Fresh meat time! Ring the chow bell!

A new thread to stretch out and get comfortable in, *AHHH*

Expecting a few trolls and moby's this evening?

/I will get the smoker out.

Never trust the teller. Trust the tale.

— D. H. Lawrence

Is it too late to trust the tail?

At least four terrorists are holed up in the Taj Hotel where 40 to 50 guests were still trapped, a senior army officer said here today.

My son turns 18 Sunday...is that when I get to quit waiting up late...and worrying...for him to come home?

re: #3 BlueCanuck

Expecting a few trolls and moby's this evening?

/I will get the smoker out.

Mine's still cookin' just took the turkey off, making gravy out of the drippin's.

re: #6 Inquisitive

My son turns 18 Sunday...is that when I get to quit waiting up late...and worrying...for him to come home?

I don't think the worrying ever stops.

re: #7 JCM

Mine's still cookin' just took the turkey off, making gravy out of the drippin's.

gravy from gamy troll buttocks?!? *BARF*

I'll never go to my bank again!
/

re: #6 Inquisitive

That will only happen when he finally moves out and gets his own place. Then you will worry that his basic needs are taken care of. From what my mom tells me, she never stops worrying about me and my brothers.

/been out from their home for over 20 years now.

re: #1 Outrider

Fresh meat time! Ring the chow bell!

Where's Rosie?

re: #12 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Where's Rosie?

*RETCH*

re: #8 spirochete

I don't think the worrying ever stops.

I know...I know...have a older daughter...she just didn't seem to make me worry as much...then or now.

re: #12 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Where's Rosie?

Uggghhh. :p I don't think you could even make good fertilizer out of that.

re: #6 Inquisitive

My son turns 18 Sunday...is that when I get to quit waiting up late...and worrying...for him to come home?

I lived at home for about 8 months after a 4 year hitch in the Army. Stayed out late and howled at the moon till the wee hours. Mom may have been in bed,but she didn't sleep until I made my way in the door.

/to answer your question...No.

re: #15 BlueCanuck

Uggghhh. :p I don't think you could even make good fertilizer out of that.

Toxic waste contaminated soil, urgh.

re: #6 Inquisitive

My son turns 18 Sunday...is that when I get to quit waiting up late...and worrying...for him to come home?

That's when you start worrying. Sorry, been there. But take solace in the fact that 21 is even worse.

re: #16 x-wing

I lived at home for about 8 months after a 4 year hitch in the Army. Stayed out late and howled at the moon till the wee hours. Mom may have been in bed,but she didn't sleep until I made my way in the door.

/to answer your question...No.

I was 16 when I joined the volunteer fire department. I get call in the middle of night and run out of the house, dad wouldn't hear a thing. When I got back I'd try to sneak in, he'd wake right up.

If you are a dreamer, come in,
If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar,
A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer . . .
If you're a pretender, come sit by my fire
For we have some flax golden tales to spin.
Come in!
Come in!

(Invitation, by Shel Silverstein)

re: #6 Inquisitive

Mostly (18) that is when they resent it. 21 is when you take a big breath.
Don't let him see you, but do mention it the next day.
He woke you up.

re: #13 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #15 BlueCanuck

Outrider asked about cowbells. I'm sorry.

Ah...he is home...thank you Lord...once again!

re: #10 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Ask and you shall receive, new thread.

re: #18 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

That's when you start worrying. Sorry, been there. But take solace in the fact that 21 is even worse.

Gee...Thanks

re: #22 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

re: #15 BlueCanuck

Outrider asked about cowbells. I'm sorry.

Calling Rosie a cow in need of a bell is a grave insult and terrible discrimination to bovines everywhere.

No matter how late I stay out, the next day my mom will say "3:30, huh?" or something like that. Must be a mom thing.

re: #23 Inquisitive

Ah...he is home...thank you Lord...once again!

Now, he's dead...
/;-P

re: #19 JCM

Do you still run? I ran for 14 years . Dad ran to but mom usually had to wake him up.

Mom was the watch dog in my family, but Dad was the enforcer.

re: #25 Inquisitive

Gee...Thanks

I disagee, 21 is when their brain re- engages with the body (and hormones) and they become adults. Mostly ; )

re: #30 LindaMarie

I disagee, 21 is when their brain re- engages with the body (and hormones) and they become adults. Mostly ; )

21? body and brain? and hormones? Something went wrong here. ;)

re: #31 taxfreekiller

suicide missions need closure,
put a hole in the hole they are holed up in

next

I would ask you to elaborate on that - but - the thought of reading it is a bit scary.

TWO open threads tonight! It's like Christmas came a month early!

Tower Of Power

/Back To Oakland

re: #29 x-wing

Do you still run? I ran for 14 years . Dad ran to but mom usually had to wake him up.

Mom was the watch dog in my family, but Dad was the enforcer.

No more FD for me, bad knees. Mom was a gentle enforcer, dad's bluster was tolerable, but to disappoint mom, that was the worst.

re: #27 tommygum
Hell, my mom only had to fix the "Irish Eyes" upon me, 1st gen lazers I think they were!...:{

re: #25 Inquisitive

Gee...Thanks

I'm sorry, but it is what it is. Just hope you raised him with common sense. I know when I was that age I had none, as much as my parents tried.

re: #30 LindaMarie

I disagee, 21 is when their brain re- engages with the body (and hormones) and they become adults. Mostly ; )

Don't take this the wrong way but...Bwwwahahahahahah.

//

re: #33 LindaMarie

I would ask you to elaborate on that - but - the thought of reading it is a bit scary.

/asking TFK to elaborate is even more scary

re: #38 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm sorry, but it is what it is. Just hope you raised him with common sense. I know when I was that age I had none, as much as my parents tried.

/Sorry...but I didn't think common sense and 18 yr old...went together...

re: #32 FurryOldGuyJeans

21? body and brain? and hormones? Something went wrong here. ;)

It becomes I think more a fact of you realizing you are not immortal.
Bones do break and they do not heal has easy as at 18. Now at over 50 (not saying) I know that is true and realized it at about 20.
Babies bounce - the Lord made them to do that.
As you get older - darn - it justs hurts more.

re: #29 x-wing

I ran for 14 years .

Quite impressive, I've never manager to run for more than 14 minutes but that may be just due to the bronchitis.

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Calling Rosie a cow in need of a bell is a grave insult and terrible discrimination to bovines everywhere.

Ya think her, ahem, "girlfriend", likes Rosie for her looks? Or for her bank account?
At least Ann Heche or however you spell her name, when she with with Ellen DeGenerate, could look at Ellen and say she's kind of attractive. But even she realized it wasn't worth it.
How the hell could anyone look at that naked fat pig O'Donnell and say "I love her" and seriously mean it?

re: #36 JCM

No more FD for me, bad knees. Mom was a gentle enforcer, dad's bluster was tolerable, but to disappoint mom, that was the worst.

Yeah, I don't run anymore either. It was a great 14 years, but moved out of the area.

When I was young I tried my best to not piss Mom off. After I joined the Military, she realized how much I did around the house(my younger brothers were lazy,but part of that was her fault), I guess she cut me some slack when I came back home.

re: #41 Inquisitive

/Sorry...but I didn't think common sense and 18 yr old...went together...

They don't. 'Twas my point.

Plumes Spewing From Saturn Moon May Contain Water
High-powered plumes spewing from an icy Saturn moon may contain water, say NASA scientists

Cool pic too!

re: #45 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

My love life is a bust all on its own, I don't need to borrow trouble contemplating the attraction someone has for Rosie, thank you very much.

Just watched the interview with the designated British Consul. He seems totally unaware that the perpetrators were Muslims! /
One wonders what this inability to speak the truth accomplishes, except making the Muslims more angry, after all they want their Islamic terror appreciated as a Jihadic work of religious art, and the rest of world more comfortable, while they await their slaughter.
The CNN gal ain't buying it.

re: #46 x-wing

Yeah, I don't run anymore either. It was a great 14 years, but moved out of the area.

When I was young I tried my best to not piss Mom off. After I joined the Military, she realized how much I did around the house(my younger brothers were lazy,but part of that was her fault), I guess she cut me some slack when I came back home.

I got hired full time, then got laid off right at the end of the Carter recession. Keep at it volunteer for another 15 years. Try to get hired again but didn't work out.

re: #48 JCM

Cool pic too!

Link, link link...

PIMF

re: #29 x-wing

My Dad was THE enforcer, (German) Had a razor strop? 3 inches of thick leather about 3+ feet long and when doubled over and snapped upon itself, sounded like a rifle shot going off in the stair-well has he climbed up to our room to deliver the "punishment." My brother once dived out of the second story window (landing in a huge Jasmine bush thankfully) and my father and I watched with dropped jaws as he bolted down the drive-way.

I think he put the strap up after that one...:]

re: #39 x-wing

Don't take this the wrong way but...Bwwwahahahahahah.

//

I am not taking it the wrong way. Every kid (person) is different.
This boy had more common sense at 10 then I did at 20. Kind of took my breath away at times.
He is now on his own in the US, at our house, and in College. We were there in August for a month and he is doing a good job. Introduced me to his girl friend who came over, and a few nights he called and said he was staying at her place.
I am proud of him. He is now 21 (20 then) so there are times when you just need to back off and trust that your 18 years of parenting did the trick.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see this even on FOX:

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

Thank you brave men and women, recognition will come years later...

re: #44 taxfreekiller

go get the mad mullas who hide and push it all on and on and on...

/satellite says, gots to live somewhere

re: #43 Neo Con since 9-11

Quite impressive, I've never manager to run for more than 14 minutes but that may be just due to the bronchitis.

LOL, I just felt like runing

Crap, I need to restart my computer. BBIAF...

re: #59 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Crap, I need to restart my computer. BBIAF...

Restart? What's that?

/mac arrogance

So, how are you going to prepare your turkey?

Here's several manly ways to prepare a turkey:

• Scientifically
• Bacon-wrapped turkey
• Cajun Deep-Fried Turkey
• Beer Can Turkey
• Turducken
• Bourbon Whiskey Turkey
• Bagging the Turkey yourself

re: #61 gmsc

Letting someone else do the cooking. ;)

re: #61 gmsc

So, how are you going to prepare your turkey?

Here's several manly ways to prepare a turkey:

• Scientifically
• Bacon-wrapped turkey
• Cajun Deep-Fried Turkey
• Beer Can Turkey
• Turducken
• Bourbon Whiskey Turkey
• Bagging the Turkey yourself

Smoked,
36lbs of charcoal.
5lbs of apple chips
12 hours

Apple smoked turkey.
Is that manly enough for ya?

re: #51 JCM

Thought about going paid once,but the closest company was Baltimore County, MD. I didn't feel like getting shot at . so I gave up on that.

re: #61 gmsc

Since cooking a turkey for myself is a waste of food. I usually do the bacon wrap on a stuffed turkey breast. Tastes real good too.

/a little bit of garlic mashed and the drippings used as gravey. . . .

re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans

Wusss.

/white smoke

Turkey breasts out of the freezer and into the refrigerator.

/glad I caught that, turkey's evil enough without trying to cook it after defrosting it in a microwave

re: #63 JCM

Smoked,
36lbs of charcoal.
5lbs of apple chips
12 hours

Apple smoked turkey.
Is that manly enough for ya?

You know, if 36 lbs. of charcoal will cook it in 12 hours, save yourself some time! Use 144 lbs. of charcoal, so it cooks in only 3 hours! That's the manly way to do it!

re: #61 gmsc

18-20 Lbs,

Rock salt, cracked pepper and fresh sage under the skin with a ton of whole butter and minced celery. 4 halfed oranges from my tree into the cavity

Smoked...14 hours over apple wood, I will check it now before going to bed...so

night lizards...have a great Thanks-Giving!

Turkey Day on the Tube

It's almost Thanksgiving, which means it's time for TV shows to start rolling out their holiday specials, with a healthy dose of family values and nostalgic morals. Of these 11 descriptions of Thanksgiving episodes (click link above), can you identify the show they came from?

Western intelligence services have been expecting an al-Qaeda spectacular terrorist attack in this crucial period between the end of President George Bush’s administration and the succession of Barack Obama.

Why does the MSM and government officials always toss in the al-Qaeda word when terrorism strikes? The deaths and carnage in India have nothing to do with al-Qaeda , but everything to do with Islam.

Turkey is the 5th most consumed animal of the planet.
(weird)

re: #63 JCM
Dude ...ya stealing me cooking secs now?

re: #69 Nightwatch

18-20 Lbs,

Rock salt, cracked pepper and fresh sage under the skin with a ton of whole butter and minced celery. 4 halfed oranges from my tree into the cavity

Smoked...14 hours over apple wood, I will check it now before going to bed...so

night lizards...have a great Thanks-Giving!

We DON'T have time to grow a tree.

re: #53 Nightwatch

Wow, it wasn't that bad for me, but being the oldest boy,I got it when my two youger brothers screwed up, just because I should've known better.

/scared of heights too, so I wasn't jumping out any windows.

I base mine in gasoline and a bit of naptha then throw it on an old New York Times with a match. Ready in 15 minutes.

re: #72 pat

Turkey is the 5th most consumed animal of the planet.
(weird)

Prove it.

re: #72 pat

Turkey is the 5th most consumed animal of the planet.
(weird)

/meat for less than $.50 a pound, contemplate that

re: #64 x-wing

Thought about going paid once,but the closest company was Baltimore County, MD. I didn't feel like getting shot at . so I gave up on that.

Happen once, rolled up in the middle of a biker war just as it escalated to shots fired.

Scariest it ever got for me was tending to a domestic abuse victim when hubby came home with a .357 and GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY WIFE! I was 1 second from diving through a plate glass window when a sheriff stuck his gun in the back of the guys head. I went from thinking I'm going to get shot at, to I'm gonna' see this guys head blown off in half a second.

If I'm gonna' get shot at, I want the means to return the favor.

re: #68 gmsc

Smokers know the bird my friend...smokers know the bird!

re: #72 pat

Turkey is the 5th most consumed animal of the planet.
(weird)

The 5th most consumed, Gracie?

re: #75 x-wing
Oldest of the six, Dad thought I should know better!

re: #68 gmsc

You know, if 36 lbs. of charcoal will cook it in 12 hours, save yourself some time! Use 144 lbs. of charcoal, so it cooks in only 3 hours! That's the manly way to do it!

LOL! Now why didn't I think of that!

Saw it on Modern Marvels tonite. love that show.

re: #54 LindaMarie

Sounds like you did a fine job raising him.

re: #74 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

You OWE me a new keybord, this one is surely drowned with spit out merlot!2,8888---+-)9*&&
DAMN YOU!>;;;>""{}{}{

India calls for day of mourning

Day of mourning? How about a day of Rage!

re: #84 pat

Saw it on Modern Marvels tonite. love that show.

Here's more fun Thanksgiving facts from the History Channel!

re: #83 JCM

LOL! Now why didn't I think of that!

Hell, if you were a real man, you quit that wussy stuff and go right to the acetylene torch. ;-)>

re: #61 gmsc

So, how are you going to prepare your turkey?

Here's several manly ways to prepare a turkey:

• Scientifically
• Bacon-wrapped turkey
• Cajun Deep-Fried Turkey
• Beer Can Turkey
• Turducken
• Bourbon Whiskey Turkey
• Bagging the Turkey yourself

It just isn't Thanksgiving without a Turkey that has been cooking in the oven for several hours...still love the good old fashion way...tried the fried and the smoked...we're are back to the oven roasted...

#6 Inquisitive
Some parents don't care when their chldren come home, even when they are juveniles, but most worry about them for the rest of their lives.
My only son and his family traveled 275 miles today to be with us two days for Thanksgiving. You can safely bet my wife and I gave silent blessings when they arrived in the dark after a road trip on crowded highways.
We are 81 years old, and our son is 56. Still, we worry.
We are probably a little more wary than most, having lost 7 members of our immediate family to no-fault highway accidents in past years.
I believe the greatest sadness one can have is burying loved ones who died in needless accidents.
Pray that you need not undergo that special grief, and tomorrow give thanks for the presence on earth of your living family.
Old Engineer

re: #79 JCM

Damn. you got that right.

re: #88 gmsc

Here's more fun Thanksgiving facts from the History Channel!

/they're giving up their Bigfoot/UFO focus for the holidays?

re: #93 Killian Bundy

/they're giving up their Bigfoot/UFO focus for the holidays?

Now, now. They also have a thriving Nostradamus audience!

re: #91 Old Engineer

#6 Inquisitive
Some parents don't care when their chldren come home, even when they are juveniles, but most worry about them for the rest of their lives.
My only son and his family traveled 275 miles today to be with us two days for Thanksgiving. You can safely bet my wife and I gave silent blessings when they arrived in the dark after a road trip on crowded highways.
We are 81 years old, and our son is 56. Still, we worry.
We are probably a little more wary than most, having lost 7 members of our immediate family to no-fault highway accidents in past years.
I believe the greatest sadness one can have is burying loved ones who died in needless accidents.
Pray that you need not undergo that special grief, and tomorrow give thanks for the presence on earth of your living family.
Old Engineer

Oh...I know I will never quit worrying about him...if you love them...you worry...so glad your family made it safe and sound...hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving together...sharing with family and friends is what it is really all about...and like yours...each year our table has fewer at it...not from tragic accidents...and yes I do and will always give thanks and pray that I will never have to go through such an experience as the one your family has had to go through...Have a Happy Thanksgiving...my friend

re: #91 Old Engineer

I am so sorry for the loss of your family members. That is so tragic.

But I am very glad your son and his family got there safely, and hope you have a fantastic Thanksgiving Day tomorrow. :)

re: #55 eddiespaghetti

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see this even on FOX:

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

Thank you brave men and women, recognition will come years later...

of course you didn't... which was pretty much his/her/its point.

re: #61 gmsc

beer can here... on charcoal and guava wood in a WSM.

re: #63 JCM

Smoked,
36lbs of charcoal.
5lbs of apple chips
12 hours

Apple smoked turkey.
Is that manly enough for ya?

i'll bite: how many turkeys are you doing and what are you cooking on?

Night all

Happy Thanksgiving!

Off to grandma's house tomorrow with the turkey!

*bird you insensitive louts, not me!

re: #87 Maximu§

India calls for day of mourning

Day of mourning? How about a day of Rage!

There'll be 364 other days for that.

re: #91 Old Engineer

I have in my 20+ years in the field of E.R Medicine have had to be part of what you speak ,though only in the capacity of one trying to give comfort for the loss after all efforts have failed. I am thankful for you that you have your son and his family to be with you on the day of Thanks and I very much so pray that he will be with you for many Thanks-Givings to come.

re: #99 redc1c4

i'll bite: how many turkeys are you doing and what are you cooking on?

Slow smoked, just one but I've done two. In a Brinkman.

Night all!

re: #97 redc1c4

Hey.

/have you rammed your Heineken 24 oz "keg" beer can up your poor turkey's ass yet?

Good night to all...Prayers for all ,to have a wonderful day with all their family and friends...

re: #99 redc1c4

Can I cut in?

I'm thinking a Brinksman smoker

re: #104 Killian Bundy

Hey.

/have you rammed your Heineken 24 oz "keg" beer can up your poor turkey's ass yet?

i was saving the tasteless Heineken for you... are you ready? %-)

/white smoke

re: #106 Nightwatch

Can I cut in?

I'm thinking a Brinksman smoker

that explains why he used so much charcoal... the ECB is a POS.

/barely beats no smoker at all... %-)

re: #106 Nightwatch

Can I cut in?

I'm thinking a Brinksman smoker

/no, he's got a custom mount, we covered this last night, linky forthcoming

re: #108 redc1c4

Gotta fess up this year..

Using a propane ring at the bottom this time with large apple wood chunks, least I can get better sleep...;)

re: #109 Killian Bundy

/no, he's got a custom mount, we covered this last night, linky forthcoming

that much charcoal and wood, he better be cooking a whole flock of birds...

re: #109 Killian Bundy

See 110, I confess...

re: #107 redc1c4

i was saving the tasteless Heineken for you

Seriously?

/collect it all, I don't drink beer anymore, but alcohol is alcohol, where I can get it

re: #110 Nightwatch

Gotta fess up this year..

Using a propane ring at the bottom this time with large apple wood chunks, least I can get better sleep...;)

slow smoking birds is a food safety danger, from all accounts, even if you brine. if you insist on doing it, get a WSM and use the Minnion method, then you can sleep all night long. the WSM will hold a steady temp for 12+ hours, once it's stable.

greetings and such...

bored. watching cnn. they just reported a new explosion in the Hotel Oberi. perhaps it's the late night replay but they had the littel live logo up.

gotta say, as far as terrorist rampages go, this one gets low marks for creativity, but earns bonus points for longevity.

re: #113 Killian Bundy

Seriously?

/collect it all, I don't drink beer anymore, but alcohol is alcohol, where I can get it

no: i meant i was going to apply the can, as it were... call it "Beer Butt Bundy"

/white smoke

Well, I'm exhausted. Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving, and I pray for safe travels for those driving tomorrow, like us.

Talk to y'all tomorrow evening, when the tryptophan in the turkey has set in and and we're all delirious and fat from eating pies and casseroles. :)

Goodnight!

re: #114 redc1c4
You speak in Smker tongue! What be this "W" smoking machine u speak of?

re: #115 mockery jones

greetings and such...

bored. watching cnn. they just reported a new explosion in the Hotel Oberi. perhaps it's the late night replay but they had the littel live logo up.

gotta say, as far as terrorist rampages go, this one gets low marks for creativity, but earns bonus points for longevity.

lets hope they were sucky at OPSEC...

welcome aboard FNG: the drinks are on you...

/see Blue Canuck for payment info.

re: #114 redc1c4

no: i meant i was going to apply the can, as it were... call it "Beer Butt Bundy"

/I'd be honored

Sorry about the delay, I was looking for a strip on how real men do grilling and cooking. ;)

re: #118 Nightwatch

You speak in Smker tongue! What be this "W" smoking machine u speak of?

this is the WSSM.

a regular one only has one middle section, but us rednecks just can't resist modifying things...

google "Weber Smokey Mountain" for more details

re: #115 mockery jones

I can't find anything that I'm sure is up to date either.

Now that you're here, find yourself a cool avatar, and get me a beer.

re: #119 redc1c4

sorry brother i only buy drinks for cute brunettes i'm trying to nail...

i'll gladly roll one up for the room to make up for it though...

re: #121 BlueCanuck

Sorry about the delay, I was looking for a strip on how real men do grilling and cooking. ;)

Have you finished building this yet?

re: #125 gmsc

Ran out of money and space. :)

/not to mention the permits for the burn time, something about idling fees.

re: #124 mockery jones

Mockery jones...

as in, "I've got a ..." ?

:D

re: #122 redc1c4

Got it.
Actually thought of building something in fire-brick in my back yard for the summer-time rib fests I do so love to do, Hot-Links, Baby-Backs, Country ribs, and slabs 4-6 hours with the hick-wood and special bottle shaker to keep the fire just right...Damn it's raining again...gotta go check the smoker...have a fine turkey day all you lizards!

re: #86 Nightwatch

You OWE me a new keybord, this one is surely drowned with spit out merlot!2,8888---+-)9*&&
DAMN YOU!>;;>""{}{}{

Put it on Kilgore's tab.
/He's good for it...

re: #129 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Put it on Kilgore's tab.
/He's good for it...

I've had to replace three keyboards since I've been here. And that's in about 7 months. Get over it! : )

re: #130 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I've had to replace three keyboards since I've been here. And that's in about 7 months. Get over it! : )

/always have spare of everything

re: #126 BlueCanuck

Ran out of money and space. :)

/not to mention the permits for the burn time, something about idling fees.

try this: it's genuine Lowe Tech

All this grilling and smoking and other food talk and me with an old All-sups burrito. Thank God tomorrow is Thanksgiving.

Oh Crap!
It's 3:30am and I have GOT to hit the sack...everybody is asleep.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone..
The Hoopster has always said..
Thanksgiving means Home
If you can't be home today..close your eyes today and go there now..
Happy thanksgiving Lizards!

re: #128 Nightwatch

Got it.
Actually thought of building something in fire-brick in my back yard for the summer-time rib fests I do so love to do, Hot-Links, Baby-Backs, Country ribs, and slabs 4-6 hours with the hick-wood and special bottle shaker to keep the fire just right...Damn it's raining again...gotta go check the smoker...have a fine turkey day all you lizards!

i've got leads for some plans and construction pics where others have already gone there... might save ya some heart ache/money

re: #134 HoosierHoops

Oh Crap!
It's 3:30am and I have GOT to hit the sack...everybody is asleep.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone..
The Hoopster has always said..
Thanksgiving means Home
If you can't be home today..close your eyes today and go there now..
Happy thanksgiving Lizards!

Good night!

I think I have to hit the hay myself. Between today's long day of India attacks, and tomorrow's Thanksgiving, I'm turning in!

Well, actually today is Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

re: #124 mockery jones

sorry brother i only buy drinks for cute brunettes i'm trying to nail...

i'll gladly roll one up for the room to make up for it though...

long as you don't bogart it...

/we're just take the drink tab out of your first month's check %-)

Found this article about MTV hosting "Be The Change" inaugural ball.
Quotes:

America's Youth to Come Together (hi Lennon!) to Celebrate a New President, a New Generation of Leadership, and a New Era of Community

MTV Programming Will Highlight Young People Across America Taking Action to Aid Their Communities

MTV and ServiceNation today announced they will host the "Be The Change Inaugural Ball" in Washington D.C. on January 20, 2009 to celebrate the massive youth voter turnout in the 2008 Presidential Election and an active commitment from America's youth to impart positive social change through volunteer service.
Held at The Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center in Washington D.C., the event will feature leading artists, celebrities and government officials, alongside hundreds of young people chosen to attend based off their demonstrated volunteerism, for live performances and dedications highlighting the power of America's youth to take action in their communities.

The ServiceNation site has quite a list, if anyone is digging. Communism, marketed and packaged, and sold with the flashy hipness that is MTV. I see a lot of "green" names on that list. Bet my last quatloo that Soros is behind this.

Oh, good evening all. :)

I thought the "huge youth turnout" turned out to be hype.

ServiceNation leadership council includes:

* Andi Bernstein
* Tom A. Bernstein, President and Co-founder, Chelsea Piers
* Michael R. Bloomberg, Mayor, New York, NY; Chairman, National September 11 Memorial and Museum
* Cory Booker, Mayor, Newark, NJ
* Richard H. Brodhead, President, Duke University
* Neil Bush, CEO, Global XS
* Geoffrey Canada, President and CEO, Harlem Children's Zone
* Mortimer Caplin, Former Commissioner, Internal Revenue Service
* Vice Admiral Richard Carmona, Former U.S. Surgeon General
* Jean Case, CEO, The Case Foundation
* Richard Celeste, President, Colorado College
* Ray Chambers, Amelior Foundation
* Richard Cizik, Vice President, National Association of Evangelicals
* Henry Cisneros, Chairman, CityView; Former U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
* Glenn Close, Actress
* William Cohen, Former Secretary of Defense; Former U.S. Senator
* Janet Langhart Cohen, Author; Founder, Citizen Patriot Organization
* Scott Cowen, President, Tulane University
* Tom Daschle, Former U.S. Senator
* John J. DeGioia, President, Georgetown University
* Manny Diaz, Mayor, Miami, FL
* John Dilulio, Former Director, Office of Faith*Based and Community Initiatives; Author, The Godly Republic
* Melinda Doolittle, Recording Artist
* Paul Fireman, Founder, Reebok
* Al From, Founder and CEO, Democratic Leadership Council
* Susan Fuhrman, President, Teachers College, Columbia University
* Mark Gearan, President, Hobart and William Smith Colleges
* David Gergen, Professor of Public Service and Director, Center for Public Leadership, Harvard University
* Michael Gerson, Columnist, The Washington Post
* Stephen Goldsmith, Former Mayor, Indianapolis, IN
* Jennifer Granholm, Governor, Michigan

and many many more, here

Funniest thing about the wiki article, at the bottom, under See Also:
See Also: Conscription in America LOL!

re: #141 Taqiyyotomist

See Also: Conscription in America LOL!

Yikes! Maybe not so funny.

re: #139 Taqiyyotomist

Found this article about MTV hosting "Be The Change" inaugural ball.
Quotes:

The ServiceNation site has quite a list, if anyone is digging. Communism, marketed and packaged, and sold with the flashy hipness that is MTV. I see a lot of "green" names on that list. Bet my last quatloo that Soros is behind this.

Oh, good evening all. :)

MTV (Moron TV) is going to have an "Inaugural Ball"...Wonder why they never had one when President Bush was elected in 2000 and 2004.
/Oh wait, he was selected, not elected.

Has Moron TV ever been more irrelevant than it is these days?

re: #143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I think when all the music stations stopped playing music is when they became irrelevant.

/shut up and sing idiots.

re: #143 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Has Moron TV ever been more irrelevant than it is these days?

Well, seeing as to how it has never been relevant...

From "Servile Nation" by William Norman Grigg

In his 1936 book The Philosophy of Fascism, Mario Palmieri explained that under Mussolini's variant of quasi-socialist collectivism, "a true, a great spiritual life cannot take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified ... with this need of raising the State to its rightful position."

The "rightful position" Palmieri alludes to, of course, is master.

Not many people realize that nearly two decades before Mussolini's ideological priesthood taught those tenets in Italy, the same gospel of collectivism was being preached in the United States under the reign of the despicable Woodrow Wilson. In fact, there's a strong case to be made that fascism and national socialism were invented by American collectivists, rather than their counterparts in Italy or Germany.

Bernard Baruch, chairman of Wilson's War Industries Board (and the son of a German who fled that country to avoid conscription) unflinchingly espoused the concept of state ownership of its subjects in an August 7, 1918 newspaper editorial:

"Every man's life is at the call of the nation and so must be every man's property. We are living today in a highly organized state of socialism. The state is all; the individual is of importance only as he contributes to the welfare of the state. His property is his only as the state does not need it. He must hold his life and possessions at the call of the state."

Responding to those who condemned conscription as a form of impermissible enforced servitude, Baruch assumed that there is some ineffable quality of government that elevates and purifies officially sanctioned slavery.

"Enforced and involuntary service for a private master," Baruch insisted, "is and has been clearly and repeatedly defined by our Supreme Court as slavery." But this wasn't true of those drafted into the military, or into industrial armies through the Wilson regime's "Work or Fight" program: "A soldier serves the nation directly. There is but one master in the case and that master is America. He serves to profit no one but the country as a whole" – or, more honestly stated, the government ruling the country.

As someone who lusted to impose an austere uniformity upon irrepressibly individualistic Americans, Baruch was sorely disappointed when World War I ended so quickly.

"Had the war gone on another year, our whole civil population would have gradually emerged (as wardrobes and inventories became exhausted) in cheap but serviceable uniform," he wrote wistfully in his book American Industry in the War, published in 1941 as the Regime in Washington geared up for a second mass bloodletting. "Types of shoes were to be reduced to two or three. The manufacture of pleasure automobiles was to cease."

Although Baruch and his comrades failed to consummate their desire to transform America into a dull gray collectivist monolith, the former War Commissar could take some satisfaction in knowing that his work was appreciated abroad.

Writing of Germany's National Socialist regime, Baruch proudly noted: "German military experts have said, ‘Except for a few minor changes, the German economic mobilization system was conscientiously built in imitation of the similar American system.'"

Let me repeat, and italicize, that admission:

Bernard Baruch, the architect of Wilson's wartime collectivist state, was proud that the Nazi regime was using his program of universal conscription as the blueprint for their own totalitarian order.

As for the NFL...my picks are in bold:

1) Titans vs. Loins Lie-Downs Lions
2) Seahawks vs. Cowboys
3) Cardinals vs. Eagles

The Eagles are in big trouble if the Cards beat them. And the Cards are pretty good. Been awhile since that's been the case.

re: #145 Rancher

Well, seeing as to how it has never been relevant...

No, Rancher, it was when I watched it when it first started in the early 80's. Everybody my age tuned in to see the latest video, and it didn't by what musician.

I was always a hard rock/heavy metal fan and I still am. But back then we'd all tune in to see latest video from Prince, Culture Club, or whoever. We'd think most of them sucked rotten eggs, but we'd tune in to see them because we could.
That's my point. MTV has evolved into this land of liberal nonsense, airing shows about homosexuals going through each others dresser drawers, and swelling their underwear and then hooking up. Who the hell wants to watch that shit? Disgusting...

re: #148 Rancher

The Eagles are in big trouble if the Cards beat them. And the Cards are pretty good. Been awhile since that's been the case.

Not likely. West coast teams going to the east coast lose about 75% of the time.

re: #148 Rancher

The Eagles are in big trouble if the Cards beat them. And the Cards are pretty good. Been awhile since that's been the case.

Hang on, I'll find you the stats...

Here ya go Rancher- [Link: www.sportsline.com...]

re: #150 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Not likely. West coast teams going to the east coast lose about 75% of the time.

that's because of the uncivilized and unhealthy conditions back there...

/white smoke

re: #152 redc1c4

that's because of the uncivilized and unhealthy conditions back there...

/white smoke

well, that's a kill...

i'm off for the fruitcup frig and bed.

L8r!

re: #149 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
I meant relevant politically, are you saying it's no longer relevant to the music industry?

Night red, enjoy your smoking turkey.

re: #149 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

PIMF-

That's my point. MTV has evolved into this land of liberal nonsense, airing shows about homosexuals going through each others dresser drawers, and SMELLING their underwear and then hooking up. Who the hell wants to watch that shit? Disgusting...

re: #154 Rancher

I meant relevant politically, are you saying it's no longer relevant to the music industry?

Yes. Have you watched the cRap? That's all the losers play. Even the guy who founded MTV thinks it sucks.

re: #151 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Past performance does not guarantee future results. Will McNabb start? He's overrated ya know.

And, no, I've never watched MTV.

re: #158 Rancher

Past performance does not guarantee future results. Will McNabb start? He's overrated ya know.

He's better than Kevin Kolb...

re: #160 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

He's better than Kevin Kolb...

And being a Bears fan from Chicago, I'd take McNabb over Orton or Grossman.

Andy Reid will do everything he can to help the Eagles lose. It's his gift.

re: #160 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

I'm better than Kevin Kolb. Looks like its just us buddy. What a slow night, 15 guests in the hotel and almost all the night lizards sleeping in preparation for turkey day. Will we get fruit-cup tonight?

re: #163 Rancher

We should get fruitcup. I have seen littleoldlady miss fruitcup a handful of times. Only once by accident. The other couple of times fellow lizards pitched in and made sure that there was some on the buffet.

/dead thread without fruitcup is not a dead thread.

I'm torn between who sucks worse...the Eggles or MTV.

re: #165 Fenway_Nation

MTV, by miles. Once they started doing t.v. shows that had no relevance to music they started down a long path to just being another cable channel.

re: #163 Rancher

I'm better than Kevin Kolb.

Lets not get carried away. As bad as some NFL QB's are, we could never play the position. And Kevin Kolb might be a damn good QB. U of Houston is not like your local community college.

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Well...between the Philadelphia Eggles and MTV, I wouldn't go out of my way to see either.

re: #165 Fenway_Nation

If A-Rod is really banging Madonna I think the answer is obvious.

re: #167 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Lets not get carried away. As bad as some NFL QB's are, we could never play the position. And Kevin Kolb might be a damn good QB. U of Houston is not like your local community college.

Of course, so did Andre Ware. Or was it David Klingler? I forgot.

re: #167 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

It's a Sun Belt Conference team- that makes it worse than a community college in many people's eyes.

re: #165 Fenway_Nation

that would make the choice 'spit or swallow'

re: #170 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Of course, so did Andre Ware. Or was it David Klingler? I forgot.

Play there...It's getting late.

and with the chicago FUBS it is DON'T EVEN BOTHER

re: #171 Fenway_Nation

It's a Sun Belt Conference team- that makes it worse than a community college in many people's eyes.

Tony Romo played at Eastern Illinois. Kurt Warner played were? The Arena League.

re: #91 Old Engineer

#6 Inquisitive
Some parents don't care when their chldren come home, even when they are juveniles, but most worry about them for the rest of their lives.
My only son and his family traveled 275 miles today to be with us two days for Thanksgiving. You can safely bet my wife and I gave silent blessings when they arrived in the dark after a road trip on crowded highways.
We are 81 years old, and our son is 56. Still, we worry.
We are probably a little more wary than most, having lost 7 members of our immediate family to no-fault highway accidents in past years.
I believe the greatest sadness one can have is burying loved ones who died in needless accidents.
Pray that you need not undergo that special grief, and tomorrow give thanks for the presence on earth of your living family.
Old Engineer

Yes, this is a day to give thanks.
And I thank you for reminding of of that.

Alright, I'm outta here folks. Everyone have a safe and happy thanksgiving. Even if I disagree with you, I like the debating we do! Have a good Thanksgiving and be safe!

Later OMD, have fun today.

OT
The cable here in Kabul -yes we have it - is mostly out.
There are a few channels. Must come from the North. It appears that all the channels out of India are down.
Not a surprise.

re: #179 LindaMarie

I wonder if that is a form of censorship, or good policy. Then again, the cables may have been cut as well.

I encourage everybody to watch the film The Third Jihad. It's in the Spinoff links twice. It deserves an up ding so people will find it tomorrow morning. It's an hour and ten minutes long. From forty minutes on is the most chilling part, but all of it is worth watching.

re: #180 BlueCanuck
I think it is censorship out of India while they try to cope with this.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Good morning littleoldlady, thanks for the fruitcup. Are you going to be doing a drive by again today? ;)

re: #167 Ozark Mountain Daredevil
Well, seeing as to how I've never even played football I'll give you that. I see Gates is going to continue as Sec Def. The left is going to be pissed but piss on them, this is great news.

BlueCanuck! :-)

Waiting for the dishwasher to finish because I stupidly put something in there that I need to the next dish.

The good news is that if I keep going without stopping everything will get done today. The bad news is that if I don't get a nap I'm likely to pass out over the last batch of gravy...

/oy

Wow! Thanksgiving day fruitcup and two overnight open threads!

This is the best Thanksgiving ever!

re: #186 littleoldlady

The bad news is that if I don't get a nap I'm likely to pass out over the last batch of gravy...

Please don't drown!

Has this been posted here?

[Link: www.moonbattery.com...]

These tramps should be exiled from the country.

re: #186 littleoldlady

Don't you have designated assistants? Makes things less hectic for the cook at least. Way my mom always did it.

/You, peel and prep potatoes. You, get those dishes going. You, start stuffing prep. . . .

re: #181 HelloDare

I encourage everybody to watch the film The Third Jihad. It's in the Spinoff links twice. It deserves an up ding so people will find it tomorrow morning. It's an hour and ten minutes long. From forty minutes on is the most chilling part, but all of it is worth watching.

rather watch the last jihad!

Fenway! :-)

re: #188 Rancher

Rancher! :-) (Rancher? ) Ah, but what a way to go! ;-)

Blue,

MNTS was a big help yesterday. She did the brussels sprouts and apple sauce. talloldman is going downhill in his old age. :-(

Regardless, it's kinda hard to expect people to wake up at 1 am to continue the cooking...

/oy. oy.

I'm wondering whether Christmas is as a big a deal as Thanksgiving as far as consumption of food for Americans.

I think Thanksgiving is probably the only holiday that doesn't have an equivalent in Australia.

re: #192 littleoldlady

I guess it helps if you have a large kitchen, and a few more kids. Once asked my parents why they didn't have a dishwasher like the rest of my friends. My dad said they had three of them.

/got one when we started to move out though.

My dad said they had three of them.

Yeah, that's what my mom thought, too, but then we all got jobs at a very early age and that idea went down the tubes. ;-)

I must be the only one who doesn't really enjoy Thanksgiving foods. The turkey is always horrendous.

re: #196 TheMatrix31

I managed to convince my folks to substitute turkey for a big honkin' beef roast for a couple of years...I sold them that all of us would probably rather deal with beef leftovers for lord knows however long than turkey leftovers...

re: #194 BlueCanuck

I guess it helps if you have a large kitchen, and a few more kids. Once asked my parents why they didn't have a dishwasher like the rest of my friends. My dad said they had three of them.

/got one when we started to move out though.

heh. My aunt sent my grandmother a pic of my uncle doing the dishes with a note. "This is my dishwasher, I think you know him ('him' being my grandmother's son). My grandmother wrote back "I had that dishwasher when it was new and it wasn't worth much then."

Morning all! The Fat Beagle must know it's Thanksgiving - she got me up early for breakfast.

re: #196 TheMatrix31

Probably means you haven't had any good Thanksgiving food.

/then again sweet potato casserole with marshmallows is a bit much even for me.

re: #196 TheMatrix31

Matrix! :-)

You poor thing! ;-)

I'm not a big fan of turkey either, but my gravy is kinda spectacular (if I may be so unhumble ;-) which makes it all worthwhile.

If you weren't so far away, I'd invite you!

re: #196 TheMatrix31

I must be the only one who doesn't really enjoy Thanksgiving foods. The turkey is always horrendous.

Try ostrich! Tasty as all get-out, and LOW in cholesterol, Matrix

re: #200 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

You poor thing! ;-)

I'm not a big fan of turkey either, but my gravy is kinda spectacular (if I may be so unhumble ;-) which makes it all worthwhile.

If you weren't so far away, I'd invite you!

Sounds great! We're having a whole helluva lot of people at my Uncle's (yeah, that one...) so we're doing a 22lb turkey and a whole lamb. The lamb should be pretty damn good at least.

I'm a cornbread and mashed potato guy, though.

We'll see if my Grandma has any Armenian food surprises for me. Those always brighten the day!

re: #192 littleoldlady
Real Rancher. Rustlers on tonight but then I'm coming in too, so we'll both be here, confusing everyone. Missed another registration yesterday. I'm waiting for Charles to hit us with a stick.

re: #201 Karridine

Try ostrich! Tasty as all get-out, and LOW in cholesterol, Matrix

HEY! Our local Giant started carrying ostrich but I have no idea how to prepare it. Fill me in (S I can fill me up!)

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

OT: Has somebody been Photoshopping again? There is a picture up at [Link: edition.cnn.com...] of the Taj hotel. Flames pouring out of the building, a huge black cloud of smoke bellowing forth, debris from the flames fluttering through the air... all that while the sun is shining? Seems to me that when I saw that on the livestream of Foxnews last night it was pitch dark. WTF? Picture: AFP/Getty images

re: #202 TheMatrix31
I haven't had much lamb since we sold the ranch. Where you live?

re: #140 Rancher

I thought the "huge youth turnout" turned out to be hype.

Very true. Young people failed to turn out in any greater numbers than usual, ...and they didn't all go for Obama, either.

Dishwasher's done. Now I can make the sweet (weet) potatoes (with walnuts, Blue! Feh on the marshmallows.)

Have a great Thanksgiving, ALL!™ :-)

Beagles RULE!

Uno, the Beagle who won Best in Show at Westminster, will be on the Snoopy float in today's Macy's Parade (adorable pics at link).

If winning — and winning big — conditions a dog to assume that all applause is for him, Uno has that reflex. Hours after fetching the first toss by Fredbird, the Cardinals’ mascot, he was dozing in a luxury box, his muzzle on Frei’s right thigh. But when he heard the standing ovation for the Cardinals when they loaded the bases, he leaped to his feet, fully alert.

“He thinks the applause is for him,”

re: #207 Kenneth
Thought so. CNN started the myth right after the election and now it will live forever.

If you want a good turkey, get a "free range" bird. They have more flavour & are less dry. Free range can be tougher, but as you roast a turkey for several hours, that shouldn't be an issue anyway.

re: #208 littleoldlady

Bye littleoldlady. May see you tomorrow morning, turkey hangover permitting.

/for you that is.
//then again, I think I may do my bacon wrapped turkey breast tomorrow.

re: #211 Kenneth

Last time I walked out with a free range turkey I got arrested.

re: #210 Rancher

The Obama campaign started the myth long before the election. In pre-election polls young people said they were supporting Obama. It just never panned out as a major factor on election day, as young liberals & lefties prefer to party, or watch So You Think You Can Dance, rather than go out and do their civic duty. In contrast, young conservatives do vote.

re: #213 Rancher

Hah! I buy mine from Mennonites. Comes with it's own little buggie & bonnet!

re: #206 Rancher

I haven't had much lamb since we sold the ranch. Where you live?

We live in LA. The way it's going to be done is not my favorite preparation of lamb. They're going to prepare it "Armenian-style". I don't exactly know what it entails, but the last time I had a whole lamb was New Years Eve a couple years ago, and it's definitely not as good as a restaurant-style or cooked with spices/gorgonzola/etc lamb.

We've done quail before too, which was real good, but too bony and not enough meat.

I'll have to take that ostrich suggestion into consideration! Maybe I'll bring it up tomorrow at the dinner table when we find out inevitably, that turkey is horrible yet again.

re: #216 TheMatrix31

You'll

bring it up

at the dinner table

? I hope not.

Rancher,

Here's a chart of the voting demographics. Youth went for Obama 66% to 32%. Which is a pretty good margin. However, turnout was still small for that segment, so it didn't make as much of a factor.

re: #217 Smilla

You'll

? I hope not.

Don't worry, everyone knows my anti-turkey biases :)

CITIGROUP COLLAPSES - BANKING SHUTDOWN POSSIBLE
By Dr. Martin Weiss
25 November 2008

...What Is a Banking Meltdown and Why Is it Possible?

On October 11, 2008, a single statement hit the international wire services that provides more specific clues:

“Intensifying solvency concerns about a number of the largest U.S.-based and European financial institutions have pushed the global financial system to the brink of systemic meltdown.”

This statement was not the random rant of a gloom-and-doomer on the fringe of society. Nor was it excerpted from a twentieth century history book about the Great Depression. It was the serious, objective assessment announced at a Washington, D.C. press conference by the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

The unmistakable implication: So many of the world’s largest banks were so close to bankruptcy, the entire banking system was vulnerable to a massive collapse. The primary underlying cause: Derivatives.

The Mafia knows all about systemic meltdowns of gambling networks. In the numbers racket, for example, players place their bets through a bookie, who, in turn is part of an intricate network of bookies. Most of the time, the system works. But if just one big player fails to pay bookie A, that bookie might be forced to renege on bookie B, who, in turn stiffs bookie C, causing a chain reaction of payment failures.

The bookies go bankrupt. The losers lose. And even the winners get nothing. Worst of all, players counting on winnings from one side of their bets to cover losses in offsetting bets are also wiped out. The whole network crumbles — a systemic meltdown.

To avert this kind of a disaster, the Mafia henchmen know exactly what they have to do, and they do it swiftly: If a gambler fails to pay once, he could find himself with broken bones in a dark alley; twice, and he could wind up in cement boots at the bottom of the East River.

Unlike the Mafia, established stock and commodity exchanges, like the NYSE and the Chicago Board of Trade, are entirely legal. But like the Mafia, they understand these dangers and have strict enforcement procedures to prevent them. When you want to purchase 100 shares of Microsoft, for example, you never buy directly from the seller. You must always go through a brokerage firm, which, in turn is a member in good standing of the exchange. The brokerage firm must keep close tabs on all its customers, and the exchange keeps close track of all its member firms. If you can’t come up with the money to pay for your shares, the broker is required to promptly liquidate your securities, literally kicking you out of the game. And if the brokerage firm as a whole runs into financial trouble, it meets a similar fate with the exchange. Very, very swiftly!

Here’s the key: For the most part, the global derivatives market has no brokerage, no exchange, and no equivalent enforcement mechanism. In fact, among the $181.2 trillion in derivative bets held by U.S. banks at mid-year 2008, only $8.2 trillion, or 4.5%, was regulated by an exchange. The balance — $173.9 trillion, or 95.5% — was bets placed directly between buyer and seller (called “over the counter”). And among the $596 trillion in global derivatives tracked by the BIS at year-end 2007, 100% were over the counter. No exchanges. No overarching enforcement mechanism.

This is not just a matter of weak or non-existent regulation. It’s far worse. It’s the equivalent of an undisciplined conglomeration of players gambling on the streets without even a casino to maintain order. Moreover, the data compiled by the OCC and BIS showed that the bets were so large and the gambling so far beyond the reach of regulators, all it would take was the bankruptcy of one of the lesser derivatives players — such as Lehman Brothers — to throw the world’s credit markets into paralysis..."

A good read!
.

Died off here pretty quick. Every buddy getting turkey ready or something?

re: #221 BlueCanuck

Hey, I'm here. I never sleep in much anyway. I'm watching Indian tv news stream ... 100 to 150 people hare still inside, some are hostages but not all of them, the security forces are still sneaking people out of the hotels, a few special forces have entered the buildings for recon, but they are still holding off a full assault. This is the best strategy, as the terrorists will run out of sleep, food & ammo long before the Indian police will.

re: #221 BlueCanuck

I've been glued to the computer and radio tonight, trying to get info on what's happening in India.

Please spare a prayer for all the hostages, the injured, and those that have lost their lives. Pray for those brave men and women that have fought and continue to fight for our freedom from the beasts who so calmly perpetrate such atrocities.

I pray for more reasons to offer Thanksgiving.

re: #222 Kenneth

But what will stop them from killing the hostages before then?

I'm going to try and get some sleep.

Take care of yourselves and your loved ones.

Happy Thanksgiving!

re: #224 little blessing

good question... the risk is if you rush them, the hostages will be killed in the crossfire, or the terrorists will detonate bombs to kill them. Historically, the longer it goes on, the fewer hostages will be killed. Cold-blooded executions are more likely in the first heated moments. The longer the terrorists have to hold the hostages, the less likely they are to kill them. The best strategy is to put pressure on the terrorists, kill the ones they can, rescue the hostages you can, bargain for food & water & wait them out. Big assaults usually end in dissaster, ie. Beslan.

re: #225 little blessing

Hi and bye little blessing, sleep well. Hopefully that mess will be mostly cleared up soon.

I just heard, the troops at the Taj hotel are going from room to room, checking for terrorists, booby traps or civilians. About half the hotel has been cleared. Terrorists are still barricaded in some part of the hotel.

re: #218 Kenneth
Jews, 78% Obama. Again, American Jews don't give a damn about Israel.

Fox News website says explosions heard during rescue ops...

re: #228 Kenneth

Are there any obscure secret underground entrances or exits to the hotels?

GM stock now worth $1.50 more per share than I paid ten days ago.

Bwaaahahahaha!

re: #220 TamronBut Citigroup hasn't collapsed far as I know. The stock price tanked but they are one of the more solvent banks. Also the Mark to Market rules still seem to be in effect although I thought they had rewritten them. These banks have assets but are required to list them as worthless. I think were out of the woods but some control definitely has to be brought to the derivatives market.

Good morning and happy Thanksgiving to all fellow Lizards.

Raining in Las Cruces this morning, and I'm up way too early with a stuffed head rather than a stuffed turkey. Thank God my mom is wrestling the bird this morning.

From one American who counts his blessings, HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

My twin daughters are coming over to cook for me.

The road of parenthood never ceases to amaze and please.

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

Access tunnels maybe for electric lines, ventilation ducts etc.

Not much time to talk. Shhh. I have the Tofurkey in my sights. He is a beautiful gelatinous globular mass. GOT IT!

Gonna be good.

re: #237 fat bastard vegetarian

gelatinous globular mass

You just bagged Rosie O'Donnel.

In most hostage situations time is on your side and an assault is a last resort, to be used only when they start killing hostages. In the case of jihadists though the rules are not so clear. There are no grievances that can be addressed, no ransom demanded, only death to all. In such cases an early assault may be the best way to obtain the least casualties.

re: #205 infidel4ever

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

OT: Has somebody been Photoshopping again? There is a picture up at [Link: edition.cnn.com...] of the Taj hotel. Flames pouring out of the building, a huge black cloud of smoke bellowing forth, debris from the flames fluttering through the air... all that while the sun is shining? Seems to me that when I saw that on the livestream of Foxnews last night it was pitch dark. WTF? Picture: AFP/Getty images

Ah, but what time is it in Mumbai right now? 5:42 PM?

This has already been going on another day.

Also, there was some suggestion that the local networks were instructed not to show live views of the building exteriors so as not to serve as recon for the terrorists...

The photo looks a little weird, but I can see the shadow of the smoke on the building, at least below the dome. The tricky bit is that the shadow misses the dome from that angle.

re: #237 fat bastard vegetarian

Vegetarian: indian word for bad hunter. ;)

re: #204 wahabicorridor

Hey, Wahabi, I just taught the ostrich-ranch owner in an MBA program here... I could do no better than to suggest Googling "Ostrich Recipes", and start there, m'kay? :D

re: #237 fat bastard vegetarian

I have the Tofurkey in my sights.

Tofurkey? Eeeuuw! :D

Sons clamor at my elbows, seeking CPU access... BBIAW, 'zards...

re: #243 boogberg

Booger? It's actually better than it sounds.

Won't be able to make it home for Thanksgiving, but at least I can spend it with my girlfriend in a hotel off the ship.

My birthday lands on Thanksgiving this year...uh today.

I'm now 27 years old.

Happy Birthday/Thanksgiving, Hengineer!

re: #246 Hengineer

Happy birthday. Thank you for service. And... enjoy your youth!

Thanks Fenway and fbv, Happy Thanksgiving to you folks as well!

re: #245 fat bastard vegetarian

Lol!

I'm sure it is. I was just kidding.

re: #240 Dar ul Harb

Also, what looked like debris appears to be birds enjoying the free ride on the thermals rising from the burning hotel (or else trying to stay close to their nests in the eaves of the building)...

re: #246 Hengineer

Happy birthday. At least you have some one to spend the day with. Makes a heap of a difference.

re: #252 BlueCanuck

Happy birthday. At least you have some one to spend the day with. Makes a heap of a difference.

Don't I know it, I'm used to spending it alone adrift at sea or at the best in a foreign port.

This year though, its a bit better than that, she says she has a surprised planned for me.

re: #253 Hengineer

I'm going to live vicariously through you today.

re: #254 fat bastard vegetarian

Is it because of the Tofurkey?

re: #246 Hengineer

Happy Birthday Hengineer!
Happy Thanksgiving Lizards!

re: #254 fat bastard vegetarian

I'm going to live vicariously through you today.

I'll try my best ;)

re: #255 Fenway_Nation

The girlfriend with the "surprise". Wink Wink, nudge nudge, say no more say no more...

re: #256 Rancher

Thanks Rancher, Happy Thanksgiving!