I hope they get these bastards alive- make them sing like birds.

re: #1 Sharmuta

I hope they get these bastards alive- make them sing like birds.

Ah, Ah, Ah (wagging finger) mind the Geneva Conventions!

/major sarc

I just can't quit watching the ndtv coverage.

I am anxious to see a final report on this - the situation has been so chaotic, it's been hard to get a full picture of what happened.

I really liked what the British escapee had to say a min ago on IBN, something to the effect of 'Don't be fearful or the terrorists win. When they have a gun on you, that's the time to be fearful - but you shouldn't live the rest of your life in fear.'

re: #1 Sharmuta

I dunno if they should be shot in action and die slow or captured alive and roasted for everything they know, but I hope the good guys win this one!

Thank God!

STOP the terrorists!

A repost from the other thread:

I'm watching Michael Moore on a loser local channel right now. My irrational fear of clowns from my childhood just came back.

Why is this taking so long to unfold? I.e. why were the Muslims holding all those hostages, rather than just killing everyone immediately? I haven't heard that they were making any demands. Were they just hoping to draw out the horrible drama for as long as possible?

Fry these bastards.

I just heard some info on the Jews in Nariman house...I just listened to a few minutes of Savage: according to his source in India, the Jews were all bound and killed...Mom was holding the baby when she was killed...he crawled out from under her. The nanny heard him cry and opened to door of the room she was hiding in; when she saw him, she grabbed him and made her way out.
Bastards!

re: #8 Last Mohican

Why is this taking so long to unfold? I.e. why were the Muslims holding all those hostages, rather than just killing everyone immediately? I haven't heard that they were making any demands. Were they just hoping to draw out the horrible drama for as long as possible?

I'm going to guess/speculate that two things might be coming into play: The terrorists have RDX, some of the explosions we heard on tape could have been booby traps or suicide vests. The other would be that there was preparations from the inside of the hotel for this (two of the terrorists were employed by the hotel, two were guests,) and they could have prepped some hidey holes in utility spaces and be coming back out after the big sweeps pass.

re: #8 Last Mohican

Why is this taking so long to unfold? I.e. why were the Muslims holding all those hostages, rather than just killing everyone immediately? I haven't heard that they were making any demands. Were they just hoping to draw out the horrible drama for as long as possible?

As I've said before, these folks and their handlers are several cuts above Richard Reid. This took money, planning and training.

...there are at least three terrorists murdering psychopaths still holed up inside...

There, fixed it.

Wonder if we will ever take our own security and survival seriously? Will it take an atrocity such as this in our country to turn people away from the folly of "mainstreaming" terrorist warfare into a criminal justice model? Does Obama have what it takes to lead the country into a desperately needed paradigm shift, into survival mode, and out of the spun sugar confection of leftist pacifism and appeasement? I don't know--is Obama merely inexperienced, which can be helped--or is he stupid. 'Cause, there ain't no cure for stupid.

I really hope India goes Medieval on their asses!

re: #8 Last Mohican

Why is this taking so long to unfold? I.e. why were the Muslims holding all those hostages, rather than just killing everyone immediately? I haven't heard that they were making any demands. Were they just hoping to draw out the horrible drama for as long as possible?

It seems to me the media is calling people "hostages" until their deaths can be confirmed. In other words, I don't think it's clear that the terrorists were holding live hostages. But until the police forces can get into the buildings, it seems that the missing folks are being referred to as "hostages".

re: #15 Joan

There ain't no cure for stupid.

Rotating title!

re: #16 vapig

I really hope India goes Medieval on their asses!

"Hey, Norm, do we still have the guillotine in the storage closet?"

"Yeah, but we might have to dust it off a little."

re: #12 Thanos

Interesting theory.

re: #12 Thanos

. . . The other would be that there was preparations from the inside of the hotel for this (two of the terrorists were employed by the hotel, two were guests,) and they could have prepped some hidey holes in utility spaces and be coming back out after the big sweeps pass.

Where did you get that info? I saw some references made to "control centers" that they had set up, but what I saw didn't have anything more specific than that.

These bastards didn't tie up other people, so why tie up the rabbi? Whats that about, hmm? Were they afraid he would pray?

I have no idea why one hotel takes days to clear. Maybe they have been in stand-off conditions the whole time. Maybe the terrorists have been blending in with civilians. Maybe their advanced recon (some supposedly worked at the hotel) gave them knowledge of hidey holes.

What if these bastards really did come out of pakistan?

I'd say it guarantees a war.

This could get very, very bad.

re: #12 Thanos

I'm going to guess/speculate that two things might be coming into play: The terrorists have RDX, some of the explosions we heard on tape could have been booby traps or suicide vests. The other would be that there was preparations from the inside of the hotel for this (two of the terrorists were employed by the hotel, two were guests,) and they could have prepped some hidey holes in utility spaces and be coming back out after the big sweeps pass.

Does the smell of explosives and arms screw up sniffer-dogs' noses?

re: #21 reine.de.tout

Where did you get that info? I saw some references made to "control centers" that they had set up, but what I saw didn't have anything more specific than that.

I heard it on news reports, no print references

re: #12 Thanos

Call the Orkin Army...

WWOD

You'll figure it out.

I am very thankful for the respect the Indians are paying to the Rabbi's body.

re: #13 MandyManners

As I've said before, these folks and their handlers are several cuts above Richard Reid. This took money, planning and training.

But when it was first being reported they (news media) was saying that it was a "low budget" attack and very unorganized. At the time I was thinking to myself - no terrorist attack is low budget and unorganized - just the coverage of it.

re: #26 Thanos

I heard it on news reports, no print references

OK.
I am hoping to see a complete report on this after it's all over.

re: #28 Elcid

WWOD

You'll figure it out.

Instruct us to tuck our heads under our legs and kiss our bums goodbye?

Given the Beslen lesson, even if there were "hostage" situations, I'm glad the Indians went in right away. Don't give the bastards time to wire the place. Keep them moving.

re: #1 Sharmuta

I hope they get these bastards alive- make them sing like birds.

They have three in custody that Maharashtra Police say are members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the terrorists that the ISI, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, used to support.

re: #30 Dolphin

But when it was first being reported they (news media) was saying that it was a "low budget" attack and very unorganized. At the time I was thinking to myself - no terrorist attack is low budget and unorganized - just the coverage of it.

Why would the MFM say that?

re: #12 Thanos

What is/are RDX?

CNN reported the ''two worked in the hotel, two others were registered as guests,'' part about two hours ago.

re: #34 Rancher

They have three in custody that Maharashtra Police say are members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the terrorists that the ISI, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, used to support.

As in, no longer support?

re: #32 gclaghorn

There's a BINGO...hold your cards...under the B...

re: #36 Dolphin

What is/are RDX?

Plastic explosive I think?

re: #36 Dolphin

What is/are RDX?

High explosives like C3/4 etc.

re: #27 Joan

Call the Orkin Army...

It's time to call in the Cobra

Mumbai needs to have closure on the loss of its people, officers and guests of the country. This needs to come to an end after 50 plus hours, the whole globe is waiting for closure.
Pray for this to end tonight.

re: #35 MandyManners

Why would the MFM say that?

Ok, I am ignorant or my brain is not working right, right now - what is MFM? lol.

re: #15 Joan

I know you meant those questions rhetorically, but I'll just go ahead and answer them anyway.

Wonder if we will ever take our own security and survival seriously?

No.

Will it take an atrocity such as this in our country to turn people away from the folly of "mainstreaming" terrorist warfare into a criminal justice model?

We had a worse atrocity, and that's exactly what it did. Now the American people have decided that all the solders and stuff are real boring, so we're gonna go back to the criminal justice model.

Does Obama have what it takes to lead the country into a desperately needed paradigm shift,

Obama doesn't have what it takes to lead the country into the weekend, let alone a paradigm shift.

into survival mode, and out of the spun sugar confection of leftist pacifism and appeasement?

America has spoken. We'll take the confection, thanks.

I don't know--is Obama merely inexperienced, which can be helped--or is he stupid. 'Cause, there ain't no cure for stupid.

Inexperienced, yes. Stupid, no. Steadfast in his determination not to protect America from terrorism? Absolutely.

re: #34 Rancher

They have three in custody that Maharashtra Police say are members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the terrorists that the ISI, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, used to support.

Down a thread or two I posted a 2005 documentary on them; there's also now a Wiki page up where they are trying to collect and collate the facts

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #36 Dolphin

What is/are RDX?

Just know that if you're in a crowded room and someone shouts it, you need to get the hell out.

re: #42 x-wing

Forget the cobra: where's rainbow when ya need 'em?!

My guess is that this is most likely a Pakistan-sponsored hit-job with a dual intent of paralyzing the financial capital of India and attacking Westerners. Contrary to some of the media reporting here that lays the blame on Indian/homegrown terrorists. Also, the Indian politicians are shamelessly out of touch and incompetent. It will take a lot of bribes from the rich folks for these clowns to be incentivized to beef up security and terror response systems. Fortunately, the Indian citizens share that tenacity and resilience thats been demonstrated by humanity over and over again. They will not let the terrorists win... it took over a decade of serious efforts to quell terrorism in Punjab in the 1980s and hopefully there's another KPS Gill or Dick Cheney out there to marshall the resources.

Pakistan is the nation that is the biggest danger to the world today. Lawless armed regions, nukes, fragile governing coalitions, huge population constantly being radicalized. India has the misfortune of being in a bad neighborhood. I blame the Koran and the sheer lack of will to mature given that Allah has already taken care of everything, so why bother?

If there are no more alive hostages, fine, use gaz and smoke them out !

re: #42 x-wing

It's time to call in the Cobra

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Crap. Let's try that in English

Another explosion, sounded grenadish...

re: #44 Dolphin

Ok, I am ignorant or my brain is not working right, right now - what is MFM? lol.

MotherFuckingMedia.

This goes to show what idiots these terrorists were: I detest terrorism, but I understand the need to use it for political purposes. However, those who use it without any clear political statement are just a bunch of thugs without a cause.

They don't know what they stand for. They don't know why they hate. They just do. They're not even smart enough to post a manifesto.

Their message of wanton hate was brought to you by the Taliban and modern fundamentalist Islam. I don't know why anyone would think this is a better idea than what we have now.

They may be biologically human, but they're not part of humanity. Frankly, I don't care what becomes of them. It would be different if I cared enough to hate them back. But I don't. They're deluded, sick and hopeless people. They don't deserve anyone's support. Live and let die.

re: #51 Flying Dutchman

If there are no more alive hostages, fine, use gaz and smoke them out !

Normally, I would highly recommend a nice carpet-bombing, but this building is a piece of history. So if we really -must- use gas...

re: #53 Thanos

Does the smell of explosives and arms screw up sniffer-dogs' noses?

Pakistan is the center of Islamist insects. They backed and may have even formed, the Taliban. Hidden Laden and Zawahiri. Assassinated Bhutto, if India blows them up...all the better.

more flash bangs.

re: #47 gclaghorn

Just know that if you're in a crowded room and someone shouts it, you need to get the hell out.

Good to know - RDX = move! Fast.

re: #55 blangwort

This goes to show what idiots these terrorists were: I detest terrorism, but I understand the need to use it for political purposes. However, those who use it without any clear political statement are just a bunch of thugs without a cause. . . .

What?

re: #59 Thanos

more flash bangs.

Thanks for the updates, as I cant get IBN to stream.

re: #48 davinvalkri

Forget the cobra: where's rainbow when ya need 'em?!

This Rainbow?

re: #57 MandyManners

Does the smell of explosives and arms screw up sniffer-dogs' noses?

Mongo not know...

Any K-9'ers out there who can answer Mandy's question?

re: #62 Wishing

Thanks for the updates, as I cant get IBN to stream.

If you have a router, just bypass it.

re: #59 Thanos

more flash bangs.

Nothing on NDTV was it on IBN ?

re: #64 Thanos

Mongo not know...

Any K-9'ers out there who can answer Mandy's question?

I think they are specially trained to filter out any "noise" smells.

re: #65 Moe Katz

If you have a router, just bypass it.

I am on a laptop, wireless to my pc and cable. sigh

re: #66 Flying Dutchman

Nothing on NDTV was it on IBN ?

Yeah, I'm streaming IBN, it was minimized so it could have been stock replay, but at least one was realtime, like the one I just heard

This comment at the NYT website is so classic (either that or Joe forgot a sarc tag) that I had to post it:

Not to sound political...but I'm confused. Obama won the election...I thought the world loved us again. I guess these terrorists targeting Brits and Yanks didn't get the memo. Does this mean the War on Terror is real? Maybe George Bush didn't make this up after all.
— Joe, Reading, PA

re: #61 reine.de.tout

What?

With you there I don't understand the need to use terrorism at all.

At least "professional" terrorists actually have a political goal/statement planned as a part of it, he did make apoint that these guys are just thugs, just random criminals with no real goal other than just utter mayhem.

re: #54 MandyManners

MotherFuckingMedia.

You are so eloquent!

re: #19 gclaghorn

"Hey, Norm, do we still have the guillotine in the storage closet?"

"Yeah, but we might have to dust it off a little."

Dust it off? Ohhh...dull blade!

re: #66 Flying Dutchman

Nothing on NDTV was it on IBN ?

Earlier on NDTV,, they did say that the *encounter* at the Taj was still ongoing, some 55 hours into the attack.

re: #8 Last Mohican

I.e. why were the Muslims holding all those hostages, rather than just killing everyone immediately?

They were talking to the media with the usual outrageous demands.

We want all Mujahideens held in India released and only after that we will release the people.

re: #31 reine.de.tout

OK.
I am hoping to see a complete report on this after it's all over.

[Link: www.zeenews.com...]

ONE TAJ TERRORIST WAS WORKING AS CHEF

re: #54 MandyManners

LOL - what is your acronym for BHO? I have seen it, but don't remember it.

For what it is worth today is the first day in about four months that the TV has been on Fox (any news) because of the Mumbai situation.

re: #54 MandyManners

re: #72 legalpad

You are so eloquent!

Our Mandy does know how to turn a phrase !

re: #75 Rancher

Why am I hearing quotes from Frank Herbert's "Dune"?

it was almost like he was psychic or something

One other note on the LeT documentary I posted: in it they deny allegiance to AQ, but 13 months later they had sworn allegiance in Sept. 2006

re: #68 Wishing

I am on a laptop, wireless to my pc and cable. sigh

Oh, I see. Too bad.

re: #64 Thanos

Thanos keep with the updates please. IBN not streaming for me either tonight.
THX.
:

re: #76 Bobibutu

[Link: www.zeenews.com...]

ONE TAJ TERRORIST WAS WORKING AS CHEF

I knew someone here would have some info!
That's frightening - there could be others just waiting for a different time.

re: #79 sattv4u2

That she does - doesn't make you proud to "know" her? I know it does me.

re: #63 x-wing

I was thinking more along the lines of Tom Clancy's guys; Rainbow Six is the head honcho, with full takedown teams ready to go.

re: #75 Rancher

Yeah, they had four demands, I can't remember them all atm, I'll see if I can find them again on the Kashiri intifada sites.

re: #38 MandyManners

As in, no longer support?

The current Government doesn't, but the military is a whole nother animal. Also there are supposedly "rogue" elements in the ISI.

re: #88 Rancher

The current Government doesn't, but the military is a whole nother animal. Also there are supposedly "rogue" elements in the ISI.

Why does it seem that third world countries' militaries have their own political agenda or something?

And they want to do away with Water Boarding? I say its time for electrodes, example, attach electrode, zzz "my name is Mamoosh I come from England I'm not poor like you are lead to believe by the media, I have good education and parents are Doctors, and yes I am Terrorist" Re-attach electrodes , zzz.

These people make me sick.

re: #64 Thanos

Mongo not know...

Any K-9'ers out there who can answer Mandy's question?

I was wondering if they could find folks hiding out like you theorized in No. 12 if the building had been the scene of gunfire, explosions, fire and (presumably) tear gas.

re: #69 Thanos

Yeah, I'm streaming IBN, it was minimized so it could have been stock replay, but at least one was realtime, like the one I just heard

Again able to watch both feeds (one muted)

how bout some long and loud and unqualified denunciations of the attacks by all Muslim leaders? How bout they start now and don't stop until terrorism ends? How bout they blame the attackers and the attackers only?

less nuance - more straight out condemnation.

Too funny. I just received an "invitation" (you pay for it) to be part of some legal delegation junket to India.

/um, let me think, pass

From the Wiki:

A previously unknown organization identifying itself as the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility by email sent to news organizations.[3] Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said the attacks probably had “external linkages,” believing that the attack could not have occurred without help.[10] On 28 November, police stated that three terrorists who had attacked the Taj Hotel confessed to being members of the Pakistani-based Lashkar-e-Taiba Islamist group,[11][12] which may have severe consequences for India-Pakistan relations.[13] The Indian Mujahideen terrorist group threatened in September 2008 to carry out bombings at sites in Mumbai.[14][15] According to some news reports, a terrorist holding hostages at the Oberoi told an Indian TV channel that they wanted all 'Mujahideen' in Indian prisons released before they released their hostages. He also indicated that there were seven terrorists holding hostages at that location.[16][17] Other reports indicate that this demand was made through a hostage at the Mumbai Chabad House, in a call to the Israeli consulate in New Delhi.[18] Experts have conflicting views as to whether Al Qaeda is behind the attacks.[19][20]

Also note that I posted a link this am where an LeT confession spoke about attack / infiltration from the sea well prior to the attack. Rubber dinghys at night are hard to stop even if you are expecting them btw.

Anybody remember the link to IBN Live Streaming?

re: #78 Dolphin

LOL - what is your acronym for BHO? I have seen it, but don't remember it.

For what it is worth today is the first day in about four months that the TV has been on Fox (any news) because of the Mumbai situation.

CommieBastardBHO.

re: #89 Hengineer

Why does it seem that third world countries' militaries have their own political agenda or something?

The military often represents the only organized technocratic elite in countries that have little other infrastructure.

re: #72 legalpad

You are so eloquent!

*bows*

re: #88 Rancher

The current Government doesn't, but the military is a whole nother animal. Also there are supposedly "rogue" elements in the ISI.

Too bad the government can't (won't) clean house.

re: #96 gclaghorn

[Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

re: #96 gclaghorn

Anybody remember the link to IBN Live Streaming?

Here : [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

re: #87 Thanos

Yeah, they had four demands, I can't remember them all atm, I'll see if I can find them again on the Kashiri intifada sites.

Well that oughtta be a lovely little internet browse. Remember not to click on the pop-up ads.

re: #102 Thanos

[Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

re: #103 Flying Dutchman

Here : [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

Thank you both!

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

Arrested terrorist says gang hoped to get away

The gang of terrorists who wreaked mayhem in Mumbai for three days were made to believe by their Lashkar bosses that they were not

being sent on a suicide mission and that they would be coming back alive.

In a sensational disclosure made by Ajmal, the jihadi nabbed alive by Mumbai cops, the group had planned to sail out on Thursday. Their recruiters had even charted out the return route for them and stored it on the GPS device which they had used to navigate their way to the Mumbai shoreline.

This suggests that the terrorists were willing to undertake a mission which they knew would be very risky, but not necessarily suicidal.

Dishes and laundry are calling. bbl

re: #103 Flying Dutchman

Here : [Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

TYTY! That link worked!

re: #58 Elcid

re: #71 Hengineer

You're kidding, right? I mean, there must be a couple hundred Jews in Mumbai. Do you think that choosing a miniscule Jewish target and killing the people inside was NOT a "political" statement. HELLOOO

re: #107 MandyManners

Dishes and laundry are calling. bbl

tell em to SHUT UP

re: #93 RickJ

how bout some long and loud and unqualified denunciations of the attacks by all Muslim leaders? How bout they start now and don't stop until terrorism ends? How bout they blame the attackers and the attackers only?

less nuance - more straight out condemnation.

Some random Imam -

"I denounce these attacks and wish that the Indian people had laid down their arms and pronounced to all that Allah is god and Muhammad is his messenger and accepted sharia law. Oh wait you mean they won't? Then I denounce the Indian Hindus!"

re: #106 Bobibutu

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

Arrested terrorist says gang hoped to get away

The gang of terrorists who wreaked mayhem in Mumbai for three days were made to believe by their Lashkar bosses that they were not

being sent on a suicide mission and that they would be coming back alive.

In a sensational disclosure made by Ajmal, the jihadi nabbed alive by Mumbai cops, the group had planned to sail out on Thursday. Their recruiters had even charted out the return route for them and stored it on the GPS device which they had used to navigate their way to the Mumbai shoreline.

This suggests that the terrorists were willing to undertake a mission which they knew would be very risky, but not necessarily suicidal.

Wow. That is a surprising development.

re: #100 MandyManners

Too bad the government can't (won't) clean house.

They have about three times, but there is a large amount of sympathy there for the Kashmir cause. That started in Zia al Haq's time, and every ruler since has carried it forward. Mushy even supported it until Oct. 2006, coincidentally also the time when the assassination attempts on him started.

re: #89 Hengineer

They did in Iraq.

re: #61 reine.de.tout

What?

I believe he/she meant "understand" as in "comprehend," not as in "to sympathize or have a tolerant attitude toward."

re: #56 gclaghorn

Normally, I would highly recommend a nice carpet-bombing, but this building is a piece of history. So if we really -must- use gas...

Carpet bombing?

re: #11 Wishing

I just heard some info on the Jews in Nariman house...I just listened to a few minutes of Savage: according to his source in India, the Jews were all bound and killed...Mom was holding the baby when she was killed...he crawled out from under her. The nanny heard him cry and opened to door of the room she was hiding in; when she saw him, she grabbed him and made her way out.
Bastards!

That's incredible...the terrorists wouldn't have shown any remorse for shooting a two year old - we know very well they showed no remorse for murdering a twelve year old in front of her father.

Animals.

re: #109 yenta-fada

re: #71 Hengineer

You're kidding, right? I mean, there must be a couple hundred Jews in Mumbai. Do you think that choosing a miniscule Jewish target and killing the people inside was NOT a "political" statement. HELLOOO

I thought it was Westerners that were the targets, but to me they'd make a statement or something.

I thought according to Islam, they were supposed to make an ultimatum, where you're supposed to convert or die, THEN they attack.

re: #109 yenta-fada

re: #71 Hengineer

You're kidding, right? I mean, there must be a couple hundred Jews in Mumbai. Do you think that choosing a miniscule Jewish target and killing the people inside was NOT a "political" statement. HELLOOO

And they bound them as well and shot them...the baby crawled out from under his dead Ima: the nanny heard him cry and opened the door to the room she was hiding in and grabbed him.

re: #112 MandyManners

Maybe they have decided to 'recycle' terrorists rather than use up landfill sites.

re: #112 MandyManners

Wow. That is a surprising development.

Strategic planning and tactical execution of this sentinel event will most likely be studied for years.

re: #106 Bobibutu

If they thought they might come back, that tells me they are less likely to be just lackeys, and would therefore have lots more in their brains if any can be caught to be interrogated.

re: #86 davinvalkri

I was thinking more along the lines of Tom Clancy's guys; Rainbow Six is the head honcho, with full takedown teams ready to go.

Oh. I didn't read that book (what's the title?). I've been looking for a new book to read. Just got done with "Ted,White and BLUE" By the Nuge. Now that guy has some serious fire power.

re: #124 x-wing

Oh. I didn't read that book (what's the title?). I've been looking for a new book to read. Just got done with "Ted,White and BLUE" By the Nuge. Now that guy has some serious fire power.

"Rainbow Six"

It was a good read, his first novel without Jack Ryan

re: #108 Wishing

TYTY! That link worked!

Charles posted it yesterday, It's on the front page

Here is another one NDTV :

re: #120 Wishing

And they bound them as well and shot them...the baby crawled out from under his dead Ima: the nanny heard him cry and opened the door to the room she was hiding in and grabbed him.

God bless that nanny.
And that poor child. I read somewhere (I think Fox) that tomorrow is his birthday.
I hope the Indian security forces get every last piece of information they can out of those bastards they caught, anyway they can.

re: #123 Silhouette

If they thought they might come back, that tells me they are less likely to be just lackeys, and would therefore have lots more in their brains if any can be caught to be interrogated.

Several are caught/talking already.

re: #80 Hengineer

Why am I hearing quotes from Frank Herbert's "Dune"?

My all time favorite book. Spice, oil, Mujahideen, Fedaykin.

re: #119 Hengineer

They been making "statements" since the Munich Olympics slaughter of Israeli athletes. 'What part of the kill the Jews wherever you find them' message in the Koran are you not receiving?

Leaving now Lizards. Wanted to make some comments, but there are no words to describe these unholy bastards better than you've all done. Later.

re: #128 Bobibutu

Several are caught/talking already.

Ve haff our vays ...

re: #117 vapig

Carpet bombing?

Well at least you would know that the terrorists are good and dead.

re: #128 Bobibutu

Several are caught/talking already.

Good. I hope the good guys let them know that they were lied to by their bosses and there was really no way to come out alive/uncaptured.

re: #132 Moe Katz

Ve haff our vays ...

Fire up der vaterboard!

I read at Haaretz that when the gunmen were initially attacking the center, neighbors came out of their homes and tried to defend the center's residents by throwing rocks, etc. but were repelled by gunfire.

The bravery of ordinary Indian citizens -- housekeepers, hotel staff, people from the neighborhood -- in the midst of such a horrible scene is one of the things that keeps me from dispairing altogether about humanity.

re: #89 Hengineer

Why does it seem that third world countries' militaries have their own political agenda or something?

Remember up until Musharraf was ousted Pakistan was a military dictatorship. The military isn't too happy with the current government's peace overtures toward India either. In allot of these governments the military doesn't work for the people, they are their own power-base.

re: #134 Silhouette

Good. I hope the good guys let them know that they were lied to by their bosses and there was really no way to come out alive/uncaptured.

I would think that would be the gentlest aspect of the discussion.

re: #132 Moe Katz

Ve haff our vays ...

Talk, or we will crank up the Ravi Shankar CD even loader! If you continue to hold out, we will be forced to play the dreaded Barry Manilow CD's at you!

re: #96 gclaghorn

Anybody remember the link to IBN Live Streaming?

Try this one

re: #125 Hengineer

"Rainbow Six"

It was a good read, his first novel without Jack Ryan

Thank you. Top of my to buy list.

re: #100 MandyManners

Too bad the government can't (won't) clean house.

They can't even control a large part of their own country, i.e. the Tribal Areas.

re: #54 MandyManners

MotherFuckingMedia.

They're part of the domestic enemy. How the hell do we stay focused on the terrorist enemy when we have to keep looking over our shoulder at our own media and the left they represent.
It's like having home base covered by the opposition's catcher...like your goal line being covered by the other team's goalie.
Traitorous bastards...

More big blasts at Taj

re: #36 Dolphin

What is/are RDX?

RDX

Coincidentally, I happen to be reading about the Israeli killing of "The Engineer," Yehiya Ayyash, responsible for creating many of the bombs that killed Israelis in the '90s (and for training others to do so subsequently).

According to Katz in The Hunt for the Engineer, the Israelis used 50 grams of RDX placed around a cellphone battery, detonating it remotely when he used the phone. It ripped half his face off.

That's some powerful explosive.

re: #133 gclaghorn

Well at least you would know that the terrorists are good and dead.

We used them in GWI. It rattled the Iraqi's nerves so badly they started surrendering en masse to our camera crews.

Interesting:

Major General RK Hooda, GOC, Maharashtra, was more explicit. He told NDTV news channel that the attackers had come by boat from Pakistan. Other TV channels named a gunmen held by authorities as Abu Ismail, said to be a Punjabi-speaking youth from Pakistan. A satellite phone recovered from two dead terrorists reportedly showed calls made to Karachi before and after the attacks commenced.
Intelligence analysts suggested the prime suspect in the al-Qaeda-type operation would be the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the banned military wing of the Islamic organisation Markaz-ud-Dawa-al-Irshad headquarted in Muridke near the Punjab capital Lahore.

The Al-Qaeda linked LeT was founded in 1989 in the Kunar province of Afghanistan, and its fighters have been active in fighting Indian security forces in Kashmir since 1993. But security analyst Uday Bhaskar said "though it would be tempting to blame a Pakistan-based group, especially the LeT, we need to wait for some more evidence to establish the link".

In the past, the LeT was alleged to have close links with Pakistan's ISI agency. But on the basis of what is known so far, none of the Indian security analysts believe that the Pakistan security establishment would have played a role in the organising the Mumbai operation. "But former ISI or even retired Pakistan Navy officials could have been involved with the LeT," said an analyst.

re: #142 Rancher

They can't even control a large part of their own country, i.e. the Tribal Areas.

I'm pretty sure India, among others, would be "glad" to do the job

Steady sustained firing in the hotel, they upped it from one still loose to three.

Watching/listening to the IBD coverage. Feeling sad for that poor scared dog.

re: #143 LGoPs

They're part of the domestic enemy. How the hell do we stay focused on the terrorist enemy when we have to keep looking over our shoulder at our own media and the left they represent.
It's like having home base covered by the opposition's catcher...like your goal line being covered by the other team's goalie.
Traitorous bastards...

Yes - and Talk Radio is like our Radio Free America. That's why the left wants to silence it. Soon there will be internet "filters."

Action concentrated between the two wings

re: #125 Hengineer

"Rainbow Six"

It was a good read, his first novel without Jack Ryan

Similar to what happened in India. Several terrorists slip into the US from Mexico and simultaneously attack malls across the country with automatic weapons. Rainbow Six hunts down and exterminates those responsible, like the Mossad is going to do.

Hellacious heavy fire, it's Butch Cassidy end scene there

re: #155 Thanos

Hellacious heavy fire, it's Butch Cassidy end scene there

Big time.

re: #93 RickJ

how bout some long and loud and unqualified denunciations of the attacks by all Muslim leaders? How bout they start now and don't stop until terrorism ends? How bout they blame the attackers and the attackers only?

less nuance - more straight out condemnation.

Ain't gonna happen. The silence has been deafening for years...and silence implies consent.

21-year-old Kasab told police they had done a reccee of Mumbai few months ago. He said he had come along with eight of the operatives to Mumbai as students and lived in a rented room at Colaba market, a stone's throw away from Nariman House.

[Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

re: #152 vapig

Yes - and Talk Radio is like our Radio Free America. That's why the left wants to silence it. Soon there will be internet "filters."

You're right. i don't know about others but the Fairness Doctrine is likely to be my 'tipping point'.

Keeping my goddamned powder dry...

more blasts, firing slow with long pauses between now.

Another loud explosion, lobby area

Another loud explosion.

Watching a CNN interview with this Erlich character was at the Taj hotel.

This guy has a clue, and is basically saying what needs to be said.

He pointed out that we have to live our lives, and stand with the Indians.

Blitzer brought up that Erlich is jewish, and Erlich pointed out that out of the 1 billion people in India, where some 10,000 are of the tribe, somehow, the bad people figured out where they were and how to hit them.

Most un-PC for CNN. Where is Christiane Amanpour? Doesn't she want to help us blame the tribe for attacks on the tribe?

Erlich showed what it was to be a mensch, even after bad people came for him because of who he was, and not what he had done.

I do find the media's insistence that they don't know who did this attack about as honest as their claims of impartiality in the recent presidential election.

Why are British citizens, born in the UK, going overseas to commit homicide in the name of islam? This isn't sudden jihad syndrome. There is something more nefarious going on.

And how come the media hasn't asked a very basic question that Erlich answered? Why did they target jews, westerners? This wasn't random. That is obvious to most.

But, why target jews? In a country with 1 billion people, 10 million is 1 percent. 10 thousand is 0.001 percent.

When are we going to stop paying respects and oil tax to regimes that claim that linking islam with terrorism is wrong, and start addressing the unfortunate fact that islam is generating many terrorists?

Much activity at Taj right now on IBN

Gun battle still continues at Taj's first floor.

Commandos may have been waiting for first light.

I suspect they are flash banging every room before they enter.

The Islamic Republic of Stackapanies seems to be in deep doo-doo now. With this latest assault in Mumbai they have managed to piss off most of the entire civilized world, once again. They cannot control their Allah Gangbangers, they allow their Intelligence Services to coordinate with them, they won’t bring the “tribal” areas under authority, they can’t find bin Laden, they probably get their cut of the opium trade that constitutes 90% of Afghanistan’s economy, and praise A.Q. Khan as a “national hero”. Yeah, hello.

This is how Islam and those that promote it are going to give the rest of the world a “warm and fuzzy” about how wonderful, merciful, generous, and credible their political/religious agenda should be to the rest of the world?

It reminds me of a story that my late Grandmother used to tell: “Once upon a time, the Sun and the Wind were in a battle about which one was the strongest. The Wind found a little girl walking home from school in the winter with her coat on. The Wind bragged to the Sun that he could get the coat off the little girl. He blew out the coldest, strongest wind he could, but all the little girl did was to wrap her coat tighter around her. Then it was the Sun’s turn. The Sun shined his warmest rays upon the little girl, and eventually, the little girl removed her coat." You figure out the moral.

Thanks for listening to Grandma’s tales and have a nice day. My thoughts and grief go out tonight for all those who lost their lives, were wounded and suffered at the hands of Allah’s Gangbangers.

The on scene reporter finally seems to have come to his senses and moved out of the battle zone.

Heavy fire, two types.

NDTV : sources says it may take another several hours

Ruh-roh... What's with all the deleted posts. :-0

Black smoke coming out of a Taj window.

Charles,
Logged in just to ask: why is the "new comments" button greyed-out?

Firefight

re: #165 kranky.one

Why are British citizens, born in the UK, going overseas to commit homicide in the name of islam? This isn't sudden jihad syndrome. There is something more nefarious going on.

The Muslim enclaves in Britain are a jihadi recruiter's wet dream, a real breeding ground.

Thick black smoke coming out one side

Everyone's on the deck while reporting now.

re: #173 poopeedoo

Ruh-roh... What's with all the deleted posts. :-0

a totally assinine "suggestion"

re: #178 Thanos

Smoke grenades?

re: #177 Rancher

The Muslim enclaves in Britain are a jihadi recruiter's wet dream, a real breeding ground.

BUTCHERS OF MUMBAI ARE BRITS

re: #181 transient

Smoke grenades?

Could be, but I don't see the sense of that inside?

re: #181 transient

Smoke grenades?

Blazes

The smoke is steady streaming, I suspect something's on fire again

re: #183 Thanos

Could be, but I don't see the sense of that inside?

blinds and chokes the bad guys, while the good guys enter in oxygen masks and night vision goggles

re: #181 transient

Smoke grenades?

I doubt that's from a smoke grenade. That black smoke suggest that something is burning inside. Of couse, I could be wrong.

The radical juggernaut is on the move . And where are the cries of " disapproval and condemnation ?

Wake up America , our turn is coming .

re: #183 Thanos

Could be, but I don't see the sense of that inside?

Concealment to hide advancing forces maybe.

re: #182 Flying Dutchman

BUTCHERS OF MUMBAI ARE BRITS

England has a small medium large REALLY BIG problem.

re: #189 Rancher

Concealment to hide advancing forces maybe.

That's a thought, it could be the terrorists using smoke or setting fires

Question:
Who so little coverage of the attck on the Maternity Wards at the 4th and 5th floor of the hospital?

The terrorist duo, while continuing to fire indiscriminately, went up to the fourth and fifth floors, which house the maternity ward at the five-storey hospital.
One of the two maternity wards was locked from the inside while the terrorists tried to break into another which had been fastened by the women occupying it using a cloth.
Twenty-five women, along with their newborn babies and three other men locked themselves inside a safety room within the maternity ward, refusing to open despite several threats by the terrorists.

[Link: www.hindustantimes.com...]

What kind of people attck little newborn babites and their mothers?
Only the kind who consider all but Muslim babies not ''innocent.''
Only the kind who want to kill or subdue all non-muslims.
So horrific a thought that the media doesn't even interview the survivors.

Someone came out of a 1st floor window at the Taj.

Twitter saying a body was thrown out of the window.
[Link: search.twitter.com...]

bbl got to run to the post office.

re: #175 Taqiyyotomist

Exited Firefox, reloaded LGF. New comments button is functional. It went non-functional when I loaded the YouTube Stratofortress vid in a new tab, then closed that tab.

Just hope it's not the terrorists throwing grenades or setting off explosives.

Let's hope they won't burn this building to the ground

re: #193 mean Gene

Question:
Who so little coverage of the attck on the Maternity Wards at the 4th and 5th floor of the hospital?

[Link: www.hindustantimes.com...]

What kind of people attck little newborn babites and their mothers?
Only the kind who consider all but Muslim babies not ''innocent.''
Only the kind who want to kill or subdue all non-muslims.
So horrific a thought that the media doesn't even interview the survivors.

First time I heard this. That's why I come here.

Someone said this took "money , planning and training " ...not so , no more than another other act of barbarism . Sane and civilized people will ALWAYS underestimate the barbarian .
Suicidal serial killers need not be smart , for their victims are unsuspecting and unarmed .
They aredriven by an ideology that gives license to such heinous acts , they actually die inthe belief that they are right .

Now a fire on the ground floor of the Taj.

Fire in the ground floor coffee shop

What is Chairman Zero doing about this?

I think we'll have to change the name from the War on Terror to the War of Centuries. This is not going to end anytime soon.

re: #200 Cutty Sark

Someone said this took "money , planning and training " ...not so , no more than another other act of barbarism . Sane and civilized people will ALWAYS underestimate the barbarian .
Suicidal serial killers need not be smart , for their victims are unsuspecting and unarmed .
They aredriven by an ideology that gives license to such heinous acts , they actually die inthe belief that they are right .

You might wish to do a bit more reading on this. 6 mos + in planning and mega bucks just for weapons let alone logistics for 20 - 60 persons.

re: #203 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What is Chairman Zero doing about this?

1st, I don't want him to "DO" anything about this. He's not the President for another 2 months

2nd. if he is doing anything, I hope he's watching and learning from both the Indian authorities as well as President Bush

The Terrorists still have ammunition, my money says some was cached in advance, or they actually overan army positions and captured weps and ammo.

Man, I worry about the two people on IBN that look like they're out in the open like that.

Smoke getting thicker on the 2nd floor, you could see the fire in one shot the had of the ground floor.

I've been refraining from commenting on the whole Mumbai mess. I like to be able to post every so often at LGF, and all I would have to say on the matter is quite likely to result in my immediate banning. Suffice it to say...
Ah nevermind.

re: #193 mean Gene

Why so little coverage of the attack on the Maternity Wards at the 4th and 5th floor of the hospital?

Because the M*F*M absolutely want to keep Americans in the dark about what Satanicer, Islamic teaching considers good and right. That's why so little coverage. Don't expect more. Why so little coverage regarding all the mass graves found over the last few years in Iraq? SAME REASON.

I can't believe it's 58 hours later and they're still having gun battles. This is a mf'n war.

re: #208 commadore183

Man, I worry about the two people on IBN that look like they're out in the open like that.

Smoke getting thicker on the 2nd floor, you could see the fire in one shot the had of the ground floor.

Not even wearing body-armor

"75 Rancher 11/28/08 5:19:30 pm
re: #8 Last Mohican
I.e. why were the Muslims holding all those hostages, rather than just killing everyone immediately?
They were talking to the media with the usual outrageous demands.
We want all Mujahideens held in India released and only after that we will release the people."

If the MFM and Democrat party hacks had not subverted the country, then everyone would now understand that we're at war, with our freedom and even survival at stake. Better late than never. If The One will lead, then we can all understand that every citizen is a soldier. Never talk to these savages. They kill for pleasure and glory. So, as a hostage, my thought would be to find courage for this: Let us die with the Philistines.

WTF up with the SUV casually driving by !?!?!

Steady fire, but aimed shots now.

Poor dog caught in the middle, help that dog !

Sounds like cover fire.

re: #208 commadore183

Man, I worry about the two people on IBN that look like they're out in the open like that.

And they were repositioned. They were closer about 20 min ago. They said they were told to stay down.

re: #217 Thanos

Sounds like cover fire.

Don't know for sure, and I guess it depends on training, but I would assume terrorist fire would be less controlled. Most of what we've heard thus far has been very controlled fire.

Dog - get the hell out of there!

Fire on the ground floor is getting worse.

re: #214 sattv4u2

WTF up with the SUV casually driving by !?!?!

This is where your Garmin does NOT come in handy. Doesn't account for traffic, and doesn't account for war zones.

I'm guessing the Taj is pretty much gutted by now.

The whole thing is gonna burn to the ground

re: #222 gclaghorn

This is where your Garmin does NOT come in handy. Doesn't account for traffic, and doesn't account for war zones.

"Ethel, trust me. The GPS says this is the shortest way! "

This is truly surreal.

damn, that fire is getting bad

Semi-OT, but not really:
I wonder about the names. Who exactly pushed for the creation of the Federal Dept of Education? I'm pretty sure that it only existed after 1971 or so. Were the people who pushed and formed this abomination communists? Were they in the same group with Ayers? Were they associated with Saul Alinsky? An accurate history with names would be a start. Whoever did it is, IMO, guilty of heinous crime. As Bill Bennet said, I paraphrase, "If what was done to the USA's education system had been done by a foreign power, it would be tantamount to an act of war." I fully agree, and I wish we could try and prosecute those who did it. I'm sure they're all still alive and have tenure.
Damn them.

re: #227 Cattt

This is truly surreal.

War zones usually are.

re: #224 Cattt

I'm guessing the Taj is pretty much gutted by now.

I could just weep seeing all of the history potentially being destroyed :( And I imagine the fire crews are just in anguish seeing the fire and not able to do anything about it while the gunfire is still going on.

re: #224 Cattt

I'm guessing the Taj is pretty much gutted by now.

It's really sad. It was one of the pinnacles of Indian history, being over 100 years old.

This was on Wikipedia though:

The Tata group, which owns the hotel, has declared that it is committed to rebuilding the hotel and restoring it to its original condition.[4]

re: #225 Flying Dutchman

The whole thing is gonna burn to the ground

I'm thinking the insides will be pretty trashed, but the outside may remain standing. Old, stone, solid.

Can someone please re-point me to the best live coverage link?

re: #234 Taqiyyotomist

Can someone please re-point me to the best live coverage link?

[Link: ibnlive.in.com...]

theres one of them

re: #229 Taqiyyotomist

The nationwide high-school debate topic for 1973 was "should education be state or federally funded"

re: #234 Taqiyyotomist

Can someone please re-point me to the best live coverage link?

I'm using this: [Link: www.in.com...]

re: #226 sattv4u2

"Ethel, trust me. The GPS says this is the shortest way! "

"[In Barbara Walter's voice] Turn. Left. Into. War. Zone. In. 2. Point. 3. Miles."

re: #233 Cattt

I'm thinking the insides will be pretty trashed, but the outside may remain standing. Old, stone, solid.

If tit burns to the ground the bad guy's will roast

re: #235 sattv4u2

Yikes! You're quick. Thanks.

The only time I tried Kashmir was when I ran out Black Afghani Gold Seal.
Ah yes Fond memories of about 20 years ago! Who woulda thunk Id grow up and despise Afghani and the hard to get Kashmir.

Look for the "Saudi link " in all of this ...our freinds ...the Saudis .

As for India , remember why a mountain range there is called " Hindu Kush " .

Does anyone find it counterintuitive to have a hotel named after a mausoleum?

re: #234 Taqiyyotomist

Can someone please re-point me to the best live coverage link?

For me the most "stable" is NDTV

Fire crews now racing towards the blaze.

re: #230 Bobibutu

War zones usually are.

It's more than that. It's a 24/7 TV show in the middle of a city square with hundreds of people reporting, dogs wandering around, and cars driving by, with I am assuming terrorists inside, and with a landmark burning down, piece by piece.

Are there any police or military in the building? Seems to me anyone in there is going to be toast.

Must be incredibly frustrating for the fire crews.

Firefighters rushing in now

re: #239 Flying Dutchman

If tit burns to the ground the bad guy's will roast

you turning this into a boob thread ?

re: #249 sattv4u2

you turning this into a boob thread ?

Typing too fast... sorry ;-)

re: #233 Cattt

I'm thinking the insides will be pretty trashed, but the outside may remain standing. Old, stone, solid.

But apparently a lot of antique furniture etc. inside.
Still and all, less important than the lives of the soldiers.

That Hotel probably will take a full year to re-open.

re: #245 Flying Dutchman

Thanks as well. I've got the in.com link going right now, seems pretty stable. The other night I was watching NDTV through fox's website.

Everyone is rushing in now, Looks like it's over

re: #239 Flying Dutchman

If tit burns to the ground the bad guy's will roast

I am wondering if they are already toast - I am thinking booby traps and incendiary devices were set throughout the building. Two of the terrorists were guests in the hotel, and two others had jobs there. They had lots of time to fiddle about.

re: #242 Cutty Sark

Cutty ... [Link: www.honoluluadvertiser.com...]

Good background.

re: #255 Cattt

I am wondering if they are already toast - I am thinking booby traps and incendiary devices were set throughout the building. Two of the terrorists were guests in the hotel, and two others had jobs there. They had lots of time to fiddle about.

Boob thread!

re: #251 transient

But apparently a lot of antique furniture etc. inside.
Still and all, less important than the lives of the soldiers.

Oh, yeah. A building is just a building. A new building can go up. People are irreplaceable.

re: #247 Cattt

It's more than that. It's a 24/7 TV show in the middle of a city square with hundreds of people reporting, dogs wandering around, and cars driving by, with I am assuming terrorists inside, and with a landmark burning down, piece by piece.

Are there any police or military in the building? Seems to me anyone in there is going to be toast.

Must be incredibly frustrating for the fire crews.

The counterterror forces have been moving through the building. Unknown whether there are (live) hostages inside.

You'd think the police would have cordoned off the roads around the hotel. There shouldn't be traffic.

Whats going on at the Trident Hotel. Does the Gum Company own that?

;-0

re: #257 gclaghorn

Boob thread!

Darn. I wish they called them dick traps or weeny traps. /:D

You can rightclick on the in.com player, and select "Zoom" and then "FullScreen". FYI for those who don't like the media player in a tiny window.

ammo cooking off, or more traps? Firefighters backed off

re: #260 ColdPizza

Whats going on at the Trident Hotel. Does the Gum Company own that?

;-0

I can't tell. CNN is only reporting on the Orbit and Stride hotels now.

Watching the fire on IBN now... the Indian commandos have been amazing.

re: #261 Cattt

Darn. I wish they called them dick traps or weeny traps. /:D

Yes! Who was the sexist who came up with "booby traps"? A man's traps are just as good as a woman's.

Heavy smoke, high flames fire spread fast, like maybe there were accelerants?

Fact! Whats happening now the last Terrorist is Dead and the remaining ammo in his Sears nap sack is exploding?

Ha. Expert just backed up my thought on the booby traps.

re: #248 Thanos

Thanos, is the ammo caches igniting? Is that RDX explosive with heat/fire?