Why do I think of Molly Ivins?

I used to say "Ni!"

Roger that.

Very nice. Now, chop down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring...oh wait, we can't chop down trees anymore.

The back-lot lagoon set for Giligans Island?

Palmettos please, no filters...

I wonder how many neo-cons are hiding behind it.../hahahaahha

That's a fan palm.

re: #4 Leonidas Hoplite

Very nice. Now, chop down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring...oh wait, we can't chop down trees anymore.

And we've overfished the herrings anyway.

re: #7 imploder

I wonder how many neo-cons are hiding behind it.../hahahaahha

How many neo-cons are on vacation holiday?

Gee, for a second there I thought Charles had borrowed Molly Ivins's nickname for the 43rd president of the USA.

re: #10 taxfreekiller

If the Republicans can put Border Patrol officers in prison for 10 years for intercepting a known drug mule illegal and attempting to arrest him, think of what Obama and the A.C.L.U. dominated Supreme Court and the U.S. Justice Dept. will do to you.

It's something that involves violence? Right?

The very best thing about the palm IS, it isn't burning, Charles.

Pardon me for indulging, please - but THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' 'BOUT, PACKERS! WOOO HOOO!

Thank you.

re: #15 Elcid

The very best thing about the palm IS, it isn't burning, Charles.

It's close to the water, and that's a good thing. No fire and no aliens from the movie Signs.

Shrub=Obama

re: #17 taxfreekiller

MS-13
Zetas
Mexican Army APC's on this side of the border.

Kidnapping of U.S. Citizens now on this side of the border taken to Mexico and ransom demanded.

What will you do, wait until its your family?

When Obama takes away everyone's (effective) weaponry, it'll be all over but the crying.

What a relief. Sometimes a shrub is just a shrub and not a derogatory name for the Bush the younger.

"We require a shrubbery!"

/The Knights Who Say 'Ni!'

Shrub

/that's not a shrub, these are shrubs

i was expecting a Bush reference. i know me bad

re: #22 Tigger2005

"We require a shrubbery!"

/The Knights Who Say 'Ni!'

You will come to a tragic but silly end.

re: #23 Killian Bundy

/that's not a shrub, these are shrubs

Get thee to a shrubbery!

That's probably the only plant in SoCan that isn't in flames.

re: #27 DesertSage

That's probably the only plant in SoCan that isn't in flames.

That would be - SoCal

Charles - why can't we edit our own comments?

re: #28 DesertSage

That would be - SoCal

Charles - why can't we edit our own comments?

You could if you use preview.

re: #20 imploder

When Obama takes away everyone's (effective) weaponry, it'll be all over but the crying.

To quote the late great Charlton Heston, (ummm, he played the part of me, in a movie...I was a little to short, for the role...lol)..."Out of my cold dead hands".

re: #26 rawmuse

Get thee to a shrubbery!

/The knights who say Ni!

re: #13 The Other Les

It's something that involves violence? Right?

This has been covered here before. The border guards in this case are not heroes.

re: #29 reine.de.tout

You could if you use preview.

Preview and I have an ambivalent relationship.

re: #20 imploder

When Obama takes away everyone's (effective) weaponry & free speech it'll be all over but the crying.

re: #33 Tigger2005

Preview and I have an ambivalent relationship.

Preview sometimes gets hung-up.
But I use it sometimes and can fix things before posting them.

re: #20 imploder

When Obama takes away everyone's (effective) weaponry, it'll be all over but the crying.

Well, if everyone who has guns plans to give them up to the government without a fight, seems to me there's really not much point in having them in the first place.

re: #29 reine.de.tout

You could if you use preview.

True, but mistakes still happen.

Diamond Head Shrubs...........getting Green........

re: #34 FrogMarch

If we're going to just LET him do stuff like this, then what kind of brave patriots are we anyway? Patrick Henry is hanging his head in shame.

re: #37 DesertSage

True, but mistakes still happen.

Yes, they do, and when I use preview, I still make mistakes.
I was just pointing out that the "edit" function actually does exist.

re: #38 IslandLibertarian

Diamond Head Shrubs...........getting Green........

Diamond Head!

for a second, I thought GWB had really PO'ed Charles again.

I'm glad we do not have an Edit function. It would turn us all in to politicians, reversing ourselves every other hour.

re: #43 rawmuse

I'm glad we do not have an Edit function. It would turn us all in to politicians, reversing ourselves every other hour.

ARGH!
We have an edit function.
It's in "preview".

rawmuse
Was it John Cage? (the mycologist...)

If so, did "random music" come up in conversation?

re: #1 rawmuse

Why do I think of Molly Ivins?

GMTA

Molly was my first thought, as well. Damn memes.

re: #40 reine.de.tout

Yes, they do, and when I use preview, I still make mistakes.
I was just pointing out that the "edit" function actually does exist.

When I post a comment, even if there are no mistakes in the body of the comment itself, sometimes there are things that I would like to add...or even subtract.

Sometimes you remember something you left out...only moments after you clicked that magic button. You wish you could have added that something, but alas....the comment is forever irretrievable.

re: #41 Iron Fist

Diamond Head!

Wow dude, don't harsh my mellow.............

re: #19 Jed 1899

Shrub=Obama

"Weed" may be more appropriate, considering his admitted drug use.

re: #48 DesertSage

When I post a comment, even if there are no mistakes in the body of the comment itself, sometimes there are things that I would like to add...or even subtract.

Sometimes you remember something you left out...only moments after you clicked that magic button. You wish you could have added that something, but alas....the comment is forever irretrievable.

Down the lizard hole so to speak. jajajaja!

Once again I present:

The Barack Hussein Obama Presidential Library.

From the guidebook:

As you approach the Library, you are immediately blinded by the sun-like radiance emanating from His Eminence's mighty gold-plated statue, which is approximately ten feet taller than the Statue of Liberty (before it was destroyed in the tragedy of 2011). You can pause to read the inscription by Maya Angelou projected on the base: "By the rainbow's pulse, the sun of a new dawn rises upon the land, the indigo giant awakens, the oceans fall, heed His call, O citizen of the world!"

Not to be outdone, the gleaming marble of the massive Main Hall (the Temple of Obama) now greets your eyes. White fluted columns support it. You mount the 57 steps and enter the citadel. What will greet you there? It changes day to day. A Code Pink/Breasts Not Bombs dance? A UN child choir concert? An Obama film festival? But always you will behold the Great Seal of Obama upon the marble floor, the permanent display of Revolutionary art, and ongoing services in the Worship Hall (you may have to visit the Secondary Worship Hall, as the Muslim worshipers have forced almost all infidels out of the main sanctuary).

Going on, you enter "The Bus," which pays tribute to the many influences on Obama's life. In this long building are halls for Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, ACORN, the Reverend Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Father Phleger, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, Khalid al-Mansour, and many others. There is also a room set aside for Obama's writings other than his biographies. Look carefully, it's small and easy to miss. But you owe it to yourself to read el Presidente's bad poetry.

The Bus passes over the Meditation Gardens and the huge crescent-shaped Meditation Pools. Here you will find large bay windows framing a Starbucks. Outdoor tables are available. Stop, enjoy a latte, and listen to the gently lapping waters and flowing fountains as you breathe in the scents of the 100% organic gardens. For $50 you can rent a paddle-boat.

Off by itself across the South Pool is the Hall of Sealed Records. You can't go there. All potentially incriminating stuff from Obama's past and his years in the White House is in there under lock and key, until the last of his political enemies who might dare attempt to stain his glorious legacy is eliminated. Some particularly sensitive material has already been shredded and atomized. (But his nirth certificate is still there!)

We hope you've enjoyed your visit. Please visit the gift shop back in the main hall and pick up your Obama booty and signed copies of his biographies (purchase several of each). You can also get your copy of the 6,785 page Global Constitution, to which Obama was the first signatory!

Newsflash, Al. You haven't stolen the election yet....

Al Franken to visit with Senate leaders in D.C.

MINNEAPOLIS - Democrat Al Franken says he’ll be in Washington, D.C., this week to meet with Democratic Senate leaders.

There’s an orientation for new senators being held this week, but Franken told WCCO-TV on Sunday that it would be too presumptuous to attend the orientation with the race between him and Republican Sen. Norm Coleman still unsettled.

How big of him.

re: #50 Shay4l

Actually, I think he prefers to be called "Rock"...

re: #54 Iron Fist

Actually, I think he prefers to be called "Rock"...

no you didn't

re: #49 IslandLibertarian

I like Metallica's cover of it better, but I wish I'd heard Diamond Head when they first came out. I'd have had some fun with it :-)

re: #53 loppyd

Newsflash, Al. You haven't stolen the election yet....

Al Franken to visit with Senate leaders in D.C.

How big of him.

Man, I can't believe the tom-foolery going on up there. Small towns sending in hundreds of unexpetedly lost votes. :facepalm:

re: #55 Taqiyyotomist

:-þ

re: #54 Iron Fist

Actually, I think he prefers to be called "Rock"...

Is it too early to declare him "President Zero, greatest failure in US presidential history"?

Women want Larry Summers off

Don’t back him for Cabinet
By Christine McConville

A controversial comment at a Cambridge conference may cost former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers a second stint in the Cabinet.

“I’m concerned about his judgment and ability to listen,” said Nancy Hopkins, a biology professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and one of the many women who say they are concerned about Summers’ rumored appointment as President-elect Barack Obama’s Treasury secretary.

In 2005, Hopkins walked out of an academic conference after Summers, the keynote speaker and the president of Harvard University at the time, said that innate differences between men and women might be one reason fewer women succeed in science and math careers.

This will be a fight I'll enjoy watching. Moonbat v. Moonbat is always thoroughly entertaining....

re: #36 Tigger2005

Well, if everyone who has guns plans to give them up to the government without a fight, seems to me there's really not much point in having them in the first place.

Want to make a liberal's head explode? Tell them you only use your guns to perform partial-birth abortions.

re: #57 imploder

It ain't over 'til I say it's over. And I don't say it's over 'til I win.

Something like that.

Beach Shrubs with 'shrooms.............

re: #38 IslandLibertarian

Diamond Head Shrubs...........getting Green........

are you finally getting rain?

re: #63 Iron Fist

It ain't over 'til I say it's over. And I don't say it's over 'til I win.

Something like that.

It sure seems like Franken will do whatever it takes to win. I think he's an untrustworthy sort anyway. Anyone here close to this recount up that way?

re: #60 Shay4l

No, I don't think we have to wait until the actual inauguration to label him a failure. It's a progressive thing to do so.

Where, behind that bush?

}:)     [/channeling moonbats ... ]

re: #60 Shay4l

Is it too early to declare him "President Zero, greatest failure in US presidential history"?

It's too early to call him that, but feel free to call him "President-Elect Zero, greatest probable failure in US presidential history." That should tide you over for the next two months.

re: #53 loppyd

Newsflash, Al. You haven't stolen the election yet....

Al Franken to visit with Senate leaders in D.C.

/without Jedi mind tricks or outright cheating, there ain't no way he comes up with another 206 votes during the recount, it's pretty much statistically impossible, the ballots have already been canvassed and certified once, where they only found about a dozen more Franken votes

re: #65 FrogMarch

yeah, finally........D'Head is looking tropical, not desert like these days.

re: #57 imploder

Man, I can't believe the tom-foolery going on up there. Small towns sending in hundreds of unexpetedly lost votes. :facepalm:

He wants access to the rejected absentee ballots. You know what that means.

I was a challenger for the NH Republican Party on election day and saw to it that several absentee ballots were tossed. They were same-day registrations sent in with an absentee ballot. In most cases I challenged because they had not signed the affidavit in both places. You just know Al is going to want these such ballots to be counted - if they are Dems, that is.

As I stood behind the same-day registration table and watched person after person circling "DEMOCRAT" as their party affiliation I was more and more convinced that McCain was going down in NH.

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/without Jedi mind tricks or outright cheating, there ain't no way he comes up with another 206 votes during the recount, it's pretty much statistically impossible, the ballots have already been canvassed and certified once, where they only found about a dozen more Franken votes

No, they found a few hundred more, and every single one of them was for Franken.

re: #70 Killian Bundy

/without Jedi mind tricks or outright cheating, there ain't no way he comes up with another 206 votes during the recount, it's pretty much statistically impossible, the ballots have already been canvassed and certified once, where they only found about a dozen more Franken votes

I'll take 'outright cheating', then, for $400, Alex.

Enough.

I have to say - I agree 100%.

re: #36 Tigger2005

Of course, I don't own any firearms. Don't even know anyone who has firearms. Who, me? You have mistaken for someone else, officer.

What does our President-elect and the former site of the World Trade Center have in common?

Everywhere Obama goes will be Ground Zero.

How can a palm be a shrub? Isn't that a violation of some aspect of the definition?

re: #28 DesertSage

That would be - SoCal

Charles - why can't we edit our own comments?

He likes to keep us humble. ;)

re: #72 IslandLibertarian

yeah, finally........D'Head is looking tropical, not desert like these days.

oh good. I keep an eye on Hawaiian real estate (just for fun) and other things island related, and I've noticed the dryness.
How is the vog these day?
(send the rain over to CA when through, thanks. :-))

re: #76 FrogMarch

I can't say as I disagree with any of the particulars. I am glad to say I don't live in Michagan, though.

Did Al Fwanken run on the Stewart Smalley ("I'm good enough, I'm smart enough,I'm strong enough.. and goshdarnit people like me") gambit? This guy is more of a joke when he's trying to be serious.

re: #74 imploder

No, they found a few hundred more, and every single one of them was for Franken.

Right, but now all the precincts have been rechecked and certified.

/they're fresh out of legal ways to pull 206 more votes out of their asses

re: #85 Killian Bundy

Emphasis on legal. That doesn't seem to be a big concern for Democrats.

re: #82 FrogMarch

Vog has been cleared out by the trades and rain on the Northern end of the state.
If you can get the money, now is the time to BUY here.

re: #86 Iron Fist

Emphasis on legal. That doesn't seem to be a big concern for Democrats.

/Coleman lawyers are all over it

re: #57 imploder

Man, I can't believe the tom-foolery going on up there. Small towns sending in hundreds of unexpetedly lost votes. :facepalm:

Small DEMOCRAT towns. They are finding these votes in Democrat towns only, according to radio host Jason Lewis (who I think is from MN).

re: #1 rawmuse

Why do I think of Molly Ivins?

Don't know why. The plant is alive.

re: #10 taxfreekiller

If the Republicans can put Border Patrol officers in prison for 10 years for intercepting a known drug mule illegal and attempting to arrest him, think of what Obama and the A.C.L.U. dominated Supreme Court and the U.S. Justice Dept. will do to you.

All they have to do is read the post here and we are all domed.

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

I thought they looked like fools.

Here is Summers' replacement.

re: #85 Killian Bundy

Right, but now all the precincts have been rechecked and certified.

/they're fresh out of legal ways to pull 206 more votes out of their asses

I wasn't aware that there are ANY legal ways to pull votes out of your ass.

re: #87 IslandLibertarian

Vog has been cleared out by the trades and rain on the Northern end of the state.
If you can get the money, now is the time to BUY here.

Nice for you!
I'd love to, but I'm not there yet. With the democrat's up and coming confiscatory punitive tax schemes - I'll have less investment money on hand.
but I can dream....

re: #85 Killian Bundy

Right, but now all the precincts have been rechecked and certified.

/they're fresh out of legal ways to pull 206 more votes out of their asses

Found an article that shed some light on what happened. [Link: minnesotaindependent.com...]

I agree with you KB, but the bar is very low. Franken only needs to gain one vote in every eighth or ninth precinct to win. That's why he wants to see the absentee data. He's going to want the absentee ballots to count, even if they were systemically rejected due for statuatory reasons. I smell some more divining of the vote. Gosh that was torture in 2000. What a circus.

P.S. in the article of course the comment section is overrun with moonbats defending ACORN mickey mouse registrations and the like.

re: #93 Tigger2005

I wasn't aware that there are ANY legal ways to pull votes out of your ass.

That won't stop Franken from suing anyway......

WOW, Charles!

This is your best shot EVUH! ! !
Beautiful!

re: #89 ciaospirit

Small DEMOCRAT towns. They are finding these votes in Democrat towns only, according to radio host Jason Lewis (who I think is from MN).

THEY'RE DONE FINDING BALLOTS!

/now they face the steep uphill battle of trying to find 206 more votes from the existing universe of known ballots, which have already been recounted once

I'm off to fix a snack....

Barry 'aint president yet and I'll eat what I want!

re: #91 BBev

All they have to do is read the post here and we are all domed.

They'll shave our heads?

re: #93 Tigger2005

I wasn't aware that there are ANY legal ways to pull votes out of your ass.

Then you must not be a Democrat.

re: #88 Killian Bundy

I certianly hope so. Al Franken wouldn't be more obviously trying to steal the election if he were wearing a ski mask and pointing a gun at people.

re: #99 loppyd

I'm off to fix a snack....

Barry 'aint president yet and I'll eat what I want!

I have my thermostat set on 78 degrees...

re: #85 Killian Bundy

Right, but now all the precincts have been rechecked and certified.

/they're fresh out of legal ways to pull 206 more votes out of their asses

I heard they are going to impose "intent" into the recount. If someone voted for Obama and other Dems but didn't vote for either Coleman or Frankenstein, it will be assumed that they intended to vote for the Dem Franken but somehow missed it. Sounds absurd. But apparently it's possible.

re: #83 Iron Fist

I can't say as I disagree with any of the particulars. I am glad to say I don't live in Michigan, though.

Some parts of Michigan are beautiful. De-toilet not so much. I met a guy just yesterday (at the CU game) from Michigan. Total lefty.

re: #103 Tigger2005

I have my thermostat set on 78 degrees...

Mine is jacked up too! LOL

BBL

re: #104 ciaospirit

I heard they are going to impose "intent" into the recount. If someone voted for Obama and other Dems but didn't vote for either Coleman or Frankenstein, it will be assumed that they intended to vote for the Dem Franken but somehow missed it. Sounds absurd. But apparently it's possible.

They just aint right. If someone undervoted, then they undervoted. That was their intent. No court should ever count undervotes. They might as well say people who didn't show up to vote had an intent to vote one way or another.

re: #104 ciaospirit

The fact that Franken is even close to Coleman is bad enough. The fact that Franken is trying to outright steal this election is even worse. That "man" is a pathetic windbag. If he gets in, about 50% of MN should be looking pretty hard that the other 50%, wondering what the f*ck they are thinking.

re: #98 Killian Bundy

THEY'RE DONE FINDING BALLOTS!

If it's anything like Broward Co., et al, FL, c. 2000, they certainly are not. About 6 months from now, stacks and stacks of ballots will be found...
Hidden behind drawers in file cabinets, in pollworkers homes, etc.
All Republican, of course.

A no talent hack like Franken makes the Senate, I dno't think they can consider themselves the "Upper" House anymore.

re: #110 Taqiyyotomist

If it's anything like Broward Co., et al, FL, c. 2000, they certainly are not. About 6 months from now, stacks and stacks of ballots will be found...
Hidden behind drawers in file cabinets, in pollworkers homes, etc.
All Republican, of course.

Yes, they are busy finding votes for Frankenstein right now

Anyone know if any lizards are affected by the fires in CA?

re: #109 Desert Dog

The fact that Franken is even close to Coleman is bad enough. The fact that Franken is trying to outright steal this election is even worse. That "man" is a pathetic windbag. If he gets in, about 50% of MN should be looking pretty hard that the other 50%, wondering what the f*ck they are thinking.

It had a strong third party contender, so it's only like 34%-34% of Minnesotans giving each other the stink eye.

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

One time I went to LA there was a dancer doing positively obscene things with a blow-pop. Other than that, though, things are much more risque here (in the buckle of the Bible Belt) that they were in California.

Or so I hear :-)

re: #114 imploder

That;s right....what's the deal with that other guy? He took 300,000 votes away from someone? Was it more of a loss for Coleman or a lost for Frankenstein?

Actually, that picture is of a 35-foot palm tree being inundated by Conservatogenic Global Warming. Obama will soon have things put to right, though, so have no fear.

re: #115 Iron Fist

I agree completely....;).

re: #95 imploder

He's going to want the absentee ballots to count, even if they were systemically rejected due for statuatory reasons.

Well, good luck with that. Even if he miraculously prevails, the rejected ballots should split evenly, although arguably Franken voters are way more stupid than Coleman voters.

/Minnesota law bends over backward to count every vote, but there's limits, you have to cast your absentee ballot correctly or it will be rejected by law

re: #94 FrogMarch

Thanks to the Social Engineering of Carter, Clinton, ACORN, Raines, Frank and Dobbs, we've already had layoffs at my office.
We are directly affected by the housing market and we are looking at the worst of all possible outcomes if O-Liar follows through with his Socialist agenda.

DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!

re: #116 Desert Dog

That;s right....what's the deal with that other guy? He took 300,000 votes away from someone? Was it more of a loss for Coleman or a lost for Frankenstein?

I haven't really looked into that but considering it's Minn, I would suspect the third party guy was a Greenie or something along those lines. Maybe a Ventura clone. In the former case it would have hurt Franken, in the later, Coleman.

re: #109 Desert Dog

Cold Civil War. Coming to a State near you. To be released nationwide 20 January 2009.

Damn...Or so I hear :-)

re: #104 ciaospirit

re: #107 imploder

Undervote, shmundervote! ! !

What the hell!

In my district, I voted straight Republican all the way down the ticket... until I came to our local Alderman election. I refused to vote at all there, because ''my man" used our church directory as his campaign mailing list, and when I confronted him, he just literally laughed it off with the used-car-salesman-Billy-Mays-attitude of "Hey! It's legal!"

re: #89 ciaospirit

Small DEMOCRAT towns. They are finding these votes in Democrat towns only, according to radio host Jason Lewis (who I think is from MN).

I believe a couple of the towns were Two Harbors and Mountain Iron which are both in northeastern MN. That's the iron range (Two Harbors isn't technically on the iron range, but is a port on Lake Superior where trains from the range offload their cargo onto ships) - a lot union members that vote for Democrats (Kerry got over 65% of the vote in 2004).

In MN - I think the left-dems have a plan for close elections. That's why they are always seen smiling.

Certain leftist election people keep stacks blank ballots in case of emergency. Then they fill out the ballots after the fact and say "Hey look what I found in the back of my car." "oh... and they are all for Franken."
Gotta count every vote.

re: #119 Killian Bundy

There you go with that "law" stuff...
every party has a pooper thats why we invited you...party pooper..party pooper...

re: #125 gregg

I believe a couple of the towns were Two Harbors and Mountain Iron which are both in northeastern MN. That's the iron range (Two Harbors isn't technically on the iron range, but is a port on Lake Superior where trains from the range offload their cargo onto ships) - a lot union members that vote for Democrats (Kerry got over 65% of the vote in 2004).

Yes, those are the towns Lewis mentioned.

Keys that jingle in your pocket
Words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that I said?
Lovers walk along a shore
And leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming
Just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway
Or the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces
But to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over
Were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the colour of her hair?

Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

re: #128 ciaospirit

Yes, those are the towns Lewis mentioned.

Local election official: Someone call the capitol, I'm so embarassed, I forgot to turn in these 230 votes, all for Franken, that I found on my front porch step this morning!

re: #104 ciaospirit

I heard they are going to impose "intent" into the recount. If someone voted for Obama and other Dems but didn't vote for either Coleman or Frankenstein, it will be assumed that they intended to vote for the Dem Franken but somehow missed it. Sounds absurd. But apparently it's possible.

That's total and complete bull[expletive deleted]. Lots of people just voted for President.

/now, by Minnesota law, if someone circled or used an"x" or some other intentional marking that can reasonably be construed as a vote for either candidate, as opposed to blackening the oval like you learned to do in fourth grade, that vote will count

re: #126 FrogMarch

In MN - I think the left-dems have a plan for close elections. That's why they are always seen smiling.

Certain leftist election people keep stacks blank ballots in case of emergency. Then they fill out the ballots after the fact and say "Hey look what I found in the back of my car." "oh... and they are all for Franken."
Gotta count every vote.

The attorney general has connections to Acorn. I read an article that the Democrats have put a lot of effort into getting attorney generals elected, so they will have control over close elections. Looks like it was a smart plan on their part.

re: #130 imploder

Local election official: Someone call the capitol, I'm so embarassed, I forgot to turn in these 230 votes, all for Franken, that I found on my front porch step this morning!

Didn't one of the officials find over 30 votes (all for Frankenstein) in the back seat of the his/her car?

re: #122 Iron Fist

Cold Civil War. Coming to a State near you. To be released nationwide 20 January 2009.

It's so sad that thing are coming to that but we all have to ask our selves when is enough enough?

re: #130 imploder

Quick! Get me some blank ballots! I have a twitching intuition that they all want to vote for Coleman. Because, um, we have to divine the will of the voter since they weren't able to vote themselves.

re: #120 IslandLibertarian

Thanks to the Social Engineering of Carter, Clinton, ACORN, Raines, Frank and Dobbs, we've already had layoffs at my office.
We are directly affected by the housing market and we are looking at the worst of all possible outcomes if O-Liar follows through with his Socialist agenda.

DEMOCRATS LIED!
MY 401K DIED!

Yikes. It's scary - and none of us are safe from a job cut. and while the Republicans should be screaming about Fannie and Freddie and the corrupt ineptitude of democrats who used Fannie and Freddie for their own personal piggy bank - we get hosed.

I remember hearing on the local news in HI (this was a few years back) about a family living on welfare in Oahu. They were living high off the hog, the husband had a job with a nice income, and somehow they managed to screw the state out of a ton of money. and it was just ONE family.
Democrat takers - give em a inch and they take a mile.

It looks like the third guy in that MN race was from the Independence Party...an off shoot of Jesse Ventura with links to a Ross Perot-type mentality. I am guessing that if this guy was not on the ballot, Coleman would have won big. If Franken wins, we can all thank Dean Barkley.

re: #132 gregg

The attorney general has connections to Acorn. I read an article that the Democrats have put a lot of effort into getting attorney generals elected, so they will have control over close elections. Looks like it was a smart plan on their part.

smart - and corrupt.

re: #133 ciaospirit

Didn't one of the officials find over 30 votes (all for Frankenstein) in the back seat of the his/her car?

I remember when I was in the military if someone had classified information wrongly stored in their car or left out somewhere, we assumed it was accessed illicitly. You'd have to make a similar assumption of ballots found in someone's car. How can they be sure they are legit?

7.6 billion to a country that cuts off a supply route for killing 5 al-Qaeda?

Talk about blood money.

re: #138 FrogMarch

smart - and corrupt.

The Dems always play hardball....they do not mess around. By hook or crook, whatever it takes.....Why is it the Republicans cannot see that and refuse to react to it?

re: #136 FrogMarch

Was it here on LGF that I read about the Dems discussing confiscating our 401K's and replacing them with GRA's at a 3% return.

RIP
401K
1998 - 2010

re: #134 BBev

It's so sad that thing are coming to that but we all have to ask our selves when is enough enough?

"If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, then eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Krushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War and that one day, when the time comes to delivery the ultimatum our surrender will be voluntary because by that time, we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for peace at any price, or better Red than dead, or as one commentator put it, he'd rather live on his knees than die on his feet. And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery."

Ronald Reagan, "A Time For Choosing" speech, 1964

re: #132 gregg

The attorney general has connections to Acorn. I read an article that the Democrats have put a lot of effort into getting attorney generals elected, so they will have control over close elections. Looks like it was a smart plan on their part.

Ohio's AG fits that description. She made it so there could be no poll observers during the same day registration/vote week. Among other shit.

Olmert to GA: US must take the lead against a nuclear Iran

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Earth to Olmert: Get a clue!

re: #133 ciaospirit

Didn't one of the officials find over 30 votes (all for Frankenstein) in the back seat of the his/her car?

That's turning out to be a bit of an urban myth and it was 32.

/they key thing is that now they're fighting over a known universe of ballots that have been already counted twice, you're just not going to see huge swings anymore and Norm only has to end up winning by one, so he's got 204 to give

re: #134 BBev

That is the $64000 question. I've always believed that the Second Amendment was put there to give teeth to the rest of the Bill of Rights. If the Court ever gets around to it, I'd say you're going to see most Federal gun laws thrown out. If the Court applies strict scrutiny to it, well, it reads shall not be infringed.

Far from being vague, the Second Amendment has the strongest language of any amendment in the Bill of Rights.

When do we say enough is enough?

re: #142 monkeytime

Yeh some CA Dem is pushing for it. Gonna promise to restore the principal to before crash levels mto con us into it. Would also take away tax-exempt status.

re: #139 imploder

I remember when I was in the military if someone had classified information wrongly stored in their car or left out somewhere, we assumed it was accessed illicitly. You'd have to make a similar assumption of ballots found in someone's car. How can they be sure they are legit?

They don't care if they're legit. They were for Franken.

re: #132 gregg

The attorney general has connections to Acorn.

/Secretary of State

re: #143 Tigger2005

I was raised from the youngest age that it was better to die on my feet than to live on my knees. It is the first, and most important, of the values my parents instilled in me.

re: #137 Desert Dog

It looks like the third guy in that MN race was from the Independence Party...an off shoot of Jesse Ventura with links to a Ross Perot-type mentality. I am guessing that if this guy was not on the ballot, Coleman would have won big. If Franken wins, we can all thank Dean Barkley.

When Wellstone died, Ventura appointed Barkley to finish the term (only a few months). I suspect Barkley also drew some votes from Democrats who would never vote for a Republican, but couldn't stand Franken. I wonder of there was any exit polling to determine who Barkley hurt the most?

re: #146 Killian Bundy

That's turning out to be a bit of an urban myth and it was 32.

/they key thing is that now they're fighting over a known universe of ballots that have been already counted twice, you're just not going to see huge swings anymore and Norm only has to end up winning by one, so he's got 204 to give

I hope you're right. Franken in the Senate is just too much of a bad thing.

re: #153 ciaospirit

I hope you're right. Franken in the Senate is just too much of a bad thing.

Wouldn't Franken be the fillibuster-proof minority buster? If so, I'd be prepared for some real shenanigans. Especially since Stevens is now toast in Alaska.

SD leads Pitts. 7 to 2. But it's only the bottom of the 5th so plenty of time left?

re: #150 Killian Bundy

/Secretary of State

Yes, that's right - sorry about that.

re: #141 Desert Dog

The Dems always play hardball....they do not mess around. By hook or crook, whatever it takes.....Why is it the Republicans cannot see that and refuse to react to it?

Too busy playing golf, too busy worrying about nonsense, too busy saying dumb stuff and ignoring the corrupt pink donkey in the room... ?
If we could answer that, we might also begin to answer why republicans keep losing ground.

The combination of corrupt, desperate-to-win power hungry democrats and complacent do-nothing Republicans is why we are looking at freaks like Harry and Nancy to "govern" us.

re: #154 imploder

Wouldn't Franken be the fillibuster-proof minority buster? If so, I'd be prepared for some real shenanigans. Especially since Stevens is now toast in Alaska.

How far is Stevens behind up there?

re: #153 ciaospirit

I hope you're right. Franken in the Senate is just too much of a bad thing.

/by going after the rejected absentee ballots, you can tell he's desperate

re: #153 ciaospirit

The Democrats are already too damn close to a filibuster-proof majority. One more could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. There are at least a couple of RINOs in there that will probably vote for cloture.

re: #142 monkeytime

Was it here on LGF that I read about the Dems discussing confiscating our 401K's and replacing them with GRA's at a 3% return.

RIP
401K
1998 - 2010

Talk radio and blogs. The democrats just want to micro-manage everything to death. Bail out every failing union backed or corrupt enterprise and steal our 401s to do it. "in the name of fairness"

re: #161 Iron Fist

Hell
McCain could be one of them

re: #162 FrogMarch

Talk radio and blogs. The democrats just want to micro-manage everything to death. Bail out every failing union backed or corrupt enterprise and steal our 401s to do it. "in the name of fairness"

They want to bail out union jobs because they happen to be Democrat backers.

re: #154 imploder

Wouldn't Franken be the fillibuster-proof minority buster? If so, I'd be prepared for some real shenanigans. Especially since Stevens is now toast in Alaska.

No.

/the would still need to beat Saxby Chambliss and hold on to Joe Lieberman

re: #163 screaming_eagle

Hell
McCain could be one of them

If it involves amnesty or give away programs, he mostly likely will.....

re: #157 FrogMarch

Too busy playing golf, too busy worrying about nonsense, too busy saying dumb stuff and ignoring the corrupt pink donkey in the room... ?
If we could answer that, we might also begin to answer why republicans keep losing ground.

The combination of corrupt, desperate-to-win power hungry democrats and complacent do-nothing Republicans is why we are looking at freaks like Harry and Nancy to "govern" us.

We need a new crop of Republicans with some fight in them, that's all there is to it. Come on, how many do we need? Two Senators per state and a handful of representatives. Maybe we can find them among the small business owners who will soon have to close up shop.

re: #162 FrogMarch

I remember reading the article. I will see if I can find it in my pile o crap.
Maybe the dems can manage my laundry too. I keep putting the bleach in where the fabric softner is supposed to go in this new machine.

re: #144 ciaospirit

Ohio's AG fits that description. She made it so there could be no poll observers during the same day registration/vote week. Among other shit.

Oops. I meant Secy of State. The AG is under fire over the Joe the Plumber civil rights violations.

re: #164 imploder

They want to bail out union jobs because they happen to be Democrat backers.

it's all political payback schemes.

re: #166 Desert Dog

If it involves amnesty or give away programs, he mostly likely will.....

Or Judges. I heard him explain it before. And he would move to solely vote up or down based solely on judical qualifacations and not there ruling record.

re: #166 Desert Dog

If it involves amnesty or give away programs, he mostly likely will.....

I am worried that after being beaten and ripped by the MSM, McCain is gonna want to get back in their good graces. Over our dead bodies!

re: #172 Nevergiveup

I am worried that after being beaten and ripped by the MSM, McCain is gonna want to get back in their good graces. Over our dead bodies!

We could start a rumor......

re: #60 Shay4l

Is it too early to declare him "President Zero, greatest failure in US presidential history"?

Now, now... let's be civil.

re: #173 Wishing

We could start a rumor......

What? That he is the father of trig?
/

re: #171 screaming_eagle

His problem is he assumes the Dems will offer the same courtesy and sense of fair play when the tables are turned. He's been there long enough to know that the Dems will glady take your vote when they need it, but will never, ever, under any circumstances reciprocate.

re: #175 Nevergiveup

What? That he is the father of trig?
/

rofl

re: #143 Tigger2005

And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery."

Ronald Reagan, "A Time For Choosing" speech, 1964

My family was here from the beginning they came here on the Mayflower we have all worked hard to make this country great but sad to say that the baby boom generation of my family for the most part has gone socialist if not Marxist they work for and get paid by the state and city Governments where I work and give my time for free to the State and City Governments and work in the private sector. I will not give up I will not relent I will stay the thorn in there side till the day I die no mater how that comes!

Stevens may not lose the election after all. [Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

Looks like the absentee ballots from the cities would swing his way (not that I'd want a convicted felon in the Senate).

re: #161 Iron Fist

The Democrats are already too damn close to a filibuster-proof majority. One more could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. There are at least a couple of RINOs in there that will probably vote for cloture.

One small hope we have is that some "moderate" Dems stay moderate. I'm not counting on it though. Especially since we can't count on McCain either. He likes to be nice, ya know.

re: #180 ciaospirit

One small hope we have is that some "moderate" Dems stay moderate. I'm not counting on it though. Especially since we can't count on McCain either. He likes to be nice, ya know.

Yeah, there is even less need for McCain to posture himself anymore. It's hard to predict how he will roll.

re: #176 Desert Dog

I agree. His explanation had smoke coming out of my ears when I heard him say it. One need only say "Clarence Thomas" to counter his point.

re: #179 imploder

Stevens may not lose the election after all. [Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

Looks like the absentee ballots from the cities would swing his way (not that I'd want a convicted felon in the Senate).

So this is how getting your tail kicked looks? Hoping against hope for a victory by a convicted felon. GO TED!

re: #163 screaming_eagle

That's entirely possible. Probable, even, on the right legislation (think amnesty). I was never thrilled with McCain. It's just that he was so much better when you compared him to his opposition.

re: #183 Nevergiveup

So this is how getting your tail kicked looks? Hoping against hope for a victory by a convicted felon. GO TED!

I don't know, the best result would be Ted steps down so that the Governor could appoint a worthy replacement. That's the value of winning the seat rather than losing it.

re: #183 Nevergiveup

So this is how getting your tail kicked looks? Hoping against hope for a victory by a convicted felon. GO TED!

/he'll be immediately expelled from the Senate, but at least his replacement would be a Republican

re: #184 Iron Fist

That's entirely possible. Probable, even, on the right legislation (think amnesty). I was never thrilled with McCain. It's just that he was so much better when you compared him to his opposition.

Yeah, who would you want sitting across the table from Vladimir "hang him by his balls" Putin?

re: #183 Nevergiveup

Vote for the crook! It's important!

It is a sad state of affairs when we are pulling for the felon to win a senate race. As for myself, I hope he never gets elected to another thing again, and if we lose any chance of a filibuster, so be it. The man does not belong in the Senate.

re: #186 Killian Bundy

/he'll be immediately expelled from the Senate, but at least his replacement would be a Republican

I know. I wasn't being facetious. GO TED!

re: #189 Wishing

It is a sad state of affairs when we are pulling for the felon to win a senate race. As for myself, I hope he never gets elected to another thing again, and if we lose any chance of a filibuster, so be it. The man does not belong in the Senate.

Well, for one, he's 84 years old, so your point is fairly a moot one.

A little OT but here goes.
I think there is a simple principle that Republicans have overlooked, at their peril - the principle of confronting lies, each and every time they're met. If this is not done then the lie ends up becoming a reality. Case in point - the 2000 election, where arguably the side that was trying to steal was the Democrats, yet the impression that remained is that Bush stole it. Even after all the media - the same traitorous ones that fell all over each other trying to publish sensitive national security information - went to Florida after the election and verified that Bush, had won. Yet 'Bush stole the election' was endlessly repeated and has entered the national consciousness. Liberals being the projection artists that they are, have no doubt convinced themselves, self-righteously, that whatever they need to do for Franken to win is justified.
This is the price we pay for not aggressively confronting lies everywhere they're met. i've caught myself countless times screaming at the TV as a notable republican just let's comments slide by without challenge.

We already have the media openly against us. Let's not aid them in their task by sitting by silently when lies are told......

re: #186 Killian Bundy

/he'll be immediately expelled from the Senate, but at least his replacement would be a Republican

Are you sure about that?

re: #167 Tigger2005

We need a new crop of Republicans with some fight in them, that's all there is to it. Come on, how many do we need? Two Senators per state and a handful of representatives. Maybe we can find them among the small business owners who will soon have to close up shop.

That's the problem. Democrats and leftist love to micro-mange and nanny state other people. Republicans just don't think like that.

Conservatives get up in the morning and think - "I'm going to take on the day and work hard to fulfill my dreams, and take care of me and mine."

Democrats wake up each day and think feel -- "I''m going to stop people from doing this this and this... I'm going to kill that persons dream for the common good, I'm going to make life difficult for person A so person B can benefit... I'm going to stop this and say no to that and raise this tax to pay for that bullshit. and I'm going to stop global warming..."
etc.. Democrats are just better suited for government jobs and bureaucracy in general.

but I agree with you - we need a fresh crop of fighting repubs to fight for us. & no more bailouts. Enough.

Why the hell do so many supposedly intelligent people think we've had fascism for the past eight years? They wouldn't know fascism if it bit them in the arse.

re: #187 Tigger2005

Yeah, who would you want sitting across the table from Vladimir "hang him by his balls" Putin?

Are you kidding?

/Obama!

Lizards, prayers please for the families of the two Kiowa pilots killed yesterday.
It was an accident

One of them was a friend of mine and my husbands'. He was a great person, so warm and funny.

Athiest Lizards, sending out good vibes would be appreciated too.

re: #164 imploder

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

re: #187 Tigger2005

Yeah, Obama likes to compare himself to JFK. We all remember what a bang-up job Kennedy did with Khrushchev, don't we?

re: #193 Wishing

Are you sure about that?

Yep.

/convicted felons don't go over well in the Senate and Palin would get to appoint herself his replacement

re: #197 Wookieelips

Lizards, prayers please for the families of the two Kiowa pilots killed yesterday.
It was an accident

One of them was a friend of mine and my husbands'. He was a great person, so warm and funny.

Athiest Lizards, sending out good vibes would be appreciated too.

So sorry to hear that. Awful news. Thoughts and prayers for you and their families.

re: #197 Wookieelips

My heart breaks for you and their families.

May Eternal Rest Be Granted Unto Them
And May Perpetual Light Shine Upon Them

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Yep.

/convicted felons don't go over well in the Senate and Palin would get to appoint herself his replacement

Besides, Democrats have such a raging woody to get the felon vote, they should feel fine losing that seat to a convict.

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Ted Kennedy has been in the Senate how long? He's a convicted felon, If I remember correctly. He pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide or some such, didn't he?

re: #198 monkeytime

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

Oh man, this sounds REALLY bad.

re: #197 Wookieelips

Lizards, prayers please for the families of the two Kiowa pilots killed yesterday.
It was an accident

One of them was a friend of mine and my husbands'. He was a great person, so warm and funny.

Athiest Lizards, sending out good vibes would be appreciated too.

Am so sorry for your loss. =(

Anybody have pros or cons about the fair tax?

re: #205 Wishing

Oh man, this sounds REALLY bad.

Rush was all over that about a week or so ago. It is bad.

re: #205 Wishing

AssHats.

Can I get a little path effect please?

re: #197 Wookieelips

Lizards, prayers please for the families of the two Kiowa pilots killed yesterday.
It was an accident

One of them was a friend of mine and my husbands'. He was a great person, so warm and funny.

Athiest Lizards, sending out good vibes would be appreciated too.

RIP. Words can't ease the loss of shuttered down young lives lost. May God Bless and keep them and may we all utter a word of thanks for their sacrifice.

I googled this, but it isn't on a single U.S. MSM news site that I could find. Thank you, Israel, for letting U.S. Jews know what's going on in our own country. We wouldn't know a thing from our own organizations, since it seems not to meet the narrative criteria:
Arab Students at UC Berkeley Disrupt Israel Event, Attack Jews

re: #200 Killian Bundy

Yep.

/convicted felons don't go over well in the Senate and Palin would get to appoint herself his replacement

If she is smart she will stay in Alaska and finish her term. As to Stevens, I am not convinced they will toss him anyway.

re: #204 Iron Fist

Ted Kennedy has been in the Senate how long? He's a convicted felon, If I remember correctly. He pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide or some such, didn't he?

/On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury

re: #192 LGoPs

The Democrats entire existence is based on Utopian and make-believe policies. For them, pretending that something is something it is not is not a hard reach for them. All of their major tenets are total BS. Equality of Result, not Equality of Oppourtunity. Judging people by their skin color rather than their character - see Affirmative Action. Basing their power base on "fairness", when that is the last thing they want. It is easy to hold on to a lie and falsehood if your entire political engine is already driven by that.

They are used to be losers too, as you can see by their "gracious" behavior after their victory. Even after winning, they are still acting like a bunch of whiny victims.

Thanks guys.

Lizards are the best.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

...wearing the phony baloney neck brace thing..... what a turd.

re: #207 ciaospirit

I don't like it. While they like to say it's fair (everybody does pay the same tax), it ignores the fact that all the wealthy have to do to avoid the tax is make purchases outside of the country. If you can afford millions for, for example, a private jet, you can afford to buy the thing in Europe and have it flown home.

It'll devestate the high-end domestic market. Kind of the way the Luxury tax destroyed the ship-building industry in the late '80's - early '90's.

Bad idea.

re: #218 Iron Fist

I don't like it. While they like to say it's fair (everybody does pay the same tax), it ignores the fact that all the wealthy have to do to avoid the tax is make purchases outside of the country. If you can afford millions for, for example, a private jet, you can afford to buy the thing in Europe and have it flown home.

It'll devestate the high-end domestic market. Kind of the way the Luxury tax destroyed the ship-building industry in the late '80's - early '90's.

Bad idea.

Europe is a bad example where countries have the VAT. Here in Germany it runs 19% on all discretionary purchases.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

/On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury

Was he awarded some sort of prize?

re: #219 imploder

Europe is a bad example where countries have the VAT. Here in Germany it runs 19% on all discretionary purchases.

If your not a citizen of that country can't you often get a vat exemption?

re: #214 Killian Bundy

I guess dead is an injury. Well Kennedy should be a convicted felon. I'd say killing a girl is worse than anything Stevens has done.

re: #220 debutaunt

Was he awarded some sort of prize?

Didn't he get a Volkswagon that floated?

re: #220 debutaunt

Was he awarded some sort of prize?

Express lane to Karma Central.

re: #212 Sunlight
"...the Arab students shouted anti-Semitic curses and epithets throughout the incident, calling the Jews “Nazis” and “dogs,” and threatening to kill them...."

I must commend Berkeley's History department on teaching the students about the awful Jewish Nazi's.

Steelers score in the bottom of the 5th to make it SD 7 -5?

re: #221 Nevergiveup

If your not a citizen of that country can't you often get a vat exemption?

Yes, under certain circumstances. But the government loves their revenue very, very much, so sometimes it isn't easy. As a command sponsored military family we can get an exemption on purchases up to Euro 2500, but not without doing the paperwork correctly.

re: #207 ciaospirit

It's a terrible idea....
Unspinning the FairTax

The "fair tax" is essentially a work of fiction.

re: #212 Sunlight

I googled this, but it isn't on a single U.S. MSM news site that I could find. Thank you, Israel, for letting U.S. Jews know what's going on in our own country. We wouldn't know a thing from our own organizations, since it seems not to meet the narrative criteria:
Arab Students at UC Berkeley Disrupt Israel Event, Attack Jews

The anti-Jewish group plans to take action. In this ass backwards society, they'll probably succeed. From your link:

Meanwhile, the anti-Israel group is planning to file a petition to remove from office Moghtader, who tried to break up the fight.

re: #220 debutaunt

yes, some crooked son of a bitch gave him a valid drivers license (he had no license the night of the accident).

re: #197 Wookieelips

Lizards, prayers please for the families of the two Kiowa pilots killed yesterday.
It was an accident

One of them was a friend of mine and my husbands'. He was a great person, so warm and funny.

Athiest Lizards, sending out good vibes would be appreciated too.

My deepest sympathy for this loss. They will be remembered and honored for as long as free people walk the Earth, and may that be forever.

FWIW, I flew earlier versions of the Kiowa (OH-58). It is a good and safe machine but flying in a combat zone is very dangerous even without enemy action. This is one of the many risks our young people take everyday on our behalf.

re: #222 Iron Fist

I guess dead is an injury. Well Kennedy should be a convicted felon. I'd say killing a girl is worse than anything Stevens has done.

Stevens needs to go anyways.

/he's the poster child for what's wrong with the Republican party, the largest and meanest hog at the earmark trough

re: #227 imploder

Yes, under certain circumstances. But the government loves their revenue very, very much, so sometimes it isn't easy. As a command sponsored military family we can get an exemption on purchases up to Euro 2500, but not without doing the paperwork correctly.

Well if you didn't want to do tons of paper work, why would you have joined the Military?

re: #218 Iron Fist

I don't like it. While they like to say it's fair (everybody does pay the same tax), it ignores the fact that all the wealthy have to do to avoid the tax is make purchases outside of the country. If you can afford millions for, for example, a private jet, you can afford to buy the thing in Europe and have it flown home.

It'll devestate the high-end domestic market. Kind of the way the Luxury tax destroyed the ship-building industry in the late '80's - early '90's.

Bad idea.

Yes, but didn't it feel good to "soak the rich"? As usual, the old "unintended consequences" came back to bite the Dems right in the ass. It hurt the people they claim to represent the most.....not their intended target. If they go ahead with the higher taxes and increase in capital gains like they promised, they will end up hurting the middle class and poor more than "the rich". How many jobs do homeless people create? How many jobs do wage earners create? It is small, medium and large business that do that....and those are the groups who they want to "punish"....Go ahead Obama and The DemCongress...screw your own base.

re: #198 monkeytime

[Link: www.workforce.com...]

Whoa!
That's the most awful thing I've seen.
That's not just bad, it's terrible.
I can't believe this would ever go over with folks.

re: #188 Iron Fist

Vote for the crook! It's important!

Weren't they saying that in Louisiana when David Duke was running?

re: #219 imploder

With high-dollar ships I believe that Liberia was real popular for registration. Panama, too. While some European countries may be bad examples, it is possible that some would change their laws to attract American dollars. Certainly, some nation would step up to the plate and fill the void in that market.

re: #214 Killian Bundy

/On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury

Causing injury? WTH.

re: #233 Nevergiveup

Well if you didn't want to do tons of paper work, why would you have joined the Military?

Hey, don't point at me, I'm retired! It's my wife's fault!

Here's a great article from the Financial Times about the financial crisis in Iceland (note: requires free registration - just your email address). Check out one of their many problems:

Iceland is the only country in the world that indexes its loans in addition to charging interest. This means that when Icelanders borrow IKr1,000 from the bank and inflation increases by 5 per cent, the bank increases their debt to IKr1,050 at the end of the year. A great deal for the bank and fine for you, too – so long as the property’s value and your salary are increasing by inflation and more. The majority of Icelandic mortgages are based on this punitive system and with inflation running at nearly 20 per cent, they will see their IKr1,000 loan turn into a IKr1,200 loan. The interest burden will increase proportionally. This is bad enough, but when coupled with falling house prices, it means that many face a particularly savage variety of negative equity. The impact on highly geared borrowers, which in practice means most Icelanders, would be hard enough even with two incomes, but with unemployment set to soar, many households are going to go under.

re: #215 Desert Dog

The Democrats entire existence is based on Utopian and make-believe policies. For them, pretending that something is something it is not is not a hard reach for them. All of their major tenets are total BS......

Not surprising that so many Hollywood types are big libs. They do make-believe and pretend for a living.......

re: #238 ciaospirit

Causing injury? WTH.

/he's a Kennedy, 'nuff said

re: #234 Desert Dog

In the early '90's I worked as a welder on a boiler shut-down at a papermill in Virginia. There were a lot of former ship-builders working the same job, at far less than they had been making building ships. From what I've seen, soaking the rich means fucking the Middle Class.

The rich can afford to take their money elsewhere.

In the meantime, Free Republic and several other conservative sites are crawling with Nirth Certifikat wonks, wasting time and bringing gales of laughter from the media-left.

Oh, well, it might help in a way to keep the lefties thinking that we are all kooks and tin-foilers, but this kind of disinformation can be taken too far.

Israeli scientists: Blood vessel regeneration could be alternative to bypass (Haaretz)

Palestinian scientist extend range of katusya rockets in order to kill more innocents?

re: #236 Zombie_Killian

That's where I got the phrase. Big tent or no, we don't need the likes of David Duke in the Party.

re: #207 ciaospirit

Anybody have pros or cons about the fair tax?

Yes, I think the Fair Tax is very bad idea, and perhaps the definitive critique of this nefarious scheme is this article from The Wall Street Journal.

re: #243 Iron Fist

Exactly, but that seems lost on the Dummiecrats. It's the same with taxes. If you raise them, people hide the money, find the loopholes and revenue to the government usually goes down. But, if you lower them, revenues usually increase....but, I guess that is not "FAIR", so they have no interest in that.

re: #240 gregg

No worries,

They'll just apply for financial relief from our govt, who will redistribute the money from those who produce.

re: #232 Killian Bundy

You'll get no arguement here. I wish there were a way to force him to step aside. At the same time, we do need a Republican in his seat. Obama is going to be bad no matter what, but if we can't even filibuster then the Country is well and truly fucked.

re: #207 ciaospirit

Anybody have pros or cons about the fair tax?

Anything with the word "fair" is immediately suspicious. (see also "FAIRness Doctrine")

re: #251 Max Darkside

Just like 'justice' (see 'social justice' or 'economic justice').

re: #252 Zombie_Killian

Just like 'justice' (see 'social justice' or 'economic justice').

Or combat, like combat support group. If it says combat, it usually isn't.

re: #252 Zombie_Killian

Just like 'justice' (see 'social justice' or 'economic justice').

Just way for something labeled "Fair Justice". Me hed go boom.

re: #252 Zombie_Killian

Just like 'justice' (see 'social justice' or 'economic justice').

Or " no justice, no peace"?

You won't have shrub to kick around anymore after January 20, 2009.

re: #174 poopeehead

Now, now... let's be civil.

You mean, that's not how we're supposed to treat the president? I guess I was dreaming for the last 8 years, cause that's all I heard

I think I'm going senile... PIMF "way" = "wait".

re: #248 Desert Dog

I used to think that the Democrats meant well, and were just mistaken in their world view. But their means and goals are so consistently bad for the country and the people that I really have to wonder. If they were just fuck-ups, they'd occasionally get something right.

Jimmy Carter is the prime example of this. I used to think he was dumb, but all of his acts make sense if you simply assume he is an anti-American anti-Semite.

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

"Ballot"

heh