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President Bush Regrets

Politics | Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:39:18 pm PST

After eight years in office, President George W. Bush is a beaten man: Bush: ‘I regret saying some things I shouldn’t have said’.

NEW YORK (CNN) — As his presidency nears its end, a reflective President Bush suggested Tuesday that he regrets some of his more blunt statements on the war on terrorism over the last eight years and said he wishes he had not spoken in front of a “Mission Accomplished” banner only a month after U.S. troops in Iraq were deployed.

President Bush says his wife told him that as president, he should watch his words carefully.

“I regret saying some things I shouldn’t have said,” Bush told CNN’s Heidi Collins when asked to reflect on his regrets over his two terms as president. “Like ‘dead or alive’ and ‘bring ‘em on.’ My wife reminded me that, hey, as president of the United States, be careful what you say.”

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1 laZardo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:41:07pm

I'll be honest...it was his "Bushisms" that actually made his 'gaffes' too funny to be offensive most of the time.

2 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:41:10pm

God Bless You President Bush.

Thank you.

3 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:41:21pm

Now he tells us!

4 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:41:52pm
5 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:07pm

That's OK, Chief. I still like you, and I've got your picture on my mantle, with your signed Christmas card. You did as well as a man could do, you played the hand you were dealt.

Regrets? everyone has them.

6 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:13pm

I'm going to miss President Bush.

7 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:23pm

If he's not worn out by the duties of the office, after 8 years, 2 wars, a recession, and various other trials and tribulations, he hasn't "left it all in the pool."

Good on him, that he's given it about all he had. It still wasn't that great a term. But we should be glad if the next 8 years aren't worse.

8 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:25pm

re: #1 laZardo

I'll be honest...it was his "Bushisms" that actually made his 'gaffes' too funny to be offensive most of the time.

That and he wasn't defensive about them. He even found humor in his own stumblings.

9 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:28pm
10 jetprop  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:38pm

I appreciate President Bush's service to our country.

11 non-lib Nina  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:46pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

I'm going to miss President Bush.

Me too.

12 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:42:50pm

Someday, very soon, we are going to appreciate that man... and wish he was back.

13 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:05pm

And now I must leave........Tomorrow.

14 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:08pm

The MSM was probably hoping for something much more juicier.

Here's hoping president-elect 0bama will be twice as beaten a man in half the time.

15 RedWhiteAndJew  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:17pm

More than a litmus test on creationism, I think the capacity to feel regret is a good test for POTUS...not to mention the capacity to express it publicly.

Think about how rare that it, nowadays.

16 sadhu  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:24pm

he seems like a deer in headlights these days

17 Charles  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:29pm

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

18 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:31pm

It takes a strong man to admit to mistakes. For all his faults, he is a decent man who protected this country in our time of need.

Thank you, President Bush.

19 jetprop  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:43:42pm

re: #11 non-lib Nina

Me too.

Ditto.

20 The Other Les  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:44:01pm

There's no shortage of assholes who have "NOTHING ACCOMPLISHED" bumper stickers on their car.

Anyone who believes that nothing was accomplished by this administration is willfully ignoring reality.

21 AmericanMe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:44:43pm

He was given a raw deal. I like him, always have, always will and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

22 Jack Reacher  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:44:51pm
“Like ‘dead or alive’ and ‘bring ‘em on.’


I vastly preferred those to "Islam is a religion of peace," or "hijacked by a few fanatics."

23 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:45:07pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

I didn't think of it like that. You're right. Why regret saying we wanted osama dead or alive?

24 Bobibutu  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:45:10pm

re: #12 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Someday, very soon, we are going to appreciate that man... and wish he was back.

Some may slip up now and again and even have a kind word for Cheney - who I think was stellar.

25 ShoreMark  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:45:11pm

I didn't read the CNN link, I learned long ago that watching/reading them is an exercise in futility. But, if I make a big assumption that they quoted his "regrets" accurately, I find that a bit depressing, as I thought those quotes were high points in his administration.

26 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:45:29pm

re: #17 Charles


So be it. Sitting with the 'cool kids' is overrated...

27 so.cal.swede  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:45:33pm

i think the problem with the comments weren't the words themselves, it was what the anti-bush media turned them into.

28 Salem  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:46:08pm

"10,000 dead in Kansas!"

29 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:46:12pm

re: #17 Charles

I always felt that Bush didn't go far enough, but I gave him the slack to do his job.

30 mama winger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:46:32pm

Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe. No President should have to face what you did, ever again.

You weren't perfect - no man is. But I never doubted that you loved your country, that you loved your family, that you loved the troops.

You are a man of grace and kindness, Never was there a hint of scandal, never was there an unkind word or a harsh gesture. You brought the Oval Office dignity and honor. Thank you, Mr. President.

31 Charles  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:46:51pm
32 formercorpsman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:46:56pm

Time will tell. I stick by my ominous feelings for the future.

I can say this, if it is a toss up between saying some things too strongly, or kicking ass after 911?

Fire in the hole.

33 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:47:36pm

re: #2 jcm

God Bless You President Bush.

Thank you.

Well said, I agree. And in about 15-25 years, so will the world.

34 laZardo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #8 jcm

That's what I like about Republicans at least. They at least know how to laugh at themselves.

35 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:48:11pm
“I regret saying some things I shouldn’t have said,”

''

". . . such as my talk with Barack 0bama recently."

36 little boomer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:48:46pm

Dead or Alive. Worked- and works for me.

37 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:48:50pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me. Isn't that lovely?

That's what I meant in my comment above...re: #3 Walter L. Newton...That' seemed to slide past everyone.

38 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:48:51pm

re: #32 formercorpsman

Nobody's ever won a war by making it too easy on the Enemy. Yet that is exactly what we have been doing almost from the start.

39 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:48:59pm

re: #31 Charles

Yeah, I was just having the same thought.

40 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:14pm

After being beaten by his adversaries incessantly for any Leader like things he said after 9/11 he is now showing signs of Stockholm syndrome at the thought of his pending release.

41 HelloDare  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:14pm

He should have done what Obama does: denied he made any of the statements.

42 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:17pm

I just think we all misunderestimated him.

43 formercorpsman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:20pm

re: #38 Iron Fist

You know it brother.

44 legalpad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:25pm

What lingers for me from the Bush administration is the amount of control that the old media has over public opinion, even world opinion. This past election, they essentially selected both candidates for the American public. Now, they are trying to bar Sarah Palin from running. However she may qualify or disqualify herself, it is clear that the old media considers it their prerogative to tell us who we can, and cannot, consider for public office. I believe that the major thrust of conservative political efforts should be more control of the media.

45 Sunlight  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:29pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

I still support the things he said and bless his heart for having the courage to say them. If we act weak, we will be run over by the world. I get the feeling that this response has been so successful that the original time right after the towers came down is getting a golden glow to it. It was awful and he did the right thing (for eight years!).

46 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:30pm
President George W. Bush is a beaten man

I do not see this, at all.


And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

And this, even less.

47 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:34pm

If the Devils redesigned their uniforms they would have a new New Jersey jersey.

48 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:46pm

That is messed up. Why would any President regret saying he wanted the mastermind of the largest mass murder on American soil dead or alive?

Why would you regret that?

49 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:49:58pm

The left and media (redundant I know) flat our lied about the "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner.

Mission Accomplished was the ships banner celebrating the completion of an extra long deployment.

The WH did provide the banner as the ship could not produce it themselves.

Don't apologizes for the lies of other Mr. President.

50 talon_262  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:50:02pm

I think, all things considered, Bush did as well as he could have in a lot of things, such as national defense and taxes. Although I certainly disagree with him in other areas, such as border security and his role in this bailout crap, I certainly respect the man, which is more than I can say about Dear Leader. In his case, I still respect the office, even if the man that will occupy it isn't fit to.

51 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:50:21pm

re: #33 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Well said, I agree. And in about 15-25 years, so will the world.

I certainly don't agree with everything Bush did, but I think the history books will be much kinder to him than his contemporaries.

52 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:50:21pm

It feels good to say Thank You, President Bush, on Veterans day. Fitting, I guess.

53 jetprop  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:50:23pm

re: #36 little boomer

I didn't have a problem with it..

54 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:50:36pm

Anyone that never has regrets over their words or actions is someone I would never trust to do anything, especially be a leader. I won't mention any names, thank you very much.

55 Sol Roth  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:50:38pm

The man has given what he had to protect all of us. A bunch of kooks spent eight years hating their fathers and themselves through him. The Fifth Column media did everything it could to destroy him and our war efforts, but permanently destroyed their credibility in the process.

He's aged terribly and appears to have some sort of neurological problem with his lower jaw. Yet, he only blames himself for a few unguarded utterances that had no meaningful importance, except to the cynical, lunatic fringe.

Stop it Sir. You projected power into a hideous vacuum that brought safety to our nation and fear to our enemies. Ignore the mewling, id-dominated simpletons and come back to Texas where you're more than welcome as a respected leader and fellow citizen.

56 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:05pm
57 Maximu§  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:11pm

I would hope President Bush also regrets not defending the Haditha Marines accused of a massacre by that POS Murtha. He and Rumsfeld let them be thrown to the dogs.

58 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:37pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

That is messed up. Why would any President regret saying he wanted the mastermind of the largest mass murder on American soil dead or alive? Why would you regret that?

Well, that's what I was trying to point out in re: #3 Walter L. Newton and Charles makes the same point, even better, but it doesn't seem to stick.

59 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:47pm

Those who have no regrets have no accomplishments either, in my experience.

60 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:47pm

Blunt was good.

What was bad was the $4 trillion tack on to the national debt.

I'd love to hear some contrition on that one. My kids would too, seeing that they will be paying for it.

/I have been quiet on this objection for some time, but Bush's time is at an end and it is time to set the priorities for our next standard bearer.

61 tripletdad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:51pm

I wish the Republicans showed a little more strength and backbone. For an old guy, Reagan really stood tall and didn't take any crap. Remember when Republicans had a spine?

62 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:51:53pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

The worst is that Osama's been pushing up Daisy-cutters in Tora Bora for the last six years or so. He's dead, but no one stepped on the body, so he'll always be alive in the imaginations of those who want him to be.

63 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:52:09pm

As President, whatever you say, it is important to project strength.

I wouldn't express regrets while still in office.

64 Macker  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:52:17pm

re: #47 Moe Katz

Um...wouldn't that also apply to the Nets as well?

65 mama winger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:52:33pm

re: #62 Iron Fist

The worst is that Osama's been pushing up Daisy-cutters in Tora Bora for the last six years or so. He's dead, but no one stepped on the body, so he'll always be alive in the imaginations of those who want him to be.

Good. Let Obama pretend to find him. When he can't we can whine about it.

66 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:52:38pm

While I can understand Bush's regret at giving the leftards the ammo with those lines, I'm quite sure they would have found other ways to skewer him, if he'd used other words. I miss President Bush already...it's like the Cipher has already taken over, the way the media is portraying things. Shocker, I know.

In the words of Hank The Deuce, Henry Ford II, who knew a little about dealing with a hostile leftist press in trying times: "Never complain, never explain." Bush doesn't need to explain himself to me. To the Haters, nothing he could possibly say will mollify them. Why bother?

67 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:52:47pm

re: #48 Sharmuta

That is messed up. Why would any President regret saying he wanted the mastermind of the largest mass murder on American soil dead or alive?

Why would you regret that?

I think it is the *cowboy* image, Sharmuta, that he wishes he had avoided.

68 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:53:46pm

re: #31 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Bandar can kiss my lily white ass.

69 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:53:52pm

That just makes me really sad. Why would he regret that? Why would any President regret expressing a passionate resolve to bring justice for our American dead? That's his job.

70 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:53:54pm

re: #31 Charles

Yep. Not OK in the real world outside Texas.

71 Maximu§  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:53:56pm

Bush expressed regret that Republican presidential nominee John McCain did not win the presidency but called the election of Obama "good for our country."

Another Bush statement that makes no sense....theres been so many, I lost count.

72 formercorpsman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:53:58pm

re: #38 Iron Fist

To be honest, I can gather you think like I do.

I don't know if we will ever have the stomach to fight another war like we did in WW2 again. (As a nation, that is)

The one thing I wanted, in the wake of 911 was retribution.

I wanted terrorists running like cockroaches once they realized the cover of darkness was still not enough for a C130 gunship with night optics.

I think more has been done than we'll ever know, perhaps for the best.

In many ways, we fell into the same trap in Iraq, as we did in Veitnam. We tried to win the media in concert with the war.

73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:01pm

If someone had said on September 12th, 2001 that over seven years would come and go and 9-11 would the only terrorist attack in the USA, we'd have all said they were nuts.

That will be his legacy.

For all his mistakes, he kept us safe.

And that, my friends, is no coincidence.

74 joncelli  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:17pm

I suspect he didn't see the reaction to these words coming. The elites were horrified by this level of bluntness. We liked these statements but the people in a position to damage him didn't. They made him pay and he took the blows. I agree, though, that he is broken, the breaking point being the 2006 elections. This is why I think presidents should be limited to one 6-year term -- they're simply useless after the sixth year.

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:38pm

re: #67 Wishing

I think it is the *cowboy* image, Sharmuta, that he wishes he had avoided.

Personally never had one hint or whit of problem with the "cowboy" image. I do have lots of problems with the "Joe Cool" image.

76 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:46pm

re: #32 formercorpsman

Time will tell. I stick by my ominous feelings for the future.

I can say this, if it is a toss up between saying some things too strongly, or kicking ass after 911?

Fire in the hole.

I second that.

77 gooddad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:51pm

President Bush was a victim of Alinsky rule #13

Alinsky Rule 13:. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

He was hammered daily for anything he did.

'Bring it on' and 'Dead or alive' fit the times.

78 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:54pm

re: #67 Wishing

Why? It's a good image at least to pro-Americans. Anti-Americans aren't going to cut him any slack no matter how many times he falls on his sword. Fuck 'em.

79 laZardo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:54:56pm

re: #73 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

"Because his Patriot Act scared the American people so much that the terrorists didn't need to attack America again!"

///////////////////////////////////

80 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:55:06pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

I think this is the first time I've felt the need to downding one of your posts, Charles.

His expressing mild regret for a few words is hardly some Grand Betrayal.

Let's not come down with BDS here. Not now, not after all this.

81 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:55:21pm

re: #69 Sharmuta

It pissed off the moderates, whom he has always courted.
My Mother in Law (who voted for Dole back in '92) called him a "cowboy" for it.
She never liked him ever since.

82 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:55:30pm

re: #79 laZardo

"Because his Patriot Act scared the American people so much that the terrorists didn't need to attack America again!"

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Not enough slashies, laZardo.
;)

83 bosforus  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:55:36pm

My hat's off to ya, President Bush, and I'm proud of you for your 8 years of service to the country I love!

OT
Bwahaha, thank you The Onion!
The real Barack Obama finally exposed.
International Con Man Barack Obama Leaves U.S. With $85 Million In Campaign Fundraising

84 Charles  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:00pm

re: #80 Occasional Reader

I think this is the first time I've felt the need to downding one of your posts, Charles.

His expressing mild regret for a few words is hardly some Grand Betrayal.

Let's not come down with BDS here. Not now, not after all this.

It's not me who's surrendering.

85 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:11pm

I can see regretting the "mission accomplished" thing. But not for wanting Justice for the American people.

86 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:19pm

Thank you for all you did to keep us safe and to bring destruction to the enemies of free people, Mr. President.

I hope you have the will remaining to deter the Iranian bomb program, or to support Israel as she does what needs to be done.

87 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:42pm

re: #71 Maximu§

Bush expressed regret that Republican presidential nominee John McCain did not win the presidency but called the election of Obama "good for our country."

Another Bush statement that makes no sense....theres been so many, I lost count.

Again, he's trying to curry favor with people who wouldn't piss on him, if he was on fire. Why bother?

88 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:46pm

re: #78 Iron Fist

Why? It's a good image at least to pro-Americans. Anti-Americans aren't going to cut him any slack no matter how many times he falls on his sword. Fuck 'em.

Hey I LOVED that quote! I am trying to understand the apology as well.

89 Elcid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:52pm

The Left despised Bush immediately after, as 'they' say, his "selection". George Bush, wasn't a media boy plain and simple. My only problem with GWB is, he didn't adopt the William Tecumseh Sherman method of warfare in Iraq.

Then again, that approach may have been totally inappropriate. 9/11/01, enraged millions and millions and millions, saying things under those circumstances, is totally forgivable.

The Left and the media (redundant) have their star now and he won't regret a damn thing. He knows all.

90 captain joe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:56:56pm

Geez Chief, I always thought your words were to the point. There's nothing wrong with a little mustard. Don't take back one of them. I relish those words. As John Wayne used to say, "Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness". Oh, thanks to you and Laura for the birthday card for my father-in-law. It raised his spirits before he died.

91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:57:05pm

I doubt any one of us here can even begin to imagine the level of hatred the man has had to undergo for the last 8 years, domestically and internationally. I doubt I would have been able to bear up under the weight as GWB has.

92 laZardo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #82 gmsc

I'd have gone all the way, but that would probably exceed the soon-to-be-state-allocation of sarc slashes that I already have to pare down to include fees to wire them over here. [;

93 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:57:19pm

Look at the bright side, people. We've got a new president who won't regret anything, regardless of what happens!

94 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:57:29pm

re: #84 Charles

It's not me who's surrendering.

What "surrendering"?

95 armytramp  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:57:47pm

President Bush is a good and decent man, and I do not regret voting for him.

96 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:27pm

re: #71 Maximu§

No, I agree with Bush here. The country has gotten itself in a stupid place and the election of Obama will be a corrective. In some ways it would have been worse for McCain to have won. (I said some ways.) Then the charges of racism and bitterness and maybe riots would have flown. Now we will see, if Obama is less than stellar, that we should actually pay attention to the content of character not color of skin. And we will now be able to disabuse ourselves of a lot of notions when we see that they don't really work out so well in practice.

97 AmericanMe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:28pm

re: #83 bosforus


OT
Bwahaha, thank you The Onion!
The real Barack Obama finally exposed.
International Con Man Barack Obama Leaves U.S. With $85 Million In Campaign Fundraising

It would be funny if it weren't so close to the truth.

98 Adrenalyn  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:39pm

I hope he regrets letting America fall to obama and the radical socialists because he refused to stand up to them and their associates in the media

I wonder if he regrets giving up after the 2004 election and the fake CBS story on his guard service.

That must have really hurt him and I think he flat gave up after that.

His handling of the 3/2000 Clinton recession was hall-of-fame worthy
ditto for 9/11 handling

but on handing over America to internal enemies, he did not even reach for the ball.

99 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #35 gmsc

''

". . . such as my talk with Barack 0bama recently."

Not at all. What is said behind closed doors between Presidents should stay there. Bush shouldn't take the blame because Obama still thinks this is the "Young College Democrats Club" and can't keep his mouth shut. Seriously, the training wheels are going to be on long past January. First the Nancy comment, now this. What next? "We will invade Pakistan tomorrow! Oops... never mind...." Come on already. At this rate SNL will have enough material for a lifetime.

100 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:42pm

re: #72 formercorpsman

100%. Nothing succeeds like success. We should have made victory job one, without all of the sack-cloth and ashes appologies to the Religion of Peace. We should have left the name of Operation Infinite Justice alone.

When we changed that just to spare the feelings of the Mohammedans, we began to lose our moral clarity. As if we owed them any consideration.

101 Promethea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:51pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

Good point. I liked that he showed spunk. Now he's repudiating it. Too bad. :-(

102 rollingdivision  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:53pm

Bush was treated as an illegitimate president from the 2000 election to now. And the Bush haters feel justified in their hateful treatment of Bush. They believe their sort of consuming hatred is a normal good basis to deal with others. They seem to enjoy and even love their hatred.

103 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:58:56pm

As much as Dubbya stinks, I'm going to miss him.

104 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:09pm

re: #60 karmic_inquisitor

Blunt was good.

What was bad was the $4 trillion tack on to the national debt.

I'd love to hear some contrition on that one. My kids would too, seeing that they will be paying for it.

/I have been quiet on this objection for some time, but Bush's time is at an end and it is time to set the priorities for our next standard bearer.

Not a dime gets spent without congressional approval. But he should have used the veto a hell of a lot more than he did.

105 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:14pm

re: #78 Iron Fist

Why? It's a good image at least to pro-Americans. Anti-Americans aren't going to cut him any slack no matter how many times he falls on his sword. Fuck 'em.

...with a rusty old plowshare.

106 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:31pm

re: #62 Iron Fist

The worst is that Osama's been pushing up Daisy-cutters in Tora Bora for the last six years or so. He's dead, but no one stepped on the body, so he'll always be alive in the imaginations of those who want him to be.

In a couple of years the "Hunt for Bin Ladin's Body" will be a hit show for the History Channel.

107 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:36pm

re: #81 rawmuse

I agree with Charles' take- they wore him down. All of them. Bastards- no President should regret wanting Justice for our people after 9/11 and speaking bluntly for it. He said what I wanted to hear. I don't give a rat's ass about the cowboy image. I'm far from a cowboy and I would have said the same thing.

108 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:51pm

re: #85 Sharmuta

I can see regretting the "mission accomplished" thing. But not for wanting Justice for the American people.

He should regret not using his power to tell the people of this country the significance of the "Mission Accomplished" sign. Not that he stood in front of it.

109 Promethea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:53pm

Question to all LGFers . . .

Do people still do winkies, or is that out of style now? Pls. advise.

110 shanec99  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 7:59:59pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

It takes a strong man to admit to mistakes. For all his faults, he is a decent man who protected this country in our time of need.

Thank you, President Bush.


Shar... I believe that he did the best he could do. People may disagree with him, question his judgment and even hate him, but I don't believe for one moment that all his actions were not taken with the nation's interests as his priority.

May God protect him. He is a good man.

111 Radar  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:00:15pm

There were a lot of things I didn't agree with him on. There were times I wished he acted and governed as more of a Republican. Heck there were times I wanted to scream and throw things at the TV about him.

But...I have always respected him, felt he took on the most difficult job in the world at our most difficult time to date and did so with respect, duty, honor, a sense of humor, and the ability to stand above it all and keep his cool.

The things that people have said about this man, even with his faults, were so far beyond the pale of rational political discourse and full of vile hatred and bile that Bush deserves a huge national apology from the Democratic Party and the Left.

And he won't get it.

He didn't deserve the blame for most of the things he was blamed for and he didn't get credit (or take credit) for most of the good things he did.

George, you were a good and decent man and I salute your service to this country.

Thank you.

112 laZardo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:00:38pm

Gotta whoosh off to college now. Cheers.

113 Hobbes  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:00:39pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

Yeah. What stupid things to say.

114 Charles  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:01:05pm

I'm going to bow out of this discussion. I'm very very disappointed in these statements, and I should probably just keep it to myself.

115 Sunlight  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:01:12pm

re: #95 armytramp

President Bush is a good and decent man, and I do not regret voting for him.

I think he is now trying to make for a very smooth transition so that we aren't so distracted that we are open to an attack.

116 bosforus  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:01:19pm

re: #109 Promethea

Question to all LGFers . . .

Do people still do winkies, or is that out of style now? Pls. advise.

I do (T)winkies almost every day for the ride home for work. I'm always disappointed when I eat them both before the first freeway change.

117 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:01:22pm

So as to properly defend bluntness -

Peace Making and Diplomacy has been dominated in recent decades with the notion that one must be as diffusive as possible and engage in painting shades of grey so as to neither create antagonism nor polarize a situation. Such an approach preserves peace by legitimizing all actors involved in a potential conflict, giving them a voice that they might have to use violence to otherwise procure.

That has been (and still is) the theory.

Al Qaeda was not a group trying to procure a voice. They were an exterminating unit. Bluntness and polarization were exactly what was needed to get people to "disarm" Al Qaeda by completely delegitimizing their claim of a right to exist. Any other words would have "given them voice" without seeing them ever abandon violence.

We know this about Islamists. Blunt is not only appropriate - it is an existential necessity.

That Bush is now conceding to the appeasers is a bit stunning.

118 the_flying_pig  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:01:32pm

You did what you had to say honestly, not bluntly, Mr. President. You spoke up from the guts. Some people used weasel words with half-heartedness when making "bold" statements to the world and the ignominious world press.

119 Maximu§  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:01:46pm

re: #67 Wishing

I think it is the *cowboy* image, Sharmuta, that he wishes he had avoided.

I liked that tough talking Cowboy and I'm sure our enemies worried more then they do now.

120 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:02:08pm

The comment that stands out most was "We're going to go on a crusade." Not the words to say when you're talking about Muslims.

121 ctrlL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:02:23pm

re: #44 legalpad

SNIP ... I believe that the major thrust of conservative political efforts should be more control of the media.

I think that is exactly what our new dear leader has in mind ----- through the Fairness Doctrine.

/be careful what you wish for

122 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:02:30pm

re: #91 FurryOldGuyJeans

I doubt any one of us here can even begin to imagine the level of hatred the man has had to undergo for the last 8 years, domestically and internationally. I doubt I would have been able to bear up under the weight as GWB has.

Which is why I have said that we need to pray for him.

And, I am really going to go out on a limb here.
We will all need to pray for Barack Obama too.
We will need to pray that he governs wisely.
If not, then we all "haven't got a prayer".

123 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:02:41pm

re: #95 armytramp

I don't regret that he was President. He was better than those two oxygen thieves, Gore and Kerry. But he should have remembered we didn't start this war. we could have finished it by now, but we've tried too damn hard to spare the enemy the hard consequences of his actions.

That was a mistake.

124 kaymad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:03:13pm

He kept us safe after our 9-11 wake-up call. After 9-11 I think that was his obsession and everything else fell by the way side. Lets hope President Bush has put into place everything the next President needs to continue this, even if the incoming administration isn't as vigilant as Bush has been. I'm afraid the democrats think we are on yet another holiday from history.

125 legalpad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #114 Charles

I'm very very disappointed in these statements,

Of course. He let the media persuade him.

126 obscured by clouds  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:03:28pm

I really think the world of President Bush. He's a good man who's done his best. History will be very kind to him. I know that when we get a healthy dose of his successor, more people than me will miss him.

127 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:03:52pm

he should regret his religion of peace crap and his sucking up to the fraudi's crap

128 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:04:00pm

re: #102 rollingdivision

They seem to enjoy and even love their hatred.

Besides that and Mt Dew, what else do they have?

129 ciaospirit  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:04:02pm

I regret that Bush regrets.

130 LoFlyer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:04:02pm

My greatest regret was Bush calling Islam "the religion of peace" and we knew it was a lie when he stated it. When the cartoon riots only reinforced this opinion that Islam is a perversion of "the religion peace", an Islamo-whipped media went into full denial of the events thus reinforcing Bush's "religion of peace" theory. (It remains to be scientifically proven)

131 mama winger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:04:24pm

One thing's for sure. There's no comparison between our current First Lady and the incoming one.

132 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:04:58pm

re: #95 armytramp

President Bush is a good and decent man, and I do not regret voting for him.

As a "9-11 Republican," I will always have that cross to bear, of having voted for Gore in 2000. I do my penance, but I fear there will be some cosmic retribution anyway. I did everything I could for Bush in '04, and McCain this year. Maybe The Cipher's win was the retribution. If so, it will bring more pain than we all deserve. I should do more penance, maybe.

133 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:05:00pm

Wanted- dead or alive. The murders of 9/11

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

These people deserve Justice. I don't regret wanting that.

134 gman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:05:15pm

Groups with their emphasis on consensus have a way of beating individuals into mindless submission.

When you feel like the whole world is against you (even though it is for the most part a complete fabrication), you begin to doubt yourself and I think that is what we are seeing here.

135 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:05:16pm

What you should regret, Mr. President, is not the words you chose, but the bills you did not veto.

(If you were trying to hoard your political capital for the war, you squandered it anyway.)

136 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:05:32pm

OT: Is Obama Testing The Waters?

A reader is part of the Zogby International polling group--and tells me that he just received this list of questions from Zogby. Note that this was after the election. One possibility is that Obama's staff is trying to figure out which measures they can propose without impairing Obama's popularity. If these are actually measures that Obama is considering, then an awful lot of Americans were indeed profoundly misled about what Obama stands for during the campaign. The 75% excise tax on firearms in particular would devastate the industry, and strongly discourage new firearms purchases.

The other possibility is that Republicans are trying to figure out which issues to use against Obama--but some of these proposals are so extreme and specific that it seems to suggest the first possibility. On the other hand, some of the questions almost read like Republican push polling:

If you knew Barack Obama supported a plan to place a 75% excise tax on the sale of firearms - where a $500 rifle would now cost $875 with tax, would that have made you...

More likely to vote for Obama
Less likely to vote for Obama
No difference
Not sure

If you knew about Barack Obama's support for national legislation that would overturn concealed carry handgun laws in 40 states, would that have made you...
More likely to vote for Obama
Less likely to vote for Obama
No difference
Not sure


If you knew about Barack Obama's support for Congressional legislation that would overturn abortion restrictions, such as parental notification, gender selection abortions and requiring doctors to have local hospital certificates when performing abortions, would that have made you..?
More likely to vote for Obama
Less likely to vote for Obama
No difference
Not sure


If you knew Barack Obama supports repealing legislation that currently prevents non-government organizations, which receive federal funding, from providing abortions in other nations, such as China where coercive abortions are performed based on the gender of the fetus, would that make you...
More likely to vote for Obama
Less likely to vote for Obama
No difference
Not sure


If you knew about Barack Obama's support for a tax plan that would raise the top tax rate on individuals to 56% when social security taxes are included, would that have made you...
More likely to vote for Obama
Less likely to vote for Obama
No difference
Not sure

There are more questions - read the whole thing.

137 bosforus  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:05:32pm

re: #131 mama winger

One thing's for sure. There's no comparison between our current First Lady and the incoming one.

I'd love to be the meteorologist who suggests Hurricane Michelle for every hurricane next year.

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:05:55pm

I wish I had 0.000001% of the strength of character that GWB has shown over the last 8 years.

139 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:06:04pm

re: #84 Charles

It's not me who's surrendering.

In this interview, Bush is being as gracious towards Obama as you have been in your threads lately.

He's smiling in the interview and he shows a lot of class.

Why do you see him as "surrendering?"

140 theblakester  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:06:24pm

I wish we could get the same admissions from the press.

141 mama winger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:06:30pm

re: #136 gmsc

75% excise tax on the sale of firearms

WHAT ?!?

142 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:06:51pm

re: #131 mama winger

That's the truth. I'm very much afraid that before this is all said and done we're going to regreat that Hillary didn't win. And I hate Hillary.

143 nyc redneck  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:06:58pm

i did not like to see pres. bush soften his stance as time went on.
i so respected his tuff talk after 9-11.
"smoke em out of their holes" was language the terrorists can understand.

144 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:01pm

re: #114 Charles

In respect for you, I will do likewise.

145 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:18pm

Imagine that you are Bush for a moment, having to prosecute a war on several fronts in Islamic lands, and simultaneously having to placate the Saudis to keep our energy supply stable, just so we could drive our cars and keep our planes in the air for a few more years.

We asked him to gargle the very balls of Beelzebub, and he did it, for us.

146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:32pm

re: #98 Adrenalyn

I hope he regrets letting America fall to obama and the radical socialists because he refused to stand up to them and their associates in the media

I wonder if he regrets giving up after the 2004 election and the fake CBS story on his guard service.

That must have really hurt him and I think he flat gave up after that.

His handling of the 3/2000 Clinton recession was hall-of-fame worthy
ditto for 9/11 handling

but on handing over America to internal enemies, he did not even reach for the ball.

The "Bully Pulpit" is not what it once was, especially when the MSM detests you. Now, when BOzo takes over, the bully pulpit will be restored.

147 bcgirl  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:38pm

Thank you President Bush ,( and Mrs. Bush) will be remebered fondly by me and I think eventually by history too.

148 Hobbes  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:43pm

re: #113 Hobbes

Yeah. What stupid things to say.

And by stupid things to say I mean his regrets for saying them. What he should be regretting is his attitude towards immigration, reaching over the aisle to the left for almost everything, not speaking directly to the American people for his support more often and spending so damn much tax payers money trying to curry favor with the opposition.

His approach to 9/11 and the war was admirable. There should be no regrets there.

149 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:53pm

re: #126 obscured by clouds

I really think the world of President Bush. He's a good man who's done his best. History will be very kind to him. I know that when we get a healthy dose of his successor, more people than me will miss him.

I don't disagree for the most part.

But why punt now?

Is his presidential library in need of funds?

His whole shtick was "stand your ground and let history judge." we have all actually paid dearly for that to some extent - he never got out and took on his critics and issued them the body blows they were very much in need of. So he has decided (for whatever reason) to throw them a bone instead.

The New Left is not altogether different from Al Qaeda - they will see Bush's modest regret as weakness and sharpen their attacks.

150 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:07:55pm

I'd rather have a blunt outspoken President then some slime-ball like Slick Willy who lies about everything. I also think this is the same reason most Dems despise him. He says what he thinks, not what you want to hear like Bill.

151 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:00pm

I would be scared if I agreed with any President 100% of the time. Sure I can list a dozen or so things about Bush's presidency that I disagree with. But these disagreements are not about things that make me fear for my safety or for the integrity of the country. He had a very hard and difficult situation thrust at him and reacted with valor. Bush has done well.

152 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:10pm

re: #114 Charles

I'm going to bow out of this discussion. I'm very very disappointed in these statements, and I should probably just keep it to myself.

I think Dubya's just in a bit of a down mood these days, given his horrible poll-ratings, and the big spanking for the GOP last week. I think he'll recover his naturally upbeat spirits, in due time. I'm hoping I will, too.

153 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:18pm
154 legalpad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:20pm

re: #121 ctrlL

I think that is exactly what our new dear leader has in mind ----- through the Fairness Doctrine.

/be careful what you wish for

Ah, well, I see your /, but just to be sure, I think we all know I wasn't "wishing" for non-conservatives to get (future tense) control of the media. They obviously already have it, and have always been trying to absolutely silence conservatives. My recommendation, my "wish", if you will, is for conservatives to get more control of the media. And Mr. 0 is not the leader of the conservative movement.

155 neocon hippie  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:37pm

I have a feeling that with all that may well go down in the next four years, that even some lefties will look back upon the Bush era with wistful fondness.

156 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:42pm

I will miss President and Mrs. George W. Bush.

PLEASE DON'T GO!

157 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:08:48pm

I agree Bush said some incorrect things, especially when he said there should be a Palestinian state alongside Israel, without referring to Jordan as the Arab state,

158 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:01pm

re: #136 gmsc

Obama was profoundly misleading during the campaign. I think he's going to make gun control his number 2 priority, right behind raising taxes.

159 LoFlyer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:09pm

re: #137 bosforus

I'd love to be the meteorologist who suggests Hurricane Michelle for every hurricane next year.

Saw a small poster of the "first family" yesterday at the receptionists desk and it was "picture perfect"! A lot of effort is being put into proaganda by the Obama crowd and 'me work mates are happily drinking the kool-aid!

160 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:16pm

Barack Obama shot the bird at Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

President George W. Bush has an infinite amount of class and grace compared to the guy who will be sitting in his office towards the end of January.

161 J.S.  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:19pm

This isn't the first time that GW Bush has expressed regrets for how he has spoken. It's the words he regrets speaking -- not actions/deeds. (I don't think Bush is "arrogant" -- as has been claimed over and over by the hostile MSM...who's incredibly arrogant (imo) is the president-elect...) I have noticed also that Bush looks very, very tired (exhausted), and I have the impression that he can't wait to leave office..(he's had an extremely rough tenure as President.)

162 Promethea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:20pm

re: #120 logboy

The comment that stands out most was "We're going to go on a crusade." Not the words to say when you're talking about Muslims.

And yet, after 9/11 I learned a lot about the Crusades, especially on LGF. Knowing what I now know about jihad, the Crusades were actually more civilized.

Check it out. Read Andrew Boston's The Legacy of Jihad. It will make you sick.

163 wolfie  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:21pm

re: #111 Radar

Well said.

And one more thing. Bush's administration was probably the least corrupt in the post Civil War era. A predatory media, salivating for any provable crime or miniscule infraction, sucking out leaks, prying into every dark corner, came up with nothing but dust.

And now, Obama.
CHANGE™ !

164 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:36pm

re: #114 Charles

Grab your guitar and play my man. Heck, live stream it!

165 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:09:55pm

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

While not--yet--a gun owner

"Hurry up, please, it's time."

-T. S. Eliot

166 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:10:14pm

re: #114 Charles

{Charles}

I am disappointed too. The more I think on it, the more of a betrayal it feels to me. And not for me alone. I think of the families whose loved ones deserve dead or alive Justice. Righteous anger after such an attack should not be regretted. I want osama dead or alive- I will never regret saying it or feeling it.

167 pat  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:10:34pm

Bush's quaint but strangely accurate phrasing, ridiculed by the MSM and their media stooges for 8 years, disturbing to the citizenry who expect some erudition from the President, will seem absolutely glorious next to the next administrations by all indicators so far. Obama seems oblivious to facts and truth, or what he said the day before, and Biden seem just oblivious. And both are convinced they are smart. Geniuses. Super Geniuses. Gods. Transcendant Universal Minds!

168 bosforus  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:10:34pm

Now if he had said he regretted saying the whole "fool me once" bit I'd agree with him. Though it is the best Bushism of all time.

169 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:10:34pm

re: #158 Iron Fist

Obama was profoundly misleading during the campaign. I think he's going to make gun control his number 2 priority, right behind raising taxes.

Before or after he goes after free speech, under a new "fairless fairness doctrine"?

170 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:04pm

re: #141 mama winger

WHAT ?!?

Obama wants to make it just about impossible for the average person to own a firearm. And Biden proposed restricting the sale of rifle ammo.
Yep, gonna be an interesting 4 years.
Buy ammo..while you still can.

171 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:04pm

re: #137 bosforus

I'd love to be the meteorologist who suggests Hurricane Michelle for every hurricane next year.

No such luck. Next year's hurricane names are:

Ana
Bill
Claudette
Danny
Erika
Fred
Grace
Henri
Ida
Joaquin
Kate
Larry
Mindy
Nicholas
Odette
Peter
Rose
Sam
Teresa
Victor
Wanda

The name "Michelle" has been retired as a hurricane name, due to the destructiveness of Hurricane Michelle in 2001.

/Hurricane names through 2013 available here

172 Sol Roth  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:12pm

Anybody remember what Clinton said eight years ago? Anybody remember what Clinton did during his presidency?

Legacy as defender of Nation. Legacy as impeached President that spooged on slut in blue dress.

Perspective.

173 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:15pm

re: #141 mama winger

I'm more concerned about his trying to go after Concealed Carry. Totally unconstitutional, especially in the light of the Heller decision.

Obama will be a terrible failure of a President. I just hope Republicans will be able and willing to stop the worst of it.

174 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:23pm

re: #138 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wish I had 0.000001% of the strength of character that GWB has shown over the last 8 years.

I'm a little concerned about your character, now. ;)

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:31pm
176 Maximu§  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:11:55pm

re: #96 Ojoe

No, I agree with Bush here. The country has gotten itself in a stupid place and the election of Obama will be a corrective. In some ways it would have been worse for McCain to have won. (I said some ways.) Then the charges of racism and bitterness and maybe riots would have flown. Now we will see, if Obama is less than stellar, that we should actually pay attention to the content of character not color of skin. And we will now be able to disabuse ourselves of a lot of notions when we see that they don't really work out so well in practice.

You have a good point, but I wish that Cowboy woulda have stuck around longer. That "Dead-or-Alive" thing is exactly what we needed to hear after 9/11 and when we get hit again, the Dali-Bama will fall short.

177 ciaospirit  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:12:01pm

re: #84 Charles

It's not me who's surrendering.

I'm with you. I'm so sick of the Repubs apologizing all the time. Stand up, George. Act like a man! I wouldn't have named one instance and said "nobody's perfect, but I did one helluva job in one of the toughest times in our history."

If he came home to me, I'd wash his mouth out with soap for saying those things.

178 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:12:30pm

re: #174 garycooper

I'm a little concerned about your character, now. ;)

Never denied a total lack thereof.

179 bosforus  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:12:52pm

re: #171 gmsc

Awww nuts! Just our luck.

180 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:12:59pm

re: #162 Promethea

And yet, after 9/11 I learned a lot about the Crusades, especially on LGF. Knowing what I now know about jihad, the Crusades were actually more civilized.

Check it out. Read Andrew Boston's The Legacy of Jihad. It will make you sick.

I'm not arguing with you at all (spent 9 months in Iraq fighting Jihad). But surely you agree it was not the most PC thing to say, especially with the whole world waiting for your next move. Other than that comment, nothing else jumps out at me.

181 bcgirl  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:13:11pm

re: #136 gmsc

OT: Is Obama Testing The Waters?


There are more questions - read the whole thing.


OMG! IF THEY KNEW! but the sad part is of course they did not, today a guy inmy office who was McCain all along tells me he voted for obama after his wife and friends convinced him that obama offred fresh ideas and a new vision, and he admitted that he did not even research the candidates, now his parents wont speak to him and i told him that his fresh ideas and new vision were not new or fresh but old and proven to fail and that when the layoffs start he should not worry cuz obama will take care of him,, i must have this poll to show him tomorrow!

182 Sol Roth  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:13:11pm

re: #145 rawmuse

Imagine that you are Bush for a moment, having to prosecute a war on several fronts in Islamic lands, and simultaneously having to placate the Saudis to keep our energy supply stable, just so we could drive our cars and keep our planes in the air for a few more years.

We asked him to gargle the very balls of Beelzebub, and he did it, for us.

LOL! Upding for that line. Geeez!

183 venezuela lover  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:13:59pm

If George W. Bush said it, I could believe it. He told the truth as he knew it. Bless him and his service to this country.

On the other hand, Obama's word is worthless. He changes constantly and has no concept of ethics or public service. Obama wants all service to be for him.

184 wolfie  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:14:16pm

re: #145 rawmuse

Imagine that you are Bush for a moment, having to prosecute a war on several fronts in Islamic lands, and simultaneously having to placate the Saudis to keep our energy supply stable, just so we could drive our cars and keep our planes in the air for a few more years.

We asked him to gargle the very balls of Beelzebub, and he did it, for us.

(Just thought it deserved an encore!)

185 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:14:24pm

re: #169 Kosh's Shadow

I think before. I expect a reauthorization of the "assault weapons" ban to be one of the first major pieces of legislation he tries to get passed. That is, unless he decides to implement it by executive order.

186 bosforus  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:14:45pm

re: #136 gmsc

OT: Is Obama Testing The Waters?

There are more questions - read the whole thing.

Testing the waters? You mean he's finally going to deal with politics?! Better late than never, I guess.

187 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:14:47pm

Somewhat OT, but the company I just started working for has people who support both sides. I was a bit concerned by the 0bama signs I saw at the interview, but I've since found there are other people who think better than that; one had a picture of McCain and his wife, the other has various pictures up, including an "0bama/Marx 08" sign.

188 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:14:58pm

re: #182 Sol Roth

Well, he did, and we made fun of him, right here on this forum.
Sword dance? You think he liked doing the sword dance?

189 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:10pm

re: #114 Charles

I'm not sure why he regretted them but it seemed it may have been a matter of style instead of substance.

The partial substance of which is 4k dead, $10 billion a month, a defeated party, and a tarnished legacy. Certainly he must have had an inkling of the possibility of these things coming to pass.

These are things that no words can assuage but he did act despite this which in the long run might prove to be more vitally important than all the words ever said or written.

190 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:10pm

re: #142 Iron Fist

That's the truth. I'm very much afraid that before this is all said and done we're going to regreat that Hillary didn't win. And I hate Hillary.

Hillary supported the WoT, regardless of how she waffled during her campaign this year. I have to give her credit for that. It's the main reason Obama got the jump on her with the far-leftards, imho.

Hillary and Bill coming back to the White House would be a friggin' party, compared to the know-nothing mess of an administration we're in store for now.

191 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:11pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

I'm not saying anything.

192 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:22pm

re: #171 gmsc

No such luck. Next year's hurricane names are:

Ana
Bill
Claudette
Danny
Erika
Fred
Grace
Henri
Ida
Joaquin
Kate
Larry
Mindy
Nicholas
Odette
Peter
Rose
Sam
Teresa
Victor
Wanda

The name "Michelle" has been retired as a hurricane name, due to the destructiveness of Hurricane Michelle in 2001.

/Hurricane names through 2013 available here

I want to name one after my wife. Every week it looks like "Hurricane [wifes name]" goes through our house. I tell her that too.

193 Adrenalyn  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:29pm

re: #146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The "Bully Pulpit" is not what it once was, especially when the MSM detests you. Now, when BOzo takes over, the bully pulpit will be restored.

well, I think he may have been able to restore it
start by taking one media outlet and flat shutting them out
cut off all access to the White House and all staff are forbidden from talking to them

the others will fear being left out as serious "news" outlets
and may have towed the line a bit more
well, maybe towed the line is the wrong phrase
"been a little less freaking biased"
is more accurate

but I think he needed to respond to them more forcefully

194 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:44pm

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

While not--yet--a gun owner, the prospect of Obama trying to erase concealed-carry laws makes me furious, not only because it is stepping all over the concept of state sovereignty, but because it makes nonsense of the "keep and bear arms" provision of the Second Amendment.

He is taking a meat axe to the concept of federalism at both levels.

The backlash against a 75% tax, and a federal attempt at erasing CC would be widespread, deep and long lasting. Such an attempt would result in so many suits the AG office would be completely swamped defending the Administrations policies.

195 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:50pm

re: #172 Sol Roth

Anybody remember what Clinton did during his presidency?

Sure! Monica Lewinksy, Paula Jones . . .

196 ziggyelman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:15:50pm

re: #152 garycooper

I think Dubya's just in a bit of a down mood these days, given his horrible poll-ratings, and the big spanking for the GOP last week. I think he'll recover his naturally upbeat spirits, in due time. I'm hoping I will, too.

You are correct. It's not normal to be beaten up like he has since he was elected in 2000(except for what, 6 months after 9-11?)So many people didn't even think he was elected, and the press sure helped with that image.

I think Bush is probably brain washed himself, at this point. Trying to figure out why he is so very unpopular, so unimportant at this time.... It's the Media, they are the enemy of all of us right now....we can never forget this.

197 ciaospirit  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:16:11pm
gender selection abortions

OMG.

198 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:16:19pm

re: #185 Iron Fist

I think before. I expect a reauthorization of the "assault weapons" ban to be one of the first major pieces of legislation he tries to get passed. That is, unless he decides to implement it by executive order.

So he believes the gun is mightier than the word processor.
Maybe; I'm not sure which way he'll go, except to screw up the country.

199 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:16:31pm

re: #176 Maximu§

Being hit while Obama is president is a nightmare.

The other things he might do concern me less.

200 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:16:39pm

re: #166 Sharmuta

re: #114 Charles

{Charles}

I am disappointed too. The more I think on it, the more of a betrayal it feels to me. And not for me alone. I think of the families whose loved ones deserve dead or alive Justice. Righteous anger after such an attack should not be regretted. I want osama dead or alive- I will never regret saying it or feeling it.

President Bush is only expressing regret at his exact choice of words at the time.

He kept us safe while being constantly bombarded with hatred from the left.

If anyone on the right wants to bombard him with the same hatred as he's walking out the door, I hope they keep in mind what they will now be doing to those families who have sacrificed to keep America free.

President Bush kept us safe and took a lot of heat for it.

He has all my respect and my thanks for his service.

201 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:16:41pm
202 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #172 Sol Roth

Anybody remember what Clinton said eight years ago?


"It depends on the meaning of the word 'is'".

203 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:17:08pm

hello Night Lizards! It was cold, blustery and wet in Near Iowa today.

I didn't watch the news, listen to drive-time radio or read any rags. Anything exciting happen?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

204 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:17:19pm

If anything, I wish Bush had fought back at the media and his detractors much, much more....he was just too nice about it. And there are other things I wished he would've done, but all in all he kept us safe after 9/11 and that's a major deal to me.

205 jayzee  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:17:21pm

G-d bless you Mr. President. Don't apologize for anything except giving into those in congress that wanted excessive spending. That you could've done better. Besides that, we've had a prosecution of the WOT as you promised us in your State of the Union address and great financial recovery and growth. You've been much maligned and to give in to the trash now....

206 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:17:38pm

Why are our own leaders in the GOP trying so hard to dispirit us?

They are worthy of Justice! Never regret that.

207 coquimbojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:17:44pm

Just checking in, looks like we have a minyan.

208 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:18:07pm

re: #178 FurryOldGuyJeans

Never denied a total lack thereof.

Oh, in that case, I'm not worried a bit. It's the cipher-people, who give me the heebie-jeebies. One in particular, who's got some kind of fake halo on his head these days.

209 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:18:19pm

re: #204 MissLL

If anything, I wish Bush had fought back at the media and his detractors much, much more....he was just too nice about it. And there are other things I wished he would've done, but all in all he kept us safe after 9/11 and that's a major deal to me.

Well said!

Thanks!

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:18:19pm

Everyone has a breaking point; amazing how much crap had to be thrown at GWB to reach that point.

211 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:18:34pm

re: #173 Iron Fist

I'm more concerned about his trying to go after Concealed Carry. Totally unconstitutional, especially in the light of the Heller decision.

Obama will be a terrible failure of a President. I just hope Republicans will be able and willing to stop the worst of it.

Me too, as some one who carries consistently that one hits home. In WA the right to keep and bear arms in the State Constitution is much more broad and explicit than the US Constitution. He would have to run all over the WA State Constitution to do what he wants.

We've got a good AG in WA, he'd file against the Administration in a heartbeat.
State of Washington v. The President of the United States ought to be a good show.

212 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:18:43pm

re: #185 Iron Fist

That is, unless he decides to implement it by executive order.

Wouldn't work, and I don't think he'd even try it. That's not what EOs are for.

213 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:17pm

re: #192 logboy

Hooray! I hope my hurricane is an impressive, but well-behaved one. (Danny)

214 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:36pm

re: #198 Kosh's Shadow

I think he'll go after the low hanging fruit to rack up some quick wins. The AW ban is a favorite of the Democrats, so it'll be easy to pass if the GOP doesn't filibuster it. I hope that the GOP would filibuster it, but I could see them letting it slide since it used to be law.

The Republicans haven't overwhelmed me with their committment to the Second Amendment.

215 Adrenalyn  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:39pm

re: #177 ciaospirit

I'm with you. I'm so sick of the Repubs apologizing all the time. Stand up, George. Act like a man! I wouldn't have named one instance and said "nobody's perfect, but I did one helluva job in one of the toughest times in our history."

If he came home to me, I'd wash his mouth out with soap for saying those things.

Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina mentioned "scandals and broken promises" in a post-election interview with Foxnews

now what on earth possesses a Republican to say something like that about his own party
especially when:
A) the media party and the media will pounce on it
B) the media party has far more ethical problems

Senator DeMint: please, step away from the microphone

216 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:46pm

re: #209 Adina in Judea

Thanks Adina:)

217 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:48pm

Not one person posting here or reading here could have withstood 1/10th the crap that was thrown at President Bush on a daily basis.
So some may have regrets that President Bush has regrets over some words he spoke and to those that do, SHAME ON YOU.
President Bush kept us SAFE. That is his job and it did it well.

218 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:52pm

re: #185 Iron Fist

I think before. I expect a reauthorization of the "assault weapons" ban to be one of the first major pieces of legislation he tries to get passed. That is, unless he decides to implement it by executive order.

I've never had any real desire to buy a "pocket cannon" pistol or an assault rifle, but think now there is a very good chance I will before January. I think that the 2nd Amendment is about more than the National Guard or the right to shoot at ducks.

219 Dianna  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:54pm

The man's tired, and, after eight years of being assailed from all sides, I can see why.

We're going to miss him, badly, in spite of all his mistakes.

220 AmericanMe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:19:59pm
221 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:03pm

Maybe after meeting the Zero up close and personal..and realizing that his own presidency led to THIS...Maybe that is why he is apologizing.

222 coquimbojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:10pm

re: #211 jcm

Me too, as some one who carries consistently that one hits home. In WA the right to keep and bear arms in the State Constitution is much more broad and explicit than the US Constitution. He would have to run all over the WA State Constitution to do what he wants.

We've got a good AG in WA, he'd file against the Administration in a heartbeat.
State of Washington v. The President of the United States ought to be a good show.

Looking to buy a little Bushmaster AR-15 and get my concealed carry before next years starts...

223 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:17pm

This is why I miss Tony Snow. Tony knew that W needed someone to defend him, he knew that it was not in W's character to even offer simple rebuttal to his attackers. I knew Tony, we even played music together. Tony was damn good at his job, and he knew that he was the best one to do it.

224 RTLM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:20pm

I think George W. Bush's Presidency was monumental. Huge successes, huge mistakes and given no objectivity whatsoever from the main stream media. Demonized non-stop. Called moronic and stupid on a 24 hour, multi-network news cycle. Total pop/teen culture negativity as well. And over all that he has beaten the Dems more than any Republican I can remember. Definitely more than his Ded did. He got this war won with a verbally recalcitrant House/Senate. He managed to keep safe guards in our home defense enough to stop any terror attacks on US soil. The majority always ended up on his side of the argument.

His Presidency, as of today, is a success. For all the clenched teeth satisfaction the Leftists are feeling now, I think they'll be astounded at the very near future positive references to the Bush Presidency

225 Sol Roth  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:46pm

re: #188 rawmuse

Well, he did, and we made fun of him, right here on this forum.
Sword dance? You think he liked doing the sword dance?

Don't know about the sword dance. He could have not held hands with the guys in sheets though. That was creepy. There are somethings a U.S. President just doesn't do, even when in Rome (or Riyadh).

226 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:48pm

re: #212 Occasional Reader

Wouldn't work, and I don't think he'd even try it. That's not what EOs are for.

When it comes to a revolution never say never. Obama may see fit to use EOs anyway He wants to. Precedent is for politicians, not Messiahs and Dictators.

227 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:20:50pm

re: #201 buzzsawmonkey

Always pointing out the silver lining, aren't you?

Always. And reality. Lots of pro gun democrats. Lots of apolitical pro-gun types.

228 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #179 bosforus

Awww nuts! Just our luck.

Well, there is a possibility of a Hurricane Rose next year, and one of 0bama's daughters does have the USSS codename of Rosebud.

229 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:21:41pm

re: #200 Adina in Judea

Disappointment = hate? I don't hate President Bush. I'm disappointed he handed the koslings a nice gift while walking out the door, however.

230 ted  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:21:45pm

GWB will be remembered as one of our greatest POTUS. Just not now. The MSM and Leftists have so poisoned the climate, it's just not possible now.

231 mattm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:21:48pm

Dead or alive worked fine for me.

Thank you for keeping us safe.

232 Maximu§  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:08pm

re: #211 jcm

Me too, as some one who carries consistently that one hits home. In WA the right to keep and bear arms in the State Constitution is much more broad and explicit than the US Constitution. He would have to run all over the WA State Constitution to do what he wants.

We've got a good AG in WA, he'd file against the Administration in a heartbeat.
State of Washington v. The President of the United States ought to be a good show.

Even tho the Democrats have a larger majority, I don't think all of them will drink the Kool-aide The Dali-Bama hands out and some may side with Republicans on important issues.

233 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:17pm

re: #217 newsjunkie_ky

I hope Obama can handle 1/100th of what Bush has. It's going to be tougher than he thinks.

234 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:22pm

re: #213 garycooper

Hooray! I hope my hurricane is an impressive, but well-behaved one. (Danny)

With hurricanes, I think they're either one or the other.

235 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:24pm

re: #204 MissLL

If anything, I wish Bush had fought back at the media and his detractors much, much more....he was just too nice about it. And there are other things I wished he would've done, but all in all he kept us safe after 9/11 and that's a major deal to me.

And today he conceded to the msm.

236 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:32pm

re: #222 coquimbojoe

Looking to buy a little Bushmaster AR-15 and get my concealed carry before next years starts...

I did buy my "black rifle" (Springfield Scout .308, with mod chassis), I'll be buying ammo soon.

237 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:44pm

I guess I'll follow Charles' example. Later.

238 coquimbojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:50pm

re: #224 RTLM

I think George W. Bush's Presidency was monumental. Huge successes, huge mistakes and given no objectivity whatsoever from the main stream media. Demonized non-stop. Called moronic and stupid on a 24 hour, multi-network news cycle. Total pop/teen culture negativity as well. And over all that he has beaten the Dems more than any Republican I can remember. Definitely more than his Ded did. He got this war won with a verbally recalcitrant House/Senate. He managed to keep safe guards in our home defense enough to stop any terror attacks on US soil. The majority always ended up on his side of the argument.

His Presidency, as of today, is a success. For all the clenched teeth satisfaction the Leftists are feeling now, I think they'll be astounded at the very near future positive references to the Bush Presidency

I generally agree. I don't think that he will go down as a great conservative, but he did many good things. I am glad he is going as I am sick of republicans spending like democrats, but I think I will miss the security he provided.

239 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:22:59pm

re: #207 coquimbojoe

Just checking in, looks like we have a minyan.

We're all lizardoid minyans, didn't you get the memo?

240 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:23:00pm

re: #221 Wishing

Maybe after meeting the Zero up close and personal..and realizing that his own presidency led to THIS...Maybe that is why he is apologizing.

President Bush didn't bring in Obama's hundreds of millions of dollars of illegal campaign contributions with complicity from the MSM.

We all should have spoken up in favor of President Bush when he was being endlessly maligned for keeping us safe.

241 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:23:49pm

re: #212 Occasional Reader

That's how Bush I banned the importation of semi-automatic rifles in, what, 1991? Clinton reclassified two or three shotgun designs as Class III by EO, as well. Obama might try that same tactic with semi-automatic weapons. IIRC that more or less what they do in DC, claiming that semi-automatic weapons are machineguns.

There's a lot of rope there, especially with a Democratic House and Senate.

242 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:02pm

re: #226 FurryOldGuyJeans

EO's only work if the populace agrees with them. He is not going to be king, he is going to be a public servant.

243 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:10pm

re: #233 ggt

re: #217 newsjunkie_ky

I hope Obama can handle 1/100th of what Bush has. It's going to be tougher than he thinks.

It was tougher for Bush because he cares about America.

I don't think Obama will worry about anything.

He's won his title of King and it's all he ever wanted.

244 Adrenalyn  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:14pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

And today he conceded to the msm.

I think he all but did that in 2004
with the CBS guard doc story
the fake draft story
the Valerie Plame story
the naked bias favoring Lt for Life Hanoi John
etc...

how many stories were made up by the media/media party
and how many did he ever respond to ?

245 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:25pm

OT but related in some ways -

Posted on the prior thread about how a recent No on 8 protest here had gays calling blacks n*****s.

Here is an account of it (not safe for conflicted homophobes - lots-o-ads).

The supposition on the part of many gays is that blacks coming out to vote for Obama voted against 8 in overwhelming numbers (which the exit polling seems to confirm).

Anyway - it makes for interesting reading from the standpoint of fratricide among the left, and what is the ultimate effect of identity politics.

Also note that the writer blames Andrew Sullivan for bringing racism into the LGBT community (one would assume that is because he identifies himself as a conservative).

246 Defogger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:27pm

President Bush is not one of the most articulate politicians we will ever see, and some of his policies, quite frankly, stink. But he is a good, honest man, and he did his best. If he made a few gaffes along the way, so what? I rather liked his 'cowboy' image, and I am glad he made Arabs and the Euro-weenies nervous. History will judge him kindly.

247 coquimbojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:27pm

re: #236 jcm

I did buy my "black rifle" (Springfield Scout .308, with mod chassis), I'll be buying ammo soon.

Synthetic or wood stock? Nice rifle. Pricey.

248 mattm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:27pm

re: #233 ggt

I hope Obama can handle 1/100th of what Bush has. It's going to be tougher than he thinks.

Yet, he thinks that by saying "hope" and "change" he can solve all the problems.

249 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:43pm

We'll see how long Bozo lasts before turning inside out. I'm betting he'll only last a year before either pouting aloud "everyone is picking on me" to solicit sympathy or sending his henchman to squash open criticism.

250 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:24:56pm

re: #240 Adina in Judea

President Bush didn't bring in Obama's hundreds of millions of dollars of illegal campaign contributions with complicity from the MSM.

We all should have spoken up in favor of President Bush when he was being endlessly maligned for keeping us safe.

Well I certainly did! And man o man, I heard some doozys!

251 rawmuse[deleted]  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:25:07pm
252 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:25:17pm

re: #158 Iron Fist

Obama was profoundly misleading during the campaign. I think he's going to make gun control his number 2 priority, right behind raising taxes.

If he does that, it will backfire like we haven't seen in ages. He will be despised by vast numbers of people... including a great many of the people who now think he's such hot stuff.

253 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:25:21pm

re: #226 FurryOldGuyJeans

When it comes to a revolution never say never. Obama may see fit to use EOs anyway He wants to. Precedent is for politicians, not Messiahs and Dictators.

[sigh] Look. If we want to get all paranoid, sure, Obama *could* in theory issue Executive Orders claiming, I dunno, that he has the right of prima nocta. Or whatever. But it's not going to happen. Nor are Marching Obama Civilian Security Yoots coming to kick down our doors and drag us off to the Gulag.

254 tedzilla99  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:25:38pm

It's unfortunate that he feels like he has to express regret for saying those things, but I am glad he did say them and I backed him 100%. I think Charles took it a little too far with the surrender comment, but I agree with him in principle: he should stick to his guns on this subject. On the war on terrorism, he was steadfast and courageous, and for that, and for his leadership right after 9/11, I will always love and respect him. I am truly disgusted by those who savaged him day in and day out, when all he wanted to do was the right thing for the USA.

And, because he was so damned successful, idiots think 9/11 was just a one-off blip that we can just forget about. I won't, and I will never forget him talking to NY from the bullhorn at Ground Zero, and I will never forget his first pitch in Yankee Stadium that year. I am proud to call him President, and I hope that when he leaves office he can have some peace from the hatred and lunacy lined up against him.

255 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:25:40pm

re: #220 AmericanMe

That was a fine article--read it last week, on the Day After.

256 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:26:02pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

re: #200 Adina in Judea

Disappointment = hate? I don't hate President Bush. I'm disappointed he handed the koslings a nice gift while walking out the door, however.

Defending Obama and attacking Bush here at this time is a gift for the koslings.

257 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:26:23pm

Bedtime!

258 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:26:36pm

re: #136 gmsc

OT: Is Obama Testing The Waters?

China where coercive abortions are performed based on the gender of the fetus

There are more questions - read the whole thing.

China has coercive abortions, and gender selection abortions, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone allege that!

Take this whole "poll" thing with a block of halite, IMO.

And Clayton Cramer, last I had any dealings with him (which was a long time ago), shouldn't have fallen for an urban legend like this...

259 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:26:40pm

re: #256 Adina in Judea

Who the fuck is defending 0bama on this thread?

260 AmericanMe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:26:57pm

re: #250 Wishing

Well I certainly did! And man o man, I heard some doozys!

Ditto, here. My Moonbat sister called him everything in the book and blame him for everything wrong in the world. Pissed me the hell off, but I kept my cool.

261 rollingdivision  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:27:15pm

re: #248 mattm

Obama will never be ridiculed by the press as the did Bush. Also, where the press always assumed the worst possible actions and intentions by Bush, without proof, they will always give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

262 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:27:31pm

re: #242 ggt

EO's only work if the populace agrees with them. He is not going to be king, he is going to be a public servant.

They work also if the populace doesn't know what has be EOed. There is only implicit precedent that OEs are given public notice. Obama doesn't have to let any of His EOs become public.

I sure hope you are correct about His not becoming King, but His Ego, political backers and party sure seem to want to attempt to make it happen.

263 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:27:32pm

re: #254 tedzilla99

And, because he was so damned successful, idiots think 9/11 was just a one-off blip that we can just forget about. I won't, and I will never forget him talking to NY from the bullhorn at Ground Zero, and I will never forget his first pitch in Yankee Stadium that year. I am proud to call him President, and I hope that when he leaves office he can have some peace from the hatred and lunacy lined up against him.

Good post!

I'm proud to call him President, too!

Thanks!

264 J.S.  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:27:32pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

Bush stated virtually the same thing (I believe it was during a Christmas address to the nation?) over a year ago...virtually word for word, iirc...do you recall this? So, this isn't anything "new." It's what he's said before.

265 june_july  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:27:47pm

I admire president Bush for even surviving the 2 terms. So much abuse heaped his way, such terrible choices (and they may not be done yet...). But I believe he did the best he could for the USA. I think he really is a basically decent man, and probably somewhat of a naive man.

The one place where I felt betrayed was his (in my opinion) pathological relation with the Saudis. Truly they are the enemy, and he just does not seem to get that. I think the oil that flows in his blood interfered with proper decision making.

The greatest service any future president can do for the USA is to set in motion a national project that will see this country weaned from the teat of Arab oil, and hopefully all oil. It's like a chain around the neck of this nation, dragging it down. So much of the world's trouble can be related directly to this issue.

266 Kulhwch  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:27:49pm

re: #17 Charles

And if you supported him in those statements in the dark days after September 11, the message is: you're a loser like me.

Isn't that lovely?

I hated and distrusted him when he 1st came into power.  Needless to say, I didn't vote for him, but that was the last non-Republican vote I cast.  Over almost the next decade he singlehandedly brought me around to his way of thinking and precipitated a sea-change in my soul that has set me on the path I shall probably tread the rest of my life.  I have learned to like and immensely respect him, and became willing to stand behind much of what he did for the country.

And then I joined the lizard army.

}:)     [It's good that we losers have a place to hang together -- maybe we can save our way of life this way.  Proud to be a loser like you, Charles.]

267 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:28:11pm

I LOVE YOU, PRES. BUSH!

Goodnight, Lizards.

268 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:28:31pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

And today he conceded to the msm.


Hey Sharmuta,

Read the first part of what I wrote...as I said, he is too nice.

269 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:28:52pm

re: #267 MandyManners

Good night, MM. Time for me to sign off, as well.

270 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:29:09pm

I want osama dead or alive.

I'm not the one regretting these words. Think about that.

271 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #247 coquimbojoe

Synthetic or wood stock? Nice rifle. Pricey.

Synthetic, Troy with a quad rail. Still need the optics.

272 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:29:33pm

re: #245 karmic_inquisitor

OT but related in some ways -

Posted on the prior thread about how a recent No on 8 protest here had gays calling blacks n*****s.

Here is an account of it (not safe for conflicted homophobes - lots-o-ads).

The supposition on the part of many gays is that blacks coming out to vote for Obama voted against 8 in overwhelming numbers (which the exit polling seems to confirm).

Anyway - it makes for interesting reading from the standpoint of fratricide among the left, and what is the ultimate effect of identity politics.

Also note that the writer blames Andrew Sullivan for bringing racism into the LGBT community (one would assume that is because he identifies himself as a conservative).

Some Prop 8 links from Instapundit:

DALE CARPENTER on the debate about how to respond to the Proposition 8 defeat.

Plus this: "Let's characterize more things as hate and then fight hate with hate. What a terrible idea!"

And also this: "Notice the leadership President-Elect Obama is showing on this issue?"

And comparing and contrasting responses to electoral defeat. The question is, which is more effective?

273 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:29:38pm

re: #259 Sharmuta

re: #256 Adina in Judea

Who the fuck is defending 0bama on this thread?

Breaking out with the f-word, Sharmuta?

I used the word "here" (not "on this thread.")

274 garycooper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:30:21pm

re: #234 gmsc

With hurricanes, I think they're either one or the other.

Point taken. I guess I prefer the ones that just work Cuba over, and then drift northward and dissipate. Or bring the needed rains to the US, without the devastation.

275 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:30:33pm

re: #273 Adina in Judea

I want osama dead or alive.

I'm not the one regretting these words. Think about that.

276 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:30:45pm

re: #270 Sharmuta

I want osama dead or alive.

I'm not the one regretting these words. Think about that.

I have said previously that I do not approve of women serving in direct combat roles.

Here is why; men are capable of mercy.

////

277 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:30:55pm

He is a beaten man. The regrets are all things the left wanted to change about him. I don't hear him regretting calling Americans who want to secure our borders "vigilantes." I don't hear any regrets that Ramos and Compean are in a jail cell at this very minute. I don't hear any regrets about the continual degrading of his own Bush Doctrine. I don't hear any regrets about the things he should regret. Instead, he regrets talking tough to terrorists?

278 gman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:31:14pm

re: #256 Adina in Judea

Defending Obama and attacking Bush here at this time is a gift for the koslings.

Show me where Sharm is defending Obama.

279 Promethea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:31:24pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Well, Michelle is worried that as a black man he could get shot buying gasoline.

That remark from Michelle is what opened my eyes as to what kind of vicious bitch she is. I'll be interested to see how she conducts herself in the White House.

280 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:31:54pm

re: #251 rawmuse

The Saudis should thank Allah for President Bush as well.
Because if I had been President, Mecca would have been just molten glass on Sept. 12, 2001.

Do you honestly think Al "I Invented the Earth" Gore would have taken that action? Never would have happened. He would have pulled a Clinton move "we are closely monitoring the situation". Then he would have preached how 9/11 was destroying the environment before retreating to his $2400 a month energy consuming mansion.

281 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:32:08pm

re: #270 Sharmuta

I want osama dead or alive.

I'm not the one regretting these words. Think about that.

You're not the President of the United States who is speaking to hundreds of millions of people with an angry MSM nipping at your heels for every possible thing they can use to decimate you and our country.

282 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:32:18pm

re: #253 Occasional Reader

I look to the Wilson Administration for the depths of what is or isn't possible in this country. It can happen here if people allow it.

283 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:32:29pm

re: #268 MissLL

No, Bush is not too nice. The other side is too viscous. It would be worse if nasty was returned with nasty.

Good Night All.

284 shanec99  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:32:49pm

Sharm, and the rest of the lizards... I gotta go. Need to do some work today.

I really love the respectful tone of the debate here. Disagreements should be that, a different point of view, without the nastiness and vile name calling.

We can respect each other, debate specific points and still disagree.

Thanks to all. See y'all soon.

285 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:33:09pm

re: #280 logboy

Do you honestly think Al "I Invented the Earth" Gore would have taken that action? Never would have happened. He would have pulled a Clinton move "we are closely monitoring the situation". Then he would have preached how 9/11 was destroying the environment before retreating to his $2400 a month energy consuming mansion.

No, but we can be reasonably sure President Rawmuse would've.

286 Olderthandirt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:33:26pm

President Bush has never been beaten down IMHO! However, I will criticize him for not wading into the fray with his congressional opponents; he never seemed willing to do mix it up with them.

He kept us safe and that's the blessing from his stewardship of this country.

However, as a legacy from Bush's unwillingness to mix it up with Congress, we now have a pending Obama presidency, one which has the ability to sink this country. Obama's soon ascendancy as CINC may well evolve into sink us!

287 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:33:36pm

re: #281 Adina in Judea

You're not the President of the United States who is speaking to hundreds of millions of people with an angry MSM nipping at your heels for every possible thing they can use to decimate you and our country.

My thoughts exactly! If I had to even go through a few days of what he goes through, I would fold up and be a total mess.

288 Orangutan  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:33:44pm

re: #246 Defogger

President Bush is not one of the most articulate politicians we will ever see, and some of his policies, quite frankly, stink. But he is a good, honest man, and he did his best. If he made a few gaffes along the way, so what? I rather liked his 'cowboy' image, and I am glad he made Arabs and the Euro-weenies nervous. History will judge him kindly.


I could not agree more....he tried to do so many more good things that were blocked by a greedy and then intransigent Congress and bureaucracy, too. At the end of the day, his results are proof of one of the greatest needs for successful leadership - to be able to communicate.....but, given the morass of outright deceptive MSM coverage, it is hard to lay full responsibility for communication flaws at his feet. I wish the Noonan types would have worked more for him, and more frequently. We needed to see him speaking directly about the challenges the other branches of our government and other governments were giving his efforts ... and the only way to do that anymore is to bypass the Helen Thomases, live.

289 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:33:53pm

re: #280 logboy

Oh crap. Read your post wrong. Sorry. Forget the Al Gore statement. Its late!

290 Charles  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:34:12pm
291 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:34:15pm

re: #235 Sharmuta

And today he conceded to the msm.

That is part of it. After 8 years of those screaming monomaniacs, he's tired and wants some peace. That is one the greatest advantages lefties and Islamist have: they don't tire of spouting their nonsense. Eventually most people who disagree with them fall prey to one of two mistakes:

1. They blow a fuse and start screaming themselves. This is what I do.
2. They just walk away or give in to gain some peace. George W. Bush seems to be doing this.

292 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:34:21pm

If 0bama actually believes he needs to strongarm gun owners in order to do what he wants to do, then gun control is probably the least of our worries...

293 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:34:30pm

I like to be the guy at the party who takes on the BDS talking points blabbermouth and defend GWB. Not being confrontational, more like playing devil's advocate.

I like to play stump the chump and ask at what point since 9/11 would they have done something different than Bush and how. And then ask what would things be like now if that is what GWB had done it that way. You'd be surprised at how many haven't thought things through that far. All they know is Utopia didn't happen.

294 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:34:50pm

Well like many others here I am off to bed.

We may disagree on the most trivial of things but I hope that when it comes to the matters most important to our hearts that we will unite and form a mighty army whose firm belief in liberty will carry and protect this nation.

Take care of one another.

295 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:35:04pm

re: #266 Kulhwch

I hated and distrusted him when he 1st came into power. Needless to say, I didn't vote for him, but that was the last non-Republican vote I cast. Over almost the next decade he singlehandedly brought me around to his way of thinking and precipitated a sea-change in my soul that has set me on the path I shall probably tread the rest of my life. I have learned to like and immensely respect him, and became willing to stand behind much of what he did for the country.

My experience was the same - except that I had a sea-change in my soul in the months (rather than years) after President Bush responded to 9/11.

I voted for Al Gore in 2000. I voted for George W. Bush in 2004.

296 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:35:08pm

re: #262 FurryOldGuyJeans

I think it would be difficult to become king without a major overall of government. Even king de facto would be difficult. He can try, but there are so many power mongers in Washington & Wall Street who also want to be king, he'd have hard time with it.

When Michelle and Barry start having staff wanting them every second of every day to make this decision and that decision, I think reality will be a shock. I think there is a lot less dictating and a lot more "following the schedule" than most people realize.

297 ted  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:35:33pm

I think in 4 years Americans will begging GWB to run again.

298 shanec99  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:35:38pm

re: #275 Sharmuta

I want osama dead or alive.

I'm not the one regretting these words. Think about that.

Nor do I Sharm... I want the SOB in jail or six feet under. More than 3,000 families have suffered because of the SOB.

If there is ever justfication for the death penalty it is that SOB.

Dead or alive, yes those are my sentiments too.

299 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:35:55pm

In a church, in a setting that was completely inappropriate, I was cussed out for being from Texas, the same state as the President. It would have been absolutely inappropriate for me to respond or acknowledge the attack where I was. Stupid, senile, moonbat geezer. He wouldn't have said anything if we were in a different environment, I figure. I might have forgotten to be a gentleman.

300 gmsc  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:35:59pm

re: #297 ted

I think in 41 years Americans will begging GWB to run again.

301 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:36:00pm

re: #283 Ojoe

No, Bush is not too nice. The other side is too viscous. It would be worse if nasty was returned with nasty.

Good Night All.

Excuse me, but who was saying anything about being nasty? And why would you jump to conclusions like that? All I was saying was that Bush should have defended himself and his policies more...sheesh!

302 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:36:08pm

I think if Osama is captured and tried, Bush gets to throw the switch on the electric chair.

303 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:36:09pm

Being a President is analogous to being a Paramedic in an emergency.

Confidence will calm the patient and if it is coupled with good decisions will save the patient. If the patient is good to go as you hand them off to the "pros" at the hospital there's no reason to beat yourself up about the minor mistakes just learn from them and never repeat them to the patient.

But no matter how confident bad decisions will in the end harm the patient.

No attack since 9/11 I think the right President was called to that emergency. We will see how the new one does.

304 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:36:44pm

re: #299 David IV of Georgia

I cannot stand politics in church, myself.

Good Night again.

305 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:36:48pm

re: #296 ggt

I think it would be difficult to become king without a major overall of government. Even king de facto would be difficult. He can try, but there are so many power mongers in Washington & Wall Street who also want to be king, he'd have hard time with it.

When Michelle and Barry start having staff wanting them every second of every day to make this decision and that decision, I think reality will be a shock. I think there is a lot less dictating and a lot more "following the schedule" than most people realize.

We can only hope they become prisoners of the staff. Didn't work all that well with the Clintons, though.

306 Sol Roth  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:37:08pm

re: #251 rawmuse

Yep. Not just M-City either. re: #290 Charles

His date needs a shave.

307 poopeedoo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:37:24pm

Dubya is a good man, an honest man who did what he believed was right for our country. I'm going to miss him.

308 Kulhwch  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:37:32pm

re: #30 mama winger

Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe. No President should have to face what you did, ever again.

You weren't perfect - no man is. But I never doubted that you loved your country, that you loved your family, that you loved the troops.

You are a man of grace and kindness, Never was there a hint of scandal, never was there an unkind word or a harsh gesture. You brought the Oval Office dignity and honor. Thank you, Mr. President.

Agreed, not bad for a war-time president.

}:)     [He's in good company indeed.]

309 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:37:32pm

re: #301 MissLL

Bush has given some unappreciated example is all.

310 J.S.  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:37:44pm

re: #275 Sharmuta

Check out CNN for the year 2005 -- in an interview Bush expressed regrets about his word choices...From 2005: Dana Bash, CNN, "Now the election is behind him, and the president is giving a series of pre-inauguration interviews where he is coming up with a few examples of errors in the way he used language, vowing to be more careful with words in the next four years. He cited both the infamous "dead or alive" quote about getting Osama bin Laden in the days after 9/11, and also saying, "bring it on" in reference to the Iraqi insurgency just heating up then as poor choices of words."

311 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:37:59pm

re: #282 FurryOldGuyJeans

true

312 Defogger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:38:02pm

re: #288 Orangutan

I could not agree more....he tried to do so many more good things that were blocked by a greedy and then intransigent Congress and bureaucracy, too. At the end of the day, his results are proof of one of the greatest needs for successful leadership - to be able to communicate.....but, given the morass of outright deceptive MSM coverage, it is hard to lay full responsibility for communication flaws at his feet. I wish the Noonan types would have worked more for him, and more frequently. We needed to see him speaking directly about the challenges the other branches of our government and other governments were giving his efforts ... and the only way to do that anymore is to bypass the Helen Thomases, live.

Ditto. And he should have used the veto much more than he did.

313 ted  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:38:09pm

IMO, the next 4 years will be the darkest hours for my beautiful country.
I'm truly devastated.

314 ted  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:38:47pm

re: #300 gmsc

You bet.

315 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:39:15pm

re: #309 Ojoe

Bush has given some unappreciated example is all.

Hmmm...don't quite get your meaning? Say again?

316 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:39:39pm

re: #290 Charles

Video: Bush Does the Sword Dance.

I was just searching for that particular clip.

317 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:40:06pm

re: #290 Charles

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/28631_Vide o-_Bush_Does_the_Sword_Dance

Yup - President Bush is definitely a nice guy.

318 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:40:25pm

Some of the very best managers I have worked for knew one thing about handling chaos and a disjointed workforce. Unite them by making them all hate the boss.

319 Sol Roth  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:06pm

re: #290 Charles

"Gargling the balls of Beelzebub for all of us." ----rawmuse

320 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:07pm

re: #251 rawmuse

The Saudis should thank Allah for President Bush as well.
Because if I had been President, Mecca would have been just molten glass on Sept. 12, 2001.

I fear that I would have chosen the parking lot scenario myself—B-1 bombers have never been tested in their original role yet. Sometimes I wonder if it would have been a good idea, or just a lot of unnecessary human misery.

321 poopeedoo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:14pm

re: #318 Mich-again

Some of the very best managers I have worked for knew one thing about handling chaos and a disjointed workforce. Unite them by making them all hate the boss.

Hmmm... Interesting.

322 RedVoter  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:15pm

Obviously, in hindsight, the "Mission Accomplished" banner was inappropriate, even though the initial invasion was succesful. Too much marketing of a war effort involved with that banner.

But I had no problem with the "Dead or Alive" comment. It showed a level of frankness we need in our leaders. "Bring 'em on" may seem like an unpresidential thing to say to tight asses in the media, who shun bravado of any kind, but for the time it is what all of us were thinking and the President echoed our sentiments perfectly.

A President needs to be cautious of what he says, sure, but those phrases are not his faults. They were his strengths. His faults were the early mismanagement of the war with Rumsfeld, Deficit Spending, Goverment Expansion and a stubborn loyalty to inept fools who hurt him in the end, such as Gonzalez. But damnit if he didn't have one of the most challenging Presidencies in a Century. All the while being accused of stealing both elections and facing a hostile transition from the Clinton administration.

323 Wishing  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:30pm

It is still Veterans Day here. In honor of them, I will not be reduced to bitching about their Commander in Chief.
Thank you, President Bush!
gnite all

324 Crusty  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:53pm

We've traded 8 years of tax cuts and dead terrorists for 4 years of tax hikes and a former associate of terrorists.

I can't wait to see how everyone compares how Mr. Personality handles whatever crap is headed our way in the next couple of years to how the big W used to handle things. I think we'll only fully appreciate Bush in hindsight.

325 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:41:59pm
326 Penguinchic  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:42:04pm

re: #292 Dar ul Harb

I really can't believe that Obama would go after gun owners. I just don't get it because it really would end up where only criminals have the guns. IIRC, a gun can be bought on the streets for about $30. Can someone please tell me why he wants so much gun control?

327 LoFlyer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:42:11pm

re: #266 Kulhwch

I hated and distrusted him when he 1st came into power.  Needless to say, I didn't vote for him, but that was the last non-Republican vote I cast.  Over almost the next decade he singlehandedly brought me around to his way of thinking and precipitated a sea-change in my soul that has set me on the path I shall probably tread the rest of my life.  I have learned to like and immensely respect him, and became willing to stand behind much of what he did for the country.

And then I joined the lizard army.

}:)     [It's good that we losers have a place to hang together -- maybe we can save our way of life this way.  Proud to be a loser like you, Charles.]

We aren't losers mate! I think what disappoints me the most about Bush was the huge buildup in "big-government" and Bush's aversion to veto powers. My employer owns seven plus command RV's loaded with commo equipment scattered across the county at a cost of half a mil apiece, courtesy of homeland security grants. Our marshall is working to secure a 42 million grant to provide wireless internet throughout the county, again courtesy of Homeland security. Huge amounts of cash being thrown around on non-productive projects and grants in the name of Homeland security.

328 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:42:28pm

Bush may have not been the perfect choice but if we think back to the choice we were given, Gore or Kerry it was no choice at all.

329 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:42:39pm

President Bush has so much respect for the 'Office of the Presidency' and perhaps (just me thinking this) by some of his words he feels as if he dishonored the 'Office'. I think that is why he never partook of the banning of certain msm like the zero/plugs have already done. Plus taking office after the nastiness of the clinton adm., he felt he should be honorable in all things. By saying 'wanted dead or alive' this just fed the freaks on the left. Perhaps that is what he regrets--he gave fuel to the looney left.
The LLLs would have pounced on anything as was demonstrated.

330 wright1  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:43:33pm

President Bush like most Presidents was a flawed character. While his strengths were being strong on his convictions, his weaknesses were also that he was strong on his convictions. On the plus side, the fact that he has kept this nation secure was a Herculean effort. Aided of course by our courageous military and law enforcement, President Bush understood the most important issue of our time. Can he be criticized for making Iraq the central front? How easy it is to second guess him. If he is to be blamed, it is in my view for not changing strategy on the ground in Iraq.

For those who knew what happened in Tora Bora, our options were few. More man power there? Perhaps.

Other areas the President was more responsible for failure. He had the bully pulpit but he did not have the desire or will or ability to fight off the wild pack of media hounds. He could have however, hired someone to do it and for that he failed - miserably. The MSM set the agenda. Under Reagan, that did not happen (mostly because Reason was a better communicator).

Bush failed to recall who he was. He was a conservative. Reaching across the aisle often hurt him. Still, SCT. Justices, Patriot Act, War resolutions & Funding, and countless other victorieswere had at a panting Democratic expense.

Bush was not nearly as bad as he appears as portrayed in the MSM. But he took the Republican Party in many respects down a road of disaster. Never properly applying the brakes, the car went careening down the ravine.


But it is a mixed picture. I suspect with BHO in power as the benevolent dictator, we will soon pine for President Bush who to his credit cleaned the ring around the white house bath tub with his class and propriety. I fear that "class" has just caught the 5:25 out of town...

331 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:43:59pm

OK, I am logging off before the W derangement becomes too much.
I predict we will look back on these years with fondness, especially in light of what is to come.

Once we were able to come together on a blog and discuss a variety of issues in an reasoned manner, with perfect strangers, in those days before the new, revised USA shut down all dissenting blogs and rounded up the bloggers and all the registrants. In those days the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments (now repealed) protected us.


Goodnight, Lizards!

332 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:44:01pm

re: #310 J.S.

Check out CNN for the year 2005 -- in an interview Bush expressed regrets about his word choices...From 2005: Dana Bash, CNN, "Now the election is behind him, and the president is giving a series of pre-inauguration interviews where he is coming up with a few examples of errors in the way he used language, vowing to be more careful with words in the next four years. He cited both the infamous "dead or alive" quote about getting Osama bin Laden in the days after 9/11, and also saying, "bring it on" in reference to the Iraqi insurgency just heating up then as poor choices of words."

Wonderful point!

He regretted the same exact words from his term when he won as he's regretting today (at the end of his second term.)

It's not surrendering!

He said all this when he won four years ago, too.

He has no new words added on to the list, so he took his own advice.

Thank you!

333 gman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:44:02pm

re: #256 Adina in Judea

Defending Obama and attacking Bush here at this time is a gift for the koslings.

You still haven't explained yourself.

334 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:44:30pm

re: #326 Penguinchic

I really can't believe that Obama would go after gun owners. I just don't get it because it really would end up where only criminals have the guns. IIRC, a gun can be bought on the streets for about $30. Can someone please tell me why he wants so much gun control?

Democrat doctrine, to disarm the minions.

335 Charles  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:44:35pm
336 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:45:16pm

re: #305 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not prisoners of the staff, prisoners of the office. It is more than I can handle. I don't think there are a lot evenings sitting around in one's PJ's surfing the net.

337 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:45:18pm

re: #335 Charles

Laura Bush is really nice, too.

338 Ojoe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:45:22pm

re: #315 MissLL

if anything, I wish Bush had fought back at the media and his detractors much, much more....he was just too nice about it.

Sometimes detractors are best ignored; to engage may lend credence to their spurious accusations and, worse, lower you to their level.

Good Night, MissLL, and all other lizards.

339 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:46:03pm

re: #256 Adina in Judea

Defending Obama and attacking Bush here at this time is a gift for the koslings.


Who do you hear defending Obama and bashing Bush? Are you reading the right blog?

340 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:46:04pm

re: #334 logboy

Democrat doctrine, to disarm the minions.

And once you disarm the populace you can do virtually anything you want without fear of reprisal from the most likely arena.

341 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:46:07pm

re: #318 Mich-again

Some of the very best managers I have worked for knew one thing about handling chaos and a disjointed workforce. Unite them by making them all hate the boss.


----Michael Scott, The Office.

342 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:46:07pm

FYI - while we sh*t on McCain and Bush, John Edwards is staging a comeback.

343 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:46:33pm

re: #335 Charles

Charles, you're being cryptic in this thread, so I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do. But I'll tell you one thing you are doing: you're coming up with a list of things that, if I were Bush, I would regret a hell of a lot more than "dead or alive."

344 RedVoter  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:46:45pm

re: #290 Charles

Video: Bush Does the Sword Dance.


"no matter which way you cut it...wasn't one of Bush's sharpest moments..."

I don't which is worse. the dancing or the double pun. :)

345 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:47:33pm

re: #326 Penguinchic

I really can't believe that Obama would go after gun owners. I just don't get it because it really would end up where only criminals have the guns. IIRC, a gun can be bought on the streets for about $30. Can someone please tell me why he wants so much gun control?

Australia?
England?

Ring any bells.

Liberals can't take responsibility or lay responsibility. Individuals in a liberal world are not responsible. If there are no guns (never mind the illogic for a moment) crime will go way down, since people won't be influenced by the guns.

346 LoFlyer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:47:37pm

re: #335 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Got to agree 100 percent Charles. Could it be the Bush adminisration is Islamo-whipped?

347 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:47:50pm

Charles,

President Bush said the same exact things four years ago about his regrets for the words he'd used during his first term. He said these things after he'd just won a national election.

How do these same words (spoken after he'd WON) count as surrender today?

348 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:48:00pm

re: #338 Ojoe

Sometimes detractors are best ignored; to engage may lend credence to their spurious accusations and, worse, lower you to their level.

Good Night, MissLL, and all other lizards.

But see! That's just the problem. They (Bush, etc.) ignore the detractors ALL the time...and then people start believing what is said. And just where did I learn this? From someone who is a WWII veteran.

Anyway, good night Ojoe.

349 rollingdivision  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:48:29pm

At the end of the day liberals understand the founding fathers purpose for including the right to bear arms in the constitution, making sure if it ever came to it the citizens would have the fire power to take out a bad government. So realizing what gun rights are about liberals are against our rights because they want to eliminate the public having the fire power to forcibly change the government. Once you've got the guns gathered up the citizens, not being fools, will temper their behavior and be more docile and cooperative. It's all about power.

350 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:48:35pm

re: #342 karmic_inquisitor

FYI - while we sh*t on McCain and Bush, John Edwards is staging a comeback.

Thank you for reminding me of my own regrets... I regret that I didn't cast my primary ballot for John Edwards. Perhaps if more of us had done that, we'd all feel a lot more secure about the next four years (because that particular bastard wouldn't have won the general election).

Oh well. I voted for Hillary. I tried.

351 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:48:40pm

re: #318 Mich-again

works every time!

352 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:49:07pm

Is there an official count on the death toll for all the terrorists/insurgents/activists/safe house dwellers/gunmen loyal to/militia/fighters/bombers for the last 8 years? I would guess, oh I don't know 100,000? Good shootin Tex!

But during that time, even more civilian Muslims have been killed by the very Jihadis we've been killing off before we could get to them.

353 Defogger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:49:40pm

re: #349 rollingdivision

At the end of the day liberals understand the founding fathers purpose for including the right to bear arms in the constitution, making sure if it ever came to it the citizens would have the fire power to take out a bad government. So realizing what gun rights are about liberals are against our rights because they want to eliminate the public having the fire power to forcibly change the government. Once you've got the guns gathered up the citizens, not being fools, will temper their behavior and be more docile and cooperative. It's all about power.

Disgusting! But true.

354 J.S.  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:49:53pm

re: #350 Last Mohican

Ahem! And who was going for John Edwards, eh? I was! Yeah!

355 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:50:34pm

re: #326 Penguinchic

"To better control us, my pretty."

It's the first tool of tyranny.

356 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:51:05pm

re: #326 Penguinchic

I really can't believe that Obama would go after gun owners. I just don't get it because it really would end up where only criminals have the guns. IIRC, a gun can be bought on the streets for about $30. Can someone please tell me why he wants so much gun control?

Only one word is important in that question "Control" and is the answer.

357 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:51:26pm

re: #310 J.S.

This bears repeating:

Check out CNN for the year 2005 -- in an interview Bush expressed regrets about his word choices...From 2005: Dana Bash, CNN, "Now the election is behind him, and the president is giving a series of pre-inauguration interviews where he is coming up with a few examples of errors in the way he used language, vowing to be more careful with words in the next four years. He cited both the infamous "dead or alive" quote about getting Osama bin Laden in the days after 9/11, and also saying, "bring it on" in reference to the Iraqi insurgency just heating up then as poor choices of words."

He said this four years ago after he'd won.

He's added no new words to regret from the last four years.

So, he took his own advice (after having won) and didn't repeat what he'd regretted after winning in 2004.

This is a crucial point!

358 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:52:10pm

re: #345 jcm

Gun control has never been about fighting crime but about the ability of a bad government to retain power by controlling the power the people have over their lives.

359 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:52:34pm

re: #290 Charles

Video: Bush Does the Sword Dance.

That video is the perfect accompaniment to some pictures of a WaPo article I chanced upon this morning. I had taken pictures of the front page of WaPo this past January so that I would remember to look up the article later.

Among other transgressions of the Bush Doctrine, the article titled Bush Alters Stand on Palestinians
Compensation Backed to Address Refugee Issue; President Again Urges
Israel to End 'Occupation
contains:

- Bush using the word "occupation" to describe Israel/Palestinian situation
- Bush supporting compensation for the Palis who left when Israel was created
- Bush supporting an end to this so-called occupation
- Bush supporting a contiguous Palestinian state
- Bush said he could "understand why the Palestinians are
frustrated driving through checkpoints."

Sure, there was support for Israel as a Jewish state mixed in among all that garbage, but don't let anyone say that Bush has followed his own doctine.

360 Old Engineer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:53:11pm

George W. Bush is a good man. I have met and talked with him personally. He looks you straight in the eye, and I like that.
From the start the vicious left hounded him. "He didn't win the election.either of them." When clearly he did. "He Lied." When clearly he was relying on information he trusted. "He knew 9/11 was about to happen." When there is not one speck of evidence. "There were no weapons of mass destruction." When such weapons were clearly used by Hussein to murder untold thousands of his own contrymen. And when hundreds of tons of yellowcake, the basic material for a nuclear bomb, and the substance used as is for creating a dirty bomb, were found in Hussein's possession. "He is stupid, can't even give a speech withoit stumbling." When he graduated from one of the world's premier educational institutions, one which nearly all of us could never even be admitted, and that includes virtually all his detractors. Speeches? Listen to the guy who is now going to be our President. He sputters and gasps like a drowning man when his teleprompters are absent, and, even when he does get the words out, they often seem to not be his own thoughts.
George W. Bush was victimized by his own political party at times. He was constantly victimized by the print media. He had not one moment of favor during his whole eight years from the forces arayed against him. A lesser man would have folded up.
Our new president has the advantage of being a so-called African-American. Anyone saying anything against Obama will find the entire bloc of Democrats, and the fifty percent of us on the public's back, saying the criticisms are racist at their root, and are therefore unjust and not entitled to any weight at all.
Obama will be our President. He will be mine. Like it or not, I will be adversely affected by his actions. I just hope he and his party do not ruin so much of my savings that I too have to depend on him for the necessities of life. His allies, Barney Frank, Jamie Gorlick, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and company have already started things rolling in that direction.
And when the U.S. Supreme Court gets realigned so there are six justices the likes of Souter and Ginsberg, this country will no longer be bound to constitutional law, for the Constitution will have been superceded.
God help us.........Old Engineer

361 Kulhwch  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:53:13pm

re: #114 Charles

I'm going to bow out of this discussion. I'm very very disappointed in these statements, and I should probably just keep it to myself.

Nothing says you have to participate, but you might want to keep an eye on us for all that.  With all due respect, though I do understand how you might grow weary of us from time to time.  Still, this might bear some watching.

}:)     [Methinks we have some catharsis happening here.]

362 LoFlyer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:53:24pm

re: #352 Mich-again

Is there an official count on the death toll for all the terrorists/insurgents/activists/safe house dwellers/gunmen loyal to/militia/fighters/bombers for the last 8 years? I would guess, oh I don't know 100,000? Good shootin Tex!

But during that time, even more civilian Muslims have been killed by the very Jihadis we've been killing off before we could get to them.

That's a big reason why we are winning the war on terror mate. Once the Muslim population realized it was Al Quaada doing all the killing and the American's doing all the protecting things began to turn around. It's not just the surge in Iraq, it is a change of attitude of the Muslim population towards terrorism.

363 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:53:30pm

re: #359 SeafoodGumbo

What actually is the Bush doctrine, anyway?

364 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:53:50pm

re: #345 jcm

Like in England --where actual crime hasn't gone down, just the reports of it to the Home Office?

/gah!

365 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:54:26pm

re: #363 Last Mohican

re: #359 SeafoodGumbo

What actually is the Bush doctrine, anyway?

Charlie Gibson just felt a tingle up his leg. :)

366 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:55:06pm

re: #362 LoFlyer

An interesting hypothesis. And one that runs counter to the Obama Doctrine, which seems to state that the cause of terrorism is our failure to give the terrorists enough money.

367 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:55:09pm

re: #364 ggt

Like in England --where actual crime hasn't gone down, just the reports of it to the Home Office?

/gah!

England actually is the highest crime capital in Europe

368 pat  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:55:14pm

re: #290 Charles

He should have gone straight into Kill Bill and wipe the parasites off the earth. Well it would make a good Monty Python sketch at least.

369 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:55:25pm

re: #360 Old Engineer

That immediately ranks as a favorite comment.

370 wright1  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:55:51pm

re: #357 Adina in Judea

Talk about giving gifts to the percieved enemy is shortsighted. There is a much larger picture here. Namely history. Some are interpreting admissions that he could have taken other directions as weakness. it is not. Humility is President Bush's greatest strength. It always was. The jingoistic bravado is what got him into trouble. History will be much kinder to him.

371 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:55:56pm

re: #363 Last Mohican

What actually is the Bush doctrine, anyway?

You're either with us or with the terrorists.

372 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:56:10pm

re: #358 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gun control has never been about fighting crime but about the ability of a bad government to retain power by controlling the power the people have over their lives.

That's true for the hard core gun control advocates. But a lot of other buy into the "safety" argument out of ignorance.

373 dkorta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:56:15pm

re: #310 J.S.

> Check out CNN for the year 2005 -- in an interview Bush expressed
> regrets about his word choices...From 2005: Dana Bash, CNN, "Now
> the election is behind him, and the president is giving a series of pre-> inauguration interviews where he is coming up with a few examples of > errors in the way he used language, vowing to be more careful with
> words in the next four years. He cited both the infamous "dead or
> alive" quote about getting Osama bin Laden in the days after 9/11,
> and also saying, "bring it on" in reference to the Iraqi insurgency just > heating up then as poor choices of words."

If this is true, and I seem to recall this, it makes sense that Bush would repeat it now. How could he not? If he took the stance now that he had no regrets, the media would dig this up and call him a liar. So he threw them a bone that's been worked over for years.

374 LEGION  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:56:22pm

I regret he's giving his regrets on CNN - the Communist News Network! WTF?! Stay the hell away from those and other backstabbers! Don't waste your breath on them Chief! Geez Louise. Also, Veto the demonrat bills, protect the border from illegal alien invaders, stop giving entitlements and all will be well!

375 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:56:34pm

re: #346 LoFlyer

Got to agree 100 percent Charles. Could it be the Bush adminisration is Islamo-whipped?


Would you rather she have been stoned?
You don't go into another country as a representive of the US and disrespect it's culture while you are there. Sorry if this pi$$es some of you off but that is not done. No matter that we cannot stand what is going on over there, Laura Bush could not have stood up and denounced those practices on their soil. You work over here to change things as she has done but you don't do that.
Just remember what we all wanted to do to dinnerjacket when he came here and we are a 'civilized' group of people.

376 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:56:55pm

re: #367 MissLL

got stats on that? linky please --I keep a collection of such information.

377 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:57:05pm

re: #360 Old Engineer

I have to agree with virtually all you said except there being not one speck of evidence for 9/11. There was evidence but it was so highly compartmentalized and no institutional guidelines were allowed for assimilation of such diverse amounts of data. There were specks, just not credible ones people would stake lives and careers over. :)

378 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:57:34pm

re: #371 SeafoodGumbo

You're either with us or with the terrorists.

There are actually several different interpretations of the Bush doctrine, which is why the whole thing questioning Palin was such a farce - I don't think even Charles Gibson knows what it is...

379 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:57:36pm

re: #363 Last Mohican

The definite definition from the person that coined the phrase.

380 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:58:11pm

re: #370 wright1

re: #357 Adina in Judea

Talk about giving gifts to the percieved enemy is shortsighted. There is a much larger picture here. Namely history. Some are interpreting admissions that he could have taken other directions as weakness. it is not. Humility is President Bush's greatest strength. It always was. The jingoistic bravado is what got him into trouble. History will be much kinder to him.

Agreed!

Thanks!

381 MacGregor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:58:13pm

Bush is showing some humility. This is the pic that will remind me of Bush in the future.

382 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:58:19pm

re: #371 SeafoodGumbo

Is that the Bush doctrine? I thought maybe it was the idea that seeding the Middle East with democracy would result in a sort of self-amplifying yearning for democracy in not-yet-democratic countries, and a popular desire for freedom rather than violence.

I feel like I've heard both referred to as "Bush doctrine."

383 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:58:50pm

re: #368 pat

Let the kid watch Kill Bill for the first time last week. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it again. LMAO at the Blonde Gargantuan fight seen in the trailer. I do like Tarrantino's work. Sick as it is.

384 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:59:12pm

re: #372 jcm

That's true for the hard core gun control advocates. But a lot of other buy into the "safety" argument out of ignorance.

Ignorance is easy at achieve, and people in the aggregate have been shown to be an ignorant lot at times.

385 wolfie  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:59:55pm

re: #318 Mich-again

Some of the very best managers I have worked for knew one thing about handling chaos and a disjointed workforce. Unite them by making them all hate the boss.

Oh, that's an interesting notion!I heard a baseball guy on the radio saying that is exactly how Billy Martin got his teams to work together in a spirit of unity!

386 Crusty  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 8:59:57pm

re: #326 Penguinchic

I really can't believe that Obama would go after gun owners. I just don't get it because it really would end up where only criminals have the guns. IIRC, a gun can be bought on the streets for about $30. Can someone please tell me why he wants so much gun control?

The key word is control. Democrats believe the government owns your life, not you, and all things should descend from government. Therefore government should control your personal defense, your wealth, your business, your job, your charitable contributions, your "volunteer" work, your mortgage, your carbon emissions, your health care arrangement, what books you can talk about on WGN radio, etc. All things should come from Father Government.

387 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:00:16pm

re: #335 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

In a way I think we were disagreeing with it. Laura wasn't wearing a burka, which in itself sends a message. But we can't just tell people "hey your treatment of women needs changing" without opening ourselves up to the same type of criticisms as well. Not to mention the fact they have a firm grip on the straw our country gulps energy from. I'm not saying that I'm disagreeing with you Charles, I don't agree with it. So how should we approach it?

388 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:00:43pm

re: #379 Metal Man

The definite definition from the person that coined the phrase.

Thanks! That truly was the definitive definition. Now I know (and Charlie Gibson still doesn't).

389 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:00:47pm

re: #373 dkorta

re: #310 J.S.

Check out CNN for the year 2005 -- in an interview Bush expressed regrets about his word choices...From 2005: Dana Bash, CNN, "Now the election is behind him, and the president is giving a series of pre-inauguration interviews where he is coming up with a few examples of errors in the way he used language, vowing to be more careful with words in the next four years. He cited both the infamous "dead or alive" quote about getting Osama bin Laden in the days after 9/11, and also saying, "bring it on" in reference to the Iraqi insurgency just heating up then as poor choices of words."

If this is true, and I seem to recall this, it makes sense that Bush would repeat it now. How could he not? If he took the stance now that he had no regrets, the media would dig this up and call him a liar. So he threw them a bone that's been worked over for years.

Absolutely!

Obama is the guy who shoots the bird at U.S. Senators.

President Bush shows the same humility in 2008 that he had already expressed in 2005 after winning the election.

390 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:00:47pm

re: #376 ggt

got stats on that? linky please --I keep a collection of such information.

Hey thanks, I don't have a link but I am pretty sure I read it in U.S. News and World Report - I used to live there, so I read stuff about England all the time and keep it tucked away in the "little grey cells"

391 gman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:01:30pm

re: #370 wright1

Talk about giving gifts to the percieved enemy is shortsighted. There is a much larger picture here. Namely history. Some are interpreting admissions that he could have taken other directions as weakness. it is not. Humility is President Bush's greatest strength. It always was. The jingoistic bravado is what got him into trouble. History will be much kinder to him.

That all depends on who controls "history"

392 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:01:56pm

re: #372 jcm

"common sense gun control" is already law --felons, adjudicated mental patients and minors cannot purchase weapons or ammo. No citizen really needs a nuclear weapon or land mines.

"Common-sense gun control" IMHO should include training at the High School level in use and care of firearms and the responsibility thereof.

but, that is just me.

393 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:02:12pm

re: #310 J.S.

Fact checking the Big Lizard ...gutsy.
Will we see an update?

394 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:02:18pm

re: #382 Last Mohican

Is that the Bush doctrine? I thought maybe it was the idea that seeding the Middle East with democracy would result in a sort of self-amplifying yearning for democracy in not-yet-democratic countries, and a popular desire for freedom rather than violence.

I feel like I've heard both referred to as "Bush doctrine."

It morphed as it went along, but basically it was that the 9-11 status quo was no longer acceptable, and the United States would do whatever it had to do to destroy terrorism. And the rest of the world had to choose a side.

395 mfarmer1  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:03:02pm

I voted for him twice. Who knows how history will ultimately view him, but his presidency overall has been a wreck with 9-11 and the financial meltdown as bookends to his eight years. No, it's not fair to blame him for everything and he's been one unlucky guy. He did however do a horrific job at explaining his policies, and I'm not just talking about his almost unbearable personal ability to communicate, but those he chose to represent his administration were equally bad. Rice was a joke and obviously spent too much time in the State Department reception rooms instead of formulating cogent policies dealing with friends and foes. Bush agreed (with a Republican Congress for six years) to spend our tax money in ways that I wouldn't have even imagined possible for Gore or Kerry. The war in Iraq was bungled for years until he decided to actually fight and win instead of appeasing those 7th century aficionados. His handling of the financial crisis however is where I have now officially joined the 76% who disapprove of his performance. What is happening now with these bailouts and payoffs and deals in unison with the Democrat Congress is his worst moment. I'm not looking forward to Obama, but I'm not going to miss Bush.

396 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:03:50pm

re: #310 J.S.

You rock!

Thanks very much for your post!

Ding!

397 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:04:01pm

re: #302 logboy

I think if Osama is captured and tried, Bush gets to throw the switch on the electric chair.

Actually I think the fact that Osama is dead will be suddenly declassified and used by the BO administration as an excuse to cease operations in the GWOT...

And declare a "peace dividend"...

And draw down the military...

And cancel defense and intel contracts....

And we all live happily ever after...

Until a major US city explodes....

398 Adrenalyn  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:04:06pm

re: #342 karmic_inquisitor

FYI - while we sh*t on McCain and Bush, John Edwards is staging a comeback.

and Bill Clinton, the only elected President ever impeached
is exhalted as a god, still and again and still

399 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:04:25pm

re: #390 MissLL

it is extremely difficult to compare US crime rates with the UK as the information is compiled and reported differently. IIRC, they have higher assault crimes, rapes, robberies, etc, but less death by firearm --which is all the MSM and number checkers seem to care about.

400 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:04:57pm

There are Brawling Monks upstairs? -------------------------->

401 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:05:02pm

re: #395 mfarmer1

Being able to criticize our own is what separates us from the left.

402 jcm  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:06:25pm

re: #384 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ignorance is easy at achieve, and people in the aggregate have been shown to be an ignorant lot at times.

The first purpose of the 2nd Amendment is so that population would be armed to keep the government from slipping into tyranny.

Ask around and find out how many people know that. Not many at all.

403 freedomplow  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:06:55pm

He was just trying to be conciliatory.

404 MissLL  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:07:30pm

re: #399 ggt

it is extremely difficult to compare US crime rates with the UK as the information is compiled and reported differently. IIRC, they have higher assault crimes, rapes, robberies, etc, but less death by firearm --which is all the MSM and number checkers seem to care about.

Hey, I was just saying that London's the highest crime capital in Europe. But when they start telling us to turn in our kitchen steak knives to the nearest local police station (like they do there in the UK) better worry!

Anyway, good night all Lizards...I'm off to bed...

405 Metal Man  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:07:52pm

re: #388 Last Mohican

Definitive was a better way to phrase it so I learned too.

406 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:07:58pm

re: #401 Sharmuta

re: #395 mfarmer1

Being able to criticize our own is what separates us from the left.

Barack Obama throws people under the bus.

There's no need for us to do it so that we can seem cool to ourselves.

407 LoFlyer  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:08:37pm

re: #375 newsjunkie_ky

Would you rather she have been stoned?
You don't go into another country as a representative of the US and disrespect it's culture while you are there. Sorry if this pi$$es some of you off but that is not done. No matter that we cannot stand what is going on over there, Laura Bush could not have stood up and denounced those practices on their soil. You work over here to change things as she has done but you don't do that.
Just remember what we all wanted to do to dinnerjacket when he came here and we are a 'civilized' group of people.

Got a joint Dude? As far as disrespecting Islamic culture naming Albricht and Rice as SOS was about as far as you can go disrespecting Islamic culture. No wonder foreign policy is a disaster in the ME! Islam has no respect for women and they are our primary negotiators in the ME foreign affairs.

408 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:09:39pm

re: #376 ggt

got stats on that? linky please --I keep a collection of such information.

You might try nationmaster, which ranks countries based on literally thousands of different statistics. In fact it looks like there are over a hundred statistics on crime alone.

The UK leads Europe in percentage of people victimized by one of eleven specific crimes (robbery, burglary, attempted burglary, car theft, car vandalism, bicycle theft, sexual assault, theft from car, theft of personal property, assault and threats).

The UK also leads Europe in total number of crimes, but not in crimes per capita.

409 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:10:11pm

re: #378 MissLL

There are actually several different interpretations of the Bush doctrine, which is why the whole thing questioning Palin was such a farce - I don't think even Charles Gibson knows what it is...

True. The common thread through the different, somewhat changing interpretations was that we were going to be active in taking the fight to our enemies. We would will the change into being. I think the overarching idea was that we faced an existential threat and we were going to destroy that threat, making no allowances for compromise with evil.

410 ggt  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:10:28pm

re: #408 Last Mohican

thank you!

411 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:10:57pm

re: #378 MissLL

Indeed, Palin's answer was the only correct one.

412 Thanos  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:12:19pm

Well this is a depressing development. I'm skipping the commentary, but I will leave one question.

Here's who we had to pick from in 2000, would any have done better?

413 Attaboid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:13:31pm

I trusted you. You wimped out.
/so sad

414 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:14:29pm

re: #412 Thanos

Well this is a depressing development. I'm skipping the commentary, but I will leave one question.

Here's who we had to pick from in 2000, would any have done better?

I'll stick with Bush. I still think history will be kind to him. Doesn't mean I'm not disappointed.

415 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:15:11pm

re: #413 Attaboid

I trusted you. You wimped out.
/so sad

He said the same things after he won in 2004.

Were you 'so sad' about his election victory back then, too?

416 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:16:33pm

re: #414 Sharmuta

I'll stick with Bush. I still think history will be kind to him. Doesn't mean I'm not disappointed.

Were you disappointed in 2005 when he said the same things after he'd won?

417 gman  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:16:45pm

re: #406 Adina in Judea

Barack Obama throws people under the bus.

There's no need for us to do it so that we can seem cool to ourselves.

Speaking of too cool. Are you too cool to explain yourself?

418 realwest  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:17:48pm

You know you all - I read Bush's comments and said to myself "So what?" Who among us - hell who among any President of the United States hasn't had regrets?
Did he lie to us about 9/11 - NO - I was there and I saw us get MUGGED by terrrorism less than 9 months into his Presidency. His intelligence agencies and the intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Egypt and Jordan all INDEPENDENTLY reached the conclussion that Hussein had WMDS. Based on that Collin Powell went to the UN and Bush went to the Congress and recieved approval for invading Iraq, NOT JUST BECAUSE of the WMDs, but to enforce the 17 or 19 blatant, outright violations of UN Sanctions again Iraq.
And, most importantly of all, we've had no more 9/11 attacks on the US since he's been President.Something for which I'll always be grateful and for which President Bush DOES deserve the credit. His kissing up to the Arab nations, espcially Saudi Arabia and the UAE was to make sure that the US got enough oil to maintain our economy and fight two wars concurrently AND TO TRY TO KEEP Saudi and UAE money from goint to Al-Queda.
Could Bush have done a better job as POTUS - sure, but he DIDN'T LIE TO US, HE KEPT US SAFE and he did it all while being the most viciously attacked President by the MSM and the "loyal" opposition that I can remember.
Don't y'all remember FISA - how the liberals and the MSM wailed and cried that we were "Wiretapping" people making overseas phone calls in order to protect Americans (FISA)? And don't y'all remember that Obama - after lying through his teeth and saying he wouldn't support that intrustion on our civil liberties, wound up voting FOR FISA?
President Bush saved us from another 9/11 because HE TOOK THE FIGHT TO THE ENEMY and kept them on the run and cut down on their ability to communicate and raise or obtain money to finance their operation.
I don't think he's a loser and I for sure don't feel that I'm a loser because I supported President Bush.

419 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:19:23pm

re: #418 realwest

President Bush saved us from another 9/11 because HE TOOK THE FIGHT TO THE ENEMY and kept them on the run and cut down on their ability to communicate and raise or obtain money to finance their operation.
I don't think he's a loser and I for sure don't feel that I'm a loser because I supported President Bush.

Wonderful post!

Thanks, realwest!

420 Promethea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:19:30pm

re: #371 SeafoodGumbo

You're either with us or with the terrorists.

I still think that's a great Doctrine. Easy to remember. I hope the Saudis understand what it means. They are very vulnerable.

421 Hobbes  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:20:07pm

re: #251 rawmuse

The Saudis should thank Allah for President Bush as well.
Because if I had been President, Mecca would have been just molten glass on Sept. 12, 2001.

My husband's words exactly on that very day.

422 Defogger  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:22:18pm

re: #392 ggt

"common sense gun control" is already law --felons, adjudicated mental patients and minors cannot purchase weapons or ammo. No citizen really needs a nuclear weapon or land mines.

"Common-sense gun control" IMHO should include training at the High School level in use and care of firearms and the responsibility thereof.

but, that is just me.

And me!

423 Hard Right  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:26:56pm

W, by not fighting back and punishing those who deserved and needed to be punished, you contributed to the problem.

When I was little my dad told me not to take any crap from a bully no matter how big he was. Even if he could kick my butt, I was to try and hurt him during the fight. That way, he'll think twice before messing with me in the future. If I didn't he, and all his friends would torment me until I did. My father was right. Once it was known that they'd better leave me alone unless they wanted a fight, they usually didn't bother me. A few insults here and there, but they didn't push it.

W and the Conservatives could learn something from Nixon and Hoover. While they were hated, the opposition also feared them. It was understood if you messed with them, you'd pay a price. Now I'm not saying we should use the dirty and possibly illegal tactics they did, just that you must respond forcefully.
W did not and the left ran rampant.

424 Intrepid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:27:17pm

re: #418 realwest

Yes sir - I totally agree with you on this.

425 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:30:26pm

re: #423 Hard Right

W, by not fighting back and punishing those who deserved and needed to be punished, you contributed to the problem.

So did we by not fighting back against the left wing and their BDS ourselves.

So, let's stand up for him now.

Bush kept us safe and he took all the heat in the world for it.

Thank you, President Bush!

426 Bos2112  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:33:42pm

I think the Republicans asking him to lay low during the elections really hurt him. The abuse from the Dems and the MSM he could handle, but being stabed in the back by his own party?

427 Promethea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:39:17pm

re: #418 realwest

You know you all - I read Bush's comments and said to myself "So what?" Who among us - hell who among any President of the United States hasn't had regrets?
Did he lie to us about 9/11 - NO - I was there and I saw us get MUGGED by terrrorism less than 9 months into his Presidency. His intelligence agencies and the intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Egypt and Jordan all INDEPENDENTLY reached the conclussion that Hussein had WMDS. Based on that Collin Powell went to the UN and Bush went to the Congress and recieved approval for invading Iraq, NOT JUST BECAUSE of the WMDs, but to enforce the 17 or 19 blatant, outright violations of UN Sanctions again Iraq.
And, most importantly of all, we've had no more 9/11 attacks on the US since he's been President.Something for which I'll always be grateful and for which President Bush DOES deserve the credit. His kissing up to the Arab nations, espcially Saudi Arabia and the UAE was to make sure that the US got enough oil to maintain our economy and fight two wars concurrently AND TO TRY TO KEEP Saudi and UAE money from goint to Al-Queda.
Could Bush have done a better job as POTUS - sure, but he DIDN'T LIE TO US, HE KEPT US SAFE and he did it all while being the most viciously attacked President by the MSM and the "loyal" opposition that I can remember.
Don't y'all remember FISA - how the liberals and the MSM wailed and cried that we were "Wiretapping" people making overseas phone calls in order to protect Americans (FISA)? And don't y'all remember that Obama - after lying through his teeth and saying he wouldn't support that intrustion on our civil liberties, wound up voting FOR FISA?
President Bush saved us from another 9/11 because HE TOOK THE FIGHT TO THE ENEMY and kept them on the run and cut down on their ability to communicate and raise or obtain money to finance their operation.
I don't think he's a loser and I for sure don't feel that I'm a loser because I supported President Bush.

Well said!

428 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:39:43pm

re: #426 Bos2112

Well, I think he understood that the Democrats had built up such a wall of BDS by 2008 that there wasn't going to be a way to knock it down by then.

We're all to blame for this on the right.

429 Ledger1  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:41:57pm

re: #10 jetprop

I too appreciate President Bush and what he has done for this country.

I do not appreciate CNN and what its done to harm our country.

When I read: “NEW YORK (CNN)”

I stopped reading and skipped to the Lgf comment section. I read the comments and some were very good.

I am sure if it is from CNN it is a biased piece.

I do not support CNN and I will not read their garbage.

430 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #420 Promethea

I still think that's a great Doctrine. Easy to remember. I hope the Saudis understand what it means. They are very vulnerable.

I doubt that Obama will force the issue much.

431 pbird  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:50:30pm

re: #30 mama winger

Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe. No President should have to face what you did, ever again.

You weren't perfect - no man is. But I never doubted that you loved your country, that you loved your family, that you loved the troops.

You are a man of grace and kindness, Never was there a hint of scandal, never was there an unkind word or a harsh gesture. You brought the Oval Office dignity and honor. Thank you, Mr. President.

Dang right!

432 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:51:43pm

Let's not kid ourselves, President Bush has been an unmitigated disaster.

The flotsam and jetsam that is the current Republican Party is largely his doing. Bush's "Compassionate conservatism" was little more than the wholesale abandonment of conservative principles.

While Bush was never the "Great Satan" the deranged left made him out to be, he was a woefully ineffective communicator and far too loyal to individuals who were demonstrably incompetent.

433 pbird  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:54:43pm

re: #46 Occasional Reader

And this, even less.

Yes, he is a tired man. Its ok to be tired after what he has been through.

434 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 9:56:15pm

re: #432 Dirk Diggler

Let's not kid ourselves, President Bush has been an unmitigated disaster.

Yes, let's not kid ourselves. America has been so much safer in the years after 9/11 that Al Qaeda has been doing nothing but whining in the last few years about how poorly they're doing.

Saddam wannabees were kept from having a $450 billion budget per year for their worldwide terrorism. Imagine what they could have done to us with this money (or what Saddam could have done if he'd been able to stay in power.)

It's the rest of us who have let him down.

We owe him a great deal of thanks instead.

435 pleaseandthankyou  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:10:48pm

Can someone explain to me why saying "I want Osama Bin Laden dead or alive" is a regrettable statement. Why would he retract that? What's regrettable is he never got him.

436 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:13:57pm

re: #435 pleaseandthankyou

Can someone explain to me why saying "I want Osama Bin Laden dead or alive" is a regrettable statement. Why would he retract that? What's regrettable is he never got him.

He only retracted the wording - not the sentiment.

437 pleaseandthankyou  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:18:31pm

re: #436 Adina in Judea

I see, you mean people criticized the cowboy cliche nature of the statement. That makes more sense.

438 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:22:21pm

re: #437 pleaseandthankyou

re: #436 Adina in Judea

I see, you mean people criticized the cowboy cliche nature of the statement. That makes more sense.

President Bush said he regretted the wording back in 2005 after winning his second term. He simply repeated the same thing today.

All of a sudden, it's a big deal.

When he said it after he won the 2004 election, it didn't matter.

439 Floral Giraffe  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:24:00pm

Thank you, President Bush, for your service to our great country.

440 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:26:56pm

re: #57 Maximu§

I would hope President Bush also regrets not defending the Haditha Marines accused of a massacre by that POS Murtha. He and Rumsfeld let them be thrown to the dogs.

+1000

441 pleaseandthankyou  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:27:12pm

re: #438 Adina in Judea

Yea, I heard it back then too and wondered about it. I've generally supported Bush, and given him the benefit of the doubt, but I do agree with a lot of comments here that fault him for being so inarticulate, such a bad communicator. In this instance he didn't communicate his first sentiment very well, and then didn't explain the retraction very well. I think it's a big deal now because all of the Bush haters are gloating and looking for signs of regret.

442 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:29:03pm

re: #135 Dar ul Harb

What you should regret, Mr. President, is not the words you chose, but the bills you did not veto.

(If you were trying to hoard your political capital for the war, you squandered it anyway.)

indeed

443 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:34:24pm

re: #441 pleaseandthankyou

re: #438 Adina in Judea

Yea, I heard it back then too and wondered about it. I've generally supported Bush, and given him the benefit of the doubt, but I do agree with a lot of comments here that fault him for being so inarticulate, such a bad communicator.

If I had to choose between someone who protects the country versus someone who is dashing with a teleprompter - I'm always going to go for the guy who can protect the country. I think it's shallow to care more about a speech than what someone can do to protect 300 million people.

In this instance he didn't communicate his first sentiment very well, and then didn't explain the retraction very well. I think it's a big deal now because all of the Bush haters are gloating and looking for signs of regret.

It's no excuse for people on the right to throw Bush under the bus, though.

He did so much for us while taking all the crap in the world for having the gall to protect us. It's shallow to fault him for his humility about three or four words, especially since he expressed this same humility after winning a national election four years ago.

444 docremulac  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:35:27pm

What I'd like to hear:

"I regret not realizing how many of my fellow countrymen are a bunch of sick assh*les that would actually lend moral and propaganda support to the islamofascists killing our soldiers just so their little Democrat party could win the next election."

445 pleaseandthankyou  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:37:31pm

re: #443 Adina in Judea

I think my comments and yours are not necessarily in conflict. In other words, I basically agree with you.

446 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:38:17pm

re: #445 pleaseandthankyou

Thanks!

447 useless  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:39:49pm

I know that President Bush is tired and has had a long 8 years. This is just the start. Wait for The Lord And Savior and his pet congress to bring President Bush up on war crimes. If the liberals have their way, he'll be hanging at a gallows in the Hague before a cheering crowd of the followers of the savior of the world.

//My useless prediction

448 pleaseandthankyou  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:41:50pm

It would have been nice, though, to have had a President who was as ballsy as Bush and as clearly spoken and eloquent as, say Tony Blair. Can't have everything I guess, and I'm with you on priorities.

449 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:45:33pm

re: #280 logboy

Do you honestly think Al "I Invented the Earth" Gore would have taken that action? Never would have happened. He would have pulled a Clinton move "we are closely monitoring the situation". Then he would have preached how 9/11 was destroying the environment before retreating to his $2400 a month energy consuming mansion.

Yes, it is important to remember the only alternative was Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004. My aunt was just railing against Arnold Schwartzenegger because he "took all the money out of the schools" or some such...and I reminded her that the alternative was Villagairosa. She suddenly appreciated Arnold much more.

BUT, Bush's mistakes did cost the GOP the congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008. His Sec Treas, Fed Chairman, and hand-picked SEC Chairman screwed the pooch royally...and if he had told his GOP congress from 2002 to 2006 that he was going to veto every single porkfest that came across his desk, and held their feet to the fire over the spending, I think the GOP would have held in 2006.

And his Dept of Justice showed zero interest in ACORN and Obama's overseas and fraudulent fundraising.

450 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:50:39pm

re: #449 funky chicken

BUT, Bush's mistakes did cost the GOP the congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008.

More conservative voters need to understand the consequences of not voting.

451 Colonel Panik  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:57:46pm

re: #425 Adina in Judea

So did we by not fighting back against the left wing and their BDS ourselves.

So, let's stand up for him now.

Bush kept us safe and he took all the heat in the world for it.

Thank you, President Bush!

You are exactly right Adina. Too many of us assumed that just by thinking good thoughts and praying for him that it would do the trick. That the BDS enraged hordes of the left and the "nattering nabobs of negativism" (as Spiro Agnew once called them) in the MSM would not influence what we hoped was the common sense of our non-political neighbors and friends. Too many of us kept our tongues leashed around the company water cooler, not wanting to make waves and cause an "HR issue." And we all thought that if we just did our jobs and supported our families that the leftist idiots making noise in the streets would amount to nothing.

We were wrong. The Right needs to take to the streets. The MSM should fear every dawn until the next election.

Bitter Clingers, arise!

452 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:58:48pm

re: #451 Colonel Panik

Thanks!

453 CharlieBravo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:59:41pm

His only mistake was listening to his wife - or anyone else who told him not to lay it on the line.

454 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 10:59:41pm

re: #451 Colonel Panik

At the very least, conservatives have got to start voting more consistently.

455 kynna  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:00:53pm

If the reaction to those words hadn't been so hysterical, I doubt he'd be retracting them. It's disappointing that he's doing it now.

I think his true regret is that he didn't realize the msm and the democrats hated him more than they loved America.

But taking back those statements is not necessary. Maybe he's tired and a little broken, but dang, I'd have punched some of those metrosexual effers in the face about twenty times by now. Talk about scandal.

(((((W)))))

456 Colonel Panik  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:00:56pm

re: #454 Adina in Judea

At the very least, conservatives have got to start voting more consistently.

Amen to that.

And lest anyone think I am advocating violence in my post I am not...but we do need to be just as loud and in your face as the left, or things are not going to change.

457 CharlieBravo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:01:02pm

re: #454 Adina in Judea

At the very least we have to have some real conservatives to vote for.

458 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:09:31pm

re: #457 CharlieBravo

re: #454 Adina in Judea

At the very least we have to have some real conservatives to vote for.

Whether we do or not, we can't sit by while socialism takes over instead.

I remember hearing Rush Limbaugh say (shortly after Sarah Palin was announced as the VP choice) that it doesn't do us any good to let the Democrats win because we don't like our own candidates enough (referring to John McCain, not Sarah Palin.) He didn't put it precisely like that, but it was something along those lines.

It's lazy to sit back and wait to see who shows up in the primaries and then to wait to see who wins so that we can wait to see if we should show up at the voting booth.

I remember worrying about the 2006 election in 2005 because it just seemed that conservatives were being too critical of the Republicans in office. Did it help us for the Democrats to win? Of course not. We helped them, though, as a group.

459 big L  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:21:01pm

66 Garycooper--I thought it was Disraeli that stated
never apologize,never explain

460 CharlieBravo  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:23:07pm

re: #458 Adina in Judea

Whether we do or not, we can't sit by while socialism takes over instead.

I remember hearing Rush Limbaugh say (shortly after Sarah Palin was announced as the VP choice) that it doesn't do us any good to let the Democrats win because we don't like our own candidates enough (referring to John McCain, not Sarah Palin.) He didn't put it precisely like that, but it was something along those lines.

It's lazy to sit back and wait to see who shows up in the primaries and then to wait to see who wins so that we can wait to see if we should show up at the voting booth.

I remember worrying about the 2006 election in 2005 because it just seemed that conservatives were being too critical of the Republicans in office. Did it help us for the Democrats to win? Of course not. We helped them, though, as a group.

A left leaning republican over a real democrat? It took a Carter to get a Reagan. Conservatives are tired of compromising for the sake of compromising. Republicans squandered their place at the helm. They'll get it back when they stop pandering to the left.

461 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:48pm

re: #460 CharlieBravo

A left leaning republican over a real democrat? It took a Carter to get a Reagan. Conservatives are tired of compromising for the sake of compromising. Republicans squandered their place at the helm. They'll get it back when they stop pandering to the left.

Voters choose Presidential candidates in party primaries.

When the process has ended up with a less than totally conservative candidate, it compounds the mistake to refuse to vote in the actual election.

462 cutting edge  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:52pm

re: #458 Adina in Judea

Thank you for your spirited and well reasoned defense of President Bush.

God bless him

The magnitude of his success defending the country will only be understood in years to come. I hope he lives long enough to receive the gratitude of the American People.

CE

463 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:39:35pm

re: #462 cutting edge

re: #458 Adina in Judea

Thank you for your spirited and well reasoned defense of President Bush.

God bless him

The magnitude of his success defending the country will only be understood in years to come. I hope he lives long enough to receive the gratitude of the American People.

Thanks - I hope so, too!

464 Topspin Lob  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:03:52am

Bush Words I regret the Most: "Welcome to the White House, Mr. Obama."

(did anyone else feel that rush of cold air?)

465 mjbrutus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:46:32am

Thank you President Bush for the things you did well. I count among those your reduction of taxation and your decision to prosecute the GWOT.

No doubt "mistakes were made" in the prosecution of our war in Iraq. As I see it, the primary mistake was placing the State Dept in charge far too soon, replacing the military and martial law until the nation was pacified to a much greater extent first. Much has been made of the surge, but the real surge was the arrival of the 2 boots on the ground that were filled by Gen Patraeus!

Iraq has and will be viewed as a "war of choice" for a long time because the President did a terrible job of communicating why it was necessary. Sure, a hostile media was culpable in distorting what was said, but primarily Bush's biggest weakest was his inability to communicate clearly our need to go to war. Instead of talking about stock piles of WMDs, he needed to talk about the cat and mouse game Saddam was playing. He needed to talk about much more about our enemy being much broader than UBL and broader than AQ. He needed to talk about Saddam's complicity with Islamic terrorists other than AQ. About how Saddam was trying to wait us out (using bribery and diplomacy), knowing that we could not keep 250,000 soldiers in the ME indefinitely and that without them Saddam would no longer respond to international pressure for inspections and no longer would he be "contained".

Reducing taxes was his saving grace on our economy. But he was at his worst when he turned his back on conservatism and allowed his "compassion" win out. No child left behind, comprehensive immigration reform, prescription drug entitlements and these massive bailouts are also squarely on his shoulders. And the way things work in DC, when the Elephants over spend and over promise, that just gives the Donkeys license to do the same many times over. We hear it already, with the pretense of PayGO being discarded entirely.

466 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:52:01am

People have short memories. Bush's had 90% approval ratings during the time those comments were made. "Thank goodness Al Gore didn't win" was a common theme heard around the country.

467 flutesnoot  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:31:03am

God bless George Bush. If for nothing else than bringing pain, misery and despair to the moonbats of the world.

469 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:32:18am

I certainly hope in my lifetime, George Bush will be remembered fondly. I never stopped supporting him and liking him as POTUS. Thank You, George. You will be missed.

470 Wild Knight  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:59:14am

I too, from the bowels of Europe, want to say thank you to President Bush. I always admired him and, I don't care what anyone says, many of his post-September 11 phrases and statements were inspirational and indeed the only source of consolation in those dark days. It took a particular kind of man to steer the world in the aftermath of that black crime and President Bush showed the bastards that America has steel in her backbone and that you can spit at the eagle but the eagle will tear you to pieces in turn. Above all, President Bush has had one of the most successful presidencies on record: after 9/11 he lost not a single one of the people entrusted to him on his own soil. For his passivity in the past two years, thank the elections of 2006.

It is my belief and hope that future historians will do proper justice to this unjustly maligned man. Such rehabilitation cannot come too soon for me.

471 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:33:37am

Pres. Bush is going to look much better after we spend time with Pres. Obama for a year or two.

Here's what to expect:

A totally crashed economy after higher taxes, forced civilian service, an indoctrinated youth, and throw is a terror attack or two after Obama has lowered our defenses.

Oh, and missiles pointed at us from Cuba.....


We will revel in the "Bush Days."

472 WeddingGuy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:38:40am

We allowed an honest man to be beaten down. I feel ashamed and a bit sick.

473 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:38:59am
474 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:49:32am
475 bkgodfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:21am

Though there are several policies and decisions (Bailout Boondoggle being the latest), I have always liked President Bush for his being honest, both with Americans and himself. How many other Presidents, while still in office nonetheless, would come out and admit something as hot and "politically explosive" as the "Mission Accomplished" speech?

I fear the Oval Office character(ometer) will be tanking come this January.

476 loggiedog  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:06:40am

I think Obama will be held to very high standards, and if he doesn't act quickly and do what the MSM and his staunchest supporters want him to do, then he too, will become a lame duck. Therefore it would be best to decide how GWB did after Obama's first term in office.

477 Old Engineer  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:09:02am

Charles, Is there some way to get the list of all these responses to President Bush? I think that might flatten out a wrinkle or two on his face.
Old Engineer

478 paybacktime  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:34:30am

I LOVE Laura Bush!

She makes George W. Bush a BETTER MAN.

God Bless Laura and George Bush.

479 olivia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:36:27am

good for pres Bush
the one to follow him promptly blabbed the one's version of the monday meeting-once again the goodness of Presbush(the maturity) shows up- "iwish i hadn't said stuff"- will the one hear/ understand/learn?
i watched the Intrepid ceremony yesterday- our pres given a freedom award- gave best speech ever- there was a fire/passion in his eyes, his words- (watched on cspan2)- he was funny(rangel/clinton there, what else could he do)- the story of the Intrepid retold- would have been wonderful as the story of the day for americans- but lashing out in fear as usual on a hallowed day,pelosi does her bit about carmakers- the press moves on-
i hope the one doesn't have to make a speech like presbush made yesterday, one made from 7yrs of leading america in a war- and at this time i see no indication of the man that presbush is in the one- so that comes together- pres bush has strengthened us/we have strenghtened him- you get the feeling presbush, upon being elected, picked up a copy of the constitutuion to see what the pres is supposed to do- and that's what he did- good for him, good for freedom

480 right Brain  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:22am

I live down the street from a 16 acre hole in the middler of Manhattan that has "Clinton administration security" written all over it.

I am glad that we went seven years without being attacked again which I ascribe entirely to the proactive policies of the Bush administration, that I didn't again spend awful days and nights bagging body parts.

Those that believe that this security happened by accident, or even more delusional, that there were no other attacks planned, are about to be taught the lesson of their life.

481 ddd  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:24:48am

Mistakes
1) Believing that democracy will transform Muslim population to civilize behavior. Full naval blockade of and aerial bombing was a good option for Iraq. The Saudi should be force to live with the original deal they signed with Armco and all additional money above $1 per barrel retroactively should be used as compensation to countries have been affected by the terrorist country of Saudi Arabia and other petrodollar owe to the civilize world. Retroactive means that Saudi would have to give up everything it currently owns.
Get the USA out of UN.
2) Not coming down hard on illegal immigration
3) Supporting racial quota candidate. Think Colin Powell who messed up the first Gulf war by stopping it before the Republican Guard was utterly defeated. The various revolt in 1991 would have succeeded and you would have had removed Saddam. In addition if Sunni and Shiites want to kill each other, it keeps them busy from attacking the civilize world.
4) Shut down the department of Education, instead of no child left behind. If you kid is a moron $500,000 of special education will only make them a moron who can make a macramé project.
5) No drug benefit for Medicare.
6) Some people are just not capable of owing a house and paying for it instead get rid of CRP (community reinvestment project). The banks would not be in this mess if CRP did not exist.

482 proud to be an infidel  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:08am

The loony left criticizes these "cowboy" type statements that President Bush makes but yet North Korea says crap like "We will turn your country into a sea of blood" and nutjob over in Iran says "There will be a swift and devastating response to any attack on Iran" and nobody in the media will chastise those type of bellicose statements but they certainly did when President Bush said anything halfway assertive. I, personally, would prefer a tough talking President instead of this "We're not like them" kind of crap!

483 ASU86PE  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:50am

re: #17 Charles
El Cid!

484 Classic Conservative  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:01am

Thank you President Bush for your tremendous service. History will be forced to judge you on your merits even if your current enemies refuse to. Keep your head high, you deserve it.

485 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:02am

Thanks for fighting the war, Mr. President. That was, in the end, the most important thing.

There's plenty I could complain about, but it's all secondary to national security.

486 WhatDoIKnow  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:44am

re: #16 sadhu

he seems like a deer in headlights these days

I disagree, I think he is man that tried to fight the battles's and gave his all and now realizes it is someone else's burden. Thank you W and may god keep you and protect you.

487 stanleymberg  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:04:13am

I say this all as a Democrat (or former Democrat, maybe)...I didn't leave my party, my party left me (to quote Reagan).

Thank you, George W. Bush. Thank you for keeping America safe and for fighting necessary and just wars. Thank you for being the best friend in the White House that Israel ever had. Thank you for being the best friend in the White House that Africa ever had (just ask Bob Geldof or Bono...they'll vouch for this). Thank you for being a decent man whose heart has always been in the right place, even when your policies haven't hit the mark.

After 8 years of hearing himself called "a chimp" and being compared to Hitler, this man has demonstrated extraordinary grace and courage. Harry Truman left the White House as an extremely unpopular president too. Being right and being popular often are mutually exclusive in our spoiled-little-baby, me-first, bandwagon-jumping society. Screw them, Mr. Bush. You were a good president. And Saddam Hussein and a whole lot of terrorists are dead too. Well done, sir.

488 stanleymberg  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:06:20am

ps. I share the hope expressed above that Charles can perhaps get this comment thread over to the White House so that President Bush can see that so many of us appreciate what he's done. It would make the Angry Left so much more angry. That would be a delightful thing.

489 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:08:53am

No worries President Bush - when it comes to bad joke utterances, Mr obama will top you. He's already topped you.

Obama flipped us all the byrd fer crying out loud.

490 Yashmak  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:11:25am

Bush can console himself in the knowledge that, as much ranting and raving aimed at him, Americans still think he's doing a better job than congress.

He can also look forward to the next 4 years, as the Democrats will have an increasingly difficult time using him as a scapegoat for everything under the sun.

491 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:16:21am

At least W understands we live in a dangerous world.

"The Chicago one" doesn't understand dick. "The Chicago one" only comprehends his own importance. Screw the rest of us. All while his precious democrats screw us over with corruption and typical democrat tax hikes.

492 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:20:25am

the is a CNN story - CNN peeps. Spin. agenda. spin.

493 Throbert McGee  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:26:04am

re: #436 Adina in Judea

He only retracted the wording - not the sentiment.

I was about to say almost exactly the same thing, but then I had a hunch that someone had probably beaten me too it, so I did a Ctrl+F search on "sentiment." I'm certain that what Mr. Articulate (G-d love 'im) was trying to say is that he regrets having expressed himself in ways that ending up providing free rhetorical ammunition to his detractors.

494 Daisy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:29:59am

re: #5 rawmuse

That's OK, Chief. I still like you, and I've got your picture on my mantle, with your signed Christmas card. You did as well as a man could do, you played the hand you were dealt.

Regrets? everyone has them.

I really like what you have to say. Appreciate the way you said it and also the significance. I also agree w/you. I only hope that Obama has enough humility, buried somewhere in all that arrogance, to be able to admit his mistakes, but I don't think he does.

495 kansas  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:30:21am

Be nice for once if he'd give em the finger and tell them kiss his ass. Course he could have his speech writers make it all nicey nice. Look what the media has gotten us. The fuckers.

496 Daisy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:33:57am

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

The MSM was probably hoping for something much more juicier.

Here's hoping president-elect 0bama will be twice as beaten a man in half the time.

Yeah. Bush committing Hari Kari would have made them happy.

497 Throbert McGee  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:12am

re: #432 Dirk Diggler

Let's not kid ourselves, President Bush has been an unmitigated disaster.

Um, are you talking about foreign policy, or domestic policy?

498 croob  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:31am

God Bless you President Bush. You kept the country you love and its people safe. You truly mourned with those who mourned and rejoiced with those who rejoiced. Half of this country hated you because of it and you still seem to harbor no grudge.

This new guy will keep the country and people he cares nothing for at arms length and will mourn and rejoice over nothing but his own image. We've elected a pure narcissist in the true African tradition. We're in the shitter.

499 kansas  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:44:19am
The MSM was probably hoping for something much more juicier.

Here's hoping president-elect 0bama will be twice as beaten a man in half the time.

Yes, those daily tongue baths are going to be quite exhausting for the affirmative action president.

500 Dartmouth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:47:56am

I lost count how many times he's answered the "what do you regret" question. The media just loves to ask him that. His answers are the same every time, as they should be, and the MSM acts like it's "breaking news" (CNN's top story today).

501 HDrepub  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:20:24am

I am thankful to George W. Bush for keeping us safe for the last seven yrs since 9/11. What I am displeased with him about is his reluctance to fight back against the constant slander perpetrated against him by the MSM and the loony leftards. Bush lied people died, tax cuts were only for the rich and yada yada. Republicans are always accused of being nasty and negative but in my opinion they are too nice to their opponents. The left was never going to like him anyway so why even make one second's attempt to placate the nattering nabobs of negativism. He could have stuck up for those who supported him more, but it seems like he just plodded on oblivious to the hatred expressed constantly towards him.

If I were him I would call a press conference, lay out what I tried to do for America, and for those who didn't appreciate it, give the middle finger, and say fuck ya'll I'm gone to Texas.

502 HDrepub  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:21:48am

re: #501 HDrepub

If I were him I would call a press conference, lay out what I tried to do for America, and for those who didn't appreciate it, give the middle finger, and say fuck ya'll I'm gone to Texas.


But that's just me, and George W. Bush is not me.

503 SagamoreGal  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:26:37am

As a former fan of GWB's and one who worked her fanny off for him during the '04 campaign, I do feel bad that I hold him in such low esteem now.

It's hard to defend a man who won't defend himself. It's sad, almost tragic, to watch him beg, crawl, plead with Democrats to work with him and, god forbid, to even like him.

GWB's biggest fault was that the man never could communicate his thoughts properly. We need a Churchill after Sept 11, a leader who would talk EVERY day to the American public. Instead, all he could really communicate to us was that we needed to shop, to keep our economy going.

The future of the Republican party will seem 1000 points of light brighter the moment that man turns over the keys to Obama.

504 wiffersnapper  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:36:58am

I'd vote for him again if I had the chance!

505 strangelove  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:54:22am

re#432-
I held my nose and voted for Bush twice, to stave of the madness of Algore and then Lurch.

In my 20/20 hindsight, I wish I would have voted for Kerry, since it is Bush's complete incompetence that gave us Obama, and his total disregard for conservatives that gave us McCain. Had Kerry been potus now, he would have been that much easier to defeat than the Magic Negro.

While it's nice to play the '9/11, we're still safe' card, that's the only dog-eared card in W's hand, to this day. As true as it is, there is more to governance than just continuing to beat over the head with the terrorism stick.

Bush has been a total failure. There is just no more to discuss. We are still in this war that will result in an islamic victory the second we leave-and you all know it-, we have open borders because of Bush's pals in business, he grew the size of government more than any commie-lib could ever dream of, and we now have the greatest financial crisis, that while he is not responsible for, he certainly should have had people telling him it was coming. Hell, we all knew the housing bubble was poison 2-3 years ago.

Yeah, I've got regrets too, Dummy: having voted for your sorry ass. You are no conservative. Now go to Crawford and and start drinking again. At least you know how to do that..

506 thurston  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 10:02:52am

President Bush is a great man who never deserved the hatred thrown at him. Now the haters have got their man elected. Here comes real problems.

507 cosmo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 10:06:33am

Now, if only the unhinged lefties would regret some of the things they'd said (like Jack Murtha (cold blood...), Barack Obama (air-raiding villages), Olbermann ["how dare you, SIR!"]).

Sorry, Pres. Bush, your class and dignity will not be reciprocated by your opponents, who only take it as a sign of weakness and/or capitulation.

508 katemaclaren  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 10:20:20am

Well, I am just a lowly professor, with no clout at all. I didn't have the responsibility for the safety of of 300 million Americans half of whom hated me. I am a Christian, but I wonder if there is another exit or plan B when I say to the Lord: "Thy will be done.." It's easy to say the things I am seeing here, now, damned with faint praise, GWB. I don't see those of you who seem to think you can do it better--stepping up. It's interesting to me to see that now Bush is going going almost gone, the sabers are being rattled in Russia, Cuba and wherever else. This, they would not have done if he were to remain in charge. I lived in Europe and Australia for almost 20 years (including the miserable socialist Britain days in England and from afar watched the horrible Jimmy Carter days). The US was a paper tiger. Impotent. When we finally had a MAN in charge of this country and some smack down was delivered--the demons backed into their cages--snarling turning to whining. Now, they smell blood in the water--and that blood is GWB's--and guess who wounded him? Yes. We know. What I want to know is what were YOU doing about it? I worked at teaching my students about fallacies--made them look at ad hominem attacks, write about historical events (the election 1800)--made them do a research project on bias in the media--all without electioneering. YOU need to do something, too. Tell the truth. I agree with the Lizard who said
Bush should give a press conference (speech, please) and lay out what he tried to do. He may never defend himself--but we should defend him--after all, he has defended and protected us.

509 pbird  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 10:33:00am

re: #505 strangelove

re#432-
I held my nose and voted for Bush twice, to stave of the madness of Algore and then Lurch.

In my 20/20 hindsight, I wish I would have voted for Kerry, since it is Bush's complete incompetence that gave us Obama, and his total disregard for conservatives that gave us McCain. Had Kerry been potus now, he would have been that much easier to defeat than the Magic Negro.

While it's nice to play the '9/11, we're still safe' card, that's the only dog-eared card in W's hand, to this day. As true as it is, there is more to governance than just continuing to beat over the head with the terrorism stick.

Bush has been a total failure. There is just no more to discuss. We are still in this war that will result in an islamic victory the second we leave-and you all know it-, we have open borders because of Bush's pals in business, he grew the size of government more than any commie-lib could ever dream of, and we now have the greatest financial crisis, that while he is not responsible for, he certainly should have had people telling him it was coming. Hell, we all knew the housing bubble was poison 2-3 years ago.

Yeah, I've got regrets too, Dummy: having voted for your sorry ass. You are no conservative. Now go to Crawford and and start drinking again. At least you know how to do that..

Must feel great to be totally foul.

510 pbird  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 10:35:59am

re: #498 croob

God Bless you President Bush. You kept the country you love and its people safe. You truly mourned with those who mourned and rejoiced with those who rejoiced. Half of this country hated you because of it and you still seem to harbor no grudge.

This new guy will keep the country and people he cares nothing for at arms length and will mourn and rejoice over nothing but his own image. We've elected a pure narcissist in the true African tradition. We're in the shitter.

You're really asking for it saying that, but its probably true.

511 k2law  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:50:18pm

I'm sorry I don't have time to read the 500+ postings before me and allow me to apologize in advance if these sentiments have already been expressed. But here goes.

GWB reminds me very much at this moment of a dog on a shock collar -- he's scared to death to do anything because he's going to get burned. I personally believe he is good, he is honest, he is faithful to his wife (which in my book is worth a whole lot), he is God-fearing, and he loves his country. There is not a damned thing that man could do from the get-go that was not somehow turned into something ridiculous, scandalous, or some similar -ous but the media. And what eventually happened I'm sorry to say is that the constant battering did result in him turning away from the base that put him there and the last part of his administration had him doing things, such as these ridiculous bailouts, that he would never have done 8 years ago.

In the long run I believe that history will be much kinder to his legacy than MSM will ever give him credit for.

I want Ronald Reagan. I want someone with an unwaivering moral compass and an ass of asbestos who can stand up to the wingnuts and do it with grace and humor, someone who doesn't apologize for requiring persons entering this country to be legal and doesn't hesitate to expel those who don't. I want someone who remembers that many of us have worked and continue to work very hard for our money and our savings and it's hardly considered "selfish" of us to want to keep what we've earned and choose for ourselves with whom we will share. I want to distribute my "wealth" myself -- I want someone who would scoff at the notion that the government has any business, much less authority, to do it for me.

I do like George Bush and I wish him a very peaceful retirement. But we have a lot of work to do in the next four years.

512 Lynn B.  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:12:06pm

Sorry, just got here and don't have time to read through this whole thread, but ...

There a lot of things I thought President Bush screwed up, but these statements were not among them. Americans really needed to hear those things at that time and it was his almost instinctive response to that need that impressed me so much back then. That's part of what leadership's all about.

So, no, there are times when a president shouldn't watch his words so carefully but should speak from his gut. He did well. IMO.

513 Lynn B.  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:13:26pm

re: #512 Lynn B.

Actually, I probably should have said, "should speak from his heart."

514 satan sidekick  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:47:34pm

I'm guessing we will miss Pres Bush real soon.

While he has been in office I feel that our country has been protected, I haven't had to worry whether or not he loves this country or supports our troops.
He is a kind and gracious man and although I didn't always agree with everything he did, he certainly gave me hope after those dark days in September 2001. And for that I will always be grateful.

After 8 years of relentless bashing by the left and the MSM it seems no matter what you did it was always wrong in their eyes.

When they build your presidential library I will donate.
Thank you President Bush


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