Has the Obama Administration signaled their agreement with it?

Fascism is on the rise.

It is time for the US to leave the UN and ask them to relocate.

If the campaign succeeds, states that presume to speak in the name of religion will be able to crush religious freedom not only in their own country, but abroad.

For that reason alone, no one from Western Society should be involved in this conference.

re: #3 Ford_Prefect

It is time for the US to leave the UN and ask them to relocate.

And by "ask" I mean evict.

The lofty-sounding principle is, in fact, a cleverly coded way of granting religious leaders the right to criminalize speech and activities that they deem to insult religion.

The CS Monitor actually recognized this fact. I don't believe it.

a campaign championed by the 56-member Organization of Islamic Conference that puts the rights of religions ahead of individual liberties.

Another reason for the West not to partake. This is completely antithetical to our basic understanding of liberty.

And thus begins the fall of Western Civilization. It was nice while it lasted, inshallah.

What could the forbidden-to-walk-in-Mecca infidels attending this conference be thinking?

What. The. Hell.

It really is time to withdraw from the UN.

re: #8 The Jinxmedic

And thus begins the fall of Western Civilization. It was nice while it lasted, inshallah.

Hey now, there are 55 Million of us out here who voted for John McCain and will fight any efforts by the new President to trample on what we hold sacred... I have faith in at least that...

"...that puts the rights of religions ahead of individual liberties."

Honestly, must we really go back to the dark ages?

What's wrong with these people! It gets so frustrating sometimes.

Is that the one Livni is attending?

Of course it will also be criminal when muslims blaspheme Christians...or Jews....or......or Hindus or animists or Zoroastrians...........?

What do you mean, no? That's not fair!
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That meeting resulted in a final statement counseling promotion of “respect for religions, their places of worship, and their symbols ... therefore preventing the derision of what people consider sacred.”

It'll never work, it's the left's bread and butter. However, it's the kind of suicide the left's been looking for.

Jesu...oops.

re: #12 doppelganglander

I'm having an overwhelming urge to deface a Koran right about now.

Restrain yourself. Don't sink to their level.

therefore preventing the derision of what people consider sacred

I can see CBBHO's crowd really going for that.

re: #12 doppelganglander

I'm having an overwhelming urge to deface a Koran right about now.

Every time I go in a bookstore, I move the korans to the bottom shelf. My own silent protest.

re: #19 VegasRick

Is it still blasphemy if you mis-spell it?

"Naw! Naw! Allah Damn Saudi Arabia!"
*whack*

re: #18 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Restrain yourself. Don't sink to their level.

I won't, but mainly because I abhor the damage or destruction of any book.

re: #21 Glackinspeil

Every time I go in a bookstore, I move the korans to the bottom shelf. My own silent protest.

Or you could move them to the Fantasy section.

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is it still blasphemy if you mis-spell it?

I hope so! Double Secret BLASTphemy?

re: #21 Glackinspeil

"Every time I go in a bookstore, I move the korans to the bottom shelf."

Heh! I move them to the "Science Fiction" section. (I can usually move one or two korans to their proper location per visit.)

JM

Quick question - is this taking root in any Western country? I understand that they will ultimately push for this to be law in Western churches and synagogues but is any country considering this?

As all children know,

Paper beats Rock

Islam is not a religion. It is a cult that advocates social, political, and spiritual control over everyone on the planet. This is how they intend to accomplish that.

re: #23 Taqiyyotomist

"Naw! Naw! Allah Damn Saudi Arabia!"
*whack*

Thats funny!

Will this be banned?

It seems only right that any religion has the right to speak of it's beliefs as long as "any" means only Islam. I see a coming fight to the death. I see Islam being brought into the family of man as a result of a brilliant flash that brings understanding with the light of a thousand suns.

Rush's website down. Rush not on the air. Hmmm...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Eat it, Abdullah.

re: #33 bosforus

Rush's website down. Rush not on the air. Hmmm...

He said yesterday he would be out the rest of the week.

This is exactly what the U.N. is, a hole in the dam, a siphon, a cockroach hole in the floorboards, that allows the insanity of other nations to infect ours.

Muslims promoting "respect for other religions", that's a laugh. Name a religion that has less tolerance for other religions than Islam. Doesn't their pedophile prophet demand the death of Obama for...apparently...switching from Islam to Christianity?

or the garbage can re: #24 doppelganglander

Or you could move them to the Fantasy section.

"therefore preventing the derision of what (SOME) people consider sacred.”

'Some'... they always forget some people don't believe as they do.

re: #24 doppelganglander

Or you could move them to the Fantasy Porn section.

Fixed

re: #26 The Jinxmedic

Science-fiction? That would imply that science and Islam have something in common. I'm sure there's a section in the bookstore that has books on potty-training...or maybe in the psychology section, right in the middle of the books on delusion and psychoses.

re: #31 MandyManners

Will this be banned?

Probably.....Sharif don't like it.

The UN session is designed to endorse a meeting of religious leaders in Spain last summer that was the brainchild of King Abdullah and organized by the Muslim World League. That meeting resulted in a final statement counseling promotion of “respect for religions, their places of worship, and their symbols ... therefore preventing the derision of what people consider sacred.”

So, does this mean that SA will stop shredding bibles?

re: #36 Racer X

So naive. The conspiracy runs deep I tell ya.
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re: #26 The Jinxmedic

"Every time I go in a bookstore, I move the korans to the bottom shelf."

Heh! I move them to the "Science Fiction" section. (I can usually move one or two korans to their proper location per visit.)

JM

hahahahahahahahahahhaaa

I wanna go home!

Change you can believe in?

Don't forget now......we are the ones we've been waiting for !

re: #26 The Jinxmedic

"Every time I go in a bookstore, I move the korans to the bottom shelf."

Heh! I move them to the "Science Fiction" section. (I can usually move one or two korans to their proper location per visit.)

JM

What, there isn't enough room in the toilet?

If we agree to this perverted shit can we get some cheap oil?/

When the Saudis can tell me the names of the Catholic Church and the Synagogue in downtown Riyadh, they can talk to me about blasphemy laws.

King Abdullah calls his plan "The Fairness Doctrine."

Borg with a little dash of Klingon.

re: #26 The Jinxmedic

"Every time I go in a bookstore, I move the korans to the bottom shelf."

Heh! I move them to the "Science Fiction" section. (I can usually move one or two korans to their proper location per visit.)

JM

Put 'em next the the Playboys - really piss some people off!

re: #27 bosforus

Quick question - is this taking root in any Western country? I understand that they will ultimately push for this to be law in Western churches and synagogues but is any country considering this?

You might find this interesting:

Banks move into Islamic finance

And I read recently about U.S. Treasury folks attending a seminar on Sharia Compliant Finance.

Why? Because Saudi Arabia requested it. They've got a ton of U.S. dollars.

Connection between SCF and blasphemy laws? Don't know, but both are being touted by the same people.

re: #12 doppelganglander

This would become illegal?

click on the links

re: #53 Emperor Norton

King Abdullah calls his plan "The Fairness Doctrine."

it does fit well doesn't it?

re: #54 Ben Hur

Borg with a little dash of Klingon.

Now THAT's funny.....

re: #24 doppelganglander

Or you could move them to the Fantasy section.

re: #26 The Jinxmedic

Heh! I move them to the "Science Fiction" section. (I can usually move one or two korans to their proper location per visit.)

Why would you torture nice people looking for stories of dragons and unicorns (though I seldom see books about unicorns), or the blood on the bulkheads crowd that way?

re: #44 apachegunner

Oy. Don't go there, not even as a joke.

4 jaunte 1
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Eat it, Abdullah.

Thing is obama has every intention to make the Constitution null and void to his pleasing.

I heard Dennis Miller yesterday talk about obama's plan to by pass congress in order to join up with the Koyoto (sp?) environmental scheme... which means a hellava lot more taxes in the pockets of the UN!

obama has no respect for the Constitution as we already know and he will sell us down the river in no time.

re: #10 Fat Jolly Penguin

What. The. Hell.

It really is time to withdraw from the UN.

But the majority of voters in this country just chose to go with the guy who loves to call himself a citizen of the world, and who is all enthused about his global poverty act which will be administered by the UN.

Comments that use made-up slurs for "Muslim" are going to be deleted. I'm sure the people who are doing this have noticed that a filter stops them from posting some of these slurs, so you're deliberately making up others to get around the filters.

If you continue, your account will be blocked. There are plenty of websites that will let you do this, or you can start your own blog and then take all the credit for it.

I see this kind of story as very clarifying.....this is what we're up against, people. Islamo-totalitarianism is probably a better word for it than Islamo-fascism, but whatever....same idea. We've seen this before. It's tyranny. This is how it starts. History repeats itself. Again and again. We either resist this or we submit to it. It's really as simple as that.

re: #33 bosforus

Rush's website down. Rush not on the air. Hmmm...

Maybe he's working on a forum-site. Rush envies Charles. Heh.

re: #33 bosforus

Rush's website down. Rush not on the air. Hmmm...

he has a fill-in today.
i'm grouchy.

re: #52 NR Pax

When the Saudis can tell me the names of the Catholic Church and the Synagogue in downtown Riyadh, they can talk to me about blasphemy laws.

Our Lady of Sharia & Congregation Beth Burqa?

But since Islam is the only recognized religion, any other belief system will be fair game.

So, let me get this straight. It would henceforth be illegal for imams and mullahs to heap scorn upon the Holy Trinity, Buddha, Ganesh, or even, at the far end of where religion shades into cult and then into scam, the preposterous and odious claims of Scientology.

Riiiiiiggggghhhhht.

As to moving Korans (or Quotations of Chairman Mohammed, aka Sunna) to this or that shelf, many a Muslim has complained bitterly that western writers are defaming Islam by the very act of quoting those books, line for line, verse for verse...picking verses that make Islam look bad.

If those verses walk like satanic verse, and they quack like satanic verses, and everybody who hears them quoted comes to the conclusion that...., well. Shall it then become illegal to quote verses from the Koran, because that constitutes defaming Islam? Shall it also be illegal to make public the official determination that certain verses from the Koran constitute, of themselves, hate speech against Islam, so that the Koran itself is illegal because it defames the Koran?

re: #56 subsailor68

Yeah, seen that, it really pisses me off.

Charles, I don't even like it when folks do it to people's names and parties. It's incredibly sophomoric. Like:
Hitlery Clinton, Rethug, Repuke, Demoncrat, Democrap, et al., ad infinitum.

I see it all the time on forums. People, you don't have to be afraid to type or say the name of something you don't like. It only makes you sound like a child when you do that. Many people on Townhall use that "style" of writing, and it makes their rants seem Straight Outa the Asylum.
-Taq

re: #53 Emperor Norton

King Abdullah calls his plan "The Fairness Doctrine."

LOL... that would be so funny... if it wasn't so true.

re: #27 bosforus

Quick question - is this taking root in any Western country? I understand that they will ultimately push for this to be law in Western churches and synagogues but is any country considering this?

I don't know the exact answer to your question, but there is something similar, not exactly the same, but something similar taking place in this country and my state.

Now, if I recall, Charles and LGF have taken some flak for saying that perhaps the creationist/ID agenda is similar, where religious indoctrination would take place school in lieu of science, superceding a child's right to a good education and the parents' rights to teach their children their own faith.

The ID'ers want a version of Christian belief taught in the classrooms to children, and to heck with whatever faith the parents happen to believe their children should learn and take part in. You know this would start out bland, and mild and vague, but sooner or later the indoctrination would increase. That's the DI plan. And that plan is also antithetical to our basic understanding of liberty.

Watch B. Hussein's reaction both to the initiative and to the concept of protective blasphemy. If he received as many million in illegal donations from Saudi Arabia to buy the election as I think he did, then this will be the first instance of pay-back required by his paymasters.

re: #41 Taqiyyotomist

Science-fiction? That would imply that science and Islam have something in common. I'm sure there's a section in the bookstore that has books on potty-training...or maybe in the psychology section, right in the middle of the books on delusion and psychoses.

Really, "Science Fiction" is the easiest and most appropriate section to move a Koran when in a Borders or Barnes & Nobles or whatever other brand of corporate bookstore you might find yourself in. Sci-Fi is normally located fairly close to the the Religion section, and let's face it- what's a more accurate vision of a post apocalyptic "dystopia" than a global caliphate in our time? Move the jihadist training manual to "Science Fiction", and eventually, others will notice. (This is my own little piece of PC civil disobedience which I practice). Also, buy an inexpensive Bible when you are there (they have them as cheap as three bucks). This will be reflected on their inventory and reorder stats, it's kind of like polling. If you don't need a (or another) Bible, buy it anyway and donate it to a local church -or better yet- send it downrange to the troops in harm's way.

In a war of idealogy, you have to pick sides. And "taquiyah" (sp?) works for our side, too.

Blasphemy is in the DNA of this nation, and won't be removed by any man-made law.

Man, I'll say whatever I think, I don't care if someone else takes religious umbrage at it.

I'll fight for this too.

With force.

These guys don't know what they are playing with.

re: #34 jaunte

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Eat it, Abdullah.

So how does this wash with the logic of our courts that want to extend these rights to all non-citizens? Does that sort of logic mean that our constitution then trumps international law?
Just sayin'...

OT, but on a lighter note:

Prince Charles turns 60, still waiting for throne

Hey, Charles, how old was your grandma when she passed? 101?

Might want to get yourself a Snickers bar.

re: #81 anotherindyfilmguy

Maybe the new administration here will explain to the Saudis that "the people now own the means of production..."

Let's see the UN, or some cleric in Saudi, attempt to enforce a subpeona on a US citizen in the US and see how well that goes for them....

re: #33 bosforus

Rush's website down. Rush not on the air. Hmmm...

Maybe somebody is testing the Aussie thing?

Australian web filter to block 10,000 internet sites (from Drudge)

Really hope I'm kidding...

Isn't Bush going to this UN interfaith dialog function? It seems that I read that awhile back.

re: #70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Our Lady of Sharia & Congregation Beth Burqa?

OK, that was the best response I've ever received when I have made that remark. One of my more liberal friends tried countering with "Improvement can be a slow and subtle thing."

I gave up at that point.

The US ought to pull out of the UN and take all of our money with us. Let the whole damned house of cards come tumbling down. The world would be better for it.

Hrmmm, has anyone registered "Heretic.com" yet?

I truly hope other religions don't subscribe to this interfaith game of patty-cake, assuming it will further their own agendas, as well. This is PC taken to the nth power.

I think the word interfaith has become one of my least favorite. Almost without exception, when anything is described as interfaith - interfaith outreach, interfaith dialog - it translates to everyone stooping to the lowest common denominator out of fear of stepping on even the craziest religious whack jobs' toes. They label that as "respect" these days. With enough support, it could be unconditional.

And, to them, I say thanks for nothing.

I don't have a problem with this "Push" - as long as it fails, that is. That's because I expect that interfaith debates over banning blasphemy or not will be far more valuable that any ban itself.

At the root of fanaticism is the principle that people with deeply held beliefs have the right not to have these challenged in comparison with other beliefs; that every deeply-felt religious belief automatically entitles the believer to no less, or at least equal, dignity than those others without without the same belief. That is the principle we must fight against, for it necessarily limits our freedoms of religion, speech, and association.

It would be a watershed event if a president 0bama turned an accused American citizen over to be punished under this idea.
And would the punishment be stoning?
A jail term?
Having one's tongue cut out?
Inquiring minds want to know.

I discussed this "hidden agenda" after the Mecca Conference held by prominent Muslims in June to plan the interfaith dialogue attack: The Proposed Islamic Conquest of Western Civilization.

ron paul

racists!

Do you think this will prevent me from referring to "the prophet" by the good old European name of Mahound (peas be upon him)?

Oh no.

re: #76 reine.de.tout

I don't know the exact answer to your question, but there is something similar, not exactly the same, but something similar taking place in this country and my state.

Now, if I recall, Charles and LGF have taken some flak for saying that perhaps the creationist/ID agenda is similar, where religious indoctrination would take place school in lieu of science, superceding a child's right to a good education and the parents' rights to teach their children their own faith.

The ID'ers want a version of Christian belief taught in the classrooms to children, and to heck with whatever faith the parents happen to believe their children should learn and take part in. You know this would start out bland, and mild and vague, but sooner or later the indoctrination would increase. That's the DI plan. And that plan is also antithetical to our basic understanding of liberty.

Exactly right! The Discovery Institute is working toward nothing less than a theocracy in the United States, and the destruction of "materialistic science."

This isn't paranoia, it's a fact. The leaked document known as the "Wedge Strategy" explicitly spells out this goal:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #21 Glackinspeil

I move Jimmy Carter's books to the Horror/Science Fiction section.

What a bunch of God-Damned Stupidity! Whose definition of Blasphemy shall we use? Oh, wait, I forgot: We're dealing with a pretend-theocracy here that is looking to shore up their tenuous hold on power.

There goes that dumb idea, --NEXT!

re: #96 Charles

Exactly right! The Discovery Institute is working toward nothing less than a theocracy in the United States, and the destruction of "materialistic science."

This isn't paranoia, it's a fact. The leaked document known as the "Wedge Strategy" explicitly spells out this goal:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

When you teach intellegent design in a science room you end up with students that will never be able to intellegently design.

How could the U.N. enforce a blasphemy law?
Especially in the United States, where speech is protected.

There was never a good time to be a part of the UN.
If by blasphemy, Abdullah means saying "JAWS" is a bad movie, then we are in agreement. Somehow, I don't think so.

Criminalizing blasphemy would make every non-christian a criminal. Including king ab-dull-ah. This is the view here. From king abdullah's point of view, I'd be a criminal.

re: #100 donho1965

How could the U.N. enforce a blasphemy law?
Especially in the United States, where speech is protected.

By way of an Administration and Congress (and hence, ultimately, the Federal Judiciary) which believes that dhimmitude to the Global Munificence Of Post-Modern Mankind is an a priori good.

I did read another piece which I can no longer find that dismisses the chances of Abdullah's project being adopted. The UN is unlikely to pass anything like this.

Looks like the 9/11 hijackers have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Thanks to a compassionately conservative president who desperately wanted to show that the U.S. was tolerant of Islam, we've now created the conditions for Islam to dominate the world, using Liberal/Leftie fools as their bitches. Remember, dogs are unclean in Islam. It is now utterly impossible to portray Islam as a cult not worthy of the same dignity accorded Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc.

Lady Shariah
Christians at your feet
Wonder how you managed
To make them bleat

If you parse what the Saudi monarch actually says, according to Reuters (so take it as you want)

“Human beings were created as equals and partners on this planet,” King Abdullah said. “Either they live together in peace and harmony or they will inevitably be consumed by the flames of misunderstanding, malice and hatred.”
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"Human Beings" - most likely according to Abdullah and his Wahhabi "good book" excludes dhimmis like Christians and Jews and Buddhists and etc, etc......kind of like the "3/5ths rule".

Apart from anything else, this is a logically impossible suggestion. Religions blaspheme AGAINST EACH OTHER in their core scriptures. In the interests of consistency it would be necessary to ban religions in order to protect religions. Fucking idiotic. Prince Charles will love this.

Eat my avatar, King Abdullah.

re: #77 Heretic

I think Obama is a committed secularist. I don't think that this blasphemy law talk will find any favour with him.

Right now the UN is incapable of enforcing it’s own resolutions without enlisting the armed forces of member nations. It’s “peace keepers” lack the will, equipment and training to project force in any meaningful way, as the pathetic performances in Bosnia, Lebanon, and Rwanda so clearly demonstrated.

However, think what could result from a Saudi sponsored UN Anti-Blasphemy force. Recruit a few thousand zealots from Gaza, clean them up, hand out blue helmets and a get-out-of-jail-free card , and in one stroke you’ve co-opted your enemy’s sovereignty, arrogated his military, and gained his acquiescence to the entire enterprise. Jihad under the sponsorship of the UN. It’s something Torquemada would have recognized as a fellow traveler with his own Inquisition

Go ahead, let 'em make blasphemy illegal. Since Islam is blasphemy in the Christian tradition, so we can arrest them here!

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The CS Monitor actually recognized this fact. I don't believe it.

I can believe it. As a religious person, I believe that it is absolutely essential for our laws/schooling to be completely secular in nature. Any compulsory religiousish law not only denies free will but will ALWAYS backfire. *Plus* who gets to define blasphemy? I imagine that the people at the CS monitor had this in mind, though I do not read it/presume to speak for them.

"The more we accommodate, the more we back and retreat, the closer we come to the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Krushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War and one day, when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for peace at any price, or better Red than dead, or as one commentator put it, he'd rather live on his knees than die on his feet. And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery."

Last week, a really angry guy cussed me out in a parking lot - I have no clue what he was on about. In the convenience store, when I was checking out, another customer asked if I reported him to the cops. I said - well, he didn't threaten me or touch me, and cussing isn't against the law.

Everyone nodded. That's America to me.

My response is to demand that their "prophet" mohammed/muhammed (PBUH - Pestillance Be Upon Him) continue to spend eternity in purgatory aka HELL.

The "Arab Street" should beware of angering the American Street.

The Euro Street (except Denmark and the Czech Republic) has already capitulated and is collaborating.

re: #36 Racer X

He said yesterday he would be out the rest of the week.

Yeah, but he's always had a guest host. Not today. In fact you could not even log in to the site to listen to archives or the stack of stuff or anything.

Very strange indeed.

Does this law mean that any book that carries blasphemy against other religions will be banned, cos I can think of a great starting point.

You just have to laugh in amazement at the arrogance and audacity of the Saudis to host a conference against religious intolerance in Saudi Arabia. It's like the Nazis hosting a conference against anti-Semitism at Auschwitz.

The Saudis are our enemy. We should start labelling them as such and return their jihad to them with interest.

hmm....well I better say this now before its illegal

f*ck Mohammed in the pigs ass

re: #34 jaunte

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Eat it, Abdullah.

Haar, you said it all mate! If the UN passes this reolution the US will have no choice but to pull out from the UN.

re: #99 HoosierHoops

When you teach intellegent design in a science room you end up with students that will never be able to intellegently design.

Any number of brilliant scientists, living and dead, have also believed in a Creator. In fact, this belief has been their greatest drive in seeking to learn more. The one I know best, and most personally, is Dr John Medina (author: Brain Rules, brainrules.net), PhD University of Washington. He started out studying human genetics, wound up discovering something to help in the fight against cancer, and is now studying how the brain functions. And all of this while - *gasp* - also holding a deep Christian faith and attending church regularly.

Does this mean he wants to impose it on everybody? Of course not. He also believes in evolution. But let's stop with the sideways cracks about people of faith being impotent scientists. Either that, or let's see *your* C.V.

I've got an idea. How about going along with this and then declaring Saudi Arabia a blasphemous country and wiping them off the map - along with any other country we find to be blasphemous.