I love the smell of threadage in the morning!

I've stopped watching the DOW and every other index.

I like watching in the last 5 minutes, before 4. Kind of like watching rats running from a sinking ship.

"How low can ya go"

Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.

Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Its see-sawing: up-down, up-down, up-down ...
Could make a person seasick, watching that!

re: #4 Haole

"How low can ya go"

Kind of like the square root of negative one, no one really knows.

Frighteningly similar to Isreal's response to Hamas.

Dilbert

I think when the DOW went into the 7,000's it triggered a bunch of buy orders and that is why it immediately started climbing again. Maybe. Out today, buying at the close (we'll see how THAT goes... ha!).

re: #5 Charles

Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.

Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.

Because right now, they appear to like Democrats who got religion, and that's not working.

I just emailed GMA about having Ayers on.
They make me sick.
How is this person considered someone who ok to be around.

I can't watch it. I'm in deep denial. Television and the stock market are "dear dead days that are now no more". I'm sure that's a bastardization of the original quote but I'm too far down in the well to look it up.

re: #12 LaForzadelDestino

I can't watch it. I'm in deep denial. Television and the stock market are "dear dead days that are now no more". I'm sure that's a bastardization of the original quote but I'm too far down in the well to look it up.

Timmy?

re: #5 Charles

Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.

Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Religious beliefs simply have no place in a political party.

A secular state is not a-religious, it simply does not give room in its legislation for anything based on religious views.

Every citizen is still free to cling to whatever religious text is his preferred one - but the tenets of that book won't find place in legislation.

All those who reject this - just think about a party for the introduction of Sharia law ... how can this be refused, if that party gets a majority, when there are no safeguards to keep religion out of politics?

Charles: that reminds me... I remember a funny episode of Sopranos when Tony Soprano was talking about how "Sanitorium" was against people being gay

re: #13 MandyManners

Timmy?

Lassie?

re: #15 KrsnaDas

Charles: that reminds me... I remember a funny episode of Sopranos when Tony Soprano was talking about how "Sanitorium" was against people being gay

There is a whole website dedicated to that very topic.

re: #16 subsailor68

Lassie?

Woof!

Just curious, is The VP going to take Biden out hunting tonight?

re: #13 MandyManners

Timmy?

Sorry. I don't know Timmy. It's awfully dark down here.

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #18 capitalist piglet

Woof!

Thank heavens! You're just in time.

Dow back up some, 8195 at 1:42 EST. However only two stocks are up: J&J and Caterpillar, both up 9 cents.

re: #19 Nevergiveup

Just curious, is The VP going to take Biden out hunting tonight?

LOL, I read that as: Just curious, is The VP going to take out Biden hunting tonight?"

The Dow is DOWN?

AGAIN?

But...but...but...we elected OBAMA! I mean, everything was supposed to start getting better on Nov. 5! The Dow was supposed to stop falling, the oceans were supposed to stop rising, the world was supposed to love us again...

Oh, wait...maybe all that stuff's not supposed to happen until Jan. 21.

The sun came up this morning.
I breathe. I talk. I even sing.
I have all my parts.
Life does NOT suck.

This moment of optimism brought to you by your Creator.

re: #23 Son of the Black Dog

Dow back up some, 8195 at 1:42 EST. However only two stocks are up: J&J and Caterpillar, both up 9 cents.

Foreign sales of the D-9 up?

re: #18 capitalist piglet

Woof!

Shouldn't that be "oink"?

re: #26 rawmuse

The sun came up this morning.
I breathe. I talk. I even sing.
I have all my parts.
Life does NOT suck.

This moment of optimism brought to you by your Creator.

We had a saying - it's a good day when the number of dives equals the number of surfaces.

:-)

re: #15 KrsnaDas

Charles: that reminds me... I remember a funny episode of Sopranos when Tony Soprano was talking about how "Sanitorium" was against people being gay

I would like to pose a question to everyone:

What is your all-time favorite line from The Sopranos? Mine is:

"I've got federal marshalls so far up my ass, I can taste Brylcreme."

In acknowledgement and support of Buzz's pun on the last thread: Take it to the Limit,

No video, really, to interfere with your commenting pleasure. I like that song.

re: #25 Ceemack

The Dow is DOWN?

AGAIN?

But...but...but...we elected OBAMA! I mean, everything was supposed to start getting better on Nov. 5! The Dow was supposed to stop falling, the oceans were supposed to stop rising, the world was supposed to love us again...

Oh, wait...maybe all that stuff's not supposed to happen until Jan. 21.

The DOW doesn't like the government dicking around with the "bailout" that was so ballyhooed.

Possible Obama choice foe CIA director,

Thomas Fingar, the chief of analysis for the [national] intelligence director...
Liberals would swoon over Fingar, I suspect. As head of State Department intelligence in the first Bush administration, he was the only intelligence official who called it right on Saddam Hussein's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. And he oversaw the writing of a National Intelligence Estimate on Iran's nuclear program that many credit - or blame - for blunting what seemed like an imminent Bush administration attack on Iran.

Fingar would be a bad choice, signaling the Obama admin intends to negotiate woth Iran and hobble the CIA.

re: #28 Ford_Prefect

Shouldn't that be "oink"?

Hey, a pig named "Lassie" - that would be cool!

re: #21 Charles

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homphobic:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I wonder what he thinks of Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965).

Last Windows update toasted the ability to use the mouse within Word 2007. What to do... what to do... use a different computer I guess.

re: #29 subsailor68

We had a saying - it's a good day when the number of dives equals the number of surfaces.

:-)

My Male says much the same thing! He served as a machinists' mate on subs.

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.

Because right now, they appear to like Democrats who got religion, and that's not working.

You don't get much support deriding or slamming the very kind of people who you hope would vote your way going forward.

You can be conservative in your fiscal views, and deemphasize the social conservatism - if you are a fiscal conservative, you are going to necessarily limit how much government intervention occurs in the private sector by limiting how much money is available to do so.

re: #37 Dianna

My Male says much the same thing! He served as a machinists' mate on subs.

Bless you, and all the ladies silly - or brave - enough to marry guys like us.

:-)

re: #21 Charles

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Huh. From his pic I would swear he was of the gay persuasion himself.

re: #35 MandyManners

I wonder what he thinks of Griswold v. Connecticut 381 U.S. 479 (1965).

He probably stays awake at night, fuming about it.

re: #21 Charles

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That guy is a mess and it is a shame that Fox News so frequently props him up as a representative Republican.

I had the pleasure of hearing George Will speak last night. He is much more animated in person than when they stick him behind the desk as a talking head.

Here are 2 quotes that I thought were funny.

Speaking of the Dems
"We've got them right where we want them"
and
"Pessimism is not without its pleasures"

re: #21 Charles

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Aww - we do live in the 21st Century, not the 12th, don't we?

The market gyrations should have been expected. Any day that the Pres, Bernacke or Paulson speak the market immediately evacuates its bowels.

re: #21 Charles

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homphobic:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

sodomy laws properly exist to prevent acts which "undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family"

I could speculate about his love life but, I won't.

re: #5 Charles

Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.

Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Social conservatism does not address the issue that left the Dems in power in Congress after the 2006 elections. Santorum is being a bit of a twit here. What happened is that we forgot about smaller government and being fiscally responsible. Those two things are what got the revolution in 1994.

I still say we need to actively have a platform that espouses clean, reformed, and trasparent governance if we are to win in 2010. The Obama White House along with Pelosi's House and Reid's Senate will be the one of the most corrupt and dirty governments in the history of these United States. People like the reform message.

re: #41 Dianna

He probably stays awake at night, fuming about it.

Would he try to outlaw BC for married people?

re: #42 freedombilly

That guy is a mess and it is a shame that Fox News so frequently props him up as a representative Republican.

Look for them--and, CNN--to do it also with Jindal.

The 92,000 new voters who registered during the early voting period include people who simply changed counties, but more than two-thirds of all registrations this year have come from new voters or voters new to North Carolina.

Why does this sound so much like Ohio?

Lassie is no more.

Timmy, prone to wandering off and getting into situations, has been diagnosed with ADD and medicated into immobility.

Lassie was picked up for violating the leash laws. When the Animal Control Dept noted that "she" was a "he", they made him an "it".

Boomer is in rehab, working on childhood issue.

/

It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?

re: #40 Russkilitlover

Huh. From his pic I would swear he was of the gay persuasion himself.

He looks like one of those pretty men who think a successful career in politics is their due because they look like a film star (after lots of make-overs and otehr stuff I won't go into ...)

re: #38 lawhawk

You don't get much support deriding or slamming the very kind of people who you hope would vote your way going forward.

You can be conservative in your fiscal views, and deemphasize the social conservatism - if you are a fiscal conservative, you are going to necessarily limit how much government intervention occurs in the private sector by limiting how much money is available to do so.

I was not deriding any person, at least that was not my intention. I was not calling anyone an ass, I was simply referring to the body count, the actual butt count, in the pews. The way I see it, your correction is saying the same thing I said.

But, if my wording was confusing, then I apologize. I really was trying to say the same thing you said.

re: #49 MandyManners

Look for them--and, CNN--to do it also with Jindal.

Yup. Prop up the young, good looking, articulate conservative and then when he becomes a "face" of the party expose him for being a loon.

Almost every Republican currently being promoted by Fox News is a creationist.

re: #36 Max Darkside

Last Windows update toasted the ability to use the mouse within Word 2007. What to do... what to do... use a different computer I guess.

Do you think that was on purpose or they forgot it somehow?

Our office asked for volunteers to test Office 2007. I was not among the brave, but I've heard the complaints.

Remember, if in ain't broke, break it to make it better.

re: #39 subsailor68

Bless you, and all the ladies silly - or brave - enough to marry guys like us.

:-)

These days, he's a unix geek. I'm beginning to think it's actually more stressful!

"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
- Pierre Elliot Trudeau

re: #51 OldLineTexan

He's still better off than Old Yeller.

Namely: Huckabee, Pawlenty, Jindal, Santorum. All creationists.

re: #60 Ford_Prefect

He's still better off than Old Yeller.

/sniff

re: #27 Creeping Eruption

Foreign sales of the D-9 up?

That's the one product which increases sales by pancaking.

re: #55 freedombilly

Yup. Prop up the young, good looking, articulate conservative and then when he becomes a "face" of the party expose him for being a loon.

It's coming.

re: #44 yma o hyd

Aww - we do live in the 21st Century, not the 12th, don't we?

An amazing number of people somehow think things were better when things were rotten. What can I say?

I don't agree.

re: #59 Kenneth

"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
- Pierre Elliot Trudeau

Didn't he have a hot wife?

re: #14 yma o hyd

Religious beliefs simply have no place in a political party.

A secular state is not a-religious, it simply does not give room in its legislation for anything based on religious views.

Every citizen is still free to cling to whatever religious text is his preferred one - but the tenets of that book won't find place in legislation.

All those who reject this - just think about a party for the introduction of Sharia law ... how can this be refused, if that party gets a majority, when there are no safeguards to keep religion out of politics?

There is almost no activity that man can undertake that is unaffected by his moral code.

The only question that remains is "what moral code will be applied?".

Many choose Christianity and some of them choose to be members of the Republican party. While we need to protect the first amendment, don't ask them to stop attempting to protect society of which they are a part from problem practices.

Here's what one of our founders had to say on the subject:

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
James Madison, 1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia

re: #52 MrSnuggles

It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?

Hmmm....somehow the Democrats did it....

re: #57 Silhouette

Do you think that was on purpose or they forgot it somehow?

Word was open overnight on that machine when the update was applied by MSFT and I think that toasted Word. Merely opening and then closing it cause Word to crash now on close. I could just poop.

re: #52 MrSnuggles

It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?

According to your POV, I hate God because I want the government to stay out of my bedroom?

IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB.

4 minutes of "checking" and 5 refreshes later, taq pastes:
re: #10 Walter L. Newton

I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.

I don't go to church, but, wow, Walter. Kinda harsh there, doncha think?
-Taq

re: #48 MandyManners

Would he try to outlaw BC for married people?

Mandy, my boss keeps reminding me that there are people in the California Republican party who think BC ought to be illegal, period. I always blink at that.

And no, these people are not all Catholics, either.

re: #57 Silhouette

Do you think that was on purpose or they forgot it somehow?

Our office asked for volunteers to test Office 2007. I was not among the brave, but I've heard the complaints.

Remember, if in ain't broke, break it to make it better.

Simply go to the MS site and download the latest driver for the mouse..
It works..

re: #70 MandyManners

According to your POV, I hate God because I want the government to stay out of my bedroom?

IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB.

Actually it is the Gov'ts job...to stay out of the bedroom I mean.

re: #58 Dianna

These days, he's a unix geek. I'm beginning to think it's actually more stressful!

Well, remind him not to debug with a pipe wrench.

:-)

re: #72 Dianna

Mandy, my boss keeps reminding me that there are people in the California Republican party who think BC ought to be illegal, period. I always blink at that.

And no, these people are not all Catholics, either.

They need to mind their own business. Maybe get a hobby.

re: #53 yma o hyd

He looks like one of those pretty men who think a successful career in politics is their due because they look like a film star (after lots of make-overs and otehr stuff I won't go into ...)

Makes me suspicious that they are total perverts underneath that crisp appearance.

re: #68 wrenchwench

The democrats did it by offering goodies and the promise of amnesty for all. You want the republicans to follow that same road?

re: #52 MrSnuggles

It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?

Um, it was fiscal conservatism that was lost since 2000. We have had social conservative spendthrifts in Congress, and a social conservative spendthrift as President. So, how did fiscal conservatism hurt us when we forgot it during those years? It hurt us because we forgot it! Why is Governor Palin popular in Alaska? It's not her social stances; it's her fiscal stances and stances on reforming Alaska's corrupt government that made her popular. Everytime fiscal restraint and governmental reform is practised, it wins!

Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...

Wow... We really are there....

re: #30 capitalist piglet

I would like to pose a question to everyone:

What is your all-time favorite line from The Sopranos? Mine is:

"I've got federal marshalls so far up my ass, I can taste Brylcreme."

"The hair apparent."

re: #46 MandyManners

sodomy laws properly exist to prevent acts which "undermine the basic tenets of our society and the family"

I could speculate about his love life but, I won't.

We can synergize silently.

/but then I'd have to take a shower ... with Clorox

re: #80 tfc3rid

Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...

Wow... We really are there....

WHAT?

Charles,

Santorum also believes that Americans have no constitutional right to privacy when it comes to sexual acts, and is rabidly homophobic...

While it may be the case that Santorum is homophobic, there is no constitutional "right to privacy".

re: #59 Kenneth

"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
- Pierre Elliot Trudeau

As much as I despise Trudeau and Trudeauism, I have to agree with him here because he is right.

re: #70 MandyManners

Do what you want in your bedroom, but Santorum was right. The very next step after that Texas case was a push for gay marriage in the courts. Give these people an inch and they take a light year.

re: #52 MrSnuggles

Oh, man.

God may be good, but the state has only a little, narrow interest in the behavior of the individual.

So far as I am concerned, abortion in the first trimester is none of my affair. Gays should have exactly the same rights as anyone else - but I oppose and deride the notion of group rights - and most gay activities are no one's business but the people involved.

The social conservative agenda is just as irritating and wrong-headed as the leftist agenda, and just as interfering.

re: #65 Dianna

An amazing number of people somehow think things were better when things were rotten. What can I say?

I don't agree.

A lot of people want to be 'governed', either by a swoon-making young empty suit who promises change (and they don't have to think about what that means) - or by those who fulminate against 'change', any change, and want to go back to the Middle Ages, where people also didn't have to think for themselves.

Why is it that so many are prepared to give up their freedom and their hard-won liberties, just to escape the work of actually engaging and using their brains?

I really don't get it!

re: #83 MandyManners

WHAT?

Yeah, wasn't it regulation - in the form of the CRA - that got us into this mess?

re: #51 OldLineTexan

Boomer is in rehab, working on childhood issue.

*pulling thumb out of mouth* ... How did you know?

re: #89 subsailor68

Yeah, wasn't it regulation - in the form of the CRA - that got us into this mess?

I wanna' know if Soros is really testifying.

re: #90 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*pulling thumb out of mouth* ... How did you know?

On the positive side, you were positively darling as Timmy's human sidekick.

re: #80 tfc3rid

Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...

Wow... We really are there....

Where's Alice? I think we may be through the looking glass.

re: #71 Taqiyyotomist

Got your rebuttal after my belated post, Walter. Understood. The wording did seem like you were saying people in pews were asses. I get your drift now.

re: #71 Taqiyyotomist

I think the Repubs should really spend some time figuring out what happened to their fiscal conservatism and stop wasting time pandering to the asses in the pews.

I don't go to church, but, wow, Walter. Kinda harsh there, doncha think?
-Taq

Please see my re: #54 Walter L. Newton I was not referring to people in pews being "asses."

re: #52 MrSnuggles

It saddens me that social conservatism is being so nonchalantly tossed out the window when it has been fiscal liberalism that has hurt republicans so much. In case you have not noticed, the dems won the hispanic vote overwhelmingly. How are republicans ever going to get their votes if not via the common beliefs that abortion is wrong, gay rights are wrong, and God is good?

You are about to get clobbered I suspect by some that disagree with you. Before that happens, I agree with you. Those blaming the GOP for losing this round of elections or being socially conservative seem to ignore that John McCain is practically a Democrat and hardly a strong backer of culture of life issues. In fact the right of the party could barely stand McCain. When the GOP wins, Reagan twice, and GWB twice, the agenda of culture of life is advanced. That still appears to be the recipe for victory.

re: #83 MandyManners

WHAT?

Yes, hedge fund managers are in fron of Congress... Among which, Soros is there...

re: #75 subsailor68

Well, remind him not to debug with a pipe wrench.

:-)

I keep waiting to hear he punch-kicked a monitor across a room.

re: #66 Nevergiveup

Yes, very pretty and half his age.

re: #91 MandyManners

I wanna' know if Soros is really testifying.

Maybe on CSPAN or CSPAN 2?

(Nope, just checked.)

re: #78 MrSnuggles

The democrats did it by offering goodies and the promise of amnesty for all. You want the republicans to follow that same road?

McCain did offer amnesty. Look how far it got the bastard.

re: #97 tfc3rid

Yes, hedge fund managers are in fron of Congress... Among which, Soros is there...

TV is covering Pres. Bush.

re: #76 MandyManners

They need to mind their own business. Maybe get a hobby.

Minding other peoples' business is their hobby! That's why they're in politics.

re: #91 MandyManners

I wanna' know if Soros is really testifying.

If so that is kind of frightening. He has tended to be a back stage kind of guy up till now. If he is coming out into the open it means that he feels very comfortable and is ready to start forcing his agenda.

re: #95 Walter L. Newton

Please see my re: #54 Walter L. Newton I was not referring to people in pews being "asses."

Walter..Can i come to your playhouse for 2 nights and make 10 grand also?
I'm still astounded over what Roger pulls in..

re: #86 MrSnuggles

Do what you want in your bedroom, but Santorum was right. The very next step after that Texas case was a push for gay marriage in the courts. Give these people an inch and they take a light year.

And there are a lot of conservatives that have no problem with this. That is exactly what some people here this morning are trying to say.

The Republicans need to get off of this social engineering based on certain religious beliefs and texts, and get back to the job of government.

From today's NY Times...

"Hedge fund managers usually shun the spotlight. But five of them, billionaires all, are about to come under the glare on Capitol Hill.

The money managers — Philip Falcone, Kenneth C. Griffin, John Paulson, James Simons and George Soros — have been called by a House panel to discuss some of their trade secrets at a hearing on Thursday."

I want to know why Soros is allowed in the USA, and is not being arrested for his attempt to destroy the USA.

*spit*

I'm so sick and tired of every fuckin libtard/dem/socialist telling me who I should or shouldn't pick. I'm a big boy I can make my own decisions.

re: #103 Dianna

Minding other peoples' business is their hobby! That's why they're in politics.

Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Walter..Can i come to your playhouse for 2 nights and make 10 grand also?
I'm still astounded over what Roger pulls in..

Ot - sure, what can you do, anything special?

re: #88 yma o hyd

A lot of people want to be 'governed', either by a swoon-making young empty suit who promises change (and they don't have to think about what that means) - or by those who fulminate against 'change', any change, and want to go back to the Middle Ages, where people also didn't have to think for themselves.

Why is it that so many are prepared to give up their freedom and their hard-won liberties, just to escape the work of actually engaging and using their brains?

I really don't get it!

That certainly is frustrating.....

re: #104 Ford_Prefect

If so that is kind of frightening. He has tended to be a back stage kind of guy up till now. If he is coming out into the open it means that he feels very comfortable and is ready to start forcing his agenda.

Well, he can just kiss my ass.

re: #110 MandyManners

Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.

And are always the people who shouldn't have it.

Just heard on the radio that O'Biden's son is deploying to Iraq?
Wasn't O'Biden claiming his son was in Iraq during the race? Was he there and came back or what?

re: #86 MrSnuggles

Do what you want in your bedroom, but Santorum was right. The very next step after that Texas case was a push for gay marriage in the courts. Give these people an inch and they take a light year.

The case cited was from 1965. Griswold is the case that allowed unmarried people to buy birthcontrol.

The Texas case was just a while after that.

re: #113 MandyManners

Very erudite.

re: #113 MandyManners

Well, he can just kiss my ass.

Oooo, oooo... Me first! Me first!

re: #117 MandyManners

Very erudite.

Gonna ding yourself up?

there are easier ways....

re: #110 MandyManners

Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.

Spot on! I've always felt better with folks who are uncomfortable with power, but comfortable with service.

(Shame the phrase hen's teeth comes to mind.)

re: #85 Honorary Yooper

It's a slogan (just how far does that get one? think about it...does that mean that raping small children in one's bedroom is beyond the power of state intervention?)

Good afternoon LGF Friends. My daughter is taking me here tonight - looks fun, eh?

re: #115 anotherindyfilmguy

Just heard on the radio that O'Biden's son is deploying to Iraq?
Wasn't O'Biden claiming his son was in Iraq during the race? Was he there and came back or what?

If I am not mistaken, his son is a Lawyer in some branch of the Military. He was in the process of deploying similar to Palin's son.

re: #67 eschew_obfuscation

That is what one can stake one's personal life on, no discussion about that.

However - no country can legislate for the tenets of particular religions.
Otherwise you'd have to discriminate against whole groups of people just because they do not agree with your particular interpretation of when, for example, Easter should be celebrated ...

That falls behind the achievements of the Enlightenment. You might as well establish a theocracy - which, btw, is strictly against Christian belief.

The point is that nobody must be discriminated against for their religious beliefs (or lack of them) - and thus, while they hopefully influence your behaviour, they should not be translated into general legislation.
Abortion being a case in point.

More taxes will solve this? I don't think so.

re: #88 yma o hyd

Me, neither.

I guess it's easier to leave one's brain steeping in the tea pot. It's warm and soothing and dark.

WSJ was liveblogging the hearings...

Lot of BS back and forth but Soros was there and adding his two cents... I'm sure the Dems were loving him up like they Reps. loved all over Roger Clemens a few months ago...

re: #109 Haole

I'm so sick and tired of every fuckin libtard/dem/socialist telling me who I should or shouldn't pick. I'm a big boy I can make my own decisions.

You are not competent to make those decisions. That's what the government is for.

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re: #123 mama winger

I can see the Bradley Center from my office. Have fun.

re: #122 J.S.

It's a slogan (just how far does that get one? think about it...does that mean that raping small children in one's bedroom is beyond the power of state intervention?)

Oh dear. My post seems silly coming after that one. I should have read upthread. Sorry.

re: #107 tfc3rid

From today's NY Times...

"Hedge fund managers usually shun the spotlight. But five of them, billionaires all, are about to come under the glare on Capitol Hill.

The money managers — Philip Falcone, Kenneth C. Griffin, John Paulson, James Simons and George Soros — have been called by a House panel to discuss some of their trade secrets at a hearing on Thursday."

Trade secrets? He's a fucking thieving Kapo.

re: #117 MandyManners

Very erudite.

or at least ... erudite

*grin*

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

Ot - sure, what can you do, anything special?

Oh..you want Talent? crap..
I do have a trick shot..behind the back with just a little spin to kiss the ball off the backboard.
That's all I got Walter..
*hangs head in shame*
LOL

re: #56 Charles

Almost every Republican currently being promoted by Fox News is a creationist.

Why do you think that is? Rupert Murdoch doesn't strike me as a creationist.

You know things are grim when the best thing you can say is:

Wow! The DOW's only down 7 right now.

Sigh.

re: #114 Ford_Prefect

And are always the people who shouldn't have it.

Serious potty-training issues.

re: #130 Creeping Eruption

I can see the Bradley Center from my office. Have fun.

Really ? I'll wave ! :)

re: #80 tfc3rid

Top of the hour news, George Soros is testifying in front of Congress and talking about the evil of deregulation...

Wow... We really are there....

Link? what news station?
George Soros is the giant puppet master behind the left-wing/progressive fascist movement.

re: #138 mama winger

:)

Here is the WSJ link

Hedge Fund Live Blog - WSJ

re: #135 IlyaUnion

Why do you think that is?

Because most of the Republican Party is.

re: #96 wright1

I will remind you that Reagan was not actually a social conservative. Check out some legislation he signed as Governor of California.

re: #132 MandyManners

Trade secrets? He's a fucking thieving Kapo.

Mandy, you really need to stop holding your feelings in.. it's just not healthy./

re: #125 yma o hyd

That falls behind the achievements of the Enlightenment. You might as well establish a theocracy - which, btw, is strictly against Christian belief.

Someone put that on a billboard, please. I wish there was a SuperBold button.

re: #139 FrogMarch

Link? what news station?
George Soros is the giant puppet master behind the left-wing/progressive fascist movement.

Listening to ABC Radio... They played a clip of him and that accent...

re: #122 J.S.

It's a slogan (just how far does that get one? think about it...does that mean that raping small children in one's bedroom is beyond the power of state intervention?)

Apples and oranges. The state has no business telling two concenting adults what they can do with each other in the bedroom. Involve a minor, and it is a crime, period, full stop. Ditto for the non-concential stuff.

Okay, fine - what is BC?

re: #135 IlyaUnion

Why do you think that is? Rupert Murdoch doesn't strike me as a creationist.

Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.

bbiab before I pop a vessel

Oh dear. Are we eating our own again today? I guess I didn't really need to stop at Arby's. :)

re: #144 Ford_Prefect

Mandy, you really need to stop holding your feelings in.. it's just not healthy./

She is maintaining her sass even with a sinus headache. I couldn't be prouder.

re: #110 MandyManners

Those who want power are sometimes those who don't need it.

I'd say those who want power are those who least deserve it...

:(

re: #146 tfc3rid

Listening to ABC Radio... They played a clip of him and that accent...

Gag! That accent. It'd be like hearing him and Henry Kissinger trying to do the old Abbott and Costello routine "Who's on First."

Yuck.

re: #148 Spare O'Lake

Okay, fine - what is BC?

Nirth control.

re: #149 Charles

Teaching creationism is against individual liberties?

re: #127 Dianna

Me, neither.

I guess it's easier to leave one's brain steeping in the tea pot. It's warm and soothing and dark.

Nice image!

re: #141 tfc3rid

Here is the WSJ link

Hedge Fund Live Blog - WSJ

Ack!

Waxman closes the session with big smooches to the hedge fund managers, the combined billionaire superwattage of which has left the Committee presumably blinded by the fundraising possibilities. Here is what he says: “Congress usually has trade associations here, and they speak in their self-interest. That’s why we wanted to have you here, to get an unfiltered response.” Oh, boy. If Waxman believed the managers were not speaking in their own self-interest, it just highlights how much more Washington needs to understand how Wall Street communicates.

Democrats scare me.

While (some) republicans obsess over gay marriage and religious-political agendas, we are sinking.

In other news, Bill Gates is being questioned by the low-level employees at Microsoft.
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re: #157 WrathofG-d

Teaching creationism is against individual liberties?

Nope. But it's not exactly a great thing to have in the platform when you're trying to define the Republican party, ya know.

re: #122 J.S.

No, because that's a clear crime.

However, what two consenting adults do in a private place (provided the bruises fade after a week, and so on) is absolutely no one's business but their own.

"I don't give a damn what people do, provided they don't do it in the streets and frighten the horses."

Question for the group.

Reagan was a very religious man...was he a creationist?
Any facts on his beliefs?

This is not a set-up question...I don't know the answer.

Sununu's going to be out of work. What do you all think of him?

re: #147 Honorary Yooper

Exactly. That was my point -- too frequently, all the caveats will be thrown out (such as, well, what about minors? what about sadism? what about rape? etc, etc. -- so, the more nuanced items (that is, those items where you'd wish to see government involvement) gets thrown out -- my point being that the slogan "the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation" refers only to certain cases, not all).

re: #136 subsailor68

You know things are grim when the best thing you can say is:

Wow! The DOW's only down 7 right now.

Sigh.

I never thought I would be happy to see a flat market, but...............

re: #156 debutaunt

Nirth control.

Whew, thanks...for a minute there I thought it was something enjoyable.

re: #162 Dianna

Sodomy was a "clear crime" in 1967 in Canada when Trudeau made his statement.

re: #143 Dianna

I will remind you that Reagan was not actually a social conservative. Check out some legislation he signed as Governor of California.

But he governed as one as President.

re: #156 debutaunt

Nirth control.

Thanks, I was wondering myself. Not a common initialism in my experience, this is the first time I've run across it.

Yep. Time to hit the Army-Navy Surplus stores and stock up on the food and ammo.

Sigh.

re: #166 jorline

I never thought I would be happy to see a flat market, but...............

As I say (probably too often) - from your lips to God's ear. At least right now.

:-)

www.weeklystandard.com...] target="_blank">

The Taliban is urging the United Nations, the European Union, and the Red Cross to intervene to halt the execution of three Taliban fighters on death row. "We strongly request the U.N., the EU, the Red Cross and human rights groups to earnestly prevent this barbaric act," the Taliban said in a statement on their website, Reuters reported today.

Predictably, the United Nations and the European Union oppose the executions, "citing concern about the standards of judicial fairness."

One wonders if the irony is lost on the Taliban, the United Nations, and the European Union. The Taliban is guilty of some of the most atrocious crimes in recent history. One doesn't have to walk back very far to find such crimes.

For instance, yesterday two Taliban fighters poured acid on the faces of four schoolgirls in Kandahar. Their crime? Who knows. Some of the girls were wearing the full burkas. Perhaps because they went to school?

re: #5 Charles

Rick Santorum on Fox News again, advocating a hardcore return to social conservatism.

Santorum is a very active creationist, one of the most vocal supporters of the "intelligent design" hooey:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #149 Charles

Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.

At the risk of being labeled a 'sock-puppet' of Charles (on other websites), I will merely state: I have nothing to add.

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Oh..you want Talent? crap..
I do have a trick shot..behind the back with just a little spin to kiss the ball off the backboard. That's all I got Walter..*hangs head in shame* LOL

Big whoop. I can sink a ball in the right corner pocket (to the right of where I am standing) by kicking the cue ball up table toward the far right corner pocket, kicking it back to me (and pass me) to sink the target ball. :)

How about running the table one handed? How about running the table, one handed, don't touch the rail. My 3rd wife could do those two. She use to piss the guys off, progressively working up from a straight game to the trick stuff.

re: #157 WrathofG-d

Teaching creationism is against individual liberties?

Yes, it is. Whose creationism are you going to teach? What religion is this endorsing? It's very clear. It's intended to promote fundamental Christianity, and by teaching it to everyone's children -- which is exactly what Santorum tried to do with his amendment to NCLB -- you are violating their civil liberties, and the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to. If any.

Not to mention that it's anti-scientific, and destroys critical thinking skills, handicapping children and damaging American science education.

The Taliban Double-standard

re: #125 yma o hyd

That is what one can stake one's personal life on, no discussion about that.

However - no country can legislate for the tenets of particular religions.
Otherwise you'd have to discriminate against whole groups of people just because they do not agree with your particular interpretation of when, for example, Easter should be celebrated ...

That falls behind the achievements of the Enlightenment. You might as well establish a theocracy - which, btw, is strictly against Christian belief.

The point is that nobody must be discriminated against for their religious beliefs (or lack of them) - and thus, while they hopefully influence your behaviour, they should not be translated into general legislation.
Abortion being a case in point.

I understand your point and mostly agree. It's a very thin line we walk, but we already have legislated for the tenets of Christianity while refraining from establishing a state religion. Though not particular to Christianity, laws against murder/manslaughter are one example. Many muslim countries freely allow honor killings.

The question then becomes, "how do we maintain morality as a society without formally establishing a state religion as our moral code?".

re: #167 Spare O'Lake

Whew, thanks...for a minute there I thought it was something enjoyable.

The "c" didn't make any sense, did it.

Seriously, though, doesn't half of Congress work for Soros? That they should question HIM. I bet every (D) in the room is quaking, hoping he doesn't choke them from across the room with a wave of his hand.

re: #151 mama winger

Oh dear. Are we eating our own again today? I guess I didn't really need to stop at Arby's. :)

We could always retreat to extreme civility....

Not that you need help with that - you're always nice. I just periodically forget to be charitable.

re: #173 Kenneth

I urge the Taliban to go to hell.

re: #141 tfc3rid

Here is the WSJ link

Hedge Fund Live Blog - WSJ

One gem from that link:
"1:25 Rep. Cummings says the five managers are “richer than God,” and promises not to disclose their individual compensation, but each of them made $1 billion last year on average, he says. He notes that they are not taxed like normal citizens because they are taxed at lower capital-gains rates."

re: #149 Charles

Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.

Not that it matters, but I think that it happened the other way around. The fundamental Christians have taken over the GOP much the way the Secular Left have done to the Democrat party. The secular fiscal-conservatives have no where to go.

But the result is the same.

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

You have no problem with activist judges deciding at their own whim what is and what is not constitutional? If gays passed legislation that gave them the right to demand national affirmation of their relationships via government sanction then I would have nothing left to say. But they are undermining the institutions that have made this nation great, and you have no problem with it? It is at the core of conservatism that the court system is supposed to rule based on what the Constitution SAYS not on what they WANT IT to say.

re: #149 Charles

Because the GOP has a serious problem. The party has embraced fundamental Christianity to the detriment of individual liberties.

I agree, Charles. I feel the same way about "conservatism". I understand that the basic Judeo-Christian ideals have heavily influenced conservatism, but sometimes that aspect becomes too strong and blinds people to the idea of individual liberties.

re: #182 freedombilly

God bless the US & Canadian troops who are helping to send them there.

re: #158 yma o hyd

Nice image!

Borrowed from my friend Ruth, who frequently works with people who worry her.

re: #180 Taqiyyotomist

Seriously, though, doesn't half of Congress work for Soros? That they should question HIM. I bet every (D) in the room is quaking, hoping he doesn't choke them from across the room with a wave of his hand.

Darth Soros.

re: #156 debutaunt

Nirth control.

What do you have against Nirths?

re: #187 Kenneth

God bless the US & Canadian troops who are helping to send them there.

I could not have said it any better myself.

re: #163 jorline

He probably was, I wouldn't be surprised.

The only link I can find is from a creationist site....
Presidential Support for Creationism

OK, where was this Reaganomics side of Bush for the last two terms?

re: #190 Ford_Prefect

What do you have against Nirths?

I had a nirth football once. Impossible to control.

re: #170 Moe Katz

BC Glasses. Courtesy US Navy.

re: #176 Charles

Yes, it is. Whose creationism are you going to teach? What religion is this endorsing? It's very clear. It's intended to promote fundamental Christianity, and by teaching it to everyone's children -- which is exactly what Santorum tried to do with his amendment to NCLB -- you are violating their civil liberties, and the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to. If any.

Not to mention that it's anti-scientific, and destroys critical thinking skills, handicapping children and damaging American science education.

When you teach intellegent design in a science class you end up with students that can't design intellegently.

re: #168 J.S.

Sodomy was a "clear crime" in 1967 in Canada when Trudeau made his statement.

It should not have been. Most laws about who may do what, and with which, and to whom should never have been the business of a government. Any government.

Frankly, the only circumstance in which sodomy should be a crime is when it's non-consensual. Which - before you become pedantic - includes when a minor or a person who otherwise cannot give consent is involved.

re: #163 jorline

Question for the group.

Reagan was a very religious man...was he a creationist?
Any facts on his beliefs?

This is not a set-up question...I don't know the answer.

Try these sites:
[Link: www.icr.org...]

[Link: www.rae.org...]

[Link: www.positiveatheism.org...]

re: #73 HoosierHoops

Simply go to the MS site and download the latest driver for the mouse..
It works..

It's not the mouse, it is Word. Excel is ok, the mouse works for everything else. Office Diagnostics has no solution. Even if I start Word, not use the mouse and Alt-F4 it closed, it crashes. It needs a bailout I guess.

re: #163 jorline

Question for the group.

Reagan was a very religious man...was he a creationist?
Any facts on his beliefs?

This is not a set-up question...I don't know the answer.

Whatever he was, he kept his views private. That's the whole point and why the Republicans will sink into oblivion if they keep promoting creationists, ID, nutters.

re: #195 Taqiyyotomist

BC Glasses. Courtesy US Navy.

Sorry, don't get it :(

re: #199 Max Darkside

It's not the mouse, it is Word. Excel is ok, the mouse works for everything else. Office Diagnostics has no solution. Even if I start Word, not use the mouse and Alt-F4 it closed, it crashes. It needs a bailout I guess.

SHOOT YER COMPUTER.

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Is pool a sport?
*running*
/ the finely tuned athletes that play pool..Cig's and booze.

re: #194 subsailor68

I had a nirth football once. Impossible to control.

And down right deadly when they got wet.

This is my take, for what it's worth, which may be very negligible.

A lot of folks aligned themselves with the Republican Party after 9-11 because we were the party that seemed to 'get it' on national defense. Some came from backgrounds that were Democrat or a-political or even quite liberal. They did not come to the Republicans because of our stance on social issues. They came because we are under attack.

Naturally, no one leaves who they are behind when they join something. You come with your background and your experiences. Many who admired the Republican position on national defense and the military were not so enamored with some of the other positions .

This is why I think we are having these tensions now - you have the folks like my who have been active in the Republican Party for thirty years and are conservative across the spectrum ( the old timers if you will) and people that I call the 'Post 9-11'ers. Some of this latter group seem astonished that when they joined the conservative Party, there were *gasp* strong conservatives already there. :)

We 've been saving you a place and we are glad to have you. But please do not tell us that we ourselves no longer belong. We've been holding down this fort for decades.

That's about it, I guess. Thanks for your time.

re: #190 Ford_Prefect

What do you have against Nirths?

Well, they like to get their little noses under the tent flap and all hell breaks out. Keep 'em controlled, I say.

re: #201 Moe Katz

Sorry, don't get it :(

That's the purpose of the glasses.

re: #161 subsailor68

Well, that is your opinion.

I don't necessarily believe Creation should be taught in schools, and I wholeheartedly do not believe that the D.I. should have any say in a school curriculum.

But with that being said, I have a huge problem with people's beliefs becoming automatically offlimits, and unacceptable in public. The marching towards some made-up division of Church & State for Government is actually just being used to discount any beliefs that have their basis in Religion.

For example. If a person has a rabid belief in homsexuality, he or she can put a poster advocating it in their classroom, teach it in their class, or otherwise involve it within their Governmental action. However if someone has an opposite belief toward homosexuality, they cannot hang a sign that states that Homosexuality is a sin!

Thus one belief is given greater credence within society, solely based on the fact that the other belief could be argued to be rooted in religion. Thus, as a society we are forced to accept one belief over the other.

The shell of religion is being used to stop freedom of speech.

re: #169 wright1

Not really. But he paid lip-service to the concept, just enough to keep the target voting bloc in line.

Cutting federal funding for abortion overseas was more a proper fiscal move than anything else.

re: #201 Moe Katz

Sorry, don't get it :(

OMG! Those look just like the "standard" glasses you'd get if the Navy filled your prescription (especially in boot camp).

re: #201 Moe Katz
OMG! LOL!

Birth Control, or BV glasses are those which the Navy will give you for free. Try getting laid wearing those...Hence, BC glasses!

re: #206 debutaunt

Well, they like to get their little noses under the tent flap and all hell breaks out. Keep 'em controlled, I say.

Quite amusing.

re: #212 rightside
Grr.. BV=BC

IMHO....

If candidates have to pass a James Dobson/Bill Donahue 'smell-test', we're in trouble.

re: #176 Charles

Yes, it is. Whose creationism are you going to teach? What religion is this endorsing? It's very clear. It's intended to promote fundamental Christianity, and by teaching it to everyone's children -- which is exactly what Santorum tried to do with his amendment to NCLB -- you are violating their civil liberties, and the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to. If any.

Not to mention that it's anti-scientific, and destroys critical thinking skills, handicapping children and damaging American science education.

And not to forget that this opens the door to introduce other religious POVs into the school curriculum. If Christian fundamentalists can do this, who is to nay-say the wishes of Wahabites in regard to the teachings of Islam as valid alternative to, say, history?

re: #203 HoosierHoops

Is pool a sport?
*running*
/ the finely tuned athletes that play pool..Cig's and booze.

It's at least equal to bowling on the 'sport' list.

re: #207 MandyManners

That's the purpose of the glasses.

The unattractiveness?

re: #218 Moe Katz

The unattractiveness?

NO SEX.

I just found out that the office I volunteered to run for in my local area went uncontested... Just a Dem running against nobody...

Wow... Incredible... Democracy (in)action...

I don't see what the problem would be if people would just act reasonably. I learned about multiple cultures in grade-school. When studying India, we learned about Hinduism, when studying the USSR we learned about Communism. Didn't turn me into a beef-eschewing Stalinite. When teaching about various cultures (including Western ones) then the fact that Creationism is part of various Judeo-Christian faiths should certainly be part of the curriculum. I'm not saying it should be taught as "science", of course. A little bit of tolerance (especially these days when multi-culturalism is the sine qua non of education) from everyone would be a welcome change.

re: #201 Moe Katz

Here's a definition from Urban Dictionary.

re: #212 rightside

OMG! LOL!

Birth Control, or BV glasses are those which the Navy will give you for free. Try getting laid wearing those...Hence, BC glasses!

Now I get it. But it's all a matter of fashion, to be serious. Those Buddy Holly glasses that are in style at the moment are plug-ugly to me.

re: #221 Lincolntf

I don't see what the problem would be if people would just act reasonably. I learned about multiple cultures in grade-school. When studying India, we learned about Hinduism, when studying the USSR we learned about Communism. Didn't turn me into a beef-eschewing Stalinite. When teaching about various cultures (including Western ones) then the fact that Creationism is part of various Judeo-Christian faiths should certainly be part of the curriculum. I'm not saying it should be taught as "science", of course. A little bit of tolerance (especially these days when multi-culturalism is the sine qua non of education) from everyone would be a welcome change.

I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.

re: #222 Taqiyyotomist

Here's a definition from Urban Dictionary.

Ha! I'd never heard that expression before.

re: #215 guitarguy

IMHO....

If candidates have to pass a James Dobson/Bill Donahue 'smell-test', we're in trouble.

Someone had better "smell-test" Republican candidates...because the 'media' will.

Look what we got when the Democrats quit sniffing...

re: #224 MandyManners

I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.

In comparative religion class. Tortoises and elephants.

re: #227 Moe Katz

In comparative religion class. Tortoises and elephants.

It's turtles all the way down.

re: #228 Honorary Yooper

It's turtles all the way down.

So they say....

re: #202 MandyManners

SHOOT YER COMPUTER.

I think that's a good ide... [BANG!]

/buzzt... crackle...

re: #208 WrathofG-d

I see, and agree with, what you're sayin'. My only point was wondering if it was something that needed to be included in the platform as we rebuild.

I'm sorry if I appeared to be downplaying your larger point. It wasn't my intention.

re: #221 Lincolntf

I don't see what the problem would be if people would just act reasonably. I learned about multiple cultures in grade-school. When studying India, we learned about Hinduism, when studying the USSR we learned about Communism. Didn't turn me into a beef-eschewing Stalinite. When teaching about various cultures (including Western ones) then the fact that Creationism is part of various Judeo-Christian faiths should certainly be part of the curriculum. I'm not saying it should be taught as "science", of course. A little bit of tolerance (especially these days when multi-culturalism is the sine qua non of education) from everyone would be a welcome change.

No one cares if creationism is discussed in a comparative religion course, or a philosophy course.

But that is NOT what people like Santorum, Jindal, and the Discovery Institute are promoting. They're trying to get this stuff taught in science classes, as science.

Which it is not.

re: #201 Moe Katz

No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.

re: #176 Charles

As to your 1st statement, as we have already exhausted your second point:

Teaching evolution to a child that parents who have Religious beliefs that teach them otherwise in public school also "violates the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to" insofar that it forces their children to be taught un-christian beliefs, and forces them to learn what they would probably consider a form of G-dlessness.

I do not defend teaching Creation in schools, and agree that these particular groups that are pushing for "I.D", have a hidden agenda. They should be kept very far away from this discussion. However that being said, I understand the Religious person's argument. Thus I would probably just not teach evolution either.

re: #224 MandyManners

I'm all for teaching various creation beliefs.

In the right class setting, sure. Like a philosophy class. But not in a science class.

re: #228 Honorary Yooper

It's turtles all the way down.

Actually, I believe the bottom turtle is standing on a buffalo.

re: #209 Dianna

Not really. But he paid lip-service to the concept, just enough to keep the target voting bloc in line.

Cutting federal funding for abortion overseas was more a proper fiscal move than anything else.

I do not agree with that but I will ask you this, do you acknowledge that Roanld Reagan was a deeply religious man who gave thanks to his Creator in earnest?

re: #197 Dianna

All I can say, is "O brother", to your statement: "Most laws about who may do what, and with which, and to whom should never have been the business of a government". (I wish to diagree with that sentiment -- however, it's beyond the scope of this blog to get into all the details. So, allow me to just conclude by reminding all and sundry that Canada permits marriage upon homosexuals, and homosexuals are protected under Canada's anti-hate speech codes, and that I have absolutley no qualms about homosexual marriage, nor about the requirement for all teachers -- including in elementary school -- to accept and promote gay marriage, gay lifestyles, etc., etc. End of topic.)

re: #234 WrathofG-d

As to your 1st statement, as we have already exhausted your second point:

Teaching evolution to a child that parents who have Religious beliefs that teach them otherwise in public school also "violates the rights of their parents to determine what religion their children are exposed to" insofar that it forces their children to be taught un-christian beliefs, and forces them to learn what they would probably consider a form of G-dlessness.

I do not defend teaching Creation in schools, and agree that these particular groups that are pushing for "I.D", have a hidden agenda. They should be kept very far away from this discussion. However that being said, I understand the Religious person's argument. Thus I would probably just not teach evolution either.

And we have a vote for ignorance!

re: #234 WrathofG-d

How is evolutionary theory an "unChristian belief"? Please explain.

re: #233 Dianna

No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.

What if they had money? Lots of it.

re: #233 Dianna

No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.

I respectfully disagree. She may not get a very good male, but she will get one.

I see ugly, poor guys by themselves all the time. I see violently unattractive women with children by the stroller-load.

re: #232 Charles

No one cares if creationism is discussed in a comparative religion course, or a philosophy course.

But that is NOT what people like Santorum, Jindal, and the Discovery Institute are promoting. They're trying to get this stuff taught in science classes, as science.

Which it is not.

I try to stay out of this and in this case I agree with Charles... Science with science and religion with religion...

However, they do teach Global Warming/Climate change in science class...

re: #178 eschew_obfuscation

I think you in the USA have done that very well indeed!

There is no point in wishing to delete the common history of the Western cultures which is based on the Judeao-Christian tradition.
Thats the way it is - and we all have the historic examples in memory ( I hope!) of how states treat their subjects - not citizens! - when they base their morality on something else.

re: #236 Charles

Actually, I believe the bottom turtle is standing on a buffalo.

Which buffalo? The city, or one of the Bills?

re: #233 Dianna

No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.

If they became fashionable and a few stars began wearing them that wouldn't be so. It's all fashion. Those are no uglier than the Buddy Holly frames that everyone seems to want this week.

re: #233 Dianna

No female will accept a date from a guy wearing those glasses. Should you be a female wearing those glasses, no one will ever make the slightest pass at you.

See, now there you are wrong. Unless she is wearing them on her chest, most guys won't even notice.

re: #110 MandyManners

It is really one of the biggest flaws in the American system of Government. People who want power are almost always people who should be kept as far away from power as possible. The more they want it, the more potentially dangerous they are when they get it.

It'd probably be better to select Congress by lot, kind of like a Jury, where people who don't want the power of the office are forced to accept it for a limited time. That wasn't practical when our country was set up, though, and there's no way you could make that great a reform to the Government now.

The American system of government is not a very good one. It just happens to be superior to any other system of government ever established in the 5000+ years governments have existed.

Hopefully it'll be good enough to survive the next 4-8 years.

re: #241 rawmuse

What if they had money? Lots of it.

A really big wallet?

re: #246 Moe Katz
I thought everyone wanted Sarah Palin frames now?

Can't we compromise?

While hot lesbians perform their sex acts in public, I'll read aloud a pamplet on creationisim, and the audience will get community service credit.

re: #249 MandyManners

A really big wallet?

One of the Three Big Things women like.

/ducking

re: #231 subsailor68

No need to appologize.

Personally the thrust of the Conservative party would be to undo the affect liberal decision have had on our schools, and create a place where neither religious, or un-religious values are pushed on the kids.

The problem that has been created however is the one that I discussed above. The system is set up where religious opinions are automatically being put "off limits", and discredited. With this environment, it is no wonder that our society is becoming more g-dless, more liberal, and more screwed up.

Just in case nobody else posted it yet...

A must read from John Perazzo of FontPageMag

re: #250 rightside

I thought everyone wanted Sarah Palin frames now?

Oh, that's so last week!

(just kidding)

re: #247 Ford_Prefect

True dat!