Ugh.

I'd really like to meet him in a dark alley.

well, until they repent, they are not ex terrorists, they are terrorists

re: #3 phoenixgirl

well, until they repent, they are not ex terrorists, they are terrorists

No their not, they are friends of the President?

The audacity!

More like acceptance of stupidity than rejection of politics of fear.

This was all love... except for that troublemaker in Philly wearing that inflamatory counter-revolutionary McCain/Palin shirt.
/

I didn't realize an era could be only 7 years long.

re: #2 astronmr20

I'd really like to meet him in a dark alley.

I think I've seen a photo of him in a dark alley while standing on an American flag.

Oh yeah, and Obama only sorta knew this guy who was his neighbor down the street. :rolls eyes:

I would personally like to see him hanging from those rings in his earlobes until he yelled uncle.........

Uncle Joe, no doubt........

When Charles puts up a thread like this, there is a 50-50% chance someone is gonna get the stick?

Huh? Who blamed gays and lesbians for 9/11? Dude's on crack.

Right in the spot where 40 years before they had been beaten and dragged to jail!

How poignant.

/Excuse me while I puke

And as Hemmingway once wrote, "She's a bitch with handles."

My stomach just can't take this. Legitimizing terrorists. Can America rebound? I'm starting to lose hope

Rejection of the "politics of fear" indeed. America used to be feared by her enemies, now she will be laughed at...

Listening to Dohrn and Ayers is like sharing a glass of Kool Aid with Jim Jones.

I cannot even watch it that is how ill these two make me...

Underlying the concept of Democracy is the idea that Might Makes Right and that the "majority"* may do what it wishes to any minority or any individual.

The Founders rejected that notion in favor of a Constitutional Republic governed under the Rule of Law where the powers of government are limited and rights of individuals are protected. a concept explicitly rejected by Die Grosse NULL and his supporters.

*Thus the use of the term "Bolshevik" for Lenin's faction which was in fact a minority. Gosh, what a surprise...

Obama's election was "a rejection of the politics of fear"....

Hmmm. Wasn't it the goal of these two wackos to spread fear by violent means back in the 70's?

Guess they'd know all about "the politics of fear", then.

/spit

re: #9 Sharmuta

I didn't realize an era could be only 7 years long.

welcome to the ADD generation...

re: #19 gymnast

Listening to Dohrn and Ayers is like sharing a glass of Kool Aid with Jim Jones.

I saw somewhere it was the anniversary of that (event).

Where else have we seen a bunch of kool-aid drinking recently?

I have a question Bill, have you rejected the politics of fear (terrorism)?

re: #24 imploder

I saw somewhere it was the anniversary of that (event).

Where else have we seen a bunch of kool-aid drinking recently?

A week ago last Tuesday?

Our new Attorney General and Secretary of Education.

/PUKE!

re: #26 gymnast

A week ago last Tuesday?

ding ding ding! Here's a glass of Goofy Grape! Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. hahaha

re: #25 wright1

I have a question Bill, have you rejected the politics of fear (terrorism)?

Why don't you wait till after you and I have had the pleasure of being in the Obama re-education camps, and then ask that question?

re: #8 abolitionist

This was all love... except for that troublemaker in Philly wearing that inflamatory counter-revolutionary McCain/Palin shirt.
/

I've been looking. I can't seem to find any kind of follow up to that story. Anyone know if he was prosecuted? Released?

I just ate lunch, so you will forgive me if I put this aside to watch later. I just don't think my stomach could handle it.

re: #29 Nevergiveup

Why don't you wait till after you and I have had the pleasure of being in the Obama re-education camps, and then ask that question?

Speaking of which, I saw some black radical on a cable news show objecting to using the expression "drank the Kool-aid" - know why? You'd be a rascist. I was like, wha?

He's been vetted and vetted and vetted and there's nothing there....

Got it partly right.

re: #25 wright1

I have a question Bill, have you rejected the politics of fear (terrorism)?

They haven't rejected it. Now they inject fear by using the power of the government to enforce it. PC is the politics of fear.

I was raised by parents who were on the other side of the 60s- these 2 are slimy, murdering mofos. . .

spit and spit

...a rejection of the politics of fear.

It was Dohrn and Ayers who embraced and pursued the politics of fear in the 60s and 70s---and they never renounced it. It's disgraceful how the MSM, which couldn't seem to find these two vultures during the recent campaign, now can't get enough of their lies and evasions.

re: #32 wright1

Speaking of which, I saw some black radical on a cable news show objecting to using the expression "drank the Kool-aid" - know why? You'd be a rascist. I was like, wha?

Well...it is defined by its color. Without color, it would be just another glass of water.

Racist

Hey Bernardine, kill any police officers lately?

/these people are allowed teach our children?

It's really rich hearing Dohrn talk about "tragedy and pain and suffering" when she and the other weathermen were responsible for causing so much of it.

The program should be named "Murderers' Row".

And the emperor-has-no-clothes-moment is of course where the h--- were the media for the past two years. What did these two suddenly surface from their weather underground rathole?

Interview with a left-wing bullshit artist.

They sure love to hear themselves talk.

re: #35 DisturbedEma

I was raised by parents who were on the other side of the 60s- these 2 are slimy, murdering mofos. . .

spit and spit

And I'll bet your parents worked for a living too, right?

I refuse to be lectured by these two BOURGEOIS loafers who have never done a day's work in their lives!

There aren't going to be any reeducation camps. There aren't enough Democrat votes for that kind of tyranny, even if all the Republicans took a vacation.

Ayers and Dohrn must be disappointed that the politics of fear has been rejected. What's the fun of terrorism if nobody's afraid of you? This country is not made of weaklings and cowards.

Guilty as sin, free as a bird. Walk on in peace, but we have not forgotten who you are and what you did.

Watching the media give legitimacy to unrepentant terrorists...

*spit*

How does one demand PEACE.........?

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

That might be true but this guy was saying it is a drink of black people...?

Stating the obvious, I thought nearly everyone who uses the reference means to say that you have just been duped.

"All unity and all love."
Heh.

"...like Bernadine said, how do we build a movment ...."

A.K.A. ... how do we implement Prairie Fire

re: #38 yesandno

Well...it is defined by its color. Without color, it would be just another glass of water.

Racist

Certainly defined by color as it is hard to define by taste. As I had stated a couple of weeks ago on the same subject-in the Army we always referred to kool-aid by color, not flavor. As in "give me some of the red kool-aid".

For the curious, kool-aid was used to kill the flavor of the water purification tablets. Didn't work, if I recall.

My favorite picture of Bill Ayers. I think it captures his true essence best.

William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

/I smell Lincoln bedroom!

They are obsessed with fear. That should scream out to anyone listening.

re: #55 Killian Bundy

/I smell Lincoln bedroom!

Now you have gone too far. I am ill.

Geese - the interviewer says - "when you settled your problems with the law" - interesting spin. abt 5 mins in.

November 4th : Ayers and Dohrn, can't be found.
Novermber 6th: Ayers and Dohrn, all over the television.

These two should be ashamed to show their faces in public.

re: #55 Killian Bundy

/I smell Lincoln bedroom!

Funny, only thing I can smell about those two is fecal matter.

re: #14 eff plus

Huh? Who blamed gays and lesbians for 9/11? Dude's on crack.

After 9/11, Jerry Falwell did just that. He said, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

Here's hoping Falwell is burning in hell, and Ayers joins him before too long.

re: #51 Killgore Trout

"All unity and all love."
Heh.

How many flowers was it that Mao said should bloom?
Oh, the loveliness of it all.

re: #60 looking closely

November 4th : Ayers and Dohrn, can't be found.
Novermber 6th: Ayers and Dohrn, all over the television.

These two should be ashamed to show their faces in public.

Maybe Obama's campaign put them, Wright, and a few others up at some fancy luxury hotel?

Unfortunately 60's radicalism has been celebrated and idolized in our culture for so long that it is now acceptable.

re: #59 Bobibutu

Geese - the interviewer says - "when you settled your problems with the law" - interesting spin. abt 5 mins in.

I'd like to ask him, "So Bill, can you expand on this concept of "guilty as sin - free as a bird?""

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately 60's radicalism has been celebrated and idolized in our culture for so long that it is now acceptable.

Not in my house!

“a rejection of the politics of fear.”

The Left's ability to turn truth on its head is simply amazing.

What is the purpose of the terrorism in which Dohrn and Ayers engaged? Their bombings -as all terror- is in its simplest definition eliciting fear as a substitute for reasoned politics.

Democracy Communism NOW! Why else would they need the Orwellian name and Statue of Liberty icon. This is on the "LINK" DirectTV channel isn't it? That channel is nothing but pure collectivist propaganda, like MSNBC without the pretense of objectivity. How many times have they run their anti-gun piece in the last week?

Folks, there is a war coming between individualists and amoral, collectivist filth represented by these two. I really fear for the Republic.

The marriage between former (?) radicals and establishment had just begun.

If McCain had raised and used 600 million to defeat Obama, I wonder what Bonnie and Clyde would be saying..... With the help of 99% of the media and money from god knows where, an unknown african american was elected not on the basis of his charactor, but the ability to speak and the color of his skin. Congratulations?

What a couple of pathetic wusses!

Both somber and ecstatic. Iron butterfly, man.

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately 60's radicalism has been celebrated and idolized in our culture for so long that it is now acceptable.

But why? I hate hippies.

re: #49 yesandno

How does one demand PEACE.........?

They confuse peace with submitting to aggression.

Democracy Now is not really a mainstream venue, Billy's talking to his base here. Isn't Amy a giant paper-mache head in one of Zombie's photo essays?

Also, have you noticed that Bill Ayer's hand motions are much like Biden's? If you tied their hands they probably couldn't talk, either one of them.

Bill is not a "fear proxy," he's a criminal that wasn't prosecuted.

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

I think in Ayers' and Dohrn's case it is more like, "Let a thousand flowers....BOOM!"

While singing, "where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing..."

A note to the democrat establishment:
These two frauds are all yours.

re: #66 wright1

I'd like to ask him, "So Bill, can you expand on this concept of "guilty as sin - free as a bird?""

That would be a question to which Ayer's response I would really listen to.

re: #26 gymnast

A week ago last Tuesday?

I watched that show about Jones and the interviews, one with a guy who escaped the final moments. It was gut wrenching. As he realized what was going on while Jones was telling them to take the "medicine", he turned to his wife and child to get them and escape. But what he saw was a woman holding his child with an empty oral syringe in her hand, after already squirted the poison in the child's mouth. It was too late. GUT WRENCHING.

re: #78 jaunte

..."properly" prosecuted.

re: #64 Nevergiveup

Maybe Obama's campaign put them, Wright, and a few others up at some fancy luxury hotel?

Ton Rezcko had some suites available.

This isn't surprising. We all knew they would become media darlings after Barry won/bought the election....

I would spit in both of their faces if given the opportunity.

re: #68 Opinionated

The Left's ability to turn truth on its head is simply amazing.

What is the purpose of the terrorism in which Dohrn and Ayers engaged? Their bombings -as all terror- is in its simplest definition eliciting fear as a substitute for reasoned politics.

What was it Yoda said in The Phantom Menace? Fear leads to anger, and anger to hatred? It's gone that far. Now the 60's Children can't get past it.

Iraqi Cabinet Approves U.S. Security Pact
—Dave In Texas

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Anyone told Obama about this? Maybe he could give Maliki a call and sabotage this?

Ayers and Dohrn want us to reject the "politics of fear" and embrace the politics of Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Castro and Chavez---the politics of mass murder and oppression.

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

Smells more like the Lincoln bathroom to me--which in Lincoln's time would have been an outhouse.

in Lincoln's time in the white house and other upper class houses it would have been a chamber pot. and the house servent would have had to empty it.

re: #85 loppyd

This isn't surprising. We all knew they would become media darlings after Barry won/bought the election....

I would spit in both of their faces if given the opportunity.

Hey hon, get in line behind me!

re: #77 buzzsawmonkey

I think in Ayers' and Dohrn's case it is more like, "Let a thousand flowers....BOOM!"

uh ... more like 25 million

re: #89 yochanan

in Lincoln's time in the white house and other upper class houses it would have been a chamber pot. and the house servent would have had to empty it.

Yeah, but where? Pennsylvania Ave? The rose garden, maybe...

re: #88 Paul

Ayers and Dohrn want us to reject the "politics of fear" and embrace the politics of Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, Castro and Chavez---the politics of mass murder and oppression.

'cause that makes so much sense....

Apologies to any Chicago Lizards, but it's the new C word for me.

re: #85 loppyd

They only killed the right people. Can you imagine a right-winger that proudly stood up with Eric Rudolf or Tim McVeigh?

Me, neither, but we just elected the Left-wing equivilent.

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Hey hon, get in line behind me!

I gave up chewing tobacco, but I would start again just for the chance to spit in their faces.

Here's the politics of those two:

Weatherman bomb factory.

From the link:

In the wreckage, the police found blasting caps, pipe bombs, 60 sticks of dynamite, and an antitank shell. It soon became clear that this had been a bomb factory- someone had accidentally detonated a device they were working on. It was later revealed that their target was an officer's dance at Fort Dix, N.J.

Do not forget.

They stink; anyone fawning over them cannot detect evil.

re: #96 CIA Reject

I gave up chewing tobacco, but I would start again just for the chance to spit in their faces.

Well if your chewing you can cut in front of me.

re: #90 Nevergiveup

Hey hon, get in line behind me!

You can have Ayers....I'll take Bernadine.

Did anyone tell the Islamic terrorists that we are "leaving the era of 9/11"?

re: #95 buzzsawmonkey

One longs for the day when they are found repenting for the fjords, as truly ex-terrorists.

Karma tends to be a bitch, so I think somewhere, somehow, there will be a universal reckoning for these two black-hearts.

I cherished my hate, as a badge of moral superiority ... There were NO innocent Americans, at least among the white ones. -Dohrn

[Link: video.google.com...]

About 99% of this video is excerpted from Weather Underground, a 2002 "documentary". The rest is voice-overs by Ayers/Dohrn in 2004.

I would do it again too, Naomi. ...We are still in a state of war. ...It's not over. -Dohrn and Ayers (2004)

Since when didn't Lincoln belong to an abolitionist party?

I thought the Republican Party was the abolitionist party?

re: #99 loppyd

You can have Ayers....I'll take Bernadine.

Double barreled. Kinky I like it!

Yuk!
I'll read what fellow lizards say, but I can't watch the video. Don't want to lose my breakfast.

re: #76 Thanos

"Democracy Now" is a little Mao fortunately without power.

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Well if your chewing you can cut in front of me.

Gee, thanks!

re: #94 Iron Fist

They only killed the right people. Can you imagine a right-winger that proudly stood up with Eric Rudolf or Tim McVeigh?

Me, neither, but we just elected the Left-wing equivilent.

It is always the self-absorbed narcissistic view of the world where the ends justifies the means. Nevermind the insidiousness of their methods.

pimf: at least not among

Where's Rev. Wright? These two wastes of oxygen held their forked tongues until after the election. Now that it won't cost his disciple votes, he should be spouting off like Old Faithful.

Lions 16 Carolina 24
Is it GM or the Lions asking for a bail out?

re: #92 imploder

Yeah, but where? Pennsylvania Ave? The rose garden, maybe...

given that pennsylvania ave was more than likely covered with horse shit who would have noticed?

these two arouse hate in me....

re: #94 Iron Fist

They only killed the right people. Can you imagine a right-winger that proudly stood up with Eric Rudolf or Tim McVeigh?

Me, neither, but we just elected the Left-wing equivilent.

I see no difference between McVeigh & Rudolph and these pigs.

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

Lincoln actually was a gradualist and he spent a lot of energy keeping the rabid energy of the abolitionists from doing damage.

And in fact Lincoln's approach was ultimately the most effective.

So the crowd was happy and peaceful because the politics of fear is over.

Fear has just disappeared. Except for Global warming (a theory to extract more money from the taxpayers) , a shortage of energy, the world is in an economic collapse, Iran is getting "the bomb,"
and Islamic extremists want to take over the entire world.

Bill Clinton was so right when he said "this is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

re: #104 Nevergiveup

Double barreled. Kinky I like it!

LOL. I hate her more for her comments about Sharon Tate.

re: #116 Ojoe

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

Which I bet you knew already.

Who is afraid of who? Who is the party that terrorizes? I know someone who has had a "F*** the President" bumper sticker on her car for the last five years. Driven all over the place. Not a scratch on it. Now if she leaves this bumper sticker on after January - how long do you think the car will remain in good shape no matter where she goes/parks?

re: #85 loppyd

This isn't surprising. We all knew they would become media darlings after Barry won/bought the election....

I would spit in both of their faces if given the opportunity.

Amen to that and may I be right behind you.

re: #117 yah

Bill Clinton was so right when he said "this is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

And that is where Barry's brilliant use of the race card began.

Yea, like the psychotic genocidal Jihadists are nothing to fear.

re: #111 Desert Dog

Where's Rev. Wright? ...

I'm sure he'll be giving the benediction at the inauguration.

/Just typing that made my head hurt....

re: #121 BBev

Amen to that and may I be right behind you.

Talk to Nevergiveup. Maybe we could have a rotating schedule. LOL

re: #54 Desert Dog

My favorite picture of Bill Ayers. I think it captures his true essence best.

Nice and steamy!

re: #113 yochanan

given that pennsylvania ave was more than likely covered with horse shit who would have noticed?

Rhetorical question, it was, my friend! Backwards seems my syntax to be.

re: #115 loppyd

I see no difference between McVeigh & Rudolph and these pigs.

Sure there's a difference. Ayers nutured and protected by his daddy's money. That's the only difference and it allowed him to "not sell out to the pigs". Gag.

re: #120 monkeytime

Who is afraid of who? Who is the party that terrorizes? I know someone who has had a "F*** the President" bumper sticker on her car for the last five years. Driven all over the place. Not a scratch on it. Now if she leaves this bumper sticker on after January - how long do you think the car will remain in good shape no matter where she goes/parks?

Kinda like the "This is a gun-free home" yard sign.

"You're with us or with the terrorists" has a brand new meaning.

If you were an Obama voter, the terrorists admit that you're with them.

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Well if your chewing you can cut in front of me.

Depends which way the wind is blowing don't you think? ;-)>

I made that mistake once on a Huey and my team leader got some second hand....uh....whatever.

PIMF #128 nurtured, not nutured. Neutered would have been perfect though. sigh.....if only.

Bill Ayers represents what the Counter-Culture of the 1960's espoused.

The means justify the ends,

if it feels good, do it

Don't trust anyone over 30

He should be in jail. Him and his lovely bride are nothing but blood soaked murderers. I hate those two with every fiber of my being.

Murdering Liars!
Purely characterized by the Pigs in "Animal Farm"

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't lie and misrepresent their goals.)

if only they had been neutered, they have two children

Four legs, Dohrn/Ayers, two legs, O-baaaaaaa-ma!

And talk about hypoctrites. They live in a fancy brownstone and sent their kids to a private school....if they were true to their convictions they would have lived in a walkup and sent their kids to public school.

re: #136 IslandLibertarian

Four legs, Dohrn/Ayers, two legs, O-baaaaaaa-ma!

"All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others."

"We should reject the politics of instilling fear in people. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm about to rig a police car with a bomb in the middle of a residential neighborhood."

I have to say that since November 4, nearly every morning I wake up I have moment, maybe a twinge if you will, where I think about what happened on election day with the faint hope that it was all a dream. Sort of like the movie, Ground Hog day, only I snap out of it much too quickly.
How many times during the day can I ask the question: "This isn't really happening...? Like slow drops of water hitting my forehead, that is what it feels like to watch this surreal movie about to be shown.

re: #139 Crusty

"We should reject the politics of instilling fear in people. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm about to rig a police car with a bomb in the middle of a residential neighborhood."

As long as it for a "good" cause, you apparently will not have to worry about being prosecuted.

re: #125 loppyd

Talk to Nevergiveup. Maybe we could have a rotating schedule. LOL

Can we add Jane Fonda also

re: #131 Outrider

Depends which way the wind is blowing don't you think? ;-)>

I made that mistake once on a Huey and my team leader got some second hand....uh....whatever.

Good point!

re: #62 jamie

After 9/11, Jerry Falwell did just that. He said, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

.

Hmm, interesting. Well, I must admit, I'd never heard of Falwell saying that before. Still a dumb thing for Ayers to bring up in this context tho. Some random guy saying something has nothing to do with Bush or the election.

re: #137 loppyd

And talk about hypoctrites. They live in a fancy brownstone and sent their kids to a private school....if they were true to their convictions they would have lived in a walkup and sent their kids to public school.

And I am sure Obama is gonna send his kids to public schools?
/

re: #142 BBev

Can we add Jane Fonda also

I don't usually spit at hags that old.
/with all appropriate apologies to old hags.

re: #145 Nevergiveup

And I am sure Obama is gonna send his kids to public schools?
/

Shit, no.

He'll go back on his word about vouchers, too. Just watch.

re: #140 wright1

I have to say that since November 4, nearly every morning I wake up I have moment, maybe a twinge if you will, where I think about what happened on election day with the faint hope that it was all a dream. Sort of like the movie, Ground Hog day, only I snap out of it much too quickly.
How many times during the day can I ask the question: "This isn't really happening...? Like slow drops of water hitting my forehead, that is what it feels like to watch this surreal movie about to be shown.

I repeatedly feel like a frantic Basil Fawlty in the "Germans" sketch:

"Quick! Maybe it's just a dream! *THUMP* (smacks head on counter) Nope- we're stuck with it!"

re: #142 BBev

Can we add Jane Fonda also

She's spitworthy for sure.

Poll: Only 6% of Americans think U.S. should back Palestinians in peace talks (Haaretz)

Hum, one wonders then who all them people voting for Obama were thinking?

The cultural war is over, the political war has begun. Dohrn and Ayers walking free, holding well-paying positions in academia, spouting their lies on TV and in books and while being admired by many shows how much this country has lost in the past forty years and how much the Left has gained.

re: #151 Paul

Depressing, ain't it? I still believe in the USA and all that it stands for, but I admit, when I see people like these two actually being held in esteem, I want to cry for my children and their children.

re: #146 Nevergiveup

I don't usually spit at hags that old.
/with all appropriate apologies to old hags.

But for her I'm sure you can make an exception.

re: #148 CIA Reject

Good one - Fawlty Towers was hilarious!

re: #153 BBev

But for her I'm sure you can make an exception.

Go ahead twist my arm.

...and if they had such a problem with this country why didn't they pack up their shit and drive to Canada?

re: #146 Nevergiveup

I don't usually spit at hags that old.
/with all appropriate apologies to old hags.

I am NOT going to comment on what may have been expelled into that old hag's face...

Nope...

Not gonna do it...

re: #155 Nevergiveup

Go ahead twist my arm.

I work construction and lead over 50 men are you sure you want me to do that? :-)

re: #156 loppyd

...and if they had such a problem with this country why didn't they pack up their shit and drive to Canada?

Nein:
Cuba
Vietnam
The former Soviet Union
China
Venezuela
Nicaragua
etc. etc.

re: #154 wright1

Good one - Fawlty Towers was hilarious!

Cleese is a comedic genius.

re: #152 Desert Dog

It makes you think. Defeat is possible. It's not knowing that, that makes it happen. There is much to do. We just have to decide if it is worth the effort to us.

Isn't there something else they can charge these two with? Jeez, "Scooter" Libby goes to jail for failing to remember something, and these 2 idiots are out teaching kids?

re: #62 jamie

After 9/11, Jerry Falwell did just that. He said, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

An interesting contrast is that I can't think of one conservative who didn't raze Falwell's ass for saying that, let alone defend him. On the other hand, you tell a liberal in detail about Obama's association with Ayers, Dohrn, Rashid and they will tirelessly find some way to defend Obama for it, such as:

"They're reformed terrorists!"
"They were just protesting the war!"
"They were just people in his neighborhood!"
"They just sat on some board together!"
"Oh, well, a couple of KKK guys attended a rally of thousands at a Sarah Palin rally, that's just the same!"

And they are lies. All lies.

re: #156 loppyd

...and if they had such a problem with this country why didn't they pack up their shit and drive to Canada?

Indeed.
[Link: link.brightcove.com...]

Dang, what did my Labby eat? She's rotten.

Oh, she did get a glimpse of Dorhn in the photo on top...

re: #156 loppyd

I'll f*cking drive them.

re: #140 wright1
I half to force myself not to think about it. I turned off the radio, TV, and haven't spent much time here or on drudge. It's like a death sentence. I am trying to be positive by telling myself that the USA is a strong country filled with brave honest generous people and that we will survive this. But I think we are in really deep trouble. Especially when I see those two telling me how everything should be and the news people sucking up to them.

re: #137 loppyd

And talk about hypoctrites. They live in a fancy brownstone and sent their kids to a private school....if they were true to their convictions they would have lived in a walkup and sent their kids to public school.

They are all hypocrites. Obama himself is from privilege. He had a better childhood and education than many of us, certainly better than I did.

Too bad that they are still able to draw oxygen to be able to be so loquacious... if there was ever a couple that should have had a 'work accident' it is these two [deleted].

The bad guys won when Obama won. It is going to be an interesting next four years...

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ugh.

double ugh.

re: #167 yah

I half to force myself not to think about it. I turned off the radio, TV, and haven't spent much time here or on drudge. It's like a death sentence. I am trying to be positive by telling myself that the USA is a strong country filled with brave honest generous people and that we will survive this. But I think we are in really deep trouble. Especially when I see those two telling me how everything should be and the news people sucking up to them.

Hi, I'm Imploder and I've been off TV news for more than three weeks (including Fox)....

re: #157 CIA Reject

I am NOT going to comment on what may have been expelled into that old hag's face...

Nope...

Not gonna do it...

Lots of pee for starters. Think of all the urinal stickers and cakes.

re: #172 loppyd

Lots of pee for starters. Think of all the urinal stickers and cakes.

I remember pee'ing on Jane Fonda unirinal stickers when I was in Survival School in 1990...and they were inside of USAF urinals. Beautiful thing.

re: #166 rightside

I'll f*cking drive them.

I have a truck. I'll help too

re: #174 BBev

I have a truck. I'll help too

Hog tie anyone?

re: #146 Nevergiveup

I don't usually spit at hags that old.
/with all appropriate apologies to old hags.

Any old hag who isn't Jane Fonda or Jane-Fonda-like, isn't really an old hag.
(guess I'm thinking meself, here)

re: #162 tripletdad

Jeez, "Scooter" Libby goes to jail

Um, no.

/and Bush better think really hard about pardoning more members of his administration, like Cheney and Rumsfeld for starters, because the Bonkeys are planning investigations and possible criminal trials

Well heck. Why doesn't OBL just come out of hiding, get a teaching job at Berkley and do the Sunday morning/Oprah/The View circuit. He could do much more damage that way. This Ayers guy has got it all over OBL.
You don't need all the cloak and dagger shit to be a terrorist and esteemed citizen in this country.

re: #177 Killian Bundy

Um, no.

/and Bush better think really hard about pardoning more members of his administration, like Cheney and Rumsfeld for starters, because the Bonkeys are planning investigations and possible criminal trials

Oh, they've got the pitch forks and torches warmed up out in the courtyard for sure...

re: #173 imploder

I remember pee'ing on Jane Fonda unirinal stickers when I was in Survival School in 1990...and they were inside of USAF urinals. Beautiful thing.

They still sell them....

re: #133 Desert Dog

Bill Ayers represents what the Counter-Culture of the 1960's espoused.

The means justify the ends,

if it feels good, do it

Don't trust anyone over 30

He should be in jail. Him and his lovely bride are nothing but blood soaked murderers. I hate those two with every fiber of my being.

They support Democrats, whose mantra is "Never Apologize". Now they'll be media darlings. There is no price to be paid for their ilk, if one is a Dem or one of their supporters. (Caution: Rant ahead): Just like Barney Frank, who along with a few others, could arguably be held responsible for the sup prime disaster which helped create the mortgage crisis which helped create the banking crisis which helped create the international economic crisis. But, instead, Frank retains his position on the Financial Services Committee and faces no reprisals. But, he's a Dem.

Debbie Schlussel claims Obama never legally signed a selective service card. So much for being "vetted and vetted" as Dohrn stated.
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

OT

Fox just showed an AMAZING live shot of a plane flying really REALLY low (I think they said 100 feet!) and dropping fire retardant on an area in Calif. It was really close up - hi def. Wow.

Wow.

At that level, the guy had to be watching out for power lines! And they do it over and over and over and over....

n the foothills of the northwest San Fernando Valley, the Sayre fire in the Sylmar area is now 40% contained, but it already has taken a massive toll, including leveling an entire mobile home park with about 500 units. No deaths have been reported there or in the Triangle Complex fire.

Pardon me, but isn't the point of a Mobile home is that it's "Mobile"?

re: #177 Killian Bundy

I agree but how do you do it preemptively when they have not been witch-tried yet?

re: #180 loppyd

They still sell them....

Haahahahah! That's a blast from the past!

Now find me a Quijibo sticker to complete my collection.

re: #168 rawmuse

They are all hypocrites. Obama himself is from privilege. He had a better childhood and education than many of us, certainly better than I did.

And how did Michelle thank Princeton? By writing her whiny diatribe about feeling left out because she's black. I wish I could have gone to Princeton on a full boat scholarship.

For someone who was "vetted and vetted and vetted", he made sure that he had a minimal paper trail, locked away records and denied associations that were suspicious. Hardly the actions of someone "clean".

“a rejection acceptance of the politics of fear.”

With you two insects still alive, after what you did do, or not even incarcerated, this nation has accepted the "politics of fear" and smear.

You vile communist bastards!

re: #171 imploder
I never cared much for TV to begin with. I'd disconnect the cable if the family would allow it.

re: #185 wright1

I agree but how do you do it preemptively when they have not been witch-tried yet?

/you grant them a blanket pardon for anything they might have done

re: #184 Nevergiveup

n the foothills of the northwest San Fernando Valley, the Sayre fire in the Sylmar area is now 40% contained, but it already has taken a massive toll, including leveling an entire mobile home park with about 500 units. No deaths have been reported there or in the Triangle Complex fire.

Pardon me, but isn't the point of a Mobile home is that it's "Mobile"?

Yep, but not instantly. There are power, water and gas lines to disconnect, foundation anchors to be freed, towing vehicles to be dispatched,.......

re: #183 Catttt

OT

Fox just showed an AMAZING live shot of a plane flying really REALLY low (I think they said 100 feet!) and dropping fire retardant on an area in Calif. It was really close up - hi def. Wow.

Wow.

At that level, the guy had to be watching out for power lines! And they do it over and over and over and over....

I've known a few pilots who flew fire-fighting missions; they tell me that any low-flying is dangerous, regardless of whether there are or are not power lines - if something goes wrong with the plane, they want as much space as possible between themselves and the earth to have time to figure out what to do and do it.

Me - I'll just keep my feet firmly planted on the ground.

re: #177 Killian Bundy

Um, no.

/and Bush better think really hard about pardoning more members of his administration, like Cheney and Rumsfeld for starters, because the Bonkeys are planning investigations and possible criminal trials

In his original web site Change.gov, I found this interesting little paragraph:

Obama and Biden will also work with Iraqi authorities and the international community to hold the perpetrators of potential war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide accountable. (Change.gov)

i found it a curious departure from the normal bombastic crap that was in that document.

And just out of curiosity, what does "perpetrators of potential war crimes" mean? Potential?

re: #164 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed.
[Link: link.brightcove.com...]

Canada got a shitload of mediocre academics from the States thanks to the Vietnam war. They're starting to retire now, but they've already perpetuated their stupidity by promoting their mindless grad students.

re: #193 reine.de.tout

I've known a few pilots who flew fire-fighting missions; they tell me that any low-flying is dangerous, regardless of whether there are or are not power lines - if something goes wrong with the plane, they want as much space as possible between themselves and the earth to have time to figure out what to do and do it.

Me - I'll just keep my feet firmly planted on the ground.

The most impactful word when flying low-level is, "Climb!"

re: #186 imploder

Haahahahah! That's a blast from the past!

Now find me a Quijibo sticker to complete my collection.

No such luck so far. Although I just learned what it means.....LOL

Obama and I both grew up without fathers. He was abandoned. Abandoned.
Mine was KIA.
I never had to write a book about my daddy issues.

re: #182 yenta-fada

Debbie Schlussel claims Obama never legally signed a selective service card.

/she claims a lot of things, usually really loudly

re: #197 loppyd

No such luck so far. Although I just learned what it means.....LOL

I've seen those in crew busses from Maine to Japan. No luck googling for them, however.

re: #194 Outrider

I have two sons. One in the Air Force, One a Marine. This scares me for them more then the war.
Lord protect our servicemen from enemies abroad, and within.

re: #201 monkeytime

I have two sons. One in the Air Force, One a Marine. This scares me for them more then the war.
Lord protect our servicemen from enemies abroad, and within.

I know. The last time I heard crap like this was in the 80s, when Democrats in congress were threatening prosecutions for soldiers running Central American missions.

re: #175 imploder

Hog tie anyone?

Can you do that?

re: #196 imploder

The most impactful word when flying low-level is, "Climb!"

heh. I'll bet.

several years ago, there was a large passenger jet that landed in New Orleans, but didn't make it to the airport. Something was wrong with the plane and it set down on some empty land near Lake Pontchartrain.

The pilots I knew were pilots of small planes. They told me that when the crew got off of the plane, the pilot was totally rattled, but the co-pilot, a newly-hired person who formerly flew small planes, was as calm as could be.

The scuttlebutt is that the pilot freaked out and the co-pilot landed the plan, having become accustomed to strange landings from his experience with small planes. I thought that was a very interesting story.

jeez. I hate closing out a thread.

re: #151 Paul

The cultural war is over, the political war has begun. Dohrn and Ayers walking free, holding well-paying positions in academia, spouting their lies on TV and in books and while being admired by many shows how much this country has lost in the past forty years and how much the Left has gained.

You speak the truth.

Much of the left's new found power is based on false inferences planted in the minds of the public by leftist media and repeated until they become part of the national consensus, often without the facts themselves being seriously disputed until the meme is so widespread that facts scarcely matter. The leftist academic world, which I call the hijacker regime (for the draft-dodgers who hijacked the universities in the 70s and 80s) is of course a major ally and auxiliary of the media culture in this campaign of disinformation by consensus.
My prediction for the latest Goebbelist meme to be implanted by revisionist media: That it was conservative and anti-communist forces who built and maintained the Berlin Wall. I am already seeing this at the extreme cutting edge of pop-culture activism (conspiracy theorists and standup comedians) and I confidently predict that millions will be hopelessly confused about the facts within a couple of years.

Among past revisionist memes that originated as invited inference and came to be widely and implicitly accepted:
-The US was Saddam Hussein's chief supplier of weapons before the 1990-91 Gulf War
- The term "Manchurian candidate" referred to a capitalistic infiltrator rather than a communist agent (eventually formalized by that ultimate form of leftist authority, a Hollywood movie)
- Orwell's 1984 was about HUAC and Joe McCarthy.
- JFK was about to withdraw US troops from Vietnam.
-JFK was assassinated by right-wing forces rather than by a known communist.
-American troops were defeated in battle in Vietnam and the famous scenes from the Saigon evacuation are of the panicked retreat.

There are many, many more.
I do not believe in the existence of a literal devil but it is a very powerful symbol and an almost universal archetype for a good reason: The satanic impulse, summarized in the myth of the devil, is a universal and primary opponent in the never-ending struggle for survival and progress. In that sense, the media culture is profoundly satanic in being based on the promulgation of lies as an ultimate expression of power and status.

Now, someone can accuse me of "demonizing" the leftist enemy. No wonder they are so sensitive about this form of attack, it is the truth and they know it.

re: #187 loppyd

And how did Michelle thank Princeton? By writing her whiny diatribe about feeling left out because she's black. I wish I could have gone to Princeton on a full boat scholarship.

Me, too. I would have loved to have gone to an Ivy school. When I was a kid, we poor Italians were not even expected to think about college. No money. After high school, get to work. I eventually went when I saved up enough to go and worked two bit jobs while in school. Of course, the school wasn't Ivy League.

re: #183 Catttt

OT

Fox just showed an AMAZING live shot of a plane flying really REALLY low (I think they said 100 feet!) and dropping fire retardant on an area in Calif. It was really close up - hi def. Wow.

Wow.

At that level, the guy had to be watching out for power lines! And they do it over and over and over and over....

Those pilots are issued wheelbarrows because their balls are so big, they cannot carry them. My hat off to those pilots, they are true heroes

re: #204 reine.de.tout

heh. I'll bet.

several years ago, there was a large passenger jet that landed in New Orleans, but didn't make it to the airport. Something was wrong with the plane and it set down on some empty land near Lake Pontchartrain.

The pilots I knew were pilots of small planes. They told me that when the crew got off of the plane, the pilot was totally rattled, but the co-pilot, a newly-hired person who formerly flew small planes, was as calm as could be.

The scuttlebutt is that the pilot freaked out and the co-pilot landed the plan, having become accustomed to strange landings from his experience with small planes. I thought that was a very interesting story.

Perhaps an ex-military pilot?

re: #203 BBev

Can you do that?

If you're asking, I'll do it! I can also use some Scotch Hobbles on their commie asses.

re: #199 Killian Bundy

Yeah, I know she claims a lot of things, but she did find someone who did a FOIA search, and has pictures of the possible discrepancies in the clip. It certainly gives us more detail than Obama ever has.

re: #117 yah

So the crowd was happy and peaceful because the politics of fear is over.

Fear has just disappeared. Except for Global warming (a theory to extract more money from the taxpayers) , a shortage of energy, the world is in an economic collapse, Iran is getting "the bomb,"
and Islamic extremists want to take over the entire world.

Bill Clinton was so right when he said "this is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

The "politics of fear" is over, but the terror isn't, I juste put up about fifteen links in spinoffs about terror from today's papers.

re: #209 Outrider

Perhaps an ex-military pilot?

No. It was known for sure the co-pilot previously flew small planes.

re: #204 reine.de.tout

heh. I'll bet.

several years ago, there was a large passenger jet that landed in New Orleans, but didn't make it to the airport. Something was wrong with the plane and it set down on some empty land near Lake Pontchartrain.

The pilots I knew were pilots of small planes. They told me that when the crew got off of the plane, the pilot was totally rattled, but the co-pilot, a newly-hired person who formerly flew small planes, was as calm as could be.

The scuttlebutt is that the pilot freaked out and the co-pilot landed the plan, having become accustomed to strange landings from his experience with small planes. I thought that was a very interesting story.

I used to fly in USAF special ops as an enlisted crew member and we'd be flying 250 feet AGL 250 knots in a (very specially equipped) C-130 and I always got zero to the bone when someone up front with a view out would say, "climb...CLIMB!" Dammit it still causes me some upheaval. And I logged a few thousand hours of that stupidness.

Born in 1960- I'm not saying everything was perfect in the US before then, but, by far the most self-destructive impulses that I have had to fight against in my life to be successful were 1960's era cultural "advances".

re: #211 yenta-fada

Yeah, I know she claims a lot of things, but she did find someone who did a FOIA search, and has pictures of the possible discrepancies in the clip. It certainly gives us more detail than Obama ever has.

Of course she does.

/worse than DEBKA, IMO

re: #214 imploder

I used to fly in USAF special ops as an enlisted crew member and we'd be flying 250 feet AGL 250 knots in a (very specially equipped) C-130 and I always got zero to the bone when someone up front with a view out would say, "climb...CLIMB!" Dammit it still causes me some upheaval. And I logged a few thousand hours of that stupidness.

Yes, I noticed your winged avatar and figured you knew something about this.

But you are still here, n'est-ce pas?

On topic. I already said what I think of William Ayers, which is infinitely less than almost anyone on earth.

To seek to carry out actions that will maim and/or kill innocent citizens of one's own nation is just beyond - beyond beyond the pale.

Well, Bernadine Dohrn is on that same list. Her bio is slightly different - not a narcissistic, spoiled, wantonly cruel, sexist pig - rather a hardcore, wantonly cruel, gloating monster. Both with evil in their hearts and blood on their hands.

That they can be welcomed onto a set and treated like regular citizens disgusts me. They should both be in prison.

People are in prison - even on death row - or in the ground for killing policemen. They, via the Weather Underground, killed THREE of them or enabled others to do so: Sergeant Brian McDonnell, Officer Waverly Brown, and Sergeant Edward O'Grady. No one fetes those men - no one interviews them or asks their opinion.

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

Among past revisionist memes that originated as invited inference and came to be widely and implicitly accepted:

The more recent entry to your list:

"Bush lied, people died"

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

Wow!

re: #207 ciaospirit

Me, too. I would have loved to have gone to an Ivy school. When I was a kid, we poor Italians were not even expected to think about college. No money. After high school, get to work. I eventually went when I saved up enough to go and worked two bit jobs while in school. Of course, the school wasn't Ivy League.

Good for you!

I was stuck in the middle. My parents made decent money, but not enough to pay for an expensive college. But they made "too much" for me to get financial aid.

re: #216 Killian Bundy

lol. Obama is worse than DEBKA too.

re: #214 imploder

I used to fly in USAF special ops as an enlisted crew member and we'd be flying 250 feet AGL 250 knots in a (very specially equipped) C-130 and I always got zero to the bone when someone up front with a view out would say, "climb...CLIMB!" Dammit it still causes me some upheaval. And I logged a few thousand hours of that stupidness.

eh. a little adrenalin is supposed to be good for you. We used to go treetop level at night with Hueys at about 125. Half your speed, but still............

re: #207 ciaospirit

Me, too. I would have loved to have gone to an Ivy school. When I was a kid, we poor Italians were not even expected to think about college. No money. After high school, get to work. I eventually went when I saved up enough to go and worked two bit jobs while in school. Of course, the school wasn't Ivy League.

ya know, it ain't where you get your degree, really, it's what you do with it afterwards.

Good for you.

I also worked 30 hours a week and attended LSU full-time to get my degree. Never regretted it.

re: #198 rawmuse

Obama and I both grew up without fathers. He was abandoned. Abandoned.
Mine was KIA.
I never had to write a book about my daddy issues.

How awful for you and your family. I'm so very sorry.

defeat of the politics of fear, victory of the politics of race-baiting.

re: #217 reine.de.tout

Yes, I noticed your winged avatar and figured you knew something about this.

But you are still here, n'est-ce pas?

It was one hell of a ride. Now I'm an MBA candidate. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Crewmembers don't know shit about Six Sigma and CRM for us was Crew Resource Management, not Customer Relations Management.

My MGT professor is like, "Imploder, I think you should rework the paragraph in your paper on Customer Relations and consider using some other descriptive phase rather than the one about kicking the competition swiftly in the balls..."

re: #226 wiffersnapper

defeat of the politics of fear, victory of the politics of race-baiting.

Exactly.

re: #210 imploder

If you're asking, I'll do it! I can also use some Scotch Hobbles on their commie asses.

Not that I would ever condone violence but that is very interesting.

...a double dose of puke!

re: #227 imploder

It was one hell of a ride. Now I'm an MBA candidate. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Crewmembers don't know shit about Six Sigma and CRM for us was Crew Resource Management, not Customer Relations Management.

My MGT professor is like, "Imploder, I think you should rework the paragraph in your paper on Customer Relations and consider using some other descriptive phase rather than the one about kicking the competition swiftly in the balls..."

LOL!
I rather like the colorful language. You know that's what's really in people's heads, anyway.

re: #223 Outrider

eh. a little adrenalin is supposed to be good for you. We used to go treetop level at night with Hueys at about 125. Half your speed, but still............

Cowpitude: when you can count four legs on a bovine as you fly by, bonus points if using NVGs...

Gas Price Check: when altitude allows viewing the local price of gas, bonus points for being able to differentiate between premium and regular.

re: #232 imploder

re: #223 Outrider

Guys, my hat is off to you, I just can't imagine.

I'm so fearful of heights that my palms get all sweaty when I have to drive over a bridge.

It takes an act of congress to get me into an airplane.

So ironic, they have had so much hate for this, the only country in the world where they could have such cushy lives after doing what they did.

Hopefully, a painful disease is in their future. Non-fatal, of course, just painful enough to equal the pain for their victims. I'm not a barbarian!

re: #198 rawmuse

Obama and I both grew up without fathers. He was abandoned. Abandoned.
Mine was KIA.
I never had to write a book about my daddy issues.

My hats off to you.

re: #234 Shay4l

So ironic, they have had so much hate for this, the only country in the world where they could have such cushy lives after doing what they did.

Hopefully, a painful disease is in their future. Non-fatal, of course, just painful enough to equal the pain for their victims. I'm not a barbarian!

What's ironic, as well, is that Billy was from a family of means. WTF?

ayers father was part of what he would call the AMERICAN IMPERIALIST RULING CLASS.

If he had been honest he would have gone to Cuba's workers paradise to live out his life instead of living as a rich white boy in Chicago's hydepark.

re: #236 imploder

ayers pops was a CEO of the electric company. a big shot for sure.

all most all of the weatherman terrorists came from elite schools with upperclass parents.

These are very bizarre people. They have convinced themselves that "Fear" has nothing to do with their bombing ways, which they still don't apologize to the general public for. Ms. Doerhn thinks Bill is a "Fear Proxy"? No, he is a murderer, just as she is. They think they are different from Timothy McVeigh? NO, the only difference is that the Weather Underground was stopped (by the oppressors! God bless them!) before they could pull of their big plans, and Timothy McVeigh wasn't... They do think their the cool kids, don't they?

re: #149 loppyd

She's spitworthy for sure.

A little know tidbit for your enjoyment is the fact that a bro of mine on our Vietnam Vets newsgroup did just that! He loaded up on Redman tobacco and stood in line at a book signing until he got to the head of the line and let 'er fly. He is famous in some circles and I just wanted to let you know about it.

Sermper Fi,
Bill

re: #240 Sunlight

... They do think their the cool kids, don't they?

They're
Sorry

Just outta curiousity why didn't Mrs. Obama take one of those scholarships to a school in one of the former eastern bloc countries like East Germany? Since America is such a mean place, she may have been at home there. I have a friend from Grenada who did that. "Left out" doesn't even sum up his experiences.

re: #177 Killian Bundy

Um, no.

/and Bush better think really hard about pardoning more members of his administration, like Cheney and Rumsfeld for starters, because the Bonkeys are planning investigations and possible criminal trials

Um, no²

Pretty sure he can't "pardon" anyone before trial/conviction...

You know, I can't stand the thought of hearing his or her voice. I don't want their voice in my head. I've heard enough.The saddest thing of all is that these two ungrateful Americans lie like dogs about what they REALLY wanted, and still want, and young people are believe them, like they are some sort of prophet or something.

Again, the greatness of American has allowed a couple of weasels to live a wonderful life, yet there is no gratitude for the system that permitted their success. I have nothing but contempt and disgust for them and I am sickened that we pay these America haters to preach to young minds about how evil America is.

re: #46 lostlakehiker

There aren't going to be any reeducation camps.

We already have them now. They're called colleges and universities.

re: #232 imploder

Cowpitude: when you can count four legs on a bovine as you fly by, bonus points if using NVGs...

Gas Price Check: when altitude allows viewing the local price of gas, bonus points for being able to differentiate between premium and regular.

*grin* I was in at a time when NVGs were not. So, us passengers saw only black and vague shapes slapping the skids. Sometimes we brought out a Starlight, but not for use on a chopper.

And no, I would not care to see bovine legs while flying in a fixed wing. lol

re: #171 imploder

Hi, I'm Imploder and I've been off TV news for more than three weeks (including Fox)....

Me too, can't stomach it. It'll be worse on 20 January.....I think I'll be physically ill....

re: #233 reine.de.tout

re: #223 Outrider

Guys, my hat is off to you, I just can't imagine.

I'm so fearful of heights that my palms get all sweaty when I have to drive over a bridge.

It takes an act of congress to get me into an airplane.

Like you, hate flying in airplanes. Which is why I went with the option of getting out of the damn things before we landed. lol

re: #236 imploder

What's ironic, as well, is that Billy was from a family of means. WTF?

Were any of the terrorist like Ayers, Meinhof, and Carlos from poor families? No. They were all rich or very well off.

Damn. I'm sitting on an empty thread talking to myself again. ;-)>

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Pardon me, but isn't the point of a Mobile home is that it's "Mobile"?

Mobile in the sense that it (most of them) is wheeled into it's resting place and the axels and wheels removed and recycled. If you wish to relocate it - you need another set of axels etc.

re: #249 buzzsawmonkey

President Ford pardoned Nixon before any charges, let alone trial or conviction.

Nixon confessed having committed the wrongs (crimes). Cheney and Rummy have not.

re: #4 Nevergiveup

No their not, they are friends of the President?

FOO = Friends Of Obama. Is there someway we can add an 'L' to that?

251 Outrider Were any of the terrorist like Ayers, Meinhof, and Carlos from poor families? No. They were all rich or very well off.

White guilt in action. Too bad they didn't think of some positive way to make a contribution. Hard to imagine - they actually thought about killing 25 million Americans who could not be "re-educated" to abhor capitalism. Damn capitalism: allowed for his elite education! Wonder what his parents thought?

PALIN SLANDER FROM THE UK PRESS: Compare the info on this thread regarding acknowledged terrorist Ayers, with the latest round of disgusting libel that was recently thrown at Gov. Sarah Palin:

Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign.

By Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 8:38AM GMT 10 Nov 2008

The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"

The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate. She is already a frontrunner, with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, to take on Mr Obama in four years time.

Details of the spike in threats to Mr Obama come as a report last week by security and intelligence analysts Stratfor, warned that he is a high risk target for racist gunmen. It concluded: "Two plots to assassinate Obama were broken up during the campaign season, and several more remain under investigation. We would expect federal authorities to uncover many more plots to attack the president that have been hatched by white supremacist ideologues."

Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.

That claim is part of a campaign of targeted leaks designed to torpedo her ambitions, with claims that she did not know that Africawas a continent rather than a country.

The advisers have branded her a "diva" and a "whack job" and claimed that she did not know which other countries are in the North American Free Trade Area, (Canada and Mexico). They say she spent more than $150,000 on designer clothes, including $40,000 on her husband Todd and that she refused to prepare for the disastrous series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.

In a bid to salvage her reputation Mrs Palin came out firing in an interview with CNN, dismissing the anonymous leakers in unpresidential language as "jerks" who had taken "questions or comments I made in debate prep out of context."

She said: "I consider it cowardly. It's not true. That's cruel, it's mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away taking things out of context and then tried to spread something on national news that's not fair and not right."

She was not asked about her incendiary rhetoric against Mr Obama. But she did deny the spending spree claims, saying the clothes in question had been returned to the Republican National Committee. "Those are the RNC's clothes, they're not my clothes. I asked for anything more than maybe a diet Dr Pepper once in a while. These are false allegations."

The MSM dives to a new low, in 'fair and balanced'. Just as with Joe the Plumber, if you tell the truth then YOU get treated like a terrorist.

GO SARAH!
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re: #181 solomonpanting

They support Democrats, whose mantra is "Never Apologize". Now they'll be media darlings. There is no price to be paid for their ilk, if one is a Dem or one of their supporters. (Caution: Rant ahead): Just like Barney Frank, who along with a few others, could arguably be held responsible for the sup prime disaster which helped create the mortgage crisis which helped create the banking crisis which helped create the international economic crisis. But, instead, Frank retains his position on the Financial Services Committee and faces no reprisals. But, he's a Dem.

You are right, of course and it's a problem that's preplexed me for a long time - why the Dems never seem to be held accountable for anything. Bottom line is I think this phenomenon keeps occuring because of the media. They set the agenda for everything that does and does not get discussed in this country and their open slant towards liberals ensures that their mistakes are never discussed. It's despicable and puts the lie to the concept of Govenrment by the people

What's the difference between Timothy McVeigh and Dohrn/Ayers? As far as I can tell, it's only the body count.

It's just odd to hear terrorist say that electing their candidate proves fear doesn't work. I wonder what's the purpose of terror? Were not the goals of the Weather Underground the very same as Al Qaeda's?

Just really weird how the media couldn't find these terrorist before the election, and now they are everywhere. Did they stay in Michelle/Obiden closet?

BTW, where is O'Biden these days?

re: #171 imploder..... It'll be worse on 20 January.....I think I'll be physically ill....

Me too. It's gonna start on MOnday, the 19th, tho, which is MLK day. Will it be safe to go outside if you're white? I bet not, in certain places.

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

Oops!
You are correct [my bad]!

Timeline

re: #256 CharlieBravo

FOO = Friends Of Obama. Is there someway we can add an 'L' to that?

Liars!

So, we got these 2 snotwheasels in the mix with the obummer crowd. When will Angela Davis and the rest of the Black Panther movement surface? Do you think anyone from the new regime will give the clenched fist salute at the innaugration?

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel

-The US was Saddam Hussein's chief supplier of weapons before the 1990-91 Gulf War.

(Note: The above quote was meant as a reversal of the truth, just so it isn't taken out of context)

As I recall, the closest the US came to that, was to supply Iraq with pesticide chemicals, until that operation was shut down.

U.S. Halts Shipment of Chemicals to Iraq (AP) WASHINGTON - U.S. Customs agents in New York impounded a shipment of 74 drums of potassium fluoride, a principal ingredient of a deadly form of nerve gas, to Iraq, the Customs Service said Saturday. . ." (Page 1, Battle Creek Enquirer, 1 April 1984). The shipment was destined for the "Ministry of Pesticides" in Baghdad.

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How come the interviewer could not ask dorn about making fun of one of the victims who was paralyzed with a parody using a song by Bob Dylan song? She was on tape saying it, I don't know the exact details but what a great question. I would love to hear the excuse for that.................