hello, goodnight

May every tyrant meet an early and thorough demise...

Oooh! Tyrants!

Apparently, Mount Everest has an enormous "waste" problem. Who knew?

I gave Safari a try over Firefox.

Sometimes it worked well.

Sometimes it would not.

I had a terrible time tonight and earlier today with Safari hanging like a stopped clock.

Firefox is working fine.

I don't know enough about this stuff to know why one would work better than the other, I only know what I see.

re: #5 Syrah

I had trouble with Firefox 3 until I downloaded their latest update. Now, it works fine. *crosses fingers*

One last posting of this, for overnight thread-ers:

Victory in Iraq Day
November 22, 2008

We won. The Iraq War is over.

I declare November 22, 2008 to be "Victory in Iraq Day." (Hereafter known as "VI Day.")

By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic goverment, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.

What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An annoucement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.

The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:

WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ

...etc.

Post it on your blog (or to your email list, or to Digg) if you are so inclined!

If you want a nice, relaxing TV show to watch, I recommend NASA TV. The plot is kind of slow, but the camerawork is amazing.

The division among Republicans comes down to Barry Goldwater Republicans vs Rick Santorum Republicans. Here is an article Instapundit linked to a few years ago.
A Frothy Mixture of Collectivism and Conservatism

On a tangential note. The traditional left/right political measuring stick sucks. It shouldn't be about about Stalin versus Hitler, but Stalin and Hitler versus Ayn Rand.

Tony.

At last, a fresh thread. Though I think that ideas will continue to be hashed, and rehashed on the other thread. More people need to be involved with their political system I think. It's the only way to keep the tyrants from coming into power.

Sic semper tyrannis.

Marcus Junius Brutus

re: #7 zombie

One last posting of this, for overnight thread-ers:

Victory in Iraq Day
November 22, 2008

...etc.

Post it on your blog (or to your email list, or to Digg) if you are so inclined!

That's a damned fine idea! Will do!

re: #10 BlueCanuck

At last, a fresh thread. Though I think that ideas will continue to be hashed, and rehashed on the other thread. More people need to be involved with their political system I think. It's the only way to keep the tyrants from coming into power.

Don't look at me- I've been begging people to get involved.

re: #5 Syrah

Both work fine for me, but I notice that Safari is slightly faster. Maybe it's because it's native to OSX, I don't know. I sometimes get the "spinning beachball of doom" too, but I get that with every browser on occasion. Mostly it's caused by sites with weird embedded videos in obscure formats.

That's the Web for ya -- still a minefield.

re: #13 Sharmuta

Don't look at me- I've been begging people to get involved.

Quite seriously, why don't you go into politics? It seems to be your all-consuming passion and you're well informed....

re: #13 Sharmuta

Don't look at me- I've been begging people to get involved.

I know, I am talking about every one else. You should be serving as an inspiration to the rest of the lizards.

Sharm in 2012. ;)

re: #4 Wyatt Earp

Apparently, Mount Everest has an enormous "waste" problem. Who knew?

Yeah, I've read quite a lot about it in my internet studies of Everest summit tries since I read Jon Krakauer's "Into Thin Air". Particularly the last camp, from which the climbers attempt the summit.

Empty oxygen bottles, old tents....even dead bodies. Once you get to that level, it's every man for himself. Literally.

re: #15 Moe Katz

Quite seriously, why don't you go into politics? It seems to be your all-consuming passion and you're well informed....

Probably because she doesn't want MSM toads scouring her garbage and interviewing people who thought she was a "meany" in elementary school.

re: #1 Adrenalyn

hello, goodnight

"Hello, I must be going"
-Groucho Marx

re: #17 Intrepid

The article I cited in the post mentioned recovered remains. Damn.

re: #18 Wyatt Earp

Probably because she doesn't want MSM toads scouring her garbage and interviewing people who thought she was a "meany" in elementary school.

Hey, that goes with the territory. A small price to pay for those who have the calling....

re: #15 Moe Katz

Quite seriously, why don't you go into politics? It seems to be your all-consuming passion and you're well informed....

Because I have no interest in representing people who will later come to sneer at my sense of integrity.

re: #7 zombie

One last posting of this, for overnight thread-ers:

Victory in Iraq Day
November 22, 2008

...etc.

Post it on your blog (or to your email list, or to Digg) if you are so inclined!

Done, and appreciate being listed on your log. ;-)>

re: #22 Sharmuta

Because I have no interest in representing people who will later come to sneer at my sense of integrity.

Am I supposed to take that personally?

re: #24 Moe Katz

Am I supposed to take that personally?

Not at all.

re: #9 Fierce Guppy

The division among Republicans comes down to Barry Goldwater Republicans vs Rick Santorum Republicans. Here is an article Instapundit linked to a few years ago.
A Frothy Mixture of Collectivism and Conservatism

On a tangential note. The traditional left/right political measuring stick sucks. It shouldn't be about about Stalin versus Hitler, but Stalin and Hitler versus Ayn Rand.

Tony.

I SO agree with you!

My next big project might very well be to post an essay on this very topic. I have been planning it for a year, but never had the time. Now that the election is over and everyone is wasting time with finger-pointing blame-gamery, I'll use the lull in substantive news to produce a new "political measuring stick" as you put it.

Build a new bandwagon, see who climbs on board.

re: #25 Sharmuta

Not at all.

Okay. But really, it's sometimes thankless, but you can do some good. I thought about politics myself in my college years.

re: #27 Moe Katz

Okay. But really, it's sometimes thankless, but you can do some good. I thought about politics myself in my college years.

I would have, but I was afraid someone would unearth those photos of me hugging Michael Dukakis. :)

re: #27 Moe Katz

I seriously doubt I'm electable. I'm a girl after all.

re: #28 Wyatt Earp

I would have, but I was afraid someone would unearth those photos of me hugging Michael Dukakis. :)

The American public is good-hearted and forgiving.

re: #29 Sharmuta

I seriously doubt I'm electable. I'm a girl after all.

True. An African American might be electable, but a Smurf would have problems in Middle America.

Zombie, please keep me in your loop as you develop that measuring stick...

I'd feel honored to help chew on THAT bone, prior to publishing!

re: #30 Moe Katz

The American public is good-hearted and forgiving.

Obviously. You can have domestic terrorist friends and still get a pass from the American electorate.

Watching Space Shuttle from the International Space Station. :D We're over the Atlantic - I think.

re: #20 Wyatt Earp

The article I cited in the post mentioned recovered remains. Damn.

Lots of folks who didn't make it, but fellow climbers couldn't help them because they'd be lost too. It's the nature of climbing at that level.

Here's Krakauer's article in Outside magazine, back in 1996. It's very revealing about the Everest summit trade.

Here it it

re: #9 Fierce Guppy

The division among Republicans comes down to Barry Goldwater Republicans vs Rick Santorum Republicans. Here is an article Instapundit linked to a few years ago.
A Frothy Mixture of Collectivism and Conservatism

On a tangential note. The traditional left/right political measuring stick sucks. It shouldn't be about about Stalin versus Hitler, but Stalin and Hitler versus Ayn Rand.

Tony.

How about Jesus Christ versus Stalin and Hitler? On religious issues?

re: #32 Karridine

Zombie, please keep me in your loop as you develop that measuring stick...

I'd feel honored to help chew on THAT bone, prior to publishing!

Will do! If I ever get around to putting it all together, I'll be needing a LOT of feedback!

re: #33 Sharmuta

Obviously. You can have domestic terrorist friends and still get a pass from the American electorate.

Do you think the public would have been so forgiving if the media had done their job, however?

re: #35 Intrepid

Thanks! I'll check it out.

re: #26 zombie

I SO agree with you!

My next big project might very well be to post an essay on this very topic. I have been planning it for a year, but never had the time. Now that the election is over and everyone is wasting time with finger-pointing blame-gamery, I'll use the lull in substantive news to produce a new "political measuring stick" as you put it.

Build a new bandwagon, see who climbs on board.

All a person can do is understand what their own political philosophies are regarding social and fiscal doctrines and go with the party or candidate that best reflects their views.

But, no one will ever find a candidate that will reflect 100% of their views or possibly even a majority in the case of this latest election. What are you willing to compromise or concede in favor of the greater good?

As a Conservative, it falls by default to the Republican party, but the last few candidates have taken quite a bit of compromising to endorse and vote for them. But the alternative? A far worse compromise.

re: #4 Wyatt Earp

Apparently, Mount Everest has an enormous "waste" problem. Who knew?

Since the 1950s all that cooking and dumping (including fecal matter) did not vanish in thin air.
Its really cold up there most of the year so organic matter does not break down quite as quickly as it does in the tropics.

So 50 pluss years of refuse... and wallah.

re: #31 Moe Katz

True. An African American might be electable, but a Smurf would have problems in Middle America.

They're a bunch of Blue-ists! Heh.

re: #30 Moe Katz

The American public is good-hearted and forgiving.

Yeah. But we are talking Mike Dukakis. here! How forgiving you looking for? lol

re: #39 Wyatt Earp

Thanks! I'll check it out.

It's also a book and a movie. But the book is better.

re: #29 Sharmuta

I seriously doubt I'm electable. I'm a girl after all.

Well Sarah Palin is a girl too.

re: #43 Outrider

Yeah. But we are talking Mike Dukakis. here! How forgiving you looking for? lol

Yeah, that would be stretching it.

re: #29 Sharmuta

I seriously doubt I'm electable. I'm a girl after all.

Someone has to be the first.

re: #45 shanec99

Well Sarah Palin is a girl too.

As is Geraldine Ferraro, which is Sharmuta's point.

re: #48 gmsc

As is Geraldine Ferraro, which is Sharmuta's point.

That gender hurt those candidates? Not so sure.

re: #33 Sharmuta

Obviously. You can have domestic terrorist friends and still get a pass from the American electorate.

B....But the domestic terrorist himself says that those ties are 'a myth'!

/covering for 0bama's 2012 run, most likely.

re: #31 Moe Katz

True. An African American might be electable, but a Smurf would have problems in Middle America.

On the other hand, since blue states go for red candidates, maybe red states would go for a blue one!

Sharm for Pres!

Making Blue cool again.

(The Dems can have yellow.)

re: #48 gmsc

As is Geraldine Ferraro, which is Sharmuta's point.

Obama's candidacy had potency on a kind of mythic level, redeeming a racially divided country and all that. Very hard to run against that.

re: #49 Moe Katz

That gender hurt those candidates? Not so sure.

Not that it hurt them, but rather that we haven't even had a female president or vice-president.

re: #48 gmsc

As is Geraldine Ferraro, which is Sharmuta's point.

Sharm needs clarifiers now? Let her speak as to what her point is, if you don't mind.

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

B....But the domestic terrorist himself says that those ties are 'a myth'!

/covering for 0bama's 2012 run, most likely.

....and if you can't trust a domestic terrorist, who can you trust?

re: #48 gmsc
Gerrie Ferraro was a Congress woman from NY
Sarah Palin is a sitting Gov.

Both were electable and were elected.

re: #55 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sharm needs clarifiers now? Let her speak as to what her point is, if you don't mind.

Clarifiers are now called "Press Secretaries". ;)

re: #54 gmsc

Not that it hurt them, but rather that we haven't even had a female president or vice-president.

I was only thinking that Sharm ought to try something more modest, like municipal government, school board, that kind of thing. Women seem to do very well at that level anyway.

re: #58 Sharmuta

Clarifiers are now called "Press Secretaries". ;)

Hello? Did someone call?

re: #58 Sharmuta

Clarifiers are now called "Press Secretaries". ;)

In just 2 days, I've gone from making Sharmuta sob to being appointed her press secretary!

Impressive, no?
;)

re: #58 Sharmuta

Clarifiers are now called "Press Secretaries". ;)

Ooops! ;)

Rather’s Lawsuit Shows Role of G.O.P. in Inquiry

So far, Mr. Rather has spent more than $2 million of his own money on the suit. And according to documents filed recently in court, he may be getting something for his money.

Using tools unavailable to him as a reporter — including the power of subpoena and the threat of punishment against witnesses who lie under oath — he has unearthed evidence that would seem to support his assertion that CBS intended its investigation, at least in part, to quell Republican criticism of the network.

Among the materials that money has shaken free for Mr. Rather are internal CBS memorandums turned over to his lawyers, showing that network executives used Republican operatives to vet the names of potential members of a panel that had been billed as independent and charged with investigating the “60 Minutes” segment.

Mr. Rather attracted the ire of Republican bloggers and talk radio in particular after the segment, which was broadcast on a weekday edition of “60 Minutes” in September 2004. It purported to have unearthed evidence about favorable treatment extended to President Bush during his Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard.

The network eventually responded to its critics by saying it could no longer vouch for the authenticity of the documents on which the report had been based. The network also commissioned an investigation led by Dick Thornburgh, a prominent Republican and former United States attorney general, and Louis D. Boccardi, a former chief executive of The Associated Press, not so much to verify the documents, but to determine how the segment got on the air.

/poor, poor Gunga Dan

re: #38 Moe Katz

Do you think the public would have been so forgiving if the media had done their job, however?

I don't think they were forgiving - I think they did not and do not know about the underlying issues, either about the Weather Underground or the underlying agenda that has been carried out in Chicago and in the schools. Even had it been known by all that Obama and Ayers were friends and cohorts - it would not have made much difference. I remember the Weather Underground, and some people my age or older would remember them, but few know about the underlying Marxist agenda or the gifting of millions to orgs with a Marxist agenda, hidden in "organizer" clothing.

At the root it is simply too complex for someone who just reads the headlines to absorb.

Then put it against the simplicity of Obama's message - Hope - Change - 95 percent get a tax cut - hope - change - - - repeat as needed.

If we could have pushed Acorn and connected it in the public's mind to Obama, that might have made a difference. It impacted pocketbooks, and people do have Acorn firmly in their heads now as a culprit. That's why Obama's people fully expurgated the old Web sites that mentioned him in conjunction with Acorn.

re: #59 Moe Katz

I was only thinking that Sharm ought to try something more modest, like municipal government, school board, that kind of thing. Women seem to do very well at that level anyway.

A woman with the right message can do anything in politics that a man can do. Ever listen to Margaret Tatcher? Ever listen to Jean Kirkpatrick?

re: #59 Moe Katz

You have to start somewhere.
Hey! Community organizing!
Then we can find some rich dude to send her to Harvard law school!

Evening folks. Just saw the new Bond flick. It blew.

re: #43 Outrider

Yeah. But we are talking Mike Dukakis. here! How forgiving you looking for? lol

Was he hugging back? :-P

re: #61 gmsc

In just 2 days, I've gone from making Sharmuta sob to being appointed her press secretary!

Impressive, no?
;)

Sorry, that's my job now. Everyday, all day it's BLUE. If you can't go blue, then you're a foo...l.

heh

Look- my point was I'm a girl. We're not electable at certain levels.

We've been so busy yelling about so-cons and fisc-cons, we haven't even really discussed the politics of misogyny that was so rampant (and we're still seeing with the Palin backstabbing) from this election. It was quite disturbing to me, and something I'm not willing to put myself through. And I have no problem saying this. After the misogyny we saw this year, I don't know what woman in her right mind would want to put herself through it.

re: #64 Catttt

I don't think they were forgiving - I think they did not and do not know about the underlying issues, either about the Weather Underground or the underlying agenda that has been carried out in Chicago and in the schools. Even had it been known by all that Obama and Ayers were friends and cohorts - it would not have made much difference. I remember the Weather Underground, and some people my age or older would remember them, but few know about the underlying Marxist agenda or the gifting of millions to orgs with a Marxist agenda, hidden in "organizer" clothing.

At the root it is simply too complex for someone who just reads the headlines to absorb.

Then put it against the simplicity of Obama's message - Hope - Change - 95 percent get a tax cut - hope - change - - - repeat as needed.

If we could have pushed Acorn and connected it in the public's mind to Obama, that might have made a difference. It impacted pocketbooks, and people do have Acorn firmly in their heads now as a culprit. That's why Obama's people fully expurgated the old Web sites that mentioned him in conjunction with Acorn.

I concur. It had a certain horrifying inevitability to it, for the reasons you state.

re: #66 wolfie

You have to start somewhere.
Hey! Community organizing!
Then we can find some rich dude to send her to Harvard law school!

LOL!

The Death of Civil Discourse

"Hey, here's a brilliant idea. Let's Boycott Sundance! Because it's in the state of Utah, LDS headquarters are in Utah, so it will affect those EVIL Mormons!"

Meanwhile, a lot of Utah Mormons are thinking "they're boycotting Sundance? Sweet! Maybe Robert Redford will take it somewhere else from now on." And a lot of Liberal Utah Non-Mormons are thinking "But, Sundance doesn't even affect the Mormons! Why are they boycotting one of the best things Utah had going for it?"

re: #67 Lizard by the Bay

Evening folks. Just saw the new Bond flick. It blew.

That means it was bad, right?

Why do men say things blow (or suck) when they like what the term "blow" (or suck) represents?

Never understood that.

re: #65 shanec99

A woman with the right message can do anything in politics that a man can do. Ever listen to Margaret Tatcher? Ever listen to Jean Kirkpatrick?

Sure. But Sharm is a mature adult who hasn't held office before, so it seems to me the municipal level would be the place to start.

re: #68 Erica Marceau

Was he hugging back? :-P

He was in a tank. Does that count for warm and fuzzy?

re: #73 gmsc

The Death of Civil Discourse

I hope they boycott the gay pride parade in large cities with huge Latino and African American populations too. It wouldn't hurt my feelings.

re: #74 Catttt

That means it was bad, right?

Why do men say things blow (or suck) when they like what the term "blow" (or suck) represents?

Never understood that.

My Electrolux vacuum really sucks.

re: #4 Wyatt Earp

Apparently, Mount Everest has an enormous "waste" problem. Who knew?

Today's "waste problem" is the 24th Century's archaeological curiosity.

OK, I'm up to ten brave bloggers who have already linked to Victory in Iraq Day. Not bad. A good start. I'll call it a night with the comforting knowledge that a spark has been ignited, at least.

Here is the official list of blogs that have so far agreed to mark VI Day on November 22, 2008:

Ed Driscoll
Blogs for Victory
Oh No, Another Conservative Blog
I Call BS!
Macker's World
Army Wife: Rants from Ft. Livingroom
Noblesse Oblige
Psycmeister's Ice Palace!
zomblog
Erica Marceau

re: #70 Sharmuta

Look- my point was I'm a girl. We're not electable at certain levels.

We've been so busy yelling about so-cons and fisc-cons, we haven't even really discussed the politics of misogyny that was so rampant (and we're still seeing with the Palin backstabbing) from this election. It was quite disturbing to me, and something I'm not willing to put myself through. And I have no problem saying this. After the misogyny we saw this year, I don't know what woman in her right mind would want to put herself through it.

You still have my vote.

You guys are sweet- really. But maybe it's only the ladies who will understand me and feel my pain when I say I'm not electable- I'm a girl.

re: #70 Sharmuta

Look- my point was I'm a girl. We're not electable at certain levels.

We've been so busy yelling about so-cons and fisc-cons, we haven't even really discussed the politics of misogyny that was so rampant (and we're still seeing with the Palin backstabbing) from this election. It was quite disturbing to me, and something I'm not willing to put myself through. And I have no problem saying this. After the misogyny we saw this year, I don't know what woman in her right mind would want to put herself through it.

We had an African-American on one ticket. We had a female on the other ticket. Then we had a third ticket that had both! Cynthia McKinney (apohn)

re: #75 Moe Katz

Yes you must start somewhere unless you were a movie star like Arnold or an athlete like Watts where you can get into congressional or gubernatorial races.

Sharmuta is right. There was rampant sexism in both the Dem primaries (against Senator Clinton) and in the Dem/Republican contest (against Palin).

Most women noticed it - trust me on this. Since it occurred in both parties, to the only two women seeking the higher offices, it was obviously not partisan - it was sexism, pure (or not) and simple. It was used as a weapon, ready to hand, well-used, comfortable to many, having been wielded often in other battles.

John Lennon was right. I can't repeat the song title, as it uses the n word, but he was right.

re: #84 shanec99

Yes you must start somewhere unless you were a movie star like Arnold or an athlete like Watts where you can get into congressional or gubernatorial races.

True. Arnold immediately came to mind as an exception to what I'd said, though here I think the exception proves the rule.

re: #85 Catttt

Yes, he was right. He was right.

re: #79 Colonel Panik

Today's "waste problem" is the 24th Century's archaeological curiosity.

I've always wondered the future archaeologists who dig up Las Vegas are going to think: "I've found an ancient castle, let's dig more! . . . Hey, next to it is a . . . glass pyramid?!? . . . and on the other side is a scale model of a 20th century city?!? WTF?!?"

re: #85 Catttt

I had really though sexism was less rampant in today's society. This election has been a disturbing eye-opener.

re: #78 Moe Katz

My Electrolux vacuum really sucks.

Mine doesn't suck. I want a Dyson Cyclone bagless.

All this fighting amongst republicans is just stupid beyond belief and plays right into the democrats' hands. Do the non-religious right repubs think they can possibly win a national election without the religious right? If so, they're in denial. And the same goes vice versa. Are republicans really that stupid?

Political parties are always a compromise. We better get our act together pronto, quit sniping at each other and put together a platform that reasonable people can agree on and that welcomes independents and Reagan dems.

Otherwise, republicans can say bye-bye for at least a generation because the dems will soon have so many parasites voting for them that it'll be too little too late.

re: #85 Catttt

Sharmuta is right. There was rampant sexism in both the Dem primaries (against Senator Clinton) and in the Dem/Republican contest (against Palin).

Most women noticed it - trust me on this. Since it occurred in both parties, to the only two women seeking the higher offices, it was obviously not partisan - it was sexism, pure (or not) and simple. It was used as a weapon, ready to hand, well-used, comfortable to many, having been wielded often in other battles.

John Lennon was right. I can't repeat the song title, as it uses the n word, but he was right.

There was. Strangely enough it really shocked me to see that much blatant sexism in the Democrat camp. I had thought they would be supportive until I saw how Hillary was treated. Every Republican I know supported Palin, But I think the elitism clique in the Republican party bashed her, not the sexism. he old Rockefellar and W.F.Buckley crowd. Just an opinion.

re: #90 Catttt

Mine doesn't suck. I want a Dyson Cyclone bagless.

I confess I had to Google that. Do you know anyone that has one?

re: #92 Outrider

Uh- Buckley was a Goldwater guy.

hello every one... good night every one

_____Assuming the Position (An Equity Stake in Failure)____

"Congress abdicated its constitutional responsibility by signing a truly blank check over to the Treasury Secretary"

Meanwhile, it looks like the future Executive has no clue about economics:

President-elect Barack Obama said the government needs to provide help to U.S. automakers on condition that management, labor and lenders come up with a plan to make the industry ``sustainable.''

Wrong. The government doesn't need to do anything, besides lower taxes for both private citizens and corporations, across all tax brackets, reduce the size of government, and repudiate and repeal the New Deal (FDR's New Deal); otherwise the financial chaos will only get worse.

``For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment -- not just for individual families but the repercussions across the economy would be dire,'' Obama said in an interview broadcast this evening on CBS News's ``60 Minutes.''

Wrong. One thing we know for certain is that the current management of the auto industry is incompetent. why are we giving the incompetents more money and another chance?

Do you somehow think they will change?

Chrysler already got their massive government sponsored bail out in the later half of the 20th century, those fools already had their chance, and now they're back in the corporate welfare line.

60 Minutes is a show for scaring old people, have some decency to go to a real media outlet, not a media outhouse.

Government aid could come in the form of a ``bridge loan,'' he suggested.

If 62 million Democrats want to bail out the Detroit auto companies, let them do it out of their own pockets.

Heck, they can tap their little world-wide campaign donor friends, right?

Under normal circumstances, Obama said, allowing General Motors Corp. to enter bankruptcy, undergo a restructuring and then emerge as ``a viable operation'' might have been a preferred route. If that were to happen now, he said, ``you could see the spigot completely shut off so that it would not potentially permit GM to get back on its feet.''

Normal circumstances? Preferred route? Spigot? Wow, it sounds like somebody really has an commanding in-depth knowledge about economics.

Out with the Commander-in-Chief, in with the Commander-in-Competence!

The hour-long interview with Obama and his wife, Michelle, was taped on Nov. 14 in Chicago, where he is working to build his government team before his Jan. 20 inauguration.

Let's see if 62 million Democrats put their money where their mouth is, and each donate the monetary gain from one hour of their labor to their beloved Detroit auto industry.

The president- elect discussed the economy, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and energy.

Discussing the economy with anyone besides a class of 3rd graders, and he'd be out of his depth. I do not mean to demean 3rd graders (please don't throw cupcakes at me).

He and his wife also talked about the changes in their lives after he defeated Republican John McCain in the Nov. 4 presidential election.

That must be the change for which we've all been waiting.

The government will do ``whatever it takes'' to revive the economy, Obama said.

Lower taxes (private and corporate) massively across all income brackets, reduce the size of government, and eliminate the benefits of dirty welfare bums? Sweet! Long live Obama!

(end part 1)

re: #94 Sharmuta

goldwater = AuO2

zombie,

Great idea, and you're the perfect perso...zombie...to put VI Day in motion.
;)

re: #74 Catttt

That means it was bad, right?

Unfortunately. And I loved Casino Royale so much. I really hoped this would be a continuation of that feel. It had just the right balance of action, romance, intrigue, and humor. It knew when to have action and when to have exposition.

The new film is none of that. A lot of mindless action for the first-half with hardly a thread of story to tie it together. Then, too little too late, the film starts trying to have a story about some poor peasants being denied their water. Except that Bond doesn't seem to give a crap. So we don't give a crap, and at the end (if you can even call it that), this plot point is paid only lip service.

And most surprisingly, for being the shortest Bond film ever, it feels like one of the longest. Casino Royale is the exact opposite experience.

Why do men say things blow (or suck) when they like what the term "blow" (or suck) represents?

Never understood that.

.

Can't help you there.

re: #97 winston06

Sorry

My chemistry sucks. I meant AuH2O

re: #90 Catttt

Mine doesn't suck. I want a Dyson Cyclone bagless.

Dysons rock! I got a gray cat that even the Electolux wouldn't vacuum up the hairs she left. The purple Dyson takes everything with no problem. If I still sold vacuum cleaners, Dyson is the one I would be selling.

re: #82 Sharmuta

You guys are sweet- really. But maybe it's only the ladies who will understand me and feel my pain when I say I'm not electable- I'm a girl.

Hey, you tell Sarah Palin you're not electable because you're "a girl". I'm thinking she'd Sarah would slap you up one side and down the other.

She's a girl, too!

re: #100 winston06

Sorry

My chemistry sucks. I meant AuH2O

That would make a great bumper sticker!

re: #97 winston06

goldwater = AuO2

Is that ionic or covalent?

re: #103 Sharmuta

That would make a great bumper sticker!

It already was a bumper sticker in 1964!

re: #94 Sharmuta

Uh- Buckley was a Goldwater guy.

ok. My point was apparently not well made.

re: #102 Intrepid

I think Governor and Senator is the highest we're allowed.

re: #105 zombie

I know- that was the joke.

re: #105 zombie

It already was a bumper sticker in 1964!

Check it out! :

Authentic 1964 "AUH2O" button.

re: #104 Moe Katz

Is that ionic or covalent?

We could film the process for you. Once that's done, you can decide for yourself by watching the Bond movie.

re: #93 Moe Katz

I confess I had to Google that. Do you know anyone that has one?

No. It's really expensive, but it has really good reviews by consumer groups and such.

Do you really have a Electrolux?

(part 2)

That means ``we shouldn't worry about the deficit next year or even the year after,''

A growth-promoting economic climate worries about, and reduces, the budget deficit every year, you tool.

Paul Volker only used deep deficit spending in the most absolutely dire of economic circumstances, to successfully combat the plague of inflation -- as the last resort. Those steps are what would again need to occur, if we fail to lower taxes (private and corporate) across all income brackets, fail to reduce the size of government, and fail to spur economic growth by reducing (if not eliminating) the budget deficit, and eliminate the economic crutch known as the New Deal.

When you run a deficit, you are taxing and crippling people and businesses. I realize that nobody taught you about economics, so I will teach you now, right here:

The government has at least three major ways to raise money:

1. Sell bonds, for the tax payers to repay.
2. Increase the money supply (print more money), which taxes savings due to inflation.
3. Boost the efficiency of the non-tax income generating portion of the government.

Hint: #3 does not exist, and #2 devalues the bonds in #1.

To "bail out" one sector of the economy, a sector which is failing, is necessarily to injure the non-failing sectors of the economy, by stealing from them. There is no other way.

he said, adding that in the short term, ``the most important thing is that we avoid a deepening recession.''

It is clear that you don't know how to avoid a deepening recession.

In excerpts from the same interview that CBS released yesterday, Obama said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson may be disappointed with some aspects of the federal government's $700 billion bailout of the banking industry.

"May be disappointed"? How about, may be federally and locally prosecuted.

Ronald Reagan wasn't the only one who said taxation without representation was tyranny.

``Hank Paulson has worked tirelessly under some very difficult circumstances,'' Obama said.

Tax-payer money launderers do that. If they don't work hard, they get caught, and they go to prison.

``I think Hank would be the first one to acknowledge that probably not everything that's been done has worked the way he had hoped it would work.''

Somebody's on a first-name basis with "Hank", and they can only give us a "May be".

Obama also said the government must do more to help distressed homeowners.

Like lowering taxes across the board for both private citizens and businesses?

``We have not focused on foreclosures and what's happening to homeowners as much as I would like,'' Obama said. He called for setting up ``a negotiation between banks and borrowers so that people can stay in their homes.''

The negotiation between banks and borrowers occurs before the ink on the mortgage contract is dry, here in America.

Under their current proposed plans, if what's left of the Republican congress has any spine, the new administration will probably only be able to pass about 1/3rd of their proposed legislation.

(end part 2)

re: #110 gmsc

We could film the process for you. Once that's done, you can decide for yourself by watching the Bond movie.

LOL!

re: #107 Sharmuta

I think Governor and Senator is the highest we're allowed.

As of yet, Shar, as of yet. But when have we ever seen a viable female candidate in the republican party? Never, not until this past election.

Let's watch what Sarah and see what she does in Alaska, and what she says. She isn't done yet.

re: #107 Sharmuta

I think Governor and Senator is the highest we're allowed.

Don't cry for me, Argentina.

Wow, this is amazing:

Still affixed to the Kansas State Capitol after 45 years:

The last remaining real "AUH2O" bumper sticker in America, still extant where it was originally affixed.

"AuH2O" sticker from 1964 when Berry Goldwater visited Topeka while campaigning for President.

I can't believe it survived all these years!

I saw a "McGovern '72" sticker in Berkeley earlier this year, but this Goldwater sticker takes the prize!

We used to have Kirby vacuums in the house. You can't imagine how heavy a vacuum can be.

re: #111 Catttt

No. It's really expensive, but it has really good reviews by consumer groups and such.

Do you really have a Electrolux?

Yep, quite an old one. I don't know if they really work better than the Sears ones, but they're light and robust.

re: #105 zombie

It already was a bumper sticker in 1964!

The other I seem to remember went something like "Let's Bury Goldwater".

The Internet is an amazing thing, let me tell you!

(part 3)

Given that the Democratic caucus, and their lunatic hoard of voters, will be sorely disappointed in that very probable scenario, with only 1/3rd of their promised "reforms" passing (their voters, as we now witness being sincerely capable of violence; e.g., prop 8 violence), the new administration -- as they will not lose any extra face when they renege on their further plans of State Sponsored Socialism (e.g., the level of their own voter outrage against them will be no worse; they'll already be reveling in their endorphins, happily looting in the streets) -- might as well govern as-if they were pro-business, by lowering taxes for all citizens, corporate and private, significantly reducing the size and cost of government, and repudiating and repealing the New Deal -- they've got nothing to lose and everything to gain!

Then, and only then, can the new administration succeed, and succeed wildly (unlike their ravening voters, who will need therapy that even the Fed can't afford).

By being the anti-FDR, the "Undo-Dealer" (not the New Dealer), Obama could be the greatest U.S. President of all time.

Otherwise, Republicans will take back the Senate in 2010, the White House in 2012, and the name Obama will only be associated with financial ruin.

(end part 3)

re: #114 Intrepid

Woopsie - strike "what" in the first few words of that sentence.

PIMF

re: #36 Crux Australis

Jesus Christ? No, thank you . That dude was way WAY to the left of Ayn Rand. To quote Ayn Rand. "Man-every man- is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself. The pursuit of his own rational self interest and of his own happiness is the highest moral purpose of his life." Jesus was not really a Ayn Rand kinda guy, and I would suggest diametrically opposite in quite a few areas

Tony.

re: #100 winston06

Sorry

My chemistry sucks. I meant AuH2O

There was a little chemist -
But now he is no more
'Cause what he thought was H₂O
Was H₂SO₄.

re: #117 Lizard by the Bay

We used to have Kirby vacuums in the house. You can't imagine how heavy a vacuum can be.

I've hefted a Kirby or two. You're not kidding. But vacuums are important---we conservatives believe cleanliness is next to Godliness. If that isn't a soccon issue, that is.

Why always the french on a Sunday?

Here's the competition:

Gallery of Johnson '64 campaign ephemera.

Not bad. Maybe not as catchy at the Goldwater ones, though.

But damn, that Johnson was an ugly mofo.

re: #114 Intrepid

I have serious doubts the misogyny will cease anytime soon to allow for a female candidate to be taken seriously. It's not the lady- it's the culture.

re: #124 Catttt

There was a little chemist -
But now he is no more
'Cause what he thought was H₂O
Was H₂SO₄.

"I mixed this myself. Two parts H, one part O. I don't trust anybody!"
-Steven Wright

I have a Dyson, which I like. I used to have an Oreck, which I did not. Yes, it was light, but finding bags for it was the pits, and it just didn't suck very well (in the good way). It left all kinds of dirt behind.

Meanwhile, Obambi says he'll do "whatever it takes" to revive the economy.

Well, I think it would help the economy a lot if he resigned from politics.

He doesn't really mean "WHATEVER it takes," though.

He's got a very expensive socialist agenda coming up and he thinks it will help.

You've probably seen this....

Penn and Teller - petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

re: #127 zombie

But damn, that Johnson was an ugly mofo.

Not as ugly as his tactics. Was there ever a more inflammatory campaign ad than "Daisy"?

re: #128 Sharmuta

I have serious doubts the misogyny will cease anytime soon to allow for a female candidate to be taken seriously. It's not the lady- it's the culture.

I don't think so. If the daggoned Army can appoint a woman as a four star General, then the country can elect a female as President.

re: #130 Lizard by the Bay

I have a Dyson, which I like. I used to have an Oreck, which I did not. Yes, it was light, but finding bags for it was the pits, and it just didn't suck very well (in the good way). It left all kinds of dirt behind.

Yeah, I've heard less than good things about Orecks.

Get a Dyson - they SUCK. New ad. :D

re: #132 Catttt

You've probably seen this....

Penn and Teller - petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

The idea has been around quite a while. Have you seen DHMO.org?

re: #130 Lizard by the Bay

I have a Dyson, which I like. I used to have an Oreck, which I did not. Yes, it was light, but finding bags for it was the pits, and it just didn't suck very well (in the good way). It left all kinds of dirt behind.

I believe Dyson makes the best vacuum out right now. Well worth buying.

re: #128 Sharmuta

I have serious doubts the misogyny will cease anytime soon to allow for a female candidate to be taken seriously. It's not the lady- it's the culture.

That's sad but true, I think.

re: #132 Catttt

Loved it. Give anything a long chemical name and moonbats are all for banning it.

re: #99 Lizard by the Bay

.

The new film is none of that. A lot of mindless action for the first-half with hardly a thread of story to tie it together. Then, too little too late, the film starts trying to have a story about some poor peasants being denied their water. Except that Bond doesn't seem to give a crap. So we don't give a crap, and at the end (if you can even call it that), this plot point is paid only lip service.

And most surprisingly, for being the shortest Bond film ever, it feels like one of the longest. Casino Royale is the exact opposite experience.

Because the people making these films haven't the balls to show Bond up against a real contemporary threat to Western Civilization or Her Majesty's Govt., like an Al-Qaeda type Islamist organization with nukes plotting to blow up the Royal Navy yards at Portsmouth and Scapa Flow. That would be insensitive and politically incorrect, don't you know. So the villain has to be some white guy running a corporation who wants to do evil things to the "ecology" and Bolivian peasants.

Bloody hell, who is writing Bond movies these days? Al Gore?

re: #125 Moe Katz

I've hefted a Kirby or two. You're not kidding. But vacuums are important---we conservatives believe cleanliness is next to Godliness. If that isn't a soccon issue, that is.

OMG. Another schism.
Cleancons vs. Messicons. :(

re: #131 Adina in Judea

Meanwhile, Obambi says he'll do "whatever it takes" to revive the economy.

Well, I think it would help the economy a lot if he resigned from politics.

He doesn't really mean "WHATEVER it takes," though.

He's got a very expensive socialist agenda coming up and he thinks it will help.

Get ready for Obama, Inc.
Of course, given his leftist proclivities I suppose it could be red ink.

re: #135 Catttt

Yeah, I've heard less than good things about Orecks.

Get a Dyson - they SUCK. New ad. :D

Now THAT would get you some flack from the religious right.

re: #134 Outrider

Sorry- I just don't see it.

re: #141 wolfie

OMG. Another schism.
Cleancons vs. Messicons. :(

The mind boggles.

re: #143 Moe Katz

Now THAT would get you some flack from the religious right.

Guess the ball would be in their court to explain why their mind was in the proverbial gutter?

re: #130 Lizard by the Bay

I like my Oreck.......except....
What I really want is a vacuum cleaners that won't catch on fire everytime it sucks up a stray sock, Lego piece, or banana peel.

Since we are threading on Vaccum cleaners.......The "O" suck will clean out your pockets faster than an "F-5" Tornado across your basement....

There now I can sleep.....

re: #146 Outrider

Guess the ball would be in their court to explain why their mind was in the proverbial gutter?

Can you imagine being a spokesman for the company whose ad it was and trying to defend that with a straight face?

The misogyny in Election 2008 mostly came from the Democrats and the MSM.

Republicans loved Condi Rice until she started heading down a weird path with Israel. A lot of Republicans were hoping she would run for President someday until her own behavior lessened her support.

Republicans definitely respected Sarah Palin!

Hillary earned the contempt that most Republicans felt for her.

re: #147 wolfie

I like my Oreck.......except....
What I really want is a vacuum cleaners that won't catch on fire everytime it sucks up a stray sock, Lego piece, or banana peel.

Ahhh, the burning smell of an Oreck vacuum belt. I associate it with Christmas time and tinsel on the floor.

re: #143 Moe Katz

Now THAT would get you some flack from the religious right.

I tried to get the home page for my company's website changed to:

OTHER [PRODUCTS] SUCK*

* power, maintenance time, etc.

Unfortunately we got some pushback from our distributors in some parts of the USA and in some other countries.

re: #136 gmsc

The idea has been around quite a while. Have you seen DHMO.org?

Yeah. I love that site.

I know it's an oldie, but people fall for it every time (except for me, but m daddy was a chemistry teacher - he read chem books at home for fun).

The comments on the thread are funny too - they prove two things:
*a lot of youtube posters are idiots, and
*liberals have no funny bones.

re: #149 Moe Katz

Can you imagine being a spokesman for the company whose ad it was and trying to defend that with a straight face?

Yeah, a dilemma. So you go with a spokesman who never has a straight face. John Cleese. Perfect! ;-)>

While watching the interview with Barack and Michele Obama on "60 Minutes" this evening, I turned to my girlfriend and asked, "Who's in charge there?"
Without pause she replied, "Michele."

I do trust a woman's point of view and intuition..

But then she made me watch "Sex in the City" with her.......Women, who can know them..............

re: #152 stuiec

Unfortunately we got some pushback from our distributors in some parts of the USA and in some other countries.

Yep, I think you'd run into a little hot water with that....

re: #150 Adina in Judea

But the entire tactic of misogyny was allowed by the msm. It's politically "okay" to do it. It's politically okay to question a woman's motherhood, FFS!

Seriously- maybe only the girls will get it, but misogyny in politics is here to stay. A lot of good, female Americans are now never going to enter politics because of this garbage.

re: #150 Adina in Judea

The misogyny in Election 2008 mostly came from the Democrats and the MSM.

Republicans loved Condi Rice until she started heading down a weird path with Israel. A lot of Republicans were hoping she would run for President someday until her own behavior lessened her support.

Republicans definitely respected Sarah Palin!

Hillary earned the contempt that most Republicans felt for her.

What I can't take seriously is Condi's Gravitas Frown. It seems to be etched into her facial muscles.

Baaaaaaaaad ol' butterfly

When I saw feminists ripping Palin for not staying home with her newborn, I knew the left in this country had graduated from tragedy to farce.

re: #156 Moe Katz

Yep, I think you'd run into a little hot water with that....

We also couldn't use a picture of a cute little pig with an apple core in its mouth to illustrate the idea of "greedy" -- the Muslim countries wouldn't accept it. I HATE that shit.

re: #157 Sharmuta

But the entire tactic of misogyny was allowed by the msm. It's politically "okay" to do it. It's politically okay to question a woman's motherhood, FFS!

And mandatory if you're in NOW or NARAL.

re: #159 least

I saw that on t.v. when it first came out. Laughed my ass off for minutes, and couldn't stop giggling for hours.

re: #161 stuiec

We also couldn't use a picture of a cute little pig with an apple core in its mouth to illustrate the idea of "greedy" -- the Muslim countries wouldn't accept it. I HATE that shit.

My idea of a politically incorrect ad was to have a photo of a dozen or so multinational, multiracial looking people, and below them the caption:

"LET THEM ALL GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM"

Then, below that,

"AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR"
-"COOK'S TRAVEL AGENCY"

re: #160 Lizard by the Bay

When I saw feminists ripping Palin for not staying home with her newborn, I knew the left in this country had graduated from tragedy to farce.

Those weren't feminists. Feminists are all about "choice," something they want to deny Sarah Palin. They were/are every bit the Fascist tools that BHO is.

re: #162 victor_yugo

Well God forbid we ask if a man is a good father before we elect him to office!

re: #157 Sharmuta

re: #150 Adina in Judea

But the entire tactic of misogyny was allowed by the msm. It's politically "okay" to do it. It's politically okay to question a woman's motherhood, FFS!

The MSM is admittedly and grotesquely liberal and Democratic.

Seriously- maybe only the girls will get it, but misogyny in politics is here to stay. A lot of good, female Americans are now never going to enter politics because of this garbage.

"Adina" is a Hebrew girl's name (meaning "gentle, delicate, and tender.")

Sarah Palin has shown that a spirited woman can get people to their feet.

She did this all over America.

re: #163 BlueCanuck

I'd never seen it until tonight. Is there a better version available?

Maybe we need to run a different kind of lady.

re: #167 Adina in Judea

Sarah Palin has shown that a spirited woman can get people to their feet.

But not get her in the White House.

I think that a culture that would allow the sort of misogyny we saw this year is not capable of electing a woman to the Presidency.

Saw this cartoon yesterday. I hope it happens.

/would serve them all right.

My Panasonic MC-V7312 literally picks up the carpeting.

/12 amp motor, picks up everything

re: #168 least

First time I have seen it on the net. It's an insurance commercial for home insurance. Saw it previously on t.v. about 6 years ago I think.

I do think a lot of the conservatives didn't have any sexism in their hearts - they loved Gov. Palin and still do.

The Dems were shocking to me - they showed their true colors, imho, in the way the disparaged Senator Clinton.

The MSM didn't shock me, because they are a bunch of deleted word.

The elite were both sexist and classist - they can suck my toes. /obviously still thinking about vacuums)

APOD shows a true optical (infrared) picture of planets orbiting another star, 130 light years away. Taken with Keck 10 meter and another 8 meter (ground-based) scopes. Amazing!

re: #165 victor_yugo

re: #160 Lizard by the Bay

When I saw feminists ripping Palin for not staying home with her newborn, I knew the left in this country had graduated from tragedy to farce.

Those weren't feminists. Feminists are all about "choice," something they want to deny Sarah Palin. They were/are every bit the Fascist tools that BHO is.

Absolutely!

Their demand that Sarah Palin stay home for the rest of her life for daring to bring a Down Syndrome child into the world was also a way for them to promote the idea that a disabled child doesn't deserve to live.

They want to punish women who give birth to disabled children as much as Obama thinks his own daughters would be punished with babies if they got pregnant. They think that if women believe that they will be slaves for the rest of their lives to disabled children, they will believe they have no choice but to kill them in the womb.

Lefties were saying (in September, especially) that Sarah Palin was dangerous because she might convince more mothers to give birth to disabled children (which would be a horrible curse on America, from the lefties' point of view.)

Lefties want able-bodied people to be dependent on the government.

They want disabled people to be kept from being born at all.

re: #157 Sharmuta

But the entire tactic of misogyny was allowed by the msm. It's politically "okay" to do it. It's politically okay to question a woman's motherhood, FFS!

Seriously- maybe only the girls will get it, but misogyny in politics is here to stay. A lot of good, female Americans are now never going to enter politics because of this garbage.

they should go ahead and enter it anyway.

frying pan first......

/Lodge logic %-)

re: #165 victor_yugo

Those weren't feminists. Feminists are all about "choice," something they want to deny Sarah Palin. They were/are every bit the Fascist tools that BHO is.

I don't want to quibble with you over definitions. I called them feminists precisely because these were the women who had been the most widely published and celebrated women identified as feminists for the last few decades. That's why seeing decades worth of progress dashed on the rocks so that an African American man could get his shot first was so shocking. Every member of the left has put the power of the party before even their own ideals. They are not going to like the results. Neither will the rest of us.

re: #166 Sharmuta

Well God forbid we ask if a man is a good father before we elect him to office!

But neither NOW nor NARAL would do so, of a man in any party.

But let a highly capable, obviously pro-life Republican mom run for high office, and out come the claws. After all, she exposes their lies and narcissism, and that cannot be allowed to stand.

re: #82 Sharmuta

You guys are sweet- really. But maybe it's only the ladies who will understand me and feel my pain when I say I'm not electable- I'm a girl.

"You've got to tell them! Soylent Blue is SMURFS!"

Remember the vaccum in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Acme Suck-O-Lux.

:D

re: #170 Sharmuta

re: #167 Adina in Judea

Sarah Palin has shown that a spirited woman can get people to their feet.

But not get her in the White House.

I think that a culture that would allow the sort of misogyny we saw this year is not capable of electing a woman to the Presidency.

The Republicans will be the first ones to elect a woman, not the Democrats.

It's the Democrats (including the Dem MSM) who were misogynists this year.

re: #174 Catttt

I do think a lot of the conservatives didn't have any sexism in their hearts - they loved Gov. Palin and still do.

Catttt- I think feminism and conservatism are ideologically similar. As a conservative, I support individual rights. As a feminist, I believe in a woman's right to self-determination. Very similar, imo. I don't think republicans were turned off by a woman's presence on the ticket, just like we oppose 0bama for his character and policies. I don't think we're the problem on this front.

re: #174 Catttt

The elite were both sexist and classist - they can suck my toes. /obviously still thinking about vacuums)

You seem to be having a toe fetish tonight?

/white smoke
//before I go to far and ask the wrong questions.

Since this is an open thread, I would like to momentarily re-visit the last thread concerning Dr. Paul S. Hsieh and his letter regarding his defection from the Republican party in this election.

I haven't read all 1247 comments on that thread so if this has already been posted please accept my apology. However, of the comments that I did read, a couple of them stood out.

"Fighting Back" stated in post #1:
Ok, Doc. Get ready for Socialized Medicine.
The Commissars will tell you what to prescribe.

And again in post #14:
"Republican, my hat." "Most Docs are looking for Single Payer systems (ie Uncle Sam) so that they don't have to be clever business owners, or worry about competition." "They'd rather work for a paycheck and leave the small business admin to someone "in the clinic." "More help available too, if there's no bottom line to worry about." "And going home at 4:30PM sounds good."

Although there was much in Dr. Hseihs' letter that I disagree with, after doing a bit of research on the good Dr. I found that socialized medicine is the LAST thing he is in favor of along with quite a number of others referenced in this article posted on his webpage.
[Link: www.westandfirm.org...]

Not looking to start a fight with anyone, just pointing out that, aside from his disaffection with Republicans in this election, he seems to be a person who has some grip on reality at least concerning government healthcare.

re: #184 BlueCanuck

You seem to be having a toe fetish tonight?

/white smoke
//before I go to far and ask the wrong questions.

Lol.

You're right - that's my second toe remark. Hmmmm.

re: #117 Lizard by the Bay

We used to have Kirby vacuums in the house. You can't imagine how heavy a vacuum can be.

Now, THAT sucks!

re: #182 Adina in Judea

Well- since it's a issue stemming from the left and msm we should have an easy time overcoming it, huh?

re: #178 Lizard by the Bay

I don't want to quibble with you over definitions. I called them feminists precisely because these were the women who had been the most widely published and celebrated women identified as feminists for the last few decades. That's why seeing decades worth of progress dashed on the rocks so that an African American man could get his shot first was so shocking. Every member of the left has put the power of the party before even their own ideals. They are not going to like the results. Neither will the rest of us.

even though you live in the Bay you are obviously not twisted *enough*....

i may not "like* the results, but i find great (black) humor in them......

re: #183 Sharmuta

Good analysis. And it gives one hope. Lots of conservatives out there who will vote for a good candidate who happens to be a woman.

re: #182 Adina in Judea

The Republicans will be the first ones to elect a woman, not the Democrats.

It's the Democrats (including the Dem MSM) who were misogynists this year.

Do you think Tzippi Livni will be disadvantaged by her gender, running against Bibi?

re: #180 Dustyvet

"You've got to tell them! Soylent Blue is SMURFS!"

I've been trying to tell them, they just don't care! *sob*

re: #186 Catttt

Lol.

You're right - that's my second toe remark. Hmmmm.

just pussy footing around?

/white smoke

re: #191 Moe Katz

Do you think Tzippi Livni will be disadvantaged by her gender, running against Bibi?

Did much hold Golda back?

The Left reserves its most virulent rage for conservative blacks and women. Clarence Thomas. Sarah Palin.

I find it interesting that sexual innuendo was used to ridicule and demonize these two people.

re: #194 Outrider

Did much hold Golda back?

She was an example of the woman who is chosen as a compromise between two other rivals rather than for her own merits IIRC.

re: #191 Moe Katz

re: #182 Adina in Judea

The Republicans will be the first ones to elect a woman, not the Democrats.

It's the Democrats (including the Dem MSM) who were misogynists this year.

Do you think Tzippi Livni will be disadvantaged by her gender, running against Bibi?

Tzipi Livni will lose the election, IMO, but not because of her gender.

She's been the most visible politician (except for Olmert) for several years now, which is helping her. She's been all over the world as the Foreign Minister to talk about Israel. This is helping her.

Kadima's a party going nowhere except to keep trying to decide how to slice up Israel to give to people who want Israel to cease existing. This will hurt her.

Even so, I think the election will be close because of her ongoing visibility.

re: #195 wolfie

The Left reserves its most virulent rage for conservative blacks and women. Clarence Thomas. Sarah Palin.

I find it interesting that sexual innuendo was used to ridicule and demonize these two people.

While accepting outrageous examples of the same behavior from fellow Democrats?

re: #194 Outrider

But that's a different culture! Like bringing up Thatcher is bringing up another culture, where they've historically had women lead them before. It's not a fair comparison to the American electorate.

re: #199 Sharmuta

But that's a different culture! Like bringing up Thatcher is bringing up another culture, where they've historically had women lead them before. It's not a fair comparison to the American electorate.

Noted.

re: #195 wolfie

The Left reserves its most virulent rage for conservative blacks and women. Clarence Thomas. Sarah Palin.

I find it interesting that sexual innuendo was used to ridicule and demonize these two people.

Wow - excellent point!

re: #197 Adina in Judea

Tzipi Livni will lose the election, IMO, but not because of her gender.

She's been the most visible politician (except for Olmert) for several years now, which is helping her. She's been all over the world as the Foreign Minister to talk about Israel. This is helping her.

Kadima's a party going nowhere except to keep trying to decide how to slice up Israel to give to people who want Israel to cease existing. This will hurt her.

Even so, I think the election will be close because of her ongoing visibility.

Interesting analysis, thanks.

re: #198 Outrider

Remember the "I Believe ^JuAnita" bumper stickers?

re: #195 wolfie

The Left reserves its most virulent rage for conservative blacks and women. Clarence Thomas. Sarah Palin.

I find it interesting that sexual innuendo was used to ridicule and demonize these two people.

Yes. And in the case of the conservative women, because the predominant ideology among feminists is collectivist.

re: #203 victor_yugo

Remember the "I Believe ^JuAnita" bumper stickers?

That issue didn't get much ground. Seems he could do no wrong. Go figure.

I just made an interesting discovery. The website of a school I went to no longer has an MSA web page (even though it still exists in the Google cache).

re: #204 Moe Katz

Yes. And in the case of the conservative women, because the predominant ideology among feminists is collectivist.

True- they do like the collective victimology, but individual women have sexist attacks made on them, it's under the bus.

I can hear the foghorns blowing tonight.

Its late.

Goodnight.

re: #204 Moe Katz

Yes. Blacks and women to leftists are merely pawns in the game.

re: #207 Sharmuta

True- they do like the collective victimology, but individual women have sexist attacks made on them, it's under the bus.

Not to mention their complete sellout of the women of Islam and other authoritarian patriarchies in favor with the left....

Time to pull pitch. Night all

re: #205 Outrider

Not once the bombing of Milosevic's oppressors started. (which was the whole point of it)

re: #208 Syrah

I can hear the foghorns blowing tonight.

Its late.

Goodnight.

0nly thing sounding in SoCal is smoke alarms and fire sirens.

at least the wind has died down, at least here,

re: #210 Moe Katz

Not to mention their complete sellout of the women of Islam and other authoritarian patriarchies in favor with the left....

They've put ideology above our sisters. This makes me very angry.

re: #211 Outrider

Time to pull pitch. Night all

Happy Landings!

red

re: #214 Sharmuta

They've put ideology above our sisters. This makes me very angry.

Yes, it's despicable. And hypocritical.

re: #216 Moe Katz

Women can be misogynists too.

re: #211 Outrider

Time to pull pitch. Night all

Hope "Pitch" enjoys it.

Some feminists expressed violent feelings towards Sarah Palin (including wanting her to be raped, G-d forbid.) They wanted to think of her being destroyed physically.

They turned themselves into all the things they said they hated about violence towards women.

Some were psychotic about her, quite literally.

They expect women to be owned by Democrats (just as Democrats expect to own African Americans.) What they do to non-Democrat-owned women and blacks is to try to destroy them in a virtual sense.

It's pretty sick.

re: #217 Sharmuta

Women can be misogynists too.

Oh, I know. Do you think that's from their socialization in a sexist culture? Or is it intrinsic?

re: #196 Moe Katz

She was an example of the woman who is chosen as a compromise between two other rivals rather than for her own merits IIRC.

I remember a story Moshe Dayan told. He'd just arrived somewhere via plane, and a (typical sexist pig) man there, watching a woman get off the plane (legs first), said "you should get a prettier assistant." Dayan said - "Assistant! That's my boss!"

I'd better go to bed before I splurge buy a Dyson Animal.

re: #221 Catttt

I remember a story Moshe Dayan told. He'd just arrived somewhere via plane, and a (typical sexist pig) man there, watching a woman get off the plane (legs first), said "you should get a prettier assistant." Dayan said - "Assistant! That's my boss!"

Eek. The Israelis can be blunt.

re: #219 Adina in Judea

Everything you said is true, but taken in context of Moe's point about their support for islam, you have to wonder if it's just more than conservative women that they hate. They were taken over by marxists- they only care about sticking it to "the man" and could give a rat's ass about women.

'Night Catt. Have a good Cattnap.

Did anyone see where I left my keys?

Ploome!

re: #222 Catttt

I'd better go to bed before I splurge buy a Dyson Animal.

better a Kimber.....

they *really* clean up nice when you have a dirt bag problem. %-)

re: #227 ploome hineni
My keys?

re: #220 Moe Katz

Oh, I know. Do you think that's from their socialization in a sexist culture? Or is it intrinsic?

It's wide spread throughout cultures everywhere. It's even been observed in our ape cousins. It's competition- women can be quite nasty to each other when facing off against each other.

Night cattt, weet dreams.

/as long as they are not of toe attacks
//white smoke.

I didn't know Catttts liked vacuums.

re: #226 nightwatch

Did anyone see where I left my keys?

we auctioned them off for another round.

/yhou *really* need to get a better car. %-)

re: #231 Sharmuta

It's wide spread throughout cultures everywhere. It's even been observed in our ape cousins. It's competition- women can be quite nasty to each other when facing off against each other.

Agreed. I'm always shocked when women aid and abet men in sexually/physically abusing girls or other women. Probably a natural phenomenon, as you say, but so hard to accept. We men idealize women sometimes.

re: #234 redc1c4

we auctioned them off for another round.

/yhou *really* need to get a better car. %-)

Yeah, it's a good thing I am on the wagon, or it wouldn't even have done that.

re: #234 redc1c4

BAMN U ...have ti walk holm AGAIN?

re: #231 Sharmuta

It's wide spread throughout cultures everywhere. It's even been observed in our ape cousins. It's competition- women can be quite nasty to each other when facing off against each other.

the unpopular one's tend to get *real* cranky when the Alpha's go elsewhere.... %-)

/not objective: just cranky

re: #238 BlueCanuck

Yeah, it's a good thing I am on the wagon, or it wouldn't even have done that.

single again?

you po' bastid....

/i'll drink more to cover for ya!

re: #235 ploome hineni

Katz!

Nice kitty :)

You know Felix the Cat comes from the taxonomic name Felis cattus

re: #224 Sharmuta

re: #219 Adina in Judea

Everything you said is true, but taken in context of Moe's point about their support for islam, you have to wonder if it's just more than conservative women that they hate. They were taken over by marxists- they only care about sticking it to "the man" and could give a rat's ass about women.

Well, I heard an explanation about why feminists no longer care about Islamic women who live under virtual slavery while covered from head to toe.

They wanted the women in burqas to be freed from this in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. They wanted America to do something about this for the sake of these women who were beaten with sticks in public for showing a wrist.

After 9/11, when America was preparing to attack Afghanistan - some people on the right said to feminists (in various forums), "Well, this will certainly help the women in burqas, too, right?!?!?"

The feminists said that they didn't want the women in burqas helped if it was being done to go after the poor people who had root causes for doing the 9/11 attacks against mean ole America.

They said that if America had gone to help the women in burqas strictly for their own sakes - it would have been good. If America was going to a country to fight against poor people who have root causes to attack America, then they didn't want the women in burqas helped AT ALL as part of this campaign against poor people with root causes.

In other words - their liberalism and anti-conservative rage came first.

The women in burqas were a very distant second (if at all, anymore.)

This is why they support what Islam does to women now.

Their anti-American, anti-conservative feelings outweigh their concern for women.

re: #238 BlueCanuck
Hey blue,

re: #239 nightwatch

BAMN U ...have ti walk holm AGAIN?

naw.... she was cute and said she'd give you a ride home......

(at least as long as her girl friend didn't get jealous. %-)

re: #231 Sharmuta

It's wide spread throughout cultures everywhere. It's even been observed in our ape cousins. It's competition- women can be quite nasty to each other when facing off against each other.

As I say to any man-hater colleague-ettes: Anyone who thinks the world will be better with women running it, has obviously never lived in a women's dormitory.

re: #245 redc1c4

bastard

re: #237 Moe Katz

The conditioning starts early- girls as young as five were observed in one study engaging in the shunning of another girl deemed "different". I read about it in this book- which I highly recommend.

re: #235 ploome hineni

Katz!

And Sylvester the Cat comes from the taxonomic name Felis silvestris (forest cat), wild relative of the domestic cat.

re: #241 redc1c4

/i'll drink more to cover for ya!

And thats a change from when?

/white smoke.

re: #242 Moe Katz

Nice kitty :)

You know Felix the Cat comes from the taxonomic name Felis cattus

Felis cattus is your taxonomic nomenclature...

re: #248 Sharmuta

The conditioning starts early- girls as young as five were observed in one study engaging in the shunning of another girl deemed "different". I read about it in this book- which I highly recommend.

Looks interesting, think I'll grab a copy and share it with the Missus.

re: #250 BlueCanuck
I'm I clear to pop the 2nd bottle of CAB since were talking...I'll be good
....maybe