It just keeps getting better by the minute.

"The Devil Went Down To Dover"

This topic ought to bring some people out of the woodwork, eh?

Is Chairman Obama a creationist too?

I miss the good old days when we said "one nation under G-d" every morning but we only read the Bible on Sunday.

OT:

I've noted a lot of press about how "Obama ran a tight disciplined campaign", "ran a fantastic campaign", "kept campaign on message" etc. etc.etc. as why he won.

Being FLUSHED DOWN MEMORY LANE right before our eyes by the msm is the fact that he ran the dirtiest campain in U.S. history, with massive credit card fraud, massive voter registration fraud, and God knows what else.

This should not be permitted to happen.

Stop the leftist rewriting of the narrative by keeping this issue on the front burner until it is burned so thoroughly into the search engines and archive.org that it will notbe forgotten by 2010 or 2012....

re: #4 winston06

Is Chairman Obama a creationist too?

________________________________
He thinks he is THE creator. He creates change.

To a light particle, the Universe is infinitely small and always brand new.

Enjoy your Universe!

re: #4 winston06

Is Chairman Obama a creationist too?

yes, a communist utopia will be his creation.

re: #4 winston06

That's an interesting question.

From the audio: The Thomas More Law Center defended (legally) the school board that was pushing for intelligent design for free. Just another name to remember.
[Link: www.thomasmore.org...]

For those wondering where I got "creationism" as a force that brought down the Republican Party in California, here is an article form the NYT in 1993 on one such battle that happened locally.

This happened at the time when socons started a campaign to purge the party in California of "liberals" amd "country club" Republicans, and when they ran socon candidates for a variety of positions, making sure the candidates ran as moderate republicans.

Look at California now - no one has benefited from the "purification" of the party that occurred back then. Republicans suffered in numbers and the state is suffering under a Democratic monopoly in the legislature.

And while Vista is/was a fairly conservative place, the creationists that got on that board did not represent the typical household in the area.

If the Republicans have a purity purge, they can see their future in California.

re: #12 karmic_inquisitor

I am glad I belong to my own party, the Primitive Stinker Party.

Gotta' wrap up some admin work and then I be gone. Talk with all of you later.

The school board members -- sheesh! I helped form a large fire district and sat on the board for nearly a decade. Do school board members like those described in the audio know what "fiduciary" means? ... Idiots!

These people ran (or might STILL run) a SCHOOL district?! ... Idiots!

0bama said he accepts the veracity of evolution, but this isn't as pro-science as it seems considering he wants to gut NASA.

Foreign troops could deploy in West Bank after peace deal

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Sure. Why not. It's working so well in Lebanon after all?

re: #16 Sharmuta

0bama said he accepts the veracity of evolution, but this isn't as pro-science as it seems considering he wants to gut NASA.

That's odd. I thought he would have appreciated NASA searching for the limits of his ego.

My paternal grandmother was worse than Ms. Lebo's father.

*biting my tongue*

As a designer of buildings and things, I find it ironic that "intelligent design" is taken to preclude evolution, because when I design things, they always undergo some evolution, and if they don't, their design usually seems stupid instead of intelligent.

My 2 cents.

re: #20 eddiespaghetti

Watch out, Eddie.

breathtaking inanity

Nominate for rotating title at daily kos

re: #18 bosforus

LMAO!

re: #16 Sharmuta

0bama said he accepts the veracity of evolution, but this isn't as pro-science as it seems considering he wants to gut NASA.

Well why should we go into space when our good friends in China are. After all it's probably our stolen technology. Or what Clinton gave them?

re: #20 eddiespaghetti

Is it just me, or is this subject boring and done...

Great, another one of those guys.

re: #18 bosforus

That's odd. I thought he would have appreciated NASA searching for the limits of his ego.

It will take a very VERY long time to develop space warp (not to mention a mathematical "star map" of the galaxy.)

/we'd need it

My theory of evolution:

As the length of an LGF thread increases, the probability of it evolving into a gun discussion approaches 1.

re: #8 Ojoe

To a light particle, the Universe is infinitely small and always brand new.
Enjoy your Universe!

No more San Gabriel Mtn. pics?

Say it ain't so, Joe....

Eddie ?

Another ID thread destined for over 1000 comments.

Wow. One came in early this evening.

And keep shedding the light Charles. Very important and very interesting.

re: #26 logboy

Seriously, fill me in. I'm trying to be edju-ma-kated.

There is a guy on ESPN with a neck bigger than my waist?

re: #30 Ojoe

Eddie ?

I see a smudge on the floor.

re: #24 Sharmuta

LMAO!

Better pull a George Costanza and quit while I'm ahead. Goin' home.
G'night everybody!

re: #29 ryannon

OK - Here's the Towercam

The Towercam. Excellent clouds on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Pacific time zone.

BBL

re: #30 Ojoe

Eddie ?

Eddies in the space-time continuum.

re: #16 Sharmuta

0bama said he accepts the veracity of evolution, but this isn't as pro-science as it seems considering he wants to gut NASA.

Liberals do hate our space program, don't they. The space program isn't perfect so it must be destroyed. of course we already know progressive leftists want to dismantle our military. They want the money. They think the money would be better spent out their Utopian nanny state.

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

I have a new theory about the brontosaurus. It is mine, and it belongs to me.

Well, I've got one about the apatosaurus, and it's almost identical.

I seriously want to know the controversy. I am on your side (i believe), yet I am already castigated from the group.

re: #34 eddiespaghetti

Seriously, fill me in. I'm trying to be edju-ma-kated.

The problem isn't religion, or this or that tenet thereof. The problem is that a certain group (Discovery Institute) is on record (the Wedge Document) as wanting to establish a fundamentalist Christian hegemony in America, and (on record, again) is using the push to get I.D. taught as a science in science classes ... in order to further that overall agenda.

This is not conjecture. I don't have links right at hand, but other lizards can give them to you.

Things looked awfully different a few million years ago.

Is Chairman Obama a creationist too?

I have a plan that brings change and will assist all. No more dark days without hope, but now that we have the change you can believe in I think we will all agree that the sun shines just a little brighter.

Does that answer your question?

re: #41 FrogMarch

Liberals do hate our space program, don't they. The space program isn't perfect so it must be destroyed. of course we already know progressive leftists want to dismantle our military. They want the money. They think the money would be better spent out their Utopian nanny state.

You'd think that liberals might, just might, have a soft spot for the space program since that was JFK's baby?

re: #43 eddiespaghetti

There are tags linked at the bottom of the post. If you want to learn about this subject, I would click around and be prepared to read a lot.

These are the New Dark Ages.

Geez, it was forty years ago, using nothing but zinc-plated heating tubes, that we had men walking on the moon. Now, in the Obamanation, we'll hide in our huts and shiver when we hear the thunder come.

re: #43 eddiespaghetti

I seriously want to know the controversy. I am on your side (i believe), yet I am already castigated from the group.

Eddie, here are some beginning links:
The Wedge Document
The Wedge Strategy

re: #47 Nevergiveup

You'd think that liberals might, just might, have a soft spot for the space program since that was JFK's baby?

The libs only like JKF because he was cute. If the proggies found out JFK was a huge anti-communist - it would shatter their carefully constructed paradigm of him.
Plus space money can be used for other things - like free government run health care - the Entitlement the proggies want most.

Welcome to generation E.

(the entitlement generation)

re: #43 eddiespaghetti

Charles is annoyed if you tell him not to post on this subject. You still are in the group. Plus, it was funny to see your comment disappear, thank you for the levity, always appreciated. LGF is among other things, a humor site IMHO.

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Wow.

re: #45 Racer X

Things looked awfully different a few million years ago.

Not only are the seas going to recede and the planet begin to heal, I hear we're going to start a new geological epoch with the age of 0bama.

No more Holocene, folks!

We're in the 0bamaniferous epoch now, baby!

which resulted in the utter defeat and humiliation of the intelligent design camp, with a decision by the judge (a life-long Republican appointed by George W. Bush) that excoriated the Board and their attorneys for the “breathtaking inanity” of their attempts to lie about their religious agenda.

interesting. and good!

re: #56 Dar ul Harb

We're in the 0bamaniferous epoch now, baby!

LOL!

re: #43 eddiespaghetti

I seriously want to know the controversy. I am on your side (i believe), yet I am already castigated from the group.

For context, I am something of a "extremely-long-term creationist", in that I believe God triggered the creation -- call it a Big Bang, who th' heck knows. I believe evolution is one of God's tools. I believe that I.D. has absolutely NO place in the science classroom. I believe that pushing Christian doctrine into the classroom is equivalent, in its own way, to imposition of Islamist Sharia. I fight BOTH.

re: #51 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you for the correction, guess I'm not as smart as you...

Another one?! That's what I get for typing a long comment. Missed the excitement.

Hey, did Charles get the deleted comments info bar sorted out?

re: #62 CyanSnowHawk

Hey, did Charles get the deleted comments info bar sorted out?

Huh? Sounds kind of like a salad bar. I'm still hongggry.

OK, who needs a beer?

re: #64 buzzsawmonkey

Seriously, your picking the fight here, happy monday.

For perhaps the 2,175th time, I'm going to delete comments telling me not to post about this subject. If you think there's something better to write about, start your own blog.

And there is absolutely nothing more boring than announcing how bored you are.

re: #68 eddiespaghetti

Eddie, if you want data, start with the links I posted in #50 above, then follow Sharmuta's suggestion -- check out the tags right below Charles' post. There's plenty of data available if you want to learn.

I've got to run.
Good night, all.

re: #69 Charles

And there is absolutely nothing more boring than announcing how bored you are.

LOL! For sure.

re: #62 CyanSnowHawk

Hey, did Charles get the deleted comments info bar sorted out?

Charles, you didn't need to delete number 63, you could have just said no.

/I question your timing.

//I am assuming that everyone sees the same unusual behavior that I do with deleted comments, and can see that 63 was one of the weird ones where you get an error when you click the football.

While I'm adamantly against teaching creationism or any religion in science classrooms, it is important to mention dissenting ideas and to encourage students to enter the sciences by presenting the anomalies, mysteries, and challenges facing scientists. Otherwise, Science education will be reduced to memorizing vocabulary lists.

I'm currently reading an interesting book called "The Future and its Enemies" (1998) by Virginia Postrel that describes the conflict between creative scientists and dogmatic "technocrats."

For example, here are some You Tube videos demonstrating how scientific prejudice works in Astronomy.

[Link: woodside.blogs.com...]

Ironically, some plasma cosmologists claim that the big bang is "stealth creationism!" What they need now is a court to rule in their favor.

- sk

re: #70 buzzsawmonkey

I am not a big fan of Uriah Heep Syndrome.

Not familiar with that buzz, what is the reference?

re: #77 eddiespaghetti

"I just think this subject is dead like dinner."
Provide an argument supporting that opinion.

re: #78 jaunte

"I just think this subject is dead like dinner."
Provide an argument supporting that opinion.

Or actually, preferably, don't.

The fact that I post dozens and dozens of stories that have nothing to do with creationism never stops people from telling me I'm "obsessed" about the subject. Every time I post anything about it, no matter how much other content I put up, I get email like this:

Your constant harping on the evolution v. religion thing is getting a
little, well, Sullivan-esqe. It's not that I have a dog in the fight;
it's just that your posts are getting a little obsessive in that
direction. But it's your blog and you of course can do what you like.
Just find myself reading you less and less as the hammering on the
creationists continues.

Oh well.

They invariably claim not to care about the subject, but they are invariably on the side of the creationists. It's a sleazy guilt-trip tactic to try to get me to shut up about this subject.

Not gonna work.

re: #79 reine.de.tout

Ha!

re: #74 Spar Kling

Slightly OT:

For her Psych & Religion class at UC Santa Cruz, my daughter wrote a story for the assignment "Your Personal Myth" using the premise of a solar-system-scale catastrophe and how Earth's inhabitants would react. One of the threads of the story is that she decides to commandeer a spaceship and go talk to God face-to-face, on the theory that if the Universe is expanding, then God must be out there in the whatever the Universe is expanding into. It makes for a neat sci-fi story, but also a surprisingly moving spiritual account of how she comes to grips with the mortality of humankind -- and herself.

Even more simple than starting your own blog, why do people who are bored by the subject of ID not just SKIP THE THREAD? Charles is not standing in your living room reading the thing out loud. Just move on to the other six threads from today alone.

re: #78 jaunte

Is it okay to goad someone into saying something that gets them the stick?

re: #69 Charles

For perhaps the 2,175th time, I'm going to delete comments telling me not to post about this subject. If you think there's something better to write about, start your own blog.

And there is absolutely nothing more boring than announcing how bored you are.

Evidently you have never raised a teenager.

re: #74 Spar Kling

So where are those "peer-reviewed" papers on intelligent design that you claimed were suppressed by the almighty scientific establishment? I hope you don't think I just forgot that you tried to lie about this.

Freedom 'of religion' not 'from religion' - last time I looked.

Can't I just worship my waffle?

re: #84 CyanSnowHawk

Well, he says the subject is 'done.' My pov is that it's connected to some other political issues currently in play, and is objectively not 'done.'
He offers an opinion, but no meat.

re: #80 Charles

They are operating on the principle that when reason doesn't work, whining might.

Of course this subject irritates them -- no one likes to be told that they're wrong -- but then, what good is a belief if you can't defend it against contrary evidence?

re: #80 Charles

They invariably claim not to care about the subject, but they are invariably on the side of the creationists. It's a sleazy guilt-trip tactic to try to get me to shut up about this subject.

Not gonna work.

Charles, it's just that you're such an easy pushover...

Heh.
.

re: #83 freedombilly

Even more simple than starting your own blog, why do people who are bored by the subject of ID not just SKIP THE THREAD? Charles is not standing in your living room reading the thing out loud. Just move on to the other six threads from today alone.

Yes, I never get people's need to complain about a thread topic. Read a different thread or go surf the internet and come back later.

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks buzz. Dickens is a gap in my reading, I am only slightly familiar with the band of that name and thought it might be a reference to sour grapes by some rock stars.

re: #74 Spar Kling

There were plenty of "anomalies, mysteries, and challenges" in my 50's science classes. We didn't need religion to discern them.

More than any objection to tainting science with religion ... the closer one pushes religion toward the compromises required in governance, the more corrupt religion becomes. That is precisely the most enormous problem facing Islam today. Since the beginning of the Medina Era, it has become corrupted by too much contact with the secular.

Creationists are absolutely SCREWING their own religion. They themselves will be the death of it, and they don't have a frickin' CLUE that they're doing it.

/rant off ... Charles, delete this if I went too far.

If you continue to post that kind of stuff, I'll just block your account. Your choice.

re: #83 freedombilly

Even more simple than starting your own blog, why do people who are bored by the subject of ID not just SKIP THE THREAD? Charles is not standing in your living room reading the thing out loud. Just move on to the other six threads from today alone.

It's not about the complainant not having to endure the subject. It's about the complainant trying to get Charles to shut up about it for fear that innocent minds will be polluted with anti-Creationist and anti-ID ideas. Eddie doesn't want YOU thinking about the subject, especially not while under the influence of evidence supplied by Charles.

OT-Do you think Michelle Obama started measuring for drapes and showed up with color swatches? I would love a transcript of her talk with Laura Bush.

re: #66 Racer X

OK, who needs a beer?

Just keep 'em comin'.

So President George W. Bush did something right by appointing this life-long Republican judge?

Why was I not informed?

////

re: #74 Spar Kling

What they need now is a court to rule in their favor.

Why would a science need a judicial ruling to promote its truth?

re: #98 livefreeor die

OT-Do you think Michelle Obama started measuring for drapes and showed up with color swatches? I would love a transcript of her talk with Laura Bush.

COLOR!
*GASP*
*SCREAM*
/

re: #99 brickthruplateglasswindow

Just keep 'em comin'.

Whiskey here, please.

re: #96 Charles

What the hell is wrong with everybody. I just log in and already Charles is sparring with another blogger. Just follow his goddamn rules. It's his house. Apologies for the outburst.

re: #80 Charles

The fact that I post dozens and dozens of stories that have nothing to do with creationism never stops people from telling me I'm "obsessed" about the subject. Every time I post anything about it, no matter how much other content I put up, I get email like this:

They invariably claim not to care about the subject, but they are invariably on the side of the creationists. It's a sleazy guilt-trip tactic to try to get me to shut up about this subject.

Not gonna work.

Yet....for all those people claiming they don't like LGF 'as much" anymore (due to evolution threads), every time you open registration, you get a hundred new lizards in about a nanosecond.

I am always curious way some relgious people feel the need to lie about something like this. Their better path is to inspire and lead by example. Their energy is better off spent at religious retreats.

re: #98 livefreeor die

OT-Do you think Michelle Obama started measuring for drapes and showed up with color swatches? I would love a transcript of her talk with Laura Bush.

No, I think Oprah's designer will be there Jan. 22.

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

I wouldn't speculate. But if she did a Scarlett O'Hara and had her inaugural dress made from the White House drapes, it would still look better than what she wore on Election Night.

If anyone ever saw the Carol Burnett version of "Gone with the Wind" and the version of the drapes dress, you would know the mental image going through my head right now of the 2009 Inaugural Ball.

Now that was strange.

Charles, I just saw #95 go from a messed up deleted link, to a proper deleted link when I hit the new comments button. Have you been up to the "man behind the curtain" stuff again that I should not be paying attention to?

OT, but interesting:

Very recent video interview of Gov. Sarah Palin in her living room in Alaska.
.

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Whiskey here, please.

Do we got a hatching here?
I need more eggnog to go with the Baccardi.

/then I'll need more Baccardi ... THEN I'll hic need more hic

re: #98 livefreeor die

OT-Do you think Michelle Obama started measuring for drapes and showed up with color swatches? I would love a transcript of her talk with Laura Bush.

something tells me the drapes will have red in them

re: #103 pre-Boomer Marine brat

COLOR!
*GASP*
*SCREAM*
/

You forgot to faint at the end!

re: #38 Ojoe

OK - Here's the Towercam

The Towercam. Excellent clouds on the San Gabriel Mountains of California. Pacific time zone.

BBL

Ah...thank you, my soul rejoices: California dreamin' on such a grey Autumn evening in Paris....

re: #94 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is precisely the most enormous problem facing Islam today. Since the beginning of the Medina Era, it has become corrupted by too much contact with the secular.

Corrupted? Are you saying Islam should have remained "purer"?

Judge Jones's decision is a classic; one of the most entertaining, well-written legal decisions you'll ever read: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.

He completely destroys the "intelligent design" hoax.

re: #112 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do we got a hatching here?
I need more eggnog to go with the Baccardi.

/then I'll need more Baccardi ... THEN I'll hic need more hic

Dude, I don't know...someone was serving beer, and I am in need of something more medicinal.

re: #113 big steve

Just like her dress.

re: #109 livefreeor die

If anyone ever saw the Carol Burnett version of "Gone with the Wind" and the version of the drapes dress, you would know the mental image going through my head right now of the 2009 Inaugural Ball.

What, are shoulder pads coming back into fashion for women? They always reminded me of that skit for some reason.

re: #107 hazzyday

I am always curious way some relgious people feel the need to lie about something like this. Their better path is to inspire and lead by example. Their energy is better off spent at religious retreats.

IIRC, there was a Pharisee standing at the front of the Temple ....

IMHO, it is somehow part of the same psychology

re: #121 CyanSnowHawk

What, are shoulder pads coming back into fashion for women? They always reminded me of that skit for some reason.

I know what you mean-the really big shoulder pads do look like someone has a curtain rod on their shoulders.

re: #114 livefreeor die

You forgot to faint at the end!

*THUD*

re: #107 hazzyday

I am always curious way some relgious people feel the need to lie about something like this. Their better path is to inspire and lead by example. Their energy is better off spent at religious retreats.

If you read any of the books I listed above, you'll see that the lying was completely outrageous. They even lied about statements they made to reporters, that were published in newspapers and shown on TV. They were lying for Jesus.

HA! "Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"

Love In Out

evolution anagram

that's all I've got................

Lauri Lebo has a website too- The Devil in Dover

re: #118 OldLineTexan

Dude, I don't know...someone was serving beer, and I am in need of something more medicinal.

I'm not particular. I'm what you might call an equal opportunity drinker.

Wine then beer, never fear.

Beer then wine, also fine.

Prestone and gin, think again.

re: #123 livefreeor die

I know what you mean-the really big shoulder pads do look like someone has a curtain rod on their shoulders.

kindof like the Talking Heads on a bad night

suddenly avatars are back......punctuated equilibrium is my guess!

re: #119 eddiespaghetti

I seriously feel like I am being wrongly oppressed here. Check my record, I'm not a troll. This is messed up.

Why do you keep posting variations on the same comment when you see them being deleted one after the other?

Either you're dense, stubborn, stupid or a troll -- is there a fifth possibility that explains your unwillingness to let the matter drop?

re: #109 livefreeor die

:D It might be better than that disastrous election-night dress!

("Oh, just a little something I saw in the window!")

re: #74 Spar Kling

Ironically, some plasma cosmologists claim that the big bang is "stealth creationism!" What they need now is a court to rule in their favor.

What you are calling stealth creationism here is not what was called creationism in Dover or by the discovery instititute. In reference to the disucssion on LGF the cosmologist were either using the term creationism in terms of science or using it in terms of politics. They probably were using it in terms of science without any regard to the court cases.

You reference to it then would be a 'strawman'? Was that your intent? Or are you just throwing wet sticks in the fire til one burns.

re: #111 Tamron

OT, but interesting:

Very recent video interview of Gov. Sarah Palin in her living room in Alaska.
.

Is she wearing only a bath towel?
/If so, I'll watch. : )

Am I in trouble, or is hazzyday in trouble? I have a complex now...

re: #117 Charles

Judge Jones's decision is a classic; one of the most entertaining, well-written legal decisions you'll ever read: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.

He completely destroys the "intelligent design" hoax.

Hey Charles, what the hell IS "intelligent design", anyway?

Duhhh, clue me in, it's your responsibility to completely educate me...
.

Very interesting interview.

Thanks, Charles!

re: #111 Tamron

OT, but interesting:

Very recent video interview of Gov. Sarah Palin in her living room in Alaska.
.

Excellent.

re: #116 Edgar

Corrupted? Are you saying Islam should have remained "purer"?

FOAD

(I will try to explain my hunches if someone's willing to listen. You've already exposed your spots. You don't rate, in my book.)

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

I wouldn't speculate. But if she did a Scarlett O'Hara and had her inaugural dress made from the White House drapes, it would still look better than what she wore on Election Night.

That fabric will go on the sofas.

re: #135 wolfie

:D It might be better than that disastrous election-night dress!

("Oh, just a little something I saw in the window!")

I'm wondering who the designer will be and what hooey we'll have to listen to said designer spout about the meaning behind the dress design.

"The red epaulets symbolize the struggle..."

Glenn Beck was just on O'Reilly. I like Glenn. Bill seemed to be giving him a little bit of a hard time (especially the zinger at the end when he said Larry King didn't even know who Glenn was). Me thinks Bill is setting the tone that he will not be overshadowed by Glenn when Glenn's new show on Fox starts in January. Better watch out Bill. Glenn is much more conservative and entertaining than you are.

I'm outta here for the night.
Bye, all.

re: #138 eddiespaghetti

I thought you wanted to more about this subject, so I pointed out the tags at the bottom of the post to help you out, because Charles has well documented what the issues are. But apparently you'd rather whine than learn.

Has Fox returned to normal yet?

Arg. Just hit the wrong button and deleted most of the post. First time that's happened. Will fix.

re: #147 Sharmuta

Er- wanted to learn more.

eddie- either learn what you claimed you wanted to learn or quit whining.

re: #148 livefreeor die

Has Fox returned to normal yet?

HA! The panic-stricken sucking up will continue under the guise of "let's all pull together/come together now".

re: #122 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IIRC, there was a Pharisee standing at the front of the Temple ....

Please watch what you say about the Pharisees.

They were actually good guys who survived the destruction of Judaism's Second Temple.

At the point where Christianity split off from Judaism, there were some things said and done that have inspired apologies from Christians to Jews since then.

Some of the things said about Jews back then should be included.

Well, here's another brilliant plan from the annointed one.

OT-- Why doesn't this surprise me? (sorry if this was posted already)

Minnesota Ripe for Election Fraud

Ballot security could be issue in Senate recount

Change comes to Washington: Fox's Brit Hume is retiring

BTW - for anyone who thinks that shoving Intelligent Design down the throats of Americans via public schools is a GREAT way to win back the White House and win a supermajority in both houses (and fulfill every other political fantasy), they might want to take a look at this article from 1993 which provided a mainstream rallying cry of the then-dead left in California.

It got play in the Village Voice and the Nation and then entered into various education journals. Nothing like creating an irrational boogie man for your enemies to unite against. Especially when that boogie man offers no chance of surviving the next election cycle (2 of the 3 stealth socons that landed on the Vista School Board lasted a whopping 2 years).

But hey, the left uses the incident to raise money and elect candidates across this state TO THIS DAY.

Yipeeee!

Let's stand together and purify the Republican ranks of the ideologically impure!

re: #126 Charles

If you read any of the books I listed above, you'll see that the lying was completely outrageous. They even lied about statements they made to reporters, that were published in newspapers and shown on TV. They were lying for Jesus.

No. Just, no. They didn't lie in His name. They lied to promote themselves, and that's not what Jesus Christ is all about.

re: #158 MandyManners

No. Just, no. They didn't lie in His name. They lied to promote themselves, and that's not what Jesus Christ is all about.

Forgot my bolding.

re: #154 livefreeor die

How much money will this cost in court fees?

re: #6 ErislDysnomia

Obama facts being flushed down memory lane like so many other key parts of our history. Someone wrote in another thread that we need to make sure our kids (if we have them) are made of aware of "actual" history because it appears we are destined to repeat it. Which would be profoundly unfortunate.

Nice ads.

Shocked looked on the woman's face.

re: #74 Spar Kling

That is a very good book, and I recommend it to everyone.

The "devil in Dover." Is my sole in peril?

re: #153 Adina in Judea

I was hanging in, waiting, just in case this caused controversy.

This is a metaphorical reference in the way I use it. Has nothing to do with the Pharisees themselves. Sorry if it offended. Was not my intent.

/Gone for good this time -- g'night, Adina

re: #165 godfrey

The "devil in Dover." Is my sole in peril?

*rimshot*

re: #126 Charles

If you read any of the books I listed above, you'll see that the lying was completely outrageous. They even lied about statements they made to reporters, that were published in newspapers and shown on TV. They were lying for Jesus.

I've read parts of the Miller book. "Lying for Jesus" is probably an appropriate description. Well we know it is because they are weak in their faith and feel the need to overcompensate by getting their neighbors to agree to their views by bullying. Even if they don't understand their beliefs completely themselves.

It brings to mind to me what are they trying to steal? This is how thieves operate. And when they get caught. Total Denial. Even in the face of video evidence.

Anthropologically, I believe they have embraced a culture that can't evolve into modern times and eventually genetically weans itself out of business. History is littered with cultures that crept away shocked by more advanced cultures. Couldn't cope. What that need to do is find the modern that they can grasp and integrate themselves with it.

re: #154 livefreeor die

Well, here's another brilliant plan from the annointed one.

Quick, get a screen grab before it changes.

re: #160 NYCHardhat

How much money will this cost in court fees?

Not to mention lives when the terrorists' pals decide to rally behind their brothers on trial.

I feel like someone runs into a room (that bears a shiny brass plaque saying "Office of the President-Elect"), throws an idea out, and-BANG- we have a policy. No thinking it through required.

re: #149 Charles

Arg. Just hit the wrong button and deleted most of the post. First time that's happened. Will fix.

You need more fixing, the link in there now takes you out to an Amazon.com page of creationist kiddie books.

re: #166 ploome hineni

lol

You sure know how to cut someone down to, er, size.

re: #111 Tamron

OT, but interesting:

Very recent video interview of Gov. Sarah Palin in her living room in Alaska.
.

LOL!

At the end she says Tina Fey's in-laws are hard core Republicans who came to one of her rally's.

re: #166 ploome hineni

that red highlighted perfectly her primary and secondary sexual characteristics

it was awful

Also, Commie Red and Black Power Black.

re: #168 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks!

re: #165 godfrey

The "devil in Dover." Is my sole in peril?

Get ye to a cobbler immediately!

re: #161 Maui Girl

Don't worry, the moonbat teachers are already planning on indoctrinating our children via educational videos.

Johnny is a Communist
Janie is on welfare
Bill Ayers. Portrait of an American Hero

Do I need to add //////////////?

re: #170 ploome hineni

all that was missing on her dress, were pasties

Yes, but she'd have never been able to top that dress. The Inaugural one has to be special!

re: #53 FrogMarch

Generation E. Good one.

re: #165 godfrey

The "devil in Dover." Is my sole in peril?

Don't have time to listen to the audio. Can I just get the Cliffs Notes?

re: #181 ploome hineni

All that's missing from that dress is a uterus, tastefully appliqué, bien sûr!

Is that what you mean?

re: #179 eddiespaghetti

How is this not a forum?

Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) calls out Obama on socialist/communist civil service corps:

Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

Take that up with the almonDean of Students.

Butter not, you'll get grilled.

What happened to persuading someone to "come to Jesus" the old fashioned way, through good works, setting a good example and praying for their soul. This is outright trickery in my book and really shouldn't be tolerated. Not once in church did I hear any of my pastors say you have to believe in creationism or you will go to hell. And of the dozen scientists that I know personally, they have not once tried to tell me that their field of work is there to contradict religion. In fact, they don't talk about it at all when they are talking shop. Why can't the creationists do the same?

re: #155 twincitiesgirl

OT-- Why doesn't this surprise me? (sorry if this was posted already)

Minnesota Ripe for Election Fraud

Ballot security could be issue in Senate recount

If they do it like in Washington state, they will let bad ballots from Democrats be re canvassed post elections with the correction to the democrate made legal. Or they will "Discover" ballots behind something in the Democrat district. All the time ignoring ACORN and ACORN like activities. And they will do this til they get the votes. Then they will give the Republicans a shortened time span to contest the recounts, and move through the court system on technicalities to say "Voting over, Case Closed, Your lead is now gone, you lose, be a good citizen now and don't ask any more questions" Slade Gorton lost that way. Dino Rossi lost that way. If the election is close the Democrat will try and steal it.

A variation on "Lies for Jesus" that socons can use for the 2012 campaign:

Thou Shall Not, Damn It!

re: #179 eddiespaghetti

That's why you might want to look into the tags Charles has provided. It's not won- their creationists are still pushing their agenda. If you'd like to stop that, you might want to take the time to learn what it is they're doing.

re: #189 godfrey

All that's missing from that dress is a uterus, tastefully appliqué, bien sûr!

Is that what you mean?

She didn't want anyone to think she was sponsored by Dodge Trucks.

I've been silent for a few moments because I've been transfixed by the image of Michelle Obama wearing pastries on her inaugural gown. Either that, or Cornish pasties. So my brain is kind of oscillating between two symbolically horrific alternatives.

Carry on.

re: #198 CyanSnowHawk

She didn't want anyone to think she was sponsored by Dodge Trucks.

That's it! She can sell advertising space on her inaugural gown and donate the money to....something.

re: #198 CyanSnowHawk

Whoa.

When you lie for Jesus, you're not lying in his name but in the name of the prince of lies.

re: #200 livefreeor die

donate the money to....something.

A fashion advisor, for starters.

re: #197 Sharmuta

That's why you might want to look into the tags Charles has provided. It's not won- their creationists are still pushing their agenda. If you'd like to stop that, you might want to take the time to learn what it is they're doing.

Sharmuta,
My hat's off to you. You're a helluva lot more patient than I am. He's not really interested in learning anything; after all, didn't he just say that the subject is boring? Don't waste your time.

re: #155 twincitiesgirl

Powerline has more.

I'm persiflaging about gowns, but my reading about da Fed gif me cred.

The Fed is a private entity, yes? Wow.

re: #205 Amy

My patience comes and goes. I guess eddie caught me on a good night.

re: #28 Dar ul Harb

Speaking of which, have you seen the prices Smith and Wesson is asking for revolvers this day and age? I don't care if they do have titanium cylinders and only weigh a few ounces. It's unreal!

:-þ

Re: Minnesota. I think of Coleman as Lileks and Franken as ... Franken.

i.e., no contest.

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

Remember all that "end of history" crap some years ago? Obama's election signals the "end of news."

Yep, and I wonder if more older "journalists" will say the election of Obama as the crowning feather in their caps and retire, like Helen Thomas.

That's your last warning. You just didn't want to pay attention, I guess.

re: #208 Sharmuta

My patience comes and goes. I guess eddie caught me on a good night.

Lucky for him! ;)

re: #212 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yep, and I wonder if more older "journalists" will say the election of Obama as the crowning feather in their caps and retire, like Helen Thomas.

From your mouth to God's ears.

re: #158 MandyManners

No. Just, no. They didn't lie in His name. They lied to promote themselves, and that's not what Jesus Christ is all about.

That's true but I think they think of themselves as representing Christ's work. The lieing is a sin. A bigger one to me if they pretend to advocate Christ's work in the process. If it is just about the one person. Then that is their problem.

For me though, I would say they are really working the hand of the Devil. Capital D. The people who get upset about this and can't resolve it should be asking themselves what religious side they are really on. You can be a YEC'er and be productive in life. But the ones we see complaining here and the ones in court are not productive.

re: #170 ploome hineni

all that was missing on her dress, were pasties

Yes, and maybe a little pink fluff around the hem.
.

re: #207 godfrey

I'm persiflaging about gowns, but my reading about da Fed gif me cred.

The Fed is a private entity, yes? Wow.

Amazing, innit? A couple trillion here, a couple trillion there and soon you're talking REAL money.

Being a private entity they're immune from FOIA requests, yes?

re: #214 Amy

Lucky for him! ;)

Maybe not.

re: #202 MandyManners

When you lie for Jesus, you're not lying in his name but in the name of the prince of lies.

I think you expressed this correctly. imo

re: #209 ploome hineni

It's nothing a trip to Paris couldn't fix. For God's sake, her husband was practically running for Master of the Universe. Live a little.

re: #117 Charles

Judge Jones's decision is a classic; one of the most entertaining, well-written legal decisions you'll ever read: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District.

He completely destroys the "intelligent design" hoax.

I remember reading that. It was amazing.

I might note that - in all fairness - the ACLU may stand up for a lot of screwed-up things, and have marxist roots, but sometimes they actually do make themselves useful.

Argh-how can Monday Night Football be the 49ers against the Cardinals? Did anyone at ESPN seriously expect this to be a good game when they scheduled it during the off-season?

re: #212 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yep, and I wonder if more older "journalists" will say the election of Obama as the crowning feather in their caps and retire, like Helen Thomas.

PIMF- see, not say.

re: #213 Charles

That's your last warning. You just didn't want to pay attention, I guess.

How many times to you have to get deleted before you get the fricken' point?

re: #222 godfrey

It's nothing a trip to Paris couldn't fix. For God's sake, her husband was practically running for Master of the Universe. Live a little.

OMG, now Skeletor Colmes makes even LESS sense!

re: #215 livefreeor die

From your mouth to God's ears.

I can only hope.

re: #226 lone_wolf_in_illinois

How many times to you have to get deleted before you get the fricken' point?

It's a pointed stick now?

re: #229 CyanSnowHawk

In the side....

re: #215 livefreeor die

From your mouth to God's ears.

Actually, it's from my brain to God's ears since I didn't actually "say" it. ; )

re: #80 Charles

The fact that I post dozens and dozens of stories that have nothing to do with creationism never stops people from telling me I'm "obsessed" about the subject. Every time I post anything about it, no matter how much other content I put up, I get email like this:

They invariably claim not to care about the subject, but they are invariably on the side of the creationists. It's a sleazy guilt-trip tactic to try to get me to shut up about this subject.

Not gonna work.

perhaps there are kinds of little stealth assassins sneaking into peoples houses and holding guns to their heads forcing them to come to your blog and read your threads. And because they were really here against their will, their form of resistance was posting a coded message saying they were bored.
Just a theory. Or not. ;-)>

re: #196 karmic_inquisitor

A variation on "Lies for Jesus" that socons can use for the 2012 campaign:

What's a socon?

re: #227 OldLineTexan

Catwoman. She should've dressed as Catwoman.

re: #178 MandyManners

Also, Commie Red and Black Power Black.

Also, quite suggestive of the distinctive markings of a Black Widow spider. What could she possibly have been suggesting? Eating her mate?
.

re: #232 Outrider

perhaps there are kinds of little stealth assassins sneaking into peoples houses and holding guns to their heads forcing them to come to your blog and read your threads. And because they were really here against their will, their form of resistance was posting a coded message saying they were bored.
Just a theory. Or not. ;-)>

Hey, it makes as much sense as Obama's proposals so far.

re: #232 Outrider

perhaps there are kinds of little stealth assassins sneaking into peoples houses and holding guns to their heads forcing them to come to your blog and read your threads. And because they were really here against their will, their form of resistance was posting a coded message saying they were bored.
Just a theory. Or not. ;-)>

Great. You hadda go expose the stealth assassins. Now Obama has something else for Chuck the Schmuck to ban. Thanks heaps.

/

re: #202 MandyManners

When you lie for Jesus, you're not lying in his name but in the name of the prince of lies.

Bill Clinton? He's so yesterday!
/

re: #217 Tamron

Yes, and maybe a little pink fluff around the hem.
.

and perhaps just a tad more class?

re: #235 Tamron

Advantage: Bruni.

re: #234 godfrey

Catwoman. She should've dressed as Catwoman.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

re: #178 MandyManners

Mark Rothko called the dress designer; he wants his concept back.
[Link: www.tate.org.uk...]

re: #226 lone_wolf_in_illinois

How many times to you have to get deleted before you get the fricken' point?

'Til the last one.

I would like to pose a few off topic questions to fellow Lizards:

Is it wrong for me to question my President-elect's position on Israel without feeling like I am a traitor?

If I dwell on this as long as the LLL did on the war in Iraq, does that make me as nutty as they were?

re: #233 wolfie

What's a socon?

Social
Conservative

/unlike "neocon", I don't know what it's code for

[Barney] Frank said the Fed shouldn't reveal the assets it holds or how it values them because of ``delicacy with respect to pricing.'' He said such disclosure would ``give people clues to what your pricing is and what they might be able to sell us and what your estimates are.''

He was drinking.

He wouldn't say why he thought that information would be problematic.

This, from the man who covered for Fanny and Fred. Knock me over with a feather.

re: #244 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I would like to pose a few off topic questions to fellow Lizards:

Is it wrong for me to question my President-elect's position on Israel without feeling like I am a traitor?

If I dwell on this as long as the LLL did on the war in Iraq, does that make me as nutty as they were?

As nutty as squirrel poo.

Enjoy Gitmo.

/

re: #245 OldLineTexan

Social
Conservative

/unlike "neocon", I don't know what it's code for

"Neocon" is code for Jew.

re: #246 godfrey

This, from the man who covered for Fanny and Fred. Knock me over with a feather.

Barney and Fanny. Get thee behind me, Satan!

/Fannie

re: #244 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Why on earth would you feel like a traitor for questioning potentially dangerous policy?

re: #245 OldLineTexan

Heh. ;)

re: #248 Sharmuta

"Neocon" is code for Jew.

Yes, see, I KNOW that one.

re: #247 OldLineTexan

I don't think that Charles would hand over the ip's of the lizardoid army unless they push him beyond all deleted comments could push him!

What happened to the plus or minus thingys for up or down dinging?

re: #244 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I would like to pose a few off topic questions to fellow Lizards:

Is it wrong for me to question my President-elect's position on Israel without feeling like I am a traitor?

If I dwell on this as long as the LLL did on the war in Iraq, does that make me as nutty as they were?

[Holding the envelope to my forehead] And the answers are:
No and very likely so.

Next.

If questioning The One makes me a traitor, I guess I'll be a traitor for the next four years.

re: #250 mama winger

I forgot the sarc tag...

re: #253 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I don't think that Charles would hand over the ip's of the lizardoid army unless they push him beyond all deleted comments could push him!

I used the sarc tag. Sometimes I use more than one if I'm nervous.

re: #254 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Still working here!

re: #254 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What happened to the plus or minus thingys for up or down dinging?

Mine works - I just dinged you.

re: #256 mama winger

If questioning The One makes me a traitor, I guess I'll be a traitor for the next four years.

Wait, wasn't the bumper sticker for the past 8 years, "Dissent is patriotic"?

re: #244 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I would like to pose a few off topic questions to fellow Lizards:

Is it wrong for me to question my President-elect's position on Israel without feeling like I am a traitor?

If I dwell on this as long as the LLL did on the war in Iraq, does that make me as nutty as they were?

Dissent is patriotic.

re: #257 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I forgot the sarc tag...

Oh.

Well then. We can go to re-education camp together then :)

re: #256 mama winger

If questioning The One makes me a traitor, I guess I'll be a traitor for the next four years.

Tell it like it is Mama.

re: #261 livefreeor die

Wait, wasn't the bumper sticker for the past 8 years, "Dissent is patriotic"?

Yup.

Think I'll make a conservative version of that .......

re: #166 ploome hineni

that red highlighted perfectly her primary and secondary sexual characteristics

it was awful

Did you see the little red number she visited the White House in today?

re: #264 freedombilly

Tell it like it is Mama.

Always. What are they gonna do? Kill me?

:)

re: #260 mama winger

Mine works - I just dinged you.

And it felt so nice! Thank you!

J/K, I refreshed the page and they're back.

re: #261 livefreeor die

Wait, wasn't the bumper sticker for the past 8 years, "Dissent is patriotic"?

Oh, but there's dissent and then there's dissent! Dissent from The One's divinely inspired program is grounds for your being transported to one of the reeducation camps that are being set up even as we speak.

re: #266 galloping granny

Did you see the little red number she visited the White House in today?

She is very into gang colors.

re: #235 Tamron

We could hope.

////////(times infinity)

Obama is a study of balance between socialism/Marxism and an inflated ego.

It's impossible to tell where he will land when he floats back to Earth.

It won't be good, but it may not be exactly what he we think either.