So wait a moment. Anyone can start a Fatah blog? I thought the Palestinians were so poor and deprived of food and energy that they barely have any food and are starving because of the Israelis. Guess the media got that wrong too.

Awesome. I have a few ideas: "Neocons for Israel" blog; "God Bless America" blog....

I'm sure it will be chock full of useful information, and rigorously checked facts, to improve humanity.

/do I have to?

If you thought anti-Semitism was rampant at myobama- wait until you get a load of this.

I'll wait and sign up for MyFatah, the chicks love it

Geez!

Just how many different versions of "AYE KEEEEEEEL YEW!" does the world really need to read anyway?

Woah, the lizard coincidence...might not be a coincidence.

Will it have better security in place then what Obama's user blogs had?

No thank you. I already have my own political blog.

Before any Lizards start getting creative, do you really want Fatah getting your ISP information?

Best to set it up at Kinkos.

Don't want any splodeydopes visiting my doorstep

re: #1 lawhawk

So wait a moment. Anyone can start a Fatah blog? I thought the Palestinians were so poor and deprived of food and energy that they barely have any food and are starving because of the Israelis. Guess the media got that wrong too.

Well, they are using WordPress, poor things....

OT

She's back!

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would say who cares. What are they going to do with it? Send fatah spam or something...

/probably

re: #1 lawhawk

So wait a moment. Anyone can start a Fatah blog? I thought the Palestinians were so poor and deprived of food and energy that they barely have any food and are starving because of the Israelis. Guess the media got that wrong too.

They've got a lot of time on their hands in those "camps".

Can someone start a blog over there and then post all the "Achmed the dead terrorist" videos?

Ideas--

Sarah and her alter ego Hannah Martyrana.

Hannah wears a blonde wig under her headscarf

Are PC's an insult to Islam?

This is interesting, I think. This should provide ample opportunities to point out the finer points of islam for all the world to see. When is hamas starting up?

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

Living off the Fatah of the land?

Probably will have very little to do with "living"...

re: #1 lawhawk

You mistake the power of the impoverished Phakestinian.

Their brand of being impoverished, and on the doorstep of dying allows for blogging time, computers, electricity, money to buy computers, time to use computers, education to actually write on blogs, etc.

We really should send them more money!

re: #4 Sharmuta

If you thought anti-Semitism was rampant at myobama- wait until you get a load of this.

It's going to be different from MyObama? You mean that it will not be all about bashing the Jews and worshipping The One?

/shocked

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

They are just going to get Fatah if they are sitting at the computer all day.

re: #7 bosforus

I don't think it's a coincidence. Atheist Jew also has a blog there.

Well, so it's official then: The world has gone nuts.

Fatah is hosting bloggers? Do they really need any help getting their message out? I thought the BBC et al sort of took care of this thing for them internationally, with NPR and other shills doing their bit stateside.

Eh, but why not. If the future POTUS can have phone banks in Gaza ,why can't these barbarians have Word Press blogs?

Yid with lid is also a lizard.

fateh.net ? Is that a canadian branch of fatah?

Ayers could be their first guest blogger! woot woot!

/do I have to?

Oops, I was looking at Elder of Zion's blog roll. My bad.

OT ,,, you heard it here 1st

The Big Three car companies WILL get a bailout. It's coming out of the Energy Dept budget. The only "tie" it has is that each company must submit a "plan"

Thank you Christopher Dodd!

GGAAAAHHHHH~!

re: #32 sattv4u2

OT ,,, you heard it here 1st

The Big Three car companies WILL get a bailout. It's coming out of the Energy Dept budget. The only "tie" it has is that each company must submit a "plan"

Thank you Christopher Dodd!

GGAAAAHHHHH~!

OFFS!

re: #33 taxfreekiller

if tfk SATTV4U2 were leader for say 6 months, HOURS no more mr bad guys left

I'm a fast worker !

Hello Fatah, Hello Matah, Welcome To Camp Gaza

So, now we can look forward to "suicide blogings"?

Very On Topic:

"At this time, our primary goal is to defeat global terror and to bring stability and calm to the citizens of the world,” he said. The task is not simple, he explained: “Our enemies — the terrorists — are becoming more and more sophisticated, and they use every available resource in order to reach their despicable goals.”

re: #37 VegasRick

So, now we can look forward to "suicide blogings"?

Pajama clad bombers?

re: #37 VegasRick

So, now we can look forward to "suicide blogings"?

Well, at least they'll be quick reads, and gone fast.

Hey, maybe Ed the Weatherman could find his niche.

re: #41 taxfreekiller

sattv4v2
after the first strike
they will run and hide,
the tracking would take
a month or two, all that

Learn from history. The "first strike" will be the only one needed. A modern day blitzkreig if you will!

(see The Godfather, when Micheal Corleone takes care of all the families business in one fell swoop!)

re: #13 maddogg

OT

She's back!

I'd bet that she's "One-shot Sarah".

re: #32 sattv4u2

OT ,,, you heard it here 1st

The Big Three car companies WILL get a bailout. It's coming out of the Energy Dept budget. The only "tie" it has is that each company must submit a "plan"

Thank you Christopher Dodd!

GGAAAAHHHHH~!

Why can't they make all these bailouts loans? At least we'd have a chance of getting the money back.

What is Fatah?

On October 10, 1959, a group of about twenty Palestinians met in Kuwait and secretly formed Fatah (or al-Fatah, which is an acronym standing for Harakat Al-Tahrir Al-Watani Al-Filastini - the Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine), an organization that became the principle component of the Palestine Liberation Organization under the leadership of Yasser Arafat. The actual date of founding is controversial; sources give various dates in the 1950s or early sixties.

Backed by Syria, Fatah began carrying out terrorist raids against Israeli targets in 1965, launched from Jordan, Lebanon and Egyptian-occupied Gaza (so as not to draw reprisals against Syria). Dozens of raids were carried out each year, exclusively against civilian targets.

Fatah's original Covenant called for the destruction of pre-1967 Israel and disavowed interest in the West Bank and Gaza Strip -- then held by Jordan and Egypt respectively. Only in 1968, in the aftermath of the Six Day War, the PLO altered the Covenant to demand the establishment of a Palestinian State on the entire territory of the Land of Israel. Thus, Fatah and the PLO was built around the refugees of 1948-49, and, more than a generation later, these refugees still constitute the core of the organizations' leadership and support cadres.

Fatah was originally opposed to the founding of the PLO, which it viewed as a political opponent. Fatah's popularity among Palestinians grew until it took control of the PLO in 1968. Since then it has been the PLO's most prominent faction, under the direct control of PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat. (ed - and now Mahmoud Abbas/Abu Mazen)

As part of a strategy to gain mainstream recognition, PLO Chairman Arafat publicly renounced terrorism in December 1988 on behalf of the PLO. The United States considers that all PLO groups, including al-Fatah, Tanzim, Force 17, Hawari Group, PLF, and PFLP, are bound by Arafat's renunciation of terrorism. The facts contradict the speeches, however, and PLO-supported terrorism against Israel continued through the 1990s and accelerated after the start of the al-Aqsa intifada in 2000, during which senior Fatah officials were found to be cooperating closely with Islamic militants in directing the violence. The Tanzim, the military arm of Fatah party, funded by the Palestinian Authority, has played a leading role in Palestinian violence, including regularly carrying out ambushes and shootings of Israeli vehicles and facilities.

re: #37 VegasRick

So, now we can look forward to "suicide blogings"?

"Allah willing this blog will self-delete after Friday morning prayers."

re: #43 sattv4u2

Learn from history. The "first strike" will be the only one needed. A modern day blitzkreig if you will!

(see The Godfather, when Micheal Corleone takes care of all the families business in one fell swoop!)

While there's a lot to be said for that, the level of intensity required would be such as to render future habitation challenging.

It'd be interesting to sign up as Aisha.

re: #35 sattv4u2

I'm a fast worker !

It would be 6 hours of actual work and 6 months cleaning up the stains.

re: #45 midwestgak

Why can't they make all these bailouts loans? At least we'd have a chance of getting the money back.

Better yet, why can't they just give every American citizen 1 million if with some of the money we all promise to

A) but at least 1 American (big three) car
B) pay off our mortgages and put some money down on a second home!

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

It would be 6 hours of actual work and 6 months cleaning up the stains.

Just like painting!

re: #50 MandyManners

It'd be interesting to sign up as Aisha.

LMAO!

Since I'm an infidel I'm sure they wouldn't want me to defile their blog by posting somthing on it, but if I were to post I would offer the following useful hint:

Did you know that you can greatly improve the power of a Molotov cocktail by mixing HTH dry chlorine granules with the gasoline after you fill the bottles?

Don't thank mere: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

It would be 6 hours of actual work and 6 months cleaning up the stains.

Leave the stains as a warning to would-be successors.

re: #37 VegasRick

So, now we can look forward to "suicide blogings"?

They take the server down with them.

OT: We have hit a significant milestone in the stock market.

The New York Slimes stock value continues to plummet and it feel below the $6.00 barrier for a while this morning, bottoming out at $5.94 a share a while ago and I was hoping to hear the death rattle for that open sewer of Marxists and US haters.

At the moment it's surged back up to $6.05 a share, but one can still hope.

re: #52 sattv4u2

Better yet, why can't they just give every American citizen 1 million if with some of the money we all promise to

A) but at least 1 American (big three) car
B) pay off our mortgages and put some money down on a second home!

BUY

PIMF

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

"Allah willing this blog will self-delete after Friday morning prayers."

The IMF already has that capability.

Fatah/PLO Phased Plan

The plan in brief:

● Through the "armed struggle" (i.e., terrorism), to establish an "independent combatant national authority" over any territory that is "liberated" from Israeli rule. (Article 2)
● To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)
● To provoke an all-out war in which Israel's Arab neighbors destroy it entirely ("liberate all Palestinian territory"). (Article 8)

re: #54 Sharmuta

LMAO!

Or as Sharmuta!

re: #39 Athos

Pajama clad bombers?

TFK can tell you about those guys in pajamas.

re: #62 Son of the Black Dog

TFK can tell you about those guys in pajamas.

The ones with the flip-flops made from tires?

Lets see..who would be on a Fatah blogroll?

Kos
The UN
Obama.com
DNC
MSNBC
Reuters
AP
Christanne Amanpour

?

re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans

The IMF already has that capability.

So does Charles the Censor :)

re: #47 WrathofG-d

The Tanzim, the military arm of Fatah party, funded by the Palestinian Authority, has played a leading role in Palestinian violence, including regularly carrying out ambushes and shootings of Israeli vehicles and facilities.

Good post, Wrath.

Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists have been leaders in suicide bombings.

Another Al-Aqka Martyrs Brigade plot for a suicide bombing inside Israel was foiled just the other day. An Israeli Arab woman was going to bring a female suicide bomber into Israel to blow herself up in a crowded area. Israel has arrested the Arab woman inside Israel who had been planning to do this soon.

This group is Arafat's own suicide bomber group (Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.)

Mahmoud Abbas pays their salaries to this very day.

I'm startin' a Fatah blog....

I can post definitive bomb-making directions.

1. Pack explosive into knap sack.
2. Add nails, ball bearings, matzohs
3. Attach one detonator wire to explosives while holding red button down.
4. Attach second detonator wire to explosives.
5. If you hear a slight 'pop', go to step 1.

re: #64 greenmiler

Lets see..who would be on a Fatah blogroll?

Kos
The UN
Obama.com
DNC
MSNBC
Reuters
AP
Christanne Amanpour

?

Hugo Chavez.
Cindy Sheehan.
Sean Penn.
Medea Benjamin.

re: #68 MandyManners

Hugo Chavez.
Cindy Sheehan.
Sean Penn.
Medea Benjamin.

I knew I was missing a few

re: #48 Walter L. Newton

"Allah willing this blog will self-delete after Friday morning prayers."

Do you think they will have a version of our beloved Stinky?
If you don't finish your post with either "death to America!" or "death to Israel!" or both your post gets deleted?

re: #68 MandyManners

Hugo Chavez.
Cindy Sheehan.
Sean Penn.
Medea Benjamin.

"Alex, Who are Escaped patients?"

re: #57 3 wood

OT: We have hit a significant milestone in the stock market.

The New York Slimes stock value continues to plummet and it feel below the $6.00 barrier for a while this morning, bottoming out at $5.94 a share a while ago and I was hoping to hear the death rattle for that open sewer of Marxists and US haters.

At the moment it's surged back up to $6.05 a share, but one can still hope.

What happens if a stock goes to zero?

The DOW is up 128 points.

NYT stock price down to $5.97 (go, go, go)

Crude is down to $50.81

I bought gas this morning for $1.75 a gallon. 9.6 gallons cost $16.94. A few months ago that would have been $40.

re: #67 eschew_obfuscation

I'm startin' a Fatah blog....

I can post definitive bomb-making directions.

1. Pack explosive into knap sack.
2. Add nails, ball bearings, matzohs
3. Attach one detonator wire to explosives while holding red button down.
4. Attach second detonator wire to explosives. Go out into the dessert for live (hehe) practice (nothing more humiliating than going to the pixxa parlor and not having it work)
5. If you hear a slight 'pop', go to step 1.

re: #69 greenmiler

I knew I was missing a few

Might be easier to write a list of those that would NOT be on the blog roll. Much smaller list.

I've spotted their mascot.

re: #72 Russkilitlover

What happens if a stock goes to zero?

Then the certificate, if you have one, goes up for sale on eBay as a rare collectible. If you don't have the certificate, then you got nothing.

re: #70 VegasRick

Do you think they will have a version of our beloved Stinky?

They're all stinky.

re: #76 lawhawk

I've spotted their mascot.

SILENCE!

They're not fooling anyone (of us) with this BS or the BS "Saudi Peace Plan" adverts they're placing in Israeli newspapers.

Do they have a Phased Plan Blog, yet?

Fatah's Desire To Destroy Israel

Fatah Phakestinian School Books

FATAH: "Allah, Kill Americans!

Palestinians: Allah, Kill Americans

by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook - October 9, 2007

The Palestinian Authority (Fatah) daily newspaper’s political cartoon today illustrated a prayer for the killing of Americans. A Muslim is shown kneeling in prayer facing a US B-2 Stealth Bomber. The words of his prayer are encased in missiles aimed at Americans:

"Allah, scatter them!”
“And turn their wives into widows!”
“And turn their children into orphans!”
“And give us victory over them!”
[Al Hayat Al Jadida October 9, 2007]

This curse for the death of Americans is a special prayer for Al-Qadr Night (the 27 th day of Ramadan, noted in the corner of the cartoon), when Muslims customarily pray in mosques throughout the night.
This continues the identification by the PA and Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah faction with those who fight and kill Americans. The most recently published 12 th grade PA schoolbooks, for example, call those who fight American soldiers in Iraq "brave resistance.”

re: #71 Guanxi88

"Alex, Who are Escaped patients?"

I'll take asswipes for a hundred, Alex!

re: #82 greenmiler

I'll take asswipes for a hundred, Alex!

Much better!

re: #72 Russkilitlover

What happens if a stock goes to zero?

What happens if a presidency goes to 0?

re: #72 Russkilitlover

What happens if a stock goes to zero?

It means no one wants to buy it, which means the company is seen as essentially worthless.

I already see that nest of sewer rats and cockroaches (just in case you had any doubts about my opinion of the MSM) as worthless.

I will celebrate the day the NYT goes toes up.

re: #61 Walter L. Newton

No thanks.

re: #73 3 wood

The DOW is up 128 points.

It was down 265 a couple of hours ago.

This is an actual rise of 393 since that earlier downward position.

I've got an icon on my phone to check this that I'm pressing a lot these days.

re: #85 debutaunt

What happens if a presidency goes to 0?

That already happened and we'll see what comes of it after January 20th. Although the stock market is giving us a spoilers-laden preview.

re: #81 WrathofG-d

Let's also remember that Fatah and Hamas celebrated the 9/11 terror attack on the US.....

re: #50 MandyManners

It'd be interesting to sign up as Aisha.

The only Aisha I ever met is gay. Softball team

re: #73 3 wood

The DOW is up 128 points.

NYT stock price down to $5.97 (go, go, go)

Crude is down to $50.81

I bought gas this morning for $1.75 a gallon. 9.6 gallons cost $16.94. A few months ago that would have been $40.

Nice. It's not all that much more expensive just up 55 from you. Paid $1.76 a gallon last night. Falling gas prices and a gas price war at the same time - SWEET!

re: #73 3 wood

Here in NYC, gas is still 2.50 a gallon...

re: #92 Honorary Yooper

Nice. It's not all that much more expensive just up 55 from you. Paid $1.76 a gallon last night. Falling gas prices and a gas price war at the same time - SWEET!

Paid $2.01 which is pretty good for Chicago suburbs.

re: #66 Adina in Judea

Good post, Wrath.

Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists have been leaders in suicide bombings.

Another Al-Aqka Martyrs Brigade plot for a suicide bombing inside Israel was foiled just the other day. An Israeli Arab woman was going to bring a female suicide bomber into Israel to blow herself up in a crowded area. Israel has arrested the Arab woman inside Israel who had been planning to do this soon.

This group is Arafat's own suicide bomber group (Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.)

Mahmoud Abbas pays their salaries to this very day.

Think about this:

Oslo (Clinton/Peres) brought Arafat to Arab occupied Judea and Samaria in 1994.

Any 5 year old Pali child at the time is now 20, after 15 years of rabid indoctrination, etc.

And one of the first things Oslo calls for is for the parties to "prepare their populations for peace."

Israel (as Israelis tend to do) took it to the extreme, while the Palis readied for war.

re: #87 Sharmuta

No thanks.

We had a little ice over night here in the Denver Metro area, and it seems Comcast is having intermittent problems with their lines. I went to the store and saw a Comcast truck in the area, working up a pole.

So, I'm in and out until they stabilize this.

re: #93 tfc3rid

Indeed.

re: #92 Honorary Yooper

Nice. It's not all that much more expensive just up 55 from you. Paid $1.76 a gallon last night. Falling gas prices and a gas price war at the same time - SWEET!

If someone had told you 6 months ago you'd be paying under $2 for gas, would you have believed it?

re: #96 Walter L. Newton

We had a little ice over night here in the Denver Metro area, and it seems Comcast is having intermittent problems with their lines. I went to the store and saw a Comcast truck in the area, working up a pole.

So, I'm in and out until they stabilize this.

My Comcast bill has gone up incrementally for the past three pay periods. What's up with that?

re: #70 VegasRick

Do you think they will have a version of our beloved Stinky?
If you don't finish your post with either "death to America!" or "death to Israel!" or both your post gets deleted?

will big stan and little stan be acceptable?

re: #98 Sharmuta

If someone had told you 6 months ago you'd be paying under $2 for gas, would you have believed it?

No because we were being told crude would likely be $200/barrel by December.

re: #97 lawhawk

Indeed.

Any word on that Fatah investigation into who killed the 3 AMERICAN SECURITY PERSONEL MURDERED BY FATAH?

I bet those responsible have gone through American training, while being fed on American dollars while in Jordan since then.

re: #101 midwestgak

No because we were being told crude would likely be $200/barrel by December.

Funny but all the price runup was the result of speculators. Now, those same speculative investors are driving down the prices too. Heh.

A perfect place to hawk their "I (club) JEWS!" bumper-stickers.

re: #99 midwestgak

My Comcast bill has gone up incrementally for the past three pay periods. What's up with that?

Capitalism!

Can a starving child survive by eating a computer?

re: #107 Ben Hur

Can a starving child survive by eating a computer?

Only if its an Apple

bbl

Here's an odd statement from the very bottom of this page:

Palestinian government and leaders still have good relationships with German authorities by maintaining a steady history away from the Israelo-German poker game that dates for centuries.

The Jews and the Germans were playing poker during WWII? Call the revisionists!

re: #98 Sharmuta

If someone had told you 6 months ago you'd be paying under $2 for gas, would you have believed it?

Maybe. I did claim, in spite of the reactions of some folks, that prices could get below $2 again. I just thought it would be via drilling.

re: #99 midwestgak

My Comcast bill has gone up incrementally for the past three pay periods. What's up with that?

No idea, but it made me drop most of the digital stuff.

re: #80 Ben Hur

I just came back and read your explaination of the obscure reference from the last thread. I see ... UN taunting the joos. BTW, I didn't take Nicholson's tone as demeaning to joos, but then again I'm not Jewish either. Thanks, and you're going to have to dumb it down a bit for me in the future :.)

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Maybe. I did claim, in spite of the reactions of some folks, that prices could get below $2 again. I just thought it would be via drilling.

I thought it would be right after we invaded every damn sand trap in the Middle East. What do I know?

re: #93 tfc3rid

Here in NYC, gas is still 2.50 a gallon...

Thank your Liberal Overlords that insist on taxing you to protect the planet since you are obviously too stupid and selfish to do it on your own.

///

re: #77 Guanxi88

Then the certificate, if you have one, goes up for sale on eBay as a rare collectible. If you don't have the certificate, then you got nothing.

All the stock certificates that are fit to print.

re: #95 Ben Hur

Oslo (Clinton/Peres) brought Arafat to Arab occupied Judea and Samaria in 1994.

Any 5 year old Pali child at the time is now 20, after 15 years of rabid indoctrination, etc.

And one of the first things Oslo calls for is for the parties to "prepare their populations for peace."

Israel (as Israelis tend to do) took it to the extreme, while the Palis readied for war.

Yes, they did.

Children in Sderot who were born 7 years ago have lived under rocket fire from Gaza during their entire lives, too.

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Maybe. I did claim, in spite of the reactions of some folks, that prices could get below $2 again. I just thought it would be via drilling.

When everyone was screaming that gas would be 4.00 per gallon by the 4th of July (or whenever) My sister started saying that gas would be 2.00 by Thanksgiving. She figured that since the 4.00/gallon gas was a self-fulfilling speculation, the 2.00/gallon could also be self-fulfilling.

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Maybe. I did claim, in spite of the reactions of some folks, that prices could get below $2 again. I just thought it would be via drilling.

Imagine how low it would go if they DID drill!

Fatah Murdered U.S. Diplomats In 1973

New evidence Arafat killed U.S. diplomats
Nixon historian finds CIA report on Fatah link to 1973 murders
Posted: March 18, 2002
1:00 am Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

A long-buried Central Intelligence Agency report, found in the National Archives by a historian chronicling President Nixon's career, shows the agency, former Secretary of State William Rogers and many other officials were aware of Yasser Arafat's involvement in the 1973 murders of two U.S. diplomats by Arab terrorists.

The files were discovered by Russ Braley, author of "Bad News: The Foreign Policy of The New York Times" and a Nixon researcher who has plumbed the National Archives "Nixon Project," created when Congress took control of the late president's papers, for bits of information about the administration not released to the general public and press.

Braley recently found several boxes of documents related to the 1973 kidnap-murders in Khartoum, Sudan, of U.S. Ambassador Cleo Noel and Charges d'Affaires George Curtis Moore, along with Belgian diplomat Guy Eid by Arab terrorists. Though the files had been, according to Braley, thoroughly purged of information regarding intercepts of Arafat giving the explicit order for the machine-gun murders of the diplomats, one surviving CIA report, found in NSA box 666 and enclosed in a message from Rogers to some 40 U.S. embassies, shows Arafat's complicity in the terrorist crimes. (See a copy of the report: page 1, page 2 and page 3.)

The embassies were instructed to convey the information to foreign governments "orally only," due to its sensitivity:

"Begin text. The Black September Organization (BSO) is a cover term for Fatah's terrorist operations executed by Fatah's intelligence organization, Jihaz al-Rasd. The collapse of Fatah's guerrilla efforts led Fatah to clandestine terrorism against Israel and countries friendly to it. Fatah's funds, facilities and personnel are used in these operations. There is evidence that the 'BSO' operation in Khartoum was carried out with substantial help from Fatah's Khartoum office and applauded by Fatah radio stations in Cairo and Beirut. In addition, Fatah Deputy Chief Salah Khalaf, chief of the 'BSO,' gets an independent subsidy from the Libyan government.

"For all intents and purposes no significant distinction now can be made between the BSO and Fatah. Four of Fatah's 10-man command, including Khalaf, the planner and director of the Munich and Khartoum operations, are idenitified as 'BSO' leaders. Fatah leader Yasser Arafat has now been described in recent intelligence reports as having given approval to the Khartoum operation prior to its inception.....

Ding, ding, ding...

"Senators reached a bipartisan agreement on a bill to support the ailing auto industry, lawmakers said Thursday."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I'm getting sick.

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Maybe. I did claim, in spite of the reactions of some folks, that prices could get below $2 again. I just thought it would be via drilling.

I think I was one of those, questioning your sanity and perhaps substance abuse.

You were right.

re: #111 Honorary Yooper

Maybe. I did claim, in spite of the reactions of some folks, that prices could get below $2 again. I just thought it would be via drilling.

This collapse of oil futures had a major push when Bush said he would allow for domestic exploration and drilling, so you weren't too far off. I can't wait for O to reinstate the ban and potentially watch oil futures racket back up.

re: #104 lawhawk

Funny but all the price runup was the result of speculators. Now, those same speculative investors are driving down the prices too. Heh.

Here's my take on what happened, but I may be wrong:

People who were investing in real estate and mortgages took their money out when that market soured. They then bought oil futures as a way to keep the gravy train going. I this is evident when you had the large investment hosues claiming that oil was going to keep going up. I think they did this to cover for their losses in real estate and mortgages. Then, when the economy soured, partially to realestate and mortgages, partially to high oil prices, they had nowhere left to run. Due to the housing market crash, oil prices climbed as investors moved money. But, due to the housing market crash, and high, unsustainable oil prices, the economy started to crash. One led into the other.

[Link: www.ynet.co.il...]

now another election to worry about. you gentile lizards got it easy.

re: #123 FurryOldGuyJeans

This collapse of oil futures had a major push when Bush said he would allow for domestic exploration and drilling, so you weren't too far off. I can't wait for O to reinstate the ban and potentially watch oil futures racket back up.

And if that doesn't happen, the price of gas will rise anyway. Additional taxes.

NYT stock price down to $5.95 a drop of 6% today already.

Yes!

DOW is up about 48

re: #122 3 wood

I think I was one of those, questioning your sanity and perhaps substance abuse.

You were right.

Hmmmmm, doesn't speak very highly of your market prognostications. ;)

re: #126 midwestgak

And if that doesn't happen, the price of gas will rise anyway. Additional taxes.

I would not doubt one whit that O will reinstate the ban AND increase the federal taxes while introducing legislation to punish the oil companies for their excessive greed.

re: #127 3 wood

NYT stock price down to $5.95 a drop of 6% today already.

Yes!

DOW is up about 48

NYT v and Dow ^....huzzah!

Charles,

the German Federal Court of Justice has banned the Celtic cross:

Bundesgerichtshof verbietet Keltenkreuz

re: #129 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would not doubt one whit that O will reinstate the ban AND increase the federal taxes while introducing legislation to punish the oil companies for their excessive greed.

Last fuel tax increase was during the Clinton administration, I believe.

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

Ding, ding, ding...

"Senators reached a bipartisan agreement on a bill to support the ailing auto industry, lawmakers said Thursday."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I'm getting sick.

Bi-partisan, pfffttt. I'm going to HATE that word within a few weeks. It will be used to make all the shit flung at us as something we should be grateful for as it was all done in a cooperative spirit of bi-partisanship. Gak :~{

re: #132 redstateredneck

Last fuel tax increase was during the Clinton administration, I believe.

IIRC it was to ensure for greater funds to combat Global Climate Change.

re: #131 zuckerlilly

Charles,

the German Federal Court of Justice has banned the Celtic cross:

Bundesgerichtshof verbietet Keltenkreuz

Ring im Schnittpunk

re: #99 midwestgak

My Comcast bill has gone up incrementally for the past three pay periods. What's up with that?

They are just trying to keep up with Charter...

re: #131 zuckerlilly

Charles,

the German Federal Court of Justice has banned the Celtic cross:

Bundesgerichtshof verbietet Keltenkreuz

Is this just for the VB sunwheel (I hope), or a broader ban? Because what these fascist groups are using is a sunwheel, not a true Celtic cross, as seen in many graveyards.

re: #121 Walter L. Newton
GACK! That's all it says, too!
Uh, can y'all move over so there's room for two at the porcelain thrown?!

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

Ring im Schnittpunk

Sauer kraut. Achtung. Weinershnitzel. Gesselschaft.

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

VDH - Failure is not an Option

Americans are creating a therapeutic society in which none of us need fail. No one loses in T-ball anymore. Schools honor a dozen valedictorians. In universities, a "C" passing grade is now the understood kinder and gentler version of the old and now-rare "F."

Our culture forgot that there was once a utility in failure. Failing reminded us of what works and what doesn't -- and how we must learn to avoid the latter. Instead, in our new economic purgatory, no firm, company, state, city or individual ever quite goes to financial heaven or hell. A Bear Stearns or Chrysler neither succeeds nor fails but just sort of endlessly exists.

Need to see the details, but what they were talking about wasn't a bailout - it was basically having the taxpayers purchase / retire auto company debt and provide millions for the UAW and its overpaid members. Only Congress could develop a 'bailout' that exceeds the current market cap of the Big 3 companies....by a factor of at least 3.

If I want to see a Fatah blog I just go to CNN.com

re: #121 Walter L. Newton

Ding, ding, ding...

"Senators reached a bipartisan agreement on a bill to support the ailing auto industry, lawmakers said Thursday."

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I'm getting sick.

It is only bipartisan when the Republicans in Congress do exactly what the Dems want. If they don't, then it is willful obstruction.

Quite a change from before 2006 when resisting the opposing majority party (Republicans for those on the Left Coast) on ANYTHING was the epitome of Democracy in action.

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I agree, to an el cubo bipartisanship occurs when the center and right surrender to the left and do what the left wants. Anything is wrong and obstructionistic.

American Victims of Mideast Terrorist Attacks

((Link))

February 23, 1970, Halhoul, West Bank. Palestinian Liberation Organization terrorists open fire on a busload of pilgrims killing Barbara Ertle of Michigan and wounding two other Americans.

March 28-29, 1970, Beirut, Lebanon. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) fired seven rockets at the U.S. Embassy, the American Insurance Company, Bank of America and the John F. Kennedy library.

September 14, 1970, En route to Amman, Jordan. The PFLP hijacked a TWA flight from Zurich, Switzerland and forced it to land in Amman. Four American citizens were injured.

May 30, 1972, Ben Gurion Airport, Israel. Three members of the Japanese Red Army, acting on the PFLP's bbehalf, carried out a machine-gun and grenade attack at Israel's main airport, killing 26 and wounding 78 people. Many of the casualties were American citizens, mostly from Puerto Rico.

September 5, 1972, Munich, Germany. During the Olympic Games in Munich, Black September, a front for Fatah, took hostage 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team. Nine athletes were killed including weightlifter David Berger, an American-Israeli from Cleveland, Ohio.

March 2, 1973, Khartoum, Sudan. Cleo A. Noel, Jr., U.S. ambassador to Sudan, and George C. Moore, also a U.S. diplomat, were held hostage and then killed by terrorists at the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum. It seems likely that Fatah was responsible for the attack.

September 8, 1974, Athens, Greece. TWA Flight 841, flying from Tel Aviv to New York, made a scheduled stop in Athens. Shortly after takeoff, it crashed into the Ionian Sea and all 88 passengers were killed, including 32-year-old Steven R. Lowe, husband Jeremiah Michel and wife, Kathrine Hadley Michel of Poughkeepsie, NY, Frederick and Margaret Hare of Bernardsville, NJ, Ralph H. Bosh of Madison, CT, Seldon and Etan Bard of Tuckahoe, NY, Dr. and Mrs. Frederick Stohlman of Newton, MA, Don H. Holiday of Mahwah, NJ, and Jon L. Chesire of Old Lyme, Ct; all of which were Almerican citizens. An investigation of the crash conclusively established that it was caused by explosives set in the rear cargo department of the plane.

June 29, 1975, Beirut, Lebanon. The PFLP kidnapped the U.S. military attaché to Lebanon, Ernest Morgan, and demanded food, clothing and building materials for indigent residents living near Beirut harbor. The American diplomat was released after an anonymous benefactor provided food to the neighborhood.

November 14, 1975, Jerusalem, Israel. Lola Nunberg, 53, of New York, was injured during a bombing attack in downtown Jerusalem. Fatah claimed responsibility for the bombing, which killed six people and wounded 38.

November 21, 1975, Ramat Hamagshimim, Israel. Michael Nadler, an American-Israeli from Miami Beach, Florida, was killed when axe-wielding terrorists from the Democrat Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a PLO faction, attacked students in the Golan Heights.

August 11, 1976, Istanbul, Turkey. The PFLP launched an attack on the terminal of Israel's major airline, El Al, at the Istanbul airport. Four civilians, including Harold Rosenthal of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, were killed and 20 injured.

January 1, 1977, Beirut, Lebanon. Frances E. Meloy, U.S. ambassador to Lebanon, and Robert O.Waring, the U.S. economic counselor, were kidnapped by PFLP members as they crossed a militia checkpoint separating the Christian from the Muslim parts of Beirut. They were later shot to death.

March 11, 1978, Tel Aviv, Israel. Gail Rubin, niece of U.S. Senator Abraham Ribicoff, was among 38 people shot to death by PLO terrorists on an Israeli beach.

There are many, many more.

re: #134 FurryOldGuyJeans

IIRC it was to ensure for greater funds to combat Global Climate Change.

This 18.3 cents rate includes the permanent 4.3 cents initially dedicated to federal deficit reduction but which now goes to the Highway Trust Fund.

You know how sacred those trust funds are.

re: #138 realwest

GACK! That's all it says, too!
Uh, can y'all move over so there's room for two at the porcelain thrown?!

Well, an article on Bierbart (sp?) said they are going to divert money from a fund that was set up to lend give money to automakers to develop more fuel efficient cars.

Does that beat all. So, the money put aside to develop cars that will save gas will be put on the back burner so the car companies can continue to make the same shit that has put them into the position they are in.

Yup, makes sense to me (as I bang my head against a pike).

If I didn't have a set IP, I would have so much fun with my "Gay Fatah Ravers" blog...

re: #140 Athos

The problem is that the details keep changing. Look at what the $700B bailout was supposed to do, and what it is doing now. I am not very optimistic that the automaker bailout won't be redirected to some other purpose, like paying off the union in whole instead of in part.

re: #145 redstateredneck

You know how sacred those trust funds are.

Yes... "Trust" us. :)

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

You keep expecting Congress to do something RATIONAL. DO'H!

OT
The browbeating teacher in Fayetteville still has her job.
Do you still have yours?

re: #146 Walter L. Newton

Well, an article on Bierbart (sp?) said they are going to divert money from a fund that was set up to lend give money to automakers to develop more fuel efficient cars.

Does that beat all. So, the money put aside to develop cars that will save gas will be put on the back burner so the car companies can continue to make the same shit that has put them into the position they are in.

Yup, makes sense to me (as I bang my head against a pike).

Stop that! You'll get scales stuck in your forehead!

re: #145 redstateredneck

You know how sacred those trust funds are.

Oh, another slush fund for Congress to play with.

Just got back from the mall. Saw a twenty something white kid in black trenchcoat, black pants, and a "freedom scarf". I started telling my 2 year old in baby talk, in a loud voice, "Oooh, we better look out for thet guy. He looks like some kind of terrorist. Wow. Look out the terrrist, isn't he scary." The kid had a puzzled look on his face.

Oh the ways I amise myself.

re: #148 Noam Chumpski

If I didn't have a set IP, I would have so much fun with my "Gay Fatah Ravers" blog...

lgbtq.fatah.net

re: #156 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, another slush fund for Congress to play with.

See also: tobacco money.

/I've given up on the whole social security fund

re: #151 buzzsawmonkey

Check the link. Maybe it is there.

re: #127 3 wood

NYT stock price down to $5.95 a drop of 6% today already.

Yes!

DOW is up about 48

Back down

Temporary rally based on rumor from Senate sources of an auto deal. Shot down by House sources.

re: #155 buzzsawmonkey

Like rationing energy, or maybe healthcare?

The ideas in and of themselves are rational, but when it is Congress doing the proposing/regulation rationality becomes as hard to find as religious tolerance in Mecca.

re: #144 WrathofG-d

American Victims of Mideast Terrorist Attacks

((Link))

There are many, many more.

Our partners in peace. Joy.

re: #144 WrathofG-d

American Victims of Mideast Terrorist Attacks

Every single one of us.

re: #154 eschew_obfuscation

Dorsally speaking.

re: #149 FurryOldGuyJeans

The details keep changing because there is no intent to look at the root cause of the problem - a cost / management cycle that is non-sustaining....with the UAW being one of the main reasons why the cost structure is so out of whack compared to their competition. Non-UAW auto manufacturing labor in the US gets paid about $43/hr with benefits - the UAW member gets paid about $73/hr with benefits. There are far more retired UAW members getting full pensions / medical coverages than there are active members - so it's a micro version of how social security will implode.

And then there is the other reason why it keeps changing - they don't know what the hell they are doing and they are just making this up as they go figuring its better to be seen doing something (even if it is stupid) than letting the markets sort themselves out from the effects of previous meddling.

re: #163 Ward Cleaver

Fatah/PLO are the "moderate" "good" guys! As far as our gov is concerned.

Must. Resist. Temptation...

This could be a lot of fun!

re: #146 Walter L. Newton
IIRC, Congress had set aside - Wonder of Wonders!-
$25 Billion for the automakers to make fuel efficient cars.
Now the automakers come in asking for - ta da! - $25 Billion to bail them out.
And gas drops to $2.00 more or less a gallon.
So why not divert that fuel efficiency money to bail out the automakers, cause we all know that the price of gas won't go any higer, right?!
I'm telling ya, this is a conspiracy nuts wet dream - do the Oil Companies want to see fuel efficient automobiles? Mmmm, don't really think so. Do the oil companies want the big 3 to keep producing gas guzzlers? mmmmm yes. So gas drops at the pump, no immediate need for those fuel efficient autos so use that $25 Billion to bail out the big 3 so they'll stay in business, making gas guzzlers and when the price of gas goes up - well hell, the Big 3 can go ask for another $25 Billion to make fuel efficient autos.
Wash and repeat.

re: #159 Silhouette

See also: tobacco money.

/I've given up on the whole social security fund

Amazing how Congress keeps finding excuses to issue IOUs to all these supposedly inviolate trust funds without even a hint of even joking about repaying what they "borrow". If anyone else did what Congress does, they would see a LOOOONG prison term.

re: #167 WrathofG-d

Fatah/PLO are the "moderate" "good" guys! As far as our gov is concerned.

That's today's Government.

Next year's Government will add Hamas.

re: #157 Glackinspeil

Here is a real scary terrorist in case you missed the link upthread

I know modern day terrorists use forums and the like for sending each other secret messages disguised within oddly worded sentences. We should start one of these fatah pages and put all sorts of random, faux secret messages up, let them go crazy trying to decipher them.

"The Kaiser will steal my string. GET IT? STRING!? OMG!11"

"The LLAMA is making the DOORKNOB lose its FLAVOR, my brothers. Please respond ASAP!"

"May a diseased yak leave a permanent stain on your Naugahyde sofa."

re: #171 FurryOldGuyJeans
" they would see a LOOOONG prison term."
Say, you know, I think you're onto something there!

re: #172 opinionated

That's today's Government.

Next year's Government will add Hamas.

I would not discount that even Iran might be put on the table for consideration after O goes to Iran and get told by Ahmadinejad how peace loving he is.

re: #175 Crusty

OMG, that all made sense to me. LOL

re: #175 Crusty

I know modern day terrorists use forums and the like for sending each other secret messages disguised within oddly worded sentences. We should start one of these fatah pages and put all sorts of random, faux secret messages up, let them go crazy trying to decipher them.

"The Kaiser will steal my string. GET IT? STRING!? OMG!11"

"The LLAMA is making the DOORKNOB lose its FLAVOR, my brothers. Please respond ASAP!"

"May a diseased yak leave a permanent stain on your Naugahyde sofa."

O.K.....That's.just.funny!

Definitely should be named the Obama cat since it can talk out of both faces.....Two Faced Cat

re: #174 turn

Thanks.

re: #175 Crusty

John has a Long Mustache, John has a Long Mustache.

The Chair is Against the Wall, the Chair is Against the Wall.

re: #175 Crusty

I know modern day terrorists use forums and the like for sending each other secret messages disguised within oddly worded sentences. We should start one of these fatah pages and put all sorts of random, faux secret messages up, let them go crazy trying to decipher them.

"The Kaiser will steal my string. GET IT? STRING!? OMG!11"

"The LLAMA is making the DOORKNOB lose its FLAVOR, my brothers. Please respond ASAP!"

"May a diseased yak leave a permanent stain on your Naugahyde sofa."

You'd have to be careful though.....you could set off a real attack ;-)

re: #166 Athos
Yep. But the head of GM gets what $23 million a year to "run" GM?
Crap, IF I TRIED HARD I could do just as lousy a job and I'd do it for 10% of what he's getting!

Is this "Talk like a terrorist" day?

re: #89 Russkilitlover

If I had any money I'd be investing in fine firearms and ammunition rather than the stock market. Guns are unlikely to suddenly drop to half of what you paid for them no matter what Obambi does in January. The stock market, OTOH....

re: #180 Big Steve

Definitely should be named the Obama cat since it can talk out of both faces.....Two Faced Cat

I had a cat with six toes on his hind legs (looked like he was wearing high heels), but that is just weird.

re: #185 eschew_obfuscation

Is this "Talk like a terrorist" day?

Silence!

I keeeel you!

re: #185 eschew_obfuscation

Is this "Talk like a terrorist" day?

Wish it were Immolate a Terrorist day instead.

re: #152 FurryOldGuyJeans

You keep expecting Congress to do something RATIONAL. DO'H!

I don't care. As I have said it over and over, the folks in DC DO NOT REPRESENT US. The work ONLY for special interest and big money, period, no one here can argue that point with me.

Once again, there has been a general majority of opinion by the American public that a bailout of the 3 automakers is not a good idea, at least not a bailout without some sort of oversight.

Does that matter to the criminals in DC. Of course not. So, they divert funds set aside to help automakers develop more fuel efficient cars, put that program on hold, and give that same money to them so they can continue following the same business model that has put them into the position they are in.

Folks, our problem is not Obama, he can't change anything in DC, for the better or worst. Our problem is we no longer have a representative government. It's gone. All do do is go through the motions of supporting, campaigning and voting for politicians.

It makes us feel good and fools us into thinking that we are effecting change.

No we are not. We are all jerks to believe this anymore.

re: #181 Glackinspeil

Don't let your two year old watch it! Ha

Wow, I was googling to find the spelling of kaffiyeh and typed in "peace scarf"

The top links are to LGF!

re: #186 Iron Fist

If I had any money I'd be investing in fine firearms and ammunition rather than the stock market. Guns are unlikely to suddenly drop to half of what you paid for them no matter what Obambi does in January. The stock market, OTOH....

Let's say that one (E_O) was interested in buying one of the AR-15 clones on the market without spending $2,500. Are there any good quality models available for around $1,000? What's your favorite?

Thanks in advance!

re: #187 redstateredneck

had one of those but he had a extra toe on each front paw he could pick up things used um like thumbs he could also climb up a rope.

re: #190 Walter L. Newton

And all we did collectively on the 4th is affirm we love the criminals.

I couldnt resist:

[Link: vivazionism.fateh.net...]

re: #168 Iron Fist
Yeah, but be careful that no one traces your ISP!

re: #189 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wish it were Immolate a Terrorist day instead.

Maybe we could sabotage some flaming hoops (Hoosier, calm down.....no, I wasn't talking about you.....stop that! Go to your room mister)

re: #196 realwest

Yeah, but be careful that no one traces your ISP!

Sign up an expendable AOL account. ;)

re: #173 buzzsawmonkey

Look for Hamas to push the Phased Plan. I had a whole scenario but I don't need to give them any good ideas.

re: #195 gegenkritik

that will not be up there for very long. 3,2,1, boom

re: #190 Walter L. Newton

I tend to agree with you. Too much blame gets put on the temporary occupant of the White House. The Permanent Kleptocracy just keeps on going.

re: #182 FurryOldGuyJeans

John has a Long Mustache, John has a Long Mustache.

The Chair is Against the Wall, the Chair is Against the Wall.

Wounds my heart with monotonous langour

re: #190 Walter L. Newton
Uh, Walter, I'm not so sure it's limited to Congress either - see my #170 (it IS a conspiracy theorists wet dream!).

re: #185 eschew_obfuscation

Is this "Talk like a terrorist" day?

Dirka Dirka

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

re: #202 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wounds my heart with monotonous langour

That makes too much sense to be code. ;)

re: #201 rawmuse

I tend to agree with you. Too much blame gets put on the temporary occupant of the White House. The Permanent Kleptocracy just keeps on going.

re: #194 FurryOldGuyJeans

And all we did collectively on the 4th is affirm we love the criminals.

I swear, if this doesn't change, I predict there will be a civil war with in the next 20 years. I can almost bet on it.

re: #206 yochanan

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

I think there should be chocolate cake.

re: #206 yochanan

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

Yes, an Obama bobblehead doll for your dashboard.

re: #206 yochanan

Yes, you roll back to zero. :.)

re: #198 FurryOldGuyJeans
"expendable AOL account." Um, isn't that sorta redundant?!

re: #206 yochanan

A laurel and a hearty handshake.

re: #182 FurryOldGuyJeans

John has a Long Mustache, John has a Long Mustache.

The Chair is Against the Wall, the Chair is Against the Wall.

A green Lizard darts out from behind the sun.

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

I swear, if this doesn't change, I predict there will be a civil war with in the next 20 years. I can almost bet on it.

Congress certainly is beginning to resemble Parliament in the 1760's and 70's.

re: #214 WrathofG-d

A laurel and a hearty handshake.

He says the 10,000 post is near!

re: #206 yochanan

A cuttlefish.

re: #200 yochanan

Yeah, but the fun was worth 5 min. of writing. :)

re: #214 WrathofG-d

A laurel and a hearty handshake.

Rock Ridge, Rock Ridge, splended, splended.

re: #185 eschew_obfuscation

Is this "Talk like a terrorist" day?

I KEEEEEEEEEL YOU.

re: #213 realwest

"expendable AOL account." Um, isn't that sorta redundant?!

Yeah, it is, so if one is in Western Washington there is always nocharge.com.

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

Reporter: Sir, those are dummies.
Governor William J. Le Petomane: How do you think I got elected?

Governor William J. Le Petomane: We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!

re: #206 yochanan

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

I am the official keeper of the "Poster Children" list......top 25 career posts (quantity, not quality). You need to be over 20,000 to even come close.

re: #215 Racer X

A green Lizard darts out from behind the sun.

WAY too much sense for it to be code. ;)

re: #224 Athos

I didnt get a harumph from that guy.

re: #206 yochanan

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

How about a hearty congratulations from the room!

May you have many more...

re: #216 buzzsawmonkey

That's another fine mess you've gotten me into!

I'm sorry, Ollie! *whimper*

re: #175 Crusty

I know modern day terrorists use forums and the like for sending each other secret messages disguised within oddly worded sentences. We should start one of these fatah pages and put all sorts of random, faux secret messages up, let them go crazy trying to decipher them.

"The Kaiser will steal my string. GET IT? STRING!? OMG!11"

"The LLAMA is making the DOORKNOB lose its FLAVOR, my brothers. Please respond ASAP!"

"May a diseased yak leave a permanent stain on your Naugahyde sofa."

llamas and camels living together

re: #193 yochanan

had one of those but he had a extra toe on each front paw he could pick up things used um like thumbs he could also climb up a rope.

Handy!

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

I would disagree with you. First, because Congressional corruption has been around almost as long as, if not as long as, Congress itself has been--so Congress being in thrall to big-money boys is nothing new.

Second, because there are plenty of people who do think that the bailouts, if not a good idea, are a necessary step. I don't say they're right, far from it--but there is a lousy level of education not only in the electorate itself but in Congress, and among Congressional staffers, and people who are panicked to "do something" and believe that doing something is more important than doing something intelligent can talk themselves into practically anything.

I'm sorry, I firmly disagree with you. Yes, there has always been corruption, but it is not even looked at as corruption anymore, it's now business as usual (as you own comment seems to indicate).

In the past, there was still enough wiggle room for some politicians to effect change, stop something, slow something down, somehow, someway, beat the special interests.

Now a days, not possible. Just look at the last four years. Why have the conservatives in DC acting so much like liberal? Because they can't do otherwise.

How come the BEST candidate that the GOP could come up with was a soft-skinned old grandfather? Because they can't do otherwise.

It's over, come short of something really nasty happening that put all the special interests plans in jeopardy.

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

I swear, if this doesn't change, I predict there will be a civil war with in the next 20 years. I can almost bet on it.

best kept secret by the press:

the dems have had control of congress

best known campaign news
Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant

re: #230 Eowyn2

llamas and camels living together

That's gonna require a rain suit and hat. Too much spittle for my taste.

re: #206 yochanan

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

No, but we expect you to post something really profound to mark the occasion.

re: #230 Eowyn2

llamas and camels living together

Say it twice and that will make for good code to inform the resistance.

re: #235 redstateredneck

No, but we expect you to post something really profound to mark the occasion.

Why do something totally out of character?

///////

Here we go:

Bipartisan deal reached on aid for automakers
Compromise among group of senators comes after furious Big Three lobbying

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- A small bipartisan group of lawmakers have reached a deal to buoy the struggling U.S. automobile industry, finding common ground after two furious days of lobbying on Capitol Hill by the battered Big Three automakers.
Details weren't immediately available, but the office of Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said agreement had been reached. Senators were set to speak to reporters at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Thursday.

It was not clear whether the compromise plan could draw enough support to get through the entire Senate, however, and reports were also circulating that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would not go along with the compromise, and was pushing Congress to return again in December to continue working on a package.

Democrats have sought $25 billion in new loans for Ford, General Motors and Chrysler, but the White House and Republicans want the Big Three to tap into a previously approved $25 billion Energy Department loan program aimed at helping the companies retool.

Sens. Levin, Kit Bond and George Voinovich were working on the compromise to give the industry $25 billion in loans. The senators' plan would take the $25 billion from the Energy Department program. When the loans are paid back, the money would go back into the energy program.

There will be no end to this subsidy.

re: #206 yochanan

do you get anything for 10,000 posts? as this is my 9,994th one.

I got something for you. Get busy on the posting so I can give it to you.

re: #236 FurryOldGuyJeans

Say it twice and that will make for good code to inform the resistance.

the hamsters are in the pudding, the hamsters are in the pudding

re: #233 Eowyn2

best kept secret by the press: the dems have had control of congress... best known campaign news... Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant

Wrong. It's no secret, special interest and big money own the government, Congress, the House and the Executive branch. And the politicians in DC are criminals.

The biggest failure of the GOP?

NOT pointing out the huge failures of the Democrats.

Interesting article...

High Seas Piracy Finances Terror

Chaotic Somalia is ripe to become the next al Qaeda base. Until now, the country's Islamic fundamentalist militias have been hostile to the pirates. But evidence suggests that at least some ransom money has found its way into the coffers of Al Shabaab, a group on the US terrorist list.

When the terrorists realize that they can not only enrich but also arm themselves through piracy - and hold the world ransom by threatening to blow up oil tankers in the world's strategic waterways - the seizure of Faina and Sirius Star may signal a new, horrifying chapter in the War on Terror.

Islamic fundamentalist groups found a home in the last major haven for international piracy, in Indonesia's Aceh province. It took an act of nature, the 2004 tsunami, to wipe them out. It will take an act of man to destroy this new nest of corsairs.

Get ready to add some new words to the Marine Hymn.

re: #238 3 wood

Here we go:

Bipartisan deal reached on aid for automakers
Compromise among group of senators comes after furious Big Three lobbying

There will be no end to this subsidy.

Were you for the 700 billion?

I can just imagine the entries:

Interests: Hating jews, hating infidels

Looking for nice woman to blow myself up with.

O/T

Do we have a pool of what group of people/manufacturers will be the next bail-out?

we need a pool.

re: #242 Racer X

The biggest failure of the GOP? NOT pointing out the huge failures of the Democrats.

Not Wrong. The biggest failure of the GOP? NOT pointing out the special interest and big money that own the government, Congress, the House and the Executive branch.

But they can't. How do you turn yourself into the legal system when you make believe you are the legal system?

re: #129 FurryOldGuyJeans

I would not doubt one whit that O will reinstate the ban AND increase the federal taxes while introducing legislation to punish the oil companies for their excessive greed.

If he or Congress push for that, they will lose big time in 2010. The only bright side to this mess is the price of gas. If they start messing around with carbon taxes and putting the ban in place again, people are going to be pi$$ed.

re: #246 Eowyn2

I call dibs on airlines

re: #238 3 wood

Bipartisan should be the new "Drink!" word.

re: #244 Walter L. Newton

Were you for the 700 billion?

I was for it before I was against it.

Same as Hank Paulson.

re: #243 Dirk Diggler

Interesting article...

High Seas Piracy Finances Terror

Ha, our politicians just sit in DC and steal. Don't even have to get seasick.

re: #243 Dirk Diggler

Interesting article...

High Seas Piracy Finances Terror

So I wonder if this is subtle inside jobs to funnel money without it looking like a direct support of terror...

re: #250 Russkilitlover

Bipartisan should be the new "Drink!" word.

Sustainable.

re: #245 Hard Right

I can just imagine the entries:

Interests: Hating jews, hating infidels

Looking for nice woman to blow myself up with.

Gives new meaning to "Lewinsky" ;-)

re: #246 Eowyn2

O/T

Do we have a pool of what group of people/manufacturers will be the next bail-out?

we need a pool.

Ethanol producing corn farmers. The damn gubment encouraged them to jump into this scheme, and now with oil prices plunging they are looking to lose tons-o-money.

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

Not Wrong. The biggest failure of the GOP? NOT pointing out the special interest and big money that own the government, Congress, the House and the Executive branch.

If you're going to talk about the J-O-O-S then just say so

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re: #249 Silhouette

I call dibs on airlines

Been there done that, a couple of times. Airlines are awfully quiet right now with oil prices so low. You think that maybe they are shoring up their balance sheets and implementing process improvements so that they can weather the next storm?

This is the 33rd annual great american smoke-out. That day used to really piss me off when I was a smoker.

re: #255 eschew_obfuscation

Gives new meaning to "Lewinsky" ;-)

Doh!

re: #258 Russkilitlover

You think that maybe they are shoring up their balance sheets and implementing process improvements so that they can weather the next storm?