He thinks we are all like the dumbed-down citizens of Chicago.

Liberals lie all the time, they just don't do it well?

What a sick individual.

As my uncle used to say "I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night".

You have to wonder about why the Kennedys didn't balk at supporting Barack Obama because of this. I mean, how much more in-your-face could he get with them? But he the bringer of hopey changiness, so it's OK.

He has gotten away with so much for so long that his street smart survivor instincts are dulled and he is reduced to smart-alecky contempt. As my Father once said, "The nerve of a Burgler."

Hey Billy, there's something I'd like to show you allright!

re: #2 Nevergiveup

Liberals lie all the time, they just don't do it well?

Only when their mouths move.

Of course, the body count that Ayers claims as being zero is just a rounding error. After all, he forgets the three terrorist cohorts killed while assembling the bomb of his design for use at Fort Dix. It ignores the murder of two NYS troopers and a security guard in the Brinks heist, and I believe at least one other policeman killed by bombs used by the Weather Underground in pursuit of their revolution.

re: #8 Ford_Prefect

Bill Clinton was an uncommonly good liar.

re: #6 lifeofthemind

He has gotten away with so much for so long that his street smart survivor instincts are dulled and he is reduced to smart-alecky contempt. As my Father once said, "The nerve of a Burgler."

Doesn't matter. He will get away with it because the msm won't go after him.

The tragic effects of idleness, Marxist indoctrination, arrogance, and drug abuse.

/Spoiled brat!

No doubt the press will bury it/gloss over/spin it so that he and The One are never taken to task for it. At least we'll know.

"Is our children learning?" More despicable than anything is this guy is a professor at a college. Maybe his association with Obama is debatable--maybe--but how the heck is this guy allowed to teach college students?!

Sirhan Sirhan was a patsy like Oswald!
/

Sirhan only used one name. It was a MSM f*ck up that they called him "Sirhan Sirhan".

I'll dig up the reference.

Well, thanks for clearing it up Bill.

He's just hoping more people will buy his book, looking for that dedication page.
Ain't happening, Bill.

I mentioned this the other day when it was being discussed. But I wonder how Caroline Kennedy feels about her idol Obama and his pal now?

re: #12 CIA Reject

The tragic effects of idleness, Marxist indoctrination, arrogance, and drug abuse.

/Spoiled brat!

Agreed.

That's not the dedication page I knew.

Today, they're renaming the Triborough Bridge in NYC in honor of RFK.

I think it would be a great idea to release the Illinois portion of those poor prisoners- especially those from Stateville- directly into Hyde Park where Mr. Ayers and his wife currently live.

re: #10 Iron Fist

Bill Clinton was an uncommonly good liar.

One of his aides actually said this, but I can't remember who now.

Charles, I'll take your word for it. My blood pressure can't take watching any video with Bill Ayers. Except maybe his last words.

re: #25 Sharmuta

One of his aides actually said this, but I can't remember who now.

Maybe Dick Morris?

He said his book is dedicated to "all prisoners" (everyone who committed a crime and got caught). All those dumb criminals who don't have rich daddies to get them off on a technicality.

re: #15 Happy4LA

"Is our children learning?" More despicable than anything is this guy is a professor at a college. Maybe his association with Obama is debatable--maybe--but how the heck is this guy allowed to teach college students?!

The fact that he does teach and is even "respected" shows you the current state of academia in the USA...

He should be teaching fellow inmates in Joilet or Ft. Leavenworth, not children of any age.

OT

Dear Fellow Lizards,

Does anyone among you live in or near Baltimore, Maryland, and want a nice dog?

Back story: A friend of mine who's in his seventies just told me his wife (they're married but live apart) brought him a shelter dog as a present the other day. It was a nice gesture but unexpected and impractical. Though he loves dogs, he can't get around very well and was afraid he wouldn't be able to take care of a pet. So he turned it down (he says he couldn't even bring himself to look at the poor creature because he was afraid he'd immediately fall in love with it and end up keeping it although he knew he couldn't). His wife cried and I think from talking to him that he cried too, at least he was upset enough about the event to mention it several times during my visit.

He even asked me if I would like the dog, but I already have one and I'm too poor and sick to afford another.

I though on the off chance that anyone here is looking for a nice companion animal, I could make the connections. I don't know everything about the dog, but I can find out. I believe my friend say his name is Rags. He is ten years old, mixed breed, and neutered. Very gentle, good with children. I can find out further details if anyone is interested.

Please contact me if you or anyone you know would like a four-legged friend. Just click on my name to send me an email.

Faithfully yours,

--Cato

Outrage from the Kennedy clan in 3...2...1...

/

re: #23 lawhawk

Today, they're renaming the Triborough Bridge in NYC in honor of RFK.

Well now if Bloomie gets his way they can also have the new Sirhan Sirhan toll plaza?

This guy is definitely a waste of good air and verticle space! If there were a true environmentalist out there, ilk like this clown would be rendered extinct due to a lifetime of gross global harming!

Caught red handed and they still deny their own deeds- these people have nerve.

this entire spectacle with Ayers and Obama shows a complete lack of integrity. Obama has none, evidently the Kennedys have none and obviously Ayers never had any.

We are now entering a complete kakistocracy.

re: #26 buzzsawmonkey

That is the name of Calvin Klein's new fragrance.

I didn't know you could make perfume out of horsesh*t and bong water...

re: #37 CIA Reject

I didn't know you could make perfume out of horsesh*t and bong water...

LOL!

re: #25 Sharmuta

No, it was Bob Kerrey that said it. Still, that is a Democrat's take on Billy Jeff. It's pretty damning, because it is so true.

re: #23 lawhawk

Today, they're renaming the Triborough Bridge in NYC in honor of RFK.

I'm thinking that bridges are not going to be used as memorials to Teddy.

/

re: #30 Desert Dog

The fact that he does teach and is even "respected" shows you the current state of academia in the USA...

I honestly don't think he is respected in Academia, at leat in the sense he has not significant contributions in any field. You'll get no arguments from me about how liberal academia is, but there is no way that Ayers (or Cornel West) is respected in the sense of being important to knowledge.

re: #5 Iron Fist

You have to wonder about why the Kennedys didn't balk at supporting Barack Obama because of this. I mean, how much more in-your-face could he get with them? But he the bringer of hopey changiness, so it's OK.

IMO, the most revered of all attributes among liberals is
ARROGANCE.

Show me.

You think I'm ever going to touch any of the sh*t you write? You must be out of your mind.

He obviously caught himself in his response to the question. He said "you heard it on" then paused. You know he was going to say "you heard it on Fox news" sure as shit. I wouldn't even be so polite as to address him as Dr. Ayres, dickhead would probably slip out instead.

re: #42 ctrlL

It does appear that way. That is one thing that Obama has an abundance of.

re: #23 lawhawk

Today, they're renaming the Triborough Bridge in NYC in honor of RFK.

Back when the Redskins were amongst the worst teams in the NFL, I always thought that the should have renamed RFK Stadium to something else to honor RFK.

The Kennedy's care about power and that's it.

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

I'm thinking that bridges are not going to be used as memorials to Teddy.

/

LOL

re: #17 Ezekiel2517

Sirhan only used one name. It was a MSM f*ck up that they called him "Sirhan Sirhan".

I'll dig up the reference.

I never heard that. Where does the middle initial B come from?

To: Bill Ayers

I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

/apologies to B. Dylan

So he dedicated his book to a murderer...sigh. You people are missing the point man-it's about all the people unjustly imprisoned-it's about the prison industrial complex man-don't you get it!? Peace by any means necessary man fight the power unless it muslim in which case submit or join.

re: #39 Iron Fist

Thanks, Fist. I always loved that quote because it was the most accurate thing ever said about bubba.

Show me.

Fake but accurate?

/

re: #49 doppelganglander

I never heard that. Where does the middle initial B come from?

And what does it stand for:

Buttpirate?

Instead of the throbbing memo, we need the throbbing dedication page. Ayres is a terrible liar.

OT and speaking of pyhsicians, I see that Tom Dschle is going to be Secy. of Health and Human Serivces...

Of course, Daschle is a HUGE proponent of Universal HealthCare... When will he US government be asking for a bailout from the Fed?

Can't he just eat his waffle?!

re: #56 tfc3rid

OT and speaking of pyhsicians, I see that Tom Dschle is going to be Secy. of Health and Human Serivces...

Of course, Daschle is a HUGE proponent of Universal HealthCare... When will he US government be asking for a bailout from the Fed?

I can't believe that Underdog is going back to DC...

Charles -- have you been playing around with styles for links? I'm noticing when I move my mouse over them they turn into a white box with no visible text. This seems to occur only in Firefox 2, in IE 6 things look fine.

And besides he didn't dedicate his book to Sirhan-the neo-cons planted that dedication there. You people are be deluded! WAKE UP!

re: #49 doppelganglander

That's for his prison nickname: Bitch

:-)

re: #17 Ezekiel2517

Sirhan only used one name. It was a MSM f*ck up that they called him "Sirhan Sirhan".

I'll dig up the reference.

It's harder to find than I thought, so if I can find it I'll post it later. Take it as anecdotal unless proven otherwise.

re: #60 heyou

You really need to use the /

Billy Billy Ayres Ayres did did dedicate dedicate his his book book to to Sirhan Sirhan.

re: #60 heyou

And besides he didn't dedicate his book to Sirhan-the neo-cons planted that dedication there. You people are be deluded! WAKE UP!

PIMF

re: #41 Mojave

I honestly don't think he is respected in Academia, at leat in the sense he has not significant contributions in any field. You'll get no arguments from me about how liberal academia is, but there is no way that Ayers (or Cornel West) is respected in the sense of being important to knowledge.

IMHO, a large part of the problem with academia is that people like Bill Ayers ARE respected and influential. In a couple of posts Mandy has linked the list of people who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers. It is searchable. I did a search on a college in a town where I used to live and found someone I used to respect, an ed professor. That person is physically a long way from Chicago, but philosophically, perhaps not so far.

re: #64 Honorary Yooper

Billy Billy Ayres Ayres did did dedicate dedicate his his book book to to Sirhan Sirhan.

LOL LOL

What amazes me is that he actually appears taken off guard when this journalist asks him about the dedication.
I guess he thinks he's going to be allowed to walk the streets and sign his books with no resistance.
Sorry Billy Boy.

re: #64 Honorary Yooper

Billy Billy Ayres Ayres did did dedicate dedicate his his book book to to Sirhan Sirhan.

nah ah ah ah uh uh uh uh

Oh shit.

This may unintentionally educate the leftists that a Palistinian terrorist killed RFK.

They will no longer be able to say, "the way THEY killed MLK and RFK."

His (Sirhan) family is still up to their eyeballs in terror.

His cousin was arrested or killed (I'm leaning towards arrested) in the last few years by Israel.

re: #35 Sharmuta

Caught red handed and they still deny their own deeds- these people have nerve.

"Guilty as hell, free as a bird. This is a great country." From his own foul mouth.

and it wasn't Sirhan Sirhan that did it anyway it was the .......

re: #66 Son of the Black Dog

IMHO, a large part of the problem with academia is that people like Bill Ayers ARE respected and influential. In a couple of posts Mandy has linked the list of people who signed the petition supporting Bill Ayers. It is searchable. I did a search on a college in a town where I used to live and found someone I used to respect, an ed professor. That person is physically a long way from Chicago, but philosophically, perhaps not so far.

University Education departments have long been havens for unrepentant Stalinists, so it shouldn't be any surprise.

re: #31 Cato the Elder

Several PIMFs in there. Sorry. Was typing really fast.

re: #66 Son of the Black Dog

Maybe my thinking is a bit off because I attend a (relatively) conservative university. The professors here voted to de-unionize after only two years.

re: #5 Iron Fist

You have to wonder about why the Kennedys didn't balk at supporting Barack Obama because of this. I mean, how much more in-your-face could he get with them? But he the bringer of hopey changiness, so it's OK.

Because they have to go far left to distract people from their father's far-right Nazi supporting past.

re: #68 notutopia

What amazes me is that he actually appears taken off guard when this journalist asks him about the dedication.
I guess he thinks he's going to be allowed to walk the streets and sign his books with no resistance.
Sorry Billy Boy.

So are you saying that I shouldn't dedicate my book to BTK?

he is a fair weather terrorist. (wimp.) an opportunist now. like the fake indian churchill.
ayers has to deny this association because the newly star struck s.o.b, that he now is, desperately wants to be invited in some capacity into the obama administration 4 yr hoe-down. (educational something . lol)
he needs to sanitize his past. how can he admit to admiring and dedicating anything to sirhan-sirhan when bobby kennedy jr. is wrangling around.
it is unthinkable that the kennedys would accept this fcking terrorist flag stomping scumbag ayers who is enamored of the person who assassinated one of their own.
look how ayers tries to deny provable fact. he is pathetic,
a big loser.

Yeah, let's let all prisoners free. What a splendid idea.

Chumps like this make me believe we've entered the Bizarro Age.

re: #70 Ben Hur

I didn't know that, but I did know yesterday was the 48th anniversary of the movie that shares your nic.

re: #66 Son of the Black Dog

At FSU I had a professor named Jonathan Hodges who was an unashamed Marxist. He thought Stalin was one of the greatest leaders in the 20th Century. I wish I'd still been down there when the Berlin Wall came down. I'm sure that his reaction was priceless.

OK.

The dedication is on Page 5 of Prairie Fire, mixed in with a lot of other names (including, bizarrely, James Taylor).

Here’s a detail graphic, showing where Sirhan Sirhan’s name appears.

Charles, with this kind of thorough fact-checking and exposure of other people's lies, I'm afraid you've got no future in the MSM.

F*ing liar.

He defends himself against the charge that he dedicated his book to Sirhan Sirhan by saying that it was dedicated to all 'political prisoners' and that was 'stupid to single him out'. So - and this is his defence, - Sirhan Sirhan is a political prisoner, who presumably should be a free man! Oh yes, Mr Ayers, why now that you put it like that you seem all sane and respectable again!

I can imagine Obama's team went to GREAT lengths to ensure this idiots silence during the campaign.

re: #80 turn

I didn't know that, but I did know yesterday was the 48th anniversary of the movie that shares your nic.

And I'm still looking damn good.

re: #55 Honorary Yooper

Instead of the throbbing memo, we need the throbbing dedication page. Ayres is a terrible liar.

Charles -

Yooper is right - "...the THROB BOSS, the THROB - BREENG BACK THE THROB!"

-S-

I'm sure if Zogby did a poll about who killed RFK, 99% would say southern white supremacist Republican.

The dedication is on Page 5 of Prairie Fire, mixed in with a lot of other names (including, bizarrely, James Taylor).

Must be "James Taylor the cop killer" or "James Taylor the drug dealer" not James Taylor the singer and songwriter. It's a pretty common name.

re: #9 lawhawk

Of course, the body count that Ayers claims as being zero is just a rounding error. After all, he forgets the three terrorist cohorts killed while assembling the bomb of his design for use at Fort Dix. It ignores the murder of two NYS troopers and a security guard in the Brinks heist, and I believe at least one other policeman killed by bombs used by the Weather Underground in pursuit of their revolution.

Or perhaps the claim that he didn't kill anyone is a bit of technically correct obsfucation. "Professor" *spit* Ayers let others do the dirty work for him and avoided getting his own hands dirty. His flunkies of course ended up dead as a result of his murderous schemes too. Of course this makes him less like the pathetic suicide bombers and more like the evil, calculating and dictatorial cult leaders that send the bombers to do their bidding. Justice asks: Why isn't he pinned down in a cave somewhere waiting for the last MOAB to fall?

He isn't just a Professor, he is a Professor of Education at the State University. Now for my two cents I'd say that no graduate of the University of Illinois should be licensed to teach in any public school while Ayers is employed by the U of I. For good measure I'd refuse to admit any graduate of Northwestern Law to practice at the Bar while Dohrn is employed there.

re: #76 Ben Hur

Good point. That's not to mention his affiliation with organized crime. he came by his money honestly. He ran illegal booze for it. Maybe that's why Ted is such a drunk.

More importantly is that he wants to abolish the prison system.

Chaos benefits the revolutionary.

re: #23 lawhawk

Today, they're renaming the Triborough Bridge in NYC in honor of RFK.

Nobody's ever going to call it anything but the Triboro.

Didn't watch the video...But here's a reasonably good excuse for ya', Billy.

'No No, I meant Sir-Han'

Prosecute Ayers and Dohrn. Their case(s) were never adjudicated from what I understand, therefore NO double jeopardy.

Speaking of, I'll take Native American History, for $1000, Alec.

Bill Ayers wants to abolish prisons because nothing (including murder or mass murder) should be illegal in the current United States of America.

If he'd gotten his way and America had turned into a Communist country, all those who couldn't adjust to Communism would have been mass murdered.

The Weathermen planned on murdering 25 million Americans for this offense.

No one else would need to be imprisoned because they would know that they would be killed if they didn't go along. No need for prison when the authorities can take people out back (or out front) and shoot them in the head, per Bill Ayers' and his wife Bernadette's views on how things should be.

re: #78 nyc redneck

Well said, it makes you wonder though whether the Kennedy's even knew he had dedicated the book to Sirhan in the first place. I had no idea until Zombie posted here some time back.

TPTP (too pissed to preview) obsfucation = obfuscation

So Ayers wants to release all prisoners. Apparently regardless of their crimes or legal status. Because, of course, in the United States being a prisoner is ipso facto proof that you're politically oppressed.

What he doesn't say is that under his rules he would immediately double the number of prisoners (though he would probably call them "detainees") by putting everyone who dissents from his views in re-education camps.

Personally, I think there is some merit to the case that we imprison far too many people when society would be better served by sending them to mental hospitals or drug treatment facilities. But anyone who claims that all prisoners are held unjustly is simply insane.

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

I'm thinking that bridges are not going to be used as memorials to Teddy.

/

No, but all the McAnn's Bar & Grills in Manhattan will be.

re: #95 Adina in Judea

Bill Ayers wants to abolish prisons because nothing (including murder or mass murder) should be illegal in the current United States of America.

If he'd gotten his way and America had turned into a Communist country, all those who couldn't adjust to Communism would have been mass murdered.

The Weathermen planned on murdering 25 million Americans for this offense.

No one else would need to be imprisoned because they would know that they would be killed if they didn't go along. No need for prison when the authorities can take people out back (or out front) and shoot them in the head, per Bill Ayers' and his wife Bernadette's views on how things should be.

What does he think they did in his precious Soviet Union?

That is...

Bill Ayers wants to abolish prisons because nothing (including murder or mass murder) should be illegal in the current United States of America, IN HIS VIEW.

re: #93 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Nobody's ever going to call it anything but the Triboro.

True enough. But they're going to spend $4 million or so to make the change to signs and stationary and all the rest.

Money the state doesn't have mind you.

Tom Cruise laughable in ‘Valkyrie’

MGM’s marketing team is working hard to convince audiences that their oft-delayed Tom Cruise vehicle “Valkyrie” is a thriller and not the chatfest “Lions for Lambs” was. But those who've gotten an early glimpse say not only is the film nowhere near as exciting as a thriller, but Cruise’s performance elicits uncomfortable and inappropriate laughs.

Among them: A scene where Cruise’s character, Claus Von Stauffenberg, is forced to give the infamous “Heil Hitler” salute. “It’s an unsettling scene but you almost start to laugh," the source says. "His character is resisting it but you never forget it’s Tom Cruise saying ‘Heil Hitler.’ It’s funny and shocking at the same time.”

Billy Ayers dedicated Prairie Fire to Sirhan Sirhan before he denied dedicating
Prairie Fire to Sirhan Sirhan.

What a schmuck!

re: #49 doppelganglander

Bishara

re: #95 Adina in Judea

If he'd gotten his way and America had turned into a Communist country, all those who couldn't adjust to Communism would have been mass murdered.

That worked really well in Jonestown, Guyana 30 years ago yesterday.

re: #96 turn

Well said, it makes you wonder though whether the Kennedy's even knew he had dedicated the book to Sirhan in the first place. I had no idea until Zombie posted here some time back.

surely, they must know now.
or will know soon.
i'm so curious abt. the reaction they will have.
i'm wonder if they will be politely non-judgmental.
yuck.

re: #63 CyanSnowHawk

but- I -really-love-the ------ and also ;-)

So Ayers wants to release all prisoners. Apparently regardless of their crimes or legal status.

But won't that make the nation look like Chicago?

re: #98 Cato the Elder

Good luck with the hairy beast. Hope you find it a home. Well done for trying.

Now, the question is: Given that the Secret Service keeps anyone who might conceivable be a threat away from the President, even to the point of temporarily incarcerating people during Presidential visits to a city, what is the USSS going to do with Ayers and Dohrn when BHO is in Chicago? Or if BHO wants to invite them to a White House function? Is BHO going to override his own security detail? No precedent for this little problem.

re: #61 Iron Fist

Nearly horked a crouton up my nose with that one.

re: #102 lawhawk

True enough. But they're going to spend $4 million or so to make the change to signs and stationary and all the rest.

I'm glad the TBTA can afford to do that while the MTA prepares to eliminate the W and Z lines.

re: #94 Elcid

There's no statute of limitations on murder, either. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. It'd be nice, but they're FOB. That used to stand for "Friends of Bill" duting the Clinton Administration. I guess it can stand for "Friends of Barack" in the coming one.

What's the big deal with the notorious Bill Ayers dedicating his book to Duran-Duran anyway?

re: #91 Iron Fist

Good point. That's not to mention his affiliation with organized crime. he came by his money honestly. He ran illegal booze for it. Maybe that's why Ted is such a drunk.

Speaking of his drinking, it looks to me like he sobered up. I saw a clip of him on the news last night and to me the guy has never looked better despite having just had brain surgery.

re: #98 Cato the Elder

So Ayers wants to release all prisoners. Apparently regardless of their crimes or legal status. Because, of course, in the United States being a prisoner is ipso facto proof that you're politically oppressed.

ALL of the "Palestinian" prisoners in Israel (including the ones who have murdered Israelis and the ones who have committed every kind of crime imaginable from massive car theft to robbing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of farm equipment from Israeli farmers in the Negev) are viewed by Israel's 'peace partners' as 100% POLITICAL PRISONERS.

The "Pals" are quick studies when it comes to learning from the western left.

abolish the prisons

/imagine there's no criminals, it's easy if you try . . .

re: #102 lawhawk

That means it's our favorite time, boys and girls! Time to raise taxes!

re: #94 Elcid

Prosecute Ayers and Dohrn. Their case(s) were never adjudicated from what I understand, therefore NO double jeopardy.

Yes, they were.

Dohrn plea-bargained hers down to something absurd (aggravated assault, as I recall), and Ayers was acquitted because the evidence against him (wiretaps) was gathered without a warrant.

re: #89 DaddyG

Charles Manson never actually got his hands dirty either.
No wonder Ayers and Dohrn admired him. Soulmates.

re: #31 Cato the Elder

Cato, Generally speaking.... what is your location?

Did he also dedicate it to Mumia? Lee Harvey Oswald? John Wilkes Booth? Leon Czolgosz?

I find it disturbing there isn't a single Kennedy out there that seems to have a problem with any of this.

re: #116 turn

I think they frown on drinking when you are doing chemo. His liver's never had it so good.

I'm glad the TBTA can afford to do that while the MTA prepares to eliminate the W and Z lines.

Actually the biggest expense they have is fake disability claims. Tens of millions a year.

re: #114 Iron Fist

There's no statute of limitations on murder, either. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. It'd be nice, but they're FOB. That used to stand for "Friends of Bill" duting the Clinton Administration. I guess it can stand for "Friends of Barack" in the coming one.

Bingo, my friend.

re: #112 Noam Sayin'

Heh™

It doesn't matter. Given the "bad craziness" as Charles puts it that is going on around our nation and world, I'd wager that a good healthy chunk of Obama supporters think Bobby Kennedy was killed by George Bush on one of his drunken and/or cocaine binges on holiday while in LA, or by Dick Cheney, or both. It was on the internet you know.

Either that, or they think Sirhan Sirhan is some new happening DJ or a new iPhone game.

re: #16 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Sirhan Sirhan was a patsy like Oswald!
/

JUST A POLITICAL PRISONER LIKE ALL THE OTHERS?

re: #98 Cato the Elder

So Ayers wants to release all prisoners. Apparently regardless of their crimes or legal status. Because, of course, in the United States being a prisoner is ipso facto proof that you're politically oppressed.

What he doesn't say is that under his rules he would immediately double the number of prisoners (though he would probably call them "detainees") by putting everyone who dissents from his views in re-education camps.

Personally, I think there is some merit to the case that we imprison far too many people when society would be better served by sending them to mental hospitals or drug treatment facilities. But anyone who claims that all prisoners are held unjustly is simply insane.

Well, those that are in the prisons are there unjustly and need to be released so there is room for all us criminals...is that what he is thinking? Makes my head HURT...

Just tell a cabbie to take the RFK bridge and see what happens to you.

Obama's friend here wants to abolish the prisons. We also know liberals want the population disarmed. How would that work out. I doubt there are many prisoners locked up for snoring in church.

Who your friends are says a lot about you.

No wonder this country is divided.

re: #117 Adina in Judea

If you read his book (or the excerpts on zombietime.com) you realize that there is only one goal of his methods, and opinions, and that is to destroy the United States so that a Communist States of America can be reborn out of its ashes.

This then puts into question all policies advanced by either the "progressives" or the Democrat Party that echo those made by Ayers & Co.

No prisons is meant to cause chaos, disruption, and destruction to our Country. That is its' point!

Well, according to Obama's new attorney general, the only criminals in America are policemen and bussiness types.

Bruni-Sarkozy would welcome Michelle Obama advice

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

How do you say "Sucking up" or "kissing ass" in french?

re: #107 nyc redneck

They won't make a big deal about it, nothing going on here let's all just move along. They have too much invested in the O.

Your text to link...

Oh, dear. I think I f'd up the link thingy, but Romney's piece in the NYT gets the auto mess mostly right.

re: #133 WrathofG-d

No prisons is meant to cause chaos, disruption, and destruction to our Country. That is its' point!

Absolutely right!

re: #91 Iron Fist

Good point. That's not to mention his affiliation with organized crime. he came by his money honestly. He ran illegal booze for it. Maybe that's why Ted is such a drunk.

JFK's father Joe Kennedy, in order to get his son elected President, went to Chicago (fancy that!) to get Mayor Daley Sr. to get out the vote. Daley in turn went to the labor unions to get out the vote for JFK. The labor unions were controlled by the Chicago mob at the time.

If that's a tie to organized crime, imagine if JFK launched his political career in the living room of two unrepentant criminals like a certain sophomore senator we all know.

At least mobsters are loyal Americans, unlike domestic terrorists.

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

As I have said in prior threads, Bill Ayers is Charles Manson with better family, better resources, and a better line of rationalization.

And he probably bathes more frequently.

re: #84 Jimmah

He defends himself against the charge that he dedicated his book to Sirhan Sirhan by saying that it was dedicated to all 'political prisoners' and that was 'stupid to single him out'. So - and this is his defence, - Sirhan Sirhan is a political prisoner, who presumably should be a free man! Oh yes, Mr Ayers, why now that you put it like that you seem all sane and respectable again!

I can imagine Obama's team went to GREAT lengths to ensure this idiots silence during the campaign.

Sorry, I missed this one before I blurted...you deserve all the credit!

Ayers was on NPR's Fresh Air last night, the 18th. Terri Gross tried to give him an opportunity to apologize for his Weather Underground terrorism . . . he wouldn't do it.

The interview is about 45 minutes long and tough to take . . . he is a weasily, liar. After listening you'll want to clean your ears out. After seeing a picture of him you want to power wash your eyes out. He is horrible, twisted, evil, and 'never wrong.' Maybe that's what I don't like about him personally, he's one of those guys that's never wrong about anything and they'll talk you to death about it.

I don't know how to create links, but this is what was at the top of the page when the interview was playing on-line.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

CAUTION: Listening to this interview in its' entirety will WASTE 45 minutes of your life.

re: #115 Kenneth

What's the big deal with the notorious Bill Ayers dedicating his book to Duran-Duran anyway?

How can you sit there with a straight face and say Duran Duran wasn't a threat to western culture (or at least western music)?

/I'm hungry like the wolf

He's still teaching, isn't he?

re: #123 JammieWearingFool

I agree, they should all know this by now even if they didn't before Ted endorsed O. I think they have too much invested in the O, they can't afford to make a big deal about it. Maybe this issue will trickle up to the MSM, oh wait ...

re: #103 Ben Hur

Tom Cruise is himself in this role. Ok, he describes himself...

this whole left/right thing is a mess to be honest-"they" think they are fighting the good fight and are willing to kill and "we" think we are fighting the good fight and are willing to kill. I'm not a bleeding heart, it's just that the immensity of the problem is staggering. But as always the comments here are so well informed and smart that I am going to lurk quietly now. Peace for real.

OT, and I hope this is not insulting to anyone.

This weekend the Catholic Church is doing a second collection for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. The CCHD has prior connections to ACORN.

[Link: www.catholicchronicle.org...]

I stress prior, but any connection is enough to make me ill.

Three weeks ago, I was being exhorted to vote for the pro-life candidate. Today I am being asked to donate to the CCHD. I've been a Catholic my whole life, but I cannot deal with this kind of inconsistency. There is a left-wing 'social justice' (purposefully vague) faction in the American Catholic church that really drives me crazy.

I see that Ayers dedicated it to Richard Harris, too. Perhaps he would care to tell us why that cake was left out in the rain.

re: #142 Sabnen

Ayers was on NPR's Fresh Air last night, the 18th. Terri Gross tried to give him an opportunity to apologize for his Weather Underground terrorism . . . he wouldn't do it.

That's because he's not sorry for it. He wishes he had done more.

re: #139 Crusty

At least mobsters are loyal Americans, unlike domestic terrorists.

No, they are not loyal Americans. Why would you think that?

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

I'm thinking that bridges are not going to be used as memorials to Teddy.

/

There'd be a "drunk adulterers" lane, right next to the outside railing.

re: #149 Pullus Iulius

I see that Ayers dedicated it to Richard Harris, too. Perhaps he would care to tell us why that cake was left out in the rain.

Well, he doesn't think that he can take it, 'cause he took so long to bake it, and he'll never have that recipe again.

re: #92 Buck

More importantly is that he wants to abolish the prison system.

Chaos benefits the revolutionary.

I can't understand how any relatively serious person could take such a guy seriously.

Abolish prisons?

Before societies had the surpluses that allowed for confinement, people were basically tortured as punishment.

He didn't say abolish punishment - so is he for torture?

I just love Leftist moralizing - more narrow minded and blind as any moralizing from the far right.

re: #151 Noam Chumpski

No, they are not loyal Americans. Why would you think that?

Well Charles lucky Luciano did instruct the mafia to support the cause for a price?

re: #128 mfarmer1

Funny, but not too far from the truth I'm afraid. BDS ...

Maybe someone should coin a phrase for the adulation of O despite his obvious downfall. BHO - Blindly Hail Obama?

re: #154 Honorary Yooper

Well, he doesn't think that he can take it, 'cause he took so long to bake it, and he'll never have that recipe again.

OH NOOOOOOO...

re: #148 daledog

OT, and I hope this is not insulting to anyone.

This weekend the Catholic Church is doing a second collection for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. The CCHD has prior connections to ACORN.

[Link: www.catholicchronicle.org...]

I stress prior, but any connection is enough to make me ill.

Three weeks ago, I was being exhorted to vote for the pro-life candidate. Today I am being asked to donate to the CCHD. I've been a Catholic my whole life, but I cannot deal with this kind of inconsistency. There is a left-wing 'social justice' (purposefully vague) faction in the American Catholic church that really drives me crazy.

Unfortunately some in the Church do not seem to understand that before Social Justice can be realized in society the members of said society must first be alive!

re: #151 Noam Chumpski

No, they [mobsters] are not loyal Americans. Why would you think that?

Hollywood

To Ayers is human, To forgive - ain't f***in' happening.

re: #138 Adina in Judea

It is exactly the purpose when the Arabs ask it of Israel. But there it has a plus. It is a political jailbreak. In Israel, when the Prisioners are released, not only does it allow murderers, criminals, and agents of chaos against Israel to go back to their dirty work, but it undermines the argument behind their incarceration in general.

Israel argues that these people are dangerous Terrorists that have to be kept in jail so they do not murder again. Then they let out thousands. In my opinion, this says to the world that the underlying claim made by Israel about these prisoners is not true. This undermines Israel's arguments for incarceration, and Israel's argument that they are threatened. Everyone's gut tells them that a Country would not just let Terrorists who are a threat to their citizenry go! Thus, the Arab prisoners who were universally understood to be just that: threatening Terrorists, begin to be seen as individuals being held for no reason. Then, logically the "World" begins to ask themselves why they are being held at all....and thus comes up with the only logical answer: Politics. Thus, the actual Terrorist is turned into a Political Prisoner.

Bottom line here is: If you are going to take the time to capture, try, litigate, and imprison an individual....you should force him or her to live out their full term. Otherwise, you simply look like you are full of ______.

We ought to abolish the prisons. Barack Obama's friend said that.

re: #123 JammieWearingFool

Chris Cuomo interviewed Ayers and didn't press home this either, and he's the former brother in law to Kerry Kennedy (RFK's daughter).

re: #159 CIA Reject

Unfortunately some in the Church do not seem to understand that before Social Justice can be realized in society the members of said society must first be alive!

The Catholic Church is huge and has its share of whackos throughout the spectrum. You aren't insulting Catholics in general when you pick out the whackos for criticism, IMO.

re: #165 karmic_inquisitor

The Catholic Church is huge and has its share of whackos throughout the spectrum. You aren't insulting Catholics in general when you pick out the whackos for criticism, IMO.

Agreed!

re: #137 Russkilitlover

Your text to link...

Oh, dear. I think I f'd up the link thingy, but Romney's piece in the NYT gets the auto mess mostly right.

He pretty much nailed it. I especially loved this, "Investments must be made for the future. No more focus on quarterly earnings or the kind of short-term stock appreciation that means quick riches for executives with options. Manage with an eye on cash flow, balance sheets and long-term appreciation. Invest in truly competitive products and innovative technologies — especially fuel-saving designs — that may not arrive for years. Starving research and development is like eating the seed corn."

re: #163 Pastorius

We ought to abolish the prisons. Barack Obama's friend said that.

Wouldn't that help him balance the budget? Oh and legalize the drugs so he can tax them too...and get them legally...

Down is UP! (no I didn't say the DOW)

re: #156 Nevergiveup

Well Charles lucky Luciano did instruct the mafia to support the cause for a price?

Heh... And the KKK were just a misunderstood neighborhood watch? Sure thing.

Boy, in retrospect, the organized mafia bet wrong on the Kennedy's, huh?

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Worse, because the 3/5ths Compromise was a move to try and reduce the political power of the slave states. The slave owners were perfectly fine with the slaves being treated as a whole person for apportionment of representation. Ant the free states didn't want them to count at all. It's ironic that the 3/5ths Compromise is held up as a sin of the Founding Fathers when its intent (and effect) was to reduce the power of slave states in the Union.

re: #163 Pastorius

We ought to abolish the prisons. Barack Obama's friend said that.

Oooops - you mean "just a guy on his street", right?

If Obama keeps appointing the Clinton 2.0 cabinet, Ayers will try to blow up the White House.

Did he say demolish the prisons?
I hope he has lots of guest rooms in his mansion.

It seems like his apology is a tacit admission - how can you deny something when you, just a few seconds earlier, admitted to doing it, tacitly, or otherwise?

That said, given how many people he's apparently dedicated the book to, I can see how he'd forget a few. I mean, seriously, how many people did he dedicate that book to? I assume that's the only page!?

re: #120 lobo91

Yes, they were.

Dohrn plea-bargained hers down to something absurd (aggravated assault, as I recall), and Ayers was acquitted because the evidence against him (wiretaps) was gathered without a warrant.

FBI bungling of what should have been a slam dunk case against Ayers and Dohrn allowed them to beat the criminal charges on a technicality of an illegal wiretap surveillance violation, thus Ayers and Dohrn are now protected by the Fifth Amendment's prohibition against double jeopardy – "… nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb."

I stand corrected

The link also indicates this:

If I were president, I would demand that the Justice Department find some crime, any crime, that the Weather Underground had committed in the past that was not yet adjudicated that can be connected to Ayers and Dohrn to bring them up on charges of terrorism, murder, conspiracy under the RICO statues or under whatever criminal charges I could legitimately muster.

As a lover of America the arrogance of Ayers and Dohrn is galling to me, and as president I would endeavor to once and for all wipe that smug smile off their faces by imposing upon these rogues a very long stint in federal prison.

Regrettably, that plan seems no longer feasible unless new felony charges can be discovered. However, I would encourage some of the family members of those who the Weather Underground unlawfully murdered to bring a class action civil lawsuit against Ayers, Dohrn (a la O.J. Simpson) and against the University of Chicago and Northwestern University – academic institutions that continue to aid and abet these murderous terrorists.

While I understand and respect the legal and judicial history of the Fifth Amendment's prohibition against prosecuting someone twice for a capital offense, we do have the confessions of these people in books, speeches, interviews and in court transcripts. We know that these terrorists for years created utter anarchy and mayhem in America yet have not paid any price for their crimes against humanity and remain unrepentant to this day.

That Obama has no record as a community organizer, as the author of two best-selling memoirs, as a Chicago state representative, as a constitutional law professor, or as an Illinois senator of putting one pro forma statement against the villainous Ayers and Dohrn on the Congressional Record speaks volumes of actually who Obama the Man really is.

re: #162 WrathofG-d

Good post, Wrath!

re: #169 Noam Chumpski

Heh... And the KKK were just a misunderstood neighborhood watch? Sure thing.

Boy, in retrospect, the organized mafia bet wrong on the Kennedy's, huh?

I am not white washing the mafia, but they did cooporate with the Federal Government during WW2 on certian issues, in exchange for Luciano's evential release and deportation.

I don't know what the story is with the Kennedy clan and wish I did. That Ayers DID dedicate Prarie Fire to, among others, the murderer of Bobby Kennedy is now well know and wasn't really much of a secret before the Election. But somehow or other Caroline Kennedy (I think) wound up on Obama's Campagin team as a major player.
And even she didn't know about Obama/Ayers? Maybe.
But she does NOW.
Awaiting denuciation of Ayers from ANY member of the Kennedy clan any day now, any day now. And if it comes it will be without any sort of attachment to Obama at all.
Bobby was certainly a controversial figure (much more so than President John F. Kennedy) but I would have thought the Kennedy family clan loyalty would have won out over that.

Question - Whenever I hit "new comments", my system locks up and I have to hit "refresh" to get anything to function. Likewise, when I press "post this comment" the system appears to lock up. Is this LGF or my computer? I have never seen this before on LGF....

re: #161 red satellite

To Ayers is human, To forgive - ain't f***in' happening.

LOL, I'll have to email that one to turnspawn.

re: #9 lawhawk

Of course, the body count that Ayers claims as being zero is just a rounding error. After all, he forgets the three terrorist cohorts killed while assembling the bomb of his design for use at Fort Dix. It ignores the murder of two NYS troopers and a security guard in the Brinks heist, and I believe at least one other policeman killed by bombs used by the Weather Underground in pursuit of their revolution.

Incompetence shouldn't be a defense. Their bombs were made with nails and metal bits. The intent was to harm people even if they failed at it. Lord only knows what the body count would have been if the bomb to be planted at Fort Dix had been successful.

re: #151 Noam Chumpski

No, they are not loyal Americans. Why would you think that?

It is against the self-interest of parasites to kill their host. That is the extent of the mobs loyalty to America.

re: #148 daledog

Speaking as a Catholic myself, there is no phrase that makes my skin crawl as much as "social justice."

re: #148 daledog

OT, and I hope this is not insulting to anyone.

This weekend the Catholic Church is doing a second collection for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. The CCHD has prior connections to ACORN.

[Link: www.catholicchronicle.org...]

I stress prior, but any connection is enough to make me ill.

Three weeks ago, I was being exhorted to vote for the pro-life candidate. Today I am being asked to donate to the CCHD. I've been a Catholic my whole life, but I cannot deal with this kind of inconsistency. There is a left-wing 'social justice' (purposefully vague) faction in the American Catholic church that really drives me crazy.

I wouldn't give to them, either. I'd rather give the money to Priests for Life (Fr. Pavone), or the St. Vincent de Paul Society.

May God's will be done on Bill Ayers.
"Cause if it was up to me, there would be blood.

/Vile scum............

re: #168 Right mind left

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance Democratic "Principles" is Strength.

re: #130 lifeofthemind

Just tell a cabbie to take the RFK bridge and see what happens to you.

/and now Billy Joe MacAllister's jumped off the Chappaquiddick Bridge

re: #176 Nevergiveup

I am not white washing the mafia, but they did cooporate with the Federal Government during WW2 on certian issues, in exchange for Luciano's evential release and deportation.

An loyal American would do it for free. :)

I'm not trying to roast you. Sorry if it seems that way.

If we ignore Ayers, will he just go away? I liked my world better before I ever heard of him.

This is a typical Liberal sleight-of-hand. It's deceitful, dishonest and elitist all at the same time. He can deny dedicating the book to Sirhan Sirhan, when it is in black and white before your eyes, because he changed the meaning of the word "dedication." He didn't dedicate it because a “dedication” is something else entirely, which you would know if you were as sophisticated as he was. This is similar to the racists who say they are not racists. They changed the meaning of the word in their mind and simply failed to tell you their working definition. It may be different from what you and everyone else in the world thinks of when they use the word "racist" or the word "dedication" but that's not their problem. If you were smart enough you’d ask them for the definition.

re: #87 Ben Hur

You mean it wasn't Sarah Palin?
/

re: #185 Iron Fist

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance Democratic "Principles" is Strength.

And Fairness Doctrine is fair for all...

re: #159 CIA Reject

I am pro-life, but not militantly so. I'm not a single-issue voter. Rudy G. was my favorite Repub candidate. What irks me the most is the inconsistency, and the assumption that I'm not smart enough to recognize the inconsistency. I spoke to the diocese about this, and they replied that the money is used for 'grass roots efforts', 'community organizing', and 'legitimate voter registration efforts'. As if this was not exactly what I had feared.

re: #182 wolfie

Speaking as a Catholic myself, there is no phrase that makes my skin crawl as much as "social justice."

Amen. Or prayers for "peace and justice" or "peace with justice" during the Prayers for the Faithful. Dang P&Js.

re: #163 Pastorius

We ought to abolish the prisons. Barack Obama's friend said that.

The left would have a fit if we executed everybody that was guilty of a crime bad enough to require prison time.

Surely, Barack Obama's friend was not suggesting that we let them go free.

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re: #181 CyanSnowHawk

It is against the self-interest of parasites to kill their host. That is the extent of the mobs loyalty to America.

I am not trying to make the mafia out to be heroes, but they had other interests also. The fascists and Mussolini came down hard on the Mafia in Italy and Sicily. While the Mafia certainly had parasitic interests in the USA's success, they also had other parallel interests.

re: #181 CyanSnowHawk

It is against the self-interest of parasites to kill their host. That is the extent of the mobs "loyalty" to America.

We'll just put "loyalty" in quotes then. ;)

re: #177 realwest

me thinks you will be waiting a very long time Real.

re: #1 DistantThunder

He thinks we are all like the dumbed-down citizens of Chicago.

yep,
OR,
it shows what a jumbled mess his mind is - all those names run together, in no particular order, apparently, and with no context and no apparent relation to each other.

re: #178 WindHorse

I'm guessing it's on your end, things are running normal here.

re: #151 Noam Chumpski

No, they are not loyal Americans. Why would you think that?

It's true, they love their country and are a very patriotic bunch, as much of a backward compliment as that might seem. The leading theory I've read about this is that it's because they view America as the land of opportunity and mobsters are the ultimate opportunists. They enlist in the military anytime there's a war, they hate America's enemies like the Nazis. O'Hare airport is named after WWII fighter pilot war hero Butch O'Hare, the son of Eddie O'Hare who was Al Capone's attorney.

Before someone strawman argues with me, I'm not condoning or praising the mob, I'm just pointing out what's been said and known for some time now.

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

re: #117 Adina in Judea

The "Pals" are quick studies when it comes to learning from the western left.

There has been a political alliance between the Marxists, black separatists, and Islamists who took over the civil rights movement and the PLO since the PLO was formed. That relationship is one of the reasons even "conservatives" like Condi Rice draw a parallel between the "Palestinians" and the girls killed in the Birmingham church bombing.

Well, I think Condi Rice is going back to her own childhood for her feelings about this rather than attempting to be conservative in any way. It was a terrible thing for her to do, but she has these feelings and used them against Israel.

BTW, Adina, I saw your harping last night on the "blacks were 3/5 of a person" thing in the GOP thread. You are misreading that grossly....It was a head-count matter merely, and at a time when only property-holders could vote. Ascribing modern-day therapy-based notions of "personhood" to this political tally arrangement is ridiculous.

You're right - my apologies.

re: #170 Iron Fist

Excellent post!

re: #200 turn

thank you.... I guess I will try again later.

re: #157 turn

Funny, but not too far from the truth I'm afraid. BDS ...

Maybe someone should coin a phrase for the adulation of O despite his obvious downfall. BHO - Blindly Hail Obama?

I'm pretty sure you could grab the first 100 Obama voters off the street, ask who Sirhan Sirhan is, and get a correct response from about 8 of them. Then again, it's probably not much higher in the general public either.

Now, if you ask for the exact amounts spent by the GOP on Sarah Palin's wardrobe during the campaign down to each clothing line designer and how much was paid for each, or what her son's friends wrote on their Myspace pages about who sucks and who doesn't suck...then you're talking about stuff that really matters in 21st century America.

I only wish that BDS was the problem. It's far worse I'm afraid.

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

. . .
BTW, Adina, I saw your harping last night on the "blacks were 3/5 of a person" thing in the GOP thread. You are misreading that grossly. Slaves--not "blacks", slaves, and there were still some white slaves, or at least indentured persons, in the US when the Constitution was adopted--were counted as 3/5 of a person for the purpose of determining population and thus the number of representatives a state would have. It was a head-count matter merely, and at a time when only property-holders could vote. Ascribing modern-day therapy-based notions of "personhood" to this political tally arrangement is ridiculous.

thank you.

re: #175 Adina in Judea

Wrath for M.K.

re: #197 Noam Chumpski

We'll just put "loyalty" in quotes then. ;)

"Loyalty." I don't think that words means what they think it means.

re: #174 Elcid
Hey Elcid! IIRC, Dohrn's federal case fell apart more because all of the evidence that she made, placed and set the timer on the bomb that killed one police officer and blinded another, came from co-conspirators and apparently, under the law at that time, no one can be convicted of Murder based solely on the testimony of co-conspirators. However, she was still liable under State law charges and wound up paying a $1,500 fine and three years probation for committing that MURDER.
That the police were able to independently verify how the bomb was made, where it was placed and when it went off wasn't sufficient to overcome the question of who made it, placed it and set the timer on it.
Ayers' cases against him were in fact bungled by the FBI - who, for reasons only know to the Agent in Charge, didn't bother getting a wiretap for his phone.

re: #196 Nevergiveup

Hey, Bugsy Seigal put out a hit on Hitler if I recall correctly. Not all Mafiioso are bad all the time.

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

I wouldn't give to them, either. I'd rather give the money to Priests for Life (Fr. Pavone), or the St. Vincent de Paul Society.

Exactly. And that applies to non-Catholics as well. Always give to specific charities whose track record you know well. Never cough up to general funds like CCHD or United Way, etc.

re: #201 Crusty

It's true, they love their country and are a very patriotic bunch, as much of a backward compliment as that might seem. The leading theory I've read about this is that it's because they view America as the land of opportunity and mobsters are the ultimate opportunists. They enlist in the military anytime there's a war, they hate America's enemies like the Nazis. O'Hare airport is named after WWII fighter pilot war hero Butch O'Hare, the son of Eddie O'Hare who was Al Capone's attorney.

Before someone strawman argues with me, I'm not condoning or praising the mob, I'm just pointing out what's been said and known for some time now.

I don't want to argue with you either so I'll just write that I respect your opinion, but disagree with your premise... though I appreciate your historical notation about O'Hare.

re: #196 Nevergiveup

I am not trying to make the mafia out to be heroes, but they had other interests also. The fascists and Mussolini came down hard on the Mafia in Italy and Sicily. While the Mafia certainly had parasitic interests in the USA's success, they also had other parallel interests.

Agreed. My post was in support of your statement while pointing out what appears to me to be the obvious limit.

re: #40 CyanSnowHawk

Thanks a lot!. Now I have to mop soda off my keyboard and monitor. ROFL!

I just had a thought (scary....) is there a limit to the number of pardons a president can make? Could 0 just pardon everyone all the time?

171 Karmic Inquisitor,
Yeah, he is appointing retreads, but ominously they are Soros-approved.

re: #207 reine.de.tout

Thanks from me, too!

re: #197 Noam Chumpski

We'll just put "loyalty" in quotes then. ;)

That works.

re: #210 realwest

Three years probation for murder. Damn, but do I feel abused.

re: #208 WrathofG-d

re: #175 Adina in Judea

Wrath for M.K.

Go Wrath! :)

re: #101 Adina in Judea

That is...

Bill Ayers wants to abolish prisons because nothing (including murder or mass murder) should be illegal in the current United States of America, IN HIS VIEW.for himself and his homeys. Of course plenty of stuff (like owning weapons, protecting yourself and your family) will be illegal for the rest of us.

re: #193 daledog

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

I have no problem with praying for "Peace" and "Justice" because I know that "Peace" is G*d's Presence and "Justice" is His will.

Unfortunately the "social justice" types I have encountered in the Church do not understand those definitions.

I am a Pro-Lifer myself, but pragmatically so- ie all I ask of a POTUS is that he not be actively anti-life (like BO). Ronald Reagan addressed the issue perfectly IMHO, and I think that Rudy would probably do the same.

re: #211 WrathofG-d

Hey, Bugsy Seigal put out a hit on Hitler if I recall correctly. Not all Mafiioso are bad all the time.

Was it hilter or el duce? And Bugsy was more of a Jew than most reformed Jews are today?

re: #222 Alouette

Bill Ayers wants to abolish prisons because nothing (including murder or mass murder) should be illegal in the current United States of America, IN HIS VIEW.for himself and his homeys. Of course plenty of stuff (like owning weapons, protecting yourself and your family) will be illegal for the rest of us.

Some animals are more equal than others.

re: #224 Nevergiveup

Was it hilter or el duce? And Bugsy was more of a Jew than most reformed Jews are today?

The idea of Jewish gangsters still flabbergasts me.

re: #149 Pullus Iulius

What the hell was the cake doing outside in the first place.?

re: #158 Right mind left

OH NOOOOOOO...

hahahahahahahahahahahaa

re: #206 mfarmer1

Better yet, ask them If they support Obama and when they answer yes ask them "What do you think about him selecting Sirhan Sirhan as the VP?" and about 95 of them would say "oh, yeah I think Sirhan Sirhan will be good"

re: #227 CalBear84

What the hell was the cake doing outside in the first place.?

I like cake. (required)

re: #215 Dave_Da_Kid

WooHoo! I caused an ASNR! (Acute Spontaneous Nasal Reflux)

re: #211 WrathofG-d

Hey, Bugsy Seigal put out a hit on Hitler if I recall correctly. Not all Mafiioso are bad all the time.

True, no one is bad all of the time. but it's what you do with the other 99% of your time that counts. :)

CyanSnowHawk,

Oh, is Ayers suggesting we execute all the criminals so we can demolish the prisons?

Ok, sounds like a good plan to me.

Wow, Ayers is a swell guy after all.

re: #84 Jimmah

He defends himself against the charge that he dedicated his book to Sirhan Sirhan by saying that it was dedicated to all 'political prisoners' and that was 'stupid to single him out'. So - and this is his defence, - Sirhan Sirhan is a political prisoner, who presumably should be a free man! Oh yes, Mr Ayers, why now that you put it like that you seem all sane and respectable again!
I can imagine Obama's team went to GREAT lengths to ensure this idiots silence during the campaign.

Would seem that Sirhan only became a prisoner after he killed RFK and was brought down so they are pretty sure he was the one.

If he is a political prisoner to anything it is to the mindset of many Palestinians to grievance and victim-hood thereby justifying his killing. Ayers should be dropped in the middle of Afghanistan and should try and convince those tribal types about his theory on jails....there they just kill you for being raped...keeps the prisons clear that way from people like those 12 year old girls who are raped.

Maybe Bill just wants all those prisoners to be executed right away so there is no need for prisons....in that case, I may have to adjust my thinking a tad.

/He truly is just an attention seeker

Greetings from Asunción, Paraguay, where it's hot, sunny, and underdeveloped.

In other news:
iPhone help needed!

So, I had to switch off my iPhone before landing, as they always ask you to do, and I've done hundreds of times. This time, though, when I switched it back on, I got the "activate iPhone" page (with a picture of a USB cable), as if I had just bought the thing and hadn't activated it yet. I switched off and on again, everything looked normal, but then I discovered the none of my iTunes-downloaded music will play (you open the songs, get a cheerful status bar as if they're playing); iTunes-purchased movies won't play; and iTunes-downloaded apps won't work. Music copied from CDs will play, and, oddly enough, iTunes-downloaded podcasts play, even though everything else from iTunes is a washout.

I did not have my phone set up for international roaming anyway, so no way to tell for sure until I get back on US soil, but I strongly suspect that it has "forgotten" it's a phone, too. Since I don't have my Mac with iTunes/iPhone software with me, and won't have time to do this before heading straight back to the NY area for Thanksgiving, this will be a major pain in the ass.

Any other iPhoners out there seen anything like this? Is there anything I can do to make the damn thing "remember" it's already activated, without having access to my Mac?

Thanks in advance....

re: #148 daledog

OT, and I hope this is not insulting to anyone.

This weekend the Catholic Church is doing a second collection for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development. The CCHD has prior connections to ACORN.

[Link: www.catholicchronicle.org...]

I stress prior, but any connection is enough to make me ill.

Three weeks ago, I was being exhorted to vote for the pro-life candidate. Today I am being asked to donate to the CCHD. I've been a Catholic my whole life, but I cannot deal with this kind of inconsistency. There is a left-wing 'social justice' (purposefully vague) faction in the American Catholic church that really drives me crazy.

The left-wing "social justice" faction drives me nuts, too, and I steer clear.

Catholic Charities pregnancy counseling and adoption services is another good place for donations, if you're of a mind.

re: #233 Pastorius

CyanSnowHawk,

Oh, is Ayers suggesting we execute all the criminals so we can demolish the prisons?

Ok, sounds like a good plan to me.

Wow, Ayers is a swell guy after all.

Well obviously! He certainly wouldn't be suggesting that we turn all the criminal loose. That would be stupid.
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re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea of Jewish gangsters still flabbergasts me.

Strange, but true. Arnold Rothstein fixed the 1919 World Series, if you'll recall. Then there was these guys: the Purple Gang, the executioners of the St Valentine's Day Massacre.

re: #232 Noam Chumpski

True, no one is bad all of the time. but it's what you do with the other 99% of your time that counts. :)

Theoretically, if Bugsy had taken Hilter out, would that have evened his book out?

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Everybody else does it. Why should Jews be denied an oppertunity for advancement?

re: #223 CIA Reject

. . .

I am a Pro-Lifer myself, but pragmatically so- ie all I ask of a POTUS is that he not be actively anti-life (like BO). Ronald Reagan addressed the issue perfectly IMHO, and I think that Rudy would probably do the same.

Similar feelings here. Legal abortion is the law and it is not going to be changed.

So those of us who are staunchly pro-life must seek the candidate who is not actively anti-life, and also live our own lives in a manner that it "witnesses" to our beliefs.

re: #239 Spiny Norman

Strange, but true. Arnold Rothstein fixed the 1919 World Series, if you'll recall. Then there was these guys: the Purple Gang, the executioners of the St Valentine's Day Massacre.

A jewish mobster just got blown up in Tel Aviv the other day!

Just some guy from the neighborhood dedicated his book to just some guy in prison.

re: #198 turn
Oh I don't doubt that, but what I genuinely don't understand is WHY. Ayers DID dedicate the book to, among others, Sirhan Sirhan who was obviously and found guilty of murdering the leading light of the Kennedy Clan (after JFK was murdered) and not ONE of the Kennedy's says ANYTHING about it?! WTF?

re: #149 Pullus Iulius

I see that Ayers dedicated it to Richard Harris, too. Perhaps he would care to tell us why that cake was left out in the rain.

I've always wondered about that cake.

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The idea of Jewish gangsters still flabbergasts me.

We're good at everything.

Screw all this political talk. What about my iPhone?! Priorities, people!

re: #232 Noam Chumpski

I wasn't defending Mobsters. I was only sharing an interesting historical note.

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent points!

Thanks again for correcting my statements from another thread last night!

re: #230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And Boca Burgers...yummy

That's not sirhan sirhan in the dedication, it's evans sirhan and sirhan nancy. You right wing guys are always trying to put down community organizers like Bill Ayers and Barack Obama!

I also loved it when Bill Ayers said that all prisons should be done away with. If there wasn't a tool at the ABC interview, he would have been asked three additional questions, should all police officers be done away with? With guns, bombs or just fired? If police officers should be done away with why did you call the police on a Bill O'Reilly reporter if you want police officers done away with too?

Of course the lib media would never ask a domestic terrorist the hard questions it would ask of say, a republican or a democrat running against Barack Obama.

re: #242 reine.de.tout

. . .

I am a Pro-Lifer myself, but pragmatically so- ie all I ask of a POTUS is that he not be actively anti-life (like BO). Ronald Reagan addressed the issue perfectly IMHO, and I think that Rudy would probably do the same.

Similar feelings here. Legal abortion is the law and it is not going to be changed.

So those of us who are staunchly pro-life must seek the candidate who is not actively anti-life, and also live our own lives in a manner that it "witnesses" to our beliefs.

Very well put, reine...ding!

re: #218 Adina in Judea

Thanks from me, too!

I am in the South, and there are so many misunderstandings it drives me nuts.

re: #235 Occasional Reader

Hey OR, did you try throwing it down on the ground really hard? Sometimes pounding on things gets them to working again, I learned that watching the Astronaut Farmer.
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Seriously, the only thing I know about iPhones is that I absolutely refuse to let the juniorturnspawn get one.

re: #253 jorline

Why, thank you!

Are you doing well?

re: #122 WindHorse

Cato, Generally speaking.... what is your location?

I live in Baltimore, Maryland. If you or someone you know might be interested in the adoption, but don't live nearby, I could probably arrange to keep the dog until you/they could pick it up.

re: #255 turn

Hey OR, did you try throwing it down on the ground really hard?

No, but I've tried threats, and bribery. No luck.

re: #240 Nevergiveup

Theoretically, if Bugsy had taken Hilter out, would that have evened his book out?

Ha! That's not for me to say, I think.

Fun to think on though. If Evil kills Evil does that make the killer less Evil?

re: #238 buzzsawmonkey

Is it unusual here for someone to ding UP a post that disagrees with oneself? :)

re: #239 Spiny Norman

Strange, but true. Arnold Rothstein fixed the 1919 World Series, if you'll recall. Then there was these guys: the Purple Gang, the executioners of the St Valentine's Day Massacre.

My grandfather's first week on the job as a police officer.- he was called to the St Valentine's day massacre.

re: #169 Noam Chumpski

Heh... And the KKK were just a misunderstood neighborhood watch? Sure thing.

I can't help it that something as evil as the mob has something as good as patriotism to their country. Like I said, I don't do strawman arguments.

Boy, in retrospect, the organized mafia bet wrong on the Kennedy's, huh?

You ain't kidding. The mob thought it would be great to have a US President and his father indebted to them for doing them a favor. You know how the mob is about repaying favors--I do something for you, you do something for me, and then some.

The mob got out the vote for JFK, JFK makes RFK the Attorney General and the first thing he does is go after organized crime! Needless to say, the mob was disappointed, to put it mildly. That gave rise to the conspiracy theories that the mob was behind JFK's assassination.

re: #258 Occasional Reader

Try harsh language. That never hurts, and it relieves tension :-)

What a lying scum. I regret not having spit on him and his hag wife when I saw them on the train last month. Just the fact that he's a college professor makes me sick.

re: #246 reine.de.tout

I know you put pies on the windowsill to cool, but cakes outside?
It don't make no sense.
Some kind of acid-fueled metaphor probably.