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Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.

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1 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:05pm

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.

2 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:07pm

Bears will beat the packers on Sunday in Green Bay. You read it here first!

3 [deleted]  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:14:21pm
4 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:04pm

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.

I'd donate, but I'm broke.

5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:48pm

re: #3 StudSupreme

You can't say that. Prepare to be deleted...

6 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:48pm

re: #4 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'd donate, but I'm broke.

I'd donate, but I'm snipped. 3 kids - and one on the way - will do that to a guy.

7 StudSupreme  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:15:59pm

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.

This suggests something about UK males...

8 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:16:16pm

re: #3 StudSupreme

FIRST!
I've been waiting a while to say that. ;-)

and it may be awhile longer before you're in a position to do it again...

9 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:16:24pm

re: #5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You can't say that. Prepare to be deleted...

Yep, gotta read the rules, my friend.

10 StudSupreme  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:16:46pm

re: #5 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You can't say that. Prepare to be deleted...

I'm just kidding around!

11 StudSupreme  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:17:18pm

re: #8 redc1c4

and it may be awhile longer before you're in a position to do it again...


Wow, you guys are just a barrel 'o fun...

12 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:07pm

re: #11 StudSupreme

Wow, you guys are just a barrel 'o fun...

Not trying to be snarky, but it's one of the LGF "Don'ts."

13 Salem  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:20pm

I think it auto-deletes if it's all by itself and actually the first post. Otherwise...

14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:24pm

re: #6 Wyatt Earp

I'd donate, but I'm snipped. 3 kids - and one on the way - will do that to a guy.

All the fun without the consequences. Smart move.

15 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:43pm

re: #2 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm still smarting after tonight's loss...

16 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:18:57pm

re: #10 StudSupreme

I'm just kidding around!

Like Wyatt said in his #12...

17 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:23pm

re: #14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

All the fun without the consequences. Smart move.

Except I have a 9 month old. The next one - my first girl - is due on January 3rd. The missus is always early, so I'm looking at Irish twins . . . and a lot of OT to pay for them. :)

18 StudSupreme  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:30pm

re: #12 Wyatt Earp

Not trying to be snarky, but it's one of the LGF "Don'ts."


You're no fun, and I can prove it!

I bet you don't even like this video:

19 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:19:54pm

re: #11 StudSupreme

Wow, you guys are just a barrel 'o fun...

take it up with Stinky... we just w*rk here.

/LNDT

20 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:20:27pm

re: #15 Fenway_Nation

I'm still smarting after tonight's loss...

Yeah, but your Bruins are playing out of their mind. Good thing, too, because I have Savard and Wideman on my fantasy team.

21 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:21:17pm

re: #15 Fenway_Nation

I'm still smarting after tonight's loss...

It was a great game. And Belecheck not kicking that field goal on fourth down from the 24 yard line in the third quarter came back to bite him in the butt. Terrible call there.

22 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:22:28pm

If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of. -Maier's Law

23 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:31pm

re: #18 StudSupreme

You're no fun, and I can prove it!

I bet you don't even like this video:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Magnificent Seven!

24 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:34pm

We had football?

25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:55pm

re: #17 Wyatt Earp

Except I have a 9 month old. The next one - my first girl - is due on January 3rd. The missus is always early, so I'm looking at Irish twins . . . and a lot of OT to pay for them. :)

To quote Larry The Cable Guy: "That'll piss you off".

26 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:23:59pm

re: #4 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'd donate, but I'm broke.

Isn't there an operation to fix that? Oh, that "broke".

Sounds like no one is keeping the British end up.

27 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:41pm

re: #25 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

To quote Larry The Cable Guy: "That'll piss you off".

Eh, it's nice to have a girl, but in all honesty, she is an "Oops." (Of course, we'll never tell her that.)

28 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:24:51pm

re: #24 Rancher

We had football?

Jets-Patriots on NFL network. Jets won .

29 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:25pm

re: #26 calcajun

Well the lot of them seem to be coming pussified over there for some reason. I could quote a reason or a couple thousand . . .

30 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:37pm

re: #7 StudSupreme

This suggests something about UK males...

Look carefully at the Royal Family and you'll see the answer.

31 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:25:46pm

re: #27 Wyatt Earp

Eh, it's nice to have a girl, but in all honesty, she is an "Oops." (Of course, we'll never tell her that.)

I was an "oops", 40 years ago. I know what you mean.

32 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:26:23pm

re: #28 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Damn!

33 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:26:42pm

re: #20 Wyatt Earp


That's true...but I guess being bummed over any New England team losing to a New York team trumps any joy I have over another New England team beating up the Habs...still- I caught the 1st 2 periods on the drive home tonight. How come Price wasn't that Sieve-like in the 1st round against Boston last year?

Good win over the Hawks (both Black and just plain Hawks) the other night, tho'.

/Not sure who I'm supposed to hate more- Montreal or NYC

34 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:26:46pm

re: #26 calcajun

Isn't there an operation to fix that? Oh, that "broke".

Sounds like no one is keeping the British end up.

I don't know why, with incentive like this there.

35 stevieray  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:05pm

A nation that sells "spotted dick" in supermarkets ought to be able to handle these kinda donations... just sayin'...

36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:17pm

There's a game every Thursday night for the next 4 weeks.

37 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:27:40pm

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

That's true...but I guess being bummed over any New England team losing to a New York team trumps any joy I have over another New England team beating up the Habs...still- I caught the 1st 2 periods on the drive home tonight. How come Price wasn't that Sieve-like in the 1st round against Boston last year?

Good win over the Hawks (both Black and just plain Hawks) the other night, tho'.

/Not sure who I'm supposed to hate more- Montreal or NYC

Probably the Jets right now, because they're playing so well. The Habs are a good team, but Buffalo and the B's are the class of that division.

38 Bosch Fawstin  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:07pm

They call it Islam, we call it...

39 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:08pm

PIMF- re: #32 Rancher

Damn!

There's a game every Thursday night for the next 4 weeks.

40 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:15pm

After how many years and I still forget Thursday night football.

41 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:39pm

re: #27 Wyatt Earp

Eh, it's nice to have a girl, but in all honesty, she is an "Oops." (Of course, we'll never tell her that.)

until she starts searching the Internet for a school project in a few years...

/good move...

42 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:28:53pm

re: #35 stevieray

A nation that sells "spotted dick" in supermarkets ought to be able to handle these kinda donations... just sayin'...

That was my nickname in high school! Heh.

43 stevieray  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:29:38pm

re: #40 Rancher

After how many years and I still forget Thursday night football.

Between pro and college, you can watch football every single night this time of year.

44 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:29:49pm

re: #21 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


No shit- the last time I was shaking my head at Belicheck coaching decisions like that was the Sunday night game in Indy...

/It's not often I say 'The Hoodie cost us the game with that decision..'

45 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:29:49pm

re: #36 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There's a game every Thursday night for the next 4 weeks.

can't be... USC plays on Saturday.

46 Outrider  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:30:01pm

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.

Why? Are they flooding because of a leak?

47 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:30:28pm

re: #40 Rancher

After how many years and I still forget Thursday night football.

I don't even have cable and I watched it on my computer. Less than perfect video quality, but I watched it.

48 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:28pm

re: #45 redc1c4

can't be... USC plays on Saturday.

University of South Carolina?
/

49 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:31:41pm

re: #46 Outrider

Why? Are they flooding because of a leak?

That sounds like the perfect scenario for Mighty Putty!

50 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:04pm

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.


I got yer stimulus package right heah'!

/giggity

51 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:28pm

re: #46 Outrider

Why? Are they flooding because of a leak?

Lack of real men?

52 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:32:49pm

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

I got yer stimulus package right heah'!

/giggity

LOL!

53 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:06pm
54 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:33:47pm

re: #53 gmsc

Eerily similar songs:

Britney Spears' Womanizer
Theme from Sid & Marty Krofft's Lidsville

I am not even going to ask who you figured that one out? I mean, Sid and Marty Krofft? *shudder*

55 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:35:25pm

re: #50 Fenway_Nation
The US pays for sperm? Why am I selling plasma?

56 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:24pm

Next Thursday is Cincinnati at Pittsburgh.

57 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:40pm

re: #55 Rancher

The US pays for sperm? Why am I selling plasma?

$20 a "pop?"

58 Nightwatch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:36:57pm

re: #8 redc1c4
jumped ya hard on the last thread,
just doing my think, did not see the link...

59 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:24pm

re: #54 Wyatt Earp

I am not even going to ask who you figured that one out? I mean, Sid and Marty Krofft? *shudder*

I heard Womanizer for the first time earlier today. It bugged me immediately because it sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. Every so often through the day, I'd hum the section that sounded familiar without the words.

While making dinner tonight, I found myself singing, "In the middle of the summer, in the middle of a park . . . " and it hit me it was Lidsville! I ran to YouTube (yes, dinner was saved anyway), searched for Lidsville, and there it was!

60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:37:57pm

re: #57 Wyatt Earp

$20 a "pop?"


Oh cum on...

61 esch  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:22pm

re: #57 Wyatt Earp

$20 a "pop?"

Once you pop, you can't stop.

62 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:37pm

re: #60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sorry, that was crude.

63 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:38:47pm

re: #59 gmsc

I heard Womanizer for the first time earlier today. It bugged me immediately because it sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it. Every so often through the day, I'd hum the section that sounded familiar without the words.

While making dinner tonight, I found myself singing, "In the middle of the summer, in the middle of a park . . . " and it hit me it was Lidsville! I ran to YouTube (yes, dinner was saved anyway), searched for Lidsville, and there it was!

That's actually pretty impressive. Bravo!

64 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:39:30pm

re: #62 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sorry, that was crude.

"Pop" goes the weasel?

65 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:18pm

re: #58 Nightwatch

jumped ya hard on the last thread,
just doing my think, did not see the link...

that was last thread... and i haven't even seen it.

are you cute? %-)

/white smoke!

66 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:19pm

I see this thread has quickly found bottom.

/dynamite any one.

//you know, we can always dig our selves out of this hole.

67 Wyatt Earp  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:41:47pm

Love to help, but I gotta get to bed. G'night all!

68 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:25pm

re: #59 gmsc

My uncle works at a music store in western mass...apparently one of the perks (prior to the advent of MP3s) was he could get a good deal on imported CDs.

One afternoon he was listening to some random Hindi pop CD and thought 'Hey...this sounds familiar'. It was 'borrowed' (to use a generous term) by the Black Eyed Peas for one of their songs...he never specified which one. He initially thought it was the other way around until he saw that the Hindi-pop song was from 1996 or thereabouts...

69 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:27pm

re: #62 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Sorry, that was crude.

delightfully tacky, yet unrefined...

/don't ever change. %-)

/drink!

70 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:42:47pm

Sperm donors are like male sharmutas.

/white smoke

71 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:16pm

re: #54 Wyatt Earp

Have Sid and Marty Krofft ever been prosecuted for H.R. Pufnstuf?

72 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:43:18pm

re: #66 BlueCanuck

I see this thread has quickly found bottom.

/dynamite any one.

//you know, we can always dig our selves out of this hole.

if we'd just toss all the empties out of the hole, there'd be room for the drilling rig!

73 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:02pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

Sperm donors are like male sharmutas.

/white smoke

Yeah, but just don't try doing it in Australia. May end up costing you.

/let me go find that linky.

74 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:09pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

Sperm donors are like male sharmutas.

/white smoke

if you're getting smoke, slow down and use a lubricant...

/white something %-)

75 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:44:14pm

Black Eyed Peas? Who?

76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:45:46pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

Sperm donors are like male sharmutas.

/white smoke

We have a new Pope? What happened to Benedict XXXI?
/

77 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:46:23pm

re: #74 redc1c4

if you're getting smoke, slow down and use a lubricant...

/white something %-)

In a white room, with black curtains...

78 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:47:18pm

This is more like it- Talking to myself.

79 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:00pm

The only way to have an intelligent conversation!

80 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:09pm

re: #78 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

This is more like it- Talking to myself.

Shhh, you're interrupting the voices in my head.

81 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:21pm

re: #71 Rancher

Have Sid and Marty Krofft ever been prosecuted for H.R. Pufnstuf?

Why would they be prosecuted for H.R. Pufnstuf? While I'm thinking of Krofft and court cases, they did successfully sue McDonald's for ripping off the look and feel of the Krofft look for their McDonaldland ads.

82 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:48pm

Geez, I feel like Kevin from "Home Alone".

83 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:48:50pm

re: #75 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Black Eyed Peas? Who?

/Pump It

84 Salem  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:49:50pm

re: #53 gmsc

Eerily similar songs:

Britney Spears' Womanizer
Theme from Sid & Marty Krofft's Lidsville

Wow! That takes me back. I'd forgotten about that show, entirely. Charles Nelson Reilly and Butch Patrick. Talk about a gas from the past.

85 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:50:47pm

re: #81 gmsc

Why would they be prosecuted for H.R. Pufnstuf?


Ever watched it?

86 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:51:43pm

re: #85 Rancher

Ever watched it?

When I was younger, I'd never miss it.

87 Salem  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:52:09pm

re: #54 Wyatt Earp

I am not even going to ask who you figured that one out? I mean, Sid and Marty Krofft? *shudder*

They don't sound all that close to me, though.

88 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:52:20pm

re: #80 BlueCanuck

Shhh, you're interrupting the voices in my head.

Voices

89 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:52:46pm

re: #79 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The only way to have an intelligent conversation!

you're not there yet...

/white smoke

90 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:54:23pm

re: #87 Salem

They don't sound all that close to me, though.

It's not similar all the way through, but there are segments that are almost identical.

91 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:55:37pm

re: #89 redc1c4

you're not there yet...

/white smoke

That's why mapquest was invented.

92 Rancher  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:29pm

Just watched a Family Guy episode, the one with the NAAFP (National Association for the Advancement of Fat People), and they slammed Jeb Bush and Pes. Bush both. Can't wait to see them slam Obama.

93 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:56:40pm

re: #68 Fenway_Nation

My uncle works at a music store in western mass...apparently one of the perks (prior to the advent of MP3s) was he could get a good deal on imported CDs.

One afternoon he was listening to some random Hindi pop CD and thought 'Hey...this sounds familiar'. It was 'borrowed' (to use a generous term) by the Black Eyed Peas for one of their songs...he never specified which one. He initially thought it was the other way around until he saw that the Hindi-pop song was from 1996 or thereabouts...

It makes me wonder about "Oops! I Did It Again!" and "Oops! I Made A Mistake!".
;)

94 BlueCanuck  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:13pm

re: #88 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Voices

I am more worried about my voices.

/white smoke

95 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:40pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

/Pump It

Funky Fire

96 gmsc  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:57:43pm

re: #92 Rancher

Just watched a Family Guy episode, the one with the NAAFP (National Association for the Advancement of Fat People), and they slammed Jeb Bush and Pes. Bush both. Can't wait to see them slam Obama.

You're gonna wait a looong time, especially considering Family Guy is the series that featured Stewie in a Nazi uniform that included a McCain/Palin button.

98 redc1c4  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:27pm

re: #92 Rancher

Just watched a Family Guy episode, the one with the NAAFP (National Association for the Advancement of Fat People), and they slammed Jeb Bush and Pes. Bush both. Can't wait to see them slam Obama.

holding your breath?

99 calcajun  Thu, Nov 13, 2008 11:58:53pm

re: #81 gmsc

Why would they be prosecuted for H.R. Pufnstuf? While I'm thinking of Krofft and court cases, they did successfully sue McDonald's for ripping off the look and feel of the Krofft look for their McDonaldland ads.

Can you say "thought crimes" or "crimes against humanity".

100 calcajun  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:00:03am

re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

We have a new Pope? What happened to Benedict XXXI?
/

Stop it with your straw man arguments///

101 SurferDoc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:00:11am

H R Puffinstuff--an early indication taht Western civilization was in trouble

102 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:00:41am

re: #92 Rancher

Don't get your hopes up. Unlike South Park, they are not equal opportunity offenders and I'm pretty sure McFarlane donated to the 0bama campaign.

103 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:01:03am

re: #70 Sharmuta

Sperm donors are like male sharmutas.

/white smoke


Sharm... and I thought you were my one and only.

Heart break and melancoly settles over me like out first Republican President.

104 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:03:31am

re: #95 redc1c4

Funky Fire

Now you're talking.

/where few white people dare to tread, for good reason

105 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:04:37am

re: #103 shanec99

Sharm... and I thought you were my one and only.

Heart break and melancoly settles over me like out first Republican President.

maybe you should get into action...

/within the ROE, of course. %-)

106 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:08:31am

re: #104 Killian Bundy

Now you're talking.

/where few white people dare to tread, for good reason

i was young and had a future when that song came out...

/and then they elected Carter.

107 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:08:43am

re: #92 Rancher

Just watched a Family Guy episode, the one with the NAAFP (National Association for the Advancement of Fat People), and they slammed Jeb Bush and Pes. Bush both. Can't wait to see them slam Obama.

They had an episode about a month ago where some character was wearing a Nazi uniform and had a McCain/Palin button on it.

108 Rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:09:42am

re: #102 Fenway_Nation
I figured.

109 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:10:18am

Morning all from a beautiful,warm sunny day Durban S.Africa. I want to link an article from RedState and not to sure how to do this. You assistance would be greatly appreciated.

110 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:12:05am

re: #109 Erik The Red


Morning Erik- what the hell is up with the Rand this month?

111 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:12:54am

re: #109 Erik The Red


Do you want to link it in a post or use one of the spinoff links above-thread?

112 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:13:22am

re: #105 redc1c4

Hmmm, think we should save this one for future occasions.

113 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:15:18am

re: #110 Fenway_Nation

F**k knows. It is any ones guess. Will swing as much as 100cents in one day. It of great concern to me as I will be returning to the US mid next year and have lost about 40% in dollar terms on my money.

114 haakondahl  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:15:29am

Morning, Lizardim!

115 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:15:39am

re: #111 Fenway_Nation

link in post

116 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:17:26am

re: #112 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, think we should save this one for future occasions.

as a test to see if you're hammered?

i gave up on it, but i wasted the dinner buzz on a public meeting.

/starting over

117 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:20:32am

re: #114 haakondahl

Morning, Lizardim!

Guten tag. What's a lizardim?

118 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:22:51am

re: #102 Fenway_Nation

Don't get your hopes up. Unlike South Park, they are not equal opportunity offenders and I'm pretty sure McFarlane donated to the 0bama campaign.

Yes MacFarlane did give $2300 directly to Obama plus another $38,900 to the DNC plus another $2300 to various other Democrats this year.

119 Rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:23:15am

re: #117 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I know what a sarc tag is but what's a Guten tag?

120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:26:55am

re: #119 Rancher

I know what a sarc tag is but what's a Guten tag?

It's German for good morning. Or maybe good night.

121 Rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:27:37am

re: #110 Fenway_Nation
Rand al Thor?

122 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:27:49am

re: #115 Erik The Red


Well, I usually open up the URL in another window, Copy/cut it from the address bar, click the little chain/link icon right above the comment box and then paste the URL in the little window that pops up.

/A little less straightforward if you have some sort of pop-up blocker.

123 Rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:28:03am

re: #120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Aloha.

124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:29:12am

re: #118 Neo Con since 9-11

Yes MacFarlane did give $2300 directly to Obama plus another $38,900 to the DNC plus another $2300 to various other Democrats this year.

Don't you love it when these imbecilic libs give money to people who they know will take more of their money? Mark Levin is right. Liberalism IS the philosophy of the stupid.

125 Rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:29:28am

re: #120 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ciao.

126 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:30:39am

this is one of the 6 element's all time fave groups... (and it's all my fault. %-)

Alternative Ulster

Suspect Device

127 Old Engineer  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:31:22am

#27: Wyatt Earp
Girls or boys, take what comes, love them and let them know it.
I'm an old guy, veteran, disabled, but still enjoying life to the fullest. My plumbing doesn't work anymore the way it should, not like a young guy, but when it did I fathered one son, three daughters, and two stillborn. My wife still grieves the ones we lost, although it happened over fifty years ago. The son is a fine man, but he does his thing, he is a professional, and about all we see of him, mostly a function of location, is regular phone calls and a visit every year or two.
Our daughters too are professionals, but they cling to family, and we see them at least weekly.
We have grandchildren as well, four girls and four boys, all fine individuals.
It is my opinion that girls are more needful of tight family relationships. I would like to have had more boys, I guess to propagate the proud family name. That is certainly selfish of me, but I suspect many men feel that way. No matter, I have three grandsons who will do that, also two nephews.
To me, family is what life is all about. How lonely and uninteresting my life would be were there none.
Old Engineer

128 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:31:32am

Your text to link...
re: #122 Fenway_Nation

Thanks lets see if this works.

129 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:31:46am

re: #119 Rancher

I know what a sarc tag is but what's a Guten tag?

german for "white smoke"?

/white smoke

130 Rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:33:32am

Adios. Guthaben. See ya later, good night Lizards. Any further posts will be Rustler's.

/Real Rancher

131 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:34:07am

re: #128 Erik The Red

So much for change in the new administration. Look how many ex Clinton people are in his "Change" admin.

132 sdkruiser  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:34:20am

re: #118 Neo Con since 9-11

I've got faith in McFarlane. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who lies awake worrying about who he might offend.

133 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:35:06am

re: #126 redc1c4

this is one of the 6 element's all time fave groups... (and it's all my fault. %-)

Alternative Ulster

Suspect Device

/Lou Reed wannabees

134 Mauser  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:36:04am

re: #53 gmsc

Disturbing, 42,689 comments on the Britney video.

After the first ten thousand, what's the point of saying anything?

And who would read them all?

135 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:36:15am

re: #125 Rancher

Ciao.

I already ate. but thanks!

136 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:36:50am

re: #133 Killian Bundy

/Lou Reed wannabees

Thought Lou Reed founded Velvet Underground?

137 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:37:01am

re: #128 Erik The Red

Your text to link...


Thanks lets see if this works.

that reads like a "Who's Who" of "Who Can't".

but then again, look who we're talking about...

/drink

138 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:38:18am

re: #134 Mauser

Disturbing, 42,689 comments on the Britney video.

After the first ten thousand, what's the point of saying anything?

And who would read them all?

Maybe they think Britney reads each comment personally.
** rolls eyes **

139 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:38:44am

re: #126 redc1c4

this is one of the 6 element's all time fave groups... (and it's all my fault. %-)

Alternative Ulster

Suspect Device

What the hell was that? It looked like a 33 rpm record played at 78 rpm.

140 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:38:49am

re: #138 gmsc

Maybe they think Britney reads each comment personally.
** rolls eyes **

She can read? Who knew?

141 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:38:52am

re: #133 Killian Bundy

/Lou Reed wannabees

strange... i never considered the Velvet Underground to be Lou Reed wannabees... a little harsh with the judging, aren't you?

142 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:39:38am

re: #134 Mauser

Disturbing, 42,689 comments on the Britney video.

After the first ten thousand, what's the point of saying anything?

And who would read them all?

they can read? wtf. lol. omg... etc.

143 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:39:54am

re: #132 sdkruiser


I do to. I have faith in McFarlane's continued ability to cheap-shot Republicans, conservatives, christians and people from the flyover states in general with his program.

144 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:40:16am

re: #140 Outrider

She can read? Who knew?

Maybe they think she can read?

145 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:40:24am

re: #124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Don't you love it when these imbecilic libs give money to people who they know will take more of their money? Mark Levin is right. Liberalism IS the philosophy of the stupid.

Honestly, I don't even credit wealthy liberals with being stupid. I think wealthy liberals they are greedy and cynical; greedy because they would never give that money to someone in true need and cynical because they think less wealthy liberals wouldn't give unless the government forces them too. Wealthy conservatives on the other hand would prefer to give directly to the needy and believe correctly that less wealthy conservatives will give to the needy without government coercion.
Proofy I'm correct

146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:40:32am

re: #132 sdkruiser

I've got faith in McFarlane. Doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who lies awake worrying about who he might offend.

Maybe not, but he's a stupid POS and I hope he will soon FOAD. Why are you defending the asshole?

147 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:40:52am

re: #136 Outrider

Thought Lou Reed founded Velvet Underground?

/yes, and if you don't have the Loaded album in your inventory, you're a loser

148 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:41:15am

re: #133 Killian Bundy

Hmmm, I think some one needs to refresh themselves on their new rock history a bit.

149 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:41:21am

re: #138 gmsc

Maybe they think Britney reads each comment personally.
** rolls eyes **

she can read?

150 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:41:37am

re: #139 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

What the hell was that? It looked like a 33 rpm record played at 78 rpm sounds.
151 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:41:48am

re: #144 gmsc

Maybe they think she can read?

I'm with Redc1c4...they can read? And write?

152 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:42:05am

re: #139 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What the hell was that? It looked like a 33 rpm record played at 78 rpm.

classic punk... loud n'fast!

153 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:43:44am

Thanks Fenway for your help. Will still need to perfect it but it is a start. Have go see the dentist be back later.

154 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:43:44am

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

I left out the military, too...

155 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:45:18am

re: #148 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, I think some one needs to refresh themselves on their new rock history a bit.

/really, schooling me on Velvet Underground?

156 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:45:55am

re: #145 Neo Con since 9-11

Honestly, I don't even credit wealthy liberals with being stupid. I think wealthy liberals they are greedy and cynical; greedy because they would never give that money to someone in true need and cynical because they think less wealthy liberals wouldn't give unless the government forces them too. Wealthy conservatives on the other hand would prefer to give directly to the needy and believe correctly that less wealthy conservatives will give to the needy without government coercion.
Proofy I'm correct

I saw that! Liberals only like to give OPM- Other people's money.

157 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:46:16am

re: #155 Killian Bundy

My apologies. Mis-read your sarc tag.

158 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:46:47am

re: #151 Outrider

I'm with Rredc1c4...they can read? And write?

the coonass cumdumpster lives up on Mullholland, and routinely comes down the hill to bless the hoi palloi with her presence and cash... tying up traffic with the paperazi and drawing off the already short staffed local LAPD with bullshit.

can you tell i despise her, or should i go into details?

159 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:47:18am

re: #132 sdkruiser

You could be correct. I'm not really sure about the Family guy series as I don't watch alot of TV. I was just bored and took a look at who the creator of the series contributed too, well over $45,000 to the dems $0 to the republicans

160 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:47:30am

re: #147 Killian Bundy

/yes, and if you don't have the Loaded album in your inventory, you're a loser

(sigh) Yet more proof. I have hundreds of records but I do not have that one. i can not remember the name of the one I do have, just remember it is grayish and has a photo of him on the cover wearing sunglasses.

161 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:48:09am

re: #155 Killian Bundy

/really, schooling me on Velvet Underground?

oh come on... you get schooled all the time.

(you just don't admit it. %-)

/white smoke

162 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:49:49am

So now the MSM is identified as the source that trashed Gov Palen and blamed the McCain camp suggesting that Gov Paelen was ignorant and did not know that Africa was not a country.

Funny how this comes out after the election.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

If we ever trust anything that the MSM says about Conservatives again we should be ashamed.

163 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:50:03am

re: #160 Outrider

(sigh) Yet more proof. I have hundreds of records but I do not have that one. i can not remember the name of the one I do have, just remember it is grayish and has a photo of him on the cover wearing sunglasses.

do you have a copy of "It's a Beautiful Day"?

164 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:51:38am

re: #162 shanec99

So now the MSM is identified as the source that trashed Gov Palen and blamed the McCain camp suggesting that Gov Paelen was ignorant and did not know that Africa was not a country.

Funny how this comes out after the election.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

If we ever trust anything that the MSM says about Conservatives again, we should be ashamed.

lying bastids, one and all.

(fixed that for ya, btw! %-)

165 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:51:40am

re: #145 Neo Con since 9-11

Honestly, I don't even credit wealthy liberals with being stupid. I think wealthy liberals they are greedy and cynical; greedy because they would never give that money to someone in true need and cynical because they think less wealthy liberals wouldn't give unless the government forces them too. Wealthy conservatives on the other hand would prefer to give directly to the needy and believe correctly that less wealthy conservatives will give to the needy without government coercion.
Proofy I'm correct

Levin is wrong... Liberalism is not the philosophy of the stupid... it is the philosophy of lies.

167 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:52:05am

re: #158 redc1c4

the coonass cumdumpster lives up on Mullholland, and routinely comes down the hill to bless the hoi palloi with her presence and cash... tying up traffic with the paperazi and drawing off the already short staffed local LAPD with bullshit.

can you tell i despise her, or should i go into details?

I got the gist. ;-)>

She's just a name that flashes across the tabloids in the supermarket to me. Wouldn't know her if she flashed her non-panty wearing legs at me from the car seat. See. i got that much from the tabloids. lol

168 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:52:45am

re: #164 redc1c4

lying bastids, one and all.

(fixed that for ya, btw! %-)

Appreciated

169 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:52:54am

And another albulm you must have, New York.

/Dirty Boulevard

171 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:53:55am

re: #163 redc1c4

do you have a copy of "It's a Beautiful Day"?

california band? late 60s?

172 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:54:15am

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Only children watch cartoons.

In Soviet Russia, cartoo . . .

/Ah, skip it

173 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:56:05am

re: #172 gmsc

In Soviet Russia, cartoo . . .

/Ah, skip it

LOL. My "better half" is from Russia.

174 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:56:38am

re: #168 shanec99

Appreciated

de nada... it's all part of the free service!

being a career SP4, i found it handy to be useful. %-)

175 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:57:33am

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I watch The Venture Brothers- guess that means I'm young at heart.

176 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:58:09am

re: #87 Salem

They don't sound all that close to me, though.

Perhaps this edit will highlight the similarities a little better.

177 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 12:59:16am

re: #171 Outrider

california band? late 60s?

White Bird

178 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:01:34am

re: #176 gmsc

Well so much for going to bed early tonight. :p

179 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:02:15am

re: #174 redc1c4

de nada... it's all part of the free service!

being a career SP4, i found it handy to be useful. %-)


SP4... what the devil is that?

180 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:03:48am

re: #176 gmsc

Perhaps this edit will highlight the similarities a little better.

sorry, but after i jammed the pens into either ear canal, i really couldn't tell much about either one... but i felt much better.

181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:04:45am

re: #175 Fenway_Nation

I watch The Venture Brothers- guess that means I'm young at heart.

I have never heard of that. But then again, I've never watched Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Home Improvement, Friends, The Cosby Show, Coach, etc.

182 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:04:50am

re: #178 BlueCanuck

Well so much for going to bed early tonight. :p

re: #180 redc1c4

sorry, but after i jammed the pens into either ear canal, i really couldn't tell much about either one... but i felt much better.

I guess I'm just evil tonight.

183 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:06:06am

re: #179 shanec99

SP4... what the devil is that?

before your time FNG: SPC these days... %-)

my DOR was 3DEC83, and i was tossed out in 9/03, never having been promoted, demoted or given an Art 15... and yes, i know that's impossible.

184 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:06:12am

re: #182 gmsc

Great, now you're going to make red jealous. And make him try to out do you.

/white smoke.

185 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:08:19am

re: #181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I have never heard of that. But then again, I've never watched Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Home Improvement, Friends, The Cosby Show, Coach, etc.

"television is referred to as a medium because it is neither rare nor well done." Ernie Kovacs

186 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:09:08am

re: #184 BlueCanuck

Great, now you're going to make red jealous. And make him try to out do you.

/white smoke.

i like to think of it as training my replacement... %-)

/white smoke

187 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:12:51am

re: #185 redc1c4

"television is referred to as a medium because it is neither rare nor well done." Ernie Kovacs

And has been called an "idiot box". But I still watch it. I just limit what I watch.

188 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:13:16am

re: #181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Think of some of those 60's or 70's cartoon adventurers and sleuths (Scooby Doo, Johnny Quest) now embittered middle-aged failures.

189 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:14:15am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

Think of some of those 60's or 70's cartoon adventurers and sleuths (Scooby Doo, Johnny Quest) now embittered middle-aged failures.

...or, just think it as an embittered cartoon failure.

190 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:15:21am

Good night all!

191 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:15:26am

re: #183 redc1c4

OK you were an Army Bubba... I am Navy. I am familiar with USN and USMC ranks.

192 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:16:00am

re: #186 redc1c4

i like to think of it as training my replacement... %-)

/white smoke

The Chamber Of 32 Doors

/and if you don't have The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in your inventory, you're a loser too

193 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:16:32am

re: #188 Fenway_Nation

Think of some of those 60's or 70's cartoon adventurers and sleuths (Scooby Doo, Johnny Quest) now embittered middle-aged failures.

I was specifically referring to the crap on Fox Sunday nights.

194 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:17:34am

Three days of Day by Day on the topic of Onelam. (Or is it Obamalam?)

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

[Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]

195 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:17:57am

Fly On A Windshield

/lessons learned

196 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:19:18am

re: #192 Killian Bundy

The Chamber Of 32 Doors

/and if you don't have The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in your inventory, you're a loser too

fixed that for ya!

197 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:20:10am

re: #196 redc1c4

fixed that for ya!

/at your peril

198 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:26:40am

re: #197 Killian Bundy

/at your peril

terrified i am...

(not)

whatcha gonna hit me with, a penguin attack?

199 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:28:42am

re: #196 redc1c4

fixed that for ya!

Nevermind that they can pack Wembley stadium without Peter Gabriel.

/Lilywhite Lilith

200 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:29:24am

I'm outta here, CY'ALL L8R.

201 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:31:26am

re: #198 redc1c4

terrified i am...

(not)

whatcha gonna hit me with, a penguin attack?

/well, that's family friendly

202 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:31:30am

re: #199 Killian Bundy

Nevermind that they can pack Wembley stadium without Peter Gabriel.

/Lilywhite Lilith

all that proves is the same thing coonass's CD and concert sales prove: there's lots of people with more money than musical taste.

popular != good

203 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:36:29am

re: #202 redc1c4

all that proves is the same thing coonass's CD and concert sales prove: there's lots of people with more money than musical taste.

popular != good

/Joe Walsh never sprayed the crowd with God knows what

204 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:38:26am

re: #203 Killian Bundy

/Joe Walsh never sprayed the crowd with God knows what

are you sure?

205 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:41:04am

re: #203 Killian Bundy

/Joe Walsh never sprayed the crowd with God knows what

Maybe not but Gallagher did.

206 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:41:53am

re: #204 redc1c4

are you sure?

/yep

207 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:53:05am

Dead.

208 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:54:09am

re: #207 littleoldlady

More Fruitcup for me!

209 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:54:16am

re: #207 littleoldlady

Dead.

No it's not, it's just resting. ;)

morning littleoldlady

210 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:55:28am

Fenway! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

211 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:56:25am

re: #209 BlueCanuck

No it's not, it's just resting fermenting. ;)

morning littleoldlady

212 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:56:26am

re: #207 littleoldlady

Dead.

It's just resting.

213 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:57:40am

youtube keeps tyelling me stuff is no longer available... some weird server thing.

214 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:58:18am

re: #212 The Other Les

It's just resting.

we should nail it's feet to the perch, just to be sure...

215 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 1:58:47am

red! :-)

(Reboot the youtube page.)

Les! :-)

216 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:00:00am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

217 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:00:15am

w00t!

218 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:00:32am

I can almost taste the cup of assorted fruits

219 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:01:00am

re: #216 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

would you send me your fool-ade avatar graphic?

220 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:01:23am

re: #216 littleoldlady

*DING DING DING* Well done. Thanks for the fruitcup. I think it's my bed time now so later everyone. Stay scaly.

221 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:01:41am

re: #218 Fenway_Nation

I can almost taste the cup of assorted fruits

straight (pardon the term) from West Hollywood...

222 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:02:03am

re: #220 BlueCanuck

*DING DING DING* Well done. Thanks for the fruitcup. I think it's my bed time now so later everyone. Stay scaly.

quiter!

223 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:02:22am

re: #219 redc1c4

would you send me your fool-ade avatar graphic?

Sure. (Why?)

'Night, Blue!

224 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:03:12am

truth!

buy'em while you still have a car to put them on.

225 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:03:48am

re: #222 redc1c4

Yeah well, need some rest before I kill something.

/no liscence and no gun. think hunting season is over too. :(

226 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:04:26am

re: #223 littleoldlady

Sure. (Why?)

'Night, Blue!

any one of several sick and perverse reasons...

(pick one. %-)

227 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:04:53am

re: #225 BlueCanuck

Yeah well, need some rest before I kill something.

/no liscence and no gun. think hunting season is over too. :(

got house flies?

228 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:06:54am

red,

Sent. See if it worked.

229 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:10:00am

re: #215 littleoldlady

red! :-)

(Reboot the youtube page.)

Les! :-)

Hello!

230 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:10:47am

re: #228 littleoldlady

red,

Sent. See if it worked.

splash...

shot, over.

231 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:11:23am

re: #228 littleoldlady

red,

Sent. See if it w*rked.

fixed that for ya!

232 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:12:34am

re: #230 redc1c4

splash...

shot, over.

Does that mean "yes"?

233 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:13:27am

re: #232 littleoldlady

Does that mean "yes"?

i guess that all depends on what you mean by the word "yes"...

/white smoke

234 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:17:32am

killed that sucker, didn't i?

i blame Blue for going to bed... the bastage.

235 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:21:01am

Just remember, red, that's copyrighted material.

Royalties ---> Tuition

I hope you we make a bundle! :-)

236 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:26:23am

re: #235 littleoldlady

Just remember, red, that's copyrighted material.

Royalties ---> Tuition

I hope you we make a bundle! :-)

if you have some other pics/graphics you wish to share, we could likely make even more money...

/white smoke

237 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:28:18am
238 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:30:23am

I have never seen this before laughed my ass off. Enjoy

Dear Diary...

December 8 - 6:00 PM. It started to snow. The first snow of the season and the wife and I took our cocktails and sat for hours by the window watching the huge soft flakes drift down from heaven. It looked like a Grandma Moses Print. So romantic we felt like newlyweds again. I love snow!

December 9 - We woke to a beautiful blanket of crystal white snow covering every inch of the landscape. What a fantastic sight! Can there be a more lovely place in the Whole World? Moving here was the best idea I've ever had. Shoveled for the first time in years and felt like a boy again. I did both our driveway and the sidewalks. This afternoon the snowplow came along and covered up the sidewalks and closed in the driveway, so I got to shovel again. What a perfect life.

December 12 - The sun has melted all our lovely snow. Such a disappointment. My neighbor tells me not to worry, we'll definitely have a white Christmas. No snow on Christmas would be awful! Bob says we'll have so much snow by the end of winter, that I'll never want to see snow again. l don't think that's possible. Bob is such a nice man, I'm glad he's our neighbor.

December 14 - Snow lovely snow! 8" last night. The temperature dropped to -20. The cold makes everything sparkle so. The wind took my breath away, but I warmed up by shoveling the driveway and sidewalks. This is the life! The snowplow came back this afternoon and buried everything again. I didn't realize I would have to do quite this much shoveling, but I'll certainly get back in shape this way. I wish l wouldn't huff and puff so.

December 15 - 20 inches forecast. Sold my van and bought a 4x4 Blazer. Bought snow tires for the wife's car and 2 extra shovels. Stocked the freezer. The wife wants a wood stove in case the electricity goes out. I think that's silly. We aren't in Alaska, after all.

December 16 - Ice storm this morning. Fell on my ass on the ice in the driveway putting down salt. Hurt like hell. The wife laughed for an hour, Which I think was very cruel.

December 17 - Still way below freezing. Roads are too icy to go anywhere. Electricity was off for 5 hours. I had to pile the blankets on to stay warm. Nothing to do but stare at the wife and try not to irritate her. Guess I should've bought a wood stove, but won't admit it to her. God I hate it when she's right. I can't believe I'm freezing to death in my own living room.

December 20 - Electricity's back on, but had another 14" of the damn stuff last night. More shoveling. Took all day. Goddamn snowplow came by twice. Tried to find a neighbor kid to shovel, but they said they're too busy playing hockey. I think they're lying. Called the only hardware store around to see about buying a snow
blower and they're out. Might have another shipment in March. I think they're lying. Bob says I have to shovel or the city will have it done and bill me. I think he's lying.

December 22 - Bob was right about a white Christmas because 13 more inches of the white sh#t fell today, and it's so cold it probably won't melt till August. Took me 45 minutes to get all dressed up to go out to shovel and then I had to pee. By the time I got undressed, peed and dressed again. I was too tired to shovel. Tried to hire Bob who has a plow on his truck for the rest of the winter; but he says he's too busy. I think the bugger is lying.

December 23 - Only 2" of snow today. And it warmed up to 0. The wife wanted me to decorate the front of the house this morning. What is she nuts! Why didn't she tell me to do that a month ago? She says she did but I think she's lying.

cont..

239 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:30:24am

What are we selling?

MNTS got quite proficient at PhotoShop in a relatively short time...

240 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:30:56am

December 24 - 6". Snow packed so hard by snowplow, l broke the shovel. Thought I was having a heart attack. If I ever catch the s.o.b who drives that snow plow I'll drag him through the snow by his ankles and beat him to death with my broken shovel. I know he hides around the corner and waits for me to finish
shoveling and then he comes down the street at a 100 miles an hour and throws snow all over where I've just been! Tonight the wife wanted me to sing Christmas carols with her and open our presents, but I was too busy watching for the damn snowplow.

December 25 - Merry frigging Christmas! 20 more inches of the damn slop tonight. Snowed in. The idea of shoveling makes my blood boil. God I hate the snow! Then the snowplow driver came by asking for a donation and I hit him over the head with my shovel. The wife says I have a bad attitude. I think shes a fricking idiot. If I have to watch "It's A Wondeful Life" one more time, I'm going to stuff her into the microwave.

December 26 - Still snowed in. Why the hell did I ever move here? It was all HER idea. She's really getting on my nerves.

December 27 - Temperature dropped to -30 and the pipes froze, plumber came after 14 hours of waiting for him, he only charged me 1,400 to replace all my pipes.

December 28 - Warmed up to above -20. Still snowed in. THE BITCH is driving me crazy!

December 29 - 10 more inches. Bob says I have to shovel the roof or it could cave in. That's the silliest thing I ever heard. How dumb does he think I am?

December 30 - Roof caved in. I beat up the snow plow driver and he is now suing me for a million dollars not only the beating I gave him but also for trying to shove the broken snow shovel up his ass. The wife went home to her mother. 9" predicted.

December 31 - I set fire to what's left of the house. No more shoveling.

January 8 - Feel so good. I just love those little white pills they keep giving me. Why am I tied to the bed?

241 gregg  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:31:32am

Anybody watch the Virginia Tech - Miami game last night?

I was flipping through and saw a Virginia Tech player score a touchdown and then he raised his arms and formed an "O" with his hands. I assumed his was doing the Obama salute. Anyway, he received a penalty for excessive celebration.

242 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:39:41am

re: #240 Erik The Red

December 24 - 6". Snow packed so hard by snowplow, l broke the shovel. Thought I was having a heart attack. If I ever catch the s.o.b who drives that snow plow I'll drag him through the snow by his ankles and beat him to death with my broken shovel. I know he hides around the corner and waits for me to finish
shoveling and then he comes down the street at a 100 miles an hour and throws snow all over where I've just been! Tonight the wife wanted me to sing Christmas carols with her and open our presents, but I was too busy watching for the damn snowplow.

December 25 - Merry frigging Christmas! 20 more inches of the damn slop tonight. Snowed in. The idea of shoveling makes my blood boil. God I hate the snow! Then the snowplow driver came by asking for a donation and I hit him over the head with my shovel. The wife says I have a bad attitude. I think shes a fricking idiot. If I have to watch "It's A Wondeful Life" one more time, I'm going to stuff her into the microwave.

December 26 - Still snowed in. Why the hell did I ever move here? It was all HER idea. She's really getting on my nerves.

December 27 - Temperature dropped to -30 and the pipes froze, plumber came after 14 hours of waiting for him, he only charged me 1,400 to replace all my pipes.

December 28 - Warmed up to above -20. Still snowed in. THE BITCH is driving me crazy!

December 29 - 10 more inches. Bob says I have to shovel the roof or it could cave in. That's the silliest thing I ever heard. How dumb does he think I am?

December 30 - Roof caved in. I beat up the snow plow driver and he is now suing me for a million dollars not only the beating I gave him but also for trying to shove the broken snow shovel up his ass. The wife went home to her mother. 9" predicted.

December 31 - I set fire to what's left of the house. No more shoveling.

January 8 - Feel so good. I just love those little white pills they keep giving me. Why am I tied to the bed?

it's going to be 90mumble* here tomorrow, and my pool is still ~80 or so... i'm gonna do some yard w*rk and then go swimming while i drink beer. grilled lamb chops, wild rice and freas green salad with home grown tomatoes for dinner with a Paso Zin out on the patio for dinner under the moon...

what can i say? i LOVE LA

243 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:43:09am

re: #242 redc1c4

I'm in Durban S. Africa and we are going into summer great weather here. I was born in Cleveland and that just brought childhood memories.

244 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:46:57am

re: #243 Erik The Red

I'm in Durban S. Africa and we are going into summer great weather here. I was born in Cleveland and that just brought childhood memories.

born & raised in LA here... my dad is from Wisconsin, and lived all along the border with Canada growing up. my mom wants to move north, and dad just says, i'll buy you a house. he says he's never going to be cold again.

245 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:51:06am

re: #244 redc1c4

Same here. I will be returning to the US next year and will be settling in central Florida. If I never see snow again it will be to soon. My kids love the stuff. I guess the wife and them can go on a ski trip by themselves.

246 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:54:28am
247 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:56:21am

re: #245 Erik The Red

Same here. I will be returning to the US next year and will be settling in central Florida. If I never see snow again it will be to soon. My kids love the stuff. I guess the wife and them can go on a ski trip by themselves.

my joints hurt even when it's warm. i can't imagine being cold and trying to function...


speaking of which, i should try and get some sleep...

248 redc1c4  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:57:31am

hasta y'all...

L8r!

(vaya con Elvis! %-)

249 littleoldlady  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 2:59:44am

Darlin' I love you, but give me South Florida.

Erik! Hold down the fort! :-)

Good day, ALL!™

250 Neo Con since 9-11  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:00:45am

re: #238 Erik The Red

re: #240 Erik The Red

Don't think I've really laughed, till that post, since the 4th. I needed that.

251 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:01:12am
252 Crux Australis  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:07:16am

What strange weather I've been having in Sydney. Just today it was 95F followed by a severe thunderstorm - electricity was out 30 minutes. And now it's freezing cold outside. Expecting snow on the weekend on the "higher" peaks.

Usually the really hot weather doesn't kick in until after Christmas and it's 2 - 2 1/2 months of tropical weather (with the chance of a few cooler days interspersed).

253 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:28:05am

Good morning, Lizards.

254 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:32:25am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning goddess

255 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:33:30am

Its been very quiet on the dead threads the last couple of nights

256 Luigi  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:34:54am

Election over, BBC re-initiates two-minute hate against Israel

As Charles mentioned yesterday, now that the election is over and Obama is safely elected, the Pali war is heating up again. At the behest of Hamas, the press is kick starting the usual biased memes to re-groove the public mind back into the rote about Israel and her enemies, in case our brains got a little rusty during the election campaign when we weren't allowed to think about such distractions as the jihad.

The BBC is among the first to re-establish the correct line of thinking about who the heroes and villains are. In their effort today, note how they place Israel's response as a separate issue to the original Pali rocket attack which brought about Israel's response:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Gaza air strikes and rocket fire

Israeli aircraft have fired missiles at targets in the northern Gaza Strip, injuring two Palestinian militants.

Militants fired rockets into Israel on Friday.

No, that is not a second day lead. It is a biased interpretation.

The UN is of course playing ball right along with the media to get the game going again. Here the UN executes a well-timed forward pass to the BBC that eliminates no doubt about who we are to single out for public and political displeasure.

'Disaster'

John Ging, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), said on Thursday that handouts for 750,000 Gazans would have to be suspended until Saturday at the earliest, and called Gaza's economic situation "a disaster".

Now that the MSM has done it's superlative job presenting in-depth coverage of President-elect Obama's background and record, someone has decided it is time for them to re-apply these same skills and standards to ME coverage again.

BBC does not note anywhere in its coverage -- ever! -- the odd coincidence that what they call the "five-month truce between the two sides", which was really Hamas' cessation of rocket attacks, just happened to coincide with the American election season to the liberal's advantage. We did here. McCain should have!

257 haakondahl  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:34:58am

GOTC! Wassup?

258 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:39:20am

Morning all. The buzz among the elites in DC is over which exclusive and expensive private school Bambi and Michelle will send their kids to.
You know, it's really tough for middle class families to pay for piano lessons and school tuition.

259 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:39:56am

Goddess, you look lovely today.

260 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:40:22am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning!

261 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:42:51am

re: #256 Luigi

Well could they get those supplies from thier Arab allies in Egypt?

/

262 rightside  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:44:07am

Heynow!

263 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:46:41am

So I had a talk with a raving moonbat yesterday... And this just sums it up for me. I really can't talk to them anymore, my head hurts.

In regards to Obama and media bias, William Ayers, Wright, Acorn, Rezko, etc. -Right Wing smears against him

In regards to bipartisanship... Republicans need to support Obama. Bush "deserved" what he got the last 8 years.

In regards to Sarah Palin... She is "vacuous."

264 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:49:09am

Good morning all! I love coffee.

265 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:49:31am

Woke up thinking about Bambi's plan for a civilian defense force and Rahm Emmanuel's' idea of a mandatory three month youth service. If Bambi is thinking along the lines of the CERT program, it isn't a bad idea but it doesn't need to be as well funded as the DoD. For one thing it's volunteers.
If they are serious about mandatory service then they are looking at the draft, with a choice of military or civilain service. How do you sell that to the typical 18 year old? Or her parents?

266 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:50:01am

re: #264 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I am pro-coffee also.

Does that make me a racist?

267 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:51:01am

Good Morning LGF.
The Canadian Liberal Party is having a leadership race, and the two front runners are Bob Rae (who is a former NDP (socialist) Premier of the Province of Ontario), and Michael Ignatieff (who is a former Harvard Human Rights Professor).
Truly a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.

268 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:52:18am

I ADORE coffee!

269 rightside  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:52:24am

re: #266 unclassifiable
Depends on the color of it ;^)

270 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:52:41am

I have six shots of espresso almost every morning.

271 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:53:00am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning to you and others!

272 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:53:10am

re: #263 NYCHardhat

Let me guess. You proved your Rethug credentials by making physical threats and ad hominem comments.

/kidding of course

273 Luigi  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:53:12am

unclassifiable -- Gaza has Israel on two sides, Egypt on one, and the sea on the fourth. The map in the article shows that well. Israel may control or influence the Egyptian crossing. That's never really made clear in this article or anywhere. The Palis seem to be able to blow out the apartheid fence that pens them in from Egypt when they wish to.

The real issue is, and it is only mentioned way down in the article, that Israel closes it's crossings when the rocket attacks flare up. There were more than 35 rockets in the last week. To me, that seems the minimal response anybody would make.

There is no good reason why Gaza should be at war with Israel. It's not their country. Less than 5 percent of Gazans ever lived in Israel. If Gaza were interested in any wholesome development, they could turn that place into Miami Beach, with or without Jews.

274 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:54:28am

re: #269 rightside

Splitter!

/brewed real strong and then milk and splenda

275 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:56:05am

re: #272 unclassifiable

I just stood there, jaw on the floor. I don't believe people are stupid, but I don't know where they get their logic.

276 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:56:12am

re: #263 NYCHardhat

Did you did Dennis Miller's Obama supporting comments a couple of nights ago? As for Palin: They keep building up their myth.

277 Fibonacci  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:57:16am

I think I found the source of the quotes attributed to Governor Palin. It turns out that were outright satirical fabrications by a blogger who clearly marked them as FAKE.

"Fake Governor Sarah Palin Quotes"

The blogger says:

Disclaimer: She didn't actually say these things - I made them up. But thanks for all the visits.

[Link: unbearablebobness.typepad.com...]

See also

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

With people like Matt Damon and the MSM satire is a threat to our democracy. Not satire itself, but the naive belief that is is true.

278 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:57:33am

Good Morning Lizards!

Too bad all bank robbers aren't this smart:

Bank robber threatens to file a complaint with management after finding empty cash drawers

YORK, Pa. (AP) _ Police say a central Pennsylvania man tried to rob a bank — but tellers' empty cash drawers thwarted his attempt. Springettsbury Township Police Lt. Scott Laird said the tellers were waiting for their cash drawers to be filled when a man entered a Susquehanna Bank branch Thursday morning and demanded money. The first teller fainted and the next two showed him their empty cash drawers.

Laird says the robber then threatened to file a complaint with bank management before leaving.

A customer at the drive-through called 911. A 48-year-old man was arrested about 10 blocks away and was held in the York County Prison in lieu of $25,000 bail. He was charged with criminal attempt to commit robbery.

I hope he goes through with his threat to file a complaint. I want to read the banks reply.

279 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:57:43am

re: #276 legalpad

No. I missed that. So Dennis Miller is a boat jumper? And is Palin a ditz? I don't know.

280 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:58:42am

re: #253 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning Goddess.

*bows deeply

281 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:58:48am

It's so hard to yell at misbehaving students when I have a sore throat from a cold...

282 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:58:49am

re: #275 NYCHardhat

I just stood there, jaw on the floor. I don't believe people are stupid, but I don't know where they get their logic.

Well, we don't know what it is.

283 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:59:06am

re: #266 unclassifiable

I am pro-coffee also.

Does that make me a racist?


Only if you like it light ;)

284 Luigi  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 3:59:14am

I feel silly ranting about the Israel Pali war. I feel like I'm playing the script the media is handing me. In cooperation with Hamas, and with the liberal movement in America, Israel Pali news was blanked out during the entire election season under cover of a so-called truce. Hamas could have just such a truce anytime they wish if they would just stop dropping their munitions on the heads of innocent Israeli townsfolk.

I'm off. Have a nice day.

285 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:00:10am

re: #270 legalpad

I have six shots of espresso almost every morning.

OMG...are the walls of your office or house made of rubber to facilitate the bouncing that follows?

286 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:00:23am

re: #276 legalpad

Do you mean on O Reilly? I think he was just wishing Obama to do well by the country out if respect for the office.

287 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:00:50am

re: #276 legalpad

Did you did Dennis Miller's Obama supporting comments a couple of nights ago? As for Palin: They keep building up their myth.

I wouldn't say that he exactly supported Obama. He simply said that Obama is soon to be our President and deserves the respect that goes along with the position. I believe he also said that we should watch him closely. Or was that O'Reilly.

288 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:01:44am

re: #279 NYCHardhat

No. I missed that. So Dennis Miller is a boat jumper? And is Palin a ditz? I don't know.

No. Miller is OK. He was just not being like the Bush-bashing Dems. About Palin. Palin of course not a ditz. The lefties keep repeating that she is so they can try to turn the false myth into "conventional wisdom".

289 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:01:47am

I just finished listening to Michael Steele on FNC...I like him as a choice for RNC chairman!

290 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:02:41am

re: #285 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OMG...are the walls of your office or house made of rubber to facilitate the bouncing that follows?

No - bouncing - one gets conditioned. I'm an adrenalin junkie.

291 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:03:07am

re: #273 Luigi

Perfectly understandable retaliation by Israel. Restrained actually.

My point is that even if Israel could trust the Egyptian and the Gazans to conduct peaceful trade (they can't -- it's fantasy thinking) Egypt STILL will not provide investment (as well as Gaza's other Arab supporters) because they have always taken the attitude that the Gazan's are more useful as human bulldozers to push the Israelis out.

There are numerous article's on the Arab League's refusal to do anything other than insist on Israel's self-destruction and resettlement by the Gazan and West Bank Arabs.

There is no argument here from this quarter on Israel's actions.

292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:03:35am

re: #290 legalpad

No - bouncing - one gets conditioned. I'm an adrenalin junkie.

I hope so...I'm having heart palpitations just thinking about all of that caffeine.

293 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:04:21am

re: #287 Ford_Prefect

I wouldn't say that he exactly supported Obama. He simply said that Obama is soon to be our President and deserves the respect that goes along with the position. I believe he also said that we should watch him closely. Or was that O'Reilly.

Yeah - you put it better.

294 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:04:41am

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom

A nerf ball gun is a tempting suggestion but I guess that would make you the formergoddessoftheclassroom.

295 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:05:04am

re: #288 legalpad

That is one difference in nutty leftists and people like myself. I reiterated basically what Miller said. I didn't vote for him, but I wish him luck and support him. This was right before she said that Bush deserved the bashing he got the last 8 years.

296 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:05:34am

re: #286 Bumr50

Right.

297 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:06:07am

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom

It's so hard to yell at misbehaving students when I have a sore throat from a cold...

Take a wooden yard stick and whack them instead?

298 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:08:38am

re: #297 MandyManners

Take a wooden yard stick and whack them instead?

Good morning Mandy.

I went to Catholic schools for 12 years. That is exactly what they used to do. Either that or throw chalk or erasers.

299 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:09:46am

re: #290 legalpad

No - bouncing - one gets conditioned. I'm an adrenalin junkie.

I'd have to main-line diazepam.

300 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:12:16am

re: #275 NYCHardhat

Logic ain't got nothing to do with it.

Right now they are happy. They won. They beat us. We are losers.

And that is about it because 1/20/2009 all the good feelings in the world don't mean diddly.

301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:12:37am

Uggg...my day has started off well. My 13yo just got a spanking, a spanking! For her smart ass mouth and her lecturing me on what she is and isn't going to do...I haven't spanked her in ages.
Here I am, fighting to breathe (I have a bad upper respritory infection) and she's giving me shit.
I am so sick of dealing with a kid with ADHD/ODD. Her dad, my Ex has no clue.
Sorry for the rant.

302 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:13:24am

re: #294 unclassifiable

A nerf ball gun is a tempting suggestion but I guess that would make you the formergoddessoftheclassroom.

She'd remain a goddess. So it'd be "goddessformerlyoftheclassroom" wouldn't it?

303 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:13:32am

re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom

It's so hard to yell at misbehaving students when I have a sore throat from a cold...

LOL. I once had teacher, Grade 4 or 5 IIRC, who used to whisper very loudly when she had a sore throat, sort of like a hissing noise.
It was amazing how quiet the class got.
We were all so startled and fascinated by this technique.

304 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:15:07am

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

been there done that. thank g-d they grow out of it
human teenagers can be a royal pain in the ass

305 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:15:32am

re: #299 MandyManners

I'd have to main-line diazepam.

I must produce it naturally. I can have a quad shot and go right to sleep.

306 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:15:34am

re: #302 fat bastard vegetarian

Of course. I standsit corrected.

307 Long Nics are Looonnng  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:15:37am

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Hey Pulchie!

It's what they do. My daughter was impossible from 11.5 - 13.5. Just turned 18, we haven't argued in years.

308 alexknyc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:16:20am

re: #21 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It was a great game. And Belecheck not kicking that field goal on fourth down from the 24 yard line in the third quarter came back to bite him in the butt. Terrible call there.

I said the same thing to a friend-- always take the points when you can.

309 razorbacker  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:16:22am

Re: Deer Hunting

My wife made an interesting observation. "You're like some supervisor from hell. As long as the poor deer are taking care of business (caring for young, making new deer) you remain invisible. But let some poor schmuck wander by with his head in the clouds and picking at his nose and you terminate him."

My years in management are paying off.

310 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:16:45am

re: #300 unclassifiable

This is true. Unfortunately, anything tha bad happens on Bambi's watch will be placed squarely on the shoulders of the Bush Administration. I'm going to cancel my cable due to the media being the downfall of our society.

311 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:17:24am

re: #304 yochanan

been there done that. thank g-d they grow out of it
human teenagers can be a royal pain in the ass

I'm far easier on her than my mom was on me...which is probally a mistake, but my mom was sooo strict. My daughter, due to the ODD issue, is very aggressive...she really gets into my personal space.

312 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:18:15am

re: #309 razorbacker

Re: Deer Hunting

My wife made an interesting observation. "You're like some supervisor from hell. As long as the poor deer are taking care of business (caring for young, making new deer) you remain invisible. But let some poor schmuck wander by with his head in the clouds and picking at his nose and you terminate him."

My years in management are paying off.

LOL!

313 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:19:13am

re: #310 NYCHardhat

This is true. Unfortunately, anything tha bad happens on Bambi's watch will be placed squarely on the shoulders of the Bush Administration. I'm going to cancel my cable due to the media being the downfall of our society.

I'm keeping cable only for the benefit of season three of The Tudors and reception with rabbit ears sucks where I live.

314 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:19:19am

re: #292 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I hope so...I'm having heart palpitations just thinking about all of that caffeine.

Actually, there are advantages of espresso over regular coffee: less acid, less volume. You don't drink it all day like some do coffee. And all coffee is good for the liver and is an anti-oxidant.

315 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:19:44am

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I dinged you up.

Not that I thought your situation was great but just that I thought you needed a little support.

316 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:20:21am

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Uggg...my day has started off well. My 13yo just got a spanking, a spanking! For her smart ass mouth and her lecturing me on what she is and isn't going to do...I haven't spanked her in ages.
Here I am, fighting to breathe (I have a bad upper respritory infection) and she's giving me shit.
I am so sick of dealing with a kid with ADHD/ODD. Her dad, my Ex has no clue.
Sorry for the rant.

Sorry to heare of your trouble.

As a father of 3, all I can say is you are not alone.

My kids were convinced their parents were the dumbest thing on two shoes from about age 13 for quite a few years.

My 24 year old, who graduated college, got a job and her own bills to pay 2 years ago, has just become amazed in the last 18 months or so how smart we actually are.

317 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:21:28am

re: #289 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Right now they're debating the automaker bailouts. There is no debate. They CANNOT make money here with the UAW in place. They have created a system of management that sets as a business goal to "not lose too much money and create a panic" while maintaining this tireless facade that they are still juggernauts domestically.
Steve Forbes says that they're globally diversified enough to survive not doing business in North America.
I say let em' burn.

318 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:21:28am

re: #315 unclassifiable

I dinged you up.

Not that I thought your situation was great but just that I thought you needed a little support.

Thanks! I'm usualy much more in control with her, but today I'm so out of it...I haven't been this sick in years. Had to get a big, stinging shot in the bum yesterday and have to take HUGE horsepill size antibiotics etc for the next 10 days.

319 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:21:33am

re: #301 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I spanked mys daughters at age 14. I can't remember why.

320 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:22:03am

re: #310 NYCHardhat

What about football and hockey?!

321 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:22:22am

re: #311 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

i had 3 human male teenagers at one time one had adhd/with depression and other mental issues, and one had learning disabilities.
and offen it was like war between the three of them went through two sets of dinning room chairs (did not know they made good clubs did'yeah)

now all three of them are married two with kids and one with a kid on the way. now that they are all grown up it has gotten easier

322 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:23:01am

re: #320 Bumr50

True love is sacrifice. I love my country.

323 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:23:53am

re: #317 Bumr50

Right now they're debating the automaker bailouts. There is no debate. They CANNOT make money here with the UAW in place. They have created a system of management that sets as a business goal to "not lose too much money and create a panic" while maintaining this tireless facade that they are still juggernauts domestically.
Steve Forbes says that they're globally diversified enough to survive not doing business in North America.
I say let em' burn.

I have to agree with you there...even though the markets and jobs in other, related industries will be affected.
The people in this country have to face the fact that there is nothing that the gov't can do to stave off the deep recession we are sliding into...it's best to let it work it's way out, as it always does.

324 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:24:42am

re: #321 yochanan

i had 3 human male teenagers at one time

So, what other species have you raised?/

325 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:25:18am

re: #316 3 wood

I know that when I was in highschool (15 yrs ago or so), liberal parents were a problem for MY parents.
Their "hands off", "open relationship," type of parenting lent itself to all of us going to their houses when we were up to no good.
And when they're in the majority I would argue that "EVERYBODY else's parents were cool with it!"

326 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:26:03am

You guys are scaring me. Mine is only two and a half and she already is very independent. I have a feeling that she is going to be a real handfull in ten years.

327 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:27:03am

re: #323 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Someone needs to push back on the unions. It's going to be difficult with all these Democrats.

328 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:27:23am

re: #317 Bumr50

If they are headed there, let them go into bankruptcy and then reorganize. There is no one in the world that could take over any of those three companies and succeed with those labor contracts in place.

329 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:27:44am

re: #327 Bumr50

Someone needs to push back on the unions. It's going to be difficult with all these Democrats.

I know...unions ruin companies.

330 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:27:55am

re: #327 Bumr50

Someone needs to push back on the unions. It's going to be difficult with all these Democrats.

And some of the damn Republicans.

331 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:27:55am

re: #324 legalpad

So, what other species have you raised?/

the question is are male teenagers HUMAN? At the time i was in doubt now that they are in there 20's they are almost human

332 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:28:08am

Out of here.

Take care lizards.

Back on later (hopefully).

333 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:28:08am

re: #325 Bumr50

There is a family that lives just two houses down from me that is that "liberal parents" house. There 15 year old daughter now has a one year old son.

334 gregg  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:28:35am

Heartache: Due to the recession, five British pubs are closing their doors every day (from Bloomberg news).

335 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:28:39am

re: #323 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I have to agree with you there...even though the markets and jobs in other, related industries will be affected.
The people in this country have to face the fact that there is nothing that the gov't can do to stave off the deep recession we are sliding into...it's best to let it work it's way out, as it always does.

There are things they could do to make things better. They're not going to do them, though.

336 x-wing  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:28:48am

re: #326 Ford_Prefect

I remember when mine was two. What a handful he was then. My friends wouls tell me" it gets better when they get older."

/here I actually thought they meant the child would get better.

337 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:30:02am

re: #333 Ford_Prefect

There is a family that lives just two houses down from me that is that "liberal parents" house. There Their 15 year old daughter now has a one year old son.

Sorry. Not all the way through my tea yet.

338 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:30:17am

re: #334 gregg

Heartache: Due to the recession, five British pubs are closing their doors every day (from Bloomberg news).

Damn!

339 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:30:51am

re: #333 Ford_Prefect

There is a family that lives just two houses down from me that is that "liberal parents" house. There 15 year old daughter now has a one year old son.

She was FOURTEEN when she had him? Who's the father?

340 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:31:12am

re: #334 gregg

Heartache: Due to the recession, five British pubs are closing their doors every day (from Bloomberg news).

BAILOUT!

341 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:31:32am

re: #331 yochanan

the question is are male teenagers HUMAN? At the time i was in doubt now that they are in there 20's they are almost human

lol! Right. I've raised five of them, almost. One of them had about 90 friends of his come over and they were like locusts - they ate everything, drank everything. I called them the Langoliers.

342 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:31:35am

re: #333 Ford_Prefect

God, I hate liberals.

343 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:31:48am

re: #334 gregg

Heartache: Due to the recession, five British pubs are closing their doors every day (from Bloomberg news).

Can we bail out pubs and nothing else?

344 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:31:54am

re: #335 legalpad

There are things they could do to make things better. They're not going to do them, though.

Nope. And the sad thing is that they will end up bankrupt anyway.

345 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:32:02am

ditto re: #342 NYCHardhat

God, I hate liberals.

346 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:32:08am

re: #339 MandyManners

She was FOURTEEN when she had him? Who's the father?


Most likely another randy 14 yo

347 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:32:24am

re: #339 MandyManners

She was FOURTEEN when she had him? Who's the father?

Another 14 year old. Don't worry though...they are going to stay together, she is going to go to college and he is going to play basketball professionally, so everything will turn out alright. ///

348 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:32:36am

Look for the market to open sightly down today. The futures are pointing down slightly this morning. Also, the pattern has been for a sell off the day after a rally as the short sellers go back to hammering stocks again. I see no reason for them to not do that today.

In looking at the market, you have to understand that the dynamics have changed from what they were before.

To begin with, a lot of people who used to be buyers when the market was dropping are now gone. With all of the lay offs, Lehman Brothers closing, and so many people cashed out of the market and standing on the sidelines, there is very little buying pressure now when things are headed south. There are a whole lot fewer buyers to step in front of the train, so to speak.

Second, you have so much bad news out there that the short sellers are just hammering these stock prices. That's a big reason why you saw the market jump up yesterday about 900 points for the low point, once it turned you had all these short seller scrambling to close out their positions.

Congrats to Obama for the rise in the DOW yesterday. Now the market is only down about 1,100 points since he was elected.

349 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:33:04am

re: #346 shanec99

Most likely another randy 14 yo

BINGO!

350 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:33:10am

re: #339 MandyManners
the dad?

351 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:33:11am

re: #339 MandyManners

She was FOURTEEN when she had him? Who's the father?


And why isn't he in jail for statutory rape. If that had been my daughter, he would be and my daughter would be in a convent school.

352 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:33:20am

re: #342 NYCHardhat

God, I hate liberals.

I tend to not hate - however much I oppose - but I think Al Franken is an exception.

353 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:33:26am

re: #342 NYCHardhat

God, I hate liberals.

As a musician most of my friends are liberals and I am afraid that over the next four years I will lose the last shred of patience I have with some of them.

354 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:33:35am

re: #334 gregg

Heartache: Due to the recession, five British pubs are closing their doors every day (from Bloomberg news).

What about the mice?

Some Guinness was spilled on the barroom floor
when the pub was shut for the night.
Out of his hole crept a wee brown mouse
and stood in the pale moonlight.
He lapped up the frothy brew from the floor,
then back on his haunches he sat.
And all night long you could hear him roar,
'Bring on the fuckin' cat!'

355 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:10am

re: #353 freedombilly

You too huh?

356 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:10am

re: #346 shanec99

Most likely another randy 14 yo

Is it even legal?

357 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:25am

re: #326 Ford_Prefect
My two girls wil turn 14 in less than two months. So far, it's mostly good. Lots of moodiness, and the bathrooms are overrun with products, but we aren't ready to sell them to the gypsies.
Yet.

358 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:41am

re: #347 Ford_Prefect

Another 14 year old. Don't worry though...they are going to stay together, she is going to go to college and he is going to play basketball professionally, so everything will turn out alright. ///

Well, good to know they have plans.

*sigh*

359 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:57am

re: #344 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Nope. And the sad thing is that they will end up bankrupt anyway.

Right. Oh - maybe they'll shrink the national debt./

360 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:57am

re: #347 Ford_Prefect

Another 14 year old. Don't worry though...they are going to stay together, she is going to go to college and he is going to play basketball professionally, so everything will turn out alright. ///

Dont forget, it takes a village to raise a child. So you conservatives didnt do your part to help those hard working liberals raise their daughter. So now you will get a second chance to help them raise thier grand child. Don't mess it up now. ( I hope no one notices my sarcasm)

361 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:34:59am

re: #329 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Here in PA, we have what's known as a "closed shop" state. I took a job at a local grocery store a few years back, and as soon as I was hired they started taking union dues out of my $8.00 an hour paycheck.
I told them I wanted to strike for higher wages and they laughed at me.
I've since informed the union that since I no longer work there, they can remove me from their rolls.
I still get a statement six years later for my $7.00 worth of pension that I accrued.
The parking attendants here in Pittsburgh have a union, and I was even approached by a Food & Beverage local when I waited tables.
I guess my point is that it's just unspoken "reality" here and all through the rust belt that the union is your friend.

362 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:35:10am

i had twins and one that was 2 years older than the twins. 3 boys.

363 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:35:11am

re: #351 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

And why isn't he in jail for statutory rape. If that had been my daughter, he would be and my daughter would be in a convent school.

Before he was born the girl's father told me that they had been dating for about a year and a half. And he saw nothing wrong with that.

*pounding my head against my desk

364 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:36:00am

Gotta' drag The Kid outta' bed. bbiab

365 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:36:27am

re: #356 MandyManners

Is it even legal?

The baby is there whether or not it is legal. Thank heavens they didnt suggest she abort the baby. That would have been worse.

366 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:36:30am

re: #357 Jim in Virginia

key word YET

367 gregg  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:37:42am

re: #340 Ford_Prefect

BAILOUT!

Instead of giving the money directly to the bars, issues beer stamps (kind of like food stamps) to the public that can only be used to buy beer/cocktails at bars.

368 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:38:01am

re: #355 NYCHardhat

I do have a couple of very liberal friends who are very smart and thoughtful. They are the incredibly rare examples of liberals who have thought through their political views almost all the way to reality. We can have discussions and agree to disagree.

But I've also got a couple that are just damn idiots. I don't have discussions with them because I can talk them into a corner logically speaking in less than three minutes and then things get testy.

They think I've wandered off the reservation big time.

369 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:38:08am

re: #365 shanec99

The baby is there whether or not it is legal. Thank heavens they didnt suggest she abort the baby. That would have been worse.

There have been some good ads out about not aborting people. The fire-fighter woman one, for example. Excellent way to deal with the issue.

370 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:38:25am

re: #360 shanec99

Dont forget, it takes a village to raise a child. So you conservatives didnt do your part to help those hard working liberals raise their daughter. So now you will get a second chance to help them raise thier grand child. Don't mess it up now. ( I hope no one notices my sarcasm)

I have been doing my best to keep my daughter away from their son. That is my part in raising him. Because if he turns out anything like his parents and comes around my daughter I will have to start sharpening my axe, and that wouldn't be good for his growth into a responsible adult.

371 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:38:27am

I remember complaining to a famly friend who has 3 teenaged girls at the time i had 3 teenaged boys and i said boys were harder and she answered well with 4 women in the house and they could all have PMS at the same time MY ANSWER WAS YOU WIN

372 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:38:33am

re: #363 Ford_Prefect

Before he was born the girl's father told me that they had been dating for about a year and a half. And he saw nothing wrong with that.

*pounding my head against my desk


OMG...DATING at 14? My daughter, who turns 14 in February, is already asking to wear make up and likes a boy. She knows that she will not be allowed to date until she's 16. Make up is a big no as well. She thinks I'm too strict.
I am considering putting her on The Pill though, as I can't control what she does when she isn't home.

373 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:38:58am

re: #353 freedombilly

I'm a music lover and haven't been able to chat in many of those rooms lately. They truly believe that Obama has Great Ideas.

Artists don't annoy me near as much as activists. And with them I can always take the conversation back to music.

374 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:39:21am

re: #365 shanec99

The baby is there whether or not it is legal. Thank heavens they didnt suggest she abort the baby. That would have been worse.

They didn't know until she about six months pregnant. The daughter claims she didn't know either.

375 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:39:42am

re: #368 freedombilly

Those smart liberals I call independents in my social circle.

376 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:40:56am

re: #371 yochanan

I remember complaining to a famly friend who has 3 teenaged girls at the time i had 3 teenaged boys and i said boys were harder and she answered well with 4 women in the house and they could all have PMS at the same time MY ANSWER WAS YOU WIN

LOL...I'm the eldest of three girls, so it was me, my mom and my two sisters at home. Poor daddy...but we also spoiled him.

Now, it's me and my two girls. My 9 yo is on the same cycle as me and her older sister. My boyfriend knows when to bring chocolate and slide it carefully in the door.

377 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:41:09am

re: #373 Bumr50

The Sonic Youth show in Battery Park this past July 4th was very good. Although is was an Obama slobfest, it was good.

378 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:42:59am

re: #373 Bumr50

What blows my mind about musicians is the number of people whom I have just met who just start talking about politics and assume that I agree with their liberal views (especially recently). They just start talking about how evil Bush is or about how Obama is going to lower sea levels or anything else. But they do it in a very condescending tone that is completely looking down on any opposing view point which they assume is not me.

I have taken to sometimes saying "Since we're talking about politics what religion are you?" That usually gets an uncomfortable chuckle and then they shut up.

379 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:43:02am

Gotta run! Time to dress for work. It's also Mass day for the 9yo, so she has the formal uniform to dress in. Hay ride tonight though with her Brownie troop...yummm Someores!

380 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:43:09am

re: #372 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OMG...DATING at 14? My daughter, who turns 14 in February, is already asking to wear make up and likes a boy. She knows that she will not be allowed to date until she's 16. Make up is a big no as well. She thinks I'm too strict.
I am considering putting her on The Pill though, as I can't control what she does when she isn't home.

It is a tough spot. You hate to go The Pill route because it is like giving her permission, but on the other hand if you figure she will do it anyway then it avoids a terrible situation. God I am not looking forward to those years.

381 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:44:44am

Good day all. Gotta make some money for the Obama supporters.

382 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:45:04am

re: #381 NYCHardhat

Good day all. Gotta make some money for the Obama supporters.

Spread the wealth!
/

383 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:45:54am

re: #380 Ford_Prefect

It is a tough spot. You hate to go The Pill route because it is like giving her permission, but on the other hand if you figure she will do it anyway then it avoids a terrible situation. God I am not looking forward to those years.

I know...it's a conundrum. Both of the girls know my views on sex outside of marriage, but that didn't stop me and thank God my parents were open with me and smart enough to make sure I knew the consequences. I'm doing the same with my girls, even though my youngest thinks it's gross when I talk about womens things.

384 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:46:13am

CNN is doing a segment on what pieces of Obama swag will be worth somewhere down the line.

It is early to have my stomach upset.

385 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:46:33am

My[ 9 yo says Hi, BTW.

Now I really have to get dressed. Later all!

386 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:47:26am

I mentioned this yesterday, but I;ll repeat it here FWIW:

3 Wood's five step plan to prosperity

1. Open exchange desk for the mortgage backed securities. This will provide a clear, transparent, market based price on these securities so finally we can all know what these things are worth. I can get a price for any publicly traded stock, I should be able to get a price for these things too. I know this is in the works.

2. Cut capital gains tax and corporate earnings tax to zero for the foreseeable future. Capital would flood back into the market and corporations would start expanding, and employment would jump. Foreign capital would shift to the US and the dollar would jump in value as well.

3. Set up a payback schedule for every company that got a bail out to pay back every dime within 5 years. Every company that does not make that goal will have the senior management fired and replaced for 1 year. If they are not paid up current at thend of year 6, fire that management group and so forth.

4. No bail out for the auto makers. Let the 3 auto makers declare chapter 11 bankruptcy and restructure themselves. That would let them renegotiate their agreements, unload excess staff, fire the senior management that screwed this up, and come back leaner and competitive. The plant and equipment is there. Someone will use it.

5. Fire the head of the SEC Cox today and start putting handcuffs on the people who committed fraud in all this. There has to be an accountability brought back to the system.


By the way, the timing of the market surge yesterday was very closely aligned to when Moonbatr Dodd said that he doubted the Democrats had the votes to bail out the auto makers.

387 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:47:29am

re: #355 NYCHardhat

My favourite artists are the Pink Floyd (RIP Richard) and it irks me to no end that Roger Waters, the guy that played the giant concert celebrating the fall of the Berlin Wall, bashes Bush and the US unapologetically in"Leaving Beirut" and supports Obama and the same type of socialism that eventually leads to big heavily guarded walls.
In an interview on the Making of The Dark Side DVD, Waters states that his philosophy is that we're all basically the same person that we were when we were two or three years old. I'm not sure if success at a young age reinforces this belief that no doubt leads to a liberal way of thinking, but it got me to thinking that many successful artists probably have absolutely no idea what work is, and wealth has always been there for them.
I'm seeing more and more Deadheads and jamband lovers coming over to our side though.
I'm more of a Dave Gilmour guy anyway.

388 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:48:00am

Ayers on ABC.

389 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:49:34am

re: #357 Jim in Virginia

My two girls wil turn 14 in less than two months. So far, it's mostly good. Lots of moodiness, and the bathrooms are overrun with products, but we aren't ready to sell them to the gypsies.
Yet.

Two words of advice:

Get ready.

390 tappin52  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:50:09am

re: #341 legalpad

lol! Right. I've raised five of them, almost. One of them had about 90 friends of his come over and they were like locusts - they ate everything, drank everything. I called them the Langoliers.

I remember that movie.

391 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:50:35am

re: #388 freedombilly

Ayers on ABC.

Is it too early to shoot my TV?

392 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:50:39am

re: #386 3 wood

Good ideas. Copied it. But I don't think the thieves are finished with our national economy yet.

393 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:51:22am

re: #390 tappin52

I remember that movie.

Scared the snot out of me.

394 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:52:00am

re: #380 Ford_Prefect
My dad was brilliant.When I was 16 he told me that either he had raised me to know right from wrong and act accordingly, in which case he had nothing to worry about; or he hadn't, and at that point coud not do anything about it.
I'm sure it did not stop him from worrying but there is a point where your kids have to make their own decisions. And then live with them.

395 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:52:09am

re: #391 MandyManners

Is it too early to shoot my TV?

No. It's too late. Obama already won.

396 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:52:21am

ann dunwoody is nominated to be the first female 4 star general
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

397 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:52:48am

re: #378 freedombilly

I honestly think that much of this is the responsibility of the far left's trashing of George Bush than any particular philosophy. I think most people are just parroting what they've heard from people they've held in high esteem. I've been saying a lot lately that not since Nixon has an American name been so intentionally slandered to connote "evil" than Bush. And the most disgusting thing is that I don't think many of the people behind it even feel that way on an honest level. They're just social manipulators.
Maybe I'm paranoid.

398 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:55:52am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Here is a beautiful calendar that will be in today's Australian newspaper

The photos are just gorgeous, and I just thought I'd share them with you!

399 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:55:54am

re: #397 Bumr50

I honestly think that much of this is the responsibility of the far left's trashing of George Bush

Yes. They sacrificed pursuing actual solutions to this indulgence. They helped prolong our military activities and trash the economy with this.

400 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:56:44am

re: #391 MandyManners

Is it too early to shoot my TV?

Don't shoot it. Bomb it!

401 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:57:31am

re: #394 Jim in Virginia

I just wish that more people that find themselves in the spot that my neighbors are in would consider adoption. The child would definitely be better off, and I believe that the mother would be too. I know a couple of women who have done this and have gone on to live happy, fulfilled lives. On the other hand I know couple of women who went the abortion route and they are as screwed up as they can be. As for single motherhood, I think that for some that is fine and commendable (I am not talking about divorce situations here), but for a 14 year old girl it is just not in anyone's best interest.

402 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:57:40am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Here is a beautiful calendar that will be in today's Australian newspaper

The photos are just gorgeous, and I just thought I'd share them with you!

Got a beautiful country there!

403 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:59:28am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

Beautiful! Can I come over?

404 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 4:59:30am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Here is a beautiful calendar that will be in today's Australian newspaper

The photos are just gorgeous, and I just thought I'd share them with you!

Very nice. I would love to visit your lovely country one day.

405 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:00:25am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Here is a beautiful calendar that will be in today's Australian newspaper

The photos are just gorgeous, and I just thought I'd share them with you!

I'm moving to Tasmania!

Thanks for sharing. Gorgeous.

406 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:00:26am

I just watched the entire Ayers piece. That guy is a condescending, elitist, smug, crack smoking terrorist. Holy shit.

And did you hear that in the afterword of the re-release of his memoirs that he refers to Obama as a "neighbor and family friend"?

Puke.

407 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:00:38am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

but for a 14 year old girl it is just not in anyone's best interest.

If we had a true national community instead of lying partisans dominating the media, people would be so much better informed and would have such a better spirit. This would be more rare and people would more easily see the best solutions when they did have this problem.

408 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:00:41am

Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.

— Aldous Huxley

Thats probably my favorite so far, Charles.
I wonder if a liberal would be able to comprehend that statement.

409 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:00:44am

re: #400 freedombilly

Don't shoot it. Bomb it!

Is that you, Ayers?

410 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:01:41am

re: #409 MandyManners

Is that you, Ayers?

ROTFLMFAO!

freedombillyayers!

Bwahahaha!

411 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:02:36am

re: #401 Ford_Prefect

Why didn't they have her on birth control? Depo-provera?

412 yochanan  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:03:00am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

nice pics oz is great my father was in oz during ww2 and a couple of years ago i found out i have cousins who are aussie.

413 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:03:05am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Here is a beautiful calendar that will be in today's Australian newspaper

The photos are just gorgeous, and I just thought I'd share them with you!

Beautiful, and a nice way to welcome the world first thing in the AM - at least for those of here in the USA - you guys down there in 'tomorrowland' are sleeping..?

Is it true Australia has spiders as big as dinner plates & that they make giant webs between trees?

414 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:03:48am

re: #398 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Here is a beautiful calendar that will be in today's Australian newspaper

The photos are just gorgeous, and I just thought I'd share them with you!

Breathtaking photos. I would love to visit.

415 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:04:50am

re: #407 legalpad

If we had a true national community instead of lying partisans dominating the media, people would be so much better informed and would have such a better spirit. This would be more rare and people would more easily see the best solutions when they did have this problem.

Exactly. Organizations like Planned Parenthood need to be called what they are, Pro-Abortion, not Pro-Choice. If they were truly Pro-Choice than adoption would be a big part of their message, instead it is all about abortion anytime anyplace.

416 Fibonacci  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:04:55am

Gay Terror-- Activists Send White Powder to Mormon TemplesGay Terror-- Activists Send White Powder to Mormon Temples

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

What has become of the "Get in their Face" Left?

417 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:05:17am

re: #413 GGMac

giant spider

418 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:06:26am

re: #397 Bumr50

I honestly think that much of this is the responsibility of the far left's trashing of George Bush than any particular philosophy. I think most people are just parroting what they've heard from people they've held in high esteem. I've been saying a lot lately that not since Nixon has an American name been so intentionally slandered to connote "evil" than Bush. And the most disgusting thing is that I don't think many of the people behind it even feel that way on an honest level. They're just social manipulators.
Maybe I'm paranoid.

I think that is fair and accurate.

Watch any MSM news broadcast for an hour, if you can stomach it. At some point it will degrade into a "I hate Bush" fest, where the commentators actually cheer each other on to say ever more nasty things.

But you better make sure to give Obama the benefit of all doubt.

419 tappin52  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:06:48am

Even though Bill Ayers may not have personally placed the bombs, in the eyes of the law isn't he just as guilty for conspiring?

420 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:07:13am

I'm trying to share a comment with ABC about their interview with th "professor." It keeps saying invalid verb. I say "invalid verb" them!

421 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:07:21am

re: #419 tappin52

Even though Bill Ayers may not have personally placed the bombs, in the eyes of the law isn't he just as guilty for conspiring?

He's got a lot of white guilt that's for sure.

422 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:07:30am

re: #416 Fibonacci

What has become of the "Get in their Face" Left?

Because Obama won.

It's open season on conservatives and especially people of faith now.

423 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:07:57am

Ayers is one ugly fucker.

424 marge45b  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:08:07am

re: #307 fat bastard vegetarian

My 12 year old has it, I call it the "mouth." She has to counter everything I say.

425 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:08:10am

re: #411 MandyManners

Why didn't they have her on birth control? Depo-provera?

Because she was a 'good girl' who wouldn't do that sort of thing. Her friends might, but she wouldn't. After all, that is what she told her mother during those 'open' discussions. I told my wife long before any of this happened that there was no way she wasn't sexually active. I see the way she and her friends dress. Hookers would envy their outfits. She still dresses like that, btw.

426 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:08:13am

re: #419 tappin52

Even though Bill Ayers may not have personally placed the bombs, in the eyes of the law isn't he just as guilty for conspiring?

Yes.

427 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:08:40am

re: #419 tappin52

Even though Bill Ayers may not have personally placed the bombs, in the eyes of the law isn't he just as guilty for conspiring?

Yes, but his daddy was pres of Com-Ed, so he bought hisself some justice.

428 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:08:47am

re: #425 Ford_Prefect

Because she was a 'good girl' who wouldn't do that sort of thing. Her friends might, but she wouldn't. After all, that is what she told her mother during those 'open' discussions. I told my wife long before any of this happened that there was no way she wasn't sexually active. I see the way she and her friends dress. Hookers would envy their outfits. She still dresses like that, btw.

Is she on BC now?!

429 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:09:20am

re: #427 Taqyia2Me

Yes, but his daddy was pres of Com-Ed, so he bought hisself some justice.

The Feds screwed the pooch on that one by not following the laws on surveillance.

430 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:09:41am

re: #402 legalpad

Got a beautiful country there!

Yes and I'm glad you liked the photos!

431 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:09:46am

re: #423 MandyManners

Ayers is one ugly fucker.

Inside much moreso than outside. The face of evil.

432 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:10:02am

Fucker calls it "the politics of fear" when he was the one blowing up shit!

433 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:10:26am

re: #417 bellamags

giant spider

Yeeggcchhh!

Don't like spidys! :0

434 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:10:31am

re: #423 MandyManners

Ayers is one ugly fucker.

The ear rings make him look very creepy.

435 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:12:23am

re: #431 Taqyia2Me

Inside much moreso than outside. The face of evil.

His skin looks unnaturally tight. I wonder if he's had a face-lift.

436 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:13:19am

re: #434 freedombilly

The ear rings make him look very creepy.

He probably thinks it makes him look hip.

437 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:13:24am

re: #432 MandyManners

Fucker calls it "the politics of fear" when he was the one blowing up shit!

All the most evil people are pious, self-righteous.

438 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:13:56am

re: #403 Bumr50

Beautiful! Can I come over?

Of course! And with our $ at $0.65 to yours, it's in your favour for your spending too

And of course, we love you now that Obama is in

/ sarc

439 tappin52  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:14:15am

re: #437 legalpad

You are so right.

440 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:14:33am

re: #432 MandyManners

Fucker calls it "the politics of fear" when he was the one blowing up shit!

My favorite line, when commenting if the bombings had killed someone, was something to the effect of "if someone had actually been killed it would have affected us and them profoundly".

I would say that killing someone could definitely be argued as affecting them.

441 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:14:35am

re: #437 legalpad

All the most evil people are pious, self-righteous.

CBBHO is the most pious and self-righteous politician I've seen in my life.

442 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:14:36am

re: #435 MandyManners

His skin looks unnaturally tight. I wonder if he's had a face-lift.

Vain too? Absolutely!

443 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:15:05am

re: #440 freedombilly

My favorite line, when commenting if the bombings had killed someone, was something to the effect of "if someone had actually been killed it would have affected us and them profoundly".

I would say that killing someone could definitely be argued as affecting them.

People WERE killed.

444 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:15:13am

re: #404 Ford_Prefect

Very nice. I would love to visit your lovely country one day.

You will be made very welcome :-)

445 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:15:21am

re: #442 Taqyia2Me

Vain too? Absolutely!

Dare I say, "narcissistic"?

446 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:15:25am

re: #434 freedombilly

He never had to grow up.
Personally, just looking at him brings to mind a little loser who would never have been anybody without a "cause."

His ego depends on his politics.

447 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:15:54am

re: #441 MandyManners

CBBHO is the most pious and self-righteous politician I've seen in my life.

That is interesting. Shit.

448 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:16:18am

re: #428 MandyManners

Is she on BC now?!

I couldn't tell ya'. I will let you know when kid number two arrives.

449 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:16:23am

re: #438 aussiemagpie

Thanks! Are your parents liberals?

/sarc

450 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:16:46am

re: #441 MandyManners

CBBHO is the most pious and self-righteous politician I've seen in my life.

And now their ilk are working to destroy capitalism, Capitolism too.

451 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:17:06am

Good morning Lizards...

452 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:17:07am

re: #443 MandyManners

People WERE killed.

But he has rewritten the narrative. You obviously haven't read up!

And don't you bring facts into this.

453 tappin52  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:17:10am

I wonder how quickly the world will hate us again when Obama's policies bankrupt us and we can't send all of that spare change to every corner of the earth. And when ther next natural disaster does not turn on the humanitarian faucet of American people's generosity.

454 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:17:19am

re: #405 MandyManners

I'm moving to Tasmania!

Thanks for sharing. Gorgeous.

Wineglass Bay is on my list of places to see in Tassie - it's a cold place though in winter, with the cold winds straight from the Antarctic

455 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:17:52am

Jindal's on Fox talking about remaking the GOP.

456 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:18:19am

Jindal is on Fox and Friends. I hope Charles is still asleep so he doesn't start his day with that guy on his television.

457 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:18:23am

re: #453 tappin52

I wonder how quickly the world will hate us again when Obama's policies bankrupt us and we can't send all of that spare change to every corner of the earth. And when ther next natural disaster does not turn on the humanitarian faucet of American people's generosity.

That's why voters NEED to be informed of a candidate's charitable giving, or, in the case of dems, lack thereof.

458 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:18:24am

Gotta' get the day rolling. bbl

459 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:18:36am

re: #455 MandyManners

Probably scrapping "GOP" would help.

460 Crux Australis  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:19:06am

hey, aussiemagpie. where do you live again?

461 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:20:00am

re: #412 yochanan

nice pics oz is great my father was in oz during ww2 and a couple of years ago i found out i have cousins who are aussie.

The Americans saved this country in WW11, thanks to people like your Dad

Have you been in touch with your cousins?

462 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:20:14am

re: #452 freedombilly

But he has rewritten the narrative. You obviously haven't read up!

And don't you bring facts into this.

Ayers

"Besides. It was their own fault. They should have left when the bomb threat was called in. What do you mean the call was never made? Shit...knew we forgot something."

463 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:20:26am

re: #451 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...

Mornin dorian. How's it going?

464 rightside  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:20:55am

re: #451 doriangrey
Hey dorian, morning.

465 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:21:07am

re: #423 MandyManners

Ayers is one ugly fucker.


Scruffy and unkempt - translates as contempt for the interviewer, and for the audience.

Nothing changes: he is of the ilk who confuse their fame with significance.

*spit*

466 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:21:13am

Morning Lizards.
Notice how Ayers has that same "looking down the nose, head tilt" that Obama has perfected. Must be something they learned in those board meetings.

467 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:21:16am

re: #462 Ford_Prefect

Ayers

"Besides. It was their own fault. They should have left when the bomb threat was called in. What do you mean the call was never made? Shit...knew we forgot something."

All that LSD didn't help their judgement, I'd say.

468 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:21:54am

re: #466 Beach Lover

Morning Lizards.
Notice how Ayers has that same "looking down the nose, head tilt" that Obama has perfected. Must be something they learned in those board meetings.

Minimum 4 years of that shit.

469 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:22:07am

re: #415 Ford_Prefect

Exactly. Organizations like Planned Parenthood need to be called what they are, Pro-Abortion, not Pro-Choice. If they were truly Pro-Choice than adoption would be a big part of their message, instead it is all about abortion anytime anyplace.

Actually, Planned Parenthood does provide adoption counseling and referrals to agencies that handle adoption.

470 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:22:24am

re: #461 aussiemagpie

The Americans saved this country in WW11, thanks to people like your Dad

Have you been in touch with your cousins?

World War Eleven? Man have I been out of touch. / :-)

471 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:22:53am

I wonder if the 2 Numnuts that were reported by the GF's parents for there Obama plot will be released with Ayer's as precident. Since being an unsuccessful bumbling murderer is obviously not the same as being a murderer. And in Bill Ayer's defence he only really killed his own members since tehres nothing actually linking him the the robbery in which 4 people were killed by his group (2 guards for the armored truck 1 cop 1 bystander if i remember the details properly).///

472 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:22:55am

re: #463 midwestgak

Mornin dorian. How's it going?

Gak! Been a few days. How are you doing:?

473 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:23:27am

re: #413 GGMac

Beautiful, and a nice way to welcome the world first thing in the AM - at least for those of here in the USA - you guys down there in 'tomorrowland' are sleeping..?

Is it true Australia has spiders as big as dinner plates & that they make giant webs between trees?

Thanks! Most are sleeping, but then there are night owls like me, tapping away at keyboards all over OZ :-)

I posted an article and pic a few weeks ago of a spider eating a bird in tropical Far North Queensland - and yes the spider was huge!

They're not quite so big here in Sydney though!

474 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:23:37am

re: #468 Taqyia2Me

Not to beat a dead horse but I'd rather have that than whatever Paulson does.
They should have him talk to the inmates at Gitmo. While it's still there.

475 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:23:46am

re: #469 JustMyView

Actually, Planned Parenthood does provide adoption counseling and referrals to agencies that handle adoption.

Any stats on how many adoption counseling and referrals they've made, in proportion to other "choices" they offer?

476 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:24:41am

re: #470 Ford_Prefect

World War Eleven?

Thgat sounds about right./

477 rightside  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:24:56am

re: #473 aussiemagpie
I was in Sydney in '03, although spent it all downtown. Very nice people, had a wonderful time.

478 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:25:05am

re: #396 yochanan

I've met Ann

479 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:25:43am

Adoption counseling at Planned parenthood is all about adopting a proabortion attitude.

480 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:25:46am

re: #414 bellamags

Breathtaking photos. I would love to visit.

I think a charter flight should be organised for all interested lizards to come here for a holiday :-)

Us Aussie lizards will be tour guides

481 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:26:12am

re: #472 reine.de.tout

Gak! Been a few days. How are you doing:?

Very well. Had to take a 6 hour product course along with all my regular work. Bogged me down.

How are you on this fine Friday?

482 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:27:16am

re: #481 midwestgak

Very well. Had to take a 6 hour product course along with all my regular work. Bogged me down.

How are you on this fine Friday?

Doing great!
I have a hair appt today. I love getting my hair done so I don't have to do it. always puts me in a good mood.

483 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:27:45am

Hillary as Sec of State? Guess he decided the old keeping your enemies closer thing has some merit, uh?

484 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:28:24am

re: #475 reine.de.tout

Any stats on how many adoption counseling and referrals they've made, in proportion to other "choices" they offer?

Did you notice that one sentence which said that adoption leaves the mother feeling worse than they had thought they would? Worse than abortion would have?

485 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:28:40am

Keep her close just way down the Chain of Succession.

486 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:28:54am

re: #463 midwestgak

Mornin dorian. How's it going?

Morning...


re: #464 rightside

Hey dorian, morning.

Morning rightside...

487 apachegunner  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:29:11am

Hey Dorian, hand me your cup.

488 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:29:11am

I think these 'fake racism' stories are very telling. There must not be enough real white vs. black racist stuff going on these days, people have to make it up so they can "create a reaction" as the guy in this story says.

489 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:29:20am

re: #482 reine.de.tout

Doing great!
I have a hair appt today. I love getting my hair done so I don't have to do it. always puts me in a good mood.

LOL. Know what you mean. :)

490 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:30:18am

re: #475 reine.de.tout

Any stats on how many adoption counseling and referrals they've made, in proportion to other "choices" they offer?

I don't see any stats of either kind on their website. Presumably, though, if a pregnant girl or woman is uncertain about what course to take, they would discuss both adoption and abortion w. her. So one consultation would address both possibilities.

491 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:30:29am

re: #487 apachegunner

Hey Dorian, hand me your cup.

Oh yea... ;)

492 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:30:29am

re: #469 JustMyView

Actually, Planned Parenthood does provide adoption counseling and referrals to agencies that handle adoption.

From the link:

Here are some things to consider if you are thinking about adoption.

True False
1. I can accept not being my child's primary parent. [ ] [ ]
2. Adoption feels like what I ought to do, not what I want to do. [ ] [ ]
3. I don't feel I can fulfill all my child's needs and parent, now. [ ] [ ]
4. I'm choosing adoption because abortion scares me. [ ] [ ]
5. The child's father will approve of adoption. [ ] [ ]
6. No one is pressuring me to choose adoption. [ ] [ ]
7. I'll know my child will be treated well. [ ] [ ]
8. I can cope with the feelings of loss that I may have. [ ] [ ]
9. I have people in my life who will help me through the pregnancy and adoption. [ ] [ ]
10. I respect women who place a child for adoption. [ ] [ ]

OK. Let's look at the highlighted questions. Number two implies that she is only doing it out of a feeling of guilt. Number four implies that she is doing it only because she is scared of abortion. Number five implies that she is doing it only because the father would approve, not because she thinks it is right. Number six, what about the feelings of loss after an abortion.

I'm sorry, but I doubt Planned Parenthood's motives here.

493 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:30:42am

bbl

494 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:32:02am

Yeah, I Noticed all the legal speak(legalese) in the adoption portion too. Probably intended to scare those persuing adoption as a means out of it with the impression of legal fees and loss of rights crap thrown in. Like the wouldn't lose the option of visiting their kids after an abortion.

495 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:34:18am

re: #449 Bumr50

Thanks! Are your parents liberals?

/sarc

LOL! My Dad was definitely a very conservative thinker, after being in prison in Austria in the early 30s for being an anarchist !

My Mum had no time for any politicians of any type :-)

And I'm not a basement kiddie, an oldie *sigh* thinking about what colour my walker is going to be, and will it have a GT stripe

496 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:36:05am

re: #495 aussiemagpie

LOL! My Dad was definitely a very conservative thinker, after being in prison in Austria in the early 30s for being an anarchist !

My Mum had no time for any politicians of any type :-)

And I'm not a basement kiddie, an oldie *sigh* thinking about what colour my walker is going to be, and will it have a GT stripe

Just make sure it has a spot for your I-Pod and a holster for your gun.

497 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:36:37am

FWIW..Chris Wallace is a snot.

498 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:36:43am

Of course the MSM will report the man who made the threats based off the fake Facebook page he had. It will be posted all over that a white republican has been threatening to kill over 3000 black Americans only because Obama won.

499 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:36:47am

re: #460 Crux Australis

hey, aussiemagpie. where do you live again?

Hi Crux, I'm in the Liverpool area and in Danna Vale's electorate of Hughes

500 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:37:02am

re: #492 Ford_Prefect


OK. Let's look at the highlighted questions. Number two implies that she is only doing it out of a feeling of guilt. Number four implies that she is doing it only because she is scared of abortion. Number five implies that she is doing it only because the father would approve, not because she thinks it is right. Number six, what about the feelings of loss after an abortion.

I'm sorry, but I doubt Planned Parenthood's motives here.

These are just questions---things to think about. One can answer them either way. If you look through the Planned Parenthood site, you'll see that they have similar "things to think about" lists w/ regard to abortion and keeping the child.

501 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:38:32am

re: #470 Ford_Prefect

World War Eleven? Man have I been out of touch. / :-)

Yes, where have you been?

502 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:39:34am

re: #484 midwestgak

Did you notice that one sentence which said that adoption leaves the mother feeling worse than they had thought they would? Worse than abortion would have?

I didn't notice it but I'm not surprised.

Placing a child for adoption is very painful process.

But in the many adoptions these days there is communication with the adoptive parents and the baby, pictures, visits - and of course, the knowledge that you did the right thing.

I'm going to reveal something personal. I am 55 years old, and have some health issues. 2 years ago, when my daughter was 15, she got pregnant.

She finished the school year (the school worked with us on this), and because she was too young to be raising a child, and I was too old and decrepit.

After the initial shock, and with much prayer, my daughter decided to place the baby for adoption. My daughter chose the couple. We have regular communications with them, and just visited with them last weekend.

The couple is glowingly happy - told us their life is now complete. The baby is beautiful and a really happy baby. They love him as much as we do, and they are mature, settled and financially stable enough to give him a great life.

We have taken some flak for 'giving away' the baby, but we didn't. We planned the baby's future. And it was the right decision. But the day we put the baby into that couple's hands was one of the most painful days of my life. But the right thing to do. And we can live with ourselves.

503 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:39:48am

Planned Parenthood may claim they push adoption, but I'd like one of the young ladies here to walk into a clinic ask about Adoption and tell us whether they were talked to about adoption or talked into aborting.

504 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:40:17am

re: #490 JustMyView

I don't see any stats of either kind on their website. Presumably, though, if a pregnant girl or woman is uncertain about what course to take, they would discuss both adoption and abortion w. her. So one consultation would address both possibilities.

"Presumably".
I would like to see the actual numbers.

505 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:41:23am

re: #477 rightside

I was in Sydney in '03, although spent it all downtown. Very nice people, had a wonderful time.

Hi, glad you had a nice time and next time give us a call! We'll shout you a beer or three :-)

Or wine, or coffee...

506 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:42:27am

re: #504 reine.de.tout

"Presumably".
I would like to see the actual numbers.

Well, they're not on the site, so you'll have to find another way to get them.

Meanwhile, congratulations to you and your daughter for the thoughtful approach you took to dealing w/ her pregnancy. I'm sure it was very difficult and, in some ways, remains so, but it sounds like you handled a tough situation w/ grace and courage.

507 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:43:36am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

{reine}

508 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:43:52am

re: #506 JustMyView

I still cry.
But after seeing them, it's tears of joy, now, for that precious precious baby boy.

509 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:44:01am

re: #496 Ford_Prefect

Just make sure it has a spot for your I-Pod and a holster for your gun.

LOL! And a drink holder...

510 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:44:55am

re: #507 midwestgak

{reine}

{gak}

511 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:45:03am

So anyone heard any news on if BHO is still considering Richardson for his cabinet. I don't really care what position as long as it gets him out of New Mexico really. Or is Hillary gonna take his spot in hte Cabinet and leave us stuck with him?

512 vermicelli  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:45:41am

what is up with the Brits?

Are they really that big of tools or just purposeful hypocrits? Time to start supporting Falkland to Argenitina big time.

513 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:46:02am

re: #511 rancher

So anyone heard any news on if BHO is still considering Richardson for his cabinet. I don't really care what position as long as it gets him out of New Mexico really. Or is Hillary gonna take his spot in hte Cabinet and leave us stuck with him?

I can't see Hillary taking that job. I just really can't.

514 rightside  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:46:39am

re: #505 aussiemagpie

I'll keep that in mind!

515 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:46:59am

Living in New Mexico and seeing all the pregnant kids nowadays im waiting on Planned Parenthood to start recommending parents spay/neuter their kids like the SPCA does for pets.

516 nyc redneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:47:50am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

{reine} you and your daughter had the strength and courage to make a heartbreakingly difficult decision. it sounds like it was the best one for everybody involved.
i'm so glad you get to stay in contact w/ the baby.

517 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:47:55am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

Good for you and your daughter. I am sure that she will grow up and live a wonderful life, knowing full well that she did the right thing by her child.

518 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:48:01am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

There is nothing to say except you have my admiration and respect for being so caring, wise, and selfless...I'm having a little cry now BTW

{Reine}

519 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:48:16am

But if Billary is Sec State Obama can keep her overseas and out of his hair for the vast majority of his Presidency

520 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:48:42am

re: #508 reine.de.tout

I still cry.
But after seeing them, it's tears of joy, now, for that precious precious baby boy.

I'll keep you and your daughter in my thoughts. How is she doing, by the way?

521 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:49:36am

re: #512 vermicelli

what is up with the Brits?

Are they really that big of tools or just purposeful hypocrits? Time to start supporting Falkland to Argenitina big time.

The Brits always dad this little jewish problem.

522 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:49:51am

re: #490 JustMyView

re: #475 reine.de.tout

Any stats on how many adoption counseling and referrals they've made, in proportion to other "choices" they offer?

I don't see any stats of either kind on their website. Presumably, though, if a pregnant girl or woman is uncertain about what course to take, they would discuss both adoption and abortion w. her. So one consultation would address both possibilities.

Sorry, JustMyView. PP is wholly and completely in the abortion bag. They "earned" over $1B dollars last year (" " because they're a non-profit) with over $300M coming from the taxpayers. They are the leading provider of abortions in the country and spent $10M on electing candidates who are 100% pro-abortion. This is sad window-dressing.

523 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:49:59am

re: #518 aussiemagpie

re: #516 nyc redneck

Thank ya'll.

Once we got over the shock, we took the approach that the activity that got her pregnant wasn't what we wanted her to be engaging in (no kidding), but once it was a fact - the condition of being pregnant is not "sinful" or evil in any way.

524 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:50:38am

Aye reine good choice with adoption at least that way you know the child had a chance at life and since you were able to pick the couple and are given the opportunity to visit at least theres still that. Had the Baby been aborted both you and your daughter would likely have thought about it every day. Some say an abortion is just like a miscarriage. I however reply that miscarriages aren't usually the result of planning and premeditation.

525 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:50:48am

re: #418 3 wood

Of the three moonbats I have discussed this most with at work, one hates Dick Cheney, one hates Bush and the other hates Palin.

On Palin he justifies this by asking what magazines the reads (Katie Couric interview). I can get nothing of substance when pressed, yet the hatred is there.

The bush hater wont even engage in discussion because he knows he has no idea what he is talking about.

And the Cheney hater is simply a troofer.

This is what elected O and they have no idea what they have done.

Mark Levin is wrong, there aren't 56 million of us, there are far more its just that a large number of them have no idea what they voted for. All they were doing is parroting the anti-bush mantra.

And they are sucking us all down the rat hole with them.

Interesting times we live in huh chaps?

526 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:51:00am
527 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:51:22am

re: #519 rancher

But if Billary is Sec State Obama can keep her overseas and out of his hair for the vast majority of his Presidency

She would be moron to take it. Sec. of States often become marginalized and very forgettable. Also once she gives up her Senate seat, she will serve at the pleasure of The President. So kinda like Hair today gone tomorrow?

528 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:51:53am

re: #520 JustMyView

I'll keep you and your daughter in my thoughts. How is she doing, by the way?

She is doing very very well, particularly after the visit, where she saw how happy the baby is and the couple, as well. They are wonderful - not perfect, but good people.

She had pre and post-adoption counseling. IMPORTANT! Through Catholic Charities, which did a superb job.

529 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:52:22am

re: #502 reine.de.tout
Bless you and your family. If only more could see the plus side of adoption. Unfortunately, there are too many that see the options of abortion and keeping the baby as the only choice. Many I know are forced to go to foreign countries because the wait is so long here. and we all know that it has been glamorized to have children without fathers. This is one hope I have for Obama. Now that he no longer has to kowtow to African Americans, he will address the huge problem that community has with black males and marriage, responsibility, etc.

530 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:52:25am

re: #525 Harry Tuttle

Stupid is as stupid does.

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom."
Friedrich August von Hayek

531 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:53:18am

re: #524 rancher

Aye reine good choice with adoption at least that way you know the child had a chance at life and since you were able to pick the couple and are given the opportunity to visit at least theres still that. Had the Baby been aborted both you and your daughter would likely have thought about it every day. Some say an abortion is just like a miscarriage. I however reply that miscarriages aren't usually the result of planning and premeditation.

You are correct about miscarriages not being the result of planning and premeditation. I know people who have had abortions - they never really get over it.
The shock of the situation is such that you just want it to be done with. I think that's when people make abortion decisions.

You gotta get thru the shock.

532 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:53:46am

re: #527 Nevergiveup

So kinda like Hair today gone tomorrow?

Know that feeling. :-(

533 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:54:58am

re: #502 reine.de.tout

{reine}

534 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:55:56am

re: #530 Bumr50

Yes. What worries me is not the parallel we see with the Reagan election or the Depression but the parallels I can see with the Bolshevik revolution in Russia.

Adapt yourselves mates!

535 rancher  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:55:58am

Thanks Red I was asking mostly in reference to Hillary as Sec State that was previously a job Richardson was looking at allthough now it looks like sec Interior on your new chart.

536 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:56:20am

re: #492 Ford_Prefect

Google Margret Sanger. See what her idea of p^2 was.

537 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:56:22am

re: #529 Beach Lover

I respectfully disagrree.

This is one hope I have for Obama. Now that he no longer has to kowtow to African Americans (says who?)

he will address the huge problem that community has with black males and marriage, responsibility, etc.

(doubtful, this is a conservative principle.)

538 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:56:34am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

She is doing very very well, particularly after the visit, where she saw how happy the baby is and the couple, as well. They are wonderful - not perfect, but good people.

She had pre and post-adoption counseling. IMPORTANT! Through Catholic Charities, which did a superb job.

You and your daughter are heroes. She is obviously brave and thoughtful. I pray that the sadness she will probably always feel will be poignant, knowing that she did the best thing for the child. I'll hug my 3 adopted nephews and nieces a little harder this Thanksgiving hearing this story.

539 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:57:01am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

She is doing very very well, particularly after the visit, where she saw how happy the baby is and the couple, as well. They are wonderful - not perfect, but good people.

She had pre and post-adoption counseling. IMPORTANT! Through Catholic Charities, which did a superb job.

Glad to hear she is doing so well. I'm sure that's in large part due to your support.

540 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:57:24am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday?
yipee! looking forward to a 3 day weekend..

541 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:57:33am

re: #533 Sharmuta

{reine}

thanks.
The same year, both of my parents became suddenly and seriously ill and died within 4 months of each other. the baby was born the day after my father's funeral. talk about an eventful year!

Gotta say, hanging out here during that time was helpful. So thank you to all of you!

542 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:58:20am

re: #525 Harry Tuttle

Brazil... Terrorist plumbers... Dark movie... We might all be living that one during the up coming administration.

543 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:58:43am

re: #538 Spenser (with an S)

You and your daughter are heroes. She is obviously brave and thoughtful. I pray that the sadness she will probably always feel will be poignant, knowing that she did the best thing for the child. I'll hug my 3 adopted nephews and nieces a little harder this Thanksgiving hearing this story.

Daughter now 17, making much better decisions about her life and activities.

Silver linings everywhere . . .

544 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:58:50am

{reine}
you're a good woman reine..nice story

545 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:58:58am

re: #540 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday?
yipee! looking forward to a 3 day weekend..

Dancing tonight?

546 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:59:11am

re: #537 midwestgak

I respectfully disagrree.

This is one hope I have for Obama. Now that he no longer has to kowtow to African Americans (says who?)

he will address the huge problem that community has with black males and marriage, responsibility, etc.

(doubtful, this is a conservative principle.)

Doubtful you say? Thats absurd, look at the history. The left cares not one whit about raising anyone out of poverty and there actions prove it. There interests lie in the opposite.

There is no chance in h311 this is what the O wants to do.

547 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 5:59:59am

re: #542 Perplexed

Brazil... Terrorist plumbers... Dark movie... We might all be living that one during the up coming administration.

We're all in this together.

548 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:00:33am

OT - I'm thinking about selling Obama memorabilia.

549 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:00:35am

re: #546 Harry Tuttle

Doubtful you say? Thats absurd, look at the history. The left cares not one whit about raising anyone out of poverty and there actions prove it. There interests lie in the opposite.

There is no chance in h311 this is what the O wants to do.

He's in it for himself. Screw the voters. Doubly screw those who voted against him.

550 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:01:00am

re: #547 Harry Tuttle

We're all in this together.

Change we can believe in.

551 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:01:04am

re: #522 Spenser (with an S)

Sorry, JustMyView. PP is wholly and completely in the abortion bag. They "earned" over $1B dollars last year (" " because they're a non-profit) with over $300M coming from the taxpayers. They are the leading provider of abortions in the country and spent $10M on electing candidates who are 100% pro-abortion. This is sad window-dressing.

Well, certainly, they provide services that are hard to get elsewhere, and they are interested in ensuring that those services remain legal. No surprise there. There are many agencies that provide adoption services, and there's also the possibility of placing kids for adoption through lawyers (i.e., without an agency of any sort being involved). It would hardly make sense for them to duplicate those services.

552 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:01:14am

re: #531 reine.de.tout

I have no experience myself, but have read that women after they have an abortion think of their child on what would have been their first birthday, day dream about feeling their little hand holding onto her finger, wonder what they would look like at age two, wish she could throw them a birthday party at age three. On and on it goes. Dreadful.

553 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:01:55am

re: #545 reine.de.tout

Dancing tonight?

no..Remember my friends who's house burnt down Sunday night?
I bought them a laptop and we are going to visit them in the motel
and just spend some time with them...
I have a sneaky feeling well go out saturday night.
Hopeless social butterflys i guess.

554 Erik The Red  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:01:58am

re: #535 rancher

Chart is from RedState doesn't look like much change is coming to D.C look how many ex Clinton people are there.

555 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:02:00am

re: #552 midwestgak

I have no experience myself, but have read that women after they have an abortion think of their child on what would have been their first birthday, day dream about feeling their little hand holding onto her finger, wonder what they would look like at age two, wish she could throw them a birthday party at age three. On and on it goes. Dreadful.

That's what I've heard, too. It doesn't ever end.

556 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:02:23am

re: #553 HoosierHoops

no..Remember my friends who's house burnt down Sunday night?
I bought them a laptop and we are going to visit them in the motel
and just spend some time with them...
I have a sneaky feeling well go out saturday night.
Hopeless social butterflys i guess.

Party Animals!
How's your wife?

557 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:02:42am

re: #540 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday?
yipee! looking forward to a 3 day weekend..

Mornin Hoosier - how do you like the drizzle?

558 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:03:51am

re: #541 reine.de.tout

I'll send you an email.

559 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:04:17am

Good morning, Lizards...present

560 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:04:38am

re: #556 reine.de.tout

Party Animals!
How's your wife?

Mom is all about planning for Jordans wedding on the 28th...
She has way too much energy..

561 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:04:39am

re: #546 Harry Tuttle

Doubtful you say? Thats absurd, look at the history. The left cares not one whit about raising anyone out of poverty and there actions prove it. There interests lie in the opposite.

There is no chance in h311 this is what the O wants to do.

huh? That's what I implied.

562 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:05:27am

Well, good morning all y'all - from a moderate (56 degrees going up to 65) rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

563 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:05:51am

Good morning, Jorline!

564 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:05:52am

re: #552 midwestgak

I have no experience myself, but have read that women after they have an abortion think of their child on what would have been their first birthday, day dream about feeling their little hand holding onto her finger, wonder what they would look like at age two, wish she could throw them a birthday party at age three. On and on it goes. Dreadful.

I don't think there are any data to support those claims. Most women who have abortions do very well psychologically. There's actually quite a lot of research on this topic. You might want to check out this summary.

565 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:05:56am

re: #557 midwestgak

Mornin Hoosier - how do you like the drizzle?

{Gak}
what's up? The rain won't hit here for another hour I heard...
Then I'll be singing in the rain..just singing in the rain...

566 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:06:07am

re: #558 Sharmuta

OK

567 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:06:17am

re: #561 midwestgak

huh? That's what I implied.

I understand that, I just thought it needed more emphasis.

Not that I wouldn't be very pleased to be proven wrong on this... we shall see I guess.

Cheers guys gotta go work for the bailout.

568 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:06:27am

re: #559 jorline

Hi Jorline. How did it go at the Rheumy's?

569 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:06:29am

TGIF Jorline!

570 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:06:40am

re: #551 JustMyView

re: #522 Spenser (with an S)


Sorry, JustMyView. PP is wholly and completely in the abortion bag. They "earned" over $1B dollars last year (" " because they're a non-profit) with over $300M coming from the taxpayers. They are the leading provider of abortions in the country and spent $10M on electing candidates who are 100% pro-abortion. This is sad window-dressing.

Well, certainly, they provide services that are hard to get elsewhere, and they are interested in ensuring that those services remain legal. No surprise there. There are many agencies that provide adoption services, and there's also the possibility of placing kids for adoption through lawyers (i.e., without an agency of any sort being involved). It would hardly make sense for them to duplicate those services.

Well, I figured you knew that. I was just stating that them pretending to be in favor of adoption is just for public consumption in case their tax status is ever questioned (any congressmen listening?).

571 SecondComing  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:07:51am

I saw Bill Ayers on Good Morning America when I was getting ready for work. He was on there as smug and unrepentant as ever. The anchor pressed him and said something to the effect "you have to see how a guy running for president..how your association would be questioned." To paraphrase: He said he absolutely rejected that assertion. Just because we had coffee, served an a few boards together and helped him with his political career. That's just quilt by association. unbelievable. Someone surely will get a full transcript later. Through the whole thing I just kept thinking "what does it matter now, a little late guys".

572 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:08:13am

re: #565 HoosierHoops

{Gak}
what's up? The rain won't hit here for another hour I heard...
Then I'll be singing in the rain..just singing in the rain...

I have a 3 day weekend planned too.

Bless you for giving to your friends in need. (hoosier)

573 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:08:32am

Good morning...group hug.

{riegn}
{gak}
{HH}
{RW}

Hell...hugs for everyone.

574 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:09:27am

re: #573 jorline

Good morning...group hug.

{riegn}
{gak}
{HH}
{RW}

Hell...hugs for everyone.


Thanks, it's a chilly morning.

575 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:10:06am

re: #572 midwestgak

I have a 3 day weekend planned too.

Bless you for giving to your friends in need. (hoosier)

fixed it

576 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:10:45am

Morning all, TGIF!

Surprise, surprise, surprise: from Ayres interview on GMA:

"Despite Obama's attempt to portray their relationship as a distant one, Ayers, in a new afterward to his book "Fugitive Days," describes Obama as a "neighbor and family friend."

That is not the Ayres Obama knew, I'm confused!

/

577 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:10:50am

re: #575 midwestgak


{hoosier}

There

578 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:11:43am

re: #568 midwestgak

Hi Jorline. How did it go at the Rheumy's?

Long and interesting. I will send you an email about the visit. I do have some questions for you. The short answer is he's not ruling out RA, but he thinks it's Psoriatic Arthritis.

579 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:12:12am

re: #540 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine Friday?
yipee! looking forward to a 3 day weekend..

Morning HH.

580 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:12:26am

Wow... I see that Bill Ayers basically said on GMA that he was wrongly smeared and that Obama and the 'guilt by association' is a terrible thing...

The usual and expected crap...

581 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:12:30am

re: #576 turn


HA!

BFFs!

582 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:12:54am

oh, and he still thinks they didn't do enough terrorism either:

"Frankly, I dont think we did enough, just as today I dont' think we've done enough to stop these wars," he said.

spitt

583 doriangrey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:13:17am

re: #523 reine.de.tout

re: #516 nyc redneck

Thank ya'll.

Once we got over the shock, we took the approach that the activity that got her pregnant wasn't what we wanted her to be engaging in (no kidding), but once it was a fact - the condition of being pregnant is not "sinful" or evil in any way.

Not to be insensitive, but look around you. There are 6 billion plus human beings on planet earth. We all got here the exact same way. Sex is about as normal and natural an event as there is, and the whole point of sex is to get the female pregnant. Yes we engage in it for recreational purposes, but the whole point is reproduction.

Because of the complex economic society we live in today, many wise people have taken to discouraging young people from reproducing before they are financially capable of supporting their offspring, this view however wise and prudent it may be, is physiologically at odds with what tens of thousands of years of evolutionary biology has hardwired into human beings.

I commend you for the wisdom of your actions, but find it a bit disturbing that you were shocked that your daughter behaved in a totally natural human manner. I could see you being disappointed that she failed to follow your advice and teaching. But to be shocked that she followed perhaps one of the strongest of all biological imperatives?

I have little doubt that your daughter is a good person, she is after all your daughter, and I have no doubt that you have taught her well. At the end of the day however she is her own person, and as she gets older she will make more and more of her own decisions and will have to live with the consequences of those decisions.

That you continue to love her and encourage her to make wise decisions shows the nature of your character, your character will shape her character and that is a good thing.

Damn it and now I have to run off to work.

584 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:13:21am

re: #578 jorline

I'll look for it.

See #484 upthread.

585 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:13:24am

re: #569 HoosierHoops

TGIF Jorline!

Yes...TGIF. A weekend full of my sons basketball and a baseball tournament.

586 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:14:01am

Morning, Ya'll. It's a rainy/drizzly and chilly Friday morn here in the Mid TN boonies. Mom and I have an appointment with a social worker who is coming out to the house at 10 to interview us for a financial assistance program that would help pay for adult day care for mom. It's a private non-profit, so I'm glad it wouldn't be pulling any more resources from the Gov.

From what she's said so far, they would pay most of the costs of two full 8-hour days per week for mom's Adult day care fees, and then mom would only have to contribute $58 per month. That would mean this non-profit group would be chipping in upwards of $200 per month. Woot!

Need more coffee before the lady comes...

587 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:14:09am

re: #573 jorline
Hey there jorline! How are ya today my friend?

588 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:14:20am

re: #574 midwestgak

Thanks, it's a chilly morning.

Going to 85 here today, but much cooler over the weekend.

589 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:15:04am

re: #581 ChicagoBlue

HA!

BFFs!

Oh, had to wiki that

Best Friends Forever

My comprehension of Internet slang really sucks.

590 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:16:43am

re: #587 realwest

Hey there jorline! How are ya today my friend?

Always good to see you, RW. I will send you an email later about my doctor visit yesterday...short version see my #578.

591 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:18:21am

re: #583 doriangrey

Yes, you run. Faster.

How watered down can you get? When morality is forgotten you can justify anything. Natural human evolution my ass when children are having children in a civil society.

Shock is the reaction of a moral heart. Some of us still have one.

592 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:18:33am

re: #588 jorline

Going to 85 here today, but much cooler over the weekend.

It'll be 72 here in Dallas today. Got up and put on a long sleeve shirt this morning, then switched to short sleeves. Tonight's low is supposed to be 41, and in the mid 30s Sunday morning. Our average first freeze date is November 22nd.

593 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:18:42am

re: #578 jorline

Long and interesting. I will send you an email about the visit. I do have some questions for you. The short answer is he's not ruling out RA, but he thinks it's Psoriatic Arthritis.

Ah - could you send me a copy? I'm very interested and concerned for you .. .

594 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:19:04am

re: #564 JustMyView

Not in my experience. 23 years of being a Pastor's wife and counseling young women. Husband also the head of a crisis pregnancy center. Family members. Friends.

Lots of pain out there. Don't minimize it.

595 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:19:06am

Oh yeah, good morning all. Lotta weird threads yesterday.

596 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:19:11am

re: #492 Ford_Prefect

From the link:

Here are some things to consider if you are thinking about adoption.

True False
1. I can accept not being my child's primary parent. [ ] [ ]
2. Adoption feels like what I ought to do, not what I want to do. [ ] [ ]
3. I don't feel I can fulfill all my child's needs and parent, now. [ ] [ ]
4. I'm choosing adoption because abortion scares me. [ ] [ ]
5. The child's father will approve of adoption. [ ] [ ]
6. No one is pressuring me to choose adoption. [ ] [ ]
7. I'll know my child will be treated well. [ ] [ ]
8. I can cope with the feelings of loss that I may have. [ ] [ ]
9. I have people in my life who will help me through the pregnancy and adoption. [ ] [ ]
10. I respect women who place a child for adoption. [ ] [ ]

OK. Let's look at the highlighted questions. Number two implies that she is only doing it out of a feeling of guilt. Number four implies that she is doing it only because she is scared of abortion. Number five implies that she is doing it only because the father would approve, not because she thinks it is right. Number six, what about the feelings of loss after an abortion.

I'm sorry, but I doubt Planned Parenthood's motives here.

Wow, this is an eye-opener. I worked for a crisis pregnancy center that focused on emotionally supporting the mother. Some choose to adopt, most choose to keep the baby. They knew we were not an abortion provider. The Birthright tag line is ...every child has the right to be born.

Obviously PP isn't making money if the baby is being kept or adopted.

597 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:19:24am

re: #573 jorline

Good morning...group hug.

{riegn}
{gak}
{HH}
{RW}

Hell...hugs for everyone.

OK Jorline..group hugs!
LOL

598 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:19:28am

re: #590 jorline Well I'll look forward to receiving that e-mail but...what is
"Psoriatic Arthritis"?

599 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:20:13am

re: #584 midwestgak

I'll look for it.

See #484 upthread.

I will trace the comments back to get the whole gist of your comment in a bit.

600 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:20:19am

re: #579 Ford_Prefect

Morning HH.

Hi Ford? What's up today?

601 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:20:40am

re: #594 mama winger

Not in my experience. 23 years of being a Pastor's wife and counseling young women. Husband also the head of a crisis pregnancy center. Family members. Friends.

Lots of pain out there. Don't minimize it.

Mornin Mama - thanks for pushing back.

602 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:20:48am

re: #597 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! How's it going today?

603 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:21:04am

re: #571 SecondComing

Let me see if I understand Ayers' thinking...


1. Ayers admits he engaged in bombing and wishes he did more.
2. Ayers claims his bombings were "education" not terrorism.
3. Ayers admits he had a long and close association with Obama.
4. Ayers insists that to mention his association with Obama is to engage in guilt by association.

So in Ayers' mind, bombing is not terrorism and associating with somebody is not associating.

604 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:22:38am

re: #585 jorline

Yes...TGIF. A weekend full of my sons basketball and a baseball tournament.

There really ought to be a law against playing baseball in Nov.
And the high is going to be 85? I hate you!
/ LOL
//snow saturday here is what the word is..

605 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:23:20am

re: #592 Ward Cleaver

It'll be 72 here in Dallas today. Got up and put on a long sleeve shirt this morning, then switched to short sleeves. Tonight's low is supposed to be 41, and in the mid 30s Sunday morning. Our average first freeze date is November 22nd.

Good morning, Ward. They're saying we'll get into the mid 40's at night and in the low 70's over the weekend. I lived in Allen during the 83 freeze...that was cold!

606 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:23:26am

re: #583 doriangrey

I commend you for the wisdom of your actions, but find it a bit disturbing that you were shocked that your daughter behaved in a totally natural human manner. I could see you being disappointed that she failed to follow your advice and teaching. But to be shocked that she followed perhaps one of the strongest of all biological imperatives?

I have little doubt that your daughter is a good person, she is after all your daughter, and I have no doubt that you have taught her well. At the end of the day however she is her own person, and as she gets older she will make more and more of her own decisions and will have to live with the consequences of those decisions.

That you continue to love her and encourage her to make wise decisions shows the nature of your character, your character will shape her character and that is a good thing.

Damn it and now I have to run off to work.

Dorian - I was not shocked that she was sexually active. It is natural to humans, and the teen years are the most difficult. Teens have been having sex since the beginning of time; people used to be married at that age, but that's no longer the case.

It was simply a surprise, I'm very open with my daughter and had told her often that if she believed she was going to become sexually active, to let me know so I could get her to a doctor for the proper safeguards.

But she didn't. The 'shock' was mostly trying to figure out, where do we go from here? How does she finish school? What sort of derision will she face (the final answer: NONE).

She's a good kid, always was.

607 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:23:28am

re: #602 realwest

Hi ya Hoops! How's it going today?

doing wonderful today RW.. hope today finds you well and absent of any errands to run.

608 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:23:35am

re: #594 mama winger

Not in my experience. 23 years of being a Pastor's wife and counseling young women. Husband also the head of a crisis pregnancy center. Family members. Friends.

Lots of pain out there. Don't minimize it.

I'm sure there are women who've had abortions who regret it, but, heck, there are women who've had kids that regret it. I don't minimize it, but I do think it's important to look at systematically collected data, and the people who show up in a pastor's office are not a random sample of people who've had abortions. They're people who have problems, people who might have had problems no matter how they handled the pregnancy or even if they'd never gotten pregnant. Again, there's a lot of high-quality research on this topic, summarized at the link I gave above.

609 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:23:53am

re: #583 doriangrey

Not to be insensitive, but look around you. There are 6 billion plus human beings on planet earth. We all got here the exact same way. Sex is about as normal and natural an event as there is, and the whole point of sex is to get the female pregnant. Yes we engage in it for recreational purposes, but the whole point is reproduction.

Because of the complex economic society we live in today, many wise people have taken to discouraging young people from reproducing before they are financially capable of supporting their offspring, this view however wise and prudent it may be, is physiologically at odds with what tens of thousands of years of evolutionary biology has hardwired into human beings.

I commend you for the wisdom of your actions, but find it a bit disturbing that you were shocked that your daughter behaved in a totally natural human manner. I could see you being disappointed that she failed to follow your advice and teaching. But to be shocked that she followed perhaps one of the strongest of all biological imperatives?

I have little doubt that your daughter is a good person, she is after all your daughter, and I have no doubt that you have taught her well. At the end of the day however she is her own person, and as she gets older she will make more and more of her own decisions and will have to live with the consequences of those decisions.

That you continue to love her and encourage her to make wise decisions shows the nature of your character, your character will shape her character and that is a good thing.

Damn it and now I have to run off to work.

Temper tantrums and grabbing things away from each other are also very natural tendencies. Each of these things can and should be modified into more civilized behaviors that are more useful and more powerful for the individual.

And let me say, that table manners seem to take forever to "stick."

610 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:24:04am

re: #600 HoosierHoops

Hi Ford? What's up today?

Oh, just trying not to get any work done. How about you?

611 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:24:28am

re: #593 reine.de.tout

Ah - could you send me a copy? I'm very interested and concerned for you .. .

You're on my list reine...thank you for your concern. ;)

612 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:25:22am

Shucks - gotta run!
Thanks to all of you for support and understanding.

613 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:25:40am

For anybody unfamiliar with how the Chicago Democratic Machine works, here is a good example.

U.S. rep: 'I hope this was not a case of racial profiling'
NOT GUILTY %P% Davis claimed last year he was given ticket for 'driving while black'

Rep. Danny Davis was found not guilty Wednesday of "driving left of center" in Lawndale last November -- a ticket Davis had blamed on racial profiling.

The Traffic Court trial did little to shed light on what happened when Chicago Police curbed Davis' black sedan and ticketed him for an alleged lane violation. The Chicago Police officer who spoke to Davis during the traffic stop did not appear in court. That officer's partner, Police Officer Laura Kuhlmann, testified that Davis was driving a gray car on 16th Street and crossed the double yellow line when turning left onto Kedzie.

Cook County Judge Martin Coughlin kept discussion focused on Davis' alleged left turn crossing the center line and refused to hear testimony from Kuhlmann about a second time she claimed Davis' vehicle drifted over the double yellow lines. Davis remained silent.

Coughlin dismissed the charge, saying "of course" Davis crossed the double yellow line -- that's what happens when you make a left turn.

Last November, Davis made headlines for filing a complaint with police claiming the traffic stop was an example of racial profiling.

After court Wednesday, Davis said he hoped the white officers who ticketed him simply had made a mistake and that he wasn't stopped for "driving while black."

"I hope this was not a case of racial profiling," Davis said. "All I know is that I was driving a black car. The officer said I was driving a gray car. . . . The officer said I made a left turn off 16th Street onto Kedzie. And I've never been on 16th Street."

Danny, Davis, former City Alderman, is one of the leading candidates to be appointed by Governor Blagojevich to fill Obama's empty Senate seat.

As you can see from the story, the Cook County Judge carefully controlled the testimony allowed in court, and gave Davis a walk. Davis then slandered the cops involved alleging racism.

This is par for the course in Chicago. Late great columnist Mike Royko (who interestingly enough once tried to punch me out by a cab stand on Michigan Avenue, but that is a long story), used to write about this stuff often. Royko often wrote about how the "fix was in" in Chicago.

My guess is the officers involved will get punished by being transferred to the sticks for the rest of their careers, banished to working the midnight shift and chasing humping teenagers out of parks.

This is how the Chicago Machine works. They control the courts, they control the elections, they control the media (you have to dig to find this story) it's all about who you know and who you politically support. They are used to having it all their way.

The PR Dept. at City Hall has a slogan, calling Chicago "The City that Works".

For those of us who lived there, we would alter that to say "the city that jerks together, works together".

Get used to this folks, some of these folks are now coming to Washington.

614 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:25:43am

re: #564 JustMyView

I don't think there are any data to support those claims. Most women who have abortions do very well psychologically. There's actually quite a lot of research on this topic. You might want to check out this summary.

Wikipedia? Give me a break. Don't think a lot of them don't hurt. There have been stdies that showed higher rates of depression and suicide among post-abortive women. As for "choice"? Most of them don't feel they had a choice, as they were pressured by boyfriends, husbands, or families to have abortions. Abortion is all about abortionists making money, plain and simple.

I was very disappointed how all those black churches supported Obama, knowing that millions of black babies have been aborted over the years. Because of abortion, the number of Hispanics have overtaken blacks in the population.

615 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:25:44am

re: #594 mama winger

Let me see if I understand the liberal mindset with regards to killing human beings:

Women who kill their unborn child are not bothered by it at all.
US soldiers who kill terrorists in Iraq are traumatized by it.
Executing convicted murderers is wrong.

Is that about right?

616 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:25:58am

re: #608 JustMyView

I do think it's important to look at systematically collected data,

I think it's important to minister to people in physical and psychological pain, but that's just my view.

617 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:26:43am

re: #601 midwestgak

Mornin Mama - thanks for pushing back.

Pushing back is my best event. :)

618 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:26:44am

re: #603 Kenneth

Let me see if I understand Ayers' thinking...


So in Ayers' mind, bombing is not terrorism and associating with somebody is not associating.

That justification is reminiscent of Robert Spencer's for his support of Vlaams Belang. He supports their anti-jihad stance, but as for their other little pesky anti-semitism, well, he has never said he supports that.

The problem with Obama associating with Ayers is that Ayers contributes nothing positive to education - only the goal of raising little communists - so the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

619 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:26:47am

re: #596 DistantThunder

Obviously PP isn't making money if the baby is being kept or adopted.

I don't think they're making money providing abortions either. If they were, they wouldn't be dependent on donations.

620 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:26:53am

re: #610 Ford_Prefect

Oh, just trying not to get any work done. How about you?

Got a email last night that the roll-out of Oracle R12 is being delayed.
So I'm really a happy camper..gives me another 6 weeks before i face the firefight that is Oracle...
Remember..It's not a bug, It's a feature.

621 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:26:55am

re: #594 mama winger

Not in my experience. 23 years of being a Pastor's wife and counseling young women. Husband also the head of a crisis pregnancy center. Family members. Friends.

Lots of pain out there. Don't minimize it.

I have close personal friends, one had an abortion and the other gave her baby up for adoption. I think we've broached the subject only one time many years ago and I can still feel their pain.

622 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:26:58am

re: #596 DistantThunder

Wow, this is an eye-opener. I worked for a crisis pregnancy center that focused on emotionally supporting the mother. Some choose to adopt, most choose to keep the baby. They knew we were not an abortion provider. The Birthright tag line is ...every child has the right to be born.

Obviously PP isn't making money if the baby is being kept or adopted.

Damn right. First, they make money selling women birth control. Then, when the birth control fails (for whatever reason), they make money off the abortion.

623 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:27:05am

re: #608 JustMyView

What about the aborted human beings, do they suffer post-abortion problems? Any studies on that?

624 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:27:18am

re: #607 HoosierHoops
LOL! Nope, no errands to run - other than to cart the overstuffed garbage bag to the dumpster type place here in the apartment complex and I'm putting that off as looong as I can!
How's about yourself? Y'all freezing up there yet?

625 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:27:42am

re: #598 realwest

Well I'll look forward to receiving that e-mail but...what is
"Psoriatic Arthritis"?

Psoriatic Arthritis More info than you'll want, but the first page explains it pretty well.

626 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:28:27am

re: #616 mama winger

I think it's important to minister to people in physical and psychological pain, but that's just my view.

{mama winger}
Good morning..hope you are well today.

627 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:29:26am

re: #619 JustMyView

I don't think they're making money providing abortions either. If they were, they wouldn't be dependent on donations.

And our tax dollars. Look at who founded PP - Margaret Sanger, a eugenicist who wanted to rid the world of non-white people and the mentally retarded.

628 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:29:40am

re: #619 JustMyView

I don't think they're making money providing abortions either. If they were, they wouldn't be dependent on donations.

They get federal funding.

629 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:30:17am

re: #626 HoosierHoops

{mama winger}
Good morning..hope you are well today.

I have a raging migraine, but who's counting ! LOL

Nice to see ya , hoops!

630 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:30:30am

re: #616 mama winger

I think it's important to minister to people in physical and psychological pain, but that's just my view.

I think that's important too, but that doesn't mean that the people you saw who regretted having abortions are anything like the majority. They're not. They're the troubled few. Again, high-quality research indicates that, for most women, abortion does not portend long-term negative psychological adjustment. They do fine.

That conclusion isn't inconsistent w/ helping the minority who have problems or with trying to figure out how to help people make better decisions so that those likely to have problems will choose not to abort.

631 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:30:38am

re: #623 Kenneth

What about the aborted human beings, do they suffer post-abortion problems? Any studies on that?

That's gonna leave a mark.

632 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:30:39am

re: #624 realwest

LOL! Nope, no errands to run - other than to cart the overstuffed garbage bag to the dumpster type place here in the apartment complex and I'm putting that off as looong as I can!
How's about yourself? Y'all freezing up there yet?

LOL
Well we are supposed to get snow this weekend...
Guess i'll just have to browse to the beach cams in Hawaii and dream away.

633 Intrepid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:30:42am

I'm off to straighten the house a bit before my appointment lady gets here.

Have a good day, folks!

634 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:30:47am

re: #612 reine.de.tout

Shucks - gotta run!
Thanks to all of you for support and understanding.

Good luck Rein, wish the best for your daughter.

635 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:31:00am

re: #620 HoosierHoops

Like Delphi?

/sarc

636 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:31:33am

re: #603 Kenneth

Let me see if I understand Ayers' thinking...


So in Ayers' mind, bombing is not terrorism and associating with somebody is not associating.

And he is teaching the yutes of this country?

637 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:31:40am

re: #604 HoosierHoops

There really ought to be a law against playing baseball in Nov.
And the high is going to be 85? I hate you!
/ LOL
//snow saturday here is what the word is..

SNOW...crap. My son plays year round baseball...our average temps in the winter are 72 degrees. We do get cold snaps into the 30's and 40's, but they only last a day or two. Golf is year round here as well and you don't have to play with an orange ball...lol

638 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:31:51am

re: #630 JustMyView

They're the troubled few.

How much experience do you have in this area? I have over two and a half decades. You read a study.

639 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:32:14am

re: #629 mama winger

I get these things called cluster headaches every so often. I tell people that they make me want to gouge out my temple with a melon scooper and they don't believe me.

640 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:32:28am

re: #620 HoosierHoops

Got a email last night that the roll-out of Oracle R12 is being delayed.
So I'm really a happy camper..gives me another 6 weeks before i face the firefight that is Oracle...
Remember..It's not a bug, It's a feature.

Ummm. What? Sorry, I am not very computer literate, though I do make a living, in part, by pushing down on these little black keys.

641 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:32:57am

re: #541 reine.de.tout

thanks.
The same year, both of my parents became suddenly and seriously ill and died within 4 months of each other. the baby was born the day after my father's funeral. talk about an eventful year!

Gotta say, hanging out here during that time was helpful. So thank you to all of you!

Heart's aching for what you and your daughter have been through. Your daughter is very fortunate to have a mother who could guide her on to becoming a caring and gracious woman.

It's no puzzle why you're so respected on this blog.

642 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:33:08am

re: #629 mama winger

I have a raging migraine, but who's counting ! LOL

Nice to see ya , hoops!

well I hope it goes away..Never had a migrane..Would OJ help? I like OJ..not the man..the juice.

643 snuffyword  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:33:38am

re: #615 Kenneth

Let me see if I understand the liberal mindset with regards to killing human beings:

Women who kill their unborn child are not bothered by it at all.
US soldiers who kill terrorists in Iraq are traumatized by it.
Executing convicted murderers is wrong.

Is that about right?

That's about right. But we conservatives get chastised because we believe in the death penalty. From my point of view, at least we let a baby grow up to make mistakes before we take its life.

644 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:33:49am

re: #432 MandyManners

Fucker calls it "the politics of fear" when he was the one blowing up shit!

And the sewer rats known as the MSM swallow that with out a comment.

645 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:33:51am

re: #639 Bumr50

I get these things called cluster headaches every so often. I tell people that they make me want to gouge out my temple with a melon scooper and they don't believe me.

That's what I have right now - a cluster migraine. It started Election Night (no joke) and I have been battling it ever since.

Ack - I hear you about the melon scooper thing.

646 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:33:54am

re: #613 3 wood
Good morning my friend! Hope you're well today. The Chicago Machine makes me think of the real Elliot Ness (not the TV or movie versions).
First thing Ness did was to go after crooked cops and judges, then started working his way up the food chain so to speak.
I know some good people in Chicago and don't understand how the Machine can still operate the way it has for generations now. Just can't understand it (the Davis case being seperate and distinct, not because of his race but because of his being in the Congress and apt to be appointed Obama's successor in the Senate).

647 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:34:36am

re: #613 3 wood

Get used to this folks, some of these folks are now coming to Washington.


Scarry thought.

More on that almost duke out at the cab stand 3W?

648 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:34:58am

re: #630 JustMyView

I think that's important too, but that doesn't mean that the people you saw who regretted having abortions are anything like the majority. They're not. They're the troubled few. Again, high-quality research indicates that, for most women, abortion does not portend long-term negative psychological adjustment. They do fine.

That conclusion isn't inconsistent w/ helping the minority who have problems or with trying to figure out how to help people make better decisions so that those likely to have problems will choose not to abort.

You're full of shit. How many of those "studies" were funded by places like The Alan Guttmacher Institute, which is a front for PP? Guttmacher was one of the founders of PP, by the way. All their research is cooked up to support the abortion industry.

649 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:35:20am
650 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:35:52am

re: #608 JustMyView

Again, there's a lot of high-quality research on this topic, summarized at the link I gave above.

Most of the research you linked to is simply determining if an increase in suicide or clinical depression has been proven. I don't have time to research the research and I did see the Guttmacher Institute in there who are owned by PP, but they didn't speak to a simple, sad knowledge that you (and sometimes the boyfriend) have made an irrevocable, although forgivable, decision.

651 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:36:02am

re: #637 jorline

SNOW...crap. My son plays year round baseball...our average temps in the winter are 72 degrees. We do get cold snaps into the 30's and 40's, but they only last a day or two. Golf is year round here as well and you don't have to play with an orange ball...lol

By Feb. I will be bat shit crazy.. I usually fly somewhere warm and play golf for a few days...
I have never played golf in Texas..I'm getting this crazy idea...

652 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:36:06am

re: #644 3 wood

And the sewer rats known as the MSM swallow that with out a comment.

Are they ignorant of history or, complicit?

653 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:36:07am

re: #603 Kenneth

The line of the morning so far: associating with someone is not associating.

654 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:36:43am

re: #562 realwest

Well, good morning all y'all - from a moderate (56 degrees going up to 65) rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?

G'day {realwest} and *smooch*

Warm night here, and it's Saturday!

655 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:36:51am

re: #627 Ward Cleaver

And our tax dollars. Look at who founded PP - Margaret Sanger, a eugenicist who wanted to rid the world of non-white people and the mentally retarded.

Seeing how the majority of abortions in America are committed against black children & it's considered routine to abort Down syndrome children, we're getting closer to her dream.

656 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:36:55am

Gordon Brown is talking about a "globally coordinated tax cut."

I don't think that I'm as excited as Neil Cavuto.

Despite being fiscally conservative, when it succeeds it will be used as a precedent to endorse other "global" initiatives that definitely won't succeed as surely as this one definitely would.

I hope this gets no legs and no one takes the bait in the name of a "bipartisan solution."

657 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:37:06am
658 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:37:19am

re: #655 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Seeing how the majority of abortions in America are committed against black children & it's considered routine to abort Down syndrome children, we're getting closer to her dream.

Yes we are.

659 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:37:21am

re: #630 JustMyView

I think that's important too, but that doesn't mean that the people you saw who regretted having abortions are anything like the majority. They're not. They're the troubled few. Again, high-quality research indicates that, for most women, abortion does not portend long-term negative psychological adjustment. They do fine.

This just doesn't ring true. I don't care what the "research" or "studies" say. Murder has its dreadful consequences whether you call it that or abortion.

660 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:37:59am

re: #652 MandyManners

Are they ignorant of history or, complicit?

yes

661 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:38:14am

re: #483 Beach Lover

Hillary as Sec of State? Guess he decided the old keeping your enemies closer thing has some merit, uh?

I'm pulling for Kerry. Can you imagine the stuff he will say into a microphone?

662 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:38:37am

re: #625 jorline WHOA, that sure sounds nasty! I looked further than the first page to see what the treatment options are and stopped at prednisone - that, as I believe you know, is some really nasty shit.
I'm eagerly awaiting your e-mail my friend - I do hope your doctor was somewhat hopeful/helpful.

663 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:38:39am

re: #661 3 wood

I'm pulling for Kerry. Can you imagine the stuff he will say into a microphone?

Shoot me now.

664 mamashawna  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:38:54am

Found this in a commodity forum my hubby visits, it's long, but interesting. Any financial Lizard thoughts?

If you think this weekend's G-20 meetings in Washington are only about designing short-term fixes to the financial system and regulatory reforms for banks, hedge funds, brokers, mortgage companies and investment banks ... think again.

Behind the scenes, a far more fundamental fix is being discussed — the possible revaluation of gold and the birth of an entirely new monetary system.

I've been studying this issue in great depth, for many years now. And given the speed at which the financial crisis is unfolding, I would be very surprised if what I'm about to tell you now is not on the G-20 table this weekend.

Furthermore, I believe the end result will make a $2,270 price target for gold look conservative, to say the least. You'll see why in a minute.

First, the G-20's motive for a new monetary system: It's driven by and based upon this very simple proposition ...

'If we can't print money fast enough to fend off another deflationary Great Depression, then let's change the value of the money.'

I call it ...

'The G-20's Secret Debt Solution'

It would be a strategy designed to ease the burden of ALL debts — by simultaneously devaluing ALL currencies ... and re-inflating ALL asset prices.

That's what central banks and governments around the world are going to start talking about this weekend — a new financial order that includes new monetary units that helps to wipe clean the world's debt ledgers.

It won't be an easy deal to broker, since the U.S. is the world's largest debtor. But remember: Debts are now going bad all over the world. So everyone would benefit.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke ... Treasury Secretary Paulson ... President Bush ... President-elect Obama ... former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker ... Warren Buffett ... and central bankers and politicians all over the world agree a new monetary system is needed.

So they'll start hashing out the details to get the new financial architecture deployed as quickly as possible.
If you think I'm crazy or propagating some kind of conspiracy theory, then consider the historical precedent ...

To end the Great Depression in 1933 Franklin Roosevelt devalued the dollar via Executive Order #6102, confiscating gold and raising its price 69.3%, effectively kick starting asset reflation.

Only this time, it won't be just the U.S. that devalues its currency. The world is too interconnected. Instead, the world's leading countries will propose a simultaneous and universal currency devaluation.

This time, they will NOT confiscate gold. There would be riots all over the globe if they even mentioned the 'C' word.
But they don't have to confiscate gold. Here's one scenario ...

They cease all gold sales and instead, raise the current official central bank price of gold from its booked value of $42.22 an ounce — to a price that monetizes a large enough portion of the world's outstanding debts.

That way, just like in 1933, the debts become a fraction of re-inflated asset prices (led higher by the gold price).

to be continued...

665 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:39:00am
666 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:39:06am

re: #628 mama winger

They get federal funding.

Yes, according to the 2006-2007 annual report, 33% of their funds come from government grants. Thirty-five percent comes from charges for services (including exams, contraceptives, and abortion), and 26% comes from private donations.

667 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:39:18am

re: #663 mama winger

Shoot me now.

Can't - gotta conserve ammo.

668 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:39:21am

re: #661 3 wood

I'm pulling for Kerry. Can you imagine the stuff he will say into a microphone?

I'm pulling for Hilliary to get her the hell outa NY

669 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:40:01am

re: #667 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can't - gotta conserve ammo.

Oh yeah. I fergot.

670 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:40:21am

re: #664 mamashawna

That kinda dwarfs my Gordon Brown global tax cut post.

671 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:40:51am

re: #629 mama winger
Good morning mama - sorry to read you've got a migraine - is there anything you can take/do for it (hint, trying to "discuss" stuff with you-know-who isn't it!)?

672 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:08am

re: #613 3 wood

Cook County Judge Martin Coughlin kept discussion focused on Davis' alleged left turn crossing the center line and refused to hear testimony from Kuhlmann about a second time she claimed Davis' vehicle drifted over the double yellow lines.

I wonder if there was a valid legal reason for the Judge to exclude the evidence. Maybe it was hearsay evidence which the witness was told by the other cop who did not show up to testify.
If so, then the legal result was correct and there was no "fix".
And why would the reporter have chosen to omit the Judge's reason for excluding the evidence?

673 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:24am

re: #619 JustMyView

re: #596 DistantThunder

Obviously PP isn't making money if the baby is being kept or adopted.

I don't think they're making money providing abortions either. If they were, they wouldn't be dependent on donations.

Please re-read my #522. $1B profit off abortions. $300M from us, the rest from charging for the abortions and from donations. They're not the Red Cross.

674 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:29am

re: #639 Bumr50

I get these things called cluster headaches every so often. I tell people that they make me want to gouge out my temple with a melon scooper and they don't believe me.

I used to get migraines all the time. Made me nauseous. I'd vomit. Then I'd feel better. One day while suffering through one, I drank some warm water with a teaspoon of baking soda right at the onset. Settled my tummy and the headache vanished.

Discovered it was my upset tummy causing the migraines. Haven't suffered one in decades.

675 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:33am

re: #630 JustMyView

Sorry JMV. I disagree with you completely on this one. The women I know that went through an abortion are seriously messed up. I can't speak for all of them, but that is my experience.

676 mamashawna  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:39am

Continued...
And this time, instead of staying with the dollar as a reserve currency, the G-20 issues three new monetary units of exchange, each with equal reserve status.

The three currencies will essentially be a new dollar, new euro, and a new pan-Asian currency. (The Chinese yuan may survive as a fourth currency, but it will be linked to a basket of the three new currencies.)

The new fiat monetary units would be worth less than the old ones. For instance, it could take 10 new units of money to buy 1 old dollar or euro.

New names would be given to the new currencies to help rid the world of the ghost of a system that failed. Additional regulations and programs would be designed and implemented to ease the transition to a new monetary system.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) would implement the new financial system in conjunction with central banks and governments around the world.

Keep in mind that the IMF is already set up to handle the transition, and has had contingency plans allowing for it since the institution was formed in 1944.

Included in the design and transition to a new monetary system ...

A. A new fixed-rate currency regime. Immediately upon upping the price of gold and introducing the new currencies, a new fixed exchange rate system would be re-introduced. The floating exchange rate system would be tossed into the dust bin along with the old currencies.

This would kill any speculation about further devaluations in the currency markets, and drastically reduce market volatility.
B. To sell the program to savers and protect them from the currency devaluation, compensatory measures would be enacted. For instance, a one-time windfall tax-free deposit could be issued by governments directly to citizens' accounts, or, to employer-sponsored pensions, to IRAs, or Social Security accounts.

Income taxes may subsequently be raised to pay for the give-away, or a nominal global type of sales tax could be enacted to help pay for the new system and the compensatory measures.

C. Additional programs would be designed to protect lenders and creditors. Lenders stand a much higher chance of getting paid off under the new monetary system — but with a currency whose purchasing power would now be a fraction of what it was when the loans were originated.

So programs would have to be designed to help lenders offset the inflationary costs of their devalued loans, probably via the tax code.

Naturally, all this is a bit more complicated than I've spelled out above. But that gives you a big-picture outline of what the plan could look like. And I think major changes like these are going to be set in motion at this weekend's G-20 meetings in Washington.

Would they work?

Yes. They would help avoid a repeat of the deflationary Great Depression. But don't expect even a new monetary system to put the U.S. or the global economy back on track toward the high rates of real growth that we've seen over the last several years. That's simply not going to happen. Not for a while.

677 jorline  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:47am

re: #651 HoosierHoops

By Feb. I will be bat shit crazy.. I usually fly somewhere warm and play golf for a few days...
I have never played golf in Texas..I'm getting this crazy idea...

LOL I lived in the Rio Grande Valley for 13 years, it's about two hours south of me. Great winter temps, a lot of golf courses, South Padre Island and tons of Winter Texans from your neck of the woods.

678 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:41:47am

re: #652 MandyManners

Are they ignorant of history or, complicit?

Absolutely complicit.

They agree with a lot of this crap.

Walk through the "J" school Department at any local public university and just look at the America hating stuff you see posted up on the walls.

This is the environment these people went to school in.

You can see it coming out of them now.

679 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:42:14am

re: #661 3 wood

I'm pulling for Kerry. Can you imagine the stuff he will say into a microphone?

You mean like telling school kids to stay in school or they will end up in the military?

680 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:42:37am

Good morning, {all y'all}
Thank

God

it's Friday!

681 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:42:46am

re: #671 realwest

Good morning realwest -

I take Imitrex (sp) for migraines but the whiskey ain't workin' anymore, if you catch my drift :)

682 mamashawna  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:42:48am

Last Section:
Instead, I'm talking about a massive asset price reflation, negative real economic growth in the U.S. and Europe — but continued real GDP gains in Asia.

The Big Question: What gold price would be legislated to reflate the U.S. and global economy?

I can't tell you what gold price the G-20 would ultimately agree to. But here's what they will be looking at ...

To monetize 100% of the outstanding public and private sector debt in the U.S., the official government price of gold would have to be raised to about $53,000 per ounce.

To monetize 50%, the price of gold would have to be raised to around $26,500 an ounce.

To monetize 20% would require a gold price a hair over $10,600 an ounce.

To monetize just 10%, gold would have to be priced just over $5,300 an ounce.

Those figures are just based on the U.S. debt structure and do not factor in global debts gone bad. But since the U.S. is the world's largest debtor and the epicenter of the crisis, the G-20 will likely base their final decision mostly on the U.S. debt structure.

So how much debt do I think would be monetized via an executive order that raises the official price of gold? What kind of currency devaluation would I expect as a result?

I would not be surprised to see the G-20 monetize at least 20% of the U.S. debt markets. THAT MEANS ...

Gold would be priced at over $10,000 an ounce.

Currencies would be devalued by a factor of at least 12 to 1, meaning it would take 12 new dollars or euros to equal 1 old dollar or euro.

The return of the Gold Standard?

You ask, 'how could this be accomplished when we no longer have a gold standard? Further, are you advocating a gold standard?'

My answers:
First, you don't need a gold standard to accomplish a devaluation of currencies and revaluation of the monetary system.

By offering to pay over $10,000 an ounce for gold, central banks can effectively accomplish the same end goal — monetizing and reducing the burden of debts, via inflating asset prices in fiat money terms.

Naturally, hoards of gold investors will cash in their gold. The central banks will pile it up. At the same time, other hoards of investors will not sell their gold, even at $10,000 an ounce. But the actual movement of the gold will not matter. It is the psychological impact and the devaluation of paper currencies that matters.

Second, I do NOT advocate a fully convertible gold standard. Never have. There isn't enough gold in the world to make currencies convertible into gold. It would end up backfiring, restricting the supply of money and credit.

Good trading to you all. LOL

683 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:43:40am

re: #653 freedombilly

The line of the morning so far: associating with someone is not associating.

It all depends on what the definition of is, is...

And in the 'Change You Can Believe In' Department... Hillary for Secretary of State? It's all over the papers here in NYC... God help our country...

684 Crusty  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:43:40am

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.

The punchline is, "Sorry lady, we're all out of bottles today so I'm gonna have to give it to you straight from the tap."

685 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:44:17am

re: #678 3 wood

Absolutely complicit.

They agree with a lot of this crap.

Walk through the "J" school Department at any local public university and just look at the America hating stuff you see posted up on the walls.

This is the environment these people went to school in.

You can see it coming out of them now.

Things have changed since I was in J-school.

686 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:44:22am

re: #652 MandyManners
Morning Mandy - I dibbs complicit. At a minimum.

687 mamashawna  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:44:39am

re: #670 Bumr50

But...there's more! ;)

688 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:44:41am
689 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:44:48am

re: #645 mama winger

Good morning Mama.

Do me a favor please. You know Chicago politics too.

Please read my post #613, and then let me know if I have exaggerated in any way.

690 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:45:11am

re: #680 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}
Thank


it's Friday!

I have no idea what I did to make my post look like that. I can promise you that I did not intend to put God's name in small text!

691 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:45:27am

re: #657 ploome hineni

Half of all pregnancies among African Americans end in abortions and half of all abortions performed in the US are of African Americans. There have been 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade. Which suggests there would be up to 20 million more African Americans alive today if they had not been aborted. That would significantly alter the demographics of the country.

692 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:45:40am

re: #680 redstateredneck

Mornin red.

693 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:45:53am

Morning, everyone. To continue in my theme of cat postings, I have to share my daughter's submission. I think she's trying to tell me something about her cat, who is still at my house. I'm worried.

694 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:46:15am

re: #638 mama winger

That will leave a mark too.

695 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:46:16am
696 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:46:20am

re: #687 mamashawna

But...there's more! ;)

If you order in the next 10 minutes, you'll get a free Sham-Wow!

697 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:46:21am

re: #654 aussiemagpie
Hey there {aussiemagpie} *smooches* back to you!
Too bad it's Saturday night there - means the weekend's half over, ours hasn't even begun!
Course, for me, weekends are the same as weekdays, so there's that...!
How are you and how's the Chardy holding up?!?

698 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:46:53am

re: #681 mama winger

Good morning realwest -

I take Imitrex (sp) for migraines but the whiskey ain't workin' anymore, if you catch my drift :)

I had the same problem, my dear. Go to your doctor, and see about a different medication. There are various triptans on the market.

699 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:47:06am

re: #688 ploome hineni

I used to getmigranes

I am sure you know to take the pain medication when you feel the headache may begin

Yup. that was my problem - I started getting it on Election Night while I was working at the polls. I didn't have anything with me, and now I am stuck in cluster-headache hell.

700 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:47:47am

re: #680 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}
Thank


it's Friday!

G'day {redstateredneck} Good to see you!

701 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:48:10am

re: #692 midwestgak

Mornin red.

Hey, gak. I was almost in Missouri last weekend. Bentonville, Arkansas.

702 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:48:12am

Interesting cat link.

703 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:48:27am

re: #656 Bumr50
Morning to you. WTH is a "globally coordinated tax cut."? I mean, how are the French - among other socialistic countries - going keep on keeping on with tax cuts for crying out loud?

704 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:48:45am

re: #698 vxbush

I had the same problem, my dear. Go to your doctor, and see about a different medication. There are various triptans on the market.

The problem is that I have a blood disorder that prevents me from taking many medications. I think I might have to just go with the whole 'melon scooper in the temple' thing :)

705 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:48:48am

re: #693 vxbush

Morning, everyone. To continue in my theme of cat postings, I have to share my daughter's submission. I think she's trying to tell me something about her cat, who is still at my house. I'm worried.

Really cute. Made me smile. Needed that.

706 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:49:00am

re: #646 realwest

I know some good people in Chicago and don't understand how the Machine can still operate the way it has for generations now. Just can't understand it (the Davis case being seperate and distinct, not because of his race but because of his being in the Congress and apt to be appointed Obama's successor in the Senate).

Because they control everything in Chicago and have for over 50 years.

If you oppose them, you get destroyed.

Did you notice the cop in the story that issued the ticket did not even show up to court? Gee, I wonder why.

Because that way the ticket could be thrown out. I'm sure the officer was told in no uncertain circumstances to not go near court that day.

Again, it's what Royko called "the fix is in".

Much like what is going on in Minnesota right now, by the way.

You can book it folks, Franken will win. I'm sure the Dem's are "finding" votes for Franken all over the State by now.

707 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:49:39am

re: #693 vxbush

Morning, everyone. To continue in my theme of cat postings, I have to share my daughter's submission. I think she's trying to tell me something about her cat, who is still at my house. I'm worried.


Funny!

708 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #682 mamashawna

As a former or "recovering" alcoholic, I have a tendency to relate my personal experiences to political situations.
I'm not entirely isolationist and feel that the global marketplace is a good thing.
That being said, getting one's own ducks in a row is absolutely imperative before helping anyone else with theirs. It NEVER works the other way.
The "rest of the world" is not going to come up with a mutually beneficial solution by virtue of the truth that this is in fact still the greatest nation in the world, and any compromise or legislation struck with our "friends" would be better for them than for us.

709 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:50:22am

re: #701 redstateredneck

Hey, gak. I was almost in Missouri last weekend. Bentonville, Arkansas.

That's great. I stayed in Chicago.

710 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:50:35am
711 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:50:48am

re: #704 mama winger

The problem is that I have a blood disorder that prevents me from taking many medications. I think I might have to just go with the whole 'melon scooper in the temple' thing :)

Aiyee. That greatly complicates things. Have you tried the facial ice packs? I love them. I have a facial mask filled with resin beads sitting my freezer that I pull out when things are getting bad. Helps a lot.

712 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:50:51am

re: #697 realwest

Hey there {aussiemagpie} *smooches* back to you!
Too bad it's Saturday night there - means the weekend's half over, ours hasn't even begun!
Course, for me, weekends are the same as weekdays, so there's that...!
How are you and how's the Chardy holding up?!?

LOL! The chardy is on hold for tonight - I have to work today, so I need unshaky hands to give injections :-)

713 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:50:59am

re: #700 aussiemagpie

{ { {aussie} } }!
How are ya'?

714 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:51:02am

re: #706 3 wood

If When Franken wins I will have to check out of the news loop for at least a month.

715 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:51:06am

re: #703 realwest

Morning. Beats me.

716 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:51:37am

re: #495 aussiemagpie

LOL! My Dad was definitely a very conservative thinker, after being in prison in Austria in the early 30s for being an anarchist !

My Mum had no time for any politicians of any type :-)

And I'm not a basement kiddie, an oldie *sigh* thinking about what colour my walker is going to be, and will it have a GT stripe

Take your calcium - My 90 - something year old grandmother said she wanted to die falling out of a tree, and she almost did.

717 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:51:48am

re: #699 mama winger

Yup. that was my problem - I started getting it on Election Night while I was working at the polls. I didn't have anything with me, and now I am stuck in cluster-headache hell.

I've been in the same boat - I worked the polls too, 6 AM to 8:30 PM & haven't really recovered. The election results haven't improved my disposition either.

718 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:52:08am

re: #680 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}
Thank


it's Friday!

good Morning! And how is everything with you?

719 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:52:19am

re: #710 ploome hineni

that is because abstinence and morality cannot be taught along with methods of condom placement

and of course, using shame to produce desired behaviors is destructive to self esteem and the right to sexual behavior without any consequence whatsoever

Shame, our forgotten virtue.

720 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:52:19am

re: #165 shanec99

Levin is wrong... Liberalism is not the philosophy of the stupid... it is the philosophy of lies.

I disagree, partly. It's both. The deceivers and the deceived. The deceivers are anything but stupid. They are wily, crafty, sly, quite intelligent, and they know exactly what they are doing and who they are fooling. Just like the Serpent from Genesis, they are "subtil". Anything but stupid. The people who are stupid are the fooled. They are deceived by the deceivers, for many reasons, not least of which is because they have been programmed. Programmed by their schools, by the television, by the popular culture. It's a cycle, too. They are stupid for watching TV, for believing all that they hear on it, which makes them stupid. Rinse and repeat. For generations. The schools' methods of "teaching" are quite (hate to say this) intelligently designed, by intelligent, EVIL people. The de-educational programming on television? Likewise. It is knee-jerk to claim that these people are stupid, and just as much to claim that the recipients of all this programming are plain evil. Al Gore is not stupid, although it's fun to say this, and probably cathartic. He is quite intelligent, and knows exactly what he is doing. Liberalism is twofold - the .1% who decieve the 99.9%, quite intentionally. For the 99.9%, I try to say Forgive them, for they know not what they do. The others? I have nothing to say that would not make Charles' site look bad.

Over on the Ayers thread at ABCnews many commenters are saying things like, "What's the big deal? Ayers is just a stupid ex-hippie." I want to SCREAM at them, "NO! He is FAR from stupid. He is a consciously evil liar, manipulator, and communist revolutionary, and he daily plots evil against you, your neighbors, and, most insidiously, your kids' minds." Even Rush falls into it. "How can they be so mind-bogglingly stupid?!", he'll say, about someone who is obviously on the Deciever side of this dichotomy. I know he knows, but it's just so darn EASY to take that road.

Morning all.
-Taq

721 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:53:04am

re: #706 3 wood

I wholeheartedly agree... Franken will win in Minnesota... I think the hope for maintaining the Dems at 59 seats will lie with Saxby Chambliss...

722 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:53:09am

re: #693 vxbush

Morning, everyone. To continue in my theme of cat postings, I have to share my daughter's submission. I think she's trying to tell me something about her cat, who is still at my house. I'm worried.

HAHAHA! I am printing that out and taking that to work with me at noon!

We have two cats in hospital right now that tried to eat me alive yesterday.

Never attempt to start an IV on a cat who is trying to kill you. Lesson of the Day.

723 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:53:32am

A friend of mine was told by her husband to abort her 4th pregnancy, as it would be "unfair to the other children" to have another baby. Instead, she divorced her husband and kept the baby.

She raised these 4 kids on her own, watched her promising career slip by, worked from home and made do as best she could. She has no regrets.

Last weekend her family celebrated the youngest child's 15th birthday. She a bright, beautiful, talented and happy young woman.

I understand the ex-husband is still a jerk.

724 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:53:55am
725 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:05am

re: #717 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've been in the same boat - I worked the polls too, 6 AM to 8:30 PM & haven't really recovered. The election results haven't improved my disposition either.

Maybe you and I should go out and get plastered. Couldn't hurt.

726 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:10am

re: #715 Bumr50

I do find it interesting that Gordon Brown is a liberal proposing a tax cut right after Obama is elected.
Makes me wonder how the higher-ups in Europe really feel about the One.

727 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:24am

Mornin' all. Didja see Oprah and some other famous folks have lost or will lose their houses? Gotta love SoCal. If it isn't burning up, it's shaking down, or sliding away in a mud slide.

728 JustMyView  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:25am

I have to run folks, but I'll try to check back later. Before leaving, though, I want to say that I'm not arguing for or against the morality of abortion. That's a decision each person has to make for him or herself. But I am arguing for attention to empirical reality in discussing the consequences of abortion. I jumped into the conversation above because of blanket assertions about the psychological damage suffered by women who have abortions. Those claims just can't be supported. No doubt, there are some women who suffer post-abortion psychological trauma, but the number is small, and some evidence indicates they are women who have other psychological problems such as depression.

Arguing about "a woman I knew" or "the people who consult me as a pastor" is interesting, but it's not empirically compelling because there are no comparisons, no control in the selection of observations, and no systematic observations of the person's psychological condition.

See you later.

729 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:48am

re: #718 HoosierHoops

good Morning! And how is everything with you?

Everything is good so far, but I'm at work so it's subject to change.

730 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I can't say that I'm surprised by the "revelation" that Ayers and Obama were close friends. The writing had been on the wall for years. You don't launch your political career in the home of a complete stranger.

Yet, the media continued to treat this as a nonstory while they went on a search to find Trig's real birth parents.

731 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:54:53am

re: #723 Kenneth

Once a jerk, always a jerk.

732 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:04am

re: #719 vxbush

Shame, our forgotten virtue.

We need to have more pride in shame.

733 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:11am

re: #720 Taqiyyotomist

I think that Liberalism is the philosophy of no personal responsibility.

734 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:16am

re: #710 ploome hineni

Oh, don't be so judgmental!

///

735 jamie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:22am

Oy gevalt, the abortion nut pod people seem to have taken over the open thread.

736 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:23am

re: #722 mama winger

HAHAHA! I am printing that out and taking that to work with me at noon!

We have two cats in hospital right now that tried to eat me alive yesterday.

Never attempt to start an IV on a cat who is trying to kill you. Lesson of the Day.

Yeees. I would have to agree with that rule.

/so thankful we have ace promazine

737 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:33am

re: #723 Kenneth

My sister was bullied into an abortion by her first husband. He told her he would throw her out of the house if she didn't have an abortion. Then he proceeded to do it anyway a week later. She still mourns. That was 25 years ago.

738 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:40am

re: #691 Kenneth

Half of all pregnancies among African Americans end in abortions and half of all abortions performed in the US are of African Americans. There have been 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade. Which suggests there would be up to 20 million more African Americans alive today if they had not been aborted. That would significantly alter the demographics of the country.

So Roe v Wade was actually a white racist plot by SCOTUS.//

739 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:55am

re: #720 Taqiyyotomist

I believe you nailed it here.

740 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:55:56am

re: #723 Kenneth

{A friend of mine}

741 Miss Trixie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:56:20am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

It's Firday!

*happy dance*

{realwest} Morning, luv *smoochie-smooch* :D

742 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:56:28am

re: #725 mama winger

Maybe you and I should go out and get plastered. Couldn't hurt.

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
/Senator John Blutarsky

743 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:56:39am
744 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:56:42am

re: #730 lawhawk

Does this mean Obama lied in the third debate?

*crickets*

745 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:56:44am

re: #728 JustMyView

How about common sense?

746 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:56:51am

re: #736 vxbush
Also never attempt to trap feral cats. It doesn't work!

747 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:14am

re: #738 Spare O'Lake

So Roe v Wade was actually a white racist plot by SCOTUS.//

No, but that's been the result.

748 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:28am

re: #721 tfc3rid

I wholeheartedly agree... Franken will win in Minnesota... I think the hope for maintaining the Dems at 59 seats will lie with Saxby Chambliss...

Heard yesterday that Obama may be going to Georgia to campaign for his opponent.

749 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:40am

re: #743 ploome hineni
Ain't gonna happen.

750 Taqiyyotomist  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:43am

re: #728 JustMyView

I'll get back to you when I find a university that is willing to do this "study" you suggest without bias, and using empirical evidence. Don't hold your breath.

751 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:46am

re: #730 lawhawk

Do you think there will be backlash from this or just us right wing 'wackos' making hay out of it?

752 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:57am

re: #746 pingjockey

Also never attempt to trap feral cats. It doesn't work!

Or pick up a cat who will never allow it. The shredding on the back of one my shirts is a testament to that.

753 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:57:59am
754 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:58:08am

re: #746 pingjockey

An experience you'll no doubt never forget?

755 christheprofessor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:58:34am

Good morning, all...

Well, I glanced at Charles' post below about the myserious genome, and that may explain the screwy DNA results I just got back on my dog.

The first test (when it only tested for 38 breeds) said that the breakdown of influences was: significant DNA contribution of Cocker Spaniel, small contribution Whippet. Labrador Retriever didn't show up at all, though it was in the original list of breeds covered.

The new results, which test for 105 breeds, are: significant DNA contribution Whippet and Labrador Retriever, small contribution Cocker Spaniel and -- wait for it -- "German Shepherd Dog."

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I can't seem to do the mental origami that would cause the relative contributions of the Whippet and Cocker Spaniel DNA to reverse themselves, nor can I figure out why Lab wasn't picked up in the first test.

I need coffee. ;)

756 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:58:54am

re: #728 JustMyView

No doubt, there are some women who suffer post-abortion psychological trauma, but the number is small, and some evidence indicates they are women who have other psychological problems such as depression.

Yes. They aren't sad because they are sad. They are sad because they are probably already mentally ill.

Go. Go now.

757 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:13am

re: #704 mama winger
NO-O-O-O- no melon scoopers! LOL! Seriously mama, your doctor knows about your other problems and perhaps he/she could suggest something that would work much better than that Imitrex (sp? for me too!) stuff?

758 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:17am

re: #722 mama winger

Never attempt to start an IV on a cat who is trying to kill you.


I can't imagine attempting to start an IV on a cat, period. Even a cuddly kitty must get a might testy!

759 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:22am

re: #706 3 wood

Because they control everything in Chicago and have for over 50 years.

If you oppose them, you get destroyed.

Did you notice the cop in the story that issued the ticket did not even show up to court? Gee, I wonder why.

Because that way the ticket could be thrown out. I'm sure the officer was told in no uncertain circumstances to not go near court that day.

Again, it's what Royko called "the fix is in".

Much like what is going on in Minnesota right now, by the way.

You can book it folks, Franken will win. I'm sure the Dem's are "finding" votes for Franken all over the State by now.

OK, so then the "fixer" was not the Judge, but the Police.
Well, that's much more comforting.//

760 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:34am

re: #755 christheprofessor

Morning, sir! Hope you're well. Here's your coffee.

761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:38am

re: #752 vxbush

Or pick up a cat who will never allow it. The shredding on the back of one my shirts is a testament to that.

You should never let cats drive angry, either.

762 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:39am

re: #753 ploome hineni

take your time

/spit

Now now. Let's be civil. ;-)

763 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:43am
764 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 6:59:56am

re: #755 christheprofessor

How much did you pay, if you don't mind me asking? I won't be offended if you don't reply, it's just that we have a schnoodle that I personally don't think has any poodle in her at all.

765 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:07am

re: #737 mama winger

My sister was bullied into an abortion by her first husband. He told her he would throw her out of the house if she didn't have an abortion. Then he proceeded to do it anyway a week later. She still mourns. That was 25 years ago.

Dickhead tried to do that with me. When I refused to do so, he tried to induce one by harassing me relentlessly and driving me around the bend.

766 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:16am

Good Lord. Nat'l Geo channel is showing the fire on the Forrestal back in the 60s. I saw it it boot camp and forgot how horrific that was.

767 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:17am

re: #724 ploome hineni

that kept me worried and vigilant


It sure worked on me!

768 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:29am

re: #761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You should never let cats drive angry, either.

ROTFLMAO! I love it...

769 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:33am

I was in a dress store with my 16 year old daughter, and we watched a very pregnant woman attempting to be zipped into a too small wedding dress. It wasn't working. Then my daughter said: Remind me to never do that.

I don't think I'll have to ...but you never know. Life finds a way.

770 joncelli  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:44am

Safari 3.2 for Mac and Windows is out, lizards. Go get yourself a download.

771 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:49am

re: #761 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You should never let cats drive angry, either.

"I'm going to pack your angry eyes. Just in case."

772 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:00:54am

re: #651 HoosierHoops

By Feb. I will be bat shit crazy.. I usually fly somewhere warm and play golf for a few days...
I have never played golf in Texas..I'm getting this crazy

idea...

I have a mug which says on the side:
"Full Blown Bat-Shit Crazy"

:)

773 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:01:04am
774 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:01:04am

One of my sons came home and told us that his girlfriend was pregnant (several years ago). He was 16 and she was 15.

My reaction? I told him that he was in for a life sentence and that he would be taking care of that child for longer than he was alive. He asked what he should do and my comment was for him to get a job, save the money and take care of the baby. He eventually dropped out of school, got a GED and now is in his Junior year of college at the age of 28.

He's shocked some of the post high school crowd with reality.

775 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:01:08am

re: #756 mama winger
I think it has left.

776 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:01:30am

re: #766 pingjockey

Good Lord. Nat'l Geo channel is showing the fire on the Forrestal back in the 60s. I saw it it boot camp and forgot how horrific that was.

Was that the fire that McCain was in, or was that the Oriskany?

777 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:01:40am

re: #758 redstateredneck

I can't imagine attempting to start an IV on a cat, period. Even a cuddly kitty must get a might testy!

The job is no fun, but the pay is lousy. That's what keeps me going.

778 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:02:11am

Good Morning!

I admit that it's cool but I'm sticking to my FAL. So to speak...

779 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:02:12am
780 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:02:25am

re: #775 pingjockey

I think it has left.

And immediately my head feels slightly better :)

781 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:02:26am

PS - I remember something about Charles saying that he didn't want anymore abortion discussion just because they devolve. We've been studiously avoiding such discussions. I heard this second hand.

782 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:02:37am

re: #720 Taqiyyotomist

Political opinions have nothing to do with the intelligence or stupidity of a person. You can always find some very smart people who hold very "stupid" political beliefs and visa-versa. Politics are all about ethics, morality, and the psychology of the person. You believe the political philosophy you do because you believe it is ethically or morally correct. The set of values you judge issues by is formed by your upbringing, your experiences, your moral framework and your personal psychology.

783 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:02:57am

re: #737 mama winger

What a monster!

784 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:07am

re: #706 3 wood
That's why I said Chicago needs a new Eliot Ness! Got to either work your way up the food chain, or take off the tops of the chain and work downwards from there.
Trust me when I say to you that EVEN UNDER KING RICHARD, Chicago is NO WHERE nearly as corrupt as it was under KING AL CAPONE. Not by a long shot.
IIRC, the real Eliot Ness wound up have more than a quarter of the cops in Chicago fired, got the Feds to clean out the local judiciary and the like - then let the Feds take Capone down on a tax evasion charge!

785 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #769 DistantThunder

I was in a dress store with my 16 year old daughter, and we watched a very pregnant woman attempting to be zipped into a too small wedding dress. It wasn't working. Then my daughter said: Remind me to never do that.

I don't think I'll have to ...but you never know. Life finds a way.

On the bright side it appears that she's into boys.

786 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:11am

re: #779 ploome hineni

best site ever

I don't know. For a while, StuffonMyCats.com was doing well, and then CuteOverload.com was hitting home runs daily. They have cycles.

787 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:34am

re: #743 ploome hineni

He posted some study at #328. I didn't bother to read it.

788 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:44am

re: #781 DistantThunder

PS - I remember something about Charles saying that he didn't want anymore abortion discussion just because they devolve. We've been studiously avoiding such discussions. I heard this second hand.

LGF is a pro-evolution site, after all. ;)

789 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:51am

re: #765 MandyManners

God bless you and The Kid!

790 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:03:59am

Minnesotans should be ashamed if they send Al Franken to Washington.

791 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:04:12am

re: #755 christheprofessor

Good morning, all...

Well, I glanced at Charles' post below about the myserious genome, and that may explain the screwy DNA results I just got back on my dog.

The first test (when it only tested for 38 breeds) said that the breakdown of influences was: significant DNA contribution of Cocker Spaniel, small contribution Whippet. Labrador Retriever didn't show up at all, though it was in the original list of breeds covered.

The new results, which test for 105 breeds, are: significant DNA contribution Whippet and Labrador Retriever, small contribution Cocker Spaniel and -- wait for it -- "German Shepherd Dog."

Maybe it's too early in the morning, but I can't seem to do the mental origami that would cause the relative contributions of the Whippet and Cocker Spaniel DNA to reverse themselves, nor can I figure out why Lab wasn't picked up in the first test.

I need coffee. ;)

Somewhere there are monkeys and a dartboard.

792 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:04:19am

re: #647 turn

More on that almost duke out at the cab stand 3W?

I worked a private security gig for a major bank in Chicago for a while when I was in college in Chicago, and got around the City a lot. I used to run into Royko here and there, we knew each other enough to say hello on the street.

One day I had to go find one of the bank top executives who had a habit of getting lost at lunch and would try his best to drink some dive bar dry. So I started hitting the joints on Wells and then Michigan Ave. I found the guy in a sleazy dive wrapping himself around a pitcher of martini's, and Mr. Royko was right there matching him drink for drink.

What these two guys did not notice, but I did when I walked in, was there were a couple of street skells hanging out by the door, lining them up to roll them as soon as the two inebriated guys left to leave.

So, not wanting to just take my guy and leave Royko to rolled, I grabbed them both and escorted them out to the cab stand. I got them to a cab and got the back door open, when Royko decided to go back in and finish off his drink. I stopped him and he started swinging on me.

Royko was a mean drunk.

So there I was, a 20-something, wet behind the ears Chicago kid with local legend Mike Royko drunkenly trying to punch me out on the street on broad daylight.

I bobbed and weaved, realizing that if I so much as tapped him I was toast in that city. After a few wild swings by Mike, I pulled his coat up over his arms like you see the hockey players do in a fight to tie him up, threw him into the back of the cab, tossed the cabbie a ten-spot and told him to get the H*** out of here.

A couple weeks later I ran into Mike on the street and he apologized.

793 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:04:25am

re: #782 Kenneth

Political opinions have nothing to do with the intelligence or stupidity of a person. You can always find some very smart people who hold very "stupid" political beliefs and visa-versa. Politics are all about ethics, morality, and the psychology of the person. You believe the political philosophy you do because you believe it is ethically or morally correct. The set of values you judge issues by is formed by your upbringing, your experiences, your moral framework and your personal psychology.

Except you can change your political persuasion for a variety of reasons. I used to be a Democrat until I read some books that showed me the problems with democrat positions. I accepted the facts and changed my positions accordingly.

I realize that few people do that, however.

794 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:04:31am

re: #776 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
IIRC, Oriskany. However, I have been wrong before and will be again. On this abortion thing. I wish some really bright doc would come up with a vasectomy for teenage boys that was easily reversible! I'd get my 2 fixed, then when they got married they could have it reversed!

795 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:04:42am
796 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:05:01am

re: #765 MandyManners

Dickhead tried to do that with me. When I refused to do so, he tried to induce one by harassing me relentlessly and driving me around the bend.

I hear ya Mandy. I bet you took a few bruises too, just like my sister. Choice my ass.

797 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:05:01am

re: #790 Ward Cleaver

Minnesotans should be ashamed if they send Al Franken to Washington.

Minnesotans should be ashamed that they sent Al Franken to Saturday Night Live in the first place.

798 Lively  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:05:11am

re: #774 Perplexed

One of my sons came home and told us that his girlfriend was pregnant (several years ago). He was 16 and she was 15.

My reaction? I told him that he was in for a life sentence and that he would be taking care of that child for longer than he was alive. He asked what he should do and my comment was for him to get a job, save the money and take care of the baby. He eventually dropped out of school, got a GED and now is in his Junior year of college at the age of 28.

He's shocked some of the post high school crowd with reality.

I'm glad he has a good head on his shoulders and is taking care of his own kid.

799 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:05:51am

re: #790 Ward Cleaver

Minnesotans should be ashamed if they send Al Franken to Washington.

We won't send Al Franken to Washington, the Dumb Fascist Looters will.

800 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:06:14am

re: #712 aussiemagpie
" I need unshaky hands to give injections" - don't know why, shaky hands have neve bothered any nurses I've run into!
Or maybe it was me who was shaking?! Hmmm.
;')

801 Lively  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:06:19am

re: #790 Ward Cleaver

Minnesotans should be ashamed if they send Al Franken to Washington.

Al Franken is trying to send himself to Washington.

802 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:06:25am

re: #777 mama winger

The job is no fun, but the pay is lousy. That's what keeps me going.

My elderly dachshund, Sugarman, would tear the vet a new one if he had the chance. He does pretty well with the assistant, though, so I usually schedule his teeth cleaning to coincide with his annual vaccinations and check up. That way, they can do everything to him when he's in la-la land.

803 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #740 midwestgak

{same to you!}

804 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:06:47am
805 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:07:14am

re: #792 3 wood

So there I was, a 20-something, wet behind the ears Chicago kid with local legend Mike Royko drunkenly trying to punch me out on the street on broad daylight.

LOL ! Where's YouTube when you need it ! haha

806 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:07:25am

re: #794 pingjockey

IIRC, Oriskany. However, I have been wrong before and will be again. On this abortion thing. I wish some really bright doc would come up with a vasectomy for teenage boys that was easily reversible! I'd get my 2 fixed, then when they got married they could have it reversed!

"Son, we're going to take your testicles away from you until you finish college & get a real job. Look on the bright side - you won't have to wear a cup when playing football."

807 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:07:28am

re: #792 3 wood

Hilarious.

808 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:07:37am

re: #753 ploome hineni

take your time
/spit

C'mon give the guy a break, maybe he learned that scientific study shit working at the PR department of a tobacco company.//

809 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:07:39am

re: #800 realwest

" I need unshaky hands to give injections" - don't know why, shaky hands have neve bothered any nurses I've run into!
Or maybe it was me who was shaking?! Hmmm.
;')

That's why I always tell the nurses and phlebotomists: if you're taking blood, stick that needle in fast. You don't shake; my veins do.

810 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:06am

re: #802 redstateredneck

My elderly dachshund, Sugarman, would tear the vet a new one if he had the chance. He does pretty well with the assistant, though, so I usually schedule his teeth cleaning to coincide with his annual vaccinations and check up. That way, they can do everything to him when he's in la-la land.


That's the way to do it! Vet Techs everywhere salute you! LOL

811 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:10am

re: #799 The Other Les

We won't send Al Franken to Washington, the Dumb Fascist Looters will.

I know you're doing your part to keep him out of there. I sent some money to Saxby Chambliss.

812 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:27am

re: #793 vxbush

Did you change your political opinions because you suddenly became smarter (or stupider, depending on who you ask)?

No, you changed your opinions because your experiences shifted your moral framework.

813 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:45am

re: #797 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Minnesotans should be ashamed that they sent Al Franken to Saturday Night Live in the first place.

I always started channel surfing whenever Franken came on.

814 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:52am

re: #804 ploome hineni
I have the "Fear of God" speech, the "There are bugs out there drugs can't cure" speech and of course the ultimate threat "Your mom will turn you from a rooster to a hen".

815 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:56am

re: #806 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"Son, we're going to take your testicles away from you until you finish college & get a real job. Look on the bright side - you won't have to wear a cup when playing football."

And the look of fear begins...

You know, I had a friend who, for a while, thought men were fixed like pigs. His father corrected him post haste.

816 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:08:57am

re: #789 Kenneth

God bless you and The Kid!

Thanks!

817 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:09:00am

re: #798 Lively

I'm glad he has a good head on his shoulders and is taking care of his own kid.

The most complex structure in the known universe is the human brain with something like 100 Billion neurons. I am of the belief that more human brains are an asset to the world.

818 Boogberg  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:09:45am

Just a quick note for The Fifth Element fans (who don't have the DVD). You can watch it here to your heart's content. :D

819 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:09:51am

re: #812 Kenneth

Did you change your political opinions because you suddenly became smarter (or stupider, depending on who you ask)?

No, you changed your opinions because your experiences shifted your moral framework.

But I didn't experience anything. I gathered information from books. I consider those two separate.

820 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:10am
821 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:20am

re: #755 christheprofessor

Chris - what DNA profile did you use the second time ? Do you remember the name ? I could look into it for you if you like.

822 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:22am

re: #818 Boogberg

Just a quick note for The Fifth Element fans (who don't have the DVD). You can watch it here to your heart's content. :D

I loved that movie.

823 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:24am

re: #781 DistantThunder

PS - I remember something about Charles saying that he didn't want anymore abortion discussion just because they devolve. We've been studiously avoiding such discussions. I heard this second hand.

Experiences and consequences was the theme regarding lizards we care about. I believe good came from that theme and nothing devolved.

824 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:28am

re: #713 redstateredneck

{ { {aussie} } }!
How are ya'?

Fighting fit, for an old duck :-)

Ready to attend my first demo (I did go to a Nurses Rally for More $$$ in the 80s) on Wednesday to help remove our corrupt, incompetent and nasty State Government

It won't happen as idiot voters got them back in last year and we don't have that recall system here, but I will feel so much better that I've done something rather than just whinge about it

825 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:33am

re: #730 lawhawk
Morning lawhawk - great post my friend. Yeah, never mind about Ayers and Obama - it's the Sarah Palin's of the World who will endanger democracy the most!
MSM=ratbastids, almost every one of 'em.

826 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:10:40am

re: #796 mama winger

I hear ya Mandy. I bet you took a few bruises too, just like my sister. Choice my ass.

I moved half-way across the country when I was about four months pregnant but the fucker STILL tried to cause me mental anguish. I sicced my attorney on his attorney.

827 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:11:07am

re: #814 pingjockey

I have the "Fear of God" speech, the "There are bugs out there drugs can't cure" speech and of course the ultimate threat "Your mom will turn you from a rooster to a hen".

I like the drugs speech. Did you hear that they think they have a case in which a bone marrow transplant can cure HIV? What are those - about a cool Million each? Now we really can save the whole planet./sarc

828 Jamie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:11:14am

re: #802 redstateredneck

My elderly dachshund, Sugarman, would tear the vet a new one if he had the chance. He does pretty well with the assistant, though, so I usually schedule his teeth cleaning to coincide with his annual vaccinations and check up. That way, they can do everything to him when he's in la-la land.

I love dachshunds. Such great personalities. We would always try to schedule as many things as possible for one anesthesia session with ours. She hated the vet.

829 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:11:19am
830 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:11:27am

hey...Mr. Beach just sent me this with pats to his own back, of course. I'm sure we have many of the male lizards that would do well on this list as well.

100 Skills Every Man Should Know: 2008's Ultimate DIY List
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Brains and charm are fine, but a real guy needs to know how to do real stuff. After months of debate among PM’s expert editors, here’s our lineup of essential skills for the competent man.

Automotive
1. Handle a blowout
2. Drive in snow
3. Check trouble codes
4. Replace fan belt
5. Wax a car
6. Conquer an off-road obstacle
7. Use a stick welder
8. Hitch up a trailer
9. Jump-start a car

Emergencies
10. Perform the Heimlich
11. Reverse hypothermia
12. Perform hands-only CPR
13. Escape a sinking car

Home
14. Carve a turkey
15. Use a sewing machine
16. Put out a fire
17. Home-brew beer
18. Remove bloodstains from fabric
19. Move heavy stuff
20. Grow food
21. Read an electric meter
22. Shovel the right way
23. Solder wire
24. Tape drywall
25. Split firewood
26. Replace a faucet washer
27. Mix concrete
28. Paint a straight line
29. Use a French knife
30. Prune bushes and small trees
31. Iron a shirt
32. Fix a toilet tank flapper
33. Change a single-pole switch
34. Fell a tree
35. Replace a broken windowpane
36. Set up a ladder, safely
37. Fix a faucet cartridge
38. Sweat copper tubing
39. Change a diaper
40. Grill with charcoal
41. Sew a button on a shirt
42. Fold a flag

Medical
43. Treat frostbite
44. Treat a burn
45. Help a seizure victim
46. Treat a snakebite
47. Remove a tick

Military Know-How
48. Shine shoes
49. Make a drum-tight bed
50. Drop and give the perfect pushup

Outdoors
51. Run rapids in a canoe
52. Hang food in the wild
53. Skipper a boat
54. Shoot straight
55. Tackle steep drops on a mountain bike
56. Escape a rip current

Survival
57. Build a fire in the wilderness
58. Build a shelter
59. Find potable water

Surviving Extremes
60. Floods
61. Tornados
62. Cold
63. Heat
64. Lightning

Teach Your Kids
65. Cast a line
66. Lend a hand
67. Change a tire
68. Throw a spiral
69. Fly a stunt kite
70. Drive a stick shift
71. Parallel park
72. Tie a bowline
73. Tie a necktie
74. Whittle
75. Ride a bike

Technology
76. Install a graphics card
77. Take the perfect portrait
78. Calibrate HDTV settings
79. Shoot a home movie
80. Ditch your hard drive

Master These Key Workshop Tools
81. Drill driver
82. Grease gun
83. Coolant hydrometer
84. Socket wrench
85. Test light
86. Brick trowel
87. Framing hammer
88. Wood chisel
89. Spade bit
90. Circular saw
91. Sledge hammer
92. Hacksaw
93. Torque wrench
94. Air wrench
95. Infrared thermometer
96. Sand blaster
97. Crosscut saw
98. Hand plane
99. Multimeter
100. Feeler gauges

831 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:11:32am

re: #730 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I can't say that I'm surprised by the "revelation" that Ayers and Obama were close friends. The writing had been on the wall for years. You don't launch your political career in the home of a complete stranger.

Yet, the media continued to treat this as a nonstory while they went on a search to find Trig's real birth parents.

Weren't trig's real parents playing golf with Nicole's real killers?

832 SurferDoc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:11:41am

re: #818 Boogberg

Just a quick note for The Fifth Element fans (who don't have the DVD). You can watch it here to your heart's content. :D

Thanks! You made my morning. :)

833 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:09am
834 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:12am

re: #815 vxbush

And the look of fear begins...

You know, I had a friend who, for a while, thought men were fixed like pigs. His father corrected him post haste.

Nope. We're just pigs.

835 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:23am

re: #741 {Miss Trixie} Hey there Gorgeous! *smooches* back atcha! Love watching y'all do your happy dance, too!
LOL!

836 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:28am

re: #790 Ward Cleaver

Minnesotans should be ashamed if they send Al Franken to Washington.

Listen, this conservative Minnesotan wanted nothing to do with that SOB Franken. I made sure to vote against Franken and for the best candidate Norm Coleman to make sure Franken never sees the inside of the Senate as a Senator. You can blame the DFL (Democrats For Life not Democrats Farm Labor) for this fiasco. They infest the twin cities and the NE areas while damaging this fine state.

837 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:37am
838 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:37am

re: #830 Beach Lover

And I want a man who will show me how to do everything on that list. It doesn't hurt for me to be prepared, either.

839 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:39am

re: #661 3 wood

I'm pulling for Kerry. Can you imagine the stuff he will say into a microphone?

Me too. I want the Dems and Obama to screw up and overreach as much as possible in the next two years, so that in 2010 the GOP pick up seats in both the House and Senate.

840 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:42am

re: #829 ploome hineni

must wash my hair


me too...now done...pattern baldness has its advantages.

841 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:12:54am

re: #799 The Other Les

We won't send Al Franken to Washington, the Dumb Fascist Looters will.

Seriously... I've never really seen an election be stolen this obviously... And no one is making a big deal about it...

Just when I think we have sunk to our lowest we keep digging...

842 christheprofessor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:13:08am

Sorry for the delay in responding folks -- I'm back to the damn home page reloading problem when I hit the "reply" button and the usual fix isn't fixing it.

#760 vxbush

Good morning, and thank you kindly -- I could use a cup that size -- yesterday was one of those rare 14 hour days I have to put in...

#764 Bumr50

The full test is now $120 but I didn't pay near that for either the original or the upgraded one.

#791 DistantThunder

It seems like it, that's for sure. Or at least running the business. Took them three weeks to get me the sample kit and over 7 weeks to get the results, which they say will take four weeks.

843 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:13:14am

re: #764 Bumr50

How much did you pay, if you don't mind me asking? I won't be offended if you don't reply, it's just that we have a schnoodle that I personally don't think has any poodle in her at all.

The DNA test we use costs about $160. There are about 4-5 different ones out there now, and prices may vary depending on which one your vet uses and what area of the country you are in.

844 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:13:42am

re: #716 legalpad

Take your calcium - My 90 - something year old grandmother said she wanted to die falling out of a tree, and she almost did.

I'm scared of heights :-)

And yes, calcium it is, as I'm NOT having a broken hip when I'm older for sure

845 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:13:49am

re: #672 Spare O'Lake

I wonder if there was a valid legal reason for the Judge to exclude the evidence. Maybe it was hearsay evidence which the witness was told by the other cop who did not show up to testify.
If so, then the legal result was correct and there was no "fix".
And why would the reporter have chosen to omit the Judge's reason for excluding the evidence?

I was carful to put "Cook County" in front of the word "judge".

For anybody familiar with how the Chicago Machine works, that is all you need to know.

The legal reason the judge did it is cause the judge felt like it, and in Chicago, when you are tossing out a charge against a machine politician, that is all you need.

846 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:13:55am

re: #819 vxbush

Ok, I could argue that some experience or change in values led you to read those books or that reading the books was the "experience"... but that's up to you to determine. My point is, you did not suddenly get smarter after reading those books. Your political opinions are not tied to your intelligence level.

847 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:13:59am

re: #826 MandyManners

I moved half-way across the country when I was about four months pregnant but the fucker STILL tried to cause me mental anguish. I sicced my attorney on his attorney.

I am so very glad that you and the Kid are here and doing FABULOUS.

Living well is the best revenge.

848 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:14:03am

re: #826 MandyManners
My wife talks about her ex doing the mental shit. I had no idea how that worked. Not a psych major! Nor an abuser/manipulator. She showed me how that thing, I refuse to call it a man., did the mental crap. Absolutely insidious and evil.

849 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:14:19am

I'm thinking of a chastity belt for The Kid.

850 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:14:49am

re: #826 MandyManners

I moved half-way across the country when I was about four months pregnant but the fucker STILL tried to cause me mental anguish. I sicced my attorney on his attorney.

I've got one for you. My friend divorced her abusive husband 8 years ago after he broke down the bedroom door and raped her. You can still see all the damage to the molding around the door frame.

Anyway, now they have been ordered by the divorce judge to attend parenting counseling together. She has to sit next to her rapist while he lies to this woman who tells them that parenting is a 50/50 proposition. My friend called me last night after their first session, and she said she felt sick to her stomach as he sat there giving these Mr. Child Psychologist answers.

851 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:15:29am

re: #841 tfc3rid

Seriously... I've never really seen an election be stolen this obviously... And no one is making a big deal about it...

Just when I think we have sunk to our lowest we keep digging...

Maybe the Iraqis could come to Minnesota & teach them about honest elections.

852 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:15:35am

re: #847 mama winger

I am so very glad that you and the Kid are here and doing FABULOUS.

Living well is the best revenge.

Thanks, mama. It's been a long and crazy road.

853 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:15:52am

re: #839 Ward Cleaver

Me too. I want the Dems and Obama to screw up and overreach as much as possible in the next two years, so that in 2010 the GOP pick up seats in both the House and Senate.

One would hope... Especially since in 2012, Congress will get to redesign their districts post-Census...

And, there aren't that many more seats for the GOP to seemingly lose...

854 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:16:03am

re: #849 MandyManners

I'm thinking of a chastity belt for The Kid.

Won't work.

855 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:16:33am

re: #830 Beach Lover
Hah! I can do all that shit except use a sewing machine!

856 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:16:34am

re: #846 Kenneth

Ok, I could argue that some experience or change in values led you to read those books or that reading the books was the "experience"... but that's up to you to determine. My point is, you did not suddenly get smarter after reading those books. Your political opinions are not tied to your intelligence level.

Oh, I see what you mean. Well, my IQ did not change, and the field of information I used to determine my position was enlarged and included more valid data. So I see your point.

857 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:17:00am

re: #765 MandyManners
Hey Mandy - for what little it's worth, I'm glad you were strong enough to resist the s.o.b. - from everything you've written out here, it sounds to me like you done right raising the kiddo!

858 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:17:01am

re: #850 DistantThunder

oh crap

859 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:17:03am

re: #830 Beach Lover

Pretty much everything a kid can learn in Scouts. I noticed there were no sexual skills listed - and it did say a "competent man."

Maybe male sexual skills needs it's own list of 100.

860 christheprofessor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:17:30am

#821 Mama Winger

I'll pop you an e-mail with the name of the company -- I don't want to post it.

861 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:17:43am

re: #852 MandyManners

Thanks, mama. It's been a long and crazy road.

I know from crazy.

{mandy}

862 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:18:01am

re: #860 christheprofessor

#821 Mama Winger

I'll pop you an e-mail with the name of the company -- I don't want to post it.

Good deal.

863 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:18:19am

re: #853 tfc3rid

One would hope... Especially since in 2012, Congress will get to redesign their districts post-Census...

And, there aren't that many more seats for the GOP to seemingly lose...

It's the states that get to redraw districts, and Sunbelt states should pick up even more seats, at the expense of the Northeast.

864 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:18:27am

re: #852 MandyManners

Thanks, mama. It's been a long and crazy road.

Well, you know that you have many supporters here as you travel down that road. And your ex is an ass.

865 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:18:42am

re: #848 pingjockey

My wife talks about her ex doing the mental shit. I had no idea how that worked. Not a psych major! Nor an abuser/manipulator. She showed me how that thing, I refuse to call it a man., did the mental crap. Absolutely insidious and evil.

Showing up in the middle of the night, sometimes drunk, demanding sex or threatening to bring a hooker to do the deed in the drive or in my bed. Trying to cut the power off in the middle of the winter (it cost a small chunk of change to have my attorney fix that). Driving by really slowly. Emptying the bank account and leaving me hundreds and hundreds of dollars in debt to the bank and merchants. I could go on but, I reckon you get the gist.

866 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:18:43am

re: #824 aussiemagpie

Power to the people!
:D

867 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:19:07am

Have a good day folks. Gotta go do things.

868 christheprofessor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:19:35am

#821 mama

Can you pop me an e-mail instead? I can't find your addy...

869 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:19:55am

re: #850 DistantThunder

I've got one for you. My friend divorced her abusive husband 8 years ago after he broke down the bedroom door and raped her. You can still see all the damage to the molding around the door frame.

Anyway, now they have been ordered by the divorce judge to attend parenting counseling together. She has to sit next to her rapist while he lies to this woman who tells them that parenting is a 50/50 proposition. My friend called me last night after their first session, and she said she felt sick to her stomach as he sat there giving these Mr. Child Psychologist answers.

Why hasn't her attorney requested separate sessions? A restraining order? Doesn't the judge give a flying fuck about the rape?

870 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:20:14am

re: #865 MandyManners

Showing up in the middle of the night, sometimes drunk, demanding sex or threatening to bring a hooker to do the deed in the drive or in my bed. Trying to cut the power off in the middle of the winter (it cost a small chunk of change to have my attorney fix that). Driving by really slowly. Emptying the bank account and leaving me hundreds and hundreds of dollars in debt to the bank and merchants. I could go on but, I reckon you get the gist.


So you married a three year old brat?///

871 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:20:18am

re: #854 Perplexed

Won't work.

Why not?

872 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:20:19am

re: #848 pingjockey

My wife talks about her ex doing the mental shit. I had no idea how that worked. Not a psych major! Nor an abuser/manipulator. She showed me how that thing, I refuse to call it a man., did the mental crap. Absolutely insidious and evil.

It's very evil. Try imagining how that game would be played by a guy who is an engineer who just happens to have super top secret clearance. It is a nightmare for my friend.

873 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:20:22am

re: #863 Ward Cleaver

It's the states that get to redraw districts, and Sunbelt states should pick up even more seats, at the expense of the Northeast.

I live in the Northeast, and the way the votes have gone recently we should lose seats.

874 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:20:25am

re: #865 MandyManners

Showing up in the middle of the night, sometimes drunk, demanding sex or threatening to bring a hooker to do the deed in the drive or in my bed. Trying to cut the power off in the middle of the winter (it cost a small chunk of change to have my attorney fix that). Driving by really slowly. Emptying the bank account and leaving me hundreds and hundreds of dollars in debt to the bank and merchants. I could go on but, I reckon you get the gist.

Yuck. Yuck. See, this is where shame is needed, as you needed a posse of good men like the Lizards here to stand around you and glare at this guy. Repeatedly. At every street corner, in every store. I think he would have gotten the hint. Maybe.

875 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:20:57am

re: #857 realwest

Hey Mandy - for what little it's worth, I'm glad you were strong enough to resist the s.o.b. - from everything you've written out here, it sounds to me like you done right raising the kiddo!

I wonder at times if I'm doing it right but, there is no manual so I gotta' play it by ear.

876 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:21:20am

re: #875 MandyManners

I wonder at times if I'm doing it right but, there is no manual so I gotta' play it by ear.

Hey, you have the whacking stick. You've earned that sucker.

877 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:21:36am

re: #865 MandyManners
Yep. Too bad we can't just some ol' time vigilante justice to fix things like that! They walk about on 2 legs and resemble humans but are some kind of devils minions.

878 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:21:36am

re: #869 MandyManners

Why hasn't her attorney requested separate sessions? A restraining order? Doesn't the judge give a flying fuck about the rape?

I'm shocked at that, too. What planet is that judge living on? Planet Hooters?

879 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:03am

re: #828 Jamie

I love dachshunds. Such great personalities. We would always try to schedule as many things as possible for one anesthesia session with ours. She hated the vet.

I have three dachshunds and a hound dog. That constitutes a pack.

880 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:32am

re: #864 Ford_Prefect

Well, you know that you have many supporters here as you travel down that road. And your ex is an ass.

I look for the day that he dies so that I can go after his estate for back child-support.

881 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:32am

re: #759 Spare O'Lake

OK, so then the "fixer" was not the Judge, but the Police.
Well, that's much more comforting.//

Not to be pedantic, but the "fixer" was the machine.

In Chicago they control the courts, the legal system, the voting system, the media.

882 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #879 redstateredneck

I have three dachshunds and a hound dog. That constitutes a pack.

What a handsome group!

883 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:49am

re: #878 Ward Cleaver
Nope. Planet Liberalism.

884 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:57am

re: #865 MandyManners

Showing up in the middle of the night, sometimes drunk, demanding sex or threatening to bring a hooker to do the deed in the drive or in my bed.

WTF? Oh that's classy! Next time, try flowers...

885 Boogberg  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:22:58am

re: #822 Ward Cleaver

I loved that movie.

Yep. I like it too. :D

re: #832 SurferDoc

Thanks! You made my morning. :)

Ha! We're even then because making your morning just made my morning! :D

886 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:03am

re: #868 christheprofessor

#821 mama

Can you pop me an e-mail instead? I can't find your addy...

I can't find yours either - ha!

I'm not shy about sharing it

mamawinger at dellmail dot com

This tape will self destruct in 60 seconds ...

887 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:04am

re: #855 pingjockey

Hah! I can do all that shit except use a sewing machine!

slacker

888 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:13am

re: #800 realwest

" I need unshaky hands to give injections" - don't know why, shaky hands have neve bothered any nurses I've run into!
Or maybe it was me who was shaking?! Hmmm.
;')

LOL! Plenty of people hate getting injections and they do shake - I try to shake in synch with them while giving the injection :-)

889 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:23am

re: #870 midwestgak

So you married a three year old brat?///

No. A 35-year-old member of US Special Forces. Fucking sociopath.

890 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:33am

re: #880 MandyManners

I look for the day that he dies so that I can go after his estate for back child-support.

Yeah buddy!

891 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:48am

re: #869 MandyManners

Why hasn't her attorney requested separate sessions? A restraining order? Doesn't the judge give a flying fuck about the rape?

She has no attorney because she used a private attorney for the divorce 8 years ago and now she can't afford one. Because it is a custody related issue - legal aid said they won't touch it - also because she already had a private attorney for the divorce.

Oh, and the reason he raped her is because she told him she's put the kids on a waiting list to sign them up for catechism. His new wife - of 8 years - has now become an alcoholic - I wonder why.

892 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:48am

re: #830 Beach Lover

Hey, {beachie}
I've got a few to add to the list.
;-)

893 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:23:55am

re: #809 vxbush
ROTFL! Good morning to you {vxbush} hope you're doing ok today - friend of mine puts some chocolate flavored liquer into his coffee in the morning, says it always sets him up well for whatever the day may bring!
I'm NOT ADVOCATING drinking of spirits in the morning (or any other time, being a recovered alcoholic myself) ya understand, but chocolate and coffee contmeporaneously would, I'd bet, make you a very happy camper in the morning! LOL!

894 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:24:08am

re: #887 Beach Lover

slacker

Yeah, well I can only use my grandmother's 100-year-old sewing machine. It's not a treddle, but was converted to a box with an external motor. Newfangled ones make me nervous.

895 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:24:11am

re: #887 Beach Lover
I know, terrible. Was properly folding the US flag on that list?

896 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:24:23am

re: #881 3 wood

Not to be pedantic, but the "fixer" was the machine.

In Chicago they control the courts, the legal system, the voting system, the media.

It's hard for folks not from here to grasp the pervasive and ruthless enormity of it.

897 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:24:31am

re: #888 aussiemagpie

LOL! Plenty of people hate getting injections and they do shake - I try to shake in synch with them while giving the injection :-)

I always just look away.

898 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:24:42am

re: #874 vxbush

Yuck. Yuck. See, this is where shame is needed, as you needed a posse of good men like the Lizards here to stand around you and glare at this guy. Repeatedly. At every street corner, in every store. I think he would have gotten the hint. Maybe.

The disapproval of society *might* have worked because it would've affected the image others had of him.

Nah.

899 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:25:22am

re: #891 DistantThunder

aw man ...

900 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:25:33am

re: #876 vxbush

Hey, you have the whacking stick. You've earned that sucker.

Indeed, I have.

901 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:25:33am

re: #893 realwest

ROTFL! Good morning to you {vxbush} hope you're doing ok today - friend of mine puts some chocolate flavored liquer into his coffee in the morning, says it always sets him up well for whatever the day may bring!
I'm NOT ADVOCATING drinking of spirits in the morning (or any other time, being a recovered alcoholic myself) ya understand, but chocolate and coffee contmeporaneously would, I'd bet, make you a very happy camper in the morning! LOL!

See, I have a problem with that. I don't drink, so no worries there. But the coffee takes away room for the chocolate. That's not acceptable.

902 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:25:48am

re: #852 MandyManners

Thanks, mama. It's been a long and crazy road.

glad to have met you along the 'road'!

903 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:25:56am

re: #765 MandyManners

Dickhead tried to do that with me. When I refused to do so, he tried to induce one by harassing me relentlessly and driving me around the bend.

The man was/is sick.

Every time my wife was expecting, I did not want her to even walk stairs for fear of something happening. I think normal husbands would feel that way.

She finally had to tell me once that she was pregnant, not dying.

904 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:26:02am

Gonna' hafta' take a walk around the yard. BP is high. bbiab

905 christheprofessor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:26:24am

#886 mama

On the way...

906 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:26:26am

re: #831 Nevergiveup
ROTFLMAO! Great one, Nevergiveup!

907 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:26:27am

re: #770 joncelli

Got it. Just switched from Firefox. We'll see...

908 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:26:38am

re: #889 MandyManners

No. A 35-year-old member of US Special Forces. Fucking sociopath.

ooh. Are you safe now?

909 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:27:05am

re: #889 MandyManners
No shit!? I know 3 guys who're SEALS and their psych exam was crazy. All of them very low key, calm when all about are losing their heads, etc...Special forces I would think would screen better than to let a sociopath any where near weapons and training of that type. Sheesh.

910 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:27:17am

re: #859 DistantThunder

Maybe male sexual skills needs it's own list of 100.

You need to find the dwarf who guards the cave.

911 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:27:19am

re: #880 MandyManners

I look for the day that he dies so that I can go after his estate for back child-support.

Unfortunately you will have to get in line behind Obama and his croneys for that money.

912 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:27:25am

re: #905 christheprofessor

#886 mama

On the way...

'kay

913 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:27:44am

re: #896 mama winger

It's hard for folks not from here to grasp the pervasive and ruthless enormity of it.

I was born there - lived there till 12 - heard the stories from parents. The Democrat party is like a large ferocious territorial tribe. They do "honor killings" of careers and businesses. And more.

914 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:28:01am

re: #903 3 wood

The man was/is sick.

Every time my wife was expecting, I did not want her to even walk stairs for fear of something happening. I think normal husbands would feel that way.

She finally had to tell me once that she was pregnant, not dying.

LOL. Sweet

915 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:28:03am

re: #903 3 wood

The man was/is sick.

Every time my wife was expecting, I did not want her to even walk stairs for fear of something happening. I think normal husbands would feel that way.

She finally had to tell me once that she was pregnant, not dying.

My husband was so sweet when I was pregnant and I got preeclampsia (sp?). I had to stay in bed all the time, and he was so considerate and made sure that I was in place, that I had everything I needed, etc. etc. I think the doctor put the fear of God into him. :D

916 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:28:14am

re: #837 Iron Fist
LOL! Thanks Bro' - although I think it'd be more correct to say Mayor Daley, not as brutally corrupt as Al Capone! LOL!
How are you doing today?

917 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:28:28am

re: #903 3 wood
Heh! My wife said basically the same thing. "I'm not made of glass".

918 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:28:42am

re: #913 DistantThunder

Yep. You don't mess with the Chicago Machine. evah

And now it moves to Washington. happy happy joy joy

919 UFO TOFU  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:01am

re: #855 pingjockey

Hah! I can do all that shit except use a sewing machine!

I can't get the bed-making thing down.

920 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:09am

re: #897 Ward Cleaver

I always just look away.

Yes I always advise that - catching fainting people is not fun !

921 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:17am

re: #737 mama winger

My sister was bullied into an abortion by her first husband. He told her he would throw her out of the house if she didn't have an abortion. Then he proceeded to do it anyway a week later. She still mourns. That was 25 years ago.

Back in the years, I suffered 10 miscarriages. Each was the loss of a child, and each was - and is still mourned. I cannot fathom what the grief would be like with the added aspect of guilt.

922 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:24am

re: #892 redstateredneck
Yea..me, too! How you doin', {red}?
Hafta run and get ready to face the crazies.
Have a great weekend all y'all!

923 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:26am

re: #903 3 wood

Hey my girlfriend calls her ex "dickhead." In fact the whole family does.

924 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:37am

re: #841 tfc3rid

Seriously... I've never really seen an election be stolen this obviously... And no one is making a big deal about it...

Just when I think we have sunk to our lowest we keep digging...

And the local edition of Pravda Star-Tribune will celebrate it as an expression of the Will Of The People.

925 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:37am

re: #917 pingjockey

Heh! My wife said basically the same thing. "I'm not made of glass".

Not me. I shouted "I AM MADE OF GLASS!"

I milked it for all it was worth. Didn't vacuum or do laundry for years :)

926 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:29:49am

re: #918 mama winger

Yep. You don't mess with the Chicago Machine. evah

And now it moves to Washington. happy happy joy joy

They may have met their match. We have not yet been subjugated.

927 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:10am

re: #894 vxbush

Yeah, well I can only use my grandmother's 100-year-old sewing machine. It's not a treddle, but was converted to a box with an external motor. Newfangled ones make me nervous.

My mom's is a 1947 model Singer (one of the black ones with gold trim), that she bought new. It's in a cabinet, with the lever you push on with your knee. My grandmother (her mom) had the same kind, and sewed clothes, quilts, doll clothes, you name it. She had all kinds of sewing stuff, like one of those things for marking hems, that used the yardstick thing and a sliding bottle full of talcum powder that you puffed out of a slot with a rubber bulb and hose. Don't think we didn't play with that as kids.

She also had a machine (hand-operated) for pressing eyelets into belts. My aunts got all of that stuff after she passed away.

928 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:10am

re: #913 DistantThunder

It's not any better here in Pittsburgh.

929 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:15am

re: #919 UFO TOFU
The secret is in the hospital corners. They help pull the rest of the sheet, blanket tight.

930 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:34am

re: #917 pingjockey

Heh! My wife said basically the same thing. "I'm not made of glass".

I just remember my wife crying because she needed a chicken sandwich from Burger King.

931 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:46am

re: #863 Ward Cleaver

It's the states that get to redraw districts, and Sunbelt states should pick up even more seats, at the expense of the Northeast.

But is that a good thing? We have seen FL trend blue, NC trend blue and even GA and SC close in on blue...

932 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:51am

re: #921 GGMac

Back in the years, I suffered 10 miscarriages. Each was the loss of a child, and each was - and is still mourned. I cannot fathom what the grief would be like with the added aspect of guilt.

Oh my dear - I can't imagine that kind of grief. {GGMac}

933 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:53am

re: #797 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Minnesotans should be ashamed that they sent Al Franken to Saturday Night Live in the first place.

Well, I try to look on the bright side.

Can you imagine the goofy stuff this guy will say into microphones over the next 6 years?

934 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:30:56am

re: #921 GGMac

Back in the years, I suffered 10 miscarriages. Each was the loss of a child, and each was - and is still mourned. I cannot fathom what the grief would be like with the added aspect of guilt.

I had 11 - never knew of anyone else in the double digits. But I do have 7 wonderful children - who do drive me a little crazy.

935 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:31:04am

re: #895 pingjockey

I know, terrible. Was properly folding the US flag on that list?

yep!

936 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:31:27am

re: #930 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I just remember my wife crying because she needed a chicken sandwich from Burger King.

RIGHT NOW ! !

937 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:31:28am

re: #925 mama winger
My better half still doesn't, much. Told her she was very lucky...got the navy trained model!

938 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:31:42am

re: #925 mama winger

Not me. I shouted "I AM MADE OF GLASS!"

I milked it for all it was worth. Didn't vacuum or do laundry for years :)

My favorite memory of when I was pregnant: I was laying down on the sofa, resting in the middle of the afternoon, and my cat was trying to lay on my belly. But the baby was restless and doing somersaults, handstands, karate, you name it. The cat was freaking out watching my belly squirm, jump, and shake.

939 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:32:21am

re: #936 mama winger

RIGHT NOW ! !

My husband would keep - and to this day still keeps a secret stash of chocolate for when I run out and it's 11pm.

940 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:32:44am

re: #915 vxbush

My husband was so sweet when I was pregnant and I got preeclampsia (sp?). I had to stay in bed all the time, and he was so considerate and made sure that I was in place, that I had everything I needed, etc. etc. I think the doctor put the fear of God into him. :D

My wife had that as well. Our daughter was born 10 weeks early at 2 pounds 10 ounces. She spent 8 weeks in the NICU. I cannot say enough about the amazing people who work there and the work that they do.

941 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:32:52am

re: #918 mama winger

Yep. You don't mess with the Chicago Machine. evah

And now it moves to Washington. happy happy joy joy

It's going to be interesting to watch Sarah Barracuda go after them in 2012.

942 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:32:55am

re: #938 vxbush

Now THAT would make a great video! LOL!

943 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:08am

re: #935 Beach Lover
Good. Helped the boys down at my sons elementary school learn how to fold the flag. Once we got it done the look on their faces was one of those to make you want to bust with pride.

944 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:10am

re: #939 DistantThunder

My husband would keep - and to this day still keeps a secret stash of chocolate for when I run out and it's 11pm.

Now THAT is a smart man.

945 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:18am

re: #901 vxbush
"But the coffee takes away room for the chocolate. That's not acceptable."
ROTFL! Well see now, I never thought of that!

946 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:19am

re: #939 DistantThunder

My husband would keep - and to this day still keeps a secret stash of chocolate for when I run out and it's 11pm.

Good man. Smart man.

947 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:25am

re: #919 UFO TOFU

I can't get the bed-making thing down.

My mr. can't grasp the need to make the bed. His philosophy is you're gonna get back in it. I cannot get into an unmade bed. It just feels nasty to me!

948 Beach Lover  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:36am

re: #919 UFO TOFU

I can't get the bed-making thing down.

Hey {tofu}! Yea. Mr. Beach said he has some issues with that one...but that was the only one he admitted to. Guess those boy scout sessions paid off.

949 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:47am

re: #931 tfc3rid

But is that a good thing? We have seen FL trend blue, NC trend blue and even GA and SC close in on blue...

Take heart. Trends like this don't go on forever.

Eventually, folks will look at the blue states, compare them with the red states, and realize that the red states are doing much better than the blue. Compare Texas and Michigan, for example, to see the LT impacts of socialism vs. capitalism. It'll happen eventually - I just don't know when.

950 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:33:59am

re: #871 MandyManners

Why not?

Hormones. Raging hormones. Opposite sex attraction. Doing something dangerous. Checking it out. Chasity belts don't work.

Instilling your values in them while praying for the best is about the best chances you have.

951 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:34:23am

re: #839 Ward Cleaver

re: #661 3 wood

I'm pulling for Kerry. Can you imagine the stuff he will say into a microphone?

Me too. I want the Dems and Obama to screw up and overreach as much as possible in the next two years, so that in 2010 the GOP pick up seats in both the House and Senate.

In addition, there is no way I can see Obama being dumb enough to let a Clinton into his cabinet.

No way.

952 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:34:25am

re: #921 GGMac

I'm so sorry for you . . .

953 aussiemagpie  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:34:39am

Hypocrite story number 5,672,000 for 2008

Sir Bob Geldorf asks for $100,000 to speak about global poverty *spit*

ANTI-poverty campaigner Sir Bob Geldof has charged Australian organisers $100,000 to give a speech about world suffering.

Geldof, 54, spoke about the tragedy of Third World poverty and the failure of governments to combat the crisis at a Crown casino function in Melbourne on Thursday night.

But he charged about $100,000 for his troubles - a speakers fee that included the cost of luxury hotel rooms and first-class airfares.

Fellow activist, World Vision CEO the Reverend Tim Costello, spoke for free. An event insider said the Geldof payments, which included the costs of a minder, appeared hypocritical

Appeared hypocritical?

Bedtime here, so good night and see you all again soon!

954 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:34:46am

re: #946 mama winger

This place is gold! Great advice!

955 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:34:57am

re: #853 tfc3rid

One would hope... Especially since in 2012, Congress will get to redesign their districts post-Census...

And, there aren't that many more seats for the GOP to seemingly lose...

The one party elections that the Soviets used to stage as a ritual of legitimization were more honest.

956 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:34:58am

re: #938 vxbush

re: #941 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's going to be interesting to watch Sarah Barracuda go after them in 2012.

I think she came in this time and surveilled the "room." She'll be back. This hoax with the fake reporter - sounds too well-timed to have been just 2 random guys.

957 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:35:04am

re: #945 realwest

"But the coffee takes away room for the chocolate. That's not acceptable."
ROTFL! Well see now, I never thought of that!

Don't worry. We'll get you trained yet on the ways of women and chocolate. In my case, however, the love of chocolate came from my father. It found its perfect expression in me.

/

958 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:35:12am

Gentlemen, after 10 yrs of marriage, I always have a secret choclate stash for the better half! That oughta be on that list too.

959 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:35:14am

re: #921 GGMac

Back in the years, I suffered 10 miscarriages. Each was the loss of a child, and each was - and is still mourned. I cannot fathom what the grief would be like with the added aspect of guilt.

Ten! God bless you. My first baby was still born (cord accident). I gave myself a couple of months, and then got pregnant again. My healthy daughter was born the next year. Bad thing was, I felt like I was pregnant for two years!

960 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:35:16am

re: #934 DistantThunder

I had 11 - never knew of anyone else in the double digits. But I do have 7 wonderful children - who do drive me a little crazy.

My heart goes out to you . . .

961 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:35:34am

DOW is back to normal, down 193

962 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:35:52am

re: #909 pingjockey
It may have been his time in the Special Forces (Green Berets) that made him that way.
Military usually doesn't go looking for boy scouts when they're looking for Seals, Special Forces, Marine Force Recon or Rangers, ya know?!

963 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:37:09am

re: #953 aussiemagpie

I think I read an interview with him and George Bush that actually sort of helped humanize Bush. I'm sure whatever magazine it was in treated Bush as a sort of space alien.
I think they spoke about Bush's help in Africa, and that maybe he wasn't ALL evil.

964 UFO TOFU  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:37:13am

re: #947 redstateredneck

I think Mr. Redstate is on to something there. I'm gonna have to try that one with Mrs. Tofu!

965 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:37:30am

re: #962 realwest

It may have been his time in the Special Forces (Green Berets) that made him that way.
Military usually doesn't go looking for boy scouts when they're looking for Seals, Special Forces, Marine Force Recon or Rangers, ya know?!

I don't know. I have a friend who was Special Forces. He is lethal, but he also has the biggest heart I know.

966 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:37:47am

re: #962 realwest

It may have been his time in the Special Forces (Green Berets) that made him that way.
Military usually doesn't go looking for boy scouts when they're looking for Seals, Special Forces, Marine Force Recon or Rangers, ya know?!

My son was offered a slot for special forces training after finishing SAR. His comment? No thanks I want a normal family.

967 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:37:52am

re: #921 GGMac

re: #934 DistantThunder

You are both incredibly strong women. I am humbled.

968 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:38:06am

re: #962 realwest
No but they do look for specific psych profiles. Gun nuts, explosive nuts, etc...are right out! They look for calm deliberate folks, usually. Or at least that is just from my personal experience. Of course I could be out to lunch too!

969 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:38:33am

re: #964 UFO TOFU

I think Mr. Redstate is on to something there. I'm gonna have to try that one with Mrs. Tofu!

I usually leave the house before he does, so I make the bed when I come home from work!

970 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:38:34am

re: #931 tfc3rid

But is that a good thing? We have seen FL trend blue, NC trend blue and even GA and SC close in on blue...

Sadly, a lot of places are trending blue, thanks to the brainwashing in the public schools.

971 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:38:46am

re: #918 mama winger

Yep. You don't mess with the Chicago Machine. evah

And now it moves to Washington. happy happy joy joy

Yeah, what a joy. As has been said before, in that very famous phrase, the Machine "don't want nobody that nobody sent". What it means is that they only want their own hand-picked people, not just any Tom, Dick, or Harry from off the street. It's a mafia mentality.

Chicago politics is all about clout; who knows who, and how they can leverage that. It will now infest the White House for the next four years.

972 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:38:50am

I'm reminded of that movie with Tommie Lee Jones and Benicio del Toro.

973 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:39:01am

I guess Obama is a basketball nut. What else is he and expert in?

974 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:39:15am

re: #954 Bumr50

This place is gold! Great advice!

I have learned so much over the years here, I can't even begin to tell ya. It's like a brainiac potluck. :)

975 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:39:18am

re: #790 Ward Cleaver

Minnesotans should be ashamed if they send Al Franken to Washington.

Why? they lost their shame years ago when they elected a pro wrestler for Governor..
/how's it going Ward?

976 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:39:23am

re: #921 GGMac

re: #934 DistantThunder

You are both incredibly strong women. I am humbled.
Yes, incredibly strong women! I'm honored to get to 'hang-out' with y'all, occasionally!

977 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:39:28am

re: #889 MandyManners

No. A 35-year-old member of US Special Forces. Fucking sociopath.

Which SF Group?

I knew an NCO from the 3rd SFG. He starts out as a perfectly cool and rational guy and then he turns around and joins the National Alliance after he retires from the Army. Losing a friend and mentor like that sucked.

978 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:39:33am

re: #966 Perplexed

My son was offered a slot for special forces training after finishing SAR. His comment? No thanks I want a normal family.

It turns some into great men and leaders, and others into psychos.

979 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:02am

re: #973 DistantThunder

I guess Obama is a basketball nut. What else is he and expert in?

Building pipe bombs?

980 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:15am

re: #970 Ward Cleaver

Sadly, a lot of places are trending blue, thanks to the brainwashing in the public schools.

And with liberals leaving the places they've f'd up & settling in traditionally red states.

981 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:18am

re: #894 vxbush

Hey vx, I got some chocolate if you need it :)

982 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:27am

re: #973 DistantThunder

I guess Obama is a basketball nut. What else is he and expert in?

Marxism, communism, Maoism, Stalinism, spending other people's money without accomplishing anything.

983 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:31am

re: #950 Perplexed

Hormones. Raging hormones. Opposite sex attraction. Doing something dangerous. Checking it out. Chasity belts don't work.

Instilling your values in them while praying for the best is about the best chances you have.

I intend to lock my daughters bedroom door when she turns 13 and leave it locked until she is about 30.

/kidding...sort of.

984 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:31am

re: #974 mama winger

I have learned so much over the years here, I can't even begin to tell ya. It's like a brainiac potluck. :)

And I don't have to bring a 'covered dish' - I get all I need right here!

985 midwestgak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:40:45am

re: #941 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's going to be interesting to watch Sarah Barracuda go after them in 2012.

She's going after them in 2010 too!

986 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:01am

re: #979 Ward Cleaver

Building pipe bombs?

Nah, he has 'friends' that do that

987 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:04am

re: #975 HoosierHoops

Why? they lost their shame years ago when they elected a pro wrestler for Governor..
/how's it going Ward?

I'm doing okay. Trying to get the kids ready for school in driving June nuts, though. Gotta work on that.

988 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:10am

re: #966 Perplexed

My son was offered a slot for special forces training after finishing SAR. His comment? No thanks I want a normal family.

Mine too.

He chose to be an Army Chaplain instead. Attack the enemy from kind of a different angle :)

989 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:11am

re: #953 aussiemagpie
Well hell aussie - ya know dope doesnt' come cheap these days - or so I'm told.

Fucking Colin Powell used to get $100,000 speaker's fee PLUS a private jet to take him to and from speaking engagements.
I listened to one of 'em, and he was VERY GOOD but not $100k good.

990 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:15am

re: #970 Ward Cleaver

Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we're bluer from both ends of the age spectrum. The older population is growing due to, well, time, and they all seem to think that a Republican vote equals less money for them.
The local Dems have done a splendid job of scaring them.
I'm reminded of the SNL spoof with Sam Waterston selling Robot Insurance.

991 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:35am

re: #868 christheprofessor

CTP!

I saw upthread that you found out that your dog is...

...an American :)

992 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:38am

re: #975 HoosierHoops

Why? they lost their shame years ago when they elected a pro wrestler for Governor..
/how's it going Ward?

If only one of our states would elect Carl Weathers governor, the entire cast of Predator could be governors.

993 fish  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:38am

I heard reports that "The One" is Considering Hillary Clinton as Sec. of State. I just want to say for the record that out of all the moonbats that share his world view that he could pick, Hillary scares me the least.

994 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:47am

re: #981 3 wood

Hey vx, I got some chocolate if you need it :)

Nope, I'm good. Chocolate from Switzerland, made from cacao beans from Cuba. Gift from the daughter.

995 UFO TOFU  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:48am

This is funny; a lesson in economics (okay, mismanagement probably plays a larger role, but still...): Nonprofit eatery can't bring home bacon

996 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:41:50am

re: #941 Who Watches the Watchmen?

It's going to be interesting to watch Sarah Barracuda go after them in 2012.

Her type of politician is the antidote to the Machine. They see what she did to the Alaska Good-Ole-Boy system, and know it can happen to them. Why do you think the attacks were most vicious toward her? They fear her reform-minded type of politician for it is an antibiotic to their infection.

997 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:02am

re: #978 Ward Cleaver

It turns some into great men and leaders, and others into psychos.

He was afraid of being turned into a psycho. He was and is, friends with many SEALS, but it wasn't for him.

998 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:03am
999 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:12am

re: #984 outsidephilly

And I don't have to bring a 'covered dish' - I get all I need right here!

Hahaha - you will need to provide the Lime Green Jello for next week's meeting tho. :)

1000 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:15am

re: #990 Bumr50

Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we're bluer from both ends of the age spectrum. The older population is growing due to, well, time, and they all seem to think that a Republican vote equals less money for them.
The local Dems have done a splendid job of scaring them.
I'm reminded of the SNL spoof with Sam Waterston selling Robot Insurance.

Sad. But on the other hand, GO STEELERS!

1001 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:24am

re: #982 Perplexed

A non-contact sport.

Watching his election reminded me of a Globetrotters-Generals game.

1002 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:27am

re: #1 Wyatt Earp

Here's a creepy fact from across the pond. UK Sperm Banks in Need of a Bailout. Eww.

I think I would be due a bonus payment . . .

1003 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:42:55am

re: #994 vxbush

Nope, I'm good. Chocolate from Switzerland, made from cacao beans from Cuba. Gift from the daughter.


Such a kind daughter . . .

1004 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:43:06am

re: #983 Ford_Prefect

I intend to lock my daughters bedroom door when she turns 13 and leave it locked until she is about 30.

/kidding...sort of.

Good luck with that.
/mother of two daughers
;-)

1005 mama winger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:43:11am

re: #996 Honorary Yooper

Her type of politician is the antidote to the Machine. They see what she did to the Alaska Good-Ole-Boy system, and know it can happen to them. Why do you think the attacks were most vicious toward her? They fear her reform-minded type of politician for it is an antibiotic to their infection.

ABSOLUTELY ! ! Bingo !

1006 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:43:20am

re: #1002 father_of_10

Don't forget to wear your rubbers!

1007 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:43:44am

Sigh, the rain has eased off a bit, so I'm off on my garbage bag toting journey.
BBIAW!

1008 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #990 Bumr50

Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we're bluer from both ends of the age spectrum. The older population is growing due to, well, time, and they all seem to think that a Republican vote equals less money for them.
The local Dems have done a splendid job of scaring them.
I'm reminded of the SNL spoof with Sam Waterston selling Robot Insurance.

Sad. But on the other hand, GO STEELERS!

Sad. But on the other hand, GO EAGLES!

1009 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:43:50am

re: #990 Bumr50

Around here (Pittsburgh, PA) we're bluer from both ends of the age spectrum. The older population is growing due to, well, time, and they all seem to think that a Republican vote equals less money for them.
The local Dems have done a splendid job of scaring them.
I'm reminded of the SNL spoof with Sam Waterston selling Robot Insurance.

LOL! "Robots need old people's medicine to survive. Because robots are scary & made of metal."

1010 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:44:04am

re: #993 fish

I heard reports that "The One" is Considering Hillary Clinton as Sec. of State. I just want to say for the record that out of all the moonbats that share his world view that he could pick, Hillary scares me the least.

I happen to agree with that. The man is liable to pick just about the worst we can imagine; and I can imagine lots worse than Hillary.

1011 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:44:04am

re: #1003 outsidephilly

Such a kind daughter . . .

Oh, she knows I need a plentiful supply, so she tries to help out. :D

1012 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:44:11am

re: #913 DistantThunder

I was born there - lived there till 12 - heard the stories from parents. The Democrat party is like a large ferocious territorial tribe. They do "honor killings" of careers and businesses. And more.

Good. Someone else who understands what I've been talking about.

In Chicago, you either submit to the Machine, or you move out. There is no 3rd way. That is why DuPage county (the next county west of Cook) is almost all republican.

Well, that machine is now going to Washington.

1013 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:44:29am

re: #995 UFO TOFU

This is funny; a lesson in economics (okay, mismanagement probably plays a larger role, but still...): Nonprofit eatery can't bring home bacon

One World Cafe, where patrons set prices, has had trouble paying employees

I'd call that mismanagement.

"Steak and eggs? I'll give you 50 cents."

1014 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:44:41am

Y'all have a great Friday/Saturday depending on your global time zone!

1015 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:44:58am

re: #983 Ford_Prefect

I intend to lock my daughters bedroom door when she turns 13 and leave it locked until she is about 30.

/kidding...sort of.

Ford, how did you behave when you were a teen? Trends follow in families.

1016 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:00am

re: #973 DistantThunder

I guess Obama is a basketball nut. What else is he and expert in?

Basketball nut? LOL
He is pretty good and plays the wing..nice shot..Not much of a lane man but he is skinny so understandable he doesn't want to bang under the boards.

1017 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:00am

re: #1012 3 wood

Good. Someone else who understands what I've been talking about.

In Chicago, you either submit to the Machine, or you move out. There is no 3rd way. That is why DuPage county (the next county west of Cook) is almost all republican.

Well, that machine is now going to Washington.

That must be the county with all the Walmarts.

1018 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:02am
1019 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:05am

re: #1011 vxbush

Oh, she knows I need a plentiful supply, so she tries to help out. :D

Its wonderful when a child really knows the parent!

1020 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:17am

re: #1001 Bumr50

A non-contact sport.

Watching his election reminded me of a Globetrotters-Generals game.

"They were using a freaking ladder!"

1021 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:18am

re: #982 Perplexed

Marxism, communism, Maoism, Stalinism, spending other people's money without accomplishing anything.

And the God-King thing.

Our motto is APOTHEOSIS NOW!

1022 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:24am

re: #1014 pingjockey

Y'all have a great Friday/Saturday depending on your global time zone!

Friday, here

1023 christheprofessor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:41am

#991 unclassifiable

Dude! How's my favorite unique human lima bean? (now that would be an interesting DNA composition...

1024 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:45:48am

re: #1016 HoosierHoops

Basketball nut? LOL
He is pretty good and plays the wing..nice shot..Not much of a lane man but he is skinny so understandable he doesn't want to bang under the boards.

As opposed to gun nut.

1025 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:46:17am

re: #1017 DistantThunder

That must be the county with all the Walmarts.

I think the machine came to philly

1026 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:46:19am

re: #774 Perplexed

You did good. Taking responsibility is tough, but the right thing to do.

1027 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:46:24am

re: #881 3 wood

Not to be pedantic, but the "fixer" was the machine.
In Chicago they control the courts, the legal system, the voting system, the media.

I hear you. I suppose it's amazing that the charge in this case was ever laid in the first place, or that the case ever got to Court.
Maybe the machine has a few squeaky cogs.
Hmm...Looking on the bright side, I wonder if there's enough room under the bus for the entire Chicago machine - we know BHO will try to dump them if it suits him.

1028 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:46:28am

re: #1016 HoosierHoops

Basketball nut? LOL
He is pretty good and plays the wing..nice shot..Not much of a lane man but he is skinny so understandable he doesn't want to bang under the boards.

I wish my basketball-raised husband would analyze Obama's playing style. He can decipher a lot about people based on how they play.

1029 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:46:43am

re: #1001 Bumr50

A non-contact sport.

Watching his election reminded me of a Globetrotters-Generals game.

Was like putting a pickup hockey team up against a team composed of banned (for excessive violence) professional hockey players.

1030 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:46:48am

re: #995 UFO TOFU

This is funny; a lesson in economics (okay, mismanagement probably plays a larger role, but still...): Nonprofit eatery can't bring home bacon


I think Rush was talking about that yesterday. I didn't hear the whole thing, but the gist of it sounded like it must have been that article.

1031 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:47:39am

re: #930 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I just remember my wife crying because she needed a chicken sandwich from Burger King.

Mine did the same thing in a White Hen cause they were out of ice cream drum sticks. She could not get enough of them with our 3rd child.

1032 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:47:40am

re: #1004 redstateredneck

Good luck with that.
/mother of two daughers
;-)

Father of 2 girls here. Both in college. My prescription for staying calm is to have my wife filter all information about my daughters that would upset me. Works pretty good.

1033 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:47:41am

Billy Ayers on Good Grief America right now.

1034 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:47:54am

re: #737 mama winger

Oh my G-D. A nightmare. What a SOB bastard.

1035 UFO TOFU  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:47:58am

re: #1013 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, a pretty stupid business model. But running a successful business requires constant vigilance; no evidence of that in the article.

1036 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:48:03am

re: #999 mama winger

Hahaha - you will need to provide the Lime Green Jello for next week's meeting tho. :)

With pears?

1037 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:48:05am

re: #1015 Perplexed

Ford, how did you behave when you were a teen? Trends follow in families.

I was actually a pretty good kid. My wife on the other hand... Although her mother was pretty much a non-entity in her life so I am sure that played a big role. That will not be a problem for our daughter.

1038 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:48:10am

re: #998 Iron Fist

Hey, man! Still among the livin'. Waiting for the other shoe to drop. I still can' tbelieve we elected that worthless motherfucker President, but it appears that we did. And not in the same way Al Franken is being "elected", either.


Some days you just want to slap the electorate.

Working on it. Go to my blog and hit the top link. I won't link it directly here.

1039 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:48:13am

re: #1028 vxbush

I wish my basketball-raised husband would analyze Obama's playing style. He can decipher a lot about people based on how they play.

I decipher a lot about people based on their actions, also!

1040 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:48:46am

re: #1026 WriterMom

You did good. Taking responsibility is tough, but the right thing to do.

He did some really stupid stuff that he knows I never approved of either. He found a good woman and his children, by the first are better for it.

1041 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:48:56am

re: #1031 3 wood

Mine did the same thing in a White Hen cause they were out of ice cream drum sticks. She could not get enough of them with our 3rd child.

Believe it or not, I had no cravings with my children. None. I almost did, but nothing that I couldn't handle. Very odd, considering my daily craving for chocolate now.

1042 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:49:05am

DOW now down 239

1043 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:49:06am

re: #1016 HoosierHoops

Basketball nut? LOL
He is pretty good and plays the wing..nice shot..Not much of a lane man but he is skinny so understandable he doesn't want to bang under the boards.

In other words he stays outside of the fray and let's other people do the bloody work? Hmm. I sense a trend.

1044 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:49:13am

re: #1032 Nevergiveup

Father of 2 girls here. Both in college. My prescription for staying calm is to have my wife filter all information about my daughters that would upset me. Works pretty good.

Ah, but you're missing all the 'stuff'!

1045 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:49:39am

re: #1032 Nevergiveup

Father of 2 girls here. Both in college. My prescription for staying calm is to have my wife filter all information about my daughters that would upset me. Works pretty good.

Y'all have NO IDEA. I have 6 daughters. Ages 24, 18, 13, 6, 6, and 4. I'm thinking about starting to drink. A man needs a hobby.

1046 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:07am

re: #1017 DistantThunder

Looks like DuPage went to Obama just slightly. I guess they "imported" some votes.

I live in Allegheny (SW PA) check out our state.

1047 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:09am

re: #1028 vxbush

I wish my basketball-raised husband would analyze Obama's playing style. He can decipher a lot about people based on how they play.

I'll bet Obama throws a lot of elbows.

1048 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:19am

re: #1033 VegasRick

Billy Ayers on Good Grief America right now.

. . . . , sheesh

1049 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:25am

re: #1044 outsidephilly

Ah, but you're missing all the 'stuff'!

Ignorance is bliss.

1050 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:39am

re: #1045 father_of_10

Y'all have NO IDEA. I have 6 daughters. Ages 24, 18, 13, 6, 6, and 4. I'm thinking about starting to drink. A man needs a hobby.

Might as well start getting interested in wedding planning as a hobby.

1051 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:41am

re: #1032 Nevergiveup

Father of 2 girls here. Both in college. My prescription for staying calm is to have my wife filter all information about my daughters that would upset me. Works pretty good.

That's pretty much the way the mr and I do it! He can't handle the drama.

1052 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:50:53am

re: #1047 Ward Cleaver

I'll bet Obama throws a lot of elbows.

No, that's Rahm Emmanuel.

1053 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:51:15am

re: #1028 vxbush

I wish my basketball-raised husband would analyze Obama's playing style. He can decipher a lot about people based on how they play.

I've read alot about his play on ESPN.. He is not a passer or an assist guy..likes to shoot too much..

1054 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:51:22am

re: #1043 Ford_Prefect

Reggie Miller?

1055 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:51:44am

re: #1052 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No, that's Rahm Emmanuel.

True. Obama probably walks a lot.

1056 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:51:48am

re: #1045 father_of_10

Y'all have NO IDEA. I have 6 daughters. Ages 24, 18, 13, 6, 6, and 4. I'm thinking about starting to drink. A man needs a hobby.

Shit I already drink. And I always make it a habit to meet my daughters "boyfriends" in Uniform.

1057 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:51:56am

re: #1048 outsidephilly

. . . . , sheesh

He is a scumbag. And Ayers is even worse.

1058 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:52:15am

re: #1045 father_of_10

Y'all have NO IDEA. I have 6 daughters. Ages 24, 18, 13, 6, 6, and 4. I'm thinking about starting to drink. A man needs a hobby.

It sounds to me like you need to stop drinking. :-)

1059 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:52:16am

re: #1055 Ward Cleaver

True. Obama probably walks a lot.

We know he travels a lot.

1060 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:52:20am

re: #1050 Perplexed

Might as well start getting interested in wedding planning as a hobby.

That, and preparing to rob jewelry stores to fund the weddings.

1061 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:52:24am

re: #1053 HoosierHoops

I've read alot about his play on ESPN.. He is not a passer or an assist guy..likes to shoot too much..

Ball hog.

1062 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:52:44am

re: #1050 Perplexed

Might as well start getting interested in wedding planning as a hobby.

Only one out of 10 married. My oldest is married to the Corps, but that doesn't really count. As far as weddings, I think I'll give the girl a wad of cash and tell her to elope.

1063 fish  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:52:54am

re: #1045 father_of_10

Y'all have NO IDEA. I have 6 daughters. Ages 24, 18, 13, 6, 6, and 4. I'm thinking about starting to drink. A man needs a hobby.

That many kids, Sounds like you already HAVE a hobby what you need is a different one.

1064 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:53:04am

re: #1061 redstateredneck

Ball hog.

That would make sense...

1065 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:53:18am

re: #1033 VegasRick

Billy Ayers on Good Grief America right now.

This guy is just getting more mainstream. Pisses me off.

1066 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:53:19am

re: #1057 VegasRick

He is a scumbag. And Ayers is even worse.

Sitting in the same room with the likes of him - UGH

1067 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:53:28am

re: #1053 HoosierHoops

I've read alot about his play on ESPN.. He is not a passer or an assist guy..likes to shoot too much..

There's a shocker./

1068 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:54:31am

re: #1067 Ford_Prefect

All for the glory of O. Not a team player.

1069 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:54:33am

re: #1010 father_of_10

Exactly. When I heard he was considering Hillary, my first reaction was, "But she has no diplomatic experience" ...and then I thought, hey, maybe that's an advantage? She hasn't been drunk the State Department water...

The other name on offer was John Kerry, a dull witted walking toothache of a man. No thanks. Hillary is smart and less of a leftist than Obama. That's good for something.

1070 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:54:34am

Meanwhile in Seattle Nudity is allowed in city parks, but in spite of state laws legally carried firearms are not.

1071 UFO TOFU  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:55:03am

re: #1045 father_of_10

You didn't have television?

1072 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:55:13am

re: #1062 father_of_10

Only one out of 10 married. My oldest is married to the Corps, but that doesn't really count. As far as weddings, I think I'll give the girl a wad of cash and tell her to elope.

When my sister was planning her wedding, during a moment of frustration she said that they should just elope. My father practically jumped out of his chair to pull out his wallet.

1073 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:55:31am

re: #1027 Spare O'Lake

I hear you. I suppose it's amazing that the charge in this case was ever laid in the first place, or that the case ever got to Court.
Maybe the machine has a few squeaky cogs.
Hmm...Looking on the bright side, I wonder if there's enough room under the bus for the entire Chicago machine - we know BHO will try to dump them if it suits him.

My guess is the cop did not know who this was.

Probably got an education the next day when the Machine started making phone calls around City Hall.

We are in for a very bumpy 4 years.

1074 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:56:16am

re: #1069 Kenneth

Exactly. When I heard he was considering Hillary, my first reaction was, "But she has no diplomatic experience" ...and then I thought, hey, maybe that's an advantage? She hasn't been drunk the State Department water...

The other name on offer was John Kerry, a dull witted walking toothache of a man. No thanks. Hillary is smart and less of a leftist than Obama. That's good for something.

He's trying to defang Hillary. With her out of the senate she loses a whole lot of power. Harder for her to get reelected once she walks away from the job.

1075 The Hoopster  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:56:18am

re: #1067 Ford_Prefect

There's a shocker./


Do you think the secret service would shoot you if you made a hard pick on him and knocked em on his ass?
Last game I'd probably get to play with him...But lawdy the stories you could tell the grand kids.

1076 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:56:20am

re: #1070 jcm

Meanwhile in Seattle Nudity is allowed in city parks, but in spite of state laws legally carried firearms are not.

yeah, well how could you carry a concealed weapon if you are nude anyway?

///Geesh, you gun-nuts are sooo stupid!

1077 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:56:28am

re: #1073 3 wood

My guess is the cop did not know who this was.

Probably got an education the next day when the Machine started making phone calls around City Hall.

We are in for a very bumpy 4 years.

Look on the bright side...
The bumps are free...
/

1078 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:56:41am

bbiab

1079 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:57:17am

re: #1076 Kenneth

yeah, well how could you carry a concealed weapon if you are nude anyway?

///Geesh, you gun-nuts are sooo stupid!

ROFLMAO!... you owe me a keyboard, this one is covered in coffee...

1080 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:57:21am

Brother, Tomcat is slow on this machine I'm working on.

/geek frustration

1081 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:57:36am

re: #1074 Perplexed

Oh yes. She's being kicked upstairs. If she screws up, and eventually every Sec of State takes the fall, her chances of running for Pres are over.

1082 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:57:51am

re: #1070 jcm

Meanwhile in Seattle Nudity is allowed in city parks, but in spite of state laws legally carried firearms are not.

From the link:

But Thursday night, the city's parks board refused to ban non-offensive public nudity despite some complaints from the public.

I think the level of offense depends on the individual body.

1083 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:58:16am

re: #1079 jcm

; p

1084 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:58:19am
1085 fish  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:58:37am

re: #1033 VegasRick

Billy Ayers on Good Grief America right now.

Would someone please explain to me the difference between serving on a board with this POS and going over to his house, And say Serving on a board and visting Osama Bin Laden's house? Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols?

1086 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:58:52am

re: #1075 HoosierHoops

Do you think the secret service would shoot you if you made a hard pick on him and knocked em on his ass?
Last game I'd probably get to play with him...But lawdy the stories you could tell the grand kids.

Racist!
/

1087 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:58:54am

re: #1070 jcm

Meanwhile in Seattle Nudity is allowed in city parks, but in spite of state laws legally carried firearms are not.

Where would you conceal the firearm?

1088 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:59:43am
1089 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 7:59:43am

re: #1085 fish

Would someone please explain to me the difference between serving on a board with this POS and going over to his house, And say Serving on a board and visting Osama Bin Laden's house? Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols?

Double standards. We're liberals and know what is best for you and yours. VS Take personal responsibility for your actions and character counts.

1090 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:00:03am

re: #1085 fish

Would someone please explain to me the difference between serving on a board with this POS and going over to his house, And say Serving on a board and visting Osama Bin Laden's house? Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols?

The One will not be questioned.
That's the difference.

1091 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:00:09am

re: #999 mama winger

Hahaha - you will need to provide the Lime Green Jello for next week's meeting tho. :)

Lime Green Jello, okay - hope I don't screw it up!

1092 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:00:53am

re: #1082 Ford_Prefect

I think the level of offense depends on the individual body.

Usually the people who want to get nekkid in public aren't the ones whom anyone one wants to see nekkid in public.

1093 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:00:54am

re: #1085 fish

People have either forgotten or have existences that are so self-centered that they don't care.

Sorry to be a buzzkill.

1094 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:01:13am

re: #1085 fish

Would someone please explain to me the difference between serving on a board with this POS and going over to his house, And say Serving on a board and visting Osama Bin Laden's house? Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols?

But he is a professor, so he must be OK.
/

1095 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:01:47am

re: #1088 Iron Fist

Something about cleanliness...

1096 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:02:26am
1097 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:02:33am

Whoa, forgot that soaking wet leaves on concrete have a disturbingly familar feel of ICE. LOL!
Speaking of joyous news(?):

FDIC says plan could help 1.5 million keep homes

WASHINGTON - The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. says a new plan could help 1.5 million American households avoid foreclosure.

The agency released details Friday of a revised plan to have the government spend $24.4 billion to guarantee 2.2 million modified loans through the end of next year.

The FDIC says that the government's backing will make the lending industry more willing to modify loans because taxpayers will absorb half of the losses if the borrower defaults again.
Even if a third of those borrowers default again, 1.5 million homes will still be saved.

[emphasis added, realwest]
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]
So let me see if I have this right - this is a ONE YEAR PLAN and it will make lenders willing to modify the loans because if a third or more of the defaulted borrowers default again, we'll the Government will bail 'em out?!
Say hey Congress, how's about tying that FDIC plan to an abolition of the CRA, hmmm? Cause we all know if you don't, at the end of next year the FDIC will come up with another, bigger and more expensive plan - for a year. And so forth and so on.
Do we DELIBERATELY send the least bright and worst to Washington to figure these things out or what?

1098 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:03:10am

re: #932 mama winger

Oh my dear - I can't imagine that kind of grief. {GGMac}

Thanks, mama. I believe you are able to understand what I mean when I say that each of those wee souls will be there on my Easter Day, and for that I rejoice.

1099 joncelli  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:03:12am

re: #871 MandyManners

Boys are insanely innovative when it comes to sex. Chores, not so much.

1100 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:03:31am

bbiab, I mean it this time!

1101 Tigger2005  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:03:46am

Was just checking out the "Anti-Museum" post. Y'know, of all the insane claims made by the creationists, I think the "all of society's current problems can be traced to the theory of evolution" is the craziest and most bizarre. It's so blatantly false, and contradicts the creationists' own belief that evil came into the world shortly after the Creation. The Bible covers all sorts of human sins and evils, and creationists are fond of saying "we haven't changed since then." Yet at the same time they will argue that if it just wasn't for that bad old evolution nonsense, things like the Nazis and Columbine wouldn't happen.

If you pushed them on this, they'd probably say something like, "Well, we just mean that people were a lot more moral before evolution came along." As if before then everyone lived like the Amish in "Witness." Have these people never cracked open a history book other than the Bible?

1102 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:03:55am

Time for real work. See y'all later.

1103 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:04:52am

re: #623 Kenneth

{kenneth}

1104 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:05:07am

re: #1101 Tigger2005

I soliciting funds for a "Turtles All the Way Down" museum!
Care to donate?

1105 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:06:18am

re: #1104 jcm

I soliciting funds for a "Turtles All the Way Down" museum!
Care to donate?

I'll shell out some cash for that!

1106 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:06:51am

re: #1101 Tigger2005

Have these people never cracked open a history book other than the Bible?

Only the ones that don't challenge their beliefs.

1107 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:07:02am

An optimists view...

The choice for Obama lies on the road to Jerusalem

For their part, the Palestinians remain divided in spite of the best efforts of Egyptian mediation. Hamas has so far refused to offer the recognition of Israel demanded by the international community. In the absence of a committed interlocutor on the Israeli side, it is hard to see what would prompt Fatah and Hamas to settle their differences.

So why should Mr Obama risk his reputation in such a cause? The answer comes in several parts.

The early years of his presidency will be his best, and quite possibly the last, chance to broker a two-state solution. Facts on the ground – demography, the West Bank barrier, Israeli settlements across swaths of the West Bank, Palestinian radicalism in Gaza – are steadily undermining the bargain that would give Israel security and the Palestinians a state.

For all the formidable obstacles to an agreement, Mr Obama’s heritage and the nature of his victory has bestowed as much authority among Israelis, Palestinians and in the wider Arab world as any US president can ever expect. This precious political capital will diminish over time.

A serious and even-handed effort to promote peace between Israel and the Palestinians would disarm the most serious charge against US policy in the region: that everything it does is rooted in double standards.

A deal would not settle all the problems and conflicts. Nor, of itself, would it repair the relationship between the west and much of the Islamic world. Al-Qaeda and its affiliates would find plenty of other reasons to attack America. Yet the creation of a Palestinian state would change profoundly the dynamics of the Middle East. It would make possible much that now seems beyond all reasonable reach.

Brokering such an accord would be tough and thankless. Mr Obama might well fail in the attempt. But there lies the existential choice for Mr Bush’s successor. Does he want to patch things up? Or does he want to redraw the strategic map of the Middle East and thereby set a new direction for America’s role in the world? That, in the final analysis, is what will mark out the difference between a competent and a transformational presidency.

...meets pessimistic reality. Hamas will not renounce terrorism or accept Israel's right to exist. Fatah and Hamas will not co-operate. Israelis will not elect a government committed to the failed illusion of "land for peace", A two state solution will not satisfy the radical Islamists. Obama will fail to win a negotiated peace between Israel and the various factions of the Muslim world.

And meanwhile, Iran will continue to develop nuclear weapons unless & until they are forcefully confronted & stopped.

1108 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:07:12am
1109 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:07:26am

re: #934 DistantThunder

I had 11 - never knew of anyone else in the double digits. But I do have 7 wonderful children - who do drive me a little crazy.


A kindred spirit you are. And like you, I've also had the joy of raising 5 - and the added joy of 8 grands, and 4 g-grands.

1110 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:07:34am

re: #1088 Iron Fist

Yeah, I bet it fires blanks.

1111 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:08:15am

re: #995 UFO TOFU

This is funny; a lesson in economics (okay, mismanagement probably plays a larger role, but still...): Nonprofit eatery can't bring home bacon

The phrase "well-meaning but misguided" comes to mind.

In Chicago, a similar experiment was tried: Some well-meaning folks tried to give "homeless" people a job by printing a shitty newspaper (which the "homeless" had to pay for), and having the "homeless" resell it for a dollar. So instead of being harassed by smelly bums begging for money when you walked downtown, you'd be harassed by smelly bums trying to sell you that shitty paper. (And if you stop to think about it, it's still begging: Why else would anyone pay a dollar for a shitty rag, when far superior newspapers cost 50 cents?)

1112 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:08:49am

re: #1101 Tigger2005

I think that the problem with evolution and Christians is that evolution drops humans to the level of animals and that we're no better or worse for that drop. This denies the divinity of creation.

1113 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:08:51am

This is cool: India's lunar probe landed on the moon successfully. Congrats. That's a big step.

1114 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:09:00am

re: #1103 WriterMom

{same to you!}

1115 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:09:02am

re: #1110 Kenneth

Yeah, I bet it fires blanks.

Which one?

1116 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:09:27am

re: #1096 Iron Fist

They want us to accept him. After all, it is a good thing to bomb the cops and the Pentagon if you are bombing them for the right Left reason.

accept him. hmmm. NOPE. what a tool. I am so frustrated at the misinformation that the MFM is spreading. They have lost all credibility. I won't even watch local news here anymore because they are just MSNBC lite.

1117 Yashmak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:09:52am

re: #1101 Tigger2005

Was just checking out the "Anti-Museum" post. Y'know, of all the insane claims made by the creationists, I think the "all of society's current problems can be traced to the theory of evolution" is the craziest and most bizarre. It's so blatantly false, and contradicts the creationists' own belief that evil came into the world shortly after the Creation.

I hadn't heard that one. You're right, it's as bizaare as Biden's gaffe that it's because of Bush that Hezbollah is in Lebanon.

1118 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:11:30am

re: #1107 Kenneth

A realists' view is something quite different. A realist would point out that the Palestinians have never waivered from their one-state approach. Destroy Israel over the long term, and even in the short term. The terrorists of Hamas are dedicated to Israel's destruction just as surely that the Fatah thugs are; except the Fatah thugs have been waylaid by the corruption and money thrown the PA's way to "paper over" the differences. Hamas won the popularity contest in part because Fatah was more corrupt and Hamas claimed they'd clean things up.

Hamas has cleaned things up by destroying everything in sight, especially the Palestinian economy in Gaza. They have no one's fault but their own for that situation after turning an opportunity to develop an economy into a terrorists' safe haven and wet dream.

1119 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:11:35am

We need a new thread, I'm hoping for an ID/EVO theme.
/

1120 freedombilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:11:37am

I saw the interview live this morning and still every time I see a clip of Ayers from this morning I throw up.

1121 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:11:37am
1122 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:11:43am

re: #1111 David Simon

GUILT.

LOL. You seriously are inhabitting a part of my brain, mister.

HAHAHHAAHHA

1123 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:11:51am

Okay, work calls. Later, lizards. I'll try to lurk for a bit.

1124 firedupengineer  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:12:08am

"Facts" to the MSM and the far left are meaningless. What is important is meeting agenda objectives (such as electing The One). If it means creating, distorting, or ignoring 'facts' to meet those objectives then so be it.

Hmmm...actually, that 'seems' to be their primary method used toward achieving agenda objectives...

1125 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:12:38am

re: #1117 Yashmak

I hadn't heard that one. You're right, it's as bizaare as Biden's gaffe that it's because of Bush that Hezbollah is in Lebanon.

Oh it was worse than that. He said that France and the US kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon.

1126 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:12:40am

Gotta run...

1127 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:12:41am

re: #1116 bellamags

Bill Ayers is NOTHING without the protest. If we lived somehow happily under socialism, he'd be a staunch capitalist.
I'm convinced.
He just has that loser feel about him. He's the trenchcoat mafia with slightly more intelligence and much less authentic conviction.
What a piece of fecal matter.

1128 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:13:58am

re: #1070 jcm Hey JCM - I understand your focus on the gun aspect, but you mighta slid on by a very wittily written article:
Nude events will therefore likely continue in the future, although perhaps under tighter scrutiny.

The parks board decided that to limit nudists would be to single them out. If nudists follow the rules, they can continue to use the parks.

Naked bike rides are a Seattle tradition. In Seattle it's illegal to flash someone, but perfectly legal to run around nude and police officers take action only if a nudist is lewd or obscene.

"The bare facts of the law are that if you knowingly show yourself naked with the intent to alarm and offend people that's illegal, said Sergeant Sean Whitcom, of the Seattle Police Department. "Just being nude is not against the law."

The city issues permits for a variety of naked events.

"We've issued permits for picnics, for indoor pool rentals and for bike rides," spokesperson Joelle Ligon said.

It's a touchy topic. The police chief even wrote a letter explaining to citizens that his officers can intervene only if a nudist engages in conduct that's likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm.

That line was apparently crossed in July when motorists got an eyeful of nude cyclists hanging out at Dexter and Mercer. And Seattle Center visitors saw others skinny dipping in the Seattle Center fountain.

A number of organized, naked bike rides have prompted the parks department to crack down on nudity.
One family holding a birthday party for a 9-year-old says the boys were suddenly surrounded by middle-aged men wearing nothing but their birthday suits.

The ban would only apply to nudity in parks and beaches. People could still book public pools after hours for nude swims, and naked bike rides would be allowed as long as people keep moving and don't stop or hold picnics in the parks.

The parks board agreed to closely monitor the permitting process and said in the future it may consider establishing a clothing-optional beach.
[emphasis added, realwest]

1129 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:14:25am

re: #1127 Bumr50

I disagree. I think if we were socialist, he'd push for communism. He's a leftist all the way down.

1130 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:14:27am

re: #1122 WriterMom

GUILT.

LOL. You seriously are inhabitting a part of my brain, mister.

HAHAHHAAHHA

One could be forgiven for thinking that we're each other's sock puppets. I'm waiting for the day that I start to write a comment, and you end up finishing it.

1131 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:14:31am

re: #1127 Bumr50

His biggest nightmare would be if everyone agreed with him.

1132 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:14:32am

re: #1096 Iron Fist

Iron Fist - this is what I have decided on. This is the rifle my dad used in the Marines and he said he could teach me easily to shoot accurately with this.

Springfield

1133 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:15:07am

re: #1073 3 wood

My guess is the cop did not know who this was.
Probably got an education the next day when the Machine started making phone calls around City Hall.
We are in for a very bumpy 4 years.

Idea for Movie Script:
POTUS gets heat from Congress about his past ties to the Chicago machine.
POTUS decides to throw the entire machine under the bus.
The machine decides to knock him off.
The secret service and the machine fight it out all over DC with old cars and machine guns. The machine gets wiped out.
POTUS ages noticeably throughout the film but survives with only a non-life-threatening wound to his buttocks.
In closing scene POTUS is lying bare-assed on a gurney hollering in pain while an elderly GOP doctor indelicately digs in to find the bullet.

1134 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:15:44am

re: #1130 David Simon

Would you like to be my honourary sibling? You can come to all my family events and help me terrorize my leftist family...I can't wait for the next one...I'll bring my PALIN 2012 t-shirt.

1135 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:16:08am

re: #1118 lawhawk

Yeah, but you just wait till the Palis get a load of Obama's ingenious "hopey-change" talk. That'll straighten them out. No problemo, baby.

1136 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:16:16am

re: #1097 realwest

It's like that woman who after the Obam rally said, I never have to worry about paying my mortgage again...

People now will feel that they can get away with anything... Still spend more than their means...

1137 fish  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:16:17am

re: #1101 Tigger2005

Was just checking out the "Anti-Museum" post. Y'know, of all the insane claims made by the creationists, I think the "all of society's current problems can be traced to the theory of evolution" is the craziest and most bizarre. It's so blatantly false, and contradicts the creationists' own belief that evil came into the world shortly after the Creation. The Bible covers all sorts of human sins and evils, and creationists are fond of saying "we haven't changed since then." Yet at the same time they will argue that if it just wasn't for that bad old evolution nonsense, things like the Nazis and Columbine wouldn't happen.

If you pushed them on this, they'd probably say something like, "Well, we just mean that people were a lot more moral before evolution came along." As if before then everyone lived like the Amish in "Witness." Have these people never cracked open a history book other than the Bible?

Actually even the Bible has a fairly large chunck of human misery and people doing bad things to each other.

I would like to go on record saying that I believe these so called "creationists" are actually trying to minimize religion and faith by making it seem absurd and foolish. So that when someone tries to have a reasonable discussion, trying to debate the parts of the history of the world that is not fully explained by either Scientific or Biblical means; that person can be called a "Creationist Wacko" and discounted.

1138 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:17:09am

re: #1127 Bumr50

Bill Ayers is NOTHING without the protest. If we lived somehow happily under socialism, he'd be a staunch capitalist.
I'm convinced.
He just has that loser feel about him. He's the trenchcoat mafia with slightly more intelligence and much less authentic conviction.
What a piece of fecal matter.

You are right. He is one of those "against the grain" types. He is educated way beyond his intelligence.

1139 Yashmak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:17:50am
One family holding a birthday party for a 9-year-old says the boys were suddenly surrounded by middle-aged men wearing nothing but their birthday suits.

They came dressed for the occasion!

1140 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:17:51am
1141 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:18:52am

re: #1134 WriterMom

Would you like to be my honourary sibling? You can come to all my family events and help me terrorize my leftist family...I can't wait for the next one...I'll bring my PALIN 2012 t-shirt.

What fun we could have. I'm literally the only conservative in my extended family. The rest of my family ranges from "reasonable liberal" to "stark-raving moonbat" (with the overwhelming majority being the latter).

1142 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:19:04am

re: #1140 buzzsawmonkey

The best solution for homelessness is homes, but there is a vested interest on the part of the homeless industry to keep people in temporary situations.

1143 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:19:10am

re: #1129 lawhawk

I disagree. I think if we were socialist, he'd push for communism. He's a leftist all the way down.

And he is smart because he's running his revolution through the education system, thus poisoning the minds of the youth...

Went on vacation last week with the gf's brother and sister. On election day we did talk about it and it was astounding what they though was true about Palin and McCain and what they would do... The borther voted absentee in WI for Obama, her sister did not vote...

1144 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:19:36am

re: #1140 buzzsawmonkey

some of your posts push my line of thinking into the scary category. : )

1145 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:19:40am

The City of Golden decided not to allow a menorah to be included in a city sponsored "winter holiday" display.

(Headline) Golden council OKs Santa but not a menorah (Denver Post, Fri. 11-14-2008 online)

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

... so, here is my opinion sent to the city this morning.

"I have no religious dog in this fight, since I do not support any organized religion or spiritual/supernatural assembly of any sort.

But this decision on the part of Golden's City Council is extremely hypocritical. If the City is going to decorate ANY foliage, using taxpayers money, then they are supporting the RELIGIOUS aspect of this holiday season.

Decorated foliage (oak trees, fir tress, logs, bushes, boughs) was traditional with the pagan Germanic tribes. In the 16th century, these practices were transferred and adopted by Christians, to celebrate the birth of Christ. Even something seemingly non-religious as a stocking filled with gift items stem directly from these Germanic traditions and borrowed by believers to represent the gift giving of the Magi's.

These are undisputable facts. The City Council can go down the list of items that the Supreme Court as deemed "secular," but no court of law can change history. Not unless the City of Golden has purchased some "memory holes," as described in the book "1984," to erased history.

If the City Council decorates any tree, bush, bough, log with lights, a ham, a goat, a stocking, stars, apples, nuts, dates, paper flowers, pretzels, cheese, candles, sugar ornaments, candy canes, tin star and places these item in a public place or on public property, than they are continuing a Christmas tradition that is over 400 years old.

So, my suggestion would be to request that the City of Golden remove any city displays placed in or around Lions Park, South Golden Road, Washington Ave, or any other place that City employees have erected anything that falls under the category of Christmas or winter holiday decoration.

Or, a more honest, truthful and intelligent approach would be to allow individuals or groups to place holiday symbols on designated public property, at no cost to the city. And for the hand wringing and teeth gnashing city lawyers, hey, consider it job security. You'll have something new to jam up the courts with."

1146 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:20:35am

re: #1142 WriterMom

The best solution for homelessness is homes, but there is a vested interest on the part of the homeless industry to keep people in temporary situations.

Ever notice how the number of homeless drops whenever the democrats are in office and how the number skyrockets the day conservatives take office?

1147 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:20:51am

re: #1143 tfc3rid

And he is smart because he's running his revolution through the education system, thus poisoning the minds of the youth...

Went on vacation last week with the gf's brother and sister. On election day we did talk about it and it was astounding what they though was true about Palin and McCain and what they would do... The borther voted absentee in WI for Obama, her sister did not vote...

The liberals have defeated conservatism in that area. We need to fight back.

1148 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:20:52am

re: #1141 David Simon

Geez-I think we really might be related. Mine goes from "unhinged lunatic humourless left" to "totally uninformed but knee-jerk liberal".

We should probably determine if our parents had any test-tube babies...

1149 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:21:42am

re: #952 outsidephilly

I'm so sorry for you . . .

I appreciate your thoughtfulness, and thank you. As I said a bit ago to mama winger, joy will come on my Easter Day when I will hold them all in my arms.

As you can suppose, the 5 children who survived are dearly cherished.

1150 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:21:56am

re: #1147 bellamags

The liberals have defeated conservatism in that area. We need to fight back.

It might be too late in that respect... Conservatism starts at home now...

1151 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:22:18am

re: #1135 Kenneth

Yeah, but you just wait till the Palis get a load of Obama's ingenious "hopey-change" talk. That'll straighten them out. No problemo, baby.

/Bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Antique even. Great price. Good condition.

1152 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:22:39am

Karma: Canadian Taliban Supporter Kidnapped, Presumably by Taliban

Canadian Beverly Giesbrecht, who goes by the name Khadija Abdul Qahaar and who runs the Jihad Unspun website, has been kidnapped in Pakistan. She was in Pakistan making a documentary sympathetic to the Taliban.

In each and every case of a kidnapping I've publicly supported the hostage, regardless of political stances. Hostage taking is barbaric, inhumane, and a sign that the enemies we fight are, in fact, very different than us.

Perhaps I'm speaking out of anger, but in this case I offer no such support. Jihad Unspun is a cesspool of propaganda on behalf of the Taliban, of al Qaeda, and of other "resistance" movements which are at open war with the United States of America, Canada --Giesbrecht's country --, and Western civilization. She is an enemy living in our midst and abusing our tolerance for free speech.

She is a modern Goebbels. As in the case of all of our enemies, I wish her only ill will. She's a mother, you might object. She does charity work, you might object. Goebbels was a decent father, I hear. He also threw fabulous parties. That didn't make him any less our enemy.

It couldn't have happened to a nasty person. Karma is a bitch, bitch!

1153 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:22:52am

re: #921 GGMac

I've been there, too. One never forgets.

{GGMac}

1154 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:23:00am

Ouch!

[Link: zod2008.com...]

1155 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:23:31am

re: #1152 Kenneth

Karma is a bitch, bitch!

OMG. I am LOVING that statement!

HAHAHHAHAHA

1156 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:24:02am

re: #1140 buzzsawmonkey

I do not believe the people who produced what in New York was called "Street News"--the Chicago paper had a similar, but slightly different, name--were "trying to give homeless people a job."

Rather, they were trying to keep the "homeless issue" in people's faces, while preserving the group identity of "the homeless" (which was the power base of "homeless advocates") under the guise of giving them a job.

I've taken them at their word, but you make a fair point: We really don't know the true motivation of the people behind the bad idea. I wouldn't say you're being cynical.

1157 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:24:24am

re: #1023 christheprofessor

Recovering from the election.

Sorry for the tardy response. A work related "thing" trashed my connection.

Apparently it ain't all about the DNA .

I seem to remember a while back that Dolly the sheep was showing signs that cloning retained some of the "old cell" characteristics even though her genes where identical to her progenitor (amazing the way things like this torture the language).

Anyway the idea was that there was now components generally labeled "genetic expression". From the looks of things in the downstairs thread the genetic scientist are just getting a handle of the mechanics of that phenomenon.

It sort of reminds me of what happened to physics when they started finding all sorts of exotic particles coming out of the accelerators.

Otherwise the human/lima bean genetic slice is still holding in it's own unique way :)

1158 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:24:42am

re: #1119 VegasRick

We need a new thread, I'm hoping for an ID/EVO theme.
/

Let's throw in abortion and Terry Schiavo for good measure.

1159 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:24:53am

re: #1150 tfc3rid

And so should school, if at all possible.

Maybe combined home-schools for working parents?

1160 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:25:01am

re: #1113 lawhawk

This is cool: India's lunar probe landed on the moon successfully. Congrats. That's a big step.

The lunar probe radioed back to mission control, was put on hold for 10 minutes, and was finally answered by someone with a heavy accent identifying herself as Cathy.

1161 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:25:03am

re: #1156 David Simon

I've taken them at their word, but you make a fair point: We really don't know the true motivation of the people behind the bad idea. I wouldn't say you're being cynical.

I would think they want to feel good about themselves without actually doing something good.

1162 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:25:31am

re: #1158 redstateredneck

Don't forget Pope Pius and Mel Gibson!
/

1163 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:25:44am

re: #1150 tfc3rid

It might be too late in that respect... Conservatism starts at home now...

There are a lot of smart kids that don't stand a chance because their parents simply don't care. They need guidance early, and for some, school is the only place they get it. That is what the liberals count on - no parenting. I agree conservatism starts at home, but we need to figure a way to even the playing field when it comes to the public school system.

1164 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:25:59am

re: #1132 bellamags
Huh. Did all my basic training and Advanced Infantry Training with an M-14 - and I LOVED that rifle when used for aimed fire. Full auto, however, NO ONE in my company could hit a target to save their lives - though I was the worst.
Safest place to be when Realwest fired his M-14 on full auto? Right in front of the target! LOL!

1165 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:26:37am

re: #975 HoosierHoops

Why? they lost their shame years ago when they elected a pro wrestler for Governor..
/how's it going Ward?


Hey they elected a dude named Ellison who refused to swear on the Bible.

The ironc thing was that the fool swore on Thomas Jefferson's Koran (Jefferson got himself when our nation to better understand Islam when our nation had to fight the Barbary Pirates).

1166 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:27:23am

I happen to believe that there is some merit in the dragons of lore being the last dinosaurs (or at least some big ass lizards).

That doesn't mean I think they were on Noah's Ark, but I've always found it interesting that "dragon" myths are found in different cultures all over the world.

Please don't stone me.

With stones...HAHAHAHAHA!

1167 VegasRick  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:27:28am

re: #1162 WriterMom

Don't forget Pope Pius and Mel Gibson!
/

Flamewar!

1168 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:28:17am
1169 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:28:18am

re: #1152 Kenneth

Karma: Canadian Taliban Supporter Kidnapped, Presumably by Taliban

It couldn't have happened to a nasty person. Karma is a bitch, bitch!

As you sow, so shall you reap.

1170 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:28:59am

re: #1136 tfc3rid
Hey there my friend! "Still spend more than their means" but only because they are so gosh darned
ENTITLED.Just sheer stupidity - on the part of the politicians and the regulatory idiots.

1171 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:29:15am

re: #1161 The Other Les

I would think they want to feel good about themselves without actually doing something good.

Maybe, but then why do anything? Isn't that the lure of Barack Obama and the promised expansion of government: You can feel good about yourself without having to lift a finger to do anything?

1172 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:29:36am

re: #1164 realwest

Huh. Did all my basic training and Advanced Infantry Training with an M-14 - and I LOVED that rifle when used for aimed fire. Full auto, however, NO ONE in my company could hit a target to save their lives - though I was the worst.
Safest place to be when Realwest fired his M-14 on full auto? Right in front of the target! LOL!

He said he could hit anything with that rifle. I have seen him shoot before and its kinda freaky. He is really good. I am good with a 9mm and a 22mag but I have never shot a rifle. He was a sharp shooter in the Marines so I will trust his judgment.

1173 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:29:59am

re: #1152 Kenneth

Karma: Canadian Taliban Supporter Kidnapped, Presumably by Taliban


It couldn't have happened to a nasty person. Karma is a bitch, bitch!

Love it.

1174 opnion  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:30:39am

Good morning lizards.
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that in the MN. Senator race two heavy Democrat Counties, Henipin being one have reported over 25,000 ballaots with the office of president voted for, but no Senate vote.
When they finish this, it will probably be bad news for Norm Coleman.

1175 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:30:56am

re: #1138 bellamags
"He[Ayers] is educated way beyond his intelligence."
And so terribly under-deprived.

1176 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:31:22am

re: #1169 MrSilverDragon

As you sow, so shall you reap.


I bet if she is released she will refuse to leave or condemn her kidnappers and Liberals will say she is suffering from the Stockholm syndrome.

1177 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:31:45am

re: #1166 Ben Hur

I happen to believe that there is some merit in the dragons of lore being the last dinosaurs (or at least some big ass lizards).

That doesn't mean I think they were on Noah's Ark, but I've always found it interesting that "dragon" myths are found in different cultures all over the world.

Please don't stone me.

With stones...HAHAHAHAHA!

Dude. I think the same thing! Camodo dragons are pretty close to dragons. The fire breathing thing could be a reference to the poison saliva they use to kill prey.

1178 opnion  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:31:56am

re: #1165 shanec99

Hey they elected a dude named Ellison who refused to swear on the Bible.

The ironc thing was that the fool swore on Thomas Jefferson's Koran (Jefferson got himself when our nation to better understand Islam when our nation had to fight the Barbary Pirates).

1179 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:32:45am

re: #1174 opnion

Good morning lizards.
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that in the MN. Senator race two heavy Democrat Counties, Henipin being one have reported over 25,000 ballaots with the office of president voted for, but no Senate vote.
When they finish this, it will probably be bad news for Norm Coleman.

Odd, isn't it, how in all this recounting they have found no votes for Coleman?

1180 Tigger2005  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:32:46am

re: #1112 Perplexed

I think that the problem with evolution and Christians is that evolution drops humans to the level of animals and that we're no better or worse for that drop. This denies the divinity of creation.

Evolution doesn't "drop" human beings to the level of anything. We're still what we evolved to be, human beings, with many similarities between ourselves and other creatures, but many profound differences as well.

Anyway, this is only a problem with SOME Christians. Plenty of Christians reconcile the issue by regarding evolution itself as the divine creative act, whether God simply started the ball rolling or intervened in subtle and undetectable ways to ensure our evolution. I've also heard the view that even if our evolution wasn't planned or guided (a sort of Deistic view in which God started the universe and then let it unfold according to its own laws), God nevertheless takes a special interest in (and perhaps bestows souls upon) those creatures that do evolve self-awareness and the ability to think about the universe, thus "separating" them from non-sentient creatures in this manner.

1181 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:32:47am

re: #1175 realwest

"He[Ayers] is educated way beyond his intelligence."
And so terribly under-deprived.

HA.

1182 opnion  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:32:48am

re: #1178 opnion

Oops, above

1183 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:32:59am

Boxer Aide Arrested for Distributing Child Porn, Media Mostly Mum

A high-level adviser for Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Cali) was charged Wednesday with receiving and distributing child pornography.

1184 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:33:08am

re: #1155 WriterMom

More about this story here:

B. C. woman reportedly abducted in Pakistan

Ms. Qahaar, formerly known as Beverly Giesbrecht, runs jihadunspun.com,an independent Web site that has been highly critical of U. S. foreign policy. Prior to the abduction, Ms. Qahaar said she was in Pakistan working on a documentary film and shoring up contacts for the Web site's news service.

Check her website, Jihad Unspun it's not merely "critical of U. S. foreign policy", it's outspokenly pro Al-Qaeda.

Reports of the abduction came just weeks after Ms. Qahaar posted an "urgent" message on her Web site about deteriorating security conditions in Pakistan...Ms. Qahaar said as "foreigners," the team "must leave the country," but lacked the funds to get out... Ms. Qahaar went on to ask readers to send financial contributions to the jihadunspun.com team either through PayPal or Western Union, saying she had already had numerous close calls as "kidnappers and thieves are running loose." "Allah knows that I really dislike having to ask but please know how hard we work for Allah," the statement reads.

Mark Federman, an expert in media studies at the University of Toronto, said he had not previously heard of jihadunspun.com. But looking at the circumstances of the reported abduction, "my skepticism detectors start flashing on this one," he said. While Mr. Federman acknowledged the threat of abduction was very real in the region Ms. Qahaar was travelling, he questioned the timing of her Web site posting.

1185 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:33:14am

re: #1142 WriterMom
Absolutely correct. The "industry" of helping the homeless (I'm NOT talking about true charitable enterprises) helps those who "work" in it to avoid real jobs.
Sorta like the race-baiters and racism in the U.S.

1186 opnion  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:33:59am

re: #1179 redstateredneck

Odd, isn't it, how in all this recounting they have found no votes for Coleman?

One of life's mysteries. I plan to check my car trunk today for ballots.

1187 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:34:34am

re: #1174 opnion

Good morning lizards.
The Chicago Tribune is reporting that in the MN. Senator race two heavy Democrat Counties, Henipin being one have reported over 25,000 ballaots with the office of president voted for, but no Senate vote.
When they finish this, it will probably be bad news for Norm Coleman.

There's a really big cemetery in south Minneapolis...

1188 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:34:52am

re: #1186 opnion

Maybe that's what's been making that noise when my furnace kicks on.

1189 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:35:04am

re: #1168 buzzsawmonkey

There are basically three subgroups to "the homeless":

1) The substratum of drunks, drug addicts, bums and petty criminals that have always populated America's Skid Rows;
2) The de-institutionalized mentally ill;
3) People or families who were living close to the borderline and hit a streak of bad luck (by far the smallest segment of the three).

There are also runaway teens, escaping abuse at home. Building more shelters does not solve any of the underlying causes of homelessness.

1190 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:35:30am

re: #1166 Ben Hur

That doesn't mean I think they were on Noah's Ark, but I've always found it interesting that "dragon" myths are found in different cultures all over the world.

It's not surprising to me that this particular myth is spread worldwide. Imagine several thousand years ago, coming across the fossil of some big toothy dinosaur. Not having any reference to base this skeletal figure, a story would form as to the origins of said creature, which over time being told from generation to generation, became myth. And I have to imagine this would've happened more than once across the planet.

Just my $.02. :)

1191 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:35:45am

re: #1183 Ben Hur

Boxer Aide Arrested for Distributing Child Porn, Media Mostly Mum

Funny they don't report that, but they report the lie that some McCain aide said that Governor Palin did not know that Africa was not a country.

The MSM is amusingly inept or just plain corrupt. Perhaps the MSM falls on a continuum between the two extremes I just mentioned.

1192 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:35:54am

re: #1186 opnion

One of life's mysteries. I plan to check my car trunk today for ballots.

I'm pretty sure there are no ballots in the trunk of my car.

1193 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:35:58am

re: #959 redstateredneck

Ten! God bless you. My first baby was still born (cord accident). I gave myself a couple of months, and then got pregnant again. My healthy daughter was born the next year. Bad thing was, I felt like I was pregnant for two years!

Oh, the heartache for you - I have to believe a stillbirth would bring even more excruciating pain. I'm so happy that you have your daughter.

1194 opnion  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:37:03am

re: #1165 shanec99

Hey they elected a dude named Ellison who refused to swear on the Bible.

The ironc thing was that the fool swore on Thomas Jefferson's Koran (Jefferson got himself when our nation to better understand Islam when our nation had to fight the Barbary Pirates).

Jefferson & Franklin visiting the Court of St. James asked the Ambassador of Tripoli why the attacked our ships, robbing, killing & imprisoning our sailors. his answer "Jihad"
That's why jefferson got a copy of the Koran. to understand the enemy.

1195 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:37:36am

I gotta run.
Lastly, all things considered, I think HRC would be a GREAT Sec. of State, especially when compared to some other, lesser known, Obama associates.

I think that, believe it or not, would be good news.

BBL.

1196 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:38:09am

Joke of the day

Micky Mouse is visiting his psychiatrist.

The Psychiatrist says, "I'm sorry, Mr. Mouse, that you think think your wife, Mini, is crazy."

Micky say, "You idiot. I didnt's say she was crazy! I said that she's f#ucking Goofy!"

1197 Tigger2005  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:38:22am

re: #1194 opnion

Jefferson & Franklin visiting the Court of St. James asked the Ambassador of Tripoli why the attacked our ships, robbing, killing & imprisoning our sailors. his answer "Jihad"
That's why jefferson got a copy of the Koran. to understand the enemy.

Ah, the good old days, when our leaders were grounded in reality and common sense, and didn't spout shit like "Islam is a religion of peace."

And the Nazis were just a political party.

1198 opnion  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:38:35am

re: #1187 The Other Les

There's a really big cemetery in south Minneapolis...


I think that they had dead Chicago Democrats go to MN & vote illegaly.
I think that it's an Acorn thing.

1199 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:39:10am

re: #1195 Bumr50

And we know that she can handle herself if she gets caught in a firefight while visiting Bosnia.

1200 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:39:22am

Forward 50, 2008

The Foward is left-wing Jewish paper with a history of socialism and anti-Zionism.

This is their list of top Jewish leaders for this year.

I know some on the list personally and they have done very good very important work.

But look at who else is on it and how they are described:

Sarah Silverman

It would have been reasonable to assume that comedian Sarah Silverman had pushed the boundaries of Jewish humor as far as they could possibly go with a one-liner she delivered in her "Jesus is Magic" tour a couple of years back. "I was raped by a doctor," she says, her trademark shayna punim all wide-eyed innocence, "which is so bittersweet for a Jewish girl." This year, Silverman, 37, went further: Not only did she create a pro-Barack Obama monologue that gleefully skewered the polite discourse around the purported racism of some elderly Jewish voters, her video got into so many e-mail inboxes that comic Jackie Mason, a John McCain supporter, responded with an indignant monologue of his own. Silverman's election monologue may have been more popular than it was successful. The video was a promotion for "The Great Schlep," a Jewish organization's effort to get young Jews to fly to Florida and sweet-talk their grandparents into voting for Obama. Reportedly, only about 100 grandkids showed up. But Silverman is having a pretty good year: Her sitcom, "The Sarah Silverman Program," is in its second season on Comedy Central, and she won an Emmy for her anniversary present to her on-again, off-again boyfriend, comedian Jimmy Kimmel, a video in which she has a torrid affair with Matt Damon, starring herself and, well, Matt Damon. Bittersweet stuff.

Barney Frank

This year's financial meltdown catapulted Democrat Barney Frank, the chair of the House Financial Services Committee, to center stage. During tense days in late September, as the American credit markets ground to a halt, Frank played a major role in shaping the Wall Street bailout plan and getting it approved. The outspoken, and at times short-tempered, congressman from Massachusetts shuttled between meetings with the Treasury secretary, House Republicans and his own party members in an effort to deliver the deal. After the vote, Frank stood proudly with congressional leaders in front of TV cameras to announce victory. In his 27-year career in Congress, Frank, 68, has made history before. He was the first leading politician to come out as gay in 1987, and has since carried the flag for civil liberties and gay rights in Congress. Growing up in a New Jersey family with a strong Jewish identity, Frank frequently draws upon the idea of tikkun olam as a driving force behind his work on civil rights and assisting the needy.
1201 bulwrk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:40:46am

re: #1191 shanec99

Its actually in the LA Times this morning.

1202 WriterMom  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:41:40am

re: #1168 buzzsawmonkey

buzz, I should have put more information with my post. By homes, I don't mean just building 'affordable' housing. What I mean is permanent housing solutions including therapy or career training...definitely mentally ill people need therapy, and supportive housing solutions...it's not a solution to just throw people into a building and give them some food. I just am against the homeless 'industry'. I hate them. And I hate the band-aid activists even more...the armies of 'socks for the homeless' or 'blankies for the homeless' or sandwiches for the homeless people. I am in favour of a homeless solution that includes giving people the tools that can help them live the most productive life possible-and I am very supportive of initiatives that help people who TRULY can't help themselves (mentally disabled, infirm...etc.)-I'm happy to pay more than my share for those folks.

1203 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:41:50am

re: #1194 opnion

Jefferson & Franklin visiting the Court of St. James asked the Ambassador of Tripoli why the attacked our ships, robbing, killing & imprisoning our sailors. his answer "Jihad"
That's why jefferson got a copy of the Koran. to understand the enemy.


Oh how I wish that our present leaders would take the time to learn about liberty and the role government must play in defending our citizens. Our founding fathers could give these miscreants who sit in the halls of power a lesson in the role of government.

1204 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:42:04am

re: #1175 realwest

"He[Ayers] is educated way beyond his intelligence."
And so terribly under-deprived.

He needs this shirt.

1205 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:42:09am

Robert Wexler

At a time when many Democrats in Congress backed Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Rep. Robert Wexler took a risk. As co-chair of Barack Obama's Florida campaign, Wexler often reminded audiences that he was one of the first Jews to support Obama for president long before it was fashionable, and long before many of his older Jewish constituents in the Sunshine State warmed up to Obama. Such loyalty earned Wexler, 47, a prime spot speaking about Israel and the Middle East during the Democratic convention. As a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee since his election in 1997, Wexler will likely continue to have Obama's ear and be a sounding board on Jewish and Middle East matters in Congress. Known for a prosecutorial style, this lawyer will probably have his hand in a number of pressing domestic and foreign policy issues. Within the Foreign Affairs Committee, he is chairman of the Europe subcommittee and a member of the Middle East subcommittee. He also serves on the House Financial Services and Judiciary committees. Wexler voted to give the Bush administration authority to invade Iraq, but he has been a frequent administration critic and called for hearings on whether to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney.

Jon Stewart

Comedian Jon Stewart may or may not be "the citizens' surrogate" inside politics, as Tom Brokaw grandly called him, much less "the most trusted man in America," as The New York Times wrote last August. But he's certainly high on the list. "The Daily Show," Stewart's wildly popular mock-news cable television show, is said to be the main source of news for the under-30 set. No one else in television matches Stewart, 46, at exposing politicians' hypocrisy. There's no disputing Stewart's stature as the public face of a supposedly lost generation of American Jews: politically liberal, thoroughly American and proudly if ambivalently Jewish. No one on air is more casually, openly Jewish, and never more so than in this presidential year. In June, he skewered the candidates for pandering to the pro-Israel vote. (On John McCain visiting Israel with Senator Joseph Lieberman in tow: "You know, when you go to Israel you don't have to bring your own Jew — there's a wide variety of Jews there.") In October, he lampooned Congress for delaying the financial bailout plan to adjourn for Rosh Hashanah ("I mean, seriously, Utah, you're not coming in for Rosh Hashanah?"). But always with affection: Last fall he mentioned to Tony Blair that his wife was Catholic and he was Jewish. When Blair asked how it was working out, Stewart replied: "We're raising our children to be sad."
1206 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:42:29am

KHNLYour text to link...is reporting that Obama is not attending his grandmothers memorial service.

1207 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:42:46am

re: #1187 The Other Les

There's a really big cemetery in south Minneapolis...

Yes, but it is primarily a military cemetery and they vote conservative.

1208 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:43:19am

re: #1170 realwest

Hey there my friend! "Still spend more than their means" but only because they are so gosh darned
ENTITLED.Just sheer stupidity - on the part of the politicians and the regulatory idiots.

I guess they think it is all right since the government spends above their means...

1209 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:43:33am

re: #1206 Bumr50

Sorry. Try this

1210 CharlieBravo  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:43:39am

Look who is peeping out from under the bus: Ayers: Republicans Demonized Me (Fox News)

Stand back, make room... many more under there coming out soon.

1211 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:44:00am

re: #1172 bellamags
Uh, no disprespect meant to him, but NOBODY'S a sharpshooter with an M-14 on full auto. Trust me on this. The M-14 rifle was a great rifle for semi-auto - aimed fire. On full auto it was too light to be able for the shooter to handle the recoil.

1212 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:44:31am

re: #1201 bulwrk

Its actually in the LA Times this morning.


Yeah, but they are holding on to that video for dear life. God bless them for thier committment to preserving thier sources (please note my damp sarcasm). I sincerley hope the LA times goes bankrupt forcing its editorial staff to all go our and earn an honest living.

1213 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:44:59am

re: #1207 Perplexed

Yes, but it is primarily a military cemetery and they vote conservative.

I was thinking of Lakewood cemetery. We have two DFL senators buried there already. I would expect them to dump Mondale there when he expires too.

1214 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:45:13am

The Racial Grievance Industry rolls on:

Youth violence tied to racism, report says

The sharp rise of youth violence in ontario is linked to entrenched racism in the province, according to a long-awaited report that calls on the provincial government to collect race-based statistics and provide anti-racism training to police officers.

”We were taken aback by the extent to which racism is alive and well and wreaking its deeply harmful effects on Ontarians and on the very fabric of this province,” stated the report released this morning by Roy McMurtry and Alvin Curling.

The report on the roots of youth violence was commissioned by Premier Dalton McGuinty following the shooting death of 15-year-old Jordan Manners* at C.W. Jeffreys Collegiate Institute.

The sweeping report is critical of the education system, saying students do not see themselves in the curriculum. It calls for guidance counsellors to be trained in understanding issues affecting ”ethno-racial youth.”

Among its recommendations, the report calls for:

• the province to press the federal government to implement a handgun ban

• building community hubs in disadvantaged neighbourhoods.

• $200-million, estimated, to provide universal mental health services.

• establishment of a committee of anti racism and social inclusion.

*Jordan Manners was a young black male shot to death by his friend, another young black male, while joking around with an illegally owned handgun. I guess "racism" made them do it!

Manner's mother was on TV crying how her son was a good boy, never involved with gangs or guns. Under pressure from the public to "do something", police launched a series of raids of suspected gang members. What a surprise! Jordan Manner's sister was living in the apartment of a gang leader where several guns, quantities of drugs and large sums of cash were discovered.

I guess "racism" made them do it, too.

1215 fish  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:45:34am

re: #1166 Ben Hur

I happen to believe that there is some merit in the dragons of lore being the last dinosaurs (or at least some big ass lizards).

That doesn't mean I think they were on Noah's Ark, but I've always found it interesting that "dragon" myths are found in different cultures all over the world.

Please don't stone me.

With stones...HAHAHAHAHA!

I happen to believe the dragon myths were created when people from the Middle Ages stumbled upon very large fossil bones and tried to explain what kind of anmal they were from.

1216 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:45:59am
1217 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:46:14am

re: #1202 WriterMom

buzz, I should have put more information with my post. By homes, I don't mean just building 'affordable' housing. What I mean is permanent housing solutions including therapy or career training...definitely mentally ill people need therapy, and supportive housing solutions...it's not a solution to just throw people into a building and give them some food. I just am against the homeless 'industry'. I hate them. And I hate the band-aid activists even more...the armies of 'socks for the homeless' or 'blankies for the homeless' or sandwiches for the homeless people. I am in favour of a homeless solution that includes giving people the tools that can help them live the most productive life possible-and I am very supportive of initiatives that help people who TRULY can't help themselves (mentally disabled, infirm...etc.)-I'm happy to pay more than my share for those folks.

I agree. The whole 'support the homeless around Thanksgiving and Christmas' really makes me gag. What about the rest of the year? What to do to get them back on their feet so they live a real life?

1218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:47:24am

re: #1214 Kenneth

The Racial Grievance Industry rolls on:

Youth violence tied to racism, report says

*Jordan Manners was a young black male shot to death by his friend, another young black male, while joking around with an illegally owned handgun. I guess "racism" made them do it!

Manner's mother was on TV crying how her son was a good boy, never involved with gangs or guns. Under pressure from the public to "do something", police launched a series of raids of suspected gang members. What a surprise! Jordan Manner's sister was living in the apartment of a gang leader where several guns, quantities of drugs and large sums of cash were discovered.

I guess "racism" made them do it, too.

I thought things like racism, crime, drugs, & guns only existed in the eeevil U.S.A.?

1219 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:49:06am

DOW down 282

1220 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:49:23am

re: #1191 shanec99
Nah, I dibbs corrupt. All the way.

1221 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:49:51am

re: #1206 Bumr50

KHNLYour text to link...is reporting that Obama is not attending his grandmothers memorial service.

The public, or the private one? The public one is first, followed by a private family one in a few months.

1222 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:50:21am

re: #1217 Perplexed

Many of them don't want to lead a productive life. My girlfriend is a bookkeeper for the Salvation Army, and many of their "clients" (the term they use) have been coming since they were children. It's institutional.

1223 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:50:29am

re: #1211 realwest

Uh, no disprespect meant to him, but NOBODY'S a sharpshooter with an M-14 on full auto. Trust me on this. The M-14 rifle was a great rifle for semi-auto - aimed fire. On full auto it was too light to be able for the shooter to handle the recoil.

I dont know anyone who could hit 24 pop up targets with 40 rounds varying from 50 to 300 yards if the rifle was on full auto. Good luck if you find one.
Hell with the CCoL and M-4 I was shooting to qual I hit 35 pop up targets (the targets popped up at random and remained up for 2 seconds). I missed expert by 1 shot.
By the way Sharp Shooter is the second lowest level you can qualify at. The highest is expert.

1224 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:50:31am

re: #1205 Ben Hur

Just out of curiosity, Did Norm Coleman make the cut?

1225 Opilio  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:50:42am

re: #1191 shanec99

Funny they don't report that, but they report the lie that some McCain aide said that Governor Palin did not know that Africa was not a country.

The MSM is   amusingly inept or   just plain corrupt. Perhaps the MSM falls on a continuum between the two extremes I just mentioned.

1226 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:51:09am

re: #1211 realwest

I don't know about the full auto thing. We did not discuss that.

1227 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:51:23am

re: #1213 The Other Les

I was thinking Fort Snelling.

1228 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:51:25am

re: #1215 fish

I happen to believe the dragon myths were created when people from the Middle Ages stumbled upon very large fossil bones and tried to explain what kind of anmal they were from.

SOunds very reasonable.

Mr SilverDragon said the same thing a little up the thread.

And he should know.

He's a dragon.

1229 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:51:28am

re: #1218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Canada "caught" racism from the US when the government allowed Fox News to be broadcast up here.

1230 Bumr50  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:51:51am

re: #1221 vxbush

The public one. Still weird to me.

1231 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:52:44am

re: #1227 Perplexed

I was thinking Fort Snelling.

Thought so.

1232 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:52:55am

re: #1193 GGMac

Oh, the heartache for you - I have to believe a stillbirth would bring even more excruciating pain. I'm so happy that you have your daughter.

She was showered with love and attention, let me tell ya'! In addition to those circumstances, she was the first grandchild on both sides of the family. In spite of all the spoiling, she turned out fairly well.

1233 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:53:00am

target="_blank">[Link: cbs3.com...]

Mayor Nutter Heads To D.C., Seeks Bailout Share
PHILADELPHIA (AP) ― The mayors of Phoenix and two other big cities are pressing the federal government to use a portion of the $700 billion financial bailout plan to help large U.S. cities with pension costs, infrastructure investment and cash-flow problems stemming from the global financial crisis.

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter traveled to Washington on Friday to deliver a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The letter is signed by Nutter, Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin and Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon.

"We who run some of America's larger cities are dealing with the economic damage wrought by the credit and housing crises as we write this to you," the letter reads. "The economic contraction precipitated by these twin crises is forcing us, and mayors all across the country, to dramatically reduce programs and services for millions of residents we serve."

Last week, Nutter announced Philadelphia would be laying off city employees, cutting salaries, closing most of its swimming pools and shutting nearly a dozen library branches to cope with a $108 million shortfall this year caused by lower business and real estate tax revenue. The deficit could grow to a total of $1 billion over five years.

In Phoenix, the city is expecting a $250 million deficit this year, which could lead to cuts in police, fire, parks and library services, Nutter has said.

The three mayors propose providing loans to help cities pay pension costs. They also want $50 billion in loans for investment in infrastructure, and additional one-year loans to cities unable to borrow cash because of the tight credit markets.

The Philadelphia pension system lost more than $650 million in the first nine months of the year.

"We are not looking for a handout; we are looking for a hand up," the mayors wrote.

Nutter will meet with Treasury officials, senior staff from the Committee on Ways and Means, senior advisers to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and a policy adviser on President-elect Barack Obama's transition team.

1234 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:53:16am

re: #1222 Bumr50

Many of them don't want to lead a productive life. My girlfriend is a bookkeeper for the Salvation Army, and many of their "clients" (the term they use) have been coming since they were children. It's institutional.

Ouch. Do those 'clients' like living like that?

1235 vxbush  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:53:17am

re: #1230 Bumr50

The public one. Still weird to me.

I have to admit, I found it rather odd, because even if a family doesn't have a funeral, the family's memorial comes before the public one. So I don't get it myself. But then, I'm a midwesterner, so I don't understand such island customs.

1236 howyadoin  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:53:29am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

That's what YMCAs use to be. Now they are Suburban country clubs.

1237 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:54:37am

re: #1229 Kenneth

Canada "caught" racism from the US when the government allowed Fox News to be broadcast up here.

Good Lord... who said that ?

1238 Opilio  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:54:44am

re: #1206 Bumr50

KHNL is reporting that Obama is not attending his grandmother's memorial service.

No political advantage to be gained. No political cost to be paid. No surprise.

1239 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:54:48am

re: #1234 Perplexed

Ouch. Do those 'clients' like living like that?

I once sat down & talked with a homeless guy & asked how he came tobe in these circumstances. He said he wanted to be "free", no family, no job, no responsibilities & he didn't regret it.

1240 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:54:51am

re: #1223 shanec99

I dont know anyone who could hit 24 pop up targets with 40 rounds varying from 50 to 300 yards if the rifle was on full auto. Good luck if you find one.
Hell with the CCoL and M-4 I was shooting to qual I hit 35 pop up targets (the targets popped up at random and remained up for 2 seconds). I missed expert by 1 shot.
By the way Sharp Shooter is the second lowest level you can qualify at. The highest is expert.

I just cleared things up with him. He qualified expert with a pistol at 25 yards, rifle at 300 and he was the gunner at the helicopter door with a 50 cal.

1241 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:01am

re: #1218 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm pretty sure Jane Creba was a racist too. After all, she was white and the several young men now on trial for her murder are all black. It couldn't be more clear!

1242 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:04am

re: #1224 David Simon

Just out of curiosity, Did Norm Coleman make the cut?

Nyet.

I didn't know he was a Joo.

1243 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:20am

re: #967 Ford_Prefect

re: #934 DistantThunder

You are both incredibly strong women. I am humbled.

Not so strong at those times, I assure you. I had 4 children when the assault of losses began, and by degrees learned to be strong - one must, or risk making life a dirge for those around you. The 5th child was a twin: one miscarried, one "stuck".

Yes, I believe in miracles. :)

1244 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:21am

re: #1233 outsidephilly

The solution is not to cut spending from its obscene levels, but to get someone else to bail 'em out of their own spending messes. Once the hand is outstretched, everyone else under the sun demands their own piece of the pie, regardless of need.

Banks get bailed out, so investment companies line up. Then come municipalities. Then come every other group under the sun, demanding a piece of the action.

It was bad fiscal policy to begin with (no oversight to be seen to boot!) and it's not getting any better with the current iteration.

1245 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:31am
1246 gonecamping  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:33am

re: #1215 fish

I happen to believe the dragon myths were created when people from the Middle Ages stumbled upon very large fossil bones and tried to explain what kind of anmal they were from.

Or perhaps Komodo Dragons were more widespread back then and not only found in Indonesia (the Knights killed them all off in Europe).

1247 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:50am

re: #1214 Kenneth

The sharp rise of youth violence in ontario is linked to entrenched racism in the province, according to a long-awaited report that calls on the provincial government to collect race-based statistics and provide anti-racism training to police officers.

”We were taken aback by the extent to which racism is alive and well and wreaking its deeply harmful effects on Ontarians and on the very fabric of this province,” stated the report released this morning by Roy McMurtry and Alvin Curling.

The report on the roots of youth violence was commissioned by Premier Dalton McGuinty following the shooting death of 15-year-old Jordan Manners* at C.W. Jeffreys Collegiate Institute.

Ah yes, whenever I encounter anti-semitism, my thoughts always turn to blowing my friends' brains out.

I wonder who commissioned that "report?"

1248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:55:55am

re: #1236 howyadoin

That's what YMCAs use to be. Now they are Suburban country clubs.

And a great place to have a good time. At least that's what The Village People told us.

1249 howyadoin  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:56:10am

re: #1232 redstateredneck

I've been there, before. I understand your loss. We continued to build a family through adoption. There is no way to describe the feeling of finally holding that squalling child in your hands!

1250 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:56:21am

re: #1237 shanec99

Just about any liberal or leftist Canadian you care to meet. I'm only slightly exaggerating. They view Fox News as the plague.

1251 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:56:22am

re: #1206 Bumr50

KHNLYour text to link...is reporting that Obama is not attending his grandmothers memorial service.

I read yesterday that the family is going to come later next month for a private memorial service.
/whatever

1252 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:56:33am

re: #1211 realwest

Uh, no disprespect meant to him, but NOBODY'S a sharpshooter with an M-14 on full auto. Trust me on this. The M-14 rifle was a great rifle for semi-auto - aimed fire. On full auto it was too light to be able for the shooter to handle the recoil.

Did you ever shoot a Springfield .30/06?

Best I've every personally used for shots 200 yards out or more.

1253 SecondComing  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:56:48am

re: #603 Kenneth

Let me see if I understand Ayers' thinking...

So in Ayers' mind, bombing is not terrorism and associating with somebody is not associating.

haha he's a piece of work. He said he doesn't consider it terrorism because he says no one was hurt.

It drove me nuts that he couldn't understand how there would be questions about Obamas associations with him(pentagon bomber etc..) when Obama was running for POTUS.

Not to mention he thinks he's being "demonized".* Rolls eyes*

1254 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:57:07am

re: #1238 Opilio

No political advantage to be gained. No political cost to be paid. No surprise.

Typical white person.

1255 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:57:13am

re: #1233 outsidephilly

Your mayor is appropriately named.

1256 unreconstructed rebel  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:57:28am

re: #1127 Bumr50

Bill Ayers is NOTHING without the protest. If we lived somehow happily under socialism, he'd be a staunch capitalist.
I'm convinced.
He just has that loser feel about him. He's the trenchcoat mafia with slightly more intelligence and much less authentic conviction.
What a piece of fecal matter.

Are you saying he's a rich kid without enough to do? I see a lot of that living in Horse Country. Over-educated, under-employed brats.

1257 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:57:52am

re: #1243 GGMac

{GGMac}

1258 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:58:21am

re: #1151 lawhawk

The longwarjournal link you posted a few minutes ago was was well worth reading. I wonder if Obama has been briefed on this little publicized bit:

"US intelligence believes al Qaeda has regenerated its capacity to strike at the West by rebuilding in Pakistan's northwest. There are currently 157 training camps and "more than 400 support locations" spread throughout the tribal areas and the settled districts of the Northwest Frontier Province, senior intelligence officials speaking on the condition of anonymity told The Long War Journal on Aug. 13. This number does not include Taliban camps and support locations in Baluchistan province."

I had know idea there were that many al Qaeda camps. It really, really is a tribute to the Bush administration that we haven't been attacked in the US since 9/11. This really is going to be a long war, O better come to the table ready and willing to fight it otherwise we'll be screwed again big time.

1259 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:58:46am

re: #1244 lawhawk

I give Gov. David Patterson here in NY credit for proposing massive cuts in spending...

I do find it funny that Mayor Blomberg classified cancelling fall leaf collection this year as a major spending cut for the Sanitation Depatrment...

1260 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:59:01am

re: #1240 bellamags

I just cleared things up with him. He qualified expert with a pistol at 25 yards, rifle at 300 and he was the gunner at the helicopter door with a 50 cal.


OK... well... that is more reasonable.

But to qualify with a rifle on full auto... what a load of croc.

1261 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:59:05am

re: #1239 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I once sat down & talked with a homeless guy & asked how he came tobe in these circumstances. He said he wanted to be "free", no family, no job, no responsibilities & he didn't regret it.

Ah, the frontiersmen of yesterday living in the cities of today. A wolf down from the steppes.

Understandable even if unpleasant.

1262 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:59:43am

re: #1245 Iron Fist

Thanks. That rifle is sweet and looks kinda mean also. We looked at the Springfeilds online and they run about 2500. Thanks for the info and he'll check out the SOCOM.

1263 MandyManners  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 8:59:54am

re: #1216 buzzsawmonkey

Eminently sensible. But, I can hear the grievance community's organizers ripping it to shreds.

1264 turn  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:00:04am

re: #1258 turn


PIMF know = no (need more coffee)

1265 Opilio  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:00:25am

re: #1254 Kenneth

Typical white person.

I resemble that remark.

1266 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:00:41am

re: #1250 Kenneth

Just about any liberal or leftist Canadian you care to meet. I'm only slightly exaggerating. They view Fox News as the plague.


Then I hope they all get bitten by the fox flea.

1267 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:00:43am

re: #1247 David Simon

The report on the roots of youth violence was commissioned by Premier Dalton McGuinty (Liberal). Former Attorney General Roy McMurtry (Conservative) and former MPP Alvin Curling (Liberal) headed the commission.

I am curious to read what the report actually says, as distinct from what the media reports are saying.

1268 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:00:48am

re: #1249 howyadoin

I've been there, before. I understand your loss. We continued to build a family through adoption. There is no way to describe the feeling of finally holding that squalling child in your hands!

I mentioned upthread that my daughter was born 10 weeks early and spent 8 weeks in NICU. It was 3 weeks before we were able to hold her. The combination of relief and fear was nearly overwhelming.

1269 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:00:57am

President-elect Barack Obama will meet Monday with John McCain in talks that Obama's transition office said would focus on ways they can cooperate on an array of troublesome issues facing the country.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Not sure why this meeting is taking place? McCain no longer represents anyone? That bus has pulled out of the station!

1270 J.S.  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:02:10am

re: #1234 Perplexed

I saw a film (indepent film, iirc) which simply followed around some homeless men...to document how the person lived, what the person experienced (the camera was kept as inobtrusive as possible). One had been a child protege -- a classical pianist...(he was clearly suffering from a mental illness -- probably manic depression.) He lived outdoors, ate from garbage bins, but claimed to love his "freedom." Another homeless person pushed a shopping cart (all his possessions in the cart), a totally addicted alcoholic...lived only to beg for money, and drink it...but he said, he wouldn't live any other way. He said in his "former life" he had been a well paid, productive member of society (complete with wife and children) but gave it all up, due to drinking (he also showed, exhibited, "mental" problems -- but more associated with long term drinking -- ie, brain damage). Anyway, at the end of the film, there was an update or follow-up-- the film returned one year later. The pianist had committed suicide, and the alcoholic was still out on the streets.

1271 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:02:26am

re: #1269 Nevergiveup

President-elect Barack Obama will meet Monday with John McCain in talks that Obama's transition office said would focus on ways they can cooperate on an array of troublesome issues facing the country.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Not sure why this meeting is taking place? McCain no longer represents anyone? That bus has pulled out of the station!

I would consider Obama to be the most troubling issue facing this country.

1272 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:02:48am

re: #1269 Nevergiveup

President-elect Barack Obama will meet Monday with John McCain in talks that Obama's transition office said would focus on ways they can cooperate on an array of troublesome issues facing the country.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Not sure why this meeting is taking place? McCain no longer represents anyone? That bus has pulled out of the station!

He's being considered for Sec Def.
/half

1273 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:03:18am

re: #1267 Kenneth

I am curious to read what the report actually says, as distinct from what the media reports are saying.

Yes, that's a good point. As the media spinning of the Duelfer Report shows, what's in the report isn't what necessarily gets reported.

1274 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:03:22am

re: #1259 tfc3rid

So do I. I, however, expect him to cave and it will be window dressing cuts and tax increases as he's now leaning towards accepting tolls on the East River bridges. The last thing the city needs is to tax commuters and customers coming into the city to do business - it will drain taxpayer wallets who will decide it's cheaper to do business elsewhere, lowering revenues for the City faster than the tolls will replenish them.

1275 Ben Hur  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:04:07am

Has anybody else seen Top Sniper on the Military Channel?

They can actually take out targets while sitting in helicopters.

Helicopters that are in the air.

I love the Military Channel.

1276 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:04:25am
1277 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:04:27am

re: #1273 David Simon

Exactly!

1278 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:05:02am

re: #1258 turn

Nope. He will get no credit at all for his actions. The NYT will continue to undermine the covert ops into Pakistan, etc., and yet Bush has done his duty to keep the nation safe from mass casualty terrorist attacks on the homeland since 9/11.

Let us pray that Obama can keep up that record.

1279 Macker  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:05:04am

Time for me to goto work. Hey Charles, did you have a late night last night?

/F.I.I.F.

1280 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:05:33am

re: #1260 shanec99

OK... well... that is more reasonable.

But to qualify with a rifle on full auto... what a load of croc.

He didn't. Do you think I am making this up? When I talked to him a few minutes ago he agreed. No one can qualify with the gun on full auto. I never said anything about full auto. And don't you mean load of shit or croc of shit?

1281 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:05:34am

re: #1276 Iron Fist

There's a reason I now refer to MTV as Moron Television.

1282 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:05:37am

re: #1274 lawhawk

Exactly... This city will further hemmorrage businessand long time citizens like myself...

I need to move someplace with lower taxes and friendlier people... Too bad my folks will never leave this area...

1283 Opilio  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:06:35am

re: #1269 Nevergiveup

Not sure why this meeting is taking place? McCain no longer represents anyone? That bus has pulled out of the station!

Well he's still a senator, so he sort of represents about 6,000,000 people from AZ.

1284 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #1249 howyadoin

I've been there, before. I understand your loss. We continued to build a family through adoption. There is no way to describe the feeling of finally holding that squalling child in your hands!

I grieved for the baby. My husband grieved for me.

1285 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:06:55am
1286 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:07:03am

re: #1233 outsidephilly

target="_blank">[Link: cbs3.com...]


"We are not looking for a handout; we are looking for a hand up," the mayors wrote.

We will be hearing that phrase - or permutations thereof - lots.

Allow me to translate what he really means --- "Please give us a handout."

1287 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:07:15am
1288 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:07:22am

re: #1283 Opilio

Well he's still a senator, so he sort of represents about 6,000,000 people from AZ.

I don't notice Obama meeting individually with all the other Senators?

1289 Yashmak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:07:51am

re: #1191 shanec99

Funny they don't report that, but they report the lie that some McCain aide said that Governor Palin did not know that Africa was not a country.

The MSM is amusingly inept or just plain corrupt. Perhaps the MSM falls on a continuum between the two extremes I just mentioned.

Well, actuallythe Boxer aide thing is on MSNBC front page today. . .so it's not like they're not reporting it.

1290 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:07:59am

re: #1276 Iron Fist

Yes. You are right. What is the fun in being responsible? Their whole philosophy is anti-social. Just do what feels good man, don't worry about it. Most of the bad problems this country faces, especially the financial crisis, is caused by doing what makes you feel good and ignoring facts and consequences.

1291 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:08:24am
1292 WrathofG-d  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:09:10am

Where Is Zombie? I would LOVE photos of this..."Israel Liberation Week" at U.C. Berkeley (brought to you by the Zionist Freedom Alliance) [unless it is over by now]

Approximately 15 rockets rain down on Israeli civilians, wounding 70 year old woman.

and lastly, proof that the Arab claims of "olive harvesting" are actually just excuses for planned provocations, and attacks on Samaria's Jews.

1293 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:09:28am

re: #1281 The Other Les

There's a reason I now refer to MTV as Moron Television.

The amazing thing is that MTV has gotten dumber since the mid 90s when I realized it was too stupid for me to watch anymore.

1294 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:09:41am

DOW now down 342

1295 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:09:52am

Jason Lewis filling in for Rush today so there will be lots of talk about the Minnesota Senator's race theft.

1296 Yashmak  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #1285 buzzsawmonkey

One of the reasons that Republicans should avoid bipartisanship with the Obama administration is that they will be setting themselves up as patsies for the blame for every single administration failure.

That's going to happen anyway. Dodd is pre-emptively blaming Republican resistance for the not-yet-happened failure of the Big 3 bailout. Wait a minute Mr. Dodd. . .I thought your boys had a MAJORITY now.

Nothing will stop them from blaming their every failure on the Republicans.

1297 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:10:21am

re: #1272 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

He's being considered for Sec Def.
/half


Well if he is it wont be the first time a Republican Senator served as a Democratic President's Sec Def. Sen William Cohen served as Preseident Clinton's Sec Def.

Frequently there are not very many people who can serve as Sec Defs in a Democratic Administration from the Democratic Party. Anyone remember Les Aspin (pull the Armor out of Somalia so there was no American armor to support the rescue effort when the helo went down).

I guess Sen Webb (D-Va) could, he served as SecNav during Pres Reagan's administration. Back then he was a Republican though, so today he is a Democrat with Republican influence and a history of military service (I think he is a Naval Academy grad, and he has a son who served in Iraq).

1298 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:10:34am

re: #1284 redstateredneck

I grieved for the baby. My husband grieved for me.

I understand that. In some respects I was more worried for my wife than I was for the baby. I think there was a part of me that never really accepted the idea that she wouldn't live. It wasn't until much later that I relized just how much danger she was in.

BTW, she is now very healthy. At her one year checkup the doc said that you would never know she was a premie.

1299 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:10:43am

re: #1239 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I once sat down & talked with a homeless guy & asked how he came tobe in these circumstances. He said he wanted to be "free", no family, no job, no responsibilities & he didn't regret it.

I know it sounds crass to some, but it's a free country. You are free to do well or free to be poor. You choose and work for what you want.

1300 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:10:45am

Well it's Friday.

What in the heck is going on?

1301 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:10:56am

re: #976 outsidephilly

re: #921 GGMac

re: #934 DistantThunder

You are both incredibly strong women. I am humbled.
Yes, incredibly strong women! I'm honored to get to 'hang-out' with y'all, occasionally!

Great room, where we all get to hang out together, and find out just how incredibly small the world is.

How "outside" Philly are you? In the early 1940's - eeesh, that's a long time ago - I lived at 206 Runnymede Ave in Jenkintown. I was very, v-e-r-y young at the time!

1302 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:11:11am
1303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:11:33am

re: #1287 Kenneth

The record for the longest confirmed sniper kill in combat: 2,430 metres.

You Canucks will never let us Yanks live that down, will you?

1304 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:12:20am

re: #1280 bellamags

He didn't. Do you think I am making this up? When I talked to him a few minutes ago he agreed. No one can qualify with the gun on full auto. I never said anything about full auto. And don't you mean load of shit or croc of shit?

Didn't want to offend the kids and old ladies in the room... so I used an alternative expression.

1305 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:12:38am
1306 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:12:39am

re: #1223 shanec99
Huh. Well waaay back in the day, we shot for qualification at 84 pop up targets, with M-14's on semi-auto; needed 60 out of 84 to qualify as expert (sorry don't remember how long they were up for, but my memory, such as it is, was about 4 seconds) from 100 to 450 yards (not meters!).
I hit 80 out of 84 and finished second in my training brigade - of which there were approximately 12 companies organized into 3 battalions.
Number 1 guy had an astounding 82 out of 84 and I swear if they'd let him, he'd a fixed his bayonette and gone after those two he missed! Two of the four I missed were at 450 yards cause I honestly couldn't see them that well.
And I had never fired anything more than a BB gun before basic training. The Army sure can teach you how to shoot. But this full auto thing is sort of a joke.
Now with the M-16, I could fire on full auto and hit the targets waaay more often than not.
But my weapon of choice while "visiting" SE Asia was the CAR-15 - sucker needed no zero firing; right out of the box she was sweet - full auto all the time.

1307 Buck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:12:42am

re: #1085 fish

Would someone please explain to me the difference between serving on a board with this POS and going over to his house, And say Serving on a board and visting Osama Bin Laden's house? Timothy McVeigh? Terry Nichols?

Whenever the moonbat points out that Obama was only 8 when Billy the Terrorist was using violence in an attempt to topple the government of the USA, we need to ask the question...

In that case, how many years before we can start to be friends with the people who planned 9/11? 10 years? 20?

At what point can we be friends with those people directly involved with 9/11?


Just askin'

1308 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:12:49am

re: #1298 Ford_Prefect

BTW, she is now very healthy. At her one year checkup the doc said that you would never know she was a premie.


That's wonderful. It is just amazing what they can do for those tiniest little babies.

1309 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:13:39am

re: #1300 Dustoff-507

Well it's Friday.

What in the heck is going on?

Just workin' for the weekend!
:D

1310 Buck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:13:44am
1311 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:13:47am

re: #1287 Kenneth

The record for the longest confirmed sniper kill in combat: 2,430 metres.


What did he shoot him with... a Barrett?

1312 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:13:50am

re: #1297 shanec99

Well if he is it wont be the first time a Republican Senator served as a Democratic President's Sec Def. Sen William Cohen served as Preseident Clinton's Sec Def.

Frequently there are not very many people who can serve as Sec Defs in a Democratic Administration from the Democratic Party. Anyone remember Les Aspin (pull the Armor out of Somalia so there was no American armor to support the rescue effort when the helo went down).

And he insisted that sending AC-130 gunships would have "escalated" the situation, so he wouldn't send them over to Somalia, wither. A few of those would have been very useful.

1313 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:13:58am

re: #1303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

WELL, he did have to shoot 3 times. (-:

1314 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:14:25am
1315 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:14:31am

re: #1301 GGMac

Great room, where we all get to hang out together, and find out just how incredibly small the world is.

How "outside" Philly are you? In the early 1940's - eeesh, that's a long time ago - I lived at 206 Runnymede Ave in Jenkintown. I was very, v-e-r-y young at the time!

Remember the Bazaar on Balitmore Pike?

1316 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:15:15am

re: #1306 realwest


OK you guys... I shot left handed... DAMN hot shells in the face. )-:

1317 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:15:48am

re: #1275 Ben Hur


Michael Yon had a really good piece about that...

Guitar Heroes

1318 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:15:58am

re: #1311 shanec99

What did he shoot him with... a Barrett?

16" naval guns.
/

1319 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:00am
1320 Opilio  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:08am

re: #1288 Nevergiveup

I don't notice Obama meeting individually with all the other Senators?

I know. Meeting with McCain is, at best, some sort of symbolic gesture. McCain is politically irrelevant now.

1321 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:23am

re: #1306 realwest

When my older brother was drafted during Viet Nam, our Dad told him not to shoot as well as he could in basic and for God's sake, don't tell 'em you can drive a truck.
He ended up in the 50th Army Band stationed at Hampton, VA and went to a lot of parades.

1322 David Simon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:25am

re: #1305 Iron Fist

I wonder if it's going to be like yesterday? One of these times, it's going to go down and not come back up. Not for a very long time, anyway.

Yesterday's rally was most likely short covering. Usually, after a vicious sell-off, any feeble excuse - even a lame duck President's speech - can produce a short-lived rally as the shorts rush to lock in profits. I doubt we're coming back today, but I could be wrong.

1323 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:52am
1324 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:57am

re: #1291 buzzsawmonkey

Electronic toll collection... 'High speed' EZ pass and if you don't have EZ pass, they'll take a photo of your plate and forward a bill...

1325 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:16:57am

re: #1306 realwest
I am a Navy HM who was assigned to the Iraqi Army as an advisor in Iraq. I carried a M-4 and a Baretta 9mm. The M-4 is a sweet weapon.

1326 DeafDog  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:17:05am

re: #1285 buzzsawmonkey

One of the reasons that Republicans should avoid bipartisanship with the Obama administration is that they will be setting themselves up as patsies for the blame for every single administration failure.


I agree with that. Gates should not accept SecDef under Obama.

1327 gonecamping  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:17:26am

re: #1303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You Canucks will never let us Yanks live that down, will you?

That's ok, one of my favorite 'war movies' is the one about Audie Murphy, a great American hero. Besides, if the record is not held by an American, I'm glad it's an Ally doing the shooting.

1328 Throbert McGee  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:17:33am

re: #1215 fish

I happen to believe the dragon myths were created when people from the Middle Ages stumbled upon very large fossil bones and tried to explain what kind of animal they were from.

There's speculation that the Greek myths about Cyclopsissussuses a race of giant men with one eye in the middle of their foreheads may have originated when ancient Europeans, who had never seen living elephants, discovered fossilized mammoth skulls.

1329 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:18:00am

re: #1319 buzzsawmonkey

Tolerance in the Age of Obama.

Brave girl.

I heard her being interviewed on Fox this morning.

1330 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:18:29am
1331 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:18:34am

re: #1304 shanec99

Didn't want to offend the kids and old ladies in the room... so I used an alternative expression.

HA.
Load of crocs.

1332 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:18:47am
1333 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:19:13am

re: #1319 buzzsawmonkey

Tolerance in the Age of Obama.

Brave girl.

Yep, quite the experiment in uber-leftist Oak Park. Saw Kass's column yesterday on this. Very good, and very informative about Progressive tolerance (or lack thereof).

/BTW, I got a +64 last I saw for linking it. :-)

1334 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:19:22am

re: #1308 redstateredneck

That's wonderful. It is just amazing what they can do for those tiniest little babies.

Absolutely. I am in awe of those people. One of the PA's in the NICU has become a good friend of ours. For some reason he just felt an attachment to our daughter from the start. We used to come in and find the crib empty. Then we would look around and see him behind the reception desk holding her. We reconnected with him when the hospital had a 'Reunion' for the NICU grads. They do it every five years or so. It was great. We also bring her back each year around her birthday. The nurses and PA's are always thrilled to see their former patients doing well. It is also great for the parents that might be their at the time. I know it meant a lot to us to see that.

1335 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:19:33am

re: #1318 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

16" naval guns.
/


What they brought out the old Iowa class battleship to take out a Jihadist?

1336 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:19:33am

re: #1311 shanec99

In 2002, he participated in Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley as a member of the 3rd Battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI). His sniper team included MCpl. Graham Ragsdale (Team Commander), MCpl. Tim McMeekin, MCpl. Arron Perry, Cpl. Dennis Eason. A three-man al-Qaeda weapons team was moving into a mountainside position when Furlong took aim with his Long Range Sniper Weapon (LRSW), a .50-caliber McMillan Brothers Tac-50 rifle. He began firing at a fighter carrying an RPK machine gun. His first shot missed entirely, and his second shot hit the knapsack on the militant's back. The third struck the target's torso, killing him. The distance was measured as 2,430 metres (2,657 yd / 1.509 miles).

Looks that way.

1337 tfc3rid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:19:42am

re: #1320 Opilio

I know. Meeting with McCain is, at best, some sort of symbolic gesture. McCain is politically irrelevant now.

It's to show that Obama reaches across the aisle...

1338 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:04am

re: #1331 bellamags

HA.
Load of crocs.

Load of crocs!
:D

1339 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:13am

bbl. Time to eat lunch.

1340 capitalist piglet  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #1263 MandyManners

Eminently sensible. But, I can hear the grievance community's organizers ripping it to shreds.

We've got a group of homeless "advocates" in my area who openly admit that their mission is to make homelessness as visible as possible, in areas as affluent as possible. They don't want buildings. They threaten to put homeless camps in public parks next to elementary schools (and their camps have a long history of drawing drug abusers, sex offenders, and a host of other dysfunctional individuals) - basically using the homeless as a tool with which to extort money from the county, the well-meaning, and the "we'll pay you, just go away" part of the local population.

Liberal churches are lined up and bending over backwards to host their camps, but what they really have their eye on is public land. They almost had it, too, but the Republicans in the county found a clause in the county charter that kept them from taking over the spot they originally wanted.

1341 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #1328 Throbert McGee

There's speculation that the Greek myths about Cyclopsissussuses a race of giant men with one eye in the middle of their foreheads may have originated when ancient Europeans, who had never seen living elephants, discovered fossilized mammoth skulls.

Oh, please. We've all heard of Cyclopes, but who's ever seen a big furry elephant?
/

1342 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:31am

re: #1301 GGMac

Great room, where we all get to hang out together, and find out just how incredibly small the world is.

How "outside" Philly are you? In the early 1940's - eeesh, that's a long time ago - I lived at 206 Runnymede Ave in Jenkintown. I was very, v-e-r-y young at the time!

1343 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:47am

re: #1331 bellamags


Look like PISSED OFF lizards to me. LOL

1344 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:20:58am

re: #1323 Kenneth

McMillan Tac-50 sniper rifle


What kind of scope?

1345 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:21:36am

"I think it's wrong that only one company makes the game Monopoly." Steven Wright

1346 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:21:50am

re: #1335 shanec99


Sweet idea. Fire another VW please. (-:

1347 outsidephilly  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:21:58am

re: #1342 outsidephilly

out side of philly by 28 minutes or so

1348 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #1344 shanec99

In Canadian service, the standard telescopic sight is a 16X Leupold optical sight.

1349 bellamags  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:22:25am

re: #1338 redstateredneck

Load of crocs!
:D

HA. lol (why didn't I think of that?)

1350 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:22:51am

re: #1332 buzzsawmonkey

How'd she do?

Oh, she was great. I was listening to Fox & Friends on XM in my car, so I didn't see her, but she was talking about how they told her she should be burned for wearing the McCain shirt and but the next day when she was the Obama girl, they told her she had gotten her brain right, or something. Can't remember her exact words. She was very articulate and self-confident for only 14 years old.

1351 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #1338 redstateredneck

Load of crocs!
:D

Am I the only one who has an irrational loathing of those shoes?

1352 Opilio  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:23:12am

re: #1305 Iron Fist

I wonder if it's going to be like yesterday? One of these times, it's going to go down and not come back up. Not for a very long time, anyway.

One of these times?   How about most of the last 2 months ?

Lots of down &mdash very little UP.

1353 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:23:19am

re: #1023 christheprofessor

#991 unclassifiable

Dude! How's my favorite unique human lima bean? (now that would be an interesting DNA composition...

DNA. Ours is: 97% the same as chimps
75% the same as dogs
33% the same as daffodils *

*Does this indicate that a certain segment of humanity has excessive daffodil DNA?

1354 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:23:57am

re: #1245 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - don't have any real arguments with anything you said, but I WILL point out the tremendous weight differential between the M-14 and the M-16 just in terms of ammo.
Try carrying 180 rounds of 7.62 vs. 180 rounds of 5.56 and you'll see what I mean - if you need to travel any sorta distance on foot, carrying your ammo with you, the 5.56 makes a noticeable difference!

1355 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:24:11am

re: #1341 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oh, please. We've all heard of Cyclopes, but who's ever seen a big furry elephant?
/

I saw "Ice Age", does that count?

1356 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:24:31am

The HLIC has awoken --->

1357 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:24:41am
1358 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:24:59am

re: #1351 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Am I the only one who has an irrational loathing of those shoes?

My 18 year old hates them. I have a pair, but I promise I only wear them for yard work!

1359 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:25:24am
1360 winston06  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:25:39am

We need a new thread now ;-)

1361 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:25:55am

re: #1353 GGMac

DNA. Ours is: 97% the same as chimps
75% the same as dogs
33% the same as daffodils *

*Does this indicate that a certain segment of humanity has excessive daffodil DNA?

But nobody has ever found a transitional fossil between a human and a doffodil... I guess that pretty much proves evolution is wrong!

///sarc

1362 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:25:58am
1363 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:26:39am

re: #1252 3 wood
Nope, never had the pleasure of firing that Springfield.
But man-o-man I loved that M-14 (y'all understand that "my" M-14 had been used by probably 100 or more trainees before me and it was STILL extraordinarily accurate).

1364 Dustoff-507  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:26:47am

re: #1354 realwest


Hey buddy, that's what Hueys are for. (-:

1365 shanec99  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:27:01am

re: #1348 Kenneth

In Canadian service, the standard telescopic sight is a 16X Leupold optical sight.


Sounds like that boy can shoot a tic off a steer's behind without disturbing a hair.

1366 Nevergiveup  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:28:08am

re: #1337 tfc3rid

It's to show that Obama reaches across the aisle...

Shit he usually is on the other side of the isle!

1367 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:30:37am
1368 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:30:46am

re: #1365 shanec99

It was quite a feat, not just that one shot but the whole mission. Unfortunately, the whole unit of snipers were attacked and run out of the military following the mission. Makes for sad reading. These men are heroes and they were treated like shit.

1369 fish  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #1353 GGMac

DNA. Ours is: 97% the same as chimps
75% the same as dogs
33% the same as daffodils *

*Does this indicate that a certain segment of humanity has excessive daffodil DNA?

Unfortunately these are the people usually elected to office...

1370 redstateredneck  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:34:45am

re: #1360 winston06

We need a new thread now ;-)

Whadda we need?
A new thread!
When do we need it?
Now!

/Lizard uprising

1371 bcgirl  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:34:52am

hey all how is it going this freaky friday here in the land of O,, in my parallel universe i have started a notebook of broken promises from hopey changey,, someone else says i should go read infowars alex jones i took a quick scan, any lizards read that ,, my "friend" says there is some good stuff in there,, i am not a 9/11 troofer so i already know i won't be reading that but i do like to have lots of resources for my little book, LGF being the major resource of course, the only place to get thru the s**t

1372 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:34:56am
1373 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:36:56am

re: #1297 shanec99
Yeah, Jimmy Webb would make a very good Sec Def, as far as I'm concerned. He's a legitimately highly decorated Vietnam Vet (Marines) and resigned from the Reagan cabinet, iirc, because he couldn't convince them that the Navy NEEDED Marine Amphibious/Helo attack carriers.
His judgment has been subsequently vindicated.
Oh and btw, he IS PROUD to be an AMERICAN.

1374 J.S.  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #1357 buzzsawmonkey

That reminds me of a disturbing "news" clip I saw on CNN. The reporters were, of course, gushing about the creation of yet another government department. The Zero intends to create a Technology Czar...and the reporters were musing about who would be a suitable candidate -- offering up names. One of the proposed candidates was Google's CEO (I hear that he's said, "no thanks") -- but the melding of Big Government with Search Engines, etc. Where's the privacy? Another one of The Zero's proposals is to have everyone's medical records on an electronic database...The obvious problems (very real concerns) are never addressed by the Obamabots...just enthusiastically endorsed.

1375 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:40:44am

re: #1316 Dustoff-507
LOL! So did I! Extremely poor vision in right eye -from birth - and couldn't even zero fire my M-14 right handed!
Ya get so you don't mind those ejected shells, once you have your helmet adjusted properly - just noisy as hell!
How ya doing my friend?!

1376 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:41:38am

re: #1371 bcgirl

Alex Jones is a lying raving paranoid jerk. Avoid his website like the plague. Avoid anybody who reads his website. Pure garbage.

1377 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:41:46am

re: #1305 Iron Fist

I wonder if it's going to be like yesterday? One of these times, it's going to go down and not come back up. Not for a very long time, anyway.

I think it will drop to 7,000 eventually.

1378 wiffersnapper  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:42:49am

"Facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored."

Same could be said about Hillary Clinton.

1379 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:43:10am

re: #1321 redstateredneck
LOL! Yeah word in our basic and AIT companies was "Don't shoot well or they'll send your ass to Vietnam!".
Regrettably, I didn't believe them.
Sigh.

1380 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:44:04am

re: #1372 Iron Fist

They were given U.S. Bronze Stars. Ambassador Paul Cellucci, was eventually allowed to give award them in 2005.

1381 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:44:09am

re: #1326 DeafDog

I wonder if it's going to be like yesterday? One of these times, it's going to go down and not come back up. Not for a very long time, anyway.

The only Republicans that Chicago Machine Democrats will tolerate are lap dog house boys.

1382 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:45:09am

re: #1325 shanec99
Uh, what's a Navy HM ? And I've heard that about the M-4 which I think bears a striking resemblence to the CAR-15.
Hated it when they switched from the 1911 .45's to the nine's though.

1383 [deleted]  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:48:38am
1384 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:50:25am

re: #1153 WriterMom

I've been there, too. One never forgets.

{GGMac}

And for you {WriterMom}. We seem to have a sisterhood here.

1385 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:53:14am

re: #1363 realwest

Nope, never had the pleasure of firing that Springfield.
But man-o-man I loved that M-14 (y'all understand that "my" M-14 had been used by probably 100 or more trainees before me and it was STILL extraordinarily accurate).

Understood.

I did some deer hunting with the .30/06 with a scope.

Sweet piece of iron.

1386 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:53:55am

re: #1383 Iron Fist
Well my problem with the 9's is stopping power. I KNOW that if you hit a guy in the hand with a .45 you'll put his ass on the ground. Period.
Not sure how many times you'd have to hit him in the CHEST with a 9 before he'd go down!

1387 realwest  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:55:03am

re: #1385 3 wood
Hey my friend - didja get my e-mail from last night about tomorrow?!

1388 WrathofG-d  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 9:56:41am

With I had found this yesterday, but it will probably come up at LGF again.
So fitting, and funny. "G-d Bless You"

(*rated PG 13)

1389 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:12:20am

re: #1387 realwest

re: #1385 3 wood
Hey my friend - didja get my e-mail from last night about tomorrow?!

Hold on, give me a minute to check.

1390 3 wood  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:14:33am

Real, OK, got it, will do. It's 12:14 here now, what time is it there?

1391 GGMac  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:34:44am

re: #1268 Ford_Prefect

I mentioned upthread that my daughter was born 10 weeks early and spent 8 weeks in NICU. It was 3 weeks before we were able to hold her. The combination of relief and fear was nearly overwhelming.

You think I'm a strong woman? My good grief, I can't imagine going through what you did - Not being able to hold your daughter? Having to leave her out of your sight? The anguish and fear would be just awful to get through. How long was it till you actually were able to have a restful night's sleep?

Amazing, isn't it - the ways we learn what love means?

{Ford_Prefect}


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