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Open • Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 10:06 pm PST • Views: 142

There are several good protections against temptation, but the surest is cowardice.

— Mark Twain

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1 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:50pm

Brains...brrraaaiiinnnsss...

2 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:53pm

Step by step
Inch by inch
Slowly I turned

3 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:09:43pm

I can resist everything except temptation.

4 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:10:21pm

re: #2 lifeofthemind

NIAGRA FALLS!?!?!

5 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:10:53pm

re: #3 BakaRanger

Give in to temptation, it may never come your way again.

6 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:08pm

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it

    -- Omar Khayyam

7 victor_yugo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:32pm

Opportunity knocks but once.

Temptation kicks in the door.

8 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:02pm

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).
- Mark Twain

The Republicans forgot that one

9 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:54pm

Excuse me, I'm looking for the Susquehanna Hat Company.

10 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:58pm

New Philadelphia mural honors three fallen police officers. (One of whom was my friend, Chuck Cassidy.)

11 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:14:12pm

re: #6 Opilio

He who writes on shithouse walls
Roll thy shit into little balls;
He who reads these lines of wit
eat those little balls of shit

-- Some bathroom wall at DeVry, 1979

12 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:15:38pm

re: #3 BakaRanger

I can resist everything except temptation.

Attrition: Oscar Wilde

13 ex-DU Jimbo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:15:53pm

Another good protection against temptation is old age. ;(

14 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:16:46pm

re: #12 LeePro

Attrition: Oscar Wilde

Oscar eliminating uncooperative wits?

15 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:26pm

re: #3 BakaRanger

I can resist everything except temptation.

The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.

16 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:49pm

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

17 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:52pm

re: #11 Macker

He who writes on shithouse walls
Roll thy shit into little balls;
He who reads these lines of wit
eat those little balls of shit

-- Some bathroom wall at DeVry, 1979

There once was a girl from Nantuckett, ...

18 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:53pm

re: #14 lifeofthemind

Oscar eliminating uncooperative wits?

HA!

19 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:40pm

Hey does anyone out here know anyone at Gateway?
Seriously - I ordered and paid for a Restoration Disk on October 26th. Got a bunch of yada yada e-mails and tonight got directed to the Gateway Forum where I put down all the information again, said Becky employee #xxx had told me on November 7th that the restore disk should be shipped to me via FedEx in the next 2-3 months. I received a reply from the "Forum" from a "Dean" that their records show that FedEx delivered the Restore Disk on November 4th under FedEx tracking #xxx.
I wrote them back, said I'd never recieved it, who did they send it too and would they please check with FedEx and see who the hell FedEx says they delivered it to.
No response yet.

20 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:41pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

I think it is, but your mileage may differ.

21 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:44pm

re: #15 MandyManners

The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.

Where were you when I was a younger man?

22 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:59pm

re: #17 Opilio

THAT'S ENOUGH MR. DATA!

/Picard

23 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:18pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Oh, ick. Some might think it trivializes Daniel Pearl.

24 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:20pm

re: #19 realwest
PIMF two to three business weeks (not months).

25 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:32pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Definitely fatwa-worthy to some, but diff'rent strokes . . .

26 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:17pm

re: #23 MandyManners

Oh, ick. Some might think it trivializes Daniel Pearl.

Or Nicholas Berg. Or even that poor, pitiful Englishman. Or any number of others.

27 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:31pm

re: #21 Opilio

Where were you when I was a younger man?

In a van down by the river.

28 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:35pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Email me. I got a better one for ya!

29 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:36pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Word

30 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:08pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Um...don't bother knockin'?

/snicker

31 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:36pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Too soon.

32 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:52pm

re: #14 lifeofthemind

Oscar eliminating uncooperative wits?

Attribution! ! !

: : : gah! : : :

33 soccerdad  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:23:16pm

re: #29 lifeofthemind

Word

seconded...not what we need here.

Charles...cleanup on aisle 15

34 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:25pm

re: #33 soccerdad

seconded...not what we need here.

Charles...cleanup on aisle 15

15, 16, whatever it takes...

35 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:31pm

Wow... look at all the newbies!

36 soccerdad  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:34pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Sentiment is OK -- display is not!

37 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #19 realwest

Have you gone to Fedex's site and entered the tracking #?

38 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #35 logboy

Wow... look at all the newbies!

Can't tell them without a scorecard.

39 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:25:43pm

re: #12 LeePro
Hey Lee! Didja get my e-mail?!

40 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:26:03pm

If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
- John Wayne

41 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:36pm

Okay, feedback appreciated, noted, and heeded.

42 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:47pm

re: #40 Desert Dog

If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
- John Wayne

Charles Colson, I believe.

43 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:56pm

The voice in the TV is saying go to sleep, and the TV is turned off.

44 Clemente  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:39pm

@Zombie -

Comparing the source between your current and previous post's comment forms, I immediately note a front-slash terminating the body of each input tag in the new form, not present in the old. There may be other differences as well.

Have you tried cutting the old comment form, pasting (to overwrite) on the new comment page, and incrementing the hidden comment post id value from 78 to 79?

Might work...

/am I too late again?

45 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:43pm

re: #43 lifeofthemind

The voice in the TV is saying go to sleep, and the TV is turned off.

"They're heerree!"

46 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:58pm

More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
- Woody Allen

47 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:19pm

I just logged on, I have my popcorn, I'm waiting for some blood and gore. Come on lizards where is this evenings controversy.

48 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:22pm

re: #39 realwest

Hey Lee! Didja get my e-mail?!

Yup. Got it.
Doing pretty well. Eating not so great. Apparently dental lab thinks if visibly pretty, then no problem. Forget functionality!

49 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:34pm

re: #42 Moe Katz

I didn't think John Wayne was known for his sayings...

50 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:37pm

re: #26 Dianna

Or Nicholas Berg. Or even that poor, pitiful Englishman. Or any number of others.

Too many.

51 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:52pm

re: #30 Macker

Um...don't bother knockin'?

/snicker

Chris Farley!

52 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:52pm

How's it going Realwest?

53 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:30:49pm

re: #49 Desert Dog

I didn't think John Wayne was known for his sayings...

I'm Googling it now. It's associated with both of them, but you'd have to classify it as "attribution uncertain."

54 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:31:23pm

re: #50 MandyManners
Are you going to reach 62,000 comments tonight? You are a busy Ms.

55 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:32:58pm

re: #50 MandyManners

Too many.

Far, far too many. One was too many.

Anyway, I wrote well tonight, and it's time for bed.

When this gets published, I'm gonna hate the fan mail.

56 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:07pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
- Woody Allen

Should we really be looking to Woody Allen for "the wisdom to choose correctly?"

57 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:19pm

re: #56 Wyatt Earp

I do not care for him as a person for many reasons, but I think that is a funny quote. It maybe to close to the reality of the day though...

58 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:50pm

re: #56 Wyatt Earp

Should we really be looking to Woody Allen for "the wisdom to choose correctly?"

Which Woody Allen? The writer, or the man?

I don't attribute to writers either the virtues or the vices of their characters. I sincerely hope no one ever attributes either to me!

59 ggt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:57pm

I'm getting tired.

weet dreams all!

60 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:35:54pm

re: #35 logboy

Yeah, it's a real pain when they don't eat their egg shells. The crunching sound when you're walking around is just bloody annoying.

61 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:09pm

re: #59 ggt

I'm getting tired.

weet dreams all!

Hmmm was the 'sweet dreams' or 'wet dreams'?

62 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:21pm

re: #54 Haverwilde

Are you going to reach 62,000 comments tonight? You are a busy Ms.

Now here's a good point. Charles. Which Lizard has the most comments?

/I sure don't!

63 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:33pm

re: #19 realwest

Hey does anyone out here know anyone at Gateway?
Seriously - I ordered and paid for a Restoration Disk on October 26th. Got a bunch of yada yada e-mails and tonight got directed to the Gateway Forum where I put down all the information again, said Becky employee #xxx had told me on November 7th that the restore disk should be shipped to me via FedEx in the next 2-3 months. I received a reply from the "Forum" from a "Dean" that their records show that FedEx delivered the Restore Disk on November 4th under FedEx tracking #xxx.
I wrote them back, said I'd never recieved it, who did they send it too and would they please check with FedEx and see who the hell FedEx says they delivered it to.
No response yet.

Wow, here I was going to lurk for a while before posting, since it's my first night here as a member.

I used to work for FedEx. When you run the tracking code at FedEx where does it say it is?

Also, why are you restoring your Gateway?

64 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:38:22pm

re: #52 logboy
Been better logboy - Effin Gateway has me really pissed off. On Nov 7th they said they'd ship the restoration disk within 2-3 business weeks and now they are telling me that it was delivered on November 4th and gave me a FedEx Tracking number.
I asked how could it be that it was delivered to me on November 4th when a Gateway employee (ID'd by name and "badge number") told me three days AFTER THAT that the restore CD would be delivered by Fed Ex within 2-3 business weeks and they haven't effin' responded!
Shit.
Anyway, I sure hope you're doing well!

65 ggt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:38:36pm

re: #61 Haverwilde

your pick.

66 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:18pm

re: #63 NoGardtheGreat

Welcome, NoGard!

67 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:24pm

Goodnight all. Speaking of temptation.
::restrains self from "new comments" button.
the big red, candylike button.

68 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:40pm

re: #58 Dianna

Which Woody Allen? The writer, or the man?

I don't attribute to writers either the virtues or the vices of their characters. I sincerely hope no one ever attributes either to me!

True enough. He is a talented writer trapped inside the body of a troubled man.

69 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:49pm

re: #65 ggt

your pick.


Hmm, I think I'll take both, just for a change.

70 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:04pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

Yeah, it's a real pain when they don't eat their egg shells. The crunching sound when you're walking around is just bloody annoying.

I imagine a few will stick around, a few trolls will get booted, a few conspiricists will get banned for nirth certificate posts, and a few creationists will piss Charles off and get banned as well. But all in all, we'll have a jolly good time getting there. Good times, good times...

71 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:34pm

re: #48 LeePro
What? Uh, is your dental lab by any chance run by Gateway (see my #64!)?!

On a more serious note, are they gonna leave it like that or did they say they'd improve the functionality?!

72 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:20pm

re: #49 Desert Dog
What are ya sayin' there, Pligrim?

73 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:21pm

re: #54 Haverwilde

Are you going to reach 62,000 comments tonight? You are a busy Ms.

I had no idea. Wow.

74 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:24pm

re: #64 realwest

I'd just get my money back and buy locally. I'm sorry you're having such a bad time.

75 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:25pm

re: #64 realwest

Been better logboy - Effin Gateway has me really pissed off. On Nov 7th they said they'd ship the restoration disk within 2-3 business weeks and now they are telling me that it was delivered on November 4th and gave me a FedEx Tracking number.
I asked how could it be that it was delivered to me on November 4th when a Gateway employee (ID'd by name and "badge number") told me three days AFTER THAT that the restore CD would be delivered by Fed Ex within 2-3 business weeks and they haven't effin' responded!
Shit.
Anyway, I sure hope you're doing well!


I'm sorry about the computer. I junked my gateways long ago for the same reasons. I still have an ancient one that has windows server 2000 on it, but thats it.

76 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:59pm

re: #55 Dianna

Sweet dreams!

77 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:44pm

re: #68 Wyatt Earp

True enough. He is a talented writer trapped inside the body of a troubled man.

Too often, that's true. It's why I tend to avoid knowing too much about writers whose work I like.

Says the woman who's neck deep in Christabel, right now.

78 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:48pm

re: #73 MandyManners

I had no idea. Wow.


Mandy's always talking. We can't shut her up! I tried once and she put me in a headlock.

79 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #76 MandyManners

Sweet dreams!

I can take a hint!

Goodnight, lizards!

Take good care.

80 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:45:00pm

re: #78 logboy

I would watch it if I were you. She wields an awfully mean clue-by-four.

/it stings a lot.

81 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:46:59pm

re: #74 Dianna
Wish I could but I bought this sucker at Best Buy in Feb of '07 with a 3 year extended home warranty.
Geek squad had a "new" motherboard, new CD/W system and new hard drive delivered. Installed CD, works just fine. Inserted new motherboard - kaput - apparently (according to Geek Squad tech who was doin' all this) Gateway musta reconditioned a motherboard, sealed it up in nice shiny paper and sent it out - but it's broken and can't put in new HD without the Disk that'll restore my OS and drivers.
Shit.

82 victor_yugo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:47:59pm

re: #78 logboy

Mandy's always talking. We can't shut her up! I tried once and she put me in a headlock.

Hey, if I try to shut her up, will she put me in a headlock, too? Cool!

83 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:05pm

Has everyone completed Christmas shopping?

84 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:18pm

re: #71 realwest

What? Uh, is your dental lab by any chance run by Gateway (see my #64!)?!

On a more serious note, are they gonna leave it like that or did they say they'd improve the functionality?!

HA!

Already re-"tooled" twice. Will keep going back 'til they get it right. Frustrating as hell, but I don't dole out $4,000 for fun and games! ! !

/very pithed off!

85 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:34pm

Well hell, I'm exhausted and am gonna try to go to sleep now, hope you all have a GREAT EVEING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Good night, all.

86 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:44pm

re: #48 LeePro

{LeePro} It's good to see you. I keep missing you on these threads.

87 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:58pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Christmas what? I don't do that until at least a week before. Or if I don't have the time off, a week after. :)

88 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:15pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Has everyone completed Christmas shopping?

Ha! You realize most of us here are men, right?

89 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:38pm

re: #10 Wyatt Earp

May he rest in peace.

90 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:48pm

Oh, my. Look at the time. Goodnight, Lizards.

91 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:02pm

Not Realwest, I'm not far behind you. My head is pounding out of its skull.

92 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:09pm

re: #84 LeePro

{LeePro}, just borrow Mandy's clue-by-four if they don't get it right next time. That should shape them up pretty darn quick.

93 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:23pm

re: #91 logboy

Not Realwest, I'm not far behind you. My head is pounding out of its skull.

Meant to say Night, not "not".

94 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:01pm

Night logboy, keep those logs a rolling.

95 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:26pm

Thought the nirth sirtifikit stuff was fun? Get ready for the fake Selective Service Registration scandal!

/Catchy name to be decided later

96 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:56pm

re: #94 BlueCanuck

Night logboy, keep those logs a rolling.

Keep an eye on things here so the newbs don't burn the place down while the rest of us are gone!

97 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:52:23pm

How many here think that Al Franken will "win" Minnesota's senate seat?
Is the fix in like it was in Washington state when it was close and Christine Gregoire "squeaked" by Dino Rossi? If it is stolen what court is going to invalidate it?

98 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:05pm

re: #27 MandyManners

ROFL...
If this van is rockin...

99 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:13pm

re: #89 CalBear84

May he rest in peace.

Thank you. He was a great cop and an even better man.

100 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:46pm

re: #66 Macker

Welcome, NoGard!

Thanks! And as I die hard Trekker I have no idea who that is ;-)

101 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:02pm

re: #96 logboy

Of course, it's part of the night shift job. :)

102 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:09pm

re: #95 gmsc

Thought the nirth sirtifikit stuff was fun? Get ready for the fake Selective Service Registration scandal!

/Catchy name to be decided later


I saw that posted here 2 days ago. I thought, do these people EVER give up? What next, a drivers license scandal? "He's not legal to drive! He skipped drivers ed!" Give it a rest people.

103 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:24pm

re: #86 Pvt Bin Jammin

{LeePro} It's good to see you. I keep missing you on these threads.

Hey {PBJ}!

Up until last weekend, heavy-duty 8th grade (my handiwork → Class of 1956) reunion planning. HUGE success!

Been lurking, coupla drive-by comments... not staying long tonight either.

:D

104 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:00pm

re: #88 logboy

Ha! You realize most of us here are men, right?

'scuse me?

wait...




nope... girl here!

105 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:09pm

re: #102 logboy

I saw that posted here 2 days ago. I thought, do these people EVER give up? What next, a drivers license scandal? "He's not legal to drive! He skipped drivers ed!" Give it a rest people.

Agreed. This is getting so out of hand. He won, we lost. Let's move on, please.

106 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:26pm

re: #103 LeePro

Heh, "Dinner: 6 PM --- until they make us leave." :)

liked that bit.

107 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:57:36pm

re: #104 LeePro

He said most, not all. But I think he's just assuming things. With all the gun talk it tends to get confusing.

108 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:58:00pm

re: #92 BlueCanuck

{LeePro}, just borrow Mandy's clue-by-four if they don't get it right next time. That should shape them up pretty darn quick.

{Blue}

Heh!
Got one of my own... and the mouth to operate it with. They've already gotten a preview. They're about to get both barrels! ! !

109 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:25pm

re: #97 BakaRanger

How many here think that Al Franken will "win" Minnesota's senate seat?
Is the fix in like it was in Washington state when it was close and Christine Gregoire "squeaked" by Dino Rossi? If it is stolen what court is going to invalidate it?


The recount hasn't started yet, so don't believe everything you hear. Unless of course you have the ability to predict the future, to which I would reply, with a loud and resounding "screw it all!" before storming out of the room.

110 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:49pm

re: #95 gmsc

Thought the nirth sirtifikit stuff was fun? Get ready for the fake Selective Service Registration scandal!

/Catchy name to be decided later

Selective selective service.

111 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:00:01pm

re: #104 LeePro

'scuse me?

wait...


nope... girl here!

I said most.. not all!

112 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:49pm

re: #109 logboy

The recount hasn't started yet, so don't believe everything you hear. Unless of course you have the ability to predict the future, to which I would reply, with a loud and resounding "screw it all!" before storming out of the room.

Not a prediction but a repeat of history.

113 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:01pm

WHOA Hey - anyone got a url for Federal Express?

114 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:18pm

re: #103 LeePro

I've lurked a lot lately too. By the time I see your comments, it's hours later.

Glad your eighth grade reunion turned out great. Good for you!

Our daughter just had her high school twentieth on Saturday night. She had a blast. Said she drove by our house at 4:00 AM. I told her she should have dropped in and woke me up. It would have been like the old days when she still lived at home and would tell me all about what fun she had.

115 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:59pm

re: #105 Wyatt Earp

Agreed. This is getting so out of hand. He won, we lost. Let's move on, please.


Just for the fun of it, how long do you think the new SSS scandal will stick around? The other one seems annoyingly persistent.

116 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:04:56pm

re: #99 Wyatt Earp

Whenever I see a law enforcement official at the coffee shop, I pay for his / her beverage. It's a thrill to see how grateful they are to be acknowledged for their service, even in such a small way.

117 BignJames  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:10pm

re: #113 realwest


[Link: fedex.com...]

118 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:56pm

re: #116 CalBear84

Whenever I see a law enforcement official at the coffee shop, I pay for his / her beverage. It's a thrill to see how grateful they are to be acknowledged for their service, even in such a small way.

I don't idealize them. Some are good people, some I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley.

119 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:35pm

re: #97 BakaRanger

If that ***che nozzle wins a Senate seat I may have to renounce US citizenship.

120 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:07:18pm

re: #97 BakaRanger

How many here think that Al Franken will "win" Minnesota's senate seat?
Is the fix in like it was in Washington state when it was close and Christine Gregoire "squeaked" by Dino Rossi? If it is stolen what court is going to invalidate it?

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

121 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:33pm

re: #100 NoGardtheGreat

Thanks! And as I die hard Trekker I have no idea who that is ;-)

Why, they're the Kreegs from Planet Earth.

122 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:49pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Well he's up 100+ votes.
That's practically a landslide.

123 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:18pm

lead me not unto temptation...

i can find it myself. %-)

124 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:21pm

Here in Las Vegas, the annual death of a high school student in a car that was racing with another car came early this school year.

/I wasn't even close
//I had the 2nd week of February in the pool

125 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:32pm

re: #106 BlueCanuck

Heh, "Dinner: 6 PM --- until they make us leave." :)

liked that bit.

And they made us leave...

...and then they made us leave again when the bar closed!

Heh! What fun it was! Will have pix posted soon.

126 pat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:42pm

Drivers License. One of the ways we know Sen Obama was born in Hawaii is because anyone without an out of State drivers license is required to bring in a Birth Certificate to get one. Obama drove here just fine. The State Dept Of Health has already confirmed he was born here. If there is anything about his BC that he does not want someone to see, it is likely inconsequential and an embarrassment in his mind only. Likely something the rest of us could live with without problem. Politicians are sometimes overly concerned about image.

127 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:48pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

Have you been watching this election? The ballots that are mysteriously showing up for frankendouche?
The absentee ballots that were "forgotten" in the trunk of a car and mysteriously found after the election? I'm in Wisconsin, but I can smell the stench from the next state over.

128 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:49pm

re: #124 gmsc

Lost a good friend doing the same thing way back in the day.
Some things never change...

129 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:50pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

I hope that you are right. Up here in WA a lot of people believe that Rossi had it stolen right under his nose. It just looks like the same thing might happen in Minn.

130 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:01pm

re: #123 redc1c4

lead me not unto temptation...

i can find it myself. %-)

Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.
- Exodus 23:2

Better to lead.

131 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:08pm

Evenin' lizards...did I miss anything?

132 Throbert McGee  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:37pm

re: #13 DU Jimbo

Another good protection against temptation is old age. ;(

"Thank the gods, I am at last free from that cruel and insane master."
-- Sophocles, at age 80, when asked if he still got horny

And the Oscar Wilde quotes on temptation reminded me of:

"When you are as old as I, young man, you will know that there is only one thing in the world worth living for, and that is sin."
-- Lady Jane "Sperenza" Wilde (Oscar's mum), to an interviewer

Clearly the apple didn't fall far from the tree...

133 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:39pm

re: #121 Macker

Why, they're the Kreegs from Planet Earth.

See you said Star Trek fans, not Roddenberry fans. That's cheating ;-)

134 pat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:46pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

Yeah right. 100 votes even from a single county. All discrepancies from 3 counties. The Democratic party has become a criminal enterprise. Wallow, baby.

135 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:51pm

re: #127 logboy

Have you been watching this election? The ballots that are mysteriously showing up for frankendouche?
The absentee ballots that were "forgotten" in the trunk of a car and mysteriously found after the election? I'm in Wisconsin, but I can smell the stench from the next state over.

Pawlenty was on TV this evening saying the "ballots found in the trunk of a car" story was false.

136 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:13:25pm

Ok, I really have to go to bed. My head is going to explode. Night all.

137 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:36pm

re: #135 JustMyView


Where were they? The backseat?

138 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:59pm

re: #133 NoGardtheGreat

Actually, no. look closely at their cranium. The Kreegs served as a model for the modern Klingons...

139 Silvergirl  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:15:48pm

Two Fort Wainwright soldiers based in Fairbanks, AK killed

Gov Palin offered condolences

They were from Tennessee and Nevada.

140 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:06pm

re: #139 Silvergirl

Those friggin helos are dangerous.
Don't think I'd get in one unless I had to.

141 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:31pm

re: #135 JustMyView

Pawlenty was on TV this evening saying the "ballots found in the trunk of a car" story was false.

Oh, good.

Everyone knows they were in the freezer.

142 Nightwatch  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:59pm

Just up from a book
Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" funny how the "Fictitious" take down of the financial markets seems to have a very parallel theme to what is occurring at this very point in time. But none of what is happening now was intentional no, no just greedy guys with mistresses (or life partners) and no morals right?...Sure, and I'm the most REV. Wright's altar boy...

Nighty...night

143 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:19:55pm

re: #128 CalBear84

Lost a good friend doing the same thing way back in the day.
Some things never change...

Here's the story on the teen herself. The car she was in was racing with a teenager in another car. The driver of this other car had numerous complaints against him, but he always got off with minor fines and punishments because his father is a judge. The father/judge says his son will pay the full price for this one, but neighbors are skeptical with good reason.

Back in the '90s, when this first started happening, there was activity to get all sorts of laws, regulations and other means to stop it. After a few years of trying to stop it, everyone has basically given up on trying to prevent it. Now, we just wait to hear who the unfortunate victim is this year, and then move on.

On my street alone, which is just down from a bridge that goes down into a blind curve, I can point to 4 different memorials, all of which have happened since 2002!

144 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:20:03pm

re: #122 CalBear84

Well he's up 100+ votes.
That's practically a landslide.

Actually, Coleman is currently up by 217 votes, so, yes, it's very close. Essentially a chance result. The Star-Tribune has several stories re the recount on its homepage, including one describing a decision re the counting of absentee ballots that went against Franken.

145 Dustyvet  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:20:50pm

re: #2 lifeofthemind

Step by step
Inch by inch
Slowly I turned

Youtube Video
146 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:22:33pm

re: #143 gmsc

Same thing was happening in San Diego.
But major police crackdowns have made a difference. I hope they get it together in LV.

147 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:24:54pm

re: #144 JustMyView

Man I hope this guy doesn't win.
Something "end of days" about it...

148 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:24:58pm

re: #138 Macker

Actually, no. look closely at their cranium. The Kreegs served as a model for the modern Klingons...

"I see", said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw...

Also notice you are not too keen on the new Trek movie either. If they really wanted to reboot Trek they would have gotten Donald P. Bellisario to do it. He's the only one, that I know of, that can do the murder of the week, but make you watch to see how the cast interacts. (NCIS, JAG, Quantum Leap, Magnum, P.I., to name a few of his).

149 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:27:37pm

For those who haven't seen it before: 60 Second Refutation of Socialism, While Sitting at the Beach

Last week, there were several comments in Carnival of the Capitalists that people would like to see more articles highlighting the benefits of capitalism. This got me thinking about a conversation I had years ago at the beach:

Hanging out at the beach one day with a distant family member, we got into a discussion about capitalism and socialism. In particular, we were arguing about whether brute labor, as socialism teaches, is the source of all wealth (which, socialism further argues, is in turn stolen by the capitalist masters). The young woman, as were most people her age, was taught mainly by the socialists who dominate college academia nowadays. I was trying to find a way to connect with her, to get her to question her assumptions, but was struggling because she really had not been taught many of the fundamental building blocks of either philosophy or economics, but rather a mish-mash of politically correct points of view that seem to substitute nowadays for both.

One of the reasons I took up writing a blog is that I have never been as snappy or witty in real-time discussions as I would like to be, and I generally think of the perfect comeback or argument minutes or hours too late. I have always done better with writing, where I have time to think. However, on this day, I had inspiration from a half-remembered story I had heard before. I am sure I stole the following argument from someone, but to this day I still can't remember from whom.

I picked up a handful of sand, and said "this is almost pure silicon, virtually identical to what powers a computer. Take as much labor as you want, and build me a computer with it -- the only limitation is you can only have true manual laborers - no engineers or managers or other capitalist lackeys".

Yeah, I know what you're thinking - beach sand is not pure silicon - it is actually silicon dioxide, SiO2, but if she didn't take any economics she certainly didn't take any chemistry or geology.

She replied that my request was BS, that it took a lot of money to build an electronics plant, and her group of laborers didn't have any and bankers would never lend them any.

All too many defenders of capitalism would have stopped here, and said aha! So you admit you need more than labor - you need capital too. But Marx would not have disagreed - he would have said it was the separation of labor and capital that was bad - only when laborers owned the capital, rather than being slaves to the ruling class that now controls the capital, would the world reach nirvana. So I offered her just that:

I told her - assume for our discussion that I have tons of money, and I will give you and your laborers as much as you need. The only restriction I put on it is that you may only buy raw materials - steel, land, silicon - in their crudest forms. It is up to you to assemble these raw materials, with your laborers, to build the factory and make me my computer.

She thought for a few seconds, and responded "but I can't - I don't know how. I need someone to tell me how to do it"

And that is the heart of socialism's failure. For the true source of wealth is not brute labor, or even what you might call brute capital, but the mind. The mind creates new technologies, new products, new business models, new productivity enhancements, in short, everything that creates wealth. Labor or capital without a mind behind it is useless.

Read the whole thing.

150 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:27:46pm

re: #147 CalBear84

Man I hope this guy doesn't win.
Something "end of days" about it...

Oh, I kind of doubt that. Think of how many people have served in the Senate over the life of the Republic. We've survived them all.

151 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:35:09pm

re: #149 gmsc

Coyote blog on my favorites list now, thanks to you gmsc.
I emailed this to a liberal friend of mine:
Progressives too conservative to like capitalism
He was not amused...

152 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:36:21pm

re: #150 JustMyView

Thanks for the encouraging words.
On that note, goodnite all.

153 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:41:21pm

: : : headache : : :



    : : : sleepy : : :




        : : : keyboard does not a soft pillow make : : :




...and with that (and the most recent BAD NEWS), good lizards, I bid you all goodnight!

154 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:41:34pm

re: #151 CalBear84

Coyote blog on my favorites list now, thanks to you gmsc.
I emailed this to a liberal friend of mine:
Progressives too conservative to like capitalism
He was not amused...

I don't doubt he wasn't amused. He probably didn't take kindly to see his views stated so accurately.

155 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:41:48pm

re: #153 LeePro

: : : headache : : :



    : : : sleepy : : :




        : : : keyboard does not a soft pillow make : : :




...and with that (and the most recent BAD NEWS), good lizards, I bid you all goodnight!

Good night!

156 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:42:34pm

re: #153 LeePro

Night {LeePro}, weet dreams.

/If you were having a headache, it's because of the keyboard. ;)

157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:43:10pm

re: #150 JustMyView

Oh, I kind of doubt that. Think of how many people have served in the Senate over the life of the Republic. We've survived them all.

Of course, we've never had a Marxist as POTUS...

158 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, we've never had a Marxist as POTUS...

And likely never will.

159 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:48:56pm

re: #158 Moe Katz

And likely never will.

true, but 2 Carters in one lifetime is too many.

(hell, even 1 was. %-)

160 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:51:11pm

re: #159 redc1c4

And we already gave away the Panama Canal.

161 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:52:12pm

re: #159 redc1c4

true, but 2 Carters in one lifetime is too many.

(hell, even 1 was. %-)

Not so sure. I'm reserving judgment on that one.

Did you know that Bush 41 created the no-fly zone, and Clinton created the open-fly zone?

162 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:52:44pm

re: #158 Moe Katz

And likely never will.

Have you read Obama's books?

163 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:54:51pm

re: #162 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Have you read Obama's books?

Nope. But he's in a different culture now, not the radical academia he came from. Look at his appointments - he's sending signals that he'll govern as a mainstream Dem.

164 Syrah  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:56:12pm

re: #159 redc1c4

true, but 2 Carters in one lifetime is too many.

(hell, even 1 was. %-)

Obama differs significantly from Carter in that Obama talks in the sunshine tones and summer rhythms of an optimist. Carter's words were all winter cardigan sweaters and foggy malaise.

Obama is a far more seductive leader. People will hear in his words what they want to hear. Carter was never that charismatic.

165 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:56:21pm

re: #163 Moe Katz

Nope. But he's in a different culture now, not the radical academia he came from. Look at his appointments - he's sending signals that he'll govern as a mainstream Dem.

Right, a Marxist.

166 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:57:26pm

re: #165 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Right, a Marxist.

Hmm, if you're serious about that we can't really talk to one another on this subject.

167 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:00:12am

DUMB GROWTH: TRADING SUSTAINABLE WATER FOR THE FOOLS GOLD OF GLOBAL WARMING (Part 1 of 2)

Economist Tom Sowell once aptly wrote that "there are no solutions; there are only tradeoffs." This can be no better seen than in the recent enactment of California Senate Bill 375 which will unknowingly trade precious groundwater resources for "Smart Growth" anti-urban sprawl policies. Under this legislation water will no longer be gold in California; ethereal concepts about reducing "global warming" and producing "green power" will be California's new fools gold. It is little wonder that California is experiencing a "perfect drought" with the adoption of such policies.

SB 375 is a piece of legislation which requires regional planning agencies to put into place "sustainable" growth plans. It will require the California Air Resources Board to double the targeted reductions in greenhouse gas emissions that local governments must meet in its land use plans. More specifically, it will require that new housing development be shifted from the urban fringe, where groundwater resources are more abundant (San Bernardino County, Morgan Hill), to highly dense urban areas near public transit and light rail lines (Pasadena, East Bay) where local water sources are patchy and often polluted. The environmental intent of SB 375 is to reduce auto commuter trips, air pollution, and gasoline consumption.

However, the legislation will unintentionally result in more reliance on imported water supplies from the Sacramento Delta, Mono Lake , and the Colorado River for thirsty cities along California's coastline instead of diverting development to inland areas which have more "sustainable" groundwater resources.

This can be clearly seen by viewing the California Department of Water Resources map of Groundwater Basins in California shown at this web link. As can easily be seen on the map, the populous coastal areas of the state have spotty groundwater resources while the inland areas have the most abundant water basins to sustain new development.

For example, the City of San Bernardino in the "Inland Empire" of Southern California has such abundant groundwater resources that it has long-range plans to draw down its high groundwater table to reduce the potential for liquefaction (ground failure) in the event of an earthquake, construct lakeside developments, and sell the surplus water.

Even if we ignore for the moment that diverting housing development to urban areas will increase reliance on imported water from the environmentally sensitive Sacramento Delta, the policy makes no sense from even a global warming perspective. Look at the drawing at the link provided below which depicts the geographic profile of the "Urban Heat Island Effect."

Urban Heat Island Profile Sketch

168 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:00:42am

DUMB GROWTH: TRADING SUSTAINABLE WATER FOR THE FOOLS GOLD OF GLOBAL WARMING (Part 2 of 2)

Concentrating housing development in already highly dense urban areas will only worsen the urban heat island effect and thus increase "global warming." The obvious solution from the greenhouse effect resulting from pollution is housing dispersion, not concentration.

Moreover, by virtue of shifting to reliance on imported water supplies California will need to generate more electricity to pump that water to urban centers located far from the sources of water. No doubt that electricity will also come from imported energy sources outside the state. Green power (solar, wind) cannot be used to pump water because it is too unreliable due to the unpredictability of the weather. Thus, SB 375 undercuts California 's Global Warming Solutions Act ("Green Power Law - Assembly Bill 32).

Fortunately, the new law doesn't yet mandate local governments to comply with the plans. No real changes are expected until regional planning agencies adopt the "sustainable communities" growth policies called for in the law three years from now. However, if cities choose not to comply, then state transportation tax funds can conceivably be diverted to compliant cities. That SB 375 is a license for greedy coastal cities in Democratic strongholds along the coast to capture the taxes of inland cities in Republican territory is never mentioned in the media. Environmentalism serves as a cover for politics by other means.

Laws like SB 375 continue dependence on costly imported wholesale water, say at $500 per acre foot (a football field of water one foot high which sustains two families per year) compared to cheap local groundwater at roughly $50 per acre foot.

That this piece of legislation was passed by "Green Governor" Arnold Schwarzenegger without dissent by local water agencies and even air quality resource boards, is indicative of how environmental policy often defies science and common sense and is based on powerful cultural images spawned by government and unquestioned by the media. Incredibly, the implementation of SB 375 will even be granted certain breaks for transit oriented development under the California Environmental Quality Act.

California is shifting from valuing water as gold to a Fool's Gold Rush to reduce global warming and generate green power. Unfortunately, the public has already bought the fake for the real gold thanks mostly to the media. Paraphrasing a Latin proverb, "(political) hay is more acceptable to a donkey than gold."

169 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:02:23am

Again, did you read his books? Listen to what he has said while running for POTUS and in the past?

170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:03:45am

re: #166 Moe Katz

Hmm, if you're serious about that we can't really talk to one another on this subject.

Connect the dots.

171 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:05:32am

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Connect the dots.

Calm down!

I think Obama is like a piece of tofu - no backbone, no flavor of his own, takes on the taste of his surroundings.

172 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:06:22am

He's more liberal than Bernie Sanders, who is a self described socialist.

173 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:07:27am

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Connect the dots.

Didja see this? Woman knowingly lost $400,000 to Nigerian scammers.

174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:07:35am

re: #171 Moe Katz

Calm down!

I think Obama is like a piece of tofu - no backbone, no flavor of his own, takes on the taste of his surroundings.

I'm very calm. I have proof- My dog is still sleeping.

175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:08:30am

re: #173 Moe Katz

Didja see this? Woman knowingly lost $400,000 to Nigerian scammers.

Pelosi and Reid will bail her out.

176 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #172 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's more liberal than Bernie Sanders, who is a self described socialist.

We'll just have to watch and see what he does. He doesn't look like a wild-eyed radical to me so far.

177 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:10:01am

re: #175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Pelosi and Reid will bail her out.

LOL! The woman KNEW what she was getting into, but had no resistance. Incredible.

178 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:10:40am

He's not POTUS yet.

179 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:10:45am

re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm very calm. I have proof- My dog is still sleeping.

Some dogs are sound sleepers.

180 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:11:11am

re: #173 Moe Katz

Didja see this? Woman knowingly lost $400,000 to Nigerian scammers.

No, the woman didn't lose a cent. Her husband, however, whose retirement account was the source of the money, did lose $400,000.

181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:11:40am

re: #177 Moe Katz

LOL! The woman KNEW what she was getting into, but had no resistance. Incredible.

Fiskie nominee?

182 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:11:43am

re: #178 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's not POTUS yet.

No, but he's taking over at a delicate time with the economy and I don't think he'll do anything too wild in terms of taxation.

183 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:12:16am

re: #180 gmsc

No, the woman didn't lose a cent. Her husband, however, whose retirement account was the source of the money, did lose $400,000.

True. I wonder how that will affect the marriage.

184 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:12:39am

re: #181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Fiskie nominee?

It's positively sick.

185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:14:00am

re: #179 Moe Katz

Some dogs are sound sleepers.

My dog is laying asleep right under my chair as Aerosmith is cranked up LOUD. /In my headphones.

186 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:15:06am

re: #185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My dog is laying asleep right under my chair as Aerosmith is cranked up LOUD. /In my headphones.

What kind of a dog have you got?

187 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:15:06am

re: #182 Moe Katz

No, but he's taking over at a delicate time with the economy and I don't think he'll do anything too wild in terms of taxation.

Right- That will restrain him, for now.

188 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:16:32am

re: #187 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Right- That will restrain him, for now.

If not for his entire first term.
/Not implying there'll be a second one necessarily.

189 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:16:53am

re: #186 Moe Katz

What kind of a dog have you got?

4 yr old Scottish terrier.

190 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:17:10am

re: #183 Moe Katz

True. I wonder how that will affect the marriage.

If they divorce, I'd say the husband has a great argument against paying any alimony.

The head of the Nigerian government was also recently quoted as saying that the victims should be punished for their greed.

191 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:17:27am

re: #189 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

4 yr old Scottish terrier.

What sex, color?

192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:17:53am

re: #189 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

4 yr old Scottish terrier.

He chases flies. It's the funniest damn thing to watch!

193 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:18:29am

re: #190 gmsc


The head of the Nigerian government was also recently quoted as saying that the victims should be punished for their greed.

Now that makes a whole lot of sense.

194 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:20:02am

re: #192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He chases flies. It's the funniest damn thing to watch!

They're nice dogs. Don't currently have a dog, but I pet every friendly one I meet. Really miss having one.

195 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:21:22am

re: #191 Moe Katz

What sex, color?

He's a male, black hair, named Lilbit. My ex named him. When we split up she kept our Bishon Frise, and I got the cool dog.

196 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:24:10am

re: #195 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I like small dogs but worry about them getting attacked outdoors.

197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:28:06am

re: #196 Moe Katz

I like small dogs but worry about them getting attacked outdoors.

He weighs about 25 pounds. And the only time he goes outside, other than when I take him for a walk is to poop/pee, and my yard is fenced, and we've never had a problem here with coyotes or animals that attack small animals.

198 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:34:01am

re: #162 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Have you read Obama's books?

why? he didn't write them...

199 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:34:20am

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He weighs about 25 pounds. And the only time he goes outside, other than when I take him for a walk is to poop/pee, and my yard is fenced, and we've never had a problem here with coyotes or animals that attack small animals.

Yeah, the danger is big parks and conservation areas where there can be large, aggressive dogs. Or pit bulls, which I don't consider to be dogs.

My last dog got commandeered by my late mother. She (the dog, that is) was a little chihuahua-terrier cross, about 15 lbs and a great lap dog. My Mom babysat the dog a bit and the two fell in love, so I let her keep the pup.

I'm falling asleep. We'll just have to wait and see with Obama - I'm also concerned as a Canadian because of protectionist noises he was making during the primaries.

'Night, OMD and whoever else is conscious out there.

200 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:36:24am

re: #198 redc1c4

why? he didn't write them...

LOL!

201 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:37:13am

re: #199 Moe Katz

Yeah, the danger is big parks and conservation areas where there can be large, aggressive dogs. Or pit bulls, which I don't consider to be dogs.

My last dog got commandeered by my late mother. She (the dog, that is) was a little chihuahua-terrier cross, about 15 lbs and a great lap dog. My Mom babysat the dog a bit and the two fell in love, so I let her keep the pup.

I'm falling asleep. We'll just have to wait and see with Obama - I'm also concerned as a Canadian because of protectionist noises he was making during the primaries.

'Night, OMD and whoever else is conscious out there.

CYA Moe!

202 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:40:28am

i'm gonna wander over to the sooper sekrit fruitcup fridge i know nothing about, and do a little fixin.

then i'm off to bed: the Benadryl just kicked in...

hasta y'all.

L8r!

203 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:40:46am

re: #139 Silvergirl

So sad.

My oldest son's first duty station was Fort Wainwright (from 02 - 06) with a little detour of about 16 months in Iraq. Check out my Icon.

204 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:42:34am

Night Moe, red. Take care, the both of you.

205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:43:51am

Mickey Mouse is 80 years old today!

206 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:44:34am

almost forgot...

/shoves case of smoke grenades over to OMD

here ya go, in case things get wild later... Blue should have his own.

207 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:50:12am

re: #205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mickey Mouse is 80 years old today!

While Disney certainly celebrates Mickey's birthday as November 18, 1928, because it's the release date of Steamboat Willie, it's not the first time Mickey appeared on screen. He was also in Plane Crazy, which was released on May 15, 1928. Steamboat Willie was the first sound cartoon, which is why it's considered more significant.

208 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:51:47am

re: #206 redc1c4

almost forgot...

/shoves case of smoke grenades over to OMD

here ya go, in case things get wild later... Blue should have his own.

But of course. I *ahem* recquisitoned a bunch awhile ago.

/white smoke.

209 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:53:18am

re: #205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mickey Mouse is 80 years old today!

...and he only has to deal with one grey hare!
;)

210 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:56:18am

re: #209 gmsc

...and he only has to deal with one grey hare!
;)

and don't we all wish that's all we'd have to deal with

211 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:04:04am

re: #210 jakes_stryker

and don't we all wish that's all we'd have to deal with

I'd prefer not to have to deal with Bugs Bunny, especially in rabbit season.

/Duck Season!
/Rabbit Season!

212 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:07:19am

re: #211 gmsc

I'd prefer not to have to deal with Bugs Bunny, especially in rabbit season.

/Duck Season!
/Rabbit Season!

Awesome! Haven't seen that cartoon in a long time. I wish Cartoon Network showed the classics. Instead, we get stuck with absolute garbage.

213 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:09:06am

re: #211 gmsc

I'd prefer not to have to deal with Bugs Bunny, especially in rabbit season.

/Duck Season!
/Rabbit Season!

pretty annoying "wabbit"

214 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:10:40am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

We used to get them on one of our regular channels. I stopped watching them though a long time ago. About ten years ago, just when all the cartoon channels came on, I watched one episode of Loony Toons and changed the channel. They had CUT one of the funniest scenes from the cartoon. I remember the scene too. I guess it was cut because it was too violent. *spit*

215 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:12:48am

I just happen to have two young men (my sons) in the Army that are giving me gray hair (grey hare). lol

216 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:13:12am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

Awesome! Haven't seen that cartoon in a long time. I wish Cartoon Network showed the classics. Instead, we get stuck with absolute garbage.

I've found that, if you can just remember a few classic lines from a cartoon you otherwise can't remember, usually a quick google search to find the cartoon's name helps. Plus, once you have the cartoon's name, a google video search will usually locate the cartoon itself somewhere online.

217 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:16:15am

BTW, Can anyone name the only feature in which Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse appear on screen together?

218 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:18:03am

Yep. Those cartoons are everywhere online, but it's often not the same as flipping through and catching them on TV.

A lot of the old cartoons are heavily edited too, probably because so many of them were ridiculously politically incorrect.

**sigh**

219 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:19:22am

re: #217 gmsc

BTW, Can anyone name the only feature in which Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse appear on screen together?

"Roger Rabbit"

220 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:19:38am

re: #217 gmsc

"Who Framed Roger Rabbit"

221 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:19:52am

Er, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

222 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:20:19am

re: #218 TheMatrix31

Yep. Those cartoons are everywhere online, but it's often not the same as flipping through and catching them on TV.

A lot of the old cartoons are heavily edited too, probably because so many of them were ridiculously politically incorrect.

**sigh**

In my experience, it's just the opposite. I can find clips of "Song of the South" with a little searching, for example, and that's far from politically correct.

223 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:21:01am

re: #219 victor_yugo

"Roger Rabbit"

re: #220 BlueCanuck

"Who Framed Roger Rabbit"

re: #221 victor_yugo

Er, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

Yep! That's right!

224 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:23:33am

re: #223 gmsc

Here's one for you. Which cast of characters didn't appear in the movie?

225 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:25:09am

re: #222 gmsc

In my experience, it's just the opposite. I can find clips of "Song of the South" with a little searching, for example, and that's far from politically correct.

I meant the versions shown on TV...

226 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:30:33am

hmmm, 4:30am seems to have gotten here without me noticing it, but I'll sure be sorry when it's time to get up.

227 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:32:03am

Have a good night/morning, all

228 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:32:43am

Night jakes, weet dreams.

229 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:33:25am

I'm still quite taken with The Venture Brothers on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block of programming, but the rest of the programs on there are mostly crap- gratuitous military/Christian/Conservative/flyover-state bashing that's supposed to be 'edgy', I guess...

230 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:37:04am

re: #224 BlueCanuck

Here's one for you. Which cast of characters didn't appear in the movie?

Popeye, Olive Oyl, Bluto, Little Lulu, and Casper the Friendly Ghost.

231 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:38:08am

re: #230 victor_yugo

Oh, and Felix the Cat and Tom & Jerry.

232 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:39:29am

BTW, Blue- thanks for linking to that Scotiabank page the other day, that was pretty useful (although I still have a few questions for them, but that's what 800 numbers are for).

233 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:39:32am

re: #230 victor_yugo

Hmmm, points. I don't think Little Lulu was animated at the time, I am unsure about Casper being animated as well. But the cast from Little Thumb Theater(?) were blocked due to copyright arguments from the holders of the franchise.

/I think that was the name of the cartoons for Popeye.

234 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:40:01am

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

No problem at all. I find things. ;)

235 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:41:46am

re: #234 BlueCanuck


Heh...I'm toying around with hiring on with one of the Canadian railways. Between the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific, you'd be surprised how much trackage they have in the USA.

236 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:43:44am

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I do know that CN owned some lines and companies in New England area. Used to see CV cars here in Toronto all the time.

237 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:47:37am

re: #233 BlueCanuck

They're all named on the WFRR trivia page at IMDB.

238 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:57:15am

I'm not bad, I just type that way.

239 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:57:50am

re: #237 victor_yugo

Thank you very much for that link. I know have a whole bunch of useless facts stored up for my next trivia game. :)

240 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:58:13am

re: #238 Sharmuta

LOL, you are the best of us Sharm.

241 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:58:46am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Interestingly, they seem to be everywhere but Vermont, these days.

Besides being the last 'true' transcontinental, Canadian National snapped up the Wisconsin Central (which itself absorbed several smaller midwestern railways in the mid 1990s), British Columbia Railway, Duluth Missabe and Iron Range and Illinois Central in the last 10 years...and they're pressing hard to acquire the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern to help them bypass the Chicago-area bottleneck.

I think some Wisconsin Central crewman posted "I for one welcome our Canadian overlords" in an online forum...

242 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:59:28am

re: #240 BlueCanuck

I'm just the Fruitcup™ ding patrol.

243 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

244 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:00:09am

Fruitcup comin' round the bend.

245 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:00:42am

Good morning, littleoldlady!

246 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:02:20am

re: #243 littleoldlady

Good morning, lol. Just stopping in for some fruitcup and ding pimping.

247 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:02:35am

Good morning, ALL!

248 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:04:47am

Good morning! Sinus headache here in LA.

249 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:04:48am

BTW, littleoldlady, Sharmuta has forgiven me for being mean to her. We made up.

250 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:06:10am

re: #249 gmsc

Sharmuta is an extraordinarily generous person!

/what did you do, anyway?

251 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:08:19am

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

/sorry I am late dinging and responsing. got called from the desk.

252 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:08:23am

re: #250 littleoldlady

Aww- you are sweet.

gmsc asked a rude question about... about... SMURF CHOKING!

253 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:08:52am

re: #252 Sharmuta

[gasp!]

254 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:11:27am

Morning Lizards from a wet Durban S.Sfrica. Is there any fruit cup left? Does anyone know if Rustler managed to get registered?

255 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:11:40am

re: #253 littleoldlady

I know... I forgive gmsc, but it still hard to think about after all the raids on Smurf village I survived...

256 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:12:05am

You folks are just too good to me!

/I am not worthy...

257 akak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:12:19am

Did you see the Royal Canadian Mounted Police questionaire in the news yesterday?

"Have you ever been involved in beastiality?"

/hence the Mounted part I guess
//some kinda entrance exam

258 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:13:18am

Hard to picture a sharmuta (small S) in the Smurf Village...but okay.

;-)

/cartoons sometimes DO go over my head!

259 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:13:46am

re: #257 akak

Bad, bad, baaad boy.

260 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:14:13am

re: #258 littleoldlady

So you aren't three apples high?

261 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:15:06am

Aaarrrgghhh I fell sound asleep while taking a "nap" and left the spaghetti and sauce out all night ... I hate it when that happens.

262 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:15:56am

re: #260 BlueCanuck

TWO!

/and yes I AM standing UP!

263 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:16:13am

re: #258 littleoldlady

Well- I was the only girl...

264 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:19:41am

re: #263 Sharmuta

Well- I was the only girl...

Me too!

/full circle... :-)

265 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:28:39am

I'm sorry I killed the thread...

OH!

266 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:30:30am

re: #265 littleoldlady

I'm sorry I killed the thread...

OH!

Was either you are me lol. Any reply to my #254. Oh and good morning.

267 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:32:15am

Erik! :-)

Plenty of fruitcup, and it looks as though there were TWO (!?) open registrations yesterday.

/I don't remember ever seeing TWO in one day...

268 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:33:02am

re: #267 littleoldlady

Any idea if Ranchers son got in?

269 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:34:02am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Did Charles post a list of new nics?

270 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:35:52am

re: #268 Erik The Red
No clue. Haven't seen Rancher or Rustler all night.
re: #269 littleoldlady
Nope, would be nice if he did sometimes.

271 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:36:34am

re: #270 BlueCanuck

He does, sometimes.

272 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:39:20am

Looks like the market's aren't done voting for Obummer with today's futures looking for another dismal opening and day:

DJI off -224 pts
S&P 500 off -24 pts
Compx off -35 pts

Mornin erik, sharm, lol, fenway, blue...all.

273 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:40:47am

re: #272 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Morning aboo. Chinese market closed up. Currently the FTSE is down by almost 2%. Still looking for an underpass?

274 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:42:00am

Search for "rustler" results in...NO RUSTLER.

:-(

'Morning, aboo! :-)

275 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:44:51am

re: #274 littleoldlady

Well if he hasn't made any posts it wouldn't show up I think. Probably find out later.

276 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:50:17am

re: #273 BlueCanuck

Nupe, no underpasses won't cut-it any longer I'm afraid(LoL take special note). Time to up-grade to nuclear hardened shelters.

277 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:52:28am

re: #276 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I've started a collection of selected cans of tuna.

/someone remind me to buy a new can opener...

278 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:54:35am

re: #277 littleoldlady

Buy a new manual can opener. ;)

/go old army

279 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:55:55am

re: #278 BlueCanuck

That's the ONLY kind!

/no electricity in the bunker...

280 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:00:53am

re: #277 littleoldlady

I've started a collection of selected cans of tuna.

/someone remind me to buy a new can opener...

You might consider a selection of varying...uh...types of can opener's: Assault Weapons Ban Introduced...by Five R.I.N.O.s

Anyone ready to pack their pitchforks and head for DC?

281 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:08:22am

Don't bring a pitchfork to a gun battle.

282 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:13:55am

Subjected to more than a century of propaganda masquerading as news, Russians often seem to live in a different reality from the rest of us - coming from the Brit's the statement is more than a bit ironic, at the very least.

However, it looks like US media will shortly surpass Russia's in terms of bias and pure output of propaganda - if they haven't already.

283 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:19:37am

re: #282 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

The plus side for the U.S. is that there are a lot more outlets for news to be spread around then just the MSM. Besides, not all the MSM is in the tank for Obama.

284 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:20:33am

Morning all. Chilly 34 here in the DC 'burbs but none of that white crud.

285 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:21:41am

"White Crud" ! LOL!

{My Rove!}

286 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:22:30am

Morning Jim. Well we are at about 24 here up north. No snow yet but it's in the forecast.

/I want my global warming back.

287 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:22:51am

re: #281 littleoldlady

Don't bring a pitchfork to a gun battle.

Good morning, littleoldlady and Lizards in toto.

Well, they're starting early, aren't they? I especially like the bit about calling it the "Recreational Firearms Protection Act." In the end, of course, our "recreational firearms" will be "protected" by being locked up in a vault at the local (government-run) shooting range, where we may visit them on weekends- under close supervision, naturally.

(And while on a government "watch list" for ever having owned them to begin with, of course.)

I expect Orwellian NewSpeak to reach epic levels during the new regime'- and not all of it will emanate from the Lightworker and his chosen minions. A good bit will come from those on the other side of the aisle who are trying to suck up to TEO.

Oh, and if you're looking for a good manual can opener, I'd recommend the military-type P-51 over the smaller, and harder to manipulate, P-38. I've found it is easier to deal with due to my arthritis. I have several of both, however. One of each hangs next to my sharpening steel over my knife rack on my kitchen counter, and the rest are stashed in my various pocket emergency kits, my bug-out bag, etc.

/I'm not a "survivalist"- just careful.

cheers

eon

288 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:24:31am

Blue Canuck: Cartoons? Remember Jonny Quest?

289 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:24:59am

{littleoldlady}

290 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:25:11am

eon! :-)

Gee. I was just going to get a couple at the Dollar Store.

/not a "survivalist" either - just poor.

291 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:25:22am

re: #288 Jim in Virginia

I remember watching bits and pieces of it. But I wasn't really a fan.

292 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:28:45am

re: #288 Jim in Virginia

Blue Canuck: Cartoons? Remember Jonny Quest?

The guy with his dad, Ace Bannon, his friend Hadji, and his dog Bandit?

Nope, don't recall him.

293 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:29:02am

Good morning, Lizards!
{Jim in Virginia}
{BlueCanuck}
{littleoldlady}
{eon}

294 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:30:03am

Good morning {goddess}, how's your little patch of global warming today?

295 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:30:38am

goddess! :-)

296 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:31:13am

re: #294 BlueCanuck

Good morning {goddess}, how's your little patch of global warming today?

Pretty cold, in fact! Lots of snow showers.

297 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:31:43am

Keys that jingle in your pocket
Words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that I said?
Lovers walk along a shore
And leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming
Just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway
Or the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces
But to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over
Were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the colour of her hair?

Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

298 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:36:44am

re: #290 littleoldlady

eon! :-)

Gee. I was just going to get a couple at the Dollar Store.

/not a "survivalist" either - just poor.

I know that feeling. Fortunately, the difference between a P-38 and P-51 at my local surplus store is the difference between twenty-five cents and thirty-five cents. In spite of the '51 being about two and a half times bigger in terms of "thumb area" than the '38. I rate it a "best buy".

I gave up on electric can openers after my last one blew its motor trying to open a can of Manwich. As for the crank or key-turned jobs, I have three, none of which will open a paper envelope, let alone a can. And the opener on my Swiss Army knife is mainly good for making a semi-permanent groove in my thumb. The P-51 wins by default- it's cheap, sturdy, reliable, and actually easy to use.

The '38 and '51 were actually first developed by a canned food company here in OH back in the 1920s, to be included in a flat of canned goods as a sales gimmick. They worked so well the Army adopted them in 1939, and they remained standard for the U. S. Armed Forces until the 1980s. They are still used by soldiers today (who get them at the modern equivalent of the PX, whatever it's called) because not only can they open cans, they make fast work of opening MRE packages, too. Not to mention driving screws, cleaning under your nails, etc.

I only "discovered" these little gadgets a year or so ago, but now I can't keep house without them.

cheers

eon

299 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:37:56am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!
{Jim in Virginia}
{BlueCanuck}
{littleoldlady}
{eon}

Aww. Good morning, goddess.

(scrapes sneaker toe on gravel, blushes.)

cheers

eon

300 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:40:33am

re: #298 eon

I used to have a couple of 38's from back in the day when the army got issued IRP's that came with cans. Kept them because they were just so handy.

/I was in the cadets at the time, and I think the base supply was just trying to get rid of the last batches.

301 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:40:53am

re: #292 razorbacker

The guy with his dad, Ace Bannon, his friend Hadji, and his dog Bandit?

Nope, don't recall him.

Race Bannon, actually. Nickname- actual first name was Roger.

My favorite character was, and is, Jezebel Jade.

/All episodes on tape from Cartoon Network- the original series was much better than the Eighties version, the newest version was somewhere in-between.

cheers

eon

302 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:41:33am

{goddess}

303 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:43:02am

I will note that five Repubilcan supplicants to the Obamanation have brought up the assault weapons ban again.

Poor gun owners. Like they said about Nixon, just because they're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get them.

I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

On the bright side...I'll have to get back to you.

304 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:44:13am

re: #301 eon

A new version of Quest?
I've got to get cable.
Jonny Quest was the perfect nine year old boys cartoon. No girls.

305 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:44:35am

re: #301 eon

Race Bannon, actually. Nickname- actual first name was Roger.

My favorite character was, and is, Jezebel Jade.

/All episodes on tape from Cartoon Network- the original series was much better than the Eighties version, the newest version was somewhere in-between.

cheers

eon

Working from memory, I was reluctant to give Bannon the name 'Race', as I thought that I'd confused his name with his former occupation.

Should have gone with my gut instinct.

306 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:46:03am

Hey razorbacker.
I'll be heading back to the Land of Opportunity for a few days after Thanksgiving.
What's happened to the UA football team? (Same thing that went wrong with my Cornhuskers, I guess. )

307 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:48:02am

Can opener + Sarah Palinesque story...

When I first joined our synagogue years ago, Sisterhood called me to volunteer in the kitchen for some event. They had an old table-mounted can opener, the kind that opens gallon cans, and I had to open I-don't-remember-what so I used it. I grew up in a restaurant. No big deal.

All of a sudden I was a kitchen-hero, because evidently it took some people a long time to figure out how the thing worked. I was told, "You know, the major qualification to becoming Sisterhood President here is knowing how to use that can opener."

HA HA, I said.

HA. HA. The next year I was Sisterhood President.

308 phil flavin  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:48:08am

re: #297 Tigger2005

LOVE that song!

309 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:51:07am

re: #304 Jim in Virginia

A new version of Quest?
I've got to get cable.
Jonny Quest was the perfect nine year old boys cartoon. No girls.

The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest

An original production by Hanna-Barbera for Cartoon Network, it ran from 1994 to 1997. There was a girl in it- Jessie Bannon, Race's daughter. Thing is, she was by far the most likely of the entire group to resort to lethal force.

/No, Jade wasn't her mother- officially.

cheers

eon

310 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:51:27am

re: #307 littleoldlady
You could have JUST SAID NO.
(Yeah, sure)

311 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:53:24am

re: #306 Jim in Virginia

Hey razorbacker.
I'll be heading back to the Land of Opportunity for a few days after Thanksgiving.
What's happened to the UA football team? (Same thing that went wrong with my Cornhuskers, I guess. )

Well, let us see.

Mainly, McFadden (starting back for the Raiders), Jones (starting back for the Cowboys), and Hillis (starting back for the Broncos) are gone, with only a 5'7" Michael Smith (who is, admittedly, on track for a record setting year at running back) left.

Mainly, new coach and system, lack of talent, and general turmoil.

It was a bad scene when they ran Nutt off. Going to take a while to recover.

312 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:55:32am

re: #310 Jim in Virginia

Yeah, sure. ;- ) My family ended up buying me this.

313 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:56:17am

re: #307 littleoldlady

Proving once again that what you know is more important than who you know.

Well, I have to run. Volunteer work day.

Have a great day, and stay warm, Lizards.

cheers

eon

314 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:57:40am

re: #312 littleoldlady

LOL, yep common expression in the army is never volunteer. Unfortunately the Master Corporals and Sargeants would say, "I need three volunteers. You, you, and you. Come with me".

/got volunteered a lot for some reason.

315 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:57:50am

Take care, eon.

316 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:59:25am

Good morning everyone. What's going on?

317 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:00:27am

re: #316 freedombilly

Good morning everyone. What's going on?

{freedombilly}

Not much! As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to take off. Have a great day, y'all!

318 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:01:08am

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

Prepare to educate!

319 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:02:38am

re: #314 BlueCanuck

As Sisterhood president I never got away with "you, you and you."

/but I DID learn the true meaning of "grovel, wheedle and whine" ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

320 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:05:32am

Later eon, goddess, littleoldlady. Have yourselves a good day.

321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:06:20am

re: #301 eon

Race Bannon, actually. Nickname- actual first name was Roger.

My favorite character was, and is, Jezebel Jade.

/All episodes on tape from Cartoon Network- the original series was much better than the Eighties version, the newest version was somewhere in-between.

cheers

eon

OMG, my fave charater was Jade too...but I also hated her because I had a crush on Race (I know, Iknow, he's an animated charater but then I was 8 years old!).

322 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:11:56am

Have ya'll ever seen the venture brothers? Its a pretty funny I think new show on that lampoons and pays homage to the old Johnny Quest type shows. The show is on late but it is hilarious!

323 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:12:14am

I don't know the answer to this, as we've decided as a nation that any reasonable attempt to vet the voters is too much.

But when any old moron can vote, you might just elect any old moron.

324 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:13:15am

Google's pro-Obama censorship:

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

325 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:13:23am

re: #318 freedombilly

Prepare to educate!

Preparing to educate!

Educate!

Educating!

/Spaceballs

"Why do we always have to prepare to do anything? Just go!"

"Just go. Sir, you better sit down."

/Colonel Sandurz

326 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:16:07am

re: #325 Tigger2005

You forgot to shut down the three ring circus. :D

327 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:17:27am

Well it looks like my relief is here early. Time for me to go and find some warm covers. Stay scaly folks.

328 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:19:15am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

Well it looks like my relief is here early. Time for me to go and find some warm covers. Stay scaly folks.

Lizards look for a warm rock.

329 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:19:54am

Good Morning Lizards!

I hope everyone is well. My throat is still killing me, I am still drinking tea with honey and I am still taking bathroom breaks every 45 minutes or so. Other than that I am great!

330 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:21:10am

re: #325 Tigger2005

"Use the Shwartz!"
/ Spaceballs

Love that movie

331 songbird  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:21:41am

re: #329 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

I hope everyone is well. My throat is still killing me, I am still drinking tea with honey and I am still taking bathroom breaks every 45 minutes or so. Other than that I am great!

Alive is good. Hope you feel better today!

332 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:22:45am

Heya all Rustler here got registered yesterday by Rancher, but I'm thinking he jacked up my e-mail addy cause no activation e mail got in nic once I figure out where e-mail went will be realwrangler :)

333 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:25:10am

Good morning folks.

I know this is getting repetitive, but look for yet another down day for the market. The overnight futures are down, with the DOW down 151, NASDAQ down 28.25, and the S&P down 19.10.

For anybody keeping track, the DOW is now down about 1,500 points since The Messiah, The One, the man with all the answers was elected.

Of course, the market had serious problems already, but I would point to the week or so before the election, when it looked like McCain had a good chance of winning, and the market was making some nice gains. But since he won it's been pretty much bombs away.

I would also be remiss to not point out that he still has not selected a Treasury Chief. Don't you think, if you were President elect in conditions like this, that choosing the Treasury Chief would be one of the first things you would do to provide some assurance to the markets?

And the market continues to drop while Obama votes "present".

334 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:26:05am

re: #332 Rancher

Well done Rustler. email Charles and he should be able to resend.

335 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:26:29am

re: #332 Rancher

I clicked on your name as soon as I saw the registration open to try to send you an email but I couldn't find contact info fast enough. Glad he got in. So you will no longer be able to take credit for Rustler's wisdom;)

336 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:26:47am

Great. /groan

I went to my Pandora radio and changed from instrumental jazz to Celtic in the hopes that the upbeat music would help me feel better. The first song that comes up is "If I was A Blackbird" by Silly Wizard. Great song, but not exactly upbeat. More like music to slit your wrists by.

337 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:27:19am

Also the Nikkei market lost 194 points and the Hang Seng lost 613 overnight.

338 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:27:43am

re: #333 3 wood


. . .
I would also be remiss to not point out that he still has not selected a Treasury Chief. Don't you think, if you were President elect in conditions like this, that choosing the Treasury Chief would be one of the first things you would do to provide some assurance to the markets?

And the market continues to drop while Obama votes "present".


The One is completely clueless how things work.

I appreciate your updates

339 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:28:27am

re: #331 songbird

Alive is good. Hope you feel better today!

I am getting there. And all things considered I am pretty good. A little sore throat is nothing compared to what some are going though. Sometimes a person just has to bitch, even if it's about nothing.

340 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:28:54am

re: #331 songbird

Alive is good. Hope you feel better today!

And thanks. :-)

341 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:29:58am

re: #333 3 wood

Good morning folks.

I know this is getting repetitive, but look for yet another down day for the market. The overnight futures are down, with the DOW down 151, NASDAQ down 28.25, and the S&P down 19.10.

For anybody keeping track, the DOW is now down about 1,500 points since The Messiah, The One, the man with all the answers was elected.

Of course, the market had serious problems already, but I would point to the week or so before the election, when it looked like McCain had a good chance of winning, and the market was making some nice gains. But since he won it's been pretty much bombs away.

I would also be remiss to not point out that he still has not selected a Treasury Chief. Don't you think, if you were President elect in conditions like this, that choosing the Treasury Chief would be one of the first things you would do to provide some assurance to the markets?

And the market continues to drop while Obama votes "present".

He's busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.

342 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:12am

re: #333 3 wood

Could The One's plan be to lower the DOW so far that we actually all NEED government? Keep the market updates coming. I like reading them.

And yes, his very first priority should have been to name a Treasury Chief. As you know, one thing the market hates is uncertainty. Even if it is getting bad news the market likes to get it and move on.

Not sure what he has to gain politically by dragging his feet. I could say he's taking his time so he can make a great selection but I'm too cynical.

343 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:23am

I'm getting a lot of emails from folks wondering if they should switch their money to precious metals.

I don't tell people what specific investments to pick, so do what you think is right. But I will point out that precious metals are more volatile than the stock markets, so they are not necessarily a safe haven either. There is no safe haven out there right now.

Fixed income is returning almost no yield and the markets are dropping.

Take your choice. The old passbook savings account might look pretty good right about now.

344 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:28am

re: #339 Ford_Prefect

I am getting there. And all things considered I am pretty good. A little sore throat is nothing compared to what some are going though. Sometimes a person just has to bitch, even if it's about nothing.

If we don't bitch, good times might seem less good.

345 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:36am

re: #280 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Salting a tub of water to hold my pitchfork for a day or 2 before we start the march on Washington.
Rustler(realwrangler once I figure out what email rancher used to reg me)

346 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:59am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

I appreciate your updates

That is very kind of you, thank you.

347 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:33:11am

So 3wood based on Hang seng and Nikkei indexes is dow gonna be in the 6k or 7k by the end of the day?

348 songbird  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:33:39am

re: #339 Ford_Prefect

I am getting there. And all things considered I am pretty good. A little sore throat is nothing compared to what some are going though. Sometimes a person just has to bitch, even if it's about nothing.

That's for sure! Keep our blogger brother from Radarsite in your prayers. He was diagnosed with Leukemia - a really aggressive strain.

349 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:33:48am

re: #344 MandyManners

If we don't bitch, good times might seem less good.

Very true. Good morning Mandy. I hope you are well.

350 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:34:02am

re: #342 freedombilly

Could The One's plan be to lower the DOW so far that we actually all NEED government? Keep the market updates coming. I like reading them.

And yes, his very first priority should have been to name a Treasury Chief. As you know, one thing the market hates is uncertainty. Even if it is getting bad news the market likes to get it and move on.

Not sure what he has to gain politically by dragging his feet. I could say he's taking his time so he can make a great selection but I'm too cynical.

I'm starting to have that feeling too, that he wants to see things totally melt down so he can use that as a reason to take over everything.

I guess we will just have to sit back and see.

351 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:34:12am

I would like to thank whoever the first human being to pick, then roast, then grind, then filter water through a coffee bean was. I owe that person.

And I can't say I would have thought to do it.

352 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:35:00am

If he tips his hand and names Soros Treasury chief won't that send the DOW into afterburner mode strasight down?

353 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:35:46am

re: #352 Rancher

If he tips his hand and names Soros Treasury chief won't that send the DOW into afterburner mode strasight down?

***SPEWING aforementioned coffee***

354 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:36:04am

re: #347 Rancher

So 3wood based on Hang seng and Nikkei indexes is dow gonna be in the 6k or 7k by the end of the day?

Probably not, those two markets are a lot smaller so it takes less to make them move.

But I can easily see the DOW dropping another 200 to 300 points. You have a lot of liquidations out of mutual funds happening.

355 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:36:18am

Bah I'm causing far to many people to waste coffee recently.

356 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:37:42am

For complete intellectual gibberish, click on this link. if you want different gibberish, refresh the page

[Link: www.elsewhere.org...]

357 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:38:36am

re: #352 Rancher

If he tips his hand and names Soros Treasury chief won't that send the DOW into afterburner mode strasight down?

I would not be surprised if he names Chavez or Castro.

By the way, this was the worst first 9 months of the year for the market since 1907.

You know, the era back when the Cubs could still win championships.

358 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:39:18am

re: #357 3 wood

You know, the era back when the Cubs could still win championships.

ZINGER!

359 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:17am

re: #333 3 wood

Hannity was pointing this out last night, or rather Dick Morris was before his camera went off. Colmes didn't get it. He thought they were "blaming" Obama and kept reciting the usual list of accusations against Bush. He apparently did not understand of was pretending not to understand market reaction.

360 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:26am

re: #356 Jewels (AKA Julian)

How do I get that 30 seconds of my life back?

361 gregg  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:28am

re: #350 3 wood

I'm starting to have that feeling too, that he wants to see things totally melt down so he can use that as a reason to take over everything.

I guess we will just have to sit back and see.

I wonder what the the Dow will be at on inauguration day? I suspect it will set up Obama to claim some pretty impressive gains come the 2012 election (e.g. Dow 6000 on inauguration day becomes Dow 12000 in 2012 - the market doubled under Obama).

362 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:59am

By the way, Mark Cuban has major problems with his insider trading charges. If he's not stupid about it, he will just settle and go quietly on his away.

363 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:42:36am

re: #360 unclassifiable

Just think of the poor students who have to sit through semesters of that crap.

364 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:42:42am

re: #350 3 wood

I'm starting to have that feeling too, that he wants to see things totally melt down so he can use that as a reason to take over everything.

I guess we will just have to sit back and see.

Cloward-Piven.

365 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:44:46am

re: #359 legalpad

Hannity was pointing this out last night, or rather Dick Morris was before his camera went off. Colmes didn't get it. He thought they were "blaming" Obama and kept reciting the usual list of accusations against Bush. He apparently did not understand of was pretending not to understand market reaction.

What some people don't get (and I'm surprised Colmes can even feed himself he's so stupid) is that the market is basically a bet on the future. Right now the market is telling you that it does not like the future with Obama calling the shots and the De's in charge of Congress.

Back when Clinton got elected the first time, the Dem's were taking credit for any up day on the market before he got sworn in, and they said the same thing about the market. OK, if it was appropriate then,it's appropriate now.

Colmes wants to keep forgetting that the Dem's have been in control of Congress, and therefore fiscal policy, for over 2 years now.

They own this.

366 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:45:36am

Got to get ready for work. Later.

367 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:45:56am

re: #356 Jewels (AKA Julian)

For complete intellectual gibberish, click on this link. if you want different gibberish, refresh the page

[Link: www.elsewhere.org...]

If one examines subtextual discourse, one is faced with a choice: either reject Lacanist obscurity or conclude that the State is capable of significance. If dialectic neosemioticist theory holds, we have to choose between Lacanist obscurity and the dialectic paradigm of reality. It could be said that Marxist class states that language is fundamentally a legal fiction, given that the premise of Lacanist obscurity is invalid.

Many theories concerning subcultural socialism exist. Therefore, Foucault promotes the use of Lacanist obscurity to challenge and modify society.

The subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a paradox. In a sense, Baudrillard uses the term ‘Lacanist obscurity’ to denote the dialectic, and some would say the fatal flaw, of materialist sexual identity.

Porter[1] holds that we have to choose between capitalist libertarianism and neodialectic narrative. Therefore, an abundance of theories concerning the role of the reader as observer may be revealed.

How much education did it take to make so much stupid?

368 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:46:26am

Laters 3wood

369 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:46:45am

Did anyone see the JFK assassination moonbat fest on PBS last night?

You hotheads out there. Please please please do not make O a martyr for the left. I am serious. Now that the country has temporarily lost its marbles it needs the full effect of his administration (or lack thereof) to understand its mistake and never ever make it again!

370 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:47:32am

re: #364 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven. Apparently the Republicans never heard of this or they agreed to sit back and watch.

371 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:47:41am

re: #357 3 wood

I would not be surprised if he names Chavez or Castro.

By the way, this was the worst first 9 months of the year for the market since 1907.

You know, the era back when the Cubs could still win championships.

He will probably name the Senator from my state that ran the Banking committee so well...Chris Dodd. If that weasel gets re-elected in two years I just might have to move.

372 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:48:34am

Hopefully there will be no assassination attempts on Obama. Another thing to hope for is that America with its eyes wide shut will wake up in 2010 to end the pain we will be feeling under an Obama nut administration.

373 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:48:41am

re: #367 MandyManners

that's because the site lampoons pomo. it's a random PoMo generator like the good old Autorantic Virtual Moonbat, but even less comprehensible.

Sadly, I had to read some pomo stuff back in university...it's about as comprehensible...read...it isn't

374 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:49:07am

re: #370 legalpad

I heard of it but I wasn't a Republican at the time;)

375 rightside  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:49:52am

re: #367 MandyManners

A fine example of intellectuals. Remember CBBHO is one. Lots of big words, but meaning nothing.

376 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:49:55am

re: #367 MandyManners

How much education did it take to make so much stupid?

About one class less than Obama took.

377 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:50:27am

re: #370 legalpad

Cloward-Piven. Apparently the Republicans never heard of this or they agreed to sit back and watch.

I don't think they've heard of it. Or, maybe they've heard of it but think that if they talk about it, they'll sound like a buncha' nuts.

BTW, why would they agree to sit back and watch?

378 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:52:16am

OK. I have something to do that actually requires my paying attention, so I will be back later.

379 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:52:20am

re: #373 Jewels (AKA Julian)

that's because the site lampoons pomo. it's a random PoMo generator like the good old Autorantic Virtual Moonbat, but even less comprehensible.

Sadly, I had to read some pomo stuff back in university...it's about as comprehensible...read...it isn't

Oh, thank goodness. It made no sense at all.

380 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:10am

re: #377 MandyManners

Deep deep cynicism with a raw lust for power.

At some point in the GOP power won out over principals.

A lot of folks say that always happens when a party controls all the branches of government.

381 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:22am

Louisiana Coushatta Indians Tribe establishes ties with Israel

The Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana will recognize and honor Israel, becoming the first Native American tribe to do so in such a ceremony.

There's a more complete story in the printed version of the newspaper.
Interesting

382 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:33am

Q: How many postmodernists does it take to change a lightbulb ?

A: Two: One to ponder the subtextualities of change regarding the cultural hegemony of the electrical/manual pseudoduality and the other to call a janitor

383 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:44am

I just heard on the radio that Sen. Kennedy brought his two dogs to the Senate yesterday. They are both Portuguese water dogs.

Are you sitting down?

One of them is named Splash.

384 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:55:17am

re: #333 3 wood

Lots of people taking their capital gains now at the lower tax rate as well.

385 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:56:24am

re: #382 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Did they change it or did they convince themselves that "on-ness" was patriarchal hegemony?

386 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:56:26am

re: #380 unclassifiable

Deep deep cynicism with a raw lust for power.

At some point in the GOP power won out over principals.

A lot of folks say that always happens when a party controls all the branches of government.

The GOP controlled all three branches?

387 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:04am

re: #365 3 wood

. . .

Colmes wants to keep forgetting completely ignores that the Dem's have been in control of Congress, and therefore fiscal policy, for over 2 years now.

They own this.

388 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:14am

re: #386 MandyManners

OK SCOTUS is a stretch.

389 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:19am

Good Morning all. Bob (I played football) Beckle is now on FNC.
He is naming what to him would be a fantasy cabinet. For Homeland Security he wants Chuck Hagle!

390 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:40am

re: #383 freedombilly

I just heard on the radio that Sen. Kennedy brought his two dogs to the Senate yesterday. They are both Portuguese water dogs.

Are you sitting down?

One of them is named Splash.

Oh, heaven's to Betsy!

391 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:58:04am

re: #388 unclassifiable

OK SCOTUS is a stretch.

Congress?

392 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:58:28am

re: #391 MandyManners

Before 2006

393 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:59:39am

supreme court of the united states re: #391 MandyManners

394 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:02am

re: #389 opnion

Good Morning all. Bob (I played football) Beckle is now on FNC.
He is naming what to him would be a fantasy cabinet. For Homeland Security he wants Chuck Hagle!

Can you give me a run-down on Hagel? From what I've read, he's not much of a Republican.

395 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:20am

re: #393 apachegunner
?

396 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:56am

re: #393 apachegunner

supreme court of the united states

I don't see how either party can control the judicial branch. A philosophy, yes. A party? No.

397 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:56am

re: #395 apachegunner

?

second-guessing yourself?

398 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:01:20am

re: #377 MandyManners

I don't think they've heard of it. Or, maybe they've heard of it but think that if they talk about it, they'll sound like a buncha' nuts.

BTW, why would they agree to sit back and watch?

I don't know, but I have gotten the distinct impression that sometimes the Bush silence at the left's relentless and ridiculous attacks was no accident. And looking at his immigration policies, you have to start wondering about his underlying political philosophy. I mean - he can't really buy into this "racism" idea regarding immigration.

399 BaseballMom57  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:03am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

Awesome! Haven't seen that cartoon in a long time. I wish Cartoon Network showed the classics. Instead, we get stuck with absolute garbage.

Ain't that the truth? Some of what they show is just plain ugly - the drawing is not smooth or easy to look at - the themes are ridiculous and usually center around adults too stupid to think for themselves. Jimmy Neutron is visually well done, but the adults are portrayed as clueless.

400 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:14am

The Weather Channel's local weather station is sporting a green logo.

401 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:57am

re: #394 MandyManners

Can you give me a run-down on Hagel? From what I've read, he's not much of a Republican.

Hagel is really anti administration. He does not like Republicans very much & usually supports Dems. He used to be really tight with McCain, but he broke to support Obama.

402 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:59am

re: #383 freedombilly

I just heard on the radio that Sen. Kennedy brought his two dogs to the Senate yesterday. They are both Portuguese water dogs.

Are you sitting down?

One of them is named Splash.

Is the other one named Chappaquiddick?

403 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:03:29am

I've been spending a fair amount of my time explaining to my students the economic down turn -- what the market is doing etc. In the spring I'm planning to build two of my courses around the themes of debunking their political and economic mythologies. They really don't have a clue.

404 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:03:33am

re: #398 legalpad

I don't know, but I have gotten the distinct impression that sometimes the Bush silence at the left's relentless and ridiculous attacks was no accident. And looking at his immigration policies, you have to start wondering about his underlying political philosophy. I mean - he can't really buy into this "racism" idea regarding immigration.

It's a lot cheaper for business to have a large pool of workers who won't bitch about shitty conditions, who won't demand health insurance and who will work for less than what citizens will work for.

405 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:03:57am

re: #365 3 wood

Colmes wants to keep forgetting that the Dem's have been in control of Congress, and therefore fiscal policy, for over 2 years now.
They own this.

Of course, but they will never admit it. No one asked Obama which Bush policy adversely affected the economy.

406 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:04:13am

re: #401 opnion

Hagel is really anti administration. He does not like Republicans very much & usually supports Dems. He used to be really tight with McCain, but he broke to support Obama.

I appreciate his military service but, fuck him.

407 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #397 reine.de.tout
yep, always

408 Irish Rose  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:06:32am

Good morning, lizards.
Freezing my ass off here along the Lake Michigan shoreline, getting ready to go out and shovel the first @#$@ snowfall of the season.

Coffee. Now.

409 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:07:39am

re: #400 MandyManners
News Flash: Hottest October on record throughout the history of man, and the terminator says the california fires are caused by global warming. spit

410 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:07:52am

re: #398 legalpad

I don't know, but I have gotten the distinct impression that sometimes the Bush silence at the left's relentless and ridiculous attacks was no accident. And looking at his immigration policies, you have to start wondering about his underlying political philosophy. I mean - he can't really buy into this "racism" idea regarding immigration.

When the Republicans lost the House & Senate a couple of years ago, President Bush looked on the bright side & said "At leat I have a Congress that will workk with me on Comprehensive Immigration Reform."

411 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:10am

Military service is admirable but by no means a qualifier for public office. I served in the military had the perfect temperment for it, but i would never think of running for public office. I really don't have the temperment to deal with it. My first day in congress I'd be escorted out by security after physically tossing Senators out on the street.

412 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:33am

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist


No - too obvious. You should not keep it - except perhaps a printed copy over your computer.
Besides - do you know what the Arabic words are? If it the Al Jazera logo.
Al Jazera means - Al (the) Jazera (Island)
If the words are something else I apologize I cannot read Aribic.

413 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:41am

re: #406 MandyManners

I appreciate his military service but, fuck him.

Hagle has morphed into a bitter clown.

414 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:58am

re: #410 opnion

I have defended Bush several times but on that topic he sucked.

415 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:02am

re: #403 Lucius Septimius
careful lucius they will get you for being out of step.

416 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:34am

re: #409 apachegunner

News Flash: Hottest October on record throughout the history of man, and the terminator says the california fires are caused by global warming. spit

That's another RINO that just doesn't get it.

417 Crux Australis  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:52am

Does anyone know what's going to happen to the US Auto Industry?

And what effect it will have on the overseas subsidiaries? There are up to 100,000 jobs directly or indirectly involved in the Auto Industry in Australia.

418 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:10:18am

Mourn Lucius and his lose of tenure come January.
realwrangler

419 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:10:28am

re: #377 MandyManners

According to your link, Rudy Giuliani actually attacked Cloward and Piven as the radicals who drove NYC's welfare rolls so high that it nearly bankrupted the city. He also successfully fought back with welfare reform, saving NYC from bankruptcy.

That's why I supported Giuliani in the GOP primaries-- not because he was ideologically pure or even personally unblemished, but because he GOT IT. He totally GOT IT!

420 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:10:45am

re: #413 opnion

Hagle has morphed into a bitter clown.

Did he hold delusions that the president would turn to him for advice?

421 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:11:08am

re: #404 MandyManners

It's a lot cheaper for business to have a large pool of workers who won't bitch about shitty conditions, who won't demand health insurance and who will work for less than what citizens will work for.

But ultimately, they do bitch, because they know that here, unlike Mexico, there will be a response. And they provide a sea of easy to manipulate voters for the left.

422 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:11:39am

re: #417 Crux Australis
all foriegn divisions of GM are in the black I understand.

423 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:11:45am

re: #419 quickjustice

According to your link, Rudy Giuliani actually attacked Cloward and Piven as the radicals who drove NYC's welfare rolls so high that it nearly bankrupted the city. He also successfully fought back with welfare reform, saving NYC from bankruptcy.

That's why I supported Giuliani in the GOP primaries-- not because he was ideologically pure or even personally unblemished, but because he GOT IT. He totally GOT IT!

BUT WHY DIDN'T HE RUN A REAL RACE?

I am still upset about it.

424 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:12:58am

re: #421 legalpad

But ultimately, they do bitch, because they know that here, unlike Mexico, there will be a response. And they provide a sea of easy to manipulate voters for the left.

They don't have nearly the strong voice that legal workers have for the mere fact that they're illegal.

425 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:13:39am

re: #414 unclassifiable

I have defended Bush several times but on that topic he sucked.

Yeah he did. Bush always thought that as a border state governor that he had a special insight into immigration.
He was meeting with Mexican President, Vincente Fox about "Immigration Reform", early in Bush's presidency. Then 9/11 happened & Open Borders went off of the table. Fox really got his nose out of joint.

426 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:14:10am

re: #404 MandyManners

Businesses that hire illegal workers do so to save money on salaries and employee benefits and pensions, including health insurance. That shifts costs to taxpayers who have to pay to support overcrowded emergency rooms and social services that the illegals use because they don't have insurance.

That's why we should crack down hard on businesses that employ illegals.

427 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:14:12am

re: #405 legalpad

Of course, but they will never admit it. No one asked Obama which Bush policy adversely affected the economy.

It was him just being there. Democrats -- including some relatively intelligent ones -- seem to believe that there is some sort of magical power associated with the presidency. The personality of the office-holder, his relative virtues and vices, determine the nature of the economy, foreign relations, domestic tranquility, and, in the most extreme cases, the weather. The world smiles on the right sort of leader and all is good; the world frowns on Bush and everything goes to hell.

Now there is some truth to this perception. The way a leader is perceived does have an impact on the market and foreign relations (albeit not the weather). As 3wood said, the market is a measure of faith in the future. But the character of the officeholder is not the issue: it is the matter of policy. And the president has no magic wand or special charisma that allows him to fundamentally alter economic and political realities. Indeed, one could argue that the president does little in the way of "decision making." There are choices among a limited range of options, but generally it's a matter of following the flow of events and trying to just stay on top of them. In other words, the president does not have the power to determine the direction things take, only the power to manage those situations as well as possible.

An arrogant man might believe that he has the power to change the flow of events in a decisive manner, and that his mere presence in the office will effect such a change. That is a foolish thought, but one the president is encouraged to have. If he takes the bait, the results can be disastrous. Never forget, Roosevelt's "decisiveness" deepened the depression and extended it; Carter's "charisma" brought us stagflation, political chaos, and encouraged our enemies' boldness.

428 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:15:03am

re: #410 opnion

When the Republicans lost the House & Senate a couple of years ago, President Bush looked on the bright side & said "At least I have a Congress that will work with me on Comprehensive Immigration Reform."

My question about Bush was, why was he for this crazy version of immigration "reform" anyway? I always felt that the term "comprehensive" meant that they were going to piggyback something in there that no one likes. Why would Bush want something like this. It isn't fair, it isn't conservative, and it empowers the left - permanently.

429 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:15:04am

re: #415 apachegunner

careful lucius they will get you for being out of step.

Nah, they know what I'm all about.

430 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:15:58am

re: #423 MandyManners

BUT WHY DIDN'T HE RUN A REAL RACE?

I am still upset about it.

Me too. How much do you want to bet the dems made a bunch of promises about unity.

431 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:16:38am

re: #423 MandyManners

The geniuses advising him clearly weren't as smart as they thought they were. In addition, Giuliani shafted a key campaign adviser who had prepared the book of his negatives later leaked to the press by-- guess who?

432 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:17:37am

re: #420 MandyManners

Did he hold delusions that the president would turn to him for advice?

He got into the McCain camp during the Primaries 8 years ago.
There was bitterness after & Hagle just kept going Left.
Bush might have been able to pull him back if he stroked his ego, but there were bigger issues like the WOT.

433 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:18:25am

re: #424 MandyManners

They don't have nearly the strong voice that legal workers have for the mere fact that they're illegal.

That's true now. Later - after a couple of decades - the middle class voter will be buried in an avalanche of voters who are used to socialist oppression and who are bussed to the polls by Spanish-speaking poll workers.

434 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:19:28am

re: #430 Lucius Septimius

Now they are taking the "unity" thing nationwide with the "Divided we Fail" advertising campaign (with the "eledonkey" symbol).

"Unity" of course means the conservatives have to STFD and STFU.

Anything to add Mandy?

435 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:21:06am

re: #434 unclassifiable

Now they are taking the "unity" thing nationwide with the "Divided we Fail" advertising campaign (with the "eledonkey" symbol).

"Unity" of course means the conservatives have to STFD and STFU.

Anything to add Mandy?

We can all be good little daleks and run around saying "I obey" over and over and over and over again.

It's "Democracy"!

/

436 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:21:21am

Good morning Lizards...

437 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:21:57am

Good morning dorian.

438 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:22:08am

re: #436 doriangrey

Good morning Dorian. How's tricks?

439 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:22:50am

Morning Dorian

440 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:22:57am

re: #426 quickjustice

Businesses that hire illegal workers do so to save money on salaries and employee benefits and pensions, including health insurance. That shifts costs to taxpayers who have to pay to support overcrowded emergency rooms and social services that the illegals use because they don't have insurance.

That's why we should crack down hard on businesses that employ illegals.

You are exctly right. The canard about not liking "Brown" people is ludicrus. The issue is that we are being overwhelmed.
Wages are depressed, schools are overwhelmed as are hospitals, social services, the courts & prisons.
Wages go back to Mexico in the form of remittances & leave our economy. Employers get a low paid work force & let the taxpayer cover benefits.

441 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:23:04am

re: #427 Lucius Septimius
gosh, that was like sitting in your classroom, ya know? I updinged it for it's brevity.

442 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:23:15am

Just to lighten the mood a little about the DOW
NEW STOCK MARKET TERMS
CEO --Chief Embezzlement Officer.
CFO-- Corporate Fraud Officer.
BULL MARKET -- A random market movement causing an investor to
mistake himself for a financial genius.
BEAR MARKET -- A 6 to 18 month period when the kids get no
allowance, the wife gets no jewelry, and the husband gets no sex.
VALUE INVESTING -- The art of buying low and selling lower.
P/E RATIO -- The percentage of investors wetting their pants
as the market keeps crashing.
BROKER -- What my broker has made me.
STANDARD & POOR -- Your life in a nutshell.
STOCK ANALYST -- Idiot who just downgraded your stock.
STOCK SPLIT -- When your ex-wife and her lawyer split your
assets equally between themselves.
FINANCIAL PLANNER -- A guy whose phone has been disconnected.
MARKET CORRECTION -- The day after you buy stocks.
CASH FLOW-- The movement your money makes as it disappears
down the toilet.
YAHOO -- What you yell after selling it to some poor sucker
for $240 per share.
WINDOWS -- What you jump out of when you're the sucker who
bought Yahoo @ $240 per share.
INSTITUTIONAL INVESTOR -- Past year investor who's now locked
up in a nuthouse.

cont

443 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:23:36am

PROFIT -- An archaic word no longer in use.

444 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:23:46am

re: #441 apachegunner

Life is filled with 2 minute explanations of difficult concepts.

445 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:24:10am

re: #437 unclassifiable

Good morning dorian.

Good morning unclassifiable...


re: #438 Lucius Septimius

Good morning Dorian. How's tricks?

Morning Lucius... Meh, you know... Even at $500.00 a pop I have to beat them off with a stick... lol...lol...lol...

446 sadhu  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:24:51am

re: #354 3 wood

3wood -- I've really been enjoying listening to shadowtrader's technical analysis throughout the day via thinkorswim --- it's really been an amazing time to be following the markets (and not getting hammered directly) --- and it ain't over yet!

447 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:24:59am

re: #439 Rancher

Morning Dorian

Morning Rancher... Er, it is Rancher, right?

448 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:24:59am

Headed out my breakfast cook called in sick so i get to work 2 jobs today for 1 paycheck. From now on any comment will be real Ranchers.


/puff of blue smoke with a side of Smurfberry pie

449 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:25:05am

hiya Dorian

450 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:25:44am

re: #433 legalpad

That's true now. Later - after a couple of decades - the middle class voter will be buried in an avalanche of voters who are used to socialist oppression and who are bussed to the polls by Spanish-speaking poll workers.

The entire situation will become unsustainable when the entitled class outnumbers the contributors. All that remains then is Socialism.

451 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:25:48am

re: #435 Lucius Septimius

This is especially irksome because I don't want to drive liberals from the public sphere. I am one of those folks who happens to think that opposition and dialogue can result in good things happening. I see a limit in human intelligence and opposition may bring up points that other factions may not have considered.

Sadly I do not think that the socialist/communist wing of the so-called progressive movement sees it the same way.

To be fair, there are fanatics on the right who have the same scorched earth policy also.

452 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:26:45am

re: #449 apachegunner

hiya Dorian

Morning Baileys... Er Gunner... lol...lol...lol...

453 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:27:27am

Realwrangler Dorian. Rancher still abed i think. I'm truely out now

454 tappin52  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:28:04am

re: #419 quickjustice

Exactly why I supported Giuliani. I could not believe how little traction he got.

455 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:28:04am

re: #452 doriangrey
ok, I am changing to irish whiskey :)

456 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:28:34am

re: #453 Rancher

Realwrangler Dorian. Rancher still abed i think. I'm truely out now

The way you take advantage of your poor old dad... lol...lol...lol...

457 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:29:41am

re: #455 apachegunner

ok, I am changing to irish whiskey :)

ROTFLMAO... You know the old saying... God invented Whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over the world... ;p

458 Irish Rose  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:30:59am

re: #451 unclassifiable

To be fair, there are fanatics on the right who have the same scorched earth policy also.

/understatement

459 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:31:06am

re: #457 doriangrey
yes, and it worked didn't it, and we scotts are glad it did :>)

460 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:32:28am

Good Morning Lizards..
Well I'm back at work..Sure was fun having the day off yesterday.

461 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:33:30am

morning hoops re: #460 HoosierHoops

462 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:33:32am

re: #450 opnion

The entire situation will become unsustainable when the entitled class outnumbers the contributors. All that remains then is Socialism.

So here is what we need to do.

463 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:33:55am

re: #459 apachegunner

yes, and it worked didn't it, and we scotts are glad it did :>)

ROTFLMAO... Being of both Irish and Scottish decent I resemble that remark... ;)

464 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:34:21am

re: #460 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
Well I'm back at work..Sure was fun having the day off yesterday.

Morning hoops... Got coffee?

465 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:34:52am

re: #461 apachegunner

morning hoops

morning gunner..Shoot anything yet today? or is a few more shots of whiskey in order?
:)

466 Irish Rose  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:35:48am

re: #457 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... You know the old saying... God invented Whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over the world... ;p

This is absolutely true!

467 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:36:09am

re: #464 doriangrey

Morning hoops... Got coffee?

Nope..Got to go fill up my cup...need.to.stop.yawning.

468 Irish Rose  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:37:38am

Damn, I wish I had more time this morning to chat but I have to go to work... looong day ahead.

Have a good one, lizards.

469 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:37:52am

re: #467 HoosierHoops

Nope..Got to go fill up my cup...need.to.stop.yawning.

Here let me pass you a little... /Disclaimer... If you spill it and it burns a hole in anything it's not my fault... ;p

470 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:38:22am

With apologies to Zombie, here's the real reason we're declaring victory in Iraq: [Link: righteousmothers.com...]

Sent to me by my lesbian-moonbat aunt, so be forewarned. NSW, probably.

471 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:38:25am

re: #467 HoosierHoops

Nope..Got to go fill up my cup...need.to.stop.yawning.


yawning? at work?

472 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:38:30am

re: #468 Irish Rose

Damn, I wish I had more time this morning to chat but I have to go to work... looong day ahead.

Have a good one, lizards.

You have a nice one too Rose...

473 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:38:35am

re: #460 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
Well I'm back at work..Sure was fun having the day off yesterday.

Morning HH.

474 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:39:20am

re: #471 apachegunner

yawning? at work?

What's your point. YAAAWWWNNN

475 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:40:13am

re: #474 Ford_Prefect

What's your point. YAAAWWWNNN

Morning Ford... It's on his head... But not to worry, he has a hat to cover it up... lol...lol...lol...

476 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:42:28am

OK..I'll back with coffee..Howdy everybody!
who is not here? We need to talk behind somebodies back today..
LOL

477 saberry0530  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:42:58am

re: #475 doriangrey

Hey Dorian, check out my nic pic. Thats my Vette!

478 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:43:21am

re: #476 HoosierHoops

OK..I'll back with coffee..Howdy everybody!
who is not here? We need to talk behind somebodies back today..
LOL

We can talk about realwest, he's not here yet... ;p

479 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:43:41am

re: #451 unclassifiable

This is especially irksome because I don't want to drive liberals from the public sphere. I am one of those folks who happens to think that opposition and dialogue can result in good things happening. I see a limit in human intelligence and opposition may bring up points that other factions may not have considered.

Sadly I do not think that the socialist/communist wing of the so-called progressive movement sees it the same way.

To be fair, there are fanatics on the right who have the same scorched earth policy also.

I will grant you that there are some aligned with the right who would prefer uniformity and the total elimination of dissent. They are far less numerous than their leftist counterparts and, I would argue, are not even really conservatives. Genuine conservatives believe in dialogue and free speech, mainly because they are opposed to the notion that government or any public authority ought to impinge on the private sphere. The bedrock of conservatism is the conception of individual liberty and human dignity and of the preservation of the wall between public and private.

Leftists, and those "fanatics on the right" you refer to, are collectivists. They view the individual as only having value as part of some kind of larger collectivity. There is no room for individual private space -- the reservation of such space is a sign of "false consciousness" or even "counter-revolutionary thinking." ALL actions we take, whether making a cup of coffee (with water drawn from an endangered lake, fliters from trees, and beans produced by oppressed peasants) or taking a leak (it is tremendously rude for men to pee standing up as it is a means of perpetuating out-moded bio-determinist gender categories which have historically been used for the oppression of womyn and others whose conception of their sexuality do not conform to masculinist hetero-normative bipolar hegemonies) have public implications. Consequently, there can be no aspect of our lives which is not potentially subject to review and censure by the "public interest."

Dissent has two faces. "Good" dissent is that which challenges the old order and undermines it. "Bad" dissent is that which stands in the way of progress. The leftist (and the "right-wing" fanatic) sees destruction of the old collective order as essential for the good of the world; only once the old collective order and its associated values and beliefs are eliminated can a new, positive collective order be created. If individual's "private" concerns suffer as a consequence, tough shit. Those private concerns are, at best, illusory, and, at worst, manifestations of the the evils inherent in the current collective order. There IS no private, there are no individuals; there is only the collective, defined however one will. If you conform fully to the new collective orders, you are practicing "good" dissent; if you persist in resisting the new collectivity, you are an evil dissenter, a counter-revolutionary, a bourgeois running dog etc.

In the end, I'd say the "right-wing" fanatic is really just an old fashioned Leftist, but one who has, for tactical reasons, chosen to align himself with conservatives and adopt conservative/traditionalist language to frame his definition of the new collective. But they are still collectivists. And both are, despite the "progressive" label, reactionaries. With regard to their vision of society, they want to turn back the clock to the Middle Ages.

480 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:44:17am

re: #477 saberry0530

Hey Dorian, check out my nic pic. Thats my Vette!

Sweet... Stingray, what year? 68?

481 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:44:23am

re: #475 doriangrey

Morning Ford... It's on his head... But not to worry, he has a hat to cover it up... lol...lol...lol...

Hey, we can't all have your hair. btw, will you get a haircut please. :-)

482 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:44:26am

Does anyone know if this interesting guy is a lizard?

483 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:46:23am

re: #481 Ford_Prefect

Hey, we can't all have your hair. btw, will you get a haircut please. :-)

There are millions of hairs on my head... Which one should I cut?

484 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:47:21am

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

Well put. I have always believed, for example, that the Nazis had a lot more in common with the left than the right. Totalitarian vs individual right to be left alone.

485 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:47:58am

re: #482 Spare O'Lake

Does anyone know if this interesting guy is a lizard?

I wouldn't want to be holding a life insurance policy on this guy.

486 saberry0530  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:48:01am

re: #480 doriangrey

Close '69. Upgraded the motor and tranny to a fuel injected 383 Holley stealth Ram, AFR heads, hydraulic roller cam 612 lift. Makes about 575 hp at the rear wheels. ALso put in a high performance 700R4 tranny. At cruise speeds get almost 28 MPG. Modern technology is such a wonderful thang!

487 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:48:46am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Chilly and sunny in the valley but none of the white crud's forecasted quite yet.

New avatar BTW.

:D

488 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:49:12am

re: #483 doriangrey

There are millions of hairs on my head... Which one should I cut?

Just make sure you stop before you look like this.

489 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:49:40am

re: #476 HoosierHoops

OK..I'll back with coffee..Howdy everybody!
who is not here? We need to talk behind somebodies back today..
LOL

I'm not here today.
Talk about me.

490 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:50:24am

re: #487 Miss Trixie

Nice. Do you have a dog?

491 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:50:27am

Last update - 14:23 18/11/2008

Olmert, after mob murder: Law enforcement needs 'shaking up'

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Well maybe if they didn't have to waste time investigating corrupt politicians, they would have more time to go after the real crooks?

492 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:50:55am

re: #487 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Chilly and sunny in the valley but none of the white crud's forecasted quite yet.

New avatar BTW.

:D


Good Morning Miss Trixie!

493 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:51:24am

bbl

494 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:52:07am

re: #486 saberry0530

Close '69. Upgraded the motor and tranny to a fuel injected 383 Holley stealth Ram, AFR heads, hydraulic roller cam 612 lift. Makes about 575 hp at the rear wheels. ALso put in a high performance 700R4 tranny. At cruise speeds get almost 28 MPG. Modern technology is such a wonderful thang!

Shame you went with the 700R4, it's got some serious issues. Otherwise very sweet. I have a friend who has a 68 Macao Shark just about the same color, his is entirely original, but still very sweet.

495 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:53:04am

re: #487 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good morning {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Chilly and sunny in the valley but none of the white crud's forecasted quite yet.

New avatar BTW.

:D

Good morning Miss Trixie...

496 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:53:37am

re: #489 reine.de.tout

I'm not here today.
Talk about me.

And silver bikini's?

497 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:53:43am

Last night my wife was talking about Hilliary being Sec of State and made the comment that then she would be 3rd in line for the Presidency? I asked who she was Gen Haig? It took her a few seconds to realize her mistake.

498 mithrax  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:53:57am

As a longtime lurker, I thought I'd do one of my rare postings, because deep down I'm a sadistic sob in the mornings:

Youtube Video
499 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:55:43am

re: #498 mithrax

As a longtime lurker, I thought I'd do one of my rare postings, because deep down I'm a sadistic sob in the mornings:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Ye Gods, back under the couch with you... j/k

500 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:57:22am

GM asks Germany for €1 billion credit guarantee

[Link: www.iht.com...]

That's a hot one! Wait let me get my loan request in also?

501 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:57:27am

FNC is now reporting on a Vermont school district that "allows" willing students to say the pledge in the foyer of the school. Those students who would be offended can stay in the classroom. These are grade school kids!

502 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:57:27am

re: #403 Lucius Septimius
I am not sure I do either, If I beg could you send me your course notes?

Please? Would spring be too late?

503 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:58:14am

re: #496 doriangrey

And silver bikini's?

LOL!
naw, I'm the one who used to have the gold pants like the ones in the 60's World's Fair video Charles posted the other day.

504 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:58:27am

re: #490 legalpad

Nice. Do you have a dog?

Yes I do. She's a 10 year-old smartypants yorkie called Miss Trixie and she's the light of my life. I'll post her pic as an avatar later this week in the meantime I'm having fun with this one from ICHC. :D

{Hoosier} Morning!

{Dorian} Morning!

You two staying out of trouble?

505 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:59:22am

G 'day from Down Under to {everyone}

If Erik the Red is still here:

Thanks for your wonderful South African ref for the Wallabies v Poms game :-)

506 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:00:14am

re: #504 Miss Trixie

Yes I do. She's a 10 year-old smartypants yorkie called Miss Trixie and she's the light of my life. I'll post her pic as an avatar later this week in the meantime I'm having fun with this one from ICHC. :D

{Hoosier} Morning!

{Dorian} Morning!

You two staying out of trouble?

Other than trying to get all of Lizardom drunk before they go to work this morning, of course... ;)

507 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:00:38am

Good morning everyone!

Of all the new hatchlings last night, how many got the axe already?

508 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:00:47am

re: #504 Miss Trixie

Yes I do. She's a 10 year-old smartypants yorkie called Miss Trixie and she's the light of my life. I'll post her pic as an avatar later this week in the meantime I'm having fun with this one from ICHC. :D

{Hoosier} Morning!

{Dorian} Morning!

You two staying out of trouble?

I'm trying..really..
*looks around innocently*

509 saberry0530  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:01:35am

re: #494 doriangrey

Shame you went with the 700R4, it's got some serious issues. Otherwise very sweet. I have a friend who has a 68 Macao Shark just about the same color, his is entirely original, but still very sweet.

700R4 is a great tranny now. the first 2 years of production they had major issues. Once they upgraded the input shaft and people started understanding the TV cable to pump relationship they are almost as strong as the Turbo 400 that it replaced.

510 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:01:42am

re: #484 legalpad

Well put. I have always believed, for example, that the Nazis had a lot more in common with the left than the right. Totalitarian vs individual right to be left alone.

A really good book -- Gerald Brenan's The Spanish Labyrinth explains the connections between fascism, anarchism, and syndicalism. They are all creatures of the left. And at base, they are all about a rejection of and reaction against several key aspects of modern progress:

1) Economic liberty
2) Personal emancipation from collective orders (race, class, gender, family)
3) The expansion of the private
4) The equal dignity of all individuals

Of course, as John Locke pointed out more than two centuries ago, these are the sorts of things that good parents want of their kids -- we want them to be self-actualized individuals, economically independent, with their own homes and private lives that while not closed to us do not impinge on our private space either. Modern individualism is the political ideology of grown-ups; leftism and its fascist offshoots constitute the political ideology of immature brats and domineering castrating mothers.

511 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:02:26am

re: #503 reine.de.tout

LOL!
naw, I'm the one who used to have the gold pants like the ones in the 60's World's Fair video Charles posted the other day.

ROFLMAO... I vaguely remembered some rather embarrassing admissions a couple days ago, just couldn't remember who admitted to what... lol...lol...lol... ;p

512 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:02:31am

re: #502 LindaMarie

I am not sure I do either, If I beg could you send me your course notes?

Please? Would spring be too late?

If I had notes -- I usually just make it up as I go along. No, seriously.

513 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:03:00am

The Congress is wondering why with half of the original bailout money spent, foreclosures continue & credit did not loosen up. Idiots!
They are buying other banks to get more bailout money.

514 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:03:06am

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

The difficult tasks is that many of us have chosen freedom from choice as a matter of convenience.

515 DistantThunder  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:03:31am

Question: Is Bill Ayers Mad? Not angry, I mean delusional, mad-hatter type of mad? He and his lovely terrorist wife Bernadine believe the prison system should be abolished.

So let me get this straight: Obama will close Gitmo. The terrorists will be moved to US prisons - and Billy Boy wants to "abolish" those same prisons?

No wonder Rumsfeld was so intent on killing terrorists - not arresting them, not chatting with them, not reading them them their non-resistant Miranda rights.

Killing terrorists.

516 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:04:37am

US Admiral 'stunned' by pirates' reach

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Maybe it's just me, but I think there are certain words a US Admiral just shouldn't use. Also maybe all these ships should maybe hire armed guards?

517 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:05:09am

re: #514 unclassifiable

The difficult tasks is that many of us have chosen freedom from choice as a matter of convenience.

And out of fear of the unknown. We can't stand the idea that someone isn't taking care of us and providing us with a nifty set of rules to follow that relieve us of the responsibility of acting like moral beings.

518 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:05:37am

I just got off the phone with my loan officer.
I told him I was calling to ask when I could expect my bailout cheque.
The bastard didn't even laugh.

519 AceR  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:05:39am

I want to put up a new avatar, but frankly I am not savvy about how to clear my cache so that it can be viewed...can anyone help me?

520 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:06:16am

re: #515 DistantThunder

Question: Is Bill Ayers Mad? Not angry, I mean delusional, mad-hatter type of mad? He and his lovely terrorist wife Bernadine believe the prison system should be abolished.

So let me get this straight: Obama will close Gitmo. The terrorists will be moved to US prisons - and Billy Boy wants to "abolish" those same prisons?

No wonder Rumsfeld was so intent on killing terrorists - not arresting them, not chatting with them, not reading them them their non-resistant Miranda rights.

Killing terrorists.

Ayers is psychically stuck at 13, as are many members of his generation. His Marxism is nothing more than early-adolescent petulance tarted up with metaphysical jargon.

521 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:06:29am

re: #479 Lucius Septimius

I was with you to this point -

In the end, I'd say the "right-wing" fanatic is really just an old fashioned Leftist, but one who has, for tactical reasons, chosen to align himself with conservatives and adopt conservative/traditionalist language to frame his definition of the new collective. But they are still collectivists. And both are, despite the "progressive" label, reactionaries. With regard to their vision of society, they want to turn back the clock to the Middle Ages.


collective = Middle ages? I am not questioning you but rather asking for more detail.

522 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:08:08am

re: #10 Wyatt Earp

all gave some
SOME GAVE ALL

523 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:10:12am

re: #512 Lucius Septimius
I believe you - all really good/great teachers to that, start with a theme and idea and go from there.

524 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:10:50am

re: #460 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
Well I'm back at work..Sure was fun having the day off yesterday.

Hey Hoosier

It was a nice long weekend. I made my favorite tuna casserole. Comfort food. yum

525 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:11:52am

Morning, all.

526 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:12:39am

There are two different types of right winger, the collectivist who turn to fascism and the libertarian who turn to smaller gov't., freedom and liberty I chose to fellow the latter group. my main problem with the Libertarian party is that on external affairs they have drunk the isolationist koolaid. I like the strong military vision of the neo-cons even if i disagree with the big gov't part of their program.

527 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:12:41am

re: #518 Spare O'Lake

I just got off the phone with my loan officer.
I told him I was calling to ask when I could expect my bailout cheque.
The bastard didn't even laugh.

LOL! Reminds me of the time my bank called to advise that I was overdrawn on my account and I said, "How can that be? I still have cheques left."

*pause*

*pause*

Absolutely NO humor with these folks. Yeesh.

528 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:12:58am
529 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:14:03am

re: #516 Nevergiveup

US Admiral 'stunned' by pirates' reach

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Maybe it's just me, but I think there are certain words a US Admiral just shouldn't use. Also maybe all these ships should maybe hire armed guards?

yes, how hard would it be to vaporize a 35 ft. water craft full of stupid pirates anyway, geeesh.

530 gregg  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:14:08am

re: #505 aussiemagpie

Has the movie "Australia" opened down there? Any word on whether it's worth checking out?

531 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:14:45am

H-P came in with some good profit numbers, so the market futures look a lot better just before the open.

We might actually not have another blood bath today in the market.

532 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:15:22am

Back in a bit. Good discussions folks. I have the next few weeks off and this and coffee is a great way to get the old brain started in the morning.

533 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:15:47am

midwestgak

It was a nice long weekend. I made my favorite tuna casserole. Comfort food. yum

Do you put crushed up potato chips on top just before baking?

Delish!

534 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:15:49am

Good morning all.

535 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:15:56am

re: #527 Miss Trixie

LOL! Reminds me of the time my bank called to advise that I was overdrawn on my account and I said, "How can that be? I still have cheques left."

*pause*

*pause*

Absolutely NO humor with these folks. Yeesh.

There is a concept that I have never been able to figure out the logic of. Overdraft fees. I mean they are charging you money for not having enough money. Does that make any sense to anyone?

536 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:16:20am

and I am off to a meeting, cya later

537 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:17:15am

re: #530 gregg

Has the movie "Australia" opened down there? Any word on whether it's worth checking out?

Something tells me that is going to bomb "Heaven's Gate" style.

538 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:17:52am

Charles - your attention for a moment if you please.

Clicking on "reply", "quote" and avatars keep bringing me to the main page instead of the intended actions of the buttons.

539 pie22  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:17:59am

Good Morning. Just wondering, Why do you think the left is so obsessed about Obamas security? If the Secret Service has kept President Bush safe for this long (I believe this to be a miracle) why would Obama be in such grave danger? If I remember the past 8 years correctly, the left thought it completely appropriate to destroy the President Of The United States Of America and they did not care how. They even went as far as making a movie depicting the assasination of a sitting President during 2 wars. I am quite sure the Secret Service can handle "The 1's" security minus the drama.

540 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:18:07am

re: #533 Miss Trixie

midwestgak


Do you put crushed up potato chips on top just before baking?

Delish!

Hey Trixie,

No, I like it smooth and creamy.

541 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:18:37am
542 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #516 Nevergiveup

US Admiral 'stunned' by pirates' reach

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Maybe it's just me, but I think there are certain words a US Admiral just shouldn't use. Also maybe all these ships should maybe hire armed guards?

Oh my. should have been edited.

543 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:19:29am

aussie and american history have a lot of parallels esp the idea of manifest destney and having a fronter.
and that both do not worship the euro were canukistan esp the conseratives want to be british or if liberal want to be euro.

544 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:20:45am

Phoenix, who has a AAA bond rating and balances its budget, wants a bailout. What they want is a loan to fund already approved Federal projects where they kick in 50% so as to immediately get people employed. These are infrastructure projects in health service, transportation. etc. I say that's a hell of allot better investment than giving it to the United Auto Workers.

545 gregg  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:20:48am

re: #537 JohnAdams

Something tells me that is going to bomb "Heaven's Gate" style.

I think expectations are running pretty high, so that's possible.

546 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:21:44am

re: #530 gregg

Has the movie "Australia" opened down there? Any word on whether it's worth checking out?

Hi, the grand opening was on tonight...

THERE were laughs and tears, smiles and edge of the seat action - but above all the long-awaited Baz Luhrmann epic film Australia sent the punters home happy.

The grins of the audience as they streamed out of last night's Sydney world premiere were almost as wide as the great red land that featured as the movie's backdrop.

Hope this helps...

547 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:21:51am

I need to get in the habit of saying good morning. Good morning lizards. As a cold blooded creature, it takes me a while to warm up to the world. Forgive if I forget.

548 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:23:10am

re: #509 saberry0530

700R4 is a great tranny now. the first 2 years of production they had major issues. Once they upgraded the input shaft and people started understanding the TV cable to pump relationship they are almost as strong as the Turbo 400 that it replaced.

Beefed-up, they're great for resto-mods or other street rods.

549 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:23:22am

re: #533 Miss Trixie

midwestgak

Do you put crushed up potato chips on top just before baking?

Delish!

My mom ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS used crushed chips on top of tuna casserole. Nothing else. It was indeed delish.

550 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:23:32am

re: #545 gregg

I think expectations are running pretty high, so that's possible.

Hugh Jackman seems a bit fancy-pants to me. Maybe this should have been a Mel Gibson role. Mel pulls off that Aussie swashbuckling fun-loving style very well.

551 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:23:36am

Good morning all y'all - from a COLD (30 degrees when I awoke this morning, going up to 44 degrees, then down to 22 degrees tomorrow morning!) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well this morning.

552 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:23:40am

.re: #535 Ford_Prefect

There is a concept that I have never been able to figure out the logic of. Overdraft fees. I mean they are charging you money for not having enough money. Does that make any sense to anyone?

Theirs is not to answer why,
Only to screw the little guy.

553 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:23:43am

re: #538 Miss Trixie

Charles - your attention for a moment if you please.

Clicking on "reply", "quote" and avatars keep bringing me to the main page instead of the intended actions of the buttons.

Man goes to a doctor and says "Doctor it hurts when I do this."
Doctor says "Well, don't do that."

:-)

554 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:24:20am

Good morning :-)

555 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:24:30am

Iron Fist,

700R4 is a transvestite?

700R4? Sounds like a droid. Does it speak Bocci?

556 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:24:55am

re: #554 heidi586

good morning!

557 gregg  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:25:23am

re: #546 aussiemagpie

Thanks. That's sounds promising.

558 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:25:25am

re: #551 realwest

Good morning RW. Cold again here this am about 40. Going down to 30 tonight however. But beautiful weather. Clear, low humidity (which makes hairstyling so much easier). : )

559 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:25:38am

re: #538 Miss Trixie

Charles - your attention for a moment if you please.

Clicking on "reply", "quote" and avatars keep bringing me to the main page instead of the intended actions of the buttons.

Happens to me sometimes too.

Sometimes I have to close out and just begin anew. Usually fixes things.

560 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:25:45am

re: #516 Nevergiveup

US Admiral 'stunned' by pirates' reach

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Maybe it's just me, but I think there are certain words a US Admiral just shouldn't use. Also maybe all these ships should maybe hire armed guards?

If navies would go around killing these pirates, the situation would improve. But of course it's our navy that would have to do the killing.

561 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:25:53am

re: #547 bellamags

I need to get in the habit of saying good morning. Good morning lizards. As a cold blooded creature, it takes me a while to warm up to the world. Forgive if I forget.

Forget what?

562 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:26:05am

re: #549 reine.de.tout

Mine too...layer of cheese (velveta) and then top that with crushed chips. I know what's for dinner tonight...YUM!

563 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:26:24am

re: #426 quickjustice

Businesses that hire illegal workers do so to save money on salaries and employee benefits and pensions, including health insurance. That shifts costs to taxpayers who have to pay to support overcrowded emergency rooms and social services that the illegals use because they don't have insurance.

That's why we should crack down hard on businesses that employ illegals.

Precisely but, where's the political will?

564 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:26:40am

See just how much of your state is...well, your state.
Federal land by state.
Federal land in Utah

565 Killian Bundy  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:26:53am

Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font

Three blocks from the White House, on the 10th floor of a sleek glass building, young workers pound at computers, with giant flat-screen TVs overhead. It has the look and feel of a high-tech startup.

In many ways it is. The product is ideas.

Thanks in part to funding from benefactors such as billionaire George Soros, the Center for American Progress has become in just five years an intellectual wellspring for Democratic policy proposals, including many that are shaping the agenda of the new Obama administration.

/Soros, the hand up puppet Obama's ass

566 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:27:16am

re: #527 Miss Trixie

LOL! Reminds me of the time my bank called to advise that I was overdrawn on my account and I said, "How can that be? I still have cheques left."
*pause*
*pause*
Absolutely NO humor with these folks. Yeesh.

I think they have to enter your response into their computer. So the *pause* is probably because they're not sure whether to type your joke in.
Mirthless assholes.

567 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:27:23am

re: #560 Ward Cleaver

If navies would go around killing these pirates, the situation would improve. But of course it's our navy that would have to do the killing.

And then we would be the bad guys for doing what the rest of the world needs done but no one has the b*lls to do.

568 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:27:25am

re: #561 Ford_Prefect

Forget what?

saying good morning. i usually don't smile until about 11 am. LOL

569 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:27:48am

re: #552 Spare O'Lake

.


Theirs is not to answer why,
Only to screw the little guy.

Every time I get some rep on the phone I rail them about the ubiquitous $25 "registration fee." You mean you're charging me for the privilege of signing up for a service you have not yet provided? You can chase it all the way up the chain of command and they will never be able to give evidence of any material consideration for your money.

570 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:27:58am
571 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:27:58am

re: #171 Moe Katz

Tofu? I think his current substance is more like Okara.
But, it's early in the planning and unfolding. I anxiously await to see his full "transparent" game plan laid out before I can give him Tofu substance.

572 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:28:10am

re: #560 Ward Cleaver

If navies would go around killing these pirates, the situation would improve. But of course it's our navy that would have to do the killing.

Why don't the British issue live ammo to their Navy?

573 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:28:44am

re: #524 midwestgak

Hey Hoosier

It was a nice long weekend. I made my favorite tuna casserole. Comfort food. yum

Good morning Gak.. Yes it was fun having yesterday off...

574 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:29:08am

re: #565 Killian Bundy

Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font

/Soros, the hand up puppet Obama's ass

Totally agree. When I look at Obama, I don't see a leader, I see a puppet.

575 cathypop  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:29:16am

re: #498 mithrax
Stop it! I have not had enough coffee yet.

576 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:29:20am

re: #542 bellamags

I hope that "dingy" is they're.."Hey let's go get a beer and get laid"
boat!
I would be shamed off the ocean if a craft like that actually took
mt supertanker!
Straff it with an M16 and never slow down !
How would you get from THAT to being on board a supertanker?
Deck of a tanker is 60 to 100 feet from the serface!
I don't get it!

577 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:29:21am

re: #521 LindaMarie

collective = Middle ages? I am not questioning you but rather asking for more detail.

Weber distinguished between two notions of society, "Gemeinschaft" and "Gesellschaft". In English, both terms would be translated as "society" but in German there is a significant distinction. Modern society is "Gesellschaft" -- made up of individuals freely associating with each other (Geselle = friends/colleagues). "Gemeinschaft" is the older social order based on the notion of community (Gemeinde).

In the medieval social order, so the argument goes, people lived in villages. In those villages there was no private property per se; rather, individuals rented the land they farmed and shared, as a community, common resources -- water, pasture, woods -- administered by the village council. In such a community your personal identity derived from your familial connections -- who you were related to -- your family's place within the commonality, your ties to various lords, etc. There was no individual "core" identity -- each person's identity was determined based on their place within the social network.

One way of conceiving of the Gemeinschaft understanding of the person is to think in terms of a Venn diagram. Each of the circles represent different collectivities -- race, class, family, educational level, profession, gender, age cadre, religious affiliations -- which intersect. "You" are defined by the peculiar intersection of those identities. What this means is that your individuality is extrinsic rather than intrinsic; the only identities are those conferred on us externally on account of membership in a group, and almost always a group that we have not chosen to be a member of.

In such a system, your life path is largely predetermined; ideally it is predetermined in a way that best suites the needs of the collective. So some children are selected to become officials and priests, others to become tradesmen and shopkeepers, others to be laborers, etc. That choice is based on background, but also on potential. In the end, however, it is the needs of the community at the moment that are decisive for determining the life-path of individuals. Social mobility is discouraged; the emphasis is on stability, harmony, with each in his proper place serving the collective good.

Modern individualism shattered that concept of community. The process began a long time ago -- arguably the crusades were critical (cf. Robert Bartlett's Making of Europe) in breaking up of the old order. The eighteenth and nineteenth century debated the notion, but ultimately the philosopher sorts ended up coming down on the side of Gemeinschaft as preferable, so long as it was "up-dated." Hegel, Marx, Durkheim, and various others all championed more or less directly the revival of the old social order. Modern "Communitarianism," rooted in Durkheim's ideas about social "anomie" and expressed in "compassionate conservatism", is just latest faddish version of this kind of reactionary thinking, elevating the collective over the individual. The Nazi social theorist Darre argued for a society reconfigured into myriad peasant villages; Soviet collectivization and Hippie "Communes" were the same thing.

The so-called progressives are genuine reactionaries.

578 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:29:22am

re: #551 realwest


It is warmer in Kabul : )
And even in Gardez. Not clean or safe - just warmer for now.
This will change.

579 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:30:11am

re: #430 Lucius Septimius

Me too. How much do you want to bet the dems made a bunch of promises about unity.

Why would Giuliani buy into that crap? He'd seen how divisive the Democrats could be all those years in NYC.

BTW, he'll be 68 in 2012. That's not old at all.

580 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:30:28am

This is actually a good story from the Washington Post about a spot of trouble Hugo Chavez is in:

Rampant violence a political danger for Chávez

581 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:30:46am

re: #568 bellamags

saying good morning. i usually don't smile until about 11 am. LOL

No, I mean you said "forgive and forget" and I said forget what...never mind...comedic timing is very difficult on a keyboard.

582 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:30:49am

Man with a wooden eye is self conscience about it, but wants to ask a woman on a date. He sees a woman across the room with a hare lip. He thinks maybe she might go out with him so he goes up to her and asks if she would like to go on a date with him. She is so excited that he asked her out, she blurted, "would I? would I?"

He in return blurted, "hair lip! hare lip!"

583 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:30:56am
584 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:31:02am

reine

My mom ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS used crushed chips on top of tuna casserole. Nothing else. It was indeed delish.

No other dish slams me back to 1968 in my mother's kitchen, smushing up of Old Dutch potato chips (a rare store-bought treat), and helping sprinkle them on top of the casserole. I remember our little black & white dog, Roxie, happily licking the salt and grease from my fingers, her tail a blur. Memories.

Another for your lizard cookbook?

585 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:31:04am

re: #528 Iron Fist

I think you give Ayers too much credit. Most thirteen year olds would tell you that killing cops and blowing shit up was wrong. You are way on the lunatic fringe if you think that was good.

I'm not thinking of healthy 13 year olds, only the really spoiled an petulant sort.

586 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:31:34am

re: #564 bosforus

See just how much of your state is...well, your state.
Federal land by state.
Federal land in Utah

Makes me glad I live in Texas.

587 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:31:37am

re: #546 aussiemagpie

sounds a bit like an american western something hollywird can't make anymore because it doesn't fit there p.c. world view. the review sounds like it is a good movie i should go see it.

588 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:31:57am

re: #557 gregg

Thanks. That's sounds promising.

This is from the Australian's online version now:

Luhrmann's epic succeeds in the end...

I'm rather looking forward to seeing it on the big screen now

589 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:31:59am

re: #580 Dark_Falcon

This is actually a good story from the Washington Post about a spot of trouble Hugo Chavez is in:

Rampant violence a political danger for Chávez

Reap what you sow.

590 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:32:03am

re: #558 bellamags
Good morning - 40 degrees? Right now that'd be a heat wave here in Charlotte! LOL!
Glad it helps with the hairstyling though!

591 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:32:10am

re: #551 realwest

Hey Real (waves)

Now, unfortunately, I've got to get to work. Late start on a cold morning.

592 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:32:24am

Ford

Man goes to a doctor and says "Doctor it hurts when I do this."
Doctor says "Well, don't do that."

Such a smartypants! :D


{realwest} Good morning, luv *smoochie* Missed you yesterday on the DT. How are you, hon?

593 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:32:26am

re: #564 bosforus

Yet another reason why I love Texas.

594 cathypop  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:32:47am

re: #586 Ward Cleaver

Me to.

595 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:32:57am

re: #572 Nevergiveup

Their police can't carry live weapons can they?

596 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:34:13am

re: #581 Ford_Prefect

No, I mean you said "forgive and forget" and I said forget what...never mind...comedic timing is very difficult on a keyboard.

OH. I am slow. I get it. anyway, good morning Ford! : )

597 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:34:57am

re: #586 Ward Cleaver
Yea,Lucky you!
80% of Utah is Federal!
Your tax dollars at work!

598 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:35:04am

re: #431 quickjustice

The geniuses advising him clearly weren't as smart as they thought they were. In addition, Giuliani shafted a key campaign adviser who had prepared the book of his negatives later leaked to the press by-- guess who?

I have no idea.

599 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:36:07am

Good morning Lizards. Back home again after a rip-roaring week in Alabama celebrating my son's wedding. Those Southerners sure know how to throw a party!

Now I'm completely broke and there are no jobs left in Michigan. Please buy stuff at the Zionist Emporium! It is my primary means of income right now.

600 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:36:12am

re: #432 opnion

He got into the McCain camp during the Primaries 8 years ago.
There was bitterness after & Hagle just kept going Left.
Bush might have been able to pull him back if he stroked his ego, but there were bigger issues like the WOT.

Sounds like a whiney, wanking toddler.

601 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:36:23am

re: #578 LindaMarie
Great. Just Effin' Great. Warmer in Kabul. Charming.
Well I'm happy for you (and for our troops there) but I still can't believe that, counting tomorrow, Charlotte, North Carolina (which is almost in South Carolina) will have had 3 straight days of below freezing weather and it's not even Thanksgiving yet!
That damned Al Gore!
Sigh.

602 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:36:31am

re: #584 Miss Trixie

You took me back with you as I read that. How sweet. And you guys talking about all this good food - my tummy is grumbling.

603 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:36:53am

re: #595 heidi586

The "Bobby" on the streets..no !
But Britians has Elite forces that rival ours...Cause we trained them!;-)

604 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:37:02am

re: #596 bellamags

OH. I am slow. I get it. anyway, good morning Ford! : )

Maybe this will make you smile. And good morning to you too.

605 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:37:05am

re: #433 legalpad

That's true now. Later - after a couple of decades - the middle class voter will be buried in an avalanche of voters who are used to socialist oppression and who are bussed to the polls by Spanish-speaking poll workers.

Who?

606 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:37:21am

re: #586 Ward Cleaver

re: #593 Hydrocarbon Hank

Not sure how to say this without invoking the wrath of Texans everywhere but...I've driven through Texas, not my cup of tea.

607 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:37:35am

re: #600 MandyManners

Sounds like a whiney, wanking toddler.

Any friend of Cracker Bob is no friend of mine.

608 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:38:12am

re: #434 unclassifiable

Now they are taking the "unity" thing nationwide with the "Divided we Fail" advertising campaign (with the "eledonkey" symbol).

"Unity" of course means the conservatives have to STFD and STFU.

Anything to add Mandy?

Isn't that the AARP commercial about health insurance?

609 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:38:27am

George Soros Obama

610 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:38:31am

re: #605 MandyManners

Who?

The descendants of our twenty million Spanish-speaking illegal aliens.

611 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:38:47am

re: #591 Lucius Septimius
Hey Lucius (Waves in the vain hope that he'll look into his rear-view mirror, but we all know these Geogria drivers never do that!). Have a great day!

612 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:39:02am

re: #587 yochanan

sounds a bit like an american western something hollywird can't make anymore because it doesn't fit there p.c. world view. the review sounds like it is a good movie i should go see it.

Hi, yes it does sound good and I wasn't going to see it at the movie theatre but I certainly will now- over the last few years I've saved lots of money by not going to the movies as I'm just not interested in the Hollywood idea of a good movie these days

613 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:39:24am

re: #565 Killian Bundy

Maybe they will temper their ideas with a little practicality. Otherwise Obama goes down in four years.

/Hope

614 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:39:29am

re: #606 bosforus

re: #593 Hydrocarbon Hank

Not sure how to say this without invoking the wrath of Texans everywhere but...I've driven through Texas, not my cup of tea.

Oh, I tell everyone it's a hell-hole. Stay in Michigan, I advised. But do they listen? Not often.

615 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:39:59am

re: #603 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm surprised anyone signs up to be be a 'bobby' then...with the youth gangs and immigration conflicts. Crazy! Now thats gun control to the total extreme.

616 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:40:32am

re: #572 Nevergiveup

Why don't the British issue live ammo to their Navy?

They might be tempted to use it, silly.

617 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:40:53am

re: #614 OldLineTexan

I here land is cheap in a place called...ah ...Galveston?

618 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:40:56am

re: #610 OldLineTexan

The descendants of our twenty million Spanish-speaking illegal aliens.

Channel 7 is now close captioning a lot of their programs with Spanish. I have a button on my remote that gives me the option. Channel 7 does not. I've quit watching it. Forcing it down my throat - no thanks.

619 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:40:59am

re: #616 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

They might be tempted to use it, silly.

Shades of Zulu Dawn.

620 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:41:00am

Hydrocarbon Hank

Yet another reason why I love Texas.

Me too but I have different reasons. :D

621 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:41:07am

re: #608 MandyManners

I didn't know that. It looked like "socialized medicine or bust" and I figured that it was the party line.

Still it seemed to say that there should be no opposition.

No way in hell am I ever going to be an AARP member.

622 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:41:09am

re: #569 JohnAdams

Every time I get some rep on the phone I rail them about the ubiquitous $25 "registration fee." You mean you're charging me for the privilege of signing up for a service you have not yet provided?

Can you imagine if they ran a retail store like we are used to seeing our phone/cable/etc. bills?

"That is $32 for the pants, plus $2.96 for tax, plus $2.50 registration fee for becoming one of our store patrons (this allows you to shop here), plus a $0.78 fee for using me as a cashier, plus $0.50 fuel charge for shipping the pants to the store, and lastly a $2.00 transaction fee. That's $40.74.

Do you want a bag? They are $1.25 each."

623 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:41:30am

re: #599 Alouette

Good morning Lizards. Back home again after a rip-roaring week in Alabama celebrating my son's wedding. Those Southerners sure know how to throw a party!

Now I'm completely broke and there are no jobs left in Michigan. Please buy stuff at the Zionist Emporium! It is my primary means of income right now.

The good news is you can go see some Old Time Hockey tonight in Birmingham!

624 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:42:15am

re: #584 Miss Trixie

reine

No other dish slams me back to 1968 in my mother's kitchen, smushing up of Old Dutch potato chips (a rare store-bought treat), and helping sprinkle them on top of the casserole. I remember our little black & white dog, Roxie, happily licking the salt and grease from my fingers, her tail a blur. Memories.

Another for your lizard cookbook?

Um, please yes send it on.
We're trying to finish up but perhaps there is time to get one more in.

625 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:42:27am

re: #592 {Miss Trixie} Hey hi there gorgeous *smooches* back atcha!
I'm not doing so hot today, mostly because of the prior thread, but I reckon I'll get over it.
How are you doing?

626 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:42:28am

re: #551 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a COLD (30 degrees when I awoke this morning, going up to 44 degrees, then down to 22 degrees tomorrow morning!) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well this morning.

G'day {darls} and it's a warm rainy night here in Sydney and *smooch* too :-)

627 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:42:45am

re: #615 heidi586
Years ago ..saw footage of Bobbies running with guns!
Had cute little tethers on them so children couldn't run off with them!
LOL

628 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:43:09am

It is snowing here in TN. I love snow, but I doubt we'll get any accumulation.

629 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:43:12am

re: #576 reloadingisnotahobby

The last tanker seizure was made with several high speed boats armed with RPG's.
One round through the hull would make a nice fireworks display of the crude carrying Supertanker. If that happened, no one lives to negotiate anything.

630 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:43:26am

OK this really pisses me off. I am located in a shopping center which also leases space to the DMV. A good thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of walk by traffic. The bad thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of TRAFFIC. Now some moron has parked his POS truck and trailer (which is loaded with 3 wrecked cars) in the 5 parking spaces right in front of my shop so my customers have no place to park. 2 more frikin minutes and he is going to have an angry blond woman telling him to move his f*cking truck.

631 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:43:28am

re: #501 opnion

FNC is now reporting on a Vermont school district that "allows" willing students to say the pledge in the foyer of the school. Those students who would be offended can stay in the classroom. These are grade school kids!

The parents of a friend from college were of a religion that disallowed the Pledge so, she had to step out into the hall every morning. Oh, the teasing and bullying were horrific. The school wouldn't do shit about it.

632 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:43:29am

re: #595 heidi586

Their police can't carry live weapons can they?

Good point

633 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:43:55am

re: #617 reloadingisnotahobby

I here land is cheap in a place called...ah ...Galveston?

It's not, actually.

But I grew up thirty miles from there and never really had any desire to live in the city or on the beach. However, some people find it irresistible. I go for a long weekend, enjoy the beaches and the historical sites, and some good food. The problem in Galveston is the same as in Florida...a huge population on a low-lying coast that was never previously there (well, in Galveston's case it was until 1900).

634 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:44:02am

re: #617 reloadingisnotahobby

I here land is cheap in a place called...ah ...Galveston?

Wasn't That A Mighty Storm

635 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:44:11am

re: #606 bosforus

It's not for everyone. I wouldn't live any where else.

636 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:44:14am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

Um, please yes send it on.
We're trying to finish up but perhaps there is time to get one more in.

Are these going to be printed and available for purchase?

637 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:44:29am

{aussie} Darls!

Reckon poor ol' realwest's getting smooched to death? :D

638 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:45:28am

re: #626 aussiemagpie
Hi there {aussie} *Smooches* to you too - glad it's warm down there - be a shame to live in Australia and be cold at this time of year!
How are you today?

639 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:45:52am

re: #637 Miss Trixie

{aussie} Darls!

Reckon poor ol' realwest's getting smooched to death? :D

What a way to go. :-)

640 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:45:56am

re: #623 JohnAdams

The good news is you can go see some Old Time Hockey tonight in Birmingham!

Heh. Here in Michigan we may not have jobs but we still have hockey.

641 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:46:18am

This has probably already been discussed...but did anyone else not appreciate the low blows to the USA in the new 007 flick?

642 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:46:23am

GM literally pays people not to work.

The U.A.W. program, called the Jobs Bank at G.M., provided nearly full pay for laid off workers while they waited for new jobs.

What kind of business model is that?

643 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:46:44am

re: #629 notutopia

I agree!
But 450 miles from port they must have a ship near !Therefore
Find these bastards and wipe them out !
We are not the only nation with fire power on the sea or in the air!

644 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:46:48am

re: #617 reloadingisnotahobby

Not Galveston. High Island and Port Bolivar. And no it's not cheap.
It's gone!

645 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:47:01am

re: #604 Ford_Prefect

How sweet! I should have looked at that before writing my last post! Very Anne Geddes. Some of my favorites of hers are the black and whites with the strong men holding the babies. Very cool.

646 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:47:02am

re: #642 FrogMarch

Socialist

647 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:47:14am
648 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:47:16am

re: #641 Hydrocarbon Hank

This has probably already been discussed...but did anyone else not appreciate the low blows to the USA in the new 007 flick?

Well since I haven't gone to the theater in 5 or 6 years, guess I'll have to wait till it comes out on cable?

649 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:47:27am

re: #635 Hydrocarbon Hank

It's not for everyone. I wouldn't live any where else.

Well God bless ya for it. Personally, having lived in Utah for the last several years, whenever I'm somewhere where I can't see a mountain I start to feel very lonely, as if nothing exists beyond the horizon. And if I can't see anything beyond a neighborhood due to trees or what have you then I really start to freak out.

650 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:47:36am

re: #642 FrogMarch

GM literally pays people not to work.

What kind of business model is that?

A FAILED ONE?

651 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:48:08am

re: #627 reloadingisnotahobby

Years ago ..saw footage of Bobbies running with guns!
Had cute little tethers on them so children couldn't run off with them!
LOL

The tethers (lanyards) are leftovers from when pistols were for cavalry only. Inconvenient to drop one's empty revolver on the battlefield to draw a sabre, wot? Also issued for the earliest runs of the US M1911 pistol and magazines, btw, as well as a number of US martial revolvers.

652 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:48:46am

re: #603 reloadingisnotahobby Well I don't know about police "elites" but I do know that our Military's BEST, the U.S. Army's Special Forces (the "Green Berets") were patterned after and initially trained by the British SAS.

653 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:48:58am

re: #565 Killian Bundy

Soros-Funded Democratic Idea Factory Becomes Obama Policy Font


/Soros, the hand up puppet Obama's ass

I searched for ages yesterday for a link between Soros and the Center for a New American Security.

654 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:49:07am

re: #630 bellamags

OK this really pisses me off. I am located in a shopping center which also leases space to the DMV. A good thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of walk by traffic. The bad thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of TRAFFIC. Now some moron has parked his POS truck and trailer (which is loaded with 3 wrecked cars) in the 5 parking spaces right in front of my shop so my customers have no place to park. 2 more frikin minutes and he is going to have an angry blond woman telling him to move his f*cking truck.

OK...Breath...In through the nose...out through the mouth...repeat...

655 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:49:43am

re: #627 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm surprised they have any law and order when the law breakers have the advantage. Tethers...hahahaha One should never underestimate wild gun stealing children and those girl gangs...hahaa

656 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:49:45am

re: #649 bosforus

Well God bless ya for it. Personally, having lived in Utah for the last several years, whenever I'm somewhere where I can't see a mountain I start to feel very lonely, as if nothing exists beyond the horizon. And if I can't see anything beyond a neighborhood due to trees or what have you then I really start to freak out.

Just the opposite for me. Growing up in corn country all you see is sky for miles and miles. The openness give me a real rush.

657 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:49:51am

re: #630 bellamags

OK this really pisses me off. I am located in a shopping center which also leases space to the DMV. A good thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of walk by traffic. The bad thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of TRAFFIC. Now some moron has parked his POS truck and trailer (which is loaded with 3 wrecked cars) in the 5 parking spaces right in front of my shop so my customers have no place to park. 2 more frikin minutes and he is going to have an angry blond woman telling him to move his f*cking truck.

I make them move right away so I don't get angry. Dopes are always blocking my bay door. If there's a driver, he/she gets TOLD (not asked) to move it. If no driver, I call security.

658 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:50:02am

re: #649 bosforus

But that's the best part of Utah!
All you can hear is the breeze thru the quakies and pine!
Smell of a camp fire !
Dude your missin out!

659 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:50:10am

re: #636 Silhouette

Are these going to be printed and available for purchase?

Yes, indeed, as soon as we can, tho the project is a little behind.

Update here; new updates posted periodically.

Half proceeds to LGF; the other half to an organization supporting the troops, I thought perhaps this?

660 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:50:13am

re: #637 Miss Trixie

{aussie} Darls!

Reckon poor ol' realwest's getting smooched to death? :D

Hello {darls} He can't ever get enough *smooches* I reckon - you've started something Miss Trixie !

661 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:50:43am

re: #647 Iron Fist

Agreed. But right now they have packaged up in a new spiffy box called Hope and Change and are looking to put that in a wrapper called Centrist.

There will be a lot of pointing out of things in the next 4 years.

662 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:50:57am

re: #612 aussiemagpie

a couple of years ago i met a cousin i did not know i even had on line turns out her grand father and mine were brothers. they both came from a small town in scotland and had the same last name. i noticed on her bio page that her grand father had the same last name as my grandfather and that they were both from kinross scotland seems around the turn of the 19th century scotland's export was scots. We always thought that he had gone to new zealand and not oz. when i was a boy we visited kinross and saw my grandmothers relitives. back when they were still burning peat.

663 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:51:08am

re: #652 realwest
I did not now that Real! Humm.

664 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:51:11am

re: #654 Ford_Prefect

OK...Breath...In through the nose...out through the mouth...repeat...

I know. Jeez. sorry ... I didn't make an ass out of myself btw. He moved.

665 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:51:14am

re: #649 bosforus

I'm at my office in Midland, Texas...It's so flat here, I can almost see Utah!

666 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:51:32am
667 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:51:34am

re: #577 Lucius Septimius
There are so many ways I witness what you are writing while in Kabul.
One of the most sophisicated Afghans I worked with got engaged last week. He met her once. She is not a close cousin - I was rude enough to ask. I said "do you like her?" and as an answer he said "It does not work here that way." True. He is spot on.
I hope this all works out. He tells me once they are engaged (done now) they can actully speak to each other. Of course there are always other people around.

668 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:51:56am

re: #641 Hydrocarbon Hank

This has probably already been discussed...but did anyone else not appreciate the low blows to the USA in the new 007 flick?

Thanks for the warning. Amazing they feel so comfortable bashing America when they plan to sell hundreds of millions of tickets here. Maybe it's because all the socialist creeps here bash America too.

I saw a Euro-trash movie, "In Bruges", and the America-bashing was intolerable. Don't waste your time on that piece of crap either.

I think for the Euros the government is the single Mother and the Americans are the abusive Father who represses them all.

669 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:52:12am

re: #641 Hydrocarbon Hank

We haven't gone to see it yet, I was thinking they would do that in this film...especially with 'Bond' making pro Obama comments in promo interviews.

670 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:52:16am

re: #580 Dark_Falcon

This is actually a good story from the Washington Post about a spot of trouble Hugo Chavez is in:

Rampant violence a political danger for Chávez

Should of spent some of that oil income to fight crime instead of bribing the campesinos for their vote. Now the oil income has dropped dramatically at a time when the violence has reached crises proportions. On a similar note Bolivian President Evo Morales kicked out the DEA.

Morales last week gave the DEA three months, as of Nov. 1, to leave the country, saying the agency was helping to undermine the Bolivian government.
671 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:52:52am

re: #658 reloadingisnotahobby

But that's the best part of Utah!
All you can hear is the breeze thru the quakies and pine!
Smell of a camp fire !
Dude your missin out!

I love camping! Don't do it as often as I'd like, but when I go it's always in the mountains.

672 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:52:53am

re: #657 OldLineTexan

I make them move right away so I don't get angry. Dopes are always blocking my bay door. If there's a driver, he/she gets TOLD (not asked) to move it. If no driver, I call security.

Good idea. PREVENT the blood pressure rise. The only bad thing is they usually park there and then go into the DMV, so the vehicle is unoccupied. I should get in the vehicles and move them. LOL.

673 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:53:20am

re: #642 FrogMarch
Why that's the kind of business model the Taxpayers here are probably going to loan FIFTY BILLION dollars too.
Yes, $50 billion.
$25 Billion* to retool to make more enegy efficient vehicles and
$25 Billion to try to stay in business long enough to develope and sell those more energy efficient vehicles.
*Approximately $19 Billion will be used to repay the loans previously made to the Big 3 by the UAW's Pension Funds.

674 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:53:21am

re: #543 yochanan

aussie and american history have a lot of parallels esp the idea of manifest destney and having a fronter.
and that both do not worship the euro were canukistan esp the conseratives want to be british or if liberal want to be euro.

Manifest Destiny was at one time America's way of trying to justify annexation of Western Canada to the USA.
Didn't work.

54'40" or fight!

675 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:53:24am

re: #641 Hydrocarbon Hank

This has probably already been discussed...but did anyone else not appreciate the low blows to the USA in the new 007 flick?

Eh, we can take it. The stunts were awesome, but it just did not have the feel of a Bond flick at all.

676 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:53:32am

re: #667 LindaMarie

There are so many ways I witness what you are writing while in Kabul.
One of the most sophisicated Afghans I worked with got engaged last week. He met her once. She is not a close cousin - I was rude enough to ask. I said "do you like her?" and as an answer he said "It does not work here that way." True. He is spot on.
I hope this all works out. He tells me once they are engaged (done now) they can actully speak to each other. Of course there are always other people around.

Sometimes we forget just how revolutionary individualism is.

677 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:53:44am

re: #641 Hydrocarbon Hank

This has probably already been discussed...but did anyone else not appreciate the low blows to the USA in the new 007 flick?

Reviewed and detested at Ace of Spades.

678 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:54:14am

re: #664 bellamags

I know. Jeez. sorry ... I didn't make an ass out of myself btw. He moved.

So you say that you don't usually smile in the morning...did you used to work at the DMV? That seems to be a requirement at the CT DMV.

679 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:54:20am

Poland denies Barack Obama cannibal 'joke'
Poland has been forced to deny its foreign minister 'joked' that President-Elect Barack Obama's grandparents were cannibals.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

I suppose there is a "Polish Joke" in there somewhere?

680 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:54:26am

re: #638 realwest

Hi there {aussie} *Smooches* to you too - glad it's warm down there - be a shame to live in Australia and be cold at this time of year!
How are you today?

Thanks for asking and I'm going good :-)

We're now planning Christmas dinner - salads, prawns, cold ham and turkey, oysters...and who brings what

681 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:54:28am

re: #551 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a COLD (30 degrees when I awoke this morning, going up to 44 degrees, then down to 22 degrees tomorrow morning!) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I hope you are all doing well this morning.

It was 25 degrees here when I rode my bike to work.

Rode home last night in flurries. Got the greatest looks from people in cars as I rode by :)

The secret to riding a bike in the cold is keep your feet, face and hands warm. After the first mile everything else is toasty anyway.

682 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:54:28am

re: #661 unclassifiable

Agreed. But right now they have packaged up in a new spiffy box called Hope and Change and are looking to put that in a wrapper called Centrist.

There will be a lot of pointing out of things in the next 4 years.

Leftyspeak:

"centrist" = democratic socialist

683 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:07am

re: #675 OldLineTexan

Not a single Bond "gadget"...The chase scenes were great, but I want to see watches launching grapling hooks and cars with heat seeking rockets.

684 Miss Trixie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:13am

Hank

I'm at my office in Midland, Texas...It's so flat here, I can almost see Utah!

That's just like living in Saskatchewan - you can watch your dog run away for days ... :D

685 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:14am

PIMF - sorry, forgot the link

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]re: #673 realwest

686 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:16am

re: #577 Lucius Septimius

Weber distinguished between two notions of society, "Gemeinschaft" and "Gesellschaft". In English, both terms would be translated as "society" but in German there is a significant distinction. Modern society is "Gesellschaft" -- made up of individuals freely associating with each other (Geselle = friends/colleagues). "Gemeinschaft" is the older social order based on the notion of community (Gemeinde).

In the medieval social order, so the argument goes, people lived in villages. In those villages there was no private property per se; rather, individuals rented the land they farmed and shared, as a community, common resources -- water, pasture, woods -- administered by the village council. In such a community your personal identity derived from your familial connections -- who you were related to -- your family's place within the commonality, your ties to various lords, etc. There was no individual "core" identity -- each person's identity was determined based on their place within the social network.

One way of conceiving of the Gemeinschaft understanding of the person is to think in terms of a Venn diagram. Each of the circles represent different collectivities -- race, class, family, educational level, profession, gender, age cadre, religious affiliations -- which intersect. "You" are defined by the peculiar intersection of those identities. What this means is that your individuality is extrinsic rather than intrinsic; the only identities are those conferred on us externally on account of membership in a group, and almost always a group that we have not chosen to be a member of.

In such a system, your life path is largely predetermined; ideally it is predetermined in a way that best suites the needs of the collective. So some children are selected to become officials and priests, others to become tradesmen and shopkeepers, others to be laborers, etc. That choice is based on background, but also on potential. In the end, however, it is the needs of the community at the moment that are decisive for determining the life-path of individuals. Social mobility is discouraged; the emphasis is on stability, harmony, with each in his proper place serving the collective good.

Modern individualism shattered that concept of community. The process began a long time ago -- arguably the crusades were critical (cf. Robert Bartlett's Making of Europe) in breaking up of the old order. The eighteenth and nineteenth century debated the notion, but ultimately the philosopher sorts ended up coming down on the side of Gemeinschaft as preferable, so long as it was "up-dated." Hegel, Marx, Durkheim, and various others all championed more or less directly the revival of the old social order. Modern "Communitarianism," rooted in Durkheim's ideas about social "anomie" and expressed in "compassionate conservatism", is just latest faddish version of this kind of reactionary thinking, elevating the collective over the individual. The Nazi social theorist Darre argued for a society reconfigured into myriad peasant villages; Soviet collectivization and Hippie "Communes" were the same thing.

The so-called progressives are genuine reactionaries.

From what I've read, Europe is still stuck on Gemeinschaft.

BTW, the first time I heard of/learned about Communitarianism and its American proponent, Etzioni (sp?). It's just a soft Communism, especially with its talk about positive liberty.

687 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:29am

re: #641 Hydrocarbon Hank

This has probably already been discussed...but did anyone else not appreciate the low blows to the USA in the new 007 flick?

America will do anything for that sweet sweet oil! That was the message I got. And oh yeah, even compounds in the middle of the Bolivian desert run on alternative energy.

688 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:29am

re: #655 heidi586

I'm surprised they have any law and order when the law breakers have the advantage. Tethers...hahahaha One should never underestimate wild gun stealing children and those girl gangs...hahaa

Lanyards are to keep you from dropping the weapon or magazines. Not to prevent you from being disarmed. It's a holdover from cavalry equipment. Not as silly as neckties (an imitation of a British Prince that did not like cravats) or the collars on men's suitcoats (non-functional remnants of once-functional guards against weather).

689 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:32am

Something must be wrong with the market...so far it's in positive territory.

690 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:55:34am

re: #666 Iron Fist

I blame Global Warming. Isn't Global Warming (man-made, no doubt) responsible for all bad things that happens? Why shouldn't unusally cold temperatures also be blamed on it?

Hence the new term, CLIMATE CHANGE. Global warming was too specific. climate change can describe anything. Pretty smart from a marketing (brainwashing) perspective, but still a load of BS.

691 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:08am

re: #672 bellamags

Good idea. PREVENT the blood pressure rise. The only bad thing is they usually park there and then go into the DMV, so the vehicle is unoccupied. I should get in the vehicles and move them. LOL.

If you "own" the spaces, put up tow notices and enforce them.

692 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:20am

re: #682 Lucius Septimius

Judging by the EU Parliment, that would be light on the democratic and heavy on the socialist.

693 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:23am

re: #599 Alouette

Good morning Lizards. Back home again after a rip-roaring week in Alabama celebrating my son's wedding. Those Southerners sure know how to throw a party!
Now I'm completely broke and there are no jobs left in Michigan. Please buy stuff at the Zionist Emporium! It is my primary means of income right now.

Mazel Tov!
Were you working in the automotive industry before the wedding?

694 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:38am

re: #607 OldLineTexan

Any friend of Cracker Bob is no friend of mine.

Who's Cracker Bob?

695 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:40am

re: #690 bellamags

Hence the new term, CLIMATE CHANGE. Global warming was too specific. climate change can describe anything. Pretty smart from a marketing (brainwashing) perspective, but still a load of BS.

I, for one, love the term "climate change". It puts up the mental obstacle of "why is it odd that the climate changes again?"

696 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:45am

re: #687 bosforus

America will do anything for that sweet sweet oil! That was the message I got. And oh yeah, even compounds in the middle of the Bolivian desert run on alternative energy.

But they blow up real purty. Not a great advert for "fuel cells" (a little vague).

697 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:56:46am

re: #689 3 wood

Something must be wrong with the market...so far it's in positive territory.

(well, just shhh!)

698 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:13am

re: #695 bosforus

I, for one, love the term "climate change". It puts up the mental obstacle of "why is it odd that the climate changes again?"

Formerly known as "weather."

699 gregg  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:14am

re: #681 3 wood

How do you keep from taking a spill on icy roads? Do they have tire chains for bikes?

700 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:21am

OK now things are back to normal.

The Dow is in the red and headed down.

701 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:22am

re: #676 Lucius Septimius

Sometimes we forget just how revolutionary individualism is.

Excellent point. Individual sovereignty is the most rare and revolutionary ideal ever practiced on earth.

702 bosforus  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:37am

re: #696 OldLineTexan

But they blow up real purty. Not a great advert for "fuel cells" (a little vague).

Yeah, makes you think twice before going to sleep with a hydrogen tank next to your bed.

703 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:44am

re: #610 OldLineTexan

The descendants of our twenty million Spanish-speaking illegal aliens.

They'll be oppressed by socialism here?

704 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:48am

bbl

705 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:57:51am

Ugh-Nothing worse than a free breakfast in the last sip of your morning java from DD.

706 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:58:28am

re: #692 unclassifiable

Judging by the EU Parliment, that would be light on the democratic and heavy on the socialist.

Leftyspeak:

"democratic" = rule by ideological elites

707 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:58:33am

re: #619 OldLineTexan

Shades of Zulu Dawn.

Well, we must have order, eh-wot?

708 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:58:48am

re: #622 Silhouette

Too funny!

709 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:58:49am

Good grief!
Everybody's having big "sales" right now.
I wish there were something I needed to have.

710 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:19am

re: #699 gregg

How do you keep from taking a spill on icy roads? Do they have tire chains for bikes?

You learn to turn very gradually and if possible, coast over the icy spots. Plus I put on knobby tires for winter vs. smooth street tires for summer.

711 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:20am

re: #621 unclassifiable

I didn't know that. It looked like "socialized medicine or bust" and I figured that it was the party line.

Still it seemed to say that there should be no opposition.

No way in hell am I ever going to be an AARP member.

Does AARP claim ALL retired/age-appropriate citizens are members or, can you opt out and not be counted?

712 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:26am

re: #689 3 wood

Something must be wrong with the market...so far it's in positive territory.

Obama must not have woken up yet.

713 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:31am

re: #663 reloadingisnotahobby Yep, 'tis true. They were formed by an American President who was murdered on a day in 1963 which some bloggers are now calling Victory in Iraq day, name of John F. Kennedy.

714 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:51am

re: #694 MandyManners

Who's Cracker Bob?

"Cracker Bob" Beckel is my pet name for that obese racist twat.

715 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 6:59:55am

re: #696 OldLineTexan

But they blow up real purty. Not a great advert for "fuel cells" (a little vague).

Kinda like the Indy movie, mocking McCarthism and paranoid people seeing commies under every bed...except their very own plot shows commies operating in the US, killing people, taking over military bases, etc.

716 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:03am

re: #700 3 wood

OK now things are back to normal.

The Dow is in the red and headed down.

Come on Obama. Hit the snooze button.

717 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:20am

re: #678 Ford_Prefect

So you say that you don't usually smile in the morning...did you used to work at the DMV? That seems to be a requirement at the CT DMV.

HA. nope. I have never worked at the DMV. Gross double knit polyester uniforms. I go to the same DMV office (the same one i am complaining about) and they are actually pretty cool. The guy that takes the pictures is funny and he says some really dumb stuff to make you smile.

The DMV is located about 8 stores down from mine. They do bring some good traffic to my shop and some interesting people watching material also.

718 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:21am

re: #709 reine.de.tout

Isn't that the truth; the "sale" stuff is always the crap they can't get rid of.

719 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:35am

re: #622 Silhouette

Can you imagine if they ran a retail store like we are used to seeing our phone/cable/etc. bills?

"That is $32 for the pants, plus $2.96 for tax, plus $2.50 registration fee for becoming one of our store patrons (this allows you to shop here), plus a $0.78 fee for using me as a cashier, plus $0.50 fuel charge for shipping the pants to the store, and lastly a $2.00 transaction fee. That's $40.74.

Do you want a bag? They are $1.25 each."

It's no joke about the bag.
A lot of stores here have available, for $1 or more, their own "reusable" fabric bags that you can buy and come back with time after time.

720 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:43am

re: #652 realwest

Well I don't know about police "elites" but I do know that our Military's BEST, the U.S. Army's Special Forces (the "Green Berets") were patterned after and initially trained by the British SAS.

Ahem... the US Army's Best, the Rangers, were patterned after Rogers Rangers of the French-Indian War.

721 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:46am

re: #630 bellamags

OK this really pisses me off. I am located in a shopping center which also leases space to the DMV. A good thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of walk by traffic. The bad thing is that its always busy so there is a lot of TRAFFIC. Now some moron has parked his POS truck and trailer (which is loaded with 3 wrecked cars) in the 5 parking spaces right in front of my shop so my customers have no place to park. 2 more frikin minutes and he is going to have an angry blond woman telling him to move his f*cking truck.

It's been 17 minutes. What happened?

722 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:51am
723 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:00:55am

re: #675 OldLineTexan

I didn't think the last Bond felt like a Bond film. It was more of 'just' an action flick

724 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:01:12am

re: #666 Iron Fist
No, it's no longer called Global Warming because even stupid shits like Al Gore could see that there wasn't any "Global Warming" so now it's called Climate Change.

725 RitzFG2  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:01:16am

lol, I walk into poli sci today, and we're talking Keynesian ism.

An interesting discussion, to say the least.

726 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:01:25am

re: #674 Spare O'Lake

my grandfather went to canada from scotland and after the san fran earthquake he moved to the states as there was a major need for building contractors so he got a visa to come to america from canada other wise i might be a canuk not so sure parts of alberta wouldn't mind being american esp since ottawa steals so much of there oil and gas rev.

727 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:01:25am

re: #703 MandyManners

They'll be oppressed by socialism here?

No, re-read the post you replied to. They are used to socialist oppression, and will go vote for it (in buses with Spanish-speaking crew hired especially for the occasion) since it pays better here.

728 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:01:39am

Now the DOW is back in positive territory.

It's like a pogo stick today.

Somebody just keep Paulson and Bernanke away from microphones.

729 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:01:48am

Morning Lizards. Please pray for my department today. We lost another officer in the line of duty last night. Our fifth in a year.

730 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:02:16am

re: #711 MandyManners

Does AARP claim ALL retired/age-appropriate citizens are members or, can you opt out and not be counted?

You have to join, at least for now. But they will claim to speak for you, like it or not.

731 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:02:17am

re: #662 yochanan

a couple of years ago i met a cousin i did not know i even had on line turns out her grand father and mine were brothers. they both came from a small town in scotland and had the same last name. i noticed on her bio page that her grand father had the same last name as my grandfather and that they were both from kinross scotland seems around the turn of the 19th century scotland's export was scots. We always thought that he had gone to new zealand and not oz. when i was a boy we visited kinross and saw my grandmothers relitives. back when they were still burning peat.

Many Scots and Irish headed out here then - it's a fascinating part of our history

Have you been in touch with your Aussie rellies?

732 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:02:49am

re: #689 3 wood

Something must be wrong with the market...so far it's in positive territory.

ROFLMAO!

733 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:02:53am

re: #711 MandyManners

I don't know but they can send me all the junk mail they want it still doesn't mean I am in.

I really don't plan on retiring and I can already tell that I am not going to be the free and easy old person that all these advertisers seem to project.

Cranky bastid in the making -- deal with it lefties.

734 JohnAdams  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:03:07am

re: #722 Iron Fist

I can't say I disagree with you. I'm afraid of that they may think they have a Mandate for their brand of hopey changiness and try and implement it very quickly. We've got two months and counting...

The only shred of a chance we have of pulling through this without major despair is if Obama does exactly none of the stuff he said he would do with the economy.

735 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:03:20am

re: #717 bellamags

HA. nope. I have never worked at the DMV. Gross double knit polyester uniforms. I go to the same DMV office (the same one i am complaining about) and they are actually pretty cool. The guy that takes the pictures is funny and he says some really dumb stuff to make you smile.

The DMV is located about 8 stores down from mine. They do bring some good traffic to my shop and some interesting people watching material also.

That photographer would get fired in CT. You are not allowed to smile on your license photo. You're lucky if they let you sit down all the way.

736 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:03:29am

re: #676 Lucius Septimius
HEY! I thought you waived goodbye to me! Hadda go to work or some such bs!
Really. (hope he doesn't see my #611).

737 spudly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:03:34am

NPR whitewashed Ayers this morning, I was yelling at the radio while I took a shower.

He was apparently protesting the war in Viet Nam. No mention that he was protesting cause he wanted the enemy to win, and ultimately control the US, of course. Just a misunderstood guy. Probably his way of supporting the troops by bringing them home. Grrr.

738 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:03:35am

re: #709 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Everybody's having big "sales" right now.
I wish there were something I needed to have.

If you're in the shopping mood, I could use a new flat screen t.v. Nothing too big..maybe 52-56 inch.

739 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:03:55am

re: #631 MandyManners
Sad - should not happen. Did any of the other students stand up for her and befreind her?

740 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:04:04am

re: #714 OldLineTexan

"Cracker Bob" Beckel is my pet name for that obese racist twat.

Oh, the Democrat strategist. I usually hit the MUTE button.

741 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:04:40am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

Morning Lizards. Please pray for my department today. We lost another officer in the line of duty last night. Our fifth in a year.

Very sorry to hear that. I don't know how the Thin Blue Line does it every day. Thank you.

742 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:05:00am

re: #691 OldLineTexan

If you "own" the spaces, put up tow notices and enforce them.

No such luck. and the Landlord is very lenient with everything so if I complained he would just laugh and say "that sucks, deal with it". He lets us deal with problems in our own way. The old space I occupied got the DEMOCRATIC headquarters as new neighbors. I was in the process of a build-out in my new space (across the parking lot) so I knew I wouldn't have to be there long. We did have "sign wars". I put up about 4 McCain yard signs in my windows as close as possible to theirs. So when you looked at the storefronts, you couldn't tell it was the Dem headquarters. HA HA. They were pissed so they put up more Obama signs.

743 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:05:06am

re: #722 Iron Fist

Well part of me wants to see the outcome so I am in the first O of the OODA loop of this thing.

Of course I already sort have the second O in general as is given by my participation on this blog -- just need to fine tune it.

744 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:05:22am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

Morning Lizards. Please pray for my department today. We lost another officer in the line of duty last night. Our fifth in a year.

He and his family will be in my prayers.

745 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:05:22am

re: #738 x-wing

If you're in the shopping mood, I could use a new flat screen t.v. Nothing too big..maybe 52-56 inch.

LOL!

I could use my first flat-screen TV.

'cept I don't see much point right now.

Right now my biggest want is for my ATT cell phone contract to get to a point that ATT will let me sign up for the i-phone.

746 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:05:33am

re: #681 3 wood
Uh, good morning my friend, but

The secret to riding a bike in the cold is keep your feet, face and hands warm. After the first mile everything else is toasty anyway.

may work for YOU, but for me, there's nothing like a stationary bike when it gets cold - ya know, below 80 or so!

747 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:05:55am

re: #735 Ford_Prefect

That photographer would get fired in CT. You are not allowed to smile on your license photo. You're lucky if they let you sit down all the way.

When I was 17 and had to renew my license I wore a disco shirt, gold chains, and a huge afro wig. They actually let me take the picture - I was shocked.

When I returned a year later, all of the DMV employees remembere my photo and we had a good laugh. It even got me out of a ticket because the officer couldn't quit laughing.

748 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:06:01am

re: #720 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Ahem... the US Army's Best, the Rangers, were patterned after Rogers Rangers of the French-Indian War.

I thought the Army Rangers were patterned after the special British Amphibious raiding parties in the early days of WW2. And those British Raiding parties were patterned after the Boar raiding parities?

749 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:06:02am

re: #730 OldLineTexan

You have to join, at least for now. But they will claim to speak for you, like it or not.

Like NOW speaks for me.

My favorite NOW story is about an election in Tampa over ten years ago. There were dozens of judges on the ballot and I didn't know anything about any of them - so I couldn't vote yea or nay, but I just HATE not to vote. Too many died to give me the right.

In the parking lot, there were folks handing out a NOW Voting Guide, with all the judges getting thumbs up or down.

I said, "Thank you!," without a hint of sarcasm. I was never more truly grateful.

And of course voted opposite on every one.

750 Macker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:06:45am

re: #723 heidi586

That's how I felt about Die Another Day. Perhaps James Bond needs to be put to rest.

751 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:06:45am

re: #736 realwest

Just walking back and forth by the computer while I do stuff.

752 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:06:54am

re: #749 Silhouette

Like NOW speaks for me.

My favorite NOW story is about an election in Tampa over ten years ago. There were dozens of judges on the ballot and I didn't know anything about any of them - so I couldn't vote yea or nay, but I just HATE not to vote. Too many died to give me the right.

In the parking lot, there were folks handing out a NOW Voting Guide, with all the judges getting thumbs up or down.

I said, "Thank you!," without a hint of sarcasm. I was never more truly grateful.

And of course voted opposite on every one.


good move.

753 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:13am

re: #698 Silhouette

Only allowed one ding up, that was worth dozens.
So instead, with your permission, I shall qoute and send to some of my email contacts.

754 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:14am

re: #727 OldLineTexan

No, re-read the post you replied to. They are used to socialist oppression, and will go vote for it (in buses with Spanish-speaking crew hired especially for the occasion) since it pays better here.

If they're the descendants of the illegals here now, who will oppress them?

755 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:21am

re: #721 MandyManners

He moved a while ago. No drama. I didn't make a scene. : ) Did you get my reply regarding who is pictured in my avatar?

756 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:45am

re: #735 Ford_Prefect

That photographer would get fired in CT. You are not allowed to smile on your license photo. You're lucky if they let you sit down all the way.

You get to sit down? In Texas, they hire a short person and take my photo up my nose.

757 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:51am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

What a tragedy. And all because of some drunken asshole.

758 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:54am

re: #730 OldLineTexan

You have to join, at least for now. But they will claim to speak for you, like it or not.

Aren't they required to disclosed their actual numbers?

759 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:07:57am

I might be paranoid, but I'm starting to suspect a plan by the Dem's to hammer the market as much as possible before January 20th, so that 3 to 4 years from now Obama has a better chance of looking good.

I would not be surprised of people like Soros are short selling the heck out of this market, then on January 21st will turn around and buy in.

It will be interesting to see if that pattern proves out.

760 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:01am

re: #711 MandyManners
You can opt out - AARP is totally voluntary.

761 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:06am

re: #753 LindaMarie

Of course, but it isn't original. I heard it from someone too.

762 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:10am

re: #741 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

re: #744 Ford_Prefect

Thank you. I worked with him when I got out of the Academy. Great guy.

763 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:11am

re: #735 Ford_Prefect

That photographer would get fired in CT. You are not allowed to smile on your license photo. You're lucky if they let you sit down all the way.

LOL. like cattle huh?

764 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:22am

re: #740 MandyManners

Oh, the Democrat strategist. I usually hit the MUTE button.

If I see him, I change channels.

765 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:42am

re: #759 3 wood

I might be paranoid, but I'm starting to suspect a plan by the Dem's to hammer the market as much as possible before January 20th, so that 3 to 4 years from now Obama has a better chance of looking good.

I would not be surprised of people like Soros are short selling the heck out of this market, then on January 21st will turn around and buy in.

It will be interesting to see if that pattern proves out.

The market generally does not appreciate being manipulated by craven pols -- it gets right cranky when that happens.

766 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:49am

re: #747 Hydrocarbon Hank

When I was 17 and had to renew my license I wore a disco shirt, gold chains, and a huge afro wig. They actually let me take the picture - I was shocked.

When I returned a year later, all of the DMV employees remembere my photo and we had a good laugh. It even got me out of a ticket because the officer couldn't quit laughing.

LOL.

767 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:50am

re: #754 MandyManners

If they're the descendants of the illegals here now, who will oppress them?

The socialists they vote for. I'm done. ;)

768 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:08:59am

re: #757 David Simon

What a tragedy. And all because of some drunken asshole.

Fifth LODD this year. I just want 2008 to end . . . now.

769 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:09:03am

re: #733 unclassifiable

I don't know but they can send me all the junk mail they want it still doesn't mean I am in.

I really don't plan on retiring and I can already tell that I am not going to be the free and easy old person that all these advertisers seem to project.

Cranky bastid in the making -- deal with it lefties.

Even if you don't retire, doesn't the AARP still try to represent you based on your age?

770 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:09:16am

re: #756 OldLineTexan

You get to sit down? In Texas, they hire a short person and take my photo up my nose.

OLT
When I worked for the LaDept of Agri, all the guys wanted two department photo ID's.

One with a beard to use during hunting season
One regular to use the rest of the time.

LOL

771 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:09:25am

re: #759 3 wood

I suspected him of having something to do with the speculation bubble on fuel costs this summer.

772 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:09:32am

re: #746 realwest

may work for YOU, but for me, there's nothing like a stationary bike when it gets cold - ya know, below 80 or so!

Yeah well you have actual blood going through your veins.

Me, I have coffee, sports statistics and market quotations in my blood stream.

773 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:09:57am

re: #720 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) AHEM! You must be Ranger Qualified to even get into Special Forces training!And btw, Rogers was himself a Tory during the American Revolution.

774 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:10:05am

re: #758 MandyManners

Aren't they required to disclosed their actual numbers?

You know, I have no idea. Good question. They have lots of $, though. The more $ you have, the less people you need. See SOROS.

/

775 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:10:12am

re: #745 reine.de.tout

My contract is up next month with ATT and I'm still trying to figure out what I want to go with. This technology is cool, but my wallet only opens so far.

776 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:10:17am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

My thoughts and prayers to the family

777 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:10:32am

re: #770 reine.de.tout

OLT
When I worked for the LaDept of Agri, all the guys wanted two department photo ID's.

One with a beard to use during hunting season
One regular to use the rest of the time.

LOL

HA HA. Did they get to do that?

778 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:10:41am

re: #642 FrogMarch

GM literally pays people not to work.

What kind of business model is that?

It's one that is unsustainable without federal intervention. /

779 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:10:52am

re: #728 3 wood

Congress will be grilling them later on the bailout.

780 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:11:01am

re: #775 x-wing

My contract is up next month with ATT and I'm still trying to figure out what I want to go with. This technology is cool, but my wallet only opens so far.

Just got one for my daughter.
She got the $200 phone, and her service is $10 on the family plan, plus another $30 for the i-phone stuff.

I thought it was reasonable.

781 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:11:20am

re: #693 Spare O'Lake

Mazel Tov!
Were you working in the automotive industry before the wedding?

My last contract at Ford ended in '07.

782 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:11:21am

re: #769 MandyManners

Well I guess that would make them the American Association of Lying Retired People. Who the hell want to belong to that?

783 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:11:24am

re: #737 spudly

NPR whitewashed Ayers this morning, I was yelling at the radio while I took a shower.

He was apparently protesting the war in Viet Nam. No mention that he was protesting cause he wanted the enemy to win, and ultimately control the US, of course. Just a misunderstood guy. Probably his way of supporting the troops by bringing them home. Grrr.

What abou the Brinks robbery after the war? Ayers didn't participate but, it goes to show that WU was not just an anti-Viet Nam group.

784 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:11:48am

re: #777 bellamags

HA HA. Did they get to do that?

Naw.
They would come in regularly, though, and ask for the second ID.

One guy wanted an ID with him wearing his cowboy hat, and one without LOL.

And none of them would smile.

785 RitzFG2  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:12:13am

re: #735 Ford_Prefect

No chairs at the New Britain DMV, at least when i was there getting my license in late '05. Where are all these chairs you speak of?

786 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:12:25am

re: #739 LindaMarie

Sad - should not happen. Did any of the other students stand up for her and befreind her?

She never mentioned it. I' gave her a big hug the few times she mentioned it.

787 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:12:38am

re: #768 Wyatt Earp

Fifth LODD this year. I just want 2008 to end . . . now.

Do you know if the poor guy had a wife and kids?

788 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:13:04am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp
Shit, Wyatt, I'm awfully sorry to hear that news, and more so because you knew him so well.
Sympathies and condolences to his family and to you and prayers going up for all (except the drunk driving mofo who killed him!).

789 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:13:15am

re: #747 Hydrocarbon Hank

When I was 17 and had to renew my license I wore a disco shirt, gold chains, and a huge afro wig. They actually let me take the picture - I was shocked.

When I returned a year later, all of the DMV employees remembere my photo and we had a good laugh. It even got me out of a ticket because the officer couldn't quit laughing.

Guess that works if you can't show a little leg.

790 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:13:17am

re: #737 spudly

NPR whitewashed Ayers this morning, I was yelling at the radio while I took a shower.

He was apparently protesting the war in Viet Nam. No mention that he was protesting cause he wanted the enemy to win, and ultimately control the US, of course. Just a misunderstood guy. Probably his way of supporting the troops by bringing them home. Grrr.

You should listen to country music in the shower. You can't sing along with NPR.

791 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:13:20am

re: #787 David Simon

Do you know if the poor guy had a wife and kids?

20-year vet. Married with three children.

792 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:13:22am

re: #783 MandyManners

What abou the Brinks robbery after the war? Ayers didn't participate but, it goes to show that WU was not just an anti-Viet Nam group.

WU was a terrorist organization aiming to destabilize American society in preparation for some variety of revolution. And anti-war crap was a pose.

Totalitarians are often very good as posing as champions of some cause or another, but in reality all they want is power.

793 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:13:33am
794 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:12am

re: #793 Iron Fist

Yeah, and doesn't it feel weird to be hoping that the President-elect is a pathological liar? Nevertheless, it seems to be the only thing we can hang our hopes on. At least for the next two years.

Well, he is a politician.

795 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:14am

Russia says sees chance for better US ties

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Reassuring ha?

796 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:15am

re: #748 Nevergiveup

I thought the Army Rangers were patterned after the special British Amphibious raiding parties in the early days of WW2. And those British Raiding parties were patterned after the Boar raiding parities?

Rogers militia was the origin of US Rangers. Existing in various forms in the Civil War. The Ranger Battalions formed in WW2 were pattered after the Brit Commando units, but that off-shoot stopped with WW2.

The companies in Korea, Vietnam and the battalions today all draw their lineage from Merrill's Marauders (5307 th Composite Unit (Provisional)... no, really!) in Burma during WW2.

797 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:17am

re: #783 MandyManners

What abou the Brinks robbery after the war? Ayers didn't participate but, it goes to show that WU was not just an anti-Viet Nam group.

Their own writings show that.

"This action is because of such and such in Brazil. This bombing was in response to the condition of women. " Etc. Etc. Etc.

They are also quite open with stating that they are opening a front here in the US, with armed conflict, to fight the same fight that their brothers in Vietnam were doing.

798 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:30am

re: #788 realwest

Shit, Wyatt, I'm awfully sorry to hear that news, and more so because you knew him so well.
Sympathies and condolences to his family and to you and prayers going up for all (except the drunk driving mofo who killed him!).

Thanks, Real. Chuck Cassidy was a friend of mine - he was shot and killed on Halloween - and I worked with Tim Simpson in the 24th District. It's been a very rough year. I am tired of wearing mourning crepes.

799 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:39am

re: #779 notutopia

Congress will be grilling them later on the bailout.

Well then, plan on watching the DOW tank about 5 minutes after they start talking into a microphone.

Paulson looks like he has been awake since April.

800 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:43am

re: #791 Wyatt Earp

20-year vet. Married with three children.

OMG, that is horrible.

801 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:45am

re: #724 realwest
Have you noticed that Gore is off the whole warning thing an on to a new Internet revolution?
He is back peddeling as fast as he can. At least we had enough sense then not to elect him.

802 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:14:50am

re: #755 bellamags

He moved a while ago. No drama. I didn't make a scene. : ) Did you get my reply regarding who is pictured in my avatar?

I musta' missed.

BTW, could you get a sign that says illegally parked vehicles will be towed? You might not be able to enforce it but, it might give some pin-heads pause for thought.

803 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:15:03am

re: #709 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Everybody's having big "sales" right now.
I wish there were something I needed to have.

Clothes..clothes..clothes..
and stay away from the gold go go pants..

804 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:15:37am

re: #763 bellamags

LOL. like cattle huh?

Every time I go there I try to get a smile out of someone. I haven't succeeded yet and I have been going there for 26 years.

805 Hydrocarbon Hank  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:15:47am

Back to work...I hope everyone has a great day.

806 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:15:57am

re: #759 3 wood

I might be paranoid, but I'm starting to suspect a plan by the Dem's to hammer the market as much as possible before January 20th, so that 3 to 4 years from now Obama has a better chance of looking good.

I would not be surprised of people like Soros are short selling the heck out of this market, then on January 21st will turn around and buy in.

It will be interesting to see if that pattern proves out.

You're giving me the creeps--not because you're spouting wild-eyed conspiracy stuff but, because you're likely right.

807 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:16:03am

re: #796 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Rogers militia was the origin of US Rangers. Existing in various forms in the Civil War. The Ranger Battalions formed in WW2 were pattered after the Brit Commando units, but that off-shoot stopped with WW2.

The companies in Korea, Vietnam and the battalions today all draw their lineage from Merrill's Marauders (5307 th Composite Unit (Provisional)... no, really!) in Burma during WW2.

History is pretty interesting. To bad under Obama/Ayers it will be a "NEW" history?

808 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:16:23am

re: #804 Ford_Prefect

Every time I go there I try to get a smile out of someone. I haven't succeeded yet and I have been going there for 26 years.

Wow...the girl that renewed my license looked like a high schooler and was positively chatty.

809 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:16:26am

re: #760 realwest

You can opt out - AARP is totally voluntary.

But, don't they claim to represent everyone over a certain age?

810 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:16:38am

re: #747 Hydrocarbon Hank

You may want to revisit that gitup for your license now. It appears you may get out of more than just out of a ticket with it in the next 4 yrs.
; )

811 sadhu  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:16:40am

re: #728 3 wood

chop city

812 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:17:02am

re: #764 OldLineTexan

If I see him, I change channels.

I don't even take that much time and thought.

813 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:17:06am

re: #715 Silhouette

McCarthy was a paranoiac who projected his own fascism onto others. A real asshole of the first order.
But then again, there are people today in America who admire McCarthy and believe much of Hollywood is un-American because of its leftist orientation.

814 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:17:57am

re: #803 HoosierHoops

Clothes..clothes..clothes..
and stay away from the gold go go pants..

Morning, HH!
No more gold go-go pants for me, thankyewverymuch.

815 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:18:01am

re: #731 aussiemagpie
Hey {aussie} The colony of Georgia was "founded" as a penal colony and hundreds if not thousands of mostly Scots/Irish were sent here as punishment by the English.
IIRC, that's how Australia got started, no? A penal colony to which the English sent mostly Scots/Irish "criminals" (i.e., like ours they wouldn't give up Scotland or Ireland to become part of Great Britain and had the temerity to resist England with force but alas got caught [or in the case of MY Scot's ancestors, Clan Cameron, were betrayed by Clan Campbell])!

816 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:18:16am

re: #780 reine.de.tout

Just got one for my daughter.
She got the $200 phone, and her service is $10 on the family plan, plus another $30 for the i-phone stuff.

I thought it was reasonable.

That doesn't sound bad. Thanks. Looks like I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas this year.

817 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:18:32am

Back in a minute. The dryer just beeped and I started getting edgy (Pavlovian thing I guess).

818 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:18:35am

re: #814 reine.de.tout

Morning, HH!
No more gold go-go pants for me, thankyewverymuch.

You're still buying the red stilleto heels, right?

/

819 heidi586  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:18:41am

Make it a great day everyone...much to do before work.

820 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:19:01am

re: #774 OldLineTexan

You know, I have no idea. Good question. They have lots of $, though. The more $ you have, the less people you need. See SOROS.

/

Where do they get money? Dues? Donations?

821 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:19:28am

re: #790 Alouette

That's a good way to drown in the shower!
: )

822 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:19:34am

re: #724 realwest

No, it's no longer called Global Warming because even stupid shits like Al Gore could see that there wasn't any "Global Warming" so now it's called Climate Change.

They had to change the name because of the "Gore Effect". Every time folks got together to talk about "Global Warming" the temperature would drop.

823 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:19:49am

re: #782 unclassifiable

Well I guess that would make them the American Association of Lying Retired People. Who the hell want to belong to that?

Beats me.

824 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:19:49am
825 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:20:02am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

Morning Lizards. Please pray for my department today. We lost another officer in the line of duty last night. Our fifth in a year.

I am so sorry for the loss of this good man. My sincere condolences.

826 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:20:04am

re: #818 OldLineTexan

You're still buying the red stilleto heels, right?

/

already did.

Cher.

827 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:20:09am

re: #807 Nevergiveup

History is pretty interesting. To bad under Obama/Ayers it will be a "NEW" history?

Fake history is always more boring than real history. You only get General Schimmlefinig (sp?) hiding in a pig pen for three days at Gettysburg in the real version. The fake ones always have the Union as brave and true fighting for the freedom of the slaves against the knuckledragging racists of the South.

But I digress.

828 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:20:26am

re: #820 MandyManners

Where do they get money? Dues? Donations?

They have dues and membership fees, and they sell insurance services, etc. You get a card that is good for a lot of discounts.

829 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:20:56am

re: #826 reine.de.tout

already did.

Cher.

It's Good to be the King!

830 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:21:57am

re: #785 RitzFG2

No chairs at the New Britain DMV, at least when i was there getting my license in late '05. Where are all these chairs you speak of?

Maybe I shouldn't have asked them what the point of having a chair was if they weren't going to let me use it. I have to say that the new New Britain DMV is a big improvement over the old one, in appearance and efficiency if not in attitude.

831 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:22:04am

re: #825 rawmuse

I am so sorry for the loss of this good man. My sincere condolences.

Thank you, Muse. Terrible year.

832 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:22:51am

re: #792 Lucius Septimius

WU was a terrorist organization aiming to destabilize American society in preparation for some variety of revolution. And anti-war crap was a pose.

Totalitarians are often very good as posing as champions of some cause or another, but in reality all they want is power.

Those that want it need it least.

833 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:23:22am

re: #809 MandyManners

But, don't they claim to represent everyone over a certain age?

Doesn't NOW claim to represent all women?

834 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:03am

re: #831 Wyatt Earp

Thank you, Muse. Terrible year.

Yes, I just looked through the site you posted earlier. So sorry.

835 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:05am

re: #504 Miss Trixie

Back for a little while -

So a smartypants yorkie, huh? Haven't heard of that breed.

836 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:06am

re: #808 OldLineTexan

Wow...the girl that renewed my license looked like a high schooler and was positively chatty.

Up here they are high school drop outs.

837 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:28am

re: #828 OldLineTexan

They have dues and membership fees, and they sell insurance services, etc. You get a card that is good for a lot of discounts.

Reminds me of Parliament of Whores by O'Rourke.

838 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:34am

re: #813 Spare O'Lake

But then again, there are people today in America who admire McCarthy and believe much of Hollywood is un-American because of its leftist orientation.

Count me in that group.

You do know that McCarthy was a Senator and therefore not involved in the House Committee on Un-American Activities?

Since we're using wiki, "Today the term (McCartyism)is used more generally to describe demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations." Yes it is. The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist.

So to the re-writing of history to act as if communists were NOT in the US and absolutely set on overthrowing her.

839 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:37am

re: #737 spudly Did they mention that ole Billy Boy "protested" by placing bombs in such places as the Pentagon or that his ever so charming wife Bernadine Dohrn was tried for the MURDER of one cop and the permant blinding of another cop in their "protesting" of the Vientam War?
Or did they mention their dear friend Kathy Boudin was convicted of Murder in the hold up of a Brinks armored car in 1982, some 7 years AFTER the end of the Vietnam War?! And then Billy and his wife raised Boudin's child while she was in jail for that MURDER?
Vietnam War protestors my ass - they were and are nothing more than the UNDER-DEPRIVED children of Wealthy families who enjoyed killing people and stealing money.

840 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:24:37am

Outta here guys... play nice.

841 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:25:08am

re: #837 MandyManners

Reminds me of Parliament of Whores by O'Rourke.

Best civics textbook ever written.

842 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:25:12am

re: #833 Alouette

Doesn't NOW claim to represent all women?

I bet they don't claim to represent Gov. Palin.

843 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:25:13am

re: #824 Iron Fist

Referring to the Viet Kong, of course. You wouldn't want to mistakenly believe that the Democrats give a rat's ass about our troops. This isn't misguided. It is evil.

Yes, of course.

Very helpful clarification.

844 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:25:31am

re: #831 Wyatt Earp

Wyatt, My sincere condolences for the loss of his life.
And Thank you for all the service you and other enforcers do.

845 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:25:39am

re: #841 Lucius Septimius

Best civics textbook ever written.

It opened my eyes.

846 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:25:50am

re: #605 MandyManners

I was speaking of immigration, particularly the movement to have an inordinate number of immigrants come from a single demographic.

847 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:26:39am

re: #802 MandyManners

Dwight Schrute from "The Office" I love him. heres an example

Good idea about the signs. I'll try

848 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:27:14am

re: #781 Alouette

My last contract at Ford ended in '07.

Don't worry, your bailout cheque is in the mail./
Seriously though, if I was a laid-off big three worker in Detroit, I think I would look into moving south unless I was already in a position to retire.
Good luck.

849 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:28:05am

re: #837 MandyManners

Reminds me of Parliament of Whores by O'Rourke.

Which calls for a quote!

"We're the baddest-assed sons of bitches that ever jogged in Reeboks. We're three-quarters grizzly bear and two-thirds car wreck and descended from a stock market crash on our mother's side.

You take your Germany, France and Spain, roll them all together and it won't give us room to park our cars.

We're the big boys, Jack, the original, giant, economy-sized, new and improved butt kickers of all time. When we snort coke in Houston, people lose their hats in Cap d'Antibes. And we've got an American Express credit card limit higher than your piss-ant metric numbers go.'

"You say our country's never been invaded? You're right, little buddy. Because I'd like to see the needle-dicked foreigners who'd have the guts to try.

We drink napalm to get our hearts started in the morning. A rape and a mugging is our way of saying 'Cheerio'.

Hell can't hold our sock-hops.

We walk taller, talk louder, spit further, fuck longer, and buy more things than you know the names of.

I'd rather be a junkie in a New York City jail than the king, queen, and jack of all you Europeans. We eat little counties like this for breakfast and shit them out before lunch.'

850 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:28:33am

re: #782 unclassifiable
Well I belong to the AARP - cause they offer the best and cheapest Medicare insurance plans available - not to mention considerable discounts on a bunch of things I can't take advantage of but my Mom and Dad did!

851 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:29:00am

re: #836 Ford_Prefect

Up here they are high school drop outs.

Man, I hope they don't figure out who I am. I will be in deep sh*t.

/dons dark sunglasses, trench coat and blonde wig

852 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:29:25am
853 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:29:29am

re: #769 MandyManners
NO, they don't.

854 ErnieG  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:29:39am

re: #838 Silhouette

Count me in that group.

You do know that McCarthy was a Senator and therefore not involved in the House Committee on Un-American Activities?

Since we're using wiki, "Today the term (McCartyism)is used more generally to describe demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations." Yes it is. The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist.

So to the re-writing of history to act as if communists were NOT in the US and absolutely set on overthrowing her.

They're still at it. "There is no Communist threat" has been replaced by "There is no Jihad" and "The War on Terror is a hoax."

855 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:29:58am

re: #838 Silhouette

Very well said. My thoughts exactly. People need to learn to read.

856 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:30:00am

re: #851 Ford_Prefect

Man, I hope they don't figure out who I am. I will be in deep sh*t.

/dons dark sunglasses, trench coat and blonde wig

Actually the Groucho Marx nose/glasses/eyebrows thingy would be funny.

857 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:30:01am

re: #792 Lucius Septimius

back in my foolish youth i was a socialist, of the trot variety we were involved in the so called anti war movement the YSA/SWP ran one of the major anti war groups SMC of course we wanted the NVA to win but we never said that openly. But for tactical reasons we wanted the anti war demo's to stay peaceful and we always invited democrat pols to speak at the rallies. Our biggest problem at these demo's was to keep the ultra left like the anarchists, wm. and others isolated so that they could not take over the march and commit violence. Rarely did the violence come from the right and then the police took care of it by keeping the groups sept. but keeping the anarchists/radical commies such as the w.m. was the job of our marshals not an easy task.POL POTS GENOCIDE opened my eyes as well as the TROTS support of Arab terrorism the YSA/SWP weren't pacifists keep the demo's nonviolent was purely a tactical call they had no problem with supporting Arab terrorism the goal was to get the American people to support the anti war movement and we knew violence would turn them off. if they thought we were in a pre-revolutionary period they would clearly have supported armed and other forms of strife. Frankly when i see the same shit today it doesn't surprise me at all.

858 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:30:14am

Hold your breath. The DOW is now up 140.

859 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:30:20am

re: #847 bellamags

Dwight Schrute from "The Office" I love him. heres an example

Good idea about the signs. I'll try

Oh, the hair! He's too short to be a bantam rooster but, he reminds me of one.

Have you asked the mall about the parking issues?

860 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:30:23am

re: #844 notutopia

re: #834 reine.de.tout

Thank you, folks. notutopia - The patrol guys are heroes. I'm a detective now, so I'm just a guy at a desk.

861 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:30:53am

re: #815 realwest

Hey {aussie} The colony of Georgia was "founded" as a penal colony and hundreds if not thousands of mostly Scots/Irish were sent here as punishment by the English.
IIRC, that's how Australia got started, no? A penal colony to which the English sent mostly Scots/Irish "criminals" (i.e., like ours they wouldn't give up Scotland or Ireland to become part of Great Britain and had the temerity to resist England with force but alas got caught [or in the case of MY Scot's ancestors, Clan Cameron, were betrayed by Clan Campbell])!

Yes, we were a prison colony - some say we still are :-)

The First Fleet arrives in Sydney Cove on the 26th January 1788

This is now our day of celebration, Australia Day

Your family history sounds so interesting - I'm trying to track down some of my long lost rellies on my Dad's side but no luck so far

862 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:31:19am

re: #856 bellamags

Actually the Groucho Marx nose/glasses/eyebrows thingy would be funny.

What if you already look like that?

863 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:32:28am

re: #860 Wyatt Earp

Major UNDERESTIMATION of a Detective. But, if you want to be humble...
I won't let you!
Thanks for all you Do!

864 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:32:31am

re: #846 legalpad

I was speaking of immigration, particularly the movement to have an inordinate number of immigrants come from a single demographic.

I've read here and elsewhere that Hispanic immigrants--due to their social conservatism about reproductive freedom (birth control and abortion)--were more likely to vote GOP. Or, is that established Hispanics?

865 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:32:32am

re: #833 Alouette

Doesn't NOW claim to represent all women?

Only moonbat women.

Conservative women are targets.

866 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:32:47am

Wow... Just got into the office... Rough morning...

Had to drive the gf to jury duty... As I was then driving to park the car to take LIRR into work, someone told me one of my tires was flattening... Sure enough it was... Went to gas station and nothing really happened to refill... Drove it home, put it in the garage and took Express Bus in... Took from 7:30 to 10 AM for me to get in... Yikes!

Funny from the gf... She says shes one of the few people at the Courthouse who speaks English as their primary language... She said these are ones who wanted free stuff and voted for the Zero...

867 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:32:48am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

Wyatt, I got a nephew getting ready to join the ranks as soon as he gets out of the academy this month. My condolences to you and your coworkers. Hopefully the nephew will prove to be an adequate replacement (on the whole -- he's down here in Texas).

868 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:32:54am

re: #838 Silhouette

Count me in that group.
You do know that McCarthy was a Senator and therefore not involved in the House Committee on Un-American Activities?
Since we're using wiki, "Today the term (McCartyism)is used more generally to describe demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations." Yes it is. The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist.
So to the re-writing of history to act as if communists were NOT in the US and absolutely set on overthrowing her.

Yeah, watch out for those un-American commie Jews - they're right under your bed!/

869 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:33:41am

re: #835 legalpad

Back for a little while -

So a smartypants yorkie, huh? Haven't heard of that breed.

I've got one of those too...

870 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:33:55am

re: #801 LindaMarie
Huh

He is back peddeling as fast as he can. At least we had enough sense then not to elect him.

Al Gore actually WON the popular vote!
We just narrowly dodged the disaster of a Gore Presidency (I shudder to think of POTUS GORE after
9/11) because of the Electoral College.
Which of course led the always American History Challenged Leftists' lose their collective four working brain cells!.

871 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:34:01am

re: #846 legalpad

I was speaking of immigration, particularly the movement to have an inordinate number of immigrants come from a single demographic.

And that is what one needs to bear in mind when some nitwit lobs the "bigot" red herring. Throughout its history, America has restricted immigration from certain countries so that it would not be overwhelmed by any one particular culture. America is a melting pot; we've taken the best of all the world's cultures, and melded them into a unique culture of our own.

872 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:34:32am

re: #867 unclassifiable

Wyatt, I got a nephew getting ready to join the ranks as soon as he gets out of the academy this month. My condolences to you and your coworkers. Hopefully the nephew will prove to be an adequate replacement (on the whole -- he's down here in Texas).

Every good person helps. Thank him for me.

873 livefreeor die  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:34:46am

re: #729 Wyatt Earp

Morning Lizards. Please pray for my department today. We lost another officer in the line of duty last night. Our fifth in a year.

Hi Wyatt,
Prayers going out to you, your department, and the officer's family. I heard the story this morning on the news. How horrible.
I didn't realize you were a fellow Philly area lizard.

874 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:34:54am

re: #868 Spare O'Lake

Yours is under your bed?
I have one that sleeps next to me in MY bed!
: )

875 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:35:36am

re: #864 MandyManners

I've read here and elsewhere that Hispanic immigrants--due to their social conservatism about reproductive freedom (birth control and abortion)--were more likely to vote GOP. Or, is that established Hispanics?

That didn't hold up this past election. Two-thirds voted for Obama.

876 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:35:48am

re: #850 realwest

Do you have any conflicted views between the discounts and their support of socialized medicine or am I reading to much into the "Divided We Fail" campaign?

877 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:35:57am
878 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:36:16am

re: #873 livefreeor die

Hi Wyatt,
Prayers going out to you, your department, and the officer's family. I heard the story this morning on the news. How horrible.
I didn't realize you were a fellow Philly area lizard.

Yep, born and bred. Came on the job in 1994. Thanks for the prayers.

879 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:36:44am

re: #864 MandyManners

I've read here and elsewhere that Hispanic immigrants--due to their social conservatism about reproductive freedom (birth control and abortion)--were more likely to vote GOP. Or, is that established Hispanics?

There is a real difference between Americans who happen to be Hispanic, those who chose legal immigration, and those who just cross the border.

A lot of tension, as well.

The illegals, in the cities where voter fraud is rampant (I count Houston in that group, whose ACORN numbers rival almost anywhere else), tend to vote overwhelmingly for the party of amnesty and handouts. I guess that means they're split about 50/50 these days. ;)

880 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:37:17am

re: #849 Silhouette

881 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:37:44am

re: #858 3 wood

Hold your breath. The DOW is now up 140.

It's just a ruse...

882 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:37:47am

yes there was a problem with communist spy's problem tail gunner joe went about it completly wrong as it was more about him than the spy's. the correct way to fight commie spys was not to go before the cam BUT TO SILENTLY GO TO THE FBI AND CIA and fund them to go do the digging to get the spys. NO SPY WAS EVER CAUGHT WITH A T.V. CAM. In fact his grandstanding hurt the anti communist cause more than anything else.

883 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:37:48am

GAH. I give up. bbl

884 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:38:14am

re: #859 MandyManners

Oh, the hair! He's too short to be a bantam rooster but, he reminds me of one.

Have you asked the mall about the parking issues?

Dwight always gets picked on and he cannot take a joke. He is totally hardcore and takes his job so seriously. Makes me roll on the floor laughing.
There is no property manager for this shopping center. I am about the closest thing to a property manager the landlord has, because he will call me when there is a problem. I'm kind of his pet tenant. He is a cool guy and is very laid back. He would just look at me like "quit whining". So I can pretty much do whatever, just taking the steps of signage and such costs a lot of money. Going out there and telling people to move is cheaper. LOL

885 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:38:29am

re: #820 MandyManners
Dues Mandy, dues. And an overwhelming majority of "older Americans" do belong to AARP - tens of millions of 'em - and the dues are, iirc $25.00 a month.
Add it up, and it's a LOT of fucking money.
And thanks, time for me to write my annual "piss off" letter to AARP on their political stance and spending of our money on misleading campaign adverts!

886 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:38:32am
887 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:38:40am

re: #868 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, watch out for those un-American commie Jews - they're right under your bed!/

Nice simplification into a strawman, with a veiled and subtle charge of racist.

The actual history is a bit more complex.

888 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:39:08am

re: #864 MandyManners

those are established, older hispanics... Younger hispanics, at least here in the Northeast, are solidly in the Obama/Dem camp...

And with Amnesty coming and likely to pass this time, the illegals will all vote Dem...

889 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:39:14am

re: #862 Ford_Prefect

What if you already look like that?

I guess the blond wig would suffice! LOL.

890 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:40:35am

re: #824 Iron Fist
Well other than it's "Cong" not "Kong" I agree completely - they are assholes who ENJOY MURDERING PEOPLE. Period.
Pure, unadulterated EVIL.

891 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:40:53am

re: #885 realwest

I guess that answers my question :)

892 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:41:05am

re: #864 MandyManners

I've read here and elsewhere that Hispanic immigrants--due to their social conservatism about reproductive freedom (birth control and abortion)--were more likely to vote GOP. Or, is that established Hispanics?

They didn't do that this last election. Theoretically, they could become successful and eventually vote Republican, but I think that would be awhile. In the meantime, democrats have a way of keeping people on welfare. They seem to have succeeded in this with other groups.

893 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:41:55am

re: #885 realwest

Morning my friend... All their 'divided We Fail' ads were meant to do was again, scare the elderly into not voting GOP... AARP wants socialized medicine but it will backfire when they realize that older Americans will get put to the back of the line...

894 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:41:56am

Venona Files dude. Venona Files.

[Link: www.nsa.gov...]

895 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:42:08am

Bill Ayers: That’s not the Sirhan Sirhan dedication I knew

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

I sure hope Caroline Kennedy is happy now?

896 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:42:29am

re: #884 bellamags

Dwight is the best... Sure to be a classic TV character...

897 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:42:48am

My only employee registered to post comments on LGF last night. She is very young and has enjoyed lurking on the site and reading comments. She always says "wow, these people are smart". She is a bright kid and has very strong conservative ideals already. I hope she does good.

898 JCM  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:42:55am

Absolute tool. Violated every rule for firearm safety.

Drunk.
Had his daughter get the firearm.
Failed to treat every gun as loaded.
Failed to clear the weapon.
Failed to maintain trigger discipline.
Failed to maintain muzzle control.

His 6 year old daughter is dead.
The rest of his kids are in protective custody.
His is in jail. (GOOD)
The gun grabbers have another argument to "prove" their case.

God save us from the idiots among us.

Girl shot while father cleans gun

ARRRGGGHHH!

899 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:43:41am

re: #876 unclassifiable

The AARP is joining the socialist agenda when it comes to this "DIVIDED WE FAIL" campaign. It serves the medicare eligible age groups and specifically the health and government reimbursed pharmacy benefits they solicit their membership too.
They are a huge financial machine for lobbying interests of ANTI-PHARMACEUTICAL companies.
They appeal to the masses by offering discount incentives on everything from hotels to clothing purchases. A percent of what you save gets kicked back to AARP through the retailers.

900 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:44:00am

re: #718 Hydrocarbon Hank

Any tips about buying new tires? No joke. How about Just Tires. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Need a set of four.

901 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:44:23am

re: #852 Iron Fist

Say rather that we think they are anti-American, because, well because it's true. Look at the sheer number of anti-American films that have come down the pipe in recent years that banked on giving the audience a Leftist indoctrination instead of telling a good story. They were all flops, some of them spectacularly flopping, to the tune of millions of dollars lost.
Couldn't happen to a nicer class of parasite.

I would be more worried if the leftist movies were not flops.
The great American free marketplace will triumph.
Being leftist doesn't necessarily mean one is un-American, does it?

902 aussiemagpie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:44:46am

Goodnight from Sydney and have a wonderful yesterday...:-)

903 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:44:55am

re: #900 midwestgak

Conditions? All weather? Snow?

904 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:45:26am

one of my d.i.l.'s is bi-ling. spanish & english she voted gop as did my sons but some of her family voted for obama he father had voted for bush but didn't got gop this time some were bothered by some of the anti hispanic voices in the closed borders crowd. My d.i.l. is worried about the effects of illegals lowering her standard of living and wants the laws inforced.

905 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:45:28am

re: #903 rawmuse

Conditions? All weather? Snow?

All weather.

906 jaunte  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:45:30am

re: #902 aussiemagpie

Goodnight; thanks for being the leading edge!

907 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:45:40am

re: #896 tfc3rid

Dwight is the best... Sure to be a classic TV character...

I didn't like the show at first, but once you watch it a couple of times, the characters really make the whole series enjoyable. They are complex and each one is very unique.
IMO, there would be no replacing Dwight with any other actor.

908 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:45:49am

re: #868 Spare O'Lake

Yeah, watch out for those un-American commie Jews - they're right under your bed!/

Jews? Who said anything about Jews?

And that is exactly how it is mocked these days. "Oooo, silly conservative, seeing commies under the bed."

Have you read what Ayers and his group wrote in Prarie Fire?

Read the keynote address at the 1948 Communist convention in America and tell me that it doesn't sound exactly like something read on the floor of the DNC today (changing buzz words of the day like "workers" to "working people", "colonial" to "third world") and of course changing "capitalism' to "the current American economic system" because they can't come out and admit they are after capitalism just yet.

They can't admit it just yet because they still need to fool those who think the communist threat isn't very real.

909 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:46:12am

re: #901 Spare O'Lake

I would be more worried if the leftist movies were not flops.
The great American free marketplace will triumph.
Being leftist doesn't necessarily mean one is un-American, does it?

Anti-American and Un-American are two different things, IMO.

Un-American is a ridiculous thing, because it is defined by the accuser.

Anti-American can be seen by the fruits of its labors.

Iron Fist used the term anti-American.

910 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:46:24am

re: #897 bellamags

My only employee registered to post comments on LGF last night. She is very young and has enjoyed lurking on the site and reading comments. She always says "wow, these people are smart". She is a bright kid and has very strong conservative ideals already. I hope she does good.

What is her nic?

911 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:46:50am

re: #898 JCM

Vodka. Lots of it.
Bad for cognitive thought processes.

912 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:47:22am

re: #801 LindaMarie

Hi there! I hope you are doing alright. A friend of mine showed me this article in a liberal/leftist Canadian magazine called The Walrus, and I am very interested to hear your thoughts on it:

The Archipelago of Fear

The reporter's basic thesis is that the high security buildings and plans are making things more dangerous in Kabul. That sounds idiotic to me, like saying the cart makes the donkey move forward. What is your take on it?

913 Macker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:47:52am

re: #901 Spare O'Lake

Yes.

914 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:48:04am

re: #897 bellamags

My only employee registered to post comments on LGF last night. She is very young and has enjoyed lurking on the site and reading comments. She always says "wow, these people are smart". She is a bright kid and has very strong conservative ideals already. I hope she does good.

Good for her. Hopefully, she'll turn some of her friends on to LGF, and we'll be able to counteract some of the brainwashing they've received from their schools and the MSM.

915 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:48:49am

re: #905 midwestgak

I had good experience with Big O.
They offer free rotation. But then, most places do.
I don't scrimp with tires. If you do, they have a way of letting you down at the most inopportune times.

916 JCM  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:48:54am

re: #900 midwestgak

Any tips about buying new tires? No joke. How about Just Tires. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Need a set of four.

Ask Barry, he seems to be an expert.
/

Your, drivers manual will have the basic specs for tires. Since your in the mid-west I suspect you'll want a minimum of all season, go with a major name, not one of those you've never heard of. You don't need top of line, but get the middle up upper range. The cheap tires wear out quicker and in the long run you'll pay more.

I have a set of Michellin's on my truck 120,000 and at least another 20,000 left on them.

917 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:49:11am

re: #854 ErnieG

They're still at it. "There is no Communist threat" has been replaced by "There is no Jihad" and "The War on Terror is a hoax."

Unlike the Commie scare in the '50s, at least the whackos haven't tried to pin the Jihad and the WOT hoaxes on the Jews (yet).

918 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:49:34am

re: #646 unclassifiable

Socialist

No wonder Harry Reid want's to bail it out.

919 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:49:40am

re: #838 Silhouette It is not illegal to be a member of the Communist Party in the USA and no matter what anyone tells ya, Tailgunner Joe was a mean motherfucker. He brow beat and threatened to (and sometimes did) get Hollywood studios to blacklist certain Hollywood writers and actors for believing in or even attending one meeting of the communist party. No body really gave him much attention however until he started on commies in the US Army. THe US Army had no use for Tailgunner Joe and General Welch finally had the temerity to say to McCarthy (remember this was all live TV) "Sir, have you no shame at last" (meaning how far would McCarthy go in NOT naming names, not producing evidence or anything silly like that against folks he'd accuse, on National Television, of being Communists and enemies of America.
After General Welch took his courageous stand this true demagouge McCarthy was through - and IMO, good riddance to him.

920 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:50:00am

re: #916 JCM

Ask Barry, he seems to be an expert.

Heh.

921 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:50:07am

re: #910 HoosierHoops

marbean. she is very sweet. I asked her if I don't have children, would she come visit me in the old folks home? (I have known her since she was about 11 and she is just young enough to be my daughter). She said "of course and i will bring my brothers and sisters with me". I just want to pinch her cheeks.

922 JCM  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:50:10am

re: #911 rawmuse

Vodka. Lots of it.
Bad for cognitive thought processes.

I'm thinking his cognitive processes were impaired before he started with the vodka.

923 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:51:21am

re: #914 David Simon

She was home-schooled and has a great family. I guess that is why she is interested in LGF, politics and such. She really is very bright.

924 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:51:32am

the hate america crowd is anti american, not all democrats are in this crowd. but the left wing of the party is. kos and the d.u. for example.

good people can differ on things like how to correct health care problems with out becoming anti american.

925 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:51:48am

re: #916 JCM

Ask Barry, he seems to be an expert.
/

Your, drivers manual will have the basic specs for tires. Since your in the mid-west I suspect you'll want a minimum of all season, go with a major name, not one of those you've never heard of. You don't need top of line, but get the middle up upper range. The cheap tires wear out quicker and in the long run you'll pay more.

I have a set of Michellin's on my truck 120,000 and at least another 20,000 left on them.

Thanks JCM. I drive a Sable. How much do you think I will spend for a major name middle up tire? $50, $75, $100?

926 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:52:00am

re: #921 bellamags

marbean. she is very sweet. I asked her if I don't have children, would she come visit me in the old folks home? (I have known her since she was about 11 and she is just young enough to be my daughter). She said "of course and i will bring my brothers and sisters with me". I just want to pinch her cheeks.

Bella, if you don't mind my asking, what kind of business do you have?

927 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:52:47am

re: #673 realwest

Why that's the kind of business model the Taxpayers here are probably going to loan FIFTY BILLION dollars too.
Yes, $50 billion.
$25 Billion* to retool to make more enegy efficient vehicles and
$25 Billion to try to stay in business long enough to develope and sell those more energy efficient vehicles.
*Approximately $19 Billion will be used to repay the loans previously made to the Big 3 by the UAW's Pension Funds.

It's total BS. The UAW's bloated wages and benefits are uncompetitive and unsustainable. Toyota functions without the UAW. The UAW needs to be kicked to the curb. But alas - our idiot congress led my inept union suck-ups will inevitably give in to the union bosses demands. it's pay back time. and we the tax payer must pony up.

928 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:53:12am

re: #887 OldLineTexan

Nice simplification into a strawman, with a veiled and subtle charge of racist.
The actual history is a bit more complex.

Were the American Commies ever a real threat to the existence of America?
I don't think so - do you?

929 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:53:25am

I have also heard good things about tire service from Costco, if you have one nearby.

930 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:53:39am

Obama Victory 2012

What to do about it.

931 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:54:19am

re: #778 lawhawk

It's one that is unsustainable without federal intervention. /

It's time to pressure and swarm the congressional switch board. Just like we did during shamnesty.

932 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:54:49am
933 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:55:00am

re: #923 bellamags

She was home-schooled and has a great family.

Ah, that explains it.

I had a great family (albeit my parents are left-leaning), but plenty of brainwashing. I had to escape from the Dark Side.

934 JCM  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:55:44am

re: #925 midwestgak

Thanks JCM. I drive a Sable. How much do you think I will spend for a major name middle up tire? $50, $75, $100?

At a Discount shop near me, the mid-range Michellin is $125 ea. That's for a 90k tire. If you don't think you have the car that long you can do really well for around $100.

935 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:55:56am

re: #919 realwest

Not to stir a hornets nest, but I read Ann Coulters book on this,and she came away with a different scenario. As I saw it Joe was goaded into releasing the names in public. He didn't want to. And it was the House investigation that outed the commies.
I don't see that as a bad thing. I also still don't believe Patti Hearst when she says she was brainwashed, But that's just me.

936 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:56:04am

re: #926 Ford_Prefect

Bella, if you don't mind my asking, what kind of business do you have?

I have been a massage therapist for 16 years and rented space from a tanning salon (i know, weird). When the owners wanted to retire, they offered me the salon. I thought how hard can it be? (i had no idea how hard it is) I turned it into a really cool tanning salon / day spa. It is one of the nicest salons around. The services I offer go really well together and I don't think any other salon in the area offers what I offer under the same roof.

937 Steffan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:56:18am

Words of wisdom.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

James Taranto points out that the sunshine patriots are out in force.

For the past eight years (and longer) we have heard from those on the liberal left that there is no inconsistency between loving your country and disagreeing strongly with the policies of its government. That is true. The country is bigger than the party in power; you can love the former while despising the latter. That does not seem to be the way the people in the N&O story feel, though. Their love for America is conditional upon their party being in power.

The funny part (not humorous by any means) is that now they're saying dissent is evil.

As Bugs Bunny would have said, wotta buncha maroons.

938 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:56:29am

re: #919 realwest

yes there were commie spy's but the t.v. cam is not the way to find them. tail gunner Joe was more about Joe than finding commie spies. what should have been done was better funding for the FBI and CIA so they could root out the spies not to go before the t.v. cam.

939 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:56:32am

off again

940 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:56:51am

re: #928 Spare O'Lake

Were the American Commies ever a real threat to the existence of America?
I don't think so - do you?

They did some damage. Some of it is still around around. Doesn't make me a Joe McCarthy fan, just someone that can and has read history that hasn't been condensed into a textbook.

941 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:57:14am
942 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:57:54am

re: #933 David Simon

Ah, that explains it.

I had a great family (albeit my parents are left-leaning), but plenty of brainwashing. I had to escape from the Dark Side.

Yep. Me too. My parents were great (more so my dad), and he raised his kids right. When we were old enough to figure stuff out we had a good foundation and came to the proper conclusions.

943 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:57:56am

re: #928 Spare O'Lake

it was commie spies like the rosenbergs that gave the a-bomb to the soviets so you are wrong spare o'lake

944 JCM  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:58:15am

re: #927 FrogMarch

It's total BS. The UAW's bloated wages and benefits are uncompetitive and unsustainable. Toyota functions without the UAW. The UAW needs to be kicked to the curb. But alas - our idiot congress led my inept union suck-ups will inevitably give in to the union bosses demands. it's pay back time. and we the tax payer must pony up.

Was listening to a guest on local radio, 4th generation auto worker, started in the engine plant and worked up to management.

Her story was jaw dropping.

Detroit Three--Thanks for the Memories

Second, as a former supervisor of UAW workers at a GM facility, I will say that poor management and union malpractice made the Detroit Three uncompetitive long before the government sent in their arsonists.

To put it bluntly, the UAW takes the hard earned money of the best workers and spends it defending the very worst workers while tying up the industry with thousands of pages of work rules that make it impossible to be competitive. And the spineless management often makes short sighted decisions to satisfy the union and maximize immediate benefits over long term sustainability.

945 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:58:20am

re: #894 x-wing

Venona Files dude. Venona Files.

[Link: www.nsa.gov...]

re: #928 Spare O'Lake

Were the American Commies ever a real threat to the existence of America?
I don't think so - do you?

Take a look and you tell me.

946 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:58:33am

re: #852 Iron Fist

Say rather that we think they are anti-American, because, well because it's true. Look at the sheer number of anti-American films that have come down the pipe in recent years that banked on giving the audience a Leftist indoctrination instead of telling a good story. They were all flops, some of them spectacularly flopping, to the tune of millions of dollars lost.

Couldn't happen to a nicer class of parasite.

Flops in the US, yes. But there is a vast market for anti-American films around the globe.

So you can lose money here, and make a mint overseas.

947 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:58:41am

re: #861 aussiemagpie
Just some truly EXCELLENT history in that post {aussie}!
Yeah, my family history and lineage is full of "trouble makers who threatened authority" - good thing that ended before I came along, eh?!
Actually, Clan Cameron was in ALL the battles against the Brits and William Wallace (the real guy, not the actor who protrayed him) always gave Clan Cameron his right flank (usually a spot reserved for the best in the Army - and usually a spot full of spot on, red-eyed crazies! LOL!).

948 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 7:59:52am

re: #865 3 wood

Only moonbat women.

Conservative women are targets.

Conservative women are not really women. The proof is that we have more babies than abortions.

949 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:00:02am

re: #936 bellamags

I have been a massage therapist for 16 years and rented space from a tanning salon (i know, weird). When the owners wanted to retire, they offered me the salon. I thought how hard can it be? (i had no idea how hard it is) I turned it into a really cool tanning salon / day spa. It is one of the nicest salons around. The services I offer go really well together and I don't think any other salon in the area offers what I offer under the same roof.

Good for you. American ingenuity and enterprise in action. If only more people had that kind of attitude maybe we wouldn't have lost this election to a bunch of voters with their hands out looking for our piece of the pie. I hope you don't make more than 250 200 150 44 thousand dollars and will be seeing your taxes go up. Gotta share that wealth you know.

950 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:00:06am

re: #864 MandyManners
Uh Hispanics here voted overwhelmingly for Obama - so much for McCain's "immigration/Shmensty plan, eh?!

951 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:00:21am

bbl

952 FrogMarch  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:01:06am

re: #944 JCM

To put it bluntly, the UAW takes the hard earned money of the best workers and spends it defending the very worst workers while tying up the industry with thousands of pages of work rules that make it impossible to be competitive. And the spineless management often makes short sighted decisions to satisfy the union and maximize immediate benefits over long term sustainability.

Bingo!
Thanks, JCM.

953 JCM  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:02:17am

This got posted last night. I forgot who, or I'd give 'em a HT.

How Obama Got Elected.

Sit down and hold your mouth closed.

954 Steffan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:02:33am

re: #909 OldLineTexan

Anti-American and Un-American are two different things, IMO.

Un-American is a ridiculous thing, because it is defined by the accuser.

Anti-American can be seen by the fruits of its labors.

Iron Fist used the term anti-American.

Remember, if you will, that there used to be a House Un-American Activities Committee.

955 jaunte  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:02:36am

re: #950 realwest

Redistribution/pork trumps conservative tradition/principles?
Good morning, RW.

956 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:03:03am

re: #866 tfc3rid
Hey my freind - sorry you had such a rough morning!
Do the jurors still get paid $40 A DAY for jury duty (and then only if their employer doesn't pay them their salaries while they are on jury duty)?
And yes, I must say I brushed up on my Spanish speaking skills quite a bit for the two weeks I was on Jury duty. More in the State Court juries than the Federal ones, though.

957 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:03:12am

re: #949 Ford_Prefect

Thanks. As far as income, everyone's goal should be to make more than $250,000. I would love to - but it is still a few years away. My nic is blue if you want to see my website. Email me and I will send you a link.

958 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:04:03am

re: #953 JCM

This got posted last night. I forgot who, or I'd give 'em a HT.

How Obama Got Elected.

Sit down and hold your mouth closed.

That is amazing - i saw last night and emailed the link to everyone I know.

959 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:04:25am

re: #908 Silhouette

Jews? Who said anything about Jews?

McCarthy and all the other assholes back then. They went after the Commie Jews in Hollywood.
Get your head out of your ass!

960 jaunte  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:05:19am

re: #953 JCM

Related:
[Link: www.adweek.com...]

I posted this yesterday, about the effectiveness of the Obama ad campaign:

"Tracey estimates that Obama spent about $250 million on ads during the general election, compared to $130 million for McCain. During the course of the entire 18-month battle, presidential campaign ad spending totaled about $700 million, up 40 percent from the $500 million that was spent four years ago.
...
Obama was achieving 98 percent reach and a frequency rate of 20 to 25 exposures a week to viewers 18-plus with his messages, said Aston. McCain was reaching the same audience levels but with only about 10 exposures a week. "Obama was completely saturating those markets,"said Aston. "He got his messages across, about his character, the issues and differences between him and his opponent. And for constituents who want to learn more, he directed them to Web sites."
961 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:05:31am
962 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:05:55am

re: #959 Spare O'Lake

you need to chill out

963 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:06:16am
964 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:06:21am

re: #930 legalpad

I've been making that point since the election... This will ensure a Dem majority for a looong time...

965 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:06:32am

re: #958 bellamags

That is amazing - i saw last night and emailed the link to everyone I know.

I've actually talked with smart people who were like that. By smart they do well, have jobs that require motivation, thinking and the rest of it. But when it comes to the last election they sounded like that.

966 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:07:05am

re: #953 JCM

Stupid people decide Elections. That is a cynical but verifiable fact that I learned about politics long ago.

967 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:07:19am
968 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:07:21am

re: #932 Iron Fist

It may not be exactly one-to-one but for the most part Leftists want to bring down America and rebuild the Country through Socialist means. They theorize (and fantasize) on the proper use of force to create the chaos and collapse that they need to implement their Socialist Worker's Paradise.

If they want to overthrow the government by force (and they do want to overthrow the government), I think it is fair to say that they are un-American in their actions no matter what they say in flowery rhetoric. That's why Ayers is seen as a leader in the "anti-war" faction. They see nothing wrong with bombings and murder in the name of the Cause.

I distinguish between leftists and Communists.

969 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:07:28am

re: #959 Spare O'Lake

McCarthy and all the other assholes back then. They went after the Commie Jews in Hollywood.
Get your head out of your ass!

Sean Penns' parents were Joos?

I'm asking, I really don't know.

970 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:07:34am

re: #965 jcm

I've actually talked with smart people who were like that. By smart they do well, have jobs that require motivation, thinking and the rest of it. But when it comes to the last election they sounded like that.

Total brainwashing from the media. That is the problem. The MFM.

971 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:08:03am

re: #876 unclassifiable
No, I don't. They really aren't for socialized medicine, but you wouldn't BELIEVE the crap you have to wade through NOW just to deal with Medicare. And Medicare is EXPENSIVE.
I pay about $20 a month less for Medicare than I did for COBRA Private Insurance and the bureaucracy involved in Medicare is not to be believed. What AARP is fighting for is lower Medicare costs and a SYSTEM of SOME SORT instead of the hodgepodge we have now (what kind of insurance for what kind of benefits you want varies from state to state here!).

972 vxbush  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:08:50am

re: #966 rawmuse

Stupid people decide Elections. That is a cynical but verifiable fact that I learned about politics long ago.

Morning, everyone. I think it is a part of human nature that there will always be, for each one of us, an area of life that we know virtually nothing about. But it is a travesty of the modern world that people have the right to vote (unlike so many other countries) and they squander it by not getting educated on the facts. I would wish that more people understood math and statistics, but I would happily trade that if it meant more people researched politics and current events.

973 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:08:52am

re: #956 realwest

Yes,, still $40 a day... The times I've had it here, the prosecutors all wanted me on the jury but never the defense attorney's... Shocking...

974 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:09:22am

re: #953 JCM
I believe it was TFK ?

975 Steffan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:09:41am

re: #900 midwestgak

Any tips about buying new tires? No joke. How about Just Tires. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Need a set of four.

I used to love Winston Tires. The local dealer folded some years ago, but they're still around.

Check out your local Wal-Mart. They have some very good tires for relative bupkes.

976 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:10:16am

re: #966 rawmuse

Stupid people decide Elections. That is a cynical but verifiable fact that I learned about politics long ago.

Taught stupidity IMHO, they go into the educational system and come out "educated" to think Change and Hope is real political policy.

977 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:10:39am

re: #886 Iron Fist

Jacketed hollowpoints are just our way of saying "Sit down and shut up".

ROTFLMAO!

978 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:11:46am

re: #943 yochanan

it was commie spies like the rosenbergs that gave the a-bomb to the soviets so you are wrong spare o'lake

Commie spies like the Rosenbergs were a threat and were rightly dealt with. But that does not mean that American communists who were not spies were a threat to the existence of America.
IMO.

979 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:11:47am

re: #972 vxbush

People vote on emtion as opposed tovoting in the best person for the job... Obama was no where near qualified to be President of the United States... I think he's failing a first big test by not standing up for the will of the people via Prop. 8... He has not said anything to people to stop protesting and vandalism...

The means of protesting and vandalism are not helping gay rights advocates in getting their message across...

980 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:12:33am

re: #954 Steffan

Remember, if you will, that there used to be a House Un-American Activities Committee.

A ridiculous thing.

981 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:12:35am

re: #976 jcm

Taught stupidity IMHO, they go into the educational system and come out "educated" to think Change and Hope is real political policy.

Obama thought Change and Hope were viable political policies... Now he has to govern on them...

982 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:12:43am

re: #975 Steffan

I used to love Winston Tires. The local dealer folded some years ago, but they're still around.

Check out your local Wal-Mart. They have some very good tires for relative bupkes.

That is true. But for goodness sakes check the prices out carefully.

I'd been buying Douglas tires for the low price, but found out that WallyWorld had the original equipment Goodyear Wranglers at $5/tire cheaper.

983 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:12:52am

re: #971 realwest


I am out of here for a while but thank you for your reply.

984 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:00am

re: #959 Spare O'Lake

McCarthy and all the other assholes back then. They went after the Commie Jews in Hollywood.
Get your head out of your ass!

And the problem with that is...?

985 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:08am

In American politics, (at the present day) each side has its 40-48% reliable voters that are informed. Elections are decided by that remainder who either don't know or don't care, but WILL vote for the prettiest, or the flashiest ad or (fill in the blank). The stupid.

Ergo, the stupid decide elections.

986 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:13am

re: #959 Spare O'Lake

Simma' down, now. Simma' down.

987 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:18am

re: #962 bellamags

you need to chill out

LOL. You are correct.

988 J.S.  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:20am

re: #974 notutopia

I believe you're correct, it was Tfk..

989 jorline  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:36am

Good morning, Lizards.

Hey Buzz, looks like the big three auto makers need a song called "Bailout Rock" sung to the tune of Jail House Rock.

990 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:13:54am

re: #961 buzzsawmonkey

BTW--is there any record, ever, of the auto company fat boys with the multi-million top salaries, or of the brokerage and hedge fund fat boys with the multi-million top salaries, ever foregoing their bonuses, stock options and perks and plowing some of their money back into the business?

Or do they just come 'round to Washington with their tin cups in hand?

Believe it or not, yes (although I think they got restricted stock instead).

991 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:15:01am

re: #978 Spare O'Lake

Commie spies like the Rosenbergs were a threat and were rightly dealt with. But that does not mean that American communists who were not spies were a threat to the existence of America.
IMO.

Obama is a communist and not likely a spy is he a threat?
Communist are all over the educational system are they a threat?

Communism and liberty are diametrically opposed. While communist ideology itself is not a threat, any communist in education, media, or government is a threat to liberty they don't have to be a spy.

992 jester6  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:15:05am

Lizards -

Please look at this article and tell me if you think that all you need is a person who can climb a ladder and an IED to make it an operational plan?

[Link: blog.cleveland.com...]

It went to 500,000 people today in Northeastern Ohio.

993 vxbush  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:15:08am

re: #979 tfc3rid

People vote on emtion as opposed tovoting in the best person for the job... Obama was no where near qualified to be President of the United States... I think he's failing a first big test by not standing up for the will of the people via Prop. 8... He has not said anything to people to stop protesting and vandalism...

The means of protesting and vandalism are not helping gay rights advocates in getting their message across...

But why do they vote on emotion? Why do they vote based on appearance? Why are they, in essence, dumb voters? They don't think they are voting based on emotion. They think they are voting based on facts. The problem is, they are only half listening to the news when they have no idea that Pelosi is Speaker of the House. And they don't care enough to really find out more.

994 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:15:13am
995 Steffan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:15:50am

re: #956 realwest

Hey my freind - sorry you had such a rough morning!
Do the jurors still get paid $40 A DAY for jury duty (and then only if their employer doesn't pay them their salaries while they are on jury duty)?
And yes, I must say I brushed up on my Spanish speaking skills quite a bit for the two weeks I was on Jury duty. More in the State Court juries than the Federal ones, though.

Two weeks? Where the heck do you live?

I had jury duty last week. Two days -- it would have been one day but they didn't get the call from Riverside until late on Monday. I'm free from that for the next year. :)

996 aggieann  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:15:51am

re: #709 reine.de.tout

Good grief!
Everybody's having big "sales" right now.
I wish there were something I needed to have.

I visited San Antonio last week and stopped by a mall that was so swanky that I thought they would ask me to leave (The Shops at La Canterra for those of you who are swanky). At each store, I was one of only a handful of shoppers, and was bombarded by salespeople with news of their big sales--buy one, get one free; 60% off, etc. Made me wonder what the sales will be like in early January.

997 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:16:12am

re: #978 Spare O'Lake

Commie spies like the Rosenbergs were a threat and were rightly dealt with. But that does not mean that American communists who were not spies were a threat to the existence of America.
IMO.

Of course they were--and, still are--threats to America. They infiltrated every field, some openly as Communists and some quietly.

Look where Angela Davis is now.

998 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:16:56am

Been watching Sec. Paulson on the TV. Is there any chance he's related to Pat Paulson? Like maybe this is just a failed skit gone horribly wrong?

'Cause I'm a little too old to be fooled by a laugh-track. It's either funny or not.

999 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:17:02am

Whatever became of Ed Mahmoud etc?

1000 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:17:22am

re: #963 Iron Fist

I think you are forgetting the Rosenbergs. Helping Stalinist Russia to get nuclear wepons looks pretty destructive to me. The whole MAD thing came about as a result of it. Also the Cuban Missile crisis, Viet Nam and brush-fire wars in Latin America. Communism lost the Cold War, but if you don't think that the Communists were ever a threat you need to take a refresher course on the Cold War.

The Rosenbergs were Commie spies.
Also, to me at least, leftists and Communists are two different things.

1001 The Hoopster  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:17:45am

re: #989 jorline

Good morning, Lizards.

Hey Buzz, looks like the big three auto makers need a song called "Bailout Rock" sung to the tune of Jail House Rock.


Good Morning Jorline..
I've got those low-down out of money detroit blues...

1002 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:17:55am

re: #999 unreconstructed rebel

Whatever became of Ed Mahmoud etc?

Stinky capped his ass for dissing Charles on other blogs like GOV, etc.

1003 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:18:00am

re: #924 yochanan
Respectfully yochanan, the Democratic Party IS all leftists "radicals" these days: see Barak Hussein Obama and his weird and motley crew of followers.
DU and KOS are now MAINSTREAM Dems.
Folks like Joe Lieberman, a classic liberal, no longer have a home in today's Democratic Party - and I'd guess that Scoop Jackson and I know Clell Miller would be asked to leave today's Dem Party.

1004 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:18:25am

re: #999 unreconstructed rebel

Whatever became of Ed Mahmoud etc?

Banned.

1005 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:18:53am

re: #996 aggieann

I visited San Antonio last week and stopped by a mall that was so swanky that I thought they would ask me to leave (The Shops at La Canterra for those of you who are swanky). At each store, I was one of only a handful of shoppers, and was bombarded by salespeople with news of their big sales--buy one, get one free; 60% off, etc. Made me wonder what the sales will be like in early January.

The Christmas pie is smaller due to Bush, didn't you hear?

Everyone is out getting their slice.

To be fair, Halloween has passed and the Great American Spend-A-Thon is in progress, or at least the retail sector hopes so. MANY retail businesses finance the rest of the year on the Christmas quarter.

1006 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:19:06am
1007 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:20:33am

re: #984 Alouette

And the problem with that is...?

1. Most of the Commies were not Jews.
2. Most of the Jews were not Commies.
3. People should not be blackballed from working simply because of their political views.

1008 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:20:43am

re: #1004 MandyManners

Banned.

Very weird. He was very careful with his commentary. I wonder what sent him off the edge?

1009 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:20:44am

re: #1005 OldLineTexan

The Christmas pie is smaller due to Bush, didn't you hear?

Everyone is out getting their slice.

To be fair, Halloween has passed and the Great American Spend-A-Thon is in progress, or at least the retail sector hopes so. MANY retail businesses finance the rest of the year on the Christmas quarter.

I wonder what this year's Black Friday will be like.

1010 vxbush  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:20:45am

re: #1006 Iron Fist

Dude, in one of my civil trials when we were doing the Jury selection thing we had a guy who, when asked if he knew any of the people involved, pointed at the counsel for the Defense and said "I know that son of a bitch, there. He owes me money!"

Needless to say even though we wanted him on the Jury he was excused.

Man, you get all the fun. My time on jury duty was nowhere near as exciting. Just someone trying to scam a drugstore out of money.

1011 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:20:51am

re: #927 FrogMarch
Oh yeah, it's payback time ok. Read in IBD that the UAW put something like 85,000 "volunteers" to work for Obama this past election - not to mention the TONS of money they gave Obama. They'll get their $50 Billion, count on it.

1012 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:21:29am

re: #996 aggieann

I visited San Antonio last week and stopped by a mall that was so swanky that I thought they would ask me to leave (The Shops at La Canterra for those of you who are swanky). At each store, I was one of only a handful of shoppers, and was bombarded by salespeople with news of their big sales--buy one, get one free; 60% off, etc. Made me wonder what the sales will be like in early January.

Talked to my broker the other day. She was lamenting the poor crowds in the shops. I'd just gotten back from a WallyWorld, Sams Club, Target trip and the stores were packed.

I asked, "Where do you shop?"

"Nordstroms, Macys, Dillards, etc."

There's the difference, right there.

I might need another broker.

1013 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:21:30am

re: #1009 MandyManners

I wonder what this year's Black Friday will be like.

I hide out at home. Did that twice in my life; don't think I could be tempted again.

1014 bellamags  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:21:33am

re: #1006 Iron Fist

Dude, in one of my civil trials when we were doing the Jury selection thing we had a guy who, when asked if he knew any of the people involved, pointed at the counsel for the Defense and said "I know that son of a bitch, there. He owes me money!"

Needless to say even though we wanted him on the Jury he was excused.

HA. i would have died laughing.

1015 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:21:49am

re: #1005 OldLineTexan

The Christmas pie is smaller due to Bush, didn't you hear?

Everyone is out getting their slice.

To be fair, Halloween has passed and the Great American Spend-A-Thon is in progress, or at least the retail sector hopes so. MANY retail businesses finance the rest of the year on the Christmas quarter.

Is it only Friday weighed or, does it take into consideration that entire weekend?

1016 jorline  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:21:54am

re: #1001 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Jorline..
I've got those low-down out of money detroit blues...

Hey Hoopster...I hear ya. Hope you're well this morning.

1017 Golem Akbar  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:22:05am

Good morning Lizards. The air here in Los Angeles (in the Valley) is finally clear. No smoke from the fires. Lots of destruction reported. Lots of homes gone. So much for living in paradise.

1018 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:22:28am

re: #1009 MandyManners

I wonder what this year's Black Friday will be like.

From what I read in the newspapers, it will be a bit late this year.

1019 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:23:02am

re: #1008 unreconstructed rebel

Very weird. He was very careful with his commentary. I wonder what sent him off the edge?

I've no idea. Of course, there are those who would say that he never was very far off the edge.

1020 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:24:08am

re: #1013 OldLineTexan

I hide out at home. Did that twice in my life; don't think I could be tempted again.

I did it years ago before it was much ballyhooed. The only time in my adult life that I recall going to the mall that day was last year when I was busy fluffing and folding my cashmere sweaters.

1021 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:24:20am

re: #992 jester6

Yes, I'll give that a resounding "WTF!". Nice of them to put a red light on the weakest element, too, just to make it easier to find at night. Maybe they should print copies of this article and distribute them at local mosques, too.

I cannot think of any possible reason why something like this should be posted.

1022 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:24:29am

re: #1018 unreconstructed rebel

From what I read in the newspapers, it will be a bit late this year.

Black Friday is always the day after Thanksgiving.

1023 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:24:31am

re: #1015 MandyManners

Is it only Friday weighed or, does it take into consideration that entire weekend?

The whole "holiday shopping season" is rather nebulous to me. When I worked in retail, all numbers were by the quarter. My current employer tracks month by month (that I know is reported down to the Director level) and reports in public quarterly.

1024 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:24:35am

re: #992 jester6

Unintended Consequences of the red light?
Is this a clearance light? I hardly think they are foolish enough to just put a sole blinking marker on the weakest link of the bridge?

1025 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:25:13am
1026 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:25:17am

re: #1020 MandyManners

I did it years ago before it was much ballyhooed. The only time in my adult life that I recall going to the mall that day was last year when I was busy fluffing and folding my cashmere sweaters.

Black Friday at the Academy Sporting Goods and Outdoors store was OK. That was several decades back.

1027 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:25:24am

re: #1008 unreconstructed rebel

Charles discovered that Ed was posting sly provocative comments at LGF & starting arguments between other members. Then he would go to GoV or similar racist counter-jihad sites and brag about how he was stirring the shit at LGF. Stinky took exception to that kind of back-stabbing.

1028 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:26:12am

re: #993 vxbush

You are right... People don't care... They follow the herd... The facts they know are learned by watching The Daily Show, as most of my friends at work... They learned some really wacked out things by watching that...

All in all, people don't care or don't have the time to make a truly informed decision... I think a lot of people too want to support a winner... The sports culture/American Idol sulture that exists.

1029 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:26:23am

I was in the UAW for a few years, working my way through college in the late '70's. I still have friends in the union now. I can assure you, the stereotypical vision of the "Old UAW" bears little to no relation to the current union-company arrangement.

And now I need to blow off a little steam, as a lifelong-resident of the Detroit metropolitan area, which is in large part dependent on the auto industry to survive. I'm hearing a LOT of people say "Let Detroit die," and I'm sick to death of hearing it. These people don't know what the hell they're talking about, or, like the Senator whose main constituent is Toyota in the south, they have a vested-interest in seeing the American auto industry contract or go away altogether.

Detroit used to build a lot of junky cars, but they do much better now. Check out JD Power's current rankings, and you can see that the American automakers have upped their quality control to a level very close to the foreign-owned competition.

Michigan has been in a recession for about five years, and now that the rest of the country is in one, they're crying like moonbats at a tree-clearing holocaust. We've bailed out all kinds of companies, from airlines to insurance companies to investment weasels, but for some reason there are a lot of voices looking to draw the line at helping to save the American auto industry. No other developed country would let such a major part of their economy die off, without trying to help. Never mind the fact, the auto industry saved all of our asses in WWII, converting to wartime-production, and cranking out the tanks, planes and other materiel needed to defeat the Axis.

Let Detroit die? Okay. Let's also let California burn, let the hurricane-states drown, and let NYC raise their own funds to rebuild the WTC. Screw 'em all! It's Darwinism in action, and who are we to interfere?

Ok, I'm done. :)

1030 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:26:24am

re: #1007 Spare O'Lake

1. Most of the Commies were not Jews.
2. Most of the Jews were not Commies.
3. People should not be blackballed from working simply because of their political views.

Conservatives who want to work in the media are blackballed all the time for their political views.

Most religious Jews are not Commies, but Jews who work in the media are secular and extreme leftist. Have you read Haaretz, Ynet and JPost lately? Or the Forward? Or Barbra Streisand's blog?

1031 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:26:29am

re: #982 razorbacker

You might want to check out TireRack.com for tires. Very good prices and a full range of tire brands.

1032 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:26:45am

re: #957 bellamags

Thanks. As far as income, everyone's goal should be to make more than $250,000. I would love to - but it is still a few years away. My nic is blue if you want to see my website. Email me and I will send you a link.

Done

1033 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:26:57am

re: #1022 MandyManners

Black Friday is always the day after Thanksgiving.

Black Friday gets its name from when the retail industry goes from unprofitable (in the red) to profitable (in the black). The last quarter of the year is also known as the golden quarter for similar reasons.

Methinks "black" Friday will be a bit later this year, if at all.

1034 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:27:12am

re: #997 MandyManners

Of course they were--and, still are--threats to America. They infiltrated every field, some openly as Communists and some quietly.
Look where Angela Davis is now.

In Canada we never outlawed the Commie Party. I happen to believe that the USA is not threatened by the existence of Commies in America. As a Canadian, the thing I love most about America is the value placed on individual liberties, but the business of outlawing political opinion is to me a weakness.
Of course if someone commits treason or sedition then they should be prosecuted, but not for their ideas.

1035 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:27:28am

re: #1022 MandyManners

Black Friday is always the day after Thanksgiving.

I think that he's referring to the fact that Black Friday ads aren't quite so generous as previous years. Retailers don't know when to jump.

Best Buy, for example, has a Black Friday ad that seriously looks like just an everyday low price ad campaign.

1036 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:27:44am
1037 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:02am

re: #1006 Iron Fist

At least his ignorance was his defense. I hope it got him his money back!

1038 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:10am

re: #1023 OldLineTexan

The whole "holiday shopping season" is rather nebulous to me. When I worked in retail, all numbers were by the quarter. My current employer tracks month by month (that I know is reported down to the Director level) and reports in public quarterly.

I just hope that the numbers from the 27th are decent this year.

1039 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:17am

re: #1003 realwest

Although I did read that Sen. Lieberman might not lose his post as Chair of the Homeland Security subcommittee...

1040 jorline  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:26am

Ford CEO on bailout opposition: Past is past.

John Roberts: Why should taxpayers give you any of their hard-earned money?

Alan Mulally: Well, I think the compelling argument is that the automobile industry is just absolutely essential to the United States' economy. We are in an economic situation now, with the credit crisis and the financial and the banking issues, that we really, more than ever, the automobile industry needs to be part of the solution. And the only thing that we're asking for is to set up a bridge loan mechanism so that if the economy continues to deteriorate in the near term, that we could access that so we could continue to invest in the products that people really do want and value and help be part of this economic recovery.

Hey, I'm for earning what you can with no caps, but this guy has his hand out while pulling a 27.5 million dollar salary? Put together a business plan starting with your salary and union concessions and see where the chips fall.

1041 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:43am

re: #935 x-wing
Well stir away - I know if I'm on the other side of Ann Coulter I'm right.
Seriously, McCarthly didn't name names because he had NO EVIDENCE. But "left leaning"(maybe) people like Dashiel Hammett, Lillian Helmond, Dimitri Tomkin (composed music for such anti-American films as "High Noon") all got blacklisted. Hammett cause he went to one meeting of the Communist Party to find out more about it and later said that they were total "loons without a clue about America" but because Dash wouldn't "turn in his friends" who'd gone to the meeting, he never wrote another film or screenplay in Hollywood again.
McCarthy was an evil man who destroyed a lot of careers based purely on innuendo and people refusing to spy on or tell on their friends.
And, fwiw, I'm just barely old enough to vaguely remember seeing the hearings and hearing my Dad, (who politically was to the right of Atilla the Hun), say that McCarthy was the real UN-American.

1042 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:48am

re: #1038 MandyManners

I just hope that the numbers from the 27th are decent this year.

Oops. The 28th.

1043 pat  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:49am

re: #1025 Iron Fist

Banned. He was going over to other blogs and dissin' Charles and Little Green Footballs, and got caught. Turned out to be a real asshat.

And it was not only Charles. At the time it was reported he was bad mouthing other lGFers by name on another site while being nice to them here.

1044 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:54am

re: #969 x-wing

Sean Penns' parents were Joos?

I'm asking, I really don't know.

And here I thought Sean Penn just had too much dope in Mr. Hand's class.

1045 Dustoff-507  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:28:58am

I'm here...

1046 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:29:02am

re: #992 jester6

Lizards -

Please look at this article and tell me if you think that all you need is a person who can climb a ladder and an IED to make it an operational plan?

[Link: blog.cleveland.com...]

It went to 500,000 people today in Northeastern Ohio.

Not really, a basic mechanical engineering class, or static physics course and you know that point on any bridge fo that design is the critical fail point.

1047 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:29:29am

I just watched that How Obama Got Elected video.

Wow!

I knew the media was in the tank for the O, but I had no idea they were so effective. I do recall a discussion with a couple of very bright pro-Obama lawyers. They told me Obama had been Christian his entire life. I pointed out that Obama wrote in his own memoirs that he was raised agnostic, exposed to several faiths and only became a Christian when he was an adult and Michelle took him to Trinity United Church. They got very upset and insisted I was trying to tell them Obama was a Muslim. Clearly, some thinking processes were not functioning for them.

1048 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:29:38am

re: #1026 OldLineTexan

Black Friday at the Academy Sporting Goods and Outdoors store was OK. That was several decades back.

The MFM tried to paint it bad last year but, we were slammed where I worked. Cashmere flew out the door.

1049 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:29:50am

re: #1031 lawhawk

You might want to check out TireRack.com for tires. Very good prices and a full range of tire brands.

I did. There is a convenience factor in going to a place that has low prices, and while your vehicle is being shod you can do your quarterly shopping.

1050 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:29:56am

re: #1027 Kenneth

Charles discovered that Ed was posting sly provocative comments at LGF & starting arguments between other members. Then he would go to GoV or similar racist counter-jihad sites and brag about how he was stirring the shit at LGF. Stinky took exception to that kind of back-stabbing.

Thanks for the inform. I would not have guessed that about him. Life is full of surprises.

1051 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:29:59am

re: #1006 Iron Fist

My views of police and the reasons behind indictment had the judge tell me that he would never want me serving in criminal court...

1052 notutopia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:30:00am

re: #1026 OldLineTexan

I remember those back of the store sales. Wow, I could get several years worth of tackle and gear for mere pennies on the dollar.

1053 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:30:14am

re: #1045 Dustoff-507

I'm here...

Dustoff! Waves, ( only 1 mile or so away ).

1054 Dustoff-507  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:30:17am

re: #991 jcm


"BINGO"

1055 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:30:34am
1056 jorline  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:30:44am

re: #1011 realwest

Oh yeah, it's payback time ok. Read in IBD that the UAW put something like 85,000 "volunteers" to work for Obama this past election - not to mention the TONS of money they gave Obama. They'll get their $50 Billion, count on it.

Good morning, RW...good to see you.

1057 Steffan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:30:52am

re: #992 jester6

Lizards -

Please look at this article and tell me if you think that all you need is a person who can climb a ladder and an IED to make it an operational plan?

[Link: blog.cleveland.com...]

It went to 500,000 people today in Northeastern Ohio.

You're absolutely right. That is a how-to article on bringing that bridge down.

1058 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:31:15am

re: #1029 garycooper

The airlines were bailed out in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, but since then, the feds primary action has been to allow the companies to go bankrupt to reorganize and reduce the load of the burdensome union contracts. The companies that are in the best position to weather the economic crisis are the ones who have less of an exposure to bad union deals, and were able to do well with their energy contracts.

Now, the automakers face a similar situation. They could throw still more bad money at the billions lost by the automakers over the past few years as a result of their bad business decisions and the crazy situation where each vehicle costs thousands more as a direct result of the union contracts. The cars being made are comparable to foreign autos, including those produced at factories here in the US. The big difference is which factories have union contracts and which ones don't.

Any bailout of the automakers will delay a necessary restructuring of those companies to deal with the current and future markets. The steps they've taken to date only undermine their current and future competitiveness by delaying their product update/replacement cycle.

It's time for a change in Detroit, and it's not a bailout that they need.

1059 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:32:27am

re: #1048 MandyManners

Black Friday? Here's your Black Friday:

[Link: bfads.net...]
[Link: www.blackfriday.info...]

1060 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:32:30am

re: #1029 garycooper

I was in the UAW for a few years, working my way through college in the late '70's. I still have friends in the union now. I can assure you, the stereotypical vision of the "Old UAW" bears little to no relation to the current union-company arrangement.

And now I need to blow off a little steam, as a lifelong-resident of the Detroit metropolitan area, which is in large part dependent on the auto industry to survive. I'm hearing a LOT of people say "Let Detroit die," and I'm sick to death of hearing it. These people don't know what the hell they're talking about, or, like the Senator whose main constituent is Toyota in the south, they have a vested-interest in seeing the American auto industry contract or go away altogether.

Detroit used to build a lot of junky cars, but they do much better now. Check out JD Power's current rankings, and you can see that the American automakers have upped their quality control to a level very close to the foreign-owned competition.

Michigan has been in a recession for about five years, and now that the rest of the country is in one, they're crying like moonbats at a tree-clearing holocaust. We've bailed out all kinds of companies, from airlines to insurance companies to investment weasels, but for some reason there are a lot of voices looking to draw the line at helping to save the American auto industry. No other developed country would let such a major part of their economy die off, without trying to help. Never mind the fact, the auto industry saved all of our asses in WWII, converting to wartime-production, and cranking out the tanks, planes and other materiel needed to defeat the Axis.

Let Detroit die? Okay. Let's also let California burn, let the hurricane-states drown, and let NYC raise their own funds to rebuild the WTC. Screw 'em all! It's Darwinism in action, and who are we to interfere?

Ok, I'm done. :)

Well, I have a sincere question...How do you successfully bail out an industry with a cost structure 50% greater than the foreign competition? It seems to me that loans, capital infusions, etc, would only delay the inevitable unless costs can be lowered significantly.

Whadya think?

1061 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:32:34am
1062 spudly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:33:01am

I (happily) missed much of it (NPR Ayers story) over the shower noise. It was typical propaganda. Next time I'll have iTunes play some Tom Waits or something instead.

1063 Dustoff-507  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:33:17am

re: #1053 jcm

Damn. I better hide, your getting WAY to close. (-:

1064 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:33:27am

re: #961 buzzsawmonkey

BTW--is there any record, ever, of the auto company fat boys with the multi-million top salaries, or of the brokerage and hedge fund fat boys with the multi-million top salaries, ever foregoing their bonuses, stock options and perks and plowing some of their money back into the business?

Or do they just come 'round to Washington with their tin cups in hand?

As a matter of fact, yes. When Chrysler needed a bridge-loan about 30 years ago, Lee Iacocca worked without a salary during the recovery, taking his compensation in stock that would only be worth something if the company survived.

Chrysler paid back every penny they'd borrowed, ahead of schedule, and Lee Iacocca made out very handsomely on his stock options.

I've never heard of any such thing happening in the financial brokerage field. But, we're giving them the biggest bailout in American history, and they rammed it through Congress in about two weeks, with no details worked out. I'm "sensing a disconnect," as my least-favorite boss used to say all the time.

1065 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:33:51am

re: #1046 jcm

Not really, a basic mechanical engineering class, or static physics course and you know that point on any bridge fo that design is the critical fail point.

Okay, but it would be nice if the terrorists had to at least enroll in a university, sit through a basic mechanical engineering class, and do some detailed reconnaissance in order to figure this stuff out. I don't see any benefit from taxpayer-funded engineers doing their analysis, and then providing it to jihadists for free.

The taxpayer needs to know if a bridge is vulnerable to mechanical failure, how long it is expected to last, what the consequences of a failure would be, how much it would cost to fix it, etc. That way he can make an informed political decision about whether money should be spent on fixing it. But he doesn't need to know exactly which beam is the most vulnerable one.

1066 doppelganglander  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:34:07am

re: #1029 garycooper

I can understand your feelings, but I don't think the American car industry would die off or disappear if the government refuses to bail it out. Presumably, they'd file for bankruptcy like any other company. They'd sell off some of their assets and reorganize the rest. New owners with new ideas would take over and, let's hope, run the companies in a more profitable manner. Just because a company is big should not exempt it from the laws of the market.

1067 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:34:30am
1068 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:35:02am

re: #1063 Dustoff-507

Damn. I better hide, your getting WAY to close. (-:

I might be knocking looking for work soon. They just laid off my counter part in another division.

1069 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:35:52am

re: #991 jcm

Obama is a communist and not likely a spy is he a threat?
Communist are all over the educational system are they a threat?

Communism and liberty are diametrically opposed. While communist ideology itself is not a threat, any communist in education, media, or government is a threat to liberty they don't have to be a spy.

Obama is a Communist? Oh, I didn't know that./
Obama is a threat because of his left of center views and because of his questionable support for US military and its allies like Israel.

1070 ErnieG  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:36:16am

re: #1012 razorbacker

Talked to my broker the other day. She was lamenting the poor crowds in the shops. I'd just gotten back from a WallyWorld, Sams Club, Target trip and the stores were packed.

I asked, "Where do you shop?"

"Nordstroms, Macys, Dillards, etc."

There's the difference, right there.

I might need another broker.

That reminds me of the old joke about the broker who was showing his new boat to a friend. The friend looked around the yacht basin and asked, "Where are the customers' yachts?"

1071 Dustoff-507  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:36:34am

re: #1068 jcm

DAMN... )-:

So far Boeing is still looking good, but our stock is still taking hits.

1072 J.S.  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:37:36am

re: #1029 garycooper

There's that youtube video detailing what would occur should America's domestic car industry collapse..they make a compelling case...(I just wish the CEOs responsible for the financial mess would bail-out -- as in look for work elsewhere.)

1073 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:37:41am

re: #830 Ford_Prefect

Maybe I shouldn't have asked them what the point of having a chair was if they weren't going to let me use it. I have to say that the new New Britain DMV is a big improvement over the old one, in appearance and efficiency if not in attitude.

Jesse White, secretary of state of IL did a terrific job with the DMV here. Almost a pleasant experience.

It was truly a nightmare prior to his leadership.

1074 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:39:17am

re: #1041 realwest

I'm to young to have gone through it first hand, but as I posted twice the VENONA FILES on this thread. Just reading what and who was where in our gov't back in the forties. I'll side with the people sticking up for America. According to those files, there were some bad people in very high places in our gov't, If some Hollywood types felt sympathy towards them, they deserved what they got.

As for the guy that went to one meeting and said they were wacko. Let's say Kelsey Grahmer went to one KKK meeting, just to see what it was about.
Unintended consequences do suck, but ...

1075 David Simon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:39:38am

re: #1064 garycooper

I've never heard of any such thing happening in the financial brokerage field.

Execs at the investment bank Goldman Sachs aren't taking bonuses this year.

1076 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:40:34am
1077 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:40:40am

re: #941 buzzsawmonkey
I sit corrected on that one buzz. But if you really want to know who McCarthy was, you should note that in 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67 to 22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion. McCarthy died in Bethesda Naval Hospital on May 2, 1957, at the age of 48. The official cause of death was acute hepatitis; it is widely accepted that this was brought on by alcoholism.[5] [emphasis added realwest]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
BTW, I highly recommend reading the entire wiki entry on McCarthy - it is illuminating that he wound up accusing the US Army of harboring and promoting commies. That FINALLY pissed off Eisenhower who was responsible in large part for the hiring of Welch to rep the Army.

1078 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:41:03am

re: #1030 Alouette

Conservatives who want to work in the media are blackballed all the time for their political views.
Most religious Jews are not Commies, but Jews who work in the media are secular and extreme leftist. Have you read Haaretz, Ynet and JPost lately? Or the Forward? Or Barbra Streisand's blog?

If Conservatives are blackballed that does not make it right.
If a Jew is secular, that does not mean he is an extreme leftist.
If many Jews in the mainstream media are leftists it is not because they are Jews - it is because the entire MSM is leftist.

1079 J.S.  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:41:20am

re: #1066 doppelganglander

CNN was reporting that a Chapter 11 style bankruptcy (where the car manufacturers could obtain loans so that they could continue to do business), isn't available -- due to the credit crisis/crunch...they wouldn't be able to come up with the cash through loans.

1080 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:41:23am

re: #1029 garycooper

Detroit got doubly screwed by this economic crisis. The predatory lenders sold a lot of sub-prime mortgages in Detroit by convincing people to convert the equity in their homes to a line of credit. Then when the short term low interest rate period ended their rates shot up (yes, they should have read the fine print), they couldn't afford the payments. At the same time, the economic slowdown cut into car sales, which resulted in lay-offs. Suddenly, hundreds and then thousands of people in Detroit were loosing their homes they had worked years to buy.

Now the big car makers are in serious trouble and if they fail, hundreds of thousands of people will loose their jobs and homes, including people who never signed up for one of those sub-prime mortgages.

Meanwhile, the executives at Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae, who made a bundle swindling people out of their homes, aided & abetted by the Democrats in congress, managed to get their friends & allies in control of congress and even into the White House.

Make no mistake about it: the sub-prime mortgage swindle helped Obama & the Democrats buy the White House, while the media played along. The horrible irony is many of these folks who lost their homes & jobs voted for the crooks who swindled them.

1081 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:41:30am

re: #1065 Last Mohican

I understand the concern.

What I'm saying is if someone wants to do a bridge, a trip to the library is all that's needed.

1082 Steffan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:42:10am

re: #1034 Spare O'Lake

In Canada we never outlawed the Commie Party. I happen to believe that the USA is not threatened by the existence of Commies in America. As a Canadian, the thing I love most about America is the value placed on individual liberties, but the business of outlawing political opinion is to me a weakness.
Of course if someone commits treason or sedition then they should be prosecuted, but not for their ideas.

Gus Hall and Angela Davis were on the ballot as the CPUSA candidates for president and VP for a very long time. I haven't seen the CP on the ballot lately...

1083 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:42:28am

re: #1050 unreconstructed rebel

I found Ed strange. One day he would post something interesting. Another day he would write something very crude and juvenile. Most of the time it was just weather reports.

1084 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:42:42am

re: #1069 Spare O'Lake

Obama is a Communist? Oh, I didn't know that./
Obama is a threat because of his left of center views and because of his questionable support for US military and its allies like Israel.

Obama is a Marxist.
Every single influence in his life is a Marxist.
Every person he sought out is a Marxist.

His ideas, especially when speaking off the teleprompter are Marxist.

1085 x-wing  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:44:10am

re: #1069 Spare O'Lake

Obama is a Communist? Oh, I didn't know that./
Obama is a threat because of his left of center views and because of his questionable support for US military and its allies like Israel.

I see you missed my other posts. Did you read Obamas books? He said he chose his friends wisely. He hung out with black power movement,the Chicanos', Marxist professers.

Left of center my ass.

1086 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:44:12am

re: #955 jaunte
Afraid so! Good morning my friend, good to see you this morning, after the prior thread I really needed to "see" a friendly face this morning - I usually have to wait until evening to see ya!

1087 jcm  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:44:18am

Gotta run...

1088 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:46:55am

re: #1058 lawhawk

The airlines were bailed out in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, but since then, the feds primary action has been to allow the companies to go bankrupt to reorganize and reduce the load of the burdensome union contracts. The companies that are in the best position to weather the economic crisis are the ones who have less of an exposure to bad union deals, and were able to do well with their energy contracts.

Now, the automakers face a similar situation. They could throw still more bad money at the billions lost by the automakers over the past few years as a result of their bad business decisions and the crazy situation where each vehicle costs thousands more as a direct result of the union contracts. The cars being made are comparable to foreign autos, including those produced at factories here in the US. The big difference is which factories have union contracts and which ones don't.

Any bailout of the automakers will delay a necessary restructuring of those companies to deal with the current and future markets. The steps they've taken to date only undermine their current and future competitiveness by delaying their product update/replacement cycle.

It's time for a change in Detroit, and it's not a bailout that they need.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it is clear to me that you are woefully misinformed as to the complexity of the auto industry's predicament. I realize it is a cliche to the geniuses around the country, that the people in Detroit are a bunch of stupid clowns with no idea of how to run their business, and that the UAW is a corrupt pack of Commies who are out to destroy the goose that lays their golden eggs. It's utter rubbish, that was only partly-true about 20 years ago, and isn't true at all now.

For instance, a few years ago, the only vehicles the public were buying in large numbers from Detroit were trucks, SUV's, and other large vehicles. Those happened to be higher-profit items, too, so it worked out for Ford and GM, in particular, though they were already going through painful restructuring and the transition from old plants to new models that could change production on a dime, and build a lot of vehicles on the same base frame, as the competition does.

So, suddenly there's a manufactured "global warming crisis," and it becomes ultra-uncool to drive big "gas-guzzlers," unless it's a Mercedes. The price of gas is artificially raised through the roof by greedy speculators and the oil companies, and another nail is driven. American car companies are villainized by the Left, while Toyota's entry into the bigger light truck market (Tundra) is praised.

Nobody's saying the auto companies don't have to change. They ARE changing, far faster than anyone thought possible a few years ago. The $25 billion they are asking for is a pittance, compared to what's going out in other areas. I'm sick of talking about it, to be honest. It should have been done faster than the investment-firm bailout.

1089 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:47:18am

re: #1040 jorline

Ford CEO on bailout opposition: Past is past.


Hey, I'm for earning what you can with no caps, but this guy has his hand out while pulling a 27.5 million dollar salary? Put together a business plan starting with your salary and union concessions and see where the chips fall.

Yes. Let's see Ford's board work for free for a year. They can afford it. And I think the CEO could cut his salary, too. 27.5 million should pay a lot of grunts on the line.

1090 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:47:42am

re: #1055 Iron Fist

So you don't think that an employer has a right to not hire someone because they are a member of the Klan? Or are you just a Communist partisan?

What are you talking about?
The blacklist in the '50's was implemented by threatening the studio heads with dire consequences if they dared to hire the blacklisted actors.
This disgusting and un-American blackmail succeeded for several years until people finally had enough of this fascist treatment.

1091 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:47:48am

re: #983 unclassifiable
You're quite welcome!

1092 Dustoff-507  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:48:42am

re: #1084 jcm

"BINGO again"

1093 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:48:53am

re: #1060 eschew_obfuscation

I think the gov't should not bail them out but instead should buy preferred shares, appointing a new Board of Directors and a new CEO with the expectation they will enact severe restructuring of the corporation. That includes re-negotiating union contracts, opting out to non-unionized employees where possible, cutting deadwood and firing under-performers. When the rebuilt corporation starts making a profit again and the share prices go up, the gov't can sell their shares and use the money to pay back the tax-payers.

1094 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:49:26am

re: #989 jorline
Hey jorline - methinks a lot of folks in the auto industry - Big three anyway, need some jail time, excecutives, board memebers and UAW execs.

1095 OldLineTexan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:49:46am

re: #1082 Steffan

Gus Hall and Angela Davis were on the ballot as the CPUSA candidates for president and VP for a very long time. I haven't seen the CP on the ballot lately...

They didn't make the ballot where I vote. Dem/Rep/Lib only.

1096 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:51:01am

re: #995 Steffan
It was back in the day when I lived in Manhattan.

1097 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:52:49am

re: #1093 Kenneth

I think the gov't should not bail them out but instead should buy preferred shares, appointing a new Board of Directors and a new CEO with the expectation they will enact severe restructuring of the corporation. That includes re-negotiating union contracts, opting out to non-unionized employees where possible, cutting deadwood and firing under-performers. When the rebuilt corporation starts making a profit again and the share prices go up, the gov't can sell their shares and use the money to pay back the tax-payers.

And the autos can do that without Chapter 11?

I suppose that if the unions think their other alternative is no membership, they might be inclined to renegotiate contracts. What you suggest makes sense to the degree that it's possible.

1098 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:55:21am
1099 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:55:32am

re: #1006 Iron Fist
Oh, ROTFLMAO! LOL! Great one!

1100 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:55:50am

re: #1060 eschew_obfuscation

Costs can be lowered, and union-deals can be restructured. It's happening all the time, and will happen more in the immediate future, no matter what happens with the piddling "bailout" the companies are asking the Fed for now.

The UAW's bargaining-position now is akin to that of a guy sinking in quicksand, negotiating for a rope-toss. White-collar jobs are being lopped off by the thousands. Costs are going down, and the foreign competition will face rising costs, as their workforce ages and retires.

1101 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:57:11am

re: #994 Iron Fist

Very progressive of you. That is a difference without distinction. Both believe in collectivisation of the means of production and a more centralized control of the marketplace. Both are expansionist and call themselves "progressives". During the events that led up to the Second World the Leftists in America took their cue on how to deal with Hitler based on the relationship between Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia.
Again, it is a difference without distinction.

That is where we fundamentally differ.
BTW you can lick my chainsaw.

1102 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:57:13am

re: #1075 David Simon

Heheh...those guys are princes!

1103 quickredfox  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 8:58:12am

re: #1041 realwest

But "left leaning"(maybe) people like Dashiel Hammett, Lillian Helmond,

From the wiki article re: Hammett -- "He was a strong anti-fascist throughout the 1930s and in 1937 he joined the American Communist Party.[5] As a member of the League of American Writers, he served on its Keep America Out of War Committee in January 1940 during the period of the Hitler-Stalin pact.[6]." Hellman was long associated with leftist causes, it wasn't a "maybe."

This is in no way a defense of that clown McCarthy, just a "for the record" comment on the above individuals. People should not be blacklisted, left or right. Incidentally, the Hollywood lefties could be pretty nasty to their own if they were perceived as getting out of line, e.g. Albert Maltz -- whose wiki entry, incidentally, provides no hint of the raking-over-the-coals he received from his fellows, and his own subsequent recantation, when he dared to write something that wasn't sufficiently according to party lines.

1104 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:00:41am

re: #1029 garycooper
Dude - NOT giving money to the Big Three isn't letting 'em DIE. They'll go to Chapter 11 bankruptcy where the Judge will be able to "renegotiate" their bloated (and yes they are - more than $30 an hour difference in wages and benefits between Big 3 and Toyota, Honda, Kia etc in the US) union contracts and probably more importantly their contracts with the dealers which are apparently appalling even by Big 3 values!
And btw, which Political Party has run Detroit for all those years? Which political party got the most contributions from the unions?
Can you say DEMOCRATS - I knew you could.

1105 jester6  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:02:18am

re: #1024 notutopia

It may be a clearance light but I am not sure. If it is the arch directly over the river it may be. But the span is much higher then other spans further down the river. I was wondering if it was connected to a sensor.

re: #1046 jcm

So the critical point in that design is any one of those members. I guess that makes sense. And even if this is the weakest element it does not make that much of a difference.

1106 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:02:26am

re: #1034 Spare O'Lake
The Communist Party is legal here in the US today.

1107 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:04:32am

re: #1098 Iron Fist

What I am saying is that it is OK to not hire someone based on their political views. This is especially true during a war, when those political views are basically the Enemy's ideology. There were a lot of Communists in Hollywood then, and a lot who are basically Communist in their politics today. We would have no problem with blacklisting someone because they were in the Ku Klux Klan. Why, then, do Communists get a pass?

They don't in America.
But who gets to decide whether someone is a Communist?
If you are hiring actors for a movie, you will hire actors who have the most box-office appeal and who are the best actors. Why would their political views be relevant unless it affects their box-office appeal?

1108 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:05:00am

re: #1104 realwest

Dude - NOT giving money to the Big Three isn't letting 'em DIE. They'll go to Chapter 11 bankruptcy where the Judge will be able to "renegotiate" their bloated (and yes they are - more than $30 an hour difference in wages and benefits between Big 3 and Toyota, Honda, Kia etc in the US) union contracts and probably more importantly their contracts with the dealers which are apparently appalling even by Big 3 values!
And btw, which Political Party has run Detroit for all those years? Which political party got the most contributions from the unions?
Can you say DEMOCRATS - I knew you could.

Well, as I read over on Theo Sparks' blog,

"All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy."

Y'all have the best day possible, given your varying circumstances.

1109 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #1097 eschew_obfuscation

Maybe the gov't can make them an offer they can't refuse: here's the deal, renegotiate your contracts or lose all of them entirely. Pick one. Now.

Think Reagan and the air traffic controllers. Not that the president elect is anything like Reagan.

1110 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:06:44am

re: #1039 tfc3ridYeah, but that was just a sop to keep him from going Republican and keeping the Dems away from 60 in the Senate.
He really doesn't (and his committee doesn't) have very much at all to do with Homeland Security.
And he's waaay too liberal for security vs terrorists vs civil liberties - iirc he voted against FISA.

1111 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:07:16am

re: #1103 quickredfox

Let's not forget Leo Penn, Sean's Communist pappy, who never repented of his membership in the Party. Like the rest of the Hollywood Commies, who weren't a figment of McCarthy's imagination btw, he backed Nazi Germany as well, until Hitler broke the pact with Stalin by invading Russia.

Tail-Gunner Joe had his issues, but he wasn't wrong about all of it. I've read several books on the subject in the last few years, and while there were definitely some sad cases where "marginal commies" were persecuted unfairly, there was also a growing "Red Menace" in our country, at a time when it wasn't altogether certain that our form of government would win out over odious communism.

1112 Dustoff-507  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:08:43am

re: #1104 realwest


Morning buddy.

1113 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:10:38am

re: #1071 Dustoff-507
Hey there buddy! Boeing stock is taking hits? - welcome to the club!

1114 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:11:43am

re: #1106 realwest

The Communist Party is legal here in the US today.

Oh...thanks. LOL.

1115 garycooper  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:12:17am

re: #1104 realwest

Dude - NOT giving money to the Big Three isn't letting 'em DIE. They'll go to Chapter 11 bankruptcy where the Judge will be able to "renegotiate" their bloated (and yes they are - more than $30 an hour difference in wages and benefits between Big 3 and Toyota, Honda, Kia etc in the US) union contracts and probably more importantly their contracts with the dealers which are apparently appalling even by Big 3 values!
And btw, which Political Party has run Detroit for all those years? Which political party got the most contributions from the unions?
Can you say DEMOCRATS - I knew you could.

I see you also have all the answers, and are an expert on the American auto industry. Good for you! They should make you the Reconstruction Czar. ;)

And yes, I'm aware of the Democratic Party in Detroit. Are you also aware that we had a Republican governor, Engler, for multiple terms before the Dems somehow got this idiot Granholm elected, who has done less to help Michigan than any governor anywhere, ever?

1116 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:14:24am
1117 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:15:49am

re: #1074 x-wing
But my ass. McCarthy ultimately had NO evidence on virtually everyone he dragged before the TV Cameras, no one. And he even took on that noted commie lover Eisenhower and the U.S. Army.
Please.
Going to a political meeting of a LEGAL political party ought not get one banned from ever working at their profession again.
And your Kelsey Grammer thing is bullshit - EVERYONE KNOWS about the KKK - in the late 40's and even during time of War (Korea) McCarthy went off the rails at the US Army.
Y'all can post all you want to in the spin off links, but McCarthy was a drunk and a demeagouge for whom even his political colleagues punished him with a 75% censure vote.

1118 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:22:32am

re: #1116 Iron Fist

Have you been paying attention to the crap that Hollywood has been turnig out for the last eight years? Their politics are very relevant to their employment when they are turning out anti-American polemics.

And the Communists do get a pass. Whether it was Walter Duranty covering up for Stalin's famines or the whitewashing of Bill Ayers Hollywood and the Press have a profound influence on American political discourse. They frame the question, thereby defining the scope and direction of the answers to such questions.

Personally, I hate the anti-American shit that comes out of Hollywood, and it has reached the point where I rarely go to a movie unless I have received a reliable review from a friend or two.
But I completely disagree with you in all other respects./
LOL.

1119 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:25:30am

re: #1079 J.S.
Respectfully, CNN doesn't know what it's talking about.
Bankuptcy judge (well IF I WAS the bankruptcy Judge) would IMMEDIATELY order dramatic reductions in executive and board member compensations, order changes in union contracts, force them to sell off whatever assets they have that someone will buy, anything but the same old same old.At MOST the US should guarantee loans (a la Chrysler) and make executives of both business and Unions take stock as compensation - turn yourselves around, make money; keep going the way your runnng the companies NOW and you get nada.
The Taxpayers (of whom there are less and less if you look at the jobs being cut all over the place) can't and shouldn't support businesses that won't change or can't change the way they are doing business to try to make a profit themselves.
But the UAW came up BIG for Obama and the Dems, so expect to see that $50 Billion bailout (we've already said yes to a $25 Billion gift to enable them to switch to more energy efficient automobiles, thereby rewarding short sighted managers, executives and union leaders) and now they want another $25 billion just to keep going on losing money. That's INSANE and a Bankruptcy court judge would never allow it to happen.

1120 jester6  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:33:10am

re: #1060 eschew_obfuscation

Well, I have a sincere question...How do you successfully bail out an industry with a cost structure 50% greater than the foreign competition? It seems to me that loans, capital infusions, etc, would only delay the inevitable unless costs can be lowered significantly.

Whadya think?

It's worse than 50% higher. Take a look at this report from McKinsey & Company back in 2003.

[Link: www.gerpisa.univ-evry.fr...]

A few (of many) interesting points-

Of the 96 billion of liabilities on GM's balance sheet, retiree health care and pensions obligations account for 59 billion dollars of liabilities on GM's balance sheet in 2002. Shareholder equity and debt total just 39 billion. GM is essentially owned by its retirees (if not in a legal sense in an accounting sense).

In 2003 GM spent $1360 per car produced on legacy costs - Honda spent $105.

In 2003 there were 2.8 retirees on the GM pension system for every 1 worker at GM.

Forget about quality, jobs, pro-union, anti-union, executive pay, etc. Even the cars business and the financing business are essentially sideshow issues at this point.

The Big 3 are essentially underfunded entitlement systems which WILL collapse. The Big 3 and UAW know this because they want $25 billion in loans to fund their pension obligations.

Just as pouring more money into Medicare or Medicaid are not going to fix those programs; pouring money into the Big 3 will not fix them. They need to be totally restructured with a massive reduction in legacy costs. The UAW, Big 3 and Democrats are not inclined to do this for obvious reasons.

Lawhawk and others, I feel for you. I live near Cleveland and I know this is going to further devistate our region. But this system is going to collapse someday. $25 billion is just going to buy some time.

My guess is the government will nationalize these companies (although they will invent a new word). Shareholders and creditors will get wiped out, as will many suppliers. Pensions and health care costs will get a haircut. The government will protect "labor" and forget "capital".

The bright note here, at least we will be able to watch the politics play out on this one and know how things will probably turn out when Medicare goes broke in 10 or 15 years and the entity that buys 40% of the health care (which is 19% of our GDP) in this country suddenly has to make tough decisions.

Let's face it, most of us have heard about "nationalization" but we have never really seen it up close. It probably looks more like recapitalizing balance sheets and passing a few laws. A lot like what is happening right now.

1121 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:36:35am

re: #1115 garycooper
Well lemme ask ya this: we (the taxpayers) have already said OK to giving $25 BILLION to the Big Three to make more energy efficient automobiles. Funny but I always thought it was the role of the mulit-million dollar salaried Executives and Directors of Auto companies to forsee that change in the need for energy effiecient cars. Now they want another $25 BILLION BUCKS just to keep on losing money!
They have proposed NO CHANGES to the way they are doing business on their own, just asked all of us to assist them in losing money.
And yeah, maybe they should make me the Auto-Industry Czar - I sure as hell couldn't do WORSE than they've done and I could use that $20 million+ a year in salary.
AND while we're at it - I mean since I have got an auto industry expert here, lemme ask you: how come workers at Toyota, Honda and the like, all of which are built in the US for sale in the US manage to get by with a NON-UNION labor force that gets, on average, some $30 an hour less wages and benefits than the workers at Ford, GM and Chrysler?

1122 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:39:35am

re: #1116 Iron Fist
Hmm yes and no - actors and all don't get hired based on their political leanings, but more on their box office appeal. Writers, lyricists and music writers, lighting crews, soundstage crews and etc - well they had best be the "right" (or more accurately "left") side of the political aisle if they want to keep on working.

1123 realwest  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:43:27am

re: #1120 jester6
Wow GREAT POST! Well, except for the pensions being cut - those are protected (if vested) by Federal Law and if the Dems try to change THAT law, they'll never win another election anywhere.
But the rest IS true and accurate I'm afraid.

1124 jester6  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:45:24am

re: #1121 realwest

Take a look at the report I posted above. Current labor (except healthcare and jobs banks) costs are not really the problem. It's the legacy costs.

When Wilbur Ross bought up all the bankrupt steel producers a few years ago this was the same problem. I watched it up close her in Cleveland. Some of the mills will only idle for a few weeks as the old companies were liquidated and he bought the assets.

Unfortunately, I read an interview with him the other day and he said bankruptcy is not an option for the big three. His thinking is that as dozens of steel producers went broke over time the industry was able to take take the punishment as a series of little hits. If anyone of the big three collapses it will take so many suppliers with it that no one will be able to move fast enough to buy up the pieces and keep the industry alive. A big three bankruptcy would shut down the cash going to suppliers - many already stretched to the limit - and it be catastrophic.

1125 [deleted]  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:50:12am
1126 jester6  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 9:51:23am

re: #1123 realwest

The pensions are protected by federal law. However, being from Cleveland I know many steel workers who lost their company pensions when the steel producers went broke. Guys that expected to spend their twilight years at the fishing cabin are now bagging groceries.

A few years ago the FPBGC (Federal Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation) pension payment topped out around $2500 per month. Unless the house and cars are paid off that is not going to buy much. And since many of these guys were under 65 they had to pick up a lot of health care costs.

1127 yochanan  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 11:23:55am

re: #1073 midwestgak

they used to sell CDLS and when one of the crupt drivers caused the the deaths of most of a large family the shit hit the fan.


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