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Murdoch on the Pajamas Factor

Media | Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23:13 am PST

Rupert Murdoch says the mainstream media has become contemptuous of its audience: Murdoch to media: You dug yourself a huge hole.

To make his point, Murdoch criticized the media reaction after bloggers debunked a “60 Minutes” report by former CBS anchor, Dan Rather, that President Bush had evaded service during his days in the National Guard.

“Far from celebrating this citizen journalism, the establishment media reacted defensively. During an appearance on Fox News, a CBS executive attacked the bloggers in a statement that will go down in the annals of arrogance. ‘60 Minutes,’ he said, was a professional organization with ‘multiple layers of checks and balances.’ By contrast, he dismissed the blogger as ‘a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing.’ But eventually it was the guys sitting in their pajamas who forced Mr. Rather and his producer to resign.

“Mr. Rather and his defenders are not alone,” he continued. “A recent American study reported that many editors and reporters simply do not trust their readers to make good decisions. Let’s be clear about what this means. This is a polite way of saying that these editors and reporters think their readers are too stupid to think for themselves.”

The media are still defensive about this incident. Not a single major news source has unequivocally admitted that those Rathergate documents were obvious, proven fakes; when they refer to the incident, it’s always phrased like this: “Right-wing bloggers alleged that the memos were forged,” or “Conservative pundits cast doubt on the authenticity of the documents.”

For reference:
Bush Guard Documents: Forged

UPDATE at 11/17/08 10:20:21 am:

Sure enough, along comes the New York Times to prove my point: Rather’s Lawsuit Shows Role of G.O.P. in Inquiry at CBS.

Mr. Rather attracted the ire of Republican bloggers and talk radio in particular after the segment, which was broadcast on a weekday edition of “60 Minutes” in September 2004. It purported to have unearthed evidence about favorable treatment extended to President Bush during his Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard.

The network eventually responded to its critics by saying it could no longer vouch for the authenticity of the documents on which the report had been based. The network also commissioned an investigation led by Dick Thornburgh, a prominent Republican and former United States attorney general, and Louis D. Boccardi, a former chief executive of The Associated Press, not so much to verify the documents, but to determine how the segment got on the air.

“Not so much to verify the documents!” Because, hey! Who really cares whether a major news organization was part of an attempt to skew a presidential election with fraudulent documents? Let’s focus on the important stuff, like “the ire of Republican bloggers.”

(Hat tip: Soccer Dad.)

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1 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:25:23am

I'm laughing so hard I almost can't breathe. This is just too rich!

Congratulations to Buckhead, Charles, and everyone else who worked on this story. This may be the closest any of you get to proper credit.

2 noshariaincanada  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:25:26am

He doesn't mince words.

3 Ojoe  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:25:49am

As I like to be treated with respect, I have not had a TV, newspaper subscription, or news magazine subscription for years now.

4 redshirt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:26:24am

OK Charles, time to settle this once and for all.
Do you post in your PJs or not?

5 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:26:28am

We know the truth.

6 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:26:32am

I wish they would give up the ghost and just admit they are the dinosaur that can't evolve.

7 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:27:23am

Thank You, Charles! You continue to lead the charge! They will never give you credit, but the Lizard Army is proof of their ignorance!
*salute*

8 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:28:25am

A lecture series in Australia. Nobody would listen here?

9 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:28:27am

I don't think they are acting defensive charles, I think they flat out are denying that this was A) a fraud and B) 'outed' by the bloggers...

The mainstream media is delusional... They wish to ignore that this form of media exists and does a flat out damn better job than they do...

10 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:28:30am

Interesting, because murdoch's network holds bloggers in contempt too by not giving them any credit when credit is due.

11 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:29:03am

Nice article! But Rupert -have you checked out your 24 hour news channel lately?

12 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:29:26am

Before coming to comment a *rimshot* to Murdoch, I updinged this thread.

symbolic *salute* to Charles

13 Steve  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:29:37am

My Journalism prof is one of those who stand staunchly behind the MSM. This despite all the proof that I have sent him over the years.

14 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:29:59am

I post naked....even at work.

/////

15 Big Steve  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:30:01am

Come on.....don't make me say it.........WE WANT THE THROBBING MEMO!

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:30:06am

Hey, the memo at the link is not throbbing! Do I need to reload?

17 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:30:10am

Damn blogophobes.

18 Charles  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:30:47am

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

19 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:30:51am

Murdoch owns Fox News and I don't know what else. It is probably the only news organization to be making a profit. So of course the rest of the media doesn't listen....Good. Let them all drown in red ink.

20 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:30:58am

re: #6 vapig

I wish they would give up the ghost and just admit they are the dinosaur that can't evolve.

Even de-evolution is a form of evolving. ;)

21 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:31:02am

Charles, at least tell us that you have changed and washed those pajamas since then. Or maybe you have them framed and hanging on your wall.

22 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:31:21am

re: #19 pingjockey

Murdoch owns Fox News and I don't know what else. It is probably the only news organization to be making a profit. So of course the rest of the media doesn't listen....Good. Let them all drown in red ink.

New York Post

23 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:31:32am

re: #17 Sharmuta

Damn blogophobes.

Full steam ahead.

*Not easy to rhyme blogophobes*

24 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:31:40am

re: #18 Charles

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Another reason not to like Bill. The man is too in love with himself for my liking.

25 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:31:53am

re: #18 Charles

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

O'Reilly is just a blowhard... He never takes a stand... He plays both sides...

26 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:32:11am

re: #25 tfc3rid

O'Reilly is just a blowhard... He never takes a stand... He plays both sides...

Typical populist.

27 gymnast  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:32:18am

Murdoch's comments were spot on!

28 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:32:20am

re: #18 Charles
Oh fer cryin' out loud. I've actually quit watching the "leprachaun".

29 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:32:55am

Hey Rupert,

Open that fat wallet and send some mega-hampsters to LGF.

It will bring you more news than the NYT.

30 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:32:58am

re: #22 tfc3rid
Is it running a profit?

31 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:33:32am

re: #28 pingjockey

Oh fer cryin' out loud. I've actually quit watching the "leprachaun".

Eh, I like watching his show on nights when he has Laura Ingraham and Glenn Beck on providing some analysis...

32 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:33:46am

re: #30 pingjockey

Is it running a profit?

Not sure...

33 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:34:10am
“A recent American study reported that many editors and reporters simply do not trust their readers to make good decisions. Let’s be clear about what this means. This is a polite way of saying that these editors and reporters think their readers are too stupid to think for themselves.”

When I was in J-school, we were told to write to someone with an eighth-grade education.

34 Golem Akbar  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:34:47am

re: #25 tfc3rid

O'Reilly is just a blowhard... He never takes a stand... He plays both sides...

Not that he really needs defending, but I have heard O'Reilly change positions after listening to the other side. I have never Olbermann or Matthews to that. Still, the guy needs to open his mind up a bit more.

35 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:34:48am

re: #33 MandyManners

When I was in J-school, we were told to write to someone with an eighth-grade education.

Now, it has to be more like a 3rd grade education... Or so it seems...

36 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:34:54am

How's the NYT stock doing today?

37 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:35:10am

re: #35 tfc3rid

Now, it has to be more like a 3rd grade education... Or so it seems...

All I know is what I was told.

38 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:35:14am

I am sitting at the computer in my pajamas and I approve this message.

/working at home for the win!

39 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:35:29am

I just hope the MSM doesn't get a bailout.

40 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:35:30am

re: #36 MandyManners

How's the NYT stock doing today?

How's the LAT video release going?

41 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:35:32am

re: #34 Golem Akbar

Not that he really needs defending, but I have heard O'Reilly change positions after listening to the other side. I have never Olbermann or Matthews to that. Still, the guy needs to open his mind up a bit more.

Well, I do give him credit for wanting both sides out there... And I do give him credit for having a most successful program when there are so many options out there....

42 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:36:06am

re: #39 Hard Right

I just hope the MSM doesn't get a bailout.

They will... They will be repaid for their treason to America....

43 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:36:20am

re: #33 MandyManners

When I was in J-school, we were told to write to someone with an eighth-grade education.

Yeah, pretty much today's college crowd.

44 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:36:22am

I yell at O'Reilly every time Miller is on and I have to admit, Bill is learning to be quiet as Dennis hits the punchline.

45 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:36:25am

dow up 35

46 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:37:21am

re: #45 Nevergiveup

dow up 35

Lunch time...

47 Sharmuta  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #39 Hard Right

I just hope the MSM doesn't get a bailout.

I just saw an article that said Americans don't like the auto-bailout either. Maybe enough pressure can get this bailout madness to end and the NYT et al can continue to follow their evolutionary march to extinction.

48 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:37:48am

re: #44 debutaunt

I yell at O'Reilly every time Miller is on and I have to admit, Bill is learning to be quiet as Dennis hits the punchline.

Then by all means, keep up the yelling!

49 littleoldlady  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:38:01am
This is a polite way of saying that these editors and reporters think their readers are too stupid to think for themselves.”

Too stupid to vote by themselves, too.

50 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:38:05am

re: #31 tfc3rid
It depends on who he has on. I really used to like him. Now not so much.

51 The Other Les  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:38:10am

There's a certain point where has to say, "F*** them."

52 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:38:26am

re: #38 doppelganglander

I am sitting at the computer in my pajamas and I approve this message.

/working at home for the win!

I wish I was in my PJ's! How are you today?

53 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:39:19am

re: #50 pingjockey

It depends on who he has on. I really used to like him. Now not so much.

He had an interesting dynamic with Glenn Beck last week... Trying to get used to Beck as a fellow FNC contributor...

54 bp sf  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:39:33am

The WSJ, headquarted near here in S. Brunswick, NJ (but they call it "Princeton"); is laying off hundreds of long time employees.

Go F ya self, Rupert.

55 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:39:44am
56 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:39:47am

re: #43 hermit

Yeah, pretty much today's college crowd.

No. The READERS were assumed to have limited intelligence.

57 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:01am

re: #52 bellamags

I wish I was in my PJ's! How are you today?

Not bad. Freaking out about a work deadline, which of course is why I'm here instead of working. (Well, it is lunchtime.) And yourself?

58 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:02am

As I have noted many times, in this life, there are the people that you can trust.
And then there are the rest.

59 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:08am

re: #40 Sharmuta

How's the LAT video release going?

My guess is that it will never see the light of day.

60 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:45am

re: #59 MandyManners

My guess is that it will never see the light of day.

It's probably loooooooong gooooooone....

61 gymnast  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:48am

re: #18 Charles

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Bill O'Reilly is an entertainer who claims to be a "journalist". Lately, he would be more "in character" to be wearing clown makeup while delivering his vaudille show featuring opposing points of view that are three standard deviations from the mean on every "issue". If it were not for O'Reilly's featuring the wisdom of my Man, The Reverend Al about once a week I wouldn't tune in at all, ever. As rational conservative, I appreciate the eveffot of The Reverend Al to deliver the progressive centrist moderate middle views of "Todays Democrat Party".

62 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:49am

re: #53 tfc3rid
I could not believe CNN actually had Beck on. Figured he'd get charged with heresy.

63 J.S.  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:40:50am

I am seeing the MSM "evolving" -- but I don't like what I'm seeing...The MSM is rapidly losing its credibility by catering to partisan hacks and being overtly biased while claiming "neutrality". And rather than apply more rigor or tighten up -- the MSM is trying now to become more and more "blog" like -- thus CNN's encouraging people to text message through Twitter (that in itself isn't problematic -- but it becomes problematic when unedited, raw Twitter messages are scrolling by on "the ticker", as if it were "news")...If the MSM continues in this vein, and eventually goes bankrupt (why spend money buying a product when its equivalent is available, for free, on the Internet?), it won't be seen as some enormous loss. Frankly, if certain programs suddenly ceased to be (Campbell Brown or a Keith O. is canceled), I'd be grateful and relieved, as in Good Riddance, fewer idiots are on air spewing nonsense.

64 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:41:04am

re: #54 bp sf

The WSJ, headquarted near here in S. Brunswick, NJ (but they call it "Princeton"); is laying off hundreds of long time employees.

Go F ya self, Rupert.

How near there are you? That's where I grew up and I'm going home for Thanksgiving.

65 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:41:24am

re: #55 buzzsawmonkey

That's "See Spot run" nowadays. Or USA Today.

The contempt for the public was palpable in some professors.

66 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:41:25am

re: #59 MandyManners

My guess is that it will never see the light of day.

Unless Obama turns out to be a closet moderate ( yeah sure?)!

67 jimzinsocal  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:42:41am

Good. Good. Glad Charles found the link.

68 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:42:50am

re: #57 doppelganglander

I'm surprisingly in a chipper mood today, Monday and all. It was soooo cold this morning so the coffee tasted extra good : ) I am sure you will make your deadline. You seem the type to work well under pressure. And about Christmas or New Years - whatever is cool. Getting together for the holidays sounds great -

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:42:56am

Keep getting bills from my local fish wrap. Haven't renewed. They're shocked.

Only use open my Sunday paper to pull out the crossword puzzle.

To many places to get Sudoku and coupons.

70 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:43:14am

re: #66 Nevergiveup
That video and all copies are long gone. If not...some editor has got some 'splainin' to do.

71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:43:45am

Lets face it. The average MSM network could give a rat's ass about journalism nowadays. All they offer is infotainment and trying to get people's attention so they can milk it for the advertising revenue.

72 bp sf  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:43:46am

#64 doppel

'Bout a 1/2 mile to WSJ HQ.

73 brent  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:44:10am
“Right-wing bloggers alleged that the memos were forged,” or “Conservative pundits cast doubt on the authenticity of the documents.”

You missed one

“Right-wing bloggers alleged that Dan Rather wouldn't recognize a forged document if it introduced itself as Fakey McFakedocument.”

74 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:44:29am

re: #70 pingjockey

That video and all copies are long gone. If not...some editor has got some 'splainin' to do.

One copy exists. It has too much value to destroy.

75 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:44:35am
76 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:44:55am

re: #74 debutaunt

One copy exists. It has too much value to destroy.

Blackmail value?

77 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:45:00am

re: #56 MandyManners

No. The READERS were assumed to have limited intelligence.

yeah, I meant our current university crop can read at about 8th grade level...

78 bp sf  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:45:22am

There will be "closure" when Mad Mary Mapes finally comes clean.

(ain't never gonna happen)

79 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:45:24am

I wish Dan Rather would stop being such a child and disappear from the limelight.
Furthermore, if the media wants to treat its audience like idiots, they can count on blogs to expose their biases. People are far more clever than they think. Now who's the idiot?

80 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:45:45am

re: #73 brent

hahahahahahhahahahahhaaa

81 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:45:46am

Throb that memo.

Oh, and you know what else should be throbbing right now - the eyes of anyone watching the death spiral of the NYT share price. I don't think the price will go much lower, given that the value of the NYT real estate holdings (namely its shiny hq) represents pretty much the entire value of the NYT market cap. The business side of the NYT is pretty much worthless as it stands.

If the Times wants to go on being a partisan mouthpiece, that's fine. But they have done themselves in by not adjusting to changed circumstances - not adjusting to the Internet as a way to expand income potentials and to deal with the instance fact checking that it enables.

The biggest problem is that the gate keepers are finding themselves irrelevant because people can locate the original news and see for themselves if there is introduced bias, error, fauxtography, etc.

82 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:45:50am

re: #62 pingjockey

I could not believe CNN actually had Beck on. Figured he'd get charged with heresy.

I liked seeing Beck in prime time on HN... Too bad his FNC show will be at 5 PM.

83 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:46:11am

re: #74 debutaunt
Ya think? A Hillary operative may have got one. But all the people at that wing ding were obambi supporters. Unless they want to use for leverage to get obambi to sell Israel down the river faster.

84 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:46:43am

re: #42 tfc3rid

They will... They will be repaid for their treason to America....

I saw where GE got $139 billion. Barf

85 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:47:20am

OT, but for some reason, every time I click the "New Comments" button I get the spinning wheel of death. Have to go back to the front page and re-enter the thread. Is anyone else having this problem?

My computer is a 1970's model Kaypro with 64K of RAM and a 10MB hard drive. Could that be it?

(Not really.)

86 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:47:45am

re: #82 tfc3rid
5 pm EST? Crap, that's 2 pm out here.

87 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:47:47am

re: #18 Charles

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And Bill O'Reilly trashes the Swiftboat Veterans every chance he gets (spit).

88 bosforus  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:47:49am

"Conservative pundits cast doubt on the authenticity of the documents." Well then the MSM should report that it's the only time in human history that "casting doubt" had the exact effect as disproving, that is, completely derailing the lie, making the perpetrator look like a complete jackass blowhard with zero credibility and doing the same to anyone else that has since tried to deny the "doubts".

89 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:47:53am

President-elect Obama, McCain vow to work closely


We are fucked but good!

90 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:47:56am

re: #84 Hard Right

I saw where GE got $139 billion. Barf

If they would divide the 139 billion up between working adults over the age of thirty, that would do more for the economy than anything.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:48:11am

re: #82 tfc3rid

I liked seeing Beck in prime time on HN... Too bad his FNC show will be at 5 PM.

Would have liked to have seen a two hour Beck/O'Reilly or O'Reilly/Beck block. Ratings on all 380 other channels would drop.

92 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:48:15am

re: #42 tfc3rid

They will... They will be repaid for their treason to America....

It is only treason when your side loses. History is written by the victors; there will be a lot of rewriting in the next four years

93 bosforus  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:48:42am

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lets face it. The average MSM network could give a rat's ass about journalism nowadays. All they offer is infotainment and trying to get people's attention so they can milk it for the advertising revenue.

This isn't even a profound idea, just an obvious reality.

94 wahabicorridor  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:48:54am

And the NYT is STILL at it. In today's business section (I have no idea what the article is doing there) there is a piece about Rather's lawsuit against CBS.

Rather’s Lawsuit Shows Role of G.O.P. in Inquiry

You can read the piece but it in no way backs up the headline. BUT - here is what I think is the kicker.

Mr. Rather attracted the ire of Republican bloggers and talk radio in particular after the segment, which was broadcast on a weekday edition of “60 Minutes” in September 2004.

Frankly, I don't have any idea what, if any party affiliation Charles, the guys at Powerline, et. al., may have and neither does the NYT.

95 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:49:03am

re: #76 Nevergiveup

Blackmail value?

I know that one person is holding on to the concept of reality being different from the pretend concept of perception.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:49:08am

re: #90 bellamags

Ageist!

97 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:49:10am

re: #87 Son of the Black Dog

And Bill O'Reilly trashes the Swiftboat Veterans every chance he gets (spit).

I recall him trashing the 4 contractors who were murdered and mutilated in Iraq.

98 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:49:41am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
IIRC, FNC owns the top 5 cable slots for news.

99 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:50:02am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ageist!

ha. you got me.

100 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:50:21am

re: #90 bellamags

If they would divide the 139 billion up between working adults over the age of thirty, that would do more for the economy than anything.

Socialist!
///

101 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:50:26am

re: #85 subsailor68

You might want to increase your Ram to 128MB. IIRC, it should be less than $650.00 for another 64MB stick.

102 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:50:38am

re: #74 debutaunt

One copy exists. It has too much value to destroy.

Which is to say that a VERY likely "keeper" of the tape will be someone who wants to have (cough) "leverage" -- probably upon a certain "someone else".

103 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:50:44am

re: #45 Nevergiveup

dow up 35

Random noise.

104 kynna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:51:07am

re: #18 Charles

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Bill O'Reilly is just the worst. I can't imagine what life must be like for those who have to work with that guy day after day. I would have the worst migraines from constantly cringing.

I'm still in awe of how Rathergate played out. It was brilliant journalism from all involved in debunking the scoundrels of the Big Media.

105 JimmyTheClaw  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:51:24am

charles a throbbing memo thread without the graphic?

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:51:35am

re: #98 pingjockey

IIRC, FNC owns the top 5 cable slots for news.

They'd OWN a Beck/O'Reilly block.

I like O'Reilly. Haven't heard the anti-stuff that gets reported here. (Not saying it doesn't happen, saying I haven't heard it, or it doesn't register).

107 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:51:42am

re: #100 Hard Right

Socialist!
///

LOL.

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:52:04am
109 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:52:12am

re: #45 Nevergiveup

dow up 35

If it were 3:59:58 EST then I would take notice.

110 JimmyTheClaw  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:52:21am

re: #4 redshirt

OK Charles, time to settle this once and for all.
Do you post in your PJs or not?

i sometimes post in my boxers

111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:52:49am

re: #100 Hard Right

Socialist!
///

Again with the code words! RACIST!

112 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:52:55am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

i sometimes post in my boxers

TMI

113 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:53:15am

re: #68 bellamags

I'm surprisingly in a chipper mood today, Monday and all. It was soooo cold this morning so the coffee tasted extra good : ) I am sure you will make your deadline. You seem the type to work well under pressure. And about Christmas or New Years - whatever is cool. Getting together for the holidays sounds great -

I only work well under pressure. If I don't finish the work, I don't get paid. It tends to concentrate the mind wonderfully.

I definitely want to do something for the holidays but until my kids figure out when they're coming home, I can't really plan anything. I will keep you and the ATL gang posted.

114 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:53:31am

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I do know he defended Rather and really, really pissed me off by dissing the Swift boat Vets. I mean shooting the TV pissed. That is when I started scaling back my O'Reilly viewing.

115 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:53:42am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

i sometimes post in my boxers

Is that the long in th' short of it?

116 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:53:49am

re: #111 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Again with the code words! RACIST!

Ow! Who knew my petard was so sharp...

117 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:54:11am

Just saw Obama and McCain meeting on FOX --all smiles. And a smiling Lindsey Graham to boot. G-D now I am depressed!

118 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:54:15am
119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:54:16am

Take away all the money in America. Give everyone in America $1,000,000.00. How long before current top 10% wealthy are the top 10% wealthy again.

My guess...4 months.

120 freedombilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:54:43am

They won't come out and admit it, but you've got their attention Charles.

121 Sprite  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:54:52am

I'm glad you posted this, Charles.

/I don't need no stinkin' hat tip. :)

Of course, probably another gazillion Lizards sent it your way. Or, more likely, you found it on your own.

In any event, KUDOS for acknowledgement of a job well done.

122 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:55:03am

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, under the ageist aegis
I agitate so angrily
Why can't the government give me
The money they gave to GE?

As I said before, eloquent. LOL.

123 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:55:14am

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Just saw Obama and McCain meeting on FOX --all smiles. And a smiling Lindsey Graham to boot. G-D now I am depressed!

It gets better. 5 RINOs have reintroduced the assault weapon ban. Mark Kirk is the sponsor R-IL. I don't have the names of the other 4 scumbags.

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:55:37am

re: #117 Nevergiveup

Just saw Obama and McCain meeting on FOX --all smiles. And a smiling Lindsey Graham to boot. G-D now I am depressed!

When I first heard McCain was going to meet with Obama I had a thought The One would offer McC some position in His administration as compensation for taking a dive.

125 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:55:40am

re: #89 Nevergiveup

President-elect Obama, McCain vow to work closely

We are fucked but good!

Super duper... Maybe they can crap all over Sarah Palin while working closely...

126 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:56:18am

re: #117 Nevergiveup
Maybe obambi is gonna offer McCain the Sec. Defense job? Nah, he'll offer it to Weasley Clark.

127 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:56:28am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

i sometimes post in my boxers

I sometimes post in my terrier cloth robe.

128 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:56:35am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

When I first heard McCain was going to meet with Obama I had a thought The One would offer McC some position in His administration as compensation for taking a dive.

No, it would be so he could be a scapegoat for their failed policies in whatever position he was given.

129 Jinx  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:56:37am

Good article. But I don't think Ruport hit the nail hard enough.

The so-called journalists and editors have made a mess out of media. I would sooner trust a lawyer than a journalist. These people have gone off on their "And All the King's Men" crusade but have forgotten what it was really about. It was never about exposing only one side. It was about showing the truth regardless of who was in power, regardless of who it would hurt. Today's media has forgotten that crusade and will go into the annals of history as being half-assed partisan hacks--not a decent journalist or editor among them.

I'll take that back under one condition--PROVE you're not a hack.

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:56:49am

re: #120 freedombilly

They won't come out and admit it, but you've got their attention Charles.

Fact checking the media is like kicking over an anthill.

131 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:56:53am

I have to say that I was SO GLAD I was an LGFer when Charles busted this story wide-open. I can't imagine being very much prouder of Charles, LGF or the blogosphere in general.
That the MSM is STILL IN DENIAL over this is truly remarkable and only goes to support Murdoch's basic thesis: when the Media start to actually believe that THEY ARE smarter than their viewers/readers, is when they become (or is evidence that they have become) intellectually lazy and more "taken" by their power or perceived power than they have any reasonable right to be.
This is not to say that, at times in the past, the MSM hasn't done the equivalent of what Charles did. I'm thinking, for example, of Woodward and Bernstein's breaking of the Watergate cover up.
But for all the assets the MSM has had (they truly don't any more) very few, if any, "breaking news" analysis is available from the MSM.
This is, I would suggest, where the blogosphere has really hit the hardest and done the most to enlighten people of current (and not so current) "news".
I don't see the MSM making a comeback, as Murdoch suggests they can, because of the hubris of the MSM; way too much self-analysis would be required for them to "get it" that they no longer have the trust of the American people. Yes, they are still ahead of the blogosphere in terms of "breaking" news events (though that gap, too, is closing) but have fallen SO FAR behind the analysis of that news that they'll NEVER catch up.
We out here (and in a few other blogs) put each other (and sometimes Charles) to the test of: PROVE IT when it comes to what news means. The MSM will never get that in a zillion years.

132 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:57:09am

re: #127 bellamags

I sometimes post in my terrier cloth robe.

Fashions by Cruella?

133 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:57:44am

re: #126 pingjockey

Maybe obambi is gonna offer McCain the Sec. Defense job? Nah, he'll offer it to WeasleyWeasel Clark.

better

134 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:57:56am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Take away all the money in America. Give everyone in America $1,000,000.00. How long before current top 10% wealthy are the top 10% wealthy again.

My guess...4 months.

I agree. Did you ever read up about what becomes of lottery winners? An amazing percentage of them end up broke, or dead.

135 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:58:18am

re: #114 pingjockey

I do know he defended Rather and really, really pissed me off by dissing the Swift boat Vets. I mean shooting the TV pissed. That is when I started scaling back my O'Reilly viewing.

My hubby and I bought a little plastic gun that shoots suction cup tipped darts. They would stick real good on the TV screen. It was quite a release of anger.

136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:58:28am

Some posting in boxers and another in terriers. I hope the ASPCA doesnt get ahold of this thread.

Sickos.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:58:29am

50% of the time, LGF is truly pajamas for me.

138 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:58:38am

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

If you have never seen the original film of "The Front Page," starring Pat O'Brien and Adolphe Menjou, find it and view it.

It is the funniest and most cynical newspaper film ever. For a great double feature, see it with "Blessed Event," starring Lee Tracy as a Walter Winchell-type columnist. If you really want to go to town, see "Five Star Final" starring Edward G. Robinson, in which he plays an editor on a tabloid loosely modeled on the old New York Graphic, known as "the Pornographic" in its day.


Good film, but loved it as "His Girl Friday"....

139 gop_patriot  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:58:57am

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOL

140 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:59:03am

re: #133 saberry0530
Heh! But I did spell Wesley as Weasley. Or as Rush calls him, Ashley Wilkes.

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:59:24am

re: #134 rawmuse

I agree. Did you ever read up about what becomes of lottery winners? An amazing percentage of them end up broke, or dead.

And so many of the stories include strippers.

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 9:59:34am

re: #134 rawmuse

I agree. Did you ever read up about what becomes of lottery winners? An amazing percentage of them end up broke, or dead.

Most end of broke and deep in debt simply because they have no concept of money management that is second nature to those who are rich.

143 Racer X  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:00:07am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And so many of the stories include strippers.

Share the wealth™

144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:00:14am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And so many of the stories include strippers.

What story isn't improved by strippers though?

145 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:00:25am

re: #135 bellamags
Ha! I've got a referee doll with velcro arms legs and head for tossing at the tube when the zebras screw up.

146 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:00:39am

re: #138 Bloodnok

Good film, but loved it as "His Girl Friday"....

Wonderful fast paced dialog! Hilarious!

147 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:00:43am

It's all about agenda.

Every single major news outlet WANTED that Bogus CBS story to be true.

148 zombie  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:18am

Woo-hoo! Victory in Iraq Day has just gotten a big endorsement from Blackfive:

VICTORY IN IRAQ DAY

I have been an advocate of a victory parade or some other acknowledgment of the victory we have won in Iraq. First because everyone who served there deserves it and second because the incoming President tried his damndest to lose the war and should not be allowed near a celebration. So the inimitable Zombie, of SF moonbat profiling fame, has an idea that is catching on.

Victory in Iraq Day November 22, 2008

Let's go all out on this and see what kind of action we can get. VI Day

That will REALLY help to get all the milbloggers on board. 30 blogs have linked so far -- it may be just the beginning.

Shifting into second gear!

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:22am

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What story isn't improved by strippers though?

I'll have to do some research on that one. Anybody got any two dollar bills?... They like two dollar bills.

150 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:26am

Okay, chiils now. Damn, wonder if I'm getting the bug the 8 yr old has?

151 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:32am
152 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:33am

re: #97 Hard Right

I recall him trashing the 4 contractors who were murdered and mutilated in Iraq.

I didn't hear that, but I don't doubt it for a second.

153 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:36am

re: #97 Hard Right
I recall Markos Kos trashing those contractors, but not O'Reilly. I do very clearly however, remember the way he trashed the Swiftboat Vets.
He lost me right then and there.

154 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:01:49am

I bet some who bet on the Steeler-Charger game are going ape shit today?

155 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:02:05am

Putting McCain in the cabinet solves the magic 60 problem for the Democrats

156 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:02:23am

re: #148 zombie

Woo-hoo! Victory in Iraq Day has just gotten a big endorsement from Blackfive:

That will REALLY help to get all the milbloggers on board. 30 blogs have linked so far -- it may be just the beginning.

Shifting into second gear!

Good for you, Zombie. That is terrific. Good luck!

157 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:02:25am

re: #147 FrogMarch

It's all about agenda.

Every single major news outlet WANTED that Bogus CBS story to be true.

Looks like the fall-out of the Rather memo debacle has made the media shy in producing last minute revelations about the enemy candidate. Now they just worship the one they want to win.

158 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:02:35am

re: #148 zombie

Go Zombie!

159 wahabicorridor  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:02:50am

re: #131 realwest

I don't see the MSM making a comeback, as Murdoch suggests they can, because of the hubris of the MSM; way too much self-analysis would be required for them to "get it" that they no longer have the trust of the American people

Did you catch Deborah Howell's ombudsman piece in yesterday's WaPo? It was the second in as many weeks about their liberal bias. They've had 900 cancellations in the past month. They're getting kicked in the teeth.

Yet in today's NYT business section, there is an article by David Carr blaming the demise on the MSM on the fact that they're continually letting their most experienced people go. It never occurs to him that those 'experienced' people are the ones who got them into trouble in the first place - not the internet.

160 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:03:02am

re: #154 Nevergiveup
ESPN said that if it had happened in a NBA game there'd be an investigation!

161 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:03:04am

re: #134 rawmuse

I agree. Did you ever read up about what becomes of lottery winners? An amazing percentage of them end up broke, or dead.

You know of anyone who doesn't end up dead?

162 freedombilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:03:09am

re: #150 pingjockey

Okay, chiils now. Damn, wonder if I'm getting the bug the 8 yr old has?

I'm getting chills but it is just seeing McCain and Obama "working together" on the news. Frightening. Hope you and your family feel better.

163 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:03:35am
164 freedombilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:03:59am

re: #154 Nevergiveup

I bet some who bet on the Steeler-Charger game are going ape shit today?

Vegas made 64 MILLION DOLLARS when that touchdown was called back.

165 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:01am

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The last time I had any contact with strippers I tried to convert them to Christianity.

166 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:17am

re: #160 pingjockey

ESPN said that if it had happened in a NBA game there'd be an investigation!

It was like a 3 point spread wasn't it?

167 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:18am

re: #162 freedombilly
Yeah, that was a real chill. We are in very deep waters here.

168 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:26am

re: #150 pingjockey

get the horesradish. take 1/2 tsp morning and night. Kills bugs dead. I prefer xtra hot kosher...once the tears stop, I can feel the heal.

169 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:39am

re: #161 lifeofthemind

You know of anyone who doesn't end up dead?

Good point. But, in general, not as a result of winning the lottery.

170 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:42am

re: #148 zombie

*rimshot*

171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:51am

re: #165 rawmuse

The last time I had any contact with strippers I tried to convert them to Christianity.

I believe thats known as the missionary position.

172 freedombilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:04:55am

re: #167 pingjockey

Yeah, that was a real chill. We are in very deep waters here.

What's that phrase? Something about a creek and no paddle?

173 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:05:03am

re: #166 Nevergiveup
Yeah, 3 or 5. The TD would've covered the spread.

174 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:05:14am

re: #148 zombie

That would be a lot of fun. I'm going to be in D.C. that day. I would totally go to a VI celebration. (Can we call it VI Day? Reminiscent of VE and VJ Days, of course.)

175 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:05:56am

re: #172 freedombilly

What's that phrase? Something about a creek and no paddle?

right now? more like "Don't worry, we'll burn that bridge when we get to it."

176 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:06:06am

re: #168 hermit
Really? Haven't heard that one. But I need lean Roast Beef to go with that horseradish!

177 bosforus  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:06:11am

re: #162 freedombilly

I'm getting chills but it is just seeing McCain and Obama "working together" on the news. Frightening. Hope you and your family feel better.

McCain will be happy to work under Obama, he's been doing it for the last two years.

178 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:06:46am

re: #175 hermit
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

179 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:07:04am

MLB Rumor Central: Union behind Yanks in Sabathia pursuit?

Is that like the kiss of death?

180 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:07:20am

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

"His Girl Friday" is a nice, clean, flossy star vehicle. It's cute, but bloodless--especially as it was filmed following the Code crackdown.

The pre-Code original is far superior.


Someplace I have or had a first edition of the play that I picked up in Powell's Hyde Park about 1975.

181 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:07:23am

re: #178 pingjockey

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

"Pay all attention to the empty suit."

182 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #176 pingjockey

Really? Haven't heard that one. But I need lean Roast Beef to go with that horseradish!

only makes it better! when i started my herb garden i found wild horseradish. when i looked it up, it said that people who work in horseradish factories never, NEVER, get colds. i have lived by it ever since.

183 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:03am

Now that McCain is working with Obama openly, the Southpark interpretation of the situation seems plausible.

184 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:03am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Take away all the money in America. Give everyone in America $1,000,000.00. How long before current top 10% wealthy are the top 10% wealthy again.

My guess...4 months.

In the 1960's I knew a guy who inherited a sum that would be the rough equivalent of $1 million today. He ran all the way through it in 6 months.

185 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:09:55am

re: #4 redshirt

OK Charles, time to settle this once and for all.
Do you post in your PJs or not?

I reckon Charles' pajamas look something like this.

186 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:10:41am

re: #184 Son of the Black Dog

In the 1960's I knew a guy who inherited a sum that would be the rough equivalent of $1 million today. He ran all the way through it in 6 months.

"A man could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all this."
- Colonel Kong (Slim Pickens), Dr. Strangelove

187 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:11:13am

re: #181 FurryOldGuyJeans
There you go again. Heh. Empty suit, platitudes, moonbeams, and unicorns. Buncha crap.

188 Bloodnok  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

"His Girl Friday" is a nice, clean, flossy star vehicle. It's cute, but bloodless--especially as it was filmed following the Code crackdown.

The pre-Code original is far superior.


Definitely a star vehicle, you're right -but entertaining enough for that reason. You make good points. Wasn't the Hays office around when the original was made or was it less strict then?

189 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:00am

FYI: Charles is not the government (I hope) and therefore cannot engage in censorship.

190 pingjockey  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:15am

Nap time. Y'all fight nice amongst yourselves. Trolls, mobys...etc. No rules!

191 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:54am

Murdoch=Maverick

192 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:04am

Franken to discuss recount with Senate leaders in D.C.

The candidate also will get a legislative update. Sen. Norm Coleman's camp termed the trip "presumptuous."

[Link: www.startribune.com...]

Maybe he is going to Washington to pick up another bag of votes?

193 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:29am

later ping
*scroodle-ung...ding...be-deep!*

194 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:55am

re: #187 pingjockey

There you go again. Heh. Empty suit, platitudes, moonbeams, and unicorns. Buncha crap.

Just try and stop me from expressing my contempt for empty suits.

195 Shug  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:14:18am
a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing

LIAR!

everybody knows Charles goes commando

196 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:15:01am

re: #195 Shug

LIAR!

everybody knows Charles goes commando

No thong?

197 outsidephilly[deleted]  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:15:04am
198 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:16:20am

re: #196 FurryOldGuyJeans

No thong?

My eyes! My eyes!

/

199 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #126 pingjockey

Maybe obambi is gonna offer McCain the Sec. Defense job? Nah, he'll offer it to Weasley Clark.

He wants McCain to help push the bipartisan agenda... Work with 'his friends' across the aisle...

200 johnnyreb  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:16:49am

re: #147 FrogMarch

It's all about agenda.

Every single major news outlet WANTED that Bogus CBS story to be true.

You hit the nail on the head with that statement. They not only wanted it to be true, they let it cloud their judgment to such a degree that it came back and slammed them so hard they are still stunned. They not only wanted it to be true, they needed it to be true.

201 swamprat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:14am

re: #197 outsidephilly

You're kidding, right?

202 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:21am

re: #198 Ford_Prefect

My eyes! My eyes!

/

You should still have two.

203 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:42am

re: #198 Ford_Prefect

My eyes! My eyes! /

What has been seen [in the mind] cannot be unseen.

204 bosforus  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:50am

re: #195 Shug

LIAR!

everybody knows Charles goes commando

Here's my vision of Charles.
Hideous Atomic Mutant Strikes from the Depths!

205 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:52am

re: #197 outsidephilly

Is this real or Snopes worthy?

206 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:54am

re: #123 Hard Right

It gets better. 5 RINOs have reintroduced the assault weapon ban. Mark Kirk is the sponsor R-IL. I don't have the names of the other 4 scumbags.

Get Your Maggots! Read All About It! It won't take a supermajority in the Senate to take your guns, just a couple of RINO commies like these:

1. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
U.S. Representative, Florida’s 18th District

2. Michael (Mike) Ferguson
U.S. Representative, New Jersey’s 7th District

3. Christopher Shays
U.S. Representative, Connecticut’s 4th District

4. Michael Castle
U.S. Representative, Delaware At Large

H.R. 6257

This is why party labels have become meaningless to gunowners.

207 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:17:55am

re: #201 swamprat

You're kidding, right?

kidding about what?

208 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #205 lifeofthemind

Is this real or Snopes worthy?

Troofer worthy at the very least.

209 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:05am

re: #205 lifeofthemind

Is this real or Snopes worthy?

well, its a quote I'm familiar with - I didn't do the link thing very well, sorry about that.

210 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:14am

re: #154 Nevergiveup

I bet some who bet on the Steeler-Charger game are going ape shit today?

I said on the DT that if it happened in the NBA, there would be a Congressional investigation...

211 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:03am

re: #196 FurryOldGuyJeans

No thong?

Sounds like you were strapped for a comeback.

212 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:11am

re: #197 outsidephilly

213 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:36am

Your text to link...

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries".

-David Rockefeller, in an address given to Catherine Graham, publisher of The Washington Post and other media luminaries in attendance in Baden Baden, Germany at the June 1991 annual meeting of the world elite Bilderberg Group.

214 jamie  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:42am

re: #104 kynna

Bill O'Reilly is just the worst. I can't imagine what life must be like for those who have to work with that guy day after day. I would have the worst migraines from constantly cringing.

He is arguably the biggest clown on the FOX lineup. He might be the only "journalist" who makes Alan Colmes look like a wise and mighty sage by comparison.

215 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:11am

re: #212 MandyManners

This is not the first time I've read that.

Mandy, thanks for helping me with that link thing .. . . . . .

216 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:14am

re: #211 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sounds like you were strapped for a comeback.

Charles is a musician -- "G" string all the way, baby...

217 taejohndo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:28am

re: #110 JimmyTheClaw

i sometimes post in my boxers

All these brief posts are something else!

218 Jinx  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:47am

Charles has been trying to make several points since the election.

1) The Media sucks, and we all know that.
2) The republican party is in dire need of reformation.

The republican party is poised on the edge of a fundamental rebirth. It has become so inured in its past that it has become a dinosaur, one on the verge of extinction. Everybody, acknowledges that the sitting republicans have forgotten their roots. So, now is the time to make the drive to correct those errors. To be reborn, to rise from the ashes from the hulking, soulless party that is now the Republican party.

Corruption must end. That is first and foremost. No more should the party tolerate or support corrupt officials in its name. Craig, Stevens, you lied, you got caught, then you fought to remain in power despite the people's will. You are a disgrace and you cost the party nationwide. The republican party needs to be able to revoke their status as a republican and withdraw all monetary support of those legislating criminals.

Back to basics. As in all things, if you forget the basics you can not master the higher principals. The principal and fundamental principals in the Republican party MUST be: smaller gov't, power to the people--not the corporation (we've watched big oil and big business screw everyone over for too long), lower taxes, personal responsibility.

Find a voice. For too long, the republican party has been neutered by its inability to get a clear, concise message out. Reagan is dead. We cannot rely solely on the past to ride the wake of communication. We need someone who can connect with the people. Not just a "maverick", but someone who truly connects with the people and can voice it loud and clear.

It is time for the rebirth, the rise of the phoenix, for the republican party. Rise from the ashes, learn from the lessons, get back to basics, end corruption, and find a voice.

219 swamprat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #147 FrogMarch

It's all about agenda.

Every single major news outlet WANTED that Bogus CBS story to be true.


Sounds like Palin and her supposed lack of geo-knowledge. All those who told me that little lie-oid(opposite of factoid) did not know that Obama lived in a country with 57 states. ...Amazing.

220 Russkilitlover  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:03am

re: #199 tfc3rid

He wants McCain to help push the bipartisan agenda... Work with 'his friends' across the aisle...

Say a big HELLO to full amnesty!

221 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:10am

re: #210 tfc3rid

I said on the DT that if it happened in the NBA, there would be a Congressional investigation...

I don't buy that. Why? There is much heavyer betting on the NFL than the NBA?

222 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:25am

re: #206 Sol Roth

Shays was defeated in CT on Nov. 4th... He's meaningless...

223 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:44am

re: #216 hermit

Charles is a musician -- "G" string all the way, baby...

Yes ... and a GOOD one!
*rimshot*

224 yochanan  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:02am

re: #148 zombie

Woo-hoo! Victory in Iraq Day has just gotten a big endorsement from Blackfive:

That will REALLY help to get all the milbloggers on board. 30 blogs have linked so far -- it may be just the beginning.

Shifting into second gear!

REPORTED THIS TO THE ADMINSTRATION BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT AS A LGF THREAD

225 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:02am

re: #219 swamprat

lie-oid(opposite of factoid)

I propose fict-oid. rolls out better...

226 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:29am

re: #221 Nevergiveup

I don't buy that. Why? There is much heavyer betting on the NFL than the NBA?

The referees who bet on and fixed NBA scores a few years ago... There was proven corruption in that league to fix games...

227 jamie  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:35am

re: #205 lifeofthemind

Is this real or Snopes worthy?

My guess is that it is unadulterated horseshit. The misspelling of Katherine Graham's name is a good first sign. A good second sign is the sites that come up in a Google search.

228 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:44am

A question for the Senior Lizards ... have we ever had a "Charles' Underwear" thread before this?

229 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:25:05am
Mr. Rather attracted the ire of Republican bloggers

because lying for political ends is OK with leftist democrats.

230 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:25:11am

re: #226 tfc3rid

The referees who bet on and fixed NBA scores a few years ago... There was proven corruption in that league to fix games...

OK. Good point.

231 Noah's Arrrgh  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:25:18am
The media are still defensive about this incident. Not a single major news source has unequivocally admitted that those Rathergate documents were obvious, proven fakes; when they refer to the incident, it’s always phrased like this: “Right-wing bloggers alleged that the memos were forged,” or “Conservative pundits cast doubt on the authenticity of the documents.”

The Left also claimed that lying commie b----ard Alger Hiss was innocent for decades, and are still "finessing" his guilt. Oh, and by the way, they hounded Whittaker Chambers to his death for, as they'd have it, speaking truth to power.

232 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:26:25am

re: #231 Noah's Arrrgh

The Left also claimed that lying commie b----ard Alger Hiss was innocent for decades, and are still "finessing" his guilt. Oh, and by the way, they hounded Whittaker Chambers to his death for, as they'd have it, speaking truth to power.

Oh and don't forget those Innocent Rosenberg?

233 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:26:27am

re: #227 jamie

My guess is that it is unadulterated horseshit. The misspelling of Katherine Graham's name is a good first sign. A good second sign is the sites that come up in a Google search.

oh, I hope its not . . . . , because I didn't mean to give out wacky info (

234 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:32am

re: #199 tfc3rid

bi-partisan agenda

Means "fuck the fuckin' Republicans. Fuck 'em all!" in Swahili
235 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:36am

re: #159 wahabicorridor
Hey {wahabi} the "experienced" * cough journalists *cough were the reason the MSM is in fact where it is today.
"Cub" or new "reporters" take their attitudes towards reportage and opinion from their more senior associates. But it's going to continue to happen unless and until some relatively unbiased REPORTERS make their way up the ladder and become the example for the newbies. And that won't happen - those at the top are too entrenched.
Look, Charles took down Dan Rather. But what ever happened to The New Republic and "Scotty Beachamp" ? Did anyone lose their jobs over that mockery of "reporting"? If so I surely don't recall it.
By the time TNR got through spinning it even I couldn't follow it and I HAD been following it pretty closely.

236 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:21am

re: #126 pingjockey

Maybe obambi is gonna offer McCain the Sec. Defense job? Nah, he'll offer it to Weasley Clark.

Wah... Ashley Wilkes? GAH! If that were true, we're screwed.

And our men and women in uniform are truly f*cked.

237 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:16am

re: #234 Iron Fist

Means "fuck the fuckin' Republicans. Fuck 'em all!" in Swahili

The GOP 'let' McCain down... Now it's time for him to work closely with the 'Gang of XX' to enact wonderful measures like 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' AKA 'the end of the GOP forever act'.

238 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:19am

re: #227 jamie

Agreed it's bullshit or horsehockeys or some other form of fertilizer.

Let it be said and noted, wasting time and spreading junk is not cost free.

Wish our host could design an Ignore feature, maybe even with a time feature so we could put someone in a penalty box for 48 hours.

239 zombie  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:46am

re: #174 doppelganglander

That would be a lot of fun. I'm going to be in D.C. that day. I would totally go to a VI celebration. (Can we call it VI Day? Reminiscent of VE and VJ Days, of course.)

Sure --I call it "VI Day" myself in the original post:

I declare November 22, 2008 to be "Victory in Iraq Day." (Hereafter known as "VI Day.")

My biggest error was scheduling it on the same day as the JFK assassination anniversary. Maybe I should have chosen the 23rd. Oh well -- too late for that! No regrets.

240 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:30:08am

re: #236 Spiny Norman

Wah... Ashley Wilkes? GAH! If that were true, we're screwed.

And our men and women in uniform are truly f*cked.

anyone here who speaks regularly with our men and women in uniform get their take on the anointing of The One?

241 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:31:04am

re: #238 lifeofthemind

Agreed it's bullshit or horsehockeys or some other form of fertilizer.

Let it be said and noted, wasting time and spreading junk is not cost free.

Wish our host could design an Ignore feature, maybe even with a time feature so we could put someone in a penalty box for 48 hours.

. . . , it wasn't my intent to send junk. I guess I didn't do enough checking - sorry

242 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:32:14am

The media would rather die than admit they are wrong or that they lied.

243 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:22am

re: #239 zombie

My biggest error was scheduling it on the same day as the JFK assassination anniversary. Maybe I should have chosen the 23rd. Oh well -- too late for that! No regrets.


Zombie,
There is good news for you in the coming Obamination Apocalypse. Seeing where you live to begin with you will see relatively less change than those accustomed to a saner environment. Now doesn't that make you feel better?

244 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:30am

re: #240 tfc3rid

anyone here who speaks regularly with our men and women in uniform get their take on the anointing of The One?

In the normal course of duties there isn't much politics spoken. Some of the other Officers I am friendly with, we have spoken and most will be upset by Obama's election. But until he starts doing something overtly anti-military, I would not expect to see a dramatic change in re-enlistments or resignations. People have various reasons for being in the Military.

245 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:38am

re: #242 FrogMarch

The media would rather die than admit they are wrong or that they lied.

They are getting their first wish.

246 swamprat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:44am

re: #207 outsidephilly


I don't believe it. As in; "A 90 foot tall Elvis told me"

As in; "We were ferried to the conference airport by black helicopters, and took the pink unicorns to the conference building.

As in; "I know it is true; I found it on rense.com."

As in; "I know it to be a fact; I read it in an AP story in the New York Times


You know.....I would like for it to be true, but it is trite, convenient, and the site looks kookie.

247 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:21am

re: #241 outsidephilly

. . . , it wasn't my intent to send junk. I guess I didn't do enough checking - sorry

No worries. I nearly fell for the "Ayers wrote Obama's book" thing.

Just remember, if it sounds like a conspiracy theory - "Bilderberg" is your first give away - it probably is.

248 wahabicorridor  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:32am

re: #235 realwest

Did anyone lose their jobs over that mockery of "reporting"?

Yes, as a matter of fact. Our old LGF buddy Throbert McGee.

gotta hop - people are over for a meeting.

249 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:49am

re: #242 FrogMarch

The media would rather die than admit they are wrong or that they lied.


Worse, they would rather destroy.

250 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:52am

re: #235 realwest

Hey {wahabi} the "experienced" * cough journalists *cough were the reason the MSM is in fact where it is today.
"Cub" or new "reporters" take their attitudes towards reportage and opinion from their more senior associates. But it's going to continue to happen unless and until some relatively unbiased REPORTERS make their way up the ladder and become the example for the newbies. And that won't happen - those at the top are too entrenched.
Look, Charles took down Dan Rather. But what ever happened to The New Republic and "Scotty Beachamp" ? Did anyone lose their jobs over that mockery of "reporting"? If so I surely don't recall it.
By the time TNR got through spinning it even I couldn't follow it and I HAD been following it pretty closely.

Just Throbert.

251 soccerdad  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #54 bp sf

The WSJ, headquarted near here in S. Brunswick, NJ (but they call it "Princeton"); is laying off hundreds of long time employees.

Go F ya self, Rupert.

Why the hatin' on Murdoch?

252 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #240 tfc3rid

anyone here who speaks regularly with our men and women in uniform get their take on the anointing of The One?

From what I've heard a lot of them won't re-up as they'd done under the GOP. Also, a lot of talk of retiring officers.

253 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:35:09am

re: #206 Sol Roth

That's what scares me. They know gun control is a loser position. It cost them the House and the Senate in 1994. There are enough RINOs to get it through if the Democrats don't split on the issue. A lot of the people running in 2006 portrayed themselves as pro-Second Amendment. It is a question as to how they would vote.

254 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:35:51am

re: #246 swamprat

I don't believe it. As in; "A 90 foot tall Elvis told me"

As in; "We were ferried to the conference airport by black helicopters, and took the pink unicorns to the conference building.

As in; "I know it is true; I found it on rense.com."

As in; "I know it to be a fact; I read it in an AP story in the New York Times


You know.....I would like for it to be true, but it is trite, convenient, and the site looks kookie.

Ah, that's too bad . . . . , how do you know when something isn't right? (cause I don't want to have to go into that penalty box)

255 swamprat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:01am

re: #225 hermit


perfect!

256 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:26am

re: #239 zombie

My biggest error was scheduling it on the same day as the JFK assassination anniversary. Maybe I should have chosen the 23rd. Oh well -- too late for that! No regrets.

Now that I've belatedly read your post, I see it's mainly a blog event so far. Somehow I'd gotten the impression that there would be gatherings with flag waving and such. I don't have a blog, so I guess I'll just have to keep VI day in my heart.

257 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #250 Spiny Norman

Just Throbert.

Back up. I know the Lizard Throbert, but is he an ex-msm? WHo is he, how did I miss this?

258 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:37:02am

re: #247 Noam Sayin'

No worries. I nearly fell for the "Ayers wrote Obama's book" thing.

Just remember, if it sounds like a conspiracy theory - "Bilderberg" is your first give away - it probably is.

geez, did I do a major screw-up?

259 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:37:07am

re: #254 outsidephilly

Ah, that's too bad . . . . , how do you know when something isn't right? (cause I don't want to have to go into that penalty box)

When it comes to stuff found on the on the internet it is best to treat it as suspect until there is unimpeachable independent confirmation from at least 3 different sources.

260 dentate  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:37:23am

re: #239 zombie

My biggest error was scheduling it on the same day as the JFK assassination anniversary. Maybe I should have chosen the 23rd. Oh well -- too late for that! No regrets.

JFK served in the military and understood victory, and that talk is not always the best way to face enemies. He stepped up our involvement in Vietnam to stop the spread of Communism, just as W got us into Iraq to stop Islamic terror. Only, W actually lived to see his victory, while we can only guess how Vietnam would have worked out with JFK still in charge. He lived BEFORE the Democrats went left-looney. This is partly where the comparison to BO, who never served, ends. I think JFK might not be displeased by seeing the celebration of victory on Nov. 22.

261 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:37:30am

If the MSM had 1/100th of distrust about stories before they publish/air them as they do for evidence that already published/aired stories are bunk, we'd all be better off.

262 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:37:48am

re: #252 vapig

From what I've heard a lot of them won't re-up as they'd done under the GOP. Also, a lot of talk of retiring officers.

That really isn't necessarily so. Remember some people are trying to put in 20 for retirement. Others are looking for the benefits. And if the economy is tanking, there might very well be less jobs on the outside. Now if this new Administration starts shrinking the Military, well then all bets are off.

263 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:38:14am

re: #151 buzzsawmonkey
Huh, wish I could keep up with you! Posted waaay late on the prior thread to you too!

There is nothing wrong with being a partisan journalist; journalism has been openly partisan for most of its existence. What is pernicious is attempting to pretend that such partisanship does not exist, and attempting to hide it under a false claim of "objectivity."

The "objectivity" myth is a post-WWII invention. If that, at least, could be accorded the interment it so richly deserves, I for one would be quite willing to grant the media their biases.


Well your first paragraph is indisputably correct; remember Hearst famous you give me the "news" not the facts and I'll give you a war" or somesuch.
But for a long, long time - maybe from the end of WWII - until Vietnam in any event, the MSM was in fact relatively careful to separate reporting "facts" and rendering "opinions" on those facts. It was, indeed, the reason for Editorial and then Op-Ed pages and columns. Today, however, there is not even a pretense of reporting facts - the facts are increasing tinged or colored by the "reporter" or editor's opinions.
That to me is the greatest sin of all with the MSM (other than just making shit up, a la Dan Rather and Mary Mapes). People who get their news from the MSM get it already slanted and biased, for better (rarely) or worse (most common).

264 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:38:54am

re: #259 FurryOldGuyJeans

When it comes to stuff found on the on the internet it is best to treat it as suspect until there is unimpeachable independent confirmation from at least 3 different sources.

okay, I keep that in mind . . . . , 3 sources, aye?

265 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:17am

re: #248 wahabicorridor

Yes, as a matter of fact. Our old LGF buddy Throbert McGee.
.

Lost his job over the Beauchamp fraud?

If you get back from work and see this, are you able to elaborate?

266 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:31am

re: #254 outsidephilly

Ah, that's too bad . . . . , how do you know when something isn't right? (cause I don't want to have to go into that penalty box)

Relax, I'm in charge of nothing around here. Personally anytime a 90' Elvis tells me anything, or a 6' rabbit or the voice from the TV says "Get out" I don't argue, I move.

267 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:12am

re: #237 tfc3rid

Yeah, it hurt to vote for McCain, but I did it. I have no doubt that it was the right vote. Unfortunately, it was also a losing vote. I'd like to hope that Obama would look at how close the vote really, and govern from the Center. I'd like to hope...but I don't think that he will.


I'm afraid that strict gun control will be the first thing he tackles when he is in office. I expect him to have pushed it before the end of his first 100 days.

268 zombie  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:14am

re: #256 doppelganglander

Now that I've belatedly read your post, I see it's mainly a blog event so far. Somehow I'd gotten the impression that there would be gatherings with flag waving and such. I don't have a blog, so I guess I'll just have to keep VI day in my heart.

Not so fast! There is in fact already going to be a "real world" celebration in Minnesota, though it is a private event so I can't publicize it. But I do say in the essay:

One last note: If anyone is planning to hold a "meatspace" (i.e. real world) party or celebration to mark VI Day, send me the details and I will post them here as well

Just because there isn't a public celebration yet, doesn't mean you (or anyone) can't start one!

269 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:19am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

Back up. I know the Lizard Throbert, but is he an ex-msm? WHo is he, how did I miss this?

He worked at The New Republic and blew the whistle on (or, rather, anonymously leaked...) the relationship between Beauchamp and one of the female editors at TNR (and why his wild-assed fiction was never "fact-checked").

270 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:21am

re: #248 wahabicorridor

Yes, as a matter of fact. Our old LGF buddy Throbert McGee.

gotta hop - people are over for a meeting.

And he was fired for posting about the NR cover-up, not for being involved in the perpetration of the fraud. I never did find out what happened to Scotty's girlfriend/fiancee/wife/accomplice, who was a fact-checker there.

271 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:54am

re: #262 Nevergiveup

That really isn't necessarily so. Remember some people are trying to put in 20 for retirement. Others are looking for the benefits. And if the economy is tanking, there might very well be less jobs on the outside. Now if this new Administration starts shrinking the Military, well then all bets are off.

I work at the Pentagon and the transition teams have already descended. The place has gone mad with everybody trying to get out. Could just be a kneejerk reaction - still, I'm looking for a new job myself and I'm just a consultant.

272 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:57am

re: #264 outsidephilly

okay, I keep that in mind . . . . , 3 sources, aye?

at LEAST 3 sources. And checking the credibility of your sources is also not something to ignore.

273 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:41:03am

re: #250 Spiny Norman
Throbert lost his job over that? How the hell did I miss that?!
Sorry Throbert - both for your job loss and for my not being aware of it.

274 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:41:32am

re: #266 lifeofthemind

Relax, I'm in charge of nothing around here. Personally anytime a 90' Elvis tells me anything, or a 6' rabbit or the voice from the TV says "Get out" I don't argue, I move.

well, I'm 4'11" . . . , hardly ever noticed. That is, I WAS hardly noticed.

275 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:41:33am

re: #267 Iron Fist

Nah... I don't see that as being number one... I think he will dabble in the FOCA, Fairness Doctrine and additional government handouts to ordinary citizens and corporations...

276 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:41:36am

re: #269 Spiny Norman

He worked at The New Republic and blew the whistle on (or, rather, anonymously leaked...) the relationship between Beauchamp and one of the female editors at TNR (and why his wild-assed fiction was never "fact-checked").

And was fired?

I guess Sarbanes-Oxley whistle-blower protection doesn't apply here.

277 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:02am

re: #275 tfc3rid

And Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

278 swamprat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:16am

re: #254 outsidephilly

More than one source. And if you can get a story from people who want it not to be true.... better.

Sometimes you have to see through the spin;"Senator Crossaisles is strong-willed/ Senator Crossaisles is a stubborn mule.

Same story spun differently. But the facts are the same.

279 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:18am

re: #267 Iron Fist

Yeah, it hurt to vote for McCain, but I did it. I have no doubt that it was the right vote. Unfortunately, it was also a losing vote. I'd like to hope that Obama would look at how close the vote really, and govern from the Center. I'd like to hope...but I don't think that he will.


I'm afraid that strict gun control will be the first thing he tackles when he is in office. I expect him to have pushed it before the end of his first 100 days.

That flies in the face of the recent Supreme Court decision. Any thoughts on how he might accomplish that?

280 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:37am

re: #272 FurryOldGuyJeans

at LEAST 3 sources. And checking the credibility of your sources is also not something to ignore.

thank y'all, kindly, for your patience with me in the matter ;}

281 wahabicorridor  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:49am

re: #257 Walter L. Newton

Throbert was a loooong time LGF'r He had some personal problems and disappeared for awhile (and I should say I do know him personally a bit - he has been to my house for a meet-up back in 2004). How he ended up at the New Republic I don't know - he is not a journalist - but they blamed him for letting the Scott Beauchamp cat out of the bag - whether it's true or not I don't know.

282 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:02am

re: #253 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - don't get so worked up here! The Dems have always been good party line followers when they were in the minority.
But when they get in the Majority AND control the WH, all the nuttiness that is Dem Congresscritters will rise to the fore - honest!

283 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:14am

This is the world we live in.

Where a news source will fire an employee for telling the truth, but not fire one caught lying.

284 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:20am

re: #271 vapig

I work at the Pentagon and the transition teams have already descended. The place has gone mad with everybody trying to get out. Could just be a kneejerk reaction - still, I'm looking for a new job myself and I'm just a consultant.

Are you talking about senior officers or senior enlisted with 20 already? Do they expect drastic cuts? I am worried about drastic cuts in Active Duty personal and a greater reliance than even now on the Reserve.

285 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:34am

re: #281 wahabicorridor

Throbert was a loooong time LGF'r He had some personal problems and disappeared for awhile (and I should say I do know him personally a bit - he has been to my house for a meet-up back in 2004). How he ended up at the New Republic I don't know - he is not a journalist - but they blamed him for letting the Scott Beauchamp cat out of the bag - whether it's true or not I don't know.

If it's true, he's a real patriot...

286 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:38am

re: #260 dentate

JFK served in the military and understood victory, and that talk is not always the best way to face enemies. He stepped up our involvement in Vietnam to stop the spread of Communism, just as W got us into Iraq to stop Islamic terror. Only, W actually lived to see his victory, while we can only guess how Vietnam would have worked out with JFK still in charge. He lived BEFORE the Democrats went left-looney. This is partly where the comparison to BO, who never served, ends. I think JFK might not be displeased by seeing the celebration of victory on Nov. 22.

JFK ran to the right of RMN in 1960.
His brother RFK was even more hard core, started out as a hatchet man for Joe McCarthy. Their reinvention has been quite a project.

287 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:40am

re: #271 vapig

I work at the Pentagon and the transition teams have already descended. The place has gone mad with everybody trying to get out. Could just be a kneejerk reaction - still, I'm looking for a new job myself and I'm just a consultant.

Do you know if, for instance, the same mad rush for the door happened before Clinton took office? How much is Zero and how much is merely the change of Administrations?

288 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:44:26am

re: #284 Nevergiveup

Are you talking about senior officers or senior enlisted with 20 already? Do they expect drastic cuts? I am worried about drastic cuts in Active Duty personal and a greater reliance than even now on the Reserve.

In the case of the military I actually believe Barney Frank in him saying that there will be a 25% spending cut in the military...

289 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:44:43am

re: #273 realwest

Throbert lost his job over that? How the hell did I miss that?!
Sorry Throbert - both for your job loss and for my not being aware of it.

He posted most of that drama at another site, but yeah, he was a temp at TNR at the time. I'm quite certain he's discussed it here, too.

290 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:45:09am

re: #256 doppelganglander

Now that I've belatedly read your post, I see it's mainly a blog event so far. Somehow I'd gotten the impression that there would be gatherings with flag waving and such. I don't have a blog, so I guess I'll just have to keep VI day in my heart.

Hang a flag and kiss a nurse.

291 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:45:10am

re: #286 lifeofthemind

I don't think a Dem of the philosophy of JFK would be 'allowed' in the party any longer...

292 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:45:29am

re: #265 Silhouette

Lost his job over the Beauchamp fraud?

If you get back from work and see this, are you able to elaborate?

Since wahabicorridor is unavailable, I can tell you Throbert was a contract employee at NR at the time, although I'm not sure in exactly what capacity.Basically, he made some blog posts about the internal goings-on at NR that were traced back to him. I also recall he was let go via a message on his answering machine.

293 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:45:47am

re: #288 tfc3rid

In the case of the military I actually believe Barney Frank in him saying that there will be a 25% spending cut in the military...

Yeah, I heard that. Time will tell.

294 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:46:07am

re: #286 lifeofthemind

Their reinvention has been quite a project.

It helps that Teddy is extremely leftist. Everyone just assumes that is how JFK and RFK would have been, had they lived.

I'm not saying it is logical, but it is there nonetheless.

295 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:46:17am

re: #276 Silhouette

And was fired?

I guess Sarbanes-Oxley whistle-blower protection doesn't apply here.

There was no actual criminal act on TNR's part involved, just a serious lack of journalistic ethics.

296 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:46:54am

re: #282 realwest

Hey Bro' - don't get so worked up here! The Dems have always been good party line followers when they were in the minority.
But when they get in the Majority AND control the WH, all the nuttiness that is Dem Congresscritters will rise to the fore - honest!

Yes! They begin to devour themselves from within! It's fun to watch!

Also, before they begin their feeding frenzy they usually start by over reaching their policies - much to the dismay of the American people. The resulting run-out-on-a-rail ushers in the finger pointing that results in fingers being bitten off!

297 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:46:56am

re: #290 debutaunt

Hang a flag and kiss a nurse.

You sound like one of those bumper stickers I saw 20-odd years ago -- "Kiss a nurse PRN". Are you a nurse?

298 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:47:18am

re: #281 wahabicorridor

Throbert was a loooong time LGF'r He had some personal problems and disappeared for awhile (and I should say I do know him personally a bit - he has been to my house for a meet-up back in 2004). How he ended up at the New Republic I don't know - he is not a journalist - but they blamed him for letting the Scott Beauchamp cat out of the bag - whether it's true or not I don't know.

Ok, you actually went to what I was thinking, but didn't ask. We don't have absolute proof of his involvement, just what had been posted here, yes?

I'm not saying it's not true, but a lot of the comment on this come across as if there was absolute proof he worked there.

That's a lot of shit if they did fire him. Gee, honesty is not a job requirement anymore?

299 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:47:35am

re: #292 doppelganglander

Addendum: That's TNR, not NR. Mea culpa.

300 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #275 tfc3rid

As bad as that will be, I hope you are right. Around here, people are stockpiling guns like there was about to be a war. I've never, not even back in the '90's seen this level of activity. Get 'em while it's legal seems to be the watchword of the day.

301 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:01am

re: #268 zombie

Just because there isn't a public celebration yet, doesn't mean you (or anyone) can't start one!

My husband had agreed to pretend that I'm a nurse in NYC and kiss the hell out of me.

302 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:03am

Would not be shocked if the new order comes up with a 15 year retirement window to clean out the senior ranks at DoD. That and encouraging people with up to 10 years in to go civilian and use the time for a federal civilain pension. They could do it and retire on the spot, at a much lower pension rate but still it would cash them out fast.

303 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:19am

re: #292 doppelganglander

Since wahabicorridor is unavailable, I can tell you Throbert was a contract employee at NR at the time, although I'm not sure in exactly what capacity.Basically, he made some blog posts about the internal goings-on at NR that were traced back to him. I also recall he was let go via a message on his answering machine.

That's what I recall as well. Stay classy, New Republic.

304 outsidephilly  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:02am

bbl - back to work . . . . ,

305 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:15am

True... feels true... same difference.

-msm

So. More air travel joy for me today. Posting with iPhone,?so forgive the terse style.

306 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:28am

re: #300 Iron Fist

As bad as that will be, I hope you are right. Around here, people are stockpiling guns like there was about to be a war. I've never, not even back in the '90's seen this level of activity. Get 'em while it's legal seems to be the watchword of the day.

I don't disagree with that because there will be a grab for guns but I cannot envision an outright banning of handguns... I could see them putting things in place to make purchase and permitting almost impossible...

307 Emperor Norton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:45am

Murdoch said that bloggers "forced Mr. Rather and his producer to resign," but while Rather did resign, his producer, Mary Mapes, was fired. In addition, two other CBS producers and one vice-president were asked to resign.

308 cliffster  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:47am

Still yammering even while they're eating crow. Didn't anyone ever tell them not to talk with their mouths full?

309 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:55am

re: #303 Spiny Norman

That's what I recall as well. Stay classy, New Republic.

Throbert has been popping in here semi-regularly, usually in the late afternoon, if anyone wants to ask him about it.

310 swamprat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:57am

re: #258 outsidephilly

Not even close. Lots of of lizards fell for;

Obama birth certificate non-scandal
Belgium nazi's trying to pass as non-idiots
Nigerian prince giving away.....oops! that was me!

311 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:14am

re: #302 lifeofthemind

Would not be shocked if the new order comes up with a 15 year retirement window to clean out the senior ranks at DoD. That and encouraging people with up to 10 years in to go civilian and use the time for a federal civilain pension. They could do it and retire on the spot, at a much lower pension rate but still it would cash them out fast.

and you know who left the last time they did that? anyone who could GET employment on the outside. So, you know who we were left with? everyone who can't.

312 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:15am

re: #305 occasional reader

True... feels true... same difference.

-msm

So. More air travel joy for me today. Posting with iPhone,?so forgive the terse style.

A strong wind = 2 hour delays on the East Coast...

313 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:32am

re: #284 Nevergiveup

Are you talking about senior officers or senior enlisted with 20 already? Do they expect drastic cuts? I am worried about drastic cuts in Active Duty personal and a greater reliance than even now on the Reserve.

Yes - very drastic cuts. Think of the Clinton cuts and the "do more with less," policy. Also, they think it will bleed into the private sector that depends on the Military for their contracts. They believe Obama when he says he will cut the research technology. Even necessary upgrades will probably be curtailed.

314 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:32am

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

Ok, you actually went to what I was thinking, but didn't ask. We don't have absolute proof of his involvement, just what had been posted here, yes?

I'm not saying it's not true, but a lot of the comment on this come across as if there was absolute proof he worked there.

That's a lot of shit if they did fire him. Gee, honesty is not a job requirement anymore?

I saw the blog posts where he spilled the beans about Beauchamp, which proved to be true. I have no idea where he would have heard them if he wasn't there.

315 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:47am

re: #290 debutaunt

Hang a flag and kiss a nurse.

If you have any handsome male nurses available, I'm in.

316 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:51am

re: #291 tfc3rid
No, it most certainly would not be allowed. JFK had his faults, as do we all, but at heart he was a "liberal" in the best sense of that word.
The Democrats don't have time for liberals anymore - Scoop Jackson woulnd't find room there either - which is why I try to use "Leftist" when describing Democratic Party Mindspeak, it's much more accurate.
For a more recent example, see Joe Lieberman.

317 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:51am

re: #294 Silhouette

It helps that Teddy is extremely leftist. Everyone just assumes that is how JFK and RFK would have been, had they lived.

I'm not saying it is logical, but it is there nonetheless.

RFK started to tack left before he was killed. Given his personality, he was like Sid Vicious Blumenthal or Rahm Emanuel only smoother, his sincerity is pure speculation.

318 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:03am

re: #310 swamprat

Not even close. Lots of of lizards fell for;

Obama birth certificate non-scandal
Belgium nazi's trying to pass as non-idiots
Nigerian prince giving away.....oops! that was me!

Nigerian price giving away what? I just got a check for 100 gazillion dollars from him...

319 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:24am

re: #309 doppelganglander

Throbert has been popping in here semi-regularly, usually in the late afternoon, if anyone wants to ask him about it.

I'm hoping he shows up to give the definitive account.

320 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:31am

re: #313 vapig

And not to mention the end of the missile shield...

321 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:46am

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What story isn't improved by strippers though?

When it's Courtney Love. Ick.

322 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:52:08am

re: #297 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You sound like one of those bumper stickers I saw 20-odd years ago -- "Kiss a nurse PRN". Are you a nurse?

No, but I had an image of the nurse and sailor in NYC when the war ended.

323 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:52:09am

re: #316 realwest

Yes and I see Joe Lieberman as being very Liberal...

324 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:52:59am

re: #306 tfc3rid

I don't disagree with that because there will be a grab for guns but I cannot envision an outright banning of handguns... I could see them putting things in place to make purchase and permitting almost impossible...

Actually, I'd look for a more indirect assault, such as the banning of ammo. You can have all the guns you want. They are useless if you don't have any ammunition.

325 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:12am

re: #320 tfc3rid

And not to mention the end of the missile shield...

Putin will not even have to trade something off for that. Can you say unilateral disarmament?

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:12am

re: #322 debutaunt

No, but I had an image of the nurse and sailor in NYC when the war ended.

Ah ha. Yes.

327 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:12am

re: #321 Hard Right

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What story isn't improved by strippers though?

When it's Courtney Love. Ick.

Unless Courtney Love is played by Heather Graham. Hubba-hubba.

;^)

328 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:24am

re: #300 Iron Fist

As bad as that will be, I hope you are right. Around here, people are stockpiling guns like there was about to be a war. I've never, not even back in the '90's seen this level of activity. Get 'em while it's legal seems to be the watchword of the day.

Civilian legal CAR-15s sold out at my favorite local shop. But I suspect a lot of that is investment, not "preparation".

329 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:44am

re: #325 Nevergiveup

Putin will not even have to trade something off for that. Can you say unilateral disarmament?

Well, aren't we also going to cut the nuclear arsenal?

330 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:11am

re: #316 realwest

Excellent post, strong upding.

331 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:24am

re: #320 tfc3rid

And not to mention the end of the missile shield...

Yes - I expect Poland to be screwed real fast. Treaty or no treaty.

332 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:55:27am

re: #321 Hard Right

When it's Courtney Love. Ick.


To boldly go where thousands have gone before.

333 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:55:55am

re: #329 tfc3rid

Well, aren't we also going to cut the nuclear arsenal?

Well Gates has been intimating that the arsenal has to be desperatley upgraded and the liberals in the house and senate want no part of that. That is one reason I do NOT think Gates is going to be retained himself.

334 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:55:58am

re: #327 Spiny Norman

Unless Courtney Love is played by Heather Graham. Hubba-hubba.

;^)

Nope. Toothpick legs. Salma Hayek or Monica Belucci!

335 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:21am

re: #324 vapig

Actually, I'd look for a more indirect assault, such as the banning of ammo. You can have all the guns you want. They are useless if you don't have any ammunition.

Not banning; too obvious, would fail in court. More like punitive taxes.

336 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:39am

re: #331 vapig

Yes - I expect Poland to be screwed real fast. Treaty or no treaty.

So can we degenerate to Woody Allen jokes now? "My girlfriend dresses like Poland and I dress like ...."

337 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:56am

re: #332 lifeofthemind

To boldly go where thousands have gone before.

Or one of my favorite slam names--Madonna to McDonna

338 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:57:10am

Well all y'all it's been interesting, educational and fun today on LGF, but I must go eat some lunch now!
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

339 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:57:25am

re: #300 Iron Fist

As bad as that will be, I hope you are right. Around here, people are stockpiling guns like there was about to be a war. I've never, not even back in the '90's seen this level of activity. Get 'em while it's legal seems to be the watchword of the day.

I can't find any complete (AR) USGI uppers anywhere. The cheapy stuff is even selling out. And ammo, which should have moved with declining commodity prices, is still going up and getting scarcer.

When the war starts, folks will be well-armed.

340 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:57:34am

re: #335 occasional reader

Not banning; too obvious, would fail in court. More like punitive taxes.

They'll bring back the cop-killer BS. That would ban almost all ammo.

341 firedupengineer  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:57:54am

Re: The Pajama Factor.

The Fairness Doctrine take care of this. There shall be a controlled equal representation of bloggers wearing various forms of attire (or non-attire) posting in the blogsphere.

342 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:58:18am

re: #334 Hard Right

Nope. Toothpick legs. Salma Hayek or Monica Belucci!

You like REAL women. lol

343 bp sf  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:08am

251 soccerdad

I'm watching Rupert's boys take a chainsaw to DJ/WSJ right now. Lotsa good people gave their working lives to that paper. He doesn't give a shit.

344 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:24am

re: #324 vapig

Actually, I'd look for a more indirect assault, such as the banning of ammo. You can have all the guns you want. They are useless if you don't have any ammunition.

Ammo is not hard to make.

345 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:28am

re: #342 bellamags

You like REAL women. lol

Those two have curves that would make a Ferrari jealous.

346 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #339 Sol Roth

There won't be a "war".

347 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:55am

re: #345 Hard Right

Those two have curves that would make a Ferrari jealous.

I must agree.

348 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:00:07am

re: #344 rawmuse

Ammo is not hard to make.

There's been a BIG run on reloading supplies.

349 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:00:12am

re: #258 outsidephilly

geez, did I do a major screw-up?

No.

If you were to persist in posting it - that would would be a major screw up.

350 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:00:14am

Physicist admits exporting US space data to China

Nov 17 02:46 PM US/Eastern

A Chinese-born physicist Monday pleaded guilty before a US court to illegally exporting space launch technical data to China, US officials said.

So much for security?

351 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:00:27am

re: #342 bellamags

You like REAL women. lol

I like Amanda Peat..she has a beautiful smile.. a great laugh..and yea.
She is really pretty too.

352 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:18am

re: #313 vapig

Yes - very drastic cuts. Think of the Clinton cuts and the "do more with less," policy. Also, they think it will bleed into the private sector that depends on the Military for their contracts. They believe Obama when he says he will cut the research technology. Even necessary upgrades will probably be curtailed.

I recall that ALL "next-generation technologies" will be cut, delayed or outright cancelled. Including stuff that is already in production, like the F-22.

Since the F-15Cs on inventory have been grounded (due to the airframes being plain worn out), except for "mission critical" sorties, I'd like to know what the USAF is supposed to do.

FWIW, the F-15 is still in production for foreign customers, so ours could be replaced with new ones, if Congress sees fit to do so...

353 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:29am

re: #346 occasional reader

There won't be a "war".

Okay. We shall call it "provincial unpleasantness" in honor of our new masters. :)

354 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:34am

re: #340 Hard Right

I had heard that they were going after gunpowder.

My Dad was going ballistic(npi) the other day about not being able to get ammo was the thing and I mentioned that I should look in the classifieds for some reloading equipment.

He said that it was the gunpowder that they would go after.

355 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:36am

re: #350 Nevergiveup

The Clinton era is back!

356 johnnyreb  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:40am

re: #302 lifeofthemind

Would not be shocked if the new order comes up with a 15 year retirement window to clean out the senior ranks at DoD. That and encouraging people with up to 10 years in to go civilian and use the time for a federal civilain pension. They could do it and retire on the spot, at a much lower pension rate but still it would cash them out fast.

I beleive the temporary early retirement authorization is still in effect (TERA) from some years back, but it is not currently funded. 15 and out with a severly reduced pension with a one time catch up on COLA at age 62. Some people who took it are still whining today. It wouldn't take much to authorize funding for it really quickly.

357 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:42am

re: #347 bellamags

I must agree.

Desperado and from Dusk Til Dawn for Salma Fans. There was also one where she played a communist lesbian--but she had a unibrow.

For Monica, there are many "revealing" pics of her on the web. And yes, they're real.

358 vapig  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:14am

re: #335 occasional reader

Not banning; too obvious, would fail in court. More like punitive taxes.

I have a friend who suggested that I learn how to make my own.

359 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:27am

I fully respect Nov 22 as VI Day, but it looks like it is today, actually.

Iraq and the United States signed a long-awaited accord on Monday requiring Washington to withdraw its forces by the end of 2011, eight years after the invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

..."Definitely, today is an historic day for Iraqi-American relations," ...

"It reminds us all that, at a time when U.S. forces will continue to withdraw from Iraq in recognition of the superlative security gains over the last few years,...

360 Russkilitlover  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:04am

re: #331 vapig

Yes - I expect Poland to be screwed real fast. Treaty or no treaty.

Treaties haven't been of much benefit to Poland in the past. I'm sure that country is having a distinctively bad feeling of deja vu right about now.

361 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:13am

re: #342 bellamags

You like REAL women. lol

Celebrate diversity, sez I. Monica Monday thru Wed., Salma Thurs. & Fri., Heather on weekend.

362 Outrider  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:32am

re: #284 Nevergiveup

Are you talking about senior officers or senior enlisted with 20 already? Do they expect drastic cuts? I am worried about drastic cuts in Active Duty personal and a greater reliance than even now on the Reserve.

IF one can take the Big O at his word, posted on Change.gov site was the following:

Rebuild the Military for 21st Century Tasks: As we rebuild our armed forces, we must not simply recreate the military of the Cold War era. Obama and Biden believe that we must build up our special operations forces, civil affairs, information operations, and other units and capabilities that remain in chronic short supply; invest in foreign language training, cultural awareness, and human intelligence and other needed counterinsurgency and stabilization skill sets; and create a more robust capacity to train, equip, and advise foreign security forces, so that local allies are better prepared to confront mutual threats.
Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground: Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.
Leadership from the Top: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will restore the ethic of public service to the agenda of today's youth, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first responders, or serving in the military to keep our nation free and safe.
Lighten the Burdens on Our Brave Troops and Their Families: An Obama-Biden administration will create a Military Families Advisory Board to provide a conduit for military families' concerns to be brought to the attention of senior policymakers and the public. Obama and Biden will end the Bush administration's stop-loss policy and establish predictability in deployments so that active duty and reserves know what they can and must expect.

Build Defense Capabilities for the 21st Century
Fully Equip Our Troops for the Missions They Face: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must get vitally needed equipment to our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines before lives are lost. We cannot repeat such failures as the delays in deployment of armored vehicles, body armor and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles that save lives on the frontlines.
Review Weapons Programs: We must rebalance our capabilities to ensure that our forces have the agility and lethality to succeed in both conventional wars and in stabilization and counter-insurgency operations. Obama and Biden have committed to a review of each major defense program in light of current needs, gaps in the field, and likely future threat scenarios in the post-9/11 world.
Preserve Global Reach in the Air: We must preserve our unparalleled airpower capabilities to deter and defeat any conventional competitors, swiftly respond to crises across the globe, and support our ground forces. We need greater investment in advanced technology ranging from the revolutionary, like Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and electronic warfare capabilities, to essential systems like the C-17 cargo and KC-X air refueling aircraft, which provide the backbone of our ability to extend global power.
Maintain Power Projection at Sea: We must recapitalize our naval forces, replacing aging ships and modernizing existing platforms, while adapting them to the 21st century. Obama and Biden will add to the Maritime Pre-Positioning Force Squadrons to support operations ashore and invest in smaller, more capable ships, providing the agility to operate close to shore and the reach to rapidly deploy Marines to global crises.

This is part of it. IF we take him at face value.

363 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:33am

re: #341 firedupengineer

Net Neutrality. Wonder who the Minister of the Internet will be?

Or Czar. They seem to like that word. Seriously. I know I heard "auto czar" the other day.

You can't make this stuff up.

364 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:46am

re: #354 Bumr50

I had heard that they were going after gunpowder.

Because guns don't kill people. Bullets do.

/

365 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:47am

OT (but good survival information)

I just scored 8 dented-price-marked-down cans of vegetables over at the supermarket this morning.

You see, I have this arrangement with about 6 seniors at our local group care home. On Sundays the home takes the seniors over to the supermarket in the little mini-bus.

And my little band of conspirators go up and down the isles, acting old-age clumsy, and drop and dent cans.

And then over night on Sunday, the night crew is re-stocking shelves and culling out the dented cans and the night manager marks them down to bargain basement prices and puts them on the shelf next to the day old bakery products.

I go to the supermarket early Monday morning, buy up all the marked down stuff and I spilt the take with my senior friends.

I'm thinking of organizing this on a large scale, all around the city, a web site to highlight the next hit on a store, the whole routine.

I'll have my 15 minutes of fame in no time, a book deal, an appearance on Orpah and a show on The Food Network.

366 Sol Roth  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:03:54am

re: #344 rawmuse

Ammo is not hard to make.

Primers. They tried that back in the day with a bill to manufacture only primers that decayed and stopped working after a certain date.

Imagine it and they will try it (again).

367 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:04:08am

re: #354 Bumr50

I had heard that they were going after gunpowder.

My Dad was going ballistic(npi) the other day about not being able to get ammo was the thing and I mentioned that I should look in the classifieds for some reloading equipment.

He said that it was the gunpowder that they would go after.


I expect a multifaceted attack. "Assault weapons, "cop killer bullets", and probabaly restrictions on gunpowder to name a few.

368 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:04:47am

re: #356 johnnyreb

I beleive the temporary early retirement authorization is still in effect (TERA) from some years back, but it is not currently funded. 15 and out with a severly reduced pension with a one time catch up on COLA at age 62. Some people who took it are still whining today. It wouldn't take much to authorize funding for it really quickly.

The only good thing in it would be if we had one million veterans move into second careers in teaching. That could start a culture shift.

369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:04:48am

re: #351 HoosierHoops

I like Amanda Peat..she has a beautiful smile.. a great laugh..and yea.
She is really pretty too.

Me, Lucy Lawless and a week fully paid in Vegas is all I'm asking for.

370 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:04:50am

re: #351 HoosierHoops

I like Amanda Peat..she has a beautiful smile.. a great laugh..and yea.
She is really pretty too.

smiles are important. I had the choice recently between two. One hardly laughed or smiled but was more handsome and "hip" than the other. The other loves life, avoids drama and has a great smile and a great laugh. Hearing him laugh made me laugh. I choose the laugher and smiler because of that.

371 DeafDog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:03am

re: #362 Outrider

This is part of it. IF we take him at face value.

He said he was against defecits until he got elected. Now, defecits don't matter.

I would but zero stock in his campaign promises.

372 JimmyTheClaw  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:27am

re: #135 bellamags

My hubby and I bought a little plastic gun that shoots suction cup tipped darts. They would stick real good on the TV screen. It was quite a release of anger.

i use rolled up socks

373 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:28am

re: #355 lifeofthemind

The Clinton era is back!

Indeed. Expect the Obama White House to look remarkably like Clinton's, and just as corrupt.

374 Outrider  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:39am

re: #340 Hard Right

They'll bring back the cop-killer BS. That would ban almost all ammo.

Do you have ready statistics that show IF ANY of this has ever actually been used against LEOs more than once or twice nationwide? I've not heard of any cases myself.

375 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:18am

re: #373 Spiny Norman

Indeed. Expect the Obama White House to look remarkably like Clinton's, and just as corrupt.

More corrupt. Obama learned politics in Chicago.

376 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:24am

re: #354 Bumr50

I had no trouble stocking up .45 acp jhp's this weekend, fwiw.

377 Spiny Norman  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:27am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

LMAO!

378 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:28am

re: #370 bellamags

smiles are important. I had the choice recently between two. One hardly laughed or smiled but was more handsome and "hip" than the other. The other loves life, avoids drama and has a great smile and a great laugh. Hearing him laugh made me laugh. I choose the laugher and smiler because of that.

I'm generally happy if they are breathing!

379 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:51am

re: #367 Hard Right

In any case, they will avoid the words "gun" and "ban" like the plague.

Kind of like "fairness" and "doctrine" are being phased out for "localism."

380 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:52am

re: #367 Hard Right

I expect a multifaceted attack. "Assault weapons, "cop killer bullets", and probabaly restrictions on gunpowder to name a few.

And registration, registration, registration.

For bullets, for 'legacy' weapons purchased before registration, for weapons traded, sold, or gifted between two regular citizens, etc.

381 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:55am

re: #372 JimmyTheClaw

i use rolled up socks

That would work. Colmes looks funny with a dart on his forehead.

382 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:07:22am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

I'm generally happy if they are breathing!

jeez. thats funny.

383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:07:26am

re: #381 bellamags

That would work. Colmes looks funny with a dart on his forehead.

384 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:07:32am

re: #374 Outrider

Do you have ready statistics that show IF ANY of this has ever actually been used against LEOs more than once or twice nationwide? I've not heard of any cases myself.

I haven't heard of any either. It wasn't distributed to civilians.

385 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:07:43am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

I'm generally happy if they are breathing!

And if they want to see me again is a keeper.

386 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:08:05am

re: #383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

touche.

387 FrogMarch  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:08:16am

re: #18 Charles

Note that Bill O'Reilly defended Dan Rather:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That was sheer stupidity on his part. Total ignorance.

388 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:08:27am

re: #381 bellamags

That would work. Colmes looks funny with a dart on his forehead.

Colmes looks funny with his head on... period.

389 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:08:37am

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Milla Jovovich, some air, and a planar surface. Gravity optional.

390 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:08:38am

re: #368 lifeofthemind

The only good thing in it would be if we had one million veterans move into second careers in teaching. That could start a culture shift.

I did. Let's go! We have to get education out of enemy hands. I don't hope for counter-education on a conservative mind-set.

I just want it away from this "it's okay if you're stupid, so long as you feel good about yourself and think everybody else is just dandy, too."

391 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:05am

re: #385 FurryOldGuyJeans

And if they want to see me again is a keeper.

You got that.

392 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:07am

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

Colmes looks funny with his head on... period.

HA HA . Did you see his wife on TV the other night? surprisingly pretty.

393 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:11am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

I'm generally happy if they are breathing!

It depends what the definition of "are" is.

394 CIA Reject  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:12am

re: #373 Spiny Norman

Indeed. Expect the Obama White House to look remarkably like Clinton's, and just as corrupt.

All the competence of Jimmy Carter, all the ethical integrity of Bill Clinton- welcome to the David Dinkins administration reloaded.

395 occasional reader  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:21am

re: #369 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Me, Lucy Lawless and a week fully paid in Vegas is all I'm asking for.

I knew it; you're a lesbian.

396 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:26am

the average person will not be happy when they come after their guns too.
I'm thinking it will be a one term obama administration.

397 doppelganglander  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:32am

re: #359 Silhouette

Doesn't that take the wind out of Obie's sails. Now how is he going to surrender?

398 hermit  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:51am

re: #380 Silhouette

And registration, registration, registration.

You think ACORN could help? heh.

399 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:08am

re: #370 bellamags

smiles are important. I had the choice recently between two. One hardly laughed or smiled but was more handsome and "hip" than the other. The other loves life, avoids drama and has a great smile and a great laugh. Hearing him laugh made me laugh. I choose the laugher and smiler because of that.

I am very impressed with you...
I knew that when I met the world's most beautiful woman and married her that if I didn't keep her laughing there would be trouble..
I smile alot at her...
/ and have often wondered..How the hell did this happen? I am a lucky guy.

400 Outrider  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:08am

re: #384 Hard Right

I haven't heard of any either. It wasn't distributed to civilians.

I'm quite sure if these weapons and ammo were being used routinely against LEOs, it would be highlighted bigtime. It goes back to the argument of how many LEGAL gun owners actually commit crimes with their guns as opposed to thugs with stolen or hot guns.

401 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:30am

re: #395 occasional reader

I knew it; you're a lesbian.

Yup, trapped in a man's body.

402 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:36am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

A simple can denter! For $19.99, you can create low, low prices!

403 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:38am

re: #389 Bumr50

Milla Jovovich, some air, and a planar surface. Gravity optional.

gotta have gravity to make it work.

404 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:39am

re: #395 occasional reader

I knew it; you're a lesbian.

I happen to like lesbians myself. You can go cruising for women together. ;)

405 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:52am

re: #389 Bumr50

Milla Jovovich, some air, and a planar surface. Gravity optional.

Gotcha. Anytime I get worried, and wonder if I'm breathing, I turn on "The Fifth Element," about 23 minutes into the movie. You know what I mean.

406 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:59am

re: #385 FurryOldGuyJeans

And if they want to see me again is a keeper.


It depends what the definition of "see" is.
OK I'll stop now.

407 Max Darkside  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:37am
This is a polite way of saying that these editors and reporters think their readers are too stupid to think for themselves.

And so they, the all knowing ones, with infinite wisdom and world-view, choose Obama because the masses are incapable of making such a critical choice themselves. And knowing they are righteous, manipulate the truth so their idiot drone readers do the "right" thing.

Charles, this and the previous post go together so very well. Like salt and pepper. Thanks!

408 Outrider  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:46am

re: #406 lifeofthemind

It depends what the definition of "see" is.
OK I'll stop now.

Third letter in the alphabet isn't it? ;-)>

409 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:55am

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

Gotcha. Anytime I get worried, and wonder if I'm breathing, I turn on "The Fifth Element," about 23 minutes into the movie. You know what I mean.

Big Badda Boom

410 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:13am

re: #387 FrogMarch

O'Reilly has compromised his effectiveness by pandering to those who could damage his image, and I think he's smart enough to realize that we should know that by now.
His mainstream popularity is still crucial to the bigger, conservative point of view I think. And he has made unpopular adjustments in order to maintain his guest list and his watchability to most mindsets.

411 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:20am

re: #383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Colmes wife was on H&C last week... Alan is married to Monica Crowley's sister...

412 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:28am

re: #402 debutaunt

A simple can denter! For $19.99, you can create low, low prices!

And I can get Billy Mays to pitch it!

413 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:29am

re: #239 zombie

My biggest error was scheduling it on the same day as the JFK assassination anniversary. Maybe I should have chosen the 23rd. Oh well -- too late for that! No regrets.

Zombie, I dig your VI page. Great work!

414 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:35am

re: #397 doppelganglander

Doesn't that take the wind out of Obie's sails. Now how is he going to surrender?

I believe that this will get little or no coverage, and then when the pullout continues under Obama, he will get all the credit for ending the war.

Which is why it behooves all of us to make a HUGE deal about this. Email every blog, tell all your friends, invite the whole office to a VI party in the breakroom on the 22nd, etc.

415 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:13:05am

re: #389 Bumr50

Milla Jovovich, some air, and a planar surface. Gravity optional.

Katharine Heigl

416 Bumr50  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:13:30am

re: #403 bellamags

Oh yeah? I thought friction was the operative force!

417 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:13:48am

re: #328 occasional reader

Civilian legal CAR-15s sold out at my favorite local shop. But I suspect a lot of that is investment, not "preparation".

Yep, if they're outlawed, their value will increase.

418 bellamags  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:05am

re: #399 HoosierHoops

I am very impressed with you...
I knew that when I met the world's most beautiful woman and married her that if I didn't keep her laughing there would be trouble..
I smile alot at her...
/ and have often wondered..How the hell did this happen? I am a lucky guy.

That is totally sweet. You are lucky and so is your wife because you feel that way. I am not with my husband anymore. We had some good times and he is great. We laughed a lot but there were other issues that could not be resolved. We are still friends and I hope he meets someone he will be happy with.

I just hope I keep the new laugher laughing! He is a little "commitment shy" so we shall see.

419 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:11am

re: #398 hermit

You think ACORN could help? heh.

Jokes aside, I think they would love to help get a list of every gun owner in this country.

The problem is, they don't know how to get real lists. They'd end up sitting in the public library with the phone books open, making crap up.

420 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:18am

re: #411 tfc3rid

Colmes wife was on H&C last week... Alan is married to Monica Crowley's sister...


Proving that God is infinitely generous and that there is hope for all of us.

421 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:45am

re: #415 tfc3rid

Katharine Heigl

Yes, she's quite nice.

422 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:46am

re: #279 vapig

He'll ignore it. I think the first thing up will be a re-authorization of the "Assault Weapons" ban. He'll claim that these are weapons of extreme power, so the Federal Government has the authority to regulate them. The Court might or might not throw that out. Four justices for each side is a given. I just don't know where kennedy would come down on the question.

Heller has made it harder for him to go after handguns. I don't expect to see him go after them promptly. It'd just be set up to get into a pissing match with the Supreme Court. He can't be too confident as to how that will turn out.

There is some scuttlebutt going around that Obama may try to take on the "shall issue" concealed carry laws. If he does it will be a big mistake. That would be the Federal Government inserting its nose where it had no business.

Another thing that I worry about is them raising the tax on ammo through the roof. We'd still be able to buy ammo legally, but the cost would be prohibitive.

Those are my short-term fears. I could also see them going after .50 caliber rifles because no one "needs" one. It just depends. They aren't really looking for crime control. Gun control is not effective for that. They simply want to outlaw as many weapons as they can, for the sake of making them illegal.

423 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:53am

re: #400 Outrider

I'm quite sure if these weapons and ammo were being used routinely against LEOs, it would be highlighted bigtime. It goes back to the argument of how many LEGAL gun owners actually commit crimes with their guns as opposed to thugs with stolen or hot guns.

They'll pretend it's meant to protect cops. They'll say they want to ban armor piercing ammo. There's the rub. Soft body armor is rated at different levels and designed to stop certain calibers absed on bullet weight and velocity. So a .308 lead core bullet meant for hunting deer that can penetrate a level IIA vest that isn't designed to stop it, becomes an armor piercing bullet. This standard would be applied to all bullets. This back dooe ban has been attempted twice that I'm aware of.

424 gregg  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:15:51am

Looks like Al Gore is gonna get the Michael Moore treatment (not by Moore but some Irish film makers) - can't wait:
Film-makers taking on our 'global warming hysteria':

A new Irish film claims that climate change guru Al Gore is an alarmist and that those who think they are saving the planet are only hurting the poor

IF THE ADVANCE publicity is anything to go by, Not Evil Just Wrong will do for Al Gore what Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 did for George W Bush.

"This is the film Al Gore and Hollywood don't want you to see," declares the website for the latest work by film-makers Ann McElhinney and Phelim McAleer. The site even features a big picture of Gore, with his lips in the photograph seemingly digitally enhanced to make them look like Heath Ledger's Joker from the latest Batman film.

425 Russkilitlover  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:16:28am

re: #365 Walter L. Newton

OT (but good survival information)

I just scored 8 dented-price-marked-down cans of vegetables over at the supermarket this morning.

You see, I have this arrangement with about 6 seniors at our local group care home. On Sundays the home takes the seniors over to the supermarket in the little mini-bus.

And my little band of conspirators go up and down the isles, acting old-age clumsy, and drop and dent cans.

And then over night on Sunday, the night crew is re-stocking shelves and culling out the dented cans and the night manager marks them down to bargain basement prices and puts them on the shelf next to the day old bakery products.

I go to the supermarket early Monday morning, buy up all the marked down stuff and I spilt the take with my senior friends.

I'm thinking of organizing this on a large scale, all around the city, a web site to highlight the next hit on a store, the whole routine.

I'll have my 15 minutes of fame in no time, a book deal, an appearance on Orpah and a show on The Food Network.

Uh.....isn't that just a tad dishonest?

426 Hard Right  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:11am

re: #422 Iron Fist

He'll ignore it. I think the first thing up will be a re-authorization of the "Assault Weapons" ban. He'll claim that these are weapons of extreme power, so the Federal Government has the authority to regulate them. The Court might or might not throw that out. Four justices for each side is a given. I just don't know where kennedy would come down on the question.

Heller has made it harder for him to go after handguns. I don't expect to see him go after them promptly. It'd just be set up to get into a pissing match with the Supreme Court. He can't be too confident as to how that will turn out.

There is some scuttlebutt going around that Obama may try to take on the "shall issue" concealed carry laws. If he does it will be a big mistake. That would be the Federal Government inserting its nose where it had no business.

Another thing that I worry about is them raising the tax on ammo through the roof. We'd still be able to buy ammo legally, but the cost would be prohibitive.

Those are my short-term fears. I could also see them going after .50 caliber rifles because no one "needs" one. It just depends. They aren't really looking for crime control. Gun control is not effective for that. They simply want to outlaw as many weapons as they can, for the sake of making them illegal.

5 RINOs have re-introduced the assault weapons ban bill.

427 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:33am

re: #409 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Big Badda Boom

I got multi-pass

You know, Mila has been hailed as another pretty face/body, and she does do a heck of a lot of movies that require barely NO dialog, but, let me tell you, as an actor myself, she knows what she is doing.

Her part in The Fifth Element was not easy. Her husband, the director, Luc Besson, developed a whole vocabulary for "the perfect being." That was not just her mumbling gibberish.

And if you watch her closely, her reactions to her surroundings were amazing.

half of good acting is reacting and some of the most demanding roles are those with very little dialog but a lot of reaction. It's not easy to maintain a character with just your expressions and body english.

428 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:57am

re: #422 Iron Fist

I think the government will attempt to kep raising the cost of ownership... I think they will attempt to 'ban' guns and ammo the way they are trying to 'ban' smoking, namely, taxation, taxation, taxation...