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Open | Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:37:35 am PST
As the Dow index plunges again, here’s a Thursday open thread...
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:38:25am |
I love the smell of threadage in the morning!
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:38:28am |
I've stopped watching the DOW and every other index.
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nnorb Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:39:31am |
I like watching in the last 5 minutes, before 4. Kind of like watching rats running from a sinking ship.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:40:16am |
Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.
Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:40:19am |
Its see-sawing: up-down, up-down, up-down ...
Could make a person seasick, watching that!
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:41:19am |
Frighteningly similar to Isreal's response to Hamas.
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:42:26am |
I think when the DOW went into the 7,000's it triggered a bunch of buy orders and that is why it immediately started climbing again. Maybe. Out today, buying at the close (we'll see how THAT goes... ha!).
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:43:04am |
re: #5 Charles
Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.
Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.
Because right now, they appear to like Democrats who got religion, and that's not working.
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Typicalwhitey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:43:08am |
I just emailed GMA about having Ayers on.
They make me sick.
How is this person considered someone who ok to be around.
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LaForzadelDestino Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:43:48am |
I can't watch it. I'm in deep denial. Television and the stock market are "dear dead days that are now no more". I'm sure that's a bastardization of the original quote but I'm too far down in the well to look it up.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:44:54am |
re: #12 LaForzadelDestino
I can't watch it. I'm in deep denial. Television and the stock market are "dear dead days that are now no more". I'm sure that's a bastardization of the original quote but I'm too far down in the well to look it up.
Timmy?
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:45:29am |
re: #5 Charles
Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.
Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Religious beliefs simply have no place in a political party.
A secular state is not a-religious, it simply does not give room in its legislation for anything based on religious views.
Every citizen is still free to cling to whatever religious text is his preferred one - but the tenets of that book won't find place in legislation.
All those who reject this - just think about a party for the introduction of Sharia law ... how can this be refused, if that party gets a majority, when there are no safeguards to keep religion out of politics?
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KrsnaDas Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:45:31am |
Charles: that reminds me... I remember a funny episode of Sopranos when Tony Soprano was talking about how "Sanitorium" was against people being gay
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:46:10am |
re: #15 KrsnaDas
Charles: that reminds me... I remember a funny episode of Sopranos when Tony Soprano was talking about how "Sanitorium" was against people being gay
There is a whole website dedicated to that very topic.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:47:22am |
Just curious, is The VP going to take Biden out hunting tonight?
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LaForzadelDestino Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:47:43am |
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:47:51am |
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:48:00am |
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:48:07am |
Dow back up some, 8195 at 1:42 EST. However only two stocks are up: J&J and Caterpillar, both up 9 cents.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:48:17am |
re: #19 Nevergiveup
Just curious, is The VP going to take Biden out hunting tonight?
LOL, I read that as: Just curious, is The VP going to take out Biden hunting tonight?"
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Ceemack Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:48:18am |
The Dow is DOWN?
AGAIN?
But...but...but...we elected OBAMA! I mean, everything was supposed to start getting better on Nov. 5! The Dow was supposed to stop falling, the oceans were supposed to stop rising, the world was supposed to love us again...
Oh, wait...maybe all that stuff's not supposed to happen until Jan. 21.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:48:33am |
The sun came up this morning.
I breathe. I talk. I even sing.
I have all my parts.
Life does NOT suck.
This moment of optimism brought to you by your Creator.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:48:57am |
re: #23 Son of the Black Dog
Dow back up some, 8195 at 1:42 EST. However only two stocks are up: J&J and Caterpillar, both up 9 cents.
Foreign sales of the D-9 up?
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:49:10am |
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:49:33am |
re: #26 rawmuse
The sun came up this morning.
I breathe. I talk. I even sing.
I have all my parts.
Life does NOT suck.This moment of optimism brought to you by your Creator.
We had a saying - it's a good day when the number of dives equals the number of surfaces.
:-)
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:49:40am |
re: #15 KrsnaDas
Charles: that reminds me... I remember a funny episode of Sopranos when Tony Soprano was talking about how "Sanitorium" was against people being gay
I would like to pose a question to everyone:
What is your all-time favorite line from The Sopranos? Mine is:
"I've got federal marshalls so far up my ass, I can taste Brylcreme."
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:49:59am |
In acknowledgement and support of Buzz's pun on the last thread: Take it to the Limit,
No video, really, to interfere with your commenting pleasure. I like that song.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:50:04am |
re: #25 Ceemack
The Dow is DOWN?
AGAIN?
But...but...but...we elected OBAMA! I mean, everything was supposed to start getting better on Nov. 5! The Dow was supposed to stop falling, the oceans were supposed to stop rising, the world was supposed to love us again...
Oh, wait...maybe all that stuff's not supposed to happen until Jan. 21.
The DOW doesn't like the government dicking around with the "bailout" that was so ballyhooed.
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:50:10am |
Possible Obama choice foe CIA director,
Thomas Fingar, the chief of analysis for the [national] intelligence director...
Liberals would swoon over Fingar, I suspect. As head of State Department intelligence in the first Bush administration, he was the only intelligence official who called it right on Saddam Hussein's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. And he oversaw the writing of a National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear program that many credit - or blame - for blunting what seemed like an imminent Bush administration attack on Iran.
Fingar would be a bad choice, signaling the Obama admin intends to negotiate woth Iran and hobble the CIA.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:50:31am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:51:07am |
re: #21 Charles
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homphobic:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I wonder what he thinks of Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965).
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:51:09am |
Last Windows update toasted the ability to use the mouse within Word 2007. What to do... what to do... use a different computer I guess.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:51:39am |
re: #29 subsailor68
We had a saying - it's a good day when the number of dives equals the number of surfaces.
:-)
My Male says much the same thing! He served as a machinists' mate on subs.
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lawhawk Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:52:02am |
re: #10 Walter L. Newton
I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the
asses in thepews.Because right now, they appear to like Democrats who got religion, and that's not working.
You don't get much support deriding or slamming the very kind of people who you hope would vote your way going forward.
You can be conservative in your fiscal views, and deemphasize the social conservatism - if you are a fiscal conservative, you are going to necessarily limit how much government intervention occurs in the private sector by limiting how much money is available to do so.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:52:46am |
re: #37 Dianna
My Male says much the same thing! He served as a machinists' mate on subs.
Bless you, and all the ladies silly - or brave - enough to marry guys like us.
:-)
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:52:51am |
re: #21 Charles
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Huh. From his pic I would swear he was of the gay persuasion himself.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:53:01am |
re: #35 MandyManners
I wonder what he thinks of Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965).
He probably stays awake at night, fuming about it.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:53:11am |
re: #21 Charles
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
That guy is a mess and it is a shame that Fox News so frequently props him up as a representative Republican.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:53:35am |
I had the pleasure of hearing George Will speak last night. He is much more animated in person than when they stick him behind the desk as a talking head.
Here are 2 quotes that I thought were funny.
Speaking of the Dems
"We've got them right where we want them"
and
"Pessimism is not without its pleasures"
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:53:35am |
re: #21 Charles
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Aww - we do live in the 21st Century, not the 12th, don't we?
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Emmett Flatus Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:53:56am |
The market gyrations should have been expected. Any day that the Pres, Bernacke or Paulson speak the market immediately evacuates its bowels.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:54:41am |
re: #21 Charles
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homphobic:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
sodomy laws properly exist to prevent acts which "undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family"
I could speculate about his love life but, I won't.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:55:01am |
re: #5 Charles
Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.
Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Social conservatism does not address the issue that left the Dems in power in Congress after the 2006 elections. Santorum is being a bit of a twit here. What happened is that we forgot about smaller government and being fiscally responsible. Those two things are what got the revolution in 1994.
I still say we need to actively have a platform that espouses clean, reformed, and trasparent governance if we are to win in 2010. The Obama White House along with Pelosi's House and Reid's Senate will be the one of the most corrupt and dirty governments in the history of these United States. People like the reform message.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:55:10am |
re: #41 Dianna
He probably stays awake at night, fuming about it.
Would he try to outlaw BC for married people?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:55:44am |
re: #42 freedombilly
That guy is a mess and it is a shame that Fox News so frequently props him up as a representative Republican.
Look for them--and, CNN--to do it also with Jindal.
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Mostly Annoyed Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:55:50am |
The 92,000 new voters who registered during the early voting period include people who simply changed counties, but more than two-thirds of all registrations this year have come from new voters or voters new to North Carolina.
Why does this sound so much like Ohio?
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:55:55am |
Lassie is no more.
Timmy, prone to wandering off and getting into situations, has been diagnosed with ADD and medicated into immobility.
Lassie was picked up for violating the leash laws. When the Animal Control Dept noted that "she" was a "he", they made him an "it".
Boomer is in rehab, working on childhood issue.
/
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MrSnuggles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:56:16am |
It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:56:57am |
re: #40 Russkilitlover
Huh. From his pic I would swear he was of the gay persuasion himself.
He looks like one of those pretty men who think a successful career in politics is their due because they look like a film star (after lots of make-overs and otehr stuff I won't go into ...)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:56:58am |
re: #38 lawhawk
You don't get much support deriding or slamming the very kind of people who you hope would vote your way going forward.
You can be conservative in your fiscal views, and deemphasize the social conservatism - if you are a fiscal conservative, you are going to necessarily limit how much government intervention occurs in the private sector by limiting how much money is available to do so.
I was not deriding any person, at least that was not my intention. I was not calling anyone an ass, I was simply referring to the body count, the actual butt count, in the pews. The way I see it, your correction is saying the same thing I said.
But, if my wording was confusing, then I apologize. I really was trying to say the same thing you said.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:56:59am |
re: #49 MandyManners
Look for them--and, CNN--to do it also with Jindal.
Yup. Prop up the young, good looking, articulate conservative and then when he becomes a "face" of the party expose him for being a loon.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:57:02am |
Almost every Republican currently being promoted by Fox News is a creationist.
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:57:05am |
re: #36 Max Darkside
Last Windows update toasted the ability to use the mouse within Word 2007. What to do... what to do... use a different computer I guess.
Do you think that was on purpose or they forgot it somehow?
Our office asked for volunteers to test Office 2007. I was not among the brave, but I've heard the complaints.
Remember, if in ain't broke, break it to make it better.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:57:21am |
re: #39 subsailor68
Bless you, and all the ladies silly - or brave - enough to marry guys like us.
:-)
These days, he's a unix geek. I'm beginning to think it's actually more stressful!
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:57:28am |
"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
- Pierre Elliot Trudeau
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:57:42am |
re: #51 OldLineTexan
He's still better off than Old Yeller.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:57:55am |
Namely: Huckabee, Pawlenty, Jindal, Santorum. All creationists.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:58:08am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:58:26am |
re: #27 Creeping Eruption
Foreign sales of the D-9 up?
That's the one product which increases sales by pancaking.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:58:30am |
re: #55 freedombilly
Yup. Prop up the young, good looking, articulate conservative and then when he becomes a "face" of the party expose him for being a loon.
It's coming.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:58:35am |
re: #44 yma o hyd
Aww - we do live in the 21st Century, not the 12th, don't we?
An amazing number of people somehow think things were better when things were rotten. What can I say?
I don't agree.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:58:36am |
re: #59 Kenneth
"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
- Pierre Elliot Trudeau
Didn't he have a hot wife?
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:59:12am |
re: #14 yma o hyd
Religious beliefs simply have no place in a political party.
A secular state is not a-religious, it simply does not give room in its legislation for anything based on religious views.
Every citizen is still free to cling to whatever religious text is his preferred one - but the tenets of that book won't find place in legislation.
All those who reject this - just think about a party for the introduction of Sharia law ... how can this be refused, if that party gets a majority, when there are no safeguards to keep religion out of politics?
There is almost no activity that man can undertake that is unaffected by his moral code.
The only question that remains is "what moral code will be applied?".
Many choose Christianity and some of them choose to be members of the Republican party. While we need to protect the first amendment, don't ask them to stop attempting to protect society of which they are a part from problem practices.
Here's what one of our founders had to say on the subject:
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
James Madison, 1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia
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wrenchwench Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:59:19am |
re: #52 MrSnuggles
It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?
Hmmm....somehow the Democrats did it....
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:59:30am |
re: #57 Silhouette
Do you think that was on purpose or they forgot it somehow?
Word was open overnight on that machine when the update was applied by MSFT and I think that toasted Word. Merely opening and then closing it cause Word to crash now on close. I could just poop.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:59:31am |
re: #52 MrSnuggles
It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?
According to your POV, I hate God because I want the government to stay out of my bedroom?
IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:00:02am |
4 minutes of "checking" and 5 refreshes later, taq pastes:
re: #10 Walter L. Newton
I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.
I don't go to church, but, wow, Walter. Kinda harsh there, doncha think?
-Taq
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:00:13am |
re: #48 MandyManners
Would he try to outlaw BC for married people?
Mandy, my boss keeps reminding me that there are people in the California Republican party who think BC ought to be illegal, period. I always blink at that.
And no, these people are not all Catholics, either.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:00:33am |
re: #57 Silhouette
Do you think that was on purpose or they forgot it somehow?
Our office asked for volunteers to test Office 2007. I was not among the brave, but I've heard the complaints.
Remember, if in ain't broke, break it to make it better.
Simply go to the MS site and download the latest driver for the mouse..
It works..
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:01:03am |
re: #70 MandyManners
According to your POV, I hate God because I want the government to stay out of my bedroom?
IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB.
Actually it is the Gov'ts job...to stay out of the bedroom I mean.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:01:12am |
re: #58 Dianna
These days, he's a unix geek. I'm beginning to think it's actually more stressful!
Well, remind him not to debug with a pipe wrench.
:-)
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:01:26am |
re: #72 Dianna
Mandy, my boss keeps reminding me that there are people in the California Republican party who think BC ought to be illegal, period. I always blink at that.
And no, these people are not all Catholics, either.
They need to mind their own business. Maybe get a hobby.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:01:49am |
re: #53 yma o hyd
He looks like one of those pretty men who think a successful career in politics is their due because they look like a film star (after lots of make-overs and otehr stuff I won't go into ...)
Makes me suspicious that they are total perverts underneath that crisp appearance.
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MrSnuggles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:01:57am |
re: #68 wrenchwench
The democrats did it by offering goodies and the promise of amnesty for all. You want the republicans to follow that same road?
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:01:58am |
re: #52 MrSnuggles
It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?
Um, it was fiscal conservatism that was lost since 2000. We have had social conservative spendthrifts in Congress, and a social conservative spendthrift as President. So, how did fiscal conservatism hurt us when we forgot it during those years? It hurt us because we forgot it! Why is Governor Palin popular in Alaska? It's not her social stances; it's her fiscal stances and stances on reforming Alaska's corrupt government that made her popular. Everytime fiscal restraint and governmental reform is practised, it wins!
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:05am |
Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...
Wow... We really are there....
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:14am |
re: #30 capitalist piglet
I would like to pose a question to everyone:
What is your all-time favorite line from The Sopranos? Mine is:
"I've got federal marshalls so far up my ass, I can taste Brylcreme."
"The hair apparent."
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:26am |
re: #46 MandyManners
sodomy laws properly exist to prevent acts which "undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family"
I could speculate about his love life but, I won't.
We can synergize silently.
/but then I'd have to take a shower ... with Clorox
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:28am |
re: #80 tfc3rid
Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...
Wow... We really are there....
WHAT?
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Dirk Diggler Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:49am |
Charles,
Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic...
While it may be the case that Santorum is homophobic, there is no constitutional "right to privacy".
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:54am |
re: #59 Kenneth
"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
- Pierre Elliot Trudeau
As much as I despise Trudeau and Trudeauism, I have to agree with him here because he is right.
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MrSnuggles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:02:58am |
re: #70 MandyManners
Do what you want in your bedroom, but Santorum was right. The very next step after that Texas case was a push for gay marriage in the courts. Give these people an inch and they take a light year.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:03:27am |
re: #52 MrSnuggles
Oh, man.
God may be good, but the state has only a little, narrow interest in the behavior of the individual.
So far as I am concerned, abortion in the first trimester is none of my affair. Gays should have exactly the same rights as anyone else - but I oppose and deride the notion of group rights - and most gay activities are no one's business but the people involved.
The social conservative agenda is just as irritating and wrong-headed as the leftist agenda, and just as interfering.
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:03:36am |
re: #65 Dianna
An amazing number of people somehow think things were better when things were rotten. What can I say?
I don't agree.
A lot of people want to be 'governed', either by a swoon-making young empty suit who promises change (and they don't have to think about what that means) - or by those who fulminate against 'change', any change, and want to go back to the Middle Ages, where people also didn't have to think for themselves.
Why is it that so many are prepared to give up their freedom and their hard-won liberties, just to escape the work of actually engaging and using their brains?
I really don't get it!
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:03:53am |
re: #83 MandyManners
WHAT?
Yeah, wasn't it regulation - in the form of the CRA - that got us into this mess?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:04:02am |
re: #51 OldLineTexan
Boomer is in rehab, working on childhood issue.
*pulling thumb out of mouth* ... How did you know?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:04:29am |
re: #89 subsailor68
Yeah, wasn't it regulation - in the form of the CRA - that got us into this mess?
I wanna' know if Soros is really testifying.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:04:37am |
re: #90 pre-Boomer Marine brat
*pulling thumb out of mouth* ... How did you know?
On the positive side, you were positively darling as Timmy's human sidekick.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:04:54am |
re: #80 tfc3rid
Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...
Wow... We really are there....
Where's Alice? I think we may be through the looking glass.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:04:57am |
re: #71 Taqiyyotomist
Got your rebuttal after my belated post, Walter. Understood. The wording did seem like you were saying people in pews were asses. I get your drift now.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:05:08am |
re: #71 Taqiyyotomist
I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.
I don't go to church, but, wow, Walter. Kinda harsh there, doncha think?
-Taq
Please see my re: #54 Walter L. Newton I was not referring to people in pews being "asses."
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wright1 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:05:21am |
re: #52 MrSnuggles
It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?
You are about to get clobbered I suspect by some that disagree with you. Before that happens, I agree with you. Those blaming the GOP for losing this round of elections or being socially conservative seem to ignore that John McCain is practically a Democrat and hardly a strong backer of culture of life issues. In fact the right of the party could barely stand McCain. When the GOP wins, Reagan twice, and GWB twice, the agenda of culture of life is advanced. That still appears to be the recipe for victory.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:05:22am |
re: #83 MandyManners
WHAT?
Yes, hedge fund managers are in fron of Congress... Among which, Soros is there...
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:05:51am |
re: #75 subsailor68
Well, remind him not to debug with a pipe wrench.
:-)
I keep waiting to hear he punch-kicked a monitor across a room.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:06:30am |
re: #91 MandyManners
I wanna' know if Soros is really testifying.
Maybe on CSPAN or CSPAN 2?
(Nope, just checked.)
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JamesTKirk Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:06:31am |
re: #78 MrSnuggles
The democrats did it by offering goodies and the promise of amnesty for all. You want the republicans to follow that same road?
McCain did offer amnesty. Look how far it got the bastard.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:06:34am |
re: #97 tfc3rid
Yes, hedge fund managers are in fron of Congress... Among which, Soros is there...
TV is covering Pres. Bush.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:06:36am |
re: #76 MandyManners
They need to mind their own business. Maybe get a hobby.
Minding other peoples' business is their hobby! That's why they're in politics.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:06:59am |
re: #91 MandyManners
I wanna' know if Soros is really testifying.
If so that is kind of frightening. He has tended to be a back stage kind of guy up till now. If he is coming out into the open it means that he feels very comfortable and is ready to start forcing his agenda.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:05am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:05am |
re: #86 MrSnuggles
Do what you want in your bedroom, but Santorum was right. The very next step after that Texas case was a push for gay marriage in the courts. Give these people an inch and they take a light year.
And there are a lot of conservatives that have no problem with this. That is exactly what some people here this morning are trying to say.
The Republicans need to get off of this social engineering based on certain religious beliefs and texts, and get back to the job of government.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:20am |
From today's NY Times...
"Hedge fund managers usually shun the spotlight. But five of them, billionaires all, are about to come under the glare on Capitol Hill.
The money managers — Philip Falcone, Kenneth C. Griffin, John Paulson, James Simons and George Soros — have been called by a House panel to discuss some of their trade secrets at a hearing on Thursday."
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:32am |
I want to know why Soros is allowed in the USA, and is not being arrested for his attempt to destroy the USA.
*spit*
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Haole Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:36am |
I'm so sick and tired of every fuckin libtard/dem/socialist telling me who I should or shouldn't pick. I'm a big boy I can make my own decisions.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:44am |
re: #103 Dianna
Minding other peoples' business is their hobby! That's why they're in politics.
Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:07:55am |
re: #105 HoosierHoops
Walter..Can i come to your playhouse for 2 nights and make 10 grand also?
I'm still astounded over what Roger pulls in..
Ot - sure, what can you do, anything special?
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:08:01am |
re: #88 yma o hyd
A lot of people want to be 'governed', either by a swoon-making young empty suit who promises change (and they don't have to think about what that means) - or by those who fulminate against 'change', any change, and want to go back to the Middle Ages, where people also didn't have to think for themselves.
Why is it that so many are prepared to give up their freedom and their hard-won liberties, just to escape the work of actually engaging and using their brains?
I really don't get it!
That certainly is frustrating.....
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:08:17am |
re: #104 Ford_Prefect
If so that is kind of frightening. He has tended to be a back stage kind of guy up till now. If he is coming out into the open it means that he feels very comfortable and is ready to start forcing his agenda.
Well, he can just kiss my ass.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:08:56am |
re: #110 MandyManners
Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.
And are always the people who shouldn't have it.
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anotherindyfilmguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:08:58am |
Just heard on the radio that O'Biden's son is deploying to Iraq?
Wasn't O'Biden claiming his son was in Iraq during the race? Was he there and came back or what?
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:09:07am |
re: #86 MrSnuggles
Do what you want in your bedroom, but Santorum was right. The very next step after that Texas case was a push for gay marriage in the courts. Give these people an inch and they take a light year.
The case cited was from 1965. Griswold is the case that allowed unmarried people to buy birthcontrol.
The Texas case was just a while after that.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:09:35am |
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:09:37am |
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:09:41am |
re: #110 MandyManners
Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.
Spot on! I've always felt better with folks who are uncomfortable with power, but comfortable with service.
(Shame the phrase hen's teeth comes to mind.)
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J.S. Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:04am |
re: #85 Honorary Yooper
It's a slogan (just how far does that get one? think about it...does that mean that raping small children in one's bedroom is beyond the power of state intervention?)
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:15am |
Good afternoon LGF Friends. My daughter is taking me here tonight - looks fun, eh?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:19am |
re: #115 anotherindyfilmguy
Just heard on the radio that O'Biden's son is deploying to Iraq?
Wasn't O'Biden claiming his son was in Iraq during the race? Was he there and came back or what?
If I am not mistaken, his son is a Lawyer in some branch of the Military. He was in the process of deploying similar to Palin's son.
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:20am |
re: #67 eschew_obfuscation
That is what one can stake one's personal life on, no discussion about that.
However - no country can legislate for the tenets of particular religions.
Otherwise you'd have to discriminate against whole groups of people just because they do not agree with your particular interpretation of when, for example, Easter should be celebrated ...
That falls behind the achievements of the Enlightenment. You might as well establish a theocracy - which, btw, is strictly against Christian belief.
The point is that nobody must be discriminated against for their religious beliefs (or lack of them) - and thus, while they hopefully influence your behaviour, they should not be translated into general legislation.
Abortion being a case in point.
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IlyaUnion Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:43am |
More taxes will solve this? I don't think so.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:46am |
re: #88 yma o hyd
Me, neither.
I guess it's easier to leave one's brain steeping in the tea pot. It's warm and soothing and dark.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:56am |
WSJ was liveblogging the hearings...
Lot of BS back and forth but Soros was there and adding his two cents... I'm sure the Dems were loving him up like they Reps. loved all over Roger Clemens a few months ago...
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:10:57am |
re: #109 Haole
I'm so sick and tired of every fuckin libtard/dem/socialist telling me who I should or shouldn't pick. I'm a big boy I can make my own decisions.
You are not competent to make those decisions. That's what the government is for.
//
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:11:15am |
re: #123 mama winger
I can see the Bradley Center from my office. Have fun.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:11:19am |
re: #122 J.S.
It's a slogan (just how far does that get one? think about it...does that mean that raping small children in one's bedroom is beyond the power of state intervention?)
Oh dear. My post seems silly coming after that one. I should have read upthread. Sorry.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:11:31am |
re: #107 tfc3rid
From today's NY Times...
"Hedge fund managers usually shun the spotlight. But five of them, billionaires all, are about to come under the glare on Capitol Hill.
The money managers — Philip Falcone, Kenneth C. Griffin, John Paulson, James Simons and George Soros — have been called by a House panel to discuss some of their trade secrets at a hearing on Thursday."
Trade secrets? He's a fucking thieving Kapo.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:11:34am |
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:11:52am |
re: #111 Walter L. Newton
Ot - sure, what can you do, anything special?
Oh..you want Talent? crap..
I do have a trick shot..behind the back with just a little spin to kiss the ball off the backboard.
That's all I got Walter..
*hangs head in shame*
LOL
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IlyaUnion Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:11:53am |
re: #56 Charles
Almost every Republican currently being promoted by Fox News is a creationist.
Why do you think that is? Rupert Murdoch doesn't strike me as a creationist.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:12:10am |
You know things are grim when the best thing you can say is:
Wow! The DOW's only down 7 right now.
Sigh.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:12:16am |
re: #114 Ford_Prefect
And are always the people who shouldn't have it.
Serious potty-training issues.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:12:18am |
re: #130 Creeping Eruption
I can see the Bradley Center from my office. Have fun.
Really ? I'll wave ! :)
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:12:27am |
re: #80 tfc3rid
Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...
Wow... We really are there....
Link? what news station?
George Soros is the giant puppet master behind the left-wing/progressive fascist movement.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:12:54am |
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:13:31am |
re: #96 wright1
I will remind you that Reagan was not actually a social conservative. Check out some legislation he signed as Governor of California.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:13:31am |
re: #132 MandyManners
Trade secrets? He's a fucking thieving Kapo.
Mandy, you really need to stop holding your feelings in.. it's just not healthy./
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:13:35am |
re: #125 yma o hyd
That falls behind the achievements of the Enlightenment. You might as well establish a theocracy - which, btw, is strictly against Christian belief.
Someone put that on a billboard, please. I wish there was a SuperBold button.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:13:56am |
re: #139 FrogMarch
Link? what news station?
George Soros is the giant puppet master behind the left-wing/progressive fascist movement.
Listening to ABC Radio... They played a clip of him and that accent...
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:18am |
re: #122 J.S.
It's a slogan (just how far does that get one? think about it...does that mean that raping small children in one's bedroom is beyond the power of state intervention?)
Apples and oranges. The state has no business telling two concenting adults what they can do with each other in the bedroom. Involve a minor, and it is a crime, period, full stop. Ditto for the non-concential stuff.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:26am |
re: #135 IlyaUnion
Why do you think that is? Rupert Murdoch doesn't strike me as a creationist.
Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:36am |
Oh dear. Are we eating our own again today? I guess I didn't really need to stop at Arby's. :)
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:38am |
re: #144 Ford_Prefect
Mandy, you really need to stop holding your feelings in.. it's just not healthy./
She is maintaining her sass even with a sinus headache. I couldn't be prouder.
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anotherindyfilmguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:03am |
re: #110 MandyManners
Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.
I'd say those who want power are those who least deserve it...
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:08am |
re: #146 tfc3rid
Listening to ABC Radio... They played a clip of him and that accent...
Gag! That accent. It'd be like hearing him and Henry Kissinger trying to do the old Abbott and Costello routine "Who's on First."
Yuck.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:39am |
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WrathofG-d Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:50am |
re: #149 Charles
Teaching creationism is against individual liberties?
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:16:22am |
re: #127 Dianna
Me, neither.
I guess it's easier to leave one's brain steeping in the tea pot. It's warm and soothing and dark.
Nice image!
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:16:48am |
re: #141 tfc3rid
Here is the WSJ link
Ack!
Waxman closes the session with big smooches to the hedge fund managers, the combined billionaire superwattage of which has left the Committee presumably blinded by the fundraising possibilities. Here is what he says: “Congress usually has trade associations here, and they speak in their self-interest. That’s why we wanted to have you here, to get an unfiltered response.” Oh, boy. If Waxman believed the managers were not speaking in their own self-interest, it just highlights how much more Washington needs to understand how Wall Street communicates.
Democrats scare me.
While (some) republicans obsess over gay marriage and religious-political agendas, we are sinking.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:03am |
In other news, Bill Gates is being questioned by the low-level employees at Microsoft.
//
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:08am |
re: #157 WrathofG-d
Teaching creationism is against individual liberties?
Nope. But it's not exactly a great thing to have in the platform when you're trying to define the Republican party, ya know.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:19am |
re: #122 J.S.
No, because that's a clear crime.
However, what two consenting adults do in a private place (provided the bruises fade after a week, and so on) is absolutely no one's business but their own.
"I don't give a damn what people do, provided they don't do it in the streets and frighten the horses."
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jorline Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:22am |
Question for the group.
Reagan was a very religious man...was he a creationist?
Any facts on his beliefs?
This is not a set-up question...I don't know the answer.
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Killer Tomato Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:27am |
Sununu's going to be out of work. What do you all think of him?
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J.S. Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:29am |
re: #147 Honorary Yooper
Exactly. That was my point -- too frequently, all the caveats will be thrown out (such as, well, what about minors? what about sadism? what about rape? etc, etc. -- so, the more nuanced items (that is, those items where you'd wish to see government involvement) gets thrown out -- my point being that the slogan "the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation" refers only to certain cases, not all).
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jorline Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:33am |
re: #136 subsailor68
You know things are grim when the best thing you can say is:
Wow! The DOW's only down 7 right now.
Sigh.
I never thought I would be happy to see a flat market, but...............
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:54am |
re: #156 debutaunt
Nirth control.
Whew, thanks...for a minute there I thought it was something enjoyable.
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J.S. Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:57am |
re: #162 Dianna
Sodomy was a "clear crime" in 1967 in Canada when Trudeau made his statement.
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wright1 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:59am |
re: #143 Dianna
I will remind you that Reagan was not actually a social conservative. Check out some legislation he signed as Governor of California.
But he governed as one as President.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:15am |
re: #156 debutaunt
Nirth control.
Thanks, I was wondering myself. Not a common initialism in my experience, this is the first time I've run across it.
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calcajun Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:17am |
Yep. Time to hit the Army-Navy Surplus stores and stock up on the food and ammo.
Sigh.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:19am |
re: #166 jorline
I never thought I would be happy to see a flat market, but...............
As I say (probably too often) - from your lips to God's ear. At least right now.
:-)
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:23am |
www.weeklystandard.com...] target="_blank">
The Taliban is urging the United Nations, the European Union, and the Red Cross to intervene to halt the execution of three Taliban fighters on death row. "We strongly request the U.N., the EU, the Red Cross and human rights groups to earnestly prevent this barbaric act," the Taliban said in a statement on their website, Reuters reported today.Predictably, the United Nations and the European Union oppose the executions, "citing concern about the standards of judicial fairness."
One wonders if the irony is lost on the Taliban, the United Nations, and the European Union. The Taliban is guilty of some of the most atrocious crimes in recent history. One doesn't have to walk back very far to find such crimes.
For instance, yesterday two Taliban fighters poured acid on the faces of four schoolgirls in Kandahar. Their crime? Who knows. Some of the girls were wearing the full burkas. Perhaps because they went to school?
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guitarguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:33am |
re: #5 Charles
Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.
Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
re: #149 Charles
Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.
At the risk of being labeled a 'sock-puppet' of Charles (on other websites), I will merely state: I have nothing to add.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:47am |
re: #134 HoosierHoops
Oh..you want Talent? crap..
I do have a trick shot..behind the back with just a little spin to kiss the ball off the backboard. That's all I got Walter..*hangs head in shame* LOL
Big whoop. I can sink a ball in the right corner pocket (to the right of where I am standing) by kicking the cue ball up table toward the far right corner pocket, kicking it back to me (and pass me) to sink the target ball. :)
How about running the table one handed? How about running the table, one handed, don't touch the rail. My 3rd wife could do those two. She use to piss the guys off, progressively working up from a straight game to the trick stuff.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:12am |
re: #157 WrathofG-d
Teaching creationism is against individual liberties?
Yes, it is. Whose creationism are you going to teach? What religion is this endorsing? It's very clear. It's intended to promote fundamental Christianity, and by teaching it to everyone's children -- which is exactly what Santorum tried to do with his amendment to NCLB -- you are violating their civil liberties, and the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to. If any.
Not to mention that it's anti-scientific, and destroys critical thinking skills, handicapping children and damaging American science education.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:21am |
re: #125 yma o hyd
That is what one can stake one's personal life on, no discussion about that.
However - no country can legislate for the tenets of particular religions.
Otherwise you'd have to discriminate against whole groups of people just because they do not agree with your particular interpretation of when, for example, Easter should be celebrated ...That falls behind the achievements of the Enlightenment. You might as well establish a theocracy - which, btw, is strictly against Christian belief.
The point is that nobody must be discriminated against for their religious beliefs (or lack of them) - and thus, while they hopefully influence your behaviour, they should not be translated into general legislation.
Abortion being a case in point.
I understand your point and mostly agree. It's a very thin line we walk, but we already have legislated for the tenets of Christianity while refraining from establishing a state religion. Though not particular to Christianity, laws against murder/manslaughter are one example. Many muslim countries freely allow honor killings.
The question then becomes, "how do we maintain morality as a society without formally establishing a state religion as our moral code?".
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:23am |
re: #167 Spare O'Lake
Whew, thanks...for a minute there I thought it was something enjoyable.
The "c" didn't make any sense, did it.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:26am |
Seriously, though, doesn't half of Congress work for Soros? That they should question HIM. I bet every (D) in the room is quaking, hoping he doesn't choke them from across the room with a wave of his hand.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:36am |
re: #151 mama winger
Oh dear. Are we eating our own again today? I guess I didn't really need to stop at Arby's. :)
We could always retreat to extreme civility....
Not that you need help with that - you're always nice. I just periodically forget to be charitable.
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:55am |
re: #141 tfc3rid
Here is the WSJ link
One gem from that link:
"1:25 Rep. Cummings says the five managers are “richer than God,” and promises not to disclose their individual compensation, but each of them made $1 billion last year on average, he says. He notes that they are not taxed like normal citizens because they are taxed at lower capital-gains rates."
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:00am |
re: #149 Charles
Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.
Not that it matters, but I think that it happened the other way around. The fundamental Christians have taken over the GOP much the way the Secular Left have done to the Democrat party. The secular fiscal-conservatives have no where to go.
But the result is the same.
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MrSnuggles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:07am |
re: #106 Walter L. Newton
You have no problem with activist judges deciding at their own whim what is and what is not constitutional? If gays passed legislation that gave them the right to demand national affirmation of their relationships via government sanction then I would have nothing left to say. But they are undermining the institutions that have made this nation great, and you have no problem with it? It is at the core of conservatism that the court system is supposed to rule based on what the Constitution SAYS not on what they WANT IT to say.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:09am |
re: #149 Charles
Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.
I agree, Charles. I feel the same way about "conservatism". I understand that the basic Judeo-Christian ideals have heavily influenced conservatism, but sometimes that aspect becomes too strong and blinds people to the idea of individual liberties.
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:29am |
re: #182 freedombilly
God bless the US & Canadian troops who are helping to send them there.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:37am |
re: #158 yma o hyd
Nice image!
Borrowed from my friend Ruth, who frequently works with people who worry her.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:50am |
re: #180 Taqiyyotomist
Seriously, though, doesn't half of Congress work for Soros? That they should question HIM. I bet every (D) in the room is quaking, hoping he doesn't choke them from across the room with a wave of his hand.
Darth Soros.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:22:45am |
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:22:50am |
re: #187 Kenneth
God bless the US & Canadian troops who are helping to send them there.
I could not have said it any better myself.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:03am |
re: #163 jorline
He probably was, I wouldn't be surprised.
The only link I can find is from a creationist site....
Presidential Support for Creationism
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Sparkizzy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:06am |
OK, where was this Reaganomics side of Bush for the last two terms?
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:24am |
re: #190 Ford_Prefect
What do you have against Nirths?
I had a nirth football once. Impossible to control.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:26am |
re: #170 Moe Katz
BC Glasses. Courtesy US Navy.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:36am |
re: #176 Charles
Yes, it is. Whose creationism are you going to teach? What religion is this endorsing? It's very clear. It's intended to promote fundamental Christianity, and by teaching it to everyone's children -- which is exactly what Santorum tried to do with his amendment to NCLB -- you are violating their civil liberties, and the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to. If any.
Not to mention that it's anti-scientific, and destroys critical thinking skills, handicapping children and damaging American science education.
When you teach intellegent design in a science class you end up with students that can't design intellegently.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:02am |
re: #168 J.S.
Sodomy was a "clear crime" in 1967 in Canada when Trudeau made his statement.
It should not have been. Most laws about who may do what, and with which, and to whom should never have been the business of a government. Any government.
Frankly, the only circumstance in which sodomy should be a crime is when it's non-consensual. Which - before you become pedantic - includes when a minor or a person who otherwise cannot give consent is involved.
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guitarguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:08am |
re: #163 jorline
Question for the group.
Reagan was a very religious man...was he a creationist?
Any facts on his beliefs?This is not a set-up question...I don't know the answer.
Try these sites:
[Link: www.icr.org...]
[Link: www.rae.org...]
[Link: www.positiveatheism.org...]
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:11am |
re: #73 HoosierHoops
Simply go to the MS site and download the latest driver for the mouse..
It works..
It's not the mouse, it is Word. Excel is ok, the mouse works for everything else. Office Diagnostics has no solution. Even if I start Word, not use the mouse and Alt-F4 it closed, it crashes. It needs a bailout I guess.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:27am |
re: #163 jorline
Question for the group.
Reagan was a very religious man...was he a creationist?
Any facts on his beliefs?This is not a set-up question...I don't know the answer.
Whatever he was, he kept his views private. That's the whole point and why the Republicans will sink into oblivion if they keep promoting creationists, ID, nutters.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:45am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:04am |
re: #199 Max Darkside
It's not the mouse, it is Word. Excel is ok, the mouse works for everything else. Office Diagnostics has no solution. Even if I start Word, not use the mouse and Alt-F4 it closed, it crashes. It needs a bailout I guess.
SHOOT YER COMPUTER.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:16am |
re: #175 Walter L. Newton
Is pool a sport?
*running*
/ the finely tuned athletes that play pool..Cig's and booze.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:24am |
re: #194 subsailor68
I had a nirth football once. Impossible to control.
And down right deadly when they got wet.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:24am |
This is my take, for what it's worth, which may be very negligible.
A lot of folks aligned themselves with the Republican Party after 9-11 because we were the party that seemed to 'get it' on national defense. Some came from backgrounds that were Democrat or a-political or even quite liberal. They did not come to the Republicans because of our stance on social issues. They came because we are under attack.
Naturally, no one leaves who they are behind when they join something. You come with your background and your experiences. Many who admired the Republican position on national defense and the military were not so enamored with some of the other positions .
This is why I think we are having these tensions now - you have the folks like my who have been active in the Republican Party for thirty years and are conservative across the spectrum ( the old timers if you will) and people that I call the 'Post 9-11'ers. Some of this latter group seem astonished that when they joined the conservative Party, there were *gasp* strong conservatives already there. :)
We 've been saving you a place and we are glad to have you. But please do not tell us that we ourselves no longer belong. We've been holding down this fort for decades.
That's about it, I guess. Thanks for your time.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:27am |
re: #190 Ford_Prefect
What do you have against Nirths?
Well, they like to get their little noses under the tent flap and all hell breaks out. Keep 'em controlled, I say.
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WrathofG-d Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:52am |
re: #161 subsailor68
Well, that is your opinion.
I don't necessarily believe Creation should be taught in schools, and I wholeheartedly do not believe that the D.I. should have any say in a school curriculum.
But with that being said, I have a huge problem with people's beliefs becoming automatically offlimits, and unacceptable in public. The marching towards some made-up division of Church & State for Government is actually just being used to discount any beliefs that have their basis in Religion.
For example. If a person has a rabid belief in homsexuality, he or she can put a poster advocating it in their classroom, teach it in their class, or otherwise involve it within their Governmental action. However if someone has an opposite belief toward homosexuality, they cannot hang a sign that states that Homosexuality is a sin!
Thus one belief is given greater credence within society, solely based on the fact that the other belief could be argued to be rooted in religion. Thus, as a society we are forced to accept one belief over the other.
The shell of religion is being used to stop freedom of speech.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:53am |
re: #169 wright1
Not really. But he paid lip-service to the concept, just enough to keep the target voting bloc in line.
Cutting federal funding for abortion overseas was more a proper fiscal move than anything else.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:55am |
re: #201 Moe Katz
Sorry, don't get it :(
OMG! Those look just like the "standard" glasses you'd get if the Navy filled your prescription (especially in boot camp).
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rightside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:26:39am |
re: #201 Moe Katz
OMG! LOL!
Birth Control, or BV glasses are those which the Navy will give you for free. Try getting laid wearing those...Hence, BC glasses!
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:09am |
re: #206 debutaunt
Well, they like to get their little noses under the tent flap and all hell breaks out. Keep 'em controlled, I say.
Quite amusing.
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guitarguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:18am |
IMHO....
If candidates have to pass a James Dobson/Bill Donahue 'smell-test', we're in trouble.
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:31am |
re: #176 Charles
Yes, it is. Whose creationism are you going to teach? What religion is this endorsing? It's very clear. It's intended to promote fundamental Christianity, and by teaching it to everyone's children -- which is exactly what Santorum tried to do with his amendment to NCLB -- you are violating their civil liberties, and the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to. If any.
Not to mention that it's anti-scientific, and destroys critical thinking skills, handicapping children and damaging American science education.
And not to forget that this opens the door to introduce other religious POVs into the school curriculum. If Christian fundamentalists can do this, who is to nay-say the wishes of Wahabites in regard to the teachings of Islam as valid alternative to, say, history?
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:36am |
re: #203 HoosierHoops
Is pool a sport?
*running*
/ the finely tuned athletes that play pool..Cig's and booze.
It's at least equal to bowling on the 'sport' list.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:57am |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:17am |
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:18am |
I just found out that the office I volunteered to run for in my local area went uncontested... Just a Dem running against nobody...
Wow... Incredible... Democracy (in)action...
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Lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:30am |
I don't see what the problem would be if people would just act reasonably. I learned about multiple cultures in grade-school. When studying India, we learned about Hinduism, when studying the USSR we learned about Communism. Didn't turn me into a beef-eschewing Stalinite. When teaching about various cultures (including Western ones) then the fact that Creationism is part of various Judeo-Christian faiths should certainly be part of the curriculum. I'm not saying it should be taught as "science", of course. A little bit of tolerance (especially these days when multi-culturalism is the sine qua non of education) from everyone would be a welcome change.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:49am |
re: #201 Moe Katz
Here's a definition from Urban Dictionary.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:29:02am |
re: #212 rightside
OMG! LOL!
Birth Control, or BV glasses are those which the Navy will give you for free. Try getting laid wearing those...Hence, BC glasses!
Now I get it. But it's all a matter of fashion, to be serious. Those Buddy Holly glasses that are in style at the moment are plug-ugly to me.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:29:41am |
re: #221 Lincolntf
I don't see what the problem would be if people would just act reasonably. I learned about multiple cultures in grade-school. When studying India, we learned about Hinduism, when studying the USSR we learned about Communism. Didn't turn me into a beef-eschewing Stalinite. When teaching about various cultures (including Western ones) then the fact that Creationism is part of various Judeo-Christian faiths should certainly be part of the curriculum. I'm not saying it should be taught as "science", of course. A little bit of tolerance (especially these days when multi-culturalism is the sine qua non of education) from everyone would be a welcome change.
I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:29:46am |
re: #222 Taqiyyotomist
Here's a definition from Urban Dictionary.
Ha! I'd never heard that expression before.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:30:23am |
re: #215 guitarguy
IMHO....
If candidates have to pass a James Dobson/Bill Donahue 'smell-test', we're in trouble.
Someone had better "smell-test" Republican candidates...because the 'media' will.
Look what we got when the Democrats quit sniffing...
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:30:24am |
re: #224 MandyManners
I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.
In comparative religion class. Tortoises and elephants.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:09am |
re: #227 Moe Katz
In comparative religion class. Tortoises and elephants.
It's turtles all the way down.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:30am |
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:31am |
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:33am |
re: #208 WrathofG-d
I see, and agree with, what you're sayin'. My only point was wondering if it was something that needed to be included in the platform as we rebuild.
I'm sorry if I appeared to be downplaying your larger point. It wasn't my intention.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:33am |
re: #221 Lincolntf
I don't see what the problem would be if people would just act reasonably. I learned about multiple cultures in grade-school. When studying India, we learned about Hinduism, when studying the USSR we learned about Communism. Didn't turn me into a beef-eschewing Stalinite. When teaching about various cultures (including Western ones) then the fact that Creationism is part of various Judeo-Christian faiths should certainly be part of the curriculum. I'm not saying it should be taught as "science", of course. A little bit of tolerance (especially these days when multi-culturalism is the sine qua non of education) from everyone would be a welcome change.
No one cares if creationism is discussed in a comparative religion course, or a philosophy course.
But that is NOT what people like Santorum, Jindal, and the Discovery Institute are promoting. They're trying to get this stuff taught in science classes, as science.
Which it is not.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:02am |
re: #201 Moe Katz
No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.
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WrathofG-d Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:06am |
re: #176 Charles
As to your 1st statement, as we have already exhausted your second point:
Teaching evolution to a child that parents who have Religious beliefs that teach them otherwise in public school also "violates the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to" insofar that it forces their children to be taught un-christian beliefs, and forces them to learn what they would probably consider a form of G-dlessness.
I do not defend teaching Creation in schools, and agree that these particular groups that are pushing for "I.D", have a hidden agenda. They should be kept very far away from this discussion. However that being said, I understand the Religious person's argument. Thus I would probably just not teach evolution either.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:09am |
re: #224 MandyManners
I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.
In the right class setting, sure. Like a philosophy class. But not in a science class.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:52am |
re: #228 Honorary Yooper
It's turtles all the way down.
Actually, I believe the bottom turtle is standing on a buffalo.
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wright1 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:00am |
re: #209 Dianna
Not really. But he paid lip-service to the concept, just enough to keep the target voting bloc in line.
Cutting federal funding for abortion overseas was more a proper fiscal move than anything else.
I do not agree with that but I will ask you this, do you acknowledge that Roanld Reagan was a deeply religious man who gave thanks to his Creator in earnest?
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J.S. Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:18am |
re: #197 Dianna
All I can say, is "O brother", to your statement: "Most laws about who may do what, and with which, and to whom should never have been the business of a government". (I wish to diagree with that sentiment -- however, it's beyond the scope of this blog to get into all the details. So, allow me to just conclude by reminding all and sundry that Canada permits marriage upon homosexuals, and homosexuals are protected under Canada's anti-hate speech codes, and that I have absolutley no qualms about homosexual marriage, nor about the requirement for all teachers -- including in elementary school -- to accept and promote gay marriage, gay lifestyles, etc., etc. End of topic.)
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:24am |
re: #234 WrathofG-d
As to your 1st statement, as we have already exhausted your second point:
Teaching evolution to a child that parents who have Religious beliefs that teach them otherwise in public school also "violates the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to" insofar that it forces their children to be taught un-christian beliefs, and forces them to learn what they would probably consider a form of G-dlessness.
I do not defend teaching Creation in schools, and agree that these particular groups that are pushing for "I.D", have a hidden agenda. They should be kept very far away from this discussion. However that being said, I understand the Religious person's argument. Thus I would probably just not teach evolution either.
And we have a vote for ignorance!
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:36am |
re: #234 WrathofG-d
How is evolutionary theory an "unChristian belief"? Please explain.
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:39am |
re: #233 Dianna
No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.
What if they had money? Lots of it.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:44am |
re: #233 Dianna
No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.
I respectfully disagree. She may not get a very good male, but she will get one.
I see ugly, poor guys by themselves all the time. I see violently unattractive women with children by the stroller-load.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:47am |
re: #232 Charles
No one cares if creationism is discussed in a comparative religion course, or a philosophy course.
But that is NOT what people like Santorum, Jindal, and the Discovery Institute are promoting. They're trying to get this stuff taught in science classes, as science.
Which it is not.
I try to stay out of this and in this case I agree with Charles... Science with science and religion with religion...
However, they do teach Global Warming/Climate change in science class...
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:50am |
re: #178 eschew_obfuscation
I think you in the USA have done that very well indeed!
There is no point in wishing to delete the common history of the Western cultures which is based on the Judeao-Christian tradition.
Thats the way it is - and we all have the historic examples in memory ( I hope!) of how states treat their subjects - not citizens! - when they base their morality on something else.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:34:02am |
re: #236 Charles
Actually, I believe the bottom turtle is standing on a buffalo.
Which buffalo? The city, or one of the Bills?
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:34:23am |
re: #233 Dianna
No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.
If they became fashionable and a few stars began wearing them that wouldn't be so. It's all fashion. Those are no uglier than the Buddy Holly frames that everyone seems to want this week.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:34:33am |
re: #233 Dianna
No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.
See, now there you are wrong. Unless she is wearing them on her chest, most guys won't even notice.
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:34:55am |
re: #110 MandyManners
It is really one of the biggest flaws in the American system of Government. People who want power are almost always people who should be kept as far away from power as possible. The more they want it, the more potentially dangerous they are when they get it.
It'd probably be better to select Congress by lot, kind of like a Jury, where people who don't want the power of the office are forced to accept it for a limited time. That wasn't practical when our country was set up, though, and there's no way you could make that great a reform to the Government now.
The American system of government is not a very good one. It just happens to be superior to any other system of government ever established in the 5000+ years governments have existed.
Hopefully it'll be good enough to survive the next 4-8 years.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:35:17am |
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rightside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:35:25am |
re: #246 Moe Katz
I thought everyone wanted Sarah Palin frames now?
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Big Print Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:35:30am |
Can't we compromise?
While hot lesbians perform their sex acts in public, I'll read aloud a pamplet on creationisim, and the audience will get community service credit.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:35:49am |
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WrathofG-d Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:09am |
re: #231 subsailor68
No need to appologize.
Personally the thrust of the Conservative party would be to undo the affect liberal decision have had on our schools, and create a place where neither religious, or un-religious values are pushed on the kids.
The problem that has been created however is the one that I discussed above. The system is set up where religious opinions are automatically being put "off limits", and discredited. With this environment, it is no wonder that our society is becoming more g-dless, more liberal, and more screwed up.
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alkmyst Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:18am |
Just in case nobody else posted it yet...
A must read from John Perazzo of FontPageMag
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:18am |
re: #250 rightside
I thought everyone wanted Sarah Palin frames now?
Oh, that's so last week!
(just kidding)
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:19am |
re: #219 MandyManners
NO SEX.
Well, at least none that doesn't involve just one's self and some privacy, anyway.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:26am |
re: #248 Iron Fist
It'd probably be better to select Congress by lot, kind of like a Jury, where people who don't want the power of the office are forced to accept it for a limited time.
Who knows what kind of idiots we'd get?
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:28am |
There once was a gay from Khartoom,
Who took a lesbian up to his room,
They argued all night,
Over who had the right,
To do what and with which and to whom.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:41am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:45am |
re: #252 OldLineTexan
One of the Three Big Things women like.
/ducking
OK just so I can lie? What's the third?
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:03am |
re: #252 OldLineTexan
One of the Three Big Things women like.
/ducking
OK, I can account for 2. What is the 3rd?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:17am |
re: #184 rawmuse
Not that it matters, but I think that it happened the other way around. The fundamental Christians have taken over the GOP much the way the Secular Left have done to the Democrat party. The secular fiscal-conservatives have no where to go.
But the result is the same.
You're right, on both accounts.
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WrathofG-d Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:24am |
re: #240 Honorary Yooper
I don't necessarily believe it is, and I don't make dogma decisions regarding Christianity as I am not a Christian. My only point is that those that are fighting evolution being taught, would most likely believe that it was.
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guitarguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:29am |
re: #226 OldLineTexan
Someone had better "smell-test" Republican candidates...because the 'media' will.
Understood.
And you actually help make my point.
The media would have a field-day if we were to nominate a creationist.
If the GOP were to nominate someone who wasn't sure if the Earth was only 6,000 years-old (or older)......they'd become a punchline.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:30am |
re: #262 rawmuse
OK, I can account for 2. What is the 3rd?
Shit am I glad I wasn't the only one to ask?
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:42am |
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:50am |
re: #258 MandyManners
Who knows what kind of idiots we'd get?
Could they be worse than Cynthia McKinney?
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:13am |
re: #241 rawmuse
What if they had money? Lots of it.
Well, then, that'd be different......dontcha know.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:23am |
re: #234 WrathofG-d
Teaching evolution to a child that parents who have Religious beliefs that teach them otherwise in public school also "violates the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to" insofar that it forces their children to be taught un-christian beliefs, and forces them to learn what they would probably consider a form of G-dlessness.
This statement, by the way, is completely false. There is nothing "un-Christian" about the theory of evolution. Maybe you've missed the many posts I've put up about the Vatican's statements on the matter? The only Christians who believe that kind of nonsense are extremists.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:24am |
re: #258 MandyManners
Who knows what kind of idiots we'd get?
There are multiple varieties already in Congress.
I present:
John Murtha - addled jackass
Nancy Pelosi - grand pretender
Cynthia McKinney - violent, possibly psychotic
There's probably about 400 more...
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:44am |
re: #248 Iron Fist
It is really one of the biggest flaws in the American system of Government. People who want power are almost always people who should be kept as far away from power as possible. The more they want it, the more potentially dangerous they are when they get it.
Dennis Miller said something last night that I've been thinking since the election: I'm wary of anybody who wants to be President.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:59am |
re: #257 Dianna
Well, at least none that doesn't involve just one's self and some privacy, anyway.
Doesn't anybody ever fucking knock anymore?!?
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:39:27am |
re: #274 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Dennis Miller said something last night that I've been thinking since the election: I'm wary of anybody who wants to be President.
Can you imagine putting your family through that? Not me.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:39:36am |
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:39:59am |
re: #273 OldLineTexan
There are multiple varieties already in Congress.
I present:
John Murtha - addled jackass
Nancy Pelosi - grand pretender
Cynthia McKinney - violent, possibly psychoticThere's probably about 400 more...
Like your list - but do ya think we really need the "possibly" under the McKinney entry?
:-)
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:10am |
re: #276 freedombilly
Can you imagine putting your family through that? Not me.
I'd never want that type of scrutiny... Too much...
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:18am |
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:43am |
Problem is, in Comp. Religion classes across the nation, the main gist is that Christianity and Judaism are COMPLETE BS, all others are good and noble. That Christianity "stole" from every other, much less harmful religions, that the Biblical creation account was Stolen From the Babylonians, etc. etc. etc, ad infinitum. and that every other religion on the planet is okey dokey.
I do agree with Charles though, not in science class.
Although I do think that History should not neglect Israel's history, just becuase the best, most accurate history of any nation of that time period happens to be a religious book. Not teaching about Israel's history because of this is why most Americans now have absolutely no context in which to view Israel and Judaism. Their history of Israel starts in the 1940s, for the idiotic bigorty of the educated Elite have deemed that the most well-documented and most-researched book in all of human history cannot be used as anything but a "religious book".
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:46am |
re: #278 subsailor68
And McKinney is no longer in Congress... How many people actually voted for that twit for Pres?
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:48am |
re: #236 Charles
Actually, I believe the bottom turtle is standing on a buffalo.
But can ye prove it?
(I think they're standing on Yggdrasil - its only those anti-Vikingists who deny this!)
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:51am |
re: #269 capitalist piglet
Could they be worse than Cynthia McKinney?
Nobody could be worse than Cynthia McKinney :)
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:40:57am |
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:09am |
This is so fabulous, I almost passed out cold.
Schadenfreude
"Leave it to the Germans to concoct an intricate glossary of pain terminology"
and other stuff. Please watch. You won't be sorry.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:14am |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:23am |
re: #280 rawmuse
Ah. I was thinking chin.
Hard to tell about that one...I'm thinking Leno, and I''m pretty sure he's RICH.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:25am |
re: #237 wright1
I neither know, nor care. I'm aware he once stated he was born again; I hope he was comforted and sustained by his faith. However, he could have been making a politically expedient statement, and it would mean exactly as much to me.
My interest in anyone's faith and practice is limited to discovering if he or she means to attempt to force said faith and practice on me.
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:32am |
re: #248 Iron Fist
Hopefully it'll be good enough to survive the next 4-8 years.
If we can make it through 2, I'll be happy.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:34am |
re: #281 MandyManners
Is that a new position?
I hope so. I'm so bored. Been through every position in my copy of the Kharmann Ghia.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:47am |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:58am |
re: #285 mama winger
Nobody could be worse than Cynthia McKinney :)
For the Lord's sake... Don't DARE them!
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:02am |
re: #292 subsailor68
I hope so. I'm so bored. Been through every position in my copy of the Kharmann Ghia.
SPEW
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:04am |
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:10am |
re: #184 rawmuse
The problem -- the thing that makes the Republican party keep around a group that many know is dragging them down -- is that fundamentalist christians are active in the party and frequently provide the ground troops in major campaigns. One way to de-emphasize the influence of conservative christians is for fiscal and national defense conservatives to start stepping into these activist roles within the party. All politics is local. The party will only return to its roots when people other than fundamentalists start to participate in the details of the party's life.
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bellamags Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:32am |
As the Dow index plunges again, here’s a Thursday open thread...
hmmm
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:03am |
re: #293 taxfreekiller
What's up with the snow Global Warming Fraud Classmates,
Prof. Al Gore got lies and fraud into the Curriculum?
[Link: www.arapahoebasin.com...]
web cans do not lie
The earth is cooling. shhhh. the zillion dollar global warming industry doesn't want you to know.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:10am |
re: #283 tfc3rid
And McKinney is no longer in Congress... How many people actually voted for that twit for Pres?
Okay, true story. In the little town next to ours (back a few years) a woman was running for mayor. She and her husband were going on vacation, so they early voted. When they got back, the early votes had been counted.
She got one.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:23am |
re: #281 MandyManners
Is that a new position?
Ever see Fast Times at Ridgemont High? It explains a lot about Sean Penn.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:23am |
re: #300 FrogMarch
The earth is cooling. shhhh. the zillion dollar global warming industry doesn't want you to know.
Come on man... It's Climate Change...
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WrathofG-d Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:29am |
re: #272 Charles
I don't necessarily believe it is, and I don't make decisions regarding Christianity as I am not a Christian. My only point is that those that are fighting evolution being taught, would most likely believe that it was.
You can call them extremists if you want, and maybe you have some personal knowledge regarding Christianity that I do not, which would cause you to know this and I wouldn't, but I do not believe I am in a position to judge how extreme one is in their religious beliefs.
As a point of clarification, isn't the Vatican only Catholic? (honest question, not an expert on Christianity)
[going to lunch anyhow, will check back when I get back]
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rawmuse Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:31am |
My model for the correct brand of Republicanism predates Reagan.
I am in the Barry Goldwater model.
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Lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:51am |
It's pretty much impossible to study any of the natural sciences without teaching evolution. It's the basis for everything that organisms are, do, are used for, etc. If there are hard-core Creationists who truly believe that dinosaurs didn't exist (as a matter of fact, not faith) then how on Earth could they be qualified to be public school Teachers in the first place? How did they even graduate from high-school?
If the Jindahl's etc. of the world really want to destroy science education in favor of Religious education, then obviously they are unfit to be involved in the process. But, just because someone espouses a belief in their place of worship, their hearts, or their homes doesn't necessarily mean that it pervades their secular/professional life. I looked at a few snippets on Wikipedia and if those are truly representative of the Creationist pols' views, then I would think they'd be holed up in a cave somewhere waiting for Armageddon.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:51am |
re: #238 J.S.
You just zoomed by my point and brought in one I don't agree with, and acted as if they are identical.
Trust me, they're not.
But let's drop it. I have ignored my work for this last hour, and I promised to drop many things on my boss before leaving today.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:02am |
If a parent wants to stunt his/her child's critical thinking by teaching them to distrust science and believe in falsehoods like creationism, that's their right, of course.
But the theory of evolution is a well-established scientific fact, and not teaching it in science classes is a ridiculous idea. Without evolution, modern biological science makes no sense.
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The Other Les Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:06am |
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:10am |
re: #298 joncelli
Do you feel that I am dragging the Party down? I mean this as a serious question, not as snark. I am honestly trying to figure this thing out.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:33am |
re: #285 mama winger
Nobody could be worse than Cynthia McKinney :)
I'm thinking toss up here:
Prior to the 110th Congress, [Sheila] Jackson-Lee served on the House Science Committee and on the Subcommittee that oversees space policy and NASA. She once asked, during a visit to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, whether the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted on Mars in 1969 by Neil Armstrong.
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Taqiyyotomist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:07am |
I see (how the hell do you spell?) Jeanine (phonics, people) Gurr-offfa-low glasses (the square, black frames), all the time, on otherwise-attractive young ladies, usually at coffeeshops, and I automatically assume that the're moonbats. Is this wrong?
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:21am |
re: #241 rawmuse
Then she gets married to a charming cad and still doesn't get laid.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:35am |
re: #305 rawmuse
My model for the correct brand of Republicanism predates Reagan.
I am in the Barry Goldwater model.
Limited government. Law enforcement. Strong Defense. Originalist Constitution followed with "all other powers" devolving onto the states.
/nuff said.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:40am |
re: #304 WrathofG-d
Yes, the Vatican is for Catholics. The Eastern Orthodox regard the Pope as merely one of the patriarchs.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:50am |
re: #292 subsailor68
I hope so. I'm so bored. Been through every position in my copy of the Kharmann Ghia.
How many positions could you do in that little car, anyway?
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:58am |
re: #258 MandyManners
As compared to what's there? It couldn't really get much worse. Hell, you've got that William Jefferson who was keeping marked bribe money in his freezer and I reckon he got re-elected. Not to mention Ted Kennedy. Or John Kerry. Nancy Pelosie and the ever-popular Harry Reid.
Having "professional" politicians doesn't work very well.
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sadhu Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:02am |
up 200, down 300, up 200
just a little volatility today :)
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:04am |
re: #287 FrogMarch
This is so fabulous, I almost passed out cold.
Schadenfreudeand other stuff. Please watch. You won't be sorry.
O'Reilly didn't step all over Miller's lines last night.
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:14am |
re: #303 tfc3rid
Come on man... It's Climate Change...
yeah - climate change. /Because we all know the climate is static.
oh looksie! George Soros is behind the global warming industry too.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:32am |
re: #287 FrogMarch
This is so fabulous, I almost passed out cold.
Schadenfreude
and other stuff. Please watch. You won't be sorry.
Saw it last night. Very funny.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:39am |
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The Other Les Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:41am |
re: #311 capitalist piglet
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Jimmah Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:43am |
re: #234 WrathofG-d
Teaching evolution to a child that parents who have Religious beliefs that teach them otherwise in public school also "violates the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to" insofar that it forces their children to be taught un-christian beliefs, and forces them to learn what they would probably consider a form of G-dlessness.
Last time I heard that argument it was from a muslim fundamentalist.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:47:07am |
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:47:33am |
re: #310 mama winger
You didn't ask me, but I believe you are not just wanted in the party, you are needed in the party. The answer, to me, is not booting one side or the other out, but finding a way for the two sides to coexist.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:47:37am |
re: #292 subsailor68
I hope so. I'm so bored. Been through every position in my copy of the Kharmann Ghia.
hahahahahahahahahahaa
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:10am |
re: #315 Honorary Yooper
Yes, the Vatican is for Catholics. The Eastern Orthodox regard the Pope as merely one of the patriarchs.
And the Protestants regard him respectfully as a religious leader and scholar, but not as a spokesman for the faith.
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:33am |
re: #326 joncelli
How does the buffalo feel about this?
Squashed. He's got too many turtles and an elephant on his back.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:59am |
re: #325 mama winger
Oh . There is that.
I think McKinney's worse. Sheehan's resume doesn't have the racist component.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:08am |
re: #224 MandyManners
I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.
I'm more interested in creation techniques. ;)
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:13am |
Sooooo... How abotu that George Soros... He must feel like a real champion eh?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:22am |
Post office $2.8 billion in the red
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
Before you drop that letter in the mail?
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:24am |
Charles,
While I do agree that teaching Creationism, or it's stealthy ideological cousin, Intelligent Design, is a dangerous medievalism, the threat is small compared to the penetration of another pseudo-science into our school curriculum. I'm referring to Marxism, or any of the other cover terms it masquerades under, such as "scientific socialism" or "social justice" or "progressivism". Marxism has permeated the teachers colleges, and is seeping into history, literature and economics classes. It flourishes at our universities. It is just as unscientific & harmful to critical thinking as Creationism and far more dangerous to the principles of democracy.
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:48am |
re: #312 Taqiyyotomist
I see (how the hell do you spell?) Jeanine (phonics, people) Gurr-offfa-low glasses (the square, black frames), all the time, on otherwise-attractive young ladies, usually at coffeeshops, and I automatically assume that the're moonbats. Is this wrong?
That's a reasonable assumption. One might also speculate that a private encounter with someone matching that description would be Kafkaesque.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:54am |
re: #327 capitalist piglet
You didn't ask me, but I believe you are not just wanted in the party, you are needed in the party. The answer, to me, is not booting one side or the other out, but finding a way for the two sides to coexist.
Thank you for that . Not that I have any plans of going anywhere at all - you guys are stuck with me for life LOL :)
I think litmus tests for any issue is a bad idea. We need to find common ground on the essentials, and be charitable in the non-essentials.
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:58am |
re: #251 Big Print
Hmm, got to work a couple trannies in there. Otherwise, a wonderful suggestion!
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:52:03am |
re: #276 freedombilly
Can you imagine putting your family through that? Not me.
On the other hand, there are many choices people make that are bad for their family in certain ways, but are overall a good and noble act.
Like joining the military. Many a man or woman has missed major events in their children's lives and large chunks of time because they were away making things better for everyone. I think some politicians, or rather I would say some statesmen, realize the hardship on their families but think it is worth it if they can make the world a better place, yes even for their own children, just not as directly.
Of course, many politicians are motivated more by selfish desire for what they want to do, without much thought for their children/spouse.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:52:14am |
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satan sidekick Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:52:57am |
re: #50 Mostly Annoyed
Strange things about those new voters. Many of them registered to vote in counties that border either solid blue states or red states that weren't going to turn blue. I suspect a few folks simply "traveled" over state lines. Check out the county by county results in NC OH and VA here
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:53:39am |
re: #301 subsailor68
Okay, true story. In the little town next to ours (back a few years) a woman was running for mayor. She and her husband were going on vacation, so they early voted. When they got back, the early votes had been counted.
She got one.
Bet that couch got cold.
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Dianna Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:54:19am |
re: #329 mama winger
And the Protestants regard him respectfully as a religious leader and scholar, but not as a spokesman for the faith.
Except for the ones who view him as the anti-Christ; fortunately, those are a lot thinner on the ground than they were.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:54:54am |
re: #339 joncelli
I asked a question of you in post #310 - I am wondering if you saw it?
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:55:29am |
re: #318 sadhu
up 200, down 300, up 200
just a little volatility today :)
If you put your arms up in the air, it is more fun. Wheeeeee
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:55:30am |
If we're back on this, I'd just like to reiterate that there are many strong Christians who believe that God created everything out of nothing but it wasn't over 6 days. The Big Bang Theory used to be quite controversial among scientists because it pointed to a single "creative event" rather than all matter having been here forever. There really is a preponderance of evidence for an old earth and I'd like my daughter to be a scientist some day so I'd like her to learn the How and When at school and the Who and Why from us and church.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:55:52am |
re: #344 Silhouette
Bet that couch got cold.
That dog house must have been pretty big to have a couch in it.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:07am |
re: #344 Silhouette
Bet that couch got cold.
Yeah, and he didn't look too good - said it was tough getting any sleep with one eye open.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:17am |
For Sale: One Seat. Brand New. ALmost never been sat in!
Obama resigning Senate seat as of Sunday
[Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:33am |
re: #301 subsailor68
Okay, true story. In the little town next to ours (back a few years) a woman was running for mayor. She and her husband were going on vacation, so they early voted. When they got back, the early votes had been counted.
She got one.
LOL! Is the hubby still alive? Are they still married?
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:35am |
re: #335 Kenneth
Dinger not working - consider yourself updinged for that!
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:45am |
re: #346 mama winger
re: #339 joncelliI asked a question of you in post #310 - I am wondering if you saw it?
Can I answer for him? Please stay in the party. We can all find many more things in common than not.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:48am |
re: #345 Dianna
Except for the ones who view him as the anti-Christ; fortunately, those are a lot thinner on the ground than they were.
Yes, I think MUCH MUCH of that is fading into the woodwork, thank goodness.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:49am |
re: #348 Spenser (with an S)
If we're back on this, I'd just like to reiterate that there are many strong Christians who believe that God created everything out of nothing but it wasn't over 6 days. The Big Bang Theory used to be quite controversial among scientists because it pointed to a single "creative event" rather than all matter having been here forever. There really is a preponderance of evidence for an old earth and I'd like my daughter to be a scientist some day so I'd like her to learn the How and When at school and the Who and Why from us and church.
Hear hear!
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:06am |
re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I think McKinney's worse. Sheehan's resume doesn't have the racist component.
Sheehan said some nasty anti-semetic things if I recall.
About the war in Iraq being for the benefit of the Jews. Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:28am |
re: #357 Silhouette
Sheehan said some nasty anti-semetic things if I recall.
About the war in Iraq being for the benefit of the Jews. Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly.
No you are correct.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:33am |
re: #352 Russkilitlover
LOL! Is the hubby still alive? Are they still married?
In truth, I haven't seen either of them in years. My guesses: maybe and probably not.
:-)
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:38am |
re: #338 mama winger
Thank you for that . Not that I have any plans of going anywhere at all - you guys are stuck with me for life LOL :)
I think litmus tests for any issue is a bad idea. We need to find common ground on the essentials, and be charitable in the non-essentials.
Agree wholeheartedly!
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:52am |
re: #354 Spenser (with an S)
Can I answer for him?
NO ! ! NO YOU MAY NOT ! !
/ there are rules ya know ......
:)
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:06am |
re: #310 mama winger
I do not want to insult anybody. I appreciate everybody's work in the party. But it's an iron law of politics that the activists in a party are not representative of the electorate. What I think is that the Republicans need a new injection of people from the outside to step into the day-to-day workings of the party. (Mama, honest, I wasn't trying to be insulting.)
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:07am |
re: #274 Who Watches the Watchmen?
That is a sentiment that I certainly agree with. Why would anyone want that job? I can understand feeling like it is your duty to run (like Fred Thompson apparently did), but want it? Shit, the stress alone would drive a minister to drink.
For what kind of reward? You have to be rich to even be in consideration for the position, so monetary gain is out. People want it to be able to shape the direction the country is going in. They want the power for the sake of power, although most of them would deny this.
I believe Obama when he says he wants to change America. I just don't believe I like the idea of living in the USA he wants to create. He's about to find out that being President doesn't make him dictator. That is something we've gotten right. Our system was set up with lots of checks on power. Fundamentally, the Founders didn't trust the politicians any more than we do. All things considered, they did a pretty bang-up job for a bunch of Dead White Men.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:14am |
re: #338 mama winger
Thank you for that . Not that I have any plans of going anywhere at all - you guys are stuck with me for life LOL :)
I think litmus tests for any issue is a bad idea. We need to find common ground on the essentials, and be charitable in the non-essentials.
Agreed. And for the record, I am unashamed of my belief in God, and of my Christianity. Where my politics are concerned I lean toward the libertarian (to a point - I am definitely more live-and-let-live than some conservatives), and you're right - there is plenty of common ground and that should be our focus.
There seems to be a movement in the nation overall to drive Christians underground, and it's wrong. We should have a place at the table, too.
[ I'm not talking about science class here - I personally don't think God and science are incompatible, and neither does my brother, a scientist with a PhD...in Wisconsin. : ) ]
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Bos2112 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:16am |
The One, Pelosi, Paulson spew and the Dow tanks ,W speaks and the dow jumps. Any correlation?
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:28am |
re: #357 Silhouette
Sheehan said some nasty anti-semetic things if I recall.
About the war in Iraq being for the benefit of the Jews. Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly.
That's a widespread moonbat belief these days and a baseless canard. Israel didn't particularly encourage the Iraq project.
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Fibonacci Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:59:05am |
Governor Palin holds press conference!
She was very impressive at this press conference. Short video.
[Link: www.swamppolitics.com...]
More proof that the McCain handlers totally blew it. She has no fear of the press or the MSM. It was the McCain team that smothered her. Now that she is unleashed Governor Palin is very impressive. She has a confidence that can’t be faked.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:59:11am |
re: #348 Spenser (with an S)
If we're back on this, I'd just like to reiterate that there are many strong Christians who believe that God created everything out of nothing but it wasn't over 6 days. The Big Bang Theory used to be quite controversial among scientists because it pointed to a single "creative event" rather than all matter having been here forever. There really is a preponderance of evidence for an old earth and I'd like my daughter to be a scientist some day so I'd like her to learn the How and When at school and the Who and Why from us and church.
Absolutely - but that's the real point. Santorum, Jindal, and the other creationists are not satisfied with keeping science and religion separate. They are specifically advocating to force the teaching of creationism on everyone's children, in public school science classes. That's why they are a big problem for the GOP - not because of their personal beliefs, but because they're activists. And I would argue that they're anti-freedom activists.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:59:41am |
A sign of things to come?
California Musical Theatre director steps down
Scott Eckern, artistic director of the California Musical Theatre, is resigning his post and leaving the organization.A boycott of the theater was called Tuesday by some in the national arts community when news broke that Eckern contributed $1,000 to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign, which supported the ban on gay marriage.
Exercise your 1st Amendment rights, lose your job. Make no mistake Eckern was forced out for supporting Prop 8.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:59:42am |
re: #357 Silhouette
Sheehan said some nasty anti-semetic things if I recall.
About the war in Iraq being for the benefit of the Jews. Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly.
I missed that, but I didn't pay attention to everything she did or said. You could very well be right.
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:00:01pm |
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:01:05pm |
re: #308 Charles
If a parent wants to stunt his/her child's critical thinking by teaching them to distrust science and believe in falsehoods like creationism, that's their right, of course.
But the theory of evolution is a well-established scientific fact, and not teaching it in science classes is a ridiculous idea. Without evolution, modern biological science makes no sense.
It's all part of the big poof theory.. 6000 years ago..poof..everything just sort of happened..Pay no attention to those 4.3 billion year old rocks..
they just poof'd here also...and fossil records? forget about it..
part of the big poof theory...
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:01:21pm |
re: #363 joncelli
(Mama, honest, I wasn't trying to be insulting.)
Oh, I know you weren't ! I know that you and I and everyone else here are only trying to find our way after the defeat of last week. In order to do that it is essential that we have honest dialogue and that is exactly what I see you doing - along with every one else here.
We know each other well - we are family. Families can hash it out and disagree and still - we are family. We may beat each other about the head and neck at times - but still, here we are :)
I welcome the discussion, and I know you do too.
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:02:26pm |
re: #338 mama winger
We need to find common ground on the essentials, and be charitable in the non-essentials.
I joined for a short time a group of women whose goal was to reduce the number of abortions.
It was a combination of those that were anti-abortion AND strong pro-choice feminists who, while defending abortion when necessary, wanted to work together to make it unnecessary as much as possible.
It was refreshing to see differences put aside like that, especially considering that is one of the most passionate and emotional differences we have in our society.
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DistantThunder Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:02:39pm |
re: #209 Dianna
Not really. But he paid lip-service to the concept, just enough to keep the target voting bloc in line.
Cutting federal funding for abortion overseas was more a proper fiscal move than anything else.
Not only that but when you see the "facilities" in these third world countries and realize how in Russia alone millions of women become sterile through infections after abortions...there is much more at stake. (looking for link)
When I was in Guatemala I saw dogs, yes dogs, walking through the hospital corridors. There were no autoclaves for instrument sterilization.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:02:42pm |
re: #375 HoosierHoops
It's all part of the big poof theory.. 6000 years ago..poof..everything just sort of happened..Pay no attention to those 4.3 billion year old rocks..
they just poof'd here also...and fossil records? forget about it..
part of the big poof theory...
4.3 billion year old rocks, and 10 billion year old star are a test of faith.
/ or so I was told.
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:03:24pm |
re: #370 Charles
Speaking of the war on science: add this to the list.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:03:28pm |
re: #356 pre-Boomer Marine brat
re: #348 Spenser (with an S)
If we're back on this, I'd just like to reiterate that there are many strong Christians who believe that God created everything out of nothing but it wasn't over 6 days. The Big Bang Theory used to be quite controversial among scientists because it pointed to a single "creative event" rather than all matter having been here forever. There really is a preponderance of evidence for an old earth and I'd like my daughter to be a scientist some day so I'd like her to learn the How and When at school and the Who and Why from us and church.
Hear hear!
Thanks. Great book by two Phd's and very strong Christians helped me sort out the theory to my satisfaction.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:04:06pm |
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:04:20pm |
So far, so good.The first week of Barack Obama's transition to the presidency has gone about as well as anyone could imagine.
David Broder
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Russkilitlover Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:04:44pm |
The board said it appreciated Eckern's years of service./blockquote>Fuck them, is all I can say.
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Sheldon Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:04:47pm |
# 348
If we're back on this, I'd just like to reiterate that there are many strong Christians who believe that God created everything out of nothing but it wasn't over 6 days.
Are "they" saying the Bible isn't true? (re: Gen. I )
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:04:56pm |
re: #377 Silhouette
Exactly. We do what we can with the tools that are available to us. When bad things cannot be eliminated, they must be reduced or contained.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:05:18pm |
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:05:19pm |
re: #366 capitalist piglet
Yes - we should not be made to feel as if we have to hide our Christian belief, or keep out of politics.
Our belief ought to infuse how we look at and try to solve problems in everyday life, ours and in our communities or even in the state.
We know - well, we ought to! - that these will not be solved if we force our belief down other people's throats ...
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:05:22pm |
re: #30 capitalist piglet
I would like to pose a question to everyone:
What is your all-time favorite line from The Sopranos? Mine is:
"I've got federal marshalls so far up my ass, I can taste Brylcreme."
"He killed 14 Czechoslovakians. He's an interior decorator."
"Really? His place looked like shit."
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:05:30pm |
re: #368 Moe Katz
That's a widespread moonbat belief these days and a baseless canard. Israel didn't particularly encourage the Iraq project.
Since when has truth mattered in any good "Jews are controlling the world" rumor?
:-(
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:05:58pm |
re: #379 JCM
4.3 billion year old rocks, and 10 billion year old star are a test of faith.
/ or so I was told.
Imagine if Einstein believed in ID...
give me hard science or give me death..
/ mmm. that line sounds vaguely familiar
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:06:15pm |
Dow SMOW. . .let's talk about the PUPPY. . .DRAMA. . .what will they get for the first dog. . .spit
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:06:30pm |
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:06:45pm |
re: #390 Silhouette
Since when has truth mattered in any good "Jews are controlling the world" rumor?
:-(
Sadly true :(
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Bubblehead II Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:07:28pm |
re: #248 Iron Fist
David Eddings had the same idea in his Malloreon series. Some island nation (can't remember its name) drafted their leader and confiscated their property for the duration of their term. If the Nation prospered under their leadership, at the end of their term they got their property back with interest. If the Nation did poorly under their leadership, they got back a lot less than what they started with if anything
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:07:37pm |
re: #387 Nevergiveup
A blow job is a terrible thing to waste?
Ack! The mind bleach. . . full strength. . .moonbats from work, the mental images. . .ack ack
:)
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:08:15pm |
re: #393 capitalist piglet
Tolerance!
Kid experiments in Oak Park school, comes face-to-face with the "tolerant" left.
Immediately, Catherine learned she was stupid for wearing a shirt with Republican John McCain's name. Not merely stupid. Very stupid.
"People were upset. But they started saying things, calling me very stupid, telling me my shirt was stupid and I shouldn't be wearing it," Catherine said.
Then it got worse.
"One person told me to go die. It was a lot of dying. A lot of comments about how I should be killed," Catherine said, of the tolerance in Oak Park
What a brave kiddo.
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Bobibutu Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:08:18pm |
re: #367 Bos2112
The One, Pelosi, Paulson spew and the Dow tanks ,W speaks and the dow jumps. Any correlation?
Must be your imagination.
/
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:08:29pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:09:20pm |
re: #383 JCM
... as well as anyone could imagine.
And not as bad as others could imagine ... but never fear Hope, we always have CHANGE!
/sorry ... how are you today? Did the little one get over the yucks?
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:09:47pm |
re: #335 Kenneth
Global Warmism as God is a much more prevalent threat to freedom than Creationism of whatever stripe. It is taught as the infallible one word of truth, and to question it is to risk ridicule and poor grades at the very least.
And while they may say the science is "settled" the truth is that it is far from settled. I came across something in the last few days that said a new theory was startin gto make the rounds that we would be headed into a million year Ice Age without Global Warming.
I shit you not.
Hell, these "scientists" can't reliably predict the weather next week, but the want me to believe that they can predict the weather 50 years from now. Snake oil salesmen without the respectible reputation of snake oil.
But they want to wreck the economy in the name of their cult. And Barry Hussein is going to be there to help them, at least rhetorically. It'll be interesting to see if he tries to revive the Kyoto Treaty.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:09:51pm |
re: #400 JCM
That heretic is just asking for an auto de fe.
/extreme sarc
An auto-da-fé with a Torquemadic transmission.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:09:54pm |
re: #370 Charles
Charles, I would just like to say that it is nice to have you around discussing topics and not just posting new threads. Your opinion is valued highly.
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:10:26pm |
re: #386 mama winger
Exactly. We do what we can with the tools that are available to us. When bad things cannot be eliminated, they must be reduced or contained.
Which you may have just stated the major difference between leftists and rightists.
They believe we can make things better. We believe that there will always be flaws, and that every solution causes negative effects of its own. The trick then it to find the best trade off.
Life's a trade off. Like using DDT, which will cause X additional deaths by cancer per year but save 10,000X additional lives each year from malaria.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:10:40pm |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:10:50pm |
re: #393 capitalist piglet
Tolerance!
Kid experiments in Oak Park school, comes face-to-face with the "tolerant" left.
Gottenyu!
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:11:03pm |
City Council: Detroit needs $10-billion bailout
[Link: www.freep.com...]
Boy, that bail-out line is gettting real long!
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:11:17pm |
re: #14 yma o hyd
Religious beliefs simply have no place in a political party.
A secular state is not a-religious, it simply does not give room in its legislation for anything based on religious views.
Every citizen is still free to cling to whatever religious text is his preferred one - but the tenets of that book won't find place in legislation.
All those who reject this - just think about a party for the introduction of Sharia law ... how can this be refused, if that party gets a majority, when there are no safeguards to keep religion out of politics?
And yet the US Constitution was based on rights endowed by our Creator.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:11:29pm |
re: #385 Sheldon
# 348If we're back on this, I'd just like to reiterate that there are many strong Christians who believe that God created everything out of nothing but it wasn't over 6 days.
Are "they" saying the Bible isn't true? (re: Gen. I )
No, "I" am not. The first few chapters of Genesis are classic Hebrew poetry with the repetitions, etc.. Think of the audience, nomadic people who would have no way of even knowing the earth is round and just needed to know "Who" did this and why are we here. When later, the scriptures record an event as having happened in a straight reported form, I also take that for what it was and fully believe it happened as written, including the miracles. The Bible doesn't tell how to make a compass or cross an ocean or any number of scientific things ("The storehouses of snow in the sky") but it does tell us everything we need to know about God and our relationship to Him.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:11:31pm |
re: #401 pre-Boomer Marine brat
And not as bad as others could imagine ... but never
fearHope, we always have CHANGE!/sorry ... how are you today? Did the little one get over the yucks?
Everything seems to back in battery. Doing well, right now I have to herd engineers here in WA, in the Philippines, and in India to agree on a project's parameters so I can go build the hardware. Give me a herd of cats any day of the week.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:11:33pm |
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:11:58pm |
re: #408 Nevergiveup
City Council: Detroit needs $10-billion bailout
[Link: www.freep.com...]
Boy, that bail-out line is gettting real long!
Will you hold my place in line while I go to the bathroom ?
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:12:17pm |
re: #380 FrogMarch
Speaking of the war on science: add this to the list.
Yep, antivaccination kookery is also on the rise. This is a brand of anti-science insanity that crosses party lines. You can find numerous articles promoting it at WeirdNutDrooly and other kook sites on both sides.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:12:40pm |
Just thinking-
Would John Lennon have a fatwa issued for the song "Imagine"
No religion, no heaven, no hell. . .no Allah/Hashem/Jesus
just wondering. . .
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:01pm |
re: #413 mama winger
Will you hold my place in line while I go to the bathroom ?
What's in it for me?
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:12pm |
re: #400 JCM
The Catholic Church is not promoting creationism. That comes from here at home.
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Bobibutu Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:24pm |
re: #408 Nevergiveup
City Council: Detroit needs $10-billion bailout
[Link: www.freep.com...]
Boy, that bail-out line is gettting real long!
Never should have started in the first place! Grrrrrr
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:41pm |
re: #411 JCM
Everything seems to back in battery. Doing well, right now I have to herd engineers here in WA, in the Philippines, and in India to agree on a project's parameters so I can go build the hardware. Give me a herd of cats any day of the week.
*eyes opening wide*
I didn't know you worked for EDS!
/good news
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:47pm |
Geesh... the media is still in full propaganda mode for the One
By David S. Broder
Thursday, November 13, 2008; Page A23So far, so good.
The first week of Barack Obama's transition to the presidency has gone about as well as anyone could imagine. His few public appearances have been gaffe-free, and his initial decisions in setting up his administration have been strongly reassuring.
If by "gaffe-free" you don't count the classless insult of a former first lady, and then leaking the confidential conversation with President Bush...
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:54pm |
re: #408 Nevergiveup
City Council: Detroit needs $10-billion bailout
[Link: www.freep.com...]
Boy, that bail-out line is gettting real long!
Didn't Philly just about go belly up?
Let me guess, Republican-run cities?
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:13:55pm |
re: #367 Bos2112
The One, Pelosi, Paulson spew and the Dow tanks ,W speaks and the dow jumps. Any correlation?
W's speech was good today. He's definitly not going to abandon free markets for the next few months and I think the market likes that.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:14:01pm |
re: #410 Spenser (with an S)
I ,for one am with ya Spenser!
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:14:12pm |
re: #417 Nevergiveup
What's in it for me?
I won't bash you in the head with my bog ol' King James Bible.
:)
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:14:30pm |
re: #418 Peacekeeper
The Catholic Church is not promoting creationism. That comes from here at home.
Ya' never know what these folks will pick up.
No slight against The Catholic Church intended.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:14:37pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:14:46pm |
re: #425 mama winger
I won't bash you in the head with my bog ol' King James Bible.
:)
Take all the time you need, Maam!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:14:57pm |
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:15:03pm |
re: #423 DeafDog
W's speech was good today. He's definitly not going to abandon free markets for the next few months and I think the market likes that.
Ya, well, she's tanking again... Long Live King Volatile!
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:15:04pm |
re: #421 Kenneth
Nothing like reporting opinion as fact.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:15:17pm |
re: #425 mama winger
I won't bash you in the head with my bog ol' King James Bible.
:)
I prefer hitting people over the head with my Catholic Bible - more books in there, so it really leaves a mark!
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:15:34pm |
re: #415 DisturbedEma
Just thinking-
Would John Lennon have a fatwa issued for the song "Imagine"
No religion, no heaven, no hell. . .no Allah/Hashem/Jesus
just wondering. . .
No countries, no possessions...sounds like a citizen of the world.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:15:54pm |
re: #414 Charles
Yep, antivaccination kookery is also on the rise. This is a brand of anti-science insanity that crosses party lines. You can find numerous articles promoting it at WeirdNutDrooly and other kook sites on both sides.
Who needs doctors and scientists when we've got former Playmates?
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:02pm |
re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I prefer hitting people over the head with my Catholic Bible - more books in there, so it really leaves a mark!
How about a combo NIV-King James? With Scofield reference!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:04pm |
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:10pm |
re: #391 HoosierHoops
Imagine if Einstein believed in ID...
give me hard science or give me death..
/ mmm. that line sounds vaguely familiar
"Only when you remove Darwinism from my cold dead hands."
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:12pm |
re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I prefer hitting people over the head with my Catholic Bible - more books in there, so it really leaves a mark!
But can't ya get up a higher velocity with a lighter longer edition?
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unreconstructed rebel Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:37pm |
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:38pm |
re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I prefer hitting people over the head with my Catholic Bible - more books in there, so it really leaves a mark!
In that case I might become a Mormon, the Bible and the Book of Mormon to whack with.
Or maybe a really Orthodox Jew, I can use stone tablets.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:16:53pm |
re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I prefer hitting people over the head with my Catholic Bible - more books in there, so it really leaves a mark!
Hey - I gotta get me one of those there !
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:02pm |
re: #434 Who Watches the Watchmen?
No countries, no possessions...sounds like a citizen of the world.
Right. . .but religion. . .none. . .and calling for the removal of any theocracy. . .socialism + theocracy = ?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:11pm |
re: #434 Who Watches the Watchmen?
No countries, no possessions...sounds like a citizen of the world.
One of my favorite parts from Forrest Gump - aside from our hero punching out a filthy hippie - is when he's on Dick Cavett describing Red China & that inspires John Lennon: "no possessions, no religion"...
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:21pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:25pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:36pm |
re: #442 JCM
In that case I might become a Mormon, the Bible and the Book of Mormon to whack with.
Or maybe a really Orthodox Jew, I can use stone tablets.
Well Moses broke a few and the rest are in hiding with the Ark.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:38pm |
re: #421 Kenneth
Somebody tell Broder that The One was already elected and that McCain is not pulling a Gore and asking the courts to appoint him POTUS. It's over.
Then again what do I expect. These losers are still running against Bush!
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opnion Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:42pm |
re: #402 Iron Fist
Global Warmism as God is a much more prevalent threat to freedom than Creationism of whatever stripe. It is taught as the infallible one word of truth, and to question it is to risk ridicule and poor grades at the very least.
And while they may say the science is "settled" the truth is that it is far from settled. I came across something in the last few days that said a new theory was startin gto make the rounds that we would be headed into a million year Ice Age without Global Warming.
I shit you not.
Hell, these "scientists" can't reliably predict the weather next week, but the want me to believe that they can predict the weather 50 years from now. Snake oil salesmen without the respectible reputation of snake oil.
But they want to wreck the economy in the name of their cult. And Barry Hussein is going to be there to help them, at least rhetorically. It'll be interesting to see if he tries to revive the Kyoto Treaty.
Global Warming has a cult like following, much like Obama.
It is just that in both cases the following is huge.
You are correct the science is far from settled.
30, 000 years ago a third of the planet was a sheet of ice.
The ice has been retreating to the poles all of that time.
This could indicate Global warming, but in no way proves man as the primary cause. Other planets in our Galaxy are warming & we are not there.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:53pm |
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:17:57pm |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18:10pm |
re: #442 JCM
In that case I might become a Mormon, the Bible and the Book of Mormon to whack with.
Or maybe a really Orthodox Jew, I can use stone tablets.
Umm, so you know where the Ark is. . .oh, and they are powder now. . .oh, and our Torahs are paper and wood. . .
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18:25pm |
re: #421 Kenneth
Those weren't gaffes, they were high-jinks! The One will never make a gaffe. Not to the lapdog media. They'll always be there to carry the water for him. Because he's a Lightworker 'n shit.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18:31pm |
re: #448 Nevergiveup
Well Moses broke a few and the rest are in hiding with the Ark.
You beat me to it!
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18:33pm |
re: #402 Iron Fist
Yes, Global Warming is another ideology masquerading as science. Please note: it's not the scientific community who are promoting Global Warming so much as the politicians and activists who have jumped on the band-wagon. Scientists are doing science, conducting experiments, doing studies and writing papers. The activists & media ignore the majority of papers which dispute man-made global warming, and focus on the few that support the hypothesis.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18:53pm |
re: #414 Charles
re: #380 FrogMarch
Speaking of the war on science: add this to the list.
Yep, antivaccination kookery is also on the rise. This is a brand of anti-science insanity that crosses party lines. You can find numerous articles promoting it at WeirdNutDrooly and other kook sites on both sides.
Yes, and that kookery has a body count, unlike other kookiness.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:18:59pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:03pm |
re: #421 Kenneth
Geesh... the media is still in full propaganda mode for the One
If by "gaffe-free" you don't count the classless insult of a former first lady, and then leaking the confidential conversation with President Bush...
Those weren't gaffes. He meant to say them.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:05pm |
re: #447 MandyManners
She won't pee on your shoes.
I could think of worse places to be peed on? Just saying.
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:11pm |
re: #433 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I prefer hitting people over the head with my Catholic Bible - more books in there, so it really leaves a mark!
I prefer a 2 X 4. Leaves a bigger mark.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:24pm |
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:45pm |
Well I have to take a nap so that later tonight I can go see impossibly tiny gymnasts balance on impossibly tiny gymnast things.
see ya's
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:46pm |
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:19:50pm |
re: #453 DisturbedEma
Umm, so you know where the Ark is. . .oh, and they are powder now. . .oh, and our Torahs are paper and wood. . .
Details, details, pffffttt.
;-)
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:20:03pm |
re: #462 Steve
I prefer a 2 X 4. Leaves a bigger mark.
With the 10. . .written. . . .with a Sharpie. . .
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:20:22pm |
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:20:25pm |
I generally stay out of theological discussions, but I remember the scene in "Inherit the Wind" where Spencer Tracy is questioning Frederic March. I can't remember the exact lines (will probably get them wrong), but Tracy points out that Genesis says God first created light. Then he created darkness, and the first day was created. When March agrees - Tracy makes the point that, since God created light first, then darkness, couldn't the length of the first day been millions of years?
(Sorry I couldn't find the exact scene, but it's something like that.)
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:20:32pm |
re: #466 JCM
Details, details, pffffttt.
;-)
Yeah, this election shows thay are no longer of any importance. . .
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:20:50pm |
re: #435 freedombilly
Who needs doctors and scientists when we've got former Playmates?
Weren't the Girls Next Door working on an alternative energy project?
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:07pm |
re: #467 DisturbedEma
With the 10. . .written. . . .with a Sharpie. . .
A router works better. Will not wear off.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:09pm |
re: #468 Moe Katz
Sure. What did you expect, the Spanish Inquisition?
Been there done that, got the free tee. . .oh, wait. . .
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:09pm |
re: #436 tfc3rid
The One will never be criticized...
My lying eyes - 1
Cognitos lying MSM promotion - 0
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Lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:11pm |
I think any economics teacher who preaches that Socialism is a workable model is worse than any of the Creationists. If you're "wrong" about God or evolution, you still get to live in a free, prosperous country. If you're wrong about Socialism you end up impoverished, imprisoned or dead.
Anyway, I'm gonna go take a deeper look at the policies of Santorum, Jindahl, etc. I've seen enough garbage about Bush/Palin/Israel/the War, etc. on the Internet that turned out to be hysterical fear-mongering or just plain false to trust anything that I see in a cursory web search.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:13pm |
re: #426 JCM
The Orthodox church has been much more experimental over the ages. Roman Catholicism is actually quite consistent in doctrine. When it changes it usually makes big changes. IE: Pope John 23...
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:19pm |
re: #424 reloadingisnotahobby
re: #410 Spenser (with an S)
I ,for one am with ya Spenser!
Yes, it feels a little weird to be a very conservative Christian but believe the earth is old. Kind of makes us stand out in a few crowds so thanks for the support.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:30pm |
re: #456 Kenneth
But I read in Rolling Stone a quote by Al Gore (are you sitting down?) a couple of months ago that "all debate within the scientific community was basically over" on global warming.
The question is what is more amazing: Gore slinging this BS or that I actually grabbed a Rolling Stone off a newsstand and read it for five minutes that I will never get back.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:37pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:21:47pm |
re: #451 mama winger
sez you
Is that what happens when there's a line at the bathroom door?
... Minding your pees in queues?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:22:08pm |
re: #414 Charles
Yep, antivaccination kookery is also on the rise. This is a brand of anti-science insanity that crosses party lines. You can find numerous articles promoting it at WeirdNutDrooly and other kook sites on both sides.
"Science and technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to assume that they would go on developing. This failed to happen, partly because of the impoverishment caused by a long series of wars and revolutions, partly because scientific and technical progress depended on the empirical habit of thought, which could not survive in a strictly regimented society. "
"In Oceania at the present day, Science, in the old sense, has almost ceased to exist. In Newspeak there is no word for 'Science'. The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc. And even technological progress only happens when its products can in some way be used for the diminution of human liberty."
"THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM by Emmanuel Goldstein" (from 1984)
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:22:32pm |
re: #471 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Weren't the Girls Next Door working on an alternative energy project?
How else do you explain that Hugh still has enough power to get around?
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:22:35pm |
re: #462 Steve
If you are going to hit someone, I prefer a crow-bar. Hook it into their forehead, and pull their face off. They tend to find other things than you to worry about at that point :-)
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wee fury Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:22:53pm |
Left town 11/5 knowing Obama won the election. Came home yesterday. No election threads . . . so many more things to discuss -- terrorism, economy, military, ID, interest rates, public schools, California, how to cook a tasty turkey, Russia, NATO, homeless people, SSI scams.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:22:54pm |
re: #480 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Is that what happens when there's a line at the bathroom door?
... Minding your pees in queues?
Isn't it odd that we need 5 letters (queue) to spell 1 letter (Q)?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:22:54pm |
re: #474 debutaunt
My lying eyes - 1
Cognitos lying MSM promotion - 0
YES, I was hoping someone was keeping score!
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Bobibutu Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:23:14pm |
re: #450 opnion
Global Warming has a cult like following, much like Obama.
It is just that in both cases the following is huge.
You are correct the science is far from settled.
30, 000 years ago a third of the planet was a sheet of ice.
The ice has been retreating to the poles all of that time.
This could indicate Global warming, but in no way proves man as the primary cause. Other planets in our Galaxy are warming & we are not there.
Here .. I posted this yesterday.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Earth would be heading to a freeze without CO2 emissions
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:23:29pm |
re: #480 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Mandy, we need a whack over here.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:23:43pm |
re: #414 Charles
I heard Dr. Paul Offitt speak a few weeks ago. He's a physician, scholar, and author who can debunk anti-vaccination hysteria in ten minutes flat. Most important, multiple scientific studies demonstrate that mercury in vaccines does NOT cause autism. Yet parents are abandoning vaccination for their children in droves because of the hysteria. And un-vaccinated children are dying in growing numbers of preventable diseases. It's obscene.
I highly recommend Offitt's writings on this issue.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:23:49pm |
It seems that ordinarily, due to expected shifts in the Earth's orbit thousands of years from now, Earth would normally expect an ice age. However, you'll never guess what is going to save us from that ice age.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:23:57pm |
Charles, can we get a registration thread sir? My son needs his own nic. Put one up in the middle of the night and you won't get many moby's but you will get rustler. Just ask'in.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:02pm |
re: #486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Isn't it odd that we need 5 letters (queue) to spell 1 letter (Q)?
Yes, but you will need to post that in triplicate. . .in the new world disorder
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:06pm |
re: #469 subsailor68
I generally stay out of theological discussions, but I remember the scene in "Inherit the Wind" where Spencer Tracy is questioning Frederic March. I can't remember the exact lines (will probably get them wrong), but Tracy points out that Genesis says God first created light. Then he created darkness, and the first day was created. When March agrees - Tracy makes the point that, since God created light first, then darkness, couldn't the length of the first day been millions of years?
(Sorry I couldn't find the exact scene, but it's something like that.)
There is nothing in Genesis that states how long or shoet a day was.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:24pm |
re: #486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Isn't it odd that we need 5 letters (queue) to spell 1 letter (Q)?
Queue makes for a longer line.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:40pm |
re: #482 freedombilly
How else do you explain that Hugh still has enough power to get around?
Well it ain't socialized medicine!
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:48pm |
re: #494 Steve
There is nothing in Genesis that states how long or shoet a day was.
Yep! Good point.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:54pm |
re: #480 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Is that what happens when there's a line at the bathroom door?
... Minding your pees in queues?
LOL!
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:24:56pm |
re: #478 freedombilly
But I read in Rolling Stone a quote by Al Gore (are you sitting down?) a couple of months ago that "all debate within the scientific community was basically over" on global warming.
The question is what is more amazing: Gore slinging this BS or that I actually grabbed a Rolling Stone off a newsstand and read it for five minutes that I will never get back.
I love what Gore said in "Earth in the Balance":
"The Pacific yew can be cut down and processed to produce a potent chemical, taxol, which offers some promise of curing certain forms of lung, breast, and ovarian cancer in patients who would otherwise quickly die. It seems an easy choice -- sacrifice the tree for a human life -- until one learns that three trees must be destroyed for each patient treated, that only specimens more than a hundred years old contain the potent chemical in their bark, and that there are very few of these yews remaining on earth."
Three trees, you say?! Well, that's different!
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:19pm |
re: #494 Steve
There is nothing in Genesis that states how long or shoet a day was.
Really? I thought they mentioned it in ABBACAB or maybe Invisible Touch...
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guitarguy Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:23pm |
re: Jenny McCarthy/Autism/Anti-vaccine, etc.
[Link: www.childrenofthenewearth.com...]
[Link: www.babble.com...]
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:24pm |
re: #490 quickjustice
I heard Dr. Paul Offitt speak a few weeks ago. He's a physician, scholar, and author who can debunk anti-vaccination hysteria in ten minutes flat. Most important, multiple scientific studies demonstrate that mercury in vaccines does NOT cause autism. Yet parents are abandoning vaccination for their children in droves because of the hysteria. And un-vaccinated children are dying in growing numbers of preventable diseases. It's obscene.
I highly recommend Offitt's writings on this issue.
I would rather have my living healthy autistic son, than risk his health- even if those studies were true. . . which I doubt, autism is not fatal! These diseases are. . .end of discussion.
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MandyManners Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:31pm |
Going to the park. Have a great day, Lizards.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:32pm |
The science of global warming is far from settled, and many people are debating the meaning of the data.
However... it's a little foolish to argue that the whole thing is a hoax, and there's no evidence for human impact on the Earth's climate. There is evidence, and a lot of it, that the activities of human beings are having a very significant effect.
I'm no expert, and I haven't reached any conclusions on it. But the 'global warming' hypothesis can't simply be dismissed as kookery.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:37pm |
While I was on vacation, my office held a discussion after work on articles on the certainty of Climate change and its impact on infrastructure. Now I support my company's pursit of $$ to research impacts of sea level rise (as a capitalist, any work is good!) but I vehemently disagree with the 'science' used to prove Climate change. Some of the srticles passed out prior for review are very sketchy...
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Honorary Yooper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:41pm |
re: #474 debutaunt
My lying eyes - 1
Cognitos lying MSM promotion - 0
I believe the score last night was...
Stinky Beaumont - 1
Cognito - 0
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:43pm |
re: #460 MandyManners
Those weren't gaffes. He meant to say them.
They weren't gaffes, in his world it's perfectly acceptable to insult Nancy Reagan and betray the trust of the president if he's a Republican.
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:52pm |
re: #464 mama winger
Well I have to take a nap so that later tonight I can go see impossibly tiny gymnasts balance on impossibly tiny gymnast things.
see ya's
I am so jealous Mama..have a wonderful time..
BTW..they ARE highly tuned athletes!
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rightside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:57pm |
re: #268 MandyManners
She's got Sarah Palin eyes!
Had to wait til I got home to watch that one. Blocked at work, thanks!
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CharlieBravo Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:25:58pm |
re: #308 Charles
If a parent wants to stunt his/her child's critical thinking by teaching them to distrust science and believe in falsehoods like creationism, that's their right, of course.
But the theory of evolution is a well-established scientific fact, and not teaching it in science classes is a ridiculous idea. Without evolution, modern biological science makes no sense.
Some of the confusion may come from insisting a theory is a fact. People on both sides of the issue tend to do this. There are plenty of parochial schools for those wanting religion combined with science. Public schools should stick with current scientific theory. I don't see the problem, maybe I just like to keep things simple.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:09pm |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:15pm |
re: #499 capitalist piglet
Three trees,
youyew say?! Well, that's different!
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gmsc Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:20pm |
re: #480 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Is that what happens when there's a line at the bathroom door?
... Minding your pees in queues?
...and then there was Reverend C.W. Spooner, who minded his keys and pews.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:35pm |
re: #490 quickjustice
I heard Dr. Paul Offitt speak a few weeks ago. He's a physician, scholar, and author who can debunk anti-vaccination hysteria in ten minutes flat. Most important, multiple scientific studies demonstrate that mercury in vaccines does NOT cause autism. Yet parents are abandoning vaccination for their children in droves because of the hysteria. And un-vaccinated children are dying in growing numbers of preventable diseases. It's obscene.
I highly recommend Offitt's writings on this issue.
I recall a while back before he was tossed off the radio originally, Don Imus and his wife were big in Mercury leading to autism... Not sure if they still are...
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:46pm |
re: #499 capitalist piglet
I love what Gore said in "Earth in the Balance":
"The Pacific yew can be cut down and processed to produce a potent chemical, taxol, which offers some promise of curing certain forms of lung, breast, and ovarian cancer in patients who would otherwise quickly die. It seems an easy choice -- sacrifice the tree for a human life -- until one learns that three trees must be destroyed for each patient treated, that only specimens more than a hundred years old contain the potent chemical in their bark, and that there are very few of these yews remaining on earth."
Three trees, you say?! Well, that's different!
Please tell me you made that paragraph up. I'm begging you.
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opnion Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:47pm |
re: #478 freedombilly
But I read in Rolling Stone a quote by Al Gore (are you sitting down?) a couple of months ago that "all debate within the scientific community was basically over" on global warming.
The question is what is more amazing: Gore slinging this BS or that I actually grabbed a Rolling Stone off a newsstand and read it for five minutes that I will never get back.
Hey Cheryl Crowe & Laurie David said that the debate is over.
One does not get more intellectual than those two.
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looking closely Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:53pm |
re: #61 Charles
Namely: Huckabee, Pawlenty, Jindal, Santorum. All creationists.
Fox may well be playing to ITS constituency there.
Who are the prominent NON-creationist Republicans?
Schwartzenegger?
I think the guys most interested in actual GOVERNANCE (ie instead of self-promotion) don't spend a lot of time on the tube.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:54pm |
re: #501 guitarguy
re: Jenny McCarthy/Autism/Anti-vaccine, etc.
[Link: www.childrenofthenewearth.com...]
[Link: www.babble.com...]
I wish she would go back to posing on the toilet in her underwear. . .it is like taking work ethic advice from Paris Hilton. . .
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:26:55pm |
Does a 2 X 4 with the 10 Commandment written on them constitute a "Jesus Stick."
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:27:28pm |
re: #494 Steve
There is nothing in Genesis that states how long or shoet a day was.
The word in Genesis is "yowm" taken in context and in comparison to other places in scripture, yowm is most commonly used to indicate a undefined period of time. A close analog in English would be; in my grandfather's day. Not a literal day.
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gmsc Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:27:44pm |
re: #486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Isn't it odd that we need 5 letters (queue) to spell 1 letter (Q)?
When you spread out the letters of the alphabet, I think it's better for everybody.
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TooDamNice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:27:57pm |
re: #56 Charles
Almost every Republican currently being promoted by Fox News is a creationist.
Just a quick question Charles... how do you believe the universe came to be?
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:27:58pm |
re: #504 Charles
Nope you right, but neither should it be gospel. And it certainly should not be implemented to the determent of every thing else, like the economy!
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capitalist piglet Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:04pm |
re: #515 freedombilly
I love what Gore said in "Earth in the Balance":
"The Pacific yew can be cut down and processed to produce a potent chemical, taxol, which offers some promise of curing certain forms of lung, breast, and ovarian cancer in patients who would otherwise quickly die. It seems an easy choice -- sacrifice the tree for a human life -- until one learns that three trees must be destroyed for each patient treated, that only specimens more than a hundred years old contain the potent chemical in their bark, and that there are very few of these yews remaining on earth."
Please tell me you made that paragraph up. I'm begging you.
I'm sorry.
(I actually bought the book back in 2000, just to double-check that he really wrote this.)
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:05pm |
re: #516 opnion
Hey Cheryl Crowe & Laurie David said that the debate is over.
One does not get more intellectual than those two.
Oh yeah. Cheryl Crowe's stand on toilet paper use was particularly disturbing.
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Yashmak Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:23pm |
re: #371 JCM
A sign of things to come?
California Musical Theatre director steps down
Exercise your 1st Amendment rights, lose your job. Make no mistake Eckern was forced out for supporting Prop 8.
That's simply untrue. I actually KNOW the guy. He decided to resign on his own. He was not pressured to do so, although I'm sure that avoiding potential harrassment did figure into his decision making process.
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jaunte Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:24pm |
Alternate sources of taxol:
"Dr. Mitscher and his colleague Rao Gollapudi found usable quantities of taxol in the leaves of Taxus baccata, a plant that grows in the Himalayas. And stripping leaves, rather than bark, does not kill the tree."
[Link: query.nytimes.com...]
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:32pm |
re: #511 pre-Boomer Marine brat
*un-manly blush*
*grin* ... TAKE THAT, joncelli!
Oh! Mandy! Can I borrow that stick?
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opnion Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:34pm |
re: #488 Bobibutu
Here .. I posted this yesterday.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Earth would be heading to a freeze without CO2 emissions
Ok, but they still say that we are guilty. Can't win!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:36pm |
re: #513 gmsc
...and then there was Reverend C.W. Spooner, who minded his keys and pews.
The Lord is a shoving leopard
LOL!
Thanks!
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:28:49pm |
re: #499 capitalist piglet
Well, you have to have priorities, and Old Growth Forest comes up on top every time when compared to one measly human life. After all, the death of one person is a tragedy. The deaths of millions? Just a statistic.
[/absolutely no sarc]
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kayawanee Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:29:10pm |
re: #272 Charles
This statement, by the way, is completely false. There is nothing "un-Christian" about the theory of evolution. Maybe you've missed the many posts I've put up about the Vatican's statements on the matter? The only Christians who believe that kind of nonsense are extremists.
While I agree with you in general principle, Charles, I've had discussions with various Evangelicals over the years who disagree with that. And their reasoning is not totally irrational. For many of them, the idea of evolution itself is not at odds with their beliefs, its what Darwin believed were driving evolution with which they have a problem.
Their reasoning goes like this. If Random Mutation and Natural Selection are what's driving evolution, then all of life is an accident. And in fact that is exactly what most evolutionary scientists argue. This is what the very influential, evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould taught and wrote about prior to his passing.
What evangelicals argue is, that when the existience of life (both intelligent and non-intelligent) is reduced to an accident, there can be no room for a living, loving, God, as preached in the Bible. Furthermore, if intelligent life is merely a chance event, then anyone who believe that a supreme being created evolution with the ultimate aim of creating intelligent life, must be wrong.
Essentially, there is no room left for any kind of God that has foreknowlege of the intelligent life that his creation will bring, because it's all an accident. Maybe he can be a natural force, but nothing more. So, God cannot be forgiving, loving, merciful, or omnecient. And in the eyes of many Christians, dumping a god that engenders those qualities is very un-Christian.
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:29:10pm |
re: #516 opnion
Hey Cheryl Crowe & Laurie David said that the debate is over.
One does not get more intellectual than those two.
Sheryl Crowe said that we could save the world by only using ONE SHEET of toilet paper each time. She is truly a visionary.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:29:25pm |
re: #490 quickjustice
I highly recommend Offitt's writings on this issue.
Done, I'm interested in this. It's a classic case of Post hoc, ergo procter hoc argument. "My kid developed autism when he was about 2-4 yrs. old and he also got vaccines when he was 2-4 yrs. old!"
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:29:28pm |
re: #497 subsailor68
Yep! Good point.
discussing how long or short a day was/is is a moot point, a red herring, and has absolutly nothing to do with belief.
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Kenneth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:29:34pm |
re: #478 freedombilly
Any intellectual endeavor in which "all debate has ceased" is not scientific, it's dogma.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:29:38pm |
re: #338 mama winger
Thank you for that . Not that I have any plans of going anywhere at all - you guys are stuck with me for life LOL :)
I think litmus tests for any issue is a bad idea. We need to find common ground on the essentials, and be charitable in the non-essentials.
There will always be litmus tests.
Why did everyone on this board cringe when Obama was declared our next president?
Because he doesn't pass our litmus tests.
* He hasn't had any fricking experience
* He has had associations with members of a terrorist group
* He has had a pastor for 20 years who espouses the evilness of the country Obama will be leading
* His ideas are very socialistic
When we vote for a person, we really should vote for the one who holds dear what we hold dear. Not that all people do vote that way.
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Willfully Right Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:06pm |
Right up front I admit that I am a very infrequent poster but I am a voracious lurker and come here several times a day. The site is very informative and very enlightening. I appreciate Mama Winger's point of view as very similar to mine. I don't want my religious views taught in school. Let's agree that people of faith will most likely believe in creationism, right to life and other social issues, but we are also staunch fiscal conservatives. We also believe in a strong defense. It should not be a threat to you or annoy you. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're fighting the same fight.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:11pm |
re: #510 CharlieBravo
Some of the confusion may come from insisting a theory is a fact. People on both sides of the issue tend to do this. There are plenty of parochial schools for those wanting religion combined with science. Public schools should stick with current scientific theory. I don't see the problem, maybe I just like to keep things simple.
A "scientific fact" means that it's a theory supported by overwhelming amounts of evidence.
Scientists most often use the word "fact" to describe an observation. But scientists can also use fact to mean something that has been tested or observed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing or looking for examples. The occurrence of evolution in this sense is fact. Scientists no longer question whether descent with modification occurred because the evidence is so strong.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:12pm |
re: #535 Spenser (with an S)
Done, I'm interested in this. It's a classic case of Post hoc, ergo procter hoc argument. "My kid developed autism when he was about 2-4 yrs. old and he also got vaccines when he was 2-4 yrs. old!"
You should tell them they are full of shit- the "demon vaccine" is the MMR, and kids get it at 15 months. . .
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:17pm |
re: #494 Steve
There is nothing in Genesis that states how long or shoet a day was.
and yet..every other reference in the bible for a day means a day.
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:26pm |
re: #499 capitalist piglet
and that there are very few of these yews remaining on earth."
Last I checked, one can take one tree, and using this thing called seeds make many many trees.
If the bloody thing cures cancer, anyone with acreage to spare volunteer to grow a few thousands seedlings? We may run out of 100-yr-old trees for a bit, but the market for this would guarantee that many more would be planted than just occurs in nature, and 100 years from now, we'd have a great supply.
And if that market had been allowed to begin when the chemical property was first discovered, maybe 30-40 years ago, we'd be a third of the way there already.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:45pm |
re: #310 mama winger
Do you feel that I am dragging the Party down? I mean this as a serious question, not as snark. I am honestly trying to figure this thing out.
I don't mean to butt in here, but I had the same question. It seems as if those who would kick social conservatives out of the Republican party are doing exactly what they claim social conservatives are are doing.....trying to take control of the party.
I'd rather we focus on areas of agreement, which are far more numerous than areas of disagreement.
I believe that the problem with the party is that it's not as conservative as it needs to be.....by either definition.
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jaunte Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:30:49pm |
Taxol from fungus:
"Lia LaBrant, who graduated this spring from Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., extracted paclitaxel, commonly known as Taxol from a tree fungus while on advanced biology placement at the University of Portland.
...
If LaBrant's findings hold true--an independent laboratory has yet to confirm the results--she may have discovered a plentiful and inexpensive way to produce Taxol, which was originally harvested in small amounts from the bark of the Pacific Yew tree. When collected that way, treating just one patient meant destroying six trees, so for more than 10 years researchers have been looking for alternative sources.Currently commercial producers synthesize the drug from a related chemical in the needles of the European Yew. Since 1994 researchers have been able to synthesize Taxol artificially, but the process, which involves 40 steps, has yet to prove commercially viable. LaBrant's fungus could offer a simpler alternative, since it appears to produce far more Taxol than the amount available in the Yew tree.
[Link: www.womensenews.org...]
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:31:07pm |
re: #506 Honorary Yooper
I believe the score last night was...
Stinky Beaumont - 1
Cognito - 0
Excellent! He was lousy at making his point, expecially for one who was supposed to be a writer.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:31:36pm |
re: #526 Yashmak
That's simply untrue. I actually KNOW the guy. He decided to resign on his own. He was not pressured to do so, although I'm sure that avoiding potential harrassment did figure into his decision making process.
That certainly isn't the impression I get from a number of articles. Threatened boycotts, emergency meeting of the board that was canceled when he resigned.
I'll take your word on it.
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:31:37pm |
re: #520 JCM
The word in Genesis is "yowm" taken in context and in comparison to other places in scripture, yowm is most commonly used to indicate a undefined period of time. A close analog in English would be; in my grandfather's day. Not a literal day.
The exact point I am makiing. Thank you for the extra knowledge. I appriciate it.
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opnion Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:32:12pm |
re: #525 subsailor68
Oh yeah. Cheryl Crowe's stand on toilet paper use was particularly disturbing.
But she does like a good beer buzz in the morning.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:32:31pm |
re: #538 Eowyn2
There will always be litmus tests.
Why did everyone on this board cringe when Obama was declared our next president?Because he doesn't pass our litmus tests.
* He hasn't had any fricking experience
* He has had associations with members of a terrorist group
* He has had a pastor for 20 years who espouses the evilness of the country Obama will be leading
* His ideas are very socialisticWhen we vote for a person, we really should vote for the one who holds dear what we hold dear. Not that all people do vote that way.
There was not test- the test was racist, and all that mattered was making a "statement" at a time where this country needed a strong guide, not a propped up feel good choice.
I am not sure what is worse, the loss of that illusion I had about my party before this "election" or the consequences of this "statement"
spit
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Steve Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:32:34pm |
re: #542 HoosierHoops
and yet..every other reference in the bible for a day means a day.
Different then the creation account.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:32:38pm |
re: #546 debutaunt
Excellent! He was lousy at making his point, expecially for one who was supposed to be a writer.
Well, I think it was someone here at LGF who made the point that kids can get a degree in English Lit and never have to have read Shakespeare. (Maybe Cognito's one of those?)
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:33:22pm |
re: #523 Nevergiveup
Right. Take it into account, mitigate it where feasible economically, but don't let it be used as an excuse for a vast bureaucracy to take over the economy.
(I once saw a news talk program on which an environmentalist proposed a Marshall Plan style program for directing the economy in a way that would diminish global warming. He didn't say whether they would give it back when the warming was gone.)
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:33:48pm |
re: #551 opnion
But she does like a good beer buzz in the morning.
Heh, heh. Just be sure you get to the bathroom before she does.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:34:19pm |
re: #557 subsailor68
Heh, heh. Just be sure you get to the bathroom before she does.
No doubt. . .TMI and ewwwwwwwwww
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:34:33pm |
re: #545 jaunte
When collected that way, treating just one patient meant destroying six trees, so for more than 10 years researchers have been looking for alternative sources.
And barring that, I hope they are ALSO looking into increasing the original source. Plant more of those trees. Mankind can interfere and cause more baby yews to come into being that would ever occur naturally.
Or do you see a shortage of chickens?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:34:53pm |
re: #415 DisturbedEma
Just thinking-
Would John Lennon have a fatwa issued for the song "Imagine"
No religion, no heaven, no hell. . .no Allah/Hashem/Jesus
just wondering. . .
would Cat Stevens issue the fatwa?
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:35:06pm |
re: #532 kayawanee
I'm familiar with those arguments, but that only serves to make my point; belief in creationism is a denial of objective reality, and only extremists do that. The Catholic Church is arguably the biggest and most influential branch of Christianity in the world, and they do not subscribe to that extremist view.
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:35:07pm |
re: #431 Max Darkside
Ya, well, she's tanking again... Long Live King Volatile!
Barring a catastrophe in the last 20 minutes, today's a good day.
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WriterMom Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:35:12pm |
re: #518 DisturbedEma
I wish she would help herself to a SUPERSIZED CUP OF STFU.
She is crazy and doing a real disservice to kids with autism and peddling her sh*t for brains junk science to other parents who potentially might not vaccinate their kids because of her.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:36:14pm |
re: #560 Eowyn2
would Cat Stevens issue the fatwa?
If Cat Stevens gave a concert in the forest, and nobody came, would he still suck?
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lostlakehiker Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:36:20pm |
re: #488 Bobibutu
Here .. I posted this yesterday.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Earth would be heading to a freeze without CO2 emissions
We don't know that. But it seems likely that man's impact on the climate has delayed the next ice age. Fine. How much of a safety margin is enough? It's not the industrial revolution that staved off the now-overdue ice age. We were overdue already by the time of the Renaissance.
Our farming has altered the earth's albedo significantly, and rice farming and cattle ranching both increase methane emissions. The CO2 from the industrial revolution is icing on that cake. Supposing we need some extra CO2 to be safe from global cooling, how much extra is enough? Will double the preindustrial level do it? We're closing in on that. Or do we need more?
Mountain glaciers are in retreat across the globe, with rare exceptions. Summer comes sooner, winter comes later. Animals migrate accordingly. Plant ranges are shifting toward the poles or uphill. Species with no place to go are dying out. There is a LOT of evidence of global warming. This is robust evidence. The retreat of a glacier is not subject to finicky and delicate questions of just how to measure it. The break up of ice on a lake that has been watched for 1000 years is another datum in a long series. When it consistently breaks up earlier nowadays than it always used to, that has to say something.
It isn't drinking the Koolaid to think that maybe we don't need more. Just maybe, we have enough and then some already. Just maybe, the world can get hotter than we'd like because of that extra CO2.
Since military and economic security require that we become less dependent on oil anyhow, we can buy insurance against global warming en passant when we build nuclear, wind, or solar energy capacity.
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lawhawk Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:36:40pm |
re: #504 Charles
Global warming has taken on religious overtones - in that you have true believers and then you have excommunications. Gore is the top preacher, and he's more like one of those roadside attractions who preaches hail and brimstone all while racking in the dollars from the dupes who believe him.
The science suggests that there are multiple causes for the changes in climate data; and those who think that COx is the primary cause ought to get out and look up at the sky once in a while - that big burning orb of gas is the prime mover and shaker of global climate.
You've got a whole bunch of people invested in the notion that COx is the prime cause of global warming, even though it is most likely a lagging indicator of warming. Water vapor and other items may have a larger effect. But you can't tax water vapor the same way you can tax COx.
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:37:01pm |
re: #544 eschew_obfuscation
I DO NOT favor kicking out evangelicals; I DO favor a party in which an emphasis is placed on issues that many other Americans share with evangelicals, such as fiscal restraint and a strong defense.
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samhein Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:37:14pm |
re: #34 capitalist piglet
Hey, a pig named "Lassie" - that would be cool!
For over 12 years I had a pig named "Dixie". What a little rip! Loved beer (that she would get from my dad and a neighbor), mom's split pea soup, grandma's chicken soup carrots and riding in the car. But growing up, I had a collie that was a Lassie direct descendant. He was from one of the litters. Does that count? (Even though his name was "Caesar".)
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HoosierHoops Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:37:24pm |
re: #553 Steve
Different then the creation account.
yea.. i read what JCM wrote after I replied.. Figures somebody knows Hebrew..JCM! you're stifling debate!
/LOL
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:37:29pm |
re: #504 Charles
No, but the theory that it is caused by humans is a stretch at best. There is also evidence of climate change on Mars and Jupiter. I will submit it as a given that that climate change has nothing to do with humans.
Likewise, the climate on Earth is not now, nor has it ever been a constant. It is changing, it is always changing. It was changing before the Industrial Revolution, so it is no real surprise that it is changing after the Industrial Revolution.
finally, you have to look at the character of the people making the argument about Global Warming. Al Gore made himself rich peddling pure bunk. If you look at his lifestyle, you can tell he doesn't believe the horse shit he's slinging. The same is true for the vast majority of the "Gulfstream" Liberals in their private jets. They want you and I to change our behavior, accept a lower standard of living in the name of something that they can't be bothered to be inconvenienced with. Are all of them consciously lying? I don't know.
All I can do is look at their behavior and say that if they really believe what they are saying, they sure don't live up to their expectations for the rest of us.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:38:06pm |
re: #544 eschew_obfuscation
I don't mean to butt in here, but I had the same question. It seems as if those who would kick social conservatives out of the Republican party are doing exactly what they claim social conservatives are are doing.....trying to take control of the party.
I'd rather we focus on areas of agreement, which are far more numerous than areas of disagreement.
I believe that the problem with the party is that it's not as conservative as it needs to be.....by either definition.
Well, as a refugee from the other side- I know first hand what it feels like to leave, and be smited from the party.
So- instead of questioning whether or not I was "right" about my political views, I went in search of a place to actually discuss things like this, I went with the assumption that I had only to just find my place, that it was the party's fault, not any flaw of mine. . .
I have questioned this a lot- what if I am wrong, why can I NOT see the dear leader the way others do. . .and I realize I value free choice more than democratic party affliation. . .and I am cool with voting my ideals, values, and issue points, even if they are against the party.
Do republicans do that? Did they last week?
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:38:11pm |
re: #567 JCM
One can only hope for that change of status...
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Max Darkside Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:38:16pm |
re: #562 DeafDog
Barring a catastrophe in the last 20 minutes, today's a good day.
Heh.. Look at 'er go straight up. I hear that the fed or treasury guy said that they gave up on buying toxic debt *yesterday* and buying stock in banks, then *today* said they gave up on that and perhaps should bail out the consumer. I'm not paying attention... workin' (or supposed to be).
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:38:46pm |
re: #475 Lincolntf
I think any economics teacher who preaches that Socialism is a workable model is worse than any of the Creationists. If you're "wrong" about God or evolution, you still get to live in a free, prosperous country. If you're wrong about Socialism you end up impoverished, imprisoned or dead.
YES!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:38:59pm |
re: #560 Eowyn2
would Cat Stevens issue the fatwa?
I thought he did- after he was denied entry for his "friendships" should be green light for him now. . .considering the dear leader. . .
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:39:01pm |
re: #571 Iron Fist
Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed
Liars--Al Gore, the United Nations, the New York Times. The global warming lobby, relentless in its push for bigger government, more spending, and more regulation, will use any means necessary to scare you out of your wits--as well as your tax dollars and your liberties--with threats of rising oceans, deadly droughts, and unspeakable future consequences of "climate change." In pursuing their anti-energy, anti-capitalist, and pro-government agenda, the global warming alarmists--and unscrupulous scientists who see this scare as their gravy train to federal grants and foundation money--resort to dirty tricks, smear campaigns, and outright lies, abandoning scientific standards, journalistic integrity, and the old-fashioned notions of free speech and open debate. In Red Hot Lies, bestselling author Christopher Horner--himself the target of Greenpeace dirty tricks and alarmist smears--exposes the dark underbelly of the environmental movement. Power-hungry politicians blacklist scientists who reject global warming alarmism. U.S. senators threaten companies that fund climate change dissenters. Mainstream media outlets openly reject the notion of "balance." The occasional unguarded scientist candidly admits the need to twist the facts to paint an uglier picture in order to keep the faucet of government money flowing. In the name of "saving the planet," anything goes. But why the nasty tactics? Why the cover ups, lies, and intimidation? Because Al Gore and his ilk want to use big government at the local, state, federal, and global level to run your life, and they can brook no opposition. But the actual facts, as Red Hot Lies makes clear, aren't nearly as scary as their fiction.
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Empire1 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:39:16pm |
re: #305 rawmuse
My model for the correct brand of Republicanism predates Reagan.
I am in the Barry Goldwater model.
Makes two of us. My first presidential vote, in fact, was for Goldwater.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:39:32pm |
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Bobibutu Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:39:36pm |
re: #529 opnion
Ok, but they still say that we are guilty. Can't win!
Yeah - and we can take comfort that:
"Earth has experienced long periods of extreme cold over the billions of years of its history.
The big freezes are interspersed with "interglacial" periods of relative warmth, of the kind we have experienced since the end of the last Ice Age, around 11,000 years ago.
These climate swings have natural causes, believed to be rooted particularly in changes in Earth's orbit and axis that, while minute, have a powerful effect on how much solar heat falls on the planet."
In other words the temp of the planet is always changing and the changes are - according to empirical evidence - abrupt.
How much or how little humans influence those shifts is as about as significant as a flea biting an elephants ass IMNSHO and minimal understanding of cosmology.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:40:04pm |
re: #504 Charles
A year ago, here in NYC, I heard a debate between two climate scientists, one from SUNY (pro-global warming), and other, MIT (anti-global warming). Both men were respectful of each other, and conceded much of the data. I took three points away from the debate:
1. Because most of the surface of the earth is fluid, finding the right data for computer modeling on this subject is extremely complex. Most of the "warming" is happening at the poles, not in the temperate zones. Although human activity over the past five hundred years may have contributed to some of it, it's not clear that human activity actually has caused most of it.
2. Even if warming is occurring, and even if all of it is human-caused, it would take the complete absence of humans from the planet for forty (40) years to get a drop in temperature of 1 degree C. Assuming that we don't commit mass suicide, the time frame stretches to 100 years. Given the drastic curtailment of living standards required to accomplish this goal, there's a fair question about whether any of the current concern justifies drastic action of any sort.
3. The probability that the worst case scenarios (Al Gore hysteria) will occur is a tiny percentage as contrasted with other, most likely and more positive outcomes.
At a different lecture, a Scandanavian economist argued, based upon cost/benefit analysis, that our resources are better spent on pressing global issues other than global warming, such as elimination of malaria in Africa. His point was that there are many critical issues far more within our ability to control than global warming, and at a much cheaper cost.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:40:08pm |
re: #579 pre-Boomer Marine brat
How did he remember where the Chamber was, in order to do it?
Present. . .um, er. . .
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:40:57pm |
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:41:09pm |
re: #514 tfc3rid
If one child has died because Don Imus is an idiot, its blood is on his hands, and I fervently wish him in hell.
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redstateredneck Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:42:04pm |
re: #539 Willfully Right
Right up front I admit that I am a very infrequent poster but I am a voracious lurker and come here several times a day. The site is very informative and very enlightening. I appreciate Mama Winger's point of view as very similar to mine. I don't want my religious views taught in school. Let's agree that people of faith will most likely believe in creationism, right to life and other social issues, but we are also staunch fiscal conservatives. We also believe in a strong defense. It should not be a threat to you or annoy you. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're fighting the same fight.
You should lurk less and post more.
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CharlieBravo Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:42:05pm |
re: #540 Charles
Yes, quite so. However some see the hand of their particular god(s) in evolution. *sigh* Is this going to be a litmus test and exclude candidates that are otherwise sincerely conservative?
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:42:21pm |
re: #579 pre-Boomer Marine brat
How did he remember where the Chamber was, in order to do it?
He's Omniscient...
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Ojoe Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:42:47pm |
re: #580 Bobibutu
I hope that by our intelligent addition of long fossilized carbon back to the biosphere, we really do stave off the next ice age.
Life requires liquid water.
A glacier is a desert.
L'Chaim !
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:43:26pm |
re: #475 Lincolntf
I think any economics teacher who preaches that Socialism is a workable model is worse than any of the Creationists. If you're "wrong" about God or evolution, you still get to live in a free, prosperous country. If you're wrong about Socialism you end up impoverished, imprisoned or dead.
It should be pretty obvious that I'm no fan of socialism or Marxism, but there IS a very serious problem with beliefs like creationism, especially when they're forced on children and science is denigrated. The United States's lead in science and technology is on a radical decline, by every measure, and part of the reason for this is that far too many people reject science in favor of irrational beliefs like creationism. Groups like the Discovery Institute are working behind the scenes in many states to promote this kind of pseudo-science, and it's harming us all.
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turn Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:43:32pm |
Wow, what plunge? The DOW is up 392 at the minute. Maybe that earlier plunge triggered buy orders or something. I'm still so hosed ..
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:43:49pm |
Switzerland: Israel breaking int'l law by razing Palestinian homes
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Arab destruction of Jewish homes, synagogues, and other structures in the old city after 1948 don't seem to matter? When asked to comment Switzerland said: Were is the old city?
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:43:55pm |
re: #585 quickjustice
If one child has died because Don Imus is an idiot, its blood is on his hands, and I fervently wish him in hell.
I don't have the figures at hand, but my first pass look at the vaccine controversy when it broke was an easy decision. The medical of risks of the diseases from not taking vaccines far out weighed the risk, if real, of taking the vaccine.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:44:02pm |
Much emphasis is placed on the threat posed by proponents of forcing Christian religious instruction and prayers down the throats of non-Christian students, and rightly so. The individual rights of the non-Christian student are clearly violated and the Courts have ruled accordingly.
So then why do so many GOP leaders self-identify as creationists, when one would have thought that the issue was no longer relevant?
I found it very interesting that the phrase "In God We Trust" did not become the official U.S. Motto until 1958 and that the phrase "Under God" was not officially added to the pledge of allegiance, until 1954.
And at least since then I doubt that any prominent US politician has dared to end a speech without uttering the phrase "God Bless America" or words to that effect.
I think the answer lies in the fact that vast numbers of Americans are of the view that the United States of America has been, is and ought to be a religiously-based nation, notwithstanding the Constitution, and notwithstanding the SCOTUS.
That bing the case, teaching creationism to the children in public school is only natural, isn't it?/
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Ojoe Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:45:12pm |
re: #595 buzzsawmonkey
Requiring flat beer will not go over well with Joe six-pack.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:45:29pm |
re: #585 quickjustice
If one child has died because Don Imus is an idiot, its blood is on his hands, and I fervently wish him in hell.
Go to the CDC website and look for the pockets of disease- Measles, Whooping Cough, German Measles, mumps
Western European countries like Sweden, Scandanavia. . .these disease are coming back by parent CHOOSING to not protect their children. . .because they fear them being like my son- idiots!
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Bobibutu Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:45:52pm |
re: #565 lostlakehiker
It sounds like your model has a near constant temp for the planet. Never has been - never will be in the future.
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WriterMom Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:01pm |
re: #595 buzzsawmonkey
they'd be crushed like bugs
LOL
If they would just shut up, there would be much less Co2 in the air...
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:04pm |
re: #554 subsailor68
Well, I think it was someone here at LGF who made the point that kids can get a degree in English Lit and never have to have read Shakespeare. (Maybe Cognito's one of those?)
The Columbia School of Obtuseness
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freedombilly Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:07pm |
re: #595 buzzsawmonkey
If carbon dioxide is the cause of global warming, why haven't the global warming cultists taken on the Coca-Cola Company and other soft-drink producers, who depend upon producing CO2 to make their products, and whose products emit CO2 into the atmosphere every time someone leaves a glass of soda on the end table?
Because they'd be crushed like bugs if they tried.
In the meantime, they'll get my seltzer from me when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Al Gore will try to outlaw all soft drinks and then will have a full time soda jerk in his private jet.
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zturlte Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:08pm |
Hey Zombie think Paglia been reading your blog on Ayers?!
She has got to be the only liberal I can read and enjoy even though I don't agree on some of what she says.
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Athos Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:19pm |
re: #504 Charles
We do know that excessive air and water pollution is bad for the environment and almost all life that exists within that specific environment. For this reason, if none other, we should take reasonable efforts to limit and control air and water pollution. This should be considered, until there is documented proof of direct interaction (as opposed to a cyclical / sunspot link) towards global warming, independently from global warming.
What taints the global warming movement is the specific link and intent of the hard core global warming fearmongers towards a political agenda and solution.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:26pm |
re: #402 Iron Fist
Global Warmism as God is a much more prevalent threat to freedom than Creationism of whatever stripe. It is taught as the infallible one word of truth, and to question it is to risk ridicule and poor grades at the very least.
And while they may say the science is "settled" the truth is that it is far from settled. I came across something in the last few days that said a new theory was startin gto make the rounds that we would be headed into a million year Ice Age without Global Warming.
I shit you not.
Hell, these "scientists" can't reliably predict the weather next week, but the want me to believe that they can predict the weather 50 years from now. Snake oil salesmen without the respectible reputation of snake oil.
But they want to wreck the economy in the name of their cult. And Barry Hussein is going to be there to help them, at least rhetorically. It'll be interesting to see if he tries to revive the Kyoto Treaty.
Boy, you sure got that right! Talk about teaching religion in science class.....I guess it just depends on which religion we're talking about.
(and no, I don't support teaching religion in science class)
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:33pm |
re: #596 Ojoe
Requiring flat beer will not go over well with Joe six-pack.
Other dangerous repercussions of require "flatness" in the beer industry.
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Yashmak Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:46:33pm |
re: #547 JCM
That certainly isn't the impression I get from a number of articles. Threatened boycotts, emergency meeting of the board that was canceled when he resigned.
I'll take your word on it.
Anecdotal I know, but a mutual friend of ours said that according to him, the board didn't call that meeting to talk about ousting him, but rather to discuss what (if any) impact the threatened boycott would have on the theatre company. In fact, he's been talking about retiring for several years anyway. He wasn't forced out.
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jaunte Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:47:05pm |
re: #559 Silhouette
And barring that, I hope they are ALSO looking into increasing the original source. Plant more of those trees. Mankind can interfere and cause more baby yews to come into being that would ever occur naturally.
Now that there is an established need, other sources can be found. I don't see a shortage of fungus in the near future!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:47:07pm |
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:47:08pm |
re: #5 Charles
Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.
If god will save us, why do we need Santorum?
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:47:09pm |
re: #562 DeafDog
Barring a catastrophe in the last 20 minutes, today's a good day.
Yeah. Another 40% up and we'll break even...
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:47:33pm |
re: #571 Iron Fist
No, but the theory that it is caused by humans is a stretch at best. There is also evidence of climate change on Mars and Jupiter. I will submit it as a given that that climate change has nothing to do with humans.
Likewise, the climate on Earth is not now, nor has it ever been a constant. It is changing, it is always changing. It was changing before the Industrial Revolution, so it is no real surprise that it is changing after the Industrial Revolution.
finally, you have to look at the character of the people making the argument about Global Warming. Al Gore made himself rich peddling pure bunk. If you look at his lifestyle, you can tell he doesn't believe the horse shit he's slinging. The same is true for the vast majority of the "Gulfstream" Liberals in their private jets. They want you and I to change our behavior, accept a lower standard of living in the name of something that they can't be bothered to be inconvenienced with. Are all of them consciously lying? I don't know.
All I can do is look at their behavior and say that if they really believe what they are saying, they sure don't live up to their expectations for the rest of us.
Lots of good points.
One needs to be added: its the mindset which sees any change in the environment as crisis and potential catastrophe, not as challenge to do something with the technology we have, or to develop something new, and counter the effects of that change.
Thats what the human spirit is about. Otherwise we'd all have become extinct during the ice age.
But today, we have instead moaning, wringing of hands, and the High Priests of that cult preaching water for all of us while they drink wine ...
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wiffersnapper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:47:37pm |
Dang, the DOW plays a mean game of limbo...
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:48:10pm |
re: #564 subsailor68
If Cat Stevens gave a concert in the forest, and nobody came, would he still suck?
are there any endangered species in the forest?
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:48:12pm |
One of the most unscientific things one can say is "the question in closed." It is quite scary to read things like The Weather Channel saying that anyone who questioned GW wasn't welcome. Not disgreed with GW, even questioned.
Scary and the very antithesis of scientific enquiry.
Heck, we even still question what we know of gravity. Look at the LHC rap video where the scientists explain they are trying to figure out if gravity forces are folded into another dimension, which would explain why gravity is so weak.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:48:38pm |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:48:54pm |
re: #610 SFGoth
If god will save us, why do we need Santorum?
Well you are aware that G-D lives outside of College Park?
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:49:39pm |
re: #607 Yashmak
Anecdotal I know, but a mutual friend of ours said that according to him, the board didn't call that meeting to talk about ousting him, but rather to discuss what (if any) impact the threatened boycott would have on the theatre company. In fact, he's been talking about retiring for several years anyway. He wasn't forced out.
That's what I get from reading the MSM......
It's good to hear it wasn't his support of Prop 8.
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:49:40pm |
re: #595 buzzsawmonkey
why haven't the global warming cultists taken on the Coca-Cola Company and other soft-drink producers
Don't worry, when we get "universal" nationalized health care, Coke and Pepsi will be first on the chopping block. Teh Obesity Crisez!11!
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:49:42pm |
re: #527 jaunte
Alternate sources of taxol:
"Dr. Mitscher and his colleague Rao Gollapudi found usable quantities of taxol in the leaves of Taxus baccata, a plant that grows in the Himalayas. And stripping leaves, rather than bark, does not kill the tree."
[Link: query.nytimes.com...]
how we actually get Taxol these days:
Paclitaxel is a natural product with antitumor activity. TAXOL (paclitaxel) is obtained via a semi-synthetic process from Taxus baccata.
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:49:45pm |
re: #35 MandyManners
I wonder what he thinks of Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965).
LOL, somebody should ask him if he's ever gotten a blowjob, or frankly, done it any way other than missionary. However, Charles, I will say that Wikipedia is not an unbiased source on a red meat target like him.
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:50:17pm |
re: #600 WriterMom
They should ought to have to pay a tax for all that precious oxygen that they steal from the rest of us by continuing to breath. Either that or hold their breath from now on. That'd make it harder for them to talk.
As Martha Stewart says "That would be a good thing."
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:50:47pm |
re: #592 Nevergiveup
Switzerland: Israel breaking int'l law by razing Palestinian homes
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Arab destruction of Jewish homes, synagogues, and other structures in the old city after 1948 don't seem to matter? When asked to comment Switzerland said: Were is the old city?
Israel: STFU & give back the gold you stole from Jewish families in WWII.
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Lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:50:47pm |
re: #590 Charles
Where are the public schools teaching Creationism instead of science? I assume it must be in a majority of the schools to have such a dramatic impact. I never saw it in MA, that's for sure.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:50:50pm |
re: #590 Charles
It should be pretty obvious that I'm no fan of socialism or Marxism, but there IS a very serious problem with beliefs like creationism, especially when they're forced on children and science is denigrated. The United States's lead in science and technology is on a radical decline, by every measure, and part of the reason for this is that far too many people reject science in favor of irrational beliefs like creationism. Groups like the Discovery Institute are working behind the scenes in many states to promote this kind of pseudo-science, and it's harming us all.
That's entirely assertion. If you want to be scientific you're going to have to cite evidence. Yes I'm a twit.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:51:25pm |
BBL- I am cleaning out my desk today, since my official duties will be completed before the end of the year, and no new contract, I have decided to honor the letter of the contract in which I am allowed to work from home. . .it actually feels pretty good to know that I will not have to be here a minute longer than the kids need me. . .I will use my classroom rather than my office, and maybe concentrate on my own education! I will miss my kids, but hey, Obama will provide. . .spit
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:51:44pm |
re: #625 Lincolntf
Where are the public schools teaching Creationism instead of science?
It would be interesting to compare this list of schools with the list of schools teaching Global Warmingism instead of science.
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:52:00pm |
re: #590 Charles
May I respectfully suggest that any decline in the US's lead in science is due to a variety of reasons. It's hard for me to believe that creationalism is a main culprit. Although creationalism contributes to sub-par scientific understanding, if the student is properly motivated in other aspects (a strong work ethic and emphasis on math and reading) the student would - perhaps - overcome whatever bad effects that exposing him/her to creationalism might produce.
I'm not arguing in favor of creationalism, I'm just saying that if I had 95% agreement with someone and creationalism was an area we disagreed, then I this is not an issue that would cause me to disassociate with the person.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:52:24pm |
re: #627 DisturbedEma
BBL- I am cleaning out my desk today, since my official duties will be completed before the end of the year, and no new contract, I have decided to honor the letter of the contract in which I am allowed to work from home. . .it actually feels pretty good to know that I will not have to be here a minute longer than the kids need me. . .I will use my classroom rather than my office, and maybe concentrate on my own education! I will miss my kids, but hey, Obama will provide. . .spit
Anything else lined up?
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:52:32pm |
With regard to my twitness...it's a prima facie case.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:52:36pm |
re: #621 redc1c4
how we actually get Taxol these days:
Paclitaxel is a natural product with antitumor activity. TAXOL (paclitaxel) is obtained via a semi-synthetic process from Taxus baccata.
Sounds like one of Obama's half-brothers or something.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:53:01pm |
re: #626 Peacekeeper
That's entirely assertion. If you want to be scientific you're going to have to cite evidence. Yes I'm a twit.
There's nothing controversial about it. The US lead in scientific research and science education has been on a steady decline for years.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:53:06pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:53:16pm |
re: #626 Peacekeeper
I think it only requires a small minority of science nerds to advance science.
The problem is when other large blocks of belief discourage the nerds, something which could happen.
All IMHO of course.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:53:41pm |
re: #629 DeafDog
May I respectfully suggest that any decline in the US's lead in science is due to a variety of reasons. It's hard for me to believe that creationalism is a main culprit. Although creationalism contributes to sub-par scientific understanding, if the student is properly motivated in other aspects (a strong work ethic and emphasis on math and reading) the student would - perhaps - overcome whatever bad effects that exposing him/her to creationalism might produce.
I'm not arguing in favor of creationalism, I'm just saying that if I had 95% agreement with someone and creationalism was an area we disagreed, then I this is not an issue that would cause me to disassociate with the person.
I didn't read Charles as pointed to Creationism as a cause, just it's not helping in regain solid science teaching in the schools.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:01pm |
To the DOW for a moment: Much as I despise Treasury Secretary Paulson as the idiot who did more than anyone to tank the McCain campaign, his announcement that the bailout won't be used to buy bad paper is a good thing. It places the moral hazard exactly where it should be, on the backs of the buyers and sellers of the bad paper.
Once they figure out they won't be bailed out, they'll dump their paper, and the economy will recover much faster. Putting the bailout liquidity into sound commercial banks that make good loans in the future is a much smarter strategy.
The sudden reversal show how far Paulson's head was up his ass when he proposed bailing out his Wall Street cronies at Democrat Goldman Sachs, together with the others.
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Lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:15pm |
It's funny. Looking back at my own posts it almost seems like I'm coming off as a "pro" Creationist. Let me assert flatly and baldly that I am not. I'm a huge fan of Natural History and nearly shed a tear when Stephen Jay Gould died.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:34pm |
re: #624 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Israel: STFU & give back the gold you stole from Jewish families in WWII.
That story is a MUST read for those who still spout the "neutral" myth- I have the one book. . .AMAZING.
Also, all of my adult children have read ALL of David Wyman's work on immigration, FDR, and his interview with "Peter Berger"
if you have not read any Wyman. . .am I spelling that right, looks wrong, I suggest them all. . .two thumbs way up!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:38pm |
Not a day goes by...
Today at "Ayn Rand Shudders" (Shrugging Atlas), we have a new conspiracy to put next to the nirth certifikit scandal:
DID PRESIDENT ELECT HUSSEIN FALSIFY SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION?
As usual not an original post but cribbed verbatim from Debbie Schlussel.
Sigh.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:48pm |
re: #634 Eowyn2
wolves howling
foxes yapping
coyotes barking
No, that was his back-up band.
The little furry animals were weeping because they couldn't work their Glocks. No opposable thumbs. Very sad.
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kayawanee Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:51pm |
re: #561 Charles
I'm familiar with those arguments, but that only serves to make my point; belief in creationism is a denial of objective reality, and only extremists do that. The Catholic Church is arguably the biggest and most influential branch of Christianity in the world, and they do not subscribe to that extremist view.
Well then, I'd like to pose a question to you. I know this may be a personal question, so if you don't wish to answer, I'll understand.
Do you personally believe that the the rise of intelligent life here on Earth (and potentially in the rest of the universe) is purely accidental?
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:54pm |
re: #620 HeatherRadish
Don't worry, when we get "universal" nationalized health care, Coke and Pepsi will be first on the chopping block. Teh Obesity Crisez!11!
Not chopping block. Leftists never ban what they can tax.
Perhaps they'll institute "health damage" taxes. McDonalds is probably in their sights, too.
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:54:58pm |
re: #611 experiencedtraveller
Yeah. Another 40% up and we'll break even...
The journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step - I read that in a fortune cookie.
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vxbush Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:55:00pm |
re: #629 DeafDog
May I respectfully suggest that any decline in the US's lead in science is due to a variety of reasons. It's hard for me to believe that creationalism is a main culprit. Although creationalism contributes to sub-par scientific understanding, if the student is properly motivated in other aspects (a strong work ethic and emphasis on math and reading) the student would - perhaps - overcome whatever bad effects that exposing him/her to creationalism might produce.
I'm not arguing in favor of creationalism, I'm just saying that if I had 95% agreement with someone and creationalism was an area we disagreed, then I this is not an issue that would cause me to disassociate with the person.
I cannot address the decline of science standards in the US, but I can address the declining math ability:
1. Teachers in the lower levels teaching math who hate it.
2. A general cultural bias against liking math.
3. An unwillingness to learn a hard subject (which, for some, math can be).
4. An unwillingness to see that math is a requirement not only for life but for making all the technological objects we love to have.
I know kids who could do math if they wanted to, but they are unwilling to do the hard work.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:55:16pm |
re: #630 JCM
Anything else lined up?
Some nibbles, but nothing concrete yet. . .no worries, I voted as I saw fit, no regrets
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:55:19pm |
Re: #67:
Here's what one of our founders had to say on the subject:
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
James Madison, 1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia
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So you're advocating Judaism as our state religion? I'm ok with that now that I'm old enough to sit through a seder. However, on a serious note, the 10 commandments are hardly controversial. They make perfect sense even to agnostics and atheists (except the sabbath part, though that can be interpreted as a day off for fun). Madison's comment is not a license to adopt Christianity.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:55:34pm |
re: #633 Charles
There's nothing controversial about it. The US lead in scientific research and science education has been on a steady decline for years.
Our lead in every subject taught in schools has been declining for years. Might have more to do with the criminal state of public schools & indoctrination mills, I mean, colleges, than with creationism vs. evolution.
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:56:17pm |
re: #629 DeafDog
May I respectfully suggest that any decline in the US's lead in science is due to a variety of reasons.
That's why I wrote: "part of the reason for this..."
It's hard for me to believe that creationalism is a main culprit.
And I didn't say that, either.
Although creationalism contributes to sub-par scientific understanding, if the student is properly motivated in other aspects (a strong work ethic and emphasis on math and reading) the student would - perhaps - overcome whatever bad effects that exposing him/her to creationalism might produce.
I disagree strongly here. Teaching children to believe in creationism is a sheer disaster for their critical thinking skills, and damages their ability to comprehend all sorts of other scientific disciplines.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:56:24pm |
re: #646 vxbush
I cannot address the decline of science standards in the US, but I can address the declining math ability:
1. Teachers in the lower levels teaching math who hate it.
2. A general cultural bias against liking math.
3. An unwillingness to learn a hard subject (which, for some, math can be).
4. An unwillingness to see that math is a requirement not only for life but for making all the technological objects we love to have.I know kids who could do math if they wanted to, but they are unwilling to do the hard work.
Isn't there a general decline in attention span as well? Math--beyond memorizing multiplication tables--takes attention span.
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satan sidekick Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:56:26pm |
re: #408 Nevergiveup
My business is doing crappy and husband's job is moving to Canada. Who is going to bail me out?
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:56:44pm |
re: #646 vxbush
I cannot address the decline of science standards in the US, but I can address the declining math ability:
1. Teachers in the lower levels teaching math who hate it.
2. A general cultural bias against liking math.
3. An unwillingness to learn a hard subject (which, for some, math can be).
4. An unwillingness to see that math is a requirement not only for life but for making all the technological objects we love to have.I know kids who could do math if they wanted to, but they are unwilling to do the hard work.
I was thinking of the whole "self esteem" culture in schools. We have to teach the "hard" stuff at the lowest denomiator in order not to make some kids get a failing grade in something like math.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:56:46pm |
re: #637 quickjustice
To the DOW for a moment: Much as I despise Treasury Secretary Paulson as the idiot who did more than anyone to tank the McCain campaign, his announcement that the bailout won't be used to buy bad paper is a good thing. It places the moral hazard exactly where it should be, on the backs of the buyers and sellers of the bad paper.
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So the New York Times won't be getting a bailout, then.
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Athos Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:57:53pm |
Organizations attempting to force change on the education system for social or political agenda reasons have damaged our educational system. For every Discovery Institute that is attempting to push something based on faith to be taught as a science, there are other organizations that are seeking to promote various studies of minorities around a political agenda of multiculturalism that go beyond mathematics or real science. We no longer teach civics, philosophy, or critical thinking to any real extent in our schools. History is more based on understanding other cultures or apologizing for Western civilizations rise than it is based on learning from the mistakes of others - and of the successes.
Grades are moderated so feelings do not get hurt when one underachieves or fails to learn the subject matter - and parents far too often do not really care about their kids learning as they are too busy taking care of themselves.
There is very little difference between the press of the Discovery Institute to inflect creationism into science class than the spewings of Ward Churchill or Bill Ayers and their efforts to redefine history to support their political and social agendas.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:57:56pm |
re: #654 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
So the New York Times won't be getting a bailout, then.
And on that note. . .SNAP on that one. . .ding dong the NY Slime is dead. . .
Later my beloved Lizards
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:58:09pm |
re: #651 Moe Katz
Isn't there a general decline in attention span as well? Math--beyond memorizing multiplication tables--takes attention span.
I do not have a short atte... hey! That dog has a puffy tail!
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:58:10pm |
re: #654 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I wish someone would knock another hole in the bottom of their boat, as it were. Scuttle the whole fucking mess.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:58:11pm |
re: #654 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
So the New York Times won't be getting a bailout, then.
Sell it to Conrad Black.
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yma o hyd Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:58:19pm |
Gotta go, Lizards - Miss Dog craves my attention.
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turn Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:58:20pm |
re: #616 Silhouette
Remember that weather channel meteorologist that suggested on her blog that other global warming deniers in her profession should lose their credentials? And this woman calls herself a scientist? Sheesh
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:59:15pm |
re: #636 JCM
I didn't read Charles as pointed to Creationism as a cause, just it's not helping in regain solid science teaching in the schools.
IMO, he's definitly drawing a cause and effect.
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vxbush Thu, Nov 13, 2008 12:59:34pm |
re: #653 JCM
I was thinking of the whole "self esteem" culture in schools. We have to teach the "hard" stuff at the lowest denomiator in order not to make some kids get a failing grade in something like math.
The self-esteem stuff is a crock. To get self-esteem, you have to actually do something, not just think you might be able to do something.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:00:36pm |
re: #504 Charles
One problem is that some are cooking the books. As many above have stated this is being treated as a religion in many corners and being taught as fact, not even theory, in our schools. Al Gore's insistence that the debate is over, while raking in tons of money, stifles scientific inquiry and that can't be good.
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subsailor68 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:00:37pm |
Must go. To all, please have a wonderful evening!
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:00:37pm |
re: #633 Charles
There's nothing controversial about it. The US lead in scientific research and science education has been on a steady decline for years.
I think that Coke/Mentos thing was discovered here.
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:01:00pm |
re: #644 Silhouette
Not chopping block. Leftists never ban what they can tax.
Isn't the purpose of the tax to drive companies out of business, though? I'm thinking of Obama's promise to tax coal producers until they cease operations.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:01:08pm |
re: #650 Charles
Teaching children to believe in creationism is a sheer disaster for their critical thinking skills, and damages their ability to comprehend all sorts of other scientific disciplines.
Yeah yeah, I was gonna nap but ..... :)
Jumping in here to say that this is not necessarily true for all students. My children went to religious schools that taught creationism. My daughter is a Magna Cum Laude graduate of University of Wisconsin- Madison and is currently a lead Nurse Practitioner in an ICU unit at a prestigious Milwaukee hospital, pursuing her doctorate degree. She is also a published author in a couple of Nursing Journals.
I asked her about this evolution controversy and she said in her graduate education, it was never a factor.
Anecdotal, I know. I just wanted to make you aware of exceptions to this statement.
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:01:21pm |
re: #96 wright1
When the GOP wins, Reagan twice, and GWB twice, the agenda of culture of life is advanced. That still appears to be the recipe for victory.
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How did Reagan advance the pro-life cause? He signed CA's abortion rights law in the late '60's. Bush won because he ran against Gore and then Kerry, and almost lost both times. If Bush had run against Clinton in '96 he'd have been embarrassed off the stage. Religious issues are not the recipe for victory - limiting gov't and empowering people is. Bush does/did not believe in those ideas.
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CharlieBravo Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:01:23pm |
re: #628 HeatherRadish
It would be interesting to compare this list of schools with the list of schools teaching Global Warmingism instead of science.
Compare success of parochial with public school graduates ? Has this been done?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:01:27pm |
re: #663 vxbush
The self-esteem stuff is a crock. To get self-esteem, you have to actually do something, not just think you might be able to do something.
So you're saying that I didn't deserve the "Everyone Gets a Trophy Day" award I won in 8th Grade?
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:01:34pm |
re: #663 vxbush
The self-esteem stuff is a crock. To get self-esteem, you have to actually do something, not just think you might be able to do something.
What a scam. Selling the idea that self-esteem doesn't come from within. Clueless.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:02:10pm |
And what about that Mars probe that was programmed in metric system but calibrated for pounds and feet? All US!
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yochanan Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:02:29pm |
re: #205 mama winger
This is my take, for what it's worth, which may be very negligible.
A lot of folks aligned themselves with the Republican Party after 9-11 because we were the party that seemed to 'get it' on national defense. Some came from backgrounds that were Democrat or a-political or even quite liberal. They did not come to the Republicans because of our stance on social issues. They came because we are under attack.
Naturally, no one leaves who they are behind when they join something. You come with your background and your experiences. Many who admired the Republican position on national defense and the military were not so enamored with some of the other positions .
This is why I think we are having these tensions now - you have the folks like my who have been active in the Republican Party for thirty years and are conservative across the spectrum ( the old timers if you will) and people that I call the 'Post 9-11'ers. Some of this latter group seem astonished that when they joined the conservative Party, there were *gasp* strong conservatives already there. :)
We 've been saving you a place and we are glad to have you. But please do not tell us that we ourselves no longer belong. We've been holding down this fort for decades.
That's about it, I guess. Thanks for your time.
THE PARTY THAT HOLDS ALL MY BELIEFS DOESN'T EXIST. I am one of those 9-11 republicans before i was an independent not a democrat
I don't expect the GOP to bend over backwards to accept all of my positions but i would be nice if the listen to them. I am not a liberal but am what you would call a social libertarian but i do like the idea of smaller govt. For one I don't think it is the job of the govt to tell people what to believe. Personally I think the govt should be out of the marriage bus. altogether why should a single worker pay a different % of his/her income than a married worker? I would be a libertarian but i can't stand there foreign and military polices.
I strongly believe in a strong and active national defence and I strongly believe is supporting our allies such as Israel, and others such as Canada, Australia, the u.k. etc
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BBEV Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:03:00pm |
re: #658 Iron Fist
I wish someone would knock another hole in the bottom of their boat, as it were. Scuttle the whole fucking mess.
How true, we are a Capitalist country where the strong move up and the weak fall by the wayside.
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JCM Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:03:35pm |
re: #663 vxbush
The self-esteem stuff is a crock. To get self-esteem, you have to actually do something, not just think you might be able to do something.
Agreed......
Now I'm off to actually do something.....
later all.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:03:51pm |
re: #652 satan sidekick
My business is doing crappy and husband's job is moving to Canada. Who is going to bail me out?
Well unless your a "Union", contributed alot to the Dems, or have enough clout to blackmail the politicians, go to the back of the line with the rest of us and drop dead!
/well kinda sarcastic, but unfortunately true I think.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:03:51pm |
re: #648 SFGoth
Re: #67:
Here's what one of our founders had to say on the subject:“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
James Madison, 1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia
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So you're advocating Judaism as our state religion? I'm ok with that now that I'm old enough to sit through a seder. However, on a serious note, the 10 commandments are hardly controversial. They make perfect sense even to agnostics and atheists (except the sabbath part, though that can be interpreted as a day off for fun). Madison's comment is not a license to adopt Christianity.
No it isn't, but it is an indicator of what the founders were thinking when the constitution was written.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:03:58pm |
re: #633 Charles
There's nothing controversial about it. The US lead in scientific research and science education has been on a steady decline for years.
Agreed... And being a somewhat recent (< 10 yr) college grad in Engineering it's because student say it's 'too hard'...
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:04:17pm |
You don't see no Canadian spaceprobes crashing into other planets.
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:05:06pm |
re: #663 vxbush
The self-esteem stuff is a crock. To get self-esteem, you have to actually do something, not just think you might be able to do something.
what i find amusing, in a dark sort of way, is that from the bumper stickers, everyone's kid is an honor role student and over achiever, yet the test scores come back every time clearly indicating that Johnny is still an illiterate fool.
obviously, the answer is to give them more money to spend.
/white smoke
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vxbush Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:05:11pm |
re: #679 tfc3rid
Agreed... And being a somewhat recent (< 10 yr) college grad in Engineering it's because student say it's 'too hard'...
Why is it hard? Because they didn't get the tools they needed in school.
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under the whip Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:05:33pm |
Dow closes UP 6.71%
[Link: moneycentral.msn.com...]
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:05:43pm |
re: #670 CharlieBravo
I don't know, to be honest. I'm just thinking teaching children that polar bears are sad because their parents don't drive the right car or buy the right lightbulbs affects their critical thinking skills and attitudes toward scientific inquiry and evidence, and not in a pro-science way.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:05:45pm |
re: #680 Peacekeeper
You don't see no Canadian spaceprobes crashing into other planets.
Was that a deliberate double negative - hmmmmmm.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:05:51pm |
re: #679 tfc3rid
Agreed... And being a somewhat recent (< 10 yr) college grad in Engineering it's because student say it's 'too hard'...
Why spend years on math when you can take "Gender roles of the Simpsons" and "Pornography and societal didactics" ?
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:04pm |
re: #414 Charles
Yep, antivaccination kookery is also on the rise. This is a brand of anti-science insanity that crosses party lines. You can find numerous articles promoting it at WeirdNutDrooly and other kook sites on both sides.
I'll have to check that out.
;-)
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shug Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:08pm |
re: #684 under the whip
Dow closes UP 6.71%
[Link: moneycentral.msn.com...]
the markets like it that cognito is out
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Rancher Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:09pm |
re: #680 Peacekeeper
You don't see no Canadian spaceprobes crashing into other planets.
Do you see any Canadian spaceprobes period?
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:26pm |
re: #643 kayawanee
That's a theological question, not a scientific question. And "accidental" is the wrong word. "Random" is a better descriptor.
In response, I'll ask you this: If changes in the environment (such as increases in heat or cold, or in the quantity of certain types of plants consumed as food,) caused certain animals with adaptive abilities to better survive those changes, statistically speaking, over long periods of time than other animals of the same species but without those adaptive abilities, wouldn't that benefit the survivors? And can't you study this without considering theology?
If you don't know the difference between science and theology, you're not qualified to debate these issues.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:39pm |
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Mike in Georgia Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:44pm |
Evolution - Public School
Creation - Sunday School
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:06:47pm |
re: #687 Peacekeeper
Why spend years on math when you can take "Gender roles of the Simpsons" and "Pornography and societal didactics" ?
I got an A in that first one.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:07:08pm |
re: #644 Silhouette
I keep trying to tell my ganja smoking friends that "legalize it" is not a real smart thing for them.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:07:11pm |
re: #680 Peacekeeper
You don't see no Canadian spaceprobes crashing into other planets.
We did have the jet that ran out of fuel at the time we transitioned to metric because it got filled up in liters instead of gallons, as the pilot had calculated. It made a safe dead-stick landing on an old military airfield.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:07:45pm |
re: #691 Rancher
Do you see any Canadian spaceprobes period?
No, we contribute subsystems to US space projects.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:07:56pm |
re: #672 debutaunt
Been reading everyones posts...
Good stuff!
I went to private schools K-12.
One success of private Ed.... is near zero drop out rate,preg...
drugs...violence....indoctrination....
Further ed... college or trade schools ....80-90%
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:07:58pm |
re: #654 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Remember, Paulson's only around until January. Then we get Obama's idiot instead.
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:08:13pm |
re: #683 shug
Dow up 5.6 %
cause and effect with this thread?
one day they're going to "buy on the bounce" and it won;t be a bounce......
/next stop: the basement
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:08:30pm |
re: #700 quickjustice
Remember, Paulson's only around until January. Then we get Obama's idiot instead.
Shoot me. Shoot me now.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:08:47pm |
re: #682 vxbush
Why is it hard? Because they didn't get the tools they needed in school.
Well, a lack of critical thinking skills... That's because basic skills are not taught well any longer.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:01pm |
re: #697 Moe Katz
We did have the jet that ran out of fuel at the time we transitioned to metric because it got filled up in liters instead of gallons, as the pilot had calculated. It made a safe dead-stick landing on an old military airfield.
Reminds me of this: Living on Zionist Time
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:03pm |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:05pm |
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:08pm |
re: #704 tfc3rid
Well, a lack of critical thinking skills... That's because basic skills are not taught well any longer.
I blame Bush.
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Rancher Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:09pm |
re: #698 Moe Katz
Like the Shuttle's arm? That was a good one.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:15pm |
re: #697 Moe Katz
We did have the jet that ran out of fuel at the time we transitioned to metric because it got filled up in liters instead of gallons, as the pilot had calculated. It made a safe dead-stick landing on an old military airfield.
See Charles? Stupidity makes us more stronger.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:40pm |
Dow closes up 552.59.
We're all rich! Break out the double magnums of Cristal, and the SuperSoakers!
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Tigger2005 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:09:52pm |
re: #646 vxbush
I cannot address the decline of science standards in the US, but I can address the declining math ability:
1. Teachers in the lower levels teaching math who hate it.
2. A general cultural bias against liking math.
3. An unwillingness to learn a hard subject (which, for some, math can be).
4. An unwillingness to see that math is a requirement not only for life but for making all the technological objects we love to have.I know kids who could do math if they wanted to, but they are unwilling to do the hard work.
I tried hard to understand math beyond basic algebra, including after-school tutoring, but there was a certain point where my brain just refused to understand anything more.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:02pm |
re: #700 quickjustice
Remember, Paulson's only around until January. Then we get Obama's idiot instead.
Might still be Paulson...
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:12pm |
re: #697 Moe Katz
We did have the jet that ran out of fuel at the time we transitioned to metric because it got filled up in liters instead of gallons, as the pilot had calculated. It made a safe dead-stick landing on an old military airfield.
Isn't jet fuel measured by weight, not volume?
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ErnieG Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:22pm |
re: #696 Bumr50
I keep trying to tell my ganja smoking friends that "legalize it" is not a real smart thing for them.
To paraphrase Dean Wormer, of Faber College: "Fat, stoned, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:27pm |
re: #695 mama winger
It's "new math", so it makes sense in the "new global economy", where some=none, wealth must be redistributed to subjects LEAST likely to do something smart with it, and Al Gore is Chief Scientist of the Universe.
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:40pm |
re: #200 Russkilitlover
Whatever he was, he kept his views private. That's the whole point and why the Republicans will sink into oblivion if they keep promoting creationists, ID, nutters.
There's an anecdote about Reagan - one of his kids (Maureen?) noticed that in Rock Hudson movies, he seemed to be very awkward when kissing women. Dad (Reagan) said, obviously knowing Rock from Hollywood, that he was different. There is no way Reagan could've had a grand ol' time in Hollywood, while being a Democrat, and be a raging homophobe. He may have worked to reduce the desirability of abortion, but not it's legality. In fact, Reagan fairly well used soccons who never got their quo for their quid.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:48pm |
re: #710 Peacekeeper
See Charles? Stupidity makes us more stronger.
Well it does since the stupid tend to die before they can reproduce as much!
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:10:59pm |
re: #700 quickjustice
Whoever it is better be able to speak better than Paulson.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:11:11pm |
Seems to me there's a pretty good pun available concerning a certain west coast city and the solar systems eighth planet...
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:11:26pm |
re: #504 Charles
The science of global warming is far from settled, and many people are debating the meaning of the data.
However... it's a little foolish to argue that the whole thing is a hoax, and there's no evidence for human impact on the Earth's climate. There is evidence, and a lot of it, that the activities of human beings are having a very significant effect.
I'm no expert, and I haven't reached any conclusions on it. But the 'global warming' hypothesis can't simply be dismissed as kookery.
I agree. But when some of the global warming folks start loosening the lug bolts on your car just for pointing in the other direction, then the global worming folks lose credibility. (We know there are scientists on both sides of this issue-- and the scientists who dare come out against man made global warming are facing ostracism or worse. (and that's the kicker "man-made")
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:11:29pm |
re: #717 Bumr50
I thought Al Gore was the High Priest of Gaia. When did he get demoted?
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:11:35pm |
re: #679 tfc3rid
Agreed... And being a somewhat recent (< 10 yr) college grad in Engineering it's because student say it's 'too hard'...
It's been interesting at my work to watch recent graduates flail when you ask them to do something--say, fill out a template with test results--but you neglect to tell them every click of the mouse needed to do the task. Computer science majors can't use the Help menu to figure out how to do tasks in Word, it's sad.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:11:40pm |
re: #687 Peacekeeper
Why spend years on math when you can take "Gender roles of the Simpsons" and "Pornography and societal didactics" ?
John Derbyshire likes to relate how he and other maths grads would mock the literature majors by saying, "you took a college degree, in reading novels?!
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:04pm |
re: #720 Bumr50
Whoever it is better be able to speak better than Paulson.
He and 0 could have a stammer contest.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:05pm |
re: #719 Nevergiveup
Well it does since the stupid tend to die before they can reproduce as much!
Uh, were you not around on Election Day?
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Rancher Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:28pm |
re: #700 quickjustice
Remember, Paulson's only around until January. Then we get Obama's idiot instead.
And he will inherit the absolute power we gave Paulson with the $700 billion financial bailout.
Don't shoot me!
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:31pm |
re: #714 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Isn't jet fuel measured by weight, not volume?
Possibly. May have been kilos versus pounds. It was over 20 years ago and the details are hazy.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:37pm |
re: #724 HeatherRadish
It's been interesting at my work to watch recent graduates flail when you ask them to do something--say, fill out a template with test results--but you neglect to tell them every click of the mouse needed to do the task. Computer science majors can't use the Help menu to figure out how to do tasks in Word, it's sad.
Parents of new grads call our company when their kids have been criticized...
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:39pm |
re: #711 Occasional Reader
Dow closes up 552.59.
We're all rich! Break out the double magnums of Cristal, and the SuperSoakers!
Now there's a party I'd love to attend!
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xnar Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:41pm |
Ho hum. Another 10% intraday swing.
Vegas has moved to Wall St.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:12:52pm |
re: #716 ErnieG
Agreed. My point was, however, that they are better off pursuing their product illegally rather than risk government regulation and taxation. I'm glad I quit smoking because cigarettes are probably more expensive than weed these days.
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:05pm |
re: #650 Charles
I disagree strongly here. Teaching children to believe in creationism is a sheer disaster for their critical thinking skills, and damages their ability to comprehend all sorts of other scientific disciplines.
All fair points and I apologize to the extent I inferred meaning to what you were saying.
If a student is taught evolution in science class and creationalism in religion class, that's ok. The teachers should be able to reconcile the two different teachings by explaining that god works through science, sort of reasoning.
Creationalism should not be taught in science.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:09pm |
re: #725 Occasional Reader
John Derbyshire got beat up a lot, I'll wager.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:46pm |
re: #714 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Jet fuel wieght is diff... at altitude....
Loaded at gallons ..calculated to wt...
And flight altitute to destination etc... etc...
Long time ago I knew this shit......Long time ago!
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:48pm |
re: #733 Bumr50
Agreed. My point was, however, that they are better off pursuing their product illegally rather than risk government regulation and taxation. I'm glad I quit smoking because cigarettes are probably more expensive than weed these days.
That's why I grow tobacco in my bedroom closet.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:52pm |
re: #590 Charles
It should be pretty obvious that I'm no fan of socialism or Marxism, but there IS a very serious problem with beliefs like creationism, especially when they're forced on children and science is denigrated. The United States's lead in science and technology is on a radical decline, by every measure, and part of the reason for this is that far too many people reject science in favor of irrational beliefs like creationism. Groups like the Discovery Institute are working behind the scenes in many states to promote this kind of pseudo-science, and it's harming us all.
I think the major problem with students and science is that there are too many pseudo-math and pseudo-science classes. Back in the day (mid 70s) when I was in high school, we had to take four years of english study. The first two years were very set. Western Literature and Writing Structure. The other two years were optional from Wild West Lit to Minority Literature (thats when I read Malcolm X) poetry, etc. They have done the same thing with the science courses. We HAD to take at least one year of earth science and the 2nd was optional earth, biology, or chemestry (there were 4 years offered but you had to get past the first two before going advanced)
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J.S. Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:54pm |
There are international trend studies (in math and science)...such as here (the data is for 2003, I don't believe the 2007 data is yet available for free)...There is also (btw) considerable controversy about interpreting these stats...(some say, you can't do cross country comparisons because too many other variables are going to be put into play -- socioeconomic factors, school accessibility, literacy, etc. Oh, and with respect to the latter -- it's been argued that understanding mathematics should *not* be conflated with language ability...)
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:56pm |
re: #504 Charles
I believe humans should clean up there act, regardless. But, the global warming alarmists are out there threatening those who don't beleive, and using it to scare children in grade school.
That's where I get off the man-made global warming bus.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:13:56pm |
re: #727 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Uh, were you not around on Election Day?
Let me call Darwin and get back to you? Good point .
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:14:16pm |
re: #723 Iron Fist
Gaia undoubtedly offends several Muslim groups.
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:14:33pm |
re: #667 HeatherRadish
Isn't the purpose of the tax to drive companies out of business, though? I'm thinking of Obama's promise to tax coal producers until they cease operations.
Sometimes. But I have seen too many leftists who see only the money they will get and don't realize they are killing the golden goose.
Note that they didn't ban tobacco, but had the courts award them billions of tabacco's profits.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:14:37pm |
re: #735 Peacekeeper
John Derbyshire got beat up a lot, I'll wager.
He was a fight extra in a Bruce Lee movie, believe it or not.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:14:55pm |
I'll interpret your silence as proof that I proved my point.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:15:07pm |
re: #736 reloadingisnotahobby
Jet fuel wieght is diff... at altitude....
Loaded at gallons ..calculated to wt...
And flight altitute to destination etc... etc...
Long time ago I knew this shit......Long time ago!
Don't worry. This morning I had to convert kilos into pounds in order to determine the lethal dose of raisins for a Boston Terrier. I hope I got it right, or no more Bobo.
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:15:29pm |
re: #678 eschew_obfuscation
No it isn't, but it is an indicator of what the founders were thinking when the constitution was written.
LOL, they considered adopting Hebrew as our national language. They weren't considering Christianity, they were considering decency. Some Christians seem to think that if you don't believe in their god, you can't have any morals. I say to that :-P
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lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:15:46pm |
Google has failed me. Or maybe I have failed Google, hard to say. I can't find any public schools anywhere that have Creationism as part of the curriculum. I assume that there are at least some anecdotal accounts out there. I did find some of the mandatory (and presumably universal) standardized science tests for eighth-graders, They all showed examples of evolution being part of the necessary course-work.
I'll keep looking, anyone care to point me in the right direction?
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gop_patriot Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:15:50pm |
re: #735 Peacekeeper
John Derbyshire got beat up a lot, I'll wager.
Not by Lit majors, he didn't.
LOLOL
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reine.de.tout Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:15:57pm |
re: #304 WrathofG-d
. . .
As a point of clarification, isn't the Vatican only Catholic? (honest question, not an expert on Christianity)
[going to lunch anyhow, will check back when I get back]
Yes, the Vatican is "only" Catholic, but Catholics are Christian, another point that many extreme fundamentalists who label themselves as "Christian" would argue against (Phelps and clan probably belong in that category).
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:16:15pm |
re: #712 Tigger2005
I tried hard to understand math beyond basic algebra, including after-school tutoring, but there was a certain point where my brain just refused to understand anything more.
It's not easy for everyone. But there's a difference between acknowledging that, and deciding that because everyone can't do it, no one shall be encouraged to do it.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:16:45pm |
re: #703 mama winger
By refusing to buy bad paper, Paulson has shifted moral hazard where it belongs, back to those who bought or sold it. (This is a reversal of his earlier position). The Democrats in Congress are furious, because they wanted the money to be used to bail out those who couldn't afford their mortgages.
Look for Obama's Treasury guy to drag us back into moral hazard and recession by keeping the bad paper in play.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:16:48pm |
The Newly Minted Most Expensive Apartment in New York City
[Link: www.observer.com...]
All you liazards are invited over for drinks. Just say I send you and they'll take good care of you?
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:17:19pm |
re: #641 Cato the Elder
Not a day goes by...
Today at "Ayn Rand Shudders" (Shrugging Atlas), we have a new conspiracy to put next to the nirth certifikit scandal:
DID PRESIDENT ELECT HUSSEIN FALSIFY SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION?
As usual not an original post but cribbed verbatim from Debbie Schlussel.
Sigh.
Did Obama have to register for selective service when 18? I turned 18 in 76. I'm not sure guys had to register at that juncture.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:17:39pm |
re: #749 gop_patriot
Not by Lit majors, he didn't.
LOLOL
A slide rule was the 1960's geeks' lightsaber.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:17:40pm |
re: #740 FrogMarch
I believe humans should clean up there act, regardless. But, the global warming alarmists are out there threatening those who don't beleive, and using it to scare children in grade school.
That's where I get off the man-made global warming bus.
I got off that bus when I found out that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide FOLLOW warming periods.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:17:46pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:17:49pm |
re: #735 Peacekeeper
John Derbyshire got beat up a lot, I'll wager.
Sure, but he got beaten up by Bruce Lee.
Which is like winning 99.99% of all other possible fights.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:03pm |
re: #746 mama winger
Well I hope it all comes out in the end!
Oh, that was bad!%-
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:13pm |
re: #753 quickjustice
Who's it gonna be you think? Any talk today?
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redc1c4 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:15pm |
re: #729 Moe Katz
Possibly. May have been kilos versus pounds. It was over 20 years ago and the details are hazy.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:18pm |
re: #744 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Curse you of the fastly-typing fingers! But I provided a link. Ha.
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:23pm |
re: #735 Peacekeeper
He comes across as a bit of an asshole. The homophobia doesn't help either.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:32pm |
As an added note, I determined that the lethal amount of raisin ingestion in a twenty pound dog is one and a half ounces. If I am wrong someone should probably point that out rather quickly.
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:37pm |
re: #740 FrogMarch
I believe humans should clean up their act, regardless. But, the global warming alarmists are out there threatening those who don't beleive, and using it to scare children in grade school.
That's where I get off the man-made global warming bus.
fixed. sheesh
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DeafDog Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:18:43pm |
re: #714 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Isn't jet fuel measured by weight, not volume?
At least in helicopters, it's pumped in gallons but then converted to pounds to do balance and distance calculations. A gallon weighs 6 pounds, btw.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:19:11pm |
re: #762 redc1c4
Yep, that's the one. The pilot got a black mark on his record for letting it happen but was much feted by his colleagues.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:19:38pm |
re: #759 Occasional Reader
Sure, but he got beaten up by Bruce Lee.
Which is like winning 99.99% of all other possible fights.
I'll take Jonah Goldberg by TKO in the third.
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wright1 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:19:44pm |
re: #669 SFGoth
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How did Reagan advance the pro-life cause? He signed CA's abortion rights law in the late '60's. Bush won because he ran against Gore and then Kerry, and almost lost both times. If Bush had run against Clinton in '96 he'd have been embarrassed off the stage. Religious issues are not the recipe for victory - limiting gov't and empowering people is. Bush does/did not believe in those ideas.
A case of revisionism on your part. Ronald Reagan ran on a traditional Family Values platform and embraced what has become known as culture of life issues. He is the poster president if you will for those of us who support these positions. And he won in landslides. Did he vote dissimilatly in Ca. as Governor? Apparently. I am all for evolement of core principles provided they are authentic and with Ronald Reagan I believe they were the real McCoy. Moreover, Reagan defeated to very left leaning Dems. Bush did not win by much the first time but he won handily the second. He is inducted into the ranks of being a term president. Would he have beaten Clinton? Hard to say. Clinton has what Obama has, a lot of charisma or in my view snake oil. People gravitate to him. But he was also more of a centrist than Carter, Mondale, Gore or Kerry. No, you are denying history. Many here vehemently disagree with this reality but the GOP 's success has been tied to tradional family values and culture of life issues. McCain is road kill in part because he is mostly a democrat.
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:19:45pm |
re: #755 Eowyn2
I know that in my state(PA) all that is taken care of when you get your big boy driver's license. Selective Service, voter registration, etc.
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HeatherRadish Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:04pm |
re: #730 tfc3rid
Parents of new grads call our company when their kids have been criticized...
Yeah, I had one of them go to HR to get me fired. They were offended I didn't correct my spelling of "maneuvre" to "move" so they could understand it.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:19pm |
re: #755 Eowyn2
I thought that ended in 75.......
May be that's why I never got that gov buisness loan I applied for!
I'd been wondering ALL THIS TIME?
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J.S. Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:27pm |
re: #746 mama winger
You can think of a single raisin as approx one gram...(there are also converters on the Internet).
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:36pm |
re: #765 mama winger
As an added note, I determined that the lethal amount of raisin ingestion in a twenty pound dog is one and a half ounces. If I am wrong someone should probably point that out rather quickly.
Gosh, I hope you didn't discover that empirically?! :-)
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FrogMarch Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:44pm |
re: #757 eschew_obfuscation
I got off that bus when I found out that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide FOLLOW warming periods.
Ooo hey look - a kindle edition of...
Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:48pm |
re: #774 J.S.
You can think of a single raisin as approx one gram...(there are also converters on the Internet).
NOW you tell me !
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SFGoth Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:20:50pm |
Funny how the dumbing down of higher ed coincided with the 80's fetish (continuing today) that every kid should be able to go to college. Now we've got morons dropping out left and right, and people getting "college degrees" in non-academic disciplines (like womyns' studies, this studies, that studies) College used to be hard, fucking hard. Now it's just Peter Pan land for 5-7 years.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:21:09pm |
re: #764 joncelli
He comes across as a bit of an asshole. The homophobia doesn't help either.
Whoa! Homophobia? I like homophobia- I haven't got a lot going for me and it helps to know there is still one demographic I can bad mouth and oppress.
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gop_patriot Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:21:59pm |
re: #756 Peacekeeper
A slide rule was the 1960's geeks' lightsaber.
Heh. ;)
Have you seen the TV show Big Bang Theory? It's about a bunch of genius science geeks. Absolutely hilarious!
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vxbush Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:13pm |
re: #712 Tigger2005
I tried hard to understand math beyond basic algebra, including after-school tutoring, but there was a certain point where my brain just refused to understand anything more.
I don't doubt that's true for some people. But far too many people can't do basic things from junior high. That's horrific, in my opinion.
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Silhouette Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:16pm |
re: #746 mama winger
Don't worry. This morning I had to convert kilos into pounds in order to determine the lethal dose of raisins for a Boston Terrier. I hope I got it right, or no more Bobo.
Important data need:
Are the raisins soaked in gin?
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:37pm |
re: #761 Bumr50
Corzine, another Goldman alumnus, has been floated as Obama's Treasury Secretary. (Interesting how Goldman seems to control all the powerful financial jobs in both political parties, isn't it?). My own theory is that powerful people and corporations hate competition and free markets. They want their powerful positions protected by government, European-style.
So those who have bought influence with Obama know that his Administration will protect them from competition. In addition to Wall Street, the auto industry comes to mind.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:40pm |
re: #781 Peacekeeper
Whoa! Homophobia? I like homophobia- I haven't got a lot going for me and it helps to know there is still one demographic I can bad mouth and oppress.
I miss having cognito to oppress.
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:45pm |
re: #780 goddessoftheclassroom
Good afternoon, Lizards.
Hey dere, goddess.
Hope you haven't been munching on raisins today.
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Wyatt Earp Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:45pm |
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:22:59pm |
I know that if my household is any sort of indicator, choosing a female Treasury Secretary would be a wise move for Obama.
People are more apt to trust a woman with money.
My 2 cents.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:02pm |
Now here's some news in the "some things do get better" Dept.:
The last time I registered a gun in DC, it took three months.
This time, it took about 30 minutes.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:09pm |
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:16pm |
re: #784 Silhouette
Important data need:
Are the raisins soaked in gin?
They were not, but that does sound good, doesn't it?
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:19pm |
re: #756 Peacekeeper
Funny!
My Dad is 83.... Built highway 10 ...Slide rule did it just fine!
Still knows how to use it!
The SR71 Blackbird was built using the slide rule!
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:44pm |
re: #785 quickjustice
(Interesting how Goldman seems to control all the powerful financial jobs in both political parties, isn't it?).
It's da JOOOS!
/BuchananThink
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:49pm |
re: #790 Occasional Reader
Now here's some news in the "some things do get better" Dept.:
The last time I registered a gun in DC, it took three months.
This time, it took about 30 minutes.
So you have learned how to break into cars faster now, eh?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:23:58pm |
re: #543 Silhouette
Last I checked, one can take one tree, and using this thing called seeds make many many trees.
If the bloody thing cures cancer, anyone with acreage to spare volunteer to grow a few thousands seedlings? We may run out of 100-yr-old trees for a bit, but the market for this would guarantee that many more would be planted than just occurs in nature, and 100 years from now, we'd have a great supply.
And if that market had been allowed to begin when the chemical property was first discovered, maybe 30-40 years ago, we'd be a third of the way there already.
Many governmental Forestry jurisdictins have vaults of seeds taken from local plant life over time, to capture older varieties vs. new varieties of plants.
Many governmental Forestry jurisdictions also have orchards where they plant things every year, and every year have a sale of seedlings of various types of trees - package of seedlings for $3.
Renewal of plant life is not a problem.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:24:00pm |
re: #790 Occasional Reader
Now here's some news in the "some things do get better" Dept.:
The last time I registered a gun in DC, it took three months.
This time, it took about 30 minutes.
To be turned down?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:24:05pm |
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:24:19pm |
re: #791 Creeping Eruption
What happened to him or her?
El Sticko of El Stinkyo, as they say south of the border.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:24:34pm |
re: #791 Creeping Eruption
What happened to him or her?
He talked down to everyone one too many times and got the stick.
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gop_patriot Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:24:49pm |
re: #765 mama winger
Your dog eats raisins? Mine won't touch them.
Of course my pets are weird- I have a cat that won't eat lunchmeat, but will eat dry leaves. lol
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Charles Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:24:52pm |
re: #748 lincolntf
Google has failed me. Or maybe I have failed Google, hard to say. I can't find any public schools anywhere that have Creationism as part of the curriculum. I assume that there are at least some anecdotal accounts out there. I did find some of the mandatory (and presumably universal) standardized science tests for eighth-graders, They all showed examples of evolution being part of the necessary course-work.
I'll keep looking, anyone care to point me in the right direction?
Uh ... who said that there were public schools teaching creationism? They don't, but it's not for lack of trying by creationist groups.
So far, the efforts of creationists like Santorum and the Discovery Institute have been defeated. But they continue to push and work behind the scenes to develop a version of creationism that's disguised well enough to sneak into science classes. That's the purpose of the "academic freedom" bill signed by Bobby Jindal, and it was the purpose of the amendment to NCLB promoted by Santorum. The Discovery Institute and/or right-wing Christian groups are actively promoting pseudo-science in many states; Texas, Georgia, Florida, California, Pennsylvania, just to name a few.
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tfc3rid Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:25:15pm |
re: #790 Occasional Reader
Now here's some news in the "some things do get better" Dept.:
The last time I registered a gun in DC, it took three months.
This time, it took about 30 minutes.
Oh yeah gun guy, well don't even THINK of filling olur the Obama job form then... You gun nuts will stay OUT of Mr. Clean's Administration!
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Bumr50 Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:25:16pm |
re: #779 SFGoth
Oh, and kids don't like tests anymore either.
Here in Pittsburgh, students at our city schools can't get a score below 50 percent. On anything. So they don't feel embarassed or hopeless I guess.
I've got much more where that came from, if we wanna get depressed.
The question is how to reinstate accountablity.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:25:57pm |
re: #798 Peacekeeper
To be turned down?
Nope. And, even more surprisingly, they issued me a "double-oh" license. Icing on the cake, really.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:06pm |
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Iron Fist Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:23pm |
re: #742 Bumr50
Does that mean Al Gore done something right? What's the odds of that?
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:24pm |
re: #802 gop_patriot
Your dog eats raisins? Mine won't touch them.
Of course my pets are weird- I have a cat that won't eat lunchmeat, but will eat dry leaves. lol
No - this was a patient at the vet clinic this morning.
Raisins are a no no for dogs. Toxic in rather small quantities. Grapes as well, but in larger quantities. Best just to stay away from them.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:27pm |
re: #806 buzzsawmonkey
Only French dogs eat raisins. It's their raisin d'eater.
Oh jeez... terrible! :)
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:39pm |
re: #801 debutaunt
He talked down to everyone one too many times and got the stick.
Must have been pretty bad. A lot of shit gets a slingin' around here without the stick coming out of the closet. He always seemed pretty level-headed in the face of almost universal derision here. Did he insult Charles?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:42pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:26:56pm |
re: #803 Charles
Uh ... who said that there were public schools teaching creationism? They don't, but it's not for lack of trying by creationist groups.
So far, the efforts of creationists like Santorum and the Discovery Institute have been defeated. But they continue to push and work behind the scenes to develop a version of creationism that's disguised well enough to sneak into science classes. That's the purpose of the "academic freedom" bill signed by Bobby Jindal, and it was the purpose of the amendment to NCLB promoted by Santorum. The Discovery Institute and/or right-wing Christian groups are actively promoting pseudo-science in many states; Texas, Georgia, Florida, California, Pennsylvania, just to name a few.
Charles - I linked once to the actual Louisiana bill, but I did not "favorite" it and now I cannot find the bill on the La. legislative site. Is there any way one can search only for links one has posted?
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:00pm |
re: #746 mama winger
Uh, so what's the answer? (I've got a Boston and a Jack Russell too...)
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:22pm |
re: #807 Occasional Reader
Nope. And, even more surprisingly, they issued me a "double-oh" license. Icing on the cake, really.
Don't keep your gun in your cake. That's just dumb.
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quickjustice Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:23pm |
re: #794 Occasional Reader
Goldman is a financial firm, not an ethnic group! And Goldman Sachs is heavily Democrat, and not exclusively Jewish.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:33pm |
re: #806 buzzsawmonkey
Only French dogs eat raisins. It's their raisin d'eater.
I dinged you down, just on general principle.
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Moe Katz Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:48pm |
re: #812 Creeping Eruption
Must have been pretty bad. A lot of shit gets a slingin' around here without the stick coming out of the closet. He always seemed pretty level-headed in the face of almost universal derision here. Did he insult Charles?
Go back to the last Vlaams Belang thread, search Cognito, and read the whole sequence.
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debutaunt Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:54pm |
re: #812 Creeping Eruption
Must have been pretty bad. A lot of shit gets a slingin' around here without the stick coming out of the closet. He always seemed pretty level-headed in the face of almost universal derision here. Did he insult Charles?
I don't know the details.
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Peacekeeper Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:27:57pm |
re: #807 Occasional Reader
Nope. And, even more surprisingly, they issued me a "double-oh" license. Icing on the cake, really.
The registration process had a happy ending?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:09pm |
re: #817 quickjustice
Goldman is a financial firm, not an ethnic group! And Goldman Sachs is heavily Democrat, and not exclusively Jewish.
Um, yes, I know, 'twas a joke.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:09pm |
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mama winger Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:22pm |
re: #815 joncelli
Uh, so what's the answer? (I've got a Boston and a Jack Russell too...)
You know the size of one of those small raisin boxes? That amount can lead to serious illness or death in a twenty pound dog.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:38pm |
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lincolntf Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:41pm |
re: #803 Charles
I got the impression that you and others were trying to "remove" Creationism because of its ill effects on children/education. I obviously missed a key point somewhere. Anyway, I feel better knowing that nobody is actually being taught Creationism rather than evolution. That sounded a bit screwy to me.
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joncelli Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:51pm |
re: #788 Wyatt Earp
I guess he showed her! (I wish these morons would weed themselves out of the gene pool quietly rather than take somebody with them.)
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vxbush Thu, Nov 13, 2008 1:28:57pm |
re: #782 gop_patriot
Heh. ;)
Have you seen the TV show Big Bang Theory? It's about a bunch of genius science geeks. Absolutely hilarious!
And I love how I get the jokes and my husband doesn't. Heh.
Regarding parents calling the workplace on behalf of their children: these parents need to be taken to the woodshed and told to stop coddling their children.
