Of course he did.
The whole idea is laughable.
Who the hell needs a civilian draft?

I think their side is laughing about a lot things right about now.

Yes...but will this be laughable in the future?

Now why can't I see the video? There's a big white space where the video should be, but I'm getting nothing.

re: #4 vxbush

Now why can't I see the video? There's a big white space where the video should be, but I'm getting nothing.

Likewise.

I fear that this mandatory community service will seem like a minor issue after they ram their entire agenda down the American public's throat.

That's for the proletariat! Ha Ha!

/sarc

That's funny. In Emanuel's own book he also spoke of compulsory public service.

I have Adobe Flash 9,0,124,0 installed. Under Leopard 10.5.5. Firefox ...oh. That's why. I'm beta testing 3.0.4. I bet it be broken.

Reload.

"Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" - Dr. Emilio Lizardo

re: #4 vxbush

Now why can't I see the video? There's a big white space where the video should be, but I'm getting nothing.

Snowstorm?

/blank here as well...

Anyone see Dirk Diggler? LOL. This article is for him...

Little House on the Prarie: For Adults Only?

If zero feels that he must go forward with this can he at least promise that the kids can wear their own clothes?

Another link.

[Link: www.eyeblast.tv...]

I saw that bald loser on CNN reading "letters" and most of them were for a national security force. One letter said - "Of course with checks and balances..."

hahahahahahaha

Now if THAT's not a wake-up call, I don't know WHAT would be.

Emanuel's Chicago. He would've known.

Ah! Much better! Many thanks, Charles.

Only those who endure servitude can appreciate America?

If the Rahm don't get ya, than the lightening will.

re: #6 freedombilly

I fear that this mandatory community service will seem like a minor issue after they ram their entire agenda down the American public's throat.

I think it will be emblematic of the entire agenda.

What about the 13th amendment to the constitution that says no forced servitude?

re: #21 MandyManners

I think it will be emblematic of the entire agenda.

I fear you are right.

Oh goodness, he didn't exactly "laugh it off" did he?

Hell no!

re: #22 DistantThunder

What about the 13th amendment to the constitution that says no forced servitude?

I think Obama used white-out on that one.

Ha ha ha...bend down and enjoy the common experience.

re: #20 Ben Hur

Ya can't go back and you can't get off.

I'm also not getting the video yet.

Wait a second. . .Emmanuel thought mandatory service is a GOOD idea?

Its not "volunteerism" when you are compelled to do it. Further, the LAST thing we need is another massive entitlement program, where American kids are guaranteed a wage in exchange for loafing or negligible work.

How about THIS idea: Anyone who wants to work for the government can compete for a gov't job like anyone else. Anyone who wants to volunteer in their community can do so WITHOUT gov't interference. Anyone who wants to work in the private sector instead, can do that too. And anyone who wants to sit on their butt and do nothing. . .they've got that ability as well.

If you want to serve, there are some wonderful career and vocational opportunities ALREADY available in the US military and/or reserves, and some of them don't even involve risk to life and limb.

In a 2006 interview with Ben Smith of the NY Daily News, Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s White House chief of staff, laughed at and brushed off Smith’s concerns about Obama’s plans for mandatory civil service.

Isn't Emanuel referring to the plan set out in his book? Not (necessarily) Obama's plan?

It won't play for me.

Whole lot of lyin' goin' on.

Emanuel labor

They're just warming up.

Poor little Obama. If he tries to institute even half of the mindless proposals he's made in his books, his speeches and his interviews then not even the slavish media will be able to save him from himself.
The civilian draft, the deliberate bankrupting of the coal industry, the bizarro environmental projections, etc. are all built to fail.

Natural disasters that are coming more frequently?

How do he know?

re: #22 DistantThunder

What about the 13th amendment to the constitution that says no forced servitude?

What Constitution?

re: #23 freedombilly

I fear you are right.

It's gonna' be tied up in courts for ages.

I had mandatory community service in order to graduate from high school in the early 90's.

But it was a private school.

I had to work for Habitat for Humanities building low income housing in Trenton, NJ (IIRC).

It was the first time I was called a "cracker" and other crap from the crowd that gathered to watch us.

We were a little shocked, since we were there building effen houses.

I have a feeling there will be a lot of laughter these next four years. Except we'll be laughing at Obama, not with him.

re: #26 MrSilverDragon

I think Obama used white-out on that one.

RACIST!

re: #19 MandyManners

Only those who endure servitude can appreciate America?

Exactly and it doesn't matter whether it is a "train ride" or "barracks".
/I get a really sick feeling with this...
Not to mention exactly how are they going to fund it.

Oh by the way planting argula isn't community service!
/

Interviewer: Is this compulsory then?
Emmanuel: In the sense that it's required.
What SENSE are you talking about?! What's the difference?! If you don't do it, you're punished, it's compulsory!

A circle of love my ass! Emanuel must think the American people are sheep to be led. That sonnovabitch is dangerous!

What. The. F**k.

re: #33 shug

Emanuel labor

Ha!

And instead of getting fired from it, you get the Emanuel Ax.

re: #28 Bumr50

Ya can't go back and you can't get off.

Thank G-d someone got that.

Conservatives would do it.

The problem here is that the laziest Americans supported Obama. They are the ones who would object the most.

good

re: #42 MandyManners

RACIST!

No, it would only have been raced if he had stated it was a black out...

re: #36 yesandno

Natural disasters that are coming more frequently?

How do he know?

I'm more concerned about his belief that we will have more terrorist attacks.

I'm going to reboot - can't get the video to play. Firefox 3.

This Emmanuel fellow seems to have a very different idea of what America is than I do.

re: #40 Ben Hur

We were a little shocked, since we were there building effen houses.

But you weren't building them fast enough, or nice enough. You damn cracker.

re: #29 looking closely

It's voluntoldism..

re: #35 Lincolntf

Poor little Obama. If he tries to institute even half of the mindless proposals he's made in his books, his speeches and his interviews then not even the slavish media will be able to save him from himself.
The civilian draft, the deliberate bankrupting of the coal industry, the bizarro environmental projections, etc. are all built to fail.

Everything will fail, but it will not matter. For 4 years, we will hear the mantra that Bush/Chaney left a decaying country. Obama is just like Franklin Roosevelt.

re: #43 Suzette

Exactly and it doesn't matter whether it is a "train ride" or "barracks".

It's truly stunning to me that a Jew could utter those words so blithely.

re: #43 Suzette

Exactly and it doesn't matter whether it is a "train ride" or "barracks".
/I get a really sick feeling with this...
Not to mention exactly how are they going to fund it.

Oh by the way planting argula isn't community service!
/

Can you imagine trying to pay for the food?! What about the health care?

re: #35 Lincolntf

Poor little Obama. If he tries to institute even half of the mindless proposals he's made in his books, his speeches and his interviews then not even the slavish media will be able to save him from himself.
The civilian draft, the deliberate bankrupting of the coal industry, the bizarro environmental projections, etc. are all built to fail.

I have a feeling he's not even going to try with most of this stuff.

Unfortunately, I think Obama is going to have his hands full with foreign policy crises nearly from day one.

What a Meglomaniac with serious delusions of grandeur!

18 to 25? How about my 21-year-old who will be out of college by the time this is implemented -- is she supposed to put her career on hold for this crap? Or my 19-year-old in the Navy -- Is that good enough, or does he have to put in additional time at a soup kitchen or something? The 16-year-old would be hit the hardest, I imagine. She is considering a university in Canada and right now, that looks very good to me if it would keep her out of Obama's brown shirts.

re: #40 Ben Hur

You forgot the granite countertops and the bidet, you effing cracker.

re: #39 Iron Fist

I'm more concerned about the roumors of new gun control that we hear coming out. The "mandatory service" is probably just a way to waste taxpayer's money while indoctrinating the youth of America. Relatively harmless.

2nd Amendment. What 2nd Amendment? That's not the 2nd Amendment I knew.

Okay. I can hear it now.

Wish I couldn't.

Charlie Rangle proposed a draft some years back and then the Democrat party hacks blamed the whole concept on the GOP. Now Obama is reviving the same draft concept, and I'm wondering how they're going to blame the GOP for this one.

I'm sure they'll find a way. Maybe that's what they're laughing about.

re: #50 yesandno

No, it would only have been raced if he had stated it was a black out...

Which is what we'll get once coal is bankrupt.

Joke cabinet?

Sounds to me like this may be a way of creating a "well armed militia" in order to allow judges to re-interpret the Second Amendment and thereby disarm American citizens.

GOP "Moderates" beware: Ted Nugent declares RINO season is open!

re: #48 Ben Hur

I think there will be a lot more people who would get that coming soon.

re: #40 Ben Hur

I guess you were late.

/sarc

Will serving in hell for FOUR YEARS count towards this liberal fascist bullshit?

re: #49 shug

Conservatives would do it.

The problem here is that the laziest Americans supported Obama. They are the ones who would object the most.

good

One possible exception; if the stuff they like to do anyway (performance art, [bad] "poetry slams", or whatever) would count as their volunt-andatory "community service".

re: #57 Occasional Reader

It's truly stunning to me that a Jew could utter those words so blithely.

Would he be a Kapo back then?

Hell No...No draft!

That makes a good chant. What else do we have?

WHAT THE HELL !

Give people a sense of what it means to be an AMERICAN ?!?!

I know what it means to be an American, you pompous ass.

Gaytifada?

Palm Springs Prop 8 Rally Turns Ugly

’Artists’ Call For Punishing Theater Director Who Supported Proposition 8

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism unless you refuse to toe the accepted liberal line. In that case, you’re going to have to pay a price for having the audacity of independent thought.

re: #54 Occasional Reader

Ha. You beat me to it. DANG.

re: #73 MandyManners

Yes.

Paulson says the intent of the tarp was to deal with the financial industry.

What was the last thing you did with a tarp?

I covered something.

re: #53 vxbush

This Emmanuel fellow seems to have a very different idea of what America is than I do.

You are deeply flawed. Here, let him do a Vulcan mind-meld upon your bitterly clinging mind and take away away your pain.

/Star Trek V, The Final Frontier

COLMA

Circle of Love My A**

This 'plan,' standing alone, should disqualify the whole Obama regime from being in charge of anything. Besides, I am have already fully trained myself to participate in Militia activities as needed.

P.S.- and if these guys are serious, they may be needed.

re: #79 Bumr50

Sorry OT.

re: #51 MandyManners

I'm more concerned about his belief that we will have more terrorist attacks.

Agree...noticed he only got out one sylable of 'chem' in chemical.

However, despite that, it is best not to bury the dead while they are still breathing.

They all talked about fear being a talking point on the part of Repubs. They are going to promote fear and then use a take over of individual liberties as a solution to the problem...it takes a village of the damned to relinquish Constitutional rights as a matter of course.

I fear them more then anything.

re: #36 yesandno

Natural disasters that are coming more frequently?

How do he know?

Global warmening changery.

re: #75 mama winger

WHAT THE HELL !

Give people a sense of what it means to be an AMERICAN ?!?!

I know what it means to be an American, you pompous ass.

This one just got added to my favorites.

re: #56 DeafDog

True. Everything "bad" that happens will be attributed to Bush and everything "good" that happens will be the direct result of divine Obama intervention. But eventually the failures will be too huge to ignore and some of the Obamites will be forced by self-preservation to bail out on the dude.

re: #40 Ben Hur

I had to do 10 hours mandatory service to graduate from my public high school. Not sure if it was a school, district, or state requirement.

This one is really a pipe dream.

What the hell is Obama going to do when 19 year olds tell him to go f@#$ himself. Put them in jail as "conscientious objectors"?

Its not going to happen. Not by a long shot.

Nobody wants this, except maybe a small cadre of liberals who would never do community (or military) service themselves.

re: #76 Ben Hur

Gaytifada?

Palm Springs Prop 8 Rally Turns Ugly

’Artists’ Call For Punishing Theater Director Who Supported Proposition 8

What exactly is the point of voting if people are punished for their vote?

re: #88 Occasional Reader

They know because the ManBearPig Inventor of the Internet will be your Climate Czar. ENJOY!

This is being compared to the thousand points of light Bush talked about in 2000.

I really think this is a non-starter... just one of those ideas that get thrown out cause it sounds good.

The only possibility is that if you want something from the government you might have to pay for it with sweat equity. That might be the "requirement". I don't know about you, but I would love to put that to AIG...

re: #62 WriterMom

You forgot the granite countertops and the bidet, you effing cracker.

You mean Joe Bidet? The Vice President-elect?

And what happens to those who refuse to participate?

re: #96 Buck

This is being compared to the thousand points of light Bush talked about in 2000.

I really think this is a non-starter... just one of those ideas that get thrown out cause it sounds good.

Like the Department of Change.

re: #58 MandyManners

No kidding! Exactly where in the hell will they get the money?
/This president-elect may throw us into a depression!.
Crazy times I say.

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

rounded up and shot? LOL

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

And what happens to those who refuse to participate?

You get extra national service as punishment

re: #57 Occasional Reader

It's truly stunning to me that a Jew could utter those words so blithely.

Yes ... and those who don't know history are doomed to debark from the train and be led straight past the barracks toward ...

It sounded to me like he was working off of badly defined talking points. Most of his answers seemed to be hesitant and as if he was making it up as he went along.

Or, he was trying to minimize spilling too much of the actual plan. Either way, he sounded like he was not being totally honest.

That's what bothers me.

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

RE-EDUCATION OVERNIGHT CAMP FOR YOU!

re: #78 WriterMom

Yes.

I was scared to even ask 'cause I know it's a horrific subject.

With NO SMOORES.

Will the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy apply to the Civilian Rapid Americanization Plan service?

re: #90 Iron Fist

I think I've only ever been called a "cracker" by one guy.

If you have Scottish blood, you're a Graham Cracker.

If you're rich, you can be a Ritz Cracker.

Maybe I can serve by working and giving some of my pay to the government...oh...wait

Laugh like

"Ha ha, we're not doing that"

or laugh like

"Ha! We've got you now my pretty. And your little dog too!"?

Have you noticed ?

All the evil fascist oppressive things the left accused George Bush of doing, that he did not, are becoming part of the Obama administration's plan for America.

Communist Reeducation Camps.

Behead those who laugh at mandatory civilian service!

re: #107 MandyManners

MM-it's really important to read about the Jews who participated in their own destruction. There are several diaries from the Holocaust that document the phenomenon. Also, Ken Levin's book: The Oslo Syndrome is a good summary. But really-it's not just a Jewish thing. Western civilization has become it's own capo, too IMHO, participating in it's own implosion with unprescedented nihilistic glee.

Hello mother, Hello Father
Here I am at Camp Obama.

re: #86 yesandno

Agree...noticed he only got out one sylable of 'chem' in chemical.

However, despite that, it is best not to bury the dead while they are still breathing.

They all talked about fear being a talking point on the part of Repubs. They are going to promote fear and then use a take over of individual liberties as a solution to the problem...it takes a village of the damned to relinquish Constitutional rights as a matter of course.

I fear them more then anything.

It's as if the past eight years have been one big projection from them.

re: #75 mama winger

WHAT THE HELL !

Give people a sense of what it means to be an AMERICAN ?!?!

I know what it means to be an American, you pompous ass.

Yours is a "false consciousness", you poor, benighted prole. Your betters will teach you, don't worry.

re: #80 RoughRider

Uh, no. That's not going to happen. Let's not get hysterical, here, kids.

re: #119 Ringo the Gringo

Hee hee.

Camp is really entertaining
Komrade says we'll have some fun when we start greying...

re: #90 Iron Fist

I think I've only ever been called a "cracker" by one guy. He was a friend, and made the comment jokingly. He called us all a bunch of "n***-lovers" too (he was black). If anyone else had talked to us like that. their life would have gotten exceedingly intersting, nasty, poor, and brutish. Not to mention short.

As it was, we weren't quite sure how to take it.

At the time, I didn't know WTF they meant by it.

I knew it was bad because they were pissed.

Could be a little understandable.

We got to get back on the bus and leave.

re: #112 MandyManners

Oh, now you've done it. My eyes are bigger than saucers and my eyebrows are as high as my hairline.

We have a new gang here in New Jersey MOE - Muslims Over Everything. A real gang that competes with the Crips et al.

re: #100 Suzette

No kidding! Exactly where in the hell will they get the money?
/This president-elect may throw us into a depression!.
Crazy times I say.

I will move The Kid to Bermuda.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

Yours is a "false consciousness", you poor, benighted prole. Your betters will teach you, don't worry.

Yeah, them and what Army ?

oh wait ...

BBL

re: #98 Ringo the Gringo

And what happens to those who refuse to participate?

See my #93 above.

I'd request deferment, as a conscientious objector.
Working for the Federal gov't under the Obama adminstration is against my religion.

re: #118 WriterMom

MM-it's really important to read about the Jews who participated in their own destruction. There are several diaries from the Holocaust that document the phenomenon. Also, Ken Levin's book: The Oslo Syndrome is a good summary. But really-it's not just a Jewish thing. Western civilization has become it's own capo, too IMHO, participating in it's own implosion with unprescedented nihilistic glee.

I swear McCain had some kind of Stockholm syndrome in relationship to the Dems

re: #122 Occasional Reader

I think there are legitimate concerns that an Obama directed civil service order could cause issues of conscience for people...it's very easy to imagine. What would you do then.

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

It sounded to me like he was working off of badly defined talking points. Most of his answers seemed to be hesitant and as if he was making it up as he went along.

That, and of course this audio clip is edited, and I can't always tell when he's being sarcastic to the interviewer. So I'm taking this with a healthy dose of salt.

re: #118 WriterMom

MM-it's really important to read about the Jews who participated in their own destruction. There are several diaries from the Holocaust that document the phenomenon. Also, Ken Levin's book: The Oslo Syndrome is a good summary. But really-it's not just a Jewish thing. Western civilization has become it's own capo, too IMHO, participating in it's own implosion with unprescedented nihilistic glee.

I'd heard of Kapos before I joined LGF but, reading here has been a major education.

Is it based on self-hatred stemming from guilt?

re: #121 Occasional Reader

Yours is a "false consciousness", you poor, benighted prole. Your betters will teach you, don't worry.

If Emanuel wants to know how concerned we are with feeling "what it's like to be American" why doesn't he just make it all volunteer. Compare how many people actually volunteer with how many he was planning on forcing to participate and that'll be a pretty good indication of how many people care about his America.

re: #122 Occasional Reader

Uh, no. That's not going to happen. Let's not get hysterical, here, kids.

I somewhat agree, but then again I would have never believed anyone who predicted that Black Panthers would be standing at polling stations with billysticks.

re: #30 Occasional Reader

Isn't Emanuel referring to the plan set out in his book? Not (necessarily) Obama's plan?

I'll bet that's where Bo's 'plan' came from.

re: #57 Occasional Reader

It's truly stunning to me that a Jew could utter those words so blithely.

That was my same take.
/This is madness!

re: #119 Ringo the Gringo

Hello mother, Hello Father
Here I am at Camp Obama.

*hysterical laughter*

re: #63 freedombilly

2nd Amendment. What 2nd Amendment? That's not the 2nd Amendment I knew.

someone will go down swinging...then another...there will be blood if these naive juveniles go there...their whole utopia will unravel

re: #130 Iron Fist

Everything that they've been afraid of is exactly what they want to do

Like Mandy said - 8 years of projection.

In their hearts , lefties just want total control. And free stuff.

Off-topic, but do you think maybe now we can stop getting lectured by Europeans about how "racist" we are?
[Link: www.cleveland.com...]

Of course not...what a dumb question. Those "sophisticated" Europeans are so much more advanced than us primitive American rubes. Of course, I've always thought that any continent that built gas chambers and crematoria for the mass extermination of vast swaths of its own population ought to look in the f*cking mirror before passing judgement on anyone...I'm funny that way.

Imagine if a Republican if Dick Cheney had suggested mandatory service for a presidential civil security force.

That would have been like Darth Vader.

re: #125 DistantThunder

We have a new gang here in New Jersey MOE - Muslims Over Everything. A real gang that competes with the Crips et al.

WTF? Seriously? Any connection to the Ft. Dix Muslims?

re: #132 WriterMom

I think there are legitimate concerns that an Obama directed civil service order could cause issues of conscience for people...it's very easy to imagine. What would you do then.

Civil disobedience. I have no problem with civil disobedience.

re: #123 WriterMom

Hee hee.

Camp is really entertaining

I never did the summer camp thing.

Pretty much ALL my Jewish friends did... it seems very ingrained in Jewish-American culture that kids go to camp in the summer. Same in Canuckistan?

re: #130 Iron Fist

Yep. Everything that they've been afraid of is exactly what they want to do. Dissent will no longer be patriotism. Nor free speech.

Well, fuck that.

re: #143 DistantThunder

Imagine if a Republican if Dick Cheney had suggested mandatory service for a presidential civil security force.

They would have gone batshit crazy - even more than they already are.

re: #125 DistantThunder

We have a new gang here in New Jersey MOE - Muslims Over Everything. A real gang that competes with the Crips et al.

Here's hoping that they all lose.

Neither he nor his brother ever served this country if money wasn't for the taking

re: #142 stanleymberg

I wonder how long liberals will be able to keep looking to Europe for advice before even they get tired of hearing "what America should do".

re: #132 WriterMom

I think there are legitimate concerns that an Obama directed civil service order could cause issues of conscience for people...it's very easy to imagine. What would you do then.

But, if it'd be for non-violent purposes, would it violate religious beliefs?

re: #133 Occasional Reader

That, and of course this audio clip is edited, and I can't always tell when he's being sarcastic to the interviewer. So I'm taking this with a healthy dose of salt.

And, the background noise is annoying.

re: #144 MandyManners

WTF? Seriously? Any connection to the Ft. Dix Muslims?

No I think those guys were just a bunch of self anointed terrorists - this other gang is the real deal, and it is throughout Jersey.

I think for the next four years at least, I will have a rote response to every shitty thing that comes up:

Did you vote for Obama and the Democrat, you dumb fuck.

re: #133 Occasional Reader

That, and of course this audio clip is edited, and I can't always tell when he's being sarcastic to the interviewer. So I'm taking this with a healthy dose of salt.

For sure this was edited, and I was bothered by that myself. I'm not sure if that clip has much value period.

This essentially IS a national draft, similar to what can be seen in other countries like Israel.

Once you hit a certain age, you MUST join the military, go through training, and you are essentially on reserve your entire adult life.

The only thing I can say, at least using the IDF as a case study -- it does seem to cause a net increase in patriotism. I was listening an IDF officer speak recently, and he was saying that the army was like a melting pot for Israeli's, where people from all walks of life meet and interact and rely on each other in ways they never would in normal life.

Did you drink the Koolaid?

re: #134 MandyManners

The actual kapos in the Holocaust were basically assistants to the Nazis. Some writers suggest that they were trying to mitigate the hell, but there seems to be a weak case for that. The Jewish Oslo thing is a little more complicated because it's volunteer-not under threat of immediate extermination. It's the idea that if we are just a little nicer to our enemies-they will like us so much that they will forget about their genocidal aims. However, this is quite divorced from actual Jewish sources. False messiahs have attracted Jewish followers for many years: Shabtai Tzvi, communism, the "peace process"...etc..

re: #135 bosforus

If Emanuel wants to know how concerned we are with feeling "what it's like to be American" why doesn't he just make it all volunteer. Compare how many people actually volunteer with how many he was planning on forcing to participate and that'll be a pretty good indication of how many people care about his America.

I don't know. I've been an American for well over a half century these days and I come from a very long line of Americans, going all the way back to the First Americans standing on the shores when the Europeans arrived. I suspect that I have at least as good an idea of what it means to be an American and what our common heritage, belief and experiences are as Rahm Emmanuel does and a gazillion times more than Barak Hussein Obama.

He can take his vision of America and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

re: #136 Silhouette

I somewhat agree, but then again I would have never believed anyone who predicted that Black Panthers would be standing at polling stations with billysticks.

To be accurate, that happened at one polling station, and was quickly shut down.

It's not cool to post about 'crips and bloods' in this thread, and any comments like that will be deleted.

re: #20 Ben Hur

If the Rahm don't get ya, than the lightening will.

Won't you slave just a little bit harder, won't you slave just a little bit more?

re: #136 Silhouette

I somewhat agree, but then again I would have never believed anyone who predicted that Black Panthers would be standing at polling stations with billysticks.

And let's not overplay that, either. It was one incident, in one city, at one polling precinct; the police responded, and removed them. I'm finding it a little disheartening seeing lizards (not you, AFAIK) who have hysterically extrapolated from that, to "OBAMA'S BLACK PANTHERS WILL BE RUNNING THE ELECTIONS IN 2012!".

re: #157 Joo-LiZ

This essentially IS a national draft, similar to what can be seen in other countries like Israel.

Once you hit a certain age, you MUST join the military, go through training, and you are essentially on reserve your entire adult life.

The only thing I can say, at least using the IDF as a case study -- it does seem to cause a net increase in patriotism. I was listening an IDF officer speak recently, and he was saying that the army was like a melting pot for Israeli's, where people from all walks of life meet and interact and rely on each other in ways they never would in normal life.

The only difference is that Israel does it for purposes of survival.

re: #138 Suzette

That was my same take.
/This is madness!

Hmmm, I've no way of knowing, of course, but what if Emanuel's mindset is: "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" ?

All the (self-)justification one needs is right there in those words.

/yeah right, you self-righteous assh*le

Nice alto sax in the background. I wonder where they were when they recorded it.

I think the O is going to fly nose first right into the turf.

re: #146 Occasional Reader

Yes. Camp is awesome, overnight in spectacular northern Ontario for me and day camps. I don't know anyone who didn't go to camp. I was a camper and a counsellor. Loved it.

re: #157 Joo-LiZ

This essentially IS a national draft, similar to what can be seen in other countries like Israel.

Once you hit a certain age, you MUST join the military, go through training, and you are essentially on reserve your entire adult life.

The only thing I can say, at least using the IDF as a case study -- it does seem to cause a net increase in patriotism. I was listening an IDF officer speak recently, and he was saying that the army was like a melting pot for Israeli's, where people from all walks of life meet and interact and rely on each other in ways they never would in normal life.

It is social engineering and we already have plenty of volunteers to help people. Who wants a bunch of miserable barely more than teenage conscipts who don't really want to be there?

I'm from the government and I'm here to help...will be even more unsettling.

re: #155 Opinionated

Naw, you can go for the clean approach, which could be any of the following:

I told you so.
Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy.
I warned you, but you didn't listen.
That's what happens when you listen to the media and don't bother to do your own damn research on who this guy really is and what he represents.

re: #157 Joo-LiZ

This essentially IS a national draft, similar to what can be seen in other countries like Israel.

Once you hit a certain age, you MUST join the military, go through training, and you are essentially on reserve your entire adult life.

The only thing I can say, at least using the IDF as a case study -- it does seem to cause a net increase in patriotism. I was listening an IDF officer speak recently, and he was saying that the army was like a melting pot for Israeli's, where people from all walks of life meet and interact and rely on each other in ways they never would in normal life.

There is no allowance under the US Constitution for a national draft for any purpose whatever other than to raise a military. Specifically a military. Not a civilian anything.

If the Israeli experience does so well at increasing patriotism, then may I inquire as to why so many Israelis seem to be doing their damndest to throw your nation away hand over fist at any cost?

It's edited, yes. But his statements about mandatory service are very clear, and pretty direct. I don't hear any edits that change the meaning of his words.

I have a plan, Let's do the same thing as Rahm proposes, make it voluntary, and pay the participants. Oh, wait, they already did that, it's called the US Armed Forces.

I think I've summed up this upcoming administration in a statement... Anything times Zero is still zero.

"And this one time, at slave labor camp..."

re: #161 Charles

It happened at my polling station too - minus the billyclubs and the media attention.

re: #166 rawmuse

Nice alto sax in the background. I wonder where they were when they recorded it.

I think (THINK) he said, right at the beginning.

re: #170 lawhawk

Naw, you can go for the clean approach, which could be any of the following:

I told you so.
Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy.
I warned you, but you didn't listen.
That's what happens when you listen to the media and don't bother to do your own damn research on who this guy really is and what he represents.

Maybe I'll go for the clean approach when my anger subsides. If my anger subsides. From what I anticipate, I believe my anger will increase as Obama starts changing America.

re: #168 WriterMom

I don't know anyone who didn't go to camp.

You do now!

I am campless. Camp-free. Decamped.

re: #154 DistantThunder

No I think those guys were just a bunch of self anointed terrorists - this other gang is the real deal, and it is throughout Jersey.

First I've heard about it. Any links you can post?

re: #166 rawmuse

Nice alto sax in the background. I wonder where they were when they recorded it.

The Regency Hotel in Manhattan.

I don't have a problem with the gov't encouraging people to do community service. I don't even necessarily have a problem in principle, with Federal gov't sponsored programs to help with that (though the devil is in the details).

But I do have a BIG problem with the Federal gov't displacing private sector volunteerism or community work with mandatory service requirements. The gov't should simply STAY OUT of this sort of thing.

One of the stupidest things possible is for the Federal gov't to pay a bunch of teenagers too much money to do non-work (ie make-work) that they don't want to do. Its just welfare for teenagers.

You want to serve your COUNTRY? Join the armed forces. (Or run for public office).

You want to help your community? Walk down to your nearest church (synagogue, mosque, salvation army, red cross, goodwill, hospital, etc), and volunteer. Its not that hard, and the self-selection process ensures that the people who do it, are ones who actually WANT to do it!

Circle of love...rrright...why not 'circle of cool'?

Let me see if I've got this straight, as initially stated by Rahm & BO or RAhMBO all Americans between the ages of 18 to 25 must 'go away' for mandatory service and be indoctrinated or trained or channeled or brainwashed in something about something for something for anything to be determined by legislation later for 3, 4 months or more or less by the government for the government of these idiots by these morons!

These jokers couldn't run a two-man, sugar-free, lemonade stand at a trailer park yard sale! Why sugar-free, you ask? These clowns couldn't handle the pressures of detail.

What a gaggle of idiots at which to gander amazingly, truly...ROTFPIMPLMAO!

re: #152 MandyManners

I'm just thinking out loud (out type?). Imagine being mandated to serve at a methodane clinic or something...something that goes against your religious or political beliefs. Anything could be put under a 'civil works' category.

re: #170 lawhawk

Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy.

Don't blame me, I voted the "Stasis/Despair" ticket.

(partial hat tip: Dirk Diggler)

re: #93 looking closely

This one is really a pipe dream.

What the hell is Obama going to do when 19 year olds tell him to go f@#$ himself. Put them in jail as "conscientious objectors"?

Its not going to happen. Not by a long shot.

Nobody wants this, except maybe a small cadre of liberals who would never do community (or military) service themselves.

If he were to actually do something like this, I'm sure there would be incentives to 'cooperate'. Like no diploma/degree unless you do community service or heavy tuition subsidies if you serve. It would not appear to be as odious as it now looks...even though it still would be.

re: #163 Occasional Reader

Not one city, one polling place.

Just one that you heard about.

I think you're all wrong. It's good to submit. These people want what's best for all of us. I know because they said so.

A cynical, questioning mind is an un-happy and troubled mind. All these freedoms you've enjoyed have only led to problems for you so it really is time to move beyond jingoist concepts of "freedom", "individuality" "self determination".

Can't you see? These are all concepts that have led to strife, friction and derision among the masses.

Come together under The One,
Submit to the will of the global village,
Embrace the peace that comes with letting go of hate, fear and knowledge.

Submit! Suuubmiiit! Suuubmmmiiit! (or else)

re: #159 WriterMom

The actual kapos in the Holocaust were basically assistants to the Nazis. Some writers suggest that they were trying to mitigate the hell, but there seems to be a weak case for that. The Jewish Oslo thing is a little more complicated because it's volunteer-not under threat of immediate extermination. It's the idea that if we are just a little nicer to our enemies-they will like us so much that they will forget about their genocidal aims. However, this is quite divorced from actual Jewish sources. False messiahs have attracted Jewish followers for many years: Shabtai Tzvi, communism, the "peace process"...etc..

When will they learn?

re: #181 Charles

The Regency Hotel in Manhattan.

Y'mean, they were havin' sax in a hotel?!
*gasp*

re: #188 docremulac

Can you set that to music? Perhaps something along the lines of "Muskrat Love"?

OK, let me rephrase that: These guys are behaving like gangsters. The American people will not tolerate that, and public opinion will turn against the Obama administration. They will lose elections in 2010 if they were to implement a draft of any kind. Sheesh.

re: #179 Occasional Reader

Oy. Poor thing. How could you ever be camp-enstated for that.

(If you ever get the chance, Canadian Wilderness Adventures has spectacular trips in Algonquin Park...one of the most beautiful places on earth is Muskoka, Ontario.)

Hello Fadda, hello Mama
Here I am at Camp Obama
Camp is very entertaining
And they say we'll have some fun if he stops reigning.

Please Lizards,

Let us step back and remember that we don't want to fitted with those tin foil hats so quickly.

Some of you might be willing to move into the derangement syndrome barracks left empty by the election, but I would like to urge restraint.

Let them present the final "draft"... no reason to scream into the night about something that isn't really there.

Patience. I promise they will give you enough real shit to eat. There is really no reason to make shit up.

The full recording is here:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

re: #161 Charles

Well Charles. I was very surprised to see them pull that (Black Panthers)

re: #168 WriterMom

Yes. Camp is awesome, overnight in spectacular northern Ontario for me and day camps. I don't know anyone who didn't go to camp. I was a camper and a counsellor. Loved it.

What is this "camp" of which you speak?

re: #180 MandyManners

First I've heard about it. Any links you can post?

Trentonian article - corny title

re: #133 Occasional Reader

That, and of course this audio clip is edited, and I can't always tell when he's being sarcastic to the interviewer. So I'm taking this with a healthy dose of salt.

Sounds to me like he's doing background for a column, so the situation would be pretty informal. I think the sarcasm is pretty revealing; displays a kind of smug confidence that his proposal is obviously the only sensible thing to do.

re: #134 MandyManners

As far as kapo's I think it was more along the line of they will do anything to prevent going to the showers even if it meant turning on ones own. Not to mention the power effect also.
/sad

re: #187 mama winger

Not one city, one polling place.

Just one that you heard about.

You have a reliable source for Black Panthers menacing voters in other instances?

You are getting a taste of the Chicago Way.

They think they have the right to force you into mandatory service. Talk to people who work at City Hall in Chicago and they will tell you about being "volunteered" to work for free on weekends for various functions to keep their jobs. I had a relative at Chicago City Hall whose paycheck was automatically deducted for his "contributions".

They think they have the position to tell you what it means to be an American.

Just as they think they are entitled to win in every election regardless of what they have to do or say to make it happen.

As someone who watched the Illinois Republican party get destroyed by these people over the recent past, I can tell you that these people are not kidding around.

I would take this very seriously.

This maybe classified as Black Helicopter lunacy, but as of today, much of what Obama would want to do may be thwarted by five Justices (if we can trust Kennedy). If anything happens to any of these Justices I would really worry.

This interviewer sounds like a little kid trapped in a cage with Hannibal Lecter and he's just figured out that he is lunch.

I think one thing that will be key in bringing this down is to pound away at the question "to what end?". The answers to that question, so far, have been pretty weak.
To create a better America: only 54% even wanted Obama as president
To create a common experience: too many rebuttals to that one to list - if we want a common experience why can't we choose one ourselves? for starters.
I just don't see this going anywhere, but if it does, I think asking "to what end?" will be the way to stop it.

re: #182 looking closely

I don't have a problem with the gov't encouraging people to do community service. I don't even necessarily have a problem in principle, with Federal gov't sponsored programs to help with that (though the devil is in the details).

But I do have a BIG problem with the Federal gov't displacing private sector volunteerism or community work with mandatory service requirements. The gov't should simply STAY OUT of this sort of thing.

One of the stupidest things possible is for the Federal gov't to pay a bunch of teenagers too much money to do non-work (ie make-work) that they don't want to do. Its just welfare for teenagers.

You want to serve your COUNTRY? Join the armed forces. (Or run for public office).

You want to help your community? Walk down to your nearest church (synagogue, mosque, salvation army, red cross, goodwill, hospital, etc), and volunteer. Its not that hard, and the self-selection process ensures that the people who do it, are ones who actually WANT to do it!

And, the library. Public schools. The park departments.

re: #185 Occasional Reader

That was really a wickedly funny line. DIRK DIRK we luvs ya!

re: #190 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Y'mean, they were havin' sax in a hotel?!
*gasp*

It's just the tenor of the times.

And all of this stuff is clearly unconstitutional. Slavery is outlawed.
No matter what happens, Barack Obama is going to have to put his hand on the Bible and Swear an Oath to Defend and Uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, on January 20, 2009.

If he goes back on his oath, one of two things will happen.
Either
a) he is in a world of shit.
b) we are in a world of shit.

re: #184 WriterMom

I'm just thinking out loud (out type?). Imagine being mandated to serve at a methodane clinic or something...something that goes against your religious or political beliefs. Anything could be put under a 'civil works' category.

Who's gonna' pay the costs to protect those workers?!

I wouldn't surprise me in the least if Obummer and Rahm tried to pull this off, or another harebrained scheme. Barry's grandiose, overly idealistic, naive, has little real-world experience, and has legions of sycophants.

re: #207 MandyManners

And, the library. Public schools. The park departments.

Animal shelter.

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, it's camps actually, but I'm not going to name the ones I went to in this forum.

NOT re-education camp, don't worry.

re: #210 rawmuse

Oh, I'm guessing b).

re: #189 MandyManners

When will they learn?

I does sometimes work to be nice to our enemies, when we're talking about the school bake sale type enemies. Not genocidal monster type enemies.

It's over... this dream of America (dreams of his father - land will no take precedence)

re: #202 Occasional Reader

You have a reliable source for Black Panthers menacing voters in other instances?

Me.

re: #212 neocon hippie

Bbbbut...it's for the children!

/

re: #203 3 wood

If they overreach like this, they'll go down.

And I think the smarter people in the Obama Circle of Love will figure that out.

re: #213 MandyManners

Animal shelter.

Oh please oh please oh please do not send those teenagers my way ...

now

re: #191 mama winger

"re: #188 docremulac

Can you set that to music? Perhaps something along the lines of "Muskrat Love"?"

Very good choice but I was thinking something more along the lines of that therimin music they play in 50s horror movies when the martians land. You know, like "woooOOOooo"

re: #155 Opinionated

I think for the next four years at least, I will have a rote response to every shitty thing that comes up:

Did you vote for Obama and the Democrat, you dumb fuck.

Well---if they become disenchanted---do you really think they will admit it?
They don't have the back-bone to.

In Cuba they have Revolutionary Youth Camps where young people in their late teens and early twenties work on farms, learn to roll cigars and do some military training during the daytime, and party, drink rum and have sex on the beach at night.

Perhaps this is what our new ruler has in mind?

re: #188 docremulac

Submit! Suuubmiiit! Suuubmmmiiit!

Kinda sounds like what one would hear as a child in an Islamic school: say in Dubai, or Jordan, ... or Indonesia.

I told a rabid Obama supporter here in NY that his teenage daughter could end up forced into national service. He laughed me off.

re: #212 neocon hippie

I wouldn't surprise me in the least if Obummer and Rahm tried to pull this off, or another harebrained scheme. Barry's grandiose, overly idealistic, naive, has little real-world experience, and has legions of sycophants.

But on the bright side of that, the day after Obama was elected those sycophants went right back to video games and MTV. The existing infrastructure of meaningful political opposition is still very well intact.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

re: #199 DistantThunder

Trentonian article - corny title

THANKS!

NOI?

re: #209 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's just the tenor of the times.

No reason to keep blowing your horn over it...

em>re: #222 trolamc

now

What?

Supremely ironic that a "black" politician should propose something unconstitutional under the 13th Amendment.

Funny that he is a Democrat; the Democrats voted on party lines against the 13th Amendment in 1865.

All madness now.

re: #197 Dustoff-507

Well Charles. I was very surprised to see them pull that (Black Panthers)

I highly doubt any "official" in the Obama camp authorized or even knew that these two chuckle-head were going to dio that

re: #201 Suzette

As far as kapo's I think it was more along the line of they will do anything to prevent going to the showers even if it meant turning on ones own. Not to mention the power effect also.
/sad

Or, in Soros' case, he was completely amoral in his actions.

re: #182 looking closely

But I do have a BIG problem with the Federal gov't displacing private sector volunteerism or community work with mandatory service requirements.

And the same people who think this is a bright idea, will then turn around and bemoan the plight of the "working poor"... who lose their low-skill jobs to teenagers who work for "free" [i.e., paid for by taxpayers]. And they'll see no contradiction.

This is simple leftist day dreaming. Mandatory civilian service? By what right?

re: #218 mama winger

Me.

You personally saw Black Panters menacing voters?

I thought that all of the "Acorn" voting fraud stories were overblown. Until about a month before the election when I couldn't go anywhere downtown without people running up to me asking me to register. I'd say "I'm already registered" before they could even say anything and 90% of the time, the canvasser would say something like "It doesn't matter, man. I just need as many signatures as I can get so I can get paid!". Some were incredibly annoying and persistent and I'm sure if I'd asked them for something in return (a ride, a cigarette, a buck or two) they'd have given it to me. That was a real eye-opener.

re: #202 Occasional Reader

You have a reliable source for Black Panthers menacing voters in other instances?

I should clarify. I do not know if the large menacing group of black men bussed in from Chicago and placed at the entrance to my polling station were actually registered members of the Black Panther organization. I do know that they came on the ACORN bus from downtown Chicago and stationed themselves all day at the entrance to the polls.

they said they were 'observers'

re: #203 3 wood

You are getting a taste of the Chicago Way.

They think they have the right to force you into mandatory service. Talk to people who work at City Hall in Chicago and they will tell you about being "volunteered" to work for free on weekends for various functions to keep their jobs. I had a relative at Chicago City Hall whose paycheck was automatically deducted for his "contributions".
They think they have the position to tell you what it means to be an American.

Just as they think they are entitled to win in every election regardless of what they have to do or say to make it happen.

As someone who watched the Illinois Republican party get destroyed by these people over the recent past, I can tell you that these people are not kidding around.

I would take this very seriously.

Why in the world haven't people fought back through the federal courts?

re: #192 legalpad

OK, let me rephrase that: These guys are behaving like gangsters. The American people will not tolerate that, and public opinion will turn against the Obama administration. They will lose elections in 2010 if they were to implement a draft of any kind. Sheesh.

Public Opinion means damned-all if a single party has total control of the United States Government. And it looks like they are going to get it.

re: #203 3 wood

Hey Wood, watching the Obama market? Down another 300 points.

re: #216 DistantThunder

I does sometimes work to be nice to our enemies, when we're talking about the school bake sale type enemies. Not genocidal monster type enemies.

True, that.

re: #209 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's just the tenor of the times.

*barf*
heh
I'd love to start a pun thread, but I've GOT to get something else done here. RATS!

When the majority of European nations become ruled by Sharia, within the next 75 years or so.

re: #151 bosforus

I wonder how long liberals will be able to keep looking to Europe for advice before even they get tired of hearing "what America should do".

But seriously, I wouldn't be at all surprised if right at this minute, Orwell's 1984 is being removed from required reading lists at Universities and Schools all across the country.

Is there a list somewhere that shows that?

re: #232 Iron Fist

I can imagine some scenarios in which every man and woman who ever swore a similar oath would be motivated to take action to restore the authority of the Constitution. How many millions of them are there in the population. A safe guess would be about 10 to 20 million. Imagine all them marching on Washington, armed.

I think a)

re: #221 mama winger

Oh please oh please oh please do not send those teenagers my way ...

I'm talking about those who WANT to be there, not those who are forced.

re: #203 3 wood

And I concour, 3 Wood. These people are not fooling around when they talk about this. It's spread from Chicago City Hall to Cook County, and now this virus has infected the state government under Rod Blagojevich. Not too much of a suprise when you consider that Rod's seat was taken over by none other than Rahm Emmanuel when Blago became governor, and his father-in-law is none other than Dick Mell, a rather influential Chicago Alderman.

It's the Daley Machine goes to Washington.

re: #240 mama winger

I do not know if the large menacing group of black men

Okay. But what did they to to "menace"? (In the Philly Black Panther case it was clear, they were displaying weapons at the entrance.)

re: #203 3 wood

You are getting a taste of the Chicago Way.

They think they have the right to force you into mandatory service. Talk to people who work at City Hall in Chicago and they will tell you about being "volunteered" to work for free on weekends for various functions to keep their jobs. I had a relative at Chicago City Hall whose paycheck was automatically deducted for his "contributions".

They think they have the position to tell you what it means to be an American.

Just as they think they are entitled to win in every election regardless of what they have to do or say to make it happen.

As someone who watched the Illinois Republican party get destroyed by these people over the recent past, I can tell you that these people are not kidding around.

I would take this very seriously.

Listen to 3 Wood. He knows what he is talking about. He speaks the truth here.

re: #1 looking closely

Of course he did.
The whole idea is laughable.
Who the hell needs a civilian draft?

A communist.

This scares the hell out of me, since this guy has been appointed.
The economy scares the hell out of me.

This country needs confidence right now. It is running scared. I don't see anyone helping build confidence, or leading, right now.

re: #161 Charles

I was there, Charles on a lawyers security team for the GOP. 1212 Fairmont Avenue, Philadelphia. A polling place in the heart of the black community in Philadelphia. Two large black men wearing Black Panthers uniforms standing in the entrance to the polling place, one of them holding the billy stick over his head, chanting, "The Black Man will rule over the White Man", over and over.

The cops eventually ran off the guy with the billy stick, but failed to arrest him. The other unarmed, but uniformed, Black Panther was permitted to remain in place at the entrance to the polls.

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

dreams of my father -land will now _not "no" as typed previously_ take effect

The Democrats have sure progressed.

Once it took a voluntary village.

Soon it would take compulsion.

What's in the future- Submission?

I am off. I plan to do several software upgrades today. OSX 10.5, and some others. Later, Lizards.

re: #248 rawmuse

Then both a) and b).

re: #254 Max Darkside

Rough times.

Rejection in elections 2010, 2012.

Then "Change".

It is to laugh.

BBL

Liberals read "required community service" and think "Service. How nice. And for the community too!"

Conservatives think, "Required?"

re: #234 sattv4u2

True, but from the video. They had the balls to not back down. Makes you wonder.

re: #251 Occasional Reader

Okay. But what did they to to "menace"? (In the Philly Black Panther case it was clear, they were displaying weapons at the entrance.)

They sat immediately inside the entrance to the polling station and stared at each individual as they came thru the door. They got in my face each time I posed a challenge to a new voter registration. They told me on two occasions "I wouldn't do that if I were you." They stood over people as they registered to vote.

I had to call the election judge. I cannot give you more details as the thing has gone up the election chain, legal wise.

re: #142 stanleymberg

Off-topic, but do you think maybe now we can stop getting lectured by Europeans about how "racist" we are?
[Link: www.cleveland.com...]

Of course not...what a dumb question. Those "sophisticated" Europeans are so much more advanced than us primitive American rubes. Of course, I've always thought that any continent that built gas chambers and crematoria for the mass extermination of vast swaths of its own population ought to look in the f*cking mirror before passing judgement on anyone...I'm funny that way.

While I understand your anger, may i remind you that it was not the continet of Europe which built gas chambers, but one country, namely Germany.

And may I also remind you that it was Great Britain who stood alone - after France, Scandinavia etc - had caved in to Hitler and his jack-booted army.

Without the sacrifice of the RAF ('Battle of Britain', anyone?) and of our Navy and Merchant Navy, Hitler would indeed have finished off the whole continent.

So I do object, as Brit, being thrown into the same pot as Hitler and the rest.

re: #255 quickjustice

I was there, Charles on a lawyers security team for the GOP. 1212 Fairmont Avenue, Philadelphia. A polling place in the heart of the black community in Philadelphia. Two large black men wearing Black Panthers uniforms standing in the entrance to the polling place, one of them holding the billy stick over his head, chanting, "The Black Man will rule over the White Man", over and over.

The cops eventually ran off the guy with the billy stick, but failed to arrest him. The other unarmed, but uniformed, Black Panther was permitted to remain in place at the entrance to the polls.

I know, I posted the video showing the guy with the nightstick. My point is that only one incident like that was reported, and it was stopped.

re: #261 Silhouette

Conservatives think, "Required?"

That's because we're selfish, and unpatriotic.

/

re: #256 trolamc

dreams of my father -land will now _not "no" as typed previously_ take effect

Ok. Anyone here this morning on this thread. Is it me? Am I missing something here? is is trolamc being a bit obscure?

Really, I need to know, or else, it may not be safe for me to be driving later today.

Geeessshhh.

Most of you are missing the real intent.
Rahm Emanuel (is there a single picture of him that DOESN'T look diabolically sinister?) and The Messiah seem to be convinced that Americans are 'wrong-thinking' and need to be RE-EDUCATED.

This youth draft for community service WILL happen.
It WILL be a $500B organization with the same power as the military.
And it will attempt to produce The New Socialist American.

I predict 4 years of stupidity, waste, corruption, poverty, and real danger to the Republic.

I also fully expect Associated Pravda and various other members of the MSM to fully support this just as energetically as they supported the election of The Messiah. They'll be thinking that if The Messiah fails, they are already in too deep to escape repercussions, so they'll jump in with both feet.

The Republic is truly in Peril.

I take Rahm's comment "circle of love" as the direct opposite. The program will be a way to remove opposition of Obama's policies. I really think this will be one of the first agenda item's Obama tries to push through, but it will be made to look like a 'circle of love'. The sooner he subdues opposition the better for him.