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And Now: Fomalhaut B

Science | Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:28:04 pm PST

This week astronomers announced the first pictures of planets circling other stars, but if you saw the photos released by the wire services you might have wondered, “Where?”

Here’s a good illustration from APOD, showing the planet and its position within the giant ring of dust that surrounds Fomalhaut. They’ve given this planet the sexy name of “Fomalhaut B.” (I don’t know if they’re insisting on the lower case ‘b’.)

Photo by NASA, ESA, and Z. Levay (STScI)

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1 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:28:44pm

It's the eye of Sauron

2 bosforus  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:28:53pm

That's a mighty big kitty cat staring at us.

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:29:23pm

Cool!

4 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:29:36pm

Is that name an Asimov reference? I swear it is.

5 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:30:05pm

Very cool!

/"Fomalhaut B" sounds like something out of the Hitchhiker's Guide books. LOL

6 DisturbedEma  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:30:24pm

re: #1 Shug

It's the eye of Sauron


GMTA!

7 HelloDare  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:30:59pm

Any relation to Fomalhaut A and Fomalhaut C ?

8 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:31:17pm

This definitely requires a Blake reference!

9 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:31:42pm

Any relation to Jabba?

10 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:31:59pm
11 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:32:32pm

OK, so the name is Arabic, "mouth of the whale" or "mouth of the fish".

But Asimov did use it in Pebble in the Sky.

12 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:32:42pm

The Galaxy Song

13 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:32:49pm

It just looks like a really very bloodshot eye.

14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:32:59pm

Isn't Fomalhaut that catalogue that you get in the mail that attempts to sell you stuff at extremely inflated prices for low monthly payments so that you end spending like $780 for an alarm clock?

15 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:33:14pm

re: #2 bosforus

Wouldn't that be funny if that is what that is? Some guy at NASA says "Hey, Bon, look at Princesses' eyeball!" as he shows the pic to the colleague...he then says "Hmm, I wonder if...!"

16 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:33:25pm

I heard that Czar Vladimir has already claimed the mineral and oil rights to Fomalhaut b. He has told the rest of us Terrains to backoff!

17 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:33:38pm
you might have wondered, “Where?”

I saw this picture two days ago - and that's exactly what I thought.

Charles=mind reader

18 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:11pm

That planet looks about 6000 years old

/ducks

19 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:22pm
20 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:38pm

That name "Fomalhaut B" sounds like an insect extermination chemical.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:43pm

At long last, the real thing, planets of other stars. We knew they were there, but it is something else to actually see them.
These images are a glorious triumph of science and the human spirit.

I've waited 50 years to see this.

22 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:52pm

re: #10 taxfreekiller

And how many facelefts does ms tfk say ms huckabee has had?

23 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:55pm

re: #8 Dianna

This definitely requires a Blake reference!

You mean John Blake?

24 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:34:56pm

re: #14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Isn't Fomalhaut that catalogue that you get in the mail that attempts to sell you stuff at extremely inflated prices for low monthly payments so that you end spending like $780 for an alarm clock?

My dad never could figure that out. But I think that's Fingerhut.

Sigh.

25 winston06  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:14pm

fascinating....

26 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:32pm

Here is a great explanation on the whole thing:

Youtube Video

Notice on the picture, that Hubble took a picture two separate years apart, and so you can see the planet's orbit. That is how it is distinguished from all the other dots.

27 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:33pm

re: #14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Funny!

28 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:46pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

At long last, the real thing, planets of other stars. We knew they were there, but it is something else to actually see them.
These images are a glorious triumph of science and the human spirit.

I've waited 50 years to see this.

Thank a Muslim.
/

29 bosforus  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:47pm

re: #12 Shug

The Galaxy Song

What's that puppy jumping on its master at 1:50?

30 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:49pm

re: #19 taxfreekiller

down here in Texas that is known as the Sunday morning tequila red eye

Now I understand why I never touch tequila!

31 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:35:57pm

Cats knocked over and broke two lamps last night. Must have been a wild time.

32 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:36:17pm

re: #10 taxfreekiller

To be fair, he lost a lot of weight, and probably had lots of saggy skin. My good friend had a similar experience, and got surgery done to take care of it, on her neck, arms, and stomach. Mainly because she didn't like looking like the Saggy Baggy Elephant. :)

33 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:36:23pm

re: #24 Dianna

My dad never could figure that out. But I think that's Fingerhut.

Sigh.

I was amazed and the number of Fingerhut boxes coming through the UPS sort center just before Christmas.

34 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:36:24pm
35 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:36:33pm

re: #23 Noam Sayin'

William

36 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:12pm

You know a nicer camera could have taken that red right out...

/

37 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:13pm

It would be cool if there were a Hubble flying around what we call Fomalhut B, taking like pics of our Sun, and their scientists saying "Look, there is a planet around that star, look!" and it's us!

38 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:13pm

I bet one of those Islamic countries will find the next one

39 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:17pm

re: #23 Noam Sayin'

You mean John Blake?

No, but it will do until something better comes along!

40 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:31pm
41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:43pm

re: #12 Shug

The Galaxy Song

The way its supposed to be...

42 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:45pm

re: #36 Bloodnok

You know a nicer camera could have taken that red right out...

/

You know NASA always buying from the low bidder.

43 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:37:57pm

I do not see a planet.

44 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:09pm

re: #37 6pat6

They would most likely see Jupiter first.
/Didn't mean to be a spoil-sport hahaha

45 Silhouette  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:15pm

Sounds like a cheap prom tux rental kiosk.

46 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:18pm

re: #30 Dianna

Now I understand why I never touch tequila!

In Obama's America, tequila touches you!

/

47 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:36pm

re: #43 yah

I do not see a planet.

It's behind the globular cluster.

48 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:44pm

re: #44 Basho

Thanks, buddy. Earth shines over all!

49 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:53pm

re: #43 yah

I do not see a planet.

See my post and link at #26

50 bosforus  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:38:54pm

re: #12 Shug

The Galaxy Song

You know, those numbers don't seem too big after the last month. :)

51 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:05pm

re: #31 DistantThunder

Cats knocked over and broke two lamps last night. Must have been a wild time.

[Link: www.fingerhut.com...] to the rescue!

52 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:05pm

Do I get to go OT before anyone else?
Movie on PBS is Lilies of the Valley, good flick

53 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:33pm

re: #33 jcm

I was amazed and the number of Fingerhut boxes coming through the UPS sort center just before Christmas.

The good news is they're usually light, because they're full of plastic crap.

The bad news is that they sometimes bounce out of the bins.

I worked the sort line back in the 80's. They asked me to quit after I nearly got shipped to New York.

54 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:39:41pm

How were they able to pick out the planet within the dust ring?

That's amazing.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:40:00pm

re: #40 taxfreekiller

he still needs a bit of an ass reduction

The Huckster is 100% complete ass.

56 john blake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:40:04pm

This Hubble picture has a "corona graph". Now I'm thirsty!

57 DistantThunder  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:40:07pm

re: #51 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

[Link: www.fingerhut.com...] to the rescue!

That link gave me the main page - was there a particular item?

58 Perplexed  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:40:55pm

Amazing technology.

59 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:40:57pm

re: #52 lifeofthemind

Do I get to go OT before anyone else?
Movie on PBS is Lilies of the Valley, good flick

Sidney Poitier helps some nuns. Lovely book, too.

60 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:40:59pm

re: #53 Dianna

The good news is they're usually light, because they're full of plastic crap.

The bad news is that they sometimes bounce out of the bins.

I worked the sort line back in the 80's. They asked me to quit after I nearly got shipped to New York.

Early 90s for me, great college job, morning sort, go to classes, study, sleep......

61 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:10pm

re: #43 yah

I do not see a planet.

You can't see it in the larger picture. Look in the box at lower right, which is a magnification of the small box in the lower right of the bigger picture.

62 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:25pm

re: #53 Dianna

They asked me to quit after I nearly got shipped to New York.

I've half-joking looked at shipping myself to a vacation destination via UPS or such. Might be cheaper. Accommodations would suck, but hey, I'm cheap.

63 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:33pm
64 Perplexed  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:41:53pm

'Night all.

65 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:42:25pm

re: #36 Bloodnok

You know a nicer camera could have taken that red right out...

/

They should have gotten the new Canon Hubble lens that has a "Red Sun Reduction" setting, eh?

66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:42:25pm

re: #57 DistantThunder

That link gave me the main page - was there a particular item?

I'm kidding. Everything in there is overpriced and of dubious quality.

67 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:42:36pm

Spock!

Put together a landing party... me, you, Dr. McCoy, Sulu, Chekov, and Lt Mutumbo...

/guess who is going to be turned into a sugar cube.

68 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:42:37pm

Formalhaut will burn out in only one billion years, so enjoy the images while you still can.

69 Caboose  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:42:38pm

Fomalhaut B sounds like a faux-German shoppe where one goes to get irregular, black Lederhosen for weddings, graduations 'n stuff. (Ach, yew vant zer gut schtuff, zen go zu Fomalhaut A, schnell! Egg-spect tew pay more for ze gut vonz!)

70 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:42:57pm

re: #60 jcm

Early 90s for me, great college job, morning sort, go to classes, study, sleep......

After that, I moved to working at an answering service. I could study, and no one whanged me in the head with heavy objects.

71 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:20pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm kidding. Everything in there is overpriced and of dubious quality.

That means a bailout is due shortly.......

72 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:24pm

re: #11 OldLineTexan

OK, so the name is Arabic, "mouth of the whale" or "mouth of the fish".

But Asimov did use it in Pebble in the Sky.

Asimov was one of my favorite authors when I was a teen. Yup, I was (and still am according to my daughter) a nerd!

73 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:30pm

re: #68 Basho

Formalhaut will burn out in only one billion years, so enjoy the images while you still can.

Fingerhut, on the other hand, will last much longer than that

74 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:39pm

I think I see one of the Fomal-hotties waving.

75 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:56pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm kidding. Everything in there is overpriced and of dubious quality.

"Dubious" doesn't cover it!

76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:43:59pm

re: #66 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm kidding. Everything in there is overpriced and of dubious quality.

Speaking of dubious, anyone got any grass?
/

77 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:44:02pm

re: #35 Shug

William

I figured it was some classy and brainiac stuff like that, but after seeing a couple references to "eye" and reading "Blake," my first thought was an album I own, John Blake's "Twinkling of an Eye."

I'm a little punchy tonight.

78 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:44:16pm

re: #70 Dianna

After that, I moved to working at an answering service. I could study, and no one whanged me in the head with heavy objects.

They asked me back, but when I ask to opt out of the Teamsters.... uh... oh.....

79 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:44:36pm

re: #67 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Spock!

Put together a landing party... me, you, Dr. McCoy, Sulu, Chekov, and Lt Mutumbo...

/guess who is going to be turned into a sugar cube.

In the episode in question it was the buxom girl crewman.

80 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:02pm

Sadly, we could visit them...never.

81 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:15pm

re: #77 Noam Sayin'

And lo and behold, there's a lizard named john blake in the house tonight.

82 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:16pm

re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Speaking of dubious, anyone got any grass?
/

Got lots since it was lawn mowing day in the neighbourhood.

83 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:30pm

re: #73 Desert Dog

Fingerhut, on the other hand, will last much longer than that

Or at least your monthly payments to them will.

84 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:43pm

re: #77 Noam Sayin'

There are probably multiple references that fit.

The only one I know is by William Blake who said " The eye altering, alters all"

85 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:47pm

re: #67 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Spock!

Put together a landing party... me, you, Dr. McCoy, Sulu, Chekov, and Lt Mutumbo...

/guess who is going to be turned into a sugar cube.

Capt. Kirk will still get the Green Fomalhautian babe in the end.....

86 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:45:55pm

re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Speaking of dubious, anyone got any grass?
/

You need to be educated........

87 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:46:31pm

re: #77 Noam Sayin'

I figured it was some classy and brainiac stuff like that, but after seeing a couple references to "eye" and reading "Blake," my first thought was an album I own, John Blake's "Twinkling of an Eye."

I'm a little punchy tonight.

Go bowl-ing.

88 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:46:36pm

Loving all the pictures on this site. Check this one out:
[Link: antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

89 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:46:48pm

re: #14 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Isn't Fomalhaut that catalogue that you get in the mail that attempts to sell you stuff at extremely inflated prices for low monthly payments so that you end spending like $780 for an alarm clock?

LOL

90 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:07pm

re: #85 Desert Dog

Capt. Kirk will still get the Green Fomalhautian babe in the end.....

I hope she liked it that way

91 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:27pm

re: #59 Dianna

Sidney Poitier helps some nuns. Lovely book, too.

How in sweet syncopated municipal bonds did Liberalism flow from the warm sentiments of this movie to the cramped collection of self pity and hostility that afflicts us today?

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:34pm

re: #90 Shay4l

I hope she liked it that way

Oh no you didn't!

93 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:36pm
94 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:41pm

re: #90 Shay4l

sulu did

95 Joan Not of Arc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:47:49pm

re: #1 Shug

Funny, that's what I was going to say.

96 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:01pm

re: #88 Pvt Bin Jammin

Loving all the pictures on this site. Check this one out:
[Link: antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

Those nebulae are so incredible.....nice pictures in that site, thank you!

97 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:04pm

re: #85 Desert Dog

Capt. Kirk will still get the Green Fomalhautian babe in the end.....

Yeah, but he'll find out "she" is a "he" (OK, actually an energy being w/o physical form) when "he" tries to stick a knife in Kirk's ribs during an intimate moment.

Resulting in a fist fight to determine the future of the galaxy.

98 Caboose  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:06pm

re: #76 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Speaking of dubious, anyone got any grass?
/

Zoysa, creeping red fescue, Bermuda or St. Augstine? :-) (Haven't touched the other kind of weed since 1977, security clearances and all that, plus it just doesn't do anything for me that a good drink can't do the same.)

99 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:08pm

From wikipedia:

Fomalhaut is believed to be a young star, only 200 to 300 million years old, with a potential lifespan of only a billion years. The surface temperature of the star is around 8,500 K (14,840 °F/8,230 °C). Compared to the Sun, its mass is about 2.3, its luminosity is about 15, and its diameter is roughly 1.7.

So I'm guessing a #70 sunscreen is advised on that planet.

100 yah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:09pm

re: #61 reine.de.tout
Now I see it - that is really amazing.

101 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:18pm

re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans

Got lots since it was lawn mowing day in the neighbourhood.

Far out, man, but not that kind. You know, reefer? Maryjane?

102 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:39pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh no you didn't!

Yes, and I was quite ashamed of myself for hitting post, for a second

103 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:39pm

"Only" 25 light years away. I wonder what the taxi fare would be?

104 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:48:54pm

Last thread "Faucet", this thread "Fomalhaut B". Is Charles "F"ing around?
/

105 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:12pm

re: #94 Shug

sulu did

He got the hot Green Fomalhaut Guy in the end......

Spock only gets horny once every 50 years, so they should just send him down there

106 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:39pm

re: #96 Desert Dog

Thank Charles, they're linked above.

107 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:40pm

re: #103 Crux Australis

"Only" 25 light years away. I wonder what the taxi fare would be?

I am sure that it would be less than the fare from O'Hare to the loop.

108 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:47pm

re: #67 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Maybe Kirk will get lucky and boink some green alien girl-thang on Fomalhaut-B

109 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:48pm

re: #52 lifeofthemind

One of my favorite movies.

110 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:49:55pm

re: #102 Shay4l

Yes, and I was quite ashamed of myself for hitting post, for a second

A whole second....wow ;)

111 VegasRick  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:20pm

re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh no you didn't!

I think she did (like it in the end that is)

112 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:24pm

re: #86 jcm

You need to be educated........

Are you sure that's not Obama's hotel suite after McCain conceded?

113 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:55pm

re: #97 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They'd play that intense "Kirk fighting Spock for the conniving Vulcan chick" music

114 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:50:59pm

re: #54 reine.de.tout

How were they able to pick out the planet within the dust ring?

That's amazing.

What they used to do, pre-computer, was to take two different negatives of the same area of the sky, and get them perfectly registered with each other. Then an operator would view them, while rapidly switching from one slide to the other and back. Any object that had moved between the two exposures would appear to be moving, while the fixed stars, were, well, fixed.

I'm sure they have automated systems to do that now.

115 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:51:17pm

re: #105 Desert Dog

Spock only gets horny once every 50 years, so they should just send him down there

And he can only do it one time, to boot!

116 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:04pm

Some find these formations inspiring but I consider their appeal somewhat nebulous at best.

117 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:08pm
118 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:11pm

re: #115 6pat6

And he can only do it one time, to boot!

That mind meld thing and the Vulcan knockout pinch would be cool....but getting laid once every 50 years is not what I would call a good deal.

119 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:15pm

re: #98 Caboose

Zoysa, creeping red fescue, Bermuda or St. Augstine? :-) (Haven't touched the other kind of weed since 1977, security clearances and all that, plus it just doesn't do anything for me that a good drink can't do the same.)

Is Acapulco Gold still available?

120 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:52:39pm

re: #117 taxfreekiller

oops
proctologist

Talking about President Elect Obama again, eh?

121 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:15pm

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

Talking about President Elect Obama again, eh?

No, a proctologist is up your ass with your permission...

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:42pm

re: #113 Shay4l

They'd play that intense "Kirk fighting Spock for the conniving Vulcan chick" music

Like this?....

123 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:55pm

Excuse me, my guests are here.

Have fun!

Thanks, Charles - it's a great picture.

124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:53:56pm

re: #104 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Last thread "Faucet", this thread "Fomalhaut B". Is Charles "F"ing around?
/

You're just being facetious, right?

125 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:13pm

re: #116 lifeofthemind

Some find these formations inspiring but I consider their appeal somewhat nebulous at best.

Oh no! it's starting! All the punsters will gravitate here from the faucet thread.

126 6pat6  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:16pm

re: #117 taxfreekiller

Never have figured out how a doctor-in-training wakes up one fine sunny morning and decides he wants to poke around in people's asses for a living! Right behind that is urology!

127 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:33pm

This pic rocks![Link: antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:39pm

re: #124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You're just being facetious, right?

or faucetious...

129 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:55pm

re: #125 Shay4l

Ha Ha I feel the power!

130 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:56pm

re: #103 Crux Australis

"Only" 25 light years away. I wonder what the taxi fare would be?

Standard City Rate (Rate Code 1)

$2.50 upon entry
$0.40 for each additional unit
The unit fare is:

one-fifth of a mile, when the taxicab is traveling at 6 miles an hour or more; or
60 seconds when not in motion or traveling at less than 12 miles per hour.
The taximeter shall combine fractional measures of distance and time in accruing a unit of fare. Any combination of distance or time shall be computed by the taximeter in accordance with the National Bureau of Standards.
The fare shall include pre-assessment of the unit currently being accrued; the amount due may therefore include a full unit charge for a final, fractional unit.
Night surcharge of $.50 after 8:00 PM & before 6:00 AM
Peak hour Weekday Surcharge of $1.00 Monday - Friday after 4:00 PM & before 8:00 PM


25 light years = 1.46962495 × 1014 miles
7.35x 1014 units

or about $294,000,000,002.50.

131 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:58pm
132 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:54:58pm

Wow, like cosmic...

133 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:26pm

I love science and I love G_d, but I don't like the two mixed together.

134 VegasRick  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:42pm

re: #113 Shay4l

They'd play that intense "Kirk fighting Spock for the conniving Vulcan chick" music

Mr. Zulu liked the green guy.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:55:57pm

re: #130 jcm


or about $294,000,000,002.50.

The cabbie'll be pissed when you run out on him though.

He'll need a bail out.

136 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:21pm

Interesting how almost all the star names are Arabic. At least Islam has made some positive contributions to the world.

137 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:42pm

re: #130 jcm


25 light years = 1.46962495 × 1014 miles
7.35x 1014 units

or about $294,000,000,002.50.

IOW, we could go three times for the eventual price of the "bailout".

138 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:43pm

re: #130 jcm

#103 Crux Australis


25 light years = 1.46962495 × 1014 miles
7.35x 1014 units

or about $294,000,000,002.50.

Wouldn't the wheels stop spinning if they have no traction, thus the meter would stop running?

139 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:56:46pm

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

Talking about President Elect Obama again, eh?

Don't be an ass.
/

140 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:57:30pm

re: #139 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Don't be an ass.
/

Why should I stop now?

141 bosforus  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:57:32pm

re: #5 gop_patriot

Very cool!

/"Fomalhaut B" sounds like something out of the Hitchhiker's Guide books. LOL

Sounds like a Vonnegut novel, too.

142 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:57:35pm

Saw a funny license plate frame today on a Saturn car. It said, "My Saturn can whip uranus." ;)

143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:57:54pm

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

or faucetious...

You're sinking to a new low with that.

144 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:58:14pm

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like this?....

THAT'S IT! That's the background music to the transgendered fist fight for the fate of the Star Trek galaxy!

Um. Post 97.

Yeah, that's it.

145 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:58:26pm

re: #142 poopeedoo

Saw a funny license plate frame today on a Saturn car. It said, "My Saturn can whip uranus." ;)

I saw one that said "Don't be a Uranus, buy a Saturn"

146 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:58:28pm

re: #103 Crux Australis

"Only" 25 light years away. I wonder what the taxi fare would be?

Using the standard NYC taxi cab fare of $2.50 for entry, plus $2.00/mile for 146,962,495,000,000 miles, that comes to $293,924,990,000,002.50 (That's almost 294 trillion dollars!).

You have to keep in mind, though, that there would be extra expenses, such as NASA launch fees, charges to cover room, board and food for yourself and the cab driver. Oh, and this is only a one way cost. They'd probably tack on extra fees for the return trip.

147 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:19pm

re: #138 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Wouldn't the wheels stop spinning if they have no traction, thus the meter would stop running?

You every ridden with a NYC cabbie?

148 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:26pm

re: #140 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why should I stop now?

By all means, continue! ; )

149 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:36pm

re: #130 jcm

So, in other words, it'd be cheaper over-all to hire a cab?

150 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:44pm

Do any of you Lizards know if Obama is supportive of NASA? For some reason I'm thinking he's not.

151 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 6:59:46pm

That is one weird planet - very big and very far from the star it's orbiting. I wonder how many Earth years it takes to complete one revolution around Fomalhaut?

152 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:00pm

re: #146 gmsc

Using the standard NYC taxi cab fare of $2.50 for entry, plus $2.00/mile for 146,962,495,000,000 miles, that comes to $293,924,990,000,002.50 (That's almost 294 trillion dollars!).

You have to keep in mind, though, that there would be extra expenses, such as NASA launch fees, charges to cover room, board and food for yourself and the cab driver. Oh, and this is only a one way cost. They'd probably tack on extra fees for the return trip.

Not to mention the unnecessary few circles around the nebula and the binary star that the cabbie will undoubtedly call "a short-cut, no problem, it is good"

153 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:06pm

re: #146 gmsc

I rounded up!

154 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:00:32pm

re: #145 Desert Dog

I saw one that said "Don't be a Uranus, buy a Saturn"

I would rewrite that one:

"Be smarter than Uranus, buy a Saturn"

155 notutopia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:01:05pm

Is there any significance to the dust ring not being completed and enclosed in the circle around the planet in the northernmost center quadrant ?
This is so amazing to view!

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:01:15pm

re: #145 Desert Dog

I saw one that said "Don't be a Uranus, buy a Saturn"

That joke is why they are re-naming Uranus. Going to be called "Urectum".

(Futurama joke)

157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:01:19pm

re: #142 poopeedoo

Saw a funny license plate frame today on a Saturn car. It said, "My Saturn can whip uranus." ;)

More proctologist jokes, wise ass? : )

158 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:01:38pm

re: #105 Desert Dog

He got the hot Green Fomalhaut Guy in the end......

Spock only gets horny once every 50 years, so they should just send him down there

Isn't it every 7 years? At least, that's what it is, according to this song from Voyager.

159 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:02:07pm

re: #113 Shay4l

They'd play that intense "Kirk fighting Spock for the conniving Vulcan chick" music

"Hrelka! The An-Woon!"

160 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:02:22pm

re: #154 stuiec

I would rewrite that one:

"Be smarter than Uranus, buy a Saturn"

Saturn makes a nice-looking car, but when it needs a ring job, you have to take it to an astronomer.

/rimshot

161 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:02:37pm

re: #157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

More proctologist jokes, wise ass? : )

Quit being so anal retentive! ;)

162 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:02:56pm

re: #150 Pvt Bin Jammin

Do any of you Lizards know if Obama is supportive of NASA? For some reason I'm thinking he's not.

I've read here that he's gonna' gut it.

163 VegasRick  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:03:21pm

re: #157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

More proctologist jokes, wise ass? : )

Difference between a stagecoach driver and a proctologist?

164 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:03:33pm

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That joke is why they are re-naming Uranus. Going to be called "Urectum".

(Futurama joke)

I remember that! It's all the funnier, as they're testing out the smell-a-scope in that scene.

/Futurama geek

165 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:01pm

25 light years away.
That means that tonight the astrnomer on Fomalhaut b is looking at us in the year 1983.

and he sees that shining city on a Hill in his telescope

166 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:02pm

re: #150 Pvt Bin Jammin

Do any of you Lizards know if Obama is supportive of NASA? For some reason I'm thinking he's not.

All the shooting shit into space and stuff is unproven.......

167 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:03pm

re: #150 Pvt Bin Jammin

Do any of you Lizards know if Obama is supportive of NASA? For some reason I'm thinking he's not.

Maybe they can put 17" gold rims on the shuttle's land gear and paint it purple.

///

168 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:12pm

re: #163 VegasRick

Difference between a stagecoach driver and a proctologist?

A proctologist works with more seats over his career?

169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:28pm

For no apparent reason...

170 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:43pm

re: #136 Crux Australis

Interesting how almost all the star names are Arabic. At least Islam has made some positive contributions to the world.

Your text to link...

A few very old star names originated among people who lived in the Arabian Peninsula more than a thousand years ago, before the rise of Islam. However, many Arabic language star names sprang up later in history, as translations of ancient Greek language descriptions. The astronomer Claudius Ptolemy, who lived almost two thousand years ago in Alexandria, Egypt, collected ancient descriptions of 1,025 stars in a book called The Great System of Astronomy, published around the year 150 A.D. Ptolemy's book was translated into Arabic in the 8th and 9th centuries and became famous under its shortened Arabic title, the Almagest. Many of the Arabic-language star descriptions in the Almagest came to be used widely as names for stars.

171 moe katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:04:54pm

An Epigram of Martial: On Chloe's Beauty (VIII.54)

Chloe, your beauty makes me ache, yet you constantly refuse me;
I wish you were less beautiful -- or less choosy.

172 VegasRick  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:03pm

re: #168 gmsc

A proctologist works with more seats over his career?

Stagecoach driver only has to look at one asshole all day!

173 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:14pm

omg is this a butt thread?

174 CharlieBravo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:14pm

Shining at 1st magnitude in the southern constellation Piscis Austrinus, Fomalhaut, usually pronounced "fo-ma-low", is the 18th brightest star in the night sky.

How the heck did I get by b4 copy/paste?

175 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:24pm

re: #162 MandyManners

I thought so. Da*n.

176 victor_yugo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:26pm

Earlier today, someone posted an image of the Korean Peninsula at night.

Here's a full-Earth view. And the Korean Peninsula isn't difficult to pick out.

177 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:05:45pm

Big far away planets happen.

Jupiter is I believe classified by some as not so much a planet as a failed proto-star. That should be good for sub-threads on Orson Welles and Star Quest.

178 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:06:10pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

omg is this a butt thread?

The girly men will be all a'twitter if it is.

179 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:06:14pm

re: #161 FurryOldGuyJeans

Quit being so anal retentive! ;)

Butt I'm trying not to be!

180 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:06:24pm

since it started with a comment about an eye and it ended with a comment about a proctologist, I present

181 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:07:38pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

omg is this a butt thread?

The next will be a T&A thread.

182 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:07:53pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

omg is this a butt thread?

I'd ass-ume it is if I were you.

183 VegasRick  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:08:00pm

re: #181 MandyManners

The next will be a T&A thread.

That's my line!

184 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:08:23pm

re: #180 Shug

*whack*

185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:08:40pm

re: #172 VegasRick

Stagecoach driver only has to look at one asshole all day!

What if the coach is being pulled by two horses?

186 Kulhwch  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:11pm

re: #4 OldLineTexan

Is that name an Asimov reference? I swear it is.

Yup.  Pebble In The Sky.

}:)     [Bet the master would be proud.]

187 VegasRick  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:27pm

See ya all later!

188 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:29pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

omg is this a butt thread?

Butt...butt...Clinton!

/3 butts in a row, Tic-Tac-Toe!

189 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:32pm

re: #181 MandyManners

The next will be a T&A thread.

Hey, Barbie, wanna go for a ride?

190 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:09:57pm

If you want to know the story behind my username. My interest and love of Astronomy is the reason.

191 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:10:01pm

re: #185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

What if the coach is being pulled by two horses?

Most commercial stages used 4 horses, not one or two. (No, no linkie because that is school trivia from the 1960's)

192 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:10:39pm

re: #181 MandyManners

The next will be a T&A thread.

*grimace*

193 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:10:54pm

re: #136 Crux Australis

Interesting how almost all the star names are Arabic. At least Islam has made some positive contributions to the world.

But they didn't name the constellation Crux Australis or its constitutent stars, possibly because they were too afraid of falling off the edge of the world to sail that far south.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:11:00pm

re: #189 gmsc

I'm thinking. Just can't seem to come up with a song that is worse than that one.

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:11:34pm

re: #192 gop_patriot

*grimace*

Wasn't that a McDonald Land character?

196 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:01pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm thinking. Just can't seem to come up with a song that is worse than that one.

How about the Ugly Girl version of it?

197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:15pm

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

Most commercial stages used 4 horses, not one or two. (No, no linkie because that is school trivia from the 1960's)

Maybe the 4 horse ones were the equivalent of flying first class. I wonder if Wells Fargo gave complimentary drinks?

198 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:26pm

re: #173 gop_patriot

omg is this a butt thread?

I need TP for my bunghole!

199 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:34pm

re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans

Most commercial stages used 4 horses, not one or two. (No, no linkie because that is school trivia from the 1960's)

But what about the movies with teams of 6 or 8 horses?

More horsepower?

Rigged for her enjoyment? (oh boy...!)

200 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:36pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't that a McDonald Land character?

Yep, he had several arms to carry the shakes he loved so much!

201 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:12:44pm

South America looks like Charles DeGaulle in profile.

202 notutopia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:14pm

re: #190 Crux Australis

Can you explain my question in post #155 please?
Thank you.

203 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:23pm

re: #198 Rancher

I need TP for my bunghole!

"My people, They were poor! When I was growing up, we had no bungholes!"

204 Crusty  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:39pm

Let's see, a single white dot overwhelmed by black and outnumbered by reds.

They should have named it John McCain.

205 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:45pm

re: #201 wolfie

South America looks like Charles DeGaulle in profile.

hahahah so it does!

206 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:13:55pm

ha ha ha .

Freezing heat in October

al gores chief clientology stooge gets his data all wrong. claims hottest october ever...since he used the data from August for the last 3 months!

207 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:09pm

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Maybe the 4 horse ones were the equivalent of flying first class. I wonder if Wells Fargo gave complimentary drinks?

They probably passed a crock of red-eye around the cabin of the coach and everyone took a swig. Prevents snakebite, don't you know?

208 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:09pm

re: #189 gmsc

Hey, Barbie, wanna go for a ride?

Dang, I had happily forgotten that song existed.

/Rene, Soren, and Claus, ROTFLOL

209 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:15pm

re: #201 wolfie

South America looks like Charles DeGaulle in profile.

To me, Africa looks like a neanderthal skull.

210 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:35pm

re: #190 Crux Australis

If you want to know the story behind my username. My interest and love of Astronomy is the reason.

When you see the Southern Cross
For the first time
You understand now
Why you came this way
'Cause the truth you might be runnin' from
Is so small.
But it's as big as the promise
The promise of a comin' day.
So I'm sailing for tomorrow
My dreams are a dyin'.
And my love is an anchor tied to you
Tied with a silver chain.
I have my ship
And all her flags are a flyin'
She is all that I have left
And music is her name.

211 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:14:44pm

re: #199 SteveC

But what about the movies with teams of 6 or 8 horses?

More horsepower?

Rigged for her enjoyment? (oh boy...!)

That started after the horses unionized.

212 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:15:07pm

re: #198 Rancher

I need TP for my bunghole!

I am so not clicking that link. lol

213 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:15:17pm

And Africa looks a bit cro-magnan, looking at Australia.

214 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:15:23pm

re: #211 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That started after the horses unionized.

the shuttle engines last night had 35 million horsepower

215 Wishing  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:16:19pm

re: #209 Dianna

To me, Africa looks like a neanderthal skull.

GMTA #213

216 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:16:34pm

re: #214 Shug

the shuttle engines last night had 35 million horsepower

How did they get the horses to fly? Was it Pegasus power?

217 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:16:45pm

Lots and lots and lots of ammo expended.........

218 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:17:20pm

re: #211 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That started after the horses unionized.

If the horses are unionized, did how did that scene in The Godfather happen? Did someone forget to look for the union label?

219 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:18:20pm

re: #212 gop_patriot

I am so not clicking that link. lol

Even better - the origin of Cornholio!

220 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:18:25pm

re: #214 Shug

the shuttle engines last night had 35 million horsepower

NASCAR pit crew?

221 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:18:29pm

re: #218 SteveC

If the horses are unionized, did how did that scene in The Godfather happen? Did someone forget to look for the union label?

That was undoubtedly a "scab" horse that crossed the picket lines!

222 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:18:34pm

re: #209 Dianna

re: #213 Wishing

Why, yes! I see what you mean!
First Charles DeGaulle and then a caveman of some kind......both facing east.

223 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:18:39pm

re: #214 Shug

the shuttle engines last night had 35 million horsepower

Union thugs!

225 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:19:03pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't that a McDonald Land character?

Yes! hahaha

226 Silhouette  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:19:23pm

re: #220 SteveC

NASCAR pit crew?

They should use a pit crew when servicing a satellite in space.

3.8 seconds, and then heading for home!

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:19:27pm

re: #217 jcm

That looks fun and frustrating at the same time.

Marriage?

228 Dianna  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #222 wolfie

re: #213 Wishing

Why, yes! I see what you mean!
First Charles DeGaulle and then a caveman of some kind......both facing east.

Look to the east and see where the fat stock hide...

229 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:22pm

Why was the width of the Shuttle's solid rocket boosters determined by two horse's asses?

230 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:22pm

re: #210 OldLineTexan

I have seen the Southern Cross from the Signal Bridge of a Cruiser after the Midwatch off the coast of Australia. It is hard to imagine an athiest at sea.

231 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:20:48pm

re: #226 Silhouette

They should use a pit crew when servicing a satellite in space.

3.8 seconds, and then heading for home!


The shuttle is like a nascar car

It's loud
It's fast
Goes around in circles.
Then they say stop.
It ends up right where it took off.

232 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:21:00pm

re: #216 Desert Dog

How did they get the horses to fly? Was it Pegasus power?

No, THIS is Pegasus Power!

233 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:21:24pm

re: #219 gmsc

Even better - the origin of Cornholio!

Ah yes, but when I hover over that link, I see the url in the lower bar on my browser window. The words Beavis, and Butthead are there, so I don't click.

X)

234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:21:42pm

re: #216 Desert Dog

How did they get the horses to fly? Was it Pegasus power?

My four year old nephew asked a few months ago what was in a package in the meat department, and I said pigs feet. He asked me how the pigs could walk without their feet.

235 Silhouette  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:21:43pm

I'm sorry, I can't post. I'm crying too hard.

Michael Vick lives in a prison in Kansas, making 12 cents an hour while plotting his return to the NFL. His houses and farms will soon be gone, the two yachts are history, and he’s down to his last couple of Range Rovers.

A race horse he bought for $60,000 died of colic, the Atlanta Falcons are still trying to hit him up for millions they paid him, and the IRS and the state of Georgia want nearly $1 million in back taxes.

Anyone need to borrow a tissue?

236 ggt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:21:53pm

Hello Evening Lizards! It was cold and gray in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today.

I haven't been on consistently lately. Have there been any discussions on the historoy of or latitude the POTUS has in giving Executive Orders. I haven't read this entire page, but it has sparked my interest.

How are you-all and what are we talking about.

237 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:22:03pm

Yeah but try today's APOD, ARP 273 - colliding galaxies.

Have doubts about evolution? Get a cosmic perspective on the time and space in which the real universe happens. Stuff happens in nature that takes millions and billions of years. If you can't handle it, tough tachyons.

238 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:22:25pm

re: #202 notutopia

Can you explain my question in post #155 please?
Thank you.

The Hubble uses an occulting bar, a small piece of metal wire, to block the brightest part of the image (which has also been digitally subtracted). The gap in the ring is probably where the occulting bar crosses the image.

239 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:22:34pm

re: #229 Rancher

Why was the width of the Shuttle's solid rocket boosters determined by two horse's asses?

Short answer: It didn't.

240 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:22:44pm

re: #219 gmsc

Even better - the origin of Cornholio!

My God...is that Bill Ayers teaching in that video?

241 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:22:54pm

re: #226 Silhouette

They should use a pit crew when servicing a satellite in space.

3.8 seconds, and then heading for home!

"Well the NASA Home Depot Eastmont Chevrolet Shuttle was really doing well, but we got caught up in that big pile up in turn four. Anderson got loose right in front of us and there was nowhere to go. Crying shame, we were running so good, I thought we'd have a chance at the end."

242 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:23:01pm

re: #202 notutopia

Can you explain my question in post #155 please?
Thank you.

It's probably a photographic "relic" in the camera or the person who artificially "eclipsed" the star didn't do a proper job. Notice that the star has a "coronagraph mask".

I wouldn't be too concerned.

243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:23:04pm

re: #218 SteveC

If the horses are unionized, did how did that scene in The Godfather happen? Did someone forget to look for the union label?

Steve- "The Godfather" was A MOVIE!
/

244 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:23:20pm

re: #225 gop_patriot

Yes! hahaha

Grimace was once evil? Was my whole childhood a lie? I'm so confused.

245 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:24:13pm

re: #234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My four year old nephew asked a few months ago what was in a package in the meat department, and I said pigs feet. He asked me how the pigs could walk without their feet.

Prosthetics

246 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:24:14pm

Fun fact: It takes Formalhaut b 872 years to complete an orbit around Formalhaut.

247 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:24:27pm

re: #215 Wishing

GMTA #213


Hmmm.... to me Africa resembles a person (in profile) with a big butt standing up, but the portion of the picture above the waist has been removed.

248 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:25:27pm

re: #244 Bloodnok

Grimace was once evil? Was my whole childhood a lie? I'm so confused.

You must be younger than me - I could never get used to Grimace being a good guy!

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:25:31pm

re: #235 Silhouette

After all this time in prison, he can probably try out for wide receiver.

250 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:25:59pm

re: #243 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Steve- "The Godfather" was A MOVIE!
/

NOW they tell me! ;)

251 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:26:14pm

re: #240 OldLineTexan

My God...is that Bill Ayers teaching in that video?

The resemblance is even spookier if you listen to what the teacher is saying!

252 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #244 Bloodnok

Grimace was once evil? Was my whole childhood a lie? I'm so confused.

Naa, it's the Hamburglar that you have to watch out for...

253 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:26:28pm

re: #235 Silhouette

I think not.


Yet what a shame that so great a talent should be wasted on so small a man.

254 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:26:45pm

re: #246 Basho

Fun fact: It takes Formalhaut b 872 years to complete an orbit around Formalhaut.

So if you live to .09 you've lived a pretty long life on Formalhaut b,

255 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:02pm

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

After all this time in prison, he can probably try out for wide receiver.

Look after he completes his term in prison he will have paid his due to society. He did something bad, he is paying for it... time to move on.

256 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:23pm

re: #246 Basho

Fun fact: It takes Formalhaut b 872 years to complete an orbit around Formalhaut.

Interesting. That's about how long it will take us to recover from four years of BOzo running the show in DC.

257 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:43pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

So if you live to .09 you've lived a pretty long life on Formalhaut b,

I think if you live at all for any length of time on that lovely Planet, you are doing pretty good.

258 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:47pm

Tech Puts JFK Conspiracy Theories to Rest

I question the timing and smell a conspiracy.
~/

259 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:27:53pm

re: #254 Bloodnok

So if you live to .09 you've lived a pretty long life on Formalhaut b,

Trivia: No Formalhautian has ever written or sang the song "Happy Birthday."

260 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:24pm

re: #181 MandyManners

The next will be a T&A thread.

Hope not.

261 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:24pm

re: #236 ggt

Good evening to you, ggt!
We are talking about astronomy, Barbie & Ken, DeGaulle's caveman fixation, and a tissue surplus.

262 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #241 SteveC

"Well the NASA Home Depot Eastmont Chevrolet Shuttle was really doing well, but we got caught up in that big pile up in turn four. Anderson got loose right in front of us and there was nowhere to go. Crying shame, we were running so good, I thought we'd have a chance at the end."

LOL

263 CharlieBravo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:32pm

Creation ~ Evolution ---- oyyyy, headache. Lets just compromise and say evolution is a form of creation... or the other way around. Whichever floats the proverbial boat.

Don't mind me, I just like to simplify stuff. Either that or ignore it completely.

264 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:28:33pm

re: #248 gmsc

You must be younger than me - I could never get used to Grimace being a good guy!

He lost the extra arms too. Evolution in action!

265 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:16pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel

But they didn't name the constellation Crux Australis or its constitutent stars, possibly because they were too afraid of falling off the edge of the world to sail that far south.

I'm so far south that it seems like it is the edge of the world. Only about 60 million of the 6.7 billion people on the planet live south of where I live in Sydney.

266 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:19pm

re: #259 SteveC

Trivia: No Formalhautian has ever written or sang the song "Happy Birthday."

For copyright reasons, of course...

267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:32pm

re: #255 shanec99

Well, I guess you're right. Just seems to me that what he was doing was more evil than illegal. Just don't know how you pay for being evil.

268 ggt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:32pm

re: #261 wolfie

Hey wolfie!

Tissue Surplus --well, My Advice is to NOT TURN 40.

Tissue Surplus comes with age.

269 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:29:33pm

re: #264 Bloodnok

He lost the extra arms too. Evolution in action!

Nah - he was designed that way!
;)

270 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:08pm

re: #253 wolfie

I think not.


Yet what a shame that so great a talent should be wasted on so small a man.

God can use all of us, even the most terrible sinner. God grants us forgiveness and when we were children we were taught to pray the Lords Prayer... a part of it says forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us.
The guy has paid his dues... its time to forgive and move on.

271 notutopia  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:09pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel
Most grateful! : )
Fomalhaut at a distance of about 18 billion km (11 billion miles). That’s four times the distance of Neptune from the Sun.
It takes 872 years to make one complete orbit.
The mass is not easy to determine, and is estimated using its effect on the ring; it’s likely to be about the same size and mass as Jupiter.

272 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:43pm

re: #261 wolfie

Good evening to you, ggt!
We are talking about astronomy, Barbie & Ken, DeGaulle's caveman fixation, and a tissue surplus.

If we're talking about a tissue surplus, how come Cornholio still needs TP for his bunghole?

273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:30:45pm

re: #252 Desert Dog

Naa, it's the Hamburglar that you have to watch out for...

Didn't Mayor McCheese do time in the joint for taking bribes?

274 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:15pm

re: #258 solomonpanting

Tech Puts JFK Conspiracy Theories to Rest

I question the timing and smell a conspiracy.
~/

I was having a discussion with a vendor, he asked me who I thought killed JKF, because I think Oswald did and operated alone, he said I need to get the big picture of what's really going on.

He voted Obama.

275 Geepers  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:36pm

Shug (#214),

the shuttle engines last night had 35 million horsepower

Econobox compared to the 190 million the Saturn V put out.

276 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:42pm

re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I guess you're right. Just seems to me that what he was doing was more evil than illegal. Just don't know how you pay for being evil.

If you are unwilling to forgive, then do you or the people you love deserve forgiveness?

277 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:31:59pm

re: #273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't Mayor McCheese do time in the joint for taking bribes?

No, it was smokin' crack with a Ho in the hotel......oops, no, sorry, that was Marion Berry....

278 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:21pm

re: #273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't Mayor McCheese do time in the joint for taking bribes?

All this talk of McDonaldland reminds me of those Krofft shows like Lidsville!

279 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:44pm

re: #234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My four year old nephew asked a few months ago what was in a package in the meat department, and I said pigs feet. He asked me how the pigs could walk without their feet.

Did he look at a cow's tongue and ask if the cow could still moo?

280 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:32:47pm

re: #28 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Thank a Muslim.
/

Fomalhaut b is the 147,298,429,771st holiest place in Islam.

/

281 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:02pm

re: #252 Desert Dog

Naa, it's the Hamburglar that you have to watch out for...

He's harmless since he keeps getting sauced.

282 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:14pm

re: #275 Geepers

Shug (#214),

Econobox compared to the 190 million the Saturn V put out.

No CAFE standards back then...

283 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:16pm

re: #273 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Didn't Mayor McCheese do time in the joint for taking bribes?

No. It was a damn shame what the press did to him during his failed vice presidential bid on the Birdie the Early Bird ticket. "Just a small town mayor" my ass...

284 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:23pm

re: #258 solomonpanting

Tech Puts JFK Conspiracy Theories to Rest

I question the timing and smell a conspiracy.
~/

Great find!

285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:26pm

re: #258 solomonpanting

Tech Puts JFK Conspiracy Theories to Rest

I question the timing and smell a conspiracy.
~/

Going the other direction totally from my Michael Vick opinions...

How awful must it be to be a Kennedy when those films are shown. And dissected, and shown again, and blown up, and shown in slo-mo.

Must be an awful experience.

286 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:42pm

re: #280 Fat Jolly Penguin

Fomalhaut b is the 147,298,429,771st holiest place in Islam.

/

Good Lord... that is terrible.

287 CharlieBravo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:33:52pm

re: #214 Shug

the shuttle engines last night had 35 million horsepower

Talk about a lota horse butts...

288 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:34:32pm

re: #270 shanec99

True.

289 Bobblehead  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:34:43pm

You can spend hours browsing through the Hubble site picture gallery. This one is particularly beautiful: Sombrero Galaxy in infrared light

290 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:35:12pm

re: #274 jcm

I was having a discussion with a vendor, he asked me who I thought killed JKF, because I think Oswald did and operated alone, he said I need to get the big picture of what's really going on.

He voted Obama.

Of course he did. You should have told him Obama is a conspiracy, point him to Obama's background and tell him to understand the big picture.

291 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:35:24pm

And next on the Goverment Bailout is, (drum roll please)The Technology Industry

292 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:35:50pm

re: #270 shanec99

God can use all of us, even the most terrible sinner. God grants us forgiveness and when we were children we were taught to pray the Lords Prayer... a part of it says forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us.
The guy has paid his dues... its time to forgive and move on.

He has scarcely begun to pay his dues; only a few months in prison so far, IIRC. And until such time as he admits to wrongdoing and demonstrates sincere repentance, his dues will remain unpaid.

293 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:35:56pm

re: #278 gmsc

All this talk of McDonaldland reminds me of those Krofft shows like Lidsville!

or HR Puffinstuff

294 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:18pm

re: #268 ggt

Hey wolfie!

Tissue Surplus --well, My Advice is to NOT TURN 40.

Tissue Surplus comes with age.

When you get really old, you begin to tuck a tissue in your sweater cuff each morning ~ like my nana did. :)

295 pat  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:18pm

Righteous

296 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:33pm

re: #293 SteveC

or HR Puffinstuff

Witchey-Poo!

297 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:38pm

re: #280 Fat Jolly Penguin

Fomalhaut b is the 147,298,429,771st holiest place in Islam.

/

Muslim: All other religions that worship idols are wrong.
Hume: In what way?
M: They bow down to lumps of rock. Can't you see that's wrong?
H: And when *you* pray, what do *you* pray to?
M: We pray to Allah!
H: So since Allah is everywhere, it doesn't matter which way you face?
M: We must face Mecca.
H: And if you're *in* Mecca, which way do you face?
M: We face the Ka'abah
H: And what *is* the Ka'abah?
M: It's this huge rock...

298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:36:39pm

re: #293 SteveC

or HR Puffinstuff

Goodness gracious...we talked about this exact subject the other day...

299 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:37:02pm

re: #289 Bobblehead

You can spend hours browsing through the Hubble site picture gallery. This one is particularly beautiful: Sombrero Galaxy in infrared light

That's the globular clusters galaxy.

300 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:37:16pm

re: #279 poopeedoo

Did he look at a cow's tongue and ask if the cow could still moo?

LOL, he didn't see those I guess.

301 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #278 gmsc

All this talk of McDonaldland reminds me of those Krofft shows like Lidsville!

It's the koo koo kookiest!

302 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:38:02pm

re: #296 Desert Dog

Witchey-Poo!

Did you know that Billie Hayes, the woman that played Witchie-Poo, is still alive? She even runs her own website!

303 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:38:51pm

OT:
Kevin Trudeau has been banned from making infomercials for three years! I no longer have to see that con-artist on my TV 15 times a minute as I flip through the channels.
[Link: www.randi.org...]

304 Silhouette  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:09pm

re: #270 shanec99

I appreciate the sentiment and I try to be forgiving, but he is paying his debt now for dog fighting.

But his bigger crime is taking all that God-given talent, all the training he received from others who worked hard, and all the advantages of life and throwing it away. That's what I'm angry at him about.

305 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:16pm

re: #263 CharlieBravo

Creation ~ Evolution ---- oyyyy, headache. Lets just compromise and say evolution is a form of creation... or the other way around. Whichever floats the proverbial boat.

Don't mind me, I just like to simplify stuff. Either that or ignore it completely.

To simplify is often to reveal the truth of something. To me, the conflict revolves around presumptions about the chronology implied by ancient writings. Why Bishop Wilberforce's view, an 18th -19th century theologian should have the slightest relevance in the debate today, even among Christians, I can't imagine. If one uses ones "whole mind", what do we do with thing we learn about the creastion?

306 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:24pm

re: #302 gmsc

I loved that show....that, and the Banana Splits......and an old cheesy Japanese show called "Ultraman".....so bad, they are good

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:39:54pm

re: #303 Basho

OT:
Kevin Trudeau has been banned from making infomercials for three years! I no longer have to see that con-artist on my TV 15 times a minute as I flip through the channels.
[Link: www.randi.org...]

99? Is it okay if I wish the same fate on Billy Mays?

308 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:40:11pm

re: #288 wolfie

True.

All of us sometimes need to be reminded that charity and forgiveness are among the qualities that Christ commanded us to demonstrate in our daily interactions with other. We forget that Christ asked us to do unto others as we would have them do unto us.
If we could forgive, then our world would be a much kinder place.
Unfortunately many of us are more likely to adhere to the principle of an eye for an eye.
The only problem with that principle is that eventually the whole world will be blind.

309 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:40:24pm

re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going the other direction totally from my Michael Vick opinions...

How awful must it be to be a Kennedy when those films are shown. And dissected, and shown again, and blown up, and shown in slo-mo.

Must be an awful experience.

F*** the Kennedys, all of them. They all knew about Obama's years long friendship with Ayers and Ayers' dedicating his book to RFK's killer Sirhan Sirhan, and it didn't bother them a bit.

310 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:41:02pm

At first glance, this looks like an extremely wide orbit.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:41:03pm

re: #309 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Dude...

312 astronmr20  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:41:32pm

re: #309 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

F*** the Kennedys, all of them. They all knew about Obama's years long friendship with Ayers and Ayers' dedicating his book to RFK's killer Sirhan Sirhan, and it didn't bother them a bit.

Indeed.

313 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:42:22pm

re: #306 Desert Dog

Haven't thought about the Banana Splits in um, um, um... "years". ;)

314 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:42:33pm

re: #290 solomonpanting

Of course he did. You should have told him Obama is a conspiracy, point him to Obama's background and tell him to understand the big picture.

I asked him if he knew who Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinksy and Raul Odinga were..... never heard of them.

I asked if he knew the orgins of "spread the wealth around" no clue.

But in his world I'm clueless because I think Oswald acted alone (based on the evidence and materials available).

Strange world we live in

315 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:42:39pm

re: #303 Basho

OT:
Kevin Trudeau has been banned from making infomercials for three years! I no longer have to see that con-artist on my TV 15 times a minute as I flip through the channels.
[Link: www.randi.org...]

My ex bought all his books. She's such a chump.

316 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:43:13pm

re: #280 Fat Jolly Penguin

Fomalhaut b is the 147,298,429,771st holiest place in Islam.

/

Let's see 'em try to pray toward Mecca from that planet!

317 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:43:22pm

re: #292 Alberta Oil Peon

He has scarcely begun to pay his dues; only a few months in prison so far, IIRC. And until such time as he admits to wrongdoing and demonstrates sincere repentance, his dues will remain unpaid.

OK Alberta keep up the hate and the anger... under the guidelines of our system once he has served his time he will have paid his dues to society. You have a choice as far as I see it, to condemn a man because you have a standard that you believe he has not met, or you can forgive him and pray that he will make better decisions in future.

It's your choice.
Where I come from, the Bible tells me that even when Christ was on the cross he forgave a sinner.

318 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:03pm

Hong Kong Phooey!

319 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:06pm

re: #239 gmsc

From your link:
"True, but for trivial and unremarkable reasons."

Longer answer.

320 Shug  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:32pm

re: #303 Basho

OT:
Kevin Trudeau has been banned from making infomercials for three years! I no longer have to see that con-artist on my TV 15 times a minute as I flip through the channels.
[Link: www.randi.org...]


I just saw him this morning with his new book.
Big Credit card is ripping people off. His secret : pay it off earlier. You save on interest.

My Blood pressure goes sky high when I see this fraud.

321 LeePro  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:45pm

re: #310 astronmr20

At first glance, this looks like an extremely wide orbit.

At first glance...

...looks to me like someone's in dire need of Preparation H.

/

322 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:44:52pm

re: #318 SteveC

Hong Kong Phooey!

Didn't he have a side kick?

323 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:45:12pm

I've seen cons get less time for murder than Vic got for dog fighting.

324 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:45:34pm

re: #313 poopeedoo

Haven't thought about the Banana Splits in um, um, um... "years". ;)

I saw some of those but not enough to figure out what was going out with the shipwrecked people in one of their segments.
It came on as I was outgrowing cartoons, and was spending times doing other things than watching Saturday morning shows.
But I never outgrew Looney Tunes or Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Anyone else from the Boston area remember Rex Trailer, Major Mudd, or Big Brother (Bob Emery)?

325 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:46:07pm

re: #306 Desert Dog

I loved that show....that, and the Banana Splits

/you're going to hell for that you know

326 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:46:24pm

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dude...

They're liberals. They put politics above everything else. I have no mercy for them. When one of the Kennedys comes out and denounces Obama's association with Ayers they'll get my respect. Until then, no way.

327 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:46:47pm

re: #314 jcm

Strange world we live in

Yep, and as someone once said

"You ain't seen nuttin' yet."

328 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:47:01pm

re: #306 Desert Dog

I loved that show....that, and the Banana Splits......and an old cheesy Japanese show called "Ultraman".....so bad, they are good

I loved Ultraman - a station in Maryland (TV 20, if I recall) used to have a great afterschool line-up: Batman, Ultraman, Speed Racer, and Kimba The White Lion!

I never cared for the Banana Splits show as a whole, but I always watched in case they had my favorite segment on - The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (That's "Lurch" - Ted Cassidy - as Injun Joe!). I thought it was so cool because it mixed live-action and animation.

Cool - There's even full episodes of it on the web (Son of the Sun: Part 1, Part 2)

329 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:47:03pm

re: #304 Silhouette

I appreciate the sentiment and I try to be forgiving, but he is paying his debt now for dog fighting.

But his bigger crime is taking all that God-given talent, all the training he received from others who worked hard, and all the advantages of life and throwing it away. That's what I'm angry at him about.

Well you know... you can be as angry as you want to be... he is an athlete and entertainer. A very talented person... I believe that if God can use a woman "with many husbands" or a man who was responsible for stoning Christians then he can use others as talented as Vic in ways you or I don't understand.
Please be a bit more charitable and forgiving. If you can't well... God be with you.

330 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:47:46pm

Overture, curtain, lights,
This is it, the night of nights
No more rehearsing and nursing our parts
We know every part by heart
Overture, curtain, lights
This is it, we'll hit the heights
And oh what heights we'll hit
On with the show this is it

Tonight what heights we'll hit
On with the show this is it.

331 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:18pm

re: #320 Shug

I just saw him this morning with his new book.
Big Credit card is ripping people off. His secret : pay it off earlier. You save on interest.

My Blood pressure goes sky high when I see this fraud.

Give him credit for that since it's true. And so damn obvious that if you need to buy a book to learn that you should stick to paying with cash.

332 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:27pm

re: #318 SteveC

Hong Kong Phooey!

Scatman Crothers will always be greatly missed!

333 sadhu  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:39pm

SoCal fires -- ABC7 raw video feed for best helicopter coverage/commentary
[Link: ping.fm...]

334 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:47pm

re: #317 shanec99

OK Alberta keep up the hate and the anger... under the guidelines of our system once he has served his time he will have paid his dues to society. You have a choice as far as I see it, to condemn a man because you have a standard that you believe he has not met, or you can forgive him and pray that he will make better decisions in future.

It's your choice.
Where I come from, the Bible tells me that even when Christ was on the cross he forgave a sinner.

I'm not ruling out forgiveness, but sincere repentance is indeed a prerequisite. I make no claim to be a Christian, so I don't have to try to hold myself to a standard that's impossible for all but Him.

335 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:53pm

re: #310 astronmr20

At first glance, this looks like an extremely wide orbit.

This NASA article tells a lot about it.

336 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:48:54pm

re: #323 Rancher

I've seen cons get less time for murder than Vic got for dog fighting.

Criminal sentencing in the US has become extremely punitive in recent decades. Not sure what all the reasons are for that, but I suspect having most criminal justice at the state level - as opposed to our Canadian system, where it's a federal matter - plays a big role.

337 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:49:03pm

re: #326 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Since Ted's the current patriarch of that clan, he needs to share his vision....

338 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:49:13pm

re: #328 gmsc

I loved Ultraman - a station in Maryland (TV 20, if I recall) used to have a great afterschool line-up: Batman, Ultraman, Speed Racer, and Kimba The White Lion!

I never cared for the Banana Splits show as a whole, but I always watched in case they had my favorite segment on - The New Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (That's "Lurch" - Ted Cassidy - as Injun Joe!). I thought it was so cool because it mixed live-action and animation.

Cool - There's even full episodes of it on the web (Son of the Sun: Part 1, Part 2)

My older boys loved the original Power Rangers when they started out in the 90's. I was always telling them about Ultraman.....It would be good to be 7 again.

339 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:50:14pm

re: #338 Desert Dog

Those Mighty Barfin' Power Rangers....

340 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:50:44pm

re: #332 gmsc

Scatman Crothers will always be greatly missed!

What a shame.

/and yet Jack Nicholson never spent a day in prison for his murder

341 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:50:46pm

re: #316 Macker

Let's see 'em try to pray toward Mecca from that planet!

Aren't those the Whirling Deverishes?

342 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:13pm

re: #338 Desert Dog

...It would be good to be 7 again.

It would be good to be seven again... and not have to worry about this big steamin' shit sandwich we made for ourselves. :(

343 itellu3times  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:43pm

re: #333 sadhu

SoCal fires -- ABC7 raw video feed for best helicopter coverage/commentary
[Link: ping.fm...]

Bad news in Yorba Linda.

344 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:51pm

re: #323 Rancher

I've seen cons get less time for murder than Vic got for dog fighting.

Even so, what he did something terrible, and he paid his price. Time to forgive and move on.

Its funny how some among us will scream forever about Vic who killed dogs, but not bat an eye at people who defraud old people of thier life savings and leave them penniless, these people end up eating dog food and making choices about paying for heat in the winter. Some of them freeze to death.
The same people who want Vic put under the jail don't have one word of condemnation for the white collar criminal who cause much more human misery.

345 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:51:59pm

re: #337 Macker

Since Ted's the current patriarch of that clan, he needs to share his vision....

Rather than saying "no comments have been submitted yet" they should have said "Mary Jo was unavailable to comment".

346 Basho  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:05pm

re: #320 Shug

I just saw him this morning with his new book.
Big Credit card is ripping people off. His secret : pay it off earlier. You save on interest.

Shhhhh.... THEY don't want you to know about it.

347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:06pm

re: #330 SteveC

Oh, we're the boys of the chorus / We hope you like our show / We know you're rooting for us / But now we have to go!

348 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:16pm

re: #339 Macker

We waited in a line at some Karate place in Chandler for 5 hours to meet The Red Ranger and the Pink Ranger. It was the most important event in my kids life up to that point....That is all they talked about for months. They still have the pictures of them posing with the Rangers and they are both nearing 20 years old now.

349 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:52:29pm

re: #341 jcm

Aren't those the Whirling Deverishes?

Damfino.

350 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:53:28pm

re: #340 Killian Bundy

What a shame.

/and yet Jack Nicholson never spent a day in prison for his murder

Huh?

351 Kenneth  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:53:53pm

Geek Thread!

Copernicus gave his reply
To those who had pledged to deny.
"All your addictions
To ancient convictions
Won't bring back your place in the sky."

352 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:54:07pm

re: #348 Desert Dog

We waited in a line at some Karate place in Chandler for 5 hours to meet The Red Ranger and the Pink Ranger. It was the most important event in my kids life up to that point....That is all they talked about for months. They still have the pictures of them posing with the Rangers and they are both nearing 20 years old now.

Please tell me they didn't pose with this guy....

353 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #334 Alberta Oil Peon

I'm not ruling out forgiveness, but sincere repentance is indeed a prerequisite. I make no claim to be a Christian, so I don't have to try to hold myself to a standard that's impossible for all but Him.

How do you know the man has not repented... have you looked into his heart? Good lord.

354 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:54:12pm

How about the Bugaloos... Talk about corny!

Youtube Video

355 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:54:27pm

re: #350 MandyManners

The Shining.....Jack took an axe to Scat......

356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:19pm

re: #336 Moe Katz

Criminal sentencing in the US has become extremely punitive in recent decades. Not sure what all the reasons are for that, but I suspect having most criminal justice at the state level - as opposed to our Canadian system, where it's a federal matter - plays a big role.

Moe- That's because they finally figured out that 80% of the crimes were being committed by the same 10% of our population, which is why so many states passed three strikes (felonies) and you're out (life sentence with the possibility of parole) laws.

357 Thanos  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:41pm

Moties?

358 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:51pm

re: #351 Kenneth

Nice!

359 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:55:56pm

re: #350 MandyManners

Huh?

/in the hotel with the axe

360 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:11pm

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

361 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:17pm

re: #341 jcm

Aren't those the Whirling Deverishes?

"The Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish" - the second best song about Turkey!

This is the first!

362 Kenneth  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:18pm
There was a young lady named Bright,
Whose speed was far faster than light.
She went out one day,
In a relative way,
And returned the previous night!
363 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:19pm

re: #328 gmsc

I thought John Kerry was Lurch.

364 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:38pm

re: #344 shanec99

Even so, what he did something terrible, and he paid his price. Time to forgive and move on.

Its funny how some among us will scream forever about Vic who killed dogs, but not bat an eye at people who defraud old people of thier life savings and leave them penniless, these people end up eating dog food and making choices about paying for heat in the winter. Some of them freeze to death.
The same people who want Vic put under the jail don't have one word of condemnation for the white collar criminal who cause much more human misery.

You are painting with a pretty broad brush there, fellow. As far as I'm concerned, Michael Vick is an exceptional case: a criminal who actually got what he deserved. IMHO, the crooked bankers and corrupt politicians who are behind the sub-prime mortgage scam would look mighty fine decorating all the lamp-posts on Wall Street.

365 Steve  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:43pm

I just love some of the astro photos coming out these days and showing planets orbiting other stars but...
common sense tells me that we cannot have the only star with a planet around it.

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:56:48pm

re: #360 alien_mind

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

Simon Bar Sinister.

367 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:02pm

re: #363 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I thought John Kerry was Lurch.

Are you suggesting that he isn't?

368 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:07pm

re: #355 Desert Dog

The Shining.....Jack took an axe to Scat......

re: #359 Killian Bundy

/in the hotel with the axe

That movie scares the snot out of me.

369 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:20pm

re: #354 poopeedoo

How about the Bugaloos... Talk about corny!
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That was corny, but I loved it....

But, the corniest of them all was: Land of the Lost

370 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:29pm

re: #356 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Moe- That's because they finally figured out that 80% of the crimes were being committed by the same 10% of our population, which is why so many states passed three strikes (felonies) and you're out (life sentence with the possibility of parole) laws.

It makes sense. It's not really just sentencing, but it takes a lot of bad guys out of circulation, which is a practical way of reducing violent crime. Applied to nonviolent criminals, it seems questionable, though....

371 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:57:40pm

re: #363 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I thought John Kerry was Lurch.

He was more like Lurch Junior.

372 sadhu  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:58:16pm

re: #343 itellu3times

Bad news in Yorba Linda.

the length of that fire line is just huge -- looks like that big water treatment plant is about to get it

373 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:58:36pm

re: #360 alien_mind

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

The theme song was...

374 neocon hippie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:10pm

re: #324 Kosh's Shadow

I was on the Rex Trailer show once.

375 Kenneth  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:19pm

re: #371 gmsc

Kerry is Lurch ... without the charisma.

376 little boomer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:34pm

re: #360 alien_mind

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

Simon Bar Sinister!

377 SteveC  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 7:59:52pm

re: #363 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I thought John Kerry was Lurch.

Youuuuu rannnnng?

378 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:00pm

re: #360 alien_mind

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

Hmmm - I used to work with someone who had scenes from this cartoon on his desktop. And he'd fit as a lizard.
You don't work for MII, do you?

379 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:08pm

re: #360 alien_mind

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

That's Simon Bar Sinister - I even remember the full name of his assistant. It was Cad Lackey!

I always enjoyed Tennessee Tuxedo - I learned so much from Mr. Whoopee and his 3DBB (Three dimensional blackboard)!

380 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:21pm

re: #375 Kenneth

Here's Lurch Kicking Ass! Watch him take out the two Kreegs!

381 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:24pm

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Simon Bar Sinister.

yep, I loved his diabolical laugh and silly plans to takeover the world.

382 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:28pm

re: #375 Kenneth

Kerry is Lurch ... without the charisma.

He cannot play the harpsichord like Lurch either

383 Timbre  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:39pm

I think the next large star that is discovered should be named Obama B.

384 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:01:51pm

re: #353 shanec99

How do you know the man has not repented... have you looked into his heart? Good lord.

No offense, but you haven't either. You have no idea if he is repentant or even feels that he's done anything wrong.

Forgive a person, sure- but be realistic; don't expect a changed man who comes out of prison and dedicates his life to helping the widows and the orphans, just because he's "served his time". Could it happen? Sure. But a callous, cruel, criminal leopard like Michael Vick is unlikely to change his spots just because he's spent some time in jail. Look at the recidivism rate of paroled and released prisoners. It surely is sad, but the truth sometimes is.

385 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:02:06pm

re: #336 Moe Katz

Criminal sentencing in the US has become extremely punitive in recent decades. Not sure what all the reasons are for that, but I suspect having most criminal justice at the state level - as opposed to our Canadian system, where it's a federal matter - plays a big role.

Ron White

I’m from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.

That’s right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. That’s our policy.

They’re trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas Legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where there’s more than three credible eye witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did, you don’t sit on death row for 15 years, Jack, you go straight to the front of the line.

Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty … my state’s puttin’ in an express lane.

386 Steve  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:02:28pm

re: #355 Desert Dog

The Shining.....Jack took an axe to Scat......

re: #359 Killian Bundy

/in the hotel with the axe

that movie scares the snot out of me

I used to play in the snow around the hotel they used in the shining.

Timberline Lodge

and Your text to link...

387 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:02:52pm

Now PBS is showing The Guys

388 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:13pm

re: #385 Rancher

LOL! I love Ron White.

389 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:20pm

re: #361 gmsc

"The Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish" - the second best song about Turkey!

This is the first!

ROFL!

390 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:37pm

re: #370 Moe Katz

It makes sense. It's not really just sentencing, but it takes a lot of bad guys out of circulation, which is a practical way of reducing violent crime. Applied to nonviolent criminals, it seems questionable, though....

That's true. There was a case a few years back where a guy with two strikes stole a $100 bicycle, but since it was in a garage, he was charged with felony burglary, rather than simple petty theft of the bike.

391 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:03:58pm

re: #379 gmsc

That's Simon Bar Sinister - I even remember the full name of his assistant. It was Cad Lackey!

I always enjoyed Tennessee Tuxedo - I learned so much from Mr. Whoopee and his 3DBB (Three dimensional blackboard)!

i swear, those are my favorites. "gee Mr.Whoopee, you're the greatest!"

was Commander McBragg part of that series also?

392 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:04pm

re: #375 Kenneth

Kerry is Lurch ... without the charisma.

LOL

393 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:04:25pm

re: #374 neocon hippie

I was on the Rex Trailer show once.

I never was on Rex Trailer, but I was on Big Brother. What did you do on the show? I would get up early and turn it on soft so I wouldn't wake up my parents.
We waited 2 hours at a shopping center for Rex to show up, but the crowd was too much and they canceled.
However, I was in the audience of a Big Brother show, showing a fire truck I got as a birthday or Chanukah present, and said how much I liked this stuff you'd mix with water and would make a carbonated drink. It was his biggest sponsor, and my mother was suspicious of the stuff. (I'd be now.) I got month's worth of the stuff for saying that on the air.

394 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #380 Macker

Here's Lurch Kicking Ass! Watch him take out the two Kreegs!

Hmmm . . . wasn't that a much younger Dr. Pulaski (Diana Muldaur) in that clip?

BTW, best example of kicking ass? Roddy Rowdy Piper in "They Live":

"I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass . . ."

/...and I'm all out of ass.

395 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:05:49pm

re: #378 Kosh's Shadow

Hmmm - I used to work with someone who had scenes from this cartoon on his desktop. And he'd fit as a lizard.
You don't work for MII, do you?

nope, wrong guy.

396 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:06:34pm

re: #375 Kenneth

Kerry is Lurch ... without the charisma.

Kerry always reminds me of every Scooby-doo phantom.

397 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:07:52pm

re: #353 shanec99

How do you know the man has not repented... have you looked into his heart? Good lord.

I'll turn that back on you: How do know he has repented...have you looked in his heart? The sports story in the link that Silhouette posted didn't say one way or the other. They did say he expects to go back into NFL football after his term is up on July 20. That certainly sounds like he still has a smidgen of the old arrogance left, in that he seems to expect that some team will be so foolish as to hire him.

I'd say evidence of repentance might consist of a public apology for the bad deeds he has done, followed by a period of time doing some sort of non-glamorous job, coupled with community service. Maybe he could coach a football club for inner-city kids. If he did something like that, I'd be proud to shake his hand. If he expects to pick up his life where he left off, then i take that as a mighty strong sign that the only thing he's sorry for is getting caught.

398 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:07:54pm

re: #383 Timbre

I think the next large star that is discovered should be named Obama B.

The next falling start maybe. Because that's the way he'll be going as soon as all these morons that voted for him wake up and realize what the hell they did to our country by electing this clown. I mean BOzo.

399 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:08:02pm

re: #364 Alberta Oil Peon

You are painting with a pretty broad brush there, fellow. As far as I'm concerned, Michael Vick is an exceptional case: a criminal who actually got what he deserved. IMHO, the crooked bankers and corrupt politicians who are behind the sub-prime mortgage scam would look mighty fine decorating all the lamp-posts on Wall Street.

Painting with a broad brush... no, I am not. I am quite simply making an observation... I said people who are unwilling to fogive Vic for dog fighting will not say a word about people who defraud old people and cause much more human suffering.

If you suggest that is a broad brush... please demonstrate how it is inaccurate.
I would suggest that I can find people today who have not made a decision on whether the people involved in the economic debacle that wiped out many people's savings and may be the proximate cause of some suicides and undoubtable is the cause of tremendous grief and human misery in many communities should go to jail.
But in that same group you will find many who are outraged at the death of dogs.
There is a matter of what we value and the role celebrity plays in our society.
We should be willing to forgive a person after they have paid thier dues, we cannot punish people into perpetuity.

400 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:08pm

re: #391 alien_mind

i swear, those are my favorites. "gee Mr.Whoopee, you're the greatest!"

was Commander McBragg part of that series also?

Yep! Commander McBragg was a segment of Underdog, too! "There! Chicago, Illinois! Have I ever told you how I cleaned out the Chicago racketeers?"

Don't forget "Go-Go Gophers"!

/You didn't get rid of them all, Commander

401 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:23pm

re: #360 alien_mind

my avatar is an homage to a favorite old cartoon of mine.
anyone old enough to know which one it was?

Underdog

402 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:35pm

re: #394 gmsc

Yes, that IS Diana Muldaur!

403 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:09:39pm

Secret Squirrel

/with Morocco Mole

404 calcajun  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:10:51pm

re: #396 Bloodnok

Kerry always reminds me of every Scooby-doo phantom.

And he could have been President too, if it hadn't been for those pesky kids!

405 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:11:04pm

re: #395 alien_mind

nope, wrong guy.

Just curious. I had told him about LGF. One of the few non-moonbats there.
Now, where I work, they have both 0bama signs and McCain signs, as well as "0bama/Marx 2008" and similar.

406 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:11:32pm

re: #398 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The next falling start maybe. Because that's the way he'll be going as soon as all these morons that voted for him wake up and realize what the hell they did to our country by electing this clown. I mean BOzo.

PIMF- falling star.

407 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:11:34pm

re: #368 MandyManners

That movie scares the snot out of me.

It scared Cathi Jo right into my lap.

/Best.Movie.Ever

408 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:11:46pm

re: #385 Rancher

re: #385 Rancher

Can't tell if you're quoting that with disapproval or traditional Texan belligerent defiance.

409 calcajun  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:06pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

What about Inch-High, Private Eye? Talk about someone with feelings of inadequacy.

410 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:43pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

Secret Squirrel

/with Morocco Mole

I remember that one.
Also, when I was in the Explorers, and we had a tour of Otis AFB, they had signs reminding people to look for badges. Someone had written on one of the posters, the name "Secret Squirrel"

411 calcajun  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:12:56pm

re: #407 OldLineTexan

Would you like some Red Rum?

412 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:20pm

re: #381 alien_mind

yep, I loved his diabolical laugh and silly plans to takeover the world.

I loved that show. I watched the entired Youtube, lol.

413 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:31pm

re: #384 gop_patriot

No offense, but you haven't either. You have no idea if he is repentant or even feels that he's done anything wrong.

Forgive a person, sure- but be realistic; don't expect a changed man who comes out of prison and dedicates his life to helping the widows and the orphans, just because he's "served his time". Could it happen? Sure. But a callous, cruel, criminal leopard like Michael Vick is unlikely to change his spots just because he's spent some time in jail. Look at the recidivism rate of paroled and released prisoners. It surely is sad, but the truth sometimes is.

I don't know whether of not he has repented, but I must not judge him. The Bible commands me to judge not.
After he has paid for his crimes, then it is time to give him an opportunity to start over. If he doesn't have an opportunity to start over then and become law abiding all he has left is to return to criminal activity and become a career criminal.
The criminal justice system is faced with a difficult task... rehabillitaing criminals... and it frequently fails.
We make the criminal justice system's job even harder when we are unwilling to give a convict a chance to become law abiding by denying him or her the opportunity to start over.

414 poopeedoo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:43pm

re: #409 calcajun

Didn't he have a little man's complex?

415 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:45pm

re: #403 Killian Bundy

Secret Squirrel

/with Morocco Mole

Roger Ramjet (with Noodles Romanoff)

416 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:13:57pm

re: #390 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That's true. There was a case a few years back where a guy with two strikes stole a $100 bicycle, but since it was in a garage, he was charged with felony burglary, rather than simple petty theft of the bike.

Well I've been victimized several times, and when it comes to bicycle thieves I want the death penalty.

417 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:14:35pm

re: #391 alien_mind

i swear, those are my favorites. "gee Mr.Whoopee, you're the greatest!"

was Commander McBragg part of that series also?

BTW, Commander McBragg's voice was done by Kenny Delmar, who was best known for his Senator Claghorn character (originally developed for Fred Allen's radio show).

The Senator Claghorn character was the inspiration for Warner Brothers' Foghorn Leghorn.

418 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:14:37pm

re: #411 calcajun

Would you like some Red Rum?

What did it was the nude woman standing in the tub that turned into a rotting corpse. She squealed and leaped.

419 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:13pm

re: #413 shanec99

Well, what about the sex offenders?

420 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:54pm

How about George of the Jungle, with the other two cartoons, Super Chicken and Tom Slick. Jay Ward cartoons, so there was some intelligence behind the simplicity.
How many people now would get Super Chicken's real name, Henry Cabot Henhouse III? (It took me a long time to realize the jokes behind the "secret sauce" he took to turn into Super Chicken")
George wasn't exactly politically correct. And he fought such great villains as Doctor Chicago, or Gerry Mander.

421 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:15:57pm

re: #114 Alberta Oil Peon

What they used to do, pre-computer, was to take two different negatives of the same area of the sky, and get them perfectly registered with each other. Then an operator would view them, while rapidly switching from one slide to the other and back. Any object that had moved between the two exposures would appear to be moving, while the fixed stars, were, well, fixed.

I'm sure they have automated systems to do that now.

little late getting back to you but thanks!

422 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:16:31pm

OK. I just set a static IP address thingy and set a port thingy on my router.

:D All by my yelp. And it worked. :D

423 OldLineTexan  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:17pm

re: #419 Macker

Well, what about the sex offenders?

I go all Biblical in that case..."If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out."

/

424 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:39pm

re: #419 Macker

Well, what about the sex offenders?

They keep my wife working. She does sex offender cases as a public defender.
And the doctors say there is no way to tell if they'll re-offend. Most can't control themselves.

425 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:17:45pm

Can anyone tell me which actual famous person inspired both Commander McBragg and a psychiatric disorder?

426 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:32pm

re: #425 gmsc

Can anyone tell me which actual famous person inspired both Commander McBragg and a psychiatric disorder?

Munchhausen?

427 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:33pm

re: #425 gmsc

Can anyone tell me which actual famous person inspired both Commander McBragg and a psychiatric disorder?

Al Gore?

428 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:52pm

Happy Tree Friends

/if Ren & Stimpy had evil twins

429 shiplord kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:18:56pm

re: #415 Bloodnok

Roger Ramjet (with Noodles Romanoff)

I'll never forget Roger's arch-enemies, the evil solenoid robots, or the iconic villains who created them: A band of "mad scientists bent on destroying the world for their own gain." It was a perfect summary of the post-modern luddite mindset and I have used it many times over the years.

430 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:19:22pm

re: #427 lifeofthemind

Al Gore?

Close, but the timeline if off.
;)

re: #426 Moe Katz

Munchhausen?

Correct!

431 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:10pm

A-HA! I've figured out how to get to the next level on my PSP's Ratatouille game!

432 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:22pm

re: #422 Catttt

OK. I just set a static IP address thingy and set a port thingy on my router.

:D All by my yelp. And it worked. :D

The Kinks - Phenomenal Catttt

433 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:36pm

re: #430 gmsc

Correct!

And we go to our graves with all these trivia wired into our neurons....

434 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:20:44pm

re: #425 gmsc

Can anyone tell me which actual famous person inspired both Commander McBragg and a psychiatric disorder?

I could have said it, but I looked it up on wiki first, so it would have been cheating.

435 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:21:48pm

re: #416 Moe Katz

Well I've been victimized several times, and when it comes to bicycle thieves I want the death penalty.

Your sarcasm provided a welcome injection of humor.

Let me state though, that I believe that some crimes give good justification for the reinstatement of public lashings.
A few strokes with the cane on a criminal's bare behind in the public square by the person who was victimized in some cases... would perhaps be a wonderful deterrent; and it would probably be a lot cheaper and more effective than warehousing them and exposing them to hardened career criminals.

436 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:22:14pm

Wow, I haven't seen that in years! Simon Bar Sinister looks a lot like my neighbor whom I don't like.
/I'll alert the neighborhood watch patrol to keep an eye on him.

437 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:22:16pm

re: #430 gmsc

Gore is a little off and is either from another space-time or even more frighteningly a perfect example of the time we are in.

438 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:15pm

Peabody and Sherman

439 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:21pm

re: #420 Kosh's Shadow

Yes! And Tom Slick's nemesis was Baron Otto Matic !

440 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:27pm

re: #431 MandyManners

A-HA! I've figured out how to get to the next level on my PSP's Ratatouille game!

Score more points?

441 shiplord kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:29pm

For those who missed it earlier this week:

His mediatarian highness Robert Kennedy Jr, under consideration for Obama's EPA director, is an anti-vaccination luddite and conspiraloon of the highest order.

442 Dirk Diggler  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:46pm

astronmr20,

At first glance, this looks like an extremely wide orbit.

There's a Larry Craig joke in there somewhere.

443 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:23:48pm

re: #436 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Wow, I haven't seen that in years! Simon Bar Sinister looks a lot like my neighbor whom I don't like.
/I'll alert the neighborhood watch patrol to keep an eye on him.

If he tries to rob any place, and starts by saying, "Simon says...", you should definitely be suspicious.

444 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:08pm

re: #431 MandyManners

A-HA! I've figured out how to get to the next level on my PSP's Ratatouille game!

The oregano or the basil?

445 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:18pm

re: #433 Moe Katz

And we go to our graves with all these trivia wired into our neurons....

Yep, and that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

446 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:34pm

re: #435 shanec99

Your sarcasm provided a welcome injection of humor.

Let me state though, that I believe that some crimes give good justification for the reinstatement of public lashings.
A few strokes with the cane on a criminal's bare behind in the public square by the person who was victimized in some cases... would perhaps be a wonderful deterrent; and it would probably be a lot cheaper and more effective than warehousing them and exposing them to hardened career criminals.

Singapore style, huh?

447 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:43pm

re: #432 Bloodnok

:)

448 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:24:57pm

re: #400 gmsc

Yep! Commander McBragg was a segment of Underdog, too! "There! Chicago, Illinois! Have I ever told you how I cleaned out the Chicago racketeers?"

Don't forget "Go-Go Gophers"!

/You didn't get rid of them all, Commander


ahh yes, go-go gophers. if you think about that Commander McBragg episode, it had nothing for children in it, two old men, adult themed, taking several guns in to see Al Baloney and clean up Chicago. as a kid i probably didn't get all the references, but I loved those old shows just the same.

449 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:25:41pm

Tooter Turtle

450 quickredfox  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:25:52pm

re: #199 SteveC

But what about the movies with teams of 6 or 8 horses?

More horsepower?

Six horse teams were common in the American West for stage coaches, although four and in some cases two were also used, depending on the load, distance and road conditions. In England, where the standard number was four and gentleman amateurs made a sport of driving the coaches, it came to be considered that it wasn't "gentlemanly" to drive six.

451 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:25:53pm

re: #445 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yep, and that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.


All Is Vanity
1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

3 What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun?

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full: unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

8 All things are full of labor; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

452 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:26:12pm

re: #438 Desert Dog

Peabody and Sherman

Did you ever see the episode of the Simpsons where Homer becomes the first (non-Brazilian) person to travel back in time? At one point, he runs into Peabody and Sherman!

453 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:26:22pm

re: #419 Macker

Well, what about the sex offenders?

Those are difficult... There are some places where they are doing some interesting research... I must say I don't know what the appropriate sentence is.

But I believe that the sentence for a sex offender should be much more severe than a person involved in dog fighting.
I also believe that part of a sex offender's punishment could involve long term monitoring and counselling to prevent recurrence.
But that would be part of the punishment.

On Vics case the whole punishment is incarceration and fines... once that is paid... how do you justify continuing to punish the man?

454 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:03pm

re: #448 alien_mind

ahh yes, go-go gophers. if you think about that Commander McBragg episode, it had nothing for children in it, two old men, adult themed, taking several guns in to see Al Baloney and clean up Chicago. as a kid i probably didn't get all the references, but I loved those old shows just the same.

It also showed that you just can't find a decent snub-nosed cannon these days.
;)

455 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:06pm

re: #435 shanec99

A few strokes with the cane on a criminal's bare behind in the public square... would perhaps be a wonderful deterrent

Ever seen Singapore? Nice clean town and I'd rather invest in a business there but day by day live somewhere else.
When I went drinking with the British Police in Hong Kong one of them had a toast like that.

456 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:12pm

re: #438 Desert Dog

Peabody and Sherman

Sponsored by Carnival Cruises? BLASPHEMY, I TELL YOU! Cap'n Crunch wasn't available? Sugar Frosted Flakes?

457 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:36pm

re: #412 Lively

I loved that show. I watched the entired Youtube, lol.


it cracked me up. he designs a weapon to turn people into snowmen!
omg, how evil is that?

458 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:27:55pm

re: #399 shanec99

Painting with a broad brush... no, I am not. I am quite simply making an observation... I said people who are unwilling to fogive Vic for dog fighting will not say a word about people who defraud old people and cause much more human suffering.

If you suggest that is a broad brush... please demonstrate how it is inaccurate.
I would suggest that I can find people today who have not made a decision on whether the people involved in the economic debacle that wiped out many people's savings and may be the proximate cause of some suicides and undoubtable is the cause of tremendous grief and human misery in many communities should go to jail.
But in that same group you will find many who are outraged at the death of dogs.
There is a matter of what we value and the role celebrity plays in our society.
We should be willing to forgive a person after they have paid thier dues, we cannot punish people into perpetuity.

The broad brush is that you seem unable to accept the possibility that any person unwilling to forgive Michael Vick could nevertheless be willing to mete out due punishment to the perpetrators of white-collar crimes. That's simply an assumption on your part.

You say you can find some people who continue to hold a grudge against Michael Vick, but who are unwilling to seek punishment for white-collar criminals. So what? The world is positively full of stupid people. Given a large-enough sample of generic stupid, you are bound to come up with one or two of the special sort of stupid you seek. That doesn't make your picks representative of the population at large.

Just because an individual refuses to offer unearned forgiveness to Michael Vick, it does not logically follow that that same person also refuses to lay blame where blame is due for white-collar crimes. One attitude is not the consequence of the other.

459 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:28:10pm

re: #424 Kosh's Shadow

They keep my wife working. She does sex offender cases as a public defender.
And the doctors say there is no way to tell if they'll re-offend. Most can't control themselves.

that is what I have read... it is difficult and the mental health experts dont have all the answers. I don't know how we will crack that one until we know the answers.

460 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:28:25pm

re: #452 gmsc

Missed that one, but I love the Simpsons too

461 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:03pm

re: #440 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Score more points?

You have to repeat the first phase of Linguini's Apartment's Fountain Test several times in order to collect enough wedges of cheese in order to earn the ability to breathe underwater so that you can jump on the do-hickey that will empty the tub so that you can crawl through the pipe to get to the garden. Now, I've killed one cobra, two snails, a few spider and several centipedes. One cobra to go and I'll be able to get to the climbing start.

462 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:30pm

re: #439 wolfie

Yes! And Tom Slick's nemesis was Baron Otto Matic !

Who had such long arms he could hit his mechanic with a wrench no matter where he was in the race.

There's no such word as fail in auto racing, Gertie.
I remember one race. It was started by some Indians, who first tried to grow apples on their reservation, but when that failed, they made the orchard into a racetrack, to form the "Indian Apple-Less 500"

Not that one, but another Tom Slick race

463 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:35pm

re: #446 Moe Katz

Singapore style, huh?


Heh heh heh, why not?

464 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:29:44pm

re: #444 jcm

The oregano or the basil?

Beats me. I just play.

465 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:30:29pm

re: #461 MandyManners

You have to repeat the first phase of Linguini's Apartment's Fountain Test several times in order to collect enough wedges of cheese in order to earn the ability to breathe underwater so that you can jump on the do-hickey that will empty the tub so that you can crawl through the pipe to get to the garden. Now, I've killed one cobra, two snails, a few spider and several centipedes. One cobra to go and I'll be able to get to the climbing start.

Flashbacks again Mandy?;-)

466 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:30:44pm

re: #310 astronmr20

At first glance, this looks like an extremely wide orbit.

Which is exactly the excuse it will give when some undercover planet tries to bust it for sending the wrong signals....

467 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:32:03pm

re: #438 Desert Dog

Peabody and Sherman

There's a reference to them in Back To The Future, Part I. After Marty first goes back to 1955, he winds up on the farm who had a crazy idea about breeding pine trees. The farmer is referred to by Doc Brown as "Old Man Peabody". At one point, if you listen closely, the farmer refers to his son as "Sherman".

468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:32:07pm

Any Trekies here? Willing to admit it? There was an episode where they're under the planet surface, lady is there with her gigantic bodyguard? Trying to figure out who played the big guy? Anybody know? Know the name of the episode?

Obviously not a Trekie, but I'd like to know who it was.

469 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:32:12pm

OK, here's one:

Who can tell me who....
Wrote the first web browser?
Founded the World Wide Web Consortium and is generally given credit for inventing the World Wide Web?
Invented the HTML markup language?
Invented HTTP protocol?

This one is really easy, right?

470 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:32:41pm

re: #451 Moe Katz

All Is Vanity
1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

3 What profit hath a man of all his labor which he taketh under the sun?

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full: unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

8 All things are full of labor; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

I think I read that in a fortune cookie.

471 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:32:57pm

re: #460 Desert Dog

Missed that one, but I love the Simpsons too

Quick correction, Homer refers to himself as the second non-Brazilian person to travel through time.

472 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:01pm

re: #438 Desert Dog

Peabody and Sherman


another good one. had to love the way-back machine.

473 quickredfox  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:04pm

re: #420 Kosh's Shadow

If you're afraid you'll have to overlook it, because you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

474 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:24pm

re: #457 alien_mind

it cracked me up. he designs a weapon to turn people into snowmen!
omg, how evil is that?

Mr. Freeze from "Batman"?

475 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:27pm

re: #465 Bloodnok

Flashbacks again Mandy?;-)

I've killed the second cobra and have captured the styrofoam cup to help me climb onto the chair.

476 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:35pm

Hums Jeopardy theme.

477 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:38pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any Trekies here? Willing to admit it? There was an episode where they're under the planet surface, lady is there with her gigantic bodyguard? Trying to figure out who played the big guy? Anybody know? Know the name of the episode?

Obviously not a Trekie, but I'd like to know who it was.

Big guy in the original Trek era? Had to be either Ted Cassidy or Richard Kiel!

478 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:33:43pm

re: #438 Desert Dog

Peabody and Sherman

Thanks, I watched the whole Youtube on that one, too. I need to get a life!

479 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:34:17pm

re: #458 Alberta Oil Peon

The broad brush is that you seem unable to accept the possibility that any person unwilling to forgive Michael Vick could nevertheless be willing to mete out due punishment to the perpetrators of white-collar crimes. That's simply an assumption on your part.

You say you can find some people who continue to hold a grudge against Michael Vick, but who are unwilling to seek punishment for white-collar criminals. So what? The world is positively full of stupid people. Given a large-enough sample of generic stupid, you are bound to come up with one or two of the special sort of stupid you seek. That doesn't make your picks representative of the population at large.

Just because an individual refuses to offer unearned forgiveness to Michael Vick, it does not logically follow that that same person also refuses to lay blame where blame is due for white-collar crimes. One attitude is not the consequence of the other.


It is not an assumption... it is the truth... I have spoken to many people who have no opinion regarding whether these "wretches" like Ken Lay or Bernie Evers deserved to go to jail, yet many of these same people become red faced at the mention of Vic's name.
Take your time and ask around and you will see that I am not making this up.

480 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:34:20pm

re: #469 Catttt

OK, here's one:

Who can tell me who....
Wrote the first web browser?
Founded the World Wide Web Consortium and is generally given credit for inventing the World Wide Web?
Invented the HTML markup language?
Invented HTTP protocol?

This one is really easy, right?

Algore. What do I win?

481 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:34:21pm

re: #470 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I think I read that in a fortune cookie.

LOL! Not a bad idea, though. Bible fortune cookies.

482 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:34:57pm

re: #475 MandyManners

I've killed the second cobra and have captured the styrofoam cup to help me climb onto the chair.

It's like reading Lewis Carroll.

483 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:35:54pm

re: #474 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mr. Freeze from "Batman"?

How many different actors can you name who portrayed "Mr. Freeze" in the 1960's Batman TV series with Adam West?

/Can you believe one actor who has portrayed Mr. Freeze is actually a governor now?

484 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:07pm

re: #479 shanec99

It is not an assumption... it is the truth... I have spoken to many people who have no opinion regarding whether these "wretches" like Ken Lay or Bernie Evers deserved to go to jail, yet many of these same people become red faced at the mention of Vic's name.
Take your time and ask around and you will see that I am not making this up.

Ken Lay never went to jail. He died before he was sentenced.

485 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:26pm

re: #435 shanec99

Your sarcasm provided a welcome injection of humor.

Let me state though, that I believe that some crimes give good justification for the reinstatement of public lashings.
A few strokes with the cane on a criminal's bare behind in the public square by the person who was victimized in some cases... would perhaps be a wonderful deterrent; and it would probably be a lot cheaper and more effective than warehousing them and exposing them to hardened career criminals.

You know, we may differ on the issue of Vick, but I agree 100% with you say here. I'd also employ something like the stocks for juvenile offenders. Say Junior is busted for boosting a CD from Walmart. Give him a fair trial, and if convicted, put him in stocks in the local shopping mall every evening for a week, and for the whole weekend. Let the public throw rotten fruit and veggies at him, and let his peers come by and mock him. 5-minute bathroom break every hour. Let him be humiliated. In all too many cases, the reason youngsters commit petty crimes is that it gets them status in their peer group. The public humiliation might act to counter that.

486 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:36:35pm

re: #469 Catttt

Al Gore.

/

487 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:19pm

re: #483 gmsc

How many different actors can you name who portrayed "Mr. Freeze" in the 1960's Batman TV series with Adam West?

/Can you believe one actor who has portrayed Mr. Freeze is actually a governor now?

And he's the shittiest Mr. Freeze of them all!

488 BakaRanger  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:40pm

re: #130 jcm

#103 Crux Australis


25 light years = 1.46962495 × 1014 miles
7.35x 1014 units

or about $294,000,000,002.50.

What about the tip?

489 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:37:44pm

re: #457 alien_mind

it cracked me up. he designs a weapon to turn people into snowmen!
omg, how evil is that?

I liked the way the Bank President said, "I'll pull the alarm." That way Simon Bar Sinister could turn him into a snowman before he called actually pulled the alarm to call the cops.

490 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:17pm

Anyone have thoughts on Hillary as possible Sec'y of State? She would be out of the loop on health care legislation if she took that appointment, it seems to me.

491 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:38:53pm

re: #489 Lively

I liked the way the Bank President said, "I'll pull the alarm." That way Simon Bar Sinister could turn him into a snowman before he called actually pulled the alarm to call the cops.

Not to mention that the bank president is nowhere near a desk that should have such a button right underneath it.

492 quickredfox  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:05pm

re: #470 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I think I read that in a fortune cookie.

Have you noticed that many fortune cookies aren't really fortune cookies, but more like saying cookies? They don't have a fortune on the order of, for instance, "you will soon be going on a profitable journey," but something on the order of a saying of some kind, or a description such as "you are valued by your friends."

493 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:28pm

re: #490 Moe Katz

Anyone have thoughts on Hillary as possible Sec'y of State? She would be out of the loop on health care legislation if she took that appointment, it seems to me.

NYT said she was never offered the job. But, I guess she's just as good as the next anti-war Dem.

494 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:37pm

re: #458 Alberta Oil Peon

The broad brush is that you seem unable to accept the possibility that any person unwilling to forgive Michael Vick could nevertheless be willing to mete out due punishment to the perpetrators of white-collar crimes. That's simply an assumption on your part.

You say you can find some people who continue to hold a grudge against Michael Vick, but who are unwilling to seek punishment for white-collar criminals. So what? The world is positively full of stupid people. Given a large-enough sample of generic stupid, you are bound to come up with one or two of the special sort of stupid you seek. That doesn't make your picks representative of the population at large.

Just because an individual refuses to offer unearned forgiveness to Michael Vick, it does not logically follow that that same person also refuses to lay blame where blame is due for white-collar crimes. One attitude is not the consequence of the other.

Look here is my position... you can agree or disagree.

Vic is a convicted criminal... after he has served his time he deserves to have a chance to start over and become a law abiding citizen.

All crimes should be proscecuted, and after the sentences have been levied on the guilty, then society is better off if they become law abiding than if they return to criminality. Anything that we can do to help them become law abiding serves the society's interest. Anything that we do that hampers rehabilitation of a criminal endangers us all.

495 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:43pm

re: #492 quickredfox

Have you noticed that many fortune cookies aren't really fortune cookies, but more like saying cookies? They don't have a fortune on the order of, for instance, "you will soon be going on a profitable journey," but something on the order of a saying of some kind, or a description such as "you are valued by your friends."

Yeah, but the "in bed" thing still works.
;)

496 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:52pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any Trekies here? Willing to admit it? There was an episode where they're under the planet surface, lady is there with her gigantic bodyguard? Trying to figure out who played the big guy? Anybody know? Know the name of the episode?

Obviously not a Trekie, but I'd like to know who it was.

I'm a Trekkie, but that does't narrow it down as much as you'd think it would.

Spock's Brain maybe? Underground, lady in charge, lots of big dumb men.

Brain, brain! What is brain?!

497 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:39:55pm

re: #462 Kosh's Shadow

Haven't seen one of those in a loooooooong time! :D

498 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:19pm

re: #493 Lively

NYT said she was never offered the job.

Oh, I didn't know that.

499 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:20pm

re: #484 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ken Lay never went to jail. He died before he was sentenced.

Yep. But there are people who think he should not have been jailed.

500 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:21pm

re: #488 BakaRanger

What about the tip?

Yikes!

501 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:25pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any Trekies here? Willing to admit it? There was an episode where they're under the planet surface, lady is there with her gigantic bodyguard? Trying to figure out who played the big guy? Anybody know? Know the name of the episode?

Obviously not a Trekie, but I'd like to know who it was.

Can't find it now, but search in
[Link: memory-alpha.org...]

502 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:30pm

re: #490 Moe Katz

Anyone have thoughts on Hillary as possible Sec'y of State? She would be out of the loop on health care legislation if she took that appointment, it seems to me.

Better than John Kerry.

/and it keeps her off the Supreme Court and exxectively out of the 2012 Presidential race

503 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:32pm

re: #491 gmsc

Not to mention that the bank president is nowhere near a desk that should have such a button right underneath it.

Yeah...you're right. That thing on the wall looked more like a fire alarm.

504 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:40pm

re: #492 quickredfox

Have you noticed that many fortune cookies aren't really fortune cookies, but more like saying cookies? They don't have a fortune on the order of, for instance, "you will soon be going on a profitable journey," but something on the order of a saying of some kind, or a description such as "you are valued by your friends."

They should be warnings, such as:

"That was NOT chicken you just ate"

"Stop by Walgreens on the way home, you'll need it"

"We are really Koreans, but you cannot tell us apart!"

505 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:41pm

re: #488 BakaRanger

What about the tip?

I'm a cheap bastard!

506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:40:50pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. It was Ted Cassiday. (Lurch).re: #477 gmsc

Big guy in the original Trek era? Had to be either Ted Cassidy or Richard Kiel!

HA! FOUND IT!

Was Ted. Thought so.

507 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:41:00pm

Hey hi all y'all - boy I'm even later than usual tonight!
So - what have I missed?!

508 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:41:31pm

In the early 60's there was a popular teen/dance show, The Lloyd Thaxton Show, that provided hours of pure enjoyment, humor and music. I just found out he passed away last month.
RIP, Lloyd Thaxton

509 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:41:32pm

re: #480 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Algore. What do I win?

No.

I used to have a pic of said guy in my cube at work. When people asked who he was and I'd tell them he invented the WWW, they'd ALWAYS make a Gore joke.

510 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:41:33pm

re: #473 quickredfox

If you're afraid you'll have to overlook it, because you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

Fred, Super Chicken's sidekick, yes.

511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:41:55pm

re: #481 Moe Katz

LOL! Not a bad idea, though. Bible fortune cookies.

How come fortune cookies nowadays give me advice instead of telling me how my life will turn out?

512 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:16pm

re: #504 Desert Dog

They should be warnings, such as:

"That was NOT chicken you just ate"

"Stop by Walgreens on the way home, you'll need it"

"We are really Koreans, but you cannot tell us apart!"

Those are funny.

I've seen fortune cookies for sale with condoms inside (!).

513 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:21pm

re: #492 quickredfox

Yes, I most certainly have noticed it, and I consider it a rip-off, a scandal, and an outrage! :(

514 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:31pm

re: #482 Bloodnok

It's like reading Lewis Carroll.

His stuff would make some great games.

515 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:38pm

re: #486 Macker

Al Gore.

/

See #480. : )

516 little boomer  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:40pm

re: #483 gmsc

How many different actors can you name who portrayed "Mr. Freeze" in the 1960's Batman TV series with Adam West?

/Can you believe one actor who has portrayed Mr. Freeze is actually a governor now?

The movie director Otto Preminger

517 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:42:48pm

re: #505 jcm

I'm a cheap bastard!

Spread the wealth!

518 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:43:06pm

re: #504 Desert Dog

They should be warnings, such as:

"That was NOT chicken you just ate"

"Stop by Walgreens on the way home, you'll need it"

"We are really Koreans, but you cannot tell us apart!"

Or the classic, "Help, I'm being held prisoner in a Chinese fortune cookie factory."

519 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:43:07pm

re: #504 Desert Dog

They should be warnings, such as:

"That was NOT chicken you just ate in bed"

"Stop by Walgreens on the way home, you'll need it in bed"

"We are really Koreans, but you cannot tell us apart! in bed"

Fixed that for you.

520 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:43:13pm

re: #492 quickredfox

Have you noticed that many fortune cookies aren't really fortune cookies, but more like saying cookies? They don't have a fortune on the order of, for instance, "you will soon be going on a profitable journey," but something on the order of a saying of some kind, or a description such as "you are valued by your friends."

Chinese fortune cookies make about as much sense as, say, the Vorlons.

521 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:43:35pm

re: #491 gmsc

Not to mention that the bank president is nowhere near a desk that should have such a button right underneath it.


come on now, the alarm wasn't more than about 60ft away. at least it was clearly marked.

522 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:43:49pm

re: #504 Desert Dog

ROFLMAO !

523 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:44:03pm

re: #516 little boomer

The movie director Otto Preminger

That's one of them!

524 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:44:12pm

re: #506 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. It was Ted Cassiday. (Lurch).re: #477 gmsc

HA! FOUND IT!

Was Ted. Thought so.

That was my visual, but couldn't remember the ep. I did think "How to Serve Man" for some reason, too. :D

525 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:44:14pm

re: #485 Alberta Oil Peon

You know, we may differ on the issue of Vick, but I agree 100% with you say here. I'd also employ something like the stocks for juvenile offenders. Say Junior is busted for boosting a CD from Walmart. Give him a fair trial, and if convicted, put him in stocks in the local shopping mall every evening for a week, and for the whole weekend. Let the public throw rotten fruit and veggies at him, and let his peers come by and mock him. 5-minute bathroom break every hour. Let him be humiliated. In all too many cases, the reason youngsters commit petty crimes is that it gets them status in their peer group. The public humiliation might act to counter that.


I agree... for most people public humiliation is a wonderful deterrent.
Good people with different experiences can see the same evidence and come to very different conclusions. It does not invalidate one opinion, all it does is that gives us a chance to ask ourselves if our point of view is the only one worth examining.
That's what my ole granny in Jamaica used to say.

526 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:44:48pm

re: #512 Lively

Those are funny.

I've seen fortune cookies for sale with condoms inside (!).

When I was working for a formerly large computer company that was having layoffs, our boss took us to a Chinese restaurant. Several of us got fortune cookies that said "You will soon have a change in career".

527 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:41pm

re: #489 Lively

re: #491 gmsc

Not to mention that the bank president is nowhere near a desk that should have such a button right underneath it.

You guys are actually being critical about the flaws in a show produced for 5-10 year olds?

528 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #458 Alberta Oil Peon

I had typed out a reply but you said it quite well, so nevermind. lol

re: #479 shanec99

It is not an assumption... it is the truth... I have spoken to many people who have no opinion regarding whether these "wretches" like Ken Lay or Bernie Evers deserved to go to jail, yet many of these same people become red faced at the mention of Vic's name.
Take your time and ask around and you will see that I am not making this up.

That is their choice. So what? I think white collar crime is, well, crime. But I'm not nearly as scared of a shifty banker as someone running a dog fighting ring out of their home. Bodily harm, and all that.

Either way, both things are crimes, but neither has anything to do with the other.

PS- calling someone a "wretch", is pretty judgmental. You seem to be very angry about white collar criminals, and not too concerned with Michael Vick's crimes. Kind of what you were saying about others, is it not?

529 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:43pm

re: #520 Macker

Chinese fortune cookies make about as much sense as, say, the Vorlons.

(noises) Yes. (noises.)
(check my nic)

530 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:52pm

re: #524 Catttt

That was my visual, but couldn't remember the ep. I did think "How to Serve Man" for some reason, too. :D

No, THAT was Richard Kiel.

531 tommygum  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:45:53pm

OT: I just endured the first skit on SNL. Without Palin, the show is unwatchable.

532 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:03pm

re: #512 Lively
Hi Lively! Uh, what Chinese restaurants do you eat in that have condoms inside the fortune cookie (and they must either be very small condoms or very large fortune cookies, LOL!

533 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:10pm

re: #526 Kosh's Shadow

When I was working for a formerly large computer company that was having layoffs, our boss took us to a Chinese restaurant. Several of us got fortune cookies that said "You will soon have a change in career".

I never open my fortune cookies.

534 lifeofthemind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:12pm

How about Hillary as SecDef? She'd scare the hell out of people.

BTW I haven't followed the whole Vic thing closely but for my 2 cents worth I'll draw a line between somebody who steals numbers or even somebody who does violence to a man and anybody who hurts women, children or animals. The defenceless need protection. So I'm a troglodyte, sue me.

535 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:45pm

re: #527 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #491 gmsc

You guys are actually being critical about the flaws in a show produced for 5-10 year olds?

That's part of the fun!

536 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:46:52pm

re: #492 quickredfox

Which is why adding "in bed" ALWAYS works.

"you are valued by your friends" - in bed.

See? :D

537 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:07pm

re: #530 gmsc
Lol.

538 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:16pm

re: #517 MandyManners

Spread the wealth!

You'll never find the coffee can in my mattress, never I say!

539 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:47:52pm

re: #527 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #491 gmsc


You guys are actually being critical about the flaws in a show produced for 5-10 year olds?

What if my child grows up to be a Bank President and she thinks the police alarm in on the wall and not under the desk? I've got to tell her now.

/I haven't laughed this much all day!

540 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:48:00pm

re: #538 jcm

You'll never find the coffee can in my mattress, never I say!

'cause it's all buried out back in mason jars!

541 The Kevin Show  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:48:10pm

That is an absolutely beautiful picture.

542 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:48:33pm

No one answered my questions. I guess I'll have to keep the fabulous prize for myself. Oh, darn.

543 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:48:35pm

re: #504 Desert Dog

ROTFLMAO!

544 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:48:38pm

re: #532 realwest

Hi Lively! Uh, what Chinese restaurants do you eat in that have condoms inside the fortune cookie (and they must either be very small condoms or very large fortune cookies, LOL!

I saw them for sale in a magazine. Heh.

545 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:49:00pm

re: #507 realwest

Hey hi all y'all - boy I'm even later than usual tonight!
So - what have I missed?!

Lets see...plumbing puns. Uranus jokes. Underdog. Commander McBragg. Simon and Peabody. Mr. Freeze. And a few more.

546 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:49:02pm

re: #532 realwest

Hi Lively! Uh, what Chinese restaurants do you eat in that have condoms inside the fortune cookie (and they must either be very small condoms or very large fortune cookies, LOL!

Made for the home market, no doubt. Remember a few years ago when the city of Chicago had to reject a consignment of donated Japanese condoms? Seems they were too small. (Makes you proud to be an American.)

547 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:49:04pm

re: #528 gop_patriot

I had typed out a reply but you said it quite well, so nevermind. lol

re: #479 shanec99


That is their choice. So what? I think white collar crime is, well, crime. But I'm not nearly as scared of a shifty banker as someone running a dog fighting ring out of their home. Bodily harm, and all that.

Either way, both things are crimes, but neither has anything to do with the other.

PS- calling someone a "wretch", is pretty judgmental. You seem to be very angry about white collar criminals, and not too concerned with Michael Vick's crimes. Kind of what you were saying about others, is it not?

Again you are wrong.
I was mad about Vic... but that was two years ago, and he was jailed. He paid his price... now its time to move on.

I am also mad about white collar criminals who are not in jail, and will continue to be outraged until they do some jail time.

Criminals deserve to be punished, period. After they have been punished its time to forgive and move on. Its that simple.

548 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:49:23pm

re: #521 alien_mind

come on now, the alarm wasn't more than about 60ft away. at least it was clearly marked.

Better script:

Simon Bar Sinister: "Give me your jewels, or I'll turn you all into snowmen and snowwomen!"

Victim: "What's the difference?"

Cad Lackey: "Snowballs."

549 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:49:37pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel

Made for the home market, no doubt. Remember a few years ago when the city of Chicago had to reject a consignment of donated Japanese condoms? Seems they were too small. (Makes you proud to be an American.)

Yes, and I remember the ones we sent India were too big.....

550 Bloodnok  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:49:38pm

re: #538 jcm

You'll never find the coffee can in my mattress, never I say!

Isn't that a crime? Why that's mattress-hide.

/channelling Buzz -goodnight folks.

551 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:04pm

re: #490 Moe Katz

I can't imagine that she will take it. Yeah, it would be Executive experience, but it pretty much guarantees she won't run against Obama in 2012. I can't see her taking a "second fiddle" job where Obama is the man. I can't see her being a "team player" when she's not the team leader

That said, she'd be better SecState than Maddy Notbright. Of course, my Parrot would be better than Maddy Notbright.

552 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:28pm

re: #479 shanec99

It is not an assumption... it is the truth... I have spoken to many people who have no opinion regarding whether these "wretches" like Ken Lay or Bernie Evers deserved to go to jail, yet many of these same people become red faced at the mention of Vic's name.
Take your time and ask around and you will see that I am not making this up.

Well, one factor is that the casual cruelty of Michael Vick is comprehensible to even ill-educated people. It's evil on a human scale, that they can get their minds around. With white-collar criminals on the Enron/subprime scale, the magnitude of the damage, and the remoteness of the perpetrators makes it hard for some people to understand the magnitude of the evil, and the element of casual cruelty is absent.

But if one of your above-mentioned contacts had gotten screwed out of their $40,000 dollars life savings by a two-bit con man selling them Florida swamp timeshares, I'll bet you they would be vocally calling for hanging him high, and often, because it's become personal.

The broad brush is where you take a few people you know who meet your description, and then proceed to generalize that all people who despise Michael Vick hold no such animus against white-collar criminals.

553 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:43pm

Speaker Pelosi Says Automakers Need to Restructure

Rangel Plans Push to Cut Top Corporate Tax Rate to 28 Percent

Holy [expletive deleted], did someone taser them?

/next thing you know they'll be cutting the capital gains rates

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:51:48pm

hey 99, come and hang out more. Okay? G'night folks.

555 Stonemason  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:52:22pm

re: #540 Desert Dog

'cause it's all buried out back in mason jars!

Near that place in the yard that is always wet?

556 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:52:23pm

re: #532 realwest

Hi Lively! Uh, what Chinese restaurants do you eat in that have condoms inside the fortune cookie (and they must either be very small condoms or very large fortune cookies, LOL!

OR - remember this story?

Condoms Too Big for Indian Men

It's actually a serious issue, but I can't help snarking at it.

557 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:52:30pm

re: #549 Desert Dog

And I guess the Bill Clinton condoms were...curved?

558 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:52:32pm

re: #528 gop_patriot

yes ... they are damned wretches.

My dad lost a big portion of his savings because of these wretches and I saw him almost at the point of tears. Fortunately he was resourseful enough to manage.
Some people go into deep depression and even committ suicide because of the situation these damned white collar criminals put them in.

How is the effect any different than the mugger who shoves a gun in an old lagy's face and takes her money?

559 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:52:57pm

re: #535 gmsc

That's part of the fun!

Yeah well...Cap'n Crunch never actually served in the Navy.

560 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:53:21pm

re: #534 lifeofthemind
Well I don't think you're a troglodyte and what Vick did was totally reprehensible, but I don't equate it as the same level of crime as hiring someone to hurt or kill someone else.
BTW, there's a show on National Geographic - usually follows the Dog Whisperer - called "Dogtown" and they wound up rescuing several dogs from Vicks Training and breeding camps for those dogs and it was UGLY - all black buildings, no windows, and those less likely to enjoy success in fighting other dogs, or dogs who had been "champions" but got worn out from all the fighting, were deliberately put into these rings so that an up and coming dog fighter could fight and KILL THEM. The folks at Dogtown said that the dogs at Vicks compound, for the most part, could never be adopted or become "pets" for humans.
It and Michael Vick are absolutely reprehensible.

561 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:54:23pm

re: #553 Killian Bundy

Speaker Pelosi Says Automakers Need to Restructure

Rangel Plans Push to Cut Top Corporate Tax Rate to 28 Percent

Holy [expletive deleted], did someone taser them?

/next thing you know they'll be cutting the capital gains rates

Wow. I had to look to make sure those were real stories. Not that I don't trust you.....

562 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:54:41pm

re: #539 Lively

What if my child grows up to be a Bank President and she thinks the police alarm in on the wall and not under the desk? I've got to tell her now.

/I haven't laughed this much all day!

I challange to find me one cartoon from the 60's or 70's where the bank president was a woman.

563 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:55:12pm

That's the Hellboy II soundtrack? What's on that?

564 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:55:36pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel
LOL! No actually I don't remember that, but I suppose that's yet another reason to be proud to be an American!

565 quickredfox  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:55:38pm

re: #520 Macker

Chinese fortune cookies make about as much sense as, say, the Vorlons.

And as fate would have it, not really Chinese.

We S.F. Bay Area people know they were invented in S.F., not like those L.A. people would have you believe.

566 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:55:41pm

re: #552 Alberta Oil Peon

Well, one factor is that the casual cruelty of Michael Vick is comprehensible to even ill-educated people. It's evil on a human scale, that they can get their minds around. With white-collar criminals on the Enron/subprime scale, the magnitude of the damage, and the remoteness of the perpetrators makes it hard for some people to understand the magnitude of the evil, and the element of casual cruelty is absent.

But if one of your above-mentioned contacts had gotten screwed out of their $40,000 dollars life savings by a two-bit con man selling them Florida swamp timeshares, I'll bet you they would be vocally calling for hanging him high, and often, because it's become personal.

The broad brush is where you take a few people you know who meet your description, and then proceed to generalize that all people who despise Michael Vick hold no such animus against white-collar criminals.

Again I never said all... please point out a place where I said all. You are inentionally mischaracterizing what I said to score a point. If you want to debate me, please quote me correctly.
I have not misquoted you, and we should be honest if we are engage in an exchange of ideas.

567 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:55:48pm

re: #557 Macker

And I guess the Bill Clinton condoms were...curved?

And extra small. He showed his you-know-what around enough that there is a definite consensus - smaller than a cigar - two finger width's thick.

568 Shay4l  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:55:49pm

re: #344 shanec99

Even so, what he did something terrible, and he paid his price. Time to forgive and move on.

Its funny how some among us will scream forever about Vic who killed dogs, but not bat an eye at people who defraud old people of thier life savings and leave them penniless, these people end up eating dog food and making choices about paying for heat in the winter. Some of them freeze to death.
The same people who want Vic put under the jail don't have one word of condemnation for the white collar criminal who cause much more human misery.

Oh brother! I was having trouble sleeping so I thought I would log back in, but then ran into this blatant lie.

Oh yeah, the strawman who is all for hanging Vick and at the same time applauds starving old people is EVIL! They should be thrown into the SoCal fire!

Good night and go away, strawman creator.

569 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:56:01pm

re: #560 realwest

Well I don't think you're a troglodyte and what Vick did was totally reprehensible, but I don't equate it as the same level of crime as hiring someone to hurt or kill someone else.
BTW, there's a show on National Geographic - usually follows the Dog Whisperer - called "Dogtown" and they wound up rescuing several dogs from Vicks Training and breeding camps for those dogs and it was UGLY - all black buildings, no windows, and those less likely to enjoy success in fighting other dogs, or dogs who had been "champions" but got worn out from all the fighting, were deliberately put into these rings so that an up and coming dog fighter could fight and KILL THEM. The folks at Dogtown said that the dogs at Vicks compound, for the most part, could never be adopted or become "pets" for humans.
It and Michael Vick are absolutely reprehensible.


Well it's interesting to hear that from you, Realwest, because I've seen it argued that dogfighting is part of southern culture, especially for southern blacks, and that it's culturally insensitive to judge him harshly. As a southerner, what is your reaction to that?

570 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:56:35pm

Ahem!

Mayor McCheese was only convicted for wanting his cut...

571 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:56:44pm

re: #563 Salem

That's the Hellboy II soundtrack? What's on that?

Charles always has "currently playing"....am I just tech-dumb, or is there a way we listen to those tunes while on LGF?

572 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:56:47pm

Still my favorite of all the Speed Racer episodes: The Race Against The Mammoth Car

I liked it because of the bizarre plot, the surprise ending you can see coming from almost the beginning of the episode, and that bizarre noise the Mammoth Car makes whenever it goes by.

Having a character with the name "Inspector Detector" and the weird idea of the "No Limit World Race" are icing on the cake.

573 Macker  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:57:53pm

re: #565 quickredfox

Feh.

/Londo

574 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:58:26pm

re: #571 Desert Dog

Charles always has "currently playing"....am I just tech-dumb, or is there a way we listen to those tunes while on LGF?

Unfortunately, no - copyright reasons. It's just a cool widget.

575 CharlieBravo  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:58:36pm

Just wrote some great fascist fortune cookie saying... but decided against posting them. Will save Charles the trouble of deleting.

576 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:58:40pm

re: #546 Shiplord Kirel

Made for the home market, no doubt. Remember a few years ago when the city of Chicago had to reject a consignment of donated Japanese condoms? Seems they were too small. (Makes you proud to be an American.)

Yep. 'Bout brought tears to my eyes. I even considered flying Old Glory.
/

577 alien_mind  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:58:41pm

Underdog opening
i love Simons evil contraption, a Hummer on steroids.

578 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:58:59pm

re: #552 Alberta Oil Peon

Well, one factor is that the casual cruelty of Michael Vick is comprehensible to even ill-educated people. It's evil on a human scale, that they can get their minds around. With white-collar criminals on the Enron/subprime scale, the magnitude of the damage, and the remoteness of the perpetrators makes it hard for some people to understand the magnitude of the evil, and the element of casual cruelty is absent.

But if one of your above-mentioned contacts had gotten screwed out of their $40,000 dollars life savings by a two-bit con man selling them Florida swamp timeshares, I'll bet you they would be vocally calling for hanging him high, and often, because it's become personal.

The broad brush is where you take a few people you know who meet your description, and then proceed to generalize that all people who despise Michael Vick hold no such animus against white-collar criminals.

Who told you that I was not angry at Vic?
Again you are making assumptions.
But the difference is he paid his price.

White collar criminals should also pay a price.

After criminals pay a price, you forgive them and move on.
Or is it that you want to justify white collar criminals not paying a price?

579 Lively  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:59:08pm

Goodnight lizards.

580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 8:59:40pm

I believe (I really need to go to bed) that some "white collar crime" can also be described as "incompetence".

There is no mistaking the gun in the face of an old lady, or making two innocent animals fight to the death for the fun of it.

But 99? I'll forgive Mike. He doesn't need my forgiveness, but, he's paid his debt.

But, with one caveat..."Trust, but Verify."

581 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:00:06pm

re: #547 shanec99
Uh, "Criminals deserve to be punished, period. After they have been punished its time to forgive and move on. Its that simple."
In New York State there is actually a law that says once a convicted criminal has done his/her time and finished whatever probation there may be, it's illegal to hire them just because they were convicted of a crime.
The only exception I know of to that law is for pedophiles as it appears the overwhelming majority of psychiatrists and such are conviced that a pedophile will ALWAY want to molest children - they may live the rest of their lives without doing so, but the law does make that an exception.

582 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:00:09pm

re: #571 Desert Dog

Charles always has "currently playing"....am I just tech-dumb, or is there a way we listen to those tunes while on LGF?

Cant listen, it's a script that displays what ever iTunes is playing on Charles' computer.

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:00:32pm

re: #562 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I challange to find me one cartoon from the 60's or 70's where the bank president was a woman.

What about the one who's grandson becomes POTUS?

584 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:00:50pm

re: #559 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Yeah well...Cap'n Crunch never actually served in the Navy.

The 2nd episode of Futurama features Fry getting used to 31st century life, with things like "Archduke Chocula" and "Admiral Crunch".

585 Desert Dog  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:06pm

re: #582 jcm

I figured that, but was hoping there was some LittleGreenStreamer plug in that I did not know about yet.....

586 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:24pm

re: #561 Catttt

It sounds as if the Democrats have taken a look at what they just won, and they recognize the extreme peril they are facing. They can blame everthing on Bush, buit that is going to wear extremely thin in the comming months. They're going to have to face thay as of now they, and they alone have the responsibility for everything that happens.

They've already wasted two years where the Bush Administration ws giving warnings about Freddie Mac and Franny Mae. Oops. Now it is their problem. Get to work, suckers.

Good. Maybe they'll be to busy doing the work of the Nation to waste time trying to turn us into a Socialist hell hole Paradise.

587 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:37pm

re: #494 shanec99

Look here is my position... you can agree or disagree.

Vic is a convicted criminal... after he has served his time he deserves to have a chance to start over and become a law abiding citizen.

All crimes should be proscecuted, and after the sentences have been levied on the guilty, then society is better off if they become law abiding than if they return to criminality. Anything that we can do to help them become law abiding serves the society's interest. Anything that we do that hampers rehabilitation of a criminal endangers us all.

I never suggested that he be kept in jail until he rots. Whatever I may think of the length of the sentence received, once his time is up, he's out. As to whether he has been rehabilitated, I'll simply reserve judgment until I've seen some compelling evidence. And I'll hold any paroled/released felon to the same standard.

FWIW, I once spent about a year working in a business where one of the other employees was out on bail awaiting trial for murder. He did it, and everybody knew it, and nobody much minded. The guy he offed (in a fight) was an obnoxious A-hole, who had long since earned that end. Anyway, I got along fine with the guy, who was really quite a gentle soul.

And that's about all I have to say on this topic.

588 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:41pm

re: #568 Shay4l

Oh brother! I was having trouble sleeping so I thought I would log back in, but then ran into this blatant lie.

Oh yeah, the straw-man who is all for hanging Vick and at the same time applauds starving old people is EVIL! They should be thrown into the SoCal fire!

Good night and go away, strawman creator.


It is funny when people get angry because they encounter a point of view that does not make them uncomfortable.

No i will not go away. I will continue to point our hypocrisy when i see it. Live with it.

589 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:46pm

re: #577 alien_mind

Underdog opening
i love Simons evil contraption, a Hummer on steroids.

Feh, the Mammoth Car could run over that thing without noticing.

590 oh_dude  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:55pm

Best line from tonight's fire coverage...

"Right now we're looking at some new satellite pictures, taken from space."

BAAA!

Thanx I needed that.

591 Ron Shaw  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:01:58pm

re: #469 Catttt

OK, here's one:

Who can tell me who....
Wrote the first web browser?
Founded the World Wide Web Consortium and is generally given credit for inventing the World Wide Web?
Invented the HTML markup language?
Invented HTTP protocol?
This one is really easy, right?

Gates?
Or, maybe that universal-warming-Chicken-Little-of-an-ex-VP guy who was also one of the first or maybe the first businessmen to form a company before he dropped the GW Bomb that 'allows' us, you and I, to purge our guilt and buy carbon credits if we feel so much shame to do so in recompense for our sloth-like carbon Bigfoot prints and whose company's name is so innocuous that not even Sherlock Holmes could crack the lid on this scam and which company is also probably a US of A registered, certified and sanctified non-profit so ALleGOREy can siphon at least 97 cents tax-free on each tax-free dollar donated by self floggers such as us, you and I, for carbon credits and which also happens to be the company he used to pay himself and buy himself some much needed carbon credits seeing how his huge carbon footprints look like the dinosaurs of yore have made them, are makimg them and will continue to do so in the getting-warmer-by-the-minute future.

592 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:03:11pm

re: #570 Karridine

Ahem!

Mayor McCheese was only convicted for wanting his cut...

Slice.
/

593 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:04:14pm

OK, give up?

Tim Berners-Lee.

graduate of Oxford University, England, Tim Berners-Lee is the 3COM Founders Professor of Engineering in the School of Engineering, with a joint appointment in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the Laboratory for Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence (CSAIL) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) where he also heads the Decentralized Information Group (DIG). He is co-Director of the new Web Science Research Initiative (WSRI) and is a Professor in the Computer Science Department at the University of Southampton, UK. He directs the World Wide Web Consortium, founded in 1994.

In 1989 he invented the World Wide Web, an internet-based hypermedia initiative for global information sharing while at CERN, the European Particle Physics Laboratory. He wrote the first web client and server in 1990. His specifications of URIs [Uniform Resource Identifiers (URIs, aka URLs)] , HTTP and HTML were refined as Web technology spread.

In 2001 he became a fellow of the Royal Society. He has been the recipient of several international awards including the Japan Prize, the Prince of Asturias Foundation Prize, the Millennium Technology Prize and Germany's Die Quadriga award. In 2004 he was knighted by H.M. Queen Elizabeth and in 2007 he was awarded the Order of Merit. He is the author of "Weaving the Web".

(Longer bio)

594 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:04:47pm

A few years ago, I sat in on my daughter's college speech class to watch her present her final persuasive speech, good for something like a quarter of the semester grade.
Her subject was airline safety, but another kid, a young man, advocated condom use. He kept his hand out of sight as he was presenting, and alternately refuting, the various excuses given for not using condoms. He said, "Others claim that they are 'too confining' and even 'too small'." Then he brought up his hand. He had stretched his sample condom over the hand and up his wrist almost up to the elbow. "Who are they trying to kid?" he asked.
This drew a lot of laughs and a round of applause. I think he also got an A.

595 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:05:11pm

re: #578 shanec99

Who told you that I was not angry at Vic?
Again you are making assumptions.
But the difference is he paid his price.

White collar criminals should also pay a price.

After criminals pay a price, you forgive them and move on.
Or is it that you want to justify white collar criminals not paying a price?

Please, his name is Vick.

596 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:05:28pm

re: #586 Iron Fist

It sounds as if the Democrats have taken a look at what they just won, and they recognize the extreme peril they are facing. They can blame everthing on Bush, buit that is going to wear extremely thin in the comming months. They're going to have to face thay as of now they, and they alone have the responsibility for everything that happens.

They've already wasted two years where the Bush Administration ws giving warnings about Freddie Mac and Franny Mae. Oops. Now it is their problem. Get to work, suckers.

Good. Maybe they'll be to busy doing the work of the Nation to waste time trying to turn us into a Socialist hell hole Paradise.

God, I hope so. Maybe prayer is helping, because I know a LOT of people are praying.

597 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:06:04pm

re: #581 realwest

Uh, "Criminals deserve to be punished, period. After they have been punished its time to forgive and move on. Its that simple."
In New York State there is actually a law that says once a convicted criminal has done his/her time and finished whatever probation there may be, it's illegal to hire them just because they were convicted of a crime.
The only exception I know of to that law is for pedophiles as it appears the overwhelming majority of psychiatrists and such are conviced that a pedophile will ALWAY want to molest children - they may live the rest of their lives without doing so, but the law does make that an exception.

And yes... that is the law... it was passed by the legislature. Society I believe benefits for putting away a career criminal.
Society is hurt by not rehabillitating a person who could be rehabbed.
Society loses by making into a career criminal those with potential of becoming law abiding.
If we dont forgive people like Vic and give them the chance to start over then we are pushing them down the road to a career in criminality.

We have choices and we can allow our anger to allow us to become irrational and ignore what we know to be true.
All criminals should be punished.
After criminals are punished they should be give a chance to reform and carry on with their lives.

598 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:06:39pm

re: #591 Ron Shaw

Heh. No and no.

599 gop_patriot  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:06:43pm

re: #547 shanec99

Who's not moving on? Someone posted a link about how poor Vick was down to two Range Rovers, and no yachts- and some others said he was scum. You began telling people to lose their anger and hate, and to forgive and not judge, even though no one had been angry or hateful, unforgiving or any more judgmental than you have been.

This exchange, for example:

re: #276 shanec99
re: #267 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I guess you're right. Just seems to me that what he was doing was more evil than illegal. Just don't know how you pay for being evil.

If you are unwilling to forgive, then do you or the people you love deserve forgiveness?

FBV wondered how someone pays for being evil, and you started talking about being 'unwilling to forgive', which is not something he or anyone else had said.

Anyway, I'm done with this, you seem to be a good guy and I don't want to argue with you any more. Agree to disagree on this subject, I guess.

600 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:06:46pm

When they find Fomalhaut 3, home of the Dorsai, let me know.

::mutter:: can't believe no else saw this.

601 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:07:03pm

An Englishman? Another great British inventor they can take pride in.

602 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:07:15pm

re: #553 Killian Bundy

Speaker Pelosi Says Automakers Need to Restructure

Rangel Plans Push to Cut Top Corporate Tax Rate to 28 Percent

Holy [expletive deleted], did someone taser them?

/next thing you know they'll be cutting the capital gains rates

I was shocked as well. Maybe parts of the other side have finally come to a partial understanding of our economy.

603 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:07:18pm

re: #569 Moe Katz

It is definitely not a part of the upland (Appalachian) south.

I've never heard of such things going on anywhere in the south until the Vick case came up. (That doesn't mean the "black culture" story is false. It just means I've never heard about it & have no reason to believe it.)

604 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:07:25pm

re: #581 realwest

Do you mean it is illegal not to hire them because they have a record? That'll help with convicts going straight on release. If the only jobs thay can legally get are illegal jobs you are pretty guarentee that they'll go back to crime when released.

605 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:08:07pm

re: #569 Moe Katz
As a human being born and now living in the South I say bullshit. It's also been attributed to being part of the Latino culture.
There are a lot of "cultural things" about the South that I despise - such as slavery, Jim Crow laws and the like, but I don't believe - or frankly care - if dog fighting is a part of Southern culture - it's simply barbaric.

606 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:08:10pm

re: #576 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

There a law against doing that in public.

607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:08:36pm

re: #605 realwest

(evil)

608 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:08:45pm

re: #595 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Please, his name is Vick.


OK so i try not to remember the spelling of a criminal's name.

Forgive me.

609 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:09:52pm

re: #603 wolfie

It is definitely not a part of the upland (Appalachian) south.

I've never heard of such things going on anywhere in the south until the Vick case came up. (That doesn't mean the "black culture" story is false. It just means I've never heard about it & have no reason to believe it.)

I think it may be more associated with the Deep South. I take it the tradition in Appalachia is for the men to do the fighting themselves, while the dogs sleep on the porch :)

610 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:10:30pm

re: #581 realwest
PIMF - its illegal to NOT hire them because they were convicted of committing a crime.
Sigh. And I previewed, too.
Shit.

611 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:10:51pm

re: #600 Quilly Mammoth

When they find Fomalhaut 3, home of the Dorsai, let me know.

::mutter:: can't believe no else saw this.

/Gordon R. Dickson

612 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:11:23pm

re: #593 Catttt

Interesting!

613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:11:47pm

re: #608 shanec99

Bill Hicks was a (very funny/crude/blasphemous) comic. Once after a set (where people paid to see him) two of his "fans" told him they were Christians were very angry about his religious jokes. Bill calmly said, "Forgive me".

614 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:12:02pm

re: #599 gop_patriot

Who's not moving on? Someone posted a link about how poor Vick was down to two Range Rovers, and no yachts- and some others said he was scum. You began telling people to lose their anger and hate, and to forgive and not judge, even though no one had been angry or hateful, unforgiving or any more judgmental than you have been.

This exchange, for example:
Scum is a term people use when they are angry, it frequently comes out of the mind of someone who hates another... it does not demonstrate that they are willing to give the guy a chance to start over. That is what I reacted to. Look back and you will see.


FBV wondered how someone pays for being evil, and you started talking about being 'unwilling to forgive', which is not something he or anyone else had said.

Anyway, I'm done with this, you seem to be a good guy and I don't want to argue with you any more. Agree to disagree on this subject, I guess.

615 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:12:04pm

re: #600 Quilly Mammoth

When they find Fomalhaut 3, home of the Dorsai, let me know.

::mutter:: can't believe no else saw this.

I should have known.

Gordon Dickson was known as a drinker, and he was. When I ran a science fiction convention in college, he took out from his suitcase a wooden box that was a bar, as soon as he got to his hotel room.
Great guy.

616 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:12:09pm

re: #608 shanec99

OK so i try not to remember the spelling of a criminal's name.

Forgive me.


Every time you type Vic I think Vic Damone.

617 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:12:19pm

re: #603 wolfie

It is definitely not a part of the upland (Appalachian) south.

I've never heard of such things going on anywhere in the south until the Vick case came up. (That doesn't mean the "black culture" story is false. It just means I've never heard about it & have no reason to believe it.)

Dog-fighting and cock-fighting have long been part of the Southern Trash culture.

618 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:13:40pm

re: #571 Desert Dog

Charles always has "currently playing"....am I just tech-dumb, or is there a way we listen to those tunes while on LGF?

He wanted to post playlists through Imeem at one time, but they turned out to be too unreliable. I guess there's no good legal way to share music with posters without them going to Amazon.

619 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:13:51pm

re: #609 Moe Katz

You got that straight ! :D

620 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:13:55pm

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bill Hicks was a (very funny/crude/blasphemous) comic. Once after a set (where people paid to see him) two of his "fans" told him they were Christians were very angry about his religious jokes. Bill calmly said, "Forgive me".

LOL that's good. The Christians didn't have a clue what they were in for? Doubt it. Why were they upset for getting what they paid for?

Sheesh.

621 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:14:25pm

re: #617 MandyMannersUnfortunetly that kind of crudeness is world wide.

622 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:14:37pm

re: #612 wolfie

Interesting!

Plus, I think he's cute. /Can you tell I'm a bit of a geek?

623 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:14:43pm

re: #597 shanec99
Do you feel that way about pedophiles? (they are, afaik, the only class of criminals that criminologists say cannot be rehabiitated).

624 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:15:33pm

re: #596 Catttt

Yeah, this is the best news I've heard since Obama was elected. Maybe holding all the cards will force the Democrats to grow the fuck up and behave like Statesmen instead of the combination armed robber/santa claus that they currently behave like.

Maybe. I don't trust them and I especially don't trust Obama. But maybe they're not going to fuck the whole system up within their first hundred days of the Obama Administration.

(Damn, but doesn't it hurt to say those words: Obama Administration? [shudder] :-)

625 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:15:49pm

re: #615 Kosh's Shadow

I should have known.

Gordon Dickson was known as a drinker, and he was. When I ran a science fiction convention in college, he took out from his suitcase a wooden box that was a bar, as soon as he got to his hotel room.
Great guy.

If I have my science fiction straight, I do believe he's responsible for the concept of the "fair witness".

/words to live by, that's always stuck with me, then again, I'm a lawyer now

626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:03pm

re: #620 jcm

Ever seen any Bill Hicks stuff? So...So...So very uncomfortable. And So...So... So... funny.

627 wright1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:26pm

re: #586 Iron Fist

I am not sure they have thought it all through. When you are wired for the acquisition of power for power's sake, little time or care is given as to what you will do when you get there. Even if some synapses were fired to contemplate the magnitude of the job, the coming administration is still way, way in over their heads. The preliminary suggestions on what to do are looking feeble. Despite the media continuing love fest with the BHO experiment, we have not heard anyone with a truly sound idea as to how to correct the financial quagmire we are in and will be in. (There is a word Dems didn't want to hear directed at them - quagmire) When actually in office, BHO's will no doubt behave the way he did before he got elected, namely convincing people to do what they would otherwise never do. Maybe it is agreeing to a tax increase, or universal health care or whatever psuedo-socialist goal he may have; the difference is this time, there are CONSEQUENCES to decisions Mr. Obama will be making And since BHO is wired to throw money at problems, the massive government we look at today will be a dwarf of its unborn colossal future descendant.

628 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:33pm

re: #617 MandyManners

Dog-fighting and cock-fighting have long been part of the Southern Trash culture.

I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Or an eight foot greek.

629 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:34pm

re: #617 MandyManners

Dog-fighting and cock-fighting have long been part of the Southern Trash culture.

/some people eat dirt too

630 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:52pm

re: #610 realwest

PIMF - its illegal to NOT hire them because they were convicted of committing a crime.
Sigh. And I previewed, too.
Shit.

Shouldn't it depend on the seriousness of the crime? I would not want to hire a convicted child molester even if he had done his time. But I would feel differently about a convicted DUI.

631 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:54pm

re: #610 realwest

I thought that was what you meant. The other way would have been insane.

632 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:16:57pm

re: #623 realwest
What about siciopaths? Somehow I don't think the Green River Killer is capable of being rehabilitated.

633 reine.de.tout  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:17:15pm

re: #468 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any Trekies here? Willing to admit it? There was an episode where they're under the planet surface, lady is there with her gigantic bodyguard? Trying to figure out who played the big guy? Anybody know? Know the name of the episode?

Obviously not a Trekie, but I'd like to know who it was.

My Star Trek Compendium - I came up with 3 episodes where being under the planet's surface was a large part of the plot -
The Enemy Within
Return to Tomorrow
Spock's Brain

Maybe one of those is the one you're thinking about.

634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:17:58pm

Bill Hicks! (Language Alert)

635 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:18:34pm

re: #617 MandyManners
"Dog-fighting and cock-fighting have long been part of the Southern Trash culture." Fixed that for you (unless you consider people in South Cental LA and other places) Southern.

636 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:18:51pm

re: #566 shanec99

Again I never said all... please point out a place where I said all. You are inentionally mischaracterizing what I said to score a point. If you want to debate me, please quote me correctly.
I have not misquoted you, and we should be honest if we are engage in an exchange of ideas.

Well, from your 344: "The same people who want Vic put under the jail don't have one word of condemnation for the white collar criminal who cause much more human misery."

That sentence equates two sets of people: the set of those who want Vick to be jailed for a long time, and the set of people who don't condemn white collar criminals. One set = the other. Looks pretty absolute.

If you had said, "You know, there are some people out there who all gung-ho for keeping Michael Vick in the can until Judgment Day, yet the damfools can't seem to understand that white-collar criminals like Ken Lay and the subprime speculators have done them more direct harm than that turkey Vick ever did.", well then, I'd agree with you 100%. I've already stated my theory as to why you are seeing that kind of disconnect.

637 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:19:01pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jeff Dunham has a new show on Comedy Central tomorrow night.

638 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:19:22pm

re: #617 MandyManners

Ah, you have heard of this before the Vick case. Interesting.

I've never even heard of it up-country. I honestly can't see guys around here getting animals to fight when they'd rather do it themselves.

But if it IS a part of poor white culture in parts of the south, you have to figure it would also be a part of poor black culture, since the cultures are pretty much the same.

639 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:19:30pm

re: #626 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever seen any Bill Hicks stuff? So...So...So very uncomfortable. And So...So... So... funny.

He on youtube, sounds like my kind of stuff....

640 soccerdad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:19:50pm

re: #572 gmsc

Still my favorite of all the Speed Racer episodes: The Race Against The Mammoth Car

I liked it because of the bizarre plot, the surprise ending you can see coming from almost the beginning of the episode, and that bizarre noise the Mammoth Car makes whenever it goes by.

Having a character with the name "Inspector Detector" and the weird idea of the "No Limit World Race" are icing on the cake.

Mine too.

641 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:19:53pm

re: #621 pingjockey

Unfortunetly that kind of crudeness is world wide.

I only know about the South.

642 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:01pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bill Hicks! (Language Alert)

Wow, his language is so bad the page won't even load.

643 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:07pm

re: #617 MandyManners

Dog-fighting and cock-fighting have long been part of the Southern Trash culture.

I will have to disagree about that. It's part of trash culture period. Best description I ever read was in one of Jack Londons novels about the Klondike. "White Fang"? I know he wrote two novels about canines from their point of view, and the dog fight scene stuck with me for a long time.

644 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:15pm

re: #622 Catttt

Even more interesting! :)

645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:16pm

re: #637 pingjockey

Jeff Dunham has a new show on Comedy Central tomorrow night.

He "keeeeeeels!" me!

646 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:33pm

re: #618 Salem Huh. I use Imeem all the time (its a free membership) and I share that music with links out here and in e-mails to friends. I don't think that's illegal. I think the problem with Imeem is that you can't play an entire album from cover to cover, ya can usually just pick out one song.

647 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:37pm

re: #617 MandyManners

I know people who believe that cock fighting is a wonderful sport. I tell them its criminal and inhumane.
I also have met people who believe that riding to the hounds is a sport, and steeped in tradition.
I wonder how many people have taken pictures of the fox afterwards.

We tolerate things done in "polite society" and scream bloody murder when poor or uneducated people do the same thimg.

What we are discussing here is the same as the difference in sentencing between crack and powdered cocaine.
Polite society can afford powdered cocaine, poor people, generally inner citity Latinos, balcks and poor whites use crack.

Guess who society beats up more and gives longer sentences?

648 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:50pm

re: #628 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Or an eight foot greek.

I didn't realize what I'd done until about 20 seconds after I posted.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:20:54pm

re: #639 jcm

He on youtube, sounds like my kind of stuff....

see my 634

650 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:21:11pm

re: #629 Killian Bundy

/some people eat dirt too

Don't they have mineral deficiencies?

651 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:21:56pm

re: #627 wright1

I don't disagree with anything you said. It's damn tempting to shed everything that isn't necessary and move to a cabin in Montanna. Hunker down and prepare to take over the rubble after Obama destroys this Country

I am absolutely dreading this Administration. I'm afraid he's going to go in there with a bunch of bullshit Fascist feel-good theories and try to change the basic fabric of our lives. I guess I'm afraid of that because he's said that that was what he intends to do.

652 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:21:59pm

re: #641 MandyManners
Ah. Idiot humans have been having animals fight each other since waaay before the Roman Empire. Dog and Cock fights still go on in lots of places, not just the American South.

653 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:22:01pm

re: #643 BlueCanuck

I will have to disagree about that. It's part of trash culture period. Best description I ever read was in one of Jack Londons novels about the Klondike. "White Fang"? I know he wrote two novels about canines from their point of view, and the dog fight scene stuck with me for a long time.

Call of the Wild. First book I read, when I was in fourth grade.

654 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:22:19pm

re: #625 Killian Bundy
?
I thought that was Heinlein - Stranger in a Strange Land?

Haven't read SF since I was a kid, so I could be wrong.

655 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:22:29pm

re: #635 realwest

"Dog-fighting and cock-fighting have long been part of the Southern Trash culture." Fixed that for you (unless you consider people in South Cental LA and other places) Southern.

Perhaps it got its start in the South, particularly the latter.

656 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:22:46pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Try again. Bad Linkie, FBV....

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:22:55pm

re: #642 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

oops, uh...don't see my 634

Try again...Bill Hicks

658 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:23:17pm

Kitten fighting!

/it's obvious it's losing but it just won't quit

659 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:23:17pm

re: #623 realwest

Do you feel that way about pedophiles? (they are, afaik, the only class of criminals that criminologists say cannot be rehabiitated).

Let me tell you.

I have a 10 yo daughter. Ever heard of self defense in the protection of your loved ones.

I know that may seem harsh, and out of character for all I have said... but if someone rapes my daughter... I will gladly go to the electric chair to ensure that the SOB gets a quick trip to heaven or hell.

I will committ the crime... and I will be willing to pay the penalty.

660 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:23:34pm
re: #385 Rancher

Can't tell if you're quoting that with disapproval or traditional Texan belligerent defiance.

I'm not a big fan of Texas, but a huge Cowboys and Ron White fan. I would love an express lane for New Mexico.

661 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:23:52pm

re: #638 wolfie

Ah, you have heard of this before the Vick case. Interesting.

I've never even heard of it up-country. I honestly can't see guys around here getting animals to fight when they'd rather do it themselves.

But if it IS a part of poor white culture in parts of the south, you have to figure it would also be a part of poor black culture, since the cultures are pretty much the same.

Heck, yeah, I'd heard of it a long time ago. My first encounter with someone who fights cocks was in the mountains south of Johnson City, TN.

662 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:24:19pm

re: #654 Noam Sayin'

Actually you are right. The witness always wears a white robe, and their word is taken as verbatim.

663 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:24:32pm

re: #625 Killian Bundy

If I have my science fiction straight, I do believe he's responsible for the concept of the "fair witness".

/words to live by, that's always stuck with me, then again, I'm a lawyer now

I think Fair Witness came from Heinlein

664 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:24:37pm

re: #638 wolfie

Ah, you have heard of this before the Vick case. Interesting.

I've never even heard of it up-country. I honestly can't see guys around here getting animals to fight when they'd rather do it themselves.

But if it IS a part of poor white culture in parts of the south, you have to figure it would also be a part of poor black culture, since the cultures are pretty much the same.

Poor black culture and poor white culture are NOT the same.

665 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:25:01pm

re: #636 Alberta Oil Peon
You are right... I did err there.

666 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:25:08pm

re: #643 BlueCanuck

I will have to disagree about that. It's part of trash culture period. Best description I ever read was in one of Jack Londons novels about the Klondike. "White Fang"? I know he wrote two novels about canines from their point of view, and the dog fight scene stuck with me for a long time.

I had no idea.

667 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:25:10pm

re: #629 Killian Bundy

Not too often now. The improvement in nutrition has sky-rocketed in the south since 1950 or so.......Far fewer people w/ those weird mineral deficiencies.

668 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:25:16pm

It must be Saturday night. We go from a blood shot eyeball in space to animal fighting!

669 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:25:46pm

re: #651 Iron Fist

I don't disagree with anything you said. It's damn tempting to shed everything that isn't necessary and move to a cabin in Montanna. Hunker down and prepare to take over the rubble after Obama destroys this Country

I am absolutely dreading this Administration. I'm afraid he's going to go in there with a bunch of bullshit Fascist feel-good theories and try to change the basic fabric of our lives. I guess I'm afraid of that because he's said that that was what he intends to do.

Alaska might be better.

Lots of empty country and shoreline.

670 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:26:01pm

This topic is giving me the heebie-jeebies. Back to PSP.

671 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:26:03pm

re: #609 Moe Katz

I think it may be more associated with the Deep South. I take it the tradition in Appalachia is for the men to do the fighting themselves, while the dogs sleep on the porch :)

Hey I'm from Appalachia! I find that very offensive. *Smashes beer bottle* Care to take this out side. Just step over the sleeping mutt on the trailer i use as a porch.
/Seriously I hate Appalachian jokes. Could people stop with the ignorant hillbilly jokes.

672 Aviator  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:26:09pm

re: #661 MandyManners

Heck, yeah, I'd heard of it a long time ago. My first encounter with someone who fights cocks was in the mountains south of Johnson City, TN.

I'm pretty sure there is a joke in there somewhere.

673 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:26:15pm

re: #655 MandyManners

Perhaps it got its start in the South, particularly the latter.

Cock fighting is particularly strong among Latinos, and is legal in Puerto Rico IIRC.

674 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:26:40pm

re: #668 pingjockey

Well it is the SNDT. Cheers!

675 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:26:59pm

re: #654 Noam Sayin'

?
I thought that was Heinlein - Stranger in a Strange Land?

Haven't read SF since I was a kid, so I could be wrong.

You grokked it. (Another word that came from Stranger, later used in "I Grok Spock" buttons.
(Disclaimer - I had a cousin who was in the same amateur theater group as Leonard Nimoy)

676 wright1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:10pm

re: #669 Syrah

Alaska might be better.

Lots of empty country and shoreline.

And a State executive government I would be proud to be a citizen of!

677 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:21pm

re: #635 realwest

Isn't cock-fighting mainly a Caribbean thing? It's still legal in Puerto Rico.
I bet there are some cock fights going on in NYCity.......and not just "Little Jerry" on the Seinfeld show!

678 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:25pm

re: #646 realwest

Huh. I use Imeem all the time (its a free membership) and I share that music with links out here and in e-mails to friends. I don't think that's illegal. I think the problem with Imeem is that you can't play an entire album from cover to cover, ya can usually just pick out one song.

I use it on my MySpace page. Too much traffic trips it up though, I think. There are playlists on Imeem where you can play whole album sometimes, but they it always seems spotty. You can get what you want at Limewire, of course (but I don't, not feeling comfortable swiping music).

679 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:32pm

re: #654 Noam Sayin'

?
I thought that was Heinlein - Stranger in a Strange Land?

Haven't read SF since I was a kid, so I could be wrong.

Yeah, that's it, I've read that too.

/quit reading fiction over two decades ago

680 quickredfox  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:39pm

re: #643 BlueCanuck

I will have to disagree about that. It's part of trash culture period. Best description I ever read was in one of Jack Londons novels about the Klondike. "White Fang"? I know he wrote two novels about canines from their point of view, and the dog fight scene stuck with me for a long time.

White Fang -- the dog is set up to fight other dogs by his cruel owner, until nearly killed in one of the fights, at which point he is rescued. Buck in Call of the Wild also was in fights with other dogs, but not in a "pit" situation like in White Fang.

681 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:40pm

re: #624 Iron Fist
Hi Bro' - listen, for 8 years all the Dems did - and I do mean ALL the Dems did was oppose whatever the hell Bush/Republicans proposed. When the Dems were the minority party in Congress I could sorta understand that: they probably feared being voted down cause they couldn't get enough Republicans to go along with them.
But starting with the 2006 election, the Dems have controlled both houses of Congress and were STILL contrarians - I honestly don't remember them coming up with any ideas that weren't anti-Bush.
Now that they are running the whole show, I think that they HAVE realized that they have to come up with positive ways to help America move forward. I find it refreshing and, frankly, a little hopeful!
Just imagine the Repub ads in 2012 or even 2010 "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?"!

682 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:27:58pm

re: #662 BlueCanuck

I read only a little SF as a youngster, but that was one of my favorites.

683 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:28:50pm

re: #630 Spare O'Lake

If it were up to me the fact that the severity of the crime should drive the sentance the offender faces. I don't think most felony crimes should permenantly brand you with a scarlet letter, to fuck up your life forever.

Of course, I favor the Death Penalty for child molesters. It guarantees that the convict will never offend again.

684 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:29:19pm

re: #640 soccerdad

Mine too.

One of the funnier parts of that episode is when the Mammoth Car (600 feet long!) circles around the Mach 5, machine guns pop out of its side, and it begins firing on the Mach 5.

Apparently nobody on the Mammoth Car staff ever heard that circular firing squads are a bad idea.

685 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:29:20pm

Mandy plays video games?

686 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:29:33pm

re: #674 BlueCanuck
True dat! Was going for a motorcycle ride today. Got up and about 9am PST the wife says what's on the window? Go outside and some little bastards had egged the house. Didn't hit any vehicles but trashed the front of the house and the garage door. Spent the next 3 hours scrubbing frozen splattered egg.

687 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:29:33pm

re: #604 Iron Fist
Ah, please see my mea culpa at #610.

688 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:29:35pm

re: #624 Iron Fist

(Damn, but doesn't it hurt to say those words: Obama Administration? [shudder] :-)

Yeah, but he will be our President. I already felt defensive about him after reading comments by a couple of different German guys (office holders) who called the USA a bunch of mongrels. My answer would be yeah, so? Who was it who said to some German leader "Yes, our flag may look like a peppermint stick, but you'll never lick it"?

/No offense to all the nice Germans out there.

On the other hand, I read about a survey of German women, where 22 percent of them think Obama is sexy. So.

689 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:29:46pm

re: #682 Noam Sayin'

Well I recommend "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress". One of his better works, IMHO. Stranger just got too bizarre at the end.

690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:30:08pm

re: #681 realwest

I have fiercely believed (and stated here) that the closer Obama get's to the big chair, the more sense some of the more conservative principals will begin to make.

I just want to be a fly on the wall when Obama goes over to Ayers house, rings the doorbell, and knocks Ayers the fuck out.

691 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:30:40pm

re: #661 MandyManners

Are you sure he wasn't fighting a family named Cox? :)

/jk

692 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:30:46pm

re: #668 pingjockey

It must be Saturday night. We go from a blood shot eyeball in space to animal fighting!

Hey, Ping!

Welcome to the SNDT, I'm enjoying a 2° Below Winter Ale.

693 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:30:58pm

re: #637 pingjockey

Jeff Dunham has a new show on Comedy Central tomorrow night.

I'm hoping to see Achmed the Dead Terrorist. Achmed has been banned in South Africa BTW,

694 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:31:11pm

re: #671 Neo Con since 9-11

Hey I'm from Appalachia! I find that very offensive. *Smashes beer bottle* Care to take this out side. Just step over the sleeping mutt on the trailer i use as a porch.
/Seriously I hate Appalachian jokes. Could people stop with the ignorant hillbilly jokes.

No offense intended. I'm a big fan of old-time Appalachian music, play guitar and autoharp. Whereabouts are you?

695 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:31:45pm

There is no moral equivalence between what Michael Vick did and "white collar" crime. The dogs were basically tortured to death, and they had no choices, no options. The fact that they were dogs does not make it equal to some lesser crime against humans. I understand the suicide thing. But that is at least a choice, and without torture. No one says that the white collar crime is less than it is. It is just not as bad as torturing something to death. It would be nice if the courts would regularly convict the criminals, Rico Act them, and give it all to their victims. I would guess the foreknowledge of such justice might prevent some suicides. What is a feasible in an official legal punishment, though, does not necessarily mean the criminal has "paid his debt" morally. That would be a function of a change of personality - true repentance - unlikely, but theoretically possible.

696 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:32:12pm

re: #692 jcm
Hmm...wonder if any local stores carry that?!

697 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:32:41pm

re: #688 Catttt

Yeah, but he will be our President. I already felt defensive about him after reading comments by a couple of different German guys (office holders) who called the USA a bunch of mongrels. My answer would be yeah, so? Who was it who said to some German leader "Yes, our flag may look like a peppermint stick, but you'll never lick it"?

/No offense to all the nice Germans out there.

On the other hand, I read about a survey of German women, where 22 percent of them think Obama is sexy. So.

Hah! We should tell 'em a bunch of mongrels kicked they pure bred asses..... twice.

698 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:05pm

re: #693 Rancher
Those crazy South Africans. Must upset their delicate sensibilities.

699 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:17pm

Childhood's End is a classic.

/or, what was in Obama's first classified briefing?

700 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:27pm

re: #632 pingjockey
Well I think you meant sociopaths but they are hardly likely to get out of jail - and would have to be damn lucky to stay alive.
But no, I don't feel that way about people who have an uncontrollable urge to murder other people.

701 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:38pm

re: #696 pingjockey

Hmm...wonder if any local stores carry that?!

Albertson's and Top Foods carry New Belgium.

702 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:43pm

re: #647 shanec99

I know people who believe that cock fighting is a wonderful sport. I tell them its criminal and inhumane.
I also have met people who believe that riding to the hounds is a sport, and steeped in tradition.
I wonder how many people have taken pictures of the fox afterwards.

We tolerate things done in "polite society" and scream bloody murder when poor or uneducated people do the same thimg.

What we are discussing here is the same as the difference in sentencing between crack and powdered cocaine.
Polite society can afford powdered cocaine, poor people, generally inner citity Latinos, balcks and poor whites use crack.

Guess who society beats up more and gives longer sentences?

Guess which group causes more violence, crime and murder here that is associated with their drug selling and use?

703 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:48pm

re: #685 Noam Sayin'

Mandy plays video games?

I'm playing Ratatouille on my PSP now.

704 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:33:52pm

re: #681 realwest

Yeah, you are right. I really hope that in 2010 and 2012 when the Republicans ask if I'm better off, I'll be able to say "Hell, yes!" That is certainly how I feel about the Bush Administration. I've never had it so good.

705 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:34:07pm

re: #633 reine.de.tout

My Star Trek Compendium - I came up with 3 episodes where being under the planet's surface was a large part of the plot -
The Enemy Within
Return to Tomorrow
Spock's Brain

Maybe one of those is the one you're thinking about.

Devil in the Dark is another underground one. But check it out above - someone figured it out - it was the one where an ex-captain (spoiler) . . . . . went all android.

706 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:34:17pm

re: #703 MandyManners

I'm playing Ratatouille on my PSP now.

Great movie.....

707 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:34:19pm

Eyes heavy, starting to mistype/speak. Night folks, see ya in the morning.

708 ggt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:34:34pm

Hey, I had to leave for a while. YOu-all have been talkative. Did I miss any earth-shattering news?

709 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:34:45pm

re: #706 jcm

Great movie.....

My mom took The Kid to see it when it came out.

710 wright1  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:35:11pm

re: #681 realwest


The GOP still has to be careful not getting out manuevered. The Dems will continue to play that hand citing the Republicans as obstructionist.

The GOP needs to get top flight communicators into high positions to stay on message and that message is: Sorry Chris, Keith, Bob, Katie, Barbara, Tim, Charlie or ----, the Dems don't need us to pass their bill - they have the votes. This is their "party". So after the children burn down the house, the adults will be right here to come back when you need us...

Not to put to fine a point on it but when the Dems were the minority party, they would not even discuss legislation with Republicans saying tersely, you get all your members to vote before you even talk to us...well, what do they say about payback?

711 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:35:14pm

re: #697 jcm

Hah! We should tell 'em a bunch of mongrels kicked they pure bred asses..... twice.

Two words: Jesse Owens

712 ggt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:35:22pm

talking movies? Saw the new Bond today. The Bond girls looked like boys. Have to wonder about the person doing the casting.

713 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:35:42pm

re: #664 MandyManners

Poor black culture and poor white culture are NOT the same.

No huge difference in the lowland south, especially in the old days. Same food, same type of religion, similar speech.

714 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:35:42pm

re: #709 MandyManners

My mom took The Kid to see it when it came out.

I'm looking forward to Wall-E.

715 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:36:03pm

re: #700 realwest
I think I should have asked that rhetorically. Are in prisons still in the business of trying to rehabilitate or have we gone straight to just punishment?

716 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:36:29pm

re: #703 MandyManners

I'm playing Ratatouille on my PSP now.

As if you couldn't be hotter...

717 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:36:45pm

re: #714 jcm

I thought it was great!

718 pingjockey  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:37:10pm

Really now, night folks.

719 Catttt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:37:41pm

I have to hit the hay too. My cats are getting restive.

720 Neo Con since 9-11  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:38:00pm

re: #694 Moe Katz

10 miles on the OH side of the WV,KY tristate region, so in other words on the north western edge of Appalachia. And I never thought really never thought you meant any offense.

721 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:38:07pm

re: #671 Neo Con since 9-11

I don't mind the jokes at all. The only time I get ticked off is when people use "hillbilly" or even "redneck" as a pejorative in a serious sentence.
(Greetings from SW VA !)

722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:38:52pm

Goodnight. Hillbilly here to take over for me! Go get 'em wolfie!

723 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:38:55pm

re: #652 pingjockey

You are right... cockfighting is a European sport dating back to before Shakespare... and it was brought to the new world by Europeans who wanted to hold on to something familiar.

Should we judge people today by the conduct of ignorant people more than 500 years ago.

Today cock fighting, dog fighting and other such events are illegal with good reason.
I can't wait to see the reaction when someone mentions bull fighting.

But that too is European and it is celebrated all over the world.

The point is that times change and things that were acceptable 200 years ago are no longer acceptable, and some people try to hold on to the past.
I guess it may be part of the excitement of danger and agression, but I am unsure.
I dont know what it is.

724 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:39:43pm

re: #720 Neo Con since 9-11

10 miles on the OH side of the WV,KY tristate region, so in other words on the north western edge of Appalachia. And I never thought really never thought you meant any offense.

Glad to hear that. I'd like to plan a summer vacation in that area, see the Cumberland Gap and so on.

725 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:40:19pm

re: #683 Iron Fist

If it were up to me the fact that the severity of the crime should drive the sentance the offender faces. I don't think most felony crimes should permenantly brand you with a scarlet letter, to fuck up your life forever.

Of course, I favor the Death Penalty for child molesters. It guarantees that the convict will never offend again.

I agree with your sentiments about child molesters.
In Canada we have a procedure for a convict who has done his time to apply for a pardon. If the pardon is granted then the con does not have to disclose the conviction on a job application. Pardons are usually granted after a number of years (3 or 5 years) have passed and if the con has not reoffended in the meantime.

726 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:41:11pm

re: #695 legalpad

There is no moral equivalence between what Michael Vick did and "white collar" crime. The dogs were basically tortured to death, and they had no choices, no options. The fact that they were dogs does not make it equal to some lesser crime against humans. I understand the suicide thing. But that is at least a choice, and without torture. No one says that the white collar crime is less than it is. It is just not as bad as torturing something to death. It would be nice if the courts would regularly convict the criminals, Rico Act them, and give it all to their victims. I would guess the foreknowledge of such justice might prevent some suicides. What is a feasible in an official legal punishment, though, does not necessarily mean the criminal has "paid his debt" morally. That would be a function of a change of personality - true repentance - unlikely, but theoretically possible.

How many people have killed themselves after they went into depression because they have lost everything they have to white collar criminals?
Vicl caused the death of dogs... White collar criminals sometimes cause suicides.

No equivalence... I beg to differ.

727 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:41:25pm

re: #688 Catttt

I don't know who made your quote, but I like it. The Axis of Weasels can suck my dick. It'll be a cold day in hell before I'd lift my finger the help them.

I don't understand about the "Obama" thing with women, but then I don't know what women see in any man. It is a mystery.

728 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:42:25pm

Heh. Cock fighting.

Can't believe I've left that one alone this whole time.

729 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:43:09pm

re: #651 Iron Fist

Really! How do I reconcile

"Learn from history! Adolph OPENLY PROCLAIMED his intentions in Mein Kampf! Then we LET HIM proceed to implement his murderous insanity! Never again!"

with

"I'm Barack 'Changeling' Obama, here to redistribute YOUR wealth, establish armed-and-army-strong civil battalions, socialize as much as I can, cripple sane dialogue by re-imposing the 'Fairness Doctrine', control the communications media and define ANY CRITICISM as 'racist'. Thanks for making me president!'
730 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:43:12pm

re: #722 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

G'night, FBV ! I got us covered!

731 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:44:31pm

re: #702 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Guess which group causes more violence, crime and murder here that is associated with their drug selling and use?

The group that profits from the manufacture, transportation and selling the drugs is the cause of the crime and violence by my guess. How about you?

732 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:45:53pm

re: #708 ggt

Hey, I had to leave for a while. YOu-all have been talkative. Did I miss any earth-shattering news?

Is Kyle Orton going to play tomorrow? Or do I have to sit through another 3 hours of watching Wrecks Gross Man sabotaging the Bears' season?

733 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:46:06pm

re: #725 Spare O'Lake

We do that in most States, too. I think it is reasonable to have a probation/parole period of time where the ex-convict has to demonstrate his or her willingness to live in society lawfully after their incarceration. If they can do that, then maybe they'll continue to do that.

734 ggt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:46:26pm

re: #732 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

No clue, sorry.

735 Quilly Mammoth  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:46:28pm

re: #615 Kosh's Shadow

The stories are legendary. And think of the Dorsai Irregulars, not only did Gordy Dickson approve of it, he partied with them. It should also be noted that Bob Asprin was an integral founder. I met him at the "Riotcon", the 1976 Star Trek fiasco in NYC where I, just out of Basic, was providing security for a well known child commercial actor on my leave because of a mother connection.

Been a hard core SF fan ever since.

736 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:47:10pm

re: #733 Iron Fist

We do that in most States, too. I think it is reasonable to have a probation/parole period of time where the ex-convict has to demonstrate his or her willingness to live in society lawfully after their incarceration. If they can do that, then maybe they'll continue to do that.

I agree with you.

737 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:48:53pm

re: #704 Iron Fist
LOL! Hell, I'd settle if folks had to actually think about the answer!

738 Killian Bundy  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:49:29pm

re: #732 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Is Kyle Orton going to play tomorrow? Or do I have to sit through another 3 hours of watching Wrecks Gross Man sabotaging the Bears' season?

Kyle Orton

Bears coach Lovie Smith confirmed Friday that Kyle Orton (probable, ankle) is expected to start in Week 11 against Green Bay. Orton had "limited" practice for the third consecutive day.

/da Bears . . . suck

739 ggt  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:49:37pm

Well RW! It's that time again!

weet dreams all!

740 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:50:17pm

re: #737 realwest

LOL! Hell, I'd settle if folks had to actually think about the answer!


Gonna be one hell of a ride my friend.

741 Palandine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:50:39pm

re: #494 shanec99

Once Vick is out, he's paid his debt to society.

However, his chosen profession is in entertainment, which is what professional athletics is. If people are so repelled by his role in dogfighting that they don't want to pay to be entertained by him, well, *rubs fingers together* this is the world's smallest burka-clad woman ululating just for him.

If the people aren't willing to pay his bloated salary any more, he's welcome to find work doing something else.

742 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:50:47pm

re: #726 shanec99

How many people have killed themselves after they went into depression because they have lost everything they have to white collar criminals?
Vicl caused the death of dogs... White collar criminals sometimes cause suicides.

No equivalence... I beg to differ.

I think I covered your objections. But it's moot whether you and I agree. I just don't trust the intent of claiming moral equivalence. It's almost always to let the guilty off. If we were to equal the punishments of the respective types of criminals, I would choose increasing the lesser punishment, not lowering the worst punishment. If it's my people - or dogs who are the victims, I'm the kind of guy that would want the perpetrators out of jail.

743 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:50:49pm

So, who's excited about the Star Trek TOS reboot?

744 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:51:06pm

re: #733 Iron Fist

It really is pretty fair. I know some one personally that went through the penal system and ended up with a pardon many years later. The only reason he went to jail was he got stupid and got caught while doing it. To be fair he had a bad influence with him at the time. He was also lucky that the judge went easy on him. Served 6 months in jail for a restricted weapon offence instead of grand theft auto, transportation fraud, and attempted robbery. It was his only offence at the time. He did his probation and then five years after applied for a pardon which he recieved. His parents and family were very supportive during and after the trial. Some people can be rehabilitated and we shouldn't continue to punish them after they get their lives back in order.

745 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:53:41pm

re: #743 Salem

I have been Star Trekked out since ST:Voyager. If Braga has his mitts all over this it will be an unqualified disaster.

/was also extremely disappointed with "Enterprise"

746 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:54:37pm

re: #741 Palandine

Once Vick is out, he's paid his debt to society.

However, his chosen profession is in entertainment, which is what professional athletics is. If people are so repelled by his role in dogfighting that they don't want to pay to be entertained by him, well, *rubs fingers together* this is the world's smallest burka-clad woman ululating just for him.

If the people aren't willing to pay his bloated salary any more, he's welcome to find work doing something else.

Absolutely... I have no problem with that.

He is an entertainer... he may never play football again... but he should be given a chance to get on with his life without harassment. I can just see PETA picketing the prison when he is released. Good grief.

God gave him two hands and brain, he can earn a living like most of the rest of us without playing professional football, all I want is to have people leave him alone and give him a chance to start over and pick up the pieces of his life.

747 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:57:15pm

re: #715 pingjockey
Hey ping - I think and hope that folks are still in the rehabilitation of prisoners - if for no other reason than if a con doesn't learn something useful to find gainful employement once the con is released, then they go back to doing what they know best: crime.
I've actually done a LOT of research about penology and used to do some pro bono criminal defense work, and I have to tell you that an awful lot of crooks CHOOSE TO BE CROOKS* and those are beyond rehabilitation.
*like the 22 year old who's made a few MILLION bucks selling drugs (Coke and Meth) in just a couple of years - when he gets out of jail - probably before he's 30, he is apt to go back to selling drugs cause he can get rich really FAST and always figures he won't get caught. That's the primary reason drug dealers, on a second offense for hard drugs, will frequently get a 20 year to life sentence at the second conviction.

748 Crux Australis  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:57:23pm

Just out of interest, does it snow in the Appalachian mountains? Are there ski fields? How many months of the year does permanent snow settle there?

749 NelsFree  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:57:59pm

I missed all the comments on the faucet thread.
Water you talkin' about there?

750 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:58:14pm

re: #705 Catttt

Devil in the Dark is another underground one. But check it out above - someone figured it out - it was the one where an ex-captain (spoiler) . . . . . went all android.

Not an ex-captain.

*spoilers*

Nurse Chapel's ex-boyfriend, a famous researcher who secluded himself on a remote planet to carry out experiments in advanced android science. As I recall, he wanted Kirk to awaken true emotions in his female android. He also wanted Nurse Chapel back... which turned out to be problematic, since he had uploaded himself into an android replica when he was dying of an incurable disease. He found out at the end that he was not the man he used to be... his machine parts didn't allow him to experience true human emotions anymore, and that was a deal-breaker. (That, and Kirk having to destroy him in order to secure his and Nurse Chapel's escape from the planet.)

/from memory -- YMMV

751 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:58:31pm

re: #742 legalpad

I think I covered your objections. But it's moot whether you and I agree. I just don't trust the intent of claiming moral equivalence. It's almost always to let the guilty off. If we were to equal the punishments of the respective types of criminals, I would choose increasing the lesser punishment, not lowering the worst punishment. If it's my people - or dogs who are the victims, I'm the kind of guy that would want the perpetrators out of jail.

People know that people who lose thier finacial security can go into depression. It is known.
There is no stronger clinical link than the link between clinical depression and the risk for suicides.
Depression is the overwhelming cause of suicides.

When someone steals someone elses life savings, they are pushing them down the road to depression and eventually suicide.

I value human lives much more than I value a dog's. Disagree with me if you like, but I cannot believe that a person who willfully defrauds people does not know that that fraud can cause mental anguish.

752 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 9:59:33pm

re: #747 realwest

Hey ping - I think and hope that folks are still in the rehabilitation of prisoners - if for no other reason than if a con doesn't learn something useful to find gainful employement once the con is released, then they go back to doing what they know best: crime.
I've actually done a LOT of research about penology and used to do some pro bono criminal defense work, and I have to tell you that an awful lot of crooks CHOOSE TO BE CROOKS* and those are beyond rehabilitation.
*like the 22 year old who's made a few MILLION bucks selling drugs (Coke and Meth) in just a couple of years - when he gets out of jail - probably before he's 30, he is apt to go back to selling drugs cause he can get rich really FAST and always figures he won't get caught. That's the primary reason drug dealers, on a second offense for hard drugs, will frequently get a 20 year to life sentence at the second conviction.

Here in WA we put in a 3 strikes your out, for violent felonies, and 2 strikes for pedophiles.

I'm all for giving them a chance to get it straightened out.

753 solomonpanting  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:00:27pm

Brown clouds of pollution a huge threat to Asia: UN

The key phrase:

The soot that has fallen on the glaciers of the Himalayas and other mountainous regions of Asia have amplified the effects of climate change, because the black particles absorb more heat.

754 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:00:50pm

re: #752 jcm

Here in WA we put in a 3 strikes your out, for violent felonies, and 2 strikes for pedophiles.

I'm all for giving them a chance to get it straightened out.


Me too.

755 jcm  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:01:00pm

re: #749 NelsFree

I missed all the comments on the faucet thread.
Water you talkin' about there?

It was a slow dripping punishment....

756 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:02:29pm

re: #755 jcm

It was a slow dripping punishment....


Water boarding?

757 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:02:57pm

re: #729 Karridine

I think you have to do what our society is doing. He was lawfully elected President. As long as he is giving Lawful orders, said orders should be obeyed, even if you think he's making a mistake. What you have to do is be willing to disobey unlawful orders, even if the have real positive impact on the situation. That is how the UCMJ (tempered by year and years since I looked at it) requires soldiers to behave.

"I was just following orders" isn't sufficient for the Military, and it shouldn't be a shield for civillian members of the Obama Administration, or State and local authorities.

I think Obama is going to be a disaster. I have taken certain steps for that eventuality. I want to be prepared as possible if the flag goes up. So do a lot of other people. We went to a gun shop today (the Girlfriend is interested in getting her carry permit) and the place was packed. There was a long waiting list for the lanes in the indoor shooting range, and people were buying weapons.

The Obama Administration shouldn't be given a "honeymoon" period, either. He should be opposed by the Republicans from the start. The vetting of his cabinet should be thorough and fearless. I'm not saying reject everyone out of hand, but they should be held to strict standards, including their political philosophy.

I think that, as a nation, we are preparing fo rthe worst. They may not be in the Moonbat Hunting Preserve at Berkely, but out hear in flyover country we are. Obama is in for a shock, I think. He was not elected to be our dictator, let alone a god. Let's wish him success where his success is for the good of the country. And wish him failure in the cases that his success would harm the country.

758 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:02:59pm

re: #745 BlueCanuck

I have been Star Trekked out since ST:Voyager. If Braga has his mitts all over this it will be an unqualified disaster.

/was also extremely disappointed with "Enterprise"

I'm digging it. But I've always wanted to see the original series resurrected. Never had any interest in the other incarnations. I have given Enterprise a miss entirely. All I had to know was that Quantum Leap guy was the star.

759 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:05:33pm

If there weren't any prisons, MSNBC would be shit-outta'-luck for programming on the weekend.

760 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:05:42pm

re: #757 Iron Fist

Sounds real, Iron.

Practical, realistic... thank you.

761 Iron Fist  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:07:08pm

I'm off to bed, friends. My Girlfriend wanted me there an hour ago. Have a nice night.

762 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:07:25pm

re: #758 Salem

From what I saw, he was a good casting choice. My problems were that they totally destroyed the previous "Canon" of history. Like the pilot episode. Running into the Klingon Empire, at least a century before the "Ranger Incident". The Vulcans being way ahead technology wise, Militaristic Andorians(though I did like the make up), running into Ferengi, the whole time war thing, etc.

/and that was just the first season

763 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:07:40pm

re: #759 MandyManners

If there weren't any prisons, MSNBC would be shit-outta'-luck for programming on the weekend.


You may be on to something there. But how does that keep them viable, they have to sell ads... Cons cannot be a good demographic to advertive to.

764 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:07:48pm

re: #748 Crux Australis

Yep, it snows in the Appalachians. They've developed some ski resorts in NC, WVA, and VA...wherever they think they can get a return on the huge investment of putting in roads.
Snow and rain patterns are downright bizarre. You can be driving thru the mtns on a bright sunny day, then turn a corner and be in a blizzard. The temperatures will vary greatly during the day time. You are not apt to have long periods during the winter when the temperatures are consistenly below freezing. They rely heavily on machine-made snow, needless to say.

765 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:08:06pm

re: #757 Iron Fist

I feel especially bad for the people in the intel community who will have to prepare material and brief the bunch of Soros approved anti-American bums who will occupy high positions in the BO administration.

/We have met the enemy, and he is our boss!

766 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:08:33pm

re: #761 Iron Fist

I'm off to bed, friends. My Girlfriend wanted me there an hour ago..

That sounds familiar ;)

767 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:08:56pm

re: #749 NelsFree

They must've gone thru every pun about water and plumbing known to man.......except that one! Good job! :)

768 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:09:41pm

Future, Faucet, and Formalhaut B. I can't wait for the next "F"!

769 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:10:01pm

re: #765 CIA Reject

I feel especially bad for the people in the intel community who will have to prepare material and brief the bunch of Soros approved anti-American bums who will occupy high positions in the BO administration.

/We have met the enemy, and he is our boss!

"enemy" will be redefined.

770 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:10:38pm

re: #762 BlueCanuck

Ferengi? That's a Sanskrit-Hindi word for alien, foreigner...

I never saw the series... what is a Ferengi? (the Thai word farang is a modern form of this word, applied today to white-foreigners)

771 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:11:09pm

re: #751 shanec99

People know that people who lose thier finacial security can go into depression. It is known.
There is no stronger clinical link than the link between clinical depression and the risk for suicides.
Depression is the overwhelming cause of suicides.

When someone steals someone elses life savings, they are pushing them down the road to depression and eventually suicide.

I value human lives much more than I value a dog's. Disagree with me if you like, but I cannot believe that a person who willfully defrauds people does not know that that fraud can cause mental anguish.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but none of it contradicts what I said.

772 wolfie  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:11:41pm

re: #751 shanec99

I have to believe there is a special place in hell for unrepentent con-men who steal the life savings of old people in particular.

773 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:12:06pm

re: #624 Iron Fist

Yeah, this is the best news I've heard since Obama was elected. Maybe holding all the cards will force the Democrats to grow the fuck up and behave like Statesmen instead of the combination armed robber/santa claus that they currently behave like.

Maybe. I don't trust them and I especially don't trust Obama. But maybe they're not going to fuck the whole system up within their first hundred days of the Obama Administration.

(Damn, but doesn't it hurt to say those words: Obama Administration? [shudder] :-)

You forget your Poe -- I commend you to The System of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether. When the lunatics take over the asylum, they don't suddenly break out in fits of sanity.

774 MandyManners  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:12:31pm

re: #763 shanec99

You may be on to something there. But how does that keep them viable, they have to sell ads... Cons cannot be a good demographic to advertive to.

They don't have much disposable income, and I somehow doubt the prisons are allowed to air those shows.

775 Salem  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:12:59pm

re: #762 BlueCanuck

From what I saw, he was a good casting choice. My problems were that they totally destroyed the previous "Canon" of history. Like the pilot episode. Running into the Klingon Empire, at least a century before the "Ranger Incident". The Vulcans being way ahead technology wise, Militaristic Andorians(though I did like the make up), running into Ferengi, the whole time war thing, etc.

/and that was just the first season

Enterprise is being ignored for the reboot, but let's face it:there could never be said to be a valid canon in the first place. It's blown to pieces in the first episodes of the original series, as far as I'm concerned, long before they even conceived of it ever being a concern.

"Irritating? Ah, yes. One of your Earth emotions."

Puhleeze...

776 calcajun  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:13:00pm

OT - Just watched "Kung Fu Panda" with the whole family. Laughing with your kids is great medicine. So is a bottle or Merlot. I recommend both to you all.

Now, must take the Akitas for a stagger.

777 Palandine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:14:50pm

re: #763 shanec99

You may be on to something there. But how does that keep them viable, they have to sell ads... Cons cannot be a good demographic to advertive to.

Those Lockup shows have made me more hardcore on punishment than I ever was before. Given that it's MSNBC, I doubt that was the intention.

778 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:15:05pm

re: #752 jcm Yeah, iirc, NYS went to a 3 strike rule but it didn't really work out because judges would look at a guy who was facing his third strike (say for gambling illegally) and would let him walk rather than use that third strike.
I think that's a HUGE mistake - if crooks know that the 3 strike rule is gonna be enforced - no matter what the felonly is (NYS doesn't have a 3 strike rule for misdeameanors cause they NEVER go to jail) then the one's who CAN be rehabilitated won't wind up getting that third strike against 'em.

779 soccerdad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:15:14pm

re: #765 CIA Reject

I feel especially bad for the people in the intel community who will have to prepare material and brief the bunch of Soros approved anti-American bums who will occupy high positions in the BO administration.

/We have met the enemy, and he is our boss!

ironic ain't it? that our president would probably get rejected for a TS clearance.

780 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:15:43pm

re: #770 Karridine

They were a trader race from ST:TNG and in subsequent series as well. Dealing with them was Caveat Emptor, big time. It dosen't surprise me that it's an actual Terrestrial word. After all the Klingon language borrowed a lot of grammar from Japanese apparently.

781 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:15:59pm

re: #769 Syrah

"enemy" will be redefined.

No doubt, but semantics aside picture yourself as an S&T specialist who has been assigned to brief some Bill Ayers clone on the details of a top secret terrorist surveillance operation. What do you do? Refuse to do your duty (losing your job in the process) and protect a national asset, or do your duty and compromise a top secret asset?

Not fun....

782 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:16:42pm

re: #777 Palandine

Those Lockup shows have made me more hardcore on punishment than I ever was before. Given that it's MSNBC, I doubt that was the intention.

Try watching Gangland on the History Channel, and keep yourself from lining your walls with sandbags while looking for a BAR.

783 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:17:16pm

re: #779 soccerdad

"Ironic?"

What a revoltin' development!

784 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:17:53pm

re: #771 legalpad

I don't disagree with anything you said, but none of it contradicts what I said.

White collar criminals are doing much more damage to America and Americans than Vick did. Yet you see no moral equvalence... good lord.

I give up.

You are either unwilling to deal with the real impact of white collar crime or you have a personal dislike of Vick.

If there is another reason you tell me.

My position is one that I will stand by. All criminals should go to jail and pay a price.

If a criminal has served his punishment he should be given an opportuntity to become a law abiding citizen.

Career criminals (white collar or othersise) should be subject to the laws enacted in various jurisdictions (3 strikes etc).

If you cant see the logic of my position when stated this simply I give up. You win.

OK you win. I refuse to argue this point anymore.

785 jorline  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:18:23pm

Good morning, Lizards.

786 Palandine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:18:30pm

re: #770 Karridine

Ferengi? That's a Sanskrit-Hindi word for alien, foreigner...

I never saw the series... what is a Ferengi? (the Thai word farang is a modern form of this word, applied today to white-foreigners)

The Ferengi were short bald aliens with enormous earlobes and pointy teeth. Bad guys in TNG, indifferent to good guys in DS9. They were unapologetically into making money, as opposed to the Commie Federation-their philosophy was known as the Rules of Acquisition. Some Star Trek critics thought they were being used as proxies for Jews to score anti-Semitic points, but I didn't see that.

/Palandine is named after a Cardassian character in a DS9 novel.

787 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:19:22pm

re: #772 wolfie

I have to believe there is a special place in hell for unrepentent con-men who steal the life savings of old people in particular.

Unrepentant ones.... yes, that is my position exactly.

788 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:19:41pm

re: #779 soccerdad

ironic ain't it? that our president would probably get rejected for a TS clearance.

Cold comfort for those with the clearances who will daily risk life and limb to acquire, safeguard, and deliver intelligence information to him.

789 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:20:24pm

re: #780 BlueCanuck

Thanks, Blue!

Hollyweird writers just hafta make it FOREIGN-sounding for the American couch-taters, that's enough... that any TV language is rooted in (Some) real-world language/culture is no surprise to me! :D

790 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:20:51pm

re: #787 shanec99

Unrepentant ones.... yes, that is my position exactly.

Boil 'em in oil, I say.

791 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:22:08pm

re: #781 CIA Reject

No doubt, but semantics aside picture yourself as an S&T specialist who has been assigned to brief some Bill Ayers clone on the details of a top secret terrorist surveillance operation. What do you do? Refuse to do your duty (losing your job in the process) and protect a national asset, or do your duty and compromise a top secret asset?

Not fun....

Not fun at all.

It brings to mind a method for finding leaks and moles. Let out enough information, very carefully tailored to be unique enough so that if the information was leaked, it would be traceable to only one person.

792 gmsc  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:22:32pm

re: #772 wolfie

I have to believe there is a special place in hell for unrepentent con-men who steal the life savings of old people in particular.

What about the charming con men?

793 rawmuse  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:23:51pm

re: #785 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Hey, you're up late! It is still evening here.
BTW, the scientist I had over for dinner tonight is chums with the discoverer of this planetary system. We talked about what an unlikely thing it is have a habitable planet. Even on our own planet, now habitable, it was preceded by an enormous period of time in which nothing lived, and its fate shall be to be incinerated by our own sun.

All we have is this little window of time in between those 2 sterilizing events.

So, lighten up already. :)

794 BlueCanuck  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:24:01pm

re: #789 Karridine

No problem, I was a hard core Star Trek geek growing up. Use it to annoy my friends who are hard core Star Wars geeks. ;)

795 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:24:14pm

re: #790 Moe Katz

Boil 'em in oil, I say.


Good Lord... I would hate to have you ever elected Judge and I get caught peeing on the side of the road because there are no public rest rooms available.

796 Karridine  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:24:20pm

re: #788 CIA Reject

Cold comfort for those with the clearances who will daily risk life and limb to acquire, safeguard, and deliver intelligence information to him.

Precisely, CIA!

I served on an island on the Korean DMZ, with the formal, explicit knowledge that in case of NorK aggression, we had a life-expectancy of about 12-15 minutes!

797 stuiec  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:24:34pm

re: #781 CIA Reject

No doubt, but semantics aside picture yourself as an S&T specialist who has been assigned to brief some Bill Ayers clone on the details of a top secret terrorist surveillance operation. What do you do? Refuse to do your duty (losing your job in the process) and protect a national asset, or do your duty and compromise a top secret asset?

Not fun....

Is this kind of like the Clinton Administration preparing the secret missile strike on Bin Laden... and then telling the Pakistanis about it in advance so that they wouldn't be offended by an American cruise missile passing over their territory? (Knowing full well that the members of Pakistan's IIS would alert Bin Laden so as to protect their 'asset'?)

798 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:25:00pm

re: #782 Noam Sayin'

Try watching Gangland on the History Channel, and keep yourself from lining your walls with sandbags while looking for a BAR.


HEY NOAM! Listen, if you really want to be scared out of your mind, ya gotta watch the National Geographic Channel - they have a continual series of gangs in prison, how to survive in prison, violence in prison - "authorized" by the guards and unauthorized violence and this whole bizarre code of conduct. Holy Crap, you'll want to add an M-60 and a few other goodies!

799 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:26:30pm

re: #785 jorline
Hey hi there my friend. Uh, when you get a chance, kindly check your e-mail my friend!

800 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:26:33pm

re: #795 shanec99

Good Lord... I would hate to have you ever elected Judge and I get caught peeing on the side of the road because there are no public rest rooms available.

I'm a soft conservative Canadian ... but for those who cheat the elderly, I'd throw away the key.

801 jorline  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:27:45pm

re: #793 rawmuse

Hey, you're up late! It is still evening here.
BTW, the scientist I had over for dinner tonight is chums with the discoverer of this planetary system. We talked about what an unlikely thing it is have a habitable planet. Even on our own planet, now habitable, it was preceded by an enormous period of time in which nothing lived, and its fate shall be to be incinerated by our own sun.

All we have is this little window of time in between those 2 sterilizing events.

So, lighten up already. :)

crap rawmuse, now I'm depressed and going to bed.
//

802 legalpad  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:27:54pm

re: #784 shanec99

White collar criminals are doing much more damage to America and Americans than Vick did. Yet you see no moral equivalence... good lord.
I give up.
You are either unwilling to deal with the real impact of white collar crime or you have a personal dislike of Vick.
If there is another reason you tell me.
My position is one that I will stand by. All criminals should go to jail and pay a price.
If a criminal has served his punishment he should be given an opportuntity to become a law abiding citizen.
Career criminals (white collar or otherwise) should be subject to the laws enacted in various jurisdictions (3 strikes etc).
If you cant see the logic of my position when stated this simply I give up. You win.
OK you win. I refuse to argue this point anymore.

You do not understand me. I am not recommending that white collar criminals not be punished. (You seem to think I am- I don't know why.) I am suggesting that if we make the punishment of the dog-killer and the white-collar criminal the same, that it should be the heavier punishment, not the lighter one. In other words, don't let Michael Vick off the hook because someone punishes a white-collar criminal less. Punish the white-collar criminal more.

Nowhere have I defended the white-collar criminal or recommended that we lighten his punishment.

803 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:28:32pm

re: #791 Syrah Hi Syrah - the only problem is that I don't think they'll be any leaks - I think Obama will just have someone call the NYTimes directly!

804 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:28:42pm

re: #791 Syrah

Not fun at all.

It brings to mind a method for finding leaks and moles. Let out enough information, very carefully tailored to be unique enough so that if the information was leaked, it would be traceable to only one person.

Yes, "canary traps". But even if you trap a canary I'd be willing to bet that he would not be vigorously prosecuted (picture dozens of Sandy Bugers) and anybody who would attempt to mount such a prosecution would be putting his career on the line. ("Oh, Attorney General Gorelick, we've opened an espionage case on the Secretary of Defense...)

Nightmare....

805 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:29:15pm

re: #721 wolfie

I don't mind the jokes at all. The only time I get ticked off is when people use "hillbilly" or even "redneck" as a pejorative in a serious sentence.
(Greetings from SW VA !)

Speaking of offensive derogatory jokes, try being a sheep rancher!

806 Moe Katz  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:29:45pm

re: #805 Rancher

Speaking of offensive derogatory jokes, try being a sheep rancher!

Bet you've heard 'em all.

807 jorline  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:29:58pm

re: #799 realwest

Hey hi there my friend. Uh, when you get a chance, kindly check your e-mail my friend!

I did...thanks for the email. I responded...check yours again.

How are you tonight my friend? I'm just waiting for the ambian to kick in...I'll probably be out in 15 minutes...lol

808 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:31:53pm

re: #796 Karridine

Precisely, CIA!

I served on an island on the Korean DMZ, with the formal, explicit knowledge that in case of NorK aggression, we had a life-expectancy of about 12-15 minutes!

G*d bless you for that Karridine. It would be as if you were delivering targeting information on your position directly to the NorK gunners!

The loyalty, and creativity of the USIC is about to be severely tested.

809 realwest  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:32:02pm

re: #807 jorline
Hey, I'm doing ok, but my meds have kicked in and I gotta go to sleep now!

I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

Good night, all.

810 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:33:07pm

re: #797 stuiec

Is this kind of like the Clinton Administration preparing the secret missile strike on Bin Laden... and then telling the Pakistanis about it in advance so that they wouldn't be offended by an American cruise missile passing over their territory? (Knowing full well that the members of Pakistan's IIS would alert Bin Laden so as to protect their 'asset'?)

Only in this case the missiles will be flying at US assets.

811 LeePro  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:33:32pm

re: #772 wolfie

I have to believe there is a special place in hell for unrepentent con-men who steal the life savings of old people in particular.

Agree. Big time!

812 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:34:21pm

re: #804 CIA Reject

Yes, "canary traps". But even if you trap a canary I'd be willing to bet that he would not be vigorously prosecuted (picture dozens of Sandy Bugers) and anybody who would attempt to mount such a prosecution would be putting his career on the line. ("Oh, Attorney General Gorelick, we've opened an espionage case on the Secretary of Defense...)

Nightmare....

Prosecute them nothing. (Not until the administration changes. or they realize that they have been found out.)

These "Canaries" can be more useful in spreading false information or in helping trace and expose networks.

Sometimes it can be very useful knowing who has a particular enemies ear. They can be made into unwitting assets.

813 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:37:03pm

re: #812 Syrah

Prosecute them nothing. (Not until the administration changes. or they realize that they have been found out.)

These "Canaries" can be more useful in spreading false information or in helping trace and expose networks.

Sometimes it can be very useful knowing who has a particular enemies ear. They can be made into unwitting assets.

Agreed, but the oversight requirements for such operations are similar, if not more stringent, than those for prosecution so every operation will be pre-blown for your (in)convenience.

814 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:37:16pm

re: #708 ggt

Hey, I had to leave for a while. YOu-all have been talkative. Did I miss any earth-shattering news?

Is Kyle Orton going to play tomorrow? Or do I have to sit through another 3 hours of watching Wrecks Gross Man sabotaging the Bears' season?re: #738 Killian Bundy

Kyle Orton

Bears coach Lovie Smith confirmed Friday that Kyle Orton (probable, ankle) is expected to start in Week 11 against Green Bay. Orton had "limited" practice for the third consecutive day.

/da Bears . . . suck

Well, I'm not expecting them to get back to the Super Bowl. But with their remaining schedule (easiest in the NFL), they should win the NFC North. And the ONLY NFC NOrth team going to the playoffs will be the division winner, since the wildcard team will be from the NFC East.

815 CIA Reject  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:38:18pm

Falling asleep- good night all!

816 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:38:26pm

re: #759 MandyManners

If there weren't any prisons, MSNBC would be shit-outta'-luck for programming on the weekend.

Now that's funny! And sad but true.

817 shanec99  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:40:30pm

re: #800 Moe Katz
Hmmm... that is one approach.

The throw away the key approach I reserve for chronic offenders.

818 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:41:31pm

re: #813 CIA Reject

Agreed, but the oversight requirements for such operations are similar, if not more stringent, than those for prosecution so every operation will be pre-blown for your (in)convenience.

If there were easy answers, there would be no worries.

Good night.

819 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:42:59pm

re: #806 Moe Katz

Bet you've heard 'em all.

I think so, but I'm waiting to be proved wrong. It really does't bother me, I spent five years as a prison guard and my skin is hippo thick.

820 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:49:43pm

re: #803 realwest

Hi Syrah - the only problem is that I don't think they'll be any leaks - I think Obama will just have someone call the NYTimes directly!

Obama has already set the example and the standard for his Administration when he met with President Bush.

No secrets.

Obama and his acolytes will be too self-righteous to be able to keep any secret for any length of time.

The Valerie Plame affair? it will seem like a nothing of an afterthought.

821 Rancher  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 10:55:46pm

re: #820 Syrah
I disagree, there were LLLs in the State Department, the Justice Department, the CIA, and the NSA who were willing to leak anything, regardless of the damage to America, just to damage Bush. You won't see that from conservatives in those agencies because we are not them.

822 Syrah  Sat, Nov 15, 2008 11:01:18pm

re: #821 Rancher

I disagree, there were LLLs in the State Department, the Justice Department, the CIA, and the NSA who were willing to leak anything, regardless of the damage to America, just to damage Bush. You won't see that from conservatives in those agencies because we are not them.

I don't think that "conservatives" in those agencies will leak anything. It will be the same LLLs.

The New York Times already seems to have inside lines. Leakers leak. I don't think they can help themselves.

823 Jed 1899  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 12:11:14am

Anyone mention yet that the picture looks like a cat eye?

824 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 1:13:59am

Greetings Earthlings! I am Jabba the Fomalhaut!

825 Tigger2005  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 1:14:50am

re: #823 Jed 1899

Anyone mention yet that the picture looks like a cat eye?

It's the Eye of Sauron. Even destroying his Ring didn't kill the bastard.

826 Areozol  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 2:08:36am

Imagine, how many stars have planets.

Imagine how many of them could support life as we know it.

Imagine how many of them could be closer than 50 years from our solar system.

Imagine how our space programs are screwed up.

827 Irish Rose  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 7:50:08am

Wow, how cool is that?!

828 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #37 6pat6

It would be cool if there were a Hubble flying around what we call Fomalhut B, taking like pics of our Sun, and their scientists saying "Look, there is a planet around that star, look!" and it's us!

Unless they have way better telescopes than ours, the best they could do would be to see the outer gas giants. Maybe only Jupiter and Saturn. Even that would be tough---our gas giants are much closer to our star than theirs is to theirs.

If they're there, and they have that high a technology, how come they haven't seen us long since and beamed us a hello? Formalhaut isn't that far away. 25 piddling light years. Easy hailing distance for a big radio telescope.

829 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 16, 2008 10:23:40am

re: #825 Tigger2005

It's the Eye of Sauron. Even destroying his Ring didn't kill the bastard.

Almost everything in that picture is an artifact of the imaging process. When you block out the star at the center of the picture, some of the light passing near the edge of your obscuring disk gets refracted into the image. That's what we're seeing, except for that one little speck which is the planet, and a background star over at the bottom left. Almost all noise, just barely enough signal.

830 Nemesis6  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 7:55:43am

Gotta say my favorite is the Andromeda galaxy and the Tarantula nebula. Google image for those, they have some excellent, high res pictures of those.


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