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US News | Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:47:47 am PST

Here’s a scary little story about the increasing sophistication of online criminals: Hands-off hackers: Crooks opt for surgical strikes.

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Internet criminals have been getting more “professional” for years, trying to run their businesses like Big Business to get better and more profitable at selling stolen data online. Now the bad guys of the cyber-underworld are exhibiting other unexpected traits: remarkable patience and restraint in stalking their victims.

A new report by antivirus software vendor Symantec Corp. details a startling trend that highlights the inventive ways criminals are figuring out ways [sic] to make money online.

Hackers are sometimes breaking into online businesses and not stealing anything. Gone are the bull-in-the-China-shop days of plundering everything in sight once they’ve found a sliver of a security hole.

Instead of swiping all the customer data they can get their hands on, a small subset of hackers have concerned themselves with stealing only a very specific thing from the vendors they breach — they want access to the compromised companies’ payment-processing systems, and nothing else, according to the “Symantec Report on the Underground Economy,” slated for release Monday.

They use their illicit access to online payment gateways for only one purpose: to validate stolen credit card numbers. They sell this validation service to the criminals who actually buy lists of card numbers, so they can be sure the numbers they’re buying will work. It’s a kind of underground service industry.

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1 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:49:23am

The more the Government tightens down by taxing/regulating/outlawing everything in sight, the more such activity will flourish....remember Prohibition anyone?

2 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:49:54am

Not much left to steal, the Gov has already done it.

3 hazzyday  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:50:10am

The political moral of this type of story is that the Republican leaders will be clueless on how to stop this. The Democratic leaders will be wistful as to how they can get their share of this.

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:50:24am

re: #2 VegasRick

Not much left to steal, the Gov has already done it.

Freedom is next on the list.

5 notutopia  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:50:42am

Rid yourself of all your credit cards.
: 0

6 CIA Reject  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:51:15am

Now THAT'S "Change We Can Believe In"!

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:51:47am

re: #3 hazzyday

The political moral of this type of story is that the Republican leaders will be clueless on how to stop this. The Democratic leaders will be wistful as to how they can get their share of this.

By what O is proposing it is more likely the Dems are part of the crooks doing the stealing.

8 WrathofG-d  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:51:54am

Before we all go about blaming this on Obama......allow me to attempt to stem the tide here within the top 10

9 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:52:05am

Looks like the crooks have a better brain trust than the capitalists....they should start recruiting from seedy Internet parlors and Mom's basements rather than Harvard or Yale.

10 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:52:10am

WHo Dave? Daves not here!

11 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:52:25am

We were reminded in church yesterday: Never compromise your integrity. Especially as hard time come and the temptation to do so rises.

I'm reminded of the fact that every criminal has a family network that probably knows he's a criminal and in some way enables the criminal activity.

If I ever discovered that my child or spouse were engaged in criminal behavior - I would simply say, "Are you completely insane?" And I would never allow them to live under the same roof.

12 Opinionated  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:53:20am

Never buy anything on-line with your actual credit card number. Use the one time use virtual number that some credit cards provide.

13 Cognito  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:53:27am

My wife got caught up in this. We noticed weird, illegitimate charges on her card for small amounts like $99, which were then -- most weirdly of all -- sometimes refunded.

The thieves were apparently pinging the number to validate it, then passing it up- or downstream to other bad guys.

14 hazzyday  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:15am

re: #8 WrathofG-d

Before we all go about blaming this on Obama......allow me to attempt to stem the tide here within the top 10

My point would be "Democrats soft on financial crime" "Republicans ignorant of said crimes"

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:18am

re: #8 WrathofG-d

I am laying blame on all of Government, not just the soon-to-be-anointed Messiah-King.

16 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:20am

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Freedom is next on the list.

Click! *chambers first round

17 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:26am

Then they donate all the stolen money to Democrats so we can enjoy all the yummy, delicious change they can shove down our throats.

18 Shug  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:36am

That's OK, all the stolen money was given to the Obama Campaign in 200$ donations

19 freedombilly  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:47am

Not to worry. Obama will change the way we do online transactions to keep us safe.

CHANGE!

20 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:54:53am

re: #13 Cognito

My wife got caught up in this. We noticed weird, illegitimate charges on her card for small amounts like $99, which were then -- most weirdly of all -- sometimes refunded.

The thieves were apparently pinging the number to validate it, then passing it up- or downstream to other bad guys.

Same with my daughter

21 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:55:08am
22 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:56:02am

Fox is reporting that NATO is ruling out a naval blockade of Somalia? Why not just pay the Somali pirates NOT to hijack stuff?

23 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:56:20am

Interesting how O was the beneficiary of quite a lot of illicit credit-card donations that are now being disputed by the owners of the cards.

24 The Other Les  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Fox is reporting that NATO is ruling out a naval blockade of Somalia? Why not just pay the Somali pirates NOT to hijack stuff?

That never works.

25 DistantThunder  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:56:52am

Who is looking into those illicit donations?

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Fox is reporting that NATO is ruling out a naval blockade of Somalia? Why not just pay the Somali pirates NOT to hijack stuff?

That's next when NATO shakes down the US for the graft.

27 Cognito  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:57:50am

re: #13 Cognito

My wife got caught up in this. We noticed weird, illegitimate charges on her card for small amounts like $99, which were then -- most weirdly of all -- sometimes refunded.

The thieves were apparently pinging the number to validate it, then passing it up- or downstream to other bad guys.

Oops -- small amounts like 99 cents, not dollars.

28 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:57:55am

re: #1 FurryOldGuyJeans

The more the Government tightens down by taxing/regulating/outlawing everything in sight, the more such activity will flourish....remember Prohibition anyone?

I got called into a meeting when you asked for the liink to the Colmes?palin thing.
Actually I read it several months ago from a link posted by an alert Lizard.

29 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:58:08am

re: #16 VegasRick

Click! *chambers first round

Like the FIL used to say, "nothing clears the mind more than a Shotgun round being chambered"

30 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:58:50am

re: #24 The Other Les

That never works.

Shit, try it on me. I swear I'll never hyjack anything?

31 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:59:07am

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's next when NATO shakes down the US for the graft.

Aren't they already?

32 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:59:17am

re: #28 opnion

I got called into a meeting when you asked for the liink to the Colmes?palin thing.
Actually I read it several months ago from a link posted by an alert Lizard.

Several months....sounds like the ever quick Government when it comes to reprimanding a union worker.

33 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:59:43am

Blame human nature. There will always be a percentage of human beings that prefer to feed off the efforts of others. 40,000 years ago, I am sure there were sneaky cavemen that waited for another caveman to kill that Mastodon, and then came down from their hiding place to steal it. They were not skilled enough to do it for themselves, but clever enough to take it once it was done.

Our own technology is coming back to haunt us. It makes it easier for robbers to rob. No more need to go to the bank with a mask, a note and a gun. Now, they just have to be smart enough to use a computer. The same with our safety. The low tech terrorists used our own hi tech equipment to kill us.

34 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #21 taxfreekiller

Its a good thing the illegal immigrants are not into ID theft and Credit Card fraud.

Senator Kennedy compared ID theft by illegals to nothing more serious than J walking. Silly me, I thought that it was a felony.

35 Buck  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 11:59:50am

I had my credit card stolen one time.... but the thief was spending less than me, so I let him keep it.

36 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:00:03pm

re: #31 Nevergiveup

Aren't they already?

Not specifically for the Pirate payouts, no. That is yet to be done.

37 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:00:07pm

re: #29 saberry0530

Like the FIL used to say, "nothing clears the mind more than a Shotgun round being chambered"

Wake up call.

38 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:01:45pm

re: #34 opnion

Senator Kennedy compared ID theft by illegals to nothing more serious than J walking. Silly me, I thought that it was a felony.

Still no opinion from Mary Jo Kopechne.

39 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:01:52pm

re: #16 VegasRick

Click! *chambers first round

I prefer the *sha-CHUNK* of the slide on my Bersa 9mm. ;)

40 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:02:11pm

re: #33 Desert Dog

Blame human nature. There will always be a percentage of human beings that prefer to feed off the efforts of others.

To all those that blamed the mortgage crisis merely on the greed of lenders, I asked if they thought greed was invented in 1997, when the subprime mortgages took off and the housing price curve separated from the inflation curve.

They were dumbfounded. I think I got through.

41 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:03:37pm

re: #32 FurryOldGuyJeans

Several months....sounds like the ever quick Government when it comes to reprimanding a union worker.

It was shortly after the Republican Convention. If memory serves me Kos linked to Colmes, but could have been the other way around.
Colmes naturally took it down. Shortly after, Dick Morris & Colmes were getting heated & it sounded like Morris was going to bash Colmes about it & Hannity immediately cut to a break

42 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:03:56pm

re: #40 Silhouette

Lots of blame to go around in that mess.....like everyone party involved

43 midwestgak  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:04:16pm

re: #20 DistantThunder

Same with my daughter

How did you rectify it?

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:04:31pm

re: #40 Silhouette

To all those that blamed the mortgage crisis merely on the greed of lenders, I asked if they thought greed was invented in 1997, when the subprime mortgages took off and the housing price curve separated from the inflation curve.

They were dumbfounded. I think I got through.

I was never one to blame the mortgage crisis on the greed of lenders, but on the greed of Congress to get re-elected by passing and bloating up CRA, aided and abetted by front groups like ACORN. The lenders had to lend or face stiff penalties mandated by law.

45 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:04:37pm

re: #38 VegasRick

Still no opinion from Mary Jo Kopechne.

Yup, couldn't be reached for comment.

46 Nylecoj  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:04:39pm

re: #13 Cognito

My wife got caught up in this. We noticed weird, illegitimate charges on her card for small amounts like $99, which were then -- most weirdly of all -- sometimes refunded.

The thieves were apparently pinging the number to validate it, then passing it up- or downstream to other bad guys.

Another time when .99$ charges may appear and disappear from your statement is when one uses the card at a gas pump. The computer in the pump 'pings' for validity by making a small charge like that. I started noticing that when I started to preview my statements both credit and debit more often online instead of waiting for paper statements.

47 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:05:00pm

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Fox is reporting that NATO is ruling out a naval blockade of Somalia? Why not just pay the Somali pirates NOT to hijack stuff?

Pirate bail out. Hell, why not!

48 VegasRick  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:05:00pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I prefer the *sha-CHUNK* of the slide on my Bersa 9mm. ;)

M-1 enforcer, combat clips with hollow tips. 12 gauge riot gun, birdshot, slugs every other round. lots of ammo.

49 96RoadKing  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:05:15pm

re: #22 Nevergiveup

The Tripopolitan Pirates were shaking down nations in the 1800's and making a tidy sum. Until Jefferson sent a ship over and the Marines had a nice non-verbal communication with them ('to the shores of Tripoli'). Blackmail just breeds more blackmail, while judicial use of unfettered force disabuses people if 'inappropriate' behavior.

50 Wild Knight  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:05:16pm

OT but funny as heck: Your text to link...

Her last words complement the fun perfectly.

51 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:05:26pm

How is the supply of anthills?
Ants get hungry.
We should be ecologically friendly.
Poor ants. Look at those starving ants.
Let's find catch something someones to feed them.

/way more satisfying than watching paint dry

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:06:21pm

Anybody read "The Blue Nowhere" by Jeffery Deaver? Cool book about crime on the internets.

53 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:06:39pm

re: #41 opnion

It was shortly after the Republican Convention. If memory serves me Kos linked to Colmes, but could have been the other way around.
Colmes naturally took it down. Shortly after, Dick Morris & Colmes were getting heated & it sounded like Morris was going to bash Colmes about it & Hannity immediately cut to a break

Sorry, I just honestly don't see or buy the connection. If it had happened within a week then I could. But months after the fact means it was tolerated if not approved of. There are other reasons Colmes is moving on.

54 Cognito  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:07:04pm

re: #46 Nylecoj

Another time when .99$ charges may appear and disappear from your statement is when one uses the card at a gas pump. The computer in the pump 'pings' for validity by making a small charge like that. I started noticing that when I started to preview my statements both credit and debit more often online instead of waiting for paper statements.

Nah, this was definitely illegitimate. The thieves also used the number to do weird things, like sign up for a calling plan from the U.S. to India. And there were several thousand dollars in authorized-but-uncharged purchases for who knows what.

We canceled the card immediately, before those charges could hit the account.

55 Nylecoj  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:08:29pm

re: #54 Cognito

Nah, this was definitely illegitimate. The thieves also used the number to do weird things, like sign up for a calling plan from the U.S. to India. And there were several thousand dollars in authorized-but-uncharged purchases for who knows what.

We canceled the card immediately, before those charges could hit the account.

Yeup! Definitely bad.

56 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:08:41pm

re: #49 96RoadKing

The Tripopolitan Pirates were shaking down nations in the 1800's and making a tidy sum. Until Jefferson sent a ship over and the Marines had a nice non-verbal communication with them ('to the shores of Tripoli'). Blackmail just breeds more blackmail, while judicial use of unfettered force disabuses people if 'inappropriate' behavior.

Nice idea but I don't see O being a believer in Unfettered Force.

57 Alouette  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:09:18pm

re: #52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody read "The Blue Nowhere" by Jeffery Deaver? Cool book about crime on the internets.

I thought it was really lame, not the same standard as his Lincoln Rhyme novels. But even the Rhyme novels are disappointing since Jeffrey Deaver has revealed himself to be an elitist moonbat.

58 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:09:28pm

re: #49 96RoadKing

It was a knee-jerk reaction by the Europeans now, just as it is today. Those pirates are not stupid, they know they will get the ransom. We will reach a point where it is too much. I'd say we are already there, but knowing the rest of the world, we will continue to see large ransoms being paid for quite sometime.

59 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:09:52pm

re: #27 Cognito

Oops -- small amounts like 99 cents, not dollars.

I was wondering your net worth if 99 bucks was a small amount.

60 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:10:01pm

re: #39 FurryOldGuyJeans

I prefer the *sha-CHUNK* of the slide on my Bersa 9mm. ;)

*BLAM*
*BLAM*
*BLAM*

STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!

dang it! I always get it backwards....

61 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:10:04pm

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Fox is reporting that NATO is ruling out a naval blockade of Somalia? Why not just pay the Somali pirates NOT to hijack stuff?

After his work in Africa las t night, why can't we send Jack Bauer to take care of the pirates...

62 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:10:10pm

re: #49 96RoadKing

The Tripopolitan Pirates were shaking down nations in the 1800's and making a tidy sum. Until Jefferson sent a ship over and the Marines had a nice non-verbal communication with them ('to the shores of Tripoli'). Blackmail just breeds more blackmail, while judicial use of unfettered force disabuses people if 'inappropriate' behavior.

Well call me back when Jefferson is sworn back in?

63 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:11:20pm

re: #50 Wild Knight

OT but funny as heck: Your text to link...

Her last words complement the fun perfectly.

As God as my witness, I thought turkeys magically appeared in the grocery store already frozen.
/NYT

64 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:12:03pm

re: #60 jcm

*BLAM*
*BLAM*
*BLAM*

STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!

dang it! I always get it backwards....

I have always been a firm believer that if I am going to fire one round I will empty the clip as needed.

65 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:12:11pm

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

As God as my witness, I thought turkeys magically appeared in the grocery store already frozen.
/NYT

Dam your a deep thinker. I thought they just show up on the dinner table?

66 96RoadKing  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:12:25pm

re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Big O is going to get his clocked cleaned the first time he tries his 'sit down' with a barbarian. I'm hoping Bush will take advantage of his remaining days to do something. It'd be nice to see him make a dramatic exit.

67 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:12:52pm

re: #65 Nevergiveup

Yes, I prefer those "self-cooking" ones as well

68 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:13:15pm

re: #64 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always been a firm believer that if I am going to fire one round I will empty the clip as needed.

That is gaining ground in LE and becoming part of use of force training.
Shoot until they are down.

69 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:13:38pm

re: #66 96RoadKing

The Big O is going to get his clocked cleaned the first time he tries his 'sit down' with a barbarian. I'm hoping Bush will take advantage of his remaining days to do something. It'd be nice to see him make a dramatic exit.

Sadly Bush has become the epitome of a Lame Duck. He has been castrated by the Left and the MSM, and apparently just wants to get out of office with no further surgery.

70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:13:41pm

re: #57 Alouette

I thought it was great. Isn't that cool about art?

71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:14:17pm

Trying out a sweet potato recipe before Thursday's big dance.

72 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:14:27pm

re: #68 jcm

That is gaining ground in LE and becoming part of use of force training.
Shoot until they are down.

Down and stopped wiggling is my philosophy.

73 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:14:38pm

re: #67 Desert Dog

Yes, I prefer those "self-cooking" ones as well

Can you say "Boston Chicken"?

74 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:15:30pm

And I thought that Los Angeles' underground economy (of ~50% of all business) was bad.
I only own one card and check it almost daily to see what cleared.
My previous experience with a druggie relative who stole mom's cc's including the one we shared so I could get her meds taught me well.
You are NOT the victim in cc fraud, your cc company is.
They almost don't want your help, but, if you hand them a perp on a silver platter they will toss her behind bars for many years.

75 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:15:30pm

re: #50 Wild Knight

OT but funny as heck: Your text to link...

Her last words complement the fun perfectly.


Tofurkey for the Times.

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:15:40pm

re: #67 Desert Dog

Yes, I prefer those "self-cooking" ones as well

OP turkeys are good.

77 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:15:56pm

re: #73 Nevergiveup

Can you say "Boston Chicken"?

*BARF*

78 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:16:09pm

Did Hannity just say that Skeletor is leaving the show?

79 3 wood  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:16:27pm

DOW up 384

Please God, keep Obama away from a microphone.

80 Rednek  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:16:37pm

There is joke in this story waiting to be born.

81 mean Gene  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:16:40pm

re: #78 saberry0530
Yes.
Hurrah!

82 96RoadKing  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:16:48pm

re: #69 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am but a student to your wisdom. You are quite right. Perhaps in five years we'll read about shock and awe again.

In the meantime, I'm going to continue personal armament acquisition.

83 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:17:07pm

re: #78 saberry0530

Did Hannity just say that Skeletor is leaving the show?

YEP.

84 Alouette  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:17:13pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought it was great. Isn't that cool about art?

I liked his "Rune" novels. Lincoln Rhyme is getting too NPR moonbatty.

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #79 3 wood

DOW up 384

Please God, keep Obama away from a microphone.

It was up when He was announcing His Econ Staff. Maybe this is the "Now where do we go?" bounce?

86 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #65 Nevergiveup

Dam your a deep thinker. I thought they just show up on the dinner table?

What? You make your spouse drive to the Boston Market?

87 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:17:32pm

re: #78 saberry0530

Did Hannity just say that Skeletor is leaving the show?

I nominated Ayers to replace him.......

88 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:18:04pm

Hey, but it's all cool, man. As long as they keep donating to Barrack Obama everything will go smooth

89 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:18:06pm

re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sorry, I just honestly don't see or buy the connection. If it had happened within a week then I could. But months after the fact means it was tolerated if not approved of. There are other reasons Colmes is moving on.

Could be that they wanted to get through the elections, so that it did not look bad. You have to know that FNC was not happy that Colmes posted such a scurrilous story. I really believe that they are whacking him.

90 3 wood  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:18:57pm

re: #78 saberry0530

Did Hannity just say that Skeletor is leaving the show?

What, is Colmes finally getting honest about it and taking a gig with the Taliban?

91 turn  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:19:11pm

Well since I don't have much to add about hacking, and I do know where Turkeys come from, I'll just post this link I got here early this morning to a very good video on the threat of radical Islam. It is well worth watching when you get the hour or so to spare.

[Link: www.stoptheaclu.com...]

92 ctrlL  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:19:46pm

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Pirate bail out. Hell, why not!

If I am not mistaken, Thomas Jefferson ended that a while back. (see Barbary Pirates, Marines, etc.)

Time to re-educate about the history of Mohammedans and piracy.

93 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:19:56pm

re: #87 jcm

I nominated Ayers to replace him.......

Ayers I could tolerate, That POS Beckel(?) don't let it be him.....
Ayers wouldn't last. It would be great entertainment to see him melt down when actually confronted with facts and history.

94 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:20:01pm

re: #82 96RoadKing

Now's the time to buy. If you look around, you can find some pretty good deals on Sig 556s. And there are more types (and calibers) of weapons using the M-4 frame than you can shake a stick at.

For now.

95 Desert Dog  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:20:51pm

re: #73 Nevergiveup

Can you say "Boston Chicken"?

Yes, any place that has "self-washing dishes, pot and pans" is fine with me too

Actually, I have been hoodwinked by my lovely wife to host 35 people at our house this Thanksgiving. And, since I am the one that worked in restaurants while in college, I am the designated Short order Turkey chef. UGH!

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:21:05pm

re: #89 opnion

Could be that they wanted to get through the elections, so that it did not look bad. You have to know that FNC was not happy that Colmes posted such a scurrilous story. I really believe that they are whacking him.

I expect such behavior from the other media outlets. FNC has shown it has some integrity in the past, and yet they are showing signs of recent MSM cloning, so really who knows. Frankly I couldn't care any less because I gave up watching even FNC a while back, the rest of the broadcast media was years ago.

97 3 wood  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:21:11pm

re: #87 jcm

I nominated Ayers to replace him.......

I think Ayers will be busy advising Obama in the White House

98 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:21:21pm

re: #77 FurryOldGuyJeans

*BARF*

Obviously your wife can cook? We beggars can't be so choosy?

99 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:21:31pm

re: #60 jcm

*BLAM*
*BLAM*
*BLAM*

STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!

dang it! I always get it backwards....

The dialogue, or the gun?

... are you still there?

........... jcm....?

YIKES! Paramedics to #60!

100 ctrlL  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:21:37pm

re: #49 96RoadKing

The Tripopolitan Pirates were shaking down nations in the 1800's and making a tidy sum. Until Jefferson sent a ship over and the Marines had a nice non-verbal communication with them ('to the shores of Tripoli'). Blackmail just breeds more blackmail, while judicial use of unfettered force disabuses people if 'inappropriate' behavior.

Thanks for starting on the re-education ...
;)

101 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:21:40pm

re: #27 Cognito

Oops -- small amounts like 99 cents, not dollars.

hhahahahahaha - democrat math.

102 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:09pm

re: #92 ctrlL

If I am not mistaken, Thomas Jefferson ended that a while back. (see Barbary Pirates, Marines, etc.)

Time to re-educate about the history of Mohammedans and piracy.

Not gonna happen with the current teachers' unions and the NEA.

103 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:15pm

re: #86 DaddyG

What? You make your spouse drive to the Boston Market?

And miss a chance to escape from the house? Are you kidding?

104 Cognito  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:29pm

re: #101 debutaunt

hhahahahahaha - democrat math.

Yeah, heh.

Except, of course, I'm not a Democrat.

No excuse, then, I guess.

105 Shug  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:36pm

re: #79 3 wood

DOW up 384

Please God, keep Obama away from a microphone.

SELL SELL

106 midwestgak  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:53pm

re: #93 saberry0530

Ayers I could tolerate, That POS Beckel(?) don't let it be him.....
Ayers wouldn't last. It would be great entertainment to see him melt down when actually confronted with facts and history.

Or Dick Morris. His first name fits him.

107 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:56pm

re: #99 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The dialogue, or the gun?

... are you still there?

........... jcm....?

YIKES! Paramedics to #60!

Yeah, I'm pop your trunk open will ya?

108 Cognito  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:22:58pm

re: #105 Shug

SELL SELL

WAIT WAIT

109 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:23:14pm

re: #34 opnion

Senator Kennedy compared ID theft by illegals to nothing more serious than J walking. Silly me, I thought that it was a felony.

He believed that swimming was just swimming.

110 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:23:25pm

re: #105 Shug

Buy high, sell low, isn't that the way the stock market works?

111 Shug  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:23:54pm

re: #110 Iron Fist

Buy high, sell low, isn't that the way the stock market works?

that's what the guy on MSNBC told me

112 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:23:57pm

Anyone having some Turducken for Thanksgiving?

113 ctrlL  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:23:59pm

re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans

Perhaps we could enlist the assistance of one Mr. William Ayers ?
/

114 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:24:02pm

re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Trying out a sweet potato recipe before Thursday's big dance.

We already did potato puns ... yesterday.
Don't try to start it up again.

115 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:24:17pm

re: #98 Nevergiveup

Obviously your wife can cook? We beggars can't be so choosy?

Ain't married and I do all the cooking, so I don't need to beg. And have been told I am quite a good cook by a number of people too. ;)

Learn to cook so you won't ever starve or pay good money for crap fast food.

116 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:24:23pm

re: #106 midwestgak

Almost as good as Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda). There's a man who lives up to his name.

117 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:24:34pm

Just heard an ad for this.....

Mercury & Human Health
....

When should ban CFL bulbs, oh wait! Congress mandated them!

We are so screwed!

118 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:25:35pm

re: #113 ctrlL

Perhaps we could enlist the assistance of one Mr. William Ayers ?
/

I wanna know what meds you are taking! ;)

119 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:26:12pm

re: #107 jcm

Yeah, I'm pop your trunk open will ya?

*grin*
How is ya' today?

120 midwestgak  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:26:15pm

bbl

121 CIA Reject  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:26:18pm

re: #64 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always been a firm believer that if I am going to fire one round I will empty the clip as needed.

Heard years ago as a follow-up to a police shooting investigation:

Investigator: "Why did you shoot him 6 times?"

Cop: "I ran out of bullets"

Works for me...

122 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:26:58pm

re: #121 CIA Reject

Heard years ago as a follow-up to a police shooting investigation:

Investigator: "Why did you shoot him 6 times?"

Cop: "I ran out of bullets"

Works for me...

Dat's my thinkin'! ;)

123 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:27:13pm
124 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:27:41pm
125 snowcrash  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:27:51pm

re: #112 tfc3rid
No, but I bought a fresh (not frozen) turkey for the first time. Have no idea if there is any difference except price.

126 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:27:59pm

re: #115 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ain't married and I do all the cooking, so I don't need to beg. And have been told I am quite a good cook by a number of people too. ;)

Learn to cook so you won't ever starve or pay good money for crap fast food.

I've gotten good at begging and I am not that picky. I like airline food and MREs.

127 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:28:41pm
128 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:28:58pm

re: #113 ctrlL

Perhaps we could enlist the assistance of one Mr. William Ayers ?
/

Heh.... the local L3 loonies, Nebraskans for Peace, are calling for UNL to apologize to Ayres for disinviting him to speak at the Education College earlier this month. They also want one of the regents fired for objecting to Ayres' visit.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:29:33pm

Without Skelator Hannity won't have a chance against the "Fairness Doctrine".

Yeah, I'll keep saying that.

130 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:29:51pm

re: #80 Rednek

There is joke in this story waiting to be born.

Are you a good nudist or a bad nudist?

131 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:29:59pm

re: #119 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
How is ya' today?

Supposed to have a down week, but the designers have a new chip in the pipe, but forgot to tell test so it's a friggin' panic to get the hardware designed. We can only reuse hardware if the package size and pins are the same. New package, new pin layout.

132 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:30:03pm

re: #96 FurryOldGuyJeans

I expect such behavior from the other media outlets. FNC has shown it has some integrity in the past, and yet they are showing signs of recent MSM cloning, so really who knows. Frankly I couldn't care any less because I gave up watching even FNC a while back, the rest of the broadcast media was years ago.

I still hang on to FNC. It is all comparative & they look good in that light.
Beside, Obama & other Libs hate them, so the can't be all bad

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:30:18pm
134 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:30:28pm

re: #127 ploome hineni

hmmmmmmmm

single and cooks

do you do dishes?

This could get interesting.
/popcorn time ... (-:

135 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:30:32pm

re: #128 eschew_obfuscation

You've got to remember that under Barrack Obama terrorists will have their rights jealously guarded. Unlike, say, Christians that own guns.

136 tfc3rid  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:30:34pm

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Without Skelator Hannity won't have a chance against the "Fairness Doctrine".

Yeah, I'll keep saying that.

The Fairness Doctrine was never applied to cable news channels.

137 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:31:36pm
138 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:31:45pm

re: #116 Iron Fist

Almost as good as Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda). There's a man who lives up to his name.

My Senator! His name may be Richard, but he will always be a dick to me.

139 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:32:29pm

re: #130 Eowyn2

Are you a good nudist or a bad nudist?

"fundamentalist" nudists....

HAHAHAHA!

140 saberry0530  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:32:37pm

re: #112 tfc3rid

Anyone having some Turducken for Thanksgiving?

Had one about 10 years ago. WHat an Experience if done right.

141 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:32:49pm

re: #135 Iron Fist

You've got to remember that under Barrack Obama terrorists will have their rights jealously guarded. Unlike, say, Christians that own guns.

I'm sure you're right. Fortunately, these folks will just make some noise, get on the evening news, and be ignored..... I used to have a bumper sticker on my car that said "Nebraskans for War" just to yank their chains.

142 Devil's Advocate  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:32:49pm

There is no underground economy with the FairTax.

143 DaddyG  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:32:57pm

re: #139 jcm

"fundamentalist" nudists....

HAHAHAHA!

Mentalist nudists? What do they bend with their minds?

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:32:59pm

re: #131 jcm

Supposed to have a down week, but the designers have a new chip in the pipe, but forgot to tell test so it's a friggin' panic to get the hardware designed. We can only reuse hardware if the package size and pins are the same. New package, new pin layout.

Forgot to tell test?!?!

Can you reuse the gallows sitting out back in the Facilities lot?

145 Devil's Advocate  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:33:05pm

re: #142 Devil's Advocate

or at least it is taxed.

146 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:34:00pm

re: #126 Nevergiveup

I've gotten good at begging and I am not that picky. I like airline food and MREs.

MREs I can see, but airline food?!? *BLECH*

I was always one that wanted to cook even as a youngster. I had to get school district permission to be allowed to take Home Ec in high school. I was told only girls did cooking. When one district board member said only gays cooked that woke the rest of the board up to the idiocy of the restriction. So I was allowed to take Home Ec with 22 girls.

Got ribbed about that by guys who knew me, "hahahahah, cooking!" All I had to do was, "hahahahaha, me and 22 girls!" That made a few guys want to sign up for Home Ec next trimester. In fact so many guys signed up the school had to start a guy only class, I was still "stuck" with 22 girls. ;)

147 3 wood  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:34:03pm

DOW up 433

148 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:34:24pm

re: #138 opnion

My Senator! His name may be Richard, but he will always be a dick to me.

I usually think of his first name as either Dickhead or Dickless, as the case may be at that time.

149 Nevergiveup  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:34:56pm

re: #146 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well I can barbacue pretty good!

150 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:34:58pm

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Without Skelator Hannity won't have a chance against the "Fairness Doctrine".

Yeah, I'll keep saying that.

Now THAT makes a lot more plausible reason why Colmes is leaving than FNC firing him.

151 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:35:01pm

What'll they think of next...

NFL in 3D: The Future Is NOW!

Next week, a game between the San Diego Chargers and the Oakland Raiders will be broadcast live in 3-D to theaters in Los Angeles, New York and Boston. It is a preliminary step on what is likely a long road to any regular 3-D broadcasts of football games.

Football widows every where weep.

152 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:35:09pm

re: #140 saberry0530

Too much freakin' work. My son is doing the Rachel Ray thing this year whilst we sit back and watch...

153 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:35:37pm

re: #149 Nevergiveup

Well I can barbacue pretty good!

That's a good thing. :)

154 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #144 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Forgot to tell test?!?!

Can you reuse the gallows sitting out back in the Facilities lot?

It's all OT, can't complain too much.....

155 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:35:49pm

re: #142 Devil's Advocate

There is no underground economy with the FairTax.

The Fair Tax is a consumption tax IIRC. Seems like that would lend itself to a large barter economy to avoid the tax? Or at least a lot of unreported sales like we get with automobiles now.

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:36:06pm
157 MandyManners  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:36:09pm

re: #124 DaddyG

Preparing the Turkey

I came this ** close to falling out of my chair laughing at that. Thanks for sharing the link.

158 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:36:17pm

re: #151 jcm

What'll they think of next...

NFL in 3D: The Future Is NOW!

Football widows every where weep.

Man, that's too late for me to watch McNabb throw up on the sidelines in glorious 3-D!

159 Rancher  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:36:48pm

re: #128 eschew_obfuscation
He's their stomp on the flag hero.

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:37:03pm

re: #154 jcm

It's all OT, can't complain too much.....

OT's good going into the holidays.

161 Outrider  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:37:28pm

re: #146 FurryOldGuyJeans

MREs I can see, but airline food?!? *BLECH*

I was always one that wanted to cook even as a youngster. I had to get school district permission to be allowed to take Home Ec in high school. I was told only girls did cooking. When one district board member said only gays cooked that woke the rest of the board up to the idiocy of the restriction. So I was allowed to take Home Ec with 22 girls.

Got ribbed about that by guys who knew me, "hahahahah, cooking!" All I had to do was, "hahahahaha, me and 22 girls!" That made a few guys want to sign up for Home Ec next trimester. In fact so many guys signed up the school had to start a guy only class, I was still "stuck" with 22 girls. ;)

I've always thought all guys should learn the basics of cooking, sewing, cleaning.

Conversely, all gals should learn the basics of patching holes in walls, repairing windows, fixing the heater, fixing a leaking pipe, screen repair, changing the oil in a car... etc........

162 debutaunt  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:37:33pm

re: #152 Cap'n DOC

Too much freakin' work. My son is doing the Rachel Ray thing this year whilst we sit back and watch...

The tv cooking shows all seem to break the rules about 'transfer of germs' and adequate hand washing. Lousy example.

163 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:37:52pm

re: #152 Cap'n DOC

Too much freakin' work. My son is doing the Rachel Ray thing this year whilst we sit back and watch...

Really? I heard she was getting divorced, but I didn't realize it was over your son. You should be proud. Or ashamed. I'm fuzzy on that whole thing anymore.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:37:53pm

re: #136 tfc3rid

It would be though.

165 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:38:21pm

re: #148 Honorary Yooper

I usually think of his first name as either Dickhead or Dickless, as the case may be at that time.

Actually, either or both are appropriate.

166 HDrepub  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:38:32pm

re: #112 tfc3rid

Anyone having some Turducken for Thanksgiving?

We're having pregnant turkey.

167 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:38:57pm

re: #139 jcm

"fundamentalist" nudists....

HAHAHAHA!

Wouldnt a fundamentalist wear a fig leaf?

168 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:01pm
169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:10pm

re: #157 MandyManners

I think of Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" video when I see that.

170 HDrepub  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:17pm

re: #148 Honorary Yooper

I usually think of his first name as either Dickhead or Dickless, as the case may be at that time.

Dickhead; genus, homo erectus, the final stage in the evolution of a prick.

171 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:29pm

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

But you are now electorally wed to him for Richard, for poorer...

/the hand of the Master
*grin*

172 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:30pm

re: #162 debutaunt

The tv cooking shows all seem to break the rules about 'transfer of germs' and adequate hand washing. Lousy example.

Yeah, with the exception of Gordon Ramsey. Man, when he runs into that stuff they have to bleep every other word.

:-)

173 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:34pm
174 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:42pm

Would an agnostic nudist wear clothes?

175 Eowyn2  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:40:53pm

re: #146 FurryOldGuyJeans

MREs I can see, but airline food?!? *BLECH*

I was always one that wanted to cook even as a youngster. I had to get school district permission to be allowed to take Home Ec in high school. I was told only girls did cooking. When one district board member said only gays cooked that woke the rest of the board up to the idiocy of the restriction. So I was allowed to take Home Ec with 22 girls.

Got ribbed about that by guys who knew me, "hahahahah, cooking!" All I had to do was, "hahahahaha, me and 22 girls!" That made a few guys want to sign up for Home Ec next trimester. In fact so many guys signed up the school had to start a guy only class, I was still "stuck" with 22 girls. ;)

they wouldnt let me take wood shop which really really torqued me.

176 opnion  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:41:26pm

re: #159 Rancher

He's their stomp on the flag hero.

As sick as that little puppy Ayers is, his wife might be worse.

177 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:43:13pm

re: #174 Silhouette

Would an agnostic nudist wear clothes?

I don't know?

178 Dave_Da_Kid  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:43:43pm

re: #64 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always been a firm believer that if I am going to fire one round I will empty the clip as needed.

I always practice to double tap my target. Two quick rounds, chest and head. .45ACP, better than potato chips. I just can't stop at one....

179 XMarine  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:44:06pm

The Internet has long since been hijacked by criminals and terrorists.

Over 90% of all packets going through Internet routers are either spam, port scans, viruses or other malware.

180 HDrepub  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:45:14pm

re: #128 eschew_obfuscation

Heh.... the local L3 loonies, Nebraskans for Peace, are calling for UNL to apologize to Ayres for disinviting him to speak at the Education College earlier this month. They also want one of the regents fired for objecting to Ayres' visit.

Ayers should apologize to America for being an unrepentant domestic terrorist and a Marxist asshat who hates the country he lives in. He should become a reconstructed conservative afterwards to atone for his many errors in judgment, not to mention crimes. Did I mention the only reason he and Bernardine are married is because no one else would have them for a spouses?

181 Rednek  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:45:25pm

re: #179 XMarine

The Internet has long since been hijacked by criminals and terrorists.

Over 90% of all packets going through Internet routers are either spam, port scans, viruses or other malware.

Of the remaining 10%, 90% is p0rn.

182 96RoadKing  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:47:02pm

re: #94 Iron Fist

Thanks for the advice, but the Sig's don't fit well in my hand for some reason. I like the H&K's in .40. For home defense, I've settled on the tried & true Remington 870 with a pistol grip and for further out I picked up a Rock River Arms in .223 with a Leupold sight & 30 round clips. I'm awaiting the Kahr .380, and I'm thinking of something in .308 or 30-06, but I need more info and advice in that area.

183 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:49:08pm

re: #178 Dave_Da_Kid

I always practice to double tap my target. Two quick rounds, chest and head. .45ACP, better than potato chips. I just can't stop at one....

Hmmm...IIRC, isn't that known as the "Rhodesian Drill"?

184 jcm  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:50:57pm

re: #178 Dave_Da_Kid

I always practice to double tap my target. Two quick rounds, chest and head. .45ACP, better than potato chips. I just can't stop at one....

That's my training, two round, evaluate, repeat as necessary.

Never enough ammo, or time on the range is there?

185 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:56:11pm

re: #183 subsailor68

Mozambique drill

186 subsailor68  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 12:59:45pm

re: #185 Iron Fist

Mozambique drill

Cool! Hey, we both get to be right. From the article:

The Mozambique Drill (also known as the Failure Drill, Rhodesian Drill or 2+1 Drill) instructs the shooter to place a double-tap in the center of mass, followed by a carefully aimed head shot.

:-)

187 XMarine  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:00:28pm

I've always preferred two to the body, one to the head.

Three's the charm.

Of course if you hit him with a .53 Cal Mine ball, one usually does it.

188 Rednek  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:03:05pm

re: #185 Iron Fist

Mozambique drill

Interesting.

Learn something new every day.

189 96RoadKing  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:03:53pm

BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM

Nice grouping!

190 Silhouette  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:04:58pm

re: #185 Iron Fist

Mozambique drill

Their national flag has a gun on it.

191 edr  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:13:30pm

Hmmmmm.

All of this nonsense would end in 5 minutes flat with one simple change.

A valid phone number registered with each CC, the CC company calling that number and a verbal verification of the transaction.

192 rawmuse  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:14:45pm

re: #49 96RoadKing

The Tripopolitan Pirates were shaking down nations in the 1800's and making a tidy sum. Until Jefferson sent a ship over and the Marines had a nice non-verbal communication with them ('to the shores of Tripoli'). Blackmail just breeds more blackmail, while judicial use of unfettered force disabuses people if 'inappropriate' behavior.

BTW, if you ever visit Monticello (and I hope you all do, it is a must see) you will see a small Koran on a reading pedestal in Jefferson's study. Some scholars say he was intrigued by the religion. BS, he was doing opposition research. He wanted to see what motivated his adversaries.

193 SunshineGirl  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:16:45pm

Hackers exhibiting patience? Something is wrong with that concept-- patience requires maturity, putting the needs of others first, and even altruism. Those character traits are as attractive to hackers as Fiscal discipline and judicial restraint are to liberal democrats... there must be an oxymoron in here somewhere... do you suppose these hackers will next try to pass themselves off as "ethical hackers'? Egad!

194 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:19:04pm

Thanks to $sys$_Sony, criminals' jobs are ever so much easier.

I just spend a week cleaning up a friend's laptop that had been infected by XCP crap (Sony rootkit, etc) and other bad stuff.
/Rant off

195 Iron Fist  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:26:18pm

re: #182 96RoadKing

You'll find more options if you go with the .308 than if you go with the .30-06. About the only thing you can get in the latter caliber is a Garand (if you can find one). There is a company that makes a semi-automatic BAR, but it is very pricey (around four grand).

Probably the most economical weapon in this caliber would be an FAL of some sort. You can find parts kits that have been built on a semi-auto receiver for less than a thousand dollars. The FAL was manufactured by a number of countries all over the world, including Israel (I like the Israeli HBAR FAL). While they aren't as common as they used to be, an FAL is a good strong weapon at an affordable price.

You could go with an H&K 91. They are very good, although the recoil is a bit heavier than an FALs. That is just the nature of the way the H&K action works. They are very reliable, but they also tend to be pricey. You're probably looking at dropping a couple of grand if you can find one for sale at all. Ceteme rifles are similar in design to the H&K, but I don't think the quality is as good as a German manufactured weapon.

Another option would be an M-14 based design. Springfield Armory makes a few different variants of this rifle. They are, generally speaking, well made weapons. You want to stay away from Polytech M-14s (Chinese). They have problems with their receiver not being properly hardened.

Also, Armalite makes an AR-10 weapon that is based on the AR-15/M-16 design except upscaled for the heavier round. I've never heard anything but good things about Armalite as a company. I'm really interested in their AR-30 in .338 Lapua magnum. That is a real "reach out and touch someone" piece of work.

196 Gretchen  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 1:40:37pm

OT

Any "24" watchers out there? I loved the characterization of the UN last night. I can't believe they allow the writers to work in Hollywood. Classic.

197 Cognito  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 2:52:31pm

re: #196 Gretchen

That's because the series creator is extremely conservative.

198 96RoadKing  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 3:25:55pm

re: #195 Iron Fist

Thanks very much for the input. I'll be putting it in my 'research' file.

199 Semi Cartman  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 4:40:41pm

re: #116 Iron Fist

Almost as good as Dick Durbin (D-al Qaeda). There's a man who lives up to his name.


Hey, that's my senator yer talking about there. You grossly overestimate him.

200 rumcrook  Mon, Nov 24, 2008 5:20:56pm

re: #182 96RoadKing

for 308 in a military styled rifle it has to be an fal clone they have it all going for them the history and exellent design. I would go with DSA, it will be in the 1400 dollar range. atlantic has a servicable fal rifle for under a grand 800+), I had one I built with an imported chilean military parts kit, I loved it. for a firearms colector who likes historical pieces from the military realm a 308 in an fal fits the bill.

201 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:19:55am

re: #161 Outrider

I've always thought all guys should learn the basics of cooking, sewing, cleaning.

Conversely, all gals should learn the basics of patching holes in walls, repairing windows, fixing the heater, fixing a leaking pipe, screen repair, changing the oil in a car... etc........

Got news for ya - ALL of my kids cook, clean, sew, do rudimentary repair work, know how to change oil, AND change a tire in the rain in the dark. I didn't want 'em growing up stunted...

(I did take pity on them about changing the tire in the rain - it was done in our dirveway, not on a slanted hill in the mud, but I got 'em to realize what they were doing. I simply watched them to make sure they didn't do something unsafe/stupid. It got to where they could change a tire in under 5 minutes!)

JAFLW

/am I mean, or what?


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