Again, prayers to all who lost someone. Praying that India [or any other nation] never goes through again.

"Islamist gunmen".

Now that's a relative good start, Reuters.
Still, a long way to go.

re: #2 Age Of Freedom

"Islamist gunmen".

Now that's a relative good start, Reuters.
Still, a long way to go.

Beat me to it.

Followere: #2 Age Of Freedom

"Islamist gunmen".

Now that's a relative good start, Reuters.
Still, a long way to go.

Followed by "mumble mumble US foreign policy is to blame mumble mumble".

re: #2 Age Of Freedom

"Islamist gunmen".

Now that's a relative good start, Reuters.
Still, a long way to go.

Reuters is, IMHO, part of this problem.

Still not believing to 10 terrorist deal.

I think I will head to the office so I can see this video. And pehaps make an on topic comment.
I've got broadband and three different computers I can work from there. I am not home often enough to upgrade here. I was surprised that I got IBN as well as I did here the last couple of nights, I had it playing all day Wednesday at work and simply had to give it a try as I was so caught up and as all have noted the MSM here was useless.

re: #5 Gang of One

Reuters is, IMHO, part of this problem.

Saudi interests own a large chunk of Reuters IIRC.

re: #8 Thanos

Saudi interests own a large chunk of Reuters IIRC.

Why does this not surprise me?

re: #6 VegasRick

Still not believing to 10 terrorist deal.

There could have been more. All you would have to do would be to abandon your weapon and blend in with the crowd. The weapons were pre-positioned by the planners of this attack.

re: #6 VegasRick

Still not believing to 10 terrorist deal.

It is possible that there were only 10. They were very well prepared with detailed maps of the buildings and the first few hours they pretty much had a free game with the civilians.

re: #6 VegasRick

Still not believing to 10 terrorist deal.

I agree, I cannot see how that is possible.

re: #6 VegasRick

Still not believing to 10 terrorist deal.

Do you think there may have been some military collusion -- rogue-like elements?

How is it possible to have determined how many were involved this quickly?

Slimes article, confused and confusing, not including the word "islamic" but does include this gem:

The power of the rounds is still visible from three shots that missed the diners. They struck the thick concrete columns on either side of an entrance and penetrated more than an inch deep, leaving red stains.

Missed, did they?

re: #10 rawmuse

There could have been more. All you would have to do would be to abandon your weapon and blend in with the crowd. The weapons were pre-positioned by the planners of this attack.

They apparently had some local help.

This might have been a Reuters video clip; instead I got an orange juice ad I couldn't turn off without closing or reloading the browser.

I didn't hear the word "terrorist" in that entire video. It would be interesting to find out if the word Reuters translated as "Militant" in the statement from the Indian was really militant in that language.

re: #16 reine.de.tout

They apparently had some local help.

Wonder how much of that is currently going on elsewhere.

re: #15 itellu3times

I bet the editor barely caught the 'Dammit' at the end of the paragraph and, against his conscience, decided to white it out anyway...

So, the Obama era of Peace and Unity ended before it started, eh?
The NYT, etc. aren't gonna know what to do when terror escalates now that our defense posture is one of lying down and taking it.

re: #17 Chap

This might have been a Reuters video clip; instead I got an orange juice ad I couldn't turn off without closing or reloading the browser.

Just wait after the orange juice add, the real video starts right after

re: #16 reine.de.tout

They apparently had some local help.

Without any doubts...

re: #21 lincolntf

So, the Obama era of Peace and Unity ended before it started, eh?
The NYT, etc. aren't gonna know what to do when terror escalates now that our defense posture is one of lying down and taking it.

Of course they'll know what to do -- what they've always done: blame Bush and Conservatives.

From my part of the world...Night all.

re: #19 Oh no...Sand People!

Wonder how much of that is currently going on elsewhere.

er, um, yes indeed.
Like, for instance, here in the US?

re: #10 rawmuse

There could have been more. All you would have to do would be to abandon your weapon and blend in with the crowd. The weapons were pre-positioned by the planners of this attack.

"Raw" -

Think you are right about "pre-positioning." Somehow Mumbai doesn't strike me as a town where you can get off a fishing boat with an AK-47 and not be noticed.

-S-

re: #27 Dr. Shalit

In a city like Mumbai, "not being noticed" could cost less than $100.00 for someone to look the other way.

re: #23 Dustyvet

Without any doubts...

"Dusty" -

Hope the paper didn't come out before "the five" were arrested and "interrogated."

-S-

sorry to go OT, but it is kind of related:

Somali pirates hijack ship, British guards escape

"We have been informed by coalition military authorities that three of our unarmed security staff were rescued from the water by a coalition helicopter and are currently on board a coalition warship in the Gulf of Aden," the company statement said.

Ummm...excuse me? If you are going to put 'guards' on a ship in pirate infested waters, why would you not arm them? Does this qualify as the stupidest thing you ever heard of? it is close for me... Perhaps is is another example of why Britinnia has fallen so far. Unarmed cops, now unarmed merchant mariners?

re: #16 reine.de.tout

They apparently had some local help.

They stayed at Nariman House?!

American Taliban John Walker Lindh Still Asking For Pardon.

Not no, but f*** no!

The terrorist who was captured on a photo raising his gun (and the one shown in a separate photo appearing to be smiling) was captured alive by the Indian commandos.

re: #30 soccerdad

Why on earth would you hire unarmed security officers to protect ships that are in direct danger of being hijacked by armed and violent pirates? I absolutely cannot get my brain around the logic of this ridiculous act.

re: #33 reine.de.tout

The terrorist who was captured on a photo raising his gun (and the one shown in a separate photo appearing to be smiling) was captured alive by the Indian commandos.

Mr. Cargopants!

re: #31 MandyManners

They stayed at Nariman House?!

That's what the article says. Frightening, isn't it?

re: #35 MandyManners

Mr. Cargopants!

yep! That's the one.

Derka derka Mohammad Jihad!

meets

Gurkha Gurkha Gorakhnath.

Ten soldiers far outmatch civilians protected by policemen. That said, I think Reuters would alter the facts as much as they think they can get away with to further their agendas.

/MSM agendas?

re: #31 MandyManners

They stayed at Nariman House?!

I read something in the wee hours over night, that they had rooms at the Taj, and had rented an apartment a month before the attacks, and claimed to be college students.

Par for the course that the basic information about who the victims are (and by extension who the perpetrators) is being spun in the same disgusting old ways by the usual spinners - in this case the BBC. See the take of the Israeli terror victim couple who write This Ongoing War.

Fran

re: #39 Dustyvet
It would be possible to lay in ammo and arms bit by bit into the room at the Taj. But they all came together via the water on the day the siege began. The hotel room would have had to be serviced in the meantime. I don't see how they could have pulled this off without more help.

This is slightly amusing.

Apparently, Maharashtra Deputy Chief Minister R R Patil on Saturday kicked off a row when he said "such small incidents happen" with reference to terror attacks in Mumbai.

What's amusing is the last line in the story, particularly the part I've bolded:

Patil was not available for comment but sources close to him said the senior NCP leader did not mean to downplay the terror attack and that the remarks were being quoted "out of context".

Apparently, politicians are being quoted "out of context" all over the world.

re: #35 MandyManners

Mandy -

Saw the headline - "I want to live" on the video. Good for him, I want to win "The Powerball Lottery." I might have a better chance than "Mr. Cargopants."

-S-

This Azam Amir Kasab is singing like a bird to Indian authorities. Do you wonder how OUR police would handle him? Would they get so much information so fast or would a lawyer somewhere come to his rescue and get him to shut up fast?

The Supreme Court of India ruled in 1983 that the death penalty should be imposed only in "the rarest of rare cases.

Mr. Cargo pants is in deep kimchi...

re: #45 Dustyvet

The Supreme Court of India ruled in 1983 that the death penalty should be imposed only in "the rarest of rare cases.

Mr. Cargo pants is in deep kimchi...

The death penalty is carried out by hanging. After a 1983 challenge to this method, the Supreme Court ruled that hanging did not involve torture, barbarity, humiliation or degradation.

re: #46 Dustyvet

The death penalty is carried out by hanging. After a 1983 challenge to this method, the Supreme Court ruled that hanging did not involve torture, barbarity, humiliation or degradation.

Under Indian law, the death penalty can be imposed for:

* murder
* gang robbery with murder
* abetting the suicide of a child or insane person
* waging war against the government
* abetting mutiny by a member of the armed forces

re: #45 Dustyvet

The Supreme Court of India ruled in 1983 that the death penalty should be imposed only in "the rarest of rare cases.

Mr. Cargo pants is in deep kimchi...

If he were in Po-hang perhaps. And I'm betting he wishes he was! He'll get a fair trial and a good hanging in India.

I saw a photo in today's paper showing an Indian policeman taking cover behind a car and aiming a pistol at one of the hotels in Mumbai. The photo's caption:

Members of an anti-terrorist squad take position Friday during an engagement with suspected militants outside the Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai, India.

Gotta be impartial, you know.

re: #44 right_on_target

This Azam Amir Kasab is singing like a bird to Indian authorities. Do you wonder how OUR police would handle him? Would they get so much information so fast or would a lawyer somewhere come to his rescue and get him to shut up fast?

Or would we send him to Gitmo, get him a comfy chair, and never hear what happened in any case.

10 Terrorists? 6 Locations: Train station, 2 giant hotels, cafe, hospital, Chabad.
10 invaders, maybe. Plus insiders.

The people of India are going to be ok. I knew this when
I saw people wanting the commandos' autographs. When
people understand that heroes are the men that kill the evil men,
they have their values in priority.

QUESTION: I've been wondering how many terrorist assholes carried out these horrendous atrocities. Yesterday I read a news report which mentioned there were as many as 60 terrorists. Just now I read another report that says there were only 10 gunmen.

Now how could 10 gunmen hold off an army of police and military for 3 entire days? I ask this because almost 200 people died and hundreds were injured. Are the Indian police and military that incompetent?

re: #52 FightingBack

10 Terrorists? 6 Locations: Train station, 2 giant hotels, cafe, hospital, Chabad.
10 invaders, maybe. Plus insiders.

I suspect that the planners of this atrocity sent more than one group to Mumbai, with each group kept ignorant of the others. This would ensure that if any particular group was intercepted and interrogated before the action began, the others could not be identified.

It looks like the Indian security forces only caught ten of the terrorists -- some living, some dead -- and are pretending that's all there was.

Bull!

I guess the majority of the terrorists escaped... perhaps melted in amongst the hostages, and got away when the hostages were rescued.

There is no way only ten guys caused so much carnage for so long of a time. It was more, and the government doesn't want to admit that most got away.

After watching the live feeds this weekend, I was struck by the comments made by ordinary citizens. They were calm and their messages were clear. The ideology that gives rise to this butchery is unacceptable and they hold their politicians responsible for the lax security as well as initiating the appropriate response.

re: #58 ploome hineni

an unarmed, unprepared population

Excuse me, but at least 20 Indian soldiers and police were among the dead...

So you are going to tell me 10 "gunmen" killed all those people and on top of it another 20 prepared and heavily armed Indian police and soldiers. I don't buy it.

#33
"The terrorist who was captured on a photo raising his gun (and the one shown in a separate photo appearing to be smiling) was captured alive by the Indian commandos."

The scum was one bad mofo when he was mowing down innocent civillians & yet when faced with paying up for his atrocities, he whines like a bey-atch for his worthless life.

In light of this, I'm so glad I didn't spend Thanksgiving in CA with my dad's side of the family -- his sister converted to Islam way back in the '60s and still practices it, as does her youngest daughter (who's my age, wears a hijab that fully covers her hair, neck, and shoulders, and is married to a Yemeni immigrant).

Actually, my cousin and her husband would've been honest and candid enough, I'm sure, to say that the gunmen were "real Muslims," albeit fanatical ones. But my aunt has a convert's zeal and would've been doing the whole "oh, they weren't Muslims at all, because Islam is a Religion of Peace" thing, and would've been carrying on about how misunderstood Muslims are.

re: #2 Age Of Freedom

"Islamist gunmen".

Now that's a relative good start, Reuters.
Still, a long way to go.

Revisited the video because on first listen I did not really, clearly hear the reporters useage of 'Islamist'...but, she does in a drive-by manner. The word was presented in a quick almost muffled fashion as if she really didn't want to use it, to me. Maybe I'm being a little too sensitive or critical here.