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Open | Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:06:38 pm PST

There are several good protections against temptation, but the surest is cowardice.

— Mark Twain

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1 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:50pm

Brains....brrrraaaaaaiiiiinnnnssssss....

2 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:08:53pm

Step by step
Inch by inch
Slowly I turned

3 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:09:43pm

I can resist everything except temptation.

4 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:10:21pm

re: #2 lifeofthemind

NIAGRA FALLS!?!?!

5 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:10:53pm

re: #3 BakaRanger

Give in to temptation, it may never come your way again.

6 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:08pm

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it

    -- Omar Khayyam

7 victor_yugo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:12:32pm

Opportunity knocks but once.

Temptation kicks in the door.

8 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:02pm

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).
- Mark Twain

The Republicans forgot that one

9 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:54pm

Excuse me, I'm looking for the Susquehanna Hat Company.

10 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:13:58pm

New Philadelphia mural honors three fallen police officers. (One of whom was my friend, Chuck Cassidy.)

11 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:14:12pm

re: #6 Opilio

He who writes on shithouse walls
Roll thy shit into little balls;
He who reads these lines of wit
eat those little balls of shit

-- Some bathroom wall at DeVry, 1979

12 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:15:38pm

re: #3 BakaRanger

I can resist everything except temptation.

Attrition: Oscar Wilde

13 DU Jimbo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:15:53pm

Another good protection against temptation is old age. ;(

14 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:16:46pm

re: #12 LeePro

Attrition: Oscar Wilde

Oscar eliminating uncooperative wits?

15 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:26pm

re: #3 BakaRanger

I can resist everything except temptation.

The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.

16 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:49pm

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

17 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:52pm

re: #11 Macker

He who writes on shithouse walls
Roll thy shit into little balls;
He who reads these lines of wit
eat those little balls of shit

-- Some bathroom wall at DeVry, 1979

There once was a girl from Nantuckett, ...

18 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:18:53pm

re: #14 lifeofthemind

Oscar eliminating uncooperative wits?

HA!

19 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:40pm

Hey does anyone out here know anyone at Gateway?
Seriously - I ordered and paid for a Restoration Disk on October 26th. Got a bunch of yada yada e-mails and tonight got directed to the Gateway Forum where I put down all the information again, said Becky employee #xxxxxx had told me on November 7th that the restore disk should be shipped to me via FedEx in the next 2-3 months. I received a reply from the "Forum" from a "Dean" that their records show that FedEx delivered the Restore Disk on November 4th under FedEx tracking #xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
I wrote them back, said I'd never recieved it, who did they send it too and would they please check with FedEx and see who the hell FedEx says they delivered it to.
No response yet.

20 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:41pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

I think it is, but your mileage may differ.

21 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:44pm

re: #15 MandyManners

The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.

Where were you when I was a younger man?

22 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:19:59pm

re: #17 Opilio

THAT'S ENOUGH MR. DATA!

/Picard

23 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:18pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Oh, ick. Some might think it trivializes Daniel Pearl.

24 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:20pm

re: #19 realwest
PIMF two to three business weeks (not months).

25 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:20:32pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Definitely fatwa-worthy to some, but diff'rent strokes . . .

26 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:17pm

re: #23 MandyManners

Oh, ick. Some might think it trivializes Daniel Pearl.

Or Nicholas Berg. Or even that poor, pitiful Englishman. Or any number of others.

27 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:31pm

re: #21 Opilio

Where were you when I was a younger man?

In a van down by the river.

28 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:35pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Email me. I got a better one for ya!

29 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:21:36pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Word

30 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:08pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Um...don't bother knockin'?

/snicker

31 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:36pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Too soon.

32 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:22:52pm

re: #14 lifeofthemind

Oscar eliminating uncooperative wits?

Attribution! ! !

: : : gah! : : :

33 soccerdad  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:23:16pm

re: #29 lifeofthemind

Word

seconded....not what we need here.

Charles.....cleanup on aisle 15

34 Opilio  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:25pm

re: #33 soccerdad

seconded....not what we need here.

Charles.....cleanup on aisle 15

15, 16, whatever it takes...

35 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:31pm

Wow... look at all the newbies!

36 soccerdad  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:34pm

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist

Before bed, I had to (finally), get with the program.
If this avatar is too much, I'll change it, say the word.

Sentiment is OK -- display is not!

37 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #19 realwest

Have you gone to Fedex's site and entered the tracking #?

38 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:24:49pm

re: #35 logboy

Wow... look at all the newbies!

Can't tell them without a scorecard.

39 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:25:43pm

re: #12 LeePro
Hey Lee! Didja get my e-mail?!

40 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:26:03pm

If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
- John Wayne

41 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:36pm

Okay, feedback appreciated, noted, and heeded.

42 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:47pm

re: #40 Desert Dog

If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.
- John Wayne

Charles Colson, I believe.

43 lifeofthemind  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:27:56pm

The voice in the TV is saying go to sleep, and the TV is turned off.

44 Clemente  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:39pm

@Zombie -

Comparing the source between your current and previous post's comment forms, I immediately note a front-slash terminating the body of each input tag in the new form, not present in the old. There may be other differences as well.

Have you tried cutting the old comment form, pasting (to overwrite) on the new comment page, and incrementing the hidden comment post id value from 78 to 79?

Might work...

/am I too late again?

45 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:43pm

re: #43 lifeofthemind

The voice in the TV is saying go to sleep, and the TV is turned off.

"They're heerree!"

46 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:28:58pm

More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
- Woody Allen

47 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:19pm

I just logged on, I have my popcorn, I'm waiting for some blood and gore. Come on lizards where is this evenings controversy.

48 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:22pm

re: #39 realwest

Hey Lee! Didja get my e-mail?!

Yup. Got it.
Doing pretty well. Eating not so great. Apparently dental lab thinks if visibly pretty, then no problem. Forget functionality!

49 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:34pm

re: #42 Moe Katz

I didn't think John Wayne was known for his sayings.....

50 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:37pm

re: #26 Dianna

Or Nicholas Berg. Or even that poor, pitiful Englishman. Or any number of others.

Too many.

51 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:52pm

re: #30 Macker

Um...don't bother knockin'?

/snicker

Chris Farley!

52 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:29:52pm

How's it going Realwest?

53 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:30:49pm

re: #49 Desert Dog

I didn't think John Wayne was known for his sayings.....

I'm Googling it now. It's associated with both of them, but you'd have to classify it as "attribution uncertain."

54 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:31:23pm

re: #50 MandyManners
Are you going to reach 62,000 comments tonight? You are a busy Ms.

55 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:32:58pm

re: #50 MandyManners

Too many.

Far, far too many. One was too many.

Anyway, I wrote well tonight, and it's time for bed.

When this gets published, I'm gonna hate the fan mail.

56 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:33:07pm

re: #46 Desert Dog

More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly.
- Woody Allen

Should we really be looking to Woody Allen for "the wisdom to choose correctly?"

57 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:19pm

re: #56 Wyatt Earp

I do not care for him as a person for many reasons, but I think that is a funny quote. It maybe to close to the reality of the day though....

58 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:50pm

re: #56 Wyatt Earp

Should we really be looking to Woody Allen for "the wisdom to choose correctly?"

Which Woody Allen? The writer, or the man?

I don't attribute to writers either the virtues or the vices of their characters. I sincerely hope no one ever attributes either to me!

59 ggt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:34:57pm

I'm getting tired.

weet dreams all!

60 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:35:54pm

re: #35 logboy

Yeah, it's a real pain when they don't eat their egg shells. The crunching sound when you're walking around is just bloody annoying.

61 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:09pm

re: #59 ggt

I'm getting tired.

weet dreams all!

Hmmm was the 'sweet dreams' or 'wet dreams'?

62 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:21pm

re: #54 Haverwilde

Are you going to reach 62,000 comments tonight? You are a busy Ms.

Now here's a good point. Charles. Which Lizard has the most comments?

/I sure don't!

63 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:36:33pm

re: #19 realwest

Hey does anyone out here know anyone at Gateway?
Seriously - I ordered and paid for a Restoration Disk on October 26th. Got a bunch of yada yada e-mails and tonight got directed to the Gateway Forum where I put down all the information again, said Becky employee #xxxxxx had told me on November 7th that the restore disk should be shipped to me via FedEx in the next 2-3 months. I received a reply from the "Forum" from a "Dean" that their records show that FedEx delivered the Restore Disk on November 4th under FedEx tracking #xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
I wrote them back, said I'd never recieved it, who did they send it too and would they please check with FedEx and see who the hell FedEx says they delivered it to.
No response yet.

Wow, here I was going to lurk for a while before posting, since it's my first night here as a member.

I used to work for FedEx. When you run the tracking code at FedEx where does it say it is?

Also, why are you restoring your Gateway?

64 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:38:22pm

re: #52 logboy
Been better logboy - Effin Gateway has me really pissed off. On Nov 7th they said they'd ship the restoration disk within 2-3 business weeks and now they are telling me that it was delivered on November 4th and gave me a FedEx Tracking number.
I asked how could it be that it was delivered to me on November 4th when a Gateway employee (ID'd by name and "badge number") told me three days AFTER THAT that the restore CD would be delivered by Fed Ex within 2-3 business weeks and they haven't effin' responded!
Shit.
Anyway, I sure hope you're doing well!

65 ggt  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:38:36pm

re: #61 Haverwilde

your pick.

66 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:18pm

re: #63 NoGardtheGreat

Welcome, NoGard!

67 Taqiyyotomist  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:24pm

Goodnight all. Speaking of temptation.
::restrains self from "new comments" button.
the big red, candylike button.

68 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:40pm

re: #58 Dianna

Which Woody Allen? The writer, or the man?

I don't attribute to writers either the virtues or the vices of their characters. I sincerely hope no one ever attributes either to me!

True enough. He is a talented writer trapped inside the body of a troubled man.

69 Haverwilde  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:39:49pm

re: #65 ggt

your pick.


Hmm, I think I'll take both, just for a change.

70 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:04pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

Yeah, it's a real pain when they don't eat their egg shells. The crunching sound when you're walking around is just bloody annoying.

I imagine a few will stick around, a few trolls will get booted, a few conspiricists will get banned for nirth certificate posts, and a few creationists will piss Charles off and get banned as well. But all in all, we'll have a jolly good time getting there. Good times, good times....

71 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:40:34pm

re: #48 LeePro
What? Uh, is your dental lab by any chance run by Gateway (see my #64!)?!

On a more serious note, are they gonna leave it like that or did they say they'd improve the functionality?!

72 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:20pm

re: #49 Desert Dog
What are ya sayin' there, Pligrim?

73 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:21pm

re: #54 Haverwilde

Are you going to reach 62,000 comments tonight? You are a busy Ms.

I had no idea. Wow.

74 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:24pm

re: #64 realwest

I'd just get my money back and buy locally. I'm sorry you're having such a bad time.

75 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:25pm

re: #64 realwest

Been better logboy - Effin Gateway has me really pissed off. On Nov 7th they said they'd ship the restoration disk within 2-3 business weeks and now they are telling me that it was delivered on November 4th and gave me a FedEx Tracking number.
I asked how could it be that it was delivered to me on November 4th when a Gateway employee (ID'd by name and "badge number") told me three days AFTER THAT that the restore CD would be delivered by Fed Ex within 2-3 business weeks and they haven't effin' responded!
Shit.
Anyway, I sure hope you're doing well!


I'm sorry about the computer. I junked my gateways long ago for the same reasons. I still have an ancient one that has windows server 2000 on it, but thats it.

76 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:42:59pm

re: #55 Dianna

Sweet dreams!

77 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:44pm

re: #68 Wyatt Earp

True enough. He is a talented writer trapped inside the body of a troubled man.

Too often, that's true. It's why I tend to avoid knowing too much about writers whose work I like.

Says the woman who's neck deep in Christabel, right now.

78 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:43:48pm

re: #73 MandyManners

I had no idea. Wow.


Mandy's always talking. We can't shut her up! I tried once and she put me in a headlock.

79 Dianna  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #76 MandyManners

Sweet dreams!

I can take a hint!

Goodnight, lizards!

Take good care.

80 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:45:00pm

re: #78 logboy

I would watch it if I were you. She wields an awfully mean clue-by-four.

/it stings a lot.

81 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:46:59pm

re: #74 Dianna
Wish I could but I bought this sucker at Best Buy in Feb of '07 with a 3 year extended home warranty.
Geek squad had a "new" motherboard, new CD/W system and new hard drive delivered. Installed CD, works just fine. Inserted new motherboard - kaput - apparently (according to Geek Squad tech who was doin' all this) Gateway musta reconditioned a motherboard, sealed it up in nice shiny paper and sent it out - but it's broken and can't put in new HD without the Disk that'll restore my OS and drivers.
Shit.

82 victor_yugo  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:47:59pm

re: #78 logboy

Mandy's always talking. We can't shut her up! I tried once and she put me in a headlock.

Hey, if I try to shut her up, will she put me in a headlock, too? Cool!

83 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:05pm

Has everyone completed Christmas shopping?

84 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:18pm

re: #71 realwest

What? Uh, is your dental lab by any chance run by Gateway (see my #64!)?!

On a more serious note, are they gonna leave it like that or did they say they'd improve the functionality?!

HA!

Already re-"tooled" twice. Will keep going back 'til they get it right. Frustrating as hell, but I don't dole out $4,000 for fun and games! ! !

/very pithed off!

85 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:34pm

Well hell, I'm exhausted and am gonna try to go to sleep now, hope you all have a GREAT EVEING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Good night, all.

86 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:44pm

re: #48 LeePro

{LeePro} It's good to see you. I keep missing you on these threads.

87 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:48:58pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Christmas what? I don't do that until at least a week before. Or if I don't have the time off, a week after. :)

88 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:15pm

re: #83 MandyManners

Has everyone completed Christmas shopping?

Ha! You realize most of us here are men, right?

89 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:38pm

re: #10 Wyatt Earp

May he rest in peace.

90 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:49:48pm

Oh, my. Look at the time. Goodnight, Lizards.

91 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:02pm

Not Realwest, I'm not far behind you. My head is pounding out of its skull.

92 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:09pm

re: #84 LeePro

{LeePro}, just borrow Mandy's clue-by-four if they don't get it right next time. That should shape them up pretty darn quick.

93 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:50:23pm

re: #91 logboy

Not Realwest, I'm not far behind you. My head is pounding out of its skull.

Meant to say Night, not "not".

94 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:01pm

Night logboy, keep those logs a rolling.

95 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:26pm

Thought the nirth sirtifikit stuff was fun? Get ready for the fake Selective Service Registration scandal!

/Catchy name to be decided later

96 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:51:56pm

re: #94 BlueCanuck

Night logboy, keep those logs a rolling.

Keep an eye on things here so the newbs don't burn the place down while the rest of us are gone!

97 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:52:23pm

How many here think that Al Franken will "win" Minnesota's senate seat?
Is the fix in like it was in Washington state when it was close and Christine Gregoire "squeaked" by Dino Rossi? If it is stolen what court is going to invalidate it?

98 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:05pm

re: #27 MandyManners

ROFL...
If this van is rockin...

99 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:13pm

re: #89 CalBear84

May he rest in peace.

Thank you. He was a great cop and an even better man.

100 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:53:46pm

re: #66 Macker

Welcome, NoGard!

Thanks! And as I die hard Trekker I have no idea who that is ;-)

101 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:02pm

re: #96 logboy

Of course, it's part of the night shift job. :)

102 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:09pm

re: #95 gmsc

Thought the nirth sirtifikit stuff was fun? Get ready for the fake Selective Service Registration scandal!

/Catchy name to be decided later


I saw that posted here 2 days ago. I thought, do these people EVER give up? What next, a drivers license scandal? "He's not legal to drive! He skipped drivers ed!" Give it a rest people.

103 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:54:24pm

re: #86 Pvt Bin Jammin

{LeePro} It's good to see you. I keep missing you on these threads.

Hey {PBJ}!

Up until last weekend, heavy-duty 8th grade (my handiwork → Class of 1956) reunion planning. HUGE success!

Been lurking, coupla drive-by comments... not staying long tonight either.

:D

104 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:00pm

re: #88 logboy

Ha! You realize most of us here are men, right?

'scuse me?

wait....................




nope... girl here!

105 Wyatt Earp  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:09pm

re: #102 logboy

I saw that posted here 2 days ago. I thought, do these people EVER give up? What next, a drivers license scandal? "He's not legal to drive! He skipped drivers ed!" Give it a rest people.

Agreed. This is getting so out of hand. He won, we lost. Let's move on, please.

106 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:56:26pm

re: #103 LeePro

Heh, "Dinner: 6 PM ----- until they make us leave." :)

liked that bit.

107 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:57:36pm

re: #104 LeePro

He said most, not all. But I think he's just assuming things. With all the gun talk it tends to get confusing.

108 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:58:00pm

re: #92 BlueCanuck

{LeePro}, just borrow Mandy's clue-by-four if they don't get it right next time. That should shape them up pretty darn quick.

{Blue}

Heh!
Got one of my own... and the mouth to operate it with. They've already gotten a preview. They're about to get both barrels! ! !

109 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:25pm

re: #97 BakaRanger

How many here think that Al Franken will "win" Minnesota's senate seat?
Is the fix in like it was in Washington state when it was close and Christine Gregoire "squeaked" by Dino Rossi? If it is stolen what court is going to invalidate it?


The recount hasn't started yet, so don't believe everything you hear. Unless of course you have the ability to predict the future, to which I would reply, with a loud and resounding "screw it all!" before storming out of the room.

110 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 10:59:49pm

re: #95 gmsc

Thought the nirth sirtifikit stuff was fun? Get ready for the fake Selective Service Registration scandal!

/Catchy name to be decided later

Selective selective service.

111 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:00:01pm

re: #104 LeePro

'scuse me?

wait....................


nope... girl here!

I said most.. not all!

112 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:01:49pm

re: #109 logboy

The recount hasn't started yet, so don't believe everything you hear. Unless of course you have the ability to predict the future, to which I would reply, with a loud and resounding "screw it all!" before storming out of the room.

Not a prediction but a repeat of history.

113 realwest  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:01pm

WHOA Hey - anyone got a url for Federal Express?

114 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:18pm

re: #103 LeePro

I've lurked a lot lately too. By the time I see your comments, it's hours later.

Glad your eighth grade reunion turned out great. Good for you!

Our daughter just had her high school twentieth on Saturday night. She had a blast. Said she drove by our house at 4:00 AM. I told her she should have dropped in and woke me up. It would have been like the old days when she still lived at home and would tell me all about what fun she had.

115 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:02:59pm

re: #105 Wyatt Earp

Agreed. This is getting so out of hand. He won, we lost. Let's move on, please.


Just for the fun of it, how long do you think the new SSS scandal will stick around? The other one seems annoyingly persistent.

116 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:04:56pm

re: #99 Wyatt Earp

Whenever I see a law enforcement official at the coffee shop, I pay for his / her beverage. It's a thrill to see how grateful they are to be acknowledged for their service, even in such a small way.

117 BignJames  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:10pm

re: #113 realwest


[Link: fedex.com...]

118 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:05:56pm

re: #116 CalBear84

Whenever I see a law enforcement official at the coffee shop, I pay for his / her beverage. It's a thrill to see how grateful they are to be acknowledged for their service, even in such a small way.

I don't idealize them. Some are good people, some I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley.

119 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:06:35pm

re: #97 BakaRanger

If that ***che nozzle wins a Senate seat I may have to renounce US citizenship.

120 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:07:18pm

re: #97 BakaRanger

How many here think that Al Franken will "win" Minnesota's senate seat?
Is the fix in like it was in Washington state when it was close and Christine Gregoire "squeaked" by Dino Rossi? If it is stolen what court is going to invalidate it?

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

121 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:33pm

re: #100 NoGardtheGreat

Thanks! And as I die hard Trekker I have no idea who that is ;-)

Why, they're the Kreegs from Planet Earth.

122 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:09:49pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Well he's up 100+ votes.
That's practically a landslide.

123 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:18pm

lead me not unto temptation......

i can find it myself. %-)

124 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:21pm

Here in Las Vegas, the annual death of a high school student in a car that was racing with another car came early this school year.

/I wasn't even close
//I had the 2nd week of February in the pool

125 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:32pm

re: #106 BlueCanuck

Heh, "Dinner: 6 PM ----- until they make us leave." :)

liked that bit.

And they made us leave...

...and then they made us leave again when the bar closed!

Heh! What fun it was! Will have pix posted soon.

126 pat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:10:42pm

Drivers License. One of the ways we know Sen Obama was born in Hawaii is because anyone without an out of State drivers license is required to bring in a Birth Certificate to get one. Obama drove here just fine. The State Dept Of Health has already confirmed he was born here. If there is anything about his BC that he does not want someone to see, it is likely inconsequential and an embarrassment in his mind only. Likely something the rest of us could live with without problem. Politicians are sometimes overly concerned about image.

127 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:48pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

Have you been watching this election? The ballots that are mysteriously showing up for frankendouche?
The absentee ballots that were "forgotten" in the trunk of a car and mysteriously found after the election? I'm in Wisconsin, but I can smell the stench from the next state over.

128 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:49pm

re: #124 gmsc

Lost a good friend doing the same thing way back in the day.
Some things never change...

129 BakaRanger  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:11:50pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

I hope that you are right. Up here in WA a lot of people believe that Rossi had it stolen right under his nose. It just looks like the same thing might happen in Minn.

130 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:01pm

re: #123 redc1c4

lead me not unto temptation......

i can find it myself. %-)

Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil.
- Exodus 23:2

Better to lead.

131 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:08pm

Evenin' lizards....did I miss anything?

132 Throbert McGee  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:37pm

re: #13 DU Jimbo

Another good protection against temptation is old age. ;(

"Thank the gods, I am at last free from that cruel and insane master."
-- Sophocles, at age 80, when asked if he still got horny

And the Oscar Wilde quotes on temptation reminded me of:

"When you are as old as I, young man, you will know that there is only one thing in the world worth living for, and that is sin."
-- Lady Jane "Sperenza" Wilde (Oscar's mum), to an interviewer

Clearly the apple didn't fall far from the tree...

133 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:39pm

re: #121 Macker

Why, they're the Kreegs from Planet Earth.

See you said Star Trek fans, not Roddenberry fans. That's cheating ;-)

134 pat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:46pm

re: #120 JustMyView

Minnesota has a history of clean elections. The Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty, has been on TV over the past few days promising a fair recount. Based on what I've been reading, a reversal of Coleman's lead isn't expected, but, if it did occur, there's no reason to assume without evidence that it occurred for nefarious reasons.

Yeah right. 100 votes even from a single county. All discrepancies from 3 counties. The Democratic party has become a criminal enterprise. Wallow, baby.

135 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:12:51pm

re: #127 logboy

Have you been watching this election? The ballots that are mysteriously showing up for frankendouche?
The absentee ballots that were "forgotten" in the trunk of a car and mysteriously found after the election? I'm in Wisconsin, but I can smell the stench from the next state over.

Pawlenty was on TV this evening saying the "ballots found in the trunk of a car" story was false.

136 logboy  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:13:25pm

Ok, I really have to go to bed. My head is going to explode. Night all.

137 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:36pm

re: #135 JustMyView


Where were they? The backseat?

138 Macker  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:14:59pm

re: #133 NoGardtheGreat

Actually, no. look closely at their cranium. The Kreegs served as a model for the modern Klingons....

139 Silvergirl  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:15:48pm

Two Fort Wainwright soldiers based in Fairbanks, AK killed

Gov Palin offered condolences

They were from Tennessee and Nevada.

140 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:06pm

re: #139 Silvergirl

Those friggin helos are dangerous.
Don't think I'd get in one unless I had to.

141 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:31pm

re: #135 JustMyView

Pawlenty was on TV this evening saying the "ballots found in the trunk of a car" story was false.

Oh, good.

Everyone knows they were in the freezer.

142 Nightwatch  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:17:59pm

Just up from a book
Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" funny how the "Fictitious" take down of the financial markets seems to have a very parallel theme to what is occurring at this very point in time. But none of what is happening now was intentional no, no just greedy guys with mistresses (or life partners) and no morals right?.......Sure, and I'm the most REV. Wright's altar boy...

Nighty......night

143 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:19:55pm

re: #128 CalBear84

Lost a good friend doing the same thing way back in the day.
Some things never change...

Here's the story on the teen herself. The car she was in was racing with a teenager in another car. The driver of this other car had numerous complaints against him, but he always got off with minor fines and punishments because his father is a judge. The father/judge says his son will pay the full price for this one, but neighbors are skeptical with good reason.

Back in the '90s, when this first started happening, there was activity to get all sorts of laws, regulations and other means to stop it. After a few years of trying to stop it, everyone has basically given up on trying to prevent it. Now, we just wait to hear who the unfortunate victim is this year, and then move on.

On my street alone, which is just down from a bridge that goes down into a blind curve, I can point to 4 different memorials, all of which have happened since 2002!

144 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:20:03pm

re: #122 CalBear84

Well he's up 100+ votes.
That's practically a landslide.

Actually, Coleman is currently up by 217 votes, so, yes, it's very close. Essentially a chance result. The Star-Tribune has several stories re the recount on its homepage, including one describing a decision re the counting of absentee ballots that went against Franken.

145 Dustyvet  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:20:50pm

re: #2 lifeofthemind

Step by step
Inch by inch
Slowly I turned

Youtube Video

146 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:22:33pm

re: #143 gmsc

Same thing was happening in San Diego.
But major police crackdowns have made a difference. I hope they get it together in LV.

147 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:24:54pm

re: #144 JustMyView

Man I hope this guy doesn't win.
Something "end of days" about it...

148 NoGardtheGreat  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:24:58pm

re: #138 Macker

Actually, no. look closely at their cranium. The Kreegs served as a model for the modern Klingons....

"I see", said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw...

Also notice you are not too keen on the new Trek movie either. If they really wanted to reboot Trek they would have gotten Donald P. Bellisario to do it. He's the only one, that I know of, that can do the murder of the week, but make you watch to see how the cast interacts. (NCIS, JAG, Quantum Leap, Magnum, P.I., to name a few of his).

149 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:27:37pm

For those who haven't seen it before: 60 Second Refutation of Socialism, While Sitting at the Beach

Last week, there were several comments in Carnival of the Capitalists that people would like to see more articles highlighting the benefits of capitalism. This got me thinking about a conversation I had years ago at the beach:

Hanging out at the beach one day with a distant family member, we got into a discussion about capitalism and socialism. In particular, we were arguing about whether brute labor, as socialism teaches, is the source of all wealth (which, socialism further argues, is in turn stolen by the capitalist masters). The young woman, as were most people her age, was taught mainly by the socialists who dominate college academia nowadays. I was trying to find a way to connect with her, to get her to question her assumptions, but was struggling because she really had not been taught many of the fundamental building blocks of either philosophy or economics, but rather a mish-mash of politically correct points of view that seem to substitute nowadays for both.

One of the reasons I took up writing a blog is that I have never been as snappy or witty in real-time discussions as I would like to be, and I generally think of the perfect comeback or argument minutes or hours too late. I have always done better with writing, where I have time to think. However, on this day, I had inspiration from a half-remembered story I had heard before. I am sure I stole the following argument from someone, but to this day I still can't remember from whom.

I picked up a handful of sand, and said "this is almost pure silicon, virtually identical to what powers a computer. Take as much labor as you want, and build me a computer with it -- the only limitation is you can only have true manual laborers - no engineers or managers or other capitalist lackeys".

Yeah, I know what you're thinking - beach sand is not pure silicon - it is actually silicon dioxide, SiO2, but if she didn't take any economics she certainly didn't take any chemistry or geology.

She replied that my request was BS, that it took a lot of money to build an electronics plant, and her group of laborers didn't have any and bankers would never lend them any.

All too many defenders of capitalism would have stopped here, and said aha! So you admit you need more than labor - you need capital too. But Marx would not have disagreed - he would have said it was the separation of labor and capital that was bad - only when laborers owned the capital, rather than being slaves to the ruling class that now controls the capital, would the world reach nirvana. So I offered her just that:

I told her - assume for our discussion that I have tons of money, and I will give you and your laborers as much as you need. The only restriction I put on it is that you may only buy raw materials - steel, land, silicon - in their crudest forms. It is up to you to assemble these raw materials, with your laborers, to build the factory and make me my computer.

She thought for a few seconds, and responded "but I can't - I don't know how. I need someone to tell me how to do it"

And that is the heart of socialism's failure. For the true source of wealth is not brute labor, or even what you might call brute capital, but the mind. The mind creates new technologies, new products, new business models, new productivity enhancements, in short, everything that creates wealth. Labor or capital without a mind behind it is useless.

Read the whole thing.

150 JustMyView  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:27:46pm

re: #147 CalBear84

Man I hope this guy doesn't win.
Something "end of days" about it...

Oh, I kind of doubt that. Think of how many people have served in the Senate over the life of the Republic. We've survived them all.

151 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:35:09pm

re: #149 gmsc

Coyote blog on my favorites list now, thanks to you gmsc.
I emailed this to a liberal friend of mine:
Progressives too conservative to like capitalism
He was not amused...

152 CalBear84  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:36:21pm

re: #150 JustMyView

Thanks for the encouraging words.
On that note, goodnite all.

153 LeePro  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:41:21pm

: : : headache : : :



    : : : sleepy : : :




        : : : keyboard does not a soft pillow make : : :




...and with that (and the most recent BAD NEWS), good lizards, I bid you all goodnight!

154 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:41:34pm

re: #151 CalBear84

Coyote blog on my favorites list now, thanks to you gmsc.
I emailed this to a liberal friend of mine:
Progressives too conservative to like capitalism
He was not amused...

I don't doubt he wasn't amused. He probably didn't take kindly to see his views stated so accurately.

155 gmsc  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:41:48pm

re: #153 LeePro

: : : headache : : :



    : : : sleepy : : :




        : : : keyboard does not a soft pillow make : : :




...and with that (and the most recent BAD NEWS), good lizards, I bid you all goodnight!

Good night!

156 BlueCanuck  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:42:34pm

re: #153 LeePro

Night {LeePro}, weet dreams.

/If you were having a headache, it's because of the keyboard. ;)

157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:43:10pm

re: #150 JustMyView

Oh, I kind of doubt that. Think of how many people have served in the Senate over the life of the Republic. We've survived them all.

Of course, we've never had a Marxist as POTUS...

158 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:44:08pm

re: #157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, we've never had a Marxist as POTUS...

And likely never will.

159 redc1c4  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:48:56pm

re: #158 Moe Katz

And likely never will.

true, but 2 Carters in one lifetime is too many.

(hell, even 1 was. %-)

160 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:51:11pm

re: #159 redc1c4

And we already gave away the Panama Canal.

161 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:52:12pm

re: #159 redc1c4

true, but 2 Carters in one lifetime is too many.

(hell, even 1 was. %-)

Not so sure. I'm reserving judgment on that one.

Did you know that Bush 41 created the no-fly zone, and Clinton created the open-fly zone?

162 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:52:44pm

re: #158 Moe Katz

And likely never will.

Have you read Obama's books?

163 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:54:51pm

re: #162 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Have you read Obama's books?

Nope. But he's in a different culture now, not the radical academia he came from. Look at his appointments - he's sending signals that he'll govern as a mainstream Dem.

164 Syrah  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:56:12pm

re: #159 redc1c4

true, but 2 Carters in one lifetime is too many.

(hell, even 1 was. %-)

Obama differs significantly from Carter in that Obama talks in the sunshine tones and summer rhythms of an optimist. Carter's words were all winter cardigan sweaters and foggy malaise.

Obama is a far more seductive leader. People will hear in his words what they want to hear. Carter was never that charismatic.

165 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:56:21pm

re: #163 Moe Katz

Nope. But he's in a different culture now, not the radical academia he came from. Look at his appointments - he's sending signals that he'll govern as a mainstream Dem.

Right, a Marxist.

166 Moe Katz  Mon, Nov 17, 2008 11:57:26pm

re: #165 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Right, a Marxist.

Hmm, if you're serious about that we can't really talk to one another on this subject.

167 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:00:12am

DUMB GROWTH: TRADING SUSTAINABLE WATER FOR THE FOOLS GOLD OF GLOBAL WARMING (Part 1 of 2)

Economist Tom Sowell once aptly wrote that "there are no solutions; there are only tradeoffs." This can be no better seen than in the recent enactment of California Senate Bill 375 which will unknowingly trade precious groundwater resources for "Smart Growth" anti-urban sprawl policies. Under this legislation water will no longer be gold in California; ethereal concepts about reducing "global warming" and producing "green power" will be California's new fools gold. It is little wonder that California is experiencing a "perfect drought" with the adoption of such policies.

SB 375 is a piece of legislation which requires regional planning agencies to put into place "sustainable" growth plans. It will require the California Air Resources Board to double the targeted reductions in greenhouse gas emissions that local governments must meet in its land use plans. More specifically, it will require that new housing development be shifted from the urban fringe, where groundwater resources are more abundant (San Bernardino County, Morgan Hill), to highly dense urban areas near public transit and light rail lines (Pasadena, East Bay) where local water sources are patchy and often polluted. The environmental intent of SB 375 is to reduce auto commuter trips, air pollution, and gasoline consumption.

However, the legislation will unintentionally result in more reliance on imported water supplies from the Sacramento Delta, Mono Lake , and the Colorado River for thirsty cities along California's coastline instead of diverting development to inland areas which have more "sustainable" groundwater resources.

This can be clearly seen by viewing the California Department of Water Resources map of Groundwater Basins in California shown at this web link. As can easily be seen on the map, the populous coastal areas of the state have spotty groundwater resources while the inland areas have the most abundant water basins to sustain new development.

For example, the City of San Bernardino in the "Inland Empire" of Southern California has such abundant groundwater resources that it has long-range plans to draw down its high groundwater table to reduce the potential for liquefaction (ground failure) in the event of an earthquake, construct lakeside developments, and sell the surplus water.

Even if we ignore for the moment that diverting housing development to urban areas will increase reliance on imported water from the environmentally sensitive Sacramento Delta, the policy makes no sense from even a global warming perspective. Look at the drawing at the link provided below which depicts the geographic profile of the "Urban Heat Island Effect."

Urban Heat Island Profile Sketch

168 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:00:42am

DUMB GROWTH: TRADING SUSTAINABLE WATER FOR THE FOOLS GOLD OF GLOBAL WARMING (Part 2 of 2)

Concentrating housing development in already highly dense urban areas will only worsen the urban heat island effect and thus increase "global warming." The obvious solution from the greenhouse effect resulting from pollution is housing dispersion, not concentration.

Moreover, by virtue of shifting to reliance on imported water supplies California will need to generate more electricity to pump that water to urban centers located far from the sources of water. No doubt that electricity will also come from imported energy sources outside the state. Green power (solar, wind) cannot be used to pump water because it is too unreliable due to the unpredictability of the weather. Thus, SB 375 undercuts California 's Global Warming Solutions Act ("Green Power Law - Assembly Bill 32).

Fortunately, the new law doesn't yet mandate local governments to comply with the plans. No real changes are expected until regional planning agencies adopt the "sustainable communities" growth policies called for in the law three years from now. However, if cities choose not to comply, then state transportation tax funds can conceivably be diverted to compliant cities. That SB 375 is a license for greedy coastal cities in Democratic strongholds along the coast to capture the taxes of inland cities in Republican territory is never mentioned in the media. Environmentalism serves as a cover for politics by other means.

Laws like SB 375 continue dependence on costly imported wholesale water, say at $500 per acre foot (a football field of water one foot high which sustains two families per year) compared to cheap local groundwater at roughly $50 per acre foot.

That this piece of legislation was passed by "Green Governor" Arnold Schwarzenegger without dissent by local water agencies and even air quality resource boards, is indicative of how environmental policy often defies science and common sense and is based on powerful cultural images spawned by government and unquestioned by the media. Incredibly, the implementation of SB 375 will even be granted certain breaks for transit oriented development under the California Environmental Quality Act.

California is shifting from valuing water as gold to a Fool's Gold Rush to reduce global warming and generate green power. Unfortunately, the public has already bought the fake for the real gold thanks mostly to the media. Paraphrasing a Latin proverb, "(political) hay is more acceptable to a donkey than gold."

169 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:02:23am

Again, did you read his books? Listen to what he has said while running for POTUS and in the past?

170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:03:45am

re: #166 Moe Katz

Hmm, if you're serious about that we can't really talk to one another on this subject.

Connect the dots.

171 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:05:32am

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Connect the dots.

Calm down!

I think Obama is like a piece of tofu - no backbone, no flavor of his own, takes on the taste of his surroundings.

172 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:06:22am

He's more liberal than Bernie Sanders, who is a self described socialist.

173 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:07:27am

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Connect the dots.

Didja see this? Woman knowingly lost $400,000 to Nigerian scammers.

174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:07:35am

re: #171 Moe Katz

Calm down!

I think Obama is like a piece of tofu - no backbone, no flavor of his own, takes on the taste of his surroundings.

I'm very calm. I have proof- My dog is still sleeping.

175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:08:30am

re: #173 Moe Katz

Didja see this? Woman knowingly lost $400,000 to Nigerian scammers.

Pelosi and Reid will bail her out.

176 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #172 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's more liberal than Bernie Sanders, who is a self described socialist.

We'll just have to watch and see what he does. He doesn't look like a wild-eyed radical to me so far.

177 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:10:01am

re: #175 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Pelosi and Reid will bail her out.

LOL! The woman KNEW what she was getting into, but had no resistance. Incredible.

178 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:10:40am

He's not POTUS yet.

179 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:10:45am

re: #174 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm very calm. I have proof- My dog is still sleeping.

Some dogs are sound sleepers.

180 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:11:11am

re: #173 Moe Katz

Didja see this? Woman knowingly lost $400,000 to Nigerian scammers.

No, the woman didn't lose a cent. Her husband, however, whose retirement account was the source of the money, did lose $400,000.

181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:11:40am

re: #177 Moe Katz

LOL! The woman KNEW what she was getting into, but had no resistance. Incredible.

Fiskie nominee?

182 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:11:43am

re: #178 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's not POTUS yet.

No, but he's taking over at a delicate time with the economy and I don't think he'll do anything too wild in terms of taxation.

183 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:12:16am

re: #180 gmsc

No, the woman didn't lose a cent. Her husband, however, whose retirement account was the source of the money, did lose $400,000.

True. I wonder how that will affect the marriage.

184 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:12:39am

re: #181 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Fiskie nominee?

It's positively sick.

185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:14:00am

re: #179 Moe Katz

Some dogs are sound sleepers.

My dog is laying asleep right under my chair as Aerosmith is cranked up LOUD. /In my headphones.

186 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:15:06am

re: #185 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My dog is laying asleep right under my chair as Aerosmith is cranked up LOUD. /In my headphones.

What kind of a dog have you got?

187 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:15:06am

re: #182 Moe Katz

No, but he's taking over at a delicate time with the economy and I don't think he'll do anything too wild in terms of taxation.

Right- That will restrain him, for now.

188 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:16:32am

re: #187 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Right- That will restrain him, for now.

If not for his entire first term.
/Not implying there'll be a second one necessarily.

189 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:16:53am

re: #186 Moe Katz

What kind of a dog have you got?

4 yr old Scottish terrier.

190 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:17:10am

re: #183 Moe Katz

True. I wonder how that will affect the marriage.

If they divorce, I'd say the husband has a great argument against paying any alimony.

The head of the Nigerian government was also recently quoted as saying that the victims should be punished for their greed.

191 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:17:27am

re: #189 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

4 yr old Scottish terrier.

What sex, color?

192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:17:53am

re: #189 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

4 yr old Scottish terrier.

He chases flies. It's the funniest damn thing to watch!

193 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:18:29am

re: #190 gmsc


The head of the Nigerian government was also recently quoted as saying that the victims should be punished for their greed.

Now that makes a whole lot of sense.

194 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:20:02am

re: #192 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He chases flies. It's the funniest damn thing to watch!

They're nice dogs. Don't currently have a dog, but I pet every friendly one I meet. Really miss having one.

195 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:21:22am

re: #191 Moe Katz

What sex, color?

He's a male, black hair, named Lilbit. My ex named him. When we split up she kept our Bishon Frise, and I got the cool dog.

196 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:24:10am

re: #195 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I like small dogs but worry about them getting attacked outdoors.

197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:28:06am

re: #196 Moe Katz

I like small dogs but worry about them getting attacked outdoors.

He weighs about 25 pounds. And the only time he goes outside, other than when I take him for a walk is to poop/pee, and my yard is fenced, and we've never had a problem here with coyotes or animals that attack small animals.

198 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:34:01am

re: #162 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Have you read Obama's books?

why? he didn't write them.....

199 Moe Katz  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:34:20am

re: #197 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He weighs about 25 pounds. And the only time he goes outside, other than when I take him for a walk is to poop/pee, and my yard is fenced, and we've never had a problem here with coyotes or animals that attack small animals.

Yeah, the danger is big parks and conservation areas where there can be large, aggressive dogs. Or pit bulls, which I don't consider to be dogs.

My last dog got commandeered by my late mother. She (the dog, that is) was a little chihuahua-terrier cross, about 15 lbs and a great lap dog. My Mom babysat the dog a bit and the two fell in love, so I let her keep the pup.

I'm falling asleep. We'll just have to wait and see with Obama - I'm also concerned as a Canadian because of protectionist noises he was making during the primaries.

'Night, OMD and whoever else is conscious out there.

200 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:36:24am

re: #198 redc1c4

why? he didn't write them.....

LOL!

201 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:37:13am

re: #199 Moe Katz

Yeah, the danger is big parks and conservation areas where there can be large, aggressive dogs. Or pit bulls, which I don't consider to be dogs.

My last dog got commandeered by my late mother. She (the dog, that is) was a little chihuahua-terrier cross, about 15 lbs and a great lap dog. My Mom babysat the dog a bit and the two fell in love, so I let her keep the pup.

I'm falling asleep. We'll just have to wait and see with Obama - I'm also concerned as a Canadian because of protectionist noises he was making during the primaries.

'Night, OMD and whoever else is conscious out there.

CYA Moe!

202 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:40:28am

i'm gonna wander over to the sooper sekrit fruitcup fridge i know nothing about, and do a little fixin.

then i'm off to bed: the Benadryl just kicked in......

hasta y'all.

L8r!

203 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:40:46am

re: #139 Silvergirl

So sad.

My oldest son's first duty station was Fort Wainwright (from 02 - 06) with a little detour of about 16 months in Iraq. Check out my Icon.

204 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:42:34am

Night Moe, red. Take care, the both of you.

205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:43:51am

Mickey Mouse is 80 years old today!

206 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:44:34am

almost forgot......

/shoves case of smoke grenades over to OMD

here ya go, in case things get wild later.... Blue should have his own.

207 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:50:12am

re: #205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mickey Mouse is 80 years old today!

While Disney certainly celebrates Mickey's birthday as November 18, 1928, because it's the release date of Steamboat Willie, it's not the first time Mickey appeared on screen. He was also in Plane Crazy, which was released on May 15, 1928. Steamboat Willie was the first sound cartoon, which is why it's considered more significant.

208 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:51:47am

re: #206 redc1c4

almost forgot......

/shoves case of smoke grenades over to OMD

here ya go, in case things get wild later.... Blue should have his own.

But of course. I *ahem* recquisitoned a bunch awhile ago.

/white smoke.

209 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:53:18am

re: #205 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mickey Mouse is 80 years old today!

...and he only has to deal with one grey hare!
;)

210 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 12:56:18am

re: #209 gmsc

...and he only has to deal with one grey hare!
;)

and don't we all wish that's all we'd have to deal with

211 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:04:04am

re: #210 jakes_stryker

and don't we all wish that's all we'd have to deal with

I'd prefer not to have to deal with Bugs Bunny, especially in rabbit season.

/Duck Season!
/Rabbit Season!

212 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:07:19am

re: #211 gmsc

I'd prefer not to have to deal with Bugs Bunny, especially in rabbit season.

/Duck Season!
/Rabbit Season!

Awesome! Haven't seen that cartoon in a long time. I wish Cartoon Network showed the classics. Instead, we get stuck with absolute garbage.

213 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:09:06am

re: #211 gmsc

I'd prefer not to have to deal with Bugs Bunny, especially in rabbit season.

/Duck Season!
/Rabbit Season!

pretty annoying "wabbit"

214 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:10:40am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

We used to get them on one of our regular channels. I stopped watching them though a long time ago. About ten years ago, just when all the cartoon channels came on, I watched one episode of Loony Toons and changed the channel. They had CUT one of the funniest scenes from the cartoon. I remember the scene too. I guess it was cut because it was too violent. *spit*

215 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:12:48am

I just happen to have two young men (my sons) in the Army that are giving me gray hair (grey hare). lol

216 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:13:12am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

Awesome! Haven't seen that cartoon in a long time. I wish Cartoon Network showed the classics. Instead, we get stuck with absolute garbage.

I've found that, if you can just remember a few classic lines from a cartoon you otherwise can't remember, usually a quick google search to find the cartoon's name helps. Plus, once you have the cartoon's name, a google video search will usually locate the cartoon itself somewhere online.

217 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:16:15am

BTW, Can anyone name the only feature in which Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse appear on screen together?

218 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:18:03am

Yep. Those cartoons are everywhere online, but it's often not the same as flipping through and catching them on TV.

A lot of the old cartoons are heavily edited too, probably because so many of them were ridiculously politically incorrect.

**sigh**

219 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:19:22am

re: #217 gmsc

BTW, Can anyone name the only feature in which Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse appear on screen together?

"Roger Rabbit"

220 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:19:38am

re: #217 gmsc

"Who Framed Roger Rabbit"

221 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:19:52am

Er, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

222 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:20:19am

re: #218 TheMatrix31

Yep. Those cartoons are everywhere online, but it's often not the same as flipping through and catching them on TV.

A lot of the old cartoons are heavily edited too, probably because so many of them were ridiculously politically incorrect.

**sigh**

In my experience, it's just the opposite. I can find clips of "Song of the South" with a little searching, for example, and that's far from politically correct.

223 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:21:01am

re: #219 victor_yugo

"Roger Rabbit"

re: #220 BlueCanuck

"Who Framed Roger Rabbit"

re: #221 victor_yugo

Er, "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

Yep! That's right!

224 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:23:33am

re: #223 gmsc

Here's one for you. Which cast of characters didn't appear in the movie?

225 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:25:09am

re: #222 gmsc

In my experience, it's just the opposite. I can find clips of "Song of the South" with a little searching, for example, and that's far from politically correct.

I meant the versions shown on TV...

226 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:30:33am

hmmmmm, 4:30am seems to have gotten here without me noticing it, but I'll sure be sorry when it's time to get up.

227 jakes_stryker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:32:03am

Have a good night/morning, all

228 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:32:43am

Night jakes, weet dreams.

229 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:33:25am

I'm still quite taken with The Venture Brothers on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block of programming, but the rest of the programs on there are mostly crap- gratuitous military/Christian/Conservative/flyover-state bashing that's supposed to be 'edgy', I guess...

230 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:37:04am

re: #224 BlueCanuck

Here's one for you. Which cast of characters didn't appear in the movie?

Popeye, Olive Oyl, Bluto, Little Lulu, and Casper the Friendly Ghost.

231 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:38:08am

re: #230 victor_yugo

Oh, and Felix the Cat and Tom & Jerry.

232 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:39:29am

BTW, Blue- thanks for linking to that Scotiabank page the other day, that was pretty useful (although I still have a few questions for them, but that's what 800 numbers are for).

233 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:39:32am

re: #230 victor_yugo

Hmmm, points. I don't think Little Lulu was animated at the time, I am unsure about Casper being animated as well. But the cast from Little Thumb Theater(?) were blocked due to copyright arguments from the holders of the franchise.

/I think that was the name of the cartoons for Popeye.

234 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:40:01am

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

No problem at all. I find things. ;)

235 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:41:46am

re: #234 BlueCanuck


Heh...I'm toying around with hiring on with one of the Canadian railways. Between the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific, you'd be surprised how much trackage they have in the USA.

236 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:43:44am

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I do know that CN owned some lines and companies in New England area. Used to see CV cars here in Toronto all the time.

237 victor_yugo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:47:37am

re: #233 BlueCanuck

They're all named on the WFRR trivia page at IMDB.

238 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:57:15am

I'm not bad, I just type that way.

239 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:57:50am

re: #237 victor_yugo

Thank you very much for that link. I know have a whole bunch of useless facts stored up for my next trivia game. :)

240 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:58:13am

re: #238 Sharmuta

LOL, you are the best of us Sharm.

241 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:58:46am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Interestingly, they seem to be everywhere but Vermont, these days.

Besides being the last 'true' transcontinental, Canadian National snapped up the Wisconsin Central (which itself absorbed several smaller midwestern railways in the mid 1990s), British Columbia Railway, Duluth Missabe and Iron Range and Illinois Central in the last 10 years....and they're pressing hard to acquire the Elgin, Joliet and Eastern to help them bypass the Chicago-area bottleneck.

I think some Wisconsin Central crewman posted "I for one welcome our Canadian overlords" in an online forum...

242 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 1:59:28am

re: #240 BlueCanuck

I'm just the Fruitcup™ ding patrol.

243 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:00:02am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------->
Help yourselves!

244 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:00:09am

Fruitcup comin' round the bend.

245 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:00:42am

Good morning, littleoldlady!

246 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:02:20am

re: #243 littleoldlady

Good morning, lol. Just stopping in for some fruitcup and ding pimping.

247 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:02:35am

Good morning, ALL!

248 TheMatrix31  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:04:47am

Good morning! Sinus headache here in LA.

249 gmsc  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:04:48am

BTW, littleoldlady, Sharmuta has forgiven me for being mean to her. We made up.

250 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:06:10am

re: #249 gmsc

Sharmuta is an extraordinarily generous person!

/what did you do, anyway?

251 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:08:19am

Good morning littleoldlady. Thanks for the fruitcup.

/sorry I am late dinging and responsing. got called from the desk.

252 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:08:23am

re: #250 littleoldlady

Aww- you are sweet.

gmsc asked a rude question about.... about... SMURF CHOKING!

253 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:08:52am

re: #252 Sharmuta

[gasp!]

254 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:11:27am

Morning Lizards from a wet Durban S.Sfrica. Is there any fruit cup left? Does anyone know if Rustler managed to get registered?

255 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:11:40am

re: #253 littleoldlady

I know.... I forgive gmsc, but it still hard to think about after all the raids on Smurf village I survived.....

256 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:12:05am

You folks are just too good to me!

/I am not worthy...

257 akak  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:12:19am

Did you see the Royal Canadian Mounted Police questionaire in the news yesterday?

"Have you ever been involved in beastiality?"

/hence the Mounted part I guess
//some kinda entrance exam

258 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:13:18am

Hard to picture a sharmuta (small S) in the Smurf Village...but okay.

;-)

/cartoons sometimes DO go over my head!

259 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:13:46am

re: #257 akak

Bad, bad, baaaaad boy.

260 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:14:13am

re: #258 littleoldlady

So you aren't three apples high?

261 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:15:06am

Aaarrrgghhh I fell sound asleep while taking a "nap" and left the spaghetti and sauce out all night ... I hate it when that happens.

262 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:15:56am

re: #260 BlueCanuck

TWO!

/and yes I AM standing UP!

263 Sharmuta  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:16:13am

re: #258 littleoldlady

Well- I was the only girl.....

264 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:19:41am

re: #263 Sharmuta

Well- I was the only girl.....

Me too!

/full circle... :-)

265 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:28:39am

I'm sorry I killed the thread...

OH!

266 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:30:30am

re: #265 littleoldlady

I'm sorry I killed the thread...

OH!

Was either you are me lol. Any reply to my #254. Oh and good morning.

267 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:32:15am

Erik! :-)

Plenty of fruitcup, and it looks as though there were TWO (!?) open registrations yesterday.

/I don't remember ever seeing TWO in one day...

268 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:33:02am

re: #267 littleoldlady

Any idea if Ranchers son got in?

269 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:34:02am

re: #268 Erik The Red

Did Charles post a list of new nics?

270 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:35:52am

re: #268 Erik The Red
No clue. Haven't seen Rancher or Rustler all night.
re: #269 littleoldlady
Nope, would be nice if he did sometimes.

271 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:36:34am

re: #270 BlueCanuck

He does, sometimes.

272 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:39:20am

Looks like the market's aren't done voting for Obummer with today's futures looking for another dismal opening and day:

DJI off -224 pts
S&P 500 off -24 pts
Compx off -35 pts

Mornin erik, sharm, lol, fenway, blue...all.

273 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:40:47am

re: #272 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Morning aboo. Chinese market closed up. Currently the FTSE is down by almost 2%. Still looking for an underpass?

274 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:42:00am

Search for "rustler" results in...NO RUSTLER.

:-(

'Morning, aboo! :-)

275 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:44:51am

re: #274 littleoldlady

Well if he hasn't made any posts it wouldn't show up I think. Probably find out later.

276 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:50:17am

re: #273 BlueCanuck

Nupe, no underpasses won't cut-it any longer I'm afraid(LoL take special note). Time to up-grade to nuclear hardened shelters.

277 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:52:28am

re: #276 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I've started a collection of selected cans of tuna.

/someone remind me to buy a new can opener...

278 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:54:35am

re: #277 littleoldlady

Buy a new manual can opener. ;)

/go old army

279 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 2:55:55am

re: #278 BlueCanuck

That's the ONLY kind!

/no electricity in the bunker...

280 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:00:53am

re: #277 littleoldlady

I've started a collection of selected cans of tuna.

/someone remind me to buy a new can opener...

You might consider a selection of varying...uh...types of can opener's: Assault Weapons Ban Introduced...by Five R.I.N.O.s

Anyone ready to pack their pitchforks and head for DC?

281 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:08:22am

Don't bring a pitchfork to a gun battle.

282 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:13:55am

Subjected to more than a century of propaganda masquerading as news, Russians often seem to live in a different reality from the rest of us - coming from the Brit's the statement is more than a bit ironic, at the very least.

However, it looks like US media will shortly surpass Russia's in terms of bias and pure output of propaganda - if they haven't already.

283 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:19:37am

re: #282 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

The plus side for the U.S. is that there are a lot more outlets for news to be spread around then just the MSM. Besides, not all the MSM is in the tank for Obama.

284 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:20:33am

Morning all. Chilly 34 here in the DC 'burbs but none of that white crud.

285 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:21:41am

"White Crud" ! LOL!

{My Rove!}

286 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:22:30am

Morning Jim. Well we are at about 24 here up north. No snow yet but it's in the forecast.

/I want my global warming back.

287 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:22:51am

re: #281 littleoldlady

Don't bring a pitchfork to a gun battle.

Good morning, littleoldlady and Lizards in toto.

Well, they're starting early, aren't they? I especially like the bit about calling it the "Recreational Firearms Protection Act." In the end, of course, our "recreational firearms" will be "protected" by being locked up in a vault at the local (government-run) shooting range, where we may visit them on weekends- under close supervision, naturally.

(And while on a government "watch list" for ever having owned them to begin with, of course.)

I expect Orwellian NewSpeak to reach epic levels during the new regime'- and not all of it will emanate from the Lightworker and his chosen minions. A good bit will come from those on the other side of the aisle who are trying to suck up to TEO.

Oh, and if you're looking for a good manual can opener, I'd recommend the military-type P-51 over the smaller, and harder to manipulate, P-38. I've found it is easier to deal with due to my arthritis. I have several of both, however. One of each hangs next to my sharpening steel over my knife rack on my kitchen counter, and the rest are stashed in my various pocket emergency kits, my bug-out bag, etc.

/I'm not a "survivalist"- just careful.

cheers

eon

288 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:24:31am

Blue Canuck: Cartoons? Remember Jonny Quest?

289 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:24:59am

{littleoldlady}

290 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:25:11am

eon! :-)

Gee. I was just going to get a couple at the Dollar Store.

/not a "survivalist" either - just poor.

291 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:25:22am

re: #288 Jim in Virginia

I remember watching bits and pieces of it. But I wasn't really a fan.

292 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:28:45am

re: #288 Jim in Virginia

Blue Canuck: Cartoons? Remember Jonny Quest?

The guy with his dad, Ace Bannon, his friend Hadji, and his dog Bandit?

Nope, don't recall him.

293 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:29:02am

Good morning, Lizards!
{Jim in Virginia}
{BlueCanuck}
{littleoldlady}
{eon}

294 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:30:03am

Good morning {goddess}, how's your little patch of global warming today?

295 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:30:38am

goddess! :-)

296 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:31:13am

re: #294 BlueCanuck

Good morning {goddess}, how's your little patch of global warming today?

Pretty cold, in fact! Lots of snow showers.

297 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:31:43am

Keys that jingle in your pocket
Words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that I said?
Lovers walk along a shore
And leave their footprints in the sand
Was the sound of distant drumming
Just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway
Or the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces
But to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over
Were you suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the colour of her hair?

Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
As the images unwind
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

298 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:36:44am

re: #290 littleoldlady

eon! :-)

Gee. I was just going to get a couple at the Dollar Store.

/not a "survivalist" either - just poor.

I know that feeling. Fortunately, the difference between a P-38 and P-51 at my local surplus store is the difference between twenty-five cents and thirty-five cents. In spite of the '51 being about two and a half times bigger in terms of "thumb area" than the '38. I rate it a "best buy".

I gave up on electric can openers after my last one blew its motor trying to open a can of Manwich. As for the crank or key-turned jobs, I have three, none of which will open a paper envelope, let alone a can. And the opener on my Swiss Army knife is mainly good for making a semi-permanent groove in my thumb. The P-51 wins by default- it's cheap, sturdy, reliable, and actually easy to use.

The '38 and '51 were actually first developed by a canned food company here in OH back in the 1920s, to be included in a flat of canned goods as a sales gimmick. They worked so well the Army adopted them in 1939, and they remained standard for the U. S. Armed Forces until the 1980s. They are still used by soldiers today (who get them at the modern equivalent of the PX, whatever it's called) because not only can they open cans, they make fast work of opening MRE packages, too. Not to mention driving screws, cleaning under your nails, etc.

I only "discovered" these little gadgets a year or so ago, but now I can't keep house without them.

cheers

eon

299 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:37:56am

re: #293 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, Lizards!
{Jim in Virginia}
{BlueCanuck}
{littleoldlady}
{eon}

Aww. Good morning, goddess.

(scrapes sneaker toe on gravel, blushes.)

cheers

eon

300 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:40:33am

re: #298 eon

I used to have a couple of 38's from back in the day when the army got issued IRP's that came with cans. Kept them because they were just so handy.

/I was in the cadets at the time, and I think the base supply was just trying to get rid of the last batches.

301 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:40:53am

re: #292 razorbacker

The guy with his dad, Ace Bannon, his friend Hadji, and his dog Bandit?

Nope, don't recall him.

Race Bannon, actually. Nickname- actual first name was Roger.

My favorite character was, and is, Jezebel Jade.

/All episodes on tape from Cartoon Network- the original series was much better than the Eighties version, the newest version was somewhere in-between.

cheers

eon

302 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:41:33am

{goddess}

303 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:43:02am

I will note that five Repubilcan supplicants to the Obamanation have brought up the assault weapons ban again.

Poor gun owners. Like they said about Nixon, just because they're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get them.

I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

On the bright side....I'll have to get back to you.

304 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:44:13am

re: #301 eon

A new version of Quest?
I've got to get cable.
Jonny Quest was the perfect nine year old boys cartoon. No girls.

305 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:44:35am

re: #301 eon

Race Bannon, actually. Nickname- actual first name was Roger.

My favorite character was, and is, Jezebel Jade.

/All episodes on tape from Cartoon Network- the original series was much better than the Eighties version, the newest version was somewhere in-between.

cheers

eon

Working from memory, I was reluctant to give Bannon the name 'Race', as I thought that I'd confused his name with his former occupation.

Should have gone with my gut instinct.

306 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:46:03am

Hey razorbacker.
I'll be heading back to the Land of Opportunity for a few days after Thanksgiving.
What's happened to the UA football team? (Same thing that went wrong with my Cornhuskers, I guess. )

307 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:48:02am

Can opener + Sarah Palinesque story...

When I first joined our synagogue years ago, Sisterhood called me to volunteer in the kitchen for some event. They had an old table-mounted can opener, the kind that opens gallon cans, and I had to open I-don't-remember-what so I used it. I grew up in a restaurant. No big deal.

All of a sudden I was a kitchen-hero, because evidently it took some people a long time to figure out how the thing worked. I was told, "You know, the major qualification to becoming Sisterhood President here is knowing how to use that can opener."

HA HA, I said.

HA. HA. The next year I was Sisterhood President.

308 phil flavin  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:48:08am

re: #297 Tigger2005

LOVE that song!

309 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:51:07am

re: #304 Jim in Virginia

A new version of Quest?
I've got to get cable.
Jonny Quest was the perfect nine year old boys cartoon. No girls.

The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest

An original production by Hanna-Barbera for Cartoon Network, it ran from 1994 to 1997. There was a girl in it- Jessie Bannon, Race's daughter. Thing is, she was by far the most likely of the entire group to resort to lethal force.

/No, Jade wasn't her mother- officially.

cheers

eon

310 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:51:27am

re: #307 littleoldlady
You could have JUST SAID NO.
(Yeah, sure)

311 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:53:24am

re: #306 Jim in Virginia

Hey razorbacker.
I'll be heading back to the Land of Opportunity for a few days after Thanksgiving.
What's happened to the UA football team? (Same thing that went wrong with my Cornhuskers, I guess. )

Well, let us see.

Mainly, McFadden (starting back for the Raiders), Jones (starting back for the Cowboys), and Hillis (starting back for the Broncos) are gone, with only a 5'7" Michael Smith (who is, admittedly, on track for a record setting year at running back) left.

Mainly, new coach and system, lack of talent, and general turmoil.

It was a bad scene when they ran Nutt off. Going to take a while to recover.

312 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:55:32am

re: #310 Jim in Virginia

Yeah, sure. ;- ) My family ended up buying me this.

313 eon  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:56:17am

re: #307 littleoldlady

Proving once again that what you know is more important than who you know.

Well, I have to run. Volunteer work day.

Have a great day, and stay warm, Lizards.

cheers

eon

314 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:57:40am

re: #312 littleoldlady

LOL, yep common expression in the army is never volunteer. Unfortunately the Master Corporals and Sargeants would say, "I need three volunteers. You, you, and you. Come with me".

/got volunteered a lot for some reason.

315 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:57:50am

Take care, eon.

316 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 3:59:25am

Good morning everyone. What's going on?

317 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:00:27am

re: #316 freedombilly

Good morning everyone. What's going on?

{freedombilly}

Not much! As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to take off. Have a great day, y'all!

318 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:01:08am

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

Prepare to educate!

319 littleoldlady  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:02:38am

re: #314 BlueCanuck

As Sisterhood president I never got away with "you, you and you."

/but I DID learn the true meaning of "grovel, wheedle and whine" ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

320 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:05:32am

Later eon, goddess, littleoldlady. Have yourselves a good day.

321 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:06:20am

re: #301 eon

Race Bannon, actually. Nickname- actual first name was Roger.

My favorite character was, and is, Jezebel Jade.

/All episodes on tape from Cartoon Network- the original series was much better than the Eighties version, the newest version was somewhere in-between.

cheers

eon

OMG, my fave charater was Jade too...but I also hated her because I had a crush on Race (I know, Iknow, he's an animated charater but then I was 8 years old!).

322 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:11:56am

Have ya'll ever seen the venture brothers? Its a pretty funny I think new show on that lampoons and pays homage to the old Johnny Quest type shows. The show is on late but it is hilarious!

323 razorbacker  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:12:14am

I don't know the answer to this, as we've decided as a nation that any reasonable attempt to vet the voters is too much.

But when any old moron can vote, you might just elect any old moron.

324 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:13:15am

Google's pro-Obama censorship:

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

325 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:13:23am

re: #318 freedombilly

Prepare to educate!

Preparing to educate!

Educate!

Educating!

/Spaceballs

"Why do we always have to prepare to do anything? Just go!"

"Just go. Sir, you better sit down."

/Colonel Sandurz

326 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:16:07am

re: #325 Tigger2005

You forgot to shut down the three ring circus. :D

327 BlueCanuck  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:17:27am

Well it looks like my relief is here early. Time for me to go and find some warm covers. Stay scaly folks.

328 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:19:15am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

Well it looks like my relief is here early. Time for me to go and find some warm covers. Stay scaly folks.

Lizards look for a warm rock.

329 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:19:54am

Good Morning Lizards!

I hope everyone is well. My throat is still killing me, I am still drinking tea with honey and I am still taking bathroom breaks every 45 minutes or so. Other than that I am great!

330 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:21:10am

re: #325 Tigger2005

"Use the Shwartz!"
/ Spaceballs

Love that movie

331 songbird  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:21:41am

re: #329 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

I hope everyone is well. My throat is still killing me, I am still drinking tea with honey and I am still taking bathroom breaks every 45 minutes or so. Other than that I am great!

Alive is good. Hope you feel better today!

332 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:22:45am

Heya all Rustler here got registered yesterday by Rancher, but I'm thinking he jacked up my e-mail addy cause no activation e mail got in nic once I figure out where e-mail went will be realwrangler :)

333 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:25:10am

Good morning folks.

I know this is getting repetitive, but look for yet another down day for the market. The overnight futures are down, with the DOW down 151, NASDAQ down 28.25, and the S&P down 19.10.

For anybody keeping track, the DOW is now down about 1,500 points since The Messiah, The One, the man with all the answers was elected.

Of course, the market had serious problems already, but I would point to the week or so before the election, when it looked like McCain had a good chance of winning, and the market was making some nice gains. But since he won it's been pretty much bombs away.

I would also be remiss to not point out that he still has not selected a Treasury Chief. Don't you think, if you were President elect in conditions like this, that choosing the Treasury Chief would be one of the first things you would do to provide some assurance to the markets?

And the market continues to drop while Obama votes "present".

334 Erik The Red  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:26:05am

re: #332 Rancher

Well done Rustler. email Charles and he should be able to resend.

335 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:26:29am

re: #332 Rancher

I clicked on your name as soon as I saw the registration open to try to send you an email but I couldn't find contact info fast enough. Glad he got in. So you will no longer be able to take credit for Rustler's wisdom;)

336 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:26:47am

Great. /groan

I went to my Pandora radio and changed from instrumental jazz to Celtic in the hopes that the upbeat music would help me feel better. The first song that comes up is "If I was A Blackbird" by Silly Wizard. Great song, but not exactly upbeat. More like music to slit your wrists by.

337 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:27:19am

Also the Nikkei market lost 194 points and the Hang Seng lost 613 overnight.

338 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:27:43am

re: #333 3 wood


. . .
I would also be remiss to not point out that he still has not selected a Treasury Chief. Don't you think, if you were President elect in conditions like this, that choosing the Treasury Chief would be one of the first things you would do to provide some assurance to the markets?

And the market continues to drop while Obama votes "present".


The One is completely clueless how things work.

I appreciate your updates

339 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:28:27am

re: #331 songbird

Alive is good. Hope you feel better today!

I am getting there. And all things considered I am pretty good. A little sore throat is nothing compared to what some are going though. Sometimes a person just has to bitch, even if it's about nothing.

340 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:28:54am

re: #331 songbird

Alive is good. Hope you feel better today!

And thanks. :-)

341 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:29:58am

re: #333 3 wood

Good morning folks.

I know this is getting repetitive, but look for yet another down day for the market. The overnight futures are down, with the DOW down 151, NASDAQ down 28.25, and the S&P down 19.10.

For anybody keeping track, the DOW is now down about 1,500 points since The Messiah, The One, the man with all the answers was elected.

Of course, the market had serious problems already, but I would point to the week or so before the election, when it looked like McCain had a good chance of winning, and the market was making some nice gains. But since he won it's been pretty much bombs away.

I would also be remiss to not point out that he still has not selected a Treasury Chief. Don't you think, if you were President elect in conditions like this, that choosing the Treasury Chief would be one of the first things you would do to provide some assurance to the markets?

And the market continues to drop while Obama votes "present".

He's busier than a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.

342 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:12am

re: #333 3 wood

Could The One's plan be to lower the DOW so far that we actually all NEED government? Keep the market updates coming. I like reading them.

And yes, his very first priority should have been to name a Treasury Chief. As you know, one thing the market hates is uncertainty. Even if it is getting bad news the market likes to get it and move on.

Not sure what he has to gain politically by dragging his feet. I could say he's taking his time so he can make a great selection but I'm too cynical.

343 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:23am

I'm getting a lot of emails from folks wondering if they should switch their money to precious metals.

I don't tell people what specific investments to pick, so do what you think is right. But I will point out that precious metals are more volatile than the stock markets, so they are not necessarily a safe haven either. There is no safe haven out there right now.

Fixed income is returning almost no yield and the markets are dropping.

Take your choice. The old passbook savings account might look pretty good right about now.

344 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:28am

re: #339 Ford_Prefect

I am getting there. And all things considered I am pretty good. A little sore throat is nothing compared to what some are going though. Sometimes a person just has to bitch, even if it's about nothing.

If we don't bitch, good times might seem less good.

345 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:36am

re: #280 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Salting a tub of water to hold my pitchfork for a day or 2 before we start the march on Washington.
Rustler(realwrangler once I figure out what email rancher used to reg me)

346 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:31:59am

re: #338 reine.de.tout

I appreciate your updates

That is very kind of you, thank you.

347 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:33:11am

So 3wood based on Hang seng and Nikkei indexes is dow gonna be in the 6k or 7k by the end of the day?

348 songbird  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:33:39am

re: #339 Ford_Prefect

I am getting there. And all things considered I am pretty good. A little sore throat is nothing compared to what some are going though. Sometimes a person just has to bitch, even if it's about nothing.

That's for sure! Keep our blogger brother from Radarsite in your prayers. He was diagnosed with Leukemia - a really aggressive strain.

349 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:33:48am

re: #344 MandyManners

If we don't bitch, good times might seem less good.

Very true. Good morning Mandy. I hope you are well.

350 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:34:02am

re: #342 freedombilly

Could The One's plan be to lower the DOW so far that we actually all NEED government? Keep the market updates coming. I like reading them.

And yes, his very first priority should have been to name a Treasury Chief. As you know, one thing the market hates is uncertainty. Even if it is getting bad news the market likes to get it and move on.

Not sure what he has to gain politically by dragging his feet. I could say he's taking his time so he can make a great selection but I'm too cynical.

I'm starting to have that feeling too, that he wants to see things totally melt down so he can use that as a reason to take over everything.

I guess we will just have to sit back and see.

351 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:34:12am

I would like to thank whoever the first human being to pick, then roast, then grind, then filter water through a coffee bean was. I owe that person.

And I can't say I would have thought to do it.

352 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:35:00am

If he tips his hand and names Soros Treasury chief won't that send the DOW into afterburner mode strasight down?

353 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:35:46am

re: #352 Rancher

If he tips his hand and names Soros Treasury chief won't that send the DOW into afterburner mode strasight down?

***SPEWING aforementioned coffee***

354 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:36:04am

re: #347 Rancher

So 3wood based on Hang seng and Nikkei indexes is dow gonna be in the 6k or 7k by the end of the day?

Probably not, those two markets are a lot smaller so it takes less to make them move.

But I can easily see the DOW dropping another 200 to 300 points. You have a lot of liquidations out of mutual funds happening.

355 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:36:18am

Bah I'm causing far to many people to waste coffee recently.

356 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:37:42am

For complete intellectual gibberish, click on this link. if you want different gibberish, refresh the page

[Link: www.elsewhere.org...]

357 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:38:36am

re: #352 Rancher

If he tips his hand and names Soros Treasury chief won't that send the DOW into afterburner mode strasight down?

I would not be surprised if he names Chavez or Castro.

By the way, this was the worst first 9 months of the year for the market since 1907.

You know, the era back when the Cubs could still win championships.

358 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:39:18am

re: #357 3 wood

You know, the era back when the Cubs could still win championships.

ZINGER!

359 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:17am

re: #333 3 wood

Hannity was pointing this out last night, or rather Dick Morris was before his camera went off. Colmes didn't get it. He thought they were "blaming" Obama and kept reciting the usual list of accusations against Bush. He apparently did not understand of was pretending not to understand market reaction.

360 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:26am

re: #356 Jewels (AKA Julian)

How do I get that 30 seconds of my life back?

361 gregg  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:28am

re: #350 3 wood

I'm starting to have that feeling too, that he wants to see things totally melt down so he can use that as a reason to take over everything.

I guess we will just have to sit back and see.

I wonder what the the Dow will be at on inauguration day? I suspect it will set up Obama to claim some pretty impressive gains come the 2012 election (e.g. Dow 6000 on inauguration day becomes Dow 12000 in 2012 - the market doubled under Obama).

362 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:40:59am

By the way, Mark Cuban has major problems with his insider trading charges. If he's not stupid about it, he will just settle and go quietly on his away.

363 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:42:36am

re: #360 unclassifiable

Just think of the poor students who have to sit through semesters of that crap.

364 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:42:42am

re: #350 3 wood

I'm starting to have that feeling too, that he wants to see things totally melt down so he can use that as a reason to take over everything.

I guess we will just have to sit back and see.

Cloward-Piven.

365 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:44:46am

re: #359 legalpad

Hannity was pointing this out last night, or rather Dick Morris was before his camera went off. Colmes didn't get it. He thought they were "blaming" Obama and kept reciting the usual list of accusations against Bush. He apparently did not understand of was pretending not to understand market reaction.

What some people don't get (and I'm surprised Colmes can even feed himself he's so stupid) is that the market is basically a bet on the future. Right now the market is telling you that it does not like the future with Obama calling the shots and the De's in charge of Congress.

Back when Clinton got elected the first time, the Dem's were taking credit for any up day on the market before he got sworn in, and they said the same thing about the market. OK, if it was appropriate then,it's appropriate now.

Colmes wants to keep forgetting that the Dem's have been in control of Congress, and therefore fiscal policy, for over 2 years now.

They own this.

366 3 wood  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:45:36am

Got to get ready for work. Later.

367 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:45:56am

re: #356 Jewels (AKA Julian)

For complete intellectual gibberish, click on this link. if you want different gibberish, refresh the page

[Link: www.elsewhere.org...]

If one examines subtextual discourse, one is faced with a choice: either reject Lacanist obscurity or conclude that the State is capable of significance. If dialectic neosemioticist theory holds, we have to choose between Lacanist obscurity and the dialectic paradigm of reality. It could be said that Marxist class states that language is fundamentally a legal fiction, given that the premise of Lacanist obscurity is invalid.

Many theories concerning subcultural socialism exist. Therefore, Foucault promotes the use of Lacanist obscurity to challenge and modify society.

The subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a paradox. In a sense, Baudrillard uses the term ‘Lacanist obscurity’ to denote the dialectic, and some would say the fatal flaw, of materialist sexual identity.

Porter[1] holds that we have to choose between capitalist libertarianism and neodialectic narrative. Therefore, an abundance of theories concerning the role of the reader as observer may be revealed.

How much education did it take to make so much stupid?

368 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:46:26am

Laters 3wood

369 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:46:45am

Did anyone see the JFK assassination moonbat fest on PBS last night?

You hotheads out there. Please please please do not make O a martyr for the left. I am serious. Now that the country has temporarily lost its marbles it needs the full effect of his administration (or lack thereof) to understand its mistake and never ever make it again!

370 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:47:32am

re: #364 MandyManners

Cloward-Piven. Apparently the Republicans never heard of this or they agreed to sit back and watch.

371 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:47:41am

re: #357 3 wood

I would not be surprised if he names Chavez or Castro.

By the way, this was the worst first 9 months of the year for the market since 1907.

You know, the era back when the Cubs could still win championships.

He will probably name the Senator from my state that ran the Banking committee so well...Chris Dodd. If that weasel gets re-elected in two years I just might have to move.

372 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:48:34am

Hopefully there will be no assassination attempts on Obama. Another thing to hope for is that America with its eyes wide shut will wake up in 2010 to end the pain we will be feeling under an Obama nut administration.

373 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:48:41am

re: #367 MandyManners

that's because the site lampoons pomo. it's a random PoMo generator like the good old Autorantic Virtual Moonbat, but even less comprehensible.

Sadly, I had to read some pomo stuff back in university...it's about as comprehensible.....read...it isn't

374 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:49:07am

re: #370 legalpad

I heard of it but I wasn't a Republican at the time;)

375 rightside  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:49:52am

re: #367 MandyManners

A fine example of intellectuals. Remember CBBHO is one. Lots of big words, but meaning nothing.

376 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:49:55am

re: #367 MandyManners

How much education did it take to make so much stupid?

About one class less than Obama took.

377 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:50:27am

re: #370 legalpad

Cloward-Piven. Apparently the Republicans never heard of this or they agreed to sit back and watch.

I don't think they've heard of it. Or, maybe they've heard of it but think that if they talk about it, they'll sound like a buncha' nuts.

BTW, why would they agree to sit back and watch?

378 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:52:16am

OK. I have something to do that actually requires my paying attention, so I will be back later.

379 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:52:20am

re: #373 Jewels (AKA Julian)

that's because the site lampoons pomo. it's a random PoMo generator like the good old Autorantic Virtual Moonbat, but even less comprehensible.

Sadly, I had to read some pomo stuff back in university...it's about as comprehensible.....read...it isn't

Oh, thank goodness. It made no sense at all.

380 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:10am

re: #377 MandyManners

Deep deep cynicism with a raw lust for power.

At some point in the GOP power won out over principals.

A lot of folks say that always happens when a party controls all the branches of government.

381 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:22am

Louisiana Coushatta Indians Tribe establishes ties with Israel

The Coushatta Tribe of Louisiana will recognize and honor Israel, becoming the first Native American tribe to do so in such a ceremony.

There's a more complete story in the printed version of the newspaper.
Interesting

382 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:33am

Q: How many postmodernists does it take to change a lightbulb ?

A: Two: One to ponder the subtextualities of change regarding the cultural hegemony of the electrical/manual pseudoduality and the other to call a janitor

383 freedombilly  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:54:44am

I just heard on the radio that Sen. Kennedy brought his two dogs to the Senate yesterday. They are both Portuguese water dogs.

Are you sitting down?

One of them is named Splash.

384 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:55:17am

re: #333 3 wood

Lots of people taking their capital gains now at the lower tax rate as well.

385 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:56:24am

re: #382 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Did they change it or did they convince themselves that "on-ness" was patriarchal hegemony?

386 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:56:26am

re: #380 unclassifiable

Deep deep cynicism with a raw lust for power.

At some point in the GOP power won out over principals.

A lot of folks say that always happens when a party controls all the branches of government.

The GOP controlled all three branches?

387 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:04am

re: #365 3 wood

. . .

Colmes wants to keep forgetting completely ignores that the Dem's have been in control of Congress, and therefore fiscal policy, for over 2 years now.

They own this.

388 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:14am

re: #386 MandyManners

OK SCOTUS is a stretch.

389 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:19am

Good Morning all. Bob (I played football) Beckle is now on FNC.
He is naming what to him would be a fantasy cabinet. For Homeland Security he wants Chuck Hagle!

390 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:57:40am

re: #383 freedombilly

I just heard on the radio that Sen. Kennedy brought his two dogs to the Senate yesterday. They are both Portuguese water dogs.

Are you sitting down?

One of them is named Splash.

Oh, heaven's to Betsy!

391 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:58:04am

re: #388 unclassifiable

OK SCOTUS is a stretch.

Congress?

392 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:58:28am

re: #391 MandyManners

Before 2006

393 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 4:59:39am

supreme court of the united states re: #391 MandyManners

394 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:02am

re: #389 opnion

Good Morning all. Bob (I played football) Beckle is now on FNC.
He is naming what to him would be a fantasy cabinet. For Homeland Security he wants Chuck Hagle!

Can you give me a run-down on Hagel? From what I've read, he's not much of a Republican.

395 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:20am

re: #393 apachegunner
?

396 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:56am

re: #393 apachegunner

supreme court of the united states

I don't see how either party can control the judicial branch. A philosophy, yes. A party? No.

397 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:00:56am

re: #395 apachegunner

?

second-guessing yourself?

398 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:01:20am

re: #377 MandyManners

I don't think they've heard of it. Or, maybe they've heard of it but think that if they talk about it, they'll sound like a buncha' nuts.

BTW, why would they agree to sit back and watch?

I don't know, but I have gotten the distinct impression that sometimes the Bush silence at the left's relentless and ridiculous attacks was no accident. And looking at his immigration policies, you have to start wondering about his underlying political philosophy. I mean - he can't really buy into this "racism" idea regarding immigration.

399 BaseballMom57  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:03am

re: #212 TheMatrix31

Awesome! Haven't seen that cartoon in a long time. I wish Cartoon Network showed the classics. Instead, we get stuck with absolute garbage.

Ain't that the truth? Some of what they show is just plain ugly - the drawing is not smooth or easy to look at - the themes are ridiculous and usually center around adults too stupid to think for themselves. Jimmy Neutron is visually well done, but the adults are portrayed as clueless.

400 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:14am

The Weather Channel's local weather station is sporting a green logo.

401 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:57am

re: #394 MandyManners

Can you give me a run-down on Hagel? From what I've read, he's not much of a Republican.

Hagel is really anti administration. He does not like Republicans very much & usually supports Dems. He used to be really tight with McCain, but he broke to support Obama.

402 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:02:59am

re: #383 freedombilly

I just heard on the radio that Sen. Kennedy brought his two dogs to the Senate yesterday. They are both Portuguese water dogs.

Are you sitting down?

One of them is named Splash.

Is the other one named Chappaquiddick?

403 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:03:29am

I've been spending a fair amount of my time explaining to my students the economic down turn -- what the market is doing etc. In the spring I'm planning to build two of my courses around the themes of debunking their political and economic mythologies. They really don't have a clue.

404 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:03:33am

re: #398 legalpad

I don't know, but I have gotten the distinct impression that sometimes the Bush silence at the left's relentless and ridiculous attacks was no accident. And looking at his immigration policies, you have to start wondering about his underlying political philosophy. I mean - he can't really buy into this "racism" idea regarding immigration.

It's a lot cheaper for business to have a large pool of workers who won't bitch about shitty conditions, who won't demand health insurance and who will work for less than what citizens will work for.

405 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:03:57am

re: #365 3 wood

Colmes wants to keep forgetting that the Dem's have been in control of Congress, and therefore fiscal policy, for over 2 years now.
They own this.

Of course, but they will never admit it. No one asked Obama which Bush policy adversely affected the economy.

406 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:04:13am

re: #401 opnion

Hagel is really anti administration. He does not like Republicans very much & usually supports Dems. He used to be really tight with McCain, but he broke to support Obama.

I appreciate his military service but, fuck him.

407 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:05:48am

re: #397 reine.de.tout
yep, always

408 Irish Rose  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:06:32am

Good morning, lizards.
Freezing my ass off here along the Lake Michigan shoreline, getting ready to go out and shovel the first @#$@ snowfall of the season.

Coffee. Now.

409 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:07:39am

re: #400 MandyManners
News Flash: Hottest October on record throughout the history of man, and the terminator says the california fires are caused by global warming. spit

410 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:07:52am

re: #398 legalpad

I don't know, but I have gotten the distinct impression that sometimes the Bush silence at the left's relentless and ridiculous attacks was no accident. And looking at his immigration policies, you have to start wondering about his underlying political philosophy. I mean - he can't really buy into this "racism" idea regarding immigration.

When the Republicans lost the House & Senate a couple of years ago, President Bush looked on the bright side & said "At leat I have a Congress that will workk with me on Comprehensive Immigration Reform."

411 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:10am

Military service is admirable but by no means a qualifier for public office. I served in the military had the perfect temperment for it, but i would never think of running for public office. I really don't have the temperment to deal with it. My first day in congress I'd be escorted out by security after physically tossing Senators out on the street.

412 LindaMarie  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:33am

re: #16 Taqiyyotomist


No - too obvious. You should not keep it - except perhaps a printed copy over your computer.
Besides - do you know what the Arabic words are? If it the Al Jazera logo.
Al Jazera means - Al (the) Jazera (Island)
If the words are something else I apologize I cannot read Aribic.

413 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:41am

re: #406 MandyManners

I appreciate his military service but, fuck him.

Hagle has morphed into a bitter clown.

414 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:08:58am

re: #410 opnion

I have defended Bush several times but on that topic he sucked.

415 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:02am

re: #403 Lucius Septimius
careful lucius they will get you for being out of step.

416 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:34am

re: #409 apachegunner

News Flash: Hottest October on record throughout the history of man, and the terminator says the california fires are caused by global warming. spit

That's another RINO that just doesn't get it.

417 Crux Australis  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:09:52am

Does anyone know what's going to happen to the US Auto Industry?

And what effect it will have on the overseas subsidiaries? There are up to 100,000 jobs directly or indirectly involved in the Auto Industry in Australia.

418 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:10:18am

Mourn Lucius and his lose of tenure come January.
realwrangler

419 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:10:28am

re: #377 MandyManners

According to your link, Rudy Giuliani actually attacked Cloward and Piven as the radicals who drove NYC's welfare rolls so high that it nearly bankrupted the city. He also successfully fought back with welfare reform, saving NYC from bankruptcy.

That's why I supported Giuliani in the GOP primaries-- not because he was ideologically pure or even personally unblemished, but because he GOT IT. He totally GOT IT!

420 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:10:45am

re: #413 opnion

Hagle has morphed into a bitter clown.

Did he hold delusions that the president would turn to him for advice?

421 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:11:08am

re: #404 MandyManners

It's a lot cheaper for business to have a large pool of workers who won't bitch about shitty conditions, who won't demand health insurance and who will work for less than what citizens will work for.

But ultimately, they do bitch, because they know that here, unlike Mexico, there will be a response. And they provide a sea of easy to manipulate voters for the left.

422 apachegunner  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:11:39am

re: #417 Crux Australis
all foriegn divisions of GM are in the black I understand.

423 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:11:45am

re: #419 quickjustice

According to your link, Rudy Giuliani actually attacked Cloward and Piven as the radicals who drove NYC's welfare rolls so high that it nearly bankrupted the city. He also successfully fought back with welfare reform, saving NYC from bankruptcy.

That's why I supported Giuliani in the GOP primaries-- not because he was ideologically pure or even personally unblemished, but because he GOT IT. He totally GOT IT!

BUT WHY DIDN'T HE RUN A REAL RACE?

I am still upset about it.

424 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:12:58am

re: #421 legalpad

But ultimately, they do bitch, because they know that here, unlike Mexico, there will be a response. And they provide a sea of easy to manipulate voters for the left.

They don't have nearly the strong voice that legal workers have for the mere fact that they're illegal.

425 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:13:39am

re: #414 unclassifiable

I have defended Bush several times but on that topic he sucked.

Yeah he did. Bush always thought that as a border state governor that he had a special insight into immigration.
He was meeting with Mexican President, Vincente Fox about "Immigration Reform", early in Bush's presidency. Then 9/11 happened & Open Borders went off of the table. Fox really got his nose out of joint.

426 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:14:10am

re: #404 MandyManners

Businesses that hire illegal workers do so to save money on salaries and employee benefits and pensions, including health insurance. That shifts costs to taxpayers who have to pay to support overcrowded emergency rooms and social services that the illegals use because they don't have insurance.

That's why we should crack down hard on businesses that employ illegals.

427 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:14:12am

re: #405 legalpad

Of course, but they will never admit it. No one asked Obama which Bush policy adversely affected the economy.

It was him just being there. Democrats -- including some relatively intelligent ones -- seem to believe that there is some sort of magical power associated with the presidency. The personality of the office-holder, his relative virtues and vices, determine the nature of the economy, foreign relations, domestic tranquility, and, in the most extreme cases, the weather. The world smiles on the right sort of leader and all is good; the world frowns on Bush and everything goes to hell.

Now there is some truth to this perception. The way a leader is perceived does have an impact on the market and foreign relations (albeit not the weather). As 3wood said, the market is a measure of faith in the future. But the character of the officeholder is not the issue: it is the matter of policy. And the president has no magic wand or special charisma that allows him to fundamentally alter economic and political realities. Indeed, one could argue that the president does little in the way of "decision making." There are choices among a limited range of options, but generally it's a matter of following the flow of events and trying to just stay on top of them. In other words, the president does not have the power to determine the direction things take, only the power to manage those situations as well as possible.

An arrogant man might believe that he has the power to change the flow of events in a decisive manner, and that his mere presence in the office will effect such a change. That is a foolish thought, but one the president is encouraged to have. If he takes the bait, the results can be disastrous. Never forget, Roosevelt's "decisiveness" deepened the depression and extended it; Carter's "charisma" brought us stagflation, political chaos, and encouraged our enemies' boldness.

428 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:15:03am

re: #410 opnion

When the Republicans lost the House & Senate a couple of years ago, President Bush looked on the bright side & said "At least I have a Congress that will work with me on Comprehensive Immigration Reform."

My question about Bush was, why was he for this crazy version of immigration "reform" anyway? I always felt that the term "comprehensive" meant that they were going to piggyback something in there that no one likes. Why would Bush want something like this. It isn't fair, it isn't conservative, and it empowers the left - permanently.

429 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:15:04am

re: #415 apachegunner

careful lucius they will get you for being out of step.

Nah, they know what I'm all about.

430 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:15:58am

re: #423 MandyManners

BUT WHY DIDN'T HE RUN A REAL RACE?

I am still upset about it.

Me too. How much do you want to bet the dems made a bunch of promises about unity.

431 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:16:38am

re: #423 MandyManners

The geniuses advising him clearly weren't as smart as they thought they were. In addition, Giuliani shafted a key campaign adviser who had prepared the book of his negatives later leaked to the press by-- guess who?

432 opnion  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:17:37am

re: #420 MandyManners

Did he hold delusions that the president would turn to him for advice?

He got into the McCain camp during the Primaries 8 years ago.
There was bitterness after & Hagle just kept going Left.
Bush might have been able to pull him back if he stroked his ego, but there were bigger issues like the WOT.

433 legalpad  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:18:25am

re: #424 MandyManners

They don't have nearly the strong voice that legal workers have for the mere fact that they're illegal.

That's true now. Later - after a couple of decades - the middle class voter will be buried in an avalanche of voters who are used to socialist oppression and who are bussed to the polls by Spanish-speaking poll workers.

434 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:19:28am

re: #430 Lucius Septimius

Now they are taking the "unity" thing nationwide with the "Divided we Fail" advertising campaign (with the "eledonkey" symbol).

"Unity" of course means the conservatives have to STFD and STFU.

Anything to add Mandy?

435 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:21:06am

re: #434 unclassifiable

Now they are taking the "unity" thing nationwide with the "Divided we Fail" advertising campaign (with the "eledonkey" symbol).

"Unity" of course means the conservatives have to STFD and STFU.

Anything to add Mandy?

We can all be good little daleks and run around saying "I obey" over and over and over and over again.

It's "Democracy"!

/

436 doriangrey  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:21:21am

Good morning Lizards.............

437 unclassifiable  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:21:57am

Good morning dorian.

438 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:22:08am

re: #436 doriangrey

Good morning Dorian. How's tricks?

439 Rancher  Tue, Nov 18, 2008 5:22:50am

Morning Dorian