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Major Terror Attack in India

World | Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:22:24 am PST

A coordinated series of bombings and shootings in the Indian financial center of Mumbai: Terror attacks in Mumbai; 80 dead, over 250 injured-India.

MUMBAI: Terror struck the country’s financial capital late on Wednesday night as coordinate serial explosions and indiscriminate firing rocked eight areas across Mumbai including the crowded CST railway station, two five star hotels—Oberoi and Taj.

At least 80 people were dead and 250 injured in the terror attacks, hospital sources said.

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of CST and opened fire and threw grenades, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said.

The terror strike which began at 10:33 PM at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST), formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 10 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said.

Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and an equal number were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees. The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Fox News is reporting that there may be hostages inside the Taj Hotel.

UPDATE at 11/26/08 11:39:10 am:

An eyewitness on Fox said the terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

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1 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:23:44am

Madness.

2 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:23:50am

I wonder what provoked the ROPers this time.

3 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:27am

And so it begins

4 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #1 Shug

Madness.

Radical Islam, so essentially the same thing.

5 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:41am

Self deleted response.re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

The mere existence of nonROPers?

6 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:44am

PAKISTAN.

7 yochanan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:49am
8 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:24:53am

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wonder what provoked the ROPers this time.

Anyone still breathing and not a muslim

9 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:25:28am

of course it could be mormons

10 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:25:34am

The 211 phoneline must be jammed.

11 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:25:40am
12 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:09am

It could be any number of jihadi groups, some with links to Pakistan, based on prior history of terror attacks in India.

Once again, it's a stark reminder that we can't let down our guard here in the States for one moment, lest we find ourselves in a similar situation.

13 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:14am

Heart jumped into chest again. Fiancée is in India. She and hers are safe.

14 ProudConserative  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:28am

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

15 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:26:52am

DId I mention how much I hate the cowardly, murdering bastards?

16 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:02am

First we get a report about an attack on New York, the US financial capital, and now we see Jihadis DID attack the Indian financial capital. Mere coincidence?

17 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:06am

re: #13 astronmr20

Heart jumped into chest again. Fiancée is in India. She and hers are safe.

very scary for you. Glad they are okay.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Don't be scared. C'mon in. That was a very pretty first post.

Thank you. Same to you and yours.

19 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:21am

re: #15 Silhouette

Democrats? I agree. Scum of the earth.

20 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:25am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.


Welcome!

21 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:34am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

What is a conserative? Like an opnion?

22 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:27:37am

re: #13 astronmr20

Heart jumped into chest again. Fiancée is in India. She and hers are safe.

My next-office-neighbor is Indian. His folks aren't in Mumbai.

23 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:01am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

Welcome Proud. Seems you're brave as well. First post.

24 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #15 Silhouette

DId I mention how much I hate the cowardly, murdering bastards?

Work it into your traditional Thanksgiving prayer.

25 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:21am
Fox News is reporting that there may be hostages inside the Taj Hotel.

Anyone who didn't make it to an exit on the lobby floor is a hostage it would seem.

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

Welcome.

27 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:26am

re: #21 debutaunt

What is a conserative? Like an opnion?

Doh!

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:28:37am

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

29 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:29:03am

re: #14 ProudConserative

kind of an ill timed comment, dontcha think ?.

hudreds of people just got wiped out

30 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:29:49am

By the sheer force of his personality and brilliance Obama will talk them out of further attacks.

31 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

ahhhh.....yes, the folks who invented fireworks--heh

32 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:34am

Obama issued a statement calling for both sides to show restraint.

/

33 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:43am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, the Chinese aren't noted for the way they cuddle up to people with whom they have a disagreement. Funny, the American and European Left never seem to call them out on it, either.

34 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:30:56am

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

35 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:31:10am

Hostages may be held. This isn't over. This is ongoing.

Prayers right now.

36 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:31:22am

re: #29 Shug

cut him some slack, he probably did not mean any disrespect, just a bit anxious to get on the thread.

37 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:31:50am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

They'd still be dealing with dozens dead and hundreds injured before they mounted a response. India has been dealing with Islamic terrorists for years, and hasn't gotten it under control.

38 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:32:16am

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

I'm more concerned about after 1/20/09.

39 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:32:25am

re: #2 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wonder what provoked the ROPers this time.

life

40 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:33:26am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

may you grow strong in the way of scaly green things

41 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:33:29am

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

I suspect it will get reported and reported again so as to make Bush even lamer as the lame duck POTUS.

42 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:35:54am

re: #39 Eowyn2

Someone should take that away from them. As quickly as possible.

43 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:35:55am

re: #29 Shug

kind of an ill timed comment, dontcha think ?.

hudreds of people just got wiped out

Exactly, I thought maybe it would be better to say "Solemn Thanksgiving" or something like that...but "welcome" anyway hatchling. Con-s-er-at-i've been thankful?

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:36:27am

Thank you President Bush and those at your command.

45 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:36:59am

News of terrorist bombings in China do occasionally leak out. Nothing on this scale, though.

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

46 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:03am

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

Burma (Myanmar) would no longer be independent.
The Chinese have no compunction eliminating anyone with a detrimental view of the way things are run.

47 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:15am

re: #29 Shug

Hi ProudConservative

Remember to use OT (off topic).

just shug off the previous comment.

We like {newbies}

48 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:17am

re: #36 2by2

cut him some slack, he probably did not mean any disrespect, just a bit anxious to get on the thread.

...and we scared him away already...

49 winston06  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:32am

Pakistan is involved in this!

50 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:49am

They're just freedom fighters fighting freedom....

51 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:56am

re: #14 ProudConserative

Hello, All & Happy Thanksgiving,

New Hatchling here.

Welcome. Be sure to always review the rules at the top when making a a comment.

52 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:37:56am

re: #49 winston06

Pakistan is involved in this!

O: INVADE!

53 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:11am

ROP strikes again.

Hi proudconservative.

54 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:11am

re: #42 Iron Fist

Someone should take that away from them. As quickly as possible.

you misunderstand. It is not their life that pisses them off. It is everyone else's.

55 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:38am

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

56 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:38:46am

re: #52 FurryOldGuyJeans

O: INVADE!

O: Damn terrorists, I'm just trying to eat my waffle!

57 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:04am

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank you President Bush and those at your command.

That deserves an upding.

58 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:05am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

WHAT?!?! Oh SHIT!

59 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:10am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

How are they going about finding that out?

60 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:13am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Interesting. Prelude to something else?

61 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:17am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Brits too? Interesting...

62 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:36am

re: #35 Silhouette

Hostages may be held. This isn't over. This is ongoing.

Prayers right now.

mine are there.

63 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:50am

live feed: [Link: broadband.indiatimes.com...]

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:39:56am

I know it is wrong, but I have hoped that Muslims would attack the Chi-coms.

But, you may have noticed, PETA activists don't picket biker bars either.

65 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:04am

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

66 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:05am

re: #55 Charles

That confirms it then: Presbyterians again!

67 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:10am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

If the target of their ire is the US/UK, but they attacked in India, it speaks well of how we are limiting access to them at home.

68 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:19am

re: #48 Right mind left

looks like it, hey, LGF isn't an easy environment, one needs to work up some courage in order to post here. So come back Conservative, they won't eat you, at least not with the shells still on.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:22am

re: #55 Charles

Shit.

70 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:23am

re: #59 midwestgak

How are they going about finding that out?

Sticking a gun in someones face and saying "let me see your passport"

71 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:32am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

Where? Here?

72 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:32am
73 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:40:56am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Any estimates on how many are there - both civilian/hostage and terrorist numbers? What is the best source for good info at this point?

74 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:09am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

Where, there, or in the US/Canada?

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:17am

I would not test the current POTUS. Just wouldn't do it.

76 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:28am

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

77 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:39am

In Mumbai.

78 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:41:46am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

It's the only reason they ever target hotels.

Example:

Jordan's 9/11 wasn't an attack on Jordan, but an attack on Westerners in a hotel.

And that question used to be reserved for Israelis/Jews on hijacked planes in the 70s.

To bad the "international community" did nothing then.

And they'll do nothing now.

79 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:00am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...


I didn't know they had Ramada Inns in India. They are obviously looking for Americans then.

80 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:21am

re: #55 Charles

This is truly disheartening, but welcome to being Jewish America/U.K.

81 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:36am

re: #77 Charles

In Mumbai.

Once again a testament to the prowess of how well our security and intelligence networks have been doing under President Bush.

I just feel bad for those other folks.

82 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:41am

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Bad news all the way around.

And an British MEP is barricaded in one of the buildings taken by the terrorists.

Sajjad Karim, a Conservative MEP for the North West of England who is in Mumbai, saw a gunman opening fire in the lobby of Taj Mahal Palace Hotel.

Speaking by mobile phone from a barricaded basement room, the MEP said he and others had fled from machine-gun fire and had no idea why the hotel was targeted.

MEP Sajjad Karim fled after seeing a gunman open fire

He said: 'I was in the lobby of the hotel when gunmen came in and people started running. There were about 25 or 30 of us.

'Some of us split one way and some another. A gunman just stood there spraying bullets around, right next to me. I managed to turn away and I ran into the hotel kitchen and then we were shunted into a restaurant in the basement.

'We are now in the dark in this room and we've barricaded all the doors. It's really bad.'

Mr Karim is part of a delegation of Euro-MPs visiting Mumbai ahead of the forthcoming EU-India summit.

83 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:49am

re: #71 FurryOldGuyJeans

Where? Here?

Yes.

If you're in India.

84 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:42:57am

re: #78 Ben Hur

To bad the "international community" did nothing then.

And they'll do nothing now

Yes they will. They'll blame American and Zionist agression in the area as the root cause !

85 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:00am

re: #50 Hengineer

They're just freedom fighters fighting freedom....

I'm still at a loss at how anyone with an IQ over 70 wants so desperately to live (die for) a life of desperation, sadness, pain, anger, and just plain meanness. In 1400 years they have not yet figured out that there is a better way to live their lives.

86 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:06am

re: #55 Charles

time to get a Marine Corps Unit ready

87 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:12am

re: #76 Charles

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

No difference, they are hunting for American heads.

88 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:33am

This is shaping up to be more than just a "simple" terror attack now with multiple incidents and hostage taking. This is not good.

89 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:36am

Reports of firing at J J School of Arts and at Metro Cinema in Mumbai have come in. Details are awaited. A fourth blast shood Oberoi Hotel, where three terrorists are reported to have holed up. 25 dead bodies have been brought to St George hospital in Mumbai. A bomb was defused in Hotel Taj, where terrorists have been holed up.

90 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:41am

From the Times of India article:

Bhisham Mansukhani, a journalist, was attending a wedding reception at the Taj's Crystal Room. "I was inside the bar when glass shards almost hit my eye," he said. "More than 200 people were escorted inside Chambers, a business centre inside the hotel," he added.

I'm not sure I understand this -- does that mean the 200 people are being held hostage?

What a horrible story.

91 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:45am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

Which Ramada Inn - India, US, ......

92 gander  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:50am

Where does it end?

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:43:54am

re: #86 2by2

Mess. Them. Up.

94 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:44:41am

re: #84 sattv4u2

To bad the "international community" did nothing then.

And they'll do nothing now

Yes they will. They'll blame American and Zionist agression in the area as the root cause !

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

95 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:44:48am

Terrorists are reported to have hijacked a police gypsy during their attack in Mumbai tonight. Police were in hot chase of the gypsy. The terrorists are reported to be heavily armed with explosives and the gypsy has gone near J J school of arts.

what the hell is a police gypsy?

96 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:44:59am

re: #82 lawhawk


Mr Karim is part of a delegation of Euro-MPs visiting Mumbai ahead of the forthcoming EU-India summit.

That's why they attacked.

97 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:08am

re: #51 Honorary Yooper

Welcome. Be sure to always review the rules at the top when making a a comment.

Yes...Yooper..
Generally..Charles likes it when you come to his blog and tell him what to post..
You can have any opinion you want..but Charles really likes it if you start a thread flame and call everybody here assholes or worse..
Attack somebody for the hell of it..we encourage that.
The more Mandy Wacks the better we always say.
//////////

98 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:14am

re: #82 lawhawk


That's one lucky dude there, thought quickly under pressure.

99 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:19am

re: #94 Hengineer

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

/SARC (forgot, sorry)

100 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:27am

Luckily this will immediately stop occurring once Obama is POTUS.
/

101 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:29am

Of course Pakistan will condemn the terrorist targetting of civilians ON BOTH SIDES, in 3...2...1....

102 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:45:38am

re: #95 greenmiler

police van.

103 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:01am

re: #95 greenmiler

Terrorists are reported to have hijacked a police gypsy during their attack in Mumbai tonight. Police were in hot chase of the gypsy. The terrorists are reported to be heavily armed with explosives and the gypsy has gone near J J school of arts.

what the hell is a police gypsy?

under covers with earrings?

104 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:12am

The BBC is already protecting/advancing the cause of the terrorists by claiming that, while "Muslim extremists" are suspected, so maybe are some Hindu extremists.

Twisting themselves into pretzels in the name of 'fairness'.

105 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:16am

slightly ot
I dated a man from India. His parents owned a hotel chain in So India (5 or 6 small hotels.) As Christians, they were very familiar with the rop. Every time I read one of these things I wonder if he is okay.

106 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:21am

re: #94 Hengineer

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

That may have been funny if there weren't at this moment American tourists literally staring down a barrel of a gun as we speak

107 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:37am

re: #65 Charles

New reports of shooting at a Ramada Inn...

just seeing this on CNN..tragic..
Sorry i was lighthearted on the previous post.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:45am

re: #87 turn

No difference, they are hunting for American heads.

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

109 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:51am

re: #94 Hengineer

I've been to Zion National park in Utah, its confused me why Jews would fight their asses off when its just right there in the American Southwest.

Land Of Zion - West

110 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:56am

re: #99 Hengineer

Don't say that too loudly, once the Arabs get wind of it, they are going to start making claims that it is actually theirs and the U.S. & Jews are occupying it.

111 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:58am

ty

112 TMF  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:46:59am

Clearly an attempt to distract from Sarah Palins horrific apathy to the slaughter of turkeys the other day, as well as her pricey wardrobe.

113 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:00am

re: #95 greenmiler

what the hell is a police gypsy?

a jeep:
[Link: farm3.static.flickr.com...]

114 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:03am

re: #86 2by2

The Indians have some first rate special forces commandos. They have been dealing with this kind for shit for quite a while now.

115 greenmiler  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:37am

According to police estimates, narly 50 terrorists were engaged in tonight's terror strikes in at least 10 places throughout Mumbai. The terrorists include 6 to 7 women. Two terrorists have been arrested by police, reports said. A red alert has been sounded throughout Maharashtra, Gujarat and the national capital Delhi.

116 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:53am

re: #104 Daisy

The BBC is already protecting/advancing the cause of the terrorists by claiming that, while "Muslim extremists" are suspected, so maybe are some Hindu extremists.

Twisting themselves into pretzels in the name of 'fairness'.

That's an improvment.

If it had happened in Israel/US they would've said:

Israel/US SAY or CLAIM it was the work of Muslim militants (even if the actual quote was 'terrorists') but this has yet to be confirmed by the BBC.

117 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:54am

re: #100 WrathofG-d

Luckily this will immediately stop occurring once Obama is POTUS.
/

If not sooner, since after all, he's President Elect.

118 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:47:56am

Via CNN, IBN reports that gunfights are still ongoing between the terrorists and Indian authorities.

119 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

what response?
Definately not:
From the Halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli
We will fight our contries battles
on the land and on the sea

Or

Penacaren alive or the razuli dead.

120 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:34am

ROPMA=Necromongers

121 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:43am

re: #110 WrathofG-d

Don't say that too loudly, once the Arabs get wind of it, they are going to start making claims that it is actually theirs and the U.S. & Jews are occupying it.

Like AL-ASKA.

122 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:46am

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror attacks are still ongoing.

123 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:55am

re: #117 Daisy

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

124 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:48:56am

The train bombings that killed 200 people and injured 700! last summer in Mumbai were carried out by the Students Islamic Movement of India. SIMI They seem to favor multiple consecutive attacks for maximum terror.

125 Last Mohican  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:17am

re: #96 Kenneth

That's why they attacked.

Maybe, but then why not wait until the summit had actually started?

I suppose it doesn't pay to spend too much time wondering why they attacked now anyway. They pretend they have reasons, but there really is no reason, other than that they're Islamists and this is what Islamists do.

126 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:26am

re: #121 Ben Hur

Like AL-ASKA.

yes and CALIPHornia.

127 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:27am

re: #116 Ben Hur

That's an improvment.

If it had happened in Israel/US they would've said:

Israel/US SAY or CLAIM it was the work of Muslim militants (even if the actual quote was 'terrorists') but this has yet to be confirmed by the BBC.

You know what? That may be what the BBC did say. Sorry not to supply a link (gotta run) - but the BBC version is over at Drudge.

128 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:47am

re: #124 snowcrash

The train bombings that killed 200 people and injured 700! last summer in Mumbai were carried out by the Students Islamic Movement of India. SIMI They seem to favor multiple consecutive attacks for maximum terror.

It may be SIMI, but the support comes from Pakistan.

129 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:53am

re: #124 snowcrash

Oh, so they were only youths.

///

130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:49:55am

re: #119 Eowyn2

I expect a Carteresque or Clintonian response, weak and worse than no response.

131 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:04am

re: #104 Daisy

The BBC is already protecting/advancing the cause of the terrorists by claiming that, while "Muslim extremists" are suspected, so maybe are some Hindu extremists.

Twisting themselves into pretzels in the name of 'fairness'.

Are there still Hindu's worshipping Kali?

132 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:04am

re: #114 Kenneth

The Indians have some first rate special forces commandos. They have been dealing with this kind for shit for quite a while now.

Hope they're using them fast and efficiently, this doesn't sound good and the longer it goes on the more difficult it will be to gain control over it.

133 UberInfidel67  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:05am

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

134 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:17am

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

Both arrogant and, God help us, "or what?"

135 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:21am

re: #126 WrathofG-d

yes and CALIPHornia.

Best.Ever.

136 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:42am

re: #117 Daisy

If not sooner, since after all, he's President Elect.

Not until the delegate to the Electoral College are seated and actually cast their ballots He ain't.

137 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:43am

re: #106 sattv4u2

That may have been funny if there weren't at this moment American tourists literally staring down a barrel of a gun as we speak

I'm aware of that, but there is always someone staring down the barrel of a gun from Muslim Extremists who blame everything on Americans, Westerners and Zionists.

I just found it weird that that national park was named "Zion"

138 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:46am

re: #3 midwestgak

And so it begins continues

sorry, that needed correction.

139 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:52am

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

Or ON 1/20/09 and after?

140 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:50:54am

re: #128 Ben Hur

It should be pointed out and repeated that the ATTACKS WERE CARRIED OUT by the STUDENTS Islamic Movement of India.

We should be double checking our own backyard "Student" organizations.

141 Land Shark  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:00am

My thoughts and prayers are with the peopleof Mumbai. God help them all.

142 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:03am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

That's what I was just thinking...wondering...I fear this is just the warm-up act, as frightening as it is and as tragic as it is. Hope the authorities can intercede before anything worse develops, but it looks serious already.

Biden suggested the crisis would be orchestrated. Generated. Systematic... and this is still Bush's watch, so ...

143 EuskalHerria  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:24am

Kaixo!

The followers of the "Religion of Peace" at work again!? Militant Islam is waging war against the Kuffar of all nations, not just Europe and the U.S. We are all Dar Al Harb, in the sights of Dar Al Islam. But we are not allowed to criticize the ROP or any of its tenets and beliefs, for fear of being called racists, bigots, and Islamophobes. Oh, well, the attacks happened in a foreign land on the other side of the globe. Besides, the only thing we really have to worry about is our struggling economy and jobs, while the Islamic terrorists are only a tiny portion of the 1.2 billion, mainly "peaceful and tolerant?" Muslim folks. Wake up, America! I fear it's too late for most of Europe-

Agur!

144 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:31am

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

Our Messiah-King can't be arrogant, that's for mere mortals.

145 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:49am

re: #133 UberInfidel67

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

And that's why we call them terrorists. I'm sorry - and hope you get reassuring news soon.

146 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:50am

re: #130 FurryOldGuyJeans

I expect a Carteresque or Clintonian response, weak and worse than no response.

somebody warn the aspirin factories

147 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:51:50am

re: #133 UberInfidel67

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

Ouch, My thoughts and prayers....

149 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:30am

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are hunting Westerners, American and Brit.

Looks like we won't have to wait for 6 months for Biden's prophesied international incident to test the soon-to-be anointed and crowned Messiah-King. Nor do I discount the other part of the prophesy that the response will appear to be the wrong thing.

Obama will probably say he will attack India! These are troubling times and America is looking more and more like the last bastion of hope (oh shit I used that word)

150 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:33am

re: #136 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not until the delegate to the Electoral College are seated and actually cast their ballots He ain't.

President Elect Apparent.

Sure is a lot of qualifiers.

151 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:39am

re: #140 WrathofG-d

It should be pointed out and repeated that the ATTACKS WERE CARRIED OUT by the STUDENTS Islamic Movement of India.

We should be double checking our own backyard "Student" organizations.

I can only hope and pray that our government has already been double checking and keeping at least generally aware of these groups, on an ongoing basis.

152 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:52:47am

re: #121 Ben Hur

Like AL-ASKA.

or Al Abama.

153 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:53:00am

re: #117 Daisy

If not sooner, since after all, he's President Elect.

Not until the 10th of December.

155 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:53:24am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Of course Pakistan will condemn the terrorist targetting of civilians ON BOTH SIDES, in 3...2...1....

Bloody Pakis. ISI has their hands up these jihadis a**es I'll bet.

Indian Army should take the gloves off.
Unleash the Sikh and Gurkha regiments on the ROP'ers.

157 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:06am

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are you allowed to speak poorly of the PEOTUS?

158 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:09am

re: #136 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not until the delegates to the Electoral College are seated and actually cast their ballots He ain't.

PIMF! *sigh*

159 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:10am

I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for several years. My brothers and I went to school at the Lahore American Christian School. It has since been renamed as the Lahore American School. I wonder if it is a safe school now? I hardly think Pakistan is safe for any Americans anymore, and India's proximity to Pakistan makes it a dangerous place now too.

160 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:13am

re: #152 Honorary Yooper

or Al Abama.

Ar-Zion-A

(yea I'm just reaching)

161 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:28am

re: #156 debutaunt

Jeez - he's already ignoring the Constitution.

The Constitution is for peasants.
/ /

162 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:31am

But give the 'Palestinians' a state reichlet and all the terror will stop.

163 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:31am

This story is like 9/11-you reel from one horror and then another one gets reported on top of it. I'm having a serious flashback to that day, standing in front of the TV thinking, "When is it going to stop?"

164 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:32am

re: #146 Eowyn2

somebody warn the aspirin factories

And the baby food ones as well.

165 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:54:44am

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

166 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:00am

re: #159 father_of_10

I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for several years. My brothers and I went to school at the Lahore American Christian School. It has since been renamed as the Lahore American School. I wonder if it is a safe school now? I hardly think Pakistan is safe for any Americans anymore, and India's proximity to Pakistan makes it a dangerous place now too.

I'd be wondering if it still there, considering the state of Pakistan.

167 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:21am

re: #135 hermit

Best.Ever.

How about g-Al-lup, New Mexico?

168 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:22am
There are unconfirmed reports of at least 14 Westerners being held hostage by the gunmen, NVTV is reporting.

...
Several European lawmakers were among those inside the hotel.

169 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:29am

re: #156 debutaunt

Jeez - he's already ignoring the Constitution.

The Constitution is not Holy Writ for one such as our Messiah-King.

170 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:30am

re: #163 livefreeor die

This story is like 9/11-you reel from one horror and then another one gets reported on top of it. I'm having a serious flashback to that day, standing in front of the TV thinking, "When is it going to stop?"

When we're all dead or converted.

171 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #122 FurryOldGuyJeans

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.

172 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:44am

re: #153 bosforus

Not until the 10th of December.

That would be for the rest of us. But not Obama or his media.

173 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:51am

re: #137 Hengineer

I'm aware of that, but there is always someone staring down the barrel of a gun from Muslim Extremists who blame everything on Americans, Westerners and Zionists.

I just found it weird that that national park was named "Zion"

Yep, due to the Mormon influence in the area. There's also a Zion in Illinois as well.

174 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:55:56am

re: #152 Honorary Yooper

Hey, they probably already claim Palestine, Texas

and besides we should be happy that it is still OURkansas.

175 right Brain  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:18am

re: #170 Hengineer

Yes when we're all dead or converted.

176 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:22am

re: #165 Eowyn2

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

Perhaps but given the degree of coordination of the attacks it likely was planned before that happened. The jihadis have been targeting India for years now...remember the attack on the Indian Parliament right after 9-11?

177 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #157 WrathofG-d

Are you allowed to speak poorly of the PEOTUS?

PEAoTUS, apparently...

178 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #172 Daisy

That would be for the rest of us. But not Obama or his media.

I didn't even know about that "technicality" until today.

179 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #149 turn

Obama will probably say he will attack India! These are troubling times and America is looking more and more like the last bastion of hope (oh shit I used that word)


This is what the test is all about. ROP attacking foreign countries who call on the US for assistance. It is the call for assistance that will test the new administration. I do not think he will come to anyone's aid, this is the platform he was elected on. No more wars in foreign countries. The ROP are going to test this to the extreme.

180 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #129 Lively

Oh, so they were only youths.

...from tables on the International Database (IDB) I noticed that the population of the predominantly Muslim countries has increased dramatically.
World pop over '97 to '07 up 13%
Pop in Muslim countries for same period up 21%
Another interesting note is that the average age in those countries hovers around 18-24.

181 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:56:47am
At least 80 people were dead and 250 injured


Shit. this is no small attack.

Any word on if the terrorists were killed too?

182 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:02am

re: #149 turn

Or the Ö will tell us that it takes a village to break a few eggs and make an omelette. Or something even more universal and meaningless.

183 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:04am

re: #126 WrathofG-d

yes and CALIPHornia.


Nice one!

184 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:14am

re: #173 Honorary Yooper

Yep, due to the Mormon influence in the area. There's also a Zion in Illinois as well.

The national parks in the area are beautiful though. My parents are avid national park fans, and dragged my sisters and I to all those southwest ones as kids: Grand Canyon, Zion, Bryce Canyon, Cedar Breaks, Sequioa and Kings Canyon....

185 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #133 UberInfidel67

As I sit here wondering exactly WHERE my cousin is in India : (

My prayers

Mumbai (Bombay) is on the east coast about mid continent.
Please keep us updated if possible.

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:17am

re: #157 WrathofG-d

Are you allowed to speak poorly of the PEOTUS?

At least I can until 20 January 2009. After it will be blasphemy.

187 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:28am

re: #166 Hengineer

I'd be wondering if it still there, considering the state of Pakistan.

They're still in business. The elite of Lahore go to school there now. Of course it used to be for the children of diplomats and the like.

188 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:29am

re: #179 A Kiwi Infidel

This is what the test is all about. ROP attacking foreign countries who call on the US for assistance. It is the call for assistance that will test the new administration. I do not think he will come to anyone's aid, this is the platform he was elected on. No more wars in foreign countries. The ROP are going to test this to the extreme.

And Biden's prediction comes true?

189 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:30am

re: #161 scottishbuzzsaw

The Constitution is for peasants.
/ /

peons?

190 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:49am

re: #162 Carl in Jerusalem

Alo Achy! Great to see you around here.

191 Crusty  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:52am

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

192 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:55am

re: #165 Eowyn2

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

but they paid them off.
Surely, paying terrorists gets you in their good graces
/

193 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:57:58am

re: #163 livefreeor die

This story is like 9/11-you reel from one horror and then another one gets reported on top of it. I'm having a serious flashback to that day, standing in front of the TV thinking, "When is it going to stop?"


Answer: When Islam is erased.

194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:03am

This might be stupid, the whole pirate thing? India attacked some pirates last week. Muslims right. Could that be their excuse de jour?

195 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:20am

re: #149 turn

Obama will probably say he will attack India! These are troubling times and America is looking more and more like the last bastion of hope (oh shit I used that word)

I hate when I say "bastion," too.

196 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:24am

re: #170 Hengineer

When we're all dead or converted.

Sorry, there's a choice missing-when they pry my "home security system" out of my cold, dead hands.

197 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:26am

re: #165 Eowyn2

Could this be connected to the Indian response to pirates?

That would be impossible because this Reuters headline says,

Islamists on trail of Somali pirates

See?

198 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:32am

re: #138 A Kiwi Infidel

sorry, that needed correction.

Good catch, AKI

199 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:54am

re: #155 Colonel Panik


Unleash the Sikh and Gurkha regiments on the ROP'ers.

THat I would like to see.

Quite the warriors.

I bet the Sikhs can still do it on elephants.

200 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:58:54am

re: #171 turn

fixed by Times UK.

FUCK 'EM. I don't read the rag, even online, nor need correction by the bastages.

I ain't getting mad at you, turn. :)

201 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:04am

re: #159 father_of_10

I lived in Lahore, Pakistan for several years. My brothers and I went to school at the Lahore American Christian School. It has since been renamed as the Lahore American School. I wonder if it is a safe school now? I hardly think Pakistan is safe for any Americans anymore, and India's proximity to Pakistan makes it a dangerous place now too.

Border fighting has been quite ferocious for years.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:10am

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, didn't notice it was already brought up.

203 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:46am

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This might be stupid, the whole pirate thing? India attacked some pirates last week. Muslims right. Could that be their excuse de jour?

Do these bastards even need an excuse anymore? I wonder if President-elect Obama still thinks we can talk to these animals?

204 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:50am

A link to relevant videos, including an eyewitness account: [Link: broadband.indiatimes.com...]

205 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:50am

re: #196 livefreeor die

Sorry, there's a choice missing-when they pry my "home security system" out of my cold, dead hands.

Heh, well I was just referring to radical Muslim Extremists. For some reason I doubt we'd ever kill them all, because I think in many cases its jealousy and a grab for power as to why many of the younger generations are recruited into their folds, so they'll always be fighting us until we're either dead or converted.

Then they'll start fighting each other.

206 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 11:59:53am

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

Ignore the email and go on with your day. When you see this Obama supporter tell her you watched football.

207 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:04pm

re: #181 FrogMarch

Shit. this is no small attack.

Any word on if the terrorists were killed too?

It is still ongoing!

208 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:17pm

re: #178 bosforus

I didn't even know about that "technicality" until today.

Me either. Then again, I don't recall any other "Almost Presidents" strutting around for months referring to themselves as "President Elect" - so it was never an issue.

209 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:22pm

re: #171 turn

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:33pm

re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This might be stupid, the whole pirate thing? India attacked some pirates last week. Muslims right. Could that be their excuse de jour?

Like Jihadis need an excuse to riot or attack non-Muslim targets?

211 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:36pm

The terrorist attack would've been short-lived if the "people" had been armed. Obviously the terrorists have no small problems in getting guns. Heaven forbid the citizenry have the capabilities to self-protect.

212 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:40pm

Did anyone see the story on CNN a minute ago?
A man finally released from 19 years of prison after DNA evidence cleared him from a rape/murder case.
Sometimes we get really good news...His mother crying on TV..beautiful story..

213 Lively  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:42pm

Got to go lizards!

214 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:43pm

IBN live [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

215 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:00:50pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

And Biden's prediction comes true?

Yes, thats a worry, not so much a prediction as stating the obvious.

216 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:16pm

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

That one works for me. Or the collected Youtube sermons of Reverend "G_d d_mn" America Wright. Let "the chickens...come home...to roost" on Turkey Day.

217 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:29pm

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

Ignore the email and go on with your day. When you see this Obama supporter tell her you watched football.

Yes, tell her you'd rather watch the Detroit Lions play. Unless she doesn't know football, she should get the point.

218 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #156 debutaunt

Jeez - he's already ignoringinterpreting/bending/perverting the Constitution.

219 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:35pm

re: #179 A Kiwi Infidel

This is what the test is all about. ROP attacking foreign countries who call on the US for assistance. It is the call for assistance that will test the new administration. I do not think he will come to anyone's aid, this is the platform he was elected on. No more wars in foreign countries. The ROP are going to test this to the extreme.

Scary thought, then Biden's test is starting before O is even sworn in. If so we're f$%$#@'d

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:01:42pm

re: #203 Wyatt Earp

Do these bastards even need an excuse anymore? I wonder if President-elect Obama still thinks we can talk to these animals?

I would bet good money He is even more eager to bring His Revealed Word to the unbelieving masses, oh PBUH Our Messiah-King.

221 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:01pm

re: #206 unrealizedviewpoint

Ignore the email and go on with your day. When you see this Obama supporter tell her you watched football.

How about the simple "I actually spent time with my family instead of watching TV"

222 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:14pm

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

How not to get salmonella poisoning - or anything resembling it - on Thanksgiving?

223 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:15pm

. These attacks could lead to a war between India and Pakistan.

Mr. Obama had better have his game face on.

Prayers for the dead and wounded and for those held hostage.

224 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:33pm
225 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:38pm

re: #212 HoosierHoops

Did anyone see the story on CNN a minute ago?
A man finally released from 19 years of prison after DNA evidence cleared him from a rape/murder case.
Sometimes we get really good news...His mother crying on TV..beautiful story..

That never should have been...

226 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:39pm

re: #209 Shug

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

So people are being killed and injured by purported bullets? Can't FOX even report the news anymore?

227 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:44pm

re: #223 Tumulus11

. These attacks could lead to a war between India and Pakistan.

Mr. Obama had better have his game face on.

Prayers for the dead and wounded and for those held hostage.

"O" has a game face?

228 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:02:49pm

re: #195 DeafDog

I hate when I say "bastion," too.


You left off the sarc tag, I was talking about O's "hope"

229 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:11pm

re: #209 Shug

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

DOUBLE-FUCK Reuters.

Ain't getting mad at you, Shug. ;)

230 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:14pm

re: #192 Shug

but they paid them off.
Surely, paying terrorists gets you in their good graces
/

Wasn't it India's navy that went gung ho on one of the pirates. Did I dream that?

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:20pm

re: #203 Wyatt Earp

Wyatt? I'm guessing that the closer the 20th of January gets, the less inclined our President-Elect is to believe that they can be reasoned with.

232 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:23pm

India is in my prayers. See you all later.

233 Dave the.....  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:32pm

Is it real, or is it the Onion. A headline on the net right now:

"Raul Castro tells Sean Penn he will meet Obama in Gitmo"

234 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:36pm

Well, Lizards, I am off. I wish all of you and yours a wonderful Thanksgiving. I likely will not see you again until next week, so take care.

*walks off with electronic thumb in the air...

235 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:36pm

Flare ups always happen during transitions.

236 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:03:58pm

re: #214 sadhu
Very nice link.

237 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:15pm

Obama had better understand that these terrorists are not fooling around. This is the real deal now and he had better be able to handle it.


In a market update, the DOW is up 181 at the moment. This is due to several factors:

1. The drop in the yield in the 10 years bond (basically a proxy for mortgage rates) is seen as a big positive. Mortgage money was trading in the 5.8% range this morning. Refinancing is starting to take place, so the take is the banking system may finally be thawing out a bit.

2. The general take on Wall Street is that the market is way oversold and there should be a 10% to 20% rally in the next few days to 2 weeks. The Thinking is we finally have our hands around the mortgage backed security issue.

But we are not out to the woods yet. The thinking is is also we will see another drop back down in January due to the ongoing ripple effects of the economic slowdown. Right now they think the bottom is about 7300 on the DOW.

238 AceR  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:17pm

re: #14 ProudConserative

Welcome!

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:19pm

Time for work. See y'all later.

240 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:19pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

And Biden's prediction comes true?

You mean OB will make the wrong decision and we won't agree with he? arg

241 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:28pm

re: #219 turn

Scary thought, then Biden's test is starting before O is even sworn in. If so we're f$%$#@'d


Yes, I can see the ROP testing the waters in, say, India, Turkey, Phillipines, Malaysia, perhaps some South East Asian countries, countries that have strategic significance. If there is no reaction then their sights turn to Israel. That is a very worrying thought.

242 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:32pm

re: #234 Ford_Prefect

Well, Lizards, I am off. I wish all of you and yours a wonderful Thanksgiving. I likely will not see you again until next week, so take care.

*walks off with electronic thumb in the air...

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, Ford...

243 Harry Tuttle  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:33pm

You know they haven't really pissed us off yet, the islamofascists.

I work closely with many Indian people and have for years as I am sure do many of you. I can tell you they are good people and a true friend to the west.

This is pissing me off.

244 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:34pm

re: #235 Ben Hur

Flare ups always happen during transitions.

Do you mean the transition from a Democratic Republic to a Obamocracy?

245 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:04:41pm

re: #196 livefreeor die

Sorry, there's a choice missing-when they pry my "home security system" out of my cold, dead hands.

I need to get my security system upgraded.

246 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:08pm
227 father_of_10

"O" has a game face?

. Hope!

247 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:14pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The terrorist attack would've been short-lived if the "people" had been armed. Obviously the terrorists have no small problems in getting guns. Heaven forbid the citizenry have the capabilities to self-protect.

India has stringent gun laws, kind of like Britain, but in some places, notable Kashmir, they have been arming civilians to resist jihadi attacks. Snapped Shot had a photo essay last year of members of a Sikh regiment of the Indian army training a bunch of Hindu women in a Kashmiri village how to shoot Lee-Enfield's, AK-47's and the new INSAS assault rifle.

248 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:20pm
249 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:21pm

re: #188 reine.de.tout

And Biden's prediction comes true?

I think they are going to hit us.

This is just a commercial to show Obama what is coming.

250 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:35pm

re: #233 Dave the.....

Is it real, or is it the Onion. A headline on the net right now:

"Raul Castro tells Sean Penn he will meet Obama in Gitmo"

Where's Fidel?
And who is Sean Penn?

251 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:41pm

There's a slightly more detailed account of the interest in Americans and Brits here. It's a sort of catalogue of the various attacks and maneuvers, and shows the breadth of the planning.

252 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:42pm

Has the left gotten the talking points out on how this really India's fault for one reason or another?

Or will they stay silent because they can't figure out a way to make it about hating the US.

All of their support for Pali terror and Al-quida Iraq terror has less to do, or actually has NOTHING to do, with their love of Palis or Iraqis, but there hatred of the US.

How will they spin this?

253 Brees  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:54pm

What's wrong with this article?

The reporter uses words like, terrorist & terror strike.

Shouldn't it be something like, alleged insurgent & protest march?

254 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:05:57pm

re: #240 midwestgak

You mean OB will make the wrong decision and we won't agree with he? arg

So far Our Messiah-King is on-track for fulfilling that part multiple times over, and then some.

255 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:01pm

re: #245 Eowyn2

I need to get my security system upgraded.

Home security systems have been harder to get lately-there's been a run on them since right before the elections. The hubby waited on line for hours the Sunday before the election.

256 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:07pm

re: #200 FurryOldGuyJeans

FUCK 'EM. I don't read the rag, even online, nor need correction by the bastages.

I ain't getting mad at you, turn. :)


I know, I was just off at Drudge reading his Times UK link. The first words of the article was "Gunmen stalked a hotel ..." I would have started "Terroists attacked ..." The UK better get ready for another "stalking" there, they are in serious Muslim trouble.

257 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:25pm

re: #243 Harry Tuttle

You know they haven't really pissed us off yet, the islamofascists.

I work closely with many Indian people and have for years as I am sure do many of you. I can tell you they are good people and a true friend to the west.

This is pissing me off.

I agree 100%. Which is why I have a difficult time being angry about technical support from Agra or New Delhi. I know I most likely have a capitalist helping me.

258 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:30pm

Large young male population in a polygamous culture in which the wealthiest and most powerful men monopolize all the women... Doesn't bode well for lasting peace.

re: #180 hermit

...from tables on the International Database (IDB) I noticed that the population of the predominantly Muslim countries has increased dramatically.
World pop over '97 to '07 up 13%
Pop in Muslim countries for same period up 21%
Another interesting note is that the average age in those countries hovers around 18-24.

259 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:38pm

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

Dane-Geld
--Rudyard Kipling

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --

"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"

Yep, Europe kept paying Dane-Geld to the Barbary Pirates until the US finally said "enough" and actually fought and beat them!

260 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:40pm

re: #249 3 wood

I think they are going to hit us.

This is just a commercial to show Obama what is coming.

Wish we could change the channel.

261 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:47pm

re: #76 Charles

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

Marriot's seem to get a lot of "attention" from terrorists. Is that simply because there are a lot of them?

262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:50pm

re: #191 Crusty

A little OT and I apologize for that, but a former co-worker, an Obama supporter, just sent me a link about Barbara Walters interviewing the Obamas on TV tomorrow as "something good to watch on Thanksgiving".

What would be a good turn-around link to send to her? I was thinking about a link to Zombie's "Prairie Fire" article which has links to assorted proof of Obomba's association with Ayers. Any other suggestions?

I'd rather watch the Lions play. No, really!

263 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:06:52pm

re: #228 turn

You left off the sarc tag, I was talking about O's "hope"

I deserve that for forgettting the tag.

Moving on. There has been a new strain of Hindu terrorists in India (I kid you not). These terroriss include ex army officers and priests. It's a very sad situation....

Home Grown Indian Hindu Terrorists

264 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:04pm

re: #204 MrPaulRevere

Thanks for posting that.

265 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:20pm

re: #241 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, I can see the ROP testing the waters in, say, India, Turkey, Phillipines, Malaysia, perhaps some South East Asian countries, countries that have strategic significance. If there is no reaction then their sights turn to Israel. That is a very worrying thought.

Thailand is going to become very restive.

266 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:23pm

re: #209 Shug

According to FNC just now (11:46am PST) the terror purported gunman attacks are still ongoing.

fixed by Times UK.
double fixed by Reuters

This MSM PC shit is getting almost comical.

267 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:32pm

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

268 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:07:35pm

re: #257 father_of_10

I agree 100%. Which is why I have a difficult time being angry about technical support from Agra or New Delhi. I know I most likely have a capitalist helping me.

You mean someone who actually works to make the customer happy?

269 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:06pm

Am I the only one who thinks the whole world has lost it's mind?

270 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:08pm

re: #261 bosforus

No, its because the are the only people who wouldn't dare go into a Hilton.

271 rusty_armor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:17pm

Ho hum.

More of Allahs little extractors of vengance . . .

. . . I am just curious as to why Allah doesn't do his own killin'.

272 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:23pm

re: #261 bosforus

Marriot's seem to get a lot of "attention" from terrorists. Is that simply because there are a lot of them?

I a word,, yes

By explanation, they carved out a niche years ago to cater to American businessmen traveling that wanted a place to stay they knew!

273 Colonel Panik  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:43pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Has the left gotten the talking points out on how this really India's fault for one reason or another?

Those meanie Hindus and Sikhs were mistreating poor little Islamic Rage Boy!

/msm off

274 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:08:46pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

Umm, I think history shows that the Muslims can't get along with anyone . . . not even each other.

But yes, the partition of 1948 was just that.

275 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:01pm

re: #252 Ben Hur

Has the left gotten the talking points out on how this really India's fault for one reason or another?

Or will they stay silent because they can't figure out a way to make it about hating the US.

All of their support for Pali terror and Al-quida Iraq terror has less to do, or actually has NOTHING to do, with their love of Palis or Iraqis, but there hatred of the US.

They will not spin it.
They will say "this is between India and her peoples, internal, and until you can prove otherwise, we must stay out of it. We wouldnt have wanted India interfering at Columbine"

How will they spin this?

276 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:09pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The terrorist attack would've been short-lived if the "people" had been armed. Obviously the terrorists have no small problems in getting guns. Heaven forbid the citizenry have the capabilities to self-protect.

You talking about the UK or India father?
semi /

277 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:18pm

re: #270 WrathofG-d

No, its because the are the only people who wouldn't dare go into a Hilton.

Not going to make Paris Hilton joke. Too easy.

278 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:27pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

yep

279 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:29pm

re: #271 rusty_armor

Ho hum.

More of Allahs little extractors of vengance . . .

. . . I am just curious as to why Allah doesn't do his own killin'.


He doesn't seem to really help them out that much. Think of how many people got out of the Twin Towers before they collapsed.

280 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:09:40pm

I proposed to my fiancee at the Marriot in Hyderabad just 50 days ago. Security was unlike anything I had ever seen in India or anywhere else. Mirrors under the car, searched the trunk, dogs, etc.

They knew this was coming.

281 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:21pm
282 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:23pm

Does Zero plan on talking to the subhumans who consider him an apostate? I bet he craps in his pants what's ever left in his bowels when he gets the daily intelligence briefing.

I hope he surprises us. He fucking better.

283 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:38pm

re: #280 astronmr20

I proposed to my fiancee at the Marriot in Hyderabad just 50 days ago. Security was unlike anything I had ever seen in India or anywhere else. Mirrors under the car, searched the trunk, dogs, etc.

They knew this was coming.


all these precautions, and they can't stop it.

Makes me a little uneasy considering there is virtually no security anywhere in the USA and Britain

284 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:46pm

reine

Due to the seriousness of this thread, I will only say I got your email. : )

285 anti-looter  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:10:54pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Imagine the Chinese if the ROPers tried anything like this there.

The Chinese tend to take a pragmatic non-PC approach to things, there is much to be admired with that approach.

286 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:01pm

re: #251 Cognito


Well well well.

Good to see you back.

287 LaForzadelDestino  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:06pm

"Attackers"? "Gunmen"?

The Fox News anchor just now (sorry I didn't catch his name) is using the word "terrorists" in every sentence.

Good for him!

288 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:14pm

re: #185 Eowyn2

Mumbai is on the west coast of India about halfway down.

289 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:11:29pm

A senior police commissioner was killed during one the shoot-outs. Terrorists struck at 9 places, including hotels, train station, cinema, shopping districts, police stations

290 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:13pm

re: #260 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wish we could change the channel.

We have a 4 year long show coming.

I hope it has a good end.

291 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #287 LaForzadelDestino

"Attackers"? "Gunmen"?

The Fox News anchor just now (sorry I didn't catch his name) is using the word "terrorists" in every sentence.

Good for him!

He obviously didn't read the notice. Off to "Happy Camp" with him.

292 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:16pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

excellent two state solution wasn't it.

293 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:38pm

re: #253 Brees

What's wrong with this article?

The reporter uses words like, terrorist & terror strike.

Shouldn't it be something like, alleged insurgent & protest march?

Pointed out the same thing on the last thread.

It must be that the MSM hasn't figured out a way to blame India yet.

Or once they have a sit down with the terror leaders while they're planning more attacks, they'll here how they're really not terrorists.

Then, magically, they'll become militants, or conservatives.

294 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:41pm

re: #284 midwestgak

reine

Due to the seriousness of this thread, I will only say I got your email. : )


'k

295 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:58pm

re: #292 Eowyn2

excellent two state solution wasn't it.

The problem is the idea that you could appease that group of fanatics.

296 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:12:59pm

This is, at least to my knowledge, a truly unusual attack. It seems to resemble a one-night, full-scale battle more than a typical terror attack.

A partial list of places hit, from the story I cited previously:

* Leopold Cafe in Colaba, a favourite hangout with the tourist crowd in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Hotel Taj Intercontinental, a five-star hotel in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Hotel Trident (formerly Hotel Oberoi), a five-star hotel in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (Formerly Victoria Terminus), the headquarters of Central Railway and a World Heritage Building in south Mumbai (Firing)

* Bade Miyan Gali behind the Hotel Taj (Firing)

* Mazagaon (Explosion)

* Vile Parle suburb in north Mumbai (Explosion)

That's unique, in my experience.

297 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:05pm

The head of the Mumbai anti-terrorism police has been murdered

298 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:16pm

re: #249 3 wood

I think they are going to hit us.

This is just a commercial to show Obama what is coming.

I do not believe they will hit us over these next four short years. al Qaeda will, I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration. What a wonderful opportunity for them to expand with little resistance.

/why blow it?

299 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:17pm

re: #237 3 wood


Hey 3, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but could the dem's have purposely contributed to the market moving down leading up to the election only to let it rebound once the O was elected? Way oversimplification but just a thought in the back of my head.

300 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:32pm

re: #263 DeafDog

I deserve that for forgettting the tag.

Moving on. There has been a new strain of Hindu terrorists in India (I kid you not). These terroriss include ex army officers and priests. It's a very sad situation....

Home Grown Indian Hindu Terrorists

Those were doing "false flag" ops to implicate muslims btw, and some of it is political, I think BJP vs RSS or some such.
On top of that there are tribal nationalists in the North near Bhutan/Nepal, Maoists and Naxalites. India's got problems.

301 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:34pm

On the news (Fox), it sounds like this situation is getting worse by the minute.

302 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:34pm

re: #251 Cognito

There's a slightly more detailed account of the interest in Americans and Brits here. It's a sort of catalogue of the various attacks and maneuvers, and shows the breadth of the planning.

Interesting site name. Of course the name Managalorean calls to mind The Fifth Element and our proper response to Islamist hostage takers: [Bang!] "Anyone else want to negotiate?"

303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:45pm

I'm surprised that an attack like this hasn't happened here. It would be too easy to just open fire on crowded train stations, plazas, parks, etc. in a city, or even several at the same time.

304 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:48pm
305 Brees  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:13:58pm

#252

W's FAULT

306 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:00pm

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

Charles -

And you find this surprising? With gasoline at about $1.75/gal. here in NJ their "benefactors" are much less able to contribute than the were for the last several years. Grab and perhaps kill a few Americans and Brits - shakes things up again, petrol prices and the requisite "zakat" rise accordingly. As you can see, I am NOT SURPRISED.

-S-

307 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:04pm

re: #267 WrathofG-d

Wasn't Pakistan created out of India to appease the Muslims since the two groups couldn't live together?

Yes, and while all Hindu left Pakistan, clearly not all Muslims left India.

See also: every other place partitioning is tried with Islam.

308 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:06pm

re: #251 Cognito


Why are you guys suddenly using "terrorists" and "terrorism" in your articles?

309 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:18pm

re: #297 Kenneth

The head of the Mumbai anti-terrorism police has been murdered


moles in the anti-terrorism police?

310 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:30pm

re: #293 Ben Hur

Pointed out the same thing on the last thread.

It must be that the MSM hasn't figured out a way to blame India yet.

Or once they have a sit down with the terror leaders while they're planning more attacks, they'll here how they're really not terrorists.

Then, magically, they'll become militants, or conservatives.

They are trying to find a way to blame it all on Bush and Cheney.

311 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:36pm

These madmen need to be destroyed, like mad dogs.
India needs some concealed carry laws to be passed!

312 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:14:46pm

re: #296 Cognito

This is, at least to my knowledge, a truly unusual attack. It seems to resemble a one-night, full-scale battle more than a typical terror attack.

A partial list of places hit, from the story I cited previously:

That's unique, in my experience.

That is bad. Numbers and coordination like that are very bad to see in the hands of an enemy.

313 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:00pm

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

arrogance is what you use when you don't have ability.

314 Right mind left  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:11pm

re: #290 3 wood

We have a 4 year long show coming.

I hope it has a good end.

The Mayans say 2012 is the end of the calendar... :O

315 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:20pm

re: #297 Kenneth

The head of the Mumbai anti-terrorism police has been murdered

My.

Yes, that seems to solidify what I was thinking in 296. This seems to be -- again, this is just to my knowledge -- a new breed of attack.

316 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:20pm

re: #288 neocon hippie

Mumbai is on the west coast of India about halfway down.


you're right. i'm wrong I had me east west left right mixed up. hyderabad is on the east coast.
(and i went to school when they still taugh geography)

317 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:33pm

re: #311 Wishing

These madmen need to be destroyed, like mad dogs.
India needs some concealed carry laws to be passed!

they could just make India a gun free zone. Toughen up the gun laws

/

318 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:42pm

re: #303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's what always worries me. The loony left sits there and tries to deny the need for the war on terror and does everything they can to make it easier for a disaster like what happened in India today to happen here.
If it happens, they'll find some irrational way to blame Bush.

319 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:48pm

re: #309 Shug

Terrorists were waiting outside the station when the chief came out and shot him.

320 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:15:55pm

re: #308 Ben Hur

Why are you guys suddenly using "terrorists" and "terrorism" in your articles?

Because the Messiah-King is about to be anointed and crowned.

321 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:04pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

That is bad. Numbers and coordination like that are very bad to see in the hands of an enemy.

No student group/terrorist group is doing that type of logistical work without state support.

I still say PAKISTAN.

322 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:06pm

I cant vouch for the accuracy of this, just passing it along: Death toll in Mumbai attacks climbs to 200.... [Link: www.chinapost.com.tw...]

323 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:14pm

re: #241 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, I can see the ROP testing the waters in, say, India, Turkey, Phillipines, Malaysia, perhaps some South East Asian countries, countries that have strategic significance. If there is no reaction then their sights turn to Israel. That is a very worrying thought.

Islam is like a really stubborn foot fungus, when you think it is undercontrol in one area, BAM, it pops up somewhere else.

324 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:40pm

re: #299 turn

Hey 3, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but could the dem's have purposely contributed to the market moving down leading up to the election only to let it rebound once the O was elected? Way oversimplification but just a thought in the back of my head.

I think that is a real possibility. I have not found anything I can put my finger on for sure to say yes, but like I said the other day, I just have this feeling that there is some manipulation going on.

I suspect short selling manipulation but I can't get that confirmed.

Yet.

325 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:16:47pm

re: #322 MrPaulRevere

I cant vouch for the accuracy of this, just passing it along: Death toll in Mumbai attacks climbs to 200.... [Link: www.chinapost.com.tw...]

I just heard that too.

326 Ben Hur  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:01pm

BBL.

327 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:11pm

re: #323 turn

Islam is like a really stubborn foot fungus, when you think it is undercontrol in one area, BAM, it pops up somewhere else.

More like the flesh-eating virus than a simple fungus.

328 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

From Instapundit:

IT’S SAD THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE REMINDED OF THIS: Despite Bells and Whistles, ‘Office of President-Elect’ Holds No Authority. “The props that decorate the stage for the Office of the President-elect serve as just that, since Barack Obama will hold no actual authority in the Executive Branch until Jan. 20.” On the other hand, if you get all your news from Keith Olbermann, you probably do need this reminder, among many others . . . .

UPDATE: “Are we experiencing an Obama Bubble?”

329 AceR  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:16pm

re: #121 Ben Hur

Hoping upon hope, like Al-Gore.

330 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:24pm

re: #223 Tumulus11

. These attacks could lead to a war between India and Pakistan.

Mr. Obama had better have his game face on.

Prayers for the dead and wounded and for those held hostage.

"Tum" -

If the balloon goes up, my bet is on India and a short, brutal war. Were it not for the possibility of a nuclear confrontation, I suspect the world would just stand back and let it happen.

-S-

331 Crusty  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:27pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

I don't know...is there a program on tomorrow of someone gnawing their own leg off to get away from an Obama-filled telescreen? If there is, that would be a good link.

If I turn on my own webcam there will be a program like that.

I'm going to tell her that I'd rather not spoil my appetite and send her the "Prairie Fire" link.

332 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:29pm

re: #308 Ben Hur

hahahahahahahahaa

333 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:42pm
334 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:43pm

re: #318 livefreeor die

That's what always worries me. The loony left sits there and tries to deny the need for the war on terror and does everything they can to make it easier for a disaster like what happened in India today to happen here.
If it happens, they'll find some irrational way to blame Bush.

This is when their racism comes out of the closet.

"This doesn't prove any terrorist threat. Stuff like that happens all the time in places like that. Backward, barbaric countries. Always has, always will. "

335 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:47pm

re: #324 3 wood

I think that is a real possibility. I have not found anything I can put my finger on for sure to say yes, but like I said the other day, I just have this feeling that there is some manipulation going on.

I suspect short selling manipulation but I can't get that confirmed.

Yet.

Soros comes to mind.

336 y0kkles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:17:54pm

re: #303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yes. I have always wondered about that too.

My guess is they are concentrating their efforts on something bigger.

Let's pray we can prevent it.

337 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:09pm

Here's why this is happening in places like Mumbai rather than here:

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

338 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:19pm

re: #308 Ben Hur

Why are you guys suddenly using "terrorists" and "terrorism" in your articles?

Because it isn't Israel or the US.

339 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:20pm

re: #296 Cognito

thanks for that list

340 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:34pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I do not believe they will hit us over these next four short years. al Qaeda will, I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration. What a wonderful opportunity for them to expand with little resistance.

/why blow it?

Who is going to stop them?

Obama?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

341 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:18:56pm

re: #311 Wishing

These madmen need to be destroyed, like mad dogs.
India needs some concealed carry laws to be passed!

As well as OPEN carry laws. Glock on the hip is what they need. Bus boys with Barettas. Cabana boys with carbines. Maitre de's with MPKs. The Concierge needs a Calico M-900.

342 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:19:00pm

The coordination of the attacks makes it almost certain that these are AQ backed groups such as Lashkar e Taibr, Jaish e Muhammed (most of them are tied up in Dara Adam Khel atm however) or Harkut ul Jihad Islameyah. So LeT, JeM or HuJI (P more likely than B) with AQ providing planning are the likely groups.

The Naxalites hit a couple days ago, but this doesn't have their signature, and the Hindus are probably laying low after the recent revelations.

343 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:19:13pm

re: #321 Ben Hur

No student group/terrorist group is doing that type of logistical work without state support.

I still say PAKISTAN.

Iran would love the distraction these attacks are creating also.

344 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:19:39pm

re: #321 Ben Hur

No student group/terrorist group is doing that type of logistical work without state support.

I still say PAKISTAN.

Not impossible, but also not required. Bear in mind that India itself has a population of some 130 million Muslims. (That's not 130 million bad guys, of course. But if the percentages scale up, there are a lot of bad guys among the good.)

345 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:19pm

re: #258 Pyrocles

92% of countries who identify their primary religion as Muslim are above the world average in population growth. 27%, 4.3M, of total world population growth from '87 to '07, 16M, has happened in Muslim countries.The average age of the population in these countries is 18-24. AVERAGE! In the US it is 35-50.

346 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:22pm

Ironically, my two older sons are working on their Scout "Citizenship in the World" merit badge right now. They both have to research an international event and comment on it. I'll have them do that tonight. The hubby and I are making sure they get an accurate understanding of world events to make up for the pablum they get at school.

347 KathyP  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:24pm

CNN Int'l. just reported that there is no hostage situation, but that 2 gunmen were seen coming out of one of the hotels with about 15 people. So since they're not holed up in the hotel it's not a hostage situation? Maybe I should go back to watching Fox.

348 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:20:33pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration.


What better recruitment tool than successful attacks against the U.S.?

349 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:08pm

re: #333 buzzsawmonkey

If they do start using words like "terror" and "terrorism" then it may force the Obama Administration to actually respond to the threats--so, unjust though it may be given the way the media have soft-pedaled these things in order to discredit Bush, I'd give them a pass, to some extent.

I see it as more of a double-whammy used to discredit Bush, bad economy AND resurgent terrorism as he lame-ducks his way to being replaced by O.

350 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:11pm

re: #347 KathyP

CNN Int'l. just reported that there is no hostage situation, but that 2 gunmen were seen coming out of one of the hotels with about 15 people. So since they're not holed up in the hotel it's not a hostage situation? Maybe I should go back to watching Fox.

Relax. It's breaking news.

351 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:13pm

Sophisticated organization. Coordinated bombings. Multiple locations. Numerous attackers. Destabilizing results. Attacks on Brits and Americans.

Sounds like a terrorist group(s) to me.

352 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:26pm

re: #341 father_of_10

As well as OPEN carry laws. Glock on the hip is what they need. Bus boys with Barettas. Cabana boys with carbines. Maitre de's with MPKs. The Concierge needs a Calico M-900.

geez. I wonder if 'father_of_10' belongs to the NRA?
/

353 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:38pm

re: #347 KathyP

CNN Int'l. just reported that there is no hostage situation, but that 2 gunmen were seen coming out of one of the hotels with about 15 people. So since they're not holed up in the hotel it's not a hostage situation? Maybe I should go back to watching Fox.

What do they think those 15 people are, their fan club?
Must.Not.Go.Into.Labor.

354 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:43pm

re: #251 Cognito

There's a slightly more detailed account of the interest in Americans and Brits here. It's a sort of catalogue of the various attacks and maneuvers, and shows the breadth of the planning.

I'm liking the article already, they start right out calling them terrorists instead of gunman. Lots more detail, thanks for the link. BTW, I was surprised to see you back in, you must be sticking with your promises :.)

Man I'm falling way behind on this thread ...

355 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:56pm

Does anyone have the link for Fox news online?

356 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:21:58pm

re: #344 Cognito

There are some in the new Pakistani gov't who were trying to pursue reconciliation with India. Which means there were also others in the country who would do anything to scuttle it. Indian Muslim extremist groups would certainly be involved (the attackers are almost certainly Indians) but they may or may not have foreign support.

357 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:22:03pm

re: #354 turn

Promises?

358 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:22:08pm

re: #315 Cognito

This is almost certainly the work of Pakistan's Secret Service. It's way to complicated to be a domestic operation. These guys were trained and had a lot of intel.

359 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:22:21pm

re: #298 unrealizedviewpoint

I do not believe they will hit us over these next four short years. al Qaeda will, I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration. What a wonderful opportunity for them to expand with little resistance.

/why blow it?

they will be small attacks to begin with.
a mall here
a school there
see what the response is.

I think we will see a lot of "sudden jihadi syndrome" being spouted for these tests.

It will also depend on what happens in congress in two years.

360 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:23:03pm

re: #355 Wishing

Does anyone have the link for Fox news online?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

361 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:23:04pm

Cognito,

By the way, weren't you banned?

362 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:23:21pm

re: #358 Killgore Trout

This is almost certainly the work of Pakistan's Secret Service. It's way to complicated to be a domestic operation. These guys were trained and had a lot of intel.

I agree. It's way too well coordinated to be the work of amateurs.

363 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:02pm

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

364 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:14pm

re: #355 Wishing

Does anyone have the link for Fox news online?

foxnews.com

365 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:20pm

re: #300 Thanos

Those were doing "false flag" ops to implicate muslims btw, and some of it is political, I think BJP vs RSS or some such.
On top of that there are tribal nationalists in the North near Bhutan/Nepal, Maoists and Naxalites. India's got problems.

Exactly. Jihadis are not the only terrorist problem in India. Add Maoists and Tamil tigers.


This attack today though is signature Jihadi-style.

366 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:27pm
367 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:28pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

God have mercy on them and their families.

368 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:36pm

re: #362 livefreeor die

There are several Kashmiri terrorist groups with plenty of experience. However, the scale of this attack is much greater than anything before.

369 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:44pm

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

370 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:24:51pm

Another report here:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

371 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:04pm

re: #362 livefreeor die

I agree. It's way too well coordinated to be the work of amateurs.

I wouldn't doubt that, but I wouldn't suppose it either. It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming anything big and dangerous couldn't be the work of mere angry individuals.

Just ask (many) people in the Middle East about September 11.

372 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:07pm
373 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:07pm

re: #324 3 wood

I think that is a real possibility. I have not found anything I can put my finger on for sure to say yes, but like I said the other day, I just have this feeling that there is some manipulation going on.

I suspect short selling manipulation but I can't get that confirmed.

Yet.

Really? I must have missed you comment the other day. I thought I might have been way off base. Another stupid question, was the run up of oil prices by speculators a last ditch effort to cash in with them knowing the bottom of the overall market was soon to drop out?

374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:12pm

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

375 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:19pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

Bush's fault!

376 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:24pm

Oh phone with fiancee in hyderabad. She says something about some top cops being executed in Mumbai.

377 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:26pm

Is this the test Joe Biden was warning us about?

378 firedupengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:30pm

No need to worry. All terrorist attacks like these will cease on January 20th, 2009.

379 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:39pm

re: #348 bulwrk

I believe, take this opportunity to rebuild it's ranks unimpeded by the Obama administration.


What better recruitment tool than successful attacks against the U.S.?

I don't know if recruitment is up when we're attacked. ?
I know it's up when we're doing the attacking.
Recruitment is dropping off at the moment - as hostilities are lessening.

380 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:42pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

Here we go.

I hope there are Delta operators airborne at this very moment.

381 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:42pm

Smells HuJI-P or LeT to me, both have ties to ISI. Just the other day Zardari said he was willing to commit to a "No first strike" stance with India if they would do the same, that's major movement of the ball on nuclear detente between Pakistan and India. It raised quite a furor within certain parties in Pakistan.

382 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:25:46pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

I would have needed serious blood pressure meds after that encounter!

383 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:05pm

re: #369 Occasional Reader

You know, just the other day I had someone confidently tell me that all the so-called "jihadist" terrorist attacks since 9/11 are really just a reaction to things that America did.

I wonder how she categorizes this one.

no doubt she's wearing blinders. She will find a way to blame America

384 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:07pm

re: #347 KathyP
IBNLive has live streaming from Mumbai. Site is linked in # 214. Good coverage.

385 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:09pm

re: #360 VegasRick

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Thanks! But all I have are tapes of the co vering of the shooting? Is there a LIVE in real time as well?

386 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:17pm

Live streaming Indian news.....

NDTV 24x7 Live

Mostly in English.

387 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:28pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

I believe this is a "The Kingdom" moment.

388 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:26:54pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

Britons?

I thought they were British. The "Britons" were a historical tribe of people the Romans conquered under Emperor Claudius.

389 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:03pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Indian Special Forces are very professional and serious. There are also many regular police who have been caught in gunfights today. At the moment it sounds like total chaos.

390 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:27pm

re: #388 Hengineer

Britons?

I thought they were British. The "Britons" were a historical tribe of people the Romans conquered under Emperor Claudius.

British, adjective.
Briton, noun.

391 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:28pm

re: #380 Occasional Reader

Here we go.

I hope there are Delta operators airborne at this very moment.

(And SAS.)

392 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:27:50pm

re: #263 DeafDog

I'm going to read that link later, dollars to donuts this was Islam though.

393 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:28:01pm

re: #389 Kenneth

Indian Special Forces are very professional and serious. There are also many regular police who have been caught in gunfights today. At the moment it sounds like total chaos.

How do India and Israel get along? I'm sure the Mossad would be happy to help them in their response to this.

394 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:28:10pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

shit.

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:28:35pm

re: #379 unrealizedviewpoint

I don't know if recruitment is up when we're attacked. ?
I know it's up when we're doing the attacking.
Recruitment is dropping off at the moment - as hostilities are lessening.

Recruitment is BOOMING, not dropping.

396 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:05pm

re: #358 Killgore Trout

Another ISI operation that never got much media play was the suicide bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

397 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:09pm

here's the Twitter #Mumbai blogger stream: [Link: search.twitter.com...]

398 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:17pm

re: #390 Cognito

British, adjective.
Briton, noun.

[Link: dictionary.weather.net...]

Main Entry:
Brit·on Listen to the pronunciation of Briton
Pronunciation:
ˈbri-tən
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English Breton, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French, from Latin Britton-, Britto, of Celtic origin; akin to Welsh Brython
Date:
13th century

1: a member of one of the peoples inhabiting Britain prior to the Anglo-Saxon invasions2: a native or subject of Great Britain ; especially : englishman

Huh, I guess you CAN refer to the modern UK as "Britons".

399 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Live streaming Indian news.....

NDTV 24x7 Live

Mostly in English.

Stinky jumps up when you click on that link.

400 DeafDog  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #303 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm surprised that an attack like this hasn't happened here. It would be too easy to just open fire on crowded train stations, plazas, parks, etc. in a city, or even several at the same time.

FYI - Mumbai is a popular target. Here are two previous attacks there. The July one was very similar to this one, but using the AK's with the bimbs seems to be a new wrinkle.

Mumbai in July 2008

July 2006

401 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:37pm
A link to relevant videos, including an eyewitness account: [Link: broadband.indiatimes.com...]

that ibnlive link is fantastic

thanks

402 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:44pm

re: #394 FrogMarch

NDTV live stream at #386. I haven't heard them mention the hostages yet.

403 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:29:46pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

I fear and expect that they'll get the same treatment that the Beslan captives got in Russia.

404 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:08pm

re: #395 FurryOldGuyJeans

Recruitment is BOOMING, not dropping.

We are referring to al Qaeda recruitment. But thanks. :)

405 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:09pm

re: #398 Hengineer

Huh, I guess you CAN refer to the modern UK as "Britons".

I'm not sure what "dictionary.weather.net" has to say about it, but yes, "Briton" is a modern standard usage.

406 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:22pm

re: #393 livefreeor die

Very close allies, in fact. They have the same enemies.

407 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:23pm

re: #280 astronmr20

I proposed to my fiancee at the Marriot in Hyderabad just 50 days ago. Security was unlike anything I had ever seen in India or anywhere else. Mirrors under the car, searched the trunk, dogs, etc.

They knew this was coming.

Interesting. BTW an early congrats and a bit of advice, don't go back to India for your honeymoon.

408 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:30:39pm

re: #404 unrealizedviewpoint

We are referring to al Qaeda recruitment. But thanks. :)

Ahh, ;)

409 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:31:03pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

They are going to be highly effective at killing the terrorists, I wouldn't want to be a hostage however. They are pretty efficient, and well trained. The last big confrontation they were in the kicked ass on the Pakistani SSG.

410 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:31:46pm

per FoxNews live stream
Indian anti-terrorism chief Hemant Karkare was shot and killed.

Indian army going into the Trident Hotel.

411 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:31:50pm

Grenades still being thrown out of the Taj hotel

412 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:00pm

Son #1, who is a Marine reservist on active duty, told me last night that his unit is slated to go to Afghanistan in a few months. My BIL just returned from there earlier this year after a 14 month assignment with the Naval Reserves (I asked him where he parked his frickin' boat over there and he retorted in the usual Navy fashion. Officer and a gentleman? Hah!). Seems like that place will definitely be the next never-ending hell-hole.

413 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:01pm
414 Hengineer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:04pm

re: #405 Cognito

I'm not sure what "dictionary.weather.net" has to say about it, but yes, "Briton" is a modern standard usage.

Oddly enough, if you click on it it goes to a "Mirrian Webster" Definition.

Just a quick google search

415 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:32:16pm

re: #399 VegasRick

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

416 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:33:04pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

Thank you, that works well.

417 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:33:45pm

40 held hostage at Trident Hotel , army entering the hotel soon.

418 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:33:55pm

IBN reporting Anti terrorist Police forces massing in front of the Taj Hotel Preparing for action. I cannot tell if it is just the Oberai with hostage situation.

419 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:34:09pm

re: #374 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Anyone have any knowledge about Indian Special Forces, how they might handle a hostage rescue?

The Indian authorities undoubtedly have elaborate contingency plans for hostage situations at places like the Taj. Part of the coordinated assault appears to be a preemptive attack on the anti-terrorism police, possibly in the hope of disrupting any immediate response. That, too, is probably one of the contingencies.

420 livefreeor die  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:34:12pm

I better go. I have to make stuffing, cornbread, and other things we're contributing to the family Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. Sadly, it seems so trite to be worrying about cooking right now.

421 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:34:54pm

re: #395 FurryOldGuyJeans

I believe he was referencing al-qaeda recruiting.

422 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:35:00pm

re: #413 Cognito

Latest.

Encounters on at Taj, Trident

"Encounters"?

Interesting usage.

423 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:35:05pm

re: #407 turn

Interesting. BTW an early congrats and a bit of advice, don't go back to India for your honeymoon.

We were planning to... not sure now.

424 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:35:26pm

In 1987, muslim countries represented 12% of the world population, by 2007, they represented 20%. This does NOT account for muslims living outside predominantly muslim countries. Only for those in a country which is identified as predominantly muslim.

425 The Sanity Inspector  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:01pm

Stand by for another finger-wagging about how we all have to try harder to be sensitive to Muslims.

And whoever said this had it exactly right: If you hear about a terrorist attack, minus the particulars, you'd have a hard time guessing where it happened. You would have no such hard time guessing who did it.

426 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:12pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

They are over-loaded.

427 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:12pm

The one heartening attribute of Obama, so far, is that he has been willing to break the promises he's made.

We're keeping Gitmo open, and we're keeping the same Defense Department. Maybe it takes an ostensible pro-Third-World pacifist to make the case for foreign interventions and national security to the Blue half.

428 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:17pm
429 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:25pm

re: #417 Killgore Trout

40 held hostage at Trident Hotel , army entering the hotel soon.

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.

430 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:35pm

Police intercepted two boats full of explosives.

431 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:36:52pm

Insane moonbat commenter at cbc.ca:

Crazy? Ask an age old question: "Who would benefit?" Bushites, obamates and military contractors. US would forget about economic collapse for the time being and we would come closer to New World Order.

BDS & ODS in one!

432 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:13pm

re: #426 astronmr20

It took me a few tries to get their live stream to work.

433 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:24pm

re: #429 father_of_10

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.


sadly, that's what these fanatics want. They want to go out in a blaze of martyrdom

434 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:30pm

re: #399 VegasRick

Stinky jumps up when you click on that link.

It is an unnerving experience.

435 gregg  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:37:42pm

I'm kind of surprised the U.S. stock markets are so strong in spite of the India attacks and rumors of foreign hostages.

436 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:08pm

re: #426 astronmr20
See comment #214 above for link to IBNlive streaming.

437 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:17pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

Sorry about that. Let's try this: NDTV, click on the Live TV tab.

That works.

438 Pyrocles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:37pm

The future seemingly belongs to Islam. Which Islam will that be? The true "original" Islam of 7th century Arabia and the Prophet, or a reformed Westernized version? I pray for the latter...support the moderates wherever they may be.

re: #424 hermit

In 1987, muslim countries represented 12% of the world population, by 2007, they represented 20%. This does NOT account for muslims living outside predominantly muslim countries. Only for those in a country which is identified as predominantly muslim.

439 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:43pm

re: #428 buzzsawmonkeyMy concern is that the terrorists have learned from the Mongol tactics of "ring and run"
The Mongols would poke at an enemy's line of defense so they could see where the reinforcements came from. Classic strategy to see beyond the castle wall.

440 JacksonTn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:38:55pm

Well, I guess we will soon find out "which way the wind blows" for Obama and the muslims. I wonder if he is still in touch with any of his friends from his 1981 trip to Pakistan? He better do the right thing ...and I mean right from the git go ...

I pray for the families and victims of these murderers ...and for the lizards here who mentioned they had family and friends over there ...

441 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:01pm

re: #429 father_of_10

Agreed. These guys are regular army, not SWAT teams.

442 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:02pm

re: #429 father_of_10

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.

What if the terrorists are booby trap laden? It's been known to happen/

443 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:07pm

re: #249 3 wood

What was it Obama's good terrorist buddies used to say? It doesn't take a Weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing?

444 machira  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:22pm

you can see it live on ibnlive.in.com

445 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:22pm

re: #363 sadhu

FOX40 NEWS ALERT: 40 Britons and Americans have been taken hostage inside the Taj Hotel in Mumbai (Source: NDTV)

Oh holy f#$@, we had a Iranian hostage crisis under Carter and now we see what might be the start of an Indian hostage crisis under O.

BBL

446 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:24pm

re: #429 father_of_10

I would think if the Indian army enters that hotel, it will be short and bloody and I doubt any terrorists will be coming out on their own feet. Unfortunately, the hostages may not be either.

On that latter point, I hope we're both wrong... I think hostage rescue attempts rarely go well when they are undertaken immediately. The good ones take a LOT of planning.

447 kulhwch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:30pm

The craven criminal cowards of the koran strike again.

}:)     [Allah's happy band of tard thugs. Ptui.]

448 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:41pm

IBN Live [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

(sound working?)

449 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:39:59pm

re: #437 FrogMarch

That works.

(well - I can't get it to work) - but the link works) )

450 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:40:21pm

72 killed

451 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:40:25pm

Hrmm.. Head of Intel investigating the Malegon bombings was killed in this, he's not well liked by BJP and RSS. Don't count the Hindus out yet.

452 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:41:24pm

Terrorists came out of a police van and started firing

453 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:41:47pm

re: #433 Shug

sadly, that's what these fanatics want. They want to go out in a blaze of martyrdom

"They want to be martyrs; we're here to help."

454 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:01pm

re: #451 Thanos

Hrmm.. Head of Intel investigating the Malegon bombings was killed in this, he's not well liked by BJP and RSS. Don't count the Hindus out yet.

But I don't recall Hindus going after Americans and Britons. Regardless of what we hear in the news, on the street the Indians still like Americans and Britons.

455 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:02pm

Is this a Jihadi Tet Offensive?

456 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:02pm

re: #438 Pyrocles
I'll assume you missed this?!

ROPMA=Necromongers

457 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:03pm

re: #438 Pyrocles

Had a Chinese shopkeeper tell me once: "Oo Long - Oo Lung - All same ting".

There ain't no moderate in Mohammedanism, and the sooner folks get over that notion the better.

458 Raven1  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:26pm

Mumbai used to be named Bombay, I think. Don't know why the name was changed.

459 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:35pm

re: #441 Killgore Trout

Agreed. These guys are regular army, not SWAT teams.

Lordy. I hope they're army special ops. Very few regular troops, anywhere, are trained for this kind of thing.

460 pie22  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:45pm

Hi lizards. I hope these people come out of this. (alive). I just can not help remembering that it took President Reagan to get the last batch of this many hostages released from a bunch of kooks. Obama is no President Reagan. I hope Bush can take care of this quickly.

461 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:42:54pm

Send in the gurkhas.

462 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:43:01pm

re: #454 father_of_10

But I don't recall Hindus going after Americans and Britons. Regardless of what we hear in the news, on the street the Indians still like Americans and Britons.

What of the Christian church burnings?

463 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:43:30pm

re: #438 Pyrocles

The future seemingly belongs to Islam. Which Islam will that be? The true "original" Islam of 7th century Arabia and the Prophet, or a reformed Westernized version? I pray for the latter...support the moderates wherever they may be.

I don't want the future to belong to ANY religion; I want it to belong to constitutional democracies that permit ALL of them, while favoring NONE of them over any of the others.

464 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:43:34pm

re: #458 Raven1

Mumbai used to be named Bombay, I think. Don't know why the name was changed.

And yet they are still being bombed.

465 Rancher  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:43:39pm

Nothing broadens ones horizons much less gives one a deep appreciation for the U.S. as travel abroad. Nevertheless I don't see any reason to leave the country at this point in time and can site several reasons not to.

466 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:43:41pm

re: #457 Cap'n DOC

There ain't no moderate in Mohammedanism

I am no fan of the religion, but your statement is demonstrably false.

467 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:43:57pm

re: #461 astronmr20

Send in the gurkhas.

I don't think India has Ghurka regiments, you might be thinking Malaysia, where they act as police.

468 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:44:00pm

re: #462 Thanos

What of the Christian church burnings?

Was that the work of Indian Hundus or Indian Muslims?

469 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:44:20pm

re: #454 father_of_10

But I don't recall Hindus going after Americans and Britons. Regardless of what we hear in the news, on the street the Indians still like Americans and Britons.

They actually go after Christians, but that's generally in the north.

470 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:44:30pm

re: #463 Salamantis
Have I told you lately just how much I love you?

471 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:44:34pm

Unknown group called "Deccan Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility. "Deccan" refers to the large central plain of India.

472 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:44:54pm

re: #455 FurryOldGuyJeans

Good association. Very similar.

473 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:45:06pm

re: #458 Raven1

Mumbai used to be named Bombay, I think. Don't know why the name was changed.


Mumbai originally. Brits anglicized it to Bombay.

474 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:45:17pm

re: #468 father_of_10

Was that the work of Indian Hundus or Indian Muslims?

Hindus to my understanding

475 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:45:59pm

re: #445 turn

Oh holy f#$@, we had a Iranian hostage crisis under Carter and now we see what might be the start of an Indian hostage crisis under O.

One difference is that O isn't in charge, despite his "Office of the President-Elect". Another difference is that, outside the hostage site, the country is friendly to us. The siege will not be supportable beyond December, and will not face O on Inauguration Day.

If the terrorists and hostages get safe passage to Pakistan, that will change obviously. But that probably won't happen. I'm more worried that the hostages will get murdered.

476 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:04pm

re: #474 Thanos

Unknown group called "Deccan Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility. "Deccan" refers to the large central plain of India.

477 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:06pm

re: #469 astronmr20

They actually go after Christians, but that's generally in the north.

But the Christians in question are Indians, not Britons or Americans.

478 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:21pm

re: #471 Kenneth

Unknown group called "Deccan Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility. "Deccan" refers to the large central plain of India.

"Unknown group" to me augments the possibility that it's a Pakistan ISI false flag op.

479 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:23pm

re: #467 Thanos

I don't think India has Ghurka regiments, you might be thinking Malaysia, where they act as police.

Actually they are under British command.

480 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:24pm

re: #467 Thanos

I don't think India has Ghurka regiments, you might be thinking Malaysia, where they act as police.

Gurkhas are Indian or Nepalese. The Indian army does have Gurkha regiments.

481 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:28pm

The Hindus are pretty mad right now over the temple land grant that was revoked in India controlled Kashmir.

482 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:46:36pm
483 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:05pm

re: #458 Raven1
There are several different reasons for renamings:

to adjust the spelling in English language to the spelling in the local language and thus to correct misspellings introduced by the British colonial authorities (e.g. Cawnpore to Kanpur)
to switch from a name of European origin to a name of Indian origin (e.g. Madras to Chennai)
to switch from a name of Muslim origin to a name of Hindu origin
Copied from Wiki

484 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:11pm

re: #476 Kenneth

Unknown group called "Deccan Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility. "Deccan" refers to the large central plain of India.

Indicates HuJI-B maybe...

485 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:13pm

re: #474 Thanos

The only group to claim responsibility has a Muslim extremist name. There have been no reports that Hindus are involved. So please stop spreading BS.

486 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:13pm

re: #476 Kenneth

Unknown group called "Deccan Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility. "Deccan" refers to the large central plain of India.

Unknown groups are usually fronts for state-sponsorship. ISI is behind this.

487 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:29pm

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, the hell with it.


Need a handbasket?

488 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:39pm

CNN is reporting (from a reporter at the scene) that the Taj hotel has at least hostages (that's from an eye-witness, couldn't be independently confirmed), and there are terrorists on the roof of the Taj throwing hand grenades at the police...the army has been called in...(questions about how guns got into the hotel..)

489 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:47:52pm

I had to duck out and run a short errand and listened to this on the radio.

The MSM actually used the word "terrorist"

Not "freedom fighter"

Not "insurgent"

Not "protestor"

But the MSM actually called them "terrorists".

Wow.

490 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:03pm

re: #458 Raven1

Mumbai used to be named Bombay, I think. Don't know why the name was changed.

Bom Bay is Portugues for "Good Bay". Not a very original name.

It's "Mumbai" because of how the locals pronounce it, I suppose. There are a few Polish towns with -wiesz at the end which are old Germanic -wic. And In England, there are all these -chesters which are Latin -castra.

491 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:16pm
492 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:18pm

Fox News update:

Terrorists reportedly holding 40 hostages, including Westerners, after launching seven attacks in India's financial capital that killed at least 78 and injured 200
493 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:23pm

re: #471 Kenneth

Unknown group called "Deccan Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility. "Deccan" refers to the large central plain of India.

Yes.. the Deccan is the large "Southern peninsula" part of india.

494 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:36pm

re: #481 Thanos

But it is total conjecture to blame this attack on Hindus. And completely irresponsible.

495 Rancher  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:44pm

re: #467 Thanos

I don't think India has Ghurka regiments, you might be thinking Malaysia, where they act as police.

The British had Ghurka units. When they were trying to recruit paratroopers they asked for Ghurka volunteers to jump out of airplanes and only got about 30% that would volunteer. When they explained parachutes they got 95%.

496 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:46pm

re: #488 J.S.

that's at least 15 hostages...being held at the Taj Hotel...

497 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:53pm

re: #489 3 wood

I had to duck out and run a short errand and listened to this on the radio.

The MSM actually used the word "terrorist"

Not "freedom fighter"

Not "insurgent"

Not "protestor"

But the MSM actually called them "terrorists".

Wow.

Eye-opening, ain't it.

498 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:48:55pm

The foxnews live stream is in English, but is from India, with reporters at the various locations, if anyone is interested.

499 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:49:20pm

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

Just a thought. Do you think we will see a large increase in this sort of thing between now and 1-20-09?

No. Not really. If anything, al Qaeda would stay their hand if they have a hand, and wait for the inauguration. Then they'd call upon the new president to meet their many and righteous demands. When he balks at some part of a long and presumptuous list, they'll have the religious justification to punish him, and the U.S., for the audacity of hoping for anything but a fight to the finish.

500 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:49:25pm

re: #485 Kenneth

The only group to claim responsibility has a Muslim extremist name. There have been no reports that Hindus are involved. So please stop spreading BS.

I am not spreading bullshit, I am speculating on facts that are known. I just heard about a group claiming credit, see my last comment and please get your panties out of a bunch. You want links, I can provide them for everything I've stated.

501 Opinionated  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:49:37pm

They are gathering at the State Dept and Rice has given specific instructions on what must be done.................find a way to blame Israel.

502 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:49:47pm

re: #491 buzzsawmonkey

Why, thank you. I was just looking for one...but since there are no quaint native handicrafts in America, it was proving hard to find one.

What is this then?

503 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:18pm

re: #468 father_of_10

Was that the work of Indian Hundus or Indian Muslims?

Hindus.

504 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:22pm

re: #495 Rancher

The British still have Gurkhas, serving in Afghanistan right now.

Bloody. Tough. Soldiers.

505 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:24pm

Confirmed. Some hostages are American.

506 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:27pm

IBN reporting commandos arrived at Oberai Hotel.

507 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:37pm

re: #494 Kenneth

But it is total conjecture to blame this attack on Hindus. And completely irresponsible.

Where the fuck did I blame it on Hindus? I am speculating, now that a group has claimed credit, you can get yourself out of a lather.

508 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:42pm

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

It doesn't have nifty cheeses or quaint native handicrafts!

What about my Kimber Warrior? Made in quaint, native Yonker, NY.

509 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:44pm

re: #498 reine.de.tout

The foxnews live stream is in English, but is from India, with reporters at the various locations, if anyone is interested.

It's ndtv.

510 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:46pm

re: #489 3 wood

I had to duck out and run a short errand and listened to this on the radio.

The MSM actually used the word "terrorist"

Not "freedom fighter"

Not "insurgent"

Not "protestor"

But the MSM actually called them "terrorists".

Wow.

Once they confirm who's responsible, they'll call them activists.

511 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:48pm
512 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:50:51pm

re: #490 Zimriel

Bom Bay is Portugues for "Good Bay". Not a very original name.

It's "Mumbai" because of how the locals pronounce it, I suppose. There are a few Polish towns with -wiesz at the end which are old Germanic -wic. And In England, there are all these -chesters which are Latin -castra.

It was changed because Bombay was the British name. Same with Chennai. Used to be Madras.

513 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:51:10pm

re: #502 father_of_10

What is this then?

That, sir, is my case. Thank you for locating it!

514 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:51:34pm

re: #511 buzzsawmonkey

What are you going to pick it up with? Your feet?

515 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:51:49pm

re: #494 Kenneth

But it is total conjecture to blame this attack on Hindus. And completely irresponsible.

HIndu extremists have been busy lately as well, and have carried out false flag attacks in the past.

516 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:51:57pm
517 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:52:05pm

re: #482 buzzsawmonkey

But...but...but...America is vulgar and commercial! It doesn't have nifty cheeses or quaint native handicrafts! It's a racist country! Its people aren't soulful, and don't appreciate beauty! It's...

Oh, the hell with it.



Then what, pray tell, is this?

518 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:52:07pm

re: #500 Thanos

Until you can provide a current link identifying the terrorists in today's attack are Hindus, you are blowing smoke out your ass.

519 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:52:42pm
520 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:52:55pm

re: #490 Zimriel

Bom Bay is Portugues for "Good Bay".

"Bahia" is Portugese for "Bay".

521 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:05pm

CNN is reporting that additional areas (in and around Mumbai) are now under attack..

522 Silhouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:06pm

re: #431 Kenneth

Next time you hear about a bank robbery, ask yourself, "Who benefits?" Most bank robbers are caught, so not them. But the budgets for police departments nationwide are huge.

Ergo: All crime is perpetuated secretly by police to justify their existance and keep their jobs.

/same logic

523 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:11pm

re: #373 turn

Another stupid question, was the run up of oil prices by speculators a last ditch effort to cash in with them knowing the bottom of the overall market was soon to drop out?

No.

It was a combination of supply and demand (Us, China and India mostly) and hedge funds taking long positions. Some hedge funds got pretty badly burned, too.

By the way, about 2/3's of the toy makers in China are closing up or cutting way back this year.

I see an entrepreneurial opportunity for an American company there.

524 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:21pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

What about my Kimber Warrior? Made in quaint, native Yonker, NY.

Yonkers

525 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:31pm

re: #518 Kenneth

Until you can provide a current link identifying the terrorists in today's attack are Hindus, you are blowing smoke out your ass.

You are confusing speculation with accusation, FOAD

/gaze

526 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:37pm

re: #517 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


Then what, pray tell, is this?

And that, sir, goes with my whine,...thank you belly much!

527 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:53pm

re: #521 J.S.

CNN is reporting that additional areas (in and around Mumbai) are now under attack..

Last report was 7. How many now?

528 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:53:58pm

re: #517 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


Then what, pray tell, is this?


I once had a job applicant whose name was Velveeta Larshay.

529 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:54:08pm

re: #516 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was Yonkers. What happened to the rest of the Yonks?

Budget cuts. Times are tough.

530 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:54:23pm

re: #380 Occasional Reader

Here we go.

I hope there are Delta operators airborne at this very moment.

"O-R" -

Indian "Black Cats" may be engaging soon from what I saw - truly tough and smart SOB's.

-S-

531 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:54:26pm

re: #519 buzzsawmonkey

But you'd have to carry it on your head, like soulful, close-to-the-earth natives do in other parts of the world.

Other parts of the world? we do that here in America too, ya know. Ever been to Zuni? You need to go.

532 notutopia  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:54:42pm

[Link: www.thewest.com.au...]
Tourists warned of terrorist attacks in Thailand

26th November 2008, 6:45 WST

Australians travelling to Thailand have been warned that terrorists may be planning attacks against tourists and other places frequented by foreigners.

Authorities have advised tourists not to travel to the southern provinces of Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat and Songkhla or overland to and from the Malaysian border.
Danger exists from ongoing violence in those regions, including terrorist attacks and bombings resulting in deaths and injuries on an almost daily basis, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said in an updated travel advisory.
“We advise you to exercise a high degree of caution because of the uncertain political situation and high threat of terrorist attack,” the advice says.
Tourists should pay close attention to their personal security at all times and monitor the media for information about possible new safety or security risks.

More details are available from the government’s Smart Traveller website [Link: www.smartraveller.gov.au....]

533 MacDuff  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:54:46pm

re: #123 Lively

Office of President-Elect

/is that arrogant or what?

It's not only arrogance, it'spremature elevation.....

534 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:55:12pm

re: #525 Thanos

You are confusing speculation with accusation information, FOAD yourself

/gaze


...fixed that for you.

535 Rancher  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:55:21pm

re: #504 Kenneth
Good to see they still have them. Are Indians still considered British citizens?

536 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:55:34pm

re: #535 Rancher

Good to see they still have them. Are Indians still considered British citizens?

No.

537 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:13pm

The NDTV feed is incredible.
Go India!

538 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:17pm
539 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:23pm

This really is looking like a kind of Tet offensive.

I hope it turns out to be at least as much of a tactical debacle for the terrorists as the original was. (Without the subsequent strategic win, brought about by American media.)

540 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:40pm

re: #527 midwestgak

The number of areas hasn't been specified (originally there were 7 areas reported -- from train station to luxury hotels) -- now it's "more" areas -- new places in different parts of the city -- in the northern areas...no actual number given yet...but, it's more than 7...

541 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:54pm

re: #528 redstateredneck

I once had a job applicant whose name was Velveeta Larshay.

I had a job applicant who won the funny name contest: Shamseddin Talooey.

542 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:56pm

re: #435 gregg

I'm kind of surprised the U.S. stock markets are so strong in spite of the India attacks and rumors of foreign hostages.

It has to do with the drop in mortgage rates (the bail out is starting to have an effect) and the market was waaaaay oversold.

DOW up 229 now.

Look for a 10% to 20% rise over the next 10 days or so, but then another drop.

543 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:56:57pm

re: #535 Rancher

Not British citizens, but Commonwealth members. The Gurkhas come from Nepal. The money they earn are a huge part of the economy of Nepal (very poor).

544 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:57:05pm

re: #516 buzzsawmonkey

I thought it was Yonkers. What happened to the rest of the Yonks?

re: #529 Occasional Reader

Budget cuts. Times are tough.

I just think buzz pwnd your "s"

545 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:57:36pm

re: #539 Occasional Reader

This really is looking like a kind of Tet offensive.

I hope it turns out to be at least as much of a tactical debacle for the terrorists as the original was. (Without the subsequent strategic win, brought about by American media.)

When I mentioned Tet earlier I was musing to myself there is hope that the media won't hand the jihadis the win like they did the VC.

546 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:57:46pm

re: #537 IslandLibertarian

The NDTV feed is incredible.
Go India!

Yes, it is, it's what I've been watching.

547 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:57:46pm

re: #541 debutaunt

I had a job applicant who won the funny name contest: Shamseddin Talooey.


okay, you win.
:D

548 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:57:58pm

re: #443 Iron Fist

What was it Obama's good terrorist buddies used to say? It doesn't take a Weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing?

Yep. Should be a big smile on Ayers' face today.

549 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:58:06pm

re: #544 hermit

I just think buzz pwnd your "s"

No S for you!

550 loveguru  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:58:20pm

Basically if you can imagine "war like situations" then here are key points from IBN live...


-> Anti-Terrorism Squad Chief Hemant Karkare killed
-> One Additional Commissioner of Police, two more cops killed
-> Terrorists still holed up at three places, including Oberoi and Taj hotels; encounter in progress, says DGP A N Roy
-> Seven foreigners among 15 taken hostage by two gunmen in Taj Hotel
Firing reported from Hotel Marriott in Colaba
-> Colaba: BP Petrol Pump blown up
-> 10 killed in Colaba attack
-> Taxi blown up in Vile Parle
-> Gun battle outside Metro cinema hall
-> Hotel Oberoi, Hotel Taj under siege
-> RAF considering commando action, may storm hotels
-> Mumbai police say air surveillance ready
-> Local trains suspended
-> Gunfire and grenades, the latest modus operandi of terrorists
-> Roads in Mumbai completely deserted
-> Terrorists still holed up at Nariman House
-> Crowded areas and buildings one behind another, difficult situation for rescue
-> Most Mumbai targets foreigners' favourite hangouts

ehm, excuse me... we can't say it "war on terror"... or ?

551 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:58:35pm

Police running into Taj hotel now.

552 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:58:42pm

re: #549 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No S for you!

Kiss my "s"

553 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:58:52pm

re: #450 Killgore Trout

72 killed

My Dear God.

554 kulhwch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:58:57pm

re: #55 Charles

The terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

"Okay, Abdullah, list says Clark Kent in room 408, Bruce Wayne in room 1210, Hulk Hogan in room 302, David Banner in room 1436, Charles Xavier and students in the Presidential Suite, John Rambo in room 110, and Modesty Blaise in room 422 ... that's the Americans. The British are James Bond in room 1009, a Dr. Who in room 701, Simon Templar in 325, a Dr. Quartermain in 217, an Emma Peale and John Stead in the Continental Suite, and John Bull in 823. Let's go surprize them ... "

}:)     [Oh, wait, did I just say that fantasy out loud?]

555 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:02pm

re: #499 lostlakehiker

No. Not really. If anything, al Qaeda would stay their hand if they have a hand, and wait for the inauguration.

That's assuming that the US and Near East are still the centre of the jihad. Al-Qaeda is no longer welcome in the Near East; it is now a central Asian outfit. Their more pressing enemy is India. (Not Iran. aQ don't like Shi'a either, but they got burned too bad when they hit at them in Iraq.)

aQ has a whole four years to test Obama. I agree with the poster above that this is a Mongol tactic.

556 Rancher  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:02pm

re: #543 Kenneth
I learn so much here, thank you.

557 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:03pm

So realistically, what can really be done other than eliminating several hundred thousand people?

558 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:08pm

They're storming one of the hotels.

559 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:22pm
'Two terrorists shot dead.
Nine terrorist suspects in custody.'

'Terrorists have tried to take control of the city of Mumbai.'
// IBN

560 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:24pm

re: #490 Zimriel

The name Mumbai is connected to Mumbadevi, one of the local goddess deities.

I had no idea that -castra and -chester were etymologically connected. So our gay district in SF could be "The Chester". Learn something new every day on LGF.

561 orfannkyl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:26pm

We need to send our prayers to the people of India and be thankful for all of our blessings. God bless India.

562 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:31pm

re: #540 J.S.

The number of areas hasn't been specified (originally there were 7 areas reported -- from train station to luxury hotels) -- now it's "more" areas -- new places in different parts of the city -- in the northern areas...no actual number given yet...but, it's more than 7...

This won't end in Mumbai. If ISI is in any way connected to these attacks, things will get very interesting in the Subcontinent soon.

563 Buck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 12:59:58pm

re: #515 astronmr20

HIndu extremists have been busy lately as well, and have carried out false flag attacks in the past.

really? False flag attacks?

Link please.

564 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:04pm
An eyewitness on Fox said the terrorists wanted to know about anyone who had British or American passports at the Taj Hotel...

/conceal carry

565 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:05pm

Cops aiming bazookas at the hotel?

566 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:10pm

re: #556 Rancher

Me too.

567 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:11pm

re: #546 reine.de.tout

Yes, it is, it's what I've been watching.

I got it too. Got through the firewall.

568 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:14pm
569 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:28pm

What is Colaba? Seperate city or part of Mumbai?

570 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:33pm

re: #554 kulhwch

"Okay, Abdullah, list says Clark Kent in room 408, Bruce Wayne in room 1210, Hulk Hogan in room 302, David Banner in room 1436, Charles Xavier and students in the Presidential Suite, John Rambo in room 110, and Modesty Blaise in room 422 ... that's the Americans. The British are James Bond in room 1009, a Dr. Who in room 701, Simon Templar in 325, a Dr. Quartermain in 217, an Emma Peale and John Stead in the Continental Suite, and John Bull in 823. Let's go surprize them ... "

}:)     [Oh, wait, did I just say that fantasy out loud?]

No Chuck Norris?

571 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:00:46pm

DOW closed up 244

572 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:02pm

The upper banner they're using on the IBN live streaming says, "Terrorists take over Mumbai."

573 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:17pm

re: #562 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

This won't end in Mumbai. If ISI is in any way connected to these attacks, things will get very interesting in the Subcontinent soon.

More than just interesting, if in fact the ISI in involved. Another India-Pakistan war may be on the horizon.

574 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:18pm

re: #567 midwestgak

I got it too. Got through the firewall.

Did the attach begin at night? What time is it in India?

575 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:19pm

re: #541 debutaunt

I had a job applicant who won the funny name contest: Shamseddin Talooey.

What ever happened to regular American names, like Tallulah Bankhead?...;~)

576 hermit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:27pm

I apologize -- I should not do the funny -- this is a horrible situation and my nerves get me all kerflooey. I'm going to take a smoke break and rejoin later. Keep me well posted Lizards!

577 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:41pm

For those who think they haven't found Hindu terrorism recently

[Link: thestar.com.my...]

The fellow involved with these terror investigations died in the attacks.

Decann Mujahadeen would make it Islamic, unless it was false flag ... as the other Hindu terror attacks were.

578 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:48pm

Blast inside hotel Oberoi

579 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:01:59pm

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

Especially given the popularity of gym memberships there.

Which is why soccons shouldn't be so eager to "convert" gay men to heteroality -- do they really want to be competing for women with buff dudes who know how to shop?

580 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:02:06pm

re: #569 snowcrash

What is Colaba? Seperate city or part of Mumbai?

Colaba consists of 2 islands, and is part of Mumbai.

581 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:02:22pm

Two terrorists shot dead running away from one hotel according to an eyewitness on FNC. Now over 90 dead also.

582 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:02:25pm

re: #550 loveguru

Thanks for the rundown.

ehm, excuse me... we can't say it "war on terror"... or ?

The left only beleive in terrorism when can blame Bush or Cheney.
Why the left are dirt.

583 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:02:48pm

re: #574 midwestgak

Did the attach begin at night? What time is it in India?

The attacks began around 10 pm their time, I believe. It's night time ther.e

584 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:03:29pm

re: #497 FurryOldGuyJeans

Eye-opening, ain't it.

Just amazing.

Now suddenly they want to report reality to some extent.

585 parker in us  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:03:39pm

I bet this is in retaliation for sinking the pirate ship the other day.

586 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:03:54pm

It looks like 10-12 simultaneous planned attacks. I think it's safe to assume an average of 5-7 per cell. So we're looking at 50 terrorists. Maybe as many as 100. It's amazing.

587 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:04:27pm

Army has commenced operations against the terrorists at Hotel Oberoi. Large explosion was heard.

588 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:04:31pm

re: #584 3 wood

Just amazing.

Now suddenly they want to report reality to some extent.

They are probably scrambling trying to find an angle to blame it on Bush or America.

589 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:04:59pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

It looks like 10-12 simultaneous planned attacks. I think it's safe to assume an average of 5-7 per cell. So we're looking at 50 terrorists. Maybe as many as 100. It's amazing.

My money's still on HuJI, I don't care what they are calling themselves for the attack.

590 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:05:09pm

re: #562 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

BBC World News a day or so ago (was it yesterday?) noted that the IMF has granted an emergency multi-billion dollar loan to Pakistan, so as to prevent an imminent total, catastrophic collapse of Pakistan's financial sector...(financially Pakistan is in deep trouble -- among other things)...

591 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:05:13pm

re: #466 Occasional Reader

OK. Demonstrate.

592 Alouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:05:18pm

re: #76 Charles

Sorry, not Ramada Inn ... a Marriott.

Oh crap, I'm staying at a Marriott over Christmas.

In LA.

593 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:05:43pm

Does India have their own idiot Troofers?

594 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:05:51pm

re: #585 parker in us

I think this is because investigations of previous terror plots were coming to a head. They are trying to derail the investigations.

595 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:05:57pm

re: #510 JammieWearingFool

Once they confirm who's responsible, they'll call them activists.

Yep.

Then they will pose of a picture on the Chicago Tribune magazine cover standing on the US flag.

I ain't never gonna forget that.

596 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:06:06pm

IND live feed

Army troops inside Oberai hotel, one explosion there, seven in the Taj.

597 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:06:24pm

re: #575 Salamantis

What ever happened to regular American names, like Tallulah Bankhead?...;~)

Barak Obama

598 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:06:26pm

And people bitch about them crazy Christians.

/'nuff said

599 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:06:26pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

No way in hell the ISI is not involved, and kudo's to the lizard who mentioned the similarities to the VC siege of Saigon during the '68 Tet offensive.

600 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:06:32pm

re: #588 FurryOldGuyJeans

They are probably scrambling trying to find an angle to blame it on Bush or America.

I'm sure MSNBC already is.

601 Basho  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:06:57pm

Firefight between Army commandos and terrorists at Oberi hotel?

602 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:07:01pm

I don't know if this is just ISI or Jaish. Co-ordinated simultaneous attacks are a hallmark of Al Qaeda. They are certain to have terror cells in a Muslim community as numerous as India's. And some ISI elements are in bed with them.

603 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:07:19pm

IBN scrolled 100 tourists "stuck" in Taj hotel. Hotel is on fire.

604 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:07:27pm

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds change in an ugly direction". BARACK OBAMA from The Audacity Of Hope.

605 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:07:27pm

re: #600 3 wood

I'm sure MSNBC already is.

I will never know since I blocked the channel.

606 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:07:32pm

re: #583 reine.de.tout

The attacks began around 10 pm their time, I believe. It's night time ther.e

The subtexts are incredibly OT!

607 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:07:40pm

I'm prepared to get behind Obama and do like some of his choices for his Cabinet, General Jim Jones in particular. But, right now, with what is going on in Mumbai, the idea of a President Obama seems quite ridiculous. I read a post at Huffpo that said "Don't worry, the president elect is coming to take care of it". That was straight mockery. But someone else there said fervently something like come early next year Obama would fix everything.

608 Sergio  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:08:08pm

Hello Lizards, long time no post.

I have a few questions and I know I can count on the truth from you guys.

1. wasn't terrorism supposed to stop once Barack Omessiah was elected? didn't "the terrorists" hate us because of Bush, etc?

2. how come the wires have no problem using the word 'terrorists' in this blast, but are unable to use that word when it happens in Israel or Iraq?

3. the wire stories say the terrorists "may be muslim militants" -- really?!?!

4. the wire stories also say they are singling out Britons and Americans. but, but, we elected obama!

anyway, guess nothing has changed, business as usual, except we've got a young, untested, callow kid in charge now.

609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:08:16pm

How big of a city - area & population - is Mumbai? Can it be compared to any U.S. cities for a frame of reference?

610 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:08:24pm

re: #510 JammieWearingFool

By the way, sorry about the scarcity of submissions to you blog lately.

I've been real busy learning the new gig and tracking the market crash.

611 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:08:31pm

Some video on liveleak.

612 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:08:42pm

The Beeb says that Hindu extremists have been arrested as well. So the Indians haven't yet ruled out the possibility of collusion.

Mind you the Hindu extremists are also the ones most likely to stir up an anti-Muslim pogrom as has happened in Gujarat. So it might just be preventative.

Yeah I'm blowing smoke. All I can do right now...

613 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:09:36pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's a huge city. Maybe not as big as New York or LA but I'd guess it's pretty close.

614 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:09:53pm

re: #607 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I'm prepared to get behind Obama and do like some of his choices for his Cabinet, General Jim Jones in particular. But, right now, with what is going on in Mumbai, the idea of a President Obama seems quite ridiculous. I read a post at Huffpo that said "Don't worry, the president elect is coming to take care of it". That was straight mockery. But someone else there said fervently something like come early next year Obama would fix everything.

Yeah, he'll "bomb them with food." That way, the poor downtrodden Muslims will no longer be hungry and their attacks will stop. I know a moonbat who said this in all seriousness. Scary.

615 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:09:54pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How big of a city - area & population - is Mumbai? Can it be compared to any U.S. cities for a frame of reference?

It's enormous.

616 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:10:18pm

re: #612 Zimriel

imo, it's far, far too early to make claims that Group X is "responsible" -- at this point it's idle speculation...

617 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:10:19pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

It looks like 10-12 simultaneous planned attacks. I think it's safe to assume an average of 5-7 per cell. So we're looking at 50 terrorists. Maybe as many as 100. It's amazing.

Couldn't they have just hired Mark Geragos?

618 Rancher  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:10:31pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

It looks like 10-12 simultaneous planned attacks. I think it's safe to assume an average of 5-7 per cell. So we're looking at 50 terrorists. Maybe as many as 100. It's amazing.


But the impact is magnified x-fold, x being whatever the media wants to make of it.

619 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:10:32pm

re: #542 3 wood

It has to do with the drop in mortgage rates (the bail out is starting to have an effect) and the market was waaaaay oversold.

DOW up 229 now.

Look for a 10% to 20% rise over the next 10 days or so, but then another drop.

Voelker appointment is getting a lot of credit for the rise.

620 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:10:35pm

re: #602 Salamantis

I don't know if this is just ISI or Jaish. Co-ordinated simultaneous attacks are a hallmark of Al Qaeda. They are certain to have terror cells in a Muslim community as numerous as India's. And some ISI elements are in bed with them.

File under no [expletive deleted] Sherlock

/ya think?

621 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:10:59pm

re: #613 Killgore Trout

It's a huge city. Maybe not as big as New York or LA but I'd guess it's pretty close.

Population 12.8 million.

622 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:11:00pm

re: #604 neocon hippie

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds change in an ugly direction". BARACK OBAMA from The Audacity Of Hope.

The MSM never asked him to explain that. To ask him anything unpleasant was of course viewed as racist. To question him now is unpatriotic.
This from the group that considers dissent the highest form of patriotism.
Obama Akbar!

623 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:11:06pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How big of a city - area & population - is Mumbai? Can it be compared to any U.S. cities for a frame of reference?


Mega big.

624 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:11:23pm

I just hope India's antiterrorist cadres have a ready supply of night vision goggles on hand. If not, we should send them some asap.

625 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:11:45pm

The Sisters of Mercy have gotten restive again, huh?

626 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:11:47pm

When it became apparent to Palestinians in the 60's and 70's that they could not effectively conduct terror attacks in Israel, because the IDF had excellent intel and interdiction capability, the terrorists started hitting Israeli targets in Europe-- El Al planes in the air or on the ground, check in counters, etc.

Incidentally, the strategy of multiple simultaneous attacks was pioneered by the PFLP hijackings in September 1970, that led to "Black September."

Deja vu. The Islamists have a hard time reaching us in the US, so they go for the soft targets--our properties and citizens overseas.

Just wondering if this is a goodbye present for Bush or a "welcome" present for Obama. Maybe both. Tactically makes sense to hit us in transition, although I doubt it will make any difference in the response.

Funny how a few months ago we were speculating that Israel might hit Iran during the interval. That now looks very unlikely, but it's the terrorists instead that have taken advantage of the transition.

627 the lizard  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:07pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

about 12-13 million people.

628 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #614 shiplord kirel

Yeah, he'll "bomb them with food." That way, the poor downtrodden Muslims will no longer be hungry and their attacks will stop. I know a moonbat who said this in all seriousness. Scary.

Bomb them with bacon!
/I know, its a waste of bacon...

629 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:13pm

re: #608 Sergio

Hello Lizards, long time no post.

I have a few questions and I know I can count on the truth from you guys.

1. wasn't terrorism supposed to stop once Barack Omessiah was elected? didn't "the terrorists" hate us because of Bush, etc?

2. how come the wires have no problem using the word 'terrorists' in this blast, but are unable to use that word when it happens in Israel or Iraq?

3. the wire stories say the terrorists "may be muslim militants" -- really?!?!

4. the wire stories also say they are singling out Britons and Americans. but, but, we elected obama!

anyway, guess nothing has changed, business as usual, except we've got a young, untested, callow kid in charge now.

# 1 It is a test. . .for a coming test. . .a pretest and Bush is still pres. . .natch!

#2 Because these guys killed people who are not hated across the world. . .killing Jews and Americans is acceptable, remember?

#3 Um yeah, only Jews and Americans are terrorists right away silly!

#4 See number 2

630 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:18pm

re: #621 Occasional Reader

New York is about 19 million.

631 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:34pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

15 million 233 sq miles

632 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:38pm

Someone inside the Taj saying the situation inside the Taj has been resolved?!

/fog of war...

633 notutopia  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:45pm

[Link: greensrealworld.blogspot.com...]
EDUCATORS NIGHTMARE: THE REAL THANKSGIVING STORY

What about the Pilgrim's Thanksgiving?

In a children's book called The First Thanksgiving, the author, Jean Craighead George says, the Pilgrims left Europe "to seek their fortune in the New World."1
That would have come as news to the Pilgrims themselves. Pilgrim leader William Bradford wrote in his diary that the voyage was motivated by "a great hope for advancing the kingdom of Christ."

The Pilgrims set aground at Plymouth Rock on December 11, 1620. Their first winter was devastating. Weakened by the seven-week crossing and the need to establish housing, they came down with pneumonia and consumption. They began to die -- one per day, then two, and sometimes three. They dug the graves at night, so that the Indians would not see how their numbers were dwindling. At one point, there were only seven persons able to fetch wood, make fires, and care for the sick. By the spring, they had lost 46 of the original 102 who sailed on the Mayflower.2

The Pilgrims obviously needed help and it came from an English-speaking member of the Wampanoag nation, Squanto. Squanto decided to stay with the Pilgrims for the next few months and teach them how to survive. He brought them food and skins, taught them how to cultivate new vegetables and how to build Indian-style houses. He educated the Pilgrims on poisonous plants, medicine, how to get sap from the maple trees, use fish for fertilizer, and dozens of other skills needed for their survival.

The harvest of 1621 was a bountiful one and the remaining colonists decided to celebrate with a feast. The author of The First Thanksgiving states, "This was not a day of Pilgrim thanksgiving." Instead, she writes, "This was pure celebration."3 This is the type of subtle statement that often occurs in reading about the Pilgrim's first thanksgiving. It is not based on factual history, however. One can only guess at the motives of people who write such things, but statements like this appear to be motivated by a desire to rob the event of any religious meaning.

It is quite true that the word "thanksgiving" is not used in referring to the feast. Much is made of this by secular authors who attempt to reinterpret the Pilgrim thanksgiving. But the only letter that we have telling us about the first Thanksgiving praises God for the harvest, makes reference to the "goodness of God" in providing for them, and says that the feast was held so that they "might after a special manner rejoice together."4

That sounds like a Thanksgiving feast to me!
: )

634 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:48pm

re: #608 Sergio

Hello Lizards, long time no post.

I have a few questions and I know I can count on the truth from you guys.

1. wasn't terrorism supposed to stop once Barack Omessiah was elected? didn't "the terrorists" hate us because of Bush, etc?

2. how come the wires have no problem using the word 'terrorists' in this blast, but are unable to use that word when it happens in Israel or Iraq?

3. the wire stories say the terrorists "may be muslim militants" -- really?!?!

4. the wire stories also say they are singling out Britons and Americans. but, but, we elected obama!

anyway, guess nothing has changed, business as usual, except we've got a young, untested, callow kid in charge now.

All of your questions are witless snark at this stage. Please crawl back under thy bridge.

635 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:50pm
2 terrorists were supposedly killed at Chowpatty. Metro Cinema is supposed to be the site where Vijay Salaskar was killed. It is indeed sad that people resort to such despicable acts. The blast at Vile Parle was reportedly in a taxi under a flyover. There was also a bomb that went off in a taxi at Dockyard Road. Army commandos have been called in. Apparently there has been a two page warning email that has been sent to the Indian government by the Deccan Mujahideen that such acts will continue unless they are paid heed to.


[Link: kairavparikh.blogspot.com...]

636 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:12:58pm

From the comments at Huffington post... "Then why are they looking for Brits and Americans?" They really are naive fools aren't they?

637 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:11pm

re: #470 hermit

Have I told you lately just how much I love you?

Loved by some, loathed by others; it all goes with the territory.

638 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:17pm

I'm very impressed with the NDTV reporting.
Concise, direct, fact filled, rapid fire.
Not like our MSN's coiffed talking head pretty people news readers.

Go India!

639 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:22pm

re: #624 Salamantis

I just hope India's antiterrorist cadres have a ready supply of night vision goggles on hand. If not, we should send them some asap.

I don't doubt they do. And they have all the technical support staff for them there, anyway. Deploy the Call Centers!

640 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:27pm

re: #623 redstateredneck
Nice link. mega is right!

641 shiplord kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:41pm

It's alarming that Indian troops have already rushed into at least one of the hotels. Indian security training and planning are very good, they wouldn't do this so early unless the situation were really desperate; that is, that hostages were being killed.

642 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:51pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How big of a city - area & population - is Mumbai? Can it be compared to any U.S. cities for a frame of reference?

Mumbai consists of 13,662,885 (13+ million!) people, literally the most populous city in the entire world.

It's 233 square miles, making it roughly the same size as Chicago.

643 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:13:58pm

re: #638 IslandLibertarian

I'm very impressed with the NDTV reporting.
Concise, direct, fact filled, rapid fire.
Not like our MSN's coiffed talking head pretty people news readers.

Go India!

They are extremely liberal usually.

644 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:14:06pm

re: #632 astronmr20

Someone inside the Taj saying the situation inside the Taj has been resolved?!

/fog of war...

Yes, "removed to safety."

645 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:14:40pm

re: #638 IslandLibertarian

I'm very impressed with the NDTV reporting.
Concise, direct, fact filled, rapid fire.
Not like our MSN's coiffed talking head pretty people news readers.

Go India!

Sadly, I can't get the stream to load.

646 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:15:00pm

re: #641 shiplord kirel

I can only imagine the hell those folks are living through.

647 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:15:14pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How big of a city - area & population - is Mumbai? Can it be compared to any U.S. cities for a frame of reference?

re: #642 gmsc

Mumbai consists of 13,662,885 (13+ million!) people, literally the most populous city in the entire world.

It's 233 square miles, making it roughly the same size as Chicago.

Chicago, by comparison, currently has less than 3 million people living in the city proper.

648 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:15:15pm

re: #625 funky chicken

The Sisters of Mercy have gotten restive again, huh?

They have a rivalry with the Daughters of Charity. Kind of like Fatah & Hamass.Both groups are highly dangerous as they both dispense detentions.

649 Basho  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:15:20pm

Gun fire heard from a women's/children's hospital. Pretty brave men the Indians are dealing with...

650 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:15:46pm

Gee, Jack Kemp on Fox waxing poetically about why we haven't been attacked again.

It's pretty simple.

/THEY DON'T WANT TO QUEER THEIR FUNDRAISING!

651 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:15:47pm

re: #634 Zimriel

All of your questions are witless snark at this stage. Please crawl back under thy bridge.

I disagree. . .it is NOT witless to question why "settlers" are not mourned and Kassams are not reported. . .

I will not crawl under any rock

652 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:16:07pm

re: #642 gmsc

According to Wiki it's the fifth largest city in the world in terms of population...also the financial center of India.

653 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:16:13pm

Mumbai population approximately 12 million.

I guess Biden was right about something... Obama will be tested early on. First 6 months? How 'bout first 6 days?

654 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:16:15pm

re: #636 MrPaulRevere

From the comments at Huffington post... "Then why are they looking for Brits and Americans?" They really are naive fools aren't they?

I'm sure there will be no shortage of answers to that at Huffpo along the lines of "Evil Bush's Legacy of Global Hate".

655 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:16:35pm

re: #649 Basho

Gun fire heard from a women's/children's hospital. Pretty brave men the Indians are dealing with...

It reminds me of crazy gunmen who want to rack up max casualties without firepower interference picking gun-free zones in the US.

656 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:16:40pm

They use the word "encounter" a lot. Everything is an encounter.

657 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:17:31pm

re: #630 Killgore Trout

New York is about 19 million.

Metro area. City is 8.

658 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:17:52pm

I'm suddenly incentivized to check out the law about packing heat inter-state while traveling this holiday.

659 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:17:53pm

re: #656 Ay, Caramba

They use the word "encounter" a lot. Everything is an encounter.

Clsoe encounters of the fatal kind

660 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:18:38pm

re: #659 DisturbedEma

Clsoe encounters of the fatal kind

Close. . .sigh

661 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:18:47pm

re: #652 J.S.

According to Wiki it's the fifth largest city in the world in terms of population...also the financial center of India.

Ooops . . . It's the largest in India, but not in the world. I apologize!

662 oldengr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:18:49pm

Re: #316 Eowyn2

you're right. i'm wrong I had me east west left right mixed up. hyderabad is on the east coast.

Actually, Hyderabad is in the interior of the Indian subcontinent, on the Deccan plateau. Perhaps you are thinking of Madras (Chennai) - I keep getting the two mixed up all the time.

Even though India was broken up into two different countries (three if you include Bangladesh), there are still enclaves of Muslims in most of the bigger cities. I just happened to lived in two of those enclaves when I lived in Bombay and Bangalore many, many years ago!

663 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:07pm

So are there in hostages in more than one hotel?

664 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:23pm

9 suspected terrorists in custody - hopefully getting the crap kicked out of them

665 MacDuff  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:42pm

re: #636 MrPaulRevere

From the comments at Huffington post... "Then why are they looking for Brits and Americans?" They really are naive fools aren't they?

Actually they are DANGEROUSLY naive fools. They actually think that all that's needed for the lion to lay down with the lamb is a little Obamian diplomacy.

God help us.

666 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:44pm

CNN and AFP is reporting that it's an Islamic "militant" group -- Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen...

667 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:45pm

re: #619 FurryOldGuyJeans

Voelker appointment is getting a lot of credit for the rise.


By the MSM.

There was a lot of cash sitting in the sidelines that was getting tired yielding noting in the bond market. The dropping mortgage rates and the back up of Citigroup (up 135% today) signaled a turn.

That and again, the market was way oversold.

Look for sharp jump in the market in the next few weeks (MSM will give credit to Obama) followed by another sell off in january (MSM will blame Bush)

668 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:47pm

re: #630 Killgore Trout

New York is about 19 million.

real population of NYC 8.5 million, feels like 19 million....
/

669 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:47pm

Do the Indian antiterror forces have body armor? Considering how many of them are getting killed, it would not seem so...something else we could send them.

670 gearhead  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:19:52pm

re: #649 Basho

Gun fire heard from a women's/children's hospital. Pretty brave men the Indians are dealing with...

If there's an express lane to Hell, they found it.

Keep it up, jihadis. Your ways did you a lot of good in Anbar province, didn't they?

671 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:20:04pm

Mumbai proper is at least 50% bigger than NYC proper but the metro areas are comparable in size.

672 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:20:36pm

re: #565 Killgore Trout

I can kinda see having the "No Prisoners" attitude, but isn't a bazooka a little bit overkill? A semi-automatic .50 Barrett would be a more practical weapon.

673 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:20:37pm

re: #602 Salamantis

I don't know if this is just ISI or Jaish. Co-ordinated simultaneous attacks are a hallmark of Al Qaeda. They are certain to have terror cells in a Muslim community as numerous as India's. And some ISI elements are in bed with them.

I think the ISI has its grubby little fingers in a lot of pots. Pakistan is gonna get even less popular now....we know they are harboring the enemy from Afghanistan, and now they enable something like this...

and, yeah, I think this has Paki fingerprints all over it. I could be a joint operation, but they need support to set up something this big.

674 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:20:47pm

re: #625 funky chicken

The Sisters of Mercy have gotten restive again, huh?

Dominion!

675 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:21:05pm

re: #669 Salamantis

Do the Indian antiterror forces have body armor? Considering how many of them are getting killed, it would not seem so...something else we could send them.

How many? So far I've just read about the one top guy.

676 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:21:35pm

Not finding jack on "Deccan Mujahideen" except reports related to this group. Either they are brand new, which seems unlikely, or they have adopted a name for this attack .

677 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:21:40pm

re: #669 Salamantis

Do the Indian antiterror forces have body armor? Considering how many of them are getting killed, it would not seem so...something else we could send them.

an earlier report I heard on NDTV indicated that they were wearing body armor

678 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:22:00pm

re: #651 DisturbedEma

I disagree. . .it is NOT witless to question why "settlers" are not mourned and Kassams are not reported. . .

I will not crawl under any rock

But it IS witless, and tactless, to say "what about Y!" when bad news is going down for X. Would you like it if I ranted "yeah yeah, so this is bad -but I wanna know, what about India!" on a thread devoted to Israel? I'd probably get -16 and a few reports to Charles if I pulled that shit.

And he gave a lot more snark than just that example.

679 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:22:05pm

re: #652 J.S.

According to Wiki it's the fifth largest city in the world in terms of population...also the financial center of India.

re: #661 gmsc

Ooops . . . It's the largest in India, but not in the world. I apologize!

I take that apology back.

According to Wikipedia's List of cities proper by population, Mumbai is the world's most populous city!

680 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:22:06pm

India's top anti-terrorism chief has been killed...

681 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:22:08pm

CNN correspondent in Mumbai reporting that Jewish/Israeli neighborhoods have also been attacked by terrorists...details unclear...

682 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:22:34pm

re: #675 Occasional Reader

How many? So far I've just read about the one top guy.

Last count I saw was 5...

683 hillbilly geek  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:22:56pm

re: #528 redstateredneck

I once had a job applicant whose name was Velveeta Larshay.

Was she dangerously cheesy?

684 Basho  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:14pm

re: #663 Wishing

So are there in hostages in more than one hotel?

Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotel.

685 turn  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:14pm

re: #666 J.S.

CNN and AFP is reporting that it's an Islamic "militant" group -- Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen...

ROP, no big surprise. I'll be saddened to here it if we lost hostages. Obama I hope you pay close attention to Bush's response to this.

Gotta go, wish we were posting on a brighter note. Time to go walk the black lab along the American (in the rain). Have a great Thanksgiving all.

686 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:24pm

re: #672 Iron Fist

I can kinda see having the "No Prisoners" attitude, but isn't a bazooka a little bit overkill? A semi-automatic .50 Barrett would be a more practical weapon.

I'd think if you have a room in your sights which you have a high degree of certainty is filled with only terrorists, a beehive round through the window would be an excellent choice.

687 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:38pm

re: #677 reine.de.tout

an earlier report I heard on NDTV indicated that they were wearing body armor

In that case, I guess the terrorists are unfortunately taking G. Gordon Liddy's advice concerning headshots for government forces.

688 Sergio  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:40pm

Thanks #629, DisturbedEma.

I guess like the rest of America I'd decided to forget about reality (aka pretend/hope etc.). I'd better go back and reread my posts from 5 years ago.

689 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:42pm

re: #676 Thanos

Not finding jack on "Deccan Mujahideen" except reports related to this group. Either they are brand new, which seems unlikely, or they have adopted a name for this attack .

They adopted a name. If "Islamic Security Force" is their true name, that sounds ominous - at least ISI fanbois even if not funded from Pakistan directly.

690 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:43pm
691 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:52pm

re: #681 transient

CNN correspondent in Mumbai reporting that Jewish/Israeli neighborhoods have also been attacked by terrorists...details unclear...

No . . . no . . . no. Jewish people and Israelis are attacked by "activists" or "representatives of oppressed peoples" that are "youths". They've never been attacked by these "terrorists" of which you speak.

692 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:53pm

re: #679 gmsc

I think it all depends on how you draw up the boundaries -- what's to be included as "Mumbai" -- in India there are those vast sprawling areas surrounding the central hubs...

693 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:23:58pm

gunfire on the 7th and 8th floor of the Trident

694 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:24:05pm

re: #663 Wishing
Seems unclear from listening to IBM, but Oberai Hotel is a definite site of hostages. Commandos there now.

695 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:24:18pm

This attack reveals a level of sophistication and planning not seen since 9-11. On the video feed I see they apparently hijacked a police van and were spraying the crowd. Perhaps they had inside help?

696 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:24:51pm

re: #657 SFGoth

Metro area. City is 8.

It might be closer to 7M. A lot of the poor have been priced out of the city and into the decaying "inner ring" of suburbs.

697 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:24:58pm

re: #679 gmsc

I take that apology back.

According to Wikipedia's List of cities proper by population, Mumbai is the world's most populous city!

I posted that back at 623. Nobody reads my links!
:-(

698 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:25:02pm

Deccan Mujahideen sure sounds like a Hindu terror group.
/////

699 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:25:13pm

re: #304 buzzsawmonkey

As I note in #281 above, though there is not peace between the two, there is no "refugee problem"--even though more Hindus were uprooted from Pakistan, and more Muslims from India, than were displaced by Israel's War of Independence.

I, of course, was making a comparison to the Muslim problem of India in 1948, and the Muslim/Arab problem of the British Mandate as was fully promised to the Jews in 1948.

Overall the point is that a "two State solution" with a terrorist group doesn't work. The example of India/Pakistan should be repeated by every individual actually interested in creating a peace between Israel and the Arabs. We should no longer base our Peace premise on a plan that has already been shown numerous times NOT to work. Yet, the World, including the U.S. continue to attempt the failed policy of "two states". Even if a "two state" solution were to be accomplished, like in India it would do nothing to satisfy the Muslim/Arabs already living in Israel. Just like India/Pakistan, you will simply end up over time with two Muslim states. You notice that (as far as I can tell) there are no Hindu's/Indian's committing atrocious acts of violence, mayhem, and murder in Pakistan. Thus, similarly, this will occur in Israel. Lastly, we should look to what has worked in this context. As "buzzsawmonkey" pointed out, it resolved a "refugee problem". Insofar that this is the only reasonably expected goal of any agreement between the Arabs and Israel, said could be accomplished without the expected problems that would be created by giving full State rights to a Terrorism group, simply by a transfer of populations (like was done with the India/Pakistan conflict) between Egypt & Israel, and Jordan & Israel.

Wrath for P.M.

700 outsidephilly  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:25:32pm

re: #604 neocon hippie

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds change in an ugly direction". BARACK OBAMA from The Audacity Of Hope.


. . . , those words were ignored by the msm in the past, and apparently Obama's words continue to be ignored by the msm with regards to matters such as today's events

701 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:25:52pm

re: #692 J.S.

I think it all depends on how you draw up the boundaries -- what's to be included as "Mumbai" -- in India there are those vast sprawling areas surrounding the central hubs...

That's why I used the "city proper" list:

This is a list of the most populous cities of the World defined according to the concept of city proper. The list ranks the World's urban municipal units (or well-defined statistical groupings of such units) according to population. Note that the populations listed are for the city proper and not for the urban area nor the metropolitan area. It should further be noted that the meaning and role of the political units taken for the purpose of this list to be the "city proper" are not and cannot be wholly consistent due to the differing systems of local government around the World. Statistical definitions for each city, approximate surface area, and population density are also indicated.

702 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:26:13pm

re: #697 redstateredneck

I posted that back at 623. Nobody reads my links!
:-(

My apologies, and an upding for the confusion.

703 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:26:14pm

re: #678 Zimriel

But it IS witless, and tactless, to say "what about Y!" when bad news is going down for X. Would you like it if I ranted "yeah yeah, so this is bad -but I wanna know, what about India!" on a thread devoted to Israel? I'd probably get -16 and a few reports to Charles if I pulled that shit.

And he gave a lot more snark than just that example.

No- it is if we had been treating ALL acts of terror as crimes- As a Jew I would say, with much sympathy and regret, that India was now a member of the worst kind of club.

I saw this post as a statement of parity, not of a dismissal of India's suffering. As a Jew, American, and human being I feel so much sympathy- the post in question seems to point out that if this had been an event in Israel, it woul dnot be that big a deal, and the terminology would be different.

704 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:26:21pm

re: #679 gmsc

Interesting chart. I had no idea Istanbul was quite so large, and I would have thought Tokyo would be closer to the top.

705 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:26:34pm

re: #683 hillbilly geek

Was she dangerously cheesy?

Need to hook her up with Chester Cheetah!

706 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:26:53pm

re: #681 transient

CNN correspondent in Mumbai reporting that Jewish/Israeli neighborhoods have also been attacked by terrorists...details unclear...

Which means that the bickering over whether we should be praying for Israel or India (or the UK) is moot anyway.

Again, Ismail's hand is against every man... my God they are stupid. It's like they have a messianic fantasy about a whole evil world uniting to wipe them out. It's like they don't give a damn about their OWN families if that should happen.

707 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:27:02pm

re: #673 funky chicken

Sounds more plausible than "Hindu Extremists". Pakistan is a very touchy subject. I'm convinced that after 9-11 we told them we wouldn't allow a hostile Mohammedan nation with nuclear weapons to exist, so which way do you want this thing to go?

Bush could have pulled that off post 9-11. He couldn't credibly do that now, thanks to the tireless efforts of the pro-al Qaeda faction in Congress.

And I've seen nothing to indicate that Barrack Obama, in spite of his "invade Pakistan" rhetoric, would do jack shit along these lines. He wouldn't be credible if he did make such a statment, given his performance to date.

708 oldengr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:27:03pm

Re: #669 Salamantis

Do the Indian antiterror forces have body armor? Considering how many of them are getting killed, it would not seem so...something else we could send them.



Believe the news reports say that the NSG has been deployed to the city.


India NSG

709 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:27:43pm

re: #609 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How big of a city - area & population - is Mumbai? Can it be compared to any U.S. cities for a frame of reference?

Mumbai is Bombay - definitely huge.

710 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:27:47pm

re: #681 transient

CNN correspondent in Mumbai reporting that Jewish/Israeli neighborhoods have also been attacked by terrorists...details unclear...

Sigh- details? Like "why?"

711 opinionated  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:27:48pm

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

712 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:28:09pm

re: #701 gmsc

Exactly. And that's why in the Wiki article for Mumbai one reads: "Along with the neighbouring suburbs of Navi Mumbai and Thane, it [Mumbai] forms, at nineteen million, the world's fifth most populous metropolitan area." ...it's dueling definitions...

713 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:28:42pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?


Can you please let him finish his waffle?

714 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:28:50pm

re: #702 gmsc

My apologies, and an upding for the confusion.

Upding accepted!
;-)

715 outsidephilly  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:29:04pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

re: #604 neocon hippie

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds change in an ugly direction". BARACK OBAMA from The Audacity Of Hope.


. . . , those words were ignored by the msm in the past, and apparently Obama's words continue to be ignored by the msm with regards to matters such as today's events

716 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:29:05pm

I wikid Taj Hotel and the hotel and tower is HUGE. Very rough going to clear and secure floor by floor.

717 redmonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:29:15pm

re: #34 Ford_Prefect

I would be specially careful on 1/20/2009. Bustards could do something on this day to make loud statement

718 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:29:16pm

re: #676 Thanos

Mohammedan terrorists (and terrorist organizations) seem to have more aliases than a 150 year old con man. They're worse than the "Peoples' Revolutionary Army" that sprang up all over the world during the Cold War.

719 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:29:22pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

His press secretary, George Clooney, will speak shortly.

720 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:29:27pm

re: #706 Zimriel

Which means that the bickering over whether we should be praying for Israel or India (or the UK) is moot anyway.

Again, Ismail's hand is against every man... my God they are stupid. It's like they have a messianic fantasy about a whole evil world uniting to wipe them out. It's like they don't give a damn about their OWN families if that should happen.

Or the U.S.? It is not bickering- and if 2008 election did not teach anyone how important reporting thing in a biased way nothing will

721 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

The Messiah-King is too busy pontificating why Clinton retreads being rehired for His administration are a good thing.

722 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

Let the U.N. handle it. . .huh?

723 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:23pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

He won't know what to do until Bush makes a comment, then OB will glob onto that because he knows Bush makes sense and knows how to assess a situation and make a decision and then lead.

724 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:42pm

Sounds like a strategic joining of terrorist forces and targets. Name of terrorist organization claiming responsibility may be made up or irrelevant.

Presumed use of "local talent" for attackers-- the Pakistani jihadis are happy to target India (and India will have a hard time not retaliating in some manner). The timing and selection of US and British targets are for the global jihadi fans. A little something for everyone. Message to Pakistani government from the jihadis--we're not going to stand down and we're going to make life even more difficult for you. Message to Obama: clash of civilizations not dead, "bring it on."

725 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:43pm

re: #721 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Messiah-King is too busy pontificating why Clinton retreads being rehired for His administration are a good thing.

Change! (your mind)

726 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:49pm

re: #719 debutaunt

His press secretary, George Clooney, will speak shortly.

I thought it was Sean Penn.

727 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:30:58pm

78 dead confirmed

728 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:31:12pm

re: #717 redmonkey

I would be specially careful on 1/20/2009. Bustards could do something on this day to make loud statement

Especially with the millions that will be attending. What a gory mess that would be.

729 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:31:20pm

re: #704 neocon hippie

Interesting chart. I had no idea Istanbul was quite so large, and I would have thought Tokyo would be closer to the top.

Tokyo cheats itself out of the list. What we think of as Tokyo City is actually a prefecture, albeit a special one, with several cities such as Shinjuku, Shinagawa, Shibuya, etc... all fused together. There is also a Tokyo City proper, which is densely populated, but it's like trying to identify the "soundboard" part of a laptop motherboard to figure it out.

730 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:31:57pm

re: #716 snowcrash

I wikid Taj Hotel and the hotel and tower is HUGE. Very rough going to clear and secure floor by floor.

I think I read that the power had been cut off as a precaution.

731 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:05pm

re: #631 bulwrk

15 million 233 sq miles

it would disappear in the greater LA area.....

732 yochanan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:07pm

today we are indians
[Link: www.mapsofindia.com...]

733 opinionated  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:12pm

Does anyone believe if this had occurred a couple of days before our election, it would have changed anything?

734 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:17pm

re: #723 midwestgak

He won't know what to do until Bush makes a comment, then OB will glob onto that because he knows Bush makes sense and knows how to assess a situation and make a decision and then lead.

Considering the recent stories on "the lamest duck" and "step down now" it woul dbe interesting if he would be willing to FINALLY make a statement. . .sans prompt!

735 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:17pm

Commandos have entered the hotel from the ground floor and from the top floor, moving in both directions to capture the terrorists.

736 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:22pm

re: #698 FurryOldGuyJeans

Deccan Mujahideen sure sounds like a Hindu terror group.
/////

They may be pissed-off record moguls.

737 gearhead  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:32pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

The inner circle of 300 is still voting on a position.

738 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:35pm

Cowards.

739 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:37pm

re: #727 Crimsonfisted

78 dead confirmed

RIP, so sad.

740 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:40pm

re: #723 midwestgak

He won't know what to do until Bush makes a comment, then OB will glob onto that because he knows Bush makes sense and knows how to assess a situation and make a decision and then lead.

Bush has already released at least two statements while all the word from Our Messiah-King is why rehiring Clinton retreads is good and announcing Paul Volcker has signed on.

741 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:55pm

re: #738 MilkOfMalfeasance

Cowards.

Totally

742 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:32:58pm

re: #726 Ay, Caramba

I don't think that is fair. I was no fan of Obama before the election, and am very sceptical now, but his choices for cabinet positions, although not what Conservatives might have wanted, have been very reasonable. They are not the crazy, looney, Leftist moonbats I would have expected.

You don't have to like the guy, but you should at least deal in reality...and the reality is that he hasn't picked a "George Clooney" or "Sean Penn" yet!

743 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:33:23pm

re: #718 Iron Fist

Mohammedan terrorists (and terrorist organizations) seem to have more aliases than a 150 year old con man. They're worse than the "Peoples' Revolutionary Army" that sprang up all over the world during the Cold War.

The thing is that they change their masks according to the ball they are at right now... this large an event takes coordination, and a lot of logistics. LeT and HuJI are going to be involved somehow if it's Islamic, right now smart money says it is.

744 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:33:26pm

Have the Indians asked what did they do to make these people hate them?

///moonbat thinking

745 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:33:38pm

re: #686 Occasional Reader


The problem is in sorting out the wheat from the chaff, as it were. With a Barrett a qualified sniper can be guaranteed "one shot, one kill" with enough precision to cut the terrorists apart without doing any more than splashing the terrorists' blood on the hostages.

That might suck, but I'd say they'll get over that a long time before they'll get over "dead".

746 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:33:44pm

re: #706 Zimriel

Which means that the bickering over whether we should be praying for Israel or India (or the UK) is moot anyway.

Again, Ismail's hand is against every man... my God they are stupid. It's like they have a messianic fantasy about a whole evil world uniting to wipe them out. It's like they don't give a damn about their OWN families if that should happen.

If they keep attacking everyone who is NOT them, they may make that fantasy a self-fulfilling prophetic reality.

747 father_of_10  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:33:57pm

Obama and Co. coming into power will be like watching a girl's little league team going to MCRD San Diego. There's gonna be some tears, resignations, injuries, humiliations and overall ineffectiveness. But, it will be someone else's fault.

748 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:01pm

re: #735 Kenneth

Commandos have entered the hotel from the ground floor and from the top floor, moving in both directions to capture the terrorists.

Capture? What is ROE there? Anyone know?

749 zenren  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:02pm

CNN: Reports that the terrorists had police uniforms and police vans. (No linky)

750 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:04pm

re: #735 Kenneth

Commandos have entered the hotel from the ground floor and from the top floor, moving in both directions to capture the terrorists.

Dauntless courage.

They go in knowing that these shits could be wired to blow themselves up.

751 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:05pm
752 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:09pm

re: #686 Occasional Reader

I'd think if you have a room in your sights which you have a high degree of certainty is filled with only terrorists, a beehive round through the window would be an excellent choice.

too much spread...... HE or WP.

(i vote for WP. %-)

753 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:52pm

re: #742 WrathofG-d

I don't think that is fair. I was no fan of Obama before the election, and am very sceptical now, but his choices for cabinet positions, although not what Conservatives might have wanted, have been very reasonable. They are not the crazy, looney, Leftist moonbats I would have expected.

You don't have to like the guy, but you should at least deal in reality...and the reality is that he hasn't picked a "George Clooney" or "Sean Penn" yet!

Hillary Clinton is the Hollywood pick for me

754 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:34:58pm

re: #744 Kenneth

Everyone knows it was their illegal invasion of Iraq, their torture of innocent prisoners since their invasion of Iraq, their support for Israel, their imperialist behavior over the last 100 years, and their propping up of Anti-Muslim regimes in Saudi Arabia.

755 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:35:01pm

This is a new level of sophistication...

756 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:35:29pm

re: #712 J.S.

Exactly. And that's why in the Wiki article for Mumbai one reads: "Along with the neighbouring suburbs of Navi Mumbai and Thane, it [Mumbai] forms, at nineteen million, the world's fifth most populous metropolitan area." ...it's dueling definitions...

Oh, you're talking about metropolitan areas. I was thinking of the city itself.

The city of Mumbai is the most populous city in the world. The metropolitan area of Mumbai is the fifth most populous metropolitan area in the world. There's no conflict between those two facts, they just have different focus.

I hadn't heard that the entire metropolitan area had been attacked. I thought it was just the city of Mumbai, so that's where my focus and context was.

757 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:35:43pm

Send in our Marines. Can't be that long of a flight from Diego Garcia.

758 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:35:47pm

O is probably writing the U.S. apology to the world.

759 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:35:54pm

re: #751 buzzsawmonkey

They didn't curry favor.

ghee-whiz, this is not the time for puns!

760 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:09pm

15 policemen dead..this SO pisses me off!

761 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:28pm

re: #748 DisturbedEma

Oh, I have no idea. I typed the word capture by habit. They are more likely to shoot to kill.

762 MacDuff  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:29pm

re: #711 opinionated

Has Obama come out yet to urge "restraint"?

He should employ the full power of the "Office of the President Elect" toward a resolution to this crisis!

763 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:37pm

re: #746 Salamantis

If they keep attacking everyone who is NOT them, they may make that fantasy a self-fulfilling prophetic reality.

The 12 Imam. Hasten the end of the world to bring about his return.

764 opinionated  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:54pm

re: #744 Kenneth

Have the Indians asked what did they do to make these people hate them?

They shared their turkey's with the Pilgrim Crusaders.


Oh, never mind

765 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:58pm
766 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:36:58pm

re: #748 DisturbedEma

Capture? What is ROE there? Anyone know?

Dead terrorists would be my guess.

767 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:00pm

re: #755 astronmr20

This is a new level of sophistication...

That's what I keep hearing. How is that conclusion being made?

768 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:06pm

When something like this happens in San Francisco or Las Vegas, etc., will the moonbats finally awaken from their embryonic larval state?

769 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:08pm

re: #744 Kenneth

At least I haven't heard any press reports (yet) about the "cycle of violence."

770 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:18pm

This does look like Muslim terror. Obama is safely elected & the Jihad fires up again. No turned over apple carts while the One was running.
There is a solution ,of sorts at least. Black Jack Pershing understood the nature of Islamic violence & what they really valued with the Huk uprising in the Phillipines.
He had a group executed & buried upside down with a strip of bacon in their mouths. Ya don't get to Allah that way. He let one free to go back & tell the others. Problem solved.

771 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:19pm

re: #768 Shug

no.

772 oldengr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:22pm

Re #681 transient

CNN correspondent in Mumbai reporting that Jewish/Israeli neighborhoods have also been attacked by terrorists...details unclear...

From the NSG website:

"Some NSG personnel have received additional training in Israel and use weapons like the famed 9mm Uzi sub-machine gun . . ."

Ironic if the NSG take out the terrorists!

773 whitehatguy[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:24pm
774 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:25pm

re: #757 MilkOfMalfeasance

Send in our Marines. Can't be that long of a flight from Diego Garcia.

actually, it is, and there isn't a Marine element stationed there, last time i looked. nearest Marines are in the 'Stan.

775 yochanan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:26pm

charles maybe you could put up a Indian flag on LGF mast head.

[Link: www.mapsofindia.com...]

776 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:28pm

re: #751 buzzsawmonkey

They didn't curry favor.

WHACK!
Where's Mandy?

777 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:31pm

look how they have singled out the infidel americans and brits.
they are waiting for the chance to do something like that here.
we are the target rich location for these scum.
they are savages. the scourge of the earth.
the O will be tested.

778 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:35pm

re: #757 MilkOfMalfeasance

I'd say it was a job for the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team except for the fact that I don't think HRT's ever really been used to rescue hostages.

779 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:41pm

re: #749 zenren

Who has the resources to penetrate a police/security force? Only a rival service. The ISI should be decapitated, metaphorically speaking of course.

780 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:37:41pm
781 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:05pm

re: #742 WrathofG-d

I don't think that is fair. I was no fan of Obama before the election, and am very sceptical now, but his choices for cabinet positions, although not what Conservatives might have wanted, have been very reasonable. They are not the crazy, looney, Leftist moonbats I would have expected.

You don't have to like the guy, but you should at least deal in reality...and the reality is that he hasn't picked a "George Clooney" or "Sean Penn" yet!

I agree. I can feel Team Fag building up to an almighty tantrum.

782 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:05pm

re: #753 DisturbedEma

You don't have to like Hillary Clinton (there are many reasons not to), but as I see it, the choice could have been much, much, worse! She is liberal, not the Leftist-socialist-Moonbat we probably all would have expected.

Besides when it comes to State Dept, she is actually exactly whom one would want. The world likes her. Its a popularity position, and she and her husband are very popular around the world (I usually don't give a rat's about what the World likes, but when it comes to the State Department, it is paramount)

783 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:08pm

re: #719 debutaunt

His press secretary, George Clooney, will speak shortly.

re: #726 Ay, Caramba

I thought it was Sean Penn.

I think it's Sean Penn.

George Clooney like to speak out against blacklisting a lot, but it's kind of tough for him to talk about these days without someone bringing up either modern-day anti-conservative Hollywood blacklists or the Prop. 8 activists.

784 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:09pm

re: #761 Kenneth

Oh, I have no idea. I typed the word capture by habit. They are more likely to shoot to kill.

I bet you are right- ROE for the USAF and IDF? Very different when civilians are involved, are there hostages?

785 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:10pm

re: #733 opinionated

Does anyone believe if this had occurred a couple of days before our election, it would have changed anything?

It would not have been covered.

786 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:22pm

re: #768 Shug

When something like this happens in San Francisco or Las Vegas, etc., will the moonbats finally awaken from their embryonic larval state?

Get real.

787 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:42pm

re: #768 Shug

When something like this happens in San Francisco or Las Vegas, etc., will the moonbats finally awaken from their embryonic larval state?

No.

Next question?

788 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:45pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Sounds like Bush and his cronies are behind this.
Being a lame duck sucks.

Um, fuck you.

789 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:47pm

Prayer to St. Michael
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all other evil spirits who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen

790 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:47pm

re: #774 redc1c4

Doh. We usually have a contingent at our Embassies don't we? Watching the CNN feed, I don't have a lot of faith in the Indian Police/Military response.

791 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:38:56pm

now reporting 900! injured

792 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:15pm

9 terrorists arrested, 2 dead.

793 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:18pm

Goin' home to peel sweet taters. Y'all have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

794 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:26pm

re: #776 redstateredneck

WHACK!
Where's Mandy?

is she going to make him sari he typed that?

/white smoke

795 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:34pm

re: #777 nyc redneck

look how they have singled out the infidel americans and brits.
they are waiting for the chance to do something like that here.
we are the target rich location for these scum.
they are savages. the scourge of the earth.
the O will be tested.

Interesting this happened on the same day that that news was released about a terror threat against the NY train system.

What's scary is . . . what is it that we don't know

796 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:41pm

re: #791 Kenneth

now reporting 900! injured

Oh lord...

797 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:53pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

WTH?!

798 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:56pm

Per CNN, terrorists in Oberoi hotel were throwing hand grenades in the hotel, that is why the counterterrorist units went in immediately.

No choice.

Brave men.

799 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:39:56pm

re: #751 buzzsawmonkey

They didn't curry favor.

re: #763 redstateredneck

The 12 Imam. Hasten the end of the world to bring about his return.

aQ don't believe in the Twelver line of Imams. They do believe in a Mahdi.

800 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:00pm

re: #768 Shug

When something like this happens in San Francisco or Las Vegas, etc., will the moonbats finally awaken from their embryonic larval state?

Why would terrorists attack large bases of their supporters (including those who support them financially)?

801 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:00pm

re: #785 haakondahl

BINNNNGGGGG

802 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:04pm

re: #772 oldengr

I like an Uzi, but they fire from an open bolt. That negatively impacts the kind of precision shooting that hostage rescue demands. H&K MP-5s are (or at least used to be) the gold standard for that role.

803 redstateredneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:17pm

re: #794 redc1c4

is she going to make him sari he typed that?

/white smoke


WHACK! for you, too!

804 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:18pm

OT:

Ok, just who is this Kiernan character that seems to be fixated on the down ding button? I've been around for awhile and have never conversed with him/her to garner an opinion on this poster. Anyone?

805 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:19pm

re: #747 father_of_10

Obama and Co. coming into power will be like watching a girl's little league team going to MCRD San Diego. There's gonna be some tears, resignations, injuries, humiliations and overall ineffectiveness. But, it will be someone else's fault.

And the MSM will worship him and protect him every step of the way.

806 bulwrk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:25pm

re: #767 midwestgak

Coordination and sophistication are not the same thing,if their objective is just to create as much carnage and mayhem as possible before being killed thats not what I would classify as sophisticated.

807 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:29pm

re: #784 DisturbedEma

I bet you are right- ROE for the USAF and IDF? Very different when civilians are involved, are there hostages?

I think once they make the decision to go in, the rules are the same pretty much everywhere; kill every terrorist in sight. If you see someone who looks like a shot terrorist, shoot him again, just to be sure (I'm not kidding).

808 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:32pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Oooh, a sock-puppet needs a'whackin'.

809 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:37pm

re: #755 astronmr20

This is a new level of sophistication...

Speaking from Afghanistan, I find it a disturbing one.

810 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:41pm

re: #789 Catttt

Prayer to St. Michael
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all other evil spirits who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen

Amen. Thanks for the post.

811 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:54pm

re: #775 yochanan

charles maybe you could put up a Indian flag on LGF mast head.

[Link: www.mapsofindia.com...]

Seconded.

812 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:40:57pm

re: #797 Fat Jolly Penguin

WTH?!


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813 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:00pm

re: #757 MilkOfMalfeasance

No--the Indian military can handle it as well as we could. India has resisted becoming a weak sister like most of Europe. They have their own large, capable military. We absolutely should respect that accomplishment, especially in comparison to their former rulers in Great Britain.

814 opinionated  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:09pm

Why is this news? Lets get back to important stuff.

I believe a "Palestinian" was delayed three minutes today at an Israeli checkpoint.

815 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:14pm

re: #782 WrathofG-d

You don't have to like Hillary Clinton (there are many reasons not to), but as I see it, the choice could have been much, much, worse! She is liberal, not the Leftist-socialist-Moonbat we probably all would have expected.

Besides when it comes to State Dept, she is actually exactly whom one would want. The world likes her. Its a popularity position, and she and her husband are very popular around the world (I usually don't give a rat's about what the World likes, but when it comes to the State Department, it is paramount)

You are entitled to your opinion- but I do not look at each choice as 'it could have been worse" I expect better! I am an American.

I am a MEAN mamba jamma! :)

816 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:18pm

re: #772 oldengr

Re #681 transient

From the NSG website:

"Some NSG personnel have received additional training in Israel and use weapons like the famed 9mm Uzi sub-machine gun . . ."

Ironic if the NSG take out the terrorists!

Why would that be ironic? Taking out terrorists is what NSG is supposed to do.

817 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:20pm

re: #782 WrathofG-d

Remember Ann Coulter said Hillary was less liberal than McCain and would campaing for her against him should she be the nominee.

818 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:51pm

re: #586 Killgore Trout

It looks like 10-12 simultaneous planned attacks. I think it's safe to assume an average of 5-7 per cell. So we're looking at 50 terrorists. Maybe as many as 100. It's amazing.

Not really. In 1991 the census shows 12(ish) million people. How hard would it be to find 100 people to be terrorists? How many gang members are there in NYC? I'll put five bucks up that even Denver has over 100 gang members.

819 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:41:53pm

re: #775 yochanan

charles maybe you could put up a Indian flag on LGF mast head.

[Link: www.mapsofindia.com...]

Seconded.

820 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:02pm

re: #791 Kenneth

now reporting 900! injured

This is India's 9/11.

I am... concerned about the public reaction there.

821 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:13pm

re: #790 MilkOfMalfeasance

Doh. We usually have a contingent at our Embassies don't we? Watching the CNN feed, I don't have a lot of faith in the Indian Police/Military response.

yes, but A: they're not trained/equipped for the mission and B: do you *really* want to pull the dedicated US defenders of the Embassy?

there's also the sovereignty issue for India, and the lack of a SOFA for us.

best choice would be, if the issues above were moot would be the nearest SOC qualed MEU, where ever they might be, assuming Marines were the best choice to begin with.

822 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:14pm

re: #788 VegasRick

Um, fuck you.

If there is no sarc? I concur!

823 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:14pm
824 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:18pm

re: #789 Catttt
Wonder if Hindus have specific Deity's for various occupations.

825 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:19pm
826 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:22pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Sounds like Bush and his cronies are behind this.
Being a lame duck sucks.

Are you a troofer or someone who forgot to use his sarc tag?

827 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:35pm

re: #812 reine.de.tout

Looks like we have a trolling sock-puppet just beggin' fer a whackin'.

828 loveguru  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:39pm

re: #777 nyc redneck

well British are just infamous due to Big historic British empire.... but they are against anyone who do not surrender next to supremacism.... which counts american, indians, Israeli... and Brtish in a sense of what they describe as 'crimes of past'

829 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:42:55pm

re: #813 funky chicken

I stand corrected. That is good to hear. I was aware of the purchases their MoD has been making the last few years, I just didn't know if the training was keeping up with the tech.

830 kcladderman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:00pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Sounds like Bush and his cronies are behind this.
Being a lame duck sucks.

I hope you meant that to be sarcasm.

831 Kenneth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:02pm

re: #807 Occasional Reader

Double tap for safety.

832 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:21pm

re: #814 opinionated

Why is this news? Lets get back to important stuff.

I believe a "Palestinian" was delayed three minutes today at an Israeli checkpoint.

How oppressive.

833 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:24pm

re: #794 redc1c4

is she going to make him sari he typed that?

/white smoke

That is sarong!

834 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:24pm

re: #795 reine.de.tout

Interesting this happened on the same day that that news was released about a terror threat against the NY train system.

What's scary is . . . what is it that we don't know

reine - here's something odd. My mootbat coworker made the same observation. Think he's coming around? /

835 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:25pm

re: #819 haakondahl

Seconded.

Thirded.

Nos sommes tous indiens.

836 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:39pm
837 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:47pm

re: #818 Eowyn2

Don't MS 13 have some rediculously number of members? Over ten thousand, IIRC. There's sure a lot of them.

838 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:52pm

re: #812 reine.de.tout

Saw that. There was a similar one at the end of the last thread, too:

re: #434 Lib Wingnut

After the past eight years of semantic violence from the office of President, should we be commenting AT ALL about the articulateness of ANY politician? McCain could hardly breathe without a TelePrompTer. Palin makes Bush look like an idiot, and she's not what anyone would confuse with being a smooth public speaker. Doesn't SHE even say "nu-q-lur" correctly?

Obama overspeaks. That's his problem.

839 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:53pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

This is India's 9/11.

I am... concerned about the public reaction there.

Think there are any Indian Troofers - "Loose Rupees" - busy printing up "11/26 Was An Inside Job" bumper stickers?

840 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:56pm

re: #835 Occasional Reader

Thirded.

Nos sommes tous indiens.

Nos = Nous

Dang, so much for my plum job at Le Monde.

841 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:43:58pm

re: #623 redstateredneck

4.5 million MORE than NYC.

842 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:44:07pm

re: #812 reine.de.tout

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843 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:44:09pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

This is India's 9/11.

I am... concerned about the public reaction there.

I am listening to the feed and one eyewitness said he was worried about the WORLD'S reaction. I found that strange. America is in solidarity, we know how this feels.

844 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:44:46pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

This is India's 9/11.

I am... concerned about the public reaction there.

Yeah...I expect machete-wielding Hindu mobs to massacre entire mosque populations over this. It's happened before, over much less.

845 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:45:00pm

re: #767 midwestgak

That's what I keep hearing. How is that conclusion being made?

I have watched a lot of terror attacks in india over the past few years. This is more sophisticated in many ways;

Police vans, police uniforms, execution of the top terrorism cop, hostages, several teams of terrorists coordinated together, number of targets, timing, etc etc etc

846 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:45:20pm

re: #821 redc1c4

I guess I'm really just running through scenarios, I know that its no where near an option to send in any of our personnel. I'm just proud of our Men and Women, and I know that they would be effective in any situation. Maybe I should keep my brainstorming to myself.

847 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:45:49pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

It may get real unfortunate to be a Mohammedan in India after this. It's not like there's been any love lost between the Mohammedans and the Hindus in, like, the last 1500 years.

848 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:45:50pm

re: #802 Iron Fist

I like an Uzi, but they fire from an open bolt. That negatively impacts the kind of precision shooting that hostage rescue demands. H&K MP-5s are (or at least used to be) the gold standard for that role.

I've only once had the pleasure of firing an MP5. Truly a remarkable SMG. Nevertheless, I think Western antiterrorist forces have moved toward M4s and similar carbines, due to more prevalent body armor among the baddies.

849 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:45:52pm

re: #823 ploome hineni

is that a yes?

Neither.

850 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:46:18pm
851 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:46:23pm

re: #831 Kenneth

Double tap for safety.

Double-tap so they don't sue you in the DC Circuit Court. You'll wind up like Ramos and Compean.

852 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:46:27pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Sounds like Bush and his cronies are behind this.
Being a lame duck sucks.

Go piss up a rope.
Talk a long walk off a short pier.
Thou crusty botch of nature!
Troilus and Cressida

853 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:46:46pm

re: #747 father_of_10

Obama and Co. coming into power will be like watching a girl's little league team going to MCRD San Diego. There's gonna be some tears, resignations, injuries, humiliations and overall ineffectiveness. But, it will be someone else's fault.

MCRD? Seems that we must have a shared experience. I was at a buisiness conference in San Diego a few years back.
When we took off, the pilot banked right over the grinder.
I looked down & got that old feeling, if ya get my drift.

854 Sergio  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:12pm

photos: [Link: flickr.com...]

homeland security twitter page: [Link: twitter.com...]
(note that it is being watched by NPR - plotting how to spin this, no doubt)

live IBN videostream: [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

855 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:13pm

re: #843 Crimsonfisted

I am listening to the feed and one eyewitness said he was worried about the WORLD'S reaction. I found that strange. America is in solidarity, we know how this feels.

But- America is now apparently "torturing" and "strafing" innocent terror cells. . .the attacks of 9-11 are now seen as unpleasant to discuss, and the "cause" for the "lies" and the "soldiers deaths"

Many have forgotten the horror of the day. . .and worse, have started blaming the victims. . .

856 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:14pm

re: #836 ploome hineni

why?

Possibility of large-scale rioting.

I recall an Indian journalist speculating in the op ed page of either NYT or WSJ back in late 2001 about what would have happened in India if 9/11 had happened there. Something like, "thousands dead in the subsequent riots".

857 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:33pm

D'oh! About to lose the battery on my innernut connection. Good Night!

858 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:34pm

Fire spreading at the Taj, can be seen coming out of the roof, more gunshots

859 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:38pm

The NDTV coverage is amazing. Big firefight going on.

860 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:43pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

This is India's 9/11.

I am... concerned about the public reaction there.

Actually I heard on my way home that India has had over 2000 deaths this year from assorted terrorist attacks so unfortunately they are rather used to this, although, this one is more dramatic and since it was apparently target against westerners, will garner more attention. But all I could think is what a bunch of animals. And the WAR goes on.

861 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:47:59pm

re: #775 yochanan

charles maybe you could put up a Indian flag on LGF mast head.

Perhaps at half mast.

862 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:48:01pm

re: #820 Occasional Reader

This is India's 9/11.

I am... concerned about the public reaction there.

It will be massive. There will be some major fighting in every city in India by the weekend.

this is a country that, without phones, co-ordinated the rebellion of 1857. That was exceedingly bloody. This will be too.

863 MacDuff  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:48:18pm

re: #733 opinionated

Does anyone believe if this had occurred a couple of days before our election, it would have changed anything?

Nah, the fix was in from the beginning. From Chris Matthews leg tingles sprung a full-blown media arousal and there was simply no way that they would allow anything but Obama's election.

864 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:48:18pm

re: #762 MacDuff

He should employ the full power of the "Office of the soon-to-be- President Elect" toward a resolution to this crisis!

865 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:48:27pm

re: #844 Salamantis

Yeah...I expect machete-wielding Hindu mobs to massacre entire mosque populations over this. It's happened before, over much less.

Civil religious warfare- like Rwanda's Tutsis and Hutus shudder

866 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:48:30pm

All I can do is offer prayers for the innocent and sympathy for those who are grieving.

867 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:48:44pm

re: #859 Killgore Trout

The NDTV coverage is amazing. Big firefight going on.

do you have a link?
I'm watching the IBNlive link

868 midwestgak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:00pm

re: #845 astronmr20

Okay, thanks for the info

869 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:02pm

re: #864 debutaunt

Yea, after he changes his tampon.

was that mean?

870 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:06pm

Taj hotel on fire bigtime.

871 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:09pm

re: #851 haakondahl

Double-tap so they don't sue you in the DC Circuit Court. You'll wind up like Ramos and Compean.

By the way, O/T,

Why the FUCK hasn't Bush pardoned these two? ? ? ?

872 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:09pm

re: #866 Oh no...Sand People!

All I can do is offer prayers for the innocent and sympathy for those who are grieving.

ditto

873 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:17pm

re: #846 MilkOfMalfeasance

I guess I'm really just running through scenarios, I know that its no where near an option to send in any of our personnel. I'm just proud of our Men and Women, and I know that they would be effective in any situation. Maybe I should keep my brainstorming to myself.

no worries on my end.... the only way to improve a plan is to shoot holes in it.

amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics.

874 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:18pm

The gunshots are getting worse at the Taj, lots of smoke out of the dome, cops are asking people to move back.

875 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:32pm

re: #831 Kenneth

Double tap for safety.

I've studied a fair amount the extraordinarly well-done hostage rescue at the Japanese ambassador's residence in Lima in 1997. Forget double-taps; the terrorist bodies came out of there RIDDLED with bullest. The commandos had been trained that, "every time you see a terrorist body, shoot it again". Good advice.

876 haakondahl  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:33pm

re: #848 Occasional Reader

I've only once had the pleasure of firing an MP5. Truly a remarkable SMG. Nevertheless, I think Western antiterrorist forces have moved toward M4s and similar carbines, due to more prevalent body armor among the baddies.

I guess the M4 is to get the guy to turn around so you can punch him in the face.

877 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:38pm

Heavy battle at the Taj Hotel right now.

878 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:42pm

re: #869 Ay, Caramba

Yea, after he changes his tampon.

was that mean?

gross for sure

879 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:42pm
880 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:44pm

re: #831 Kenneth

Double tap for safety.


If he's already down, one in the head is sufficient for insurance.
Save the bullet for the next bastard.

881 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:51pm

Why is this broad on FOX trying to minimize that this is Muslim terrorism? For G-Ds sake this ain't Jewish or Christian fanatics? And it never is!

882 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:49:55pm

re: #859 Killgore Trout

The NDTV coverage is amazing. Big firefight going on.

I can't stop watching.

883 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:04pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Sounds like Bush and his cronies are behind this.
Being a lame duck sucks.

You are being facetious?

884 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:06pm

re: #772 oldengr


what is NSG?

885 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:11pm

re: #866 Oh no...Sand People!

All I can do is offer prayers for the innocent and sympathy for those who are grieving.

And wish expeditious death on the perpetrators.

886 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:12pm

re: #874 Crimsonfisted

The gunshots are getting worse at the Taj, lots of smoke out of the dome, cops are asking people to move back.

G-d help them, please!

887 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:14pm

The crime is non-Muslim life and the sentence is death.

It is beyond outrageous that these attacks take place. It is beyond unacceptable that anyone can support the perpetrators of these crimes and be permited to live in western society.

Iran allows al Qaeda leaders to live in their midst, if I were India's PM I would demand Iran hand over Saad Bin Laden or be nuked. If they do hand him over, execute him on national TV. I would tell Pakistan to clean out Western Pakistan by whatever means it takes. India should offer to send 300,000 troops to clean out the western tribal areas with a promise to leave or India will just nuke the place and solve the problem for them.

These attacks can and will destroy free societies. When you are afraid to walk the streets of your own home town, you are no longer free, you are no longer safe, you really are no longer truly alive. When you live at the sufferance of the good behavior of evil, nihilist murderers, part of you is always afraid.

People have the right to live and be free of this scourge. The only way to stop it is to do what Bush should have done, destroy terror in every manifestation wherever it dares to show its face. People do not think of Pakistan and Somalia in the same thought, they should, they are destitute failed states where the rule of law does not exist. Just as 911 grew from the collapsed Afghan nation, today's attack stems from lawless Pakistan.

When you let human gangrene fester, limbs and lives are lost.

In our anger, we must remember the victims; they did nothing wrong and our thoughts and prayers are with them.

This was dastardly evil and its source must be crushed.

888 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:16pm

re: #867 Shug

NDTV. Click on live tv. It takes a while to get the live stream to work.

889 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:47pm

re: #841 Eowyn2

4.5 million MORE than NYC.

Concerning the CITY of Mumbai (not the entire metropolitan area), it's only 3/4 the size of New York City(again, not the entire metropolitan area, just the city), but with 2/3 more people!

Another way to think of the city of Mumbai is to picture the city of Chicago (again, not the entire metropolitan area, just the city), which is about the same size, with 4 times the population density.

890 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:50:49pm

re: #873 redc1c4

Good advice. Thanks Red.

891 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:06pm

re: #690 buzzsawmonkey

GMTA, ya beat me to it! I guess it is someone that is afraid to post due to rejection of his/her positions. "Down dinging is like power, man!"

/it takes all kinds to fill the freeways

892 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:14pm

re: #867 Shug

do you have a link?
I'm watching the IBNlive link

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Click on "watch live"

893 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:27pm

That hotel's going to burn to the ground.

894 talon_262  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:28pm

re: #773 whitehatguy

Were you born a douche or did you have to work at it?

895 Iron Fist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:31pm

re: #848 Occasional Reader

I think you are right, any rifle round is going to overpenetrate if the target isn't wearing body armor. I've heard that H&K made some MP-5's in 10mm for the FBI. I don't know the quantity or if they are still in service. An MP-5 is the best little machinegun out there. I've gotten to shoot a couple of them. As a matter of fact, the locall indoor range has one that you can rent after you've had so many days on their range. I'm going to introduce the Girlfriend to it, probably before the Messiah takes office.

896 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:50pm

re: #893 Killgore Trout

That hotel's going to burn to the ground.

Which one the TAj?

897 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:50pm

re: #883 opnion

You are being facetious?

He's an asshole, screw him.

898 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:51:59pm

re: #894 talon_262

Were you born a douche or did you have to work at it?

He WAS born on a Summer's Eve. . .hmmmm

899 oldengr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:52:00pm

Re #744 Kenneth

Have the Indians asked what did they do to make these people hate them?
///moonbat thinking

I can remember Hindus and Muslims fighting with knives and sticks in the streets of Bombay in the 50's and 60's. Lived on the third floor and had a front row seat to some of those encounters. There were some Christians-Muslim confrontations too so this kind of conflict is nothing new. I am so glad I live in the States now!

900 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:52:06pm

Fire spreading very fast.

901 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:52:12pm

re: #782 WrathofG-d

You don't have to like Hillary Clinton (there are many reasons not to), but as I see it, the c