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Boston.com has a collection of high resolution wire service images from Mumbai: Mumbai under attack - The Big Picture. Some of the pictures are graphic, but you have to click to view them.

Late Wednesday night, Mumbai, India found itself the target of a ferocious terrorist attack, and the situation remains unresolved even now, three days later. According to reports, upwards of 60 young men entered Mumbai in small inflatable boats on Wednesday night, carrying bags filled with weapons and ammunition, and spread out to nine locations to begin their attacks. Lobbing grenades and firing their weapons, they entered hotels, a railway station and several other buildings, killing scores and wounding even more. As of this moment, the identity of the attackers has yet to be definitively determined, though there are reports indicating some of the gunmen were Pakistani - at least nine of them have been killed, nine more arrested. As of this writing, there were a reported 151 people killed from 11 different countries - though nearly 100 were Indian. More than 300 injuries have also been reported - those numbers may yet rise as several hostage situations still exist in the city.

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1 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:03:37pm

He looks like a Brit to me!

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:04:59pm

Stunning images.

3 Lynn B.  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:05:22pm

Tomorrow is little Moshe Holtzberg's second birthday.

4 vapig  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:05:58pm

Brits were whining about how tragically young these terrorists were.

*spit*

5 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:06:20pm

This is well-coordinated and financed military action, not just some lone jihadi looking to go to paradise.

6 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:08:04pm

All the more reason to keep our second amendment intact. Go Fuck yourself Barack.

7 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:08:49pm

Heart wrenching. I am at a loss.

8 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:08:54pm

Yea just posted this link in the previous thread.
Horrifying images. Shows us how idiocy is ruling half of the world.

9 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:11:20pm

I hate terrorists. I get so angry when I see these things. People here that are blind to the threat drive me to distraction.

10 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:12:35pm

This is interesting. I am not done reading the whole thing however. Seems legit.

Gun ownership in India

11 coquimbojoe  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:14:07pm

re: #8 Forever

Yea just posted this link in the previous thread.
Horrifying images. Shows us how idiocy is ruling half of the world.

Are we in that half now? I fear so.

12 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:14:35pm

re: #4 vapig

It is tragic. Tragic that young men are so indoctrinated and trained to hate people so much to do this. Probably not what they meant, but I will take my meaning only.

13 tripletdad  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:17:03pm

This incident shows why intelligence gathering and monitoring the bad guys is so important. They count on the rest of us being unprepared for their next atrocity.

14 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:17:35pm

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..." -- Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War in 1775

15 eclectic infidel  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:19:10pm

re: #5 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is well-coordinated and financed military action, not just some lone jihadi looking to go to paradise.

Yes. I can only hope that at the Federal level, there is a heightened awareness in effect. What happened in India can happen in the U.S., especially when the cells we hear so much about decide to awake from their slumber and wreak hell on this nation. I don't want that to ever happen, but after seeing and reading about this latest terror attack, it's glaringly obvious that anything is now possible. Sept 11 wasn't that long ago. I really want this to serve as a wake-up call, but I'm cynical too...and very concerned.

16 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:19:13pm

re: #12 BlueCanuck

It is tragic. Tragic that young men are so indoctrinated and trained to hate people so much to do this. Probably not what they meant, but I will take my meaning only.

Thank you - I'll take your meaning as well.

17 NYCHardhat[deleted]  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:19:50pm
18 eclectic infidel[deleted]  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:20:59pm
19 Alaska Kim[deleted]  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:21:24pm
20 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:22:08pm

Buzzed up!

21 notutopia  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:23:29pm

The power of an ideology of hatred.
My heart aches for the lives of the innocents that were robbed of their lives.
An eye for an eye...will not relieve them of their losses.
Will the world please wake up to face this Islamic madness and end it's tyranny of terror!

22 Naso Tang  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:26:03pm

I notice that the MSM is still having trouble recognizing a difference between "militant" and "terrorist".

23 Shug  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:26:05pm

Old enough to do the crime, old enough to do the time

24 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:26:43pm

Evil.

25 notutopia  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:27:27pm

re: #22 Naso Tang

That's because they don't know the difference between a blackpowder muzzle loader and a MP 6.

26 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:27:59pm

I pray that the Indian Government is fierce in it's resolve, that they seek justice for the victims and send a clear message that India stands up for democracy.

27 96RoadKing  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:28:15pm

All I can say is let's take the gloves off and go after these wolves in their dens. Show them the same amount of mercy they show their victims.

And bring back waterboarding!

28 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:28:22pm

re: #22 Naso Tang

I notice that the MSM is still having trouble recognizing a difference between "militant" and "terrorist".

They're not having trouble - its intentional: these are militants who unfortunately commit terrorist acts ...
The MSM have been using this newspeak for a few years now.

29 snowcrash  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:28:37pm

Wow. Very powerful images.

30 notutopia  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:29:19pm

re: #18 eclectic infidel

The UN cease funding on our behalf? Not with Obama in office.

31 Shug  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:29:20pm

look at what this POS wrote in the comments section

7.This is nothing camparing to what's happening in Palestine and kachmir. So don't talk too much.


Posted by Al'Hazrad Malek Al'Nar November 28, 08 12:14 PM

32 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:29:46pm

re: #27 96RoadKing

All I can say is let's take the gloves off and go after these wolves in their dens. Show them the same amount of mercy they show their victims.

And bring back waterboarding!

Gitmo will be staying open....Just a hunch.

33 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:30:56pm

[self-deleted]

34 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:32:34pm

re: #25 notutopia

What's an MP 6? I think you meant MP 5. I once saw a news segment where they were displaying a bunch of weapons confiscated from people in one of the big housing projects. The "journalist" asked the cop to identify the most dangerous weapon in the lot, and she was visibly dissappointed when the cop picked a scoped, bolt-action .30-06.

She was trying to push him towards the "scary" looking Mauser broomhandle. Which was, of course, an antique.

35 tazzerman  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:34:48pm

I am virtually speechless. Words completely fail me. There is a monster running loose on this planet and the vast majority of people would rather stick their collective heads in the sand then realize that they/we are nothing but fresh meat for these beasts. Waiting for ANY govt to act is shear madness in the face of these barbaric killers. It WILL take the majority of the population of this planet to stand up and confront these animals every time they make themselves known. Just think what would have happened in this instance, if the entire city of Mumbai rose up against these barbarians and stormed the hotels, the Chabad center, the train station en mass, even with just rocks, sticks, bats, bottles and stones, the face of literally hundreds of thousands of people all hell bent on putting a stop to this madness would be more than enough.

I salute the Indian security forces and commandos but they are just so few.

My heart goes out to all those who have been injured and killed and to their families, friends and loved ones.

This madness MUST stop!

36 Muadib  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:35:45pm

re: #34 Iron Fist

Smart cop.

37 Last Mohican  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:36:00pm

re: #31 Shug

look at what this POS wrote in the comments section

You know, the problem is not just that garbage like " Al'Hazrad Malek Al'Nar" have some misguided delusion that horrible oppression is happening in Palestine and Kashmir. The problem is that they think that anything that has ever happened or could ever happen in human history would justify the deliberate massacre of hundreds of innocent civilians.

Human civilization just has to find a way to rid itself of that kind of thinking. Unfortunately, we are going in the wrong direction.

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:36:06pm

What next?

39 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:04pm

Just now I heard Becky Anderson on CNN London:

"To be able to continue live broadcasts from India our license has to be renewed. Sadly, India has decided not to renew our live broadcasting license."

What is that all about? India not happy with CNN?

Our reporters will phone in their reports or something like that... Yeah, that is going to work.

40 rawmuse  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:09pm

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What next?

I'd say the ball is in India's court. And possibly Britain's.

41 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:17pm

re: #37 Last Mohican

You know, the problem is not just that garbage like " Al'Hazrad Malek Al'Nar" have some misguided delusion that horrible oppression is happening in Palestine and Kashmir. The problem is that they think that anything that has ever happened or could ever happen in human history would justify the deliberate massacre of hundreds of innocent civilians.

Human civilization just has to find a way to rid itself of that kind of thinking. Unfortunately, we are going in the wrong direction.

It starts by teaching our young ones to love their country, constitution, and liberties that were provided by the blood of countless brave souls.

42 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:31pm

re: #36 Muadib

Yeah, I was impressed. I've actually found that the average street cop is against gun control. It's just that there is a lot of political pressure to imply that cops back it.

43 FQ Kafir  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:31pm

Truly gut-wrenching.

44 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:35pm

I can't find anything concise and acceptable to say, it is what it is. Certainly the Indian considerations for what response to make, are different than ours would be. Frankly, I expect very little from them, they are doing now what they can do, without horrendous escalation, which would include an internal civil war. Interesting that this comes just after the Indian military was the one in the lead against the Somali pirates.

I will say this - I believe Islam is in some kind of process of discrediting itself in an historic way, among those who are capable of contributing positively to this world.

45 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:38:52pm

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What next?

You know what? I'm not sure I even want to know the answer to that question.

46 itellu3times  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:39:39pm

Do I want to see this in hi-res?

I'd rather make it all go away in hi-res.

47 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:39:43pm

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What next?

Redo of our election?

48 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:41:09pm

Thanks Charles, these images were graphic but drive home the sheer inhumanity of our opponents. The images of the dead civilians in the train station and hospital should be front page items and uncensored.
/Of course it's America's fault that this happened mates! Like who else could of caused this? Radical murderous fanatical Islamists? No fracken' chance!

49 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:44:22pm

re: #41 NYCHardhat

It starts by teaching our young ones to love their country, constitution, and liberties that were provided by the blood of countless brave souls.

And that the past is the past: they need not apologize for injustices that are not their fault; they must merely strive to see justice done for all.

50 k80nc  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:45:01pm

I guess the news channels are waiting for the prime time slots to show the massive, world wide demonstrations and vigils held by average Muslims to protest this violence that was committed in the name of their religion. Maybe the 11 o'clock news. But that will happen, right?


/

51 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:45:28pm

Tragic. I pray for Mumbai, the victims and their families.
OT
KCAL 9 in Los Angeles just reported that two people are dead following a shooting in a "Toys R Us" in Palm Desert. No updated link yet.

52 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:45:55pm

re: #47 NYCHardhat

I am afraid that it is too late for that. We're stuck (some might say cursed) with Obama for the next four years. For the next two he'll have a friendly Congress as well. Anybody that isn't troubled by that hasn't been paying attention for the last seven+ years.

53 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:46:03pm

LOL. Huffingtonpost removed a comment of me. Just because I said that the only ones to blame are the bigots committing the crimes and that India should react with strong power and expel each single Islamist.

54 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:46:40pm

re: #41 NYCHardhat

It starts by teaching our young ones to love their country, constitution, and liberties that were provided by the blood of countless brave souls.

Well,, Thank God Barack has William Ayres's advice on grade school curriculum, because I'm SURE Good Ole Bill believes just that !

//

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:46:54pm

[self-deleted]

56 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:47:37pm

re: #53 Forever

LOL. Huffingtonpost removed a comment of me. Just because I said that the only ones to blame are the bigots committing the crimes and that India should react with strong power and expel each single Islamist.

You got removed for that? What the hell is wrong with those people?

57 tazzerman  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:48:19pm

I'm sitting here wondering what other 'surprises' await us as we head into the holiday season? What other attrocities are already in the works for other innocents going about their normal, every day lives?

I find it hard to believe that this is/was a one off event. I fear that London, NY or other major cities are already in the cross hairs.

I've never been an 'alarmist' but right now, I have a VERY uneasy feeling.

58 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:48:20pm

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

[self-deleted]

Haar! I've wanted to that a few times myself, mate!

59 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:48:23pm

re: #56 bellamags

You got removed for that? What the hell is wrong with those people?

I hope that question was rhetorical!

60 Muadib  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:48:35pm

re: #42 Iron Fist

My cop and fed friends are pro gun. An armed citizenry is the best defense against the kind of evil happening in India right now. Any politician that is for gun control looks at us as expendable.

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:48:57pm

60 terrorists. That's a pretty impressive operation.

62 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:48:57pm

Another comment I posted at Boston.com, similar to k80nc's post here.

Re: Those who say Islam has nothing to do with it blablabla.

For once, stand up and say I am a fellow Muslim and CONDEMN these atrocities and I demand that these medieval bigots who committed these crimes will get jailed or hung.

I know it is hard for you to say it like this, but I AM SURE, many Westerners would start looking different at Muslims individually when hearing/seeing such a strong response. However, this never happens.

63 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:49:26pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

I hope that question was rhetorical!

forgot the sarc thingy -

64 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:50:44pm

re: #14 bellamags

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..." -- Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War in 1775

We hear the bleating of the liberal goats: "Don't hurt us because we promise not to hurt you." Terrorists smile.

65 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:51:02pm

re: #18 eclectic infidel

And our govt needs to cease the funding of certain mideast nations, even if the aid is "humanitarian" in nature.

I guess my 17 was too harsh?

66 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:51:03pm

re: #56 bellamags

You got removed for that? What the hell is wrong with those people?

Afternoon Bella, all you have to do is present an opposing view mate!

67 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:51:41pm

Who should have known that this was being planned? Who dropped the ball? Where do intelligence services need to be strengthened?

68 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:51:47pm

re: #56 bellamags

I have never experienced a site before that uses censorship so quickly as our friends at Huffpo. I guess if you are not commenting that Bush, the Jews, the Right, the Christians or anyone else but Muslims are the cause for these atrocities, your post will either not be published or get removed after a few seconds.

69 jorline  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:51:53pm

What's the deal...I haven't seen a press conference from Obama over the past two days...maybe he's in OSM, "Oh Shit Mode".

70 notutopia  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:51:58pm

re: #34 Iron Fist

Please take a look at picture 5 above. The weapon is blurred I believe intentionally. Your expert opinion from what is visible please.

71 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:52:42pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

Who should have known that this was being planned? Who dropped the ball? Where do intelligence services need to be strengthened?

Ours or India's?

72 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:52:47pm

re: #66 LoFlyer

Afternoon Bella, all you have to do is present an opposing view mate!

I guess. Lame -------- . So afraid of opposition because they might will be proved wrong.

73 The Shadow Do  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:52:53pm

Even the word terrorist, though rarely used by the media, has lost its sting. I, and I don't think I am alone, am not terrorized. I am pissed off. Nothing will change until the rest of the civilized world gets pissed off too.

74 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:53:28pm

re: #70 notutopia

Looks like an AK-47 to me.

75 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:53:34pm

re: #63 bellamags

forgot the sarc thingy -

I know ,, just stirrin' the pot!

76 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:54:04pm

re: #71 LoFlyer

Ours or India's?

Both. Whatever is needed.

77 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:54:32pm

re: #72 bellamags

I guess. Lame -------- . So afraid of opposition because they might will be proved wrong.

"What, me worry about logic?" - Alfred E Huffington....

78 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:55:04pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

Unfortunately the problem is with Pakistan. These guys almost certainly planned, organized and trained in Pakistan. There's not much the rest of the world can do about it for now.

79 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:55:17pm

re: #75 sattv4u2

I know ,, just stirrin' the pot!

I still haven't forgotten your Grace comment. ; )

80 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:55:21pm

re: #69 jorline

What's the deal...I haven't seen a press conference from Obama over the past two days...maybe he's in OSM, "Oh Shit Mode".

he has to wait to see which way the political wind is blowing before he and his 300 foreign policy 'experts' can formulate a teleprompter response!

81 FightingBack  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:55:23pm

This was a massive, well coordinated attack involving many perpetrators.
And no one ratted them out before hand? No monitored chat? No intelligence suspicions?

82 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:56:41pm

re: #70 notutopia

No that's a high speed motion shot with a simple camera. If you look at the hands and lower for arms they are also a bit blurry. But that weapon is definitely the terrorist weapon of choice, the AK-47.

83 jorline  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:56:55pm
Two people were killed inside a Toys R Us in Palm Desert, Calif. around noon Friday, authorities said.

Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said Palm Desert police got a call saying shots had been fired inside the store.

One juvenile is in custody, according to unconfirmed reports.

The store is on lockdown, and KTTV in Los Angeles is reporting a 6-year-old girl was one of the victims.

Witnesses are calling the incident a murder-suicide.

84 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:57:21pm

re: #79 bellamags

I still haven't forgotten your Grace comment. ; )

"grace" comment!?!? (it's tough getting old !)

85 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:57:35pm

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. While many here in the States are focusing on shopping for the holidays, the situation in Mumbai is far from over, and the fallout from the attacks is barely yet to register. We still are coming to grips with the fact that more than 150 people were murdered by these bastards, and the death toll is likely to rise further. Terrorists remain holed up inside the Taj hotel, and one thing I hope that India does immediately is upgrade and update its training of the specialized anti-terror and special weapons and tactics units, as well as improve training for all police, who appear to have not done nearly as well as one could hope for.

We still don't know who was behind the attacks, but it's likely global in scope as British nationals appear to have been involved; there's a Pakistan connection, and major terror groups are likely involved including LeT or HuIJ, to say nothing of al Qaeda.

86 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:58:02pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

"grace" comment!?!? (it's tough getting old !)

yeah. you asked me if she was available by the hour (for massage)

87 jorline  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:58:04pm

re: #80 sattv4u2

he has to wait to see which way the political wind is blowing before he and his 300 foreign policy 'experts' can formulate a teleprompter response!

Makes sense...lol

88 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:58:55pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately the problem is with Pakistan. These guys almost certainly planned, organized and trained in Pakistan. There's not much the rest of the world can do about it for now.

Does Barack Hussein "Invade Pakistan" Obama know something he's not sharing?

89 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:59:22pm

re: #86 bellamags

yeah. you asked me if she was available by the hour (for massage)

oh ,,, hehehehheh (blush)


Well ?!?!?!?!?!?!? LOL

90 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 12:59:51pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. While many here in the States are focusing on shopping for the holidays, the situation in Mumbai is far from over, and the fallout from the attacks is barely yet to register. We still are coming to grips with the fact that more than 150 people were murdered by these bastards, and the death toll is likely to rise further. Terrorists remain holed up inside the Taj hotel, and one thing I hope that India does immediately is upgrade and update its training of the specialized anti-terror and special weapons and tactics units, as well as improve training for all police, who appear to have not done nearly as well as one could hope for.

We still don't know who was behind the attacks, but it's likely global in scope as British nationals appear to have been involved; there's a Pakistan connection, and major terror groups are likely involved including LeT or HuIJ, to say nothing of al Qaeda.

Check out the last few paragraphs here: India mishandled hostage situation. It appears that Israel and India have been planning on sending an Israeli team over to help them train.

91 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:01:11pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. While many here in the States are focusing on shopping for the holidays, the situation in Mumbai is far from over, and the fallout from the attacks is barely yet to register. We still are coming to grips with the fact that more than 150 people were murdered by these bastards, and the death toll is likely to rise further. Terrorists remain holed up inside the Taj hotel, and one thing I hope that India does immediately is upgrade and update its training of the specialized anti-terror and special weapons and tactics units, as well as improve training for all police, who appear to have not done nearly as well as one could hope for.

We still don't know who was behind the attacks, but it's likely global in scope as British nationals appear to have been involved; there's a Pakistan connection, and major terror groups are likely involved including LeT or HuIJ, to say nothing of al Qaeda.

Should we assume, because of the continued globalization of everything, that these different terrorists groups will morph into a "global terrorist organization"? I mean their goals are essentially the same, if they unite they would be stronger.

92 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:01:39pm

re: #89 sattv4u2

oh ,,, hehehehheh (blush)


Well ?!?!?!?!?!?!? LOL

heh.

93 Bubbaman[deleted]  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:01:47pm
94 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

Both. Whatever is needed.

Here is a link to a Strategy page on what the US is doing with the Pakistani intelligence. We aren't saying a whole lot about what is going on, but we are beating these guys. This latest attack in Bombay has been a propaganda disaster for radical Islam. Highly recommend Strategy Page for daily reading. Yaar!

95 Alaska Kim  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:02:55pm

re: #65 NYCHardhat

I guess my 17 was too harsh?


I was #17. Got deleted. Sorry, Charles.

96 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:03:01pm

re: #70 notutopia

I don't know that I'd consider myself an expert. I am passingly familiar with small arms :-)

I think it is an AK-47/AK-74 with an underfolding stock. I don't think it's a krinkov (the barrel looks too long), there is brown where the fore end should be on an AK variant, and no brown where the stock would be. It would show up clearly against the dude's black shirt if it had one.

An AK is a good guess simply because there are so damned many of them in that part of the world. I think that the blurring is deliberate, but again I'm no expert on photography. The main thing that I see to make me guess that is the fact that his left hand isn't blurred. I'd think that it would be if he was moving the rifle fast enough to blur it out that way.

97 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:03:06pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Does Barack Hussein "Invade Pakistan" Obama know something he's not sharing?

Yeah, there are terrorists there. Just like there are terrorists in _______.

a. USA
b. Great Britain
c. Iran
d. France
e. All of the above

98 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:03:36pm

re: #94 LoFlyer

Thanks, mate.

99 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:03:40pm

re: #85 lawhawk

British nationals of Pakistani origins, please - this is not a niggle but unfortunately its neccessary. Its those second-generation Pakistani Brots who have fallen prey to unscupulous Imams and try their best to become jihadis.
Oh - and as yet there is no evidence that such British jihadis actually were involved.

100 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:03:51pm

re: #95 Alaska Kim

No you were 19. I was 17.

101 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:04:38pm

re: #91 bellamags

The terrorists have already been global in scope - see al Qaeda for that.

It just raises questions over which terror group was responsible. Al Qaeda has a global reach, but if it's HuIJ or LeT, it raises questions about their capabilities going forward. Those groups were seen as more localized to South Asia.

Dealing with these different groups requires the same basic tactics - you need to sap them of their financials to limit their movements and operations - take out the moneymen - then go after their middle level and upper level leadership, and you have to be determined to see it through to completion.

102 Alaska Kim  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:05:07pm

re: #100 NYCHardhat

No you were 19. I was 17.

I stand corrected.

103 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:06:03pm

re: #100 NYCHardhat

No you were 19. I was 17.

You better wait till you're 18 to make it legal!

104 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:06:04pm

re: #99 yma o hyd

You're right to be specific on that point, but as per the article:

British-born Pakistanis were among the Mumbai terrorists, Indian government sources claimed today, as the death toll rose to at least 155.

As many as seven of the terrorists may have British connections and some could be from Leeds and Bradford where London's July 7 bombers lived, one source said.

Two Britons were among eight gunmen being held, according to Mumbai's chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh. At least nine others are reportedly dead.

The eight arrested were captured by commandos after they stormed two hotels and a Jewish centre to free hostages today. Despite the Indian authorities' assurances that the situation was under control, the siege continued at the Taj Mahal hotel and explosions could still be heard in central Mumbai.

105 Alaska Kim  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:06:41pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

You better wait till you're 18 to make it legal!

heh.

106 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:06:55pm

re: #101 lawhawk
Of course when we do get a way to track their finances the NY Slimes splashes it all over page 1.

107 Muadib  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:06:58pm

re: #70 notutopia

Please take a look at picture 5 above. The weapon is blurred I believe intentionally. Your expert opinion from what is visible please.

AK-47 with folding stock.

108 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:07:03pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

You better wait till you're 18 to make it legal!

I couldn't wait.

109 LEGION  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:07:50pm

re: #97 NYCHardhat

I say F. as in F B. Hussien O.

110 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:07:58pm

re: #91 bellamags

Should we assume, because of the continued globalization of everything, that these different terrorists groups will morph into a "global terrorist organization"? I mean their goals are essentially the same, if they unite they would be stronger.

The Internet makes global communication and organization of kindred spirits easy, just as LGF has bound us all. It is easy to see how this could happen, with good security and money available. Now that Al Quaada has abandoned Iraq I would expect to see similar massacres world-wide.
/How to influence enemies and make friends! (UN approved!)

111 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:08:12pm

The more I look at this images and read the news stories, the more I feel like they attacked not only Mumbai and India, but the West as well. You can just feel the hatred of these idiots towards us, through every image and news piece on these atrocities. And these "martyrs" will have inspired many idiotic youngsters to follow their example. And the West stands on the sideline and waits until it gets slapped again.

112 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:08:19pm

I'm sorry, I don't mean to push. But what part of my comment was inappropriate. Read it on #18

113 Daisy  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:08:35pm

The little guy in khakis (the photo above) appears to have a red thread around his wrist - confusing in that usually Hindus/Buddhists wear that sort of religious artifact. Not aware of it being a Muslim thing.

Any thoughts/ideas?

114 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:08:35pm

re: #96 Iron Fist

If you look at the whole picture you can see the foreground and background are a little fuzzy. The person taking the picture was rushed and didn't hold the camera still enough to take a proper picture. I am also willing to bet that it was taken with a camera phone as well. I would have to take a look at the picture info first though.

/be right back.

115 jorline  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:08:46pm

I haven't been there in a while, but I thought I would look and see what the Hufftards are yapping about lately and saw this.

GetSome See Profile I'm a Fan of GetSome I'm a fan of this user permalink

I was so fortunate to not be born in a meager adobe house with no electricity and no running water, which I for many years took for granted.

Right or wrong, whether I agree or not . . . these people are fighting as they can for basic things like the right to live and be treated with dignity while vile corporations and individuals take steal and abuse in order to, well, get RICHER!.

And anyone of you who is so ignorant to not realize the complacency of our government in creating and perpetrating this . . .. well you are sadly ignorant.

We need to have compassion not only for those attacked . . . but also for the attackers and what pushed them to such a point that this was their means to push back.

Yes, evil exists . . . one person can be evil. Two people can be evil. But a group of people acting like this is motivated not by evil but by survival . . . and mostly by survival of their children!

We are all humans, we all deserve the same right to live in peace, but when we step on a people's necks, they have the right to fight back! You would!

This is a perfect example of the thought process that is being ushered into our country.

Checklist
guns...check ammo...check

116 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:01pm

re: #109 LEGION

Forgot that one.

117 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:03pm

re: #112 NYCHardhat

I'm sorry, I don't mean to push. But what part of my comment was inappropriate. Read it on #18

Don't advocate the murder of others.

118 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:09pm

re: #110 LoFlyer
Tsun Tzu....Kill one, frighten 1000.

119 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:15pm

re: #94 LoFlyer

It is a propaganda disaster for the Jihadis if the West will step up and make it a disaster for them. If there were really 60 jihadis and they only managed to kill 150-200 people (was 160, the last time I recall seeing it), well, that's pretty piss-poor for people armed with machineguns against unarmed victims.

OTOH, that seems to be par for the course with jihadis. They aren't very bright, for the most part, nor are they particularly skilled. Kranking off a few rounds in a valley somewhere in Waziristan isn't exactly going to turn out Navy SEALs.

120 Alaska Kim  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:52pm

re: #112 NYCHardhat

I'm sorry, I don't mean to push. But what part of my comment was inappropriate. Read it on #18

I didn't see anything wrong with it.

121 Alouette  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:55pm

re: #93 Bubbaman

And the crickets are chirping at Muslim leadership sites across the world. CAIR, MSA, you name it. Deafening silence. The Religion of Pieces again demonstrates it contempt for humanity. The [bigoted word]s must be eliminated.

They will come out with their usual weasel words, "We condemn all acts of terrorism everywhere," and then make themselves into the victims by crying about "backlash" and "Palestine."

122 sattv4u2[deleted]  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:09:56pm
123 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:10:01pm

re: #117 Creeping Eruption

Don't advocate the murder of others.

I see.

124 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:10:34pm

re: #120 Alaska Kim

I didn't see anything wrong with it.

last 6 words

125 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:10:50pm

re: #113 Daisy

The little guy in khakis (the photo above) appears to have a red thread around his wrist - confusing in that usually Hindus/Buddhists wear that sort of religious artifact. Not aware of it being a Muslim thing.

Any thoughts/ideas?

He is from the Indian special forces lol.

126 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:10pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

Yeah, it was a bit much.

127 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:26pm

re: #104 lawhawk

Here is a quote from the 'Times of India':
"Some unconfirmed reports also speak of at least two of the terrorists being British nationals of Pakistani origin, of the kind who were involved in the London underground bombing."

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

The British Government has said, per the Beeb, that they have no evidence as to British involvement - we simply have to wait and see what comes out after the fog of war has lifted. The information policy from the Indian authorities is a bit haphazard right now.

128 Salamantis  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:47pm

re: #111 Forever

The more I look at this images and read the news stories, the more I feel like they attacked not only Mumbai and India, but the West as well. You can just feel the hatred of these idiots towards us, through every image and news piece on these atrocities. And these "martyrs" will have inspired many idiotic youngsters to follow their example. And the West stands on the sideline and waits until it gets slapped again.

Of course they were attacking the West. They specifically targeted Jews and people from the West, such as people with British or US passports.

129 pink freud  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:50pm

re: #112 NYCHardhat

I'm sorry, I don't mean to push. But what part of my comment was inappropriate. Read it on #18

"Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal."

130 Cato the Elder  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:51pm

This is the first time I heard that they actually attacked HOSPITALS.

Beyond depraved. Demonic.

131 Alaska Kim  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:11:51pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

last 6 words

I suppose. But I'm just tired of us sitting here like quiet little girls and boys until we get nailed again in the US.

132 cagney  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:12:28pm

re: #99 yma o hyd

I don't think it's the time to get blinded by the anti-brit comments in here mate, there's too much evidences of UK Muslims being involved in terrorist activites:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

"A millionaire politician was suspended by his party yesterday after photographs were published of him apparently taking his family — including his five-year-old daughter — to fire an AK47 assault rifle at a military-style camp in Pakistan.

Photographs of Jahangir Hanif, 46, a Scottish National Party councillor in Glasgow who has campaigned against violent crime, were published yesterday by a newspaper beneath the headline: “Councillor Kalashnikov”. He admitted last night that his behaviour had been “foolish and inappropriate”."

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

"Brig. Ed Butler, who spent six months commanding British forces in Afghanistan, also revealed fears that militant Islamic groups in south-east Asia are supporting terrorist plots in the UK.

The brigadier, a former head of the SAS, spoke exclusively to the Daily Telegraph in the week when the British death toll in Afghanistan reached 114, with 17 fatalities in the last two months.

UK forces have uncovered evidence that British Muslims are actively supporting the Taliban and al-Qa'eda in attacks on coalition forces in southern Afghanistan, Brig Butler said.

He said: "There are British passport holders who live in the U.K. who are being found in places like Kandahar."

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

"MI5 is using a fleet of sophisticated surveillance aircraft to search for unidentified Britons who fought alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The manhunt has been ordered because it is feared the committed and highly trained fighters may have returned home to plot terror attacks in the UK.

Planes with eavesdropping equipment are now flying over British cities searching for returning Afghan fighters."

It's hard to admit but there are quite a few traitors living in our country

133 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:12:29pm

re: #70 notutopia

The weapon is blurred because it was moving during the exposure. The train hall is in low light.

134 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:12:40pm

re: #125 Forever

To elaborate: I dont think the (wo)man taking this picture of the man in khakis would still be able to send it to the Internet, if he was photographing a terrorist from that point of view.

135 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:13:29pm

re: #131 Alaska Kim

You won't have to wait much longer. Hope & Change is on the way.

136 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:13:50pm

re: #131 Alaska Kim

I suppose. But I'm just tired of us sitting here like quiet little girls and boys until we get nailed again in the US.

My grandfather taught me to never wrestle with a pig. They'll drag you down into the mud, and they like it there !
(unlike kissing a pig, BTW)

137 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:14:03pm

re: #114 BlueCanuck

It could be. I'm certainly no expert on photography. Camera phones do suck in general. You do have to wonder about the person who took the picture. I mean, if I were someplace and some joker came in and started shooting up the place with an automatic weapon, getting a picture of him wouldn't be my first instinct.

I'd be looking for something solid to get behind.

138 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:14:31pm

Why does it say "gunman" and not terrorists?
Anyone that carries a gun can be a "gunman". That's just fucking BS.

It's called "Terrorists", you leftist douches.

139 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:14:40pm

re: #128 Salamantis

Of course they were attacking the West. They specifically targeted Jews and people from the West, such as people with British or US passports.

Yea, I know, it sounds a bit silly I realise now, as it was said from the beginning about the US and Britons.

140 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:15:21pm

re: #134 Forever

To elaborate: I dont think the (wo)man taking this picture of the man in khakis would still be able to send it to the Internet, if he was photographing a terrorist from that point of view.

I've seen that terrorist in another photo. Not special forces.

141 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:15:47pm

re: #132 cagney

70% of British of Pakistani decent are Kahmiris. Support for Kashmir extremists is very high among UK Pakistanis.

142 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:15:52pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder

These fuckers blow themselves up to kill little girls. And the run of the mill Mohammedan thinks they are heros for doing so. Islam isn't a religion, it is a disease.

143 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:15:56pm

re: #138 Age Of Freedom

Why does it say "gunman" and not terrorists?
Anyone that carries a gun can be a "gunman". That's just fucking BS.

It's called "Terrorists", you leftist douches.

Calling them Terrorists is stigmatising Muslims and inhumane. Of course killing 160 civilians is something not worth labelling these idiots as terrorists.

144 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:16:10pm

re: #115 jorline

From your quote:

"Yes, evil exists . . . one person can be evil. Two people can be evil. But a group of people acting like this is motivated not by evil but by survival . . . and mostly by survival of their children!"
(Emphasis by me)

So those terrorists, in their early twenties, are fighting for their children?
And killing over a hundred innocent people helps their children to survive? How?

Some of that brainwashing at Huffpo seems to eliminate normal reasoning!

145 Alaska Kim  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:16:12pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

My grandfather taught me to never wrestle with a pig. They'll drag you down into the mud, and they like it there !
(unlike kissing a pig, BTW)

My grandfather taught me a lot of things too. And his way of "taking care of business" never would've gotten to the wrestling part!

146 BlueCanuck  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:17:26pm

re: #137 Iron Fist

No expert either, except with my personal camera. Some of the stuff in the picture is typically what I see if I rush a shot a bit.

147 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:17:50pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

I've seen that terrorist in another photo. Not special forces.


I took a look again and I stand corrected. I just found it very strange then that someone managed to make a picture of him so sharp from such a POV.

148 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:17:57pm

re: #117 Creeping Eruption

Don't leave open the possibility that you advocate the murder of others all Muslims, but clearly advocating the killing of terrorists should be OK.

149 Militant-Infidel  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:18:12pm

re: #34 Iron Fist

What's an MP 6? I think you meant MP 5. I once saw a news segment where they were displaying a bunch of weapons confiscated from people in one of the big housing projects. The "journalist" asked the cop to identify the most dangerous weapon in the lot, and she was visibly dissappointed when the cop picked a scoped, bolt-action .30-06.

She was trying to push him towards the "scary" looking Mauser broomhandle. Which was, of course, an antique.

I read a news article about Mumbai where they specifically said the terrorists were using "sophisticated" weapons like the "MP 6" instead of old AK47's.

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

At the time, I assumed that H & K had a new model. It appears now that it was just typical incorrect journalism.

MI

150 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:18:25pm

re: #128 Salamantis

Of course they were attacking the West. They specifically targeted Jews and people from the West, such as people with British or US passports.

They also killed a huge number of Hindus - at the railway station.

I find it upsetting that they are overlooked, in some MSM and apparently here as well.

151 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:18:33pm

re: #115 jorline
Idiots. Most if not all of the 9/11 murderers were college educated. OBLs family is billionaire level in the construction business. Other than the foot soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, most of the terrorists carrying out attacks in India, US, UK, are college educated middle to upper class murderers.

152 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:18:38pm

re: #143 Forever

Hell, according to Michael Moore and the L³eftists these people are the new "Minute Men". It's not just Mohammedans who consider them heros. The so-called "Peace" movement seems to like Mohammedan murderers as well.

153 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:18:43pm

re: #148 Spare O'Lake

I thought that was understood.

154 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:18:50pm

re: #119 Iron Fist

It is a propaganda disaster for the Jihadis if the West will step up and make it a disaster for them. If there were really 60 jihadis and they only managed to kill 150-200 people (was 160, the last time I recall seeing it), well, that's pretty piss-poor for people armed with machineguns against unarmed victims.

OTOH, that seems to be par for the course with jihadis. They aren't very bright, for the most part, nor are they particularly skilled. Kranking off a few rounds in a valley somewhere in Waziristan isn't exactly going to turn out Navy SEALs.

Al Quaada lost Iraq because of their indiscriminate use of large bombs that killed hundreds of innocent Muslims with one blast. No sane human can look at this massacre with anything but anger at the terrorists. Unfortunately a small but aggressive and vocal component of the population are indoctrinated in one way or the other to either commit or support Islamic terrorist operations. This includes our Academia and media, mates!

155 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:19:54pm

re: #144 yma o hyd

Most of the folks at the Huffington Post are advocates of Socialism. Which is to say that they are in favor of the subjugation, plunder, and other abuses of productive people. This requires the mental inversion of good and evil as a matter of habit.

156 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:20:03pm

re: #153 NYCHardhat

I thought that was understood.

Me too, but I was just trying to get into the head of the bannor.

157 bellamags  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:21:01pm

re: #154 LoFlyer

Unfortunately, most of the uneducated public looks UP to academia and the MFM.

158 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:21:12pm

re: #147 Forever

I took a look again and I stand corrected. I just found it very strange then that someone managed to make a picture of him so sharp from such a POV.

Another terrorist? Uplinked through the wi-fi system?

159 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:21:14pm

re: #132 cagney

Ye're right .... sigh .... and its not as if we had no ther scandals to occupy us, like this one!

160 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:22:06pm

The future of terrorism. Sneak attacks in the middle of the night. Locked doors don't do much to keep them out.

161 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:22:08pm

re: #153 NYCHardhat

I thought that was understood.

Here;'s the thing. i'm sure you meant no harm. I'm also sure you meant it as "kill the scumbag terrorists that do these things", not "kill all muslims"
Howeverm there are people that lurk here that will take the most inocuous quote and post them other places as "PROOF" that Charles advocates the genocide of an entire religion!

162 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:22:18pm

re: #156 Spare O'Lake

Its Charles' house. I play by his rules. Apologies or the infraction.

163 notutopia  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:22:22pm

More Black Friday Madness...

[Link: cbs2.com...]

2 Dead In Shooting At Toys 'R' Us Store

PALM DESERT (CBS) ― Two people were shot and killed today inside a Toys "R" Us store in Palm Desert.
Police swarmed to the store near the intersection of Fred Waring Drive and Highway 111 after calls began coming in around 11:30 a.m. about the shooting as shoppers jammed the store seeking "Black Friday" bargains.
There was no immediate word of any relationship between the victims or what caused the shooting to erupt.
Some employees and shoppers continued to be held nearly an hourly after the shooting, as authorities continued an investigation.
At least one teenager was reportedly taken in custody. However, there was no immediate word why he was taken into custody or if he was involved in the shooting.

164 NYCHardhat  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:23:15pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

I get'cha.

165 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:23:23pm

re: #149 Militant-Infidel

Yeah, maybe it is a translation problem. Either way, I think the terrorist in pic 5 has an AK-47 or similar weapon. It isn't an H&K of any stripe. If it were an H&K, it might prove educational to determine where the weapons came from. With AKs there's no freaking point. You can buy fully automatic AK's in America for less than a grand a gun.

166 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:23:37pm

re: #152 Iron Fist

Hell, according to Michael Moore and the L³eftists these people are the new "Minute Men". It's not just Mohammedans who consider them heros. The so-called "Peace" movement seems to like Mohammedan murderers as well.

I have a number of interesting things to say about peace activists...

167 reine.de.tout  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:24:17pm

re: #159 yma o hyd

Ye're right .... sigh .... and its not as if we had no ther scandals to occupy us, like this one!

And "anti-Brit" comments, of course, are generally referring to laws and government policies that don't appear to us to be doing enough to "fight" the islamist threat.

You individual Brits, we love!

168 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:24:25pm

re: #115 jorline

I haven't been there in a while, but I thought I would look and see what the Hufftards are yapping about lately and saw this.

This is a perfect example of the thought process that is being ushered into our country.

Checklist
guns...check ammo...check

It's not about being poor - it's about being an angry Muslim. The left will never wrap their tiny brains around that fact.

If it were about being poor- why aren't the Cuban people (for example) going bat shit crazy?

169 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:24:53pm

re: #155 The Other Les

Most of the folks at the Huffington Post are advocates of Socialism. Which is to say that they are in favor of the subjugation, plunder, and other abuses of productive people. This requires the mental inversion of good and evil as a matter of habit.

Yep - but its disturbing that they can't even see further than their own noses: how can they think that they won't be subjugated as well? Only very few were at the top of the pyramid in 'real' socialist countries ....

170 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:25:13pm

re: #157 bellamags

Unfortunately, most of the uneducated public looks UP to academia and the MFM.

When I was at 'me beloved parents house yesterday I saw the magazines my 'rents were reading, Time, Smithsonian, National Geographic, etc. No wonder they voted Obama, mate! How was your Thanksgiving?

171 cagney  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:25:17pm

re: #159 yma o hyd

Saw that as well.

Considering he leaked info about illegal immigrants, whom for all we know could have an Al-Qaeda operatives, being employed in sensitive government areas and was arrested by anti-terrorist officers, it goes without saying it's a bad day for British democracy.

Can't help thinking when the next attack here will be?

172 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:25:27pm

re: #166 The Other Les
Me too. Asshats, idiots, morons, fools, willing dupes, useful idiots, feckless fools, I could go on and on.

173 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:26:15pm

re: #166 The Other Les

I have a number of interesting things to say about peace activists...

hehehe,, I was walking by a group of them at a college campus (there is also a major hospital there) and the lefties had their WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER banner out.

I walked up to them and said "It is, if you ask the right question!"

174 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:26:17pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

{reine}
Thanks!

175 LEGION  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:28:15pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Ahhh we have to stop worrying about how others view us, we know what we are, the good guys. This is the McCain way of thinking- slapping folks in your own party whilst jumping over the aisle to shake hands with the others who want to destroy you. Worked REAL well for McLame did it not? We lost big time- people don't care- they spend more time planning a summer vacation or buying a toaster than picking our leaders. Self police more gently.It's getting to be not as fun as it used to be round here.

176 Kenneth  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:28:26pm

re: #165 Iron Fist

And you can buy homemade AK knock-offs in Pakistan for about $200

177 jorline  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:28:45pm

re: #168 FrogMarch

It's not about being poor - it's about being an angry Muslim. The left will never wrap their tiny brains around that fact.

If it were about being poor- why aren't the Cuban people (for example) going bat shit crazy?

And 95% of the population of Mexico...good point.

178 cagney  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:29:16pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

The laws and government policies that don't appear to be doing enough to "fight" the islamist threat are being perpetrated by a government that can and will be replaced when the time comes.

179 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:29:18pm

re: #171 cagney

Attack by 'militants', ahem, islamic terrorists - or by our neostalinist government?

Islamists - probably not as long as its so cold and foggy, teeheehee!
Goernment - any time!

180 callahan23  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:29:56pm

re: #168 FrogMarch

It's not about being poor - it's about being an angry Muslim. The left will never wrap their tiny brains around that fact.

If it were about being poor- why aren't the Cuban people (for example) going bat shit crazy?

Or one of the five poorest nations of all: Ethiopia.
Why aren't they fighting a "just" war against their poverty?

181 Harvey  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:30:04pm

re: #114 BlueCanuck

The verticals on the photo seem to have more blur than the horizontals implying the photographer was moving, probably behind the pillar to the right. The blur on the rifle is more noticeable at the muzzle than the receiver, giving the impression that the rifle is being raised. There is also blur behind the right foot of the gunman, a detail which probably would not have been inserted if obscuring the weapon was the aim, but is conversant with the gunman taking a step forward.
I believe this to be a real time image, with combined motion of the gunman and photographer resulting in all of the blurring. This same individual also appears in photo 3 which clearly shows another gunman armed with an AK series weapon.

182 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:30:05pm

re: #175 LEGION

Ahhh we have to stop worrying about how others view us, we know what we are, the good guys. This is the McCain way of thinking- slapping folks in your own party whilst jumping over the aisle to shake hands with the others who want to destroy you. Worked REAL well for McLame did it not? We lost big time- people don't care- they spend more time planning a summer vacation or buying a toaster than picking our leaders. Self police more gently.It's getting to be not as fun as it used to be round here.

No ,, it's Charles Rule. It's also Charles's House. If I were a smoker, and I was invited to your house and asked not to smoke, would it be okay if I smoked because "we have to stop worrying about how others view us, we know what we are, the good guys"?

183 jorline  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:30:12pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

And "anti-Brit" comments, of course, are generally referring to laws and government policies that don't appear to us to be doing enough to "fight" the islamist threat.

You individual Brits, we love!

Agree reine.

{yma}

184 LoFlyer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:30:12pm

re: #171 cagney

Saw that as well.

Considering he leaked info about illegal immigrants, whom for all we know could have an Al-Qaeda operatives, being employed in sensitive government areas and was arrested by anti-terrorist officers, it goes without saying it's a bad day for British democracy.

Can't help thinking when the next attack here will be?

One reason besides our WOT that we have not been attacked, is that America has successfully assimilated the Muslim population, at least most of them. Keeping them happy and employed helps, many only want the "American dream" and are reaching it.

185 Militant-Infidel  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:31:51pm

re: #165 Iron Fist

Yeah, maybe it is a translation problem. Either way, I think the terrorist in pic 5 has an AK-47 or similar weapon. It isn't an H&K of any stripe. If it were an H&K, it might prove educational to determine where the weapons came from. With AKs there's no freaking point. You can buy fully automatic AK's in America for less than a grand a gun.

No question it is from the design genius Mikhail. I doubt that they would use 74's since the 5.45 ammo is much scarcer than the ubiquitous 7.62, particularly in the third world. I know for a fact that the shell casings shown on Wednesday were 7.62 Russian. From a logistics perspective, there is no reason to use anything but AK-47s.

MI

186 FrogMarch  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:32:16pm

re: #177 jorline

And 95% of the population of Mexico...good point.

Yes. Poor folks are not blowing themselves (and others) up. Radical Muslims who are following the most radical portions of the Koran - are.
I suspect the left will continue to refuse to understand -- it doesn't fit nicely into their pre-packaged Michael Moore agenda.

187 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:32:56pm

re: #143 Forever

Calling them Terrorists is stigmatising Muslims and inhumane. Of course killing 160 civilians is something not worth labelling these idiots as terrorists.

So if I call an Islamic gunman in the Mumbai attacks "a terrorist", I'm stigmatizing Muslims?

188 callahan23  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:33:44pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

....WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER .....

I walked up to them and said "It is, if you ask the right question!"

Great I'm gonna remember that well.
So goooood.

189 pingjockey  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:33:48pm

re: #187 Age Of Freedom
I think maybe the sarcasm tag got lrft off. I hope.

190 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:34:42pm

re: #189 pingjockey

I think maybe the sarcasm tag got lrft off. I hope.

Ok, I just noticed it. Damn I'm wired.

191 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:35:04pm

re: #184 LoFlyer

I'm not sure I agree with you on that. Mohammedans don't seem particularly assimilated around here, it's just that they are a tiny minority around here. Dearbornistan, not so much. That tends to be the Mohammedan's MO ever since Mo himself. When you are in the minority, claim you are oppressed. When you are in the Majority, oppress the infidels.

I've seen nothing to make me think that American Mohammedans are any different in this respect than Kashmiri Mohammedans.

192 notutopia  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:35:05pm

re: #181 Harvey

A+ Harvey!

193 yma o hyd  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:35:06pm

re: #184 LoFlyer

One reason besides our WOT that we have not been attacked, is that America has successfully assimilated the Muslim population, at least most of them. Keeping them happy and employed helps, many only want the "American dream" and are reaching it.

But what about their children?
Here, the first generation was happy and employed, then they kept 'importing' family members from Pakistan's villages - and the children are now turning into the pre-jihadists and jihadists the World has learned about.
I hope your happy Muslims will be able to keep thei children from becoming radicalised - so get rid of the mosques and the Saudi Imams, for a start ...

194 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:36:21pm

re: #168 FrogMarch

It's not about being poor - it's about being an angry Muslim. The left will never wrap their tiny brains around that fact.

If it were about being poor- why aren't the Cuban people (for example) going bat shit crazy?

Look how many poor people there are in the Phillippines. Which ones turn to murder? The muslims in Mindanao etc.

Same in Thailand. Think the only poor people in Thailand live in the south? Think again...

195 Forever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:37:44pm

re: #187 Age Of Freedom

So if I call an Islamic gunman in the Mumbai attacks "a terrorist", I'm stigmatizing Muslims?

I was being sarc..

196 cagney  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:38:36pm

re: #184 LoFlyer

America, a nation built on immigration, is successful in assimilating most of it's newly arrived immigrant populations unlike countries like here in the UK which has only experienced immigration until recently.

There are many factors as to why UK Muslims are not immigrating but I don't think it is down to lack of opportunities as mentioned by previous posters that most UK Jihadi's are university educated/middle class.

My take on the reason why assimilation has not been successful is the policies of successive governments, both Labour and Tory, where immigrants have not been dispersed into the community to live side by side with 'native' Brits but been allowed to only live in certain area's which has resulted in the 'ghetto' mentality .

197 DisturbedEma  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:40:00pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

No ,, it's Charles Rule. It's also Charles's House. If I were a smoker, and I was invited to your house and asked not to smoke, would it be okay if I smoked because "we have to stop worrying about how others view us, we know what we are, the good guys"?


Back in the day, we used to call it respect. . .you know, to disagree with a person meant you had different beliefs. . .not that the one who disagreed with you was stupid, a terroriat, or what have you

No respect for those that passed on the kool aid. . .we are all dumb, murderous racists

///

198 Iron Fist  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:40:41pm

re: #185 Militant-Infidel


I would have thought that 5.45 ammo would be pleantiful in the reason if, for no other reason that it is what the Soviets Russians use in their military. Certainly America is swimming in 7.62X39, and the Russians are still manufacturing it (Wolf brand ammo is manufactured in Russia). I'd just think that boosting Red Army supplies would be a significant chunk of the black market in central Asia.

199 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:48:46pm

re: #196 cagney

America, a nation built on immigration, is successful in assimilating most of it's newly arrived immigrant populations unlike countries like here in the UK which has only experienced immigration until recently.

There are many factors as to why UK Muslims are not immigrating but I don't think it is down to lack of opportunities as mentioned by previous posters that most UK Jihadi's are university educated/middle class.

My take on the reason why assimilation has not been successful is the policies of successive governments, both Labour and Tory, where immigrants have not been dispersed into the community to live side by side with 'native' Brits but been allowed to only live in certain area's which has resulted in the 'ghetto' mentality .


Are you sure they are not allowed to live in other areas? Because in the Netherlands people can go and live wherever they want, and still we are slowly sliding towards area's that are turning into Muslim ghetto's. Of course, that could also have something to do with the fact that non-Muslims are harassed until they pack up and leave...

Not integrating in Europe is a matter of choice of the immigrant. Chinese, Indonesians, people from other countries in Europe and the rest of the world, they all seem to manage just fine. And don't think that people are "integrated" just because they have a job and don't bother anybody. One day the US may find out that the integration of those well-integrated Muslims is only skin-deep.

200 Baelzar  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:51:40pm

Jesus H. Tiddy-effing Christ.

They haven't rooted these bastards out YET?

Two nuclear powers starting to scrap in a serious way. This is a disaster.

201 cagney  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 1:59:27pm

re: #199 infidel4ever

Can't find any links but I'm positive it was government policy not to disperse the immigrant population that came in the first wave back in the sixties where attitudes were different but now that the UK is now a more tolerant society than it was back then and the present government is still not doing much to integrate them into society.

202 msdixie  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:02:55pm

Islam isn't about assimilating, it's about submission. But submission can't occur until jihad strikes terror in our hearts and enough kafir infidels are killed so that the others grovel in dhimmitude to their mohammedan masters. There just aren't enough mohammedans in the U.S.A. to accomplish this yet. Daniel Pipes sets the number at around 10% of the total population.

I hate to sound like a broken record but it all starts with the koran, the hadith (words and deeds of moh), and the sira (moh's bio). The islamic jihadi playbook was written by mohammed and hasn't changed in 1,400 years. Over the years, it has been refined according to the time and place. It's all there in the islamic trilogy of death. See Primary doctrine books at [Link: www.politicalislam.com....]

203 Salamantis  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:05:02pm

re: #142 Iron Fist

These fuckers blow themselves up to kill little girls. And the run of the mill Mohammedan thinks they are heros for doing so. Islam isn't a religion, it is a disease.

It can be both; a violent, virulent mind virus. Especially the Al Qaedan Wahhab/Qutb and the Ahmedinejad Hojetiyyist subvariants.

204 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:06:29pm

re: #201 cagney

Can't find any links but I'm positive it was government policy not to disperse the immigrant population that came in the first wave back in the sixties where attitudes were different but now that the UK is now a more tolerant society than it was back then and the present government is still not doing much to integrate them into society.

How much is the US doing to integrate their new immigrants? A lot less than European countries, I want to bet. I am sure most of those immigrants do the integrating themselves. Do you have any idea of the superiority complex a lot of Muslims have? Would you want to assimilate into a society of dogs, pigs etc.?

205 Silhouette  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:14:32pm

re: #202 msdixie

There just aren't enough mohammedans in the U.S.A. to accomplish this yet.

I agree. It isn't better assimilation. It is a lower percentage. Things will change if the numbers get higher. It has in even single other country or region so far for the past 1400 years, so the prediction isn't that risky.

206 cagney  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:15:57pm

re: #204 infidel4ever

I have to agree that it's all about numbers. Here in Scotland we have a lot less Muslims than down in England. They are very liberal and see themselves as Scots but the mask is slipping with the link about a Scottish Muslim councillor being photographed with a AK47 in Pakistan and a leading Muslim Scottish figure Osama Saeed having links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

One can't help but think it is taking over from within.

207 infidel4ever  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:31:22pm

re: #206 cagney

I have to agree that it's all about numbers. Here in Scotland we have a lot less Muslims than down in England. They are very liberal and see themselves as Scots but the mask is slipping with the link about a Scottish Muslim councillor being photographed with a AK47 in Pakistan and a leading Muslim Scottish figure Osama Saeed having links to the Muslim Brotherhood.

One can't help but think it is taking over from within.

They are following this blueprint: [Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

208 Silvergirl  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:37:36pm

I subscribed for so long to the idea of "religion of peace" (concerning Islam), and thought it was just the radical faction that caused all the problems. Am I awful to be wishing that whole religion to just die away? Look at the Indians who are mostly Hindu. When they take their religion to the extreme, they become Gandhi. Nothing wrong with that! I would far rather believe in a plethora of gods and goddesses, with multiple arms, with heads of elephants, animal gods, whatever, than to think I can gain exaltation by sawing off people's heads and shooting and blowing up mass quantities of individuals for my own personal gain in this life or the hereafter.

209 Age Of Freedom  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:40:40pm

re: #195 Forever

I was being sarc..

Yep. My mistake.

210 DL Sly  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:44:06pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

My grandfather taught me to never wrestle with a pig. They'll drag you down into the mud, and they like it there !
(unlike kissing a pig, BTW)

Does that include lipstick-wearing pigs?
*snicker*

211 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:51:36pm

re: #35 tazzerman

I am virtually speechless. Words completely fail me. There is a monster running loose on this planet and the vast majority of people would rather stick their collective heads in the sand then realize that they/we are nothing but fresh meat for these beasts. Waiting for ANY govt to act is shear madness in the face of these barbaric killers. It WILL take the majority of the population of this planet to stand up and confront these animals every time they make themselves known. Just think what would have happened in this instance, if the entire city of Mumbai rose up against these barbarians and stormed the hotels, the Chabad center, the train station en mass, even with just rocks, sticks, bats, bottles and stones, the face of literally hundreds of thousands of people all hell bent on putting a stop to this madness would be more than enough.

I salute the Indian security forces and commandos but they are just so few.

My heart goes out to all those who have been injured and killed and to their families, friends and loved ones.

This madness MUST stop!

To pit masses of unarmed and untrained civilians against marksmen in buildings with open fields of fire would bring only butchery. Even in war, when both sides have guns, such direct tactics tend to fail. Pickett's charge is the case in point.

Within minutes, you'd have had a death toll double and more the actual outcome. There's also this risk: if the authorities had called on the citizenry of Mumbai to take up arms and attack, the citizenry might have launched an indiscriminate pogrom. Next thing you know, the city is aflame from end to end in private score-settling and mob violence, and shortly, there are more fires than the fire department can handle. With enough bad luck and stupidity, you might get a firestorm.

The Indian authorities have done a creditable job. Far better than the Munich police, back when, for example. They've pretty much won this fight, they've saved several structures that might have burned to the ground, they've killed some of the terrorists and they have some prisoners. They've not been cowards and they have their own dead as proof of that.

Interrogation will help unravel the question of who funded this obviously well-supplied and well-funded operation.

212 revobob  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 2:55:56pm

An observation; Here in Orange County (CA) we have a couple of sizeable enclaves of arab people. There are whole neighborhoods where all the business signs are at least bi-lingual, and often only in arabic. As far as I have noticed, they seem to be fairly low profile. There are a few mosques, and even a CAIR office, but I have not seen notably arab names on election ballots, etc. Possibly this is because their numbers are small as a percentage of the population. I think it may also have to do with the fact that their 'turf' is between the Vietnamese community and several Hispanic areas. Those folks are pretty dead-on serious about getting ahead, and would have even less tolerance for jihadist behavior than the liberal Anglos. Another possble factor is that here in SoCal we just may be some of the most practiced assimilationists in the world. In the ways that count- availability of jobs, choice of housing, etc. we are actually pretty good at the equal opportunity mindset. As Anglos, we need to be because the 'minorities' combined outnumber us greatly.

213 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:00:26pm

re: #4 vapig

Brits were whining about how tragically young these terrorists were.

*spit*

With any luck, none of them will ever become tragically old.

214 gman  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:09:50pm

It took a whopping 22 comments on the picture thread before someone blamed Bush for the terrorism in Mumbai.
I do believe we have a new record ladies and gentleman.

215 gman  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:11:55pm

pimf- gentlemen

216 jcbunga  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:24:30pm

A group that can plan, organize and carry out walking amongst unarmed, unsuspecting civilians and machine gunning them is not deserving of a debate or airing of grievances. They are the enemy of society, including whatever society they sprang from.

They don't need to be negotiated with, no study group needs to be appointed to understand them, we don't have to wring hands over them and they don't need a court room and a fair trial.

They need to be hunted down and exterminated like the animals they are and wherever they are.

Meanwhile, is there anything at all that would prevent this from happening here? I'm afraid not.

217 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:26:20pm

re: #81 FightingBack

If it was indeed 60 agressors on the ground, you would have to believe there were at least that many helping with logistics, financing, communications etc, etc. It will be surprising if we find out that not one intelligence agency had any kind of warnings about this.

Moreover, with the incoming administration and the SCOTUS rulings the last 24 months, it deeply frightens me that America will treat these combatants as criminals, rather than what they clearly are - unlawful enemy combatants NOT eligible for protection by any governing war treaty including the Geneva Conventions.

218 Militant-Infidel  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:41:12pm

re: #198 Iron Fist

I would have thought that 5.45 ammo would be pleantiful in the reason if, for no other reason that it is what the Soviets Russians use in their military. Certainly America is swimming in 7.62X39, and the Russians are still manufacturing it (Wolf brand ammo is manufactured in Russia). I'd just think that boosting Red Army supplies would be a significant chunk of the black market in central Asia.

Possibly, but I suspect that the vast majority of AK users still rely on 7.62. The reason for the Soviet change is dubious at best. The flatter trajectory of a 5.45 is only realized at longer ranges and the AK design isn't exactly a precision arm. The greater knockdown power of the 30 Cal is what would be desirable, note the quiet move to 6.8 SPC in some SpecOps circles, who have been complaining about the 22 Cal for years. Besides, I suspect there are oodles of 7.62 ammo manufacturing machines left over from Soviet influence in the area.

MI

219 Smilla  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:46:42pm

Thanks for the link to those news pictures, Charles. Those photojournalists are really doing their job to get the truth out to the world.

Everyone should see those pictures, especially the apologists for Islam on the left. Reminds me of Jackie Kennedy's words when she refused to change her outfit for Johnson's swearing-in on the tarmac. Her clothes were splattered with her husband's blood and brains. She said, 'No, let them see what they have done.' That also goes for anyone who thinks Islam is a religion of peace. By maintaining their delusional stance, they are creating a completely disingenuous doubt in the public consciousness.

These gunmen are powerful weapons for Islam in every way because they are mad. You can't reason with, bribe or persuade a mad person. And why is it we won't be surprised when we find out who is behind these terrible attacks, who funded it and supplied the arms. And why are they allowed to continue to do so?

220 Smilla  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 3:53:42pm

re: #166 The Other Les
Please, don't feel you have to hold back.

221 Rightwingconspirator  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:02:27pm

Apologists for violence simply enable more of the same

222 hazzyday  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:13:15pm

If your Iman was quiet about this violence, it means he approves of it.

223 Lincolntf[deleted]  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:13:57pm
224 Lincolntf  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:21:49pm

Test

225 deportman  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:27:38pm

Only a matter of time before these clowns start jacking-up food courts and cineplexes here. Once the god-king closes Gitmo and gives these idiots "fair" (i.e. ANTI-BUSH) trials, we are in deep, deep trouble. BTW gun sales up since the "O" got elected. The democRATS will attempt to disarm us and leave us at the mercy of future terrorist acts.

226 Lincolntf  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:28:26pm

Hmmm, not sure what I posted that would have warranted deleting, but it might have been my sentiment that those responsible for fomenting this kind of vicious slaughter should be killed where they "live and breed". I was referring to the "breeding" that goes on in the savage Islamic training camps and the indoctrination centers that are called "madrassas".

I've been at a family gathering for the last 3 days and my only info. came from the newspaper. (We deliberately kept the TV tuned to non-Mumbai-massacre programming for the benefit of the kiddies.)
Anyway, should this post survive the posting process, I am absolutely horrified and furious now that I've seen the details of what happened in India.

227 Lincolntf  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:32:41pm

re: #214 gman

I'm still waiting for Bush to blamed for the Wal-Mart trampling death. I can see the NYT header now: "Unchecked aggression embodied by Bush trickles down to X-mas shoppers".

228 Perplexed  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:48:14pm

They had a chance. They could have gone to either Iraq or Afghanistan to fight the infidels man to man. They chickened out again by going after civilians. These might have been muslim males, but they were surely not men. They all lacked honor and disgraced their family names. I hope the Indian government remembers how to extract information.

Good to see cooler heads in Indian government. No nukes flying.

229 Joan  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 4:50:52pm

re: #186 FrogMarch

Yes. Poor folks are not blowing themselves (and others) up. Radical Muslims who are following the most radical portions of the Koran - are.
I suspect the left will continue to refuse to understand -- it doesn't fit nicely into their pre-packaged Michael Moore agenda.

Although, the left is agile and adept at rewriting history. Once the leadership conclude that their short-term goal to establish an ideological monopoly, with permanent political majorities finally in place--they can turn their attention to affairs of state. Maybe they plan to coast awhile on the gains consolidated for them by our military in pushing back against terror. The groundwork has been done by the demon Republicans. At the opportune moment, in the face of some dire situation, the heated rhetoric against the Patriot Act and homeland security will be addressed by The One. The result will be a new, nuanced, Obamatized set of measures, in some respects far more draconian than anything the demon Cheney might have devised through his apelike puppet Bush.

Ah, to see such dexterity in manipulation! How marvelously they surf between alternate realities, cavorting like dolphins in the great big sea.

230 Lincolntf  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 5:00:25pm

God forbid that there's a similar terrorist attack during the Obama administration. But if there is, it will be either barely covered by the media or considered a "step in the right direction" because fewer than 3,000 are killed.
I dread the attacks most, but the inevitable minimization of them frightens me, too. It will only embolden the Islamic terrorists and encourage even more "spectacular" mass murders.

231 Semi Cartman  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 6:21:04pm

re: #218 Militant-Infidel

Besides, I suspect there are oodles of 7.62 ammo manufacturing machines left over from Soviet influence in the area.


The AKM series are still being made and traded all over the developing world with tooling supplied by the Soviets in the 50's and 60's. The M-43 (7.62mm) cartridge likewise. They are so common that it's difficult to trace them to any one country, and easy to deny ever supplying them, especially unmarked examples.

232 DL Sly  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 6:29:07pm

re: #216 jcbunga

Meanwhile, is there anything at all that would prevent this from happening here? I'm afraid not.

It depends on where it happened. Texas, Arizona, et al? I believe the armed citizenry there would definitely aid in bringing a quick and decisive end to that kind of crap. Other states such as Taxechusettes, DC, etc. where the citizenry have effectively been disarmed would not fair so well.

233 jcbunga  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 7:23:20pm

re: #232 DL Sly

It depends on where it happened. Texas, Arizona, et al? I believe the armed citizenry there would definitely aid in bringing a quick and decisive end to that kind of crap. Other states such as Taxechusettes, DC, etc. where the citizenry have effectively been disarmed would not fair so well.

Agreed. These cowards don't pick a fair fight.

234 C-Low  Fri, Nov 28, 2008 8:04:01pm

These pictures should be blasted onto the US TV screens. If we had a real news media and not a propaganda arm for the LLL's they would be showing them so everyone would understand

-why we must fight
-why we must win
-why these Radical Islamist are the enemy of the FREE world not just the US

Sad we live in sad times. I guess the media will go with the story line that they are running now showing no pictures and just speaking about how "Jewish", "British", and "American" citizens were singled out by the terrorist. This clouds the reality and makes one believe the Islamist only hate certain groups for un-mentioned but insinuated reasons.

The reality these photos prove and drive home is that not just "Jewish", "British", and "American" citizens were targeted but many of the Indian and other innocent victims. The media of course cannot show this because if the common people knew our enemy is the enemy of the "brown Peopel" also and everyone else including many even of their own Muslim brothers it would make US right and our recent deeds/actions justified.

235 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sat, Nov 29, 2008 12:51:28am

re: #234 C-Low


The reality these photos prove and drive home is that not just "Jewish", "British", and "American" citizens were targeted but many of the Indian and other innocent victims. The media of course cannot show this because if the common people knew our enemy is the enemy of the "brown Peopel" also and everyone else including many even of their own Muslim brothers it would make US right and our recent deeds/actions justified.

Interesting. I bet you that most people don't know that Muslims are the main victims of Islamic terrorism. Mention what happened in Algeria in the 1990s and most people won't know what you're talking about.

Of course, every life, no matter the nationality or religion is precious, but I was thinking this morning why, out of millions of Mumbai residents, did they go after a couple Jews? The reason is simply that their ideology is a Nazi one. I learned that the Nazis made special efforts to go after every single Jew, even if they had to send a boat to a distant Greek island with only one Jewish resident.

236 baslimthecripple  Sat, Nov 29, 2008 6:26:29am

re: #53 Forever

You need to be careful about casting pearls before swine.

237 Charles  Sat, Nov 29, 2008 1:45:21pm

Just testing something...

238 eclectic infidel  Sat, Nov 29, 2008 2:34:35pm

re: #65 NYCHardhat

I guess my 17 was too harsh?

I have no idea why #17 or #18 were deleted. Boggles the mind.

239 eclectic infidel  Sat, Nov 29, 2008 2:38:32pm

re: #238 eclectic infidel

I have no idea why #17 or #18 were deleted. Boggles the mind.


OK. I get it now.


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