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I'm just so angry about this Mumbai terror attack that I am beyond words.

It's like 9/11 all over again, emotion-wise.

Steam is coming out of my ears.

Agreed Zomb. Agreed.

re: #2 zombie

That is intentional.

I can only hope that India gives a disproportionate response.

re: #2 zombie

I'm just so angry about this Mumbai terror attack that I am beyond words.

It's like 9/11 all over again, emotion-wise.

i am on skype with the fiancee. They are still numb.

Happy birthday to the orphan of the murdered couple.

Adding to my anger is seeing some of today's newspapers -- nary a word of this story on the front page of some of them.

By covering up the crime, they become accomplices.

All words are worth-less in a situation like Mumbai. What can you say?

re: #2 zombie

I'm just so angry about this Mumbai terror attack that I am beyond words.

It's like 9/11 all over again, emotion-wise.

Exactly my emotions as well.

re: #10 ggt

Infinite Justice.

re: #2 zombie

I'm just so angry about this Mumbai terror attack that I am beyond words.

It's like 9/11 all over again, emotion-wise.

Zom - baby - Sh*t happens. AND WILL CONTINUE TO ... mellow out and do what you do best.

What could you have done to prevent it?

(besides not voting for Pelosi? or Reid, or Frank - etc.)

If your strength is small, don’t carry heavy burdens. If your words are worthless, don’t give advice.

Chinese proverb or 0bama commentary?

This got somewhat lost near the end of the last thread, and I kinda want to vent some more.

Watching the news and confusion coming out of Mumbai over the past few days has made me really glad to live in America in times like these. We must always remember that the world is, in general, a really crappy place to be, and the safety afforded to us by our US citizenship ought to be held in the highest regard. America has for generations stood as a shelter of freedom and liberty throughout storms of totalitarianism, ranging from fascism to communism. Despite the current fiscal hardships, our economy is by far the most advanced in the world. Despite the hardships we face in Iraq and Afghanistan, our military is by far the most advanced and powerful in the world. Despite what the Daily Kos has to say about the PATRIOT Act, the United States of America has the most effective balance of government power, individual liberties, and self-rule in the world.

As you can see, we've got a lot to protect. The primary emerging suspect in the horrific attacks on Mumbai is a conglomeration of terrorist groups, with possible Qaeda movement. It's not so much the brutality of their attack which should scare you, as anybody can perpetrate a brutality, but rather their coordination. According to Fox, approximately sixty (60) terrorists came ashore in inflatable boats and then proceeded to attack a police station and stole the police uniforms. They then spread out to multiple targets throughout the city and began their attack. The fact that gunmen in the Oberoi hotel were still fighting a couple of hours ago is a testament to the planning that went into this sickening operation.

It is clear that the world faces a very serious terrorist threat. However, no number of dead terrorists can soothe the issue. We must fire on all cylinders to defeat the terrorist threat, both physically and ideologically. Our armed forces must splatter the suicide bomber and hand a lollipop to the kid behind him. Any examination of the ideology of radical Islam will reveal that it is not so much a religious sect as it is a political movement. The literal translation of Islam is "submit". The political Islamist movement values submission to a higher power over the sin of self-determination. Everything we do in our lives as Americans requires self-determination, whether it be walking the dog or casting a vote. The tenets of the Islamist political movement are inimical to freedom and liberty. In order that I may proceed, I ought to make a distinction between "Islamic" and "Islamist". The first is a reference to the religion, and the second is a reference to the political movement. The former is innocuous, if it does have a bad habit of turning a blind eye to the latter. The latter, however, must be stopped entirely. Richard Watson wrote a very interesting article for Granta from which I deduced that the Islamist political movement absolutely cannot be stopped by appeasement, as the ultimate endgame as demanded by the Islamist concept of jihad is the establishment of a global Islamist state governed by Shari'ah. THAT means the elimination of self-determination, which is absolutely to everything we hold dear in the United States as well as across the globe.

Zombie, I feel the same way. I think about the two Chabad families here and it breaks my heart to know exactly what kind of people they were, and also to know what kind of monsters their murderers were, and finally to know that there is equivocation all around such that we are not permitted in supposedly polite society to distinguish between the two. One of the major Japan papers today ran an article saying Muslims need more social welfare programs in India. Fine as a separate issue but huh!?

This cannot stand. We cannot tolerate this as a world civilization.

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

Yes.

re: #9 zombie

Adding to my anger is seeing some of today's newspapers -- nary a word of this story on the front page of some of them.

By covering up the crime, they become accomplices.

If they don't report it, it does not exist. That is their mind set.

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

Yes

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

Yes. This is about America's preeminence, but it is also about a Jihad that is 1,300 years old.

re: #17 ggt

The question should be, If this happened first, would obama have been elected?

Though we were promised trouble within six months.

re: #9 zombie

Adding to my anger is seeing some of today's newspapers -- nary a word of this story on the front page of some of them.

By covering up the crime, they become accomplices.

i got a ration of shit wednesday night on a myspace page for bringing up the attacks: "we have stressful j*bs, and come here to escape the troubles of the world..."

/and they have the nerve to claim *my world view* is fucked up...

I hope that the planners and financiers of this atrocity are hunted down like rabid dogs. I also hope all the efforts at misdirection and obfuscation are unfruitful. At this point I don't even care about the hired guns. I want to see the moneymen hung from lamp posts. Don't care if they are Saudi princes, or Pakistan merchants, or heads of "charities".

It is times like these, that we should all remember there is EVIL in this world, and that EVIL needs to be confronted and obliterated with extreme prejudice!

re: #23 Sharmuta

Though we were promised trouble within six months.

And we have it.

re: #18 Sharmuta

saved me the trouble...

re: #5 swamprat

That is intentional.

re: #10 ggt

All words are worth-less in a situation like Mumbai. What can you say?

I'm still having a difficult time visualizing exactly what goes through the minds of there terrorists when planning an attack like this.

"We want to establish a worldwide caliphate. So, we'll kill some infidels now. That will really earn us the world's sympathy, and aid us in our quest to convert everyone." Say what? Not only are their actions beyond evil, they're also irrational and completely counter-productive. Are they just that stupid?

re: #27 Bobibutu

And we have it.

Does it count if it's before his inauguration?

re: #27 Bobibutu

And we have it.

Not yet...

re: #22 Tarkus289

The question should be, If this happened first, would obama have been elected?

yes... you'll note the media coverage is light and delayed.

re: #22 Tarkus289

The question should be, If this happened first, would obama have been elected?

Yes. Obama ran a better campaign and George Bush has been a disaster in terms of projecting any kind of intelligence, even where he actually has it, and projecting even the aspects of his ambitions which were noble.

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

An op like this was in the works for a long time, it was not aimed at foreign interests, but at Indian economic interests. Scare the foreigners off, and cause economic ripples. Who is POTUS had little to do with it.

re: #30 Sharmuta

Does it count if it's before his inauguration?

Yeppers!

re: #30 Sharmuta

Does it count if it's before his inauguration?

why not? he's getting credit for anything good, so why not the bad?

re: #28 redc1c4

What did you put in the fruitcup?

On the bus today, I was talking to a couple, and I asked them where they were from. When they said they were from India, I replied, "I guess you're glad you're here this week."

They looked at me confused, asking, "Why? Is there something special going on in Las Vegas?"

My jaw just dropped. Obviously, they hadn't seen the news, and I told them all about Mumbai and the terrorism. At first, they didn't believe me (would you?), and I told them to ask anyone on the bus, or anywhere else. As soon as several other people verified what I was saying, they became very concerned.

They got off at their hotel, and I imagined they were probably contacting friends and relatives as fast as they could.

Can you imagine being on vacation, not paying attention to the news, and then finding out something like this is happening back home?

re: #37 Sharmuta

What did you put in the fruitcup?

yes.

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

/probably, they're real into well planned, absolutely pointless violence

re: #2 zombie

I'm just so angry about this Mumbai terror attack that I am beyond words.

It's like 9/11 all over again, emotion-wise.

It's like what, did they think they were advancing some overarching strategic objective by causing mayhem and murder for three days and generally disgusting and pissing off the entire civilized world? You'd have to be incredibly perverse to even glean any meaningful or practical tactical point to that operation, as well planned and executed as it was.

/are we going to have to take another country away?

Also, I happened to walk by a mosque today in San Francisco just as it was letting out after Friday prayers. You never saw so many smiles and elated people in your life. They weren't exactly high-fiving each other on the sidewalk, but close; everybody had a big grin and they looked like they were on top of the world.

I can just imagine what the imam said in the sermon.

That only exacerbated my bad mood.

re: #18 Sharmuta

Yes.

Possibly, but why the supposition?

34 jcm
11/28/08 11:20:39 pm reply quote 0

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

An op like this was in the works for a long time, it was not aimed at foreign interests, but at Indian economic interests. Scare the foreigners off, and cause economic ripples. Who is POTUS had little to do with it

Ironically, I saw a promotional ad on tv for Indian tourism the night before the attack. Sad beyond words...

re: #42 zombie

Also, I happened to walk by a mosque today in San Francisco just as it was letting out after Friday prayers. You never saw so many smiles and elated people in your life. They weren't exactly high-fiving each other on the sidewalk, but close; everybody had a big grin and they looked like they were on top of the world.

I can just imagine what the imam said in the sermon.

That only exacerbated my bad mood.

I can't imagine the mentality that would take pleasure in that carnage.

re: #38 gmsc

I can kind of imagine. I was off camping one weekend, got home, went to bed. The next morning I was watching the news and it was all Hurricane Andrew and I was all "WTH?".

But that pales in comparison to this. I sure hope their friends and loved ones are all alright.

re: #41 Killian Bundy

Hey! Lets lose two more countries! No, I am kidding, this'll work this time. It worked on Spain, let's give it a shot!

brilliant

Fun Boy Three - The Lunatics (have taken over the Asylum)

re: #42 zombie

Also, I happened to walk by a mosque today in San Francisco just as it was letting out after Friday prayers. You never saw so many smiles and elated people in your life. They weren't exactly high-fiving each other on the sidewalk, but close; everybody had a big grin and they looked like they were on top of the world.

I can just imagine what the imam said in the sermon.

That only exacerbated my bad mood.

I don't want to know what the fool could have said. All I know is that it was probably not worth listening to.

This one.

Looks like it's over in Mumbai.

By Friday, the casualty toll from the attacks had reached 160 dead and 327 wounded, officials said. The death toll was expected to rise.

re: #42 zombie

Also, I happened to walk by a mosque today in San Francisco just as it was letting out after Friday prayers. You never saw so many smiles and elated people in your life. They weren't exactly high-fiving each other on the sidewalk, but close; everybody had a big grin and they looked like they were on top of the world.

I can just imagine what the imam said in the sermon.

That only exacerbated my bad mood.

a couple of things come to mind as a reaction, but i don't feel any pressing need to have a short, one sided, conversation with Stinky. %-)

re: #29 zombie

Short-term thinkers.

It's more like how some people think when they get their weekly paycheck. wow, I can buy, this and this and this. Then wonder why the electricity got turned off.

Or, why so many people sign financing papers for car's they can't possibly afford, then get p!ssed-off and try to report the repo agent to the police for stealing their car.

I call it stupid, but mostly I think it is immaturity and weakness.

re: #51 jcm

Looks like it's over in Mumbai.

It wont be until the planners and financiers are made to pay for the atrocity.

re: #29 zombie

I'm still having a difficult time visualizing exactly what goes through the minds of there terrorists when planning an attack like this.

"We want to establish a worldwide caliphate. So, we'll kill some infidels now. That will really earn us the world's sympathy, and aid us in our quest to convert everyone." Say what? Not only are their actions beyond evil, they're also irrational and completely counter-productive. Are they just that stupid?

Terror works. At least for now. OBL didn't believe we had the stones for a protracted fight, Obama's election confirms that world view, to them. The "defeated" Spain. And the rhetoric out of Europe is one of accommodation.

Any reaction other than a massive retaliation, with long term follow up, including down the hunting of all supporters and financiers is regarded as weakness on our part.

re: #51 jcm

Looks like it's over in Mumbai.

And a disturbing number of Muslims worldwide are as happy as clams (whatever on earth that cliché is supposed to mean) tonight.

/do they actually want a war on Islam which they can't possibly win?

re: #54 shanec99

It wont be until the planners and financiers are made to pay for the atrocity.

The fallout is too come. Especially if India points the finger at Pakistan.

Tactically on the ground in Mumbai, it's over.

re: #50 zombie

This one.

That's not too far from my old apartment, corner of Bush and Leavenworth.

Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors

Black Friday took a grim turn when a New York Wal-Mart employee died after bargain hunters broke down the doors to the store, pushing him to the ground.

The 34-year-old male employee was pronounced dead an hour after shoppers breached the doors to the shopping center in Valley Stream, Long Island, about 5 a.m. Friday and knocked him down, police said.

"He was bum-rushed by 200 people," Jimmy Overby, the man's 43-year-old co-worker, told the New York Daily News. "They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too ... I literally had to fight people off my back."

A 28-year-old pregnant woman was also taken in for observation and three other shoppers suffered minor injuries during the incident, police said. The pregnant woman and the unborn baby were reported to be OK, said Sgt. Anthony Repalone, a Nassau County police spokesman.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark., closed the store in Valley Stream for several hours after the stampede. It reopened shortly after 1 p.m.

re: #56 Killian Bundy

And a disturbing number of Muslims worldwide are as happy as clams (whatever on earth that cliché is supposed to mean) tonight.

/do they actually want a war on Islam which they can't possibly win?

Inshallah. Allah wills all infidels convert. Win an losing is not a part of the equation in their heads.

re: #50 zombie

This one.

Ain't technology grand?

re: #59 gmsc

Wal-Mart Worker Dies When Shoppers Break Down Doors

Sickness, a dead sickness where bargains are more important than civility or a human life.

I am thankful for something we're not seeing. One of the weirdest, most perceptually jarring things about the economic crisis is that everything looks the same. We are told every day and in every news venue that we are in Great Depression II, that we are in a crisis, a cataclysm, a meltdown, the credit crunch from hell, that we will lose millions of jobs, and that the great abundance is over and may never return. Three great investment banks have fallen while a fourth totters, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average has fallen 31% in six months. And yet when you free yourself from media and go outside for a walk, everything looks . . . the same.

Peggy Noonan on the Great Depression
I like her common sense perspective.

re: #59 gmsc
Good grief... and for what?... to get a few cheaply manufactured drawers from China?

re: #62 jcm

Sickness, a dead sickness where bargains are more important than civility or a human life.

Now THAT is true.

I found out about this news story on one board where the discussion quickly turned to this being proof of the evils of Wal-Mart, then the evils of capitalism as a whole. (Rolling eyes)

9 rawmuse 11/28/08 11:17:44 pm
re: #9 zombie

Adding to my anger is seeing some of today's newspapers -- nary a word of this story on the front page of some of them.

By covering up the crime, they become accomplices.

If they don't report it, it does not exist. That is their mind set."

They are desperate, deluded, clinging to false hope and empty rhetoric. The gatekeepers of information and analysis do not have the proper vocabulary to bring insight or power to their coverage. The proper vocabulary is grounded in reality, not in the world as we wish it to be. The reporter is no better than the values and education that he or she has received. Our gatekeepers are inadequate to these events, they fear truth and must resort to rationalizing, projection, repression, the entire arsenal of denial. Can they talk at all about evil? They don't believe evil exists. In other times, people believed in evil as a metaphysical darkness of heart; or, theologically, as an absence of good. The Century of Blood taught that evil is as common as head-lice. Our century is teaching us that evil is the axiomatic consequence of laziness, cowardice and lies.

re: #24 redc1c4

i got a ration of shit wednesday night on a myspace page for bringing up the attacks: "we have stressful j*bs, and come here to escape the troubles of the world..."

/and they have the nerve to claim *my world view* is fucked up...

Were they generation X Y or Z? They're inheriting this world so they had better start paying attention!

re: #63 Mel Lono

Peggy Noonan on the Great Depression
I like her common sense perspective.

I don't know. I've seen numerous people standing in long lines just for Blackberries and Apples.
;)

re: #65 gmsc

Now THAT is true.

I found out about this news story on one board where the discussion quickly turned to this being proof of the evils of Wal-Mart, then the evils of capitalism as a whole. (Rolling eyes)

This kind of behavior is just right up there with English football hooligans. It comes from misplaced priorities.

It late, so I'm outta' here.

A snap shot of Mt. Rainier taken on the way to Grandma's Thanksgiving day.

Night all.

re: #42 zombie

"Also, I happened to walk by a mosque today in San Francisco just as it was letting out after Friday prayers. You never saw so many smiles and elated people in your life. They weren't exactly high-fiving each other on the sidewalk, but close; everybody had a big grin and they looked like they were on top of the world."

You wondered earlier, zombie about what was going through the terrorist's mind as he/they attacked. I think something similar to what describe in the above post about the mosque after prayers. Elation. We all saw the grinning young murderer, poster-boy for jihad. I think they felt important, superior, powerful, justified.

They will rue the day. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but soon and for the rest their history upon the earth. They will crawl with shame, they will be defeated utterly.

re: #67 Smilla

Were they generation X Y or Z? They're inheriting this world so they had better start paying attention!

all of the above, plus boomers... crack heads one and all.

they were complaining about traffic on the 405, and i pointed out that the jam was caused by someone being killed.

that post got deleted.

I battle-shopped at Chinamart this morning..first and last time..me thinks somebody needed to lower gas to < $2 to get paid for the BS we buy during black friday. I wonder if anyone could put a pencil to the numbers and see how much this madness actually goes to Americans.

re: #71 joan

They will rue the day. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but soon and for the rest their history upon the earth. They will crawl with shame, they will be defeated utterly.

it would be an interesting experiment, had we the technology, to gather up all the Muslims and transport them to another planet, earth like of course, and set them free to live as their so called religion dictates, without our terrible influence and sinful Western ways...

wonder how long they'd last?

re: #24 redc1c4

i got a ration of shit wednesday night on a myspace page for bringing up the attacks: "we have stressful j*bs, and come here to escape the troubles of the world..."

/and they have the nerve to claim *my world view* is fucked up...

They will grow up eventually... patience my friend, a personal encounter on the business end of a poor outcome with a violence has a way of helping an aging, petulant and perpetual adolescent to re-examine his ideas.

well, Lizards, it's been grand as usual.

weet dreams.

re: #73 Bozman

I battle-shopped at Chinamart this morning..first and last time..me thinks somebody needed to lower gas to < $2 to get paid for the BS we buy during black friday. I wonder if anyone could put a pencil to the numbers and see how much this madness actually goes to Americans.

we went shopping this afternoon...

bought one item for ~$20 and came home.

news shows tonight were trying to convince everyone that everyone was out shopping... i don't buy it.

re: #74 redc1c4

not very long. One thing I figured out a while back.

Capitalism is always operating.

Legally, or illegally.

re: #74 redc1c4
Umm..put me down for the planet of westerners without them

re: #70 jcm

It late, so I'm outta' here.

A snap shot of Mt. Rainier taken on the way to Grandma's Thanksgiving day.

Night all.

better hope you're not around if Rainier ever decides to erupt.

buhbye Seattle

re: #79 Bozman

Umm..put me down for the planet of westerners without them

i figured we'd just stay here... except those who ventured out to explore and expand.

re: #79 Bozman

Umm..put me down for the planet of westerners without them

Some Westerners are just as loony... ever heard of old Adolph or his pal Benito? We could even talk about David Duke or Tim McVeigh.

re: #81 redc1c4 Ever been to Alaska? Not a lot of room for people who don't get it..

re: #82 shanec99

Some Westerners are just as loony... ever heard of old Adolph or his pal Benito? We could even talk about David Duke or Tim McVeigh.

and we've always had a fix for that sort of problem.

re: #71 joan

Will it ever become necessary in this country to ackowledge that Islam itself is the problem? The peaceful Muslims in America keep their heads down and speak as little as possible.They do not condemn terrorism they just defend their religion. I am not advocating pogroms but just to be realistic about the enemy.

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

Good Lord, yes. Something like this has been in the works for months.

re: #74 redc1c4

it would be an interesting experiment, had we the technology, to gather up all the Muslims and transport them to another planet, earth like of course, and set them free to live as their so called religion dictates, without our terrible influence and sinful Western ways...

wonder how long they'd last?

About six months.

re: #83 Bozman

Ever been to Alaska? Not a lot of room for people who don't get it..

kinda cold for my taste, and it gets dark a lot...

there was some moonbat a few years back who went out into the AK wilderness, to "experience" the wilderness. it killed him. totally unprepared, totally clueless, he starved to death.

re: #82 shanec99 Clint Eastwood, John Wayne and Roy Rogers...YIPPEE CAYAA!

re: #85 fiat_lux

Will it ever become necessary in this country to ackowledge that Islam itself is the problem?

My thoughts here.

re: #74 redc1c4

it would be an interesting experiment, had we the technology, to gather up all the Muslims and transport them to another planet, earth like of course, and set them free to live as their so called religion dictates, without our terrible influence and sinful Western ways...

wonder how long they'd last?

Perhaps until the only animals left to feed them was pork. Ever notice that the nations least capable of feeding themselves are Islamic... is this a cause and effect relationship or mere coincidence?

re: #87 Macker

About six months.

Nah, they'd still have knowledge that non-Muslims exist in the universe, and they'd have to find a way off the planet and destroy non-Muslims.

re: #90 Anthony (Los Angeles)

I just read it. I love honesty, I hate PC. If I were an Imam you you would be rooming with Salman Rushdie.

re: #17 ggt

If McCain had been elected, would this have happened?

Yes, I think so.

If this had happened a month ago, would McCain have been elected?

On the good news front (yes, good news still exists):

Efforts to support global climate-change falls: Poll

PARIS - There is both growing public reluctance to make personal sacrifices and a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the major international efforts now underway to battle climate change, according to findings of a poll of 12,000 citizens in 11 countries, including Canada.

Results of the poll were released this week in advance of the start of a major international conference in Poland where delegates are considering steps toward a new international climate-change treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

re: #88 redc1c4
Hense the need to reliy on others, not just someone who believes in you god. Right now it's probably around 15 degrees farenhieght. If your out in that without help or people that may believe something else (god Forbid there are no Muslim Eskimos) your toast before sun-up. Fortunately in my time I could go to anyones house and ask for help..door unlocked..Remember those days? Man.

re: #94 Last Mohican

Yes, I think so.

If this had happened a month ago, would McCain have been elected?

no. notice the media is downplaying the coverage...

"nothing to see here people, move along to the mall."

re: #92 gmsc

Nah, they'd still have knowledge that non-Muslims exist in the universe, and they'd have to find a way off the planet and destroy non-Muslims.

Muslims develop technology to travel?
Are you kidding me?
If it involved an intellectual or academic persuit it probably would not come from an Islamic nation. Think about it, how many Islamic nations have produced a Nobel Prize winner?

re: #98 shanec99

Muslims develop technology to travel?
Are you kidding me?
If it involved an intellectual or academic persuit it probably would not come from an Islamic nation. Think about it, how many Islamic nations have produced a Nobel Prize winner?

Develop technology? No. Shoot down and/or hijack a passing spaceship? Yes.

re: #98 shanec99 Didn't Yasser Arafa..I mean Jimma win a NPP?

Mumbai police: Last Taj hotel jihadists killed

Not all news organizations are ready to declare the siege over at this point. "Taj operation over with all militants dead, police say," from France 24, November 29:

Indian commandos on Saturday killed the last Islamic militants holed up inside Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel, ending the more than two-day assault on India's financial capital, the city's police chief said.

"All (combat) operations are over. All the terrorists have been killed," Mumbai police commissioner Hassan Gafoor said, 59 hours after the attacks began.

Extremely heavy gunfire had been heard from inside the hotel at dawn Saturday, with a major blaze also breaking out as Indian commandos fought to clear the building of Islamic militants, an AFP correspondent said.

Massive flames in the ground floor and first floor of the hotel appeared to be spreading rapidly though the building, the last area in Mumbai where gunmen were still holed up more than 58 hours after coordinated attacks rocked the city.

Firefighters rushed to the historic hotel, a large part of which was obscured by a huge cloud of smoke.

Military sources had earlier said that commandos were fighting up to three heavily armed militants left inside the hotel.

On Friday, Indian security forces launched massive assaults on Mumbai’s Chabab Jewish centre as well as the Taj and Oberoi hotels on Friday to hunt down the remaining terrorists responsible for a deadly two-day hostage drama in India’s economic capital.

At least 155 people – including two French nationals and two US citizens – were killed and about 370 others wounded in a series of coordinated attacks across the city.

At the city’s landmark Taj Mahal Palace hotel, FRANCE 24’s Lise Thomas-Richard said the fighting had been intense during the peak of the operation. “We are reaching the final stages of the operation on the Taj Mahal hotel,” said Thomas-Richard. “I hear explosions or shooting every two minutes.”

Earlier, police found explosives capable of causing "major damage" after regaining control most of the Taj Mahal hotel from armed militants, a senior police official said Friday.

Commandos exited the luxury hotel shortly after the assault and were greeted by a cheering crowd, but fighting soon resumed inside the building.

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

Now that the Christmas shopping season has officially begun, Nice Deb answers the question we all have: Where can I find a round up of all the latest and creepiest 0bama products?

re: #72 redc1c4

I've noticed that too. Anything that disturbs their little world brings out the self-pity. They are completely oblivious to other people's pain. Their priorities are completely upside down. And you're right, that goes for the obnoxious, over-opinionated baby boomers too.

re: #102 gmsc Apparently you don't have to be dead to get you likeness on a coin around here anymore

Video: Mumbai Muslim Terrorists Tell Media: "Stop Hating Us"

Indian government sources: Seven Mumbai jihadists from the U.K.

An update on this story. "Seven Mumbai gunmen are from 'Leeds and Hartlepool'," from the Mirror, November 28:

Seven of the terrorists who brought carnage to Mumbai are British, Indian government sources claimed yesterday.

They said two British-born Pakistanis are under arrest. And another five suspects are said to have been born and raised here.

Two of the seven are from Leeds, one is from Bradford and one from Hartlepool, the sources claimed. All are aged between 20 and 26.

The claims were made as the death toll in Mumbai reached 155 – with predictions it could go as high as 200.

The Hartlepool suspect was allegedly found in the five-star Taj Mahal Palace hotel, scene of some of the most horrific killings. The man from Bradford and one from Leeds were allegedly discovered on the 17th floor of the Oberoi-Trident Hotel.

A second man from Leeds was allegedly captured near a jetty after a gang of around 25 terrorists landed in Mumbai by boat on Wednesday.

The suspects were allegedly found with documentation, possibly including passports, which revealed their origin.

The sources say they also spoke to each other in a heavily-accented Punjabi common in UK Pakistani communities. Gordon Brown yesterday urged caution saying it was “premature” to draw any conclusions.

He said Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had not told of him of “any evidence at this stage” that Britons were behind the massacres. [...]

The Foreign Office and MI6 were last night trying to establish the facts amid chaotic scenes in Mumbai as Indian commandos continued operations to flush out the remaining gunmen.

If the terrorists are Britons, the UK security service will have to urgently discover how they slipped through the surveillance net. In the wake of 7/7 London bombings the monitoring of militant and disaffected Muslim groups has been tightened up.

The security services were criticised after 7/7 for not keeping better track of the bombers. Since the early 2000s Britain has had an unwelcome reputation as a haven for Islamic radicals. [...]

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

re: #105 gmsc

Air America will gladly comply to their request. :)

re: #105 gmsc

Nothing Like a little killi'n to make people like you..

re: #104 Bozman

Apparently you don't have to be dead to get you likeness on a coin around here anymore

To be fair, that rule only applies to government-issued currencies.

I wouldn't be surprised to see 0bama's face on the $100 bill after he dies.

/As a replacement for our current quarter.

re: #109 gmsc
Well hell, It had the likeness of JFK stamped in gold on one side. HMMM

re: #103 Smilla

I've noticed that too. Anything that disturbs their little world brings out the self-pity. They are completely oblivious to other people's pain. Their priorities are completely upside down. And you're right, that goes for the obnoxious, over-opinionated baby boomers too.

well, not *all* baby boomers...

(like Dustyvet, for instance. %-)

re: #105 gmsc

Stop atrociticies against Muslims? I am spewing a fine california wine out my nostrils.Sorry for the imagery.

re: #102 gmsc

Now that the Christmas shopping season has officially begun, Nice Deb answers the question we all have: Where can I find a round up of all the latest and creepiest 0bama products?

You Can Own A Piece Of History!

Go see this story here...

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

re: #105 gmsc

Video: Mumbai Muslim Terrorists Tell Media: "Stop Hating Us"

y'all stop being murderous assholes would be a good first step towards achieving that goal, moron.

re: #102 gmsc

I'm pretty sure that Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton be on their own U.S. Mint coin by 2020.

re: #114 redc1c4

y'all stop being murderous assholes would be a good first step towards achieving that goal, moron.

sure will moron, as soon as you and your ilk cease breathing...

re: #115 Fenway_Nation

I'm pretty sure that Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton be on their own U.S. Mint coin by 2020.

riding on matching broomsticks?

It's still to soon to digest that.'pukes up a shot of Patron' thanks FIAT!
I'm sympathy pukin'

re: #116 Dustyvet

sure will moron, as soon as you and your ilk cease breathing...

easier said then done... we're a stubborn lot. %-)

re: #117 redc1c4

riding on matching broomsticks?

Off we go into the wild blue yonder...flying high...!

Image: drink_n_fly.jpg

re: #88 redc1c4

kinda cold for my taste, and it gets dark a lot...

there was some moonbat a few years back who went out into the AK wilderness, to "experience" the wilderness. it killed him. totally unprepared, totally clueless, he starved to death.

Christopher McCandless? That was Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer, also made into a movie. Very intense.

Islam will always be a problem until Jesus returns. I am sorry to say.

How else would you rid the entire planet of terrorists?

The problem is that big.

Sorry about the pessimism here.

re: #119 redc1c4

easier said then done... we're a stubborn lot. %-)

I ment the terrorists...:(

re: #119 redc1c4
"From my cold dead hands...you dirty ape" haha that was classic!

Wonder how many on the left are going to try and use this week's atrocity in Mumbai at the hands of those subhumans to try and impose more gun-control (err...I mean gun safety) on the populace.

Honestly- if you were a subhuman little jihadi wanna-be, which American city would you rather try and pull off a copycat of this week's rampage? Houston or New York?

re: #122 Crux Australis

Islam will always be a problem until Jesus returns.

/not according to Islam

re: #120 Dustyvet

Off we go into the wild blue yonder...flying high...!

[Link: www.funnies.com...]

Image: 14823700_125x125.jpg

re: #121 Silvergirl
Kinda relevant, some dueschebag thought he could be-friend Grizzlie Bears and live among them...guess how that one ended!

re: #125 Fenway_Nation

Liberals only really scream about gun laws if rich white kids shoot something up. When its the 'opressed masses' fighting back against decades of intolerance its more acceptable (in their eyes).

re: #126 Killian Bundy

/not according to Islam

The Muslim "Jesus" is the Antichrist. A Fake

re: #129 middlecon

The 9/11 planners and hijackers came from wealthy/middle class backgrounds and I'm willing to bet that the Britons (of Paki background) who are among those killed [hopefully excruciatingly] or captured [hopefully even more excruciatingly] by the Indian Security forces came from similar economic backgrounds...

re: #121 Silvergirl

Christopher McCandless? That was Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer, also made into a movie. Very intense.

that's the one... lots of education but no common sense.

re: #130 Crux Australis

The Muslim "Jesus" is the Antichrist. A Fake

A fake or a flake?

re: #129 middlecon
Not in my back yard type think, But what about when it saves your ass?
HMMM Declaration of Independence sound like something from the oppressed masses?

re: #131 Fenway_Nation

The 9/11 planners and hijackers came from wealthy/middle class backgrounds and I'm willing to bet that the Britons (of Paki background) who are among those killed [hopefully excruciatingly] or captured [hopefully even more excruciatingly] by the Indian Security forces came from similar economic backgrounds...

Yes BUT they are all opressed muslims you see, worthy of a little 'payback' for being discriminated against by the 'jooos' for so long.

I agree with your premise just echoing some of the things that the loony left really beleive.

re: #113 Dustyvet

You Can Own A Piece Of History!

Go see this story here...

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

My favorite comments there:

"if you drop one and it breaks, it's a hate crime."

"Clinton was the first black president. Obama is the first black Clinton."

"Can they put his likeness on a bunch of clay pidgeons?"

"Isn't this a violation of the 2nd commandment?"

"Scam wow!"

re: #130 Crux Australis

The Muslim "Jesus" is the Antichrist.

No, they're not the same.

/Islam recognizes the Christian Jesus but, by definition, the Christian Jesus can't be the Antichrist

re: #63 Mel Lono

Peggy Noonan on the Great Depression
I like her common sense perspective.

I read her column earlier and one thing in it made me wonder. Apparently she wasn't wondering it, or at least she didn't say so. I'll bold the part I mean.

It is good that 2008 was a seven-point win by someone, and not a 50-50 contest forced into resolution in the courts. Imagine what it would be like now, the general tone and feeling of the country, if at this moment we were arguing over hanging chads and bent ballots. I am thankful that more than half the country is, in at least one area, politics, happy, and that the 46% who voted the other way accepted the outcome as America always has, peacefully and with good-natured resentment. So many are hoping for the best, as if hoping for the best is a function or an expression of patriotism, which to a degree it is.

She says to imagine what the tone of the country would be if it had been 50-50 and we were back into hanging chads, etc. She doesn't ask us to imagine if the 46% who peacefully and with good-natured resentment accepted the outcome, if that 46% were the Obama/Biden voters. How peaceful and good-natured would their resentment be? Just something I was imagining.

well, since we're off to the gun show tomorrow, and leaving in a few hours, it's best if i head over to the fruitcup storage area and then hit the rack...

i'll need all my energy to drool over the various offerings. %-)

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

re: #132 redc1c4

Sounds also like Tim Treadwell, the "grizzly man"

re: #138 Silvergirl

We were guaranteed riots if Obama didn't win, so chances are they wouldn't have taken it very well.

re: #139 redc1c4

Looks like I dropped in at the right time. . . .

/oh wait, I don't have to protect it for four years.

// Curse you CBBHO!

re: #136 gmsc

My favorite comments there:

"if you drop one and it breaks, it's a hate crime."

"Clinton was the first black president. Obama is the first black Clinton."

"Can they put his likeness on a bunch of clay pidgeons?"

"Isn't this a violation of the 2nd commandment?"

"Scam wow!"

Bet they don't hold there value as well as the STTNG plates did...:)

re: #139 redc1c4

well, since we're off to the gun show tomorrow, and leaving in a few hours, it's best if i head over to the fruitcup storage area and then hit the rack...

i'll need all my energy to drool over the various offerings. %-)

hasta, y'all...

L8r!

"Last one before a possible gun ban!"
-According to a local gun show ad

re: #139 redc1c4

Gun show? Where? If its in Cali, I imagine anything formerly 'worthwhile' will have that lame-ass 10-round box magazine permanantly fixed in place...at least the new offerings.

re: #138 Silvergirl

You should E-Mail Dennis Prager...how very profound..that should be his next column..Nice! Silvergirl!

re: #145 Fenway_Nation
I know a guy who knows a guy...thirty round minimum...Legally of course

I had something important to say here, but I forgot what is was. I have it written down at home.

re: #148 fiat_lux
How's that fine wine Fiat?

re: #149 Bozman

Oh, it is till fine. I was making a reference to that classic David Byrne movie, "True Stories". Don't know why. Just did.

re: #137 Killian Bundy

No, they're not the same.

/Islam recognizes the Christian Jesus but, by definition, the Christian Jesus can't be the Antichrist

No they don't. Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God.

Koran. Surah 4:171

"4.171": O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

and Surah 9:30

"9.30": And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

and Surah 10:68,69

"10.68": They say: Allah has taken a son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: He is the Self-sufficient: His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know?
"10.69": Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful.

and there are at least 8 other times where the Koran denies Jesus is the Son of God.

This also proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible.

re: #150 fiat_lux
Of Talking Heads?...Watch Out!

re: #151 Crux Australis
UMM, You need more proof to tell that yahoo is not the "g" of the bible?

re: #152 Bozman

On September 11, 2001 after work, my wife and I kept playing, " Life During Wartime". Seemed appropriate.

re: #153 Bozman

UMM, You need more proof to tell that yahoo is not the "g" of the bible?

I could but LGF is probably not the place to post it. It would probably take me several days of research and writing to give my conclusions.

re: #151 Crux Australis

No they don't. Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God.

Did I say they did?

My point is that Mohammed ripped off Jesus and everything else in the Bible and perverted it to justify his amoral life. Jesus is still Jesus, he just does different things under the Islam fantasy.

/not the same as the Christian Antichrist

re: #154 fiat_lux

Those were the album's that set my sights on my future..man who would of thunk...Gspeed

re: 151 Crux Australis

This also proves that Allah is not the God of the Bible.

For the Satanic bible it fits perfectly!

re: #154 fiat_lux

On September 11, 2001 after work, my wife and I kept playing, " Life During Wartime". Seemed appropriate.

/now, the norm, same as it ever was, head for the love shack

re: #156 Killian Bundy

/not the same as the Christian Antichrist

Then how do you account for the similarities (and obvious differences) of Christian and Islamic eschatology?

re: #156 Killian Bundy
Is that anyone of your folk's fight? Think positive for crying out loud, got any good suggestions?
Hell, I believe our only future is what we intend it to be.

re: #160 Crux Australis

Then how do you account for the similarities (and obvious differences) of Christian and Islamic eschatology?

My point is that Mohammed ripped off Jesus and everything else in the Bible and perverted it to justify his amoral life. Jesus is still Jesus, he just does different things under the Islam fantasy.

I thought those were two really cogent sentences.

/hope the bolding helps this time

A disclaimer: I am not an expert on the Koran and Islam. But I am trying to get my head around the differences between Christianity and Islam and why they came to be.

Is an exhaustive explanation possible?

re: #161 Bozman

Is that anyone of your folk's fight? Think positive for crying out loud, got any good suggestions?
Hell, I believe our only future is what we intend it to be.

/it's really tough to fight your enemy when you ignore it's history and motivation

Dude,
Your gonna want to figure that out somewhere within you own studies.
Good topic though...

Perhaps thinking about 9/11, the Bali Bombings and now Mumbai has got me thinking aloud about all these things.

Just venting.

Do I sense fruitcup coming?

Maybe.

/who are these people?

re: #167 gmsc

Do I sense fruitcup coming?

I'm waiting with baited breath...:)

re: #168 littleoldlady

Maybe.

/who are these people?

If I where a rich man...jumping up on the coffee table...:)

(((Lady)))

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

re: #163 Crux Australis

A disclaimer: I am not an expert on the Koran and Islam. But I am trying to get my head around the differences between Christianity and Islam and why they came to be.

Is an exhaustive explanation possible?

re: #163 Crux Australis

A disclaimer: I am not an expert on the Koran and Islam. But I am trying to get my head around the differences between Christianity and Islam and why they came to be.

Is an exhaustive explanation possible?

The Bible came first, Islam is a psychotic, rambling, cynical perversion of Christianity, without any semblance of a coherent storyline.

/find any whiff of historical genealogy in the Koran

re: #168 littleoldlady

Maybe.

/who are these people?

Charles opened the door quite a bit over the holidays. Many are newbies.

Are we in for another drive-by fruitcupping?

re: #168 littleoldlady

Maybe.

/who are these people?

The "NOMS" brigade if I don't miss my guess

re: #171 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Thank you! Yum!

Dustyvet! :-)

WAY too much turkey consumed for that!

/although, that's a pretty good reason to start exercising... ;-)

gmsc! :-)

Fenway! :-)

I have a few minutes...

Panhandler! :-)

Where've you been, Stranger?

re: #164 Killian Bundy

Who's your enemy killby? we keep them all close ya know, so we're not just "westerners"

re: #171 littleoldlady

As usual, lol saves the morning thread. Since Goddess isn't here, I'll toss one out - in the spirit of Thanksgiving Past.

Crux Australis
Karma: 17
Registered since: Oct 29, 2006 at 12:13 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 160

I'm not a newbie.

re: #178 littleoldlady

Lurking as usual.

re: #180 Panhandler

That's a well behaved cat.

/as opposed to mine, who attached herself to my leg as I was dismembering the turkey(s).

Why lurk? Fruitcup!

Morning littleoldlady. Thankee for the fruitcup.

/couldn't sleep, and had to be up early any way.

rockwieldingprimitive! :-)

Sleep? What means "sleep"?

re: #181 Crux Australis

My aren't we full of ourselves..I'm sure they are talking about me.
Newbie DOB 11/28/08

re: #185 littleoldlady

Damn, I must be tireder then I thought. Give a sec and I will change.

re: #183 littleoldlady

Iz OK? IZ no red voodoo? Nope! Iz teh real thing! Thanks lol!

From Zibtluda, Inc. v. Gwinnet County (bold is mine):

The 2001 Ordinre: #156 Killian Bundy
Killian, in Re: Love Shack from Judge William Pryor

The 2001 Ordinance regulates comprehensively the operation of adult entertainment businesses in Gwinnett County. Establishments governed by the 2001 Ordinance include those where persons perform either fully or partially nude; where more than ten feet of floor space or five percent of net sales are derived from the sale of adult magazines, books, or movies; and adult movie theaters, minitheaters, video stores, arcades, hotels, and motels. 2001 Ordinance § 86-71. The 2001 Ordinance, in other words, regulates commercial entertainment akin to the “Huggin’ and a kissin’, dancin’ and a lovin’, wearin’ next to nothing” that the B- 52s famously described as occurring in a “funky old shack.”

Much better, all that hair was starting to itch.

/note to self, when logging in on FF, make sure you are awake when clicking nicks.

re: #179 Bozman

Who's your enemy killby? we keep them all close ya know, so we're not just "westerners"

/I prefer to think in terms of U.S. National Security threats and the list is long

re: #188 Panhandler

AHA! redfruitcupphobia!

/that's understandable.

Since the election we've come to realize we may NEED red-enhanced fruitcup.

/Survivalists 'R Us

;-)

Blue! :-)

Close shave? ;-)

Must be tryptophan in the turkey-flavored fruitcup, 'cause I'm getting sleepy now.

Good night, all!

re: #191 Killian Bundy
I honestly was wondering how that list gets changed when the new Admin takes over..any suggestions on what or who are on that list?

re: #187 rockwieldingprimitive

Damn, I must be tireder then I thought. Give a sec and I will change.

Yeah RWP, there is a slight glitch in your universe, but what the hey.

Night, gmsc! :-)

/tryptophan! that's it. couldn't remember the name...

I am a newbie, November, 21 2008. If you prick me do I not bleed? If you slap me do I not swell up?

re: #193 littleoldlady

Closer than you know. Thank goodness for the MachEleventy™ enough blades to ensure a need to rush to the emergency trauma ward.

re: #198 fiat_lux

I am a newbie, November, 21 2008. If you prick me do I not bleed? If you slap me do I not swell up?

Is OK, we got you covered.

re: #198 fiat_lux

Yeah but, the new car smell will go away...

re: #198 fiat_lux

If I feed you, do you not say thank you? ;-)

Look, I just didn't recognize most of the folks here as the usual morning crew.

/I'm not beating you up
//When I decide to beat you up, you'll know it.

BlueCanuck,

Is everything okay?

re: #195 Bozman

I honestly was wondering how that list gets changed when the new Admin takes over..any suggestions on what or who are on that list?

/the only thing I'm reasonably certain about is that we're going to effusively switch sides with regard to Middle East policy, the rest is a crap shoot, but I'm not particularly optimistic

re: #198 fiat_lux

I am a newbie, November, 21 2008. If you prick me do I not bleed? If you slap me do I not swell up?

I swear there's a pun in that line somewhere..

re: #199 BlueCanuck

Er, try it this way Blue - Hot water, shave cream - then the razor, or are you using your Bowie knife again?

re: #203 Killian Bundy

effusively switch sides

Or effectively.

/Spellcheck induced Freudian Slip

re: #205 Panhandler

Hot water? Shave cream? What are those words you speak?

/what part of great WHITE north don't you understand? ;)

re: #203 Killian Bundy

KB,
What are the chances of keeping USAF in Iraq through the OBAMANTION term?

I just don't know that much about who has/does what over there.

re: #74 redc1c4

it would be an interesting experiment, had we the technology, to gather up all the Muslims and transport them to another planet, earth like of course, and set them free to live as their so called religion dictates, without our terrible influence and sinful Western ways...

wonder how long they'd last?

Couldn't we just ship them to Mercury, and simply tell them it's Earth-like? You could probably find a koran verse to prove it.

Thanks for the fruitcup, LoL. Good way to start ANOTHER diet. I really think I'm going to do it right this time. Really...I mean it.

re: #209 Alberta Oil Peon

Sorry, we're leaving first.

Alberta Oil Peon! :-)

tappin52! :-)

I'm right behind you!

/better to be behind YOU than to see what's behind ME. ;-)

re: #208 Bozman

KB,
What are the chances of keeping USAF in Iraq through the OBAMANTION term?

I just don't know that much about who has/does what over there.

We'll be there at least three more years.

LOL. I'm not too sure about that.

re: #208 Bozman

KB,
What are the chances of keeping USAF in Iraq through the OBAMANTION term?

I just don't know that much about who has/does what over there.

Balad Airbase

Balad is the launching point for many various aircraft. From the C-5 Galaxy transport to the Predator unmanned aerial vehicle and everything in between. In addition, the U.S. Army has about 200 helicopters - including Apaches, Black Hawks and Chinooks - based at Balad.

It is the largest and busiest aerial port operation in all of Iraq. In a typical month at Balad, as much cargo and five times as many people move through there as does through Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

No only do airmen at Balad keep track everything coming onto and going from the base but also of all military aircraft operating in all of Iraq. Radar antennae at the base scan the entire country, providing a complete image of everything in the airspace over Iraq. This information is scrutinized and disseminated by a half-dozen airmen working in two bus-sized containers crammed with high-tech equipment.

. . .

As of Febuary 2006, Balad AB was home to about 25,000 U.S. troops.

That's a very good question. Guess we'll have to read the fine print of the Iraq Status of Forces agreement, if and when it's ever ratified by Iraq.

/Balad's the whole crux of our foothold in the region

I've been pretty in and out this week with all the goings on's etc. but it seems to me that the 'international' idea of America having a 'good' image in the world is the idea of the U.S. standing down and doing nothing when evil flourishes.

I don't want a 'good' image if that is correct. I want to be the most atrocious hated country in the history of country's if it means taking the fight to the freaks in order to keep good people safe and decent people in a good living condition.

In my opinion it seems that the 'international' community is already taking advantage of the true meaning of Obama's election: "Paper tiger kitten".

They know they have a 'blank' check on terror now, and they are going to use it.

re: #207 BlueCanuck

Hot water? Shave cream? What are those words you speak?

/what part of great WHITE north don't you understand? ;)

Grew up in western Montana, understand all too well. That's why I live on the Gulf Coast now.

re: #216 Oh no...Sand People!

What Sandy said.

I thought Barry was backing away from the left on that...and what with wanting to bomb Pakistan and all, I just thought our war for oil and such over there was for nuaght."We have achieved one of its most important achievements in approving the agreement on the withdrawal of foreign forces from Iraq and restoring the sovereignty it lost two decades ago."
HMMM...maybe our CHICKENS will come home to roost..

re: #214 tappin52

Years ago (MANY years ago) I was getting all dolled up for a Bat Mitzvah or wedding or something and I came out of my bedroom where my brother was waiting for me.

"WOW," he says, "You look fantastic...as long as you stand with your butt against the wall and don't move from there..."

/that's okay. He's bald now.
//KARMA! ;-)

re: #220 littleoldlady

And you let him live to get bald?

/tsk tsk.

re: #221 BlueCanuck

And you let him live to get bald?

/tsk tsk.

My favorite brother.

/the other one's worse...

re: #215 Killian Bundy

I'm a heavy civil contractor KB, What's the future look like for the rebuilding guy's and American contracts over there. Surely it won't just be Blackwater? Will it?

re: #222 littleoldlady

...but even balder!

/more bald?

re: #220 littleoldlady

Years ago (MANY years ago) I was getting all dolled up for a Bat Mitzvah or wedding or something and I came out of my bedroom where my brother was waiting for me.

"WOW," he says, "You look fantastic...as long as you stand with your butt against the wall and don't move from there..."

/that's okay. He's bald now.
//KARMA! ;-)

That reminds me of a joke.

A senior couple were reminiscing of the days of old. The wife then stood up in front of a mirror in her bedroom.
"Dear, how is it that you love me still? My face is wrinkled with age, my hair is white as snow, my body is frail and sags everywhere. Oh, please just let me hear you tell me one thing that is right about me!"

The husband contemplated this request then spoke with empathy in his eyes, "Honey, your eyesight is just fine."

re: #221 BlueCanuck

And you let him live to get bald?

/tsk tsk.

Revenge is sweetest when savored oiver a long period of time, a veeery looong period of time. lol still has her tush, brother 's got nada.

Dear Lady, beat me up whenever you choose. I am new and insecure and I will take your admonitions gracefully. One of the things I love about LGf is the freewheeling exchanges among the members.I have the utmost respect for all lizards and hopefully I can claim membership to this clan.

lol still has her tush

K'ena hura...

/sorry. there's no translation for that

#138 Silvergirl
Much of what you said is true. It is refreshing to have the president squarely named right off.
But don't forget the senate race in Minnesota, where democrat Al Franken has his forces trying to steal an election in the courts. If the courts are agreeable for Franken, and he can choose what court, he will win when in true fact he has lost already by two official counts. The final winner will depend on glass-ball reading fortune tellers devining how a voter really wanted to vote, regardless of what their ballot shows.
Now, in the usual scheme of things, one democrat senator more or less would be of little importance. But, in this case it may be possible for the democrats in Congress to pass through any Senate legislation they want, and the Republicans will not have the forty-one votes needed to block the legislation.
Result: In a short time the democrats will control the bench decisions made by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Further result: The Constitution of the United States of America will become simply a piece of paper with a few words written on it that have been the law of this land since our country's inception. It will no longer be our law.
In fact, with there now being several willyl-nilly justices on the S.C., many of the directions our national government is taking are patently illegal in my opinion. For example, what in the Constitution gives the U.S. Government the right to take away my hard-earned dollars for supporting people I wouldn't freely give a nickel to?
Our country is about to be reshaped by forces out of our control, and, as usual, we cannot depend on the third branch of our government to act independently from the other two.
This probably won't affect me, but the eight grandchildren I so deeply love may have much less freedom than I have been blessed with.
It is also probable that most of you footballers will be badly affected. Most of you seem to have much greater intelligence than the average person. In the past that has been the main factor in financial comfort. Now, in insiduous, non-transparent ways, you may find being smart is a legal handicap. Think hard and you will see how that can be true. Think "disproportionate taxation", "redistribution of wealth",
"Acorn", also "Community Organizer". Note that "Community" pertains to only a certain class of voters, and you probably aren't in that class.
Sas, Sad, Sad.
Old Engineer

re: #227 fiat_lux

Okay. Sufficiently humble.

/have some fruitcup! ;-)

re: #228 littleoldlady

K'ena hura...

/sorry. there's no translation for that

I get the feeling that perhaps that's just as well.

This is what I hate about Thanksgiving cooking, ingredient mismatch. I took through most of yesterday to consume most of the leftovers but I'm still stuck with 1/2 quart of milk from making the mashed potatoes. And I'll be damned if I'm going to drink milk after all these decades.

/guess I'll have to call the cat breeder tomorrow and ask fer if it's okay for them to take a whack at it or I'll have to pour it out

re: #227 fiat_lux

Funny, you don't look very insecure - you scared the heck out of Blue Canuk. Nice avatar, welcome aboard.

re: #233 Panhandler

Funny, you don't look very insecure - you scared the heck out of Blue Canuk. Nice avatar, welcome aboard.

Rule one in the wild. Don't mess with something bigger then you are.

/no way in hell will I ever get that big.
//and I will stop there. . . .

re: #232 Killian Bundy

Set it on the back porch for a week, the neighbor hood strays will either relieve you of the problem or you'll have yougert.

re: #235 Panhandler

Dooh! Yougurt

re: #230 littleoldlady

I loves me my fruitcup! Thank you.

re: #223 Bozman

I'm a heavy civil contractor KB, What's the future look like for the rebuilding guy's and American contracts over there. Surely it won't just be Blackwater? Will it?

Iraq's infrastructure needs years, at least, of work.

/pretty simple, start bidding contracts, both governments probably offer them, you still can't go there without a security component though

re: #232 Killian Bundy

Make some French toast, or bread pudding, or creamed soup.

re: #239 tappin52

Make some French toast.

That sounds good and I have the eggs.

/but then I'll have to buy syrup that I'll never use otherwise

re: #240 Killian Bundy

That sounds good and I have the eggs.

/but then I'll have to buy syrup that I'll never use otherwise

Make pecan pie with the syrup.

/it's a vicious cycle...

re: #238 Killian Bundy
Well my fiance' won't let me go play in the sand, but without USA protection how much of the existing and future infrastructutre contracts will completed. Iran is just going to rub their hands together and bid their time. Yah?

re: #234 BlueCanuck

One must practice restraint in these trying times.

re: #240 Killian Bundy

Or you could make some killer mac and cheese.

re: #241 littleoldlady

Make pecan pie with the syrup.

/it's a vicious cycle...

Looks like your most cost effective approach would be to pour it down the sink.

re: #233 Panhandler

Thank you. I have a great deal of respect for those who contribute to this site. Democracy demands an exchange of ideas and comity: LGF has both.

re: #246 fiat_lux

I enjoy reading posts of people far more intelligent and informed than I. It encourages me to look up more info than I normally might.

re: #242 Bozman

Well my fiance' won't let me go play in the sand, but without USA protection how much of the existing and future infrastructutre contracts will completed. Iran is just going to rub their hands together and bid their time. Yah?

We're certainly in uncharted territory, although there's plenty of private security to be had for a price. Just include the cost in your bid.

/look at the bright side, rumor has it that, come January, the inevitable, questionably necessary, very large, stimulus package will include massive, domestic infrastructure projects, I assume you know how to bid on projects in this country

re: #247 tappin52

Umm, not really intelligent here. Just got a lot of links to use and read.

/the internet is my group of masterminds.

re: #248 Killian Bundy

Yeah... 10-4, we'll giv'er a go! G-night God Bless!

re: #233 PanhandleThre: #233 Panhandler

Thank you ever so. I love Polar Bears.

Was anyone else disgusted with the coverage FOX news provided about Mumbai? I had to flip between CNN, NDTV and IBN live. I couldn't get enough coverage to satisfy me.

re: #244 BlueCanuck

That's excellent. But I have no macaroni or cheese, only milk

/besides, Stouffer's already makes it

re: #249 BlueCanuck

Best story ever about Henry Ford:

During the world war, a Chicago newspaper published certain editorials in which, among other statements, Henry Ford was called "an ignorant pacifist." Mr. Ford objected to the statements, and brought suit against the paper for libeling him. When the suit was tried in the Courts, the attorneys for the paper pleaded justification, and placed Mr. Ford, himself, on the witness stand, for the purpose of proving to the jury that he was ignorant. The attorneys asked Mr. Ford a great variety of questions, all of them intended to prove, by his own evidence, that, while he might possess considerable specialized pertaining to the manufacture of automobiles, he was, in the main, ignorant. Mr. Ford was plied with such questions as the following: "Who was Benedict Arnold?" and "How many soldiers did the British send over to America to put down the Rebellion of 1776?" In answer to the last question, Mr. Ford replied, "I do not know the exact number of soldiers the British sent over, but I have heard that it was a considerably larger number than ever went back." Finally, Mr. Ford became tired of this line of questioning, and in reply to a particularly offensive question, he leaned over, pointed his finger at the lawyer who had asked the question, and said, "If I should really WANT to answer the foolish question you have just asked, or any of the other questions you have been asking me, let me remind you that I have a row of electric push-buttons on my desk, and by pushing the right button, I can summon to my aid men who can answer ANY question I desire to ask concerning the business to which I am devoting most of my efforts. Now, will you kindly tell me, WHY I should clutter up my mind with general knowledge, for the purpose of being able to answer questions, when I have men around me who can supply any knowledge I require?" There certainly was good logic to that reply.
That answer floored the lawyer. Every person in the courtroom realized it was the answer, not of an ignorant man, but of a man of EDUCATION. Any man is educated who knows where to get knowledge when he needs it, and how to organize that knowledge into definite plans of action. Through the assistance of his "Master Mind" group, Henry Ford had at his command all the specialized knowledge he needed to enable him to become one of the wealthiest men in America.

From Napoleon Hill, "Think and Grow Rich".

/yeah Ford might have been a dick about some things but he knew a few things you could learn from.

re: #253 Killian Bundy

Heathen. Nukers are only for heating up food that you make yourself. :)

/only eat that stuff if I have no time.
//trick is to make time to cook good food.
///and with that I am outta here gotta go and do STUFF™

re: #231 Panhandler

I get the feeling that perhaps that's just as well.

Actually, its simple.
Kein (like German keine - none, not)
eyen hara (Hebrew - the evil eye)

Ward the evil eye!

re: #256 tokyobk

OH! Thank goodness!

I couldn't find it on the internet.

/proving BlueCanuck's point, right there...

;-)