Oh don't screw with NSA!

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

"Strategic patience". THat means waiting for the fallout to decay before you go outside to look for survivors, right?

*SPIT!*

Anyone that says this doesn't affect the stock market is simply not being rational.

Israel, time to protect yourself. We certainly won't.

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

please indicate a time America ever did.

Submit or die I guess is the message from this administration.

The fox is sure in the hen house now. Most Americans have no clue, either.

I don't understand what happened, they said they only wanted nuclear power for its energy!

We're doomed...

And i always thought Canadians were dumb for electing Liberals.

re: #6 pegcity

please indicate a time America ever did.

Until recently we have been doing benign protection by not getting too hysterical whenever Israel protects herself. That benign protection is being withdrawn.

Holy cow, what a shocker! What next, a ban on assault weapons? Higher taxes? Defense spending cuts? I can't handle the suspense.

I'm at a loss for words. This is so asinine.

re: #9 bosforus

Yeah, it's ok for Iran to want and use nuke power for us? Hells no....

Just one word about sums it up.

fuck

In context with the CIA title, poor use of acronyms on Cerens part. Turns out the author confused National Security Advisor with National Security Agency (No Such Agency)

re: #16 saberry0530

I cannot improve on your summation.

re: #12 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yup security council Veto, thanks i forgot about that

re: #17 Outrider

In context with the CIA title, poor use of acronyms on Cerens part. Turns out the author confused National Security Advisor with National Security Agency (No Such Agency)

You really except accuracy from the MSM? That the writer even bothered to spell out NSA surprised me.

Again, I want to know, when does the guy jump out and say "You got punked!"

I mean, this isn't real, it's all a joke, a big, sick, joke, right?

Interesting there's a guy named Jim Jones on the 30th anniversary of Jonestown.

Mmm. Yummy Kool-Aid.

Strategic Patience.....
Europe 1936 to 1939.....

When do we learn that an "undivided Jerusalem" means that the Palis get it all?

This, coupled with the rumor that he will likely reverse any wiretapping policy that Bush implemented, is going to make things worse for a lot more than just Israel.

Remember the liquid bomb plot 2 years ago? That's the sort of shit we can start expecting to succeed. Mark my words.

I presume that after using the word unpredictable we see ////

re: #23 jcm

Strategic Patience.....
Europe 1936 to 1939.....

The PLO Phased Plan.....

Rahm Emanuel's appointment was designed to blunt criticism of appointments of anti-Israel types to high-profile foreign policy/nat'l security positions. I predict he will use it later when he acutally implements anti-Israel policies. The bonus is that as Obama's chief of staff, Emanuel is also muzzled. No one here is fooled, but obviously Slick Barry got it by the majority of jewish voters. :(

... I hold in my hand a piece of paper ....

re: #21 Guanxi88

Again, I want to know, when does the guy jump out and say "You got punked!"

I mean, this isn't real, it's all a joke, a big, sick, joke, right?

I think that happen the evening of Nov. 4th, few were paying attention.

And what in blazes is "strategic patience" anyway? Is that crossing your fingers and hoping really, really hard that you won't have to do anything?

re: #24 jamgarr

When do we learn that an "undivided Jerusalem" means that the Palis get it all?

That has been the case for quite a while now, just not something getting a lot of attention.

I have a little advice for our friends in Israel. If you don't have them yet, start building fallout shelters, and keep your powder dry. It's apparent that you're next to get thrown under Obama's bus. You're on your own now. I wish you good luck and pray for your safety.

"We're as doomed as doomed can be."

- Ed Grimly

And Eric Holder will be attorney general!

re: #20 FurryOldGuyJeans

You really except accuracy from the MSM? That the writer even bothered to spell out NSA surprised me.

I've never seen National Security Advisor use that acronym before. NSA has always been National Security Agency. Given the MSM hatred of NSA (The Ft Meade one) and their fixation on it for the last few years, I would think they could perhaps manage some accuracy.

So basically it's "lets just give Lebanon to Hezbollah." I expected the Obamamaniacs to sell the Jews down the river, but I thought they might wait a year or too before selling the few remaining Christians down the river as well. At least the Israelis can defend themselves. This is going to get ugly quick.

re: #11 pegcity

And i always thought Canadians were dumb for electing Liberals.

We didn't elect a liberal. Lieberman is a Liberal. We elected a socialist or communist. Take your pick?

So, if Israel wants to attack Iran during a sympathetic adminstration, it would do so before year-end. Get ready.

oh F*&^%^ S(&*H

re: #24 jamgarr

When do we learn that an "undivided Jerusalem" means that the Palis get it all?

Shhh... (Thats a secret!)

Brennan published a long article on Iran in July 2008, expressing a benign view

Great. Another pu*** in the Obama administration.

I suppose what is important to note is that (apparently) these folks are not asshats. I can sleep peacefully again!

re: #38 Nevergiveup

Time for Joe to switch parties?

re: #22 JammieWearingFool

Interesting there's a guy named Jim Jones on the 30th anniversary of Jonestown.

Mmm. Yummy Kool-Aid.

This morning on NPR they mentioned the anniversary, and referred to the beverage as "punch." Maybe "Kool-Aid" hits too close to home for them, or something.

re: #42 red satellite

Great. Another pu*** in the Obama administration.

Benign in that they will wait to attack until they get the bomb.

You've heard of glass half full? Meet glass totally empty. Always expect the worse, and one is seldom disappointed.

re: #25 astronmr20

This, coupled with the rumor that he will likely reverse any wiretapping policy that Bush implemented, is going to make things worse for a lot more than just Israel.

Remember the liquid bomb plot 2 years ago? That's the sort of shit we can start expecting to succeed. Mark my words.

indeed and agreed
though way less sophisticated plots are unraveled frequently by people that will leave goverment service, especially foreign outpostings, as 0bama and comrades take over and poison the working atmosphere

again, do not fly overseas of you can avoid it
especially after 1-20-2009

And this in only the beginning!

'....It would not be foolhardy, however, for the United States to tolerate, and even to encourage, greater assimilation of Hezbollah into Lebanon’s political system.'

. As the rattlesnake is assimilated by the fieldmouse.

re: #45 unreconstructed rebel

He just got slammed by the Dems and was acting very contrite for having gone off the reservation. So, nope.

re: #24 jamgarr

When do we learn that an "undivided Jerusalem" means that the Palis get it all?

The Israelis don't give a shit, most of the Jews in Jerusalem are those stinking ultra-Orthodox, they should be glad to get rid of them

/yes there is anti-Semitism in Israel too

re: #47 FurryOldGuyJeans

Benign in that they will wait to attack until they get the bomb.

Exactly.

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

And Eric Holder will be attorney general!

Oh for the love of God... This is insanity...

...the worst...[for pete's sake].

Suppose I should go to Wal-mart and pick up prayer mats for the family while supplies last. Now which direction am I supposed to face?

May I call him a shit heel now?

Israel, with no friend left in the world, will have to look out for her own interests and preserve her own survival in the only ways she has available. The world war begins next year at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

re: #11 pegcity

And i always thought Canadians were dumb for electing Liberals.

two wrongs do not make a right.

re: #57 RightLogic

Suppose I should go to Wal-mart and pick up prayer mats for the family while supplies last. Now which direction am I supposed to face?

I don't think it matters as long as your butt's in the air.

John Brennan believes he can out-negotiate the ones he refers to admiringly as 'carpet merchants.'
John, do you mind if we call you "Patsy?"

re: #60 Eowyn2

two wrongs do not make a right.

Neither do a whole bunch of Lefts.

re: #57 RightLogic

Now which direction am I supposed to face?

That applies to all your toilets, too.

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Islamic Bomb.
By General James L. Jones & John Brennan

Obama's foreign policy can be summed up in two words: Pre-emptive appeasement.

I am looking forward to the positive spin the MSM will apply to successful bomb scenarios. Another good thing about living in the flyover state. The worst to fear is fallout.

U.S. national security would be best served if Washington publicly acknowledged and explored the roots of this shift in Iranian state support for terrorist activities ... the new U.S. administration must be willing to exercise strategic patience....It would not be foolhardy, however, for the United States to tolerate, and even to encourage, greater assimilation of Hezbollah into Lebanon’s political system.

Un-Fucking-Believeable!

that whole line about Israel blocking arms shipments to the PA......

what on earth do they need arms for anyway ?

it's not like ANYONE would want to conquer that sh1thole

they need less weapons, not more

and after all, didn't Bush call Islam a religion of peace
if it is an Islamic state (Gaza) then why have any arms
since they are all peaceful ?

re: #61 doppelganglander

I don't think it matters as long as your butt's in the air.

You have to bow towards Mecca. I would rather bend over away.

So, after all is said and done, how many American Jews voted for Obama?

So when will Obama start cracking down on Jewish Charities for giving aid to Israel since they keep undermining the Messiah's peace plans for the ME?

re: #65 ploome hineni

I want to see Israel and all those 'Jewish Leaders' rationalize this shit

You won't be disappointed.

re: #37 rexatosis

So basically it's "lets just give Lebanon to Hezbollah." I expected the Obamamaniacs to sell the Jews down the river, but I thought they might wait a year or too before selling the few remaining Christians down the river as well. At least the Israelis can defend themselves. This is going to get ugly quick.

wait until they find out they also sold the gays, agnostics, and atheists down the river. Entire western civilization.

re: #60 Eowyn2

two wrongs do not make a right.

No, but three rights make a left. :)

re: #69 Drill_Thrawl

Un-Fucking-Believeable!

No fuckingObama!

re: #44 taxfreekiller

Ah, with all due respect TFK, the pales have been blaming the Jews for all the "work accidents", the fake bombs through ambulances, multiple killings and Jenin-style massacres, all known to be fake but the media reports it as the truth and the world condemns Israel.

I see nothing changing, in fact, getting worse.

re: #68 iowavette
MSM is going to hire "Bahgdad Bob" to explain away all the bombs.

Jones prepared a report on Israel’s policies in the territories... The World Tribune said it “blasted Israel’s role” for “hampering the movement of PA forces, blocking plans for weapons shipments and technology to the Palestinians and resisting coordination.”

Excuse me, but I'd like to see the actual report by Jones, not what some potentially biased news outlet "says" it said, before condemning him as anti-Israel.

The Brennan quote, on the other hand, has me really worried. "Encourage Hezbollah" in Lebanon?

So thus far I have mixed reactions to this news. More evidence on Jones, please.

I want some Quietus just in case.

The discussion at the moment in Israel is "Do we use nukes on their installations or just conventional weapons?" They would be a bunch of damn fools to be thinking otherwise.

re: #72 Rancher

So, after all is said and done, how many American Jews voted for Obama?

About 78% is the figure I've seen.

re: #79 Cathypop

What bombs? There won't be ANY freaking reports on the attacks, only the responses by Israel will be worthy of notice.

Hell's bells. Well...Steven Den Beste predicted nuclear war between Israel and Iran during Obama's administration....
The saddest part in this whole mess, is that there are some people who will actually be surprised by this.

re: #76 obscured by clouds

No, but three rights make a left. :)

ok, levity time....

you start out at home and take a walk
you take a right, a left, a left, a left
you come back home and two men with masks are waiting for you

who are they ?

re: #58 vagabond trader

May I call him a shit under the heel now?

Yes, you may.

re: #83 Last Mohican

About 78% is the figure I've seen.

Yes, but they only did it to "keep abortion legal"

/my mother

re: #82 Shr_Nfr

The discussion at the moment in Israel is "Do we use nukes on their installations or just conventional weapons?" They would be a bunch of damn fools to be thinking otherwise.

Also; we should go before Jan. 20 so we can overfly Iraq.

re: #88 Alouette

Yes, but they only did it to "keep abortion legal"

/my mother

Pretty much all of our mothers, brothers, sisters, et al., I'm afraid.

re: #88 Alouette

Yes, but they only did it to "keep abortion legal"

/my mother

You know that is not a joke. It is pretty close to the truth.

re: #65 ploome hineni

I want to see Israel and all those 'Jewish Leaders' rationalize this shit

Sorry to say this, but AIPAC, which was told by the ONE, that Jerusalem would never be divided, is going to be replaced by J Street, a very leftist but sorta-kinda pro-Israel organization. J Street believes a divided Jerusalem is essential to peace. *spit*

Yep, that "dirty word", Israel.

Something tells me that we will have a plethora of opportunities to say, "I told you so" over the course of the next four years.

It would not be foolhardy, however, for the United States to tolerate, and even to encourage, greater assimilation of Hezbollah into Lebanon’s political system.

"Change we can believe in! (if we're hardcore Islamfascist terrorists)" Wow. Just wow.

re: #94 poopeedoo

Something tells me that we will have a plethora of opportunities to say, "I told you so" over the course of the next four years.

That's cold comfort.

re: #94 poopeedoo

Something tells me that we will have a plethora of opportunities to say, "I told you so" over the course of the next four years.

Save our breath, just make a bumper sticker....

re: #83 Last Mohican

About 78% is the figure I've seen.

And it were the kids. NPR reported on the Great Schlep to Florida to talk the grandparents into voting for The One.

re: #94 poopeedoo

Something tells me that we will have a plethora of opportunities to say, "I told you so" over the course of the next four yearsfirst hundred days.

Well, if we go by Bush's phrase "You're either with us or against us", looks like the incomming administration is against us.

Wonderful! We're in deep doo-doo people.

re: #23 jcm

Yup, first thing I thought of; "patience" = "twiddle thumbs while Israel's enemies roll". [ptui]

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

And 'this is all because George Bush failed us all...'

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

And the answer will be, "Yes, but you were just being paranoid. Nobody could have foreseen this."

Bet on it.

We do have lots of date stamped comments to back it up.....

re: #94 poopeedoo
Already driving my liberal friends and family crazy with the O jokes and cartoons. HEE HEE

re: #105 Cathypop

Share.

re: #94 poopeedoo

Something tells me that we will have a plethora of opportunities to say, "I told you so" over the course of the next four years.

Let's hope and pray that those opportunities to say "I told you so" end up leave no lasting damage to Israel or our way of life.

re: #105 Cathypop

What, you're forwarding news articles?

re: #86 Adrenalyn

ok, levity time....

you start out at home and take a walk
you take a right, a left, a left, a left
you come back home and two men with masks are waiting for you

who are they ?

Ummm...doctors to fix your body after somebody beat the cr*p out of you?

re: #103 tfc3rid

And 'this is all because George Bush failed us all...'

ok, I see nothing in that statement to disagree with

upding !

re: #65 ploome hineni

I want to see Israel and all those 'Jewish Leaders' rationalize this shit

Can they? Can even the current crop do so?

re: #103 tfc3rid

"Bush, BUSH, BUUUUSHH! *Froth* *FOAM*

re: #91 Nevergiveup

You know that is not a joke. It is pretty close to the truth.

That is the real reason my mother voted for 0 and she is 85 years old!

/she started to hyperventilate when I said she shouldn't worry about getting an abortion

re: #22 JammieWearingFool

Interesting there's a guy named Jim Jones on the 30th anniversary of Jonestown.

Mmm. Yummy Kool-Aid.

More Kool-Aid seemed to jave been handed out right before the election. This time the Kool-Aid give people no memory of Obama's negative side. Just pleasant, peaceful thoughts.

re: #105 Cathypop

Already driving my liberal friends and family crazy with the O jokes and cartoons. HEE HEE

then tell them to wear one of these shirts

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

And Marc Rich applauds.

will Bush pardon Jonathon Pollard before he leaves ?

Did Hillary Clinton make a deal with Obama that if she let him win the election, he would bring in all people Hillary would appoint?

Don't know if this has already been mentioned:

Do I smell a "preemptive strike" in the near future?

JAFLW

re: #117 Adrenalyn

will Bush pardon Jonathon Pollard before he leaves ?

Ramos and campeon?

re: #111 Dianna

Can they? Can even the current crop do so?

Yes they can and yes they will. There is a very leftist move in the US Jewish community (if it can be called that). J Street. I'm not feeling good about it.

re: #83 Last Mohican

For? I've said it before, American Jews don't give a rats ass for Israel. So sad considering that American Jews supported Palestinian Jews to such an extent that the Israeli state became possible.

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

Israel, time to protect yourself. We certainly won't.

Well, we tried, but frankly, I throw up my hands.

re: #117 Adrenalyn

will Bush pardon Jonathon Pollard before he leaves ?

No way

re: #6 pegcity

please indicate a time America ever did.

Most of it is classified. Still.

JAFLW

re: #120 tfc3rid

Ramos and campeon?

Already rejected

re: #120 tfc3rid

Ramos and campeon?

oh, that's a given
for anyone but Bush

he won't do it is my guess
looking at his and his dad's picks, no way

then again, he let some of us down very hard
and it is hard to imagine him suddenly doing something right for a change

re: #108 Guanxi88
What few I find really piss them off. Have quit reading my sisters e-mails

re: #51 Tumulus11

. As the rattlesnake is assimilated by the fieldmouse.

ROTATING TITLE NOMINATION

How screwed is Israel if they will have to count on Hillary - is she is SOS - to be the only "friendly" face for them in the Obama Administration.

I hope that Omri Ceren is wrong, but Obama has surrounded himself with the kind of people who are anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. That these people are also willing to throw Lebanon to the wolves of Hizbullah shouldn't come as a surprise either.

re: #29 unreconstructed rebel

... I hold in my hand a piece of paper ....

Ummm, "never again"?

JAFLW

What "shift" is this joker talking about? The fucking Iranians have been screaming "Death to America!" almost all my life. They've been supporting Hezbollah about as long. So now we're going to make nice with them?

We're well and truly fucked.

The Soros shadow government is back. At least State and CIA will be on the same side of POTUS. The flip side is they might do their own bidding ala military enforced Enron type ripoff deals such as the India energy terminal project.

re: #118 tfc3rid

Did Hillary Clinton make a deal with Obama that if she let him win the election, he would bring in all people Hillary would appoint?

Maybe that's the Hilabeast's plan: sabotage. It would be difficult for her to unseat an incumbent Obama and run in 2012, but if he was a failed incumbent it would be much easier- think LBJ in 1968...

Israel is well and truly on her own. I fear what is going to happen to her (and to us) over the next four years. And Lebanon, too.

re: #134 Iron Fist

No question about it...

re: #132 lawhawk

I hope that Omri Ceren is wrong, but Obama has surrounded himself with the kind of people who are anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. That these people are also willing to throw Lebanon to the wolves of Hizbullah shouldn't come as a surprise either.

These are the "Moral Equivalence" and "Honest Broker" camp. What else would you expect?

re: #38 Nevergiveup

We didn't elect a liberal. Lieberman is a Liberal. We elected a socialist or communist. Take your pick?

Take your pick? We got BOTH in one guy.

JAFLW

Last year form a Haaretz article:

Supreme U.S. commander in Europe calls Israel 'model state'

Craddock also said Israel was the main beneficiary of U.S. security aid funds and was a "critical military partner" in what he called "this entangled seam of the Middle East."

Craddock's comments were unusual for a senior officer in the U.S. military, especially compared with his predecessor, U.S. Marine Corps General James L. Jones, who retired from EUCOM around three months ago. The hearing Craddock spoke at is an annual event. Jones, in his address a year ago, ignored Israel.

re: #137 Ward Cleaver

Israel is well and truly on her own. I fear what is going to happen to her (and to us) over the next four years. And Lebanon, too.

I still hold out some hope that the new President will come to his senses and govern from the Center-Left... It's not looking that way so far...

re: #81 Bumr50

I want some Quietus just in case.

Children of Men

Do I win anything for getting the reference?

~looks into crystal ball~

I see a dim future.....Christian's and Jews persecuted....Armed Thugs running the streets in America....Israeli a smoking crater...the 4th Reich rising in Europe......45% taxation levied by the EU Courts for Americans to pay for environmental crimes....22% unemployment in North America....riots....food shortages.

That will be $20.

re: #48 iowavette

You've heard of glass half full? Meet glass totally empty. Always expect the worse, and one is seldom disappointed.

-Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac

JAFLW

re: #142 tfc3rid

I still hold out some hope that the new President will come to his senses and govern from the Center-Left... It's not looking that way so far...

of course he is going to govern from the center
why, the mainstream media will tell us so, every day
as they celebrate his "rule" from day one

and we know the media would never lie

It was easy up to now for an American Jew or Gentile to pretend to be pro-Israel.

It was even easy to pretend when Israel was pressured unrelentingly by a Republican Administration because Israeli leaders were compliant.

If Israelis elect the Right, there will be conflict with the US.

And for anyone considering themselves pro- Israel, now it will become hard.

For those that have commented on this thread that the US has not protected Israel, that is just plain not true. First, we give to Israel the very latest weaponry. Second, very tightly controlled information is shared. Third and foremost, we have always maintained that Israel is our closest ally and any strike against them is against us. This is a very serious deterrent. Just because we don't have visible active military resources in Israel does not mean that we are not spending US capital to defend them.

re: #146 Adrenalyn

of course he is going to govern from the center
why, the mainstream media will tell us so, every day
as they celebrate his "rule" from day one

and we know the media would never lie

Except they are gonna move the center just a "Tad" to the left!

'Iran will have nukes within two years'

Iran Navy Tightens Grip On Persian Gulf

Attacks continue as Palestinians fire rockets, mortar shells on Shaar HaNegev Regional Council; no injuries or damage reported

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

And Eric Holder will be attorney general!

Does it seem like he is expecting to have some unrest? Prepare your spin doctors, prepare your defense...just like hiding all evidence and making (most of) the MSM mum before election...hmmmm.

re: #148 Big Steve

Who has intimated other wise?

re: #144 Maximu§

re: #144 Maximu§

~looks into crystal ball~

I see a dim future.....Christian's and Jews persecuted....Armed Thugs running the streets in America....Israeli a smoking crater...the 4th Reich rising in Europe......45% taxation levied by the EU Courts for Americans to pay for environmental crimes....22% unemployment in North America....riots....food shortages.

That will be $20.

How's about $1.50; I didn't ask you for the full reading, just the short one, and, frankly, I think you cribbed that from history, and just changed a few names.

Folks should go take a close reading of the source material linked to in the websites lined to above. The report at Middle East Forum mentions Gen Jones' report and refers to 3 news websites for quotes such as "extremely critical…scathing…makes Israel look very bad." But when you go to those news websites (at Haaretz, Jerusalem Post and World Tribune), you can see that the quotes were taken out of context. Haaretz was quoting an unmnamed Isralei source who said he feared the not yet published report would be"extremely critical…scathing…makes Israel look very bad." That's a subtle yet significant difference. The other quotes are similarly taken out of context.

As for the report, the Jerusalem Post article mentions it was never formally released and submitted to Bush only as a draft. The report was said to be equally critical of the US, the Palestinians and Israel for various failures on all parts. Clearly the General is not afraid to speak his mind.

As a USMC General with 40 years of service, he sounds to me like a pretty damn good patriot and a good pick by Obama.

Now the other guy, John Brennan, is more dubious. His partisan involvement in the NIE report is not a good sign.

re: #148 Big Steve

For those that have commented on this thread that the US has not protected Israel, that is just plain not true. First, we give to Israel the very latest weaponry. Second, very tightly controlled information is shared. Third and foremost, we have always maintained that Israel is our closest ally and any strike against them is against us. This is a very serious deterrent. Just because we don't have visible active military resources in Israel does not mean that we are not spending US capital to defend them.

That is true.

However the mutual defense only extend as far as the will of the POTUS does.

re: #127 Nevergiveup

Already rejected

Huh? I don't think so. This is from Nov. 13th:

Instead, Mason said they are continuing with plans to put a commutation order in front of President Bush and are hopeful he will consider it before he leaves office at the end of December. A presidential commutation order would end the agents' sentence.

The commutation order cannot be reviewed by the president until all pending litigation in this case is concluded, and that is why Mason wanted the resentencing over with quickly.

"We contend that this is not pending litigation and we want the commutation order to get to the president's desk," Mason said outside the courtroom. "This was just a record-keeping procedure."

re: #117 Adrenalyn

will Bush pardon Jonathon Pollard before he leaves ?

Maybe he will pardon Sirhan Sirhan.

re: #35 JammieWearingFool

And Eric Holder will be attorney general!

Graduated from Columbia... 'nough said.

re: #157 wrenchwench

I heard differantly on TV: However, Time will tell. I hope I am wrong.

re: #138 tfc3rid

Yeah, I'm spooked, I'll admit it. I still can't believe the Hopey Change Messiah won. I'm not calling the results into question, but I am dumbfounded by the apparent depth of stupidity in the Country. Couldn't we have found somebody better than this Mussolini wannabe arrogant prick? Was Charles Manson not available? He's like a friend of a friend for Obama, after all. That Dorne woman thought old Chuck was cool.

Coming to the Lincoln Bedroom in the near future? It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

re: #148 Big Steve

For those that have commented on this thread that the US has not protected Israel, that is just plain not true. First, we give to Israel the very latest weaponry. Second, very tightly controlled information is shared. Third and foremost, we have always maintained that Israel is our closest ally and any strike against them is against us. This is a very serious deterrent. Just because we don't have visible active military resources in Israel does not mean that we are not spending US capital to defend them.

I was wondering where you saw something on this thread that supports your comment.

re: #148 Big Steve

For those that have commented on this thread that the US has not protected Israel, that is just plain not true. First, we give to Israel the very latest weaponry. Second, very tightly controlled information is shared. Third and foremost, we have always maintained that Israel is our closest ally and any strike against them is against us.

The Egyptians and particularly the Saudis also receive top of the line equipment.

What's you definition of a "strike"? In 1967, the US did not even honor a pledge made in 1956- in return for an Israeli withdrawal out of the Sinai- to break any attempt to blockade Israeli shipping. One American ship sailing to Eilat may have prevented the 1967 war.

re: #111 Dianna

Can they? Can even the current crop do so?

Yes, American Jews won't even break stride for this one. I watch the Jewbat mind in action, on a daily basis. It's a staggering thing to see.

November 2008: "Well, so what if Barack Obama has spent his whole life in an anti-Semitic hate group? That's no reason to think he'll act unfavorably toward Israel as president."

December 2008: "Well, so what if Barack Obama chose a Hizbollah apologist to head the CIA? Obama is right. Refusing to deal with terrorists doesn't get you anywhere. Let's allow Hizbollah to take over Lebanon. Acknowledging them as a legitimate political force will cause them to stop engaging in terrorism, and start negotiating in earnest."

2009: "Well, so what if half of Tel Aviv has been destroyed by Hizbollah rockets? Israel hasn't always been 100% virtuous either, you know. Anyway, the Obama peace plan is working. Both sides are making compromises, but in the end this will lead to peace."

2010: "Well, so what if Iran has incinerated five million Israeli Jews with nuclear missiles? Sure, it's a tragedy. But four more years of Bush/Cheney/McCain fascism? Hell no, that would have been a far greater tragedy, because they would have destroyed all our civil liberties and stuff. Plus that bitch Palin, she's so horrible. Anyway, I don't have any relatives living in Israel, so, like, whatever."

re: #136 CIA Reject

Maybe that's the Hilabeast's plan: sabotage. It would be difficult for her to unseat an incumbent Obama and run in 2012, but if he was a failed incumbent it would be much easier- think LBJ in 1968...

Carter in '80
GHW Bush in '92

re: #86 Adrenalyn

ok, levity time....

you start out at home and take a walk
you take a right, a left, a left, a left
you come back home and two men with masks are waiting for you

who are they ?

The Catcher and Umpire

re: #114 poopeedoo

More Kool-Aid seemed to jave have been handed out right before the election. This time the Kool-Aid give gave people no memory of Obama's negative side. Just pleasant, peaceful thoughts.

PIMF many times over. Don't try to eat soup and type at the same time!

re: #143 fish

Free sample. *w/manufacturers rebate

Bill Richardson, who's national political career he owed to the Clinton's, dumped Hillary when the writing was on the wall for an Obama win. Now he gets his reward, Sec. State will go to Hillary and Richardson, who IMHO is far more qualified and has far less baggage, (i.e. Bill), can go suck lemons. Funny. He has to be really pissed. By the time the dust settles on Obama's first 100 days in office Richardson won't be alone. Obama, every man's savior, will piss off at least half of his supporters who thought he would be what they thought he would be based on no more than hope. Funny!

Giving The President Elect™ the benefit of the doubt is getting harder every day.

OT:

Here's a shock! The State of Illinois is now running to the Fed's for a handout.

Governor Blagojevich seeking billions from Washington to aid Illinois economy

SPRINGFIELD — Gov. Blagojevich today proposed a new round of belt-tightening and borrowing and called for billions of dollars in new cash from Washington to plug a gaping $2 billion state budget hole.

It's like watching maggots climbing all over a piece of meat.

re: #149 Nevergiveup

Wherever Obama is, that's where the Media will define as Center. He could be more marxist than Marx and the lapdog media would call him a "moderate".

re: #69 Drill_Thrawl

Un-Fucking-Believeable!

publicly acknowledged and explored the roots of this shift in Iranian state support for terrorist activities

The shift that started in the CARTER Administration with the ousting of the Shah?

Report calls for Obama to name US nuclear adviser

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Yeah, just what we need another agency? And like this is news? Well what do I expect outa the Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government?

re: #153 Guanxi88

re: #144 Maximu§

How's about $1.50; I didn't ask you for the full reading, just the short one, and, frankly, I think you cribbed that from history, and just changed a few names.

The short version?

That WAS the short version and I left out the part about guns being seized...re-education camps....race riots....Sharia Law being declared by the Democrats as "good for all of us".....fuel shortages....fresh water shortages....power grid collapsing.....GM, Ford finally moving their plants to China.

Dang it!

New York Times stock is back up to $7.10 a share.

If Gen. Jones is so anti-Israel and pro-Pali and pro-Hezbollah, then how come he was rumoured to be favoured by McCain for a senior cabinet post if McCain won the election?

Not sympathetic to Hamas? Well, I feel all warm and fuzzy.

re: #173 Eowyn2

The begining of the Iran War IMHO.

re: #172 Iron Fist

Wherever Obama is, that's where the Media will define as Center. He could be more marxist than Marx and the lapdog media would call him a "moderate".

You see, as he is Polaris to so many empty souls who derive meaning and purpose and comfort from political activity, it stands to reason that he would be the new standard. Kinda like picking Greenwich as the meridian; arbitrary, true, but you've got to put it somewhere.

So, with them, why not use old BHO? Hell, they might even end up with new units of length and mass based on his physiology. You never know.

Lieberman to keep Senate Post........Markos heart attack imminent......Lieberman Retains Senate
Committee Chair

re: #177 Spare O'Lake

If Gen. Jones is so anti-Israel and pro-Pali and pro-Hezbollah, then how come he was rumoured to be favoured by McCain for a senior cabinet post if McCain won the election?

McC who?

re: #161 Iron Fist

Well, I look at the election results in close states and wonder what impact ACORN's activities had on the result...

re: #177 Spare O'Lake

It was not Jones who made that statement about Hezbollah, it was Brennan.

re: #179 Rancher

The begining of the Iran War IMHO.

Nov. 4, 1979.

Since then a State of War has existed. However only one side in the conflict realizes it.

And it ain't us.

re: #48 iowavette

You've heard of glass half full? Meet glass totally empty. Always expect the worse, and one is seldom disappointed.

The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. - George F. Will

re: #177 Spare O'Lake

If Gen. Jones is so anti-Israel and pro-Pali and pro-Hezbollah, then how come he was rumoured to be favoured by McCain for a senior cabinet post if McCain won the election?

Because McCain is not much better?

re: #175 Maximu§

The short version?

That WAS the short version and I left out the part about guns being seized...re-education camps....race riots....Sharia Law being declared by the Democrats as "good for all of us".....fuel shortages....fresh water shortages....power grid collapsing.....GM, Ford finally moving their plants to China.

You see, I don't need to read that kind of stuff when I'm away from my precious bourbon and shiny "problem solvers". Now, I'm even more freaked out than usual, and I'm always about 3 minutes from completely wigging; with the recent election, I shaved a full minute off that.

re: #185 ploome hineni

if Jerusalem will annex Bethlehem and call if East Jerusalem, then they can have it

I am waiting for the CHristian world to save Bethlehem

/will it happen?

Yes, right after the Vatican and the rest save the Christians in Lebanon?

Everything I read about B.O. has Clinton administration throughout. All I can say is what will be the next date of infamy? Sept. 11, ? That is what the wonderful Clinton policies brought to our shores. We have been safe for 7 years now. I guess that era is over.

re: #169 Rancher

He can't possibly even begin to deliver everything he's promised. For all he has the ego for it, he isn't really a god. It's going to be hard to deliver the water into wine and the Unicorn Pixie dust. By this time nest year, Obama will have a favorability rating that'll make Bush look like Reagan.

wikipedia article on John Brennan:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

To the 78% of Jews who voted for Obama:

I guess the plan is to increase the Jewish voting bloc here by shutting down Israel?

If that wasn't the plan, then ya got me! I have no idea why you voted that way.

...the roots of this shift in Iranian state support for terrorist activities...

They've renounced nukes? Dismantled Hezbollah? Brought the Revolutionary Guards home from Iraq, Syria, Lebanon? Is that the shift? 'Cause I haven't seen any shift. Iran is shiftless. And this administration will have us up shift creek.

re: #142 tfc3rid

I still hold out some hope that the new President will come to his senses and govern from the Center-Left... It's not looking that way so far...

The scary thing is that he most likely thinks he has moved to the center. After all he is still going to HAVE a CIA and NSA isn't he?

re: #188 Rancher

Gen. Jones did not make that statement about Hezbollah, it was the other guy Brennan. Spare O'Lake confused the two people.

re: #192 Iron Fist

LOL!

re: #169 Rancher

I updinged you, but I'm not sure about that "more qualified" part. Bill R. has proven that he can talk to dictators all over the world and make absolutely no headway on any issue, other than having a New Mexican journalist released by Bashir. The journalist probably would not have been targeted if Bill hadn't been talking to Bashir earlier.

re: #192 Iron Fist

He can't possibly even begin to deliver everything he's promised. For all he has the ego for it, he isn't really a god. It's going to be hard to deliver the water into wine and the Unicorn Pixie dust. By this time nest year, Obama will have a favorability rating that'll make Bush look like Reagan.

Disagree... Everything Obama will do is for the best... He knows what is best for us... Prediction that Obama's approval rating will hover in the 50's and 60's in year 1.

re: #177 Spare O'Lake

If Gen. Jones is so anti-Israel and pro-Pali and pro-Hezbollah, then how come he was rumoured to be favoured by McCain for a senior cabinet post if McCain won the election?

McCain wasn't exactly a top choice 'round these parts.

I think I can speak for most lizards, we vote NObama, not for McCain.

re: #165 Alouette

re: #136 CIA Reject

Maybe that's the Hilabeast's plan: sabotage. It would be difficult for her to unseat an incumbent Obama and run in 2012, but if he was a failed incumbent it would be much easier- think LBJ in 1968...

Carter in '80
GHW Bush in '92

Yeah but in all three of those cases the upset was by the other party's candidate. Has a sitting president ever been defeated in the primaries and his opponent then gone on to win the election?

re: #196 fish

The scary thing is that he most likely thinks he has moved to the center. After all he is still going to HAVE a CIA and NSA isn't he?

Your being rather presumptuous I think?

re: #185 ploome hineni

if Jerusalem will annex Bethlehem and call if East Jerusalem, then they can have it

I am waiting for the CHristian world to save Bethlehem

/will it happen?

That would be a good outcome...no, a great outcome. I don't see it happening, however...

re: #119 Just Another Four-letter Word

Don't know if this has already been mentioned:

Do I smell a "preemptive strike" in the near future?

JAFLW

workers of the world UNTIE

re: #144 Maximu§

~looks into crystal ball~

I see a dim future.....Christian's and Jews persecuted....Armed Thugs running the streets in America....Israeli a smoking crater...the 4th Reich rising in Europe......45% taxation levied by the EU Courts for Americans to pay for environmental crimes....22% unemployment in North America....riots....food shortages.

That will be $20.

You forgot Russia. I want a refund.

re: #194 Lizard by the Bay

To the 78% of Jews who voted for Obama:

I guess the plan is to increase the Jewish voting bloc here by shutting down Israel?

If that wasn't the plan, then ya got me! I have no idea why you voted that way.

As I learned through a discussion with someone on this site years ago, American Jews are LIBERALS first. Then Jews.

re: #158 Alouette

Maybe he will pardon Sirhan Sirhan.

excellent post !

upding time

but really, that would be a slap at the Kennedy clan
though my guess is he was convicted of murder in Ca
and Bush cannot pardon for state offenses
only the gov. can do that

re: #207 tigerwoman

As I learned through a discussion with someone on this site years ago, American Jews are LIBERALS first. Then Jews.

Speaking for this Jew only. I am an American first.

re: #202 Lynn B.

Yeah but in all three of those cases the upset was by the other party's candidate. Has a sitting president ever been defeated in the primaries and his opponent then gone on to win the election?

No, but I'm thinking Hillary believes she's a better candidate than Hubert Humphrey.

I'm going to be sick.

re: #152 Nevergiveup

Who has intimated other wise?

see #6....see#163

re: #194 Lizard by the Bay

To the 78% of Jews who voted for Obama:

I guess the plan is to increase the Jewish voting bloc here by shutting down Israel?

If that wasn't the plan, then ya got me! I have no idea why you voted that way.

American Jews have gone lefty. They will sell out Israel for a phony fake scam peace plan. This is a new and rapidly growing force in American Judaism.

re: #210 Nevergiveup

Correction....Jews who vote for people such as B.O.

re: #210 Nevergiveup

That's way stronger than most Liberals will go, Jewish or not.

re: #200 tfc3rid

Disagree... Everything Obama will do is for the besthimself... He knows what is best for ushimself... Prediction that Obama's approval rating will hover in the 50's and 60's in yearmonth 1 just before they plummet.

Lacking a sarc tag, I have made some amendments

re: #199 wrenchwench

More qualified is a relative term, Hillary has no qualifications whatsoever. Other than name recognition.

the fight of militant Islam vs. the West / modernity is far far from over.

It is at the stage of two animals circling, looking for an opening.

We dare not tempt them with weakness, but I think Obama will tempt them thus.

re: #92 Golem Akbar

Sorry to say this, but AIPAC, which was told by the ONE, that Jerusalem would never be divided, is going to be replaced by J Street, a very leftist but sorta-kinda pro-Israel organization. J Street believes a divided Jerusalem is essential to peace. *spit*

In their (J Street's dreams). Ain't gonna happen.

re: #191 tigerwoman

Everything I read about B.O. has Clinton administration throughout. All I can say is what will be the next date of infamy? Sept. 11, ? That is what the wonderful Clinton policies brought to our shores. We have been safe for 7 years now. I guess that era is over.

I disagree with our being safe these last 7 years; we have never been safe in the entire history of the Republic. We have been DEFENDED and PROTECTED, two things vastly different than safe.

re: #213 Hard Right

I'm going to be sick.

*passes the bucket*

re: #205 Eowyn2

workers of the world UNTIE

You have nothing to loose but your change

re: #117 Adrenalyn

will Bush pardon Jonathon Pollard before he leaves ?

What I keep wondering is what on earth could Jonathon Pollard have done that would give him an endless sentence. Maybe he's lucky to be alive (think Rosenbergs)? And then I keep wondering how it could be worse than the decades of technology being transmitted to China, like this:
Physicist admits sending US space know-how to China

Physicist admits sending US space know-how to China

and you really don't hear about very long sentences for these transfers. I wonder whether one of the think tanks has looked at these cases and compared the responses when they are uncovered...

re: #218 A Kiwi Infidel

Lacking a sarc tag, I have made some amendments

I wasn't being sarcastic... Come on, the media will fawn all over him... His 'fans' will be the ones 'polled'... His approval ratings will be easily 50%...

If I were the Israeli PM I'd make a preemptive attack on Iran right now before Obama is in the WH. If Israel waits to attack later Obama is likely to declare war on them.

The Israelis are in serious trouble. But then again why should they be any different that us.

re: #219 Rancher

More qualified is a relative term, Hillary has no qualifications whatsoever. Other than name recognition.

The President-Elect has no qualifications either but he's still President-Elect...

re: #221 Lynn B.

In their (J Street's dreams). Ain't gonna happen.

Thank G-d for Israeli Jews. They will not allow it. [my prayer, my hope]

re: #187 debutaunt

The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. - George F. Will

...Or no longer thirsty.

re: #185 ploome hineni

if Jerusalem will annex Bethlehem and call if East Jerusalem, then they can have it

I am waiting for the CHristian world to save Bethlehem

/will it happen?

Only the Pope can answer that question. The salvation of Jerusalem will not come from a Megachurch.

re: #67 obscured by clouds

Obama's foreign policy can be summed up in two words: Pre-emptive appeasement.

Well then, he must be Fwench not Kenyan

re: #214 Big Steve

see #6....see#163

Well 163 was after your comment and I think most lizards here would not disagree with you. I also think #6 is out of line.

Off topic but. I'm having trouble changing my icon. It keeps saying that their are no file selected for uploading even though I did upload a file. Grrrr!

OHHH! CRAP!

re: #226 tfc3rid

I wasn't being sarcastic... Come on, the media will fawn all over him... His 'fans' will be the ones 'polled'... His approval ratings will be easily 50%...

The media will just poll itself and then refer to each poll from one media outlet by the other media outlets.

re: #226 tfc3rid

Oh, the lapdog media will pull out all the stops for him, but they've done that for the Democrats for the last two years, and look at where their favorable rating is. You can try to gold plate it all you want, but shit still stinks.

re: #234 conservativeChick

Off topic but. I'm having trouble changing my icon. It keeps saying that their are no file selected for uploading even though I did upload a file. Grrrr!

File might be too big, had that problem before and needed to resize mine.

re: #227 JohnSteele

If I were the Israeli PM I'd make a preemptive attack on Iran right now before Obama is in the WH. If Israel waits to attack later Obama is likely to declare war on them.

The Israelis are in serious trouble. But then again why should they be any different that us.

If you were the [interim] Israeli PM, you'd be Olmert.
So why should we expect strong decisive action?

re: #223 scottishbuzzsaw

*passes the bucket*

Is it half full yet?

re: #13 logboy

Holy cow, what a shocker! What next, a ban on assault weapons? Higher taxes? Defense spending cuts? I can't handle the suspense.

LOL up next, the Freedom of Choice Act, and all kinds of Roman Catholic pro-lifers who voted for Obama screaming that they just didn't know that Obama and the democrats favored it.

re: #234 conservativeChick

Off topic but. I'm having trouble changing my icon. It keeps saying that their are no file selected for uploading even though I did upload a file. Grrrr!

I like the icon you have.

re: #226 tfc3rid

I wasn't being sarcastic... Come on, the media will fawn all over him... His 'fans' will be the ones 'polled'... His approval ratings will be easily 50%...

So, you are basing approval ratings on doctored or outright false rating polls, and as for having your best interest at heart, he may well SAY he has your best interest at heart but I fear, by his actions, this will prove to be not correct.

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok I try that.

re: #211 CIA Reject

No, but I'm thinking Hillary believes she's a better candidate than Hubert Humphrey.

No doubt. But, again, LBJ dropped out of the primaries early on.

"I shall not seek, and I will not accept, ...

I can't remember an actual defeat of a sitting president in a primary but it may have happened a while back. If not ...

let's make history in 2012!

Just so everyone is clear about J Street, they do believe a divided Jerusalem is the key to peace. Ijits.

re: #220 Ojoe

the fight of militant Islam vs. the West / modernity is far far from over.

It is at the stage of two animals circling, looking for an opening.

We dare not tempt them with weakness, but I think Obama will tempt them thus.

"yo, you rabid dingo dog, look, here's my neck, you want a little taste? when you're done with that, you can have my jelly underbelly."

re: #246 Golem Akbar

Because that divided Berlin worked out so well...

Mmmm, how long until Sen. Lieberman tells that majority of American Jews who voted for Comrade Obama:

"I told you so. Suckers, you should have voted for the Hero, not the Zero."

re: #241 funky chicken

LOL up next, the Freedom of Choice Act, and all kinds of Roman Catholic pro-lifers who voted for Obama screaming that they just didn't know that Obama and the democrats favored it.

Dont forget the Fairness Doctine. (its sounds so, so warm and fuzzy doesnt it?)

re: #185 ploome hineni

if Jerusalem will annex Bethlehem and call if East Jerusalem, then they can have it

I am waiting for the CHristian world to save Bethlehem

/will it happen?

Every now and then -everyday actually- the Muslims say that Jews have no right to Jerusalem and there was no Temple.

It always amazes me that the statement it construed as being against Israeli sovereignty but has not much resonance.

Putting aside the issues relevant to Israel, that claim negates Jesus and the entire foundation of Christianity.

Somehow Christians fail to notice.

re: #242 Dasher

Ahhh. Thank you. :-)

Thats Fairness Doctrine (PIMF)

Israel is probably going to have to act on iran before 1/20/2009. And when they do it, they better get really REALLY nasty about it because it might be their only chance for years to get a clear shot at iran.

re: #239 Son of the Black Dog

If you were the [interim] Israeli PM, you'd be Olmert.
So why should we expect strong decisive action?

I clearly said if I were the PM, not Olmert. Olmert won't do it and they will pay a price for it. If Netanyahu is elected he probably will do it and I will not be a bit surprised if Obama finds some way to punish Israel.

re: #247 Eowyn2

Exactly.

re: #229 Golem Akbar

Thank G-d for Israeli Jews. They will not allow it. [my prayer, my hope]

Now that's a point. Can you be a "lobbying organization" for an entity that wants nothing to do with you?

re: #250 A Kiwi Infidel

And gun control. He's probably got enough RINOs on board to get that through the Senate.

re: #240 Right mind left

Is it half full yet?

I'm afraid so...

re: #209 ploome hineni

How loyal will Hillary be?

Ignorant fools. The Arabs want ALL of Israel totally Jew-free. Nothing else will satisfy them. Then, they'll take aim at Spain as their next target. People refuse to understand this.

re: #246 Golem Akbar

Just so everyone is clear about J Street, they do believe a divided Jerusalem is the key to peace. Ijits.

re: #246 Golem Akbar

Just so everyone is clear about J Street, they do believe a divided Jerusalem is the key to peace. Ijits.

And Jewish leaders thought appeasement to the Nazi relocation plans was the key to coexistence.

re: #259 scottishbuzzsaw

I'm afraid so...

Well there's something optimistic about it then, aye?

re: #248 Iron Fist

Because that divided Berlin worked out so well...

That, and let's face it, the whole Land for Peace concept is a crock.

re: #246 Golem Akbar

Just so everyone is clear about J Street, they do believe a divided Jerusalem is the key to peace. Ijits.

Then they are fools, the blind leading the blind to certain destruction.

re: #250 A Kiwi Infidel

Dont forget the Fairness Doctine. (its sounds so, so warm and fuzzy doesnt it?)

*starry-eyed acolyte*: What could be wrong with Fairness?