Obama needs to come out and clearly identify if this gentleman works for his soon-to-be administration. This is rather odd to not know his employment status.

Who's surprised?

I been saying all along, I don't feel optimistic about the future.

re: #3 formercorpsman

I've

Just part of the pattern that no one in the MSM wants to notice.

re: #4 formercorpsman

I've

Not anymore.

“I think most of us in this room know what a solution would look like if there is going to be a viable and fair solution, we could get into the details, but I don’t think that’s a mystery anymore ...”

My creep meter just pegged.

Link isn't working for me.

Been busy since he was no longer with the great 0...

Link's busted. got a 404

Tip of the iceberg. We will be reading stories like this for the next 4 years.

Yikes.

re: #8 Ben Hur

Link isn't working for me.

Me, neither. Maybe the website's overwhelmed by inquisitive Lizards.

Near the end he speaks somewhat darkly of the reasons why Congress votes the way it does

Gee... let me guess. Is it the eeevil Zionist lobby?

Obama's position on this issue is certainly Malley-able.

The Chicago Way, as exemplified by Richard M. Daley:

"Blah, blah, blah, bullshit, obfuscate, obscure, blah, silly, blah, blah, I didn't know him, blah, blah, blah, bullshit, obfuscate, He's not one of mine, blah, blah, blah, ignore, ignore, blah, blah, it's not my fault, you guys in the press should stop bothering me, it's silly, silly, blah, blah, bullshit."

re: #19 Honorary Yooper

The Chicago Way, as exemplified by Richard M. Daley:

"Blah, blah, blah, bullshit, obfuscate, obscure, blah, silly, blah, blah, I didn't know him, blah, blah, blah, bullshit, obfuscate, He's not one of mine, blah, blah, blah, ignore, ignore, blah, blah, it's not my fault, you guys in the press should stop bothering me, it's silly, silly, blah, blah, bullshit."

You forgot, "Can't I just eat my waffle?"

re: #17 Sharmuta

Gee... let me guess. Is it the eeevil Zionist lobby?

Hair rays.

Robert Malley was raised in France. His lineage is noteworthy. His father, Simon Malley (1923-2006), was a key figure in the Egyptian Communist Party. A passionate hater of Israel, the elder Malley was a close friend and confidante of the late PLO terrorist Yasser Arafat; an inveterate critic of “Western imperialism”; a supporter of various revolutionary “liberation movements,” particularly the Palestinian cause; a beneficiary of Soviet funding; and a supporter of the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. According to American Thinker news editor Ed Lasky, Simon Malley “participated in the wave of anti-imperialist and nationalist ideology that was sweeping the Third World [and] … wrote thousands of words in support of struggle against Western nations.”

Link in Spin-offs.

I got the link by tightening it up a little, but can't get the video to play. Probably too many people trying.

"I think most of us in this room know what a solution would look like..."

Yes, no doubt those folks in the room know exactly what kind of Solution they would like to create.

re: #6 Ben Hur

Forgive me Ben, I am sure there is a joke that, but I don't get it.

Lost my heat last night, work is dogging me, and I am just lagging.

re: #20 vxbush

You forgot, "Can't I just eat my waffle?"

That's Obama's addition to the spiel.

re: #22 Ben Hur

Charming family!

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

That's Obama's addition to the spiel.

Oh, I see. His own personal touch. Gotcha.

/going back to my waffle

Will recieve no media traction (except for LGF and other balanced blog sites). I spent months telling my fellow Jews that there were too many red flags to trust Obama's position on the ME. The only thing it got me was being called racist and right wing fear monger. Be careful what you wish for...

This link will get you to the Age of Hooper page

re: #14 livefreeor die

But according to the Vince Foster effect, the bus corners van may be needed after then too.

better

The Associated Press also reported Simon Malley’s expulsion :

France expelled an Egyptian-born American journalist Friday on grounds his activities threatened harm to French relations with conservative Asian and African countries and put him on a plane for New York...

Malley, his American-born wife Barbara Silverstein of New York, and their three children were all subject to the expulsion order. It was believed Mrs. Malley and the children were still at their home in Paris...

"Some of his articles are a veritable incitement to the assassination of foreign chiefs of state. The French government cannot tolerate them," [a French official said].

The bi-monthly magazine Afrique-Asie is published in Paris and regularly attacks Western policies in all parts of the world. It claims to be non-aligned, but has supported the Soviet military intervention in Afghanistan, the Cuban intervention in Angola and Ethiopia, the seizure of American hostages in Iran, the Algerian-backed guerrilla war in southern Morocco, and the Arab opposition to Israel and the Camp David agreements.

In an editorial, the magazine said Malley's expulsion proved the French government's collusion with "imperialist, neo-colonialist and racist forces seeking to destabilize and overthrow revolutionary regimes"...

The Algerian, Libyan and Angolan governments have publicly defended Malley and warned that his expulsion could damage their relations with France. Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat said it would undermine France's prestige throughout the Arab world. (AP, Oct. 3, 1980; emphasis added)

Papa Malley.

Sucks to be Malley the Plumber.

re: #22 Ben Hur

Link in Spin-offs.

And I dinged this up not because it's good news, but because it is news that should be seen.

Gee, I wonder how this guy and Rahm E. get along? Stay away from the steak knives Malley.

OT

Some really important thinking over at The Anchoress; maybe it deserves a thread of its own:

ARE WE MAKING IDOLS OF OUR IDEOLOGIES?
The Wall Street Journal has an editorial up entitled McCain’s Apostacies.
Think about that for a minute. His differences with his party are not differences, they’re “apostacies.” He is, for some, a heretic who has departed too sharply away from the dogmas and sacraments of The Church of Conservatism.
And he’s the pro-life guy!
I’ve been thinking for a while that the hyperpartisanship on both sides was beginning to resemble the Protestant/Catholic sectarian troubles in Northern Ireland. Hate and malice are being extended by both sides to those “others” over there. The “other side.”
Nothing else matters but that they don’t believe the same things “we” believe (whoever “we” are, Conservative or Liberal). Because they don’t believe the same things “we” believe, they are bad, undesirable people and we shun them and will not have them in our midst.
It’s downright unAmerican, if you ask me. And the tenacity with which both sides cling to their beliefs makes one wonder if the political extremes are not misplacing their faith - putting it not in God, but in “the party” and “the movement.”
I did something I almost never do, recently, and spent a little time exchanging ideas within the thread of another blog. Within that exchange, someone wrote:
I just don’t see what [George W]Bush has done for the movement or the party.
That stopped me in my tracks. All this time I thought the president - any president - was expected to serve the interests of the whole nation and all its citizenry. Apparently not; apparently the president is supposed to serve “the party” and “the movement” and if he does not do that - he is a poor and despised president.

Link

Main part starts 5 paragraphs down.

I hear the new Messiah can raise the dead, so I'm waiting to see how many people are miraculously resurrected from their apparently fatal bus accidents.

re: #25 formercorpsman

Forgive me Ben, I am sure there is a joke that, but I don't get it.

Lost my heat last night, work is dogging me, and I am just lagging.

Bad joke.

Forget it.

I know a "viable and fair solution," too. This would be a heck of a good time to bring down the Pali's best friend Iran a few notches by taking care of their nuclear program. Better now than when Obama starts to rule. Better now when our army is in Iraq for stability sake.

And BEST now when the demand for oil -- and the price of oil -- is maybe as low as it's going to get. If Iran came off line for a while now it would have minimal impact on the world's economies. That wasn't true six months ago, and probably won't be true six months from now.

I think this is just the sort of action that would advance the outlook for peace and stability in the ME. And the moment is propitious.

I believe it's my 2 year LGF anniversary...

I think my knowledge of history and complex issues has increased substantially.

Many thanks to everyone.

Malley is the only man at Camp David who did not blame Arafat. Curse the day Clinton gave this America/Jew hating piece of work a position in the his National Security Administration.

Malley has deep ties to that other fan of Israel, George Soros. Once again the press continues not doing its job by not asking who this creep is and why is wandering America's halls of power.

this is just the beginning-

The link is fixed now...

To 75% of American Jews, all that matters is that Robert Malley is a Democrat, not a Republican. He's probably an "intellectual" too.

Malley also has written numerous op-eds urging the U.S. to disengage from Israel to some degree, and recommending that America reach out to negotiate with its traditional Arab enemies such as Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah (a creature of Iran dedicated to the extermination of the Jews and death to America), and Muqtada al-Sadr (the Shiite terrorist leader in Iraq).

In addition, Malley has advised nations around the world to establish relationships with, and to send financial aid to, the Hamas-led Palestinian government in Gaza. In Malley’s calculus, the electoral victory that swept Hamas into power in January 2006 was a manifestation of legitimate Palestinian “anger at years of humiliation and loss of self-respect because of Israeli settlement expansion, Arafat’s imprisonment, Israel’s incursions, [and] Western lecturing …”

This Ming is a psycho.

re: #43 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

But, but...associations don't matter.

/whinging Obamabat

re: #45 sagamoregal

To 75% of American Jews, all that matters is that Robert Malley is a Democrat, not a Republican. He's probably an "intellectual" too.

I've grown quite fond of "intellectuals" lately.

///

The US has always supported the right of Israel to exist. What will a 'change' in that policy mean? One guess.

re: #47 Ben Hur

This Ming is a psycho.

No, he's evil. Those who listen to him and consider him as an advisor are psycho.

re: #48 Athos

But, but...associations don't matter.

/whinging Obamabat

Oops- I was thinking someone else.

Perfect guy for Obama's administration. The usual Leftist/Islamist intellectual.

re: #22 Ben Hur

Link in Spin-offs.

I'm sure of two things.

Rahm Emmanuel will defend him to the end.

And that everytime Malley meets with unseemly types, he will claim that he wasn't meeting them in his capacity as Obama employee, but of that other "Crisis Management" group.

Radicals in the mist.

re: #54 Ben Hur

I'm sure of two things.

Rahm Emmanuel will defend him to the end.

And that everytime Malley meets with unseemly types, he will claim that he wasn't meeting them in his capacity as Obama employee, but of that other "Crisis Management" group.

I'm not sure why you think Rahm would defend Malley. After all, as I recall, Rahm E. volunteered for the IDF. I'd think he'd want to kick Malley's a$$.

Still can't get to the website.

re: #54 Ben Hur

I'm sure of two things.

Rahm Emmanuel will defend him to the end.

And that everytime Malley meets with unseemly types, he will claim that he wasn't meeting them in his capacity as Obama employee, but of that other "Crisis Management" group.

Why am I starting to think that now in the post-election period, the mantra of the Obama is going to change from 'change' to 'plausible deniability'.

Perhaps we can start working on Obamaopoly - and instead of a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card, and 'Jail' square, it's a 'Get out from Under the Bus' card and 'Under the Bus'...

Jewish Voters Expressed Concern About Obama's Remarks On The Suffering Of The Palestinian People:

Obama: "Now, in the interim, nobody's suffering more than the Palestinian
people from this whole process."
(Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At A Campaign Event, Muscatine, IA, 3/11/07)

Obama Said Anti-Israel Terrorist Groups Had "Legitimate Claims":

Obama Said That Hezbollah And Hamas Had "Legitimate Claims." "The U.S. needs a foreign policy that 'looks at the root causes of problems and dangers.' Obama compared Hezbollah to Hamas. Both need to be compelled to understand that 'they're going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims.' He knows these movements aren't going away anytime soon ('Those missiles aren't going to dissolve'), but 'if they decide to shift, we're going to recognize that. That's an evolution that should be recognized.'" (David Brooks, Op-Ed, "Obama Admires Bush," The New York Times, 5/16/08)

At An April 2007 Debate, Obama Did Not List Israel As One Of The U.S.'s
Strongest Allies:

Obama Required Prompting To Say That Israel Was One Of The U.S.'s Closest Allies. "Obama appeared to hesitate when he was asked to name the United States' three closest allies, then listed the European Union, NATO and Japan.
He added Israel after debate moderator Brian Williams prompted him." (Steven Thomma, "S.C. Lawmaker Gives Clinton High Marks," McClatchyNewspapers, 4/28/07)

Obama Has Said That He Would Meet With Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Even Though Iran Is The World's Most Active State Sponsor Of Terrorism And Has Threatened To Wipe Israel Off The Map:

At A July 2007 Debate, Obama Didn't Hesitate To Announce He Would Personally Meet With The Leaders Of Iran And Other Rogue Nations. Question: "[W]ould you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?" ...Obama: "I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration -- is ridiculous." (Sen. Barack Obama, CNN/YouTube Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Charleston, SC, 7/23/07)

To some extent we are seeing political losers fixing their wagon to Obama. These are people rejected by the mainstream or are the third string thinkers that are not in the current administration or were Hillary's advisers, which were for all intents and purposes the mainstream Dems. While these people currently have some visibility and clout, they may fade away. Think the light weights and goths Hillary dragged in to the White House in Bill's first term. Most were gone within a year.

re: #56 subsailor68

I'm not sure why you think Rahm would defend Malley. After all, as I recall, Rahm E. volunteered for the IDF. I'd think he'd want to kick Malley's a$$.

Because ideology trumps everything else.

He knew about Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, etc etc.

re: #22 Ben Hur

Link in Spin-offs.

Save that link before it disappears down the memory hole.

Why is it that every committee or conference that has the words "Anti-discriminatory" in their titles ends up discriminating against some group or another?

re: #55 Ben Hur

Radicals in the mist.

Chariots of Prairie Fire

Geez-- ya mean Obama didn't really throw all those commies and white people under the bus? Who woulda thunk? ;-)

re: #56 subsailor68

"I'm not sure why you think Rahm would defend Malley. After all, as I recall, Rahm E. volunteered for the IDF. I'd think he'd want to kick Malley's a$$."

I'm still confused by the Rahm appointment. Is he just there as a pit-bull?

The Jew-hating wing of Obamacrats have their knickers all in a twist about him.

Maybe Obama plans to actually honor one of his many commitments - to help keep Israel safe?

re: #62 Ben Hur

Because ideology trumps everything else.

He knew about Wright, Ayers, Khalidi, etc etc.

I take your point. If you're right, the idea that Rahm E. would throw Israel under the bus is even more troubling.

re: #59 Buck

European Union, NATO?

Breaking: Barack Obama thinks EU and Nato are countries, but knows Africa is a continent.

Anyone else remember during the 2nd (I think) debate when Barry was making his argument against foreign oil from "people that don't like us very much...like...er...Venuzuela...uhm...Russia...and probably (IIRC) Iran..."?

Saudi? and rest of the ME?

re: #1 vxbush

Obama needs to come out and clearly identify if this gentleman

He's just a guy from the hate Israel neighberhood.

So Obama is surrounding himself with radical leftists. What else is new?

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard the first fully automated airline flight into the new era of Hope and Change. There are no humans controlling this flight, but instead a state of the art computer controller aeronautical system will manage all the requirements to fly this ship of state to its destination. So sit back, relax and be assured that nothing dzttzt can go wrong...can go wrong...can go wrong..can go wrong...dzttzt... go wrong...

/breathe...

re: #68 subsailor68

I take your point. If you're right, the idea that Rahm E. would throw Israel under the bus is even more troubling.

Isn't it odd that he choose an half-Israeli Jew?

After hearing for 8 years about Joo this and Joo that, Zionists this and ZioNAZIS that,

EMMANUEL IS A MOSSAD AGENT!

re: #59 Buck

Jewish Voters Expressed Concern About Obama's Remarks On The Suffering Of The Palestinian People:

I spent a lot of time discussing the upcoming election with my Jewish friends. And, with in the Jewish community here, I'm look at, lovingly, as a honorary Jew. All of my Jewish friends ignored the arguments that we at LGF so frequently made.

In many ways, I don't feel sorry for them. If they have a concern now, it's too late. It's going to take a whole lot of poop to change this now.

re: #67 crown_of_feathers

"I'm not sure why you think Rahm would defend Malley. After all, as I recall, Rahm E. volunteered for the IDF. I'd think he'd want to kick Malley's a$$."

I'm still confused by the Rahm appointment. Is he just there as a pit-bull?

The Jew-hating wing of Obamacrats have their knickers all in a twist about him.

Maybe Obama plans to actually honor one of his many commitments - to help keep Israel safe?

You and I are both confused, but I'd guess the pit-bull component is part of the overall decision. And, from your lips to God's ear about honoring a commitment to keep Israel safe!

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

I spent a lot of time discussing the upcoming election with my Jewish friends. And, with in the Jewish community here, I'm look at, lovingly, as a honorary Jew. All of my Jewish friends ignored the arguments that we at LGF so frequently made.

In many ways, I don't feel sorry for them. If they have a concern now, it's too late. It's going to take a whole lot of poop to change this now.

I no longer care what American Jews think about Israel.

Yes yes, I know, lobbying for this and that, money etc, but I'm sure that it's a very small active minority of the community.

re: #73 Ben Hur

Isn't it odd that he choose an half-Israeli Jew?

After hearing for 8 years about Joo this and Joo that, Zionists this and ZioNAZIS that,

EMMANUEL IS A MOSSAD AGENT!

No, that's Zohan. :-)

bbl

re: #72 IslandLibertarian

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard the first fully automated airline flight into the new era of Hope and Change. There are no humans controlling this flight, but instead a state of the art computer controller aeronautical system will manage all the requirements to fly this ship of state to its destination. So sit back, relax and be assured that nothing dzttzt can go wrong...can go wrong...can go wrong..can go wrong...dzttzt... go wrong...

/breathe...

And in the safety card is this tibit - "Powered by Windows"

"In the event of emergency, press CTRL-ALT-DEL and wait 5 minutes for the system to reboot"

re: #65 Sharmuta

Chariots of Prairie Fire

One Flew Over The Leftist's Nest

If Israel perceives Washington tilting toward the Arabs I believe they may take military action before their weapon systems and shared intelligence begin to degrade. This, I believe, is called an unintended consequence of a more "even handed" policy undertaken to promote "peace."

The Ö and his cabal of terrorist-supporting, Israel-hating handlers are pushing us into World War III. I'm just not sure which side our country will wind up on.

He said these things.

THEN Obama chose him to go to for foreign policy advice.

Criminals, racists, terrorists, criminals who support racists, racists who support terrorists, etc. These appear to be the only kind of people that Obama knows, hires, deals with, works for.

But we are to believe Obama had no idea.

re: #80 OldLineTexan

One Flew Over The Leftist's Nest

Reds.

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Reds.

The Obama Identity.

(The sequels are even worse, when you think about it.)

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Reds.

I prefer to call them watermelons; green on the outside, red on the inside.

I'm afraid we won't know many of Obama's true intentions until our hands are strapped to his dentist's chair.

re: #81 Freods

If Israel perceives Washington tilting toward the Arabs I believe they may take military action before their weapon systems and shared intelligence begin to degrade. This, I believe, is called an unintended consequence of a more "even handed" policy undertaken to promote "peace."

Israel is split, just like us. Between the sane and insane. The insane have been in control recently.

What Israel does or doesn't so depends if whether the sane ever regain power.

Daniel Pipes has an article about Obama and the Middle East...

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

re: #88 Opinionated

Israel is split, just like us. Between the sane and insane. The insane have been in control recently.

What Israel does or doesn't so depends if whether the sane ever regain power.

The problem is that the sane people will be shipped off to the asylum for reeducation while the recently released inmates, along with their gullible rubes, run the country.

re: #60 buzzsawmonkey

Though Robert Malley may not favor Israel or the Jews
Don't look to mainstream media for info on his views
With empty tales of "hope" and "change" the news reports are full
While Obama's policy course will remain Malley-able.

How can we expect the media to provide this info? They're busy, dammit! They are discussing First Puppy names. Geez, priorities, folks! Can't be talking about icky stuff, like national security and long standing alliances.
/

Will the Obama administration throw Israel and Poland to the wolves? Stay tuned.

I see lots of fence straddling, stealth double talk, back-peddaling, denials and media cover-ups in our future.

re: #80 OldLineTexan

Triumph of the Will

oh, wait, that's already a movie

I know that the movie "V for Vendetta" was aimed at the Bush administration, but I think it's time to re-watch the film in light of recent events.

re: #1 vxbush

Obama needs to come out and clearly identify if this gentleman works for his soon-to-be administration. This is rather odd to not know his employment status.

The press will never hold his feet to the fire on anything, he'll just start eating waffles

re: #92 FrogMarch

Biden already told us about that.

"Thanks for the warning, Joe!"

re: #67 crown_of_feathers

After all, as I recall, Rahm E. volunteered for the IDF.

If I have heard correctly, he was part of a group made up of civilian volunteers that assist the IDF, but didn't join the IDF itself. He maintained vehicles, etc.

re: #93 Kenneth

Triumph of the Will

oh, wait, that's already a movie

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Inauguration

This is not the website I know:

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Down the memory-hole...?

re: #95 SpartanWoman

The press will never hold his feet to the fire on anything, he'll just start eating waffles

That would be a recipe for all the mainstream media companies to become bankrupt. I would HOPE that people would expect the clearly leaning media to get real.

I know, I'm expecting CHANGE from a group that doesn't.

2010: A Post-Racial Odyssey

I'm less concerned about Israel- and I am very concerned about Israel- then I'm concerned about us.

If Israel elects correctly, it will have a Government that stands up to its enemies, even if one is named Obama, and they have the strength- if they have the will- to survive.

But we remain vulnerable from all sorts of directions because we have a radical Leftist as President.

“I think most of us in this room know what a solution would look like if there is going to be a viable and fair solution, we could get into the details, but I don’t think that’s a mystery anymore ...”

would this be The Final Solution...?

Hope! Change! Kneel before Zod...um...I mean Obama...

re: #96 Kenneth

Biden already told us about that.

"Thanks for the warning, Joe!"

I believe Joe's message was directed to the far left of their support base. A reality check to the freaks. Another 9/11 or worse can happen to any sitting president.

Joe essentially signaled: "please don't abandon us and do what you did to Bush if we are tested." (even though we kinda liked it cuz it benefited us)

re: #98 OldLineTexan

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Inauguration

Guess Who's Coming to Eat our Dinner... and spread the rest of what we have.

re: #56 subsailor68

Actually, according to another poster, Emanuel did not volunteer with the IDF. He volunteered for Sar-El. See post here...

I couldn't watch the video, but is the guy on the screen cap Malley? What a sorry excuse for a man...inside and out.

Too bad that someone didn't take care of his commie/Egyptian father before he spawned. I detest self-hating Jews.

re: #104 FrogMarch

I believe Joe's message was directed to the far left of their support base. A reality check to the freaks. Another 9/11 or worse can happen to any sitting president.

Joe essentially signaled: "please don't abandon us and do what you did to Bush if we are tested." (even though we kinda liked it cuz it benefited us)

He was signalling military draft.

re: #106 J.S.

Actually, according to another poster, Emanuel did not volunteer with the IDF. He volunteered for Sar-El. See post here...

Good catch. I was working from memory, and that's obviously not a good strategy for me.

:-)

re: #69 Ben Hur

European Union, NATO?

Breaking: Barack Obama thinks EU and Nato are countries, but knows Africa is a continent.

Anyone else remember during the 2nd (I think) debate when Barry was making his argument against foreign oil from "people that don't like us very much...like...er...Venuzuela...uhm ...Russia...and probably (IIRC) Iran..."?

Saudi? and rest of the ME?

To be fair, I never once heard GW Bush state that we get a hell of a lot of oil from the Saudis, and that the Saudis most certainly are not friends of ours.

McCain at least was willing to acknowledge that, as was Palin.

“I think most of us in this room know what a solution would look like if there is going to be a viable and fair solution, we could get into the details, but I don’t think that’s a mystery anymore ...”

Somewhat darkly?

re: #106 J.S.

Actually, according to another poster, Emanuel did not volunteer with the IDF. He volunteered for Sar-El. See post here...

Give Emanuel credit for at least volunteering. The IDF doesn't want or need neophyte volunteers. Any American who goes to Israel like Emanuel does would do it with Sar-El. The Only American I know who The IDF called back was a friend of mine who volunteered in 1973, but he was a Pilot in the USAF (Air Guard at the time ). Him they wanted, but that was a special case.

re: #113 Nevergiveup

Give Emanuel credit for at least volunteering.

I don't think the purpose is to denigrate him, but just part of the LGF fact-checking philosophy.

Reading the dozens of LLL sites that popped up with I searched for the name of the civilian group was a real eye-opener.

Almost all of them contain dark suspicion because of his involvement with Israel. What? That is suspicious but bombing the US Capitol isn't?

One graciously said that volunteering for the IDF didn't "in and of itself, make him a security risk."

re: #113 Nevergiveup

Give Emanuel credit for at least volunteering. The IDF doesn't want or need neophyte volunteers. Any American who goes to Israel like Emanuel does would do it with Sar-El. The Only American I know who The IDF called back was a friend of mine who volunteered in 1973, but he was a Pilot in the USAF (Air Guard at the time ). Him they wanted, but that was a special case.

Israel considers any child of even one Israeli, no matter where they were born and raised, as an Israeli subject to the IDF draft.

Some such people do go to Israel- even if for just a few years -and serve in the IDF.

re: #113 Nevergiveup

yeah. I guess it's better than having a record of volunteering for Peace Now...

re: #116 Opinionated

Israel considers any child of even one Israeli, no matter where they were born and raised, as an Israeli subject to the IDF draft.

Some such people do go to Israel- even if for just a few years -and serve in the IDF.

Yeah a few YEARS, but they are not going to bother with someone for a few weeks.

Obama's fraud machine must be much more powerful than we believe if he thinks he can get re-elected with this kind of nonsense, thrown in with the story about his "connection" to HAMAS that was kept quiet before the election so as not to hurt his chances.

re: #118 Nevergiveup

Yeah a few YEARS, but they are not going to bother with someone for a few weeks.

What I'm saying is that where Emanuel is getting kudos from some Jews for a minor short time voluntary mundane civilian service, others similarly situated do a full IDF stint.

"would this be The Final Solution...?"

You may think you're joking, but the vile deranged antisemitic hatemonger that calls itself Jimmy Carter once publicly called for a "Final Solution" to the Israeli-Arab conflict.

re: #121 Opinionated

What I'm saying is that where Emanuel is getting kudos from some Jews for a minor short time voluntary mundane civilian service, others similarly situated do a full IDF stint.

OK, we're on the same page.

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, he did. It was when he was endorsing the moronic "Geneva Plan" concocted by peacenik Yossi Beilin.

Which is a close cousin of the "Saudi Plan" concocted by a Saudi Prince and supported by that whore Tom Friedman!

When people say they "know what a solution would look like if there is going to be a viable and fair solution" - they're talking about Israel making suicidal concessions.

It's the suicidal concessions that Israel keeps refusing to make, which is why the "solution" still isn't in place 15 years after the Oslo Accords.

re: #127 Adina in Judea

When people say they "know what a solution would look like if there is going to be a viable and fair solution" - they're talking about Israel making suicidal concessions.

It's the suicidal concessions that Israel keeps refusing to make, which is why the "solution" still isn't in place 15 years after the Oslo Accords.

By your nick you give the impression that you are an Israeli living in the territories, but you're not, are you?

Did you ever post here using another ID?

re: #115 Silhouette

Yeah, I read through a few sites too. Amazing how quickly the "dual loyalty" issue crops up amongst the Jew-haters.

I don't know what the cut-off is for the IDF draft (for returning Israeli citizens). I believe it may be as little as a few weeks, but that is probably for native born Israelis who moved overseas and have then returned. Emanuel was born in the US, so even if Israel considers him Israeli based on his father, I'm not sure they recognize the right to conscript him.

These days, I understand there are people who don't bother to go into the army (and I'm not talking about the ultra-orthodox), and are not prosecuted for draft evasion.

Mahal (overseas volunteers) is the program under which young foreigners can participate in the IDF. Marva is another program for young adults which includes weapons training; it is supposed to be preparatory for immigration and joining the IDF, but not everyone does. To my great annoyance, I only found out about it several years after I passed the age cut-off.

Sar-el (which Emanuel apparently participated in) is a organization in which volunteers work on noncombat bases, doing routine drudgery so the IDF doesn't have to call up/ pay a reservist, or take a soldier away from a more useful task, to do the job. I have participated in this program more than once. It does not involve firing weapons--believe me, because if there had been any opportunity, I would have taken it!

re: #128 Opinionated

By your nick you give the impression that you are an Israeli living in the territories, but you're not, are you?

Yes, I am. I've mentioned here many times that I'm in North Carolina for a job that I will be doing when I return to Israel. I am required to be onsite for the job at first (and I've also been required to take up North Carolina residency for U.S. tax purposes, which I've done.) I pay taxes in both countries, which means that I have to cite an actual residence address in both countries (which I do.) I will be keeping a room with friends in North Carolina as my residential address so that I can pay U.S. taxes from Israel via North Carolina.

My American-Israeli accountant in Jerusalem does my taxes for both.

Did you ever post here using another ID?

No, but I've been reading LGF for a long time.

re: #128 Opinionated

Obviously, I'm American (an 'Anglo' in Israel.) I've made this very clear here.

re: #129 transient

Emanuel was born in the US, so even if Israel considers him Israeli based on his father, I'm not sure they recognize the right to conscript him.

They retain the right. They also force him to carry an Israeli passport to enter of leave Israel.

They grant an automatic deferment for short visits or to study in Israel. Usually for one year. If he stayed in Israel more then a year he would be subject to being drafted if he was of draft age.

re: #131 Adina in Judea

Obviously, I'm American (an 'Anglo' in Israel.) I've made this very clear here.

When/if you move to Israel, particularly if you live in Judea, your neighbors may take exception to your belief that Israel has not made suicidal concessions over the last several years.

Gaza- for one- was a suicidal concession.

re: #127 Adina in Judea

When people say they "know what a solution would look like if there is going to be a viable and fair solution" - they're talking about Israel making suicidal concessions.
It's the suicidal concessions that Israel keeps refusing to make, which is why the "solution" still isn't in place 15 years after the Oslo Accords.

Could we have a bit more clarity about what is meant by a "viable and fair solution"?
Did the asshole mean a 2 state solution with a Pali state on the West Bank and Gaza with 1967 borders (approx.) including East Jerusalem and reliquishment of all Pali claims to the right of return? Or did he mean a single state solution including an end to the Jewish state?
I can't tell what he meant - can anyone enlighten me?

If Israel ends up in deep S*!t, there will be two responses from the Jewish community here in the U.S.
#1. OMG. How did this happen? Everyone needs to stand strong behind Israel. We need to defend Israel...etc, etc., etc.,

But how can they expect a majority of the conservatives here in the US to support themIsrael when 78% of the Jewish community did not care enough about Israel's future by voting for Obama? My husband is Jewish and when and if and when anything happens, I'll just print out all of the pre-election coverage that pointed the way to a potential (probable) major crisis. As a non-Jew within the Jewish community, I just leave dinner parties feeling like we are living in 2 different universes.

Statement #2. It's George Bush's fault. Of course, this will be the case for the entire term of the Obama Presidency (God, I am still coming to terms with using Obama and POTUS in the same sentence.)

re: #9 taxfreekiller

The bus will be needed until Jan. 20, 2009
Beware of the bus.

I think he will need more than one bus.

re: #133 Opinionated

re: #131 Adina in Judea

Obviously, I'm American (an 'Anglo' in Israel.) I've made this very clear here.

When/if you move to Israel, particularly if you live in Judea, your neighbors may take exception to your belief that Israel has not made suicidal concessions over the last several years.

Gaza- for one- was a suicidal concession.

First off, I already live in Israel. I'm in North Carolina for a period of months.

Secondly, my neighbors in Judea don't think that Israel is in the process of dying as we speak. When people talk about "suicidal concessions," they're referring to things like:

1. Israel Dividing Jerusalem
2. Israel moving back to the '67 Cease Fire lines while forcing half a million Jews from their homes.
3. Israel allowing the 'right of return' so that 4 or 5 million Arabs would flood into Israel.

These are the Palestinian Authority's non-negotiable demands of Israel.

G-d forbid to all of them.

Were you the one who disagreed with me the other night when I said that Israel won't transfer Arabs out of the Holy Land as a way to resolve Israel's problems? I still don't think Israel will do this (and Israeli voters don't want it either - at least not in the near future.)

My neighbors know where I stand, but, as you know, roughly 75% of the "settlers" are women and children (not Kahanists which are a very, very small number.) Most settlers aren't the 'right wing extremists' that secular Jews in Israel like to taunt.

re: #134 Spare O'Lake

Could we have a bit more clarity about what is meant by a "viable and fair solution"?
Did the asshole mean a 2 state solution with a Pali state on the West Bank and Gaza with 1967 borders (approx.) including East Jerusalem and reliquishment of all Pali claims to the right of return? Or did he mean a single state solution including an end to the Jewish state?

What relinquishment of all Pali claims to the right of return?

Israel's enemies never agree to this.

They want 100% of their demands or else a one state solution that would bring an end to the Jewish state, G-d forbid.

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The entire negotiation structure needs to be changed.

As it stands now, you have two groups fighting solely for the wants of one group. The only disagreement between the parties is how they are going to get there. Its stupid. Israel's desires are not even at play. How the moronic governments of Israel have allowed themselves to get put into this predicament is beyond my comprehension.

Back at LGF for a while. Didn't want to go here at the new job yet. Also, I've been busy.
Not that they gave Veteran's Day off; a tree company hit a gas line and the building is evacuated. (If you live in Mass, don't use the gas company - I was there for 1/2 hr - 45 min, and they still hadn't shown up to shut off the gas! I think a personal nuclear plant would be safer, unless you're Homer Simpson.)

Anyway, I'm really getting conflicting signals from 0bama, with Emanuel as chief of staff, and Malley going to offer stuff to Arab countries.
Has the consensus here been that Malley really went, or that it is just rumors?
I wonder what Emanuel will do if 0bama does throw Israel to the Arab wolves.

re: #141 WrathofG-d

The entire negotiation structure needs to be changed.

As it stands now, you have two groups fighting solely for the wants of one group. The only disagreement between the parties is how they are going to get there. Its stupid. Israel's desires are not even at play. How the moronic governments of Israel have allowed themselves to get put into this predicament is beyond my comprehension.

I wonder how much pressure is being put on the Israeli government, since even Netanyahu said he'd continue peace talks after meeting with the "Quartet".

re: #135 stonewater

exactly my response to the Catholics who voted for Obama...the Freedom of Choice Act will be passed by congress and signed into law...and millions of pro-life Roman Catholics who voted for Obama will freak out.

hello? guys? I'm pro-choice but have lots of relatives who are hard core pro-lifer RCs and they all voted for Obama. I tried to talk to them about lots of things about Obama including abortion, but they simply refused to listen to even mildly expressed concerns.

They also refused to listen to my concerns about Obama's plan to slash military funding and research. My husband is military, and they all go on and on about how they "support the troops" etc. whatever. They support the troops just like they support "the unborn" and Israel.

re: #141 WrathofG-d

Israel's desires are not even at play.

This is an excellent point.

Israel's RIGHTS aren't at play either.

Israel only talks about security without focusing on the rights of the Jewish people and the rights of the sovereign nation of Israel.

According to Wikipedia, robert malley is Jewish.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Malley is a secular version of the neturi karta.

I heard the news today, oh boy...

A Bit Of Background On The Jews That Obama Is Surrounding Himself With (hint: They are of the Oslo, Peace Now mold.)

Mahmoud Abbas/Abu Mazen Laudes Terrorists and "Arafat's Legacy" (pay specific attention to the words he uses, and how they echo the 1970 Phased Plan)

Hamas Claims Secret Contact With Obama Before The Election & In The Present

Syria Launches Anti-Jewish-Jerusalem P.A. Satellite T.V. Station

Arabs Continue Their Attempts To Murder Israelis With Rocket Attacks; World Blames Israel For Not Providing The Fuel To Do So

re: #146 paybacktime

According to Wikipedia, robert malley is Jewish.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Malley is a secular version of the neturi karta.

His father Simon Malley was born to a Syrian family in Cairo and at an early age found his métier in political journalism. He participated in the wave of anti-imperialist and nationalist ideology that was sweeping the Third World. He wrote thousands of words in support of struggle against Western nations. In Paris, he founded the journal Afrique Asie; he and his magazine became advocates for "liberation" struggles throughout the world, particularly for the Palestinians.

Simon Malley loathed Israel and anti-Israel activism became a crusade for him-as an internet search would easily show. He spent countless hours with Yasser Arafat and became a close friend of Arafat. He was, according to Daniel Pipes, a sympathizer of the Palestinian Liberation Organization --- and this was when it was at the height of its terrorism wave against the West . His efforts were so damaging to France that President Valerie d'Estaing expelled him from the country.

Malley has seemingly followed in his father's footsteps: he represents the next generation of anti-Israel activism. Through his writings he has served as a willing propagandist, bending the truth (and more) to serve an agenda that is marked by anti-Israel bias; he heads a group of Middle East policy advisers for a think-tank funded (in part) by anti-Israel billionaire activist George Soros; and now is on the foreign policy staff of a leading Presidential contender. Each step up the ladder seems to be a step closer towards his goal of empowering radicals and weakening the ties between American and our ally Israel.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

This man used the descriptions "fight" and "battle" over and over in admiring the Palestinians. We in the U.S. need to take notes, because once "fight", "battle", "resistance", "struggle", etc. become a quality that is admired in the society, we can count on going down into the slime like the Palestinians have. There's nothing admirable about those words except during a temporary spell of needing to stand up, which does not apply in the U.S. at this point. Once people aren't hungry every day, then the words need to be "education", "achievement", "respect and honor", "duty", "hard work", "support of others (even if their roll of the dice luck gets them where they are... celebrate their fortune)".

I knew people like these guys at U.C.S.D. in the '70s who saw these confrontations as an end in themselves... that's what I'm worried about with a Pres. Obama.

There is a Peace Now group.

Where is there a Salaam Now group?

Where is a Muslims for Peace and Justice against rocket attacks, shootings, stabbings of Israelis, to demonstrate, block paleSWINIAN rocket factories, demonstrate against racist, fascist hamas suicide bomb rallies/schools/TV broadcasts?

There ain't any because any PaleSWINIAN who is against hamas, is put to death.

re: #143 Kosh's Shadow

I'm sure Israel is under immense pressure but that is only because those putting the pressure know that Israel will listen, while the other group will not. Israel is being manipulated!

Above all else, the United States (and other Countries) want any settlement agreement on the Arab/Israel conflict as they believe this will add stability to the region, and thus buffer their own interests. They do not care how insecure this makes Israel, nor how strong it make the Phakestinians. The actual facts on the ground do not matter as long as they get "stability". Thus,. they do whatever they can to get to that point. Israel and the United States are so concerned with creating a solution to the conflict that they are not paying attention to what that solution actually is. The World (including the U.S.) does not have Israel's security interest, or rights at heart, and Israel doesn't realize this.

The dynamic between the parties is often seen between siblings, and parents and children. The U.S. knows that no matter what it tells the Arabs, they won't listen. For over 60+ years they have made the same demands, and no matter how bad it gets for them, or how hopeless it gets, they do not move off their demands. If World and/or the United States threaten, the Arabs just push back, and threaten bigger. Israel however is willing to compromise and actually cares what the World and the U.S. think, and therefore, the U.S. uses this sensitivity against Israel. Again, Israel is being manipulated. She is working on behalf of the U.S., which is doing whatever it can to appease the Phakestinians/Arabs, and thus you end up in a situation wherein all parties are working for the desires of the Arabs. This is why the discussion is about how to create a Phakestinian State, and not if you should, or HOW you are going to help Israel's terretorial interests.

Bottom Line: Is that Israel needs to tell the U.S. to shove it.

re: #150 PayBackTime

There is a Peace Now group.

Where is there a Salaam Now group?

Where is a Muslims for Peace and Justice against rocket attacks, shootings, stabbings of Israelis, to demonstrate, block paleSWINIAN rocket factories, demonstrate against racist, fascist hamas suicide bomb rallies/schools/TV broadcasts?

There ain't any because any PaleSWINIAN who is against hamas, is put to death.

The Paliterrorists are for peace, but the Paliterrorist version of "peace" involves Jews only if they're dhimmis.

re: #145 Adina in Judea

This is a very serious, and pressing internal issue for Israel. The pride that created the state is gone. Instances like the "Disengagement" show that the Israeli Jews think of themselves as second class citizens of the world, and will allow their Rights as Human Beings to be trampled on for the sake of the others.

What they would never allow be done to the Arabs, they do to themselves.

re: #151 WrathofG-d

Yes, the Israelis do need to stand up for themselves.
But when even Netanyahu caves after one meeting, I wonder how much pressure is being raised? I mean things like removing all support at the UN and the international community, and allowing a much broader boycott of trade with Israel.

re: #154 Kosh's Shadow

You are probably right. But I do not believe Israel should accept it eitherway.

"Friendship" at what cost?

re: #138 Adina in Judea

What relinquishment of all Pali claims to the right of return?
Israel's enemies never agree to this.
They want 100% of their demands or else a one state solution that would bring an end to the Jewish state, G-d forbid.

Either Pres. Obama and/or his Arab friends get the Palis to back off on East Jerusalem + some of the West Bank and to relinquish the right of return (presumably by paying them off) or else Israel has to tell Pres. Obama no deal.
Of course if the Palis agree to give up the right of return, Israel will be squeezed very hard on East Jerusalem, but quite frankly the Palis are unlikely to put Israel's feet to the fire by giving up the right of return.
The bottom line is then the same as WOG's: Israel ends up telling Obama to shove it.

re: #153 WrathofG-d

re: #145 Adina in Judea

This is a very serious, and pressing internal issue for Israel. The pride that created the state is gone. Instances like the "Disengagement" show that the Israeli Jews think of themselves as second class citizens of the world, and will allow their Rights as Human Beings to be trampled on for the sake of the others.

What they would never allow be done to the Arabs, they do to themselves.

After the Vietnam War was finished, Arafat went to North Vietnam to ask how they were able to be seen as prevailing against a superpower. They told him that the key is to divide the public of the western country.

So, the "Palestinians" invented themselves as a people (an ancient people like the Jewish people) who longed for their ancient homeland (as the Jewish people have longed for our ancient homeland for thousands of years.)

They flipped Israel from being David in the David & Goliath story (i.e., the Arab-Israeli conflict) to becoming Goliath in the newly named Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Israel went from being a tiny nation in a sea of hundreds of millions of Arabs to being giants living next to a tiny pocket of a few "Palestinians."

It was all contrived and the world went for it. Israel has also bought into this by having leaders who also call the Arabs by the misnomer "Palestinians" and by acknowledging that they have a history and national rights as a people within the Jewish homeland (when they have neither.)

It's a bad situation but Fatah and Hamas have done their part to prove to the Israeli voting public that every attempt to try to give them anything at all results in terrorism and rockets being fired into Israel.

The opinion polls in Israel show that the people already get things that most of Israel's government isn't saying they get yet.

I'm encouraged every time I read these polls.

re: #158 Adina in Judea

We will have to see how they vote. But as Kosh's states above, even Bibi (who actually is not a Hawk if you look at his time as P.M.) has already accepted the American squeeze job.

When your choices are traitorous Al-Kadima, weak Labour, or soft Likud...

re: #158 Adina in Judea

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

re: #154 Kosh's Shadow

This cartoon pretty much sums it up

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

Of course if the Palis agree to give up the right of return, Israel will be squeezed very hard on East Jerusalem, but quite frankly the Palis are unlikely to put Israel's feet to the fire by giving up the right of return.

The "Palestinians" don't really want a state - they want Israel.

So they are very unlikely, indeed, to give up on the right of return.

Obama has been accused all year of being against Israel and he's spent all year denying it (while also hiring a Hebrew-speaking Modern Orthodox Jew with dual Israeli citizenship as his Chief of Staff after winning the election.) Even though Emanuel is an Oslo fan, as we know, Obama still sees it as necessary to try to show some level of pro-Israel credibility.

I don't think that what Obama has in mind for Israel will be quite as openly hostile as Jimmy Carter would want him to be - but his more subtle anti-Israel actions will be visible to most people, too.

I think someone like Bibi can counter these anti-Israel actions without overtly telling Obama to shove it. It's a matter of keeping Israel afloat over time.

So after Israel tells Pres. Obama to shove it, what will happen?
Will Obama cut off arms sales to Israel?
Will Obama boycott Israeli goods and services?
Will Obama supply Israel's enemies with superior armaments?
Maybe he will want to, but he'll need Congressional support to do so.
And Israel's nukes will deter Iran.
And Israel will be more isolated than ever but it will survive - it must.

re: #159 WrathofG-d

re: #158 Adina in Judea

We will have to see how they vote. But as Kosh's states above, even Bibi (who actually is not a Hawk if you look at his time as P.M.) has already accepted the American squeeze job.

When your choices are traitorous Al-Kadima, weak Labour, or soft Likud...

Bibi has spent over a decade trying to get back into the PM chair after his mistakes when he was in the PM chair earlier.

I don't think he wants to go through this again. If he makes the same mistakes, he would be in his 70s before getting another chance, probably.

Not that he wouldn't make NEW mistakes, but I think he has some other things in mind this time with the economic moves toward peace that he'd like to try.

It's better than wasting Israel's time spending year after year trying to decide how to divide up Israel (which is what Kadima has been doing.)

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

So after Israel tells Pres. Obama to shove it, what will happen?

Israel won't openly tell Obama to shove it. Israel can do a lot of other things that would require time.

It's also possible that a world war is coming as a result of Obama's election. The Jewish Bible predicted weapons of mass destruction 2500 years ago. The main things to watch in the near future are Israel's elections and necessary actions against Hamas.

re: #164 Adina in Judea

Israel won't openly tell Obama to shove it.

How about something like this:
BHO: Israel must agree to give up E.Jerusalem.
BN: Israel will not agree to that under any circumstances.
BHO: Israel must agree to repatriate and support 4,000,000 Palis.
BN: Not a chance, Mr. President. So, how about those White Sox?

re: #164 Adina in Judea

Israel won't openly tell Obama to shove it. Israel can do a lot of other things that would require time.

It's also possible that a world war is coming as a result of Obama's election. The Jewish Bible predicted weapons of mass destruction 2500 years ago. The main things to watch in the near future are Israel's elections and necessary actions against Hamas.

And it is said that Mashiach will come when the governments of the world are all heretical. Would anyone consider "black liberation enslavement theology" heretical?

"F" "F" PaleSWINE.

re: #132 Opinionated

They retain the right. They also force him to carry an Israeli passport to enter of leave Israel.

They grant an automatic deferment for short visits or to study in Israel. Usually for one year. If he stayed in Israel more then a year he would be subject to being drafted if he was of draft age.

I think they are a lot less aggressive about pursuing these issues than they once were. Today I doubt they are trying to conscript 30 year olds (Emanuel was about 32 when he did Sar-el), given that apparently many 18 year olds are draft dodging with no penalty.

I wouldn't think they could force him to use an Israeli passport, just a valid one! --but if you know otherwise, I'll take your word for it.

re: #165 Spare O'Lake

re: #164 Adina in Judea

Israel won't openly tell Obama to shove it.

How about something like this:
BHO: Israel must agree to give up E.Jerusalem.
BN: Israel will not agree to that under any circumstances.
BHO: Israel must agree to repatriate and support 4,000,000 Palis.
BN: Not a chance, Mr. President. So, how about those White Sox?

Those demands would result in war, though, so Bibi would be pressed by reality to find a way to smile at Obama while holding Israel together in spite of him.

re: #134 Spare O'Lake

Could we have a bit more clarity about what is meant by a "viable and fair solution"?
Did the asshole mean a 2 state solution with a Pali state on the West Bank and Gaza with 1967 borders (approx.) including East Jerusalem and reliquishment of all Pali claims to the right of return? Or did he mean a single state solution including an end to the Jewish state?
I can't tell what he meant - can anyone enlighten me?

When many diplomats and politicians discuss the conflict and say "we already know what the solution looks like," they are usually referring to something very similar to the end result of the Camp David talks (see Ross's The Missing Peace.) Under that scenario, Israel gives back about 97% of the original West Bank and makes up the rest with other land transfers. No right of return of Palestinians to Israel, but possibly limited numbers of Palestinians returning under "family reunification" (which has been done in the past), where Israel can vet or veto any particular "reunificatee." Unfortunately the Beilin/Geneva plan and Saudi plan have also become part of the lexicon. They are worse.

However, there is no way to know that this is what Malley is talking about. No one can tell what he meant. You'd have to see into his mind and heart. And not many of us here trust that.

re: #146 paybacktime

His father was apparently too left wing for the French. That tells you something right there.

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

So after Israel tells Pres. Obama to shove it, what will happen?
Will Obama cut off arms sales to Israel?
Will Obama boycott Israeli goods and services?
Will Obama supply Israel's enemies with superior armaments?
Maybe he will want to, but he'll need Congressional support to do so.
And Israel's nukes will deter Iran.
And Israel will be more isolated than ever but it will survive - it must.

And how about the coming blowback against Jewish citizens in the diaspora?

Britain & Europe have shown record-levels of public enmity, hostility, and violence towards neighbors of Jewish identitywhen the news coverage starts to depict Israel as:

1) the oppressor/rejecter/obstacle to justice / sovereignty for the Palestinian people;

2) resulting in being the instigator of terrorism locally &

3) the cause of American civilian terror casualties by Palestinian sympathizers, and

4) the blame for the Mid-East instability-caused, expensive gas prices;

5) the blame for the the Iraq War for Israel (resulting in suffering and spillage of American soldiers' blood; and Americans' having to burden the financial cost, economic crisis, and higher taxes).

Where will the good Jewish citizens of Western civilization turn when the harrassment and beatings of them and their children (increasingly done in Europe during the past few years) becomes too humiliating to countenance?

What refuge will materialistic American Jews find? Fleeing their motherland for an impoverished, handcuffed, and Islamic-nuclear-terror challenged Israel - extorted into a Mexican-Standoff with apocalyptic Iran and the known once-Muslim, Islamist-sympathist whom (denying incriminating evidence about him) they voted 3:1 to elect to lead the world - against their own interests.

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