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Texas Board of Education Besieged by Evolutionists

US News | Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:20:03 pm PST

Some people complain when we post about creationism, or “intelligent design,” its cleaned-up stepchild. They say we should focus on important subjects, nobody really cares about this creationism stuff.

But quite a few Texas residents do care about it, as their state has become the latest front in the Discovery Institute’s “Wedge strategy:” Evolution proponents descend on state education panel.

AUSTIN — Texas became the latest stage for the debate about evolution and creationism Wednesday, as more than 80 witnesses trooped before the State Board of Education to weigh in on proposed changes in the public school science curriculum.

With few exceptions, the speakers — scientists, teachers, clergy and grassroots activists — took the side of evolution, saying they feared that the proposed changes will open the door to the teaching of creationism or intelligent design.

Board Chairman Don McLeroy said the lopsided turnout was part of an orchestrated campaign and flatly dismissed the notion that the board is intent on sabotaging the teaching of evolution in public schools, which would defy the U.S. Supreme Court.

“This is all being ginned up by the evolution side,” McLeroy, of College Station, said in an interview during a break. “I’m a creationist, but I’m not going to put creationism in the schools.” ...

“Scientists overwhelmingly consider evolution to be established, mainstream science, and scientists have been crystal-clear in explaining that phony arguments against evolution are based on ideology, not science,” said Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network.

Wendy Holtcamp, a freelance writer, drew a sharp reprimand from McLeroy when she accused the board of lying. “Are you willing to play dice with our children’s education as our nation’s science lead deteriorates?” Holtcamp asserted.

One of the few voices from the other side came from Paul Kramer, a Carrollton engineer, who said that more than 700 eminent scientists welcome the teaching of pros and cons about evolution. Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories “seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.

Also see:
The Wedge strategy.

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1 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:21:48pm

Soothing music. Now this.

2 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:22:04pm
Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories "seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.

Good gravy! Why do they always go with a nazi comparison?

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:22:32pm

re: #1 HelloDare

Soothing music. Now this.

The velvet glove treatment?

4 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:22:58pm
Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories "seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.


Ha!

5 Charles  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:23:50pm

Godwin'ed hisself right out, there.

6 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:25:16pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

You have to love this part:

untested and unproven theories

It's like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Oh wait- he doesn't!

7 cowbellallen  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:26:13pm

I still don't get what the problem is.... if someone could spell it out for me I would quite appreciate it.

8 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:29:24pm
9 LEGION  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:29:28pm

NOW they rename the Tribourough bridge in NY City the RFK bridge- 40 years after his demise? Stop with all this renaming stuff already. Give- me- a- break. Name something once and leave it alone. Name something else after him, yesh.

10 Charles  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:31:13pm

re: #7 cowbellallen

I still don't get what the problem is.... if someone could spell it out for me I would quite appreciate it.

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, looking to push a certain anti-evolution schoolbook they've written (titled Explore Evolution) into Texas public school science classes. This gives them legitimacy and helps them get the book accepted in other states, because Texas schoolbook purchases are so large they influence the whole country.

And someone just stacked the board's science review committee with two of the authors of the very book in question. That's why all these people turned out to protest.

Doesn't it smell a little funny to you? Does to me.

11 Dan G.  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:31:25pm

Where've I heard this evolution = nazi before...?

/

12 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:31:53pm

re: #7 cowbellallen

I still don't get what the problem is.... if someone could spell it out for me I would quite appreciate it.

The problem is evolution has been tested- it's science. ID is not. ID is creationism in a new shade of lipstick.

Read the Wedge Strategy

13 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:32:04pm

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

They are asking for socialism in the free marketplace of ideas.

14 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:32:30pm

re: #9 LEGION

NOW they rename the Tribourough bridge in NY City the RFK bridge- 40 years after his demise? Stop with all this renaming stuff already. Give- me- a- break. Name something once and leave it alone. Name something else after him, yesh.

Any comment from Sirhan Sirhan, or maybe his pal Ayers?

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:35:00pm

OT: Lionheart?


Four arrests in race-hate leaflets probe

FOUR people have been arrested this morning in connection with an investigation into the distribution of leaflets in Lancashire which claim Muslims are responsible for the heroin trade.

A 41-year-old man from Burnley, a 43-year-old man from Blackburn, a 53-year-old man from Preston and a 57-year-old man from Nelson have been arrested on suspicion of the publication and distribution of written material intended to stir up racial hatred and the possession of racially inflammatory material.

16 VegasRick  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:35:43pm

re: #14 Nevergiveup

Any comment from Sirhan Sirhan, or maybe his pal Ayers?

Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment as well.

17 Dan G.  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:35:47pm

Pretty shady how that article allows the last 2 phrases to go unchallenged (i.e. unproven and nazi).

18 USBeast  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:36:54pm

"One of the few voices from the other side came from Paul Kramer, a Carrollton engineer, who said that more than 700 eminent scientists welcome the teaching of pros and cons about evolution. Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories "seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said."

"Untested and unproven theories"...? Those would be "Creation Science" and "Intelligent Design".

Oh, wait. They can't be tested because...well, because!.

19 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:36:58pm

re: #7 cowbellallen

The Creationists (literal believers in the Bible's 'creation' timeline) want their BELIEFS taught in school AS IF those beliefs are FACT.

If it is FACT, there's no need for belief.
If it is BELIEF, there's no need to teach it as fact.

Further, when once that door is opened to Creationists, in America it must then remain open to Islamic Creato-Fascists, Flying Spaghetti-Monsterists, LRonHubbard Alien-Creationists, and even far out weirdos...

Beginning to see The Problem, Allen? :D

20 Charles  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:37:23pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

What makes you think that? The location?

21 stevieray  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:39:48pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Wasn't Lionheart from Luton?

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:39:54pm

re: #20 Charles

That was one of his main themes; that Muslims were responsible for the drug trade. I think he was from Manchester, but I can't recall.

23 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:40:03pm
24 cowbellallen  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:40:11pm

re: #10 Charles

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, looking to push a certain schoolbook they've written (titled Explore Evolution) into Texas public school science classes. This gives them legitimacy and helps them get the book accepted in other states, because Texas schoolbook purchases are so large they influence the whole country.

And someone just stacked the board's science review committee with two of the authors of the very book in question. That's why all these people turned out to protest.

Doesn't it smell a little funny to you? Does to me.

Ahhhh, gotcha. I haven't really been paying attention to this stuff I suppose.

I'm actually a high school student in a Dallas suburb and my dad turned me on to your site a couple years ago. Some of the biology teachers in my school have been talking about how people want to teach creationism in schools... I'm just ignorant on the whole issue and don't really understand why it is such a big deal. I'm not advocating any side, I just flat out don't know anything about the subject, so sorry if my question seemed a little stupid.

25 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:40:19pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

racially inflammatory material.

WHAT? Do tell, what "race" are Muslims?

/duhhh

26 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:41:22pm

Interesting comment from the article...

"Board Chairman Don McLeroy said the lopsided turnout was part of an orchestrated campaign and flatly dismissed the notion that the board is intent on sabotaging the teaching of evolution in public schools, which would defy the U.S. Supreme Court."

I guess it's not possible that the turnout was due to the fact that the scientist and such had a leg to stand on, considering rulings of the Supreme Court, years of research and just plan fact.

27 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:42:03pm
One of the few voices from the other side came from Paul Kramer, a Carrollton engineer, who said that more than 700 eminent scientists welcome the teaching of pros and cons about evolution. Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories "seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.

And this leaves the door open to ID because...why, exactly?

28 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:42:57pm

What is wrong with public school education is that children are not being taught how to read, write, calculate, and reason.

29 psyop  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:43:17pm

re: #10 Charles

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, looking to push a certain anti-evolution schoolbook they've written (titled Explore Evolution) into Texas public school science classes. /blockquote>

Man... Seattle just can't do anything right. I love the city, I just clash with (most of) the people.

30 Cicero05  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:43:31pm
One of the few voices from the other side came from Paul Kramer, a Carrollton engineer, who said that more than 700 eminent scientists welcome the teaching of pros and cons about evolution. Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories "seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.

I wonder if Mr. Carrollton thinks schools should teach the "pros and cons" of geocentrism too so the kids can make up their own minds.

31 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:43:32pm

re: #10 Charles

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, looking to push a certain anti-evolution schoolbook they've written (titled Explore Evolution) into Texas public school science classes. This gives them legitimacy and helps them get the book accepted in other states, because Texas schoolbook purchases are so large they influence the whole country.

And someone just stacked the board's science review committee with two of the authors of the very book in question. That's why all these people turned out to protest.

Doesn't it smell a little funny to you? Does to me.

It seems funny to me as well. Evolution is a theory, but it is the one that best fits the facts. We should teach the truth as best we know it.

32 Dan G.  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:43:46pm

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

The article is a bit lopsided itself... one the one hand you have evolution proponents performing lopsided turnouts to support a mainstream supported idea and on the other you have an engineer asking for proof (unchallenged). Sounds like the author is reaching out to those who don't know much about the topic and is trying to make the creationsists sound like they're just looking for proof...

33 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:43:53pm

re: #24 cowbellallen

Ahhhh, gotcha. I haven't really been paying attention to this stuff I suppose.

I'm actually a high school student in a Dallas suburb and my dad turned me on to your site a couple years ago. Some of the biology teachers in my school have been talking about how people want to teach creationism in schools... I'm just ignorant on the whole issue and don't really understand why it is such a big deal. I'm not advocating any side, I just flat out don't know anything about the subject, so sorry if my question seemed a little stupid.

Not stupid at all, we don't expect everyone to know all the background on everything. Keep asking. (Although, if you keep asking the same thing over and over again hoping for a different answer, then we may get around to the stupid label.)

34 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:44:35pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

That was one of his main themes; that Muslims were responsible for the drug trade. I think he was from Manchester, but I can't recall.

Who is Lionheart again?

35 Dan G.  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:45:36pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

A bigot who was shown the door.

36 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:45:47pm

re: #20 Charles

and there's also this....

CONTROVERSIAL British National Party leader Nick Griffin visited Burnley as thousands of BNP members panicked over a leaked membership list.
Mr Griffin joined protesters outside Burnley Police Station the day after the leaked list exposed teachers, prison officers and police officers as members of the party, along with 74 residents in the Burnley area.

He was in town to support four men arrested in connection with an investigation into the distribution of alleged racially inflammatory leaflets, but faced a barrage of questions from the media relating to the list.

I think the source is here but the article won't display for me.

37 psyop  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:46:10pm

re: #28 Alouette

What is wrong with public school education is that children are not being taught how to read, write, calculate, and reason.

Ahhh... the three R's....

38 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:46:15pm

re: #24 cowbellallen

Wow- you're still in high school? I didn't realize we had Lizards that young here. Cool!

And you should listen to your teachers on this issue. Intelligent Design is more of a philosophy, and isn't science in any way.

39 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:46:46pm
40 Tom on the rez  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:47:01pm

“Are you willing to play dice with our children’s education as our nation’s science lead deteriorates?”

That's just what we're doing by letting freshmen choose their own tax-paid majors. If we're going to pay for it, shouldn't we tell them what we're willing to pay for (hard sciences, engineering, etc.). This country should plan for its future - let the social science majors pay their own way.

Or maybe I just read too much Jerry Pournelle.

41 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:50:04pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. To which I would add, "memorize."

I recall being required to learn poetry by heart in gradeschool English classes. It acquainted me with certain classics, and classic turns of phrase; it taught grammar, language rhythm, vocabulary, an appreciation for the spoken tongue; it increased memory capacity, which stood me in good stead when I was required to learn vocabulary in foreign-language classes. All of which are virtues that have now gone by the board.

I second THAT!

Punching keys on a solar-powered calculator is no substitute for 9x7=63
MEMORIZED... and learning how to master the memorization process, the techniques of memorization... THESE and the ability to REASON are far more important tnan "Here, Johnny, click this to get Excel... and click THIS for Word..."

42 bosforus  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:50:44pm

NO! Not science!
/

44 least  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:51:48pm

re: #40 Tom on the rez

Or maybe I just read too much Jerry Pournelle.


I dunno if that's possible.

45 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:51:53pm

re: #10 Charles

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, looking to push a certain anti-evolution schoolbook they've written (titled Explore Evolution) into Texas public school science classes. This gives them legitimacy and helps them get the book accepted in other states, because Texas schoolbook purchases are so large they influence the whole country.

And someone just stacked the board's science review committee with two of the authors of the very book in question.

As Gollum would say, "tricksy bastardssssssssssss".

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:52:03pm

re: #40 Tom on the rez

“Are you willing to play dice with our children’s education as our nation’s science lead deteriorates?”

That's just what we're doing by letting freshmen choose their own tax-paid majors. If we're going to pay for it, shouldn't we tell them what we're willing to pay for (hard sciences, engineering, etc.). This country should plan for its future - let the social science majors pay their own way.

Or maybe I just read too much Jerry Pournelle.

Hard to read too much of him. His "Prince of Sparta" series has been a starting point for my understanding of counter-insurgency.

47 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:52:51pm
48 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:52:53pm

re: #43 Neo Con since 9-11

Sorry for the early OT but some good news for the lizards.

Much celebrating tonight.

That's Spinoff worthy.

49 Lumyrra  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:54:06pm

re: #24 cowbellallen

Ahhhh, gotcha. I haven't really been paying attention to this stuff I suppose.

I'm actually a high school student in a Dallas suburb and my dad turned me on to your site a couple years ago. Some of the biology teachers in my school have been talking about how people want to teach creationism in schools... I'm just ignorant on the whole issue and don't really understand why it is such a big deal. I'm not advocating any side, I just flat out don't know anything about the subject, so sorry if my question seemed a little stupid.

As far as I know, we don't mind questions here. It's certain other kinds of comments that get annoying. Personally, I'm glad that you want to know more about the subject.

50 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:54:13pm

When is the election for school board happening again? This occurred in Kansas a few years back right? My memory is not serving me well tonight...

51 WhiteRasta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:54:16pm

Test.

52 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:54:38pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Who else?

53 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:55:21pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. To which I would add, "memorize."

I recall being required to learn poetry by heart in gradeschool English classes. It acquainted me with certain classics, and classic turns of phrase; it taught grammar, language rhythm, vocabulary, an appreciation for the spoken tongue; it increased memory capacity, which stood me in good stead when I was required to learn vocabulary in foreign-language classes. All of which are virtues that have now gone by the board.

I still remember "Stopping by the Woods on a Snowy Evening" by Frost which I had to memorize in the third grade and Lady MacBeth's soliloquy that I had to memorize in high school.

I've tried teaching The Kid the multiplication tables but, he adds it up more quickly in his head than I can flash the sequential cards. When I mix the cards up, he still adds the numbers up quickly.

54 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:56:28pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

Wow.

I didn't hit that 'New Math' crap, memorized my times tables only to 12, thinking myself much maligned, but finding others who memorized to 20!

Logical fallacies, IF--THEN, compared to WHAT?, WHO says? ...

Without these mental strengths, people could fall victim to smooth-talking charlatans with no executive experi-

Woops.

55 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:56:40pm

re: #37 psyop

Ahhh... the three R's....

The four R's

56 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:56:45pm

IMO, about all that needs to be taught of evolution before college is that the theory exists and what it basically states. Despite the centrality of evolution to explaining the "why" of biology, there's plenty of biology to teach that's of much more practical application to non-scientists.

The civic purpose of educating the electorate could probably even be met without getting into evolution at all. It's not like we're going to be voting on policy issues related to evolution, anymore than we're going to be voting on policy issues related to cosmology or plate tectonics.

57 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:57:13pm

re: #43 Neo Con since 9-11

Remember when the moonbats said that if the US killed one leader he would be replaced by 100 others who were worse? Then whenever we kill one of those bastards, violence drops like a rock...

Kudos to the army for killing that scum. If I could ding up their karma, I would.

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:57:39pm

re: #52 Guanxi88

It might be a common theme with the BNP but I do remember there being some speculation that Lionheart was being investigated over leaflets he was distributing or harassing Muslims in his neighborhood. I also saw him over at Spencer's blog talking about the urgent need for him to move to Ireland. I'm just guessing, really it could be anybody.

59 Nevergiveup  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:57:46pm

UN vote shows growing support of death penalty ban

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

So let me get this right. The UN is against the death penalty but have no problem with terrorists killing innocents? Kinda like being against the death penalty but pro-abortion?

60 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:58:15pm
Evolution proponents descend on state education panel

The descent of man!

61 USBeast  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:58:40pm

re: #27 solomonpanting

And this leaves the door open to ID because...why, exactly?

Well, it might be that the only theory that the ID and CS folks want to debate is Evolution which has been proven in the lab, the field and everywhere else beyond a reasonable doubt. To continue such a debate is pointless to the point of being silly and scientists have every right to tell the ID and CS crowd to either come up with some serious proof or sit down and shut up.

62 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:58:49pm

re: #40 Tom on the rez

“Are you willing to play dice with our children’s education as our nation’s science lead deteriorates?”

That's just what we're doing by letting freshmen choose their own tax-paid majors. If we're going to pay for it, shouldn't we tell them what we're willing to pay for (hard sciences, engineering, etc.). This country should plan for its future - let the social science majors pay their own way.

Or maybe I just read too much Jerry Pournelle.

Ummmmmmm...the only tax-payers who paid for my major were my parents.

63 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:58:51pm

Uh oh! This is going to bring them out of the wood work. 5, 4, 3, 2.....

64 monkeytime  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:59:04pm

re: #25 Karridine

WHAT? Do tell, what "race" are Muslims?

/duhhh

Well, they are a different race then the Baptists and Mormons. They are a pretty pure race though. It can get tough when the races start mixing. I knew a racially mixed couple, Dutch Reform and Lutheran. Oh - the kids were really picked on in school.

/sarc

65 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:59:21pm

Stuff like this makes me wonder: On the one hand, we've got the folks who want the curriculum packed solid with indoctrination in leftist orthodoxies and the worst refuse from our academic world. On the other, we've got otherwise decent folk who, for reasons that simply mystify me, absolutely insist that certain fundamental principles of modern science are untrue because they appear to contradict certain truths contained in revealed scripture.

Not to sound like the RamBam on this one, but if what we know by the power of reason to be true appears to contradict what we know by revelation to be true, then we must attempt to understand the origin of the conflict. In every case, the source of the problem is in our inadequate understanding of the revealed truth. The language of prophecy is not the language of science; the former speaks in metaphors and images, the latter in concrete, clear expression.

66 bryantms  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:59:23pm

I love these threads...

67 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:59:27pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. The only time in my life I was ever a "math whiz" was the year after I returned to the US from living overseas. I had learned the times-tables by rote in the foreign classroom; I came back to a class in the throes of the "new math"--and for two years I was the only person in my class who knew how to multiply.

I had a junior high math teacher who would engage the class in mental calculations thusly:
"What is two times ten plus five plus ten divided by seven times nine plus five divided by ten times three."
She'd say this as fast as one can read this and expected answers immediatley.

68 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:59:35pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. To which I would add, "memorize."

I recall being required to learn poetry by heart in gradeschool English classes. It acquainted me with certain classics, and classic turns of phrase; it taught grammar, language rhythm, vocabulary, an appreciation for the spoken tongue; it increased memory capacity, which stood me in good stead when I was required to learn vocabulary in foreign-language classes. All of which are virtues that have now gone by the board.

Drama and theater classes, which may seem frivolous and "gay" to some, are great incentives for memorization, particularly if the classics (Shakespeare, Euripides) are performed.

Eugene O'Neill, however, sucks. So does Arthur Miller, except for "The Crucible."

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 5:59:59pm
70 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:00:24pm

re: #21 stevieray

I think you're right. I just checked his blog and he does appear to be from Luton.

71 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:00:28pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

It might be a common theme with the BNP but I do remember there being some speculation that Lionheart was being investigated over leaflets he was distributing or harassing Muslims in his neighborhood. I also saw him over at Spencer's blog talking about the urgent need for him to move to Ireland. I'm just guessing, really it could be anybody.

Well, I tell you the truth, the guy just seems made to order for it.

72 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #66 bryantms

I love these threads...

Agreed! Just sit back with a beer and a bag of popcorn and watch the show.

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:00:56pm

re: #59 Nevergiveup

UN vote shows growing support of death penalty ban

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

So let me get this right. The UN is against the death penalty but have no problem with terrorists killing innocents? Kinda like being against the death penalty but pro-abortion?

They only support killing those who can't fight back. Cowards is what they are.

74 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:01:31pm

re: #41 Karridine

I second THAT!

Punching keys on a solar-powered calculator is no substitute for 9x7=63
MEMORIZED... and learning how to master the memorization process, the techniques of memorization... THESE and the ability to REASON are far more important tnan "Here, Johnny, click this to get Excel... and click THIS for Word..."

I was lousy at math. It was my worst subject. But I once dazzled (inadvertently) a bunch of twenty-somethings by working out in my head a good rough estimate for the speed of light in miles per hour, based on knowing it in miles per second. Now... it's really not that hard to do.

75 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:02:09pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

They only support killing those who can't fight back. Cowards is what they are.

If you start out being benevolent to the evil, you end up being evil to the innocent.

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:02:20pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

Wow- you're still in high school? I didn't realize we had Lizards that young here. Cool!

And you should listen to your teachers on this issue. Intelligent Design is more of a philosophy, and isn't science in any way.

Better if they did some research now that they have been exposed to the subject. Taking their teachers as the sole authority could be just as bad as letting some authority figure push ID as science.

77 WhiteRasta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:02:35pm

re: #59 Nevergiveup

There is a big debate in Jamaica about repealing the death penalty.

[Link: www.jamaica-gleaner.com...]

78 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:03:22pm

re: #40 Tom on the rez

“Are you willing to play dice with our children’s education as our nation’s science lead deteriorates?”

That's just what we're doing by letting freshmen choose their own tax-paid majors. If we're going to pay for it, shouldn't we tell them what we're willing to pay for (hard sciences, engineering, etc.). This country should plan for its future - let the social science majors pay their own way.

Or maybe I just read too much Jerry Pournelle.

The blacksmith, the engineer, the artist and the ploughman: It takes all kinds.

79 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:03:39pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

the teacher started us off with the first line of Casabianca ("The boy stood on the burning deck") and went from student to student; each had to supply one line on the spot, in proper rhyme and meter--not the actual lines of the poem, but something we made up.

Teacher: "The boy stood on the burning deck..."

buzzsaw:¨"...and exclaimed, 'it was already on fire when I got here, I swear!'

80 Racer X  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:03:44pm

Here comes the ISS

Left coast Lizards: in about 15 minutes poke your head outside and look up. No need to stick out your thumb - the Vogons will not willingly pick up hitchhikers.

NorCal Lizards should get the best view.

81 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:09pm

re: #41 Karridine

A classic education disappeared from our schools during the 50's onward. As a victim of the 'new math' of the 60's, it forever messed me up in regards to mathematics. The ability to do math in your head pretty much went away with slide rules. So to figure a 15% tip now requires a calculator. IMHO students should be kept away from calculators until they hit algebra, at which point they get to use a four banger calculator. Word processors? They make formatting a document a little easier, but the writing is still the same. Spread sheets? You've got to use some basic programming skills for them to function. The educational foundations of yore are now built on shifting sands of 'new' and often unproven educational theories. Stop experimenting on our children.

82 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:13pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

Well, I tell you the truth, the guy just seems made to order for it.

Agreed. He is the same kind of assclown, even if he isn't a BNP member.

83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:38pm

re: #80 Racer X

Here comes the ISS

Left coast Lizards: in about 15 minutes poke your head outside and look up. No need to stick out your thumb - the Vogons will not willingly pick up hitchhikers.

NorCal Lizards should get the best view.

Too much wind and clouds for me. :(

84 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:43pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

I was lousy at math. It was my worst subject. But I once dazzled (inadvertently) a bunch of twenty-somethings by working out in my head a good rough estimate for the speed of light in miles per hour, based on knowing it in miles per second. Now... it's really not that hard to do.

I was lousy in English OR..

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:44pm

re: #75 Guanxi88

If you start out being benevolent to the evil, you end up being evil to the innocent.

Who said that? (just asking)

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:49pm
87 Racer X  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:53pm

re: #67 solomonpanting

15?

88 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:04:54pm

re: #65 Guanxi88

Stuff like this makes me wonder: On the one hand, we've got the folks who want the curriculum packed solid with indoctrination in leftist orthodoxies and the worst refuse from our academic world. On the other, we've got otherwise decent folk who, for reasons that simply mystify me, absolutely insist that certain fundamental principles of modern science are untrue because they appear to contradict certain truths contained in revealed scripture.

Those two mighty broad brushes with which you're painting your picture.

89 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:05:48pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Now what are the 'police' going to do IF, as the pamphlets claim, the local Muslims ARE, IN FACT, steering and masterminding the local heroin problem?

90 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:07pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Good for him. Good for you.

I know we had to memorize the Gettysburg Address; The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere; Hamlet's soliloquy; Ozymandias--oh, a host of stuff.

I suppose that I was slated as a lyric parodist at an early age, when in a class at 3rd-grade level the teacher started us off with the first line of Casabianca ("The boy stood on the burning deck") and went from student to student; each had to supply one line on the spot, in proper rhyme and meter--not the actual lines of the poem, but something we made up.

All she did was help you hone the talent that God gave you.

91 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:18pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Who said that? (just asking)

Sages, in the Talmud.

92 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:23pm

re: #87 Racer X

15?

You get extra recess!

93 monkeytime  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:32pm

If someones religion has a problem with the proven science of evolution then they need to teach it in Sunday school and not in public school. If it is that important to the parents why don't they get off their bum bum and 1. teach the kids themselves 2. take them to sunday school. I don't want everyone to get free time to teach kids their own personal religious belief in school. I hate to think of what the Scientologists would cook up. Good grief.

94 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:45pm

I am in agreement that creation, i.e. religion shouldn't be taught in public schools. Not because I'm against religion but because so much power rests in the hands of those who teach. They can influence what "flavor" of religion is taught.
Likewise, my concern with the teaching of evolution is the ability of the teacher to move it from science into the realm of faith (or the lack thereof).
If a creationist teacher comes in with an agenda to persuade students to believe a particular religion, I would think that to be detrimental. Also, if a teacher begins to teach evolution to the exclusion of a deity, that would be equally as bad.

95 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:52pm

re: #91 Guanxi88

Sages, in the Talmud.

Thank you.

96 yochanan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:53pm

[Link: www.floppingaces.net...]

I ♥ sarah palin

97 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:06:54pm

re: #79 Occasional Reader

Teacher: "The boy stood on the burning deck..."

buzzsaw:¨"...and exclaimed, 'it was already on fire when I got here, I swear!'

LOL!

98 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:07:17pm

re: #86 buzzsawmonkey

Nope. Not proper rhyme; not proper meter.

There was a young man named Dave...

99 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:07:18pm
100 Racer X  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:07:24pm

re: #92 solomonpanting

You get extra recess!

Yesssss!

*fist pump*

101 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:07:39pm

re: #72 logboy

Break out the heavy stuff when you can tell people are screaming the words while writing them.

102 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:07:52pm

re: #88 MandyManners

Those two mighty broad brushes with which you're painting your picture.

Maybe if we talk about it in terms of Kali, where we have a few more hands available for examples.

103 snowcrash  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:08:00pm

re: #24 cowbellallen
My son is a Junior in (a suburb of Dallas) public High School and isn't aware of any behind the scenes attempts to dumb down science ed. Parents find out what is in the text and on the syllabus for the upcomming year during curriculum night and then can deal with the principal and the school board if needed. It's not a problem in my ISD.
BTW, I'm impressed you post here.

104 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:08:10pm

re: #84 HoosierHoops

I was lousy in English OR..

Stuffy English tutor: Now, there are two words one must never use. One is ¨swell¨, and the other is ¨lousy¨.

[Lucy, Ricky, Fred and Ethel nod in agreement, smiling earnestly]

[long pause]


Fred Mertz: Tell us the lousy one first.


(I don´t know why I remember these things, I swear...)

105 ggt  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:08:29pm

Good Evening Lizards! It's still cold in Near Iowa.

I have a Karma rating--how cool is that. Of course, I don't know what to do with it.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

106 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:08:39pm
107 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:09:10pm

Teaching the background for evolution, such as the conservation of the genetic code, the concepts of mutation, morphogenesis, allelic variation, Mendelian dominance and recessivity, and some population level/ecological concepts like habitat, competition, extinction, should give the teachers plenty to talk about in the limited time available in science class, and form the foundation for higher level theories like evolution in college.

108 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:09:12pm

re: #88 MandyManners

Those two mighty broad brushes with which you're painting your picture.

Well, sometimes, you just gotta paint in broad strokes. It's like sign-painting: if you go for too much detail, it's hard to see. You use the big brushes for the big points.

And, strictly speaking, there's no getting around it: these two extremes I presented are a vanishingly small minority within the spectrum, but hey are there, and are useful to illustrate, by their own extremism, the sort of problem we face. There really are folks who want the education system to do nothing but prepare people for a lifetime of adherence to leftist orthodoxy and lifestyle politics, and there really are folks who object to the teaching of evolutionary theory on purely (and thinly-veiled) religious grounds.

109 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:09:19pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

I was lousy at math. It was my worst subject. But I once dazzled (inadvertently) a bunch of twenty-somethings by working out in my head a good rough estimate for the speed of light in miles per hour, based on knowing it in miles per second. Now... it's really not that hard to do.

I found that trying to program in BASIC on one of the school district's main-frame computer terminals made it easy to understand a lot of calculus. Was especially fun when learning about Non-Euclidean Geometry. Created one "universe" that was shaped like a Pringles potato chip.

110 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:09:24pm

re: #81 Perplexed

My father, born in 1920 and high-schooled in the early '30s, went for another 30 years thinking himself deprived by not having a college education, but then in the 1970s researchers published research papers stating that HIS education was the functional equivalent of a full 4-year collegiate program current at that time (1970's)!

Cheered him for decades, because it validated something his experience had already shown him, Perplexed!

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #102 CyanSnowHawk

Maybe if we talk about it in terms of Kali, where we have a few more hands available for examples.

Ok, if Kali is in the picture, which secretive Obama supporter is Mola Ram?

112 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:09:47pm

re: #89 Karridine

My guess is that this is a situation like the thread from last night where a VB member was accusing Muslims of vandalizing a cemetery.

113 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:10:35pm

re: #102 CyanSnowHawk

Maybe if we talk about it in terms of Kali, where we have a few more hands available for examples.

Kill for the love of killing!
Kill for the love of Kali!
Kill!
Kill!
KILL!

-Gunga Din (the movie, that is)

114 Cutty Sark  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:11:02pm

Did someone equate evolution with nazis ?

You DID hear it before as nazi scientists equated what the Reich was doing , with "survival of the fittest ", not really evolution but an offshoot like Natural Adaption . But it all boiled down to nihilism and superiority of a particular strain of the white race .
Hey wait a minute !

Isn't Texas a Republican State .

I'll bet that entourage of creationists hitting the Texas school system are all Republicans .

It makes for an interesting fight , but parents should know , their kids have well working bullshit detectors .
What everyone here is worrying about , has already happened , via Mom & Dad .....much more influential than a school book . LOL....one need only look at the State of Utah ! Who are we kidding ?

Besides , the muslims got one leg up on everyone , the Saudis pay for schools books AND DISTRIBUTED TO MUSLIM SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY ...THE USA .

They dont fight court battles , and they by-pass all the riga-morole, they simply sneak them in , use them , and when they get busted , they promise to revise them , and guess what ? They dont .

I would be more concerned regarding the teaching of hatred of all that is NON-MUSLIM , giving religious license to JIHAD , rationalizing and thereby justifying the ultimate end of the teaching of hatred .....VIOLENCE .
Such books are already in use , not widely but certainly across this country , Virginia , New York and D.C. to name a few . And in Virginia of all places right in Jerry Falwells backyard .

When I see creationists blowing up airliners , pirating ships , killing innocents , and trying to rule the world by their own narrow standards , then I'll consider worrying about them .

But take heart , it seems many forget , we have a Supreme Court , and we all are entitled to Due Process.....so if the good people of Texas are willing to fight what is being foisted on them .....then The Supreme Court will have the final word , and any "book " they attempt to float , will remain on ice , until the court decides .


However , keep in mind at all times , the Saudi Books and the schools that use them , disrespect , even despise with contempt- American Law when it comes to the tenets of their ideology , and simply ignore .
And believe it , because it's happening right now .

115 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:11:19pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

I would say, rather, that she sparked, or helped spark, a love of wordplay which has been a real pleasure for the rest of my life.

On the other hand, I still haven't learned Photoshop.

If you want to learn photoshop, this guy has an entire series of tutorials. They're pretty insightful.

You Suck at Photoshop

116 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:11:44pm
117 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:12:00pm

re: #110 Karridine

My father, born in 1920 and high-schooled in the early '30s, went for another 30 years thinking himself deprived by not having a college education, but then in the 1970s researchers published research papers stating that HIS education was the functional equivalent of a full 4-year collegiate program current at that time (1970's)!

Cheered him for decades, because it validated something his experience had already shown him, Perplexed!

Ever seen a graduation test for a 6th grader in the late 1800's? Passing that would be equivalent to a high school diploma. Our educators have gone wobbly on us.

118 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:12:12pm

re: #101 SWPaul

Break out the heavy stuff when you can tell people are screaming the words while writing them.


Nah, i just wait and laugh when they get booted.

"HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I AM NOT THE DIRECT DESCENDANT OF THE PTERODACTYL!"

It gets better by the minute!

119 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:12:24pm

re: #24 cowbellallen

Ahhhh, gotcha. I haven't really been paying attention to this stuff I suppose.

I'm actually a high school student in a Dallas suburb and my dad turned me on to your site a couple years ago. Some of the biology teachers in my school have been talking about how people want to teach creationism in schools... I'm just ignorant on the whole issue and don't really understand why it is such a big deal. I'm not advocating any side, I just flat out don't know anything about the subject, so sorry if my question seemed a little stupid.

Play your cards right, you could get voted into office on a decent platform.

120 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:12:24pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

I would say, rather, that she sparked, or helped spark, a love of wordplay which has been a real pleasure for the rest of my life.

On the other hand, I still haven't learned Photoshop.

Your modesty humbles me.

121 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:12:43pm

re: #114 Cutty Sark

Did someone equate evolution with nazis ?

You DID hear it before as nazi scientists equated what the Reich was doing , with "survival of the fittest ", not really evolution but an offshoot like Natural Adaption . But it all boiled down to nihilism and superiority of a particular strain of the white race .
Hey wait a minute !

Isn't Texas a Republican State .

I'll bet that entourage of creationists hitting the Texas school system are all Republicans .

It makes for an interesting fight , but parents should know , their kids have well working bullshit detectors .
What everyone here is worrying about , has already happened , via Mom & Dad .....much more influential than a school book . LOL....one need only look at the State of Utah ! Who are we kidding ?

Besides , the muslims got one leg up on everyone , the Saudis pay for schools books AND DISTRIBUTED TO MUSLIM SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY ...THE USA .

They dont fight court battles , and they by-pass all the riga-morole, they simply sneak them in , use them , and when they get busted , they promise to revise them , and guess what ? They dont .

I would be more concerned regarding the teaching of hatred of all that is NON-MUSLIM , giving religious license to JIHAD , rationalizing and thereby justifying the ultimate end of the teaching of hatred .....VIOLENCE .
Such books are already in use , not widely but certainly across this country , Virginia , New York and D.C. to name a few . And in Virginia of all places right in Jerry Falwells backyard .

When I see creationists blowing up airliners , pirating ships , killing innocents , and trying to rule the world by their own narrow standards , then I'll consider worrying about them .

But take heart , it seems many forget , we have a Supreme Court , and we all are entitled to Due Process.....so if the good people of Texas are willing to fight what is being foisted on them .....then The Supreme Court will have the final word , and any "book " they attempt to float , will remain on ice , until the court decides .


However , keep in mind at all times , the Saudi Books and the schools that use them , disrespect , even despise with contempt- American Law when it comes to the tenets of their ideology , and simply ignore .
And believe it , because it's happening right now .

Fair point, but, speaking for myself, I don't think a theocratic state is a likely result of sneaking this creationsit/I.D. stuff into the curriculum. Rather, I think the risk is further dilution of the value of a public education.

122 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:12:44pm

re: #117 Perplexed

Ever seen a graduation test for a 6th grader in the late 1800's? Passing that would be equivalent to a high school diploma.


Somebody linked to one recently. It was really tough.

123 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:13:03pm

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, no. Get 10% by dropping the last digit of the number, halve it and add the two. Easy.

Now how about using your knuckles to remember which month has 30 or 31 months.

124 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:13:11pm

re: #104 Occasional Reader

Stuffy English tutor: Now, there are two words one must never use. One is ¨swell¨, and the other is ¨lousy¨.

[Lucy, Ricky, Fred and Ethel nod in agreement, smiling earnestly]

[long pause]


Fred Mertz: Tell us the lousy one first.


(I don´t know why I remember these things, I swear...)

Rippity-pippity A.

125 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:13:37pm

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, no. Get 10% by dropping the last digit of the number, halve it and add the two. Easy.

You know that and I know that. How many 18 yr olds can do that in their head?

126 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:13:41pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

"Ehhhh.... could be, Doc!"

127 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:13:54pm
Texas became the latest stage for the debate about evolution and creationism Wednesday, as more than 80 witnesses trooped before the State Board of Education to weigh in on proposed changes in the public school science curriculum.

With few exceptions, the speakers — scientists, teachers, clergy and grassroots activists — took the side of evolution, saying they feared that the proposed changes will open the door to the teaching of creationism or intelligent design.

Game on!

/so, what's the score, who's winning?

128 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:13:58pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

I would say, rather, that she sparked, or helped spark, a love of swordplay which has been a real pleasure for the rest of my life.

Isn't that kind of dangerous?


(I learned this technique from Peacekeeper; the fake typo)
129 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:14:07pm

re: #118 logboy

Nah, i just wait and laugh when they get booted.

"HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I AM NOT THE DIRECT DESCENDANT OF THE PTERODACTYL!"

It gets better by the minute!

It's always fun to watch the troll get the hook.

130 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:14:23pm

re: #81 Perplexed

So to figure a 15% tip now requires a calculator.

So that's why servers now expect to receive 20%

131 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:14:24pm

re: #124 MandyManners

Rippity-pippity A.

Kewpie doll for you! Or, in its absence, and upding.

132 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:14:36pm

and meaning an, of course

133 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:14:47pm

re: #125 Perplexed

You know that and I know that. How many 18 yr olds can do that in their head?

I doubt many 18 yr olds could pick their nose without video instructions.

134 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:14:53pm
135 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:15:02pm

re: #108 Guanxi88

Well, sometimes, you just gotta paint in broad strokes. It's like sign-painting: if you go for too much detail, it's hard to see. You use the big brushes for the big points.

And, strictly speaking, there's no getting around it: these two extremes I presented are a vanishingly small minority within the spectrum, but hey are there, and are useful to illustrate, by their own extremism, the sort of problem we face. There really are folks who want the education system to do nothing but prepare people for a lifetime of adherence to leftist orthodoxy and lifestyle politics, and there really are folks who object to the teaching of evolutionary theory on purely (and thinly-veiled) religious grounds.

In the meantime, the great middle just wants its kids reared, educated and to be productive members of society. That's why I chose a private school for The Kid.

136 Racer X  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:15:21pm

re: #115 DesertSage

If you want to learn photoshop, this guy has an entire series of tutorials. They're pretty insightful.

You Suck at Photoshop

ROFLMAO!

137 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:15:23pm

re: #133 FurryOldGuyJeans

I doubt many 18 yr olds could pick their nose without video instructions.

That's on YouTube, right? I think I saw the tutorial over at instructables.

138 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:16:07pm

re: #117 Perplexed

Ever seen a graduation test for a 6th grader in the late 1800's? Passing that would be equivalent to a high school diploma. Our educators have gone wobbly on us.

And, so have many parents.

139 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:16:37pm

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

Hell, no. Get 10% by dropping the last digit of the number, halve it and add the two. Easy.

Way too complicated. I just don't leave tips.

140 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:16:44pm

re: #135 MandyManners

In the meantime, the great middle just wants its kids reared, educated and to be productive members of society. That's why I chose a private school for The Kid.

Me, too. A religious school, yet, and they teach evolution in science class, and creation in scripture. This way, the kids get to have their dinosaurs and the word of the Lord, both.

Seems to me a minor atrocity, to take dinosaurs away from the kids.

141 Charles  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:17:03pm

re: #114 Cutty Sark

Dude.

142 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:17:10pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Somebody linked to one recently. It was really tough.

My point exactly. You had students who had pencils, paper, ink and pens and little else. They worked and worked hard at their studies. Our educational system has failed the taxpayers and deprived students of a decent education. That's why home schoolers often run circles around the public schooled.

143 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:17:16pm

re: #117 Perplexed

Yes, Perp, I HAVE seen one of those 6th grade tests!

It appears arcane and difficult to me, now, with its furlongs and yards and other measures, but those were the measures OF THE DAY, in common use for the agrarian community of that time, and as such VERY PERTINENT to an honest, successful life in 1880's America...

And there were other aspects, social questions, Constitutional concepts, just as tough! GOOD STUFF, Kiddo!

144 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:17:29pm

re: #131 Occasional Reader

Kewpie doll for you! Or, in its absence, and upding.

Awesome! No. 19,578!

*smooch*

145 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:18:10pm

re: #136 Racer X

ROFLMAO!

You should watch the rest of them. The guy is funnier than shit.

146 Brit in Japan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:18:16pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Good gravy! Why do they always go with a nazi comparison?

Because they can't win the argument.

K.

147 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:18:34pm
148 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:18:36pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's always fun to watch the troll get the hook.

And that is why I like these threads!

149 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:18:46pm

re: #140 Guanxi88

Me, too. A religious school, yet, and they teach evolution in science class, and creation in scripture. This way, the kids get to have their dinosaurs and the word of the Lord, both.

Seems to me a minor atrocity, to take dinosaurs away from the kids.

For some reason, The Kid never got into dinosaurs. He was too busy stomping butt with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

150 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:19:10pm

re: #144 MandyManners

Awesome! No. 19,578!

*smooch*

But I'm closing in.

¨Don't look back, something might be gaining on you.¨

-Satchel Paige

151 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:19:22pm

re: #118 logboy

Give it ten minutes, go to LGF2, read what their new member has to say and have lolz for hours.

152 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:19:44pm

I smell a jwoby.

153 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:20:12pm

re: #43 Neo Con since 9-11

Great news! thanks for posting that.

154 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:20:14pm

re: #142 Perplexed

My point exactly. You had students who had pencils, paper, ink and pens and little else. They worked and worked hard at their studies. Our educational system has failed the taxpayers and deprived students of a decent education. That's why home schoolers often run circles around the public schooled.

What are you talkin about? I can't wait to see how high of marks my boy will receive in putting 'Condom on Banana' day.

/

155 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:20:18pm

re: #151 SWPaul

Give it ten minutes, go to LGF2, read what their new member has to say and have lolz for hours.

I'd rather go swimming in a full cesspool, thank you very much.

156 Sheldon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:20:44pm

OT - What a dope, (Iowa) talk

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157 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:20:57pm

re: #121 Guanxi88

A theocratic state may NOT be the proximal outcome of a pro-ID decision, but that DECISION becomes Thin-Entering Wedge allowing the entry of other belief-systems disguised as 'science', Guan

158 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:21:21pm

re: #147 buzzsawmonkey

The Feral Parents of Park Slope, Brooklyn let their little demons run wild, without discipline of any kind. If the children are extra-destructive they will try to "reason" with them. Nobody "reasons" with a 3-year-old.

I've heard of that neighborhood before, and I have a vague recollection of the problem with their progeny.

159 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:21:45pm

re: #114 Cutty Sark

Lolz. I grew up in a Republican state and I learned evolution! My board of supervisors were probably Republican, so then evolutionists must be Republicans.

OH MY GOD! REPUBLICANS ARE BOTH EVOLUTIONISTS AND CREATIONISTS!

Did anyone know we were actually living in a one-party system where the theory of evolution was the only issue that one based his/her party preference on?!

160 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:22:09pm

re: #149 MandyManners

For some reason, The Kid never got into dinosaurs. He was too busy stomping butt with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

When my youngest son (who was just married last week) was 5 years old, someone asked him, which was his favorite Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. He said, "I don't speak Russian."

161 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:22:41pm

re: #150 Occasional Reader

But I'm closing in.

¨Don't look back, something might be gaining on you.¨

-Satchel Paige

Yeah, yeah. 1,542. I'm skeeeerrrrrred.

162 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:22:46pm

re: #143 Karridine

Yes, Perp, I HAVE seen one of those 6th grade tests!

It appears arcane and difficult to me, now, with its furlongs and yards and other measures, but those were the measures OF THE DAY, in common use for the agrarian community of that time, and as such VERY PERTINENT to an honest, successful life in 1880's America...

And there were other aspects, social questions, Constitutional concepts, just as tough! GOOD STUFF, Kiddo!

So why aren't teachers teaching the way they taught 100 years ago? I believe it is due to mission creep. Teach a person like they did 100 years ago and college would be pretty much unnecessary for most people. Colleges would see a drop in enrollments and that hurts the pocketbook.

163 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:22:58pm

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well if you went over there, then technically....

164 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:23:52pm

re: #141 Charles

Wow. Negative karma closely approaching number of comments.

165 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:23:53pm

re: #151 SWPaul

Give it ten minutes, go to LGF2, read what their new member has to say and have lolz for hours.

Funny as it is, those guys are way farther off the "beaten path" than I like to venture. At least here we have some common ground rules. Over there? Not so much. When I start reading that stuff I can actually feel myself getting loony.

166 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:23:54pm

Hi Lizards..
So I got a new dog a couple of weeks ago..cuter than hell..was living for a year in a polebarn..poor thing.
So yesterday i took Winston to the Vet..
Well after a thousand shots and stuff being poked up his ass and liquid stuff being poured down his nose..boy is he pissed off at me.. He is really sore and cries when you touch him..
But when i walk in the room i see that look in his eyes..Look hoopster..you stay the hell away from me..I walk towards him to pet him he cowers like i was going to abuse him..
Even now i can see him eying me across the room..
Stay away from me you bastard!..
He is pitiful..but i am laughing my ass of.

167 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #160 Alouette

When my youngest son (who was just married last week) was 5 years old, someone asked him, which was his favorite Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. He said, "I don't speak Russian."

TMNT is a Commie plot?! Pizza and lounging around are Revolutionary Measures? Dooooood. I didn't know.

(The Kid and I useta' fight over Mikey.)

168 Charles  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:24:08pm

re: #159 SWPaul

Did anyone know we were actually living in a one-party system where the theory of evolution was the only issue that one based his/her party preference on?!

It isn't.

169 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:24:10pm

re: #151 SWPaul

Give it ten minutes, go to LGF2, read what their new member has to say and have lolz for hours.

re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'd rather go swimming in a full cesspool, thank you very much.

I'd call such a stalker site the cesspool. I've got no desire to see something like that. The only things there are the turds Charles has flushed.

170 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:24:19pm

re: #163 SWPaul

Well if you went over there, then technically....

Ok, I would prefer to do a pre-frontal lobotomy on myself by shoving candy corn up my nose, thank you very much. ;)

171 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:24:27pm

re: #149 MandyManners

For some reason, The Kid never got into dinosaurs. He was too busy stomping butt with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

That works, too. My oldest, the girl, is just nuts for reptiles, and the look of pure joy and wonder on her face when she saw her first dinosaur exhibit at a REAL MUSEUM (yes, Creation Museum, I'm looking at you!) and realized that these wondrous beasts once lived on the same planet that we do, was indescribable.

I can't imagine denying children that, even as I can't imagine trying to make them believe that these things co-existed with humans, and, indeed, with all other modern animals.

172 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:24:56pm

I smell Sarah Palin.

/she's a religious zealot psychopath committed to the concept of imposing a Christian theocracy, you betcha, don't ya know

173 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:25:10pm

Gotta' go beat The Kid. brb

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:25:12pm

Religion of pedophiles.....
The way you Mecca me feel

MICHAEL JACKSON has become a Muslim — and changed his name to MIKAEEL.

The skint superstar, 50, donned Islamic garb to pledge allegiance to the Koran in a ceremony at a pal’s mansion in Los Angeles, The Sun can reveal.
...
Brit singer Yousef Islam, 60 — who was called Cat Stevens until he famously converted — turned up to help Jacko celebrate.

Heh.

175 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:25:23pm

re: #154 Oh no...Sand People!

What are you talkin about? I can't wait to see how high of marks my boy will receive in putting 'Condom on Banana' day.

/

I up dinged you for a funny post. Sadly, it is what some of our schools have descended to for current curriculum. How does that make a child ready for the world?

176 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:25:43pm

re: #157 Karridine

A theocratic state may NOT be the proximal outcome of a pro-ID decision, but that DECISION becomes Thin-Entering Wedge allowing the entry of other belief-systems disguised as 'science', Guan

All right, it's a good point you've got there. Hadn't thought of it like that, but you're right.

177 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:26:17pm

re: #165 logboy

log

/sorry, had to get that out of my system

178 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:26:20pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Gotta' go beat The Kid. brb

Fascist!

179 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:26:27pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Religion of pedophiles.....
The way you Mecca me feel

Heh.

They are just doing as The Prophet did.

180 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:26:28pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Religion of pedophiles.....
The way you Mecca me feel

Heh.

Hey. Now he can target those 6 to 9 year olds and feel good about it.
Mo approved!

181 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:26:58pm

re: #172 Killian Bundy

I think you have Sarah confused with Bobby? :P

182 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:27:00pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Religion of pedophiles.....
The way you Mecca me feel

Heh.

Can we mail them both to Mecca in a box labeled "Mixed Nuts"?

183 LoFlyer  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:27:08pm

re: #166 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards..
So I got a new dog a couple of weeks ago..cuter than hell..was living for a year in a polebarn..poor thing.
So yesterday i took Winston to the Vet..
Well after a thousand shots and stuff being poked up his ass and liquid stuff being poured down his nose..boy is he pissed off at me.. He is really sore and cries when you touch him..
But when i walk in the room i see that look in his eyes..Look hoopster..you stay the hell away from me..I walk towards him to pet him he cowers like i was going to abuse him..
Even now i can see him eying me across the room..
Stay away from me you bastard!..
He is pitiful..but i am laughing my ass of.

Haar, 'me dogs(mates) get really nervous when they recognize we are at the vet, but I always take 'em in together, it just works better that way...

184 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:27:36pm

re: #167 MandyManners

TMNT is a Commie plot?! Pizza and lounging around are Revolutionary Measures? Dooooood. I didn't know.

(The Kid and I useta' fight over Mikey.)

He didn't know what a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle was. He thought it was some phrase in Russian. (He speaks fluent Russian now)

185 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:28:00pm

re: #166 HoosierHoops

The dog will crap somewhere in your house as revenge. Get him some of those green chlorophyll doggie treats. Dog's fight over them.

186 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:28:23pm

re: #175 Perplexed

I up dinged you for a funny post. Sadly, it is what some of our schools have descended to for current curriculum. How does that make a child ready for the world?

Exactly.

/High School Musical 3 isn't true life? (sorry...I had to throw that in there...I was forced to watch it...)

187 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:28:32pm
188 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:28:47pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Another interesting tid bit....

Jackson is due to give evidence in court next week after being sued by Sheikh Abdulla bin Hamad Al Khalifa, second son of the King of Bahrain.

Sheikh Abdulla, who is seeking $US7 million ($10.7 million), claims he helped support the cash-strapped Jackson in the aftermath of his child molestation trial.

Sheikh Abdulla claims Jackson promised to pay back the money, while Jackson says he thought it was a gift.

189 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:29:17pm

re: #181 Thanos

I think you have Sarah confused with Bobby? :P

/Bobby?

190 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:29:43pm

re: #177 Killian Bundy

log

/sorry, had to get that out of my system

By Blamo!

Its fine, but if anyone starts singing "I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok..." I'll be forced to kick your ass.

191 SWPaul  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:29:51pm

re: #168 Charles

Darn! Oh well, one can dream...

Just kidding.

192 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:30:08pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Teachers, and parents, have been subjected to Theories of Pedagogy which have dumbed down most aspects of curriculum.

And yes, college marketing would suffer.

Sad to say, but you're right. By all measures, I'd be a freakin' moron measured against the standards of a College graduate from even 50 years ago. Today, I'm generally considered above average. It's not that I'm that smart or hard-working (I'm not) it's just that so many folks are dumber and lazier.

193 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:30:11pm

re: #181 Thanos

I think you have Sarah confused with Bobby? :P

/Bobby?

194 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:30:22pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Religion of pedophiles.....
The way you Mecca me feel

Heh.

Shmuley Boteach is deeply disappointed, but will attempt to convince everybody that he is not really pissed.

195 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:30:23pm

I think these posts are running 3 to 1 off topic.

196 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:30:42pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Did the gloved one pay taxes on that gift? Inquiring minds want to know.

197 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:30:58pm

re: #195 theparson

I think these posts are running 3 to 1 off topic.

3 to 1? I like those odds.

198 snowcrash  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:31:29pm

re: #166 HoosierHoops
Lure him to you with a treat and then do something fun with him like "tug rope" or go for a walk. He will soon forget the bad association.

199 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:31:31pm
200 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:31:39pm

re: #185 Perplexed

The dog will crap somewhere in your house as revenge. Get him some of those green chlorophyll doggie treats. Dog's fight over them.


Winston is playing the Victim card quite nicely..he won't won't eat any of his favorite treats and has the most pitiful cute look in his eyes...
I've never had a dog or pet before..so he maybe spoiled..

201 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:32:35pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops

Winston is playing the Victim card quite nicely..he won't won't eat any of his favorite treats and has the most pitiful cute look in his eyes...
I've never had a dog or pet before..so he maybe spoiled..

Your dog is name after...?

202 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:32:42pm

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

I'd rather have Michael Jackson convert to Islam than pretend to convert to Judaism.

Oh, that whole Kabbalah thing. His "conversion" would be about all that would be required to officially make it the single most tiresome cult since the EST.

203 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:32:49pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops

Yep. You are in for either a pile of crap or a chewed up article of clothing. A pissed dog does get his revenge.

204 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:32:54pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops

Winston is playing the Victim card quite nicely..he won't won't eat any of his favorite treats and has the most pitiful cute look in his eyes...
I've never had a dog or pet before..so he maybe spoiled..

Spoiled, you got that right. Plus he is trying to see if you are an easy mark for sympathy.

205 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:33:01pm
206 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:33:27pm

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

You've never had a dog before? They are a pain in the ass, and absolutely wonderful.

Good practice if you're ever thinking of getting married and having kids.

207 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:34:05pm
Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories “seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.

Bullshit.
Evolution is neither an untested nor an unproven theory.
And Nazi bookburnings were part of an anti-scientific, anti-Semitic and anti-intellectual movement. These Nazi tactics have more in common with the dogmatic ultra-religious creationist movement than the efforts to keep religion out of the science class.

208 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:34:18pm
209 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:34:29pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

MICHAEL JACKSON has become a Muslim — and changed his name to MIKAEEL.

Will he need to be escorted if he leaves his home?

210 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:34:35pm

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

I'd rather have Michael Jackson convert to Islam than pretend to convert to Judaism.

I'm just hoping that maybe now Shmuley will stop making excuses for him(it?)

211 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:34:58pm

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

It is, however, my understanding that neither wives nor children shed as much.

True, they don't lose hair, but the male's hairloss compensates.

212 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:35:11pm

re: #190 logboy

By Blamo!

Its fine, but if anyone starts singing "I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok..." I'll be forced to kick your ass.

Wot?

213 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:35:24pm

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

It is, however, my understanding that neither wives nor children shed as much.

You never met my ex ;)

214 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:35:43pm

Mocking the Religious beliefs of people who differ from the "mainstream" should be beneath all of us.
Creationist activists should be treated much like the GBLT activists are treated. Politely ignored.

215 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:35:46pm

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

It is, however, my understanding that neither wives nor children shed as much.

Yes, and remember that dogs do not like you running a vacuum cleaner nozzle over them in and effort to get the shed hairs at the source.

216 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:36:34pm

re: #214 Lincolntf

Mocking the Religious beliefs of people who differ from the "mainstream" should be beneath all of us.
Creationist activists should be treated much like the GBLT activists are treated. Politely ignored.

Now, that's some sound advice right there. Very good.

217 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:36:52pm

re: #215 Perplexed

Yes, and remember that dogs do not like you running a vacuum cleaner nozzle over them in and effort to get the shed hairs at the source.

But some kids don't mind at all.

218 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:36:55pm

re: #209 solomonpanting

Will he need to be escorted if he leaves his home?

No, but he just condemned his daughter to needing one. [spits]

219 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:37:19pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Religion of pedophiles.....
The way you Mecca me feel

Heh.

Well, I remember when he was disfellowshipped from the Organization (Jehovah's Witnesses). I was a member at the time and it was a shock since Brooklyn kept his membership a secret to start with.

220 notutopia  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:37:27pm

re: #123 FurryOldGuyJeans
I had to memorize:
30 days has Sept., April, June, and Nov, All the rest have 31,
except leap year, Feb has 29.
God bless those Nuns!

221 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:37:30pm

re: #217 Guanxi88

Little boys would enjoy it.

222 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:37:30pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

Your dog is name after...?

Hi Walter..Winston was living for a year in a barn in Indiana..A close friend rescued him...
Maybe they named him after their favorite cigarette..
But I tend to think he was named after one of the bravest leaders of the 20th Century..maybe a cigar...
/

223 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:38:16pm

re: #200 HoosierHoops

Winston is playing the Victim card quite nicely..he won't won't eat any of his favorite treats and has the most pitiful cute look in his eyes...
I've never had a dog or pet before..so he maybe spoiled..

My 2-year-old granddaughter is visiting right now. I said I would spoil her rotten but this afternoon she had a full meltdown in Walmart.

224 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:38:32pm

re: #207 Spare O'Lake

Bullshit.
Evolution is neither an untested nor an unproven theory.
And Nazi bookburnings were part of an anti-scientific, anti-Semitic and anti-intellectual movement. These Nazi tactics have more in common with the dogmatic ultra-religious creationist movement than the efforts to keep religion out of the science class.

Reckless hyperbole or provable fact?

225 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:38:44pm

re: #214 Lincolntf

Mocking the Religious beliefs of people who differ from the "mainstream" should be beneath all of us.
Creationist activists should be treated much like the GBLT activists are treated. Politely ignored.

Not if public educational materials are being corrupted.

226 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:39:29pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

Not if public educational materials are being corrupted.

Well, obviously, if folks start mucking about with the intellectual infrastructure, then you have to intervene. But otherwise, maybe just ignore them.

227 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:40:06pm

re: #162 Perplexed

So why aren't teachers teaching the way they taught 100 years ago? I believe it is due to mission creep. Teach a person like they did 100 years ago and college would be pretty much unnecessary for most people. Colleges would see a drop in enrollments and that hurts the pocketbook.

Mission creep, and the pernicious effect of Political Correctness and Leftism and More...

Look, Jesus of Nazareth voiced 3 promises in response to direct questions about the Coming of one like unto the Son of Man, and those 3 promises CAN BE SEEN (don't have to be, but CAN be seen) to have all come to completion in the year we now call 1844 or 1260, depending on calendar used.

But the LEADERS, our spiritual-social guides who'd served us so long and so faithfully for the previous 6,000 years of written history, did NOT recognize the One Who came May 23, 1844... instead choosing to martyr Him July 9, 1850, in order to 'prove' He was not the al-Qaim, the Point round which ALL the Prophets of the past revolve...

If, for the sake of discussion, He IS the One promised by Jesus, Ezekiel, Muhammad, Buddha, Habbakuk and others, IF (big if) He is the definition of what is relevant to THIS Day and THIS age, then those ecclesiastics and ecclesiastical organizations that refuse to acknowledge and align themselves with what He brings (the Oneness of Humankind, independent investigation of reality, rational soul, individual responsibility, the equality of men & women...) RELEGATE THEMSELVES to ever more marginalization of their thought, beliefs and attitudes.

If He is NOT Who He says He is, He is of no consequence and will quickly fade into oblivion, rather than have His resting-place pictured on France's recent air-postage stamp commemorating the inaugural service between France and Israel...

Teachers have 'gone wobbly' on us BECAUSE it takes courage and insight to teach reality today, especially when so many (leftists, Democrats, Marxists) have hidden agendas bolstered by obfuscation, dissembling, lying and falsehood.

228 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:40:18pm
229 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:40:35pm

re: #223 Alouette

*Shudder*

People wonder why I don't have kids; it's because of moments like that.

At least my mom could hiss, "Don't make a scene!" and I'd shut up.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:40:48pm
231 Steve Rogers  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:41:30pm

First they called it "Creationism." Then that changed the term to "Creation Science." Then that changed that to "Intelligent Design." Then they try not to mention that, but instead use the phrase, "Teach the controversy" (even though there is no controversy in the scientific community).

Dare I say it...

The name of their claim keeps on...evolving!

232 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:41:41pm

re: #220 notutopia

I had to memorize:
30 days has Sept., April, June, and Nov, All the rest have 31,
except leap year, Feb has 29.
God bless those Nuns!

Stick your hands together and make a fist with each. Counting from Left to right on each knuckle and "valley" between the knuckles:

A knuckle has 31 days, a "valley" is 30 or less (February).

I found it easier to remember that all I needed to know how many days a month had was to make a fist with each hand. ;)

233 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #213 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey
It is, however, my understanding that neither wives nor children shed as much.
You never met my ex ;)

Did she get the vacuum cleaner?

234 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:42:29pm

re: #214 Lincolntf

Mocking the Religious beliefs of people who differ from the "mainstream" should be beneath all of us.
Creationist activists should be treated much like the GBLT activists are treated. Politely ignored.

When they are kept in the confines of their own spheres (home / private associations etc) I would agree, but both groups have a problem with just keeping them there. They tend to spill out intentionally... and then people who just want to get on with life are forced to make decisions on what they normally wouldn't even think are questions.

235 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:42:38pm

re: #228 taxfreekiller

mandy manners

62,229 post

19580 + karma

31.4% postive karma feed back

forget about it tfk..
She's already got an agent..and a manager
/

236 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:42:54pm

re: #233 Spare O'Lake

Did she get the vacuum cleaner?

I barely was able to keep the clothes I was wearing.

237 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:43:34pm

re: #227 Karridine

Bahai?

238 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:43:35pm
239 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:43:36pm

re: #225 solomonpanting

Despite all my searching, I've yet to find one single public school system that teaches Creationism. Find one for me and I'll agree it should be stopped. But, using the artificial shibboleth of crazy dino-denying Christian right-wingers to justify muzzling a particular Religious denomination just doesn't pass my smell test.
I am truly concerned about the horrid state of public education, but "Creationism" is pretty close to the bottom of the list of REAL problems.

240 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:44:27pm

re: #21 stevieray

Doesn't Luton already have enough trouble? ;)

241 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:44:31pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Bingo.

242 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:44:59pm

re: #237 Guanxi88

Respectfully, not here.

243 Right mind left  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:45:23pm

Part of power and control comes from disinformation and control of knowledge.

The world is flat was a theory that caused the dissenters to be in mortal danger, or shunned at best.

We have an essential responsibility to ensure the quality of curriculum that is being taught provides the sparks of interest to fuel bright minds into research and development for future technology. This is put at risk when these kinds of movements get any ground. The beginning of a brain drain as has been seen throughout history...

Keep up the fight - disseminate the evidence, maintain the integrity of what is taught. The teachers have become more and more liberal, more and more open to demanding less of the students and thus we are having a significant erosion in the capabilities of our young graduates.

One of the most exciting things in the world to see is the light bulb going off in someone who has an epiphany - and wants more. It leads to greatness. This can't be stifled!

244 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:45:31pm

re: #227 Karridine

Teachers have 'gone wobbly' on us BECAUSE it takes courage and insight to teach reality today, especially when so many (leftists, Democrats, Marxists) have hidden agendas bolstered by obfuscation, dissembling, lying and falsehood.

NEA Teachers Have Become Re-Educators

/that's the clear and present danger to education in this country

245 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:45:55pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Despite all my searching, I've yet to find one single public school system that teaches Creationism. Find one for me and I'll agree it should be stopped. But, using the artificial shibboleth of crazy dino-denying Christian right-wingers to justify muzzling a particular Religious denomination just doesn't pass my smell test.
I am truly concerned about the horrid state of public education, but "Creationism" is pretty close to the bottom of the list of REAL problems.

Which denomination? I thought we were talking about the effort to diminish the Almighty by having people who claim to follow Him run around saying demonstrably false things about geology, biology, genetics, history, and then to have these slurs against the Almighty inserted into the curriculum of public schools.

246 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:46:05pm

re: #227 Karridine

Um, skip a bit, brother.

247 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:46:13pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Islamic terrorism was not considered a major problem until 9/11/01 either.

248 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:46:17pm

re: #242 Karridine

Not a problem, just asking.

249 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:46:23pm

re: #238 taxfreekiller

tfk

24,096 post
8,394 + karmas
34.8% positive karma feed bag

/pretty amazing if you think about it

250 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:47:03pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

muzzling a particular Religious denomination

Are you impling they're being muzzled everywhere, or only in the science class?

251 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:47:14pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Despite all my searching, I've yet to find one single public school system that teaches Creationism. Find one for me and I'll agree it should be stopped. But, using the artificial shibboleth of crazy dino-denying Christian right-wingers to justify muzzling a particular Religious denomination just doesn't pass my smell test.
I am truly concerned about the horrid state of public education, but "Creationism" is pretty close to the bottom of the list of REAL problems.

So, you are not concerned with this issue unless it starts happening in a school?

252 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:47:27pm

re: #237 Guanxi88

The concept of relevance was what I sought to develop.

IF 'equality of men and women' IS a viable, required attitudinal reality in THIS Day, then people and organizations who ignore it or work to subjugate women are doomed to marginalization and irrelevancy.

253 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:47:32pm

re: #222 HoosierHoops

Hi Walter..Winston was living for a year in a barn in Indiana..A close friend rescued him...
Maybe they named him after their favorite cigarette..
But I tend to think he was named after one of the bravest leaders of the 20th Century..maybe a cigar...
/

I have a nephew named Winston. knowing his father, I can guarantee he is named after the cigarette. I doubt his father was even aware England existed, much less Winston Churchill.

254 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:47:52pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

What particular denomination is being muzzled?

255 gmsc  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:00pm

re: #238 taxfreekiller

tfk

24,096 post
8,394 + karmas
34.8% positive karma feed bag

If this is how we're doing it, here's mine:

2,671 posts
2,219 karma points
83.08% positive karma feed back

256 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:05pm

Evolution vs creationism.........the least of your problems

Obama gives you Eric Holder as your new AG.

(did I hear the toilet flush, yet again?)

257 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:08pm

I'm not seeing the karma percentages (karma/comments) when clicking the football - just the count.

Do we have to do the math ourselves?

258 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:27pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

So, you are not concerned with this issue unless it starts happening in a school?

Worked for Clinton regarding Islamic Terrorism and attack on American interests worldwide.

259 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:36pm

re: #247 FurryOldGuyJeans

Islamic terrorism was not considered a major problem until 9/11/01 either.

Even now... most people have taken Lincolntf's advice he gives about the 'creationists' and they apply it to Islams terrorist spawn...and 'politely ignore' them...

/Hey, it didn't happen to anyone in my family...

260 Tom on the rez  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:41pm

Thank you, MandyManners, for that Rush fix. Maybe it's time for a few Rush CDs. My kids always steal my good ones. Plus, my eight-tracks are starting to squeak.

261 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:45pm

re: #252 Karridine

The concept of relevance was what I sought to develop.

IF 'equality of men and women' IS a viable, required attitudinal reality in THIS Day, then people and organizations who ignore it or work to subjugate women are doomed to marginalization and irrelevancy.

True enough, as we see every day with our own eyes.

262 Racer X  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:56pm

Islam is not a religion.

It is a cult that desires total domination of a society by taking over the government. Preying on spirituality is a means to that end.

263 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:48:58pm

re: #114 Cutty Sark

Did someone equate evolution with nazis ?

You DID hear it before as nazi scientists equated what the Reich was doing , with "survival of the fittest ", not really evolution but an offshoot like Natural Adaption . But it all boiled down to nihilism and superiority of a particular strain of the white race .
Hey wait a minute !

Isn't Texas a Republican State .

I'll bet that entourage of creationists hitting the Texas school system are all Republicans .

It makes for an interesting fight , but parents should know , their kids have well working bullshit detectors .
What everyone here is worrying about , has already happened , via Mom & Dad .....much more influential than a school book . LOL....one need only look at the State of Utah ! Who are we kidding ?

Besides , the muslims got one leg up on everyone , the Saudis pay for schools books AND DISTRIBUTED TO MUSLIM SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY ...THE USA .

They dont fight court battles , and they by-pass all the riga-morole, they simply sneak them in , use them , and when they get busted , they promise to revise them , and guess what ? They dont .

I would be more concerned regarding the teaching of hatred of all that is NON-MUSLIM , giving religious license to JIHAD , rationalizing and thereby justifying the ultimate end of the teaching of hatred .....VIOLENCE .
Such books are already in use , not widely but certainly across this country , Virginia , New York and D.C. to name a few . And in Virginia of all places right in Jerry Falwells backyard .

When I see creationists blowing up airliners , pirating ships , killing innocents , and trying to rule the world by their own narrow standards , then I'll consider worrying about them .

But take heart , it seems many forget , we have a Supreme Court , and we all are entitled to Due Process.....so if the good people of Texas are willing to fight what is being foisted on them .....then The Supreme Court will have the final word , and any "book " they attempt to float , will remain on ice , until the court decides .


However , keep in mind at all times , the Saudi Books and the schools that use them , disrespect , even despise with contempt- American Law when it comes to the tenets of their ideology , and simply ignore .
And believe it , because it's happening right now .

congratulations, this is perhaps the stupidest thing ever written on the internet.

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:49:15pm

re: #254 BignJames

What particular denomination is being muzzled?

The Intelligent Design Denomination, silly. ;)

265 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:49:40pm

re: #253 Outrider

I have a nephew named Winston. knowing his father, I can guarantee he is named after the cigarette. I doubt his father was even aware England existed, much less Winston Churchill.

Well, I had a wolf spider (for about a week) who I called Winston, named after the principle character in the book 1984.

266 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:49:42pm

re: #258 FurryOldGuyJeans

Worked for Clinton regarding Islamic Terrorism and attack on American interests worldwide.

Was in up past his eyeballs in the Ellian Gonzales involuntary repatriation to Cuba.

267 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:49:51pm

Why does it seam like I am looking at living in the Peoples Republic of North America?

Is there any group of terrorist that are NOT in the Democratic (Socialist)Party?

268 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:50:01pm

re: #244 Killian Bundy

NEA Teachers Have Become Re-Educators

/that's the clear and present danger to education in this country

Sir, YES SIR!

I concur yr analysis, Killian!

"Welcome, children, to 47th Street Re-Education Center! We'll get along just fine if you DO AS WE SAY."

269 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:50:01pm
270 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:50:11pm

re: #249 Killian Bundy

/pretty amazing if you think about it

maybe his guy should meet my guy and do lunch..
/I feel bad now because there have been so many great posts here..and i always seem to forget to upding them..my bad

271 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:50:24pm

re: #264 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Intelligent Design Denomination, silly. ;)

But, I thought ID was scientific; nobody told me it was religious or even deistic.

272 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:50:32pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

So, you are not concerned with this issue unless it starts happening in a school?

I thought that was the point.

That no one is attacking if their neighbor freely chooses to believe that God created the heavens and the earth. They just care when it is taught in the public school.

273 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:50:39pm

re: #224 theparson

Reckless hyperbole or provable fact?

Your comment is ironic.
I was calling out Kramer the Creationist supporter on his own stupid analogy, criticism of which by Creationists was sadly lacking. But then again, Creationists obviously don't like it when it is their ox that is being gored.

274 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:51:08pm

re: #263 SpaceJesus

I disagree. There are a myriad of valid points. Not that I agree with all of them..but there are valid points in there.

275 Clemente  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:51:09pm

buzzsawmonkey = karmic deity:

29579/29062

Wow.

276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:51:10pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Well, I had a wolf spider (for about a week) who I called Winston, named after the principle character in the book 1984.

Spider....1984.....ROFL ;)

277 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:51:35pm

re: #257 Silhouette

I'm not seeing the karma percentages (karma/comments) when clicking the football - just the count.

Do we have to do the math ourselves?

Yes. If you want to.
But why?

278 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:51:49pm

13.6% positive Karma.

I think whoever noticed that older lizards have lower karma than younger was correct. The formula appears to be dividing by pre-registration comments as well.

(Or do I really suck that badly?)

279 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:51:57pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Despite all my searching, I've yet to find one single public school system that teaches Creationism. Find one for me and I'll agree it should be stopped. But, using the artificial shibboleth of crazy dino-denying Christian right-wingers to justify muzzling a particular Religious denomination just doesn't pass my smell test.
I am truly concerned about the horrid state of public education, but "Creationism" is pretty close to the bottom of the list of REAL problems.

You really ought to write a letter about it to the Discovery institute then since they spend so much money, resource, and time on this divisive bullshit.

280 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:52:04pm

re: #262 Racer X

Islam is not a religion.

It is a cult that desires total domination of a society by taking over the government. Preying on spirituality is a means to that end.

Beg to differ, Islam is a religion, just a false one.

281 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:52:23pm

re: #245 Guanxi88
Perhaps you perceive that I generalized too generally. I know that not everyone who is on the anti-creationism bandwagon is insulting about it.
There were lots of posts that I didn't read before I posted my response.

282 gmsc  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:52:43pm

re: #257 Silhouette

I'm not seeing the karma percentages (karma/comments) when clicking the football - just the count.

Do we have to do the math ourselves?

Yep - to get the percentage, just divide karma by the number of posts, and then multiply that answer by 100.

283 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:52:47pm

re: #280 A Kiwi Infidel

Beg to differ, Islam is a religion, just a false one.

As well is Marxism. Obamaism is just taking off.

284 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:52:51pm

re: #247 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's just insane.

285 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:00pm

re: #274 Oh no...Sand People!

I disagree. There are a myriad of valid points. Not that I agree with all of them..but there are valid points in there.


where are they? are they hiding behind that giant wall of incoherent nonsense?

286 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:04pm

re: #263 SpaceJesus

congratulations, this is perhaps the stupidest thing ever written on the internet.

Well, no, actually quoting it in the entirety just to add one line has to top that!

287 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:18pm

re: #268 Karridine

Sir, YES SIR!

I concur yr analysis, Killian!

"Welcome, children, to 47th Street Re-Education Center! We'll get along just fine if you DO AS WE SAY."

/the NEA is arguably a much worse problem than the UAW

288 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #272 Silhouette

I thought that was the point.

That no one is attacking if their neighbor freely chooses to believe that God created the heavens and the earth. They just care when it is taught in the public school.

It sounded to me that the poster wasn't interested if someone was trying to get creationism taught in schools, only would be worried about it AFTER it got in there. That's the way I took the comment. And reading above, a number of other Lizards took it the same way.

289 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Despite all my searching, I've yet to find one single public school system that teaches Creationism. Find one for me and I'll agree it should be stopped. But, using the artificial shibboleth of crazy dino-denying Christian right-wingers to justify muzzling a particular Religious denomination just doesn't pass my smell test.
I am truly concerned about the horrid state of public education, but "Creationism" is pretty close to the bottom of the list of REAL problems.


For a quick view of Recent developments in state education programs, check here.
Scroll down a bit.

290 Right mind left  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:43pm

re: #286 Dar ul Harb

Well, no, actually quoting it in the entirety just to add one line has to top that!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA...

291 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:53:48pm

re: #282 gmsc

Math geek....just get out that calculator. ;)

292 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:54:09pm

re: #278 Dar ul Harb

](Or do I really suck that badly?)

Hey! Don't answer that!

(too late)

293 A Kiwi Infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:54:23pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Well, I had a wolf spider (for about a week) who I called Winston, named after the principle character in the book 1984.


I, too, had a wolf spider as a kid, which promptly laid eggs and filled my bedroom with a zillion young.

My mother was less than impressed.

294 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:54:26pm

re: #287 Killian Bundy

/the NEA is arguably a much worse problem than the UAW

The NEA, when history is written, will be found to have been a corrupting influence on several generations of Americans.

295 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:54:43pm

re: #278 Dar ul Harb

Is this the karma of which you speak?

296 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:54:55pm

re: #273 Spare O'Lake

Your comment is ironic.
I was calling out Kramer the Creationist supporter on his own stupid analogy, criticism of which by Creationists was sadly lacking. But then again, Creationists obviously don't like it when it is their ox that is being gored.

Either support your allegation or retract it.

297 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:55:03pm

re: #281 Lincolntf

Perhaps you perceive that I generalized too generally. I know that not everyone who is on the anti-creationism bandwagon is insulting about it.
There were lots of posts that I didn't read before I posted my response.

That's a good point. Since I'd used a fairly broadish brush myself earlier in this thread, I admit that there are times when it helps to "amplify" or enlarge a thing to make it easier to see and deal with.

Anywho, just my thoughts, but I don't perceive that most folks who are against this stuff getting into the curriculum are anti-religious or bigots; I think, though, that there's a lot of animosity and projection from all sides, which feeds into the lunatic intensity the various factions can bring to bear on what should be a comparatively boring subject.

298 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:55:16pm

re: #277 reine.de.tout

Yes. If you want to.
But why?

No reason other than I saw tfk was posting the percentages, so I clicked a random football to see the new "percentage" feature, but it wasn't there. So I wondered if I just didn't see it, or if it wasn't there at all.

I can't imagine checking it. I don't even know my own comment count.

299 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:55:39pm

re: #268 Karridine

Sir, YES SIR!

I concur yr analysis, Killian!

"Welcome, children, to 47th Street Re-Education Center! We'll get along just fine if you DO AS WE SAY."

Concur. Tyrants in Schoolmarm's cloths.

300 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:55:48pm

re: #272 Silhouette

I thought that was the point.

That no one is attacking if their neighbor freely chooses to believe that God created the heavens and the earth. They just care when it is taught in the public school.

Once it gets taught in school, even once, the war is already over and lost.

301 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:55:52pm

re: #276 FurryOldGuyJeans

Spider....1984.....ROFL ;)

true dat... really.

302 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:56:20pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Well, I had a wolf spider (for about a week) who I called Winston, named after the principle character in the book 1984.

Walter, I will slap gurantee this brother in law of mine never ~even~ heard of 1984 the book.

Them Wolf spiders are poisonous aren't they?

303 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:56:43pm

re: #270 HoosierHoops

maybe his guy should meet my guy and do lunch..
/I feel bad now because there have been so many great posts here..and i always seem to forget to upding them..my bad

/TFK's been on a roll ever since he was walked back from the brink a couple times for using a derogatory term for Chinese, sometimes his comments are even lucid

304 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:56:43pm

re: #121 Guanxi88

Fair point, but, speaking for myself, I don't think a theocratic state is a likely result of sneaking this creationsit/I.D. stuff into the curriculum. Rather, I think the risk is further dilution of the value of a public education.

It's not a fair point at all, in any way what he said.

305 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:56:58pm

re: #285 SpaceJesus

where are they? are they hiding behind that giant wall of incoherent nonsense?

The idea that Islam and the Saudis are flaunting laws, and are overtly teaching an agenda that is counter productive to freedom and civilization. Also, you can make out the inklings of 'what good is the law' when the bad guys don't follow it and no accountability is in place for those who don't. Kind of just punishes the good guys.

I agree with those points.

/now the rest...well...

306 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:56:59pm

re: #262 Racer X

Islam is not a religion.
It is a cult that desires total domination of a society by taking over the government. Preying on spirituality is a means to that end.

It is indeed a religion - one that is sadly in need of a major overhaul.
There is no better argument for keeping religion out of our public schools than Islam.

307 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:57:12pm

re: #300 FurryOldGuyJeans

Once it gets taught in school, even once, the war is already over and lost.

True, the whole camel's nose in the tent. (And wipe that grin off your face and get your mind out of the gutter.)

308 Right mind left  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:57:36pm

re: #298 Silhouette

No reason other than I saw tfk was posting the percentages, so I clicked a random football to see the new "percentage" feature, but it wasn't there. So I wondered if I just didn't see it, or if it wasn't there at all.

I can't imagine checking it. I don't even know my own comment count.

You are over 50% karma to comment ratio (over 7k karma and over 14k comments) ... they like you!

309 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:58:04pm

re: #293 A Kiwi Infidel

I, too, had a wolf spider as a kid, which promptly laid eggs and filled my bedroom with a zillion young.

My mother was less than impressed.

I only had mine for a week. I had it in a jar, with a lid, with air holes in the lid. I put a grasshopper in the jar with it. Boy, they didn't like each other. Not a bit. They had a fight. The spider won. Did you know a grasshopper can be sucked dry by a wolf spider. But the close in battle must have been too much for the spider, because it died a few hours later.

310 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:58:41pm

re: #272 Silhouette

I thought that was the point.
That no one is attacking if their neighbor freely chooses to believe that God created the heavens and the earth. They just care when it is taught in the public school.

It is precisely the point, and don't let him tell you otherwise.

311 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:58:44pm

rawmuse
number of comments 6,976
karma = 6,645

somebody loves me!

312 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:58:45pm

re: #301 Walter L. Newton

true dat... really.

I am a lot less imaginative...I just had a hyperactive cat I called Joule.

313 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:58:49pm

re: #304 Sharmuta

It's not a fair point at all, in any way what he said.

Trying to talk the guy down off the ledge; not agreeing, but rather acknowledging what he said to get him to see a part of what I had to say.

314 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:58:58pm

re: #302 Outrider

All spiders are poisonous.

315 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:59:40pm

re: #306 Spare O'Lake

It is indeed a religion - one that is sadly in need of a major overhaul.
There is no better argument for keeping religion out of our public schools than Islam.

Yet that is the one that the 'left' is all goo goo over and stands the best chance of being crammed into the curriculum...

316 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 6:59:54pm

re: #302 Outrider

Walter, I will slap gurantee this brother in law of mine never ~even~ heard of 1984 the book.

Them Wolf spiders are poisonous aren't they?

Er, no, I don't think so. As I had always been told, all spiders bite, and all spider bites are not really good for you, because you can get some nasty germs from the spider that moves into an open bite, but generally, wolf spiders are rather docile. Except if you put a grasshopper in the jar with it.

317 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:00:11pm

re: #315 Oh no...Sand People!

Yet that is the one that the 'left' is all goo goo over and stands the best chance of being crammed into the curriculum...

Already is too late.

318 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:00:12pm

re: #298 Silhouette

No reason other than I saw tfk was posting the percentages, so I clicked a random football to see the new "percentage" feature, but it wasn't there. So I wondered if I just didn't see it, or if it wasn't there at all.

I can't imagine checking it. I don't even know my own comment count.

Your comment count is there too, along with your Karma and your "registration" number.
I'm just happy to be here and to have a few plusses.
So many smart people - - -

319 3 wood  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:00:17pm

In market news the futures are up about 1% so far tonight.

The Nikkei is down 2.2% and the Hang Seng is down 2.6% but probably more as a reaction to the US markets tanking today than anything else.

Citigroup is starting preliminary talks of selling out.

And the NYT lost almost 10% today with stock prices dropping to $5.72

320 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:00:46pm

re: #309 Walter L. Newton

I only had mine for a week. I had it in a jar, with a lid, with air holes in the lid. I put a grasshopper in the jar with it. Boy, they didn't like each other. Not a bit. They had a fight. The spider won. Did you know a grasshopper can be sucked dry by a wolf spider. But the close in battle must have been too much for the spider, because it died a few hours later.

This is what needs to be taught in schools!
I never knew a grasshopper could be sucked dry by a wolf spider, nope, never knew that . . . .

321 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:00:53pm

re: #307 Guanxi88

True, the whole camel's nose in the tent. (And wipe that grin off your face and get your mind out of the gutter.)

o_O

322 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:13pm

re: #315 Oh no...Sand People!

Yet that is the one that the 'left' is all goo goo over and stands the best chance of being crammed into the curriculum...

You think so? I think some sort of ersatz paganism or Nature-worship, mediated by the state as Pontifex maximus, seems more their speed.

323 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:19pm

re: #312 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am a lot less imaginative...I just had a hyperactive cat I called Joule.

I couldn't see a cat on that page?

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:42pm

re: #319 3 wood

In market news the futures are up about 1% so far tonight.

The Nikkei is down 2.2% and the Hang Seng is down 2.6% but probably more as a reaction to the US markets tanking today than anything else.

Citigroup is starting preliminary talks of selling out.

And the NYT lost almost 10% today with stock prices dropping to $5.72

Dead cat bounce tomorrow for the Dow?

325 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:43pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

1984? the book? I don't recall a movie..was there one?
must have been a crappy book..
/

326 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:50pm

Palin doesn't care about Thanksgiving suffering.......
The Turkey doesn't realize turkeys are dying behind her!

Heh.

327 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:54pm

re: #319 3 wood

In market news the futures are up about 1% so far tonight.

The Nikkei is down 2.2% and the Hang Seng is down 2.6% but probably more as a reaction to the US markets tanking today than anything else.

Citigroup is starting preliminary talks of selling out.

And the NYT lost almost 10% today with stock prices dropping to $5.72

NYT down even more...at least there is a Lil Pinch of good news once in a while...

328 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:01:56pm

re: #319 3 wood

In market news the futures are up about 1% so far tonight.

The Nikkei is down 2.2% and the Hang Seng is down 2.6% but probably more as a reaction to the US markets tanking today than anything else.

Citigroup is starting preliminary talks of selling out.

And the NYT lost almost 10% today with stock prices dropping to $5.72

Three pieces of good news there. Let the Dow have an up day tomorrow and let the NYT stock price fall to $0.

329 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:02:05pm
330 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:02:23pm

re: #305 Oh no...Sand People!

The idea that Islam and the Saudis are flaunting laws, and are overtly teaching an agenda that is counter productive to freedom and civilization. Also, you can make out the inklings of 'what good is the law' when the bad guys don't follow it and no accountability is in place for those who don't. Kind of just punishes the good guys.

I agree with those points.

/now the rest...well...

they're allowed to do whatever they want in their private schools.

331 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:03:06pm

re: #319 3 wood

And the NYT lost almost 10% today with stock prices dropping to $5.72

Pretty soon they can start giving away their stock free with the paper.

Check Sunday's circular for a special two-for-one offer!

332 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:03:18pm

re: #319 3 wood

And the NYT lost almost 10% today with stock prices dropping to $5.72

That is the only good news in all of that!

333 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:03:22pm

re: #311 rawmuse

Just in case you didn't catch the answer last thread

/trumpets come in the third measure and riff on 5,5,5,3

334 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:03:26pm

re: #322 Guanxi88

You think so? I think some sort of ersatz paganism or Nature-worship, mediated by the state as Pontifex maximus, seems more their speed.

As long as there's no coherent theology, you may be right.

Sort of a wishy-washy gaia worship. Heaven knows what "earth science" would look like, then.

335 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:03:30pm

re: #312 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am a lot less imaginative...I just had a hyperactive cat I called Joule.

even less imagination. i had a terror of a hound dog and named her Cujo. Over 16 years, she lived up to her name.

336 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:03:31pm

re: #322 Guanxi88

You think so? I think some sort of ersatz paganism or Nature-worship, mediated by the state as Pontifex maximus, seems more their speed.

I can agree with the 'Nature-worship'... Global Warming and the purgatory penance payout of Carbon Offset Credits...

337 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:07pm

re: #334 Dianna

As long as there's no coherent theology, you may be right.

Sort of a wishy-washy gaia worship. Heaven knows what "earth science" would look like, then.

Ah, trust me, no coherent anything. That's what's great about this sort of thing.

338 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:08pm

re: #329 ploome hineni

you still here?

Yes? What's up?

I'm writing, so I'm sort of in and out.

339 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:17pm

re: #313 Guanxi88

Trying to talk the guy down off the ledge; not agreeing, but rather acknowledging what he said to get him to see a part of what I had to say.

Duly noted that you lie to people to get them to see you point. Thanks.

340 wolfie  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:26pm

The NEA is the dung-dripping, booger-eating spawn of of the Prince of Death and Darkness.
Okay, okay. Perhaps I could have found a better way to phrase that but I stand by the basic premise.

341 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:32pm

re: #330 SpaceJesus

they're allowed to do whatever they want in their private schools.

Agreed. As long as it stays in their private schools.

342 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:43pm

re: #320 outsidephilly

This is what needs to be taught in schools! I never knew a grasshopper could be sucked dry by a wolf spider, nope, never knew that . . . .

Oh come on. In schools? Hell, that would be considered violent and I don't know... teaching kids that animals in the wild have natural enemies and sometimes fight and kill. No, can't have that. All spiders and grasshoppers live in rivers of chocolate and in a place where it rains gumdrops all day long.

You scared me, I had to go to my happy place.

343 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:04:49pm

re: #330 SpaceJesus

they're allowed to do whatever they want in their private schools.

It's happening in PUBLIC schools. Seems that the only freedom from religion is if it is Judeo-Christian based. Islam gets a pass in many of our public school districts. Charles has posted on this issue in the past.

344 NY Nana  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:05:00pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Can you please post a kos alert before I go dumpster diving without my hazmat suit? Please? ;)

Feh.

345 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:05:18pm

re: #339 Sharmuta

Duly noted that you lie to people to get them to see you point. Thanks.

Ah come on, that's not a terribly generous way to put it, now is it? So one engages in a little judo, is this so wrong?

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:05:18pm
347 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:05:19pm

re: #334 Dianna

As long as there's no coherent theology, you may be right.

Sort of a wishy-washy gaia worship. Heaven knows what "earth science" would look like, then.

global warming

348 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:05:33pm

re: #316 Walter L. Newton

Wolf spiders are fairly harmless save for the heart stoppage they may cause. Big Bad SF Army guy is TERRIFIED of spiders. One day, long ago, he was helping a friend put insulation under their mobile home in Texas. He is under there putting in that insulation, fine as you please. Then we hear this screaming line of things not fit to publish on this site; he scootches out from under the trailer at the speed of light with this GIANT wolf spider on his chest. It had dropped down on him! They are all giant, by the way. And hairy.

349 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:05:40pm

re: #341 Oh no...Sand People!

Agreed. As long as it stays in their private schools.

Their AP science courses must be interesting.

350 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:01pm

re: #325 HoosierHoops

1984? the book? I don't recall a movie..was there one?
must have been a crappy book..
/

Ha...

2 movies and twice as a made for TV version for the BBC.

351 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I couldn't see a cat on that page?

No, I just referenced that wiki page to illustrate why I chose the name.

Sadly, joule was a cat I had before I joined the Navy, and because of my divorce everything I owned was lost to my ex, pictures and literally everything. I barely was allowed to keep the clothes I was wearing.

Here are some photos of cats I have had since the divorce, with the short-haired tabby being my current one. The long-haired calico disappeared about the time a mountain lion was seen roaming the area I lived (Renton, WA) for a few weeks, so I suspect she got eaten. :(

352 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #296 theparson

Either support your allegation or retract it.

I'll be happy to support it - just as soon as you condemn Kramer's accusation that those who want religion kept out of the science classroom are like bookburning Nazis.
Go ahead, condemn it, I dare you. And if you won't, then piss off.

353 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:36pm
354 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:45pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on. In schools? Hell, that would be considered violent and I don't know... teaching kids that animals in the wild have natural enemies and sometimes fight and kill. No, can't have that. All spiders and grasshoppers live in rivers of chocolate and in a place where it rains gumdrops all day long.

You scared me, I had to go to my happy place.

But Willie Wonka didn't have spiders in his chocolate river . . . .

355 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:48pm

re: #314 BignJames

All spiders are poisonous.

What? Where do you find this? Or rather, what are you defining as poisonous?

356 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:51pm

re: #346 ploome hineni

lol

to finish up, so to speak from the previous penis thread

some like Italian

heheheheh

Ack!

357 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:06:58pm

re: #223 Alouette

My 2-year-old granddaughter is visiting right now. I said I would spoil her rotten but this afternoon she had a full meltdown in Walmart.

She's 2. It's what they do.
My mom "spoiled" my daughter, but still insisted on standards of behavior and courtesy. It can be done. Enjoy the granddaughter!

358 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:07:16pm
359 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:07:19pm

re: #349 Dianna

Their AP science courses must be interesting.

I don't dare get started on the list of classes I am thinking of...

360 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:07:21pm

re: #348 ArmyWife

Wolf spiders are fairly harmless save for the heart stoppage they may cause. Big Bad SF Army guy is TERRIFIED of spiders. One day, long ago, he was helping a friend put insulation under their mobile home in Texas. He is under there putting in that insulation, fine as you please. Then we hear this screaming line of things not fit to publish on this site; he scootches out from under the trailer at the speed of light with this GIANT wolf spider on his chest. It had dropped down on him! They are all giant, by the way. And hairy.

Yep... like I said above, very docile most of the time.

361 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:12pm

re: #333 Killian Bundy

Where does this music reside, besides in your gray matter?
I have been looking for it. Nothing under Don Ellis, who was has been subjected to a rather complete discography by now. Don died young, unfortunately. I live in his home town. People still talk about him.

362 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:17pm
363 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:22pm

re: #343 Perplexed

It's happening in PUBLIC schools. Seems that the only freedom from religion is if it is Judeo-Christian based. Islam gets a pass in many of our public school districts. Charles has posted on this issue in the past.


really? there are public schools in America that use Saudi Arabian textbooks as the basis of their curriculum that bash the decadenceevil of the west and secular society? where?

364 Maui Girl  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:22pm

re: #28 Alouette

What is wrong with public school education is that children are not being taught how to read, write, calculate, and reason.

Touche.

365 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:47pm

re: #348 ArmyWife

Wolf spiders are fairly harmless save for the heart stoppage they may cause. Big Bad SF Army guy is TERRIFIED of spiders. One day, long ago, he was helping a friend put insulation under their mobile home in Texas. He is under there putting in that insulation, fine as you please. Then we hear this screaming line of things not fit to publish on this site; he scootches out from under the trailer at the speed of light with this GIANT wolf spider on his chest. It had dropped down on him! They are all giant, by the way. And hairy.

THAT's a creepy, scary story . . . . !

366 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:55pm

re: #362 taxfreekiller

I took all my money out of BOA. I see that hurt them tremendously. ;)

367 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:08:57pm

re: #325 HoosierHoops

1984? the book? I don't recall a movie..was there one?
must have been a crappy book..
/

Yes, they made a movie of it. English I think....? It wasn't bad. Not as good as the book, but not bad. ;-)>

368 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:04pm

re: #345 Guanxi88

Ah come on, that's not a terribly generous way to put it, now is it? So one engages in a little judo, is this so wrong?

Are you being sincere with me or bullshitting?

369 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:07pm

re: #346 ploome hineni

lol

to finish up, so to speak from the previous penis thread

some like Italian

heheheheh

Now, Ploome - I just did not need that image in my head right now.
LOL

370 3 wood  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:32pm

There is some good news out there (other than the NYT stock tanking of course). The TED spread is getting smaller and LIBOR is dropping, slowly but it's dropping. All of that indicates a gradual easing of the credit markets which long term is a good thing.

I can see about one more good drop like today and then the bottom would be about 7,000.

Some of these stocks are becoming "stupid cheap". The selling now is beyond rational, it's total panic by some.

While it's scary out there right now, I also think there are buying opportunities the like of which I will probably never see again in my life time.

371 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:33pm

re: #346 ploome hineni

lol

to finish up, so to speak from the previous penis thread

some like Italian

heheheheh

A Jack Russell terrier as a sex toy?

372 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:33pm

re: #348 ArmyWife

Spiders.

373 stevieray  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:43pm

The NFL needs to borrow Charles' old hamsters... their live streaming of tonight's game is pretty bad. Usually its pretty good... too many watching online right now.

374 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:53pm

Good Evening,
I am wondering if there are any tech-savvy lizards that might be able to help me out.

A few days ago my wife recently received a mildly menacing text message. The number it came from never does anything but go to a standard voicemail. no info was available through reverse lookp either.

We found out today that her boss also received a curious text from the same number.

Our best guess is that it is coming from some anonymous texting service. We think we know who the culprit is, someone who ws passed over for the job she earned and was promoted to.

Is there any way of tracing this number other that getting the police involved (which is probably the smart thing to do).

Any advice would be appreciated.

375 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:55pm

re: #366 ArmyWife

I took all my money out of BOA. I see that hurt them tremendously. ;)

Don't wish to see them hurt. They own my mortgage. I need them healthy.

376 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:09:59pm

re: #358 ploome hineni

rofl

/ya cannot make it up

It was the Jack Russell terrier that boggled me. The rest of it...yeah, you just can't make this stuff up.

377 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:00pm

re: #314 BignJames

All spiders are poisonous.

NO spiders are poisonous.

They are venomous.

/ducks, runs

378 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:14pm

re: #363 SpaceJesus

really? there are public schools in America that use Saudi Arabian textbooks as the basis of their curriculum that bash the decadenceevil of the west and secular society? where?

Not quite. They have kids dressing up as arabs, memorizing parts of the koran, reciting the believers prayer, etc. That sort of stuff.

379 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:21pm
380 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:28pm

re: #362 taxfreekiller

So, will Bank of America and its Democrats get the go ahead to merge
with Citigroup?

develop that

If so, I'm moving my mortgage.

381 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:37pm

re: #351 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, I just referenced that wiki page to illustrate why I chose the name.

Sadly, joule was a cat I had before I joined the Navy, and because of my divorce everything I owned was lost to my ex, pictures and literally everything. I barely was allowed to keep the clothes I was wearing.

Here are some photos of cats I have had since the divorce, with the short-haired tabby being my current one. The long-haired calico disappeared about the time a mountain lion was seen roaming the area I lived (Renton, WA) for a few weeks, so I suspect she got eaten. :(

I had 14 cats at one time, when I lived in Northern New Jersey. I moved there when I was 11, from Brooklyn NY and I went critter crazy, something I couldn't do in the city. Even had a raccoon once, walked it on a leash like a puppy. Mom and Dad were going crazy because I was always bring home stray this and thats.

382 notutopia  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:39pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

But it is a problem now in Texas. And I hope that the pressure stays on the School Board in the next few months and until they reconvene in January.
This is how the slippery slope starts.
I like Jello. They took Jello off the school menu here in the US, at a public school because jello is made of animal protein, it got excluded and removed from all of the kids menus because it is not halal. Why not just make it a choice for Muslim children to pass up the jello? and eat applesauce instead. No.
It's a black or white decision here. No Creationism or ID in the public school system.

383 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:41pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Ha...

2 movies and twice as a made for TV version for the BBC.

And Richard Burton's final film role as O'Brien.

384 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:43pm

re: #325 HoosierHoops

1984? the book? I don't recall a movie..was there one?
must have been a crappy book..
/

There was, even released in 1984.

An early title for Terry Gilliam's Brazil was "1984 and a 1/2", but was scrapped due when the above film was released.

385 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:50pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Palin doesn't care about Thanksgiving suffering.......
The Turkey doesn't realize turkeys are dying behind her!

Heh.

These people seriously need to get a life. Where in hell do they think their food comes from..... except the tofu munchers.

386 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:10:52pm
387 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:11:09pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Palin doesn't care about Thanksgiving suffering.......
The Turkey doesn't realize turkeys are dying behind her!

Heh.

So, you're ashamed where your Thanksgiving dinner comes from?

/when's the last time you murdered a fish?

388 Right mind left  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:11:27pm

re: #341 Oh no...Sand People!

Agreed. As long as it stays in their private schools.

Well...if you believe what you are taught it sometimes leads to heated arguments and then wars... I wish everyone was free around the globe to embrace the truth and see that it can be incorporated in their own personal beliefs, if they are willing to accept that maybe their personal messiahs lived in a time that had less information or that the current level of understanding would not have translated properly to the people of the times... while it is each individuals' prerogative to hold their beliefs and practice, adhering as closely as they need, it still makes no sense to me personally why anyone would want to ignore evidence.

A clear example is A-hat in Iran who, along with others, claims that the holocaust never happened...

I get excited when I get the latest Hubble photos and when I hear the latest research in genetics or the particle accelerators that give us insight into the real mysteries that abound, that makes me feel awed and, well, tiny.

389 3 wood  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:11:50pm

I'm hearing fro some connections in the market that the fact that Obama has yet to name a Treasury Chief is also causing some concern for the markets.

390 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:11:57pm

re: #350 Walter L. Newton

Ha...

2 movies and twice as a made for TV version for the BBC.

LOL
Some people would tell you it is impossible to go through high school and college and have never read 1984 or seen the movie.
at least i heard about it..LOL
I have read about everything skip bayless has ever written about sports..
but..that probably doesn't count does it?
/It's almost the 4th quarter to the Celtics game..very impressive again this year..You folks in Boston have really put together a great team.

391 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:12:14pm

re: #370 3 wood

Buy when the blood is running in the streets.
It is tough to do.
I bought my house(s) after the Loma Prieta quake.
Everyone was running around like their hair was on fire. It was the end of the world for sure.
I unloaded all of them except the one I live in right now.
It was a gut check, but we did OK.

392 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #372 BignJames

Funny!

393 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:12:27pm

re: #352 Spare O'Lake

I'll be happy to support it - just as soon as you condemn Kramer's accusation that those who want religion kept out of the science classroom are like bookburning Nazis.
Go ahead, condemn it, I dare you. And if you won't, then piss off.

You are truly eloquent and a deep thinker.
Perhaps if you re-read my post you will see I didn't make a comment I asked a question. Perhaps you will see that my question was specific to an allegation you made comparing creationists and nazis. Perhaps you may even be astute enough to realize I neither spoke in favor of or opposition to anything anyone else said.
Perhaps, but not likely.

394 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:12:34pm

re: #374 bombay311

Good Evening,
I am wondering if there are any tech-savvy lizards that might be able to help me out.

A few days ago my wife recently received a mildly menacing text message. The number it came from never does anything but go to a standard voicemail. no info was available through reverse lookp either.

We found out today that her boss also received a curious text from the same number.

Our best guess is that it is coming from some anonymous texting service. We think we know who the culprit is, someone who ws passed over for the job she earned and was promoted to.

Is there any way of tracing this number other that getting the police involved (which is probably the smart thing to do).

Any advice would be appreciated.

It takes a subpoena from the local cop shop if you can't find the number in listings. Have you googled it?

395 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:12:52pm

re: #371 OldLineTexan

A Jack Russell terrier as a sex toy?

How would you ever get it to pay attention long enough? To say nothing of the safety issues that spring forcefully to the front of one's mind?

396 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:12:57pm

re: #368 Sharmuta

Are you being sincere with me or bullshitting?

Odd question, but yes, I am sincere in this. Look, that guy had talked himself right out onto the ledge. You can see he's worked up about it, but has taken a rather sharp turn into dangerous territory. If he's not careful, things could go very badly indeed, and this otherwise probably decent guy could end up posting something that gets him banned, hurts the reputation of the site and those who use it, and insults several hundred million folks' religion.

He vented a little more perhaps than would be prudent, but he stopped. Now, if you decide to attempt to correct him, via argument, you're likely to reinforce the negative trend, and make the guy look worse. Better to simply acknowledge what he said, and use it as a way to veer away from the problem areas and back over into the common ground, where the discussion can continue. In other words, why fight if you can persuade?

397 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:13:01pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Well, I had a wolf spider (for about a week) who I called Winston, named after the principle character in the book 1984.

Why didn't you name him O'Brien?

398 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:13:30pm

re: #379 ploome hineni

how about this then?


/today has been an odd day

rofl

Sometimes it's so nice to have a nice, dull boring life.

399 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:13:37pm

re: #374 bombay311

I don't know... you should be able to find out the carrier online. Call them up and explain the situation and maybe they can give you the information. If the person was smart he/she would have used a disposable phone so that would make it impossible to locate. Calling the police is the best thing though...

400 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #394 Thanos

It takes a subpoena from the local cop shop if you can't find the number in listings. Have you googled it?

Yep, nothing available

401 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:09pm

re: #374 bombay311

I'm not technical.

But I will say that your wife and her boss need to call the police. Yesterday!

402 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:11pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

I had 14 cats at one time, when I lived in Northern New Jersey. I moved there when I was 11, from Brooklyn NY and I went critter crazy, something I couldn't do in the city. Even had a raccoon once, walked it on a leash like a puppy. Mom and Dad were going crazy because I was always bring home stray this and thats.

We had raccoons (8-12) using the family pool to wash their food at one time. Destructive little critters and mean enough to kill even medium dogs.

403 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:15pm

re: #374 bombay311

Good Evening,
I am wondering if there are any tech-savvy lizards that might be able to help me out.

A few days ago my wife recently received a mildly menacing text message. The number it came from never does anything but go to a standard voicemail. no info was available through reverse lookp either.

We found out today that her boss also received a curious text from the same number.

Our best guess is that it is coming from some anonymous texting service. We think we know who the culprit is, someone who ws passed over for the job she earned and was promoted to.

Is there any way of tracing this number other that getting the police involved (which is probably the smart thing to do).

Any advice would be appreciated.

What state are you in?

404 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:25pm
405 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:32pm

re: #383 Dar ul Harb

And Richard Burton's final film role as O'Brien.

And a really good play...

[Link: home.comcast.net...]

406 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:36pm

re: #400 bombay311

It takes a subpoena from the local cop shop if you can't find the number in listings. Have you googled it?

Yep, nothing available

Go to a reverse number lookup and pay the $15-30 bucks for the information.

407 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:48pm

re: #388 Right mind left

Well...if you believe what you are taught it sometimes leads to heated arguments and then wars... I wish everyone was free around the globe to embrace the truth and see that it can be incorporated in their own personal beliefs, if they are willing to accept that maybe their personal messiahs lived in a time that had less information or that the current level of understanding would not have translated properly to the people of the times... while it is each individuals' prerogative to hold their beliefs and practice, adhering as closely as they need, it still makes no sense to me personally why anyone would want to ignore evidence.

A clear example is A-hat in Iran who, along with others, claims that the holocaust never happened...

I get excited when I get the latest Hubble photos and when I hear the latest research in genetics or the particle accelerators that give us insight into the real mysteries that abound, that makes me feel awed and, well, tiny.

Right there with you. As long as they can keep it in their private schools, they can teach what they want...within confines of the law. I think that's a big... 'if' though.

408 rawmuse  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:14:52pm

Later, Lizards. I am off to engage in some perfectly useless pastime.

409 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:15:02pm

re: #385 Outrider

These people seriously need to get a life. Where in hell do they think their food comes from..... except the tofu munchers.

I work near a furrier. One of my employees said she didn't feel "right" going into the furrier to ask them something. I said, "You're wearing leather right now. You eat meat."

The PC forces have won in setting the priorities. It is how 100% can remember that Palin's daughter is pregnant and 2% know which party controls the lawmaking body in this country.

410 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:15:04pm

re: #386 ploome hineni

i don't knowwwww

I think the "owwwwwww" part is pretty accurate...

411 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:15:11pm

re: #403 theparson


Ohio
land of free government background checks

on conservatives

412 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:15:30pm
413 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:15:33pm

re: #289 solomonpanting

You must be kidding. Sending me to Wikipedia for instantly debunkable stereotypes and examples of the FAILURE of Creationism making it's way into public education? Gimme a break.
In the real world, bizarre world views are routinely taught in public schools (believe me, I know), and the fact that the basis of those views is Das Kapital rather that the Ten Commandments doesn't make me feel any better about it.

Here's the deal. If some locality decides that Intelligent Design should be proffered to students as an alternative to the current explanation of "We don't know what started, came before, or is the purpose of the Universe" then that locality should be allowed to do so.
Nobody who is qualified to get a H.S. diploma would not understand the FACT that the Earth is billions of years old and that evolution is not only theory but fact.

This is not one of my "pet" subjects ( I prefer freedom of speech, real public education issues and national defense topics), so there may be some anecdotal web-stories that prove me "wrong", but that ain't gonna change the world I've been looking at for the last 37 years.

414 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:15:33pm

re: #397 Alouette

Why didn't you name him O'Brien?

O'Brien was a bad man.

415 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:16:14pm

re: #406 Perplexed

did that, no info available

I do have one free phone number check credit though!

416 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:16:19pm

re: #400 bombay311

It takes a subpoena from the local cop shop if you can't find the number in listings. Have you googled it?

Yep, nothing available

Call Detail Records are only kept in switches a limited time, so if the message was truly threatening take it to the police. They will process a complaint, and can get the cell company to trace the number.

417 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:16:36pm

re: #395 Dianna

How would you ever get it to pay attention long enough? To say nothing of the safety issues that spring forcefully to the front of one's mind?

It does boggle the mind.

418 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:16:38pm

re: #361 rawmuse

Where does this music reside, besides in your gray matter?
I have been looking for it. Nothing under Don Ellis, who was has been subjected to a rather complete discography by now. Don died young, unfortunately. I live in his home town. People still talk about him.

I'm perplexed too. It was definitely titled Idea and was in 18/8 time.

/all I can tell you is that it exists, we rehearsed it for months, and performed it a a Vikings game at the now demolished Metropolitan stadium

419 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:16:38pm

re: #396 Guanxi88

Odd question

I thought that was a joke considering the context. Man, figuring out when somebody is being serious and sincere in these ID threads is impossible, hah.

420 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:16:47pm

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

Noting like a little shameless self-promotion, eh, Newton? ;)

421 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:17:02pm
422 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:17:05pm

re: #396 Guanxi88

You don't know his posting history- that much is clear. He's been corrected many times- he's not interested.

And I am not responsible for anyone's comments other than my own. I do not feel the need to pussyfoot around a comment that's clearly crap and call it "a fair point". I call it crap.

He wants to call scientists nazis, and deflect attention elsewhere. That's not a "fair point", that is complete crap.

423 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:17:17pm

Nothing like... PIMF.

424 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:17:38pm

re: #419 Basho

I thought that was a joke considering the context. Man, figuring out when somebody is being serious and sincere in these ID threads is impossible, hah.

And so, we take refuge in the perfect folly and frivolity of the beautiful, eh Basho?

425 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:17:48pm

re: #420 Dar ul Harb

Noting like a little shameless self-promotion, eh, Newton? ;)

Happens all the time, heh. That's my middle name.

426 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:18:21pm

re: #408 rawmuse

Later, Lizards. I am off to engage in some perfectly useless pastime.

I didn't know you worked at the UN.

427 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:18:35pm

re: #412 ploome hineni

hi

where have you been?

do you have a note toexplain your absence?

I am toooo busy! Between the cop gig and the church gig I don't have time to do much. But, you know I've missed my Ploomie!

428 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:18:47pm

re: #413 Lincolntf

So Lincoln, why don't you talk to the Discovery Institute instead of here if they are pursuing something of such trivial nature?

429 notutopia  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:18:57pm

re: #280 A Kiwi Infidel

Ideology, Religion and Law.

430 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:19:07pm

re: #426 Silhouette

I didn't know you worked at the UN.

LOL

431 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:19:07pm

re: #413 Lincolntf

So, we should allow schools to "teach the controversy"? And what if a local school board decides they want to add islamic creationism, or Holocaust denial in history class?

We have standards for a reason. Likewise, ID is not science in any way, shape or form, and therefore should not be taught in science class.

432 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:19:34pm

re: #355 Outrider

Let me rephrase that...All spiders are venomous.

433 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:19:58pm

re: #422 Sharmuta

You don't know his posting history- that much is clear. He's been corrected many times- he's not interested.

And I am not responsible for anyone's comments other than my own. I do not feel the need to pussyfoot around a comment that's clearly crap and call it "a fair point". I call it crap.

Ahh, but you see, there are many ways to skin a cat.

With that said, if the guy's got a history such as you sketched out, then my poor efforts would be of no use.

But, in general, I try to assume always that people are, more or less, rational and amenable to reason, but that they occasionally make slips. I hate to fall myself, and I hate to see others fall. A weakness, perhaps.

434 eclectic infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #214 Lincolntf

Except that GLBT activists have a legitimate gripe with "the system."

435 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:16pm

re: #432 BignJames

Let me rephrase that...All spiders are venomous.

. . . . , all spiders are yucky!

436 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:20pm

re: #425 Walter L. Newton

Happens all the time, heh. That's my middle name.

Hey, you never know, you could end up as famous as Jammie Wearing Fool.

437 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:22pm

re: #400 bombay311

It takes a subpoena from the local cop shop if you can't find the number in listings. Have you googled it?

Yep, nothing available

Who answers the phone when you call the "callback" number?

438 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:40pm

re: #432 BignJames

Let me rephrase that...All spiders are venomous.

But most of them are useful. I'm always careful not to hurt them, in gratitude for the flies they remove.

439 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:42pm

re: #380 Dianna

If so, I'm moving my mortgage.

You still have to pay your mortgage?

/I thought Øbama won.

440 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:20:43pm

re: #421 ploome hineni

it doggles the mind well, you know

441 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:21:02pm

re: #433 Guanxi88

I try to assume always that people are, more or less, rational and amenable to reason

You'll get over that the more you post on these threads.

442 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:21:35pm

re: #433 Guanxi88

Lesson learned: don't argue with the gal with over 43,000 karma points =)

443 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:21:47pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

You'll get over that the more you post on these threads.

Yes, I just might at that. There does seem to be quite a large number of slips in this one.

444 Perplexed  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:21:53pm

'Night all.

445 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:21:55pm

re: #413 Lincolntf

I drew the Wiki site merely to show the attempts to insert the teaching of ID into the school system. I don't know the particulars of any of the cases, but it is possible that some of the lawsuits were brought about by concerned parents fighting the attempts to teach ID, not unlike the parents in this thread's article.

If some locality decides that Intelligent Design should be proffered to students as an alternative to the current explanation of "We don't know what started, came before, or is the purpose of the Universe" then that locality should be allowed to do so.

Wouldn't that be a violation of the First Amendment?

446 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:21:59pm

re: #409 Silhouette

I work near a furrier. One of my employees said she didn't feel "right" going into the furrier to ask them something. I said, "You're wearing leather right now. You eat meat."

The PC forces have won in setting the priorities. It is how 100% can remember that Palin's daughter is pregnant and 2% know which party controls the lawmaking body in this country.

I guess those folks would have really gone nuts if they had come around my house when I was trapping for pelts years back?

447 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:22:02pm

re: #431 Sharmuta

So, we should allow schools to "teach the controversy"? And what if a local school board decides they want to add islamic creationism, or Holocaust denial in history class?

We have standards for a reason. Likewise, ID is not science in any way, shape or form, and therefore should not be taught in science class.

He's already stated it's not a concern of his/her/it's. That's usually a signal for someone who really thinks it should be taught in schools. It's easy to not have to defend your position. That's the real shame, people who have no gumption to defend their positions. It keeps the other 90 percent of the brain in reserve.

448 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:22:21pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

You'll get over that the more you post on these threads.

I thought I was the corrosive cynic around here?

449 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:22:25pm

re: #442 Basho

Lesson learned: don't argue with the gal with over 43,000 karma points =)

Is that in this incarnation, or do they count previous ones as well?

450 eclectic infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:22:35pm

re: #239 Lincolntf

Keeping creationism out of public schools will prevent the further deterioration of our public schools. And it will also serve to prevent the United States from looking like an ass-backward country.

451 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:22:44pm

re: #436 Dar ul Harb

Hey, you never know, you could end up as famous as Jammie Wearing Fool.

Who's that?
/

452 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:22:57pm

re: #437 Outrider

Who answers the phone when you call the "callback" number?

Goes straight to the standard voicemail. computer voice saying leave a message for the number

I will probably go to the cops, but then I dont get the satisfaction of menacing this 4 year old masquerading as a grown man.

And I do so like to menace

453 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:23:01pm

re: #393 theparson

You are truly eloquent and a deep thinker.
Perhaps if you re-read my post you will see I didn't make a comment I asked a question. Perhaps you will see that my question was specific to an allegation you made comparing creationists and nazis. Perhaps you may even be astute enough to realize I neither spoke in favor of or opposition to anything anyone else said.
Perhaps, but not likely.

Nice try.
Your question was a comment.
I meant what I said - either you condemn Kramer's accusation or we're done. It's your call.

454 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:23:26pm

re: #448 Dianna

I thought I was the corrosive cynic around here?

Aren't the trenches fun?

455 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:23:56pm

re: #439 Opilio

You still have to pay your mortgage?

/I thought Øbama won.

Smack!

456 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:24:03pm

re: #433 Guanxi88

Ahh, but you see, there are many ways to skin a cat.

With that said, if the guy's got a history such as you sketched out, then my poor efforts would be of no use.

But, in general, I try to assume always that people are, more or less, rational and amenable to reason, but that they occasionally make slips. I hate to fall myself, and I hate to see others fall. A weakness, perhaps.

'And that...is why you fail...'

/ Why you can't reason with the 'left'.

457 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:24:17pm

re: #443 Guanxi88

Yes, I just might at that. There does seem to be quite a large number of slips in this one.

Go back and do some reading in prior ID threads to get an understanding of what has gone on before, and what is really being pushed as science by the Discovery Institute. I did and it certainly opened up my mind and eyes.

458 rboa  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:25:07pm

re: #10 Charles

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, looking to push a certain anti-evolution schoolbook they've written (titled Explore Evolution) into Texas public school science classes. This gives them legitimacy and helps them get the book accepted in other states, because Texas schoolbook purchases are so large they influence the whole country.

And someone just stacked the board's science review committee with two of the authors of the very book in question. That's why all these people turned out to protest.

Doesn't it smell a little funny to you? Does to me.

To me this seems a gross conflict of self interest. But then, I know this kind of thing (voting money in your own pocket) is now the national trend. :(

459 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:25:10pm

re: #448 Dianna

I thought I was the corrosive cynic around here?

With all due respect, you are Little Mary Fucking Sunshine compared to many here.

/I guess I owe Mandy a franchise fee

460 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:25:50pm
461 ArmyWife  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:25:52pm

Night all. Must go to work for a 1/2 day tomorrow, then I am OFF all next week! YAAAAAAYYYYY! (Runs around room with hands waving in the air). 'course I'll still have the doggone cell phone and will check emails. BUT I WON'T BE IN MY OFFICE!

462 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:26:15pm

re: #433 Guanxi88

Ahh, but you see, there are many ways to skin a cat.

With that said, if the guy's got a history such as you sketched out, then my poor efforts would be of no use.

But, in general, I try to assume always that people are, more or less, rational and amenable to reason, but that they occasionally make slips. I hate to fall myself, and I hate to see others fall. A weakness, perhaps.

That so reminded me of cogs.

463 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:26:27pm

re: #411 bombay311

Ohio
land of free government background checks

on conservatives

I don't really know the laws in Ohio but it may not be too much different than Texas. I have actually dealt with this in the past few months. Whoever is doing it is probably using a "spoof" number.
In order for me as a PO to do anything about something like that here the message would have to contain a specific threat (known as Terroristic Threat in the Texas Penal Code). I could then attempt to get a judge to sign a warrant but I would first have to find the carrier (judges don't like "fishing expeditions").
I'm sure calling the number back gets you nowhere.
It's a lot like ID theft. It's very frustrating for the victim.

464 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:26:49pm

re: #461 ArmyWife

Night all. Must go to work for a 1/2 day tomorrow, then I am OFF all next week! YAAAAAAYYYYY! (Runs around room with hands waving in the air). 'course I'll still have the doggone cell phone and will check emails. BUT I WON'T BE IN MY OFFICE!

ME TOO!

with no cell and no e-mails!

465 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:26:52pm

re: #462 gman

That so reminded me of cogs.

cogs?

466 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:27:11pm

re: #425 Walter L. Newton

re: #420 Dar ul Harb

Noting like a little shameless self-promotion, eh, Newton? ;)

Happens all the time, heh. That's my middle name.


Shameless self-promotion starts with an "L" ?

467 eclectic infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:27:17pm

re: #459 OldLineTexan

With all due respect, you are Little Mary Fucking Sunshine compared to many here.

/I guess I owe Mandy a franchise fee

I dinged you one up for this comment. I just like that sentence. Gave me a chuckle.

468 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #465 Guanxi88

cogs?

Saint 'Cognito': Defender of the MSM. Recently banned.

469 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:27:36pm

re: #450 eclectic infidel

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

470 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:27:53pm

Ok, to bed. The theatre is hosting 6 of the Golden Colorado museum gift shops in our lobby tomorrow and Sat., so I have to get in really early to open the place up and get it ready for them. Long day tomorrow, and then of course, the evening show. I'll be dropping in and out of LGF for the next 3 days. Cheers.

471 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:27:58pm

re: #469 Lincolntf

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

So that means we should ignore it?

472 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:05pm

g'night all (only had time for a short visit tonight) . . . . , hope to 'see' y'all tomorrow . . . .

473 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:12pm

re: #465 Guanxi88

cogs?

Cognito, Mr Super Ego Supremo...now unblocked so he can once again grace all of us with his "wit" and "wisdom".

474 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:21pm

re: #456 Oh no...Sand People!

From the video if I heard correctly:

"All American mass media has to do is unplug the bananas from their ears."

Truer words have been rarely spoken ;D

475 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:21pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

Bye, Walter.

476 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:22pm

Just keep it in perspective.

477 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:35pm

re: #469 Lincolntf

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

My son and his 'Condom on Banana' training says that you are WRONG!

/

478 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:44pm

re: #467 eclectic infidel

I dinged you one up for this comment. I just like that sentence. Gave me a chuckle.

If Mandy sees, I will have a dent in my head the size and shape of a clue-by-four.

479 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:28:58pm

re: #452 bombay311

Goes straight to the standard voicemail. computer voice saying leave a message for the number

I will probably go to the cops, but then I dont get the satisfaction of menacing this 4 year old masquerading as a grown man.

And I do so like to menace

That was a perfectly assinine thing to write if you're thinking of going to the police.

480 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:00pm

re: #453 Spare O'Lake

I really didn't think you could understand it all. I mean with those big words and all.

481 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:01pm

re: #473 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cognito, Mr Super Ego Supremo...now unblocked so he can once again grace all of us with his "wit" and "wisdom".

I get to dust off my GAZER and downdinger.

482 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:13pm

re: #469 Lincolntf

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

And Islamic Terrorism was considered the least of our worries concerning the safety of Americans until 9/11/01.

483 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:19pm

re: #432 BignJames

Let me rephrase that...All spiders are venomous.

To a degree, yes they are all venomous. Harmful to humans? Most aren't.

484 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:28pm

re: #466 Opilio

Shameless self-promotion starts with an "L" ?

And you can't spell "obvious" without Opilio.

485 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:33pm

re: #445 solomonpanting

I drew the Wiki site merely to show the attempts to insert the teaching of ID into the school system. I don't know the particulars of any of the cases, but it is possible that some of the lawsuits were brought about by concerned parents fighting the attempts to teach ID, not unlike the parents in this thread's article.


Wouldn't that be a violation of the First Amendment?


Here's the sad facts from a recent survey to back up what you are saying:

The researchers polled a random sample of nearly 2000 high-school science teachers across the US in 2007. Of the 939 who responded, 2% said they did not cover evolution at all, with the majority spending between 3 and 10 classroom hours on the subject.

However, a quarter of the teachers also reported spending at least some time teaching about creationism or intelligent design. Of these, 48% - about 12.5% of the total survey - said they taught it as a "valid, scientific alternative to Darwinian explanations for the origin of species".

Survey article link, aproximately 12.5% of science teachers in public schools teach ID instead of Evolution. read it and weep.

486 thedude  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:42pm

a repost of an earlier comment I posted on another thread but felt a laugh is always worth the second effort...

...orders are being taken for the new models coming ....
[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

487 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:42pm

re: #473 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cognito, Mr Super Ego Supremo...now unblocked so he can once again grace all of us with his "wit" and "wisdom".

He/She is back?!
Really?

488 eclectic infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:46pm

re: #469 Lincolntf

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

For now it is, but the last thing we need is it being pushed into the science classroom. The barbarian hordes must be met at the gates on this one. I agree with Sharmuta, the threat to science cannot be ignored.

489 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:50pm

re: #473 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cog is back in?

490 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:50pm

re: #476 Lincolntf

Just keep it in perspective.

Yeah- perspective! The kids are already getting such a great education, why worry if we screw up any more of it?

491 notutopia  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:51pm

re: #402 FurryOldGuyJeans

Raccoons are vicious and also carriers of rabies and brucellosis, (Brucella abortus) in cattle herds. They eat the heads off of our poultry and leave them to die.
*spit*

492 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:29:51pm

re: #463 theparson

I don't really know the laws in Ohio but it may not be too much different than Texas. I have actually dealt with this in the past few months. Whoever is doing it is probably using a "spoof" number.
In order for me as a PO to do anything about something like that here the message would have to contain a specific threat (known as Terroristic Threat in the Texas Penal Code). I could then attempt to get a judge to sign a warrant but I would first have to find the carrier (judges don't like "fishing expeditions").
I'm sure calling the number back gets you nowhere.
It's a lot like ID theft. It's very frustrating for the victim.

Its probably not menacing enough to get a warrant, in my opinion.
just enough to freak my wife out a little.
It personally didnt bother me, but the fact that she is freaked out has got me riled.

493 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:01pm

re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!

Saint 'Cognito': Defender of the MSM. Recently banned.

Unblocked by Our Lizard Overlord earlier today.

494 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:04pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

Aren't the trenches fun?

Oh, just all sorts of jollity! Sure, there's mud and rats and the occasional lost corpse, but we still get to play with shotguns!

495 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:11pm

re: #465 Guanxi88

cogs?


Cognito, our former resident contrarian

496 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:26pm

re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!

Saint 'Cognito': Defender of the MSM. Recently banned.

Oh, some more of that inside reptilian baseball stuff.

Trust me, this attitude or character flaw of mine is built on the theory that if I can cut as many people as much slack as is consistent with reason and my own limited patience, I can build up enough goodwill so that on the day when the knives are out and all eyes are on me, I've got a leg to stand on.

Plus, it makes a dandy way to lay the groundwork for an insanity defense, if that should prove necessary.

497 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:29pm

re: #481 Sharmuta

I get to dust off my GAZER and downdinger.

LOL!

/That struck me as SOOO funny.

498 outsidephilly  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:32pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

night, Walter . . . . , wish I had time to chat about the show, maybe next time?

499 Elcid  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:33pm

re: #463 theparson

Well my God (no pun intended) haven't seen hide nor hair of ya', for ages.

Hope all is well.

500 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:39pm

re: #469 Lincolntf

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

You are quite wrong in that assumption.

501 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:30:49pm

re: #479 Dianna

I never claimed to be smart!

502 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:31:10pm

re: #487 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #489 BignJames

See the Karma thread for the details.

503 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:31:28pm

re: #469 Lincolntf

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but Creationism is the least of the worries in our public schools.

I thought the least of the worries was the sale of french fries and gravy in the cafeteria./

504 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:31:35pm

re: #497 Oh no...Sand People!

Glad I could make you laugh. :)

505 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:31:45pm

re: #495 gman

Cognito, our former resident contrarian

RTIMF,

oops Cogs back!

506 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:31:52pm

re: #495 gman

Cognito, our former resident contrarian

And now once again current. Charles relented as explained in the Karma thread.

507 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:31:55pm

re: #494 Dianna

Oh, just all sorts of jollity! Sure, there's mud and rats and the occasional lost corpse, but we still get to play with shotguns!

My brother-in-law has a WW2 trenchgun and a "12 Disciples" pouch. I am so jealous.

508 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:32:04pm

re: #489 BignJames

Cog is back in?

No Cognito sighting yet (on this thread at least), but yes, the Big Lizard has decided to warm up the leftovers from the gamy buttocks refrigerator.

509 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:32:10pm

re: #467 eclectic infidel

I dinged you one up for this comment. I just like that sentence. Gave me a chuckle.

It tells me I'm falling down on the job.

510 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:32:36pm

I have decided that I for one do not want the left wing nutballs of our government schools teaching our children creationism even though I believe in it..(Partly due to this site; thanks Charles). This would be like asking the Kos Kids to teach Christianity. They have already trashed our founding fathers as blue-eyed rascist devils and to open up creationism would be a nightmare. Instead of the Pledge of Allegiance, our kids would be saying 'allah hackbar' or some crap like that at the start of the day and when creationism was completely indoctrinated,Christians and Joos would be apes and pigs in our textbooks..

511 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:32:48pm

re: #452 bombay311

Goes straight to the standard voicemail. computer voice saying leave a message for the number

I will probably go to the cops, but then I dont get the satisfaction of menacing this 4 year old masquerading as a grown man.

And I do so like to menace

Yeah, the other lizards gave the best advice. Lodge a complaint with the local PD or Sheriffs Dept. They can handle it fairly quickly.

And if it comes down to a criminal complaint? Well, then you will know who he/she is won't you. ;-)>

512 reine.de.tout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:32:50pm

re: #479 Dianna

That was a perfectly assinine thing to write if you're thinking of going to the police.

Or even if you're not.

513 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:33:02pm

re: #496 Guanxi88

Oh, some more of that inside reptilian baseball stuff.

Trust me, this attitude or character flaw of mine is built on the theory that if I can cut as many people as much slack as is consistent with reason and my own limited patience, I can build up enough goodwill so that on the day when the knives are out and all eyes are on me, I've got a leg to stand on.

Plus, it makes a dandy way to lay the groundwork for an insanity defense, if that should prove necessary.

Personally, I dug Cognito. I have never met a lizard that could take as much self brought on abuse and still keep it coming...patience of a Saint that one...

514 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:33:16pm

re: #481 Sharmuta

I get to dust off my GAZER and downdinger.

I expect you and Mandy to be real busy once he shows back up. ;)

515 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:33:29pm

re: #485 Thanos

Thank you very much for that link.
Those stats are truly sad and frightening, but, apparently, not to everyone....

516 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:34:02pm

The new tactic of the DI mobies: Creationism in schools = no big deal. Move along, nothing to see here, these are not the droids you are looking for, [ c'mon guys, leave us alone, we are no big deal, just look the other way....]

517 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:34:09pm

re: #513 Oh no...Sand People!

Personally, I dug Cognito. I have never met a lizard that could take as much self brought on abuse and still keep it coming...patience of a Saint that one...

More like stupid as a rock. ;)

518 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:34:34pm

re: #508 Dar ul Harb

No Cognito sighting yet (on this thread at least), but yes, the Big Lizard has decided to warm up the leftovers from the gamy buttocks refrigerator.

/do we at least get a JustMyView cap & trade?

519 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:34:40pm

re: #499 Elcid

Well my God (no pun intended) haven't seen hide nor hair of ya', for ages.

Hope all is well.

Pretty well. How 'bout you?

520 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:34:47pm

re: #504 Sharmuta

Glad I could make you laugh. :)

This is just one, out of the few THOUSAND times...I should have commented on those also.

521 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:34:55pm

re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!

Saint 'Cognito': Defender of the MSM. Recently banned.

.... recently reincarnated.

522 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:08pm

You people can't be serious. You honestly believe that the teaching of Creationism is going to infiltrate and corrupt our public schools?
Honestly, do you believe that?
If you do, then I can only humbly extend a gilt invitation to join the real world, 'cuz it ain't gonna happen.
There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

523 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:16pm

re: #516 Thanos

The new tactic of the DI mobies: Creationism in schools = no big deal. Move along, nothing to see here, these are not the droids you are looking for, [ c'mon guys, leave us alone, we are no big deal, just look the other way....]

Of course it is not big deal. How else are they going to get it into the school system if people make a fuss.

524 livefreeor die  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:29pm

Evening all,
CNN reporting that Attorney General Mike Mukasey collapsed while giving a speech.

525 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:42pm

re: #501 bombay311

I never claimed to be smart!

Well, this doesn't take much use of your brainpower.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just not crazy about watching people dig a hole for themselves.

526 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:45pm

Cog has value in that he challenges us to think and helps keep us honest. He could do it in a less irritating manner at times...

527 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:56pm

re: #517 FurryOldGuyJeans

Typical media-boy. Full of himself and self-righteousness. Hopped up on the dope he pushes.

528 Bobibutu  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:35:56pm

re: #521 Outrider

.... recently reincarnated.

To bad it wasn't in some parallel universe.

529 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:07pm

re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!

Saint 'Cognito': Defender of the MSM. Recently banned.

He's been reinstated.

530 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:20pm

re: #387 Killian Bundy

when's the last time you murdered a fish?


It's been weeks and the rivers here are infested with salmon. Maybe I'll have some luck on Monday.

531 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:26pm

re: #520 Oh no...Sand People!

COD5?

/thumb direction?

532 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:39pm

re: #507 OldLineTexan

My brother-in-law has a WW2 trenchgun and a "12 Disciples" pouch. I am so jealous.

I'm not.

I have this thing about rats.

533 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:47pm

re: #530 Killgore Trout

It's been weeks and the rivers here are infested with salmon. Maybe I'll have some luck on Monday.

Wear a bearsuit. I saw it on TV.

534 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:58pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

You people can't be serious. You honestly believe that the teaching of Creationism is going to infiltrate and corrupt our public schools?
Honestly, do you believe that?
If you do, then I can only humbly extend a gilt invitation to join the real world, 'cuz it ain't gonna happen.
There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

OK, then why are you telling Discovery institute that, not us? I've asked three times.

This is just another way to try to tell Charles what not to post.

535 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:59pm

re: #527 Sharmuta

Hopped up on the dope he pushes.

I was always told "never get high on your own supply." He broke that rule, huh?

Like having a drunk for a bar-tender.

536 coldwarrior  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:36:59pm

i always glazed over cognito's postings.

(i read the site a lot, but dont post much)

537 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:37:01pm

re: #485 Thanos

Survey article link, aproximately 12.5% of science teachers in public schools teach ID instead of Evolution. read it and weep.


Yeah I am weeping that children don't get the real truth about the hoax of evolution and the facts about creation.

538 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:37:06pm

re: #515 solomonpanting
Sad and frightening too, was the interviews FNC did with college age voters for obambi. Not a one out of 10 knew who William Ayers, Barney Frank, Chucky Schumer, Tom Daschle were. That is scary. Fucking idiot kids, taught by moron perfessers. Raised by asshat parents.

539 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:37:28pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

Read up on the real agenda about the Discovery Institute, as outlined in many of the ID threads here.

And people thought Islamic Terrorism was no threat until 9/11/01.

540 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:37:35pm

/pimf "aren't"

541 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:00pm

re: #512 reine.de.tout

Or even if you're not.

It's a fine line. I'm not sure I'd want to get anywhere close to it.

542 bombay311  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:11pm

re: #525 Dianna

Well, this doesn't take much use of your brainpower.

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just not crazy about watching people dig a hole for themselves.

I didnt think you were being mean
Honestly, I would never do anything that would potentially jeapordize my ability to take care of my family.
I am just venting
Its frustrating because I truly believe I know who it is and I am pretty sure based on the history of this workplace that he will get away with it

543 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:13pm

re: #527 Sharmuta

Typical media-boy. Full of himself and self-righteousness. Hopped up on the dope he pushes.

I like your explanation better. :) +DING

544 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:24pm

re: #532 Dianna

I'm not.

I have this thing about rats.

You could just bayonet them with this thing. Full heatshield with a lug for an Enfield P-17 bayonet...something like 14 inches of steel.

545 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:31pm

re: #533 OldLineTexan
Bwahahahaha! That's funny right there!

546 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:34pm

I don't know who first posted this, but it is so apt.....

Your text to link...

547 Elcid  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:35pm

re: #519 theparson

Not to bad, for an old man....lol.

548 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:42pm

re: #537 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yeah I am weeping that children don't get the real truth about the hoax of evolution and the facts about creation.

They can get those at Sunday school in your church. I don't want my kids subjected to pseudoscience for Discovery institute's purposes. Thanks for trying

549 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:38:56pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

You people can't be serious. You honestly believe that the teaching of Creationism is going to infiltrate and corrupt our public schools?
Honestly, do you believe that?
If you do, then I can only humbly extend a gilt invitation to join the real world, 'cuz it ain't gonna happen.
There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

/well, you just walked in

550 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:39:34pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

You people can't be serious. You honestly believe that the teaching of Creationism is going to infiltrate and corrupt our public schools?
Honestly, do you believe that?
If you do, then I can only humbly extend a gilt invitation to join the real world, 'cuz it ain't gonna happen.
There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

Yep- it's just not happening in places like Dover, PA, Louisiana, Texas, Kansas or anywhere else.

It's not happening- that must be why the DI is pushing their books- because it's not happening. Oh-kaaay.

551 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:39:34pm

re: #538 pingjockey

Fucking idiot kids, taught by moron perfessers. Raised by asshat parents.

enlightened on current events by CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and THe Daily Show.

552 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:39:34pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

Actually, it is. The problem is, there is so very much.

553 wolfie  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:01pm

re: #496 Guanxi88

Cutting people slack is not a character flaw, Guanxi. There are many different ways to persuade others. If we all used the same approach, well,.........all but one of us would be redundant. :)

554 Dar ul Harbarian  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:19pm

re: #524 livefreeor die

Evening all,
CNN reporting that Attorney General Mike Mukasey collapsed while giving a speech.

I hope he is alright.

555 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:21pm

re: #553 wolfie

Cutting people slack is not a character flaw, Guanxi. There are many different ways to persuade others. If we all used the same approach, well,.........all but one of us would be redundant. :)

You mean me, right?

556 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:24pm

re: #480 theparson

I really didn't think you could understand it all. I mean with those big words and all.

I understand you perfectly. You refuse to condemn Kramer's public equation of Nazi bookburners with those who wish to keep science out of the classroom.
That being the case, I deny your moral standing to demand that I explain anything to you.
Get it?

557 eclectic infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:37pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

You people can't be serious. You honestly believe that the teaching of Creationism is going to infiltrate and corrupt our public schools?
Honestly, do you believe that?
If you do, then I can only humbly extend a gilt invitation to join the real world, 'cuz it ain't gonna happen.
There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

I believe that if left unchecked and unopposed, creationism will be fostered on the public schools, at taxpayers expense, to the detriment of the young minds of American kids. Science will be demeaned and kids from all walks of life, from religious to secular and everyone inbetween will be force fed pseudo-science in place of scientific fact. Schools ARE in a bad state, and by permitting theology to replace science, they'll only degrade further.

558 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:37pm

re: #530 Killgore Trout

It's been weeks and the rivers here are infested with salmon. Maybe I'll have some luck on Monday.

They know you're coming, and promptly go elsewhere!

559 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:46pm

Again, 12.5 percent of science teachers are teaching flavors of DI's bullshit already Lincoln, so your point isn't true. The crap is already in public schools and needs to be countered.

560 Outrider  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:50pm

re: #491 notutopia

Raccoons are vicious and also carriers of rabies and brucellosis, (Brucella abortus) in cattle herds. They eat the heads off of our poultry and leave them to die.
*spit*

On the other hand, their pelts are still worth about $7-15 and the meat isn't bad when roasted.

561 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:53pm

re: #548 Thanos

They can get those at Sunday school in your church. I don't want my kids subjected to pseudoscience for Discovery institute's purposes. Thanks for trying

Well I don't know that organization. I bet you believe in man made Global warming too.

562 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:54pm

re: #538 pingjockey

Sad and frightening too, was the interviews FNC did with college age voters for obambi. Not a one out of 10 knew who William Ayers, Barney Frank, Chucky Schumer, Tom Daschle were. That is scary. Fucking idiot kids, taught by moron perfessers. Raised by asshat parents.

I saw that video and noted the questions asked of Obama's supporters.
I'd like to do a similar survey.

563 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:40:57pm

re: #493 FurryOldGuyJeans

Unblocked by Our Lizard Overlord earlier today.

That's just in order for us to view his karma.

564 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:41:27pm

re: #551 Silhouette
I doubt even those. I mean, this kids had no clue about anything other than obambi. Cult like.

565 Russkilitlover  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:42:26pm

re: #10 Charles

Well, the problem is, you have some guys from Seattle, creationists, .

That has to be the most incongruous sentence I've ever read. Creationists? From Seattle? Will wonders never cease.

566 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:42:49pm

re: #544 OldLineTexan

You could just bayonet them with this thing. Full heatshield with a lug for an Enfield P-17 bayonet...something like 14 inches of steel.

First, though, I have to stop making disgusted noises and trying to climb something.

It's totally irrational. I know rats can jump. I just hate them so much.

567 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:43:21pm

re: #550 Sharmuta

Yep- it's just not happening in places like Dover, PA, Louisiana, Texas, Kansas or anywhere else.

/it's certainly in perpetual check

568 Guanxi88  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:43:24pm

re: #553 wolfie

Cutting people slack is not a character flaw, Guanxi. There are many different ways to persuade others. If we all used the same approach, well,.........all but one of us would be redundant. :)

See, thing is, I used to be a real a**hole; took pride in my work, and was good at it. Then, I looked around, and said "Can there really be that many people who are so completely wrong about everything?"
Yeah, as I put a few more years on the frame, I realized that maybe I should be a little bit easier on folks.

569 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:44:03pm

re: #565 Russkilitlover
Yep. I'm over on the east side and that is one sentence I thought I'd never see.

570 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:44:18pm

re: #531 Killian Bundy

COD5?

/thumb direction?

Yeah... about that... I had every intention of playing it... then son's T ball practice that I had forgotten about made it's presence known...and if you ever have the chance to drive in Manila.. well, it takes about 1 hour to go 7 blocks... and then I was forced into watching the original, "Annie"...then fell asleep...and uh...

I'll let you know as soon as I get a chance...hopefully tonight..but I have a lot of shtuff going on in the way of extra work on a project here...

So...thumb neutral still. I really don't have TOO high of hopes though...

571 Russkilitlover  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:44:31pm

re: #538 pingjockey

Sad and frightening too, was the interviews FNC did with college age voters for obambi. Not a one out of 10 knew who William Ayers, Barney Frank, Chucky Schumer, Tom Daschle were. That is scary. Fucking idiot kids, taught by moron perfessers. Raised by asshat parents.

So this is our future? I was never a paranoid, frightened person, but I have this weird pit in my stomach. It's nothing I've eaten because I have a cast iron stomach, must be something in the air.....

572 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:44:31pm

Cognito is back?! Well, Biden is still around...go figure

573 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:44:49pm

re: #563 Alouette

That's just in order for us to view his karma.

His karma was viewable even when he was blocked.

574 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:44:59pm

re: #537 bitterclinger_in_PA

221% – That's some serious negative karma there.

575 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:13pm

re: #561 bitterclinger_in_PA

Well I don't know that organization. I bet you believe in man made Global warming too.

Yes I do. Only IDiots don't believe we contribute some to global warming. The science clearly shows we do. The debate isn't whether we contribute or not, it's how much, does it matter, and should we really go to extreme measures on something that we can't show the extent of?
Everytime some bonehead tries to say "man made global warming doesn't exist" it makes me cringe, because that makes the real argument against AGW political efforts all that much harder. They can label anyone speaking against it as a denialist, thanks to IDiots.

576 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:17pm

re: #561 bitterclinger_in_PA

Work that karma!

577 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:22pm

re: #557 eclectic infidel

I believe that if left unchecked and unopposed, creationism will be fostered on the public schools, at taxpayers expense, to the detriment of the young minds of American kids. Science will be demeaned and kids from all walks of life, from religious to secular and everyone inbetween will be force fed pseudo-science in place of scientific fact. Schools ARE in a bad state, and by permitting theology to replace science, they'll only degrade further.

Linky?

/you must have missed the last election

578 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:28pm

re: #561 bitterclinger_in_PA

Well I don't know that organization. I bet you believe in man made Global warming too.

You've got some homework to do:
See the hundred or so Discovery Institute threads here on LGF

579 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:34pm

re: #556 Spare O'Lake

I understand you perfectly. You refuse to condemn Kramer's public equation of Nazi bookburners with those who wish to keep science out of the classroom.
That being the case, I deny your moral standing to demand that I explain anything to you.
Get it?

I thought we were done? You just can't stay away from me can you?
I'm not going to be sucked into your little game. You made a statement, I didn't. You aren't man/woman enough to stand by what you said and are trying to evade it. I understand. I've been here a long time and I've seen your kind come and go.

580 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:49pm

re: #561 bitterclinger_in_PA

Well I don't know that organization. I bet you believe in man made Global warming too.

-86 Karma in 38 posts...

You hit 50 posts...I'll buy you a coke.

581 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:45:56pm

OT, AG Michael Mukasey has collapsed according to drudge. Doesn't look good...

582 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #565 Russkilitlover

That has to be the most incongruous sentence I've ever read. Creationists? From Seattle? Will wonders never cease.

Hippies, patchouli, and the Discovery Institute, oh my! Incongruity is part and parcel of the deception, apparently.

583 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:46:20pm

re: #561 bitterclinger_in_PA

Well I don't know that organization. I bet you believe in man made Global warming too.

Do you also stand around with your fingers in your ears crying, "Lalalalalalala, I can't hear you!"? These threads discuss the Discovery Institute with great - not to say "monotonous" - regularity.

And why are you attacking a fellow lizard? And are you a climatologist, perchance?

584 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:47:32pm

I've read the gibbering stupidity of the GBLT-types, and I've read the discourses of the Discovery Institute. Both are equally meaningless to me. Based in fiction, I feel no need to address them as fact.
If someone wants to teach that the sky is green, they will not be able to pass the smell-test of the parents and will be removed. Same will happen with Creationist preachers in Biology class.
I know that the owner of this site doesn't like people defending the rights of Creationists (my first day here someone got booted for a Jindal thing that I never quite understood) so I'm not gonna push my luck on this topic.
Suffice to say, worry less about people who don't believe in dinosaurs than you worry about people who DO believe in Socialism, because the latter are actually teaching your children every day.

585 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:47:53pm

I fucking rock.

Well, Remy fucking rocks.

Remy is whizzing through the Sewers of Paris. He rescued that whiny-ass rat with great dispatch. Spiders quiver at his presence. Bats genuflect. Frogs and snails just bow before him, happy to be annihilated by Remy, the Superior French Rat.

SHAZAM!

POW!

586 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:48:10pm

re: #491 notutopia

Raccoons are vicious and also carriers of rabies and brucellosis, (Brucella abortus) in cattle herds. They eat the heads off of our poultry and leave them to die.
*spit*

I still remember when my cousin and I were walking his family's dog. The dog lunged into the bushes, yanked out a small raccoon, and beat it to death against the pavement. That was the first time I'd actually seen something bigger than an insect die. That dog was very friendly to people, but was a terror to raccoons. He killed at least 4 of them, the other three when they made to mistake of entering his dog run.

587 wolfie  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:48:17pm

re: #510 greenmiler

I know many Biblical literalists who agree wholeheartedly with you. The last thing they want is for the state to teach their kids religion.

588 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:48:30pm

re: #566 Dianna

First, though, I have to stop making disgusted noises and trying to climb something.

It's totally irrational. I know rats can jump. I just hate them so much.

You don't have to explain anything to me. My mother, who I have SEEN swat a wasp with her hand, is absolutely frantic if confronted with mice/rats.

I have personally had to attend to a mouse in a trap under the dryer when Dad was in Canada on a deployment. It was so small that only the tail was caught...I had to remove it so that she could go back into that side of the house.

589 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:48:43pm

re: #572 greenmiler

Cognito is back?! Well, Biden is still around...go figure

Where did that come from?

590 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:48:53pm

re: #581 ziggyelman

H/T livefree or die

591 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:49:04pm

re: #584 Lincolntf

Wrong. See the article I linked, you are now lieing in the face of clear evidence.

592 Right mind left  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:49:19pm

re: #407 Oh no...Sand People!

Right there with you. As long as they can keep it in their private schools, they can teach what they want...within confines of the law. I think that's a big... 'if' though.

Yes, that is unfortunately the least of our worries in the global picture I fear... The steps between silencing, altering education and wanting to stomp out all others can be very narrow. When you see 'plans' to infiltrate an educational system or to overrun small countries... the right way to keep peace and keep the basis for coexistence can get challenged, usually from those who are unwilling to see outside their own ways.

I'm off to bed. Thanks ---

593 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:49:22pm

re: #561 bitterclinger_in_PA

Well I don't know that organization. I bet you believe in man made Global warming too.

Time for you to stop sniping and do some actual research into the DI and their agenda.

594 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:49:32pm

re: #575 Thanos

Yes I do. Only IDiots don't believe we contribute some to global warming. The science clearly shows we do. The debate isn't whether we contribute or not, it's how much, does it matter, and should we really go to extreme measures on something that we can't show the extent of?
Everytime some bonehead tries to say "man made global warming doesn't exist" it makes me cringe, because that makes the real argument against AGW political efforts all that much harder. They can label anyone speaking against it as a denialist, thanks to IDiots.


The only bonehead I know is you. I have seen your posts and they are a joke. You have swallowed the left's kool aid. I bet you are a practicing pagan.

595 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:50:02pm
596 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:50:02pm

re: #591 Thanos

I don't lie, ever.

597 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:50:02pm

re: #585 MandyManners

I fucking rock.

Well, Remy fucking rocks.

Remy is whizzing through the Sewers of Paris. He rescued that whiny-ass rat with great dispatch. Spiders quiver at his presence. Bats genuflect. Frogs and snails just bow before him, happy to be annihilated by Remy, the Superior French Rat.

SHAZAM!

POW!

/we're going to have to get yo started on COD4

598 Russkilitlover  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:50:19pm

re: #582 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hippies, patchouli,

Gak! Patchouli smells like old athletic socks. Anyone who adorns that crap must have the sensitivity of a skunk.

599 Teh Flowah  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:50:26pm

re: #522 Lincolntf

You people can't be serious. You honestly believe that the teaching of Creationism is going to infiltrate and corrupt our public schools?
Honestly, do you believe that?
If you do, then I can only humbly extend a gilt invitation to join the real world, 'cuz it ain't gonna happen.
There are plenty of real things to worry about in our schools and Creationism ain't one of 'em.

Maybe not. But I think that threat is much more real than our country being overrun by Islamists. We might be attacked by them, but the country itself won't change. Either way, the perception of how dangerous the threat is does not affect the feelings I have towards the issue. I despise both passionately.

I would also like to go a step further than some of the compromisers who inevitably appear in this thread. They usually exist in the form of creationists or creationist "sympathizers" who understand the doctrine of separation of church and state and so do not choose to push their beliefs on others through public educational standards. I would say that creationism may be fine, but ID is not.

ID is simply a facade. It was fashioned in order to implement creationism into the educational system. It purports not to be creationism. Christians who truly understand God's Word should see the problem. Trying to fool the public with what is clearly religious doctrine while still claiming that it is NOT religious. It's almost as if you are denying God himself. While believing the literal creationism myth, you try to get it into schools by denying it is religion. If you are going to be a creationist, do not do it in this round about way. Simply declare your beliefs. I'll think you a fool, but at least a principled fool. IDiots are neither intelligent nor principled. They have no redeeming qualities.

600 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:51:19pm

re: #584 Lincolntf

You are so 9/10.

601 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:51:25pm

re: #584 Lincolntf

Highly reminiscent of the fascist threads, where we were all told not to look at VB et al, because over in the other corner was islamists.

Didn't work then, and it wont work now.

Seems like this needs to be brought out of retirement.

602 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:51:26pm

re: #584 Lincolntf

Suffice to say, worry less about people who don't believe in dinosaurs than you worry about people who DO believe in Socialism, because the latter are actually teaching your children every day.

Why can't we worry about both?

603 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:51:42pm

re: #575 Thanos

THANK YOU! You expressed what I couldn't in words. I favorited that comment.

604 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:51:57pm

re: #590 Dar ul Harb

H/T livefree or die

Weird, I did a search on his name, and it didn't show up in my "find"

605 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:52:01pm

76 Charles
11/20/08 11:42:11 am reply quote 25

By the way, Cognito's account has been restored, because I think we need that little annoying edge he brings to the room.


Ok.

606 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:52:07pm

re: #594 bitterclinger_in_PA

You don't know me, so you must be looking in the mirror when you see that bonehead.

607 wolfie  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:52:21pm

re: #555 Guanxi88

:D

608 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:52:46pm

re: #604 ziggyelman

Weird, I did a search on his name, and it didn't show up in my "find"

Ah, Mike, vs. Michael....silly me!

609 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:52:54pm

re: #596 Lincolntf

I don't lie, ever.

But you just did, you said creationism wasn't being taught in public schools when clearly it is.

610 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:53:03pm

re: #594 bitterclinger_in_PA

The only bonehead I know is you. I have seen your posts and they are a joke. You have swallowed the left's kool aid. I bet you are a practicing pagan.

Mr. Phelps, for the love of all that is __________ (insert word of choice), help yourself out, and stop with the 'religious' attacks and holier than thou attitude.

611 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:53:47pm

re: #597 Killian Bundy

/we're going to have to get yo started on COD4

Not quite.

This is Ratatouille.

612 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:53:59pm

re: #594 bitterclinger_in_PA

The only bonehead I know is you. I have seen your posts and they are a joke. You have swallowed the left's kool aid. I bet you are a practicing pagan.

What posts that are a joke?

613 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:54:01pm

re: #587 wolfie

I know many Biblical literalists who agree wholeheartedly with you. The last thing they want is for the state to teach their kids religion.

I'm not a complete literalist but will confess that I believe some of this going on is spiritual

614 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:54:18pm

re: #594 bitterclinger_in_PA

The only bonehead I know is you. I have seen your posts and they are a joke. You have swallowed the left's kool aid. I bet you are a practicing pagan.

Speaking as a pagan, I cannot see why Thanos would be considered a leftist thereby.

As for bone-headedness, well. When you point your finger, there are at least three fingers (and possibly a thumb, depending on your style) pointing back at you.

615 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:54:34pm

re: #594 bitterclinger_in_PA

I love the smell of flaming karma. Keep going.

616 laxmatt1984  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:54:52pm

The AG, Michael Mukasey, collapsed while giving a speech in Washington, D.C. It is serious.

Audience members began praying for him.

617 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:54:55pm

When I was 18, I got my first whiff of what a government bailout was.

Chrysler Corp. was going bankrupt and they needed help fast. They came crawling to the government for a loan.....a whopping 1 billion dollars.

I remember the great debates going on at the time...although I was just a teenager, I still knew that this was something big. The government shouldn't give them a dime, my father said. My uncle said that maybe they should get some help. News coverage was equally divided. This is not what our country is all about, some said. Others thought that we couldn't afford to let one of the big 4 (it was 4 at the time) automakers fail.

It was only one billion dollars!

Fast forward less then three decades and see what's happening now. The government is buying up private companies to the tune of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS! With no end in sight!
If this isn't COMPLETE socialism, I don't know what is.

If there were ever a rallying cry for conservatives....this has to be it! The GOP needs a spokesman that can convey to the people what the hell is going on. We will NOT have a country anymore, not the type of free market capitalism that our founding fathers created, if this goes one step further. It may already be too late....but for me, this is the MOST pressing issue facing our country at this moment!
Not terrorism. Not Gay Marriage. Not evolution vs creationism. The #1 issue facing our country right now is the Fascist/Socialist takeover of the economy by our government.

[rant over]

618 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:55:13pm

re: #594 bitterclinger_in_PA

The only bonehead I know is you. I have seen your posts and they are a joke. You have swallowed the left's kool aid. I bet you are a practicing pagan.

Way to take a shot against someone who isn't here to defend them, @$$hat.

619 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:55:17pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

Where did that come from?


Cog had a little footnmouth problem at times

620 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:55:45pm

re: #609 Thanos

But you just did, you said creationism wasn't being taught in public schools when clearly it is.

Lack of knowledge is not a lie, but now he knows so he can't say it isn't happening.

621 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:55:53pm

re: #606 Thanos

You don't know me, so you must be looking in the mirror when you see that bonehead.

I reported that comment, as I thought the insults were over the line.

I hope you did, too.

622 JohnAdams  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:56:09pm

Well I just dropped in, and I hope that the old "No religion and politics" theory also holds for the "No religion politics and science" argument.

623 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:56:27pm

re: #617 DesertSage

I remember those days as well, but the good news is that Lee Iacocca did get it paid back.

/I don't think we will see that happen again if we bailout again....

624 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:56:44pm

re: #621 Dianna

I reported that comment, as I thought the insults were over the line.

I hope you did, too.

Sounded a little third grade to me.

625 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:57:06pm

re: #606 Thanos

You don't know me, so you must be looking in the mirror when you see that bonehead.

I know you. You are a hater on others opinion that do not agree with your godless ideas. Instead of having an intelligent discussion you rather attack. I pray for people like you who shut God out and His Truth.

626 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:57:25pm

re: #621 Dianna

No, I don't mind insults. I can take care of myself, but thanks for the consideration.

627 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:57:50pm

re: #623 Thanos
IIRC, Chrysler paid that loan back in less than 2 years.

628 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:03pm

re: #599 Teh Flowah

"IDiots are neither intelligent nor principled. They have no redeeming qualities."

So you obviously believe that all observant Jews who consider this year to be somewhere around 6,000 are unfit to teach in public schools or to hold public office?
There's a major disconnect between fact and faith going on here. I know that evolution is a fact. I also know that Religious freedom is a necessity. People need to dial it down a notch and look at the real situation in our schools before they start screeching hysterically about Creationists being equal to Al Qaeda.
Believe me, Al Qaeda made their bones by banning certain beliefs, not by promoting their own.

629 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:10pm

re: #621 Dianna

I reported that comment, as I thought the insults were over the line.

I hope you did, too.

It has to be a 'lefty' moby... Doing it's best to act out the 'stereotype' of the 'rightwing / hayseed / christian' for it's friends to follow the posts and then put them on other sites as 'proof' of the 'crazies' on LGF...

/that's the only excuse I can come up with that makes sense...

630 Bumr50  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:16pm

Politico is saying it's Hillary for SoS sometime after Thanksgiving. Gobble gobble puke.

631 notutopia  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:24pm

re: #560 Outrider

Roast it well done.

632 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:41pm

re: #624 theparson

Sounded a little third grade to me.

I'm tired of empty insults and no content.

Besides, I felt like defending any fellow pagans who might have felt some offence at being called leftists.

633 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:47pm

Prayers for the AG and family.

As the end of this Administration draws near, you would expect to hear broad praise for this success at keeping our Nation safe. Instead, I am afraid what we hear is a chorus with a rather more dissonant refrain. Instead of appreciation, or even a fair appraisal, of the Administration's accomplishments, we have heard relentless criticism of the very policies that have helped keep us safe. We have seen this in the media, we have seen this in the Congress, and we have heard it from the legal academy as well.

In some measure, those criticisms rest on a very dangerous form of amnesia that views the success of our counterterrorism efforts as something that undermines the justification for continuing them. In an odd way, we have become victims of our own success. In the eyes of these critics, if Al Qaeda has not struck our homeland for seven years, then perhaps it never posed much of a threat after all and we didn't need these counterterrorism policies.

--from A.G. Mukasey's remarks this evening to the Federalist Society

634 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:53pm

re: #628 Lincolntf

The overwhelming majority of Jews accept the veracity of evolution.

635 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:58:54pm

re: #617 DesertSage

Only good thing I know Carter did... But, there weren't any strings back then were there?

636 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:59:13pm

re: #614 Dianna

Speaking as a pagan, I cannot see why Thanos would be considered a leftist thereby.

As for bone-headedness, well. When you point your finger, there are at least three fingers (and possibly a thumb, depending on your style) pointing back at you.

Wasn't the first time that douche said a bigoted statement about pagans:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

637 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:59:32pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA

Then why the global warming accusation if you know me? This is from my blog, boneheaded in PA

638 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:59:40pm

re: #622 JohnAdams

Well I just dropped in

/to see what condition my condition was in

639 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:59:43pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA
I've had it. Do you have personal, revealed knowledge? How do you know those ideas are Godless?

640 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:59:53pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA

I know you. You are a hater on others opinion that do not agree with your godless ideas. Instead of having an intelligent discussion you rather attack. I pray for people like you who shut God out and His Truth.

You've only got 40 comments and you're already on the offensive.
Who's shutting the Truth out?

641 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 7:59:56pm

re: #609 Thanos

No, a web-link told me it was. Do you understand the difference?

642 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:00:05pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA

I know you. You are a hater on others opinion that do not agree with your godless ideas. Instead of having an intelligent discussion you rather attack. I pray for people like you who shut God out and His Truth.

Fred, seriously, you are going nowhere fast with that self righteous / arrogant attitude. The word 'stumbling block' comes to mind...

Just trying to help a brothah out.

643 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:00:09pm

re: #619 greenmiler

Cog had a little footnmouth problem at times

Yes he did. I'd didn't know he was back until just now. Sorry about that. I was at work when Charles put in that post.

644 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:00:27pm

re: #634 Sharmuta

The overwhelming majority of Jews accept the veracity of evolution.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Of course- since you're not interested in the subject, I'm sure it's more difficult to remain informed. In other words- you're ignorant.

645 HelloDare  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:00:29pm

Evolving Darwin Play Set

Contemplate the validity of evolution and natural selection with this five piece Evolving Darwin Play Set. Each meticulously detailed, hard vinyl figure represents a different stage of human evolution all the way from fish-man to a modern day Homo sapien in the form of Charles Darwin. Figures range from 3/8" to 3-1/4" tall.

646 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:00pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA

I know you. You are a hater on others opinion that do not agree with your godless ideas. Instead of having an intelligent discussion you rather attack. I pray for people like you who shut God out and His Truth.

Dude. The way you say "pray for" sounds kind of ominous. Kind of like a threat.

647 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:01pm

re: #628 Lincolntf

I have yet to see a concerted and coordinated effort to push religious doctrine as science in schools. I can't say the same about the efforts of the Discovery Institute.

Time to stop being so 9/10, dude.

648 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:09pm

re: #634 Sharmuta

Some do, some don't.

649 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:23pm

re: #628 Lincolntf


I believe it's the year 2008....what's that got to do with anything?

650 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:24pm

re: #628 Lincolntf

The only argument the tag team has is to stuff words and strawman assumptions into others mouths. You are so transparent.

651 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:27pm

re: #636 Basho

Wasn't the first time that douche said a bigoted statement about pagans:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think I shall not click; bigots bore me.

Besides, I'm fairly certain he doesn't really know what a pagan is.

652 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:30pm

re: #628 Lincolntf

So you obviously believe that all observant Jews who consider this year to be somewhere around 6,000 are unfit to teach in public schools or to hold public office?

Can you provide instances where this belief has corrupted their teaching or public service?

653 swamprat  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:01:40pm

This just in:
Body of famous scientist found. He was both a priest and a scientist. His outlandish claims have been proven over and over again by peers and skeptics alike. I have every reason to believe that he was a creationist to the day of his death, and no one has ever refuted his findings.

/I shall now duck and run.

654 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:02:09pm

re: #647 FurryOldGuyJeans

You really see a parallel between these ID people and the 9/11 attacks?

655 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:02:16pm

re: #614 Dianna

Speaking as a pagan, I cannot see why Thanos would be considered a leftist thereby.
As for bone-headedness, well. When you point your finger, there are at least three fingers (and possibly a thumb, depending on your style) pointing back at you.

I just tried it and can't seem to get my thumb to point back at me - how does that work? LOL.

656 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:02:40pm

re: #649 BignJames

I believe it's the year 2008....what's that got to do with anything?

All dating schemes are arbitrary.

657 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:02:50pm

re: #641 Lincolntf

No, a web-link told me it was. Do you understand the difference?


Duh, no. Why don't you educate me oh master of changing the subject when they are losing the debate on facts?

658 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:03:04pm

re: #626 Thanos

No, I don't mind insults. I can take care of myself, but thanks for the consideration.

Insults?

659 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:03:18pm

re: #651 Dianna

You're a better person than I am, hehehe =)

660 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:03:20pm

re: #654 Lincolntf

I see a major parallel in your attitude of ignoring threats.

661 notutopia  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:03:22pm

re: #568 Guanxi88

There is a level of TOLERANCE that makes us each unique.
There is an understanding however, that excessive tolerance becomes self abusive behavior when someone has been warned that they are stepping over your personal LIMIT of tolerance.
: )

662 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:03:41pm

re: #632 Dianna

I'm tired of empty insults and no content.

Besides, I felt like defending any fellow pagans who might have felt some offence at being called leftists.

Sorry Dianna. I didn't aim that at you and was in agreement with your post. The pointy headed comment sounded childish to me. Like, "I know you are but what am I".

663 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:03:53pm

re: #639 pingjockey

I've had it. Do you have personal, revealed knowledge? How do you know those ideas are Godless?

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?

664 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:04:01pm

re: #655 Spare O'Lake

I just tried it and can't seem to get my thumb to point back at me - how does that work? LOL.

My thumbs are very limber, I guess.

665 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:04:45pm

re: #635 ziggyelman

Only good thing I know Carter did... But, there weren't any strings back then were there?

Oh, yeah...there were strings attached. Chrysler was required to pay back the loan, which they did. With interest. Ahead of schedule.

With these HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS that the government is throwing around now, the taxpayer will never see it again. Now, ipso facto, the government owns everything. They are now in the socialism business.

666 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:10pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?

Judge not lest ye be judged, you moron.

667 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:17pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA
The Bible is for everyone. You speak as if someone has spoken to you personally. Not just the angels of our better selves.

668 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:24pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?

Fred Phelps, I know the economy is down and times that tough. Run out of customers in your church?

669 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:25pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

So- you read the Bible and thought the best thing you could do for Jesus was remove evolution from science class?

670 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:26pm

re: #662 theparson

Sorry Dianna. I didn't aim that at you and was in agreement with your post. The pointy headed comment sounded childish to me. Like, "I know you are but what am I".

Um...which was the "pointy headed" comment? If it was mine, I thought I was pointing out the obvious.

671 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:32pm

re: #646 theparson

Dude. The way you say "pray for" sounds kind of ominous. Kind of like a threat.


It is not a threat. It is the Truth. DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

672 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:05:54pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA

Karma at -250% and falling, fast.   Rapidly approaching crush depth.

673 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:06:07pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?

As Heinlein pointed out, you can prove pretty much anything, using the Bible.

674 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:06:43pm

re: #672 Opilio

Karma at -250% and falling, fast.   Rapidly approaching crush depth.

Time to classify this one as a troll?

675 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:06:48pm

re: #628 Lincolntf

"IDiots are neither intelligent nor principled. They have no redeeming qualities."

So you obviously believe that all observant Jews who consider this year to be somewhere around 6,000 are unfit to teach in public schools or to hold public office?
There's a major disconnect between fact and faith going on here. I know that evolution is a fact. I also know that Religious freedom is a necessity. People need to dial it down a notch and look at the real situation in our schools before they start screeching hysterically about Creationists being equal to Al Qaeda.
Believe me, Al Qaeda made their bones by banning certain beliefs, not by promoting their own.

/hey, ride with the tide,go with the flow, moonbats are our new overlords

676 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:06pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?

Hmm... My troll detector is getting a reading on this one. Could he be a moby?

677 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:06pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?


Which Bible?

678 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:09pm
“This is all being ginned up by the evolution side,” McLeroy, of College Station, said in an interview during a break. “I’m a creationist, but I’m not going to put creationism in the schools.” ...

Well, you have to give the guy credit. He's not letting his personal beliefs get in the way of education.

679 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:26pm

re: #665 DesertSage

Oh, yeah...there were strings attached. Chrysler was required to pay back the loan, which they did. With interest. Ahead of schedule.

With these HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS that the government is throwing around now, the taxpayer will never see it again. Now, ipso facto, the government owns everything. They are now in the socialism business.

I didn't make myself clear at all...I was thinking more along the lines of Carter or the Dems in congress telling them what to build...I don't think they did. I am SURE the dems today will make FordGMChrysler make nothing but smart cars....

680 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:27pm

re: #670 Dianna

Um...which was the "pointy headed" comment? If it was mine, I thought I was pointing out the obvious.

Sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious. ;)

681 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:30pm

re: #652 solomonpanting

Only in my actual life. Not on the Internet. I know countless Jewish people and almost half of them are teachers. Does that ever leak into their 4th grade Geography classes? I doubt it.
Faith should be separated from facts. I don't support "teaching" ID, but I get a little bent out of shape when I see one view (solely because it's informed by a Religious philosophy) banned, while other (informed by bizarro philosophies like Marxism) views are considered peachy-keen.

682 Basho  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:43pm

re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans

Time to classify this one as a troll?

The "DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" settles it imo.

683 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:07:51pm

re: #513 Oh no...Sand People!

Personally, I dug Cognito. I have never met a lizard that could take as much self brought on abuse and still keep it coming...patience of a Saint that one...

He ran rings intellectually around most of the people sniping at him, though he wasn't particularly nice. The abuse tended to make his would-be tormentors look silly and impotent, so I suspect he wasn't too troubled by it.

684 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:08:23pm

re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans

Time to classify this one as a troll?

Maybe. I'll get the grill started just in case.

685 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:08:27pm

re: #656 Dianna

All dating schemes are arbitrary.

Maybe Chemisty.com, but I think eHarmony may be an exception...

/

686 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:08:32pm

re: #674 FurryOldGuyJeans

Time to classify this one as a troll?

No, he's not amusing enough to be a troll. He's just a jerk.

A Christian with a revelation, and he insults people. I see no charity, faith or hope. Just anger.

687 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:08:43pm
688 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:08:52pm

re: #682 Basho

The "DUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" settles it imo.

The religious sanctimoniousness was my tipping point.

689 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:09:03pm

re: #672 Opilio

Karma at -250% and falling, fast.   Rapidly approaching crush depth.

In it's mind, it thinks that all this self inflicted 'persecution' is proof that it is right and that God is on it's side...

/Takin it for the winning team aren't we now Fred? Have a great Sunday sermon for the sheep there, Fred? How the world, 'Hates you' there Fred? Just know that you started hurling out the religious diatribes to the 'ungodly' first...

690 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:09:22pm

re: #625 bitterclinger_in_PA

I pray for people like you who shut God out and His Truth.


When did prayers become insults?

691 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:09:26pm

re: #666 Basho

Judge not lest ye be judged, you moron.


Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

692 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:09:57pm

re: #670 Dianna

Um...which was the "pointy headed" comment? If it was mine, I thought I was pointing out the obvious.

You were and I meant no offense.

693 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:10:00pm

re: #685 Opilio

Maybe Chemisty.com, but I think eHarmony may be an exception...

/

Well played!

694 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:10:40pm

re: #681 Lincolntf

If they wanted to teach ID in philosophy class, I doubt you'd see the same reaction.

The problem is they want to teach ID in science class. It's not science.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with teaching marxism in schools, and everything to do with anti-science zealots trying to upend scientific materialism. In that sense- the anti-material sense, this is very much more of the same marxist bullshit you claim to oppose.

695 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:10:42pm

I haven't been Christian for a long time but I don't ever remember prayers being synonymous with "fuck you".

696 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:10:43pm

re: #683 Moe Katz

He ran rings intellectually around most of the people sniping at him

/geez, maybe he should be LGF canonized

697 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:10:46pm

re: #681 Lincolntf

Only in my actual life. Not on the Internet.

Are they ever subjected to penalties or reprimands?

698 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:03pm

re: #689 Oh no...Sand People!
Lincoln has upset some folks, but plrase leave that Phelps asshole out of it. I belong to the Patriot Guard Riders and one of the things we do is help screen the families from those lunatics.

699 whitehatguy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:05pm

re: #10 Charles

I bet those naked dudes in the Seattle parks aren't creationists.

700 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:11pm

re: #681 Lincolntf

Well then once again I ask why don't you communicate that to Phillip Johnson, Howard Ahmanson, and the Discovery Institute instead of here? Wouldn't their money, time, and resources be better spent countering marxism in the teaching colleges? Perhaps your eloquence and great wisdom could convince them. Please do go forth and conquer...

701 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:14pm

Damn.. Time to call it a night and fresh troll buttocks is on the menu.

Oh well, need to loose weight anyway.

Night all, Play (somewhat) nice all

702 Quad Mocha Matti  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:17pm
703 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:19pm

re: #677 BignJames

Which Bible?

Layman's Parallel, or course.

If you're going to pick up a Bible, why not choose one of the heaviest (almost 5 lbs. of solid scripture)?

704 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:22pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

And you'd bet wrong.

GAZE

705 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:29pm

re: #663 bitterclinger_in_PA

Yes did you ever Pick up the Bible?

BE NICE.

BE NICE NOW.

706 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:35pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

You are a bitter clinger. Nice nic.

707 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:36pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA
You are sooooo wrong.

708 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:39pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

Reading it and understanding it are two different things, apparently.

709 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:50pm

re: #526 Thanos

Cog has value in that he challenges us to think and helps keep us honest. He could do it in a less irritating manner at times...

His written style reminds me of print media editors. I imagine him holding people's feet to the fire concerning facts, much as he would with an eager and overly excited young reporter.

710 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:51pm

re: #690 Killgore Trout

When did prayers become insults?

When he's like Ajax Minor, shooting from behind Ajax Major's shield.

Only the shield is his "religion" - using the term loosely - with his anger in the role of Ajax Major.

711 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:11:55pm
712 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:03pm

re: #695 Killgore Trout

I haven't been Christian for a long time but I don't ever remember prayers being synonymous with "fuck you".

Well said.

713 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:13pm

re: #698 pingjockey

Lincoln has upset some folks, but plrase leave that Phelps asshole out of it. I belong to the Patriot Guard Riders and one of the things we do is help screen the families from those lunatics.

Thank you for your and their hard work.

714 Cutty Sark  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:25pm

#159 SW Paul ..... is not Texas a "red " state ? Wanna go even money that the majority of those pesky creationists are republicans ?

That is not to say "ALL " republicans are creationists , but in Texas , the odds are that they are .

715 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:26pm

re: #699 whitehatguy

I bet those naked dudes in the Seattle parks aren't creationists.

No, they are probably practicing panspermists, starting little worlds of their own in various dark areas and the restroom stalls.

716 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:30pm

re: #683 Moe Katz

He ran rings intellectually around most of the people sniping at him, though he wasn't particularly nice. The abuse tended to make his would-be tormentors look silly and impotent, so I suspect he wasn't too troubled by it.

I thought he was being a little silly and impotent, but thats just me :)

717 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:48pm

re: #706 Killgore Trout

You are a bitter clinger. Nice nic.

Nothing wrong with clinging to a pint of bitter.

718 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:52pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

You sure would lose your shirt if you made that bet.

719 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:57pm

re: #712 Sharmuta

I see prayers used as insults so often. I don't think people understand what it's all about anymore.

720 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:12:58pm
721 DesertSage  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:00pm

re: #679 ziggyelman

I didn't make myself clear at all...I was thinking more along the lines of Carter or the Dems in congress telling them what to build...I don't think they did. I am SURE the dems today will make FordGMChrysler make nothing but smart cars....

I'm so pissed off about the socialist takeover of our country that I didn't even get your nuance, sorry about that.

You're right, the "government" will definitely demand that the auto manufacturers make the cars that the "government" wants them to make.
That's the problem with socialism, the government controls everything....not the people.

722 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:15pm

re: #709 Moe Katz

He's the master of obfuscation, not fact checking. Get a grip- the man's a troll.

723 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:16pm

re: #705 MandyManners

BE NICE.

BE NICE NOW.

Or you'll whack him, eh, Mandy? :)

724 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:17pm

re: #695 Killgore Trout

I haven't been Christian for a long time but I don't ever remember prayers being synonymous with "fuck you".

/well there was all that latin talk when they were setting joan of arc on fire..
I'm pretty sure it all boiled down to fuck you..just a rough guess

725 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:20pm

re: #698 pingjockey

Lincoln has upset some folks, but plrase leave that Phelps asshole out of it. I belong to the Patriot Guard Riders and one of the things we do is help screen the families from those lunatics.

I would leave Phelps out of it...but he apparently is posting in person...

726 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:34pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

Um...Look back over this thread.

Look at what you said to Thanos - empty of anything but insult and judgement - unjustified and unsupported. Now, tell me you are not judging.

That, or admit that you lie, and are definitely prone to the deadly sin of wrath.

727 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:13:59pm

re: #695 Killgore Trout

I haven't been Christian for a long time but I don't ever remember prayers being synonymous with "fuck you".

That's because it isn't.

728 Alouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:14:18pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

Oh, sod off, silly bugger.

729 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:14:19pm

re: #704 Dark_Falcon

And you'd bet wrong.

GAZE

well i glad you are one.

730 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:14:21pm

re: #677 BignJames

Which Bible?

/there are many free versions, dating back more than 600 years

731 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:14:22pm

re: #710 Dianna

BTW, did you notice that you are secretly running LGF (along with many others) according to stalker blogs? Congratulations.

732 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:14:35pm

re: #713 FurryOldGuyJeans
You are welcome. It is just a little thing but it really helps the families even if phelps and his cult isn't there.

733 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:15:18pm

re: #683 Moe Katz

He ran rings intellectually around most of the people sniping at him, though he wasn't particularly nice. The abuse tended to make his would-be tormentors look silly and impotent, so I suspect he wasn't too troubled by it.

It's never safe to be nostalgic about something until you're absolutely certain there's no chance of its coming back. ~Bill Vaughn

I'm sure we'll get our fill soon enough

734 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:15:19pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

He's the master of obfuscation, not fact checking. Get a grip- the man's a troll.

STAN.

735 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:15:24pm

re: #724 HoosierHoops

Ahh, I thought that was "ouch! ouch! ouch!"

736 bitterclinger_in_PA  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:15:30pm

re: #718 FurryOldGuyJeans

You sure would lose your shirt if you made that bet.


good to hear...

737 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:15:30pm

re: #709 Moe Katz

His written style reminds me of print media editors. I imagine him holding people's feet to the fire concerning facts, much as he would with an eager and overly excited young reporter.

Ha, you used "reporter" and "facts" in the same sentence. You're funny.

738 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:15:39pm

BEHOLD. Cognitive dissonance.

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you....

Followed immediately by:

So many people here separated from God.
i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

739 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:03pm
740 CynicalConservative  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:15pm

re: #690 Killgore Trout

When did prayers become insults?

As a matter of discussion, prayers can be insulting to someone who doesn't share your belief system, but most tend to allow this to pass in the interest of adult conversation and societal harmony. I do find prayers "for me" or "at me" offensive but other than this one post to make a point, I let them pass out of respect for your beliefs and hope to have the same respect in the future.

741 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:15pm

Thump. Thump. Thump. Thump....

742 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:29pm

re: #729 bitterclinger_in_PA

well I am glad you are one.

PIYF

743 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:44pm

re: #714 Cutty Sark

#159 SW Paul ..... is not Texas a "red " state ? Wanna go even money that the majority of those pesky creationists are republicans ?

That is not to say "ALL " republicans are creationists , but in Texas , the odds are that they are .

Before I waste a perfectly good "Fuck You", would you mind rephrasing that for clarity?

744 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:47pm

re: #738 Opilio

PERFECT! The sun shines at noon day and it denies it.

745 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

Go back to your dorm.

746 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:58pm

re: #724 HoosierHoops

/well there was all that latin talk when they were setting joan of arc on fire..
I'm pretty sure it all boiled down to fuck you..just a rough guess

Um...no. Not really.

Joan's a fascinating case. But waaaaay off topic.

747 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:16:59pm

re: #732 pingjockey

You are welcome. It is just a little thing but it really helps the families even if phelps and his cult isn't there.

Helping a family in need is no little thing.

748 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:17:06pm

re: #725 Oh no...Sand People!
Man...That is harsh. But it is your choice. Those phelps folks are cretins. Don't know if lincoln is a cretin.

749 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:17:46pm

re: #734 MandyManners

Sure seems to have fooled enough people here though. Amazing.

750 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:17:54pm

re: #730 Killian Bundy

/there are many free versions, dating back more than 600 years

He's prolly a KJV guy.

/good enough for Jesus, good enough for me.

751 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:01pm

re: #737 OldLineTexan

Ha, you used "reporter" and "facts" in the same sentence. You're funny.


That's matter and anti-matter! Why are we still here?

752 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:08pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

You say this like your "connection with God" somehow makes you superior to the rest of us who are "separated".

753 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:13pm

re: #736 bitterclinger_in_PA

good to hear...

You really don't have a clue, do you?

Are your eyes naturally brown or what?

754 eclectic infidel  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:33pm

re: #577 Killian Bundy

Linky?

/you must have missed the last election

Link for what? That ID is a bad idea for science class or that our public schools need an overhaul?

755 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:39pm

re: #752 logboy

You say this like your "connection with God" somehow makes you superior to the rest of us who are "separated".

It's self-righteous karma flaming- even better!

756 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:40pm
757 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:18:55pm

re: #729 bitterclinger_in_PA

well i glad you are one.

You, bitter, are ungrammatical, empty, and clanging.

I suggest you go re-read Corinthians. Both letters.

I don't remember if they're actually Pauline or pseudo-Paul, but they're still very fine.

758 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:19:03pm

re: #721 DesertSage

I'm so pissed off about the socialist takeover of our country that I didn't even get your nuance, sorry about that.

You're right, the "government" will definitely demand that the auto manufacturers make the cars that the "government" wants them to make.
That's the problem with socialism, the government controls everything....not the people.

And people have very short memories...no one seems to recall that the US auto industry was very nearly ruined in the 70's by smog and safety requirements forced upon them too quickly.

Have to learn same lesson all over again. A shame.

759 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:19:15pm

re: #751 greenmiler
We aren't. This is all a figment of our imaginations in some other universe!

760 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:19:55pm

re: #691 bitterclinger_in_PA

Who is judging? I am not. I don't know any of you. I am disclosing to all of you the Truth. The Truth is the Truth. So many people here separated from God. i will bet most of you have not read the Bible.

Your pride is at issue.

761 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:20:03pm

re: #731 Killgore Trout

BTW, did you notice that you are secretly running LGF (along with many others) according to stalker blogs? Congratulations.

Me?!

Since when?

Ah...and which set of stalkers?

762 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:20:06pm

re: #719 Killgore Trout

I see prayers used as insults so often. I don't think people understand what it's all about anymore.

/and as a self avowed heathen, you're an expert on the mindset of Christians, what do you know about Christian prayer anyway?

763 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:20:06pm

re: #748 pingjockey

Man...That is harsh. But it is your choice. Those phelps folks are cretins. Don't know if lincoln is a cretin.

No no...not directed at Lincoln...BitterClinger in PA!

We are talking about 2 different things.

764 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:20:23pm

re: #751 greenmiler

That's matter and anti-matter! Why are we still here?

I can only assume the dilithium crystals are in good order.

765 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:20:30pm

re: #756 ploome hineni

lolol

that was not the KJV

Yeh, but that's what the KJV Only groups say.

766 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:20:31pm

re: #759 pingjockey

We aren't. This is all a figment of our imaginations in some other universe!


Ah shit that's right, I forgot!

767 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #755 Sharmuta

It's self-righteous karma flaming- even better!

I'm just doing my best to stir the pot. I LOVE these threads. Did anyone get my "thump. thump. thump." joke?

768 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:21:38pm

re: #753 FurryOldGuyJeans

You really don't have a clue, do you?

Are your eyes naturally brown or what?

Mine are. Are you coming on to me? NTTAWWT, but I don't swing that way.

/

769 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:21:42pm

re: #764 OldLineTexan

I can only assume the dilithium crystals are in good order.

Scotty's gonna be pissed if they aren't.

770 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:21:49pm

re: #763 Oh no...Sand People!
Oh crap! You are right. What I get for watching a show about Stonehenge and trying to keep up here. Sorry.

771 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:03pm

re: #711 ploome hineni

I ddn;t think so

You are permitted to contradict me, Ploome. I just won't pay any attention to it. :D

772 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:11pm

re: #764 OldLineTexan

I can only assume the dilithium crystals are in good order.


Geordi's on the job as usual!

773 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:12pm

re: #754 eclectic infidel

Link for what? That ID is a bad idea for science class or that our public schools need an overhaul?

Right.

/that's why it's still illegal to teach ID as science in this country

774 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:12pm

re: #762 Killian Bundy

I do believe that KT was practicing Catholic at one time, I could be mis-remembering.

775 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:22pm
776 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:29pm

re: #628 Lincolntf

You're arguing off-point, knocking down a strawman of your own making. Few, if any here, are advocating outlawing belief.

We are saying, "Do NOT teach BELIEF (in public schools) AS IF it were SCIENTIFIC FACT."

Do you see a problem here, Lincoln?

777 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:42pm

re: #768 OldLineTexan

Mine are. Are you coming on to me? NTTAWWT, but I don't swing that way.

/

ROFLMHWAO

778 MandyManners  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:43pm

Good night.

779 swamprat  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:22:48pm

re: #690 Killgore Trout

When did prayers become insults?

from "ZORRO, THE GAY BLADE":

-Oh heavenly Peter...
-'Oh heavenly Peter...'
-He who sews and knits...
-'He who knits and sews...'
-So that we may follow in his fashion-'So that we may follow in his fashion'
-Let this simple inane man
-'Let this simple inane man'
-Find what he seeks!
-'Find what he seeks.


ask, and it shall be given; seek and ye shall find

780 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:24pm

re: #762 Killian Bundy

/and as a self avowed heathen, you're an expert on the mindset of Christians, what do you know about Christian prayer anyway?


I was raised Catholic. I've prayed many times before.

781 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:27pm

Yay! Troy Polamalu gets a pick!

782 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:28pm
783 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:29pm

re: #762 Killian Bundy

/and as a self avowed heathen, you're an expert on the mindset of Christians, what do you know about Christian prayer anyway?

I'm the heathen; Killgore's an agnostic/atheist/former believer of one stripe or another/faintly anti-Catholic.

784 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:31pm

re: #716 greenmiler

I thought he was being a little silly and impotent, but thats just me :)

Oh, no. Not a sweet fellow, but the truest buzzsaw I've seen around here in a long time.

785 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:36pm

re: #772 greenmiler
Geordi is an apprentice compared to Mr. Scott.

786 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:39pm

re: #761 Dianna

LGF2

787 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:23:53pm

re: #774 Thanos

I do believe that KT was practicing Catholic at one time, I could be mis-remembering.

Yes, he was raised in the faith.

788 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:14pm
789 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:16pm

re: #774 Thanos

I do believe that KT was practicing Catholic at one time, I could be mis-remembering.

/and Obama was technically born a Muslim because of his father

790 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:22pm

nite mandy!

791 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:25pm

re: #783 Dianna

I'm the heathen; Killgore's an agnostic/atheist/former believer of one stripe or another/faintly anti-Catholic.

What is a heathen?

792 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:30pm

Steelers win, 27-10.

793 sadhu  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:32pm

having a good laugh watching Groucho and Chico, Harpo, Gummo & Zeppo (never knew there was a Gummo) --- most humor these days is so sarcastic I've lost all interest in it --- nice to laugh the old days and ways

794 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:24:52pm

re: #782 ploome hineni

but you do swing?

/bada bing

My loincloth is at the drycleaners. So, no, not at the moment.

795 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:22pm

re: #774 Thanos

Correct. My family, who is still Catholic, is much harsher on the Church than I am. You guys would freak out, I'm nothing compared to them.

796 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:23pm

re: #792 Ward Cleaver
Is that all? Ball state could beat cincy.

797 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:24pm

re: #780 Killgore Trout

I was raised Catholic. I've prayed many times before.

/then why do you feel threatened by it?

798 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:30pm

re: #596 Lincolntf

I don't lie, ever.

Honest? May I call you Abe, or just Lincoln?

799 swamprat  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:31pm

re: #793 sadhu


Groucho wasn't sarcastic?

800 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:37pm

re: #736 bitterclinger_in_PA

good to hear...


Explain something to me. I spent 9 months in a country where people were running around trying and succeeding at killing one another all "in the name of God". So I ask you, if God is on our side, who the hell is on theirs?

801 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:38pm

Oh, they love Dianna over at LGF2. Not.

802 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:38pm

re: #681 Lincolntf

I know countless Jewish people and almost half of them are teachers.

Oh really?

803 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:25:51pm

re: #767 logboy

It must be a joke of Biblical proportions to be 'gotten' by some, Loggy!

804 NoGardtheGreat  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:22pm

I'm not even going to post to this thread!

Ooops....

805 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:23pm

re: #786 Killgore Trout

Wow.

I honestly thought I wasn't important enough to get their attention. Huh.

Well, they must be sadly disappointed. I only run my life and my office.

806 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:35pm
807 ziggyelman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:40pm

re: #793 sadhu

having a good laugh watching Groucho and Chico, Harpo, Gummo & Zeppo (never knew there was a Gummo) --- most humor these days is so sarcastic I've lost all interest in it --- nice to laugh the old days and ways

A documentary? I don't recall o' Gummo in any of their films! I recall one Docu. with folks saying Zeppo and Gummos were as funny if not funnier than the rest....have a hard time believing that...

808 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:40pm

re: #722 Sharmuta

He's the master of obfuscation, not fact checking. Get a grip- the man's a troll.

Sharm, send me an example of a thread in which he didn't have a superior grip on the facts and was obfuscating. I will look into it at leisure, not tonight. I haven't read every thread he's been on, and my mind is open.

809 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:47pm

re: #769 FurryOldGuyJeans

Scotty's gonna be pissed if they aren't.

Aa canna' change the laws of physics!

810 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:26:48pm

re: #785 pingjockey

Geordi is an apprentice compared to Mr. Scott.

Aye, but he's dead I think; I know Bones is

811 Thanos  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:27:05pm

re: #795 Killgore Trout

Correct. My family, who is still Catholic, is much harsher on the Church than I am. You guys would freak out, I'm nothing compared to them.

I believe you, my family are all service members, they are anti-most organized large faiths, having been turned away from most big Churches in their travels around the world. They are Christians, but I would not call them devout.

812 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:27:09pm

re: #797 Killian Bundy

I have requested prayers on this very blog not too long ago and have recommended lizards for the prayer list. I only take offense when prayers are used as an insult.

813 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:27:19pm

re: #791 theparson

What is a heathen?

A pagan. Or, more properly, "one who lives on a heath and isn't a Christian."

I don't actually live on a heath, mind you.

814 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:27:19pm

re: #801 Ward Cleaver
What in hell is LGF2? A pale imitation? Bastard step child? Evil twin?

815 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:27:29pm

re: #796 pingjockey

Is that all? Ball state could beat cincy.

I still haven't heard the details as to why Chad Johnson got yanked from tonight's game. But apparently he disobeyed a direct order from Marvin Lewis, in front of the team.

816 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:27:36pm

Fine, I didn't bother to pick a particular post to respond to, but you creation-o-phobes know who I'm talking to.
Just try to put the "Creationist" kerfuffle into a reasonable context.
Nobody could plausibly teach Science without incorporating the fact of evolution. Nature simply doesn't work without it.
If some podunk school system incorporates their Religious beliefs into the curriculum, then that's regrettable. Not nearly as regrettable as what the kids are taught in all of their other classes, but still regrettable.
I really think that some of the posters here are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to their anti-ID hysteria.

817 sadhu  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:09pm

re: #799 swamprat

Groucho wasn't sarcastic?

yeah, wrong word I guess

818 Palandine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:26pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Palin doesn't care about Thanksgiving suffering.......
The Turkey doesn't realize turkeys are dying behind her!

Heh.

Heh. They _do_ know where Thanksgiving dinner comes from, don't they? I love FBV as much as the next girl, but Thanksgiving, for most Americans, consists of one of those birds, roasted or fried.

Mmm, taste the carnage... ;)

819 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:34pm

re: #801 Ward Cleaver

Oh, they love Dianna over at LGF2. Not.

Eeep!?

What did I do?

820 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:41pm

re: #802 Spare O'Lake

re: #681 Lincolntf

I know countless Jewish people and almost half of them are teachers.

Oh really?

How does half a person become a teacher?

821 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:50pm

re: #810 greenmiler
Yeah, he's gone. They were going to shoot some of his ashes into orbit and the damn rocket malfunctioned!

822 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:53pm

re: #814 pingjockey

What in hell is LGF2? A pale imitation? Bastard step child? Evil twin?

It's a stalker blog (it's official name is Little Green Footballs II), mainly run by ex-lizard Rodan.

823 Killian Bundy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:28:58pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

I have requested prayers on this very blog not too long ago and have recommended lizards for the prayer list. I only take offense when prayers are used as an insult.

/so, if I say I'm going to pray for you, that's an insult?

824 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:07pm

Speaking of Star Trek, I saw the trailer for the new movie. Yowza.

825 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:20pm

re: #812 Killgore Trout

My family is mostly nominally Catholic. They go to mass a couple times a year. Even the most devout among them don't give money to the church anymore because of the sex scandals.

826 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:25pm

re: #783 Dianna

I'm the heathen; Killgore's an agnostic/atheist/former believer of one stripe or another/faintly anti-Catholic.

I thought you were the pagan... I need a new scorecard.

/ or does pagan == heathen

827 Lincolntf  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:29pm

re: #802 Spare O'Lake

I exaggerate, but only by a little.

828 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:39pm

re: #815 Ward Cleaver
More of that insubordination bug going around.

829 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:43pm

re: #819 Dianna

Eeep!?

What did I do?

You're like the No. 2 cultist. I was reading there this morning.

830 wolfie  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:45pm

re: #694 Sharmuta

This has nothing whatsoever to do with teaching marxism in schools, and everything to do with anti-science zealots trying to upend scientific materialism. In that sense- the anti-material sense, this is very much more of the same marxist bullshit you claim to oppose.


Huh?
You must be using those terms in an idiosyncratic way rather than according to standard philosophical definitions.
Whatever.

831 gman  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:46pm

re: #808 Moe Katz

Sharm, send me an example of a thread in which he didn't have a superior grip on the facts and was obfuscating. I will look into it at leisure, not tonight. I haven't read every thread he's been on, and my mind is open.

Just look at any thread revolving around the subject of media bias.

832 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:49pm

re: #817 sadhu

yeah, wrong word I guess

I love the old cartoons...so funny

833 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:29:57pm

re: #820 FurryOldGuyJeans

How does half a person become a teacher?

Worse, half of "countless" is "countless".

834 solomonpanting  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:30:03pm

re: #816 Lincolntf

Nobody could plausibly teach Science without incorporating the fact of evolution.

You still don't get it. It's the insertion of ID that's the problem, not the token reference to evolution.

835 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:30:10pm

re: #823 Killian Bundy

Depends. What's yer context?

836 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:30:29pm

re: #820 FurryOldGuyJeans

How does half a person become a teacher?

Poor Horatio.

837 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:30:35pm

re: #822 Ward Cleaver

It's a stalker blog (it's official name is Little Green Footballs II), mainly run by ex-lizard Rodan.

The moby?!

838 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:30:49pm

re: #814 pingjockey

Evil twin.

839 Karridine  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:30:57pm

re: #807 ziggyelman

Zeppo was a handsome, intelligent Straight Man, did the setups for Chico and Groucho, didn't he? How could HE be funny under those circumstances?

/well, I can see SOME humor, but that wasn't the way Marx Bros films were crafted...

840 Moe Katz  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:02pm

re: #806 ploome hineni

I am really surprised to see you say so

What can I say? I was studying his stuff just to learn from it, how to be so effective with so few words.

841 logboy  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:06pm

re: #823 Killian Bundy

/so, if I say I'm going to pray for you, that's an insult?

Only if you pray that I get hemorrhoids and my dog gets run over.

842 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:11pm

re: #808 Moe Katz

I didn't realize you were such a fan of the msm. If you don't see how he completely mimics his peers, then I doubt there is anything I can show you to convince you otherwise.

Sure- he has a few good joke, but I bet dan rather could get us all to laugh with a good joke too. Maybe he is dan rather. That would explain the contempt he has for blogs and the owner of this one.

843 BignJames  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:28pm

re: #818 Palandine

Heh. They _do_ know where Thanksgiving dinner comes from, don't they? I love FBV as much as the next girl, but Thanksgiving, for most Americans, consists of one of those birds, roasted or fried.

Mmm, taste the carnage... ;)


Gonna smoke the bird, myself.

844 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:28pm

re: #829 Ward Cleaver

You're like the No. 2 cultist. I was reading there this morning.

What?!

I bet it's news to Charles, too.

Honestly, that's just dumb.

845 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:29pm

By the way, I'm blogging tonight from a computer running a pre-beta version of Windows 7. So far, so good.

846 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:31:50pm

re: #822 Ward Cleaver
Wow. I've been lurking for a couple years before catching registration last year, so this Rodan must have a huge grudge cause I don't remember it.

847 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:03pm

re: #816 Lincolntf

Yep- undermining the First Amendment is "regrettable".

What an understatement.

848 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:13pm

re: #837 Dianna

The moby?!

Yup. It's funny.

849 coldwarrior  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:18pm

re: #792 Ward Cleaver

Steelers win, 27-10.

:)

and i am happy.

850 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:21pm

re: #841 logboy

Only if you pray that I get hemorrhoids and my dog gets run over.

Is it OK to pray for your hemorrhoids to be run over?

/No, I guess that would be wrong.

//Nevermind.

851 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:37pm

re: #846 pingjockey

I don't remember him either. He probably wasn't here very long.

852 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:42pm

re: #845 Ward Cleaver

By the way, I'm blogging tonight from a computer running a pre-beta version of Windows 7. So far, so good.

Yuck, more money needed by the Evil Empire.

853 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:32:46pm

re: #849 coldwarrior

:)

and i am happy.

Me too.

GO STILLERS!

854 OldLineTexan  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:05pm

re: #843 BignJames

Gonna smoke the bird, myself.

Must be a hell of a rolling paper.

How do you light it?

855 theparson  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:05pm

re: #813 Dianna

A pagan. Or, more properly, "one who lives on a heath and isn't a Christian."

I don't actually live on a heath, mind you.

If my questions irritate you just let me know. I'm curious.
Is it a religion or a mindset or what?

856 greenmiler  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:07pm

re: #821 pingjockey

Yeah, he's gone. They were going to shoot some of his ashes into orbit and the damn rocket malfunctioned!


Thats right, he didn't make it! He had to of been pissed at the incompetents

857 Dianna  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:21pm

re: #826 Opilio

I thought you were the pagan... I need a new scorecard.

/ or does pagan == heathen

Pagan more-or-less equals heathen.

"pagan" also refers to farmers, countrymen, hicks. It's a denigrating term, as is "heathen."

858 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:30pm

re: #852 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yuck, more money needed by the Evil Empire.

Well, I did install Firefox, rather than use IE8.

859 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:55pm

re: #823 Killian Bundy

/so, if I say I'm going to pray for you, that's an insult?

The way bitterclinger was arrogantly and self righteously stating he was going to 'pray' for the, in his eyes, 'pagan's', it could be construed exactly how Killgore put it. It is pretty condescending and insulting in the context used.

I doubt Killgore has anything against all prayer...but I can't speak for him.

860 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:33:59pm

re: #843 BignJames

Gonna smoke the bird, myself.

It's a bomber!

861 Wishing  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:34:24pm

'Evening, lizards.
Have the world's woes been resolved yet? Do you have a plan?
Just kiddin.

862 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:34:27pm

re: #816 Lincolntf

So would you be comfortable with Islam and the Islamic story of Creation being taught in schools, especially as science? I know I sure wouldn't.

863 Opilio  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:34:42pm

re: #810 greenmiler

Aye, but he's dead I think; I know Bones is

Aye, Scotty's left the mortal plane.

But for a few minutes in 2007, some of James Doohan's cremated remains made it into space.

864 pingjockey  Thu, Nov 20, 2008 8:34:58pm