure of Marxism.

I hope the NYT is sinking fast. If I knew how to help torpedo them I would.

234 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:43:40am

re: #225 Adrenalyn

the question is really

when will Republicans be listed as terrorists ?

(and bloggers !)

As soon as they can give the current terrorists at GITMO medals, let them go, and make room for us.

235 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #228 Shug

Yes.. i agree you probably are a sock puppet

236 legalpad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:45:48am

re: #235 JohnDakota

So - your posts are "intellectually strong"?

237 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:46:49am

OK, OK, so I'm an optimist. But brainwashing like you see in sci-fi movies isn't sustainable in an open society. Few people can be utterly brainwashed into unquestioning compliance. You can't stop stop people from getting ideas and looking for angles and niches that undermine the controlling authority. That's why Capitalism works. Money talks-bullshit walks.

238 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:47:31am

re: #230 Silhouette

Actually on the Egyptian source cited him as an Obama associated aide. And in terms of adgenda... ummm.. I don't know.. they're a state run news agency. Maybe they would rather put a little spice on who they're having talks with? What do you think sounds better; We've been talking to an aide to President Elect Obama, OR We've been talking to some guy involved in a crisis managment company that got fired by Obama?

Seems pretty straight forward to me. But by all means, believe the slant of a Middle East news agency over north american ones if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

239 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:48:04am

re: #233 galloping granny

I hope the NYT is sinking fast. If I knew how to help torpedo them I would.

Ask and ye shall receive:

NYT stock at 52 week low.

It's down to $8.86 a share.

240 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:48:19am

re: #236 legalpad

ABSOLUTELY!

I eat brains for breakfest. Monkey brains.. because Zombie has the market on human brains =(

241 Wilderstad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:49:03am

It's going to be a long four years monitoring this joke of a president. Yeah, I know he's about as funny as a bone break. Let's hope and pray that even with his "advisors" that he finds changing things exceedingly difficult and manages to hurt himself much, much more than the United States.
I can't believe the American voter bought into this Marxist Marionette.

242 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:49:55am

re: #237 Salem

OK, OK, so I'm an optimist. But brainwashing like you see in sci-fi movies isn't sustainable in an open society. Few people can be utterly brainwashed into unquestioning compliance. You can't stop stop people from getting ideas and looking for angles and niches that undermine the controlling authority. That's why Capitalism works. Money talks-bullshit walks.

Enough of our thirty and under crowd have been so brainwashed into political "correctness" and group think/action that they are not capable of independent action, any more than they are capable of simple addition without a calculator.

243 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:50:32am

I wonder if Malley discussed Syria's statement that they would NEVER make a concession to Israel.

See, because this begs the question posed above: why is it Israel that must always make all the concessions?

244 calcajun  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:51:03am

re: #231 Kenneth

Yeah, but not at the level of 1962--either in terms of offensive weapons or personnel.

245 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:51:24am

re: #239 3 wood

Ask and ye shall receive:

NYT stock at 52 week low.

It's down to $8.86 a share.

Lower please! It is time for the Slimes to lock up the doors and turn off the presses. They've done more than enough damage to our country.

246 Occasional Reader  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:51:32am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

See, because this begs raises the question posed above

Pet peeve. Sorry.

247 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:52:13am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I wonder if Malley discussed Syria's statement that they would NEVER make a concession to Israel.

See, because this begs the question posed above: why is it Israel that must always make all the concessions?

Because Israel might injure the poor Arab male psyche when they whip their collective asses again next time around, that's why.

248 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:52:20am

re: #242 galloping granny

Capitalism has a strong couple hundred years, making the United States the most powerful, and successful Country in the world, but when it has a difficult 2 months.....the morons are ready to toss it for an economic system that has always failed

Got to enjoy today's ''logic''.

249 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:52:31am

re: #239 3 wood

Ask and ye shall receive:

NYT stock at 52 week low.

It's down to $8.86 a share.

The Sulzberger Family doesn't care so much about the stock price. They live on the dividend.

The time to celebrate will be when that is cut to zero.

250 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:52:57am

NYT stock is now at a new 52 week low (to match their work product) at $8.82 a share and dropping

251 realwest  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:54:11am

re: #241 Wilderstad
Respectfully your

I can't believe the American voter bought into this Marxist Marionette.

is bassackwards.
Obama and his nearly 7 hundred million dollars bought the American electorate.

252 3 wood  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:55:19am

re: #249 Opinionated

The Sulzberger Family doesn't care so much about the stock price. They live on the dividend.

But the Marxist's on their staff sure do care.

Call me harsh, but I want to see them out of work.

253 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:55:21am

re: #247 galloping granny

The Arab world is very lucky that Wrath is not P.M. of Israel (yet). The first gesture for peace to the Arabs I would offer is that I will allow them to what they already possess of their countries. The second is that if they refrain from attempting to murder my citizens, damage my holy sites, and threaten the lives of my family (the Jewish people) I will give up my desires for a "Greater Israel".

That is the starting point to any healthy negotiations.

254 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:55:55am

ok work time. brb

255 legalpad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:56:05am

re: #240 JohnDakota

ABSOLUTELY!

I eat brains for breakfest. Monkey brains.. because Zombie has the market on human brains =(

OK, well, that certainly makes it clear!

256 Salem  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:56:30am

Ultimately, ends collapse and the center holds. The left will fail and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

257 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:57:20am

Hmmmm....

JohnDakota
Registered since: Jul 5, 2007 at 5:32 pm
No. of comments posted: 36
No. of links posted: 0

Four of those big 36 posts made today.

258 realwest  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #248 WrathofG-d
Worse, I'm afraid. Economy was doing ok in 2005. In 2006 the country elected Democatic majorities in both houses of Congress.
In 2008 we start to see the "fall" of capitalism in the US when voters elect not only a significantly larger majority of Dems into Congress (which, btw, actually spends the money, not the POTUS) and a Marxist buys their votes for POTUS.

259 Wilderstad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:58:28am

re: #251 realwest

Depends on how you look at it I suppose. Yes Obama collected lots of illegal and fraudulent votes and money and spent the money like water.
However, the voter "bought" the illusion and pretty rhetoric that is Obama.

260 realwest  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:59:46am

re: #257 Intrepid
Why Intrepid, are you suggesting JohnDakota is a sleeper? A very patient sleeper? Or just a sockpuppet?

261 dentate  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:59:50am

Wonder what Rahm Emanuel, who volunteered with the IDF during the first Gulf war, thinks of this. Well, he is probably no different than the Israeli politicians who are willing to give away the country, though he has less at stake personally. Rahm, David Axelrod--remember how Jews helped blacks during the civil rights movement, and the thanks they got for that?

262 fish  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 9:59:54am
Robert Malley to both Cairo and Damascus these past few weeks

The election was only 6 days ago. How long has this guy been there?

263 realwest  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:01:05am

re: #262 fish I'd guess he's been there since the Obama camp said they are not associated with him.

264 Chasing Zero  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:05:06am

Someone earlier wondered who was paying for Malley's trip. My guess is that it was Malley's employer, International Crisis Group. Probably on a plane owned by Soros, since Soros sits on ICG's Board and its executive committee.

265 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:06:41am

Oh, he re-found the love, did he?

266 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #105 Buck

Lizards, ask where the money is coming from to 'send' someone on diplomatic missions.

Who pays for this? Flights, hotels, administration costs....

One guy shuttling around can cost thousands of dollars a day. Obama is not the president yet, I don't think he has a budget from treasury quite yet.

Follow the money.

I believe the heretofore unknown Office of the President-Elect has a leprechaun pot of gold in the lobby.

267 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:11:25am

re: #257 Intrepid


Oh I"m sorry.. am I not supposed to post until I hit 1000 posts?

wait.. how am I supposed to hit 1000 posts if I don't post?! The circularity of the cunundrum is making my head spin!

268 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:14:06am

What was it that Martin Luther King said about content of character?

Need I say more?

269 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:14:37am

re: #259 Wilderstad

Depends on how you look at it I suppose. Yes Obama collected lots of illegal and fraudulent votes and money and spent the money like water.
However, the voter "bought" the illusion and pretty rhetoric that is Obama.

I don't know about that. There was so much certainty and so many statements prior to the "election" naming Obama the president in waiting like the election migh as well not even take place that frankly, I don't believe the election results. I know that in my little town 3 out of 4 homes and most businesses had a McCain sign up the day of the election. And yet, the vote seems to have gone to Obama. . . . . . . . don't I recall something from a year or so ago about worries about the ability to rig the voting machines (company owned by an Obama supporter)?

270 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:15:53am

re: #267 JohnDakota

Oh I"m sorry.. am I not supposed to post until I hit 1000 posts?

wait.. how am I supposed to hit 1000 posts if I don't post?! The circularity of the cunundrum is making my head spin!

Virtually all new lizards manage to hit 37 posts during their first week or so. You're just getting there after 15 months. That makes you either a sleeper or a sock.

271 Mr. Sandman  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:20:59am

Well, o.k., I guess I've succumbed to the temptation to come back here to offer counter-opinions afterall (Go ahead and gloat about the prediction; I'll try to avoid putting even a little bit of heat in my tone, since otherwise the environs erupt and things turn into an inferno fast; let's let bygones be bygones).

About this story, as "Edgar" notes, there seems to be little in the way of a substantive confirmation that Malley was sent to convey messages on Obama's behalf. The Middle East Newsline which seems to be the original source of this story quotes unnamed "sources," and that always lowers the story's trustworthiness in my view. Now this Malley guy may indeed be running around Damascus and Cairo, as part of his "International Crisis Group" activities, but the question is whether he is doing so on behalf of Obama, or whether he and/or other "sources," or the news reporter himself, is embellishing this detail. For a rock solid account, this would need to be confirmed "from the other side," i.e. sources (preferably named) in Obama's transition team. If this story is indeed confirmed, or even worse, if Obama hires Malley onto his administration, I would be troubled, but as of now I lean toward the view that Obama did not lie about cutting off professional ties with Malley.

272 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:22:21am

re: #260 realwest

Why Intrepid, are you suggesting JohnDakota is a sleeper? A very patient sleeper? Or just a sockpuppet?

Not sure on that one, RW. It does seem he showed up today only to be a sh*t-stirrer. Which group is more made up of sh*t-stirrers - Sock Puppets or Sleepers? Or both?

And observe - he always shows up when Edgar is being challenged, and takes Edgar's side 100% (however in the wrong Edgar might be.)

Case in point: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

273 Intrepid  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:24:37am

re: #267 JohnDakota

Oh I"m sorry.. am I not supposed to post until I hit 1000 posts?

wait.. how am I supposed to hit 1000 posts if I don't post?! The circularity of the cunundrum is making my head spin!

Observe your own comments, JD:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Your posts have mainly consisted of support for poster Edgar, even when he was clearly in the wrong.

Come and post more, maybe in threads where Edgar isn't, make some good, thought-provoking and coherent posts sans anything about Edgar, and you'll gain cred.

274 joncelli  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:28:06am

re: #235 JohnDakota

Shug's been around a long time.

275 Wilderstad  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:29:22am

re: #269 galloping granny

Well, Granny I'm looking at the example of Peggy Green ( won't have to worry about gas in her car, etc. etc.) and this guy [Link: www.lookingattheleft.com...]
who did buy the "illusion" of Obama. For Pete's sake they were selling pseudo - Superman t-shirts with a hyper muscled Obama and him with a grand big 'O' on his chest! There are many more like them.

I agree with you in that this whole election could very well be invalid due to voter fraud, manipulation of Diebold machines, or damage to the integrity of other methods of voting.

276 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:30:32am

re: #238 JohnDakota

Side-stepping the point of my post. You said they would lie because of agenda. I was pointing out that it is highly unlikely that Israel and Egypt would share the same agenda. It isn't impossible, of course, for opponents to both tell the exact same lie to further opposite agendas, but typically, when opposite sides say the same thing, I tend to take that as evidence (not proof, but yes evidence) that there is some truth to the matter.

277 Ron Shaw  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:34:03am

No way? Way! Shocking!

Israel would be wise to heighten their internal security sensors against a different threat...my gut tells me Barack and his new, giddy-with-change America may indeed become the nouveau-sheik terrorists on the block as his America is suddenly pro-terrorist-thugcool.

I suspect BO would tell a lie even if the truth sounded better...and the MSM will lap it up like a July Popsicle in Central Park as they cover-up all BO booboos as fast as an errant zit before the cameras roll.

4 years of this newly-minted-Barack-likeness crapola coinage will be like dying a second at a time over the next 1460 days not to mention the more than 60 days of pre-game BO bunk-a-junk! If still among us, Flannery O'Connor would be ill-prepared literately to describe the impending agony.

278 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:34:37am

re: #276 Silhouette

I didn't side step anything. Only ONE (in numerical form that would be #1) souce actually cited the individual as an Obama aide. That source was the Damascus agency, which is state owned. So their adgenda would be not to portrey their government as a bunch of low level hacks that talk to nobodies. That would mean puffing up the credentials of who they meet with.

Just because Charles cites a number of articles doesn't mean they all contain the same information. Read them for yourself.

279 TaeJohnDo  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:35:24am

re: #270 galloping granny

Virtually all new lizards manage to hit 37 posts during their first week or so. You're just getting there after 15 months. That makes you either a sleeper or a sock.

I registered long before I posted, and with my first post, I was accused of being a sock puppet. I had to go look it up -- I read LGF on and off long before I registered and on and off after I registered -- but didn't read the dictionary before I posted. The first thing I did after that was change my public description to what it is now. Prior to that, it was empty.

I will probably go back and lurk at some point in time when I can't put the time into following LGF on a daily basis. Will I then be accused of being an OLD sock puppet? Maybe. I never saw a rule about number of posts made before you are not thought of as a troll, sock puppet or honored member. I have seen some thoughtful posts from new guys (mine come to mind ';0) and some real pure pap crap from people who have several thousand posts.

When I hit a hundred posts, I asked Charles to send my 100 post pin to my home address. Thanks Charles, for the site and the opportunity to mingle with the folks. I can't wait to get my pin.

280 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:37:39am

re: #273 Intrepid

Tell you the truth I don't want 'credit' from this echo chamber. The only reason why I've supported edgar in my posts because he seems to be the only one who dissents here and I beg you to show where edgar has been wrong. He's only wrong in your eyes because this population is so furious with liberals that you suffer from the very same Derangement Syndrome that Krauthammer coined of the Left.

281 WestSea  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:38:03am

And what will Obama do about the secret orders to take down Al Queda anywhere they are operating as was revealed the last couple of days? So much for "secret" orders.

282 Ezekiel2517  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:39:48am

Well come on, the statement from the campaign clearly stated that Malley would play no formal role. So as long as he doesn't wear a tie and keeps it casual..

/

283 LC LaWedgie  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:43:31am

re: #5 galloping granny
During his 90-minute address, which was simultaneously broadcast on the Internet, Farrakhan also talked extensively about the country's economic problems and his fear of the collapse of the U.S. financial system.

As exciting as Obama's win may be, Farrakhan cautioned that the crowd of about 2,500 people should not only be rejoicing. "There's nothing funny about what this young man has to face," Farrakhan said.

He urged the audience to protect Obama and to become personally responsible for helping the country improve.

"Don't do this young man harm," Farrakhan said. "This man not only needs our protection and divine protection, he needs all of us . . . to ask, 'What can I do to make him a successful president?' "

284 Sabnen  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:45:10am

re: #5 galloping granny

I remember reading something about 'abandoned' children as Obama was and how hard they work to please everyone so they won't ever be abandoned again.

It is a serious personality issue with him and shows up all over the place in his actions and words.

285 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:50:57am

re: #5 galloping granny

You didn't really think he fired him, did you? Or resigned from Trinity? Or has only seen William Ayers around the neighborhood?

Obama has demonstrated over and over that he is a chronic and habitual liar. He says whatever he thinks people want to hear at any given moment and 15 minutes later he will tell someone else the exact opposite. Likely he does not actually know what "truth" is.

"gg" -

KNOW - He Does. CARE - not so much.

-S-

286 Charles  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 10:51:13am

re: #280 JohnDakota

Are you the same person as 'Edgar'?

287 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:01:34am

re: #286 Charles

Nope.. feel free to check the IP history if you don't believe me. However I figure you've already done that.

Look.. everyone here is accusing Edgar and myself of being the same person simply because we hold similiar opinions. Using the same logic then 90% of the LGF posters here are 'sockpuppets.' That's how uniform the ideological distribution here is.

I have a short posting hstory because I generally don't post where I read. And The only reason I even started posting was because I found the treatment of Edgar by the general LGF community to be highly unfair. He's constatly told to go 'fuck off' or derivatives of that, he's also been called a sexist and a pedophile, even though the people responsible for those accusations deny it.

Ideologically similar people are not sock puppets. But please go ahead and ban me if the echo chamber requires it.

288 ashan  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:01:43am

Robert Malley is just the tip of the iceberg. Wait till The O sics Samantha Power and Tony McPeak and a host of other anti-Israel demons on Israel. First, of course, The O will get Israel all softened up with court Jews, like Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk and Rahm Emanuel.

I hope that even an ideological Zionist like Netanyahu can hang on to his hat and defend the nation as Israel gets bombarded with such unwelcome guests that make Clueless Condi and her horde of State Dept. sychophants look positively pro-Israel.

289 astronmr20  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:09:45am

He's making room under the bus for Israel.

290 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:16:05am

Why are people doubting this story?
Our own media reported it on Nov 7th.
[Link: www.thebulletin.us...]
In First Mideast Policy Initiative, Obama Sends Adviser To Egypt, Syria David Bedein, Middle East Correspondent can be reached at bedein@thebulletin.us.

291 Cato  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:18:12am

re: #252 3 wood

NOOOOOOOOOOO. They all live in Montclair, NJ where I live. That will just further depress real estate prices. I'd rather have Carlos Slim buy them and change it to a conservative paper. There is no one more conservative then a Lebanese Catholic (via Mexico). Force them to write as conservatives to keep their jobs. LOL.

292 conservativeChick  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:22:42am

I give him to July of 09 till he's impeached.

293 Athos  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:23:55am

re: #280 JohnDakota

Tell you the truth I don't want 'credit' from this echo chamber. The only reason why I've supported edgar in my posts because he seems to be the only one who dissents here and I beg you to show where edgar has been wrong. He's only wrong in your eyes because this population is so furious with liberals that you suffer from the very same Derangement Syndrome that Krauthammer coined of the Left.

I accused you of being a sock-puppet before the election - and you just conveniently fled the discussion as opposed to answering that claim or the fisking you received.

You claim that those on LGF suffer from an Obama Derangement Syndrome similar to that of the suffers of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Please cite the examples of people in LGF who have called for the frog marching of Obama, or the death of Obama, or any other of the excessive examples of hyperbole so common from the BDS sufferers since 2000. Try to present a cogent and valid argument that the concerns, conclusions, and opposition arguments presented in LGF in any way are similar to the knee-jerk vitriole from the Huffpost or Kossack pinheads. Furthermore, how about doing so without resorting to the same troll-by approach as Edgar or you have used in the past.

Perhaps you can explain why someone tossed under the bus by Obama, who was presented as a non-official member of the advisory staff to the President elect is now suddenly back in that standing and represented as an official member? Does this or does this not represent an example of lying or misrepresenting the facts?

Furthermore, is it your position that any dissent or questions being raised around differences of the President elect's actions, words, and associations are immaterial and nothing but non sensical rantings of deranged people? I for one will raise those questions as long as those who have failed the country in their fiduciary responsiblities like Emmanuel and Gorelick gain roles in the new administration or are considered roles in the new administration. This is hardly change that one can believe in.

294 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:24:10am

re: #292 conservativeChick

I give him to July of 09 till he's impeached.

By a congress that is majority Dem in both houses? Nah, he could strangle a toddler with his bare hands on national news.

295 Charles  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:24:24am

re: #287 JohnDakota

Ideologically similar people are not sock puppets. But please go ahead and ban me if the echo chamber requires it.

Only an idiot with serious reading comprehension problems could possibly read these recent threads and conclude that LGF is an "echo chamber."

I never ban anyone just because other people demand it. For now, I'll take your disavowal at face value, but I'm sure you know that there are reasons why I asked.

296 astronmr20  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:24:51am

Alright,

My Romanian Great-Great Grandmother was Jewish, so I believe I have the right to say this;

What the FUCK is wrong with liberal Jews? Do the have a death-wish?

297 ashan  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:26:28am

re: #261 dentate

Wonder what Rahm Emanuel, who volunteered with the IDF during the first Gulf war, thinks of this. Well, he is probably no different than the Israeli politicians who are willing to give away the country, though he has less at stake personally. Rahm, David Axelrod--remember how Jews helped blacks during the civil rights movement, and the thanks they got for that?


The error that Emanuel volunteered with the IDF is being perpetuated by the media. Emanuel did not volunteer with the IDF. He volunteered with Sar-El, an Israeli organization that is dedicated to non-military volunteer work on IDF bases. Volunteers, Jews and non-Jews alike, come from all around the world to paint fences, repair regular vehicles (not tanks) and help in the kitchen, to allow IDF soldiers to go about the business of defending the nation. Volunteers get to wear IDF fatigues, which they love.

I have a cousin now in her 60's from NJ who has been volunteering with Sar-El over many decades. She loves the soldiers and thoroughly enjoys the cleaning, painting and hash-slinging.

There are real volunteers who join the ranks of the IDF. The unit is called "Mahal". They train and fight alongside the other IDF soldiers. One such Mahal soldier from the US was killed in action during the 2006 War. Emanuel did not volunteer to Mahal.

298 Athos  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:26:46am

re: #287 JohnDakota

He's constatly told to go 'fuck off' or derivatives of that, he's also been called a sexist and a pedophile, even though the people responsible for those accusations deny it.

Recyling that same bullshite canard again?! How interesting despite your denials and the clear examples to the contrary including using Edgar's own words with one changed to highlight the hypocrisy - you make the exact same conclusion as Edgar when no one else, including those who do offer cogent and valid dissenting arguments to the 'popular' LGF positions, either make that conclusion or cowardly play the victim card when challenged.

299 Dustyvet  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:31:03am

re: #64 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Obama Spokesman Says 'Obama Ready to RULE on Day 1'

Ready to Rule? He better mean ready to lead this nation...he's not the King. At least not at this moment.

300 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:32:58am

re: #287 JohnDakota

If you go back and read the thread where those "accusations" as you call them, originated, it's clear that Edgar was caught in a defense of a theory of "racism is all right for some, but not for all."
He chose a weak tactic of crying foul as a distraction to change the subject.

301 HBob  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:39:28am

Oy vey!

302 Jack Reacher  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:40:15am

re: #264 Chasing Zero

Someone earlier wondered who was paying for Malley's trip. My guess is that it was Malley's employer, International Crisis Group. Probably on a plane owned by Soros, since Soros sits on ICG's Board and its executive committee.

Now that's interesting information--not surprising, just interesting. Still, how far does one get speaking to diplomats without at least some credence to your claim to speak in an official capacity? "I'm not on the web site or letterhead due to, ah political nuances, but why don't you call his transition coordinator at this number to check me out? I'll wait."

I just don't believe this guy is freelancing, with or without Soros' money. He's working for Obama, whether Obama realizes it yet or not.

303 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:41:43am

re: #299 Dustyvet

Ready to Rule? He better mean ready to lead this nation...he's not the King. At least not at this moment.

Executive orders, those interesting little things let the executive branch make laws like the legislative branch.

Obama has already promised many right off the bat.

For comparison:
Dubya: 262 in 7.8 years or 33/yr
Clinton: 364 in 8 years or 45/yr
HWBush: 166 in 4 years or 41/yr
Reagan: 381 in 8 years or 47/yr
Carter: 320 in 4 years or 80/yr

I think many of Reagan's were attempts at 'undos' on Carters. But year for year, Carter holds the record at executive legislation.

Can the big 0 break that?

304 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:41:56am

re: #295 Charles

Yes there are a number of reasons. I"ll even list them.

1. I harbor similar opinions as Edgar. Consequently this is why I support him for the most part.
2. I have posted in similar threads as Edgar. Oddly enough this reason is linked to reason #1. Funny how that works.
3. The accusations that I am Edgar's sockpuppet erupt every time I post because oddly enough, my posts harbor similar sentiment as Edgar. This again is also linked to reason #1. And again, funny enough how that works.

So really there's only one reason, but people like to make mounds out of mole hills.

305 FightingBack  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:41:59am

I just came from a high level meeting at a very large 501 c 3 (charity) institution that has a lot of income from government entitlement programs. The president did not seem crazy.
He opened by leading the room in a round of applause for the outcome of the election. Then he stated that the Federal government can now be counted on to "print money" to make up deficits, and that the large union that represents most employees on the staff is a union that backed the winner, and so they could be sure that federal money would flow to guarantee their jobs.
In other places, I have seen tension between this union and management, but here they have melded (remember that there is deficit spending covered by charitable giving.)

306 Charles  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:44:50am

re: #304 JohnDakota

Yes there are a number of reasons. I"ll even list them.

1. I harbor similar opinions as Edgar. Consequently this is why I support him for the most part.
2. I have posted in similar threads as Edgar. Oddly enough this reason is linked to reason #1. Funny how that works.
3. The accusations that I am Edgar's sockpuppet erupt every time I post because oddly enough, my posts harbor similar sentiment as Edgar. This again is also linked to reason #1. And again, funny enough how that works.

So really there's only one reason, but people like to make mounds out of mole hills.

Those aren't the only reasons, and you know it.

307 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:45:22am

re: #300 jaunte

I know which thread you're talking about because that's the thread I started posting here on.

I'm not exactly sure what comment you're alluding to about Edgar, if he said that then I most definitely disagree with it. However the accusations of sexism and pedophilia were not over stated, or imagined. They were real, even if they were in 'jest.' And I think we can all agree that you don't joke around by calling someone a pedophile. So it's not surprising why this keeps getting rehashed, particularly when the people who accused Edgar of pedophilia wont even admit to their ridiculous statement, even if in jest.

308 Charles  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:47:48am

re: #290 mean Gene

Why are people doubting this story?
Our own media reported it on Nov 7th.
[Link: www.thebulletin.us...]
In First Mideast Policy Initiative, Obama Sends Adviser To Egypt, Syria David Bedein, Middle East Correspondent can be reached at bedein@thebulletin.us.

It's not a bad thing to be skeptical about this story; the article by David Bedein you linked is actually drawn from the same source as the Arutz Sheva story, so it's not really an independent confirmation.

309 victor_yugo  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:48:17am

re: #296 astronmr20

What the FUCK is wrong with liberal Jews? Do the have a death-wish?

Yes.

310 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:48:28am

re: #284 Sabnen

I remember reading something about 'abandoned' children as Obama was and how hard they work to please everyone so they won't ever be abandoned again.

It is a serious personality issue with him and shows up all over the place in his actions and words.

This is a serious personality with anyone - and makes him particularly dangerous.

311 astronmr20  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:48:41am

re: #303 Silhouette

Executive orders, those interesting little things let the executive branch make laws like the legislative branch.

Obama has already promised many right off the bat.

For comparison:
Dubya: 262 in 7.8 years or 33/yr
Clinton: 364 in 8 years or 45/yr
HWBush: 166 in 4 years or 41/yr
Reagan: 381 in 8 years or 47/yr
Carter: 320 in 4 years or 80/yr

I think many of Reagan's were attempts at 'undos' on Carters. But year for year, Carter holds the record at executive legislation.

Can the big 0 break that?

Technically, though, an executive order can be challenged in the Supreme court, yes?

312 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:48:57am

re: #308 Charles

It's not a bad thing to be skeptical about this story; the article by David Bedein you linked is actually drawn from the same source as the Arutz Sheva story, so it's not really an independent confirmation.

This is the kind of thing I said from the beginning, and I was attacked for it.

313 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:50:23am

re: #306 Charles

I'm sorry. I"m not playing silly bunny with you. Those would be the only reasons I could think of. And like I said, they are all rooted to a single reason. But by all means englighten me with some theories.

314 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:50:29am

re: #307 JohnDakota

What do you think about Edgar's assertion that racism on the part of black voters was understandable?

315 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:51:53am

re: #303 Silhouette

Executive orders, those interesting little things let the executive branch make laws like the legislative branch.

Obama has already promised many right off the bat.

For comparison:
Dubya: 262 in 7.8 years or 33/yr
Clinton: 364 in 8 years or 45/yr
HWBush: 166 in 4 years or 41/yr
Reagan: 381 in 8 years or 47/yr
Carter: 320 in 4 years or 80/yr

I think many of Reagan's were attempts at 'undos' on Carters. But year for year, Carter holds the record at executive legislation.

Can the big 0 break that?

Well, it seems to be the plan that he intends to undo all 262 of Bush's, so that starts him out at 262 since each one will take a new EO to overturn. Shouldn't be hard to beat Carter.

316 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:52:19am

re: #314 jaunte

What do you think about Edgar's assertion that racism on the part of black voters was understandable?

I did not say "racism" was understandable. I said it was understandable that black voters would vote for a black candidate.

317 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:52:21am

re: #311 astronmr20

Technically, though, an executive order can be challenged in the Supreme court, yes?

I presume so. Gosh, I hope so.

Checks and balances and all that. But that would still make them exactly like laws from the legislative branch.

318 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:53:28am

re: #299 Dustyvet

Ready to Rule? He better mean ready to lead this nation...he's not the King. At least not at this moment.

Obama would do well to brush up on the last man that "ruled" America. He is commonly known as King George III.

319 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:53:37am

re: #316 Edgar

I did not say "racism" was understandable. I said it was understandable that black voters would vote for a black candidate.

So is it therefore axiomatic that white voters will prefer a white candidate?

320 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:53:42am

re: #316 Edgar

..and if that was the only reason they voted for a black candidate, then that would be racism. Still understandable?

321 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:55:43am

re: #314 jaunte

I'm not going to make statements about stuff that's already been discussed. Moreso without the actual quotes.

322 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:56:26am

re: #321 JohnDakota

I can understand why you don't want to address this issue.

323 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:56:54am

re: #315 galloping granny

Well, it seems to be the plan that he intends to undo all 262 of Bush's, so that starts him out at 262 since each one will take a new EO to overturn. Shouldn't be hard to beat Carter.

Can we assume that's what Obama's spokesperson meant by this?

...it’s important that president-elect Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule day one.”
324 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:57:48am

re: #319 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So is it therefore axiomatic that white voters will prefer a white candidate?

Many black voters (rightly or wrongly) feel that they are discriminated against by the establishment. So it follows that they'd elect someone that they believe will represent their interests.

If I were living in Zimbabwe and a white candidate promised to end discrimination, I'd probably vote for him/her. Doesn't have to do with race.

325 Athos  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:58:08am

re: #311 astronmr20

Technically, though, an executive order can be challenged in the Supreme court, yes?

Yes, but it would have to be shown as a violation of the powers of the Executive branch as defined under the Constitution. But also remember, the SCOTUS is also a branch of the government and it's rulings under the Constitution and separation of powers does not provide the judicial branch with an ultimate trump over either the Executive or Legislative branches.

Legislation comes from the Legislative branch. Policy is defined by the Executive branch and enacted by the Executive Branch. It can be shaped, influenced, controlled by the Legislative under enacting laws or funding / failing to fund policy initiatives. One can argue that an executive order can also be trumped by Congress enacting a law to reverse or counter an executive order and upholding that law by overriding the likely veto by the Chief Executive. But exec orders should be based on policy / direction and not attempt to legislate.

I would hope that the SCOTUS and Congress would look upon effort to legislate via executive order with strong contempt - just as the Exec and Congress should look upon efforts of the judiciary to legislate from the bench.

If a new administration wants to review previous exec orders and as a matter of policy retire those policy directions they don't agree with, that is their right as established by their election.

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 11:59:28am

re: #324 Edgar

Answer my question.

327 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:01:42pm

re: #314 jaunte


I think this whole issue has been caused by a fundamental misconception about english definitions.

Understandable is not a synonym for forgiveable or acceptable.

It simply means that someone could reasonably see why things may happen as they did.

I will even use these words in a sentence to give concept (man.. feels like first grade).

1. It is understandable as to why the disenfranchised black population of the USA would vote solely on Barack Obama's ethnicity. (This statement is OK)

2. It is acceptable that thedisenfranchised black population of the USA would vote solely on Barack Obama's ethnicity. (This statement is NOT OK, and reflects the serious socioeconomic issues confronting that particular population).


problem solved? Thanks for coming out.

328 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:02:10pm

re: #326 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Answer my question.

The answer is: no.

329 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:02:24pm

re: #324 Edgar

Many black voters (rightly or wrongly) feel that they are discriminated against by the establishment. So it follows that they'd elect someone that they believe will represent their interests.

If I were living in Zimbabwe and a white candidate promised to end discrimination, I'd probably vote for him/her. Doesn't have to do with race.

What if the guy running for Pres of Zimbabwe were Asian and he made the same promise? You, being of the white oppressed minority, would you trust/ vote for him? What if he was Indian? What if he were a black Zimbabwean and made the same pledge?

330 freeus  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:02:48pm

I do not doubt the story. Look at who the DNC had speaking at the religious diversity deal at the DNC Convention. Ingrid Mattson, President of INSNA which just so happens to be and unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terrorist funding case. Ingrid is also a big fan of the Muslim Brotherhood. We all could post about 50 links, and more to prove there is a strong link that runs from Hamas, Hezbollah and other anti-Israel groups to Obama.

Ayers, Farrakhan, Pflegger, and many others that have crossed Obama's path in life are very supportive of these types of organizations that not only hate America, but Israel as well. If Jamie Gorelick is appointed the AG then we are surely screwed, and on so many levels.

I do not know which way to run, what to do, what to buy now, or what to do with our kids. I am more frightened now than I ever was after 9-11. It is like we are all holding our breath, and waiting for the impending doom. I feel like we are trapped in some horror flick. Even worse, I feel like we might be trapped in those news reels from WWII where you would see people struggling to survive. I have this awful feeling it is going to be so much worse than the days of Carter.

331 conservativeChick  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:02:56pm

re: #294 Silhouette

Everyone would be pissed at him and congress. I can't wait to see how the Dem's are going to self-destruct them selves till 2010 were Reps will hopefully win back Congress.

332 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:03:47pm

re: #331 conservativeChick

Everyone would be pissed at him and congress. I can't wait to see how the Dem's are going to self-destruct them selves till 2010 were Reps will hopefully win back Congress.

simple. They'll over-reach

333 FredWM  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:04:52pm

The entire Obama campaign was based on maintaining maximum deniability at all times. Even if the adviser had gone to the Middle East, I'd expect the denial to continue. After all, what advantage is there in telling the truth? If something good turns up he can always claim it was the fortuitous discovery of a private citizen and it would be a shame to disavow it simply because it was discovered by an unofficial source. The basic problem is, "what's Obama's definition of something good."

334 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:05:03pm

re: #327 JohnDakota

(This statement is NOT OK, and reflects the serious socioeconomic issues confronting that particular population)

I find it extremely interesting that you threw in the gratuitous excuse which I've highlighted. Might I ask if it was a knee-jerk?

/No, don't bother.

335 Buck  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:05:29pm

re: #239 3 wood

Ask and ye shall receive:

NYT stock at 52 week low.

It's down to $8.86 a share.

Almost ever stock is at or very close to it's 52 week low. AND the 52 week low probably happened within the last 60 days. The market is at, or very close to it's 52 week low.

336 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:05:39pm

re: #327 JohnDakota

You can keep the condescension.
The important issue here is whether the Obama presidency is just going to extend a race-based spoils system, or begin to transcend racial politics. Part of the discussion is to examine just why people voted for Obama.

337 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:05:53pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

What if the guy running for Pres of Zimbabwe were Asian and he made the same promise? You, being of the white oppressed minority, would you trust/ vote for him? What if he was Indian? What if he were a black Zimbabwean and made the same pledge?

I would probably trust a white politician more if he was in the same boat as I was, I suppose (i.e. subject to discrimination himself).

338 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:06:53pm

re: #328 Edgar

The answer is: no.

So black voters automatically vote for their own ethnic group, but white voters do not do so? Is that your belief. Is that it?

339 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:07:02pm

re: #316 Edgar

I did not say "racism" was understandable. I said it was understandable that black voters would vote for a black candidate.

You're right. It is very understandable that Blacks would vote for Obama. It is not necessarily racism, it can be just as easily identified as group identification and pride. It occurred with Catholics and Kennedy.

What is not understandable is the main vote against group identity. If Americans are moderate to Conservative what did it take for so many mainstream people to vote for the radical Left candidate?

340 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:07:15pm

Jaunte,

A question for you: since something like 97% of black people voted for Obama, does that mean they are racist?

341 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:07:55pm

re: #327 JohnDakota

I think this whole issue has been caused by a fundamental misconception about english definitions.

Understandable is not a synonym for forgiveable or acceptable.

It simply means that someone could reasonably see why things may happen as they did.

I will even use these words in a sentence to give concept (man.. feels like first grade).

1. It is understandable as to why the disenfranchised black population of the USA would vote solely on Barack Obama's ethnicity. (This statement is OK)

2. It is acceptable that thedisenfranchised black population of the USA would vote solely on Barack Obama's ethnicity. (This statement is NOT OK, and reflects the serious socioeconomic issues confronting that particular population).


problem solved? Thanks for coming out.

If you were an African American you would think it both understandable and acceptable, regardless of your gratuitoius reflects the serious socioeconomic issues confronting that particular population and your insulting man.. feels like first grade

342 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:08:05pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So black voters automatically vote for their own ethnic group, but white voters do not do so? Is that your belief. Is that it?

No, they are not robots that automatically do anything. In many societies around the world minority groups vote for minority candidates.

343 WestSea  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:08:47pm

re: #330 freeus

Have faith in the American people freeus. Look how Obama apologized for his dumb-ass Nancy Reagan joke. He did that, because of the affection Americans have for Reagan. Have faith, and vote in 2010 to change things back if need be.

344 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:09:12pm

re: #340 Edgar

I can't tell you; I can't read their minds.

345 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:09:18pm

re: #324 Edgar

So it follows that they'd elect someone that they believe will represent their interests.

Rewording, they believe that someone's likelihood of protecting their interests is somehow tied to that someone's skin color, that a person who is black is going to make decisions as they themselves would like.

Believing that how someone thinks is determined by their race is racist.

346 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:09:27pm

re: #337 Edgar

I would probably trust a white politician more if he was in the same boat as I was, I suppose (i.e. subject to discrimination himself).

Why would you trust one more than another? Does the word start with an "R"?

347 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:09:50pm

re: #339 Opinionated

You're right. It is very understandable that Blacks would vote for Obama. It is not necessarily racism, it can be just as easily identified as group identification and pride. It occurred with Catholics and Kennedy.

What is not understandable is the main vote against group identity. If Americans are moderate to Conservative what did it take for so many mainstream people to vote for the radical Left candidate?

My opinion: a bad economy, and a pretty unpopular president.

348 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:10:19pm

re: #346 sattv4u2

Why would you trust one more than another? Does the word start with an "R"?

Read what I wrote again.

349 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:11:52pm

re: #342 Edgar

No, they are not robots that automatically do anything. In many societies around the world minority groups vote for minority candidates.

Oh boy. Yes, we are in first grade.

Apart from your injection of rhetoric ("robots"), I suggest that you examine your two sentences. The second does not necessarily follow from the first.

350 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:12:30pm

re: #348 Edgar

Read what I wrote again.

I did. Do you think the Asian or Indian would be in the same "boat" as you would be in Zimbabwe? Funny how you picked I would probably trust a white politician more instead of, or inclusive of the others

351 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:12:32pm

re: #332 sattv4u2

simple. They'll over-reach

....and don't forget infighting. The dems are a loose coalition of special interests. Just wait until the CBC fails to get everything they want from Barack.....or DOES get everything they want. Either way, it will be interesting....in a sort of 'watching-a-train-wreck' way.

352 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:12:50pm

re: #334 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No.. it wasn't a knee jerk. This whole problem, in that Edgar has been villanized, was because he used the term 'understandable.' It fully revolves around the misconception that 'understandable' is a sort of forgiveness when it's nothing of the sort.

The 'knee jerk' that you bolded was not that at all. But rather an attempt to explain the root of how bad situations have become that people even forget common definitions of words when discussing testy subjects.

I admit the loation of the comment was misplaced. It should have been on it's own as to specificaly try to reason why the misconception between 'understandable' and 'acceptable' exists. It's kinda like the same misconception between the words 'argument' and 'fight.'

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:14:55pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

I did. Do you think the Asian or Indian would be in the same "boat" as you would be in Zimbabwe? Funny how you picked I would probably trust a white politician more instead of, or inclusive of the others

Even funnier that he picked "Zimbabwe" and "white politician" to begin with. I didn't wanna chase that rabbit, but DAMN! *grin*

354 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:16:07pm

re: #347 Edgar

My opinion: a bad economy, and a pretty unpopular president.

Those are the obvious.

If Clinton was elected, or another Democrat, that would be expected. But for Americans to throw out rationality, elect a radical Leftist who vowed to change what had made America a success, took much more. Historians will debate it for some time. As will psychologists.

355 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:16:42pm

re: #339 Opinionated

You're right. It is very understandable that Blacks would vote for Obama. It is not necessarily racism, it can be just as easily identified as group identification and pride. It occurred with Catholics and Kennedy.

What is not understandable is the main vote against group identity. If Americans are moderate to Conservative what did it take for so many mainstream people to vote for the radical Left candidate?


That is eerily close to white-supremacist rhetoric in reverse. White pride, vote white,.....

356 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:17:43pm

re: #336 jaunte

I'm sorry if you interpreted that as condescending. I can see how you'd see it that way, but it's fairly frustrating to have a discussion with people when simple definitions are not understood. Particularly over the internet where text has no accent.

And yes I agree. We'll have to see if the Obama presidency is going to be as bad as everyone here thinks. To put it into perspective the level of Bush Derangement Syndrome that took a solid year or two to achieve has been mounted against Obama already and he hasn't even taken office.

and no, before anyone accuses me of being an Obama supporter, I would like to just say I am not. His CV is far too small, and his decisions have been suspect. I just don't hold the same sort of doomsday opinion that this community has.

357 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:18:45pm

re: #338 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So black voters automatically vote for their own ethnic group, but white voters do not do so? Is that your belief. Is that it?

Why pre-Boomer, it would be downright racist of white folks to vote for somebody just because they were members of the same ethnic group! That wouldn't be fair at all!

358 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:19:13pm

re: #356 JohnDakota

"problem solved? Thanks for coming out."

359 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:19:33pm

re: #346 sattv4u2

Was the "R" word you were referring to "RESUME." Because that's the word that I thought of.

360 galloping granny  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:19:49pm

re: #355 eschew_obfuscation

That is eerily close to white-supremacist rhetoric in reverse. White pride, vote white,.....

It is only racism and wrong when it is white pride and white supremacy. You should know that by now!

361 Athos  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:21:16pm

re: #347 Edgar

My opinion: a bad economy, and a pretty unpopular president.

So, a predominately moderate to conservative electorate votes radical left because of a bad economy and an unpopular president as opposed to voting for a a moderate to conservative candidate for President?

Somehow, when one talks about ideology, economy and popularity doesn't seem to fit. Now, if one mentions voting for entitlements as opposed to not in the sense of a political and economic argument, perhaps one would be closer to the mark.

But even that does not address the discussion which commenced on race and is now seeing the goalposts being moved.

362 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:21:31pm

re: #358 jaunte

Any time =P

363 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:21:37pm

0bama's camp is so savvy that IF this were NOT a true story they'd have someone all over it by now.
It's been out since early Nov.
Their silence is confirmation.

364 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:22:20pm

re: #355 eschew_obfuscation

That is eerily close to white-supremacist rhetoric in reverse. White pride, vote white,.....

Did you cheer your school football team? Prefer them to the rivals?

We all prefer our group.

That's not Racism. Jews were proud when Lieberman was the VP candidate and Catholics still honor even Al Smith.

Racists hate the others for no reason. Pride in the achievements of your own is natural.

365 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:22:26pm

"The soft bigotry of low expectations" is always understanding.

366 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:22:46pm

re: #360 galloping granny

It is only racism and wrong when it is white pride and white supremacy. You should know that by now!

hee, hee.....yeah, I guess I should ;-)

367 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:22:53pm

re: #359 JohnDakota

Was the "R" word you were referring to "RESUME." Because that's the word that I thought of.

yeah ,,, right ,,thats the word!

Funny how you commented on this (which wasn't directed to you) but skipped over my #341 (which was directed to you)

368 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:23:12pm

re: #352 JohnDakota

This whole problem, in that Edgar has been villanized, was because he used the term 'understandable.' It fully revolves around the misconception that 'understandable' is a sort of forgiveness when it's nothing of the sort.

Webster' New World Dictionary, 1976: "understand"

vt, definition 8: "to have a sympathetic rapport with"

vi, definition 1: "to have understanding, comprehension, sympathetic awareness, etc."

369 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:25:03pm

re: #368 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This whole problem, in that Edgar has been villanized, was because he used the term 'understandable.' It fully revolves around the misconception that 'understandable' is a sort of forgiveness when it's nothing of the sort.

Webster' New World Dictionary, 1976: "understand"

vt, definition 8: "to have a sympathetic rapport with"

vi, definition 1: "to have understanding, comprehension, sympathetic awareness, etc."

PIMF, forgot to quote

370 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:25:43pm

re: #367 sattv4u2

yeah ,,, right ,,thats the word!

Funny how you commented on this (which wasn't directed to you) but skipped over my #341 (which was directed to you)

Funny how everyone seems to be writing sentences beginning with "funny how..."

371 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:26:58pm

To say that something is "understandable" can (... can ...) imply sympathy.

372 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:28:28pm

re: #364 Opinionated

Did you cheer your school football team? Prefer them to the rivals?

We all prefer our group.

That's not Racism. Jews were proud when Lieberman was the VP candidate and Catholics still honor even Al Smith.

Racists hate the others for no reason. Pride in the achievements of your own is natural.

I cheered my football team, because I wanted them to play football well and they were representing me......not because they wore blue and gold.

If you want to make the argument that blacks voted for Obama because they, somehow in numbers hugely disproportionate to differences on issues within their group, agreed with his positions on issues, that would be one bad argument. But just because he's black.....that's racism in my book.

373 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:28:53pm

re: #369 pre-Boomer Marine brat

PIMF, forgot to quote

My turn for a "funny how"

Funny how pre-Boomer didn't look up the word "understandable" itself. Hmm, moving the goalposts a bit yourself, now?

intransitive verb
1: to have understanding : have the power of comprehension2: to achieve a grasp of the nature, significance, or explanation of something3: to believe or infer something to be the case4: to show a sympathetic or tolerant attitude toward something

374 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:29:05pm

re: #370 Edgar

Funny how everyone seems to be writing sentences beginning with "funny how..."

Funny how JohnDakota's one of those.

375 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:30:27pm

re: #370 Edgar

Funny how everyone seems to be writing sentences beginning with "funny how..."

Funny how you still avoided the issue

(FYI,,,,,,, in MY lexicon, the word "FUNNY" can have multiple meanings. In this case, it means SAD, IRONIC, STRANGE, TELLING). From my sentence above, replace the word FUNNY with any of those alternate definitions and they all work fine!)

Funny how that works!

376 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:31:45pm

re: #375 sattv4u2

Funny how you still avoided the issue

(FYI,,,,,,, in MY lexicon, the word "FUNNY" can have multiple meanings. In this case, it means SAD, IRONIC, STRANGE, TELLING). From my sentence above, replace the word FUNNY with any of those alternate definitions and they all work fine!)

Funny how that works!

Satt, stop being an idiot.

What "issue" are you referring to?

377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:32:02pm

re: #373 Edgar

My turn for a "funny how"

Funny how pre-Boomer didn't look up the word "understandable" itself. Hmm, moving the goalposts a bit yourself, now?

I did. Understandable is an adjective. It has no separate listing in the dictionary I'm using. Deal with the issue, lightweight.

378 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:32:04pm

Maybe McCain lost just because only the other side had any pride.

Did anyone here go to vote proud?

I remember when I voted in 2004 that I was proud to be a Republican. Proud that the man I was voting for had- I thought (changed my mind since)- acted well in response to the attacks on us.

Did anyone here do to the polls this year feeling proud?

I was a Giuliani supporter- although I am not a Catholic. Maybe Giuliani would have been a better candidate in that Catholics at least would have gone to the polls with some pride voting for one of their own.

379 jaunte  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:33:40pm

re: #378 Opinionated

Wasn't the spending something like 6 or 7 to 1?
It is possible to advertise yourself into a 4% lead.

380 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:34:09pm

re: #372 eschew_obfuscation

and they were representing me......

Blacks always vote Democrat. If they voted more fervently this year it was for the same reason you just stated- they felt Obama- he was representing them.

381 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:34:16pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I did. Understandable is an adjective. It has no separate listing in the dictionary I'm using. Deal with the issue, lightweight.

Again, what is the "issue"?

382 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:34:54pm

re: #376 Edgar

Satt, stop being an idiot.

Exactly how is he "being an idiot"?
Exactly how is the aspersion relevant in a discussion?
You just shot yourself in the foot.

383 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:35:33pm

re: #376 Edgar

Satt, stop being an idiot.

What "issue" are you referring to?

Having trouble following? And I'M the "idiot!?!?!?!

heheheh,,, #377 Boomer nailed it. You're a lightweight. Admit it. You're in over your head.

NEXT

384 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:36:18pm

re: #379 jaunte

Wasn't the spending something like 6 or 7 to 1?
It is possible to advertise yourself into a 4% lead.

Still. People went to the polls knowing what they were voting for, it's not like the spending brought ignorance.

385 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:37:52pm

re: #381 Edgar

Again, what is the "issue"?

Refer to my prior

re: #371 pre-Boomer Marine brat

To say that something is "understandable" can (... can ...) imply sympathy.

Both you and JohnDakota seem to be implying sympathy.

Perhaps you'd like to back up and choose a different word than "understandable"?

386 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:37:55pm

re: #384 Opinionated

Still. People went to the polls knowing what they were voting for, it's not like the spending brought ignorance.

you may want to re-think that

387 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:39:18pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

Having trouble following? And I'M the "idiot!?!?!?!

heheheh,,, #377 Boomer nailed it. You're a lightweight. Admit it. You're in over your head.

NEXT

I've got things to do. These two don't know when they're in over their heads. I'm about to pull the plug and tootle off.

388 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:39:46pm

re: #386 sattv4u2

you may want to re-think that

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Those voters didn't elect Obama.

The swing voters- and even some usually thoughtful Republcians who switched sides- and did it after some thought- voted in Obama.

389 J.S.  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:41:27pm

re: #355 eschew_obfuscation

I've found it increasingly amusing to listen to BBC World. Not only do they constantly make references to Obama's skin color ("America's Black President"), the reporters -- it's actually both laughable and deeply embarrassing listening to them -- the BBC reporters will report (in that hideous accent of theirs) things such as..."Today, Barack Obama, President elect, convened his first press conference...and upon his entry, all the reporters rose, standing on their feet, to demonstrate their respect" (with the tone that this was somehow -- "WOW, look it that! They're actually standing in the presence of a Black Man!? Will wonders never cease? ?" forgetting it's standard protocol...Next, today, Obama boards a plane -- the BBC reporter notes (again with that air of stunned astonishment),"Obama is NOT given a security check -- he stimply steps aboard the plane -- unlike the shenanigans we must face when boarding a plane for Washington, D.C. " not a verbatim quote, but the reporter did use the word "shenanigans" to refer to security checks "reporters" are given prior to boarding a plane...And this goes on and on...Will (can?) the BBC ever be able to see past Obama's skin color? (I tend to doubt it).

390 Edgar  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:41:52pm

re: #385 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Perhaps you'd like to back up and choose a different word than "understandable"?

No.

391 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:42:33pm

re: #390 Edgar

No.

Very well.

392 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:44:05pm

re: #388 Opinionated

Those voters didn't elect Obama.

The swing voters- and even some usually thoughtful Republcians who switched sides- and did it after some thought- voted in Obama.

I disagree. I live in upper middle class, rural Georgia. When my wife went to early vote, she couldn't beleive the numbers of people that were (in your words) BROUGHT to the polls due to Obamas ads. They didn't have a clue as to his past, his policies, his associations

393 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:45:59pm

re: #391 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I gotta scoot too! Kids home and he needs the puter for school work!

Thanks,, and Cya

394 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:46:23pm

IMHO, even when his argument's been disproven, Edgar's ego can't tolerate a change of course. Expect resort to aspersions in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

I'm out of here.

395 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:46:48pm

re: #393 sattv4u2

I gotta scoot too! Kids home and he needs the puter for school work!

Thanks,, and Cya

Bye!

396 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 12:48:29pm

re: #392 sattv4u2

I disagree. I live in upper middle class, rural Georgia. When my wife went to early vote, she couldn't beleive the numbers of people that were (in your words) BROUGHT to the polls due to Obamas ads. They didn't have a clue as to his past, his policies, his associations

The ignorant are allowed to vote.

Did they watch the debates at least?

Money helps in organizing and certainly ads helped Obama. But in this day and age if you are ignorant it is your fault. And money was not the defining reason for Obama's win.

397 Amy  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 1:27:18pm

re: #364 Opinionated

Did you cheer your school football team? Prefer them to the rivals?

We all prefer our group.

That's not Racism. Jews were proud when Lieberman was the VP candidate and Catholics still honor even Al Smith.

Racists hate the others for no reason. Pride in the achievements of your own is natural.

The Jews are about the only group which doesn't vote for one of its own when that person is perceived as not being liberal enough for them. If Eric Cantor had been McCain's VP choice, the Jews still wouldn't have voted for McCain. We Jews seem to enjoy playing the "more self-righteously liberal than thou (even when it's clearly not in our interests) game."

398 winston06  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 1:31:55pm

No worries. We'll hear more lies for the next 4 yrs. We now have a liar in chief

399 rick554  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 1:32:02pm

GASP! barry lied? Say it aint so Barry

400 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 2:53:34pm

re: #341 sattv4u2

Since you cried that I didn't respond to this STATEMENT I'll reply now.

You made a statement, not a question, and quoted something I said that tangentially applied to your stated assumption. Your statement generalized all black people as to what they would feel is acceptable and understandable. That in itself is racism (or bigotry.. pick your adjective). I will not play these sorts of games, but by all means go ahead and play with yourself.

401 JohnDakota  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 2:59:48pm

re: #270 galloping granny

Sorry.. missed this one =P

Or how about someone who generally doesn't post. See lots of people have things called 'Lives.' Just so happens that I've read LGF for a while, not because I agree with everything but because sometimes it has some interesting information.

I registered because I felt I may be inclined to post eventually, and the registration periods are infrequent, and only open for short periods of time. So I took advantage on one of the rare times I was on while a registration period was open.

Unlike your 'most lizards' I was not having a seizure at the idea that I couldn't post on LGF. So I didn't feel the need to post 37 times a day/week/hour etc..

Like I explained to Charles, I rarely post on sites I read. And the only reason I even started to post here was because I found the treatment of Edgar to be totally ridiculous. Maybe it's just me, but when I see someone called a pedophile, even in jest, when there's no evidence at all, I kinda draw a line.

Justification enough for you? And again, Charles seems happy enough with my explanation, and he's privy to a lot more information than the standard LGF poster (ie. IP address histories). So by all means continue to call me a sock puppet.. It just shows how intellectually insecure you are with your arguments.

402 freeus  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 3:46:58pm

re: #343 WestSea

I will. I am not sure I am at the state of I do. How many levels are there to election grief? I am ready for a fight. I want to fight. You are very right about having faith, and I did not think about the angle of why he had to apologize. Thank you for the words of wisdom on that.

I think what I have now is tremendous fear. There is an awful lot of stupid out there and very uneducated voters. I pray to God you are right in asserting there is good reason to have faith in the American electorate. We are unique, and have a tendency to fight like mad when our backs are against the wall. I will work on the faith! Insert smiley face here.

403 funky chicken  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 4:01:09pm

re: #119 rawmuse

That is possibly the most disturbing news I have heard of late.
Expect the WOT to be converted to the WOR (War on Republicans).
Gorelick is a walking, breathing, ongoing, slow motion disaster.

Hey, at least it's a slow motion disaster!

404 biff  Mon, Nov 10, 2008 8:47:32pm

re: #403 funky chicken

What did Gorelick do to get and stay on this career track? Maybe her manipulation of the 9/11 Commission (Unanimous, No dissenting opinion, allowing her and the Clintons to get away clean), won her some fans.


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