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Open | Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:30:00 pm PST

If cats could talk, they wouldn’t.

Nan Porter

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1 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:30:57pm

Cats are smart.

/or my two have me fooled.

2 Tarkus289  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:31:05pm

They can, but don't...

3 Tarkus289  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:33:49pm

It is somehow comforting to have Michelle Malkin smiling at me as I read.

4 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:34:03pm

kitty don't blog

5 pat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:35:01pm

Really. My cat whines constantly. So does my pussy.

6 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:35:55pm
7 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:36:03pm
8 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:36:21pm

re: #3 Tarkus289

It is somehow comforting to have Michelle Malkin smiling at me as I read.

At least she's not wearing braids and a baseball cap in that one.

Not that there is anything wrong with braids and a baseball cap, just that it looks slightly less professional than the other photo.

9 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:36:46pm

Cats talk all da tym

Jus not in hooman langwij

10 wright1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:37:08pm

I always seem to miss that thread change...(reprinted from last thread - thanks Charles, respectfully)

Charles - I just read through the thread(s). I have not been here long enough to know the history behind some of the people recently banned. But it does seem to be more frequent of late. So my question is, are the reigns tightening for what passes for appropriate comment? I am asking because having checked out the site before signing on, I got a handle on your politics and world view. And frankly that is why I tuned in. I sensed that much of your philosophy stemmed from your absolute horror and disbelief at the unfolding spread of violence in the name of Jihad that was being woefully under reported in the media and world in general. And on that count, I would argue that this is one of the commonalities that bind most persons on this site. Other topics have been introduced by you and have taken some degree of prominence. Some of these issues I do not agree with you on. However, I have sensed that contrary opinions do not engender wrath leading to "banning". But, repeated pedantic ones might. We disagree on issues labeled as "religious right issues" and social conservatism and the role of these ideas in politics. We probably also disagree to a degree on the urgency of sounding the alarm bell on the issue of creationism being taught in schools (although I am not too far from your position especially given my recognition of how creeping Sharia is contaminating our institutions in this country and abroad.). I guess my question at the end of this long-winded bloviation is this: where is the line these days? I like the fact that I can make my points, albeit in a cogent and hopefully well-thought out way, but made nonetheless even if I am swimming against the tide. I bear no similarity with Cognito except that I sense not many people agree with a lot of my more conservative/culture of life perspectives. Are my views welcome or am I one frank comment away from becoming extinct (speaking of evolution...). Lastly, asked in sincerity because I like the site a lot.

11 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:37:39pm

re: #3 Tarkus289

re: #8 foxtrotter

Wait 'til you catch the Dr. Helen ad.

Grr...

12 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:40:15pm

re: #8 foxtrotter

At least she's not wearing braids and a baseball cap in that one.

Not that there is anything wrong with braids and a baseball cap, just that it looks slightly less professional than the other photo.

Ah! Now I am only seeing the braids and the baseball cap...

13 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:42:46pm

re: #12 foxtrotter

hit refresh and the pics change. I think.

14 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:43:12pm

re: #11 Noam Sayin'

re: #8 foxtrotter

Wait 'til you catch the Dr. Helen ad.

Grr...

Aaaand...it was there for a moment but disappeared when I refreshed. I'm a little confused as to what I'm supposed to be asking Dr. Helen. I skimmed the link and all I picked up was something about forensic pathology and men's issues.

15 stuiec  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:44:25pm

If cats could talk, they would rat each other out constantly. "HE did it!"

16 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:44:31pm

re: #13 Page

hit refresh and the pics change. I think.

You are correct, and now I am back to the non-braided Michelle Malkin.

So, Page, braids: Hot or not?

17 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:46:15pm

re: #16 foxtrotter

You are correct, and now I am back to the non-braided Michelle Malkin.

So, Page, braids: Hot or not?


In Michelle's case, not so much. In other instances, the jury is still out...

18 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:46:32pm

If cats could talk, they wouldn’t.
Nan Porter apparently didn't have many cats. I got a couple that never shut the hell up. I refer to them as my Democrat caucus.

19 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:47:48pm

For those of you looking for the Inevitable Gun Thread, we've taken over the dregs of the previous thread.

Bye.

20 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:47:59pm

Since it is an open thread ...

One of the collective complaints of the banned is that the banning drive a uniformity of opinion.

It has been my experience here (for something like 5 years) that a lot of the banned tended to act like enforcers and tended to lead their own little clicks who would harp on dissenters. IIRC, these sorts of groups held court in comments during certain hours of the day such that, if you wanted to have an intelligent conversation, you'd log in in the "off hours". It got to where LGF had ideological shifts - not shifts of opinion, but different ideologies would hold court at different 8 hour shifts.

Anyway - I have seen the board get a little less mired in group think lately. Of course, the election being over and having lost plays a big part. But in 2006 there were not the sorts of discussions we are having now because the tone then was more intimidating, IMO. There was no point in posting an unconventional idea if you were going to get 100 people squashing you with the party platform, even if it lost (I remember a truly disturbing exchange I had with BabbaZee which ultimately boiled down to me being wrong despite my arguments because Biblical literalists are always right, even in matters not related to the Bible).

The flip side of all this is that, because this isn't Lord of the Flies anymore, some don't find it as much fun. Can't please everyone, I suppose.

21 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:49:05pm

re: #10 wright1

Charles explained his decision on that particular banning a couple threads back, and has expressed his desire to not get into it again. I suggest you go back and read through the shuttle launch thread. I was rather shocked at first, but upon his explanation, respected his decision.

As for your future posts, feel free to speak your mind. Logic and reason rule the day here. If you're wrong on something, realize someone else here may quite well have specific knowledge and expertise on the subject, and will correct you.

22 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:51:08pm

One bright spot in the economic down-turn, whether manufactured or not, is the fact that they NYT continues to plummet:


"NYT (Class A Common Stock) 7.34 -0.62 (-7.79%) Nov 14 4:05pm ET"

[GP]

The Dow was down 337 points again today.

We're watching the largest post election stock market sell off in history.
Obama's win last week triggered the 12th greatest one-day decline in history.

See: Post-election plunge

23 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:51:32pm

re: #18 Outrider

If cats could talk, they wouldn’t.
Nan Porter apparently didn't have many cats. I got a couple that never shut the hell up. I refer to them as my Democrat caucus.

My last cat talked to me. The scary thing is I understood him, change my litter box, feed me, I want a lap, and give me the damn pillow, all phrases I understood.

24 wiffersnapper  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:51:42pm

and I dance dance dance and I dance dance dance

25 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:52:36pm
26 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:52:40pm

re: #15 stuiec

If cats could talk, they would rat each other out constantly. "HE did it!"



Did not.

Did too.

27 Attaboid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:53:13pm

Cats: Arrogant bastards.

28 suboptimal  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:53:26pm

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

"For us, there's a zero-tolerance policy of adding or subtracting actual content from an image," said Santiago Lyon, the AP's director of photography.

Found in a story on Drudge.

OK, so I don't get out much.

29 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:53:47pm

I keep waiting for some flash of insight. Alas, none is nigh. Probably due to the fact that it is so nice out tonight (68 degrees) I have the windows open, I can smell the sea and am wearing shorts. It is very satisfactory, even extremely so.

30 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:54:47pm

re: #23 jcm

My last cat talked to me. The scary thing is I understood him, change my litter box, feed me, I want a lap, and give me the damn pillow, all phrases I understood.

Well, they ~do~ make it pretty damn obvious what they want. As a rule cats are usually self-maintaining fur bearing critters, but when they want something, they want it now.

31 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:54:51pm

re: #26 Noam Sayin'

Dangit, had a link for that.


Did not.

Did too.


Link doesn't work in that situation, I guess.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

32 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:55:52pm

re: #27 Attaboid

Cats: Arrogant bastards.

mmmmmmm

Arrogant Bastard Ale....

33 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:56:39pm

re: #24 wiffersnapper

and I dance dance dance and I dance dance dance

What are you dancing to this evening?

34 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:56:46pm

re: #14 foxtrotter

Aaaand...it was there for a moment but disappeared when I refreshed. I'm a little confused as to what I'm supposed to be asking Dr. Helen. I skimmed the link and all I picked up was something about forensic pathology and men's issues.

Go to her blog, and ask her yourself.

Sadly, for all of us by Mr. Helen, she's married.

But still, Grr...

35 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:57:17pm

re: #28 suboptimal

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Found in a story on Drudge.

OK, so I don't get out much.

Yeah. I got a kick out of this quote.

"Photo journalists lose their jobs over this," he said.

i can think of a whole bunch of altered photos where no one lost jobs.....no one complained....except LGFers lol

36 stuiec  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:57:24pm

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

Dangit, had a link for that.



Link doesn't work in that situation, I guess.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

Plus waaaay too much "I MEANT to do that!"

37 pat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:57:57pm

I miss the action again. Why the banning talk?

38 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:58:00pm

I guess I should have seen this coming: Dr. Alan Keyes falls for the "Nirth Certifikit" nonsense

39 StudSupreme  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:58:25pm

'Scuse me.

Cats DO talk.

It is YOU who do not understand their language.

;-)

40 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:58:42pm

What with this banning deal? Who got banned? Sorry I have not been able to get on Lgf since a ff3 security up-date. I am now using IE6 on my Frankenstein machine (free old dell dumpster special slapped together with used parts).

41 SummerSong  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:59:16pm

re: #29 rawmuse

I keep waiting for some flash of insight. Alas, none is nigh. Probably due to the fact that it is so nice out tonight (68 degrees) I have the windows open, I can smell the sea and am wearing shorts. It is very satisfactory, even extremely so.

You must be SoCAL coastal? It is a lovely night.

42 wright1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:59:48pm

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

Charles explained his decision on that particular banning a couple threads back, and has expressed his desire to not get into it again. I suggest you go back and read through the shuttle launch thread. I was rather shocked at first, but upon his explanation, respected his decision.

As for your future posts, feel free to speak your mind. Logic and reason rule the day here. If you're wrong on something, realize someone else here may quite well have specific knowledge and expertise on the subject, and will correct you.

I am not afraid of being able to make my points but it seems lately, the very existence of an oppositional idea causes consternation and after that, well... perhaps baning. Having said that, I completely get how things are here and how they have been. It is my sense however lately that their is more of a hair trigger to trounce ideas that are not conforming to either Charles and/or the majority. I can take the debating even when it is acrimonious, but as I said, the line demarking the water's edge seems a bit blurry these days. Frankly, how I put it in my previous post lays out the way I feel.

43 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:02:33pm

re: #24 wiffersnapper

and I dance dance dance and I dance dance dance


I Could Have Danced All Night

44 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:02:36pm

Happy Tree Friends

/whatever

45 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:04:50pm

re: #43 Inquisitive

I Could Have Danced All Night
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Youre lucky. I Can't Dance.

46 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:07:42pm

re: #45 gmsc

Not only can I dance...I can dance on the ceiling!

47 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #46 Page

Not only can I dance...I can dance on the ceiling!

That video has some of the worst sartorial crimes that I have ever seen. And the hair! Ahh!

48 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:11:56pm

re: #5 pat

EXSQUEEZE ME?

49 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:12:53pm

re: #46 Page

Not only can I dance...I can dance on the ceiling!

For me, that would attract too much attention. I wouldn't do that unless I was at a Royal Wedding. If I ever decide to dance, I prefer Dancing With Myself.

50 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:13:05pm

re: #32 jcm

That's some tasty brew.

51 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:14:08pm

Of all the things to get banned on, folks are getting banned on a SHUTTLE LAUNCH THREAD!

I have talked about pot, guns, nuclear weapons, abortion, the Civil War, evolution, DNA, and on and on but a FREAKIN' SHUTTLE LAUNCH THREAD?

52 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:14:45pm

re: #45 gmsc

Youre lucky. I Can't Dance.

I guess it is because.....Your Mama Don't
Dance

53 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:15:06pm

re: #29 rawmuse

re: #22 Ledger1

Yeah but the morons who elected him are still euphoric...
go figure

54 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:15:14pm

re: #47 foxtrotter

That video has some of the worst sartorial crimes that I have ever seen. And the hair! Ahh!

Here's my favorite version of Lionel Richie singing "Hello"!

55 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:16:42pm
56 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:17:03pm

re: #52 Inquisitive

I guess it is because.....Your Mama Don't
Dance

Yep. She thought regular dancing was too dangerous for me. She preferred a Safety Dance.

57 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:17:12pm

Posted over at Ace last night. Scroll to the bottom for a great kitty/FNDT picture.

58 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:17:40pm

re: #52 Inquisitive

I guess it is because.....Your Mama Don't
Dance

Christopher Walken can dance in mid-air...

59 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:18:06pm

re: #54 gmsc

Argh! You beat me to it! But if you want bad hair, and even worse keyboard playing, try and top this gem!

60 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:18:27pm

re: #58 JeremiahRight
Don't you have a sermon to prepare?

61 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:18:40pm

re: #54 gmsc

Here's my favorite version of Lionel Richie singing "Hello"!

I am so sorry that I clicked on that link. Hello is forever ruined for me now!

/okay, didn't like it in the first place and didn't think the awful video could be topped. And yet it was...

62 least  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:19:38pm
63 stuiec  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:19:39pm

re: #53 CalBear84

re: #22 Ledger1

Yeah but the morons who elected him are still euphoric...
go figure

Why shouldn't they be? He hasn't done anything yet, so he hasn't done anything to disappoint them.

Give it at least until Jan. 21....

64 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:19:53pm

re: #59 Page
Ahhh the 80's...music's lost decade.
Hell I thought that song was cool back then.

65 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:25pm

re: #60 CalBear84

Don't you have a sermon to prepare?

Naw naw naw...
... it's in the Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiible!

66 least  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:30pm

re: #56 gmsc

Yep. She thought regular dancing was too dangerous for me. She preferred a Safety Dance.

Too slow, I am.

67 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:33pm

re: #28 suboptimal

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Found in a story on Drudge.

OK, so I don't get out much.

You'd think, for a story that involves manipulation of a photo, the AP would have provided examples of the photo, and point out said manipulation.

Is there another link?

68 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:45pm

My Jack Russell Terrier is the best cat I've ever had.....

69 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:05pm

re: #58 JeremiahRight

Christopher Walken can dance in mid-air...

Walkin' on Air?
;)

70 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:27pm

re: #59 Page

Argh! You beat me to it! But if you want bad hair, and even worse keyboard playing, try and top this gem!

I'm not offended by the hair so much in that clip as I am by the pants. Pleated and pegged!

71 suboptimal  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:27pm

re: #67 Noam Sayin'

You'd think, for a story that involves manipulation of a photo, the AP would have provided examples of the photo, and point out said manipulation.

Is there another link?

None that I'm aware of, sorry.

72 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:29pm

re: #41 SummerSong

You must be SoCAL coastal? It is a lovely night.

San Francisco

73 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:43pm

re: #63 stuiec
I dunno...if I had voted for him and saw the market response I'd have my doubts.

74 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:23:15pm

Dogs are your friends, and would talk if they could.
Cats are secretly plotting against you, and wouldn't talk even if they could , for fear of giving away their nefarious plans.

75 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:23:34pm

re: #67 Noam Sayin'

I thought that was odd also. Saw a couple links but never the photo.
Just put it to the fact the story only works without the photos.

76 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:23:58pm

re: #70 foxtrotter

I'm not offended by the hair so much in that clip as I am by the pants. Pleated and pegged!


You may be the only person in the world to watch that clip, and be looking at what style of pants they are wearing...I mean, don't you see the camera in the mirror? And how he uses two different fingers on two different hands to play the same note? :P

77 SummerSong  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:24:32pm

re: #72 rawmuse

San Francisco

Ahhh. San Francisco :)

78 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:24:57pm

re: #58 JeremiahRight

Christopher Walken can dance in mid-air...

OK, he can dance in mid-air. Can he Walk Like An Egyptian?

79 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:25:56pm

re: #77 SummerSong

This one is so good I don't want to sleep. But, sleep I must.
So, hasta la manana, Lizards.

80 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:25:58pm

Uh Oh, I'm bombed toniht...er tonight.

81 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:26:35pm

re: #79 rawmuse

This one is so good I don't want to sleep. But, sleep I must.
So, hasta la manana, Lizards.

Good night!

82 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:26:41pm
83 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:27:51pm

re: #76 Page

You may be the only person in the world to watch that clip, and be looking at what style of pants they are wearing...I mean, don't you see the camera in the mirror? And how he uses two different fingers on two different hands to play the same note? :P

But none of that is anywhere near as important as those awful pants. Perhaps I've let my hatred of pleated pants on men go too far. It's like when you are thinking about buying a certain type of car and all of a sudden you see it everywhere. I start thinking about how unflattering pleated pants are and it's all I can see when they're in the room.

84 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:21pm

re: #42 wright1

I think there's a wide range of opinion allowed here, so I'm not sure why you would worry over that. I'm also not sure why you would see the line as blurry. We have few unwritten rules around here, but one is that we be decent guests in this house. People who crap in the living room are not welcome. I think what's going on here is some people have different opinions on what crapping is, but I think it's up to the host. He doesn't nor shouldn't have to suffer it.

85 BakaRanger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:27pm

re: #23 jcm

My last cat talked to me. The scary thing is I understood him, change my litter box, feed me, I want a lap, and give me the damn pillow, all phrases I understood.

The sooner you let the cat train you the better the relatiionship will be.

86 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:44pm

re: #82 unclassifiable
BRAVO.
Verrry nice.
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?

87 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:44pm

Looks like the fires moved to Sylmar..

88 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:51pm

re: #80 Maximu§

I believe you are in the right place sir.

89 Salem  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:53pm

re: #44 Killian Bundy

Happy Tree Friends

/whatever

Hey, that's wrong!

90 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:20pm

re: #82 unclassifiable


Dude...why are they killing the young Moonlight Graham? Not cool...

91 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:26pm

re: #56 gmsc

Yep. She thought regular dancing was too dangerous for me. She preferred a Safety Dance.

Well....I guess you'll have to learn some of these....Dance Moves
.....sorry I just couldn't help myself.....

92 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:48pm

re: #88 unclassifiable

Ive been drinking Pomegranate Martini's...with a lemon twist.

93 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:58pm

I have Letterman on in the background because Bill Cosby is on tonight and just caught this:

Top Ten signs youre watching a bad Bond film:
#5 - hot new Bond girl has five kids and a loving husband named Todd

94 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:31:01pm

re: #86 CalBear84

BRAVO.
Verrry nice.
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?

Pierre?

95 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:32:14pm

re: #90 Page

96 Emperor Norton  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:32:32pm

A dog thinks, "He gives me food, he gives me affection, he gives me toys--he must be God."

A cat thinks, "He gives me food, he gives me affection, he gives me toys--I must be God."

97 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:33:21pm

Errr...
As I was saying.
Very nice Page.
Never noticed that was Doc Graham getting whacked.

98 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:34:10pm

re: #94 Outrider

They dont' call it anything...cause of the metric system.

99 sdkruiser  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:34:38pm

If cats could talk they'd complain about the litter box smell too.

100 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:35:09pm

Royale with cheese

101 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:35:56pm

re: #86 CalBear84

BRAVO.
Verrry nice.
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?

What do they call Canadian Bacon in Canada?

102 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #84 Sharmuta

I think there's a wide range of opinion allowed here, so I'm not sure why you would worry over that. I'm also not sure why you would see the line as blurry. We have few unwritten rules around here, but one is that we be decent guests in this house. People who crap in the living room are not welcome. I think what's going on here is some people have different opinions on what crapping is, but I think it's up to the host. He doesn't nor shouldn't have to suffer it.


Exactly. This is Charles' house. And his bandwith. Posting here is not a right. It is a privilege. And Charles has been more than generous over the years. If anyone has anything incredibly important to say that Charles won't allow here, start your own blog.

103 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:37:05pm

re: #93 JeremiahRight

re: #100 JeremiahRight

I'll have a LeBig Mac et une Royale avec fromage

104 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:38:31pm

re: #101 gmsc

What do they call Canadian Bacon in Canada?

Bacon.

105 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:38:41pm

re: #101 gmsc
What?

106 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:40:08pm

re: #103 CalBear84

Check out the big brain on CalBear84!

107 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:40:57pm

re: #96 Emperor Norton

A dem thinks, "The one gives me food, he gives me affection, he gives me toys--he must be God."

A rational person thinks, "I earn/catch/grow my food, I can do things to deserve affection, I buy my toys--I must be Good."

108 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:03pm

re: #101 gmsc

What do they call Canadian Bacon in Canada?

they call it "back bacon"

109 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:25pm

Say WHAT again!
WHAT?
BAM!

110 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:39pm

re: #53 CalBear84

I live in the LA region. To get someone in parts of LA to vote for Obama would only take a carton of cigarettes. ACORN could easily do that.

111 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:58pm

re: #101 gmsc

Back Bacon

112 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:42:55pm

re: #110 Ledger1

I live in the LA region. To get someone in parts of LA to vote for Obama would only take a carton of cigarettes. ACORN could easily do that.

Dang, they were only getting a pack and a ride in Ohio. lol

The cost of being a derelict must be higher in California.

113 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:43:48pm
114 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:44:43pm

re: #108 JeremiahRight

they call it "back bacon"

re: #111 Metal Man

Back Bacon

OK - now how about explaining the Braille on those drive-up ATMs?

115 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:45:07pm

re: #10 wright1

In my 5 or so years here, Charles has been consistent in allowing dissent. There are banned persons that will scream foul at that last statement. Nodrog and ChenZen live an afterlife of self adulation on the supposition that they were banned for being just too damned effective in advancing their arguments. But that is the perspective (and behavior) you'd expect from those who use the web to argue as sport, have inflated self opinions and don't argue fairly (such as refusing to concede any point where they have been proven wrong) in the process. So it isn't just pedantic tone, it also comes down to simply arguing dishonestly.

Now I have to be honest in saying that arguing dishonestly is not always banned - there are plenty here that aren't familiar with formal debate and don't distinguish naked assertions, opinion and fact from each other. They may post their take on something and it may not pass the entry exam for the Oxford debating society, but no one challenges them on it. It simply sits as an orphaned comment. Nothing wrong with that - everyone is entitled to an opinion (even malformed opinion). And if it turns out to be an opinion that supports consensus, who is going to be a prick and say "I agree with you, but your argument is flawed"?

But such people will often attract predators - folks who know their way around debate and will then pick on someone and then shift the argument or the standard of support to simply irritate the other into frustration and some indefensible outburst. Cognito liked doing that by insisting people post "facts" (wherein some might just do that, and he'd sometimes shift the standard of "fact" based on his expertise as a journalist - and he was playing that game with Jindal's acknowledged exorcism when he got banned).

ChenZen and Nodrog (to varying degrees) would do much the same more clumsily in that they'd continually blur assertion and fact and the shift arguments, all sprinkled with insults about how their interlocutors were morally inferior beings.

As for the pantheon of banned folks who "fit the mold" remember that was a self reinforcing mold which started to color public opinion of Charles himself. When this started out, Charles idealistically followed a Laisez Faire policy on comments. You had to pretty much post a credible death threat to get banned, and (prior to registration) a ban didn't mean anything. So the idea that Mr Johnson wants to run a Jonestown like cult here is a bit wild to me having seen what looked more like a yeast culture in the comment section. Those who started to feel emboldened by those around them (as happens in mobs) and would express over-the-top desires to kill large groups of people or kill particular people were initially tolerated. That started to bite Charles in the ass as MSM columnists started harshing the site as an "online Nuremberg Rally" and whatnot. CAIR even started filing complaints with the FBI. Regardless of why, Charles changed the policy and has enforced it since. That banning policy led to the hate sites, which led to more bannings as people tried to play both sides. As the more rabid ideologues got weeded out, they fed more animus and now Charles has to sniff out "friend or foe." In all, it sucks to be Charles Johnson having to put up with the crap, and I think his frustration is showing itself in less patience for ass holes.

Point is, I think you could post any argument "against the grain" relative to a thread that you are honestly willing to support and are prepared to argue fairly. If you argue "with the grain" the standards are lower simply because such arguments don't stand out that much.

As for what Charles posts on, this is just a dude's blog. Photo of a cat? Blog post. New shifter for bike? Blog post. Fatwa against mini skirts? Blog post.

Just remember - If you go to a friend's house and don't like the curtains, compliment them on their kitchen

116 Crux Australis  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:47:08pm

re: #78 gmsc

OK, he can dance in mid-air. Can he Walk Like An Egyptian?

Susanna Hoffs

117 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:47:22pm

re: #114 gmsc

OK - now how about explaining the Braille on those drive-up ATMs?

Drive-up ATM buttons are marked with braille because federal regulations require it. To be specific, section 4.34.4 of the ADA Accessibility Guidelines for Buildings and Facilities (Appendix to Part 1191, 36 CFR Chapter XI, issued pursuant to the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990) says, "Instructions and all information for use [of an automated teller machine] shall be made accessible to and independently usable by persons with vision impairments."

your government at work!

118 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:48:32pm

re: #114 gmsc

OK - now how about explaining the Braille on those drive-up ATMs?

that way the company only has to make one machine for drive-ups and walk-ups; instead of two different face plates.

Now explain why a restaurant mens room has its sign in brail? I asked a manager about that one time and he told me that an employee would tell them where the door and sign was. I asked why couldn't the employee just tell the blind guy which was the male and female.

119 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:49:34pm

re: #114 gmsc

Because blind people don't want to give their PIN# to the driver?

120 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:49:47pm

re: #112 Outrider

Well, those clods in Ohio sell out too easily. They should have ask for at least 5 packs of cigs!

121 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:50:08pm

re: #114 gmsc

re: #117 JeremiahRight


Don't mess with the ADA...lessun you like fines.

122 SummerSong  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:51:50pm
123 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:52:35pm

re: #118 Outrider

If you were blind would you trust a teenager to send you through the right door?

124 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:54:10pm
125 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:56:25pm

Bringing together the "Cat" and "Question" memes:

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

126 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:57:28pm

re: #124 JeremiahRight

Now that's funny :)

127 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:59:24pm

Foxtrotter, if you're still around, this one's for you:

Enjoy.

128 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:00:09am

re: #42 wright1

I am not afraid of being able to make my points but it seems lately, the very existence of an oppositional idea causes consternation and after that, well... perhaps baning. Having said that, I completely get how things are here and how they have been. It is my sense however lately that their is more of a hair trigger to trounce ideas that are not conforming to either Charles and/or the majority. I can take the debating even when it is acrimonious, but as I said, the line demarking the water's edge seems a bit blurry these days. Frankly, how I put it in my previous post lays out the way I feel.

Sorry for the delay - I was answering emails.

Clearly, wright1, you didn't go back and read the thread as I suggested, otherwise you wouldn't be making that statement. I say this as someone who likes mama winger, and joked with her frequently on this forum. Charles noted that she was trashing him on another blog, and was offended by that. Even so, he allowed her to continue to post here. I don't know what went on at the other blog, but if I witnessed it, I would have certainly said something to her about it. I consider her a friend, as I do most of you with whom I communicate with on a near daily basis.

And no, there is not a "hair-trigger" here as to what Charles or the rest of us will accept as acceptable commentary, other than calls for violence or bigotry. If you state something that is bullshit, someone more knowledgeable will call your ass on it. Back up what you say with links to legitimate sources and you'll be just fine. If you're going to play with nut-job conspiracy theories about Obama's alleged muslim heritage, or some bogus issue about his birth certificate (and persist so) you'll be warned, warned, then blocked.

In my mind, no one "played" this blog better than Cognito. I remember when he first came on the scene - fully five months after he originally registered. He was a contrarian from the start, but learned to temper his comments - even make "sympathetic" commentary - in order to stick around and win friends. I saw through his bullshit completely, and was even somewhat frustrated as Charles came close to banning him a couple times, but relented. I always thought he was always an unfaithful debate partner, but respected Charles' decision to keep him around (dude even got a hat tip).

I know you've probably signed off, but as I think about your post, and reasons you may have ignored my suggestion to go back and read through the shuttle thread, I'm growing skeptical of your motivation.

Anyway, it's 2:00 am here, and I must be going. Feel free to catch me on another thread if you wish to continue this conversation.

129 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:00:15am

re: #115 karmic_inquisitor

The notion that LGF is intolerant of debate or dissent is a load of rubbish spewed forth by people who are incapable of behaving themselves, not to mention incapable of making rational arguments.

130 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:07am

I love you to much to ever start liking you, so don't expect me to be your friend.

131 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:25am

re: #123 Metal Man

If you were blind would you trust a teenager to send you through the right door?

Heh. I worked as a security guard in Colorado Springs years ago, and was placed in high crime fast food places a number of times. After watching the teen agers working in those places, I've never eaten in a fast food place again. Answer the question? ;-)>

132 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:38am

re: #125 gmsc

Only for inner city cats.

133 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:43am

re: #71 suboptimal

None that I'm aware of, sorry.

That's kind of where I was going with that. Maybe a 24 hour rule?

134 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:03:22am

re: #124 JeremiahRight

The Restroom Door Said Gentlemen...

funny!

135 Palandine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:03:46am

You see, this is what happens when you're in an undisclosed location for 3 days.

Cognito got the stick? Wow, I'd been waiting for that day for years, and I didn't even feel a disturbance in the Force when it happened. Still, on the day it happened, I was celebrating something else at a bar, so, this pomegranate margarita's for you Charles. Strange, I feel a bit like Wile E. Coyote, when he finally caught the Road Runner and waved the sign that said "what do I do now?" Oh well, it's still like Christmas in November.

I would like to put in a good word for Mama Winger, who is a patriot and a mother of patriots, who worked so hard to try to stop Mr. Obama's election in the face of terrible odds. She's a good person, and I always enjoyed her posts. Still, Charles has an absolute right to moderate his posts however he sees fit, and I'm sure mama winger will do fine wherever she ends up.

136 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:03:58am

re: #125 gmsc

Bringing together the "Cat" and "Question" memes:

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

hmmmm how do you know there isn't? maybe it all is.

137 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:04:39am

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

It also helps that when your BS is called that you own up to it. Finely crafted BS is a thing of beauty but shoddy BS will get you pwned.

138 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:05:49am

re: #131 Outrider

Yes.

139 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:06:35am

Mama Winger got whacked?

140 SummerSong  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:06:49am

re: #130 Salem

I love you to much to ever start liking you, so don't expect me to be your friend.

You Murder me, Salem :)

141 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:07:15am

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

Cognito was a real piece of work, I had a love hate relationship with 'it'.

142 JeremiahRight  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:07:35am

re: #136 Outrider

hmmmm how do you know there isn't? maybe it all is.

right, mouse probably tastes like chicken, and there are tons of chicken flavored cat food. who knows

143 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:07:55am

Amazing what happens when fascists crawl out of the woodwork.

144 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:08:17am

re: #139 Outrider

Yes, again, and this time permanently.

145 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:09:56am

Here's one that just happened: On the Weather Channel they said the Yellowstone National Park was forecasted to hit 0 degrees Fahrenheit on Saturday, and it was expected to be twice as cold on Sunday.

Wouldn't that still be 0 degrees?

146 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:09:58am

I'm always walking after midnight, searching for you.

147 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:09am

re: #125 gmsc

Bringing together the "Cat" and "Question" memes:

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

Dunno.....same reason there isn't ass flavored dog food?

148 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:18am

re: #131 Outrider

Heh. I worked as a security guard in Colorado Springs years ago, and was placed in high crime fast food places a number of times. After watching the teen agers working in those places, I've never eaten in a fast food place again. Answer the question? ;-)>


field sanitation training..... i don't even want to eat at home........

149 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:21am

re: #144 victor_yugo

Yes, again, and this time permanently.

WOW!

150 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:43am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

LMAO

151 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:59am

re: #139 Outrider

Mama Winger got whacked?

That wouldn't be the first time.

152 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:12:54am

re: #139 Outrider
From Watch the Shuttle launch thread.
re: #802 Charles

Mama winger was banned once before for trashing me at other blogs, and she talked me into letting her back in. That's how she repays me, by siding with scumbags and fanatics who hate me.

Disgusting.

Follow up that thread if you need to know more.

153 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:13:37am

re: #115 karmic_inquisitor

I agree with you, but this part of your argument is flawed:

So the idea that Mr Johnson wants to run a Jonestown like cult here is a bit wild to me having seen what looked more like a yeast culture in the comment section.

You inflate wright1's argument to an absurd level. I've never been schooled in debate, but I'm sure this is a logical fallacy of some sort.

;)

Just bustin' yer balls, KI. That was a great post.

154 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:13:47am

re: #140 SummerSong

You Murder me, Salem :)

Silence! That name shall no more!

155 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:14:01am

Major premise A: Marriage is an institution.

Major premise B: Marriage is love.
Minor premise: Love is blind.

Conclusion: Marriage is an institution for the blind.

156 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:14:45am

re: #146 Salem

Not in Detroit you're not.

And you're sure as hell not doing it in Mexico City either.

157 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:16:15am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

Oh! Almost peed my pants on that one.

158 haakondahl  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:16:26am

re: #145 gmsc

Here's one that just happened: On the Weather Channel they said the Yellowstone National Park was forecasted to hit 0 degrees Fahrenheit on Saturday, and it was expected to be twice as cold on Sunday.

Wouldn't that still be 0 degrees?

I guess it'll be -230 F.

159 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:17:25am

re: #155 gmsc

Hell I've entered 2 marriages completely blind so far so that sounds about right to me.

160 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:17:49am

re: #155 gmsc

Does that make divorce like cataract surgery without the anesthesia?

161 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:17:59am

re: #130 Salem

I love you to much to ever start liking you, so don't expect me to be your friend.

Is that an Ashleigh Brilliant?

162 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:18:53am

re: #160 unclassifiable

Does that make divorce like cataract surgery without the anesthesia?

...and with greater expense!

163 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:19:54am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

Dunno.....same reason there isn't ass flavored dog food?

Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives?

164 JeremiahRight  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:20:08am

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

165 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:21:20am

re: #163 gmsc

Wanna find out what's worse that a radioactive cat? Change the litter box. The answer is in there I promise you.

166 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:22:24am

Cognito has been yanking chains at LGF for quite some time, playing cat and mouse with the man. He yanked too hard, one too many times.

167 SummerSong  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:22:29am

re: #154 Salem

Silence! That name shall no more!

I know what I know, if you know what I mean.... ;)

168 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:23:01am

You don't know what it's like to love somebody the way I love you.

169 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:16am

re: #165 unclassifiable

Wanna find out what's worse that a radioactive cat? Change the litter box. The answer is in there I promise you.

According to Daniel Rosen, a dead cat is one of the most deadly weapons known to man.

170 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:36am

re: #152 Metal Man

From Watch the Shuttle launch thread.
re: #802 Charles

Follow up that thread if you need to know more.


Nah, thats enough. Given prior conversations, it was probably over the ID threads. Never thought of her as a "talk behind the back" person.

171 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:48am

re: #141 MrPaulRevere

Cognito was a real piece of work, I had a love hate relationship with 'it'.

Cognito was a Class 1 Asshole. I trusted him initially, but eventually recognized his game. Many may have thought he brought something substantive to this forum, but he was just bullshitting them.

172 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:49am

re: #166 MrPaulRevere

Really not worthy of any more commentary, frankly.

How are you, Archie?

173 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:50am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

Pick the gun you feel the best shooting since hitting the target is more important than caliber between 9mm and .40cal.

174 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:59am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

I'm still trying to decide between 10mm and .41AE

175 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:25:16am

re: #161 itellu3times

Is that an Ashleigh Brilliant?

Some guy. I don't know, I just think that's a funny line. This local radio station I listen to that plays all these square old songs, which I think are cool for some reason.

176 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:26:39am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

I'm still trying to decide between 10mm and .41AE

Well, JeremiahRight, it sounds like Fenway is trying to one-up you!

177 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:26:57am

re: #173 Metal Man

Pick the gun you feel the best shooting since hitting the target is more important than caliber between 9mm and .40cal.

eh. use a grenade. that way no one knows where you are. ;-)>

178 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:28:56am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Doing well thanks. I got over my electoral hangover and am back at full speed. I have 6 hours of overtime lined up tomorrow so I'm a happy camper. Nirvana to a blue collar guy. And yes, 'it' is no longer worthy of commentary.

179 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:28:58am

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

(No offense intended, Sharmuta.)

180 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:29:31am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

Cops use .40 SW almost exclusively. There's a good reason for that - it's the most effective while limiting collateral damage.

Ironically, I'm taking my two 9mm's to the range in about seven hours.

Good night, all.

Cognito still sucks!

181 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:29:37am

re: #179 gmsc

Smurfaphobe! *sob*

182 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:29:41am

re: #148 redc1c4

field sanitation training..... i don't even want to eat at home........

never minded what came at me in the bush. I always figured I had built up the anti-bodies to deal with the little nasties that seemed to always creep into the rations or water. Must have done it.

183 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:30:08am

re: #170 Outrider

My quote was really from Charles where He says she talked smack in other threads/blogs and up that thread was the last straw for him. I've been here long enough to know he doesn't take banning lightly.

184 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:31:05am

re: #183 Metal Man

My quote was really from Charles where He says she talked smack in other threads/blogs and up that thread was the last straw for him. I've been here long enough to know he doesn't take banning lightly.

ah. Understood. Thanks.

185 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:32:24am

re: #179 gmsc

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

(No offense intended, Sharmuta.)

opaque...

all hand guns should start with a "4" or higher......

/white smoke

186 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:32:57am

re: #177 Outrider

Do they sell those at Gander Mountain:(

187 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:33:12am

re: #179 gmsc

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

(No offense intended, Sharmuta.)

re: #181 Sharmuta

Smurfaphobe! *sob*

. . . and that's the story of how gmsc was banned!

188 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:33:55am

re: #183 Metal Man

My quote was really from Charles where He says she talked smack in other threads/blogs and up that thread was the last straw for him. I've been here long enough to know he doesn't take banning lightly.


No he doesn't. Everyone gets enough notice and warnings.
Keeps the food chain thriving though. Reach a threshold of whackies, then open registration again. lol

I'm thinking over the years he has banned more folks than I have ever even had visit my site. ;-)>

189 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:34:08am

re: #178 MrPaulRevere

Overtime is good! I have a feeling in the coming years it will be harder and harder to acquire.

190 Ledger1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:35:46am

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

I went back and read the space shuttle thread. I am somewhat surprised. I know more about the banning now then before.

I did not know Mama winger had been banned before and was bad mouthing Charles on other blogs. I can see why he would be angry. As for Song and dance man, he is always over the top and he is quite religious (Charles is the opposite).

My sense is that now the election is over their will be retailiation against those who supported McCain – as Charles did.

There is a group of hostile websites that watches Lgf and cherry pick posts to show that Lgf is a “hate site.”

I suspect that Charles is under pressure to clean up some of offensive posts. If no clean up occurs, I suspect that Obama’s communication consulting professionals with attack Lgf at every turn.

Charles is located one of the most heavily moonbat populated areas. I can see him being an easy target for retailiation – they did it to Joe The Plumber. Now, that is just my uninformed speculation (I am not up on things and I rarely post).

See LA area graphical popular vote count of USA

191 JeremiahRight  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:35:57am

re: #181 Sharmuta

Smurfaphobe! *sob*

smurf

192 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:36:20am

re: #188 Outrider

It's not the quantity of whacking that makes the man it's the quality.

193 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:37:21am

In the cool cool cool of the evening, tell them we'll be there.

194 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:37:39am

re: #188 Outrider

No he doesn't. Everyone gets enough notice and warnings.
Keeps the food chain thriving though. Reach a threshold of whackies, then open registration again. lol

I'm thinking over the years he has banned more folks than I have ever even had visit my site. ;-)>

i look upon his banning as a Darwinian selection for those most capable of cogent thought.......... i'm just not sure how i survived. %-)

/white smoke

195 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:39:17am

re: #186 Metal Man

Do they sell those at Gander Mountain:(

now that would be nice. Fishing? Get the limit.

Drunks out in the alleyway creating noisy problem? Chuck a grenade down the fire escape-problem solved.

Drunken argument next door? In goes the grenade-out goes the problems.

Smoke grenades would be fun to fool with also-company picnic getting boring? Pop purple and land a news chopper (whose pilot flashed back) in the middle of the 3-legged race. Boring sales meeting? Pop a red and escape under cover.

possibilities abound.

196 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:40:22am

re: #194 redc1c4

I'm guessing all that white cover smoke is the only reason you've survived.

197 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:41:40am

re: #190 Ledger1

Wow- I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think he knows what he wants on his own site, and that backstabbers and those who tolerate them are among the things he doesn't feel the need to allow.

198 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:41:48am

re: #192 Metal Man

It's not the quantity of whacking that makes the man it's the quality.

so-------a quality whacking means the whackee was a quality commenter? or a lousy commenter?

And a lousy whacking means the commenter was a quality commenter?

199 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:41:52am

Who can turn the world on with a smile? Who can take a nothing day and suddenly make it seem worthwhile?

You're gonna make it after all.

200 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:42:05am

re: #195 Outrider

now that would be nice. Fishing? Get the limit.

Drunks out in the alleyway creating noisy problem? Chuck a grenade down the fire escape-problem solved.

Drunken argument next door? In goes the grenade-out goes the problems.

Smoke grenades would be fun to fool with also-company picnic getting boring? Pop purple and land a news chopper (whose pilot flashed back) in the middle of the 3-legged race. Boring sales meeting? Pop a red and escape under cover.

possibilities abound.

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

201 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:42:50am

re: #189 Sharmuta

We are in uncharted economic waters. I'm sucking up every hour of work I can get. In times like these, I remember what one of my grandfathers told me....."Adversity introduces a man to himself".

202 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:44:26am

re: #196 Metal Man

I'm guessing all that white cover smoke is the only reason you've survived.

you are welcome to guess that......and yes, i AM incompetent........

/white smoke

203 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:45:14am

re: #200 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

I used to be real partial to them purple smokes. They were harder for our targets to acquire, thus safer for us. It was easier for pilots to see and ID the purple also. So things went quicker.

204 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:45:26am

Actually, I was shown a used German police-issue SIG 9mm earlier today. Pretty good deal, but I was less than impressed with the sorta wimpy 8-round stick magazine (looked like the grip could've easily accomodated a staggered mag that squoze in a dozen rounds- or at least 8 rounds of something a little more powerful a-la .40S&W or .45ACP.

But then I got to thinking- isn't the IDF gonna retire their Jericho 9mm in favor of the newer, polymer Barak 9mm? (Yes- the only thing named 'Barak' that the Israelis can depend on)...

It really would be a shame if those otherwise-serviceable Jerichos were melted down into scrap metal. I'm hoping that some IDF-surplus ones might be able to find their way over here...

205 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:47:18am

re: #201 MrPaulRevere

We are in uncharted economic waters. I'm sucking up every hour of work I can get. In times like these, I remember what one of my grandfathers told me....."Adversity introduces a man to himself".

I'm looking to cut as much spending from my daily budget as possible.

206 Ledger1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:47:59am

re: #197 Sharmuta

I don't know the real reason. But, retaliation against Charles is certainly a possibility.

207 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:49:13am

If ever I would leave you
It wouldn't be in summer.
Seeing you in summer I never would go.

208 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:49:32am

re: #198 Outrider

Quality is taking the time to be sure it's not just bad grammar or sarcasm that only makes sense to the poster. Quantity is banning everyone that posts something you don't agree with think DKOS.

209 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:49:52am

re: #203 Outrider

I used to be real partial to them purple smokes. They were harder for our targets to acquire, thus safer for us. It was easier for pilots to see and ID the purple also. So things went quicker.

210 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:50:40am

re: #200 redc1c4

Purple Smoke

Cough Hack Wheeze

That seems really complicated redc1c4. Crap where am I? Whats this?

White Cluster

Crap -- burned myself. cough cough. Shit -- gotta get out

Green smoke -- this ain't workin damnit. Hello? Where is every one?

211 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:51:26am

re: #205 Sharmuta

And that's only rational. It common sense. And you are right its about LGF upholding standards. Where Charles lives is irrelevant.

212 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:53:03am

re: #210 unclassifiable

Purple Smoke

Cough Hack Wheeze

That seems really complicated redc1c4. Crap where am I? Whats this?

White Cluster

Crap -- burned myself. cough cough. Shit -- gotta get out

Green smoke -- this ain't workin damnit. Hello? Where is every one?


no worries! it;s all Blue Cannucks fault!

213 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:53:26am

In full disclosure... More questions for prospective Obama Administration members

Thank you for applying to join the Obama Administration. We have just a few remaining questions.
What is your middle name?
List all inappropriate jokes at which you have laughed. Specify whether the laughter was a) wholehearted, b) begrudging, c) ironic.
How many knives do you own? Please specify butter, ordinary, steak, machete switch blade or other.
Do you think you can play guitar?
Can you really play guitar?
Remember that night in college you'd rather forget? Tell us all about it.
Have you ever written a love letter. Please attach.
Have you ever gotten testy with the credit card company's support line in a way that, if revealed, might jeopardize U.S.-India relations? Please describe.
Do you possess any of the following obsessions: 1) comic books, 2) fantasy football, 3) video games. If you circled 2, please describe said fantasy.
In the following ink blot, do you see a) hope, b) change, c) the Obama campaign symbol d) President Obama's head carved into the side of Mount Rushmore, e) other.
How much hope do you have for America under President Obama? Please be expansive.
Have you ever been voted off a reality TV-show. Why?
In his/her adult life, how many times has your spouse been proud of America? a) 0, b) once, on Nov. 4, 2008, c) 2-6 times, d) every day or his/her life.
What's the worst thing you ever said in a breakup fight? Did you take it back? If not, can you please take it back now?
Have you ever sat in a sermon you regretted? If so, why did you continue to sit in the church or synagogue. What, you say it was a mosque? Please see form 13B-iii.
Do you watch America's Next Top Model? What do you think of that guy with the hair?
If Batman, Spiderman and Barack Obama got in a huge fight, describe exactly how the winner would use his superhuman integrity, intelligence, coalition-building skills and discipline to win.
Are you a) a lover or b) a fighter?
If a) how deep is your love?
If b) is Saturday night all right for fighting?
Have you ever failed to disclose something on a disclosure form (including this one) that could prove to be embarrassing? Why not?
Do you like it rough?
Are there any photos circulating of you: a) in compromising positions with men/women other than your husband/wife, b) in a turban or c) with President George W. Bush?
In this questionnaire, are you not not telling everything but the truth?
Are we cool? No, seriously, are we cool? I just need to know we're cool.

214 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:53:47am

re: #207 Salem

Karaoke!

215 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:55:13am

re: #206 Ledger1

See my #84.

216 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:57:17am

Good night folks.

217 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:57:36am

re: #216 unclassifiable

Good night folks.

Good night!

218 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:58:00am

re: #208 Metal Man

Quality is taking the time to be sure it's not just bad grammar or sarcasm that only makes sense to the poster. Quantity is banning everyone that posts something you don't agree with think DKOS.

Yes. I've always gone on the premise, if the author didn't want various viewpoints, the author would have a web site-not a blog.

219 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:58:44am

re: #202 redc1c4

Hell I would take your deployment of white smoke as a proof of competence not the other way round:)

220 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:59:31am

re: #89 Salem

Hey, that's wrong!

/no, this is wrong

221 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:00:36am

re: #218 Outrider

Yes. I've always gone on the premise, if the author didn't want various viewpoints, the author would have a web site-not a blog.

that said, there is a point where someone is just being obtuse or is out to create friction.; in which point they are a liability and just drag things down.

Then, the author does have his own self interests. If racist or hateful stuff is routinely posted, the author gets a bad reputation and reputable people don't come to the site. It quickly turns into chaos, with no benefits derived from coming there.

222 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:01:40am

re: #214 littleoldlady

Karaoke!

Tune that Name!

223 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:01:54am

Cat Prayer

Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray this cushy life to keep.
I pray for toys that look like mice,
And sofa cushions, soft and nice.
I pray for gourmet kitty snacks,
And someone nice to scratch my back,
For windowsills all warm and bright,
For shadows to explore at night.
I pray I'll always stay real cool
And keep the secret feline rule
To NEVER tell a human that
The world is really ruled by CATS!

~ Author Unknown

224 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:02:28am

It's not showtunes, but I hope littleoldlady likes it anyways.

225 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:02:46am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

/no, this is wrong

wonder if they support UGA?

226 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:03:20am

Why Cats are Better than Men

1. A cat always comes in SOBER after being out all night.

2. When a cat goes to the toilet she tries not to leave a trace.

3. You can put a bell around a cat's neck so you know exactly where she is.

4. If you stroke a cat she won't leap on you for sex.

5. You don't mind that much if a cat brings a bird home every night.

6. When a cat comes in at midnight it doesn't wake you up by smashing into the furniture.

7. Cats never pretend they know how to fix the video.

8. Cats don't care what size your boobs are.

9. Cats still love you even when your perm goes wrong.

10. Cats love rubbing up to your legs however much cellulite you have.

11. Cats can be neutered if they stray.

12. If a cat jumps into your lap, a little light petting will satisfy her.

13. It's okay if a cat rubs up against your best friend.

14. If you ask enough times, a cat may actually listen to you.

15. You never have to spend time with your cat's mother.

16. Better chance of training a cat.

17. Cats are cute.

18. A cat is never late for dinner.

19. Cats love to see you come home from shopping with lots of bags!

20. You'll never get a call from you cat's ex-wife.

21. A cat would never leave you for a younger women.

22. Cats treat your mom with respect.

23. Cats don't worry about hair loss.

24. I feels nice to stroke a cats soft, fluffy fur.

25. A cat's friend is less likely to be annoying.

26. Cats can't show love without meaning it.

27. To buy a fancy dinner for a cat only costs 40p

28. Cats actually think with their heads.

29. Unlike a man, a cat can fend for itself.

30. It is legal in all states to neuter a cat.

31. Cats comfort you when you are sick.

32. When a cat sleeps all day it's natural, not annoying.

227 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:03:24am

re: #218 Outrider

Yes. I've always gone on the premise, if the author didn't want various viewpoints, the author would have a web site-not a blog.

I agree but 99% of blogs will never know there is a choice. You can't ban posters that don't post.

228 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:04:06am

Robert Goulet has always sounded like it's coming from some 3 AM phantom universe.

229 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:05:36am

CAT COMMANDMENTS >^,,^

230 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:06:12am

re: #224 Sharmuta

VERY nice! :-)

231 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:06:40am

CAT COMMANDMENTS

1. Thou shalt not jump onto the keyboard when thy human is on the modem.
2. Thou shalt not pull the phone cord out of the back of the modem.
3. Thou shalt not unroll all of the toilet paper off of the roll.
4. Thou shalt not sit in front of the television or monitor, as thou art not transparent.
5. Thou shalt not projectile vomit from the top of the refrigerator.
6. Thou shalt not walk in on a dinner party and commence licking thy butt.
7. Thou shalt not lie down with thy butt in thy human's face.
8. Thou shalt not leap from great heights onto thy human's lap region.
9. Fast as thou are, thou cannot run through closed doors.
10. Thou shalt not reset thy human's alarm clock by walking on it.
11. Thou shalt not climb on the garbage can with the hinged lid, as thou will fall in and trap thy self.
12. Thou shalt not jump onto the toilet seat, just as thy human is sitting down.
13. Thou shalt not jump onto thy sleeping human's bladder at 4 am.
14. Thou shalt realize that the house is not a prison from which to escape at any opportunity.
15. Thou shalt not trip thy human even if they are walking too slow.
16. Thou shalt not push open the bathroom door when there are guests in the house.
17. Thou shalt remember that thou are a carnivore and that houseplants are not meat.
18. Thou shalt show remorse when being scolded.

232 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:06:50am

re: #226 Dustyvet

2. When a cat goes to the toilet she tries not to leave a trace.

/they don't flush

233 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:07:15am

You and I march to the beat of a different drum.

234 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:08:23am

Shucks, I'd better crash. Later guys...

235 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:09:18am

re: #207 Salem

If ever I would leave you
It wouldn't be in summer.
Seeing you in summer I never would go.

Strangely enough, I seem to know all the words to that song.

236 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:09:36am

re: #226 Dustyvet

The real reason cats are better than men they kill mice before you see them.
Which is why as a man I let a cat live in my house.
The dog barks when strangers approach so I keep him too:)

237 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:09:47am

re: #228 Salem

Robert Goulet has always sounded like it's coming from some 3 AM phantom universe.

Well, yeah.

/besides, he's dead...

238 SummerSong  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:10:18am

re: #207 Salem

If ever I would leave you
It wouldn't be in summer.
Seeing you in summer I never would go.

I'm gonna leave you -

239 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:10:36am

Take care all. And keep your chins up.

240 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:11:13am

Did you hear about the cat who drank 5 bowls of water? He set a new lap record.

241 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:13:31am

re: #237 littleoldlady

Well, yeah.

/besides, he's dead...

So they say. 8(

242 DrCruel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:15:44am

I've been on wide open blogs and news groups where the moonbats are allowed to congregate. Sooner or later, in the name of fair and open dialogue, they end up pushing out everyone else. If they ever get in a position to do so, they kick everyone off who doesn't accept their ideological twists and turns.

I'm here because this blog is a proven quantity - this Charles fellow has already caught none other than Dan Rather of CBS out in a Big Lie campaign, and has clipped Reuters more than once - and thus far I rather like the policing that's been done here as well. This membership is a two-way street; if I didn't like what is going on here, I could always go elsewhere. Instead I remain, as clearly do many others.

Others might feel differently, but I for one am glad the riff-raff is kept out. There are plenty of places elsewhere that I can get the opinions of Left-wing fascists, often without any contrary interference allowed whatsoever. So I hope this remains a twit zone for at least the near future.

/rant

243 DrCruel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:17:17am

(...twit-free...)

244 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:17:25am

Oh noes!

/it's a cute bomb!

245 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:19:22am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

/no, this is wrong

Actually, everything you know is wrong!

246 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:22:17am

Interesting to see the greeting Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd received from President George W. Bush on the TV today. Definitely NOT the friendly encounters he had with John Howard.

I wonder what kind of relationship Obama will have with Rudd?

247 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:22:52am

re: #242 DrCruel
Riff Raff?

248 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:32:03am

Wow. That song never killed the thread before...

This one has.

249 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:32:15am

re: #246 Crux Australis

I wonder what kind of relationship Obama will have with Rudd?

/they'll probably swap tasty ear wax

250 the phantom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:34:44am

re: #228 Salem

Robert Goulet has always sounded like it's coming from some 3 AM phantom universe.

Welcome to my world.

251 Irish Rose  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:36:32am

Good evening morning lizards.
Insomnia sucks :).

252 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:39:16am

re: #250 the phantom

Welcome to my world.

Your world...

253 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:39:29am

re: #250 the phantom

Welcome to my world.

Give Mr. Goulet my regards.

254 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:41:30am

Hi, Rose.

255 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:44:48am

Audit: Sharpton campaign owes US nearly $500,000

Federal auditors have concluded the Rev. Al Sharpton's 2004 campaign owes the government nearly $500,000 for illegal donations and other financial improprieties. Sharpton has been feuding with the Federal Election Commission for years over his accounting in his failed run for president, for which he received $100,000 in so-called government matching funds that authorities later concluded he did not deserve because he hadn't followed campaign laws.

/racist auditors!

256 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:45:54am

re: #255 Killian Bundy

Audit: Sharpton campaign owes US nearly $500,000

/racist auditors!

Somewhere a jail cell waits...:)

257 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:47:34am

Insomnia. LGF Style.

/you get used to it ... after a few years.

Rose! :-)

258 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

259 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:00:43am

Fruitcup reigns supreme

260 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:02:06am

re: #258 littleoldlady

Thanks, littleoldlady!

261 the phantom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:02:43am

re: #252 littleoldlady

Open up your mind, let your fantasies unwind,
In this darkness that you know you cannot fight,
And listen to the lizards of the night...

262 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:04:58am

Morning all. Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. did I miss anything?

263 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:07:10am

Fenway! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

Whatever you missed, I missed too.

YouTube's got me in its spell...

264 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:13:49am

Morning Lizards a joke to start your Sat. morning.
A lawyer married a woman who had previously divorced ten husbands.

On their wedding night, she told her new husband, "Please be gentle, I'm still a virgin."

"What?" said the puzzled groom.

"How can that be if you've been married ten times?"

"Well, Husband #1 was a sales representative: he kept telling me how great it was going to be.

Husband #2 was in software services: he was never really sure how it was supposed to function, but he said he'd look into it and get back to me.

Husband #3 was from field services: he said everything checked out diagnostically but he just couldn't get the system up.

Husband #4 was in telemarketing: even though he knew he had the order, he didn't know when he would be able to deliver.

Husband #5 was an engineer: he understood the basic process but wanted three years to research, implement, and design a new state-of-the-art method.
cont..

265 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:14:11am

Husband #6 was from finance and administration: he thought he knew how, but he wasn't sure whether it was his job or not.

Husband #7 was in marketing: although he had a nice product, he was never sure how to position it.

Husband #8 was a psychologist: all he ever did was talk about it.

Husband #9 was a gynecologist: all he did was look at it.

Husband #10 was a stamp collector: all he ever did was... God! I miss him! But now that I've married you, I'm really excited!"

"Good," said the new husband, "but, why?"

"You're a lawyer. This time I know I'm gonna get screwed!"

266 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:19:22am

Seemed quiet so went up thread to see what happened. Seems that red was taking my name in vain again. :)

re: #212 redc1c4

267 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:22:48am

Erik! :-)

Cute.

268 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:28:06am

re: #266 BlueCanuck

Go to the NASA thread and start at about comment 700 to see some fun.

269 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:28:10am

Mark Twain on Cats

Motto: Momma loves morals and Papa loves cats. - Susy Clemens (daughter of Mark Twain)

A cat is more intelligent than people believe, and can be taught any crime. - Mark Twain who was a passionate lover of cats...

Next to a wife whom I idolise, give me a cat - an old cat, with kittens. - Mark Twain in a letter to Olivia Clemens

One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives.

A home without a cat, and a well-fed, well-petted and properly revered cat, may be a perfect home, perhaps; but how can it prove its title?

By what right has the dog come to be regarded as a noble animal? The more brutal and cruel and unjust you are to him the more your fawning and adoring slave he becomes; whereas, if you shamefully misuse a cat once she will always maintain a dignified reserve toward you afterward - you will never get her full confidence again.

Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use.

Never try to teach a cat to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the cat.

The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. Nor upon a cold stove lid.

The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned in no other way.

270 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:29:28am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Trust me I was there when it happened in live technicolor. Kept my head down out of sheer prudence.

271 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:29:51am

re: #256 Dustyvet

Somewhere a jail cell waits...:)

We can dream, can't we?

Ain't gonna happen. He has too many friends in the DP.

272 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:32:17am

re: #258 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Gruess Gott. Wie geht es ihnen?

/channeling my latent Bavarian

273 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:36:07am

re: #272 Steffan

Gruess Gott. Wie geht es ihnen?

/channeling my latent Bavarian

Every third word in Yiddish (Hebrew, French...and every 10th word in Hungarian, none of them clean!)

/sorry. foreign language impaired :-(

I got "Good God! What are we eating now!"

;-)

274 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:37:39am

re: #264 Erik The Red

It's a Saturday Morning Confusion
And if you think you can sleep it's illusion
'Cause you'll probably get a rude intrusion
From Harry the Dog
Harry the Dog is as big as can be
Harry the Dog had puppies last week
We couldn't tell if he was a she
Now we know....
--Bobby Russell

275 srb1976  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:37:44am

Good morning everyone. It's saturday for most everyone else, but it's friday for me! Got fresh coffee and will be off work all next week....does it get any better than that? = )

276 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:38:43am

re: #273 littleoldlady

Every third word in Yiddish (Hebrew, French...and every 10th word in Hungarian, none of them clean!)

/sorry. foreign language impaired :-(

I got "Good God! What are we eating now!"

;-)

The literal meaning is, "God's Greetings. How y'all are?"

:)

277 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:39:35am

re: #276 Steffan

Not even close! LOL!

278 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:40:55am

re: #274 Steffan

Years and years ago, one of my moms friends asked if our dog was male or female. He was a short hair and was currently lying on his back. My dad just pointed and said "It's obvious". The friend turned bright red.

279 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:44:09am

re: #277 littleoldlady

Hey, that's what we were told when I was in Augsburg, and that's what the locals responded to.

If you have better information, I'd like to know it.

280 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:45:06am

The Hunting Dog
Chester and Earl are going hunting. Chester says to Earl, "I'll send my dog out to see if there are any ducks out in the pond. If there aren't any ducks out there, I'm not going hunting."

So he sends the dog out to the pond. The dog comes back and barks twice. Chester says, "Well I'm not going to go out. He only saw two ducks out there."

Earl says, "You're going to take the dog's barks for the truth?" Earl doesn't believe it, so he goes to look for himself. When he gets back he says, "I don't believe it where did you get that dog? There really are only two ducks out there!"

Chester says, "Well, I got him from the breeder up the road. If you want, you can get one from him, too."

So Earl goes to the breeder and says he wants a dog like the one his friend Chester has. The breeder obliges and Earl brings the dog home, tells it to go out and look for ducks. Minutes later the dog returns with a stick in it's mouth and starts humping Earl's leg.

Outraged, Earl takes the dog back to the breeder and says, "This dog is a fraud. I want my money back!"

The breeder asks Earl what the dog did. So Earl tells him that when he sent the dog out to look for ducks, it came back with a stick in its mouth and started humping his leg.

The breeder says, "Earl, all he was trying to tell you was that there are more f**king ducks out there than you can shake a stick at!"

281 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:47:52am

Love this site. An economist who gets it, and doesn't pull punches.

282 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:49:21am

re: #281 BlueCanuck

Love this site. An economist who gets it, and doesn't pull punches.

This is a gem. Thanks for the reference.

283 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:49:58am

Steffan,

I meant I wasn't even close. ;-)
--------------------------------------

Raining AGAIN! :-( And the leaves are falling in order of color; first yellow, now orange, and the red next week.

There's a thunder storm 'a brewin'
And the day is turning gray
There ain't much to say about the weather
The shower stall is leakin'
And the ceiling's fallin' in
And I'm getting twenty bills to every letter

I've got to move myself out to the country
I'm lookin' out for any place at all
I'm gonna spend another fall in Philadelphia

A roving band of youths beat up on Johnny
Everybody's gettin' richer sellin' that dope
Say, the stolen bikes are gathering by the thousands
Along with seven million people without a hope

I guess I have to face the fact as real
I think I feel my back up against the wall
I'm gonna spend another fall in Philadelphia

--- Hall & Oates, Fall in Philadelphia, 1972

Of all the gazillion songs on YouTube, this one's not there. :-(

Substitute.

Good day, ALL!™

284 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:57:13am

re: #283 littleoldlady

Bye littleoldlady. See you tomorrow.

285 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:58:12am
286 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:08:21am

Good morning, y'all.

re: #242 DrCruel

So I hope this remains a twit zone for at least the near future.

Oh, as long as there are open registrations, it will... it will...

/did you mean to include another word there?

287 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:08:35am

re: #283 littleoldlady

Nyet problema.

Here, it's warm, dry, and windy.

Gonna be a not very entertaining weekend.

Friday night

Clear and windy. Low 48F. Winds NE at 20 to 30 mph. Stronger winds in and below canyons and passes.
Saturday

Sunny with gusty winds. High near 85F. Winds NE at 15 to 25 mph. Stronger winds in and below canyons and passes.
Saturday night

Clear skies. Low near 45F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Stronger winds in and below canyons and passes.
Sunday

Mainly sunny. Warm. High 82F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph.
Sunday

Sunshine. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the mid 40s.
Monday

Sunny. Highs in the mid 80s and lows in the mid 40s.

OTOH:

10-Day Forecast

High /Low (°F) Precip. %
Today
Nov 15 Sunny / Wind 85°/45° 0 %
Sun
Nov 16 Sunny / Wind 85°/45° 0 %
Mon
Nov 17 Sunny 85°/44° 0 %
Tue
Nov 18 Sunny 83°/43° 0 %
Wed
Nov 19 Sunny 80°/44° 10 %
Thu
Nov 20 Mostly Sunny 78°/42° 0 %
Fri
Nov 21 Mostly Sunny 76°/42° 10 %
Sat
Nov 22 Cloudy 73°/41° 0 %
Sun
Nov 23 Mostly Cloudy 72°/42° 10 %
Mon
Nov 24 AM Clouds / PM Sun 71°/41° 20

Seems the Old Farmer's Almanac and the Weather Channel agree.

Can't tell you how often that happens.....

I have no weather complaints. :)

The fun part is that at my sister's place in the central part of San Jacinto CA, the wind was strong enough to nearly sweep you off your feet -- strong gale force on the Beaufort scale. Half a mile south of that, there was a fitful breeze, hardly enough to notice. Near my place in Hemet, there was no breeze at all.

288 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:27:41am

re: #263 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

Whatever you missed, I missed too.

YouTube's got me in its spell...

sniff...:*(

289 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:38:58am

It's dead Jim.

/got to go, see you folks later.

290 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:40:41am

Obama adulation around the world.
[Link: www.chinadaily.com.cn...]

Don't click if you have a weak stomach this early in the day.

291 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:43:30am

Good morning, people.

If cats could talk...........

I always wondered what they would SAY. I mean, what have they read? Where have they been?

We used to have a joke in our family that listening to Grandma was like listening the cat, if it could talk.

Coincidentally, my cat this morning issued THE MOST PERFECTLY ARTICULATED "meow" that I have ever heard not enunciated by a human. Just thought I'd mention that.

292 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:01:40am

re: #291 nonic

Good morning, people.

If cats could talk...........

I always wondered what they would SAY. I mean, what have they read? Where have they been?

We used to have a joke in our family that listening to Grandma was like listening the cat, if it could talk.

Coincidentally, my cat this morning issued THE MOST PERFECTLY ARTICULATED "meow" that I have ever heard not enunciated by a human. Just thought I'd mention that.

Aww, the cat was just showing off...:)

293 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:01:51am

Well, I guess I should be grateful my CAT wants to talk to me.

I'll try ya'll another time -- when somebody's awake.

Bye.

294 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:03:46am

re: #292 Dustyvet

Oh! Lookee! There IS someone there!

Well, I'm gonna leave the party to you, anyway. (Clue: There's probably lots of fruitcup left.)

295 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:06:08am

re: #221 Outrider

that said, there is a point where someone is just being obtuse or is out to create friction.; in which point they are a liability and just drag things down.

Then, the author does have his own self interests. If racist or hateful stuff is routinely posted, the author gets a bad reputation and reputable people don't come to the site. It quickly turns into chaos, with no benefits derived from coming there.

You've just articulated the "broken windows" theory of policing that worked so well for NYC. But unlike Mayor Giuliani, our host has an understandably stronger concern that the community here reflects personally on him, especially where he's been vocal in criticizing others for their unsavory associations (i.e. Robert Spencer with European "blood and soil" nationalists, Barack 0bama with well... nearly everyone).

So far as I know, there's never been an occasion where he's felt the need to cloak a commenter with such an extensive history on the site before (usually it's just trolls with less than several dozen comments). But as jaunte alluded to, there's no reason to expect anyone to want to wade through that history separating the wheat from the chaff.

But there's another sort of cloaked history here to consider. Many (including myself) who've been participants here for a long time have no idea which commenters have said what on other sites, one, because we don't read those sites (for the very reasons you articulate above), and two, when the Big Lizard has chosen to give someone a second chance he's been discreet about it. Sometimes he'll post about stuff like that, more often not. No doubt there's a lot of behind the scenes drama and angst that only occasionally bubbles to the surface, and which would make LGF rather dull self-referential reading if it did so all the time. If our host talked about himself as much as Rush Limbaugh does (hi, Rush!), LGF would have a decidedly different tone, to be sure, and wouldn't be nearly so effective.

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:08:20am

re: #16 foxtrotter

You are correct, and now I am back to the non-braided Michelle Malkin.

So, Page, braids: Hot or not?

As long as they are attached to that head, with those brains, does not matter a bit.

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:11:33am

re: #295 Dar ul Harb

Hey Dar. How are ya?

298 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:14:43am

re: #289 BlueCanuck

It's dead Jim.

/got to go, see you folks later.

Well, you see, it's not really dead.

It's only mostly dead.

(Either that, or everyone was waiting for me to finish writing my, er... "Morning Update.")

299 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:16:16am

re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Dar. How are ya?

What, that wasn't enough verbiage for ya? ;)

300 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:16:31am

re: #298 Dar ul Harb

(Either that, or everyone was waiting for me to finish writing my, er... "Morning Update.")

Is that like SNL's Weekend Update only, you know, funny?

301 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:16:53am

See, now it's quiet while folks are reading...

302 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:18:25am

Thus demonstrating how difficult it is to do what Rush Limbaugh does without talking to about yourself.

303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:19:34am

re: #301 Dar ul Harb

See, now it's quiet while folks are reading...

C'mon Dar. Had to go to wiki and look up "broken windows" policy. Then, had to go to the comment you were referencing. Then moved to the one that that one referenced...etc.

Comments that aren't just little silly things (like the things that I post) slow down a busy thread. They downright paralyze a slow one.

304 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:21:15am

re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, at least you didn't go re-read the Shuttle Launch thread...

305 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:26:38am

Hi, and welcome to "Chilling Effects." I'm Dar ul Harb.

This morning's topic: does seeing others get the stick make normally verbose lizards hide under the covers, or talk about cats instead?

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:29:23am

re: #305 Dar ul Harb

I'm normally very verbose, outspoken, etc. People here are smarter than I am. I just make the smart ass comments, give few laughs, but learn a bunch.

Love it here. Even when there's just lil' ole you.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:29:52am

BTW, Dar, your avatar looks like an anime girl in ponytails until you click it.

308 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:33:31am

re: #301 Dar ul Harb

Dar, my feet are wet to my knees, wading from #630 to about #900 on the Space Shuttle thread, and studying with Dew Diligence...

Didn't dew no good... I'd click a "Good soul? Are you insane? READ THIS!" link, and it would pull up a "Deleted Comment"...

But I'll take yr word and our gentle host's, inasmuch as the interpretation of Biblical prophecies in a materialistic way (see "Late, Great Planet Earth") has trivialized and marginalized so much of Christianity, that I remember being chided at times through my life, "Polite people NEVER discuss politics or RELIGION!"

309 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:34:35am

re: #308 Karridine

You can read the quote on the Jarrett thread.

310 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:34:45am

Meow

311 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:35:25am

re: #309 Sharmuta

Ah!

So... thankee kindly, M'um

312 The Other Les  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:38:15am

Obamalam, Day four.

Good Morning!

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:39:33am

What quote is everybody referencing? When I say everybody, I mean both of you. Anyway, is it more the thirty words? Can't read many words my mind begins to wonder.

My Veterinarian said that my dog is a cat in a dogs body. Does that count as owning both?

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:40:45am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My mind also begins to wander.

Sheesh.

315 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:41:17am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A quote from song & dance man.

316 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:44:11am

re: #315 Sharmuta

Jarrett Thread, #113... S&D tries his hand at voodoo-fear-implant.

'Nuff said. That's prima facie evidence of some serious sociopathic traits...

317 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:44:42am

Good Morning Lizards!
What a glorious day..
How is everybody doing today?

318 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:45:43am

re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, Dar, your avatar looks like an anime girl in ponytails until you click it.

And yours looks like the Wells Fargo logo. So there.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:46:12am

re: #317 HoosierHoops

Where in the heck you been. Think we're here to entertain ourselves?

Dance hoop boy! Dance!

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:47:43am

re: #317 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
What a glorious day..
How is everybody doing today?

BTW, Hoosier. Love your avatar picture. Just beautiful. There is nothing prettier than the mountains of Indiana in the misty morning.

321 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:47:48am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where in the heck you been. Think we're here to entertain ourselves?

Dance hoop boy! Dance!

No just us lurkers FBV.

322 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:48:19am

re: #317 HoosierHoops
Woke up, found that I was still looking down at the grass, it's all good (and 60f with lots of sunshine). Good day for an airshow.

323 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:48:34am

re: #316 Karridine

All in all, a pretty..... interesting night last night.

324 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:48:54am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where in the heck you been. Think we're here to entertain ourselves?

Dance hoop boy! Dance!

Gak! just went back a thread to read anound song_dance_man..
what the hell is going on? freaky email he sent charles...

325 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:49:54am

re: #308 Karridine

I remember being chided at times through my life, "Polite people NEVER discuss politics or RELIGION!"

Did you ever get cautioned about putting "too much Baha'i" in your posts here?

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:49:56am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

Will someone copy the damn thing and move it over here?! You know I can't make those stairs!

327 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:51:47am

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, Hoosier. Love your avatar picture. Just beautiful. There is nothing prettier than the mountains of Indiana in the misty morning.

LOL
I wish i had photoshop and could make an avatar..I don't do art..

328 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:52:00am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

Umm- there's more on the Shuttle thread.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:54:07am

re: #327 HoosierHoops

LOL
I wish i had photoshop and could make an avatar..I don't do art..

Tshirt websites have some very funny things, sure you could find something at tshirthell.com, randomshirts.com, thoseshirts.com, etc.

But really. Indiana is known for it's mountainous regions, so, yours is fine, really.

330 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:54:32am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Umm- there's more on the Shuttle thread.

Guess I'll need to go look..It's like a train wreck..you got to watch.
good morning sharm..hope today finds you well

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:55:30am

re: #327 HoosierHoops

I used to go to/through Indiana often, would shock me when I'd see a mill or tall building from 5 or 6 miles away.

332 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:56:45am

This thread?
Not cats.
Catatonic.

333 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:57:00am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tshirt websites have some very funny things, sure you could find something at tshirthell.com, randomshirts.com, thoseshirts.com, etc.

But really. Indiana is known for it's mountainous regions, so, yours is fine, really.

LOL
ok wise guy..I grew up in Napa Valley, went to college there..moved to hawaii for 3 years..Now..do you want to know how the hell i ended up in the middle of a cornfield?
:)

334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:58:06am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

Did you hear that everybody!? Hoosier just called me wise!

335 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:58:28am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

LOL
ok wise guy..I grew up in Napa Valley, went to college there..moved to hawaii for 3 years..Now..do you want to know how the hell i ended up in the middle of a cornfield?
:)


Your weird kids made you move?

336 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:58:31am

Off to make pancakes for the little Harbs, and the lovely Mrs. Harb.

337 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:59:24am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tshirt websites have some very funny things, sure you could find something at tshirthell.com, randomshirts.com, thoseshirts.com, etc.

But really. Indiana is known for it's mountainous regions, so, yours is fine, really.

uuuhhh thanks..you can just borrow art from web sites or do you have to pay?

338 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:00:24am

re: #335 Panhandler

Your weird kids made you move?

Do i talk about my kids too much?
LOL

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:00:47am

re: #337 HoosierHoops

"Borrowing" is very sincere form of flattery. I think Dali's "Columbus Discovers America" would be a very nice avatar.

340 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:02:17am

re: #325 Dar ul Harb

Did you ever get cautioned about putting "too much Baha'i" in your posts here?

No, I was warned not to 'proselytize', which I don't recall EVER having done, but okay, courtesy IS important to me and this IS Charles' blog, so I strive to meet Charles' standard of 'courteous', period. :D

341 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:03:13am

Good morning, Lizards.

342 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:03:17am

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Do i talk about my kids too much?
LOL

Your kids are, I'm sure, the very picture of grace and demeanor. The reference was a subliminal reaction to "cornfield = Children of the Corn"

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:04:10am

re: #341 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess!

344 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:05:01am

Goddesss! How goes the play? Got a spot for an underachieving but likeable grouch?

345 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:05:09am

re: #341 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning Goddess! How about a nice cup of sumatra? extra cream of course

346 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:08:52am

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Coffee, just coffee, sir. Saw an article yesterday on the 10 worst for you popular drinks. Starbucks made the list 3 times.

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:08:53am

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Whats the coffee that is filtered through cat "scat"? More appropriate for this thread, don't you think?

348 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:09:34am

{FBV}
{Panhandler}
{HoosierHoops}

What day brighteners!

The play is coming along, thanks. I'm going in this morning with my tech crew to finalize all the cues. Dress rehearsals start Monday, and the play is next Friday & Saturday.

349 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:10:55am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom

Break a leg, goddess!

350 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:12:29am

Good Morning!

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:12:38am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom

I was the BMOC with the theater geeks in High School.

352 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:13:03am

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

353 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:13:56am

And since Daylight Slaying Time puts me 15 hours ahead of most of y'all, its 8:15 here in dark, suburban, jasmine-scented Saturday-night, Bangkok...

Dew Diligence has left me lymph weak at the knees, and I've only ONE Saturday a week, so I bid y'all fond adieu, parting my hair is such sweet sorrow... I've got a point there...

/when I comb it right, it doesn't show... :D

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:14:08am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

I think part of it is that nature did not truly intend for people to live in parts of CA.

355 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:14:18am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whats the coffee that is filtered through cat "scat"? More appropriate for this thread, don't you think?

mmm i don't know...You know what i like about you? (song title)
Iknow you eat healthy..and i'm a nut case about food..I blame my folks..
No sugar, salt, fat. pork..ect..i could go on...
you are what you eat...
BTW..I'm hoping things pick up for you...

356 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:16:20am

{Sharmuta}
{shay41)

FBV--after I graduated from college, I planned to go to the University of London and earn a masters in acting. That summer, I was offered a teaching job. A classic crossroads. I chose the road not just more traveled but paved, lighted, and with comfort stops. That has made all the difference.

357 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:16:28am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Stupid, and misled by decades of idealistic fairy-tales about Gaia...

/perfect storm coming, with the convergence of a wave of Global Warming hitting a tsunami of Tsocialism and an earthquake of moral equivalence!

358 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:18:27am

re: #350 shay4l

Good Morning!

Back atcha

359 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:19:48am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

Yes, some of it is being caused by enviro whacko thinking. Controlled burns sometimes stop being controlled all on their own, and so would probably not be used in populated areas, but they could use them in other areas, but in response to environmental concerns, they don't use them as much as they could.

Fire is a natural forest "cleaning" process to get rid of all the stuff that's fallen and died. If you don't want these kinds of fires, you've gotta clear the forest some other way. But many environmental folks don't like that idea.

360 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:19:51am

re: #344 Panhandler

Goddesss! How goes the play? Got a spot for an underachieving but likeable grouch?

My wife calls me "Curmudgeon" on her online diary. We'd have to compete for that role.

361 akak  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:20:00am

re: #346 Panhandler

Coffee, just coffee, sir. Saw an article yesterday on the 10 worst for you popular drinks. Starbucks made the list 3 times.

Starbucks losing lotsa stockbucks, what a shame. I'd rather drink 5 hour old office coffee made by a secretary that doesn't drink coffee.

362 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:20:32am

re: #357 Karridine

Stupid, and misled by decades of idealistic fairy-tales about Gaia...
/perfect storm coming, with the convergence of a wave of Global Warming hitting a tsunami of Tsocialism and an earthquake of moral equivalence!

I'm watching CNN and it's a scene right out of Dante's Inferno - just like the last one, and the one before that....
Sheer idiocy.

363 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:22:19am

re: #358 Panhandler

Back atcha

I was so sure! that link would be to the Beatles- Good Morning Good Morning

364 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:22:31am

re: #359 reine.de.tout

The forest fires that burn 4-8 inches of twigs and underbrush are qualitatively different than the fires that burn 24-36 inches of accumulated debris, which then ignites the 15-25 year TREES and starts an explosively treacherous fire!

365 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:22:55am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

Being one that was born and raised in California...
It is a very complex issue...Listen you don't burn down part of napa to try to save it..As a lad living on atlas peak road in Napa...just off the trail for you locals..who knew in '74 some wierdo would set the mountain on fire on purpose?
My first experience with Man causing pain, death and destruction..

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:23:04am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

Got into a show (local/professional) right out of high school. Was going to be the next Gordon MacRae (my style/voice was/is similar). Found out that my talent while comparable to the NY cast that was with me, was not any better.

Then looked around and realized that this NY cast was starving, and began thinking of a job where I could get fat. (I was also an 18 year old homophobe in a cast with 25 men, two of which were straight. I was one of them).

367 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:23:14am

re: #364 Karridine

The forest fires that burn 4-8 inches of twigs and underbrush are qualitatively different than the fires that burn 24-36 inches of accumulated debris, which then ignites the 15-25 year TREES and starts an explosively treacherous fire!

good explanation, thanks

368 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:24:01am

re: #363 shay4l

I was so sure! that link would be to the Beatles- Good Morning Good Morning

Some people realize that there was indeed music being written and performed before the Beatles, they are dwindling in number though.

369 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:24:10am

re: #362 Spare O'Lake

I fear, Spare, we are in for a period where 'Sheer Idiocy' is the Order of the Day!

/not funning, not joking... dang

370 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:24:12am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}
{shay41)

FBV--after I graduated from college, I planned to go to the University of London and earn a masters in acting. That summer, I was offered a teaching job. A classic crossroads. I chose the road not just more traveled but paved, lighted, and with comfort stops. That has made all the difference.

But...you ended up a goddess

371 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:25:37am

re: #364 Karridine

The forest fires that burn 4-8 inches of twigs and underbrush are qualitatively different than the fires that burn 24-36 inches of accumulated debris, which then ignites the 15-25 year TREES and starts an explosively treacherous fire!

That makes too much sense. The lefties would never go for it.

372 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:26:01am

re: #365 HoosierHoops

Hoops, my family used to live at the Home in Yountville... we dug up Civil War clay pipes and glass bedpans and ink-bottles...

373 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:06am

re: #371 shay4l

That makes too much sense. The lefties would never go for it.

Laughing, tearfully, at the painful truth of what you say, Shay!

374 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:19am

re: #370 shay4l

But...you ended up a goddess

That is so dear!

I have no regrets--I know that teaching is what I was meant to do.

375 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:51am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I gots to know, I just gots to know - When a prospective employer asks you for your CV, do you just write down "Chubby Vegan" or do you "pad" it a bit?

376 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:53am

re: #372 Karridine

glass bedpans

Yoiks...sounds kinda risky! LOLOL.

377 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:30:58am

re: #368 Panhandler

Some people realize that there was indeed music being written and performed before the Beatles, they are dwindling in number though.

It's only natural. I've heard the Beatles song hundreds of times and only watched Singin in the Rain maybe 3 times.

In my defense, I actually do realize there were people making "music" before the Beatles. (Some of them may actually have been as good, but I'm not sure.) John Lennon did not put strings on a piece of wood and create the guitar, after all.

378 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:31:50am

re: #372 Karridine

Hoops, my family used to live at the Home in Yountville... we dug up Civil War clay pipes and glass bedpans and ink-bottles...

OMG...I grew up exactly 1.5 miles from the home..( trust me..it was 1.5 miles)
I used to hang around that place as a kid just to hear all the war stories..
Those old f*cks probably influenced my life more than anyone else in my life.
A few of them even came and saw me play in high school..
I could tell you stories all day long about the home...

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:32:00am

re: #375 Panhandler

If I had a CV, it'd be padded.

380 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:33:49am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

Good morning, Lizards.

The answer is, "generally, yes". Ecology groups oppose clear-cutting and cleaning up thrash (the forester's term for fallen limbs, etc.) because they believe it (a) encourages logging, which they oppose and (b) changes the "natural environment". Well, yes, it does (b), but it also (c) reduces the potential for catastrophic wildfires like this, especially in areas with the sort of hot, dry climate which encourages them- like southern California. (Trivia fact; the overwhelming majority of such fires are weather related, usually started by lightning strikes. Nothing sets dried thrash off faster than several megavolts of DC electricity heating it to over 1000 degrees Centigrade in an eyeblink.)

Environmentalists of the political type value "wildness" above all else. If you tell them that cleaning up the forest bed will prevent fires, they accuse you of trying to "civilize" the forest primeval. If you try to cut fire roads, you will be hit with a court order preventing you from "encouraging logging".

And if you point out that wildfires destroy peoples' homes, they will retort that "they had no business building them there, anyway."

The modern environmentalist movement has strayed far from the days of Theodore Roosevelt and Ernest Thompson Seton. It is now more inclined toward the mystical views of Henry David Thoreau and John Muir. Both of whom had a low opinion of humanity and wished fervently for a "return to the wild"- while living comfortably in the bosom of the Victorian society they affected to despise. When Thoreau wrote On Walden Pond, in which he rails against "Man's civilization", he neglected to mention that he was living about a mile from the city limits and had the local grocery delivering three days a week, and the milkman coming by every day.

Modern environmentalists want all their comforts, but expect civilization to deliver them out of nowhere. I suppose they think food, clothing, etc., should come out of a Star Trek; The Next Generation-style fabricator widget that works on transporter technology. (But since they also oppose any power source but Wind and Sun, what will they power it with?)

Their hypocrisy is only exceeded by their ignorance- and their utter and complete contempt for the rest of humanity.

/just IMHO

cheers

eon

381 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:34:24am

OK, I've got to get ready to go to the school. Take care!

382 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:35:36am

re: #374 goddessoftheclassroom

That is so dear!

I have no regrets--I know that teaching is what I was meant to do.

After much painful experience, I am willing to admit under torture that waking up every day of your life to go do something you love is far superior to doing something that merely makes you piles of $$.


A very neat trick is to figure out how to combine the two.

383 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #377 shay4l

I was lurking on the NASA thread when the implosion started, to calm my soul and retain a sense of oneness, I keyed up Mr. Gluck

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:36:46am

re: #380 eon

(the greenies)
Moved to paradise
Put up a parking lot...

385 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:36:51am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}
{shay41)

FBV--after I graduated from college, I planned to go to the University of London and earn a masters in acting. That summer, I was offered a teaching job. A classic crossroads. I chose the road not just more traveled but paved, lighted, and with comfort stops. That has made all the difference.

If you think teaching was such an easy road the it is most definitely you're calling. Thank you for your service, wish we had more like you.

Real Rancher

386 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:37:22am

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

Not really.... they were flat, thick and safe, quite!

387 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:37:41am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

We have the same problem in Australia. We have regular burn-offs in the winter months. But unlike the US wildfires in Australia have been a natural and man-made for the last 60,000 years. Fire was used by the aboriginals for clearing land for hunter-gathering practices.
The environmentalists are crazy to ignore this fact in Australia.

388 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:38:53am

re: #383 Panhandler

Hiya panhandler..
So would you mind giving us an overview of what happened?
I read the email song and dance man sent to charles..totally creepy wierd..
But i understand there is more..
do tell!

389 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:39:01am

re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(the greenies)
Moved to paradise
Put up a parking lot...

And then they complained when people used it, too!

(I've spent the last couple of decades being alternately amused and horrified by the disconnects in logic amongst the "ecos"- including a few I'm related to.)

cheers

eon

390 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:40:07am

re: #378 HoosierHoops

I could tell you stories all day long about the home...

As could I, Hoopster, but this is not the place for it...

My nic's blue... email me if the urge underwhelms you, if not, we'll just savor those days separately.... Those were some good old, bad old days.... :D

391 rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:41:28am

Morning all. Ruslter here hows everyone doing today.

/white smoke


Oh crap that was CS I'm outtie

392 Tigger2005  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:41:38am

Bill O'Reilly stands up for Sarah Palin:

[Link: townhall.com...]

393 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:43:05am

re: #391 rancher

Morning all. Ruslter here hows everyone doing today.

/white smoke


Oh crap that was CS I'm outtie

Still can't find that open registration?
Charles should open it up just you

394 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:46:48am

Don't it always seem to go
You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone,
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot

It is a great song - Joni!

395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:46:50am

re: #389 eon

They called it paradise, I don't know why
You call some place "paradise"- kiss it goodbye...

-Eagles, The Last Resort

396 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:47:13am

re: #388 HoosierHoops

Some how a reference to S&DM came up and Charles said he's banned so let it lie. Mama Winger and RTLM chimed in and said they liked S&DM, that he had been an interesting sort. Charles asked "Are you nuts? Didn't you read a lot of his posts?" RTLM and Mama Winger replied "Yeah,but" MW and RTLM said they were happy to converse with S&DM on other sites. Charles said fine, feel free to do just that, because you're not posting on this site anymore.

397 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:48:34am

Bush Backs Plan to Release $25B Loan to Automakers

The White House on Friday threw its support behind a plan to speed release of $25 billion in existing loans to the Big Three automakers but rejected a Democratic proposal to use money from a financial bailout to help the troubled industry.

The $700 billion financial rescue package was never intended to help automakers and shouldn't be now, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told The Associated Press. But since Democratic leaders in Congress are pressing forward with a proposal to carve out a piece of its for the auto industry, she said the White House has decided to pursue a different approach: accelerating the availability of federal loans Congress first approved in September.

Those loans were approved to help automakers build more fuel-efficient vehicles and become more competitive companies in the global marketplace. The administration now supports allowing the loans to be released more quickly than the original legislation prescribed and to be used for more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat.

"Democrats are choosing a path that would only lead to partisan gridlock," she said. "We are now actively calling on Congress to amend the loan program."


This is a big mistake.

They are calling them 'loans" now, but you watch. After Obama takes office these will quietly be changed to be gifts.

And then we will be subsidizing the auto industry ongoing.

The auto makers will have no reason to change and provide a more competitive product. And what we will have done is hooked the auto workers union up to the taxpayer checkbook.

398 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:49:48am

Look at this bullsh*t from Obama big shot Robert Reich, the economist. He wants the government to have utter control to manage the failure of GM. The last thing in the world he wants is for the procedure to go through bankruptcy in a normal way. No, that would protect GM from government meddling. He wants the government to manage it.

The headline sounds like he wants to tough it out with the union to get them to take the painful wage cuts the market unfortunately requires. But that's not what he really wants. He really wants to play political games to allow the union to maintain supremacy, under government supervision, in telling GM how to function.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Obama Adviser Says Auto Workers Should Take Pay Cuts in Bailout


Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- An economic adviser to President- elect Barack Obama advocates wage and benefit cuts for auto industry workers and executives as part of any government bailout of the industry.

``In exchange for government aid, the Big Three's creditors, shareholders and executives should be required to accept losses as large as they'd endure under Chapter 11'' bankruptcy protection, economist and Obama adviser Robert Reich wrote on his Web site this week. ``And the UAW should agree to some across- the-board wage and benefit cuts,'' he added, referring to the United Auto Workers union.

Major auto-parts suppliers also should eventually adhere to the same conditions, wrote Reich, a former labor secretary under President Bill Clinton.

He wants to tell shareholders and executives what to do. He wants to extend government dictate beyond GM to the parts suppliers. He wants to put major elements of the economy under government control.

He wants to rule.

399 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:50:08am

re: #396 Panhandler

Mama Winger's gone?

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

Real Rancher

400 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:50:12am

re: #380 eon

Yes

401 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:50:38am

re: #392 Tigger2005

Bill O'Reilly stands up for Sarah Palin:

[Link: townhall.com...]

Interesting. I tend to believe that some of the more "we're running this party and don't you forget it" older GOP leaders are out to slam the Sarahcuda for the same reason that The Exalted One is trying to sweet-talk Hillary into being his SecState- neither bunch of so-called "leaders" wants to face either one as a "dark horse" running for their party's Presidential nomination in 2012. Therefore, they are all trying to neutralize both of them now.

Of course, if both of them spend the next couple of years in building their own coalitions within their respective parties (as the Sarahcuda has already shown she can do in Alaska with nothing but a phone, a PC, and a yellow legal pad plus a pencil), those "Fearless Leaders" might get an unpleasant shock they're not prepared for- in 2010.


/Like finding out that they no longer control their party caucuses.

cheers

eon

402 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:53:34am

re: #387 Crux Australis

We have the same problem in Australia. We have regular burn-offs in the winter months. But unlike the US wildfires in Australia have been a natural and man-made for the last 60,000 years. Fire was used by the aboriginals for clearing land for hunter-gathering practices.
The environmentalists are crazy to ignore this fact in Australia.

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

403 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:53:51am

re: #396 Panhandler

Thank you..
I had no idea...

404 christheprofessor  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:05am

Obama throws his white grandmother under the bus again:

The event is being put on by friends of Dunham and the Obama family, although family members themselves are not expected to attend.

What a piece of work. I cannot believe so many gullible people voted for that cold-hearted bastard.

405 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:22am

I think the media is building up Sarah Palin for another run because they think they can knock her down again if she gets the nomination. They think they have her number.

406 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:25am

re: #399 Rancher

I think I've figured it out. Real Rancher posts while wearing a pair of Levis' the other one wears Wranglers. Close?

407 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:31am

re: #397 3 wood

Bush Backs Plan to Release $25B Loan to Automakers
They are calling them 'loans" now, but you watch. After ABM takes office these will quietly be changed to be gifts.

Since it doesn't address the problem, labor costs almost double what Toyota and others pay, then they won't be able to pay back the loans. Sorry to see Bush go down this road, but fiscally Bush has been a disaster for the GOP for eight years.

408 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:55:30am

re: #402 aussiemagpie

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

Good day aussie! Coffee?

409 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:55:34am

re: #396 Panhandler

I've seen the owner in various moods, but, I've noticed, once he's made a decision and announced it publicly, further complaints really rub his scales the wrong way.

Regulars should know when to let things be.

410 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:55:35am

re: #402 aussiemagpie

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

I am also waiting for the SA vs Scotland game. Pity they are playing the same time as you. Would like to see you kick the poms ass good and make them soft for us next week.

411 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:56:14am

re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Paradise? Mister Peabody's coal-trains done hauled it away...
John Prine

412 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:56:15am

re: #404 christheprofessor

Obama throws his white grandmother under the bus again:

What a piece of work. I cannot believe so many gullible people voted for that cold-hearted bastard.

Why isn't Obama attending?

413 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:56:46am

re: #401 eon

Interesting. I tend to believe that some of the more "we're running this party and don't you forget it" older GOP leaders are out to slam the Sarahcuda for the same reason that The Exalted One is trying to sweet-talk Hillary into being his SecState- neither bunch of so-called "leaders" wants to face either one as a "dark horse" running for their party's Presidential nomination in 2012. Therefore, they are all trying to neutralize both of them now.

Of course, if both of them spend the next couple of years in building their own coalitions within their respective parties (as the Sarahcuda has already shown she can do in Alaska with nothing but a phone, a PC, and a yellow legal pad plus a pencil), those "Fearless Leaders" might get an unpleasant shock they're not prepared for- in 2010.


/Like finding out that they no longer control their party caucuses.

cheers

eon

I sure agree with you, eon. BOTH parties are scared to death of her.
I am totally pulling for SarahCuda...Lets really get some new faces, old conservatism back in DC.

414 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:57:37am

re: #405 Luigi

I think the media is building up Sarah Palin for another run because they think they can knock her down again if she gets the nomination. They think they have her number.

um...just who is building her up?

415 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:58:57am

Rancher -- I just gave you a star. The labor costs for GM is something like $73/hr versus about $48/hr for Toyota's American workers. That puts GM in an impossible condition.

I'm not certain about this, but I think the union has been able to muscle its way into the board room too, and has a voice in corporate decisions.

416 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:59:57am

re: #398 Luigi

Look at this bullsh*t from Obama big shot Robert Reich, the economist.

Robert Reich, a big shot?

/ba-da-bing!

But seriously, folks. The 0bama administration is turning out to be less Change, and more Clinton re-treads.

He'd have probably gotten more Carter Administration officials too, if they weren't mostly dead.

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:01:17am

re: #415 Luigi

I understand that GM loses a grand for every car they sell. Up until now that have made it up in volume? WTF? I'm not an economist, but...

418 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:01:50am

re: #412 reine.de.tout

Why isn't Obama attending?

He's afraid of something. Afraid to run into some one he doesn't want the press to make a connection to, afraid some one will say something in public that the press will pick up on, for some reason, he wants to say away from a public event where he does not have as much control over the people or proceedings.

If he's not there, there is less chance of having massive press coverage.

419 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:02:10am

re: #414 Wishing

um...just who is building her up?

The whole tone of her coverage has shifted 180 since the election...

[Link: news.google.com...]

420 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:02:52am

re: #397 3 wood
I have always bought American made cars, even when I actually liked some of the imports better.
If they bail them out, I will never buy another American car. Those assembly line workers make between $58.00 and $78.00 an hour and their jobs are guaranteed till they retire.
I am lucky to make half that and worry about getting canned every day.
We are getting so screwed.

421 LoFlyer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:05:31am

Morning mates! Did Mama get the ban-stick last night? She must of really pissed off Charles!

422 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:06:02am

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Good day aussie! Coffee?

G'day HH!
Being an all day coffee drinker I never say no to a coffee :-)

Need it now to stay wide awake to watch the rugby - Aussies v England which starts right now

423 christheprofessor  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:06:07am

#412 reine

Not sure. The article doesn't say, just that he may visit in December.

My guess is that he's just a cold-hearted bastard. He doensn't need her any more, so...

424 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:06:19am

re: #421 LoFlyer

Pissed off is putting it mildly.

425 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:06:52am

re: #419 Luigi

The whole tone of her coverage has shifted 180 since the election...

[Link: news.google.com...]

Any change in how they cover her is the result of being ignored by her. It is making them nuts. She doesn't need the MSM and they know it. Once again she is the greatest fear of both parties as well as the MSM. They did their very best to find dirt on her: they failed. So, let's try a new tack...MAYBE if we show her some respect, she will learn to need us.
Palin will do fine without the MSM...or the party hacks, for that matter.

426 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:07:08am

Good morning all y'all from a moderate (68 degrees, going DOWN to a high of 66 today!) but rainy and stormy Saturday.
How is everyone doing today?

Does anyone have any idea if Charles is in or near those new wildfires in "Northern LA"?

427 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:09:39am

re: #410 Erik The Red

I am also waiting for the SA vs Scotland game. Pity they are playing the same time as you. Would like to see you kick the poms ass good and make them soft for us next week.

Hello Erik, that game is being shown after the Wallabies one - and we've got our fingers crossed for the Wallabies - so they should soften those pommies up a bit? Hope so too:-)

428 LoFlyer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:10:29am

re: #420 yah

I have always bought American made cars, even when I actually liked some of the imports better.
If they bail them out, I will never buy another American car. Those assembly line workers make between $58.00 and $78.00 an hour and their jobs are guaranteed till they retire.
I am lucky to make half that and worry about getting canned every day.
We are getting so screwed.

What's really cool is their quaint ideas on craftsman professions. If a belt comes off a drill press, instead of the operator replacing the belt and continuing production, the operator must wait for the union craftsman to fix it. This might involve an electrician, a mechanic and who knows what plus several hours down time. Unions had a place during the 20's when Bennett Ford shot it out with the Wobblies but is out of touch with reality nowadays.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:10:44am

re: #416 Dar ul Harb

Clinton made a joke on a tour with Robert Reich once, they were looking at a miniature White House, Clinton told Reich "Hey! You could live in here! hahaha", (I think Lloyd Benson whispered to Clinton you can't make jokes like that). IIRC

430 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:11:08am

re: #427 aussiemagpie
Hey, good morning {aussiemagpie} or actually good evening! LOL! *Smoooches* to you whether it's evening, early morning or whenever!

431 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:11:15am

re: #426 realwest

Good morning all y'all from a moderate (68 degrees, going DOWN to a high of 66 today!) but rainy and stormy Saturday.
How is everyone doing today?

Does anyone have any idea if Charles is in or near those new wildfires in "Northern LA"?

Hey RW! kind regards....
I'm watching a movie on SHo..totally cool movie..

432 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:11:25am

re: #427 aussiemagpie

Both kick offs are at the same time will pvr the aus-eng game so not score telling please. I will also keep my trap shut. Good luck

433 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:11:54am

re: #397 3 wood

Bush Backs Plan to Release $25B Loan to Automakers


This is a big mistake.

They are calling them 'loans" now, but you watch. After Obama takes office these will quietly be changed to be gifts.

And then we will be subsidizing the auto industry ongoing.

The auto makers will have no reason to change and provide a more competitive product. And what we will have done is hooked the auto workers union up to the taxpayer checkbook.

More to the point, the government will have its foot in the door to exercise "guidance" over the industry. Like telling them what kind of cars to build, never mind whether or not they can actually sell them and make a profit.

I don't believe for one minute that our new, incoming regime' will be able to resist the urge to "guide" the auto industry into more "socially responsible" avenues. Five years ago, when GM premiered their new retro Camaro concept car, the then-CEO said that he didn't think they would be producing it, because "GM really shouldn't be making cars". The stockholders told him what they thought of that at the next general meeting- GM got a new CEO. (The new Camaro is being introduced this year as a 2009 mid-year model.)

But the idea of an independent, wholly privately-owned industry- of any kind- is anathema to our new leaders, whose favored model is the Western European "social democrat" theory, in which government "partners" with industry, and makes all the decisions for the industry. (Of course, if things go sour, it won't be the government "ministers" who get the chop.) Unions love this model- because social democrat types love union votes, and will ensure that these industries are unionized to ensure more of same. They regard this as the company "being socially responsible", along with the idea of not making anything they regard as icky.

Which means that all auto makers will be unionized and start turning out gas-electric hybrids- which we will have insufficient electrical output to recharge, due to these same "enlightened ones'" attitudes on energy production.

And then, of course, as my best bud the E-5 pointed out, the money for these "bailouts" (about 1.35 trillion so far when you factor in FM-Squared and the Big Three) does not exist in the economy or the government's coffers. It is all deficit spending. Which means it will have to come from;

1. Gutting other government programs (kiss the Defense Department goodbye- which they've dreamed of for decades anyway);

2. Raising taxes (another perennial):

3. Borrowing from somebody else (Hello, Beijing?): or

4. Any two or more of the above in combination.

I'm betting on All Of The Above. Which means that within two to three years, if people think the economy's in bad shape now, they ain't seen nothin' yet.

I'm expecting Jimmy Carter's "Misery Index" all over again.

Maybe one day, the TANSTAAFL and KYFHO Rules will be inscribed over the portico of the Halls of Congress- but I wouldn't bet on it.

Until then, I'm just going to sit back and watch. Sort of like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

cheers

eon

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:11:58am

re: #432 Erik The Red

1-0

435 LoFlyer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:12:04am

re: #424 Panhandler

Pissed off is putting it mildly.

I'll have to check out the shuttle thread, I left about half way into it!

436 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:13:42am

re: #416 Dar ul Harb

The 0bama administration is turning out to be less Change, and more Clinton re-treads.

That's a good thing, pragmatic centrists, compared to where he could go anyway, that will stand up to Pelosi et. all. At least that's my "hope". It could be far worse.

437 LoFlyer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:13:46am

re: #426 realwest

Good morning all y'all from a moderate (68 degrees, going DOWN to a high of 66 today!) but rainy and stormy Saturday.
How is everyone doing today?

Does anyone have any idea if Charles is in or near those new wildfires in "Northern LA"?

Morning Real, Clear, cool and windy in Atlanta. I have no idea what Charles location is, I expect he keeps that under wraps...

438 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:13:49am

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

lol wrong game.

439 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:13:57am

re: #418 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Just heard a story on Fox and Friends that the town of Golden, Colorado will not permit displays of Menorah's on public property for fear of offending someone folks (guess who?) sensibilities. Do you know anything more about this? Did they allow them last year?

440 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:14:07am

It's been good "seeing" everyone here this AM (USA) but I have to go in and prep one of these today. Then I have to give it a 10 mile test ride, OH NOES!

441 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:14:44am

re: #431 HoosierHoops
Hi Hoops - thanks for the kind regards!
Um, what movie are ya watching?

442 BignJames  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:14:48am

re: #428 LoFlyer

No different than most defense/government contractors.

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:15:17am

re: #438 Erik The Red

lol wrong game.

If it is Soccer, I can almost guarantee the final score. 1-0.

444 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:15:50am

re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

lol Rugby.

445 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:15:57am

re: #402 aussiemagpie

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

I'm not really a rugby fan myself. I would rather watch the NFL (American Football).

Do you have the URL for Andrew Bolt's blog?

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:16:16am

re: #444 Erik The Red

lol Rugby.

Rock on then!

447 notutopia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:16:42am

Enjoy! This is how my cat talks!
Time for Java.
BBL.

448 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:16:53am

re: #420 yah

And just what is an "American" "car" anymore anyhow? A pickup truck, most likely. Few of the Japanese cars on the road are still made in Japan. They're made here, employing Americans.

Last American brand I bought was a Saturn SL1, which was good, but underpowered. I should have bought the SL2.

The traditional American automakers have been late moving to advanced technology like hybrid powertrains and regenerative braking. Not everyone wants this stuff, clearly, but the U.S. brands made the same mistake in the 1970s, and that's how the Japanese automakers got a foothold in the U.S. market, with greater fuel efficiency at a time of rising gasoline prices.

Yesterday, I drove my hybrid to Nashville and back (~400 mi.) on 9 gallons of gas, a single tank.

449 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:18:03am

re: #441 realwest

Hi Hoops - thanks for the kind regards!
Um, what movie are ya watching?

Hey bro...
The worlds fastest Indian.. or something like that..
4 stars so far

450 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:18:20am

By the end of Obama's reign we will all be wearing uniforms and driving one model of car in a choice of black or black.

Much easier to control the masses that way.

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:18:35am

Congratulations to the fine Keydets of Virginia Military Institute for beating the University of Kentucky Wildcats in NCAA Basketball last night.

Yeah. VMI beat UK. In Basketball. Really.

Speaking of cats and dogs living together; mass hysteria!

452 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:18:41am

re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Clinton made a joke on a tour with Robert Reich once, they were looking at a miniature White House, Clinton told Reich "Hey! You could live in here! hahaha", (I think Lloyd Benson whispered to Clinton you can't make jokes like that). IIRC

Oh, Reich even makes jokes about it himself. Something like how he's always looking out for the little guy...

453 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:20:53am

re: #449 HoosierHoops

Wait till you get to the part where the Nevada trooper pulls him over and asks for license and registration.

454 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:20:54am

re: #450 yah

By the end of Obama's reign we will all be wearing uniforms and driving one model of car in a choice of black or black.

Much easier to control the masses that way.

But how will they tell us apart?

Oh, right- DNA tracking.

/sarc

cheers

eon

455 rightside  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:20:56am

Gas is $1.80 where I live, and dropping!

456 Fredlike  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:21:37am

re: #420 yah

I have always bought American made cars, even when I actually liked some of the imports better.
If they bail them out, I will never buy another American car. Those assembly line workers make between $58.00 and $78.00 an hour and their jobs are guaranteed till they retire.
I am lucky to make half that and worry about getting canned every day.
We are getting so screwed.

They do not make $58 to $78 that is the what they cost the automakers. Typical big companies have 200% overhead so that would works out to about $19 to $26 per hour. Might be lower if the overhead is higher. They do have good benefits and can make extra money working overtime, holidays etc.

457 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:23:34am

re: #449 HoosierHoops
"The worlds fastest Indian.. or something like that.."?
Uh, do you mean the Jim Thorpe Story? How can you watch a movie and not know the title of it?!

458 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:24:05am

re: #455 rightside

Gas is $1.80 where I live, and dropping!

$1.86/9 and $1.89/9 at my two favorite gas stations- the ones across the street and four doors down from my front walk.

/the"/9" is due to state tax here in OH

cheers

eon

459 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:24:16am

re: #430 realwest

Hey, good morning {aussiemagpie} or actually good evening! LOL! *Smoooches* to you whether it's evening, early morning or whenever!

*Smooches * to you too {realwest}
Thank you for brightening my very early Sunday morning :-)

460 rightside  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:24:42am

re: #458 eon

Yeah, when are they ever going to drop the .9?

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:24:47am

re: #454 eon

From Lil' Abner...


Oh, happy day, when miracles take place
And scientists control the human race,
When we assume authority of human chromosomes,
And assembly-line women,
Conveyor-belt men,
Settle down in push-button homes.

Oh, happy day, when all the cells conform
And the exceptional become the norm,
When from a test-tube we produce gargantuas or gnomes,
And assembly-line women,
Conveyor-belt men,
Settle down in push-button homes.

So much of this, so much of that for the ears and eyes,
So much of that, so much of this for the toes and thighs.
Pour in a pot, stir up the lot, that's the basic plan,
What have we got? I'll tell you what: We've got man-made man!

Oh, happy day, when all the world can see
A healthy, hearty, hale humanity.
When even tired businessmen have hair upon their domes,
Slenderella-type mothers
And muscle-beach dads
Living in gymnasium homes.

Oh, happy day, when boys and girls on dates
Can tell electrically if they are mates.
If he goes for her kilowatts and she enjoys his omes,
You can bet your magnetic
Combustible shirt
They'll wind up in high-voltage homes.

462 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:25:05am

re: #432 Erik The Red

Both kick offs are at the same time will pvr the aus-eng game so not score telling please. I will also keep my trap shut. Good luck

Lips are sealed :-)

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:26:04am

re: #451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Congratulations to the fine Keydets of Virginia Military Institute for beating the University of Kentucky Wildcats in NCAA Basketball last night.

Yeah. VMI beat UK. In Basketball. Really.

Speaking of cats and dogs living together; mass hysteria!

Just in case anybody missed it? VMI beat UK in Basketball.

464 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:27:50am

re: #463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian HEY, FBV - didcha hear that VMI - VMI ! beat the Kentucky Wildcats in - gasp - basketball?!
No, really, it's true!

465 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:28:38am

I'm listening to Steve Cordasco on the Big Money Show. He's been calling the market right for 2 years. He got out of a lot of stuff about 9 months ago - when things were still good. He has a real talent for educating people about how the market works; connecting the dots and seeing the big picture.

You can listen here.
Every Sat. morning 9-11am EST.

466 ciaospirit  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:30:23am

re: #423 christheprofessor

#412 reine

Not sure. The article doesn't say, just that he may visit in December.

My guess is that he's just a cold-hearted bastard. He doensn't need her any more, so...

I'm with you CTP. He's a creep. He wasn't with his own mother when she died of cancer and doctor's know pretty closely when death will occur. BHO made a remark that he regrets not having been there. Yeah, right. Trying to make himself sound righteous. Mrs. BHO and the children didn't visit the grandmother not once during her last few months even though she and the kids were in Hawaii on vacation? Nor did Mrs. BHO travel to Hawaii when the woman was near death. What kind of people are the Obamas? Users. Here's the excuse they've made for the One. When he has time.

Asked why no family members will be at tomorrow's service, Winer said: "Because this is a public event being held by friends of Madelyn Dunham. The family will have its own private service that they will attend at a later date."

467 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:30:51am

re: #445 Crux Australis

Andrew Bolt

A must read for me each day

468 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:31:18am

re: #433 eon

More to the point, the government will have its foot in the door to exercise "guidance" over the industry. Like telling them what kind of cars to build, never mind whether or not they can actually sell them and make a profit.

I don't believe for one minute that our new, incoming regime' will be able to resist the urge to "guide" the auto industry into more "socially responsible" avenues. Five years ago, when GM premiered their new retro Camaro concept car, the then-CEO said that he didn't think they would be producing it, because "GM really shouldn't be making cars". The stockholders told him what they thought of that at the next general meeting- GM got a new CEO. (The new Camaro is being introduced this year as a 2009 mid-year model.)

But the idea of an independent, wholly privately-owned industry- of any kind- is anathema to our new leaders, whose favored model is the Western European "social democrat" theory, in which government "partners" with industry, and makes all the decisions for the industry. (Of course, if things go sour, it won't be the government "ministers" who get the chop.) Unions love this model- because social democrat types love union votes, and will ensure that these industries are unionized to ensure more of same. They regard this as the company "being socially responsible", along with the idea of not making anything they regard as icky.

Which means that all auto makers will be unionized and start turning out gas-electric hybrids- which we will have insufficient electrical output to recharge, due to these same "enlightened ones'" attitudes on energy production.

And then, of course, as my best bud the E-5 pointed out, the money for these "bailouts" (about 1.35 trillion so far when you factor in FM-Squared and the Big Three) does not exist in the economy or the government's coffers. It is all deficit spending. Which means it will have to come from;

1. Gutting other government programs (kiss the Defense Department goodbye- which they've dreamed of for decades anyway);

2. Raising taxes (another perennial):

3. Borrowing from somebody else (Hello, Beijing?): or

4. Any two or more of the above in combination.

I'm betting on All Of The Above. Which means that within two to three years, if people think the economy's in bad shape now, they ain't seen nothin' yet.

I'm expecting Jimmy Carter's "Misery Index" all over again.

Maybe one day, the TANSTAAFL and KYFHO Rules will be inscribed over the portico of the Halls of Congress- but I wouldn't bet on it.

Until then, I'm just going to sit back and watch. Sort of like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

cheers

eon

If an Obama administration is shoving cars at me - you can bet I won't be buying American. Look how well it worked to have UK buy up the British car industry - it no long exists.

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:31:19am

re: #464 realwest

HEY, FBV - didcha hear that VMI - VMI ! beat the Kentucky Wildcats in - gasp - basketball?!
No, really, it's true!

Really? I thought it was Virginia Military Institute (1,378 students). They beat University of Kentucky (27,209 students) last night.

470 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:31:38am

re: #460 rightside

Yeah, when are they ever going to drop the .9?

"Drop" a tax?

Surely you jest!

There's a much better chance of the Earth suddenly reversing its rotation on its axis and its orbit around the Sun simultaneously.

"You mean, physical facts are open to correction, but your whims are not?"

-John Galt, speaking to Mr. Thompson, Atlas Shrugged, Part 3, Chapter VIII, "The Egoist"

Have to run. Places to go, stuff to do.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

471 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:32:26am

ROTFLMAO! - Hey y'all - you ought to watch last weeks' worth of "Day-By-Day" cartoon strips, starting at [Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
then just hit "next".
Chris Muir - the anti- Garry Treadau (Doonesbury!)!

472 tappin52  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:32:44am

Yikes! I was trying to do a little homework on the War of the Words on last night's shuttle thread, but the ban-stick splinters and deleted comments wouldn't let me get all of the info. Song and Dance Man is nuts, I gather?

473 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:33:06am

re: #465 DistantThunder

I'm listening to Steve Cordasco on the Big Money Show. He's been calling the market right for 2 years. He got out of a lot of stuff about 9 months ago - when things were still good. He has a real talent for educating people about how the market works; connecting the dots and seeing the big picture.

You can listen here.
Every Sat. morning 9-11am EST.

Cordasco is saying that he's seeing emerging themes related to the Obama administration, and is going to be giving him impression of what he think will be unfolding.

474 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:33:17am

Just a quick drive by as I am work. But it looks like our side won one.

Ku Klux Klan Sued for $2.5 Million For Beating of Latin Teen

BRANDENBURG, Kentucky — A white supremacist Ku Klux Klan group was ordered on Friday to pay $2.5 million in damages in a judgment that civil rights attorneys hope will bankrupt the chapter.

475 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:33:19am

This article about Toyota's American labor costs was written in April, before the waters became roiled with foam and blood. Clear though was still possible.

What Could Dull Toyota's Edge:
In the aftermath of the Big Three's cost-saving deal with unions, its U.S. plants must play catch-up

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

Here's a taste of it...

By 2011, Toyota's cost advantage over Detroit could disappear. "The Japanese automakers have been here for almost 30 years," says Michael Robinet, an analyst at CSM Worldwide, a Northville (Mich.) research firm. "They'll start to have Big Three-like costs creeping in."

Toyota is worried. Two sources close to the company say that by late 2009, Toyota's 23-year-old assembly plant in Georgetown, Ky., where most workers are at the top of the pay scale, could have the highest labor costs of any auto factory in the U.S.

These facts point to another destination...

476 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:52am

Good morning Lizards............

477 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:56am

re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian YEAH, that's what I said VIM = Virginia Military Institute!

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:59am
479 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:36:05am

re: #439 realwest

Hi Walter! Just heard a story on Fox and Friends that the town of Golden, Colorado will not permit displays of Menorah's on public property for fear of offending someone folks (guess who?) sensibilities. Do you know anything more about this? Did they allow them last year?

Here is my answer to the story...

"I have no religious dog in this fight, since I do not support any organized religion or spiritual/supernatural assembly of any sort.

But this decision on the part of Golden's City Council is extremely hypocritical. If the City is going to decorate ANY foliage, using taxpayers money, then they are supporting the RELIGIOUS aspect of this holiday season.

Decorated foliage (oak trees, fir tress, logs, bushes, boughs) was traditional with the pagan Germanic tribes. In the 16th century, these practices were transferred and adopted by Christians, to celebrate the birth of Christ. Even something seemingly non-religious as a stocking filled with gift items stem directly from these Germanic traditions and borrowed by believers to represent the gift giving of the Magi's.

These are undisputable facts. The City Council can go down the list of items that the Supreme Court as deemed "secular," but no court of law can change history. Not unless the City of Golden has purchased some "memory holes," as described in the book "1984," to erased history.

If the City Council decorates any tree, bush, bough, log with lights, a ham, a goat, a stocking, stars, apples, nuts, dates, paper flowers, pretzels, cheese, candles, sugar ornaments, candy canes, tin star and places these item in a public place or on public property, than they are continuing a Christmas tradition that is over 400 years old.

So, my suggestion would be to request that the City of Golden remove any city displays placed in or around Lions Park, South Golden Road, Washington Ave, or any other place that City employees have erected anything that falls under the category of Christmas or winter holiday decoration.

Or, a more honest, truthful and intelligent approach would be to allow individuals or groups to place holiday symbols on designated public property, at no cost to the city. And for the hand wringing and teeth gnashing city lawyers, hey, consider it job security. You'll have something new to jam up the courts with."

I don't remember if various religious icon were allowed last year. I will say this much, over the last few years, Golden's city government has been trying real hard to become Boulder South.

480 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:36:32am

re: #466 ciaospirit

Apparently there are two ceremonies, one public, one private.

I posted this yesterday and was informed of this, but I still think it's creepy.

Immediate family should be at both.

481 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:31am

re: #475 Luigi

This article about Toyota's American labor costs was written in April, before the waters became roiled with foam and blood. Clear though was still possible.

What Could Dull Toyota's Edge:
In the aftermath of the Big Three's cost-saving deal with unions, its U.S. plants must play catch-up

[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

Here's a taste of it...

These facts point to another destination...

What's not factored in is taxpayer ire at being forced to partner with a dinosaur industry in Detroit whose "profit" is shared with unions and therefore Obama. I won't be buying American.

482 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:34am

re: #472 tappin52 Uh, with all due respect, it's considered by some - or at least by me - to be "bad form" to make comments about former posters when you know they can't respond. Read what happened and reach your own conclussions.

483 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:35am

re: #476 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards............

Dorian!
Watching movies this am..

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:45am

re: #482 realwest

Thanks. When I finally get the stick (it'll be for being a dolt) speak kindly of me.

485 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:56am

re: #407 Rancher

but fiscally Bush has been a disaster for the GOP for eight years.

He has disappointed me with his economic policies.

486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:13am

re: #477 realwest

YEAH, that's what I said VIM = Virginia Military Institute!

VMI too!

487 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:34am

re: #476 doriangrey
Hey good morning dorian! Geez, we've been sorta off schedule the last week or so - how the hell are you? How are you teeth/dentures whatever? How's the vette's windshield?
What's happening brother?

488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:45am

Dorian! Whaddup yo?!

489 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:14am

re: #455 rightside

Gas is $1.80 where I live, and dropping!

Not quite that low here, more like $1.93. But what's ailing the automakers is the price surge that happened earlier in the year.

U.S. brands have a rich history of design language that they could use to build some really cool products, if they could combine that with a more modern approach to drivetrain. The Japanese designs are really very predictable and conventional now. The U.S. brands can compete in the luxury car segment, and as I said earlier, they're strong in trucks, but the low and midpriced car market is dominated by Japanese and other non-U.S. brands. The U.S. brands have got a long way to go to overcome the quality perceptions that drove the switch long ago. Not saying that the quality isn't there now, but the Honda and Toyota buyer isn't going to make the switch back until they get a really compelling product to switch to.

490 tappin52  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:36am

re: #482 realwest

No intent to offend, but I did not read the offensive posts, as they were deleted. Just trying to fill in the blanks.

491 BignJames  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:53am

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

VMI too!

VIM = Va. Institute of Marine Science

they got a basketball team?

492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:34am

re: #491 BignJames

VIM = Va. Institute of Marine Science

they got a basketball team?

The "Fighting Guppies".

493 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:50am

re: #489 Dar ul Harb

Not quite that low here, more like $1.93. But what's ailing the automakers is the price surge that happened earlier in the year.

U.S. brands have a rich history of design language that they could use to build some really cool products, if they could combine that with a more modern approach to drivetrain. The Japanese designs are really very predictable and conventional now. The U.S. brands can compete in the luxury car segment, and as I said earlier, they're strong in trucks, but the low and midpriced car market is dominated by Japanese and other non-U.S. brands. The U.S. brands have got a long way to go to overcome the quality perceptions that drove the switch long ago. Not saying that the quality isn't there now, but the Honda and Toyota buyer isn't going to make the switch back until they get a really compelling product to switch to.

Why isn't the UAW screaming to drill here drill now, if high prices drive down demand for their product? How does it make sense for them to back a no drill candidate? Are they suicidal? They know they have a safety net.

494 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:44:32am

why the left hate school choice for the rest of us.


Should the Obamas, like good liberals, send their kids to Washington, D.C. public schools? Or a private school like, Sidwell Friends?

Hmmmm.

Gosh, this is a tough one. Sacrifice their children on the altar of liberalism or give them a life-changing advantage that will all but guarantee their success in life?

Wow. This is really hard.

Should the Obamas be an example, a symbol to all that value public education, or do what most of the American presidents of European descent (except Jimmy Carter) have done. ☺

Elite education vs. Public education.

Who should the new first family trust to educate their children?

[Link: nationalconversation.typepad.com...]

495 saberry0530  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:42am

re: #476 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards............

Hey Dorian! Finally changed my nic pic and put up a picture of my Vette. YES Lust is permissible.

496 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:46:09am

re: #487 realwest

Hey good morning dorian! Geez, we've been sorta off schedule the last week or so - how the hell are you? How are you teeth/dentures whatever? How's the vette's windshield?
What's happening brother?

The teeth are coming along pretty good, well actually I should say my gums are. Another month or so and I will probably be ready for my permanent dentures. The vette windshield will just have to wait until I have the cash to fix it. Other than that things are looking pretty good.

Oh and at work, well we just got the sweetest 3 million dollar contract.... It looks like we are going to be building part of the US Navy's new electro-magnetic aircraft catapult system.

497 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:46:33am

re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Virginia Spots.

498 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:05am

re: #485 3 wood
Good morning my friend! That was perhaps the best understatement I've read since a military dispatch back in the 1870's that said "Col. George Armstrong Custer had some difficulties with the Indians at a place called the Little Big Horn."
ROTFL!
Yeah, OTOH, did you know that EVERY budget that we've had while W was president was LARGER than the one he proposed? Yep, tis true.
But the government ought not bail out the big three for starters. I've read in a business publication (IBD or WSJ? - senior moment here) that the amount of money being sought by the big three is just a few billion more than what they each owe to their employees' Pension Funds.
So they borrowed from the Unions that have made it impossible for them to produce inexpensive automobiles, the stupid Unions loaned them the money from their pension funds and now the big three want the taxpayers to essentially bail out the loans owed to the Union Pension Funds.
THEN they'll merge or go outta business.

499 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:07am

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dorian! Whaddup yo?!

The price of milk FBV... The price of milk.... lol...lol...lol... ;p

500 saberry0530  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:12am

re: #496 doriangrey

The teeth are coming along pretty good, well actually I should say my gums are. Another month or so and I will probably be ready for my permanent dentures. The vette windshield will just have to wait until I have the cash to fix it. Other than that things are looking pretty good.

Oh and at work, well we just got the sweetest 3 million dollar contract.... It looks like we are going to be building part of the US Navy's new electro-magnetic aircraft catapult system.

Railguns for jet aircraft? COOOL!

501 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:22am

re: #493 DistantThunder

For the same reason the Teamsters aren't. I'm surprised the truck drivers aren't revolting.

502 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:14am

re: #496 doriangrey

I got to a periodontist next month for gum disease. I hear it hurts.

503 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:18am

re: #439 realwest


Realwest; did you see my answer to you in 479?re: #479 Walter L. Newton

504 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:26am

Punted Kitten

(Kingsland, Georgia) Some youths were seen using a kitten as a football. After rescue, the kitten had to have a leg amputated at Laurel Oaks Animal Hospital.

Law enforcers are investigating.

505 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:44am

I'm sorry for the lack of manners.

Good morning all!

506 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:45am

re: #502 Bumr50

I got to a periodontist next month for gum disease. I hear it hurts.

Cant possibly hurt as much as having all your teeth yanked out in one day..... ;O

507 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:14am

re: #433 eon

Which means it will have to come from;

1. Gutting other government programs (kiss the Defense Department goodbye- which they've dreamed of for decades anyway);

2. Raising taxes (another perennial):

3. Borrowing from somebody else (Hello, Beijing?): or

4. Any two or more of the above in combination.

There is a 5th optionEon, which is to just inflate the currency and print the money, like post WW1 Germany did.

Which is exactly what I think Obama will do.

508 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:26am

Now steve Cordasco talking about the Roman Empire related to our current economy.

509 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:59am

re: #506 doriangrey

Ouch. I'm sorry.

510 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:51:20am

re: #457 realwest

Hey real did you get my email this morning?

511 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:51:22am

Ayers speaks out...

Ayers and his wife were among the thousands of jubilant Obama supporters who celebrated in Chicago's Grant Park on Election Day, he told the News' Juan Gonzalez in a separate interview Friday.
"It was an extraordinary feeling...it was all unity, all love...it was the sense that we were going to leave behind the era of 9/11, an era of fear, and war without end, and repression and constitutional shredding," he said on "Democracy Now," a cable show co-hosted by Gonzalez.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Well, it's going to be all gumdrops and chocolate rivers under Obama, right?

512 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:51:22am

re: #507 3 wood

There is a 5th optionEon, which is to just inflate the currency and print the money, like post WW1 Germany did.

Which is exactly what I think Obama will do.

Yea, because that worked sooooo well for the Germans........................... ;)

513 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:51:41am

re: #492 Fat Bastard Vegetarian LOL! "The Fighting Guppies" LOL!
HEY, have you figured out the name of the damn movie you're watching yet?!

514 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:51:51am

re: #506 doriangrey

Cant possibly hurt as much as having all your teeth yanked out in one day..... ;O

Swear to gosh, I'd rather have them knocked out involuntarily than sit in a chair and let them do it on purpose.

515 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:10am

re: #512 doriangrey

Yea, because that worked sooooo well for the Germans........................... ;)

It helped the wheelbarrow manufacturers!

516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:29am

re: #513 realwest

That was Hoosier. He's watching "The Worlds Fastest Indian".

517 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:31am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

Ayers speaks out...

Well, it's going to be all gumdrops and chocolate rivers under Obama, right?

Ha...Drudge and Biden are warning of an imminent terror attack in the next 90-100 days. The terrorist have us right where they want most of us...with our guard down...peace, love, light, pass the Obama bong.

518 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:33am

re: #511 Walter L. Newton

Ayers speaks out...

Well, it's going to be all gumdrops and chocolate rivers under Obama, right?

Don't forget the unicorn farts.

519 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:51am

re: #515 Walter L. Newton

And Hitler!

520 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #496 doriangrey
Huh. Well I'm glad your gums are healing up ok, and about the new contract, but your VETTE! Skip a payment to the Dental guys and fix the windshield! PLEASE!
The idea of you driving around in something other than that red Vette is disturbing to me - probably not all that thrilling to you, either!

521 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:29am

re: #509 Bumr50

Ouch. I'm sorry.

No worries... It was predominately a genetic thing. My Mom and Dad both lost the majority of their teeth before they were 30. I managed to keep most of mine until I was 47 and only had them all yanked when I did so that I could save the bone so that I can have implants put in in another year or two.

522 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:31am

BBIAM.

523 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:43am

re: #493 DistantThunder

Why isn't the UAW screaming to drill here drill now, if high prices drive down demand for their product? How does it make sense for them to back a no drill candidate? Are they suicidal? They know they have a safety net.

I'm sure UAW can build both efficient cars or inefficient cars, if their management would get a clue about design. There is an American style of car design, just as there is an American style of cinema. And the latter, though it's in somewhat of a decline, is still a world leader.

As you say, looks like the UAW is looking to take early retirement.

524 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:08am

Very nasty fire burning in Sylmar, north edge of Los Angeles, for about eight hours now. A number of homes burned, hospital lost power and had to be partially evacuated, all major freeways shut through area, etc. This is 90 miles south of the Montecito fire near Santa Barbara.

Local Fox video coverage.

525 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:25am

I'm not much of a baseball fan, baseball being a game better enjoyed while playing than watching. What could bring me back?

Why, bringing in talented foreign players, of course.

526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:42am

re: #517 DistantThunder

Ha...Drudge and Biden are warning of an imminent terror attack in the next 90-100 days. The terrorist have us right where they want most of us...with our guard down...peace, love, light, pass the Obama bong.

I'm betting there are a bunch of tough smart bastards still starin' the bad guys down.

Marines (tough smart bastards)
Army (tough smart bastards)
Navy (tough smart bastards)
Coast Guard (tough smart bastards)
Air Force (tough smart bastards)

Go eff 'em up boys!

527 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:57am

re: #520 realwest

Huh. Well I'm glad your gums are healing up ok, and about the new contract, but your VETTE! Skip a payment to the Dental guys and fix the windshield! PLEASE!
The idea of you driving around in something other than that red Vette is disturbing to me - probably not all that thrilling to you, either!

No, don't do that. Denture repossession is up 73% this year!

528 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:07am

re: #524 itellu3times

Very nasty fire burning in Sylmar, north edge of Los Angeles, for about eight hours now. A number of homes burned, hospital lost power and had to be partially evacuated, all major freeways shut through area, etc. This is 90 miles south of the Montecito fire near Santa Barbara.

Local Fox video coverage.

Alqueda recommends setting fires.

529 BignJames  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:32am

re: #502 Bumr50

I got to a periodontist next month for gum disease. I hear it hurts.


Not too bad actually....if you need surgery they'll prolly only do 1/2 of a gum at a time.

530 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:50am

re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

and girls! (sorry!)

531 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:57:01am

re: #498 realwest

THEN they'll merge or go outta business.

My guess is they will squeeze whatever support they can out of these morons in Washington, and then GM and Chrysler will merge, Ford will declare bankruptcy to get out from under the bills and then sell out their assets to the GM/Chrysler group.

532 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:58:15am

re: #520 realwest

Huh. Well I'm glad your gums are healing up ok, and about the new contract, but your VETTE! Skip a payment to the Dental guys and fix the windshield! PLEASE!
The idea of you driving around in something other than that red Vette is disturbing to me - probably not all that thrilling to you, either!

ROTFLMAO.......... Yea, it's not all that thrilling to me either, however I am finally approaching a settlement with USAA over last years accident. I am going to put off replacing the windshield until then. I'm also probably going to buy a slightly newer vette and fix this one up to run at the local drag strip.... ;p

533 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:47am

re: #527 Walter L. Newton

No, don't do that. Denture repossession is up 73% this year!

Yikes................ROTFLMAO..................... ................. ;)

534 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:48am

re: #523 Dar ul Harb

I don't think that design is a major issue until labor costs are under control. Management is handcuffed so badly that I can't hold them responsible. I am not in the camp that believes the Big 3 need to exist.
Ben Stein was on Fox yesterday arguing that we need them for manufacturing in case of a large land war. I mean c'mon. If that's the best they're coming up with...

That said, I would be happy with a bailout (it's gonna happen) that at least in some form overtly penalizes the UAW commensurate with the egregious costs they have incurred. It at least needs to be acknowledged before they get a penny.

535 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:02am

re: #512 doriangrey

Yea, because that worked sooooo well for the Germans........................... ;)

Agreed, but it will give Obama a short time where he can pretend to the public that we can have it all. Obama has never made a tough decision in his life and I don't expect him to start now.

Inflating the currency is the path of least resistance for him so that is the way he will go.

536 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:10am

re: #531 3 wood

My guess is they will squeeze whatever support they can out of these morons in Washington, and then GM and Chrysler will merge, Ford will declare bankruptcy to get out from under the bills and then sell out their assets to the GM/Chrysler group.

Why would a sane person bail out the auto makers with 25 billion dollars (and going up as we speak) when, in a fair market, you could buy GM outright for about $2 billion, and Ford for about $5 billion?

Though at least Ford has about 2 to 3 times the assest to debt ratio, whereas GM has more debt than assets.

537 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:28am

re: #516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was Hoosier. He's watching "The Worlds Fastest Indian".

GREAT MOVIE!
I give it 4 and 1/2 stars..

538 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:37am

re: #525 razorbacker

A clock on the pitcher.

539 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:49am

re: #531 3 wood

My guess is they will squeeze whatever support they can out of these morons in Washington, and then GM and Chrysler will merge, Ford will declare bankruptcy to get out from under the bills and then sell out their assets to the GM/Chrysler group.

Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.

540 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:01:19am

re: #537 HoosierHoops

GREAT MOVIE!
I give it 4 and 1/2 stars..

81% on RottenTomatoes.com

541 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:01:56am
542 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:02:11am

re: #536 razorbacker

I think that the 25 billion was money already promised (earmarked if you will), they just want it NOW. The bailout talk is above and beyond that figure.

543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:02:50am

re: #539 Dar ul Harb

Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.

Their Cheesy Bean and Rice Burrito is really good. I recommend it without the nacho cheese sauce. It sucks.

By the way, just to check my trivia...didn't click link. Demolition Man?

544 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:03:14am

All these visiting economic leaders should visit an American grocery store - and absorb the wonder of 50,000 products produced and deliver that exactly match the preferences of the the American public.

Another miracle of capitalism.

545 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:36am

re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lenina Huxley is a BABE!

546 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:32am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton
Ah yeah I did, but then got sidetracked.
Your

Or, a more honest, truthful and intelligent approach would be to allow individuals or groups to place holiday symbols on designated public property, at no cost to the city. And for the hand wringing and teeth gnashing city lawyers, hey, consider it job security. You'll have something new to jam up the courts with."

Seems like the right thing to do, which means, of course, that the politicos won't do it.
And I thought Boulder had annexed Golden a couple of years ago, no?!

547 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:59am

re: #495 saberry0530
Bad timing. Cars aren't real popular this morning.

548 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:06:01am

re: #507 3 wood

There is a 5th option, which is to just inflate the currency and print the money, like post WW1 Germany did.

Which is exactly what I think Obama will do.

It's exactly what I believe Paulson has already done, to the tune of about two trillion dollars so far.

I am just about ready to go full black helicopter, aluminum foil hat, pyramid power, Lor Nuap Lyndon LaRouche Rosie Odonnell William Jennings Itellu3times on this business: You shall not press down upon the brow of voters this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of debt.

Paulson Calls for Investment in Monorail, Band Uniforms

549 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:06:26am

re: #542 Bumr50

I think that the 25 billion was money already promised (earmarked if you will), they just want it NOW. The bailout talk is above and beyond that figure.

My question stands. Why pour in vastly more money than the companies are worth in order to leave them standing with the same old problems?

Why not just raise the white flag, send the UAW a printing press and plates, and let them print all the money they want?

'Cause that's about what they are doing?

On another note, I see that the MI gov. is going to the Middle East. I didn't even know they had an auto industry to destroy.

550 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:06:36am

re: #544 DistantThunder

All these visiting economic leaders should visit an American grocery store - and absorb the wonder of 50,000 products produced and deliver that exactly match the preferences of the the American public.

Another miracle of capitalism.

An American grocery store is indeed an amazing place, isn't it?

I've read where newcomers from other countries, primarily those years ago from Soviet Russia, would be so overwhelmed by the sheer number of choices for each type of product, that they would not be able to make a decision.

551 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:07:18am

re: #536 razorbacker

Why would a sane person bail out the auto makers with 25 billion dollars (and going up as we speak) when, in a fair market, you could buy GM outright for about $2 billion, and Ford for about $5 billion?

Cuz after you buy it, it's still bankrupt.

552 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:07:27am

re: #544 DistantThunder

All these visiting economic leaders should visit an American grocery store - and absorb the wonder of 50,000 products produced and deliver that exactly match the preferences of the the American public. Another miracle of capitalism.

I'm a bit confused. I have been in many European supermarkets, and there doesn't seem to be any lack of products. And the products match the preferences of the buying public.

I'm not sure I understand your comment.

553 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:07:44am

re: #550 reine.de.tout

An American grocery store is indeed an amazing place, isn't it?

I've read where newcomers from other countries, primarily those years ago from Soviet Russia, would be so overwhelmed by the sheer number of choices for each type of product, that they would not be able to make a decision.

Good morning reine.de.tout..... ;)

554 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:08:21am

re: #482 realwest

Uh, with all due respect, it's considered by some - or at least by me - to be "bad form" to make comments about former posters when you know they can't respond. Read what happened and reach your own conclussions.

I agree with this sentiment. Speak well of the digitally departed.

555 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:14am

re: #534 Bumr50

I don't think that design is a major issue until labor costs are under control. Management is handcuffed so badly that I can't hold them responsible. I am not in the camp that believes the Big 3 need to exist.

I'm not disagreeing with that analysis. The question for the U.S. brands (and their unions) is whether they want to make cars that will sell and make some money and grow their marketshare, or fight over "spreading the wealth around" and become a welfare program.

556 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:15am

re: #551 itellu3times

Cuz after you buy it, it's still bankrupt.

Buy the darned things for $7 billion, spend the rest making retired auto workers rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and rely on the market to replace them with something.

557 BignJames  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:32am

re: #554 shay4l


Even Cognito?

558 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:38am

What Happens if You're on the Gay "Enemies List"

(This is the actual title of this Time Magazine article.)

559 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:51am

re: #544 DistantThunder

All these visiting economic leaders should visit an American grocery store - and absorb the wonder of 50,000 products produced and deliver that exactly match the preferences of the the American public.

Another miracle of capitalism.

Communists should NOT be allowed to partake in the wonders of capitalism.

560 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:56am

re: #522 realwest

I see where the Yankees traded for Steve Swisher from the White Sox.

Here's the scouting report on him from 3 wood:


Strengths: Knows the strike zone well and will work the count on the pitcher. Gets a lot of walks. Good breaking ball hitter. Medium power. Can play both outfield and infield, best position 1st base. Good #2 or #5 hitter.

Weaknesses: Ignores the coaches signals and does what ever he dang well feels like on the field. Get's tired easy, needs a lot of days off, and will go into at least one long funk during the year. Tries to jerk every inside fastball out of the park. Thinks he's a base stealer and isn't. Knock him down at the plate and he is scared green for the rest of the game.

Overall, should be a positive addition to the Yankees.

561 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:10:29am

re: #559 FrogMarch

American Communists should NOT be allowed to partake in the wonders of capitalism.

562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:10:42am

re: #545 Bumr50

Yes! Who?

563 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:11:12am

re: #546 realwest

Ah yeah I did, but then got sidetracked...
And I thought Boulder had annexed Golden a couple of years ago, no?!

Well, you would think so, at least after some of the stunts they have pulled lately. Remember the "let's spend city money and sponsor a BBQ for Al Jazeera at the city managers house during the DEM convention" debacle. Maybe I missed the annexing. I should ask my apartment manager where their water bill now comes from.

564 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #558 DistantThunder

What Happens if You're on the Gay "Enemies List"

(This is the actual title of this Time Magazine article.)

You're screwed..... In a really ugly way.....

565 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:11:44am

re: #555 Dar ul Harb

Agreed.

566 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:11:57am

re: #560 3 wood

Congrats to my fellow Arkie on winning the Cy Young. Perhaps the best pitcher from AR since Dizzy and Daffy.

567 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:17am

re: #562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes! Who?

Sandra Bullock................. drool drool......

568 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:21am

re: #544 DistantThunder

All these visiting economic leaders should visit an American grocery store - and absorb the wonder of 50,000 products produced and deliver that exactly match the preferences of the the American public.

Another miracle of capitalism.

Australian grocery stores aren't too far behind the US. We're spoiled for choice as well.

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:45am

re: #566 razorbacker

Did you see that VMI (Virginia Military Institute) whooped up on UK last night?

570 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:01am

re: #562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sandra Bullock's character in Demolition Man. A not so subtle Brave New World allusion.

571 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:29am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In riflery?

572 Miss Trixie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:42am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

{realwest} Hullo, luv *smoochie-smooch* How are you today. sweet thang?

Talking Cats

and the translation ... :D

573 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:05am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you see that VMI (Virginia Military Institute) whooped up on UK last night?

It's like the Citadel coming in and beating the Razorbacks.

Or, for that matter, like the Hogs going to LSU last year and winning.

574 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:07am

BBIAW

575 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:15:19am

Huh. Did any of y'all ever hear of a Vietnam Veteran named Joe Hooper? No? Me neither, but check this out:
"Captain Joe Ronnie Hooper (August 8, 1938–May 6, 1979) was a Vietnam veteran whose combat decorations surpassed those of Lt. Audie Murphy or Sgt. Alvin York. He was the recipient of America's highest military decoration for valor in combat — the Medal of Honor.

During two tours of duty with Delta Company, 2nd Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, he was awarded the Medal of Honor (February 21, 1968 outside of Hue), two Silver Stars for gallantry, 6 Bronze Stars for heroism, 8 Purple Hearts, and the Combat Infantryman Badge.
Due to the nature of the war in Vietnam, there were not as many medals available as in World War I and World War II — no allied medals, nor any victory medals.[citation needed]

He is credited with 115 enemy kills in ground combat, 22 of which occurred on February 21, 1968."
[SNIP]
"Rumors persist that he became distressed by the anti-war politics of the time and took to excessive drinking which contributed to his death.[1] He died of a cerebral hemorrhage in Louisville, Kentucky May 6, 1979 at the age of 40.

Captain Joe R. Hooper holds a place with Sgt. Alvin York and Capt. Audie Murphy as one of the most decorated soldiers in army history. He remains the most decorated soldier of the Vietnam war. Captain Hooper is buried at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 46, adjacent to the Memorial Amphitheater."
[emphasis added realwest]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
And his gravesite is 20 paces from that of Audie Murphy.

576 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:16:38am

re: #567 doriangrey

Sandra Bullock................. drool drool......

Always thought she was cute, certainly not in a drool drool kind of way.

You want "drool drool"? Julie Newmar as Stupefying Jones. That is "drool drool"!

577 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:16:56am

re: #556 razorbacker

Buy the darned things for $7 billion, spend the rest making retired auto workers rich beyond the dreams of avarice, and rely on the market to replace them with something.

If anyone deserves bankruptcy, it'd be GM. They haven't built many attractive or interesting cars in over thirty years. Some of their current crop is passable, but that's about it.

Well, but like it or not, politically they will be bailed out, and maybe there's some thin macroeconomic justification for it, sort of. But just wait until they start building Pelosimobiles, HarryReidvans, and Obamacycles. All lovely vehicles but very high maintenance, and they only turn left.

578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:17:16am

re: #571 Bumr50

In riflery?

The fine art of Basketballing.

579 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:17:42am

re: #560 3 wood

Correction: that is Nick Swisher, not Steve.

Steve Swisher is his Dad, who was a no-hitting, rag-armed catcher with the Cubs about 30 years ago.

580 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:19:18am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you see that VMI (Virginia Military Institute) whooped up on UK last night?

Good morning all. What a beautiful thing!

581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:17am

re: #580 freedombilly

Good morning all. What a beautiful thing!

Obama's already working out for VMI! UK? eh, not so much.

582 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:30am

re: #560 3 wood

They can add the entire extended Swisher family and they will still end up in third place next year.

583 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:52am

re: #581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Spread the NCAA wealth!

584 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:21:12am

Aussiemagpie I hope your boys are playing better than mine. What a shit ref. we have got.

585 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:22:06am

I'm watching the fires in California on CNN.
It is terrible..All those houses on fire..just terrible..
God show mercy and give comfort to all those suffering today..

586 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:23:02am

Julie Newmar as Stupefying Jones

That (starting at about 25 seconds to 2:20) is "drool drool"!

587 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:23:55am

Bailing out GM is a huge mistake.
The democrats simply want to preserve the horrible inefficient anti-competitive UAW.
The democrats are slaves to the unions. Unions are going to be the death of American business.
It's why the democrats produce anti-walmart propaganda films.
Democrats detest the successful non-union business model. They hate that Walmart can provide low cost health care.

588 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:24:25am

re: #577 itellu3times

If anyone deserves bankruptcy, it'd be GM. They haven't built many attractive or interesting cars in over thirty years. Some of their current crop is passable, but that's about it.

Well, but like it or not, politically they will be bailed out, and maybe there's some thin macroeconomic justification for it, sort of. But just wait until they start building Pelosimobiles, HarryReidvans, and Obamacycles. All lovely vehicles but very high maintenance, and they only turn left.

The administration need to put the brakes on ALL of these bailout schemes. The government is giving out funds and they don't even have the oversight agency set up to make sure the money is being used for the purposes it was assign for.

We are getting screwed. Financial business that have already received funds are sitting on the money and not using it to extend credit to anyone. Amex is not a bank, yet they are going to change the rules, call themselves a bank and are asking for money. The automakers are PRIVATE business. This is the USA, not North Korea.

And on top of it all, conservative are jumping on this bandwagon. What in the world is wrong with this picture. Go ahead, we are cutting our own throats, let's just bleed out and become the carion of a new democratic socialist country.

Enjoy the handouts, it comes with a really high payback.

589 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:25:26am

re: #586 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Julie Newmar as Stupefying Jones

That (starting at about 25 seconds to 2:20) is "drool drool"!

Meh, she's ok... A little old for my tastes though.....

590 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:25:35am

good morning from a wind-driven rainy area of the United States of America!

591 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:25:41am
592 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:26:15am

re: #590 outsidephilly

good morning from a wind-driven rainy area of the United States of America!

Good morning philly

593 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:00am

re: #553 doriangrey

Good morning reine.de.tout..... ;)

Mornin'! I left for a minute and just now getting back

594 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:20am

re: #592 HoosierHoops

Good morning philly

how's things by you?

595 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:56am

re: #553 doriangrey

Good morning reine.de.tout..... ;)

Mornin'! I left for a minute and just now getting back

Top of the morning to y'all!

596 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:01am

re: #590 outsidephilly

good morning from a wind-driven rainy area of the United States of America!

Good morning OutsidePhilly. And here, in Golden, Co. Nineteen degrees, a light dusting of snow around grassy areas, left over from Fridays mornings show showers, going into the 50's today. Clear for the next 2-3 days.

597 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:19am

We need an open reg! No noob around I had to get my own damn coffee this morning....

sheesh! what this world is coming too!

598 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:44am

ACK!
I've got roofers on my roof, they showed up at 7:30 this morning.

None of the animals will go outside, they're all huddled together in one room, one of the cats is under the bed and won't come out.

It is some kind of noisy up there.

599 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:09am

re: #583 freedombilly

Spread the NCAA wealth!

YEAH!

University of Washington......
0 and something.....

600 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:14am

re: #560 3 wood
Uh,

Ignores the coaches signals and does what ever he dang well feels like on the field. Get's tired easy, needs a lot of days off, and will go into at least one long funk during the year. Tries to jerk every inside fastball out of the park. Thinks he's a base stealer and isn't. Knock him down at the plate and he is scared green for the rest of the game.


Oh yeah, sounds just like the kind of guy the Yankees need.
BTW, you mentioned a few weeks or so ago that Derek Jeter was rated the worst shortstop in baseball and I'd love to know who gave him that dubious distinction? I mean, he only is a career (10+ years) .300+ BA, has more post-season hits than any player in baseball history and is the epitome of a team player.
And for a poor fielder, well I still remember when he cut off that throw from Paul O'Neil from rightfield, and backflipped it to the catcher to tag out the other player and the Yanks went on to the World's Championship.
THIBBIT! LOL!

601 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:22am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

ACK!
I've got roofers on my roof, they showed up at 7:30 this morning.
None of the animals will go outside, they're all huddled together in one room, one of the cats is under the bed and won't come out.
It is some kind of noisy up there.

Are they legal?

602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:25am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

If you ask them politely, I'll bet they will hammer quietly.

603 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:33am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

Good morning OutsidePhilly. And here, in Golden, Co. Nineteen degrees, a light dusting of snow around grassy areas, left over from Fridays mornings show showers, going into the 50's today. Clear for the next 2-3 days.

Remember the movie White Christmas when Bing, et al, started singing, "Snow, Snow, Snow . . . . . .? I am so ready for a good ole fashion Currier & Ives snowstorm!

604 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:08am

re: #601 Walter L. Newton

Everybody's legal now Walter. Didn'tcha get the memo?

605 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:10am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

ACK!
I've got roofers on my roof, they showed up at 7:30 this morning.

None of the animals will go outside, they're all huddled together in one room, one of the cats is under the bed and won't come out.

It is some kind of noisy up there.

. . . . , bet you're awake now!

606 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:14am

Howdy!
Been an interesting morning..Getting ready to go out for Breakfast..

607 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:25am

re: #590 outsidephilly

good morning from a wind-driven rainy area of the United States of America!

We have a beautiful day here (south Louisiana) - clear, low humidity, mid-50's, nice breeze. Just a perfect day.

608 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:38am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

ACK!
I've got roofers on my roof, they showed up at 7:30 this morning.

None of the animals will go outside, they're all huddled together in one room, one of the cats is under the bed and won't come out.

It is some kind of noisy up there.

Lions and Tiger and Roofer's OH MY..... lol...lol...lol...

609 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:51am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

ACK!
I've got roofers on my roof, they showed up at 7:30 this morning.

None of the animals will go outside, they're all huddled together in one room, one of the cats is under the bed and won't come out.

It is some kind of noisy up there.

In high school my dad worked on at a campground retreat center. Early one morning. BANG! on the roof, followed by more, we go outside, the squirrels were knocking pine cones out of the trees.

610 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:18am

re: #600 realwest

Uh,


Oh yeah, sounds just like the kind of guy the Yankees need.
BTW, you mentioned a few weeks or so ago that Derek Jeter was rated the worst shortstop in baseball and I'd love to know who gave him that dubious distinction? I mean, he only is a career (10+ years) .300+ BA, has more post-season hits than any player in baseball history and is the epitome of a team player.
And for a poor fielder, well I still remember when he cut off that throw from Paul O'Neil from rightfield, and backflipped it to the catcher to tag out the other player and the Yanks went on to the World's Championship.
THIBBIT! LOL!

speaking of winning the World's Championship
/ducking

611 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:20am

Odd. I updinged a link at the top of the page - and before I had a chance to heart it - it disappeared. I thought I had imagined it - but the article was gone - and this was in the middle of the links probably about 10 down from the top.

So I tried again on another link - updinged - moved my curser to the right but before I could "heart" it - the whole link disappeared right from under my cursor.

612 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:39am

re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian VMI beat GREAT BRITAIN last night?! What?

614 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:04am

re: #601 Walter L. Newton

Are they legal?

One speaks a smidgeon of pidgeon - the others do not appear to speak or understand English at all.

But they are working very very hard - they did the neighbor's roof and did an excellent job for a reasonable price.

I don't know if they are legal. But they are here, on the day, date and time promised, and working hard.

615 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:15am

re: #607 reine.de.tout

We have a beautiful day here (south Louisiana) - clear, low humidity, mid-50's, nice breeze. Just a perfect day.

Having seen much of the sun since election day around here.

616 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:39am

re: #608 doriangrey

Lions and Tiger and Roofer's OH MY..... lol...lol...lol...

It's what it sounds like.
Daughter just came through and said it reminds her of the movie "Signs" - "they're on the roof!".

617 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:48am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

oh yeah, you're a keeper!

618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:52am

re: #612 realwest

Well, they could....

619 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:54am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Remember the movie White Christmas when Bing, et al, started singing, "Snow, Snow, Snow . . . . . .? I am so ready for a good ole fashion Currier & Ives snowstorm!

Your wish is my command....

Quit brushing your dandruff on people.... lol...lol...lol...

620 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:02am

re: #603 outsidephilly

Remember the movie White Christmas when Bing, et al, started singing, "Snow, Snow, Snow . . . . . .? I am so ready for a good ole fashion Currier & Ives snowstorm!

That doesn't happen that much in the Philly area. More so in the northeastern part of your state. For a matter of fact, if I remember correctly, I rarely saw snow on Philly area streets in the 8 years that I was in the city during Nov, Dec, and Jan.

I lived in North Jersey, about 90 miles away. Got a lot of snow drving in and out of Philly, but never much around the city.

621 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:34:10am

re: #607 reine.de.tout

We have a beautiful day here (south Louisiana) - clear, low humidity, mid-50's, nice breeze. Just a perfect day.

Mid 50's there. Wow, Gore was right, global cooling.

622 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:34:15am

re: #605 outsidephilly

. . . . , bet you're awake now!

Oh, yes!

623 ciaospirit  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:34:54am

re: #541 FrogMarch

Good day fine lizards.

He reached depths of oratorical drivel never even plumbed by our own Mr Blair...

The guy makes some good points. From your link:


The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation. At least Mandela-worship – its nearest equivalent – is focused on a man who actually did something.

I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts.
...
Mr Obama, thanks mainly to the now-departed grandmother he alternately praised as a saint and denounced as a racial bigot, has the huge advantages of an expensive private education. He did not have to grow up in the badlands of useless schools, shattered families and gangs which are the lot of so many young black men of his generation.
...
And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth?

624 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:35:31am

re: #602 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you ask them politely, I'll bet they will hammer quietly.

Not bloody likely.

625 yochanan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:35:34am

re: #589 doriangrey

define old sonny

626 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:09am

re: #620 Walter L. Newton

That doesn't happen that much in the Philly area. More so in the northeastern part of your state. For a matter of fact, if I remember correctly, I rarely saw snow on Philly area streets in the 8 years that I was in the city during Nov, Dec, and Jan.

I lived in North Jersey, about 90 miles away. Got a lot of snow drving in and out of Philly, but never much around the city.

again, its a wish . . . . . , although, with ANY snow hint around here, you'd think the 'meteorologists' had just invented sliced bread!

627 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:16am

re: #572 {Miss Trixie} Well good morning to you gorgeous! *Smooches* right back to you!
I was doing ok today until I found out about and posted my #575 and was totally underwhelmed by the response to it.
Even from TFK.
Hope you're doing well though!

628 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:38am

re: #625 yochanan


Yochanan - how are you today?
You were pretty weirdly funny yesterday.

629 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:56am
630 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:37:11am

re: #619 doriangrey

Quit brushing your dandruff on people.... lol...lol...lol...

we're great minds - that think alike . . . . .

631 Irish Rose  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:37:27am

Good morning, again.
Ahhhhh, Saturdays......

632 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:37:56am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

Not bloody likely.

. . . . , add a pretty please

633 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:38:24am

re: #582 freedombilly
Yep, just ahead of the Bosox in fourth place!

634 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:38:24am

re: #625 yochanan

define old sonny

Anyone old enough to drool over Julie Newmar.............................

635 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:30am

re: #634 doriangrey

Anyone old enough to drool over Julie Newmar.............................

wow, that's old!
////

636 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:51am

re: #635 outsidephilly

wow, that's old!
////

;)

637 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:59am
638 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:40:16am

Russia searches for right tone on Obama

After Barack Obama's election win, Kremlin officials argued over whether Russian President Dmitry Medvedev should congratulate him with a warm, handwritten letter or an impersonal note, according to one analyst.

The don't to appear to ecstatic, the biggest coupe for them since Philby.

639 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:40:29am

re: #635 outsidephilly

wow, that's old!
////

is she the girl on the Matlock series, the DA?

640 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:41:49am

re: #606 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - whaddya mean going OUT for breakfast?
Doncha know we're in a recession/depression and you're supposed to hoard every buck or even quarter you come across?!

641 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:42:07am

re: #584 Erik The Red

Aussiemagpie I hope your boys are playing better than mine. What a shit ref. we have got.

Nailbiting time here ....

642 Miss Trixie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:43:27am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

ACK!
I've got roofers on my roof, they showed up at 7:30 this morning.

None of the animals will go outside, they're all huddled together in one room, one of the cats is under the bed and won't come out.

It is some kind of noisy up there.

Hiya, toots. :D

My roof was replaced a coupla summers ago and while they did a decent job, some idjit missed the joist and put his foot through causing a huge 16' crack in my bedroom ceiling.

Next summer, the outside stucco will be replaced by siding (these are townhouses) and from what I've seen from last summer's jobs, these turkeys have destroyed some backyards, have not replaced insulation and drywall damage is quite common for some of my neighbors and they've had to hire contractors for reparations.

*shudder*

Not looking forward to it, I tell you what.

643 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:43:32am

re: #610 outsidephilly
Which of the Yankees 27 world championships are ya talking about?

644 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:43:44am

re: #638 JCM

Russia searches for right tone on Obama The(y) don't to appear to ecstatic, the biggest coupe for them since Philby.

Maybe a central committee can compose the congrats?

645 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:06am

re: #575 realwest

Huh. Did any of y'all ever hear of a Vietnam Veteran named Joe Hooper? No? Me neither, but check this out:
"Captain Joe Ronnie Hooper (August 8, 1938–May 6, 1979) was a Vietnam veteran whose combat decorations surpassed those of Lt. Audie Murphy or Sgt. Alvin York. He was the recipient of America's highest military decoration for valor in combat — the Medal of Honor.

During two tours of duty with Delta Company, 2nd Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, he was awarded the Medal of Honor (February 21, 1968 outside of Hue), two Silver Stars for gallantry, 6 Bronze Stars for heroism, 8 Purple Hearts, and the Combat Infantryman Badge.
Due to the nature of the war in Vietnam, there were not as many medals available as in World War I and World War II — no allied medals, nor any victory medals.[citation needed]

He is credited with 115 enemy kills in ground combat, 22 of which occurred on February 21, 1968."
[SNIP]
"Rumors persist that he became distressed by the anti-war politics of the time and took to excessive drinking which contributed to his death.[1] He died of a cerebral hemorrhage in Louisville, Kentucky May 6, 1979 at the age of 40.

Captain Joe R. Hooper holds a place with Sgt. Alvin York and Capt. Audie Murphy as one of the most decorated soldiers in army history. He remains the most decorated soldier of the Vietnam war. Captain Hooper is buried at Arlington National Cemetery in Section 46, adjacent to the Memorial Amphitheater."
[emphasis added realwest]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
And his gravesite is 20 paces from that of Audie Murphy.

That took my breath away!

646 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:30am

Interesting variety of topics this morning. Stupefying Jones, GM bailout, roofers, the weather, baseball, football,Roy Warden, gay enemies, Sandra Bullock, and Captain Joseph R Hooper At Realwest's #575 - most interesting - there should have been a goddamn victory medal for Vietnam. I hate these wars where the goal posts keep getting moved.

I'll just mainline some espresso here to keep up.

647 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:51am

re: #639 outsidephilly

is she the girl on the Matlock series, the DA?

No, she is the original Catwoman from the Batman TV series.

648 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:45:03am

re: #644 Walter L. Newton

Maybe a central committee can compose the congrats?

They are busy, working on our new five year plan.......

649 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:45:40am

re: #614 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! uh if

But they are working very very hard - they did the neighbor's roof and did an excellent job for a reasonable price.

I don't know if they are legal. But they are here, on the day, date and time promised, and working hard.


then they may or may not be legal, but they for sure aren't union!
How are you today?

650 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:46:24am

re: #542 Bumr50

I think that the 25 billion was money already promised (earmarked if you will), they just want it NOW. The bailout talk is above and beyond that figure.

The car makers have already been granted 25 billion for retooling the industry to develop the next generation of fuel-efficient or electric cars, which is in part attributable to the vunderbar scam of Gorebull Worming.

What the car makers are really asking for is another 25 billion for what they call legacy costs declaring them as part of that great canard 'health care costs.'

This scheme has a minimum total cost to the taxpayer of 50 billion going to businesses which make a lousy product while supporting the highly inefficient Unions whose specialty is low productivity at higher costs while producing inefficient, extremely low quality products.

Fook'em.

651 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:46:27am

re: #647 doriangrey

No, she is the original Catwoman from the Batman TV series.

Oh, I thought because her name on the show is 'Julie' . . . . . . . ,

652 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:47:22am

re: #649 realwest

Good morning reine! uh if


then they may or may not be legal, but they for sure aren't union!
How are you today?

How many union construction workers does it take to change a lightbulb?


8.

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT!

653 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:47:34am

re: #623 ciaospirit

Where now is our last best hope on Earth?


I think those are gems myself.

654 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:47:35am

re: #631 Irish Rose
Good morning Rose! How are you today?

655 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:05am

re: #652 JCM

How many union construction workers does it take to change a lightbulb?


8.

YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT!

. . . , that's not a union requirement
///

656 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:36am

re: #642 Miss Trixie

Hiya, toots. :D

My roof was replaced a coupla summers ago and while they did a decent job, some idjit missed the joist and put his foot through causing a huge 16' crack in my bedroom ceiling.. . .

*shudder*

Not looking forward to it, I tell you what.

My house is an oldie, built in the 1940's. I like it, it has a certain charm that the newer homes don't have plus a very large yard, BUT the joists in EACH ROOM run a different way. The construction is really strange. I hope these guys know what they're doing.

657 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:48am

re: #600 realwest

Uh,


Oh yeah, sounds just like the kind of guy the Yankees need.
BTW, you mentioned a few weeks or so ago that Derek Jeter was rated the worst shortstop in baseball and I'd love to know who gave him that dubious distinction? I mean, he only is a career (10+ years) .300+ BA, has more post-season hits than any player in baseball history and is the epitome of a team player.
And for a poor fielder, well I still remember when he cut off that throw from Paul O'Neil from rightfield, and backflipped it to the catcher to tag out the other player and the Yanks went on to the World's Championship.
THIBBIT! LOL!

I am as rabid a Red Sox fan as there is. My hatred for the Yankees is palpable and completely irrational. But calling Derek Jeter the worst shortstop in baseball is ridiculous. He is not the player that he used to be but he has been a steadying force on the Yankees for nearly a decade and a half. His leadership is possibly the best in all of baseball and best of all he leads by example. He represents his sport and his team with the utmost in class and dignity.

The day he retires I am going to tie one on in a big way. I can't wait until he is out of my life! But only because I wish he were on my team.

658 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:49:17am

re: #650 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

The car makers have already been granted 25 billion for retooling the industry to develop the next generation of fuel-efficient or electric cars, which is in part attributable to the vunderbar scam of Gorebull Worming.

What the car makers are really asking for is another 25 billion for what they call legacy costs declaring them as part of that great canard 'health care costs.'

This scheme has a minimum total cost to the taxpayer of 50 billion going to businesses which make a lousy product while supporting the highly inefficient Unions whose specialty is low productivity at higher costs while producing inefficient, extremely low quality products.

Fook'em.

The automakers are economic dinosaurs. If they don't fail, they won't learn. The assembly lines, equipment designs won't simply vanish if they go under. Different management will pick up the pieces and run it all more efficiently.

659 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:49:39am

re: #652 JCM

LOL! OK- here's one from me-

How many smurfs does it take to smurf a smurf? Smurfteen! *Teehee*

660 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:50:03am

re: #656 reine.de.tout

My house is an oldie, built in the 1940's. I like it, it has a certain charm that the newer homes don't have plus a very large yard, BUT the joists in EACH ROOM run a different way. The construction is really strange. I hope these guys know what they're doing.

older homes have LOTS of character - they have a 'snuggly' feel about them!

661 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:50:28am

re: #550 reine.de.tout

An American grocery store is indeed an amazing place, isn't it?

I've read where newcomers from other countries, primarily those years ago from Soviet Russia, would be so overwhelmed by the sheer number of choices for each type of product, that they would not be able to make a decision.

Imagine my surprise, one day I am in my local mom and pop store (not even a big store) and in come Mr. and Mrs. Gorbachev. They walked around as if they had witnessed the 2nd coming. True story, back in the early '80s in a neighborhood in San Francisco.

662 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:07am

re: #659 Sharmuta

LOL! OK- here's one from me-

How many smurfs does it take to smurf a smurf? Smurfteen! *Teehee*

That's disgusting! I'm filing a complaint with the NAABP! It that kind of thing that keeps Blue People down!

663 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:14am
664 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:15am

re: #645 outsidephilly
Thank you. I guess I shoulda posted it on Veteran's Day, huh?
But I appreciate your appreciation.

665 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:31am

re: #643 realwest

Which of the Yankees 27 world championships are ya talking about?

RW - I came to Jeter's defense but I can't let this one go. You've only got 26!

Which, I admit, is slightly more than the 7 my Sox have!

666 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:32am

re: #659 Sharmuta

LOL! OK- here's one from me-

How many smurfs does it take to smurf a smurf? Smurfteen! *Teehee*

*groan*

667 Miss Trixie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:04am

realwest, thanks, we're just fine although we won't be terrorizing the 'hood today on account of the icy rain pouring down so I've fed Lil Miss some scribbled eggs with a bit of cheddar and she's happily snoozing on the ugly sofa without a care in the world.

Gonna be a lazy day, I think. My beloved Stampeders are playing in the Western Final this afternoon against the Lions to see who goes to the Grey Cup. Ack! I always get so anxious during playoffs!

668 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:32am
669 CharlieBravo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:32am

re: #646 legalpad

I hate these wars where the goal posts keep getting moved.

My thought too, it was like being restricted from half the field while playing football.

~~[_]3 coffee time

670 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:35am

re: #661 rawmuse

Imagine my surprise, one day I am in my local mom and pop store (not even a big store) and in come Mr. and Mrs. Gorbachev. They walked around as if they had witnessed the 2nd coming. True story, back in the early '80s in a neighborhood in San Francisco.

We have so much here in America! I can't imagine living any where else!

671 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:48am

re: #666 reine.de.tout

Less than smurftastic, huh?

672 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:53:19am

It could be worse- I could be Jokey Smurf.

673 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:53:53am

re: #660 outsidephilly

older homes have LOTS of character - they have a 'snuggly' feel about them!

Yes, that's exactly what I have. A "snuggly" feel. Probably what I liked about the house. Plus the front porch, big enough to actually be able to use it.

But I had the house before I got married, and my hubby's dad used to build houses. When he started looking at the construction of this place, he was completely weirded out.

674 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:54:14am
675 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:54:38am

re: #662 JCM

That's disgusting! I'm filing a complaint with the NAABP! It that kind of thing that keeps Blue People down!

No, what keeps down Blue People is the serious shortage of really hot Blue womenz.................. ;p

676 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:18am

re: #663 taxfreekiller

I like that one. Hearted it, I did.

677 BignJames  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:18am

re: #657 freedombilly

re; Yankees...remember Ron Blomberg?...aka Clank?

678 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:27am

re: #650 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Darn shame too - my Chevy Duramax diesel's a great vehicle...but a good chunk of the purchase price went to a bloated union...

679 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:27am

re: #673 reine.de.tout

Yes, that's exactly what I have. A "snuggly" feel. Probably what I liked about the house. Plus the front porch, big enough to actually be able to use it.

But I had the house before I got married, and my hubby's dad used to build houses. When he started looking at the construction of this place, he was completely weirded out.

Do you mean weirded out in a good way?

680 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:16am

Good morning all, from Obamastan...

681 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:19am
682 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:26am

Okay. I've eaten breakfast and stopped shivering. Added a layer and now back out into the weather.

At dawn yesterday, 50+.

Dawn today, 20+.

I love the south.

683 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:35am

re: #680 apb1

Good morning all, from Obamastan...

good morning!

684 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:45am

Russia getting more and more upitty in our back yard...

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev plans to travel this month to Cuba and Venezuela, which have increasing military and trade ties with Moscow.

I'm sure The One will talk with them and nothing nefarious is afoot.

685 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:58:34am
686 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:58:39am

re: #675 doriangrey

No, what keeps down Blue People is the serious shortage of really hot Blue womenz.................. ;p

Watch it there, bub.

687 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:03am

re: #683 outsidephilly

Just sat down with my coffee to read the on-line news...a beautiful chill morning in norther Obamastan! How are things in your neck of the woods?

688 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:29am

re: #684 JCM

Russia getting more and more upitty in our back yard...

I'm sure The One will talk with them and nothing nefarious is afoot.

I sure Putin plans his travel itinerary

689 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:30am

re: #679 outsidephilly

Do you mean weirded out in a good way?

NO. Weirded out in a bad way. the construction is sound, but not up to any standard or code known to mankind LOL.

690 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:34am

re: #681 taxfreekiller

We will have another day of record heat today in northern CA. yesterday it got to 88. Sleeping was wonderful last night. All the windows open. We are going to hike up one of the local mountains. Could see some red fox, maybe some coyote, red tailed hawks.

691 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:34am

re: #5 pat

Really. My cat whines constantly. So does my pussy.

My cat don't blog, She, however, keeps me from blogging.

I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not. It remains to be seen......

As to your other whining proplem, that;s up to youl :)

692 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:00:51am

re: #687 apb1

Just sat down with my coffee to read the on-line news...a beautiful chill morning in norther Obamastan! How are things in your neck of the woods?

We have some serious windy, rainy weather going on here - YUCK! Is the sky sunny in Obamastan?

693 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:00:53am

re: #682 razorbacker

Okay. I've eaten breakfast and stopped shivering. Added a layer and now back out into the weather. At dawn yesterday, 50+. Dawn today, 20+. I love the south.

Where in the south are you at 20+ degrees? I'm in Golden, Colorado and we had 19 this morning, but hell, this is Colorado.

694 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:19am

Mornin' all. Looks like a fine day outside. May have to bundle up and go for a bike ride.

695 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:21am

re: #686 reine.de.tout

Watch it there, bub.

Let's see.... One Blue woman... Fifty Blue men.... Anyone really need to ask why they are BLUE...................... lol...lol...lol...

696 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:35am

re: #646 legalpad Don't you know there could never be a "Victory" medal for Vietnam, cause Congress lost that war.
Just effin' pathetic.
I received some of that information from a guy named Col. "Mac" McNair - founder and President of something called the American Veteran's Legacy Campaign who's looking for money to do pretty much the kind of thing that I did waaay back in the day (with 7 other guys, including a Medal Of Honor Winner from the 101st whom I've e-mailed and HE never heard of Joe Hooper either). And of course Col. "Mac" is looking for money, but I can't find anything at all about the American Verterans' Legacy Campaign through Google. Hooper's information I got from Wiki.
Sure wish I could find out more about Col. Mac Magregor and the American Veteran's Legacy Campaign.

697 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:37am

re: #690 rawmuse

We will have another day of record heat today in northern CA. yesterday it got to 88. Sleeping was wonderful last night. All the windows open. We are going to hike up one of the local mountains. Could see some red fox, maybe some coyote, red tailed hawks.

It's mid November and Seattle has been mild enough I haven't had to start heating the house yet.

698 razorbacker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:02:46am

re: #693 Walter L. Newton

Where in the south are you at 20+ degrees? I'm in Golden, Colorado and we had 19 this morning, but hell, this is Colorado.

Northwest Arkansas. It's going to warm up today to somewhere in the lower 40s.

So I've got that going for me.

Y'all be as civil as circumstances will allow.

bbl

699 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:02:46am

re: #689 reine.de.tout

NO. Weirded out in a bad way. the construction is sound, but not up to any standard or code known to mankind LOL.

ROTFLMAO.... Must be a Frank Loyd Wright House.....

700 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:02:48am

re: #692 outsidephilly

Not at all - pure overcast, and possible flurries later ...

701 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:17am

re: #689 reine.de.tout

NO. Weirded out in a bad way. the construction is sound, but not up to any standard or code known to mankind LOL.

Yet, your house has stood the test of time, weather, etc.! Makes ya wonder who built it . . . .

702 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:26am

BBIAW - Getting dressed and walking across the street to Walgreens. All this talk of coffee and breakfast, I'm out, I need some, unfortunately, it has to be decaf. Crap. But I'm jonesing for some coffee, any coffee.

703 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:39am

Morning you all. Just sitting here waiting on a little rescue dog to visit. She is a cutie, we just need to see if we are a match.

704 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:07am

re: #696 realwest
If it ain't the VFW, DAV, or Wounded Warrior Project I damn well do my research before giving them any money. There are some real slimy people out there using official sounding military orgs to rip people off.

705 negativ[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:11am
706 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:13am

re: #697 JCM

We are in a nice little heat bubble right now. But we need rain, and I hope we start getting it soon.

707 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:19am

re: #697 JCM

It's mid November and Seattle has been mild enough I haven't had to start heating the house yet.

Wonder what its like in Friday Harbor . . . .

708 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:19am

re: #650 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Hey aboo! As I mentioned somewhere up above, the money they are NOW looking for will be used by them to pay back the loans they took out from the Unions' Pension Plan (UAW, mostly).
Fook 'em is right.

709 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:35am

re: #689 reine.de.tout

NO. Weirded out in a bad way. the construction is sound, but not up to any standard or code known to mankind LOL.

A lot of old house are that way. Built by guys who knew there stuff, but did it their way.

710 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:05:17am

re: #705 negativ

may an IED kill my children, each and every one = patriotic. my tax bill goes up 2% = the end of civilization as we know it

Opps, I'm not going anywhere, forget the fucking coffee. Anyone want to play whack the troll?

711 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:05:34am

re: #701 outsidephilly

Yet, your house has stood the test of time, weather, etc.! Makes ya wonder who built it . . . .

And recently, the test of Katrina, Rita and Gustav. So it's plenty enough sound. Just built strangely.

712 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:05:48am

re: #707 outsidephilly

Wonder what its like in Friday Harbor . . . .

See for yourself...

713 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:06:07am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

No, it uses lousy math.

714 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:06:25am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

And recently, the test of Katrina, Rita and Gustav. So it's plenty enough sound. Just built strangely.

No, no, no..... that's called character......

715 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:06:56am

re: #663 taxfreekiller
Then please read my #575. Even if Hooper wasn't a First American (more accurate that Native American).

716 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:07:29am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

Naah - this douche's not worth the energy. As a side note, my mrs. and I fresh-grind our coffee - noisy, but a great flavor. Time for another cup!

717 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:08:00am

re: #705 negativ

may an IED kill my children, each and every one = patriotic. my tax bill goes up 2% = the end of civilization as we know it

First of all asshole, let's have a few links to a comment like the one you made above. "IED kills my children equals being patriotic" and while you are at it, where do you get a figure like 2%.

If you are going to come out of the woodwork and spout off shit head statement, then at least back them up with some facts.

Jerk!

718 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:08:02am

re: #665 freedombilly
26, 27 - who can keep track of 'em all?!?! LOL!

When do pitchers and catchers report?!

719 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:08:05am

re: #703 newsjunkie_ky

Morning you all. Just sitting here waiting on a little rescue dog to visit. She is a cutie, we just need to see if we are a match.


That's exciting! How old is the cutie?

720 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:08:09am

re: #705 negativ
Good morning, may a jihadi infested with fleas visit your house and bring you the joys of islamofascism.

721 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:08:21am

re: #705 negativ

WTH?

722 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:18am

OK, I am gone. May the gamey buttocks be abundant.

723 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:19am

re: #718 realwest
Begining of March, IIRC.

724 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:31am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

Opps, I'm not going anywhere, forget the fucking coffee. Anyone want to play whack the troll?

which side should I whack from?

725 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:05am

re: #721 Sharmuta

See my 717. He won't answer...

First of all asshole, let's have a few links to a comment like the one you made above. "IED kills my children equals being patriotic" and while you are at it, where do you get a figure like 2%.

If you are going to come out of the woodwork and spout off shit head statement, then at least back them up with some facts.

Jerk!

726 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:17am
727 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:20am

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

First of all asshole, let's have a few links to a comment like the one you made above. "IED kills my children equals being patriotic" and while you are at it, where do you get a figure like 2%.

If you are going to come out of the woodwork and spout off shit head statement, then at least back them up with some facts.

Jerk!

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728 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:28am

re: #724 outsidephilly
Whichever side gives you the most leverage.

729 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:54am

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

Somebodie's Eeyore sock...

or someone forgot their meds this morning.

730 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:59am

re: #719 outsidephilly

That's exciting! How old is the cutie?


She is 1 and was rescued from a hoarder that had 70 dogs. Poor little thing has already had a litter of puppies. Have no idea what happened to them. She got spayed this past week. I'm looking forward to meeting her.
Thanks for asking. It has been a rough time around this house and we need 4 little paws padded on the hardwoods again.

731 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:11:28am

re: #724 outsidephilly

which side should I whack from?

It probably won't matter. He won't come back with any debate. Anyone who posts like that really has no capability to think past his little dick and form a decent argument.

732 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:11:30am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

And recently, the test of Katrina, Rita and Gustav. So it's plenty enough sound. Just built strangely.

Oh my, you've been through so much, I can't even imagine - glad to know you safe now! Obviously, your house builder/s REALLY knew what they were doing!

733 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:05am

re: #724 outsidephilly

which side should I whack from?

The right.... This troll obviously vomits to the left when whacked...

734 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:06am

re: #712 JCM

See for yourself...

THANKS

735 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:13am

re: #684 JCM
Hey JCM - good thing for us that Russia's clinging onto being a second rate military power (non-nuke) or we'd be in serious trouble!
How are you this morning my friend?

736 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:28am

re: #725 Walter L. Newton

Well- with that nic, I would expect a pessimist. The ultimate Eeyore.

We're DOOMED!

737 BignJames  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:38am

re: #696 realwest

HOOPER, JOE R.

Rank and organization: Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company D, 2d Battalion (Airborne), 501st Infantry, 101st Airborne Division. Place and date: Near Hue, Republic of Vietnam, 21 February 1968. Entered service at: Los Angeles, Calif. Born: 8 August 1938, Piedmont, S.C. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Staff Sergeant (then Sgt.) Hooper, U.S. Army, distinguished himself while serving as squad leader with Company D. Company D was assaulting a heavily defended enemy position along a river bank when it encountered a withering hail of fire from rockets, machine guns and automatic weapons. S/Sgt. Hooper rallied several men and stormed across the river, overrunning several bunkers on the opposite shore. Thus inspired, the rest of the company moved to the attack. With utter disregard for his own safety, he moved out under the intense fire again and pulled back the wounded, moving them to safety. During this act S/Sgt. Hooper was seriously wounded, but he refused medical aid and returned to his men. With the relentless enemy fire disrupting the attack, he single-handedly stormed 3 enemy bunkers, destroying them with hand grenade and rifle fire, and shot 2 enemy soldiers who had attacked and wounded the Chaplain. Leading his men forward in a sweep of the area, S/Sgt. Hooper destroyed 3 buildings housing enemy riflemen. At this point he was attacked by a North Vietnamese officer whom he fatally wounded with his bayonet. Finding his men under heavy fire from a house to the front, he proceeded alone to the building, killing its occupants with rifle fire and grenades. By now his initial body wound had been compounded by grenade fragments, yet despite the multiple wounds and loss of blood, he continued to lead his men against the intense enemy fire. As his squad reached the final line of enemy resistance, it received devastating fire from 4 bunkers in line on its left flank. S/Sgt. Hooper gathered several hand grenades and raced down a small trench which ran the length of the bunker line, tossing grenades into each bunker as he passed by, killing all but 2 of the occupants. With these positions destroyed, he concentrated on the last bunkers facing his men, destroying the first with an incendiary grenade and neutralizing 2 more by rifle fire. He then raced across an open field, still under enemy fire, to rescue a wounded man who was trapped in a trench. Upon reaching the man, he was faced by an armed enemy soldier whom he killed with a pistol. Moving his comrade to safety and returning to his men, he neutralized the final pocket of enemy resistance by fatally wounding 3 North Vietnamese officers with rifle fire. S/Sgt. Hooper then established a final line and reorganized his men, not accepting treatment until this was accomplished and not consenting to evacuation until the following morning. His supreme valor, inspiring leadership and heroic self-sacrifice were directly responsible for the company's success and provided a lasting example in personal courage for every man on the field. S/Sgt. Hooper's actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself and the U.S. Army .

738 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:56am

I apologize for doing a drive-by, but this really resonated with me.
I guess I'm a jackalope.

739 heidi586  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:20am

Good morning - I hate it when people (#705) have to start first thing in the morning....there should be a coffee rule :-)

740 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:30am

re: #705 negativ

Hey there clueless, it is an all VOLUNTEER military. Your kids do not have to serve. After reading that statement, they're probably in their 20s living in your basement.

741 Perplexed  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:49am

re: #705 negativ

may an IED kill my children, each and every one = patriotic

my tax bill goes up 2% = the end of civilization as we know it

WTF? Did you actually pay someone to be your ESL instructor? I would demand my money back.

742 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:53am

re: #736 Sharmuta

Thanks for the laugh!

743 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:06am

re: #735 realwest

Hey JCM - good thing for us that Russia's clinging onto being a second rate military power (non-nuke) or we'd be in serious trouble!
How are you this morning my friend?

Even their nukes are an issue, yes they have more than enough, but nukes and delivery systems are maintenance intensive.

Very well, getting ready to feed the gang breakfast. Everyone seem to be fit.

744 doriangrey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:14am

re: #735 realwest

Hey JCM - good thing for us that Russia's clinging onto being a second rate military power (non-nuke) or we'd be in serious trouble!
How are you this morning my friend?

ROTFLMAO................. Second rate? Hell the submarines they build these days try to kill them...

745 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:15am

re: #703 newsjunkie_ky
Hi there {newsjunkie_ky} I sure hope you rememeber
what I said about a leash walk with her!
and PLEASE e-mail me after the visit, ok?!

746 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:18am

re: #728 pingjockey

Whichever side gives you the most leverage.

I new at whacking . . . . ,

747 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:22am

re: #733 doriangrey

The right.... This troll obviously vomits to the left when whacked...

And he just got what he wanted. Attention. He's now sitting at his monitor, a little drool dripping from the corner of his mouth, having an orgasm at all the negative attention he is getting.

People like this feed from negative attention. They have damaged personalities, which cannot be satisfied in the normal ways, so they seek out abuse. It's their way of proving to themselves that they are alive.

Self-abuse is like a drug, the more you abuse yourself, the more you need the abuse.

748 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:47am

This was in the Link's above - it is an awesome horror story of epic proportions.
Forward this to friends - it is astounding.

Michael Lewis' Amazing Tale of Wall Street Meltdown

749 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:16:13am

Sometimes I miss my big old house, but not in the winter. Built solid but little insulation. I replaced 20 windows before I moved. Silly me.
I like my 'new' house. Heating and a/c bills much lower, of course it is much smaller too.
I do miss the HUGE front porch.

750 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:03am

re: #730 newsjunkie_ky

She is 1 and was rescued from a hoarder that had 70 dogs. Poor little thing has already had a litter of puppies. Have no idea what happened to them. She got spayed this past week. I'm looking forward to meeting her.
Thanks for asking. It has been a rough time around this house and we need 4 little paws padded on the hardwoods again.

. . . . , you're heart will be tugged again SIGH

751 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:16am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton
Hey Walter:

Registered since: Jan 17, 2005 at 6:51 am

No. of comments posted: 113
No. of links posted: 0

Looks like a genuine sleeper for sure!

752 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:24am

re: #744 doriangrey

You could pay me Manny Rameriez money and I still wouldn't go on a russian boat.

753 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:37am

re: #696 realwest

Don't you know there could never be a "Victory" medal for Vietnam, cause Congress lost that war.

Here's how I look at that. We won it, then congress withdrew support, while the Soviets were still supporting the north. It could have been won more permanently if we had done a standard WWII attack on the North. Half-measures and holding back the troops - why do they do this? It's the reason Iraq wasn't concluded in less than a year.

As for Col. Mac Magregor and the American Veteran's Legacy Campaign - we'll see if we can dig anything up.

754 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:02am

re: #751 realwest

Good morning RW -

I hope you're doing well today.

755 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:05am

re: #740 pingjockey

Hey there clueless, it is an all VOLUNTEER military. Your kids do not have to serve. After reading that statement, they're probably in their 20s living in your basement.

He lives in mom's basement, the WoW server went offline for a few moments and it was bored and mom was vacuuming up the Cheetos crumbs around it's computer desk so pr0n was out, and it wanted to impress mom with it's political acuity.

756 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:41am
757 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:42am

re: #751 realwest
There was some asshat here last night, registered forever and had a ripping 40 or so comments.

758 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:19:16am

re: #745 realwest

Hi there {newsjunkie_ky} I sure hope you rememeber
what I said about a leash walk with her!
and PLEASE e-mail me after the visit, ok?!

Will do. It is raining, so the walk may not be as long. Regardless of what happens today, I'm getting the one in PA as well.

759 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:04am

re: #755 JCM
Damn, that's good sluething! How's things on the west side today?

760 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:18am

re: #705 negativ

may an IED kill my children, each and every one = patriotic

Got a reference for that? Who said that?

761 FrogMarch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:26am

re: #705 negativ

may an IED kill my children, each and every one = patriotic

my tax bill goes up 2% = the end of civilization as we know it

What a lame little straw man. We don't even need a match to light it on fire.
A small breeze will tumble it down the street.

762 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:38am

re: #758 newsjunkie_ky

Will do. It is raining, so the walk may not be as long. Regardless of what happens today, I'm getting the one in PA as well.

I can't wait to meet our new addition!

763 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:38am

re: #744 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO................. Second rate? Hell the submarines they build these days try to kill them...

That's nothing new......

764 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:57am

re: #753 legalpad

How about - Congress was responsible for the deaths of millions?

Now we have a Congress (and Pres) of opportunistic politicians - they'll be more than glad to claim victory in Iraq without acknowledging the true leadership that led us to victory.

765 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:21:08am

re: #732 outsidephilly

Oh my, you've been through so much, I can't even imagine - glad to know you safe now! Obviously, your house builder/s REALLY knew what they were doing!

We were fortunate, damages minimal each time. Many folks had much worse..

766 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:21:23am

re: #759 pingjockey

Damn, that's good sluething! How's things on the west side today?

Drying out after the Pineapple express during the week. Nice day today.

767 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:21:29am

Well at least our asshat visitor woke everyone up!

768 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:21:37am

re: #757 pingjockey

There was some asshat here last night, registered forever and had a ripping 40 or so comments.

I was lurking last night. Keep far away from it all.

769 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:22:04am

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I gotta hop now, chores to do and all that.
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY, that Charles isn't in any danger from those LA fires, and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

770 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:22:37am

re: #766 JCM
My other baby has been neglected. Sun is out, so may take her for a spin about noon.

771 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:22:44am

re: #718 realwest

26, 27 - who can keep track of 'em all?!?! LOL!

When do pitchers and catchers report?!

Right around February 14th. There is another World Baseball Classic this year so players will be filtering in depending on if they are playing or not.

And I would have a hard time keeping track as well if the number of Sox championships was in the 20s!

772 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:07am

re: #769 realwest
Have a great day RW.

773 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:21am

re: #758 newsjunkie_ky
Mookie?!? E-mail me PLEASE!
Gotta run!

774 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:55am

The Hypocrisy of the Tolerance Movement

One of the most potent arguments against same-sex marriage is that it tramples religious freedom. A group of distinguished legal scholars recently published a book called Same-Sex Marriage and Religious Liberty, Emerging Conflicts . While they fall on both sides of the issue concerning the desirability of same-sex marriage for our culture, they unanimously agree on one point—that a conflict is brewing for religious freedom, which includes freedom of speech.

Harvard Law professor Mary Ann Glendon wrote in 2004, during the same-sex marriage debate in Massachusetts, ''the experience in other countries reveals that once these arrangements become law, there will be no live-and-let-live policy for those who differ. Gay-marriage proponents use the language of openness, tolerance, and diversity, yet one foreseeable effect of their success will be to usher in an era of intolerance and discrimination...The ax will fall most heavily on religious persons and groups that don't go along."

Religious groups have legitimate concerns that they will be gagged regarding the importance of traditional marriage and family, if same-sex marriage becomes a civil right. Yet, same-sex advocates know it doesn't take the force of law alone to silence opposition. You can harangue and intimidate people into silence. You can threaten their jobs and target their livelihood—even if they have been at their job for 25 years.

The press is often complicit in seeking to paint supporters of traditional marriage in an odious light and uses its own methods to silence them. Brian Fitzpatrick writing in an Anglican publication noted that the New York Times condemned “the ugly outcome of these ballot fights” and ran seven letters to the editor, six by opponents. The Chicago Sun-Times called traditional marriage “discrimination and nonsense.”

775 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:03am

re: #726 taxfreekiller

post a photo copy of your tax return and your donation above your required amount.

I going to be using this argument in many settings if you don't mind -

776 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:55am

re: #770 pingjockey

My other baby has been neglected. Sun is out, so may take her for a spin about noon.

Two wheels or a classic?

777 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:25:17am

re: #762 outsidephilly

I can't wait to meet our new addition!


Are you getting someone new?

778 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:25:18am

re: #765 reine.de.tout

We were fortunate, damages minimal each time. Many folks had much worse..

I watched it, didn't live it, and I cringed - our church continues to help with teams of medical, construction workers, on a 3 week rotation, which travel to areas of need.

779 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:26:49am

re: #776 JCM
07 Dyna low rider. Harley Davidson. My midlife crisis!

780 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:00am

Get ready for anal exams for putting The Marxist One in an uncomfortable position......

SIX AGENCIES SEARCHED FOR DATA ON JOE THE PLUMBER

I'm guessing this is the final count: no fewer than six different Ohio agencies dug through their records, looking for dirt on Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher. Why? The Ohio Tax Department says it was so they could "turn [it] over to the national media." The moral of the story, I suppose, is that if a Presidential candidate ever accosts you in your yard, you should flee. If he's a Democrat, anyway.
781 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:09am

Where did negativ go? I was hoping they could drop some more knowledge on the community.

Ignorant ass.

782 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:09am

re: #777 newsjunkie_ky

Are you getting someone new?

No, I mean your addition . . . . , extended LGF family ;}

783 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:54am
784 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:28:03am

re: #779 pingjockey

07 Dyna low rider. Harley Davidson. My midlife crisis!

I was looking at a red two seat rag top at the fair.... My wife walks by and says "You are not allowed to have a midlife crisis."

785 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:28:40am

re: #737 BignJames

Copied that. Thanks.

786 outsidephilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:07am

bbl . . . . , enjoy your day, y'all!

787 pbird  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:11am

re: #783 taxfreekiller

tfk comes to this tax shit from back in the day's of LBJ's 70% tax bracket

paid it two years running, have the returns framed on the office wall

Yow!

788 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:21am

re: #780 JCM
Everyone of the directors of those agencies and anyone who had anything at all to do with any investigation should be fired and prosecuted. Of course that isn't gonna happen. Maybe in a sane world it would. Now of course we live in a different world.

789 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:48am

re: #781 freedombilly

Where did negativ go? I was hoping they could drop some more knowledge on the community. Ignorant ass.

I have power of attorney for "negativ." You may ask me any question and I will answer for him.
/

790 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:30:17am

re: #784 JCM
Heh. This was cheaper than a ragtop or a new F250.

791 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:30:41am

re: #786 outsidephilly

Have a great one!

792 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:30:43am

re: #788 pingjockey

Everyone of the directors of those agencies and anyone who had anything at all to do with any investigation should be fired and prosecuted. Of course that isn't gonna happen. Maybe in a sane world it would. Now of course we live in a different world.

Co-worker asked when I told him about state agency personnel and tools being used to investigate Joe said "What's the problem with that?"

oy vey

793 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:31:01am

re: #789 Walter L. Newton
Bwahahaha!

794 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:31:04am

re: #790 pingjockey

Heh. This was cheaper than a ragtop or a new F250.

Color me green.....
;-)

795 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:31:19am

re: #782 outsidephilly

No, I mean your addition . . . . , extended LGF family ;}


LOL, a little dense this morning. I am getting excited. First time a little dog will be in the house since Meggie's passing.

796 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:31:29am

re: #790 pingjockey

Midlife crisis? Mine came in the way of a Duramax dually crew-cab - 4 tons of fun!

797 Boogberg  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:32:16am

re: #577 itellu3times

If anyone deserves bankruptcy, it'd be GM. They haven't built many attractive or interesting cars in over thirty years. Some of their current crop is passable, but that's about it.

Well, but like it or not, politically they will be bailed out, and maybe there's some thin macroeconomic justification for it, sort of. But just wait until they start building Pelosimobiles, HarryReidvans, and Obamacycles. All lovely vehicles but very high maintenance, and they only turn left.

Buy low, sell high. That's why I'm buying some GM stock Monday. At least autoworkers actually produce something, unlike certain other entities. *cough* *AIG**cough cough* :D

798 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:26am

re: #792 JCM
Good Lord. Then again, to some on that side of the hill that's okay. But trying to find out what terror cells in the US are doing is right out! Idjits they are and idjits they'll always be. Chrissy won what 6 or 8 counties and is the guv again. God help us.

799 Perplexed  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:45am

re: #789 Walter L. Newton

I have power of attorney for "negativ." You may ask me any question and I will answer for him.
/

Does negativ do drugs?
If he currently does drugs has permanent brain damage already occurred?
Is it true that negativ exists on a diet of cheetos and energy drinks?

800 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:35:00am

re: #796 apb1
That is a lot of truck! Got the wife and 06 Dodge Stratus. Went and set in a brand new F250 diesel. 59 bucks down, 911 bucks a month!

801 BBev  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:35:08am

re: #680 apb1

Good morning all, from Obamastan...

We all now live in Obamastan.

802 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:35:17am

re: #798 pingjockey

Good Lord. Then again, to some on that side of the hill that's okay. But trying to find out what terror cells in the US are doing is right out! Idjits they are and idjits they'll always be. Chrissy won what 6 or 8 counties and is the guv again. God help us.

Heck, I'll let you come ride our brand new toy trains when they are done. There will be plenty of room on board.

803 BBev  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:35:37am

Good mornin Real and all.

804 Tigger2005  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:00am

Keys that jingle in your pocket
Words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that I said?
Lovers walk along a shore
And leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming
Just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway
Or the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces
But to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over
Were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the colour of her hair?

Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

805 Perplexed  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:01am

re: #792 JCM

Co-worker asked when I told him about state agency personnel and tools being used to investigate Joe said "What's the problem with that?"

oy vey

I remember when Nixon caught hell for looking at FBI files on his political rivals. Also remember when hillary had 900+ FBI files mysteriously turn up in the White House without nothing bad happening to either Bill or her.

806 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:15am

re: #800 pingjockey

Just a small monthly payment away!

DMax is awesome though. We drove one of the kids to school, fueled up there, and got 20 mpg coming home...

807 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:16am

re: #800 pingjockey

That is a lot of truck! Got the wife and 06 Dodge Stratus. Went and set in a brand new F250 diesel. 59 bucks down, 911 bucks a month!

$911 a month for a truck.... that's a house payment not a truck payment.

*sigh*

gettin' old........

808 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:08am

re: #802 JCM
Oh yes, the trains. Sound Transit has spent 2 billion on studies and they're still screwing around. I did see where they do have some tracks done but is it ever going to pay? I doubt it.

809 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:25am

re: #801 BBev

Don't forget to pronounce it with a long "a."
Like pak-ee-ston.

810 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:32am

re: #801 BBev

It'll be sad to see the faces in Greater Obamastan when they realize the favors that will be done for the state of Lesser Obamastan, and Daleytown in particular...

811 Irish Rose  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:34am

You know, I think I'm going to give myself a gift for the rest of the weekend, a sanity break.

I'm not going to think about politics or the economy, until Sunday evening... my brain is tired.

I'm going out to the nature center for a long walk along the shoreline this afternoon, because the fresh air will do me good.

Then I'm going to come home to my fully-stocked fridge and big batch of homemade guacamole to spend the next 30 hours eating, sleeping and watching all of my favorite DVD's.

My fiance is coming over tonight, and he's just going to have to deal with my movie choices for the evening ;).

/hello, my name is Inigo Montoya.
You killed my father.
Prepare to die.

812 freedombilly  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:41am

re: #789 Walter L. Newton

I have power of attorney for "negativ." You may ask me any question and I will answer for him.
/

Let's start with two easy ones. What the hell is wrong with him? And did he put the bong down long enough to leave the house and vote for The One?

813 BBev  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:50am

re: #807 JCM

$911 a month for a truck.... that's a house payment not a truck payment.

*sigh*

gettin' old........

It's more then my house payment.

814 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:08am

re: #802 JCM

Like on Silver Spoons?

815 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:20am

re: #807 JCM
You're not getting old. That is an obscene price for a truck.

816 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:28am

re: #808 pingjockey

Oh yes, the trains. Sound Transit has spent 2 billion on studies and they're still screwing around. I did see where they do have some tracks done but is it ever going to pay? I doubt it.

is it going to pay.......?

Yeah, I'm paying every damn day for that [deleted] politicians wet dream.

817 BBev  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:31am

re: #809 Bumr50

Don't forget to pronounce it with a long "a."
Like pak-ee-ston.

Sorry my bad.

818 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:33am

re: #807 JCM

I posted this earlier, but what a bargain.What a deal.

819 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:58am

re: #811 Irish Rose

He's going to end up mostly dead.

820 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:01am

re: #799 Perplexed

Does negativ do drugs? If he currently does drugs has permanent brain damage already occurred?

Is it true that negativ exists on a diet of cheetos and energy drinks?

He doesn't do drugs, unless you classify camel urine as a drug. It's medicinal qualities has been proven by proponents of it, from Ward Churchill to Rosie O'donnell (who has the best selling diet book "Sucking on a Camel."). His brain is fine, although he does occasionally have trouble with a weak left eye.

His diet exists only of arugula and waffles, in honor of his dear leader.

821 wee fury  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:23am

Mortgage Loan rates - Interest rates - then and now.

822 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:26am

re: #778 outsidephilly

I watched it, didn't live it, and I cringed - our church continues to help with teams of medical, construction workers, on a 3 week rotation, which travel to areas of need.

And that help from the rest of the country is greatly appreciated by most of us here, and crucial to the repair of our state.

823 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:31am

re: #811 Irish Rose
That is a great movie. The wife also likes Cary Elwes(sp) in Men in Tights.

824 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:36am

re: #818 Mike in Georgia

I posted this earlier, but what a bargain.What a deal.

Damn...... Why don't I find things like that.....

825 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:54am

re: #805 Perplexed

I remember when Nixon caught hell for looking at FBI files on his political rivals. Also remember when hillary had 900+ FBI files mysteriously turn up in the White House without nothing bad happening to either Bill or her.


If you are a democrat, the msm will never go after you, no matter what the he11 you do.

826 Mike in Georgia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:10am

re: #824 JCM

1 of 6 built.

827 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:11am

re: #811 Irish Rose

My name is Mandy Patinkin
I leave TV shows with no notice
Prepare to be disappointed

828 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:49am

re: #812 freedombilly

Let's start with two easy ones. What the hell is wrong with him? And did he put the bong down long enough to leave the house and vote for The One?

Nothing is wrong with my client. well, ok, he did hurt his ankle the other day when he slipped on his copy of "The Nation" magazine.

No, I voted for him, 13 times.

829 wee fury  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:58am

re: #821 wee fury

Actually -- 1980 to 2002.

830 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:41:23am

re: #826 Mike in Georgia

1 of 6 built.

My neighbor has a '72 Mustang Boss one of 2000, and I thought that was special.

831 Perplexed  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:32am

re: #820 Walter L. Newton

Camel urine? Does he get it bottled or does he drink it from the tap, so to speak?

832 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:54am

Well here's something entirely different. Kid from Fla. State is getting a shot at a Rhodes Scholarship and they moved the game time or something so the kid can take the test and be back for the game.

833 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:43:38am

re: #830 JCM

I once dated a girl whose stepdad rode a working Indian.
I thought that was kinda cool.

834 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:44:16am

re: #832 pingjockey

Well here's something entirely different. Kid from Fla. State is getting a shot at a Rhodes Scholarship and they moved the game time or something so the kid can take the test and be back for the game.


Is it the UF--FSU game?

835 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:44:49am

re: #831 Perplexed

Camel urine? Does he get it bottled or does he drink it from the tap, so to speak?

See Rosie O'donnell's diet book "Sucking on a Camel."

836 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:17am

re: #833 Bumr50

I once dated a girl whose stepdad rode a working Indian. I thought that was kinda cool.

Kind of racist, huh?
/

837 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:31am

re: #835 Walter L. Newton

I'd walk a mile to avoid that camel.

838 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:54am

Then of course Fla. State has just suspended 5 players for a brawl at the student union building.

839 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:21am

re: #836 Walter L. Newton

"So racially he's pretty cool....?"

840 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:30am

re: #834 newsjunkie_ky
Nah, Maryland. Not the big game.

841 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:27am

OOPs, ESPN says BC vs FSU.

842 JCM  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:42am

re: #833 Bumr50

I once dated a girl whose stepdad rode a working Indian.
I thought that was kinda cool.

My dad in college had an Indian with a suicide shift, and a Talyorcraft (airplane).

843 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:45am

re: #839 Bumr50

"So racially he's pretty cool....?"

You realize that my comment was sarcasm, humor, yep?

844 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:47am

re: #764 apb1

Congress was responsible for the deaths of millions?

That's what lefties do: kill millions and say they didn't. That is one of fifty reasons why we don't want them in office.

845 Bumr50  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:48:52am

re: #843 Walter L. Newton

Yeah.
I was referencing the picture of the Little Lebowski Urban Achievers.

846 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:50:28am

My 8 yr old has discovered the 3 Stooges. He is now running amok doing his Curley imitation.

847 apb1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:26am

re: #844 legalpad

Got that right. Now through the daze of millions, we're stuck with 'em.

Maybe Santy Claws will bring me an S&W 50-cal magnum before Barry and co. try to curtail the 2nd Amendment, too. Imagine that - Barry and co. try to limit the 2nd, then form the Obamajugend. Haven't seen anything like that in, oh, 70 years or so.

848 rightside  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:36am

re: #846 pingjockey

woo woo woo, nyuk nyuk!

849 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:54am

re: #783 taxfreekiller

tfk comes to this tax shit from back in the day's of LBJ's 70% tax bracket

paid it two years running, have the returns framed on the office wall

If they did that shit now it would kill the economy.