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Major Terror Attack in India

World | Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:22:24 am PST

A coordinated series of bombings and shootings in the Indian financial center of Mumbai: Terror attacks in Mumbai; 80 dead, over 250 injured-India.

MUMBAI: Terror struck the country’s financial capital late on Wednesday night as coordinate serial explosions and indiscriminate firing rocked eight areas across Mumbai including the crowded CST railway station, two five star hotels—Oberoi and Taj.

At least 80 people were dead and 250 injured in the terror attacks, hospital sources said.

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of CST and opened fire and threw grenades, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said.

The terror strike which began at 10:33 PM at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST), formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 10 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said.

Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and an equal number were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees. The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Fox News is reporting that there may be hostages inside the Taj Hotel.

UPDATE at 11/26/08 11:39:10 am:

An eyewitness on Fox said the terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

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1 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:23:44am

Madness.

2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:23:50am

I wonder what provoked the ROPers this time.

3 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:27am

And so it begins

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #1 Shug

Madness.

Radical Islam, so essentially the same thing.

5 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:41am

Self deleted response.re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

The mere existence of nonROPers?

6 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:44am

PAKISTAN.

7 yochanan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:49am
8 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:53am

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wonder what provoked the ROPers this time.

Anyone still breathing and not a muslim

9 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:25:28am

of course it could be mormons

10 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:25:34am

The 211 phoneline must be jammed.

11 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:25:40am
12 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:09am

It could be any number of jihadi groups, some with links to Pakistan, based on prior history of terror attacks in India.

Once again, it's a stark reminder that we can't let down our guard here in the States for one moment, lest we find ourselves in a similar situation.

13 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:14am

Heart jumped into chest again. Fiancée is in India. She and hers are safe.

14 ProudConserative  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:28am

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

15 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:52am

DId I mention how much I hate the cowardly, murdering bastards?

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:02am

First we get a report about an attack on New York, the US financial capital, and now we see Jihadis DID attack the Indian financial capital. Mere coincidence?

17 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:06am

re: #13 astronmr20

Heart jumped into chest again. Fiancée is in India. She and hers are safe.

very scary for you. Glad they are okay.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Don't be scared. C'mon in. That was a very pretty first post.

Thank you. Same to you and yours.

19 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:21am

re: #15 Silhouette

Democrats? I agree. Scum of the earth.

20 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:25am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.


Welcome!

21 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:34am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

What is a conserative? Like an opnion?

22 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:37am

re: #13 astronmr20

Heart jumped into chest again. Fiancée is in India. She and hers are safe.

My next-office-neighbor is Indian. His folks aren't in Mumbai.

23 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:01am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

Welcome Proud. Seems you're brave as well. First post.

24 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #15 Silhouette

DId I mention how much I hate the cowardly, murdering bastards?

Work it into your traditional Thanksgiving prayer.

25 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:21am
Fox News is reporting that there may be hostages inside the Taj Hotel.

Anyone who didn't make it to an exit on the lobby floor is a hostage it would seem.

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

Welcome.

27 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:26am

re: #21 debutaunt

What is a conserative? Like an opnion?

Doh!

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:37am

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

29 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:29:03am

re: #14 ProudConserative

kind of an ill timed comment, dontcha think ?.

hudreds of people just got wiped out

30 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:29:49am

By the sheer force of his personality and brilliance Obama will talk them out of further attacks.

31 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

ahhhh.....yes, the folks who invented fireworks--heh

32 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:34am

Obama issued a statement calling for both sides to show restraint.

/

33 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:43am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, the Chinese aren't noted for the way they cuddle up to people with whom they have a disagreement. Funny, the American and European Left never seem to call them out on it, either.

34 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:56am

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

35 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:31:10am

Hostages may be held. This isn't over. This is ongoing.

Prayers right now.

36 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:31:22am

re: #29 Shug

cut him some slack, he probably did not mean any disrespect, just a bit anxious to get on the thread.

37 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:31:50am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

They'd still be dealing with dozens dead and hundreds injured before they mounted a response. India has been dealing with Islamic terrorists for years, and hasn't gotten it under control.

38 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:32:16am

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

I'm more concerned about after 1/20/09.

39 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:32:25am

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wonder what provoked the ROPers this time.

life

40 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:33:26am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

may you grow strong in the way of scaly green things

41 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:33:29am

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

I suspect it will get reported and reported again so as to make Bush even lamer as the lame duck POTUS.

42 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:35:54am

re: #39 Eowyn2

Someone should take that away from them. As quickly as possible.

43 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:35:55am

re: #29 Shug

kind of an ill timed comment, dontcha think ?.

hudreds of people just got wiped out

Exactly, I thought maybe it would be better to say "Solemn Thanksgiving" or something like that...but "welcome" anyway hatchling. Con-s-er-at-i've been thankful?

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:36:27am

Thank you President Bush and those at your command.

45 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:36:59am

News of terrorist bombings in China do occasionally leak out. Nothing on this scale, though.

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

46 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:03am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

Burma (Myanmar) would no longer be independent.
The Chinese have no compunction eliminating anyone with a detrimental view of the way things are run.

47 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:15am

re: #29 Shug

Hi ProudConservative

Remember to use OT (off topic).

just shug off the previous comment.

We like {newbies}

48 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:17am

re: #36 2by2

cut him some slack, he probably did not mean any disrespect, just a bit anxious to get on the thread.

...and we scared him away already...

49 winston06  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:32am

Pakistan is involved in this!

50 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:49am

They're just freedom fighters fighting freedom....

51 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:56am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

Welcome. Be sure to always review the rules at the top when making a a comment.

52 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:56am

re: #49 winston06

Pakistan is involved in this!

O: INVADE!

53 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:11am

ROP strikes again.

Hi proudconservative.

54 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:11am

re: #42 Iron Fist

Someone should take that away from them. As quickly as possible.

you misunderstand. It is not their life that pisses them off. It is everyone else's.

55 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:38am

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

56 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:46am

re: #52 FurryOldGuyJeans

O: INVADE!

O: Damn terrorists, I'm just trying to eat my waffle!

57 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:04am

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank you President Bush and those at your command.

That deserves an upding.

58 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:05am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

WHAT?!?! Oh SHIT!

59 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:10am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

How are they going about finding that out?

60 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:13am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Interesting. Prelude to something else?

61 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Brits too? Interesting...

62 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:36am

re: #35 Silhouette

Hostages may be held. This isn't over. This is ongoing.

Prayers right now.

mine are there.

63 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:50am

live feed: [Link: broadband.indiatimes.com...]

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:56am

I know it is wrong, but I have hoped that Muslims would attack the Chi-coms.

But, you may have noticed, PETA activists don't picket biker bars either.

65 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:04am

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

66 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:05am

re: #55 Charles

That confirms it then: Presbyterians again!

67 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:10am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

If the target of their ire is the US/UK, but they attacked in India, it speaks well of how we are limiting access to them at home.

68 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:19am

re: #48 Right mind left

looks like it, hey, LGF isn't an easy environment, one needs to work up some courage in order to post here. So come back Conservative, they won't eat you, at least not with the shells still on.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:22am

re: #55 Charles

Shit.

70 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:23am

re: #59 midwestgak

How are they going about finding that out?

Sticking a gun in someones face and saying "let me see your passport"

71 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:32am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

Where? Here?

72 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:32am
73 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:56am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Any estimates on how many are there - both civilian/hostage and terrorist numbers? What is the best source for good info at this point?

74 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:09am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

Where, there, or in the US/Canada?

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:17am

I would not test the current POTUS. Just wouldn't do it.

76 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:28am

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

77 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:39am

In Mumbai.

78 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:46am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

It's the only reason they ever target hotels.

Example:

Jordan's 9/11 wasn't an attack on Jordan, but an attack on Westerners in a hotel.

And that question used to be reserved for Israelis/Jews on hijacked planes in the 70s.

To bad the "international community" did nothing then.

And they'll do nothing now.

79 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:00am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...


I didn't know they had Ramada Inns in India. They are obviously looking for Americans then.

80 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:21am

re: #55 Charles

This is truly disheartening, but welcome to being Jewish America/U.K.

81 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:36am

re: #77 Charles

In Mumbai.

Once again a testament to the prowess of how well our security and intelligence networks have been doing under President Bush.

I just feel bad for those other folks.

82 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:41am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Bad news all the way around.

And an British MEP is barricaded in one of the buildings taken by the terrorists.

Sajjad Karim, a Conservative MEP for the North West of England who is in Mumbai, saw a gunman opening fire in the lobby of Taj Mahal Palace Hotel.

Speaking by mobile phone from a barricaded basement room, the MEP said he and others had fled from machine-gun fire and had no idea why the hotel was targeted.

MEP Sajjad Karim fled after seeing a gunman open fire

He said: 'I was in the lobby of the hotel when gunmen came in and people started running. There were about 25 or 30 of us.

'Some of us split one way and some another. A gunman just stood there spraying bullets around, right next to me. I managed to turn away and I ran into the hotel kitchen and then we were shunted into a restaurant in the basement.

'We are now in the dark in this room and we've barricaded all the doors. It's really bad.'

Mr Karim is part of a delegation of Euro-MPs visiting Mumbai ahead of the forthcoming EU-India summit.

83 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:49am

re: #71 FurryOldGuyJeans

Where? Here?

Yes.

If you're in India.

84 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:57am

re: #78 Ben Hur

To bad the "international community" did nothing then.

And they'll do nothing now

Yes they will. They'll blame American and Zionist agression in the area as the root cause !

85 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:00am

re: #50 Hengineer

They're just freedom fighters fighting freedom....

I'm still at a loss at how anyone with an IQ over 70 wants so desperately to live (die for) a life of desperation, sadness, pain, anger, and just plain meanness. In 1400 years they have not yet figured out that there is a better way to live their lives.

86 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:06am

re: #55 Charles

time to get a Marine Corps Unit ready

87 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:12am

re: #76 Charles

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

No difference, they are hunting for American heads.

88 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:33am

This is shaping up to be more than just a "simple" terror attack now with multiple incidents and hostage taking. This is not good.

89 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:36am

Reports of firing at J J School of Arts and at Metro Cinema in Mumbai have come in. Details are awaited. A fourth blast shood Oberoi Hotel, where three terrorists are reported to have holed up. 25 dead bodies have been brought to St George hospital in Mumbai. A bomb was defused in Hotel Taj, where terrorists have been holed up.

90 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:41am

From the Times of India article:

Bhisham Mansukhani, a journalist, was attending a wedding reception at the Taj's Crystal Room. "I was inside the bar when glass shards almost hit my eye," he said. "More than 200 people were escorted inside Chambers, a business centre inside the hotel," he added.

I'm not sure I understand this -- does that mean the 200 people are being held hostage?

What a horrible story.

91 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:45am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

Which Ramada Inn - India, US, ......

92 gander  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:50am

Where does it end?

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:54am

re: #86 2by2

Mess. Them. Up.

94 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:44:41am

re: #84 sattv4u2

To bad the "international community" did nothing then.

And they'll do nothing now

Yes they will. They'll blame American and Zionist agression in the area as the root cause !

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

95 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:44:48am

Terrorists are reported to have hijacked a police gypsy during their attack in Mumbai tonight. Police were in hot chase of the gypsy. The terrorists are reported to be heavily armed with explosives and the gypsy has gone near J J school of arts.

what the hell is a police gypsy?

96 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:44:59am

re: #82 lawhawk


Mr Karim is part of a delegation of Euro-MPs visiting Mumbai ahead of the forthcoming EU-India summit.

That's why they attacked.

97 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:08am

re: #51 Honorary Yooper

Welcome. Be sure to always review the rules at the top when making a a comment.

Yes...Yooper..
Generally..Charles likes it when you come to his blog and tell him what to post..
You can have any opinion you want..but Charles really likes it if you start a thread flame and call everybody here assholes or worse..
Attack somebody for the hell of it..we encourage that.
The more Mandy Wacks the better we always say.
//////////

98 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:14am

re: #82 lawhawk


That's one lucky dude there, thought quickly under pressure.

99 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:19am

re: #94 Hengineer

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

/SARC (forgot, sorry)

100 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:27am

Luckily this will immediately stop occurring once Obama is POTUS.
/

101 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:29am

Of course Pakistan will condemn the terrorist targetting of civilians ON BOTH SIDES, in 3...2...1....

102 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:38am

re: #95 greenmiler

police van.

103 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:01am

re: #95 greenmiler

Terrorists are reported to have hijacked a police gypsy during their attack in Mumbai tonight. Police were in hot chase of the gypsy. The terrorists are reported to be heavily armed with explosives and the gypsy has gone near J J school of arts.

what the hell is a police gypsy?

under covers with earrings?

104 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:12am

The BBC is already protecting/advancing the cause of the terrorists by claiming that, while "Muslim extremists" are suspected, so maybe are some Hindu extremists.

Twisting themselves into pretzels in the name of 'fairness'.

105 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:16am

slightly ot
I dated a man from India. His parents owned a hotel chain in So India (5 or 6 small hotels.) As Christians, they were very familiar with the rop. Every time I read one of these things I wonder if he is okay.

106 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:21am

re: #94 Hengineer

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

That may have been funny if there weren't at this moment American tourists literally staring down a barrel of a gun as we speak

107 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:37am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

just seeing this on CNN..tragic..
Sorry i was lighthearted on the previous post.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:45am

re: #87 turn

No difference, they are hunting for American heads.

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

109 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:51am

re: #94 Hengineer

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

Land Of Zion - West

110 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:56am

re: #99 Hengineer

Don't say that too loudly, once the Arabs get wind of it, they are going to start making claims that it is actually theirs and the U.S. & Jews are occupying it.

111 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:58am

ty

112 TMF  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:59am

Clearly an attempt to distract from Sarah Palins horrific apathy to the slaughter of turkeys the other day, as well as her pricey wardrobe.

113 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:00am

re: #95 greenmiler

what the hell is a police gypsy?

a jeep:
[Link: farm3.static.flickr.com...]

114 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:03am

re: #86 2by2

The Indians have some first rate special forces commandos. They have been dealing with this kind for shit for quite a while now.

115 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:37am

According to police estimates, narly 50 terrorists were engaged in tonight's terror strikes in at least 10 places throughout Mumbai. The terrorists include 6 to 7 women. Two terrorists have been arrested by police, reports said. A red alert has been sounded throughout Maharashtra, Gujarat and the national capital Delhi.

116 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:53am

re: #104 Daisy

The BBC is already protecting/advancing the cause of the terrorists by claiming that, while "Muslim extremists" are suspected, so maybe are some Hindu extremists.

Twisting themselves into pretzels in the name of 'fairness'.

That's an improvment.

If it had happened in Israel/US they would've said:

Israel/US SAY or CLAIM it was the work of Muslim militants (even if the actual quote was 'terrorists') but this has yet to be confirmed by the BBC.

117 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:54am

re: #100 WrathofG-d

Luckily this will immediately stop occurring once Obama is POTUS.
/

If not sooner, since after all, he's President Elect.

118 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:56am

Via CNN, IBN reports that gunfights are still ongoing between the terrorists and Indian authorities.

119 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

what response?
Definately not:
From the Halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli
We will fight our contries battles
on the land and on the sea

Or

Penacaren alive or the razuli dead.

120 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:34am

ROPMA=Necromongers

121 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:43am

re: #110 WrathofG-d

Don't say that too loudly, once the Arabs get wind of it, they are going to start making claims that it is actually theirs and the U.S. & Jews are occupying it.

Like AL-ASKA.

122 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:46am

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror attacks are still ongoing.

123 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:55am

re: #117 Daisy

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

124 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:56am

The train bombings that killed 200 people and injured 700! last summer in Mumbai were carried out by the Students Islamic Movement of India. SIMI They seem to favor multiple consecutive attacks for maximum terror.

125 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:17am

re: #96 Kenneth

That's why they attacked.

Maybe, but then why not wait until the summit had actually started?

I suppose it doesn't pay to spend too much time wondering why they attacked now anyway. They pretend they have reasons, but there really is no reason, other than that they're Islamists and this is what Islamists do.

126 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:26am

re: #121 Ben Hur

Like AL-ASKA.

yes and CALIPHornia.

127 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:27am

re: #116 Ben Hur

That's an improvment.

If it had happened in Israel/US they would've said:

Israel/US SAY or CLAIM it was the work of Muslim militants (even if the actual quote was 'terrorists') but this has yet to be confirmed by the BBC.

You know what? That may be what the BBC did say. Sorry not to supply a link (gotta run) - but the BBC version is over at Drudge.

128 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:47am

re: #124 snowcrash

The train bombings that killed 200 people and injured 700! last summer in Mumbai were carried out by the Students Islamic Movement of India. SIMI They seem to favor multiple consecutive attacks for maximum terror.

It may be SIMI, but the support comes from Pakistan.

129 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:53am

re: #124 snowcrash

Oh, so they were only youths.

///

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:55am

re: #119 Eowyn2

I expect a Carteresque or Clintonian response, weak and worse than no response.

131 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:04am

re: #104 Daisy

The BBC is already protecting/advancing the cause of the terrorists by claiming that, while "Muslim extremists" are suspected, so maybe are some Hindu extremists.

Twisting themselves into pretzels in the name of 'fairness'.

Are there still Hindu's worshipping Kali?

132 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:04am

re: #114 Kenneth

The Indians have some first rate special forces commandos. They have been dealing with this kind for shit for quite a while now.

Hope they're using them fast and efficiently, this doesn't sound good and the longer it goes on the more difficult it will be to gain control over it.

133 UberInfidel67  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:05am

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

134 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:17am

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

Both arrogant and, God help us, "or what?"

135 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #126 WrathofG-d

yes and CALIPHornia.

Best.Ever.

136 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:42am

re: #117 Daisy

If not sooner, since after all, he's President Elect.

Not until the delegate to the Electoral College are seated and actually cast their ballots He ain't.

137 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:43am

re: #106 sattv4u2

That may have been funny if there weren't at this moment American tourists literally staring down a barrel of a gun as we speak

I'm aware of that, but there is always someone staring down the barrel of a gun from Muslim Extremists who blame everything on Americans, Westerners and Zionists.

I just found it weird that that national park was named "Zion"

138 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:46am

re: #3 midwestgak

And so it begins continues

sorry, that needed correction.

139 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:52am

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

Or ON 1/20/09 and after?

140 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #128 Ben Hur

It should be pointed out and repeated that the ATTACKS WERE CARRIED OUT by the STUDENTS Islamic Movement of India.

We should be double checking our own backyard "Student" organizations.

141 Land Shark  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:00am

My thoughts and prayers are with the peopleof Mumbai. God help them all.

142 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:03am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

That's what I was just thinking...wondering...I fear this is just the warm-up act, as frightening as it is and as tragic as it is. Hope the authorities can intercede before anything worse develops, but it looks serious already.

Biden suggested the crisis would be orchestrated. Generated. Systematic... and this is still Bush's watch, so ...

143 EuskalHerria  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:24am

Kaixo!

The followers of the "Religion of Peace" at work again!? Militant Islam is waging war against the Kuffar of all nations, not just Europe and the U.S. We are all Dar Al Harb, in the sights of Dar Al Islam. But we are not allowed to criticize the ROP or any of its tenets and beliefs, for fear of being called racists, bigots, and Islamophobes. Oh, well, the attacks happened in a foreign land on the other side of the globe. Besides, the only thing we really have to worry about is our struggling economy and jobs, while the Islamic terrorists are only a tiny portion of the 1.2 billion, mainly "peaceful and tolerant?" Muslim folks. Wake up, America! I fear it's too late for most of Europe-

Agur!

144 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

Our Messiah-King can't be arrogant, that's for mere mortals.

145 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:49am

re: #133 UberInfidel67

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

And that's why we call them terrorists. I'm sorry - and hope you get reassuring news soon.

146 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:50am

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

I expect a Carteresque or Clintonian response, weak and worse than no response.

somebody warn the aspirin factories

147 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:50am

re: #133 UberInfidel67

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

Ouch, My thoughts and prayers....

149 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:30am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

Obama will probably say he will attack India! These are troubling times and America is looking more and more like the last bastion of hope (oh shit I used that word)

150 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:33am

re: #136 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not until the delegate to the Electoral College are seated and actually cast their ballots He ain't.

President Elect Apparent.

Sure is a lot of qualifiers.

151 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:39am

re: #140 WrathofG-d

It should be pointed out and repeated that the ATTACKS WERE CARRIED OUT by the STUDENTS Islamic Movement of India.

We should be double checking our own backyard "Student" organizations.

I can only hope and pray that our government has already been double checking and keeping at least generally aware of these groups, on an ongoing basis.

152 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:47am

re: #121 Ben Hur

Like AL-ASKA.

or Al Abama.

153 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:53:00am

re: #117 Daisy

If not sooner, since after all, he's President Elect.

Not until the 10th of December.

155 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:53:24am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Of course Pakistan will condemn the terrorist targetting of civilians ON BOTH SIDES, in 3...2...1....

Bloody Pakis. ISI has their hands up these jihadis a**es I'll bet.

Indian Army should take the gloves off.
Unleash the Sikh and Gurkha regiments on the ROP'ers.

157 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:06am

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are you allowed to speak poorly of the PEOTUS?

158 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:09am

re: #136 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not until the delegates to the Electoral College are seated and actually cast their ballots He ain't.

PIMF! *sigh*

159 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:10am

I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for several years. My brothers and I went to school at the Lahore American Christian School. It has since been renamed as the Lahore American School. I wonder if it is a safe school now? I hardly think Pakistan is safe for any Americans anymore, and India's proximity to Pakistan makes it a dangerous place now too.

160 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:13am

re: #152 Honorary Yooper

or Al Abama.

Ar-Zion-A

(yea I'm just reaching)

161 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:28am

re: #156 debutaunt

Jeez - he's already ignoring the Constitution.

The Constitution is for peasants.
/ /

162 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:31am

But give the 'Palestinians' a state reichlet and all the terror will stop.

163 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:31am

This story is like 9/11-you reel from one horror and then another one gets reported on top of it. I'm having a serious flashback to that day, standing in front of the TV thinking, "When is it going to stop?"

164 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:32am

re: #146 Eowyn2

somebody warn the aspirin factories

And the baby food ones as well.

165 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:44am

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

166 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:00am

re: #159 father_of_10

I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for several years. My brothers and I went to school at the Lahore American Christian School. It has since been renamed as the Lahore American School. I wonder if it is a safe school now? I hardly think Pakistan is safe for any Americans anymore, and India's proximity to Pakistan makes it a dangerous place now too.

I'd be wondering if it still there, considering the state of Pakistan.

167 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:21am

re: #135 hermit

Best.Ever.

How about g-Al-lup, New Mexico?

168 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:22am
There are unconfirmed reports of at least 14 Westerners being held hostage by the gunmen, NVTV is reporting.

...
Several European lawmakers were among those inside the hotel.

169 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:29am

re: #156 debutaunt

Jeez - he's already ignoring the Constitution.

The Constitution is not Holy Writ for one such as our Messiah-King.

170 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:30am

re: #163 livefreeor die

This story is like 9/11-you reel from one horror and then another one gets reported on top of it. I'm having a serious flashback to that day, standing in front of the TV thinking, "When is it going to stop?"

When we're all dead or converted.

171 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #122 FurryOldGuyJeans

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.

172 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:44am

re: #153 bosforus

Not until the 10th of December.

That would be for the rest of us. But not Obama or his media.

173 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:51am

re: #137 Hengineer

I'm aware of that, but there is always someone staring down the barrel of a gun from Muslim Extremists who blame everything on Americans, Westerners and Zionists.

I just found it weird that that national park was named "Zion"

Yep, due to the Mormon influence in the area. There's also a Zion in Illinois as well.

174 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:56am

re: #152 Honorary Yooper

Hey, they probably already claim Palestine, Texas

and besides we should be happy that it is still OURkansas.

175 right Brain  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:18am

re: #170 Hengineer

Yes when we're all dead or converted.

176 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:22am

re: #165 Eowyn2

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

Perhaps but given the degree of coordination of the attacks it likely was planned before that happened. The jihadis have been targeting India for years now...remember the attack on the Indian Parliament right after 9-11?

177 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #157 WrathofG-d

Are you allowed to speak poorly of the PEOTUS?

PEAoTUS, apparently...

178 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #172 Daisy

That would be for the rest of us. But not Obama or his media.

I didn't even know about that "technicality" until today.

179 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #149 turn

Obama will probably say he will attack India! These are troubling times and America is looking more and more like the last bastion of hope (oh shit I used that word)


This is what the test is all about. ROP attacking foreign countries who call on the US for assistance. It is the call for assistance that will test the new administration. I do not think he will come to anyone's aid, this is the platform he was elected on. No more wars in foreign countries. The ROP are going to test this to the extreme.

180 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #129 Lively

Oh, so they were only youths.

...from tables on the International Database (IDB) I noticed that the population of the predominantly Muslim countries has increased dramatically.
World pop over '97 to '07 up 13%
Pop in Muslim countries for same period up 21%
Another interesting note is that the average age in those countries hovers around 18-24.

181 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:47am
At least 80 people were dead and 250 injured


Shit. this is no small attack.

Any word on if the terrorists were killed too?

182 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #149 turn

Or the Ö will tell us that it takes a village to break a few eggs and make an omelette. Or something even more universal and meaningless.

183 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:04am

re: #126 WrathofG-d

yes and CALIPHornia.


Nice one!

184 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:14am

re: #173 Honorary Yooper

Yep, due to the Mormon influence in the area. There's also a Zion in Illinois as well.

The national parks in the area are beautiful though. My parents are avid national park fans, and dragged my sisters and I to all those southwest ones as kids: Grand Canyon, Zion, Bryce Canyon, Cedar Breaks, Sequioa and Kings Canyon....

185 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #133 UberInfidel67

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

My prayers

Mumbai (Bombay) is on the east coast about mid continent.
Please keep us updated if possible.

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:17am

re: #157 WrathofG-d

Are you allowed to speak poorly of the PEOTUS?

At least I can until 20 January 2009. After it will be blasphemy.

187 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:28am

re: #166 Hengineer

I'd be wondering if it still there, considering the state of Pakistan.

They're still in business. The elite of Lahore go to school there now. Of course it used to be for the children of diplomats and the like.

188 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:29am

re: #179 A Kiwi Infidel

This is what the test is all about. ROP attacking foreign countries who call on the US for assistance. It is the call for assistance that will test the new administration. I do not think he will come to anyone's aid, this is the platform he was elected on. No more wars in foreign countries. The ROP are going to test this to the extreme.

And Biden's prediction comes true?

189 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:30am

re: #161 scottishbuzzsaw

The Constitution is for peasants.
/ /

peons?

190 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:49am

re: #162 Carl in Jerusalem

Alo Achy! Great to see you around here.

191 Crusty  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:52am

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

192 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:55am

re: #165 Eowyn2

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

but they paid them off.
Surely, paying terrorists gets you in their good graces
/

193 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:58am

re: #163 livefreeor die

This story is like 9/11-you reel from one horror and then another one gets reported on top of it. I'm having a serious flashback to that day, standing in front of the TV thinking, "When is it going to stop?"


Answer: When Islam is erased.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:03am

This might be stupid, the whole pirate thing? India attacked some pirates last week. Muslims right. Could that be their excuse de jour?

195 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:20am

re: #149 turn

Obama will probably say he will attack India! These are troubling times and America is looking more and more like the last bastion of hope (oh shit I used that word)

I hate when I say "bastion," too.

196 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:24am

re: #170 Hengineer

When we're all dead or converted.

Sorry, there's a choice missing-when they pry my "home security system" out of my cold, dead hands.

197 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:26am

re: #165 Eowyn2

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

That would be impossible because this Reuters headline says,

Islamists on trail of Somali pirates

See?

198 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:32am

re: #138 A Kiwi Infidel

sorry, that needed correction.

Good catch, AKI

199 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:54am

re: #155 Colonel Panik


Unleash the Sikh and Gurkha regiments on the ROP'ers.

THat I would like to see.

Quite the warriors.

I bet the Sikhs can still do it on elephants.

200 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:54am

re: #171 turn

fixed by Times UK.

FUCK 'EM. I don't read the rag, even online, nor need correction by the bastages.

I ain't getting mad at you, turn. :)

201 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:04am

re: #159 father_of_10

I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for several years. My brothers and I went to school at the Lahore American Christian School. It has since been renamed as the Lahore American School. I wonder if it is a safe school now? I hardly think Pakistan is safe for any Americans anymore, and India's proximity to Pakistan makes it a dangerous place now too.

Border fighting has been quite ferocious for years.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, didn't notice it was already brought up.

203 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This might be stupid, the whole pirate thing? India attacked some pirates last week. Muslims right. Could that be their excuse de jour?

Do these bastards even need an excuse anymore? I wonder if President-elect Obama still thinks we can talk to these animals?

204 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:50am

A link to relevant videos, including an eyewitness account: [Link: broadband.indiatimes.com...]

205 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:50am

re: #196 livefreeor die

Sorry, there's a choice missing-when they pry my "home security system" out of my cold, dead hands.

Heh, well I was just referring to radical Muslim Extremists. For some reason I doubt we'd ever kill them all, because I think in many cases its jealousy and a grab for power as to why many of the younger generations are recruited into their folds, so they'll always be fighting us until we're either dead or converted.

Then they'll start fighting each other.

206 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:53am

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

Ignore the email and go on with your day. When you see this Obama supporter tell her you watched football.

207 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:04pm

re: #181 FrogMarch

Shit. this is no small attack.

Any word on if the terrorists were killed too?

It is still ongoing!

208 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:17pm

re: #178 bosforus

I didn't even know about that "technicality" until today.

Me either. Then again, I don't recall any other "Almost Presidents" strutting around for months referring to themselves as "President Elect" - so it was never an issue.

209 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:22pm

re: #171 turn

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:33pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This might be stupid, the whole pirate thing? India attacked some pirates last week. Muslims right. Could that be their excuse de jour?

Like Jihadis need an excuse to riot or attack non-Muslim targets?

211 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:36pm

The terrorist attack would've been short-lived if the "people" had been armed. Obviously the terrorists have no small problems in getting guns. Heaven forbid the citizenry have the capabilities to self-protect.

212 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:40pm

Did anyone see the story on CNN a minute ago?
A man finally released from 19 years of prison after DNA evidence cleared him from a rape/murder case.
Sometimes we get really good news...His mother crying on TV..beautiful story..

213 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:42pm

Got to go lizards!

214 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:43pm

IBN live [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

215 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:50pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

And Biden's prediction comes true?

Yes, thats a worry, not so much a prediction as stating the obvious.

216 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:16pm

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

That one works for me. Or the collected Youtube sermons of Reverend "G_d d_mn" America Wright. Let "the chickens...come home...to roost" on Turkey Day.

217 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:29pm

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

Ignore the email and go on with your day. When you see this Obama supporter tell her you watched football.

Yes, tell her you'd rather watch the Detroit Lions play. Unless she doesn't know football, she should get the point.

218 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #156 debutaunt

Jeez - he's already ignoringinterpreting/bending/perverting the Constitution.

219 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:35pm

re: #179 A Kiwi Infidel

This is what the test is all about. ROP attacking foreign countries who call on the US for assistance. It is the call for assistance that will test the new administration. I do not think he will come to anyone's aid, this is the platform he was elected on. No more wars in foreign countries. The ROP are going to test this to the extreme.

Scary thought, then Biden's test is starting before O is even sworn in. If so we're f$%$#@'d

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:42pm

re: #203 Wyatt Earp

Do these bastards even need an excuse anymore? I wonder if President-elect Obama still thinks we can talk to these animals?

I would bet good money He is even more eager to bring His Revealed Word to the unbelieving masses, oh PBUH Our Messiah-King.

221 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

Ignore the email and go on with your day. When you see this Obama supporter tell her you watched football.

How about the simple "I actually spent time with my family instead of watching TV"

222 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:14pm

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

How not to get salmonella poisoning - or anything resembling it - on Thanksgiving?

223 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:15pm

. These attacks could lead to a war between India and Pakistan.

Mr. Obama had better have his game face on.

Prayers for the dead and wounded and for those held hostage.

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:33pm
225 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:38pm

re: #212 HoosierHoops

Did anyone see the story on CNN a minute ago?
A man finally released from 19 years of prison after DNA evidence cleared him from a rape/murder case.
Sometimes we get really good news...His mother crying on TV..beautiful story..

That never should have been...

226 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:39pm

re: #209 Shug

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

So people are being killed and injured by purported bullets? Can't FOX even report the news anymore?

227 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:44pm

re: #223 Tumulus11

. These attacks could lead to a war between India and Pakistan.

Mr. Obama had better have his game face on.

Prayers for the dead and wounded and for those held hostage.

"O" has a game face?

228 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:49pm

re: #195 DeafDog

I hate when I say "bastion," too.


You left off the sarc tag, I was talking about O's "hope"

229 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:11pm

re: #209 Shug

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

DOUBLE-FUCK Reuters.

Ain't getting mad at you, Shug. ;)

230 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:14pm

re: #192 Shug

but they paid them off.
Surely, paying terrorists gets you in their good graces
/

Wasn't it India's navy that went gung ho on one of the pirates. Did I dream that?

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:20pm

re: #203 Wyatt Earp

Wyatt? I'm guessing that the closer the 20th of January gets, the less inclined our President-Elect is to believe that they can be reasoned with.

232 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:23pm

India is in my prayers. See you all later.

233 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:32pm

Is it real, or is it the Onion. A headline on the net right now:

"Raul Castro tells Sean Penn he will meet Obama in Gitmo"

234 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:36pm

Well, Lizards, I am off. I wish all of you and yours a wonderful Thanksgiving. I likely will not see you again until next week, so take care.

*walks off with electronic thumb in the air...

235 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:36pm

Flare ups always happen during transitions.

236 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:58pm

re: #214 sadhu
Very nice link.

237 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:15pm

Obama had better understand that these terrorists are not fooling around. This is the real deal now and he had better be able to handle it.


In a market update, the DOW is up 181 at the moment. This is due to several factors:

1. The drop in the yield in the 10 years bond (basically a proxy for mortgage rates) is seen as a big positive. Mortgage money was trading in the 5.8% range this morning. Refinancing is starting to take place, so the take is the banking system may finally be thawing out a bit.

2. The general take on Wall Street is that the market is way oversold and there should be a 10% to 20% rally in the next few days to 2 weeks. The Thinking is we finally have our hands around the mortgage backed security issue.

But we are not out to the woods yet. The thinking is is also we will see another drop back down in January due to the ongoing ripple effects of the economic slowdown. Right now they think the bottom is about 7300 on the DOW.

238 AceR  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:17pm

re: #14 ProudConserative

Welcome!

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:19pm

Time for work. See y'all later.

240 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:19pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

And Biden's prediction comes true?

You mean OB will make the wrong decision and we won't agree with he? arg

241 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:28pm

re: #219 turn

Scary thought, then Biden's test is starting before O is even sworn in. If so we're f$%$#@'d


Yes, I can see the ROP testing the waters in, say, India, Turkey, Phillipines, Malaysia, perhaps some South East Asian countries, countries that have strategic significance. If there is no reaction then their sights turn to Israel. That is a very worrying thought.

242 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:32pm

re: #234 Ford_Prefect

Well, Lizards, I am off. I wish all of you and yours a wonderful Thanksgiving. I likely will not see you again until next week, so take care.

*walks off with electronic thumb in the air...

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Ford...

243 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:33pm

You know they haven't really pissed us off yet, the islamofascists.

I work closely with many Indian people and have for years as I am sure do many of you. I can tell you they are good people and a true friend to the west.

This is pissing me off.

244 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #235 Ben Hur

Flare ups always happen during transitions.

Do you mean the transition from a Democratic Republic to a Obamocracy?

245 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:41pm

re: #196 livefreeor die

Sorry, there's a choice missing-when they pry my "home security system" out of my cold, dead hands.

I need to get my security system upgraded.

246 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:08pm
227 father_of_10

"O" has a game face?

. Hope!

247 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:14pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The terrorist attack would've been short-lived if the "people" had been armed. Obviously the terrorists have no small problems in getting guns. Heaven forbid the citizenry have the capabilities to self-protect.

India has stringent gun laws, kind of like Britain, but in some places, notable Kashmir, they have been arming civilians to resist jihadi attacks. Snapped Shot had a photo essay last year of members of a Sikh regiment of the Indian army training a bunch of Hindu women in a Kashmiri village how to shoot Lee-Enfield's, AK-47's and the new INSAS assault rifle.

248 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:20pm
249 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:21pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

And Biden's prediction comes true?

I think they are going to hit us.

This is just a commercial to show Obama what is coming.

250 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:35pm

re: #233 Dave the.....

Is it real, or is it the Onion. A headline on the net right now:

"Raul Castro tells Sean Penn he will meet Obama in Gitmo"

Where's Fidel?
And who is Sean Penn?

251 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:41pm

There's a slightly more detailed account of the interest in Americans and Brits here. It's a sort of catalogue of the various attacks and maneuvers, and shows the breadth of the planning.

252 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:42pm

Has the left gotten the talking points out on how this really India's fault for one reason or another?

Or will they stay silent because they can't figure out a way to make it about hating the US.

All of their support for Pali terror and Al-quida Iraq terror has less to do, or actually has NOTHING to do, with their love of Palis or Iraqis, but there hatred of the US.

How will they spin this?

253 Brees  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:54pm

What's wrong with this article?

The reporter uses words like, terrorist & terror strike.

Shouldn't it be something like, alleged insurgent & protest march?

254 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:57pm

re: #240 midwestgak

You mean OB will make the wrong decision and we won't agree with he? arg

So far Our Messiah-King is on-track for fulfilling that part multiple times over, and then some.

255 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:01pm

re: #245 Eowyn2

I need to get my security system upgraded.

Home security systems have been harder to get lately-there's been a run on them since right before the elections. The hubby waited on line for hours the Sunday before the election.

256 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:07pm

re: #200 FurryOldGuyJeans

FUCK 'EM. I don't read the rag, even online, nor need correction by the bastages.

I ain't getting mad at you, turn. :)


I know, I was just off at Drudge reading his Times UK link. The first words of the article was "Gunmen stalked a hotel ..." I would have started "Terroists attacked ..." The UK better get ready for another "stalking" there, they are in serious Muslim trouble.

257 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #243 Harry Tuttle

You know they haven't really pissed us off yet, the islamofascists.

I work closely with many Indian people and have for years as I am sure do many of you. I can tell you they are good people and a true friend to the west.

This is pissing me off.

I agree 100%. Which is why I have a difficult time being angry about technical support from Agra or New Delhi. I know I most likely have a capitalist helping me.

258 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:30pm

Large young male population in a polygamous culture in which the wealthiest and most powerful men monopolize all the women... Doesn't bode well for lasting peace.

re: #180 hermit

...from tables on the International Database (IDB) I noticed that the population of the predominantly Muslim countries has increased dramatically.
World pop over '97 to '07 up 13%
Pop in Muslim countries for same period up 21%
Another interesting note is that the average age in those countries hovers around 18-24.

259 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:38pm

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

Dane-Geld
--Rudyard Kipling

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"

Yep, Europe kept paying Dane-Geld to the Barbary Pirates until the US finally said "enough" and actually fought and beat them!

260 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:40pm

re: #249 3 wood

I think they are going to hit us.

This is just a commercial to show Obama what is coming.

Wish we could change the channel.

261 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:47pm

re: #76 Charles

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

Marriot's seem to get a lot of "attention" from terrorists. Is that simply because there are a lot of them?

262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:50pm

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

I'd rather watch the Lions play. No, really!

263 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:52pm

re: #228 turn

You left off the sarc tag, I was talking about O's "hope"

I deserve that for forgettting the tag.

Moving on. There has been a new strain of Hindu terrorists in India (I kid you not). These terroriss include ex army officers and priests. It's a very sad situation....

Home Grown Indian Hindu Terrorists

264 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:04pm

re: #204 MrPaulRevere

Thanks for posting that.

265 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:20pm

re: #241 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, I can see the ROP testing the waters in, say, India, Turkey, Phillipines, Malaysia, perhaps some South East Asian countries, countries that have strategic significance. If there is no reaction then their sights turn to Israel. That is a very worrying thought.

Thailand is going to become very restive.

266 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:23pm

re: #209 Shug

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

This MSM PC shit is getting almost comical.

267 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:32pm

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

268 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:35pm

re: #257 father_of_10

I agree 100%. Which is why I have a difficult time being angry about technical support from Agra or New Delhi. I know I most likely have a capitalist helping me.

You mean someone who actually works to make the customer happy?

269 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:06pm

Am I the only one who thinks the whole world has lost it's mind?

270 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:08pm

re: #261 bosforus

No, its because the are the only people who wouldn't dare go into a Hilton.

271 rusty_armor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:17pm

Ho hum.

More of Allahs little extractors of vengance . . .

. . . I am just curious as to why Allah doesn't do his own killin'.

272 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:23pm

re: #261 bosforus

Marriot's seem to get a lot of "attention" from terrorists. Is that simply because there are a lot of them?

I a word,, yes

By explanation, they carved out a niche years ago to cater to American businessmen traveling that wanted a place to stay they knew!

273 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:43pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Has the left gotten the talking points out on how this really India's fault for one reason or another?

Those meanie Hindus and Sikhs were mistreating poor little Islamic Rage Boy!

/msm off

274 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:46pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

Umm, I think history shows that the Muslims can't get along with anyone . . . not even each other.

But yes, the partition of 1948 was just that.

275 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:01pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Has the left gotten the talking points out on how this really India's fault for one reason or another?

Or will they stay silent because they can't figure out a way to make it about hating the US.

All of their support for Pali terror and Al-quida Iraq terror has less to do, or actually has NOTHING to do, with their love of Palis or Iraqis, but there hatred of the US.

They will not spin it.
They will say "this is between India and her peoples, internal, and until you can prove otherwise, we must stay out of it. We wouldnt have wanted India interfering at Columbine"

How will they spin this?

276 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:09pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The terrorist attack would've been short-lived if the "people" had been armed. Obviously the terrorists have no small problems in getting guns. Heaven forbid the citizenry have the capabilities to self-protect.

You talking about the UK or India father?
semi /

277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:18pm

re: #270 WrathofG-d

No, its because the are the only people who wouldn't dare go into a Hilton.

Not going to make Paris Hilton joke. Too easy.

278 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:27pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

yep

279 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:29pm

re: #271 rusty_armor

Ho hum.

More of Allahs little extractors of vengance . . .

. . . I am just curious as to why Allah doesn't do his own killin'.


He doesn't seem to really help them out that much. Think of how many people got out of the Twin Towers before they collapsed.

280 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:40pm

I proposed to my fiancee at the Marriot in Hyderabad just 50 days ago. Security was unlike anything I had ever seen in India or anywhere else. Mirrors under the car, searched the trunk, dogs, etc.

They knew this was coming.

281 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:21pm
282 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:23pm

Does Zero plan on talking to the subhumans who consider him an apostate? I bet he craps in his pants what's ever left in his bowels when he gets the daily intelligence briefing.

I hope he surprises us. He fucking better.

283 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:38pm

re: #280 astronmr20

I proposed to my fiancee at the Marriot in Hyderabad just 50 days ago. Security was unlike anything I had ever seen in India or anywhere else. Mirrors under the car, searched the trunk, dogs, etc.

They knew this was coming.


all these precautions, and they can't stop it.

Makes me a little uneasy considering there is virtually no security anywhere in the USA and Britain

284 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:46pm

reine

Due to the seriousness of this thread, I will only say I got your email. : )

285 anti-looter  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:54pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

The Chinese tend to take a pragmatic non-PC approach to things, there is much to be admired with that approach.

286 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #251 Cognito


Well well well.

Good to see you back.

287 LaForzadelDestino  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:06pm

"Attackers"? "Gunmen"?

The Fox News anchor just now (sorry I didn't catch his name) is using the word "terrorists" in every sentence.

Good for him!

288 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:14pm

re: #185 Eowyn2

Mumbai is on the west coast of India about halfway down.

289 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:29pm

A senior police commissioner was killed during one the shoot-outs. Terrorists struck at 9 places, including hotels, train station, cinema, shopping districts, police stations

290 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:13pm

re: #260 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wish we could change the channel.

We have a 4 year long show coming.

I hope it has a good end.

291 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #287 LaForzadelDestino

"Attackers"? "Gunmen"?

The Fox News anchor just now (sorry I didn't catch his name) is using the word "terrorists" in every sentence.

Good for him!

He obviously didn't read the notice. Off to "Happy Camp" with him.

292 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

excellent two state solution wasn't it.

293 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:38pm

re: #253 Brees

What's wrong with this article?

The reporter uses words like, terrorist & terror strike.

Shouldn't it be something like, alleged insurgent & protest march?

Pointed out the same thing on the last thread.

It must be that the MSM hasn't figured out a way to blame India yet.

Or once they have a sit down with the terror leaders while they're planning more attacks, they'll here how they're really not terrorists.

Then, magically, they'll become militants, or conservatives.

294 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:41pm

re: #284 midwestgak

reine

Due to the seriousness of this thread, I will only say I got your email. : )


'k

295 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:58pm

re: #292 Eowyn2

excellent two state solution wasn't it.

The problem is the idea that you could appease that group of fanatics.

296 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:59pm

This is, at least to my knowledge, a truly unusual attack. It seems to resemble a one-night, full-scale battle more than a typical terror attack.

A partial list of places hit, from the story I cited previously:

* Leopold Cafe in Colaba, a favourite hangout with the tourist crowd in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Hotel Taj Intercontinental, a five-star hotel in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Hotel Trident (formerly Hotel Oberoi), a five-star hotel in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (Formerly Victoria Terminus), the headquarters of Central Railway and a World Heritage Building in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Bade Miyan Gali behind the Hotel Taj (Firing)

* Mazagaon (Explosion)

* Vile Parle suburb in north Mumbai (Explosion)

That's unique, in my experience.

297 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:05pm

The head of the Mumbai anti-terrorism police has been murdered

298 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:16pm

re: #249 3 wood

I think they are going to hit us.

This is just a commercial to show Obama what is coming.

I do not believe they will hit us over these next four short years. al Qaeda will, I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration. What a wonderful opportunity for them to expand with little resistance.

/why blow it?

299 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #237 3 wood


Hey 3, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but could the dem's have purposely contributed to the market moving down leading up to the election only to let it rebound once the O was elected? Way oversimplification but just a thought in the back of my head.

300 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:32pm

re: #263 DeafDog

I deserve that for forgettting the tag.

Moving on. There has been a new strain of Hindu terrorists in India (I kid you not). These terroriss include ex army officers and priests. It's a very sad situation....

Home Grown Indian Hindu Terrorists

Those were doing "false flag" ops to implicate muslims btw, and some of it is political, I think BJP vs RSS or some such.
On top of that there are tribal nationalists in the North near Bhutan/Nepal, Maoists and Naxalites. India's got problems.

301 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:34pm

On the news (Fox), it sounds like this situation is getting worse by the minute.

302 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #251 Cognito

There's a slightly more detailed account of the interest in Americans and Brits here. It's a sort of catalogue of the various attacks and maneuvers, and shows the breadth of the planning.

Interesting site name. Of course the name Managalorean calls to mind The Fifth Element and our proper response to Islamist hostage takers: [Bang!] "Anyone else want to negotiate?"

303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:45pm

I'm surprised that an attack like this hasn't happened here. It would be too easy to just open fire on crowded train stations, plazas, parks, etc. in a city, or even several at the same time.

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:48pm
305 Brees  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:58pm

#252

W's FAULT

306 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:00pm

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Charles -

And you find this surprising? With gasoline at about $1.75/gal. here in NJ their "benefactors" are much less able to contribute than the were for the last several years. Grab and perhaps kill a few Americans and Brits - shakes things up again, petrol prices and the requisite "zakat" rise accordingly. As you can see, I am NOT SURPRISED.

-S-

307 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:04pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

Yes, and while all Hindu left Pakistan, clearly not all Muslims left India.

See also: every other place partitioning is tried with Islam.

308 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:06pm

re: #251 Cognito


Why are you guys suddenly using "terrorists" and "terrorism" in your articles?

309 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:18pm

re: #297 Kenneth

The head of the Mumbai anti-terrorism police has been murdered


moles in the anti-terrorism police?

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Pointed out the same thing on the last thread.

It must be that the MSM hasn't figured out a way to blame India yet.

Or once they have a sit down with the terror leaders while they're planning more attacks, they'll here how they're really not terrorists.

Then, magically, they'll become militants, or conservatives.

They are trying to find a way to blame it all on Bush and Cheney.

311 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:36pm

These madmen need to be destroyed, like mad dogs.
India needs some concealed carry laws to be passed!

312 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #296 Cognito

This is, at least to my knowledge, a truly unusual attack. It seems to resemble a one-night, full-scale battle more than a typical terror attack.

A partial list of places hit, from the story I cited previously:

That's unique, in my experience.

That is bad. Numbers and coordination like that are very bad to see in the hands of an enemy.

313 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:00pm

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

arrogance is what you use when you don't have ability.

314 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:11pm

re: #290 3 wood

We have a 4 year long show coming.

I hope it has a good end.

The Mayans say 2012 is the end of the calendar... :O

315 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:20pm

re: #297 Kenneth

The head of the Mumbai anti-terrorism police has been murdered

My.

Yes, that seems to solidify what I was thinking in 296. This seems to be -- again, this is just to my knowledge -- a new breed of attack.

316 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:20pm

re: #288 neocon hippie

Mumbai is on the west coast of India about halfway down.


you're right. i'm wrong I had me east west left right mixed up. hyderabad is on the east coast.
(and i went to school when they still taugh geography)

317 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:33pm

re: #311 Wishing

These madmen need to be destroyed, like mad dogs.
India needs some concealed carry laws to be passed!

they could just make India a gun free zone. Toughen up the gun laws

/

318 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:42pm

re: #303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what always worries me. The loony left sits there and tries to deny the need for the war on terror and does everything they can to make it easier for a disaster like what happened in India today to happen here.
If it happens, they'll find some irrational way to blame Bush.

319 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:48pm

re: #309 Shug

Terrorists were waiting outside the station when the chief came out and shot him.

320 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:55pm

re: #308 Ben Hur

Why are you guys suddenly using "terrorists" and "terrorism" in your articles?

Because the Messiah-King is about to be anointed and crowned.

321 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:04pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

That is bad. Numbers and coordination like that are very bad to see in the hands of an enemy.

No student group/terrorist group is doing that type of logistical work without state support.

I still say PAKISTAN.

322 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:06pm

I cant vouch for the accuracy of this, just passing it along: Death toll in Mumbai attacks climbs to 200.... [Link: www.chinapost.com.tw...]

323 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:14pm

re: #241 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, I can see the ROP testing the waters in, say, India, Turkey, Phillipines, Malaysia, perhaps some South East Asian countries, countries that have strategic significance. If there is no reaction then their sights turn to Israel. That is a very worrying thought.

Islam is like a really stubborn foot fungus, when you think it is undercontrol in one area, BAM, it pops up somewhere else.

324 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:40pm

re: #299 turn

Hey 3, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but could the dem's have purposely contributed to the market moving down leading up to the election only to let it rebound once the O was elected? Way oversimplification but just a thought in the back of my head.

I think that is a real possibility. I have not found anything I can put my finger on for sure to say yes, but like I said the other day, I just have this feeling that there is some manipulation going on.

I suspect short selling manipulation but I can't get that confirmed.

Yet.

325 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:47pm

re: #322 MrPaulRevere

I cant vouch for the accuracy of this, just passing it along: Death toll in Mumbai attacks climbs to 200.... [Link: www.chinapost.com.tw...]

I just heard that too.

326 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:01pm

BBL.

327 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:11pm

re: #323 turn

Islam is like a really stubborn foot fungus, when you think it is undercontrol in one area, BAM, it pops up somewhere else.

More like the flesh-eating virus than a simple fungus.

328 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

From Instapundit:

IT’S SAD THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE REMINDED OF THIS: Despite Bells and Whistles, ‘Office of President-Elect’ Holds No Authority. “The props that decorate the stage for the Office of the President-elect serve as just that, since Barack Obama will hold no actual authority in the Executive Branch until Jan. 20.” On the other hand, if you get all your news from Keith Olbermann, you probably do need this reminder, among many others . . . .

UPDATE: “Are we experiencing an Obama Bubble?”

329 AceR  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #121 Ben Hur

Hoping upon hope, like Al-Gore.

330 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #223 Tumulus11

. These attacks could lead to a war between India and Pakistan.

Mr. Obama had better have his game face on.

Prayers for the dead and wounded and for those held hostage.

"Tum" -

If the balloon goes up, my bet is on India and a short, brutal war. Were it not for the possibility of a nuclear confrontation, I suspect the world would just stand back and let it happen.

-S-

331 Crusty  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:27pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know...is there a program on tomorrow of someone gnawing their own leg off to get away from an Obama-filled telescreen? If there is, that would be a good link.

If I turn on my own webcam there will be a program like that.

I'm going to tell her that I'd rather not spoil my appetite and send her the "Prairie Fire" link.

332 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:29pm

re: #308 Ben Hur

hahahahahahahahaa

333 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:42pm
334 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:43pm

re: #318 livefreeor die

That's what always worries me. The loony left sits there and tries to deny the need for the war on terror and does everything they can to make it easier for a disaster like what happened in India today to happen here.
If it happens, they'll find some irrational way to blame Bush.

This is when their racism comes out of the closet.

"This doesn't prove any terrorist threat. Stuff like that happens all the time in places like that. Backward, barbaric countries. Always has, always will. "

335 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:47pm

re: #324 3 wood

I think that is a real possibility. I have not found anything I can put my finger on for sure to say yes, but like I said the other day, I just have this feeling that there is some manipulation going on.

I suspect short selling manipulation but I can't get that confirmed.

Yet.

Soros comes to mind.

336 y0kkles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:54pm

re: #303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes. I have always wondered about that too.

My guess is they are concentrating their efforts on something bigger.

Let's pray we can prevent it.

337 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:09pm

Here's why this is happening in places like Mumbai rather than here:

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

338 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:19pm

re: #308 Ben Hur

Why are you guys suddenly using "terrorists" and "terrorism" in your articles?

Because it isn't Israel or the US.

339 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:20pm

re: #296 Cognito

thanks for that list

340 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:34pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I do not believe they will hit us over these next four short years. al Qaeda will, I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration. What a wonderful opportunity for them to expand with little resistance.

/why blow it?

Who is going to stop them?

Obama?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

341 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:56pm

re: #311 Wishing

These madmen need to be destroyed, like mad dogs.
India needs some concealed carry laws to be passed!

As well as OPEN carry laws. Glock on the hip is what they need. Bus boys with Barettas. Cabana boys with carbines. Maitre de's with MPKs. The Concierge needs a Calico M-900.

342 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:19:00pm

The coordination of the attacks makes it almost certain that these are AQ backed groups such as Lashkar e Taibr, Jaish e Muhammed (most of them are tied up in Dara Adam Khel atm however) or Harkut ul Jihad Islameyah. So LeT, JeM or HuJI (P more likely than B) with AQ providing planning are the likely groups.

The Naxalites hit a couple days ago, but this doesn't have their signature, and the Hindus are probably laying low after the recent revelations.

343 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:19:13pm

re: #321 Ben Hur

No student group/terrorist group is doing that type of logistical work without state support.

I still say PAKISTAN.

Iran would love the distraction these attacks are creating also.

344 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:19:39pm

re: #321 Ben Hur

No student group/terrorist group is doing that type of logistical work without state support.

I still say PAKISTAN.

Not impossible, but also not required. Bear in mind that India itself has a population of some 130 million Muslims. (That's not 130 million bad guys, of course. But if the percentages scale up, there are a lot of bad guys among the good.)

345 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:19pm

re: #258 Pyrocles

92% of countries who identify their primary religion as Muslim are above the world average in population growth. 27%, 4.3M, of total world population growth from '87 to '07, 16M, has happened in Muslim countries.The average age of the population in these countries is 18-24. AVERAGE! In the US it is 35-50.

346 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:22pm

Ironically, my two older sons are working on their Scout "Citizenship in the World" merit badge right now. They both have to research an international event and comment on it. I'll have them do that tonight. The hubby and I are making sure they get an accurate understanding of world events to make up for the pablum they get at school.

347 KathyP  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:24pm

CNN Int'l. just reported that there is no hostage situation, but that 2 gunmen were seen coming out of one of the hotels with about 15 people. So since they're not holed up in the hotel it's not a hostage situation? Maybe I should go back to watching Fox.

348 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:33pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration.


What better recruitment tool than successful attacks against the U.S.?

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:08pm

re: #333 buzzsawmonkey

If they do start using words like "terror" and "terrorism" then it may force the Obama Administration to actually respond to the threats--so, unjust though it may be given the way the media have soft-pedaled these things in order to discredit Bush, I'd give them a pass, to some extent.

I see it as more of a double-whammy used to discredit Bush, bad economy AND resurgent terrorism as he lame-ducks his way to being replaced by O.

350 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:11pm

re: #347 KathyP

CNN Int'l. just reported that there is no hostage situation, but that 2 gunmen were seen coming out of one of the hotels with about 15 people. So since they're not holed up in the hotel it's not a hostage situation? Maybe I should go back to watching Fox.

Relax. It's breaking news.

351 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:13pm

Sophisticated organization. Coordinated bombings. Multiple locations. Numerous attackers. Destabilizing results. Attacks on Brits and Americans.

Sounds like a terrorist group(s) to me.

352 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:26pm

re: #341 father_of_10

As well as OPEN carry laws. Glock on the hip is what they need. Bus boys with Barettas. Cabana boys with carbines. Maitre de's with MPKs. The Concierge needs a Calico M-900.

geez. I wonder if 'father_of_10' belongs to the NRA?
/

353 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:38pm

re: #347 KathyP

CNN Int'l. just reported that there is no hostage situation, but that 2 gunmen were seen coming out of one of the hotels with about 15 people. So since they're not holed up in the hotel it's not a hostage situation? Maybe I should go back to watching Fox.

What do they think those 15 people are, their fan club?
Must.Not.Go.Into.Labor.

354 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:43pm

re: #251 Cognito

There's a slightly more detailed account of the interest in Americans and Brits here. It's a sort of catalogue of the various attacks and maneuvers, and shows the breadth of the planning.

I'm liking the article already, they start right out calling them terrorists instead of gunman. Lots more detail, thanks for the link. BTW, I was surprised to see you back in, you must be sticking with your promises :.)

Man I'm falling way behind on this thread ...

355 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:56pm

Does anyone have the link for Fox news online?

356 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:58pm

re: #344 Cognito

There are some in the new Pakistani gov't who were trying to pursue reconciliation with India. Which means there were also others in the country who would do anything to scuttle it. Indian Muslim extremist groups would certainly be involved (the attackers are almost certainly Indians) but they may or may not have foreign support.

357 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:22:03pm

re: #354 turn

Promises?

358 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:22:08pm

re: #315 Cognito

This is almost certainly the work of Pakistan's Secret Service. It's way to complicated to be a domestic operation. These guys were trained and had a lot of intel.

359 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:22:21pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I do not believe they will hit us over these next four short years. al Qaeda will, I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration. What a wonderful opportunity for them to expand with little resistance.

/why blow it?

they will be small attacks to begin with.
a mall here
a school there
see what the response is.

I think we will see a lot of "sudden jihadi syndrome" being spouted for these tests.

It will also depend on what happens in congress in two years.

360 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #355 Wishing

Does anyone have the link for Fox news online?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

361 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:23:04pm

Cognito,

By the way, weren't you banned?

362 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:23:21pm

re: #358 Killgore Trout

This is almost certainly the work of Pakistan's Secret Service. It's way to complicated to be a domestic operation. These guys were trained and had a lot of intel.

I agree. It's way too well coordinated to be the work of amateurs.

363 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:02pm

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

364 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:14pm

re: #355 Wishing

Does anyone have the link for Fox news online?

foxnews.com

365 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:20pm

re: #300 Thanos

Those were doing "false flag" ops to implicate muslims btw, and some of it is political, I think BJP vs RSS or some such.
On top of that there are tribal nationalists in the North near Bhutan/Nepal, Maoists and Naxalites. India's got problems.

Exactly. Jihadis are not the only terrorist problem in India. Add Maoists and Tamil tigers.


This attack today though is signature Jihadi-style.

366 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:27pm
367 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:28pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

God have mercy on them and their families.

368 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:36pm

re: #362 livefreeor die

There are several Kashmiri terrorist groups with plenty of experience. However, the scale of this attack is much greater than anything before.

369 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:44pm

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

370 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:51pm

Another report here:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

371 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:04pm

re: #362 livefreeor die

I agree. It's way too well coordinated to be the work of amateurs.

I wouldn't doubt that, but I wouldn't suppose it either. It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming anything big and dangerous couldn't be the work of mere angry individuals.

Just ask (many) people in the Middle East about September 11.

372 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:07pm
373 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:07pm

re: #324 3 wood

I think that is a real possibility. I have not found anything I can put my finger on for sure to say yes, but like I said the other day, I just have this feeling that there is some manipulation going on.

I suspect short selling manipulation but I can't get that confirmed.

Yet.

Really? I must have missed you comment the other day. I thought I might have been way off base. Another stupid question, was the run up of oil prices by speculators a last ditch effort to cash in with them knowing the bottom of the overall market was soon to drop out?

374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:12pm

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

375 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:19pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

Bush's fault!

376 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:24pm

Oh phone with fiancee in hyderabad. She says something about some top cops being executed in Mumbai.

377 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:26pm

Is this the test Joe Biden was warning us about?

378 firedupengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:30pm

No need to worry. All terrorist attacks like these will cease on January 20th, 2009.

379 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:39pm

re: #348 bulwrk

I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration.


What better recruitment tool than successful attacks against the U.S.?

I don't know if recruitment is up when we're attacked. ?
I know it's up when we're doing the attacking.
Recruitment is dropping off at the moment - as hostilities are lessening.

380 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:42pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

Here we go.

I hope there are Delta operators airborne at this very moment.

381 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:42pm

Smells HuJI-P or LeT to me, both have ties to ISI. Just the other day Zardari said he was willing to commit to a "No first strike" stance with India if they would do the same, that's major movement of the ball on nuclear detente between Pakistan and India. It raised quite a furor within certain parties in Pakistan.

382 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:46pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

I would have needed serious blood pressure meds after that encounter!

383 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

no doubt she's wearing blinders. She will find a way to blame America

384 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:07pm

re: #347 KathyP
IBNLive has live streaming from Mumbai. Site is linked in # 214. Good coverage.

385 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #360 VegasRick

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Thanks! But all I have are tapes of the co vering of the shooting? Is there a LIVE in real time as well?

386 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:17pm

Live streaming Indian news.....

NDTV 24x7 Live

Mostly in English.

387 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:28pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

I believe this is a "The Kingdom" moment.

388 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:54pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

Britons?

I thought they were British. The "Britons" were a historical tribe of people the Romans conquered under Emperor Claudius.

389 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:03pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Indian Special Forces are very professional and serious. There are also many regular police who have been caught in gunfights today. At the moment it sounds like total chaos.

390 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:27pm

re: #388 Hengineer

Britons?

I thought they were British. The "Britons" were a historical tribe of people the Romans conquered under Emperor Claudius.

British, adjective.
Briton, noun.

391 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:28pm

re: #380 Occasional Reader

Here we go.

I hope there are Delta operators airborne at this very moment.

(And SAS.)

392 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:50pm

re: #263 DeafDog

I'm going to read that link later, dollars to donuts this was Islam though.

393 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:28:01pm

re: #389 Kenneth

Indian Special Forces are very professional and serious. There are also many regular police who have been caught in gunfights today. At the moment it sounds like total chaos.

How do India and Israel get along? I'm sure the Mossad would be happy to help them in their response to this.

394 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:28:10pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

shit.

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #379 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know if recruitment is up when we're attacked. ?
I know it's up when we're doing the attacking.
Recruitment is dropping off at the moment - as hostilities are lessening.

Recruitment is BOOMING, not dropping.

396 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:05pm

re: #358 Killgore Trout

Another ISI operation that never got much media play was the suicide bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

397 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:09pm

here's the Twitter #Mumbai blogger stream: [Link: search.twitter.com...]

398 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:17pm

re: #390 Cognito

British, adjective.
Briton, noun.

[Link: dictionary.weather.net...]

Main Entry:
Brit·on Listen to the pronunciation of Briton
Pronunciation:
ˈbri-tən
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English Breton, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French, from Latin Britton-, Britto, of Celtic origin; akin to Welsh Brython
Date:
13th century

1: a member of one of the peoples inhabiting Britain prior to the Anglo-Saxon invasions2: a native or subject of Great Britain ; especially : englishman

Huh, I guess you CAN refer to the modern UK as "Britons".

399 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Live streaming Indian news.....

NDTV 24x7 Live

Mostly in English.

Stinky jumps up when you click on that link.

400 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm surprised that an attack like this hasn't happened here. It would be too easy to just open fire on crowded train stations, plazas, parks, etc. in a city, or even several at the same time.

FYI - Mumbai is a popular target. Here are two previous attacks there. The July one was very similar to this one, but using the AK's with the bimbs seems to be a new wrinkle.

Mumbai in July 2008

July 2006

401 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:37pm
A link to relevant videos, including an eyewitness account: [Link: broadband.indiatimes.com...]

that ibnlive link is fantastic

thanks

402 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:44pm

re: #394 FrogMarch

NDTV live stream at #386. I haven't heard them mention the hostages yet.

403 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:46pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

I fear and expect that they'll get the same treatment that the Beslan captives got in Russia.

404 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:08pm

re: #395 FurryOldGuyJeans

Recruitment is BOOMING, not dropping.

We are referring to al Qaeda recruitment. But thanks. :)

405 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:09pm

re: #398 Hengineer

Huh, I guess you CAN refer to the modern UK as "Britons".

I'm not sure what "dictionary.weather.net" has to say about it, but yes, "Briton" is a modern standard usage.

406 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:22pm

re: #393 livefreeor die

Very close allies, in fact. They have the same enemies.

407 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #280 astronmr20

I proposed to my fiancee at the Marriot in Hyderabad just 50 days ago. Security was unlike anything I had ever seen in India or anywhere else. Mirrors under the car, searched the trunk, dogs, etc.

They knew this was coming.

Interesting. BTW an early congrats and a bit of advice, don't go back to India for your honeymoon.

408 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:39pm

re: #404 unrealizedviewpoint

We are referring to al Qaeda recruitment. But thanks. :)

Ahh, ;)

409 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:31:03pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

They are going to be highly effective at killing the terrorists, I wouldn't want to be a hostage however. They are pretty efficient, and well trained. The last big confrontation they were in the kicked ass on the Pakistani SSG.

410 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:31:46pm

per FoxNews live stream
Indian anti-terrorism chief Hemant Karkare was shot and killed.

Indian army going into the Trident Hotel.

411 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:31:50pm

Grenades still being thrown out of the Taj hotel

412 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:00pm

Son #1, who is a Marine reservist on active duty, told me last night that his unit is slated to go to Afghanistan in a few months. My BIL just returned from there earlier this year after a 14 month assignment with the Naval Reserves (I asked him where he parked his frickin' boat over there and he retorted in the usual Navy fashion. Officer and a gentleman? Hah!). Seems like that place will definitely be the next never-ending hell-hole.

413 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:01pm
414 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:04pm

re: #405 Cognito

I'm not sure what "dictionary.weather.net" has to say about it, but yes, "Briton" is a modern standard usage.

Oddly enough, if you click on it it goes to a "Mirrian Webster" Definition.

Just a quick google search

415 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:16pm

re: #399 VegasRick

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

416 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:33:04pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

Thank you, that works well.

417 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:33:45pm

40 held hostage at Trident Hotel , army entering the hotel soon.

418 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:33:55pm

IBN reporting Anti terrorist Police forces massing in front of the Taj Hotel Preparing for action. I cannot tell if it is just the Oberai with hostage situation.

419 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:34:09pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

The Indian authorities undoubtedly have elaborate contingency plans for hostage situations at places like the Taj. Part of the coordinated assault appears to be a preemptive attack on the anti-terrorism police, possibly in the hope of disrupting any immediate response. That, too, is probably one of the contingencies.

420 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:34:12pm

I better go. I have to make stuffing, cornbread, and other things we're contributing to the family Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. Sadly, it seems so trite to be worrying about cooking right now.

421 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:34:54pm

re: #395 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe he was referencing al-qaeda recruiting.

422 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:35:00pm

re: #413 Cognito

Latest.

Encounters on at Taj, Trident

"Encounters"?

Interesting usage.

423 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:35:05pm

re: #407 turn

Interesting. BTW an early congrats and a bit of advice, don't go back to India for your honeymoon.

We were planning to... not sure now.

424 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:35:26pm

In 1987, muslim countries represented 12% of the world population, by 2007, they represented 20%. This does NOT account for muslims living outside predominantly muslim countries. Only for those in a country which is identified as predominantly muslim.

425 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:01pm

Stand by for another finger-wagging about how we all have to try harder to be sensitive to Muslims.

And whoever said this had it exactly right: If you hear about a terrorist attack, minus the particulars, you'd have a hard time guessing where it happened. You would have no such hard time guessing who did it.

426 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:12pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

They are over-loaded.

427 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:12pm

The one heartening attribute of Obama, so far, is that he has been willing to break the promises he's made.

We're keeping Gitmo open, and we're keeping the same Defense Department. Maybe it takes an ostensible pro-Third-World pacifist to make the case for foreign interventions and national security to the Blue half.

428 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:17pm
429 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:25pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

40 held hostage at Trident Hotel , army entering the hotel soon.

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.

430 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:35pm

Police intercepted two boats full of explosives.

431 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:52pm

Insane moonbat commenter at cbc.ca:

Crazy? Ask an age old question: "Who would benefit?" Bushites, obamates and military contractors. US would forget about economic collapse for the time being and we would come closer to New World Order.

BDS & ODS in one!

432 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:13pm

re: #426 astronmr20

It took me a few tries to get their live stream to work.

433 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #429 father_of_10

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.


sadly, that's what these fanatics want. They want to go out in a blaze of martyrdom

434 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:30pm

re: #399 VegasRick

Stinky jumps up when you click on that link.

It is an unnerving experience.

435 gregg  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:42pm

I'm kind of surprised the U.S. stock markets are so strong in spite of the India attacks and rumors of foreign hostages.

436 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:08pm

re: #426 astronmr20
See comment #214 above for link to IBNlive streaming.

437 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:17pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

That works.

438 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:37pm

The future seemingly belongs to Islam. Which Islam will that be? The true "original" Islam of 7th century Arabia and the Prophet, or a reformed Westernized version? I pray for the latter...support the moderates wherever they may be.

re: #424 hermit

In 1987, muslim countries represented 12% of the world population, by 2007, they represented 20%. This does NOT account for muslims living outside predominantly muslim countries. Only for those in a country which is identified as predominantly muslim.

439 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:43pm

re: #428 buzzsawmonkeyMy concern is that the terrorists have learned from the Mongol tactics of "ring and run"
The Mongols would poke at an enemy's line of defense so they could see where the reinforcements came from. Classic strategy to see beyond the castle wall.

440 JacksonTn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:55pm

Well, I guess we will soon find out "which way the wind blows" for Obama and the muslims. I wonder if he is still in touch with any of his friends from his 1981 trip to Pakistan? He better do the right thing ...and I mean right from the git go ...

I pray for the families and victims of these murderers ...and for the lizards here who mentioned they had family and friends over there ...

441 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:01pm

re: #429 father_of_10

Agreed. These guys are regular army, not SWAT teams.

442 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #429 father_of_10

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.

What if the terrorists are booby trap laden? It's been known to happen/

443 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:07pm

re: #249 3 wood

What was it Obama's good terrorist buddies used to say? It doesn't take a Weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing?

444 machira  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:22pm

you can see it live on ibnlive.in.com

445 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:22pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

Oh holy f#$@, we had a Iranian hostage crisis under Carter and now we see what might be the start of an Indian hostage crisis under O.

BBL

446 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:24pm

re: #429 father_of_10

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.

On that latter point, I hope we're both wrong... I think hostage rescue attempts rarely go well when they are undertaken immediately. The good ones take a LOT of planning.

447 kulhwch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:30pm

The craven criminal cowards of the koran strike again.

}:)     [Allah's happy band of tard thugs. Ptui.]

448 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:41pm

IBN Live [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

(sound working?)