It’s no excuse, but it should be pointed out that the media simply don’t report the hatred coming from the left; violent imagery and extreme hatred like this.

But, but, but... that's just freedom of speech.
/

I call BS. So now he is gonna play the victim card? Blah.

One of the defendants in the case in Tennessee has asked for the indictment to be dismissed because only two people on the grand jury were white.

We should all pray for his safety. We should pray for the brave men and women of the Secret Service who risk their lives to keep him and his family safe.
We should disagree with his policy, but respect the office he holds. We should root for America, unlike the Loony left.

If any crazy person harms him, I dread what would happen in this country.
Race relations would be broken and I fear not repaired in our lifetime.

The Left and MSM polarized things so much as to make me wonder if they explicitly wanted a climate where repression becomes the norm.

law enforcement officials have seen more potentially threatening writings, Internet postings and other activity directed at Obama than has been seen with any past president-elect,

This is why we don't behave like koslings, folks.

May the Secret Service have success protecting everyone. Even the idiots.

Amazing how the threats against Bush were accepted as being normal by so many people.

re: #6 Sharmuta

This is why we don't behave like koslings, folks.

Right. Yet we seem to have an occasional Lizard, even long term Lizards who don't seem to think that violent statements are in any way out of line here.

Several betting outlets of which I am aware are also delaying payouts on the election result until Obama is inaugurated, on the grounds that he may be assassinated. This is the first time I've encountered it (to be fair I'm only the lawyer sending a letter of demand in this thing), although I've discovered that there have been similar delays with one or two other presidents, including Bush in 2000.

Most unpleasant.

I'd call BS
BUT
the KKK wanted him elected
so they could recruit more

then again, they are a tiny fraction of Americana

and the Huffpo, DKos, Dunderground crowd is WAY MORE numerous and violent

add in veterans for peace, code pink, academia, etc....
and you have some seriously disturbed people to look out for no matter your persuasion

The Secret Service would not comment or provide the number of cases they are investigating.

I think this is the wrong way to go. I think they should publicize each and every instance to show how vigilant they are, how even 2 whack-jobs plotting amongst themselves will be caught, tried, convicted and punished. It won't stop every othre whack job from trying, but I'll bet it will make many re-think it.

That is some disturbing stuff. 2000 new stormfront members? Sad and scary.

re: #3 MandyManners

A Crockett County man charged with plotting to kill President-elect Barack Obama in a crime spree wants to have his indictment dismissed because the federal grand jury did not contain enough white members.

SNIP

Cowart's attorney, Joe H. Byrd Jr., filed a petition Thursday arguing that since the 23-member grand jury that indicted Cowart had just two white members, it could not have been fair and impartial. The remaining 21 members were African American or were "of another race or races," the petition states.

In the 13-page motion and an additional 13-page memorandum, Byrd asks that the indictment be dismissed, that the court conduct an in-camera review of the grand jury testimony to determine the potential partiality or prejudice of the jurors and that the court designate an independent commissioner to interview the 23 jurors to see if individual jurors were partial or prejudiced.

SNIP

I wonder how many of these will end up being the product of someone wanting to "create a reaction", like this guy.

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

Right. Yet we seem to have an occasional Lizard, even long term Lizards who don't seem to think that violent statements are in any way out of line here.

Occasional is the operative word here, unlike a lot of Leftoid sites where violence is the norm.

Not to diminish the serious of the subject, but I wonder if Joe the Plumber asking a tough question is categorized as a "threat?

Not to mention the LLL's attempts to make "citizen's arrests" of Bush and others. Could you imagine if someone tried that on Obama?

The campaign and election have set what used to be called 'race relations' back 40 years. It's all about the attitude, imo.

The threats, tho, are more about policy than skin color (again, imho).

Well Jessie did want to cut his nuts off.

re: #2 UberInfidel67

I call BS. So now he is gonna play the victim card? Blah.

Not that it means beans but I can and do attest, through a close source, that the story is being accurately reported.

re: #17 jcm

Not to diminish the serious of the subject, but I wonder if Joe the Plumber asking a tough question is categorized as a "threat?

By the media reaction and the governmental proctology exam the man underwent I would have to say, "well, DUH!"

Safety for our leaders is a major priority in my book.

Would someone "waterboard" a suspect who was in an attack on the President Elect? I would.

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Left and MSM polarized things so much as to make me wonder if they explicitly wanted a climate where repression becomes the norm.

It would play to their advantage. The left has been saying that the right has use the WOT as a device to keep us in a perpetual war (ala Eastasia versus Eurasia, 1984), yet the left has used manufactured racism, fear of global/big business and fear of separate social classes as a wedge to drive their agendas.

Don't recall the msm running stories about the Bush assassination books and movies.

One of the most popular white supremacist Web sites got more than 2,000 new members the day after the election, compared with 91 new members on Election Day, according to an AP count. The site, stormfront.org, was temporarily off-line Nov. 5 because of the overwhelming amount of activity it received after Election Day. On Saturday, one Stormfront poster, identified as Dalderian Germanicus, of North Las Vegas, said, "I want the SOB laid out in a box to see how 'messiahs' come to rest. God has abandoned us, this country is doomed."

And these guys are huge fans of vlaams belang.

re: #19 ctrlL

The threats, tho, are more about policy than skin color

Those worried about policy would tend to be more rational. The racists are more dangerous because they're prone to extreme action.

But how many threats against Obama are coming from the left?

As in the French Revolution, The Terror comes from the left, even against the left. Bill Ayers is probably on the watch list again and tickled pink about it, so to speak.

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Safety for our leaders is a major priority in my book.

Would someone "waterboard" a suspect who was in an attack on the President Elect? I would.

I'd skip the water and just whack him over the head with the board!

Anyone supporting conservative principles - "right-wing" principles, should recognize that at this point, we need Obama like we need a vaccination. The left can now demonstrate to all Americans what they can do to a bowling ball. If harm comes to him - THE LEFT GETS A BLANK CHECK! I made that large so the loons can see it. I think Obama is in much greater danger from the extreme left rather than really stupid "right-wingers."

This story is absolutely NOT BS.

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Safety for our leaders is a major priority in my book.

Would someone "waterboard" a suspect who was in an attack on the President Elect? I would.

I'd go straight to finger nails, I wouldn't ask politely with a little water in the face.....
//

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

It would play to their advantage. The left has been saying that the right has use the WOT as a device to keep us in a perpetual war (ala Eastasia versus Eurasia, 1984), yet the left has used manufactured racism, fear of global/big business and fear of separate social classes as a wedge to drive their agendas.

I know it would play to their advantage, hence the reason I think it is deliberate on the part of at least some power brokers.

I don't excuse those inflammatory postings and if there is a real threat these unhinged individuals should be appropriately prosecuted. However, we have never had a president elect who palled around with the most anti american scum of society and with unrepentent terrorists. Had the traitorous and treachorous Jean Fraude Carrie become president elect I believe a similar amount vituperation would have accompanied his election
but it may also be that that for some unstable individuals, Obama's virulent liberalism/socialism combined with Obama's racial profile is too much for them to bear. Again no excuse for any threats or attempts at violence against Obama, that would be heinous.

re: #26 Sharmuta

LGF2 posted a thread the other day hoping Obama would be assassinated before the inauguration.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

LGF2 posted a thread the other day hoping Obama would be assassinated before the inauguration.

GGGAAAHHHH ,,,, from a former poster here ?

re: #35 Killgore Trout

WHAT?

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Nice friends robert has.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

LGF2 posted a thread the other day hoping Obama would be assassinated before the inauguration.

LGF2 ? ? ?

re: #36 sattv4u2

yup.

I have no love for Obama but he is the President-elect of this country. Anyone making threats against him and even more so threats against his family, put them right up to the wall and shoot them.

Barack Obama is a tax. He is the stupidity tax that we will have to pay for not being a wiser nation. We let this cad lie his way into office and it is our own faults. The principles this nation stands for requires us to be willing to lay down our very lives to protect him. Having said I would do so unhappily for even Carter, so I would for Obama. To do less is to not love this country the way you should. How can you ask Americans to respect our government if we are not each willing to do this? How can you ask people who you do not agree with to accept when your side wins if you cannot abide when your side loses?

This is Edmund Burke/John Wayne 101 and we should not tolerate anyone making threats against any first family member past or present.

re: #26 Sharmuta

And these guys are huge fans of vlaams belang.

It's ok. According to Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch...

"Actually, I am fighting jihad, and have no interest in or intention to investigate these groups. Insofar as they are fighting jihad, I applaud them. Insofar as they are doing anything else, my endorsement is not implied." Email from Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch sent Sat 11/8/2008 10:39 AM.

re: #25 newsjunkie_ky

Don't recall the msm running stories about the Bush assassination books and movies.

When they did there was no condemnation of such stuff. It was treated as being the only correct and proper way to act and react.

re: #39 Adrenalyn

It's a stalker site.

re: #21 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Not that it means beans but I can and do attest, through a close source, that the story is being accurately reported.

I have no doubt that this is accurate. Whether I agree with Obama or not, the safety and security of the elected leaders of our country is of utmost importance, and these threats should be prosecuted fully.

re: #35 Killgore Trout

LGF2 posted a thread the other day hoping Obama would be assassinated before the inauguration.

Isn't Spenser now one of their buddies?

re: #39 Adrenalyn

LGF2 ? ? ?

Check it out when you have a moment and want a really good chuckle.

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

I'm going to ding you every time you post that.

re: #40 Killgore Trout

yup.

Geez Louise. He/She should have his/her internet privilage taken away for life

re: #33 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know it would play to their advantage, hence the reason I think it is deliberate on the part of at least some power brokers.

And I was backing up your point. Agreed.

I think saying " but but but the MSM ignored the threats against Bush" is the wrong way to go here.

We are better than they are. We ought to have higher standards. We are not the scum of the left

Threats against any American president are wrong. Democrat, republican, white , blackm man, woman. Wrong is wrong.
Consistency give us credibility

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

Right. Yet we seem to have an occasional Lizard, even long term Lizards who don't seem to think that violent statements are in any way out of line here.

And by the way, just to make something very clear, anyone who even hints at supporting or enabling this kind of behavior is going to lose their LGF account. You may think you're anonymous here, but if I get a call from the Secret Service about a comment posted at LGF (which I have not, to date) I will absolutely cooperate with them fully and give them everything they need to get in touch with you. And I won't even think twice about it.

Mike raises an interesting point, did any secret service visit Jesse Jackson after those comments?

people posting retarded things they'll never do on the internet? oh no

I'm not buying it. These people think Obama is sooooo special, so it's like the story of the princess and the pea. Now, to be sure, anyone who does threaten Obama is a moron, but I just have my doubts about the hype.

re: #25 newsjunkie_ky

Don't recall the msm running stories about the Bush assassination books and movies.

Damn - we don't have cog to kick around anymore.

re: #3 MandyManners

One of the defendants in the case in Tennessee has asked for the indictment to be dismissed because only two people on the grand jury were white.

The difference between a member of the Weather Underground and a Neonazi is the haircut. They are both anti-human trash with delusions of superior being status.

yep. & how many unhinged leftists have threatened W?

I suspect just as many if not more. But - None of those threats were ever reproted by our biased hack media.

It's not hard to imagine that some lefty types would welcome an Obama assassination. The chaos it would bring, a la the Cloward-Piven strategy, could be just the ticket to vault a new regime, possibly involving the UN or other foreign powers, into power. Maybe the plan all along was for Obama to be a martyr. I know this is tin-foil hat material, and not likely, but I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility.

re: #52 Charles

And by the way, just to make something very clear, anyone who even hints at supporting or enabling this kind of behavior is going to lose their LGF account. You may think you're anonymous here, but if I get a call from the Secret Service about a comment posted at LGF (which I have not, to date) I will absolutely cooperate with them fully and give them everything they need to get in touch with you. And I won't even think twice about it.

As you should.

I hope Obama has the most successful Presidency in the history of the United States. I wish the Secret Service total success.

re: #45 reine.de.tout

I have no doubt that this is accurate. Whether I agree with Obama or not, the safety and security of the elected leaders of our country is of utmost importance, and these threats should be prosecuted fully.

...and as quickly as possible.

Quicker if its impossible.

re: #57 The Other Les

The difference between a member of the Weather Underground and a Neonazi is the haircut. They are both anti-human trash with delusions of superior being status.

Nazis were left wing. Somehow leftists have been able to label them otherwise, but they were big time socialists and collectivists.

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

Egads! And he has the temerity to say Charles has lost it? The enemy of my enemy could still be MY enemy, so snuggling up may just be the easiest way to get stabbed in the back.

reported

re: #46 MandyManners

It's very fitting that their wish that Obama be assassinated was in a post defending Spencer and Vlaams Belang.

I wonder what the threshold for threatening is this election?

And exactly how many more 3 more or 300?

re: #54 SpaceJesus

people posting retarded things they'll never do on the internet? oh no

It's not a fucking joke. As much as I despise CBBHO, he will be our president.

re: #48 Sharmuta

I'm going to ding you every time you post that.

And I'm going to post it every time I find it appropriate to use it as an answer to a comment. Wee...

Spencer fuck'd up royally when he composed that email message to me. And it's not out of context, it is plain and simple.

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope Obama has the most successful Presidency in the history of the United States. I wish the Secret Service total success.

It's not logical. What he wants to do will be harmful to the country. The law of causality dictates this.

re: #52 Charles

So, you are saying you will not support treason. Hang 'em high!

re: #55 Archimedes

I'm not buying it. These people think Obama is sooooo special, so it's like the story of the princess and the pea. Now, to be sure, anyone who does threaten Obama is a moron, but I just have my doubts about the hype.

This is NOT hype. It's very easy to find this kind of stuff on the web.

re: #39 Adrenalyn

LGF2 ? ? ?

I dunno, I think it has something to do with exposure to blue kryptonite.

I'm going to wait until they at least get into double-digits, and then sell.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

It's very fitting that their wish that Obama be assassinated was in a post defending Spencer and Vlaams Belang.

Did anyone notify the Secret Service?

re: #8 FurryOldGuyJeans

Amazing how the threats against Bush were accepted as being normal by so many people.

Marxism in action.

In every case on both sides one is looking at an individual who believes himself to superior in some respect to the mere mortal and thus exempt from the rules of civilized behavior. Marxists are especially funny that way.

re: #57 The Other Les

The difference between a member of the Weather Underground and a Neonazi is the haircut. They are both anti-human trash with delusions of superior being status.

Assholes are assholes.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Is it still posted?

re: #74 MandyManners

It's not worth it. It wasn't a serious threat and the Secret Service has their hands full already.

Removing even a bad politician outside the normal and constitutional means threatens the very fabric of the Republic. The only proper way is by the ballot box or impeachment.

re: #1 Walter L. Newton

But, but, but... that's just freedom of speech.
/

Tasteless as it is, yes. But I doubt the moonbats responsible for that paper mache silliness are the types who would seriously plot to assassinate (much less threaten) the President. I have the feeling that far-right kooks are much more dangerous.

I have no doubt that President Obama will require a higher level of security than previous Presidents because there are some rotten people in this counrty who simply cannot stand the idea of a black man as President of the United States.

Sad, but true.

re: #70 Archimedes

I am saying, I'd love to be wrong about him. I'd love to find out that unicorn farts really do smell like cotton candy. If everybody could be taken care of and we could still prosper as a Nation, it'd be cool.

Do I think it'll happen. Nope. But, I wish him all of the luck in the world.

re: #77 Sharmuta
Near the bottom of the page now. Entry titled "Is the Vlaams Belang anti-Israel?"

I doubt the betting agencies would be so cautious unless there was something serious in it.

re: #52 Charles

And by the way, just to make something very clear, anyone who even hints at supporting or enabling this kind of behavior is going to lose their LGF account. You may think you're anonymous here, but if I get a call from the Secret Service about a comment posted at LGF (which I have not, to date) I will absolutely cooperate with them fully and give them everything they need to get in touch with you. And I won't even think twice about it.

And I will add something to what Charles says. I will gladly pass on any email that come my way from anyone who makes questionable statements to me privately. I use my real name here, my real picture (well, 8 years old picture, I'm skinny now) and links are available to my address.

I prefer it this way, but, I will not hesitate to take down anyone who should misuse my very public access.

re: #59 neocon hippie

I don't think so.

Can we still toss softballs in his presence?

As an Obama supporter, I have to admire the consistent intellectual honesty this site has displayed, as opposed to most right wing sites (though I'm not convinced LGF is right wing).

Dishonesty and fanaticism is also pretty common on left-leaning sites, which is why I can't stand them.

re: #72 Charles

This is NOT hype. It's very easy to find this kind of stuff on the web.

Yes, but how does it compare to the incredible threats against Bush? I can't count how many times I've seen him accused of mass murder and postings on how people wanted him dead. The media didn't care on whit about it.

I'm betting it's worse of Bush. It might be hard to compare Clinton, since the web was just coming into its own during his presidency.

re: #88 Arrr

As an Obama supporter

Can I change your screename to ARRRRGGGGGGGG!?!?!?

re: #89 Archimedes

Did the neo-nazis gain 2000 new members the day after Bush was elected?

re: #89 Archimedes

Yes, but how does it compare to the incredible threats against Bush? I can't count how many times I've seen him accused of mass murder and postings on how people wanted him dead. The media didn't care on whit about it.

I'm betting it's worse of Bush. It might be hard to compare Clinton, since the web was just coming into its own during his presidency.

on (in bold) = one

This story is complete BS. Total tripe. Their are no attributions that verify the headline. The government spokesman is not associated with the Secret Service. The law enforcement types are local. The threats cited are admitted to be mere posturing. And one was thoroughly debunked at the time of occurrence and is misdescribed by the reporter. The vests were not bullet proof. They were bullet vests. The type used by hunters. Because that is what the were. This is pure propaganda.

re: #21 aboo-Hoo-Hoo I just don't want to hear, for the next four years, how racist we still are because of the threats to him. It is gonna get old real quick. He will use this to his advantage.

re: #88 Arrr

Well, heck. I'm an Obama supporter now. Loyal opposition, but loyal.

re: #89 Archimedes

Yes, but how does it compare to the incredible threats against Bush? I can't count how many times I've seen him accused of mass murder and postings on how people wanted him dead. The media didn't care on whit about it.

I'm betting it's worse of Bush. It might be hard to compare Clinton, since the web was just coming into its own during his presidency.

Look, this thread has nothing to do with who's getting MORE threats as much as it has to do with the fact that he is getting threats period.

And I think that by Charles pointing this out, he is also reminding us that LGF's is not the place for that kind of posting.

It's not a pissing match right now on who is hated more or less.

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Near the bottom of the page now. Entry titled "Is the Vlaams Belang anti-Israel?"

Someone should report that to the Secret Service. Whether it's serious or not, it's not for us to decide; posting threats on the Internet is very dangerous.

re: #91 Sharmuta

Did the neo-nazis gain 2000 new members the day after Bush was elected?

I have no idea, but I know lots of leftists went ape when he was elected. Many threatened to leave the country.

re: #11 Adrenalyn

I'd call BS
BUT
the KKK wanted him elected
so they could recruit more

then again, they are a tiny fraction of Americana

and the Huffpo, DKos, Dunderground crowd is WAY MORE numerous and violent

add in veterans for peace, code pink, academia, etc....
and you have some seriously disturbed people to look out for no matter your persuasion

Steven Michael Barry, the founder of the Special Forces Underground, at the beginning of his spiral into the sinkhole of Neonazism called on everyone to vote for Al Gore in the 2000 election. Why? Because Gore would at some point provoke a military coup against civil government.

Obviously I couldn't do that. Not everyone in the SFU or their civilian supporters drank the NNS Kool-Aid with Steve.

As I have said before, losing a friend and mentor to the Neonazis sucks.

re: #93 pat

This story is complete BS. Total tripe.

Could you please sit on the other side of the room? When Stinky comes in with the stick, I want a good view! (and also don't want my shirt soiled by flying grey matter)

re: #93 pat

This story is complete BS. Total tripe.

Sorry, pat -- you're just wrong about that.

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo
I'm quite certain that you are correct about that. And the troubling thing is that the true haters - not "right wingers" but skinheads, Nazi's (neo or old) and the KKK are far more dangerous than are the folks with BDS and paper mache puppet heads.
I wish Obama every success in the world in serving this nation as our President.

re: #98 Archimedes

I have no idea, but I know lots of leftists went ape when he was elected. Many threatened to leave the country.

That was then, this is now. What happened in the past was unacceptable, so should this happening now. A threat is a threat, no matter who gets it.

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, heck. I'm an Obama supporter now. Loyal opposition, but loyal.

To refine my position, I support the President of the United States. I also reserve my to stand in opposition to his Marxist policies.

re: #81 Ringo the Gringo

I have no doubt that President Obama will require a higher level of security than previous Presidents because there are some rotten people in this counrty who simply cannot stand the idea of a black man as President of the United States.

Sad, but true.

It seemed like a huge group had a problem with George Bush, too.

re: #98 Archimedes

Pointing to the left is not an excuse.

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

Look, this thread has nothing to do with who's getting MORE threats as much as it has to do with the fact that he is getting threats period.

And I think that by Charles pointing this out, he is also reminding us that LGF's is not the place for that kind of posting.

It's not a pissing match right now on who is hated more or less.

It's no the place for threats, sure. I would never do it. However, it's a good idea to question this sort of rhetoric, because the goal is often to shut up any opposition. Obama is dangerous, and it is our right to be concerned.

re: #13 Sharmuta

That is some disturbing stuff. 2000 new stormfront members? Sad and scary.

Think of them as 2000 new targets.

Think of it as evolution in action.

re: #104 jcm

To refine my position, I support the President of the United States. I also reserve my to stand in opposition to his Marxist policies.

What you said.

re: #109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What you said.

Twice!

re: #106 Sharmuta

Who's to say that some of those new Stormfront members aren't KosKids looking to stir up some shit?

re: #110 VegasRick

Twice!

Thrice

re: #106 Sharmuta

Pointing to the left is not an excuse.

Listen, I'm not excusing anything. I'm applying logic here. They seem so much more concerned about a left wing candidate than a right wing candidate, and that's simply not right. I mean, I think this is business as usual, not some new excessive number of threats.

re: #111 MandyManners

Who's to say that some of those new Stormfront members aren't KosKids looking to stir up some shit?

I sure wouldn't disregard the notion out of hand without some reflection.

Look guys, we all must agree that threats against the President of the US are unacceptable.
We will oppose him if we believe his vision and philosophy are wrong, but he is the embodiment of the American people's will as demonstrated by the votes they cast on election day.
If I see or hear of anyone threatening our President, the fool will be reported immediately to law enforcement.

re: #89 Archimedes

Yes, but how does it compare to the incredible threats against Bush? I can't count how many times I've seen him accused of mass murder and postings on how people wanted him dead. The media didn't care on whit about it.

I'm betting it's worse of Bush. It might be hard to compare Clinton, since the web was just coming into its own during his presidency.

I think the law enforcement folks will investigate any credible threats they find, against any elected official, and it doesn't really matter how A compares to B, that's a matter of reporting.

The internet, imo, makes it much easier to find these folks.

re: #18 Killgore Trout

Not to mention the LLL's attempts to make "citizen's arrests" of Bush and others. Could you imagine if someone tried that on Obama?

Ever heard of Mark Koernke?

He would bring along his well armed buddies, of course.

re: #107 Archimedes

It's no the place for threats, sure. I would never do it. However, it's a good idea to question this sort of rhetoric, because the goal is often to shut up any opposition. Obama is dangerous, and it is our right to be concerned.

I am not trying to speak for Charles, but remember, Charles runs one of the most popular blogs on the internet. He is also connected to a lot of other major bloggers and hosting companies.

As in any industry, I suspect Charles has more inside information as to what is going on among blogs, the kinds of messages that are posted (and deleted) and so on.

What I imagine is that this article backs up a lot of what Charles and the leaders in the blogosphere already know.

re: #95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, heck. I'm an Obama supporter now. Loyal opposition, but loyal.

F-ing A. As Americans, we do not pick our government via violence. Defending Obama is defending the American System. I was not old enough to vote when Kennedy was elected, but as I developed political awareness I saw that he was on the opposing team from myself. But I was majorly pissed when he was killed. I greatly resent anyone interfering with the American political process.

re: #103 FurryOldGuyJeans

That was then, this is now. What happened in the past was unacceptable, so should this happening now. A threat is a threat, no matter who gets it.

Have you ever see the movie The Lion King? There is a great little moral lesson in there.

Has anyone gone to Stormfront recently? What gives there?

re: #113 Archimedes

This behavior from the media should be expected. It does not, however, alter the fact that people are sliding into bad craziness if they think turning to stormfront is a solution!

re: #120 Archimedes

Have you ever see the movie The Lion King? There is a great little moral lesson in there.

I have seen the movie and see no connection to the point you are trying to make.

re: #121 pat

Has anyone gone to Stormfront recently? What gives there?

My level 4 hazmat suit is in the shop for repairs.........

re: #121 pat

Has anyone gone to Stormfront recently? What gives there?

There's not enough bleach in the world to clean my body and mind.

re: #52 Charles

And by the way, just to make something very clear, anyone who even hints at supporting or enabling this kind of behavior is going to lose their LGF account. You may think you're anonymous here, but if I get a call from the Secret Service about a comment posted at LGF (which I have not, to date) I will absolutely cooperate with them fully and give them everything they need to get in touch with you. And I won't even think twice about it.

Thank you Charles.

Think about the real consequences if Obama was needed to be replaced.
Biden becomes president.
Next in command would be Pelosi.
It just keeps getting worse.

Far Left and Right extremists who are disgruntled with Obama and use murder or bodily harm as their motive to free this country of him need to think about the lawful implications as well as the unintended consequences of their actions. There would be no end to the social mistrust that would develop.

The threats are not just originating from the US. He is getting them from around the world.

The Secret Service never sleeps.

re: #114 FurryOldGuyJeans

I sure wouldn't disregard the notion out of hand without some reflection.

Who benefits from chaos, confusion and hatred?

Am I glad I do not know what "storm front" even is?

If I get a chance this afternoon I will check out a few nut sites and report back. Will have to get rain coat out of closet to protect me from their spewing.

re: #111 MandyManners
Hmmm. Good point!

re: #128 MandyManners

Who benefits from chaos, confusion and hatred?

People who hate freedom and want to destroy the Great American Experiment.

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Am I glad I do not know what "storm front" even is?

Buncha' fucking Nazis.

re: #119 legalpad

I greatly resent anyone interfering with the American political process.

did you get the smoking memo from 2004 ?
hint.......CBS

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Am I glad I do not know what "storm front" even is?

It's a neo-nazi website.

Even when they win, they still have to act like victims. The truth is what Charles points out: The left is hate filled. The level of vitriol and hatred spewing forth from them about Bush clouded their minds so much that they were willing to lose a (another) war, hurt the USA and let our society be less safe, just as long as Bush was defied.

I do not hate Barack Obama, I just disagree with his policies and political philosophy. Are there people on my side of the spectrum that are crazy? Of course there are. But, if you want to see real hatred and anger, just look at any protest on the left.....illegal aliens, angry gays, anti-war, ant-fur, anti-whatever....they are all driven by anger and hatred....it must be tough to live like that.

I wonder how much of this story is accurate and how much is contrived - like korans in the toilet or nooses hung by the "victims" themselves.

re: #128 MandyManners

Who benefits from chaos, confusion and hatred?

Both the International Socialists (commies) and the National Socialists (nazis).

Note they are both socialists.

re: #128 MandyManners

Who benefits from chaos, confusion and hatred?

The Joooooos!
/

re: #116 reine.de.tout
"The internet, imo, makes it much easier to find these folks."
Yep.

re: #133 MandyManners

Buncha' fucking Nazis.

No they are NOT. They are a buncha' fucking asshole Nazis

re: #112 sattv4u2

Thrice

"Let's make it four..."

re: #111 MandyManners

Who's to say that some of those new Stormfront members aren't KosKids looking to stir up some shit?

Mandy, I wouldn't doubt that some Kos types are switching their entire philosophy now just because they can't imagine a world where they aren't just disagreeable little shits.

re: #139 Boogberg

The Joooooos!
/

That'll be 10% deducted from your Zionist check at the end of the month?

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

No they are NOT. They are a buncha' fucking asshole Nazis

That's redundant.

re: #137 vapig

I wonder how much of this story is accurate and how much is contrived - like korans in the toilet or nooses hung by the "victims" themselves.

Don't matter. Find out the source, squash the source. Doesn't matter if credible or not.

I respect the office of the President explicitly; Obama will have to prove he is worthy of that respect.

re: #52 Charles

There is a liberal board I hang out on. A few years ago, I saw a post on it where they wished that a gun be put to President Bush's head. After I got over the shock of seeing that in print, I said "FRAK THIS!" and reported the post to the Secret Service.
And not even a second thought.

A thread like this really depresses me. Any way I hope Navy beat ND today.

re: #139 Boogberg

The Joooooos!
/

You're being ironic, but there are those out there that would make the accusations in all seriousness.

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Yes, you should be VERY glad that you don't know and no matter what anyone says, DON'T GO FOR A VISIT.

re: #137 vapig

I wonder how much of this story is accurate and how much is contrived - like korans in the toilet or nooses hung by the "victims" themselves.

ANY accuracy is a potential setback for the Republic.

All ethical persons condemn threats of violence.

It might be a little easier for some to feel outraged if we weren't subjected to, for example, "fireworks" reports, etc, when the target is the US military; or forgiveness and pleas of youthful ignorance when the realized target was Law Enforcement. Evenhandedness in the response to threats would unite us.

Pres-elect Obama can use this opportunity take the lead.

re: #149 Nevergiveup

VMI beat Kentucky last night. In Basketball.

re: #145 Sharmuta

That's redundant.

That's too bad. LOL

re: #127 notutopia

Actually, Joe the Biden would become President, which would create a vacancy in the Veep slot. Whether he chooses Speaker Pelosi to fill said vacancy is another question entirely.

re: #17 jcm

Not to diminish the serious of the subject, but I wonder if Joe the Plumber asking a tough question is categorized as a "threat?

Yes, I'd like to know how they are defining "threat". The internet is bigger now than ever, so more ranting and raving goes on just as a matter of numbers. An official says rhetoric on the Internet has no capability, credibility, or specificity. But it's still a threat.

A law enforcement official who also spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly said that during the campaign there was a spike in anti-Obama rhetoric on the Internet — "a lot of ranting and raving with no capability, credibility or specificity to it."

re: #136 Desert Dog

Even when they win, they still have to act like victims. The truth is what Charles points out: The left is hate filled. The level of vitriol and hatred spewing forth from them about Bush clouded their minds so much that they were willing to lose a (another) war, hurt the USA and let our society be less safe, just as long as Bush was defied.

I do not hate Barack Obama, I just disagree with his policies and political philosophy. Are there people on my side of the spectrum that are crazy? Of course there are. But, if you want to see real hatred and anger, just look at any protest on the left.....illegal aliens, angry gays, anti-war, ant-fur, anti-whatever....they are all driven by anger and hatred....it must be tough to live like that.

I don't think there's anything to be gained by denying reality here, or saying "the left is worse." The simple fact is that there are such things as right wing extremists in this country. You can find them all over the Internet, and not just at stormfront. I've seen many posts at sites like Free Republic that are disturbingly extreme; I don't even go to that site any more because it's so prevalent.

If you don't think the far right is in a serious rage over the election of Obama, you're in denial.

re: #128 MandyManners

Who benefits from chaos, confusion and hatred?

Stan

re: #94 UberInfidel67

I just don't want to hear, for the next four years, how racist we still are because of the threats to him. It is gonna get old real quick. He will use this to his advantage.

I don't have any control over who uses what information how or what you might hear or read.

My statement was based on information relayed to me and as I stated, the story is accurate in its reporting - that's it.

We might not like Obama but he is now our President(period) - whatever may come.

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How's the wife, BTW?

re: #78 Killgore Trout

If the threat is to murder. It is not little Killgore.

re: #111 MandyManners

Who's to say that some of those new Stormfront members aren't KosKids looking to stir up some shit?

Or Kos Kids putting on different set of blinders.

re: #107 Archimedes

It's not the place for threats, sure. I would never do it. However, it's a good idea to question this sort of rhetoric, because the goal is often to shut up any opposition. Obama is dangerous, and it is our right to be concerned.

Threats and questioning are universes apart. They have no connection to each other. There are a thousand ways to oppose the errant policies of Mr. Obama which are built into our system, many of which have been sorely neglected by Republicans. If one considers him "dangerous", then there is much to do that is far more effective than threats or violence, which would have the opposite effect. It is not the man as such who is dangerous. It is the political ideology his supporters promote. We know they want to silence their opponents. They have always done this because they are deceptive and their case is weak. They will not succeed.

re: #123 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have seen the movie and see no connection to the point you are trying to make.

Well, there is a scene in there where the monkey whacks the Lion with a stick and the lion says "Hey, why did you do that?" The monkey responds "It does not matter, it's in the past."

The point is that you need to learn from the past, and it does matter. I don't know, maybe I'm misconstruing you, but I do take what happened in the past seriously, because it connects to the present and future. And, of course, they are making comparisons to the past themselves when they speak of "records".

Anyone remember how wall-eyed crazy that woman was that did the photo cover of McCain for the Atlantic Monthly?

re: #149 Nevergiveup

A thread like this really depresses me. Any way I hope Navy beat ND today.

The Navy is off the coast of North Dakota? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't even know we were at war with them?

Hmmmm, threats against Bush were investigated. Charges were filed. People spent lots of $$$ defending themselves. While I am at odds with Obama's political position and the fact that in many locations the democrats committed (imho a felony) voter fraud, he is our president elect.

I grew up with political assassinations/attempted JKF, MLK, BK, RR and they put a dark blanket over our political processes.

Let BHO sink his own administration, which I suspect will be more crooked than Grant's. Our country has had worse and we recovered. We will recover from BHO's ineptitude and corruption as well.

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

VMI beat Kentucky last night. In Basketball.

So i guess UNC doesn't have to worry next week?

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

The Navy is off the coast of North Dakota? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't even know we were at war with them?

We've always been at war with them.

re: #161 sattv4u2

How's the wife, BTW?

Gonna get that Lithotripsy thang next month. Bunch of kidney stones. She got through this bout (almost said little bout, to which she would slap me stupider) with pain pills that she didn't even take.

I married a trooper.

re: #160 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

We might not like Obama but he is now our President(period) - whatever may come.

Orderly transition of power. If we don't like what's going on, we hamstring the President with an opposition Congress in 2010 and send him packing in 2012.

Assuming we still have fair and free elections.

Frankly the worst possible thing for us (classical liberal) would be for Obama to be assassinated. It would quell any opposition to his ideas and the left would feel the need to set in stone an Obama legacy.

Long live a one term, President Obama.

re: #169 MandyManners

We've always been at war with them.

Ha, you hurled a 1984 reference back at me, good shot. LOL.

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

ANY accuracy is a potential setback for the Republic politburo.

There! Fixed it for you...

re: #151 realwest

I lurk at all sorts of blogs. If you do not know what the idiots of the world are thinking and saying, you cannot combat it. I read KOS alot, HuffPO, and, I have ventured over to Stormfront and the Gates of Vienna as well.

From what I can tell, most of those blogs are echo chambers. For the most part, I do not agree with 99% of what they write, but I know what they write...unlike most of the drones over there....they know nothing about what is considered proper over here.

re: #122 Sharmuta

This behavior from the media should be expected.

Well, it should be expected in the sense that they are corrupt, but I always hold them to an objective standard which they rarely meet.

It does not, however, alter the fact that people are sliding into bad craziness if they think turning to stormfront is a solution!

The stormfront is THE PROBLEM. These people are going in the same direction Obama is, but with more efficiency.

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

The Navy is off the coast of North Dakota? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't even know we were at war with them?

North Dakota is now on the Pacific?!?!? Al Gore was RIGHT!

In Milwaukee the police are investigating an incident in which someone (at a police station) drew a picture of a bullet next to a photo of OBama,
A childish graffito. But they're playing it like a real threat.
If someone did that with a picture of Bush they just would have thrown it in the trash.

re: #165 Archimedes

What happened in the past is not what matters now, but you want to get all indignant about it. Knock yerself out, don't bother asking me to join in though.

The Secret Service also has cautioned the public not to assume that any threats against Obama are due to racism.

From the article, on it's main point:

"...said officials aware of the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity."

Uh, huh.

Sounds like another Just-So story concocted by the Left.

How about, you know, some actual evidence to back this claim up? Any comparative statistics? Any numbers at all?

No, I didn't think so. The entire article is filled with innuendo, half-facts and baseless accusations, and attempts to create some sort of massive, nationwide movement out of a small handful of cases that are certainly loathsome, but are far from unique or outstanding when compared with the rantings against Bush or any other Republican that can be dredged out of the slime bubbling at the Daily Kos or the Democratic Underground on any given day, at any given hour, at any time at all over the last several years.

Let's see some actual substance to back up the claim that this is any different at all from the rate or severity of similar incidents in the past.

re: #172 jcm

I agree completely. We don't need a martyr.

re: #169 MandyManners

We've always been at war with them.

Smug bastards, ain't they. "We've got Mount Rushmore!"

The ones to worry about are the ones who aren't making enough noise to be noticed*. The rest are just expressing themselves like the left has with Bush over the last 8 years.

Four years or so of playing the victim whenever something negative happens? Yippee... at least with Bush one could have some solace that the executive office was managed well, the military got what it needed and other countries had learned some respect for us etc... not looking forward to the world "testing" the O...

*and, just in my opinion, even then the odds for something like that being carried out lean more towards lone nutjob acting out aka Oswald evidently did than any organized effort from groups who benefit from whining.

re: #172 jcm

Frankly the worst possible thing for us (classical liberal) would be for Obama to be assassinated. It would quell any opposition to his ideas and the left would feel the need to set in stone an Obama legacy.

Long live a one term, President Obama.

May God bless him, and keep him -- and keep him far away from my assets.

re: #121 pat

Has anyone gone to Stormfront recently? What gives there?

It's not something I recommend.

re: #134 Adrenalyn

did you get the smoking memo from 2004 ?
hint.......CBS

Indeed. Conservatives should make a space-program level effort to effect MSM influence. It is one of the worst offenders. The CBS thing was, of course, one of their less clever efforts.

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

The Navy is off the coast of North Dakota? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't even know we were at war with them?

Thanks! I was going to check an online map.

re: #171 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Orderly transition of power. If we don't like what's going on, we hamstring the President with an opposition Congress in 2010 and send him packing in 2012.

Assuming we still have fair and free elections.

Bid assumption there.

re: #175 Desert Dog
And that's why I don't go over there. I'll read reports from LGFer's who go there, but I refuse to go there because I value my sanity (such as it is) and because I don't want to drive up their hit count.

I agree that threats against BO are stupid and should be investigated, but I question that he's had more threats than Bush. Hell, GWB had whole books and movies calling for his murder.

Why would anyone call this story BS? It is absolutely plausible [and shameful] that his election would elicit a mountain of hate.

I don't like Obama and I'm still getting my mind around this whole thing, but if anything bad happened to him it would be terrible for our country. I happen to also think his little daughters are sweet and adorable. They don't deserve this kind of anguish.

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Smug bastards, ain't they. "We've got Mount Rushmore!"

There is no Mount Rushmore.

re: #185 Who Watches the Watchmen?

May God bless him, and keep him -- and keep him far away from my assets.

Amen Rabbi.......

re: #179 FurryOldGuyJeans

What happened in the past is not what matters now, but you want to get all indignant about it. Knock yerself out, don't bother asking me to join in though.

Hey now, I'm not "all indignant". To me this is the usual ho-hum press coverage I take with a giant grain of salt.

Mean while the AD of ND is explaining what a great job CW is doing?

Overblown, over exaggerated, over nothing...

re: #178 Pope Insouciance IV

In Milwaukee the police are investigating an incident in which someone (at a police station) drew a picture of a bullet next to a photo of OBama,
A childish graffito. But they're playing it like a real threat.
If someone did that with a picture of Bush they just would have thrown it in the trash.

Why the fuck are we trying to play "Obama's threat are more important than Bushes threats."

I think the whole point here is he IS OUR PRESIDENT ELECT and it's not cool that there are threats against him, in any shape or form, in any numbers, big or small.

And on top of that, Charles is using this article to make a point that he doesn't want any of this sort of sick dialog playing out on LGF's.

So, stop with the fucking pissing contest, it makes you sound like some whining KosKid.

re: #178 Pope Insouciance IV

In Milwaukee the police are investigating an incident in which someone (at a police station) drew a picture of a bullet next to a photo of OBama,
A childish graffito. But they're playing it like a real threat.
If someone did that with a picture of Bush they just would have thrown it in the trash displayed it in an art gallery.

Fixed that for you.

re: #158 Charles

I agree there are looney's on the right. I do not deny that. And, I think that when one of these idiots pops up, they should be held accountable and cast out from mainsteam society. The point I was attempting to make is the difference between the the left and the right is that the left accepted all of that Bush hatred as normal and proper. I do not think the right will embrace Obama Derangement Syndrome and make it one of the "planks" of our political outlook like the left did with "BDS".

Sadly, white supremacists, who are a small minority in this nation, are going to cause trouble and recruit new members. I think Glenn R. had a link a few weeks back showing the emboldened pointy hooded supremacists holding a rally somewhere in TN.
Sad.

I think Obama's election proves we are a just nation willing to elect a person of color - but that doesn't mean racism is dead.
If Obama lost - I think we would be hearing from the other side of the racist coin - the black panthers.

re: #172 jcm

Frankly the worst possible thing for us (classical liberal) would be for Obama to be assassinated. It would quell any opposition to his ideas and the left would feel the need to set in stone an Obama legacy.

Long live a one term, President Obama.

LBJ did that and the negative results are still apparent.

re: #172 jcm

Frankly the worst possible thing for us (classical liberal) would be for Obama to be assassinated. It would quell any opposition to his ideas and the left would feel the need to set in stone an Obama legacy.

Long live a one term, President Obama.

I did research into the Kennedy administration by reading newspaper archives before his assassination and all I can say is that he was not the well-respected President the way he is portrayed now. He was a president both widely hated and loved, and there was some serious opposition to him and his policies. There were even some very serious calls for his impeachment that were stopped only by his death.

"officials aware of the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity"

Must be hard on 'officials' since what is a threat to one isn't a threat to others... thinking of effigy of Sarah being left hanging for days.

re: #185 Who Watches the Watchmen?

May God bless him, and keep him -- and keep him far away from my assets.

Amen! Amen! And a HUGE AMEN to that!

re: #126 shanec99

Thank you Charles.

I don't want a legitimate difference in policy with Obama be blamed for assassination threats - like Clinton linked Rush with the Oklahoma City Bombing - blaming talk radio.

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

And I will add something to what Charles says. I will gladly pass on any email that come my way from anyone who makes questionable statements to me privately. I use my real name here, my real picture (well, 8 years old picture, I'm skinny now)....

So how did you lose weight?

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

The Navy is off the coast of North Dakota? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't even know we were at war with them?

You say Eastasia
I say Eurasia
You say Eastasia
I say Eurasia

Eastasia!
Eurasia!
Eastasia!
Eurasia!

Let's call the whole thing off!

re: #193 MandyManners

There is no Mount Rushmore.

Wall Drug? They've got a bunch of signs.

(oh, South Dakota.)

North Dakota has wood-chippers though.

re: #198 Walter L. Newton

Why the fuck are we trying to play "Obama's threat are more important than Bushes threats."

So, you're saying we should be indignant about threats against Obama. If that's the point, I'm with you. People who do things like that are worthless morons. I have no truck with them.

re: #207 ryannon

So how did you lose weight?

If it taste's good, spit it out. Easy.

re: #193 MandyManners

There is no Mount Rushmore.

Those bastards erased it again?

There are three things here. The first is that there really are Klan members in the USA and there are more of them and their sympathizers than we would like to admit. More people are on line now then ever before, thus the moron quotient goes up and fools that would never have been heard in the past now are.

Lastly there is a deep desire among a great deal of people to do unto Barack as Kos et al did unto Dubya. They then say things they really don't mean literally, but in their anger go overboard. And because there really is a racist thug element still in American society law enforcement _has_ to have a heightened sense of awareness about anything that might be a threat to the President. So when someone says "I wish he were dead" about Dubya it really wasn't a threat just an off color comment...now such a statement can't be ignored about Barack.

I really don't think much will come of this, except a few people with very big mouths who chould have kept them shut. Said people will find themselves Persons of Interest with the USSS.

ODS doesn't seem nearly as prevalent as BDS or PDS.

I'm willing to cut him some slack until he actually takes office.... even though some of the things he's doing ("Office of the President-Elect", anyone?) make me cringe.

re: #207 ryannon

So how did you lose weight?

Walter? Can I take this one?

Walter is unabashedly and unashamedly poor.

I admire Walter greatly.

Wait, I can't remember the story. How'd you lose the weight Walter/

re: #203 FurryOldGuyJeans

When JFK was killed there were a few students celebrating the early news and this was at an elementary school. The military despised him.

re: #201 FrogMarch

Sadly, white supremacists, who are a small minority in this nation, are going to cause trouble and recruit new members. I think Glenn R. had a link a few weeks back showing the emboldened pointy hooded supremacists holding a rally somewhere in TN.
Sad.

I think Obama's election proves we are a just nation willing to elect a person of color - but that doesn't mean racism is dead.
If Obama lost - I think we would be hearing from the other side of the racist coin - the black panthers.

Racism has existed as long as there have been two races on earth in contact with each other. It's has been the norm world wide. What is unusual is individualism, that says a man should be treated as an individual. This is the American spirit.

re: #209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wall Drug? They've got a bunch of signs.

(oh, South Dakota.)

North Dakota has wood-chippers though.

I think that's Brainerd, Minnesota where you can rent a wood chipper.

re: #218 The Other Les

I think that's Brainerd, Minnesota where you can rent a wood chipper.

LOVE the movie "Fargo".

re: #121 pat

Has anyone gone to Stormfront recently? What gives there?

Nope. I also haven't gone outside and stuck my face in the first steaming pile of dogshit I find either.

I'm going to make a cheeseburger while it's still legal.

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? Can I take this one? Walter is unabashedly and unashamedly poor. I admire Walter greatly. Wait, I can't remember the story. How'd you lose the weight Walter/

I'm blushing, I don't know what to say, all this admiration, shit, my slow decent into oblivion is working so well for my career and my public persona, I think I will move into a cardboard box next week. Only thing is, I can't stand wet cardboard.

< re: #218 The Other Les

I think that's Brainerd, Minnesota where you can rent a wood chipper.

One Used Wood Chipper, For Sale

re: #220 Shug Nice. Accurate and succinct!

re: #220 Shug

Nope. I also haven't gone outside and stuck my face in the first steaming pile of dogshit I find either.

Hum, I wonder what's for lunch?

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

I'm blushing, I don't know what to say, all this admiration, shit, my slow decent into oblivion is working so well for my career and my public persona, I think I will move into a cardboard box next week. Only thing is, I can't stand wet cardboard.

Good artists are supposed to suffer, you know. ;)

re: #201 FrogMarch

Sadly, white supremacists, who are a small minority in this nation, are going to cause trouble and recruit new members. I think Glenn R. had a link a few weeks back showing the emboldened pointy hooded supremacists holding a rally somewhere in TN.
Sad.

I think Obama's election proves we are a just nation willing to elect a person of color - but that doesn't mean racism is dead.
If Obama lost - I think we would be hearing from the other side of the racist coin - the black panthers.

It was founded in Pulaski, TN.

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

oblivion is working so well for my career

Much lower tax rates in oblivion. Sounds like a good idea.

Decent s/b descent

re: #222 Walter L. Newton
Try using a large refrigerator Cardboard box and a smaller refrigerator box inside that one - use some newspaper in between the two and you should stay nice and dry!

And if people don;t think the Klan is around, dangerous and growing read this about a woman killed last week by the Klan.

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

I'm blushing, I don't know what to say, all this admiration, shit, my slow decent into oblivion is working so well for my career and my public persona, I think I will move into a cardboard box next week. Only thing is, I can't stand wet cardboard.

Monty Python, Four Yorkshiremen:

re: #31 Charles

This story is absolutely NOT BS.

I believe the incidents cited are real.

I am dubious about the conclusion that there are any more such instances, or that they are any more severe, than anything that has occurred in the past. The fallback to "anonymous sources" where such conclusions are discussed raises all sorts of questions, as it always should. Questions like, "Did the reporter make this up?"

I have no doubt that reporters are paying much more attention to this than they have in the past, given their own blatant political bias. After all, a death threat against Bush, from their perspective, wouldn't even raise an eyebrow; they would view it as a "reasonable" or "commonplace" response, and consider it unworthy of reporting, anymore than a dog biting a man. When some nutjob threatens a Liberal, however, suddenly the man is biting the dog, and it gets splashed all over the front page, with anonymous sources backing up the stance that it is newsworthy because of it's alleged increased frequency.

Why would law enforcement officials insist on anonymity when making such statements? There's no law against releasing crime statistics - and threatening Federal-level politicians with harm is a Federal crime. I can understand the Secret Service not releasing such information, because their concern is with protection, and they aren't in a position to comment on any larger scale statistics that they don't collect themselves.

Was it one source? Several? The article seems to imply the latter, without mentioning any actual numbers, or any dissent.

There was a time when journalists frowned on anonymity in reported stories. They were useful while pursuing bigger fish, or more details, but an assertion coming from such a source was hardly ever mentioned in print. Now, it is commonplace, and we're supposed to trust that journalism is unbiased and self-policing enough to justify building entire stories on such unverifiable sources.

I'm calling shenanigans on this practice. Go find a source that's willing to go on record, or don't waste my time on a tale that stands no hope whatsoever of being distinguished from pure fiction.

re: #228 legalpad

Much lower tax rates in oblivion. Sounds like a good idea.

Maybe he should write a few "Marxism is The Only Way" screeds, and soon he will be fending off more government grants than he can accept.

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOVE the movie "Fargo".

Of which "No Country For Old Men" is the sequel - if you see what I mean...

re: #227 MandyManners
Uh, what was founded in Pulaski, TN.?

re: #231 Quilly Mammoth

And if people don;t think the Klan is around, dangerous and growing read this about a woman killed last week by the Klan.

Gee, the Klan using Muslim tactics.

re: #209 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wall Drug? They've got a bunch of signs.

(oh, South Dakota.)

North Dakota has wood-chippers though.

The wood-chipper scene
was purportedly done up there near Brainard MN don't cha know....

North Dakota is the peace garden state.

In case anyone really thinks there aren't people who want to promote this stuff -- I've received two emails now from a banned user who's outraged that I wouldn't let him talk about assassination here.

And I know for a fact that this article is not exaggerated. Not one bit.

re: #236 realwest

KKK

re: #8 FurryOldGuyJeans

Amazing how the threats against Bush were accepted as being normal by so many people.

Does he really have more threats, or does he just have lots of people scouring the Internet for anything that could be reported as a threat? When we saw hostile comments towards Bush, did we report every one of them as threatening to the Secret Service?

re: #216 Perplexed

When JFK was killed there were a few students celebrating the early news and this was at an elementary school. The military despised him.

Wrong. Fake-but-accurate hogwash. Dan Rather (surprise!) reported this, claiming that they were celebrating Kennedy's assassination, but in reality, they were told they had the rest of the day off, but not why.

Just getting to this thread.

FWIW, I think part of this comes from the dishonest "post-racial" packaging of Obama, given that the race card was played wherever it was convenient.

There are racists and there are people who skillfully play racism. Racists tend to be either ignorant or just plain hateful. I don't think Obama is a racist, but I do think his campaign played to racism, both to minimize/ dehumanize critics by often portraying them as racist, and by happily taking the votes and support of folks who are indeed racist (eg Rev. Wright and his followers, as well as more conflicted members of the black community who have yet to cope with the idea that they may, indeed, be racist).

That all makes for tough waters to navigate without inciting racism- but one could expect that white supremacists and lesser bigots would get frustrated and start making credible threats given how the campaign exploited both sides of the issue.

My hope at this point is that Obama can get past being a candidate who might have made a Faustian bargain and indeed lead us as a post racial president who will authentically steer us away from racial division. At the moment, things are going in the opposite direction, and it is not a good path for America to be taking.

BOGALUSA, La. – Hattie Dillon got a first-hand taste of the racial hatred that gripped this city in the 1960s when a metal bolt flung by someone in an angry crowd gashed her head as she marched for civil rights.

On Wednesday, sitting on her front porch just off Main Street, the 61-year-old said Bogalusa is better now. But the bloody legacy of racial violence and brazen Ku Klux Klan activity in the area remains — evidenced by the arrest of eight local people in the death of an Oklahoma woman shot when a weekend Klan initiation went awry.

"History was made this month," Dillon said, referring to Barack Obama's election as the nation's first black president. "Then our eyes opened again."

Bogalusa, a logging town dominated by a huge paper mill about 60 miles north of New Orleans, is the largest city in Washington Parish, which, like the whole state, was won by John McCain, not Obama last week.

Sunday's killing was in St. Tammany Parish, just across the Washington Parish line and all the suspects are from Washington Parish. Cynthia C. Lynch, 43, of Tulsa, Okla., was shot in an area of vast piney woods, farms and bedroom communities separated from New Orleans by Lake Pontchartrain.

SNIP

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

I'm blushing, I don't know what to say, all this admiration, shit, my slow decent into oblivion is working so well for my career and my public persona, I think I will move into a cardboard box next week. Only thing is, I can't stand wet cardboard.

Have you considered putting on some weight?

re: #121 pat

Has anyone gone to Stormfront recently? What gives there?

You don't want to go there. If you insist, make sure you take plenty of hot water and soap; you'll need it afterward. And maybe a gallon or two of bleach, just to be on the safe side.

re: #236 realwest

History of the Klan

re: #239 Charles

In case anyone really thinks there aren't people who want to promote this stuff -- I've received two emails now from a banned user who's outraged that I wouldn't let him talk about assassination here.

And I know for a fact that this article is not exaggerated. Not one bit.

Your "delete email" function must get great use.

re: #228 legalpad

Much lower tax rates in oblivion. Sounds like a good idea.

On a serious note. I've read a number of articles that suggest that because my whole life went from almost six figure salary 5 years ago to under 20 grand now, and because I have managed to downsize my whole existence (I am 55 and single), that I am in a better position to get through this economic downturn.

Gee, I lowered my expectations just in time.

I didn't vote for Senator Obama for POTUS, but dammit, he's going to be MY President, and I pray for his safety and security.

I read some trash by a Euro this week that knocked Senator O AND the US of A as a bunch of mongrels. I suddenly felt very defensive of Senator O. I happen to love my country of mismatches and blends; my family, like many, is blended, but even if it weren't, I'd love that we are a melting pot - or perhaps a stew - of all kinds of people. It makes us strong - in that respect, Senator O is a good example of a typical American, though I think Tiger Woods would be better. :D

Importantly - we tend to forget the incredibly hard job the feds do to protect the POTUS, and obviously it just got harder. It's been a long time, thank God, since there was an incident with the POTUS, so we tend to get lulled into complaisance, but the Secret Service doesn't, and I pray for their continued success.

re: #236 realwest

Uh, what was founded in Pulaski, TN.?

The KKK.

re: #9 Walter L. Newton

Thank you for writing that! The far right and far left are just as crazy. Thank goodness we live in a nation where the 20% of non-affiliated voters pick the leaders.

I despise the cult of personality that surrounds Obama, but I do not despise him as a man.
I despise the brutal and bloody ideologies espoused by many of his associates, but I do not despise them as men.
I despise many of the policies Obama promised to implement through his office as President, but I do not despise his office.

As an American citizen, I pray that the next four years will be a long debate about ideas and not, as we've experienced for the past sixteen years, vicious never-ending ad hominem attacks against individuals.

re: #251 MandyManners

The KKK.

Remember the idiot who had his nic as Nathan Bedford Forrest? Charles wacked him out of the gate. One of my favorite days here.

re: #242 Spiny Norman

Wrong. Fake-but-accurate hogwash. Dan Rather (surprise!) reported this, claiming that they were celebrating Kennedy's assassination, but in reality, they were told they had the rest of the day off, but not why.

I was at an elementary school outside of Ellsworth AFB. News came in just before lunch (pretty much preliminary reports). There were students celebrating JFK getting shot. After lunch they announced JFKs death. Mood became a bit more somber.

re: #153 FightingBack

All ethical persons condemn threats of violence.

It might be a little easier for some to feel outraged if we weren't subjected to, for example, "fireworks" reports, etc, when the target is the US military; or forgiveness and pleas of youthful ignorance when the realized target was Law Enforcement. Evenhandedness in the response to threats would unite us.

Pres-elect Obama can use this opportunity take the lead.

I for one advocate both violence and the threat of violence.
Violence, on occasion, or the continued threat of violence is often enough needed to keep the peace. Being all PC and saying we'll never advocate violence is what emboldens our enemies, domestic and otherwise, against us when they perceive that we, as a whole, cannot stomach violence.

Our police force exists in part as a threat of violence directly to criminals, whether in violent reaction to circumstance or in simply enforcing the law and dragging them to the courts. Ask Dillinger and many others about that.

Our military exists in part as a threat of violence to other nations should they transgress against the US to enough of a degree to prod us into action against them. The Taliban learned this the hard way even though they had not directly participated in 9/11.

Unnecessary violence however is abhorrent to a peaceful society and can lead to anarchy if not put down with the needed level of violence. I do not condone most unnecessary violence* as it is essentially criminal behavior that does no good for anyone in the larger society and often no real good for those involved in the actions.

Also: "Levels of force" is simply a euphemism for "level of violence or threat of violence".

*Sports excepted as necessary and fun for the participants.

re: #241 SpringheelJack

Does he really have more threats, or does he just have lots of people scouring the Internet for anything that could be reported as a threat? When we saw hostile comments towards Bush, did we report every one of them as threatening to the Secret Service?

I have no clue if the threats are more, and frankly could not care any less one way or the other. The very fact that Obama is getting threats is the most disturbing thing to me, the media obsession with it being their anointed one is a bandage on skin close second.

re: #251 MandyManners

The KKK.

thank you Senator Byrd
you're the only one in the Senate who could've answered that correctly
from a first-person perspective

re: #171 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Orderly transition of power. If we don't like what's going on, we hamstring the President with an opposition Congress in 2010 and send him packing in 2012.

Assuming we still have fair and free elections.

Let's hope and pray we get that far, we've a lot of enemies lining-up to take a shot.

In fact, pay close attention to leaks spilling-out of Camp Obama after the summit this weekend. Bush has made his position clear, however, Obama is another story. If Obama's position is, as one might suspect, a full 180-degrees different than Bush's it is not inconceivable that internal problems here-at-home may become compounded exponentially by factors abroad.

The last thing we need are home-bred crackpots compounding a stack of problems which many don't know or can't even begin to conceive.

re: #249 Walter L. Newton

On a serious note. I've read a number of articles that suggest that because my whole life went from almost six figure salary 5 years ago to under 20 grand now, and because I have managed to downsize my whole existence (I am 55 and single), that I am in a better position to get through this economic downturn.

Gee, I lowered my expectations just in time.

Sounds like my plan.

re: #236 realwest

Uh, what was founded in Pulaski, TN.?

The Klan, eh?

Curiously, there are still schools all over the Old South named after Nathan Bedford Forrest. Can anyone explain this to me?