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Open | Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:30:00 pm PST

If cats could talk, they wouldn’t.

Nan Porter

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1 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:30:57pm

Cats are smart.

/or my two have me fooled.

2 Tarkus289  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:31:05pm

They can, but don't...

3 Tarkus289  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:33:49pm

It is somehow comforting to have Michelle Malkin smiling at me as I read.

4 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:34:03pm

kitty don't blog

5 pat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:35:01pm

Really. My cat whines constantly. So does my pussy.

6 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:35:55pm
7 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:36:03pm
8 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:36:21pm

re: #3 Tarkus289

It is somehow comforting to have Michelle Malkin smiling at me as I read.

At least she's not wearing braids and a baseball cap in that one.

Not that there is anything wrong with braids and a baseball cap, just that it looks slightly less professional than the other photo.

9 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:36:46pm

Cats talk all da tym

Jus not in hooman langwij

10 wright1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:37:08pm

I always seem to miss that thread change...(reprinted from last thread - thanks Charles, respectfully)

Charles - I just read through the thread(s). I have not been here long enough to know the history behind some of the people recently banned. But it does seem to be more frequent of late. So my question is, are the reigns tightening for what passes for appropriate comment? I am asking because having checked out the site before signing on, I got a handle on your politics and world view. And frankly that is why I tuned in. I sensed that much of your philosophy stemmed from your absolute horror and disbelief at the unfolding spread of violence in the name of Jihad that was being woefully under reported in the media and world in general. And on that count, I would argue that this is one of the commonalities that bind most persons on this site. Other topics have been introduced by you and have taken some degree of prominence. Some of these issues I do not agree with you on. However, I have sensed that contrary opinions do not engender wrath leading to "banning". But, repeated pedantic ones might. We disagree on issues labeled as "religious right issues" and social conservatism and the role of these ideas in politics. We probably also disagree to a degree on the urgency of sounding the alarm bell on the issue of creationism being taught in schools (although I am not too far from your position especially given my recognition of how creeping Sharia is contaminating our institutions in this country and abroad.). I guess my question at the end of this long-winded bloviation is this: where is the line these days? I like the fact that I can make my points, albeit in a cogent and hopefully well-thought out way, but made nonetheless even if I am swimming against the tide. I bear no similarity with Cognito except that I sense not many people agree with a lot of my more conservative/culture of life perspectives. Are my views welcome or am I one frank comment away from becoming extinct (speaking of evolution...). Lastly, asked in sincerity because I like the site a lot.

11 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:37:39pm

re: #3 Tarkus289

re: #8 foxtrotter

Wait 'til you catch the Dr. Helen ad.

Grr...

12 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:40:15pm

re: #8 foxtrotter

At least she's not wearing braids and a baseball cap in that one.

Not that there is anything wrong with braids and a baseball cap, just that it looks slightly less professional than the other photo.

Ah! Now I am only seeing the braids and the baseball cap...

13 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:42:46pm

re: #12 foxtrotter

hit refresh and the pics change. I think.

14 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:43:12pm

re: #11 Noam Sayin'

re: #8 foxtrotter

Wait 'til you catch the Dr. Helen ad.

Grr...

Aaaand...it was there for a moment but disappeared when I refreshed. I'm a little confused as to what I'm supposed to be asking Dr. Helen. I skimmed the link and all I picked up was something about forensic pathology and men's issues.

15 stuiec  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:44:25pm

If cats could talk, they would rat each other out constantly. "HE did it!"

16 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:44:31pm

re: #13 Page

hit refresh and the pics change. I think.

You are correct, and now I am back to the non-braided Michelle Malkin.

So, Page, braids: Hot or not?

17 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:46:15pm

re: #16 foxtrotter

You are correct, and now I am back to the non-braided Michelle Malkin.

So, Page, braids: Hot or not?


In Michelle's case, not so much. In other instances, the jury is still out...

18 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:46:32pm

If cats could talk, they wouldn’t.
Nan Porter apparently didn't have many cats. I got a couple that never shut the hell up. I refer to them as my Democrat caucus.

19 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:47:48pm

For those of you looking for the Inevitable Gun Thread, we've taken over the dregs of the previous thread.

Bye.

20 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:47:59pm

Since it is an open thread ...

One of the collective complaints of the banned is that the banning drive a uniformity of opinion.

It has been my experience here (for something like 5 years) that a lot of the banned tended to act like enforcers and tended to lead their own little clicks who would harp on dissenters. IIRC, these sorts of groups held court in comments during certain hours of the day such that, if you wanted to have an intelligent conversation, you'd log in in the "off hours". It got to where LGF had ideological shifts - not shifts of opinion, but different ideologies would hold court at different 8 hour shifts.

Anyway - I have seen the board get a little less mired in group think lately. Of course, the election being over and having lost plays a big part. But in 2006 there were not the sorts of discussions we are having now because the tone then was more intimidating, IMO. There was no point in posting an unconventional idea if you were going to get 100 people squashing you with the party platform, even if it lost (I remember a truly disturbing exchange I had with BabbaZee which ultimately boiled down to me being wrong despite my arguments because Biblical literalists are always right, even in matters not related to the Bible).

The flip side of all this is that, because this isn't Lord of the Flies anymore, some don't find it as much fun. Can't please everyone, I suppose.

21 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:49:05pm

re: #10 wright1

Charles explained his decision on that particular banning a couple threads back, and has expressed his desire to not get into it again. I suggest you go back and read through the shuttle launch thread. I was rather shocked at first, but upon his explanation, respected his decision.

As for your future posts, feel free to speak your mind. Logic and reason rule the day here. If you're wrong on something, realize someone else here may quite well have specific knowledge and expertise on the subject, and will correct you.

22 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:51:08pm

One bright spot in the economic down-turn, whether manufactured or not, is the fact that they NYT continues to plummet:


"NYT (Class A Common Stock) 7.34 -0.62 (-7.79%) Nov 14 4:05pm ET"

[GP]

The Dow was down 337 points again today.

We're watching the largest post election stock market sell off in history.
Obama's win last week triggered the 12th greatest one-day decline in history.

See: Post-election plunge

23 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:51:32pm

re: #18 Outrider

If cats could talk, they wouldn’t.
Nan Porter apparently didn't have many cats. I got a couple that never shut the hell up. I refer to them as my Democrat caucus.

My last cat talked to me. The scary thing is I understood him, change my litter box, feed me, I want a lap, and give me the damn pillow, all phrases I understood.

24 wiffersnapper  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:51:42pm

and I dance dance dance and I dance dance dance

25 legalpad  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:52:36pm
26 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:52:40pm

re: #15 stuiec

If cats could talk, they would rat each other out constantly. "HE did it!"



Did not.

Did too.

27 Attaboid  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:53:13pm

Cats: Arrogant bastards.

28 suboptimal  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:53:26pm

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

"For us, there's a zero-tolerance policy of adding or subtracting actual content from an image," said Santiago Lyon, the AP's director of photography.

Found in a story on Drudge.

OK, so I don't get out much.

29 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:53:47pm

I keep waiting for some flash of insight. Alas, none is nigh. Probably due to the fact that it is so nice out tonight (68 degrees) I have the windows open, I can smell the sea and am wearing shorts. It is very satisfactory, even extremely so.

30 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:54:47pm

re: #23 jcm

My last cat talked to me. The scary thing is I understood him, change my litter box, feed me, I want a lap, and give me the damn pillow, all phrases I understood.

Well, they ~do~ make it pretty damn obvious what they want. As a rule cats are usually self-maintaining fur bearing critters, but when they want something, they want it now.

31 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:54:51pm

re: #26 Noam Sayin'

Dangit, had a link for that.


Did not.

Did too.


Link doesn't work in that situation, I guess.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

32 jcm  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:55:52pm

re: #27 Attaboid

Cats: Arrogant bastards.

mmmmmmm

Arrogant Bastard Ale....

33 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:56:39pm

re: #24 wiffersnapper

and I dance dance dance and I dance dance dance

What are you dancing to this evening?

34 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:56:46pm

re: #14 foxtrotter

Aaaand...it was there for a moment but disappeared when I refreshed. I'm a little confused as to what I'm supposed to be asking Dr. Helen. I skimmed the link and all I picked up was something about forensic pathology and men's issues.

Go to her blog, and ask her yourself.

Sadly, for all of us by Mr. Helen, she's married.

But still, Grr...

35 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:57:17pm

re: #28 suboptimal

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Found in a story on Drudge.

OK, so I don't get out much.

Yeah. I got a kick out of this quote.

"Photo journalists lose their jobs over this," he said.

i can think of a whole bunch of altered photos where no one lost jobs.....no one complained....except LGFers lol

36 stuiec  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:57:24pm

re: #31 Noam Sayin'

Dangit, had a link for that.



Link doesn't work in that situation, I guess.

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

Plus waaaay too much "I MEANT to do that!"

37 pat  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:57:57pm

I miss the action again. Why the banning talk?

38 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:58:00pm

I guess I should have seen this coming: Dr. Alan Keyes falls for the "Nirth Certifikit" nonsense

39 StudSupreme  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:58:25pm

'Scuse me.

Cats DO talk.

It is YOU who do not understand their language.

;-)

40 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:58:42pm

What with this banning deal? Who got banned? Sorry I have not been able to get on Lgf since a ff3 security up-date. I am now using IE6 on my Frankenstein machine (free old dell dumpster special slapped together with used parts).

41 SummerSong  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:59:16pm

re: #29 rawmuse

I keep waiting for some flash of insight. Alas, none is nigh. Probably due to the fact that it is so nice out tonight (68 degrees) I have the windows open, I can smell the sea and am wearing shorts. It is very satisfactory, even extremely so.

You must be SoCAL coastal? It is a lovely night.

42 wright1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 10:59:48pm

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

Charles explained his decision on that particular banning a couple threads back, and has expressed his desire to not get into it again. I suggest you go back and read through the shuttle launch thread. I was rather shocked at first, but upon his explanation, respected his decision.

As for your future posts, feel free to speak your mind. Logic and reason rule the day here. If you're wrong on something, realize someone else here may quite well have specific knowledge and expertise on the subject, and will correct you.

I am not afraid of being able to make my points but it seems lately, the very existence of an oppositional idea causes consternation and after that, well... perhaps baning. Having said that, I completely get how things are here and how they have been. It is my sense however lately that their is more of a hair trigger to trounce ideas that are not conforming to either Charles and/or the majority. I can take the debating even when it is acrimonious, but as I said, the line demarking the water's edge seems a bit blurry these days. Frankly, how I put it in my previous post lays out the way I feel.

43 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:02:33pm

re: #24 wiffersnapper

and I dance dance dance and I dance dance dance


I Could Have Danced All Night

44 Killian Bundy  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:02:36pm

Happy Tree Friends

/whatever

45 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:04:50pm

re: #43 Inquisitive

I Could Have Danced All Night
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Youre lucky. I Can't Dance.

46 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:07:42pm

re: #45 gmsc

Not only can I dance...I can dance on the ceiling!

47 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #46 Page

Not only can I dance...I can dance on the ceiling!

That video has some of the worst sartorial crimes that I have ever seen. And the hair! Ahh!

48 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:11:56pm

re: #5 pat

EXSQUEEZE ME?

49 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:12:53pm

re: #46 Page

Not only can I dance...I can dance on the ceiling!

For me, that would attract too much attention. I wouldn't do that unless I was at a Royal Wedding. If I ever decide to dance, I prefer Dancing With Myself.

50 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:13:05pm

re: #32 jcm

That's some tasty brew.

51 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:14:08pm

Of all the things to get banned on, folks are getting banned on a SHUTTLE LAUNCH THREAD!

I have talked about pot, guns, nuclear weapons, abortion, the Civil War, evolution, DNA, and on and on but a FREAKIN' SHUTTLE LAUNCH THREAD?

52 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:14:45pm

re: #45 gmsc

Youre lucky. I Can't Dance.

I guess it is because.....Your Mama Don't
Dance

53 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:15:06pm

re: #29 rawmuse

re: #22 Ledger1

Yeah but the morons who elected him are still euphoric...
go figure

54 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:15:14pm

re: #47 foxtrotter

That video has some of the worst sartorial crimes that I have ever seen. And the hair! Ahh!

Here's my favorite version of Lionel Richie singing "Hello"!

55 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:16:42pm
56 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:17:03pm

re: #52 Inquisitive

I guess it is because.....Your Mama Don't
Dance

Yep. She thought regular dancing was too dangerous for me. She preferred a Safety Dance.

57 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:17:12pm

Posted over at Ace last night. Scroll to the bottom for a great kitty/FNDT picture.

58 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:17:40pm

re: #52 Inquisitive

I guess it is because.....Your Mama Don't
Dance

Christopher Walken can dance in mid-air...

59 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:18:06pm

re: #54 gmsc

Argh! You beat me to it! But if you want bad hair, and even worse keyboard playing, try and top this gem!

60 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:18:27pm

re: #58 JeremiahRight
Don't you have a sermon to prepare?

61 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:18:40pm

re: #54 gmsc

Here's my favorite version of Lionel Richie singing "Hello"!

I am so sorry that I clicked on that link. Hello is forever ruined for me now!

/okay, didn't like it in the first place and didn't think the awful video could be topped. And yet it was...

62 least  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:19:38pm
63 stuiec  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:19:39pm

re: #53 CalBear84

re: #22 Ledger1

Yeah but the morons who elected him are still euphoric...
go figure

Why shouldn't they be? He hasn't done anything yet, so he hasn't done anything to disappoint them.

Give it at least until Jan. 21....

64 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:19:53pm

re: #59 Page
Ahhh the 80's...music's lost decade.
Hell I thought that song was cool back then.

65 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:25pm

re: #60 CalBear84

Don't you have a sermon to prepare?

Naw naw naw...
... it's in the Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiible!

66 least  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:30pm

re: #56 gmsc

Yep. She thought regular dancing was too dangerous for me. She preferred a Safety Dance.

Too slow, I am.

67 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:33pm

re: #28 suboptimal

Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Found in a story on Drudge.

OK, so I don't get out much.

You'd think, for a story that involves manipulation of a photo, the AP would have provided examples of the photo, and point out said manipulation.

Is there another link?

68 WindHorse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:20:45pm

My Jack Russell Terrier is the best cat I've ever had.....

69 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:05pm

re: #58 JeremiahRight

Christopher Walken can dance in mid-air...

Walkin' on Air?
;)

70 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:27pm

re: #59 Page

Argh! You beat me to it! But if you want bad hair, and even worse keyboard playing, try and top this gem!

I'm not offended by the hair so much in that clip as I am by the pants. Pleated and pegged!

71 suboptimal  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:27pm

re: #67 Noam Sayin'

You'd think, for a story that involves manipulation of a photo, the AP would have provided examples of the photo, and point out said manipulation.

Is there another link?

None that I'm aware of, sorry.

72 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:29pm

re: #41 SummerSong

You must be SoCAL coastal? It is a lovely night.

San Francisco

73 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:21:43pm

re: #63 stuiec
I dunno...if I had voted for him and saw the market response I'd have my doubts.

74 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:23:15pm

Dogs are your friends, and would talk if they could.
Cats are secretly plotting against you, and wouldn't talk even if they could , for fear of giving away their nefarious plans.

75 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:23:34pm

re: #67 Noam Sayin'

I thought that was odd also. Saw a couple links but never the photo.
Just put it to the fact the story only works without the photos.

76 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:23:58pm

re: #70 foxtrotter

I'm not offended by the hair so much in that clip as I am by the pants. Pleated and pegged!


You may be the only person in the world to watch that clip, and be looking at what style of pants they are wearing...I mean, don't you see the camera in the mirror? And how he uses two different fingers on two different hands to play the same note? :P

77 SummerSong  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:24:32pm

re: #72 rawmuse

San Francisco

Ahhh. San Francisco :)

78 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:24:57pm

re: #58 JeremiahRight

Christopher Walken can dance in mid-air...

OK, he can dance in mid-air. Can he Walk Like An Egyptian?

79 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:25:56pm

re: #77 SummerSong

This one is so good I don't want to sleep. But, sleep I must.
So, hasta la manana, Lizards.

80 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:25:58pm

Uh Oh, I'm bombed toniht...er tonight.

81 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:26:35pm

re: #79 rawmuse

This one is so good I don't want to sleep. But, sleep I must.
So, hasta la manana, Lizards.

Good night!

82 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:26:41pm
83 foxtrotter  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:27:51pm

re: #76 Page

You may be the only person in the world to watch that clip, and be looking at what style of pants they are wearing...I mean, don't you see the camera in the mirror? And how he uses two different fingers on two different hands to play the same note? :P

But none of that is anywhere near as important as those awful pants. Perhaps I've let my hatred of pleated pants on men go too far. It's like when you are thinking about buying a certain type of car and all of a sudden you see it everywhere. I start thinking about how unflattering pleated pants are and it's all I can see when they're in the room.

84 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:21pm

re: #42 wright1

I think there's a wide range of opinion allowed here, so I'm not sure why you would worry over that. I'm also not sure why you would see the line as blurry. We have few unwritten rules around here, but one is that we be decent guests in this house. People who crap in the living room are not welcome. I think what's going on here is some people have different opinions on what crapping is, but I think it's up to the host. He doesn't nor shouldn't have to suffer it.

85 BakaRanger  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:27pm

re: #23 jcm

My last cat talked to me. The scary thing is I understood him, change my litter box, feed me, I want a lap, and give me the damn pillow, all phrases I understood.

The sooner you let the cat train you the better the relatiionship will be.

86 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:44pm

re: #82 unclassifiable
BRAVO.
Verrry nice.
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?

87 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:44pm

Looks like the fires moved to Sylmar..

88 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:51pm

re: #80 Maximu§

I believe you are in the right place sir.

89 Salem  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:28:53pm

re: #44 Killian Bundy

Happy Tree Friends

/whatever

Hey, that's wrong!

90 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:20pm

re: #82 unclassifiable


Dude...why are they killing the young Moonlight Graham? Not cool...

91 Inquisitive  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:26pm

re: #56 gmsc

Yep. She thought regular dancing was too dangerous for me. She preferred a Safety Dance.

Well....I guess you'll have to learn some of these....Dance Moves
.....sorry I just couldn't help myself.....

92 Maximu§  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:48pm

re: #88 unclassifiable

Ive been drinking Pomegranate Martini's...with a lemon twist.

93 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:30:58pm

I have Letterman on in the background because Bill Cosby is on tonight and just caught this:

Top Ten signs youre watching a bad Bond film:
#5 - hot new Bond girl has five kids and a loving husband named Todd

94 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:31:01pm

re: #86 CalBear84

BRAVO.
Verrry nice.
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?

Pierre?

95 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:32:14pm

re: #90 Page

96 Emperor Norton  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:32:32pm

A dog thinks, "He gives me food, he gives me affection, he gives me toys--he must be God."

A cat thinks, "He gives me food, he gives me affection, he gives me toys--I must be God."

97 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:33:21pm

Errr...
As I was saying.
Very nice Page.
Never noticed that was Doc Graham getting whacked.

98 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:34:10pm

re: #94 Outrider

They dont' call it anything...cause of the metric system.

99 sdkruiser  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:34:38pm

If cats could talk they'd complain about the litter box smell too.

100 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:35:09pm

Royale with cheese

101 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:35:56pm

re: #86 CalBear84

BRAVO.
Verrry nice.
What do they call a quarter pounder in France?

What do they call Canadian Bacon in Canada?

102 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #84 Sharmuta

I think there's a wide range of opinion allowed here, so I'm not sure why you would worry over that. I'm also not sure why you would see the line as blurry. We have few unwritten rules around here, but one is that we be decent guests in this house. People who crap in the living room are not welcome. I think what's going on here is some people have different opinions on what crapping is, but I think it's up to the host. He doesn't nor shouldn't have to suffer it.


Exactly. This is Charles' house. And his bandwith. Posting here is not a right. It is a privilege. And Charles has been more than generous over the years. If anyone has anything incredibly important to say that Charles won't allow here, start your own blog.

103 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:37:05pm

re: #93 JeremiahRight

re: #100 JeremiahRight

I'll have a LeBig Mac et une Royale avec fromage

104 UncleSam  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:38:31pm

re: #101 gmsc

What do they call Canadian Bacon in Canada?

Bacon.

105 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:38:41pm

re: #101 gmsc
What?

106 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:40:08pm

re: #103 CalBear84

Check out the big brain on CalBear84!

107 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:40:57pm

re: #96 Emperor Norton

A dem thinks, "The one gives me food, he gives me affection, he gives me toys--he must be God."

A rational person thinks, "I earn/catch/grow my food, I can do things to deserve affection, I buy my toys--I must be Good."

108 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:03pm

re: #101 gmsc

What do they call Canadian Bacon in Canada?

they call it "back bacon"

109 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:25pm

Say WHAT again!
WHAT?
BAM!

110 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:39pm

re: #53 CalBear84

I live in the LA region. To get someone in parts of LA to vote for Obama would only take a carton of cigarettes. ACORN could easily do that.

111 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:41:58pm

re: #101 gmsc

Back Bacon

112 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:42:55pm

re: #110 Ledger1

I live in the LA region. To get someone in parts of LA to vote for Obama would only take a carton of cigarettes. ACORN could easily do that.

Dang, they were only getting a pack and a ride in Ohio. lol

The cost of being a derelict must be higher in California.

113 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:43:48pm
114 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:44:43pm

re: #108 JeremiahRight

they call it "back bacon"

re: #111 Metal Man

Back Bacon

OK - now how about explaining the Braille on those drive-up ATMs?

115 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:45:07pm

re: #10 wright1

In my 5 or so years here, Charles has been consistent in allowing dissent. There are banned persons that will scream foul at that last statement. Nodrog and ChenZen live an afterlife of self adulation on the supposition that they were banned for being just too damned effective in advancing their arguments. But that is the perspective (and behavior) you'd expect from those who use the web to argue as sport, have inflated self opinions and don't argue fairly (such as refusing to concede any point where they have been proven wrong) in the process. So it isn't just pedantic tone, it also comes down to simply arguing dishonestly.

Now I have to be honest in saying that arguing dishonestly is not always banned - there are plenty here that aren't familiar with formal debate and don't distinguish naked assertions, opinion and fact from each other. They may post their take on something and it may not pass the entry exam for the Oxford debating society, but no one challenges them on it. It simply sits as an orphaned comment. Nothing wrong with that - everyone is entitled to an opinion (even malformed opinion). And if it turns out to be an opinion that supports consensus, who is going to be a prick and say "I agree with you, but your argument is flawed"?

But such people will often attract predators - folks who know their way around debate and will then pick on someone and then shift the argument or the standard of support to simply irritate the other into frustration and some indefensible outburst. Cognito liked doing that by insisting people post "facts" (wherein some might just do that, and he'd sometimes shift the standard of "fact" based on his expertise as a journalist - and he was playing that game with Jindal's acknowledged exorcism when he got banned).

ChenZen and Nodrog (to varying degrees) would do much the same more clumsily in that they'd continually blur assertion and fact and the shift arguments, all sprinkled with insults about how their interlocutors were morally inferior beings.

As for the pantheon of banned folks who "fit the mold" remember that was a self reinforcing mold which started to color public opinion of Charles himself. When this started out, Charles idealistically followed a Laisez Faire policy on comments. You had to pretty much post a credible death threat to get banned, and (prior to registration) a ban didn't mean anything. So the idea that Mr Johnson wants to run a Jonestown like cult here is a bit wild to me having seen what looked more like a yeast culture in the comment section. Those who started to feel emboldened by those around them (as happens in mobs) and would express over-the-top desires to kill large groups of people or kill particular people were initially tolerated. That started to bite Charles in the ass as MSM columnists started harshing the site as an "online Nuremberg Rally" and whatnot. CAIR even started filing complaints with the FBI. Regardless of why, Charles changed the policy and has enforced it since. That banning policy led to the hate sites, which led to more bannings as people tried to play both sides. As the more rabid ideologues got weeded out, they fed more animus and now Charles has to sniff out "friend or foe." In all, it sucks to be Charles Johnson having to put up with the crap, and I think his frustration is showing itself in less patience for ass holes.

Point is, I think you could post any argument "against the grain" relative to a thread that you are honestly willing to support and are prepared to argue fairly. If you argue "with the grain" the standards are lower simply because such arguments don't stand out that much.

As for what Charles posts on, this is just a dude's blog. Photo of a cat? Blog post. New shifter for bike? Blog post. Fatwa against mini skirts? Blog post.

Just remember - If you go to a friend's house and don't like the curtains, compliment them on their kitchen

116 Crux Australis  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:47:08pm

re: #78 gmsc

OK, he can dance in mid-air. Can he Walk Like An Egyptian?

Susanna Hoffs

117 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:47:22pm

re: #114 gmsc

OK - now how about explaining the Braille on those drive-up ATMs?

Drive-up ATM buttons are marked with braille because federal regulations require it. To be specific, section 4.34.4 of the ADA Accessibility Guidelines for Buildings and Facilities (Appendix to Part 1191, 36 CFR Chapter XI, issued pursuant to the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990) says, "Instructions and all information for use [of an automated teller machine] shall be made accessible to and independently usable by persons with vision impairments."

your government at work!

118 Outrider  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:48:32pm

re: #114 gmsc

OK - now how about explaining the Braille on those drive-up ATMs?

that way the company only has to make one machine for drive-ups and walk-ups; instead of two different face plates.

Now explain why a restaurant mens room has its sign in brail? I asked a manager about that one time and he told me that an employee would tell them where the door and sign was. I asked why couldn't the employee just tell the blind guy which was the male and female.

119 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:49:34pm

re: #114 gmsc

Because blind people don't want to give their PIN# to the driver?

120 Ledger1  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:49:47pm

re: #112 Outrider

Well, those clods in Ohio sell out too easily. They should have ask for at least 5 packs of cigs!

121 CalBear84  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:50:08pm

re: #114 gmsc

re: #117 JeremiahRight


Don't mess with the ADA...lessun you like fines.

122 SummerSong  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:51:50pm
123 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:52:35pm

re: #118 Outrider

If you were blind would you trust a teenager to send you through the right door?

124 JeremiahRight  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:54:10pm
125 gmsc  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:56:25pm

Bringing together the "Cat" and "Question" memes:

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

126 Metal Man  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:57:28pm

re: #124 JeremiahRight

Now that's funny :)

127 Page  Fri, Nov 14, 2008 11:59:24pm

Foxtrotter, if you're still around, this one's for you:

Enjoy.

128 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:00:09am

re: #42 wright1

I am not afraid of being able to make my points but it seems lately, the very existence of an oppositional idea causes consternation and after that, well... perhaps baning. Having said that, I completely get how things are here and how they have been. It is my sense however lately that their is more of a hair trigger to trounce ideas that are not conforming to either Charles and/or the majority. I can take the debating even when it is acrimonious, but as I said, the line demarking the water's edge seems a bit blurry these days. Frankly, how I put it in my previous post lays out the way I feel.

Sorry for the delay - I was answering emails.

Clearly, wright1, you didn't go back and read the thread as I suggested, otherwise you wouldn't be making that statement. I say this as someone who likes mama winger, and joked with her frequently on this forum. Charles noted that she was trashing him on another blog, and was offended by that. Even so, he allowed her to continue to post here. I don't know what went on at the other blog, but if I witnessed it, I would have certainly said something to her about it. I consider her a friend, as I do most of you with whom I communicate with on a near daily basis.

And no, there is not a "hair-trigger" here as to what Charles or the rest of us will accept as acceptable commentary, other than calls for violence or bigotry. If you state something that is bullshit, someone more knowledgeable will call your ass on it. Back up what you say with links to legitimate sources and you'll be just fine. If you're going to play with nut-job conspiracy theories about Obama's alleged muslim heritage, or some bogus issue about his birth certificate (and persist so) you'll be warned, warned, then blocked.

In my mind, no one "played" this blog better than Cognito. I remember when he first came on the scene - fully five months after he originally registered. He was a contrarian from the start, but learned to temper his comments - even make "sympathetic" commentary - in order to stick around and win friends. I saw through his bullshit completely, and was even somewhat frustrated as Charles came close to banning him a couple times, but relented. I always thought he was always an unfaithful debate partner, but respected Charles' decision to keep him around (dude even got a hat tip).

I know you've probably signed off, but as I think about your post, and reasons you may have ignored my suggestion to go back and read through the shuttle thread, I'm growing skeptical of your motivation.

Anyway, it's 2:00 am here, and I must be going. Feel free to catch me on another thread if you wish to continue this conversation.

129 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:00:15am

re: #115 karmic_inquisitor

The notion that LGF is intolerant of debate or dissent is a load of rubbish spewed forth by people who are incapable of behaving themselves, not to mention incapable of making rational arguments.

130 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:07am

I love you to much to ever start liking you, so don't expect me to be your friend.

131 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:25am

re: #123 Metal Man

If you were blind would you trust a teenager to send you through the right door?

Heh. I worked as a security guard in Colorado Springs years ago, and was placed in high crime fast food places a number of times. After watching the teen agers working in those places, I've never eaten in a fast food place again. Answer the question? ;-)>

132 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:38am

re: #125 gmsc

Only for inner city cats.

133 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:01:43am

re: #71 suboptimal

None that I'm aware of, sorry.

That's kind of where I was going with that. Maybe a 24 hour rule?

134 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:03:22am

re: #124 JeremiahRight

The Restroom Door Said Gentlemen...

funny!

135 Palandine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:03:46am

You see, this is what happens when you're in an undisclosed location for 3 days.

Cognito got the stick? Wow, I'd been waiting for that day for years, and I didn't even feel a disturbance in the Force when it happened. Still, on the day it happened, I was celebrating something else at a bar, so, this pomegranate margarita's for you Charles. Strange, I feel a bit like Wile E. Coyote, when he finally caught the Road Runner and waved the sign that said "what do I do now?" Oh well, it's still like Christmas in November.

I would like to put in a good word for Mama Winger, who is a patriot and a mother of patriots, who worked so hard to try to stop Mr. Obama's election in the face of terrible odds. She's a good person, and I always enjoyed her posts. Still, Charles has an absolute right to moderate his posts however he sees fit, and I'm sure mama winger will do fine wherever she ends up.

136 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:03:58am

re: #125 gmsc

Bringing together the "Cat" and "Question" memes:

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

hmmmm how do you know there isn't? maybe it all is.

137 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:04:39am

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

It also helps that when your BS is called that you own up to it. Finely crafted BS is a thing of beauty but shoddy BS will get you pwned.

138 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:05:49am

re: #131 Outrider

Yes.

139 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:06:35am

Mama Winger got whacked?

140 SummerSong  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:06:49am

re: #130 Salem

I love you to much to ever start liking you, so don't expect me to be your friend.

You Murder me, Salem :)

141 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:07:15am

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

Cognito was a real piece of work, I had a love hate relationship with 'it'.

142 JeremiahRight  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:07:35am

re: #136 Outrider

hmmmm how do you know there isn't? maybe it all is.

right, mouse probably tastes like chicken, and there are tons of chicken flavored cat food. who knows

143 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:07:55am

Amazing what happens when fascists crawl out of the woodwork.

144 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:08:17am

re: #139 Outrider

Yes, again, and this time permanently.

145 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:09:56am

Here's one that just happened: On the Weather Channel they said the Yellowstone National Park was forecasted to hit 0 degrees Fahrenheit on Saturday, and it was expected to be twice as cold on Sunday.

Wouldn't that still be 0 degrees?

146 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:09:58am

I'm always walking after midnight, searching for you.

147 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:09am

re: #125 gmsc

Bringing together the "Cat" and "Question" memes:

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

Dunno.....same reason there isn't ass flavored dog food?

148 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:18am

re: #131 Outrider

Heh. I worked as a security guard in Colorado Springs years ago, and was placed in high crime fast food places a number of times. After watching the teen agers working in those places, I've never eaten in a fast food place again. Answer the question? ;-)>


field sanitation training..... i don't even want to eat at home........

149 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:21am

re: #144 victor_yugo

Yes, again, and this time permanently.

WOW!

150 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:43am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

LMAO

151 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:10:59am

re: #139 Outrider

Mama Winger got whacked?

That wouldn't be the first time.

152 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:12:54am

re: #139 Outrider
From Watch the Shuttle launch thread.
re: #802 Charles

Mama winger was banned once before for trashing me at other blogs, and she talked me into letting her back in. That's how she repays me, by siding with scumbags and fanatics who hate me.

Disgusting.

Follow up that thread if you need to know more.

153 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:13:37am

re: #115 karmic_inquisitor

I agree with you, but this part of your argument is flawed:

So the idea that Mr Johnson wants to run a Jonestown like cult here is a bit wild to me having seen what looked more like a yeast culture in the comment section.

You inflate wright1's argument to an absurd level. I've never been schooled in debate, but I'm sure this is a logical fallacy of some sort.

;)

Just bustin' yer balls, KI. That was a great post.

154 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:13:47am

re: #140 SummerSong

You Murder me, Salem :)

Silence! That name shall no more!

155 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:14:01am

Major premise A: Marriage is an institution.

Major premise B: Marriage is love.
Minor premise: Love is blind.

Conclusion: Marriage is an institution for the blind.

156 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:14:45am

re: #146 Salem

Not in Detroit you're not.

And you're sure as hell not doing it in Mexico City either.

157 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:16:15am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

Oh! Almost peed my pants on that one.

158 haakondahl  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:16:26am

re: #145 gmsc

Here's one that just happened: On the Weather Channel they said the Yellowstone National Park was forecasted to hit 0 degrees Fahrenheit on Saturday, and it was expected to be twice as cold on Sunday.

Wouldn't that still be 0 degrees?

I guess it'll be -230 F.

159 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:17:25am

re: #155 gmsc

Hell I've entered 2 marriages completely blind so far so that sounds about right to me.

160 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:17:49am

re: #155 gmsc

Does that make divorce like cataract surgery without the anesthesia?

161 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:17:59am

re: #130 Salem

I love you to much to ever start liking you, so don't expect me to be your friend.

Is that an Ashleigh Brilliant?

162 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:18:53am

re: #160 unclassifiable

Does that make divorce like cataract surgery without the anesthesia?

...and with greater expense!

163 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:19:54am

re: #147 Fenway_Nation

Dunno.....same reason there isn't ass flavored dog food?

Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives?

164 JeremiahRight  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:20:08am

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

165 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:21:20am

re: #163 gmsc

Wanna find out what's worse that a radioactive cat? Change the litter box. The answer is in there I promise you.

166 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:22:24am

Cognito has been yanking chains at LGF for quite some time, playing cat and mouse with the man. He yanked too hard, one too many times.

167 SummerSong  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:22:29am

re: #154 Salem

Silence! That name shall no more!

I know what I know, if you know what I mean.... ;)

168 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:23:01am

You don't know what it's like to love somebody the way I love you.

169 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:16am

re: #165 unclassifiable

Wanna find out what's worse that a radioactive cat? Change the litter box. The answer is in there I promise you.

According to Daniel Rosen, a dead cat is one of the most deadly weapons known to man.

170 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:36am

re: #152 Metal Man

From Watch the Shuttle launch thread.
re: #802 Charles

Follow up that thread if you need to know more.


Nah, thats enough. Given prior conversations, it was probably over the ID threads. Never thought of her as a "talk behind the back" person.

171 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:48am

re: #141 MrPaulRevere

Cognito was a real piece of work, I had a love hate relationship with 'it'.

Cognito was a Class 1 Asshole. I trusted him initially, but eventually recognized his game. Many may have thought he brought something substantive to this forum, but he was just bullshitting them.

172 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:49am

re: #166 MrPaulRevere

Really not worthy of any more commentary, frankly.

How are you, Archie?

173 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:50am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

Pick the gun you feel the best shooting since hitting the target is more important than caliber between 9mm and .40cal.

174 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:24:59am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

I'm still trying to decide between 10mm and .41AE

175 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:25:16am

re: #161 itellu3times

Is that an Ashleigh Brilliant?

Some guy. I don't know, I just think that's a funny line. This local radio station I listen to that plays all these square old songs, which I think are cool for some reason.

176 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:26:39am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

I'm still trying to decide between 10mm and .41AE

Well, JeremiahRight, it sounds like Fenway is trying to one-up you!

177 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:26:57am

re: #173 Metal Man

Pick the gun you feel the best shooting since hitting the target is more important than caliber between 9mm and .40cal.

eh. use a grenade. that way no one knows where you are. ;-)>

178 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:28:56am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Doing well thanks. I got over my electoral hangover and am back at full speed. I have 6 hours of overtime lined up tomorrow so I'm a happy camper. Nirvana to a blue collar guy. And yes, 'it' is no longer worthy of commentary.

179 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:28:58am

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

(No offense intended, Sharmuta.)

180 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:29:31am

re: #164 JeremiahRight

I've been reading up on the 9mm vs. .40 debate lately. Any takers? The previous gun thread went cold on me

Cops use .40 SW almost exclusively. There's a good reason for that - it's the most effective while limiting collateral damage.

Ironically, I'm taking my two 9mm's to the range in about seven hours.

Good night, all.

Cognito still sucks!

181 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:29:37am

re: #179 gmsc

Smurfaphobe! *sob*

182 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:29:41am

re: #148 redc1c4

field sanitation training..... i don't even want to eat at home........

never minded what came at me in the bush. I always figured I had built up the anti-bodies to deal with the little nasties that seemed to always creep into the rations or water. Must have done it.

183 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:30:08am

re: #170 Outrider

My quote was really from Charles where He says she talked smack in other threads/blogs and up that thread was the last straw for him. I've been here long enough to know he doesn't take banning lightly.

184 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:31:05am

re: #183 Metal Man

My quote was really from Charles where He says she talked smack in other threads/blogs and up that thread was the last straw for him. I've been here long enough to know he doesn't take banning lightly.

ah. Understood. Thanks.

185 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:32:24am

re: #179 gmsc

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

(No offense intended, Sharmuta.)

opaque...

all hand guns should start with a "4" or higher......

/white smoke

186 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:32:57am

re: #177 Outrider

Do they sell those at Gander Mountain:(

187 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:33:12am

re: #179 gmsc

If you choke a smurf, what color does it turn?

(No offense intended, Sharmuta.)

re: #181 Sharmuta

Smurfaphobe! *sob*

. . . and that's the story of how gmsc was banned!

188 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:33:55am

re: #183 Metal Man

My quote was really from Charles where He says she talked smack in other threads/blogs and up that thread was the last straw for him. I've been here long enough to know he doesn't take banning lightly.


No he doesn't. Everyone gets enough notice and warnings.
Keeps the food chain thriving though. Reach a threshold of whackies, then open registration again. lol

I'm thinking over the years he has banned more folks than I have ever even had visit my site. ;-)>

189 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:34:08am

re: #178 MrPaulRevere

Overtime is good! I have a feeling in the coming years it will be harder and harder to acquire.

190 Ledger1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:35:46am

re: #128 Noam Sayin'

I went back and read the space shuttle thread. I am somewhat surprised. I know more about the banning now then before.

I did not know Mama winger had been banned before and was bad mouthing Charles on other blogs. I can see why he would be angry. As for Song and dance man, he is always over the top and he is quite religious (Charles is the opposite).

My sense is that now the election is over their will be retailiation against those who supported McCain – as Charles did.

There is a group of hostile websites that watches Lgf and cherry pick posts to show that Lgf is a “hate site.”

I suspect that Charles is under pressure to clean up some of offensive posts. If no clean up occurs, I suspect that Obama’s communication consulting professionals with attack Lgf at every turn.

Charles is located one of the most heavily moonbat populated areas. I can see him being an easy target for retailiation – they did it to Joe The Plumber. Now, that is just my uninformed speculation (I am not up on things and I rarely post).

See LA area graphical popular vote count of USA

191 JeremiahRight  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:35:57am

re: #181 Sharmuta

Smurfaphobe! *sob*

smurf

192 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:36:20am

re: #188 Outrider

It's not the quantity of whacking that makes the man it's the quality.

193 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:37:21am

In the cool cool cool of the evening, tell them we'll be there.

194 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:37:39am

re: #188 Outrider

No he doesn't. Everyone gets enough notice and warnings.
Keeps the food chain thriving though. Reach a threshold of whackies, then open registration again. lol

I'm thinking over the years he has banned more folks than I have ever even had visit my site. ;-)>

i look upon his banning as a Darwinian selection for those most capable of cogent thought.......... i'm just not sure how i survived. %-)

/white smoke

195 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:39:17am

re: #186 Metal Man

Do they sell those at Gander Mountain:(

now that would be nice. Fishing? Get the limit.

Drunks out in the alleyway creating noisy problem? Chuck a grenade down the fire escape-problem solved.

Drunken argument next door? In goes the grenade-out goes the problems.

Smoke grenades would be fun to fool with also-company picnic getting boring? Pop purple and land a news chopper (whose pilot flashed back) in the middle of the 3-legged race. Boring sales meeting? Pop a red and escape under cover.

possibilities abound.

196 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:40:22am

re: #194 redc1c4

I'm guessing all that white cover smoke is the only reason you've survived.

197 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:41:40am

re: #190 Ledger1

Wow- I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think he knows what he wants on his own site, and that backstabbers and those who tolerate them are among the things he doesn't feel the need to allow.

198 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:41:48am

re: #192 Metal Man

It's not the quantity of whacking that makes the man it's the quality.

so-------a quality whacking means the whackee was a quality commenter? or a lousy commenter?

And a lousy whacking means the commenter was a quality commenter?

199 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:41:52am

Who can turn the world on with a smile? Who can take a nothing day and suddenly make it seem worthwhile?

You're gonna make it after all.

200 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:42:05am

re: #195 Outrider

now that would be nice. Fishing? Get the limit.

Drunks out in the alleyway creating noisy problem? Chuck a grenade down the fire escape-problem solved.

Drunken argument next door? In goes the grenade-out goes the problems.

Smoke grenades would be fun to fool with also-company picnic getting boring? Pop purple and land a news chopper (whose pilot flashed back) in the middle of the 3-legged race. Boring sales meeting? Pop a red and escape under cover.

possibilities abound.

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

201 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:42:50am

re: #189 Sharmuta

We are in uncharted economic waters. I'm sucking up every hour of work I can get. In times like these, I remember what one of my grandfathers told me....."Adversity introduces a man to himself".

202 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:44:26am

re: #196 Metal Man

I'm guessing all that white cover smoke is the only reason you've survived.

you are welcome to guess that......and yes, i AM incompetent........

/white smoke

203 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:45:14am

re: #200 redc1c4

Smoke and Pyro

White Smoke---Covering/Screening only
Yellow Smoke---Designated target (Fire at will)
Purple Smoke---All after is sarcastic
Green Smoke---Kook Identifed
White Star Cluster---All Clear
Yellow Star Cluster---Cease-fire
Red Star Cluster---Danger


Some Examples:

Red says something smart and instead of "ducking," pops white smoke and disengages.

Anyone needing assistance might designate a post (or a thread in the subject line) with yellow smoke.

Prior to typing a sarcastic remark, "pop purple smoke." When removing tounge from cheek, send up a White Star Cluster.

Green star clusters would probaly be most effective for the person on SGT Casey's duty roster with an addition to a subject line.

Yellow star clusters used to designate a friendly under fire or to initiate compromise under a misunderstanding.

Red star custer, any kind of warning.

I used to be real partial to them purple smokes. They were harder for our targets to acquire, thus safer for us. It was easier for pilots to see and ID the purple also. So things went quicker.

204 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:45:26am

Actually, I was shown a used German police-issue SIG 9mm earlier today. Pretty good deal, but I was less than impressed with the sorta wimpy 8-round stick magazine (looked like the grip could've easily accomodated a staggered mag that squoze in a dozen rounds- or at least 8 rounds of something a little more powerful a-la .40S&W or .45ACP.

But then I got to thinking- isn't the IDF gonna retire their Jericho 9mm in favor of the newer, polymer Barak 9mm? (Yes- the only thing named 'Barak' that the Israelis can depend on)...

It really would be a shame if those otherwise-serviceable Jerichos were melted down into scrap metal. I'm hoping that some IDF-surplus ones might be able to find their way over here...

205 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:47:18am

re: #201 MrPaulRevere

We are in uncharted economic waters. I'm sucking up every hour of work I can get. In times like these, I remember what one of my grandfathers told me....."Adversity introduces a man to himself".

I'm looking to cut as much spending from my daily budget as possible.

206 Ledger1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:47:59am

re: #197 Sharmuta

I don't know the real reason. But, retaliation against Charles is certainly a possibility.

207 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:49:13am

If ever I would leave you
It wouldn't be in summer.
Seeing you in summer I never would go.

208 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:49:32am

re: #198 Outrider

Quality is taking the time to be sure it's not just bad grammar or sarcasm that only makes sense to the poster. Quantity is banning everyone that posts something you don't agree with think DKOS.

209 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:49:52am

re: #203 Outrider

I used to be real partial to them purple smokes. They were harder for our targets to acquire, thus safer for us. It was easier for pilots to see and ID the purple also. So things went quicker.

210 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:50:40am

re: #200 redc1c4

Purple Smoke

Cough Hack Wheeze

That seems really complicated redc1c4. Crap where am I? Whats this?

White Cluster

Crap -- burned myself. cough cough. Shit -- gotta get out

Green smoke -- this ain't workin damnit. Hello? Where is every one?

211 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:51:26am

re: #205 Sharmuta

And that's only rational. It common sense. And you are right its about LGF upholding standards. Where Charles lives is irrelevant.

212 redc1c4  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:53:03am

re: #210 unclassifiable

Purple Smoke

Cough Hack Wheeze

That seems really complicated redc1c4. Crap where am I? Whats this?

White Cluster

Crap -- burned myself. cough cough. Shit -- gotta get out

Green smoke -- this ain't workin damnit. Hello? Where is every one?


no worries! it;s all Blue Cannucks fault!

213 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:53:26am

In full disclosure... More questions for prospective Obama Administration members

Thank you for applying to join the Obama Administration. We have just a few remaining questions.
What is your middle name?
List all inappropriate jokes at which you have laughed. Specify whether the laughter was a) wholehearted, b) begrudging, c) ironic.
How many knives do you own? Please specify butter, ordinary, steak, machete switch blade or other.
Do you think you can play guitar?
Can you really play guitar?
Remember that night in college you'd rather forget? Tell us all about it.
Have you ever written a love letter. Please attach.
Have you ever gotten testy with the credit card company's support line in a way that, if revealed, might jeopardize U.S.-India relations? Please describe.
Do you possess any of the following obsessions: 1) comic books, 2) fantasy football, 3) video games. If you circled 2, please describe said fantasy.
In the following ink blot, do you see a) hope, b) change, c) the Obama campaign symbol d) President Obama's head carved into the side of Mount Rushmore, e) other.
How much hope do you have for America under President Obama? Please be expansive.
Have you ever been voted off a reality TV-show. Why?
In his/her adult life, how many times has your spouse been proud of America? a) 0, b) once, on Nov. 4, 2008, c) 2-6 times, d) every day or his/her life.
What's the worst thing you ever said in a breakup fight? Did you take it back? If not, can you please take it back now?
Have you ever sat in a sermon you regretted? If so, why did you continue to sit in the church or synagogue. What, you say it was a mosque? Please see form 13B-iii.
Do you watch America's Next Top Model? What do you think of that guy with the hair?
If Batman, Spiderman and Barack Obama got in a huge fight, describe exactly how the winner would use his superhuman integrity, intelligence, coalition-building skills and discipline to win.
Are you a) a lover or b) a fighter?
If a) how deep is your love?
If b) is Saturday night all right for fighting?
Have you ever failed to disclose something on a disclosure form (including this one) that could prove to be embarrassing? Why not?
Do you like it rough?
Are there any photos circulating of you: a) in compromising positions with men/women other than your husband/wife, b) in a turban or c) with President George W. Bush?
In this questionnaire, are you not not telling everything but the truth?
Are we cool? No, seriously, are we cool? I just need to know we're cool.

214 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:53:47am

re: #207 Salem

Karaoke!

215 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:55:13am

re: #206 Ledger1

See my #84.

216 unclassifiable  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:57:17am

Good night folks.

217 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:57:36am

re: #216 unclassifiable

Good night folks.

Good night!

218 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:58:00am

re: #208 Metal Man

Quality is taking the time to be sure it's not just bad grammar or sarcasm that only makes sense to the poster. Quantity is banning everyone that posts something you don't agree with think DKOS.

Yes. I've always gone on the premise, if the author didn't want various viewpoints, the author would have a web site-not a blog.

219 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:58:44am

re: #202 redc1c4

Hell I would take your deployment of white smoke as a proof of competence not the other way round:)

220 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 12:59:31am

re: #89 Salem

Hey, that's wrong!

/no, this is wrong

221 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:00:36am

re: #218 Outrider

Yes. I've always gone on the premise, if the author didn't want various viewpoints, the author would have a web site-not a blog.

that said, there is a point where someone is just being obtuse or is out to create friction.; in which point they are a liability and just drag things down.

Then, the author does have his own self interests. If racist or hateful stuff is routinely posted, the author gets a bad reputation and reputable people don't come to the site. It quickly turns into chaos, with no benefits derived from coming there.

222 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:01:40am

re: #214 littleoldlady

Karaoke!

Tune that Name!

223 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:01:54am

Cat Prayer

Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray this cushy life to keep.
I pray for toys that look like mice,
And sofa cushions, soft and nice.
I pray for gourmet kitty snacks,
And someone nice to scratch my back,
For windowsills all warm and bright,
For shadows to explore at night.
I pray I'll always stay real cool
And keep the secret feline rule
To NEVER tell a human that
The world is really ruled by CATS!

~ Author Unknown

224 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:02:28am

It's not showtunes, but I hope littleoldlady likes it anyways.

225 Outrider  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:02:46am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

/no, this is wrong

wonder if they support UGA?

226 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:03:20am

Why Cats are Better than Men

1. A cat always comes in SOBER after being out all night.

2. When a cat goes to the toilet she tries not to leave a trace.

3. You can put a bell around a cat's neck so you know exactly where she is.

4. If you stroke a cat she won't leap on you for sex.

5. You don't mind that much if a cat brings a bird home every night.

6. When a cat comes in at midnight it doesn't wake you up by smashing into the furniture.

7. Cats never pretend they know how to fix the video.

8. Cats don't care what size your boobs are.

9. Cats still love you even when your perm goes wrong.

10. Cats love rubbing up to your legs however much cellulite you have.

11. Cats can be neutered if they stray.

12. If a cat jumps into your lap, a little light petting will satisfy her.

13. It's okay if a cat rubs up against your best friend.

14. If you ask enough times, a cat may actually listen to you.

15. You never have to spend time with your cat's mother.

16. Better chance of training a cat.

17. Cats are cute.

18. A cat is never late for dinner.

19. Cats love to see you come home from shopping with lots of bags!

20. You'll never get a call from you cat's ex-wife.

21. A cat would never leave you for a younger women.

22. Cats treat your mom with respect.

23. Cats don't worry about hair loss.

24. I feels nice to stroke a cats soft, fluffy fur.

25. A cat's friend is less likely to be annoying.

26. Cats can't show love without meaning it.

27. To buy a fancy dinner for a cat only costs 40p

28. Cats actually think with their heads.

29. Unlike a man, a cat can fend for itself.

30. It is legal in all states to neuter a cat.

31. Cats comfort you when you are sick.

32. When a cat sleeps all day it's natural, not annoying.

227 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:03:24am

re: #218 Outrider

Yes. I've always gone on the premise, if the author didn't want various viewpoints, the author would have a web site-not a blog.

I agree but 99% of blogs will never know there is a choice. You can't ban posters that don't post.

228 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:04:06am

Robert Goulet has always sounded like it's coming from some 3 AM phantom universe.

229 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:05:36am

CAT COMMANDMENTS >^,,^

230 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:06:12am

re: #224 Sharmuta

VERY nice! :-)

231 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:06:40am

CAT COMMANDMENTS

1. Thou shalt not jump onto the keyboard when thy human is on the modem.
2. Thou shalt not pull the phone cord out of the back of the modem.
3. Thou shalt not unroll all of the toilet paper off of the roll.
4. Thou shalt not sit in front of the television or monitor, as thou art not transparent.
5. Thou shalt not projectile vomit from the top of the refrigerator.
6. Thou shalt not walk in on a dinner party and commence licking thy butt.
7. Thou shalt not lie down with thy butt in thy human's face.
8. Thou shalt not leap from great heights onto thy human's lap region.
9. Fast as thou are, thou cannot run through closed doors.
10. Thou shalt not reset thy human's alarm clock by walking on it.
11. Thou shalt not climb on the garbage can with the hinged lid, as thou will fall in and trap thy self.
12. Thou shalt not jump onto the toilet seat, just as thy human is sitting down.
13. Thou shalt not jump onto thy sleeping human's bladder at 4 am.
14. Thou shalt realize that the house is not a prison from which to escape at any opportunity.
15. Thou shalt not trip thy human even if they are walking too slow.
16. Thou shalt not push open the bathroom door when there are guests in the house.
17. Thou shalt remember that thou are a carnivore and that houseplants are not meat.
18. Thou shalt show remorse when being scolded.

232 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:06:50am

re: #226 Dustyvet

2. When a cat goes to the toilet she tries not to leave a trace.

/they don't flush

233 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:07:15am

You and I march to the beat of a different drum.

234 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:08:23am

Shucks, I'd better crash. Later guys...

235 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:09:18am

re: #207 Salem

If ever I would leave you
It wouldn't be in summer.
Seeing you in summer I never would go.

Strangely enough, I seem to know all the words to that song.

236 Metal Man  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:09:36am

re: #226 Dustyvet

The real reason cats are better than men they kill mice before you see them.
Which is why as a man I let a cat live in my house.
The dog barks when strangers approach so I keep him too:)

237 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:09:47am

re: #228 Salem

Robert Goulet has always sounded like it's coming from some 3 AM phantom universe.

Well, yeah.

/besides, he's dead...

238 SummerSong  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:10:18am

re: #207 Salem

If ever I would leave you
It wouldn't be in summer.
Seeing you in summer I never would go.

I'm gonna leave you -

239 MrPaulRevere  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:10:36am

Take care all. And keep your chins up.

240 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:11:13am

Did you hear about the cat who drank 5 bowls of water? He set a new lap record.

241 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:13:31am

re: #237 littleoldlady

Well, yeah.

/besides, he's dead...

So they say. 8(

242 DrCruel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:15:44am

I've been on wide open blogs and news groups where the moonbats are allowed to congregate. Sooner or later, in the name of fair and open dialogue, they end up pushing out everyone else. If they ever get in a position to do so, they kick everyone off who doesn't accept their ideological twists and turns.

I'm here because this blog is a proven quantity - this Charles fellow has already caught none other than Dan Rather of CBS out in a Big Lie campaign, and has clipped Reuters more than once - and thus far I rather like the policing that's been done here as well. This membership is a two-way street; if I didn't like what is going on here, I could always go elsewhere. Instead I remain, as clearly do many others.

Others might feel differently, but I for one am glad the riff-raff is kept out. There are plenty of places elsewhere that I can get the opinions of Left-wing fascists, often without any contrary interference allowed whatsoever. So I hope this remains a twit zone for at least the near future.

/rant

243 DrCruel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:17:17am

(...twit-free...)

244 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:17:25am

Oh noes!

/it's a cute bomb!

245 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:19:22am

re: #220 Killian Bundy

/no, this is wrong

Actually, everything you know is wrong!

246 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:22:17am

Interesting to see the greeting Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd received from President George W. Bush on the TV today. Definitely NOT the friendly encounters he had with John Howard.

I wonder what kind of relationship Obama will have with Rudd?

247 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:22:52am

re: #242 DrCruel
Riff Raff?

248 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:32:03am

Wow. That song never killed the thread before...

This one has.

249 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:32:15am

re: #246 Crux Australis

I wonder what kind of relationship Obama will have with Rudd?

/they'll probably swap tasty ear wax

250 the phantom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:34:44am

re: #228 Salem

Robert Goulet has always sounded like it's coming from some 3 AM phantom universe.

Welcome to my world.

251 Irish Rose  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:36:32am

Good evening morning lizards.
Insomnia sucks :).

252 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:39:16am

re: #250 the phantom

Welcome to my world.

Your world...

253 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:39:29am

re: #250 the phantom

Welcome to my world.

Give Mr. Goulet my regards.

254 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:41:30am

Hi, Rose.

255 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:44:48am

Audit: Sharpton campaign owes US nearly $500,000

Federal auditors have concluded the Rev. Al Sharpton's 2004 campaign owes the government nearly $500,000 for illegal donations and other financial improprieties. Sharpton has been feuding with the Federal Election Commission for years over his accounting in his failed run for president, for which he received $100,000 in so-called government matching funds that authorities later concluded he did not deserve because he hadn't followed campaign laws.

/racist auditors!

256 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:45:54am

re: #255 Killian Bundy

Audit: Sharpton campaign owes US nearly $500,000

/racist auditors!

Somewhere a jail cell waits...:)

257 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 1:47:34am

Insomnia. LGF Style.

/you get used to it ... after a few years.

Rose! :-)

258 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

259 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:00:43am

Fruitcup reigns supreme

260 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:02:06am

re: #258 littleoldlady

Thanks, littleoldlady!

261 the phantom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:02:43am

re: #252 littleoldlady

Open up your mind, let your fantasies unwind,
In this darkness that you know you cannot fight,
And listen to the lizards of the night...

262 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:04:58am

Morning all. Thanks for the fruitcup littleoldlady. did I miss anything?

263 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:07:10am

Fenway! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

Whatever you missed, I missed too.

YouTube's got me in its spell...

264 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:13:49am

Morning Lizards a joke to start your Sat. morning.
A lawyer married a woman who had previously divorced ten husbands.

On their wedding night, she told her new husband, "Please be gentle, I'm still a virgin."

"What?" said the puzzled groom.

"How can that be if you've been married ten times?"

"Well, Husband #1 was a sales representative: he kept telling me how great it was going to be.

Husband #2 was in software services: he was never really sure how it was supposed to function, but he said he'd look into it and get back to me.

Husband #3 was from field services: he said everything checked out diagnostically but he just couldn't get the system up.

Husband #4 was in telemarketing: even though he knew he had the order, he didn't know when he would be able to deliver.

Husband #5 was an engineer: he understood the basic process but wanted three years to research, implement, and design a new state-of-the-art method.
cont..

265 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:14:11am

Husband #6 was from finance and administration: he thought he knew how, but he wasn't sure whether it was his job or not.

Husband #7 was in marketing: although he had a nice product, he was never sure how to position it.

Husband #8 was a psychologist: all he ever did was talk about it.

Husband #9 was a gynecologist: all he did was look at it.

Husband #10 was a stamp collector: all he ever did was... God! I miss him! But now that I've married you, I'm really excited!"

"Good," said the new husband, "but, why?"

"You're a lawyer. This time I know I'm gonna get screwed!"

266 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:19:22am

Seemed quiet so went up thread to see what happened. Seems that red was taking my name in vain again. :)

re: #212 redc1c4

267 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:22:48am

Erik! :-)

Cute.

268 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:28:06am

re: #266 BlueCanuck

Go to the NASA thread and start at about comment 700 to see some fun.

269 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:28:10am

Mark Twain on Cats

Motto: Momma loves morals and Papa loves cats. - Susy Clemens (daughter of Mark Twain)

A cat is more intelligent than people believe, and can be taught any crime. - Mark Twain who was a passionate lover of cats...

Next to a wife whom I idolise, give me a cat - an old cat, with kittens. - Mark Twain in a letter to Olivia Clemens

One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives.

A home without a cat, and a well-fed, well-petted and properly revered cat, may be a perfect home, perhaps; but how can it prove its title?

By what right has the dog come to be regarded as a noble animal? The more brutal and cruel and unjust you are to him the more your fawning and adoring slave he becomes; whereas, if you shamefully misuse a cat once she will always maintain a dignified reserve toward you afterward - you will never get her full confidence again.

Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening grammar they use.

Never try to teach a cat to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the cat.

The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. Nor upon a cold stove lid.

The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned in no other way.

270 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:29:28am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Trust me I was there when it happened in live technicolor. Kept my head down out of sheer prudence.

271 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:29:51am

re: #256 Dustyvet

Somewhere a jail cell waits...:)

We can dream, can't we?

Ain't gonna happen. He has too many friends in the DP.

272 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:32:17am

re: #258 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

Gruess Gott. Wie geht es ihnen?

/channeling my latent Bavarian

273 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:36:07am

re: #272 Steffan

Gruess Gott. Wie geht es ihnen?

/channeling my latent Bavarian

Every third word in Yiddish (Hebrew, French...and every 10th word in Hungarian, none of them clean!)

/sorry. foreign language impaired :-(

I got "Good God! What are we eating now!"

;-)

274 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:37:39am

re: #264 Erik The Red

It's a Saturday Morning Confusion
And if you think you can sleep it's illusion
'Cause you'll probably get a rude intrusion
From Harry the Dog
Harry the Dog is as big as can be
Harry the Dog had puppies last week
We couldn't tell if he was a she
Now we know....
--Bobby Russell

275 srb1976  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:37:44am

Good morning everyone. It's saturday for most everyone else, but it's friday for me! Got fresh coffee and will be off work all next week....does it get any better than that? = )

276 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:38:43am

re: #273 littleoldlady

Every third word in Yiddish (Hebrew, French...and every 10th word in Hungarian, none of them clean!)

/sorry. foreign language impaired :-(

I got "Good God! What are we eating now!"

;-)

The literal meaning is, "God's Greetings. How y'all are?"

:)

277 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:39:35am

re: #276 Steffan

Not even close! LOL!

278 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:40:55am

re: #274 Steffan

Years and years ago, one of my moms friends asked if our dog was male or female. He was a short hair and was currently lying on his back. My dad just pointed and said "It's obvious". The friend turned bright red.

279 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:44:09am

re: #277 littleoldlady

Hey, that's what we were told when I was in Augsburg, and that's what the locals responded to.

If you have better information, I'd like to know it.

280 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:45:06am

The Hunting Dog
Chester and Earl are going hunting. Chester says to Earl, "I'll send my dog out to see if there are any ducks out in the pond. If there aren't any ducks out there, I'm not going hunting."

So he sends the dog out to the pond. The dog comes back and barks twice. Chester says, "Well I'm not going to go out. He only saw two ducks out there."

Earl says, "You're going to take the dog's barks for the truth?" Earl doesn't believe it, so he goes to look for himself. When he gets back he says, "I don't believe it where did you get that dog? There really are only two ducks out there!"

Chester says, "Well, I got him from the breeder up the road. If you want, you can get one from him, too."

So Earl goes to the breeder and says he wants a dog like the one his friend Chester has. The breeder obliges and Earl brings the dog home, tells it to go out and look for ducks. Minutes later the dog returns with a stick in it's mouth and starts humping Earl's leg.

Outraged, Earl takes the dog back to the breeder and says, "This dog is a fraud. I want my money back!"

The breeder asks Earl what the dog did. So Earl tells him that when he sent the dog out to look for ducks, it came back with a stick in its mouth and started humping his leg.

The breeder says, "Earl, all he was trying to tell you was that there are more f**king ducks out there than you can shake a stick at!"

281 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:47:52am

Love this site. An economist who gets it, and doesn't pull punches.

282 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:49:21am

re: #281 BlueCanuck

Love this site. An economist who gets it, and doesn't pull punches.

This is a gem. Thanks for the reference.

283 littleoldlady  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:49:58am

Steffan,

I meant I wasn't even close. ;-)
--------------------------------------

Raining AGAIN! :-( And the leaves are falling in order of color; first yellow, now orange, and the red next week.

There's a thunder storm 'a brewin'
And the day is turning gray
There ain't much to say about the weather
The shower stall is leakin'
And the ceiling's fallin' in
And I'm getting twenty bills to every letter

I've got to move myself out to the country
I'm lookin' out for any place at all
I'm gonna spend another fall in Philadelphia

A roving band of youths beat up on Johnny
Everybody's gettin' richer sellin' that dope
Say, the stolen bikes are gathering by the thousands
Along with seven million people without a hope

I guess I have to face the fact as real
I think I feel my back up against the wall
I'm gonna spend another fall in Philadelphia

--- Hall & Oates, Fall in Philadelphia, 1972

Of all the gazillion songs on YouTube, this one's not there. :-(

Substitute.

Good day, ALL!™

284 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:57:13am

re: #283 littleoldlady

Bye littleoldlady. See you tomorrow.

285 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 2:58:12am
286 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:08:21am

Good morning, y'all.

re: #242 DrCruel

So I hope this remains a twit zone for at least the near future.

Oh, as long as there are open registrations, it will... it will...

/did you mean to include another word there?

287 Steffan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:08:35am

re: #283 littleoldlady

Nyet problema.

Here, it's warm, dry, and windy.

Gonna be a not very entertaining weekend.

Friday night

Clear and windy. Low 48F. Winds NE at 20 to 30 mph. Stronger winds in and below canyons and passes.
Saturday

Sunny with gusty winds. High near 85F. Winds NE at 15 to 25 mph. Stronger winds in and below canyons and passes.
Saturday night

Clear skies. Low near 45F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Stronger winds in and below canyons and passes.
Sunday

Mainly sunny. Warm. High 82F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph.
Sunday

Sunshine. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the mid 40s.
Monday

Sunny. Highs in the mid 80s and lows in the mid 40s.

OTOH:

10-Day Forecast

High /Low (°F) Precip. %
Today
Nov 15 Sunny / Wind 85°/45° 0 %
Sun
Nov 16 Sunny / Wind 85°/45° 0 %
Mon
Nov 17 Sunny 85°/44° 0 %
Tue
Nov 18 Sunny 83°/43° 0 %
Wed
Nov 19 Sunny 80°/44° 10 %
Thu
Nov 20 Mostly Sunny 78°/42° 0 %
Fri
Nov 21 Mostly Sunny 76°/42° 10 %
Sat
Nov 22 Cloudy 73°/41° 0 %
Sun
Nov 23 Mostly Cloudy 72°/42° 10 %
Mon
Nov 24 AM Clouds / PM Sun 71°/41° 20

Seems the Old Farmer's Almanac and the Weather Channel agree.

Can't tell you how often that happens.....

I have no weather complaints. :)

The fun part is that at my sister's place in the central part of San Jacinto CA, the wind was strong enough to nearly sweep you off your feet -- strong gale force on the Beaufort scale. Half a mile south of that, there was a fitful breeze, hardly enough to notice. Near my place in Hemet, there was no breeze at all.

288 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:27:41am

re: #263 littleoldlady

Fenway! :-)

Sharmuta! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

Whatever you missed, I missed too.

YouTube's got me in its spell...

sniff...:*(

289 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:38:58am

It's dead Jim.

/got to go, see you folks later.

290 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:40:41am

Obama adulation around the world.
[Link: www.chinadaily.com.cn...]

Don't click if you have a weak stomach this early in the day.

291 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 3:43:30am

Good morning, people.

If cats could talk...........

I always wondered what they would SAY. I mean, what have they read? Where have they been?

We used to have a joke in our family that listening to Grandma was like listening the cat, if it could talk.

Coincidentally, my cat this morning issued THE MOST PERFECTLY ARTICULATED "meow" that I have ever heard not enunciated by a human. Just thought I'd mention that.

292 Dustyvet  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:01:40am

re: #291 nonic

Good morning, people.

If cats could talk...........

I always wondered what they would SAY. I mean, what have they read? Where have they been?

We used to have a joke in our family that listening to Grandma was like listening the cat, if it could talk.

Coincidentally, my cat this morning issued THE MOST PERFECTLY ARTICULATED "meow" that I have ever heard not enunciated by a human. Just thought I'd mention that.

Aww, the cat was just showing off...:)

293 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:01:51am

Well, I guess I should be grateful my CAT wants to talk to me.

I'll try ya'll another time -- when somebody's awake.

Bye.

294 nonic  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:03:46am

re: #292 Dustyvet

Oh! Lookee! There IS someone there!

Well, I'm gonna leave the party to you, anyway. (Clue: There's probably lots of fruitcup left.)

295 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:06:08am

re: #221 Outrider

that said, there is a point where someone is just being obtuse or is out to create friction.; in which point they are a liability and just drag things down.

Then, the author does have his own self interests. If racist or hateful stuff is routinely posted, the author gets a bad reputation and reputable people don't come to the site. It quickly turns into chaos, with no benefits derived from coming there.

You've just articulated the "broken windows" theory of policing that worked so well for NYC. But unlike Mayor Giuliani, our host has an understandably stronger concern that the community here reflects personally on him, especially where he's been vocal in criticizing others for their unsavory associations (i.e. Robert Spencer with European "blood and soil" nationalists, Barack 0bama with well... nearly everyone).

So far as I know, there's never been an occasion where he's felt the need to cloak a commenter with such an extensive history on the site before (usually it's just trolls with less than several dozen comments). But as jaunte alluded to, there's no reason to expect anyone to want to wade through that history separating the wheat from the chaff.

But there's another sort of cloaked history here to consider. Many (including myself) who've been participants here for a long time have no idea which commenters have said what on other sites, one, because we don't read those sites (for the very reasons you articulate above), and two, when the Big Lizard has chosen to give someone a second chance he's been discreet about it. Sometimes he'll post about stuff like that, more often not. No doubt there's a lot of behind the scenes drama and angst that only occasionally bubbles to the surface, and which would make LGF rather dull self-referential reading if it did so all the time. If our host talked about himself as much as Rush Limbaugh does (hi, Rush!), LGF would have a decidedly different tone, to be sure, and wouldn't be nearly so effective.

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:08:20am

re: #16 foxtrotter

You are correct, and now I am back to the non-braided Michelle Malkin.

So, Page, braids: Hot or not?

As long as they are attached to that head, with those brains, does not matter a bit.

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:11:33am

re: #295 Dar ul Harb

Hey Dar. How are ya?

298 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:14:43am

re: #289 BlueCanuck

It's dead Jim.

/got to go, see you folks later.

Well, you see, it's not really dead.

It's only mostly dead.

(Either that, or everyone was waiting for me to finish writing my, er... "Morning Update.")

299 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:16:16am

re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Dar. How are ya?

What, that wasn't enough verbiage for ya? ;)

300 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:16:31am

re: #298 Dar ul Harb

(Either that, or everyone was waiting for me to finish writing my, er... "Morning Update.")

Is that like SNL's Weekend Update only, you know, funny?

301 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:16:53am

See, now it's quiet while folks are reading...

302 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:18:25am

Thus demonstrating how difficult it is to do what Rush Limbaugh does without talking to about yourself.

303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:19:34am

re: #301 Dar ul Harb

See, now it's quiet while folks are reading...

C'mon Dar. Had to go to wiki and look up "broken windows" policy. Then, had to go to the comment you were referencing. Then moved to the one that that one referenced...etc.

Comments that aren't just little silly things (like the things that I post) slow down a busy thread. They downright paralyze a slow one.

304 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:21:15am

re: #303 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, at least you didn't go re-read the Shuttle Launch thread...

305 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:26:38am

Hi, and welcome to "Chilling Effects." I'm Dar ul Harb.

This morning's topic: does seeing others get the stick make normally verbose lizards hide under the covers, or talk about cats instead?

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:29:23am

re: #305 Dar ul Harb

I'm normally very verbose, outspoken, etc. People here are smarter than I am. I just make the smart ass comments, give few laughs, but learn a bunch.

Love it here. Even when there's just lil' ole you.

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:29:52am

BTW, Dar, your avatar looks like an anime girl in ponytails until you click it.

308 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:33:31am

re: #301 Dar ul Harb

Dar, my feet are wet to my knees, wading from #630 to about #900 on the Space Shuttle thread, and studying with Dew Diligence...

Didn't dew no good... I'd click a "Good soul? Are you insane? READ THIS!" link, and it would pull up a "Deleted Comment"...

But I'll take yr word and our gentle host's, inasmuch as the interpretation of Biblical prophecies in a materialistic way (see "Late, Great Planet Earth") has trivialized and marginalized so much of Christianity, that I remember being chided at times through my life, "Polite people NEVER discuss politics or RELIGION!"

309 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:34:35am

re: #308 Karridine

You can read the quote on the Jarrett thread.

310 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:34:45am

Meow

311 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:35:25am

re: #309 Sharmuta

Ah!

So... thankee kindly, M'um

312 The Other Les  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:38:15am

Obamalam, Day four.

Good Morning!

313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:39:33am

What quote is everybody referencing? When I say everybody, I mean both of you. Anyway, is it more the thirty words? Can't read many words my mind begins to wonder.

My Veterinarian said that my dog is a cat in a dogs body. Does that count as owning both?

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:40:45am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My mind also begins to wander.

Sheesh.

315 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:41:17am

re: #313 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A quote from song & dance man.

316 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:44:11am

re: #315 Sharmuta

Jarrett Thread, #113... S&D tries his hand at voodoo-fear-implant.

'Nuff said. That's prima facie evidence of some serious sociopathic traits...

317 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:44:42am

Good Morning Lizards!
What a glorious day..
How is everybody doing today?

318 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:45:43am

re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, Dar, your avatar looks like an anime girl in ponytails until you click it.

And yours looks like the Wells Fargo logo. So there.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:46:12am

re: #317 HoosierHoops

Where in the heck you been. Think we're here to entertain ourselves?

Dance hoop boy! Dance!

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:47:43am

re: #317 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
What a glorious day..
How is everybody doing today?

BTW, Hoosier. Love your avatar picture. Just beautiful. There is nothing prettier than the mountains of Indiana in the misty morning.

321 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:47:48am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where in the heck you been. Think we're here to entertain ourselves?

Dance hoop boy! Dance!

No just us lurkers FBV.

322 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:48:19am

re: #317 HoosierHoops
Woke up, found that I was still looking down at the grass, it's all good (and 60f with lots of sunshine). Good day for an airshow.

323 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:48:34am

re: #316 Karridine

All in all, a pretty..... interesting night last night.

324 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:48:54am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where in the heck you been. Think we're here to entertain ourselves?

Dance hoop boy! Dance!

Gak! just went back a thread to read anound song_dance_man..
what the hell is going on? freaky email he sent charles...

325 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:49:54am

re: #308 Karridine

I remember being chided at times through my life, "Polite people NEVER discuss politics or RELIGION!"

Did you ever get cautioned about putting "too much Baha'i" in your posts here?

326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:49:56am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

Will someone copy the damn thing and move it over here?! You know I can't make those stairs!

327 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:51:47am

re: #320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, Hoosier. Love your avatar picture. Just beautiful. There is nothing prettier than the mountains of Indiana in the misty morning.

LOL
I wish i had photoshop and could make an avatar..I don't do art..

328 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:52:00am

re: #324 HoosierHoops

Umm- there's more on the Shuttle thread.

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:54:07am

re: #327 HoosierHoops

LOL
I wish i had photoshop and could make an avatar..I don't do art..

Tshirt websites have some very funny things, sure you could find something at tshirthell.com, randomshirts.com, thoseshirts.com, etc.

But really. Indiana is known for it's mountainous regions, so, yours is fine, really.

330 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:54:32am

re: #328 Sharmuta

Umm- there's more on the Shuttle thread.

Guess I'll need to go look..It's like a train wreck..you got to watch.
good morning sharm..hope today finds you well

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:55:30am

re: #327 HoosierHoops

I used to go to/through Indiana often, would shock me when I'd see a mill or tall building from 5 or 6 miles away.

332 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:56:45am

This thread?
Not cats.
Catatonic.

333 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:57:00am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tshirt websites have some very funny things, sure you could find something at tshirthell.com, randomshirts.com, thoseshirts.com, etc.

But really. Indiana is known for it's mountainous regions, so, yours is fine, really.

LOL
ok wise guy..I grew up in Napa Valley, went to college there..moved to hawaii for 3 years..Now..do you want to know how the hell i ended up in the middle of a cornfield?
:)

334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:58:06am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

Did you hear that everybody!? Hoosier just called me wise!

335 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:58:28am

re: #333 HoosierHoops

LOL
ok wise guy..I grew up in Napa Valley, went to college there..moved to hawaii for 3 years..Now..do you want to know how the hell i ended up in the middle of a cornfield?
:)


Your weird kids made you move?

336 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:58:31am

Off to make pancakes for the little Harbs, and the lovely Mrs. Harb.

337 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 4:59:24am

re: #329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tshirt websites have some very funny things, sure you could find something at tshirthell.com, randomshirts.com, thoseshirts.com, etc.

But really. Indiana is known for it's mountainous regions, so, yours is fine, really.

uuuhhh thanks..you can just borrow art from web sites or do you have to pay?

338 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:00:24am

re: #335 Panhandler

Your weird kids made you move?

Do i talk about my kids too much?
LOL

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:00:47am

re: #337 HoosierHoops

"Borrowing" is very sincere form of flattery. I think Dali's "Columbus Discovers America" would be a very nice avatar.

340 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:02:17am

re: #325 Dar ul Harb

Did you ever get cautioned about putting "too much Baha'i" in your posts here?

No, I was warned not to 'proselytize', which I don't recall EVER having done, but okay, courtesy IS important to me and this IS Charles' blog, so I strive to meet Charles' standard of 'courteous', period. :D

341 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:03:13am

Good morning, Lizards.

342 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:03:17am

re: #338 HoosierHoops

Do i talk about my kids too much?
LOL

Your kids are, I'm sure, the very picture of grace and demeanor. The reference was a subliminal reaction to "cornfield = Children of the Corn"

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:04:10am

re: #341 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess!

344 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:05:01am

Goddesss! How goes the play? Got a spot for an underachieving but likeable grouch?

345 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:05:09am

re: #341 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards.

Good morning Goddess! How about a nice cup of sumatra? extra cream of course

346 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:08:52am

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Coffee, just coffee, sir. Saw an article yesterday on the 10 worst for you popular drinks. Starbucks made the list 3 times.

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:08:53am

re: #345 HoosierHoops

Whats the coffee that is filtered through cat "scat"? More appropriate for this thread, don't you think?

348 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:09:34am

{FBV}
{Panhandler}
{HoosierHoops}

What day brighteners!

The play is coming along, thanks. I'm going in this morning with my tech crew to finalize all the cues. Dress rehearsals start Monday, and the play is next Friday & Saturday.

349 Sharmuta  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:10:55am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom

Break a leg, goddess!

350 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:12:29am

Good Morning!

351 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:12:38am

re: #348 goddessoftheclassroom

I was the BMOC with the theater geeks in High School.

352 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:13:03am

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

353 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:13:56am

And since Daylight Slaying Time puts me 15 hours ahead of most of y'all, its 8:15 here in dark, suburban, jasmine-scented Saturday-night, Bangkok...

Dew Diligence has left me lymph weak at the knees, and I've only ONE Saturday a week, so I bid y'all fond adieu, parting my hair is such sweet sorrow... I've got a point there...

/when I comb it right, it doesn't show... :D

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:14:08am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

I think part of it is that nature did not truly intend for people to live in parts of CA.

355 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:14:18am

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whats the coffee that is filtered through cat "scat"? More appropriate for this thread, don't you think?

mmm i don't know...You know what i like about you? (song title)
Iknow you eat healthy..and i'm a nut case about food..I blame my folks..
No sugar, salt, fat. pork..ect..i could go on...
you are what you eat...
BTW..I'm hoping things pick up for you...

356 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:16:20am

{Sharmuta}
{shay41)

FBV--after I graduated from college, I planned to go to the University of London and earn a masters in acting. That summer, I was offered a teaching job. A classic crossroads. I chose the road not just more traveled but paved, lighted, and with comfort stops. That has made all the difference.

357 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:16:28am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Stupid, and misled by decades of idealistic fairy-tales about Gaia...

/perfect storm coming, with the convergence of a wave of Global Warming hitting a tsunami of Tsocialism and an earthquake of moral equivalence!

358 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:18:27am

re: #350 shay4l

Good Morning!

Back atcha

359 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:19:48am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

Yes, some of it is being caused by enviro whacko thinking. Controlled burns sometimes stop being controlled all on their own, and so would probably not be used in populated areas, but they could use them in other areas, but in response to environmental concerns, they don't use them as much as they could.

Fire is a natural forest "cleaning" process to get rid of all the stuff that's fallen and died. If you don't want these kinds of fires, you've gotta clear the forest some other way. But many environmental folks don't like that idea.

360 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:19:51am

re: #344 Panhandler

Goddesss! How goes the play? Got a spot for an underachieving but likeable grouch?

My wife calls me "Curmudgeon" on her online diary. We'd have to compete for that role.

361 akak  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:20:00am

re: #346 Panhandler

Coffee, just coffee, sir. Saw an article yesterday on the 10 worst for you popular drinks. Starbucks made the list 3 times.

Starbucks losing lotsa stockbucks, what a shame. I'd rather drink 5 hour old office coffee made by a secretary that doesn't drink coffee.

362 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:20:32am

re: #357 Karridine

Stupid, and misled by decades of idealistic fairy-tales about Gaia...
/perfect storm coming, with the convergence of a wave of Global Warming hitting a tsunami of Tsocialism and an earthquake of moral equivalence!

I'm watching CNN and it's a scene right out of Dante's Inferno - just like the last one, and the one before that....
Sheer idiocy.

363 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:22:19am

re: #358 Panhandler

Back atcha

I was so sure! that link would be to the Beatles- Good Morning Good Morning

364 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:22:31am

re: #359 reine.de.tout

The forest fires that burn 4-8 inches of twigs and underbrush are qualitatively different than the fires that burn 24-36 inches of accumulated debris, which then ignites the 15-25 year TREES and starts an explosively treacherous fire!

365 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:22:55am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

Being one that was born and raised in California...
It is a very complex issue...Listen you don't burn down part of napa to try to save it..As a lad living on atlas peak road in Napa...just off the trail for you locals..who knew in '74 some wierdo would set the mountain on fire on purpose?
My first experience with Man causing pain, death and destruction..

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:23:04am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

Got into a show (local/professional) right out of high school. Was going to be the next Gordon MacRae (my style/voice was/is similar). Found out that my talent while comparable to the NY cast that was with me, was not any better.

Then looked around and realized that this NY cast was starving, and began thinking of a job where I could get fat. (I was also an 18 year old homophobe in a cast with 25 men, two of which were straight. I was one of them).

367 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:23:14am

re: #364 Karridine

The forest fires that burn 4-8 inches of twigs and underbrush are qualitatively different than the fires that burn 24-36 inches of accumulated debris, which then ignites the 15-25 year TREES and starts an explosively treacherous fire!

good explanation, thanks

368 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:24:01am

re: #363 shay4l

I was so sure! that link would be to the Beatles- Good Morning Good Morning

Some people realize that there was indeed music being written and performed before the Beatles, they are dwindling in number though.

369 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:24:10am

re: #362 Spare O'Lake

I fear, Spare, we are in for a period where 'Sheer Idiocy' is the Order of the Day!

/not funning, not joking... dang

370 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:24:12am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}
{shay41)

FBV--after I graduated from college, I planned to go to the University of London and earn a masters in acting. That summer, I was offered a teaching job. A classic crossroads. I chose the road not just more traveled but paved, lighted, and with comfort stops. That has made all the difference.

But...you ended up a goddess

371 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:25:37am

re: #364 Karridine

The forest fires that burn 4-8 inches of twigs and underbrush are qualitatively different than the fires that burn 24-36 inches of accumulated debris, which then ignites the 15-25 year TREES and starts an explosively treacherous fire!

That makes too much sense. The lefties would never go for it.

372 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:26:01am

re: #365 HoosierHoops

Hoops, my family used to live at the Home in Yountville... we dug up Civil War clay pipes and glass bedpans and ink-bottles...

373 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:06am

re: #371 shay4l

That makes too much sense. The lefties would never go for it.

Laughing, tearfully, at the painful truth of what you say, Shay!

374 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:19am

re: #370 shay4l

But...you ended up a goddess

That is so dear!

I have no regrets--I know that teaching is what I was meant to do.

375 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:51am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I gots to know, I just gots to know - When a prospective employer asks you for your CV, do you just write down "Chubby Vegan" or do you "pad" it a bit?

376 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:27:53am

re: #372 Karridine

glass bedpans

Yoiks...sounds kinda risky! LOLOL.

377 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:30:58am

re: #368 Panhandler

Some people realize that there was indeed music being written and performed before the Beatles, they are dwindling in number though.

It's only natural. I've heard the Beatles song hundreds of times and only watched Singin in the Rain maybe 3 times.

In my defense, I actually do realize there were people making "music" before the Beatles. (Some of them may actually have been as good, but I'm not sure.) John Lennon did not put strings on a piece of wood and create the guitar, after all.

378 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:31:50am

re: #372 Karridine

Hoops, my family used to live at the Home in Yountville... we dug up Civil War clay pipes and glass bedpans and ink-bottles...

OMG...I grew up exactly 1.5 miles from the home..( trust me..it was 1.5 miles)
I used to hang around that place as a kid just to hear all the war stories..
Those old f*cks probably influenced my life more than anyone else in my life.
A few of them even came and saw me play in high school..
I could tell you stories all day long about the home...

379 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:32:00am

re: #375 Panhandler

If I had a CV, it'd be padded.

380 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:33:49am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

Good morning, Lizards.

The answer is, "generally, yes". Ecology groups oppose clear-cutting and cleaning up thrash (the forester's term for fallen limbs, etc.) because they believe it (a) encourages logging, which they oppose and (b) changes the "natural environment". Well, yes, it does (b), but it also (c) reduces the potential for catastrophic wildfires like this, especially in areas with the sort of hot, dry climate which encourages them- like southern California. (Trivia fact; the overwhelming majority of such fires are weather related, usually started by lightning strikes. Nothing sets dried thrash off faster than several megavolts of DC electricity heating it to over 1000 degrees Centigrade in an eyeblink.)

Environmentalists of the political type value "wildness" above all else. If you tell them that cleaning up the forest bed will prevent fires, they accuse you of trying to "civilize" the forest primeval. If you try to cut fire roads, you will be hit with a court order preventing you from "encouraging logging".

And if you point out that wildfires destroy peoples' homes, they will retort that "they had no business building them there, anyway."

The modern environmentalist movement has strayed far from the days of Theodore Roosevelt and Ernest Thompson Seton. It is now more inclined toward the mystical views of Henry David Thoreau and John Muir. Both of whom had a low opinion of humanity and wished fervently for a "return to the wild"- while living comfortably in the bosom of the Victorian society they affected to despise. When Thoreau wrote On Walden Pond, in which he rails against "Man's civilization", he neglected to mention that he was living about a mile from the city limits and had the local grocery delivering three days a week, and the milkman coming by every day.

Modern environmentalists want all their comforts, but expect civilization to deliver them out of nowhere. I suppose they think food, clothing, etc., should come out of a Star Trek; The Next Generation-style fabricator widget that works on transporter technology. (But since they also oppose any power source but Wind and Sun, what will they power it with?)

Their hypocrisy is only exceeded by their ignorance- and their utter and complete contempt for the rest of humanity.

/just IMHO

cheers

eon

381 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:34:24am

OK, I've got to get ready to go to the school. Take care!

382 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:35:36am

re: #374 goddessoftheclassroom

That is so dear!

I have no regrets--I know that teaching is what I was meant to do.

After much painful experience, I am willing to admit under torture that waking up every day of your life to go do something you love is far superior to doing something that merely makes you piles of $$.


A very neat trick is to figure out how to combine the two.

383 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #377 shay4l

I was lurking on the NASA thread when the implosion started, to calm my soul and retain a sense of oneness, I keyed up Mr. Gluck

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:36:46am

re: #380 eon

(the greenies)
Moved to paradise
Put up a parking lot...

385 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:36:51am

re: #356 goddessoftheclassroom

{Sharmuta}
{shay41)

FBV--after I graduated from college, I planned to go to the University of London and earn a masters in acting. That summer, I was offered a teaching job. A classic crossroads. I chose the road not just more traveled but paved, lighted, and with comfort stops. That has made all the difference.

If you think teaching was such an easy road the it is most definitely you're calling. Thank you for your service, wish we had more like you.

Real Rancher

386 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:37:22am

re: #376 Spare O'Lake

Not really.... they were flat, thick and safe, quite!

387 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:37:41am

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
When are Californians finally going to clean up all the dead wood or start a program of controlled fires or do whatever else is necessary to eliminate or at least reduce these constant brush fires in California?
Are they stupid, or crazy, or what?
Is any of this being caused by environmental whacko thinking?

We have the same problem in Australia. We have regular burn-offs in the winter months. But unlike the US wildfires in Australia have been a natural and man-made for the last 60,000 years. Fire was used by the aboriginals for clearing land for hunter-gathering practices.
The environmentalists are crazy to ignore this fact in Australia.

388 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:38:53am

re: #383 Panhandler

Hiya panhandler..
So would you mind giving us an overview of what happened?
I read the email song and dance man sent to charles..totally creepy wierd..
But i understand there is more..
do tell!

389 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:39:01am

re: #384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(the greenies)
Moved to paradise
Put up a parking lot...

And then they complained when people used it, too!

(I've spent the last couple of decades being alternately amused and horrified by the disconnects in logic amongst the "ecos"- including a few I'm related to.)

cheers

eon

390 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:40:07am

re: #378 HoosierHoops

I could tell you stories all day long about the home...

As could I, Hoopster, but this is not the place for it...

My nic's blue... email me if the urge underwhelms you, if not, we'll just savor those days separately.... Those were some good old, bad old days.... :D

391 rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:41:28am

Morning all. Ruslter here hows everyone doing today.

/white smoke


Oh crap that was CS I'm outtie

392 Tigger2005  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:41:38am

Bill O'Reilly stands up for Sarah Palin:

[Link: townhall.com...]

393 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:43:05am

re: #391 rancher

Morning all. Ruslter here hows everyone doing today.

/white smoke


Oh crap that was CS I'm outtie

Still can't find that open registration?
Charles should open it up just you

394 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:46:48am

Don't it always seem to go
You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone,
They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot

It is a great song - Joni!

395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:46:50am

re: #389 eon

They called it paradise, I don't know why
You call some place "paradise"- kiss it goodbye...

-Eagles, The Last Resort

396 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:47:13am

re: #388 HoosierHoops

Some how a reference to S&DM came up and Charles said he's banned so let it lie. Mama Winger and RTLM chimed in and said they liked S&DM, that he had been an interesting sort. Charles asked "Are you nuts? Didn't you read a lot of his posts?" RTLM and Mama Winger replied "Yeah,but" MW and RTLM said they were happy to converse with S&DM on other sites. Charles said fine, feel free to do just that, because you're not posting on this site anymore.

397 3 wood  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:48:34am

Bush Backs Plan to Release $25B Loan to Automakers

The White House on Friday threw its support behind a plan to speed release of $25 billion in existing loans to the Big Three automakers but rejected a Democratic proposal to use money from a financial bailout to help the troubled industry.

The $700 billion financial rescue package was never intended to help automakers and shouldn't be now, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told The Associated Press. But since Democratic leaders in Congress are pressing forward with a proposal to carve out a piece of its for the auto industry, she said the White House has decided to pursue a different approach: accelerating the availability of federal loans Congress first approved in September.

Those loans were approved to help automakers build more fuel-efficient vehicles and become more competitive companies in the global marketplace. The administration now supports allowing the loans to be released more quickly than the original legislation prescribed and to be used for more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat.

"Democrats are choosing a path that would only lead to partisan gridlock," she said. "We are now actively calling on Congress to amend the loan program."


This is a big mistake.

They are calling them 'loans" now, but you watch. After Obama takes office these will quietly be changed to be gifts.

And then we will be subsidizing the auto industry ongoing.

The auto makers will have no reason to change and provide a more competitive product. And what we will have done is hooked the auto workers union up to the taxpayer checkbook.

398 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:49:48am

Look at this bullsh*t from Obama big shot Robert Reich, the economist. He wants the government to have utter control to manage the failure of GM. The last thing in the world he wants is for the procedure to go through bankruptcy in a normal way. No, that would protect GM from government meddling. He wants the government to manage it.

The headline sounds like he wants to tough it out with the union to get them to take the painful wage cuts the market unfortunately requires. But that's not what he really wants. He really wants to play political games to allow the union to maintain supremacy, under government supervision, in telling GM how to function.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Obama Adviser Says Auto Workers Should Take Pay Cuts in Bailout


Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- An economic adviser to President- elect Barack Obama advocates wage and benefit cuts for auto industry workers and executives as part of any government bailout of the industry.

``In exchange for government aid, the Big Three's creditors, shareholders and executives should be required to accept losses as large as they'd endure under Chapter 11'' bankruptcy protection, economist and Obama adviser Robert Reich wrote on his Web site this week. ``And the UAW should agree to some across- the-board wage and benefit cuts,'' he added, referring to the United Auto Workers union.

Major auto-parts suppliers also should eventually adhere to the same conditions, wrote Reich, a former labor secretary under President Bill Clinton.

He wants to tell shareholders and executives what to do. He wants to extend government dictate beyond GM to the parts suppliers. He wants to put major elements of the economy under government control.

He wants to rule.

399 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:50:08am

re: #396 Panhandler

Mama Winger's gone?

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

Real Rancher

400 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:50:12am

re: #380 eon

Yes

401 eon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:50:38am

re: #392 Tigger2005

Bill O'Reilly stands up for Sarah Palin:

[Link: townhall.com...]

Interesting. I tend to believe that some of the more "we're running this party and don't you forget it" older GOP leaders are out to slam the Sarahcuda for the same reason that The Exalted One is trying to sweet-talk Hillary into being his SecState- neither bunch of so-called "leaders" wants to face either one as a "dark horse" running for their party's Presidential nomination in 2012. Therefore, they are all trying to neutralize both of them now.

Of course, if both of them spend the next couple of years in building their own coalitions within their respective parties (as the Sarahcuda has already shown she can do in Alaska with nothing but a phone, a PC, and a yellow legal pad plus a pencil), those "Fearless Leaders" might get an unpleasant shock they're not prepared for- in 2010.


/Like finding out that they no longer control their party caucuses.

cheers

eon

402 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:53:34am

re: #387 Crux Australis

We have the same problem in Australia. We have regular burn-offs in the winter months. But unlike the US wildfires in Australia have been a natural and man-made for the last 60,000 years. Fire was used by the aboriginals for clearing land for hunter-gathering practices.
The environmentalists are crazy to ignore this fact in Australia.

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

403 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:53:51am

re: #396 Panhandler

Thank you..
I had no idea...

404 christheprofessor  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:05am

Obama throws his white grandmother under the bus again:

The event is being put on by friends of Dunham and the Obama family, although family members themselves are not expected to attend.

What a piece of work. I cannot believe so many gullible people voted for that cold-hearted bastard.

405 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:22am

I think the media is building up Sarah Palin for another run because they think they can knock her down again if she gets the nomination. They think they have her number.

406 Panhandler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:25am

re: #399 Rancher

I think I've figured it out. Real Rancher posts while wearing a pair of Levis' the other one wears Wranglers. Close?

407 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:54:31am

re: #397 3 wood

Bush Backs Plan to Release $25B Loan to Automakers
They are calling them 'loans" now, but you watch. After ABM takes office these will quietly be changed to be gifts.

Since it doesn't address the problem, labor costs almost double what Toyota and others pay, then they won't be able to pay back the loans. Sorry to see Bush go down this road, but fiscally Bush has been a disaster for the GOP for eight years.

408 HoosierHoops  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:55:30am

re: #402 aussiemagpie

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

Good day aussie! Coffee?

409 shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:55:34am

re: #396 Panhandler

I've seen the owner in various moods, but, I've noticed, once he's made a decision and announced it publicly, further complaints really rub his scales the wrong way.

Regulars should know when to let things be.

410 Erik The Red  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:55:35am

re: #402 aussiemagpie

Hello Crux, we're waiting for the rugby to start - except the mad rugby fan of the household is snoring on the couch!

Do you read Andrew Bolt's blog?

I am also waiting for the SA vs Scotland game. Pity they are playing the same time as you. Would like to see you kick the poms ass good and make them soft for us next week.

411 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:56:14am

re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Paradise? Mister Peabody's coal-trains done hauled it away...
John Prine

412 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:56:15am

re: #404 christheprofessor

Obama throws his white grandmother under the bus again:

What a piece of work. I cannot believe so many gullible people voted for that cold-hearted bastard.

Why isn't Obama attending?

413 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:56:46am

re: #401 eon

Interesting. I tend to believe that some of the more "we're running this party and don't you forget it" older GOP leaders are out to slam the Sarahcuda for the same reason that The Exalted One is trying to sweet-talk Hillary into being his SecState- neither bunch of so-called "leaders" wants to face either one as a "dark horse" running for their party's Presidential nomination in 2012. Therefore, they are all trying to neutralize both of them now.

Of course, if both of them spend the next couple of years in building their own coalitions within their respective parties (as the Sarahcuda has already shown she can do in Alaska with nothing but a phone, a PC, and a yellow legal pad plus a pencil), those "Fearless Leaders" might get an unpleasant shock they're not prepared for- in 2010.


/Like finding out that they no longer control their party caucuses.

cheers

eon

I sure agree with you, eon. BOTH parties are scared to death of her.
I am totally pulling for SarahCuda...Lets really get some new faces, old conservatism back in DC.

414 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:57:37am

re: #405 Luigi

I think the media is building up Sarah Palin for another run because they think they can knock her down again if she gets the nomination. They think they have her number.

um...just who is building her up?

415 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:58:57am

Rancher -- I just gave you a star. The labor costs for GM is something like $73/hr versus about $48/hr for Toyota's American workers. That puts GM in an impossible condition.

I'm not certain about this, but I think the union has been able to muscle its way into the board room too, and has a voice in corporate decisions.

416 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 5:59:57am

re: #398 Luigi

Look at this bullsh*t from Obama big shot Robert Reich, the economist.

Robert Reich, a big shot?

/ba-da-bing!

But seriously, folks. The 0bama administration is turning out to be less Change, and more Clinton re-treads.

He'd have probably gotten more Carter Administration officials too, if they weren't mostly dead.

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:01:17am

re: #415 Luigi

I understand that GM loses a grand for every car they sell. Up until now that have made it up in volume? WTF? I'm not an economist, but...

418 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:01:50am

re: #412 reine.de.tout

Why isn't Obama attending?

He's afraid of something. Afraid to run into some one he doesn't want the press to make a connection to, afraid some one will say something in public that the press will pick up on, for some reason, he wants to say away from a public event where he does not have as much control over the people or proceedings.

If he's not there, there is less chance of having massive press coverage.

419 Luigi  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:02:10am

re: #414 Wishing

um...just who is building her up?

The whole tone of her coverage has shifted 180 since the election...

[Link: news.google.com...]

420 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:02:52am

re: #397 3 wood
I have always bought American made cars, even when I actually liked some of the imports better.
If they bail them out, I will never buy another American car. Those assembly line workers make between $58.00 and $78.00 an hour and their jobs are guaranteed till they retire.
I am lucky to make half that and worry about getting canned every day.
We are getting so screwed.

421 LoFlyer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:05:31am

Morning mates! Did Mama get the ban-stick last night? She must of really pissed off Charles!

422 aussiemagpie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:06:02am

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Good day aussie! Coffee?

G'day HH!
Being an all day coffee drinker I never say no to a coffee :-)

Need it now to stay wide awake to watch the rugby - Aussies v England which starts right now