friday drinking thread

about time

Too true, too true.

Wait...Devo is some kind of band, right?

whip it good

Fox says the British PM has asked for a global tax cut.

Is anyone else happy that Obama is talking to The Hill-debeast about a position inside his administration? Personally, I think it'll be the end of her if she accepts.

I always liked, "We're through being cool!"

Somehow seems appropriate for me!

Hehe. Wow, I posted this to the wrong thread:

I seem to recall a lot of people on this forum refused to support Rudy in part because they suspected him of wanting to magically confiscate our guns. Now we have a Dem monopoly with a gun owner's worst nightmare in the White House.

Yep, we're all really gonna want to put our support behind the socons now, huh? Who knows what we can achieve in 2010 with that kind of brain-power?

STS 126 launch is at 6:55pm EST
[Link: ping.fm...]

Beware the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee.....
Artists under attack from Muslim hardliners

“It has started devouring our rich culture. Unless we can collectively stop it, the survival of our arts, sculptures, writings and dramas will be at stake.”
Large groups of Bangladeshi artists – including film-makers, singers and writers – began daily protests last month after authorities removed two newly commissioned sculptures of local folk singers erected outside Dhaka's airport.
A group of Muslim hardliners calling themselves the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee complained that the sculptures were idols, which are strictly forbidden in Islam, and threatened to attack the artwork with power tools.
Buoyed by their removal, hardline Islamists are now demanding that the government erect a minaret honouring Muslim pilgrims at the same airport site.
One of the group's leaders Mufti Fazlul Haq Amini, a former MP, says that he will “demolish all statues” if his party wins the December 18 parliamentary elections.

Heh.

Satisfaction (I Can't Get Me No)

re: #9 sadhu

Thanks for the heads up.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Beware the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee.....
Artists under attack from Muslim hardliners

Heh.

Wow, even the hippies aren't safe from Muslim extremists? No way, man!

re: #8 Salem

Yup, the silly GOP purity tests on abortion and gun control are killing us.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Murderous silliness, or vice-versa.

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

boy am i in the mood to drink opening up another old resputin

re: #9 sadhu

STS 126 launch is at 6:55pm EST
[Link: ping.fm...]

Very cool kick-off for Air Force Week.

re: #9 sadhu

STS 126 launch is at 6:55pm EST
[Link: ping.fm...]

Live feed:
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

Does anyone ever get the impression that it's over, the looters have won.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

Dallas school district engaging in 'official' identify theft of SSN numbers to employ illegals ... to teach our children.

Why do we put up with this sh1t? And look at the bailout mess... its the same basic problem.

Is it beer o'clock yet?

Well the market dropped like a rock at thee end and finished up down 337 tp close at 8,498

Given that the DOW was at about 9,600 the night of the election, that means the market has lost about 11 points or 11.5% since The Messiah got elected.

I know there are many factors involved, but I think Obama's election is part of it. The market is always a bet on the future, which now includes Obama and his big government ideas.

Say what you will about giving the President-elect the benefit of the doubt, so far the market does not like it.

re: #16 yochanan

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

No, thanks. Have one . . . and she's REALLY pregnant.

wonder if we can go to alaska and start over ala ayn rand

re: #8 Salem

I think the first thing conservatives need to do right now is to avoid labels like "RINO" and "socon." The definition of these words is slippery, and all we really know is that they are meant to be pejoratives.

Freedom of Choice

Freedom of choice is what you've got.
Freedom from choice is what you want.

re: #16 yochanan

How Much for the women?

DEVO

Now is their time because it's all going backwards...

Emotion over reason -- check
Fanaticism over deliberation -- check
Style over substance -- check

"We are all sitting down because after 10 years of dealing with promoters in this business it's the only way we can play without pain."

re: #22 Wyatt Earp

as long as you did it

Heck with the cowbell. More anvil!

re: #24 wolfie

amen brother

re: #26 saberry0530

How Much for the women?

"The wife . . . your little girl . . . I want to buy them."

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Beware the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee.....
Artists under attack from Muslim hardliners

“It has started devouring our rich culture. Unless we can collectively stop it, the survival of our arts, sculptures, writings and dramas will be at stake.”
Large groups of Bangladeshi artists – including film-makers, singers and writers – began daily protests last month after authorities removed two newly commissioned sculptures of local folk singers erected outside Dhaka's airport.
A group of Muslim hardliners calling themselves the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee complained that the sculptures were idols, which are strictly forbidden in Islam, and threatened to attack the artwork with power tools.
Buoyed by their removal, hardline Islamists are now demanding that the government erect a minaret honouring Muslim pilgrims at the same airport site.
One of the group's leaders Mufti Fazlul Haq Amini, a former MP, says that he will “demolish all statues” if his party wins the December 18 parliamentary elections.

Oh, fer cryin' out loud!
Give in, and they feel empowered to demand more and more.

I hope some sanity comes back so that governments stop this giving in to the demands of those who are so very easily "offended" by anything.

re: #16 yochanan

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

Is the warranty still good? Maybe you can take her back for a refund.

re: #26 saberry0530

i am willing to pay to ship

“Big question -- what can they (GOP) do about it (becoming a majority party)? Really, not much. The GOP is out of step with a public that is increasingly libertarian on social matters, yet their religious wing won't let them shift on those issues.” – kos, commenting on Tim Pawlenty

Turn flying pig moment, I finally agree with him on something. Seriously, conservatives have to stop letting hot button issues like pro-life / pro-choice and creation / evolution and gay marriage strip off more and more votes from the GOP. I realize many feel strongly one way or another on these hot button issues and they are debated here by people WAY smarter than me, but the divide they are creating is bound to kill the party if it isn’t resolved IMO. Wasn’t our nation founded on the constitution instead of the bible?

re: #23 yochanan

You can get Penguin copies of Atlas Shrugged for about $8. I have given a few out. 'Course I really don't expect them to get read, but who knows.

Punch You In The Eye?

The perfect thing to do tonight.

re: #16 yochanan

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

And so, what are you being?

re: #28 yochanan

as long as you did it

I did, but I won't again. Snipped.

#21 3 Wood

If you're still around maybe you could shoot me an email. Galloping Granny thought that maybe it would be good for us to chat.

re: #16 yochanan

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

Now, now, yoch. Forebearance.

re: #5 debutaunt

Fox says the British PM has asked for a global tax cut.

Ask him to define global.

re: #33 victor_yugo

jewish women you know they are the boss HELP

re: #35 taxfreekiller

tfk knows what I'm talking about, I feel better.

re: #45 yochanan

jewish women you know they are the boss HELP

Are you married to an Israeli?

re: #20 Harry Tuttle

Does anyone ever get the impression that it's over, the looters have won.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

Dallas school district engaging in 'official' identify theft of SSN numbers to employ illegals ... to teach our children.

Why do we put up with this sh1t? And look at the bailout mess... its the same basic problem.

Is it beer o'clock yet?

I just talked to my brother-in-law about this, he lives in Dallas. Here's what he said about this Dallas Independent School District:

The DISD is derided by all that know as being a terribly run school district, virtually no one who can afford otherwise who lives in the DISD sends their children to public school there. More importantly, the DISD's administrators are constantly committing malfeasance and constantly being replaced. These people should go to prison for this, in my view.

re: #47 Ben Hur

SHE ISN'T ISRAELI american born but help me anyway

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Beware the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee.....
Artists under attack from Muslim hardliners

Heh.

Isn't there a statue of limitations for those offenses?
/

re: #16 yochanan

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

Old joke:

Older man finally decides he's gonna buy that Corvette he's always wanted. Gets out onto the interstate and kicks it. He's doing well over 100 mph when he sees the Florida State Trooper's flashers in his mirror.

Pulls over, and the officer comes up to the car.

Officer says, "Look, it's Friday and my shift is almost over. Make ya a deal. You give me an excuse I haven't heard and I'll let it go.'

Older man: "Well officer, about ten years ago my wife ran off with a Florida State Trooper. I was just afraid he was tryin' to bring her back."

Officer: "Have a nice weekend sir."

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Yup, the silly GOP purity tests on abortion and gun control are killing us.

Ironic how we seem to alternate between socon candidates and feeble duplicitous Senate fossils like Dole and McCain. I suppose Jindal will be a lock for the 2012 candidate if that cycle isn't broken.

re: #5 debutaunt

Fox says the British PM has asked for a global tax cut.

I can see all the other heads of state saying "Hmmm...Sounds like an idea. You go first, Mister Prime Minister."

re: #21 3 wood

Given that the DOW was at about 9,600 the night of the election, that means the market has lost about 11 points or 11.5% since The Messiah got elected.

make that "has lost about 1100 points"

It's hard to work and blog at the same time.

re: #36 turn

. . .
Turn flying pig moment, I finally agree with him on something. Seriously, conservatives have to stop letting hot button issues like pro-life / pro-choice and creation / evolution and gay marriage strip off more and more votes from the GOP. I realize many feel strongly one way or another on these hot button issues and they are debated here by people WAY smarter than me, but the divide they are creating is bound to kill the party if it isn’t resolved IMO. Wasn’t our nation founded on the constitution instead of the bible?

I have very strong feelings on all those issues, but I agree with you.

re: #51 subsailor68

roflmao wifie did not thning that was funny

re: #8 Salem

Man, I get so tired of shit about Rudy. The motherfucker didn't run for President. He expected to be coronated, and when that didn't happen, he went home.

Kanye West says he's 'voice of this generation'

LONDON (AP) - Kanye West is to music what Michael Jordan was to basketball—at least that West thinks, in his humble estimation. "I realize that my place and position in history is that I will go down as the voice of this generation, of this decade, I will be the loudest voice," he said in an interview on Wednesday.

"It's me settling into that position of just really accepting that it's one thing to say you want to do it and it's another thing to really end up being like Michael Jordan."

The Grammy-winning rapper-producer said Justin Timberlake had a chance to be music's MVP, but hasn't put out enough material. (Timberlake's last album was in 2006, while West released a CD last year and is releasing his latest—"808s and Heartbreak"—on Nov. 24.)

"There were people who had the potential to do it but they went on vacation, so when Justin went on vacation I made albums," he said. "And it just came out to be that."

West, 31, said life has been difficult since his mother's death. Donda West died last November after having plastic surgery.

"I'm just going through balancing that. And I always used to have that support system, you know. My mom would be there; no matter what, she was there before everything," he said. "We were together for like 30 years. And you know now when I'm on that stage and I look out and I say, 'What am I going to do with the rest of my life?' Like when does a real life start?' Because I have sacrificed real life to be a celebrity and to give this art to people, which is great. It is great that I was able to do that, I'm not trying to shun that in any way, but it's definitely a Catch-22 and it's bittersweet."

Anybody have a pin to pop this SOB's head?

re: #36 turn

“Big question -- what can they (GOP) do about it (becoming a majority party)? Really, not much. The GOP is out of step with a public that is increasingly libertarian on social matters, yet their religious wing won't let them shift on those issues.” – kos, commenting on Tim Pawlenty

Turn flying pig moment, I finally agree with him on something. Seriously, conservatives have to stop letting hot button issues like pro-life / pro-choice and creation / evolution and gay marriage strip off more and more votes from the GOP. I realize many feel strongly one way or another on these hot button issues and they are debated here by people WAY smarter than me, but the divide they are creating is bound to kill the party if it isn’t resolved IMO. Wasn’t our nation founded on the constitution instead of the bible?

It was founded on both.

re: #56 yochanan

roflmao wifie did not thning that was funny

How very odd. Neither did my wife.

:-)

re: #58 jorline

Kanye West says he's 'voice of this generation'

Anybody have a pin to pop this SOB's head?

Kanye West doesn't care about white people.

re: #26 saberry0530

How Much for the women?

Have you read Thomas Hardy's "The Mayor of Castorbridge"? So sad.

re: #61 Wyatt Earp

Kanye West doesn't care about white people.

He sure likes their money, though.

re: #61 Wyatt Earp

Kanye West doesn't care about white people.

better

beer me on my fourth old resputin at 9 % i guess i have to remember the iron fist rule
thank g-d shabos starts in less than a hour

re: #23 yochanan

Current conditions in Anchorage, AK. (Be careful what you wish for.)

Taliban ♥ Obama!

A Matter to Ponder for Obama

“The overwhelming victory of Barrack Obama, the candidate of the Democrats in the US Presidential Election and his assumption of US presidency reveals the collective willingness of American people not to continue the current despicable and anti-human wars in Afghanistan and Iraq --- wars that have been launched by W. Bush. They do not want their children to be fodder of war flames any more. This war, which is the outcome of Bush’s belligerence and warmongering mindset, has resulted in failure both in Afghanistan and Iraq. It had neither a logical standing nor a legal footing to begin with. Despite the huge loss sustained in terms of military hardware and in terms of lives of thousands of US and its ally’s soldiers, it is now facing a historical defeat and disgrace. The USA is now grappling with an enormous and almost irreversible financial system crisis. Washington has lost its previous caliber in the world and its good name has been spoiled. Still more, the loathing and repugnance on the part of the public of the world is accumulating against it.

As in contrast to Bush, Obama had promised that he would not follow Bush’s policy. He had pledged to recover the dwindling American economy and find a niche in the comity of nations. It is, therefore, imperative for Obama to put an end to all the policies being followed by his Opposition Party, the Republicans and pull out US troops from Afghanistan and Iraq forthwith. If Obama and the Democrats would like to follow into the steps of Bush and see their magnanimity in oppressing and subjugating nations and nurture the ambitions of prolonging the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, then it is clear that the fate of the Democrats will be even more shameful and despicable than the Republicans. They will not bring the ship of the downfall of USA safely to the coast of rescue and will not land it securely. It was because of this sky-high expenditure, which is now pushing America to the verge of penury and their economic institutions are melting down. Europe and the rest of the world are pondering to bring about changes in their financial relations with USA.

The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan reminds the newly-elected leadership of USA that the presence of thousands of NATO and US forces in Afghanistan and the policy of intransigence and bellicose neither had any achievement nor brought about security and peace to the people of Afghanistan.”

re: #52 Salem

Ironic how we seem to alternate between socon candidates and feeble duplicitous Senate fossils like Dole and McCain. I suppose Jindal will be a lock for the 2012 candidate if that cycle isn't broken.

Oh, goodness.

My take on Jindal: He makes a better appearance at being a good public executive, than he does doing the actual job of being a public executive.

Don't get me wrong - we here in La. are much better off with Jindal than with Blanco, he has done much right.

But boy howdy - there have been some major screw-ups too, that should not have happened.

re: #49 yochanan

SHE ISN'T ISRAELI american born but help me anyway

Habibi, you got it easy.

Israeli chicks never let up.

re: #40 reine.de.tout

wife being a b'''h anyone what a wife?

And so, what are you being?

Yeesss!

re: #64 saberry0530

better

Ha! I stand corrected.

re: #62 Daisy

Great book... and yes, so sad.

re: #65 yochanan

beer me on my fourth old resputin at 9 % i guess i have to remember the iron fist rule
thank g-d shabos starts in less than a hour

?

re: #55 reine.de.tout

I have very strong feelings on all those issues, but I agree with you.

I see Salem and Kilgore are talking about the same thing. How can this be turned around in time to save the GOP's ass in two years?

re: #58 jorline

He's "sacrificed real life" to be a "celebrity"?

LOLOLOLOL!

How stupid is that?
Being a celebrity IS real life, if that is what you have chosen AND if you have the talent for it.

All he has to do is take himself out of play, if he wants a "real life".

re: #70 Ben Hur

frumie jewish girlies don[t' either HELP

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Yeah, if we were just more like the Democrats we'd win? You are never going to get to the Left of the Democrats, so if that's your plan for winning, you are always going to lose.

Always.

re: #57 Iron Fist

Man, I get so tired of shit about Rudy. The motherfucker didn't run for President. He expected to be coronated, and when that didn't happen, he went home.

Thank you.

re: #74 saberry0530

DRUNK AGAIN.

re: #66 taxfreekiller

take a look in the mirror
looking for an easy out
blame the Republicans

blame one group of Republicans
blame the leaders of the Republicans
blame the religious right of the Republicans

who blames who, and why and how
does that get votes, does that control
the prescient caucus after a primary

if you are there, if you get your group there
if you have a majority there, you will get a say
if you post here on lgf's and other blogs you
will be a well known poster, and you will have
those who agree with you here,

the caucus room, the county convention, the state and national conventions, that is where the facts and votes count

like that

Dude you are like a character in an Ayn Rand book.

And as usual you are right.

re: #77 yochanan

frumie jewish girlies don[t' either HELP

Well, it's a mitzvah to "have relations" on Friday night, so I suggest Black Label and Viagra.

re: #78 Iron Fist
HOW MANY RUSPUTINS DO I HAVE TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE IRON FIST RULE?

HELP ME BROTHER

re: #8 Salem

Hehe. Wow, I posted this to the wrong thread:

I seem to recall a lot of people on this forum refused to support Rudy in part because they suspected him of wanting to magically confiscate our guns. Now we have a Dem monopoly with a gun owner's worst nightmare in the White House.

Yep, we're all really gonna want to put our support behind the socons now, huh? Who knows what we can achieve in 2010 with that kind of brain-power?

Well, here is his proposals in his own words from the Change.gov (pre-deletion) site:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

The repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment means anyone as possible access to gun purchase/ownership records. This permits the loons to file the frivilous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and owners. The amendments forbids the BATFE from releasing these records. The absence of said amendment did not prevent or even delay in any way, LEAs from accessing the data.
The gun show and childproof guns are merely smokescreens to make it harder to by/sell guns of an kind. Depending on the language used, no childproof lock would be adequate. What various governments have referred to as Assault Weapons is in itself a joke. I can almost understand the outlawing of automatic weapons. We all know how many murders and assaults have been committed with automatic weapons (/). As far as I am concerned the only difference between an Assault Rifle and a hunting rifle is appearance. That apparently counts for a lot to these metra-sexuals.

re: #62 Daisy

Have you read Thomas Hardy's "The Mayor of Castorbridge"? So sad.

Long Long time ago..
It's a line from the Blue Brothers movie while they are trying to Put the band back together.

re: #82 Ben Hur

Well, it's a mitzvah to "have relations" on Friday night, so I suggest Black Label and Viagra.

A true "cocktail." Sorry, that was crass.

You only punch yourself out when you start swinging blind.

— Devo

Can Charles quote Devo (= de-evolution) without upsetting creationists?

Diplomats say the U.S. and key allies are objecting to an International Atomic Energy Agency offer to help Syria as it considers building a civilian nuclear power plant.

Party poopers!

MORE LIKE SAT MORNING

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Beware the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee.....
Artists under attack from Muslim hardliners

Heh.

The Buddhist statue debacle all over again from the tolerant religion of peace? Beauty.

re: #83 yochanan

Man, that's a decision only you can make. Sometimes I can't even make it for myself :-)

re: #58 jorline

Who? /

re: #91 Iron Fist
EVIL GRIN HEHE

Today my company started a new wave of layoffs, only 3 let go today. One an 8 year employee, just a few years away from retirement. Another the bane of my existence. Our corp. has mandated 15% layoffs in the coming months.

My future is secure but it's going to be a tough 2009 for everyone. My prayers for everyone in the same boat.

re: #89 yochanan

MORE LIKE SAT MORNING

You've started yelling again.

re: #36 turn

“Big question -- what can they (GOP) do about it (becoming a majority party)? Really, not much. The GOP is out of step with a public that is increasingly libertarian on social matters, yet their religious wing won't let them shift on those issues.” – kos, commenting on Tim Pawlenty

Turn flying pig moment, I finally agree with him on something. Seriously, conservatives have to stop letting hot button issues like pro-life / pro-choice and creation / evolution and gay marriage strip off more and more votes from the GOP. I realize many feel strongly one way or another on these hot button issues and they are debated here by people WAY smarter than me, but the divide they are creating is bound to kill the party if it isn’t resolved IMO. Wasn’t our nation founded on the constitution instead of the bible?

Perhaps stressing federalism is a way to keep everybody in the big tent. The evangelicals really just became a dominant force in the GOP in the eighties/early nineties. They did it right, meaning they showed up in force at local offices and took over things from the grass roots level. They are extremely passionate about abortion and homosexuality, and are resistant to discussing that perhaps those issues should be dealt with at the local and/or state level...but perhaps many of them would be willing to consider the federalist argument. Fred Thompson would perhaps be a good choice to help convince them....I like Michael Steele very much, but in his interview on Hannity's radio show yesterday, he stressed abortion as on of the key pillars that the GOP should use to win back the majority.

Sorry, but he's wrong about that.....especially at the federal level. Even at the state level abortion bans seem to fail when put to the vote.

Some time i would love to look you up

re: #98 yochanan

Some time i would love to look you up

Who?

re: #42 jemima

#21 3 Wood

If you're still around maybe you could shoot me an email. Galloping Granny thought that maybe it would be good for us to chat.

I'm trying but so far you addy is not coming up. I'll keep trying.

re: #82 Ben Hur

Well, it's a mitzvah to "have relations" on Friday night, so I suggest Black Label and Viagra.

Is Black Label kosher?

re: #83 yochanan

All caps and bold is a pretty good indicator that it's time to put down the keyboard. (That way you can drink two-fisted!)

re: #78 Iron Fist

Yeah, if we were just more like the Democrats we'd win? You are never going to get to the Left of the Democrats, so if that's your plan for winning, you are always going to lose.

Always.

Agree 100%.

re: #96 reine.de.tout

sorry i forgot the old internet caps rule FRANKLY I LIKE CAPS

re: #85 saberry0530

Long Long time ago..
It's a line from the Blue Brothers movie while they are trying to Put the band back together.

Really? I'm off to Netflix (there was a copy of the BB in the house .. but where?) - be right back :)

I'm verklempt from all this hopenchanginess.

re: #59 Soona'

It was founded on both.

I was reading some stuff about Lincoln earlier today, I'm no historian believe me. I read he struggled with the separation of the constitution and religion, with Calvinism. I'm not so sure the first GOP president believed it was, or should be, founded on both.

re: #99 reine.de.tout

IRON FIST some how i don't think wifie would let me look up reine de tout

re: #105 Daisy

Really? I'm off to Netflix (there was a copy of the BB in the house .. but where?) - be right back :)

Be on the lookout for the restaurant scene.

re: #106 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm verklempt from all this hopenchanginess.

For someone that promises change from the status quo in D.C., why in the world is he hiring all them old Clinton strap hangers?

re: #42 jemima

It keeps telling me that your name cannot be matched with a name on the address list.

Stupid fat-assed snaggle-toothed loser mouthing off again,

Iraq's al-Sadr renews threats to attack US

Too bad the twerp is in Iran hiding behind the mullahs' skirts while his fighters back in Iraq have been decimated.

3 wood

Sorry, I put it in. Try again please

remember jewish women are the real bosses. i think sometimes they don't even know it. HELP ME BROTHERS.

re: #95 taxfreekiller

We need to find some tea to dump into a harbor somewhere.

No taxation without representation!

A nice story for a drinking thread:

A teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment. Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day the kids came back and one by one began to tell their stories.

'Tony, do you have a story to share?'

'Yes ma'am. My daddy told a story about my Aunt Nancy. She was a pilot in Desert Storm and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory and all she had was a flask of whiskey, a pistol and a survival knife.

She drank the whiskey on the way down so it wouldn't break and then her parachute landed right in the middle of twenty enemy troops. She shot fifteen of them with the gun until she ran out of bullets, killed four more with the knife, till the blade broke, and then she killed the last Iraqi with her bare hands.'

'Good Heavens' said the horrified teacher. 'What kind of moral did your daddy tell you from this horrible story ?'

'Stay the Fuck Away from Aunt Nancy when she's drinking.'

re: #111 3 wood

It keeps telling me that your name cannot be matched with a name on the address list.

Then you blue your name and I'll contact you. I've only been here under this name for about 5 years.

re: #115 Harry Tuttle

Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

I'm going for a beer. Anyone?

3 Wood

See if this helps. (It always worked before.)

re: #118 Harry Tuttle

OLD RESPUTIN RUSSIAN IMPERAL STOUT

re: #120 yochanan

OLD RESPUTIN RUSSIAN IMPERAL STOUT

Right. Gotcha covered.

re: #116 karmic_inquisitor

That one made me laugh out loud.

re: #107 turn

I was reading some stuff about Lincoln earlier today, I'm no historian believe me. I read he struggled with the separation of the constitution and religion, with Calvinism. I'm not so sure the first GOP president believed it was, or should be, founded on both.

In your post you didn't say "religion", you said "the Bible".

re: #121 Harry Tuttle
3 OF THEM AND I AM PICKLED STILL GOT ONE TO GO

re: #109 saberry0530

Be on the lookout for the restaurant scene.

Chez Paul's? Ordered. #36 on my queue. It's worth waiting for.

re: #84 Outrider

Yeah, the "Assault Rifle" thing is pretty much cosmetic. After they get that, the next thing up is "sniper" rifles. They've already made noises about it here and there. They're starting with the .50 caliber weapons. You know, those easily concealable guns that are five feet long and weigh nearly 50 pounds. I've seen the gun controlers described as "Goldilocks" before because no gun is ever just right. They're too big or too small or too cheap or too expensive and on and on.

They will never be satisfied because they don't want to be satisfied. It's not about controlling crime, it is just about control.

We need to learn that compromise will never work with them. They've told us plain enough, but there's always someone that thinks a compromise is a good idea.

It isn't.

re: #108 yochanan

I kinda doubt it, myself :-)

re: #83 yochanan

HOW MANY RUSPUTINS DO I HAVE TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE IRON FIST RULE?

HELP ME BROTHER

Two drinks ago.

Go to bed.

DAMN stuff is great ranks up there with chimay ale

re: #127 Iron Fist

I kinda doubt it, myself :-)

she might be happy i will be out of her hair for some time hehe

re: #128 3 wood
hehe i am in a good mood haven't been since the election

I'm anti-gun control for the US but pro for Canada. Reason is I live in Canada and have a hot temper.

re: #130 yochanan

Have one for me, man. I hadda quit.

re: #126 Iron Fist

Yeah, the "Assault Rifle" thing is pretty much cosmetic. After they get that, the next thing up is "sniper" rifles. They've already made noises about it here and there. They're starting with the .50 caliber weapons. You know, those easily concealable guns that are five feet long and weigh nearly 50 pounds. I've seen the gun controlers described as "Goldilocks" before because no gun is ever just right. They're too big or too small or too cheap or too expensive and on and on.

They will never be satisfied because they don't want to be satisfied. It's not about controlling crime, it is just about control.

We need to learn that compromise will never work with them. They've told us plain enough, but there's always someone that thinks a compromise is a good idea.

It isn't.

Much like many of the comments I'm seeing on this thread about the direction the GOP should go. (By the way, a RINO is a RINO is a RINO, ect.)

re: #116 karmic_inquisitor

re: #124 yochanan

3 OF THEM AND I AM PICKLED STILL GOT ONE TO GO

You startin early bud, jus' chill a while :-)

will do iron fist on my last one will save the chimay ale for later

re: #36 turn

“Big question -- what can they (GOP) do about it (becoming a majority party)? Really, not much. The GOP is out of step with a public that is increasingly libertarian on social matters, yet their religious wing won't let them shift on those issues.” – kos, commenting on Tim Pawlenty

Turn flying pig moment, I finally agree with him on something. Seriously, conservatives have to stop letting hot button issues like pro-life / pro-choice and creation / evolution and gay marriage strip off more and more votes from the GOP. I realize many feel strongly one way or another on these hot button issues and they are debated here by people WAY smarter than me, but the divide they are creating is bound to kill the party if it isn’t resolved IMO. Wasn’t our nation founded on the constitution instead of the bible?

This sounds a lot like the "become your enemy to defeat him" argument. You don't get more people in your organization by lowering your standards. You get more by raising them. McCain certainly didn't get nominated by the socons in the party......just the opposite, and he was a miserable failure. Mediocrity and lack of conservative values in a candidate are why conservatives stay home. And contrary to popular belief, it's not socons who run the Republican party. That's just the party with values closest to their own.

was fun chatting with my son as he was cleaning his m-16

re: #97 funky chicken

Perhaps stressing federalism is a way to keep everybody in the big tent. The evangelicals really just became a dominant force in the GOP in the eighties/early nineties. They did it right, meaning they showed up in force at local offices and took over things from the grass roots level. They are extremely passionate about abortion and homosexuality, and are resistant to discussing that perhaps those issues should be dealt with at the local and/or state level...but perhaps many of them would be willing to consider the federalist argument. Fred Thompson would perhaps be a good choice to help convince them....I like Michael Steele very much, but in his interview on Hannity's radio show yesterday, he stressed abortion as on of the key pillars that the GOP should use to win back the majority.

Sorry, but he's wrong about that.....especially at the federal level. Even at the state level abortion bans seem to fail when put to the vote.

I agree and I really believe people can be civilized and decent and still be atheist, gay and/or pro-choice. I don't think government has a role in encouraging or enforcing traditional values or behaviors, at least at the federal level. The constitution will keep us decent and civilized.

re: #97 funky chicken

The "social" issues should be decided on the state level by legislatures or referenda. They should not be decided by deconstructionist judges imposing their own celestial visions of enlightened morality.

That is where most of the party can come together, IMO.

re: #138 yochanan

was fun chatting with my son as he was cleaning his m-16

What unit?

re: #61 Wyatt Earp

Kanye West doesn't care about white people.

This White person isn't too fond of him, either.

re: #141 Ben Hur

nahal chardi

Went to the grocery store today. I used the restroom & there was a sign on the door that said, "Please be sure that the door is unlocked before exiting."
Can't argue with that, but I would have added, "Please be sure that the door is open before you walk out."

re: #137 eschew_obfuscation

Mediocrity and lack of conservative values in a candidate are why conservatives stay home.

I've heard that over and over in the last few months. But what kind of spoiled brats are the social conservatives if they won't put a little water in their wine and vote for candidates that come closest to their views? Will they be happy with a left-liberal administration? Is cutting off your nose to spite your face part of the conservative value system?

re: #119 jemima

3 Wood

See if this helps. (It always worked before.)

It still does not work for me, but it could be the computer I'm using.

I'll try it later from home.

re: #144 yochanan

nahal chardi

I think you told me that before.

Great!

Kol haKavode!

got a bore snake waiting to send to him
you would think a military would provide that sort of thing wondering if they will charge him duty on the import.

re: #147 3 wood

It still does not work for me, but it could be the computer I'm using.

I'll try it later from home.

Okey dokey. Thanks for trying.

Heads up to you fellows having 'wife problems'

Don't give up. Keep listening. That goes for the song and for the women in your lucky lives.

re: #148 Ben Hur

no problem he seems to be very happy about it.

re: #146 Moe Katz

I've heard that over and over in the last few months. But what kind of spoiled brats are the social conservatives if they won't put a little water in their wine and vote for candidates that come closest to their views? Will they be happy with a left-liberal administration? Is cutting off your nose to spite your face part of the conservative value system?

I don't agree with those choosing to stay home at all! I even like your "spoiled brats" term. In general, you're right....cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
It was stupid in 2006 and it's just as stupid today.

iron fist if your in chi town look me up

"Nothing reveals Mr. Obama's visceral hostility to business more than the constant urging of our best and brightest to desert the productive private sector ('greed') and go in to public service like politics or community organizing (i.e., organizing people to press government for more handouts). Who in his ideal world would bake our bread, make our shoes and computers, and pilot our airplanes is not clear."

-- George Newman, an economist and retired business executive

re: #143 taxfreekiller

I think voting should be your personal responsibility.

You need to care enough to learn the issues and choices and then to get off your but and make your voice heard.

You shouldn't vote to get a boon.

Likewise proactive voter registration should be banned. This can only encourage fraud, these organizations will never be non partisan.

You have the right to vote, either exercise it yourself or lose it.

Howdy.

Well, to me, in spite of the down market and various hassles at work, it's been a Kimberful day.

(Meaning, I am finally in actual possesion of my M1911)

re: #126 Iron Fist

Yeah, the "Assault Rifle" thing is pretty much cosmetic. After they get that, the next thing up is "sniper" rifles. They've already made noises about it here and there. They're starting with the .50 caliber weapons. You know, those easily concealable guns that are five feet long and weigh nearly 50 pounds. I've seen the gun controlers described as "Goldilocks" before because no gun is ever just right. They're too big or too small or too cheap or too expensive and on and on.

They will never be satisfied because they don't want to be satisfied. It's not about controlling crime, it is just about control.

We need to learn that compromise will never work with them. They've told us plain enough, but there's always someone that thinks a compromise is a good idea.

It isn't.

Sadly there can be no compromise. With the anti-gun freaks, it the stereotypical "give an inch, they want a mile". I remember when the Brady law was enacted, the first response of the coalition was to state it was a start.

re: #134 Soona'

If we don't have any core principles, what makes us any different than the Democrats? The complaints that I was hearing were that the candidates were too much alike. I felt that was really unfair to McCain, because he was very fundamentally different than Obama. But he was seen as being to squishy by a lot of the people in my State.

It wasn't our being too Right-wing that cost us. The anti-Gay Marriage position won everywhere it was put forth, including California. What cost us was that we didn't bring the base out. As different as the candidates were, there were a lot of people who stayed home. McCain didn't excite the Party. Palin did, but not enough, it would seem.

And then there was the black vote. The Democrats usually take the preponderance of that, but this time it was almost 100%. I don't know that there was anything that we could have done about that.

re: #156 Harry Tuttle

From the survey at took at the poll, my area is thinking of doing away with voting precincts. Anybody can vote anywhere in town.

Can you imagine the fraud?

re: #139 turn

I agree and I really believe people can be civilized and decent and still be atheist, gay and/or pro-choice. I don't think government has a role in encouraging or enforcing traditional values or behaviors, at least at the federal level. The constitution will keep us decent and civilized.

I think what conservatives want is an end to the federal mandates, either from the congress or the courts. Give us states rights back where it belongs. If an individual finds the morals of any one state to his distaste, then he should just move along to another state with whose values he agrees.

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Well, to me, in spite of the down market and various hassles at work, it's been a Kimberful day.

(Meaning, I am finally in actual possesion of my M1911)

Woot! (whatever that means - the kids seem to think it's good)

Congrats.....now, will they let you buy ammunition that goes "BANG" when you pull the trigger?

Color Me Free

The media and academic establishment of our society seems to be telling us: "America is becoming a minority white nation. People of color are soon to be the majority. Therefore, Obama's policies will become the mainstream."

I don't know and frankly don't care what the race of the majority of Americans happens to be. All I care is that America becomes, once again, a free country. A free country benefits all people "of color." (And, by the way, isn't white a color, too?)

When I hear that America is becoming less white and therefore more socialist (or “progressive” if you prefer the euphemism), I become angry. Why? Because it's insulting to assume that just because someone isn't white that they must be socialist and statist. Maybe most non-whites are socialist, right now. But that doesn't mean it's in their interest, or that they’re right.

Freedom and capitalism and individual rights are in everyone's interest. They're in your interest if you want to be free, to be productive, to work and to think. And even if you don't care to be free, to be productive, to work and to think -- freedom and capitalism are still in your interest. There's no comfort for either the lazy or the productive -- for the intelligent or for the stupid -- in a society where the best and brightest are not allowed to flourish. Everybody needs excellence: Both those who value it, and those who don’t.

This is the lesson that essentially every nation and culture in human history has learned the hard way. America was supposed to be the exception.

I just read today that 68% of my town voted for Obama.
Limousine Liberals.

re: #159 Iron Fist

If we don't have any core principles, what makes us any different than the Democrats? The complaints that I was hearing were that the candidates were too much alike. I felt that was really unfair to McCain, because he was very fundamentally different than Obama. But he was seen as being to squishy by a lot of the people in my State.

It wasn't our being too Right-wing that cost us. The anti-Gay Marriage position won everywhere it was put forth, including California. What cost us was that we didn't bring the base out. As different as the candidates were, there were a lot of people who stayed home. McCain didn't excite the Party. Palin did, but not enough, it would seem.

And then there was the black vote. The Democrats usually take the preponderance of that, but this time it was almost 100%. I don't know that there was anything that we could have done about that.

I fully concur, Sir!

re: #37 Harry Tuttle

You can get Penguin copies of Atlas Shrugged for about $8. I have given a few out. 'Course I really don't expect them to get read, but who knows.

It's a great mystery story.

the hispanic and black vote was very anti gay 75% of the black and hispanic vote voted against the gay admendemnt. problem is race is complex issue.

re: #159 Iron Fist

If we don't have any core principles, what makes us any different than the Democrats? The complaints that I was hearing were that the candidates were too much alike. I felt that was really unfair to McCain, because he was very fundamentally different than Obama. But he was seen as being to squishy by a lot of the people in my State.

It wasn't our being too Right-wing that cost us. The anti-Gay Marriage position won everywhere it was put forth, including California. What cost us was that we didn't bring the base out. As different as the candidates were, there were a lot of people who stayed home. McCain didn't excite the Party. Palin did, but not enough, it would seem.

And then there was the black vote. The Democrats usually take the preponderance of that, but this time it was almost 100%. I don't know that there was anything that we could have done about that.

Not to mention the difficulty of following an 8-year Rep. incumbent when the economy is in catastrophic trouble. Sometimes the pendulum just swings, and it swings blindly.

its only the beginning of change........

re: #97 funky chicken

Perhaps stressing federalism is a way to keep everybody in the big tent. The evangelicals really just became a dominant force in the GOP in the eighties/early nineties. They did it right, meaning they showed up in force at local offices and took over things from the grass roots level. They are extremely passionate about abortion and homosexuality, and are resistant to discussing that perhaps those issues should be dealt with at the local and/or state level...but perhaps many of them would be willing to consider the federalist argument. Fred Thompson would perhaps be a good choice to help convince them....I like Michael Steele very much, but in his interview on Hannity's radio show yesterday, he stressed abortion as on of the key pillars that the GOP should use to win back the majority.

Sorry, but he's wrong about that.....especially at the federal level. Even at the state level abortion bans seem to fail when put to the vote.

I think the issue of abortion should be argued from a federalist perspective.

Before Roe (where rights were created out of thin air) the states regulated abortion. Roe took it away. What is wrong with letting the states decide - especially when the states are the ones on the hook for the consequences.

Roe short circuited democracy, just as the fabrication of a same sex marriage right was fabricated by the courts here. Many who voted for 8 did it because the courts had pissed them off.

The theme for 2010 should be "let us decide". The Democrats are trying to institute "Soft Paternalism" but paternalism is paternalism. Let states make more decisions. Let individuals make more decisions. Get the social engineers in congress and the courts out of the way.

What is the point of fighting for a free country when the federal government appoints itself to make decisions for you?

re: #123 Soona'

In your post you didn't say "religion", you said "the Bible".

Yes, and the bible is a collection of religious writings. I guess I using them synonymously. Do you have a comment about hot button issues?

re: #159 Iron Fist

If we don't have any core principles, what makes us any different than the Democrats? The complaints that I was hearing were that the candidates were too much alike. I felt that was really unfair to McCain, because he was very fundamentally different than Obama. But he was seen as being to squishy by a lot of the people in my State.

It wasn't our being too Right-wing that cost us. The anti-Gay Marriage position won everywhere it was put forth, including California. What cost us was that we didn't bring the base out. As different as the candidates were, there were a lot of people who stayed home. McCain didn't excite the Party. Palin did, but not enough, it would seem.

And then there was the black vote. The Democrats usually take the preponderance of that, but this time it was almost 100%. I don't know that there was anything that we could have done about that.

That and the fact that Mac never really took the offensive where Obama did

Mac could have taken the economic and character issues (and others) much farther and who knows if that would have made a difference. It certainly could have. This election was the republicans to lose and they did so splendidly.

re: #163 gmsc

Because it's insulting to assume that just because someone isn't white that they must be socialist and statist.

Hear hear.

And assuming that Obama's "policies" are a result of his skin color, as the author indicated is a statement being made lately, and that these are also the "policies" of every one of color is insulting and flat out racism.

re: #161 Soona'

I think what conservatives want is an end to the federal mandates, either from the congress or the courts. Give us states rights back where it belongs. If an individual finds the morals of any one state to his distaste, then he should just move along to another state with whose values he agrees.

We already fought a war over that. Remember?

re: #145 opnion

The health and safety kooks are starting to annoy me.

Twice this week I have sent my soup back, because it was served barley warm.
The manager of one place told me it can't be served too hot because of "liability".

Liability, bullshit. I want my damn soup HOT!

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Howdy.

Well, to me, in spite of the down market and various hassles at work, it's been a Kimberful day.

(Meaning, I am finally in actual possesion of my M1911)

Congrats!

re: #158 Outrider

Yep. There really isn't any compromise with them, because they never give anything back. They take what they can get with the intent of coming for more the moment that they can.

We need to be like them. Heller is just the start. We need to keep going until we have all of our rights protected by the State. To the point that no one brings up the possibility of gun control any more than they'd try and reinstitute slavery.

re: #175 whiterasta

Too many Lawyers.

iran fired a test missle just wait for the real thing.

re: #67 joncelli

Current conditions in Anchorage, AK. (Be careful what you wish for.)

It that Celsius?
Concerned in California.

re: #175 whiterasta

Twice this week I have sent my soup back, because it was served barley warm.

I take it you ordered beef and barely soup.

re: #129 yochanan

DAMN stuff is great ranks up there with chimay ale

What the heck are you drinking, Belgian beer? I want some of that. Ha

re: #167 yochanan

the hispanic and black vote was very anti gay 75% of the black and hispanic vote voted against the gay admendemnt. problem is race is complex issue.

I agree with your percentages but I don't agree that voting against gay marriage is anti-gay by definition. One can fully agree with the right to be gay, or even be gay onself, and still not believe that marriage laws should apply.

re: #8 Salem

I seem to recall a lot of people on this forum refused to support Rudy in part because they suspected him of wanting to magically confiscate our guns. Now we have a Dem monopoly with a gun owner's worst nightmare in the White House.

Yep, we're all really gonna want to put our support behind the socons now, huh? Who knows what we can achieve in 2010 with that kind of brain-power?

Realistically, Giuliani wouldn't have wasted any political capital on another national gun ban, regardless of how he conducted himself as Mayor of NYC.

Ultimately, the only one responsible for Giuliani's loss in the primary is Giuliani. His "put all the chips on Florida" was (retrospectively) a flawed strategy.

Had he received the nomination, I suspect that most of the SOCONs would have ultimately rallied around him, the way they did around McCain. You may recall that eight years ago McCain said something bashing the religious right. That (arguably) ended up costing him the State of SC, and the Republican nomination for POTUS. The point is, if the religious right could go back back McCain, why wouldn't they have ultimately backed Giuliani?

But really, who is to say Giuliani would have beaten Obama? He may have. . .he may not have. (Though he certainly WOULD have trashed Obama during the debates. . .all of them).

re: #112 Kenneth

Stupid fat-assed snaggle-toothed loser mouthing off again

Until I clicked, I was sure you meant Huckabee.

re: #181 Moe Katz

Barely... d'oh!

re: #182 turn
today i am doint old reasputin russian impearl stout... ( damn spelling)
almost as good as chimay ale....

re: #175 whiterasta

The health and safety kooks are starting to annoy me.

Twice this week I have sent my soup back, because it was served barley warm.
The manager of one place told me it can't be served too hot because of "liability".

Liability, bullshit. I want my damn soup HOT!

Dang, I'll sign a waiver. Just heat it up.

re: #177 Iron Fist

Yep. There really isn't any compromise with them, because they never give anything back. They take what they can get with the intent of coming for more the moment that they can.

We need to be like them. Heller is just the start. We need to keep going until we have all of our rights protected by the State. To the point that no one brings up the possibility of gun control any more than they'd try and reinstitute slavery.

Yup. What he said.

re: #179 yochanan

iran fired a test missle just wait for the real thing.

My best uneducated guess is that Pooty Poot will start/resume gobbling up countries and Obama will convene NATO or the UN security council and have them issue a harshly worded letter in response.

re: #176 Soona'

Congrats!

Thank you.

Gotta take it to the range this weekend and start breaking it in... the thing is tight as a tick.

personally i doubt the mayor would have won and i liked john mccain too
hard to say who would have been better.

Some of you will appreciate this:

How the GOP lost my vote.

chit is going to hit the fan as joe biden said i will support the military who ever is POTUS.

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Congrats :-)

I had a pic of a cute little Bennelli with a 14" barrel that I was going to put up, but I can't find it. If you 've got to be registered, get something with authority :-)

Saw DEVO at the Del Mar Racetrack two months ago...
They were AWESOME!
Mark Mothersbaugh said something like,
"Here we are surrounded by synthetic turf and horse turds...and you think de-evolution isn't real?
I laughed my ass off.

re: #170 karmic_inquisitor

I think the issue of abortion should be argued from a federalist perspective.

Before Roe (where rights were created out of thin air) the states regulated abortion. Roe took it away. What is wrong with letting the states decide - especially when the states are the ones on the hook for the consequences.

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

re: #161 Soona'

I think what conservatives want is an end to the federal mandates, either from the congress or the courts. Give us states rights back where it belongs. If an individual finds the morals of any one state to his distaste, then he should just move along to another state with whose values he agrees.

At what point do we say let the individual decide vs. the state vs. federal government? It's a tricky thing but when we advocate local control the question always is how local do you want.

re: #175 whiterasta

The health and safety kooks are starting to annoy me.

Twice this week I have sent my soup back, because it was served barley warm.
The manager of one place told me it can't be served too hot because of "liability".

Liability, bullshit. I want my damn soup HOT!

I does get silly. I was looking at end of season gas grills on sale.
More than a few had lablels warning, "Do not use indoors"

re: #197 Charles

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

Isn't that kind of the point of states rights? Don't tread on me.

re: #126 Iron Fist

Yeah, the "Assault Rifle" thing is pretty much cosmetic. After they get that, the next thing up is "sniper" rifles. They've already made noises about it here and there. They're starting with the .50 caliber weapons. You know, those easily concealable guns that are five feet long and weigh nearly 50 pounds.

A "sniper" rifle is any centerfire rifle with a telescopic sight. In other words pretty much EVERY hunting rifle would classify as a "sniper" rifle under any legitimate classification of such. (And in fact, many military sniper rifles essentially are specialized hunting rifles).

As to the horrible .50 caliber guns, those also cost nearly $2000, with rounds at $3 EACH, and so far as I know, there has never been ANY violent crime committed with one in the history of the USA, EVER.

Its literally physically impossible to mug someone with one, and next to impossible to actually rob a bank with one.

The pols are afraid of them for a very simple reason. . ..50 cal rifles in the hands of civilians endanger the gov't monopoly on violence. More to the point, politicans are scared of them, because its far harder to quell civilian resistance if scattered civilians have these weapons.

NO MORE POSTS THANKS TO THE IRON FIST RULE AS WELL AS THE CLOCK

I'm a socon and I'm for letting the states decide on abortion.

re: #199 opnion

I think there is a website out there that features stupid warnings on products.

re: #183 Silhouette

I agree with your percentages but I don't agree that voting against gay marriage is anti-gay by definition. One can fully agree with the right to be gay, or even be gay oneself, and still not believe that marriage laws should apply.

Agreed. The notion that because you endorse traditional values and in this case, marriage, as a concept defined between a man and a woman, does not make "anti-gay." For some like myself, I don't agree with the lifestyle but, I can love the sinner and hate the sin. On a personal note, my brother is gay so I am not unfamiliar to this issue. But my love for him does not ameliorate my own core principles. The notion of "gay marriage is an anathema to me. On many levels, I do not support it. That is a far cry from asking the State to ban their lifestyle - on the contrary, I just don't wan it sanctioned by the State. And I suspect many more agree with this but due to P.C. they have lost their ability to object.

Well, at any rate, it's Obama now. I don't honestly think Jindal will be the next nominee, anyway. It may be Palin, though I'm not certain that would be a good thing. There will be a lot of factors, some of which no doubt are no doubt beyond our knowing at the present.

re: #201 looking closely

AMEN!

re: #137 eschew_obfuscation

This sounds a lot like the "become your enemy to defeat him" argument. You don't get more people in your organization by lowering your standards. You get more by raising them. McCain certainly didn't get nominated by the socons in the party......just the opposite, and he was a miserable failure. Mediocrity and lack of conservative values in a candidate are why conservatives stay home. And contrary to popular belief, it's not socons who run the Republican party. That's just the party with values closest to their own.

Thank you for providing another perspective eschew. How would you characterize "by raising them (standards)". Does this mean we build the base by insisting every conservative be pro-life, anti gay marriage, and a creationist with the notion that only liberals hold opposing viewpoints or beliefs?

re: #204 whiterasta

I think there is a website out there that features stupid warnings on products.

I'm going to look for it. I am at once amused & bemused by some of them.

re: #193 FrogMarch

Some of you will appreciate this:

How the GOP lost my vote.

Why are people so hung up on embryonic stem cell research? At this point, any benefit from it is just speculation, while adult stem cell research has provided real medical benefits and new discoveries have basically obviated the need for embryonic cells.

Perhaps this is why all of the arguments appear to be couched in terms of "stem cell research", leaving off the "embryonic" and ignoring the fact that adult stem cell research is legal and federally funded almost everywhere.

This is just like the "illegal immigration" issue. "illegal" is always left out of the discussion and it becomes all about "immigration".

All attempts to move the goal posts when an argument is losing.

re: #206 Salem

Well, at any rate, it's Obama now. I don't honestly think Jindal will be the next nominee, anyway. It may be Palin, though I'm not certain that would be a good thing. There will be a lot of factors, some of which no doubt are no doubt beyond our knowing at the present.

I like Palin but man there are a lot of battles between here and there at this point.

It's a big shit sandwich and we all gotta take a big bite.

re: #171 turn

Yes, and the bible is a collection of religious writings. I guess I using them synonymously. Do you have a comment about hot button issues?

I can read the Bible and be inspired without being associated with any religion. And as far as "hot buttons" are concerned, if it's not abortion or religion then it will be something else. There have always been items of hot debate in every election. There were hot buttons when Reagen won his landslide victory. Why? Because his conservative message was strong and sure, made with confidence, with no back-tracking or wimping out because some poll showed some focus group of people didn't like what he was saying.

re: #205 wright1

One of the best concise yet comprehensive posts on opposition to gay marriage was posted here by a man who happens to be gay.

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Beware the Anti-Statues Resistance Committee.....
Artists under attack from Muslim hardliners

Heh.

i think it's mark steyn who talks abt this in his book "america alone".
at some point museums and galleries in europe will be pressured to remove or cover paintings and sculpture that are deemed offensive to moslem sensibilities.
this will include masterpieces that have been loved and admired for centuries.
stealth jihad on art is a way to rob people of pride in their culture and diminish the value of their accomplishments.
there will be a lot of calligraphy and tile work to look at if these barbarians get their way.

re: #197 Charles

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

Which makes them the RINOs in my opinion - who are they to impose a religious precept on everyone else? There are many religions where abortion is allowed, Judaism being one. My religion doesn't allow it, but there are many things my religion bans that are legal - like adultery and contraception.

I don't understand how, given all of human history, we still have people thinking that we can use the laws of the state to create a moral population. It doesn't even work in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

re: #193 FrogMarch

Interesting article. Writer could not bring himself to vote Republican...I hope he read this guy's comment:
I can understand some people's disgust with the Republican party. However, both major parties are coalitions of groups with both similar and differing views. The Republican party is a coalition of business people, supporters of free markets, libertarians, 2nd Amendment gun owners, the religious right and other conservatives. The Democratic party is a coalition of liberals, socialists, communists, labor unions, America haters, multiculturalists and minorities that want government handouts.

WELL SAID...

re: #146 Moe Katz

I've heard that over and over in the last few months. But what kind of spoiled brats are the social conservatives if they won't put a little water in their wine and vote for candidates that come closest to their views? Will they be happy with a left-liberal administration? Is cutting off your nose to spite your face part of the conservative value system?

Exactly. I don't really buy into the notion that conservatives are staying home because of these issues, maybe just the socons.

After reading thru the previous thread and watching this video, I think GWB should hold an evening televised speech and announce that his military advisers have informed him of a Iraq victory and he is awaiting their advice on troop withdrawal. Not to be done right away, but sometime before Jan. 15.

re: #197 Charles

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

And if women in such a desperate situation are forced to do that, the socons still come out looking like a bunch of throwbacks.

Here you go:

Stupid warnings....

[Link: mistupid.com...]

re: #195 Iron Fist

Congrats :-)

I had a pic of a cute little Bennelli with a 14" barrel that I was going to put up, but I can't find it. If you 've got to be registered, get something with authority :-)

Yep, unforunately the Black Helicopters know where to find me...

(kidding... I think)

The good news is, while the last time I registered a firearm in DC it took almost 3 months, this time it took, in total, about 2 hours. Much improved.

re: #188 Silhouette

Waiver, Shmaiver.
You can still sue.

re: #197 Charles

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

This may be true, but in converse, the reason why the liberals are against State control there is for the exact opposite reason. Namely, because there would be States that would likely further restrict abortion, or possibly ban it altogether. (Though in practice, abortion isn't readily available in lots of the places that would ban it anyway).

Personally, from my perspective as a voter, this is a non-issue. Support or opposition to abortion isn't by itself a criteria by which I decide whom to vote for.

re: #210 eschew_obfuscation

Why are people so hung up on embryonic stem cell research? At this point, any benefit from it is just speculation, while adult stem cell research has provided real medical benefits and new discoveries have basically obviated the need for embryonic cells.

Perhaps this is why all of the arguments appear to be couched in terms of "stem cell research", leaving off the "embryonic" and ignoring the fact that adult stem cell research is legal and federally funded almost everywhere.

This is just like the "illegal immigration" issue. "illegal" is always left out of the discussion and it becomes all about "immigration".

All attempts to move the goal posts when an argument is losing.

IIRC, embryonic stem cell research is legal, but the federal funding of it is not. If there were any real promise in embryonic stem cells, you'd think some bright young researcher would get private funding and go on to make a mint. In reality, adult stem cells are where they're seeing results.

BTW - banning abortions does not stop abortions.

Here is info on a study which found abortion rates in countries where it is banned to be the same as those where it is legal.

Morality is a matter of the choices we make not the laws we live under.

re: #198 unclassifiable

At what point do we say let the individual decide vs. the state vs. federal government? It's a tricky thing but when we advocate local control the question always is how local do you want.

The Constitution just mentions states. So if the state legislatures want to give control of such things to communities, then it's their business.

re: #161 Soona'

I think what conservatives want is an end to the federal mandates, either from the congress or the courts. Give us states rights back where it belongs. If an individual finds the morals of any one state to his distaste, then he should just move along to another state with whose values he agrees.

I agree 100%. In fact I was going to say that in my original post but thought I would be biting off more than I could chew.

re: #201 looking closely

The pols are afraid of them for a very simple reason. . ..50 cal rifles in the hands of civilians endanger the gov't monopoly on violence.

That line of reasoning has always struck me as a little problematic.

Would we really want, say, Stinger missiles to be freely, legally available to anyone with ready cash? How about nukes? Etc. There is some "line drawing" that comes into play, at some point.

Looks like Gaby Ashkenazi got to much credit, he's heading into Halutz territory! Does he just want to keep his job or what?

re: #208 turn

Thank you for providing another perspective eschew. How would you characterize "by raising them (standards)". Does this mean we build the base by insisting every conservative be pro-life, anti gay marriage, and a creationist with the notion that only liberals hold opposing viewpoints or beliefs?

No. I believe we raise the standards by nominating people who are, at least, fiscal conservatives and, additionally for things like fair immigration policy, and standing up for true diversity of thought and speech, robust support of capitalism, small government, low taxes.

As an aside, I'd mention that I don't think we have, in the last 100 years, found the peak of the Laffer curve, where income tax rates produce the maximum revenue to the government. We've always been on the high (right) side of the curve.

re: #174 victor_yugo

We already fought a war over that. Remember?

Slavery was abolished by a constitutional amendment.

Took my daughter to the Doctor today, since we are new patients we had to fill out all the usual paperwork. One of the questions asked if there were firearms, loaded or unloaded, in the house. I left it blank. WTF kind of question is that for a Doctor ask, why does he need to know?

re: #214 nyc redneck

i think it's mark steyn who talks abt this in his book "america alone".
at some point museums and galleries in europe will be pressured to remove or cover paintings and sculpture that are deemed offensive to moslem sensibilities.
this will include masterpieces that have been loved and admired for centuries.
stealth jihad on art is a way to rob people of pride in their culture and diminish the value of their accomplishments.
there will be a lot of calligraphy and tile work to look at if these barbarians get their way.

As an art lover, I worry about that a lot. If you removed every work with nudity or religious content from the Louvre, for example, all you'd have left are some butt-ugly modern works that look more like vandalism than art, and maybe a couple of still lifes. I am hoping to spend part of my retirement visiting the great cathedrals, palaces and museums of Europe, but I worry they may not be there in 20 or 30 years.

re: #197 Charles

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

Because of my personal convictions, I would like to see abortion banned.

But the hard and real fact of the matter is that the law is what it is, and it will remain. Abortion will not be banned.

Rather than harping on the fact that abortion is legal, it is much better at this point, and more effective, for individual people to live their lives based on their own personal convictions, and this includes doing what they can to promote a "choice of life", if that is what your convictions tell you is correct.

Gay marriage is an issue that, it seems to me, most people do not want to become a fact. It is not a "conservative" issue.

Evolution vs. creationism - those of us who can should ensure that the candidates that are chosen and promoted for election at the local level are people who can think critically about this issue, and come to the right conclusion, that is, science education should be science, and faith issues should remain in the hands of parents, not the schools. Those elected to national office usually have some sort of local experience to begin with - if we ensure those local officials are thinking straight on this, they will filter upward in the party.

re: #197 Charles

Speaking as a staunch pro-lifer who has worked in the pro-life movement with both Catholics and Evangelicals for over fifteen years, I would say that you are making an unijustified sweeping statement about "social conservatives," whoever they are. A solid majority of the people I've worked with on pro-life issue believe the issue should be decided by legislatures on a state level.
I certainly do.

William Ayers on GMA today said that his bombings were not terrorism because he targeted property not people. Interesting though that his bombs were made with dynamite & nails etc. Those are anti personal bombs according to a former FBI agent on FNC.
He also claimed that he only knew Obama like thousands of others in the neighborhood.
In a new afterward on the reissue of his book he describes Obama as "A neighbor & family friend." Which is it?

re: #231 turn

Slavery was abolished by a constitutional amendment.

Well... the amendment was made possible by the war, ya see.

re: #225 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - banning abortions does not stop abortions.

Here is info on a study which found abortion rates in countries where it is banned to be the same as those where it is legal.

Morality is a matter of the choices we make not the laws we live under.

Good point.

re: #197 Charles

The reason why social conservatives and the Dobson/Perkins crowd are opposed to letting states decide on abortion is simple -- because women would then be able to get abortions, by going to a state where they were allowed. This is intolerable to the socons, who want to ban abortion altogether, with no exceptions.

...and then we have the far left (Obama) who have no problem with
partial birth abortion & an end to parental consent for minors.

I agree with PJ O Rourke on this one.

re: #224 doppelganglander

Yes, and Big Pharma would be absolutely THROWING money at it, and they're not.

Any penny-ante investors here? I just opened my first account and I'm thinking of buying some GM stock just for the hell of it. Nothing I wouldn't have pissed away in the bar 25 years ago, mind you. Maybe $100 worth. :D

re: #240 eschew_obfuscation

Yes, and Big Pharma would be absolutely THROWING money at it, and they're not.

DING DING DING! If there were a chance to make money at it, Big pharma and lots of other venture capital folks would be pouring money in. They aren't.

/back to lurking

re: #205 wright1

Not all gays, BTW, are in favor of redefining marriage.
But if you think black conservatives are mistreated,........
Well, let's just say that for some people, in this tolerant moonbat world, expressing an un-PC opinion would be physically dangerous.

re: #234 reine.de.tout

Because of my personal convictions, I would like to see abortion banned.

But the hard and real fact of the matter is that the law is what it is, and it will remain. Abortion will not be banned.

Rather than harping on the fact that abortion is legal, it is much better at this point, and more effective, for individual people to live their lives based on their own personal convictions, and this includes doing what they can to promote a "choice of life", if that is what your convictions tell you is correct.

Gay marriage is an issue that, it seems to me, most people do not want to become a fact. It is not a "conservative" issue.

Evolution vs. creationism - those of us who can should ensure that the candidates that are chosen and promoted for election at the local level are people who can think critically about this issue, and come to the right conclusion, that is, science education should be science, and faith issues should remain in the hands of parents, not the schools. Those elected to national office usually have some sort of local experience to begin with - if we ensure those local officials are thinking straight on this, they will filter upward in the party.

That says it pretty well.

Here's what I want in order;

limited government
strong national defense

Anything beyond that you need to convince me it's worth our money. Some things will be but the less the better.

re: #224 doppelganglander

IIRC, embryonic stem cell research is legal, but the federal funding of it is not.

It's even more qualified than that; federal funding of it is legal, but only with embryonic stem cell lines already in existence at the date Bush signed the relevant Executive Order.

Of course, most lefties are firmly convinced that "Bush banned stem cell research!", and they don't let facts get in their way.

re: #216 CalBear84

Interesting article. Writer could not bring himself to vote Republican...I hope he read this guy's comment:
I can understand some people's disgust with the Republican party. However, both major parties are coalitions of groups with both similar and differing views. The Republican party is a coalition of business people, supporters of free markets, libertarians, 2nd Amendment gun owners, the religious right and other conservatives. The Democratic party is a coalition of liberals, socialists, communists, labor unions, America haters, multiculturalists and minorities that want government handouts.

WELL SAID...

Indeed. and that is the struggle.

totally OT:
For musically-inclined lizards who've ever wanted a portable synth/sequencer for $40 (assuming you've got a DS):

korgds10synthesizer.com

korg ds-10 users & abusers club

re: #228 Occasional Reader

That line of reasoning has always struck me as a little problematic.

Would we really want, say, Stinger missiles to be freely, legally available to anyone with ready cash? How about nukes? Etc. There is some "line drawing" that comes into play, at some point.

Wow! Stinger missiles. Cool!

re: #230 eschew_obfuscation

No. I believe we raise the standards by nominating people who are, at least, fiscal conservatives and, additionally for things like fair immigration policy, and standing up for true diversity of thought and speech, robust support of capitalism, small government, low taxes.

As an aside, I'd mention that I don't think we have, in the last 100 years, found the peak of the Laffer curve, where income tax rates produce the maximum revenue to the government. We've always been on the high (right) side of the curve.

FWIW, it has been my experience in California where the "litmus test" was put in place in 1994 that the litmus test gave us candidates that placed the social agenda well ahead of the fiscal agenda. And it shouldn't surprise anyone - at its core in a person who wants to regulate your morality is someone willing to go along with regulating everything else.

Part of having faith in a democracy is letting people make choices for themselves, even if those choices would damn them to hell.

re: #241 boogberg

Any penny-ante investors here? I just opened my first account and I'm thinking of buying some GM stock just for the hell of it. Nothing I wouldn't have pissed away in the bar 25 years ago, mind you. Maybe $100 worth. :D

Go for it. You could be in line for a government bailout. :)

re: #232 caliredst8r

Took my daughter to the Doctor today, since we are new patients we had to fill out all the usual paperwork. One of the questions asked if there were firearms, loaded or unloaded, in the house. I left it blank. WTF kind of question is that for a Doctor ask, why does he need to know?

Because doctors are experts on gun safety.

Just like the NRA are experts on colonoscopies.

re: #241 boogberg

Any penny-ante investors here? I just opened my first account and I'm thinking of buying some GM stock just for the hell of it. Nothing I wouldn't have pissed away in the bar 25 years ago, mind you. Maybe $100 worth. :D

Just mail me a check for $100 to spread the wealth around.

Not to discourage risk taking, but GM is a black hole. There are other beaten down stocks that will eventually recover and pay you a nice dividend in the meantime.

re: #241 boogberg

and I'm thinking of buying some GM stock just for the hell of it. Nothing I wouldn't have pissed away in the bar 25 years ago, mind you. Maybe $100 worth

I'd do it, if I could get a paper certificate. If nothing else, in 30 years it'll have souvenir value. Or, just maybe, it'll be worth millions! (Once the future, revitalized GM comes out with the Jetsons flying car that runs on "Mr. Fusion")

re: #237 Occasional Reader

Well... the amendment was made possible by the war, ya see.

And a grant from Kelloggs.

/PBS humor

re: #216 CalBear84

Interesting article. Writer could not bring himself to vote Republican...I hope he read this guy's comment:
I can understand some people's disgust with the Republican party. However, both major parties are coalitions of groups with both similar and differing views. The Republican party is a coalition of business people, supporters of free markets, libertarians, 2nd Amendment gun owners, the religious right and other conservatives. The Democratic party is a coalition of liberals, socialists, communists, labor unions, America haters, multiculturalists and minorities that want government handouts.

WELL SAID...

It seems that the religious right scared some folks into running into the arms of the Marxists. Of course the Marxist who won this year had to campaign falsely as a conservative.

re: #248 Soona'

Wow! Stinger missiles. Cool!

Sure, until you see local students from the nearest King Fahd Academy stocking up on them. Not so cool.