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Raw Video of Mumbai Attacks

World | Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:51:32 pm PST

Just in via Reuters video, some raw footage from an Indian source:

Reuters Video

UPDATE at 11/26/08 1:54:37 pm:

Just reported on CNN: a massive explosion at the Taj Hotel...

UPDATE at 11/26/08 2:33:03 pm:

IBNLive.com has live streaming video in WMV format.

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1 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:53:15pm

poor India

2 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:53:22pm

Seems rather out of place to lead with a Xmas commercial before terrorist attack but ......?

3 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:53:57pm

Taj, 100 year old piece of Indian heritage is burning.

4 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:18pm

Taj hotel is really burning.

5 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:20pm

This hotel is 100 years old.

6 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:34pm

Global War on Terror seems like appropriate terminology to me.

7 6pat6  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:40pm

Damn...splodeydopes in action. Region of "Peace", my ass.

8 Charles  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:54pm

Massive explosion at Taj Hotel...

9 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:54:57pm

I really hate these animals, they need to be dealt with harshly and NOW!

10 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:55:10pm

Police and Army fighting the terrorists in the Taj.

11 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:55:24pm

re: #3 IslandLibertarian

NO I think its just a hotel called Haj.

12 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:55:35pm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

NO I think its just a hotel called Taj.

13 pegcity  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:11pm

l they won't even go blow up an empty field like Israel.

14 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:11pm

the link to NDTV off of Fox website has best footage -- Taj hotel is toast -- fire spreading very very quickly -- lots of weapons fire

15 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:33pm

I'd heard 3 MP's , 100+ tourists trapped in Taj

16 6pat6  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:47pm

People going apeshit in Bombay, and people going apeshit in Bangkok.

17 Alaska Kim  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:50pm

Good Lord. Those poor people.

18 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:51pm

Too awful. Too much for me to take.

19 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:56:51pm

re: #12 WrathofG-d

100 years old as reported on NDTV.

20 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:57:04pm

Absolutely sickening.

21 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:57:10pm

100 people rescued from Taj

22 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:57:18pm

fucking dramatic ---

23 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:57:21pm

re: #15 Shug

I'd heard 3 MP's , 100+ tourists trapped in Taj

Baruch HaShem- I am horrified. . .

24 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:57:25pm

re: #9 VegasRick

I really hate these animals, they need to be dealt with harshly and NOW!

As if we needed any more proof? We here all know this. I just hope the rest of this country and much of the world wakes up one of these days. The Indians have tended to be on our side, they did not really need the lesson, but that is probably why they were targeted.

25 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:57:28pm

re: #14 sadhu

This is bad.

NDTV

26 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:58:01pm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

27 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:58:12pm

look at the wall/barrier in the background about 40 seconds in. Does that say "Sunni" or is it part of a larger word (or an Indian word with the same letters?)

28 BigPapa  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:58:13pm

I sense that these aren't going to be 'Hindu separatists' perpetrating these attacks.

29 Tumulus11  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:58:26pm
. 'Fifth floor of the Taj is on fire.'
//IBN


.The hotel appears to be fully involved.
This does not bode well.

30 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:58:35pm

Where are the fire guys? They could always use the hoses on the terrorists as they fight the fire.

31 pegcity  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:59:11pm

question is with this be the straw that breaks the camels back

they are screwing with Indias life blood, its financial sector and its western tourism.

This is going to have major repercussions

32 CommonCents  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:59:11pm

Despite unpopular belief, the terrorists have proven that racial profiling can succeed.

33 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:59:20pm

re: #24 Nevergiveup

As if we needed any more proof? We here all know this. I just hope the rest of this country and much of the world wakes up one of these days. The Indians have tended to be on our side, they did not really need the lesson, but that is probably why they were targeted.

They will not submit to the monsters, they will fight back.

34 Cato the Elder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:59:26pm

Great scott, this is awful.

35 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 1:59:26pm

re: #8 Charles

They are trowing grenades off the roof.

36 Ay, Caramba  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:00:53pm

It's pretty weird watching the cricket and polo news scrolling at the bottom of the screen on NDTV.

37 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:00:55pm

Fire trucks moving in now.

38 VegasRick  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:05pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

They are trowing grenades off the roof.

I hope the police throw the terrorist off the roof.
btw/are we related? trowing?

BBL

39 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:05pm

Fire engines just arrived! Got the go from the cops.

40 bellamags  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:07pm

The terrorists seem to be separating the Brits and the Americans from the other people and holding them hostage on the roof. 35 prisoners so far on the roof. According to Fox.

41 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:08pm

It's a landmark heritage site, and it's a structure made of wood...thus it's burning rapidly...built in 1900...

42 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:19pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

They are trowing grenades off the roof.

While the fire advances on them?

Forgive me, but I really hope they die in agony.

43 CJPro  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:22pm

I thought that all evil in the world such as this was supposed to end with the election of Dear Leader; The One.

44 Teacake!  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:37pm

Just heard on the radio - dozens dead by "unidentified gunmen"

45 Airedale  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:43pm

maybe congress can bail them out if they promise to stop killing infidels...or whatever the MSM refuses to say is actually going on. Guess the sleepers woke up after the Bali executions.......and are taking jihad into their own hands while they still can become martyres

46 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:01:53pm

re: #30 Crimsonfisted

Where are the fire guys? They could always use the hoses on the terrorists as they fight the fire.

Water hoses against grenades being chucked from the roof?
Firefighters don't come with body armor, just bunker gear.

47 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:02:03pm

re: #12 WrathofG-d

Yes but apparently a classic, landmark hotel.

48 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:02:30pm

Imagine, 95% of the country is probably asleep.
What a shock they will have when they wake up

49 Airedale  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:02:30pm

re: #38 VegasRick

I hope the police throw the terrorist off the roof.
btw/are we related? trowing?

BBL

hmmm, that make tree of us

50 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:02:51pm

re: #33 VegasRick

They will not submit to the monsters, they will fight back.

Which of course could get very dangerous very fast if Pakistan is shown to be even a tad involved ( which is very possible with their support of Muslim terrorist and kashmer separatists ) and then 2 nuclear powers could be facing off.

51 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:02:54pm

re: #40 bellamags

The terrorists seem to be separating the Brits and the Americans from the other people and holding them hostage on the roof. 35 prisoners so far on the roof. According to Fox.

Oh, how horrible. . .

52 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:09pm

re: #9 VegasRick

I really hate these animals, they need to be dealt with harshly and NOW!

The prevailing policy seems to be to deal with them proportionately. That will not work. Any response needs to be completely out of proportion.

But those days are gone. These events will be treated as criminal occurrences, not acts of war.

53 pegcity  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:17pm

i hope the Israelis trained their hostage rescue teams well.

54 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:26pm

re: #44 Teacake!

Just heard on the radio - dozens dead by "unidentified gunmen"

Yeah, right

55 Pastorius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:27pm

Just in time for Obama to invade Pakistan.

56 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:33pm

What will the Zero have to say about this? If he doesnt come down HARD on these creeps from the Office of the President-elect, it will mean a VERY long 4 years.

57 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:03:46pm

re: #53 pegcity

i hope the Israelis trained their hostage rescue teams well.

They did they do

58 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:04:02pm

Portions of the burning hotel are now breaking off and falling...fire engines are standing by...

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:04:27pm

Deccan Mujahideen claims responsibility for the attacks.

60 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:04:46pm

Fire Engines now on site.
Talk about life and death work.

61 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:04:48pm

Cama hospital was also attacked...looking for more info but I thought I heard on CNN it was women's and children's hospital, possibly thousands of beds (in Mumbai, wouldn't doubt it). Several staff killed, hostages taken. Hospital surrounded by Indian forces.

62 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:12pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Deccan Mujahideen claims responsibility for the attacks.

spit

Dayan Emes. . .

63 Airedale  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:17pm

at about the :35 mark, I thought I heard some high plains jibberish saying "taliban...taliban"

64 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:19pm

re: #56 Wishing

What will the Zero have to say about this? If he doesnt come down HARD on these creeps from the Office of the President-elect, it will mean a VERY long 4 years.

Well he has to be careful. We have one President and only one President. If Obama is smart he will keep his mouth shut and follow THE President's lead on this one.

65 6pat6  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:21pm

re: #50 Nevergiveup

Which of course could get very dangerous very fast if Pakistan is shown to be even a tad involved ( which is very possible with their support of Muslim terrorist and kashmer separatists ) and then 2 nuclear powers could be facing off.

Damn near happened a couple or so years ago. India and Pakistan were definitely on the brink.

66 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:36pm

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"We can hear people screaming now... from inside"

Good lord.

67 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:50pm

re: #61 transient

Cama hospital was also attacked...looking for more info but I thought I heard on CNN it was women's and children's hospital, possibly thousands of beds (in Mumbai, wouldn't doubt it). Several staff killed, hostages taken. Hospital surrounded by Indian forces.

[deleted] !

68 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:55pm

re: #61 transient

Cama hospital was also attacked...looking for more info but I thought I heard on CNN it was women's and children's hospital, possibly thousands of beds (in Mumbai, wouldn't doubt it). Several staff killed, hostages taken. Hospital surrounded by Indian forces.

The horror continues

69 bellamags  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:05:57pm

India is a nuclear power.

70 XMarine  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:00pm

ROP! Religion Of Pieces -- after all that is what is left of anything precious or beautiful after those barbarians finish with it.

71 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:07pm

Corner of Taj in flames - huge black billows of smoke come out the back of the hotel.

72 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:08pm

re: #46 jcm

Water hoses against grenades being chucked from the roof?
Firefighters don't come with body armor, just bunker gear.

Posted before I picked up on that news. Yes, too dangerous with grenades raining down.

73 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:09pm

IBN still reporting 100 tourists "stuck" in Taj Hotel.

74 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:19pm

re: #66 WitchDoctor

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"We can hear people screaming now... from inside"

Good lord.

Speechless

75 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:20pm

Fire hoses spraying the flames now

76 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:30pm

re: #31 pegcity

question is with this be the straw that breaks the camels back

they are screwing with Indias life blood, its financial sector and its western tourism.

This is going to have major repercussions

The Jihadis "screwed" with the US financial sector and just got a bunch of L3s to blame the US for anything we did in reaction.

Now we have another "hot spot" to be concerned about as terrorism ramps up the slaughter of innocents.

77 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:31pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

They are trowing grenades off the roof.

Wonderful people.

Pakistan is gonna be on the hot seat for a while. I hope we have several Reapers up in their airspace right now. Fry some "militants" while the world's attention is diverted elsewhere.

78 Pete-billy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:38pm

They are monsters these terrorists!

79 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:53pm

They have fire hoses on the fire now.

80 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:06:59pm

Finally, the fire is being put out -- water jets going..

81 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:07:03pm

re: #73 snowcrash

IBN still reporting 100 tourists "stuck" in Taj Hotel.

The seperated ones? British and U.S.? Or terrorists?

82 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:07:11pm

Er, Water hoses

83 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:07:28pm

Thye Taj is to India what the twin towers were for us?

84 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:07:31pm

re: #36 Ay, Caramba

It's pretty weird watching the cricket and polo news scrolling at the bottom of the screen on NDTV.

Crickett is practically a religion in India.

85 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:08:02pm

wow, that fire hose did some good!

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:08:09pm

re: #81 DisturbedEma

The seperated ones? British and U.S.? Or terrorists?

Hoping the terrorists are corpses.

87 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:08:10pm

re: #84 astronmr20

Crickett is practically a religion in India.

A civilized sport according to some

88 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:08:24pm

I have customers in Mumbai. I know it's silly, because Mumbai is huge, but I can't help worrying about them.

After 9/11, we received hundreds of calls and e-mails from customers worrying about us. Thank God, we could tell them we were all alive and well.

89 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:08:51pm

There's nothing keeping nukes from flying anymore.

In the past, the Indo and Pak sides of the great Indo-Pak dispute were worried that America would pull all its trade out of the former or wipe out the latter, respectively. But America is weaker now and has just voted for the "!no más!" candidate. Whether Obama is actually as weak as people think he is, isn't important; it's the pro-weakness vote our friends and enemies are looking at, as a gauge to our resolve.

90 Pastorius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:08:57pm

A major hotel, a major hospital ...

These are very large an coordinated attacks.

Frightening.

As much as I don't like Obama, and as much as I make fun of his calling for Pakistan to be invaded, I guess we have to credit him for his National Security Advisor appointment today:

James Jones

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

A retired Marine general and former Nato commander is emerging as a leading contender to become Barack Obama’s national security adviser, the most important foreign policy post in the White House.

James Jones, a decorated Vietnam veteran and former Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, is admired by Republicans and Democrats - he is a close friend of John McCain – and would bring particular expertise on Iraq and Afghanistan, two of Mr Obama’s overseas priorities when he takes office on January 20.

No final decision has been made on the post, but the serious consideration being given to General Jones reflects the President-elect’s determination to put together a bipartisan team of strong characters and former rivals. General Jones is also close to Hillary Clinton, and yet enjoys such cross-party appeal that in 2006 he was twice asked by Condoleezza Rice, President Bush’s Secretary of State, to be her deputy.

91 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:05pm

re: #83 Wishing

Thye Taj is to India what the twin towers were for us?

Maybe more, after 100 years. Many memories I am sure for many people, Indians and non-Indians alike. The news guy was mentioning all the celebrities and dignitaries that have stayed there.

92 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:19pm

re: #81 DisturbedEma
Unclear.Just a scroll across IBNLive streaming. Does the word "stuck" imply trapped by fire?

93 yochanan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:22pm

re: #8 Charles

charles can you put up a indian flag TODAY LIZARDS ARE INDIAN

[Link: www.mapsofindia.com...]

94 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:35pm

re: #15 Shug

I'd heard 3 MP's , 100+ tourists trapped in Taj

terrorist suti

95 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:35pm

These Jihadis remind me in a sense of sharks. They are less looking for a fight than they want capitulation & submission. Measured responses & negotiations are viewed as weakness.
The most respected Infidels historically in Islam are El Cid, Richard Lionheart & Charles Martel. All three kicked their asses.
It sounds bad, but we have to get really ruthless.

96 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:37pm

I'm reading a lot of conflicting reports. Can anyone sort it out - are there hostages? Or not?

97 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:50pm

re: #8 Charles

Massive explosion at Taj Hotel...

I'm watching live on NDTV and did not hear nor saw a massive explosion

98 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:09:58pm

re: #23 DisturbedEma

Baruch HaShem- I am horrified. . .

Baruch dajan ha emeth would be the correct phrase,
one says Baruch Ha Shem for something good

99 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:04pm

re: #96 Dianna

I'm reading a lot of conflicting reports. Can anyone sort it out - are there hostages? Or not?

Yes appears to be

100 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:16pm

re: #42 Dianna

While the fire advances on them?

Forgive me, but I really hope they die in agony.

Reports are confusing - but don't they have some British and American hostages up there with them?

101 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:18pm

re: #90 Pastorius

James Jones has a checkered record (with respect to Israel...he wrote one hell of a crazy report once upon a time...)

102 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:31pm

Very good live feed on Foxnews.com

103 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:46pm

re: #88 Catttt

I have customers in Mumbai. I know it's silly, because Mumbai is huge, but I can't help worrying about them.

It's not silly. Even if your customers are not in danger, they may have friends or family who work in those locations, who are in the army, in the hospital, or in the fire brigades, about whom they are worried.

104 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:10:55pm

re: #61 transient

Cama hospital was also attacked...looking for more info but I thought I heard on CNN it was women's and children's hospital, possibly thousands of beds (in Mumbai, wouldn't doubt it). Several staff killed, hostages taken. Hospital surrounded by Indian forces.

I saw a hospital had been attacked but no further news.
Kali will be unleashed by this.
Pandora with six arms.

105 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:05pm

re: #64 Nevergiveup

Well he has to be careful. We have one President and only one President. If Obama is smart he will keep his mouth shut and follow THE President's lead on this one.

Obama and smart just don't go together.....

106 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:18pm
107 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:24pm

re: #102 Flying Dutchman

Very good live feed on Foxnews.com

It crashes every time I try to open it. Crashes LGF, too. IE7 suckitude, I guess.

108 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:29pm

re: #97 Flying Dutchman

the Indian news network interviewed eye witnesses (one of whom reported hearing three blasts...) that was early-on...

109 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:31pm

re: #96 Dianna

Yes, There are hostages at two hotels and a hospital.

110 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:41pm

Can you imagine what if this was happening in New York right now? Los Angeles? Chicago?

111 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:44pm

re: #96 Dianna

I'm reading a lot of conflicting reports. Can anyone sort it out - are there hostages? Or not?

There were, confirmed, with still being a very strong probability. Chaos will be the rule for many hours so I don't expect concrete news for quite some time.

112 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:47pm

re: #99 Nevergiveup

Yes appears to be

Damn. Very bad, that.

113 Pastorius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:51pm

#101 J.S.

James Jones has a checkered record (with respect to Israel...he wrote one hell of a crazy report once upon a time...)

Hmm, I'll check that out.

114 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:11:56pm

Pastorius, do a look up on "Nagl", suspect he's going to have a lot of input into the future of the Afghanistan campaign.

115 Airedale  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:12:10pm

re: #93 yochanan

charles can you put up a indian flag TODAY LIZARDS ARE INDIAN

[Link: www.mapsofindia.com...]


India is also the largest democracy in the world. I can't believe they kept a lid on things back in December 2001.

AQ types want a war between Pakistan and India.It will KILL a lot of people.
that is their mission

116 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:12:21pm

re: #96 Dianna

I'm reading a lot of conflicting reports. Can anyone sort it out - are there hostages? Or not?

Believe there are hostages at the Oberoi hotel and Cama hospital. Haven't heard reports of hostages at the Taj.

117 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:12:22pm

re: #100 reine.de.tout

Reports are confusing - but don't they have some British and American hostages up there with them?

If they do, forgive me, but it's more important to kill the terrorists. I hope the hostages make a good death.

118 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:12:42pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Thank you, Killgore.

119 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:12:50pm
120 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:04pm

re: #92 snowcrash

Unclear.Just a scroll across IBNLive streaming. Does the word "stuck" imply trapped by fire?

Hope for the best. . .

121 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:11pm

re: #106 Catttt

Picture of the Taj.

TY!

122 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:16pm

re: #90 Pastorius

doesn't sound like anyone i'd want in the office.

123 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:18pm

re: #105 redc1c4

Obama and smart just don't go together.....

I am not so sure. he may very well be a dam socialist, but I never got the impression he is stupid. I don't like his taste in women or preachers, but that's another story.

124 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:28pm

"The stairwell of the old wing is full of dead bodies" - NDTV

125 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:39pm

Saahasik!
Go India!

126 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:40pm

Stairwell in the old building is full of dead bodies, is being reported. Hoping those are all terrorists. Fire out.

127 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:41pm
128 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:56pm

re: #110 Racer X

Can you imagine what if this was happening in New York right now? Los Angeles? Chicago?

It will happen.

129 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:13:57pm

"The stairwell in the old wing is full of bodies"

Unconfirmed, let's hope it's not true.

130 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:02pm

Folks, keep your eyes and ears open in coming days, especially on mass transit, high-profile public areas, etc. I have to wonder if the jihadists won't try to roll in more attacks.

131 alegrias  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:05pm

Jaamu & Kashmir are the "disputed regions" where much Hindu/musulman violence erupts continually.

The movie "Ghandhi" also dealt with this senseless jihadism in that area of the world.

Violent fanaticism did not respond well to the change they were waiting for either.

132 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:09pm

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

What a beautiful building.

Not anymore.

133 bellamags  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:11pm

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

What a beautiful building.

I was just thinking the same thing.

134 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:13pm

re: #76 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Jihadis "screwed" with the US financial sector and just got a bunch of L3s to blame the US for anything we did in reaction.

Now we have another "hot spot" to be concerned about as terrorism ramps up the slaughter of innocents.


Big difference. The Hindus and Muslims of India have, for centuries, been enemies. Big time. India is still about 75% Hindu. They will not appreciate being blamed for the Muslim actions. They are the East, we are the West; no matter what western ideals are, the East is very very different.

135 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:13pm

People are shouting out for help, people inside the Taj.

136 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:18pm

re: #107 Occasional Reader

It crashes every time I try to open it. Crashes LGF, too. IE7 suckitude, I guess.

Try with Firefox, I'm on a Mac and the feed is fine (with Safari 3.2.1)

137 Hobbes  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:24pm

re: #106 Catttt

Thanks Catttt.

138 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:35pm

People are still shouting out for help...(at Taj Hotel).

139 pegcity  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:42pm

Anyone else smell the work of the ISF.

There is no way in hell this isn't Pakistani intelligence

140 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:14:59pm

re: #130 Occasional Reader

Folks, keep your eyes and ears open in coming days, especially on mass transit, high-profile public areas, etc. I have to wonder if the jihadists won't try to roll in more attacks.

Exactly why I don't discount the rumor of the NYC Transit strike.

141 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:02pm

I'm having flashbacks to watching people jumping from the twin towers.

142 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:08pm

re: #113 Pastorius

#101 J.S.

James Jones has a checkered record (with respect to Israel...he wrote one hell of a crazy report once upon a time...)

Hmm, I'll check that out.

Yep- he is VERY anti Israel- the report was never filed BECAUSE it was so biased and he refused to acknowledge the tactical risk to ceding Golan and any part of Jerusalem. He is a fucker- in my opinion, sorry, harsh, but he throws the need for good planning and tactical prowess when it is Jews?

143 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:11pm

re: #139 pegcity

Anyone else smell the work of the ISF.

There is no way in hell this isn't Pakistani intelligence

Very hard to say.

144 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:17pm

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

What a beautiful building.

And that's why the barbarians want to destroy it.

145 undhimmicratic  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:26pm

Good friends, family and I celebrated New Years 2008 at the Taj Hotel. It was beautiful in a gorgeous setting overlooking a harbor. We gave little thought to security, although the subject came up...
So hard to see these pictures now!

146 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:37pm

re: #90 Pastorius

I'm not entirely happy with the Jones pic because of his record on Israel. He was one of those "special envoys" and recommended things like NATO force replacing the IDF in the West Bank.

147 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:42pm

re: #107 Occasional Reader
I am using IE7 and getting live feed coverage from IBNLive.com (CNN IBN live streaming) with no problems now.

148 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:45pm

re: #126 Crimsonfisted

Stairwell in the old building is full of dead bodies, is being reported. Hoping those are all terrorists. Fire out.

Speechless

149 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:47pm

re: #127 buzzsawmonkey

What a beautiful building.

Lets hope it survives as well as those who are inside (except the terrorists of course)

150 Pastorius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:47pm

James Jones' report on Israel:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The United States security coordinator for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, retired general James Jones, is preparing an extremely critical report of Israel's policies in the territories and its attitude toward the Palestinian Authority's security services.

A few copies of the report's executive summary (or, according to some sources, a draft of it) have been given to senior Bush Administration officials, and it is reportedly arousing considerable discomfort. In recent weeks, the administration has been debating whether to allow Jones to publish his full report, or whether to tell him to shelve it and make do with the summary, given the approaching end of President George Bush's term.

Jones was appointed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice following the Annapolis peace conference last November. His assignment was to draft a strategic plan to facilitate stabilization of the security situation, as a necessary accompaniment to Israeli-Palestinian final-status negotiations. In this context, he assessed the PA security forces in the West Bank, whose reform is being overseen by another American general, Keith Dayton. Jones has visited the region several times and met with senior Israeli government officials and army officers.

Jones is apparently critical of Israel on two key issues. One is its fairly broad definition of its security interests in the West Bank under any final-status agreement. The other is its attitude toward the PA security services.

However, the sources said, Jones also had some criticism for Washington: He said its efforts to reform the PA security services fell short and complained that U.S. government agencies are not coordinating their assistance for these forces. In addition, he reportedly concluded that the PA forces are not yet capable of effectively enforcing the law in the West Bank.

151 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:56pm

re: #115 Airedale

It will KILL a lot of people. that is their mission

concise.
upding.

152 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:15:57pm

"All schools and colleges will remain shut today in Mumbai"

153 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:12pm

Events like this provide a sense of perspective. It makes worrying about your 401K value seem silly.

154 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:14pm

re: #141 Shug

I'm having flashbacks to watching people jumping from the twin towers.

Same here :(

155 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:16pm

re: #147 snowcrash

I am using IE7 and getting live feed coverage from IBNLive.com (CNN IBN live streaming) with no problems now.

Hm. I'm still at work, so it could be the firewall messing with it.

156 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:18pm

Australian Broadcasting Corporation - Scores dead: Army storms Mumbai hotels

Indian troops have reportedly stormed Mumbai's luxury Oberoi and Taj Mahal Palace hotels after coordinated terrorist attacks which left scores of people dead and Westerners taken hostage.

At least 78 people have been killed and more than 200 injured in the attacks across India's financial capital this morning.

Targets included the Oberoi and Taj hotels, the city's main railway station, the Cama hospital, and the Cafe Leopold, near the Taj Hotel and perhaps the most famous restaurant and hang-out for tourists in the city.

This morning the Taj Hotel was on fire and explosions had been heard in both the hotels.

Acting Foreign Minister Simon Crean says at least two Australians have been injured in the attacks. Anyone concerned about friends or relatives can call DFAT on 1300 555 135

A trade delegation from New South Wales was among the guests staying at the Oberoi Hotel.

The delegation of about 20 people includes representatives from several companies in New South Wales as well as some departmental staff.

A spokeswoman for the NSW Department of State and Regional Development says the leader of the delegation called the department when alarms were going off in the hotel and they were being asked to leave their rooms, but the department has not been able to contact him since.

An organisation calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the attacks in an email sent to Indian media organisations.

One witness at the Taj hotel said the attackers had been searching for people with British and American passports.

"I guess they were after foreigners, because they were asking for British or American passports," said Rakesh Patel, a British witness who lives in Hong Kong and was staying at the Taj Mahal hotel on business. "They had bombs."

"They came from the restaurant and took us up the stairs," he told the NDTV news channel, smoke stains all over his face. "Young boys, maybe 20 years old, 25 years old. They had two guns."

Speaking to ABC2's News Breakfast program, former ABC reporter Savitri Choudhry said the attacks had plunged the city into chaos.

"There have already been three explosions inside the [Taj] hotel," she said.

"There have been reports that the commandos were trying to storm the hotel but ... they're not sure how many people they are up against.

"I was in the Taj Hotel myself earlier this evening. As soon as I heard about the blast I called [my friend]. She was holed up in her room ... she said she could hear them outside her door. She turned off her lights and television ... we've been trying to call her but there's been no response yet and that's been very disturbing.

"People have been calling out, some have even escaped. There are a large number of guests who have been cordoned off and are in a safe part of the hotel."

An Australian woman caught up in the attacks says the city is in chaos.

Chloe Papazahariakis told the Nine Network Mumbai is in total lockdown.

She says she has just moved to Mumbai to be married in four days and has about 20 friends with her for the wedding in the midst of the chaos.

Ms Papazahariakis says she and her friends have locked themselves inside the restaurant where her reception is to be held.

She says a nearby hospital has been bombed by terrorists.

She also says one man was shot dead in a gun battle between police and terrorists just 10 metres from the restaurant they are in.

157 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:30pm

re: #142 DisturbedEma

Also heard he was blaming Israel for terrorist attacks, and was wanting to put American troops into the West Bank.

158 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:33pm

Ladders are up to help people out.

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:16:40pm

re: #134 Eowyn2

Big difference. The Hindus and Muslims of India have, for centuries, been enemies. Big time. India is still about 75% Hindu. They will not appreciate being blamed for the Muslim actions. They are the East, we are the West; no matter what western ideals are, the East is very very different.

I know, and so see this as the fuse burning down into the bomb casing to light off the explosive inside.

160 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:17:01pm

Cant get live feed. Is this turning out worse than an hour ago? It sounds like it is escalating.

161 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:17:02pm

NDTD says fire at Taj largely out now.

162 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:17:12pm

re: #158 Crimsonfisted

Ladders are up to help people out.

I think those are more for helping the fire people in?

163 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:17:18pm

re: #136 Flying Dutchman

Try with Firefox, I'm on a Mac and the feed is fine (with Safari 3.2.1)

wait . . . 3.2.1?!?

BRB, I'm going to update my Safari browser.

164 alegrias  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:17:56pm

re: #153 MrPaulRevere

Events like this provide a sense of perspective. It makes worrying about your 401K value seem silly.

* * *
We are still so blessed--and Little Green Footballs is again another thing to be grateful for this year. Thank you, dear souls.

165 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:17:57pm

May God help those being held. May there be very brave souls among them.

166 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:02pm
167 Pastorius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:11pm

142 Ema

Yep- he is VERY anti Israel- the report was never filed BECAUSE it was so biased and he refused to acknowledge the tactical risk to ceding Golan and any part of Jerusalem. He is a fucker- in my opinion, sorry, harsh, but he throws the need for good planning and tactical prowess when it is Jews?

Interesting. I just heard Michael Medved raving about what a great appt. James Jones is.

168 lobo91  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:32pm

re: #146 transient

I'm not entirely happy with the Jones pic because of his record on Israel. He was one of those "special envoys" and recommended things like NATO force replacing the IDF in the West Bank.

Yeah, because NATO troops would do a marvelous job of keeping Hamas from launching rockets into Israel.

Just like they've kept Hezbollah from rearming in southern Lebanon.

Not.

170 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:43pm

Reporter on IBN called The Taj Hotel an iconic symbol of the growth and success of Mumbai.

171 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:53pm

NDTV reports that the fire is almost under control in the Taj hotel

172 bellamags  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:55pm

No doubt there are some brave hostages that will try to take out a couple of these terrorist assholes.

173 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:18:58pm

re: #168 lobo91

Yeah, because NATO troops would do a marvelous job of keeping Hamas from launching rockets into Israel.

Just like they've kept Hezbollah from rearming in southern Lebanon.

Not.

you mean U.N. I think..

174 Dianna  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:19:15pm

re: #154 Flying Dutchman

Make that three.

I need to stop trying to follow this. I'm feeling sick and I'm getting short of breath.

175 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:19:20pm
176 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:19:24pm

re: #150 Pastorius

James Jones' report on Israel:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

The United States security coordinator for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, retired general James Jones, is preparing an extremely critical report of Israel's policies in the territories and its attitude toward the Palestinian Authority's security services.

A few copies of the report's executive summary (or, according to some sources, a draft of it) have been given to senior Bush Administration officials, and it is reportedly arousing considerable discomfort. In recent weeks, the administration has been debating whether to allow Jones to publish his full report, or whether to tell him to shelve it and make do with the summary, given the approaching end of President George Bush's term.

Jones was appointed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice following the Annapolis peace conference last November. His assignment was to draft a strategic plan to facilitate stabilization of the security situation, as a necessary accompaniment to Israeli-Palestinian final-status negotiations. In this context, he assessed the PA security forces in the West Bank, whose reform is being overseen by another American general, Keith Dayton. Jones has visited the region several times and met with senior Israeli government officials and army officers.

Jones is apparently critical of Israel on two key issues. One is its fairly broad definition of its security interests in the West Bank under any final-status agreement. The other is its attitude toward the PA security services.

However, the sources said, Jones also had some criticism for Washington: He said its efforts to reform the PA security services fell short and complained that U.S. government agencies are not coordinating their assistance for these forces. In addition, he reportedly concluded that the PA forces are not yet capable of effectively enforcing the law in the West Bank.


He also refused to see the risks to civilians in the Golan and in Jerusalem- and he also refused to even try to require the PA to actually do its job- Israel was supposed to arm people sworn to her destruction. . .bastard!

177 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:19:30pm

re: #162 Nevergiveup

I think those are more for helping the fire people in?

I heard the news guy say they were trying to help the people down, and that will be the intent if they are not doing it now. He said it again just now, but I was typing and he might have been correcting himself.

They are seeing people leaving out of the fire exits.

178 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:19:39pm

Man o man...ANOTHER outbreak of Peace in a pub?
These bastahds are incompatible with any life and need to be REMOVED.
May the Indian forces decimate them.

179 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:10pm

NDTV also says there is still firing (fight) in the Taj hotel

180 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:31pm

re: #157 J.S.

Also heard he was blaming Israel for terrorist attacks, and was wanting to put American troops into the West Bank.

Which Israel flat out refused to do- which, if I am remebering it correctly sparked a 'what do the Jews not want us to see' debate. . .sheesh

181 Wishing  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:37pm

re: #166 Shug

More photos of the taj hotel

I think those are pictures of the palace it self, not the hotel.
Lovely tho

182 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:45pm

re: #166 Shug
Wow. How beautiful it must have been.

183 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:48pm

re: #172 bellamags

No doubt there are some brave hostages that will try to take out a couple of these terrorist assholes.

Let's hope so.

184 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:54pm

Yes, he said it again, that the fireman are trying to get the people out in the baskets.

185 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:20:58pm

re: #181 Wishing

I think those are pictures of the palace it self, not the hotel.
Lovely tho

I agree

186 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:06pm

re: #174 Dianna

Make that three.

I need to stop trying to follow this. I'm feeling sick and I'm getting short of breath.

This 9/11-style replay is not something I am enjoying either.

187 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:18pm

re: #168 lobo91

Yeah, because NATO troops would do a marvelous job of keeping Hamas from launching rockets into Israel.

Just like they've kept Hezbollah from rearming in southern Lebanon.

Not.

Well that wasn't NATO but UN forces and some Italians I think. Anyway putting NATO forces in the west bank would be a major mistake on Israel's part in my opinion. They are not trained to tackle Palestinian terrorists and will only get in Israel's way when it retaliates. And that means a whole host of other problems.

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:19pm
189 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:43pm
A media report says a little-known group, the Deccan Mujahideen, has claimed responsibility for the Mumbai terrorist attacks.

Ahh, there you go.........no surprises there.

190 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:46pm

Those guys on the aerial unit have humongous brass ones.

191 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:48pm

NDTV - 2 terrorists killed inside the Taj.
2 more "to go", they said

192 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:49pm

re: #177 Crimsonfisted

Maybe

193 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:21:58pm

2 terrorists killed in the Taj, 2 more to go he just said.

194 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:03pm

The fire on the corner appears to be out.

I think they have a ladder truck up to the corner there.

195 lobo91  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:07pm

re: #173 astronmr20

you mean U.N. I think..

You're still talking about French troops, probably, regardless of what color beret they wear on the mission.

There is no such thing as "UN troops," nor are there any "NATO troops."

196 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:17pm

Two terrorists killed in Taj hotel, two others captured

197 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:23pm

re: #181 Wishing

I think those are pictures of the palace it self, not the hotel.
Lovely tho

There are like 60 photos to scroll through

198 astronmr20  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:25pm

A Japanese national has been killed.

199 joncelli  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:37pm

Indian army storming hotels.

200 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:38pm

re: #115 Airedale

AQ types want a war between Pakistan and India

it's coming

first will be massive riots in India -- if this was indeed an attack by Muslim terrorists, the Hindus will go batshit

201 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:44pm

re: #190 jcm

Those guys on the aerial unit have humongous brass ones.


Where are you live feeding JCM?

202 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:22:51pm

The tail wags the dog.

Watch it again. Closely.

203 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:23:23pm

re: #198 astronmr20

A Japanese national has been killed.

Looks like a lot of the world will be mourning this.

204 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:23:25pm

re: #197 Shug

There are like 60 photos to scroll through

I keep thinking terrorists will attack landmarks, like the Taj Mahal. They apparently prefer to attack places where they can kill the most human beings.

205 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:23:30pm

re: #196 Flying Dutchman

Two terrorists killed in Taj hotel, two others captured

2 others to go, I was wrong

206 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:23:49pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Let's hope so.

I hope for rescue of innocents

207 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:23:57pm

re: #201 A Kiwi Infidel

Where are you live feeding JCM?

Fox.........taking a feed from NDTV

208 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:02pm

re: #178 Wishing

May the Indian forces decimate them.

Decimate only means 10% destruction. May they instead be annihilated.

209 imhe  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:12pm

Hotel Taj is pride of bombay and India.
Jamshedji Tata started building this hotel when he was refused entry into 'whites only' hotel. It is not only a beautiful building, it has history.!
I can't imagine a bombay with it.

210 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:18pm

re: #202 Allah al Fubar

The tail wags the dog.

Watch it again. Closely.

?

211 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:33pm

re: #204 Catttt
And destroy the tourism economy, like 9-11.

212 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:34pm

My father was a Firefighter for 30 years. It's disconcerting to think that he could have been in a situation like this. What a cloth they are cut from.

213 Pastorius  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:44pm

#188 Buzzsawmonkey,

I see.

Michael Medved, however, is hardly a blinded liberal Democrat.

Very strange.

214 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:49pm

re: #210 Racer X

Like I said..

215 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:24:52pm

re: #168 lobo91

Yeah, because NATO troops would do a marvelous job of keeping Hamas from launching rockets into Israel.

Just like they've kept Hezbollah from rearming in southern Lebanon.

UNIFIL is in South Leb, not NATO. NATO is more effective than UN forces-- when they want to be, but there is no way that they would be as aggressive or as successful in preventing terror attacks as the Shin Bet and IDF. NATO forces would be targeted as "occupation forces" as they are in Afghan, and/or would be used as shields from which to attack Israel. Israel would not be able to respond effectively.

216 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:17pm

FNN scrollled "two terrorists left inside" then "encounter coming to an end"

217 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:18pm

Those guys in the crane have stones of titanium. Good luck to them.

218 lobo91  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:26pm

re: #187 Nevergiveup

They are not trained to tackle Palestinian terrorists

Nor would they try.

219 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:29pm

What I don't is the news talk shows to roll out a spokesman for a Muslim group.
I don't want to hear that this is a teachable moment about Islam or that while this is regretable, one needs to understand that it was insults to Islam that caused it.
I really no longer care what they have to say. Quit rooting for our enemy & if you get caught funding them or aiding in any way, you go to the joint with pulled pork sanwiches three times a day & no goat visits.

220 Joel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:33pm

That Israeli security fence is looking better then ever.

221 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:41pm

re: #146 transient

I'm not entirely happy with the Jones pic because of his record on Israel. He was one of those "special envoys" and recommended things like NATO force replacing the IDF in the West Bank.

Knowing the O's ties, why would we think he would appoint anyone who supports Israel?

222 Zimriel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:44pm

Good night lizards, God be with you.

223 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:47pm

re: #202 Allah al Fubar

?

224 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:25:59pm

re: #214 Allah al Fubar

Like I said..

Yes thank you. Mush clearer now.

/

225 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:26:17pm

re: #205 Flying Dutchman

2 others to gopay, I was wrong


Fixed it

226 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:26:30pm

re: #215 transient

UNIFIL is in South Leb, not NATO. NATO is more effective than UN forces-- when they want to be, but there is no way that they would be as aggressive or as successful in preventing terror attacks as the Shin Bet and IDF. NATO forces would be targeted as "occupation forces" as they are in Afghan, and/or would be used as shields from which to attack Israel. Israel would not be able to respond effectively.

Exactly.

227 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:26:40pm

They are in the process of evacuating people from the Taj. Reported 50 people evac'd from emergency exits. That's gotta be a drop in the bucket though.

228 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:26:40pm

CNN has a live feed from an Indian affiliate.

229 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:26:56pm

re: #224 Racer X

Yes thank you. Mush clearer now.

/


Good. Glad you can see it.

230 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:27:03pm

re: #218 lobo91

Well they would talk a good story?

231 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:27:07pm

re: #225 DisturbedEma

Fixed it

Thanks' ;-)

232 formercorpsman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:27:17pm

This is terrible.

233 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:27:28pm

No one should underestimate Indian soldiers. They have fought well in every modern war from WWI to the present.

235 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:27:56pm

re: #186 FurryOldGuyJeans

This 9/11-style replay is not something I am enjoying either.

Does have that feel doesn't it?

236 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:27:59pm

re: #222 Zimriel

Good night lizards, God be with you.

Have a wonderful holiday.

237 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:07pm

There are definetly people still in the TAJ Hotel from the pics on FOX.

238 ashan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:10pm

re: #90 Pastorius
Oh no - you don't really want that Israel-hater Jones, do you?
Read this stuff on that nasty SOB: Obama's Top NSA And CIA Picks: Harsh On Israel, Sympathetic To Iran And Hezbollah

239 Kiernan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:13pm

NDTV LIVE

[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

240 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:20pm

re: #216 Thanos

FNN scrollled "two terrorists left inside" then "encounter coming to an end"

That's also what ndtv is showing

241 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:22pm

re: #233 experiencedtraveller

No one should underestimate Indian soldiers. They have fought well in every modern war from WWI to the present.

That's good to know. I have the feeling we will be fighting along side them for the foreseeable future.

242 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:22pm

Going a bit further back it was the Indians that stopped Alexander the Great.

243 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:25pm

re: #229 Allah al Fubar

Good. Glad you can see it.

Pretend I'm slow. (OK, don't pretend). See what?

244 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:26pm
245 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:29pm

re: #231 Flying Dutchman

Thanks' ;-)

You are welcome

246 lobo91  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:28:37pm

re: #215 transient

UNIFIL is in South Leb, not NATO. NATO is more effective than UN forces-- when they want to be

Funny, I can't think of anyplace they've been terribly effective.

NATO troops were kidnapped in Bosnia, as I recall.

And most of the ones in Afghanistan haven't fired a shot.

247 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:29:02pm

If you or anyone you know is concerned about relatives they can call: 1 888 I 07 iris

(Mnemonic done to get past phone number filter. That bolded, italic character is a zero.)

248 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:29:17pm

The Army commandos went into the Oberoi Hotel a while ago. Anyone getting any coverage of the hostage situation?

249 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:29:22pm

re: #243 Racer X

Pretend I'm slow. (OK, don't pretend). See what?


Quite clearly, actually. The tail wags the dog.

250 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:29:27pm

re: #240 reine.de.tout

That's also what ndtv is showing

There is that word again. . I do not think it means what they think it means. . .

251 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:29:33pm

re: #232 formercorpsman

This is terrible.

Yes.

252 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:29:58pm

This is hideous. I have Indian friends, including some in the diplomatic service. I pray for them to be strong. I would do anything for these folks, they are really good people.

253 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:30:31pm

re: #249 Allah al Fubar

Quite clearly, actually. The tail wags the dog.

No offense, but what the hell are you talking about?

254 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:31:22pm

re: #207 jcm

Fox.........taking a feed from NDTV


Working! upding for you

255 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:31:23pm

re: #249 Allah al Fubar

Quite clearly, actually. The tail wags the dog.

This dog?

256 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:31:45pm

re: #249 Allah al Fubar

Quite clearly, actually. The tail wags the dog.

I'm not asking who's on second!

257 ducktrapper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:31:51pm

I wonder if everyone would go apeshit if the Indians nuked Riyadh to return the favour. Thanks for the Wahibis!

258 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:31:56pm

re: #253 Catttt

No offense, but what the hell are you talking about?

The small appendage moves the whole, rules the whole, instead of the dog wagging it. . .

259 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:32:21pm

re: #141 Shug

I'm having flashbacks to watching people jumping from the twin towers.


me too.

260 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:32:37pm

re: #258 DisturbedEma

The small appendage moves the whole, rules the whole, instead of the dog wagging it. . .

;p

261 Jimmah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:32:38pm

live BBC coverage here -

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

262 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:32:53pm

re: #257 ducktrapper

I wonder if everyone would go apeshit if the Indians nuked Riyadh to return the favour. Thanks for the Wahibis!

Er, yes. They would.

263 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:04pm

re: #258 DisturbedEma

The small appendage moves the whole, rules the whole, instead of the dog wagging it. . .

The small group is driving the action. . .not the ruling party. . .Wag the Dog movie. . .Hoffman. . .and some other people. . .

264 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:16pm

i pray they get those hostages out of there.

265 joncelli  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:18pm

Six Indian members of parliament may be caught in the Taj.

266 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:23pm

re: #250 DisturbedEma

There is that word again. . I do not think it means what they think it means. . .

ndtv - appears the reporters speak english as second language. so i suspect (but I can't know for sure, of course) that this is just the word they learned to use for this type of thing.

267 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:43pm

re: #207 jcm

Fox.........taking a feed from NDTV

They have the same pictures on the FOX News channel, but the TV version seems to be on a 6-second delay.

268 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:50pm

Wait a minute! The office of the President Elect put out a statement that "the President Elect strongly condemns this action"
Thems some strong words!

269 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:33:55pm

re: #260 Catttt

;p

I know, I am such a jackass today. . .but I did clarify. . .and did not think of the OTHER appendage. . .sigh I am off my game. . .

270 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:34:15pm

Did I just hear 200 held hostage?

271 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:34:34pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout

ndtv - appears the reporters speak english as second language. so i suspect (but I can't know for sure, of course) that this is just the word they learned to use for this type of thing.

Encounter= Date

ATTACK= what is going on today

272 stevieray  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:34:38pm

The jihadists are determined to drag India backwards to the time of the Moghuls. Its typical of jihadis everywhere -- keep society from moving into modernity. India should have been a world power for centuries... it is absurd that a little nation like England could conquer it... yet every time it moves toward greatness, a certain minority drags it back down. They will only allow India to rise if they get to run it, but they can't run a modern society.

273 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:34:41pm

re: #258 DisturbedEma

The small appendage moves the whole, rules the whole, instead of the dog wagging it. . .

Thank you, Ema.

274 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:34:59pm

Are those terrorists I can see lurking in the windows. This would mean they are scouring all the rooms. This could get really bad. I know there are some Kiwis over there somewhere. Will check this out.

275 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:05pm

re: #270 Nevergiveup

I think it was 150-200 still left inside.

276 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:09pm

re: #268 opnion

Wait a minute! The office of the President Elect put out a statement that "the President Elect strongly condemns this action"
Thems some strong words!

That is it? Glad he showed restraint. . .NOT

277 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:25pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout

ndtv - appears the reporters speak english as second language. so i suspect (but I can't know for sure, of course) that this is just the word they learned to use for this type of thing.

Many Indians speak English fluently - its a legacy of having been part of the British Empire.

278 ducktrapper  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:33pm

re: #262 Cognito

Well, of course they would. However, I've been watching TV and all the usual suspects are declining to name the usual suspects. Far too early to tell, ya know?

279 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:36pm

Jewish families targeted.
hostage situation

280 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:57pm

Decca Mujahideen claim responsibility - NDTV

Yeesh, these groups are like the People's Front of Judea (only, tragically, deadly).

281 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:35:58pm

Some people have been rescued for the Taj!

282 Kiernan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:36:06pm

CNN LIVE

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

283 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:36:43pm

re: #278 ducktrapper

Well, of course they would. However, I've been watching TV and all the usual suspects are declining to name the usual suspects. Far too early to tell, ya know?

Despite claims of reponsibility. . .and well, if you VETTED such violent attacks. . .a pattern might emerge. . .or. . .hey Did the Obamas get theri puppy yet?

//

284 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:36:45pm

4 suspects killed 9 arrested!

285 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:36:45pm

I was born and raised as a Catholic and always remembered what Christ said on the cross as He died, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do". Today, like 9/11, I suspect that He would not speak those words for these savages but condemn them to hell for all eternity.

286 ashan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:36:55pm

re: #279 Shug

Jewish families targeted.
hostage situation


Huh? What's this?

287 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:37:07pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

I think it was 150-200 still left inside.

One of my daughters just came home from College so i am going back and forth and I miss things here and there. So I'm counting on ya for accurate info like always!

289 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:37:16pm

re: #279 Shug

Jewish families targeted.
hostage situation

where? do you have a link?

290 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:37:17pm

re: #279 Shug

Jewish families targeted.
hostage situation

STILL the media plays dumb!?

291 Kiernan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:37:43pm

CTV LIVE


[Link: watch.ctv.ca...]

292 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:38:12pm

This might get a lot worse. As I understood an Indian press rep to just say, the Jihadis visited beaches earlier & killed people.
Did I hear him right?

293 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:38:21pm

re: #281 gmsc

Some people have been rescued for the Taj!

BARUCH HASHEM!

294 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:38:46pm

re: #292 opnion

This might get a lot worse. As I understood an Indian press rep to just say, the Jihadis visited beaches earlier & killed people.
Did I hear him right?

OMG, it is carnage!

295 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:38:57pm

Oh God...Jewish/Israeli hostages in a Mumbai neighborhood (Nariman house) Unconfirmed reports of people killed...no shots heard recently.

Rapid action force called in.

Report that (some) terrorists came in by water.

296 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:39:27pm

Terrorism has hit practically every continent, and every Country, but yet still we run around wondering what the problem is, is there a connection, and what to do.

We are willfully blind.

297 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:39:27pm

re: #286 ashan

Huh? What's this?

in a house at the Colaba market.terrorists arrived by boat

--unconfirmed.
just heard it on IBNlive feed

298 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:39:29pm

re: #295 transient

Oh God...Jewish/Israeli hostages in a Mumbai neighborhood (Nariman house) Unconfirmed reports of people killed...no shots heard recently.

Rapid action force called in.

Report that (some) terrorists came in by water.

were are you getting this from?

299 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:39:37pm

re: #268 opnion

Wait a minute! The office of the President Elect put out a statement that "the President Elect strongly condemns this action"
Thems some strong words!

Kinda like a strongly worded letter from the UN huh?

300 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:06pm
301 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:12pm

Sometimes you just have to see what's happening... Not the TV show, mind you.

The News plays games with your mind, your family, your life, your job, your free time, your sports and God forbid with your very being.

Go back up top, and re-play the AP or whatever video and watch. Carefully. And, while you're at it, take a gander at the CongrezzKids as they spend our futures into their own blissful oblivion.

I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving.

302 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:22pm

re: #295 transient

It is no secret that many (& I mean MANY) Israelis go to India. There are even streets with Hebrew signage and kosher restaurants.

This is horrible, but not a surprise.

303 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:22pm

re: #299 GeeWiz

Kinda like a strongly worded letter from the UN huh?

Yeah, we will DISCUSS you if you do not stand down. . .

304 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:46pm

Where's the news about Jewish hostages coming from?

305 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:48pm

re: #299 GeeWiz

Kinda like a strongly worded letter from the UN huh?


Yes, except the UN letter would require less people to come up with the statement.

306 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:40:51pm

I gotta go, this is tragic. There are Kiwis holed up in the Mumbai.

BBL

307 LilyGecko  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:12pm

This is horrible.

(Understatement of the year.)

308 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:23pm

re: #306 A Kiwi Infidel

I gotta go, this is tragic. There are Kiwis holed up in the Mumbai.

BBL


Yup~!

309 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:26pm

re: #265 joncelli

Six Indian members of parliament may be caught in the Taj.

I'm trying to think of another attack of this scale, in history. Obviously September 11 stands alone, but it perpetrated by a relatively small crew of terrorists. This Mumbai attack, although nowhere near as deadly, seems to show a much broader scope from what I've seen so far. A simultaneous attack on not two or three but many sites, with targeted killing and hostage-taking.

Bad news, in every way. The only thing they haven't done is deploy some sort of mass-destruction weapon.

310 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:28pm

re: #306 A Kiwi Infidel

I gotta go, this is tragic. There are Kiwis holed up in the Mumbai.

BBL

Thoughts of a positive sort for you.

311 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:40pm

re: #268 opnion

Wait a minute! The office of the President Elect put out a statement that "the President Elect strongly condemns this action"
Thems some strong words!

Despite the president-elect's condemnation of their actions, the army went ahead and rescued the people anyway.

312 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:41pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

were are you getting this from?

[Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

was just reported a few minutes ago.

313 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:41:41pm

re: #295 transient

Oh God...Jewish/Israeli hostages in a Mumbai neighborhood (Nariman house) Unconfirmed reports of people killed...no shots heard recently.

Rapid action force called in.

Report that (some) terrorists came in by water.

do you have a source, link?
thx

314 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:42:11pm

Attacked the Chabad House in Mombai. It's called the Nariman house.

315 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:42:14pm

re: #309 Cognito

I'm trying to think of another attack of this scale, in history. Obviously September 11 stands alone, but it perpetrated by a relatively small crew of terrorists. This Mumbai attack, although nowhere near as deadly, seems to show a much broader scope from what I've seen so far. A simultaneous attack on not two or three but many sites, with targeted killing and hostage-taking.

Bad news, in every way. The only thing they haven't done is deploy some sort of mass-destruction weapon.


Day is not over yet. . .bite your tongue and knock wood

316 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:42:36pm

re: #296 WrathofG-d

Terrorism has hit practically every continent, and every Country, but yet still we run around wondering what the problem is, is there a connection, and what to do.

We are willfully blind.

I loved the story a couple nof years ago when a group of 'British" yoots were busted for plotting terrorism. They all attended different Mosques, so the British media saw no commonality. Just couldn't figure out what they had in common.

317 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:42:38pm

re: #314 Yankee Zionist

Attacked the Chabad House in Mombai. It's called the Nariman house.

OMG!

318 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:42:42pm

re: #309 Cognito

I'm trying to think of another attack of this scale, in history. Obviously September 11 stands alone, but it perpetrated by a relatively small crew of terrorists. This Mumbai attack, although nowhere near as deadly, seems to show a much broader scope from what I've seen so far. A simultaneous attack on not two or three but many sites, with targeted killing and hostage-taking.

Bad news, in every way. The only thing they haven't done is deploy some sort of mass-destruction weapon.

They did blow up multiple trains in Mumbia a few years ago killing well over a hundred.

319 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:42:47pm

re: #299 GeeWiz

Kinda like a strongly worded letter from the UN huh?


Reminds me of this Cox and Forkum 'toon

320 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:43:10pm

Getting the info from the live feed on IBN.

321 Eowyn2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:43:14pm

re: #153 MrPaulRevere

Events like this provide a sense of perspective. It makes worrying about your 401K value seem silly.

re: #286 ashan

Huh? What's this?

Jewish and Christian sections of the city in grave danger.

322 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:43:38pm

I notice some people here using the term "terrorist". I find the use of this term without a complete understanding of the motivation and justification for their "resistance" to be unnecessary. I don' t understand how you can do this when it might further humiliate and upset the militants.

Please correct yourself. It is not appropriate during a War On Terrorists to offend and say mean things about the Enemy.

sheeeeeh!
/

323 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:43:44pm

re: #312 Shug

thanks

324 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:43:47pm
325 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:43:49pm

Mumbai under siege:
Comments of Rashmi Bansal on his blog. He was at an event all day at the Oberoi (an interactive session with Prof Eric Von Hippel of MIT), then he took a train from CST.

326 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:44:34pm

re: #311 gmsc

Despite the president-elect's condemnation of their actions, the army went ahead and rescued the people anyway.

Well then ,the Indian Army exhibited a shocking lack of restraint!

327 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:44:36pm

re: #309 Cognito

The only thing they haven't done is deploy some sort of mass-destruction weapon.

Give 'em time. They have only been jihading for 1300 years or so...

328 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:44:37pm

re: #321 Eowyn2

Jewish and Christian sections of the city in grave danger.

Are we ready to say terrorist attack now?

329 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:45:16pm

FYI
Bharat-Rakshak, the Consortium of Indian Military Websites.

This is an unofficial site but it is one of the best national military resources anywhere. Large sections on police, special forces, space, and missiles in addition to the usual military references.

330 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:45:20pm

re: #316 opnion

I loved the story a couple nof years ago when a group of 'British" yoots were busted for plotting terrorism. They all attended different Mosques, so the British media saw no commonality. Just couldn't figure out what they had in common.

I really can't figure out what is so drastically wrong with our society that we are so blind, purposefully blind, confusingly blind! How is it that even after they scream "Allah Akbar", and all come from Mosques could we ask if there is a connection.

With this as our core, we are doomed.

331 Kiernan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:45:32pm

Google Map of Mumbai Attacks


[Link: maps.google.com...]

332 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:45:48pm

re: #324 buzzsawmonkey

There's a Muggle/Harry Potter/Voldemort joke in there somewhere, but I just can't at this point.

sigh

333 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:46:04pm

Holy cow, they actually have footage of the terrorists driving a police car and shooting randomly at a crowd (not gory footage, but disturbing as hell). - IBNLive

334 LilyGecko  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:46:48pm

Fox had several pictures of rooms with blood splattered all over. Big red spots.
re: #333 WitchDoctor

335 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:46:56pm

re: #333 WitchDoctor

Holy cow, they actually have footage of the terrorists driving a police car and shooting randomly at a crowd (not gory footage, but disturbing as hell). - IBNLive

Yep- religion of peace strikes again. . .

336 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:46:57pm

re: #318 Nevergiveup

They did blow up multiple trains in Mumbia a few years ago killing well over a hundred.

I know, but even that didn't rise to this level. I'm focusing solely on the operational scale, not numbers killed. I think it reveals something -- something specific, to people smarter than I am -- about the way these groups are evolving.

337 charles_martel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:47:11pm

A coworker who is Indian has been calling friends and relatives in Mumbai. It is a war zone. Total chaos, firefights, hand grenades, fighting in the city and in the suburbs, explosions in car bombs, in boats at sea. This is a coordinated, major, military-style operation.

338 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:47:38pm

re: #337 charles_martel

A coworker who is Indian has been calling friends and relatives in Mumbai. It is a war zone. Total chaos, firefights, hand grenades, fighting in the city and in the suburbs, explosions in car bombs, in boats at sea. This is a coordinated, major, military-style operation.

Exactly.

339 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:47:45pm

re: #322 WrathofG-d

I notice some people here using the term "terrorist". I find the use of this term without a complete understanding of the motivation and justification for their "resistance" to be unnecessary. I don' t understand how you can do this when it might further humiliate and upset the militants.

Please correct yourself. It is not appropriate during a War On Terrorists to offend and say mean things about the Enemy.

sheeeeeh!
/

(snark, snark)
As my moonbat associates would say (and have said), "bomb them with food!" (I would add "only if they eat nitro compounds and hot steel")

340 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:00pm

re: #298 Nevergiveup

CNN streaming video, live. Presumably Indian affiliate. Should be able to pick up the link from main CNN webpage.

341 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:16pm

Minneapolis resident kills 20 to get his 72 raisins.

I really don't like raisins myself.

342 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:19pm

re: #330 WrathofG-d

I really can't figure out what is so drastically wrong with our society that we are so blind, purposefully blind, confusingly blind! How is it that even after they scream "Allah Akbar", and all come from Mosques could we ask if there is a connection.

With this as our core, we are doomed.

It is political correctness run amok. It is causing deaths.
It is the same mind set that says that all cultures have equal value, with the exception of Western Culture, which of course is inferior.

343 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:22pm

re: #328 DisturbedEma

Are we ready to say terrorist attack now?

India said terrorist attack from the very start.

344 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:25pm

re: #337 charles_martel

A coworker who is Indian has been calling friends and relatives in Mumbai. It is a war zone. Total chaos, firefights, hand grenades, fighting in the city and in the suburbs, explosions in car bombs, in boats at sea. This is a coordinated, major, military-style operation.

I am so sorry. Kind of puts to rest this notion of "loose band" organization. .

345 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:48:51pm

So wait, their Chief Anti-Terror Cop was killed?

346 loveguru  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:03pm

Fox is covering that some 'mujahdeen' group is behind the attack and 9 are taken into custody...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

347 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:15pm

re: #342 opnion

It is political correctness run amok. It is causing deaths.
It is the same mind set that says that all cultures have equal value, with the exception of Western Culture, which of course is inferior.

Moral Relativism. . .the new highway to hell. . .

348 gop_patriot  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:15pm

I just came home and found out about this.

We're praying for the hostages and the Indian authorities to have strength and the ability to end this situation as quickly as possible. May God be with the families of those slain and injured.

May the terrorist bastards who perpetrated this all be [pre-deleted] and then go straight to hell.

349 Maximu§  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:20pm

If India would just pull out of Kashmir.....if Israel could just pull out of all of "Palestine"...if only America would pull out of the Middle East.....if only Sharia law were allowed in Detroit.

Can anyone see a connection here? Maybe India could finish what we started.

350 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:23pm

This seems less like a typical attack than an attempted full-scale take-over of Mumbai, or at least part of it.

How did some solid, actionable word of this not reach the Indian intelligence service? Or ours, for that matter?

Disturbing.

351 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:41pm

re: #346 loveguru

Fox is covering that some 'mujahdeen' group is behind the attack and 9 are taken into custody... for Judgement
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

352 Allah al Fubar  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:48pm

UP UP UP go the ratings!

/CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, FOX, plethora of talking heads in cute sweaters, neatly placed ties and jackets.. The 24 Hour News cycle. Ask oneself: How in the world are all of these journalists gathered together in one place, in Mumbai, at one point, at one hour?

Folks. geeze oh petes take a minute. A time out. The sensationalism of the 24-hour newz media is beyond the pale.

353 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:49:53pm

re: #302 WrathofG-d

It is no secret that many (& I mean MANY) Israelis go to India. There are even streets with Hebrew signage and kosher restaurants.

This is horrible, but not a surprise.

Yeah. It's cheap, and "peaceful."

354 LilyGecko  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:50:00pm

Absolutely horrid people.

re: #348 gop_patriot

355 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:50:03pm

re: #336 Cognito

I know, but even that didn't rise to this level. I'm focusing solely on the operational scale, not numbers killed. I think it reveals something -- something specific, to people smarter than I am -- about the way these groups are evolving.

Just the other day in Yemen they attacked using car bombs, suicide bombers, and a grenade and machine gun attack.

356 Harlequin  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:50:44pm

The radio station in chicago, WLS, likened this, to if a similar attack occured in downtown Manhattan.

Something is very wrong, when your religion is used for this. Very, very wrong.

357 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:51:00pm

re: #345 MilkOfMalfeasance

Yes.

358 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:51:52pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup

Just the other day in Yemen they attacked using car bombs, suicide bombers, and a grenade and machine gun attack.

They are not evolving- they are being allowed to operate in the open- they sense they can get away with it. . .why not- they have in many cases. . .

359 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:01pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Yes.

If that's the case, this is hardly an "Unknown Group" operating here. Govt officials must have been involved somewhere.

360 joncelli  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:03pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Was he scheduled to be there or was he a target of opportunity?

361 Green Helmet Guy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:19pm

BBC

The BBC's Andrew Whitehead says a claim of responsibility by a little-known group, Deccan Mujhaideen, may harden suspicions that Islamic radicals are involved.

Well who the hell do you think was involved Buddhist monks?!

362 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:23pm

And for clarity's sake, I didn't mean that as a knock against India's intelligence service, but rather as a shudder at the realization these guys managed to plan, organize and undertake an attack of this scale without anyone cracking or rolling over.

363 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:25pm

re: #322 WrathofG-d

I notice some people here using the term "terrorist". I find the use of this term without a complete understanding of the motivation and justification for their "resistance" to be unnecessary. I don' t understand how you can do this when it might further humiliate and upset the militants.

Would you feel better about "scumbags"?
;)

364 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:41pm

re: #336 Cognito

I know, but even that didn't rise to this level. I'm focusing solely on the operational scale, not numbers killed. I think it reveals something -- something specific, to people smarter than I am -- about the way these groups are evolving.

The enemy is smart, dedicated, resourceful, willing, and has very long term goals. To them anything in the name of cause is justifiable.

The is a very large operation, large in terms of resources than 9/11. It shows that they have operational security mastered not having the operation blown before hand. However given the nature of such groups I thinks it is a all or nothing type of operation. They are not capable of sustaining a operational tempo on this scale.

365 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:52:48pm

re: #356 Harlequin

The radio station in chicago, WLS, likened this, to if a similar attack occured in downtown Manhattan.

Something is very wrong, when your religion is used for this. Very, very wrong.

And we will hear over and over from CAIR not to judge all Muslims by this. . .and the moderate Muslims who do not support this?

cue the crickets

366 Catttt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:53:02pm

NDTV Poll - current results:

poll »
Q. Is it time for India to enact stringent laws to deal with terror?

Yes 93.8%
No 4.1%
Can't say 2.1%
Total Votes: 634

367 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:53:04pm

re: #360 joncelli

He was shot three times. I'm pretty sure it was an assassination.

368 gop_patriot  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:53:15pm

re: #336 Cognito

And I think it says something about President Bush and the way he's handled things after 9/11 that this type of coordinated attack hasn't happened here. I hope Obama's eyes have been opened and he grasps the depth of the threat we face in these Muslim Terrorists.

/btw FoxNews.com actually has "Muslim Terrorists" up on their front page. Good for them.

369 joncelli  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:53:33pm

re: #361 Green Helmet Guy

Deccan Mujhaideen

Yeah, the whole Mujahaideen thing is a clue [sheesh.]

370 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:53:50pm

re: #349 Maximu§

If India would just pull out of Kashmir.....if Israel could just pull out of all of "Palestine"...if only America would pull out of the Middle East.....if only Sharia law were allowed in Detroit.

Can anyone see a connection here? Maybe India could finish what we started.

If those that love liberty would just vaporize themselves......

371 Kiernan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:54:21pm

IBN Photos Post Attack

*Warning Graphic


[Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

372 Forever  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:54:27pm

I guess this is the Religion of Peace in optima forma.

Look at this picture on flickr of one of the terrorists, what a young face and already so twisted.

373 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:54:27pm

re: #364 jcm

The enemy is smart, dedicated, resourceful, willing, and has very long term goals. To them anything in the name of cause is justifiable.

The is a very large operation, large in terms of resources than 9/11. It shows that they have operational security mastered not having the operation blown before hand. However given the nature of such groups I thinks it is a all or nothing type of operation. They are not capable of sustaining a operational tempo on this scale.

I would add they have the advantage of being seen as victims acting out, and their barbarity is blamed on those they kill. . .helps to have people "understand" that you just HAVE to kill people, cause of your "oppression"

374 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:54:49pm

re: #361 Green Helmet Guy

BBC


Well who the hell do you think was involved Buddhist monks?!


Blind fools.
They are enablers of terror. Let's call it like it is.
A willing, dumbshit press like this guy aids these vermin in their cause of mayhem and terror.

375 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:55:09pm

re: #370 jcm

If those that love liberty would just vaporize themselves......

Electing Obama may have done that

376 ironbill  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:55:18pm

When this is all done, we'll hear the same ineffectual horse**** about Kashmir, poverty, discrimination... (Palestine, colonialism...) The F**KING LIST IS ENDLESS.

I wish people would wake up to the reality of why this is. A murderous f**king death cult built around the musings of a f**king murderer.

Stop deluding yourselves, my "progressive" friends

377 loveguru  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:55:26pm

re: #351 DisturbedEma

Amen...

BUT under political appeasement of Muslims, i know it is almost impossible...

378 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:55:26pm

The only thin consolation in this horror is having a sense of inner assurance that at least the citizens of India will not be asking that useless question, "Why do they hate us?".

379 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:55:30pm

re: #309 Cognito

I'm trying to think of another attack of this scale, in history. Obviously September 11 stands alone, but it perpetrated by a relatively small crew of terrorists. This Mumbai attack, although nowhere near as deadly, seems to show a much broader scope from what I've seen so far. A simultaneous attack on not two or three but many sites, with targeted killing and hostage-taking.

Bad news, in every way. The only thing they haven't done is deploy some sort of mass-destruction weapon.

When Pablo Escobar's friends in "M-19" took over the Colombian Palace of Justice in 1985 comes close, actually.

Oh, they denied any link to the Medellin Cartel, but I doubt anyone in Colombia believes them.

380 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:55:56pm

re: #362 Cognito

And for clarity's sake, I didn't mean that as a knock against India's intelligence service, but rather as a shudder at the realization these guys managed to plan, organize and undertake an attack of this scale without anyone cracking or rolling over.

India has this little problem. It has these 2 borders. One with a country called Pakistan and one with a something called Kashmir. That makes it very vulnerable to Muslim terrorists. And while this is bigger news than most, India is probably hit by more terrorist attacks than any other Country even more than Israel. This really ain't no big surprise.

381 WitchDoctor  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:56:01pm

re: #352 Allah al Fubar

I agree, somebody needs to take a timeout.

382 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:56:03pm

re: #377 loveguru

Amen...

BUT under political appeasement of Muslims, i know it is almost impossible...

I can dream. . .

383 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:56:08pm

Based on the scale and scope of the attack, combined with the targets, the Indians may begin treating this as not just a terrorist attack, but to consider that it would not be possible without ISI involvment, which bring more serious repercussions.

The terrorists may have had that in mind with this attack - engage in such a massive strike so as to imply that the Pakistanis were involved to sabotage already fragile relations between the two countries to cause an all out war (yet again), and the first between two nuclear powers to boot.

384 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:56:23pm

Well, thank goodness CNN Headline News isn't getting distracted by all this, and is focusing on the truly important stories:


Cheerleaders face jail time for hazing

/spit

385 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:56:28pm

Those poor folks. Pray for them. Just awful.

386 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:56:48pm

re: #358 DisturbedEma

They are not evolving- they are being allowed to operate in the open- they sense they can get away with it. . .why not- they have in many cases. . .

The westernized parts of the world are delusional. Condi, the UN, the EU, will all tell India to restrain itself and, unfortunately, India will listen.

387 Green Helmet Guy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:14pm

re: #374 Shug

They are not "blind fools", no, they are willing accomplices. They know whose side they are on.

388 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:32pm

re: #374 Shug

Blind fools.
They are enablers of terror. Let's call it like it is.
A willing, dumbshit press like this guy aids these vermin in their cause of mayhem and terror.

I'm pretty darned sure this was perpetrated by a Muslim terrorist group, but you can't make authoritative pronouncements without having the facts in hand. There truly are other, non-Muslim terrorist groups in the area. Separatists, ethnic groups, etc.

Unlikely this was anything but Islamists, though.

389 LilyGecko  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:35pm

So, there's chaos and carnage in India...

Wait! Amy Winehouse is in a hospital again! Drop everything and focus on her!

//

re: #384 Occasional Reader

390 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:37pm

re: #376 ironbill

Stop deluding yourselves, my "progressive" friends

John McCain posts on LGF?!

391 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:40pm

From the transition's new chief national security spokesperson, Brooke Anderson:

"President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks."

392 Salamantis  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:49pm

re: #356 Harlequin

The radio station in chicago, WLS, likened this, to if a similar attack occured in downtown Manhattan.

Something is very wrong, when your religion is used for this. Very, very wrong.

As I stated on the preceding thread, the jihadis are also waging a continuous propaganda terror war aimed at US citizens, and one element of the recent news should, I believe, be taken as a case in point. Since it is highly likely that they lack the capacity to launch a massive co-ordinated Mumbai-style attack in a major US city, I believe that they calculatedly floated the NYC subway terror attack rumor at this time in order to maximize the terror effect of the Mumbai attack on Americans, so that we will fear such an attack here anyway. One of the maxims of chess is that the perception of a looming threat can be fully as effective in constraining one's adversary as its execution.

393 ornery elephant  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:57:50pm

I don't know what is more disturbing...this horrific terror attack, loss of life and hostage taking OR that the American people have elected "That One" in this day and age of worldwide evil. What the hell were we (collective, mind you) thinking?

I gotta bad feeling.

394 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:58:15pm

re: #368 gop_patriot

And I think it says something about President Bush and the way he's handled things after 9/11 that this type of coordinated attack hasn't happened here. I hope Obama's eyes have been opened and he grasps the depth of the threat we face in these Muslim Terrorists.

/btw FoxNews.com actually has "Muslim Terrorists" up on their front page. Good for them.

I remember Obama having a somewhat shaken look after his first real intelligence briefing? I wonder if there were any indicators - chatter and the like.

395 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:58:16pm

re: #383 lawhawk

The region would be much better off with Pakistan out of the way.

396 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:58:21pm

re: #345 MilkOfMalfeasance

Actually, according to the Indian news feed (from Fox) two top Indian anti-terrorist chiefs were killed...

397 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:58:30pm

re: #356 Harlequin

The radio station in chicago, WLS, likened this, to if a similar attack occured in downtown Manhattan.

Something is very wrong, when your religion is used for this. Very, very wrong.


This is not religion in any way that the Western mind understands it.
Neither public nor parochial schools in this country would be allowed to incorporate hate into the curriculum and maintain accreditation much less receive aid.
The exception is Islamic schools. Although they promised to quit using the hateful Whabbii texts, they continue to use them. They continue to be pandered to & receive aid.

398 califleftyb  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:58:40pm

From Al queida to Obama..."Welcome to the party, pal"

399 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:58:49pm

re: #319 A Kiwi Infidel

Reminds me of this Cox and Forkum 'toon

Kinda hard to do a LOL on a thread as dire as this one but here goes, lol.
May the Indian authorities succeed in their efforts. No civilized society deserves such pain and suffering (memories of 9/11). My thoughts and prayers are with the people of India and the hostages. I always lived my life with the idea of trying to make the lives of those I interact with easier since life is tough enough already. These extremists are hell bent on making everyone's life as hellish as their's. I still cannot wrap my mind around that mentality.

400 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:59:17pm

re: #383 lawhawk

Based on the scale and scope of the attack, combined with the targets, the Indians may begin treating this as not just a terrorist attack, but to consider that it would not be possible without ISI involvment, which bring more serious repercussions.

The terrorists may have had that in mind with this attack - engage in such a massive strike so as to imply that the Pakistanis were involved to sabotage already fragile relations between the two countries to cause an all out war (yet again), and the first between two nuclear powers to boot.

I was listening to reports earlier that the new Pakistan president was actually reaching out to India for an improvement in relations and trade. And that this attack was maybe a response from those in the Pakistan Government and Intelligence Services that do not agree with him and want to sabotage that effort.

401 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:59:36pm

re: #364 jcm

The enemy is smart, dedicated, resourceful, willing, and has very long term goals. To them anything in the name of cause is justifiable.

The is a very large operation, large in terms of resources than 9/11. It shows that they have operational security mastered not having the operation blown before hand. However given the nature of such groups I thinks it is a all or nothing type of operation. They are not capable of sustaining a operational tempo on this scale.

They don't have to sustain this in order to be effective. Life will change in India, just like it did here.

402 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:59:42pm

re: #386 Soona'

The westernized parts of the world are delusional. Condi, the UN, the EU, will all tell India to restrain itself and, unfortunately, India will listen.

True that

403 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 2:59:57pm

re: #394 Gearhead

I remember Obama having a somewhat shaken look after his first real intelligence briefing? I wonder if there were any indicators - chatter and the like.

He's probably already figuring out that Bush's anti-terror policies aren't so crazy after all.

404 joncelli  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:00:57pm

re: #400 Nevergiveup

The Paks would do more for their sovereignty by destroying the ISI than whining about US Reaper strikes.

405 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:01:00pm

re: #403 Spiny Norman

He's probably already figuring out that Bush's anti-terror policies aren't so crazy after all.

After all, he wouldnt have had the security clearance to know about them otherwise.

406 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:01:14pm

re: #403 Spiny Norman

He's probably already figuring out that Bush's anti-terror policies aren't so crazy after all.

Maybe his ego will help after all- he promised to do better, another 9-11, G-d Forbid, on HIS watch would kind of put a crimp in his legacy

407 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:01:18pm

The death toll is going to be much, much worse than the 80 now reported.

408 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:01:37pm

re: #404 joncelli

The Paks would do more for their sovereignty by destroying the ISI than whining about US Reaper strikes.

It's a hella lot easier to whine!

409 ironbill  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:01:46pm

Hopefully "The Office of the President Elect" will re-think the whole "free the Gitmo guys and let 'em move to Manhattan" plan.

410 Racer X  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:01:53pm

Gotta be the Jooooz fault.

/

411 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:02:15pm
412 Cathypop  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:02:18pm

re: #403 Spiny Norman
The really scary part is has he just now realized that Bush's anit-terror policies were for real?

413 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:02:35pm

re: #409 ironbill

Hopefully "The Office of the President Elect" will re-think the whole "free the Gitmo guys and let 'em move to Manhattan" plan.

I thought it was free the gitmo guys and let them move to Chicago?

414 commadore183  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:02:49pm

The fire at the Taj has flared up again, via NDTV.

God speed to the India authorities and the victims of this cowardly attack.

415 LGoPs  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:09pm

One instinctively refers to people like these as animals.......and then you realize, no that's an unfair comparison. Animals don't act this way and even the predatory ones do it to eat.

A much better characterization is rabid animals. And there's only one thing you can do with a rabid animal and it certainly doesn't involve dialogue or negotiation.......

416 undhimmicratic  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:18pm

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Looks like somebody saw it coming...when but not where?

417 Gearhead  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:18pm

re: #404 joncelli

The Paks would do more for their sovereignty by destroying the ISI than whining about US Reaper strikes.

Starting to happen already, according to Strategy Page

418 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:19pm

re: #410 Racer X

Gotta be the Jooooz fault.

/


Yeah- they were a part of this too, huh. . .sigh

419 Cognito  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:21pm

re: #407 Shiplord Kirel

The death toll is going to be much, much worse than the 80 now reported.

That's what I'm afraid of, too. They don't seem to have fully stopped the attack yet, from what I've seen, so any sort of toll will lag well behind.

420 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:31pm

re: #383 lawhawk

The terrorists may have had that in mind with this attack - engage in such a massive strike so as to imply that the Pakistanis were involved to sabotage already fragile relations between the two countries to cause an all out war (yet again), and the first between two nuclear powers to boot.

The target hotels were apparently extensively patronized by Indian security and other officials, so I agree they are absolutely trying to sabotage relations and provoke a war, if they can.

421 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:41pm

re: #415 LGoPs

One instinctively refers to people like these as animals.......and then you realize, no that's an unfair comparison. Animals don't act this way and even the predatory ones do it to eat.

A much better characterization is rabid animals. And there's only one thing you can do with a rabid animal and it certainly doesn't involve dialogue or negotiation.......

I like the way you think.

422 9Iron  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:44pm

Roe Conn on WLS Chicago just made a great point - "Those that refuse to live within civilization are doomed to never have a civilization."

We can't appease, they want the f*&@ing stone ages back.

Apparently earlier they had Rep. Mark Kirk on (I didn't hear), but Conn's take was that he had all but confirmed that there will be US casualties.

423 Cathypop  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:03:44pm

re: #413 Nevergiveup

Nope! Send them to Manhattan and their relatives to Chicago

424 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:02pm

Hotel Taj fire blazing again

425 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:07pm

Firstly, let me wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving.

Next, my sense of the outcome of this horrific act, in terms of US policies under Obama will be to "Ride the Tiger". Once you find yourself on the back of a mad, raving, vicious tiger, one must ride the beast until it is so weary that one may slay it.

Apparently Mr. Obama's education continues...

426 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:17pm

re: #413 Nevergiveup

I thought it was free the gitmo guys and let them move to Chicago?

Yeah- with all the good old Chi town guys gone to D.C. they will be some machine spots open. . .

427 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:30pm

re: #342 opnion

These attacks are horrible but they are only the result of a much deeper problem.

We truly are going to willfully blind ourselves to death! Communism/socialism's, etc's plan to make us morally and simply overall too confused to hold on to our Country, &/or make appropriate decisions on our own behalf... has worked. We have lost our compass.

428 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:49pm

I think it is well past time to cease referring to this as a War on Terror.
That is a concept, it would be like referring to the war against Hitler's germany as a rejection of people with bad attitudes.
It is a war against the global Islamic, Jihad.
They get it & so should we.

429 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:04:55pm

re: #413 Nevergiveup

I thought it was free the gitmo guys and let them move to Chicago?

Not in my 'hood, Bra!

430 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:05:22pm

FUCKING DIPSHIT MSM!

ABC radio news leads with...

Fire and explosion at Mubai hotel...

It's three sentences before they get to the "terror" part.

*SPIT*

431 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:07pm

re: #400 Nevergiveup

That sounds pretty reasonable. The problem with Pakistan is that it's not under a central control. The elected government doesn't control the secret service, they don't even have control over over their own territory.

432 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:07pm

re: #430 jcm

FUCKING DIPSHIT MSM!

ABC radio news leads with...

Fire and explosion at Mubai hotel...

It's three sentences before they get to the "terror" part.

*SPIT*

Yep- just like them to do that. . .BASTARDS!

433 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:09pm

re: #394 Gearhead

I remember Obama having a somewhat shaken look after his first real intelligence briefing? I wonder if there were any indicators - chatter and the like.

Obama is now getting daily intelligence briefings. I hope to hell reality is dawning. Better late than never.

434 In Excess  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:18pm

Now that Obama is moving into the drivers seat, does he still believe defeating evil should be done with some humility?

435 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:25pm

re: #430 jcm

FUCKING DIPSHIT MSM!

ABC radio news leads with...

Fire and explosion at Mubai hotel...

It's three sentences before they get to the "terror" part.

*SPIT*

But what about the cheerleader hazing scandal? They have nothing on that?

436 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:28pm

Hate to say this but the BBC actually has pretty coverage of this attack. Much better than FOX

437 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:40pm

Evening mates, 'me heart and prayers go out to our Indian brothers and sisters. Here is strategy Page's take on the ISI published this morning. Strategy Page is consistently on target and timely, I highly recommend them for a morning read.

438 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:06:58pm

re: #431 Killgore Trout

That sounds pretty reasonable. The problem with Pakistan is that it's not under a central control. The elected government doesn't control the secret service, they don't even have control over over their own territory.

How true. Sad isn't it?

439 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:07:31pm

The audio on the INN feed is almost incomprehensible.

440 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:07:45pm

re: #430 jcm

JCM, MSM's grasp of reality is at best tenuous. They need time to come to terms with a larger reality than many of them are capable of understanding.

Treat them as you would a person of very, very low intellect.

/SARC

441 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:07:55pm

I don't think that the NYC plot and the Mumbai attacks are directly related as Salamantis suggests above. However, the fact is that the terrorists haven't stopped their worldwide jihad and that they're constantly probing and looking for targets to exploit. Sadly, Mumbai is suffering the brunt today.

Tomorrow it will be somewhere else.

NYC and the US in general must continue to be on guard against terrorists who will use any and all means at their disposal to attack and murder and cause mayhem and destruction. Mumbai's cries are a vivid reminder of what is at stake for not remaining vigilant, and even what can happen even if we are. Disrupting plots before they can get a foothold is an absolute necessity. Killing terrorists where they operate is as well. Waiting until law enforcement handles matters usually means that the terrorists have struck and the affected individuals are picking up the pieces and forensic evidence. That is a doomed strategy to deal with Islamic terrorists who have the inclination to die for their goals.

442 Forever  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:08:16pm

I guess the far left and Islamists will defend this as being a set up by disguised Mossad agents, to discredit the Religion of Peace.

443 MandyManners  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:08:57pm

How does one say "Open Season" in Hindi?

444 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:09:05pm

Macy's thanksgiving Day parade tomorrow.
Lots of parades throughout America.
Lots of Children watching floats

I couldn't fathom a similar attack tomorrow. Pray for the Victims in India. Pray there are no more attacks anywhere. Pray for the Law enforcement agencies charged with keeping us safe.

445 Empire1  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:09:19pm

I'm shocked and revolted, but unfortunately not surprised by this attack. Just as unfortunately, the only thing I can do is pray for the victims and the Indian police and soldiers dealing with the terrorists.

I'd dearly love to see the Gurkhas and Sikhs turned loose on 'em! Those guys are good.

446 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:09:25pm

re: #428 opnion

I think it is well past time to cease referring to this as a War on Terror.
That is a concept, it would be like referring to the war against Hitler's germany as a rejection of people with bad attitudes.
It is a war against the global Islamic, Jihad.
They get it & so should we.

I absolutely agree with your statement,
terror somehow implies an interruption of the regularity of our lives, when it is indeed an attempt to take over the entire world and submit our lives to the laws of shariah.

447 Crusty  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:09:26pm

After a career of scrounging handouts, writing self-worshipping biographies, reading pre-written speeches and voting "present", now the plastic messiah must soon make actual, honest-to-goodness, life and death decisions.

I wish I could joke about this but it's really, really not funny right now.

448 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:09:29pm

re: #413 Nevergiveup

I thought it was free the gitmo guys and let them move to Chicago?

Or free the Gitmo guys appoint them to some gov. office.

449 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:09:31pm

re: #411 buzzsawmonkey

That depends on whether he regards himself as the leader of the United States or a "citizen of the world"--and whether the world he is citizen of is Dar el-Ummah or Dar ul-Harb.

He didn't get elected president by "the world." There's a lot of political realism behind the 'hope/change' facade. If he doesn't protect Americans, he has no chance of being re-elected, and that seems to be priority #1 for anyone at 1600 Pennsylvania.

450 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:10:26pm

re: #444 Shug

Shit don't give em any ideas?
/just kidding. Kind of?

451 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:10:30pm

Good lord. Someone on BBC being interviewed by phone said, "... firing indiscriminately, but the terrorists appear to be very young, they probably just didn't know what they were doing." Yes, the poor dears! They're just acting out.

452 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:10:32pm

re: #441 lawhawk

I also heard (early on) about a delegation staying at the Taj Hotel -- it was a European Union delegation -- the EU people were meeting with Indian officials -- it was about developing a closer relationship between Europe and India.

453 jamgarr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:10:58pm

Hundreds still in Taj.
Terrorists still on 6th Floor.

/per CNN

454 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:11:37pm
455 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:11:44pm

re: #452 J.S.

I also heard (early on) about a delegation staying at the Taj Hotel -- it was a European Union delegation -- the EU people were meeting with Indian officials -- it was about developing a closer relationship between Europe and India.

Apparently they all got out safe. knowing the EU guys, they probably stampeded over women and children?

456 jamgarr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:11:52pm

re: #453 jamgarr

Hundreds still in Taj.
Terrorists still on 6th Floor.

/per CNN


Sorry -per MSNBC

457 Lee Coller  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:19pm

re: #393 ornery elephant

I don't know what is more disturbing...this horrific terror attack, loss of life and hostage taking OR that the American people have elected "That One" in this day and age of worldwide evil. What the hell were we (collective, mind you) thinking?

I gotta bad feeling.

You really don't? Equating a terrorist attack with the election of Obama? I sure know which is more disturbing.

458 FrogMarch  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:23pm

re: #430 jcm

FUCKING DIPSHIT MSM!

ABC radio news leads with...

Fire and explosion at Mubai hotel...

It's three sentences before they get to the "terror" part.

*SPIT*

I detest ABC radio news. It's total crap. During the election ABC news was dripping with positive spin for Obama & negative spin for McCain. Nothing but. Unprofessional hacks.

459 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:28pm

re: #453 jamgarr

Hundreds still in Taj.
Terrorists still on 6th Floor.

/per CNN

Yes, NDTV : situations not under control at Taj and Trident

460 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:29pm

re: #456 jamgarr

Sorry -per MSNBC

What's MSNBC?

461 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:37pm

The fire at the Taj is spreading fast again.

462 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:42pm
463 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:12:47pm

I will sign off now- but before I go-

I have read many posts about the blind spots in the psyche that is MSM and others who refuse to see the threat this kind of violence to a way of life.

G-d forbid another attack here, but if we, as a nation, continue to turn our eyes away from the reality staring us in the face with evil intent clearly present, it is not if, but when.

I remember Samuel's statement to Saul ' YOU HAVE BEEN MERCIFUL when you should HAVE BEEN WITHOUT MERCY, and you have been WITHOUT MERCIFUL when you should have been' Saul did not slay the enemies of Israel,and they killed many, then Saul killed those who should have been spared.

The moral? Refusing to see evil and immoral behavior for what it is will set you up to free those that slaughter innocents, and by the same token, such a refusal will cause you to slaughter the innocent.

I am going to hug my children, pray for my soldier sons in 'Stan and Iraq, and cry.

Ema

464 jamgarr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:13:36pm

re: #460 Nevergiveup

What's MSNBC?


LOL! (I'm semi-masochist)

465 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:14:06pm

re: #464 jamgarr

LOL! (I'm semi-masochist)

I'm just lucky. FIOS doesn't carry it.

466 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:14:29pm

re: #442 Forever

I guess the far left and Islamists will defend this as being a set up by disguised Mossad agents, to discredit the Religion of Peace.

TROOF!

467 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:14:40pm

re: #447 Crusty

After a career of scrounging handouts, writing self-worshipping biographies, reading pre-written speeches and voting "present", now the plastic messiah must soon make actual, honest-to-goodness, life and death decisions.

I wish I could joke about this but it's really, really not funny right now.

Yep, wonder how many are wishing they had their vote to do over. . .

468 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:14:41pm
469 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:14:50pm

re: #455 Nevergiveup

oook...(say, I believe it was last night, did you catch the CBC's The National which had a feature about India and high tech -- all these multi-billion dollar industries -- Microsoft, IBM, etc. -- establishing these bases in India -- ?)

470 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:15:33pm

re: #451 Occasional Reader

Good lord. Someone on BBC being interviewed by phone said, "... firing indiscriminately, but the terrorists appear to be very young, they probably just didn't know what they were doing." Yes, the poor dears! They're just acting out.

Mis-directed anger. Oh my!

471 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:15:38pm

From my understanding of what is going on in the global war on terror, is that President Bush will be remembered for decisively defeating radical Islamic terrorism in Iraq, which lead to the more moderate radicals and moderate Muslims turning away from supporting the Al Quaada and the Taliban for their indiscriminate slaughter of innocent Muslim civilians. Terrorism is declining world-wide believe it or not, because of attacks like seen today in India.

472 Spiny Norman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:15:47pm

re: #442 Forever

I guess the far left and Islamists will defend this as being a set up by disguised Mossad agents, to discredit the Religion of Peace.

CIA, per HuffPo.

Seriously.

473 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:16:00pm

re: #463 DisturbedEma

I will sign off now- but before I go-

I have read many posts about the blind spots in the psyche that is MSM and others who refuse to see the threat this kind of violence is to a way of life.

G-d forbid another attack here, but if we, as a nation, continue to turn our eyes away from the reality staring us in the face with evil intent clearly present, it is not if, but when.

I remember Samuel's statement to Saul ' YOU HAVE BEEN MERCIFUL when you should HAVE BEEN WITHOUT MERCY, and you have been WITHOUT MERCY when you should have been' Saul did not slay the enemies of Israel,and they killed many, then Saul killed those who should have been spared.

The moral? Refusing to see evil and immoral behavior for what it is will set you up to free those that slaughter innocents, and by the same token, such a refusal will cause you to slaughter the innocent.

I am going to hug my children, pray for my soldier sons in 'Stan and Iraq, and cry.

Ema


Fixed sigh

474 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:16:41pm

re: #235 opnion

Does have that feel doesn't it?

I wish it didn't, but it does.

475 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:17:06pm

re: #472 Spiny Norman

Ok, so they think a Jew is behind EVERYTHING....but don't call them Anti-Semitic.

476 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:17:08pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

Well, it's certainly not "the MS." ("emess" = "truth" in Hebrew)

could be "emesis" which is the tecnical word for throwing up. . .

477 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:17:28pm
478 bosforus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:17:30pm

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody! See ya next week! Stay safe.

479 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:17:47pm

re: #475 WrathofG-d

Ok, so they think a Jew is behind EVERYTHING....but don't call them Anti-Semitic.

Yeah, they are just against Jews having a place to live in peace, they want pieces. . .

480 pat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:18:01pm

Muslims have a well deserved inferiority complex.

481 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:18:09pm

re: #460 Nevergiveup

What's MSNBC?

Nothing you need to worry about.

482 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:18:13pm

re: #473 DisturbedEma

Fixed sigh

You and your family is in our prayers, mate!

483 WrathofG-d  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:18:40pm

re: #479 DisturbedEma

no, no, no....you don't understand. Arabs deserve a 24th Country more than Jews deserve 1.

484 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:18:42pm

re: #482 LoFlyer

You and your family is in our prayers, mate!

A trove of thanks to ye. . .

485 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:19:18pm

re: #483 WrathofG-d

no, no, no....you don't understand. Arabs deserve a 24th Country more than Jews deserve 1.

Yeah, I am such a silly Jew. . .sorry

486 Maximu§  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:19:18pm

Time for entire regions of Pakistan to be flattened out.......and do we even have the guts to wage war like that anymore? Our MBA generals and admirals don't inspire much confidence in this old soldier.

487 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:19:38pm

Watching brave firefighters going up on ladders to rescue people out of the Taj.
wow. what guts and professionalism

488 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:19:49pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

I would say "you're kidding," but I know you're not.

Okay, it was someone Agrawal, apparently a Mumbai radio announcer (with a very American accent). I will say, she did also go on to call them "terrorists", etc.; but the moral confusion is evident in the language.

489 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:19:51pm

Love to you all- prayers for India. . .and the world.

Em

490 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:20:29pm

re: #477 reine.de.tout

In other, sort of related news:
18 Women From Iraq Suicide Bombing Network Surrender to U.S. Forces

Thanks for a little good news.

491 yah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:21:37pm

I set myself on fire 55 years ago when I was 4. I still remember it.

It is the LAST way I would want to go.

492 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:21:40pm

I don't think was centrally planned in the same sense as a military operation.

In this case, a single command, possibly even a single person, would recruit and finance existing jihadi cells, each of which would be assigned an objective according to its contacts and capabilities. It is possible that each cell would be asked to select its own target, and submit it for approval and support from the organizers. These would be instructed to stay at continuous readiness to attack in response to a specific triggering event, to be organized by the central command. It looks as though the assassination of the anti-terror chief was that event.
The impression of precision is misleading, and therefore a good media strategy for the terrorists, since we only know about the cells that carried out their operations, and not about the ones who failed for one reason or another. There may be many of the latter.

493 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:22:02pm

Notice the definite lack of live interviews. If this were America, the press would be screaming their bloody heads off for every detail. And they would also want to know in real time what the police and/or troops were doing so the terrorists could also hear?

494 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:22:34pm

When will we start staging retaliatory attacks?

495 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:22:46pm

I've been to Mumbai several times, never stayed at the Taj but have being in it and had a few drinks there. The hotel is easily accessible to the public, unlike the other hotels over there I didn't notice a lot of security preventing something like this from happening (other hotels have a buffer area separating it from the street, the Taj doesn't).

Have a few friends/co-workers in Mumbai, emailed them but of course haven't heard back, I'm praying they and their families are safe and doing well.

I was also in Hyderabad, earlier this year and they've also had recent terrorist attacks but nothing of this magnitude. Hope they catch the culprits alive so they can be punished accordingly.

496 stevieray  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:22:53pm

re: #444 Shug

It is already tomorrow in India. If the same happens here on Thanksgiving, it will be written for the history books as the same date.

497 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:23:04pm

re: #494 kmclay

Against who?

498 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:23:04pm

re: #477 reine.de.tout

In other, sort of related news:
18 Women From Iraq Suicide Bombing Network Surrender to U.S. Forces

re: #490 Occasional Reader

Thanks for a little good news.

After all these years,,, finally ,,, one group sits down and says ,,,

' We have to do WHAT !?!?!?!?!?"

499 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:23:17pm

re: #451 Occasional Reader

Good lord. Someone on BBC being interviewed by phone said, "... firing indiscriminately, but the terrorists appear to be very young, they probably just didn't know what they were doing." Yes, the poor dears! They're just acting out.

'Not knowing what they are doing? No a yoot with his hat on backwards driving way too fast doesn't know He's doing. Yoots who storm hotels , take & kill hostages know what they are doing.

500 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:23:21pm

IAEA has approved nuclear aid for Syria? Madness!

501 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:24:01pm

re: #461 Killgore Trout

The fire at the Taj is spreading fast again.

What's not burned will be ruined by water

502 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:24:06pm

re: #486 Maximu§

Time for entire regions of Pakistan to be flattened out.......and do we even have the guts to wage war like that anymore? Our MBA generals and admirals don't inspire much confidence in this old soldier.

One of the reason's I got out of the service was that our leaders were going "corporate" Navy than being real, kick ass fighters. However I have much faith in our younger sailors and officers who have proven they can do any job given to them if they are allowed to fight without being micro-managed. Arrr!

503 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:24:09pm

re: #493 Nevergiveup

There doesn't seem to be any Indian government officials coming forward -- no leadership whatsoever...nobody seems to understand what's really going on -- no centralized info from anti-terrorist units, etc.

504 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:25:21pm

re: #503 J.S.

There doesn't seem to be any Indian government officials coming forward -- no leadership whatsoever...nobody seems to understand what's really going on -- no centralized info from anti-terrorist units, etc.

Well not sure about that. They probably know alot more than they are saying. Which is the correct thing to do. I was making fun of the western press.

505 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:26:17pm

re: #503 J.S.

There doesn't seem to be any Indian government officials coming forward -- no leadership whatsoever...nobody seems to understand what's really going on -- no centralized info from anti-terrorist units, etc.

Give them a while to sort this out mates, they are still slugging it out at the Taj...

506 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:26:36pm

re: #504 Nevergiveup

It sounds chaotic..and confused...no central authority/command unit...

507 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:26:40pm

Up to 16 locations attacked, says BBC

508 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:27:44pm

re: #503 J.S.

There doesn't seem to be any Indian government officials coming forward -- no leadership whatsoever...nobody seems to understand what's really going on -- no centralized info from anti-terrorist units, etc.

Why should they? It's an ongoing fluid situtaion. I would rather have them taking care of the problem rather than doing PR work!

509 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:28:17pm

re: #486 Maximu§

Time for entire regions of Pakistan to be flattened out.......and do we even have the guts to wage war like that anymore? Our MBA generals and admirals don't inspire much confidence in this old soldier.

William T. Sherman understood war.
War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.

War is the remedy our enemies have chosen and I say give them all they want.

510 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:28:55pm

This is how the world ends folks, with an Islamic bang. The West cannot do anything more than plug leaks because the West will not do what it takes. Good luck O', looks like you may have bitten off more than you can chew.

511 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:28:55pm

re: #497 IslandLibertarian

There are some nice hotels in Mecca I'm told...

512 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:28:59pm

re: #508 sattv4u2

Why should they? It's an ongoing fluid situtaion. I would rather have them taking care of the problem rather than doing PR work!

PR, The Clinton method of fighting terrorism.

513 yah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:29:11pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

I sincerely apologize for my snarky comment to you on another thread.
And then you complimented me by calling me a regular. I never felt I contributed enough to be considered a regular. Thank You.

514 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:29:52pm

re: #508 sattv4u2

O come on... as if this is the first terrorist attack in India? this has been going on for decades now...I really expect better...(they should have coordinated plans in place -- emergency response teams, etc -- official in charge, etc -- but, maybe that's too much to expect?)

515 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:29:54pm

are any "moderate" moslems going to condemn such evil?
when will that happen.
silence speaks volumes.

516 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:30:52pm

re: #512 FurryOldGuyJeans

PR, The Clinton method of fighting terrorism.

exactly. I'm all for Freedom of the Press, but they should wait till this is sorted out, not demanding to know what the cops/ military are PLANNING to do

517 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:31:23pm

I have never understood the mentality of radical terrorists with a mission from Allah to kill everyone they can in the misguided notion that the unbelievers will simply give in to religious intellectual slavery. No sane human wants to be slaughtered much less live as slaves for a fanatical religious ideology...

518 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:31:45pm

re: #515 nyc redneck

are any "moderate" moslems going to condemn such evil?
when will that happen.
silence speaks volumes.

I hope you ain't holding your breath?

519 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:31:51pm

A senior minister of the state of Maharashtra was giving a press conference, viewed on CNN streaming video. Unfortunately between the lousy reception--sounded like they were transmitting over cellphone--and the thick accent, I couldn't understand even when they were speaking English.

Unfortunately several senior personnel were apparently killed in the initial terror attack, and I hope that did not disrupt the counterterror forces.

I would not expect military / police forces to be giving briefings until they've run out of useful things to do.

520 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:31:56pm

re: #492 Shiplord Kirel

I don't think was centrally planned in the same sense as a military operation.

In this case, a single command, possibly even a single person, would recruit and finance existing jihadi cells, each of which would be assigned an objective according to its contacts and capabilities. It is possible that each cell would be asked to select its own target, and submit it for approval and support from the organizers. These would be instructed to stay at continuous readiness to attack in response to a specific triggering event, to be organized by the central command. It looks as though the assassination of the anti-terror chief was that event.
The impression of precision is misleading, and therefore a good media strategy for the terrorists, since we only know about the cells that carried out their operations, and not about the ones who failed for one reason or another. There may be many of the latter.

A nice theory and wishful thinking. I do not underestimate these people's ability to execute operational command and control. It seems this was an operation that was not only well planned, but the timing is just too precise to be attributed to loosely autonomuous groups of terrorists. Please, do not underestimate these animals.

521 commadore183  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:32:11pm

re: #514 J.S.

O come on... as if this is the first terrorist attack in India? this has been going on for decades now...I really expect better...(they should have coordinated plans in place -- emergency response teams, etc -- official in charge, etc -- but, maybe that's too much to expect?)

Truthfully, I don't think the Indian government expected an attack like this happening. Most previous attacks have been bombings and a few gunmen shooting and tossing grenades, not a few teams of terrorists attacking multiple sites like this.

522 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:32:31pm

re: #518 Nevergiveup

I hope you ain't holding your breath?

i'm drinking scotch.

523 stevieray  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:32:37pm

re: #515 nyc redneck

are any "moderate" moslems going to condemn such evil?
when will that happen.
silence speaks volumes.

I want condemnations without the usual postscript of "others do it too".

524 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:32:47pm

re: #514 J.S.

O come on... as if this is the first terrorist attack in India? this has been going on for decades now...I really expect better...(they should have coordinated plans in place -- emergency response teams, etc -- official in charge, etc -- but, maybe that's too much to expect?)

That wasn;'t what your post was about. It was bemoaning that there wasn't an Indian official in front of TV cameras giving a Press Briefing.

I'll bet dollars to donuts they are executing (emphasis intended) their coordinated plans in place -- emergency response teams

525 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:33:51pm

re: #521 commadore183

Some reports are also suggesting that the terrorists arrived by boats..

526 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:33:55pm

Foxnews got it right :

Indian troops and Mumbai police battle MUSLIM terrorists holding westerners hostage in hotels

527 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:34:08pm

re: #507 Occasional Reader

Up to 16 locations attacked, says BBC

/yep, this is major, professional mini Tet offensive

528 yah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:34:21pm

re: #514 J.S.

O come on... as if this is the first terrorist attack in India? this has been going on for decades now...I really expect better...(they should have coordinated plans in place -- emergency response teams, etc -- official in charge, etc -- but, maybe that's too much to expect?)


Maybe I'll rent "Ghandi" this weekend. It sorta had a "happy" ending but I found it very depressing.

529 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:34:21pm

re: #522 nyc redneck

i'm drinking scotch.

OK well if you insist I think I will join ya, but I got to leave some for tomorrow so I can be properly soused before joining my liberal moonbat family for Thanksgiving.

530 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:34:22pm

re: #511 kmclay

Let's not go there.

531 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:34:27pm

re: #451 Occasional Reader

Good lord. Someone on BBC being interviewed by phone said, "... firing indiscriminately, but the terrorists appear to be very young, they probably just didn't know what they were doing." Yes, the poor dears! They're just acting out.

See my post @ #285.

532 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:34:45pm

re: #524 sattv4u2

Nope. You've misread my original post..

533 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:35:25pm
534 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:35:31pm

re: #531 GeeWiz

See my post @ #285.

9/11, spontaneous sight seeing gone horrible wrong?

535 commadore183  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:35:38pm

re: #525 J.S.

Some reports are also suggesting that the terrorists arrived by boats..

Damn. I don't think many people saw that coming.

536 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:35:40pm

re: #529 Nevergiveup

OK well if you insist I think I will join ya, but I got to leave some for tomorrow so I can be properly soused before joining my liberal moonbat family for Thanksgiving.

let me pour you a glass.
it really is a hard liquor evening.

537 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:36:10pm

re: #530 The Other Les

sigh. That's right. Let's let them come after us.

538 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:36:12pm

re: #532 J.S.

Nope. You've misread my original post..

There doesn't seem to be any Indian government officials coming forward -- no leadership whatsoever...nobody seems to understand what's really going on -- no centralized info from anti-terrorist units, etc.


which part !?!?!?!

539 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:36:29pm

re: #515 nyc redneck

are any "moderate" moslems going to condemn such evil?
when will that happen.
silence speaks volumes.

They might not be speaking out against this publicly but privately most have given up their support for the most radical elements such as Al Quaada. Terroristic acts have fallen world-wide over the last several years. This is a rude awakening for India and Obama. This is India's 911.

540 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:36:30pm

re: #510 SFGoth

because the West will not do what it takes

wrong --- it is a matter of how many more will die first

541 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:36:50pm

re: #511 kmclay

There are some nice hotels in Mecca I'm told...

Targets are usually "Command and Control", unless you want to inflame Muslims all over the world. Then go ahead and play tit for tat.
I say start in the border region of Afghanistan-Pakistan.
And kill them dead.

542 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:37:17pm

re: #520 Soona'

A nice theory and wishful thinking. I do not underestimate these people's ability to execute operational command and control. It seems this was an operation that was not only well planned, but the timing is just too precise to be attributed to loosely autonomuous groups of terrorists. Please, do not underestimate these animals.

I am not underestimating them, it's just that I have read Mao and Che and the other icons of terrorist strategy and organization. I spelled out exactly how it could be coordinated. How, then, am I underestimating their capacity for command and control?
It is a mistake to believe that an enemy must have acted according to your preconceptions simply because his plans work. At this point, I doubt that you read my entire post.

543 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:37:21pm

Apparently still terrorists in Taj hotel.

545 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:38:30pm

re: #538 sattv4u2

No command and control -- no centralized authorities -- and, this is NOT about "PR" -- it's about communications!

546 Maximu§  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:38:59pm

re: #509 jcm

We're being attacked because the Muslim terrorists see weakness....

-they see a PC Navy floating around having "diversity" classes.

-they see Marines and Army soldiers being followed around by military lawyers waiting to prosecute them at every turn.

-they see our country on its knee's financially.

-they see the FBI refusing to include the word "Islam" in regards to terrorists attacks.

-they see the media openly supporting their cause.

No wonder their on the move.

547 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:39:16pm

re: #541 IslandLibertarian

Targets are usually "Command and Control", unless you want to inflame Muslims all over the world. Then go ahead and play tit for tat.
I say start in the border region of Afghanistan-Pakistan.
And kill them dead.

I say yes to all of the above.

548 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:39:19pm

re: #519 transient

A senior minister of the state of Maharashtra was giving a press conference, viewed on CNN streaming video. Unfortunately between the lousy reception--sounded like they were transmitting over cellphone--and the thick accent, I couldn't understand even when they were speaking English.

Unfortunately several senior personnel were apparently killed in the initial terror attack, and I hope that did not disrupt the counterterror forces.

I would not expect military / police forces to be giving briefings until they've run out of useful things to do.

On the Reuters clip it shows a police official carrying his comrade who has been shot in the stomach. I suspect this was one of the dead officials....

549 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:39:44pm

re: #537 kmclay

Collective punishment is the tactic used by schoolteachers and National Socialist death squads.

550 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:40:40pm

re: #526 Flying Dutchman

Foxnews got it right :

Indian troops and Mumbai police battle MUSLIM terrorists guys who happen to live in my neighborhood holding westerners hostage in hotels


Fixed that for you.

551 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:40:43pm

re: #545 J.S.

No command and control -- no centralized authorities -- and, this is NOT about "PR" -- it's about communications!

Well,, I don;'t know what vantage point you're watching from, but I see MASSIVE amounts of Indian Army/ Police in place and they don,t seem to be milling around and bumping into each other! I see them entering the Taj hotel from all angles, including a cherry picker raised to an upper floor!

552 2by2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:40:59pm

good night lizards,
G'd bless all the Indians and the victims of today's attack, the bastards who did this shall rot in hell!
Despite all this happy thanksgiving to all.

553 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:41:13pm

re: #546 Maximu§

We're being attacked because the Muslim terrorists see weakness....

-they see a PC Navy floating around having "diversity" classes.

-they see Marines and Army soldiers being followed around by military lawyers waiting to prosecute them at every turn.

-they see our country on its knee's financially.

-they see the FBI refusing to include the word "Islam" in regards to terrorists attacks.

-they see the media openly supporting their cause.

No wonder their on the move.

I haven't been made to take a pc class yet, but can't argue with anything else you said!

554 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:41:26pm

re: #549 The Other Les

Collective punishment is the tactic used by schoolteachers and National Socialist death squads.

Not to mention piss poor managers at work....

555 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:41:35pm

re: #520 Soona'

A nice theory and wishful thinking. I do not underestimate these people's ability to execute operational command and control. It seems this was an operation that was not only well planned, but the timing is just too precise to be attributed to loosely autonomuous groups of terrorists. Please, do not underestimate these animals.

Going to back up SK on this one. This is exactly how Hamas and other highly compartmentalized terrorist organizations work. Targets are reconnoitered and selected by cells, operational planning and logistics arranged, but the "GO" signal is given by a central command authority sitting somewhere safe.

No one is underestimating them. It is a highly effective method of operation.

556 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:41:56pm

I'd love to hear the angry denunciations of this atrocity from the goodwill Ambassadors of Kozistan.

557 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:42:13pm

re: #551 sattv4u2

Right now they're replaying the police jeep with "police" in stolen uniforms opening up automatic weapons on a crowd...

558 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:42:19pm

re: #549 The Other Les

Collective punishment is the tactic used by schoolteachers and National Socialist death squads.

Pardon me. That should read "public school teachers."

559 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:42:22pm

re: #546 Maximu§

We're being attacked because the Muslim terrorists see weakness....

-they see a PC Navy floating around having "diversity" classes.

-they see Marines and Army soldiers being followed around by military lawyers waiting to prosecute them at every turn.

-they see our country on its knee's financially.

-they see the FBI refusing to include the word "Islam" in regards to terrorists attacks.

-they see the media openly supporting their cause.

No wonder their on the move.

As long as the terrorist see an "upside" to terror they will continue.
Stopping terrorism requires such tactics come with such a high price as to become unthinkable.

You are correct, the west and we are seen as weak, divided, lacking will and willing to accommodate to avoid bloodshed.

560 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:42:27pm

re: #451 Occasional Reader

Good lord. Someone on BBC being interviewed by phone said, "... firing indiscriminately, but the terrorists appear to be very young, they probably just didn't know what they were doing." Yes, the poor dears! They're just acting out.

You know, when Jesus, while on the cross, said something quite similar to the BBC it was, well, it was apropos and deeply meaningful. The BBC, on the other hand, is gag worthy sanctimonious.

561 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:42:58pm

re: #554 LoFlyer

Not to mention piss poor managers at work....

(grin)

562 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:43:10pm

re: #557 J.S.

Right now they're replaying the police jeep with "police" in stolen uniforms opening up automatic weapons on a crowd...

And thats the fault of the Indian Authorities,, , that "uniforms" were "stolen",,,, Wanna bet I can get one of those online somewhere ?!?!?!?!?!?

563 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:43:15pm

re: #549 The Other Les

Collective punishment is the tactic used by schoolteachers and National Socialist death squads.

And Zionists. Don't forget Zionists.
/

565 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:43:38pm

I'm watching Sky News in London. They are saying this isn't so bad - "Mumbai's been attacked so many times already". Really. As if to say, "who cares?" Now they are talking about how 'desperately young' the attackers are and that the attackers came into the restaurant at the Taj and rounded up the Westerners. So much for the old Command and Control situation.

566 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:43:58pm

re: #123 Nevergiveup

I am not so sure. he may very well be a dam socialist, but I never got the impression he is stupid. I don't like his taste in women or preachers, but that's another story.

"smart" as in common sense or street smarts. he may have a lot of book learning, and the political savvy to survive on the South Side, but the real world ain't Chi-town, and political bullshit ain't leadership......

567 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:00pm

The French Maquis and the Irish Republican Army also both used a system of loosely affiliated cells that could act in concert when needed. It is simply a matter of the central planner obtaining their cooperation and arranging for crystal clear and therefore very simple communication at the appointed time. We still don't know how many jihadis, if any, were part of the planned operation but failed to act.
The anti-terror chief's presence at a neigborhood police station in the middle of the night indicates that there may have been at least some warning of an attack.

568 snowcrash  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:18pm

IBNLive news reporting Chabad House "Nariman House" suffered early attack. No reports of casualities or injuries but "perhaps foreign nationals are hostage". Is within walking distance of Taj Hotel. Anyone else hear anything?

569 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:20pm

BBL mates, I got to feed my canine mates!

570 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:20pm

re: #557 J.S.

Right now they're replaying the police jeep with "police" in stolen uniforms opening up automatic weapons on a crowd...

re: #562 sattv4u2

And thats the fault of the Indian Authorities,, , that "uniforms" were "stolen",,,, Wanna bet I can get one of those online somewhere ?!?!?!?!?!?

Wanna bet I can get a Jeep, put it in an auto shop, and a week later have it come out looking like a "police jeep" !?!?!

571 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:28pm

re: #547 kmclay

I say yes to all of the above.

Well I must say I admire your straight forward attitude..........Give BlackWater a call.

572 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:38pm

re: #564 WrathofG-d

Old news, at least to me.

573 commadore183  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:44:41pm

CNN-IBN's online feed showed the last few minutes of the slain ATS chief before he went to engage the terrorists. In his fifties and went in to lead his men, he died fighting for the freedom of Mumbai. May God bless his soul and his family, as well as the families of the victims and the rescuers.

574 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:45:01pm

re: #562 sattv4u2

No. that's not what I'm saying. It's that the whole situation for quite some time was chaoic and not at all under control..even now, I don't think the situation is under control..

575 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:45:37pm

re: #542 Shiplord Kirel

I am not underestimating them, it's just that I have read Mao and Che and the other icons of terrorist strategy and organization. I spelled out exactly how it could be coordinated. How, then, am I underestimating their capacity for command and control?
It is a mistake to believe that an enemy must have acted according to your preconceptions simply because his plans work. At this point, I doubt that you read my entire post.

Yes, I read your post. What I was trying to emphysize is the fact that we must not rule out their ability to change the way they operate.

576 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:45:38pm

re: #550 gmsc

Fixed that for you.

Thanks' !

577 Daisy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:45:58pm

re: #521 commadore183

Truthfully, I don't think the Indian government expected an attack like this happening. Most previous attacks have been bombings and a few gunmen shooting and tossing grenades, not a few teams of terrorists attacking multiple sites like this.

Bangaladesh? [Link: islamicterrorism.wordpress.com...]

578 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:45:59pm

re: #571 IslandLibertarian

Well I must say I admire your straight forward attitude..........Give BlackWater a call.

With pleasure. Spent the day at the Churchill War Room and Museum. Must have stiffened my spine.

579 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:46:23pm

re: #566 redc1c4

"smart" as in common sense or street smarts. he may have a lot of book learning, and the political savvy to survive on the South Side, but the real world ain't Chi-town, and political bullshit ain't leadership......

It was just in reference to the fact that I think Obama will be "smart" enough to keep his yap shut to a great extend during a foreign policy crisis such as this other than than a few platitudes and leave this to the President.

580 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:46:45pm
581 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:46:54pm

re: #559 jcm

As long as the terrorist see an "upside" to terror they will continue.
Stopping terrorism requires such tactics come with such a high price as to become unthinkable.

You are correct, the west and we are seen as weak, divided, lacking will and willing to accommodate to avoid bloodshed.

How can there be a downside to Islamic terror? If they get away they win. If they get killed that's a really big win.

The false prophet Mohammed ordered his followers to wage war against those who refuse to submit. As long as Islam exists there will be Islamic terrorism.

582 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:47:42pm

re: #467 DisturbedEma

Yep, wonder how many are wishing they had their vote to do over. . .

anyone smart enough to want a do over has no excuse to have voted that way to begin with.

583 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:48:21pm

re: #579 Nevergiveup

It was just in reference to the fact that I think Obama will be "smart" enough to keep his yap shut to a great extend during a foreign policy crisis such as this other than than a few platitudes and leave this to the President.

So far all the Messiah-King has pontificated on is the wisdom of using Clinton retreads to bring change and borrowing even more money for bailouts.

584 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:48:46pm

New reports of firing in the new wing.

585 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:48:55pm

re: #570 sattv4u2

I came fairly close to having my Nissan pickup become a Mexican police truck back in the late 90s.

586 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:49:03pm

re: #579 Nevergiveup

It was just in reference to the fact that I think Obama will be "smart" enough to keep his yap shut to a great extend during a foreign policy crisis such as this other than than a few platitudes and leave this to the President.

hope you're right..... wait until he doesn't have anyone to hide behind.

/we're screwed

587 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:49:31pm
588 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:50:02pm

re: #534 jcm

9/11, spontaneous sight seeing gone horrible wrong?

No, you missed my point. I was trying to illustrate the difference between a religious belief and an evil endeavor. Followers of a religion would not encourage the activities of the jihadis but rather condemn them as Christ would.

589 The Other Les  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:50:15pm

re: #565 kmclay

I'm watching Sky News in London. They are saying this isn't so bad - "Mumbai's been attacked so many times already". Really. As if to say, "who cares?" Now they are talking about how 'desperately young' the attackers are and that the attackers came into the restaurant at the Taj and rounded up the Westerners. So much for the old Command and Control situation.

Correction: Collective punishment is practiced by teachers in public schools, National Socialists, and Jihadis.

590 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:50:55pm

re: #585 Fenway_Nation

I came fairly close to having my Nissan pickup become a Mexican police truck back in the late 90s.

i'm fairly certain my 63 Willys pickup did.... %-(

591 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:51:09pm

Amit Varma: A Night Out In Mumbai

This is turning out to be one crazy night. A friend of mine had an opening of her art exhibition a few hours ago, so we ventured to South Bombay for that. We attended the exhibition, sipped the litchee juice, nibbled on party snacks, and then six of us headed out for dinner. First we tried Indigo Deli, which is a couple of hundred metres from the Taj. We were told there would be a 25-minute wait. So we headed to All Stir Fry, the restaurant in the Gordon House Hotel in a lane down from there. They told us we’d have to wait 20 minutes. We stepped out again, and as we did so, we heard gunshots, and saw people running towards us from the left side.

One of the hotel employees rushed out and told us to get back in. “There must have been an encounter,” he said. “Get back in, you’ll be safe inside.”

We followed him in. We waited in the lounge-bar upstairs for a while. The big screen there was showing cricket. India won. Then someone changed the channel.

That’s when we realised that this was much more than a random police encounter, or a couple of gunshots. We heard that terrorists with AK-47s had opened fire outside Leopold’s, the pub down the road. We heard there was firing elsewhere in the city as well, including in the Taj. We watched transfixed, and as the apparent scale of the incidents grew, we realised we couldn’t go home. We asked if they had a room vacant; they did, so we settled in, switched on the TV, and watched in horror.

592 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:51:30pm

re: #574 J.S.

No. that's not what I'm saying. It's that the whole situation for quite some time was chaoic and not at all under control..even now, I don't think the situation is under control..

Keep moving the goalposts. Your 1st post lamented that no Government Officials "coming forward". Then you stated there was no "centralized authorities, no command and control" (I pointed out that the seige by the Military/ Police was coordinated). And that the Indians musn't be too vigilant because the attackers had Police Unis and a Jeep ( Go to E-BAY,,, you can get both, I'll bet) NOW your saying the situation has been chaotic and isn't under control. As my 14 year old says ,,, DUHHH!

593 Maximu§  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:51:51pm

Welcome to the real world Obama!

President Bush and his team have been dealing with this daily since 9/11....are you and your team ready?

594 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:11pm

re: #585 Fenway_Nation

I came fairly close to having my Nissan pickup become a Mexican police truck back in the late 90s.

Just one more can of spray paint , huh !?!?

595 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:18pm
596 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:27pm

big blast inside the oberei hotel

597 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:31pm

re: #593 Maximu§

Welcome to the real world Obama!

President Bush and his team have been dealing with this daily since 9/11....are you and your team ready?

Maybe he can organize this community!

598 yah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:32pm

re: #544 WrathofG-d

Very thread worthy. Makes me feel hopeless. This insane barbarity in India and now the UN says the Phakestinians are being crucified? Nuts.
Worse than nuts. I don't have a word for it.

599 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:52pm

splodeydope?

600 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:52:57pm

re: #590 redc1c4

It was already mostly the right color- all it needed was a lightbar and some 'POLICIA' markings stenciled on it.

/Not surprised to learn that Calderon fired most of the cops in that part of Mexico for corruption and incompetence.

601 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:53:07pm

Big blast just reported in Oberoi hotel.
Terrorists, hostages, Indian counterterror forces all inside.

602 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:53:43pm

Fighting again at the Taj.

603 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:54:02pm

Harkat ul Mujahideen
***********Warning: enemy Jihadi Site *****

604 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:54:16pm

re: #601 transient

Big blast just reported in Oberoi hotel.
Terrorists, hostages, Indian counterterror forces all inside.

Don't tell that to J.S.. According to him, there is no "coordination" amongst the Indian Authorities!

605 LGoPs  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:55:42pm

I'm afraid that it is the fate of free peoples to keep absorbing these types of outrages until something truly catastrophic happens. I certainly don't wish that to happen and pray that it doesn't - but I don't see any particular outrage resulting in what really needs to be done - which is to go totally Roman on these bastards and inflict a punishment so severe and so telling that in a thousand years Muslim mothers will control their unruly children by whispering that the Americans are coming.........

606 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:56:22pm

Another large blast from the new wing of the Taj. Intense gunfire.

607 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:56:30pm

NDTV : Still hundreds trapped in Taj hotel, hearing gun fire right now

608 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:56:49pm

re: #606 Killgore Trout

Another large blast from the new wing of the Taj. Intense gunfire.

Were are you hearing this?

609 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:06pm

Ladies and gentlemen- how many of you think this attack is -at least in part- a signal for another cell in North America to get ready to move in the next 48 hours?

610 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:09pm

re: #606 Killgore Trout

Another large blast from the new wing of the Taj. Intense gunfire.

I'm surprised they doused the fire on the upper left side

611 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:23pm

re: #89 Zimriel

There's nothing keeping nukes from flying anymore.

In the past, the Indo and Pak sides of the great Indo-Pak dispute were worried that America would pull all its trade out of the former or wipe out the latter, respectively. But America is weaker now and has just voted for the "!no más!" candidate. Whether Obama is actually as weak as people think he is, isn't important; it's the pro-weakness vote our friends and enemies are looking at, as a gauge to our resolve.

Obama may want to reconsider that whole Janet Napolitano thing, and quickly.

612 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:29pm

Wife in mumbai Trident Hotel and Husband USA

Hi,

My wife was in trident hotel when this happened. I was on the phone with her while this happened. She thought its just a little tremor or something and she said good bye to me as she wanted to go to sleep.

Then she called up that her hotel has been attacked.

She was in the 26th floor and some how she has managed to escape and they are in a temporary holding area now. Her cell phone is low in battery and I am sitting here texing her regularly.

The situation is very grim and they has still in a secluded area.

I am here in the USA and she is there on a short term assignment.

All I am waiting is to find a message that she can be mobilized from the place where she is and being taken to other safer places as the terrorists have escaped and they can and may approach those holding ares too.

I am just worried and eagerly waiting to here back from wife.

-Biswa Dash

613 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:34pm

re: #607 Flying Dutchman

NDTV : Still hundreds trapped in Taj hotel, hearing gun fire right now

Lots of confusion, apparently. They earlier had a report that the Taj was evacuated, no one left there

614 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:42pm

re: #592 sattv4u2

O please grow up. My point is that these sorts of attacks are not "unusual" -- this is India. It's been going on for years and years. I would expect (obviously erroneously) that there would be put in place some rapid response team, some emergency measures put into place (rehearsals prior to any attacks, etc., people would then know what to do in the event of such an attack, there would be people in charge, etc.) But, no. Just as with India and trains -- hundreds of dead, lots of accidents, and just repeated carnage, year after year, etc. Chalk it up to the lack of infrastructure given that it's not the First World, I guess...

615 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:47pm

re: #606 Killgore Trout

Another large blast from the new wing of the Taj. Intense gunfire.

and yet , firefighters are risking their lives getting people out.
total sitting ducks on their ladders.

( unless that footage is file and not live )

616 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:51pm

re: #595 ploome hineni

why are they announcing that some terrorists have been arrested

preparing for a hostage exchange?

what horrible idea


The authorities know that these Jihadi yoots are not afraid to die.
The Martyr thing along with murder & mayhem is pretty much the point.
They do care though how they die. I would get word to them that all of the police & miltary anmmo have been dipped in bacon grease.
Let the hostages go or no Allah & virgins for you

617 quercus albus  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:57:58pm

re: #609 Fenway_Nation

G-d forbid.

618 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:58:07pm

re: #605 LGoPs

If this isn't a catastrophe then nothing really qualifies.

619 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:58:10pm

re: #607 Flying Dutchman

NDTV : Still hundreds trapped in Taj hotel, hearing gun fire right now

Not good mates!

620 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:58:28pm

re: #608 Nevergiveup

Were are you hearing this?

Live feed from NDTV on Foxnews.com

621 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:58:53pm

Pakistan really needs to get its [expletive deleted] together.

/too bad India isn't a member of NATO

622 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:58:56pm

re: #620 Flying Dutchman

Live feed from NDTV on Foxnews.com

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

623 yah  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:59:13pm

re: #591 gmsc
[Link: indiauncut.com...]

Sounds like it is much worse than being reported - like city wide?

624 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:59:18pm

re: #605 LGoPs

I'm afraid that it is the fate of free peoples to keep absorbing these types of outrages until something truly catastrophic happens. I certainly don't wish that to happen and pray that it doesn't - but I don't see any particular outrage resulting in what really needs to be done - which is to go totally Roman on these bastards and inflict a punishment so severe and so telling that in a thousand years Muslim mothers will control their unruly children by whispering that the Americans are coming.........

For my money you just won the thread.

625 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 3:59:26pm

re: #609 Fenway_Nation

Ladies and gentlemen- how many of you think this attack is -at least in part- a signal for another cell in North America to get ready to move in the next 48 hours?

If this were being done in Afghanastan, or Iraq, or even the Phillipines , perhaps. But the factions in India don't seem to be that closely related to those in the other places

626 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:00:11pm

re: #623 yah

[Link: indiauncut.com...]

Sounds like it is much worse than being reported - like city wide?

Yes, it is !

627 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:00:27pm

At the open sewer know as HuffPo here is a sampling of their insights onthis tragedy:

CBS

Bush has done everything possible to alienate Muslims everywhere, including the peaceful ones. It is entirely his fault along with all the frat boy hawks in his administration and outside of it. Not common sense to defend this, the most disastrous president we have ever had. Add to that the fact that he is a wahr ciminahl.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 11/26/2008


And:


Patriot333
Thanks Georgie...Boy do I feel safer than ever!
Reply Posted 06:18 PM on 11/26/2008

And:

kevenseven

Good old George Bush and his seven year war of terrorism.

Really making the world safe, our Georgie boy.
Reply Posted 06:10 PM on 11/26/2008

And:

groucho

If we give them Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the other war criminals to do with as they wish, would they leave the people alone that hate them as much as we do.
So sad, he has single handedly destroyed the good name of this country in 8 short years.
Reply Posted 06:01 PM on 11/26/2008

This guy sees the terrorists as a freedom fighter. I wonder what MSM outlet he works for?

oneeyedodin
Strange as it may seem to some , one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Sad but true.
Reply Posted 06:01 PM on 11/26/2008

And an oldie but a goodie, a swipe at the US military:

brooklyncitizen

As long as there is economic inequity there will be terrorism and civil wars and kidnappings of the perceived oppressors. Poverty impoverishes all of us. Yeah, there are crazy peopl interesed in killing regardless and some of them are in the US military, but addressing poverty is in humanity's best interest.
Reply Posted 06:11 PM on 11/26/2008

This is the left today.

628 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:00:46pm

re: #623 yah

[Link: indiauncut.com...]

Sounds like it is much worse than being reported - like city wide?

It's being reported that there are 16 different places in Mumbai that have been attacked.

From the Indian media reports, it sounds like the terrorists are trying to create the impression that they've taken over the entire city, but not convincing too many in India that they've actually done so.

629 Alouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:12pm

Search for Chabad Family in Mumbai After Terrorist Strike

The situation is grim late Wednesday in Mumbai (Bombay) India where reports of more than 80 dead and 250 wounded are seeping out of the beleaguered city. Most distressing to the international Jewish community are rumors that an Israeli family has been taken hostage and three of its members killed. Also concerning is the silence from Chabad’s representatives to Mumbai, Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg. No one from the Chabad center has been heard from since the attacks.

The dead and wounded are victims of a sophisticated plot in which seven locations throughout the city were attacked by terrorists. Several of the city’s most exclusive hotels, a restaurant, train station, and hotel were bombed. The attacks come as the country is consumed by controversial elections.

The city, which is India’s financial capital, plays host to many foreigners and their embassies are assisting in the search and rescue efforts.

Lubavitch personnel in Bangkok, Israel and New York are working closely with the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the U.S. government to help establish contact with the Holtzbergs and other missing persons in the Chabad House area.

Mumbai’s Chabad House, situated near the sites of destruction, is a popular stop for Israeli tourists. The Holtzbergs offer a host of programs, including providing kosher food, to locals and visitors alike.


630 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:16pm

Oh boy, NBC Nightly News just did a three minute story on the plight of suffering turkeys.

/so feel free to feel really bad about eating dinner tomorrow

631 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:16pm

re: #551 sattv4u2

Well,, I don;'t know what vantage point you're watching from, but I see MASSIVE amounts of Indian Army/ Police in place and they don,t seem to be milling around and bumping into each other! I see them entering the Taj hotel from all angles, including a cherry picker raised to an upper floor!

They are every bit as competent as we are, which is to say--very competent. Way, way too many people have a hollywood fantasy image of what is possible when dealing with crap like this.

632 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:23pm

re: #614 J.S.

O please grow up. My point is that these sorts of attacks are not "unusual" -- this is India. It's been going on for years and years. I would expect (obviously erroneously) that there would be put in place some rapid response team, some emergency measures put into place (rehearsals prior to any attacks, etc., people would then know what to do in the event of such an attack, there would be people in charge, etc.) But, no. Just as with India and trains -- hundreds of dead, lots of accidents, and just repeated carnage, year after year, etc. Chalk it up to the lack of infrastructure given that it's not the First World, I guess...

How much faster did you want them to react ,,, BEFORE it happened !?!?!?

YES ,,, "hundreds of dead ,,,,, Read My Lips,,,, MULTIPLE ATTACKS ,, on MAJOR FACILITIES ,,, where (pay attention) HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ARE !

633 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:26pm

One more Terrorist killed

634 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:49pm

re: #627 3 wood

At the open sewer know as HuffPo here is a sampling of their insights onthis tragedy:

This is the left today.

If any one has a HuffPo account, I suggest they go over and post, "But . . . we elected 0bama! The world is supposed to love everyone now!"

635 traderjoe9  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:56pm

Israel has dealt with this crap every day for the past 60 years. Now that this disease is starting to spread around the world, hopefully people will began to open their fucking eyes.

636 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:01:58pm

re: #630 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, NBC Nightly News just did a three minute story on the plight of suffering turkeys.

/so feel free to feel really bad about eating dinner tomorrow

Did they mention Palin?

637 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:02:28pm

re: #631 funky chicken

They are every bit as competent as we are, which is to say--very competent. Way, way too many people have a hollywood fantasy image of what is possible when dealing with crap like this.

BINGO ,,,, They want the storyline and conclusion wrapped up in an hour, like a Prime Time TV show

638 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:02:33pm

re: #608 Nevergiveup

NDTV

639 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:02:47pm

re: #633 Thanos

One more Terrorist killed

He no longer happens to live in 0bama's neighborhood?

640 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:02:55pm

re: #636 Nevergiveup

Did they mention Palin?

/oh, you betcha, with blurred out video

641 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:03:05pm

re: #635 traderjoe9

Israel has dealt with this crap every day for the past 60 years. Now that this disease is starting to spread around the world, hopefully people will began to open their fucking eyes.

Yup, that's why the IAEA just voted to give Syria money for nuclear research?

642 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:03:47pm

re: #627 3 wood

Amazing what passes for logic these days.

643 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:07pm

re: #639 gmsc

He no longer happens to live in 0bama's neighborhood?

They will no longer meet at Starbucks.

644 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:10pm

re: #627 3 wood

Where do these people come from?

645 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:13pm

re: #630 Killian Bundy

Oh boy, NBC Nightly News just did a three minute story on the plight of suffering turkeys.

/so feel free to feel really bad about eating dinner tomorrow

The falling stock value of the NY times and WaPo ?

646 J.S.  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:18pm

re: #632 sattv4u2

Look this will be my final post directed to you. I am talking about preparations -- do you understand what that word means? that means preparing prior to terrorist attacks.

Now you're on GAZE.

647 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:26pm

re: #609 Fenway_Nation

Ladies and gentlemen- how many of you think this attack is -at least in part- a signal for another cell in North America to get ready to move in the next 48 hours?

I doubt it. It's possible, of course, and a horrifying thought. I'm sure local police forces and the FBI are on it, as they should be.

I'm glad (yet again) that I don't live in NYC or LA right now though.

648 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:27pm

Back at HuffPo, now some are blaming Christians for this massacre in India.

Rumplestiltskin

Could be C.hristian t.errorists. Remember that M.other T.eresa has a lot of followers there.
Reply Posted 06:03 PM on 11/26/2008

arvada

Rumple's is on their trail
Reply Posted 06:14 PM on 11/26/2008

ZimboChick

true. Not just Mother Theresa - Catholic church is well established there - well everywhere
Reply Posted 06:13 PM on 11/26/2008

649 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:04:31pm

re: #627 3 wood


Just warms the cockles of my heart to know that these people have their guy in the White House in less than 2 months.

650 LGoPs  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:05:52pm

re: #642 rawmuse

Amazing what passes for logic these days.

The scariest part is that apparently, lots of them vote.......

651 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:06:10pm

re: #648 3 wood

Back at HuffPo, now some are blaming Christians for this massacre in India.

Take some screen shots as evidence !

652 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:06:45pm

IBN showing picture of that young kid with a gun saying "alleged terrorist."

Statements pouring in. Obama issuing statement.

"Seven hours plus now ten places attacked."

653 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:06:51pm

re: #648 3 wood


can you have a negative IQ?

654 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:06:55pm

Now they are blaming Palin at HuffPo:

wordvarc

You betcha.
We are "Ugly Americans."
Gee whiz, Gomer Palin, I wonder why they feel this way about us?
Reply Posted 06:20 PM on 11/26/2008

This is the left, and Obama's supporters.

655 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:06:59pm

There's an axis of Kashmiri groups all somewhat tied at the hip, and all allied with Al Qaida, the main four are :

Harkat ul Mujahideen al Islami (HuJI P is the Pakistan wing, B is the Bangladesh wing)
Laskar e Taibr (various spellings)
Harkut ul Mujahideen (split off from HuJI)
Jaish e Muhammed (JeM has lately been heavily involved in the fighting within Pakistan, I don't think they are the most likely but they could have members involved.)

656 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:07:01pm
657 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:07:33pm

re: #650 LGoPs

The scariest part is that apparently, lots of them vote.......

"Ignorance is the most expensive commodity there is."
Says Rush L.

658 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:07:41pm

re: #646 J.S.

Look this will be my final post directed to you. I am talking about preparations -- do you understand what that word means? that means preparing prior to terrorist attacks.

Now you're on GAZE.

wow ,, THAT hurts,,,,

So tell me with your vast expertise of counter-terrorism tactics, from the time the attacks happened, what did the Indian Authorities do WRONG?

Keep in mind the scenario ,, MULTIPLE ATTACK POINTS ,,,, MULTIPLE CASUALTIES ,,,, MULTIPLE HOSTAGES ,,,,,, ATTACKERS STILL ARMED AND IN CONTROL!


The floor is yours

659 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:07:52pm

re: #651 Flying Dutchman

Take some screen shots as evidence !

That's why I document it here. I know they monitor us and report back.

660 TheMatrix31  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:05pm

re: #647 funky chicken

I doubt it. It's possible, of course, and a horrifying thought. I'm sure local police forces and the FBI are on it, as they should be.

I'm glad (yet again) that I don't live in NYC or LA right now though.

:( I hate LA.

661 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:07pm

re: #652 Yankee Zionist

Statements pouring in. Obama issuing statement.

Good to see him take some time off from walking on water....

662 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:16pm

85 people dead.

"They've been coordinated and yet random in a sense."

663 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:20pm

11 policemen dead?

killed in action, or assasinated?

664 pickle-pie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:22pm

Obama will ask both sides to remain calm.

665 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:52pm

re: #654 3 wood

Now they are blaming Palin at HuffPo:


This is the left, and Obama's supporters.

We need not wonder further how Barack Hussein conned his way into the White House. These people are some serious idiots.

666 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:08:52pm

re: #664 pickle-pie

Obama will ask both sides to remain calm.

nahhh ,, it's above his pay-grade

667 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:09:05pm
668 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:09:35pm

re: #593 Maximu§

Welcome to the real world Obama!

President Bush and his team have been dealing with this daily since 9/11....are you and your team ready?

you have to ask?

(magic 8 ball says: "Not likely"

669 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:09:49pm

re: #664 pickle-pie

Obama will ask both sides to remain calm.

When 0bama stated earlier that he strongly condemned these actions, did he ever say to which side he was referring?

670 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:15pm

re: #664 pickle-pie

Obama will ask both sides to remain calm.

I'm sure he'll throw in something about 'root causes' too...

671 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:18pm

re: #664 pickle-pie

Obama will ask both sides to remain calm.

And he'll talk to them without any preconditions

672 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:19pm

re: #663 Shug

11 policemen dead?

killed in action, or assasinated?

I suspect both, remember there was a pretty targetted attack on the Anti terror head, that matches attacks on SSG and ISI leaders in Pakistan, standard tactic.

673 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:20pm

re: #658 sattv4u2

wow ,, THAT hurts,,,,

So tell me with your vast expertise of counter-terrorism tactics, from the time the attacks happened, what did the Indian Authorities do WRONG?

Keep in mind the scenario ,, MULTIPLE ATTACK POINTS ,,,, MULTIPLE CASUALTIES ,,,, MULTIPLE HOSTAGES ,,,,,, ATTACKERS STILL ARMED AND IN CONTROL!


The floor is yours

Trust me, he's got nothing. I find that the people who have never had to hold an armament are the ones who are quick to point at how someone should use it.

674 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:22pm

re: #668 redc1c4

you have to ask?

(magic 8 ball says: "Not likely"

Shit, you mean i gotta get that ball out of storage? I hope I can find it.

675 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:47pm
676 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:53pm

re: #614 J.S.

My point is that these sorts of attacks are not "unusual" -- this is India. It's been going on for years and years. I would expect (obviously erroneously) that there would be put in place some rapid response team, some emergency measures put into place (rehearsals prior to any attacks, etc., people would then know what to do in the event of such an attack, there would be people in charge, etc.) But, no. Just as with India and trains -- hundreds of dead, lots of accidents, and just repeated carnage, year after year, etc. Chalk it up to the lack of infrastructure given that it's not the First World, I guess...

Your criticism is unjust.
Israel has one of the best, if not the best, response systems in place, and when a terrorist does manage to get through, there is still mass carnage. Despite her extensive experience, Israel has had a few major f***ups in the counterterror war. (Anyone remember Maalot?)

India has less experience than Israel, and the current attacks would strain the resources of any community. There is in fact a rapid reaction force being reported, and the injured are being taken to hospitals. Is the treatment up to US or Israeli standards? Probably not--but they are doing the best they can with what they have. Could they do better? Improvements are always possible. Without knowing any specifics, neither you nor I are in position to argue whether they have learned from past terror attacks. Securing India, a vast nation with a huge number of Muslim citizens, is a Herculean tast, and the terrorists aren't stupid. They are also able to change their tactics in response to perceived Indian security measures.

I don't see any specific reason to "dis" them at this moment.

677 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:10:59pm

Carrying corpse of terrorist out of hotel now.

Calling him a terrorist.

678 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:11:27pm

re: #669 gmsc

When 0bama stated earlier that he strongly condemned these actions, did he ever say to which side he was referring?

He did leave some wiggle room. He will dispatch the peace cavalry on unicorns & all will be well.

679 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:11:35pm
HUM is thought to have several thousand armed supporters located in Pakistani Kashmir, and India's southern Kashmir and Doda regions. It uses light and heavy machineguns, assault rifles, mortars, explosives, and rockets. HUM has lost some of its membership due to defections to the JEM.

The group is based in Muzaffarabad, Rawalpindi, and several other towns in Pakistan and Afghanistan, but members conduct insurgent and militant activities primarily in Kashmir.

680 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:11:56pm

re: #677 Yankee Zionist

Carrying corpse of terrorist out of hotel now.

Calling him a terrorist.

Oh, darn. That will only further the cycle of violence.

/

681 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:05pm

re: #646 J.S.

Look this will be my final post directed to you. I am talking about preparations -- do you understand what that word means? that means preparing prior to terrorist attacks.

Now you're on GAZE.

Even the best preparations can't prevent the chaos of a surprise coordinated attack such as this was.

And do you honestly expect the MSM to give a fair and unbiased view of what is really happening on the ground?

682 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:10pm

re: #609 Fenway_Nation

Ladies and gentlemen- how many of you think this attack is -at least in part- a signal for another cell in North America to get ready to move in the next 48 hours?

there's a lovely thought.... we're already going to the gun show caturday.

we need a sufficient ammo supply here on the FOB.

683 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:16pm

re: #675 ploome hineni

.....I have an idea

let us have more muslim immigrate to the USA

Immigration implies a legal process, shit they can just sneak across the border. It's a hell of alot cheaper.

684 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:25pm

re: #673 imploder

Trust me, he's got nothing. I find that the people who have never had to hold an armament are the ones who are quick to point at how someone should use it.

As FUNKY (#631) and I (#637) stated, some people think this is the movies, or a TV show, all wrapped up nice and neat in an hour!

685 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:34pm

5 scumbags dead !

686 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:39pm

re: #648 3 wood

Back at HuffPo, now some are blaming Christians for this massacre in India.

LOL.
It's the heathen CATHOLICS, led by Mother Theresa.
yeah, right.
Those people are out of their minds!

687 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:51pm

This guy will not deviate from Bush's course regarding terrorism.
I hope.

688 Killian Bundy  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:12:58pm

Mein Gott, did I just see a commercial for a a new Rosie O'Donnell prime time show starting tonight on NBC?

/WTF, who's more stupid, the NBC programmers or the predictably minuscule audience?

689 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:00pm

re: #647 funky chicken

I doubt it. It's possible, of course, and a horrifying thought. I'm sure local police forces and the FBI are on it, as they should be.

I'm glad (yet again) that I don't live in NYC or LA right now though.

Oh yeah? No one at first believed there could be a terrorist attack in Oklahoma City.

690 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:02pm

Still hearing firing, sounds like a big sniper rifle

691 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:12pm
692 redc1c4  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:20pm

re: #674 Nevergiveup

Shit, you mean i gotta get that ball out of storage? I hope I can find it.

storage? i keep my balls in a wheelbarrow.......

(more convenient that way. %-)

/white smoke

693 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:29pm

re: #677 Yankee Zionist

Carrying corpse of terrorist out of hotel now.

Calling him a terrorist.

I thought they could be declared a terrorist only if they killed a media reporter....

694 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:42pm

re: #627 3 wood

Islamists and Hindus have been at war for centuries.
The Left is STUPID!

695 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:13:43pm

re: #684 sattv4u2

As FUNKY (#631) and I (#637) stated, some people think this is the movies, or a TV show, all wrapped up nice and neat in an hour!

Nothing is worse than armchair quaterbacking of tactical units.

My view: saddle up, or shut the fuck up.

696 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:14:19pm

re: #688 Killian Bundy

Mein Gott, did I just see a commercial for a a new Rosie O'Donnell prime time show starting tonight on NBC?

/WTF, who's more stupid, the NBC programmers or the predictably minuscule audience?

Well i assume only the idiots at NBC will be watching it so.....

697 UberInfidel67  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:14:21pm

re: #391 sadhu Who really gives a damn what he has to say? He has no authority. I would prefer to hear what my current President...the one running the country NOW, has to say. He still has two months in office.

698 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:14:22pm

re: #688 Killian Bundy

Mein Gott, did I just see a commercial for a a new Rosie O'Donnell prime time show starting tonight on NBC?

/WTF, who's more stupid, the NBC programmers or the predictably minuscule audience?

Yep, you saw right.

699 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:14:50pm

Im tellin ya, blast pork chops through the fire hoses & the Muslim yoots will run out screaming.

700 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:14:51pm

re: #625 sattv4u2

If this were being done in Afghanastan, or Iraq, or even the Phillipines , perhaps. But the factions in India don't seem to be that closely related to those in the other places

The targeting of foreigners, specifically Americans, Brits, and Jews/Israelis, indicates this is not "just" part of the local Pak-India dispute. This was coordinated from outside India, with an eye to global jihad. It remains to be seen whether the terrorists are primarily Indian Muslims, Pakistanis, and/or other.

701 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:14:52pm

re: #693 LoFlyer

I thought they could be declared a terrorist only if they killed a media reporter doing a story on Zionists uprooting Palestinian olive trees.

Fixed it for ya.

702 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:15:00pm

re: #687 NYCHardhat

This guy will not deviate from Bush's course regarding terrorism.
I hope.

I fear this is wishful thinking :(

703 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:15:20pm

re: #648 3 wood

Of course, what ever the moonbats use as evidence for their ridiculous conclusions, they manage to overlook the one piece of evidence that they should examine first, and that is, the statements of the terrorists themselves. After all, they have made no great mystery of WHY they do these heinous acts. They make videos of their statements, they put up web sites, they make audio tapes, and yes, even ringtones for their cell phones. All of these things make clear their intentions.

But I guess that is all just too coincidental for the Kos kids. Much easier to blame the cowboy from Texas.

704 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:15:52pm

re: #688 Killian Bundy

Mein Gott, did I just see a commercial for a a new Rosie O'Donnell prime time show starting tonight on NBC?

/WTF, who's more stupid, the NBC programmers or the predictably minuscule audience?

I would say GE stockholders, but that hardly seems fair to the people who work for General Electric outside of their NBC holdings....

705 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:15:54pm

re: #702 Flying Dutchman

I have to keep optimistic when driving through the Holland Tunnel.

706 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:05pm

re: #695 imploder

Nothing is worse than armchair quaterbacking of tactical units.

My view: saddle up, or shut the fuck up.

Thats why I zip it (when it comes to commenting on "tactics"). God Bless those that volunteer to be on the front line, be they Americans, Indians, Iraqis ,,, etc.
If I had tio saddle up, I would hope that I had the testicular fortitude to do so,, but thankfully at this time I don't have to make that decision. God Bless those that have!

707 reine.de.tout  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:07pm

re: #663 Shug

11 policemen dead?

killed in action, or assasinated?

Dead include their chief anti-terrorism cop.

708 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:28pm
709 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:32pm

re: #701 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Fixed it for ya.

I like your avatar mate!

710 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:32pm

re: #700 transient

The targeting of foreigners, specifically Americans, Brits, and Jews/Israelis, indicates this is not "just" part of the local Pak-India dispute. This was coordinated from outside India, with an eye to global jihad. It remains to be seen whether the terrorists are primarily Indian Muslims, Pakistanis, and/or other.

I agree, there's more than just India here, they are using the Kashmiri groups but the report of someone being let go after saying he was Italian is very telling. They were looking specifically for US and British citizens, possibly other ISAF countries.

711 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:16:49pm

re: #705 NYCHardhat

I have to keep optimistic when driving through the Holland Tunnel.

Well i guess your degree of optimism depends on what direction your going?

712 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:17:27pm

re: #711 Nevergiveup

Into lower Manhattan.

713 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:17:37pm

re: #703 rawmuse

But I guess that is all just too coincidental for the Kos kids. Much easier to blame the cowboy from Texas.

Blaming Bush for islamic extremism is like blaming the can company for the ingredients of Campbell's soup.

714 GeeWiz  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:13pm

re: #605 LGoPs

I'm afraid that it is the fate of free peoples to keep absorbing these types of outrages until something truly catastrophic happens. I certainly don't wish that to happen and pray that it doesn't - but I don't see any particular outrage resulting in what really needs to be done - which is to go totally Roman on these bastards and inflict a punishment so severe and so telling that in a thousand years Muslim mothers will control their unruly children by whispering that the Americans are coming.........

The truth you speak cannot be spoken enough! A thousand up-dings if I had the power. A stalker member has down-dinged you and I can only hope that fellow lizards can drown the idiot out.

Night all, I must attend to Thanksgiving food prep for my family. I only wish that the people in India were concerned with such minor concerns. I'm sad to say that my family would not understand should I hang out here to digest today's developments instead of preparing their food. The dis-connect could not be greater. AND, we ponder here how the "0" got elected. Sheesh! Many people in the USA need to get their priorities in order "tout suite"(sp). Some French lingo there ala Rush.

715 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:15pm

re: #700 transient

The targeting of foreigners, specifically Americans, Brits, and Jews/Israelis, indicates this is not "just" part of the local Pak-India dispute. This was coordinated from outside India, with an eye to global jihad. It remains to be seen whether the terrorists are primarily Indian Muslims, Pakistanis, and/or other.

There are Indian Extremists that aren't happy about Western/ Indian alliances in business, commerce, banking, culture, etc. They could be targeting Westerners to try to "scare" them out of India

716 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:20pm

"it's been planned, it's been planned because they've been holding up against army units for the past four or five hours."

717 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:31pm

re: #709 LoFlyer

I like your avatar mate!

Thanks, matey! I be flyin' it 'til it's blown off th' pole.

718 opnion  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:33pm

re: #688 Killian Bundy

Mein Gott, did I just see a commercial for a a new Rosie O'Donnell prime time show starting tonight on NBC?

/WTF, who's more stupid, the NBC programmers or the predictably minuscule audience?


Have you seen her hang upside down from the gravity shoes?
I'll just say this, I bet that she got romantic letters from hairy nose wambats.

719 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:47pm

Please forgive me for not responding lately folks, but I'm still sorting through he sewer over there so you don't have to.

Be back in a few with some more good ones.

720 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:18:53pm
721 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:19:44pm
722 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:20:20pm

Anyone knows if India does apply the death penalty ?

723 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:20:32pm

"they are holed up with hand grenades and automatic weapons."

724 nyc redneck  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:03pm

re: #675 ploome hineni

.....I have an idea

let us have more muslim immigrate to the USA

LOL,
why of course.

725 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:09pm

re: #722 Flying Dutchman

Anyone knows if India does apply the death penalty ?

What makes you think they'll be taking prisoners?

726 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:13pm

Now the geniuses at HuffPo are blaming:

all religion:

DubiousVoter

Religion provides the justification for people to set aside the civilized part of their human genome and express their ugliest tendencies... Whether it's bigotry and racism, or wealth and power, religion is always at the heart of human conflict.

It's an indictment of religion, in general, that the most zealous devotees are also the most violent. It's not Muslim v. Christian or Muslim v. Hindu or Muslim v. Jew.... It's religious people; look at Ireland, Protestant v. Catholic; the Middle East, Sunni v. Shia; Jerusalem's Church of Holy Sepulcher, Orthodox v. Apostolic v. Catholic v. Coptic....

Don't blame Muslims; religion is the root cause, because when men believe they speak for "God", they lose all sense of "humanity".
Reply Posted 05:32 PM on 11/26/2008

Morpheus_Dreamer

No. It is between ALL religions. They hold us all hostage, day by day.
Reply Posted 05:29 PM on 11/26/2008

GrouchoMarxist

Maybe they're re.tar.ded.
Reply Posted 05:15 PM on 11/26/2008

How tolerant.

727 skywarner  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:24pm

On a related note...

Drudge's current headline: "PLAN TO BOMB PENN STATION"


"The threat is serious, the threat is significant, and it is plausible," said Congressman Peter King, R-Long Island, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
728 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #722 Flying Dutchman

Anyone knows if India does apply the death penalty ?

on site!

729 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:34pm

re: #695 imploder

Nothing is worse than armchair quaterbacking of tactical units.

My view: saddle up, or shut the fuck up.

Speak for yourself. I saw every Die Hard movie several times, I know what I'm talking about.

/

730 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:37pm

Two hostage situations: Trident hotel and Taj hotel.

731 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:39pm

re: #720 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, in defense of Mumbai's response, in case anyone's thinking of criticizing it; nineteen million people in that city. That's two and a half times the size of NYC. That they can mount as rapid a response as they have is pretty damn good.

No doubt managing security in a city that size is akin to feeding every person in the Astrodome a Crispy Creme doughnut while it's still warm...

732 vxbush  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:41pm

re: #696 Nevergiveup

Well i assume only the idiots at NBC will be watching it so.....

My husband and I talked about that, and the only thing we can figure is that Rosie is trying to be the Carol Burnett of the 21st century. I don't think it's going to work. A variety show hasn't been successful outside of theatre since the 70's.

733 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:21:46pm

re: #722 Flying Dutchman

Anyone knows if India does apply the death penalty ?

India does practice capital punishment, but it is rarely used. However, this situation could warrant the use of it.

734 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:22:14pm

re: #720 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, in defense of Mumbai's response, in case anyone's thinking of criticizing it; nineteen million people in that city. That's two and a half times the size of NYC. That they can mount as rapid a response as they have is pretty damn good.

And I highly doubt we are getting the real story of what is happening on the ground, the MSM can be selective when it suits them. I remember all too well the sanctimoniousness of the MSM about not showing the people jumping from the burning twin towers so to not "inflame public opinion".

735 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:22:40pm

re: #731 imploder

No doubt managing security in a city that size is akin to feeding every person in the Astrodome a Crispy Creme doughnut while it's still warm...

OOoohhhhh ,,, I love the ones with the custard or cream filling and chocolate on top !

736 mensamann  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:08pm

re: #726 3 wood

That's right! And we should all wear the same clothes. Maybe something uni-sex that looks like pajamas. (Have I seen that before...?)

/sarc

737 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:12pm

re: #679 Thanos

I said this on a previous thread, but I certainly hope we have some Predators and Reapers up over Pakistan, doing some happy hunting right now.

738 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:13pm

re: #730 Thanos

Two hostage situations: Trident hotel and Taj hotel.

Filthy animals need to be exterminated, post haste!

739 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:30pm

re: #720 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, in defense of Mumbai's response, in case anyone's thinking of criticizing it; nineteen million people in that city. That's two and a half times the size of NYC. That they can mount as rapid a response as they have is pretty damn good.

It's sheer chaos, and they are doing the best they can mates! We all forget that our cops have swat teams, mobile command posts, bullet proof vests and commo gear out the ass. To criticize the Indians is unwarranted at this point. Perhaps the 48 hour rule should be invoked.

740 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:38pm

re: #725 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What makes you think they'll be taking prisoners?

I'm convinced they will try to kill as much as possible but they already said they have captured about 10 terrorists

741 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:39pm

Makes me nervous to see live t.v. of police activity at the hotel. Reminds me of the Munich massacre, when German t.v. was showing live shots of the bumbling German police getting ready to try something at one point... which had to be aborted when it was clear the Pali terrorists were, uh, watching it on t.v.

742 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:39pm

re: #729 Occasional Reader

Speak for yourself. I saw every Die Hard movie several times, I know what I'm talking about.

/

Hope your feet don't get all cut up.

743 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:23:51pm

If this were a Hollywood terrorist scenario that could easily be wrapped up in 45 minutes, then wouldn't the terrorists all be white with Germanic/Slavic accents?

744 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:01pm

re: #722 Flying Dutchman

Anyone knows if India does apply the death penalty ?

India and the death penalty

Although India is one of a number of countries around the world which still practises capital punishment, it is rarely used.

A 1983 ruling by the country's Supreme Court stated that the death penalty should be imposed only in "the rarest of rare cases".

Only particularly gruesome or politically sensitive cases have attracted the penalty.

The assassins of India's independence leader, Mahatma Gandhi, and former prime minister Indira Gandhi were among those executed in the past 60 years.

Special circumstances

In India the death penalty is carried out by hanging.

An attempt to challenge this method of execution failed in the Supreme Court, which stated in its 1983 judgement that hanging did not involve torture, barbarity, humiliation or degradation.

The last execution in India was held in August 2004 when Dhananjoy Chatterjee, convicted of raping and murdering a schoolgirl in 1990, was hanged to death.

It was the first such execution since 1995.

Under Indian law, the death penalty can be imposed for:

murder
gang robbery with murder
abetting the suicide of a child or insane person
waging war against the government
abetting mutiny by a member of the armed forces

In recent years, however, special courts have also extended the penalty to cases of terrorism under anti-terror legislation.

And some people are pushing for it to be used against rapists.

"There were fewer death penalty cases in the 70s and 80s," constitutional lawyer Rajiv Dhawan told the BBC News website.

But he said death sentences appeared to be on the rise in recent years.

Over the past year, Indian courts have handed out three death sentences in cases relating to rape and murder.

Appeal

Once sentenced, a defendant has the right to appeal against the sentence as well as the conviction.

The appeal will be heard by a higher court and can go all the way up to the Supreme Court, a process that can take two to three years.

If all fails, the president of India can be approached to grant clemency - something he can do only after seeking the advice of the Indian cabinet.

In the Rajiv Gandhi assassination case a special court sentenced to death 26 men and women in 1998.

In May 1999 the Supreme Court commuted three of the death sentences to life imprisonment and released 19 others.

Of the remaining four, one was granted clemency in August 2000, while the appeals of the others are pending before the president.

745 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:06pm

re: #739 LoFlyer

It's sheer chaos, and they are doing the best they can mates! We all forget that our cops have swat teams, mobile command posts, bullet proof vests and commo gear out the ass. To criticize the Indians is unwarranted at this point. Perhaps the 48 hour rule should be invoked.

48 hour rule!
Amen!

746 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:17pm

re: #733 gmsc

India does practice capital punishment, but it is rarely used. However, this situation could warrant the use of it.

Thanks'

747 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:18pm

re: #734 FurryOldGuyJeans

And I highly doubt we are getting the real story of what is happening on the ground, the MSM can be selective when it suits them. I remember all too well the sanctimoniousness of the MSM about not showing the people jumping from the burning twin towers so to not "inflame public opinion".

Ugghhh, that digs up up some bad memories. Both about the attack and I how I felt about it, and how I felt about the media and their response to it.

I can't lay enough f-bombs down to show my displeasure so I'll just call it good and drink another beer.

748 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:19pm

The news anchor is exhibiting frustration that the crisis isn't over.

seems like they support their armed forces and want them to go in and actually kill the terrorists. Imagine.

"The commanders are being briefed."

"Mombai police have tried to gain control."

Now Indian military on the scene.

Anchor says it will take some times for units to be in place, "need to wait two hours from now for the crisis to truly be over."

749 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:20pm

re: #727 skywarner

On a related note...

Drudge's current headline: "PLAN TO BOMB PENN STATION"

Earlier it was being dismissed as just some fanciful jihadi wet dream talk. I guess Mumbai changed a few minds as to the seriousness.

750 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:22pm

re: #743 Fenway_Nation

If this were a Hollywood terrorist scenario that could easily be wrapped up in 45 minutes, then wouldn't the terrorists all be white with Germanic/Slavic accents?

Paging Hans Gruber . . .

751 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:26pm

J.S.

The class is still waiting on your analysis on what the Indian Government has doen wrong in this situation !

752 Karridine  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:31pm

UPDATE: Bangkok: Scumbags claiming to be part of "The Protest" have illegally invaded the runways and aprons of Suwannapoom International Airport, making it extremely difficult for airplanes to land, service or OFFLOAD passengers!

The legitimate government had better deal swiftly and sharply with these usurping, power-mad thugs, or the losses will be astronomical! Decades of courtesy-and-safety have nurtured a wonderful tourist trade here, and these chumps are SCREWING THE POOCH!

/update updated Again: My family and I are NOT in any obvious danger, but we ARE being hit by the same waves of incredulity at how this was allowed to happen! Thugs WALKED into the Control Tower! And now they're IN, the cops "can't" get them out?

No, I sense traitors among the 'loyal opposition', who, as in America, are willing to do almost ANYTHING to get THIS Band of Thieves OUT and OUR Band of Thieves IN!
WE want OUR TURN AT THE TROUGH!

Update Downhearted, Karridine

753 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:39pm

At HuffPo they have pretty much decided to blame all religion for this tragedy:

kellygrrrl

religion often turns people into hateful and dark souls
Reply Posted 05:19 PM on 11/26/2008

ftskc

If it weren't for religion, there wouldn't be such attacks, nor would there be so much trouble in the world. I'm with Bill Maher (Religilus) on this one.

Religion is the problem my friends and Islam IS a violent religion, as is Judaism and Christianity all one had to do is read their holy books. I have, all of them Qu'ran, Ahadith, Seerah, Bible (OT and NT).

BTW, the MSM is playing opportunistic trying to weave Obama into this, as if the President or President elect could do something about such events in another country.
Reply Posted 05:13 PM on 11/26/2008

This is the tolerant left today.

754 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:24:42pm

re: #732 vxbush

My husband and I talked about that, and the only thing we can figure is that Rosie is trying to be the Carol Burnett of the 21st century. I don't think it's going to work. A variety show hasn't been successful outside of theatre since the 70's.

And Carol Burnett was likeable.

755 UberInfidel67  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:25:08pm

Ya know....for every apologist that cries "well, the Jews did it too!" Or "the Catholics did it too during the inquisition!"...Maybe we should all get back to the violent aspects of our various religions and show these muslim terrorists how WE did it in our day (according to OUR Holy books)

756 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:25:36pm
Under Indian law, the death penalty can be imposed for:

murder
gang robbery with murder
abetting the suicide of a child or insane person
waging war against the government
abetting mutiny by a member of the armed forces

In recent years, however, special courts have also extended the penalty to cases of terrorism under anti-terror legislation.

Good news !

757 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:25:36pm

Nariman house still hostage situation.

758 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:25:36pm

re: #727 skywarner

On a related note...

Drudge's current headline: "PLAN TO BOMB PENN STATION"

Lead us not into Penn Station, but deliver us from evil . . .

759 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:25:37pm

The occasional single shot you hear from a heavy sniper rifle tells me that the Indians are keeping a cool head and doing things right.

760 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:25:41pm

re: #742 debutaunt

Hope your feet don't get all cut up.

How do you say "yippee kay-ay" in Hindi?

761 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:26:27pm

re: #753 3 wood

At HuffPo they have pretty much decided to blame all religion for this tragedy:

This is the tolerant left today.

As usual, this is not the time or the place for the Left's nonsense.

762 vapig  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:26:56pm

re: #726 3 wood

Now the geniuses at HuffPo are blaming:

all religion:


How tolerant.

How quaint that they forget that the largest death tolls in the 20th century occured under regimes that were godless (i.e. communism in USSR, China, etc).

763 transient  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:26:56pm

re: #710 Thanos

I agree, there's more than just India here, they are using the Kashmiri groups but the report of someone being let go after saying he was Italian is very telling. They were looking specifically for US and British citizens, possibly other ISAF countries.

I don't know much about the Kashmiri fighting units. I presume the Mumbai terrorists were chosen/trained as suicide commandos, which is a slightly different "career path" than the Pak-Kashmiris, although there's probable some crossover for that guy with the highest Jihad spirit. Just idly wondering if today's terrorists were recruited/trained like the 9/11 terrorists, Palestinian suicide bombers, or were drawn from the "regular" mujahaddin.

764 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:26:57pm

re: #752 Karridine

All my best to your and yours. Glad to hear you're not in danger. Hope it stays that way.

765 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #753 3 wood

At HuffPo they have pretty much decided to blame all religion for this tragedy:

Religion is the problem my friends and Islam IS a violent religion, as is Judaism and Christianity all one had to do is read their holy books. I have, all of them Qu'ran, Ahadith, Seerah, Bible (OT and NT).
This is the tolerant left today.

I, as a Catholic in Atlanta Georgia, cling to my religion, therefore terrorists kill 200 in India!

makes sense to me !

766 rawmuse  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:27:21pm

re: #726 3 wood

Those sentiments are not limited to Huffpo.

767 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:27:35pm

re: #757 Yankee Zionist

Nariman house still hostage situation.

Oh shit.

768 Soona'  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:27:50pm

re: #710 Thanos

I agree, there's more than just India here, they are using the Kashmiri groups but the report of someone being let go after saying he was Italian is very telling. They were looking specifically for US and British citizens, possibly other ISAF countries.

I agree. If this turns out to be true, then this is another attack on the US. I travel a lot and something like this is always stirring in the back of my mind. We may be seeing much more of these attacks exclusively targeting American tourists/business people and our allies. After all. The O did promise change. Maybe this is it.

769 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:27:52pm

re: #759 Thanos

The occasional single shot you hear from a heavy sniper rifle tells me that the Indians are keeping a cool head and doing things right.

.50 cal, fire for effect. Well placed shots, homies join the pink-mist club.

Decidely low-tech, and fucking deadly. $1.56 a round.

770 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:28:33pm

re: #769 imploder

.50 cal, fire for effect. Well placed shots, homies join the pink-mist club.

Decidely low-tech, and fucking deadly. $1.56 a round.

Whatever works, my friend.

771 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:28:47pm

re: #742 debutaunt

Hope your feet don't get all cut up.

How do you say "yippee kay-ay" in Hindi?re: #759 Thanos

The occasional single shot you hear from a heavy sniper rifle tells me that the Indians are keeping a cool head and doing things right.

Which feed are you getting this on?

772 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:28:55pm

And now, the Daily Kos take on Mumbai:

Where's the front page diary on Mumbai? n/t (5+ / 0-)
No one in the country has swagga like us.

by fou on Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 04:18:45 PM PST

773 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:29:28pm

re: #754 debutaunt

And Carol Burnett was likeable.

And not a pig. Just saying.

774 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:29:34pm

Large blast on the other side of town.

Car bomb ?

775 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:29:37pm

re: #769 imploder

.50 cal, fire for effect. Well placed shots, homies join the pink-mist club.

Decidely low-tech, and fucking deadly. $1.56 a round.

I'll send them a note. If the Indian Gov't kills them ALL, I'll write a check for the ammo!

776 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:29:43pm

"There's been terror, terror, and more terror around seven to eight kilometers around south Mumbai."

777 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:05pm

re: #770 Wyatt Earp

Whatever works, my friend.

And works it does. When you can bust a skull at 500 meters with relative ease and security, things get bad for those clamoring around windows.

778 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:11pm

re: #740 Flying Dutchman

I'm convinced they will try to kill as much as possible but they already said they have captured about 10 terrorists

Terrorist usually sing like canaries, especially when "aggressively interrogated" which I can guarantee will be happening. The Indians will have this thing rolled up in two weeks mates. My prayers to the victims and the poor bastards leading the assaults against the terrorists. This has got be real bad news for all involved. The fallout will be traumatic from this massacre, mates.

779 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:13pm

re: #763 transient

I don't know much about the Kashmiri fighting units. I presume the Mumbai terrorists were chosen/trained as suicide commandos, which is a slightly different "career path" than the Pak-Kashmiris, although there's probable some crossover for that guy with the highest Jihad spirit. Just idly wondering if today's terrorists were recruited/trained like the 9/11 terrorists, Palestinian suicide bombers, or were drawn from the "regular" mujahaddin.


There's been weeks of demonstrations in Kashmir leading up to this, I suspect from the size of this that we have vets leading some irregulars and new recruits. If it was all vets from HuJI/HuM/LeT and JeM, it would probably be worse.

780 vapig  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:13pm

re: #755 UberInfidel67

Ya know....for every apologist that cries "well, the Jews did it too!" Or "the Catholics did it too during the inquisition!"...Maybe we should all get back to the violent aspects of our various religions and show these muslim terrorists how WE did it in our day (according to OUR Holy books)

Not a bad idea. All you have to do is mention the word Crusade and it still creeps out muslims.

781 stevieray  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:15pm

re: #753 3 wood

I wonder if they are bright enough to notice that nobody, not even their savior Obama, takes them seriously. He got their votes, and it looks like he will toss them aside, just like Clinton before him.

Huffpo is home to some deeply damaged people.

782 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:36pm

How long does Obama have until he's tested? 6 Months? Yeah right.

783 notutopia  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:30:39pm

re: #393 ornery elephant

We were not "collective". And, this is what we have as a result. The government you vote for, is the government you deserve.
Are you having regrets already?
Or is it fear?

FEAR IS NOT AMERICA!
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

Thanos, btw, I strongly agree! Great post!
(hattip)

*spit*

784 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:31:21pm

re: #754 debutaunt

And Carol Burnett was likeable.

re: #773 Nevergiveup

And not a pig. Just saying.

However, if you saw her in "A Little Night Music", she says her husband was a pig.
;)

785 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:32:32pm

re: #777 imploder

And works it does. When you can bust a skull at 500 meters with relative ease and security, things get bad for those clamoring around windows.

And their bad is humanity's good.

786 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:32:47pm

OT ,,, but kinda on !

Since 9/11, why would ANY American travel outside of the USA. I've had to go abroad several times since then on business , but I basically HAD to go. I have NOT traveled for pleasure outside of the country since 2001

787 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:09pm

re: #782 NYCHardhat

How long does Obama have until he's tested? 6 Months? Yeah right.

He's being tested right now, whether he knows it or not.

I seriously doubt that he's given this sort of scenario any sort of rational thought. If he's smart, he's paying attention to what's going on, in Mumbai and elsewhere, and learning everything he possibly can. What are the odds that he is? ... heh ... *spit*

788 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:13pm

Watching CBS news in London now.
re: #786 sattv4u2

OT ,,, but kinda on !

Since 9/11, why would ANY American travel outside of the USA. I've had to go abroad several times since then on business , but I basically HAD to go. I have NOT traveled for pleasure outside of the country since 2001

Writing as a tourist in London right now: Some of us refused to be cowed.

789 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:22pm
790 jamgarr  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:30pm

CNN ragging on U.S. intelligence for not stopping this thing.

791 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #783 notutopia

Thanks, more to come on this subject. I think this recession is being oversold by far, things were much much worse when Reagan came into office in '80.

792 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:34:41pm

re: #787 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He's being tested right now, whether he knows it or not.

I seriously doubt that he's given this sort of scenario any sort of rational thought. If he's smart, he's paying attention to what's going on, in Mumbai and elsewhere, and learning everything he possibly can. What are the odds that he is? ... heh ... *spit*

And I am sure he is dabbling in "moral equivalence" as we speak.

793 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:35:02pm

re: #786 sattv4u2


Because we are free to do so and not let bloodthirsty subhumans dictate any of our travel plans.

794 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:35:03pm

re: #785 Wyatt Earp

And their bad is humanity's good.

I agree.

795 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:35:12pm

re: #788 kmclay

Watching CBS news in London now.

Writing as a tourist in London right now: Some of us refused to be cowed.

I understand and appreciate that, but didn't it give you pause !?!?

796 Skywarner  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:35:43pm

I'm sitting here watching the live IBN feed from India... Their news anchors are shocked, outraged, and obviously saddened for their countrymen. This seems to be India's 9/11.

797 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:35:55pm
798 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:36:07pm

re: #793 Fenway_Nation

Because we are free to do so and not let bloodthirsty subhumans dictate any of our travel plans.

see my 795. Have you gone abroad since 9/11/2001 ?

799 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:36:26pm

re: #646 J.S.

Look this will be my final post directed to you. I am talking about preparations -- do you understand what that word means? that means preparing prior to terrorist attacks.

Now you're on GAZE.

J.S.
I think you are seriously out of line here. Sixteen-prong attack from every direction, we couldn't handle it here in the US in one of our cities. You can't prepare for slaughter of this magnitude and area and deviousness.

Although there's plenty of religious violence in India, this is of a totally different magnitude.

Show a little heart. The Indians are literally fighting for their lives. Stop being Mr. Know-It-All. Plenty of time for that later.

800 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:36:27pm

From NDTV: "...all this as the city that never sleeps comes to a halt."

The city that never sleeps? What happened in New York?
;)

801 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:36:53pm

re: #786 sattv4u2

OT ,,, but kinda on !

Since 9/11, why would ANY American travel outside of the USA. I've had to go abroad several times since then on business , but I basically HAD to go. I have NOT traveled for pleasure outside of the country since 2001

My aunt was planning an extended vacation to south Thailand...I asked her if she had heard of all the Muslim terrorism down there, and got a blank stare. She's got a master's degree and is a veteran world traveller...but she's still on pre-9/11 thinking.

802 Skywarner  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:36:58pm

re: #790 jamgarr

CNN ragging on U.S. intelligence for not stopping this thing.

"CNN ragging" kinda says it all.

803 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:06pm

another shot fired.

804 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:07pm

re: #795 sattv4u2

I understand and appreciate that, but didn't it give you pause !?!?

Not until tonight...but since then I have been given the dick eye to everybody.
;^)

805 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:10pm
806 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:43pm

re: #800 gmsc

From NDTV: "...all this as the city that never sleeps comes to a halt."

The city that never sleeps? What happened in New York?
;)

This one is twice as big. And I think it lives up to its reputation.

807 3 wood  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:43pm

I knew if I looked long enough, I'd see where they blamed Chenney:

Coyote2

Does anyone see the hand of Cheney anywhere? He still has 55 days to launch black ops.

~

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Reply Posted 04:28 PM on 11/26/2008

RobinSeattle

Black Ops? Is that a rap group?

Dick Cheney and Suge Knight. Who knew?
Reply Posted 04:51 PM on 11/26/2008

808 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:45pm

re: #798 sattv4u2

see my 795. Have you gone abroad since 9/11/2001 ?

Israel a few times, but I felt pretty secure.

809 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:37:56pm

re: #799 Irene NYC

J.S.
I think you are seriously out of line here. Sixteen-prong attack from every direction, we couldn't handle it here in the US in one of our cities. You can't prepare for slaughter of this magnitude and area and deviousness.

Although there's plenty of religious violence in India, this is of a totally different magnitude.

Show a little heart. The Indians are literally fighting for their lives. Stop being Mr. Know-It-All. Plenty of time for that later.

Notice he never responded to my 658 (my response to his 646)

810 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:38:05pm

re: #798 sattv4u2


Yes- barely 2 months after 9/11 in one case.

811 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:38:41pm

re: #786 sattv4u2

OT ,,, but kinda on !

Since 9/11, why would ANY American travel outside of the USA. I've had to go abroad several times since then on business , but I basically HAD to go. I have NOT traveled for pleasure outside of the country since 2001

Oh, come on.

Backbone, please.

812 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:38:54pm

76 confirmed dead at Chama hospital, people going hospital to hospital looking for their relatives.

813 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:38:55pm

re: #787 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Like I said earlier, I do hope General Jones and Secretary Gates have called him about that whole Janet Napolitano choice for Director of Homeland Security idea.

We REALLY don't need to see a Kathleen BlankStare Blanco reprise.

814 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:39:04pm

re: #810 Fenway_Nation

Yes- barely 2 months after 9/11 in one case.

Same here, but as I stated, each time it's been business.

815 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:39:08pm

re: #792 Wyatt Earp

And I am sure he is dabbling in "moral equivalence" as we speak.

What was it Biden said? "You won't like our response", or words to that effect?

Depending upon the test, and WHERE it happens at, we might well be HORRIFIED, rather than merely put off.

Obama is a lightweight, because his personal focus has been on his socialist agenda for this country. Everything else is secondary to him.

/quoth the Raven ... "Present"

816 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:39:12pm

re: #796 Skywarner

I'm sitting here watching the live IBN feed from India... Their news anchors are shocked, outraged, and obviously saddened for their countrymen. This seems to be India's 9/11.

May set off a bloody backlash, same as already happened in the past

817 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:39:15pm

re: #798 sattv4u2

see my 795. Have you gone abroad since 9/11/2001 ?

I live abroad. And I can't arm myself. If terrorists come here to my village, I bet I could get ADAC to tow my car quicker than I could get some SWAT.

818 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:39:32pm

re: #809 sattv4u2

Notice he never responded to my 658 (my response to his 646)


Just disgraceful. I never expected that from J.S.

819 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:40:13pm

re: #510 SFGoth

This is how the world ends folks, with an Islamic bang. The West cannot do anything more than plug leaks because the West will not do what it takes. Good luck O', looks like you may have bitten off more than you can chew.

Nonsense. As Stalin once said of the Nazi invasion, Comrades, our strength is enormous. THESE guys have bitten off way more than they can chew. We win, hands down. This will end in one of two ways: either it simmers down as Muslims come to the conclusion that this war is an instance of a fight against an enemy that stands like an iron wall, so that they have scriptural permission to call it off, or-----------

if they just insist on pushing their luck to the end,----------------


it ends in exact and perfect analogy to what happened to Nazism and the Nazi leaders at the end of WW2.

820 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:40:17pm

re: #818 Irene NYC

Just disgraceful. I never expected that from J.S.

Maybe he was drinking?

821 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:40:50pm

re: #812 Thanos

76 confirmed dead at Chama hospital, people going hospital to hospital looking for their relatives.

The brave jihadist warriors strike again.

/spit, I really can't spit enough

822 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:40:59pm

re: #811 Occasional Reader

Oh, come on.

Backbone, please.

Backbone/ Practicality. I don't have to walk down the middle of Broadway at midnight in East St. Louis with $100 bills sticking out of my shirt to "prove" that I have "backbone"

823 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:41:12pm

re: #796 Skywarner

This seems to be India's 9/11.

Not quite. They've had them before. Remember the Mumbai bomb attacks of a year or two ago. Terrible.

824 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:41:17pm

re: #789 taxfreekiller

We have every square meter of the thugs camps mapped, we have satellite of it, we have low level T V images, we know every hole they hide in, we infrared them when they move about at night, we infrared their camp fires, we track the cars, trucks, and camels. Then we learn the names, we learn the unit ID's and code passwords, we monitor their e-mails, phone calls, even the foot runners are infiltrated. We know what they eat by tracking the food supply, we know what illness they have by tracking the medical stuff shipped to them. Hell when they go to the pot and wipe we know which hand they use.

All that, and we wait, tick, tock, they yell, we have 5,000 centrifuges running the more to kill your children with, and we wait, wait knowing it will come, the security briefings tell it every Monday morning, our leaders sit side by side, they read the reports, they nod their heads knowingly, they whisper wise things to their assistants about what should be done if "only they were in charge", and no one is, they wait.

What will you do America, its your ass on the line, your the ones who will burn, you will bleed, you will morn, your descendants are the ones who will look back, back at what, or will they just rip this sorry chapter out and burn it, and pass the word to the others, NEVER FORGET.

TFK, you get a little to intense for me at times, mate. No we do not know everything they do, because if we did, Bin Ladan would be a dead gomer. We are winning the GWOT but the media wont even admit we have won in Iraq. Overall terrorism is down but the media cannot admit that because it gives them the chance to hammer Bush and then announce six months later that Obama single-handedly won the war!
/just watch!

825 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:41:52pm

re: #822 sattv4u2

Backbone/ Practicality. I don't have to walk down the middle of Broadway at midnight in East St. Louis with $100 bills sticking out of my shirt to "prove" that I have "backbone"

No, that would prove something else?
/

826 imploder  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:41:54pm

re: #819 lostlakehiker

Nonsense. As Stalin once said of the Nazi invasion, Comrades, our strength is enormous. THESE guys have bitten off way more than they can chew. We win, hands down. This will end in one of two ways: either it simmers down as Muslims come to the conclusion that this war is an instance of a fight against an enemy that stands like an iron wall, so that they have scriptural permission to call it off, or-----------

if they just insist on pushing their luck to the end,----------------


it ends in exact and perfect analogy to what happened to Nazism and the Nazi leaders at the end of WW2.

Unfortunately, it seems something of that magnitude will have to happen to get a global response, and if we remember our history, the allies were shocked at the brutality they found.

827 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:41:58pm

re: #820 Nevergiveup

Maybe he was drinking?


It's a little early to be that hard-assed, no?

828 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:42:12pm

re: #822 sattv4u2

Backbone/ Practicality. I don't have to walk down the middle of Broadway at midnight in East St. Louis with $100 bills sticking out of my shirt to "prove" that I have "backbone"


"Traveling outside the US" is not the equivalent of doing that. Please.

I mean, terrorists have attacked INSIDE the US, too. So I guess we shouldn't go there, either?

829 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:42:19pm

re: #823 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not quite. They've had them before. Remember the Mumbai bomb attacks of a year or two ago. Terrible.

Actually, NDTV's live footage does occasionally feature the tagline "India's 9/11", so we know they see it that way.

830 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:42:25pm

re: #814 sattv4u2

By choice on my part. It will be by choice the next time as well....

831 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:44:14pm

re: #828 Occasional Reader

"Traveling outside the US" is not the equivalent of doing that. Please.

I mean, terrorists have attacked INSIDE the US, too. So I guess we shouldn't go there, either?

I asked why people do it. As I stated, I have (business) but have NOT (pleasure) There are so many places HERE in the states to go too, coupled with helping the US economy, I thought it was a valid question/ idea. Sorry if it gave offense

832 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:44:36pm

The Taj hotel looks a lot like on in London, I don't recall the name, in Bloomsbury.

833 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:45:21pm
834 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:45:54pm

re: #829 gmsc

Actually, NDTV's live footage does occasionally feature the tagline "India's 9/11", so we know they see it that way.

Okay. They've got the right to define it. They're there.

/gringo shutting his yap

835 jcm  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:46:49pm

re: #581 The Other Les

How can there be a downside to Islamic terror? If they get away they win. If they get killed that's a really big win.

The false prophet Mohammed ordered his followers to wage war against those who refuse to submit. As long as Islam exists there will be Islamic terrorism.

The downside isn't with the terrorist, it will be the nations and communities that support and tolerate them.

836 neverquit  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:47:34pm

Another live internet feed - STAR NEWS

837 debutaunt  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:47:55pm

re: #782 NYCHardhat

How long does Obama have until he's tested? 6 Months? Yeah right.

Clinton had a month?

838 Skywarner  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:48:00pm

IBT now showing raw video of unseen terrorist(s) shooting members of India's press corp!

839 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:48:27pm

re: #833 buzzsawmonkey

Carleton?
Claridge's?
The Savoy?

I don't think so. A historic hotel, now part of a chain... Radisson, perhaps?

840 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:48:41pm

re: #831 sattv4u2

I asked why people do it. As I stated, I have (business) but have NOT (pleasure) There are so many places HERE in the states to go too, coupled with helping the US economy, I thought it was a valid question/ idea. Sorry if it gave offense

No offense here, m'dear.

841 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:49:08pm

People trapped all over Taj hotel... Looks very bad !

842 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:49:15pm

I'm glad to be able to keep up with the Mumbai situation with live footage.

The downside is, I now know more about India's cricket status compared to that of Australia, and India's 25-year-old Taxis than I ever wanted to know.

843 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:49:29pm

Well, this warning about NYC subway and railroad hubs being targeted by AQ during the holiday season is a drag. My mom's arriving into NYC by train tomorrow - just what I wanted to hear.

844 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:49:52pm

re: #831 sattv4u2

I asked why people do it.

Uh... freedom? Because I like to? Good enough?

845 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #843 Irene NYC

Happy Thanksgiving Irene.

846 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:50:37pm

re: #844 Occasional Reader

Uh... freedom? Because I like to? Good enough?

works for me. Send me a post card !

847 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:51:07pm

re: #840 kmclay

No offense here, m'dear.

Since your there, could you hop over to Harrods and pick something up for me?

848 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:51:50pm

re: #845 NYCHardhat

Thanks! You too! Gobble, gobble...
/it's my birthday also. . . big festivity planned.
;)

849 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:51:52pm

re: #841 Flying Dutchman

Not-so-bold prediction: Terrorists will try and blend in with the hostages after the shit hits the fans and take out more hostages or police/military operatives while everyone is being evacuated.

850 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:52:02pm

re: #834 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Okay. They've got the right to define it. They're there.

/gringo shutting his yap

I bet they end up with 300 plus dead, with a large percentage of westerners in the mix. Madrid, London and Bombay all will claim their 911's, but nothing except a nuclear blast will compare to NYC's 911. This is bad, but compared to the twin towers collapsing this a skirmish.

851 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:52:07pm

NDTV : 3 or 4 terrorists still in Taj Hotel (with +/- 100 hostages ?)

852 neocon hippie  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:52:08pm

re: #796 Skywarner

The Taj seems to be as emblematic of Indian power and success as the Twin Towers are for the US.

853 notutopia  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:52:12pm

[Link: lubavitch.com...] Hattip. Aloutte

Search for Chabad Family in Mumbai After Terrorist Strike

The situation is grim late Wednesday in Mumbai (Bombay) India where reports of more than 80 dead and 250 wounded are seeping out of the beleaguered city. Of great concern is the silence from Chabad’s representatives to Mumbai, Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg. No one from the Chabad center has been heard from since the attacks.

The dead and wounded are victims of a sophisticated plot in which seven locations throughout the city were attacked by terrorists. Several of the city’s most exclusive hotels, a restaurant, train station, and hotel were bombed. The attacks come as the country is consumed by controversial elections.

The city, which is India’s financial capital, plays host to many foreigners and their embassies are assisting in the search and rescue efforts.

Lubavitch personnel in Bangkok, Israel and New York are working closely with the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the U.S. government to help establish contact with the Holtzbergs and other missing persons in the Chabad House area.

Mumbai’s Chabad House, situated near the sites of destruction, is a popular stop for Israeli tourists. The Holtzbergs offer a host of programs, including providing kosher food, to locals and

854 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:52:59pm

re: #847 Nevergiveup

Since your there, could you hop over to Harrods and pick something up for me?

Anything to help a lizard out.

855 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:53:38pm

3-4 Terrorists still inside the Taj, still pulling people out

856 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:53:44pm

re: #849 Fenway_Nation

Not-so-bold prediction: Terrorists will try and blend in with the hostages after the shit hits the fans and take out more hostages or police/military operatives while everyone is being evacuated.

I hope the Indian tac teams do what the SAS team at the Iranian embassy in London did in 1980; shout at the hostages to point out the terrorists who are mixed in with them, then immediately shoot, on the spot, the ones they point out.

857 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:53:50pm

re: #849 Fenway_Nation

Not-so-bold prediction: Terrorists will try and blend in with the hostages after the shit hits the fans and take out more hostages or police/military operatives while everyone is being evacuated.

Except if they are on a suicide operation :(

858 sadhu  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:53:51pm

3-4 terrorists still scattered inside Taj hotel?! 100 people still trapped?!
and what about the rest of the city? all the news focus has been on the Taj

this is far from over

859 Nevergiveup  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:53:57pm

re: #854 kmclay

Anything to help a lizard out.

Well I had to ding ya up for that!

860 NYCHardhat  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:54:04pm

re: #848 Irene NYC

Enjoy the day!

;)

861 notutopia  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:54:22pm

re: #848 Irene NYC

Happy Birthday!
: )

862 gop_patriot  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:55:28pm

IBNLive says 11 cops including a DIG killed.

What's a DIG?

863 Skywarner  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:55:30pm

re: #850 LoFlyer

I bet they end up with 300 plus dead, with a large percentage of westerners in the mix. Madrid, London and Bombay all will claim their 911's, but nothing except a nuclear blast will compare to NYC's 911. This is bad, but compared to the twin towers collapsing this a skirmish.

Agreed. The sad thing is... How many weeks/months/years will it be before the first Islamic nuclear device is detonated? It's not a question of "if." It's simply a question of "when."

864 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:56:01pm

re: #858 sadhu

3-4 terrorists still scattered inside Taj hotel?! 100 people still trapped?!
and what about the rest of the city? all the news focus has been on the Taj

this is far from over

Yes, there's still a hostage situation at the Trident as well, we just aren't getting a feed from there.

865 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:56:20pm

re: #856 Occasional Reader

I hope the Indian tac teams do what the SAS team at the Iranian embassy in London did in 1980; shout at the hostages to point out the terrorists who are mixed in with them, then immediately shoot, on the spot, the ones they point out.

That kind of trial is god enough

866 Alouette  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:56:30pm

re: #849 Fenway_Nation

Not-so-bold prediction: Terrorists will try and blend in with the hostages after the shit hits the fans and take out more hostages or police/military operatives while everyone is being evacuated.

They tried that in Beslan, but some of the vics recognized them. At least one terrorist was beaten to death.

867 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:56:50pm

re: #848 Irene NYC

Thanks! You too! Gobble, gobble...
/it's my birthday also. . . big festivity planned.
;)

Happy Birthday!

Remember, keep a list of those who give you "combined birthday/Christmas presents", so that you can extend them the same courtesy.
;)

868 commadore183  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:57:46pm

re: #864 Thanos

Yes, there's still a hostage situation at the Trident as well, we just aren't getting a feed from there.

And I think there's also a hostage situation at the Cama (?) hospital as well as a resturant-type location, I believe.

869 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:58:59pm

re: #865 Flying Dutchman

That kind of trial is god enough

It's completely morally defensible. They do not know which terrorists are hiding firearms or grenades, etc. and attempting to spring a surprise. When these teams go in, it's usually "no quarter", and for very good reasons.

870 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:59:16pm

re: #867 gmsc

Happy Birthday!

Remember, keep a list of those who give you "combined birthday/Christmas presents", so that you can extend them the same courtesy.
;)


Nah, my family and friends are generous and my birthday only falls on Thanksgiving about once every 7 years and then I get to tell everyone that the whole country's being thankful for me. So, it all works out pretty well!
;)

871 Flying Dutchman  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:59:22pm

2 terrorists still in hotel Trident

872 akak  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:59:33pm

Well if India goes all out against Pakistani ISI & the three hundred thousand Taliban, it is certainly warranted.

873 gmsc  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 4:59:38pm

re: #864 Thanos

Yes, there's still a hostage situation at the Trident as well, we just aren't getting a feed from there.

As I was reading that, the NDTV was broadcasting live from in front of the Trident, which is still under siege.

874 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:00:03pm

re: #856 Occasional Reader


I thought the hostages did that without the SAS prompting them...

875 Shug  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:01:10pm

re: #839 Occasional Reader

I don't think so. A historic hotel, now part of a chain... Radisson, perhaps?

Ramadan Inn ?

876 Irene NYC  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:01:24pm

This attack in Mumbai (and some people are reporting attacks south of Mumbai also) is not a terrorist attack. It's war. Problem is it's directly against civilians by people dressed as civilians and civilian authorities. How can anyone stop it without ruining urban life and western civ?

877 kmclay  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:02:14pm

re: #859 Nevergiveup

Well I had to ding ya up for that!

Ain't you sweet? I have to admit that I have been walking around this week and in my mind's eye I have been envisioning what it would be like if a double decker bus exploded in front of my eyes. After seeing this action in Mumbai - I realize how very easily this could be a reality. I'm debating whether I should take the tube over to Finsbury Mosque tomorrow and do some man on the street interviews to gauge the local Islamos reaction...

In unrelated news, "Madagascar 2" and "Four Christmases" had their pr junkets in our hotel and on the floor we are staying on. I've seen Ben Stiller, Reese Witherspoon and Vince Vaughan as they were escorted by their handlers to and from their suites. None of them would make eye contact. Recent Muslim convert Michael Jackson was supposed to be here for his court case but settled out of court and he ended up being a no-show.

878 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:02:25pm

re: #540 sadhu

wrong --- it is a matter of how many more will die first

I disagree. Do you know the etymology of the word "byzantine?"

879 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:02:27pm

re: #869 Occasional Reader

There are some who are still complaining about the lack of Tupac Amaru terrorist survivors when the Peruvian special forces unit raided the Japanese embassy seized by the terrorists....

880 tappin52  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:03:20pm

I will be thankful if President elect Obama all of a sudden realizes that our response to the next incident here will be on his shoulders. I hope that his supposed superior intellect is focused like a laser beam in the right direction. He had better plan his moves now.

881 yochanan  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:04:13pm

[Link: israeljewishnews.blogspot.com...]
anyone have more official reports on mumbai chabad terror attack?

882 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:05:24pm

re: #879 Fenway_Nation

There are some who are still complaining about the lack of Tupac Amaru terrorist survivors when the Peruvian special forces unit raided the Japanese embassy seized by the terrorists....

Yeah, although I gotta say, they maybe took that a step too far... accepted the surrender of some, then took them out back, and executed them. Among other things, a bad tactical decision, since you won't get information from them.

I was living in Lima at the time that happened; heard a lot of fascinating stories about it, and actually have some inside info, which I still can't really disclose. The Peruvians did that op brilliantly.

883 SFGoth  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:05:47pm

re: #819 lostlakehiker

Nonsense. As Stalin once said of the Nazi invasion, Comrades, our strength is enormous. THESE guys have bitten off way more than they can chew. [ ] it ends in exact and perfect analogy to what happened to Nazism and the Nazi leaders at the end of WW2.


-----------
The Nazis were a formal state with a formal military. How do you defeat Islamism? Who's going to play Jodl?

884 Occasional Reader  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:05:55pm

Daylight in Mumbai now.

885 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:06:43pm

Pakistan Daily Times report:

MUMBAI: Terror struck India’s financial capital late on Wednesday as coordinated serial explosions and indiscriminate firing rocked nine areas across Mumbai including the crowded CST railway station, two five star hotels, Oberoi and Taj, leaving as many as 82 persons dead and over 250 injured. Also, terrorists have taken dozens of innocent people under hostage.

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of CST and opened fire and threw grenades, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said.

The terror strike which began at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST),formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 30 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said. Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and the rest were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees.

The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Maharashtra DGP A. N. Roy said Wednesday's attack in "at least seven places" is a "terror strike."

Indian Special Security Force Commandoes were rushed to the CST, which wore a deserted look and train services suspended.

Some people were injured in the firing in Oberoi hotel, and taken to a nearby hospital in police vans and ambulance. Firing was also reported in Taj hotel.

Firing was reported at Colaba, Nariman Point and near Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminal, formerly Victoria Terminus and it was still continuing.

Firing was also reported at Cama Hospital in south Mumbai, police said, adding that a blast was reported in a taxi under a flyover in suburban Vile Parle. A bomb went off in a taxi in Mazegaon dockyard road

886 LoFlyer  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:07:00pm

re: #881 yochanan

[Link: israeljewishnews.blogspot.com...]
anyone have more official reports on mumbai chabad terror attack?

No, mate. Reports are ominous about the Chabad attack. Our prayers are for their safety...

887 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:07:22pm

re: #880 tappin52

I will be thankful if President elect Obama all of a sudden realizes that our response to the next incident here will be on his shoulders. I hope that his supposed superior intellect is focused like a laser beam in the right direction. He had better plan his moves now.

His decision to surround himself with people (save Robert Gates) that think the War On Terror should be waged in court is not promising

888 Sharmuta  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:08:09pm

The Times of India has a lot of information- they just added a scrolling banner now. THey also have more video.

889 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:08:15pm
890 biff  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:08:17pm

How many Hindus in Pakistan? How many muslims in India? I don't understand why the Indian Hindus don't see themselves in a similar boat with the Israelis.

891 Yankee Zionist  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:08:23pm

"It appears that this was a very well thought out strategy and a well-conceived planning designed to spread terror throughout the city."

893 Thanos  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:09:18pm

US General says what I've been saying since 2006:

[Link: www.thenews.com.pk...]

894 BBev  Wed, Nov 26, 2008 5:09:21pm