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ElBaradei Springs Into Action, Declares Syria 'Innocent Until Proven Guilty'

World | Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:06:58 am PST

The UN’s blind watchdog Mohamed ElBaradei is pushing hard to continue helping the Syrians build a nuclear reactor, despite new evidence that they were conducting a clandestine nuclear project. ElBaradei says that just like individuals, countries should be considered innocent until proven guilty: ‘Don’t prejudge Syrian nuclear program.’

“There are claims against Iraq, which proved to be bonkers, but only after a terrible war,” ElBaradei said after the US and its allies questioned Syria’s right to his agency’s help in planning a power-producing atomic reactor.

“There is one thing called investigation, another called clear-cut proof of innocence or guilt ... and all of you, even if you are not lawyers, know that people and countries are innocent until proven guilty,” he said. ...

Syria denies hiding nuclear activities. But the report strengthened both concerns that it might have something to conceal and arguments from the US and its allies that Damascus should not be offered agency help in planning its civilian reactor. Beyond helping the Syrians develop expertise, the $350,000 aid project would send the wrong signal about a country under investigation by the IAEA, critics like the Americans argued.

In Washington, US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said it was “totally inappropriate, we believe, given the fact that Syria is under investigation by the IAEA for building a nuclear reactor outside the bounds of its international legal commitments.” ...

But ElBaradei disagreed, saying there was no legal basis to cancel or postpone the program.

Commenting on ElBaradei’s scrappy stance, a senior diplomat with good connections to IAEA staff said the agency chief personally sent text messages to key aides telling them to stand tough on the Syria issue. He demanded anonymity because his information was privileged.

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:08:35am
2 bosforus  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:08:54am

Unreal. You don't give the person saying "I'm going to shoot you" a gun.

3 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:09:20am
“There is one thing called investigation, another called clear-cut proof of innocence or guilt ... and all of you, even if you are not lawyers, know that people and countries are innocent until proven guilty,” he said.

He's making sh!t up.

4 CapeCoddah  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:09:21am

More like a blind watch gerbil.

5 vapig  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:09:23am

The were mighty silent when Israel wiped it out. I mean, the usual war crimes charge was conspicuously missing in this incident, wasn't it?

6 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:09:35am

Isn't there more than enough evidence out there to prove that Syria is guity? ElBaradei, stop being a tool.

7 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:09:37am

So a large nuclear facility being built in the middle of Syria isn't evidence enough? What about Syria's support of Hamas? Or is that just their version of Lebannese peacekeepers?

ElBaradei's more than a useful idiot.

8 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:09:42am

Personally I would say that any oil rich middle east country that says it wants a nuclear reactor for the energy is lying. They don't need it for energy. They have all the oil they need to keep their third world infrastructure running just fine.

9 Pyrocles  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:10:02am

A man named "Mohamed" running the IAEA... Don't wanna be an "Islamaphobe", but can't help but be suspicious...

10 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:10:17am

Of course Syria doesn't have a nuclear program......

Thanks to the IAF.

11 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:10:30am

re: #6 MrSilverDragon

Isn't there more than enough evidence out there to prove that Syria is guity? ElBaradei, stop being a tool.

He's a tool all right, a tool of Iran, IMHO.

12 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:11:01am

Especially when the evidence is a bunch of radioactive junk now.

13 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:11:02am

Crazed Islamic terrorist supporting state with a nuclear reactor.

What could possibly go wrong?

14 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:12:00am

re: #13 CIA Reject

Crazed Islamic terrorist supporting state with a nuclear reactor.

What could possibly go wrong?

The work accidents will be pretty spectacular.

15 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:12:44am

re: #14 jcm

The work accidents will be pretty spectacular.

Hopefully somebody on our side is making sure of that...

16 Golem Akbar  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:13:02am

It's too obvious.

17 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:13:03am

re: #9 Pyrocles

A man named "Mohamed" running the IAEA... Don't wanna be an "Islamaphobe", but can't help but be suspicious...

Well, people (dopes more like it) voted for barak obama here.

18 ROPMA  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:14:25am

The UN’s blind watchdogpuppy Mohamed ElBaradei is pushing hard to continue helping the Syrians build a nuclear reactor,

fixed it

19 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:14:30am

The silent Jihad has won. It owns the UN and it's agencies.

20 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:14:36am
the agency chief personally sent text messages to key aides telling them to stand tough on the Syria issue

OMG r u 4 real my BFF chinless sez they r clean.

cul8r
-Mo

21 opnion  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:15:04am

Oh so he would want more proof after the Germans bombed pearl Harbor, I suppose.

22 Golem Akbar  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:15:18am

re: #20 Shug

OMG r u 4 real my BFF chinless sez they r clean.

cul8r
-Mo


heh

23 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:15:25am

re: #15 CIA Reject

Hopefully somebody on our side is making sure of that...

That's the nice thing, the 509th does a little job, and we say; Ohh! your reactor blew to hell and gone, but those things can be tricky and the Russians advising you had problems with that, sooo sorry.

24 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:15:36am

When it comes to nuclear weapons, wouldn't the prudent course of action be to assume the country is working on them until they have proven they arent?

IAEA. First against the wall when the balloon goes up.

25 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:16:04am

Let's get this straight. The IAEA waited 9 months before deciding to actually check and see what the Syrians were doing at the site of the Sept. 6 airstrike, and they found that it had been scrubbed. They still managed to detect uranium in the area, but no way to tell if it was part of the weapons systems used to destroy it or part of a Syrian nuclear facility. The Syrians didn't exactly cooperate either, limiting access to the site and related areas and facilities.

Let's also ignore that the Syrians wasted no time trying to scrub the site clear of any and all rubble associated with the attack. They also didn't exactly raise a stink about what would ordinarily be an act of war because they would be giving attention to the fact that the Israelis indeed hit a major Syrian facility. You don't try to scrub the site clean of all rubble unless it held strategic significance - or was highly radioactive and the need to bury it was paramount lest anyone pick up the fact that the Syrians were busy dabbling in nuclear tech.

This situation stinks to hell and back, and while the IAEA continues to cover for Syria (just as it does for Iran and even the Iraqis and North Koreans before them), Israel had no such luxury.

26 opnion  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:17:35am

re: #17 VegasRick

Well, people (dopes more like it) voted for barak obama here.


If Obama ends his inauguration speech with 'Allah Akbar" is it racist or Islamophobic to notice?

27 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:18:32am

re: #26 opnion

If Obama ends his inauguration speech with 'Allah Akbar" is it racist or Islamophobic to notice?

lefties will call us meanies.

28 Golem Akbar  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:18:44am

Occam sez El Baredei is lying.

29 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:18:55am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

No. People are innocent until proven guilty. Countries--most of them, anyway--are guilty until proven innocent.

And America is always guilty, no matter what.

/according to the UN- and leftist, socialist, communist, or terrorist countries

30 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:20:18am

re: #28 Golem Akbar

Occam sez El Baredei is lying.

He is arab and his lips are moving.
just sayin.

31 Russkilitlover  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:20:34am

You know, we've all been talking about what to do about Iran's nuclear program but it seems like Syria is motoring along on a fast track to nuclear capabilities. Haven't heard much from our elected folks about Syria.

32 AuntAcid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:21:16am

"What's up Doc?"

33 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:21:33am

If millions of lives, peace in the Middle East, and peace around the world weren't at stake, this might make a Mel Brooks comedy? As it is, all I want to do is puke.

34 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:22:22am

There are claims against Iraq, which proved to be bonkers, but only after a terrible war,”

F U Mo...

35 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:23:00am

Oooops!So sorry!
But who would have thought that little toolbag from the space shuttle could survive weentry and wand wight on your wittle weactor!
in it's most sensitive wittle spot too! Huum?
Oopsy!
Oh? You say it was a missle?
Impossible!

36 pegcity  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:23:24am

So when Telaviv is a smoking crater will the IAEA declare that Syria and Iran might have been conducting clandestine nuclear activities?

37 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:23:57am

re: #36 pegcity

So when Telaviv is a smoking crater will the IAEA declare that Syria and Iran might have been conducting clandestine nuclear activities?

Strongly worded letter from the UN...

38 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:24:03am

re: #34 tfc3rid

There are claims against Iraq, which proved to be bonkers, but only after a terrible war, all the nuclear material had been moved to Syria

F U Mo...

Indeed!

39 Death from Above  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:24:21am

it's ok, Obama is going to bring peace to all. Syria won't need nukes anymore.

//

40 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:24:39am

re: #36 pegcity

So when Telaviv is a smoking crater will the IAEA declare that Syria and Iran might have been conducting clandestine nuclear activities?

Allah caused the Joo bomb to go off, it will be Allah's justice on the ape and pigs....
///////////////

41 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:24:55am

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

No. People are innocent until proven guilty. Countries--most of them, anyway--are guilty until proven innocent.

Um. The entire "guilty till proven innocent" thing is an American concept, which only applies to an American courtroom, during a CRIMINAL proceeding.

42 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:24:56am

re: #37 tfc3rid

Strongly worded letter from the UN...

...addressed to the Israeli PM.

/

43 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:24:57am

re: #36 pegcity

So when Telaviv is a smoking crater will the IAEA declare that Syria and Iran might have been conducting clandestine nuclear activities?

If Tel Aviv is ever touched ( and I pray it is not ) besides a few neighbors in the Middle East, I hope Israel targets IAEA headquarters also.

44 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:25:06am

re: #37 tfc3rid

They need a strongly worded Chris Rock letter!
"I wouldn't do that fucked up shit if I were you" Just sayin!

45 Golem Akbar  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:25:07am

re: #31 Russkilitlover

You know, we've all been talking about what to do about Iran's nuclear program but it seems like Syria is motoring along on a fast track to nuclear capabilities. Haven't heard much from our elected folks about Syria.


I can't find the link, but I read somewhere (help anyone?) that if Iran tries to bomb Israel, Israeli rockets will be able to knock out the nukes before it strikes Israel, and the fallout will be over Arab countries. Also, I believe that that is the reason Israel will not allow Syria to have nukes, since they are right next door, and fallout will be over Israel.

46 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:25:16am

re: #39 Death from Above

it's ok, Obama is going to bring peace to all. Syria won't need nukes anymore.

//

I still think we should give them one, or two.

47 Right mind left  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:25:30am

What about Syria whining about Saudi Arabia and the nice things they are saying about Israel and US?

[Link: www.memri.org...]
Website Affiliated with Syrian Government Lambastes Saudi Arabia


Recently, the already troubled relations between Syria and Saudi Arabia have deteriorated further, following harsh attacks on Saudi Arabia in the Syrian press. These attacks were a reaction to the Interfaith Dialogue Conference held recently in New York, which was initiated by the Saudi king and which included Israeli conferees, and to the renewed discussion of the (Saudi) Arab Peace Initiative for resolving the Middle East conflict.

As part of the attacks, the website Champress (www.champress.net), which is affiliated with the Syrian government, published a photo of Saudi King 'Abdullah apparently drinking a toast with U.S. President George W. Bush, as well as an article critical of the Saudi king accompanied by an offensive image depicting him as a camel.

In response to the criticism evoked by the Syrian media campaign against Saudi Arabia, Champress editor 'Ali Jamalo published, also on the website, an even more provocative piece justifying the attacks and stating that Syrians must not remain silent in the face of the Saudi attempts to "undermine Syria's stability."

48 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:26:03am
“There are claims against Iraq, which proved to be bonkers, but only after a terrible war,”

More revisionist history. It was claimed that Iraq had a WMD program. And they did. Now they don't.

49 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:26:14am

re: #38 CIA Reject

You are correct sir! Yes!

50 pegcity  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:26:27am

I can't see Iran wanting to try out an untested nuke on a north korean missle that has a track record of blowing up 100% of the time.

im expecting a large "seismic" anomaly in Iran soon.

51 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:26:47am

re: #39 Death from Above

it's ok, Obama is going to bring peace to all. Syria won't need nukes anymore.

//

If we give up all of our nukes, our enemies will no longer see the need to develop their own...

52 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:26:59am

re: #50 pegcity

they had one a month ago actually. They stated it was a Nuke test. The world ignored it. (IIRC)

53 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:27:14am

re: #42 Fat Jolly Penguin

...addressed to the Israeli PM.

/

Not that much sarc...

54 Fat Jolly Penguin  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:27:53am

re: #53 tfc3rid

Not that much sarc...

I realized I shouldn't have put it in there after I posted, unfortunately.

55 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:28:03am

Next I suppose he'll say countries have the right to a trial by jury, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to not be tried twice for the same offense.

I guess the SCOTUS decision about applying the American Constitution to the whole world is taking roots.

(Most already think they have electors in the US presidential election.)

56 pegcity  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:28:18am

re: #45 Golem Akbar

I can't find the link, but I read somewhere (help anyone?) that if Iran tries to bomb Israel, Israeli rockets will be able to knock out the nukes before it strikes Israel, and the fallout will be over Arab countries. Also, I believe that that is the reason Israel will not allow Syria to have nukes, since they are right next door, and fallout will be over Israel.

that's assuming Irans missles are anywhere near its targets, which i doubt, they are much more likely to explode over their own airspace or Syria.

57 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:28:38am

re: #52 WrathofG-d

they had one a month ago actually. They stated it was a Nuke test. The world ignored it. (IIRC)

I must have missed that...

58 zelnaga  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:28:55am

That you're presumed innocent doesn't mean you don't have to cooperate with investigators. If you destroy evidence, that's obstruction of justice, and although law enforcement may not be able to get you on the original charges, once you've destroyed the evidence, you've given them a whole new set of charges they can use against you.

Of course, then again, Syria's laws are probably different, and even in the US judicial system, I'm not sure how one reconciles obstruction of justice with freedom from self incrimination as provided for by the fifth amendment.

59 Golem Akbar  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:29:07am

re: #56 pegcity

that's assuming Irans missles are anywhere near its targets, which i doubt, they are much more likely to explode over their own airspace or Syria.


Sounds like a plan to me.

60 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:29:13am

re: #55 Silhouette

Next I suppose he'll say countries have the right to a trial by jury, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to not be tried twice for the same offense.

I guess the SCOTUS decision about applying the American Constitution to the whole world is taking roots.

(Most already think they have electors in the US presidential election.)

Well if the most recent election is any example they can make unlimited campaign contributions...

61 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:29:17am

I'd love to hear thought from you legal beagles on the premise of a country being innocent until proven guilty. There's got to be some great logic that el Baradai ignores here.

I mean, other than a country is not a human being, and therefore not granted inalienable rights by its creator.

*drive-by*

62 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:29:20am

Wood chippers-TRUE
Rape-TRUE
Torture-TRUE
Maniacal Dictator-TRUE
Money for Terror Bombers-TRUE
Totally Oppressed Society-TRUE
WMD's-Never Found (Even Saddams generals believed they existed)

Who the FUCK is BONKERS!

Not Bush!

63 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:29:30am

re: #55 Silhouette

Next I suppose he'll say countries have the right to a trial by jury, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to not be tried twice for the same offense.

I guess the SCOTUS decision about applying the American Constitution to the whole world is taking roots.

(Most already think they have electors in the US presidential election.)

Well, Obama DID win the EV's in England, Germany, France, Italy, etc...

64 pat  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:30:15am

No Israeli is ever presumed innocent.

65 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:30:19am

thoughts

PIFW

66 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:30:21am

re: #45 Golem Akbar

I can't find the link, but I read somewhere (help anyone?) that if Iran tries to bomb Israel, Israeli rockets will be able to knock out the nukes before it strikes Israel, and the fallout will be over Arab countries. Also, I believe that that is the reason Israel will not allow Syria to have nukes, since they are right next door, and fallout will be over Israel.

The Arrow....
Problem is you can hit incoming, but it doesn't stop it dead and drops out of the sky. You have lots of pieces heading in all kinds of directions including still on course close to the original course. But case the warhead stays intact and primary doesn't detonate, if you blow the warhead apart you get all the uranium coming down all over the the place, which is far preferable to a nuclear detonation.

67 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:30:35am

re: #64 pat

No Israeli is ever presumed innocent.

CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

68 Russkilitlover  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:30:44am

re: #52 WrathofG-d

they had one a month ago actually. They stated it was a Nuke test. The world ignored it. (IIRC)

The epicenter was under water. Iran has no where near that capability. Not a nuke test. They wanted everyone to think it was a nuke test to up the fear factor, but it was a plan ol' earthquake - which if the epicenter was on land in Iran, and measured anywhere above a 3.0 would have led to the collapse of many buildings and thousands of deaths.

69 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:31:08am

re: #36 pegcity

So when Telaviv is a smoking crater will the IAEA declare that Syria and Iran might have been conducting clandestine nuclear activities?

Yeah, 6 to 9 months later...

JAFLW

70 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:32:28am

re: #62 IslandLibertarian

Wood chippers-TRUE
Rape-TRUE
Torture-TRUE
Maniacal Dictator-TRUE
Money for Terror Bombers-TRUE
Totally Oppressed Society-TRUE
WMD's-Never Found (Even Saddams generals believed they existed)

Who the FUCK is BONKERS!

Not Bush!

WMD, bit's and pieces found. The question is he had them, used them, declared them....
Where the fuck are they?

71 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:33:33am

re: #66 jcm

The Arrow....
Problem is you can hit incoming, but it doesn't stop it dead and drops out of the sky. You have lots of pieces heading in all kinds of directions including still on course close to the original course. But case the warhead stays intact and primary doesn't detonate, if you blow the warhead apart you get all the uranium coming down all over the the place, which is far preferable to a nuclear detonation.

And of course a small country like Israel with it citizens crowded into perhaps just 3 large population centers, there is NO margin for error or misses.

72 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:33:51am

re: #70 jcm

WMD, bit's and pieces found. The question is he had them, used them, declared them....
Where the fuck are they?

Ah, in Syria?

73 Russkilitlover  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:33:57am

re: #70 jcm

WMD, bit's and pieces found. The question is he had them, used them, declared them....
Where the fuck are they?

Um....Syria? I would really like to know what was in that six week long convoy from Iraq to Syria during our buildup.

74 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:34:33am

re: #26 opnion

Both. It's probably homophobic as well. Or even phobiaphobic.

75 transient  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:34:41am

They've BEEN proven guilty.
What more evidence does he want? A tearful mea culpa from Bashar?
A flock of flying pigs?

76 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:35:07am

re: #72 CIA Reject

Ah, in Syria?

Or buried somewhere in the desert along with the crew that buried them.

Syria's the safe bet.

77 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:36:02am

But what happens when the only way to definitively prove that Syria is guilty is after they have tried to wipe Israel off the map hmmm...They seem to be the only ones benefiting from the benefit of doubt....

This is getting scary I hope BHO takes a hard line against nuclear proliferation before Israel is forced too...

78 sadhu  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:36:07am

El Baddy is totally in Iran's pocket too

79 transient  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:36:08am

re: #66 jcm

The Arrow....
Problem is you can hit incoming, but it doesn't stop it dead and drops out of the sky. You have lots of pieces heading in all kinds of directions including still on course close to the original course. But case the warhead stays intact and primary doesn't detonate, if you blow the warhead apart you get all the uranium coming down all over the the place, which is far preferable to a nuclear detonation.

In that case you have to make sure the warhead is hit over Damascus.

80 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:36:18am

re: #76 jcm

Or buried somewhere in the desert along with the crew that buried them.

Syria's the safe bet.

If it's a sure thing, it's not betting, jcm...

JAFLW

81 Tarkus289  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:36:38am

Bekkah valley.

82 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #73 Russkilitlover

Um....Syria? I would really like to know what was in that six week long convoy from Iraq to Syria during our buildup.

The thing that astounds me is the lack of follow up with the Bush Lied crowd.

I use that line, "had them, used them, declared them" they absolutely refuse to consider the question. I have not found a single lefty yet with the intellectual honest to consider "where are they?"

83 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:37:04am

re: #34 tfc3rid

Five hundred metric tons of bonkers. I wonder if this joker likes coffee with his yellowcake?

84 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:37:26am

re: #73 Russkilitlover

Um....Syria? I would really like to know what was in that six week long convoy from Iraq to Syria during our buildup.

You mean that six month long "rush" to war?

85 fortunate son  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:37:39am

I know this will sound a bit like a right wing ‘troofer’ but, remember back when everybody was completely sure that Iraq had WMDs.

I still believe the intelligence agencies of many countries were correct. I always thought that the Iraqis moved their gear to Syria when the U.S. invasion seemed imminent to them. We never found anything because it was moved to Syria to begin their, now somewhat apparent, nuclear program.

I was wondering if anyone else gives any validity of this scenario. After all, the IAF bombed something. Speaking of which, why wasn’t that event given more publicity, either outrage by Syria or Kudos by us.

All of this seems odd.

86 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:37:44am

re: #80 Just Another Four-letter Word

If it's a sure thing, it's not betting, jcm...

JAFLW

There is a corner of my garage I haven't seen in a long time.....
;-P

87 pegcity  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:37:46am

re: #77 GOPManHatTanIte

But what happens when the only way to definitively prove that Syria is guilty is after they have tried to wipe Israel off the map hmmm...They seem to be the only ones benefiting from the benefit of doubt....

This is getting scary I hope BHO takes a hard line against nuclear proliferation before Israel is forced too...

LOL

the guy has never taken a hard line against anything, except a straw to blow.

88 transient  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:37:49am

re: #76 jcm

Syria's the safe bet.

I've also heard Bekaa valley, presumably under Syrian and/or Hezbollah guardianship.

89 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:38:22am

re: #70 jcm

WMD, bit's and pieces found. The question is he had them, used them, declared them....
Where the fuck are they?

Innocent Syria?

90 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:38:54am

re: #89 IslandLibertarian

Innocent Syria?

Oxymoron!

91 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #86 jcm

There is a corner of my garage I haven't seen in a long time.....
;-P

...and I bet (!) it smells of ozone...

JAFLW

92 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:40:29am

I've asked this before & I'll ask again: Has Mohammad El-Baradei EVER found WMD?

(ever in a Muslim/Arab country?)

93 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:40:55am

re: #87 pegcity

I wonder if he BHO can talk the Syrian and Iranian warheads out of the sky...then he can cut defense spending for silly things like THADD and Star Wars I wonder if he BHO can talk the Syrian and Iranian warheads out of the sky...then he can cut defense spending for silly things like THADD and Star Wars

94 fortunate son  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:41:37am

Opps, I should of hit the new comments button, folks post fast. Others do think WMDS were moved.

Why didn't we investigate this more?

95 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:41:44am

re: #92 WrathofG-d

I've asked this before & I'll ask again: Has Mohammad El-Baradei EVER found WMD?

(ever in a Muslim/Arab country?)

He probably claims credit for Qaddafi's panicky surrender of his weapons to President Bush.

96 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:41:47am

re: #85 fortunate son

I know this will sound a bit like a right wing ‘troofer’ but, remember back when everybody was completely sure that Iraq had WMDs.

I still believe the intelligence agencies of many countries were correct. I always thought that the Iraqis moved their gear to Syria when the U.S. invasion seemed imminent to them. We never found anything because it was moved to Syria to begin their, now somewhat apparent, nuclear program.

I was wondering if anyone else gives any validity of this scenario. After all, the IAF bombed something. Speaking of which, why wasn’t that event given more publicity, either outrage by Syria or Kudos by us.

All of this seems odd.

It was pretty clear the IAF's target was a Nuclear program. Israel intel got pics from inside. Which are consistent with nuclear activities, plus my guess is our or Israel's rad sniffers got a good nose full of radiation signatures.

97 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:42:31am

re: #92 WrathofG-d

It's not his job to find WMD. It is his job to help countries cover up what they have. He's doing a bang-up job of it...

98 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:42:39am
99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:42:55am

re: #92 WrathofG-d

I've asked this before & I'll ask again: Has Mohammad El-Baradei EVER found WMD? (ever in a Muslim/Arab country?)

No, but Hans did...

Kim Jong Il: Hans Brix? Oh no! Oh, herro. Great to see you again, Hans!
Hans Blix: Mr. Il, I was supposed to be allowed to inspect your palace today, but your guards won't let me enter certain areas.
Kim Jong Il: Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. I don't have any weapons of mass destwuction, OK Hans?
Hans Blix: Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or else what?
Hans Blix: Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.
Kim Jong Il: OK, Hans. I'll show you. Stand to your reft.
Hans Blix: [Moves to the left]
Kim Jong Il: A rittle more.
Hans Blix: [Moves to the left again]
Kim Jong Il: Good.

100 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:43:30am

Dates of Vienna has another very long winded post advocating genocide and ethnic cleansing.

101 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:43:34am

re: #97 Iron Fist

It's not his job to find WMD. It is his job to help countries cover up what they have. He's doing a bang-up job of it...

I wish you wouldn't use bang in this context........
;-)

102 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:44:30am

re: #99 Walter L. Newton


Those south park guys Matt and Trey GENIUS!


O Hello Prease

103 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:45:28am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

They're going to give genocide and ethnic cleansing a bad name...

104 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:45:33am

Would it be ironic if Iran tested a nuke deep underground and cracked the wrong spot in the tectonic plates causing massive earthquakes throughout their own country? Granted it's highly unlikely but still...

Yes, ElB' he is a tool who is working hard to not do his actual job etc... be a real shame if he were rotated out of his job and someone else, mebbe oh I don't know mebbe Mr. Bolton were put in charge of the program instead...

105 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:45:43am

re: #98 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you for the correction to my typo, and it was not my intent to correct you.

I was only attempting to point out that "Innocent until proven guilty" is not a universal, international, humanist concept that applies to everything (like freedom of speech) but instead a very broad label with a very specific definition.

There is no "innocent till proven guilty" standard anywhere but the American Criminal court system.

106 Opinionated  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:46:15am

We will soon forget about Syrian nuclear ambitions when Iran has the Bomb and- in keeping with the Obama era mantra- will spread it around to all its terrorist allies.

107 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:46:34am

re: #105 WrathofG-d

Innocent until full of radiation

108 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:47:11am
109 LC LaWedgie  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:47:56am

Scrappy?
Oh great, another Hamas puppet.

110 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:48:21am

re: #105 WrathofG-d

You're correct, and it's an odd turn of phrase in this situation. It implies that Syria is a criminal defendant on trial. With Syria's murderous history in Lebanon and elsewhere, it's fair more pragmatic to say that they're guilty until proven innocent.

111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:48:58am

re: #102 GOPManHatTanIte

Those south park guys Matt and Trey GENIUS!


O Hello Prease

Hans Brix, you are worthress!

112 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:49:33am

re: #111 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

MATT DAMON!

113 Opinionated  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:50:01am

re: #105 WrathofG-d

Thank you for the correction to my typo, and it was not my intent to correct you.

I was only attempting to point out that "Innocent until proven guilty" is not a universal, international, humanist concept that applies to everything (like freedom of speech) but instead a very broad label with a very specific definition.

There is no "innocent till proven guilty" standard anywhere but the American Criminal court system.

And the Arabs have learned that when speaking to the West they speak in terms the West understands and concepts the West cherishes.

And then they laugh at how naive we are.

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:50:06am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Dates of Vienna has another very long winded post advocating genocide and ethnic cleansing.

I read the first article on the front page, which seems to reference a longer article on the subject.

It seems that the writer is giving a glancing approval of genocide, at least in the sense implying if the Muslims don't just disappear, then that's what's going to happen.

I say glancing, since he never indicates anywhere that if it came to genocide, that it would be a terrible solution.

115 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:50:27am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Dates of Vienna has another very long winded post advocating genocide and ethnic cleansing.


Seems like an odd way to promote an online dating service, if you ask me.

116 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:50:49am
117 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:51:16am

re: #108 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly. Thank you for this international clarification.

What I fear with this construct is that it creates an impossible scenario. The IAEA will continuously claims that they dont' have "enough" evidence, until it is obvious over Tel-Aviv. If they don't have enough evidence now (the site shows signs of Uranium, it was in the shape of the NK Nuclear reactor, they know NK scientists were visiting Syria, etc.), when exactly will they?

The construct being created is even more frightening since we live in a world where most outside the U.S. believe there are no truths, and everything is open to discussion. If nothing can be proved......

118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:51:24am

re: #115 Occasional Reader

Seems like an odd way to promote an online dating service, if you ask me.

Dates of Rome or Rio might be more appealing, but there are some good looking Austrian women, I'm sure.

119 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:51:49am

re: #109 LC LaWedgie

Scrappy?
Oh great, another Hamas puppet.

Scrappy-al-Doo, the genocidally antisemitic anthropomorphic dog! (He's Scubi-al-Doo's less successful cousin)

120 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:52:26am

re: #94 fortunate son

Opps, I should of hit the new comments button, folks post fast. Others do think WMDS were moved.

Why didn't we investigate this more?

Around the time of the Iraq war, there were a lot of people saying WMDs were moved to Syria. Including an arms inspector, and an Iraq Air Force defector who said he knew specifically what planes they were on. And then there were the two trucks full of chemical weapons that were found in Jordan, on their way to terrorist attacks, supposedly having come from Syria.

It's possible that all of this was bogus information. But I've never understood why Hussein would have been so insistent on keeping the UN weapons inspectors out, ultimately leading to his own loss of power and then his own execution, if he had nothing to hide.

My feeling is that Bush just didn't have the political will to chase the WMDs down to what he knew to be their final location. He took a lot of heat for starting the Iraq war (obviously), and maybe he felt that he couldn't get away with starting another war against a country that hadn't attacked the U.S. Another possibility (the one I tend to favor) is that eradicating WMDs wasn't really so important to him, and he just needed a cover story for achieving regime change in Iraq. Maybe it's a little of column A, and a little of column B.

121 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:52:35am

re: #110 quickjustice

The United States legal system was set up with the idea that it is better for a guilty person to go free, than for an innocent person to be jailed. In the limited context of the type of crime one person can commit, this makes sense. When you are speaking about a Countries ability to murder millions of people in one swoop, I'm not sure this criteria should apply.

122 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:52:42am

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

He also said that we only went in because of the WMD; I pointed out that there were, what? 18 other items in the resolution Congress voted on?

These people are firmly convinced that Bush "kept changing his argument". You cannot talk them out of it by pointing to mere facts.

123 debutaunt  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:22am

re: #85 fortunate son

I know this will sound a bit like a right wing ‘troofer’ but, remember back when everybody was completely sure that Iraq had WMDs.

I still believe the intelligence agencies of many countries were correct. I always thought that the Iraqis moved their gear to Syria when the U.S. invasion seemed imminent to them. We never found anything because it was moved to Syria to begin their, now somewhat apparent, nuclear program.

I was wondering if anyone else gives any validity of this scenario. After all, the IAF bombed something. Speaking of which, why wasn’t that event given more publicity, either outrage by Syria or Kudos by us.

All of this seems odd.

Iraq had tons of yellowcake.

124 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:30am
125 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:33am

You know, we keep hearing that the inspectors found remnants of uranium.

What kind of uranium? Enriched? Depleted?

If it's depleted, it's from the weapons used to take out the structures because of its density and ability to penetrate reinforced structures. If it's enriched, it could come only from the facility itself (though I'm sure the Syrians will try to claim it was planted by the Zionists).

More thoughts here.

126 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:37am

re: #119 Occasional Reader

Dont worry I'm sure the Harlem Globe Trotters can find the Weapons Grade Plutonium with the help of those meddling kids

127 rexatosis  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:37am

In the case of Syria (and Iran) I propose we apply the concepts of the Napoleonic Code for two reasons: A) The left is always claiming the Europeans and their political culture are superior. B) The Napoleonic system assumes those under investigation are guilty until cleared by the courts. This way we aren't "imposing" our value system and the perps won't walk. Just trying to be culturally sensitive and sensible:)

128 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:49am

re: #113 Opinionated

That really is the point.....they need to be actually defeated.....the West just needs to be guilted into surrender.

129 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:53:55am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

The previous piece was the same thing. They kind of dance around the topic and hide their intentions buy burying it in these wordy tomes.

130 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:54:16am

re: #121 WrathofG-d

The United States legal system was set up with the idea that it is better for a guilty person to go free, than for an innocent person to be jailed

"It's better that a hundred guilty men go free, than that I should have to chase any of them."

-Chief Wiggum

131 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:54:46am

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

23 points on the Use of Force Declaration. Only 2 dealt with WMD.

132 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:55:21am

re: #120 Last Mohican

It's possible that all of this was bogus information. But I've never understood why Hussein would have been so insistent on keeping the UN weapons inspectors out, ultimately leading to his own loss of power and then his own execution, if he had nothing to hide.

A theory I've heard, which makes the most sense to me, is that most of Saddam's (we can't say Hussein anymore) WMD stockpiles were destroyed after Operation Desert Fox in 1998, but for Saddam to have declared that to be a fact would have invited an invasion from Iran. He rolled the dice & thought that playing games with the US was less dangerous than dealing with Iran. He was wrong.

133 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:55:24am

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

I'm glad he's not my lawyer. He doesn't sound like he's got his head bolted on straight.

134 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:56:00am

re: #118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Dates of Rome or Rio might be more appealing, but there are some good looking Austrian women, I'm sure.

"Zis is how ve say 'goodbye' in Austria.... [smooch]"

"And ZIS is how ve say 'goodbye' in Chur-many! [POW]"

-Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

135 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:56:43am

re: #120 Last Mohican

The most believable scenario I heard put forward was that the Russians help sneak the remaining WMDs out thru Syria and then on to Russia itself so they could never really be found.

136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:56:49am

re: #134 Occasional Reader

"Zis is how ve say 'goodbye' in Austria.... [smooch]"

"And ZIS is how ve say 'goodbye' in Chur-many! [POW]"

-Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

She chose... poorly.

137 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:57:48am

WHEW! I've been busy verbally stoning Michael Vick over at ESPN....

So...How do we get out of the UN anyway? I mean, that's really the issue here I think.
Why even bother listening to anything they say, do, steal, or rape?
Screw the lot of them, I say!

138 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:57:59am

re: #131 jcm

23 points on the Use of Force Declaration. Only 2 dealt with WMD.

Here is the actual text of the "AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002." I had never read it before. It's interesting.

139 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:58:12am
140 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:58:12am

re: #126 GOPManHatTanIte

Dont worry I'm sure the Harlem Globe Trotters can find the Weapons Grade Plutonium with the help of those meddling kids

As the head of the Cali cartel exclaimed after his attempt to monopolize the Colombian cocaine business was thwarted by a young Pablo Escobar and his crew: "... and I've have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for those Medellin kids!"

141 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:58:40am

re: #136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #136 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She chose... poorly.

"How did you Know"

Peter Griffen- "Well I assumed the Coffee mug with the Name Jesus on it..."

142 poopeedoo  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 10:59:09am

Does UN stand for Unreal Nut-jobs? Oy!

143 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:00:13am

re: #126 GOPManHatTanIte

OT-Pens fan here. Lundqvist is a beast! He's on my fantasy team.
I'm obligated to hate the Rangers ever since Adam Graves broke Lemieux's arm, but I love the way the Rangers are winning. Total team. Steeler like work ethic.

144 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:00:27am

re: #129 Killgore Trout

The previous piece was the same thing. They kind of dance around the topic and hide their intentions buy burying it in these wordy tomes.

Well, if they think they are being clever, they're not. It took me, what, two minutes to understand the "clever" meaning of that article.

The problem is, there are a hell of a lot of people who don't comprehend what they are ready, and then a hell of a lot more people who do understand and agree with it.

Either way, these are sick people, and there is nothing they can say that can cover over the obvious fascist nature of their political leanings.

(Consider that Robert Spencer)

145 notutopia  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:00:35am

re: #86 jcm

146 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:01:04am

re: #142 poopeedoo

I think the question is: United Nations toward what?

147 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:01:10am
148 Buck  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:02:00am

re: #62 IslandLibertarian

Wood chippers-TRUE
Rape-TRUE
Torture-TRUE
Maniacal Dictator-TRUE
Money for Terror Bombers-TRUE
Totally Oppressed Society-TRUE
WMD's-Never Found (Even Saddams generals believed they existed)

Who the FUCK is BONKERS!

Not Bush!

You forgot the child prison that the UN inspectors found, but didn't report. The children (some as young as 5) were only set free by the US invasion.

149 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:02:21am

re: #135 Nevergiveup

The most believable scenario I heard put forward was that the Russians help sneak the remaining WMDs out thru Syria and then on to Russia itself so they could never really be found.

I guess that would be another good reason not to attack Syria -- there are no WMDs there now anyway.

I gotta say, if I were running the narcotics division of a municipal police department, and I was planning to bust a meth lab, I don't think I'd spend six months assembling my officers in camps across the street from the lab, sending certified letters to the lab explaining my intention to come in and bust them at some point, and discussing my intentions to bust the meth lab at the U.N. Security Council's internationally televised meetings. If I did all that, I wouldn't really expect to find much when I finally did break down the door.

150 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:02:37am

re: #143 Bumr50

Glad to see another fan of the NHL...if you ever watch sports center the seem to never show highlights...I thought i might have been the only one left

Crosby's goal while he was falling back the other night was sweet definitly hit the TIVO a few times after seeing that!

151 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:03:03am

Since my apartment is just across the East River from UN headquarters, I can truthfully say that it would make a great location for a Wal-Mart!

152 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:03:10am

re: #148 Buck

If people were being honest, and not simply acting on their hatred of Bush & the U.S., "mass graves of political dissidents" would be enough for an invasion.

153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:03:43am

re: #151 quickjustice

Since my apartment is just across the East River from UN headquarters, I can truthfully say that it would make a great location for a Wal-Mart!

or low income housing.

/some lizard will get that

154 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:03:45am

By the way, buzzsawmonkey, we might as well take the day off from any more puns. Lileks already won the prize. (Skip down to the text beginning "At the office I spent some time with Clarabell...", and keep reading.)

155 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:04:39am

re: #151 quickjustice

Since my apartment is just across the East River from UN headquarters, I can truthfully say that it would make a great location for a Wal-Mart!

Ha mine as well they should convert the whole building to a TAJ bagel

156 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:04:52am

re: #151 quickjustice

Since my apartment is just across the East River from UN headquarters, I can truthfully say that it would make a great location for a Wal-Mart!

Why not a shooting range?

157 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:04:55am

re: #149 Last Mohican

Yup, telegraphing your intentions doesn't usually result in surprise. But that is what "Diplomacy" will often do.

158 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:05:52am

The Rooskies are playing games in our back yard.

Russian warships arrived in Venezuela Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America.

Venezuelan sailors fired off cannons in a 21-gun salute as the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko docked in La Guaira, near Caracas. Russians sailors dressed in black-and-white uniforms lined up along the bow.

The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War....

159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:06:12am

re: #152 WrathofG-d

If people were being honest, and not simply acting on their hatred of Bush & the U.S., "mass graves of political dissidents" would be enough for an invasion.

Reason enough assholes like Medea Benjamin and Bill Ayers should be praising the fact they live in the US. Ungrateful little shits

160 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:07:27am

re: #158 jcm

Hey another Cold war just might jump start our economy maybe its all political theater...Wow I think im risking sounding like one of those False Flag nut jobs

161 notutopia  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:07:39am

re: #127 rexatosis

Are you from La.?
: )

162 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:07:50am

re: #148 Buck

You forgot the child prison that the UN inspectors found, but didn't report. The children (some as young as 5) were only set free by the US invasion.

NO WMD! BUSH LIED! PEOPLE DIED!

163 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:09:09am

re: #156 Occasional Reader

A Cuban exile did try shooting a bazooka across the river at the building back in the 1970s, but the shell fell short. He did about ten years at Club Fed for his efforts. Replacing the UN with commerce is the more peaceable solution in this situation.

164 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:09:11am
165 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:09:24am

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We here, and the U.S. in general should realize you can't win with those people, and just ignore them.

The U.S. liberates and saves millions of "brown people" from a brutal dictator, and they label it an oppressive, imperialist destruction of a native culture and society.

The U.S. ignores Iraq, and they would use it as another example of how the White Supremacist American Government ignores the plight of the underprivileged, poor, and brown-skinned because we have no personal interest and cannot personally benefit from.

166 Buck  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:09:41am

re: #152 WrathofG-d

If people were being honest, and not simply acting on their hatred of Bush & the U.S., "mass graves of political dissidents" would be enough for an invasion.

They blame the mass graves on the USA. They were done at the end of the first invasion.

It is the body of evidence that needs to be looked at. Including attacking neighbor countries, Iran, The Magic Kingdom, Israel, and of course the most famous Kuwait.

167 yochanan  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:09:57am

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ayers and the b' would have been there shooting the dissadents for saddam.

168 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:09:59am

re: #163 quickjustice

It would make a really nice new Israeli Embassy.

169 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:10:01am

re: #151 quickjustice

Since my apartment is just across the East River from UN headquarters, I can truthfully say that it would make a great location for a Wal-Mart!

Ahhh... So you are clogging the 7 train every night as I try and get home...

170 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:10:54am

re: #166 Buck

no I'll stick with my original argument. If morons wish to blame Saddam's actions on someone other than Saddam...that is their problem. I believe in self-responsibility.

171 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:12:26am

re: #169 tfc3rid

No lizards or other pets allowed on the 7 train! ;-)

172 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:12:32am

re: #150 GOPManHatTanIte

Yeah! I'm almost glad that they're not really clicking yet and still have a respectable record.
We miss Gonchar A LOT. Gill's just not good enough with a stick to carry the burden. Hopefully Boucher will help.
I've got Gomez on my fantasy team too. Hopefully it's just a fracture and not the dreaded HighAS. Hard to tell since they don't have to report it in the NHL. Especially hard if you play fantasy.

174 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:12:45am

re: #168 WrathofG-d

It would make a really nice new Israeli Embassy.

Well an Embassy is in the Capital of the host country, so their Embassy would be in Washington. You mean a Consulate. Now I know when it comes to Israel, it seems countries seem to prefer to have their "Embassies" in Tel Aviv rather than the CAPITOL OF ISRAEL-JERUSALEM. But that is a whole other story.

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:12:51am
176 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:13:43am

re: #171 quickjustice

No lizards or other pets allowed on the 7 train! ;-)

Every night... 5:10 out of Times Square...

177 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:14:05am

re: #174 Nevergiveup

Well an Embassy is in the Capital of the host country, so their Embassy would be in Washington. You mean a Consulate. Now I know when it comes to Israel, it seems countries seem to prefer to have their "Embassies" in Tel Aviv rather than the CAPITOL OF ISRAEL-JERUSALEM. But that is a whole other story.

Yes. You are correct, I am wrong. I meant consulate or something like that.

178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:14:16am

re: #167 yochanan

ayers and the b' would have been there shooting the dissadents for saddam.

Agreed

If the US was even a fraction of what assholes like them thought it was, they would have been shot years ago.

179 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:14:25am

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

re: #157 Nevergiveup

Another thing I have constantly heard from the moonbattier side of my circle of acquaintance is complaints about the Bush Administration's "rush to war." In reply, I have said much what you did; that the Administration not only did not rush, but lumbered slowly up to the event like a tired elephant with sore arches, giving the Iraqis more than enough time to hide whatever they wanted.

yeah like 12 years thanks to .....Powell!

180 Buck  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:14:38am

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

re: #157 Nevergiveup

Another thing I have constantly heard from the moonbattier side of my circle of acquaintance is complaints about the Bush Administration's "rush to war." In reply, I have said much what you did; that the Administration not only did not rush, but lumbered slowly up to the event like a tired elephant with sore arches, giving the Iraqis more than enough time to hide whatever they wanted.

IMO best example of rush to war, without UN approval is Bosnia and Clinton.

181 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:14:49am

re: #170 WrathofG-d

Thats not how the Dems think they tend to lay the blame on those not so responsible...Like Barney Frank blaming "greedy wall street" for the Financial crisis while refusing to accept the fact the he almost single handedly drove Fannie and Freddie into the ground by forcing them and others to take sub-prime loans onto their balance sheets because affordable housing for the lower income set is much more important than O I dont know sound investment strategy

182 Rednek  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:14:58am

Need a chuckle?

Drudge has a report: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA


A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

---lots of silly crap clipped---

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."

183 Meremortal  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:15:06am

ElBaradei: "It is better that a thousand guilty countries go free....(etc.)"

184 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:15:19am

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Agreed

If the US was even a fraction of what assholes like them thought it was, they would have been shot years ago.

And if they had the power they accuse Bush et al of abusing, we'd be the ones getting shot.

185 pegcity  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:15:22am

re: #173 Killgore Trout

RoP debates killing children......
Brithish Islamist Kamal Al-Hilbawi and Liberal Nabil Yassin Debate Whether Israeli Children Constitute Legitimate Military Targets

All non muslims are seen as legitimate military targets to islamists

186 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:15:58am

What's up with this Russian wack-a-doodle?

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

Russian Analyst Rants...

187 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:16:01am

re: #163 quickjustice

Replacing the UN with commerce is the more peaceable solution in this situation.

A shooting range IS a form of commerce.

To make it more culturally acceptable to East Side Manhattan, we could combine it with, I dunno, a Manolo Blahnik store or something.

188 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:16:09am

re: #182 Rednek

Need a chuckle?

Drudge has a report: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA

Well, if anyone would know about countries declining & breaking apart, it's the Russians.

189 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:16:15am

re: #172 Bumr50

Come playoff time get ready for "upper body injury" and "lower body injury" I think Bill Bellicheck was taking plays from the NHL hand book of injury reporting...

...does make the fantasy decisions a little harder

190 tfc3rid  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:16:27am

re: #182 Rednek

GMTA... LOL

191 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:16:35am

re: #164 buzzsawmonkey

Pretty good, though I think we can equal if not top him.

Damn. Tough room.

192 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:16:40am

Criminals win a round in London town.

More Tasers for cops: not in London

The Home Office's recently announced plan to issue Taser electric stunguns more widely to police has been endorsed by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC). However the extra Tasers have been turned down for now by the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA), the governing body of London coppers.

I'm sure the bad guys are breathing easier.

193 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:17:12am

re: #182 Rednek

Need a chuckle?

Drudge has a report: RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA

This has the makings of an ad for Absolut Vodka.

194 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:17:28am

re: #182 Rednek

Laugh while ye may.

195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:17:32am

re: #187 Occasional Reader

A shooting range IS a form of commerce.

To make it more culturally acceptable to East Side Manhattan, we could combine it with, I dunno, a Manolo Blahnik store or something.

Why would you know who or what Manolo Blahnik is? Are we going to have to revoke your man card?

196 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:01am

re: #194 rawmuse

Laugh while ye may.

Are you and I tracking the same recently?

197 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:19am

re: #186 tfc3rid

and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong

Blame Canada!

198 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:28am

re: #193 Last Mohican

This has the makings of an ad for Absolut Vodka.

With oil declining it could be titled "Absolute Cluelessness"

199 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:33am

re: #181 GOPManHatTanIte

Which is why i find myself becoming increasingly impatient with the Left that surround me. Logic takes a back seat to emotion.

On an interesting (to me at least) note, Judaism speaks a lot about this, in specifically two places. The human tug between being an animal (emotions, instinct based) or Human (logic, intellect based), and the constant struggle between the head (logic, soul), and the heart (emotion, and compassion).

200 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:51am

re: #182 Rednek

Interesting world view, he sees the world on racial lines.

If the US were to break up I would predict along ideological (red / blue) lines.

201 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:54am

re: #182 Rednek

I'm sure that would be the same kind of analyst who never saw the breakup of the Soviet Union. It's laughable to the point of farce and points to the fact that these so-called experts are engaging in nothing more than wishful thinking than actually analyzing or understanding American politics.

202 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:18:56am

re: #188 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Well, if anyone would know about countries declining & breaking apart, it's the Russians.

I read that. I think that guy does not know one thing about this country. If any country is going to "go away", it's Russia.....take away that oil and they are a 3rd world country.

203 saberry0530  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:19:32am

re: #192 jcm

Criminals win a round in London town.

More Tasers for cops: not in London


I'm sure the bad guys are breathing easier.

DAMN! Sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to a new round of Youtube taser videos!

204 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:19:33am

re: #195 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why would you know who or what Manolo Blahnik is? Are we going to have to revoke your man card?

Because I've had to watch Sex and the City... with my wife.

That's a free pass.

205 3 wood  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:19:37am

In market news, the DOW is down 122.

Obama just had to have another press conference and run his mouth some more.

Said he's going to cut government waste.

Right. I think he will cut the heart out of the military and ask the world to pretty please like us more.

There is some slight good news thought, the TED Spread has loosened slightly.

206 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:20:06am

re: #186 tfc3rid

especially poignant because a recent Drudge headline pointed out a decline in Vodka sales in Russia...must have been a first

207 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:20:25am

re: #184 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Give Bambi time. He's not even been sworn in yet. It'll take him a few days to get his feet under him before he begins to round up "dissidents" and other thought criminals.

208 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:20:36am

re: #181 GOPManHatTanIte

It's amazing to hear BHO speak of "ending bipartisanship" with such different visions of America.
While Republicans try and wage war against physical enemies, democrats wage war against ideology.
Incongruity.

209 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:20:38am

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

re: #194 rawmuse

Laugh while ye may.

Are you and I tracking the same recently?

Okay, gents, so I'm curious; if you're both convinced as to this imminent civil war/violent breakup of the US, what are you actually doing to prepare for it?

210 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:20:40am

re: #205 3 wood

In market news, the DOW is down 122.

Obama just had to have another press conference and run his mouth some more.

Said he's going to cut government waste.

Right. I think he will cut the heart out of the military and ask the world to pretty please like us more.

There is some slight good news thought, the TED Spread has loosened slightly.

What is the TED, and why do you assume that we all know what it is? Maybe if I don't know what it is, then I shouldn't be concerned with it anyway. I don't know.

211 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:21:06am

re: #209 Occasional Reader

Okay, gents, so I'm curious; if you're both convinced as to this imminent civil war/violent breakup of the US, what are you actually doing to prepare for it?

If we told you, we would have to have you eliminated!

212 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:21:08am

re: #203 saberry0530

DAMN! Sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to a new round of Youtube taser videos!

Don't taze me guv'nah

213 itellu3times  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:21:16am

Bush Doctrine

214 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:21:18am

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Because I've had to watch Sex and the City... with my wife.

That's a free pass.

OK, but we'll be monitoring your posts for the time being, making sure you post the required amount comments about handguns & South American super-hotties.

215 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:21:35am

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

Are you and I tracking the same recently?

I am someone that has always thought that our form of government (the most RADICAL ever espoused by man, and historically a COMPLETE deviation from the normal condition of man, which is feudalism and serfdom) did not have long odds.

I am amazed it has survived as long as it has to date.

216 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:21:38am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

Blame Canada!

Invade Canada!

217 looking closely  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:22:09am

How exactly can you "prove a country innocent" anyway?

218 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:22:10am

re: #201 lawhawk

I'm sure that would be the same kind of analyst who never saw the breakup of the Soviet Union. It's laughable to the point of farce and points to the fact that these so-called experts are engaging in nothing more than wishful thinking than actually analyzing or understanding American politics.

The United States is not breaking up. The paper work would be horrendous, the baseball Schedule would be all screwed up, and how would people be able to vote in two states?

219 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:22:32am

re: #205 3 wood

The Dems are already starting on public works programs......
High Speed Rail coming to America - Kerry introduces landmark bill (UPDATE 3)

The High-Speed Rail for America Act of 2008 builds upon the Passenger Rail Investment and Improvement Act of 2008 which reauthorizes Amtrak and authorizes $1.5 billion over a five-year period to finance the construction and equipment for eleven high-speed rail corridors. It provides billions of dollars in both tax-exempt and tax credit bond and provides assistance for rail projects of various speeds. The bill creates the Office of High-Speed passenger rail to oversee the development of high-speed rail and provides a consistent source of funding.

Specifically, the High-Speed Rail for America Act of 2008 provides $8 billion over a six-year period for tax-exempt bonds which finance high-speed rail projects which reach a speed of at least 110 miles per hour It creates a new category of tax-credit bonds – qualified rail bonds.


It's the 30's all over again.

220 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:22:38am

re: #206 GOPManHatTanIte

especially poignant because a recent Drudge headline pointed out a decline in Vodka sales in Russia...must have been a first

But in a related story, brake fluid sales are going through the roof!

221 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:22:49am

re: #205 3 wood

You know, but the time this crisis has passed, more people will know as much as the so-called experts do, which is a rather frightening thought since most of the so-called experts helped get us into this mess in the first place. /

222 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:22:57am

re: #216 jcm

Why would we want to do that? Deport all moonbats to Canada. And don't let them come back.

223 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:10am

re: #218 Nevergiveup

The United States is not breaking up. The paper work would be horrendous, the baseball Schedule would be all screwed up, and how would people be able to vote in two states?

ACORN has already anticipated your third point.

224 itellu3times  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:13am

re: #205 3 wood

Dead cat bounce. Maybe we're building a bottom, but it will take through the end of the year.

And what is with this Paulson dude anyway, does he have an evil twin? One day he's spending $700b on that, the next day he's not, and then he is again, only he's already spent $250b and now he's going to spend $800b and wtf is going on?

225 kayawanee  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:21am

re: #21 opnion

Oh so he would want more proof after the Germans bombed pearl Harbor, I suppose.

Are you serious, trying to be sarcastic, or just repeating lines from the movie Animal House?

It was the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor, not the Germans.

BTW, here's a link to that scene from Animal House:

226 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:24am

re: #209 Occasional Reader

Okay, gents, so I'm curious; if you're both convinced as to this imminent civil war/violent breakup of the US, what are you actually doing to prepare for it?

Be prepared. That is all you can do.

227 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:34am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

The rail out of DC needs to be fixed first.....

228 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:41am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

I guess it's no never mind that all the trains are losing money hand over foot?

229 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:45am

Anyone else waiting for the UEFA Champions League Mathces to start?

230 looking closely  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:48am

re: #45 Golem Akbar

I can't find the link, but I read somewhere (help anyone?) that if Iran tries to bomb Israel, Israeli rockets will be able to knock out the nukes before it strikes Israel, and the fallout will be over Arab countries. Also, I believe that that is the reason Israel will not allow Syria to have nukes, since they are right next door, and fallout will be over Israel.


Not to put too fine a point on this, but the reason Israel won't let Syria have nukes is because then a sworn enemy of Israel would have nukes!

231 gop_patriot  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:57am

re: #200 jcm

Interesting world view, he sees the world on racial lines.

If the US were to break up I would predict along ideological (red / blue) lines.

The rest of the world just cannot understand how, for the most part*, we are Americans first, and race/color/ethnicity/religion comes second.

*with the exception of race-baiters like Rev. Wright, Ayers, Jackson and Sharpton, the NOI, and all the other pals of our newly elected President...

232 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:23:59am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

We can all get a job with the WPA and starting singing, "I've been working on the High Speed Rail, all the live long day"

233 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:24:05am

re: #217 looking closely

Syria could start by being fully clear about what they were doing at the site, Then give 100% access to the site, and the records concerning it. They could also allow the IAEA (or someone who actually do their job) to speak to everyone that worked there. Then the IAEA would do their own tests.

-its a good start.

234 itellu3times  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:24:20am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

The Dems are already starting on public works programs......
High Speed Rail coming to America - Kerry introduces landmark bill (UPDATE 3)

I want high-speed freeways, let's raise the speed limit on the San Diego freeway to 400mph.

235 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:24:35am

re: #222 Iron Fist

Why would we want to do that? Deport all moonbats to Canada. And don't let them come back.

LOL! Just fixing what Aaron Burr didn't let happen.....

236 Right mind left  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:24:48am

re: #47 Right mind left

More from that Syrian article (WHO WILL 0bama/Biden side with? Is this leading up to that 'International Crisis'?):

"I Am Not Surprised at [the Behavior of] This Bunch of Lowbrows, Who Are In Crisis And Are [Therefore] Aiming Cheap, Empty Slurs at Their Country and Its Leaders"

...

"There were also some bold curses and threats by 'anonymous' individuals, whose identity is well known, and attacks by some Saudi websites, including that of [former Syrian vice president] 'Abd Al-Khalim Haddam, who is no longer ashamed of the despicable role he is playing in harming the interests of his country in the service of the Saudi riffraff and their lackeys, the greenhorn Lebanese politicians.

"I am not surprised at [the behavior of] this bunch of lowbrows, who are in crisis, and are [therefore] aiming cheap, empty slurs at their country and its leaders. That is their role, and for it they receive humiliating wages from the kingdom of flying dust, yellow death, and racial discrimination [i.e. Saudi Arabia].

"This wild campaign [against us] by Haddam and his cronies [only] proves that we are doing the right thing by condemning the policy of the gang that rules the Arabian Peninsula. The cheap curses, lies, and accusations do not merit a response...

"[Still], there are some questions that I would like to present to the public whose intelligence and wishes I respect:

"Why should we keep silent as the Saudi kingdom allows its media to malign our country and its leaders? Why should we keep silent when [various media outlets] – including Al-Arabiya [TV], [the liberal website] Elaph, [the Saudi London dailies] Al-Sharq Al-Awsat and Al-Hayat, and the [Lebanese] Al-Mustaqbal daily and TV channel, owned by the Al-Hariri family – invent lies and fabrications, and malign our official media outlets, which, [unfortunately], are resting on their laurels, presumably preoccupied with the vicious imperialist attack [on Syria]? Is there a more vicious imperialist attack than [one of] instigating civil strife, telling lies, fabricating evidence and besmirching the reputation of Syria and its president?"

"Why Should We Keep Silent While the Saudi Government Sponsors Thieves and Hooligans Who Call Themselves 'The Syrian Opposition[?]'"

"Why should we keep silent as the Saudi government sponsors thieves and hooligans who call themselves 'the Syrian opposition,' and funds them in order to sabotage Syria from within and undermine its stability by spreading tired old rumors of sectarian [strife] which the Syrians have disregarded from the very first?

"Why should we keep silent as the Saudi king sends people to condemn French President Nicolas Sarkozy for hosting Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad? What insolence!

"Why should we keep silent as His Majesty funds the Salafi terrorist gangs in northern Lebanon and exports death into Syria?

"Why should we keep silent as the Saudi king drinks a toast with the murderer Bush in the White House?

"Why should we keep silent as members of the [Saudi royal] family dance with that killer, that mass murderer [i.e. Bush], who has brought ruin upon the region, violated our honor, widowed women, and orphaned children?

"Why do we keep silent as, under the pretext of interfaith dialogue, this king holds meetings with that terrorist, [Israeli President Shimon] Peres, and with the Mossad agent, [Israeli Foreign Minister] Tzipi Livni, [thereby] breaching the [Arab] boycott on Israel, which is still occupying land, murdering innocents, arresting honorable people and employing every kind of international terrorism?

237 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:25:18am

re: #228 Nevergiveup

They're Government railroads. They're only losing appropriated money so it's, like, OK.

They can always steal more.

238 Dianna  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:25:22am

re: #204 Occasional Reader

Because I've had to watch Sex and the City... with my wife.

That's a free pass.

Definitely!

Keeping one's spouse happy is the mark of a true man or woman!

239 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:25:26am

re: #234 itellu3times

I want high-speed freeways, let's raise the speed limit on the San Diego freeway to 400mph.

Why do you want people to slow down? Try going 400, even little old ladies pass you bye, flipping you off and yelling "stay in the slow lane, asshole!"

240 yochanan  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:26:06am

re: #188 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

he been a drinking way too much vodka siber will be chinese, half of the rest of russia will islamic.

241 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:26:08am

what is UEFA ?

242 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:26:30am

WOW. Home prices down 16.6 percent in a year according to S & P.

243 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:26:38am

re: #234 itellu3times

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

244 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:27:22am

TED Spread is a delicious, low-fat alternative to high-cholesterol US Treasury bonds. It's also marketed in some places as "I Can't Believe It's Not LIBOR!".

245 debutaunt  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:27:23am

re: #241 Shug

what is UEFA ?

United Europeans From Albania?

246 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:27:49am

re: #242 Bumr50

I'm lucky. Here in Portland they've only dropped 7-8%. My plans to move out to the coast have been shot though. I'll have to wait until the economy recovers.

247 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:27:55am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Where's it going? How much are tickets?

248 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:27:59am

re: #234 itellu3times

I want high-speed freeways, let's raise the speed limit on the San Diego freeway to 400mph.

I dont know if that would work up in NorCal I've been driving for a couple years and I am convinced, like Mr. Hand, that EVERY ONE IS ON DOPE!

Although thats not necessarily a bad thing

249 3 wood  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:28:31am

re: #210 Walter L. Newton

What is the TED, and why do you assume that we all know what it is? Maybe if I don't know what it is, then I shouldn't be concerned with it anyway. I don't know.

I assume no such thing, but I have given detailed descriptions in the past as to the significance and to not want to be repetitive.

In short, the TED spread is the spread in interest rate between 3 month treasuries (essentially as risk free as you can get) and the 3 month LIBOR rate (which is the rate that many banks loan to each other around the world).

The spread between the two is seen as a pretty good measure of the risk perceived by the market of default in the banking world.

A "normal" spread would be somewhere between 50 and 100 basis points.

Right now it is at 202.6 and slightly dropping.

In October it was at 465 basis points.

Not out of trouble yet, but some signs of improvement.

250 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:28:32am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Uh, me. Definitely. If we had a TGV-style train along the Northeast Corridor, I'd never fly to NYC again.

However, trans-continentally, it still makes little sense.

251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:28:37am

re: #241 Shug

what is UEFA ?

Probably another shoe designer. Ask OR - he knows all about these things.

252 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:28:39am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

110 mph?! Are you frellin' kidding me? Acela was supposed to hit 150 mph, but can't go above 70 for stretches in NJ and CT at best because: 1) it has a design defect that limits how much the trainsets can bend into turns - it bends in such a way that it would go into the space reserved for the next track; 2) the tracks themselves and the overhead power lines can't support the higher speeds. In the NE corridor, that means that states have failed to do their jobs to upgrade, and Amtrak hasn't done enough of the upgrades.

Throw in problems like having to replace dozens of miles of concrete ties because they were defective in NJ, and you've got even slower speeds because the trains have fewer tracks to use in those stretches.

253 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:28:39am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Actually I have been taking the train recently alot between RI and NJ and also NJ and DC. I don't mind it at all. But then i have a few drinks and enjoy the ride.

254 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:28:40am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

I would! If it went where I wanted to go, and cost less than a plane. But I don't think that's particularly likely. I believe even the existing Amtrak Acela service costs more than flying.

255 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:29:01am

re: #239 Desert Dog

Why do you want people to slow down? Try going 400, even little old ladies pass you bye, flipping you off and yelling "stay in the slow lane, asshole!"

Sounds like my Grandma, sitting on pillows in her '66 Chrysler Newport screaming down the freeway at wrap speed talking with both hands.......

256 debutaunt  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:29:06am

re: #251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Probably another shoe designer. Ask OR - he knows all about these things.

hahahahahahahahahahaa

257 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:29:08am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

If there was a good coast to coast highspeed train I'd use it. But now is not the time to start a project like that. The money is needed elsewhere.

258 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:29:17am

re: #242 Bumr50

WOW. Home prices down 16.6 percent in a year according to S & P.

They're getting more affordable.

259 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:29:23am

re: #241 Shug

O sorry its European Football its on ESPN in 15 min kinda like all the top club teams from Europe playing against each other...think of it as interleague play in baseball, but this is actually exciting

260 Dianna  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:15am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Given how much I hate flying? Hell, yes!

261 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:17am

re: #238 Dianna

And the key to a stable relationship. Making her happy makes me happy, and as she reciprocates, we each get more and more of what we want.
It also helps keep things fresh, as you're always thinking of new ideas.
We are a selfish nation, and I'm no exception. But I pride myself on at least trying to live by what I wrote above.
I think self-indulgence is seriously one of the gravest issues facing the free world today.

262 DeafDog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:19am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

If it were convenient, economical and safe, I would. Why not?

263 3 wood  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:23am

re: #219 Killgore Trout

It's the 30's all over again.

Call it the Really New Deal.

264 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:28am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Transcontinental rail isn't cost or time competitive against airlines. Rail is more favorable for short distances - between CA cities or the NE corridor. You could stretch it to include NY to Chicago, but that's about it.

265 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:37am

re: #251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Probably another shoe designer. Ask OR - he knows all about these things.

You bastard! I'll trash you in my memoirs!

266 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:30:41am

re: #254 Last Mohican

I would! If it went where I wanted to go, and cost less than a plane. But I don't think that's particularly likely. I believe even the existing Amtrak Acela service costs more than flying.

No it is cheaper, but it is not real cheap by any means. And it is only alitttle faster than driving, but a hell of alot more relaxing.

267 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:31:16am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?


Only if it was faster than an airplane. I think Detroit-Chicago would be the pefrect kind of trip.
4 1/2 to 5 hour drive
Airport--50 min flight, and 3 hours total with the security BS, parking

So it would have to take less than 2-3 hours to be worth my trouble

268 nikis-knight  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:31:53am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Is it a monorail?
For me, it's mono or nothing!

269 3 wood  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:31:57am

re: #221 lawhawk

You know, but the time this crisis has passed, more people will know as much as the so-called experts do, which is a rather frightening thought since most of the so-called experts helped get us into this mess in the first place. /

Well, we know much more than the so-called experts in the MSM. I'm constantly finding mistakes and such in their articles.

270 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:32:16am

re: #267 Shug

Only if it was faster than an airplane. I think Detroit-Chicago would be the pefrect kind of trip.
4 1/2 to 5 hour drive
Airport--50 min flight, and 3 hours total with the security BS, parking

So it would have to take less than 2-3 hours to be worth my trouble

Somtimes anything to get me off of I-95 is a blessing.

271 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:32:21am

re: #215 rawmuse

I am someone that has always thought that our form of government (the most RADICAL ever espoused by man, and historically a COMPLETE deviation from the normal condition of man, which is feudalism and serfdom) did not have long odds.

I am amazed it has survived as long as it has to date.

Well, I have been wondering if the foundation, as set up by the founding fathers has not reached a breaking point.

How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand up to 300 million plus people?

How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand up to the ability of almost any small group of people to broadcast their messages, wants, needs and ideas to everyone else, through the magic of technology.

How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand up to the pressures of a global economy, one that our forefathers could never have imagined.

How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights support our two party system any longer. Or are we tracking toward a parliamentary system someday.

Is it a system versus population growth, and when does it fall?

272 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:32:33am

re: #264 lawhawk

Now that I think about it, even if they get a 100mph train it would take at least 30 hours coast to coast. That sucks no matter how cheap it is.

273 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:32:41am
274 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:32:55am

re: #266 Nevergiveup

No it is cheaper, but it is not real cheap by any means. And it is only alitttle faster than driving, but a hell of alot more relaxing.

Depends. At least before the recent runup in airline prices, you could usually get an air ticket, if you planned in advance, for less than Acela. However, the hassle factor in getting to/from NYC area airports is huge.

275 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:33:08am

re: #247 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #254 Last Mohican

re: #253 Nevergiveup

re: #250 Occasional Reader

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Ok so the answer is YES. I'm actually surprised. As a LA person I would never think to even take a train anywhere. Ok so its a good idea then in general. HOWEVER, I agree with "Killgore Trout" that this might not be the best time to do so. But on the other hand, it could jump start an Environmentally friendly economy, and actually save the overall economy.

276 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:33:11am

re: #182 Rednek

Hmmm. He must think the US is like the former Soviet Union.

277 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:33:20am
ElBaradei says that just like individuals, countries should be considered innocent until proven guilty

That sounds vaguely familiar.

Where have I heard that before?

It must be a universal right adopted by all 57 of the Muslim states, no?

It must be Sharia.

278 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:33:39am
279 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:33:53am

re: #242 Bumr50

WOW. Home prices down 16.6 percent in a year according to S & P.

My zillow quote is down 18% on the year. However I'm still up 120% since purchase.

280 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:34:03am

re: #268 nikis-knight

Is it a monorail?
For me, it's mono or nothing!

The tracks, they will not break or bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend!

281 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:34:08am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Wasn't that a "Simpsons" episode?

282 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:34:14am

re: #268 nikis-knight

Is it a monorail?
For me, it's mono or nothing!

I knew a few girls in High School like you...

283 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:34:34am

re: #277 Ben Hur

It doesn't apply to infidels, silly! They get head-chop very very quicklike!

284 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:34:41am
285 3 wood  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:34:42am

re: #224 itellu3times

And what is with this Paulson dude anyway, does he have an evil twin? One day he's spending $700b on that, the next day he's not, and then he is again, only he's already spent $250b and now he's going to spend $800b and wtf is going on?

Paulson is scrambling to keep the thing together.

To be fair to Paulson, the situation has been rapidly changing and I don't think some of these companies have been leveling with him their true situation at times.

Then when they look hard at the books it's a nightmare.

286 debutaunt  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:35:16am

re: #275 WrathofG-d

The government spending us into the black?

287 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:35:20am
288 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:35:22am
289 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:35:23am

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

The extent that the Constitution and Bill of Rights have failed is precisely the extent that we have deviated from them, which is often and repeatedly, going back to 1861 or so.

290 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:35:24am

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey

The Protestant Reformation and the search for religious freedom were a major factor in the settlement of the New World, as was the search for the riches and spices of the East.

291 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:35:51am

re: #280 Occasional Reader

The tracks, they will not break or bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend!

What about us brain-dead slobs?
You'll be given cushy jobs!

292 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:36:20am

re: #252 lawhawk

110 mph?! Are you frellin' kidding me? Acela was supposed to hit 150 mph, but can't go above 70 for stretches in NJ and CT at best because: 1) it has a design defect that limits how much the trainsets can bend into turns - it bends in such a way that it would go into the space reserved for the next track; 2) the tracks themselves and the overhead power lines can't support the higher speeds. In the NE corridor, that means that states have failed to do their jobs to upgrade, and Amtrak hasn't done enough of the upgrades.

Throw in problems like having to replace dozens of miles of concrete ties because they were defective in NJ, and you've got even slower speeds because the trains have fewer tracks to use in those stretches.

I don't know how well the French model would work. They upgraded existing rail lines. Created carriages that could run on those existing rails, and manage the "bends," and move at speeds up to 180 miles per hour. The TGV is an example of a well thought out high-speed system.

And the French only upgraded lines that had passengers. We tend to put in mass transit everywhere even if it will not pay for itself.

And then later, the French took the money from successful lines and started upgrading the less used lines.

293 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:36:21am

re: #288 buzzsawmonkey

GMTA

294 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:36:24am

re: #281 CIA Reject

Post #280 should answer your query.

295 WrathofG-d  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:36:25am

Ok I must SIGN OFF for now.

296 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:36:49am

re: #96 jcm

It was pretty clear the IAF's target was a Nuclear program. Israel intel got pics from inside. Which are consistent with nuclear activities, plus my guess is our or Israel's rad sniffers got a good nose full of radiation signatures.

Did you notice the picture caption? "This photograph seems to show the rods that would be used to control the heat in a functional nuclear reactor."

These Time/CNN reporters are a bunch of idiots - the graphite rods are used to control the neutron flux, not the friggin' heat!

Oy! Pet peeve of mine...

JAFLW

/No, I'm not a nuclear scientist... but I played one in the AF many years ago, and I remember my Engineering Physics quite well...

297 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:37:01am

re: #287 jcm

Fast train..... 357mph of fast....


hope the engineer isn't texting his boyfriend Elbaradei

298 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:37:12am
299 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:38:26am

re: #287 jcm

Fast train..... 357mph of fast....

Almost got ya beat, mon ami: La Train,she fast, no?

300 CIA Reject  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #294 Bumr50

Post #280 should answer your query.

It's bad enough when life imitates art, but when it imitates The Simpsons...

301 3 wood  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:39:29am

DOW now down 74 points.

Got to run to a meeting.

Later.

302 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:39:58am

re: #296 Just Another Four-letter Word

I don't pay attention to media captions, they are so friggin clueless.

Early in Afghanistan, the hole "cluster bomb" shit hit fan the Seattle Times printed a huge front page picture of US made unexploded cluster bombs.

30 seconds of fact checking would have shown they were in fact left over Russian mortar rounds. I sent the Times pictures links and Janes weapons descriptions. No correction was made.

303 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:41:24am

re: #289 rawmuse

I see the Constitution and the Bill of Rights violated in the courts almost daily. That's not surprising, nor is it surprising that government overreaches on these principles in favor of its own power. It's what governments do.

What's important is that people keep fighting for their freedoms, and keep pushing back, using the protections provided for them in the Constitution. The Constitution is a framework for the exercise of limited government power, and for the rights of the people to push back, and, if necessary, to alter or abolish government. That's the dynamic tension here. Keeping that tension in proper balance is the larger issue.

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:41:28am
305 Daisy  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:41:31am

"There are claims against Iraq, which proved to be bonkers,.."

Um, not if Iraq offloaded it's nuclear materials onto Syria.

306 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:42:11am

re: #292 Walter L. Newton

I don't know how well the French model would work. They upgraded existing rail lines. Created carriages that could run on those existing rails, and manage the "bends," and move at speeds up to 180 miles per hour. The TGV is an example of a well thought out high-speed system.

And the French only upgraded lines that had passengers. We tend to put in mass transit everywhere even if it will not pay for itself.

And then later, the French took the money from successful lines and started upgrading the less used lines.

I would hope that if we're gonna do this, we'd leapfrog TGV technology and go MagLev. M

307 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:42:28am

re: #302 jcm

That's because the bombs were not the really story...the real story was to make the USA look bad, and that is what it did. Facts and the truth did not come into play with that one. And, the MSM wonders why they are losing viewers/readers.

308 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:42:46am

re: #287 jcm

Fast train..... 357mph of fast....

I almost fwew wup my wunch.

309 bloodnok  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:42:54am

"Why I've sold high speed rail projects to Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and by gum it put them on the map!"

/Lyle f'n Lanley

310 redc1c4  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:43:18am

maybe we should offer matching funds to the project?

the IEAE gives them 350K for construction, and we toss in 350K worth of JDAMS after they get going...... %-)

311 lobo91  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:43:38am

re: #125 lawhawk

You know, we keep hearing that the inspectors found remnants of uranium.

What kind of uranium? Enriched? Depleted?

If it's depleted, it's from the weapons used to take out the structures because of its density and ability to penetrate reinforced structures. If it's enriched, it could come only from the facility itself (though I'm sure the Syrians will try to claim it was planted by the Zionists).

More thoughts here.

It's highly unlikely that any depleted uranium munitions were used in the attack on that facilty. Despite the ravings of the loonies, DU is not used in bombs. It's used in armor-piercing cannon shells, like the main gun round for the M1A1/A2, or the 30mm gun on the A-10.

312 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:43:51am

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey


African or European finch?

313 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:44:46am

re: #225 kayawanee

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

314 Daisy  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:44:49am

re: #243 WrathofG-d

I'd like a to take a poll. Would anyone actually RIDE a high speed railway?

Count this as a very definite Yes.

315 Occasional Reader  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:44:51am

Later.

316 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:45:04am

re: #307 Desert Dog

That's because the bombs were not the really story...the real story was to make the USA look bad, and that is what it did. Facts and the truth did not come into play with that one. And, the MSM wonders why they are losing viewers/readers.

In the same story they had a guy standing next to an "unexploded bomb" the "bomb" was 4 feet in diameter and the nose was all smashed in.....

Ahhhh, fuel tank guys, bombs nose don't smash in.

Yep, it was a trash the US Military piece from end to end.

317 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:45:34am

re: #308 MandyManners

I almost fwew wup my wunch.

Stomach still back at the station?

318 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:45:45am

re: #303 quickjustice

What's important is that people keep fighting for their freedoms, and keep pushing back, using the protections provided for them in the Constitution.

And how do you propose we do that. For the last two months, the majority of Americans have been AGAINST the snowballing money give-a-ways that have been happening. What is it that we HAVEN'T been doing to stop it?

Congress was suppose to set up a oversight committee to monitor the money given away and how it was used. That has not happened, even though money has been going out like water through a hole in a bucket. What is it that we HAVEN'T been doing to make sure this committee is set up before any more money is handed out?

319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:45:59am

Some moonbats wont let go;

For economy's sake, Pelosi needs to push for impeachment now

Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s ineffectiveness became clear the day she became Speaker of the House and immediately announced that there would be no impeachment proceedings against President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

Guided by politics, she said leading investigations into just how much the Bush administration did – and did wrong – would be divisive. What she didn’t express was her worry that too many Democrats faced elimination from the House if they took on the difficult task of proving who knew what, when.

But Congress is running out of time to finally make the Bush administration own up to its actions for eight years. If Congress isn’t careful, the president who already has issued 171 pardons could also pardon every appointee and employee he has ever had – and their dogs. And then Americans will never find out what happened to our country over the past eight years.

320 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:46:22am

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

*WHACK*

321 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:46:30am

re: #317 jcm

They probably make barf bags mandatory, like seat belts!

322 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:46:49am

re: #316 jcm

In the same story they had a guy standing next to an "unexploded bomb" the "bomb" was 4 feet in diameter and the nose was all smashed in.

Are you implying the US military did NOT in fact throw those pristine cartridges at that old lady's house?

323 GOPManHatTanIte  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:46:53am

Off to watch the Soccer Matches good afternoon all

324 yochanan  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:46:58am

re: #264 lawhawk
currently to go from chicago to nyc by rail takes 24 hours

325 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:14am

re: #303 quickjustice

These are the closing months of 2008. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are under full frontal assault, daily, and on many fronts. The termites are in the foundation, and they too numerous and are winning.
See my #215

326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:18am

re: #320 jcm

*WHACK*

Thanks. Everyone knows the Joos were behind Pearl Harbor.

327 Bumr50  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:26am

Sticky web:-(

328 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:45am

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

She's German?

329 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:49am

re: #324 yochanan

currently to go from chicago to nyc by rail takes 24 hours

Well that sucks. My rule is 4 hours. After that i fly.

330 kayawanee  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:47:51am

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

Well, she's cute. I guess I can forgive her.

331 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thanks. Everyone knows the Joos were behind Pearl Harbor.

But who is to blame for Pearl Bodine?

332 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:14am

re: #322 Silhouette

Are you implying the US military did NOT in fact throw those pristine cartridges at that old lady's house?

Why shoot, when you can throw! Much more effective!

333 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:15am

re: #317 jcm

Stomach still back at the station?

No. It's on the rail.

334 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:24am

Innocent until proven guilty

Unless you're a rape victim

335 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:37am

re: #331 Silhouette

But who is to blame for Pearl Bodine?

Jethro?

336 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:40am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool. President Cheney

337 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:45am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I hope he's right. I hope Bush does pardon a lot of folks before he leaves office. Scotter Libby should be at the head of the list.

338 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:48:49am

re: #326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thanks. Everyone knows the Joos were behind Pearl Harbor.

I thought the Joos were behind the Titanic sinking? Iceberg, Goldberg, what's the difference?
/

339 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:49:08am

AlBaradei keeps the good guys at bay.

340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:49:19am

re: #331 Silhouette

But who is to blame for Pearl Bodine?

Ma and Pa Bodine

341 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:49:44am

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

Michael Bey & Assbutt Face bombed Pearl Harbor.

342 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:49:47am

re: #331 Silhouette

But who is to blame for Pearl Bodine?

Jedidiah's parents?

343 JohnnyReb  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:50:01am

re: #312 Ben Hur

African or European finch?

Laden or unladen?

344 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:50:13am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some moonbats wont let go;

For economy's sake, Pelosi needs to push for impeachment now

I suppose its time to do a 'fire melts steel' world tour.

345 DeafDog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:50:22am

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some moonbats wont let go;

For economy's sake, Pelosi needs to push for impeachment now

The economy started getting sick as soon as the Dems took control of congress and stopped any sort of LT growth legislation. Gone were any new trad deals. Gone are any new tax cuts. The only thing they did of substance (prior to the never-ending bailouts) is raise the minimum wage.....and then they acted surprised that the number of teenaged employed fell the following summer.

Pelosi & Company deserve their share of the economic blame. Can we impeach them?

346 debutaunt  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:50:30am

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

I'll bet you are still finding pieces of silverware there.

347 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:50:45am

re: #335 Nevergiveup

Jethro?


its the gazintas

348 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:02am

re: #341 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What did Cindy Sheehan have to do with Pearl Harbor? And who's Michael Bey?

349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:08am

re: #343 JohnnyReb

Laden or unladen?

Silly. Only the Pakistani Finch is Laden.

350 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:14am

re: #324 yochanan

currently to go from chicago to nyc by rail takes 24 hours

One could drive there in less than half that time.

351 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:17am

Sitting in my dealer's waiting room while my van gets it's 20k service.

Fox is wall to wall with a Cessna with gear problems in CA.

Ahhhh, guys, landing gear problems are actually pretty routine events.

352 dadog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:21am

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.

re: #319 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

353 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:26am

re: #338 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I thought the Joos were behind the Titanic sinking? Iceberg, Goldberg, what's the difference?
/

hindenberg

354 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:28am

re: #333 MandyManners

No. It's on the rail.

I'm surprised no one has posted any Monorail Cat links yet.

355 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:51:29am

re: #347 Eowyn2

its the gazintas

LOL!

356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:52:15am

re: #345 DeafDog

The economy started getting sick as soon as the Dems took control of congress and stopped any sort of LT growth legislation. Gone were any new trad deals. Gone are any new tax cuts. The only thing they did of substance (prior to the never-ending bailouts) is raise the minimum wage.....and then they acted surprised that the number of teenaged employed fell the following summer.

Pelosi & Company deserve their share of the economic blame. Can we impeach them?

I keep looking for an "Impeach Congress" bumper sticker but cant find one.

357 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:52:33am

re: #355 MandyManners

LOL!

goes into what.

358 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:52:45am

re: #350 Honorary Yooper

One could drive there in less than half that time.

Without stopping to pee every hour?

359 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:15am

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

goes into what.

Double-naught.

360 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:21am

re: #358 MandyManners

Without stopping to pee every hour?

Well that depends on how may six packs you got in the back seat?

361 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:35am

re: #358 MandyManners

Without stopping to pee every hour?

You could wear diapers like that wacked-out Astronaut did and save even more time!

362 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:36am

re: #354 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm surprised no one has posted any Monorail Cat links yet.

Love it!

363 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:44am

re: #356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I keep looking for an "Impeach Congress" bumper sticker but cant find one.

They stay sold out.

364 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:47am

re: #352 dadog

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.


I had the flu last year

365 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:53:58am

re: #352 dadog

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.

Patriot Act. I'm sure the FBI and NSA overheard me talking to my Mom about how to cook our special Thanksgiving stuffing.

FASCISTS!

366 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:54:26am

re: #360 Nevergiveup

Well that depends on how may six packs you got in the back seat?

None.

367 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:54:46am

re: #361 Desert Dog

You could wear diapers like that wacked-out Astronaut did and save even more time!

Where is she now?

368 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:55:23am

re: #366 MandyManners

None.


Oh the old dry run?

369 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #365 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They took prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's why we have the Gitmo people up in arms. No prisoners == no prison camp.

Everybody's happy.

370 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:55:49am

re: #367 MandyManners

Where is she now?

Obambi's gonna put her in charge of NASA.

371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:55:53am

re: #362 MandyManners

Love it!

New Monorail Cat line...

372 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:55:59am

東北新幹線
Rode it.
Loved it.
Build it in America!

373 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:56:11am

re: #368 Nevergiveup

Oh the old dry run?

Only way to go.

374 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:56:22am

re: #352 dadog

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.

Well, yes, my boyfriend dumped me. twice.
I blame bush

Seriously, in 8 years a lot happens, people on this board lost friends/relatives in the 9/11 murders. Others have family/firends in combat or the military who are in danger every day.
It is more of a matter of WHAT bad thing happened and was it bushes fault

375 loppyd  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:56:35am

I bring good news....

Gates a 'Done Deal'

Martha Raddatz and Jake Tapper Report:

Sources tell ABC News that Defense Secretary Robert Gates will be staying on in the top Pentagon job, for at least the first year of the Obama administration. "It is a done deal," a source close to the process tells ABC News.

376 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:56:36am

re: #370 VegasRick

Obambi's gonna put her in charge of NASA.

I wouldn't be shocked.

377 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:56:36am

re: #352 dadog

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.

Spending like crack addicts with a week to live.

378 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #371 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

New Monorail Cat line...

Awwwwwwwwwwwww.

379 yochanan  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:57:34am
380 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:57:36am
381 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:58:16am

BBL

382 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:58:18am

re: #367 MandyManners

Where is she now?

Linda Nowak

383 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:58:23am

re: #306 Occasional Reader

I would hope that if we're gonna do this, we'd leapfrog TGV technology and go MagLev. M

Maglevs is a novelty. Everything from the "rail" bed to the carriages have to be built and financed. TGV technology is one of the best alternatives. Not the fastest, , but next to the fastest, and the fact that it runs on existing line. Most of the tech is in the carriages and engines themselves. It's a good compromise to very high speed trains and the expense.

384 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:58:25am

re: #266 Nevergiveup

No it is cheaper, but it is not real cheap by any means. And it is only alitttle faster than driving, but a hell of alot more relaxing.

I decided to suck it up and get some actual data. Roughly speaking, to get from the Massachusetts State House in Boston, to the U.N. Building in Manhattan, to the Capitol in DC:

Boston to New York, December 1:
Amtrak Acela Express: $140 plus taxi fare, 3:30 train time, about 4:10 total
Delta Shuttle: $339, about 1:13 flight time, about 2:40 total
American Eagle: $146, 1:25, about 2:52 total
Driving: $17 (including tolls), 3:49 (that assumes 30 mpg, no traffic, and the current average cost of gas)

New York to Washington, December 1:
Amtrak Acela Express: $199 plus taxi fare, 2:47 train time, about 3:37 total
Delta Shuttle: $339 plus taxi fare, about 1:15 flight time, 2:35 total
Comair: $146, 1:25, about 2:45 total
Driving: $15 + tolls, 4:12

385 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:58:46am

re: #352 dadog

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.

Well yes, because of George Bush and his abandonment of conservative values (especially fiscal) Obama got elected and that is going to impact me for at least the next 4 years.

386 Iron Fist  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:58:47am

re: #375 loppyd

They are doing it so that they can say everything's Bush's fault when it blows up. Personally, I wouldn't want to be midwife when Obama pushes his scrreaming abortion of an Administration into the world.

387 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:59:09am

re: #309 bloodnok

"Why I've sold high speed rail projects to Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook and by gum it put them on the map!"

/Lyle f'n Lanley


Shelbyville will take it.

388 Shug  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 11:59:39am

re: #367 MandyManners

Where is she now?


Nowak remains on active duty with the US Navy and was subsequently ordered to work on the staff of the Chief of Naval Air Training (CNATRA) at Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Texas, where she is involved in development of flight training curricula for broad use throughout the Navy

389 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:00:03pm

Historic Victory Plate™

Own it!

Throw it!

390 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:00:26pm

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

Really? With a plane?

391 yochanan  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:00:40pm
392 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:00:46pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

goes into what.

five gazinta ten two times
2 gazinta 6 three times

393 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:00pm

re: #389 jcm

Historic Victory Plate™

Own it!

Throw it!


Thatwouldbe the best $19.99 plus S&H I ever spent.

394 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:05pm

re: #389 jcm

My dog needs a new food bowl, I guess a plate could work?

395 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:15pm

re: #374 Eowyn2

Well, yes, my boyfriend dumped me. twice.
I blame bush

Seriously, in 8 years a lot happens, people on this board lost friends/relatives in the 9/11 murders. Others have family/firends in combat or the military who are in danger every day.
It is more of a matter of WHAT bad thing happened and was it bushes fault

Yes, the Bush administration cut funding for alternative energy research. I lost my 13 year job at the National Renewable Energy Lab and I haven't been able to get a full time job in my profession for the last 5 years. I am a programmer of 30 years.

Totally changed my life.

And then, to boost his second term, he suddenly restores the money to the DOE for the lab, just to make points with the voters. Didn't help me get my job back.

And more questions.

396 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:21pm

re: #389 jcm

Historic Victory Plate™

Own it!

Throw it!

got that in my email spam collector

397 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:35pm

re: #384 Last Mohican

And your conclusion?

398 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:54pm

re: #389 jcm

Historic Victory Plate™

Own it!

Throw it!

Were those people eating dinner off the collectors plates?

399 VegasRick  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:01:59pm

re: #382 Desert Dog

Linda Nowak

I heard she changed her name after all the scrutiny, now it's Linda Realwhack.

400 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:02:13pm

re: #313 IslandLibertarian

I thought Reese Whitherspoon bombed Pearl Harbor...............

No, but she has bombed a few others since Walk the Line.

401 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:03:00pm

re: #352 dadog

Can anyone name 1 bad thing that effected them in the first 7 1/2 years of the Bush admin.

Moonbats. Lots of them.

402 jcm  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:03:38pm

Van's done, gotta run....

403 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:03:42pm

re: #395 Walter L. Newton

Yes, the Bush administration cut funding for alternative energy research. I lost my 13 year job at the National Renewable Energy Lab and I haven't been able to get a full time job in my profession for the last 5 years. I am a programmer of 30 years.

Totally changed my life.

And then, to boost his second term, he suddenly restores the money to the DOE for the lab, just to make points with the voters. Didn't help me get my job back.

And more questions.

Damn that sucks
the year I graduated with my bs-cs. IBM laid off over 80K peoples. I'm not in the industry. It was 91.

404 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:04:16pm

re: #382 Desert Dog

Linda Nowak

Wonder how the appellate court will rule.

405 loppyd  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:04:44pm

re: #386 Iron Fist

They are doing it so that they can say everything's Bush's fault when it blows up. Personally, I wouldn't want to be midwife when Obama pushes his scrreaming abortion of an Administration into the world.

This may be true, but don't you feel a tiny bit comforted that he's still at the helm?

406 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:04:48pm

Change! Hope!

Not so fast.

Gates staying on as Sec. Def for at least a year.

Sorry Dennis, you're going to have to wait until next year to try for the Department of Peace.

407 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:04:55pm
408 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:05:07pm

re: #388 Shug

Nowak remains on active duty with the US Navy and was subsequently ordered to work on the staff of the Chief of Naval Air Training (CNATRA) at Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Texas, where she is involved in development of flight training curricula for broad use throughout the Navy

At least she's keeping busy.

409 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:06:18pm

re: #393 Jetpilot1101

Thatwouldbe the best $19.99 plus S&H I ever spent.

S & H stamps? I remember those.

410 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:06:23pm

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey

MagLev? Nay.
--with apologies to Rod Stewart

Wake up, MagLev, I think I've got something to say to you
I can't spend as much as your proponents want me to
I know you promise me speed
But there's really not a market need
Oh, MagLev, I don't think I'll try any more
I know that Congress passed a bill so it could dip into the public till
You stole my taxes and that's what really hurts

I could have high speed just by upgrading the old track gauge
But to build you up to functioning I'd have to change everything
At first I really couldn't wait, to ride a train that levitates
But MagLev, I don't think I'll try any more
If I ever have the urge to roam, if I want to go away from home
You're a luxury I'm afraid I can do without

All I needed was a train that ran reliably
But now my mind boggles 'cause your
Cost boondoggles just wore me out
You just drained my treasury
Rode me on a rail to penury
Oh MagLev, I don't think I'll try anymore
If I ever have the urge to roam, if I want to go away from home
You're a luxury I'm gonna have to do without

If I balance my books maybe I could build a regular train
Though it means I'd have to start all over from scratch again
Or let private industry see what it can develop for me
Oh MagLev, I wish Id never seen your specs
You made a first-class fool out of me
But I'm as blind as a fool can be
You stole my taxes but I love you anyway

MagLev, I wish I'd never seen your specs
I'll get a working train one of these days

Stunning.

411 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:06:45pm

re: #403 Eowyn2

Damn that sucks
the year I graduated with my bs-cs. IBM laid off over 80K peoples. I'm not in the industry. It was 91.

It's not the administrations fault that I have not been able to get full time work again as a programmer. That's more due to age-ism. I am going to be 56 years old next month. Don't let anyone tell you there is no age discrimination in this country, it is rampant, but proving it is near next to impossible.

But, I make do, I'm not whining.

412 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:06:46pm

re: #407 buzzsawmonkey
how Do you Do it?

413 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:06:47pm

re: #397 Nevergiveup

And your conclusion?

Well, each of us can draw his or her own. My main conclusion is that, currently, even in the Northeastern corridor, the train takes at least as long as driving, but costs more than flying.

It's not a very appealing option, unless the highways are snarled with rush hour traffic and the flights are delayed by a huge blizzard.

414 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:07:02pm

re: #409 midwestgak

S & H stamps? I remember those.

I do too!
And green stamps.
Bought my first hair dryer with those stamps.
Long time ago ...

415 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:07:34pm

re: #412 Eowyn2

how Do you Do it?

I think those things are always in his head, just waiting for the perfect opportunity to burst forth.

416 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:07:38pm

re: #409 midwestgak

S & H stamps? I remember those.

being in the hicks, we just called them 'green stamps'

417 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:07:45pm

re: #379 yochanan

My favorite words in the Bill of Rights: "Congress shall make no law"

418 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:08:00pm

re: #402 jcm

Van's done, gotta run....

Not without telling us how the landing gear thing turned out.

419 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:08:16pm
420 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:08:41pm

I just find it ironic that he uses "innocent until proven guilty" - a benchmark of WESTERN society, to defend totalitarians.

But hey, it's ElBaradei.

But seriously, look at these family portraits.

[Link: comedyjuice.com...]

421 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:08:46pm

re: #412 Eowyn2

how Do you Do it?

He has a online Mad-libs song generator. he must, or he's insane.

422 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:08:59pm

re: #215 rawmuse

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Our system of Government is radical and different from any tried previously in modern times. The reason it works despite technologies and circumstances the founding fathers never anticipated is because it relies on the people to staff it and keep it accountable.

We do not need to fear any kind of innovation. We thrive on it.

We do not need to fear population - our people are our strength.

Our government "for the people and by the people" will only ever fail if we lose our virtue as a nation and begin to love material security more than liberty and justice. Then we will put power in the hands of those who promise us everything for nothing but who will instead make slaves of us all.

423 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:09:19pm

re: #411 Walter L. Newton

being 50 myself, I know how the ageism works. I'm just content to have a well paying job and have my kids healthy and out of the house. grandkids are soooo much cooler.

424 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:10:18pm

re: #408 MandyManners

At least she's keeping busy.

I feel bad for her. I know she acted poorly to say the least, but she did serve her country. Maybe as I get older, I am more tolerant of people's faults or defects. We all have them.

425 BrendaK  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:10:19pm

ElBaradei must not have heard of the Hague ('world court') - where the accused is held guilty until proven innocent.

Imagine that.

426 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #422 DaddyG

Well said!

427 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:11:20pm

re: #414 reine.de.tout

I do too!
And green stamps.
Bought my first hair dryer with those stamps.
Long time ago ...

And we saved books and books of them. Refresh my memory - how did we "earn" those green stamps?

How many books did you need for that hair dryer - probably the over-the-head dome type right. No hand helds back then : )

428 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:11:30pm

re: #422 DaddyG

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Our system of Government is radical and different from any tried previously in modern times. The reason it works despite technologies and circumstances the founding fathers never anticipated is because it relies on the people to staff it and keep it accountable.

We do not need to fear any kind of innovation. We thrive on it.

We do not need to fear population - our people are our strength.

Our government "for the people and by the people" will only ever fail if we lose our virtue as a nation and begin to love material security more than liberty and justice. Then we will put power in the hands of those who promise us everything for nothing but who will instead make slaves of us all.

You must have missed the revolution Charlie, "begin to love material security more than liberty and justice" is just what we have become.

And as I said, when you have 300 million people, with the majority of them loving "material security more than liberty and justice" more than anything, then our Constitution and Bill of Rights crumble.

429 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:11:33pm

re: #424 Nevergiveup

I feel bad for her. I know she acted poorly to say the least, but she did serve her country. Maybe as I get older, I am more tolerant of people's faults or defects. We all have them.

Well, we don't drive long distances to kidnap someone now, do we?

430 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:12:28pm

‘Defamation’ of Islam Resolution Set to Pass, but Losing Ground


A United Nations committee has passed a controversial “defamation of religions” draft resolution but, amid freedom of expression concerns, the measure looks set to get less support when it comes to a final vote next month, than in previous years.

Monday’s vote in the General Assembly’s Third Committee, which deals with social, cultural, and humanitarian issues, saw more countries either abstain or oppose the resolution than vote in favor – an indication, critics say, that the push back against the Islamic bloc-driven campaign is gaining traction.

The measure, which calls on all countries to ensure their legal systems provide protection against “acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from defamation of religions,” passed in the Third Committee by a 85-50 vote, with 42 countries abstaining.

431 dadog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:12:39pm

Thats the only thing I can thinkl of.re: #385 Jetpilot1101

432 saberry0530  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:12:48pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Well, we don't drive long distances to kidnap someone now, do we?

At least not this week.....
////

433 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:12:50pm

re: #422 DaddyG

. . .
Our government "for the people and by the people" will only ever fail if we lose our virtue as a nation and begin to love material security more than liberty and justice. Then we will put power in the hands of those who promise us everything for nothing but who will instead make slaves of us all.

Power will soon be in the hands of someone whose supporters refer to his upcoming tenure as "ruling" rather than "serving".

434 Last Mohican  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:13:00pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Well, we don't drive long distances to kidnap someone now, do we?

Certainly not! Most of us are more responsible about our greenhouse gas emissions.

435 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #423 Eowyn2

being 50 myself, I know how the ageism works. I'm just content to have a well paying job and have my kids healthy and out of the house. grandkids are soooo much cooler.

Well, I'm content that I have any job that pays the bills. So, it's well paying as far as my current needs are. But I'm always two weeks away from crashing. Between my former salary and the ex-wife's (she kicked me out when the Dept. of Energy job went south), we were over 6 figures. Now I'm at 18 grand gross.

436 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:14:27pm

re: #427 midwestgak

And we saved books and books of them. Refresh my memory - how did we "earn" those green stamps?

How many books did you need for that hair dryer - probably the over-the-head dome type right. No hand helds back then : )

We got the stamps at the grocery store. My mom would check her receipt and count her stamps before we would leave.

It was indeed the over-the-head bonnet style hairdryer. I can't recall how many books it was. I do remember filling in the books, yech.

437 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:14:28pm
438 Desert Dog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:14:32pm

re: #434 Last Mohican

Certainly not! Most of us are more responsible about our greenhouse gas emissions.

Right, I usually do my kidnap locally. It saves on gas AND diapers!

439 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:15:33pm

re: #420 Ben Hur

I just find it ironic that he uses "innocent until proven guilty" - a benchmark of WESTERN society, to defend totalitarians.

But hey, it's ElBaradei.

But seriously, look at these family portraits.

[Link: comedyjuice.com...]

Innocent until proven guilty isnt not necessarily western. In the 1800s, England was still imprisoning people until they were proven INNOCENT not the other way around and if nobody was out there fighting to prove you innocent, you rotted in hell.

440 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:15:56pm

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

441 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:02pm

re: #438 Desert Dog

Right, I usually do my kidnap locally. It saves on gas AND diapers!

With an elaborate system of ropes, pulleys, and trapdoors, you dont even have to leave the house.

442 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:07pm

re: #436 reine.de.tout

I do remember filling in the books, yech.

LOL. Not tasty at all.

443 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:13pm

re: #389 jcm

Historic Victory Plate™

Own it!

Throw it!

That was unintentionally hilarious! Especially the guy writing something, then looking over to the plate for approval. It's the Plan 9 of dinnerware!

444 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:18pm

re: #432 saberry0530

At least not this week.....
////

Yeah, it'd take at least two weeks to plan this after obsessing about it for a month or three.

445 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:20pm

Predators over Pakistan

If this perception is accurate, it indicates that U.S. commanders are receiving consistently excellent target intelligence from within the remotest badlands inside tribal Pakistan. And not just common military order-of-battle intelligence, but “man hunt” intelligence, thought to be the most difficult and fleeting kind.

Is it possible to think that the U.S. is generating such good intelligence entirely from its own organic assets? Here I am referring to overhead imagery, signal intelligence, and whatever human sources the U.S. may have unilaterally developed within the tribal areas.

It seems much more likely that the U.S. has achieved such consistently good results from the Predator strikes due to information it is receiving from the Pakistani government and intelligence service. Yet at the same time, the same Pakistani government protests against the strikes, regularly calling in the U.S. ambassador to the Foreign Ministry for a dressing-down. Meanwhile, the strikes continue, notching up more “bull’s-eyes.”

Next time you read about the Pakistani gov't complaining about the latest US Predator strike, remember, it's just for internal consumption. Somebody is giving the US very good intel on precisely where the bad guys are.

446 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:30pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Ask them to wrassle

447 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:16:50pm

re: #434 Last Mohican

Certainly not! Most of us are more responsible about our greenhouse gas emissions.

That's why we need high-speed trains: eco-friendly kidnapping.

448 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:17:01pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
/Senator John Blutarsky

449 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:17:07pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Well, we don't drive long distances to kidnap someone now, do we?

I never got the impression she would have really carried that out?

450 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:17:13pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Tell them the turkey was personally killed by Sarah Palin.

452 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:17:26pm

re: #441 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

With an elaborate system of ropes, pulleys, and trapdoors, you dont even have to leave the house.

LOL - Good one!

453 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:17:44pm

re: #421 Walter L. Newton

He has a online Mad-libs song generator. he must, or he's insane.

Damn, my whole concept of good and evil has been destroyed.

454 debutaunt  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:17:47pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

I just keep repeating: "It's gonna be great!"

455 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:18:01pm

re: #448 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #450 Kenneth

You guys folks are too funny! Thanks!

456 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:18:15pm

re: #451 lawhawk

Yikes!

457 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:18:52pm

re: #439 Eowyn2

Innocent until proven guilty isnt not necessarily western. In the 1800s, England was still imprisoning people until they were proven INNOCENT not the other way around and if nobody was out there fighting to prove you innocent, you rotted in hell.

Well....OK then.

Did you at least check out those family portraits?!?!?

458 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:19:03pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

My advice.

459 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:19:10pm

re: #436 reine.de.tout

We got the stamps at the grocery store. My mom would check her receipt and count her stamps before we would leave.

It was indeed the over-the-head bonnet style hairdryer. I can't recall how many books it was. I do remember filling in the books, yech.

did your hair dryer also have the nail polish dryer?

460 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:19:25pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Shotgun. And enough rounds.

461 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:19:27pm

re: #451 lawhawk

OT:
Brits catch al Qaeda trying to buy old British ambulances.

They could have gotten some old Fiat ambulances for free, but thought better of it.

462 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:19:37pm

re: #449 Nevergiveup

I never got the impression she would have really carried that out?

She had the intent.

463 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:19:58pm

re: #450 Kenneth

Tell them the turkey was personally killed by Sarah Palin.

Brilliant!

464 DeafDog  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:20:33pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Start a debate on which of Obama's cabinet secretaries will be thrown under the bus first when all his policies start back-firing.

My money's on Tim Geitner, but tossing Hillary early would be the funniest.

465 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:20:43pm

re: #445 Kenneth


The real idiocy has been from the left, who, from the outset never understood that it takes time to set-up an intelligence network.

We are now seeing the fruits of good humint.

They wanted it immeadiately.

466 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:20:45pm

re: #457 Ben Hur

Well....OK then.

Did you at least check out those family portraits?!?!?

My brain is still reeling.

467 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:20:58pm

re: #453 Eowyn2

Damn, my whole concept of good and evil has been destroyed.

Havent we moved beyond good and evil?

468 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:20:59pm

re: #459 Eowyn2

did your hair dryer also have the nail polish dryer?

Of course! Not that it worked very well, if I recall correctly.
I think everybody in the world had one of those hair dryers at one time or another.

469 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:21:28pm

re: #464 DeafDog

Start a debate on which of Obama's cabinet secretaries will be thrown under the bus first when all his policies start back-firing.

My money's on Tim Geitner, but tossing Hillary early would be the funniest.

I'm going to take all the advice. SHould make for an interesting meal. Got to go Lizards, have a great day!

470 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:21:41pm

re: #468 reine.de.tout

Of course! Not that it worked very well, if I recall correctly. I think everybody in the world had one of those hair dryers at one time or another.

How did one dry their nails before that?

471 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:22:57pm

re: #469 Jetpilot1101

I'm going to take all the advice. SHould make for an interesting meal. Got to go Lizards, have a great day!

Oh goody. I want to know which ones my shotgun advice was used on. Get back to us (or maybe I'll read about it in the news on Friday).

472 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:22:58pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Bless your heart {Jet}. Come late, leave early.

473 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:23:15pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

lots of drumsticks.

474 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:23:16pm

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

How did one dry their nails before that?

Time.
And blowing on the nails.
And waving your hands around in the air.
Which was the same method employed again when the nail dryer didn't work.

475 opnion  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:23:30pm

re: #428 Walter L. Newton

You must have missed the revolution Charlie, "begin to love material security more than liberty and justice" is just what we have become.

And as I said, when you have 300 million people, with the majority of them loving "material security more than liberty and justice" more than anything, then our Constitution and Bill of Rights crumble.


Walter, that is a very sobering analysis and unfortunately has some me
What had long been the American ethic is being squeezed by several factors. A group ofimmigrants that for whatever reason choose not to assimilate, many illegal. One school off thought holds that armed defence of the Republic is silly since we are invincible.
Another school of thought sees themselves as citizens of the world. therefore President Obama.
You have to believe that this is a path to ruin, but can be reversed.

476 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:23:49pm
477 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:24:20pm

re: #450 Kenneth

Tell them the turkey was personally killed executed by Sarah Palin.

478 So?  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:25:02pm

Is there some legal basis to kick ElBaradei out of the USA?

479 the_flying_pig  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:25:11pm

Mohamed ElBaradei has no basis and no business to continue as the chief of IAEA. JHC, who let that moron take the job in the first place?

480 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:25:32pm

re: #462 MandyManners

She had the intent.

You don't give her any credit for past service? You would Be a tough Judge! As it is she is going to loose her Commission, her pension, and just about everything else? I'm not saying she is not guilty of alot but I still feel sorry for her.

481 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:26:15pm

re: #476 buzzsawmonkey

If they get really obnoxious, ask them why they cannot show grace in victory.

Buzz - they're moonbats. be rational.

482 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:26:16pm

re: #455 Jetpilot1101

Or you can say something like,


"Isn't it great? Now that Obama has picked a US Marine for his National Security Adviser, the US can really start kickin' jihadi ass!"

Then sit back & watch the moonbats do mental back-flips. It should provide plenty of amusement for the rest of the night.

483 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:26:23pm

re: #428 Walter L. Newton

You must have missed the revolution Charlie, "begin to love material security more than liberty and justice" is just what we have become.

And as I said, when you have 300 million people, with the majority of them loving "material security more than liberty and justice" more than anything, then our Constitution and Bill of Rights crumble.

We are at a crossroads now. I don't think it is too late but we are flirting with some very dangerous landmarks (more receiving government support than are giving it, the American idol election, etc.)

I have not given up on our country and the people who make it up.

484 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:26:54pm
485 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:26:56pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Heavy duty ear plugs.

486 WriterMom  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:28:24pm

re: #197 Occasional Reader

{WHACK}

Witness the beauty of reading threads backwards.

487 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:28:25pm

re: #480 Nevergiveup

You don't give her any credit for past service? You would Be a tough Judge! As it is she is going to loose her Commission, her pension, and just about everything else? I'm not saying she is not guilty of alot but I still feel sorry for her.

Well, the man was caddish but, that doesn't let her off the hook.

488 WriterMom  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:29:07pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

Nod and smile, keep mouth shut.

Repeat.

489 opnion  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:29:45pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?


I have the same issue, we are a clan divided.
just say, "Hey I want him to succeed, he's my president too ya know"
Then seal the deal & say, 'But ya know if the guy wears a prayer cap & robes at the inauguration & swears on a Koran, I will be a little suspicious."
That will promote familial harmony.

490 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:30:03pm

re: #475 opnion

Walter, that is a very sobering analysis and unfortunately has some me
What had long been the American ethic is being squeezed by several factors. A group ofimmigrants that for whatever reason choose not to assimilate, many illegal. One school off thought holds that armed defence of the Republic is silly since we are invincible.
Another school of thought sees themselves as citizens of the world. therefore President Obama.
You have to believe that this is a path to ruin, but can be reversed.

And that's my point that I made far above in a post. I wonder if our foundation can withstand the actual number of people we now have in this country, legal or otherwise.

If you have 300 million people, and more and more of them loving "material security more than liberty and justice," and this is all braced up by more new technology (which includes "material pleasures"), can our system start to crumble?

Our foundation was created on a country where the population was the foundation. Over the years, we have replaced this foundation with laws, technology, entertainment and government programs. So now, we are not taking care of ourselves, we are letting the system do that, in many ways.

It's going to tip over.

491 So?  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:30:03pm

EL KABONG!

492 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:30:08pm

re: #479 the_flying_pig

Mohamed ElBaradei has no basis and no business to continue as the chief of IAEA. JHC, who let that moron take the job in the first place?

I;ve posted this before -

You must remember that these positions have to be approved by the Sec Council (IIRC) or some other large group of countries.

That means EACH and EVERY country has to agree.

The list of candidates is long.

Can you imagine how many names they have to go through until there is a consensus?

493 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:30:27pm

Engrish of The Day

/making vacation plans for Thailand...

494 So?  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:30:59pm

re: #492 Ben Hur

I;ve posted this before -

You must remember that these positions have to be approved by the Sec Council (IIRC) or some other large group of countries.

That means EACH and EVERY country has to agree.

The list of candidates is long.

Can you imagine how many names they have to go through until there is a consensus?

GET RID OF THE LOT OF THEM!

495 Nevergiveup  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:32:07pm

Surprise! 9th Circuit Blocks Drilling In One of Few Places Congress Permits It

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

They really must hate America?

496 DaddyG  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:33:09pm

re: #489 opnion

I have the same issue, we are a clan divided.
just say, "Hey I want him to succeed, he's my president too ya know"
Then seal the deal & say, 'But ya know if the guy wears a prayer cap & robes at the inauguration & swears on a Koran, I will be a little suspicious."
That will promote familial harmony.

You could go subtle and tell them "He's my President come January - and I hope and pray those who didn't vote for him will support him just as much as all of you have respected and supported our President these last 8 years."

497 opnion  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:33:21pm

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

And that's my point that I made far above in a post. I wonder if our foundation can withstand the actual number of people we now have in this country, legal or otherwise.

If you have 300 million people, and more and more of them loving "material security more than liberty and justice," and this is all braced up by more new technology (which includes "material pleasures"), can our system start to crumble?

Our foundation was created on a country where the population was the foundation. Over the years, we have replaced this foundation with laws, technology, entertainment and government programs. So now, we are not taking care of ourselves, we are letting the system do that, in many ways.

It's going to tip over.


It could reach a tipping point, but you have to hope for an outbreak of national sanity>

498 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:33:32pm

re: #457 Ben Hur

Well....OK then.

Did you at least check out those family portraits?!?!?

It is still one of the things that hit me in the same vein it hit you.

499 Meremortal  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:33:34pm

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Well, I have been wondering if the foundation, as set up by the founding fathers has not reached a breaking point.

How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand up to 300 million plus people?
How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand up to the ability of almost any small group of people to broadcast their messages, wants, needs and ideas to everyone else, through the magic of technology.
How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights stand up to the pressures of a global economy, one that our forefathers could never have imagined.
How does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights support our two party system any longer. Or are we tracking toward a parliamentary system someday.
Is it a system versus population growth, and when does it fall?


Hi Walter. I think the larger problem is: How does the Con+BOR stand up to a professional political class that acts in its' own interest rather than the interest of the populace? The founding fathers envisioned a government staffed by citizens on a temporary basis, citizens who would return to the private sector after a short stint at government work. Government is now a profession harried by lobbyists and staffed by politicos who have never worked in the real world.

Regards,
MM

500 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:34:02pm

Moving along ---->

501 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:34:29pm

re: #495 Nevergiveup

Surprise! 9th Circuit Blocks Drilling In One of Few Places Congress Permits It

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

They really must hate America?

NO.

They really LOVE America.

That's why they don't want to see her raped by your big oil companies.

They'd rather you rape the Third World, where they can't see it.

502 TaeJohnDo  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:34:47pm

re: #493 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Engrish of The Day

/making vacation plans for Thailand...

Afterwards, you can go to a place I saw in Bangkok -- "Dr. So and So's Dental and VD Clinic."

503 opnion  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:34:53pm

re: #496 DaddyG

You could go subtle and tell them "He's my President come January - and I hope and pray those who didn't vote for him will support him just as much as all of you have respected and supported our President these last 8 years."

Damn, thats good. Or how about he deserves the same defference given to Sarah Palin by you & your friends.

504 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:35:07pm

re: #498 Eowyn2

Where are you from?

505 MandyManners  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:35:17pm

re: #493 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Engrish of The Day

/making vacation plans for Thailand...

Poor Sue.

506 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:35:31pm

re: #499 Meremortal

Hi Walter. I think the larger problem is: How does the Con+BOR stand up to a professional political class that acts in its' own interest rather than the interest of the populace? The founding fathers envisioned a government staffed by citizens on a temporary basis, citizens who would return to the private sector after a short stint at government work. Government is now a profession harried by lobbyists and staffed by politicos who have never worked in the real world.

Regards,
MM

-------> take this over there if you want

507 Cathypop  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:35:42pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?


One or all of you needs to get really drunk.

508 rawmuse  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:36:30pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

Get new relatives.

509 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:36:43pm

re: #493 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Engrish of The Day

/making vacation plans for Thailand...

change vacation plans pronto.
their heading into a civil war. yellow shirt vs red shirt. militants were holding the airport tonight (thai time so that was early this morning) lots of restiveness going on.

510 quickjustice  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:37:10pm

re: #252 lawhawk

The government should privatize AMTRAK operations, while retaining ownership of the tracks and infrastructure. Obama can upgrade the infrastructure to permit genuine high speed rail on the East Coast.

511 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:37:48pm

re: #504 Ben Hur

Where are you from?

Montana montana the glory of the west
Of all the states from coast to coast its easily the best

512 WriterMom  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:37:49pm

re: #508 rawmuse

You are SOOOOOOOO Updinged on that, baby!

513 reine.de.tout  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:37:53pm

re: #493 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Engrish of The Day

/making vacation plans for Thailand...

Here's another possibly helpful site

514 midwestgak  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:38:24pm

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Here's a scary bedtime story. I was baking in my gas oven and for some reason the damn thing would turn off. Had to turn it off at the source. Apt management has not yet repaired it.

I cannot cook anything that cannot be nuked. Then I started thinking about my frig and water supply and bathroom plumbing facilities and ability to get to the grocery store assuming there's some food to buy there.

I am so vulnerable it is scary. I depend on things over which I have little or no control.

So I try not to think about it./

515 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:39:12pm

BenHur

Checked the family portraits.
Was a bit worried my family might be there.
not this week.
whew.

516 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:39:37pm

re: #450 Kenneth

Tell them the turkey was personally killed by Sarah Palin.

That is "executed."

517 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:39:41pm

Go in B-face.

(kidding!)

518 Ben Hur  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:40:18pm

re: #511 Eowyn2


Cool.

We'll all be moving there soon enough.

519 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:40:28pm

re: #514 midwestgak

I bought an old house with gas stove. Best way to clean the oven? I'm still afraid to bake in it. I think it hasn't been cleaned in 15 yrs.

520 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:42:59pm
521 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:43:52pm
522 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:45:02pm

re: #474 reine.de.tout

Time.
And blowing on the nails.
And waving your hands around in the air.
Which was the same method employed again when the nail dryer didn't work.

And the same method for getting Polaroids to develop.

523 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:46:30pm

re: #518 Ben Hur


Its a nice place. Can go from east boarder to west boarder in, um, five hours at 75 mph or there abouts. Its not as big as AK, TX, or CA but not as cold as AK, not as ugly as TX (my apologies to the txns) and not as moonbattified as CA.
There are places in the mountains you can hike into (takes stamina) and not see another person for a week or possibly two. Of course that only happens in the summer because nobody is foolish enough to start hiking over the mountains between mid-August and mid-June. Lizards are welcome. Moonbat relatives are not.

It would be nice to have you Ben, there is a dearth of Jewish peoples here.

524 Silhouette  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:47:07pm

re: #477 Eowyn2

A coke I owe thee.

525 Eowyn2  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:47:36pm

re: #521 buzzsawmonkey

we dont have a day labor corner.
not enough Canadians crossing the border i guess.

526 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:55:49pm
527 Kenneth  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 12:59:28pm

re: #512 WriterMom

Can I trade my moonbat relatives for your non-moonbat relatives? It sounds like a win-win deal to me.

528 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:00:04pm

re: #440 Jetpilot1101

OT: Any advice from the lizard army on how to deal with moonbat relatives this Thanksgiving in light of the messiah's impending coronation?

White wine and hash-brownies...............

529 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:00:34pm
530 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:02:21pm
531 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:13:41pm
532 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:16:34pm

re: #499 Meremortal

Hi Walter. I think the larger problem is: How does the Con+BOR stand up to a professional political class that acts in its' own interest rather than the interest of the populace? The founding fathers envisioned a government staffed by citizens on a temporary basis, citizens who would return to the private sector after a short stint at government work. Government is now a profession harried by lobbyists and staffed by politicos who have never worked in the real world.Regards,
MM

You are both right, but I would add that it is the amount of polarization in the country that is causing a good deal of the governmental paralysis and gridlock.
The Constitution is an imperfect document which itself recognized this by including an internal amending formula. It has been amended 27 times between 1776 and 1992, yet with the current degree of polarization of the American electorate, the Constitution may have become next to impossible to amend further. In fact a common refrain in recent decades has been that Congress has become too polarized and partisan to pass much in the way of even ordinary legislation. In order to relieve some of the pent up societal pressure for change the SCOTUS has often assumed an arguably antidemocratic quasi-legislative role, while on the other side of the ledger reactionary forces have sought the appointment of strict constructionists who would hamstring the Court.
Checks and balances gone wild?

533 KellyJ  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:37:02pm

So, If Baradei wants to treat this as a Legal matter, then we should demand the Right of Discovery. Syria must open all of her doors to the Prosecution; full unhindered inspection of the sites in question, full access to records, and the open deposition of the Leadership of the Country.

Still want to play that game?

534 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 1:45:15pm

re: #337 Iron Fist

I hope he's right. I hope Bush does pardon a lot of folks before he leaves office. Scotter Libby should be at the head of the list.

No. Compeon and Ramos.

JAFLW

535 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 2:27:06pm
536 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 2:48:35pm
537 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 3:28:02pm
538 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 3:31:06pm
539 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 3:33:41pm
540 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 3:38:55pm
541 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 3:49:27pm
542 damis  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 6:41:31pm

El Baradei is and remains a shifty, two timing UN bureaucrat, nominated at IAEA with support from the Clinton administration. Beholden to numerous Middle Eastern political connections and interests, egged on by European leftists and the Nobel prize socialite crowd, he is clearly a partisan voice in the debate. The reasons for which he is still kept in place at IAEA are connected to the US fear of creating an even more dangerous enemy.

543 dbe928  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 7:07:12pm

The whole UN system is so biased against Israel and in favor of West-haters, America-bashers, and assorted thugs that it really beggars belief. The bombed out Syrian plant had traces of radioactive materials. Obviously they were trying to play with nukes, probably with Iran and with North Korean help. Bombed out? Too bad. Let's look for a legal reactor so we, too can threaten Death to America, Death to Israel like big brother Ahmadinejad. These guys would be pitiful if they weren't dangerous.

544 EE  Tue, Nov 25, 2008 8:44:59pm

Iran's nuclear pursuit is resulting in mega-proliferation in the Middle East. ElBaradei is determined to support this mega-proliferation, and is using his agency at the UN to help promote it as much as possible.

Since Syria is under investigation, why doesn't he pursue the investigation, instead of just assuming that the investigation will not uncover anything?

Since his agency should be doing the investigation, this man is acting like a weasel when he announces that he will go ahead and use the UN agency to help Syria, since the investigation has not found sufficient evidence yet. And he has a conflict of interest, since he has already made it clear that he already knows the result that any investigation by him will yield. This guy's conflict of interest should be resolved by firing him from this job.

545 DaChew  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 7:50:14am

Baradei will insist on seeing all of Israel's evidence which Israel will refuse to do since it would compromise their clandestine activities in Syria. This will allow Baradei to declare his investigation completed and report that he found no evidence that Syria had a secret nuclear facility. That will allow Syria to declare that Israel attacked it unprovoked and the usual litany of "war crimes" BS will soon follow.


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