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Open | Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:08:07 pm PST

The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.

Henry Van Dyke

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1 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:12:06pm

What if we cut down all the trees?

2 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:02pm

Pardon me lizards, is this the 11:08 thread to nowhere in particular?

3 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:16pm

I almost forgot my traditional Veteran's day post.

I still have a little time since I'm on the west coast.

In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
In Flanders Fields the poppies grow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

4 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:52pm

re: #2 Fenway_Nation

Pardon me lizards, is this the 11:08 thread to nowhere in particular?

Albuquerque isn't it? Midnight express?

5 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:14:52pm

re: #1 logboy

What if we cut down all the trees?

Earth First! Log the other planets later.

6 RTLM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:16:04pm

And - another Star Trek motion picture.

LINK

7 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:16:23pm

re: #3 JCM

I almost forgot my traditional Veteran's day post.

I still have a little time since I'm on the west coast.

In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
In Flanders Fields the poppies grow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

That's an excellent one. I put that one on my site yesterday. That and "A Pittance of Time", another favorite.

8 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:17:47pm

re: #5 JCM

Earth First! Log the other planets later.

Q: How many loggers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They can't do it, the light will disturb the spotted owls

9 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:17:58pm
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.


eh. The hawks, owls, and stray cats will get the noisy birds anyway.

10 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:20:35pm

re: #8 logboy

Q: How many loggers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They can't do it, the light will disturb the spotted owls

Down here we have to "worry" about the cockaded woodpecker. Entire areas of the training areas are closed off because of these damn birds. The environmentalists say it is because they only nest in older growth and all the older growth around here is all on the Army base. I had a cockaded woodpecker living in the tree over my house down here and it nested and bred quite well thank you.

11 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:20:45pm

re: #8 logboy

Q: How many loggers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They can't do it, the light will disturb the spotted owls

I loved the bumper stickers we had on logging trucks around here.

SPOTTED OWL MOBILE HOME

12 Mel Lono  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:21:18pm

Collective Intelligence

I say let's get ahead of curve and ...........as my mom used to say "use it or lose it:"
Move along, nothing to see here/

13 wiffersnapper  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:21:37pm

Spread the sound around.

14 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:21:56pm

re: #11 JCM

I loved the bumper stickers we had on logging trucks around here.

SPOTTED OWL MOBILE HOME

Are them "stick trucks" as dangerous there as they are here? They get paid by the load so they tend to haul ass every where they go.

15 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:22:04pm

Speaking of Veteran's Day, I wrote a post on my blog called "Coping" when I was a patient at Walter Reed. The post was later picked up and published in the book "The Sandbox" by Gary Trudeau. Here's a small tidbit.

Now I’m struggling with the mentality that I’m just a one-armed, four-fingered gimp. I have sharp memories of the accident that haunt me every day; the sudden explosion, the taste of blood in my mouth, realizing the bottom half of my arm was missing with nothing left but a couple of fingers and part of my hand hanging off by some skin and tendons, and then realizing how much pain I was in. All I could do was hold the end of my blown-off right arm with my shrapnel-filled left hand and wait for the medic to arrive and put a tourniquet on. The most terrifying part of the memories is constantly remembering my gunner screaming and then looking down and realizing my arm was nothing more than some ragged meat and two bones sticking out.

Here is the whole thing.

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:23:23pm

re: #2 Fenway_Nation

Pardon me lizards, is this the 11:08 thread to nowhere in particular?

Why you axing me? Do I look like a frikkin' travel agent?

17 Rancher  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:23:42pm

The woods would be very silent if you were deaf.

Dick Van Dyke

18 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:24:31pm

re: #10 Outrider

Down here we have to "worry" about the cockaded woodpecker. Entire areas of the training areas are closed off because of these damn birds. The environmentalists say it is because they only nest in older growth and all the older growth around here is all on the Army base. I had a cockaded woodpecker living in the tree over my house down here and it nested and bred quite well thank you.

I know! We had those feckin white banded trees all over Ft Benning that we couldn't go near because of the "Red Headed Cock Sucking Woodpecker" (as my Drill Sergeants so affectionately called them).

19 tobor  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:25:10pm

I owe my life and my family's existence to the US armed forces. Long ago, far away from here in a long forgotten town, a group of American men put their lives on the line to save my grandfather and grandmother.

Saying thank you seems not enough.

Let our saved lives be their gift, let our voices sing there praises for eternity.

20 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:00pm

re: #14 Outrider

Are them "stick trucks" as dangerous there as they are here? They get paid by the load so they tend to haul ass every where they go.

WA State law requires by the hour, a series of nasty wreaks with dump trucks paid by the load change it years ago. Loggers tend to be a bit cash strapped so the maintenance on the rigs can be a little shaky. Also for some reason a lot of outfits hire drivers with problem records.

21 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:06pm

Egyptian Lawmaker: Sexually Assault Female Jews Out Of Israel

"its a new form of resistance!"

22 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:10pm

re: #10 Outrider

re: #18 logboy


Same with Ft. Stewart. Can't bee too threatened of a species if they're found in a pretty wide swath of the state of Georgia.

23 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:26:31pm

re: #15 logboy

Thanks so much for your service, logboy!

24 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:27:34pm

re: #18 logboy

I know! We had those feckin white banded trees all over Ft Benning that we couldn't go near because of the "Red Headed Cock Sucking Woodpecker" (as my Drill Sergeants so affectionately called them).

same same. Fort Stewart here. And the whole thing is a farce.

I'm thinking all those environmental activists in college in the 60/70s are now on the government payroll at every military post. They create more havoc with field training than any amount of weather or budget cuts.

25 Intrepid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:28:33pm

Overnight Open Thread! SANCTUARY!

26 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:29:25pm

re: #20 JCM

WA State law requires by the hour, a series of nasty wreaks with dump trucks paid by the load change it years ago. Loggers tend to be a bit cash strapped so the maintenance on the rigs can be a little shaky. Also for some reason a lot of outfits hire drivers with problem records.

We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol

27 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:30:10pm

I think I shall never see
A billboard lovely as a tree
Perhaps, unless the billboards fall
I shall never see a tree at all.

-Ogden Nash

28 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:30:29pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

re: #18 logboy


Same with Ft. Stewart. Can't bee too threatened of a species if they're found in a pretty wide swath of the state of Georgia.

Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.

29 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:30:36pm

re: #22 Fenway_Nation

re: #18 logboy


Same with Ft. Stewart. Can't bee too threatened of a species if they're found in a pretty wide swath of the state of Georgia.

just more environmentalists creating an issue out of a non issue. And getting paid for it.

30 Dustyvet  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:31:02pm

re: #1 logboy

What if we cut down all the trees?

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They took all the trees
Put em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see em
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Hey farmer farmer
Put away that d.d.t. now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man
Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

31 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:31:30pm

re: #26 Outrider

We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol

Weyerhaeuser is big here, they do a real good job with there rigs, very professional. It's the little guys to watch our for.

32 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:31:56pm

re: #26 Outrider

We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol

I hate it when people drop logs on the interstate. Don't care much for them that drop trees, either.

33 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:32:01pm

re: #21 WrathofG-d

Egyptian Lawmaker: Sexually Assault Female Jews Out Of Israel

"its a new form of resistance!"

It's already happened a number of times in northern Israel.

The "women" are usually around 13 years old and they have been raped.

It seems that the Israeli police are doing more to protect the women in northern Israel now, though, since these incidents seem to have been stopped.

What a bunch of low-life creeps:

"No. Sexual harassment… In my view, the [Israeli women] do not have any right to respond. The resistance fighters would not initiate such a thing, because their moral values are much loftier than that. However, if such a thing did happen to them, the [Israeli women] have no right to make any demands, because this would put us on equal terms – leave the land so we won't rape you. These two things are equal," she said.

Al-Imam added that she did not want "young Arab men to be interrogated," but rather, she wanted "these Zionist girls with Israeli citizenship to be expelled from our Arab countries. This is a form of resistance, and a way of rejecting their presence."

34 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:32:02pm

re: #21 WrathofG-d

Egyptian Lawmaker: Sexually Assault Female Jews Out Of Israel

"its a new form of resistance!"

Didn't we see something like this a year or two back with mobs of Egyptians assaulting females on the street?

35 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:32:13pm

re: #26 Outrider

We have Georgia/Pacific paper just down the road, so we get lots of the stick trucks. Gets real exciting when the load wasn't secured properly and the logs slide out on the Interstate. lol

They're not too bad here in NW WI. We have a huge Louisiana Pacific OSB plant here, and a ton of other paper and sawmills around. The state DOT keeps them on their toes.

36 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:01pm

re: #8 logboy

re: #26 Outrider

re: #20 JCM


Anyone here see the History Channel's Ax Men?

37 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:11pm

re: #31 JCM

What? You mean the guys on "Ax Men" aren't that competent? Mercy.//

38 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:29pm

Morning Adina.

39 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:34pm

re: #3 JCM
Rendevous

I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
I have a rendezvous with Death
At some disputed barricade,
When Spring comes back with rustling shade
And apple-blossoms fill the air--
I have a rendezvous with Death
When Spring brings back blue days and fair.

It may be he shall take my hand
And lead me into his dark land
And close my eyes and quench my breath--
It may be I shall pass him still.
I have a rendezvous with Death
On some scarred slope of battered hill,
When Spring comes round again this year
And the first meadow-flowers appear.

God knows 'twere better to be deep
Pillowed in silk and scented down,
Where love throbs out in blissful sleep,
Pulse nigh to pulse, and breath to breath,
Where hushed awakenings are dear . . .
But I've a rendezvous with Death
At midnight in some flaming town,
When Spring trips north again this year,
And I to my pledged word am true,
I shall not fail that rendezvous.

40 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:33:45pm

re: #34 Outrider

Didn't we see something like this a year or two back with mobs of Egyptians assaulting females on the street?

You're thinking Mardi Gras. Perfectly normal.///

41 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:21pm

re: #36 Fenway_Nation

re: #26 Outrider

re: #20 JCM


Anyone here see the History Channel's Ax Men?


Yup. You know you're talking to a professional log roller here?

42 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:45pm

re: #36 Fenway_Nation

re: #26 Outrider

re: #20 JCM


Anyone here see the History Channel's Ax Men?

Rabbit ear TV....

43 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:47pm

re: #36 Fenway_Nation

re: #26 Outrider

re: #20 JCM


Anyone here see the History Channel's Ax Men?

The them to which should have been Monty Python's "Lumberjack" song.

44 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:49pm

re: #28 logboy

Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.

I retired in Oct 93. So we were still off the previous year budget until I retired. I missed all the crap of the Clinton years. It wasn't as bad as the Carter years though from talking to my neighbors. I still live around Ft Stewart.

45 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:50pm

Evening/morning all. Night shift finally checking in. Saw a sad sight today. At the City Hall ceremonies the veterans marched by as usual. There couldn't have been more than 30 of them from WWII. A far cry from when I first started going to them back in the early 80's.

46 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:34:56pm

re: #41 logboy

Hence the name.

47 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:35:24pm

re: #43 calcajun

The them to which should have been Monty Python's "Lumberjack" song.

PIMF-- The "theme".... a thousand pardons

48 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:35:46pm

re: #44 Outrider


Live Oak? Richmond Hill? Hineysville?

49 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:36:14pm

re: #37 calcajun

What? You mean the guys on "Ax Men" aren't that competent? Mercy.//

LOL, nope not all. Just some of 'em. The big guys have been in business long enough to figured out the safety / liability thing.

50 I heart the USA  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:36:26pm

re: #15 logboy

I am at a loss for words other than to offer a wholly inadequate, but with-all-my-heart, 'thank you'.

51 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:36:46pm

re: #39 redc1c4

Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have set us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!

But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.

I shot him dead because—
Because he was my foe,
Just so: my foe of course he was;
That's clear enough; although

He thought he'd 'list, perhaps,
Off-hand like—just as I—
Was out of work—had sold his traps—
No other reason why.

Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You'd treat, if met where any bar is,
Or help to half a crown.

Thomas Hardy

52 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:01pm

re: #32 calcajun

I hate it when people drop logs on the interstate. Don't care much for them that drop trees, either.

If it wasn't for Georgia-Pacific and Weyerhouser there would be precious few trees around here. We would see the entire Coastal Georgia as solid strip malls, industry, and tract housing. Those companies own miles and miles; planting fast growing pines that are harvested rotationally every five years.

53 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:09pm

re: #33 Adina in Judea

This is just another situation where individuals are lucky that Wrath is not P.M. of Israel.

Raping, or otherwise sexually assaulting Jewish girls does not go over well with me.

I'd probably impose stricter sentences (ie: banishment, or worse) then I would for Terrorism.

54 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:16pm

Setting up a new computer to be the way I want it is quite the arduous task.

55 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:29pm

re: #34 Outrider

Yes. During some holiday if I recall correctly.

56 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:37:42pm

"Due to logging regulations, we are no longer able to supply you with trees for toilet paper. We suggest you start wiping your ass with a spotted owl."

57 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:38:01pm

re: #25 Intrepid

Overnight Open Thread! SANCTUARY!

At least it will be now. ;)

58 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:38:20pm

re: #35 logboy

They're not too bad here in NW WI. We have a huge Louisiana Pacific OSB plant here, and a ton of other paper and sawmills around. The state DOT keeps them on their toes.

The DOT white enforcement cars do a fair job. But we have a lot of little road that bypass the major routes they can and do take.

59 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:38:22pm

re: #15 logboy

Thank you and God Bless you.

60 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:38:43pm

re: #28 logboy

Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.

We had the same problems up here during the Liberal years of Trudeau and his ilk. We subsituted "Bang, bang" with " Budget Cut, Budget Cut".

/never seemed to go over that well with the Orficers for some reason.

61 JCM  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:39:04pm

G'night all, tis late the house work is done, and morning comes early.

To all the vets.

Thank you.

62 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:40:02pm

re: #48 Fenway_Nation

Live Oak? Richmond Hill? Hineysville?

Richmond Hill. Couldn't pay me enough to live in Hinesville. lol

63 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:40:34pm

One of my favorite songs that we play at all the lumberjack competitions:

The Frozen Logger

64 Stonemason  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:41:23pm

re: #15 logboy

Words can't...

Yes they can:

Thank you.

65 Intrepid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:41:40pm
66 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:41:51pm

To all vets - thank you from me, too!

67 JeremiahRight  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:41:59pm

re: #15 logboy

Wow. I cannot put into words the feeling other than
Thank You
from me and my family
I had no idea

68 Stonemason  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:42:02pm

re: #56 logboy

Now that's funny!

69 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:42:15pm
70 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:42:39pm

Frozen Logger Lyrics

As I sat down one evening within a small cafe,
A forty year old waitress to me these words did say:

"I see that you are a logger, and not just a common bum,
'Cause nobody but a logger stirs his coffee with is thumb.

My lover was a logger, there's none like him today;
If you'd pour whiskey on it he could eat a bale of hay

He never shaved his whiskers from off of his horny hide;
He'd just drive them in with a hammer and bite them off inside.

My lover came to see me upon one freezing day;
He held me in his fond embrace which broke three vertebrae.

He kissed me when we parted, so hard that he broke my jaw;
I could not speak to tell him he'd forgot his mackinaw.
I saw my lover leaving, sauntering through the snow,
Going gaily homeward at forty-eight below.

The weather it tried to freeze him, it tried its level best;
At a hundred degrees below zero, he buttoned up his vest.

It froze clean through to China, it froze to the stars above;
At a thousand degrees below zero, it froze my logger love.

They tried in vain to thaw him, and would you believe me, sir
They made him into axeblades, to chop the Douglas fir.

And so I lost my lover, and to this cafe I come,
And here I wait till someone stirs his coffee with his thumb."

71 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:43:01pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

We had the same problems up here during the Liberal years of Trudeau and his ilk. We subsituted "Bang, bang" with " Budget Cut, Budget Cut".

/never seemed to go over that well with the Orficers for some reason.

I'll bet in private they agreed and were laughing their asses off at the antics. ;-)> I know as a 1SG, I would chew someones butt, and later me and the other 1SGs or the Cdr would swap stories about things like it. lol

72 calcajun  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:43:24pm

re: #52 Outrider

If it wasn't for Georgia-Pacific and Weyerhouser there would be precious few trees around here. We would see the entire Coastal Georgia as solid strip malls, industry, and tract housing. Those companies own miles and miles; planting fast growing pines that are harvested rotationally every five years.

Sorry. I meant it to be a funny. Forgot the sarc tag.

I have no beef with anyone in the forestry industries. I know about re-plants and harvesting. Drive through Mississippi and Louisiana and you see the swaths of pine stands waiting to be be harvested--they're industries which provide thousands of jobs and put food on the table for many more. No offense meant.

73 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:43:45pm

Are they even doing much logging in WI? I thought paper valley was facing rough times.

74 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:44:01pm

re: #28 logboy

re: #60 BlueCanuck

We (an infantry company) went to the range to qualify with the SAW's one afternoon. The finance company that came in behind us were using M60s, which many of the NCOs were quite nostalgic for.

Couldn't believe that the accountants were better armed than the infanrty.

/Still- the NCO's wanted to make sure we didn't return any live ammo. There's something cathartic about firing off a 250+ round belt...even if we had to wait awhile for the barrel to cool

75 I heart the USA  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:44:18pm

re: #69 WrathofG-d

Lohan: First "colored(?)" president?

whadshesay?

At least she didn't ask a guy in a wheelchair to stand up and take a bow...
:-D

76 Adina in Judea  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:44:26pm

Weet dreams!

77 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:45:16pm

re: #63 logboy

One of my favorite songs that we play at all the lumberjack competitions:

The Frozen Logger

Here's a Canadian song that is an oldy and goldy. The Log Drivers Waltz.

78 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:45:44pm

Another favorite:

Johnny Cash, Lumberjack

79 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:46:00pm

re: #72 calcajun

Sorry. I meant it to be a funny. Forgot the sarc tag.

I have no beef with anyone in the forestry industries. I know about re-plants and harvesting. Drive through Mississippi and Louisiana and you see the swaths of pine stands waiting to be be harvested--they're industries which provide thousands of jobs and put food on the table for many more. No offense meant.

Oh, none taken! Sometimes some people just don't realize how the paper industry works. I've got into the habit of explaining it to the tourists. Sorry about that ;-)>

80 nightwatch  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:46:52pm

Should I be good now?

81 shiplord kirel  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:47:02pm

re: #69 WrathofG-d

Lohan: First "colored(?)" president?

whadshesay?

Isn't she one of those Hollywood strumpets who stopped wearing panties when they heard that California law requires public utilities to be open for inspection at all times?

82 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:47:39pm

re: #81 shiplord kirel

Yea, maybe she is just bitter that Prop 8 passed.

83 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:48:17pm

Oh for gawds sake, who cares what Lindsay Lohan said.
O-_________ dissed her way back before the election.
Get he some rehab, stat!

84 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:48:21pm

re: #82 WrathofG-d


What is there for her to cling to besides her skankiness?

85 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:48:26pm

re: #28 logboy

Its just another ploy by the dems to screw the Military. If it were up to them we'd be fighting with rocks and sling shots. I've talked quite a bit to guys in the Army through the Clinton years. They didn't even have money for blanks, so on every training mission they were running around the woods yelling "bang! bang! bang!" They saw live ammo once a year to qualify, that was it.

in the Guard it got stupider than that. you'd drive up one month cause you had the fuel. but no ammo, and the next month, you'd stay home with ammo but no fuel, and all because no one wanted to report that they couldn't do what they were told, so they lied on the reports to higher.

86 Intrepid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:50:41pm

Anthem for the Obama administration after the first year....

Sing it, Patsy!

87 Outrider  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:50:43pm
88 nightwatch  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:50:49pm

re: #65 Intrepid


Blink.......Blink

89 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:50:56pm

She used to be pretty nice looking, too bad not so much anymore.

90 logboy  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:51:51pm

re: #73 Sharmuta

Are they even doing much logging in WI? I thought paper valley was facing rough times.

No way... the towns up here were created by logging, every one of them. The lumber cut here from the giant White Pine built the large cities of Milwaukee and Chicago in the late 1800s. Logging is still very much alive in these parts, and is one of the few industries supplying jobs. Farms went by the wayside long ago. There are still paper mills around Duluth, Superior and spread around northern WI.

91 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:52:10pm

re: #89 WrathofG-d

She used to be pretty nice looking, too bad not so much anymore.

I guess all that clean living didn't agree with her, eh?

////

92 Intrepid  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:52:18pm

re: #88 nightwatch

Blink.......Blink

What? (said what a long "aaahhh")

93 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:52:58pm

re: #74 Fenway_Nation

re: #60 BlueCanuck

We (an infantry company) went to the range to qualify with the SAW's one afternoon. The finance company that came in behind us were using M60s, which many of the NCOs were quite nostalgic for.

Couldn't believe that the accountants were better armed than the infanrty.

/Still- the NCO's wanted to make sure we didn't return any live ammo. There's something cathartic about firing off a 250+ round belt...even if we had to wait awhile for the barrel to cool

that's what 30 weight is for.... since they don't make LSA anymore....

GUNS UP!

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:54:57pm

re: #88 nightwatch

Blink.......Blink

POKE! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

95 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 11, 2008 11:58:49pm

the best thing about firing a 50 cal at night is that if the barrel gets hot enough, you can see the projo going down range......

well, that and the damage it does to a target..... %-)

96 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:00:02am

re: #10 Outrider

The spotted owl only nests in old growth forests. And Wallmart signs.

97 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:00:50am

Can you hot swap barrels on the M60? You can on the 240B, its replacement.

98 flutesnoot  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:00:53am

Charles, could one get around the "first" rule by asking for the last name of the actor who played Kent "Flounder" Dorfman in Animal House? Has this been tried?

99 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:01:38am

re: #91 FurryOldGuyJeans

yea not so much.

100 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:01:58am

re: #98 flutesnoot

Now you let the cat out of the bag, and since you have we won't be able to get away with it.

*whack*

101 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:02:10am

re: #98 flutesnoot

C"I"J doesn't stay up this late me no thinks

102 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:02:27am

Hi, {Blue}

103 Outrider  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:02:50am

re: #96 Rancher

The spotted owl only nests in old growth forests. And Wallmart signs.

I don't pretend to know a lot about these birds, but from my observations, these birds seem to nest nigh on any where they want no matter what we humans do.

104 Mel Lono  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:03:37am

I'm a LumberJack...

You knew it was coming..

105 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:03:46am
106 miguelj  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:03:51am

In Africa news: the govt of Rwanda has issued arrest warrants for the entire former leadership of France on charges of complicity in genocide. Balladur, Juppe, deVillepin, the whole rotten crew. Well done, Rwanda! Of course they won't be extradited (darn!) but at least it will embarrass those salauds.

107 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:05:41am

Morning {Sharm}, how you doing today?

108 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:06:17am

re: #104 Mel Lono

I'm a LumberJack...

You knew it was coming..


Bastards! I was doing a lumberjack show in Georgia a few years ago. We ended up singing that at 6am for "Good Morning Atlanta". I refused to sing it ever again.

109 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:07:03am

re: #106 miguelj

Salauds, French for what?

110 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:07:09am

Sharmuta - you still here?

111 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:07:23am

ISPs you do NOT want: Xanadoo Wireless Hi-Speed Internet: Wireless it is, high speed it isn't, and it isn't any speed during the 6-8 hours per day that it isn't working. 16 hour a day service rather than 24, no tech support (two chicks in India can't keep up with 100,000 irate customers), dishonest billing practices, so many other problems it would take a week to list them.

NTS-Communications: Tech support droids have master's degrees in excuse making but no computer knowledge at all. E-mail servers down for five days and counting.

112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:07:54am

re: #110 Intrepid

Sharmuta - you still here?

Nah, she's there (points)

113 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:08:30am

re: #106 miguelj

In Africa news: the govt of Rwanda has issued arrest warrants for the entire former leadership of France on charges of complicity in genocide. Balladur, Juppe, deVillepin, the whole rotten crew. Well done, Rwanda! Of course they won't be extradited (darn!) but at least it will embarrass those salauds.


Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."

114 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:01am

re: #112 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, she's there (points)

Heh heh heh.....I need a drink.

115 Dustyvet  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:05am

re: #94 FurryOldGuyJeans

POKE! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

I tried to think, and nothing happened

Curly Howard

116 Mel Lono  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:33am

re: #108 logboy

Bastards! I was doing a lumberjack show in Georgia a few years ago. We ended up singing that at 6am for "Good Morning Atlanta". I refused to sing it ever again.

You have my respect and thanks you rotten SOB!/

117 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:09:59am

re: #115 Dustyvet

I tried to think, and nothing happened

Curly Howard

Hey Moe!

118 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:11:08am

re: #115 Dustyvet

I tried to think, and nothing happened

Curly Howard

Oooh, a Wise Guy!

119 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:12:55am

re: #97 logboy

Can you hot swap barrels on the M60? You can on the 240B, its replacement.

yup.... it just takes one of those bakers gloves, and a bit of practice

120 Dustyvet  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:12:55am

re: #117 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hey Moe!

Ollie: Didn't I just tell you I was going to be married?
Stan: Who to?
Ollie: Why, a woman, of course. Did you ever hear of anyone marrying a man?
Stan: Sure.
Ollie: Who?
Stan: My sister.
Ollie: This is no time for levity

121 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:14:23am
122 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:15:33am

re: #113 logboy

Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."

Then there's General Dallaire, who was pretty shaken and almost broken by what he couldn't do.

123 Dustyvet  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:15:42am

re: #118 Intrepid

Oooh, a Wise Guy!


Oliver: Where is she?
Stan: Maybe she went to the mountains.
Oliver: I'll bet she did. You know she makes me sick.
Stan: Well if she didn't go to the mountains, then Mohammad would have to come here.

124 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:16:05am

Hey Intrepid, what did you mean by this?

You're nuts. Seriously.
That sounds pretty much like "Fool"

It's knowitall christians like you that really crack me up.
You just have to be right.

125 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:17:07am

re: #123 Dustyvet

*WHACK*

Mandy has give us women the power!

126 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:17:38am

re: #110 Intrepid

Yes

127 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:19:36am

re: #124 IslandLibertarian

The Monk Slappy Fight is in the previous thread, not here.

128 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:20:43am

Hey- fighting overnight was last night.

129 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:21:41am

I was overseeing my herd out on the llano when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud towards me. The driver, a young man dressed to the nines, leans out the window and asks me, “If I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd, will you give me a calf?” I figured this would be interesting so I said, “Sure, Why not?” The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone, and surfs to a NASA page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo. The guy then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg , Germany. Within mere seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data is stored. He then accesses a MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response. Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer and finally turns to me and says, “You have exactly 869 cows and calves.”

“That’s right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves,” I said.

I watched this clown select one of my animals and looked on amused as
he stuffed it into the trunk of his car.

Then I asked him, “Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?”

He thought about it for a second and then said, “Okay, why not?”

“You’re a Congressman for the U.S. Government”, I told him.

"Wow! That’s correct,” he exclaimed, “but how did you guess that?”

“No guessing required,” I answered. “You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew, to a question I never asked. You tried to show me how much smarter than me you are; and you don’t know a thing about cows...this is a herd of sheep."

"Now give me back my dog."

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:21:46am

re: #128 Sharmuta

Hey- fighting overnight was last night.

Party pooper! ;)

131 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:21:54am

It's always about remembering and being thankful.

132 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:23:46am

re: #128 Sharmuta

Does that troll-op still have an account?

133 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:23:54am

re: #124 IslandLibertarian

Hey Intrepid, what did you mean by this?

You're nuts. Seriously.
That sounds pretty much like "Fool"

It's knowitall christians like you that really crack me up.
You just have to be right.

Heh - you're bringing this over here? Dude! You are nuts for keeping this issue going. You quoted scripture dedicated to all the "WWJD types", but neglected to quote the scripture in context. I added the context and refuted your argument. Including personal anecdotal info.

And yes, if I am right, I'd like to be noticed as being right. But unlike you, I don't have to be.

Dude. Give it up.

134 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:17am

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

Were it not for the stick I'd say next month you'd be accused of soiling.

135 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:24am

re: #132 BlueCanuck

NO

136 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:48am

re: #127 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Monk Slappy Fight is in the previous thread, not here.

You ever seen one of those westerns where the brawl just keeps crashing through walls?
Sorry 'bout that pardner.

137 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:24:51am

re: #69 WrathofG-d

Lohan: First "colored(?)" president?

whadshesay?

Meet the Obama voter.

138 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:25:31am
139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:26:05am

re: #134 Sharmuta

Were it not for the stick I'd say next month you'd be accused of soiling.

That's never stopped me before. ;)

140 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:26:14am

re: #126 Sharmuta

Yes

Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?

Just want to know if I'm being too sensitive.

141 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:28:01am

re: #132 BlueCanuck

Does that troll-op still have an account?

Nah - Edgar and his buddy JohnDakota got the boot yesterday morning. Check out the last bit of yesterday's overnight thread.

142 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:28:12am

re: #131 BlueCanuck

It's always about remembering and being thankful.

and for all those that just don't have time.....

143 ryannon  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:29:10am

With a hat-tip to Ojoe, here's a view of Pasadena and the Los Angeles Basin from the Towercam at the Mt. Wilson Observatory. Last one out, please turn off the lights:

[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu...]

144 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:30:15am

re: #142 redc1c4

Well, I went to the ceremony for the moment of silence the parading of colours, and the martch of the veterans. After our mayor made his speech I went home. Even had a fly past too. Brought tears to my eyes they did.

145 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:30:24am

re: #113 logboy

Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."

The French were there; we were not. The French knew the internal dynamics; we did not. By the time we got people there, it was all over....military logistics is a real bitch, unfortunately.

Bush 41 cut the military, and Clinton slashed it. Because of that we really couldn't do much about Rwanda.

146 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:33:11am

re: #140 Intrepid

I just took a look. I guess I'd say that if you think you might be being to sensitive, perhaps you are. Today I responded to an email and I guess I was being too sensitive. It happens.

But then, when it comes to my faith, I let a lot roll off my back where other people don't, so I might not be the best judge.

147 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:34:33am

re: #133 Intrepid

Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitive

Oh brother.
You are a piece of work.
I forgive you misunderstanding my attempt to make a WWJD joke.

148 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:37:19am

So- is there early laced fruitcup around here?

149 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:37:38am

re: #146 Sharmuta

I just took a look. I guess I'd say that if you think you might be being to sensitive, perhaps you are. Today I responded to an email and I guess I was being too sensitive. It happens.

But then, when it comes to my faith, I let a lot roll off my back where other people don't, so I might not be the best judge.

Thanks, Shar.

150 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:38:46am

re: #113 logboy

Why not implicate Clinton too? That #$%&*^% did nothing while thousands died. Remember what he said? "We are closely monitoring the situation."

You talked about not having live ammo for training. My husband's a pilot, flies heavies. Around Rwanda time, the percentage of transports that could have made it all the way to Rwanda? um, let's just say that you might have gotten to spend a nice week in the Azores waiting for a new engine or something en route.

151 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:39:49am

re: #149 Intrepid

I know Killgore's offended a lot of people at times. I've never been offended by his comments though. I have faith in God and no one can shake that. If their views are different, then that's what it is, but I know in my heart and soul what I know and no one will change that with words on a blog.

152 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:39:53am

re: #147 IslandLibertarian

Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitive

Oh brother.
You are a piece of work.
I forgive you misunderstanding my attempt to make a WWJD joke.

Good gracious! Do you not understand having another person's perspective? It's called maturity.

Yeesh.

153 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:40:00am
154 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:40:06am

And on that depressing note, I'm off to bed. good night eveyone.

155 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:40:41am

re: #147 IslandLibertarian

Can you go back and check me from the last thread, starting at post #213?
Just want to know if I'm being too sensitive

Oh brother.
You are a piece of work.
I forgive you misunderstanding my attempt to make a WWJD joke.

If it was a JOKE you should have said so!

156 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:08am

re: #145 funky chicken

The French were there; we were not. The French knew the internal dynamics; we did not. By the time we got people there, it was all over....military logistics is a real bitch, unfortunately.

Bush 41 cut the military, and Clinton slashed it. Because of that we really couldn't do much about Rwanda.

that sure sounds convincing.....

i just didn't know we didn't have the 82nd during those years..... musta missed the draw down notice.

want =! can

157 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:25am

re: #155 Intrepid

If it was a JOKE you should have said so!

Other people did try to tell you it was joking and got slapped for their efforts.

158 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:27am

re: #152 Intrepid

Good gracious! Do you not understand having another person's perspective? It's called maturity.

Yeesh.

Maturity is being able to stand up for yourself. Not look for others to back you up.

159 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:43:42am

re: #153 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady. How are you doing today?

/little early aren't you?

160 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:44:22am

re: #145 funky chicken

The French were there; we were not. The French knew the internal dynamics; we did not. By the time we got people there, it was all over....military logistics is a real bitch, unfortunately.

Bush 41 cut the military, and Clinton slashed it. Because of that we really couldn't do much about Rwanda.

Wrong. We could have done something, but we did nothing. I don't buy the "we had an ineffective military" argument. We both know thats not true. When it came to human rights and doing the right thing Clinton is just a douche bag. Remember the Khobar Towers bombing where 19 Americans died? Clinton went to the Saudis to ask for money for his library but didn't even ASK about the people they had locked up for the crime. Talk about doing the dead Airmen justice.

161 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:44:50am

re: #153 littleoldlady

Laced?

Thanks, Lady!

162 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:45:06am

re: #159 BlueCanuck

BlueCanuck! :-)

Nightmare. They came to get my kid for re-education camp. :-(

Was almost back asleep when the dog and cat decided it was play-time...in the bed.

163 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:45:48am

re: #157 FurryOldGuyJeans

Other people did try to tell you it was joking and got slapped for their efforts.

I didn't see it as a joke, though! No sarc tags, no "hee" type statements.

I missed it.

164 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:46:01am

re: #148 Sharmuta

So- is there early laced fruitcup around here?

if not, the leftovers have been bubbling along since last night....

and you can always ask the cook for a taste.

/white smoke

165 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:46:07am

re: #162 littleoldlady

Sorry about the nightmare. :(

Cat's and dogs living together? Now that's just weird. ;)

166 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:46:50am

re: #25 Intrepid

SANCTUARY!

"Fish, and plankton. And sea greens, and protein from the sea. It's all here, ready. Fresh as harvest day. Fish and sea greens, plankton and protein from the sea. And then it stopped coming. And they came instead. So I store them here. I'm ready. And you're ready. It's my job. To freeze you."

167 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:47:02am

re: #158 IslandLibertarian

Maturity is being able to stand up for yourself. Not look for others to back you up.

It is also asking trusted others to look over what you've said and tell you to the truth.

Which is what Sharmuta has done.

168 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:47:23am

And why was our military so cash strapped? Because HE cut the budget. Are you telling me he couldn't have appropriated funds? Come on...

169 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:48:24am

re: #165 BlueCanuck

Sorry about the nightmare. :(

Cat's and dogs living together? Now that's just weird. ;)

No, I believe that would be mass hysteria.

170 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:48:37am

re: #165 BlueCanuck

Cat's and dogs living together? Now that's just weird. ;)

Weird is par for the course around here. ;-)

171 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:48:55am

Alright, I've said my two cents for the night, I'm off to bed. Happy Vets Day for all who missed it.

172 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:50:19am

To IslandLibertarian I offer my humblest of apologies for misunderstanding what he/she wrote in his/her posts.

Please, I ask forgiveness.

173 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:51:29am

re: #166 gmsc

Logans Run?

174 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:51:54am

Night logboy. Rest well.

175 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:52:05am

re: #171 logboy

Alright, I've said my two cents for the night, I'm off to bed. Happy Vets Day for all who missed it.

You ain't getting away that cheap...you have to pitch in at least 2 bits. ;)

176 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:53:56am

re: #173 BlueCanuck

Logans Run?

Yep! That's Roscoe Lee Browne as "Box", the robot who stored protein, including humans.

177 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:54:33am
178 LeePro  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:55:23am

re: #131 BlueCanuck

re: #142 redc1c4

To both of you... you made me cry... again.

And now... here's my contribution in observance of Veterans' Day and Remembrance Day.

179 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:55:36am

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

You ain't getting away that cheap...you have to pitch in at least 2 bits. ;)

i'd say he's already paid his pittance in full....

if not, i'll cover it. his money's no good here.

/Scouts Out

180 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:55:40am

re: #177 Sharmuta

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!

Hey Ren! Where's the litter box?

181 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:56:14am

re: #173 BlueCanuck

Yup!

182 logboy  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:56:18am

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

You ain't getting away that cheap...you have to pitch in at least 2 bits. ;)


I've already paid the cost. Night.

183 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:57:22am

re: #172 Intrepid

To IslandLibertarian I offer my humblest of apologies for misunderstanding what he/she wrote in his/her posts.
Please, I ask forgiveness.

Pilgrim, I already forgave you up thread, but I threw in a zinger with it so I guess it don't count.
So I accept your apology and ask that if I have offended you in any way, I am sorry.

And for the record, I'm not a he/she. I look horrible in heels.

/can't we all just get along?

184 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:57:28am

re: #177 Sharmuta

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!

"I'll teach your Grandmother to suck eggs"!

Hee......hee hee....

185 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:58:13am

re: #178 LeePro

Morning {LeePro}. And thank you for that picture.

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:58:23am

re: #184 Intrepid

"I'll teach your Grandmother to suck eggs"!

Hee......hee hee....

Why won't they leave me....ALONE!?!?

187 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 12:58:59am

re: #177 Sharmuta

Hey Sharm, you still love me?

188 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:01:00am

Where I am, it's already November 12th. Among the great things that happened in history on November 12th:

1918 - Austria becomes a republic.
1936 - In California, the San Francisco – Oakland Bay Bridge opens to traffic.
1946 - A branch of the Exchange National Bank in Chicago, Illinois opens the first ten drive-up teller windows.
1980 - The NASA space probe Voyager I makes its closest approach to Saturn and takes first images of its rings.
1981 - The Space Shuttle Columbia becomes the first spacecraft to be launched twice.
1982 - Lech Wałęsa, a Solidarity leader, is released from a Polish prison after eleven months.

189 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:01:03am

Yes, IL- I love you still.

190 LeePro  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:01:06am

re: #185 BlueCanuck

Morning {LeePro}. And thank you for that picture.

{Blue}, "that picture" is one of my father's award-winning editorial cartoons during the Korean War.

:)

191 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:02:09am

re: #183 IslandLibertarian

Pilgrim, I already forgave you up thread, but I threw in a zinger with it so I guess it don't count.
So I accept your apology and ask that if I have offended you in any way, I am sorry.

And for the record, I'm not a he/she. I look horrible in heels.

/can't we all just get along?

Heh - as long as you don't keep calling me "pilgrim". I keep thinking of John Wayne when I see that. Although, I am still a pilgrim. Aren't we all?

No, it was my bad. Scripture is too precious to be used as a stick. And I tried to whack you with it.

Heh - no heels from now on. Me too. I hate them, though I am expected to wear them occasionally.

/stupid girl rules.....

192 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:02:53am

re: #189 Sharmuta

Yes, IL- I love you still.

Will you still love me tomorrow?

193 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:03:25am

It's LOG!

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:03:51am

re: #193 Sharmuta

It's LOG!

Better than Powered Toastman

195 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:05:44am

re: #189 Sharmuta

awwwwwwww gosh-o-golly........that makes up for all the drivel I've given and taken.
And now to sleep.
G'nite 'tiles.

196 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:06:50am

re: #191 Intrepid

There are girl rules?! Why was I not informed of this?

197 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:07:26am

re: #187 IslandLibertarian

Hey Sharm, you still love me?

"still"?

198 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:07:28am

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

Better than Powered Toastman

I'm firmly convinced that, when future archaeologists examine the early days of the internet, they will believe that the question of whether the hero's name was "Powered Toast Man" or "Powdered Toast Man" was a matter of great importance, due to the number of forum threads dedicated to the issue.

199 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:07:43am

re: #193 Sharmuta

It's LOG!

Check out the Obama ears on that LOG kid!

Heh.

200 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:08:43am

re: #198 gmsc

I'm firmly convinced that, when future archaeologists examine the early days of the internet, they will believe that the question of whether the hero's name was "Powered Toast Man" or "Powdered Toast Man" was a matter of great importance, due to the number of forum threads dedicated to the issue.

Hey, you stole my "D"! ;)

201 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:09:26am

It's better than bad, it GOOD!

202 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:10:05am

Log! is right up there with Happy Fun Ball™

203 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:10:25am

re: #196 Sharmuta

There are girl rules?! Why was I not informed of this?

Ssshhhh - honey, you're a yankee, and us Southern gals have different rules than ya'll do.

We gotta wear heels and skirts every once in a while. It's the nature of the game here.

204 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:10:32am

re: #199 Intrepid

Check out the Obama ears on that LOG kid!

Heh.

There's only one way to make 0bama's ears smaller - Nan0bama!

205 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:11:04am

Log can't beat the fun one can have with a Pet Rock.

206 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:12:47am

re: #202 Sharmuta

Log! is right up there with Happy Fun Ball™

Or Big Red™ (the toy, not the gum)

207 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:12:53am

re: #205 Rancher

Log can't beat the fun one can have with a Pet Rock.

Does a pet rock roll over your neighbour's dog?

208 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:12:54am

Oh yeah- I'm bookmarking this for future use.

209 Dustyvet  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:14:33am

FOOD FIGHT!


210 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:15:56am

re: #207 FurryOldGuyJeans

Does a pet rock roll over your neighbour's dog?

Depends how big the rock is or how small the dog is.

/and mathematics. ;)

211 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:06am

re: #208 Sharmuta

Oh yeah- I'm bookmarking this for future use.

You seem to have turned into a John K fan all of the sudden!

212 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:08am

re: #210 BlueCanuck

Depends how big the rock is or how small the dog is.

/and mathematics. ;)

Oh yeah, muddy things up with facts, why don't ya!

213 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:53am

re: #212 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh yeah, muddy things up with facts, why don't ya!

Who knew that 0bama logged on LGF with the name FurryOldGuyJeans?

214 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:17:58am

re: #211 gmsc

You seem to have turned into a John K fan all of the sudden!

Ren and Stimpy is more addicting that crack.

215 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:18:38am

We had to bail out the banks because they were the engine that effects all sectors of the economy. We do not have to bail out ever other industry, state, or city that is experiencing tough times. I just saw that Philadelphia will ask Obama for a bailout. Look for a deep depresion if we borrow, print money or soak the "rich" so we can throw money everywhere. Can't folks see this makes no sense?

216 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:18:42am

re: #208 Sharmuta

Oh yeah- I'm bookmarking this for future use.

Oh honey, have some Nora to help you out.

217 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:18:47am

re: #208 Sharmuta

Oh yeah- I'm bookmarking this for future use.

For reference, this is what Stimpy's singing.

218 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:19:28am

re: #213 gmsc

Who knew that 0bama logged on LGF with the name FurryOldGuyJeans?

When Obama turns out to be an old hairy white dude who is also a disabled vet do let me know.

219 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:21:35am

re: #217 Sharmuta

For reference, this is what Stimpy's singing.

I prefer to not know what she is singing, thank you very much ;)

220 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:21:43am

re: #218 FurryOldGuyJeans

When Obama turns out to be an old hairy white dude who is also a disabled vet do let me know.

He's saving that surprise for the last day of his presidency.
;)

221 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:22:02am

re: #217 Sharmuta

heh, I knew that. Don't even have to click the link for the "Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen."

/oohrah

222 gmsc  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:23:00am

Since it seems to be cartoon music night, how about a little The Cat Came Back?

223 LeePro  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:24:05am

One more time, with fervor [I seem to be invisible to all except Blue].

re: myself
...here's my contribution in observance of Veterans' Day and Remembrance Day.

Good night, good souls. I'm going to go upstairs and feel sorry for myself.

:-[

224 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:25:27am

re: #223 LeePro

One more time, with fervor [I seem to be invisible to all except Blue].


Good night, good souls. I'm going to go upstairs and feel sorry for myself.

:-[

Lee! Don't leave us! And don't feel sorry for yourself!

Here, have some Nora!

225 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:26:10am

Night {Lee}, have yourself a good sleep.

226 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:31:03am

re: #223 LeePro

One more time, with fervor [I seem to be invisible to all except Blue].


Good night, good souls. I'm going to go upstairs and feel sorry for myself.

:-[

tag, you're it......

/and no cooties!

227 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:31:29am

re: #215 Rancher

Many years ago during a time when a lot of U.S. cities were going bankrupt, or were on the verge of bankruptcy, Ed Rendell became mayor of Philadelphia and inherited a similar mess. He p*ssed off a lot of people (city unions in particular) with cuts and cost saving measures, but managed to get the city budget back in line in a couple of years.

And that's how he became Governor.

Last I heard, while states and cities all over the country are in trouble, Rendell announced that Pennsylvania is in "pretty good shape" to weather this storm.

Once upon a time voters held politicians accountable. Anymore, nobody's accountable for anything.

228 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:33:01am

re: #227 littleoldlady

Many years ago during a time when a lot of U.S. cities were going bankrupt, or were on the verge of bankruptcy, Ed Rendell became mayor of Philadelphia and inherited a similar mess. He p*ssed off a lot of people (city unions in particular) with cuts and cost saving measures, but managed to get the city budget back in line in a couple of years.

And that's how he became Governor.

Last I heard, while states and cities all over the country are in trouble, Rendell announced that Pennsylvania is in "pretty good shape" to weather this storm.

Once upon a time voters held politicians accountable. Anymore, nobody's accountable for anything.

The taxpayers are always held accountable.

229 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:33:33am

re: #222 gmsc

Since it seems to be cartoon music night, how about a little The Cat Came Back?

And I reply with "Blackfly".

230 Stonemason  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:34:05am

re: #227 littleoldlady

I switched parties to work for Ed in his first campaign, got to meet and chat with him one Friday afternoon. Nice enough guy, I was happy with what he had done to my Parents hometown so I gave back.

231 milton  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:35:27am

In a 2006 interview with Ben Smith of the NY Daily News, Rahm Emanuel, who will be Barack Obama's White House chief of staff, laughed at Smith's concerns about how far-reaching a mandatory civil-service plan would be.


UPDATE FULL VIDEO AVAILABLE HERE (first one had an error)

[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]


Rahm Emanuel, Obama Chief of Staff on MANDATORY CIVIL SERVICE PLAN

232 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:37:42am

Damn, I don't get to see any of these links, they're all blocked.

233 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:39:30am

re: #232 Rancher

At work? Here's a hint for later. Hit the show links button when you get home. Saves time in filtering through the thread looking for these nice little nuggets.

234 freetoken  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:42:24am

re: #227 littleoldlady

Once upon a time voters held politicians accountable. Anymore, nobody's accountable for anything.

Well, out here Arnold is still trying to get his biceps around how big the deficit will be this year (and probably next year.) Estimates run over $20 billion. That is a lot of money, and the state is now saying they need to raise sales tax about 1.5 points! That, on-top of some pretty broad budget cuts.

As the Japanese found out in the last decade, raising sales tax just reduces commerce by about the same amount, when the economy is stagnant. Californian politicians are so used to a growing California economy that they don't realize that in a recession increasing taxes at the state level just moves commerce across state lines.

235 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:43:14am

re: #231 milton

That's stunning.

236 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:44:27am

re: #230 Stonemason

I switched parties to work for Ed in his first campaign, got to meet and chat with him one Friday afternoon. Nice enough guy, I was happy with what he had done to my Parents hometown so I gave back.

Right. I've met him, too. When you filter out some of the off-the-wall partisan party stuff he says (which, when you see him say in person, you'd SWEAR he was rolling his eyes ;-) he's a "good politician".

If there is such a thing. :-/

Meanwhile, Philadelphia has a wage tax, over and above the state tax, a +1% sales tax added to the state's, and higher business taxes than the surrounding counties. (I think it still does, anyway.)

Gee? Where did the tax base go?

237 Stonemason  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:48:43am

re: #236 littleoldlady

(which, when you see him say in person, you'd SWEAR he was rolling his eyes ;-)

OH MY...when I met him, there was a life-sized cardboard Bill Clinton in the office. I swear he rolled his eyes at it when he saw it!

He was always a conservative Dem, or a Liberal Rep (as he ran the first time he tried to be Mayor)

238 jantjepietje  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:49:01am

geenstijl reportsthat he iraian ship where lgf reported aboutearlier
has arrived in Rotterdam


I put it through google translate and corrected some errors of the translating

In the port this afternoon is Deyanat MS Iran arrived, BNR reported, and according conspiracy theorists this is the largest dirty bomb ever created. Do you remember? Somali pirates hijacked the ship earlier this year, but they all mysteriously deceased when theyopened the holds. The pirates showed symptoms that appeared on many suspected radiation sickness. Lost hair, blood poop, bleeding gums and death. Why the ship is now in Rotterdam, is a mystery. Within the Port Authority would circulate a memo in which order is given to additional checks on Iran Deyanat. Think men in white suits, AIVD'ers and no doubt a lost American.
Update 08.00 Despite the strongest lead ever in the Dutch maritime history that we have a nuclear / illegal, scary and strange ship have, nothing happens. The Port Authority finds an examination of the contents are not needed. That would only make some friendly Muslim states angry.
239 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:49:25am

re: #231 milton

Have you put that up in the spinoffs yet?

240 Stonemason  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:49:59am

re: #236 littleoldlady

As far as the Philly taxes now, yup, they are killing the City. Nutter is trying hard to clean up after the thieves that ran the place for eight years but he is fighting an uphill battle.

241 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:50:17am

this one is for my 6 element, without whom i'd be FUBAR.....

Moonchild

i went out at twilight this evening, and there was the (more or less) full moon, just up from the east, surrounded by the evening haze, which was a pastel of pink/red/purple......... think Jimi Hendrix in a visual.

242 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:52:22am

Fruitcup = T-8 minutes and counting.

243 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:53:56am

re: #242 Intrepid

Fruitcup = T-8 minutes and counting.

Time Killer

244 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:55:29am

re: #242 Intrepid

Fruitcup = T-8 minutes and counting.

fruit cup: fixed and fermenting......

/white smoke

245 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:56:07am

re: #240 Stonemason

I like Nutter. I wish him much success.

And nothing could be better for the city than to get the Street brothers OUTTA THERE!

246 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:57:56am
247 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:59:54am

re: #239 BlueCanuck

Perhaps he doesn't know how. Why don't you add it?

248 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 1:59:55am

Mmm...fruitcup!

249 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:00:01am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

250 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:02:27am

Woot! Fruitcup from littleoldlady!

Yay!

251 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:02:34am

re: #249 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

nothing tastes quite as good as tardy fruit cup:
it gives the fixins more time to meld......

252 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:04:16am

re: #250 Intrepid

Psst- you gotsta ding it, Trep.

Thanks LOL

253 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:04:33am

re: #251 redc1c4

nothing tastes quite as good as tardy fruit cup:
it gives the fixins more time to meld......

Yes, that .01 second gives it that extra edge!

heh/white smoke?

254 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:04:53am

re: #247 Sharmuta

Done. Ooops, maybe I should have put in a hat tip.

/getting tired and wonky

255 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:05:14am

re: #249 littleoldlady

Thanks for the fruitcup lovely lady.

256 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:05:26am

Fenway! :-)

Intrepid! :-)

red! :-)

WHAT tardy?! Oh...you mean YOURS. ;-)

Sharmuta! :-)

Stonemason, my lurking friend! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

jantjepietje! :-)

milton! :-)

Who did I miss?....LGF! :-)

257 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:05:46am

re: #252 Sharmuta

Psst- you gotsta ding it, Trep.

Thanks LOL

Whoopsie! Dinged now.

/so embarrased...

258 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:06:16am

re: #238 jantjepietje

Good Lord, glad it's over there and not here.

259 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:08:20am

re: #257 Intrepid

LOL is too nice to ask for dings. But I'm not. ;p

260 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:08:42am

re: #259 Sharmuta

I'm saving my whining for my birthday. ;-)

261 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:10:58am

re: #258 Rancher

Good Lord, glad it's over there and not here.

nothing to see here, and it's all in the hands of competent authorities.....

/white smoke

262 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:11:55am

re: #259 Sharmuta

LOL is too nice to ask for dings. But I'm not. ;p

Which is why we are glad you are involved in your local RNC stuff.

No wimps need apply there!

263 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:16:24am

re: #262 Intrepid

Thanks, Intrepid.

264 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:16:36am

Ahhh, peaceful here tonight. I do enjoy the occassional troll bashing, but the moments and times of quiet are the most enjoyable.

265 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:16:44am

re: #231 milton

In a 2006 interview with Ben Smith of the NY Daily News, Rahm Emanuel, who will be Barack Obama's White House chief of staff, laughed at Smith's concerns about how far-reaching a mandatory civil-service plan would be.


UPDATE FULL VIDEO AVAILABLE HERE (first one had an error)

[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]


Rahm Emanuel, Obama Chief of Staff on MANDATORY CIVIL SERVICE PLAN

The gall of that man! He used the specter of another terrorist attack or another Katrina to justify enslaving the American people!

266 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:17:30am

re: #254 BlueCanuck

*sigh* You added it into the linkviewer but not the spinoffs on the thread, huh?

267 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:17:50am

re: #264 BlueCanuck

Ahhh, peaceful here tonight. I do enjoy the occassional troll bashing, but the moments and times of quiet are the most enjoyable.

Snedgar is gone, and his faithful male companion, JohnDakota.

268 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:19:05am

re: #265 MandyManners

No way! I thought it was Republicans who ruled through fear....

269 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:19:20am

re: #265 MandyManners

It's stunning, isn't it.

And Blue- I added it to the spinoffs on the thread.

270 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:20:13am
271 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:21:43am

re: #267 MandyManners

Snedgar is gone, and his faithful male companion, JohnDakota.

*sniggersnigger snorf*

Heh.

272 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:22:17am

re: #266 Sharmuta

Sorry, like I said, I am getting a little groggy here. My apologies.

/also keep forgetting about the spinoff part of link viewing.

273 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:22:52am

I about fell over when I heard him say that the "volunteers" would get to know what America means through service. What did Communism say about labor? Peace through labor or somesuch.

274 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:24:22am

re: #273 MandyManners

I can't believe he openly laughed at the reporter!

275 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:26am

re: #273 MandyManners

Service to understand what it means to be an American is what turned my stomach.

276 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:33am

re: #273 MandyManners

Didn't the Nazi concentration camps had the 'Work Makes Free' in German over the gates?

277 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:38am

re: #271 Intrepid

*sn*****sn***** snorf*

Heh.

Heh - I guess I should have "snicker snicker snorf"'d.

Instead of mostly using "G's". Not that I meant anything by it. Never.

278 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:25:42am

I heard thatre: #256 littleoldlady
Ya missed me.

279 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:26:27am

re: #273 MandyManners

Arbeit macht frei.

280 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:24am

re: #277 Intrepid

yeah, someone else found out about that a couple nights ago too.

281 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:26am

shanec99! :-)

mea culpa!

282 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:44am

re: #276 Fenway_Nation

Didn't the Nazi concentration camps had the 'Work Makes Free' in German over the gates?

re: #279 littleoldlady

Arbeit macht frei.

That's what I was thinking about.

283 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:27:56am

re: #279 littleoldlady

Arbeit macht frei.

NEVER AGAIN!

284 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:29:03am

re: #273 MandyManners
Good lord, help us.
These people and their funny ideas.
If they start talking about re-education camps for children during summer (similar to some ideas under it takes a village to raise a child) I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

285 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:29:20am

re: #274 Sharmuta


I can- remember Audacity?

286 Intrepid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:29:47am

re: #280 BlueCanuck

yeah, someone else found out about that a couple nights ago too.

Really? Did someone use the actual "N" word here?

287 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:30:32am

The snickering about the jumping-jacks got to me, too. When did contravening the Thirteenth Amendment become a joke?

288 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:30:35am

re: #281 littleoldlady
(Takes a bow)

Well thank you lovely lady. I hate to be left out. If this room were an egg I would have to be sitting on top of the yolk.

289 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:31:24am

re: #284 shanec99

Good lord, help us.
These people and their funny ideas.
If they start talking about re-education camps for children during summer (similar to some ideas under it takes a village to raise a child) I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I don't give them the benefit of the doubt at all. They despise America and Americans.

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:32:25am

re: #273 MandyManners

I about fell over when I heard him say that the "volunteers" would get to know what America means through service. What did Communism say about labor? Peace through labor or somesuch.

And if one chooses to go 'AWOL' from this 'volunteer service'...?

291 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:34:06am

re: #290 Oh no...Sand People!

And if one chooses to go 'AWOL' from this 'volunteer service'...?

Nuh. That's the nightmare that woke me at 1 am!

292 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:35:31am

re: #291 littleoldlady

Nuh. That's the nightmare that woke me at 1 am!

I swear... I don't know if we really understand the 'change' that is coming.

My moonbat sense has been tingling all summer and now the last week it has been in overdrive...

293 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:35:38am

re: #290 Oh no...Sand People!

And if one chooses to go 'AWOL' from this 'volunteer service'...?

I bet it'll be the same as going AWOL from military service.

294 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:35:58am

re: #289 MandyManners

I don't give them the benefit of the doubt at all. They despise America and Americans.

I don't think all of them do. Some of them I think are well intentioned idiots. Well intentioned... but idiots none the less.

When they come up with their nutty ideas they all agree and slap them selves on the back and proclaim their genius with stupid cliches like: "Great minds think alike!"
Meanwhile the rest of us can sit back and remind ourselves that: "Fools seldom differ!"

295 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:38:11am

Hail fellow Citizens of the World, Loyal(but soon to be Traitorous) Opposition to Obummer I bring news of good tidings - great joy: Russia, U.S., EU may yet agree common security deal - Lavrov

Russia, the United States and the European Union still have time to agree on ways of ensuring security before missiles are deployed in Poland and Russia's Kaliningrad Region, the Russian foreign minister said on Tuesday.

Sergei Lavrov said a security agreement based on respect for common interests would negate the planned deployment of a U.S. missile shield in central Europe, on the one hand, and the possibility of tactical missiles being stationed in Russia's western exclave bordering Poland, on the other.
[…]
Russia, which says the missile defense system is a threat to its national security, has indicated it will not address the U.S. proposals until after President-elect Barack Obama is {editied & translated from Rooshkie} inaugurated under full command of Moscow, Beijing & Tehran in January.

This ought to go smoothly...dump Missile Defense, push through the LOST Treaty, Obummer's Global Poverty Act...eh..the ICC; yes...yes...yes...this ought to go quite smoothly....just watch that first step.

Mornin all...another day in paradise.

296 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:38:32am

re: #294 shanec99

I don't think all of them do. Some of them I think are well intentioned idiots. Well intentioned... but idiots none the less.

When they come up with their nutty ideas they all agree and slap them selves on the back and proclaim their genius with stupid cliches like: "Great minds think alike!"
Meanwhile the rest of us can sit back and remind ourselves that: "Fools seldom differ!"

How can one wish to impose servitude on Americans and not despise America?

297 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:38:56am

re: #293 MandyManners

I bet it'll be the same as going AWOL from military service.

You mean the Code-Pinkos and various left-wing scum will embrace us with open arms?

/

298 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:39:03am

re: #286 Intrepid

No, it was the same word you tried to use as well. I got a chuckle out of it at least. Unfortunately Charles has to put filters like that in place to avoid trolls and such.

299 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:40:23am

And if Obama even lives up to 10% of his 'promises' and campaign pledges... we are in for one heckuva ride. I 'hope' he was only doing political pseudo speak and follows the path of all politicians and promised the world and fails to deliver. For some reason though I think he is more motivated to deliver than anyone can imagine.

300 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:40:42am

re: #297 Fenway_Nation

You mean the Code-Pinkos and various left-wing scum will embrace us with open arms?

/

Wonder if Canada would get a new generation of Draft Dodgers.

/and would the same people supporting "War Resisters" support them?

301 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:41:20am

re: #293 MandyManners

I bet it'll be the same as going AWOL from military service.

Please don't say that... our nation outlawed forced servitude years ago, when an eloquent Republican guided the nation through its most perilous years.

Let us pledge not to allow any government to force our children into servitude that is not dictated by the constitution.

All duties not specifically given to the government is to be left to the people is how I understand the constitution. Please someone tell me if I err.

302 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:42:58am

re: #284 shanec99

Good lord, help us.
These people and their funny ideas.
If they start talking about re-education camps for children during summer (similar to some ideas under it takes a village to raise a child) I will stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I assume you saw the teacher telling the little girl her Daddy will be in Iraq for a hundred years if McCain gets elected? The kids don't need re-education, they are indoctrinating them as we speak.

303 Stonemason  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:43:15am

re: #301 shanec99

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The ninth amendment...clear as day.

304 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:44:15am

re: #292 Oh no...Sand People!

Big, BIG fight with my favorite cousin, who voted for Obama because he thought that would prevent his kids from being drafted!

From the get-go - months ago! - I was sending him links from Obama's own website claiming that he'd increase the number of people in the armed forces. How will he do that without a draft?

305 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:44:17am

re: #300 BlueCanuck

Wonder if Canada would get a new generation of Draft Dodgers.

/and would the same people supporting "War Resisters" support them?

I can already see the ads placed on placards on the sides of the buses, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, FOX, as they drive the masses to 'Civil Boot Camp' for the mandatory 3 - 9 months depending on what Obama feels like should be the term...

Why do I get the feeling only 18 -25 year olds with an (R) in front of their name will be the only one's required to go?

306 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:45:16am

re: #297 Fenway_Nation

You mean the Code-Pinkos and various left-wing scum will embrace us with open arms?

/

Not even if they shave under those arms.

307 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:45:17am

re: #295 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Underpass.

/in Costa Rico...

308 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:45:53am

re: #301 shanec99

Please don't say that... our nation outlawed forced servitude years ago, when an eloquent Republican guided the nation through its most perilous years.

Let us pledge not to allow any government to force our children into servitude that is not dictated by the constitution.

All duties not specifically given to the government is to be left to the people is how I understand the constitution. Please someone tell me if I err.

You don't 'err', but you did notice how the 'election' turned out...right?

///

309 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:46:19am

re: #301 shanec99

Please don't say that... our nation outlawed forced servitude years ago, when an eloquent Republican guided the nation through its most perilous years.

Let us pledge not to allow any government to force our children into servitude that is not dictated by the constitution.

All duties not specifically given to the government is to be left to the people is how I understand the constitution. Please someone tell me if I err.

That's what the Constitution says.

310 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:48:31am

re: #309 MandyManners

That's what the Constitution says.

Oh, that old thing?

311 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:49:14am

re: #310 littleoldlady

Oh, that old thing?

LOL!

312 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:49:39am

gmsc posted this earlier:

[Link: claytoncramer.com...]

If this is truly a zogby poll at the moment- this is totally whack.

313 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:50:43am

re: #309 MandyManners

That's what the Constitution says.

It also says something about free speech but we still have McCain Feingold. Also consider that newly appointed judges will believe in a "living" constitution.

314 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:52:05am

Gonna' get some tea.

315 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:53:10am

re: #312 Sharmuta

Wow, those are some pretty extreme positions.

316 rightside  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:55:43am

re: #312 Sharmuta

wtf!

317 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 2:57:05am

re: #312 Sharmuta

On the other hand, some of the questions almost read like Republican push polling:

Yet they are all positions Obama supported or proposed.

318 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:00:04am
If you knew about Barack Obama's support for Congressional legislation that would overturn abortion restrictions, such as parental notification, gender selection abortions and requiring doctors to have local hospital certificates when performing abortions

Gender selection- nice. And yeah- if abortions are going on in this country, we sure wouldn't want to prevent butchers from getting their hands on women.

319 akak  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:01:08am

Why the hell would Olmert & E Barak ban the IDF from using snipers from protecting border guards & police?

Parents & families must be furious.

320 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:02:21am

re: #312 Sharmuta

gmsc posted this earlier:

[Link: claytoncramer.com...]

If this is truly a zogby poll at the moment- this is totally whack.

56 PER CENT? I'M WELL AND TRULY FUCKED.

321 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:03:16am

re: #313 Rancher

It also says something about free speech but we still have McCain Feingold. Also consider that newly appointed judges will believe in a "living" constitution.

That can be tossed but, how can one just toss the 13th Amendment?

322 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:04:31am

re: #321 MandyManners

That can be tossed but, how can one just toss the 13th Amendment?

The islamists will love that!

323 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:06:39am

re: #320 MandyManners

56 PER CENT? I'M WELL AND TRULY FUCKED.

Ahem. That sure got my attention. ;D
Good Morning LGF.

324 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:07:06am

re: #320 MandyManners

Just start a business, run it into the ground, then ask Congress for a bailout. It's what all the cool businesses are doing these days.

325 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:07:15am

re: #322 Sharmuta

The islamists will love that!

You betcha'. They helped slavery many, many years ago.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:07:47am

re: #323 Spare O'Lake

Ahem. That sure got my attention. ;D
Good Morning LGF.

Good morning to you, too.

327 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:08:13am

re: #324 Sharmuta

Just start a business, run it into the ground, then ask Congress for a bailout. It's what all the cool businesses are doing these days.

I couldn't do that to employees or the American people.

328 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:08:33am

re: #325 MandyManners

They won't face prosecution for having slaves here anymore.

329 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:08:56am

re: #327 MandyManners

I was trying to make a joke.

330 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:09:25am

re: #312 Sharmuta

gmsc posted this earlier:

[Link: claytoncramer.com...]

If this is truly a zogby poll at the moment- this is totally whack.

Sex selection? Gee, look at how well that's served the Chinese people.

331 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:06am

Been keeping my eyes on the London Stock Exchange this morning. Doesn't look good still. But things may change later on.

332 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:22am

re: #330 MandyManners

Wait til they find the homosexual gene, then we can have orientation abortions too.

333 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:29am

re: #330 MandyManners

Sex selection? Gee, look at how well that's served the Chinese people.

Not to mention India as well.

334 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:10:32am

re: #328 Sharmuta

They won't face prosecution for having slaves here anymore.

Slave/no-slave sections on international flights?

335 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:11:06am

re: #329 Sharmuta

I was trying to make a joke.

I know. I'm feeling rather humor-impaired at times. Mebbe' my tea will help.

336 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:11:53am

What if 10% of us "just say no" to their slavery program?

/new government works project: Jail Building!
//or let's just cut to the chase and call them Concentration Camps.

337 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:12:00am

re: #332 Sharmuta

Wait til they find the homosexual gene, then we can have orientation abortions too.

I don't see how since many who oppose homosexuality also oppose abortion.

338 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:12:51am

re: #335 MandyManners

Would you like to play with Log™?

339 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:12:56am

Did anyone else notice WAB wore a solid, red dress to go to the White House?

340 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:14:47am

What's this shit about Hannah Montana having the Obama Girls on as guests? Gah. I'll have to stop The Kid from watching that. (He claims he doesn't now but, I catch him watching sometimes with a silly grin on his face. When I ask him about it, he almost shouts, "I hate Hannah Montana. She's ugly!" Yeah. Right.)

341 rightside  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:15:11am

re: #339 MandyManners

In case of spillage?

342 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:15:14am

re: #339 MandyManners

Hey! We're boycotting TV! Remember?

343 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:16am

re: #338 Sharmuta

Would you like to play with Log™?

Pecan log, maybe.

344 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:39am

re: #341 rightside

In case of spillage?

Huh?

345 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:44am

Ah, first pour.

So I see Obama & Co. have been busy gnawing at the foundations. Is it Mourning in America yet?

346 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:16:59am

re: #342 littleoldlady

Hey! We're boycotting TV! Remember?

I'm not boycotting Fox. However, my MUTE button is primed.

347 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:17:02am

re: #342 littleoldlady

Hey! We're boycotting TV! Remember?

No, we are boycotting the news networks. :)

/still some good t.v. out there I think.

348 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:17:37am

Thought for the Day

"Most Russians Urban-Americans don't care whether they are ruled by fascists or communists or even Martians as long as they can buy six kinds of sausage lettuce in the store and lots of cheap vodka overpriced gourmet coffee."

-- General Alexander Lebed The Other Les.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

349 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:18:16am

re: #347 BlueCanuck

Right. HGTV, TCM, AMC.

The Longest Day (Movie) was on yesterday. Love that one!

350 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:18:51am

TV cuts into LGF time.

351 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:21am

It makes a nice book stand.

352 rightside  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:24am

re: #344 MandyManners

The bloodletting. I figure WAB would have told Laura to GTFO of "her" house now.

353 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:34am

re: #349 littleoldlady

Right. HGTV, TCM, AMC.

The Longest Day (Movie) was on yesterday. Love that one!

Personal favorite has to be "A Bridge Too Far".

/well and Patton too

354 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:19:59am

Actually, any kind of stand. It accumulates clutter.

355 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:20:25am

re: #352 rightside

The bloodletting. I figure WAB would have told Laura to GTFO of "her" house now.

Oy.

356 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:20:51am

I suppose Michelle is not ashamed to live in the White House now.

Someone should ask her.

357 rightside  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:21:24am

re: #355 MandyManners

Oh, I am sure you'll hear it referred to as the "black" house some now.

358 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:22:02am

COVINGTON, La. — An Oklahoma woman invited to a rural Louisiana campsite for a Ku Klux Klan initiation ritual was shot and killed after she asked to be taken back to town, the sheriff of a New Orleans suburb said Tuesday.

Eight people were arrested after authorities found the woman's body hidden under some brush, on the side of a road several miles from the remote campsite where the initiation was planned.

Investigators found weapons, several flags and six Klan robes at the campsite, St. Tammany Parish Sheriff Jack Strain said in a news release.

SNIP

359 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:22:48am

re: #356 godfrey

I suppose Michelle is not ashamed to live in the White House now.

Someone should ask her.

She'll withold her pride until 2012 to see if CBBHO gets reelected.

360 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:23:31am

re: #357 rightside

Oh, I am sure you'll hear it referred to as the "black" house some now.

I don't see it happening. Now, maybe the "Obamahouse".

361 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:25:48am

Why can't the US government allow the big 3 auto manufacturers to go bankrupt? Is it because their unionized employees, bankers, suppliers and shareholders would get screwed? But that's what is supposed to happen in any bankruptcy, and then the company is supposed to emerge as a leaner, more competitive enterprise with a much lower cost structure.
What will government bailouts do except to prop up uncompetitive companies.
Would it not be better to let the big three go down, and save the bailout money to help the employees and suppliers to survive until the restructuring is done?
Who says size doesn't matter?!

362 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:25:56am

Who voted for Obama? -- really good post at Clayton Cramer's. Note:

One of the reasons that Republicans can't hold onto power is that their policies promoting economic growth and low income tax rates--especially in the higher brackets--end up creating vast swarms of highly paid, undertaxed voters--who reward Republicans for this by voting Democratic.

He has some suggestions.

363 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:28:03am

re: #362 godfrey

They "feel" undertaxed, I would say.

364 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:29:41am

For a dozen amusing/disturbing posts, see A Welsh View.

365 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:30:09am

re: #361 Spare O'Lake

Reason: unions.

366 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:30:33am

Good morning, Lizards.

367 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:32:18am

Good morning {goddess}, welcome to the early mourning thread. ;)

/it isn't all that bad yet though.

368 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:32:20am

Morning, GOTC. How's de cowd?

369 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:33:18am

re: #366 goddessoftheclassroom

Top of the day to you!

Feeling better?

370 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:33:27am

Good morning, goddess

371 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:36:03am

goddess! :-)

372 rightside  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:36:35am

{goddess}

373 godfrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:36:51am

re: #367 BlueCanuck

It's getting worse: Obama likely to escape campaign audit.

374 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:39:03am

{Lizards}

I'm feeling better, thanks! It's amazing how a hot, steamy shower makes one feel better! I know about lunchtime I'll feel crummy, but onward!

375 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:41:30am

re: #373 godfrey

Nice. I can see where this will end up down the road. Can you say campaign Infomercials?

/would we also get Shamwows with our donations?

376 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:41:55am

Good morning, people.

You know, when you think about it, it's really a very odd phenomenon that gays (and apparently not only "activists" but also just normal people) are demonstrating after an election against results they don't like. What do they think is going to happen? The government will ignore the election results? There will be a new election?

This is very odd. And it seems to me to be just one or two couple of little steps to riots after an election.

I would call this phenomenon "ominous."

377 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:42:02am

I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.

378 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:44:27am

re: #377 Spare O'Lake

I'm picturing (smelling) a very stinky kitchen.

/hey! that's what happens here when MY mom comes to visit...

nonic! :-)

379 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:44:31am

re: #376 nonic

Good morning, people.

You know, when you think about it, it's really a very odd phenomenon that gays (and apparently not only "activists" but also just normal people) are demonstrating after an election against results they don't like. What do they think is going to happen? The government will ignore the election results? There will be a new election?

This is very odd. And it seems to me to be just one or two couple of little steps to riots after an election.

I would call this phenomenon "ominous."

I'd call it just fine until the Molotov cocktails are lit.

380 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:45:25am

re: #377 Spare O'Lake

I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.

I wonder whether Obama will invite his aunt from Boston?

381 laZardo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:45:26am

re: #376 nonic

Rights before democracy, as they say.

/is bi, and facepalms

382 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:46:57am

I mean....... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.

383 windhorse  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:47:11am

all 57 states.....

384 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:50:31am

re: #382 nonic

Would you mind explaining this "Following the RULES" thing to me? I'm not sure I get it...

385 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:51:31am

re: #382 nonic

I mean....... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.

There is no legitimate basis --- unless you believe that there is some sort of "higher principle" that demands waiving electoral results in order to ensure the implementation of some sort of policy.

That belief -- that laws, traditions, institutions should not be recognized if they hinder what is perceived to be necessary action -- is, of course, the root of totalitarianism.

386 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:51:34am

re: #332 Sharmuta

Wait till they find the homosexual gene, then we can have orientation abortions too.

That's definitely going to happen. Downs kids are currently being aborted. Short kids, ginger kids, potentially fat kids, any kid that doesn't fit the parent's idea of ideal.

The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.

387 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:51:55am

re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom

I wonder whether Obama will invite his aunt from Boston?

I can hear the sounds of millions of suitcases opening across America.

388 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:52:40am

re: #382 nonic

I mean....... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.

See- this is one of the things that makes me think things will be okay. They can't completely shut down free speech because then their own people wouldn't know what to do with their time if they couldn't protest.

I mean really- it's like it's all they live for.

389 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:52:41am

re: #377 Spare O'Lake

I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.

Who's gonna' pay for THAT?!

390 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:52:52am

re: #377 Spare O'Lake

I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.


No kidding. Maybe that's the answer for Aunt Tooti or whatever her name is, the illegal one up in Boston. If she's got a room in the White House, then INS is hardly gonna boot her out, are they?

So, this means now the American taxpayer is going to support Barack Obama's mother-in-law. I presume we're not going to deduct for room and board out of her Social Security, right?

This is going to be a VERY interesting 4 years! LOL

391 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:20am

re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom

I wonder whether Obama will invite his aunt from Boston?

Maybe after he's pardoned her and had her application for citizenship rushed through.

392 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:21am

re: #385 Lucius Septimius

Nota Bene: I'm not saying that people don't have a right to protest, but the belief that a law, once agreed upon by the electorate, should be overturned because of the demands of a minority is not a democratic sentiment.

393 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:44am

re: #386 Rancher

Excellent use of the selected quote, and I agree, so one ding for you... Rustler?

394 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:53:56am

re: #382 nonic

I mean....... what is the legitimate basis for demonstrating against ELECTION RESULTS? The will of the people was expressed. That's the way it works, for good or bad. This IS the system -- you have to accept it. Or we have chaos.

So, dissent should be allowed only before an election?

395 laZardo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:54:49am

re: #392 Lucius Septimius

Hence their likening of Prop-8-style legislation to things like Plessy v. Ferguson.

I don't quite get it either.

396 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:55:47am

re: #386 Rancher

That's definitely going to happen. Downs kids are currently being aborted. Short kids, ginger kids, potentially fat kids, any kid that doesn't fit the parent's idea of ideal.

The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.

It still won't prevent the fairies from leaving changelings.

397 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:56:57am

re: #395 laZardo

Hence their likening of Prop-8-style legislation to things like Plessy v. Ferguson.

I don't quite get it either.

Precisely -- they want judicial activism, yet don't realize that most of what they decry as tyranny was the result of judicial action (or non-action).

398 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:57:57am

re: #393 Sharmuta

Rustler?

Nope, Rustler is off till Thursday night.

Real Rancher

399 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:58:14am

I know I should post this on the Bush thread, but I want to say it here anyway. Thank you, George Bush for your service to this country. A country that had artists and leftists making movies about your assassination. T-shirt makers raking in cash for countless moonbat slogans.(BushHitler) Unlike those ungrateful, SAFE Amercians, I would have voted for you to keep me safe for the next 8 years.

400 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 3:59:32am

re: #398 Rancher

He really needs to get his own nic, Dad.

401 gregg  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:00:48am

re: #373 godfrey

It's getting worse: Obama likely to escape campaign audit.

That should be the final nail in the coffin of McCain-Feingold.

402 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:00:51am

re: #400 Sharmuta

He really needs to get his own nic, Dad.

Yeah, we're confused enough on a regular day without trying to figure out whose posting with whose nick. :)

403 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:00:57am

re: #339 MandyManners

Did anyone else notice WAB wore a solid, red dress to go to the White House?

and looked tacky in it, i might add.....

404 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:01:48am

re: #378 littleoldlady

I'm picturing (smelling) a very stinky kitchen.
/hey! that's what happens here when MY mom comes to visit...

They were saying something about Ritz battered fried chicken for the kids.
Sounds pretty good.

405 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:02:39am

re: #388 Sharmuta

Yeah, but there can be permitted "free speech" and banned "free speech." Which we're not all that far away from right now with political correctness regarding race and islam.

406 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:02:48am

re: #403 redc1c4

Despite recent events tearing republicans apart, let us have a moment of thanks that we will have a first lady we all can agree to enjoy snarking for years to come.

407 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:03:42am

re: #403 redc1c4

and looked tacky in it, i might add.....

I thought she looked just fine but, it was an interesting choice of colors. Something tells me she didn't wear it as a Reagan-Red.

I still cannot get over the dress she wore last Tuesday night. Its symbolism just screamed.

408 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:04:09am

re: #400 Sharmuta

He sure does, only problem is once he leaves work he plays EQ all day. I'll try and get him registered if I happen across an open door thread.

409 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:05:04am

re: #406 Sharmuta

Despite recent events tearing republicans apart, let us have a moment of thanks that we will have a first lady we all can agree to enjoy snarking for years to come.

*rubbing hands with anticipatory glee*

410 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:05:23am

re: #408 Rancher

Could be worse. He could be a WoW junkie.

/it has dragged down many a geek friend of mine.

411 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:01am

re: #409 MandyManners

*rubbing hands with anticipatory glee*

And, it's not glee based on her being the First Lady but, based on her being a freaking Commie.

412 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:08am

The more I think on that supposed zogby poll, the more suspicious I'm getting. Don't you think that would have been relayed to another source by now if it's a couple days old?

413 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:19am

re: #377 Spare O'Lake

I just saw on CNN that Michele's mom will be moving into the White House. Harry Truman's mother-in-law was the last one, and they say she hated Harry's guts.
This whole mother-in-law thing is going to set a very dangerous precedent.

personally, i hope it makes his life hell.....

/even more than the j*b does.

414 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:06:31am

re: #409 MandyManners

*rubbing hands with anticipatory glee*

{Mandy!} lolol

415 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:08:41am

I read this morning that Obama got 40,000 fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. He won because Republicans stayed home.

416 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:08:46am

re: #408 Rancher

Is he going to be "Rustler"?

417 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:09:27am

re: #415 Lucius Septimius

So- we were the real PUMAs all along, huh?

418 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:09:32am

re: #413 redc1c4

personally, i hope it makes his life hell.....

/even more than the j*b does.

Maybe he'll soon be posting on a forum about mothers-in-law. I wonder what his nic will be.

CiC?

419 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:09:41am

re: #405 nonic

Yeah, but there can be permitted "free speech" and banned "free speech." Which we're not all that far away from right now with political correctness regarding race and islam.

Yup. The kids have been being taught in school for a decade or more now that there is NO TOLERANCE for "offensive" speech.

420 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:09am

re: #417 Sharmuta

So- we were the real PUMAs all along, huh?

PUMA? No savvy the lingo.

421 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:18am

re: #394 MandyManners

So, dissent should be allowed only before an election?

No, but the DAY AFTER the election? And "dissent" expressed against the VOTERS?

There was fear in police departments in big cities that there might be riots if Obama did not win the election. If there had been, you could call that "dissent," too. But I would call it really bad behavior, chaos, and anti-democratic mob rule.

422 littleoldlady  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:50am
Sadie gets a phone call from one of her sons...

"Mom! I won the election! Now I want you to be there for my inauguration on January 20."

"Oh, I don't know...you know how I hate to travel."

"Don't worry, Mom. I'll send Air Force One for you. You'll be traveling in luxury and comfort. It's a big day for me, and I want you to be there to share it."

"Well, okay..."

Comes January 20th and Sadie has a front row seat at the inauguration. She leans over to the woman beside her and whispers:

"See that young man with his hand on the bible?.......His brother's a doctor!"

Good day, ALL!™

423 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:10:58am

re: #419 galloping granny

Yup. The kids have been being taught in school for a decade or more now that there is NO TOLERANCE for "offensive" speech.

DING DING DING DING DING!

We have a winner!

424 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:11:12am

re: #419 galloping granny

Morning granny. Have I ever mentioned how much I hate PCspeak? Almost orwellian in nature by restricting a persons thought.

425 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:07am

re: #403 redc1c4

and looked tacky in it, i might add.....

"tacky" is not quite the right word. Tacky is when you have no sense of style at all and look like you are wearing a paper bag. I would call that much too tight for a lady of any stripe screaming red dress upscale ho.

426 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:18am

ROFLMAO, bye littleoldlady. Have yourself a good day now.

427 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:45am

re: #420 Lucius Septimius

PUMA = Party Unity My Ass. It was being used for Hillary supporters working against 0bama, but I think it was really better suited to us after all.

428 laZardo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:12:57am

re: #415 Lucius Septimius

Sounded like ACORN didn't need to do much, if at all. That would have rendered the ACORN fears relatively moot though.

429 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:13:49am

re: #424 BlueCanuck

Morning granny. Have I ever mentioned how much I hate PCspeak? Almost orwellian in nature by restricting a persons thought.

I don't know if you have mentioned it, but I sure have. Fox used to have a good column that publicized ridiculous incidents around the country, but that is long gone. Unfortunately.

When we lose our tolerance we are lost as a people and as a nation.

430 laZardo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:11am

re: #421 nonic

No, but the DAY AFTER the election? And "dissent" expressed against the VOTERS?

There was fear in police departments in big cities that there might be riots if Obama did not win the election. If there had been, you could call that "dissent," too. But I would call it really bad behavior, chaos, and anti-democratic mob rule.

If riots start happening now, they'd call it "overzealous celebrations."

431 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:14am

re: #407 MandyManners

I thought she looked just fine but, it was an interesting choice of colors. Something tells me she didn't wear it as a Reagan-Red.

I still cannot get over the dress she wore last Tuesday night. Its symbolism just screamed.

Wasn't one of the kids dressed in black? I mean, who dresses a little girl in black? Not even at a funeral.

432 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:14am

re: #427 Sharmuta

PUMA = Party Unity My Ass. It was being used for Hillary supporters working against 0bama, but I think it was really better suited to us after all.

Ah! Yep --- that was the case. Republicans were demoralized by the media and an incredibly inept McCain campaign. That the latter is now blaming Palin for their troubles -- the woman who have them the only bump of the campaign -- shows what a bunch of whiney losers they really are.

433 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:14:47am

Gotta go to work -- keep chumming the waters of indignation.

434 laZardo  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:15:05am

re: #433 Lucius Septimius

Cheers.

435 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:15:48am

Weak-ass defense of Sarah by McCain on Leno last night.

"These things happen in campaigns."

"I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisers...A top adviser said? ... I've never even heard of ... a top adviser or a high-ranking Republican official...I have a thousand top advisors."

He knows who was spreading that bull.

436 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:15:53am

re: #415 Lucius Septimius

I read this morning that Obama got 40,000 fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. He won because Republicans stayed home.

I'm still trying to figure out how a full 62.2% of the adults age 18+ in the state of Vermont showed up at the polls. In a pigs eye they did.

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:16:05am

Avatar test

438 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:16:10am

re: #416 Sharmuta

yup.

439 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:16:37am

re: #437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL!

440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:16:38am

It worked! Sweet! Morning everybody!

441 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:17:43am

re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It worked! Sweet! Morning everybody!

Morning FBV. Pretty cold in Canada you know.

442 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:17:51am

galloping granny

I've got another recommendation for you. "World War I, the Complete Story," narrated by Robert Ryan, put out by CBS News, over 10 hours, all archival footage, and a broader canvas, more of the contextual history. Very good. Except that the DVD isn't all that easy to navigate, but the content is good.

443 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:18:33am

Morning FBV. Nice avatar. I think we have some spare space up here for you.

/lets see now, Saskatchewan? yeah, Manitoba needs a wind break. ;)

444 NC State of Mind  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:19:41am

re: #435 Rancher

Weak-ass defense of Sarah by McCain on Leno last night.

"These things happen in campaigns."

"I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisers...A top adviser said? ... I've never even heard of ... a top adviser or a high-ranking Republican official...I have a thousand top advisors."

He knows who was spreading that bull.

So much for naming names, huh? I'm immensley disappointed in McCain's handling of this. Greta van Sustern has been more helpful for Palin during this mess.

445 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:20:17am

re: #406 Sharmuta

Despite recent events tearing republicans apart, let us have a moment of thanks that we will have a first lady we all can agree to enjoy snarking for years to come.

Yeah? I wanna know what she's going to do in this administration. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she's going to just take care of the kids and gossip with her mother.

What is Michelle's agenda? and how much power is Barack going to give her?

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:20:18am

re: #441 galloping granny

Shouldn't that be "don'tcha know"?

447 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:20:27am

re: #415 Lucius Septimius

I read this morning that Obama got 40,000 fewer votes in Ohio than Kerry did. He won because Republicans stayed home.

Imagine if he had picked Lieberman as some in his campaign had hoped? Idiots.

448 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:21:47am

re: #412 Sharmuta

The more I think on that supposed zogby poll, the more suspicious I'm getting. Don't you think that would have been relayed to another source by now if it's a couple days old?

What's that? Please.

449 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:23:00am

re: #442 nonic

galloping granny

I've got another recommendation for you. "World War I, the Complete Story," narrated by Robert Ryan, put out by CBS News, over 10 hours, all archival footage, and a broader canvas, more of the contextual history. Very good. Except that the DVD isn't all that easy to navigate, but the content is good.

Is it this one? [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Arriving about 12:30

450 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:24:06am

re: #415 Lucius Septimius

That was true nationally as well. Nationally, Obama only received 400,000 more votes than Bush in 2004. McCain received 7 million fewer.

Conclusion: Obama got his base out. The GOP failed to get its base out.

I personally think the financial "disaster" and Paulson's "hair on fire" response just two months before the election tanked McCain in any event. McCain's response ("suspend the campaign") was more than inept. It poured gasoline on the flames. You wanted to calm main street, not frighten it.

451 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:24:18am

Good morning folks.

Should be a strange day on the market. The Nikkei and HangSeng dropped again 1% to 2% overnight, while at the same time the DOW, S&P and NASDAQ futures are slightly up.

We are in a very bearish mood in the market where at the least thing, a sell wave hits. There is not a whole lot of good news out there. I suspect we are going to see one more large sell of wave in the next week or two to reach what the technical analysts call"capitulation".

Some good news though is the NYT continues to swirl around the drain, with their stock price hitting a nnew low of $8.12 yesterday.

Oil is down to $58.38 and I bought gas the other day for $1.94 a gallon.

452 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:24:21am

curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem? re: #400 Sharmuta

He really needs to get his own nic, Dad.

453 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:26:20am

re: #435 Rancher

Weak-ass defense of Sarah by McCain on Leno last night.

"These things happen in campaigns."

"I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisers...A top adviser said? ... I've never even heard of ... a top adviser or a high-ranking Republican official...I have a thousand top advisors."

He knows who was spreading that bull.

This would have ended in 5 seconds if he had held a press conference, denied the stories, and said that he will find out whoever is spreading the rumors and they will never work in Washington again.

454 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:26:35am

re: #448 nonic

What's that? Please.

This.

455 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:27:08am

re: #452 apachegunner

Shouldn't be a problem. I have logged in using two nics in two different browsers. Did it just to test something, and to *cough*correct a mistake*cough*.

/got a back up just because the nic was too cool to pass up.

456 NC State of Mind  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:27:35am

re: #452 apachegunner

curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem?

I thought you did that and he blocked your other name. Or was that someone else?

457 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:28:06am

re: #455 BlueCanuck
yeah, I did to for awhile but the big guy cut me off. remember ratso?

458 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:28:39am

re: #452 apachegunner

curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem?

I'm just waiting to get in trouble for that, too.

459 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:09am

re: #458 Rancher
well, I won't tell :>)

460 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:10am

re: #456 NC State of Mind

I thought you did that and he blocked your other name. Or was that someone else?

I guess it depends on how they are used. If you use it as a troll or moby, and the other as support. . . . .. . . *WHAM* Door gets shut.

461 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:16am

re: #453 3 wood

McCain's failure to defend Palin demonstrates that "honor" is not such a big thing for him any more. The GOP picked a flawed vessel.

462 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:29:42am

re: #450 quickjustice

McCain's response ("suspend the campaign") was more than inept. It poured gasoline on the flames. You wanted to calm main street, not frighten it.

When McCain did that I came on LGF and said that McCain had screwed the pooch. I know some people here were not happy with that comment, but now we can see it was true.

He put the market crash on his back and raised expectations of a quick fix, which was impossible to do.

463 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:30:14am

re: #460 BlueCanuck
wait a minute, i never used the second handle for anything other than chat with the fellow green people.

464 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:30:56am

hey 3, what's the market today huh?

465 Empire1  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:31:09am

Good morning, all! I need to take advantage of the Lizard Knowledge Base, if you don't mind.

I'm getting back into oil painting (don't have much talent, but it's fun), and have seen mention of water-mixable oils that don't require turpentine or other nasties for clean-up. (And you can also get them out of clothing and dog fur!) Have any of you used them? What do you think of them? I've got some standard oils left over from my last foray into this, but if the water-mixables are any good, I'd happily switch.

466 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:31:20am

re: #450 quickjustice

That was true nationally as well. Nationally, Obama only received 400,000 more votes than Bush in 2004. McCain received 7 million fewer.

Conclusion: Obama got his base out. The GOP failed to get its base out.

I personally think the financial "disaster" and Paulson's "hair on fire" response just two months before the election tanked McCain in any event. McCain's response ("suspend the campaign") was more than inept. It poured gasoline on the flames. You wanted to calm main street, not frighten it.

What tanked McCain's campaign was not that he rushed off to Washington, it was that he pushed through the biggest bailout in US history, one that more than 80% of Americans were against. Had he stood
against the bailout bill he would have won by a landslide.

467 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:31:55am

re: #465 Empire1

my wife is a portrait artist and she loves them

468 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:32:52am

re: #462 3 wood

And he also failed to place the blame squarly where it belonged, instead he put out that "Wall Street greed" crap, which I guess was you 3 wood.

469 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:33:29am

re: #452 apachegunner

curious how the big lizard would handle two names on the same IP, would that pose a problem?

I know of several sets of lizards who happen to have the same IP number because they are parent/child or husband/wife.

470 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:33:48am

re: #461 quickjustice

McCain's failure to defend Palin demonstrates that "honor" is not such a big thing for him any more. The GOP picked a flawed vessel.

Yep, it reminded me of a sports franchise that is falling apart and puts an old fading star in the field hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.

It was a perfect storm in favor of the Democrats.

But the Dem's will eventually screw up too. Look at yesterday's snafu with leaking details of the private conversation with Bush. The Dem's are so used to running to the spin masters on the New York Pravda, that they do not realize they don;t have to do that anymore.

471 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:34:27am

re: #469 galloping granny

Good.

472 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:34:41am

re: #421 nonic

No, but the DAY AFTER the election? And "dissent" expressed against the VOTERS?

There was fear in police departments in big cities that there might be riots if Obama did not win the election. If there had been, you could call that "dissent," too. But I would call it really bad behavior, chaos, and anti-democratic mob rule.

To me, it is a sacred right of Americans to protest. Once it turns into a riot, though, it's no longer purely protest.

473 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:35:05am

re: #464 apachegunner

hey 3, what's the market today huh?

See my 451.

Not good.

474 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:35:09am

re: #469 galloping granny
yes, that should be the way i would think but when charles runs that setup those will appear, how would he know?

475 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:35:29am

re: #431 nonic

Wasn't one of the kids dressed in black? I mean, who dresses a little girl in black? Not even at a funeral.

One was dressed in black, the other in red.

476 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:36:10am

re: #468 Rancher

And he also failed to place the blame squarly where it belonged, instead he put out that "Wall Street greed" crap, which I guess was you 3 wood.

Yep, it's all my fault.

477 windhorse  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:36:18am

re: #461 quickjustice

you hit the nail squarely on the head!

478 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:08am

re: #445 nonic

Yeah? I wanna know what she's going to do in this administration. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she's going to just take care of the kids and gossip with her mother.

What is Michelle's agenda? and how much power is Barack going to give her?

I doubt they'll be upfront about it seeing how badly HRC's role was recieved.

479 BlueCanuck  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:10am

re: #457 apachegunner

Oh, yeah. Well I only use mine in special circumsances, and only logged on one at a time.

Gotta go relief is here. Stay scaly folks.

480 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:17am

re: #474 apachegunner

yes, that should be the way i would think but when charles runs that setup those will appear, how would he know?

He might just ask - he does have email addresses, after all. Or he might just watch the postings - usually pretty apparent that it is two different people. Socks, mobys and trolls are usually pretty apparent anyway. They don't post much. Show up having "been here a year or more" with 30 postings to their name.

481 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:53am

re: #466 galloping granny

The trouble with "what if" scenarios is that we'll never know for sure. Had I been advising McCain, I would have told him to condemn the bailout as the wrong approach to a very real financial crisis, damning Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Obama, Dodd, Frank, and the rest. I also would have said that there needed to be a rescue that respected moral hazard, but that this was not it.

Trouble with that approach: The Bush Administration was in charge, and it was their guy Paulson who was setting the barn on fire. Tough for McCain to attack his own President credibly.

482 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:37:54am

re: #449 galloping granny

That one's good, too. But the one I'm watching now is this one [Link: www.amazon.com...]

Incidentally, remember when I said I didn't understand why the US got involved? Well, as it happened, while watching the first series (the one you linked to), I had somehow missed the whole disc with the sinking of the Lusitania on it. So I went back and watched that and got a little more understanding.

Although, as (I think it was Lizardo who said), that was in 1915 and Wilson strongly discouraged entering the war after it. It wasn't until the Zimmerman telegram (as Lizardo? said), showing that the Germans were trying to get Mexico to invade the US, that the Americans got sufficiently riled up.

However, my opinion (so far) is that Mexico had its own problems (revolution) at the time and was not a serious threat, .......... and the REAL reason was that the American government, American financial institutions, and financiers had lent a lot of money to the Allies in Europe, and the only way they were going to get it back was if the Allies won.

483 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:38:19am

re: #473 3 wood

damn

484 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:38:42am

re: #454 Rancher

Thanks.

485 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:40:03am

re: #475 MandyManners
there was a lizard who observed the other dress as very much like a black widow, how appropriate huh?

486 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:40:05am

re: #476 3 wood

Imagine greedy Wall Street wanting to get a maximum return for their investors instead of spreading the wealth! And this from our candidate!

487 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:40:16am

re: #481 quickjustice

The trouble with "what if" scenarios is that we'll never know for sure. Had I been advising McCain, I would have told him to condemn the bailout as the wrong approach to a very real financial crisis, damning Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Obama, Dodd, Frank, and the rest. I also would have said that there needed to be a rescue that respected moral hazard, but that this was not it.

Trouble with that approach: The Bush Administration was in charge, and it was their guy Paulson who was setting the barn on fire. Tough for McCain to attack his own President credibly.

After the American people showed themselves to be overwhelmingly against the bailout he should have respected that - and would have won if he had.

McCain had only two choices - support Bush and confirm that he was just Bush III or go against "his own President." He knew that going into the campaign. Should have had the guts to distance himself of the biggest issue that has come up in many a decade.

488 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:41:37am

re: #466 galloping granny

Had he stood against the bailout bill he would have won by a landslide.

In retrospect I doubt there was anything McCain could have done to win by a landslide. Do the same polls which I assume gave you that 80% statistic support your interesting theory?

489 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:41:43am

re: #296 MandyManners

How can one wish to impose servitude on Americans and not despise America?


I think the well intentioned fools see it as something akin to a draft in WWII when the entire citizenry was mobilized in response to a threat to national security.

But they miss the point.

National Defense is specifically outlined as a constitutional role of the national government, cleaning up streets and communities is a role best left to local communities.

490 BaseballMom57  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:42:15am

Charles - the poppy and the flag added to the banner is very cool!

491 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:43:30am

re: #485 apachegunner

there was a lizard who observed the other dress as very much like a black widow, how appropriate huh?

Don't black widows kill their mates? I doubt the USSS would appreciate that very much.

492 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:43:47am

re: #482 nonic

That one's good, too. But the one I'm watching now is this one [Link: www.amazon.com...]

Incidentally, remember when I said I didn't understand why the US got involved? Well, as it happened, while watching the first series (the one you linked to), I had somehow missed the whole disc with the sinking of the Lusitania on it. So I went back and watched that and got a little more understanding.

Although, as (I think it was Lizardo who said), that was in 1915 and Wilson strongly discouraged entering the war after it. It wasn't until the Zimmerman telegram (as Lizardo? said), showing that the Germans were trying to get Mexico to invade the US, that the Americans got sufficiently riled up.

However, my opinion (so far) is that Mexico had its own problems (revolution) at the time and was not a serious threat, .......... and the REAL reason was that the American government, American financial institutions, and financiers had lent a lot of money to the Allies in Europe, and the only way they were going to get it back was if the Allies won.

Funny how things come together, isn't it?
I'll see if I can find that one online or to download somewhere. I've about used up my DVD budget for the present.

493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:44:02am

Morning Wood!

Markets and stuff don't understand 'em. But I do not remember a year in my adult life that GM/Ford/Chrysler had a great year.

Haven't the big three been staving off death for 30 years? Am I totally wrong?

Chrysler had a "decent" run under Iacocca. Pretty much it though. I'd like to know how they can re-create without just filing/re-organizing.

494 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:45:23am

re: #458 Rancher

I'm just waiting to get in trouble for that, too.

Just send Charles an email- he's usually pretty understanding. Also- Rustler's pretty good about saying when it's him and not you. But clearing it with the Big Guy's always a good idea, you know?

495 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:45:42am

President-elect Obama is apparently being sent advice from the terrorists:

Taliban to Obama: Withdraw U.S. Troops From Iraq, Afghanistan

NEW YORK -- Taliban insurgents battling the U.S.-backed Afghan government urged President-elect Barack Obama to change course in U.S. foreign policy and withdraw American troops from both Afghanistan and Iraq, an Internet monitoring service said Tuesday.

The message posted on a Web site used by the Taliban claimed Obama's victory "reveals the collective willingness of American people not to continue the current despicable and anti-human wars in Afghanistan and Iraq," SITE Intelligence Group said.

And they want to make a deal:

Three days after the election, two Iraqi insurgent groups posted separate Internet messages reported by SITE calling on Obama to withdraw troops from Iraq. Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, self-styled head of the Al Qaeda front group Islamic State of Iraq, said "You do not interfere in the affairs of our countries. We, in turn, will not prevent commerce with you, whether it is in oil or otherwise."

The authors claimed that Obama had promised to end Bush's policies pledging to "recover the dwindling American economy and find a niche in the comity of nations."

Well, maybe Obama can dispatch his friend Bill Ayers to meet with these other terrorists to hammer out a deal.

You know, terrorist to terrorist.

496 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:45:47am

yes mandy, killing her mate might mean something such as killing his presidency with her mouth re: #491 MandyManners

497 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:46:06am

re: #489 shanec99

I think the well intentioned fools see it as something akin to a draft in WWII when the entire citizenry was mobilized in response to a threat to national security.

But they miss the point.

National Defense is specifically outlined as a constitutional role of the national government, cleaning up streets and communities is a role best left to local communities.

Rahm Emanuel saw a role in helping address another terrorist attack or cleaning up after another Katrina.

498 BaseballMom57  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:46:06am

re: #465 Empire1

My M-I-L uses them, and she likes them a lot. As far as appearance, I can't tell the difference between the water mixables and the oil-based. She says the water mixables are quite a bit more spendy, though.

499 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:47:18am

re: #496 apachegunner

yes mandy, killing her mate might mean something such as killing his presidency with her mouth

Ahhhhhhhhhh.... I hadn't thought about that. Good point.

500 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:48:08am

re: #486 Rancher

Imagine greedy Wall Street wanting to get a maximum return for their investors instead of spreading the wealth! And this from our candidate!

I guess I will have to be sent to a re-education camp.

Sounds like McCain is already getting with the new program. Blame commerce, free enterprise, and profit making.

501 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:48:41am

re: #494 Sharmuta

Good proactive approach, I'll do that.

502 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:48:56am

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Detroit invented their business model for the post-WWII generation. Different "brands" for different socio-economic strata. "Chevy" was cheaper than "Oldsmobile", which in turn was cheaper than "Buick". And Cadillac was king.

They never changed, even in the face of foreign competition that eventually overwhelmed them with better quality and better value. A bailout won't save them. It'll merely squander taxpayer dollars trying to keep the Titanic afloat.

503 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:49:12am

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morning Wood!

Markets and stuff don't understand 'em. But I do not remember a year in my adult life that GM/Ford/Chrysler had a great year.

Haven't the big three been staving off death for 30 years? Am I totally wrong?

Chrysler had a "decent" run under Iacocca. Pretty much it though. I'd like to know how they can re-create without just filing/re-organizing.

Me either. And haven't they been filing and re-organizing for some time now? American auto manufacturers just don't get it (too bad as old Henry laid it out for them in spades) - we want a quality product that will still be running when it is paid for and we want it at a low price. Above all, though, we want quality. As long as the premium for quality is a few thousand bucks between a Toyota or Honda and a Ford or Chevy, Honda and Toyota carry the biggest bang for the buck.

If they want to sell a low quality product, then they need to do it at Dollar Store pricing.

504 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:50:56am

re: #502 quickjustice
we are bailing out the unions health benefits and pensions thats all it is

505 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:51:54am

re: #500 3 wood

I guess I will have to be sent to a re-education camp.

Sounds like McCain is already getting with the new program. Blame commerce, free enterprise, and profit making.

My heart sank when I saw him and Palin doing that. It was as if they didn't think the voters were smart enough to understand complexities, instead prefering to go into sound-bite mode.

506 nonic  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:53:37am

Bye, all, have a good day. :-)

507 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:53:38am

As far as bailing out the Big Three it will be money down a hole that won't be repaid like the Chrysler loan because they will still be burdened by the union pensions. Some sort of limited bankruptcy deal should be brokered that eliminates that but no way will this congress or Obama allow it, they owe the unions too much.

508 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:54:17am

Will WAB's mom get Secret Service protection? Other than Pres. Bush's parents for obvious reasons, have other in-laws had it?

509 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:54:36am

re: #504 apachegunner

You're correct. Although part of the deal Detroit struck with Big Labor in the 1950s was generous pensions and employee welfare plans in exchange for labor peace. That deal was sustainable only as long as Detroit was profitable.

The unions benefited from their bargain for fifty years. Now it's not sustainable, with or without a bailout.

510 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:55:11am

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Morning Wood!

Markets and stuff don't understand 'em. But I do not remember a year in my adult life that GM/Ford/Chrysler had a great year.

Haven't the big three been staving off death for 30 years? Am I totally wrong?

Chrysler had a "decent" run under Iacocca. Pretty much it though. I'd like to know how they can re-create without just filing/re-organizing.

Back in the 70's and 80's management negotiated a bunch of labor contracts that provided some very rich benefits to retirees. That would not have been a problem if they had then set aside the cost of those obligations in an escrow account to pay for it today, but they did not mainly cause the ones who negotiated the deals knew they would not be around either to have to pay for it. It's called "buying a contract."

I don't blame labor, I'd have taken the deals too, they were so good.

But now these "legacy costs" are coming due as all those workers are now retired, cashing in on the benefits, and the auto makers have no money to pay them.

So we have a difficult choice. Let the auto makers go bust and deal with the resulting problems for their retirees, or prop them up so hopefully they cna recover and pay off these legacy costs themselves.

Myself, I think we have to stop propong up broken companies.

Keeping the financial system solvent is one thing, helping out individual businesses is something else.

511 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:55:55am

re: #508 MandyManners

Will WAB's mom get Secret Service protection? Other than Pres. Bush's parents for obvious reasons, have other in-laws had it?

Yes. Standard.

512 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:55:59am

re: #505 MandyManners

My heart sank when I saw him and Palin doing that. It was as if they didn't think the voters were smart enough to understand complexities, instead preferring to go into sound-bite mode.

I think Sarah had a real problem with that but she was a loyal soldier. Too bad McCain isn't as loyal to her.

513 windhorse  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:56:37am

Our country will continue to nosedive until we eradicate the entire entitlement thing...... unions are entitled to blah-blah-blah (hand outstretched, palm up....waiting). Poor, disenfranchised (spelled l-a-z-y) people are entitled to blah-blah-blah..... (hand outstretched, palm up... waiting). Investment bankers, automakers.....etc. etc. etc.

At the risk of sounding heartless, these should all be stopped and our society "reducated" in a meaningful way.... you know, eight hours pay for eight hours of work, quality and pride in workmanship, loyalty (in both directions) - the old fashioned way.

How can anyone feel sorry for the automakers (for example) who have (like everyone else) shipped so many jobs overseas ALL FOR THE SAKE OF THE BOTTOM LINE.... and they still cannot keep their heads above water. And we are supposed to bail them out?

I refuse to buy anything but American autos..... but I'll be damned if I am going to ALSO bail them out.....

514 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:56:38am

Got to head off to work

Later.

515 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:56:40am

re: #508 MandyManners

Will WAB's mom get Secret Service protection? Other than Pres. Bush's parents for obvious reasons, have other in-laws had it?

She will at least by proxy now, won't she?

516 windhorse  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:57:55am

re: #513 windhorse

oh yeah.... speaking of entitlements..... the mother-in-law bs should never happen.

517 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:58:01am

re: #511 galloping granny

Yes. Standard.

I had no idea.

518 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:58:55am

re: #509 quickjustice

You're correct. Although part of the deal Detroit struck with Big Labor in the 1950s was generous pensions and employee welfare plans in exchange for labor peace. That deal was sustainable only as long as Detroit was profitable.

The unions benefited from their bargain for fifty years. Now it's not sustainable, with or without a bailout.

And it has not really been sustainable since the first gas crisis hit in the 70's. For a very short period of time Detroit tried on a couple of smaller car models with much better gas mileage, but that was thrown to the four winds within a decade or so. I laugh when I hear them tout "better gas mileage - 30 miles to the gallon!" Better than what? My Pinto got 40 or 50 miles to the gallon and my Yugo got nearly 60 - in town. For that matter, the American cars I drove in the 60s got 20+

519 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 4:59:30am

Am having trouble understanding the objection to having Michelle Obama's mother move into the White House. Do we think what this 70-year-old woman eats is going to add significantly to the WH grocery bill?

520 Empire1  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:00:21am

re: #467 apachegunner

my wife is a portrait artist and she loves them

Thanks! That's one mark in the "switch" category.

521 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:00:35am

re: #517 MandyManners

I had no idea.

Think about the bargaining chip the kidnap of the parent of a sitting president would make. . . . .

522 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:00:50am

re: #515 Sharmuta

She will at least by proxy now, won't she?

More than previous in-laws due to her living in the WH?

523 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:01:37am

re: #521 galloping granny

Think about the bargaining chip the kidnap of the parent of a sitting president would make. . . . .

What about his in-laws?

524 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:08am

re: #519 JustMyView

Am having trouble understanding the objection to having Michelle Obama's mother move into the White House. Do we think what this 70-year-old woman eats is going to add significantly to the WH grocery bill?

I don't have any problem with it. Quite apparently she had been raising her grandchildren while WAB works, like many other grandparents these days. Including me. Those children are about to lose their home, their friends, and their freedom. They should not lose their primary caretaker too.

525 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:27am

re: #523 MandyManners

What about his in-laws?

Dumb question now that I think about it.

How far does it extend? First cousins okay? What about aunts and uncles? Siblings?

526 x-wing  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:55am

re: #521 galloping granny

Think about the bargaining chip the kidnap of the parent of a sitting president would make. . . . .

What about a doped up half brother living in Kenya on two bucks a day?

That shit happens alot in Columbia.

527 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:02:56am

re: #524 galloping granny

I don't have any problem with it. Quite apparently she had been raising her grandchildren while WAB works, like many other grandparents these days. Including me. Those children are about to lose their home, their friends, and their freedom. They should not lose their primary caretaker too.

I hadn't thought of it that way.

528 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:17am

re: #523 MandyManners

What about his in-laws?

I don't know how far out it extends, but SS protection does cover immediate family, including the immediate family of the president's spouse.

Also some other key government figures and their families.

529 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:45am

re: #519 JustMyView

I think it will be nice the girls will have their grandmother close. Their lives under the microscope are about to get a lot more intense and that can be hard on kids- especially girls.

530 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:03:53am

re: #526 x-wing

What about a doped up half brother living in Kenya on two bucks a day?

That shit happens alot in Columbia.

How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?

531 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:29am

re: #529 Sharmuta

I think it will be nice the girls will have their grandmother close. Their lives under the microscope are about to get a lot more intense and that can be hard on kids- especially girls.

But, hey! They've been invited to appear on Hannah Montana!

532 windhorse  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:31am

re: #529 Sharmuta

I agree..... I take back my last comment if the Grandma is helping with the kids.

533 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:57am

re: #519 JustMyView

Jimmy Carter had brother Billy, Miss Lillian, and the rest of his family wandering around the White House. (Anyone remember "Billy Beer"?) Why shouldn't Michelle's mama, and the rest of Obama's family, including his illegal aunt up in Boston, and his half-brother in Kenya, move into the White [Plantation] House as well?

534 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:04:58am

re: #526 x-wing

Pppfffffttttt! Yes- I demand SS protection for George!

535 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:05:17am

re: #528 galloping granny

I don't know how far out it extends, but SS protection does cover immediate family, including the immediate family of the president's spouse.

Also some other key government figures and their families.

Speakers of the House/Senate? Heads of the cabinet?

536 NC State of Mind  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:05:40am

re: #530 MandyManners

How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?

Jeremiah Wright? He did say he could no more disown him than he could a member of his family.

But Wright would never live in a 'white' house, so we're good on that one.

537 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:06:05am

re: #523 MandyManners

What about his in-laws?

Ever see Ruthless People?

Barbara: So, when do I get out of here?
Sandy: As soon as Mr. Stone pays the ransom.
Barbara: What's the problem? What is the ransom?
Sandy: Well, we asked for $500,000.
Barbara: That should be no problem.
Sandy: He wouldn't pay.
Barbara: He wouldn't pay?
Sandy: Then we asked him for $50,000.
Barbara: Yeah?
Sandy: He still wouldn't pay. So now we're lowering our price to $10,000.
Barbara: Do I understand this correctly? I'm being marked down?
[Starts crying]
Barbara: I've been kidnapped by K-Mart!

538 x-wing  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:06:18am

re: #530 MandyManners

How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?

That's why I asked. He has alot of family in a very poor country, and someone just might want to get "paid". This could turn into a nightmare.

539 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:01am

re: #536 NC State of Mind

Jeremiah Wright? He did say he could no more disown him than he could a member of his family.

But Wright would never live in a 'white' house, so we're good on that one.

He already lives in a gated community.

540 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:14am

re: #530 MandyManners

How can we protect someone in Kenya? Move him here? What about his other siblings? A CBBHO-Family Compound?

Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list of who's eligible.

541 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:23am

re: #537 Rancher

Ever see Ruthless People?

Barbara: So, when do I get out of here?
Sandy: As soon as Mr. Stone pays the ransom.
Barbara: What's the problem? What is the ransom?
Sandy: Well, we asked for $500,000.
Barbara: That should be no problem.
Sandy: He wouldn't pay.
Barbara: He wouldn't pay?
Sandy: Then we asked him for $50,000.
Barbara: Yeah?
Sandy: He still wouldn't pay. So now we're lowering our price to $10,000.
Barbara: Do I understand this correctly? I'm being marked down?
[Starts crying]
Barbara: I've been kidnapped by K-Mart!

Bette Middler was priceless.

542 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:41am

re: #538 x-wing

That's why I asked. He has alot of family in a very poor country, and someone just might want to get "paid". This could turn into a nightmare.

Oh, the logistics!

543 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:07:51am

re: #465 Empire1

i am a wood block print maker and use oil based printing ink i have tried the water based stuff which comes in two vastly different quality levels one kind is just really for children in schools and is of a poor quality, the more professional kind still isn't as good as oil based printers ink.

now if i were to print using the japanese method which is all water based using a form of water color as the ink. But i learned using western methods and like them.

544 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:08:07am

re: #519 JustMyView

Am having trouble understanding the objection to having Michelle Obama's mother move into the White House. Do we think what this 70-year-old woman eats is going to add significantly to the WH grocery bill?

When we start butting into people's private lives we infringe on thier personal liberty to go about thier lives without interferance.

Objecting to a woman having her mother live with her is just plain nasty and petty.

What would they rather, would they rather Mrs. Obama put her in a nursing home.

Good Lord, leave the woman and her personal family decisions alone. People private lives are their own. Stop acting like damned liberals, we cannot one moment call ourselves conservatives and pretend to be committed to personal liberty and the next moment interfere with people's lives because it gets us some cheap political points.

good grief.

545 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:08:20am

re: #535 MandyManners

Speakers of the House/Senate? Heads of the cabinet?

Any one in the line for the presidency. Not just that though.
Foreign dignitaries and heads of states. Key government employees. Depends on the circumstances.

546 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:08:35am

re: #518 galloping granny
speaking of gas prices I am betting the off shore drilling ban will be put back in place shortly and a federal tax of 1 to 2 dollars per gallon follows closely. these prices are too low for the libs and greeners and now will be there chance.

547 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:09:17am

re: #540 JustMyView

Thank you, JMV- I actually learned something from you.

548 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:09:32am

re: #519 JustMyView
the nobama clan has to pay for the groceries in the white house, they are not free with the job.

549 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:10:34am

re: #548 apachegunner

This calls for legislation!


/sarc

550 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:11:22am

re: #541 MandyManners

Bette Middler was priceless.

So was Danny DeVito. "I love wrong numbers."

551 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:11:40am

re: #544 shanec99

When we start butting into people's private lives we infringe on thier personal liberty to go about thier lives without interferance.

Objecting to a woman having her mother live with her is just plain nasty and petty.

What would they rather, would they rather Mrs. Obama put her in a nursing home.

Good Lord, leave the woman and her personal family decisions alone. People private lives are their own. Stop acting like damned liberals, we cannot one moment call ourselves conservatives and pretend to be committed to personal liberty and the next moment interfere with people's lives because it gets us some cheap political points.

good grief.

Don't you lose a huge amount of privacy when you run for the highest office in the land?

552 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:11:53am

re: #545 galloping granny

Any one in the line for the presidency. Not just that though.
Foreign dignitaries and heads of states. Key government employees. Depends on the circumstances.

I've no problem with that.

553 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:10am

re: #548 apachegunner

the nobama clan has to pay for the groceries in the white house, they are not free with the job.

Really? Are you sure?

554 NC State of Mind  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:12am

re: #540 JustMyView

Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list of who's eligible.

Children of former presidents are only granted protection up until age 16? That's a little suprising. I thought I heard something about Chelsea having protection in a story about her boyfriend/fiancee not too many years ago

555 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:28am

re: #550 Rancher

So was Danny DeVito. "I love wrong numbers."

His height is a large part of his charm.

556 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:32am

re: #552 MandyManners

Mandy- JMV linked to the USSS and who they protect in #540.

557 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:12:45am

re: #547 Sharmuta

Thank you, JMV- I actually learned something from you.

Always happy to help.

558 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:11am

re: #548 apachegunner

the nobama clan has to pay for the groceries in the white house, they are not free with the job.

First families are given a chunk of change to spend as they see fit.

559 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:26am

re: #556 Sharmuta

Mandy- JMV linked to the USSS and who they protect in #540.

Musta' missed it.

560 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:47am

Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?

561 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:50am

re: #551 MandyManners

Don't you lose a huge amount of privacy when you run for the highest office in the land?

Yes you do, so why should we take even more from them.

Decency demands that we behave appropriately, leave the woman and her mom alone. If the woman wants to have her mom live with her that should be her business. No body elses.

562 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:13:54am

re: #554 NC State of Mind

Children of former presidents are only granted protection up until age 16? That's a little suprising. I thought I heard something about Chelsea having protection in a story about her boyfriend/fiancee not too many years ago

Please note the line that says "others by Executive Order."

563 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:04am

re: #553 JustMyView
yes, nobama will receive a monthly bill for groceries, as did all the presidents before him

564 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:18am

re: #557 JustMyView

If we ever had a poll on best mannered troll, you would win in a landslide.

565 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:23am

re: #560 christheprofessor

Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?

Nope. YOu need a reboot.

566 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:25am

re: #540 JustMyView

Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list of who's eligible.

Why does the protection stop at the age of 16 for kids of former presidents? That makes no sense at all. Sixteen is not an adult.

567 Empire1  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:35am

re: #498 BaseballMom57

My M-I-L uses them, and she likes them a lot. As far as appearance, I can't tell the difference between the water mixables and the oil-based. She says the water mixables are quite a bit more spendy, though.

That's two! And the prices I saw at Michael's or in the Blick catalog were about the same for the regular and the water mixable were about the same. We don't have a real art store in the area, though, so I have no idea what they'd be there.

Thanks for the info!

568 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:14:47am

re: #560 christheprofessor

Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?

Hit reload the next time you get back to this page.

569 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:26am

re: #559 MandyManners

Here Mandy-

[Link: www.secretservice.gov...]

* The president, the vice president, (or other individuals next in order of succession to the Office of the President), the president-elect and vice president-elect
* The immediate families of the above individuals
* Former presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes, except when the spouse remarries. In 1997, Congressional legislation became effective limiting Secret Service protection to former presidents for a period of not more than 10 years from the date the former president leaves office
* Children of former presidents until age 16
* Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad
* Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
* Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President
* National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security

570 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:33am

re: #564 Sharmuta

If we ever had a poll on best mannered troll, you would win in a landslide.

Great line. You gave me a good laugh.

571 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:44am

re: #561 shanec99

Yes you do, so why should we take even more from them.

Decency demands that we behave appropriately, leave the woman and her mom alone. If the woman wants to have her mom live with her that should be her business. No body elses.

Well, it is our business to the extent that it is our house, too. But, I'm in agreement with you for the most part.

572 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:48am

re: #566 MandyManners

Why does the protection stop at the age of 16 for kids of former presidents? That makes no sense at all. Sixteen is not an adult.

so the kids can get laid and smoke dope?

/

573 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:15:50am

Gotta scoot for a bit- see you Folks later.

574 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:16:18am

re: #4 Outrider

Albuquerque isn't it? Midnight express?

depends how you look at it...nowhere is better than somewhere for me

I go back east to visit friends and party up and down I-95...after a coupla weeks I'm happy to get back to albuquerque...I just dont see how people can live peacefully in such a frantic environment...new mexico has the friendliest, most polite, good natured citizenry than anywhere I've ever lived or travelled...political ideology means little out on the high table lands...hospitality and some old fashioned patriotism is token enough...code pinkers would probably be 'misunderstood' out here...and for the uninformed santa fe is an embarassment to many new mexicans...too many coloradans and californians...we have that disease out here too...

575 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:16:18am

re: #570 JustMyView

I'm glad. Have a nice day.

576 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:16:36am

re: #560 christheprofessor

Is anybody else still having a problem of the home page reloading whenever they click on the "reply" button?

Yes, for a while now.

577 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:16:54am

Look at the time! Gotta' get going. bbl

578 NC State of Mind  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:17:20am

re: #566 MandyManners

Why does the protection stop at the age of 16 for kids of former presidents? That makes no sense at all. Sixteen is not an adult.

See #562. I had the same question.

579 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:03am

re: #540 JustMyView

Presidential siblings don't get SS protection. I've never heard that GWB's sister and brothers are protected or that Roger Clinton was. I don't think parents usually are either. Here's a list

of who's eligiOther individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President ble.

from said list;

580 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:07am

re: #574 albusteve

depends how you look at it...nowhere is better than somewhere for me

I go back east to visit friends and party up and down I-95...after a coupla weeks I'm happy to get back to albuquerque...I just dont see how people can live peacefully in such a frantic environment...new mexico has the friendliest, most polite, good natured citizenry than anywhere I've ever lived or travelled...political ideology means little out on the high table lands...hospitality and some old fashioned patriotism is token enough...code pinkers would probably be 'misunderstood' out here...and for the uninformed santa fe is an embarassment to many new mexicans...too many coloradans and californians...we have that disease out here too...

One of my daughters lives in ALB. She has taken each out of state visitor to Santa Fe once and informed us all that we had best not ask to go again or we're on our own! LOL.

581 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:12am

re: #574 albusteve

How far from I-95 to NYC and back? Is a side trip to see the Intrepid possible in a day? My girl's parents live near UConn and we're going up for turkey day from Pittsburgh.

582 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:30am

Marxism will make all the song equal. There will be no need for birds to sing. We won't hear them any longer for the hailing to our new Commander in Chief.
Collectivism makes the song irrelevant, it's the EFFORTS of all combined together that makes the song worthy.

And on Fox front page today Washington DC is running anti- Xmas bus ads that say:

Why believe in a god?

583 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:18:57am

re: #563 apachegunner

yes, nobama will receive a monthly bill for groceries, as did all the presidents before him

Very interesting. I had always assumed their living costs would be subsumed into the cost of running the White House. What about other personal expenses such as laundry and dry cleaning? Also, what's your source on this?

584 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:19:20am

re: #571 MandyManners

Well, it is our business to the extent that it is our house, too. But, I'm in agreement with you for the most part.

I would expect an objection to a family's living arrangement to come from a Liberal if it involved caring for ones parents. Conservatives know and are concerned about the preservation of families. It is why this whole concern with this woman's private live astounds me in this venue.

585 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:19:49am

#565 galloping granny

Thanks, but I've tried rebooting before, to no effect. MM's reloading of the thread seems to have done the trick, though...

re: #568 MandyManners

That seems to have fixed it. Thanks!

586 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:20:16am

Good morning Lizards...............

587 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:01am

re: #576 Rancher

Yes, for a while now.

Mandy's suggestion to reload the page seems to have fixed the problem for me.

588 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:28am

Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President

a bit garbled on my last post. so it can be almost anyone.

589 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:47am

re: #582 notutopia

Marxism will make all the song equal. There will be no need for birds to sing. We won't hear them any longer for the hailing to our new Commander in Chief.
Collectivism makes the song irrelevant, it's the EFFORTS of all combined together that makes the song worthy.

And on Fox front page today Washington DC is running anti- Xmas bus ads that say:

Why believe in a god?

The whole "Be good for the sake of being good" thing is a great message, but the stuff about not needing to believe in a God is ridiculous.

590 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:21:55am

re: #588 yochanan

Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President

a bit garbled on my last post. so it can be almost anyone.

Exactly.

591 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:23:17am

re: #582 notutopia

Marxism will make all the song equal. There will be no need for birds to sing. We won't hear them any longer for the hailing to our new Commander in Chief.
Collectivism makes the song irrelevant, it's the EFFORTS of all combined together that makes the song worthy.

And on Fox front page today Washington DC is running anti- Xmas bus ads that say:

well equal time i guess SINCE IN CHICAGOSTAN THE BUSES HAVE BIG ADS FOR MUSLIM'S ALLAH.

Why believe in a god?

592 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:24:34am

re: #589 TheMatrix31

There are many who claim to be atheist who are in fact antitheist. It's a complete disdain for spirituality.

593 Empire1  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:24:58am

re: #543 yochanan

i am a wood block print maker and use oil based printing ink i have tried the water based stuff which comes in two vastly different quality levels one kind is just really for children in schools and is of a poor quality, the more professional kind still isn't as good as oil based printers ink.

I'm not sure how block printing would transfer to the type of painting I'm doing, but I'll keep that in mind. And I'd be useing the artist-quality, for the same reason I buy the best brushes I can afford.

594 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:25:02am

And it was extra offensive since the MUSLIM AD said ABRAHAM, MOSE, AND JESUS were all muslims. i sure wanted to deface the ad but would more than likely get arrested for do it.

595 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:25:44am

Good Morning Lizards!
Coffee is on Dorian..we be doing da Kona bra'
How is everyone this fine, chilly day?

596 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:27:30am

re: #594 yochanan

And it was extra offensive since the MUSLIM AD said ABRAHAM, MOSE, AND JESUS were all muslims. i sure wanted to deface the ad but would more than likely get arrested for do it.

I'm dying to know how Abraham & Moses - not to mention Jesus - all of whom lived thousands of years ago, were muslim when islam did not rear its nasty head until 1400 or so years ago.

597 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:27:49am

re: #583 JustMyView

actually I would have to research the subject. it came out while watching fnc over the weekend when talking about what subjects would be discussed during the meeting with bush. house hold expense and yes it was mentioned that the president wears a suit just once and it is sent to the cleaners. there is also a monthly cleaners bill.

598 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:28:03am

re: #593 Empire1

watercolor, gauche and acrylic are all water based oil paint is different and works differently i don't see how the other stuff would be any better.
I used to be a oil painter, and have used water color as well as acrylic. I liked oils the best, then water color really did not like the plastic feel of acrylic.

599 JustMyView  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:29:35am

re: #597 apachegunner

actually I would have to research the subject. it came out while watching fnc over the weekend when talking about what subjects would be discussed during the meeting with bush. house hold expense and yes it was mentioned that the president wears a suit just once and it is sent to the cleaners. there is also a monthly cleaners bill.

OK. Thanks. Interesting to know.

600 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:29:43am

re: #594 yochanan
this was a bus in chicago?

601 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:30:12am

re: #597 apachegunner

actually I would have to research the subject. it came out while watching fnc over the weekend when talking about what subjects would be discussed during the meeting with bush. house hold expense and yes it was mentioned that the president wears a suit just once and it is sent to the cleaners. there is also a monthly cleaners bill.

Also the Congress gives the incoming president 100,000 Dollars for moving in costs and designing fund for decorations.

602 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:30:34am

re: #589 TheMatrix31

The whole "Be good for the sake of being good" thing is a great message, but the stuff about not needing to believe in a God is ridiculous.

The problem is that many people consider it good to steal from others to provide for themselves or their families - especially if they are stealing from a BIG company. They make up whatever ethics they like that enriches them, and then justifies the price paid by others. Every man becomes a law unto himself.

Without standards like the 10 commandments - we're doomed.

603 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:30:38am

re: #574 albusteve

I occasionally would transport inmates to court in Santa Fe and was very entertained at the flow of LLL that went through there while waiting for my inmates to get their hearings.

604 tappin52  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:31:28am

Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:31:36am
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.

— Henry Van Dyke

But I have heard, one out of tune singer ruin a 75 voice choir.

606 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:31:49am

re: #602 DistantThunder

The problem is that many people consider it good to steal from others to provide for themselves or their families - especially if they are stealing from a BIG company. They make up whatever ethics they like that enriches them, and then justifies the price paid by others. Every man becomes a law unto himself.

Without standards like the 10 commandments - we're doomed.

Absolutely.

I loved how they talked about how these non-believers felt "lonely" during the holidays. Too freakin' bad, it's your choice! What the hell do you expect?

607 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:32:07am

re: #604 tappin52

Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.

I've been thinking the same thing for slightly different reasons.

608 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:32:45am

re: #601 HoosierHoops
hiya hoops :>)

609 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:33:40am

I also have problem with "Pay it Forward." It is a much weaker version of "Do Unto Others, as you would have them do unto you."

People may think that they don't have to Pay anything forward because nothing good has happened to them. It is a very passive stance - waiting for a personal justification to do good.

610 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:33:43am

I gots a big drive today. Bout 400 miles. Y'all hope I make some money, I sure do.

611 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:33:47am

re: #608 apachegunner

hiya hoops :>)


Hi Gunner! What's new in your neck of the woods?

612 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:34:17am

re: #600 apachegunner

this was a bus in chicago?

C.T.A. bus in Chicago
paid ad.

613 Empire1  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:32am

re: #598 yochanan

watercolor, gauche and acrylic are all water based oil paint is different and works differently i don't see how the other stuff would be any better.
I used to be a oil painter, and have used water color as well as acrylic. I liked oils the best, then water color really did not like the plastic feel of acrylic.

As I understand it, the water-mixable oils are standard oil paint with a detergent (?) added, and from earlier replies, they handle and look like standard oil paints. I'm a disaster with water colors, and like you, don't particularly like the way acrylics feel or look -- to me, they seem kinda flat.

614 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:49am

I'm here in the frozen North East - while Mr DT is off sailing in Southern California.

My Commandment: Husband owes wife "big time" for holding down the fort.

615 Thanos  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:50am

Gas is $1.61 in KCMO, but it's not going to be there forever...

LONDON (AP) — The International Energy Agency on Wednesday predicted world energy demand will rise 1.6 percent per year on average between 2006 and 2030 and called for massive investment in energy infrastructure to prevent a supply squeeze.

The IEA's base scenario for energy demand has fallen due to the global economic slowdown and higher oil prices, but the agency stressed that a delay in spending on new projects due to the credit crisis could lead to a "supply crunch that could choke economic recovery."

The IEA expects demand for oil to rise from 85 million barrels per day currently to 106 million barrels per day in 2030 — 10 million barrels per day less than projected last year.

China and India continue to be the main drivers, accounting for more than half of incremental energy demand to 2030, but the Middle East, a longtime supplier, also emerges as a major new demand center.

The agency said that these trends call for energy supply investment of $26.3 trillion to 2030, or more than $1 trillion a year, but it noted that tight credit conditions could delay spending.

"While the situation facing the world is critical, it is vital we keep our eye on the medium to long term target of a sustainable energy future," Nobuo Tanaka, the Paris-based agency's executive director, told reporters at the release of its annual World Energy Outlook report in London.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which pumps around 40 percent of the world's oil, cut output by 1.5 million barrels per day from Nov. 1 to counter a recent fall in the price of crude from a high of $147 in July to under $59 on Wednesday.

OPEC has also warned that crucial downstream investment — in refining and distribution — will be curtailed if the oil price is not maintained at a reasonable level.

616 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:54am

re: #604 tappin52

Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.

I'm thinking he was jealous because Sarah got the big crowds and he got crickets.

617 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:35:58am

re: #595 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
Coffee is on Dorian..we be doing da Kona bra'
How is everyone this fine, chilly day?

Kona goooood........... ;)

618 shanec99  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:37:32am

re: #604 tappin52

Could be sour grapes on my part, but McCain's weak defense of Sarah Palin coupled with his very quick and vocal rebuttal of criticisms of Obama make me think that he secretly wanted an Obama win.


Good Lord, another conspiracy thoerist. Here they accuse a man of spending two years of his life living in hotel rooms, frequently away from his wife and kids of throwing an election.

Tell me, do you believe that JFK was killed by the Mafia or CIA too?

619 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:37:36am

re: #580 galloping granny

One of my daughters lives in ALB. She has taken each out of state visitor to Santa Fe once and informed us all that we had best not ask to go again or we're on our own! LOL.

obviously santa fe is obligatory for the tourists...you daughter is exactly right tho...I deplore the place and it's too bad with the native charm and all...it really is a disease

620 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:37:41am

re: #603 Rancher

Santa Fe is a interesting place except for artse farsy crowd and the moon bats. i rather enjoyed the indian and hispanic part of the place.

plus the view is outstanding.

621 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:38:22am

re: #612 yochanan

C.T.A. bus in Chicago
paid ad.

I should think someone would be able to get that ad off the bus fairly easily. The bus company is not a religious entity and virtually every public bus company in the US receives public funds.

622 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:39:12am

my holiday schedule has kicked in, gotta burn five weeks of annual leave during the next eight. been a busy year with little vacation time.

623 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:39:56am

re: #612 yochanan
I'll be in chi week after next, have to look for one, maby spit on it

624 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:40:03am

re: #622 apachegunner

my holiday schedule has kicked in, gotta burn five weeks of annual leave during the next eight. been a busy year with little vacation time.

Yo, gunner... Kick with the Baileys.... ;)

625 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:04am

re: #620 yochanan

Santa Fe is a interesting place except for artse farsy crowd and the moon bats. i rather enjoyed the indian and hispanic part of the place.

plus the view is outstanding.

There are places with much better views, and real American Indian &/or Hispanic heritage. I shall leave them unnamed tho lest what happened to the North Rim happens to them.

626 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:20am

re: #623 apachegunner

I'll be in chi week after next, have to look for one, maby spit on it

Take a picture for us.

627 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:31am

re: #581 Bumr50

How far from I-95 to NYC and back? Is a side trip to see the Intrepid possible in a day? My girl's parents live near UConn and we're going up for turkey day from Pittsburgh.

can't say for sure off the top of my head...but NYC is out of bounds for me (unless the subdudes are in town)...I have friends in Manhatten...I go and I stay...I'm not savvy enough to drop in from jersy or whatever for a quickie...I'd love to see the Intrepepid tho

628 kcladderman  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:41:32am

re: #618 shanec99

Tell me, do you believe that JFK was killed by the Mafia or and the CIA too?
/ look over there is that a black helicopter

629 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:42:48am

re: #623 apachegunner
they were up a couple of months ago have not seen one this month. i think for ramadamadingdong

630 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:43:07am

re: #628 kcladderman

Tell me, do you believe that JFK was killed by the Mafia or and the CIA too?
/ look over there is that a black helicopter

Dude.... Black Helicopters are sooooooo out.... Paisley is the new black................ ;p

631 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:43:22am

re: #624 doriangrey

Yo, gunner... Kick with the Baileys.... ;)


baileys atcha dorian, hold the cup still it's shaken :>)

632 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:43:46am

re: #627 albusteve

can't say for sure off the top of my head...but NYC is out of bounds for me (unless the subdudes are in town)...I have friends in Manhatten...I go and I stay...I'm not savvy enough to drop in from jersy or whatever for a quickie...I'd love to see the Intrepepid tho

If you are drive straight through it is about 4 days from Vermont to Flagstaff, Arizona. Subtract 4 hours or so for Vermont to NYC, add on whatever time it takes you to get out of the city onto I95, then take off about 8 hours for Flagstaff to Albuquerque. ~ 3 days.

633 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:02am

re: #625 galloping granny

There are places with much better views, and real American Indian &/or Hispanic heritage. I shall leave them unnamed tho lest what happened to the North Rim happens to them.

good call granny...

634 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:03am

re: #626 galloping granny
yes, I can do it with my cell phone, I will

635 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:53am

re: #631 apachegunner

baileys atcha dorian, hold the cup still it's shaken :>)

Maybe I better sit it down, I still haven't quite gotten over the shock of American electing Comrade Obama....

636 yochanan  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:44:56am

re: #628 kcladderman

lee harvey oswald did the deed but he did have cuban/commie connections so it would not surprise me if castro had his hand in on the thing. I doubt it can be proven with out seeing what is in the cuban files.

637 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:45:30am

re: #630 doriangrey

Except on St. Patty's Day.

638 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:45:49am

re: #633 albusteve

good call granny...

You live in a place I particularly love. If most of my children did not live here I would move heaven and earth to live in the high country there.

639 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:46:20am

re: #635 doriangrey
I'll be in St Barts when he assumes office, perhaps I'll just stay there and retire.

640 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:46:38am

re: #637 Bumr50

Except on St. Patty's Day.

St. Patty's day will soon be banned.... ;p

641 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:46:54am

Good morning Lizards. Sure looks like Al Franken is stealing the election in MN this year.

Are we really going to have to utter the words "Senator Franken"?

642 quickjustice  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:47:19am

re: #581 Bumr50

I-95 goes through NYC by way of the George Washington Bridge. To see Intrepid, take the Henry Hudson parkway exit south off the GW Bridge (first exit-- stay hard right for southbound). Intrepid is about four miles south directly on the Hudson River, just after the elevated part of the roadway ends.

Or, you could take Lincoln Tunnel to Manhattan, and then turn north up the West Side highway to Intrepid. Slightly shorter distance.

643 Rancher  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:47:38am

Allot of Santa Fe natives have been pushed out by the leftist elites. As property values skyrocket so do taxes forcing families to move that have lived there for generations. Hope your town never becomes a hot-spot for the rich. It wouldn't be too bad but they demand all kinds of services that the taxpayers have to cough up money for.

644 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:47:59am

re: #635 doriangrey

Maybe I better sit it down, I still haven't quite gotten over the shock of American electing Comrade Obama....

I'm not sure I'll ever quite get over the shock. But then I am shocked that a full 62.2% of everyone 18 and over who lives in mine fine state actually went to the polls. That is not 62.2% of everyone eligible to vote, that is 62.2% of the entire population of the state. (Not buying it . . . . )

645 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:48:15am

re: #641 Jetpilot1101

Good morning Lizards. Sure looks like Al Franken is stealing the election in MN this year.

Are we really going to have to utter the words "Senator Franken"?

Well you could call him Senator Frankenstein.... ;p

646 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:49:45am

re: #641 Jetpilot1101

thats hard to say without spitting

647 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:49:49am

re: #644 galloping granny

I'm not sure I'll ever quite get over the shock. But then I am shocked that a full 62.2% of everyone 18 and over who lives in mine fine state actually went to the polls. That is not 62.2% of everyone eligible to vote, that is 62.2% of the entire population of the state. (Not buying it . . . . )

Hmmm, keep talking like that and you are going to be assigned a re-education number....... ;p

648 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:50:44am

Morning all!

It is a real pity the people tasked with keeping elections clean are the same ones that benefit the most from them being fraudulent.

Bring on the blue fingers...

649 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:51:19am

re: #645 doriangrey

i like that

650 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:51:51am

re: #648 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Morning all!

It is a real pity the people tasked with keeping elections clean are the same ones that benefit the most from them being fraudulent.

Bring on the blue fingers...

Just make sure the designated finger is the middle finger... ;)

651 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:03am

re: #643 Rancher

Allot of Santa Fe natives have been pushed out by the leftist elites. As property values skyrocket so do taxes forcing families to move that have lived there for generations. Hope your town never becomes a hot-spot for the rich. It wouldn't be too bad but they demand all kinds of services that the taxpayers have to cough up money for.

We have the same problem here in Vermont. A few years back a man whose family settled Vermont 400 years ago had to sell his 400 or so year old family farm because the taxes in his town had gone so high he could no longer afford to pay them. Since then, many - maybe most - of our farmers are "hanging on" to their farms by signing them over to a land trust. Literally giving them away.

Over on the NH side of the river a couple of years back a single dad who lived on a couple of acres in a little house with a tax value of $26K or so suddenly got a tax valuation of more than a million bucks in the mail. Seems you could see Mt. Monadnock from his property, so they valued his property at what he could get if he sold it.

652 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:31am

re: #647 doriangrey

Hmmm, keep talking like that and you are going to be assigned a re-education number....... ;p

That goes without saying dear.

653 tappin52  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:44am

re: #618 shanec99

I did not put forth a conspiracy theory. He took very legitimate issues off the table as far as Obama was concerned. He ran a bland, beige campaign and even told us there was nothing to fear from this "good man" as president. Doesn't sound like a fight to win kind of guy.

654 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:45am

re: #641 Jetpilot1101

Good morning Lizards. Sure looks like Al Franken is stealing the election in MN this year.

Are we really going to have to utter the words "Senator Franken"?

Funny thing on the way to work today.. I was putting my laptop in the truck when I found 1000 absentee votes there.
Imagine my shock..Guess I better mail them up to Minn. so they can count them.

655 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:52:59am

re: #650 doriangrey
a biometric thumb print would be perfect, wouldn't even have to be associated with an individual just an insurance of a single vote only

656 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:53:25am

re: #650 doriangrey

Just make sure the designated finger is the middle finger... ;)

Making a statement with your...uh... indicator is up to you.

657 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:53:44am

re: #649 apachegunner

i like that

Although come to think of it, Frankenstein's Monster is more like it.... Sadly as I recall Frankenstein's Monster was actually more intelligent and better looking than Franken....

658 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:54:24am

re: #653 tappin52
we all knew mccain was not the man for the job, we knew it all along and he has proved it.

659 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:54:49am

re: #655 apachegunner

a biometric thumb print would be perfect, wouldn't even have to be associated with an individual just an insurance of a single vote only

I smell national database and records of who voted for whom.

No thanks.

660 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:05am

re: #659 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I smell national database and records of who voted for whom.

No thanks.

Yup, that thar is an opportunity to abuse power no liberal/democrat/communist puke could ever pass up....

661 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:29am

re: #658 apachegunner

we all knew mccain was not the man for the job, we knew it all along and he has proved it.

I think McCain could have beat Hillary..But not mr. Rock Star Obama.

662 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:42am

re: #659 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I smell national database and records of who voted for whom.

No thanks.


as I said it would not be connected to anything other than a data match for an identical print. if the identical print was found the second vote would be cancelled automatically. vote 20 times and ya get one vote

663 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:45am

re: #655 apachegunner

a biometric thumb print would be perfect, wouldn't even have to be associated with an individual just an insurance of a single vote only

Nope. If you don't associate them with individuals, then how do you assure that the same one fingerprint is not voting in multiple jurisdictions. For starters.

Now, consider this. Every single individual in this country who has every been in the US military, applied for fire or police departments, worked in a federal goverment position or been a teacher or school bus driver for the last 30 years or so has their fingerprints on file. Before you start talking about the criminals.

Just exactly how hard do you think it might be to cross-reference those "anonymous" fingerprints in order to determine who deserves a one-way ticket to the gulag for voting the "wrong" way?

664 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:56:53am

re: #642 quickjustice

Thanx.

665 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:57:36am

re: #654 HoosierHoops

Good thing they weren't public assistance checks.

666 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:57:50am

Good morning folks,

On the dangerous stupidity of Obama's "new approach" to Iran,

Walid Phares: "How can we ally ourselves with Iran in Afghanistan and tell them we don't want them to have the nuclear bomb at the same time?" (Video)

The idiotic Democratic foreign policy experts base their brilliant strategy on the assumption that Shia Iran doesn't want Sunni Taliban to regain power, therefore the Iranians would help the US establish security in Afghanistan. We all know how well that strategy worked in Iraq. The Iranians may not have wanted Sunni Arabs to gain power, but they were more than willing to help them bomb and murder the people if it helped drive the US out of Iraq.

Already, Al Qaeda fighters from Iraq are crossing Iran to join the Taliban in Pakistan, brigning weapons & money. Could they do this without Ianian knowledge and tacit approval?

667 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:09am

Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.

I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?

668 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:18am

re: #663 galloping granny

Nope. If you don't associate them with individuals, then how do you assure that the same one fingerprint is not voting in multiple jurisdictions. For starters.

Now, consider this. Every single individual in this country who has every been in the US military, applied for fire or police departments, worked in a federal goverment position or been a teacher or school bus driver for the last 30 years or so has their fingerprints on file. Before you start talking about the criminals.

Just exactly how hard do you think it might be to cross-reference those "anonymous" fingerprints in order to determine who deserves a one-way ticket to the gulag for voting the "wrong" way?

BINGO................. Give that lady a fruit cup.................

669 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:26am

re: #663 galloping granny

the database would be national, the print comparisom would take nano seconds

670 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:44am

Y'all are depressing me about Santa Fe. The new project will require me to go out there very often in the next year or so. I was Hoping to enjoy the Change.

671 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:55am

re: #459 apachegunner

How can husband and wife then do it in the same home? I don't want to share my PC.

672 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:58:59am

re: #662 apachegunner

as I said it would not be connected to anything other than a data match for an identical print. if the identical print was found the second vote would be cancelled automatically. vote 20 times and ya get one vote

That might be the idea, but before a single election cycle is up, all those other unwanted effects will be piled on.

673 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:59:09am

re: #638 galloping granny

You live in a place I particularly love. If most of my children did not live here I would move heaven and earth to live in the high country there.

people dig the vibe out here but you know I think it is universal...you do not discover some spirit here but rather you bring it with you when you come and new mex is a wonderful place to feel and express whatever it is...you are new mexican is spirit and that's what counts...

674 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 5:59:30am

re: #663 galloping granny
awwww granny, don'tcha think we would revolt before that happened?

675 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:14am

re: #662 apachegunner

as I said it would not be connected to anything other than a data match for an identical print. if the identical print was found the second vote would be cancelled automatically. vote 20 times and ya get one vote

You're kinder than I would be.

If I made the rules, vote more than once and ALL your votes are canceled, AND your right to vote revoked forever.

676 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:28am

re: #667 midwestgak

Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.

I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?

Scam. Tell them to put the whole shebang in writing and then run it by your lawyer.

For starters, you should have had ADVANCE notice that your interest rate was going up. And car loans don't usually have variable interest.

677 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:56am

re: #667 midwestgak
call the bank gak

678 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:00:57am

re: #667 midwestgak

Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.

I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?

I would go talk to your bank in person, be suspicious of identity theft....

679 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:02:08am

re: #669 apachegunner

the database would be national, the print comparisom would take nano seconds

Well, having a daughter who has managed one of the world's largest databases, I can assure you that it would take longer than nanoseconds. But it is certainly very do-able and would not take long.

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:02:45am

"The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse, gets the cheese."

-Steven Wright

681 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:02:50am

re: #667 midwestgak

I wouldn't do it online.

682 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:00am

re: #667 midwestgak

I got an unsolicited sales call from WaMu offering to lower my mortgage interest and it was legit.

But I made him give me a callback number, googled it to make sure it was listed as WaMu, then called a different WaMu number and had them also verify the number he gave me was one of theirs.

Trust, but verify.

683 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:24am

re: #667 midwestgak

That sure sounds like a scam. Banks do not use email to conduct banking. Call your bank directly and ask to speak to the manager.

684 swamprat  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:42am

re: #667 midwestgak Arrange a face-to-face at the bank


if not possible; run away
if you must decide very quickly or no deal; then no deal

watch out for the sharp hook hidden by the fat wiggley worm

685 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:43am

re: #674 apachegunner

awwww granny, don'tcha think we would revolt before that happened?

No, I think most of us are sheeple that don't have the first clue of the danger our nation is in and won't recognize it until they reach the gulag gates and see that sign that says Arbeit macht Frei - and then realize they are not a guard.

686 saberry0530  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:57am

re: #667 midwestgak

SOunds a little fishy. COntact the bank using a number that you look up and verify that they are indeed offering this as a deal. IF they are, then go for it if you want.

687 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:03:59am

re: #676 galloping granny

Scam. Tell them to put the whole shebang in writing and then run it by your lawyer.

For starters, you should have had ADVANCE notice that your interest rate was going up. And car loans don't usually have variable interest.

Thanks all. I thought I detected an odor.

688 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:25am

re: #671 notutopia
it was a question, unanswered, that was proposed. the utility that charles runs frequently would id such senario and as in my case block one account.

689 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:45am

re: #667 midwestgak

Need your opinons Lizards
Got a call from a guy who says he works for the bank I got my car loan through. He knew my balance. Said my interest rate went up to 6.7% from 3.9% on 10/31/2008. Offered me a transfer account offering 3.9% for a one-time $99 transfer fee. I would get a "blue" credit card and a few days later I would get a check with 3.9% stamped on it.

I am to email him at that time and accept the deal. I would not longer pay my car loan using the little pay booklet. What do you think?

Anything that's in a computer (as, say, a car loan balance) can be obtained by people who know how to get these things.

If you did not initiate the phone call to your bank, don't assume that the person on the other end of the line really works for your bank. Call your bank. Your bank will notify you of these things by mail, not phone call, for just this reason.

Also, I have discovered, you have to pay attention to exactly how the person introduces themself, even on things you get in the mail. I get things all the time that say, on the envelope, "A critical notice from your credit union!".

But when I open it and read, it's obvious that it did not come from my credit union, but instead, from some unassociated company trying to sell me some sort of insurance.

Again, if you did not initiate the contact, assume the worst.

690 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:04:58am

We were half joking yesterday about the traces of uranium at the Syrian Nuke site being blamed on Israel. Well guess what?
Surprise!

691 doriangrey  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:06am

OK Lizards, it's once again time to hear off for the salt mines, however do not forget to be in the cotton fields at 2pm for our mandatory voluntary community service..... See ya all there..... ;)

692 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:12am

re: #675 Silhouette
yes, i like that and a little jail time too

693 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:21am

re: #645 doriangrey

Well you could call him Senator Frankenstein.... ;p

How about Senator "washed up comedian (who wasn't funny anyway) and washed up radio personality who really sucked" Franken.

694 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:05:52am

re: #673 albusteve

people dig the vibe out here but you know I think it is universal...you do not discover some spirit here but rather you bring it with you when you come and new mex is a wonderful place to feel and express whatever it is...you are new mexican is spirit and that's what counts...

I wish it counted more when I run out of decent tortillas and can't find chile for love nor money. :)

695 apachegunner  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:07:45am

re: #691 doriangrey
seeya dorian

696 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:09:12am

re: #690 Spare O'Lake

Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.

697 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:10:50am

re: #589 TheMatrix31

It is telling of what is to come in regard to the war on religion in the US.
Washington DC starts the ball rolling. Let's see if we can cut the Christ out of the xmas joy!
Why not something more befitting, Like ....Why believe in an Imam?
Oh but no, that would raise all sorts of hairs in the wrong direction!
Who approves these PUBLIC TRansportation ADS ?

698 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:11:28am

Should give this the 48 hour rule, but student at liberal Augsburg college in Mpls was punched on election night because she wearing a McCain-Palin button. Some lines from the article:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]


An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.
Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.

…………………& #8230;………………&# 8230;……………… 230;………………R 30;………..


Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.
"I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."

699 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:11:39am

re: #689 reine.de.tout

Thanks reine. I never answer my phone. Always let the machine pick it up, but when the guy was leaving a message and I heard the name of my bank and car loan in the same sentence I feared that something got screwed up with my payment so I answered the phone outright.

I will not be responding to this fellow. He used the name Eugene btw.

700 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:11:47am

re: #694 galloping granny

I wish it counted more when I run out of decent tortillas and can't find chile for love nor money. :)

well yes...there is a 'worldly' aspect to it all I suppose...

701 aussiemagpie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:12:13am

G'day from the Socialist Nanny State of Down Under to {everyone}!

I've met the first troofer that's ever crossed my path - who insisted we watch a movie called Zeitgeist which would show how an evil few (American of course) caused WW1, WW11, Vietnam War, 9/11....and the Great Depression

I googled Zeitgeist , and thanks but no thanks....I won't be watching it anytime soon

702 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:12:33am

re: #697 notutopia

My answer to "Why believe in God?" is

"Because it is my right in a free country. Damn, you atheists evangelize more than vegetarians or Mac users!"

703 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:12:50am

For the record...this college is run by the very liberal ELCA. This church worked with MoveOn.org in 2004.

704 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:13:27am

re: #696 Kenneth

Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.

Not only that. Uranium produced in one reactor will have a different signature than uranium produced somewhere else.

Of course the only way for the Israeli's to "prove" it isn't their uranium is to admit they have some in the first place - which they have never done - and then to disclose just what it is. Which is likely what this is all about - trying to force Israel to do exactly that.

705 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:13:44am

re: #698 Dave the.....

Maybe we should be made to wear big "R"s on our clothes so they'll be better able to avoid us.

706 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:14:36am

re: #698 Dave the.....

Should give this the 48 hour rule, but student at liberal Augsburg college in Mpls was punched on election night because she wearing a McCain-Palin button. Some lines from the article:

[Link: www.startribune.com...]


An Augsburg College student and Sarah Palin supporter from Alaska was beaten on election night while walking to her dorm and was called a racist by a group of four young women because she had on a McCain/Palin presidential campaign button, authorities and the victim said.
Annie Grossmann, a freshman on the Minneapolis college's hockey team, suffered blurred vision and is thought to have had a concussion from a punch in the eye, but declined medical attention, she said.

…………… …………… …………… …………… …………… …………… ……..


Bruce Grossmann said a "PETA person" had to be removed from her dorm room because he was upset by a photo of her with a black bear she had shot. Also, he said, she attended an icebreaker on campus and was booed when she identified herself as a Republican.
"I don't think she was prepared for the close-mindedness," he said. "I told her she needs to take a lower profile [for the sake of] her academic and her sports careers."

Our kids need to start paying more attention to the political environment of the colleges they plan to attend (and fork over big bucks to.)

707 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:14:56am

re: #591 yochanan

What exactly does the AD say?

708 freedombilly  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:15:10am

re: #676 galloping granny

Scam. Tell them to put the whole shebang in writing and then run it by your lawyer.

For starters, you should have had ADVANCE notice that your interest rate was going up. And car loans don't usually have variable interest.

Always have them put it in writing. All scams run for the hills.

709 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:15:43am
710 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:16:11am

re: #685 galloping granny

No, I think most of us are sheeple that don't have the first clue of the danger our nation is in and won't recognize it until they reach the gulag gates and see that sign that says Arbeit macht Frei - and then realize they are not a guard.

Actually, if you are correct then you should watch for "them" to first choose a scapegoat from among the sheeple.

711 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:17:31am

re: #696 Kenneth

Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.

Well knock me over with a feather!

712 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:17:35am

ScottishBuzzsaw, thanks for the great VDH link above.


The world’s mental map wasn’t erased away when Bush took power. Being the planet’s most powerful democracy, and a free and confident world peacekeeper, either excites admiration or earns envy — and even the most crude or the most elegant American president can’t change much that simple fact of global human nature.

Good stuff.

713 freedombilly  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:17:42am

re: #696 Kenneth

Depleted uranium contains a very different ratio of isotopes than uranium reactor fuel. The samples that the IAEA took from the bombed SYrian reactor showed very clearly the signature of uranium reactor fuel. The Syrians are lying again.

I sure am glad there are smart people around here.

714 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:18:30am

re: #704 galloping granny

Not only that. Uranium produced in one reactor will have a different signature than uranium produced somewhere else.

Of course the only way for the Israeli's to "prove" it isn't their uranium is to admit they have some in the first place - which they have never done - and then to disclose just what it is. Which is likely what this is all about - trying to force Israel to do exactly that.

of course...and it's just so brutally naive it borders on the juvenile...Israel should not even issue a 'no response' to this sort of thing

715 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:18:33am

re: #704 galloping granny

True, the isotope ratios are like a fingerprint. Israel will wisely stay mum and let the Syrian's talk themselves into a hole. The Syrain assertion is for internal consumption anyway, nobody actually believes them.

716 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:18:56am

re: #572 galloping granny

so the kids can get laid and smoke dope?

/

And, get a driver's license and a car. Be kinda' hard to keep up with her/him then.

717 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:19:59am

re: #584 shanec99

I would expect an objection to a family's living arrangement to come from a Liberal if it involved caring for ones parents. Conservatives know and are concerned about the preservation of families. It is why this whole concern with this woman's private live astounds me in this venue.

What if their primary care-giver had been a non-related nanny? Same deal?

718 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:20:20am

re: #709 Kenneth

Is Bibi the new Barack?

Bunk and hokum. Not that much different than McCain's website was either. The "designers" are probably using the same template - if they aren't the same "designers." I refuse to call people that obviously know nothing whatever about basic security web developers.

719 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:21:08am

bbl

720 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:21:24am

re: #715 Kenneth

True, the isotope ratios are like a fingerprint. Israel will wisely stay mum and let the Syrian's talk themselves into a hole. The Syrain assertion is for internal consumption anyway, nobody actually believes them.

From your keyboard to G_d's ears. Olmert is not gone yet.

721 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:23:06am

For those not familiar with Mpls......I attend the MBA program at the UofM,...it's right next door to Augsburg college. This is an extremely liberal part of town (even for Mpls) and I would not feel safe walking on the street there with a McCain-Palin button on. Tolerance is not a word I would use to describe Mpls.

722 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:23:59am

Good morning all y'all - from a cold (43 degrees going up to 61 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

723 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:24:48am

re: #715 Kenneth

True, the isotope ratios are like a fingerprint. Israel will wisely stay mum and let the Syrian's talk themselves into a hole. The Syrain assertion is for internal consumption anyway, nobody actually believes them.

The IAEA will certainly issue a report blaming Israel.
El Bare-Assed-Lie-A-Day

724 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:02am

Talk about great expectations:

America thinks Barack Obama will fix economy, poll says

WASHINGTON — In one of the economy’s darkest hours in decades, it looks like people are taking Barack Obama up on his exhortations for hope and change.

Seven in 10, or 72 percent, voice confidence the president-elect will make the changes needed to revive the stalling economy, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll released Tuesday.

Good luck with the unrealistic expectations.

If President-elect Obama raises taxes in a recession, as he has promised to do, turn out the light for 5 to 10 years.

President Hoover did the same thing after the market crash of 1929 and got through Congress some protectionist tariffs and such, thus choking off trade.

That did not work out so well.

That did not work out so weel

725 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:24am

re: #627 albusteve

can't say for sure off the top of my head...but NYC is out of bounds for me (unless the subdudes are in town)...I have friends in Manhatten...I go and I stay...I'm not savvy enough to drop in from jersy or whatever for a quickie...I'd love to see the Intrepepid tho

I love the Subdudes... Never can find a decent video of them on YouTube, though...

726 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:45am

re: #614 DistantThunder

DT. I have to hold down the fort allot myself. I have come to appreciate my
skills and wit when I'm under my breath cursing over a broken field irrigation line or a broken hay bailer or a difficult animal birthing. I can do things today, that I never ever intended to learn to do!
It also provides me with quiet time to catch up on all the flicks and music that he doesn't care for. I make it a home vacation just for me. I call out for Thai and put some logs in the fire and play my music and quilt till I can't see the needle anymore.

727 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:25:57am

3 wood. Obama has almost the same economic policies as Hoover-Roosevelt. And look where that got us.

728 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:15am

re: #724 3 wood

Well, damn, 3 wood. He broke it (or at least his advisors did) so he ought to know best how to fix it.

729 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:32am

Camille Paglia's typically rambling piece at Salon contains these interesting comments about Sarah Palin,

Given that Obama had served on a Chicago board with Ayers and approved funding of a leftist educational project sponsored by Ayers, one might think that the unrepentant Ayers-Dohrn couple might be of some interest to the national media. But no, reporters have been too busy playing mini-badminton with every random spitball about Sarah Palin, who has been subjected to an atrocious and at times delusional level of defamation merely because she has the temerity to hold pro-life views.

How dare Palin not embrace abortion as the ultimate civilized ideal of modern culture? How tacky that she speaks in a vivacious regional accent indistinguishable from that of Western Canada! How risible that she graduated from the State University of Idaho and not one of those plush, pampered commodes of received opinion whose graduates, in their rush to believe the worst about her, have demonstrated that, when it comes to sifting evidence, they don't know their asses from their elbows.

Liberal Democrats are going to wake up from their sadomasochistic, anti-Palin orgy with a very big hangover. The evil genie released during this sorry episode will not so easily go back into its bottle. A shocking level of irrational emotionalism and at times infantile rage was exposed at the heart of current Democratic ideology -- contradicting Democratic core principles of compassion, tolerance and independent thought. One would have to look back to the Eisenhower 1950s for parallels to this grotesque lock-step parade of bourgeois provincialism, shallow groupthink and blind prejudice.

I like Sarah Palin, and I've heartily enjoyed her arrival on the national stage. As a career classroom teacher, I can see how smart she is -- and quite frankly, I think the people who don't see it are the stupid ones, wrapped in the fuzzy mummy-gauze of their own worn-out partisan dogma. So she doesn't speak the King's English -- big whoop! There is a powerful clarity of consciousness in her eyes. She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist. I stand on what I said (as a staunch pro-choice advocate) in my last two columns -- that Palin as a pro-life wife, mother and ambitious professional represents the next big shift in feminism. Pro-life women will save feminism by expanding it, particularly into the more traditional Third World.

730 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:26:36am

re: #724 3 wood
Good morning my friend - well which was it "well" or "weel"?!? LOL!
Hope you're doing well today!

731 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:08am

re: #707 notutopia

What exactly does the AD say?

Here

732 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:29am

re: #731 reine.de.tout

Thanks!

733 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:40am

re: #726 notutopia

Predict you will get marriage proposal on here in 4..3..2...

;-)

734 tfc3rid  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:27:47am

Well a pleasant good morning to all of you. It's been since 10/30 that I've been on here since I've been on vacation. Well, last week, as my cruise ship was crossing the Yucatan Channel from Grand Cayman to Cozumel, I found out that BHO was elected President of the United States. I was not surprised, as most of you here know I was saying as much for some time. But for the first time, it really hit me how absoultely terrible this could be for us. We don't know and I hope and pray that Obama will assume office and know he must govern all the people not just the loony left.

So, while I would never suppot him for the person he is and what he represents, I hope Obama can and will understand that governing the nation is about compromise...

I doubt it though...

735 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:08am

re: #724 3 wood

Talk about great expectations:

America thinks Barack Obama will fix economy, poll says


Good luck with the unrealistic expectations.

If President-elect Obama raises taxes in a recession, as he has promised to do, turn out the light for 5 to 10 years.

President Hoover did the same thing after the market crash of 1929 and got through Congress some protectionist tariffs and such, thus choking off trade.

That did not work out so well.

That did not work out so weel

Where did they find those ignoramusses?

736 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:27am

re: #725 christheprofessor
Good morning Chris - how are you doing this morning?
We're supposed to be getting rain very late this afternoon so I reckon you are either having rain now or you will be getting some tomorrow!
How's Ligthning doing?

737 LindaMarie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:37am

re: #643 Rancher

Allot of Santa Fe natives have been pushed out by the leftist elites. As property values skyrocket so do taxes forcing families to move that have lived there for generations. Hope your town never becomes a hot-spot for the rich. It wouldn't be too bad but they demand all kinds of services that the taxpayers have to cough up money for.

You are right on -be careful what you wish for/

738 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:28:43am

re: #729 Kenneth

The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.

It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.

739 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:29:03am

re: #732 notutopia

But I was referring to the bus ads in Chicago, which are different :)

740 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:29:19am

re: #735 MandyManners

Where did they find those ignoramusses?

At the voting booths, sadly.

741 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:30:08am

re: #738 Silhouette

The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.

It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.

I have never in my lifetime seen the media go after anyone the way they have gone after Sarah Palin. Not even Richard Nixon.

742 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:30:32am

re: #722 realwest
A Real Good morning to you.
You know, there is a possibility that you are almost as strikingly handsome as me. LOL.

743 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:30:48am
The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sang best.

Well, why don't they just develop their unique talents and beautify the woods some other way? Pssshhhh...birds.

744 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:09am

re: #734 tfc3rid
Hey my friend - Welcome Home! We've been kicking the election (and to some extent each other) around since November 5th) and know how you felt!
Meanwhile, depending on your schedule and the weather, I hope you get to go see the refurbished Intrepid and can report back to us (or hell, just send me an e-mail!)on how she looks!

745 aussiemagpie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:11am

re: #722 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cold (43 degrees going up to 61 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

*Smooch* sharing you with Miss Trixie of course :-)

How are you ? It's Thursday morning here, and should turn into a nice day

746 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:23am

re: #731 reine.de.tout

Here

Edwords said the purpose isn't to argue that God doesn't exist or change minds about a deity, although "we are trying to plant a seed of rational thought and critical thinking and questioning in people's minds."

So, only atheists are capable of rational thought and critical thinking? Christians cannot question?

Bah.

747 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:33am

re: #725 christheprofessor

I love the Subdudes... Never can find a decent video of them on YouTube, though...

'Late at Night' is killer imo

748 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:31:41am

re: #733 Silhouette

I could use a couple of paid hands around here. They are not to be found.
The work ethic here is if you sweat, then it's not worth doing.

749 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:32:22am

re: #742 Spare O'Lake
ROTFL! Well I suppose there's always that possibility!
LOL!

750 Joo-LiZ  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:32:27am

This does NOT sound good...

West Bank security plunges out of Israel military control

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

November 11, 2008, 10:41 PM (GMT+02:00)

On one day, Tuesday, Nov. 11, there were 30 Palestinian attacks on Israeli soldiers and border police officers on the West Bank, leaving four injured, including two policemen and an army platoon commander, DEBKAfile’s military sources report. The security situation plummeted from last month when, after men of the Lavi Brigade shot dead three Palestinian assailants who were hurling fire bombs, Israel units were prohibited from posting snipers to defend them against Palestinian firebomb ambuscades.

The prohibition came down from the office of prime minister Ehud Olmert and defense minister Ehud Barak. It was quickly picked up by the Palestinians who, realizing that the IDF’s hands were tied, became more audacious. By Tuesday, it had reached the point, said senior military sources, that the OC Central Command, Brig. Gadi Shamni, no longer controls security in Judea and Samaria. Marauding Palestinians have seized the hilltops commanding the territory’s main highways and intersections and bombard every passing Israeli car, including military and police vehicles, with firebombs, burning tires and big rocks. Shortage of manpower prevents the army from taking those hilltops over; its function has been reduced to patrols.

Tuesday, Palestinian terror peaked. They hurled firebombs and rocks at two border police bases in Abu Dis in southern Jerusalem and Ataro

751 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:33:11am

Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.

752 freedombilly  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:33:49am

re: #735 MandyManners

Where did they find those ignoramusses?

Starbucks

753 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:34:31am

re: #751 bosforus

Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.

Neither were the Seattle Jewish Center shootings. Even though the murderer said in essence, "I'm shooting you because you are Jewish and I hate you."

754 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:34:33am

re: #750 Joo-LiZ

This does NOT sound good...

Nothing Olmert does sounds good. When will the Israeliswake up and see that he is clearly doing every last thing possible to obliterate the nation of Israel and doing it willingly?

755 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:09am

re: #745 aussiemagpie
Hey hi there {aussiemagpie} - Well I'll share you with Miss Trixie if it's ok with each of you, I mean, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, right?! *Smooches* back to you!
It's a pretty crappy day here weather wise, but that figures cause we have to go run some chores today.
Gotta get my eyeglass frames fixed (stupid nose pad fell off!) and buy at least two lamps cause we've got two (actually 3) lamps that just keep on burning out bulbs in a week or 10 days. There ain't no rest for the weary! LOL!
Glad you're doing well and will be having a nice day weather wise at the least!

756 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:41am

re: #739 notutopia

But I was referring to the bus ads in Chicago, which are different :)

OH, sorry.

757 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:44am

re: #736 realwest

Good morning Chris - how are you doing this morning?
We're supposed to be getting rain very late this afternoon so I reckon you are either having rain now or you will be getting some tomorrow!
How's Ligthning doing?

Hey, dude. We're well, thanks, and ya'll? Still haven't received the latest results on the pup, though they were in two weeks ago and supposedly UPSed a week ago. Am just about to demand my money back.

No rain here yet but overcast. Likely will rain tonight or tomorrow if you will be getting it late today...

758 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:36:56am

re: #726 notutopia

DT. I have to hold down the fort allot myself. I have come to appreciate my
skills and wit when I'm under my breath cursing over a broken field irrigation line or a broken hay bailer or a difficult animal birthing. I can do things today, that I never ever intended to learn to do!
It also provides me with quiet time to catch up on all the flicks and music that he doesn't care for. I make it a home vacation just for me. I call out for Thai and put some logs in the fire and play my music and quilt till I can't see the needle anymore.

Nice. I just have to wrangle the 5 kids without him. Other than that, it's just like St. Croix

759 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:02am

re: #581 Bumr50

How far from I-95 to NYC and back? Is a side trip to see the Intrepid possible in a day? My girl's parents live near UConn and we're going up for turkey day from Pittsburgh.

In a word, no.

But if you're driving from Pittsburgh to Storrs, CT, why would you even be on I-95 in the first place? I-95 in Connecticut is a bad experience waiting to happen, and taking part of it that's the Cross Bronx Expressway is a nightmare. And that's on a regular day, not part of the Thanksgiving rush.

I'd stay on I-84, take the Beacon Bridge over the Hudson near Newburgh, and avoid the New York City area entirely.

760 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:10am

re: #746 MandyManners

So, only atheists are capable of rational thought and critical thinking? Christians cannot question?

Bah.

and humbug.

761 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:18am

re: #753 Silhouette

We Mormons have had it pretty good for a while now as far as public opposition goes but we're no strangers to persecution. Heck, we're in Utah because of it.

762 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:37:43am

re: #751 bosforus

I bet if was other than BB's used, they'd be able to rule out that it wasn't a teenagers "pranks"? :(

763 christheprofessor  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:38:27am

re: #747 albusteve

'Late at Night' is killer imo
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Agreed. I've posted that one here myself, eons ago. Not the best quality but better than nothing. Thanks for the linky...

Gotta head to the office. Have a great one...

764 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:38:29am

re: #748 notutopia
Uh, if you don't mind me asking where is around here?
(start with State first, please - may be no reason to go any further than that! LOL!).

765 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:38:38am

re: #751 bosforus

Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.

Had to be skinheads - no one else commits hate crimes.

766 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:18am

re: #751 bosforus

Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.

While Chapman knew of the identical instances at churches up north in Ogden and Layton, he said Sandy police were not yet working with other agencies to investigate the crime.

SNIP

Moyes said Layton police likewise are not treating the incidents as hate crimes.

"We have not labeled it a hate crime until we can find some hard evidence to substantiate it," Moyes said.

SNIP

I guarantee you that if these buildings were mosques, it would aleeady be labeled a hate crime, and the local LE would already have the feds getting in on the action.

767 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:48am
Seven LDS wardhouses vandalized over weekend
But don't worry, it's not a hate-crime...somehow.

A blogger (can't recall who now...maybe Michelle Malkin) posted a link to a California site were there were threats made to/against LDS members. I have to say, anti-Morman bigotry is very trendy right now. It's one thing to oppose the tenants and recruitment of the religion, but it's getting out of hand now.

768 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:54am

re: #750 Joo-LiZ
Well, given as how the source is Debka (we almost always or at least occassionally, get it right) I'd give it at least 24 hours on that story!

769 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:39:56am

re: #718 galloping granny

Well, the websites do look alike, but the similarity ends there. I do hope & pray Bibi is the next Israeli PM.

770 Dustoff-507  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:40:52am

Ok folks, I'm back again.
So what in the heck is going on this fine morning?

771 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:22am

re: #769 Kenneth

Well, the websites do look alike, but the similarity ends there. I do hope & pray Bibi is the next Israeli PM.

You and me both.

772 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:27am

re: #764 realwest

Real we're distant I-40 neighbors!

773 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:40am

re: #747 albusteve

I'm sure you've seen that vid Chris...anyhow you haven't lived til you go clubbin' with the subdudes...they are the best folks ever on tour...the adore their fans...I have some friends who are very tight with the band and I've gotten inside the loop several times...so I'm golden in that regard!...ahaaa!...tommy malone is the most under recognized picker in modern times...the venue is everything too...the tear up Joe's in NYC or Gruene Hall in Texas...just awsome

774 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:41:56am

re: #759 Last Mohican

Thanks. In reference to I-95, uh, just not real travelled there I guess. Remembering a trip to Boston.

That stinks, I gotta work.

775 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:08am

re: #766 MandyManners

SNIP

I guarantee you that if these buildings were mosques, it would aleeady be labeled a hate crime, and the local LE would already have the feds getting in on the action.

Little known fact about a Hare Krishna temple in Spanish Fork, UT (50 minutes south of Salt Lake) - most of the money for construction was donated by the LDS church. They throw some great "events" there as well.

776 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:46am

re: #757 christheprofessor
Uh oh - "results on the pup" - I musta missed something here my friend - what's wrong with her that you had to have tests done?

777 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:42:46am

re: #739 notutopia

But I was referring to the bus ads in Chicago, which are different :)

Try this.

778 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:44:14am

When President-elect Obama is sworn into office, he vacates his Senate seat from Illinois. Illinois Governor Blagojevich will appoint a successor. Here are the leading 3 candidates to replace Obama in the Senate:

1. Rod Blogojevich: Yep, there is a very good chance the Governor will work things out to pretty much appoint himself. Blago is so hated by his own party in Illinois that he is incapable if getting a consensus from the Democratically controlled State legislature on anything. Blago has helped to mismanage the State finances into a train wreck, so the smart money is betting that he will jump ship and head to Washington.

2. Congressman Danny Davis Jr.: Davis is a raving moonbat who will fit right in. He has never seen a minimum wage hike he would not vote for, thinks the only problem with the public schools is that we do not shovel enough money into them, and is a bitter partisan along the Rahm Emanuel line.

Davis has an interesting opinion about white women:Ebony Magazine Remarks

During the campaign Tillman highlighted divisive comments Davis made in an August 1970 issue of Ebony: “(T)he white female often gives the black man certain kinds of recognition that the black woman oftentimes does not give him."[13

He also is a proud socialist:

Davis also received the endorsement of the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America (CDSA)[22] of which he is a member[23][24] and had a relationship pre-dating his congressional run days.[25] ACORN, AFL-CIO, Sierra Club, and International Brotherhood of Teamsters are included in other groups also endorsing Davis in his bid.[2

3. Jesse Jackson Jr. Also a very liberal politician, he has had his troubles with controversy too:

Jackson's earliest public controversy came when he was linked to Nigerian drug trafficker Pius Ailemen. Ailemen was suppose to be Jackson's best man at his 1991 wedding, but canceled at the last minute due to supposed passport-related issues. Jackson's name and pictures were included in San Francisco, California press accounts of the arrest, which resulted from a Federal Bureau of Investigation investigation.[39] The investigation and court proceedings extended for several years. The wiretap included many conversations between the two and financial records indicate that Ailemen had purchased an Alfa Romeo using a $13,000 charge on Jackson's credit card.[40] Ailemen was sentenced to 292 months in jail.[41] In 2003, Ailemen was denied petition for a writ of certiorari.[42]


Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middle with you.

779 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:44:43am

re: #761 bosforus

We Mormons have had it pretty good for a while now as far as public opposition goes but we're no strangers to persecution. Heck, we're in Utah because of it.

I understand there was spray painting of signs and other vandalism last week over the gay marriage ban in Calif. Sounds like it is escalating, not going away.

780 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:28am

B.

We Mormons have had it pretty good for a while now as far as public opposition goes but we're no strangers to persecution. Heck, we're in Utah because of it.

Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.

781 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:47am

re: #770 Dustoff-507
Well thank the Lord you're back - we were just gonna send out some search parties! LOL!
Except for some pain in the ass chores I gotta do today, I'm doing fine - how are you doing?

782 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:52am

re: #727 Dave the.....

3 wood. Obama has almost the same economic policies as Hoover-Roosevelt. And look where that got us.

A decade of depression and then a world war.

783 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:45:59am

re: #780 Dave the.....

B.

Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.

I saw portions of that ad.
Disgusting.

784 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:03am

re: #774 Bumr50

Thanks. In reference to I-95, uh, just not real travelled there I guess. Remembering a trip to Boston.

That stinks, I gotta work.

I haven't visited the Intrepid in years. I'd love to see how she looks after the renovations too.

Oh, and if you ever get the urge to visit Boston again, don't take I-95! Go through Hartford instead. If you need to get there from New York, take the Merritt Parkway.

785 sandspur  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:14am

re: #407 MandyManners

I thought she looked just fine but, it was an interesting choice of colors. Something tells me she didn't wear it as a Reagan-Red.

I still cannot get over the dress she wore last Tuesday night. Its symbolism just screamed.

You mean the "Black Widow" dress? I agree! The symbolism was over the top.

786 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:24am

re: #772 notutopia
We are?! Great! Uh, how distant?

787 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:28am

re: #728 Silhouette

Well, damn, 3 wood. He broke it (or at least his advisors did) so he ought to know best how to fix it.

I sprayed coffee at that one.

788 Miss Trixie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:46:51am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another loverly day in the valley, it's the middle of the week and Firday's on the horizon. :D

{realwest} Morning, dahlink *smooochie* Glad to see you today. :D How are you?

tfc3rid - Welcome back! Did your little fuzzbutt "L" miss you very much? And how was Cozumel?

789 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:47:31am

re: #780 Dave the.....

B.

Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.

Where is it? And who in their right mind would run such an ad?

790 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:47:32am

re: #767 Dave the.....

I have to say, anti-Morman bigotry is very trendy right now.

That's because Mormons don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose are attacked. Certain other religions are known to do that.

791 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:47:41am

DOW is down another 198 points.

But not to worry, the Messiah will fix it with his Spread the Wealth policy.

792 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:02am

re: #780 Dave the.....

Truly Unbelievable. Just disgusting crap!

793 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:29am

re: #778 3 wood

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middle with you.

Might as well have some good music as we're sliding down in a hand-basket.

794 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:32am

re: #730 realwest

Good morning my friend - well which was it "well" or "weel"?!? LOL!
Hope you're doing well today!

Yep, the back is much better today, rode my bike to work.

795 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:48:43am

re: #784 Last Mohican

I haven't visited the Intrepid in years. I'd love to see how she looks after the renovations too.

Oh, and if you ever get the urge to visit Boston again, don't take I-95! Go through Hartford instead. If you need to get there from New York, take the Merritt Parkway.

If he lives in Pittsburgh, it is much easier to get to Boston through upstate NY, avoiding Connecticut and the traffic mess entirely.

796 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:00am

re: #780 Dave the.....

B.

Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.

Yup, saw that. I'm pretty sure their obvious hatred will implode on them and their message will be seen for what it is. I'm not sure how someone who has ever met our missionaries can watch that commercial and not be offended by it.

797 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:23am

re: #785 sandspur

You mean the "Black Widow" dress? I agree! The symbolism was over the top.

Commie Red and Black Power Black. And, one girl was in black, the other in red.

798 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:23am

re: #791 3 wood

DOW is down another 198 points.

But not to worry, the Messiah will fix it with his Spread the Wealth policy.

Didn't you post that yesterday?

And Monday?

And...

799 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:38am

Wasn't CBBHO's suit black?

800 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:49:41am

re: #784 Last Mohican

I haven't visited the Intrepid in years. I'd love to see how she looks after the renovations too.

Oh, and if you ever get the urge to visit Boston again, don't take I-95! Go through Hartford instead. If you need to get there from New York, take the Merritt Parkway.

I-95 is a distraction of cosmic proportion from Boston to north Virginia and beyond...I typically use it as a metaphore for all that is wrong with american culture...I could be wrong I suppose...

801 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:03am

re: #759 Last Mohican

I concur on that. If you're doing I95 during the week, it's a mess, and you'll spend hours sitting in traffic. You're much better off going I81 to I84 and across in to CT as you say.

802 aussiemagpie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:12am

re: #755 realwest

LOL! Sharing is good....does wonders for American, Canadian and Aussie goodwill :-)

803 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:23am

Galloping

Where is it? And who in their right mind would run such an ad?

I'm at work right now so don't want to do too much of a search for it (it's on YouTube), but let me take a quick look. Be right back.

804 red satellite  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:37am

All gun-toting fathers....get ready to weep with joy.

805 3 wood  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:40am

re: #734 tfc3rid

We don't know and I hope and pray that Obama will assume office and know he must govern all the people not just the loony left.

Well, some on his staff are already leaking confidential discussions to the sewer rats at the New York Pravda

806 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:50:44am

re: #796 bosforus

Yup, saw that. I'm pretty sure their obvious hatred will implode on them and their message will be seen for what it is. I'm not sure how someone who has ever met our missionaries can watch that commercial and not be offended by it.

I don't see how anyone can not be offended by it. If this was a commercial against islam those running it would long since have been up on charges for inciting hatred.

807 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:01am

re: #788 Miss Trixie

Good Morning Miss Trixie!

808 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:10am

re: #778 3 wood Huh, any odds on which of three terrible candidates might get it?
I mean, y'all really ought to move out of that state of corrupt jokers and come on down to North Carolina where are politicians are not corrupt, at least! LOL!

809 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:12am

re: #785 sandspur

You mean the "Black Widow" dress? I agree! The symbolism was over the top.

That was a "designer" dress.
Has anyone questioned how much it cost?

I haven't seen one thing about the cost.

What I have seen are glowing articles like this, which include these paragraphs:

The now-famous red and black dress is fresh from the Spring 2009 collection from Narciso Rodriguez, a world-renown designer who has supplied Mrs. Obama with several distinct pieces over the course of the campaign . . .


The Wall Street Journal reports that retail orders for Michelle Obama's dresses have increased by as much as 45% over the past year as the First Lady continued to make appearances in dozens of classy, simple and elegant dresses and suits that appealed to average-sized women with simple tastes. For some, the 'simple' tastes were a far cry from Sarah Palin's $150,000+ designer wardrobe, and analysts suggest that Mrs. Obama's selections may have had a political motive.

But nothing about the cost of Michelle Obama's wardrobe. If she is buying from the "spring" collections of designers, then her clothes may indeed "appeal to" average women, but they are way out of the price range of "average" women.

810 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:27am
811 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:51:33am

re: #780 Dave the.....

B.

Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.

The "Courage Campaign" is the type of group that wouldn't mind seeing one of these brought back for the Mormons.

812 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:15am

Okay, I did a search on You Tube. Came up with several results. But didn't want to call them up at work. Perhaps another lizard can post a link.

813 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:27am

re: #808 realwest

Edwards? No real only 2/3rds of them are corrupt. ; (

814 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:28am

re: #806 galloping granny

I don't see how anyone can not be offended by it. If this was a commercial against islam those running it would long since have been up on charges for inciting hatred.

I'm sure a shot for shot remake of it wouldn't last two minutes on youtube, let alone make it on TV.

815 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:43am

re: #811 bosforus

The "Courage Campaign" is the type of group that wouldn't mind seeing one of these brought back for the Mormons.

That whole subject is something you won't see in high school history books.

816 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:48am

re:re: #795 galloping granny

Hartford has been a little hairy in trips past.

817 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:53:54am

re: #788 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches" bak to you! I'm doing fine ever since aussiemagpie told me that the two of you were willing to share me! LOL!
Wonder what a virtual 3-way that would be like?! Lots of fun for me, anyway!

818 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:54:34am

re: #809 reine.de.tout

But nothing about the cost of Michelle Obama's wardrobe. If she is buying from the "spring" collections of designers, then her clothes may indeed "appeal to" average women, but they are way out of the price range of "average" women.

It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?

819 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:54:58am

re: #793 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy and thanks for the music!

820 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:23am

re: #815 MandyManners

That whole subject is something you won't see in high school history books.

The most in high school text books that I ever saw (ten years ago) was something like "...then the Mormons went west...". Gee, thanks. You're welcome.

821 Miss Trixie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:44am

Hoosier! :D

822 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:53am

I didn't see the Palin-VanSusteren interview, but I get the impression Sarah Palin is pretty sharp from the clips.

I'm gonna go look online.

823 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:55:59am

re: #800 albusteve

Well, I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the New Jersey Turnpike....

824 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:56:26am

re: #738 Silhouette

The fact that the anti-Palin attacks continue after the election tells me that they are still very scared of her.

It reminds me of the why Newt had to be made a villian with fangs.

The Obama campaign were blind-sided when McCain picked Palin. She wasn't even on their radar and had nothing prepared to counter her. Eventually, the Dems & the liberal media fell back on their tried & true "stupid redneck" line they have thrown at most conservatives. BUt Palin represents a deeper existential threat to the traditional liberal elites. As she said in her terrific GOP convention speech,

“Here’s a little news flash, I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly these past few days that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington élite then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone. Well, I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion.”

That was a shot across the bow of the media & political elites, and they were rightly alarmed. Contrary to op-eds & opinion pieces in the liberal media, rumours of Sarah Palin's death are greatly exagerrated. A post election poll showed some 80% of those who voted for McCain thought she was a good candidate, in contrast to the 64% who though McCain was. The same liberal media elites thought this guy was a joke when he first ran for President in 1976. He came back in 1980 and proved them wrong.

Sarah Palin will be back in 2012. Bet on it.

825 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:56:41am

re: #794 3 wood
I'm really glad to hear that good news about your back!
I sure hope you've stopped taking pain pills and aren't taking them before biking to work! How long a bicycle ride is it for you?

826 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:56:59am

re: #774 Bumr50

Thanks. In reference to I-95, uh, just not real travelled there I guess. Remembering a trip to Boston.

That stinks, I gotta work.

Hey, if you're interested in military history, you might consider a stop at the USMA in West Point. It's only about 20 minutes from the preferred route between Pittsburgh and UConn.

827 bosforus  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:57:18am

re: #815 MandyManners

Anyways, I'll stop. I hate sounding like a bitter "learn my past" person. Some things are worth remembering, however.

828 notutopia  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:57:23am

re: #818 galloping granny

MSMedia job security. And we will probably never get any questions about clothes cost ever again after that ludicrous attack on Palin. It's now taboo to even talk clothes.

829 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:57:33am

Bum

I didn't see the Palin-VanSusteren interview, but I get the impression Sarah Palin is pretty sharp from the clips.


My local papers haven't given up on Palin bashing yet. The Govenor can give a 1 hour interview. They will pick the one word that sounds goofy and use that in the headline.

830 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:58:15am

re: #818 galloping granny

It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?

exactly my point.

831 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:58:52am

So, the left needs a common enemy to demonize. There is no President or really anyone significant in congress. Is that why they are still going after Governor Palin?

832 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:58:55am

re: #780 Dave the.....

B.

Did you see the commercial from California? The one the shows two LDS members doing a home invasion and ransacking a house? It is very reminiscent of anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish imagery of years ago.

Those were supposed to be missionaries, young men between the ages of 19-22 who self-finance a 2 year mission for the church. Those actors had hair that was too long for missionary standards.

833 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:03am

re: #818 galloping granny

It has not been six months since Michelle Obama was whining about not being able to afford dance lessons for her girls and having to pay back her student loans. Where did the money for that designer dress come from? Did the campaign pay for it? Or was it "donated" by the designer? And why isn't she being raked over the coals just like Sarah Palin was?

If they were donated, doesn't she have to report it to the IRS?

834 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:03am

re: #795 galloping granny
Good morning to you! Yeah, but that way means a trip to the Intrepid is TOTALLY out of the question! LOL!
That is a bitch of a drive from NYC though - and not for the faint of heart, either.
HOw are y'all doing today?

835 Bumr50  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:07am

re: #826 Last Mohican

Thanks a billion.

Oh, sorry. I forgot to apply the "new economics."

Thanks 10 trillion!: )

836 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:22am

re: #819 realwest

Good morning Mandy and thanks for the music!

You're welcome!

837 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 6:59:28am

re: #816 Bumr50

Hartford has been a little hairy in trips past.

Yup, that it is. We avoid the whole I95 mess by taking 84 over to 87, then north on 87 until you come to the MA Turpike (I90). Take that straight into Boston, of if you want to drop down into Hartford, get off on I91 South in Holyoke/West Springfield MA. From there you are about 35-45 minutes from Hartford, depending on just where you're going.

There is no food on 87 North, but there are regular rest stops on I90.

838 albusteve  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:00:03am

re: #823 Last Mohican

Well, I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the New Jersey Turnpike....

Easterners are different...I love it back there once in a while myself...but this statement just proves something...
my best friends are from jersy/NYC/philly/DC

839 Miss Trixie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:00:17am

re: #817 realwest

Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches" bak to you! I'm doing fine ever since aussiemagpie told me that the two of you were willing to share me! LOL!
Wonder what a virtual 3-way that would be like?! Lots of fun for me, anyway!

Pardon me, Mandy. May I?

*weighs whacking stick in hands, then turns to realwest and says sweetly*

Sorry. What were you saying just now, pumpkin?

:P

840 aussiemagpie  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:09am

re: #817 realwest

Hey there gorgeous! *Smooches" bak to you! I'm doing fine ever since aussiemagpie told me that the two of you were willing to share me! LOL!
Wonder what a virtual 3-way that would be like?! Lots of fun for me, anyway!

Now {realwest}, concentrate! Serious business going on here.... :-)

841 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:24am

re: #820 bosforus

The most in high school text books that I ever saw (ten years ago) was something like "...then the Mormons went west...". Gee, thanks. You're welcome.

I was raised in the South, and I barely, vaguely remember hearing that Mormons even existed. It wasn't until I moved to Seattle that I paid attention to them. (Kinda' hard to miss that church in Belleview with the big gold angel on top. Gabriel? Moroni?)

842 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:45am

re: #796 bosforus
Uh, what are you and Dave the..... talking about? Does this have anything to do with Mitt Romney do you think (I mean hell, they are still attacking Sarah Palin cause they are scared to death of her running in 2012)?

843 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:01:46am

re: #831 Dave the.....

So, the left needs a common enemy to demonize. There is no President or really anyone significant in congress. Is that why they are still going after Governor Palin?

No, they are going after Palin because she's a winner and they see that. They are out to destroy her while they have the chance.

844 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:02:32am

re: #827 bosforus

Anyways, I'll stop. I hate sounding like a bitter "learn my past" person. Some things are worth remembering, however.

The official persecution of a religious minority was a pretty significant event in our history.

845 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:02:33am

re: #822 Bumr50

I didn't see the Palin-VanSusteren interview, but I get the impression Sarah Palin is pretty sharp from the clips.

I'm gonna go look online.

Of course it doesn't matter what she says, the analysists will say she "flubbed" the interview.

I posted yesterday that I was watching a Matt Lauer interview her, and as she was thoughtfully listing several intelligent reasons why she wasn't surprised the election went the way it did, the summary caption on the bottom read, "Palin surprised by election."

Yep, just a stupid bimbo who is so clueless that she didn't see it coming.

846 galloping granny  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:03:28am

re: #834 realwest

Good morning to you! Yeah, but that way means a trip to the Intrepid is TOTALLY out of the question! LOL!
That is a bitch of a drive from NYC though - and not for the faint of heart, either.
HOw are y'all doing today?

A trip to the Intrepid on Thanksgiving weekend is totally out of the question and you and I both know it. That is a bitch of a drive on a normal weekday - even when it isn't rush hour. Thanksgiving weekend? Forgetaboutit.

847 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:03:41am

Gallop

No, they are going after Palin because she's a winner and they see that. They are out to destroy her while they have the chance.

Ahhh, that makes more sense. They see her as coming back strong in 2012. Or even sooner in Congress.

It's so bizarre to open up my paper in the morning and see these weird headlines attacking/belittling her yet. I thought they would have ended after the election.

848 realwest  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:04:11am

re: #802 {aussiemagpie}
WOW! I hadn't thought of that angle - yeah, lets um, get together as allies! To start, ya know what I mean?
Then we can explore our common, um, roots or whatever! LOL!

849 DistantThunder  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:05:03am

re: #666 Kenneth

Good morning folks,

On the dangerous stupidity of Obama's "new approach" to Iran,

Walid Phares: "How can we ally ourselves with Iran in Afghanistan and tell them we don't want them to have the nuclear bomb at the same time?" (Video)

The idiotic Democratic foreign policy experts base their brilliant strategy on the assumption that Shia Iran doesn't want Sunni Taliban to regain power, therefore the Iranians would help the US establish security in Afghanistan. We all know how well that strategy worked in Iraq. The Iranians may not have wanted Sunni Arabs to gain power, but they were more than willing to help them bomb and murder the people if it helped drive the US out of Iraq.

Already, Al Qaeda fighters from Iraq are crossing Iran to join the Taliban in Pakistan, brigning weapons & money. Could they do this without Ianian knowledge and tacit approval?

Obama is stumped that they won't cooperate - unless he really is willing to let them have the nukes. Thinks so? You betcha.

850 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 12, 2008 7:05:07am

re: #793 MandyManners

Might as well have some good music as we're sliding down in a hand-basket.

I may be going to Hell in a bucket
But at least I'm enjoying the ride

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