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Kuwaiti Cleric: 'Death is Too Good for Homosexuals'

Video | Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:19:05 pm PST

Kuwait’s Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi must be a lot of fun at parties. (Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)

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Following are excerpts from an interview with Kuwaiti Islamist Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi, which aired on Al-Rai TV on December 10, 2007:

Moderator: Doctors and professionals recommend that people should relax. Modern experiments and studies have proven that the best method or relaxation is massage. No reasonable person would deny this, but some people, who abuse this profession, have done it a great disservice, by turning it from a form of mental and physical relaxation into an immoral and homosexual act, which might lead to the contraction of various STDs. What are the secret acts performed behind closed doors? How can we protect our children from such homosexual and foreign acts? What role should the security forces and religious clerics play in the battle against this phenomenon? How can the owners of massage parlors and health centers possibly agree to the turning of their parlors into dens of prostitution and abomination?
[...]
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: There are private parts that no one is allowed to see – both in the case of men and of women. One must adhere to this from the perspective of Islamic law. Unfortunately, I’ve been told that some people show up in their “birthday suits,” and the massage commences. This is forbidden in Islamic law, and should be legally prohibited. Such acts should not be done in Islamic societies.
[...]
Unfortunately, 85-90% of what happens in these parlors is homosexual. Very few are the people who adhere to the religious and legal requirements. The basic problem is the foreign workers. Most foreign workers who serve as masseurs are, unfortunately, either “third gender” or sexually perverse and morally deviant.
[...]
Most of these parlors are full of homosexuals. The people working there are also homosexuals, I’m sad to say.
[...]
Any Kuwaiti who goes to one of these parlors, and sees these homosexuals or encounters very sinful and deviant acts should file a complaint with the security agencies. These people should be held accountable.
Moderator: If everyone acted this way, we could really eradicate this phenomenon.
[...]
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: A man is not allowed to expose the area between his navel and his knees. Nobody is allowed to see his private parts. Someone who goes to these parlors and exposes this part of his body is, undoubtedly, committing a crime both in terms of the shari’a and the law, and he should be punished for this. The same goes for women. I don’t know if there are massage parlors for women...
Moderator: Yes, there are.
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: Then the catastrophe is even greater, because just like there is a “third gender,” there might be a “fourth gender” as well... Imagine that a woman gets undressed, and in walks a butch masseuse, who gets on with it – this might cause many moral problems.
[...]
Below my office, there is a parlor – not a massage parlor – not a massage parlor, but a hair salon. I saw some of the owners when I was driving by – they looked really weird. You couldn’t tell whether they were men or women. In addition, what they do there is also perverse. They put up their hair in a very peculiar and queer way...
Moderator: Spiky... spiky...
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: What is it called?
Moderator: Spiky.
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: Spiky is one example.
[...]
Article 203 of the Penal Code says: “Whoever founds an establishment for iniquity or prostitution, or who assists in any way in its foundation or management, will be sentenced to life imprisonment, and if he does it again – he will be sentenced to death.” This is stated in the man-made law. Religious law supports this, because this constitutes “spreading corruption in the land.”
Moderator: True.
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: When a person commits an abominable act, like homosexuality, for example, or lesbianism, in the case of women’s parlors – this constitutes “spreading corruption in the land,” and should be punished by death.
[...]
Moderator: Other than life imprisonment and the death sentence, what can be done?
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: According to Islamic law, a homosexual should be thrown from a tall building.
Moderator: What would you do with them?
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: To be honest, death is too good for them. They should be gathered in a public place, where they would be flogged and tortured, so the truth about these people is made clear and they serve as a lesson to others, because they are an epidemic plaguing society.

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1 Dasher  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:19:49pm

Tolerance ...

2 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:20:17pm

How many tall buildings did they have back in old Mohammad's time?

3 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:21:02pm

Aaah, more from the "religion of pieces"

4 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:21:22pm

re: #1 Dasher

Tolerance ...

5 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:21:51pm

So, don't kill them then....

6 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:21:57pm

Weird, the text of my message disappeared.

7 davinvalkri  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:22:14pm

And homosexuals are complaining about laws over here? Do you see anyone respectable calling for homosexuals to be defenestrated and killed around these parts? They oughta be calling for invasion or something. Wow.

8 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:22:21pm

Hey.. Michael Jackson became a Muslim recently. Wonder what they think of Pedophiles?

9 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:22:36pm

It is not universally agreed among Ulema that they should be thrown from a high place. Others believe that they should have a wall pushed over onto them.

10 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:22:53pm
because just like there is a “third gender,” there might be a “fourth gender” as well

It a Zionist conspiracy!

11 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:23:22pm

Is it just me or does that dude look like some sort of primate?

12 baconeatingkaffir  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:23:23pm

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones however people who live in the Ulema can bury victims and then throw stones.

13 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:23:40pm

Hooray for Prop 8!
/

14 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:24:54pm

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Is it just me or does that dude look like some sort of primate?

Hmmmmm, what do you think....

15 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:25:09pm

re: #12 baconeatingkaffir

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones however people who live in the Ulema can bury victims and then throw stones.

The Ummah (not to be confused with Thurman)

16 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:25:09pm

Is it wrong that I'm laughing myself silly?

17 davinvalkri  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:25:26pm

"...because just like there is a “third gender,” there might be a “fourth gender” as well..."

Pffffft...LOL. Why are they taken so seriously?!

18 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:25:31pm

re: #14 jcm

Hmmmmm, what do you think....

Bad, JCM, very bad......

19 Bill Dalasio  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:27:15pm

re: #8 baconeatingkaffir

Hey.. Michael Jackson became a Muslim recently. Wonder what they think of Pedophiles?

Just following the Prophet's example.

20 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:27:29pm

Spiky... spiky...

21 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:27:44pm

I thought there were no gays in the muslim world?

22 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:27:47pm
because this constitutes “spreading corruption in the land.”

So vague it's scary.

23 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:28:21pm

re: #18 jcm

Bad, JCM, very bad......

It takes one to nose one.
(-:

24 politicalinsomniac  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:28:42pm

Well, yes - this guy wants to throw homosexuals off tall buildings.

But what I really want to know is - where does he stand on Prop 8?

25 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:28:47pm
They should be gathered in a public place, where they would be flogged and tortured,

Well, now that's a sobering thought.

26 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:29:10pm

Phelps would be right at home.

27 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:29:18pm

re: #23 pre-Boomer Marine brat

MWAH!

28 tradewind  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:29:24pm

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Dude, he is some sort of primate.
Just saying.
But I know what you mean.

29 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:29:59pm
Most of these parlors are full of homosexuals. The people working there are also homosexuals, I’m sad to say.

And they know this how...?

30 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:30:07pm

re: #15 Moe Katz

The Ummah (not to be confused with Thurman)

(DAMN! It's too early in the thread to start punning!)

31 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:30:30pm
A man is not allowed to expose the area between his navel and his knees.

Now, that's just strange.

32 Bill Dalasio  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:30:43pm
Moderator: Spiky... spiky...
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: What is it called?
Moderator: Spiky.
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: Spiky is one example.

The horrors of spiky hair! Ahhhh!

33 Jimmah  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:30:47pm

It's...

Can you guess?

34 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:30:56pm

re: #23 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It takes one to nose one.
(-:

Eye resemble that remark!

35 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:31:31pm

re: #29 Wisenheimer

And they know this how...?

He's in "the closet", no doubt! Perhaps his boyfriend cheated on him and this is his revenge?

36 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:31:34pm

Well it sure looks like the Jets are gonna upset Tennessee. Go Jets. 27-6

37 pre-Boomer's SockPuppy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:32:42pm

re: #27 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

YIKES!

38 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:33:00pm

re: #32 Bill Dalasio

The horrors of spiky hair! Ahhhh!

A fatwah on mousse?

39 davinvalkri  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:33:19pm

re: #32 Bill Dalasio

No love for the Simpsons in Kuwait, apparently.

And any anime characters who take a wrong flight at Tokyo and end up there will probably be stoned within ten seconds of getting off the plane. Hell some of them have spiky hair AND are canonically homosexual! The horror! Ha ha ha...

40 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:33:27pm

re: #31 MandyManners

Now, that's just strange.

When you repress people enough, it's expected that they would give way to "deviancy".

41 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:33:57pm

re: #36 Nevergiveup

Well it sure looks like the Jets are gonna upset Tennessee. Go Jets. 27-6

In WA we had the 1st Crapple Cup (sometimes called the 101st Apple Cup)

The 101st Apple Cup was as good as bad football gets: Earnest as it was inept, taut as it was sloppy, inexplicable as it was obvious, and as ecstatic for one side as it was agonizing for the other.
42 Arbalest  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:34:23pm

"Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: To be honest, death is too good for them. They should be gathered in a public place, where they would be flogged and tortured, so the truth about these people is made clear and they serve as a lesson to others, because they are an epidemic plaguing society."

So Al-'Inzi is calling for Folsom Street and Dore Alley Fairs to be instituted in Kuwait? Freaky.

I bet if we investigate Al-"Inzi's past, we'll find a few items that brand him a hypocrite.

43 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:34:34pm

re: #40 Sharmuta

When you repress people enough, it's expected that they would give way to "deviancy".

Are men forbiden from wearing swim trunks in Kuwait?

44 Truck Monkey  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:34:48pm

re: #14 jcm

Hmmmmm, what do you think....

The Penis Nosed Gibbon I believe.

45 Paul  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:34:49pm
There are private parts that no one is allowed to see.

So if you show off your private parts you deserve corporal punishment.

46 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:01pm
In addition, what they do there is also perverse. They put up their hair in a very peculiar and queer way...
Moderator: Spiky... spiky...
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: What is it called?
Moderator: Spiky.
Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: Spiky is one example.

Spiky hair is perverse?

Good grief.

47 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:16pm

re: #14 jcm

Hmmmmm, what do you think....

That's the guy!

48 Jimmah  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:31pm

So many episodes of season 1 of "24" to watch, so few hours in the day. Later...

49 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:42pm

re: #29 Wisenheimer

And they know this how...?

good point.

50 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:46pm

re: #34 jcm

Eye resemble that remark!

Eye ear that!

51 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:51pm

re: #44 Truck Monkey

The Penis Nosed Gibbon I believe.

I know that's what the Mullah is, what's the monkey's name?
/

52 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:35:57pm

Kuwait, where "gay" means "happy", and "getting stoned" does not mean bong hits!

53 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:36:44pm

re: #36 Nevergiveup

Well it sure looks like the Jets are gonna upset Tennessee. Go Jets. 27-6

Well, I picked the Titans to win (Jets to cover), but I can't complain. Jets look really good. NY-NY Super Bowl talk will really heat up now.

54 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:02pm

re: #45 Paul

So if you show off your private parts you deserve corporal punishment.

Well some people just shouldn't even consider showing off theirs?

55 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:06pm

re: #50 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Eye ear that!

Off the top of my head, ey've had enough and will not tolerate anymore by the hair of my chinny chin chin!

56 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:28pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Are men forbiden from wearing swim trunks in Kuwait?

Like with most things islam, I bet there's a loophole. They like to cherry pick to justify whatever it is they're trying to justify at that moment.

57 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:29pm

re: #45 Paul

So if you show off your private parts you deserve corporal punishment.

In general, it's a major offense.

58 sbvft contributor  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:49pm

re: #33 Jimmah

It's...

Can you guess?

Written & composed by Paul Schaffer. WHo knew?

59 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:52pm
They put up their hair in a very peculiar and queer way...

HAIR RAYS!

60 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:37:54pm

re: #53 JammieWearingFool

Will your Giants be nice to the "MIGHTY" Cardinals today? We actually get to watch the home games on TV now, looking forward to it!

61 Maui Girl  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:38:02pm

I guess gays shouldn't complain so much about living in a Judeo-Christian founded country.

62 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:38:08pm

re: #16 MandyManners

Is it wrong that I'm laughing myself silly?

Oh, good, glad I'm not the only one. These people are sick idiots, but the part about it being wrong for a man to show anything between his navel and his knees, and this:

Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: Then the catastrophe is even greater, because just like there is a “third gender,” there might be a “fourth gender” as well... Imagine that a woman gets undressed, and in walks a butch masseuse, who gets on with it – this might cause many moral problems.

just cracked me up.

But the last part just made me ill. What violent and hideous people these "men" are! /spit

63 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:38:28pm

Funny, the anti-Prop 8 protestors have a thing for Mormons but haven't bothered any mosques...

64 rawmuse  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:38:41pm

That is harsh.

65 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:39:23pm

re: #55 jcm

Off the top of my head, ey've had enough and will not tolerate anymore by the hair of my chinny chin chin!

You're saying you didn't need it?
Well, at least you didn't need me!
WHEW!

66 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:39:26pm
Imagine that a woman gets undressed, and in walks a butch masseuse, who gets on with it – this might cause many moral problems.

Not to mention bandwith problems for the live feed...

67 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:39:34pm

re: #63 Spiny Norman

Funny, the anti-Prop 8 protestors have a thing for Mormons but haven't bothered any mosques...

Mormon's haven't chopped off any heads or blown up any planes or buildings lately...

68 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:39:55pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

Like with most things islam, I bet there's a loophole. They like to cherry pick to justify whatever it is they're trying to justify at that moment.

And, it always comes out in favor of men.

69 Maui Girl  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:10pm

re: #8 baconeatingkaffir

Mo was a pedofile. That's okay in their book.

70 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:14pm

re: #66 experiencedtraveller

Not to mention bandwith problems for the live feed...

And the $39.99 per month....not that I would know about that sort of thing.

71 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:16pm

re: #57 pre-Boomer Marine brat

In general, it's a major offense.

That was a a private comment.

72 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:31pm

re: #68 MandyManners

And, it always comes out in favor of men.

Of course!

73 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:44pm

re: #62 gop_patriot

just cracked me up.

But the last part just made me ill. What violent and hideous people these "men" are! /spit

Makes me glad I live in America.

74 sbvft contributor  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:56pm

re: #63 Spiny Norman

Funny, the anti-Prop 8 protestors have a thing for Mormons but haven't bothered any mosques...

They also haven't had any rallies protesting the vote in South Central. Gee - why is that?

75 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:57pm

re: #68 MandyManners

And, it always comes out in favor of men.

Well even a broke clock is right 2 tiimes a day?
/ducking

76 gymnast  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:40:57pm

Cut the guy some slack, after all he seems to be about as well grounded as the average HufPo or Kos intellectual.

77 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:41:14pm

re: #62 gop_patriot

Oh, good, glad I'm not the only one. These people are sick idiots, but the part about it being wrong for a man to show anything between his navel and his knees, and this:

Dr. Sa’d Al-’Inzi: Then the catastrophe is even greater, because just like there is a “third gender,” there might be a “fourth gender” as well... Imagine that a woman gets undressed, and in walks a butch masseuse, who gets on with it – this might cause many moral problems.

just cracked me up.

I'll bet he wants to watch.

Dr. Sa'd, is there anything else you'd like to discuss?

/freud

78 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:41:18pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Hooray for Prop 8!
/

I feel myself sometimes perfectly willing to support or oppose whatever it takes for the sheer pleasure of spitting in the eye of people like these clowns.

79 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:41:50pm

re: #71 jcm

That was a a private comment.

I thought it was pretty general.

80 sadhu  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:42:09pm

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

Is it just me or does that dude look like some sort of primate?

first time on two feet

81 Christene  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:42:29pm

So back in the day when someone wrote islamic law, just how many tall buildings could they have had? How about a tall pyramid?
On a side note, can this guy walk the streets of S.F proclaiming this? That would so be the movie of the week. : o )
*just saying*

82 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:42:34pm

I say we deploy Code Pink and the Prop 8 protesters over there asap. We could all sit back and watch this guys head explode.

83 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:43:07pm

re: #79 MandyManners

I thought it was pretty general.

Seems we have a major disagreement.

84 MohawkDaddy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:43:37pm

Huh? Would that rule have applied to Arafat?

85 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:43:43pm

re: #82 Desert Dog

I say we deploy Code Pink and the Prop 8 protesters over there asap. We could all sit back and watch this guys head explode.

Air drop him into Folsom street.........

86 7WTC-BALLER  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:44:08pm

Testing out my avatar uplaod skills.

87 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:44:19pm

re: #84 MohawkDaddy

Huh? Would that rule have applied to Arafat?

Arafat play Tiger and Hyena, completely different thing and not applicable.

88 gop_patriot  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:44:30pm

re: #77 Spiny Norman

I'll bet he wants to watch.

Dr. Sa'd, is there anything else you'd like to discuss?

/freud

Exactly!

89 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:44:34pm

re: #83 jcm

Seems we have a major disagreement.

Oh no PUNS! GROAN

90 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:44:57pm

So, it's just a coincidence that minarettes are so... phallic?

91 WitchDoctor  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:45:14pm

re: #41 jcm

COUGARS RULE! MUHAHAHA! (ok, they suck, but at least they beat up the dawgs) HUCK THE FUSKIES!

Done now, just savoring a rare Coug win.

Actual on-topic thought: just imagine the percentage of leftie blogs that would be certain we agree with this freak from Kuwait. Sad.

92 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:45:26pm

re: #84 MohawkDaddy

Huh? Would that rule have applied to Arafat?

Well he was definitely someone who should never show his privates to anyone with sight.

93 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:45:51pm

re: #86 7WTC-BALLER

Testing out my avatar uplaod skills.

Welcome, your nic has me curious.
You worked at Moody's in WTC7 on 9/11?

94 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:46:06pm

re: #67 Desert Dog

Mormon's haven't chopped off any heads or blown up any planes or buildings lately...

There is that...

re: #74 sbvft contributor

They also haven't had any rallies protesting the vote in South Central. Gee - why is that?

Or Oakland. Well, now, that must be a bit of a puzzle for them: while a majority of blacks and Hispanics voted in favor of Prop 8, they are also fellow "oppressed" minorities and the protestors can't be seen as possibly racist, now can they?

95 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:46:12pm

I'm so sick of these 4th century primates and their stupid inbred terror/shame about sexuality.

96 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:46:16pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Hooray for Prop 8!
/

/just like 29 other States, voting rules

97 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:46:33pm

Oops, minarets.

98 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:47:23pm

re: #90 Wisenheimer

So, it's just a coincidence that minarettes are so... phallic?

The domes look like giant boobs.

99 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:48:08pm

Whenever a religion is tied up within a myriad of (for emphasis, capital-L) Laws, it is ripe for disaster. Such has happened to Islam. You get self-righteous twits like this one, zillions of them.

100 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:48:28pm

re: #91 WitchDoctor

COUGARS RULE! MUHAHAHA! (ok, they suck, but at least they beat up the dawgs) HUCK THE FUSKIES!

Done now, just savoring a rare Coug win.

Actual on-topic thought: just imagine the percentage of leftie blogs that would be certain we agree with this freak from Kuwait. Sad.

WA sports are an embarrassment this year. College football? 2 wins between two teams, both wins are the Cougars to add insult to injury. Baseball? 101.... loses, Pro football, don't ask. Basketball.... wait our basketball team moved to Oklahoma!

101 Daisy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:48:49pm

"Unfortunately, I’ve been told that some people show up in their “birthday suits,” and the massage commences. "

It always fascinates me how they manage to hear this stuff "secondhand".

102 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:49:37pm
103 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:50:38pm

re: #101 Daisy

"Unfortunately, I’ve been told that some people show up in their “birthday suits,” and the massage commences. "

It always fascinates me how they manage to hear this stuff "secondhand".

It's only secondhand of they are left handed?

104 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:51:12pm

re: #101 Daisy

"Unfortunately, I’ve been told that some people show up in their “birthday suits,” and the massage commences. "

It always fascinates me how they manage to hear this stuff "secondhand".

Um, yeah, his dear friend told him about it...

105 Paul  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:51:13pm

Why do I get the impression that Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi is only lightly tethered to planet Earth? The disturbing thing is this loon is on TV, babbling incoherently, while thousands of Muslims are watching and nodding in agreement.

106 twincitiesgirl  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:52:07pm

I think the guy in the sheet is protesting a little too vehemently--makes me wonder why. The part about the hairstyles was hilarious--spiky hair is evil? Who knew?

When my oldest daughter was 4 she gave my son age 2, a very spiky, punky hair cut. I opened her bedroom door early one morning and there he was seated in the big bird chair, towel draped around his shoulders, his blue eyes wide with the wonder of it all.

Needless to say we put the crayola scissors out of reach after that nightmare. Unfortunately, not before she had managed to cut her own hair to chin length on two sides--the back was still very long. I cried over that one.

107 Nevergiveup  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:52:35pm

re: #105 Paul

Why do I get the impression that Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi is only lightly tethered to planet Earth? The disturbing thing is this loon is on TV, babbling incoherently, while thousands of Muslims are watching and nodding in agreement.

It's kinda like listening to our State Department?

108 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:53:21pm

"Progressives" and Mideast Arab/Islamics would seem to have nothing in common- if both didn't hate Israel.

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:54:04pm

LGF post, August 23, 2007:
“When a crow flies over Kandahar, he only flaps one wing. With the other wing he covers his tail.”

Holiness abounds in Islam. They must be so certain that Allah is pleased.

110 Opilio  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:54:09pm
Whoever founds an establishment for iniquity or prostitution, or who assists in any way in its foundation or management, will be sentenced to life imprisonment, and if he does it again – he will be sentenced to death.”

How exactly do you do it again, if you're in prison for life?

Do the Kuwaitis have revolving doors on their prisons too?

111 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:54:44pm

re: #98 MandyManners

The domes look like giant boobs.

Ha! I'm thinking of the scene in Naked Gun when Frank can't get his mind off of Jane.

112 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:55:00pm

re: #105 Paul

Why do I get the impression that Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi is only lightly tethered to planet Earth? The disturbing thing is this loon is on TV, babbling incoherently, while thousands of Muslims are watching and nodding in agreement.

We have our Fred Phelps, but when he shows up on the TV, millions of us yell at him, telling him to just shut the f*ck up already.

113 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:55:20pm

re: #105 Paul

Why do I get the impression that Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi is only lightly tethered to planet Earth? The disturbing thing is this loon is on TV, babbling incoherently, while thousands of Muslims are watching and nodding in agreement.

A peek into Mo's mind.

114 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:55:28pm

I would guess that homosexuality is very common in the muslim world, especially the Arab world. Young men cannot have any contact with young ladies. They have to do something with all those hormones. Repressing the unrepressible rarely works. Keep living in that 7th Century Fantasyland, Achmed.....but you have millions of "that kind" in your midst. Better get used to it! You cannot stone and kill them all

115 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:55:50pm

I'm not going to read the entire lengthy rant.

I'm waiting for something shorter to read- like a sentence or two listing who they don't want to murder.

116 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:55:51pm

I wouldn't recommend unnecessary loitering on sidewalks in front of tall buildings in Kuwait.

117 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:56:14pm

So what do you do about homophobia among Muslim immigrants in western societies? What kind of solutions are non-fascist?

118 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:56:14pm

re: #108 Opinionated

"Progressives" and Mideast Arab/Islamics would seem to have nothing in common- if both didn't hate Israel.

They have a core value in common.

They hate individual liberty. Both want to control the individual from a central source. The Islamists the control is religion/social, the leftists it's economic/social. Hence the reluctance on the left to see the Islamist as a clear enemy.

119 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:56:29pm

re: #83 jcm

Seems kinda petty to me.

;-)

120 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:56:31pm

re: #111 Wisenheimer

Ha! I'm thinking of the scene in Naked Gun when Frank can't get his mind off of Jane.

Boobs everywhere?

121 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:56:42pm

re: #114 Desert Dog

I would guess that homosexuality is very common in the muslim world, especially the Arab world.

It is. Especially around Ramadan.

122 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:57:20pm

re: #119 pink freud

Seems kinda petty to me.

;-)

Is that your chief complaint?

123 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:57:38pm

re: #114 Desert Dog

I would guess that homosexuality is very common in the muslim world, especially the Arab world. Young men cannot have any contact with young ladies. They have to do something with all those hormones. Repressing the unrepressible rarely works. Keep living in that 7th Century Fantasyland, Achmed.....but you have millions of "that kind" in your midst. Better get used to it! You cannot stone and kill them all

It isn't so much the pitching Dr. Sa'd has a problem with, I suspect, but the catching.

124 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:57:52pm

re: #114 Desert Dog

I would guess that homosexuality is very common in the muslim world...

See the video linked to via my #109 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mullah Omar tried to stop it.
Heh.

125 Bill Dalasio  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:58:21pm

re: #105 Paul

Why do I get the impression that Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi is only lightly tethered to planet Earth? The disturbing thing is this loon is on TV, babbling incoherently, while thousands of Muslims are watching and nodding in agreement.

Hmmm...so, you're saying he's light on his loafers?

126 Ozymandias  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:58:36pm

my guess is he's got a little fear of heights himself.

127 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:58:55pm

re: #119 pink freud

Seems kinda petty to me.

;-)

Chief(ly), I have to maintain my position.

128 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:59:51pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Is that your chief complaint?

It does contain a colonel of truth.

129 sadhu  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 12:59:58pm

Whenever a left-leaning woman or gay friend starts ranting about oil and the Jews, I remind them of how homosexuals and women are treated in the muslim world. Stops em dead in their tracks every time. Hypocrites. They should be protesting in the streets everyday against this shit.

130 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:00:10pm

re: #127 jcm

Chief(ly), I have to maintain my position.

This is hardly turning out First Class.

131 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:00:35pm

re: #128 pink freud

It does contain a colonel of truth.

you guys are running out of ranks

132 Steffan  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:01:07pm

re: #94 Spiny Norman

Or Oakland. Well, now, that must be a bit of a puzzle for them: while a majority of blacks and Hispanics voted in favor of Prop 8, they are also fellow "oppressed" minorities and the protestors can't be seen as possibly racist, now can they?

The train's already left on that track -- the protesters were yelling nasty racist epithets at a pair of black gays who happened to carrying a "No On 8" sign.

It didn't matter. They were The Enemy.

OT: Obama seems to have thrown the nutroots under the bus.

Barack Obama isn't even President yet, and he's already angering some of his most devoted followers on the party's left wing. This is the mark of what could be a very successful presidency.

This guy is certainly optimistic, isn't he? I wonder where I can get whatever he's smoking....

"With its congressional majority, the Democratic Party has refused to seriously try to end the war, to stop the bailout and to stop the trampling of civil liberties, just to name a few off the top of my head," wrote David Sirota on the popular liberal blog OpenLeft, decrying the serial betrayals of Obama and the congressional Democratic majority. The Democratic Party, he wrote, has "faced no real retribution" for its manifold heresies, something that Sirota believes he and his band of angry bloggers must change. "We better understand why this happened," he fumed.

Allow me to provide an answer. You don't matter.

That the Netroots - the fabled bloggers who, in 2004, carried Howard Dean from being an unknown governor of a small state to a Democratic presidential front-runner - are not the potent political force that the media portrays was confirmed this past week when Senate Democrats resisted their "demand" that Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman be punished for endorsing John McCain for President (Lieberman was reelected as an independent in 2006 and caucuses with the Democrats). Ever since Nov. 4, when Democrats increased their majority beyond the point that Lieberman's allegiance was necessary for them to maintain control over the Senate, punishing Lieberman has been the primary goal of liberal bloggers. For weeks, they pounded their keyboards, huffed and puffed on their Internet radio shows and called on their readers to flood the offices of Democratic senators with phone calls and e-mails demanding that Lieberman be stripped of his chairmanship over the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Yet on Tuesday, Democrats voted an overwhelming 42-to-13 to let Lieberman keep that chairmanship.

"He wasn't sanctioned," seethed Markos Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos. "And Senate Democrats trying to make that claim are dishonestly trying to cover up the extent of their betrayal of the American people's vote for change."

Awwww. My heart fair bleeds for them.... /heh

Go read the whole thing.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:01:07pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Is that your chief complaint?

Stand by, we will marshal our arguments.

134 kcladderman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:01:10pm

re: #131 Desert Dog

you guys are running out of ranks

Lets hope it doesn't get to seaman.

135 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:01:23pm

re: #128 pink freud

It does contain a colonel of truth.

Oooooooooh. You're good.

136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:01:29pm

re: #131 Desert Dog

you guys are running out of ranks

I thought we were getting VERY rank.

137 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:01:52pm

re: #127 jcm

Chief(ly), I have to maintain my position.

Well, you are the specialist.

138 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:03:26pm

re: #134 kcladderman

Lets hope it doesn't get to seaman.

I warrant that we've about hit bottom.

139 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:03:58pm

re: #138 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I warrant that we've about hit bottom.

Dang! i was looking for a way to swab that one in.

140 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:04:06pm

All of these puns are deserving of corporal punishment.

141 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:04:13pm

re: #137 pink freud

Well, you are the specialist.

I think this thread is supposed to be about Islam and homosexuality. So I'm going to have to ask you guys to take your discussion to the rear.

142 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:04:27pm

re: #138 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I warrant that we've about hit bottom.

Bilge rats would know when that happens.....

143 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:04:31pm

re: #140 Wisenheimer
Who wants to go first?

144 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:04:42pm

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Stand by, we will marshal our arguments.

I'll hafta' muster my crack troops.

145 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:04:45pm

re: #117 Moe Katz

So what do you do about homophobia among Muslim immigrants in western societies? What kind of solutions are non-fascist?

There's only so much that can be done to combat bigotry on a personal basis, but what can be done is enforcing the law. We do have discrimination laws already on the books.

146 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:05:00pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think this thread is supposed to be about Islam and homosexuality. So I'm going to have to ask you guys to take your discussion to the rear.

Is that where the seamen are?

147 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:05:08pm

Given the topic of Charles' post, there was only one way for this thread to go ... downhill.

148 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:05:20pm

re: #146 pink freud

Is that where the seamen are?

Oh no I didn't!

149 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:06:08pm

re: #144 MandyManners

I'll hafta' muster my crack troops.

Did you just give us a WAVE?

150 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #131 Desert Dog

you guys are running out of ranks

Aren't you all being a bit petty?

151 Iron Fist  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:06:28pm

But remember, the Religious Right are a greater threat to Liberty than the Muslim radicals. Indeed, the Religious Right are the American Taliban. look at how they preach about exterminating homosexuals...

They don't? But I thought...

152 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:06:29pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

There's only so much that can be done to combat bigotry on a personal basis, but what can be done is enforcing the law. We do have discrimination laws already on the books.

Right. I haven't been following these threads too closely. Coming from you, I take it that's the party line here at the moment?

153 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:06:43pm

re: #52 Desert Dog

Kuwait, where "gay" means "happy", and "getting stoned" does not mean bong hits!

I've gotten stoned wth gay Kuwaitis.

/and they really don't like the wahabbis.

154 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:06:54pm

re: #149 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you just give us a WAVE?

How about a *WAC*?

155 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:07:04pm

re: #146 pink freud

Is that where the seamen are?

No. It's where the grunts are.

156 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:07:47pm

re: #141 Cognito

I think this thread is supposed to be about Islam and homosexuality. So I'm going to have to ask you guys to take your discussion to the rear.

Hey, Mandy's in with us on this.
I feel safer.
(-:

157 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:07:59pm

I have a religious question for the Dr.

If a Homosexual commits a beautiful act of martyrdom killing thousands of Infidels in a suicide attack- Allah Akbar- what if he wants 72 male virgins for his reward, seeing females would be anything but a reward.

Would Allah refuse to reward the martyr for his good deed?

158 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:08:17pm

re: #132 Steffan

OT: Obama seems to have thrown the nutroots under the bus.

Awwww. My heart fair bleeds for them.... /heh

Like nobody saw that coming.

Heh, indeed.

159 Killian Bundy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:08:39pm

Monkey abuse.

/geez, would it kill you to give him a real Strat?

160 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:08:42pm

re: #152 Moe Katz

Interesting choice of words.

161 Crusty  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:08:56pm

It's a good thing there are no homosexuals in Iran like Ahmadinejad said or else they'd be in a lot of trouble.

162 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:09:10pm

re: #160 Sharmuta

Interesting choice of words.

I try :)

163 n in wi  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:09:19pm

Is this the butt of the joke,or the hole topic

164 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:09:45pm

re: #154 MandyManners

How about a *WAC*?

Sorry, Mandy, I'll have to *BAM* you for that.

(slang from my father's generation ... "Broad-*ss Marine")

165 Wisenheimer  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:10:03pm

re: #157 Opinionated

It is haram to ask such a question.

166 pat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:10:15pm

Apparently this is not considered extremist in the San Fransisco community.
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

167 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:10:26pm

re: #157 Opinionated

I have a religious question for the Dr.

If a Homosexual commits a beautiful act of martyrdom killing thousands of Infidels in a suicide attack- Allah Akbar- what if he wants 72 male virgins for his reward, seeing females would be anything but a reward.

Would Allah refuse to reward the martyr for his good deed?

I am not a Dr., but my opinion is it does not really matter if the homicide bomber is gay or not, they will both end up in hell. They will be the devil's be-atch!

168 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:10:27pm

re: #157 Opinionated

I have a religious question for the Dr.

If a Homosexual commits a beautiful act of martyrdom killing thousands of Infidels in a suicide attack- Allah Akbar- what if he wants 72 male virgins for his reward, seeing females would be anything but a reward.

Would Allah refuse to reward the martyr for his good deed?

Enturbulation! Enturbulation!

Bad Opinionated!

/scientology security team

169 shiplord kirel  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:10:33pm

Now we know why they're building all those luridly ostentatious skyscrapers in Dubai.....

170 Sharmuta  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:11:04pm

re: #162 Moe Katz

If you say so.

171 Spiny Norman  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:11:38pm

re: #166 pat

Apparently this is not considered extremist in the San Fransisco community.
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

The QFP morons are the walking definition of "clueless".

172 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:11:53pm

Interesting that, according to this cleric, homosexuals are to be tossed from a tall building.

What, then, is the punishment for tossing them from a short building?

We've got to maintain order, after all.

173 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:11:55pm

re: #157 Opinionated

I have a religious question for the Dr.

If a Homosexual commits a beautiful act of martyrdom killing thousands of Infidels in a suicide attack- Allah Akbar- what if he wants 72 male virgins for his reward, seeing females would be anything but a reward.

Would Allah refuse to reward the martyr for his good deed?

What a conundrum!

174 SFGoth  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:12:20pm

"People" who look like this atavistic zoo showpiece shouldn't be calling Jews the sons of apes.

175 Steffan  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:12:31pm

re: #105 Paul

Why do I get the impression that Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi is only lightly tethered to planet Earth? The disturbing thing is this loon is on TV, babbling incoherently, while thousands of Muslims are watching and nodding in agreement.

That's why the Arab world is tertiary at best if you don't include their oil resources. The dictators and imams like to keep the proletariat as ignorant of the real world as possible, because an educated people would see through the BS they're flinging.

This may change in the next few years. Life in Iraq is improving exponentially, the Iranian people are increasingly unhappy with the mullahs, and AQ has been sidelined, perhaps permanently (we have yet to see what The One will do about the ME).

Were it not for the oil and our ties to Israel, I think we would likely leave them to stew in their own juices.

176 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:12:48pm

re: #164 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry, Mandy, I'll have to *BAM* you for that.

(slang from my father's generation ... "Broad-*ss Marine")

I'v heard it's verboten in today's USMC.

177 Steffan  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:14:13pm

re: #110 Opilio

Gotti didn't seem to that that many problems running his "business" from the Big House.

178 Outrider  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:14:59pm
“Whoever founds an establishment for iniquity or prostitution, or who assists in any way in its foundation or management, will be sentenced to life imprisonment, and if he does it again – he will be sentenced to death.”

They have establishments for iniquity or prostitution in their prisons? A person would think they could control what goes on behind bars-given the tight control they attempt to maintain on the streets.

179 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:15:13pm

re: #176 MandyManners

I'v heard it's verboten in today's USMC.

Oh, probably IS!

My Dad joined in '39, retired in '64. He wsn't a profane man, in any sense of the word, but his day was a whole different ... millennia!

180 Earl  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:15:19pm

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

You are correct. These mullah-chimpie-thingies inevitably have a simian look to them. Of course, what courses out of their mouths makes the Great Apes appear positively Socratic...

181 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:15:24pm

re: #172 Cognito

Interesting that, according to this cleric, homosexuals are to be tossed from a tall building.

What, then, is the punishment for tossing them from a short building?

We've got to maintain order, after all.

Isn't this supposed to be based on the Quran?

How could 'ole Mo' the Pedophile and his henchmen tossed people from tall buildings? Those weren't exactly common in 8th century Medina.

182 Shug  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:15:29pm

In this addition of Ask the Imam, we ask Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi an important marital question

Ask the Imam : Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi , what is the best way to help your wife reach orgasm?

Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi : This is not important

183 bosforus  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:16:45pm
so the truth about these people is made clear and they serve as a lesson to others

To what truth is he referring?

184 Outrider  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:17:04pm

re: #175 Steffan

That's why the Arab world is tertiary at best if you don't include their oil resources. The dictators and imams like to keep the proletariat as ignorant of the real world as possible, because an educated people would see through the BS they're flinging.

This may change in the next few years. Life in Iraq is improving exponentially, the Iranian people are increasingly unhappy with the mullahs, and AQ has been sidelined, perhaps permanently (we have yet to see what The One will do about the ME).

Were it not for the oil and our ties to Israel, I think we would likely leave them to stew in their own juices.

Someday, no one will need their oil. Then what will they have. Lots of sand. Nothing else.

185 Opinionated  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:17:16pm

re: #173 MandyManners

What a conundrum!

There are no conundrums in Islam. If you can't find the answer in the Koran- well, we will just have to throw you off a tall building.

186 shiplord kirel  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:17:54pm

re: #183 bosforus

To what truth is he referring?

To the truth that a large part of the world's population is batshit crazy, but he doesn't know that.

187 NYCHardhat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:18:05pm

Thrown from a building? I find it funny that the left wing sees George Bush as more of a threat than these guys.

188 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:18:09pm

re: #182 Shug

In this addition of Ask the Imam, we ask Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi an important marital question

Ask the Imam : Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi , what is the best way to help your wife reach orgasm?

Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi : This is not important Excuse me (puzzled) but why would you ever want to try?

An alternate, more nuanced, response.

189 Iron Fist  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:18:26pm

re: #178 Outrider

It helps when you condemn a sizable segment of the population to death. Once you've thrown dude off of a building, he tends not to cause problems in General Population.


By the way, has anybody mentioned Abu Ghraib yet? Torture! America is so much worse than these adherants to the Religion of Peace.

190 NYCHardhat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:18:27pm

re: #186 shiplord kirel

52% to be exact.

191 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:19:16pm

Kuwait’s Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi must be a lot of fun at parties.

For starters - he's gay. But then, he's got some issues with that.

192 Shug  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:20:42pm

Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi , he who protests the Gay man too much, has the largest pink skeleton in his closet.

/The word according to Shug

193 Morganfrost  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:21:39pm

Hmmm.... the guy sure knows alot about what goes on at these gay massage parlors, doesn't he?

194 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:21:41pm

Is Jaunte still around?

In an earlier thread, he posted this site, the "Unity Anti-Fascist Forum".

So I go there, and to view it, one must register with an e-mail address (which I did), a user name (which I selected), and answer an email to verify that your e-mail address exists (which I did).

I have now been informed that my "request" has been denied, for reason "no chance".

And now I can't even pull the site up on my computer.

Really strange.

195 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:22:06pm

re: #192 Shug

Dr. Sa'd Al-'Inzi , he who protests the Gay man too much, has the largest pink skeleton in his closet.

/The word according to Shug

Or, the smallest.

196 NYCHardhat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:23:07pm

re: #193 Morganfrost

Birds of a feather...

198 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:23:51pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Is Jaunte still around?

In an earlier thread, he posted this site, the "Unity Anti-Fascist Forum".

So I go there, and to view it, one must register with an e-mail address (which I did), a user name (which I selected), and answer an email to verify that your e-mail address exists (which I did).

I have now been informed that my "request" has been denied, for reason "no chance".

And now I can't even pull the site up on my computer.

Really strange.

I clicked and got this:

YOU ARE NOT AUTHORISED TO VIEW THIS PAGE

Really friendly.

199 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:24:04pm
According to Islamic law, a homosexual should be thrown from a tall building ...

And they felt the need to build the World's Tallest Building in Dubai, so you know what that means
.
.
.
yes, size does matter!

200 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:24:38pm

re: #198 MandyManners

I clicked and got this:

YOU ARE NOT AUTHORISED TO VIEW THIS PAGE

Really friendly.

yes. What are they hiding?

201 eaglewingz08  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:26:02pm

But his culture is more valid than our culture, right libs? I mean the whole premise of modern liberalism is that western values are infinitely inferior to the culture of non western non christian peoples. So by westerners forcing their gay equality upon people who don't believe it they are acting in an anti democratic and imperialist and hegemonic manner. But can you be anti US, and anti christian pro gay, pro feminist, but act in antidemocrat, imperialistic and hegemonic ways? That is the question.

202 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:26:14pm

re: #197 FrogMarch

Democrats say to Big Auto: "Put on a big phony show for us. But don't worry *wink wink* - we will bail you out anyway. We owe the UAW and we love anti-competitive out of date business models."

Yah sure, just paint the union label on those business jets, for a start.

203 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:28:01pm

re: #200 reine.de.tout

yes. What are they hiding?

Beats me.

204 eaglewingz08  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:28:28pm

Just another question, if you get sentenced to life imprisonment for prostitution, how are you able to become free to commit another such crime to get sentenced to death?

205 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:28:56pm

Good afternoon Lizards..It's less than 4 hours before the Colts play..
What is it with dogs? I've been playing outside with Winston for an hour..
I'm Bushed.. He is just warming up.
brat

206 bosforus  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:29:29pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Is Jaunte still around?

In an earlier thread, he posted this site, the "Unity Anti-Fascist Forum".

So I go there, and to view it, one must register with an e-mail address (which I did), a user name (which I selected), and answer an email to verify that your e-mail address exists (which I did).

I have now been informed that my "request" has been denied, for reason "no chance".

And now I can't even pull the site up on my computer.

Really strange.

Out of curiosity I did some checking of my own and got into the site through this link: [Link: unitywebring.com...]
Then I scrolled through some articles and found out about a leak of BNP members or donors and found they had leaked names, addresses, and email address which have since been loaded onto google maps so you can see where a local BNP member might be in your neighborhood.
BNP Near Me: [Link: www.bnpnearme.co.uk...]
Interesting.

207 green helmet guy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:30:51pm

"Queers for Palestine" should definitely open a Kuwaiti chapter.

208 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:31:56pm

re: #7 davinvalkri

And homosexuals are complaining about laws over here? Do you see anyone respectable calling for homosexuals to be defenestrated and killed around these parts? They oughta be calling for invasion or something. Wow.

The difference tends to be one of degree and not one of essence, unfortunately.

209 jamgarr  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:32:11pm

So, I guess "Prop 8 Kuwait" would fly?

210 jaunte  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:32:20pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Hi reine. I'm still here. I found that site through a web search; I don't know who runs it. This link still works for me:
[Link: www.unitywebring.com...]

211 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:32:36pm

re: #198 MandyManners

I clicked and got this:

YOU ARE NOT AUTHORISED TO VIEW THIS PAGE

Really friendly.

I've seen that sort of language from other, benign sites. "Forbidden page," and so forth. Isn't it something to do with a computer error?

212 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:32:41pm

re: #204 eaglewingz08

Just another question, if you get sentenced to life imprisonment for prostitution, how are you able to become free to commit another such crime to get sentenced to death?

That confused me, too.

213 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:32:43pm

re: #202 itellu3times

Yah sure, just paint the union label on those business jets, for a start.

What's funny too me about the whole corporate jet thing is this:

The CEO get's driven to the airport, he's most likely has a admin riding along shoving papers at him to read or sign, on the airplane there is also a lot of work going on. It's about time management. How many work hours does a CEO spend on the phone at home? How many of those "parties" are to schmooze a big customer or vendor.

I wonder if want the UAW would say if the employees were required to read training manuals on their commutes, take piece work home with them in the evenings, and host corporate events in their homes?

Compare to what the UAW wastes in non-productive paid work hours, a corporate jet is a mere pittance.

214 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:34:51pm

re: #206 bosforus

Out of curiosity I did some checking of my own and got into the site through this link: [Link: unitywebring.com...]
Then I scrolled through some articles and found out about a leak of BNP members or donors and found they had leaked names, addresses, and email address which have since been loaded onto google maps so you can see where a local BNP member might be in your neighborhood.
BNP Near Me: [Link: www.bnpnearme.co.uk...]
Interesting.

They're all over the place!

215 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:35:07pm

re: #213 jcm

Excellent points!

216 HoosierHoops  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:36:34pm

re: #211 Cognito

I've seen that sort of language from other, benign sites. "Forbidden page," and so forth. Isn't it something to do with a computer error?

Sometimes Cog it has to do with firewall rules..Blocking of IP's. Router tables
or server rules, Generally a 404 error means the site doesn't want you there..

217 NYCHardhat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:37:02pm
218 jaunte  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:38:29pm

re: #206 bosforus

The heaviest BNP concentration I can find in that map shows 31 members in one post code in High Beach, Essex. Doesn't look like they're going to overwhelm the vote anywhere, yet.

219 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:38:33pm

re: #217 NYCHardhat

WTF?

Just following the footsteps of 'ole Mo.

220 n in wi  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:39:05pm

re: #213 jcm
Not to mention that the Senators berating them fly around on PUBLICLY funded jets,private or otherwise. A corporation has a least produced some thing that someone else made a voluntary exchange for. Not co-hearsed tax dollars.

221 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:39:27pm

re: #211 Cognito

I've seen that sort of language from other, benign sites. "Forbidden page," and so forth. Isn't it something to do with a computer error?

No.

222 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:39:32pm

I recall a post that Charles had once upon a time that had to do with muslim men having their portraits taken with assorted weapons, women's footwear and lots of makeup.

I've been searching but can't seem to find it.

Anyone? The hypocrisy is simply astonishing but then we knew that about islam didn't we?

223 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:40:02pm

re: #210 jaunte

Hi reine. I'm still here. I found that site through a web search; I don't know who runs it. This link still works for me:
[Link: www.unitywebring.com...]

Here's what I get when I click that link:

An Error Has Occurred!

Error: Banning Notification. Sorry, you are banned from using this forum!

I think I made the grave error of actually trying to "register" with my e-mail address, and now they have blocked me.

224 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:40:58pm

re: #220 n in wi

Not to mention that the Senators berating them fly around on PUBLICLY funded jets,private or otherwise. A corporation has a least produced some thing that someone else made a voluntary exchange for. Not co-hearsed tax dollars.

Question for the Senators; how many junkets have you gone on paid for by corporations and with transportation on corporate jets?

225 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:40:59pm

re: #217 NYCHardhat

WTF?

Secret coded messages are being embedded into child pornographic images, and paedophile websites are being exploited as a secure way of passing information between terrorists.

Good gravy.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:41:02pm

re: #217 NYCHardhat

Barely saw the your link to catch the headline and closed it. Don't doubt it for a second.

227 jaunte  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:41:02pm

re: #223 reine.de.tout

They may be forbidding registration from sites not in the UK.

228 n in wi  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:41:09pm

re: #217 NYCHardhat
A link between Child porn and muslim terrorist. Sounds just like Mo' M.O.

229 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:42:04pm

re: #227 jaunte

They may be forbidding registration from sites not in the UK.

OK. maybe so. That would make a little bit of sense.

230 So?  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:42:27pm

re: #8 baconeatingkaffir

Hey.. Michael Jackson became a Muslim recently. Wonder what they think of Pedophiles?

As long as he bends over 5 times a day, everything is copasetic.

231 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:43:13pm

re: #213 jcm

What's funny too me about the whole corporate jet thing is this:

Well if you try to be *rational* about it, Wagoner is listed as getting $3.3m last year, if he wanted to charter a jet out of his own pocket for the trip, he could have. And if he came with a posse of six to twelve lawyers, flacks, and hairdressers, and the private jet carried them all at no extra cost, it might have cost less than flying them all first-class, certainly, and maybe less than flying them all coach. Especially if you treat the jet as a fixed expense and just look at fuel and variable costs.

No doubt they should have driven from Detroit in a caravan of six year old Aveos.

232 jaunte  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:43:44pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

I'm guessing, but that would be a way of restricting their discussion to those most affected, without having to actively strain out the "outside agitators."

233 Shug  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:44:25pm

re: #8 baconeatingkaffir

Hey.. Michael Jackson became a Muslim recently. Wonder what they think of Pedophiles?

Let's just say, it is now forbidden to draw a cartoon of Jacko

234 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:44:57pm

re: #217 NYCHardhat

WTF?

YERRRRRY interesting (and no, I don't mean it like ...)

Here's a para from the article:
"It is not clear whether the terrorists were more interested in the material for personal gratification or were drawn to child porn networks as a secure means of sending messages. In one case fewer than a dozen images were found; in another, 40,000."

What's interesting is that they would pick this milieu as a communications channel in the first place. IMHO, someone was interested enough in the subject matter to know it existed.

/at a minimum

235 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:45:04pm

re: #233 Shug

Let's just say, it is now forbidden to draw a cartoon of Jacko

I can't wait to see him with a beard.

236 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:45:47pm

re: #231 itellu3times

No doubt they should have driven from Detroit in a caravan of six year old Aveos.

Could we find six running Vegas and Pintos in the country for the trip?

237 itellu3times  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:46:02pm

re: #217 NYCHardhat

WTF?

They were using camel porn, but the CIA kept intercepting the messages.

238 NYCHardhat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:46:27pm

re: #234 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Exactly! Either way, they are batshit.

239 winston06  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:47:35pm

I am no fan of homosexuality but a painful death is good enough for this imbecile Kuwaiti moron

240 J.S.  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:47:35pm

OT
Did anyone catch the latest Doha Debates? The debate question was "This House believes that Gulf Arabs value profit over people". hmmm....I didn't catch who the "moderator" was...It was actually funny -- the "moderator" was some British dude...it was like some revival of colonial times...(I'm accustomed to having a "moderator" intervene to interrupt should a speaker speak too long, or perhaps call a time out -- but not to take sides...this "moderator" not only took sides, but lambasted some -- grilling them mercilessly...Painful to watch...) Anywho, given the stacked audience the outcome was a forgone conclusion -- 75 percent of the audience claimed, "Yeah, Gulf Arabs value profit over people" with 25 percent saying, "no." I don't know, the whole affair struck me as biazarre...most of the Yeah side was clamouring for "What has the Government done for me lately, huh? We're not getting enough free stuff, man." (thumbs down for both sides... that's my verdict.)

241 Outrider  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:48:13pm

re: #231 itellu3times

Well if you try to be *rational* about it, Wagoner is listed as getting $3.3m last year, if he wanted to charter a jet out of his own pocket for the trip, he could have. And if he came with a posse of six to twelve lawyers, flacks, and hairdressers, and the private jet carried them all at no extra cost, it might have cost less than flying them all first-class, certainly, and maybe less than flying them all coach. Especially if you treat the jet as a fixed expense and just look at fuel and variable costs.

No doubt they should have driven from Detroit in a caravan of six year old Aveos.

Given they were called to congress on the spur of the moment, those ticket prices would have been high... unless they managed to get standby. They would be traveling with some staff.

I iagine if one were to compare the costs of five people flying no-notice from Detroit to D.C. the cost of a charter or private jet is quite a bit cheaper than commercial. When you factor in they can still continue work on board the private jet, then fly back with out hotel costs and such?

I have no heartburn with their mode of travel.

When was the last time you saw union officials flying coach?

242 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:48:32pm

re: #208 Salamantis

The difference tends to be one of degree and not one of essence, unfortunately.

Salamantis --- how exactly are homosexuals being legally persecuted here?

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:48:36pm

re: #222 Miss Trixie

I recall a post that Charles had once upon a time that had to do with muslim men having their portraits taken with assorted weapons, women's footwear and lots of makeup.

I've been searching but can't seem to find it.

Anyone? The hypocrisy is simply astonishing but then we knew that about islam didn't we?


See the LGF post linked to in my #109 up-thread

Might that be it?

244 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:49:31pm

re: #233 Shug

Let's just say, it is now forbidden to draw a cartoon of Jacko


Pre plastique or post plastique?

245 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:49:46pm

I haven't heard much in the way of answers to the problem of Islamic values being imported into western societies and the threat posed to gay people. Does everyone agree with Sharmuta that:

"There's only so much that can be done to combat bigotry on a personal basis, but what can be done is enforcing the law. We do have discrimination laws already on the books."?

Is that really all that can be done in a democratic society? Would you be reassured by this if you were gay and concerned about violence?

246 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:50:03pm

re: #234 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YERRRRRY interesting (and no, I don't mean it like ...)

Here's a para from the article:
"It is not clear whether the terrorists were more interested in the material for personal gratification or were drawn to child porn networks as a secure means of sending messages. In one case fewer than a dozen images were found; in another, 40,000."

What's interesting is that they would pick this milieu as a communications channel in the first place. IMHO, someone was interested enough in the subject matter to know it existed.

/at a minimum

Image steganography (embedding a encrypted message in an image) is certainly easy with computers. Unless you had the decode software or work at NSA the message is completely invisible.

247 ciaospirit  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:50:28pm

re: #197 FrogMarch

Democrats say to Big Auto: "Put on a big phony show for us. But don't worry *wink wink* - we will bail you out anyway. We owe the UAW and we love anti-competitive out of date business models."

And Obama the great (noncommital) leader. Make a decision? What? Are you kidding?

While Obama and top aides regularly pressed lawmakers last week to resolve the impasse, he did not advocate a specific solution, according to lawmakers.

On Sunday, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., who has been working to help his state's main industry, called on Obama to become more engaged in the negotiations.

And where were the viable plans from Fannie/Freddie? Didn't require one because the Dems needed the crisis for the Obamunist to win.

With the survival of a major manufacturing at stake, a top adviser to President-elect Barack Obama warned the companies that there is little the government can do without a viable plan to retool and restructure.

248 pat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:50:42pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Afghanistan Taliban pics. Discovered after the invasion. Really creepy. Definitely Homoerotic.

249 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:51:24pm

I think the guy in the picture looks like a monkey.

250 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:51:49pm

re: #232 jaunte

I'm guessing, but that would be a way of restricting their discussion to those most affected, without having to actively strain out the "outside agitators."

Yes, that would indeed make sense.
But now I can't even see anything they've written about or linked to that might be helpful to my understanding of things. That's what I find odd - that when I got there from my computer, I am not allowed to even access the site.

251 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:52:09pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's it! Talk about creepy.

BTW - check my new avatar, guaranteed to erase tose creepy images ... :D

252 Confuzed  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:53:40pm

Can I assume there are no streakers at sporting events?

253 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:53:43pm

re: #204 eaglewingz08

Just another question, if you get sentenced to life imprisonment for prostitution, how are you able to become free to commit another such crime to get sentenced to death?

If they want you to go off the roof, can't they charge you with multiple counts? Then you've got a second conviction, right? I just bet if they want you off the roof, they're gonna get you off the roof.

254 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:53:47pm

re: #249 Ojoe

I think the guy in the picture looks like a monkey.


I think he looks like he got beat up alot in school for being a doofus

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:54:01pm

re: #246 jcm

Image steganography (embedding a encrypted message in an image) is certainly easy with computers. Unless you had the decode software or work at NSA the message is completely invisible.

Yes, but why not do it with LOLcats, for instance? My point was, why did they pick hardcore child p*rn in the first place? Occam's Razor says, it was picked by someone who was familiar with it. That makes a statement about character, not about technology.

256 jaunte  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:54:09pm

re: #250 reine.de.tout

I haven't tried to register. They have 9 links listed on their log-in page, which I'll post here if you like.

257 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:54:24pm

re: #252 Confuzed

Can I assume there are no streakers at sporting events?


There may be, its just that they get shot before they make it to the other side.

258 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:55:28pm

re: #248 pat

The Afghanistan Taliban pics. Discovered after the invasion. Really creepy. Definitely Homoerotic.

I'd love to know the history (origin) of the crow-over-Kandahar saying!

259 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:55:50pm

re: #255 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, but why not do it with LOLcats, for instance? My point was, why did they pick hardcore child p*rn in the first place? Occam's Razor says, it was picked by someone who was familiar with it. That makes a statement about character, not about technology.

Very true.....
Also wouldn't pr0n be more likely to catch the eyes of authorities?

If I'm going to send you secret coded messages I'd want to do it in as innocuous a way possible.

260 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:57:01pm

re: #251 Miss Trixie

That's it! Talk about creepy.

BTW - check my new avatar, guaranteed to erase tose creepy images ... :D

Very sweet!

261 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:57:53pm

re: #251 Miss Trixie

That's it! Talk about creepy.

BTW - check my new avatar, guaranteed to erase tose creepy images ... :D

That causes SEVERE STRESS -- trying to say awwwwww while cackling out loud! Good one! Kudos to rightymouse and to you!

262 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:58:00pm

Well, I'm of to do the week's grocery shopping. I'll be looking forward to reading any constructive suggestions that may be put forward, regardless of who they may be coming from :)

263 J.S.  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:58:04pm

re: #245 Moe Katz

I suspect that if the children are given a public school education, they'll be just like everyone else...they'll be acculturated...(the real problem is with self-imposed segregation, and education in Muslim-only schools, etc.) That's why I believe there needs to be an encouragement and financial support for public schools...as opposed to private religious schools...

264 Ojoe  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:58:29pm

Monkey monkey
Bo bunkey
Banana Fanana
Fo Funky
Me My Mo Monkey
Monkey !

265 FrogMarch  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:58:35pm

re: #202 itellu3times

Yah sure, just paint the union label on those business jets, for a start.

Upper management sucks - add the union bloat, sprinkle some BS government regulations - and presto - a company that can't build a car and make a profit.
/ I know - lets force that horrid combination on Honda and Toyota.


but of course if you make a profit - the democrat party labels you "evil and greedy". but if you don't make a profit - then the government will bail you out with tax payer money.

266 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 1:59:47pm

re: #242 Fearless Fred

Salamantis --- how exactly are homosexuals being legally persecuted here?

Their long term monogamous relationships are being discriminated against vis a vis heterosexual long term monogamous relationships, so long as there are not at least civil union laws on the books that allocate them rights to make medical decisions for their partners, to inherit from them, to enjoy employee spousal benefits, and to have the same tax breaks.

I have three gay cousins in my family - two male and one female. They are all politically conservative, are horrified and appalled at the San Fran type flaunting, hold down good long term jobs, contribute positively to the general communities in which they reside, and cohabit monogamously with long term partners. They are family, I love them, and wish them to have the same rights, freedoms, benefits, and opportunities as I and my fellow straight family members do.

267 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:00:34pm

re: #259 jcm

Very true.....
Also wouldn't pr0n be more likely to catch the eyes of authorities?

If I'm going to send you secret coded messages I'd want to do it in as innocuous a way possible.

Precisely. Who's going to be knee-jerk suspicious of ... say ... LOLcat images, for instance?

The choice of child pr0n was a rather ... er ... SIGNIFICANT Freudian slip.

268 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:01:01pm

re: #245 Moe Katz

I haven't heard much in the way of answers to the problem of Islamic values being imported into western societies and the threat posed . . .

...the threat posed to everyone -- not just gays. Yeah, Bush didn't do very well explaining any of that to us. Thank goodness for LGF.

269 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:01:12pm

In 30 minutes my beloved Calgary Stampeders vie against the Montreal Alouettes to see who goes home with the Grey Cup and I'm so excited.

Be back after the game - time for some pre-game telly.

Go Stamps GO!

/crosses fingers and toes and eyes and heart for a monster victory

270 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:01:37pm

re: #263 J.S.

I suspect that if the children are given a public school education, they'll be just like everyone else...they'll be acculturated...(the real problem is with self-imposed segregation, and education in Muslim-only schools, etc.) That's why I believe there needs to be an encouragement and financial support for public schools...as opposed to private religious schools...

Wouldn't you run into opposition on that from conservatives who want LESS public education and leaving money in people's hands to develop their own educational institutions? Do you really think denominational schools can be discouraged in America?

271 RobCon  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:02:04pm

He's not a Mormon so who cares?

272 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:02:05pm

re: #267 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Precisely. Who's going to be knee-jerk suspicious of ... say ... LOLcat images, for instance?

The choice of child pr0n was a rather ... er ... SIGNIFICANT Freudian slip.

Another theory....
You and are up to something.... we get investigated.. they find pr0n.

Will that be enough to make the investigation stop there? Or would they dig farther?

273 J.S.  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:02:08pm

re: #269 Miss Trixie

What? Thirty minutes? I thought we had another hour..

274 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:03:16pm

re: #269 Miss Trixie

In 30 minutes my beloved Calgary Stampeders vie against the Montreal Alouettes to see who goes home with the Grey Cup and I'm so excited.

Be back after the game - time for some pre-game telly.

Go Stamps GO!

/crosses fingers and toes and eyes and heart for a monster victory


Don't usually watch hockey but the chance to see Montreal get their little hinies kicked is worth turing the tv on. Now if I can just remember where the tv is.

275 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:03:21pm

re: #266 Salamantis

rights to make medical decisions for their partners, to inherit from them, to enjoy employee spousal benefits, and to have the same tax breaks.

The first two are easily remedied: medical power of attorney and wills.

276 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:03:52pm

re: #272 jcm

Another theory....
You and are up to something.... we get investigated.. they find pr0n.

Will that be enough to make the investigation stop there? Or would they dig farther?

Hmmmmmm.

Might be over-thinking it. Also might be a very savvy cover.

Hmmmmmm.

277 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:04:47pm

re: #275 MandyManners

The first two are easily remedied: medical power of attorney and wills.

But why should they have to go through added hassles that straight couples don't? A civil ceremony should automatically confer all these privileges.

278 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:05:25pm

re: #277 Salamantis

But why should they have to go through added hassles that straight couples don't? A civil ceremony should automatically confer all these privileges.

It's a hassle to make a will? Good grief.

279 J.S.  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:05:36pm

re: #270 Moe Katz

I don't consider myself a "conservative." I'm more of an independent...I have more fear for the "voucher" crap (as an end run around public schools) in Canada, than I have in the States...

280 Dustyvet  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:05:43pm

If I where too post what I'm thinking regarding this ass hat, my message would get deleted, and my karma points would drop faster then the Stock Market...so, I'll shud up...:p

281 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:05:48pm

re: #275 MandyManners

The first two are easily remedied: medical power of attorney and wills.

Simple solution but the raving lib gays that want to shove their relationship in your face will not go for it. I have gay friends that are conservative they already have medical power of attorney and their family supports them

282 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:06:00pm

Should mosques be subject to supervision to prevent the incitement of violence toward gays? Is that discriminatory? Is that within acceptable democratic options?

283 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:06:05pm

re: #278 MandyManners

It's a hassle to make a will? Good grief.

Oops! And, a MPOA? You can do either off the Internet.

My own parents have wills.

284 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:06:20pm

re: #215 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Excellent points!

I understand that some insurance companies require company execs to only fly on company jets.

285 Truck Monkey  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:06:54pm

re: #264 Ojoe

Monkey monkey
Bo bunkey
Banana Fanana
Fo Funky
Me My Mo Monkey
Monkey !

Thank you.

286 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:06:59pm

re: #281 Cathypop

Simple solution but the raving lib gays that want to shove their relationship in your face will not go for it. I have gay friends that are conservative they already have medical power of attorney and their family supports them

It's just common sense to have a will and an MPOA if you're not in a marriage.

287 Miss Trixie  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:07:02pm

re: #274 Cathypop

Don't usually watch hockey but the chance to see Montreal get their little hinies kicked is worth turing the tv on. Now if I can just remember where the tv is.

*pssssst*

Not hockey - Canadian football.

CFL


J.S. - Kickoff's at 5:30 unless that's been changed or I'm having a blonde moment ...

288 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:07:19pm

re: #276 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hmmmmmm.

Might be over-thinking it. Also might be a very savvy cover.

Hmmmmmm.

But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

289 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:07:25pm

re: #275 MandyManners

The first two are easily remedied: medical power of attorney and wills.

No, that's not enough.....we need to change our entire society, culture and history to accommodate a very vocal but very small group of people that want more than the rights you and I have.

/

290 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:07:51pm

re: #287 Miss Trixie

*pssssst*

Not hockey - Canadian football.

CFL


J.S. - Kickoff's at 5:30 unless that's been changed or I'm having a blonde moment ...

We are both having a blond moment.

291 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:07:57pm

re: #269 Miss Trixie

Imagine a QB who completed 42 of 63 passes, set a school record by throwing for 595 yards and seven touchdowns, his team scored 68 points and lost by 25 points.

292 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:08:33pm

re: #291 solomonpanting

Imagine a QB who completed 42 of 63 passes, set a school record by throwing for 595 yards and seven touchdowns, his team scored 68 points and lost by 25 points.

A defensive struggle, eh?

293 jiminycricket  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:08:42pm

"I saw some of the owners when I was driving by – they looked really weird"

And this simian looks normal?

294 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:08:52pm

re: #289 Desert Dog

No, that's not enough.....we need to change our entire society, culture and history to accommodate a very vocal but very small group of people that want more than the rights you and I have.

/

Why?

295 Dustyvet  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:03pm

re: #290 Cathypop

We are both having a blond moment.

Wiat till your over 60, then you can have Senior Moments...:)

296 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:34pm

re: #294 Cathypop

precisely, why?

297 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #295 Dustyvet

Wiat till your over 60, then you can have Senior Moments...:)

Already having them at 52

298 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:38pm

re: #289 Desert Dog

No, that's not enough.....we need to change our entire society, culture and history to accommodate a very vocal but very small group of people that want more than the rights you and I have.

/

How do they have more rights than heterosexuals.?

299 boatguy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:40pm

re: #269 Miss Trixie

Miss Trixie is being linguistically racist by hoping the English speaking city wins,Montreal all the way. (That 20 bucks on the favourite speaks a lot too)

300 Dustyvet  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:46pm

re: #295 Dustyvet

Wiat till your over 60, then you can have Senior Moments...:)

Next Easter I get to hide my own eggs...:)

301 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:09:55pm

re: #277 Salamantis

But why should they have to go through added hassles that straight couples don't? A civil ceremony should automatically confer all these privileges.

I work with a man that lives with his girlfriend of 30 years. they have a son, they are for all intents and purposes married, and yet, the same hoops that you claim are a deterrent to gay folk are the hoops these two have to go through.

302 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:10:23pm

re: #300 Dustyvet

Next Easter I get to hide my own eggs...:)

The Easter after you can find them by smell......

303 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:10:36pm

In early US history, the state governments didn't get into recognizing marriages at all. They only began to do so when miscegenation laws were passed outlawing interracial marriage, and were a way of certifying that the people getting married were of the same race. That requirement, needless to say, no longer applies today. But in the interim, other rights and pirivileges have accrued to such state recognition, which, I believe, should equally apply to gay partners in civil unions.

Note that I say civil unions, and not marriages. I am quite okay with the term marriage being reserved for straight couples, so long as preferential legal treatment does not ensue.

304 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:10:50pm

re: #292 Desert Dog

A defensive struggle, eh?

A struggle not to laugh?

305 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:11:16pm

I think a lot of it boils down to whether you can have, in a democratic society, ANY kind of measure vis-a-vis Islam that is asymmetrical - that is, that is specifically aimed at Muslims and potentially discriminatory. The Dutch have rules about what Muslim clergy are allowed to preach at mosques. Is this beyond democratic boundaries?

306 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:11:33pm

re: #278 MandyManners

It's a hassle to make a will? Good grief.

More of a hassle than it is not to have to do so, and for the state to automatically consider you to be the inheritor of your spouse's assets upon their death.

307 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:11:44pm

re: #284 debutaunt

I understand that some insurance companies require company execs to only fly on company jets.

So I have heard too, and it would NOT surprise me.

Back in the '80s IIRC, Arrow Electronics (major wholesaler of electronic parts) lost nearly its entire top management in a fire at a meeting hall. The electronic trade journals had articles, later, regarding insurers beginning to set conditions like you mentioned.

308 Slumbering Behemoth  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:11:52pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

because just like there is a “third gender,” there might be a “fourth gender” as well

It a Zionist conspiracy!

So, wait. Does this mean that if I shake hands with someone who is Jewish, I could end up with extra "doo-dads"?
/

309 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:11:54pm

re: #303 Salamantis

In early US history, the state governments didn't get into recognizing marriages at all.

Got a link?

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:12:46pm

re: #284 debutaunt

I understand that some insurance companies require company execs to only fly on company jets.

Big Private Jet is Ripping Us OFF!

311 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:12:53pm

re: #306 Salamantis

More of a hassle than it is not to have to do so, and for the state to automatically consider you to be the inheritor of your spouse's assets upon their death.

Married couples STILL need wills. Dying intestate is a real bitch.

312 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:13:06pm

re: #298 MandyManners

How do they have more rights than heterosexuals.?


::Devisl advocate::

there is no law that clearly states that a business can not discriminate against a straight white man.

::Devils Advocate::

313 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:13:20pm

re: #301 stonemason

I work with a man that lives with his girlfriend of 30 years. they have a son, they are for all intents and purposes married, and yet, the same hoops that you claim are a deterrent to gay folk are the hoops these two have to go through.

Tell them to get a marriage certificate. I called Scott my husband for 28 years for heath benefit reasons. I will never get his social security benefits because we never got married.

314 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:13:25pm

re: #281 Cathypop

Simple solution but the raving lib gays that want to shove their relationship in your face will not go for it. I have gay friends that are conservative they already have medical power of attorney and their family supports them

People used to say the same thing about blacks and women - that they wanted to force themselves upon unwilling others - when they were campaigning for their own equal rights.

315 Haverwilde  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:13:43pm

re: #286 MandyManners

It's just common sense to have a will and an MPOA if you're not in a marriage.

It is common sense to have wills even if you are married!

316 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:13:59pm

re: #266 Salamantis

Their long term monogamous relationships are being discriminated against vis a vis heterosexual long term monogamous relationships, so long as there are not at least civil union laws on the books that allocate them rights to make medical decisions for their partners, to inherit from them, to enjoy employee spousal benefits, and to have the same tax breaks.


But how is it "legal persecution" of homosexuals that we supported normal 'marriage' for all those ages and even now? I believe all over the country states are passing more and more civil union laws. Whats wrong with that? Seems like pretty quick progress to me. Seems kinda revolutionary to be honest. Here's (below) prominent and current conservative thinking on the matter ... (how's this legal persecution?). I'm sick of being told I'm living in such a terrible place filled with racism and bigotry. I'm not.

Rather than demonizing gay-marriage, conservatives should emphasize the availability of civil unions — and then ask: What exactly is not enough protection in such current contracts, and how can such legal statutes be improved to protect the legal rights of gay couples? Civil unions should be seen as an avant-garde institution for novel times, while traditional marriage is reserved as a retrograde stuffy institution for the hopelessly straight. ~~VDH
317 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:14:33pm

re: #312 stonemason

::Devisl advocate::

there is no law that clearly states that a business can not discriminate against a straight white man.

::Devils Advocate::

Only in Folsom Street.

318 Moe Katz  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:14:49pm

Now I'm REALLY going grocery shopping. Constructive solutions, please.

319 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:15:13pm

re: #289 Desert Dog

No, that's not enough.....we need to change our entire society, culture and history to accommodate a very vocal but very small group of people that want more than the rights you and I have.

/

I don't want to see anyone have more rights; not women, and not men; not blacks, and not whites; not gays, and not straights. I want to see them all have equality of opportunity.

320 lifeofthemind  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:15:15pm

There better be a boob thread coming after this.

321 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:15:33pm

re: #315 Haverwilde

It is common sense to have wills even if you are married!

Yep. Intestacy sucks.

322 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:17pm

re: #288 jcm

But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Now that I have divined how YOUR mind works, I would bring a shotgun to the poison party.

/*grin* ... and now it begins ...

323 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:24pm

bbiab

324 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:39pm

re: #313 Cathypop

We tell them all the time...she will not get his pension either. It is rather silly actually, she is more concerned with what people will say (inter-racial) than with the future. And they both are in their 50's.

325 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:44pm

re: #298 MandyManners

There are no laws preventing them from getting what Salamantis posted in an earlier thread. What the most militant of these folks want is a change in our laws that justifies their lifestyle.

They have the same rights as anyone else right now, so why is that not enough?

326 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:46pm

re: #305 Moe Katz

I think a lot of it boils down to whether you can have, in a democratic society, ANY kind of measure vis-a-vis Islam that is asymmetrical - that is, that is specifically aimed at Muslims and potentially discriminatory. The Dutch have rules about what Muslim clergy are allowed to preach at mosques. Is this beyond democratic boundaries?

The flip side of you question is that our society offers freedom of religion and tolerance to the practice of that religion. But that extension of that liberty is that the religion must also tolerate in return other religious and non-religious view points.

We don't have unfettered freedom, we in reality have liberty, which is, ideally self controlled freedom. Freedom plus responsibility. In this case the freedom comes with the responsibility, the requirement to accommodate within this society other faiths.

When a particular segment of society, irrespective if it's religious, political, or social decides it can violate the rest of society in pursuit of it's specific goals, then I would say use asymmetrical actions would be in order.

327 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:52pm

re: #307 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So I have heard too, and it would NOT surprise me.

Back in the '80s IIRC, Arrow Electronics (major wholesaler of electronic parts) lost nearly its entire top management in a fire at a meeting hall. The electronic trade journals had articles, later, regarding insurers beginning to set conditions like you mentioned.

My SIL can fly commercial, but not on the same plane as others from his company.

328 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:16:54pm

re: #295 Dustyvet

Wiat till your over 60, then you can have Senior Moments...:)

huhhhh?

329 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:17:00pm

re: #301 stonemason

I work with a man that lives with his girlfriend of 30 years. they have a son, they are for all intents and purposes married, and yet, the same hoops that you claim are a deterrent to gay folk are the hoops these two have to go through.

You mean they're not living in a common law marriage state, where such things are automatically conferred after a period of cohabitation (usually much less than 30 years)?

330 Alouette  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:17:04pm

re: #274 Cathypop

Don't usually watch hockey but the chance to see Montreal get their little hinies kicked is worth turing the tv on. Now if I can just remember where the tv is.

Ms. Trixie is talking about Canadian football.

331 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:17:11pm

re: #314 Salamantis

People used to say the same thing about blacks and women - that they wanted to force themselves upon unwilling others - when they were campaigning for their own equal rights.


Okay. So disagree with a lib gay and they scream racist. People are afraid to argue with them because they will make a scene. Blacks and womend campaigning for equal rights never did this.

332 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:18:06pm

re: #320 lifeofthemind

There better be a boob thread coming after this.

I agree

333 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:18:15pm

re: #297 Cathypop

Already having them at 52

You were "worried" about your karma the other day. Looks like you need more. I just up-dinged your comment.

(-:

334 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:18:38pm

re: #322 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was looking at this one last night.

335 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:18:51pm

re: #309 MandyManners

Got a link?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

336 solomonpanting  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:20:14pm

re: #316 Fearless Fred

But how is it "legal persecution" of homosexuals that we supported normal 'marriage' for all those ages and even now? I believe all over the country states are passing more and more civil union laws. Whats wrong with that? Seems like pretty quick progress to me. Seems kinda revolutionary to be honest. Here's (below) prominent and current conservative thinking on the matter ... (how's this legal persecution?). I'm sick of being told I'm living in such a terrible place filled with racism and bigotry. I'm not.

Yep. Thousands of years of civilization's current defintion, one generation calling for an upheavel, and the tradionalists are the radicals.
Another case of a situation being turned on its head.
BBL

337 Macker  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:20:59pm

re: #8 baconeatingkaffir

Just like Mo. He'll fit in just fine with them!

338 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:21:32pm

re: #316 Fearless Fred

But how is it "legal persecution" of homosexuals that we supported normal 'marriage' for all those ages and even now? I believe all over the country states are passing more and more civil union laws. Whats wrong with that? Seems like pretty quick progress to me. Seems kinda revolutionary to be honest. Here's (below) prominent and current conservative thinking on the matter ... (how's this legal persecution?). I'm sick of being told I'm living in such a terrible place filled with racism and bigotry. I'm not.

I have already said that I support the civil union alternative.

339 Big Wabbit  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:22:02pm

Didn't I see him in the Planet of the Apes?

340 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:22:07pm

re: #329 Salamantis


Pa used to be, I think there are still some laws, but, the point was that even with those laws they have hoops to jump through to get the rights that homosexual couples want conferred upon them without doing the requsite paperwork.
Not the greatest analogy, but, there is a point when people have to get up and do something for themselves. We have marriage for straights, civil unions for gays. We have mens and ladies rooms...will gay men soon demand to change in the ladies rooms?

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:22:14pm

Mashed sweet potatoes. Making them for the first time this Thanksgiving. I'm kinda scared.

342 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:22:38pm

re: #263 J.S.

I suspect that if the children are given a public school education, they'll be just like everyone else...they'll be acculturated...(the real problem is with self-imposed segregation, and education in Muslim-only schools, etc.) That's why I believe there needs to be an encouragement and financial support for public schools...as opposed to private religious schools...

The Islamowhackos can't teach the violence (here on our turf) -- only the hate. The violence we will stop. Ultimately it's they who will have to change, or die. You can't stop their hating with our retarded government monopoly schrool system. Hell -- the idiotic public schrool system is probably half the reason kids no NOTHING of the threat posed by Islamists now!

343 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:23:23pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mashed sweet potatoes. Making them for the first time this Thanksgiving. I'm kinda scared.


Just throw in some buttermilk.

344 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:23:26pm

re: #336 solomonpanting

Yep. Thousands of years of civilization's current defintion, one generation calling for an upheavel, and the tradionalists are the radicals.
Another case of a situation being turned on its head.
BBL

Hmmm, interesting. . .just wondering when marriage became a right? I would LOVE to have had the riht to marry. . .Hugh Jackman. . .Johnny Depp. . .is that the next step? Demand that I can marry who I chose. . .even if they do not want to marry me?

345 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:23:26pm
346 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:23:34pm

re: #336 solomonpanting

Thank you.

347 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:23:48pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mashed sweet potatoes. Making them for the first time this Thanksgiving. I'm kinda scared.

I'm no cook, but what's scary about that?

348 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:24:34pm

re: #325 Desert Dog

There are no laws preventing them from getting what Salamantis posted in an earlier thread. What the most militant of these folks want is a change in our laws that justifies their lifestyle.

They have the same rights as anyone else right now, so why is that not enough?

But gay couples have to go to time and expense that straight couples do not in order to get the same rights and benefits. A civil union law could remedy this deficiency, without conferring the status of marriage on gay couples.

349 debutaunt  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:24:42pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mashed sweet potatoes. Making them for the first time this Thanksgiving. I'm kinda scared.

You are raging out of control.

350 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:24:43pm

re: #340 stonemason

Pa used to be, I think there are still some laws, but, the point was that even with those laws they have hoops to jump through to get the rights that homosexual couples want conferred upon them without doing the requsite paperwork.
Not the greatest analogy, but, there is a point when people have to get up and do something for themselves. We have marriage for straights, civil unions for gays. We have mens and ladies rooms...will gay men soon demand to change in the ladies rooms?

We have gender safe bathrooms- cross dressers and the like can use them "without fear"

They used to call them family restrooms, but no one takes their kids in those rooms. . .

351 I heart the USA  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:25:22pm

re: #303 Salamantis

That requirement, needless to say, no longer applies today. But in the interim, other rights and pirivileges have accrued to such state recognition, which, I believe, should equally apply to gay partners in civil unions.

Note that I say civil unions, and not marriages. I am quite okay with the term marriage being reserved for straight couples, so long as preferential legal treatment does not ensue.

Calfornia already has domestic partnership laws covering the issues you have posted as being of concern to you. Those laws were not affected by the passage of 8, nor would they have been affected by its defeat. The only issue Prop 8 addressed was the definition of marriage.

352 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:26:00pm

re: #348 Salamantis

But gay couples have to go to time and expense that straight couples do not in order to get the same rights and benefits. A civil union law could remedy this deficiency, without conferring the status of marriage on gay couples.

Married couples STILL need wills. MPOA is easy to do with no expense other than paying the notary public, and many banks do it for free.

353 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:26:06pm

re: #349 debutaunt

You are raging out of control.

No just practicing good spudsmanship. . .

354 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:26:25pm

re: #256 jaunte

I haven't tried to register. They have 9 links listed on their log-in page, which I'll post here if you like.

I'll just do some googling on my own, but thanks!

355 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:26:40pm

re: #331 Cathypop

Okay. So disagree with a lib gay and they scream racist. People are afraid to argue with them because they will make a scene. Blacks and womend campaigning for equal rights never did this.

Of course they did.

I find it ironic and sad that this thread has morphed from one ridiculing Muslim anti-gay bigotry to one defending anti-gay discrimination here in the US.

356 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:26:42pm

re: #348 Salamantis


Nope...see my earlier post. Straight couples that choose not to marry (to avoid the time and expense, nto to mention the higher taxes) have EXACTLY the same problems that gay couples have. Most states take care of this in the way Mandy mentioned, with MPOA and Wills.

357 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:27:05pm

re: #351 I heart the USA

Calfornia already has domestic partnership laws covering the issues you have posted as being of concern to you. Those laws were not affected by the passage of 8, nor would they have been affected by its defeat. The only issue Prop 8 addressed was the definition of marriage.

So it is automatic, the partnerships, but it is not. . .I am not up on current CA law. . .

358 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:27:52pm

re: #353 DisturbedEma

No just practicing good spudsmanship. . .

FBV is a gentleman -- very unconfortable with the idea of being a masher.

359 Cathypop  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:28:09pm

re: #345 jcm

Serious mad driving skillz.....

HT Dustoff507


Very nice.

360 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:28:14pm

re: #355 Salamantis

Of course they did.

I find it ironic and sad that this thread has morphed from one ridiculing Muslim anti-gay bigotry to one defending anti-gay discrimination here in the US.

I thought it was a majority vote vs judicial mandate thing. . .

361 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:28:18pm

re: #336 solomonpanting

Yep. Thousands of years of civilization's current defintion, one generation calling for an upheavel, and the tradionalists are the radicals.
Another case of a situation being turned on its head.
BBL

People were enslaved and women were chattel for thousands of years, too; that didn't make it right - and it still isn't right, in the societies that continue to practice these heinous traditions.

362 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:28:46pm

re: #358 pre-Boomer Marine brat

FBV is a gentleman -- very unconfortable with the idea of being a masher.

are you saying fbv is small potatoes?

363 Desert Dog  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:29:07pm

re: #348 Salamantis

I am hoping that is the route taken. I have nothing against gay people. I have gay friends and a few gay relatives.

364 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:29:55pm

re: #340 stonemason

Pa used to be, I think there are still some laws, but, the point was that even with those laws they have hoops to jump through to get the rights that homosexual couples want conferred upon them without doing the requsite paperwork.
Not the greatest analogy, but, there is a point when people have to get up and do something for themselves. We have marriage for straights, civil unions for gays. We have mens and ladies rooms...will gay men soon demand to change in the ladies rooms?

Most states do not have civil union laws. And the bathroom thing was raised to object to Jim Crow laws.

365 Dianna  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:29:57pm

re: #282 Moe Katz

Should mosques be subject to supervision to prevent the incitement of violence toward gays? Is that discriminatory? Is that within acceptable democratic options?

First, you'd have to prove some incidents. Then, that specific mosque associated with the violent action against gays might - might, I say - be monitored.

I think you'd have to treat every single case by itself. Anything else would be discriminatory.

366 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:30:01pm

re: #358 pre-Boomer Marine brat

FBV is a gentleman -- very unconfortable with the idea of being a masher.

But he has no problem whipping them......

367 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:30:32pm

re: #362 DisturbedEma

are you saying fbv is small potatoes?

I wasn't going to go that far, not at first, but decided that he has to take his lumps.

368 J.S.  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:31:06pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Up here in Canada, there are variations on the name "sweet potatoes" -- gotta know how you define "sweet potato" -- otherwise could mistake it for "yam" (dry, white flesh = yam; moist, yellow/orange flesh = sweet potato).

369 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:31:06pm

re: #355 Salamantis

Of course they did.

I find it ironic and sad that this thread has morphed from one ridiculing Muslim anti-gay bigotry to one defending anti-gay discrimination here in the US.


I am not anti-gay, I do not discriminate (except in my own bedroom), I am all for civil unions, but the rights are there NOW, they want special rights. I do not hold a parade screaming about the things I do in privacy, and most of the Gay and Lesbians I know do not attend those functions, they live and let live, as do I.

370 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:31:33pm

re: #366 jcm

But he has no problem whipping them......

We Have LIFTOFF!
The second pun-string in the thread!

371 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:31:55pm

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wasn't going to go that far, not at first, but decided that he has to take his lumps.

In the end, we all have to admit...
I yam, what I yam.

372 chalala  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:32:07pm

Being thrown from the top of the tallest bedouin tent into the sand doesn't seem very deadly, maybe they're turning soft? :)

373 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:32:51pm

re: #371 jcm

In the end, we all have to admit...
I yam, what I yam.

Eye could skin you for that.

374 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:33:15pm

re: #356 stonemason

Nope...see my earlier post. Straight couples that choose not to marry (to avoid the time and expense, nto to mention the higher taxes) have EXACTLY the same problems that gay couples have. Most states take care of this in the way Mandy mentioned, with MPOA and Wills.

But straight couples who do marry are automatically conferred rights, privileges and legal standing that gays cannot gain without much time, monety and effort, in states that lack gay civil union laws.

375 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:33:40pm

re: #348 Salamantis

But gay couples have to go to time and expense that straight couples do not in order to get the same rights and benefits. A civil union law could remedy this deficiency, without conferring the status of marriage on gay couples.

With all due respect- that is not really the case- the term marriage is deliberate. . .and neither of the 2 canidates for POTUS supported gay marriage. . .

Civil unions already exist in many forms- there is a very vocal position in tis movement- it is not just about the taxes- health care benefits, for one, which are allowed for spouses, and other tangible things, fiscal in nature. . .

If it was about civil recognition, it would be a moot point- legal remedies are already there. . .this is recognition for fiscal and ideological gain. . .which I really could not care less about. . .but I dislike the refusal of many to acknowledge that part of the "debate"

376 Dianna  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:33:48pm

re: #303 Salamantis

I don't believe that actually is the case. Or, more accurately, it doesn't accord with my knowledge of marriage law, and the introduction of civil marriage.

377 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:34:00pm

re: #373 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Eye could skin you for that.

But tuber or not tuber: that is the question...

378 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:34:29pm

re: #367 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wasn't going to go that far, not at first, but decided that he has to take his lumps.

The eyes have it then. . .

379 crimsonfisted  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:34:44pm

Dows any one know what this guy is a "doctor" of? For crying out loud, are they ALL doctors?

And if they have national health care too, well my mine boggles. Is this what we are going to get?
:)

380 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:35:01pm

re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mashed sweet potatoes. Making them for the first time this Thanksgiving. I'm kinda scared.

Tuber, or not tuber. That is the question.

381 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:35:10pm

re: #377 goddessoftheclassroom

But tuber or not tuber: that is the question...

I'll going to be ill!
No way I can root for that!

382 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:35:28pm

re: #377 goddessoftheclassroom

But tuber or not tuber: that is the question...

Get out of my head.

Although there is, I've been told, plenty of room in here.

383 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:35:37pm

re: #380 Cognito

Tuber, or not tuber. That is the question.

Nah, nah, nah. nah, nah--I got there first!

/how old am I?

384 Athos  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:35:41pm

re: #355 Salamantis

I find it ironic and sad that this thread has morphed from one ridiculing Muslim anti-gay bigotry to one defending anti-gay discrimination here in the US.

Is this your attempt to hijack the thread and run your agenda? There was a thread on this subject on Friday. IIRC, no one was able to prove where the discrimination is actually taking place since marriage isn't a right, and in CA, where constitutionally the people are the ultimate authority, a legal vote amended the constitution to define the term 'marriage' on the same basis its been defined for thousands of years.

There is a huge fucking difference between a legal vote affirming the definition of marraige and some cleric pinhead advocating the public torture and murder of people because of their choice of sexual preference. In CA, if you want to change the definition, advance a proposition and win the vote. See how far that get's you with the islamofascists.

385 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:35:52pm

re: #355 Salamantis

Of course they did.

I find it ironic and sad that this thread has morphed from one ridiculing Muslim anti-gay bigotry to one defending anti-gay discrimination here in the US.

Who's defending it?

386 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:36:01pm

re: #378 DisturbedEma

The eyes have it then. . .

It's certainly a-peeling to me.

387 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:36:25pm

re: #307 pre-Boomer Marine brat

So I have heard too, and it would NOT surprise me.

Back in the '80s IIRC, Arrow Electronics (major wholesaler of electronic parts) lost nearly its entire top management in a fire at a meeting hall. The electronic trade journals had articles, later, regarding insurers beginning to set conditions like you mentioned.

It was Brown & Root, 1976, in Alaska. They lost 4 senior exec's, 2 survived.

388 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:36:28pm

re: #360 DisturbedEma

I thought it was a majority vote vs judicial mandate thing. . .

The Bill of Rights was passed in order to prevent the minority from being oppressed by a tyranny of the majority. I think that all US citizens should enjoy equal rights, freedoms, opportunities, liberties, obligations and responsibilities, regardless of race, sex, religion, or gender orientation. None should enjoy any more than any others, and none should enjoy any less.

389 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:36:42pm

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll going to be ill!
No way I can root for that!

(I'm trying to work something up with "Idaho," but it's too rude...)

390 lifeofthemind  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:36:49pm

"The law, in its infinite majesty, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets and to steal bread" - Anatole France

There should be no special treatment. Any woman who places a male reproductive organ in the exit of the alimentary canal should face the same penalties as a man.

Honestly I know this is a serious issue and I think that the problem isn't with the homosexuals being denied access to services. Many members of the straight community have the sneaking suspicion, possibly because of the repeated hate filled speech that members of the homosexual lobby constantly thrust into their faces, that the real issue is the anger that some people have towards traditional institutions and their determination to tear those institutions down. If it was just that the Gay couple was just like everyone else and wanted or needed a piece of paper then few people would give a damn. Many people know in their bones that the issue is that zombie’s subjects in leather and religious garb want to destroy the very concepts of marriage and family life and religion that are deeply significant to millions of people. Given that we are under attack from real religious extremists it is revealing that members of the homosexual community aren't standing up and saying that this is the wrong time to be attacking traditional Western civilization.

391 Cognito  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:37:14pm

I'm all for mashed sweet potatoes. I demand them, even.

Matter of fact I'm something of a dictater.

392 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:37:30pm

re: #374 Salamantis

But straight couples who do marry are automatically conferred rights, privileges and legal standing that gays cannot gain without much time, monety and effort, in states that lack gay civil union laws.

Umm, hetero weddings cost money- and so do legal services like pre nups and wills and other things fiscal in nature. . .is it really because things are too hard?

I am guessing that someone whith an objection to this change will respond- but really, if it is just about rights, why is the current civil union thing ok? Is it because calling it marriage makes it "real"? If so. . .well, I guess it is not just apiece of paper after all. . .

393 bryantms  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:37:36pm

re: #391 Cognito

I see what you did there, nice!

394 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:37:49pm

re: #374 Salamantis

But straight couples who do marry are automatically conferred rights, privileges and legal standing that gays cannot gain without much time, monety and effort, in states that lack gay civil union laws.

AGAIN, it doesn't take a lot of time to draft a will and a MPOA, and boht can be done for free.

395 lifeofthemind  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:37:53pm

re: #353 DisturbedEma

No just practicing good spudsmanship. . .

Whatever happened to "Spuds?" Did he get a job?

396 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:37:59pm

re: #369 stonemason

I am not anti-gay, I do not discriminate (except in my own bedroom), I am all for civil unions, but the rights are there NOW, they want special rights. I do not hold a parade screaming about the things I do in privacy, and most of the Gay and Lesbians I know do not attend those functions, they live and let live, as do I.

Most states still do not have gay civil union laws. Until they all do, gays will have something legitimate about which to protest.

397 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:38:01pm

re: #381 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll going to be ill!
No way I can root for that!

Idaho if I can either

398 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:38:05pm

re: #374 Salamantis

time, money and effort,

Is exactly what a marriage is. So those straight couples that marry spend time, money, and effort, and get certain rights, Gay couples spend a few hours in a lawyers office and get the same rights, with out paying the higher federal income taxes.

The militant, in your face types ruin it for those that live and let live, they do want to change society, there is no argument there. The fact that they attacked churches in the past three weeks proves that. They want churches to change the basic tenets, to not only turn the other cheek but fully accept what many people see as a sin. When are the rights of those people going to be protected?

399 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:38:09pm

re: #387 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

It was Brown & Root, 1976, in Alaska. They lost 4 senior exec's, 2 survived.

Arrow too.

400 I heart the USA  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:38:37pm

re: #384 Athos

In CA, if you want to change the definition, advance a proposition and win the vote. See how far that get's you with the islamofascists.

It doesn't seem to be getting us that far with our judicial fascists here in the Golden State!

401 nyc redneck  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:38:49pm

that "area btw their navel and their knee."
lol

402 Daisy  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:39:14pm

Someone better tell Ahmidinijhad that there are homosexuals in Islam. And that they appear to be showing up in their birthday suits in massage parlors in Kuwait. Who knew?

403 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:39:29pm

re: #390 lifeofthemind

"The law, in its infinite majesty, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets and to steal bread" - Anatole France

There should be no special treatment. Any woman who places a male reproductive organ in the exit of the alimentary canal should face the same penalties as a man.

Honestly I know this is a serious issue and I think that the problem isn't with the homosexuals being denied access to services. Many members of the straight community have the sneaking suspicion, possibly because of the repeated hate filled speech that members of the homosexual lobby constantly thrust into their faces, that the real issue is the anger that some people have towards traditional institutions and their determination to tear those institutions down. If it was just that the Gay couple was just like everyone else and wanted or needed a piece of paper then few people would give a damn. Many people know in their bones that the issue is that zombie’s subjects in leather and religious garb want to destroy the very concepts of marriage and family life and religion that are deeply significant to millions of people. Given that we are under attack from real religious extremists it is revealing that members of the homosexual community aren't standing up and saying that this is the wrong time to be attacking traditional Western civilization.

Kinda reminds me of the White Man's Fear of the Ubersensual Mandingo tempting the virtue of white woman.

404 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:39:30pm

re: #389 goddessoftheclassroom

(I'm trying to work something up with "Idaho," but it's too rude...)

ewwwwwwwwww!
I've gotta comeback for that, but I DARE not use it!
ARRRGGGHHH!

405 reine.de.tout  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:40:14pm

re: #355 Salamantis

Of course they did.

I find it ironic and sad that this thread has morphed from one ridiculing Muslim anti-gay bigotry to one defending anti-gay discrimination here in the US.

I find it disturbing that any person with a religious or non-religious objection to calling same-sex partnerships by the legal term "marriage" are broadly painted as "bigots".

406 Thanos  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:40:17pm

re: #384 Athos

In 1967 the Supreme court had this to say in a miscegnation case:

Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not to marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State

Now if you couple that with discrimination based on sex in the other ammendment, you see there are potential rights to be found.

That said, I'm in favor of the states determining this first, and letting itself work out over the next few years. All said, within 30 years gay marriage will be legal in most states in the country by my prediction.

407 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:40:51pm

re: #390 lifeofthemind

Actually that is the MAJORITY of the opposition I see in people around me- that they believe that gays are bent on ending their right to be against the gay lifestyle for religious reasons. . .because theri religion makes them homophobic. . .

408 Fearless Fred  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:40:57pm

re: #338 Salamantis

Oh pumpkin ... now you're makin' me feel guilty! I just wanted to fight about the specific ... somethin' about legal persecution .. .. don't worry, I can't even remember now. My larger point is I'm SICK and FUCKING TIRED of people not realizing what a wonderful world WE Americans are creating! The ideas we are spreading and promoting (and mainly by example) are so exciting! It makes me so angry to be told I'm part of a racist and bigoted and homophobic society. I'm not. That's not the definition of my society. That's not what defines me, my community, my friends, my church, my history, my elected officials, my police department, my lizards, or even my enemies! The only people so far in my life that were bigoted and racist --- hmm, guess they weren't homophobic (except maybe for one whacky Muslim econ prof) --- were the liberal-left commie profs I experienced at colleges and universities. They were horribly bigoted. They were the most closed-minded smug asses I've ever met. But they don't represent me or my tribe or my nation.

409 stonemason  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:41:10pm

re: #388 Salamantis


None should enjoy any more than any others, and none should enjoy any less

Too many laws on the books now that give 'preferential' treatment to too many classes for that ideal to ever be realized. Just starting with hate crimes, where the penalty for killing me is less than the penalty for killing a gay man.

410 lifeofthemind  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:41:11pm

re: #403 Salamantis

Kinda reminds me of the White Man's Fear of the Ubersensual Mandingo tempting the virtue of white woman.

Says more about your interests or concerns than mine.

411 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:41:22pm

re: #397 DisturbedEma

Idaho if I can either

M'gosh, goddess!
Ema came up with and Idaho pun that wasn't off-color!

*rimshot* Ema!

412 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:41:26pm

re: #392 DisturbedEma

Umm, hetero weddings cost money- and so do legal services like pre nups and wills and other things fiscal in nature. . .is it really because things are too hard?

I am guessing that someone whith an objection to this change will respond- but really, if it is just about rights, why is the current civil union thing ok? Is it because calling it marriage makes it "real"? If so. . .well, I guess it is not just apiece of paper after all. . .

re: #394 MandyManners

AGAIN, it doesn't take a lot of time to draft a will and a MPOA, and boht can be done for free.

I still cannot fathom why either of you would be opposed to civil union laws. You say that jumping through the hoops isn't that big of a deal, but it's a deal you don't have to deal with.

413 jcm  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:41:53pm

re: #402 Daisy

Someone better tell Ahmidinijhad that there are homosexuals in Islam. And that they appear to be showing up in their birthday suits in massage parlors in Kuwait. Who knew?

"There are no homosexuals in Iran" if they are in Kuwait, they certainly aren't in Iran. Must be that decadent western influence in Kuwait that turns them into homosexuals while they visit.

//

414 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:42:37pm

re: #411 pre-Boomer Marine brat

M'gosh, goddess!
Ema came up with and Idaho pun that wasn't off-color!

*rimshot* Ema!

Ho ho ho...

415 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:43:06pm

re: #405 reine.de.tout

I find it disturbing that any person with a religious or non-religious objection to calling same-sex partnerships by the legal term "marriage" are broadly painted as "bigots".

And by extention, their religion as well. . .because of how they interpret scripture

416 Dianna  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:43:25pm

re: #329 Salamantis

You mean they're not living in a common law marriage state, where such things are automatically conferred after a period of cohabitation (usually much less than 30 years)?

California does not recognize common law marriage.

Conversely, there is no such thing an an "illegitimate" child in California law.

417 MandyManners  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:43:38pm

re: #405 reine.de.tout

I find it disturbing that any person with a religious or non-religious objection to calling same-sex partnerships by the legal term "marriage" are broadly painted as "bigots".

And, equated with Sa'd Al-'Inzi.

418 UberInfidel67  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:43:47pm

re: #255 pre-Boomer Marine brat Maybe they are sending out phony intel. Child porn is the quickest way to draw attention to yourself. You would have to be a total ass (I know, they are) to use a medium such as that to send messages. Decoys?

419 Salamantis  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:43:48pm

re: #398 stonemason

Is exactly what a marriage is. So those straight couples that marry spend time, money, and effort, and get certain rights, Gay couples spend a few hours in a lawyers office and get the same rights, with out paying the higher federal income taxes.

The militant, in your face types ruin it for those that live and let live, they do want to change society, there is no argument there. The fact that they attacked churches in the past three weeks proves that. They want churches to change the basic tenets, to not only turn the other cheek but fully accept what many people see as a sin. When are the rights of those people going to be protected?

Churches in the South asserted the same religious privileges vis a vis racist policies. But once again, I am not endorsing gay marriage, but gay civil unions, and cannot fathom your opposition to same.

420 DisturbedEma  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:43:50pm

re: #411 pre-Boomer Marine brat

M'gosh, goddess!
Ema came up with and Idaho pun that wasn't off-color!

*rimshot* Ema!

:).. .just my state of mind I guess. . .

421 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:44:20pm

re: #414 goddessoftheclassroom

Ho ho ho...

I did not hear that.

/three monkeys, hands on their heads, desperately trying to ignore the computer monitor

422 pink freud  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:44:24pm

re: #404 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ewwwwwwwwww!
I've gotta comeback for that, but I DARE not use it!
ARRRGGGHHH!

Yukon, you know yukon!

423 Macker  Sun, Nov 23, 2008 2:44:34pm

re: #413 jcm

"There are no homosexuals in Iran" if they are in Kuwait, they certainly aren't in Iran. Must be that decadent western influence in Kuwait that turns them into homosexuals while they visit.

//

That's because this product sell like hotcakes in Iran....