Overnight Open Thread
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
— Henry Van Dyke
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
— Henry Van Dyke
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:02pm |
Pardon me lizards, is this the 11:08 thread to nowhere in particular?
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JCM Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:16pm |
I almost forgot my traditional Veteran's day post.
I still have a little time since I'm on the west coast.
In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
In Flanders Fields the poppies grow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:52pm |
re: #2 Fenway_Nation
Pardon me lizards, is this the 11:08 thread to nowhere in particular?
Albuquerque isn't it? Midnight express?
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:16:23pm |
re: #3 JCM
I almost forgot my traditional Veteran's day post.
I still have a little time since I'm on the west coast.
In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
In Flanders Fields the poppies grow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
That's an excellent one. I put that one on my site yesterday. That and "A Pittance of Time", another favorite.
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:17:47pm |
re: #5 JCM
Earth First! Log the other planets later.
Q: How many loggers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They can't do it, the light will disturb the spotted owls
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:17:58pm |
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
eh. The hawks, owls, and stray cats will get the noisy birds anyway.
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:20:35pm |
re: #8 logboy
Q: How many loggers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They can't do it, the light will disturb the spotted owls
Down here we have to "worry" about the cockaded woodpecker. Entire areas of the training areas are closed off because of these damn birds. The environmentalists say it is because they only nest in older growth and all the older growth around here is all on the Army base. I had a cockaded woodpecker living in the tree over my house down here and it nested and bred quite well thank you.
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JCM Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:20:45pm |
re: #8 logboy
Q: How many loggers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They can't do it, the light will disturb the spotted owls
I loved the bumper stickers we had on logging trucks around here.
SPOTTED OWL MOBILE HOME
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Mel Lono Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:21:18pm |
I say let's get ahead of curve and ...as my mom used to say "use it or lose it:"
Move along, nothing to see here/
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:21:56pm |
re: #11 JCM
I loved the bumper stickers we had on logging trucks around here.
SPOTTED OWL MOBILE HOME
Are them "stick trucks" as dangerous there as they are here? They get paid by the load so they tend to haul ass every where they go.
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:22:04pm |
Speaking of Veteran's Day, I wrote a post on my blog called "Coping" when I was a patient at Walter Reed. The post was later picked up and published in the book "The Sandbox" by Gary Trudeau. Here's a small tidbit.
Now I’m struggling with the mentality that I’m just a one-armed, four-fingered gimp. I have sharp memories of the accident that haunt me every day; the sudden explosion, the taste of blood in my mouth, realizing the bottom half of my arm was missing with nothing left but a couple of fingers and part of my hand hanging off by some skin and tendons, and then realizing how much pain I was in. All I could do was hold the end of my blown-off right arm with my shrapnel-filled left hand and wait for the medic to arrive and put a tourniquet on. The most terrifying part of the memories is constantly remembering my gunner screaming and then looking down and realizing my arm was nothing more than some ragged meat and two bones sticking out.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:23:23pm |
re: #2 Fenway_Nation
Pardon me lizards, is this the 11:08 thread to nowhere in particular?
Why you axing me? Do I look like a frikkin' travel agent?
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Rancher Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:23:42pm |
The woods would be very silent if you were deaf.
— Dick Van Dyke
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:24:31pm |
re: #10 Outrider
Down here we have to "worry" about the cockaded woodpecker. Entire areas of the training areas are closed off because of these damn birds. The environmentalists say it is because they only nest in older growth and all the older growth around here is all on the Army base. I had a cockaded woodpecker living in the tree over my house down here and it nested and bred quite well thank you.
I know! We had those feckin white banded trees all over Ft Benning that we couldn't go near because of the "Red Headed Cock Sucking Woodpecker" (as my Drill Sergeants so affectionately called them).
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tobor Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:25:10pm |
I owe my life and my family's existence to the US armed forces. Long ago, far away from here in a long forgotten town, a group of American men put their lives on the line to save my grandfather and grandmother.
Saying thank you seems not enough.
Let our saved lives be their gift, let our voices sing there praises for eternity.
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JCM Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:00pm |
re: #14 Outrider
Are them "stick trucks" as dangerous there as they are here? They get paid by the load so they tend to haul ass every where they go.
WA State law requires by the hour, a series of nasty wreaks with dump trucks paid by the load change it years ago. Loggers tend to be a bit cash strapped so the maintenance on the rigs can be a little shaky. Also for some reason a lot of outfits hire drivers with problem records.
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WrathofG-d Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:06pm |
Egyptian Lawmaker: Sexually Assault Female Jews Out Of Israel
"its a new form of resistance!"
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:10pm |
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Adina in Judea Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:31pm |
re: #15 logboy
Thanks so much for your service, logboy!
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:27:34pm |
re: #18 logboy
I know! We had those feckin white banded trees all over Ft Benning that we couldn't go near because of the "Red Headed Cock Sucking Woodpecker" (as my Drill Sergeants so affectionately called them).
same same. Fort Stewart here. And the whole thing is a farce.
I'm thinking all those environmental activists in college in the 60/70s are now on the government payroll at every military post. They create more havoc with field training than any amount of weather or budget cuts.
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:29:25pm |
re: #20 JCM
WA State law requires by the hour, a series of nasty wreaks with dump trucks paid by the load change it years ago. Loggers tend to be a bit cash strapped so the maintenance on the rigs can be a little shaky. Also for some reason a lot of outfits hire drivers with problem records.
We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:30:10pm |
I think I shall never see
A billboard lovely as a tree
Perhaps, unless the billboards fall
I shall never see a tree at all.
-Ogden Nash
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:30:29pm |
re: #22 Fenway_Nation
re: #18 logboy
Same with Ft. Stewart. Can't bee too threatened of a species if they're found in a pretty wide swath of the state of Georgia.
Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.
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Dustyvet Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:31:02pm |
re: #1 logboy
What if we cut down all the trees?
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
They took all the trees
Put em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see em
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Hey farmer farmer
Put away that d.d.t. now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
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JCM Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:31:30pm |
re: #26 Outrider
We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol
Weyerhaeuser is big here, they do a real good job with there rigs, very professional. It's the little guys to watch our for.
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:31:56pm |
re: #26 Outrider
We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol
I hate it when people drop logs on the interstate. Don't care much for them that drop trees, either.
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Adina in Judea Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:32:01pm |
re: #21 WrathofG-d
Egyptian Lawmaker: Sexually Assault Female Jews Out Of Israel
"its a new form of resistance!"
It's already happened a number of times in northern Israel.
The "women" are usually around 13 years old and they have been raped.
It seems that the Israeli police are doing more to protect the women in northern Israel now, though, since these incidents seem to have been stopped.
What a bunch of low-life creeps:
"No. Sexual harassment… In my view, the [Israeli women] do not have any right to respond. The resistance fighters would not initiate such a thing, because their moral values are much loftier than that. However, if such a thing did happen to them, the [Israeli women] have no right to make any demands, because this would put us on equal terms – leave the land so we won't rape you. These two things are equal," she said.
Al-Imam added that she did not want "young Arab men to be interrogated," but rather, she wanted "these Zionist girls with Israeli citizenship to be expelled from our Arab countries. This is a form of resistance, and a way of rejecting their presence."
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:32:02pm |
re: #21 WrathofG-d
Egyptian Lawmaker: Sexually Assault Female Jews Out Of Israel
"its a new form of resistance!"
Didn't we see something like this a year or two back with mobs of Egyptians assaulting females on the street?
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:32:13pm |
re: #26 Outrider
We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol
They're not too bad here in NW WI. We have a huge Louisiana Pacific OSB plant here, and a ton of other paper and sawmills around. The state DOT keeps them on their toes.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:01pm |
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:11pm |
re: #31 JCM
What? You mean the guys on "Ax Men" aren't that competent? Mercy.//
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redc1c4 Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:34pm |
re: #3 JCM
Rendevous
I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
When Spring comes back with rustling shade
And apple-blossoms fill the air--
I have a rendezvous with Death
When Spring brings back blue days and fair.
It may be he shall take my hand
And lead me into his dark land
And close my eyes and quench my breath--
It may be I shall pass him still.
I have a rendezvous with Death
On some scarred slope of battered hill,
When Spring comes round again this year
And the first meadow-flowers appear.
God knows 'twere better to be deep
Pillowed in silk and scented down,
Where love throbs out in blissful sleep,
Pulse nigh to pulse, and breath to breath,
Where hushed awakenings are dear . . .
But I've a rendezvous with Death
At midnight in some flaming town,
When Spring trips north again this year,
And I to my pledged word am true,
I shall not fail that rendezvous.
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:45pm |
re: #34 Outrider
Didn't we see something like this a year or two back with mobs of Egyptians assaulting females on the street?
You're thinking Mardi Gras. Perfectly normal.///
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:47pm |
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:49pm |
re: #28 logboy
Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.
I retired in Oct 93. So we were still off the previous year budget until I retired. I missed all the crap of the Clinton years. It wasn't as bad as the Carter years though from talking to my neighbors. I still live around Ft Stewart.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:50pm |
Evening/morning all. Night shift finally checking in. Saw a sad sight today. At the City Hall ceremonies the veterans marched by as usual. There couldn't have been more than 30 of them from WWII. A far cry from when I first started going to them back in the early 80's.
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:35:24pm |
re: #43 calcajun
The them to which should have been Monty Python's "Lumberjack" song.
PIMF-- The "theme"... a thousand pardons
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:35:46pm |
re: #44 Outrider
Live Oak? Richmond Hill? Hineysville?
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JCM Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:36:14pm |
re: #37 calcajun
What? You mean the guys on "Ax Men" aren't that competent? Mercy.//
LOL, nope not all. Just some of 'em. The big guys have been in business long enough to figured out the safety / liability thing.
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I heart the USA Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:36:26pm |
re: #15 logboy
I am at a loss for words other than to offer a wholly inadequate, but with-all-my-heart, 'thank you'.
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:36:46pm |
re: #39 redc1c4
Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have set us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!
But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.
I shot him dead because—
Because he was my foe,
Just so: my foe of course he was;
That's clear enough; although
He thought he'd 'list, perhaps,
Off-hand like—just as I—
Was out of work—had sold his traps—
No other reason why.
Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You'd treat, if met where any bar is,
Or help to half a crown.
Thomas Hardy
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:01pm |
re: #32 calcajun
I hate it when people drop logs on the interstate. Don't care much for them that drop trees, either.
If it wasn't for Georgia-Pacific and Weyerhouser there would be precious few trees around here. We would see the entire Coastal Georgia as solid strip malls, industry, and tract housing. Those companies own miles and miles; planting fast growing pines that are harvested rotationally every five years.
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WrathofG-d Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:09pm |
re: #33 Adina in Judea
This is just another situation where individuals are lucky that Wrath is not P.M. of Israel.
Raping, or otherwise sexually assaulting Jewish girls does not go over well with me.
I'd probably impose stricter sentences (ie: banishment, or worse) then I would for Terrorism.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:16pm |
Setting up a new computer to be the way I want it is quite the arduous task.
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WrathofG-d Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:29pm |
re: #34 Outrider
Yes. During some holiday if I recall correctly.
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:42pm |
"Due to logging regulations, we are no longer able to supply you with trees for toilet paper. We suggest you start wiping your ass with a spotted owl."
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:38:20pm |
re: #35 logboy
They're not too bad here in NW WI. We have a huge Louisiana Pacific OSB plant here, and a ton of other paper and sawmills around. The state DOT keeps them on their toes.
The DOT white enforcement cars do a fair job. But we have a lot of little road that bypass the major routes they can and do take.
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BlueCanuck Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:38:43pm |
re: #28 logboy
Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.
We had the same problems up here during the Liberal years of Trudeau and his ilk. We subsituted "Bang, bang" with " Budget Cut, Budget Cut".
/never seemed to go over that well with the Orficers for some reason.
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JCM Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:39:04pm |
G'night all, tis late the house work is done, and morning comes early.
To all the vets.
Thank you.
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:40:02pm |
re: #48 Fenway_Nation
Live Oak? Richmond Hill? Hineysville?
Richmond Hill. Couldn't pay me enough to live in Hinesville. lol
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:40:34pm |
One of my favorite songs that we play at all the lumberjack competitions:
The Frozen Logger
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Stonemason Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:41:23pm |
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JeremiahRight Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:41:59pm |
re: #15 logboy
Wow. I cannot put into words the feeling other than
Thank You
from me and my family
I had no idea
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WrathofG-d Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:42:15pm |
Lohan: First "colored(?)" president?
whadshesay?
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:42:39pm |
Frozen Logger Lyrics
As I sat down one evening within a small cafe,
A forty year old waitress to me these words did say:
"I see that you are a logger, and not just a common bum,
'Cause nobody but a logger stirs his coffee with is thumb.
My lover was a logger, there's none like him today;
If you'd pour whiskey on it he could eat a bale of hay
He never shaved his whiskers from off of his horny hide;
He'd just drive them in with a hammer and bite them off inside.
My lover came to see me upon one freezing day;
He held me in his fond embrace which broke three vertebrae.
He kissed me when we parted, so hard that he broke my jaw;
I could not speak to tell him he'd forgot his mackinaw.
I saw my lover leaving, sauntering through the snow,
Going gaily homeward at forty-eight below.
The weather it tried to freeze him, it tried its level best;
At a hundred degrees below zero, he buttoned up his vest.
It froze clean through to China, it froze to the stars above;
At a thousand degrees below zero, it froze my logger love.
They tried in vain to thaw him, and would you believe me, sir
They made him into axeblades, to chop the Douglas fir.
And so I lost my lover, and to this cafe I come,
And here I wait till someone stirs his coffee with his thumb."
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:43:01pm |
re: #60 BlueCanuck
We had the same problems up here during the Liberal years of Trudeau and his ilk. We subsituted "Bang, bang" with " Budget Cut, Budget Cut".
/never seemed to go over that well with the Orficers for some reason.
I'll bet in private they agreed and were laughing their asses off at the antics. ;-)> I know as a 1SG, I would chew someones butt, and later me and the other 1SGs or the Cdr would swap stories about things like it. lol
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calcajun Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:43:24pm |
re: #52 Outrider
If it wasn't for Georgia-Pacific and Weyerhouser there would be precious few trees around here. We would see the entire Coastal Georgia as solid strip malls, industry, and tract housing. Those companies own miles and miles; planting fast growing pines that are harvested rotationally every five years.
Sorry. I meant it to be a funny. Forgot the sarc tag.
I have no beef with anyone in the forestry industries. I know about re-plants and harvesting. Drive through Mississippi and Louisiana and you see the swaths of pine stands waiting to be be harvested--they're industries which provide thousands of jobs and put food on the table for many more. No offense meant.
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Sharmuta Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:43:45pm |
Are they even doing much logging in WI? I thought paper valley was facing rough times.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:44:01pm |
re: #28 logboy
re: #60 BlueCanuck
We (an infantry company) went to the range to qualify with the SAW's one afternoon. The finance company that came in behind us were using M60s, which many of the NCOs were quite nostalgic for.
Couldn't believe that the accountants were better armed than the infanrty.
/Still- the NCO's wanted to make sure we didn't return any live ammo. There's something cathartic about firing off a 250+ round belt...even if we had to wait awhile for the barrel to cool
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I heart the USA Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:44:18pm |
re: #69 WrathofG-d
Lohan: First "colored(?)" president?
whadshesay?
At least she didn't ask a guy in a wheelchair to stand up and take a bow...
:-D
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BlueCanuck Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:45:16pm |
re: #63 logboy
One of my favorite songs that we play at all the lumberjack competitions:
The Frozen Logger
Here's a Canadian song that is an oldy and goldy. The Log Drivers Waltz.
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Outrider Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:46:00pm |
re: #72 calcajun
Sorry. I meant it to be a funny. Forgot the sarc tag.
I have no beef with anyone in the forestry industries. I know about re-plants and harvesting. Drive through Mississippi and Louisiana and you see the swaths of pine stands waiting to be be harvested--they're industries which provide thousands of jobs and put food on the table for many more. No offense meant.
Oh, none taken! Sometimes some people just don't realize how the paper industry works. I've got into the habit of explaining it to the tourists. Sorry about that ;-)>
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:47:02pm |
re: #69 WrathofG-d
Lohan: First "colored(?)" president?
whadshesay?
Isn't she one of those Hollywood strumpets who stopped wearing panties when they heard that California law requires public utilities to be open for inspection at all times?
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WrathofG-d Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:47:39pm |
re: #81 shiplord kirel
Yea, maybe she is just bitter that Prop 8 passed.
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IslandLibertarian Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:48:17pm |
Oh for gawds sake, who cares what Lindsay Lohan said.
O-___ dissed her way back before the election.
Get he some rehab, stat!
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:48:21pm |
re: #82 WrathofG-d
What is there for her to cling to besides her skankiness?
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redc1c4 Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:48:26pm |
re: #28 logboy
Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.
in the Guard it got stupider than that. you'd drive up one month cause you had the fuel. but no ammo, and the next month, you'd stay home with ammo but no fuel, and all because no one wanted to report that they couldn't do what they were told, so they lied on the reports to higher.
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Intrepid Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:50:41pm |
Anthem for the Obama administration after the first year...
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WrathofG-d Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:50:56pm |
She used to be pretty nice looking, too bad not so much anymore.
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logboy Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:51:51pm |
re: #73 Sharmuta
Are they even doing much logging in WI? I thought paper valley was facing rough times.
No way... the towns up here were created by logging, every one of them. The lumber cut here from the giant White Pine built the large cities of Milwaukee and Chicago in the late 1800s. Logging is still very much alive in these parts, and is one of the few industries supplying jobs. Farms went by the wayside long ago. There are still paper mills around Duluth, Superior and spread around northern WI.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:52:10pm |
re: #89 WrathofG-d
She used to be pretty nice looking, too bad not so much anymore.
I guess all that clean living didn't agree with her, eh?
///
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Intrepid Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:52:18pm |
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redc1c4 Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:52:58pm |
re: #74 Fenway_Nation
re: #60 BlueCanuck
We (an infantry company) went to the range to qualify with the SAW's one afternoon. The finance company that came in behind us were using M60s, which many of the NCOs were quite nostalgic for.
Couldn't believe that the accountants were better armed than the infanrty.
/Still- the NCO's wanted to make sure we didn't return any live ammo. There's something cathartic about firing off a 250+ round belt...even if we had to wait awhile for the barrel to cool
that's what 30 weight is for... since they don't make LSA anymore...
GUNS UP!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:54:57pm |
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redc1c4 Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:58:49pm |
the best thing about firing a 50 cal at night is that if the barrel gets hot enough, you can see the projo going down range...
well, that and the damage it does to a target... %-)
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:00:02am |
re: #10 Outrider
The spotted owl only nests in old growth forests. And Wallmart signs.
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:00:50am |
Can you hot swap barrels on the M60? You can on the 240B, its replacement.
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flutesnoot Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:00:53am |
Charles, could one get around the "first" rule by asking for the last name of the actor who played Kent "Flounder" Dorfman in Animal House? Has this been tried?
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:01:58am |
re: #98 flutesnoot
Now you let the cat out of the bag, and since you have we won't be able to get away with it.
*whack*
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WrathofG-d Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:02:10am |
re: #98 flutesnoot
C"I"J doesn't stay up this late me no thinks
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Outrider Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:02:50am |
re: #96 Rancher
The spotted owl only nests in old growth forests. And Wallmart signs.
I don't pretend to know a lot about these birds, but from my observations, these birds seem to nest nigh on any where they want no matter what we humans do.
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Mel Lono Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:03:37am |
You knew it was coming..
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miguelj Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:03:51am |
In Africa news: the govt of Rwanda has issued arrest warrants for the entire former leadership of France on charges of complicity in genocide. Balladur, Juppe, deVillepin, the whole rotten crew. Well done, Rwanda! Of course they won't be extradited (darn!) but at least it will embarrass those salauds.
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:06:17am |
re: #104 Mel Lono
You knew it was coming..
Bastards! I was doing a lumberjack show in Georgia a few years ago. We ended up singing that at 6am for "Good Morning Atlanta". I refused to sing it ever again.
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Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:07:23am |
ISPs you do NOT want: Xanadoo Wireless Hi-Speed Internet: Wireless it is, high speed it isn't, and it isn't any speed during the 6-8 hours per day that it isn't working. 16 hour a day service rather than 24, no tech support (two chicks in India can't keep up with 100,000 irate customers), dishonest billing practices, so many other problems it would take a week to list them.
NTS-Communications: Tech support droids have master's degrees in excuse making but no computer knowledge at all. E-mail servers down for five days and counting.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:07:54am |
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:08:30am |
re: #106 miguelj
In Africa news: the govt of Rwanda has issued arrest warrants for the entire former leadership of France on charges of complicity in genocide. Balladur, Juppe, deVillepin, the whole rotten crew. Well done, Rwanda! Of course they won't be extradited (darn!) but at least it will embarrass those salauds.
Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:01am |
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Dustyvet Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:05am |
re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans
POKE! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!
I tried to think, and nothing happened
Curly Howard
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Mel Lono Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:33am |
re: #108 logboy
Bastards! I was doing a lumberjack show in Georgia a few years ago. We ended up singing that at 6am for "Good Morning Atlanta". I refused to sing it ever again.
You have my respect and thanks you rotten SOB!/
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:59am |
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:11:08am |
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:12:55am |
re: #97 logboy
Can you hot swap barrels on the M60? You can on the 240B, its replacement.
yup... it just takes one of those bakers gloves, and a bit of practice
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Dustyvet Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:12:55am |
re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans
Hey Moe!
Ollie: Didn't I just tell you I was going to be married?
Stan: Who to?
Ollie: Why, a woman, of course. Did you ever hear of anyone marrying a man?
Stan: Sure.
Ollie: Who?
Stan: My sister.
Ollie: This is no time for levity
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:15:33am |
re: #113 logboy
Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."
Then there's General Dallaire, who was pretty shaken and almost broken by what he couldn't do.
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Dustyvet Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:15:42am |
re: #118 Intrepid
Oooh, a Wise Guy!
Oliver: Where is she?
Stan: Maybe she went to the mountains.
Oliver: I'll bet she did. You know she makes me sick.
Stan: Well if she didn't go to the mountains, then Mohammad would have to come here.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:16:05am |
Hey Intrepid, what did you mean by this?
You're nuts. Seriously.
That sounds pretty much like "Fool"
It's knowitall christians like you that really crack me up.
You just have to be right.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:17:07am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:19:36am |
re: #124 IslandLibertarian
The Monk Slappy Fight is in the previous thread, not here.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:21:41am |
I was overseeing my herd out on the llano when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud towards me. The driver, a young man dressed to the nines, leans out the window and asks me, “If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?” I figured this would be interesting so I said, “Sure, Why not?” The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo. The guy then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg , Germany. Within mere seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data is stored. He then accesses a MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response. Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer and finally turns to me and says, “You have exactly 869 cows and calves.”
“That’s right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves,” I said.
I watched this clown select one of my animals and looked on amused as
he stuffed it into the trunk of his car.
Then I asked him, “Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?”
He thought about it for a second and then said, “Okay, why not?”
“You’re a Congressman for the U.S. Government”, I told him.
"Wow! That’s correct,” he exclaimed, “but how did you guess that?”
“No guessing required,” I answered. “You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You tried to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don’t know a thing about cows...this is a herd of sheep."
"Now give me back my dog."
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:21:46am |
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:21:54am |
It's always about remembering and being thankful.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:23:46am |
re: #128 Sharmuta
Does that troll-op still have an account?
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:23:54am |
re: #124 IslandLibertarian
Hey Intrepid, what did you mean by this?
You're nuts. Seriously.
That sounds pretty much like "Fool"It's knowitall christians like you that really crack me up.
You just have to be right.
Heh - you're bringing this over here? Dude! You are nuts for keeping this issue going. You quoted scripture dedicated to all the "WWJD types", but neglected to quote the scripture in context. I added the context and refuted your argument. Including personal anecdotal info.
And yes, if I am right, I'd like to be noticed as being right. But unlike you, I don't have to be.
Dude. Give it up.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:17am |
re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans
Were it not for the stick I'd say next month you'd be accused of soiling.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:48am |
re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans
The Monk Slappy Fight is in the previous thread, not here.
You ever seen one of those westerns where the brawl just keeps crashing through walls?
Sorry 'bout that pardner.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:51am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:26:05am |
re: #134 Sharmuta
Were it not for the stick I'd say next month you'd be accused of soiling.
That's never stopped me before. ;)
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:26:14am |
re: #126 Sharmuta
Yes
Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitive.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:28:01am |
re: #132 BlueCanuck
Does that troll-op still have an account?
Nah - Edgar and his buddy JohnDakota got the boot yesterday morning. Check out the last bit of yesterday's overnight thread.
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:28:12am |
re: #131 BlueCanuck
It's always about remembering and being thankful.
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ryannon Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:29:10am |
With a hat-tip to Ojoe, here's a view of Pasadena and the Los Angeles Basin from the Towercam at the Mt. Wilson Observatory. Last one out, please turn off the lights:
[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu...]
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:30:15am |
re: #142 redc1c4
Well, I went to the ceremony for the moment of silence the parading of colours, and the martch of the veterans. After our mayor made his speech I went home. Even had a fly past too. Brought tears to my eyes they did.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:30:24am |
re: #113 logboy
Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."
The French were there; we were not. The French knew the internal dynamics; we did not. By the time we got people there, it was all over...military logistics is a real bitch, unfortunately.
Bush 41 cut the military, and Clinton slashed it. Because of that we really couldn't do much about Rwanda.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:33:11am |
re: #140 Intrepid
I just took a look. I guess I'd say that if you think you might be being to sensitive, perhaps you are. Today I responded to an email and I guess I was being too sensitive. It happens.
But then, when it comes to my faith, I let a lot roll off my back where other people don't, so I might not be the best judge.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:34:33am |
re: #133 Intrepid
Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitive
Oh brother.
You are a piece of work.
I forgive you misunderstanding my attempt to make a WWJD joke.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:37:38am |
re: #146 Sharmuta
I just took a look. I guess I'd say that if you think you might be being to sensitive, perhaps you are. Today I responded to an email and I guess I was being too sensitive. It happens.
But then, when it comes to my faith, I let a lot roll off my back where other people don't, so I might not be the best judge.
Thanks, Shar.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:38:46am |
re: #113 logboy
Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."
You talked about not having live ammo for training. My husband's a pilot, flies heavies. Around Rwanda time, the percentage of transports that could have made it all the way to Rwanda? um, let's just say that you might have gotten to spend a nice week in the Azores waiting for a new engine or something en route.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:39:49am |
re: #149 Intrepid
I know Killgore's offended a lot of people at times. I've never been offended by his comments though. I have faith in God and no one can shake that. If their views are different, then that's what it is, but I know in my heart and soul what I know and no one will change that with words on a blog.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:39:53am |
re: #147 IslandLibertarian
Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitiveOh brother.
You are a piece of work.
I forgive you misunderstanding my attempt to make a WWJD joke.
Good gracious! Do you not understand having another person's perspective? It's called maturity.
Yeesh.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:40:06am |
And on that depressing note, I'm off to bed. good night eveyone.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:40:41am |
re: #147 IslandLibertarian
Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitiveOh brother.
You are a piece of work.
I forgive you misunderstanding my attempt to make a WWJD joke.
If it was a JOKE you should have said so!
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:08am |
re: #145 funky chicken
The French were there; we were not. The French knew the internal dynamics; we did not. By the time we got people there, it was all over...military logistics is a real bitch, unfortunately.
Bush 41 cut the military, and Clinton slashed it. Because of that we really couldn't do much about Rwanda.
that sure sounds convincing...
i just didn't know we didn't have the 82nd during those years... musta missed the draw down notice.
want =! can
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:25am |
re: #155 Intrepid
If it was a JOKE you should have said so!
Other people did try to tell you it was joking and got slapped for their efforts.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:27am |
re: #152 Intrepid
Good gracious! Do you not understand having another person's perspective? It's called maturity.
Yeesh.
Maturity is being able to stand up for yourself. Not look for others to back you up.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:42am |
re: #153 littleoldlady
Good morning littleoldlady. How are you doing today?
/little early aren't you?
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:44:22am |
re: #145 funky chicken
The French were there; we were not. The French knew the internal dynamics; we did not. By the time we got people there, it was all over...military logistics is a real bitch, unfortunately.
Bush 41 cut the military, and Clinton slashed it. Because of that we really couldn't do much about Rwanda.
Wrong. We could have done something, but we did nothing. I don't buy the "we had an ineffective military" argument. We both know thats not true. When it came to human rights and doing the right thing Clinton is just a douche bag. Remember the Khobar Towers bombing where 19 Americans died? Clinton went to the Saudis to ask for money for his library but didn't even ASK about the people they had locked up for the crime. Talk about doing the dead Airmen justice.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:45:06am |
re: #159 BlueCanuck
BlueCanuck! :-)
Nightmare. They came to get my kid for re-education camp. :-(
Was almost back asleep when the dog and cat decided it was play-time...in the bed.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:45:48am |
re: #157 FurryOldGuyJeans
Other people did try to tell you it was joking and got slapped for their efforts.
I didn't see it as a joke, though! No sarc tags, no "hee" type statements.
I missed it.
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:46:01am |
re: #148 Sharmuta
So- is there early laced fruitcup around here?
if not, the leftovers have been bubbling along since last night...
and you can always ask the cook for a taste.
/white smoke
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:46:07am |
re: #162 littleoldlady
Sorry about the nightmare. :(
Cat's and dogs living together? Now that's just weird. ;)
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:46:50am |
re: #25 Intrepid
SANCTUARY!
"Fish, and plankton. And sea greens, and protein from the sea. It's all here, ready. Fresh as harvest day. Fish and sea greens, plankton and protein from the sea. And then it stopped coming. And they came instead. So I store them here. I'm ready. And you're ready. It's my job. To freeze you."
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:47:02am |
re: #158 IslandLibertarian
Maturity is being able to stand up for yourself. Not look for others to back you up.
It is also asking trusted others to look over what you've said and tell you to the truth.
Which is what Sharmuta has done.
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:47:23am |
And why was our military so cash strapped? Because HE cut the budget. Are you telling me he couldn't have appropriated funds? Come on...
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:48:24am |
re: #165 BlueCanuck
Sorry about the nightmare. :(
Cat's and dogs living together? Now that's just weird. ;)
No, I believe that would be mass hysteria.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:48:37am |
re: #165 BlueCanuck
Cat's and dogs living together? Now that's just weird. ;)
Weird is par for the course around here. ;-)
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:48:55am |
Alright, I've said my two cents for the night, I'm off to bed. Happy Vets Day for all who missed it.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:50:19am |
To IslandLibertarian I offer my humblest of apologies for misunderstanding what he/she wrote in his/her posts.
Please, I ask forgiveness.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:52:05am |
re: #171 logboy
Alright, I've said my two cents for the night, I'm off to bed. Happy Vets Day for all who missed it.
You ain't getting away that cheap...you have to pitch in at least 2 bits. ;)
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:53:56am |
re: #173 BlueCanuck
Logans Run?
Yep! That's Roscoe Lee Browne as "Box", the robot who stored protein, including humans.
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LeePro Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:55:23am |
re: #131 BlueCanuck
re: #142 redc1c4
To both of you... you made me cry... again.
And now... here's my contribution in observance of Veterans' Day and Remembrance Day.
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:55:36am |
re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans
You ain't getting away that cheap...you have to pitch in at least 2 bits. ;)
i'd say he's already paid his pittance in full...
if not, i'll cover it. his money's no good here.
/Scouts Out
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:55:40am |
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logboy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:56:18am |
re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans
You ain't getting away that cheap...you have to pitch in at least 2 bits. ;)
I've already paid the cost. Night.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:57:22am |
re: #172 Intrepid
To IslandLibertarian I offer my humblest of apologies for misunderstanding what he/she wrote in his/her posts.
Please, I ask forgiveness.
Pilgrim, I already forgave you up thread, but I threw in a zinger with it so I guess it don't count.
So I accept your apology and ask that if I have offended you in any way, I am sorry.
And for the record, I'm not a he/she. I look horrible in heels.
/can't we all just get along?
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:57:28am |
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:58:13am |
re: #178 LeePro
Morning {LeePro}. And thank you for that picture.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:58:23am |
re: #184 Intrepid
"I'll teach your Grandmother to suck eggs"!
Hee...hee hee...
Why won't they leave me...ALONE!?!?
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:01:00am |
Where I am, it's already November 12th. Among the great things that happened in history on November 12th:
1918 - Austria becomes a republic.
1936 - In California, the San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge opens to traffic.
1946 - A branch of the Exchange National Bank in Chicago, Illinois opens the first ten drive-up teller windows.
1980 - The NASA space probe Voyager I makes its closest approach to Saturn and takes first images of its rings.
1981 - The Space Shuttle Columbia becomes the first spacecraft to be launched twice.
1982 - Lech Wałęsa, a Solidarity leader, is released from a Polish prison after eleven months.
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LeePro Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:01:06am |
re: #185 BlueCanuck
Morning {LeePro}. And thank you for that picture.
{Blue}, "that picture" is one of my father's award-winning editorial cartoons during the Korean War.
:)
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:02:09am |
re: #183 IslandLibertarian
Pilgrim, I already forgave you up thread, but I threw in a zinger with it so I guess it don't count.
So I accept your apology and ask that if I have offended you in any way, I am sorry.And for the record, I'm not a he/she. I look horrible in heels.
/can't we all just get along?
Heh - as long as you don't keep calling me "pilgrim". I keep thinking of John Wayne when I see that. Although, I am still a pilgrim. Aren't we all?
No, it was my bad. Scripture is too precious to be used as a stick. And I tried to whack you with it.
Heh - no heels from now on. Me too. I hate them, though I am expected to wear them occasionally.
/stupid girl rules...
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:02:53am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:03:51am |
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IslandLibertarian Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:05:44am |
re: #189 Sharmuta
awww gosh-o-golly...that makes up for all the drivel I've given and taken.
And now to sleep.
G'nite 'tiles.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:06:50am |
re: #191 Intrepid
There are girl rules?! Why was I not informed of this?
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:07:28am |
re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans
Better than Powered Toastman
I'm firmly convinced that, when future archaeologists examine the early days of the internet, they will believe that the question of whether the hero's name was "Powered Toast Man" or "Powdered Toast Man" was a matter of great importance, due to the number of forum threads dedicated to the issue.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:07:43am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:08:43am |
re: #198 gmsc
I'm firmly convinced that, when future archaeologists examine the early days of the internet, they will believe that the question of whether the hero's name was "Powered Toast Man" or "Powdered Toast Man" was a matter of great importance, due to the number of forum threads dedicated to the issue.
Hey, you stole my "D"! ;)
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:10:25am |
re: #196 Sharmuta
There are girl rules?! Why was I not informed of this?
Ssshhh - honey, you're a yankee, and us Southern gals have different rules than ya'll do.
We gotta wear heels and skirts every once in a while. It's the nature of the game here.
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:10:32am |
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:12:47am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:12:53am |
re: #205 Rancher
Log can't beat the fun one can have with a Pet Rock.
Does a pet rock roll over your neighbour's dog?
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:15:56am |
re: #207 FurryOldGuyJeans
Does a pet rock roll over your neighbour's dog?
Depends how big the rock is or how small the dog is.
/and mathematics. ;)
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:06am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:08am |
re: #210 BlueCanuck
Depends how big the rock is or how small the dog is.
/and mathematics. ;)
Oh yeah, muddy things up with facts, why don't ya!
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:53am |
re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans
Oh yeah, muddy things up with facts, why don't ya!
Who knew that 0bama logged on LGF with the name FurryOldGuyJeans?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:58am |
re: #211 gmsc
You seem to have turned into a John K fan all of the sudden!
Ren and Stimpy is more addicting that crack.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:18:38am |
We had to bail out the banks because they were the engine that effects all sectors of the economy. We do not have to bail out ever other industry, state, or city that is experiencing tough times. I just saw that Philadelphia will ask Obama for a bailout. Look for a deep depresion if we borrow, print money or soak the "rich" so we can throw money everywhere. Can't folks see this makes no sense?
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:18:42am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:19:28am |
re: #213 gmsc
Who knew that 0bama logged on LGF with the name FurryOldGuyJeans?
When Obama turns out to be an old hairy white dude who is also a disabled vet do let me know.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:21:35am |
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:21:43am |
re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans
When Obama turns out to be an old hairy white dude who is also a disabled vet do let me know.
He's saving that surprise for the last day of his presidency.
;)
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:22:02am |
re: #217 Sharmuta
heh, I knew that. Don't even have to click the link for the "Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen."
/oohrah
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gmsc Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:23:00am |
Since it seems to be cartoon music night, how about a little The Cat Came Back?
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LeePro Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:24:05am |
One more time, with fervor [I seem to be invisible to all except Blue].
re: myself
...here's my contribution in observance of Veterans' Day and Remembrance Day.
Good night, good souls. I'm going to go upstairs and feel sorry for myself.
:-[
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:25:27am |
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:31:03am |
re: #223 LeePro
One more time, with fervor [I seem to be invisible to all except Blue].
Good night, good souls. I'm going to go upstairs and feel sorry for myself.:-[
tag, you're it...
/and no cooties!
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:31:29am |
re: #215 Rancher
Many years ago during a time when a lot of U.S. cities were going bankrupt, or were on the verge of bankruptcy, Ed Rendell became mayor of Philadelphia and inherited a similar mess. He p*ssed off a lot of people (city unions in particular) with cuts and cost saving measures, but managed to get the city budget back in line in a couple of years.
And that's how he became Governor.
Last I heard, while states and cities all over the country are in trouble, Rendell announced that Pennsylvania is in "pretty good shape" to weather this storm.
Once upon a time voters held politicians accountable. Anymore, nobody's accountable for anything.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:33:01am |
re: #227 littleoldlady
Many years ago during a time when a lot of U.S. cities were going bankrupt, or were on the verge of bankruptcy, Ed Rendell became mayor of Philadelphia and inherited a similar mess. He p*ssed off a lot of people (city unions in particular) with cuts and cost saving measures, but managed to get the city budget back in line in a couple of years.
And that's how he became Governor.
Last I heard, while states and cities all over the country are in trouble, Rendell announced that Pennsylvania is in "pretty good shape" to weather this storm.
Once upon a time voters held politicians accountable. Anymore, nobody's accountable for anything.
The taxpayers are always held accountable.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:33:33am |
re: #222 gmsc
Since it seems to be cartoon music night, how about a little The Cat Came Back?
And I reply with "Blackfly".
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Stonemason Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:34:05am |
re: #227 littleoldlady
I switched parties to work for Ed in his first campaign, got to meet and chat with him one Friday afternoon. Nice enough guy, I was happy with what he had done to my Parents hometown so I gave back.
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milton Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:35:27am |
In a 2006 interview with Ben Smith of the NY Daily News, Rahm Emanuel, who will be Barack Obama's White House chief of staff, laughed at Smith's concerns about how far-reaching a mandatory civil-service plan would be.
UPDATE FULL VIDEO AVAILABLE HERE (first one had an error)
[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]
Rahm Emanuel, Obama Chief of Staff on MANDATORY CIVIL SERVICE PLAN
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:37:42am |
Damn, I don't get to see any of these links, they're all blocked.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:39:30am |
re: #232 Rancher
At work? Here's a hint for later. Hit the show links button when you get home. Saves time in filtering through the thread looking for these nice little nuggets.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:42:24am |
re: #227 littleoldlady
Once upon a time voters held politicians accountable. Anymore, nobody's accountable for anything.
Well, out here Arnold is still trying to get his biceps around how big the deficit will be this year (and probably next year.) Estimates run over $20 billion. That is a lot of money, and the state is now saying they need to raise sales tax about 1.5 points! That, on-top of some pretty broad budget cuts.
As the Japanese found out in the last decade, raising sales tax just reduces commerce by about the same amount, when the economy is stagnant. Californian politicians are so used to a growing California economy that they don't realize that in a recession increasing taxes at the state level just moves commerce across state lines.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:44:27am |
re: #230 Stonemason
I switched parties to work for Ed in his first campaign, got to meet and chat with him one Friday afternoon. Nice enough guy, I was happy with what he had done to my Parents hometown so I gave back.
Right. I've met him, too. When you filter out some of the off-the-wall partisan party stuff he says (which, when you see him say in person, you'd SWEAR he was rolling his eyes ;-) he's a "good politician".
If there is such a thing. :-/
Meanwhile, Philadelphia has a wage tax, over and above the state tax, a +1% sales tax added to the state's, and higher business taxes than the surrounding counties. (I think it still does, anyway.)
Gee? Where did the tax base go?
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Stonemason Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:48:43am |
re: #236 littleoldlady
(which, when you see him say in person, you'd SWEAR he was rolling his eyes ;-)
OH MY...when I met him, there was a life-sized cardboard Bill Clinton in the office. I swear he rolled his eyes at it when he saw it!
He was always a conservative Dem, or a Liberal Rep (as he ran the first time he tried to be Mayor)
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jantjepietje Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:49:01am |
geenstijl reportsthat he iraian ship where lgf reported aboutearlier
has arrived in Rotterdam
I put it through google translate and corrected some errors of the translating
In the port this afternoon is Deyanat MS Iran arrived, BNR reported, and according conspiracy theorists this is the largest dirty bomb ever created. Do you remember? Somali pirates hijacked the ship earlier this year, but they all mysteriously deceased when theyopened the holds. The pirates showed symptoms that appeared on many suspected radiation sickness. Lost hair, blood poop, bleeding gums and death. Why the ship is now in Rotterdam, is a mystery. Within the Port Authority would circulate a memo in which order is given to additional checks on Iran Deyanat. Think men in white suits, AIVD'ers and no doubt a lost American.
Update 08.00 Despite the strongest lead ever in the Dutch maritime history that we have a nuclear / illegal, scary and strange ship have, nothing happens. The Port Authority finds an examination of the contents are not needed. That would only make some friendly Muslim states angry.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:49:25am |
re: #231 milton
Have you put that up in the spinoffs yet?
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Stonemason Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:49:59am |
re: #236 littleoldlady
As far as the Philly taxes now, yup, they are killing the City. Nutter is trying hard to clean up after the thieves that ran the place for eight years but he is fighting an uphill battle.
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:50:17am |
this one is for my 6 element, without whom i'd be FUBAR...
i went out at twilight this evening, and there was the (more or less) full moon, just up from the east, surrounded by the evening haze, which was a pastel of pink/red/purple... think Jimi Hendrix in a visual.
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:55:29am |
re: #242 Intrepid
Fruitcup = T-8 minutes and counting.
fruit cup: fixed and fermenting...
/white smoke
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:56:07am |
re: #240 Stonemason
I like Nutter. I wish him much success.
And nothing could be better for the city than to get the Street brothers OUTTA THERE!
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:57:56am |
Which gets more laughs - "Dong!" or "Pleung"
I dare you not to laugh.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:59:54am |
re: #239 BlueCanuck
Perhaps he doesn't know how. Why don't you add it?
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:00:01am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:02:34am |
re: #249 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!
nothing tastes quite as good as tardy fruit cup:
it gives the fixins more time to meld...
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:04:33am |
re: #251 redc1c4
nothing tastes quite as good as tardy fruit cup:
it gives the fixins more time to meld...
Yes, that .01 second gives it that extra edge!
heh/white smoke?
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:04:53am |
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:05:14am |
re: #249 littleoldlady
Thanks for the fruitcup lovely lady.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:05:26am |
Fenway! :-)
Intrepid! :-)
red! :-)
WHAT tardy?! Oh...you mean YOURS. ;-)
Sharmuta! :-)
Stonemason, my lurking friend! :-)
BlueCanuck! :-)
jantjepietje! :-)
milton! :-)
Who did I miss?...LGF! :-)
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:05:46am |
re: #252 Sharmuta
Psst- you gotsta ding it, Trep.
Thanks LOL
Whoopsie! Dinged now.
/so embarrased...
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:06:16am |
re: #238 jantjepietje
Good Lord, glad it's over there and not here.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:08:20am |
re: #257 Intrepid
LOL is too nice to ask for dings. But I'm not. ;p
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:08:42am |
re: #259 Sharmuta
I'm saving my whining for my birthday. ;-)
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:10:58am |
re: #258 Rancher
Good Lord, glad it's over there and not here.
nothing to see here, and it's all in the hands of competent authorities...
/white smoke
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:11:55am |
re: #259 Sharmuta
LOL is too nice to ask for dings. But I'm not. ;p
Which is why we are glad you are involved in your local RNC stuff.
No wimps need apply there!
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:16:36am |
Ahhh, peaceful here tonight. I do enjoy the occassional troll bashing, but the moments and times of quiet are the most enjoyable.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:16:44am |
re: #231 milton
In a 2006 interview with Ben Smith of the NY Daily News, Rahm Emanuel, who will be Barack Obama's White House chief of staff, laughed at Smith's concerns about how far-reaching a mandatory civil-service plan would be.
UPDATE FULL VIDEO AVAILABLE HERE (first one had an error)[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]
Rahm Emanuel, Obama Chief of Staff on MANDATORY CIVIL SERVICE PLAN
The gall of that man! He used the specter of another terrorist attack or another Katrina to justify enslaving the American people!
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:17:30am |
re: #254 BlueCanuck
*sigh* You added it into the linkviewer but not the spinoffs on the thread, huh?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:17:50am |
re: #264 BlueCanuck
Ahhh, peaceful here tonight. I do enjoy the occassional troll bashing, but the moments and times of quiet are the most enjoyable.
Snedgar is gone, and his faithful male companion, JohnDakota.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:19:05am |
re: #265 MandyManners
No way! I thought it was Republicans who ruled through fear...
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:21:43am |
re: #267 MandyManners
Snedgar is gone, and his faithful male companion, JohnDakota.
*sniggersnigger snorf*
Heh.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:22:17am |
re: #266 Sharmuta
Sorry, like I said, I am getting a little groggy here. My apologies.
/also keep forgetting about the spinoff part of link viewing.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:22:52am |
I about fell over when I heard him say that the "volunteers" would get to know what America means through service. What did Communism say about labor? Peace through labor or somesuch.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:24:22am |
re: #273 MandyManners
I can't believe he openly laughed at the reporter!
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:26am |
re: #273 MandyManners
Service to understand what it means to be an American is what turned my stomach.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:33am |
re: #273 MandyManners
Didn't the Nazi concentration camps had the 'Work Makes Free' in German over the gates?
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:38am |
re: #271 Intrepid
*sn***sn*** snorf*
Heh.
Heh - I guess I should have "snicker snicker snorf"'d.
Instead of mostly using "G's". Not that I meant anything by it. Never.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:24am |
re: #277 Intrepid
yeah, someone else found out about that a couple nights ago too.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:44am |
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:56am |
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:29:03am |
re: #273 MandyManners
Good lord, help us.
These people and their funny ideas.
If they start talking about re-education camps for children during summer (similar to some ideas under it takes a village to raise a child) I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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Intrepid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:29:47am |
re: #280 BlueCanuck
yeah, someone else found out about that a couple nights ago too.
Really? Did someone use the actual "N" word here?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:30:32am |
The snickering about the jumping-jacks got to me, too. When did contravening the Thirteenth Amendment become a joke?
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:30:35am |
re: #281 littleoldlady
(Takes a bow)
Well thank you lovely lady. I hate to be left out. If this room were an egg I would have to be sitting on top of the yolk.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:31:24am |
re: #284 shanec99
Good lord, help us.
These people and their funny ideas.
If they start talking about re-education camps for children during summer (similar to some ideas under it takes a village to raise a child) I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I don't give them the benefit of the doubt at all. They despise America and Americans.
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Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:32:25am |
re: #273 MandyManners
I about fell over when I heard him say that the "volunteers" would get to know what America means through service. What did Communism say about labor? Peace through labor or somesuch.
And if one chooses to go 'AWOL' from this 'volunteer service'...?
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:34:06am |
re: #290 Oh no...Sand People!
And if one chooses to go 'AWOL' from this 'volunteer service'...?
Nuh. That's the nightmare that woke me at 1 am!
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Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:35:31am |
re: #291 littleoldlady
Nuh. That's the nightmare that woke me at 1 am!
I swear... I don't know if we really understand the 'change' that is coming.
My moonbat sense has been tingling all summer and now the last week it has been in overdrive...
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:35:38am |
re: #290 Oh no...Sand People!
And if one chooses to go 'AWOL' from this 'volunteer service'...?
I bet it'll be the same as going AWOL from military service.
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:35:58am |
re: #289 MandyManners
I don't give them the benefit of the doubt at all. They despise America and Americans.
I don't think all of them do. Some of them I think are well intentioned idiots. Well intentioned... but idiots none the less.
When they come up with their nutty ideas they all agree and slap them selves on the back and proclaim their genius with stupid cliches like: "Great minds think alike!"
Meanwhile the rest of us can sit back and remind ourselves that: "Fools seldom differ!"
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:38:11am |
Hail fellow Citizens of the World, Loyal(but soon to be Traitorous) Opposition to Obummer I bring news of good tidings - great joy: Russia, U.S., EU may yet agree common security deal - Lavrov
Russia, the United States and the European Union still have time to agree on ways of ensuring security before missiles are deployed in Poland and Russia's Kaliningrad Region, the Russian foreign minister said on Tuesday.Sergei Lavrov said a security agreement based on respect for common interests would negate the planned deployment of a U.S. missile shield in central Europe, on the one hand, and the possibility of tactical missiles being stationed in Russia's western exclave bordering Poland, on the other.
[…]
Russia, which says the missile defense system is a threat to its national security, has indicated it will not address the U.S. proposals until after President-elect Barack Obama is {editied & translated from Rooshkie}inauguratedunder full command of Moscow, Beijing & Tehran in January.
This ought to go smoothly...dump Missile Defense, push through the LOST Treaty, Obummer's Global Poverty Act...eh..the ICC; yes...yes...yes...this ought to go quite smoothly...just watch that first step.
Mornin all...another day in paradise.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:38:32am |
re: #294 shanec99
I don't think all of them do. Some of them I think are well intentioned idiots. Well intentioned... but idiots none the less.
When they come up with their nutty ideas they all agree and slap them selves on the back and proclaim their genius with stupid cliches like: "Great minds think alike!"
Meanwhile the rest of us can sit back and remind ourselves that: "Fools seldom differ!"
How can one wish to impose servitude on Americans and not despise America?
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Fenway_Nation Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:38:56am |
re: #293 MandyManners
I bet it'll be the same as going AWOL from military service.
You mean the Code-Pinkos and various left-wing scum will embrace us with open arms?
/
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:39:03am |
re: #286 Intrepid
No, it was the same word you tried to use as well. I got a chuckle out of it at least. Unfortunately Charles has to put filters like that in place to avoid trolls and such.
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Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:40:23am |
And if Obama even lives up to 10% of his 'promises' and campaign pledges... we are in for one heckuva ride. I 'hope' he was only doing political pseudo speak and follows the path of all politicians and promised the world and fails to deliver. For some reason though I think he is more motivated to deliver than anyone can imagine.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:40:42am |
re: #297 Fenway_Nation
You mean the Code-Pinkos and various left-wing scum will embrace us with open arms?
/
Wonder if Canada would get a new generation of Draft Dodgers.
/and would the same people supporting "War Resisters" support them?
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:41:20am |
re: #293 MandyManners
I bet it'll be the same as going AWOL from military service.
Please don't say that... our nation outlawed forced servitude years ago, when an eloquent Republican guided the nation through its most perilous years.
Let us pledge not to allow any government to force our children into servitude that is not dictated by the constitution.
All duties not specifically given to the government is to be left to the people is how I understand the constitution. Please someone tell me if I err.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:42:58am |
re: #284 shanec99
Good lord, help us.
These people and their funny ideas.
If they start talking about re-education camps for children during summer (similar to some ideas under it takes a village to raise a child) I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I assume you saw the teacher telling the little girl her Daddy will be in Iraq for a hundred years if McCain gets elected? The kids don't need re-education, they are indoctrinating them as we speak.
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Stonemason Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:43:15am |
re: #301 shanec99
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
The ninth amendment...clear as day.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:44:15am |
re: #292 Oh no...Sand People!
Big, BIG fight with my favorite cousin, who voted for Obama because he thought that would prevent his kids from being drafted!
From the get-go - months ago! - I was sending him links from Obama's own website claiming that he'd increase the number of people in the armed forces. How will he do that without a draft?
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Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:44:17am |
re: #300 BlueCanuck
Wonder if Canada would get a new generation of Draft Dodgers.
/and would the same people supporting "War Resisters" support them?
I can already see the ads placed on placards on the sides of the buses, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, as they drive the masses to 'Civil Boot Camp' for the mandatory 3 - 9 months depending on what Obama feels like should be the term...
Why do I get the feeling only 18 -25 year olds with an (R) in front of their name will be the only one's required to go?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:45:16am |
re: #297 Fenway_Nation
You mean the Code-Pinkos and various left-wing scum will embrace us with open arms?
/
Not even if they shave under those arms.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:45:17am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:45:53am |
re: #301 shanec99
Please don't say that... our nation outlawed forced servitude years ago, when an eloquent Republican guided the nation through its most perilous years.
Let us pledge not to allow any government to force our children into servitude that is not dictated by the constitution.
All duties not specifically given to the government is to be left to the people is how I understand the constitution. Please someone tell me if I err.
You don't 'err', but you did notice how the 'election' turned out...right?
///
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:46:19am |
re: #301 shanec99
Please don't say that... our nation outlawed forced servitude years ago, when an eloquent Republican guided the nation through its most perilous years.
Let us pledge not to allow any government to force our children into servitude that is not dictated by the constitution.
All duties not specifically given to the government is to be left to the people is how I understand the constitution. Please someone tell me if I err.
That's what the Constitution says.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:48:31am |
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:49:39am |
gmsc posted this earlier:
[Link: claytoncramer.com...]
If this is truly a zogby poll at the moment- this is totally whack.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:50:43am |
re: #309 MandyManners
That's what the Constitution says.
It also says something about free speech but we still have McCain Feingold. Also consider that newly appointed judges will believe in a "living" constitution.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:53:10am |
re: #312 Sharmuta
Wow, those are some pretty extreme positions.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:57:05am |
re: #312 Sharmuta
On the other hand, some of the questions almost read like Republican push polling:
Yet they are all positions Obama supported or proposed.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:00:04am |
If you knew about Barack Obama's support for Congressional legislation that would overturn abortion restrictions, such as parental notification, gender selection abortions and requiring doctors to have local hospital certificates when performing abortions
Gender selection- nice. And yeah- if abortions are going on in this country, we sure wouldn't want to prevent butchers from getting their hands on women.
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akak Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:01:08am |
Why the hell would Olmert & E Barak ban the IDF from using snipers from protecting border guards & police?
Parents & families must be furious.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:02:21am |
re: #312 Sharmuta
gmsc posted this earlier:
[Link: claytoncramer.com...]
If this is truly a zogby poll at the moment- this is totally whack.
56 PER CENT? I'M WELL AND TRULY FUCKED.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:03:16am |
re: #313 Rancher
It also says something about free speech but we still have McCain Feingold. Also consider that newly appointed judges will believe in a "living" constitution.
That can be tossed but, how can one just toss the 13th Amendment?
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:04:31am |
re: #321 MandyManners
That can be tossed but, how can one just toss the 13th Amendment?
The islamists will love that!
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:06:39am |
re: #320 MandyManners
56 PER CENT? I'M WELL AND TRULY FUCKED.
Ahem. That sure got my attention. ;D
Good Morning LGF.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:07:06am |
re: #320 MandyManners
Just start a business, run it into the ground, then ask Congress for a bailout. It's what all the cool businesses are doing these days.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:07:15am |
re: #322 Sharmuta
The islamists will love that!
You betcha'. They helped slavery many, many years ago.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:07:47am |
re: #323 Spare O'Lake
Ahem. That sure got my attention. ;D
Good Morning LGF.
Good morning to you, too.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:08:13am |
re: #324 Sharmuta
Just start a business, run it into the ground, then ask Congress for a bailout. It's what all the cool businesses are doing these days.
I couldn't do that to employees or the American people.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:08:33am |
re: #325 MandyManners
They won't face prosecution for having slaves here anymore.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:09:25am |
re: #312 Sharmuta
gmsc posted this earlier:
[Link: claytoncramer.com...]
If this is truly a zogby poll at the moment- this is totally whack.
Sex selection? Gee, look at how well that's served the Chinese people.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:06am |
Been keeping my eyes on the London Stock Exchange this morning. Doesn't look good still. But things may change later on.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:22am |
re: #330 MandyManners
Wait til they find the homosexual gene, then we can have orientation abortions too.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:29am |
re: #330 MandyManners
Sex selection? Gee, look at how well that's served the Chinese people.
Not to mention India as well.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:32am |
re: #328 Sharmuta
They won't face prosecution for having slaves here anymore.
Slave/no-slave sections on international flights?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:11:06am |
re: #329 Sharmuta
I was trying to make a joke.
I know. I'm feeling rather humor-impaired at times. Mebbe' my tea will help.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:11:53am |
What if 10% of us "just say no" to their slavery program?
/new government works project: Jail Building!
//or let's just cut to the chase and call them Concentration Camps.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:12:00am |
re: #332 Sharmuta
Wait til they find the homosexual gene, then we can have orientation abortions too.
I don't see how since many who oppose homosexuality also oppose abortion.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:12:56am |
Did anyone else notice WAB wore a solid, red dress to go to the White House?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:14:47am |
What's this shit about Hannah Montana having the Obama Girls on as guests? Gah. I'll have to stop The Kid from watching that. (He claims he doesn't now but, I catch him watching sometimes with a silly grin on his face. When I ask him about it, he almost shouts, "I hate Hannah Montana. She's ugly!" Yeah. Right.)
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:15:14am |
re: #339 MandyManners
Hey! We're boycotting TV! Remember?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:16am |
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:39am |
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:44am |
Ah, first pour.
So I see Obama & Co. have been busy gnawing at the foundations. Is it Mourning in America yet?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:59am |
re: #342 littleoldlady
Hey! We're boycotting TV! Remember?
I'm not boycotting Fox. However, my MUTE button is primed.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:17:02am |
re: #342 littleoldlady
Hey! We're boycotting TV! Remember?
No, we are boycotting the news networks. :)
/still some good t.v. out there I think.
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The Other Les Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:17:37am |
Thought for the Day
"Most Russians Urban-Americans don't care whether they are ruled by fascists or communists or even Martians as long as they can buy six kinds of sausage lettuce in the store and lots of cheap vodka overpriced gourmet coffee."
-- General Alexander Lebed The Other Les.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:18:16am |
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rightside Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:24am |
re: #344 MandyManners
The bloodletting. I figure WAB would have told Laura to GTFO of "her" house now.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:34am |
re: #349 littleoldlady
Right. HGTV, TCM, AMC.
The Longest Day (Movie) was on yesterday. Love that one!
Personal favorite has to be "A Bridge Too Far".
/well and Patton too
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:59am |
Actually, any kind of stand. It accumulates clutter.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:20:25am |
re: #352 rightside
The bloodletting. I figure WAB would have told Laura to GTFO of "her" house now.
Oy.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:20:51am |
I suppose Michelle is not ashamed to live in the White House now.
Someone should ask her.
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rightside Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:21:24am |
re: #355 MandyManners
Oh, I am sure you'll hear it referred to as the "black" house some now.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:22:02am |
Eight people were arrested after authorities found the woman's body hidden under some brush, on the side of a road several miles from the remote campsite where the initiation was planned.
Investigators found weapons, several flags and six Klan robes at the campsite, St. Tammany Parish Sheriff Jack Strain said in a news release.
SNIP
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:22:48am |
re: #356 godfrey
I suppose Michelle is not ashamed to live in the White House now.
Someone should ask her.
She'll withold her pride until 2012 to see if CBBHO gets reelected.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:23:31am |
re: #357 rightside
Oh, I am sure you'll hear it referred to as the "black" house some now.
I don't see it happening. Now, maybe the "Obamahouse".
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:25:48am |
Why can't the US government allow the big 3 auto manufacturers to go bankrupt? Is it because their unionized employees, bankers, suppliers and shareholders would get screwed? But that's what is supposed to happen in any bankruptcy, and then the company is supposed to emerge as a leaner, more competitive enterprise with a much lower cost structure.
What will government bailouts do except to prop up uncompetitive companies.
Would it not be better to let the big three go down, and save the bailout money to help the employees and suppliers to survive until the restructuring is done?
Who says size doesn't matter?!
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:25:56am |
Who voted for Obama? -- really good post at Clayton Cramer's. Note:
One of the reasons that Republicans can't hold onto power is that their policies promoting economic growth and low income tax rates--especially in the higher brackets--end up creating vast swarms of highly paid, undertaxed voters--who reward Republicans for this by voting Democratic.
He has some suggestions.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:29:41am |
For a dozen amusing/disturbing posts, see A Welsh View.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:32:18am |
Good morning {goddess}, welcome to the early mourning thread. ;)
/it isn't all that bad yet though.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:33:18am |
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:36:51am |
re: #367 BlueCanuck
It's getting worse: Obama likely to escape campaign audit.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:39:03am |
{Lizards}
I'm feeling better, thanks! It's amazing how a hot, steamy shower makes one feel better! I know about lunchtime I'll feel crummy, but onward!
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:41:30am |
re: #373 godfrey
Nice. I can see where this will end up down the road. Can you say campaign Infomercials?
/would we also get Shamwows with our donations?
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:41:55am |
Good morning, people.
You know, when you think about it, it's really a very odd phenomenon that gays (and apparently not only "activists" but also just normal people) are demonstrating after an election against results they don't like. What do they think is going to happen? The government will ignore the election results? There will be a new election?
This is very odd. And it seems to me to be just one or two couple of little steps to riots after an election.
I would call this phenomenon "ominous."
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:42:02am |
I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:44:27am |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
I'm picturing (smelling) a very stinky kitchen.
/hey! that's what happens here when MY mom comes to visit...
nonic! :-)
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:44:31am |
re: #376 nonic
Good morning, people.
You know, when you think about it, it's really a very odd phenomenon that gays (and apparently not only "activists" but also just normal people) are demonstrating after an election against results they don't like. What do they think is going to happen? The government will ignore the election results? There will be a new election?
This is very odd. And it seems to me to be just one or two couple of little steps to riots after an election.
I would call this phenomenon "ominous."
I'd call it just fine until the Molotov cocktails are lit.
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goddessoftheclassroom Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:45:25am |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.
I wonder whether Obama will invite his aunt from Boston?
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:46:57am |
I mean... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:50:31am |
re: #382 nonic
Would you mind explaining this "Following the RULES" thing to me? I'm not sure I get it...
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:51:31am |
re: #382 nonic
I mean... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.
There is no legitimate basis --- unless you believe that there is some sort of "higher principle" that demands waiving electoral results in order to ensure the implementation of some sort of policy.
That belief -- that laws, traditions, institutions should not be recognized if they hinder what is perceived to be necessary action -- is, of course, the root of totalitarianism.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:51:34am |
re: #332 Sharmuta
Wait till they find the homosexual gene, then we can have orientation abortions too.
That's definitely going to happen. Downs kids are currently being aborted. Short kids, ginger kids, potentially fat kids, any kid that doesn't fit the parent's idea of ideal.
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:51:55am |
re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom
I wonder whether Obama will invite his aunt from Boston?
I can hear the sounds of millions of suitcases opening across America.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:52:40am |
re: #382 nonic
I mean... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.
See- this is one of the things that makes me think things will be okay. They can't completely shut down free speech because then their own people wouldn't know what to do with their time if they couldn't protest.
I mean really- it's like it's all they live for.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:52:41am |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.
Who's gonna' pay for THAT?!
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:52:52am |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.
No kidding. Maybe that's the answer for Aunt Tooti or whatever her name is, the illegal one up in Boston. If she's got a room in the White House, then INS is hardly gonna boot her out, are they?
So, this means now the American taxpayer is going to support Barack Obama's mother-in-law. I presume we're not going to deduct for room and board out of her Social Security, right?
This is going to be a VERY interesting 4 years! LOL
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:20am |
re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom
I wonder whether Obama will invite his aunt from Boston?
Maybe after he's pardoned her and had her application for citizenship rushed through.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:21am |
re: #385 Lucius Septimius
Nota Bene: I'm not saying that people don't have a right to protest, but the belief that a law, once agreed upon by the electorate, should be overturned because of the demands of a minority is not a democratic sentiment.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:44am |
re: #386 Rancher
Excellent use of the selected quote, and I agree, so one ding for you... Rustler?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:56am |
re: #382 nonic
I mean... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.
So, dissent should be allowed only before an election?
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laZardo Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:54:49am |
re: #392 Lucius Septimius
Hence their likening of Prop-8-style legislation to things like Plessy v. Ferguson.
I don't quite get it either.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:55:47am |
re: #386 Rancher
That's definitely going to happen. Downs kids are currently being aborted. Short kids, ginger kids, potentially fat kids, any kid that doesn't fit the parent's idea of ideal.
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
It still won't prevent the fairies from leaving changelings.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:56:57am |
re: #395 laZardo
Hence their likening of Prop-8-style legislation to things like Plessy v. Ferguson.
I don't quite get it either.
Precisely -- they want judicial activism, yet don't realize that most of what they decry as tyranny was the result of judicial action (or non-action).
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NYCHardhat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:58:14am |
I know I should post this on the Bush thread, but I want to say it here anyway. Thank you, George Bush for your service to this country. A country that had artists and leftists making movies about your assassination. T-shirt makers raking in cash for countless moonbat slogans.(BushHitler) Unlike those ungrateful, SAFE Amercians, I would have voted for you to keep me safe for the next 8 years.
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gregg Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:00:48am |
re: #373 godfrey
It's getting worse: Obama likely to escape campaign audit.
That should be the final nail in the coffin of McCain-Feingold.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:00:51am |
re: #400 Sharmuta
He really needs to get his own nic, Dad.
Yeah, we're confused enough on a regular day without trying to figure out whose posting with whose nick. :)
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:00:57am |
re: #339 MandyManners
Did anyone else notice WAB wore a solid, red dress to go to the White House?
and looked tacky in it, i might add...
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:01:48am |
re: #378 littleoldlady
I'm picturing (smelling) a very stinky kitchen.
/hey! that's what happens here when MY mom comes to visit...
They were saying something about Ritz battered fried chicken for the kids.
Sounds pretty good.
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:02:39am |
re: #388 Sharmuta
Yeah, but there can be permitted "free speech" and banned "free speech." Which we're not all that far away from right now with political correctness regarding race and islam.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:02:48am |
re: #403 redc1c4
Despite recent events tearing republicans apart, let us have a moment of thanks that we will have a first lady we all can agree to enjoy snarking for years to come.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:03:42am |
re: #403 redc1c4
and looked tacky in it, i might add...
I thought she looked just fine but, it was an interesting choice of colors. Something tells me she didn't wear it as a Reagan-Red.
I still cannot get over the dress she wore last Tuesday night. Its symbolism just screamed.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:05:04am |
re: #406 Sharmuta
Despite recent events tearing republicans apart, let us have a moment of thanks that we will have a first lady we all can agree to enjoy snarking for years to come.
*rubbing hands with anticipatory glee*
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:05:23am |
re: #408 Rancher
Could be worse. He could be a WoW junkie.
/it has dragged down many a geek friend of mine.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:01am |
re: #409 MandyManners
*rubbing hands with anticipatory glee*
And, it's not glee based on her being the First Lady but, based on her being a freaking Commie.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:08am |
The more I think on that supposed zogby poll, the more suspicious I'm getting. Don't you think that would have been relayed to another source by now if it's a couple days old?
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redc1c4 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:19am |
re: #377 Spare O'Lake
I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.
personally, i hope it makes his life hell...
/even more than the j*b does.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:08:41am |
I read this morning that Obama got 40,000 fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. He won because Republicans stayed home.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:09:27am |
re: #415 Lucius Septimius
So- we were the real PUMAs all along, huh?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:09:32am |
re: #413 redc1c4
personally, i hope it makes his life hell...
/even more than the j*b does.
Maybe he'll soon be posting on a forum about mothers-in-law. I wonder what his nic will be.
CiC?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:09:41am |
re: #405 nonic
Yeah, but there can be permitted "free speech" and banned "free speech." Which we're not all that far away from right now with political correctness regarding race and islam.
Yup. The kids have been being taught in school for a decade or more now that there is NO TOLERANCE for "offensive" speech.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:09am |
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:18am |
re: #394 MandyManners
So, dissent should be allowed only before an election?
No, but the DAY AFTER the election? And "dissent" expressed against the VOTERS?
There was fear in police departments in big cities that there might be riots if Obama did not win the election. If there had been, you could call that "dissent," too. But I would call it really bad behavior, chaos, and anti-democratic mob rule.
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littleoldlady Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:50am |
Sadie gets a phone call from one of her sons..."Mom! I won the election! Now I want you to be there for my inauguration on January 20."
"Oh, I don't know...you know how I hate to travel."
"Don't worry, Mom. I'll send Air Force One for you. You'll be traveling in luxury and comfort. It's a big day for me, and I want you to be there to share it."
"Well, okay..."
Comes January 20th and Sadie has a front row seat at the inauguration. She leans over to the woman beside her and whispers:
"See that young man with his hand on the bible?...His brother's a doctor!"
Good day, ALL!™
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:58am |
re: #419 galloping granny
Yup. The kids have been being taught in school for a decade or more now that there is NO TOLERANCE for "offensive" speech.
DING DING DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:11:12am |
re: #419 galloping granny
Morning granny. Have I ever mentioned how much I hate PCspeak? Almost orwellian in nature by restricting a persons thought.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:07am |
re: #403 redc1c4
and looked tacky in it, i might add...
"tacky" is not quite the right word. Tacky is when you have no sense of style at all and look like you are wearing a paper bag. I would call that much too tight for a lady of any stripe screaming red dress upscale ho.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:18am |
ROFLMAO, bye littleoldlady. Have yourself a good day now.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:45am |
re: #420 Lucius Septimius
PUMA = Party Unity My Ass. It was being used for Hillary supporters working against 0bama, but I think it was really better suited to us after all.
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laZardo Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:57am |
re: #415 Lucius Septimius
Sounded like ACORN didn't need to do much, if at all. That would have rendered the ACORN fears relatively moot though.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:13:49am |
re: #424 BlueCanuck
Morning granny. Have I ever mentioned how much I hate PCspeak? Almost orwellian in nature by restricting a persons thought.
I don't know if you have mentioned it, but I sure have. Fox used to have a good column that publicized ridiculous incidents around the country, but that is long gone. Unfortunately.
When we lose our tolerance we are lost as a people and as a nation.
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laZardo Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:11am |
re: #421 nonic
No, but the DAY AFTER the election? And "dissent" expressed against the VOTERS?
There was fear in police departments in big cities that there might be riots if Obama did not win the election. If there had been, you could call that "dissent," too. But I would call it really bad behavior, chaos, and anti-democratic mob rule.
If riots start happening now, they'd call it "overzealous celebrations."
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:14am |
re: #407 MandyManners
I thought she looked just fine but, it was an interesting choice of colors. Something tells me she didn't wear it as a Reagan-Red.
I still cannot get over the dress she wore last Tuesday night. Its symbolism just screamed.
Wasn't one of the kids dressed in black? I mean, who dresses a little girl in black? Not even at a funeral.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:14am |
re: #427 Sharmuta
PUMA = Party Unity My Ass. It was being used for Hillary supporters working against 0bama, but I think it was really better suited to us after all.
Ah! Yep --- that was the case. Republicans were demoralized by the media and an incredibly inept McCain campaign. That the latter is now blaming Palin for their troubles -- the woman who have them the only bump of the campaign -- shows what a bunch of whiney losers they really are.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:47am |
Gotta go to work -- keep chumming the waters of indignation.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:15:48am |
Weak-ass defense of Sarah by McCain on Leno last night.
"These things happen in campaigns."
"I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisers...A top adviser said? ... I've never even heard of ... a top adviser or a high-ranking Republican official...I have a thousand top advisors."
He knows who was spreading that bull.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:15:53am |
re: #415 Lucius Septimius
I read this morning that Obama got 40,000 fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. He won because Republicans stayed home.
I'm still trying to figure out how a full 62.2% of the adults age 18+ in the state of Vermont showed up at the polls. In a pigs eye they did.
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Long Nics are Looonnng Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:16:38am |
It worked! Sweet! Morning everybody!
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:17:43am |
re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It worked! Sweet! Morning everybody!
Morning FBV. Pretty cold in Canada you know.
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:17:51am |
galloping granny
I've got another recommendation for you. "World War I, the Complete Story," narrated by Robert Ryan, put out by CBS News, over 10 hours, all archival footage, and a broader canvas, more of the contextual history. Very good. Except that the DVD isn't all that easy to navigate, but the content is good.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:18:33am |
Morning FBV. Nice avatar. I think we have some spare space up here for you.
/lets see now, Saskatchewan? yeah, Manitoba needs a wind break. ;)
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NC State of Mind Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:19:41am |
re: #435 Rancher
Weak-ass defense of Sarah by McCain on Leno last night.
"These things happen in campaigns."
"I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisers...A top adviser said? ... I've never even heard of ... a top adviser or a high-ranking Republican official...I have a thousand top advisors."
He knows who was spreading that bull.
So much for naming names, huh? I'm immensley disappointed in McCain's handling of this. Greta van Sustern has been more helpful for Palin during this mess.
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:20:17am |
re: #406 Sharmuta
Despite recent events tearing republicans apart, let us have a moment of thanks that we will have a first lady we all can agree to enjoy snarking for years to come.
Yeah? I wanna know what she's going to do in this administration. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she's going to just take care of the kids and gossip with her mother.
What is Michelle's agenda? and how much power is Barack going to give her?
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Long Nics are Looonnng Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:20:18am |
re: #441 galloping granny
Shouldn't that be "don'tcha know"?
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:20:27am |
re: #415 Lucius Septimius
I read this morning that Obama got 40,000 fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. He won because Republicans stayed home.
Imagine if he had picked Lieberman as some in his campaign had hoped? Idiots.
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:21:47am |
re: #412 Sharmuta
The more I think on that supposed zogby poll, the more suspicious I'm getting. Don't you think that would have been relayed to another source by now if it's a couple days old?
What's that? Please.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:23:00am |
re: #442 nonic
galloping granny
I've got another recommendation for you. "World War I, the Complete Story," narrated by Robert Ryan, put out by CBS News, over 10 hours, all archival footage, and a broader canvas, more of the contextual history. Very good. Except that the DVD isn't all that easy to navigate, but the content is good.
Is it this one? [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Arriving about 12:30
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:24:06am |
re: #415 Lucius Septimius
That was true nationally as well. Nationally, Obama only received 400,000 more votes than Bush in 2004. McCain received 7 million fewer.
Conclusion: Obama got his base out. The GOP failed to get its base out.
I personally think the financial "disaster" and Paulson's "hair on fire" response just two months before the election tanked McCain in any event. McCain's response ("suspend the campaign") was more than inept. It poured gasoline on the flames. You wanted to calm main street, not frighten it.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:24:18am |
Good morning folks.
Should be a strange day on the market. The Nikkei and HangSeng dropped again 1% to 2% overnight, while at the same time the DOW, S&P and NASDAQ futures are slightly up.
We are in a very bearish mood in the market where at the least thing, a sell wave hits. There is not a whole lot of good news out there. I suspect we are going to see one more large sell of wave in the next week or two to reach what the technical analysts call"capitulation".
Some good news though is the NYT continues to swirl around the drain, with their stock price hitting a nnew low of $8.12 yesterday.
Oil is down to $58.38 and I bought gas the other day for $1.94 a gallon.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:24:21am |
curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem? re: #400 Sharmuta
He really needs to get his own nic, Dad.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:26:20am |
re: #435 Rancher
Weak-ass defense of Sarah by McCain on Leno last night.
"These things happen in campaigns."
"I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisers...A top adviser said? ... I've never even heard of ... a top adviser or a high-ranking Republican official...I have a thousand top advisors."
He knows who was spreading that bull.
This would have ended in 5 seconds if he had held a press conference, denied the stories, and said that he will find out whoever is spreading the rumors and they will never work in Washington again.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:27:08am |
re: #452 apachegunner
Shouldn't be a problem. I have logged in using two nics in two different browsers. Did it just to test something, and to *cough*correct a mistake*cough*.
/got a back up just because the nic was too cool to pass up.
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NC State of Mind Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:27:35am |
re: #452 apachegunner
curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem?
I thought you did that and he blocked your other name. Or was that someone else?
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:28:06am |
re: #455 BlueCanuck
yeah, I did to for awhile but the big guy cut me off. remember ratso?
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:28:39am |
re: #452 apachegunner
curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem?
I'm just waiting to get in trouble for that, too.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:10am |
re: #456 NC State of Mind
I thought you did that and he blocked your other name. Or was that someone else?
I guess it depends on how they are used. If you use it as a troll or moby, and the other as support. . . .. . . *WHAM* Door gets shut.
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:16am |
re: #453 3 wood
McCain's failure to defend Palin demonstrates that "honor" is not such a big thing for him any more. The GOP picked a flawed vessel.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:42am |
re: #450 quickjustice
McCain's response ("suspend the campaign") was more than inept. It poured gasoline on the flames. You wanted to calm main street, not frighten it.
When McCain did that I came on LGF and said that McCain had screwed the pooch. I know some people here were not happy with that comment, but now we can see it was true.
He put the market crash on his back and raised expectations of a quick fix, which was impossible to do.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:30:14am |
re: #460 BlueCanuck
wait a minute, i never used the second handle for anything other than chat with the fellow green people.
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Empire1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:31:09am |
Good morning, all! I need to take advantage of the Lizard Knowledge Base, if you don't mind.
I'm getting back into oil painting (don't have much talent, but it's fun), and have seen mention of water-mixable oils that don't require turpentine or other nasties for clean-up. (And you can also get them out of clothing and dog fur!) Have any of you used them? What do you think of them? I've got some standard oils left over from my last foray into this, but if the water-mixables are any good, I'd happily switch.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:31:20am |
re: #450 quickjustice
That was true nationally as well. Nationally, Obama only received 400,000 more votes than Bush in 2004. McCain received 7 million fewer.
Conclusion: Obama got his base out. The GOP failed to get its base out.
I personally think the financial "disaster" and Paulson's "hair on fire" response just two months before the election tanked McCain in any event. McCain's response ("suspend the campaign") was more than inept. It poured gasoline on the flames. You wanted to calm main street, not frighten it.
What tanked McCain's campaign was not that he rushed off to Washington, it was that he pushed through the biggest bailout in US history, one that more than 80% of Americans were against. Had he stood
against the bailout bill he would have won by a landslide.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:31:55am |
re: #465 Empire1
my wife is a portrait artist and she loves them
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:32:52am |
re: #462 3 wood
And he also failed to place the blame squarly where it belonged, instead he put out that "Wall Street greed" crap, which I guess was you 3 wood.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:33:29am |
re: #452 apachegunner
curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem?
I know of several sets of lizards who happen to have the same IP number because they are parent/child or husband/wife.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:33:48am |
re: #461 quickjustice
McCain's failure to defend Palin demonstrates that "honor" is not such a big thing for him any more. The GOP picked a flawed vessel.
Yep, it reminded me of a sports franchise that is falling apart and puts an old fading star in the field hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.
It was a perfect storm in favor of the Democrats.
But the Dem's will eventually screw up too. Look at yesterday's snafu with leaking details of the private conversation with Bush. The Dem's are so used to running to the spin masters on the New York Pravda, that they do not realize they don;t have to do that anymore.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:34:41am |
re: #421 nonic
No, but the DAY AFTER the election? And "dissent" expressed against the VOTERS?
There was fear in police departments in big cities that there might be riots if Obama did not win the election. If there had been, you could call that "dissent," too. But I would call it really bad behavior, chaos, and anti-democratic mob rule.
To me, it is a sacred right of Americans to protest. Once it turns into a riot, though, it's no longer purely protest.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:35:05am |
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:35:09am |
re: #469 galloping granny
yes, that should be the way i would think but when charles runs that setup those will appear, how would he know?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:35:29am |
re: #431 nonic
Wasn't one of the kids dressed in black? I mean, who dresses a little girl in black? Not even at a funeral.
One was dressed in black, the other in red.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:36:10am |
re: #468 Rancher
And he also failed to place the blame squarly where it belonged, instead he put out that "Wall Street greed" crap, which I guess was you 3 wood.
Yep, it's all my fault.
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windhorse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:36:18am |
re: #461 quickjustice
you hit the nail squarely on the head!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:08am |
re: #445 nonic
Yeah? I wanna know what she's going to do in this administration. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she's going to just take care of the kids and gossip with her mother.
What is Michelle's agenda? and how much power is Barack going to give her?
I doubt they'll be upfront about it seeing how badly HRC's role was recieved.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:10am |
re: #457 apachegunner
Oh, yeah. Well I only use mine in special circumsances, and only logged on one at a time.
Gotta go relief is here. Stay scaly folks.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:17am |
re: #474 apachegunner
yes, that should be the way i would think but when charles runs that setup those will appear, how would he know?
He might just ask - he does have email addresses, after all. Or he might just watch the postings - usually pretty apparent that it is two different people. Socks, mobys and trolls are usually pretty apparent anyway. They don't post much. Show up having "been here a year or more" with 30 postings to their name.
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:53am |
re: #466 galloping granny
The trouble with "what if" scenarios is that we'll never know for sure. Had I been advising McCain, I would have told him to condemn the bailout as the wrong approach to a very real financial crisis, damning Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Obama, Dodd, Frank, and the rest. I also would have said that there needed to be a rescue that respected moral hazard, but that this was not it.
Trouble with that approach: The Bush Administration was in charge, and it was their guy Paulson who was setting the barn on fire. Tough for McCain to attack his own President credibly.
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nonic Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:54am |
re: #449 galloping granny
That one's good, too. But the one I'm watching now is this one [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Incidentally, remember when I said I didn't understand why the US got involved? Well, as it happened, while watching the first series (the one you linked to), I had somehow missed the whole disc with the sinking of the Lusitania on it. So I went back and watched that and got a little more understanding.
Although, as (I think it was Lizardo who said), that was in 1915 and Wilson strongly discouraged entering the war after it. It wasn't until the Zimmerman telegram (as Lizardo? said), showing that the Germans were trying to get Mexico to invade the US, that the Americans got sufficiently riled up.
However, my opinion (so far) is that Mexico had its own problems (revolution) at the time and was not a serious threat, ... and the REAL reason was that the American government, American financial institutions, and financiers had lent a lot of money to the Allies in Europe, and the only way they were going to get it back was if the Allies won.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:40:03am |
re: #475 MandyManners
there was a lizard who observed the other dress as very much like a black widow, how appropriate huh?
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:40:05am |
re: #476 3 wood
Imagine greedy Wall Street wanting to get a maximum return for their investors instead of spreading the wealth! And this from our candidate!
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:40:16am |
re: #481 quickjustice
The trouble with "what if" scenarios is that we'll never know for sure. Had I been advising McCain, I would have told him to condemn the bailout as the wrong approach to a very real financial crisis, damning Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Obama, Dodd, Frank, and the rest. I also would have said that there needed to be a rescue that respected moral hazard, but that this was not it.
Trouble with that approach: The Bush Administration was in charge, and it was their guy Paulson who was setting the barn on fire. Tough for McCain to attack his own President credibly.
After the American people showed themselves to be overwhelmingly against the bailout he should have respected that - and would have won if he had.
McCain had only two choices - support Bush and confirm that he was just Bush III or go against "his own President." He knew that going into the campaign. Should have had the guts to distance himself of the biggest issue that has come up in many a decade.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:41:37am |
re: #466 galloping granny
Had he stood against the bailout bill he would have won by a landslide.
In retrospect I doubt there was anything McCain could have done to win by a landslide. Do the same polls which I assume gave you that 80% statistic support your interesting theory?
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:41:43am |
re: #296 MandyManners
How can one wish to impose servitude on Americans and not despise America?
I think the well intentioned fools see it as something akin to a draft in WWII when the entire citizenry was mobilized in response to a threat to national security.
But they miss the point.
National Defense is specifically outlined as a constitutional role of the national government, cleaning up streets and communities is a role best left to local communities.
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BaseballMom57 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:42:15am |
Charles - the poppy and the flag added to the banner is very cool!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:43:30am |
re: #485 apachegunner
there was a lizard who observed the other dress as very much like a black widow, how appropriate huh?
Don't black widows kill their mates? I doubt the USSS would appreciate that very much.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:43:47am |
re: #482 nonic
That one's good, too. But the one I'm watching now is this one [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Incidentally, remember when I said I didn't understand why the US got involved? Well, as it happened, while watching the first series (the one you linked to), I had somehow missed the whole disc with the sinking of the Lusitania on it. So I went back and watched that and got a little more understanding.
Although, as (I think it was Lizardo who said), that was in 1915 and Wilson strongly discouraged entering the war after it. It wasn't until the Zimmerman telegram (as Lizardo? said), showing that the Germans were trying to get Mexico to invade the US, that the Americans got sufficiently riled up.
However, my opinion (so far) is that Mexico had its own problems (revolution) at the time and was not a serious threat, ... and the REAL reason was that the American government, American financial institutions, and financiers had lent a lot of money to the Allies in Europe, and the only way they were going to get it back was if the Allies won.
Funny how things come together, isn't it?
I'll see if I can find that one online or to download somewhere. I've about used up my DVD budget for the present.
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Long Nics are Looonnng Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:44:02am |
Morning Wood!
Markets and stuff don't understand 'em. But I do not remember a year in my adult life that GM/Ford/Chrysler had a great year.
Haven't the big three been staving off death for 30 years? Am I totally wrong?
Chrysler had a "decent" run under Iacocca. Pretty much it though. I'd like to know how they can re-create without just filing/re-organizing.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:45:23am |
re: #458 Rancher
I'm just waiting to get in trouble for that, too.
Just send Charles an email- he's usually pretty understanding. Also- Rustler's pretty good about saying when it's him and not you. But clearing it with the Big Guy's always a good idea, you know?
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:45:42am |
President-elect Obama is apparently being sent advice from the terrorists:
Taliban to Obama: Withdraw U.S. Troops From Iraq, Afghanistan
NEW YORK -- Taliban insurgents battling the U.S.-backed Afghan government urged President-elect Barack Obama to change course in U.S. foreign policy and withdraw American troops from both Afghanistan and Iraq, an Internet monitoring service said Tuesday.
The message posted on a Web site used by the Taliban claimed Obama's victory "reveals the collective willingness of American people not to continue the current despicable and anti-human wars in Afghanistan and Iraq," SITE Intelligence Group said.
And they want to make a deal:
Three days after the election, two Iraqi insurgent groups posted separate Internet messages reported by SITE calling on Obama to withdraw troops from Iraq. Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, self-styled head of the Al Qaeda front group Islamic State of Iraq, said "You do not interfere in the affairs of our countries. We, in turn, will not prevent commerce with you, whether it is in oil or otherwise."
The authors claimed that Obama had promised to end Bush's policies pledging to "recover the dwindling American economy and find a niche in the comity of nations."
Well, maybe Obama can dispatch his friend Bill Ayers to meet with these other terrorists to hammer out a deal.
You know, terrorist to terrorist.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:45:47am |
yes mandy, killing her mate might mean something such as killing his presidency with her mouth re: #491 MandyManners
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:46:06am |
re: #489 shanec99
I think the well intentioned fools see it as something akin to a draft in WWII when the entire citizenry was mobilized in response to a threat to national security.
But they miss the point.
National Defense is specifically outlined as a constitutional role of the national government, cleaning up streets and communities is a role best left to local communities.
Rahm Emanuel saw a role in helping address another terrorist attack or cleaning up after another Katrina.
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BaseballMom57 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:46:06am |
re: #465 Empire1
My M-I-L uses them, and she likes them a lot. As far as appearance, I can't tell the difference between the water mixables and the oil-based. She says the water mixables are quite a bit more spendy, though.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:47:18am |
re: #496 apachegunner
yes mandy, killing her mate might mean something such as killing his presidency with her mouth
Ahhh... I hadn't thought about that. Good point.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:48:08am |
re: #486 Rancher
Imagine greedy Wall Street wanting to get a maximum return for their investors instead of spreading the wealth! And this from our candidate!
I guess I will have to be sent to a re-education camp.
Sounds like McCain is already getting with the new program. Blame commerce, free enterprise, and profit making.
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:48:56am |
re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Detroit invented their business model for the post-WWII generation. Different "brands" for different socio-economic strata. "Chevy" was cheaper than "Oldsmobile", which in turn was cheaper than "Buick". And Cadillac was king.
They never changed, even in the face of foreign competition that eventually overwhelmed them with better quality and better value. A bailout won't save them. It'll merely squander taxpayer dollars trying to keep the Titanic afloat.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:49:12am |
re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Morning Wood!
Markets and stuff don't understand 'em. But I do not remember a year in my adult life that GM/Ford/Chrysler had a great year.
Haven't the big three been staving off death for 30 years? Am I totally wrong?
Chrysler had a "decent" run under Iacocca. Pretty much it though. I'd like to know how they can re-create without just filing/re-organizing.
Me either. And haven't they been filing and re-organizing for some time now? American auto manufacturers just don't get it (too bad as old Henry laid it out for them in spades) - we want a quality product that will still be running when it is paid for and we want it at a low price. Above all, though, we want quality. As long as the premium for quality is a few thousand bucks between a Toyota or Honda and a Ford or Chevy, Honda and Toyota carry the biggest bang for the buck.
If they want to sell a low quality product, then they need to do it at Dollar Store pricing.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:50:56am |
re: #502 quickjustice
we are bailing out the unions health benefits and pensions thats all it is
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:51:54am |
re: #500 3 wood
I guess I will have to be sent to a re-education camp.
Sounds like McCain is already getting with the new program. Blame commerce, free enterprise, and profit making.
My heart sank when I saw him and Palin doing that. It was as if they didn't think the voters were smart enough to understand complexities, instead prefering to go into sound-bite mode.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:53:38am |
As far as bailing out the Big Three it will be money down a hole that won't be repaid like the Chrysler loan because they will still be burdened by the union pensions. Some sort of limited bankruptcy deal should be brokered that eliminates that but no way will this congress or Obama allow it, they owe the unions too much.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:54:17am |
Will WAB's mom get Secret Service protection? Other than Pres. Bush's parents for obvious reasons, have other in-laws had it?
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:54:36am |
re: #504 apachegunner
You're correct. Although part of the deal Detroit struck with Big Labor in the 1950s was generous pensions and employee welfare plans in exchange for labor peace. That deal was sustainable only as long as Detroit was profitable.
The unions benefited from their bargain for fifty years. Now it's not sustainable, with or without a bailout.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:55:11am |
re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Morning Wood!
Markets and stuff don't understand 'em. But I do not remember a year in my adult life that GM/Ford/Chrysler had a great year.
Haven't the big three been staving off death for 30 years? Am I totally wrong?
Chrysler had a "decent" run under Iacocca. Pretty much it though. I'd like to know how they can re-create without just filing/re-organizing.
Back in the 70's and 80's management negotiated a bunch of labor contracts that provided some very rich benefits to retirees. That would not have been a problem if they had then set aside the cost of those obligations in an escrow account to pay for it today, but they did not mainly cause the ones who negotiated the deals knew they would not be around either to have to pay for it. It's called "buying a contract."
I don't blame labor, I'd have taken the deals too, they were so good.
But now these "legacy costs" are coming due as all those workers are now retired, cashing in on the benefits, and the auto makers have no money to pay them.
So we have a difficult choice. Let the auto makers go bust and deal with the resulting problems for their retirees, or prop them up so hopefully they cna recover and pay off these legacy costs themselves.
Myself, I think we have to stop propong up broken companies.
Keeping the financial system solvent is one thing, helping out individual businesses is something else.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:55:55am |
re: #508 MandyManners
Will WAB's mom get Secret Service protection? Other than Pres. Bush's parents for obvious reasons, have other in-laws had it?
Yes. Standard.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:55:59am |
re: #505 MandyManners
My heart sank when I saw him and Palin doing that. It was as if they didn't think the voters were smart enough to understand complexities, instead preferring to go into sound-bite mode.
I think Sarah had a real problem with that but she was a loyal soldier. Too bad McCain isn't as loyal to her.
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windhorse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:56:37am |
Our country will continue to nosedive until we eradicate the entire entitlement thing... unions are entitled to blah-blah-blah (hand outstretched, palm up...waiting). Poor, disenfranchised (spelled l-a-z-y) people are entitled to blah-blah-blah... (hand outstretched, palm up... waiting). Investment bankers, automakers...etc. etc. etc.
At the risk of sounding heartless, these should all be stopped and our society "reducated" in a meaningful way... you know, eight hours pay for eight hours of work, quality and pride in workmanship, loyalty (in both directions) - the old fashioned way.
How can anyone feel sorry for the automakers (for example) who have (like everyone else) shipped so many jobs overseas ALL FOR THE SAKE OF THE BOTTOM LINE... and they still cannot keep their heads above water. And we are supposed to bail them out?
I refuse to buy anything but American autos... but I'll be damned if I am going to ALSO bail them out...
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:56:40am |
re: #508 MandyManners
Will WAB's mom get Secret Service protection? Other than Pres. Bush's parents for obvious reasons, have other in-laws had it?
She will at least by proxy now, won't she?
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windhorse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:57:55am |
re: #513 windhorse
oh yeah... speaking of entitlements... the mother-in-law bs should never happen.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:58:01am |
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:58:55am |
re: #509 quickjustice
You're correct. Although part of the deal Detroit struck with Big Labor in the 1950s was generous pensions and employee welfare plans in exchange for labor peace. That deal was sustainable only as long as Detroit was profitable.
The unions benefited from their bargain for fifty years. Now it's not sustainable, with or without a bailout.
And it has not really been sustainable since the first gas crisis hit in the 70's. For a very short period of time Detroit tried on a couple of smaller car models with much better gas mileage, but that was thrown to the four winds within a decade or so. I laugh when I hear them tout "better gas mileage - 30 miles to the gallon!" Better than what? My Pinto got 40 or 50 miles to the gallon and my Yugo got nearly 60 - in town. For that matter, the American cars I drove in the 60s got 20+
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:59:30am |
Am having trouble understanding the objection to having Michelle Obama's mother move into the White House. Do we think what this 70-year-old woman eats is going to add significantly to the WH grocery bill?
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Empire1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:00:21am |
re: #467 apachegunner
my wife is a portrait artist and she loves them
Thanks! That's one mark in the "switch" category.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:00:35am |
re: #517 MandyManners
I had no idea.
Think about the bargaining chip the kidnap of the parent of a sitting president would make. . . .
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:00:50am |
re: #515 Sharmuta
She will at least by proxy now, won't she?
More than previous in-laws due to her living in the WH?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:01:37am |
re: #521 galloping granny
Think about the bargaining chip the kidnap of the parent of a sitting president would make. . . .
What about his in-laws?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:08am |
re: #519 JustMyView
Am having trouble understanding the objection to having Michelle Obama's mother move into the White House. Do we think what this 70-year-old woman eats is going to add significantly to the WH grocery bill?
I don't have any problem with it. Quite apparently she had been raising her grandchildren while WAB works, like many other grandparents these days. Including me. Those children are about to lose their home, their friends, and their freedom. They should not lose their primary caretaker too.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:27am |
re: #523 MandyManners
What about his in-laws?
Dumb question now that I think about it.
How far does it extend? First cousins okay? What about aunts and uncles? Siblings?
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x-wing Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:55am |
re: #521 galloping granny
Think about the bargaining chip the kidnap of the parent of a sitting president would make. . . .
What about a doped up half brother living in Kenya on two bucks a day?
That shit happens alot in Columbia.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:56am |
re: #524 galloping granny
I don't have any problem with it. Quite apparently she had been raising her grandchildren while WAB works, like many other grandparents these days. Including me. Those children are about to lose their home, their friends, and their freedom. They should not lose their primary caretaker too.
I hadn't thought of it that way.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:17am |
re: #523 MandyManners
What about his in-laws?
I don't know how far out it extends, but SS protection does cover immediate family, including the immediate family of the president's spouse.
Also some other key government figures and their families.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:45am |
re: #519 JustMyView
I think it will be nice the girls will have their grandmother close. Their lives under the microscope are about to get a lot more intense and that can be hard on kids- especially girls.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:53am |
re: #526 x-wing
What about a doped up half brother living in Kenya on two bucks a day?
That shit happens alot in Columbia.
How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:29am |
re: #529 Sharmuta
I think it will be nice the girls will have their grandmother close. Their lives under the microscope are about to get a lot more intense and that can be hard on kids- especially girls.
But, hey! They've been invited to appear on Hannah Montana!
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windhorse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:31am |
re: #529 Sharmuta
I agree... I take back my last comment if the Grandma is helping with the kids.
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:57am |
re: #519 JustMyView
Jimmy Carter had brother Billy, Miss Lillian, and the rest of his family wandering around the White House. (Anyone remember "Billy Beer"?) Why shouldn't Michelle's mama, and the rest of Obama's family, including his illegal aunt up in Boston, and his half-brother in Kenya, move into the White [Plantation] House as well?
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:58am |
re: #526 x-wing
Pppfffttt! Yes- I demand SS protection for George!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:05:17am |
re: #528 galloping granny
I don't know how far out it extends, but SS protection does cover immediate family, including the immediate family of the president's spouse.
Also some other key government figures and their families.
Speakers of the House/Senate? Heads of the cabinet?
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NC State of Mind Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:05:40am |
re: #530 MandyManners
How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?
Jeremiah Wright? He did say he could no more disown him than he could a member of his family.
But Wright would never live in a 'white' house, so we're good on that one.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:06:05am |
re: #523 MandyManners
What about his in-laws?
Ever see Ruthless People?
Barbara: So, when do I get out of here?
Sandy: As soon as Mr. Stone pays the ransom.
Barbara: What's the problem? What is the ransom?
Sandy: Well, we asked for $500,000.
Barbara: That should be no problem.
Sandy: He wouldn't pay.
Barbara: He wouldn't pay?
Sandy: Then we asked him for $50,000.
Barbara: Yeah?
Sandy: He still wouldn't pay. So now we're lowering our price to $10,000.
Barbara: Do I understand this correctly? I'm being marked down?
[Starts crying]
Barbara: I've been kidnapped by K-Mart!
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x-wing Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:06:18am |
re: #530 MandyManners
How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?
That's why I asked. He has alot of family in a very poor country, and someone just might want to get "paid". This could turn into a nightmare.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:01am |
re: #536 NC State of Mind
Jeremiah Wright? He did say he could no more disown him than he could a member of his family.
But Wright would never live in a 'white' house, so we're good on that one.
He already lives in a gated community.
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:14am |
re: #530 MandyManners
How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?
Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list of who's eligible.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:23am |
re: #537 Rancher
Ever see Ruthless People?
Barbara: So, when do I get out of here?
Sandy: As soon as Mr. Stone pays the ransom.
Barbara: What's the problem? What is the ransom?
Sandy: Well, we asked for $500,000.
Barbara: That should be no problem.
Sandy: He wouldn't pay.
Barbara: He wouldn't pay?
Sandy: Then we asked him for $50,000.
Barbara: Yeah?
Sandy: He still wouldn't pay. So now we're lowering our price to $10,000.
Barbara: Do I understand this correctly? I'm being marked down?
[Starts crying]
Barbara: I've been kidnapped by K-Mart!
Bette Middler was priceless.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:41am |
re: #538 x-wing
That's why I asked. He has alot of family in a very poor country, and someone just might want to get "paid". This could turn into a nightmare.
Oh, the logistics!
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:51am |
re: #465 Empire1
i am a wood block print maker and use oil based printing ink i have tried the water based stuff which comes in two vastly different quality levels one kind is just really for children in schools and is of a poor quality, the more professional kind still isn't as good as oil based printers ink.
now if i were to print using the japanese method which is all water based using a form of water color as the ink. But i learned using western methods and like them.
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:08:07am |
re: #519 JustMyView
Am having trouble understanding the objection to having Michelle Obama's mother move into the White House. Do we think what this 70-year-old woman eats is going to add significantly to the WH grocery bill?
When we start butting into people's private lives we infringe on thier personal liberty to go about thier lives without interferance.
Objecting to a woman having her mother live with her is just plain nasty and petty.
What would they rather, would they rather Mrs. Obama put her in a nursing home.
Good Lord, leave the woman and her personal family decisions alone. People private lives are their own. Stop acting like damned liberals, we cannot one moment call ourselves conservatives and pretend to be committed to personal liberty and the next moment interfere with people's lives because it gets us some cheap political points.
good grief.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:08:20am |
re: #535 MandyManners
Speakers of the House/Senate? Heads of the cabinet?
Any one in the line for the presidency. Not just that though.
Foreign dignitaries and heads of states. Key government employees. Depends on the circumstances.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:08:35am |
re: #518 galloping granny
speaking of gas prices I am betting the off shore drilling ban will be put back in place shortly and a federal tax of 1 to 2 dollars per gallon follows closely. these prices are too low for the libs and greeners and now will be there chance.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:09:17am |
re: #540 JustMyView
Thank you, JMV- I actually learned something from you.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:09:32am |
re: #519 JustMyView
the nobama clan has to pay for the groceries in the white house, they are not free with the job.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:10:34am |
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:11:40am |
re: #544 shanec99
When we start butting into people's private lives we infringe on thier personal liberty to go about thier lives without interferance.
Objecting to a woman having her mother live with her is just plain nasty and petty.
What would they rather, would they rather Mrs. Obama put her in a nursing home.
Good Lord, leave the woman and her personal family decisions alone. People private lives are their own. Stop acting like damned liberals, we cannot one moment call ourselves conservatives and pretend to be committed to personal liberty and the next moment interfere with people's lives because it gets us some cheap political points.
good grief.
Don't you lose a huge amount of privacy when you run for the highest office in the land?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:11:53am |
re: #545 galloping granny
Any one in the line for the presidency. Not just that though.
Foreign dignitaries and heads of states. Key government employees. Depends on the circumstances.
I've no problem with that.
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:10am |
re: #548 apachegunner
the nobama clan has to pay for the groceries in the white house, they are not free with the job.
Really? Are you sure?
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NC State of Mind Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:12am |
re: #540 JustMyView
Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list of who's eligible.
Children of former presidents are only granted protection up until age 16? That's a little suprising. I thought I heard something about Chelsea having protection in a story about her boyfriend/fiancee not too many years ago
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:28am |
re: #550 Rancher
So was Danny DeVito. "I love wrong numbers."
His height is a large part of his charm.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:32am |
re: #552 MandyManners
Mandy- JMV linked to the USSS and who they protect in #540.
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:45am |
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:11am |
re: #548 apachegunner
the nobama clan has to pay for the groceries in the white house, they are not free with the job.
First families are given a chunk of change to spend as they see fit.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:26am |
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christheprofessor Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:47am |
Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:50am |
re: #551 MandyManners
Don't you lose a huge amount of privacy when you run for the highest office in the land?
Yes you do, so why should we take even more from them.
Decency demands that we behave appropriately, leave the woman and her mom alone. If the woman wants to have her mom live with her that should be her business. No body elses.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:54am |
re: #554 NC State of Mind
Children of former presidents are only granted protection up until age 16? That's a little suprising. I thought I heard something about Chelsea having protection in a story about her boyfriend/fiancee not too many years ago
Please note the line that says "others by Executive Order."
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:04am |
re: #553 JustMyView
yes, nobama will receive a monthly bill for groceries, as did all the presidents before him
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:18am |
re: #557 JustMyView
If we ever had a poll on best mannered troll, you would win in a landslide.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:23am |
re: #560 christheprofessor
Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?
Nope. YOu need a reboot.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:25am |
re: #540 JustMyView
Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list of who's eligible.
Why does the protection stop at the age of 16 for kids of former presidents? That makes no sense at all. Sixteen is not an adult.
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Empire1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:35am |
re: #498 BaseballMom57
My M-I-L uses them, and she likes them a lot. As far as appearance, I can't tell the difference between the water mixables and the oil-based. She says the water mixables are quite a bit more spendy, though.
That's two! And the prices I saw at Michael's or in the Blick catalog were about the same for the regular and the water mixable were about the same. We don't have a real art store in the area, though, so I have no idea what they'd be there.
Thanks for the info!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:47am |
re: #560 christheprofessor
Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?
Hit reload the next time you get back to this page.
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Sharmuta Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:26am |
re: #559 MandyManners
Here Mandy-
[Link: www.secretservice.gov...]
* The president, the vice president, (or other individuals next in order of succession to the Office of the President), the president-elect and vice president-elect
* The immediate families of the above individuals
* Former presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes, except when the spouse remarries. In 1997, Congressional legislation became effective limiting Secret Service protection to former presidents for a period of not more than 10 years from the date the former president leaves office
* Children of former presidents until age 16
* Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad
* Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
* Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President
* National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:33am |
re: #564 Sharmuta
If we ever had a poll on best mannered troll, you would win in a landslide.
Great line. You gave me a good laugh.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:44am |
re: #561 shanec99
Yes you do, so why should we take even more from them.
Decency demands that we behave appropriately, leave the woman and her mom alone. If the woman wants to have her mom live with her that should be her business. No body elses.
Well, it is our business to the extent that it is our house, too. But, I'm in agreement with you for the most part.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:48am |
re: #566 MandyManners
Why does the protection stop at the age of 16 for kids of former presidents? That makes no sense at all. Sixteen is not an adult.
so the kids can get laid and smoke dope?
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:16:18am |
re: #4 Outrider
Albuquerque isn't it? Midnight express?
depends how you look at it...nowhere is better than somewhere for me
I go back east to visit friends and party up and down I-95...after a coupla weeks I'm happy to get back to albuquerque...I just dont see how people can live peacefully in such a frantic environment...new mexico has the friendliest, most polite, good natured citizenry than anywhere I've ever lived or travelled...political ideology means little out on the high table lands...hospitality and some old fashioned patriotism is token enough...code pinkers would probably be 'misunderstood' out here...and for the uninformed santa fe is an embarassment to many new mexicans...too many coloradans and californians...we have that disease out here too...
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:16:36am |
re: #560 christheprofessor
Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?
Yes, for a while now.
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NC State of Mind Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:17:20am |
re: #566 MandyManners
Why does the protection stop at the age of 16 for kids of former presidents? That makes no sense at all. Sixteen is not an adult.
See #562. I had the same question.
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:03am |
re: #540 JustMyView
Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list
of who's eligiOther individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President ble.
from said list;
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:07am |
re: #574 albusteve
depends how you look at it...nowhere is better than somewhere for me
I go back east to visit friends and party up and down I-95...after a coupla weeks I'm happy to get back to albuquerque...I just dont see how people can live peacefully in such a frantic environment...new mexico has the friendliest, most polite, good natured citizenry than anywhere I've ever lived or travelled...political ideology means little out on the high table lands...hospitality and some old fashioned patriotism is token enough...code pinkers would probably be 'misunderstood' out here...and for the uninformed santa fe is an embarassment to many new mexicans...too many coloradans and californians...we have that disease out here too...
One of my daughters lives in ALB. She has taken each out of state visitor to Santa Fe once and informed us all that we had best not ask to go again or we're on our own! LOL.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:12am |
re: #574 albusteve
How far from I-95 to NYC and back? Is a side trip to see the Intrepid possible in a day? My girl's parents live near UConn and we're going up for turkey day from Pittsburgh.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:30am |
Marxism will make all the song equal. There will be no need for birds to sing. We won't hear them any longer for the hailing to our new Commander in Chief.
Collectivism makes the song irrelevant, it's the EFFORTS of all combined together that makes the song worthy.
And on Fox front page today Washington DC is running anti- Xmas bus ads that say:
Why believe in a god?
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:57am |
re: #563 apachegunner
yes, nobama will receive a monthly bill for groceries, as did all the presidents before him
Very interesting. I had always assumed their living costs would be subsumed into the cost of running the White House. What about other personal expenses such as laundry and dry cleaning? Also, what's your source on this?
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:19:20am |
re: #571 MandyManners
Well, it is our business to the extent that it is our house, too. But, I'm in agreement with you for the most part.
I would expect an objection to a family's living arrangement to come from a Liberal if it involved caring for ones parents. Conservatives know and are concerned about the preservation of families. It is why this whole concern with this woman's private live astounds me in this venue.
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christheprofessor Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:19:49am |
#565 galloping granny
Thanks, but I've tried rebooting before, to no effect. MM's reloading of the thread seems to have done the trick, though...
re: #568 MandyManners
That seems to have fixed it. Thanks!
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christheprofessor Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:01am |
re: #576 Rancher
Yes, for a while now.
Mandy's suggestion to reload the page seems to have fixed the problem for me.
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:28am |
Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President
a bit garbled on my last post. so it can be almost anyone.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:47am |
re: #582 notutopia
Marxism will make all the song equal. There will be no need for birds to sing. We won't hear them any longer for the hailing to our new Commander in Chief.
Collectivism makes the song irrelevant, it's the EFFORTS of all combined together that makes the song worthy.And on Fox front page today Washington DC is running anti- Xmas bus ads that say:
Why believe in a god?
The whole "Be good for the sake of being good" thing is a great message, but the stuff about not needing to believe in a God is ridiculous.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:55am |
re: #588 yochanan
Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President
a bit garbled on my last post. so it can be almost anyone.
Exactly.
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:23:17am |
re: #582 notutopia
Marxism will make all the song equal. There will be no need for birds to sing. We won't hear them any longer for the hailing to our new Commander in Chief.
Collectivism makes the song irrelevant, it's the EFFORTS of all combined together that makes the song worthy.And on Fox front page today Washington DC is running anti- Xmas bus ads that say:
well equal time i guess SINCE IN CHICAGOSTAN THE BUSES HAVE BIG ADS FOR MUSLIM'S ALLAH.
Why believe in a god?
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:24:34am |
re: #589 TheMatrix31
There are many who claim to be atheist who are in fact antitheist. It's a complete disdain for spirituality.
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Empire1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:24:58am |
re: #543 yochanan
i am a wood block print maker and use oil based printing ink i have tried the water based stuff which comes in two vastly different quality levels one kind is just really for children in schools and is of a poor quality, the more professional kind still isn't as good as oil based printers ink.
I'm not sure how block printing would transfer to the type of painting I'm doing, but I'll keep that in mind. And I'd be useing the artist-quality, for the same reason I buy the best brushes I can afford.
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:25:02am |
And it was extra offensive since the MUSLIM AD said ABRAHAM, MOSE, AND JESUS were all muslims. i sure wanted to deface the ad but would more than likely get arrested for do it.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:25:44am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Coffee is on Dorian..we be doing da Kona bra'
How is everyone this fine, chilly day?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:27:30am |
re: #594 yochanan
And it was extra offensive since the MUSLIM AD said ABRAHAM, MOSE, AND JESUS were all muslims. i sure wanted to deface the ad but would more than likely get arrested for do it.
I'm dying to know how Abraham & Moses - not to mention Jesus - all of whom lived thousands of years ago, were muslim when islam did not rear its nasty head until 1400 or so years ago.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:27:49am |
re: #583 JustMyView
actually I would have to research the subject. it came out while watching fnc over the weekend when talking about what subjects would be discussed during the meeting with bush. house hold expense and yes it was mentioned that the president wears a suit just once and it is sent to the cleaners. there is also a monthly cleaners bill.
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:28:03am |
re: #593 Empire1
watercolor, gauche and acrylic are all water based oil paint is different and works differently i don't see how the other stuff would be any better.
I used to be a oil painter, and have used water color as well as acrylic. I liked oils the best, then water color really did not like the plastic feel of acrylic.
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:29:35am |
re: #597 apachegunner
actually I would have to research the subject. it came out while watching fnc over the weekend when talking about what subjects would be discussed during the meeting with bush. house hold expense and yes it was mentioned that the president wears a suit just once and it is sent to the cleaners. there is also a monthly cleaners bill.
OK. Thanks. Interesting to know.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:30:12am |
re: #597 apachegunner
actually I would have to research the subject. it came out while watching fnc over the weekend when talking about what subjects would be discussed during the meeting with bush. house hold expense and yes it was mentioned that the president wears a suit just once and it is sent to the cleaners. there is also a monthly cleaners bill.
Also the Congress gives the incoming president 100,000 Dollars for moving in costs and designing fund for decorations.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:30:34am |
re: #589 TheMatrix31
The whole "Be good for the sake of being good" thing is a great message, but the stuff about not needing to believe in a God is ridiculous.
The problem is that many people consider it good to steal from others to provide for themselves or their families - especially if they are stealing from a BIG company. They make up whatever ethics they like that enriches them, and then justifies the price paid by others. Every man becomes a law unto himself.
Without standards like the 10 commandments - we're doomed.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:30:38am |
re: #574 albusteve
I occasionally would transport inmates to court in Santa Fe and was very entertained at the flow of LLL that went through there while waiting for my inmates to get their hearings.
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tappin52 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:31:28am |
Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.
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Long Nics are Looonnng Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:31:36am |
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.— Henry Van Dyke
But I have heard, one out of tune singer ruin a 75 voice choir.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:31:49am |
re: #602 DistantThunder
The problem is that many people consider it good to steal from others to provide for themselves or their families - especially if they are stealing from a BIG company. They make up whatever ethics they like that enriches them, and then justifies the price paid by others. Every man becomes a law unto himself.
Without standards like the 10 commandments - we're doomed.
Absolutely.
I loved how they talked about how these non-believers felt "lonely" during the holidays. Too freakin' bad, it's your choice! What the hell do you expect?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:32:07am |
re: #604 tappin52
Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.
I've been thinking the same thing for slightly different reasons.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:33:40am |
I also have problem with "Pay it Forward." It is a much weaker version of "Do Unto Others, as you would have them do unto you."
People may think that they don't have to Pay anything forward because nothing good has happened to them. It is a very passive stance - waiting for a personal justification to do good.
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Long Nics are Looonnng Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:33:43am |
I gots a big drive today. Bout 400 miles. Y'all hope I make some money, I sure do.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:33:47am |
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:34:17am |
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Empire1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:32am |
re: #598 yochanan
watercolor, gauche and acrylic are all water based oil paint is different and works differently i don't see how the other stuff would be any better.
I used to be a oil painter, and have used water color as well as acrylic. I liked oils the best, then water color really did not like the plastic feel of acrylic.
As I understand it, the water-mixable oils are standard oil paint with a detergent (?) added, and from earlier replies, they handle and look like standard oil paints. I'm a disaster with water colors, and like you, don't particularly like the way acrylics feel or look -- to me, they seem kinda flat.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:49am |
I'm here in the frozen North East - while Mr DT is off sailing in Southern California.
My Commandment: Husband owes wife "big time" for holding down the fort.
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Randall Gross Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:50am |
Gas is $1.61 in KCMO, but it's not going to be there forever...
LONDON (AP) — The International Energy Agency on Wednesday predicted world energy demand will rise 1.6 percent per year on average between 2006 and 2030 and called for massive investment in energy infrastructure to prevent a supply squeeze.
The IEA's base scenario for energy demand has fallen due to the global economic slowdown and higher oil prices, but the agency stressed that a delay in spending on new projects due to the credit crisis could lead to a "supply crunch that could choke economic recovery."
The IEA expects demand for oil to rise from 85 million barrels per day currently to 106 million barrels per day in 2030 — 10 million barrels per day less than projected last year.
China and India continue to be the main drivers, accounting for more than half of incremental energy demand to 2030, but the Middle East, a longtime supplier, also emerges as a major new demand center.
The agency said that these trends call for energy supply investment of $26.3 trillion to 2030, or more than $1 trillion a year, but it noted that tight credit conditions could delay spending.
"While the situation facing the world is critical, it is vital we keep our eye on the medium to long term target of a sustainable energy future," Nobuo Tanaka, the Paris-based agency's executive director, told reporters at the release of its annual World Energy Outlook report in London.
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which pumps around 40 percent of the world's oil, cut output by 1.5 million barrels per day from Nov. 1 to counter a recent fall in the price of crude from a high of $147 in July to under $59 on Wednesday.
OPEC has also warned that crucial downstream investment — in refining and distribution — will be curtailed if the oil price is not maintained at a reasonable level.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:54am |
re: #604 tappin52
Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.
I'm thinking he was jealous because Sarah got the big crowds and he got crickets.
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:58am |
re: #595 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Coffee is on Dorian..we be doing da Kona bra'
How is everyone this fine, chilly day?
Kona goood... ;)
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shanec99 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:37:32am |
re: #604 tappin52
Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.
Good Lord, another conspiracy thoerist. Here they accuse a man of spending two years of his life living in hotel rooms, frequently away from his wife and kids of throwing an election.
Tell me, do you believe that JFK was killed by the Mafia or CIA too?
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:37:36am |
re: #580 galloping granny
One of my daughters lives in ALB. She has taken each out of state visitor to Santa Fe once and informed us all that we had best not ask to go again or we're on our own! LOL.
obviously santa fe is obligatory for the tourists...you daughter is exactly right tho...I deplore the place and it's too bad with the native charm and all...it really is a disease
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:37:41am |
re: #603 Rancher
Santa Fe is a interesting place except for artse farsy crowd and the moon bats. i rather enjoyed the indian and hispanic part of the place.
plus the view is outstanding.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:38:22am |
re: #612 yochanan
C.T.A. bus in Chicago
paid ad.
I should think someone would be able to get that ad off the bus fairly easily. The bus company is not a religious entity and virtually every public bus company in the US receives public funds.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:39:12am |
my holiday schedule has kicked in, gotta burn five weeks of annual leave during the next eight. been a busy year with little vacation time.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:39:56am |
re: #612 yochanan
I'll be in chi week after next, have to look for one, maby spit on it
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:40:03am |
re: #622 apachegunner
my holiday schedule has kicked in, gotta burn five weeks of annual leave during the next eight. been a busy year with little vacation time.
Yo, gunner... Kick with the Baileys... ;)
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:04am |
re: #620 yochanan
Santa Fe is a interesting place except for artse farsy crowd and the moon bats. i rather enjoyed the indian and hispanic part of the place.
plus the view is outstanding.
There are places with much better views, and real American Indian &/or Hispanic heritage. I shall leave them unnamed tho lest what happened to the North Rim happens to them.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:20am |
re: #623 apachegunner
I'll be in chi week after next, have to look for one, maby spit on it
Take a picture for us.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:31am |
re: #581 Bumr50
How far from I-95 to NYC and back? Is a side trip to see the Intrepid possible in a day? My girl's parents live near UConn and we're going up for turkey day from Pittsburgh.
can't say for sure off the top of my head...but NYC is out of bounds for me (unless the subdudes are in town)...I have friends in Manhatten...I go and I stay...I'm not savvy enough to drop in from jersy or whatever for a quickie...I'd love to see the Intrepepid tho
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kcladderman Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:32am |
re: #618 shanec99
Tell me, do you believe that JFK was killed by the Mafia or and the CIA too?
/ look over there is that a black helicopter
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:42:48am |
re: #623 apachegunner
they were up a couple of months ago have not seen one this month. i think for ramadamadingdong
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:43:07am |
re: #628 kcladderman
Tell me, do you believe that JFK was killed by the Mafia
orand the CIA too?
/ look over there is that a black helicopter
Dude... Black Helicopters are sooo out... Paisley is the new black... ;p
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:43:22am |
re: #624 doriangrey
Yo, gunner... Kick with the Baileys... ;)
baileys atcha dorian, hold the cup still it's shaken :>)
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:43:46am |
re: #627 albusteve
can't say for sure off the top of my head...but NYC is out of bounds for me (unless the subdudes are in town)...I have friends in Manhatten...I go and I stay...I'm not savvy enough to drop in from jersy or whatever for a quickie...I'd love to see the Intrepepid tho
If you are drive straight through it is about 4 days from Vermont to Flagstaff, Arizona. Subtract 4 hours or so for Vermont to NYC, add on whatever time it takes you to get out of the city onto I95, then take off about 8 hours for Flagstaff to Albuquerque. ~ 3 days.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:02am |
re: #625 galloping granny
There are places with much better views, and real American Indian &/or Hispanic heritage. I shall leave them unnamed tho lest what happened to the North Rim happens to them.
good call granny...
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:03am |
re: #626 galloping granny
yes, I can do it with my cell phone, I will
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:53am |
re: #631 apachegunner
baileys atcha dorian, hold the cup still it's shaken :>)
Maybe I better sit it down, I still haven't quite gotten over the shock of American electing Comrade Obama...
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yochanan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:56am |
re: #628 kcladderman
lee harvey oswald did the deed but he did have cuban/commie connections so it would not surprise me if castro had his hand in on the thing. I doubt it can be proven with out seeing what is in the cuban files.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:45:49am |
re: #633 albusteve
good call granny...
You live in a place I particularly love. If most of my children did not live here I would move heaven and earth to live in the high country there.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:46:20am |
re: #635 doriangrey
I'll be in St Barts when he assumes office, perhaps I'll just stay there and retire.
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:46:38am |
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:46:54am |
Good morning Lizards. Sure looks like Al Franken is stealing the election in MN this year.
Are we really going to have to utter the words "Senator Franken"?
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quickjustice Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:47:19am |
re: #581 Bumr50
I-95 goes through NYC by way of the George Washington Bridge. To see Intrepid, take the Henry Hudson parkway exit south off the GW Bridge (first exit-- stay hard right for southbound). Intrepid is about four miles south directly on the Hudson River, just after the elevated part of the roadway ends.
Or, you could take Lincoln Tunnel to Manhattan, and then turn north up the West Side highway to Intrepid. Slightly shorter distance.
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Rancher Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:47:38am |
Allot of Santa Fe natives have been pushed out by the leftist elites. As property values skyrocket so do taxes forcing families to move that have lived there for generations. Hope your town never becomes a hot-spot for the rich. It wouldn't be too bad but they demand all kinds of services that the taxpayers have to cough up money for.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:47:59am |
re: #635 doriangrey
Maybe I better sit it down, I still haven't quite gotten over the shock of American electing Comrade Obama...
I'm not sure I'll ever quite get over the shock. But then I am shocked that a full 62.2% of everyone 18 and over who lives in mine fine state actually went to the polls. That is not 62.2% of everyone eligible to vote, that is 62.2% of the entire population of the state. (Not buying it . . . )
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:48:15am |
re: #641 Jetpilot1101
Good morning Lizards. Sure looks like Al Franken is stealing the election in MN this year.
Are we really going to have to utter the words "Senator Franken"?
Well you could call him Senator Frankenstein... ;p
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:49:45am |
re: #641 Jetpilot1101
thats hard to say without spitting
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:49:49am |
re: #644 galloping granny
I'm not sure I'll ever quite get over the shock. But then I am shocked that a full 62.2% of everyone 18 and over who lives in mine fine state actually went to the polls. That is not 62.2% of everyone eligible to vote, that is 62.2% of the entire population of the state. (Not buying it . . . )
Hmmm, keep talking like that and you are going to be assigned a re-education number... ;p
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:50:44am |
Morning all!
It is a real pity the people tasked with keeping elections clean are the same ones that benefit the most from them being fraudulent.
Bring on the blue fingers...
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:51:51am |
re: #648 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Morning all!
It is a real pity the people tasked with keeping elections clean are the same ones that benefit the most from them being fraudulent.
Bring on the blue fingers...
Just make sure the designated finger is the middle finger... ;)
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:03am |
re: #643 Rancher
Allot of Santa Fe natives have been pushed out by the leftist elites. As property values skyrocket so do taxes forcing families to move that have lived there for generations. Hope your town never becomes a hot-spot for the rich. It wouldn't be too bad but they demand all kinds of services that the taxpayers have to cough up money for.
We have the same problem here in Vermont. A few years back a man whose family settled Vermont 400 years ago had to sell his 400 or so year old family farm because the taxes in his town had gone so high he could no longer afford to pay them. Since then, many - maybe most - of our farmers are "hanging on" to their farms by signing them over to a land trust. Literally giving them away.
Over on the NH side of the river a couple of years back a single dad who lived on a couple of acres in a little house with a tax value of $26K or so suddenly got a tax valuation of more than a million bucks in the mail. Seems you could see Mt. Monadnock from his property, so they valued his property at what he could get if he sold it.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:31am |
re: #647 doriangrey
Hmmm, keep talking like that and you are going to be assigned a re-education number... ;p
That goes without saying dear.
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tappin52 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:44am |
re: #618 shanec99
I did not put forth a conspiracy theory. He took very legitimate issues off the table as far as Obama was concerned. He ran a bland, beige campaign and even told us there was nothing to fear from this "good man" as president. Doesn't sound like a fight to win kind of guy.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:45am |
re: #641 Jetpilot1101
Good morning Lizards. Sure looks like Al Franken is stealing the election in MN this year.
Are we really going to have to utter the words "Senator Franken"?
Funny thing on the way to work today.. I was putting my laptop in the truck when I found 1000 absentee votes there.
Imagine my shock..Guess I better mail them up to Minn. so they can count them.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:59am |
re: #650 doriangrey
a biometric thumb print would be perfect, wouldn't even have to be associated with an individual just an insurance of a single vote only
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:53:25am |
re: #650 doriangrey
Just make sure the designated finger is the middle finger... ;)
Making a statement with your...uh... indicator is up to you.
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:53:44am |
re: #649 apachegunner
i like that
Although come to think of it, Frankenstein's Monster is more like it... Sadly as I recall Frankenstein's Monster was actually more intelligent and better looking than Franken...
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:54:24am |
re: #653 tappin52
we all knew mccain was not the man for the job, we knew it all along and he has proved it.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:54:49am |
re: #655 apachegunner
a biometric thumb print would be perfect, wouldn't even have to be associated with an individual just an insurance of a single vote only
I smell national database and records of who voted for whom.
No thanks.
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:05am |
re: #659 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I smell national database and records of who voted for whom.
No thanks.
Yup, that thar is an opportunity to abuse power no liberal/democrat/communist puke could ever pass up...
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:29am |
re: #658 apachegunner
we all knew mccain was not the man for the job, we knew it all along and he has proved it.
I think McCain could have beat Hillary..But not mr. Rock Star Obama.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:42am |
re: #659 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I smell national database and records of who voted for whom.
No thanks.
as I said it would not be connected to anything other than a data match for an identical print. if the identical print was found the second vote would be cancelled automatically. vote 20 times and ya get one vote
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:45am |
re: #655 apachegunner
a biometric thumb print would be perfect, wouldn't even have to be associated with an individual just an insurance of a single vote only
Nope. If you don't associate them with individuals, then how do you assure that the same one fingerprint is not voting in multiple jurisdictions. For starters.
Now, consider this. Every single individual in this country who has every been in the US military, applied for fire or police departments, worked in a federal goverment position or been a teacher or school bus driver for the last 30 years or so has their fingerprints on file. Before you start talking about the criminals.
Just exactly how hard do you think it might be to cross-reference those "anonymous" fingerprints in order to determine who deserves a one-way ticket to the gulag for voting the "wrong" way?
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:57:36am |
re: #654 HoosierHoops
Good thing they weren't public assistance checks.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:57:50am |
Good morning folks,
On the dangerous stupidity of Obama's "new approach" to Iran,
Walid Phares: "How can we ally ourselves with Iran in Afghanistan and tell them we don't want them to have the nuclear bomb at the same time?" (Video)
The idiotic Democratic foreign policy experts base their brilliant strategy on the assumption that Shia Iran doesn't want Sunni Taliban to regain power, therefore the Iranians would help the US establish security in Afghanistan. We all know how well that strategy worked in Iraq. The Iranians may not have wanted Sunni Arabs to gain power, but they were more than willing to help them bomb and murder the people if it helped drive the US out of Iraq.
Already, Al Qaeda fighters from Iraq are crossing Iran to join the Taliban in Pakistan, brigning weapons & money. Could they do this without Ianian knowledge and tacit approval?
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midwestgak Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:09am |
Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.
I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:18am |
re: #663 galloping granny
Nope. If you don't associate them with individuals, then how do you assure that the same one fingerprint is not voting in multiple jurisdictions. For starters.
Now, consider this. Every single individual in this country who has every been in the US military, applied for fire or police departments, worked in a federal goverment position or been a teacher or school bus driver for the last 30 years or so has their fingerprints on file. Before you start talking about the criminals.
Just exactly how hard do you think it might be to cross-reference those "anonymous" fingerprints in order to determine who deserves a one-way ticket to the gulag for voting the "wrong" way?
BINGO... Give that lady a fruit cup...
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:26am |
re: #663 galloping granny
the database would be national, the print comparisom would take nano seconds
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:44am |
Y'all are depressing me about Santa Fe. The new project will require me to go out there very often in the next year or so. I was Hoping to enjoy the Change.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:55am |
re: #459 apachegunner
How can husband and wife then do it in the same home? I don't want to share my PC.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:59am |
re: #662 apachegunner
as I said it would not be connected to anything other than a data match for an identical print. if the identical print was found the second vote would be cancelled automatically. vote 20 times and ya get one vote
That might be the idea, but before a single election cycle is up, all those other unwanted effects will be piled on.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:59:09am |
re: #638 galloping granny
You live in a place I particularly love. If most of my children did not live here I would move heaven and earth to live in the high country there.
people dig the vibe out here but you know I think it is universal...you do not discover some spirit here but rather you bring it with you when you come and new mex is a wonderful place to feel and express whatever it is...you are new mexican is spirit and that's what counts...
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:59:30am |
re: #663 galloping granny
awww granny, don'tcha think we would revolt before that happened?
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:14am |
re: #662 apachegunner
as I said it would not be connected to anything other than a data match for an identical print. if the identical print was found the second vote would be cancelled automatically. vote 20 times and ya get one vote
You're kinder than I would be.
If I made the rules, vote more than once and ALL your votes are canceled, AND your right to vote revoked forever.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:28am |
re: #667 midwestgak
Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?
Scam. Tell them to put the whole shebang in writing and then run it by your lawyer.
For starters, you should have had ADVANCE notice that your interest rate was going up. And car loans don't usually have variable interest.
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:57am |
re: #667 midwestgak
Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?
I would go talk to your bank in person, be suspicious of identity theft...
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:02:08am |
re: #669 apachegunner
the database would be national, the print comparisom would take nano seconds
Well, having a daughter who has managed one of the world's largest databases, I can assure you that it would take longer than nanoseconds. But it is certainly very do-able and would not take long.
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Long Nics are Looonnng Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:02:45am |
"The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse, gets the cheese."
-Steven Wright
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:00am |
re: #667 midwestgak
I got an unsolicited sales call from WaMu offering to lower my mortgage interest and it was legit.
But I made him give me a callback number, googled it to make sure it was listed as WaMu, then called a different WaMu number and had them also verify the number he gave me was one of theirs.
Trust, but verify.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:24am |
re: #667 midwestgak
That sure sounds like a scam. Banks do not use email to conduct banking. Call your bank directly and ask to speak to the manager.
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swamprat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:42am |
re: #667 midwestgak Arrange a face-to-face at the bank
if not possible; run away
if you must decide very quickly or no deal; then no deal
watch out for the sharp hook hidden by the fat wiggley worm
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:43am |
re: #674 apachegunner
awww granny, don'tcha think we would revolt before that happened?
No, I think most of us are sheeple that don't have the first clue of the danger our nation is in and won't recognize it until they reach the gulag gates and see that sign that says Arbeit macht Frei - and then realize they are not a guard.
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saberry0530 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:57am |
re: #667 midwestgak
SOunds a little fishy. COntact the bank using a number that you look up and verify that they are indeed offering this as a deal. IF they are, then go for it if you want.
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midwestgak Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:59am |
re: #676 galloping granny
Scam. Tell them to put the whole shebang in writing and then run it by your lawyer.
For starters, you should have had ADVANCE notice that your interest rate was going up. And car loans don't usually have variable interest.
Thanks all. I thought I detected an odor.
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:25am |
re: #671 notutopia
it was a question, unanswered, that was proposed. the utility that charles runs frequently would id such senario and as in my case block one account.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:45am |
re: #667 midwestgak
Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?
Anything that's in a computer (as, say, a car loan balance) can be obtained by people who know how to get these things.
If you did not initiate the phone call to your bank, don't assume that the person on the other end of the line really works for your bank. Call your bank. Your bank will notify you of these things by mail, not phone call, for just this reason.
Also, I have discovered, you have to pay attention to exactly how the person introduces themself, even on things you get in the mail. I get things all the time that say, on the envelope, "A critical notice from your credit union!".
But when I open it and read, it's obvious that it did not come from my credit union, but instead, from some unassociated company trying to sell me some sort of insurance.
Again, if you did not initiate the contact, assume the worst.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:58am |
We were half joking yesterday about the traces of uranium at the Syrian Nuke site being blamed on Israel. Well guess what?
Surprise!
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doriangrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:06am |
OK Lizards, it's once again time to hear off for the salt mines, however do not forget to be in the cotton fields at 2pm for our mandatory voluntary community service... See ya all there... ;)
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:12am |
re: #675 Silhouette
yes, i like that and a little jail time too
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:21am |
re: #645 doriangrey
Well you could call him Senator Frankenstein... ;p
How about Senator "washed up comedian (who wasn't funny anyway) and washed up radio personality who really sucked" Franken.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:52am |
re: #673 albusteve
people dig the vibe out here but you know I think it is universal...you do not discover some spirit here but rather you bring it with you when you come and new mex is a wonderful place to feel and express whatever it is...you are new mexican is spirit and that's what counts...
I wish it counted more when I run out of decent tortillas and can't find chile for love nor money. :)
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:09:12am |
re: #690 Spare O'Lake
Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:10:50am |
re: #589 TheMatrix31
It is telling of what is to come in regard to the war on religion in the US.
Washington DC starts the ball rolling. Let's see if we can cut the Christ out of the xmas joy!
Why not something more befitting, Like ...Why believe in an Imam?
Oh but no, that would raise all sorts of hairs in the wrong direction!
Who approves these PUBLIC TRansportation ADS ?
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:11:28am |
Should give this the 48 hour rule, but student at liberal Augsburg college in Mpls was punched on election night because she wearing a McCain-Palin button. Some lines from the article:
[Link: www.startribune.com...]
An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.
Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.
……………………………………………………………………………………..
Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.
"I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."
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midwestgak Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:11:39am |
re: #689 reine.de.tout
Thanks reine. I never answer my phone. Always let the machine pick it up, but when the guy was leaving a message and I heard the name of my bank and car loan in the same sentence I feared that something got screwed up with my payment so I answered the phone outright.
I will not be responding to this fellow. He used the name Eugene btw.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:11:47am |
re: #694 galloping granny
I wish it counted more when I run out of decent tortillas and can't find chile for love nor money. :)
well yes...there is a 'worldly' aspect to it all I suppose...
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aussiemagpie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:12:13am |
G'day from the Socialist Nanny State of Down Under to {everyone}!
I've met the first troofer that's ever crossed my path - who insisted we watch a movie called Zeitgeist which would show how an evil few (American of course) caused WW1, WW11, Vietnam War, 9/11...and the Great Depression
I googled Zeitgeist , and thanks but no thanks...I won't be watching it anytime soon
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:12:33am |
re: #697 notutopia
My answer to "Why believe in God?" is
"Because it is my right in a free country. Damn, you atheists evangelize more than vegetarians or Mac users!"
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:12:50am |
For the record...this college is run by the very liberal ELCA. This church worked with MoveOn.org in 2004.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:13:27am |
re: #696 Kenneth
Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.
Not only that. Uranium produced in one reactor will have a different signature than uranium produced somewhere else.
Of course the only way for the Israeli's to "prove" it isn't their uranium is to admit they have some in the first place - which they have never done - and then to disclose just what it is. Which is likely what this is all about - trying to force Israel to do exactly that.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:13:44am |
re: #698 Dave the...
Maybe we should be made to wear big "R"s on our clothes so they'll be better able to avoid us.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:14:36am |
re: #698 Dave the...
Should give this the 48 hour rule, but student at liberal Augsburg college in Mpls was punched on election night because she wearing a McCain-Palin button. Some lines from the article:
[Link: www.startribune.com...]
An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.
Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.…………… …………… …………… …………… …………… …………… ……..
Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.
"I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."
Our kids need to start paying more attention to the political environment of the colleges they plan to attend (and fork over big bucks to.)
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:15:10am |
re: #676 galloping granny
Scam. Tell them to put the whole shebang in writing and then run it by your lawyer.
For starters, you should have had ADVANCE notice that your interest rate was going up. And car loans don't usually have variable interest.
Always have them put it in writing. All scams run for the hills.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:16:11am |
re: #685 galloping granny
No, I think most of us are sheeple that don't have the first clue of the danger our nation is in and won't recognize it until they reach the gulag gates and see that sign that says Arbeit macht Frei - and then realize they are not a guard.
Actually, if you are correct then you should watch for "them" to first choose a scapegoat from among the sheeple.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:17:31am |
re: #696 Kenneth
Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.
Well knock me over with a feather!
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:17:35am |
ScottishBuzzsaw, thanks for the great VDH link above.
The world’s mental map wasn’t erased away when Bush took power. Being the planet’s most powerful democracy, and a free and confident world peacekeeper, either excites admiration or earns envy — and even the most crude or the most elegant American president can’t change much that simple fact of global human nature.
Good stuff.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:17:42am |
re: #696 Kenneth
Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.
I sure am glad there are smart people around here.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:18:30am |
re: #704 galloping granny
Not only that. Uranium produced in one reactor will have a different signature than uranium produced somewhere else.
Of course the only way for the Israeli's to "prove" it isn't their uranium is to admit they have some in the first place - which they have never done - and then to disclose just what it is. Which is likely what this is all about - trying to force Israel to do exactly that.
of course...and it's just so brutally naive it borders on the juvenile...Israel should not even issue a 'no response' to this sort of thing
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:18:33am |
re: #704 galloping granny
True, the isotope ratios are like a fingerprint. Israel will wisely stay mum and let the Syrian's talk themselves into a hole. The Syrain assertion is for internal consumption anyway, nobody actually believes them.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:18:56am |
re: #572 galloping granny
so the kids can get laid and smoke dope?
/
And, get a driver's license and a car. Be kinda' hard to keep up with her/him then.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:19:59am |
re: #584 shanec99
I would expect an objection to a family's living arrangement to come from a Liberal if it involved caring for ones parents. Conservatives know and are concerned about the preservation of families. It is why this whole concern with this woman's private live astounds me in this venue.
What if their primary care-giver had been a non-related nanny? Same deal?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:20:20am |
re: #709 Kenneth
Bunk and hokum. Not that much different than McCain's website was either. The "designers" are probably using the same template - if they aren't the same "designers." I refuse to call people that obviously know nothing whatever about basic security web developers.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:21:24am |
re: #715 Kenneth
True, the isotope ratios are like a fingerprint. Israel will wisely stay mum and let the Syrian's talk themselves into a hole. The Syrain assertion is for internal consumption anyway, nobody actually believes them.
From your keyboard to G_d's ears. Olmert is not gone yet.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:23:06am |
For those not familiar with Mpls...I attend the MBA program at the UofM,...it's right next door to Augsburg college. This is an extremely liberal part of town (even for Mpls) and I would not feel safe walking on the street there with a McCain-Palin button on. Tolerance is not a word I would use to describe Mpls.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:23:59am |
Good morning all y'all - from a cold (43 degrees going up to 61 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:24:48am |
re: #715 Kenneth
True, the isotope ratios are like a fingerprint. Israel will wisely stay mum and let the Syrian's talk themselves into a hole. The Syrain assertion is for internal consumption anyway, nobody actually believes them.
The IAEA will certainly issue a report blaming Israel.
El Bare-Assed-Lie-A-Day
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:02am |
Talk about great expectations:
America thinks Barack Obama will fix economy, poll says
WASHINGTON — In one of the economy’s darkest hours in decades, it looks like people are taking Barack Obama up on his exhortations for hope and change.
Seven in 10, or 72 percent, voice confidence the president-elect will make the changes needed to revive the stalling economy, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll released Tuesday.
Good luck with the unrealistic expectations.
If President-elect Obama raises taxes in a recession, as he has promised to do, turn out the light for 5 to 10 years.
President Hoover did the same thing after the market crash of 1929 and got through Congress some protectionist tariffs and such, thus choking off trade.
That did not work out so well.
That did not work out so weel
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christheprofessor Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:24am |
re: #627 albusteve
can't say for sure off the top of my head...but NYC is out of bounds for me (unless the subdudes are in town)...I have friends in Manhatten...I go and I stay...I'm not savvy enough to drop in from jersy or whatever for a quickie...I'd love to see the Intrepepid tho
I love the Subdudes... Never can find a decent video of them on YouTube, though...
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:45am |
re: #614 DistantThunder
DT. I have to hold down the fort allot myself. I have come to appreciate my
skills and wit when I'm under my breath cursing over a broken field irrigation line or a broken hay bailer or a difficult animal birthing. I can do things today, that I never ever intended to learn to do!
It also provides me with quiet time to catch up on all the flicks and music that he doesn't care for. I make it a home vacation just for me. I call out for Thai and put some logs in the fire and play my music and quilt till I can't see the needle anymore.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:57am |
3 wood. Obama has almost the same economic policies as Hoover-Roosevelt. And look where that got us.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:15am |
re: #724 3 wood
Well, damn, 3 wood. He broke it (or at least his advisors did) so he ought to know best how to fix it.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:32am |
Camille Paglia's typically rambling piece at Salon contains these interesting comments about Sarah Palin,
Given that Obama had served on a Chicago board with Ayers and approved funding of a leftist educational project sponsored by Ayers, one might think that the unrepentant Ayers-Dohrn couple might be of some interest to the national media. But no, reporters have been too busy playing mini-badminton with every random spitball about Sarah Palin, who has been subjected to an atrocious and at times delusional level of defamation merely because she has the temerity to hold pro-life views.
How dare Palin not embrace abortion as the ultimate civilized ideal of modern culture? How tacky that she speaks in a vivacious regional accent indistinguishable from that of Western Canada! How risible that she graduated from the State University of Idaho and not one of those plush, pampered commodes of received opinion whose graduates, in their rush to believe the worst about her, have demonstrated that, when it comes to sifting evidence, they don't know their asses from their elbows.
Liberal Democrats are going to wake up from their sadomasochistic, anti-Palin orgy with a very big hangover. The evil genie released during this sorry episode will not so easily go back into its bottle. A shocking level of irrational emotionalism and at times infantile rage was exposed at the heart of current Democratic ideology -- contradicting Democratic core principles of compassion, tolerance and independent thought. One would have to look back to the Eisenhower 1950s for parallels to this grotesque lock-step parade of bourgeois provincialism, shallow groupthink and blind prejudice.
I like Sarah Palin, and I've heartily enjoyed her arrival on the national stage. As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is -- and quite frankly, I think the people who don't see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma. So she doesn't speak the King's English -- big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes. She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist. I stand on what I said (as a staunch pro-choice advocate) in my last two columns -- that Palin as a pro-life wife, mother and ambitious professional represents the next big shift in feminism. Pro-life women will save feminism by expanding it, particularly into the more traditional Third World.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:36am |
re: #724 3 wood
Good morning my friend - well which was it "well" or "weel"?!? LOL!
Hope you're doing well today!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:08am |
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:40am |
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tfc3rid Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:47am |
Well a pleasant good morning to all of you. It's been since 10/30 that I've been on here since I've been on vacation. Well, last week, as my cruise ship was crossing the Yucatan Channel from Grand Cayman to Cozumel, I found out that BHO was elected President of the United States. I was not surprised, as most of you here know I was saying as much for some time. But for the first time, it really hit me how absoultely terrible this could be for us. We don't know and I hope and pray that Obama will assume office and know he must govern all the people not just the loony left.
So, while I would never suppot him for the person he is and what he represents, I hope Obama can and will understand that governing the nation is about compromise...
I doubt it though...
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:08am |
re: #724 3 wood
Talk about great expectations:
America thinks Barack Obama will fix economy, poll says
Good luck with the unrealistic expectations.If President-elect Obama raises taxes in a recession, as he has promised to do, turn out the light for 5 to 10 years.
President Hoover did the same thing after the market crash of 1929 and got through Congress some protectionist tariffs and such, thus choking off trade.
That did not work out so well.
That did not work out so weel
Where did they find those ignoramusses?
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:27am |
re: #725 christheprofessor
Good morning Chris - how are you doing this morning?
We're supposed to be getting rain very late this afternoon so I reckon you are either having rain now or you will be getting some tomorrow!
How's Ligthning doing?
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LindaMarie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:37am |
re: #643 Rancher
Allot of Santa Fe natives have been pushed out by the leftist elites. As property values skyrocket so do taxes forcing families to move that have lived there for generations. Hope your town never becomes a hot-spot for the rich. It wouldn't be too bad but they demand all kinds of services that the taxpayers have to cough up money for.
You are right on -be careful what you wish for/
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:43am |
re: #729 Kenneth
The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.
It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:29:03am |
re: #732 notutopia
But I was referring to the bus ads in Chicago, which are different :)
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:29:19am |
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:30:08am |
re: #738 Silhouette
The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.
It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.
I have never in my lifetime seen the media go after anyone the way they have gone after Sarah Palin. Not even Richard Nixon.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:30:32am |
re: #722 realwest
A Real Good morning to you.
You know, there is a possibility that you are almost as strikingly handsome as me. LOL.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:30:48am |
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
Well, why don't they just develop their unique talents and beautify the woods some other way? Pssshhh...birds.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:09am |
re: #734 tfc3rid
Hey my friend - Welcome Home! We've been kicking the election (and to some extent each other) around since November 5th) and know how you felt!
Meanwhile, depending on your schedule and the weather, I hope you get to go see the refurbished Intrepid and can report back to us (or hell, just send me an e-mail!)on how she looks!
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aussiemagpie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:11am |
re: #722 realwest
Good morning all y'all - from a cold (43 degrees going up to 61 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
*Smooch* sharing you with Miss Trixie of course :-)
How are you ? It's Thursday morning here, and should turn into a nice day
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:23am |
re: #731 reine.de.tout
Edwords said the purpose isn't to argue that God doesn't exist or change minds about a deity, although "we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people's minds."
So, only atheists are capable of rational thought and critical thinking? Christians cannot question?
Bah.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:33am |
re: #725 christheprofessor
I love the Subdudes... Never can find a decent video of them on YouTube, though...
'Late at Night' is killer imo
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:41am |
re: #733 Silhouette
I could use a couple of paid hands around here. They are not to be found.
The work ethic here is if you sweat, then it's not worth doing.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:32:22am |
re: #742 Spare O'Lake
ROTFL! Well I suppose there's always that possibility!
LOL!
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Joo-LiZ Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:32:27am |
This does NOT sound good...
West Bank security plunges out of Israel military control
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
November 11, 2008, 10:41 PM (GMT+02:00)
On one day, Tuesday, Nov. 11, there were 30 Palestinian attacks on Israeli soldiers and border police officers on the West Bank, leaving four injured, including two policemen and an army platoon commander, DEBKAfile’s military sources report. The security situation plummeted from last month when, after men of the Lavi Brigade shot dead three Palestinian assailants who were hurling fire bombs, Israel units were prohibited from posting snipers to defend them against Palestinian firebomb ambuscades.
The prohibition came down from the office of prime minister Ehud Olmert and defense minister Ehud Barak. It was quickly picked up by the Palestinians who, realizing that the IDF’s hands were tied, became more audacious. By Tuesday, it had reached the point, said senior military sources, that the OC Central Command, Brig. Gadi Shamni, no longer controls security in Judea and Samaria. Marauding Palestinians have seized the hilltops commanding the territory’s main highways and intersections and bombard every passing Israeli car, including military and police vehicles, with firebombs, burning tires and big rocks. Shortage of manpower prevents the army from taking those hilltops over; its function has been reduced to patrols.
Tuesday, Palestinian terror peaked. They hurled firebombs and rocks at two border police bases in Abu Dis in southern Jerusalem and Ataro
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:33:11am |
Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:33:49am |
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:34:31am |
re: #751 bosforus
Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.
Neither were the Seattle Jewish Center shootings. Even though the murderer said in essence, "I'm shooting you because you are Jewish and I hate you."
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:34:33am |
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:09am |
re: #745 aussiemagpie
Hey hi there {aussiemagpie} - Well I'll share you with Miss Trixie if it's ok with each of you, I mean, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, right?! *Smooches* back to you!
It's a pretty crappy day here weather wise, but that figures cause we have to go run some chores today.
Gotta get my eyeglass frames fixed (stupid nose pad fell off!) and buy at least two lamps cause we've got two (actually 3) lamps that just keep on burning out bulbs in a week or 10 days. There ain't no rest for the weary! LOL!
Glad you're doing well and will be having a nice day weather wise at the least!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:41am |
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christheprofessor Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:44am |
re: #736 realwest
Good morning Chris - how are you doing this morning?
We're supposed to be getting rain very late this afternoon so I reckon you are either having rain now or you will be getting some tomorrow!
How's Ligthning doing?
Hey, dude. We're well, thanks, and ya'll? Still haven't received the latest results on the pup, though they were in two weeks ago and supposedly UPSed a week ago. Am just about to demand my money back.
No rain here yet but overcast. Likely will rain tonight or tomorrow if you will be getting it late today...
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:56am |
re: #726 notutopia
DT. I have to hold down the fort allot myself. I have come to appreciate my
skills and wit when I'm under my breath cursing over a broken field irrigation line or a broken hay bailer or a difficult animal birthing. I can do things today, that I never ever intended to learn to do!
It also provides me with quiet time to catch up on all the flicks and music that he doesn't care for. I make it a home vacation just for me. I call out for Thai and put some logs in the fire and play my music and quilt till I can't see the needle anymore.
Nice. I just have to wrangle the 5 kids without him. Other than that, it's just like St. Croix
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Last Mohican Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:02am |
re: #581 Bumr50
How far from I-95 to NYC and back? Is a side trip to see the Intrepid possible in a day? My girl's parents live near UConn and we're going up for turkey day from Pittsburgh.
In a word, no.
But if you're driving from Pittsburgh to Storrs, CT, why would you even be on I-95 in the first place? I-95 in Connecticut is a bad experience waiting to happen, and taking part of it that's the Cross Bronx Expressway is a nightmare. And that's on a regular day, not part of the Thanksgiving rush.
I'd stay on I-84, take the Beacon Bridge over the Hudson near Newburgh, and avoid the New York City area entirely.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:10am |
re: #746 MandyManners
So, only atheists are capable of rational thought and critical thinking? Christians cannot question?
Bah.
and humbug.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:18am |
re: #753 Silhouette
We Mormons have had it pretty good for a while now as far as public opposition goes but we're no strangers to persecution. Heck, we're in Utah because of it.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:43am |
re: #751 bosforus
I bet if was other than BB's used, they'd be able to rule out that it wasn't a teenagers "pranks"? :(
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christheprofessor Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:38:27am |
re: #747 albusteve
'Late at Night' is killer imo
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Agreed. I've posted that one here myself, eons ago. Not the best quality but better than nothing. Thanks for the linky...
Gotta head to the office. Have a great one...
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:38:29am |
re: #748 notutopia
Uh, if you don't mind me asking where is around here?
(start with State first, please - may be no reason to go any further than that! LOL!).
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:38:38am |
re: #751 bosforus
Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.
Had to be skinheads - no one else commits hate crimes.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:18am |
re: #751 bosforus
Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.
While Chapman knew of the identical instances at churches up north in Ogden and Layton, he said Sandy police were not yet working with other agencies to investigate the crime.
SNIP
Moyes said Layton police likewise are not treating the incidents as hate crimes.
"We have not labeled it a hate crime until we can find some hard evidence to substantiate it," Moyes said.
SNIP
I guarantee you that if these buildings were mosques, it would aleeady be labeled a hate crime, and the local LE would already have the feds getting in on the action.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:48am |
Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.
A blogger (can't recall who now...maybe Michelle Malkin) posted a link to a California site were there were threats made to/against LDS members. I have to say, anti-Morman bigotry is very trendy right now. It's one thing to oppose the tenants and recruitment of the religion, but it's getting out of hand now.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:54am |
re: #750 Joo-LiZ
Well, given as how the source is Debka (we almost always or at least occassionally, get it right) I'd give it at least 24 hours on that story!
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:56am |
re: #718 galloping granny
Well, the websites do look alike, but the similarity ends there. I do hope & pray Bibi is the next Israeli PM.
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Dustoff-507 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:40:52am |
Ok folks, I'm back again.
So what in the heck is going on this fine morning?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:22am |
re: #769 Kenneth
Well, the websites do look alike, but the similarity ends there. I do hope & pray Bibi is the next Israeli PM.
You and me both.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:40am |
re: #747 albusteve
I'm sure you've seen that vid Chris...anyhow you haven't lived til you go clubbin' with the subdudes...they are the best folks ever on tour...the adore their fans...I have some friends who are very tight with the band and I've gotten inside the loop several times...so I'm golden in that regard!...ahaaa!...tommy malone is the most under recognized picker in modern times...the venue is everything too...the tear up Joe's in NYC or Gruene Hall in Texas...just awsome
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:56am |
re: #759 Last Mohican
Thanks. In reference to I-95, uh, just not real travelled there I guess. Remembering a trip to Boston.
That stinks, I gotta work.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:08am |
re: #766 MandyManners
SNIP
I guarantee you that if these buildings were mosques, it would aleeady be labeled a hate crime, and the local LE would already have the feds getting in on the action.
Little known fact about a Hare Krishna temple in Spanish Fork, UT (50 minutes south of Salt Lake) - most of the money for construction was donated by the LDS church. They throw some great "events" there as well.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:46am |
re: #757 christheprofessor
Uh oh - "results on the pup" - I musta missed something here my friend - what's wrong with her that you had to have tests done?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:46am |
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:44:14am |
When President-elect Obama is sworn into office, he vacates his Senate seat from Illinois. Illinois Governor Blagojevich will appoint a successor. Here are the leading 3 candidates to replace Obama in the Senate:
1. Rod Blogojevich: Yep, there is a very good chance the Governor will work things out to pretty much appoint himself. Blago is so hated by his own party in Illinois that he is incapable if getting a consensus from the Democratically controlled State legislature on anything. Blago has helped to mismanage the State finances into a train wreck, so the smart money is betting that he will jump ship and head to Washington.
2. Congressman Danny Davis Jr.: Davis is a raving moonbat who will fit right in. He has never seen a minimum wage hike he would not vote for, thinks the only problem with the public schools is that we do not shovel enough money into them, and is a bitter partisan along the Rahm Emanuel line.
Davis has an interesting opinion about white women:Ebony Magazine Remarks
During the campaign Tillman highlighted divisive comments Davis made in an August 1970 issue of Ebony: “(T)he white female often gives the black man certain kinds of recognition that the black woman oftentimes does not give him."[13
He also is a proud socialist:
Davis also received the endorsement of the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America (CDSA)[22] of which he is a member[23][24] and had a relationship pre-dating his congressional run days.[25] ACORN, AFL-CIO, Sierra Club, and International Brotherhood of Teamsters are included in other groups also endorsing Davis in his bid.[2
3. Jesse Jackson Jr. Also a very liberal politician, he has had his troubles with controversy too:
Jackson's earliest public controversy came when he was linked to Nigerian drug trafficker Pius Ailemen. Ailemen was suppose to be Jackson's best man at his 1991 wedding, but canceled at the last minute due to supposed passport-related issues. Jackson's name and pictures were included in San Francisco, California press accounts of the arrest, which resulted from a Federal Bureau of Investigation investigation.[39] The investigation and court proceedings extended for several years. The wiretap included many conversations between the two and financial records indicate that Ailemen had purchased an Alfa Romeo using a $13,000 charge on Jackson's credit card.[40] Ailemen was sentenced to 292 months in jail.[41] In 2003, Ailemen was denied petition for a writ of certiorari.[42]
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middle with you.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:44:43am |
re: #761 bosforus
We Mormons have had it pretty good for a while now as far as public opposition goes but we're no strangers to persecution. Heck, we're in Utah because of it.
I understand there was spray painting of signs and other vandalism last week over the gay marriage ban in Calif. Sounds like it is escalating, not going away.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:28am |
B.
We Mormons have had it pretty good for a while now as far as public opposition goes but we're no strangers to persecution. Heck, we're in Utah because of it.
Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:47am |
re: #770 Dustoff-507
Well thank the Lord you're back - we were just gonna send out some search parties! LOL!
Except for some pain in the ass chores I gotta do today, I'm doing fine - how are you doing?
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:52am |
re: #727 Dave the...
3 wood. Obama has almost the same economic policies as Hoover-Roosevelt. And look where that got us.
A decade of depression and then a world war.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:59am |
re: #780 Dave the...
B.
Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.
I saw portions of that ad.
Disgusting.
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Last Mohican Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:03am |
re: #774 Bumr50
Thanks. In reference to I-95, uh, just not real travelled there I guess. Remembering a trip to Boston.
That stinks, I gotta work.
I haven't visited the Intrepid in years. I'd love to see how she looks after the renovations too.
Oh, and if you ever get the urge to visit Boston again, don't take I-95! Go through Hartford instead. If you need to get there from New York, take the Merritt Parkway.
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sandspur Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:14am |
re: #407 MandyManners
I thought she looked just fine but, it was an interesting choice of colors. Something tells me she didn't wear it as a Reagan-Red.
I still cannot get over the dress she wore last Tuesday night. Its symbolism just screamed.
You mean the "Black Widow" dress? I agree! The symbolism was over the top.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:28am |
re: #728 Silhouette
Well, damn, 3 wood. He broke it (or at least his advisors did) so he ought to know best how to fix it.
I sprayed coffee at that one.
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Miss Trixie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:51am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
Another loverly day in the valley, it's the middle of the week and Firday's on the horizon. :D
{realwest} Morning, dahlink *smooochie* Glad to see you today. :D How are you?
tfc3rid - Welcome back! Did your little fuzzbutt "L" miss you very much? And how was Cozumel?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:47:31am |
re: #780 Dave the...
B.
Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.
Where is it? And who in their right mind would run such an ad?
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:47:32am |
re: #767 Dave the...
I have to say, anti-Morman bigotry is very trendy right now.
That's because Mormons don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose are attacked. Certain other religions are known to do that.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:47:41am |
DOW is down another 198 points.
But not to worry, the Messiah will fix it with his Spread the Wealth policy.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:02am |
re: #780 Dave the...
Truly Unbelievable. Just disgusting crap!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:29am |
re: #778 3 wood
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middle with you.
Might as well have some good music as we're sliding down in a hand-basket.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:32am |
re: #730 realwest
Good morning my friend - well which was it "well" or "weel"?!? LOL!
Hope you're doing well today!
Yep, the back is much better today, rode my bike to work.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:43am |
re: #784 Last Mohican
I haven't visited the Intrepid in years. I'd love to see how she looks after the renovations too.
Oh, and if you ever get the urge to visit Boston again, don't take I-95! Go through Hartford instead. If you need to get there from New York, take the Merritt Parkway.
If he lives in Pittsburgh, it is much easier to get to Boston through upstate NY, avoiding Connecticut and the traffic mess entirely.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:00am |
re: #780 Dave the...
B.
Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.
Yup, saw that. I'm pretty sure their obvious hatred will implode on them and their message will be seen for what it is. I'm not sure how someone who has ever met our missionaries can watch that commercial and not be offended by it.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:23am |
re: #785 sandspur
You mean the "Black Widow" dress? I agree! The symbolism was over the top.
Commie Red and Black Power Black. And, one girl was in black, the other in red.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:23am |
re: #791 3 wood
DOW is down another 198 points.
But not to worry, the Messiah will fix it with his Spread the Wealth policy.
Didn't you post that yesterday?
And Monday?
And...
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:41am |
re: #784 Last Mohican
I haven't visited the Intrepid in years. I'd love to see how she looks after the renovations too.
Oh, and if you ever get the urge to visit Boston again, don't take I-95! Go through Hartford instead. If you need to get there from New York, take the Merritt Parkway.
I-95 is a distraction of cosmic proportion from Boston to north Virginia and beyond...I typically use it as a metaphore for all that is wrong with american culture...I could be wrong I suppose...
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:03am |
re: #759 Last Mohican
I concur on that. If you're doing I95 during the week, it's a mess, and you'll spend hours sitting in traffic. You're much better off going I81 to I84 and across in to CT as you say.
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aussiemagpie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:12am |
re: #755 realwest
LOL! Sharing is good...does wonders for American, Canadian and Aussie goodwill :-)
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:23am |
Galloping
Where is it? And who in their right mind would run such an ad?
I'm at work right now so don't want to do too much of a search for it (it's on YouTube), but let me take a quick look. Be right back.
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red satellite Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:37am |
All gun-toting fathers...get ready to weep with joy.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:40am |
re: #734 tfc3rid
We don't know and I hope and pray that Obama will assume office and know he must govern all the people not just the loony left.
Well, some on his staff are already leaking confidential discussions to the sewer rats at the New York Pravda
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:44am |
re: #796 bosforus
Yup, saw that. I'm pretty sure their obvious hatred will implode on them and their message will be seen for what it is. I'm not sure how someone who has ever met our missionaries can watch that commercial and not be offended by it.
I don't see how anyone can not be offended by it. If this was a commercial against islam those running it would long since have been up on charges for inciting hatred.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:01am |
re: #788 Miss Trixie
Good Morning Miss Trixie!
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:10am |
re: #778 3 wood Huh, any odds on which of three terrible candidates might get it?
I mean, y'all really ought to move out of that state of corrupt jokers and come on down to North Carolina where are politicians are not corrupt, at least! LOL!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:12am |
re: #785 sandspur
You mean the "Black Widow" dress? I agree! The symbolism was over the top.
That was a "designer" dress.
Has anyone questioned how much it cost?
I haven't seen one thing about the cost.
What I have seen are glowing articles like this, which include these paragraphs:
The now-famous red and black dress is fresh from the Spring 2009 collection from Narciso Rodriguez, a world-renown designer who has supplied Mrs. Obama with several distinct pieces over the course of the campaign . . .
The Wall Street Journal reports that retail orders for Michelle Obama's dresses have increased by as much as 45% over the past year as the First Lady continued to make appearances in dozens of classy, simple and elegant dresses and suits that appealed to average-sized women with simple tastes. For some, the 'simple' tastes were a far cry from Sarah Palin's $150,000+ designer wardrobe, and analysts suggest that Mrs. Obama's selections may have had a political motive.
But nothing about the cost of Michelle Obama's wardrobe. If she is buying from the "spring" collections of designers, then her clothes may indeed "appeal to" average women, but they are way out of the price range of "average" women.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:33am |
re: #780 Dave the...
B.
Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.
The "Courage Campaign" is the type of group that wouldn't mind seeing one of these brought back for the Mormons.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:15am |
Okay, I did a search on You Tube. Came up with several results. But didn't want to call them up at work. Perhaps another lizard can post a link.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:27am |
re: #808 realwest
Edwards? No real only 2/3rds of them are corrupt. ; (
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:28am |
re: #806 galloping granny
I don't see how anyone can not be offended by it. If this was a commercial against islam those running it would long since have been up on charges for inciting hatred.
I'm sure a shot for shot remake of it wouldn't last two minutes on youtube, let alone make it on TV.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:43am |
re: #811 bosforus
The "Courage Campaign" is the type of group that wouldn't mind seeing one of these brought back for the Mormons.
That whole subject is something you won't see in high school history books.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:48am |
re:re: #795 galloping granny
Hartford has been a little hairy in trips past.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:54am |
re: #788 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches" bak to you! I'm doing fine ever since aussiemagpie told me that the two of you were willing to share me! LOL!
Wonder what a virtual 3-way that would be like?! Lots of fun for me, anyway!
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:54:34am |
re: #809 reine.de.tout
But nothing about the cost of Michelle Obama's wardrobe. If she is buying from the "spring" collections of designers, then her clothes may indeed "appeal to" average women, but they are way out of the price range of "average" women.
It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:54:58am |
re: #793 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy and thanks for the music!
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:23am |
re: #815 MandyManners
That whole subject is something you won't see in high school history books.
The most in high school text books that I ever saw (ten years ago) was something like "...then the Mormons went west...". Gee, thanks. You're welcome.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:53am |
I didn't see the Palin-VanSusteren interview, but I get the impression Sarah Palin is pretty sharp from the clips.
I'm gonna go look online.
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Last Mohican Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:59am |
re: #800 albusteve
Well, I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the New Jersey Turnpike...
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:56:26am |
re: #738 Silhouette
The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.
It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.
The Obama campaign were blind-sided when McCain picked Palin. She wasn't even on their radar and had nothing prepared to counter her. Eventually, the Dems & the liberal media fell back on their tried & true "stupid redneck" line they have thrown at most conservatives. BUt Palin represents a deeper existential threat to the traditional liberal elites. As she said in her terrific GOP convention speech,
“Here’s a little news flash, I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly these past few days that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington élite then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. Well, I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion.”
That was a shot across the bow of the media & political elites, and they were rightly alarmed. Contrary to op-eds & opinion pieces in the liberal media, rumours of Sarah Palin's death are greatly exagerrated. A post election poll showed some 80% of those who voted for McCain thought she was a good candidate, in contrast to the 64% who though McCain was. The same liberal media elites thought this guy was a joke when he first ran for President in 1976. He came back in 1980 and proved them wrong.
Sarah Palin will be back in 2012. Bet on it.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:56:41am |
re: #794 3 wood
I'm really glad to hear that good news about your back!
I sure hope you've stopped taking pain pills and aren't taking them before biking to work! How long a bicycle ride is it for you?
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Last Mohican Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:56:59am |
re: #774 Bumr50
Thanks. In reference to I-95, uh, just not real travelled there I guess. Remembering a trip to Boston.
That stinks, I gotta work.
Hey, if you're interested in military history, you might consider a stop at the USMA in West Point. It's only about 20 minutes from the preferred route between Pittsburgh and UConn.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:57:18am |
re: #815 MandyManners
Anyways, I'll stop. I hate sounding like a bitter "learn my past" person. Some things are worth remembering, however.
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:57:23am |
re: #818 galloping granny
MSMedia job security. And we will probably never get any questions about clothes cost ever again after that ludicrous attack on Palin. It's now taboo to even talk clothes.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:57:33am |
Bum
I didn't see the Palin-VanSusteren interview, but I get the impression Sarah Palin is pretty sharp from the clips.
My local papers haven't given up on Palin bashing yet. The Govenor can give a 1 hour interview. They will pick the one word that sounds goofy and use that in the headline.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:58:15am |
re: #818 galloping granny
It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?
exactly my point.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:58:52am |
So, the left needs a common enemy to demonize. There is no President or really anyone significant in congress. Is that why they are still going after Governor Palin?
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:58:55am |
re: #780 Dave the...
B.
Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.
Those were supposed to be missionaries, young men between the ages of 19-22 who self-finance a 2 year mission for the church. Those actors had hair that was too long for missionary standards.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:03am |
re: #818 galloping granny
It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?
If they were donated, doesn't she have to report it to the IRS?
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:03am |
re: #795 galloping granny
Good morning to you! Yeah, but that way means a trip to the Intrepid is TOTALLY out of the question! LOL!
That is a bitch of a drive from NYC though - and not for the faint of heart, either.
HOw are y'all doing today?
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:07am |
re: #826 Last Mohican
Thanks a billion.
Oh, sorry. I forgot to apply the "new economics."
Thanks 10 trillion!: )
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:22am |
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:28am |
re: #816 Bumr50
Hartford has been a little hairy in trips past.
Yup, that it is. We avoid the whole I95 mess by taking 84 over to 87, then north on 87 until you come to the MA Turpike (I90). Take that straight into Boston, of if you want to drop down into Hartford, get off on I91 South in Holyoke/West Springfield MA. From there you are about 35-45 minutes from Hartford, depending on just where you're going.
There is no food on 87 North, but there are regular rest stops on I90.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:00:03am |
re: #823 Last Mohican
Well, I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the New Jersey Turnpike...
Easterners are different...I love it back there once in a while myself...but this statement just proves something...
my best friends are from jersy/NYC/philly/DC
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Miss Trixie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:00:17am |
re: #817 realwest
Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches" bak to you! I'm doing fine ever since aussiemagpie told me that the two of you were willing to share me! LOL!
Wonder whata virtual 3-waythat would be like?! Lots of fun for me, anyway!
Pardon me, Mandy. May I?
*weighs whacking stick in hands, then turns to realwest and says sweetly*
Sorry. What were you saying just now, pumpkin?
:P
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aussiemagpie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:09am |
re: #817 realwest
Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches" bak to you! I'm doing fine ever since aussiemagpie told me that the two of you were willing to share me! LOL!
Wonder whata virtual 3-waythat would be like?! Lots of fun for me, anyway!
Now {realwest}, concentrate! Serious business going on here... :-)
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:24am |
re: #820 bosforus
The most in high school text books that I ever saw (ten years ago) was something like "...then the Mormons went west...". Gee, thanks. You're welcome.
I was raised in the South, and I barely, vaguely remember hearing that Mormons even existed. It wasn't until I moved to Seattle that I paid attention to them. (Kinda' hard to miss that church in Belleview with the big gold angel on top. Gabriel? Moroni?)
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:45am |
re: #796 bosforus
Uh, what are you and Dave the... talking about? Does this have anything to do with Mitt Romney do you think (I mean hell, they are still attacking Sarah Palin cause they are scared to death of her running in 2012)?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:46am |
re: #831 Dave the...
So, the left needs a common enemy to demonize. There is no President or really anyone significant in congress. Is that why they are still going after Governor Palin?
No, they are going after Palin because she's a winner and they see that. They are out to destroy her while they have the chance.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:02:32am |
re: #827 bosforus
Anyways, I'll stop. I hate sounding like a bitter "learn my past" person. Some things are worth remembering, however.
The official persecution of a religious minority was a pretty significant event in our history.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:02:33am |
re: #822 Bumr50
I didn't see the Palin-VanSusteren interview, but I get the impression Sarah Palin is pretty sharp from the clips.
I'm gonna go look online.
Of course it doesn't matter what she says, the analysists will say she "flubbed" the interview.
I posted yesterday that I was watching a Matt Lauer interview her, and as she was thoughtfully listing several intelligent reasons why she wasn't surprised the election went the way it did, the summary caption on the bottom read, "Palin surprised by election."
Yep, just a stupid bimbo who is so clueless that she didn't see it coming.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:03:28am |
re: #834 realwest
Good morning to you! Yeah, but that way means a trip to the Intrepid is TOTALLY out of the question! LOL!
That is a bitch of a drive from NYC though - and not for the faint of heart, either.
HOw are y'all doing today?
A trip to the Intrepid on Thanksgiving weekend is totally out of the question and you and I both know it. That is a bitch of a drive on a normal weekday - even when it isn't rush hour. Thanksgiving weekend? Forgetaboutit.
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Dave the..... Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:03:41am |
Gallop
No, they are going after Palin because she's a winner and they see that. They are out to destroy her while they have the chance.
Ahhh, that makes more sense. They see her as coming back strong in 2012. Or even sooner in Congress.
It's so bizarre to open up my paper in the morning and see these weird headlines attacking/belittling her yet. I thought they would have ended after the election.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:04:11am |
re: #802 {aussiemagpie}
WOW! I hadn't thought of that angle - yeah, lets um, get together as allies! To start, ya know what I mean?
Then we can explore our common, um, roots or whatever! LOL!
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:05:03am |
re: #666 Kenneth
Good morning folks,
On the dangerous stupidity of Obama's "new approach" to Iran,
Walid Phares: "How can we ally ourselves with Iran in Afghanistan and tell them we don't want them to have the nuclear bomb at the same time?" (Video)The idiotic Democratic foreign policy experts base their brilliant strategy on the assumption that Shia Iran doesn't want Sunni Taliban to regain power, therefore the Iranians would help the US establish security in Afghanistan. We all know how well that strategy worked in Iraq. The Iranians may not have wanted Sunni Arabs to gain power, but they were more than willing to help them bomb and murder the people if it helped drive the US out of Iraq.
Already, Al Qaeda fighters from Iraq are crossing Iran to join the Taliban in Pakistan, brigning weapons & money. Could they do this without Ianian knowledge and tacit approval?
Obama is stumped that they won't cooperate - unless he really is willing to let them have the nukes. Thinks so? You betcha.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:05:07am |
re: #793 MandyManners
Might as well have some good music as we're sliding down in a hand-basket.
I may be going to Hell in a bucket
But at least I'm enjoying the ride
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notutopia Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:05:30am |
Have a glorious and prosperous day all!
Work to be done...BBL.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:05:59am |
re: #807 HoosierHoops
Hey there, good morning Hoops! How are you doing today?
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:06:09am |
re: #825 realwest
I'm really glad to hear that good news about your back!
I sure hope you've stopped taking pain pills and aren't taking them before biking to work! How long a bicycle ride is it for you?
Stopped taking the pain pills Sunday night (vicodin)
It's about a 6.0 mile trip each way, plus some side trips for work related stuff. Probably an 18 mile day all told.
I love just cruising along on my bike in the leaves. Makes me feel like I'm 10 years old again.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:06:58am |
re: #850 Who Watches the Watchmen?
I may be going to Hell in a bucket
But at least I'm enjoying the ride
Love the song!
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:07:12am |
re: #844 MandyManners
The official persecution of a religious minority was a pretty significant event in our history.
Yup. Guess I've just never felt comfortable being the person who brings it up, being of the religion in question. And it's Moroni.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:07:27am |
re: #834 realwest
Good morning to you! Yeah, but that way means a trip to the Intrepid is TOTALLY out of the question! LOL!
That is a bitch of a drive from NYC though - and not for the faint of heart, either.
HOw are y'all doing today?
Sorry - still coffeeless. I'm fine. Recovering from a trip to the National Park in Lowell yesterday. Went to the Boott Cotton Mill - still a working mill, now a national museum. It was - illuminating. What those little New England farm girls of 1840 or so must have thought walking in to that huge place.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:08:21am |
re: #842 realwest
Uh, what are you and Dave the... talking about? Does this have anything to do with Mitt Romney do you think (I mean hell, they are still attacking Sarah Palin cause they are scared to death of her running in 2012)?
Ha ha, no. It has nothing to do with Romney or 2012 or any of that. The convo started when I linked a story about 7 Mormon churches having their windows shattered over the weekend and the police won't call it a hate crime.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:08:49am |
re: #849 DistantThunder
The mullahs were watching Obama's speeches and drew a very different assessment of his character than the majority of US voters did. They saw a decadent Western socialist and a vain man craving adulation. They know he pledged to come to them, all they have to do is wait. Not good.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:08:52am |
re: #847 Dave the...
Gallop
Ahhh, that makes more sense. They see her as coming back strong in 2012. Or even sooner in Congress.
It's so bizarre to open up my paper in the morning and see these weird headlines attacking/belittling her yet. I thought they would have ended after the election.
I think Sarah Palin is the best candidate we have ever seen to be the first female POTUS. I suspect the MSM sees that in her too and is moving heaven and earth to destroy her while they can. If they can.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:09:42am |
re: #852 realwest
Hey there, good morning Hoops! How are you doing today?
I am doing wonderful today!
I'm kicked back on edgars couch with my feet propped up!
Hey Edgar..If you are reading this..that's what happens when you are an asshole to everyone..Charles kicks ya out..
/mmm. Nice couch...hope my shoes are clean.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:10:11am |
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YankeeBoy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:10:23am |
Morning Lizards. He's a moonbat, but he sings a funny song.
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aussiemagpie Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:10:45am |
re: #848 realwest
WOW! I hadn't thought of that angle - yeah, lets um, get together as allies! To start, ya know what I mean?
Then we can explore our common, um, roots or whatever! LOL!
Oh dear - now you have said THAT word and this is a family thread and all...LOL!
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apachegunner Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:10:47am |
re: #841 MandyManners
you oughta see the one NW of DC in Maryland on the beltway. Come over a hill and it's in your face beautiful, almost run off the road evertime.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:12:05am |
re: #818 galloping granny
"why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?" Well for one thing her husband won the election and for another she's Black. Add to it that she's bitter too and you have that real
[Link: www.imeem.com...]
only she ain't as good as that.
RIP Miles.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:12:22am |
re: #859 Bumr50
Thanx!
Any time. My family has been traveling up and down between New England and NC/FL or the Southwest for 50+ years now. Not a year goes by that one of us isn't going in one direction or the other - sometimes most of us. I can come up with hotel/restaurant recommendations if you need them too :)
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:12:24am |
re: #858 buzzsawmonkey
A friend/acquaintance I was trying (vainly) to switch from Obama folly prior to the election sent me an email of the Michael Moore post-election gloat note that's been making the rounds.
I just responded to him:
The coming reality will be their just desserts - a nation of liberals mugged by reality.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:13:48am |
Distant Thunder:
a nation of liberals mugged by reality.
Rotating title nominee
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:14:19am |
re: #865 godfrey
Short film:
Woman bus driver in Teheran makes men sit in the back
Excellent.
When they say that women must be locked up their homes, or only travel outside completely covered up because men will see them and sin, I've always thought a good solution would be to have all men wear blindfolds instead.
It achieves all the results THEY SAY the hijab/burqua/etc. are for. It is less dangerous to the men's health in the hot climate than full body covers are to women.
And if it means men can't drive or can't venture outside without a woman to lead them, well, it is no more than they've asked of women for 1400 years.
Unless they want to admit that the reasons for the hijab are about subjugation and not about stopping lust.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:15:21am |
About the last thread. That was funny. Really, fighting over the Prince of Peace's burial place (well, supposed burial place).
Rock-em-Sock-em Monks! Just in time for Christmas.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:16:10am |
re: #870 galloping granny
Girlfriends mom gave us a laminated set of directions with rest stop ratings and everything.
Thanks anyway, though!: )
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:16:35am |
re: #855 bosforus
Yup. Guess I've just never felt comfortable being the person who brings it up, being of the religion in question. And it's Moroni.
Why? It wasn't the Mormons' fault!
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:16:39am |
re: #877 Walter L. Newton
About the last thread. That was funny. Really, fighting over the Prince of Peace's burial place (well, supposed burial place).
Rock-em-Sock-em Monks! Just in time for Christmas.
It's all that pent up testosterone...
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:16:47am |
re: #877 Walter L. Newton
About the last thread. That was funny. Really, fighting over the Prince of Peace's burial place (well, supposed burial place).
Rock-em-Sock-em Monks! Just in time for Christmas.
Pathetic Walter...
Hey how the heck are you this morning? You're up early!
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:16:51am |
re: #879 Bumr50
Girlfriends mom gave us a laminated set of directions with rest stop ratings and everything.
Thanks anyway, though!: )
Someone rates rest stops?
I'm glad that is not my job.
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rawmuse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:17:04am |
Good morning, Lizards! Another gawjus day awaits.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:17:17am |
re: #865 godfrey
Short film:
Woman bus driver in Teheran makes men sit in the back
Excellent.
Careful, cross her and you'll learn what it means to be thrown under the bus.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:17:47am |
re: #863 buzzsawmonkey
She's not being raked over the coals because everyone who saw her in that dress believes that that was punishment enough.
*zing*
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:18:25am |
re: #885 rawmuse
Good morning, Lizards! Another gawjus day awaits.
Good Morning raw..what's new out on the left coast?
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:18:26am |
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:18:30am |
re: #868 apachegunner
you oughta see the one NW of DC in Maryland on the beltway. Come over a hill and it's in your face beautiful, almost run off the road evertime.
I'll check it out the next time I'm out that way.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:18:59am |
re: #858 buzzsawmonkey
A friend/acquaintance I was trying (vainly) to switch from Obama folly prior to the election sent me an email of the Michael Moore post-election gloat note that's been making the rounds.
I just responded to him:
I admire your restraint.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:19:11am |
re: #884 Silhouette
Someone rates rest stops?
I'm glad that is not my job.
Probably personal ratings. There is a restaurant near the PA/NY border that most of my family tries very hard to schedule a breakfast stop for. And one in Arkansas.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:19:46am |
re: #874 Silhouette
Why aren't the men in burkas, too? It's not as if women have no sexual desires. The men cause fitna by wearing pants. Cover them! Put them in bags!
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:19:56am |
re: #846 galloping granny
A better option might be to drive to NJ (Hoboken, Weehawken), take the ferry across and walk along the Hudson up to the Intrepid pier. Save your sanity, and you can take the NY Waterway buses to get around town too.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:20:02am |
re: #885 rawmuse
Good morning, Lizards! Another gawjus day awaits.
Hey raw - Mr DT is in BelAir and sailing today to Catalina Island with a client. I am in the politically frigid NE where our dear leader Gov Corzine the Tax Nazi just informed us above the fold - NO TAX REBATES FOR YOU!
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rawmuse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:20:07am |
re: #889 HoosierHoops
Good Morning raw..what's new out on the left coast?
I dunno. Got an extra $28 billion to spare? This utopia that the Democrats have made for us does not come cheap, you know.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:20:27am |
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:20:55am |
re: #894 Iron Fist
You know, if I were a Leftist, Mikey Moore would embarrass the hell out of me. I mean, the dude is about as low as Fred Phelps. And he's such a slob. Disgusting, really. Why would anybody want to be associated with him?
Yet the Left eat him up. His swill has "earned" him millions and millions of dollars. And he comes out with "soak the rich" propaganda, and he makes money on it.
And no one sees the contradiction. It's a great racket, I guess. If being a fat slob with no sense of decency is your gig. Enjoy the fruits of Capitalism, communist pig!
And that slob invests in Halliburton. - The left doesn't care.
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rawmuse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:21:04am |
re: #900 DistantThunder
Catalina, that sounds like big fun. I'd go in a heartbeat.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:21:21am |
re: #888 buzzsawmonkey
Especially since the office gives you a urinal cake on your birthday.
I wouldn't blow out that candle.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:21:25am |
Hank Paulsen's gonna talk soon. I'm gonna find a Dow ticker widget.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:21:38am |
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:21:46am |
re: #901 rawmuse
I dunno. Got an extra $28 billion to spare? This utopia that the Democrats have made for us does not come cheap, you know.
Needs lots of slaves like the old plantation. Sowell needs to write a book - The New Slave Nation.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:22:03am |
re: #894 Iron Fist
You know, if I were a Leftist, Mikey Moore would embarrass the hell out of me. I mean, the dude is about as low as Fred Phelps. And he's such a slob. Disgusting, really. Why would anybody want to be associated with him?
Yet the Left eat him up. His swill has "earned" him millions and millions of dollars. And he comes out with "soak the rich" propaganda, and he makes money on it.
And no one sees the contradiction. It's a great racket, I guess. If being a fat slob with no sense of decency is your gig. Enjoy the fruits of Capitalism, communist pig!
Oink.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:22:10am |
re: #901 rawmuse
I dunno. Got an extra $28 billion to spare? This utopia that the Democrats have made for us does not come cheap, you know.
No..I'm tapped out.. I loaned the treasury a trillion dollars and now they won't return my calls.. Collection agency maybe?
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vxbush Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:22:12am |
re: #897 Bumr50
Ugly in Cali.
Eh? What what? Do you mean in regards to Proposition 8? Sorry, but the caffeine hasn't really kicked in yet.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:22:19am |
re: #898 lawhawk
A better option might be to drive to NJ (Hoboken, Weehawken), take the ferry across and walk along the Hudson up to the Intrepid pier. Save your sanity, and you can take the NY Waterway buses to get around town too.
My particular option when I want to see anything at all in New York is to drive across the river here at home, hop the train and cab it once I hit the city. If a bunch of us are going, we drive down, grab a hotel, stash the car in a parking garage and cab it. Wouldn't dream of trying to drive anywhere in the city.
Same for Boston too really.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:22:47am |
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:22:48am |
re: #822 Bumr50
and
re: #824 Kenneth
I watched both hours of the Greta interview and I know that Kenneth is partly correct. But in the second hour, in particular, she mentioned in passing - a couple of times - that she'd spoken to Hillary Clinton and admired her for at least creating cracks in that "last remaining glass ceiling" and that's what scares the Dems the most.
I DO think she'll be the Republican Nominee (although that's a looong way out there) and will scare the crap out of the Dems.
You know, "well now that American has broken that last remaining Black glass ceiling, it seems only fair that we break the Gender glass ceiling - and I'll toss the liberal, beltway boy's club elites out on their asses, too. Time to get America's elected officials back to working for Americans, not have more of this American's working for their elected officials paychecks and favorite pet projects."
She is a very, very bright woman, but - and this is a little bit regrettable - she DOES come off - with her speech patterns and "ya's" as unsophisticated. But she is a SMART damn politician and I'm glad we're no longer hiding her away up in Alaska!
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soccerdad Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:23:39am |
US in Secret Attacks on Al Queda...
Hmmm...someone is singing like a canary. And telling our friggin national secrets! to the NYT no less. Bastardos
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:23:43am |
re: #863 buzzsawmonkey
She's not being raked over the coals because everyone who saw her in that dress believes that that was punishment enough.
Unfortunately, no, not "everyone".
No questioning of the cost.
blech.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:23:48am |
re: #904 rawmuse
Catalina, that sounds like big fun. I'd go in a heartbeat.
It's a survival journey - trial evacuation and then full survival. He pretends that it is work, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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rawmuse Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:23:49am |
We have some right wing talk jockeys out here that are pretty funny. They take sound clips from liberal politicians, usually talking about their utopian visions (paid for by someone else) and they play them with Zamfir pan flute music dubbed in.
Cracks me up.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:24:08am |
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:24:22am |
re: #915 MandyManners
WHAT?
Oh, yes big expose on all his stocks and holdings - google Moore and Halliburton.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:25:04am |
re: #922 galloping granny
And how is the Old Gray Hag this morning?
YOu mean HIllary? Babs? or Meryl?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:25:36am |
re: #924 ploome hineni
yes, you are right
she has to do something about her too cheereful speech patterns
Oh no she doesn't! No changing of the hair either! That is what makes her who she is and who she is is what makes her a winner.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:26:09am |
re: #926 DistantThunder
YOu mean HIllary? Babs? or Meryl?
I mean the Gray Lady of New York, otherwise known as the New York TSlimes.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:26:41am |
re: #918 soccerdad
On the other hand, Obama will soon find out what it's like to lead a factional, leaky, backstabbing & infighting US government.
Payback is a bitch.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:26:41am |
re: #881 MandyManners
Why? It wasn't the Mormons' fault!
That there is a good point. Thanks for the encouragement! Perhaps a Mormon history lesson every once in a while is more important than my worries.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:26:51am |
re: #928 galloping granny
I mean the Gray Lady of New York, otherwise known as the New York
TSlimes.
I know - but I couldn't "hep" myself.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:27:04am |
re: #924 ploome hineni
She should start smoking Gitanes and wearing Versace.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:27:04am |
re: #839 Miss Trixie
HEY! I was just paraphrasing what aussiemagpie said!
And don't y'all go even thinking about whacking me with Mandy's stick. Uh, no wait, that didn't come out right...well you know what I mean - take it up with aussiemagpie!
*smoooches*
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:27:10am |
DOW now down 207.
But the New York Pravda stock price just hit a new low, so there is some good news.
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rightside Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:27:39am |
re: #878 Kenneth
I forgot to add, I got that from vbspurs site
I am in no way claiming credit for that!
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:27:41am |
re: #818 galloping granny
It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?
Obama has said on TV that she pays for her own clothes.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:27:43am |
If Palin's aides are right that she has a photographic memory, watch out.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:28:10am |
re: #918 soccerdad
US in Secret Attacks on Al Queda...
Hmmm...someone is singing like a canary. And telling our friggin national secrets! to the NYT no less. Bastardos
There will be no secrets under Obama. The enemy will know everything. It's already starting.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:28:13am |
re: #923 DistantThunder
Oh, yes big expose on all his stocks and holdings - google Moore and Halliburton.
Fucking hypocrite.
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godfrey Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:28:29am |
re: #935 3 wood
I was ready to invest on November 5th. Now, I'm going to wait.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:28:46am |
re: #927 galloping granny
Oh no she doesn't! No changing of the hair either! That is what makes her who she is and who she is is what makes her a winner.
I think she needs to become slightly more polished in her public speaking. This can be done without "changing" her.
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albusteve Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:28:51am |
re: #870 galloping granny
Any time. My family has been traveling up and down between New England and NC/FL or the Southwest for 50+ years now. Not a year goes by that one of us isn't going in one direction or the other - sometimes most of us. I can come up with hotel/restaurant recommendations if you need them too :)
aha!...there you have it...I-95 is iconic americana
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:29:33am |
re: #931 bosforus
That there is a good point. Thanks for the encouragement! Perhaps a Mormon history lesson every once in a while is more important than my worries.
Knowledge is power.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:29:50am |
re: #937 JustMyView
Obama has said on TV that she pays for her own clothes.
She can't afford dance lessons for her daughters and can afford a designer "dress"? Some family-oriented priorities those are. I used to staple my bras together and sew two pairs of half worn out jeans together at the knees to make sure my daughters had what they needed.
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:29:55am |
re: #940 bosforus
Transparency in everything that's not a bailout or entitlement.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:30:19am |
I have a decision to make about teaching early morning seminary to our youth group ages 12-18. We meet at 6am every morning to study the New Testament for 45 minutes. I've only taught every Wedn. however, the other teacher was in a car accident - and is out permanently. Now I'm debating whether or not I*'m up to it EVERY DAY.
I am not a morning person.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:31:05am |
I just got a reponse from the North Carolina elections board.
I reported a case of voter fraud 3 days before the election. Just today I get a response, and they are contradicting what they said earlier.
I first asked them, "Is this legal?" and they replied, "No." Now they are saying that it all depends on how the voter thinks and only someone from NC can file a challenge anyway, not me from another state, and makes a point to say the burden of proof is on me.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:31:19am |
re: #938 godfrey
If Palin's aides are right that she has a photographic memory, watch out.
That first speech that she gave alone should have clued you into that one. That is what makes her able to roll with it when the teleprompter fails while Obama is left stuttering.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:31:41am |
re: #945 ploome hineni
By Sabah Karimi, published Nov 05, 2008
suits and jackets are attention grabbing?
who is Sabah Karimi, and why does she matter?
heh.
She doesn't matter. Amazingly different treatment of Michelle and Sarah, n'est-ce pas?
Where is the whining and questioning of the cost of Michelle's dresses, and where is the "average" American woman who can afford dresses fresh off some "designer's" spring collection?
That writer is out of touch, if she thinks the "average" American woman can spend that sort of money on designer duds.
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saberry0530 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:31:59am |
re: #949 DistantThunder
THe answer to your questions is COFFEE! LOTS AND LOTS OF COFFEE!
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:32:15am |
re: #949 DistantThunder
I have a decision to make about teaching early morning seminary to our youth group ages 12-18. We meet at 6am every morning to study the New Testament for 45 minutes. I've only taught every Wedn. however, the other teacher was in a car accident - and is out permanently. Now I'm debating whether or not I*'m up to it EVERY DAY.
I am not a morning person.
Decisions like that are best answered on your knees, not by idjits like us. ;-)
It's above my paygrade. ;-)
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:32:25am |
re: #950 Silhouette
I just got a reponse from the North Carolina elections board.
I reported a case of voter fraud 3 days before the election. Just today I get a response, and they are contradicting what they said earlier.
I first asked them, "Is this legal?" and they replied, "No." Now they are saying that it all depends on how the voter thinks and only someone from NC can file a challenge anyway, not me from another state, and makes a point to say the burden of proof is on me.
Contact John Fund at the WSJ. He has a book out on voter fraud - I bet he'd be interested to hear from you.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:32:25am |
re: #950 Silhouette
I just got a reponse from the North Carolina elections board.
I reported a case of voter fraud 3 days before the election. Just today I get a response, and they are contradicting what they said earlier.
I first asked them, "Is this legal?" and they replied, "No." Now they are saying that it all depends on how the voter thinks and only someone from NC can file a challenge anyway, not me from another state, and makes a point to say the burden of proof is on me.
Of course they are saying that. Looking at the numbers from my state yesterday, I am reasonably sure that Obama was selected rather than elected and that this "election" was simply a formality.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:32:41am |
re: #860 bosforus
SEVEN Mormon churches but it's not a hate crime? Um, how many Catholic Churches, or Mosques or whatever had their windows broken at the same time?
Stupid, absolutely STUPID people full of hate for folks who've never done anything to 'em at all.
But what about this TV ad about Mormons's doing a home break-in?! WTH is that?!
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:32:54am |
Has anyone asked McCain about those taxpayer "safeguards" that he ran back to the Senate and White House to ensure were put in the bill before he would think about signing it? If there were any less disclosure and any more speculation we'd be wondering if it was even real.
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:33:33am |
Obama likely to escape campaign audit
The Federal Election Commission is unlikely to conduct a potentially embarrassing audit of how Barack Obama raised and spent his presidential campaign’s record-shattering windfall, despite allegations of questionable donations and accounting that had the McCain campaign crying foul.Adding insult to injury for Republicans: The FEC is obligated to complete a rigorous audit of McCain’s campaign coffers, which will take months, if not years, and cost McCain millions of dollars to defend.
The Marxist One can do no wrong.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:33:42am |
re: #956 saberry0530
THe answer to your questions is COFFEE! LOTS AND LOTS OF COFFEE!
I'm LDS (Mormon) - no coffee, no tea...
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:34:13am |
re: #956 saberry0530
THe answer to your questions is COFFEE! LOTS AND LOTS OF COFFEE!
Somebody say coffee?
*holds out cup*
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:34:38am |
re: #962 Iron Fist
Mikey Moron is all about "Socialism for thee, but not for me!" He's made himself quite wealthy with it.
The very rich and the poor will be okay under socialism.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:01am |
re: #935 3 wood
DOW now down 207.
But the New York Pravda stock price just hit a new low, so there is some good news.
/250, thanks Obama!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:20am |
re: #960 realwest
SEVEN Mormon churches but it's not a hate crime? Um, how many Catholic Churches, or Mosques or whatever had their windows broken at the same time?
Stupid, absolutely STUPID people full of hate for folks who've never done anything to 'em at all.But what about this TV ad about Mormons's doing a home break-in?! WTH is that?!
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:22am |
re: #964 DistantThunder
I'm LDS (Mormon) - no coffee, no tea...
I could never make it as a Mormon, no coffee? Somethings are asking too much!
;-)
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:27am |
DOW now down 249.
So far, the Obama election does not seem to be working positive magic on the market.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:29am |
re: #955 Iron Fist
BUsh was constantly undermined by partisan Democrats in the Pentagon, the CIA, the State Department & so on, leaking information and secret reports to the media. Well, there are a lot of partisan Republicans in those organizations too. Leaks will happen. Hell, Obama's own staff won't keep their mouths shut (re: Obama's meeting with Bush).
Loose lips sink presidents, too.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:35:47am |
re: #960 realwest
SEVEN Mormon churches but it's not a hate crime? Um, how many Catholic Churches, or Mosques or whatever had their windows broken at the same time?
Stupid, absolutely STUPID people full of hate for folks who've never done anything to 'em at all.But what about this TV ad about Mormons's doing a home break-in?! WTH is that?!
Shows Mormon missionaries knock on a door. When the lesbian couple answers they forced themselves inside ransacking the house like the gestapo - find the wedding certificate and tear it up. Then ask - Now what can we ban.
How is that commerical not hate speech especially if it incites violence against the LDS?
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:36:25am |
Paulson says the bailout has begun to work! Hallelujah!
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Macker Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:36:27am |
re: #962 Iron Fist
Mikey Moron is all about "Socialism for thee, but not for me!" He's made himself quite wealthy with it.
I prefer Mike al-Moor for his moniker.
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:36:38am |
re: #971 3 wood
DOW now down 249.
So far, the Obama election does not seem to be working positive magic on the market.
When everything is nationalized the DOW will go up 50 points a day.
It's in the 5 year plan.
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vxbush Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:37:16am |
re: #965 ploome hineni
Versace? can only wear the dresses with glue on the chest, to keep the thing on
I'm a real big fan of garbage bag dresses. Duct tape is cheap. :D
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:37:18am |
re: #940 bosforus
There will be no secrets under Obama. The enemy will know everything. It's already starting.
And the MSM will be happy to print every word of it. Especially if it endangers our military.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:37:38am |
re: #879 Bumr50
LAMINATED?!? Whoa, that's just a tad over the top, less of course the idea was for ya to be able to write on it with one of those erasable grease pens!
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:37:41am |
Remember all. Seven. Hundred. Billion. Dollars.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:37:42am |
re: #971 3 wood
DOW now down 249.
So far, the Obama election does not seem to be working positive magic on the market.
/and they said yesterday that he won't name a Treasury Secretary this week so the uncertainty continues
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:38:03am |
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:38:16am |
re: #958 DistantThunder
Contact John Fund at the WSJ. He has a book out on voter fraud - I bet he'd be interested to hear from you.
My only fear about that is that it is a co-worker, and I would have to give his name and mine. I could become the office villian AND it wouldn't change the election.
But I may contact him anyway.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:38:39am |
re: #980 realwest
LAMINATED?!? Whoa, that's just a tad over the top, less of course the idea was for ya to be able to write on it with one of those erasable grease pens!
Might also be to keep it from getting wet and tramped on should road food explode in the car :)
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Killian Bundy Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:39:02am |
Now Paulson starts talkinkg.
/headed for down 300
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:39:03am |
re: #951 jcm
Morning, 'tis a gray soggy blustery morn in the Great Northwet.
'Tis bright and sunny here, though seasonably cool. A gorgeous day!
/should I continue or *duck*?
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:39:11am |
AIG story from yesterday...
Friend has been with AIG fro 18 years no claims, no accidents. She is 2 days late with her payment. They tell her they can reinstate her for $2000 more a year. So instead of $600 a year they want $2600.
She couldn't make them budge.
Now she's with GEICO and very happy at $700 a year.
AIG - DOOMED.
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:39:52am |
re: #981 Bumr50
Remember all. Seven. Hundred. Billion. Dollars.
It burns my but. I watch my P's&Q's, I keep my debt low, I got a mortgage I could afford, I own both my vehicles. I carry no unsecured debt balance.
AND I'VE GOT TO BAIL OUT THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:39:54am |
re: #978 vxbush
I'm a real big fan of garbage bag dresses. Duct tape is cheap. :D
Don't let it stay on the skin! I learned that the hard way when The Kid was into removing his diaper and used that tape to secure his diaper once.
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quickredfox Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:39:58am |
re: #465 Empire1
I'm getting back into oil painting (don't have much talent, but it's fun), and have seen mention of water-mixable oils that don't require turpentine or other nasties for clean-up. (And you can also get them out of clothing and dog fur!) Have any of you used them? What do you think of them? I've got some standard oils left over from my last foray into this, but if the water-mixables are any good, I'd happily switch.
I'm using the water-mixable oils and like them a lot, after getting back into painting after having not done much for awhile. Earlier I had used the regular oils. Clean-up is so much nicer now. There is some kind of subtle difference in the handling that I can't quite describe, but they are very, very close. One can even mix in a little of the regular oils to blend colors, so long as not too much of the regular oils are mixed in. Because of the mess with regular oils I had considered trying acrylics, but they just didn't work for me, and I like the rich look of oils. (I do paintings of animals). At the art store where I bought mine, the price wasn't notably more expensive than the regular oils.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:40:07am |
re: #974 Bumr50
Paulson says the bailout has begun to work! Hallelujah!
What kind of glue is he sniffing?
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:40:33am |
So, the Obama camp isn't publicly announcing its cabinet choices, but has leaked some possibilities.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:41:03am |
re: #979 3 wood
And the MSM will be happy to print every word of it. Especially if it endangers our military.
re: #989 jcm
It burns my but. I watch my P's&Q's, I keep my debt low, I got a mortgage I could afford, I own both my vehicles. I carry no unsecured debt balance.
AND I'VE GOT TO BAIL OUT THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT!
You have been BETRAYED by your government.
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:41:18am |
re: #987 pre-Boomer Marine brat
'Tis bright and sunny here, though seasonably cool. A gorgeous day!
/should I continue or *duck*?
Nah! We gooeyducks live for days like to today.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:41:26am |
re: #906 Bumr50
DAMN! Can't somebody find a way to shut Paulsen up?
Every time he speaks the markets drop even more like a stone.
He is TOXIC for our economy.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:41:28am |
re: #992 ploome hineni
AIG provides the same product as GEICO?
Car insurance - all types of insurance.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:41:41am |
re: #966 jcm
Somebody say coffee?
*holds out cup*
/hmmm, why do I get arcs and sparks and fuses popping when I pour coffee into my broadband modem?
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:41:53am |
re: #995 Bumr50
True that!
Did I mention the 4 kids, 2 cats and a dog that I've driven the nation's super highways with? :)
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:42:00am |
Providing liquidity to backstop the GSE's.
Good one.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:42:05am |
re: #993 galloping granny
hey Granny! Can I e-mail you at some time?
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vxbush Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:42:07am |
re: #990 MandyManners
Don't let it stay on the skin! I learned that the hard way when The Kid was into removing his diaper and used that tape to secure his diaper once.
Heh. I have this image of you chasing after him as he crawls away, butt naked, diaper sitting on the side...
*smiles*
Red Green had one of his movies where the Duct Tape Queen wore a dress made of duct tape. Very cool, in my opinion.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:42:26am |
re: #972 Kenneth
It will be quite interesting to watch Obama's sudden obsession with stopping leaks when they are undermining him and not his opponents.
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:42:33am |
re: #969 reine.de.tout
Unfuckingbelievable.
If a commercial were to show a bunch of Muslims forcing women to wear burkhas, or stoning them for adultery, the funders and producers would be villifie beyond compare.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:43:02am |
re: #1005 sattv4u2
hey Granny! Can I e-mail you at some time?
Sure - here you go. always like to hear from LGFers.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:43:34am |
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:43:40am |
re: #1002 pre-Boomer Marine brat
/hmmm, why do I get arcs and sparks and fuses popping when I pour coffee into my broadband modem?
You have to zip it up first...
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:44:01am |
re: #994 lawhawk
So, the Obama camp isn't publicly announcing its cabinet choices, but has leaked some possibilities.
Bill Clinton, Part 3.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:44:32am |
re: #960 realwest
SEVEN Mormon churches but it's not a hate crime? Um, how many Catholic Churches, or Mosques or whatever had their windows broken at the same time?
I did forget to mention that these incidents occurred in Utah along the Wasatch Front (the labeling of the temples in this image is irrelevant, it's just a random map I found) so 7 churches being vandalized isn't significant proportional to the number of LDS churches in Utah (a ten minute drive through the Salt Lake valley can get you 7 LDS churches easy). But it is significant compared to the number of LDS churches vandalized in any given weekend. Another despicable part of this story is the headline in the rabidly anti-Mormon Salt Lake Tribune "Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend". Anyone with half a brain would call these buildings what they are - "churches". The use of the word "wardhouse" is meant to deliberately confuse the reader into thinking something less significant than a hate crime has occurred. An LDS "ward" is the exact same as a "congregation". Several wards can attend one building at different times on Sundays.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:44:50am |
re: #918 soccerdad Well that's one thing we won't have to worry about with Obama as POTUS - they won't be leaked to the NYTimes, just handed out directly as press releases from the White House.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:45:35am |
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:45:38am |
FLYING PIG!
Evergreen State College welcomes war veterans
OLYMPIA, Wash. —The Evergreen State College is unveiling the design for a token coin to honor student veterans at a Veterans Day ceremony at the college in Olympia.
s...p...e...e...c...h...l...e...s...s
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:46:18am |
re: #1006 vxbush
Heh. I have this image of you chasing after him as he crawls away, butt naked, diaper sitting on the side...
*smiles*
Red Green had one of his movies where the Duct Tape Queen wore a dress made of duct tape. Very cool, in my opinion.
He walked at nine months so, substitute "toddles" for "crawls." Oh, those were the days!
A dress made of it would be a PITA to remove.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:46:26am |
re: #1015 bosforus
I did forget to mention that these incidents occurred in Utah along the Wasatch Front (the labeling of the temples in this image is irrelevant, it's just a random map I found) so 7 churches being vandalized isn't significant proportional to the number of LDS churches in Utah (a ten minute drive through the Salt Lake valley can get you 7 LDS churches easy). But it is significant compared to the number of LDS churches vandalized in any given weekend. Another despicable part of this story is the headline in the rabidly anti-Mormon Salt Lake Tribune "Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend". Anyone with half a brain would call these buildings what they are - "churches". The use of the word "wardhouse" is meant to deliberately confuse the reader into thinking something less significant than a hate crime has occurred. An LDS "ward" is the exact same as a "congregation". Several wards can attend one building at different times on Sundays.
I initially read "wardhouse" as "warehouse." Luckily, I happen to know that LDS does not have many warehouses but they do have more than a few "wardhouses."
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:46:37am |
re: #1019 jcm
FLYING PIG!
Evergreen State College welcomes war veterans
s...p...e...e...c...h...l...e...s...s
Does this mean the Cubs might actually win the World Series next year?
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:46:45am |
re: #1008 freedombilly
It will be quite interesting to watch Obama's sudden obsession with stopping leaks when they are undermining him and not his opponents.
He will wield an iron fist.
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father_of_10 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:46:46am |
Are we now just putting in time waiting for the REAL morning thread to come on?
Certainly I have work to do, but certainly I don't want to do it. Just waiting for the first appointment of the day.
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Outrider Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:46:52am |
re: #738 Silhouette
The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.
It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.
Anyone they perceive as a threat is disposed of through ridicule and innuendo, if not outright slurs as in Palins case. Look what they did to Quayle, who folks will remember the press also tried to destroy during the election with the phrase ,"a heartbeat away".
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:47:15am |
re: #924 ploome hineni
Hi ploome! Yeah but that's really all it is - she speaks like normal (or at least normal to me) folks do and that suggests a lack of sophisitication - which is NOT true.
She just doens't put on any "airs" ya know? Smart, TOUGH cookie she is.
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vxbush Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:47:19am |
re: #1020 MandyManners
He walked at nine months so, substitute "toddles" for "crawls." Oh, those were the days!
A dress made of it would be a PITA to remove.
Perhaps, but no drycleaning! Bonus, in my opinion.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:47:30am |
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Macker Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:47:39am |
re: #1022 freedombilly
Does this mean the Cubs might actually win the World Series next year?
No, that would be a sign of the Apocalypse...
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kansas Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:47:48am |
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
— Henry Van Dyke
Silent woods. Good idea.
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:47:57am |
re: #1022 freedombilly
Does this mean the Cubs might actually win the World Series next year?
Anythings possible, if ESC can honor vets BHO might govern from the center...
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:48:25am |
re: #1019 jcm
FLYING PIG!
Evergreen State College welcomes war veterans
s...p...e...e...c...h...l...e...s...s
Evergreen even HAS alum that are veterans?
/Of course "patriotism" is just fine now that we have single party control of our government. "Patriotism was just fine - and in fact mandated - in Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, & Mao's China too.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:48:35am |
Howdy. Someone please get the hamsters some coffee:
1) I couldn't log in via the main "log in" box on the upper left corner of the main page.
2) When I logged in at the bottom of this page, I was kicked back out to the main page.
3) Clicking "New comments" gets me hung up with the Spinning Hamster Wheel of Death.
4) And, of course, loading the page, etc. is laborious (1,000 plus comments, not a big surprise).
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:48:38am |
re: #1033 jcm
Anythings possible, if ESC can honor vets BHO might govern from the center...
(Holding breath)
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:48:44am |
re: #1021 galloping granny
I initially read "wardhouse" as "warehouse."
So did I. My first reaction was, they're going after our warehouses now, what the?
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:49:05am |
re: #1024 father_of_10
Are we now just putting in time waiting for the REAL morning thread to come on?
Certainly I have work to do, but certainly I don't want to do it. Just waiting for the first appointment of the day.
We could send in a noob to jump on the large lizards bed, but that can get ugly.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:49:12am |
re: #1013 jcm
You have to zip it up first...
Well I'll be damned! I just zip up a cuppa coffee, jcm innocently un-zips it (inside his own computer, of course) ... then two days later, I'm gunned down on the streets of Dallas by a hired hit-man.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:49:23am |
re: #1035 galloping granny
Evergreen even HAS alum that are veterans?
/Of course "patriotism" is just fine now that we have single party control of our government. "Patriotism was just fine - and in fact mandated - in Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, & Mao's China too.
Soon we will have a Democrat-approved war, and patriotism will be laudable again (as well as mandatory).
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:49:42am |
re: #1035 galloping granny
Evergreen even HAS alum that are veterans?
/Of course "patriotism" is just fine now that we have single party control of our government. "Patriotism was just fine - and in fact mandated - in Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, & Mao's China too.
The flag is "in" in again.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:49:48am |
re: #937 JustMyView
Well given that her current paycheck is bigger than a Senators paycheck ($350,000 vs $181,000) she ought to pay for her own damn clothes. And everything else.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:49:55am |
re: #1024 father_of_10
Are we now just putting in time waiting for the REAL morning thread to come on?
Certainly I have work to do, but certainly I don't want to do it. Just waiting for the first appointment of the day.
This is not the "morning thread" :)
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quickredfox Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:50:02am |
re: #1001 ploome hineni
do you have any of your paintings online?
I had a watercolor done of one of my dogs
Not currently, although I've thought of putting up a couple since I've been getting back into it. I'll try to blue my nic as I could attach a couple in an email if you would like to see them.
I love the look of watercolor, but oils work the best for me. I could never quite get along with pastels either, although I've seen some fantastic work done in those.
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:50:02am |
re: #1038 bosforus
So did I. My first reaction was, they're going after our warehouses now, what the?
I was trying to figure out why you had warehouses.
Stockpiling?
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:50:16am |
Information on LDS (Mormon) missionaries:
Young men and women have to petition the church to go on a mission.
They must meet church standards of no drinking, smoking, drugs, - no sex, this is prior and during the mission.
They self-finance the whole mission, sometime with the help of parents.
Missions are 2 years for men, 18 months for women.
Men go between ages 19-25.
Young women go between ages 21-30.
Missionaries do not choose where they serve, they receive a letter with their assigned location.
Older couples are also encouraged to serve missions, which are usually 18 months, and self-financed. Our friend's parents were called to serve in Siberia, Russia - and the people were wonderful.
There are about 58,000+ missionaries currently serving.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:50:17am |
re: #1023 MandyManners
He will wield an iron fist.
Iron Fist has been tapped for the Obama administration?!
Say it ain't so, IF!
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Silhouette Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:50:43am |
re: #1043 realwest
Well given that her current paycheck is bigger than a Senators paycheck ($350,000 vs $181,000) she ought to pay for her own damn clothes. And everything else.
I presume she is quitting?
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:50:59am |
When I listen to Paulson, TRANSPARENCY is the first word I associate.
/sarc
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coz Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:51:54am |
As can now be found daily at the new Land of Coz site:
Here is your Word of the Day!
The Word of the Day for November 12, 2008 is:
pantheon • PAN-thee-ahn • noun
1 : a temple dedicated to all the gods; also : the gods of a people
*2 : a group of illustrious persons
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:03am |
re: #1040 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Well I'll be damned! I just zip up a cuppa coffee, jcm innocently un-zips it (inside his own computer, of course) ... then two days later, I'm gunned down on the streets of Dallas by a hired hit-man.
I only do things like fiddle with with you boot.ini file. Your computer boots and the at the selection screen gives you.
Windows 3.0
MacOS 10.5
Redhat
And I set the delay to about an hour...
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father_of_10 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:09am |
re: #1039 jcm
We could send in a noob to jump on the large lizards bed, but that can get ugly.
. . . and I certainly don't want to clean up THAT mess!
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Opilio Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:15am |
re: #963 jcm
Obama likely to escape campaign audit
The Marxist One can do no wrong.
In the interest of transparency and openness, the hallmark of his campaign, the Beneficent One should INSIST that the FEC audit his campaign finances. To do any less would not be,... beneficent.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:23am |
Also, when I post a comment, I get kicked back up to the top of this thread.
STINKY! GET OUT THE TOOLKIT!
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:24am |
re: #1047 DistantThunder
I was recently an artist-in-resident at BYU-Rexburg and learned a lot about missions. The students were incredibly friendly and very eager to learn. I had a very pleasant time there.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:26am |
re: #1043 realwest
Well given that her current paycheck is bigger than a Senators paycheck ($350,000 vs $181,000) she ought to pay for her own damn clothes. And everything else.
And should have plenty left over to pay for dance lessons and her damned student loans!
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OldLineTexan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:27am |
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:52:39am |
re: #982 Killian Bundy
/and they said yesterday that he won't name a Treasury Secretary this week so the uncertainty continues
He has no idea what to do.
He has no idea how economics works.
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:53:04am |
re: #1046 Silhouette
I was trying to figure out why you had warehouses.
Stockpiling?
Yeah, something like that. Members are also encouraged to have a 6 month supply of food "just in case".
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:53:06am |
re: #1028 vxbush
Perhaps, but no drycleaning! Bonus, in my opinion.
Save the money for the booze bill to deaden the skin.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:53:15am |
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Summersong Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:53:29am |
Another day, another fist full of dollars evaporate...
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:53:38am |
re: #1029 freedombilly
And he will be lauded for it by the MFM.
Little duckies all getting in a row.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:53:46am |
re: #1027 realwest
Hey, real!
Speaking of regional accents, where & when did Michelle loose her South Chicago twang? That ain't exactly an East Coast elite way of talking...
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:54:14am |
re: #1031 Iron Fist
'Cause the first two terms were such bang-up successes. What with al Qaeda meeting or exceeding its growth target quarter after quarter (should that be Qatar?). Happy days are here again!
I refuse to get depressed. I refuse to get depressed. I refuse to get depressed.
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:54:18am |
re: #1058 freedombilly
I was recently an artist-in-resident at BYU-Rexburg and learned a lot about missions. The students were incredibly friendly and very eager to learn. I had a very pleasant time there.
I'm glad to hear that. My boyfriend in high school won a scholarship there and I would often visit him. I am a BYU grad.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:54:19am |
re: #1047 DistantThunder
There are about 58,000+ missionaries currently serving.
I wonder how many of them will now be the subjects of assault after this "ad" makes the rounds?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:54:34am |
re: #1053 jcm
I only do things like fiddle with with you boot.ini file. Your computer boots and the at the selection screen gives you.
Windows 3.0
MacOS 10.5
RedhatAnd I set the delay to about an hour...
AUUUGGGHHH!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:54:49am |
re: #1036 Occasional Reader
Howdy. Someone please get the hamsters some coffee:
1) I couldn't log in via the main "log in" box on the upper left corner of the main page.
2) When I logged in at the bottom of this page, I was kicked back out to the main page.
3) Clicking "New comments" gets me hung up with the Spinning Hamster Wheel of Death.
4) And, of course, loading the page, etc. is laborious (1,000 plus comments, not a big surprise).
Some people would bitch if you hanged them with a golden rope.
*rad*
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sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:55:17am |
re: #1061 3 wood
He has no idea what to do.
He has no idea how economics works.
Of course he does
STEP 1) Find someone that has money
STEP 2) Find someone that doesn't
STEP 3) Take from 1, send to 2
STEP 4) #2 is now endebted to you
STEP 5) get re-elected thanks to all the #2's!
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father_of_10 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:55:18am |
re: #1070 DistantThunder
I'm glad to hear that. My boyfriend in high school won a scholarship there and I would often visit him. I am a BYU grad.
I just can't get used to BYU-Idaho . . . being a Ricks College grad myself.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:55:24am |
re: #883 HoosierHoops
Pathetic Walter...
Hey how the heck are you this morning? You're up early!
Fine. Shameless self-promotion. Links to 3 pics from our McGuinn concert. For the guitars lovers out there, check out the Rick 360/12. That's an electric 12 string, notice the extra tuning pegs toward the back of the head.
Oh, and that's me next to McGuinn, on his left.
Image: McGuinn_concert_081109_118.jpg
Image: McGuinn_concert_081109_152.jpg
Image: McGuinn_concert_081109_179.jpg
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:55:29am |
re: #1067 MandyManners
Little duckies all getting in a row.
And nothing to hunt them with after they attempt to shred the 2nd Amendment.
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Buck Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:55:38am |
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.
— Henry Van Dyke
Spend any serious time at Kareoke sober, and you might think twice about that.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:56:02am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:56:08am |
re: #1056 Iron Fist
Oh, that would be too amusing! I might even have to shake the Obamanator's hand :-)
I might still have an old Joy Buzzer lying around... I could send it to you.
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Wyatt Earp Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:56:09am |
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:56:24am |
re: #1048 Occasional Reader
Iron Fist has been tapped for the Obama administration?!
Say it ain't so, IF!
But, he likes his new, silk glove.
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JustMyView Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:56:25am |
re: #1043 realwest
Well given that her current paycheck is bigger than a Senators paycheck ($350,000 vs $181,000) she ought to pay for her own damn clothes. And everything else.
If you say so. But, for the record, she's been on an unpaid leave since the beginning of the campaign.
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jcm Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:56:50am |
re: #1073 pre-Boomer Marine brat
AUUUGGGHHH!
However if you click anyone of those selections the computer boots normally...
I not a complete bastard.
For that I set your desktop to white, folders to white, text to white, highlight to white...
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Bumr50 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:57:01am |
The next Treasury chief had darn well better understand the significance of their position, realize that ALL Americans are looking to them, and be able to articulate their actions to the general public.
Paulson talks like he's giving a closed door briefing or an inside sales pitch. He then allows the various media to dissemble what he said.
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3 wood Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:57:28am |
re: #1022 freedombilly
Does this mean the Cubs might actually win the World Series next year?
Now don't get carried away.
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:57:36am |
re: #969 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! That is absolutely DISGUSTING.
Totally beyond the pale. I couldn't even watch the entire one minute of it, but whoever made it ought to be taken out and [deleted] [deleted] until their internal organs look like [deleted] and [deleted].
Besides, I thought gays were (rightfully, btw) blaming Obama's mainstay of Black supporters for that defeat of the California Gay Marriage proposition (which I have NO DOUBT the California legislature will find some way around)?!
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MandyManners Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:57:43am |
re: #1079 freedombilly
And nothing to hunt them with after they attempt to shred the 2nd Amendment.
Boycotts still work.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:58:16am |
re: #1052 vxbush
Fantastic! With your permission (and with attribution, of course) I'd like to throw that at goddessoftheclassroom!
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joncelli Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:58:27am |
re: #804 red satellite
[snifff] That brought a tear to my eye, man. Daddy's little AR-toting girl [snifff]
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:58:33am |
Will Obama keep Gates as Sec Def?
The decision on retaining Mr. Gates will be the clearest indication to date of the incoming administration's thinking about Iraq and Afghanistan.
If he does keep Gates, Obama will be pressed by his moonbat base to throw them something in return.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:58:44am |
re: #1068 Kenneth
Hey, real!
Speaking of regional accents, where & when did Michelle loose her South Chicago twang? That ain't exactly an East Coast elite way of talking...
They hired 'enry 'iggins to fashion her into a lady.
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freedombilly Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:59:01am |
re: #1093 MandyManners
Boycotts still work.
Am I allowed to boycott the forced, government supervised community service?
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DistantThunder Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:59:16am |
re: #1062 bosforus
Yeah, something like that. Members are also encouraged to have a 6 month supply of food "just in case".
For decades it has been a year's supply - which is what we have for 8 people in our basement. The storehouses are located around the country, and part of it operates as a welfare destination for people who need food. Individuals and congregations can also use the canning equipment to can large quantities of dry goods like beans, wheat etc. for home storage. Now there are ham radio installations in each storehouse, and we have all been told to get our ham radios - so that in the event of a local or national emergency we can communicate with out local leaders and our national leadership.
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vxbush Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:59:36am |
re: #1096 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Fantastic! With your permission (and with attribution, of course) I'd like to throw that at goddessoftheclassroom!
Oh, yes! Of course! I think she will greatly appreciate it. I got it from my daughter, so let's spread the love around!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:00:09am |
re: #1099 Occasional Reader
They hired 'enry 'iggins to fashion her into a lady.
And who was working with Barak during the campaign... 'ames 'arville?
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Dirk Diggler Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:00:31am |
Here's something to get your blood boiling. Apparently even the bailout is going broke...
When the government said it would spend $700 billion to rescue the nation’s financial industry, it seemed to be an ocean of money. But after one of the biggest lobbying free-for-alls in memory, it suddenly looks like a dwindling pool...
...Of the initial $350 billion that Congress freed up, out of the $700 billion in bailout money contained in the law that passed last month, the Treasury Department has committed all but $60 billion. The shrinking pie — and the growing uncertainty over who qualifies — has thrown Washington’s legal and lobbying establishment into a mad scramble.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:01:24am |
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:01:52am |
re: #1019 jcm
Hey JCM! Nope it means all the lefty s.o.b.'s are afraid of those returning vets - when they are out from under the UCMJ, I have a feeling a LOT of people on the far left are going to be really, ah, UPSET.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:01:54am |
off to the first thread of the new day --->
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bosforus Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:01:56am |
re: #1101 DistantThunder
For decades it has been a year's supply
Guess that tells ya how much food storage I have, dont' even know how much to get! :) Thanks.
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The Hoopster Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:02:05am |
re: #1078 Walter L. Newton
Fine. Shameless self-promotion. Links to 3 pics from our McGuinn concert. For the guitars lovers out there, check out the Rick 360/12. That's an electric 12 string, notice the extra tuning pegs toward the back of the head.
Oh, and that's me next to McGuinn, on his left.
[Link: home.comcast.net...]
[Link: home.comcast.net...]
[Link: home.comcast.net...]
I'll bet a million bucks that's the same guitar used to record 'turn turn turn' How old is roger now..Is he on Social Security or something and needs a little work?
*ducking*
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realwest Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:02:45am |
Well all y'all I gotta go - chores and all that!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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Ledger1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:04:48am |
re: #895 galloping granny
GG here is an up-date on irregularities in the voting system. I am beginning to mistrust the whole voting system.
re: #575
Numbers:
Vermont
McCain: 96,458 (est)
Obama: 203,952 (counted)
Nader: 3,071 (est)
Barr:991 (est)
Baldwin 521 (est)
[GG]
You know, that is pretty darned fishy. The population of Vermont ...in 2006 was a mere 623,908, with a growth of less than 20,000 individuals between 2006 and 2000...that 2006 figure is about right. Now, nobody under 18 can vote at all. The US Census bureau says that 21.4% of our population was under age 18 in 2006. That leaves 490,392 people of voting age in the state of Vermont.
I find that pretty darned hard to believe. And it would be substantially above any voter turn out in recent history
I am calling voting BS. Here is a microscopic views into the confused elections system involving Minnesota’s system.
[PL]
Norm Coleman retains a 206-vote margin over Al Franken in the race for Minnesota's senate seat. The mandatory recount will begin next week.
Two of our readers who served as election judges in Hennepin County... have reported that election results were not transmitted electronically from precincts on election night. Rather, results were transported by car to City Hall. This departs from the customary procedure in Hennepin County... Our reader comments:
The State invested in voting machines with modems to transmit results... they chose not to follow that procedure... ...
JOHN adds: So far, we haven't been able to verify that the automatic electronic upload system was working anywhere in Minnesota... it couldn't have been working in either Mountain Iron or Partridge Township...
What’s Happening in Minnesota? Part 6
As of this morning, Norm Coleman leads Al Franken by 206 votes...The mandatory recount is to begin next week.
Hennepin County includes the city of Minneapolis... One of our readers served as an election judge... for a precinct in Hennepin County and writes to reiterate a point we have previously noted:
As "machine judge" it was my duty to set up and take down the voting machine. I still find it very surprising that there has been no attention to the issue pertaining to problems with transmitting the election results in Hennepin county. I followed up with other city authorities and confirmed what I had heard.
The way the process is to work is that the voting machine or optical scanner is set up in the morning and a tape is run that is left in the machine showing a zero sum total for all the candidates. The polls are then opened and the ballots are fed in throughout the day. There is a counter on the machine which shows how many ballots have been counted, so that a comparison to the number of ballots used can be made. At the end of the day, the polling location is closed, and the absentee ballots are then addressed and fed into the machine. Once all this is done, we must close out the totals.There is a modem in each of the voting machines which can dial up the county and send the results before the official tape is printed within the machine. This offers a level of security as the results are now off site, and the Official Tape with the totals is still at the precinct...on election night was Hennepin County set up the wrong IP address for all the machines in the county.There was no way to transmit the results...Instead all the precinct's needed to pull the electronic cards out of the machine, along with the tape, and head to City Hall ...This means that one person had all the voting results and ballots in their possession... it certainly dropped the level of security .
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:04:50am |
re: #1111 HoosierHoops
I'll bet a million bucks that's the same guitar used to record 'turn turn turn' How old is roger now..Is he on Social Security or something and needs a little work?
*ducking*
He's 66, and he is not void of work. His made 10 grand for two nights in a 136 seat venue. And he has 6 more engagements in the next 4 weeks. I don't think he is hurting.
He prefers the small intimate venues although he has no problem filling a thousand seat room.
His show is very homey and talky, going through his history in the music business.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:05:40am |
re: #1104 Iron Fist
Gates helped turn things around in Iraq, where he opposes a withrdawal timetable. Now he & Petraeus are re-focusing on Afghanistan. Obama can still step in a screw it all up, but if he keeps Gates it's a sign he's not insane.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:06:41am |
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NoSubmission Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:08:06am |
A day late, but here's my Veterans Day Parade photo report!
Thanks to all our brave vets!
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sandspur Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:12:48am |
re: #900 DistantThunder
Hey raw - Mr DT is in BelAir and sailing today to Catalina Island with a client. I am in the politically frigid NE where our dear leader Gov Corzine the Tax Nazi just informed us above the fold - NO TAX REBATES FOR YOU!
I can't wait to not vote for him again.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:15:42am |
re: #1114 Ledger1
Ledger1, I made another post after that one but you had probably already left. This is the jist of my comment:
Look at those results you gave me for VT - Obamas are "counted" but everyone else's are "estimated." Now, that might be fine with paper ballots, but we use VOTING MACHINES. And voting machines work much like a cash register at the grocery store does. Everything gets recorded in the computer and when you want the results you turn the key, type in a code and get a printout of the results by category - in this case, exact numbers for each of the candidates. From there it is a simple matter of adding up the results from each machine. There sure as hell should be no difference in counting v. estimated, because McCain's numbers would have been spit out at the same time as the machine spit out Obamas.
Weren't the Dems all in a huge roar some months back about the insecurity of the voting machines leading to the potential for massive voter fraud? And isn't one of Obama's biggest supporters someone who controls one of the voting machine companies?
Something like the outrage over his passport records being accessed - when it turned out that all the other candidates were too, by one of his supporter's employees.
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Kenneth Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:15:49am |
re: #1118 Iron Fist
Hah! A small step. But if Obama does replace Gates right away, it's a sure sign he's determined to throw away the hard fought victory in Iraq.
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Empire1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 8:51:56am |
re: #991 quickredfox
I'm using the water-mixable oils and like them a lot, after getting back into painting after having not done much for awhile. Earlier I had used the regular oils. Clean-up is so much nicer now. There is some kind of subtle difference in the handling that I can't quite describe, but they are very, very close. One can even mix in a little of the regular oils to blend colors, so long as not too much of the regular oils are mixed in. Because of the mess with regular oils I had considered trying acrylics, but they just didn't work for me, and I like the rich look of oils. (I do paintings of animals). At the art store where I bought mine, the price wasn't notably more expensive than the regular oils.
Thank you -- that is exactly what I needed to know. :) I'm not too worried about a minor handling difference, since it's been so long that I have to re-learn anyhow! I'm not that thrilled with acrylics either -- they just don't feel or look right. I'm doing an animal painting now, as a matter of fact, using my leftovers -- the head of an Arabian mare (I love Arabian horses!). Not too bad, but it's obvious I'm out of practice. ::sigh::
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Irish Rose Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:00:51am |
Good morning lizards! Irish Stinkweed the Obama ass-kisser, stopping by to say good morning to you all before I head off to work.
Sheesh.
This place is an island of sanity in a world gone mad.
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Ledger1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:04:05am |
re: #1121 galloping granny
Yes, there are some irregularities in electronic voting and other data bases.
There seems to be a complete break down of electronic voting in Minnesota.
As for the point of estimates, I understand that when a precinct reaches a certain estimated threshold where one candidate has got enough votes "to win," the other candidate is deemed to be “numerically impossible” to win - the counting of votes stops. Thus, there is an uncounted portion of the candidate’s votes and a counted portion – putting the two together equals an estimate.
Another way of looking at it would be two candidates have an estimated “eligible voter pool.” Once the first candidate reaches 51% of that “eligible voter pool” and is declared the winner. The other candidate’s amount of votes is derived from that "eligible voter pool" number by subtraction. The actual count is not known for weeks or months after the election.
In CA that has happen. Many people complain that there votes where not counted which authorities admit it is true – because it is useless to spend time counting ballots of a known loser. The main reason most ballots get counted in some circumstances is when there is a “hot ballot” issue that requires all of the ballots to be counted.
When, a candidate concedes, it is unclear whether the counting of his ballots continues.
The voting system is far from perfect and subject to manipulation.
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Ledger1 Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:16:48am |
re: #1121 galloping granny
And voting machines work much like a cash register at the grocery store does. Everything gets recorded in the computer and when you want the results you turn the key, type in a code and get a printout of the results by category - in this case, exact numbers for each of the candidates. –GG
That is an interesting analogy.
I forgot my main point. Here it is.
Grocery stores use electronic debit and credit accounting systems where all items and sales are balanced. Banks also uses electronic debit and credit accounting systems where all debits and credits balance... (except when Barney Frank is manipulating Fannie Mae).
Electronic voting machines do not use debit and credit accounting and the totals frequently don’t come close to balancing. That is where the estimates come in.
Grocery store accounting systems are different from electronic voting machines.
OK, I got to go to work.
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galloping granny Wed, Nov 12, 2008 9:27:30am |
re: #1126 Ledger1
And voting machines work much like a cash register at the grocery store does. Everything gets recorded in the computer and when you want the results you turn the key, type in a code and get a printout of the results by category - in this case, exact numbers for each of the candidates. –GG
That is an interesting analogy.
I forgot my main point. Here it is.
Grocery stores use electronic debit and credit accounting systems where all items and sales are balanced. Banks also uses electronic debit and credit accounting systems where all debits and credits balance... (except when Barney Frank is manipulating Fannie Mae).
Electronic voting machines do not use debit and credit accounting and the totals frequently don’t come close to balancing. That is where the estimates come in.
Grocery store accounting systems are different from electronic voting machines.
OK, I got to go to work.
Nope, the older ones do only this: say you have a key the cashier is supposed to push every time a pack of cigarettes is sold. When you get the print out the results for that key give the total of cigarette sales. No debits, credits or ATMs involved. Just a categorization of data. Just like voting machines.
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