Ayers Book: Obama Was a ‘Family Friend’

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Politics • Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm PST • Views: 426

Former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers describes Barack Obama as “a neighbor and family friend” in the new edition of his book Fugitive Days.

Funny how this is only coming out now, isn’t it?

In a new afterword to his 2001 book, Bill Ayers, former leader of the 1960s radical group Weather Underground, describes President-elect Barack Obama as a “family friend” and denies he wished his group had set off more bombs in the 1960s.

Ayers, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, adds few new details about his relationship with Obama in the afterword to Fugitive Days: Memoirs of an Anti-War Activist. The book is being reissued this month.

“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.

(Hat tip: Ace.)

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1 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:13:21pm

No isn't this just a shocking (and timely) relevation.

2 Sizzlack  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:13:24pm

I guess in Chicago everyone that lives in your neighborhood is a 'family friend'.

3 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:13:25pm

What have we wrought?

4 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:13:36pm
5 vapig  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:13:39pm

What a shocker!

6 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:13:51pm

White washing, on a grand scale. ALmost comical, the coverups

7 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:14:32pm

Ah! So, we can unelect him now, right?

/

8 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:14:38pm

Well, there's Ayers, we can expect to hear from the Rev. Wright soon then...I would guess Rezko and ACORN will follow after that...

9 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:14:49pm

Even from all this way, in NZ, I can smell CHANGE!

10 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:15:17pm

re: #8 Desert Dog

Well, there's Ayers, we can expect to hear from the Rev. Wright soon then...I would guess Rezko and ACORN will follow after that...

Hopefully, Rezko is singing, not just talking.

11 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:15:31pm

How absolutely convenient. Still the press will idolize him, if anything, and we all know who's coming out of the woodworks next: Jeremiah Wright.

12 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:15:54pm

Well there is one good thing about Ayers. At least he doesn't live in NYC Metropolitan area. Sorry Chicago.

13 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:15:57pm

This motherfucker is going to laugh all the way to the bank.

14 winston06  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:15:58pm

Tragic...

15 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:16:04pm

OT - Please forgive the worsening of my already bad typos. I am using my laptop keyboard in a hotel room near Denver.

16 VegasRick  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:16:11pm

Buyers remorse sets in in 5...4...3...2...

17 MisterCookie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:16:13pm

Good thing the press knows better than us proles, and the right candidate was elected to office to save us from ourselves!

Overheard at work today(I work in the same building as the African American Student Affairs dept): **In a loving tone**-"Thank God Obama is our president...everything's going to work out now". The poor bastards actually think Obama gives a shit about them; that Obama will paternally watch over them and hand everything to them. I'm not sure whether I should feel pity or anger towards these naive idiots.

18 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:16:38pm

re: #13 David Simon

This motherfucker is going to laugh all the way to the bank.

Maybe he invested all his money in GM?

19 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:16:43pm

Here, buy this.

What is it it?

/just buy it!

20 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:16:46pm

It's a magic bus- you can get tossed under it and come out the other side unscathed.

21 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:17:10pm

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

It's a Family of friends,
A Family of friends...

--sly, those Family stoners


Sister Sledge, isnt it?

Actually, looking back, they were pretty Hot! Just cant visualise Billy Ayers coming in with a chorus.

22 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:17:36pm

re: #13 David Simon

This motherfucker is going to laugh all the way to the bank.

/I smell book contract

23 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:17:39pm

re: #12 Nevergiveup

Well there is one good thing about Ayers. At least he doesn't live in NYC Metropolitan area. Sorry Chicago.


Thank God.

24 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:17:41pm

How much you want to bet Ayres put the Obama reference in the book to sell more copies. I bet he sells more copies because of it too.

25 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:17:50pm
26 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:17:59pm

re: #13 David Simon

This motherfucker is going to laugh all the way to the bank.

That asshole should fork over any profits to the families of the people he and his merry band of terrorists killed...When I see pictures of that dickhead smiling, I want to give him a triple decker knuckle sandwich (with extra sauce).

27 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:18:09pm
denies he wished his group had set off more bombs in the 1960s

.

He's changed his mind?

28 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:18:42pm

re: #15 ArmyWife

OT - Please forgive the worsening of my already bad typos. I am using my laptop keyboard in a hotel room near Denver.

OT - Welcome to the Denver/Metro area. Bundle up, it's going down to 28 degrees tonight.

Walter in Golden, Co.

29 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:18:43pm

re: #24 gman

How much you want to bet Ayres put the Obama reference in the book to sell more copies. I bet he sells more copies because of it too.


God bless America, democracy and the capitalist spirit! Hope he spreads the wealth!

30 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:19:10pm
31 VegasRick  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:19:17pm

re: #21 A Kiwi Infidel

Sister Sledge, isnt it?

Actually, looking back, they were pretty Hot! Just cant visualise Billy Ayers coming in with a chorus.

Obviously pre breast enhancement era.

32 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:19:27pm

Ayers will now rise to greater prominence as will Rev. Wright.
Farrakhan and the NOI have already begun puffing themselves up into a lather.
Thanks, Obama.

33 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:20:04pm

"Now THIS is the Bill Ayers I once knew." - Obama

/ ?

34 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:20:11pm
35 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:20:18pm

re: #27 MandyManners

.

He's changed his mind?


If VB can try to change history about the Holocaust it cant be too big a shift to erase a small comment about not enough bombs, surely?
/ (for good measure)

36 irongrampa  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:20:37pm

Ya know, as more and more emerges about Obama, do you suppose that all the ones who want to "give him a chance" will realize just WHAT they elected?

37 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:21:05pm

re: #22 Killian Bundy

/I smell book contract

He does the interview circuit at the same time as his book is being reprinted. It's blatant self-promotion.

38 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:21:12pm

Just imagine the soft powdery questions Ayers will get on Good Morning America.

39 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:21:47pm

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

And for those of you too young to "get" #3, "A Family Affair" by Sly and the Family Stone.


Good Lord, you are correct, I saw Billy Ayers on bass!

40 Crusty  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:22:00pm

re: #27 MandyManners

.

He's changed his mind?

He probably only regrets the bombs because so many shit-for-brains members of his own terrorist gang blew themselves up.

41 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #37 David Simon

He does the interview circuit at the same time as his book is being reprinted. It's blatant self-promotion.

And i don't want to hear any more bitching from him how he is being hounded. What a hypocrite?

42 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:22:12pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Thanks! I am in Highlands Ranch now, here doing HR SWAT work at our Littleton plant. This is a very pretty area.

43 tedzilla99  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:22:43pm

It's going to be an endless parade of this type of stuff - a steady stream of stuff that should have been on the front page of every newspaper this election year - and nobody will care. This country is dying fast...the result of marxist-style public education and colleges.

44 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:23:05pm

re: #36 irongrampa
Not all, no. But many will.

45 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:23:07pm

re: #42 ArmyWife

Thanks! I am in Highlands Ranch now, here doing HR SWAT work at our Littleton plant. This is a very pretty area.

Lockheed Martin?

46 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:23:16pm

re: #27 MandyManners

.

He's changed his mind?

No, his publicist did.

47 irongrampa  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:23:46pm

I posit that after his inauguration, we'll commence living through a 4 year nightmare, and there's the certainty that the damage done will be irreparable.

48 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:24:02pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton
No. I work for a very EVVIIILLL Chemical conglomerate.

49 Geepers  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:24:11pm
“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.

WASHINGTON DC (Reuters) A spokesman for President-Elect Obama said today that "he was only eight-years-old at the time or, um, he didn't know of Ayers past activities, ... oh hell who am I kidding, Barry lied, now fuck off."

50 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:24:16pm

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

And for those of you too young to "get" #3, "A Family Affair" by Sly and the Family Stone.

Thanks! It's great that you keep up twenty-somethings in mind.

/what?

51 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:24:28pm

re: #48 ArmyWife

No. I work for a very EVVIIILLL Chemical conglomerate.

Coors? :-)

52 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:24:30pm

re: #48 ArmyWife

No. I work for a very EVVIIILLL Chemical conglomerate.

Got it. I can keep your secret. LOL.

53 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:24:40pm

re: #42 ArmyWife

Thanks! I am in Highlands Ranch now, here doing HR SWAT work at our Littleton plant. This is a very pretty area.

I know exactly where you are!

54 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:25:11pm

re: #39 A Kiwi Infidel

Good Lord, you are correct, I saw Billy Ayers on bass!

Well, then, at least he has decent taste in beer.

Oh, you mean...

55 seagreenroom  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:25:27pm

This is astonishing! Who knew?

56 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:25:54pm

After Good Morning America gives their blessing to Ayres and sprinkles the magic fairy dust on him, Wright will get an appt to see the Ministry of Truth, I mean Good Morning America for the same treatment.

The sky's the limit folks.

57 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:03pm

re: #38 NoSubmission

Just imagine the soft powdery questions Ayers will get on Good Morning America.

"Is it good to know that you and him are pals?"
"At the 'coming out party' for Barack that you hosted to launch Obama's campaign for Senator of Illinois, who came up with those lovely party favors? They were to die for!"

They can ask these questions and no one would bat an eye...

58 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:09pm

re: #51 Desert Dog

Coors? :-)

LOL. Leave Coors alone. It's not their fault they make piss-assed beer. And once or twice a week they smell up the town when they cook up a new batch. If you could smell beer brewing, you would stop drinking it.

59 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:11pm

Well Jets on the Pat's 10 yard line 3rd down

60 The Hoopster  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:42pm

re: #53 MandyManners

I know exactly where you are!

ahhh.the evils of GPS...

61 elevenbravo1969  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:44pm

This smug, grinning, murdering bastard...aaahhh - I've gotta self-delete the rest. Don't want to get hit with the 'ban stick.'

62 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:45pm

J E T S --jets jets jets
7-0

63 VegasRick  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:26:56pm

re: #38 NoSubmission

Just imagine the soft powdery questions Ayers will get on Good Morning America.

And with that said...I am starting a grassroots effort to point out the MSM bias and how they helped get this guy elected. Here is my plan, I am going to contact my local cable company and tell them that I no longer want (and tell them why) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. (all the lib media) those stations broadcast in my home. I will tell them that I want my current cable bill cut in half or I will cancel it altogether. What do you all think of my plan?

64 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:27:04pm

re: #47 irongrampa

It will be repairable - but it will be long road to do so. We need to hold the people pretending to be Republicans accountable to stop impending doom through social programs. Its hard to put the horse back once its left the barn - best just to not allow it from the get go to minimze damage.

65 Crusty  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:27:27pm

re: #36 irongrampa

Ya know, as more and more emerges about Obama, do you suppose that all the ones who want to "give him a chance" will realize just WHAT they elected?

2008, the birth of the "vote now, find out what you voted for later" method of selecting your President.

When people know more about how much the RNC spent on Sarah Palin's f-me pumps than they do about the disturbing extent to which Obama was associated with domestic terrorists, it's a sad, sad commentary on public awareness and the media.

66 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:27:29pm

You can see him with his wifey, rubbing his hands together, gleefully, saying, Well, honey, all our hard work has paid off! We've got them (USA) right where we want them. Let the destruction BEGIN!

67 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:27:30pm

I suspect the timing of all these "revelations" and events like his television appearance are all just coincidence? NOT!

68 The Hoopster  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:27:34pm

re: #62 Nevergiveup

J E T S --jets jets jets
7-0

please win..please

69 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:28:15pm

So, how long before we find out that, yes indeed, Ayers and Dohrn did in fact babysit the Obama children?

/see Malia, the yellow wire is connected to the timer like this

70 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:28:15pm

Now for another episode of "Great Mistakes In History!"

We take you now to the Nuremberg War Crime Trials and ask Hermann Goering a question.

Herr Goering, with the death of millions and the destruction of Europe, how will you defend yourself in your trial?

Goering : "I vill tell zem zat I was ordered to do zees things."

Roll forward and we find Herr Goering made a mistake! He should have said:

"Hitler was just a guy on my street."

71 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:28:21pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

I grew up in the Denver area, and until I discovered real beer while in Europe, I drank that stuff like crazy...Silver Bullets aplenty! And yes, all of Golden gets the hops and barley smell when the copper kettles are a cooking.

Do they still give out free ones on the tour?

72 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:28:26pm

re: #51 Desert Dog


Nope. But I would bet some of the stuff we make would be a taste equivalent!

73 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:28:46pm

My head hurts again.

74 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:29:33pm

re: #3 MandyManners

Let's see who gets cabinet nods before panicking. Right now, the biggest concern is stabilization of the economy.

They are not going to be any letters going out for us conservatives to report the train stations to be sent to relocation and re-eduction camps. Re-eduction can be done now with the internet.

75 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:29:41pm

re: #73 MandyManners

My head hurts again.

Take two aspirin and call us in the morning.

76 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:29:55pm

re: #53 MandyManners
I am so glad! Are you going to be knocking at my door soon? I have wine and brie!

77 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:30:13pm

re: #62 Nevergiveup

J E T S --jets jets jets
7-0

This is man who knows what's really important.//

78 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:30:25pm

re: #73 MandyManners

My head hurts again.

The One will heal you...look what he did for Ayers!

79 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:30:59pm

re: #17 MisterCookie

Good thing the press knows better than us proles, and the right candidate was elected to office to save us from ourselves!

Overheard at work today(I work in the same building as the African American Student Affairs dept): **In a loving tone**-"Thank God Obama is our president...everything's going to work out now". The poor bastards actually think Obama gives a shit about them; that Obama will paternally watch over them and hand everything to them. I'm not sure whether I should feel pity or anger towards these naive idiots.

Mr. Cookie -

As far as caring for African-Americans goes, as relates to the President-Elect, Remember the name of "MOBUTU SESE SEKO." That is all.

-S-

80 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:31:12pm

re: #71 Desert Dog

I grew up in the Denver area, and until I discovered real beer while in Europe, I drank that stuff like crazy...Silver Bullets aplenty! And yes, all of Golden gets the hops and barley smell when the copper kettles are a cooking.

Do they still give out free ones on the tour?

OT - yes, even day, 3-4 tours an hour, even in the dead of winter, there is a handful of tourists at least once an hour, in the little Coors mini-buses (short bus?) toddling around town and then into the bowels of the Coors plant. Funny, I never see them return. Coors motto "to serve man!"

81 Mauser  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:31:14pm

Is it true that Ayers carries around a Queen of Diamonds to show Obama at pivotal moments?

82 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:31:42pm

re: #77 calcajun

This is man who knows what's really important.//

I'm really a basball ( Yankees ) fan but I take what I can.

83 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:32:01pm

re: #73 MandyManners

My head hurts again.

Touch the TV when you see the smiling visage of Comrade Barry.

Seriously, time for Advil.

84 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:32:20pm

re: #81 Mauser

Is it true that Ayers carries around a Queen of Diamonds to show Obama at pivotal moments?

LOL

85 alexknyc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:32:20pm

re: #9 A Kiwi Infidel

Even from all this way, in NZ, I can smell CHANGE!

That's not change you smell...

86 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:32:23pm

re: #3 MandyManners

What have we wrought?

We haven't "wrought" anything. The MSM cover-up has perpetrated a massive fraud and is rubbing our noses in it.

87 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:32:58pm

Nothing new here except the blatant display of media bias in not reporting on these bozo's till after the election. The media threw this election and should be held accountable and here is how the conservative blogosphere should approach the issue. The conservative blogosphere should agree to a boycott on providing information and stories to the MSM, excluding FOX. Here is 'me reasoning mates. I know on the LGF we have a lot of good people doing good things and there will come a time when some of them will become a news item. (15 seconds of fame). At the news conference conservative blogger will announce that due to the media bias over the past decade and especially after the Y2K fiasco and the last election the conservative can no longer cooperate with the ethically challenged, and will only take interviews from serious news organizations and bloggers that show some balance and professional ethics in the reporting. If enough start adhering to the doctrine, the journalists will have some nasty surprises and we might get some sort of accountability out of the scurvey bilge-rats masquerading as journalists!
/tired of busting ass while journalists surf the fracken' web

88 tripletdad  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:33:24pm

I like that "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" remark I saw somewhere...

Now maybe others will get it.

89 McJenny50  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:33:27pm

Guess this sort of means BHO lied through his teeth

90 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:33:41pm

re: #64 ArmyWife

It will be repairable - but it will be long road to do so. We need to hold the people pretending to be Republicans accountable to stop impending doom through social programs. Its hard to put the horse back once its left the barn - best just to not allow it from the get go to minimze damage.

Funny thing today. Drudge links to Bloomberg with an article where President (Just passed a 700 Billion Stimulus Package and readying for another) Bush states that 'too much' government in the markets...

Courtesy of...? Too lil...too late, Pres.

/Do I laugh? Do I cry? Do I shake my head?...

91 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:33:48pm

I just came back from a great week in the Czech Republic and am happy to say that I set some Europeans (Czechs, Slovaks, Irish, and British) straight about Obama's lack of experience and how worried I am for America and for the Free World about his paper thin resume and very left wing background.
They acted as if this was a revelation to them!

92 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:33:59pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

I suspect the timing of all these "revelations" and events like his television appearance are all just coincidence? NOT!

Oh, come on now, Walter, aren't you more interested in what sort of dog the girls probably won't be getting?

93 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:00pm
94 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:09pm

re: #81 Mauser

Is it true that Ayers carries around a Queen of Diamonds to show Obama at pivotal moments?

Good one.

95 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:22pm

I'm gonna' curl up with Len Deighton for a while. I can handle the Cold War. bbl

96 VegasRick  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:23pm

re: #87 LoFlyer

Nothing new here except the blatant display of media bias in not reporting on these bozo's till after the election. The media threw this election and should be held accountable and here is how the conservative blogosphere should approach the issue. The conservative blogosphere should agree to a boycott on providing information and stories to the MSM, excluding FOX. Here is 'me reasoning mates. I know on the LGF we have a lot of good people doing good things and there will come a time when some of them will become a news item. (15 seconds of fame). At the news conference conservative blogger will announce that due to the media bias over the past decade and especially after the Y2K fiasco and the last election the conservative can no longer cooperate with the ethically challenged, and will only take interviews from serious news organizations and bloggers that show some balance and professional ethics in the reporting. If enough start adhering to the doctrine, the journalists will have some nasty surprises and we might get some sort of accountability out of the scurvey bilge-rats masquerading as journalists!
/tired of busting ass while journalists surf the fracken' web

re: #63 VegasRick

And with that said...I am starting a grassroots effort to point out the MSM bias and how they helped get this guy elected. Here is my plan, I am going to contact my local cable company and tell them that I no longer want (and tell them why) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. (all the lib media) those stations broadcast in my home. I will tell them that I want my current cable bill cut in half or I will cancel it altogether. What do you all think of my plan?

I'll try again.

97 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:36pm

The Ayers connections really did not effect Obama at all. It made people on the right crazy, but the left did not care and neither did all the "centrists". It will be interesting to watch what happens to all the people that poured all of their hopes and dreams into this man when he not only fails to deliver, but turns out to be a ill prepared and weak president. I would look for not only evey bad guy in the world to try and run all over him, but his "friendly" congress will surely teach him a lesson in political power once he takes office. I may be wrong, and he may still surprise me, but I am guessing he is not up to this job.

98 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:52pm

re: #87 LoFlyer

... The conservative blogosphere should agree to a boycott on providing information and stories to the MSM, excluding FOX. ...

Why exclude Fox?

99 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:34:58pm

Unfortunately, even if Ayers was found golfing with Obama, Wright writes a tell-all, and Rezko throws him under the bus,

This will be forgotten in 4 years. Judging by the election results, it may not have even mattered if it came out 3 months ago.

100 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:35:25pm

re: #92 SpartanWoman

Oh, come on now, Walter, aren't you more interested in what sort of dog the girls probably won't be getting?

And I am sure the are "strongly" considering Public schools also?
/

101 CharlieBravo  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:35:46pm

Hey, Chicago is a small town, everybody knows everyone.

102 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:35:47pm

re: #81 Mauser

Is it true that Ayers carries around a Queen of Diamonds to show Obama at pivotal moments?

Bill Ayers is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. ///

103 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:36:11pm

re: #89 McJenny50

Guess this sort of means BHO lied through his teeth

Ya think?

104 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:36:14pm

And faced with a full blown charismatic Marxist, a fact obvious to anyone who took the time to look, we countered with John McCain.

/what were we thinking?

105 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:36:14pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

OT - yes, even day, 3-4 tours an hour, even in the dead of winter, there is a handful of tourists at least once an hour, in the little Coors mini-buses (short bus?) toddling around town and then into the bowels of the Coors plant. Funny, I never see them return. Coors motto "to serve man!"

My friend that went to Mines had a t-shirt that showed a bunch of forest critters pissing in Clear Creek with the brewery in the background. The shirt said: "Downstream Beer"

106 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:36:24pm

re: #90 Oh no...Sand People!

I saw that. Then I sent an email saying, and I quote, Ya think?!?

It won't get read. But I felt better.

107 logboy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:36:27pm

"I told you so" just doesn't do justice.

108 CynicalConservative  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:36:28pm

re: #89 McJenny50

Guess this sort of means BHO lied through his teeth

Shocka!

109 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:37:00pm

re: #95 MandyManners

I'm gonna' curl up with Len Deighton for a while. I can handle the Cold War. bbl

Enjoy the game, set and match.

110 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:37:12pm

re: #96 VegasRick
And with that said...I am starting a grassroots effort to point out the MSM bias and how they helped get this guy elected. Here is my plan, I am going to contact my local cable company and tell them that I no longer want (and tell them why) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. (all the lib media) those stations broadcast in my home. I will tell them that I want my current cable bill cut in half or I will cancel it altogether. What do you all think of my plan?

Well I think you will be saving the money you now shell out for cable.

111 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:37:26pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Why exclude Fox?

FOx is a neutered toothless sort of animal designed to make people think they are being represented in the media. Pox on em

112 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:37:34pm

re: #92 SpartanWoman

Oh, come on now, Walter, aren't you more interested in what sort of dog the girls probably won't be getting?

Ah, no. I wouldn't give a fuck if Michael Jackson was moving his whole Neverland zoo to the White House front lawn. Thriller.

113 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:07pm

re: #91 Joel

I just came back from a great week in the Czech Republic and am happy to say that I set some Europeans (Czechs, Slovaks, Irish, and British) straight about Obama's lack of experience and how worried I am for America and for the Free World about his paper thin resume and very left wing background.
They acted as if this was a revelation to them!

Were they hot?
/ducks under desk...

114 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:14pm

Change! you can get sick of.

115 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:25pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Why exclude Fox?

Here here..they are the worst offenders, imo.
Fox is to the MSM what Abbas is to the PLO

116 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:27pm

I'm noticing with dismay that there are actually registered LGF people who are dinging down the posts about Vlaams Belang. And some of them are the same people who ding down every post related to creationism.

I'm debating whether to block these people. I can't look into their minds and see their intentions for doing this, but it's disturbing.

I may just remove the rating buttons for front page posts, because to be honest it doesn't really affect my choices about the topics I post.

117 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:35pm

re: #111 SpartanWoman

FOx is a neutered toothless sort of animal designed to make people think they are being represented in the media. Pox on em

Well a pox on shep smith for sure but hell I gotta watch something?

118 Salem  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:37pm

Also funny how there are no calls for an investigation when a Dem is caught in a lie. In fact, any Republican who dares to point it out will probably face an investigation.

119 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:38:38pm

re: #110 Wishing

And with that said...I am starting a grassroots effort to point out the MSM bias and how they helped get this guy elected. Here is my plan, I am going to contact my local cable company and tell them that I no longer want (and tell them why) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. (all the lib media) those stations broadcast in my home. I will tell them that I want my current cable bill cut in half or I will cancel it altogether. What do you all think of my plan?

Well I think you will be saving the money you now shell out for cable.

Check out this group-- it was just started. It aims to punish the media where it matters most:

[Link: www.50millionamericans.org...]

120 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:39:08pm

I've sent an e-mail to the Boss,

Maybe it's time to brush up on the U.S Constitution.
And while were at it...
The Bill of Rights.

Thinking out loud...

121 CharlieBravo  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:39:11pm

re: #114 Van Helsing

Change! you can get sick of.

LOL ... too too true

122 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:39:16pm

re: #96 VegasRick

I'll try again.


A huge amount of conservatives are cops, fire and rescue, public service, who knows what and end up in the news. This is a chance for them to demand the same accountability and professionalism as demanded from them! Haar!

123 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:39:54pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Well a pox on shep smith for sure but hell I gotta watch something?

No you do NOT.
Sheesh.

124 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:40:08pm

re: #111 SpartanWoman

FOx is a neutered toothless sort of animal designed to make people think they are being represented in the media. Pox on em

Fox is a million times better (for all its faults - Alan Colmes) then any other network.

125 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:40:12pm

re: #116 Charles

That's disturbing. Are these "lurkers" or people who actually chime in, if I may ask?

126 Steffan  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:40:47pm

re: #79 Dr. Shalit

Mr. Cookie -

As far as caring for African-Americans goes, as relates to the President-Elect, Remember the name of "MOBUTU SESE SEKO." That is all.

-S-

Got a better (depending on your POV) one for you.

Robert Mugabe.

Nuff said.

127 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:40:48pm

Shepard Smith and Carl Cameron - the twin assholes of Fox.

128 Geepers  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:40:56pm

Liberal Talker Fired Over 'Joe The Plumber' Rant

The liberal talk-radio host who said in a vulgar, on-air tirade that he wanted Joe (The Plumber) Wurzelbacher "dead" is out of a job.

Examiner.com reports that Charles "Karel" Bouley was fired Tuesday. Michelle Malkin noted that Karel is "playing the victim card." He whined that the station has fired "the most prominent gay voice" in San Francisco and blamed an engineer for his vulgarities being broadcast during a news break in the show.

129 abolitionist  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:41:13pm
...and denies he wished his group had set off more bombs in the 1960s.

CHRONOLOGY OF BOMBINGS AND ACTIONS CARRIED OUT BY THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND ORGANIZATION

• 1969: October, Chicago. Bombing of Haymarket police statue to remember the Martyrs.
• 1969: December, Chicago. Bombing of Chicago police cars in retaliation for the murder of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark.
• 1970: March, San Luis Obispo. Liberation of Timothy Leary from the California Men’s Colony Prison.
[snip]

• 1975: January, Washington D.C. Bombing of the U.S. State Department.
• 1975: June. Bombing of Banco de Ponce ( a Puerto Rican bank) in support of the Puerto Rican struggle for self determination.
• 1975: September, Salt Lake City. Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation for its connections to Pinochet in Chile.

So maybe that denial wasn't a lie, eh?
/ msm mode off

130 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:41:19pm

BREAKING NEWS:

OBAMA RELEASES STATEMENT ON WILLIAM AYERS' CONNECTION CONFIRMATION

"Oh, that Bill Ayers..."

131 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:41:31pm

re: #116 Charles

Up dinged..just to spite them.

132 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:41:55pm

re: #127 Joel

Shepard Smith and Carl Cameron - the twin assholes of Fox.

Smith wears so much makeup on set, you could ski on his face. The slippery slope of journalism.

133 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:42:08pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup
I think Shep is handsome in an odd sort of way. His eyes too wide spaced for his head, but its intriguing. Plus I have this thing for guys with unusual names.

so glad I got that off my chest finally. ;)

134 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:42:09pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Why exclude Fox?

Yaaar, I seriously thought about it mate, I do not watch the news but get FOX web site and they were the only one supporting McCain. The headlines were better than the stories though! AP is a poor news source...

135 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:42:16pm

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Well a pox on shep smith for sure but hell I gotta watch something?

Try old movies, I hear netflix has no late fees

136 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:42:20pm

re: #119 astronmr20

Check out this group-- it was just started. It aims to punish the media where it matters most:

[Link: www.50millionamericans.org...]

Spot on, eagle50!

137 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:42:39pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader
LOL

138 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:43:15pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Smith wears so much makeup on set, you could ski on his face. The slippery slope of journalism.

Smith's voice drives me insane.
Carl Cameron is an effing weasel.

139 VegasRick  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:43:27pm

re: #119 astronmr20

Check out this group-- it was just started. It aims to punish the media where it matters most:

[Link: www.50millionamericans.org...]

Thank you very much! Everyone should go to that site and sign up, instead of whinning and crying "what can we do!" DO SOMETHING PEOPLE!

140 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:43:36pm

Unfortunately, the majority of the voters do not read blogs (like LGF), but still get the bulk of their news from (what else?) CBS, NBC, and ABC. As a result, most of them wouldn't know Ayers from a dead woodchuck. If they did hear of Ayers from their news sources, it would have been "in passing" and presented to them in a most reassuring manner.

141 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:43:38pm

re: #133 ArmyWife

I think Shep is handsome in an odd sort of way. His eyes too wide spaced for his head, but its intriguing. Plus I have this thing for guys with unusual names.

so glad I got that off my chest finally. ;)

Well being a guy, I can honestly say: ha?

142 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:43:45pm

re: #88 tripletdad

I like that "The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" remark I saw somewhere...

Now maybe others will get it.

'dad' -

You probably saw it here first. AND - it was not my original observation, though I wish it were. IT ROCKS!

-S-

143 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:43:49pm

re: #118 Salem

Also funny how there are no calls for an investigation when a Dem is caught in a lie. In fact, any Republican who dares to point it out will probably face an investigation.

Getting caught lying is like winning a Purple Heart to the donks

144 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:44:01pm

Good evening, Lizards.

145 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:44:16pm

re: #128 Geepers

..and blamed an engineer for his vulgarities being broadcast during a news break in the show.


Sooo typical. ROFL

146 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:44:42pm

re: #116 Charles

I'm noticing with dismay that there are actually registered LGF people who are dinging down the posts about Vlaams Belang. And some of them are the same people who ding down every post related to creationism.

I'm debating whether to block these people. I can't look into their minds and see their intentions for doing this, but it's disturbing.

I may just remove the rating buttons for front page posts, because to be honest it doesn't really affect my choices about the topics I post.

I'd say let them stay on. They may be fools but if they have not abused others or advocated violence, they haven't broken the rules. I would advocate emailing them and finding out what they think on this matter.

147 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:44:42pm

7-3 jets. pats score on 43 yard FG

148 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:45:14pm

re: #116 Charles

I don't ding,

mostly I'm just a ding-dong..

149 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:45:27pm

Truth is, too many americans still get their news from the MSM. Standing in line at the bank today and MSNBC was on all of their flat-panel TV's. The reporters talking about Obama's preparations for the Whitehouse were like schoolgirls. You could see it in their eyes and on their faces every time they mentioned Him. ...and for some reason, they are still running polls about Sarah Palin and excitedly telling us how 52 percent of Americans don't want her to run for national office again.

All I could think about is how now that my eyes have been opened over the last 10 years or so of my life, that I should have taken the "blue pill." Knowing the truth about Obama and his ilk, and watching so many of my fellow Americans driving themselves off the cliff-- simply because they don't know the truth- is agonizing. I feel like I'm in the Matrix, and was awakened.. but today I just want to be put back in.

It's really wearing on me lately.

150 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:45:31pm

re: #133 ArmyWife

I think Shep is handsome in an odd sort of way. His eyes too wide spaced for his head, but its intriguing. Plus I have this thing for guys with unusual names.

so glad I got that off my chest finally. ;)

I think he finds women..boring.

151 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:45:50pm

re: #133 ArmyWife

I think Shep is handsome in an odd sort of way. His eyes too wide spaced for his head, but its intriguing. Plus I have this thing for guys with unusual names.

so glad I got that off my chest finally. ;)

Yes, but his weird personality sort of overpowers any looks he might have, to the point of nausea. (At least for me.)

152 Steffan  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:46:03pm

re: #116 Charles

As far as blocking them, it's entirely your choice -- we are your guests, after all.

As for the buttons? My vote is to keep them -- if nothing else, they're a good idiot detector.

153 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:46:35pm

re: #148 Nightwatch

I don't ding,

mostly I'm just a ding-dong..

[chuckle]

154 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:46:39pm

On Tammy Bruce there is a video of McCain on Leno being wishy-washy about this aides trashing Sarah Palin. He says 'it happens all the time in campaigns' - it does not happen to campaigns run with integrity. Now that he lsot I can go back to disliking John McCain.

155 swamprat  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:46:43pm

Ayers publicly admits he knows Barrack Hussein Obama?

I question the timing!

156 Bagua  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:47:17pm

"Family friend?" Not "Just some guy from his neighborhood?"
The first of a steady stream of "revelations!"

It is insanity to consider that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces will be a man whose unrepentant family friend bombed the Pentagon, the Capital, and the Police, and wouldn't rule out doing it again.

If this isn't a "clear and present danger" than what is?

157 twincitiesgirl  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:47:21pm

I wonder if he's friends with this fraud loving jerk.

Franken campaign sues for voter lists

/change! (the votes until I'm the winner)

158 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:47:27pm

Can the GOP stop nominating political imbeciles who can't or won't take the fight to the enemy?

159 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:47:33pm

Can't we just moveon?/

160 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:47:53pm

re: #149 astronmr20
...and for some reason, they are still running polls about Sarah Palin and excitedly telling us how 52 percent of Americans don't want her to run for national office again.

They will do ANYTHING to make Palin unelectable in '12.
Wont work. She will wipe the floor with the zero.

161 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:48:22pm

re: #149 astronmr20

Truth is, too many americans still get their news from the MSM. Standing in line at the bank today and MSNBC was on all of their flat-panel TV's. The reporters talking about Obama's preparations for the Whitehouse were like schoolgirls. You could see it in their eyes and on their faces every time they mentioned Him.


I think the behavior of the Media was so disgusting I cannot watch another news show outside of Special Report with Brit Hume (who is retiring soon) again.

162 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:48:35pm

re: #157 twincitiesgirl

I wonder if he's friends with this fraud loving jerk.

Franken campaign sues for voter lists

/change! (the votes until I'm the winner)

Keep counting until you get the right number.

/it's the Bonkey way

163 alexknyc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:48:41pm

re: #149 astronmr20

...and for some reason, they are still running polls about Sarah Palin and excitedly telling us how 52 percent of Americans don't want her to run for national office again.

The MSM and Democrats (but I repeat myself...) are terrified of her. She connects with the average voter and they're afraid, if they don't keep after her, she'll be back in 2012... and she'll win.

164 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:01pm

re: #158 SFGoth

Can the GOP stop nominating political imbeciles who can't or won't take the fight to the enemy?

Sorry we are now engineered to nominate sacrificial lambs. Although McCain was mutton

165 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:11pm

re: #154 Joel

On Tammy Bruce there is a video of McCain on Leno being wishy-washy about this aides trashing Sarah Palin. He says 'it happens all the time in campaigns' - it does not happen to campaigns run with integrity. Now that he lsot I can go back to disliking John McCain.

EXACTLY!
I remember early in President Bush's first term it seemed to be that mcCain was more anxious to be a maverick for its own sake, and he was really tearing into the president. I remember disliking him then, being disappointed he won the nomination, and then supporting him as better than Obama (and I still love Sarah).

166 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:20pm

re: #160 Wishing

...and for some reason, they are still running polls about Sarah Palin and excitedly telling us how 52 percent of Americans don't want her to run for national office again.

They will do ANYTHING to make Palin unelectable in '12.
Wont work. She will wipe the floor with the zero.

Did you see her in Miami today? She was very good! Exactly what we need.

167 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:30pm

One of the worst things about traveling is having to be bombarded at the airport by CNN on every screen. There ought to be CNN free zones!

168 Geepers  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:31pm

SFGoth (#158),

The GOP didn't "nominate" anyone. Did you sleep through the primaries?

169 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:35pm

re: #116 Charles

I may just remove the rating buttons for front page posts, because to be honest it doesn't really affect my choices about the topics I post.

It helps you identify the people.

170 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:49:54pm

re: #162 Killian Bundy

Keep counting until you get the right number.

/it's the Bonkey way

No, its the Chicago Way.

171 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:50:07pm

re: #104 Killian Bundy

We were trying to be centrist, always a good thing.

And now, the election, which is a mirror to the country, shows how much the trivia of skin color still does count.

I guess we have to learn some lessons as a group & if there is some miracle and Obama is a really excellent president we will learn what?

But I don't think we will learn whatever would be the above lesson.

Back Later.

172 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:50:13pm

Saw a headline Newsweek I think "Can Obama Save Capitalism?" Puke. Yeah, probably by tomorrow, after all Mo Dowd thinks everything is better already.

173 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:50:21pm

The one good thing about Alan Colmes having a disproportionately hot wife is that he has to live with her incessant giggling.

174 mattm  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:50:28pm

No shit Sherlock.

175 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:50:32pm

re: #154 Joel

On Tammy Bruce there is a video of McCain on Leno being wishy-washy about this aides trashing Sarah Palin. He says 'it happens all the time in campaigns' - it does not happen to campaigns run with integrity. Now that he lsot I can go back to disliking John McCain.

I did all I could to drag him over the finish line though I couldn't stand the guy...I look back and find out he was pulling at dirt and grass the whole way...

176 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:50:54pm

re: #165 goddessoftheclassroom

EXACTLY!
I remember early in President Bush's first term it seemed to be that mcCain was more anxious to be a maverick for its own sake, and he was really tearing into the president. I remember disliking him then, being disappointed he won the nomination, and then supporting him as better than Obama (and I still love Sarah).


If I saw McCain I would say to him "Hey John how did that Maverick shit play with your friends in the media once you became the GOP candidate against their God?"

177 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:51:04pm

re: #158 SFGoth

Can the GOP stop nominating political imbeciles who can't or won't take the fight to the enemy?

Why would they. The GOP is owned by the same special interests that the Dems are. I don't understand how Americans can still believe that the people who are in Washington represent us in any way.

It's sort of like still believing in the tooth fairy. It's a myth. It doesn't exist. They are not working for us anymore, and there is nothing we can do to change it short of a new civil war.

I really believe that, and I am not afraid to state that.

178 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:51:05pm

re: #167 Joel

One of the worst things about traveling is having to be bombarded at the airport by CNN on every screen. There ought to be CNN free zones!

Soon will be Obama TV and you'll be begging for CNN>

179 BBev  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:51:06pm

re: #116 Charles

I'm noticing with dismay that there are actually registered LGF people who are dinging down the posts about Vlaams Belang. And some of them are the same people who ding down every post related to creationism.

I'm debating whether to block these people. I can't look into their minds and see their intentions for doing this, but it's disturbing.

I may just remove the rating buttons for front page posts, because to be honest it doesn't really affect my choices about the topics I post.

Charles I remember the old days here at LGF,(Very fun times) I would not cancel them, let them play there games till they come forward and post (If they have the spine to do so) and if they brake the rules then ban them. We have not had any good trolls in a while that I can remember.

180 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:51:38pm

re: #156 Bagua

"Family friend?" Not "Just some guy from his neighborhood?"
The first of a steady stream of "revelations!"

It is insanity to consider that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces will be a man whose unrepentant family friend bombed the Pentagon, the Capital, and the Police, and wouldn't rule out doing it again.

If this isn't a "clear and present danger" than what is?

Keep in mind that since 'surfacing' he's been a professor of education - one of those lofty folks that helps set the curricula of the education industry. His primary focus isn't so much on educating as indoctrinating so that students can be willing, useful idiots.

There's more than one reason he's had his lips glued to Hugo Chavez' ass.

181 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:51:42pm

re: #167 Joel

One of the worst things about traveling is having to be bombarded at the airport by CNN on every screen. There ought to be CNN free zones!

At work right now they have CNN on in the waiting area. I have to turn it down just to keep my sanity.

182 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:52:23pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Did you see her in Miami today? She was very good! Exactly what we need.

My neighbor told me about it (I dont watch TV, thankfully)
We need to verbalize our platform, loudly, clearly, and have people who actually EMBRACE it as candidates.
Palin does this...WELL, and has already been scrutinized down to the last millimeter by the MSM, and frustrates their blood-lust.

183 opinionated  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:52:25pm
“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.

All that Obama was accused of...and denied.

If you look closely at these words, right there, you can see both Ayers and Obama giving the American people their middle finger.

184 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:52:27pm

re: #158 SFGoth

Can the GOP stop nominating political imbeciles who can't or won't take the fight to the enemy?

That was a big problem.

/God bless John McCain but he played Candyland while the other side played for keeps

185 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:52:50pm

re: #150 Wishing

You think he has a bit of sugar in his step?

(not that there is anything wrong with that...)

186 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:00pm

re: #175 Oh no...Sand People!

I did all I could to drag him over the finish line though I couldn't stand the guy...I look back and find out he was pulling at dirt and grass the whole way...

In retrospect I should have written in Charles or someone

187 Ojoe  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:09pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

The best news comes in on the carrier wave of silence, like in a monastery.

Bye, dinner time, see you all later.

188 cavallino_rampante  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:11pm

Clearly this is guilt by association!

189 FortunateSon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:17pm

I ask myself:

Is it possible for something to be both completely predictable and utterly unbelievable at the same time?

Because this sure is.

190 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:18pm

"I killed no one, and I harmed no one, and I didn’t regret for a minute resisting the murderous assault on [Vietnam] with every ounce of my being,” Ayers writes."

Does anyone have the link to the list of Weather Underground attacks which occurred after the U.S. forces had left Vietnam, which puts the lie to this statement?

191 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:25pm

re: #160 Wishing

...and for some reason, they are still running polls about Sarah Palin and excitedly telling us how 52 percent of Americans don't want her to run for national office again.

They will do ANYTHING to make Palin unelectable in '12.
Wont work. She will wipe the floor with the zero.

I don't know, wishing.

They may have destroyed her.

192 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:29pm

re: #168 Geepers

SFGoth (#158),

The GOP didn't "nominate" anyone. Did you sleep through the primaries?

Is the GOP constitutionally obligated to allow cross-over voting in primaries? Couldn't it come up with a system of super delegates like the Dems? I don't recall Republicans causing the nomination of Bill Richardson.

193 twincitiesgirl  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:35pm

/bbl

194 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:46pm

re: #175 Oh no...Sand People!

I did all I could to drag him over the finish line though I couldn't stand the guy...I look back and find out he was pulling at dirt and grass the whole way...

John S. McCain a typical GOP Beltway Establishment wishy-washy candidate in the tradition of Gerald Ford, George H.W, Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush and just you watch - Jeb Bush in 2012. I am starting to believe in the concept of the Manchurian Candidate. The Establishment fears people such as Rudy Giuliani, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, et al because they do not go to the same Georgetown cocktail parties.

195 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:53:58pm

re: #184 Killian Bundy

That was a big problem.

/God bless John McCain but he played Candyland while the other side played for keeps

Sorry but I can't ask for a guy who gave us Obama to be blessed by anything. Day after day he did what it took to lose.

196 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:54:12pm

re: #111 SpartanWoman

FOx is a neutered toothless sort of animal designed to make people think they are being represented in the media. Pox on em

Exhibit "A" in support of the hypothesis; Mr. Sheppard Smith.

197 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:54:13pm

re: #160 Wishing

...and for some reason, they are still running polls about Sarah Palin and excitedly telling us how 52 percent of Americans don't want her to run for national office again.

They will do ANYTHING to make Palin unelectable in '12.
Wont work. She will wipe the floor with the zero.

Why is this activitiy surroundiing Sarah Palin beginning to look like some particularly ugly high school election?

198 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:54:30pm

re: #185 ArmyWife

You think he has a bit of sugar in his step?

(not that there is anything wrong with that...)

Fact, dear.

199 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:54:44pm

re: #172 kansas

Saw a headline Newsweek I think "Can Obama Save Kill Capitalism?" Puke.

Fixed.

200 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:54:53pm
201 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:54:55pm

re: #196 calcajun

I get he feeling lately that he's auditioning for his next job at another network.

202 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:08pm

re: #172 kansas

Saw a headline Newsweek I think "Can Obama Save Capitalism?" Puke. Yeah, probably by tomorrow, after all Mo Dowd thinks everything is better already.

You are kidding me.

Despite her slant, I still respected her as a writer. She thinks it's "all better now?" REALLY?

203 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:13pm

re: #190 jaunte

"I killed no one, and I harmed no one, and I didn’t regret for a minute resisting the murderous assault on [Vietnam] with every ounce of my being,” Ayers writes."

Does anyone have the link to the list of Weather Underground attacks which occurred after the U.S. forces had left Vietnam, which puts the lie to this statement?


Posted above at #129

[Link: www.diyzine.com...]

204 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:28pm

re: #197 FloridaAnole

Why is this activitiy surroundiing Sarah Palin beginning to look like some particularly ugly high school election?

Because the MSM is full of sophomoric assholes?

205 swamprat  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:31pm

Bbbbut...Obama said they were just on the same committee! He was eight years old when Ayers went a-bombing.

He was in his forties when he knew Ayers was a blood-splattered revolutionary commie activist...and that's the truth. Commie per Ayers' own book, Prairiefire...blood splattered by his own admissions...

206 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:31pm

re: #155 swamprat

Ayers publicly admits he knows Barrack Hussein Obama?

I question the timing!

swamprat -

Biblically OR metaphorically?

-S-

207 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:33pm

re: #191 astronmr20

I don't know, wishing.

They may have destroyed her.

Not a chance.
This is one tough woman.

208 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:55:45pm

re: #203 Oh no...Sand People!

Thanks. My apologies for not reading through the thread...

209 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:56:03pm

re: #188 cavallino_rampante

Clearly this is guilt by association!

Well, this is clearly changing a story midstream. Some folks call it lying, others may call it nuance. What do you call it?

And no one here is suggesting that Obama is guilty of anything, except knowing Ayers a little more intimately than he (or Ayers) have admitted to up to this point.

Do you understand that?

210 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:56:15pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

At work right now they have CNN on in the waiting area. I have to turn it down just to keep my sanity.

You have my sympathies. I cannot stand CNN particularly Nancy-Boy Wolf Blitzer and Curmudgeon Bastard Jack Cafferty.

211 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:56:45pm

re: #190 jaunte

"I killed no one, and I harmed no one, and I didn’t regret for a minute resisting the murderous assault on [Vietnam] with every ounce of my being,” Ayers writes."

Does anyone have the link to the list of Weather Underground attacks which occurred after the U.S. forces had left Vietnam, which puts the lie to this statement?

Yeah, he's a pretty typical moonbat. Violence is unacceptable! (except in service to MY cause)

Cognitive Dissonance.

212 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:56:48pm

re: #173 David Simon

The one good thing about Alan Colmes having a disproportionately hot wife is that he has to live with her incessant giggling.

Especially when gets in bed.///

213 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:57:15pm

re: #197 FloridaAnole

Why is this activitiy surroundiing Sarah Palin beginning to look like some particularly ugly high school election?

Make her unelectable, is a command issuing from the Zero's inner sanctum, my guess.

214 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:57:18pm

re: #194 Joel

John S. McCain a typical GOP Beltway Establishment wishy-washy candidate in the tradition of Gerald Ford, George H.W, Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush and just you watch - Jeb Bush in 2012. I am starting to believe in the concept of the Manchurian Candidate. The Establishment fears people such as Rudy Giuliani, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, et al because they do not go to the same Georgetown cocktail parties.

Better not mention the BJ around here unless you want some divine retribution.

I like the visceral appeal of a Giuliani-Palin ticket. She comes out as the fierce momma bear protecting her cubs (us) and he's the fierce poppa bear protecting his honey bear (her).

215 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:57:36pm

I watched a little MSNBC today and I detect a bit of a change in attitude. The announcer wouldn't let the Democrat putz get away with blaming Bush and pointed out that Dems had the house and senate for 2 years. I was surfing, and almost fell out of my chair. Still couldn't stand to watch more though.

216 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:57:40pm

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

What is a 'ding"?

217 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:57:43pm

re: #176 Joel

If I saw McCain I would say to him "Hey John how did that Maverick shit play with your friends in the media once you became the GOP candidate against their God?"

Fortunately, he'll be too old to run again. So, who will be the next reach around across the aisle, "centrist" darling who the media will latch onto?

218 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:58:06pm

re: #207 Wishing

Not a chance.
This is one tough woman.

She's tough, but I see it in "republican" opinion all around me. People like her or hate her... and although it's not her fault and I think she's a good candidate, a polarizing figure like that.. (even though her polarization is invented)... is not a good move for a nomination.

219 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:58:18pm

The Lie of Omission
Among other common lies, we have the silent lie -- the deception which one conveys by simply keeping still and concealing the truth. Many obstinate truth-mongers indulge in this dissipation, imagining that if they speak no lie, they lie not at all.
Mark Twain

It's O-Liar from now on.

220 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:58:19pm

re: #116 Charles

I'm noticing with dismay that there are actually registered LGF people who are dinging down the posts about Vlaams Belang. And some of them are the same people who ding down every post related to creationism.

I'm debating whether to block these people. I can't look into their minds and see their intentions for doing this, but it's disturbing.

I may just remove the rating buttons for front page posts, because to be honest it doesn't really affect my choices about the topics I post.

Charles, please do not delete for this but there are a few of us totally bored with creationism and Vlads Blang thing. I believe in evolution on earth and will not change 'me mind so I am bored with it! Yes there is racism in many of the European Right wing orgs and it should be publicized but I felt very uncomfortable when the flame war waged last year. Racism is an uncomfortable fact of life. America has done wonders with racism, just look at the election of Obama and the pride in every black over Obama's victory gives testament to America being the greatest country in the world. So the question is does the LGF become the great champion of racial equality (Which it has) at the expense of losing our only European allies in Islamification of Europe. If their are other meaningful European non racist/anti-Semitics then we should identify and support them.
/I'm in a thoughtful mood tonight, mates!

221 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:58:43pm

re: #200 buzzsawmonkey

There is a coterie of people who practically never post here--i.e., never expose their own thoughts or opinions to challenge or criticism--but who trot about stealthfully dealing out dings.

I don't favor blocking the Dingleberry Brigade so much as forcing them out into the open to set forth, and/or defend, their clearly heartfelt positions.

It might sort of be like the Running of the Trolls at Pamplona, but even that would be amusing, if briefly.

Perhaps, have a 'Ding Box'...you hit the 'Ding' and a box opens up asking, 'Why do you feel this way?' Then they can put in their reasons. I don't know... just trying to think of something.
If they put in (*&(*&($@#@ or some incoherent lines...then the ding doesn't get posted... or they get banned. But, again, I don't know...

222 Pastorius  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:58:55pm

So tomorrow morning this pos is going to go on Good Morning America and tell everyone he never said he wish he had bombed more people.

Truth is inverted. History is erased.

And, we have to live with this?

Makes me sick.

223 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:59:38pm

re: #217 David Simon

Fortunately, he'll be too old to run again. So, who will be the next reach around across the aisle, "centrist" darling who the media will latch onto?

They'll find some nasty geriatric scorpion with a superficial R sewn on his chest. MAYBE, Arlen Specter if he's still alive

224 mrdj  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:59:42pm

Bill Ayers:
Yeah, Barak and I are old family friends from way back. I remember many a late night sitting at his kitchen table ''helping'' him polish up his biography!

225 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 5:59:49pm

re: #190 jaunte

Ayers tells the truth here. He specifically did not hurt or kill anyone. He leaves off that he supported and directed the violence. Details.

226 angst  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:06pm

re: #182 Wishing

My neighbor told me about it (I dont watch TV, thankfully)
We need to verbalize our platform, loudly, clearly, and have people who actually EMBRACE it as candidates.
Palin does this...WELL, and has already been scrutinized down to the last millimeter by the MSM, and frustrates their blood-lust.

I'm a Palin fan myself, but is being governor for another couple of years going to be enough for her to gain the experience she needs? What would she be doing after that since the President is extremely unlikely (to say the least) to tap her for any appointed post.

I will admit to being rather uneducated about the ins and outs of party politics.

227 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:15pm

re: #214 SFGoth

Giuliani (he was my mayor) would have devoured Obama in the debates. He would not have hesitated to go after Wright, the Hamas endorsement - all the stuff that McCain avoided. Too bad he ran such a bad primary campaign. If Jindal cleans up Louisiana and becomes a really good governor _ I will have no problems in supporting him. However the GOP Establishment will push Jeb Bush or next-in-line primopgeniture Mitt Romney.

228 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:24pm

re: #208 jaunte

Thanks. My apologies for not reading through the thread...

No problem.

What you say in #190 is spot on.

229 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:25pm
230 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:27pm

re: #222 Pastorius

So tomorrow morning this pos is going to go on Good Morning America and tell everyone he never said he wish he had bombed more people.

Truth is inverted. History is erased.

And, we have to live with this?

Makes me sick.


I just read the Politically Incorret Guide to the Civil War. Combined with Lincoln Unmasked, makes me wonder about history. Sometimes I think what I thought wasn't.

231 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:38pm

re: #214 SFGoth

Better not mention the BJ around here unless you want some divine retribution.

I like the visceral appeal of a Giuliani-Palin ticket. She comes out as the fierce momma bear protecting her cubs (us) and he's the fierce poppa bear protecting his honey bear (her).

Another rhino + the woman they already destroyed.

I can already taste defeat.

232 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:43pm

re: #218 astronmr20

She's tough, but I see it in "republican" opinion all around me. People like her or hate her... and although it's not her fault and I think she's a good candidate, a polarizing figure like that.. (even though her polarization is invented)... is not a good move for a nomination.

We have 4 years...well, 2 before things heat up in earnest. In that time, you will see a rejuvenated GOP and some top flight contenders waiting for the chance to SERVE this country.

233 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:45pm

re: #209 Walter L. Newton

Well, this is clearly changing a story midstream. Some folks call it lying, others may call it nuance. What do you call it?

And no one here is suggesting that Obama is guilty of anything, except knowing Ayers a little more intimately than he (or Ayers) have admitted to up to this point.

Do you understand that?

Hey re: #188 cavallino_rampante, are you going to answer my question above? (it appears we may have a troll here, get the stick ready).

234 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:00:52pm

Ok Everyone -

On the RIGHT COAST - time for Hannity and Colmes. Mrs. Colmes will be on tonight. Finally get to see what Monica Crowley's sister looks like.

-S-

235 Wilderstad  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:07pm

re: #128 Geepers

Best news I've heard all day!

236 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:17pm

re: #231 astronmr20

Another rhino + the woman they already destroyed.

I can already taste defeat.

Tastes like shit

237 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:19pm

re: #220 LoFlyer

Charles, please do not delete for this but there are a few of us totally bored with creationism and Vlads Blang thing. I believe in evolution on earth and will not change 'me mind so I am bored with it! Yes there is racism in many of the European Right wing orgs and it should be publicized but I felt very uncomfortable when the flame war waged last year. Racism is an uncomfortable fact of life. America has done wonders with racism, just look at the election of Obama and the pride in every black over Obama's victory gives testament to America being the greatest country in the world. So the question is does the LGF become the great champion of racial equality (Which it has) at the expense of losing our only European allies in Islamification of Europe. If their are other meaningful European non racist/anti-Semitics then we should identify and support them.
/I'm in a thoughtful mood tonight, mates!

It's his blog, and those things matter to Charles. LGF is not "supposed" to be anything.

238 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:29pm

re: #190 jaunte

"I killed no one, and I harmed no one, and I didn’t regret for a minute resisting the murderous assault on [Vietnam] with every ounce of my being,” Ayers writes."

What about his wife?

/she killed a police officer

239 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:33pm

re: #234 Dr. Shalit

Ok Everyone -

On the RIGHT COAST - time for Hannity and Colmes. Mrs. Colmes will be on tonight. Finally get to see what Monica Crowley's sister looks like.

-S-

Is that schmuck O'Reilly over?

240 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:33pm

re: #225 ArmyWife

The Lie of Omission technique is going to get a workout in the near future.

241 Desert Dog  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:34pm

re: #225 ArmyWife

Ayers tells the truth here. He specifically did not hurt or kill anyone. He leaves off that he supported and directed the violence. Details.

Yes, just like Osama Bin Laden never hurt a thing...his hands are as clean as the driven snow...

242 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:37pm

re: #198 Wishing

Oh well. It was just a passing thought. After all, I am a married woman and have appearances that must be maintained!

243 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:01:37pm

re: #234 Dr. Shalit

Ok Everyone -

On the RIGHT COAST - time for Hannity and Colmes. Mrs. Colmes will be on tonight. Finally get to see what Monica Crowley's sister looks like.

-S-

Here's a pic!

Image: whcbsix.jpg

244 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:02:24pm

re: #217 David Simon

Fortunately, he'll be too old to run again. So, who will be the next reach around across the aisle, "centrist" darling who the media will latch onto?

Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney or some other nonentity like Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

245 The Other Les  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:02:26pm

re: #215 kansas

I watched a little MSNBC today and I detect a bit of a change in attitude. The announcer wouldn't let the Democrat putz get away with blaming Bush and pointed out that Dems had the house and senate for 2 years. I was surfing, and almost fell out of my chair. Still couldn't stand to watch more though.

Charlie Yankee Alpha.

246 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:02:31pm

re: #227 Joel

Giuliani (he was my mayor) would have devoured Obama in the debates. He would not have hesitated to go after Wright, the Hamas endorsement - all the stuff that McCain avoided. Too bad he ran such a bad primary campaign. If Jindal cleans up Louisiana and becomes a really good governor _ I will have no problems in supporting him. However the GOP Establishment will push Jeb Bush or next-in-line primopgeniture Mitt Romney.

Dude, do not admit support for Jindal here. You should read some of Charles' stuff on him. You are forewarned. Americans do not want a small government theocracy any more than a big government one.

247 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:02:41pm

re: #225 ArmyWife

Ayers tells the truth here. He specifically did not hurt or kill anyone. He leaves off that he supported and directed the violence. Details.

He is like the Islamofascist leaders...don't have the guts to do themselves what they get their followers to do with the suicide belt.

248 SpartanWoman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:02:52pm

re: #214 SFGoth

Better not mention the BJ around here unless you want some divine retribution.

I like the visceral appeal of a Giuliani-Palin ticket. She comes out as the fierce momma bear protecting her cubs (us) and he's the fierce poppa bear protecting his honey bear (her).

If Palin wants to present as a "honey bear" she better stay in Alaska

249 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:02:58pm

re: #220 LoFlyer

You wish is Charles command. See new thread!

250 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:03:28pm

re: #217 David Simon

Fortunately, he'll be too old to run again. So, who will be the next reach around across the aisle around "centrist" darling who the media will latch onto?

251 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:03:32pm

re: #226 angst

I'm a Palin fan myself, but is being governor for another couple of years going to be enough for her to gain the experience she needs? What would she be doing after that since the President is extremely unlikely (to say the least) to tap her for any appointed post.

I will admit to being rather uneducated about the ins and outs of party politics.

Going from Gov to top of the ticket isn't out of line. Better she get her experience at the helm of Alaska than go to DC and be soiled by the chicanery there.

252 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:04:00pm

re: #214 SFGoth

Better not mention the BJ around here unless you want some divine retribution.

I like the visceral appeal of a Giuliani-Palin ticket. She comes out as the fierce momma bear protecting her cubs (us) and he's the fierce poppa bear protecting his honey bear (her).

(Are you trying to promote a nomination with a huge "creepy" factor or something?)

253 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:04:13pm

re: #223 SpartanWoman

They'll find some nasty geriatric scorpion with a superficial R sewn on his chest. MAYBE, Arlen Specter if he's still alive

/you know, that numbnuts was the only "Republican" that voted for Card Check the last time it came up

254 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:04:36pm

re: #233 Walter L. Newton


Obama IS guilty of associating with this [deleted unladylike word]. We should point that out to our guest.

255 Wishing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:04:47pm

re: #227 Joel

Giuliani (he was my mayor) would have devoured Obama in the debates. He would not have hesitated to go after Wright, the Hamas endorsement - all the stuff that McCain avoided. Too bad he ran such a bad primary campaign. If Jindal cleans up Louisiana and becomes a really good governor _ I will have no problems in supporting him. However the GOP Establishment will push Jeb Bush or next-in-line primopgeniture Mitt Romney.

Tap Romney for Finance Czar, but not Pres/VP. Too much baggage.

256 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:04:51pm

re: #231 astronmr20

Another rhino + the woman they already destroyed.

I can already taste defeat.

Rudy is not a RINO. HE is pro choice but so is a substantial part of the GOP (like myself) I suspect. Any law & order guy like R.G. is never a RINO.

257 Code Red 21  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:05:30pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

Why would they. The GOP is owned by the same special interests that the Dems are. I don't understand how Americans can still believe that the people who are in Washington represent us in any way.

It's sort of like still believing in the tooth fairy. It's a myth. It doesn't exist. They are not working for us anymore, and there is nothing we can do to change it short of a new civil war.
Ditto

I really believe that, and I am not afraid to state that.

258 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:05:45pm

re: #254 ArmyWife

Obama IS guilty of associating with this [deleted unladylike word]. We should point that out to our guest.

Probably a waste of time. Evidently a drive by troll who doesn't have the debating skills required to even piss into the wind.

259 stevieray  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:05:51pm

For those who want to watch the Jets-Patriots game, here's the link.

260 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #113 Oh no...Sand People!

Were they hot?
/ducks under desk...

They actually were open minded to the reasons why I was concerned about Obama.

261 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:06:10pm

The New Republican Party needs to be for less government regardless of the issue, so let's get off the abortion issue.

262 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:06:17pm

re: #244 Joel

Is there not one REAL republican available to us? I don't discount Sarah Palin and I don't think she was destroyed. The fact that THEY still have their panties in a bunch over this woman tells us she is a keeper.

263 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:06:18pm

re: #223 SpartanWoman

They'll find some nasty geriatric scorpion with a superficial R sewn on his chest. MAYBE, Arlen Specter if he's still alive

Yikes, Arlen Specter. Perhaps the only Senator who could out-condescend Biden.

264 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:06:19pm

re: #239 kansas

Is that schmuck O'Reilly over?

KS -

52 seconds over according to my time check for posting.

-S-

265 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:06:32pm

re: #257 Code Red 21

Eh, thanks for reposting that. Did you have a comment?

266 Cato the Elder  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:07:35pm

Well, Charles, one thing's for sure: the Obama team is doing everything it can to make sure no one working for the White House will have anything resembling a blot on his escutcheon by which the administration could find itself embarrassed.

For a Washington Job, Be Prepared to Tell All

There are 63 questions you have to answer with your application.

Among them: Do you or does anyone in your family own a gun?

Question 8: "Briefly describe the most controversial matters you have been involved with during the course of your career."

Applicants "must include any e-mail that might embarrass the president-elect, along with any blog posts and links to their Facebook pages."

More: "There are no time limits for some information, including liens, tax audits, lawsuits, legal charges, bankruptcies or arrests. Applicants must report all businesses with which they and their spouses have been affiliated or in which they have had a financial stake of more than 5 percent. All gifts over $50 that they and their spouses have received from anyone other than close friends or relatives must be identified."

And in case the first 62 questions don't cover everything, no. 63 states, "Please provide any other information, including information about other members of your family, that could suggest a conflict of interest or be a possible source of embarrassment to you, your family, or the president-elect."

A lawyer who worked for the Carter and Clinton transition teams is quoted as saying, "I am very happy I am not seeking a job in the federal government."

Has anyone here already posted about this?

It seems to me this will produce nothing but squeaky-clean, virtually perfect candidates. The question is, will such "perfect people be the best ones for the jobs? To err is human, and the more talented you are, the more likely you'll have pulled a boner or two in your career. Only people who never take risks can pass scrutiny like this.

One good thing is that the process does seem likely to weed out the sleazy lobbyists.

I wonder if Rahmbo had to fill out this questionnaire.

Discuss.

267 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:07:50pm

re: #237 astronmr20

It's his blog, and those things matter to Charles. LGF is not "supposed" to be anything.

And that is why I am engaging him as to the direction of the blog, Charles started the blog as anti-jihad and we are slowly morphing to a conservative centralist blog with a very strong bias against racism and anti-semitism, but we also do have a few members that cannot suppress their racism and bias in their posts which give LGF a bad name.

268 Maui Girl  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:07:53pm

re: #104 Killian Bundy

And faced with a full blown charismatic Marxist, a fact obvious to anyone who took the time to look, we countered with John McCain.

/what were we thinking?

Romney/Palin 2012?

269 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:08:01pm

re: #231 astronmr20

Another rhino + the woman they already destroyed.

I can already taste defeat.

Yes, Giuliani is a rhino. He's fierce and will gut you with his horn and then trample you. You know what, these days everybody except abortion extremists are *RINO*s. I'm a RINO, Charles is a RINO, Sharmuta is a RINO, what's the point? I'd rather be labeled a conservatarian than a Republican. No, a true RINO is someone who is Dem-lite. If you cut taxes, don't drink the environmental kool-aid, etc., you are not a RINO. If you want Dems to like you, then you're a RINO.

270 capitalist piglet  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:08:11pm

re: #119 astronmr20

Check out this group-- it was just started. It aims to punish the media where it matters most:

[Link: www.50millionamericans.org...]

Thank you for that link; I think we're going to have to do the things that are in power to do, and one thing we CAN do is punish the media for their breathtaking level of bias. I don't want things to be reported to favor the right. I'd settle for the damned TRUTH.

This bit with Ayers infuriates me. Personally I declare war on this media.

271 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:08:57pm

re: #227 Joel

Giuliani (he was my mayor) would have devoured Obama in the debates. He would not have hesitated to go after Wright, the Hamas endorsement - all the stuff that McCain avoided. Too bad he ran such a bad primary campaign. If Jindal cleans up Louisiana and becomes a really good governor _ I will have no problems in supporting him. However the GOP Establishment will push Jeb Bush or next-in-line primopgeniture Mitt Romney.

Jeb Bush was an outstanding governor of Florida, and I believe may have more on the ball than his brother. He was certainly way ahead of the guy we have now, Crist. My only reservation is that the dominance of one family in the Republican Party could effectively smother what is left of the rising new generation of GOP politicians (who are not Bushes). However, after 8 years as governor he seemed to give an indication that he'd had enough.

272 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:09:11pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

Do Barack and Michelle have to fill this out? Could be embarrassing.

273 jorline  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:09:38pm

On FOX now.

Obama has a litmus test for his cabinet applicants?
Seven page questionnaire. One of the questions is do you own a gun?

274 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:09:41pm

re: #255 Wishing

Tap Romney for Finance Czar, but not Pres/VP. Too much baggage.

Can we drop the Russian monarchy positions. Jeebus, it's weird. We know how that lineage ended.

275 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:09:52pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

I would have to ask: This embarresing email/blog post/facebook thing - what standard is being employed to judge embarrassing? May we use Biden as our benchmark?

276 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:09:57pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

Well, Charles, one thing's for sure: the Obama team is doing everything it can to make sure no one working for the White House will have anything resembling a blot on his escutcheon by which the administration could find itself embarrassed.

For a Washington Job, Be Prepared to Tell All

There are 63 questions you have to answer with your application.

Among them: Do you or does anyone in your family own a gun?

Question 8: "Briefly describe the most controversial matters you have been involved with during the course of your career."

Applicants "must include any e-mail that might embarrass the president-elect, along with any blog posts and links to their Facebook pages."

More: "There are no time limits for some information, including liens, tax audits, lawsuits, legal charges, bankruptcies or arrests. Applicants must report all businesses with which they and their spouses have been affiliated or in which they have had a financial stake of more than 5 percent. All gifts over $50 that they and their spouses have received from anyone other than close friends or relatives must be identified."

And in case the first 62 questions don't cover everything, no. 63 states, "Please provide any other information, including information about other members of your family, that could suggest a conflict of interest or be a possible source of embarrassment to you, your family, or the president-elect."

A lawyer who worked for the Carter and Clinton transition teams is quoted as saying, "I am very happy I am not seeking a job in the federal government."

Has anyone here already posted about this?

It seems to me this will produce nothing but squeaky-clean, virtually perfect candidates. The question is, will such "perfect people be the best ones for the jobs? To err is human, and the more talented you are, the more likely you'll have pulled a boner or two in your career. Only people who never take risks can pass scrutiny like this.

One good thing is that the process does seem likely to weed out the sleazy lobbyists.

I wonder if Rahmbo had to fill out this questionnaire.

Discuss.

cato -

Are you by any chance implying that the President-Elect could NOT be hired by the President-Elect? Inquiring minds would prefer an answer.

-S-

277 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:10:08pm

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

You wish is Charles command. See new thread!

Haaar! Fricken' fracken' Charles! I believe I will lay low in this thread mates!

278 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:10:25pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

I guess the effectiveness of the screen depends on what the applicant might be embarrassed by.

279 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:10:50pm

re: #263 David Simon

Yikes, Arlen Specter. Perhaps the only Senator who could out-condescend Biden.

Oh, Schumer easily.

280 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:10:55pm

re: #262 ArmyWife

Is there not one REAL republican available to us? I don't discount Sarah Palin and I don't think she was destroyed. The fact that THEY still have their panties in a bunch over this woman tells us she is a keeper.

We have been in worse times (the GOP ) before. Right after Watergate, we lost in 1992 and 1996 too. If Obama sucks as much as I fear he will be, then someone will step forward. I am more worried about the GOP Country Club Beltway Establishment sabotaging us with another Jeb Bush/JohnMcCan/George W. Bush/Bob Dole type of candidate.

281 Code Red 21  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:11:14pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Yes I said ditto but I didn't go down far enough before I typed it in. Sorry.

282 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:11:26pm

re: #274 SFGoth

Can we drop the Russian monarchy positions. Jeebus, it's weird. We know how that lineage ended.


Better than Klan references, like Finance Kleagle, or Reich references like Chancellor of Defense.

283 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:11:37pm

re: #277 LoFlyer

Was that you asking for Beetlejuice?

284 summergurl  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:11:45pm

re: #278 jaunte

I guess the effectiveness of the screen depends on what the applicant might be embarrassed by.

Nothing embarrasses them, they just want to have their story spin ready.

285 jorline  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:11:46pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

I don't think the President-elect could pass this test.

286 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:12:29pm

re: #280 Joel

We have been in worse times (the GOP ) before. Right after Watergate, we lost in 1992 and 1996 too. If Obama sucks as much as I fear he will be, then someone will step forward. I am more worried about the GOP Country Club Beltway Establishment sabotaging us with another Jeb Bush/JohnMcCan/George W. Bush/Bob Dole type of candidate.

Yeah, or Sarah Palin.

287 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:13:13pm

re: #284 summergurl

That doesn't sound like the Ayers I knew...
/

288 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:13:20pm

re: #41 Nevergiveup

I want him to feel a constant low level of fear every moment of every day.

289 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:13:38pm

re: #273 jorline

On FOX now.

Obama has a litmus test for his cabinet applicants?
Seven page questionnaire. One of the questions is do you own a gun?

No, but my bodyguards do.

290 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:13:48pm

re: #280 Joel
So I raise my hand for this job so long as we deploy my social experiment where we create the buzz. For disclosure purposes, I live right outside the beltway, and I am a bit Sarah Palinesque. I have lots of family members that embarress the snot out of me. But I am very much for small government, accountability and peace through superior fire power.

291 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:13:54pm

re: #287 jaunte

That doesn't sound like the Ayers I didn't know knew...
/

292 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:14:36pm

re: #291 kansas

Newspeakknowing

293 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:15:21pm

re: #280 Joel

We have been in worse times (the GOP ) before. Right after Watergate, we lost in 1992 and 1996 too. If Obama sucks as much as I fear he will be, then someone will step forward. I am more worried about the GOP Country Club Beltway Establishment sabotaging us with another Jeb Bush/JohnMcCan/George W. Bush/Bob Dole type of candidate.

Joel -

From what I have seen, Gov. Palin's panties are constructed of Carbon Fiber.
To that extent - GOOD - she reminds me of my Mom and some of her friends.

-S-

294 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:15:26pm

re: #279 SFGoth

Oh, Schumer easily.

Chucky Cheese is easy to deal with.

/just remember, never ever get caught between him and a camera

295 Steffan  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:15:46pm

re: #140 FloridaAnole

This has been going on for decades, actually. The first documented media-bias instance that I can think of, off the top of my head, occurred when Walter Cronkite said that the Vietnam War was unwinnable.

This was right after the Tet Offensive, which US and South Vietnamese troops won hands down -- the Viet Cong basically ceased to exist as an organization after that. The MSM coverage, however, made it look like we lost, badly.

They knew better -- Cronkite knew better -- but he didn't approve of the war, so he spoke out against it. His power to persuade was such that LBJ said something to the effect, "If we've lost Cronkite, we're finished."

Thankfully, we have other sources of information now.

For the moment.

296 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:15:49pm

re: #273 jorline

On FOX now.

Obama has a litmus test for his cabinet applicants?
Seven page questionnaire. One of the questions is do you own a gun?

That would imply you paid for it and have a receipt, so if you got it say in some other fashion, then technically do you own it?

297 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:16:23pm

re: #280 Joel

We have been in worse times (the GOP ) before. Right after Watergate, we lost in 1992 and 1996 too. If Obama sucks as much as I fear he will be, then someone will step forward. I am more worried about the GOP Country Club Beltway Establishment sabotaging us with another Jeb Bush/JohnMcCan/George W. Bush/Bob Dole type of candidate.

The problem is lack of strong conservative leadership by the Republican party. They are now the party of pussies, big government, big spending, poor leadership, and socialist ideas that do not work. This is not conservatism, this is socialist lite!

298 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:16:43pm

Anybody know if Al Franken has stolen the Minnesota Senate seat yet?

299 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:16:54pm

re: #17 MisterCookie

I'm not sure whether I should feel pity or anger towards these naive idiots.


A little of both, and a lot of "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Save your anger for the willing decivers who DO know what they do. And for the Deciever, who has convinced untold numbers of people that he doesn't exist.

300 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:17:00pm

re: #286 kansas

You know what - Sarah Palin was better then John McCain. After the way she was savaged by the MSM and pseudo conservatives (wondering if she wasa really Trig's mother) she would have to be crazy to want to run for POTUS. Fuck you Kathleen Parker, Fuck you George Nancy-Boy Will, Fuck you Colin Powell, Fuck you Heather MacDonald, Fuck you David Frum, Fuck you David Brooks, Fuck you Peggy Noonan. Sarah is a better human being then the sorry lot of you scumbags put together.

301 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:17:31pm

re: #283 jaunte

Was that you asking for Beetlejuice?

Never understood the movie mate, I could never watch more than a couple of minutes at a time!

302 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:17:50pm

re: #256 Joel

Rudy is not a RINO. HE is pro choice but so is a substantial part of the GOP (like myself) I suspect. Any law & order guy like R.G. is never a RINO.

I agree. I would NOT call him a RINO...and I am staunchly pro-life.

303 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:18:28pm

re: #267 LoFlyer

And that is why I am engaging him as to the direction of the blog, Charles started the blog as anti-jihad and we are slowly morphing to a conservative centralist blog with a very strong bias against racism and anti-semitism, but we also do have a few members that cannot suppress their racism and bias in their posts which give LGF a bad name.

To be honest, the creationism posts don't interest me much either, so I just skip 'em.

If I'm in the mood for "hardcore" anti-jihad, I hit up this site.

Remember, LGF is most popular for certain things that are more or less un-related to the anti-jihad cause... i.e. Memogate, etc.

304 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:18:34pm

re: #297 LoFlyer

I cannot disagree with you. But what about the GOP primary voter who gives you BoB Dole and John McCain?

305 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:18:36pm

re: #300 Joel

You know what - Sarah Palin was better then John McCain. After the way she was savaged by the MSM and pseudo conservatives (wondering if she wasa really Trig's mother) she would have to be crazy to want to run for POTUS. Fuck you Kathleen Parker, Fuck you George Nancy-Boy Will, Fuck you Colin Powell, Fuck you Heather MacDonald, Fuck you David Frum, Fuck you David Brooks, Fuck you Peggy Noonan. Sarah is a better human being then the sorry lot of you scumbags put together.

Which is why I would not want her to run. No way she can beat all of that. I agree with you 100 per cent.

306 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:19:29pm

re: #268 Maui Girl

Romney/Palin 2012?

Romney's a non-starter with "the Huckabee base".

/here's why

307 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:20:23pm

re: #303 astronmr20

To be honest, the creationism posts don't interest me much either, so I just skip 'em.

If I'm in the mood for "hardcore" anti-jihad, I hit up this site.

Remember, LGF is most popular for certain things that are more or less un-related to the anti-jihad cause... i.e. Memogate, etc.

I am with you. I skip the creationist and European rightists threads and go to the anti jihad and the idiotarian/anti idiotarian threads.

308 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:20:29pm

re: #298 kansas

Anybody know if Al Franken has stolen the Minnesota Senate seat yet?

Not yet.

/it's going to take a few weeks

309 kansas  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:20:32pm

re: #306 Killian Bundy

Romney's a non-starter with "the Huckabee base".

/here's why

As long as there is a Huckabee anything we are so screwed.

310 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:22:09pm

re: #306 Killian Bundy

Romney's a non-starter with "the Huckabee base".

/here's why

The Huckabee base I have no idea what those people are about. Romney sucks because it is his people 'working' for McCain who are spreading the shit about Sarah Palin thinking Africa was a country and spreading slander to that douche bag Carl Cameron of Fox News.

311 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:22:43pm

re: #306 Killian Bundy
And Huckabee is the last thing we need. His appears to be somewhat lacking an ethical compass.

312 jorline  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:22:58pm

Why is Gov. Rick Perry representing the GOP Governors? He introduced Palin earlier today and is on FOX right now.

Hell, I've seen more of Perry today on FOX than I have over the last two years and he's my Governor.

Rick Perry sucks.

313 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:23:23pm
314 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:23:29pm

re: #303 astronmr20

To be honest, the creationism posts don't interest me much either, so I just skip 'em.

If I'm in the mood for "hardcore" anti-jihad, I hit up this site.

Remember, LGF is most popular for certain things that are more or less un-related to the anti-jihad cause... i.e. Memogate, etc.

Haar, It's in 'me favorites now mate! What's new in the astronomy world, I see Phoenix is down due to winter and a monster sand storm that will surely degrade the solar panels...

315 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:23:54pm

How do we get Fred Thompson to bring his A game all the time? Or 80% of the time?

316 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:23:57pm

re: #312 jorline


Rick Perry sucks.

Seconded.

317 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:24:04pm

re: #312 jorline

Michael Steele on H & C now. From what I've seen he seems to be ok.

318 jorline  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:24:16pm

re: #296 kansas

That would imply you paid for it and have a receipt, so if you got it say in some other fashion, then technically do you own it?

precisely...what gun?

319 swamprat  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:25:21pm

Jeez! You could catch this guy eating a raw puppy right in front of the kid he'd just stolen it from. On tape. Kid crying.

Youtube heading; New President saves child from rabid dog!

The man is untouchable.
Bill Clinton can't touch his guy. I don't know why he would lie. He is above the truth. He is above lies. He is;


The Super Prez !

Savior of planets!
Leader of his own army!
He will save us from our guns!
He will tax the rich to give to the poor!
He will restore corporate America so that they will give us jobs!
He will force our bosses to give us medical insurance!
The economy will blossom!(As it does it all socialist countries)
We will abandon Iraq!
And bring peace to the Sudan!
We will assassinate residents of Pakistan!
But they won't mind because we will build them schools!
The Israelis and the Palestinians will lay down their arms and respect each others' cultures!
We will meet with terrorists without preconditions and they will stop terrorizing!
There will be cheap electricity from Clean-Coal-Technology!
But it won't matter because he will have bankrupted those dirty, nasty coal companies!

Good luck Obama! I know you have our best interests at heart. We're counting on you!

320 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:25:21pm
321 angst  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:25:26pm

re: #251 Wishing

Going from Gov to top of the ticket isn't out of line. Better she get her experience at the helm of Alaska than go to DC and be soiled by the chicanery there.

Agreed, but people acted like gov. of Alaska is nothing.
It would be nice to lay to rest that "she has no national experience" meme if possible.

322 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:25:28pm

re: #311 ArmyWife

And Huckabee is the last thing we need. His appears to be somewhat lacking an ethical compass.

Yeah, but they're there and they're square.

/in numbers too big to just ignore

323 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:25:58pm

re: #305 kansas

Sarah is too good a human being, wife and mother to want to go through that sewage again. Remember those rumors spread by that vile degenerate Andrew Sullivan that she was named as an adulterer in a divorce recored which turned out to be false? Sullivan the scum bag degenerate also claimed that she was not Trig's mother but that Bristol Palin was. Fuck'em all.
Dennis Miller thinks that ugly liberal women hate Sarah Palin because obviously she has a great sex life. he is probably on to something.

324 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:26:01pm

re: #315 ArmyWife
I don't think Fred has the "fire in his belly" to run for POTUS again, cause this last run wasn't a run it was a crawl.

325 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:26:52pm

re: #317 pingjockey


Michael Steele is a great guy. You will not find a nicer person. He does trend toward appeasing, though, sometimes to the detriment of the party. He is willing to listen to outside thoughts, heck, he even listened to me, so he very well could be convinced to change those behaviors.

326 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:27:17pm

re: #314 LoFlyer

Haar, It's in 'me favorites now mate! What's new in the astronomy world, I see Phoenix is down due to winter and a monster sand storm that will surely degrade the solar panels...

Yeah phoenix is toast.

Here's the hot astronomy news for today, and perhaps for much longer:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

327 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:27:17pm

Our immediate need is for a good RNC chairman.
STEELE STEELE STEELE

328 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:27:26pm

re: #317 pingjockey

Michael Steele on H & C now. From what I've seen he seems to be ok.

/Steele/Hunter would kick Obama's ass in 2012, you heard it here first

329 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:28:44pm

re: #304 Joel

I cannot disagree with you. But what about the GOP primary voter who gives you BoB Dole and John McCain?

It's interesting that neither party picked it's strongest candidate. Crossover socialist voters tipped the Republican scales in the Florida primary and the media ran interference 110 yards for the Obama campaign. We must make sure that nothing like 2008 is allowed to occur again with our media coverage. We must hold these guys feet to the fire and we haven't been doing it mates!

330 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:29:17pm

re: #325 ArmyWife
Cool. I just know everytime I see him, I am impressed. Maybe Steele/Palin or Palin/Steele for 2012. I want a candidate not afraid of the msm and not afraid to piss off the donks.

331 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:29:42pm

How's J.C. Watts on the nut-ometer? If he's ok, I'd rather have him Sooner than later. I just wish my first black president weren't a commie, and one with a mean streak. He's more Stalin than Lenin. Wonder who his Trotsky is.

332 jorline  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:30:27pm

re: #317 pingjockey

Michael Steele on H & C now. From what I've seen he seems to be ok.

Agree, I like what I see so far. I'm curious about as lot of his positions and where he wants to take the party.

333 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:30:38pm

re: #329 LoFlyer

It's interesting that neither party picked it's strongest candidate. Crossover socialist voters tipped the Republican scales in the Florida primary and the media ran interference 110 yards for the Obama campaign. We must make sure that nothing like 2008 is allowed to occur again with our media coverage. We must hold these guys feet to the fire and we haven't been doing it mates!

Also do not forget that no matter how bad Obama will be - the media, academia, Hollywood will all be running interference for him unlike Bush who was in their crosshairs from Day One.
Almost time for Life on Mars - love Gretchen Mol!

334 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:30:40pm

re: #323 Joel
I heard Dennis Miller say that this morning. He could be right. Women can be catty. There are many exceptions, I understand this, but the claws come out with vengance and they were swiping at Sarah. Ugly women are easier to take - look at the ones held as "competent" in politics if you need proof.

335 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:30:58pm
336 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:31:50pm

re: #334 ArmyWife

I heard Dennis Miller say that this morning. He could be right. Women can be catty. There are many exceptions, I understand this, but the claws come out with vengance and they were swiping at Sarah. Ugly women are easier to take - look at the ones held as "competent" in politics if you need proof.

San Fran Nan, Rosie O'Donut, most liberal women are dreadful.

337 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:32:31pm

re: #334 ArmyWife

Shrinkwrapped had an interesting take on the reactions to Sarah Palin:
[Link: shrinkwrapped.blogs.com...]
(scroll down to the "Did Michael Barone Make a Kinsley Gaffe?" story)

338 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:33:00pm

re: #334 ArmyWife

If a woman isn't post-menopausal, she'd better be ugly.
Sad, but too true.

339 David Simon  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:33:19pm

re: #297 LoFlyer

The problem is lack of strong conservative leadership by the Republican party. They are now the party of pussies, big government, big spending, poor leadership, and socialist ideas that do not work. This is not conservatism, this is socialist lite!

The problem is that the message is a lot harder to convey:

Core liberal message: "You're not a failure; your government failed you - and we're going to change that."

Core conservative message: "You live in the greatest country in the world. Quit whining, close your legs, get off your fat, lazy ass, stop buying things you can't afford and make something of yourself."

Which is the easier sell?

It's going to take strong leadership AND strong communication skills.

340 flutesnoot  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:33:22pm

Here's a story about the weather underground and the 1981 brink's robbery.
[Link: www.trutv.com...]

341 AceR  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:33:37pm

People who voted for Obama simply DO.NOT.CARE about Obama's relationships with Ayers, Wright, Rezco, Khalidi, Farrakan, etc...

If they knew about Obama's relationships with these
terrorists/thugs/racists/creeps/jerks before the election, then they simply continue to dismiss them now as harmless acquaintances. And there are some who voted for Obama who really don't know about these terrorists/thugs/racists/creeps/jerks who dismiss them now with the shrug of their shoulders and say "Who cares now? Obama was elected by a landslide and besides it's all water under the bridge."

Everyone who voted for Obama simply sticks their fingers in their ears and says "la..la..la...I can't hear you...la..la..la...".

But we all know that Obama's "acquaintances" will not be content to be side-lined these next 4 years. This is going to be quite a show, folks. Any bets as to which one of these "acquaintances" gets thrown under the POTUS bus first?

Popcorn, anyone?

342 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:33:45pm

My paranoid mind thinks that the Cloward-Piven strategy of "Overload" was applied to the Republican primary, by the folks who brought us Fannie/Freddie's implosion. By the folks who brought us the same Overload strategy with ACORN and voter registration. By the folks who use "mobies", and flood sites with "Hi, I'm a republican and I support [insert leftwing candidate here]."
Ron Paul especially. And McCain. And maybe a couple more. And we may not know the truth until the end of things, but I would bet dollars to doughnuts that this is the case. I'm betting RP was an invention of Soros, and it worked. Add 5 more candidates and you have a complete breakup of the party. Get a candidate in who doesn't want to win, but who can convince enough Republicans that he does, and it all seems to be on the up-and-up. But that's just my paranoid mind.
-Taq

343 Joel  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:33:49pm

One good thing since this election - I stopped watching most TV with the exception of the History Channel, History International, I don't miss the news at all.

344 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:34:49pm

re: #326 astronmr20

Yeah phoenix is toast.

Here's the hot astronomy news for today, and perhaps for much longer:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]


Very interesting mate, Wouldn't it be cool to be in low polar orbit over that thing! Wonder what that indicates for Saturn's magnetic fields?

345 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:36:17pm

re: #344 LoFlyer

Very interesting mate, Wouldn't it be cool to be in low polar orbit over that thing! Wonder what that indicates for Saturn's magnetic fields?

Can you say 2012?

346 FloridaAnole  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:36:46pm

re: #329 LoFlyer

It's interesting that neither party picked it's strongest candidate. Crossover socialist voters tipped the Republican scales in the Florida primary and the media ran interference 110 yards for the Obama campaign. We must make sure that nothing like 2008 is allowed to occur again with our media coverage. We must hold these guys feet to the fire and we haven't been doing it mates!

Florida has a closed primary system, (although there were persistent rumors of illegal changes of registration at the polls in - where else? - Palm Beach County). The deciding factor was Gov. Charlie Crist, after declaring he would be neutral in the primary, came out for McCain and began campaigning for him. The deciding factor was California, which has an open primary system, and where thousands of Dems and "Independents" (2/3rds of Independents are disgruntled Dems) voted for McCain, and effectively clinched the nomination for him.

347 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:37:29pm

any respect i had for mccain is gone. he should defend his running mate from these undeserved attacks. has he no idea how bad he looks?
i'm sure she knew she was in for hell from the libs and the msm but i bet this bs from the mccain camp was not what she was expecting.
she worked like a field hand to help mccain win.
he should reflect on HIS shortcomings and be thankful he had sarah on his team.
he's a grumpy bitter old fool.

348 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:37:33pm

re: #220 LoFlyer

Charles, please do not delete for this but there are a few of us totally bored with creationism and Vlads Blang thing.

Are you bored or is it that you do not agree with Charles on those 2 topics?
There's a big difference.

349 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:38:00pm
350 jorline  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:38:04pm

re: #332 jorline

Agree, I like what I see so far. I'm curious about as lot of his positions and where he wants to take the party.

PIMF a lot

351 Hobbes  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:38:27pm

re: #101 CharlieBravo

Hey, Chicago is a small town, everybody knows everyone.

And everybody is a crook! Get ready for National Chicago Politics!

352 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:39:19pm

re: #220 LoFlyer

Charles, please do not delete for this but there are a few of us totally bored with creationism and Vlads Blang thing.

Are you bored or is it that you do not agree with Charles on those 2 topics?
There's a big difference.

353 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:39:31pm

re: #302 wolfie

I agree. I would NOT call him a RINO...and I am staunchly pro-life.

wolfie -

For what it is worth - Roe v. Wade just might be a good idea - if observed. Disclaimer - I am - bottom line - "pro-life." - AND - Rowe/Wade allows unlimited abortion in the First Trimester - Homicide just the same - AND - Justifiable Homicide by majority opinion in this Nation. Second Trimester - States May Regulate - Per Later Court Opinions - NOT! Third Trimester - States May Ban - Per Later Court Opinions - NOT!
My Opinion - Let's go back to Roe v. Wade as originally decided.

-S-

354 Maui Girl  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:39:39pm

re: #149 astronmr20

You should tell your bank that you're gonna close your account if they don't start putting a reputable news organization on their TV's. Guess they're gonna have to start putting the station on SciFi.

355 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:40:18pm

re: #344 LoFlyer

Very interesting mate, Wouldn't it be cool to be in low polar orbit over that thing! Wonder what that indicates for Saturn's magnetic fields?

It's most likely a magnetic phenomenon and not gaseous, but it tells us we know only very little about the magnetic mechanisms of heavenly bodies.

We barely understand our own as it relates to our spinning iron/ nickel core, and what it all means for the "health" of a planet and the resistance of solar radiation.

356 Hobbes  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:40:24pm

re: #104 Killian Bundy

And faced with a full blown charismatic Marxist, a fact obvious to anyone who took the time to look, we countered with John McCain.

/what were we thinking?

Most of us didn't want him. We just knew we wanted BHO less.

357 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:40:40pm

re: #348 gman

Charles, please do not delete for this but there are a few of us totally bored with creationism and Vlads Blang thing.

Are you bored or is it that you do not agree with Charles on those 2 topics?
There's a big difference.

It matters to Charles, and it's his blog.

358 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:42:19pm

re: #354 Maui Girl

You should tell your bank that you're gonna close your account if they don't start putting a reputable news organization on their TV's. Guess they're gonna have to start putting the station on SciFi.

I was already busy arguing with the manager about the $6.00 fee they wanted to charge me for a cashier's check, when I already had 3 accounts there and paid interest to them each month from one of them.


Big banks don't get shit.

359 Mark1957  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:42:59pm
How's J.C. Watts on the nut-ometer? If he's ok, I'd rather have him Sooner than later. I just wish my first black president weren't a commie, and one with a mean streak. He's more Stalin than Lenin. Wonder who his Trotsky is.

I don't know who His Majesty's "Trotsky" will be, but, given what happened to the real Trotsky--he ended up with an ice axe in his brain-pan--he (she?) had better start looking over his shoulder immediately.

Image: Trotsky%20dead.jpg

360 nyc redneck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:43:09pm

re: #349 Iron Fist

Actually, LGF started basically as a place for tips and tricks in the web development world. Not a lot of commenters on most of the threads. That changed within days of 9-11. Go back and read some of the archives. LGF has changed greatly during the intervening years.

i so wish i would have known abt. LGF right after 9-11.
that was such a tuff time for me. i became a staunch conservative over night,
w/ no one to talk to. and of course a total inability to articulate my thoughts.
lol. very frustrating.

361 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:43:57pm

re: #335 Iron Fist

It's Charles' blog, so he can put up anything he damn well pleases. Leaving that aside, it is important that we vette our allies thoroughly. Look at the Militia Movement as an example. It was critical that we never allow even the hint of cooperation with the Klan, despite the fact that there is some common ground (on the gun control issue, for example) politically. Any taint of the Klan would poison the movement irreperably.

Likewise the Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis/white Supremacists in Europe. There is nothing that they bring to the table that would make up for the damage that they will cause the movement. We're going to be called racists and white supremacists no matter what, but so long as we don't allow there to be any truth to the accusation we can counter with the fact that our enemies are lying.

Give them the least little association with the racists, and they'll have enough of the truth in their accusations to thoroughly discredit us even though we aren't racists ourselves.

saying that we don't agree with them but we need them as allies isn't going to fly with the people who don't really keep up with what's going on. Our credibility will have gone to zero, and the more we try to justify ourselves, the worse it is going to look for us.

Some "allies" are radioactive. We'd never think of joining with the Klan, no matter how much they protested that they had changed. We don't give Kleagle Byrd any slack on his Klan affiliation even though that was decades ago. The same would apply to us. The Media are the enemy. If we allow them to, they will absolutely destroy us, and they will enjoy doing it.

Haar mate thanks for the input and a chance to debate! In my youth I saw crosses burning, segregated water fountains, bath rooms and restaurant's. I also had some very responsible parents who overcame their indoctrination to instill some values that they knew were right against the politics of the south.
I have some real issues with alignment with any of these groups arrayed against the LGF, but we need allies in Europe, and I am not seeing any mate!

362 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:45:02pm

re: #276 Dr. Shalit

cato -

Are you by any chance implying that the President-Elect could NOT be hired by the President-Elect? Inquiring minds would prefer an answer.

-S-


You have that right, sir. Obama couldn't pass security clearance for a low-level job in the State Dept.

363 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:45:03pm

re: #343 Joel

I quit TV about 5 years ago. I watch it sometimes when I visit a friend, but that's about all. Maybe about an hour a month I see. When you quit for that long, watching it makes you even more shocked. You see more. The propaganda is in the commercials, in the music behind the news articles, in the graphics, in just about everything. The less you watch, the sicker it will make you when you do...the more you notice its effects...it's like alcohol in that sense.

Television watching leads to ADHD, imho.
Television watching leads to an Obama presidency.
Television watching should be seen, as I've said here before, in the same light as crack-smoking, as paint-huffing, and as barnyard sex. People who do these things are rightly shunned, mistrusted, and offered professional help.

364 SFGoth  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:46:01pm

re: #346 FloridaAnole

Florida has a closed primary system, (although there were persistent rumors of illegal changes of registration at the polls in - where else? - Palm Beach County). The deciding factor was Gov. Charlie Crist, after declaring he would be neutral in the primary, came out for McCain and began campaigning for him. The deciding factor was California, which has an open primary system, and where thousands of Dems and "Independents" (2/3rds of Independents are disgruntled Dems) voted for McCain, and effectively clinched the nomination for him.

Yes but are open primaries mandated by state law? I vaguely recall a U.S. Supreme Court decision saying that parties had a right to closed primaries.

365 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:46:14pm

re: #337 jaunte
I don't know that I buy in to the "should have" argument more than the fact she went against the left's theory that everyone believes as they do. If everyone "does it", its OK, right? Its so much easier to dehumanize the baby being aborted if everyone stipulates it isn't really life. Along comes this woman who has proof that what was stipulated as not, is, in fact, a baby. A baby that smiles and loves, a baby that is loved. Justifying behavior suddenly became not so easy. Instead of facing this, it was so much easier to demonize the person who brought harsh reality to the table so that once again, the left could feel superior.

366 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:46:26pm

re: #361 LoFlyer


If that's a suggestion to Charles that he put aside his standards in order to "win some allies in Europe," then, no offense Lo, but you are in very close proximity to having your account deleted.

367 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:47:39pm

re: #360 nyc redneck

i so wish i would have known abt. LGF right after 9-11.
that was such a tuff time for me. i became a staunch conservative over night,
w/ no one to talk to. and of course a total inability to articulate my thoughts.
lol. very frustrating.

"nyc-rn" -

Me too - in '01, I was using computers at work - AND - studiously avoiding getting "online" personally. My bad.

-S-

368 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:51:00pm

re: #363 Taqiyyotomist

I quit TV about 5 years ago. I watch it sometimes when I visit a friend, but that's about all. Maybe about an hour a month I see. When you quit for that long, watching it makes you even more shocked. You see more. The propaganda is in the commercials, in the music behind the news articles, in the graphics, in just about everything. The less you watch, the sicker it will make you when you do...the more you notice its effects...it's like alcohol in that sense.

Television watching leads to ADHD, imho.
Television watching leads to an Obama presidency.
Television watching should be seen, as I've said here before, in the same light as crack-smoking, as paint-huffing, and as barnyard sex. People who do these things are rightly shunned, mistrusted, and offered professional help.

A thousand up-dings.

369 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:51:46pm

re: #348 gman

Charles, please do not delete for this but there are a few of us totally bored with creationism and Vlads Blang thing.

Are you bored or is it that you do not agree with Charles on those 2 topics?
There's a big difference.

I agree with Charles on the first but see no reason for it to be given the prominence given it to be a "dead issue", On the second, I would rather we directed our efforts to identifying and supporting fellow non-racial/ non anti-Semitic bloggers to fight the Jihad.

370 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:52:29pm

re: #365 ArmyWife

Yes, I thought that blogger had an interesting point: suppressed feelings about the human complexity of the issue drove the crazy-seeming demonizing of Palin. Keeping Trig was her choice, after all. They should not (logically) have been so disturbed unless something bigger was at work under the surface.

371 Taqiyyotomist  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:53:47pm

re: #368 astronmr20

heh. Thank you.

372 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:57:09pm

re: #353 Dr. Shalit

Yes, I do agree it would have been nice if the original Roe decision had not been augmented by the Doe one, which allows abortion on demand at all stages of pregnancy.

But I am foursquare opposed to Roe because
(1) it represents judicial activism at it deconstructionist worst
(2) it declares an absurdly spurious "right," one neither justified in Western tradition nor endowed by our Creator, thereby rendering the whole concept of "rights" moot (right=might?)
(3) it makes a federal case out of something that should be neither federal nor a (judicial) case...that is, the question should be left to the state legislatures (or popular referenda.)

373 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:57:37pm

re: #366 astronmr20

If that's a suggestion to Charles that he put aside his standards in order to "win some allies in Europe," then, no offense Lo, but you are in very close proximity to having your account deleted.

Haar, you misunderstand me mate! I am only suggesting identify and support European anti-jihad blogs that we can accept their racial and religious ideology as defined as non-racist and non-secular. Just thinking out loud and running through ideas.

374 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 6:59:57pm

re: #363 Taqiyyotomist

Agreed, although I certainly don't think barnyard sex is nearly as harmful as TV.

375 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:00:01pm

re: #361 LoFlyer

I have some real issues with alignment with any of these groups arrayed against the LGF, but we need allies in Europe, and I am not seeing any mate!

The decision has been made by Charles and very clearly articulated many times that LGF will not ally itself with the Eurofascist blogs. The problem with these groups is not restricted to the question of whether they are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel or holocaust deniers. The biggest problem with these groups is that they would fight the islamists by using fascist methods, including mass deportations, denial of individual liberties and perhaps much worse.
No room for "buts".
Lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

376 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:00:30pm

re: #369 LoFlyer

I agree with Charles on the first but see no reason for it to be given the prominence given it to be a "dead issue", On the second, I would rather we directed our efforts to identifying and supporting fellow non-racial/ non anti-Semitic bloggers to fight the Jihad.

Apologies, I think I misunderstood what you meant re: my #366.

Truth is, LGF has no actual stated "goal," and technically it's not Charles' "job" to search for and vet every like-minded blogger to form alliances with. He keeps his associations relatively few except for within the sphere of Pajamas Media and some others.

In reality, you might have a new blog pop up from Europe that seems right on the money, and then later find out they were aligned with un-savory characters. I.E. Fjordman of "gates." Truth is, he can't really "know" these people.. they are, afterall, invisible operators tapping away.

Having "allies" in Europe would not necessarily be a priority that would really help any "cause" as it relates to an anti-Jihad blogosphere in my humble opinion. It's more Charles' style to keep to himself and keep his own standards and reasons for running this site how he chooses.

377 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:00:38pm

re: #369 LoFlyer

I agree with Charles on the first but see no reason for it to be given the prominence given it to be a "dead issue", On the second, I would rather we directed our efforts to identifying and supporting fellow non-racial/ non anti-Semitic bloggers to fight the Jihad.

Why not send him an Email with your concerns?
To be honest, I'm getting bored of hearing everyone talk about how bored they are of 2 subjects in particular on LGF, especially because those 2 subjects, no matter how controversial in nature they may seem, have led to some fruitful discussions that I have learned a great deal from.

378 jaunte  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:01:23pm

re: #374 wolfie

Agreed, although I certainly don't think barnyard sex is nearly as harmful as TV.

How else will we get new barnyards?

379 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:01:52pm

re: #373 LoFlyer

Haar, you misunderstand me mate! I am only suggesting identify and support European anti-jihad blogs that we can accept their racial and religious ideology as defined as non-racist and non-secular. Just thinking out loud and running through ideas.

No worries.. I did mis-understand. Apologies (:

380 Maui Girl  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:01:52pm

re: #306 Killian Bundy

Romney's a non-starter with "the Huckabee base".

/here's why

I believe he has since said that he was wrong about his abortion stance.

381 Captain Jack  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:01:54pm

When Obama was first asked about Ayers: "oh he is just some guy from my neighborhood" and the media said okie dokie! nothing to see here.

382 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:02:15pm

re: #365 ArmyWife

Interesting analysis and, IMO, insightful.

383 gman  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:02:43pm

PIMF

the word "everyone" should be "people"

384 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:03:50pm

re: #372 wolfie

Yes, I do agree it would have been nice if the original Roe decision had not been augmented by the Doe one, which allows abortion on demand at all stages of pregnancy.

But I am foursquare opposed to Roe because
(1) it represents judicial activism at it deconstructionist worst
(2) it declares an absurdly spurious "right," one neither justified in Western tradition nor endowed by our Creator, thereby rendering the whole concept of "rights" moot (right=might?)
(3) it makes a federal case out of something that should be neither federal nor a (judicial) case...that is, the question should be left to the state legislatures (or popular referenda.)

wolfie -

Bottom line I agree with you - AND - notwithstanding Doe, a return to Roe - as decided - would be a major advance.

-S-

385 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:03:53pm
386 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:05:43pm

When I think about this soon-to-be 0 having the keys to the most powerful military and intelligence community in the world, It's all I can do to fight a wave of depression.

387 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:05:46pm

re: #378 jaunte

:D

388 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:07:12pm

re: #376 astronmr20

Apologies, I think I misunderstood what you meant re: my #366.

Truth is, LGF has no actual stated "goal," and technically it's not Charles' "job" to search for and vet every like-minded blogger to form alliances with. He keeps his associations relatively few except for within the sphere of Pajamas Media and some others.

In reality, you might have a new blog pop up from Europe that seems right on the money, and then later find out they were aligned with un-savory characters. I.E. Fjordman of "gates." Truth is, he can't really "know" these people.. they are, afterall, invisible operators tapping away.

Having "allies" in Europe would not necessarily be a priority that would really help any "cause" as it relates to an anti-Jihad blogosphere in my humble opinion. It's more Charles' style to keep to himself and keep his own standards and reasons for running this site how he chooses.

Some good thoughts and I appreciate the view point. Time to back off and see where Charles wants to go with this thing. As many have pointed out, if you don't like the thread, then shutup and stay out. And I appreciate Charles close to the chest approach to decisions. I am the way same way, but I do listen to what people tell me and make my decision based upon multiple recommendations.

389 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:09:21pm
390 Captain Jack  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:11:38pm

Maybe Obama can sign onto the "new world order" the brit pm is calling for! Yeah we'll have a new global currency and military...or better yet finance a military for the UN..wouldn't that be great! Obama could then become the leader of the whole world! Liberal nirvana!

391 michaelasher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:12:12pm

Even a broken alarm clock is right two times a day -- perhaps Jack Cashill will be redeemed!

392 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:12:58pm

re: #384 Dr. Shalit

If I were Queen of the GOP, I would command them to adopt a platform of Constitutional constructionism which declares that all of the "social" issues should be decided by the states in their legislatures or referenda and not by judicial fiat. (This is a Constitutional policy and does not in the least require belittling, much less purging, "social liberals.")

I want to be Queen! :)

393 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:13:39pm

re: #389 Iron Fist

Huckabee would have been a worse candidate than McCain. Huckabee was to Christian Socialist for my taste. I didn' tlike his approach on much other than his Second Amendment stance.

I do think that there is a movement in the works to position him for 2012. His new Fox show, and his new radio show are good vehicles for keeping him in the voter's thoughts for the next four years. I wish it were otherwise.

We are going to need better leaders than Huckabee or the present players. We need some smart savvy people who have conservative values and goals and not afraid to fight some adversity for it. The Republicans is a party of pussies, with a few exceptions like Palin and Jarrel.

394 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:14:18pm

re: #388 LoFlyer

Some good thoughts and I appreciate the view point. Time to back off and see where Charles wants to go with this thing. As many have pointed out, if you don't like the thread, then shutup and stay out. And I appreciate Charles close to the chest approach to decisions. I am the way same way, but I do listen to what people tell me and make my decision based upon multiple recommendations.

I understand.

All I'm trying to say is that Charles doesn't, and doesn't have to- answer to anyone. That's the nature of this beast. He's not going to stop posting about other issues that interest him.

395 astronmr20  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:14:47pm

re: #393 LoFlyer

We are going to need better leaders than Huckabee or the present players. We need some smart savvy people who have conservative values and goals and not afraid to fight some adversity for it. The Republicans is a party of pussies, with a few exceptions like Palin and Jarrel.

Indeed.

396 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:15:35pm

re: #389 Iron Fist

Or maybe he has the sense to realize that he was born for show biz, and NOT politics!

397 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:17:18pm

re: #394 astronmr20

I understand.

All I'm trying to say is that Charles doesn't, and doesn't have to- answer to anyone. That's the nature of this beast. He's not going to stop posting about other issues that interest him.

Just trying to engage Charles into a discussion over the issues. I enjoy debating or brain-storming a project or idea. You always end up with a superior product...

398 Bagua  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:18:01pm

re: #180 Van Helsing

Keep in mind that since 'surfacing' he's been a professor of education - one of those lofty folks that helps set the curricula of the education industry. His primary focus isn't so much on educating as indoctrinating so that students can be willing, useful idiots.

There's more than one reason he's had his lips glued to Hugo Chavez' ass.

As I respect the integrity of this site I'll not post my true thoughts on this "professor of education."

Among his other crimes against the government, society, the military and academia, the group he led has murdered police officers. He personally dedicated his book to a long list of cop killers and he adopted the child of a member under his command who murdered police officers.

It offends me to see him walking the world free, unpunished and unrepentant.

399 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:21:33pm
400 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:25:49pm
401 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:27:37pm

re: #399 Iron Fist

I'd prefer to see them treated strictly according to the Geneva Conventions - non-uniformed, armed enemy combatants have every right to a bullet in the head immediately upon capture.

402 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:30:38pm

re: #399 Iron Fist

By the time the Obamanation is done with them, neither our military nor our intelligance agancies will be as strong as they are now. They may still be the strongest in the world, simply by virtue of being so far ahead of the competition when he takes office. He's promised to gut the military, even made some noise about getting rid of our nuclear deterrant.

And he's on the record as saying that he wants Gitmo closed and terrorists treated like common criminals (i.e. no coercive interrogations). Exactly how he will continue the War (if, indeed, he will continue it) has been left comfortably vague. I'm not even sure he knows what he's going to do now that he has "caught the car", so to speak.

Iron I was never in favor of Gitmo, we should of held military trials and performed the sentences in Afghanistan. It's been six years since the invasion and capture of these guys. Let's implant GPS sensors on them and let them go. I think we would find some interesting things, and possibly lose up to 50 innocent civilians lost to Islamic terrorism unleashed from Gitmo. The terrorism reports would be suppressed but the US would win in the global prestige market with the MSM. Haar!

403 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:33:07pm

re: #400 Iron Fist

I can't say I disagree with you on any of the particulars. I'm bitterly disheartened with the Republican Party. They are supposed to be the adult Party, but they haven't shown that in years. If ever, really. The Republicans are the stupid Party. The Democrats are the evil Party.

I don't recall where I heard that first, but it's been put that way since before the '94 Republican Revolution. We're in desperate need of some real Leadership. I can't say we saw that from anyone other than Palin this election cycle.

I was inspired by McCain's speech when he was nominated, but he and Palin took a lot of fire from the media, and should have been blasting back instead of hiding behind the shrubbery...

404 Captain Jack  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:33:58pm

The bottom line is if Obama determines terrorists should be tried in regular criminal courts they will end up being released. The 250 committed terrorists that are left tell interrogators they cant wait to get out and kill Americans. Because most of their home countries allow torture we cannot send them home. There are 15 Chinese islamist fighters captured by us in Afghanistan that may be released to the custody of chinese families willing to take them in in washington DC. Can you imagine if methods and means of intelligence get exposed in an open criminal court where the committed terrorists end up being freed because rules of evidence were not followed or a chain of custody of the evidence cannot be verified. This is like a Law and Order episode liberal wet dream! Free Mumima!

405 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:37:33pm

re: #401 Van Helsing

I'd prefer to see them treated strictly according to the Geneva Conventions - non-uniformed, armed enemy combatants have every right to a bullet in the head immediately upon capture.


90 percent were guilty of spies under the Geneva convention and should of been executed after military trials. Better to have done the dirty deed up front than six years of media sniping. Newsweek can feel pride and professionalism in killing six innocent civilians in civil rioting by their unverified Gitmo/Koran flushing story.

406 Captain Jack  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:39:27pm

Maybe they can raise Johnny Cochran from the dead for the trial!

407 wolfie  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:41:41pm

re: #406 Captain Jack

Aaaaccckkk !

408 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:42:16pm

Time to check out mates, thanks for the discussion, and Charles feel free to b*tch-slap me if I piss you off. Just trying to engage you in discussion on the issues facing LGF.

409 theblakester  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:44:48pm

I want a mulligan!

410 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:45:14pm

re: #405 LoFlyer

I hope we don't run into the same issues that are showing up in England where they can't send them back to their home countries for fear of 'mistreatment'.

411 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:48:26pm

re: #410 Van Helsing

I hope we don't run into the same issues that are showing up in England where they can't send them back to their home countries for fear of 'mistreatment'.

van -

We already have as regards the Uighers - Personally, I would send them back to China in a heartbeat.

-S-

412 FrogMarch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:50:00pm

Funny how Obama lied, and got away with it.

413 FrogMarch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:51:18pm

Obama's skeletons would disqualify any other candidate.

414 theblakester  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:52:56pm

Can I please have my Mulligan?

415 warnergt  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:54:42pm

re: #266 Cato the Elder

...One good thing is that the [Obama vetting] process does seem likely to weed out the sleazy lobbyists.

Is there such a thing as a lobbyist who is not sleazy?

416 Van Helsing  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:56:05pm

re: #412 FrogMarch

The problem with True Believers is that for them the end does justify the means. And since the end is so obviously good for people, well they must accept it.

Even if it kills them.

417 Jack Reacher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 7:58:53pm
...denies he wished his group had set off more bombs in the 1960s.

Is the Legacy Media going to let him spew such filth? The New York Times quoted him (Ironically, September 11, 2001 edition) saying "We didn't do enough; I wish we'd done more" (paraphrasing). Now they're just going to parrot his denial that he ever said that, and act like that settles the matter?

UGH! I need a drink. That worthless excuse for a human Ayers should burn in hell.

418 leftover54  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:08:26pm

re: #24 gman

How much you want to bet A...s put the Obama reference in the book to sell more copies. I bet he sells more copies because of it too.

I think fishermen call it "chum". Just a bit to set up the bigger bite. Oh the irony - "Good Morning America" (spit ). Yeah, its a new day dawning. Milk it for all its worth you capitalist hating man of the people. Do tell.
...
In memory of:

Sgt. Edward J. O'Grady, Jr.
October 20, 1981
Nyack Police Department

Sergeant O'Grady was slain during the Brink's Robbery. He was one of four officers who created a road block at the entrance to the New York State Thruway. The Pearl River resident was shot five times. He was 33 years old.

PO Waverly L. Brown
October 20, 1981
Nyack Police Department

Officer Brown was slain during the Brink's Robbery shortly after being dispatched to the road block at the New York State Thruway in Nyack. Officer Brown was killed in the crossfire at the entrance to the New York State Thruway. He was 45 years old.
...
I don't want your name to appear in the same post as the names of these brave men so I will not type it . How you walk around free is beyond comprehension - you have no shame. No conscience. That you are paid to teach children is even more incomprehensible. You get to laugh maybe another 10 - 20 years. I hope you and your pals have enjoyed your lives - guilty as hell. May you (all) rot in Hell - for eternity.

419 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:13:14pm

re: #417 Jack Reacher

Is the Legacy Media going to let him spew such filth? The New York Times quoted him (Ironically, September 11, 2001 edition) saying "We didn't do enough; I wish we'd done more" (paraphrasing). Now they're just going to parrot his denial that he ever said that, and act like that settles the matter?

UGH! I need a drink. That worthless excuse for a human Ayers should burn in hell.

"JR" -

I - AS YOU - call HORSE HOCKEY! Was on "The Left" at the time - some weird stuff at least got discussed.

-S-

420 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:17:34pm

D.C. Chapter to Freep Obama 'Family Friend' Bill Ayers on Mon. 11/17/08 at 'Busboys and Terrorists'

Also, youtube has pulled the video of the undercover agent discussing how the Weather Underground planned genocide. Does anyone have a copy?

421 freedombilly  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:43:58pm

This is disgusting. If any member of MFM had taken half a second to investigate their relationship this wouldn't be news to anyone. What a joke. Spit.

422 Biff  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:49:59pm

Ayres on GMA: "Yes, I suggested to Barack that he not attend the anti-Apartheid rally that day at JFK. That we had bigger plans for him."

423 Biff  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:52:22pm

At least Obama wasn't caught getting a bj from an intern. Give him some credit. /sarc

424 Biff  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:54:54pm

We had Rudy and Mitt. They would have ripped O a new A. I kind of feel that JM was shoved down out throats, but I'm not sure by whom or why?

425 William  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:55:00pm

The nation has been cheated, deliberately deceived by the "mainstream" media.  Makes one both angry, and sad.

Imagine what the "mainstream" media would have discovered if they spent 1/50th the energy digging into the Chosen One's background, as they did with Sarah Palin.

426 William  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 8:57:09pm

re: #424 Biff

We had Rudy and Mitt. They would have ripped O a new A. I kind of feel that JM was shoved down out throats, but I'm not sure by whom or why?

By whom? Our broken primary process:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's time for a national vote, on one day, to select our candidates.

427 Gretchen  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 9:28:49pm

I'm wondering if the point of the questionaire required of Obama's future employees or appointees is to verify they DO have embarassing information (to blackmail them if need be) or radical connections, to help Obama. After all, any goody-goody types won't be comfortable with Obama's Chicago style dealings. Obama knows damn well the media won't expose anything really bad about one of his staff anyway, unless he wants them to do so.

428 leftover54  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 9:36:32pm

re: #368 astronmr20

I discovered this just before the first Gulf War. Driving in my car one day, I was flipping through the A.M. dial anxious to hear any "breaking news". I hit on this one NYC station and hear this guy saying we will kick the Iraqis butts in about a weeks time. When at home, I had been glued to the TV, night after night, CBS, NBC & ABC News, and all I heard was "But how will Americas military do on the field of battle when they no longer face Iraq's regular army but come face to face with Saddams 'Republican Guard' ?". Dan, Tom and Peter - all sowing the seeds of doubt and doom. After watching footage of "the road of death" I couldn't wait to find this guy again on the A.M. radio. He was SO confident of the outcome and, just as importantly, he was RIGHT. I've listened to Rush ever since. I haven't watched TV ( MSM) News since. The only channels I watch are the movie channels or the A&E/History etc. channels. There have been times of course when I've "checked in" on some of the standard "broadcast"channels and it just floors me how biased they are ! I can not listen to any of then for mire than a few seconds - literally. Like listening to nails on a blackboard. I've learned how to balance the remote in my hand and hit the mute/volume buttons with the finger of one hand while inputting a different channel selection with a finger from the other hand - simultaneously. The last TV sit com I watched was that "Tool Time" (Tim the Tool man or something ?) and the "Funniest Home Videos" (?) show ! Oh, I did watch a couple episodes of "The Sopranos". I've bought 50's/60's kids shows/commercials DVD's off ebay just to remember what our country used to be like. I know many barking moonbats are my age and grew up watching these same shows - I can't figure out exactly how and when our paths diverged. G_d I LOVE this country ! Just to be able to go back and visit for a few days ! I could even handle Walter (Cronkite). I think the Kennedy assassination did some irreparable damage to his psyche. How did I get to this ? Oh yeah, TV News. The "MSM". And the oasis in the dessert - LGF. Thank G_D (and Charles) for LGF !
Charles just doesn't realize (yet) he is the link to and from, an example of "Divine Inspiration", diligence on loan from G_d !
Just teasing ya there a little big guy ! You can take a little fun...

...am I still here ?

429 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 9:40:31pm

re: #216 Joel

Like I said, "Ding-Dong!"

Hello...whose there?

430 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 9:46:37pm

So, Charles,

thought about my blogg thesis?

Could be very educational at the lest, maybe even clarion in nature.

431 Adrenalyn  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:31:08pm

re: #158 SFGoth

Can the GOP stop nominating political imbeciles who can't or won't take the fight to the enemy?

I cannot believe no one has dinged you up

I agree 100%

bullies don't pick on people that fight back
even if they lose
the bullies stop
afraid that eventually they will get their nose bloodied

432 descolada9  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 10:50:00pm

To quote the theme song from the movie, Hardware:

"This is what you want,
This is what you get."

I'm going to be laughing/crying for at least the next four years...

433 Noah's Arrrgh  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:22:00am

One measure of the corruption of a political system is when the populace is completely indifferent to crimes committed by their leaders or their associates.

For example, most Russians would probably admit that Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned by the KGB on the behest of the government, specifically Putin. Unfortunately, though, this has not hurt Putin's popularity and in some circles may have made him more popular. This indifference to criminality gives Putin a free hand to do just about anything he'd like to.

This about this: Ayers was a guy who clearly conspired to murder hundreds of people, and among his group, there was talk of murdering millions. I would argue that Obama's close ties with Ayers are meeting the same indifference, and indeed, these ties actually are seen favorably by the Left and by extension the media.

Is this not a sign of corruption on the American Left, just as it is on the Russian Right?

434 Joel  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:00:47am

re: #280 Joel

We have been in worse times (the GOP ) before. Right after Watergate, we lost in 1992 and 1996 too. If Obama sucks as much as I fear he will be, then someone will step forward. I am more worried about the GOP Country Club Beltway Establishment sabotaging us with another Jeb Bush/JohnMcCan/George W. Bush/Bob Dole type of candidate.

Being a conservative and having to live in the Beltway - I don't envy you. Then again I live in Manhattan - not much difference. The political diversity is similar to Leningrad crica 1956.

435 Joel  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:05:49am

Oops - my post above was meant for #267 ArmyWife.

436 bpscg  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:18:45am

Ayers: “We had served together on the board of a foundation..."

Gee, sounds like they just both happened to get thrown together by happenstance on the board of the local neighborhood civic association.

Here's the truthful version of the above: "I created the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in order to get money out of the Annenberg Foundation to promote my radical left-wing views. Obama's views were so close to my own that I felt very comfortable having him appointed chairman of the board of the Challenge."

Nobody interviewing this human filth on GMA is going to point that out. Neither will anyone else in the MSM.

437 pittrader1988  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:12:44am

more on this relationship will come out in the coming days. can't wait to see the bomb thrower on tv this morning.

438 Lince  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:57:10am

Just in time for the 2012 elections!

439 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:20:43am
held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign

Does this mean Obama lied in the third debate?

*crickets*

440 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:22:12am

re: #433 Noah's Arrrgh

Is this not a sign of corruption on the American Left, just as it is on the Russian Right?

I think this is normal for the American left, and it's a sign of willful ignorance on the part of the general population.

441 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:27:05am

re: #280 Joel

We have been in worse times (the GOP ) before. Right after Watergate, we lost in 1992 and 1996 too. If Obama sucks as much as I fear he will be, then someone will step forward. I am more worried about the GOP Country Club Beltway Establishment sabotaging us with another Jeb Bush/JohnMcCan/George W. Bush/Bob Dole type of candidate.

Don't the primaries count for something? What if someone like Sarah Palin comes along and clears the table?

442 iceman  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:00am

Sly and the Family Stone singing It's a Family Affair

443 scullymj  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:47am

re: #424 Biff

The leftist MSM shoved McCain down our throats by the way they covered him and didn't cover Romney. They knew McCain was the weakest candidate for their Nobama pick.

444 firedupengineer  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:56:36am

Ayers would make a good White House press secretary since he would get along so well with the MSM.

445 firedupengineer  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:58:55am

re: #439 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Does this mean Obama lied in the third debate?

*crickets*

Absolutely! But that doesn't matter. What mattered to the MSM was that he was elected no what the cost...

446 Dave the.....  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:05:05am
“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.

Wait a minute. A week before the election, I recieved a mailing from the Obama campaign that said this isn't true. Someone is lying.

Funny how the local paper played this story today. They said Ayres "distanced" himself from Obama. Yet this story shows that isn't quite true.

447 notutopia  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:23:31am

Our society has been rationally sensitized to the facts of living next door to implanted fascists, terrorists and acts of terrorism. Liberals are now willing to turn their minds over to not only the acceptance of it, but the much more dangerous behavior that it is now okay to embrace and socialize with terrorists as neighbors.
Wake up America! The corrupt agenda is to make us a simile to the UK, Spain, and France. One big miserably happy western world that will be Assimilated to Islamic and Fascist terrorists with lawful protections and represented voting entity of our society! Open up the gates of immigration some more.
Get rid of CAIR, Acorn, et al. NOW!
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