I guess we know now what the Nationalist parties were doing with the time they didn't get to spend at the Jerusalem conference.

Maybe the perpetrators be caught and publicly humiliated, then locked in a cell for a very long time.

Deeply troubling and sad.

How dare they hurt that poor defenseless animal!

/animal rights activist

If there's a pig head and broken glass involved then that decreases the potential that Muslim immigrants were root cause of the desecration...

sick

This is very sad... There is a Jewish Cemetary close by my place in Queens where there are constant instances of desecration of graves...

Swinish? As in swine? Ahhhh... Anti-Muslim! /sarc

Gee, yet these neo-nazi ultra-nationalists are the good guys, right?

Attacking the dead, what bravery.

The West Germans weeded out the Nazis. The East Germans never did on grounds that socialism had supplanted all older ideologies.

The goose-steppers still lurk in East Germany.

re: #10 quickjustice

The West Germans weeded out the Nazis. The East Germans never did on grounds that socialism had supplanted all older ideologies.

The goose-steppers still lurk in East Germany.

They just spread out across the entire country after unification.

Baloo on multiculturalism.

[Link: balooscartoonblog.blogspot.com...]

you won't see the term "swinish" in US media in part because it so accurately describes the MSM's own behavior......

re: #5 Thanos

If there's a pig head and broken glass involved then that decreases the potential that Muslim immigrants were root cause of the desecration...

What is the significance of "broken glass" bit? Just askin'.

Deja Vu all over again.

/that baseball guy

re: #14 unreconstructed rebel

What is the significance of "broken glass" bit? Just askin'.

Anniversary of Krystallnacht just passed.

re: #14 unreconstructed rebel

Kristallnacht, the first great organized pogrom of the Third Reich

re: #11 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not really. It's basically an East German thing. I mean, at least those "swinish" acts. There are of course antisemites all over Europe.

re: #2 MrSilverDragon

Maybe the perpetrators be caught and publicly humiliated, then locked in a cell for a very long time.

No. Their heads should be skewered on a pike and propped up in BerlinAlexander Platz

/like that'll happen

re: #14 unreconstructed rebel

What is the significance of "broken glass" bit? Just askin'.

I am guessing Kristallnacht.

Scum

Actually, "swinish" describes those pigfuckers very well.

The only good Nazi is no longer breathing.

re: #14 unreconstructed rebel

Google "Kristallnacht."

re: #16 Thanos

Anniversary of Krystallnacht just passed.

And that is not a part of a muslim's cultural memory? Ok, got it. I think.

If the vandals put broken glass at the cemetery, aren't they referencing something that they think didn't happen? The "six million lies" thing seems hypocritical.

Threads on this subject tend to stall conversation, it's so repulsive I think people struggle with words.

re: #25 bellamags

If the vandals put broken glass at the cemetery, aren't they referencing something that they think didn't happen? The "six million lies" thing seems hypocritical.

Excellent.

re: #24 unreconstructed rebel

And that is not a part of a muslim's cultural memory? Ok, got it. I think.

Broken glass AND using a pig's head, especially a pig's head, makes it very unlikely this was done by Muslims.

re: #26 Thanos

Threads on this subject tend to stall conversation, it's so repulsive I think people struggle with words.

Yes.

re: #26 Thanos

Threads on this subject tend to stall conversation, it's so repulsive I think people struggle with words.

Well said. I am at a loss to say much of value here. It is sick and should be routed out and stopped.

re: #25 bellamags

If the vandals put broken glass at the cemetery, aren't they referencing something that they think didn't happen? The "six million lies" thing seems hypocritical.

They accept that Kristallnacht happened, it is the Holocaust they deny.

Are these the same Deutsch who swooned at the Nobama?

Swinish. Pigs head. Great writing, huh.
/maybe it loses something in translation

re: #29 scottishbuzzsaw

Yes.

Hi ya scottish!
How was your weekend?

re: #26 Thanos

Threads on this subject tend to stall conversation, it's so repulsive I think people struggle with words.

I certainly can't think of anything to say.

ot (and early I know)

Too Many Proofs of Anti-Israel M.S.M Bias In One Article To Mention.

re: #32 Gang of One

Are these the same Deutsch who swooned at the Nobama?

That would imply that every German who attended the Obama rally are no better than Neo-nazi's.

I think your comment is a bit broad.

re: #32 Gang of One

Possibly, but who can say?

Semi-related, I've always wondered about how certain other sites, to remain un-named and unlinked, but whose posters frequently subscribe to ideologies much like the one at work in this case, can have such a heavy traffic of postings?

Shouldn't Godwin's Law kick in and they all just sort of evaporate?

re: #31 FurryOldGuyJeans

They accept that Kristallnacht happened, it is the Holocaust they deny.

I can't comprehend how people can ignore the evidence. Those types seem to relish stirring the pot on a tragic history.

You can't reason with the irrational. You can't give attention to it either or it feeds it by giving it attention, even if negative attention...

But, hey, maybe sit down at the top level and work it out, yeah that would help.../

re: #35 Dianna

I certainly can't think of anything to say.

I have lots I would like to say, but getting the stick by Stinky is not something I would like.

re: #31 FurryOldGuyJeans

They accept that Kristallnacht happened, it is the Holocaust they deny.

shows a severe lack of critical thinking skills.

re: #26 Thanos

Threads on this subject tend to stall conversation, it's so repulsive I think people struggle with words.

Agreed. This sort of thing needs to be stopped in its tracks, but proves a poor topic for discussion.

re: #32 Gang of One

Are these the same Deutsch who swooned at the Nobama?

I'm sure they are the ones who could not wait until we 'joined' the Global Community...

re: #39 Right mind left

I can't comprehend how people can ignore the evidence. Those types seem to relish stirring the pot on a tragic history.

You can't reason with the irrational. You can't give attention to it either or it feeds it by giving it attention, even if negative attention...

But, hey, maybe sit down at the top level and work it out, yeah that would help.../

Holocaust denial is similar to any belief in conspiracy. Rational need not apply.

re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have lots I would like to say, but getting the stick by Stinky is not something I would like.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA...(or is it more polite to say ROFL?)

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

That would imply that every German who attended the Obama rally are no better than Neo-nazi's.

I think your comment is a bit broad.

Perhaps, but I still don't trust anything socialist, national socialist or Euroweenie. I'm stupid like that.

re: #38 Guanxi88

Not if there's a consistent small cult who keeps it alive, goes hand in glove with what you see above. The great majority of Germans are just as repulsed by this as we are, but a small cadre keeps it alive. It's a cult network.

Das Scwhein
Aussehen :Es ist ein dickes Tier mit rosa Haut, wenigen Borsten und einem kurzen Ringelschwanz.

re: #37 Walter L. Newton

That would imply that every German who attended the Obama rally are no better than Neo-nazi's.

I think your comment is a bit broad.

It wasn't really a proper Obama rally and anyone who showed up merely to see and hear Die Grosse NULL is properly called an idiot.

German politicians were quick to condemn the acts of desecration.

I sure it was a strongly worded letter of condemnation.

re: #41 bellamags

shows a severe lack of critical thinking skills.

Holocaust evidence is proof, for the deniers, of a conspiracy. Look to the 9/11 troofers for how cognitive dissonance works.

re: #44 FurryOldGuyJeans

Holocaust denial is similar to any belief in conspiracy. Rational need not apply.

So how do you rout it out without giving attention that feeds it? Post the article then everybody ***GAZE***?

Yeppers.

Flags high, the ranks close.
SA marches with a firm, decisive step.
Comrades who were shot by the Red Front and Reaction
March with us in spirit.

/repulsive doesn't begin to describe it

re: #14 unreconstructed rebel

What is the significance of "broken glass" bit? Just askin'.

kristallnacht . The night of the broken glass. The night the Nazi's had a large pogrom against the German Jewish community.

We have a significant portion of Americans who equate the Bush regime with fascism.
Stupid is everywhere.

re: #46 Gang of One

Perhaps, but I still don't trust anything socialist, national socialist or Euroweenie. I'm stupid like that.

Oh get off it. So, you don't trust them to NOT to be anti-semantic? That in itself makes you a bigot.

re: #42 unreconstructed rebel

Agreed. This sort of thing needs to be stopped in its tracks, but proves a poor topic for discussion.

There's a lot to say about it but it requires self-censorship in some cases...

re: #48 HDrepub

Das Scwhein
Aussehen :Es ist ein dickes Tier mit rosa Haut, wenigen Borsten und einem kurzen Ringelschwanz.

What babelfish gave me:

The Scwhein Appearance: It is a thick animal with pink skin, few bristles and a short Ringelschwanz.

Anti-semantic?
I guess that does make me a bigot. Sue me.

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

Holocaust evidence is proof, for the deniers, of a conspiracy. Look to the 9/11 troofers for how cognitive dissonance works.

yep. good parallel. more evidence to prove, more evidence to disprove.

re: #58 Thanos

What babelfish gave me:

The Scwhein Appearance: It is a thick animal with pink skin, few bristles and a short Ringelschwanz.

Ringelschwanz = short curly tail

re: #52 Right mind left

So how do you rout it out without giving attention that feeds it? Post the article then everybody ***GAZE***?

I wish I had the answers, but frankly I don't. All I know is that ignoring a disease is not a good method for a cure.

re: #47 Thanos

Cult is the word, complete with relics, liturgy, the whole 9 yards.

Wanna see something truly bizarre? Go digging around for "Savitri Devi," "Miguel Serrano," and others. Weird, very weird. Like an evil version of the Hare Krishnas, that first one.

re: #59 Gang of One

Anti-semantic?
I guess that does make me a bigot. Sue me.

My point would be, your attitude is the SAME sort of attitude that motivates some European to be anti-semitic.

And excuse me for the spelling. You still know what the fuck I was talking about.

It's that sort of way of looking at people that will continue anti this and anti that behavior, over and over. Your way of approaching the issue is no better.

Kristalnact

My father worked in Poland for a few years. He visited the concentration camps. You can go see the actual piles of reading glasses, hair and clothing still in various rooms of the camps. He was telling me this and his voice started to crack and I knew he was getting ready to cry. He is a Marine and a typical tough guy. I have only seen him tear up a couple of times in my life. It really affected him.........and to those who deny this holocaust............. I don't even know what to say about them. No words to describe my feelings.

re: #59 Gang of One

Anti-semantic?
I guess that does make me a bigot. Sue me.

You're against the meaning in communications?

Perhaps you meant antisemitic?

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wish I had the answers, but frankly I don't. All I know is that ignoring a disease is not a good method for a cure.

Yes, I totally agree. But you can't sit down at a table and be civil either...

Sanctions, routing out and stiff punishment. Send Mandy!

re: #67 Steffan

You're against the meaning in communications?

Perhaps you meant antisemitic?

He was pointing out MY spelling error. It was not his error.

re: #63 Guanxi88

Cult is the word, complete with relics, liturgy, the whole 9 yards.

Wanna see something truly bizarre? Go digging around for "Savitri Devi," "Miguel Serrano," and others. Weird, very weird. Like an evil version of the Hare Krishnas, that first one.

Yes I've seen that before too.

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

He was pointing out MY spelling error. It was not his error.

If spelling was the worst of his errors. ;)

re: #46 Gang of One

Perhaps, but I still don't trust anything socialist, national socialist or Euroweenie. I'm stupid like that.

Moonbats are in every nation.

Anti-Semitism On Our Own Doorstep

In guess sitting around collecting your state stipend makes some brains go yonder over the abyss.

re: #25 bellamags

Logical consistancy is one flaw that these jokers don't have. It's like in 1984, being able to hold both an idea and its opposite in one's mind at the same time.

re: #63 Guanxi88

Cult is the word, complete with relics, liturgy, the whole 9 yards.

Wanna see something truly bizarre? Go digging around for "Savitri Devi," "Miguel Serrano," and others. Weird, very weird. Like an evil version of the Hare Krishnas, that first one.

We also have the Hajj.

re: #73 WrathofG-d

Anti-Semitism On Our Own Doorstep

Why didn't you warn me that wasn't an article?! EEEWWWWWW, now I have to go shower.

re: #66 bellamags

I can't imagine what it's like to see that. I can't even bring myself to visit the Holocaust memorial in Washington. I'd be in hysterics by the end.

re: #28 FurryOldGuyJeans

Broken glass AND using a pig's head, especially a pig's head, makes it very unlikely this was done by Muslims.

I don't see how either point rules out Muslim involvement.

(1) The use of broken glass merely demonstrates that the perpetrators were aware of the significance that Kristallnacht has for Jews;

(2) Contrary to all the idiotic wishful thinking that we could magically stop jihadists by wrapping their corpses in bacon fat, Islamic law does NOT forbid Muslims any and all physical contact with pigs -- it simply forbids them to eat pork. If Muslims are allowed to use boar-bristle hairbrushes or carry a pigskin wallet (and they are), then handling a pig's head for a few minutes, with the intent of harrassing Jews, should not be an impossible obstacle.

On a totally unrelated and perhaps inappropriately unrelated topic. But any way:

Megyn Kelly Only The Second Hottest TV Newswoman?
—DrewM.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Now back to your normal broadcasting.

Jewish anti-semitism watch perhaps?
[Link: www.grasstopsusa.com...]

re: #19 philipp

Not really. It's basically an East German thing. I mean, at least those "swinish" acts. There are of course antisemites all over Europe the world.

they deny it to insult and humiliate the victims.
also to absolve themselves of guilt,
in their own delusional minds.

re: #77 Right mind left

Why didn't you warn me that wasn't an article?! EEEWWWWWW, now I have to go shower.

I don't get it. What are you getting at exactly? It was a link to an Anti-Semitism census for the U.S. by the ADL.

re: #78 doppelganglander

I can't imagine what it's like to see that. I can't even bring myself to visit the Holocaust memorial in Washington. I'd be in hysterics by the end.

Yeah. He said he didn't say much for the rest of the day. Kinda changed him a little.

Anti-Semitism Around The World

Listen Walter,

I have a philosophy that goes like this: everyone is a moron until proven otherwise.

Being one of the tribe, I also don't trust anyone NOT to be anti-Semitic until proven otherwise. It comes with the territory. And I've been disapointed and unpleasantly surprised by people whom I thought were benign, but in fact harbor their own little evil streak of anti-semitism. Happened just this Sunday, in fact.

re: #79 Throbert McGee

I don't see how either point rules out Muslim involvement.

(1) The use of broken glass merely demonstrates that the perpetrators were aware of the significance that Kristallnacht has for Jews;

(2) Contrary to all the idiotic wishful thinking that we could magically stop jihadists by wrapping their corpses in bacon fat, Islamic law does NOT forbid Muslims any and all physical contact with pigs -- it simply forbids them to eat pork. If Muslims are allowed to use boar-bristle hairbrushes or carry a pigskin wallet (and they are), then handling a pig's head for a few minutes, with the intent of harrassing Jews, should not be an impossible obstacle.

I said UNLIKELY, not IMPOSSIBLE.

I don't know about anyone else but, I need a little mental cleansing.

re: #36 WrathofG-d

ot (and early I know)

Too Many Proofs of Anti-Israel M.S.M Bias In One Article To Mention.

So, this shmuck guzzled their wine and gobbled their food, then bashed them anyway? Asshole.

I'm listening to Us & Them and , when combined with this thread, it is creating a melancholy.

BBL.

re: #90 Alouette

So, this shmuck guzzled their wine and gobbled their food, then bashed them anyway? Asshole.

You never had rude house guests before? Look to some of the blocked posters for just how rude people can be.

re: #79 Throbert McGee

I don't see how either point rules out Muslim involvement.

(1) The use of broken glass merely demonstrates that the perpetrators were aware of the significance that Kristallnacht has for Jews;

(2) Contrary to all the idiotic wishful thinking that we could magically stop jihadists by wrapping their corpses in bacon fat, Islamic law does NOT forbid Muslims any and all physical contact with pigs -- it simply forbids them to eat pork. If Muslims are allowed to use boar-bristle hairbrushes or carry a pigskin wallet (and they are), then handling a pig's head for a few minutes, with the intent of harrassing Jews, should not be an impossible obstacle.

So then, why are Muslim cashiers at general suprtmarkets in the UK and Minnesota (like Target stores) refusing to allow customers to purchase alcohol and pork products at their registers?

re: #84 WrathofG-d

I don't get it. What are you getting at exactly? It was a link to an Anti-Semitism census for the U.S. by the ADL.

Sorry, it is horrid to see all the reports...and that they are proliferating the way they suggest. It kinda just hit me when I went there and the site had all this detail about a professor with a new blogosphere...makes me think of Ayers and all his promotional material. I can't watch him or read much of him either without feeling like I've been slimed.

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

You never had rude house guests before? Look to some of the blocked posters for just how rude people can be.

So then you agree he is an asshole.

re: #95 Alouette

So then you agree he is an asshole.

Never intimated anything else.

re: #89 MandyManners

I don't know about anyone else but, I need a little mental cleansing.

AHHHHHHH, thank you.

re: #72 MandyManners

Moonbats are in every nation.

True dat, Mandy. But I specifically said socialists, national socialists and Euroweenies because they are clearly thinkers of a different stripe.

re: #93 Alouette

So then, why are Muslim cashiers at general suprtmarkets in the UK and Minnesota (like Target stores) refusing to allow customers to purchase alcohol and pork products at their registers?

Tip of the wedge.

i've said it before and ill say it again, why any jew feels its safe to live in Europe after the holocaust is beyond me

re: #98 Gang of One

True dat, Mandy. But I specifically said socialists, national socialists and Euroweenies because they are clearly thinkers of a different stripe.

Yet so many here in the US want to emulate that type of thinking.

re: #66 bellamags

My father worked in Poland for a few years. He visited the concentration camps. You can go see the actual piles of reading glasses, hair and clothing still in various rooms of the camps. He was telling me this and his voice started to crack and I knew he was getting ready to cry. He is a Marine and a typical tough guy. I have only seen him tear up a couple of times in my life. It really affected him.........and to those who deny this holocaust............. I don't even know what to say about them. No words to describe my feelings.

When I was 11 we had a camp survivor as a guest in our home, she also survived the Soviet Gulags. She was in her early 20's in the camps. The understated way she told her story and the tattoo on her is what affected me.

I learned then that I hated Nazis, and Commies.

re: #93 Alouette

That is just them trying to flex their grievance muscles, and maybe even impose their own restrictions on others. If picking up a pound of bacon or a fifth of the good stuff becomes a hassle, perhaps they think, then folks will knock it off.

Or, again, maybe just being jerks. Or, on the third hand, a little from column A and a little from column B.

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

Being evil is the easy route.

re: #101 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yet so many here in the US want to emulate that type of thinking.

And this, quite frankly, scares me. I have made inquiries for getting a permit to own firearms. I am not going to take any chances.

/paranoid delusional

Jew hate in Europe, you don't say.

re: #103 jcm

When I was 11 we had a camp survivor as a guest in our home, she also survived the Soviet Gulags. She was in her early 20's in the camps. The understated way she told her story and the tattoo on her is what affected me.

I learned then that I hated Nazis, and Commies.

And yet now all we get is how wonderful Socialism is by the likes of Ayers.

re: #87 Gang of One

Listen Walter,

I have a philosophy that goes like this: everyone is a moron until proven otherwise.

Being one of the tribe, I also don't trust anyone NOT to be anti-Semitic until proven otherwise. It comes with the territory. And I've been disapointed and unpleasantly surprised by people whom I thought were benign, but in fact harbor their own little evil streak of anti-semitism. Happened just this Sunday, in fact.

Enjoy! I have no come back for your statement above. I think you said it all about yourself quite succinctly.

“Swinish.” There’s a word you don’t see much in US media; it definitely fits.

Fits a bit too well for me -- I mean, this is not one of those stories where a cutesy-poo headline pun is really appropriate.

("One thing everyone in this beachside California town can agree on: Life without Gidget the Surfing Grizzly would be -- just un-bear-able! And now back to Steve Knobgobbler with your 3-day local weather forecast...")

"Swinish" and a pig's head. It's a pun. Not sure if it's funny.

I just don't understand the antipathy to the Jewish people. I really don't. I grew up in NY, and most of my friends were Jewish. I loved them, loved and respected their parents, loved being in their homes, and being asked to celebrate the holidays with them. I love them still, even though I don't see them much anymore.

The bile, hatred, violence - it's more than tragic, it's diabolical. If it comes to it, trust me, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with my Jewish friends.

And no, I am not Jewish. Just an American.

re: #89 MandyManners
What a wonderful choice. Thanks Mandy

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

Do you have any specific examples of Cornel West's bigotry? My LLL girlfriend is a fan of his and I'd like to set her straight if I can.

re: #112 subsailor68

Hate needs no reason.

re: #110 Throbert McGee

Fits a bit too well for me -- I mean, this is not one of those stories where a cutesy-poo headline pun is really appropriate.

Something may have gotten lost in translation.

I was stationed in Germany for (2) years and I have some advice for Jews that have family members buried in Germany.

Have them moved to Israeli, because this will get worse before it gets better.

re: #75 Iron Fist

Logical consistancy is one flaw that these jokers don't have. It's like in 1984, being able to hold both an idea and its opposite in one's mind at the same time.

Didn't you hear the Obamabots? Big Brother Is Our Friend.

This ought to make the current generation of Germans very uneasy. And the shame (as Charles points out) is that a lot of the anti-semites are also anti-Jihadists.

Well, I predicted it this morning.

As soon as Paulson and Bernanke starting talking into amicrophoone ht e market dropped like a rock.

We have about a 200 rally cooking and then they started up and it dropped about 300 points.

Right now the DOW has climbed back to within 14 points of break even on the day.

But it's about time for The Messiah to start running his yap somewhere.

If only all these geniuses would shut their mouths for a day, we might have a chance of having one good day.

This was the worst first 9 months of the year for the market since 1907.

re: #116 Charles

Something may have gotten lost in translation.

And yet for me it is crystal clear that antisemitism is alive and thriving in Germany despite all the laws.

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

Enjoy! I have no come back for your statement above. I think you said it all about yourself quite succinctly.

If you think this defines me, so be it. But I can't help asking myself this question:

If God fobid, push came to shove, and it happened all over again, which of my non-Jewish friends would stand up for me, be a Righteous Gentile?

No doubt many non Jews would as many had done. But if you tell me this question is illegitimate, then perhaps you have defined yourself?

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

And yet now all we get is how wonderful Socialism is by the likes of Ayers.

I often wonder how a lunch with this lady and the likes of Ayers would go. Ayers has all the theories, she lived it.

re: #93 Alouette

Thats called an agenda. Typically they do this to force a company to bend to their demands. Not the demands of the job. When they do this once, it opens the gates to more and more unreasonable demands.

re: #120 3 wood

Didn't the government do nothing in 1907 and a quick rebound happened? When the government talks about fixing something it ends up more frakked up than before.

OT:
So, we're hearing about how Obama's inauguration might get 4 million lining the streets to see him take the oath of office. Anyone else out there question where the number comes from?

It's an assumption that DC is going with.

The population of DC is just under 600,000, which means that they're expecting a crowd that is more than six times larger than the city's population. Even if we're talking day trippers, there's no way that the city could handle that kind of crush of visitors.

250,000 are expected to get tickets for the swearing-in ceremony at the US Capitol.

re: #115 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hate needs no reason.

So sadly true.

re: #90 Alouette

The following are my choice quotes from the hypocrites.

SHILOH, West Bank – Israel's West Bank settlers have been ratcheting up their violence, defying their own government and flouting international public opinion.

(ed- interesting way to start an article with the title "Worried West Bank Settlers Try Wine & Cheese". I guess they could have gone with something that had anything to do with the Jewish perspective or even he article...but then they'd lose the opportunity to brand Jews as violent)

But on Monday a settler group tried another tack — wooing foreign journalists with a bus tour featuring a glass of merlot and a visit to a home overlooking the site where the biblical Israelites housed Moses' stone tablets.

(ed- What? No use of the term "Holy" before those "stone tablets" aka the 10 Commandments From G-d Given To The Jewish People. I don't expect the writer to believe it, but when they write about Muslim religious items its usually called "the Holy Koran", etc. I can't also ignore that the writer uses a skeptic voice when describing the Jewish perspective. Arabs telling their side is "Truth Telling" or "Speaking Truth To Power", Jews telling their side is "another tact to woo foreign journalists" and bribe them.)

...

The settlers said they wanted to show the world they are just trying to have peaceful lives. But the bulletproof windows on the bus, the ubiquitous barbed wire and the watch towers at settlements betrayed an existence that is anything but normal.

(ed- "wanted to show", you know because it couldn't be true. Same skeptic voice used. Then there is the fact that the 1st sentence has no logical connection to the 2nd. The Jews do want to live in peace. The barbed wire, and bulletproof glass is for THEIR protection from the Arabs that do not. Lastly, they said they wanted to live in peace...not that their lives now were normal.)

...

Journalists peppered the settlers with questions like "Don't the Palestinians have a right to a state?" and "How can Israel hope to remain both Jewish and democratic if it continues to rule over another people who will soon outnumber Israelis?"

(ed - Simple, journalistic, unbaised, probing questions right.....NOPE! Really gives you a look into those that are writing on the subject.)

...

Eliana Passentin, a 35-year-old mother of six who was raised in San Francisco, invited reporters into her home in the settlement of Eli, offering cookies and blue pens marked "From Eli with friendship."

(ed- "raised in San Fran"? When have you seen a description of where an Arab is from when discussing their "plight", unless he was born there? Truth is that most were not, but they never point that out.)

...

To get to the house, the journalists passed a swimming pool, basketball and tennis courts, a Jewish seminary, kindergartens ...
Passentin's house, featuring modern furniture and fine tiles cemented into built-in benches, overlooks ancient Shiloh, for which a modern settlement nearby is named and where tradition holds the ancient Israelites kept the tabernacle with Moses' tablets. She said her dining room was situated to make maximum use of that view.

(ed- innocent description of her home, or set up to describe them as "bourgeoisie" "settler"? Do they describe the "impoverished" Arabs' homes in this manner?)

...

Later, the reporters were taken to the ancient site to watch a video and hear an archaeologist describe the Jewish connection to the land.

(ed- none of which is going to be described here of course. Instead they are going to directly go to false claims about "Occupation".)

(snip) Read it all.

re: #126 lawhawk

OT:
So, we're hearing about how Obama's inauguration might get 4 million lining the streets to see him take the oath of office. Anyone else out there question where the number comes from?

It's an assumption that DC is going with.

The population of DC is just under 600,000, which means that they're expecting a crowd that is more than six times larger than the city's population. Even if we're talking day trippers, there's no way that the city could handle that kind of crush of visitors.

250,000 are expected to get tickets for the swearing-in ceremony at the US Capitol.

Hype the throngs and they will come?

Last update - 18:53 18/11/2008

Abbas said to ask Olmert to free Barghouti as goodwill gesture

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hey why don't they release Charles Manson as a sop to other psychopathic killers?

re: #121 FurryOldGuyJeans

And yet for me it is crystal clear that antisemitism is alive and thriving in Germany despite all the laws.

Stay tuned. Anti-semitism is alive and well throughout Europe. As Charles has pointed out (and gotten blasted by his "friends"), some of the anti-Jihadists are also anti-semites. Europe has some real problems that aren't easily fixed.

re: #126 lawhawk

Good luck getting a hotel room?

re: #111 OldLineTexan

"Swinish" and a pig's head. It's a pun. Not sure if it's funny.

a little too offhand. nonchalant, jaunty.
for such a despicable act.

re: #102 buzzsawmonkey

It's interesting, is it not, that open antisemites and Holocaust-deniers such as Kevin MacDonald and Arthur Butz seem to have no trouble nestling, tenured, in the bosom of the university system, and that creatures like Norman Finkelstein manage to get offered job after job when they are bounced--not to mention bigots like Leonard Jeffries, Cornel West and Derrick Bell--yet professors like Thomas Klocek who stand up against overt campus antisemitism have the skids greased under them, and professors generally known to have merely conservative views have trouble getting hired, let alone gaining tenure?

Interesting is one word. This trend should be pointed out where it counts. Maybe we need some sort of Conservative Affirmative Action within the State Universities.

re: #127 subsailor68

So sadly true.

When hate has a reason it is only found so as to serve as justification.

re: #120 3 wood

I think that Jonah Goldberg might be on to something here.

Instead of rushing to be firemen, these folks are being arsonists by trying out different economic solutions to a problem they either don't recognize, understand, or wish to correct. Throwing money at the problem of toxic paper isn't going to be a fix unless you solve the underlying cause (and no one is doing that).

But there is always some good news.

The New York Times stock dropped to $7.00 a share yesterday.

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Last update - 18:53 18/11/2008

Abbas said to ask Olmert to free Barghouti as goodwill gesture

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hey why don't they release Charles Manson as a sop to other psychopathic killers?

Another good way to insure that Likud gets their landslide victory.

re: #106 Gang of One

In most states you don't need a permit to own firearms. You need a permit to carry most places, though. I guess it's just the way I was raised, but I'm always surprised when someone says they don't own a gun. Not many people around here could say that and be telling the truth

re: #126 lawhawk

Million Man March Redux. I would still not discount that the crowds for this inauguration will be sizable. This IS the anointment of the Messiah, after all.

re: #133 nyc redneck

a little too offhand. nonchalant, jaunty.
for such a despicable act.

It was probably a German headline that made some reference to the pig's head, and it was translated badly. Germans aren't really known for inserting puns into news headlines.

re: #132 Nevergiveup

Good luck getting a hotel room?

Free love! It's gonna be like Woodstck for the Moonbats!

re: #94 Right mind left

Sorry, it is horrid to see all the reports...and that they are proliferating the way they suggest. It kinda just hit me when I went there and the site had all this detail about a professor with a new blogosphere...makes me think of Ayers and all his promotional material. I can't watch him or read much of him either without feeling like I've been slimed.

I cant read much of ayers without my mind starting to hurt. We dont need waterboarding, loud music, etc. One cheap old tape recorder with someone droning on reading his writings is enough.

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Million Man March Redux. I would still not discount that the crowds for this inauguration will be sizable. This IS the anointment of the Messiah, after all.

I'm not discounting that the numbers will be huge, and they'll certainly get over a million people to attend. I just wonder how they're coming up with 4 million and how they're all going to get there, back, and what happens during the course of the day (food, facilities, etc.)

re: #122 Gang of One

Gang, I feel very much what you have expressed. Some jaws would drop if they heard the comments made to me over the years because I don't "look" Jewish, "act" Jewish, or am not "well to do" Jewish.

re: #125 FurryOldGuyJeans

Didn't the government do nothing in 1907 and a quick rebound happened? When the government talks about fixing something it ends up more frakked up than before.

Pretty much, yeah.

Hey, if we are going to bail out moribund, incompetent organizations now, maybe the Detroit Lions and Oakland Raiders should get in line with their hands out.

re: #143 tfc3rid

Free love! It's gonna be like Woodstck for the Moonbats!

In January? They better watch out they don't freeze their little shwinhunds off?

re: #149 Nevergiveup

In January? They better watch out they don't freeze their little shwinhunds off?

Think about how much better off the rest of us would be if they did

re: #144 ploome hineni

The biggest shame is that scam artist Charlie Rangel won his seat back with 88% of the vote...

He brings the bacon home to his constituents...

re: #149 Nevergiveup

In January? They better watch out they don't freeze their little shwinhunds off?

They will bask in the warm glow of The One..

re: #147 vagabond trader

i found out that the Rothschilds control all the worlds money, its amazing what people will say to you when they don't know your jewish

He would have an enormous ringelschwanz!

That goes without saying.

re: #146 lawhawk

I'm not discounting that the numbers will be huge, and they'll certainly get over a million people to attend. I just wonder how they're coming up with 4 million and how they're all going to get there, back, and what happens during the course of the day (food, facilities, etc.)

This is the media reporting the number. Why start being accurate when they can continue The One Worship?

re: #112 subsailor68

I just don't understand the antipathy to the Jewish people. I really don't. I grew up in NY, and most of my friends were Jewish. I loved them, loved and respected their parents, loved being in their homes, and being asked to celebrate the holidays with them. I love them still, even though I don't see them much anymore.

The bile, hatred, violence - it's more than tragic, it's diabolical. If it comes to it, trust me, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with my Jewish friends.

And no, I am not Jewish. Just an American.

I dont understand it either.
What are people teaching their kids?

re: #137 ploome hineni

I saw a pair on ebay

No shit?

re: #143 tfc3rid

Free love! It's gonna be like Woodstck for the Moonbats!

May the weather be 35 degrees and a hard rain.

re: #128 WrathofG-d

(snip) Read it all.

No thanks, the bits you have quoted here already made me throw up in my mouth.

re: #146 lawhawk

I'm not discounting that the numbers will be huge, and they'll certainly get over a million people to attend. I just wonder how they're coming up with 4 million and how they're all going to get there, back, and what happens during the course of the day (food, facilities, etc.)

busing?

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

The "Million Man March" may not have hit a million people, but it was nevertheless huge. I've helped organize a rally at the Lincoln Memorial. We got a crowd that the Washington Post estimated at around 20000. To fill up the Mall the way that the MMM did they had to have 200000 people. Very impressive. When you look at the organizers and you see anti-white and anti-semitic bigots, it's kind of troubling that they got that many people to turn out.

re: #136 lawhawk

Instead of rushing to be firemen, these folks are being arsonists by trying out different economic solutions to a problem they either don't recognize, understand, or wish to correct. Throwing money at the problem of toxic paper isn't going to be a fix unless you solve the underlying cause (and no one is doing that).

Economically speaking, the New Deal was a failure as has been the related Keynesian economic theory.

Looks like Obama wants to repeat the experience.

Like I've said before, I've always enjoyed studying the history of the 1930's and experiencing the era through the printed page.

I just never thought that I would experience the 30's in person.

re: #159 Alouette

No thanks, the bits you have quoted here already made me throw up in my mouth.

I read it all. It is pathetic.
It starts in the first sentence and doesnt end until the last sentence. Some unbi-ass-ed reporter.

re: #162 Iron Fist

Was our President Elect at the Million Man March?

re: #10 quickjustice

The West Germans weeded out the Nazis. The East Germans never did on grounds that socialism had supplanted all older ideologies.

The goose-steppers still lurk in East Germany.

The West Germans never did weed them all out. They did eliminate overt displays making it a criminal offense and prosecuted. But, even in the 60s there were neo-Nazi rallies conducted b the right wing element of the NPD. I recall one in the Autumn of '69 that made Time magazine (I think it was Time). There were even more in the 70s. On my last trip (89-92) there seemed to be fewer until the wall came down and then it seemed like a swarm of them.

At Bad Tolz, there were several Gasthouses where neo-Nazis (and old nostalgic ones) met and sang the old party songs and passed out literature.

re: #153 pegcity

Indeed. Sadly I have heard such trash from my own as well. Shakes head.

German politicians were quick to condemn

Before or after they went off to do more deals with Iran?

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Last update - 18:53 18/11/2008

Abbas said to ask Olmert to free Barghouti as goodwill gesture

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hey why don't they release Charles Manson as a sop to other psychopathic killers?

Why do only the Israelis make "goodwill" gestures? When was the last time the Palis made a "goodwill" gesture? No, not the fake "cease-fire" during which they continued to launch rockets.

re: #158 Son of the Black Dog

May the weather be 35 degrees and a hard rain.

THAT would be a sign...well, maybe.

re: #156 Eowyn2

I dont understand it either.
What are people teaching their kids?

Exactly. I guess FurryOldGuyJeans has it right: hate. AFAIC, it's a form of child abuse.

Larry Eagleberger said on MSNBC over lunch that our P-Elect doesn't know foreign policy from a hole in the wall. Andrea Mitchell was not pleased.

re: #148 3 wood

Me, me, me, me! I want a bailout. I need a bailout. I deserve a bailout. Why do I deserve it?

I dunno. But as long as we are bailing out I should get my fair share. Come on, Bambi! Spread that wealth!

re: #167 vagabond trader

i get it alot from asian people, they think that jews control 85% of wallstreet, asians seem to have a weird fasicination with jews, i don't know if its antisemitism or just ignorance, but whatever it is they think were way richer and successful than we really are.

re: #162 Iron Fist

The "Million Man March" may not have hit a million people, but it was nevertheless huge. I've helped organize a rally at the Lincoln Memorial. We got a crowd that the Washington Post estimated at around 20000. To fill up the Mall the way that the MMM did they had to have 200000 people. Very impressive. When you look at the organizers and you see anti-white and anti-semitic bigots, it's kind of troubling that they got that many people to turn out.

I deliberately mentioned the MMM since that too was a media creation as to the turnout. This 4 million inaugural estimate IMNHO is just religious dogma by the media meant to glorify The One's Reign.

re: #143 tfc3rid

Free love! It's gonna be like Woodstck for the Moonbats!

In the middle of January?

Oh, the imagery! All those pale butts in the mud!

Desecrating a Jewish cemetery is a social taboo, even though it happens very often here in Germany.
Afterwards, many german politicians condemn those anti-semitic acts - the same politicians who constantly blame Israel, participate in rallies with Hamas and hallucinate about the "Zionist conspiracy".

In short: it is very easy to distance oneself from such acts (I mean: who wants to be associated with people who are desecrating graves?) and have the warm feeling to be on the "good side".

But many politicians remained silent about an anti-semitic act that happened some days ago: some thousand students and leftists gathered at the University of Berlin, demonstrating for "better education".
The mob stormed the university and destroyed an exhibition about deported and murdered jewish managers in the Nazi-era. They screamed "Death to Israel!" and "Anti-Capitalista!", threatening some managers at a lecture. Of course, none of those rioters considers himself as an anti-semite.

Here is a video if the incident:

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

re: #165 tfc3rid

Was our President Elect at the Million Man March?

If not I am sure He will soon write about having been there if it becomes important to His Reign.

re: #173 Iron Fist

Me, me, me, me!

My teenage daughter was wearing a tee shirt yesterday with exactly that silk screened on.

re: #176 unreconstructed rebel

The taxpayers will end up paying for 250,000 cases of bronchitis and walking pneumonia.

re: #165 tfc3rid

I don't know. As big as it was, it'd kind of be surprising if he wasn't there.

re: #158 Son of the Black Dog

May the weather be 35 degrees and a hard rain.

An ice-storm would be perfect.

re: #173 Iron Fist

But as long as we are bailing out I should get my fair share. Come on, Bambi! Spread that wealth!

Hey, it's patriotic to pay more in taxes, dontchaknow?

Just ask Uncle Joe if you don't believe me.

re: #182 unreconstructed rebel

An ice-storm would be perfect.

An eclipse as well would be simply delicious.

re: #184 FurryOldGuyJeans

An eclipse as well would be simply delicious.

As long as there's no star in the East!

re: #175 FurryOldGuyJeans

I deliberately mentioned the MMM since that too was a media creation as to the turnout. This 4 million inaugural estimate IMNHO is just religious dogma by the media meant to glorify The One's Reign.

Our motto is APOTHEOSIS NOW!

well see how tolerant Europe is now thats its economy is in the shitter, i predict Blaming jews becomes the solution to their financial problems

And i shake my head at the crazy jews who ever thought this was a good idea, yeah i mean why wouldn't you want to live in a society who thought of you as a disease and murdered 6 million.

I couldn't find the article in the German-language pages. I tried searching "Erfurt", "schweinisch", etc.

re: #181 Iron Fist

I don't know. As big as it was, it'd kind of be surprising if he wasn't there.

Probably with Rev. Wright..

re: #185 jamgarr

As long as there's no star in the East!

The One will be proclaimed as being His Own Star.

re: #174 pegcity

I read an article a while back about the Japanese and anti semitism.It's almost trendy, iirc. Very strange since we have not had a lot of history with each other.Oh to be as wealthy as some portray all of us to be.

Franken holding NY fundraiser with Gore, Soros

After stopping in Washington tomorrow to meet with Democratic Senate leaders, Al Franken will be heading to New York on Thursday for a reception and dinner with two Democrats loathed by much of the Republican base: former Vice President Al Gore and billionaire Democratic donor George Soros.

The event will double as a fundraiser to help Franken's campaign pay for the recount. Franken currently trails Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) by 206 votes.

The first $2,300 individuals donate goes directly to Franken's campaign to pay for the recount. Individuals can donate an additional $10,000, which would go to the state Democratic party's recount efforts.

Franken asks board to delay certifying vote count

Only minutes before the state Canvassing Board is scheduled to direct a recount of the U.S. Senate race, DFLer Al Franken's campaign says that the initial count of votes is incomplete and is asking the board to postpone finalizing the count until all precincts are accounted for.

If the board accepted Franken's argument, the recount scheduled to begin Wednesday would be delayed until what the campaign calls incomplete vote counts in at least 49 counties were completed.

In a statement, Sen. Norm Coleman's campaign manager Cullen Sheehan said that "the Franken campaign has now clearly shown they will do anything and everything they can to turn this Minnesota recount into another Florida." He was referring to the prolonged and disputed presidential recount in Florida in 2000, finally resolved in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coleman unofficially leads Franken by 215 votes, going into the canvassing board's meeting set to begin at 1 p.m.

/what a desperate asshole

re: #180 Bumr50

The taxpayers will end up paying for 250,000 cases of bronchitis and walking pneumonia.

Welcome to nationalized health care.

re: #190 FurryOldGuyJeans

The One will be proclaimed as being His Own Star.

Anyone looked to see if there is a comet storm coming through that night? ;-)>

re: #183 3 wood

looks like tank city coming up at the end of the day here

re: #193 Killian Bundy

Staying my tongue.

re: #183 3 wood

I've been patriotic enough. Besides, ask not what you can do for your Country, ask what's your Country has done for you lately, right?

Isn't that how the Obamessiah plans on guiding our country into bigger, and better Government sponsored shit?

(We're hosed. Well and truly hosed)

But I am sure the people who did this are fighting against the Jihadis so we can overlook a little prank to let off some steam, right?

/ (Channeling GoV)

re: #93 Alouette

So then, why are Muslim cashiers at general suprtmarkets in the UK and Minnesota (like Target stores) refusing to allow customers to purchase alcohol and pork products at their registers?

because it gives them power over infidels

re: #140 Iron Fist

In most states you don't need a permit to own firearms. You need a permit to carry most places, though. I guess it's just the way I was raised, but I'm always surprised when someone says they don't own a gun. Not many people around here could say that and be telling the truth

I live in Jersey. Went to a local gun shop and the owner and a few fellows were kind enough and considerate enough to tell me what I needed. I can't get a permit to carry from my town, as they are the ones who would issue tht permit to own and transport -- to a range. Nobody, it seems get CCW or carrying permits around here in Bergen County. I was also told that the municipality I have get the permit or license stalls for at least six months.

re: #192 vagabond trader

I read an article a while back about the Japanese and anti semitism.It's almost trendy, iirc. Very strange since we have not had a lot of history with each other.Oh to be as wealthy as some portray all of us to be.

i get it alot from Chinese immigrants i worked with.

i had to explain to them that israel isn't built out of gold and everyone dosent drive a porsche.

re: #66 bellamags

Also in the Polish towns the German military used the Jewish headstones in the cemeteries to pave the roads ... and then destroyed as many burial records as they could.

re: #171 subsailor68

Exactly. I guess FurryOldGuyJeans has it right: hate. AFAIC, it's a form of child abuse.

I'm glad I had the parents I had.

re: #202 pegcity

i get it alot from Chinese immigrants i worked with.

i had to explain to them that israel isn't built out of gold and everyone dosent drive a porsche.

there are nooo cats in america and the streets are paved with cheese.

re: #130 Nevergiveup

Last update - 18:53 18/11/2008

Abbas said to ask Olmert to free Barghouti as goodwill gesture

Or Olmert could show goodwill to the innocents Barghouti will surely have murdered in the future if he is released, and hang him instead.

re: #163 3 wood

This market is beating me. Strong floors give way. Is P/E 1,2 or 3 the future?

DOW now down 131

re: #196 sadhu

looks like tank city coming up at the end of the day here

Bombs away!

One of my friends from high school never invited any of us to come to her home. No overnights, no come in and meet my folks. I feared that perhaps she lived in an abusive home and I asked her about it, privately. She told me that her mother was a holocaust survivor and that she would sometimes scream out or cry uncontrollably and that is why she never brought anyone home to meet her family. She eventually did let me meet her mother. I saw the ink on her arm. It all made a profound impression on me. God bless them.

re: #201 Gang of One

You could sue. After the Heller decision I think you'd have a case. But I'm not a lawyer. I've always lived in gun-friendly states. Moving to one that isn't is not one of the things on my "ToDo" list. Ever.

re: #202 pegcity

Chicoms? Then my guess would be ye olde communist indoctrination plays a role here.Oldest trick in the book to heap blame on people you have had minimal contact with.

re: #208 3 wood

DOW now down 131

And for the rest of the story- down 1500 (15%) since Obama was elected.

re: #203 Bobibutu

Before the liberation of Jerusalem in 1967, the Occupying Jordanians also used the ancient Jewish headstones from the Holy Mount of Olives to pave roads, as latrines, and otherwise broke them up and desecrated them.

This doesn't even get into what they did to the Temple Mount, Western Wall, and the Jewish sections of Jerusalem before 1967, or even what the Arab's did to a Torah in Hebron a couple months ago, or Joseph's Tomb in 2000.

The behaviors you describe of the Germans, didn't end with them. They are very much alive today.

re: #211 Iron Fist

You could sue. After the Heller decision I think you'd have a case. But I'm not a lawyer. I've always lived in gun-friendly states. Moving to one that isn't is not one of the things on my "ToDo" list. Ever.

Believe me, I'd love to get out of NJ sooner than later, but I made a commitment and will be here for another three, at least. Really don't want to be unarmed. Will have to try everything legal.

re: #207 experiencedtraveller

This market is beating me. Strong floors give way. Is P/E 1,2 or 3 the future?

Historically the S&P 500 is at about 15.4 times earnings in average. If you divide the S&P by 15.4 you get and average earnings of $53.90 rounded.

Last summer it was priced at about $92 a share.

I think the market is under-priced right now, which means several things.

1. People are spooked by the bad news.

2. Discounting for the Marxist polices of Obama.

3. Some rich investors (such as Soros) are purposefully hammering the market with short sales to pound the market artificially low so Obama can look like a hero when they stop doing it.

re: #214 WrathofG-d

But don't flush a Koran! That's like, a major Felony with a cherry on top. There might even be riots.

re: #215 Gang of One

Good luck.

re: #153 pegcity

i found out that the Rothschilds control all the worlds money, its amazing what people will say to you when they don't know your jewish

Jews have horns, too.

re: #217 Iron Fist

Funny how any shmuck at a University can name you all the old Arab "cities" that were supposedly destroyed by Israel's creation, but they willfully know nothing about the horrible desecration by the Arabs as recent as this year.

re: #213 opinionated

And for the rest of the story- down 1500 (15%) since Obama was elected.

Sorry, i was neglectful in my reporting duties. good catch.

Ladies and gentlemen, the NYT stock price just broke the $7.00 barrier and dipped down to $6.98.

Go for it .

re: #215 Gang of One
If I may point out an option?
Take an intense personal self defence course!
I took one 20 years ago and still feel I can go toe to toe with only one wit only a 4 inch blade!

re: #218 Iron Fist

Good luck.

Thanks, Iron. I'm truly gonna need it.

Now, it's time to take a break.

BBL.

Related: Obama's Win Brings Racist Remarks From Europe

Interesting article, with a number of examples of ourtright racist remarks by various Euro honchos.

Excerpt - Julian Bond comments (and I agree with him on this):

Julian Bond, chairman of the NAACP, says, "The big difference here is that the United States has been thinking about and dealing with race since we were founded. These countries in Europe are relative newcomers to the conversation about race. They are much less familiar with confronting their own bigotry."

Until the 20th century, many European countries lacked substantial populations of racial minorities. In recent decades, the influx of immigrants, many from former colonies, has stirred racial tensions on the continent.

Bond adds, "I have always thought that European countries are more bigoted than the U.S."

re: #172 jamgarr

Larry Eagleberger said on MSNBC over lunch that our P-Elect doesn't know foreign policy from a hole in the wall. Andrea Mitchell was not pleased.

Point out that the New Messiah has no robe does not go over well with the MSM.

re: #153 pegcity

i found out that the Rothschilds control all the worlds money, its amazing what people will say to you when they don't know your jewish

World's richest Jew loses billions in wake of global financial crisis

U.S. Jewish billionaire Sheldon Adelson lost an approximated $10 billion in October, after shares in his Las Vegas Sands (LVS) corporation fell by 80% since the beginning of the month, according to an assessment made by "Forbes" magazine.

re: #112 subsailor68

I just don't understand the antipathy to the Jewish people. I really don't. I grew up in NY, and most of my friends were Jewish.

Anti-Semitism is a ressentment and it has nothing to do with the actual behavior or sometimes even the presence of Jews. Therefor, I think it's impossible to understand it in an empathic way and one can only analyze the behavior of the Anti-Semite.
One of the best works about this issue is Adorno/Horkheimers Dialectic of Enlightenment, Chapter 5.

Oil is down to $54.34 a barrel too

re: #222 reloadingisnotahobby

If I may point out an option?
Take an intense personal self defence course!
I took one 20 years ago and still feel I can go toe to toe with only one wit only a 4 inch blade!

Got it covered. Doing Shaolin Long Fist, Shuia Chiao and weapons training. Will be black sash in a year or so.

Now I really gotta go.

re: #220 WrathofG-d

Jews don't have a habit of blowing up people with whom they disagree. Mohammedans, on the other hand, do. Consequently they get treated like they were fragile baby birds or something. Mustn't harsh their mellow. They are such mellow folks, aren't they?

re: #231 Iron Fist

Interesting lesson to be learned there I think.

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

Pelf? Now there's a word you don't hear every day. I had to look it up. thought it had to be a typo. It's not.

re: #221 3 wood

Sorry, i was neglectful in my reporting duties. good catch.

The NASDAQ is down near 20%.

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

We will all go home one way or another.

(ok now time for break from LGF)

re: #225 Catttt

Bond adds, "I have always thought that European countries are more bigoted than the U.S."

Now there's damning with faint praise.

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

It's hard out here for a pelf.

I loved that movie!

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

re: #228 gegenkritik

Thanks so much to both you folks. I've learned something today - but it's an education that makes me sad.

Must go, but again - thank you.

There is actually one upside to this sort of attack on the cemeteries. Yes, the vandalism is repugnant, but incidents like this remind Germans of what their country once did to the jews. In Dachau, there stands a monument with "Nie Wieder" (Never Again) in dozens of languages.

As we all know, the one sure way for a nation or organization to repeat an evil or stupid act, is to forget it ever happened. Having it thrown back in their face (even though that wasn't the perpetrators' intent) prevents anyone from forgetting.

re: #170 Right mind left

THAT would be a sign...well, maybe.

33 degrees and some sleet...

re: #178 FurryOldGuyJeans

If not I am sure He will soon write about having been there if it becomes important to His Reign.

The Audacity of Marching Your Ass Off.

re: #184 FurryOldGuyJeans

An eclipse as well would be simply delicious.

hahahahahahahahahaahahhaa

re: #191 buzzsawmonkey

buzz, that's interesting, but I think facile and wrong. What it says in a nutshell is that the Jews are "other", but being middle-class is not other, and being other is not middle-class. It's a Marxist bent to even consider the issue as one of class.

Plus, I don't see anything in Jewishness, religious or cultural, that is necessarily middle-class. Plenty of lower-class Jews in history and currently, though it's the upper-class Jews get the attention in history and now.

the fight of militant Islam vs. the West / modernity is far far from over.

It is at the stage of two animals circling, looking for an opening.

We dare not tempt them with weakness, but I think Obama will tempt them thus.

re: #174 pegcity

My son's M.I.L. was a jewish refuge in shanghi during ww2 it seems the japanese believed in the german propaganda that jews in america were all powerful so for some reason they didn't send the jews that were in shanghi back to germany maybe they were worried about what would happen if japan lost the war. hard to say since they did not put it in writing, there was a japanese diplomat in one of the nordic countries that gave out thousands of visas to jews who ended up in shanghi, after the war the japanese gov't punished him for breaking the law. sad to say. He was honored by Yad-shem but mosty after he had died poor and forgotten.

re: #205 Eowyn2

my kids were too young for that movie but i liked it.

re: #5 Thanos

If there's a pig head and broken glass involved then that decreases the potential that Muslim immigrants were root cause of the desecration...

Indeed. Some ills of the world have nothing to do with Islam. This very much looks like a case in point.

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

YES THAT VERY MAN he is with G-D now for sure.

re: #142 Charles

It was probably a German headline that made some reference to the pig's head, and it was translated badly. Germans aren't really known for inserting puns into news headlines.

I think rather that it's a feature of German. Where in English we might say loutish or brutish; the Germans would say swinish and capture both meanings.

The thing becomes a blatant pun only when carried over into English. In German, the word is fitting and apt.

It is very ironic that people who despise Jews go so far out of their way to deny the Holocaust - one would imagine that these vile poeple would be proud of their despicable heroes' horrific accomplishments. I suppose it is futile to try and make sense of lunacy, though.

re: #10 quickjustice

West Germany certainly did not "root out the Nazis." Many Nazis lived out full lives without ever being brought to trial and those who did, were brought with great resistance from many in their community. The difference is West Germany has experienced more economic success than the East and consequently there have been fewer fringe groups acting out.

re: #140 Iron Fist

I guess it's just the way I was raised, but I'm always surprised when someone says they don't own a gun. Not many people around here could say that and be telling the truth

Perhaps it's telling that my hubby, a firearms expert, helped facilitate an event here in Sunny Central Texas last weekend: "Jews with .22s"

But the people that did this...they hate Islam...so it's all good.
/sarc

re: #255 aggieann

Perhaps it's telling that my hubby, a firearms expert, helped facilitate an event here in Sunny Central Texas last weekend: "Jews with .22s"

There used to be a lot of bumper stickers with that on it where I went to high school.

re: #257 Quilly Mammoth

Actually, I think it was "Every Jew a .22". Rabbi Kahane promoted that.

re: #142 Charles

It was probably a German headline that made some reference to the pig's head, and it was translated badly.

Hmmmm... I just went to the German version of the Deutsche Welle news site and did a search for some key terms from the story (such as the town, Erfurt, and the quoted official, Katrin Goering-Eckardt) -- and apparently the story about this recent cemetery desecration has not yet appeared on the German-language site under any headline. (There were no hits for Goering-Eckhardt, and three stories in which the town Erfurt was mentioned in passing, but none of those had anything to do with pig's heads or cemeteries.)

Following up on my #259: Of course, the fact that the story isn't on the Deutsch Welle German-language site doesn't mean they're covering it up or anything -- but simply that the source for the English-language article must've been a different German news site, and not DW.

Antisemitism in Germany? You must be joking (NOT!) I didn't see alot of it in Western Germany when I was growing up there as a military brat nor when I was stationed there. I did see more racism towards blacks, and other minorities. I recall walking out of a club when one of the guys in my squadron wasn't allowed in. When we asked about it, the guy at the door told us that "black people mean trouble" so, we all left.
Eastern Germany itself is a totally different situation. The GDR did little to purge itself of the traditions and customs of the Third Reich and its predecesors. If you look at the uniforms of the former East German military, their customs and ceremonies it's very visible. The state pretty much blamed the west for the holocaust and as far as I know, the DDR government never apologized for the holocaust or officially recognized the state of Israel. I don't know what the kids in the East are taught in
school now I was teaching adults . I do remember an incident when we
covered a unit about immigration. One of the questions was "Where do most of the immigrants to your country come from?" (or some such nonsense) and immediately they mentioned Turks ("They come here and seell drugs, take our women and our jobs.") I let them dig their graves even deeper. When I mentioned to them that my wife is Turkish and so are my kids, I got "uuuuh, we didn't really mean that, some turks are good blah blah blah ."
The situation in the east is bizarre. The region where I lived had over 20 percent unemployment, yet the government still placed asylum seekers and "returnees" from Russia and the Balkans there because of the abundance of empty apartments left from all the people going to the west and the shutdown soviet and east german military facilities.
Add, the Harz IV welfare cuts, the lack of education, and abuse various chemical substances (legal and illegal) into the mix, and it can be quite a volatile mix.
Skinheads and nazis seem to have changed their tactics.I didn't see alot of bareheaded bomberjacketed combat boot wearing thugs. Instead, I recall a friend of mine and I meeting a long haired college professor looking jackass while sitting in a pub who showed us some SS runes and eagle and swastika patch he had stashed in his wallet, while insisting on trying to buy us a drink after congratulating us on the war with Iraq and telling us it was "time that the white man thought for himself". Needless to say, I told him I was Jewish (I'm not but it was fun watching this jackass squirm). My buddy and I didn't drink with him and restrained each other from pummeling the shit out of the guy.
That said, there is quite a strong resistance movement to the neonazis. I can remember at least 4 anti nazi rallies happening in like 8 months time in the city where I lived.
Whenever the BRAC commision meets and decides to close more facilities in Europe, I think about the nazis and racism still there. I realize perhaps having bases in these locations maybe isn't exactly a strategic importance, but it could be a deterrent against future problems. The last time I went back to the base on the Mosel where I was stationed (now a civilian airport) a waitress at a gasthaus said something like "When the americans were here we asked ourself why they were here and when they would go. Now that they're gone, we want them back. The economy here is bad and its dangerous to go to certain places at night". After the AF pulled out, the base housing was given to "asylum seekers" and eastern european "refugees".

re: #112 subsailor68

I just don't understand the antipathy to the Jewish people. I really don't. I grew up in NY, and most of my friends were Jewish. I loved them, loved and respected their parents, loved being in their homes, and being asked to celebrate the holidays with them. I love them still, even though I don't see them much anymore.

The bile, hatred, violence - it's more than tragic, it's diabolical. If it comes to it, trust me, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with my Jewish friends.

And no, I am not Jewish. Just an American.

That is much appreciated subsailor....but there will never be another jewish holocaust in the USA, we are too well armed for that.