GAH! MY EYES!

IT THROBS!~

For the fringe Left, the Sorelian myth is more important than the obvious fact.

The Tell-Tale Throb.
by Edgar "Stinky" Beaumont.

In terms of "Today's news", this is ancient history.

re: #1 experiencedtraveller

GAH! MY EYES!

IT THROBS!~

Thum thum...

Dan who?

I would Rather not go through this again...
SPITS

Dan Rather? Oh, used to be a journalist, or reporter, or something, right?

re: #8 pingjockey

Dan Rather? Oh, used to be a journalist, or reporter, or something, right?

He was what is called a "news reader."

Rather stupid, if you ask me.

re: #9 Lee Coller

He was what is called a "news reader."

re: #9 Lee Coller

He was what is called a "news reader."

News maker-upper, me thinks.

It is absolutely incredible that anyone in the news media thinks those documents are not fraudulent. Shhheeeeesh. Rosie Ramirez?
What is even more bizarre is the idea that the documents might be fraudulent but CBS should not have investigated the accusation or, better yet, because the fraud was pointed out from the right blogoshpere that the accusation is defective. These people are sick.

They're like a dog with a boner.

Must be a *slow* news day. Because, yanno, there's nothing else going on in the world.
*shakes head sadly*

re: #7 MAV

I would Rather not go through this again...
SPITS

It's a Dan of thieves

re: #8 pingjockey

Dan Rather? Oh, used to be a journalist, or reporter, or something, right?

Propagandist?

To paraphrase Shakespeare: Givest thou me a break.

re: #16 Idle Drifter
I think he qualifies as one of those, along with being a bitter old man, irrelevant, etc... Good riddance to bad rubbish.

re: #3 jcm

The Tell-Tale Throb.
by Edgar "Stinky" Beaumont.

Charles, you know what this thread needs?

Remember the old adage ... a picture is worth a thousand words ...

Thanks, in advance, for your indulgence in my Schadenfreude.

Only the "Fringe left," the "left wing extremist" believe Rather's version. We need to label his supporters as such. They are "Left wing EXTREMIST" and "FRINGE leftist."

Marginalizing them with such descriptions will help to isolate them in the general body politic.

stomp it down, quickly, with the throbbing memo.

re: #17 Bobibutu

To paraphrase Shakespeare: Givest thou me a break.

To quote Robin Williams:

ASSHOLES DOTH VEX ME!

It's amazing how the left will deny reality when it's one of theirs that got busted for fraud.
They don't want it to be true that one of theirs got caught trying to influence an election with fraudulent documents, therefore it isn't--especially since it makes them look bad too.

re: #19 ploome hineni

Samantha Power is really stupid.

re: #25 Hard Right

It's amazing how the left will deny reality when it's one of theirs that got busted for fraud.
They don't want it to be true that one of theirs got caught trying to influence an election with fraudulent documents, therefore it isn't--especially since it makes them look bad too.

ACORN-hole

I'm starting to understand this whole problem much better now.

There is just too much information out there and it makes everyone cranky and irritable. We need less info and more Dan with his calm soothing voice, his reassuring smile and a hearty "Courage" thrown in so we know everything is going to be just fine.

thats what I want in this world . the comfort and protective strength that is Dan Rather

..... either that or a couple beers

Dan is looking for redemption now that we have a professional plagiarist as Vice President, President of the Senate. He would make a great press secretary for Biden, a man for whom truth and integrity mean nothing.

Next time, use Courier typeface, idiots.

We just need the frequency, Kenneth.
Just the frequency.

re: #31 rawmuse

Next time, use Courier typeface, idiots.

would've been harder to refute if it was a "handwritten" memo

Heard mumbling on West 52nd to anyone who would listen: "I used to be somebody in ^this town."

The scariest thing about this to me is how the spin on truth is believed. My 7th grader told me after I shared the Rathergate story with him that the firmly entrenched lefties at his school denied the facts surrounding the evidence and said that Rather was innocent and set up. My son was at his wits' end trying to have a rational discussion about his support of Bush and how the twisted MSM has taken over. It is difficult to help him stand up for what he knows to be true when so many around him believe the spun webs that have been woven.

re: #13 Griffon

They're like a dog with a boner.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh....

re: #33 Hengineer

would've been harder to refute if it was a "handwritten" memo

I doubt if those are very widely done anymore. Or even in 1973.
Courier at least was designed to mimic the look of typewriters.

re: #37 rawmuse

I doubt if those are very widely done anymore. Or even in 1973.
Courier at least was designed to mimic the look of typewriters.

Maybe they were trying to say that the memo was written by the New York Times' staff

IMPEACH BUSH!
He throbs!

re: #39 IslandLibertarian

IMPEACH BUSH!
He throbs!

We impeached Clinton
all he did was knob

Until Dan Rather produces his journalism license, he cannot be considered a journalist.

This was in today's Mpls Star-Tribune. Then in the comments section, several people defended Dan and the documents. Saying they were legit.

re: #31 rawmuse

Next time, use Courier typeface, idiots.

Use an old manual typewriter like any ANG office would have had in '72.
And brush up on AF memo format.

re: #40 Hengineer

We impeached Clinton
all he did was knob

The knob that throbbed.

re: #41 Perfectsense

Until Dan Rather produces his journalism license, he cannot be considered a journalist.

There is no such thing.

re: #31 rawmuse

Next time, use Courier typeface, idiots.

_______________________
Dingbat font would have been more suitable.

It used to be, when a public figure disgraced himself, he would, voluntarily or not, fade into obscurity. But today's liberal weenies have no sense of shame or of right and wrong and so we witness the disgusting Mr. Rather trying to towel off the shit in which he so willingly submerged himself.

re: #45 MandyManners

There is no such thing.

Sure there is, it's called literary licence.

re: #48 Griffon

Sure there is, it's called literary licence.

LOL!

re: #45 MandyManners

There is no such thing.

Not yet. With the coming of the likes of "The Fairness Doctrine", such abominations become possible.

Charles

As we’ve written previously, the mainstream media seem to be slowly but surely re-legitimizing the “Rathergate” documents, casting doubt on whether they really were fraudulent.

Text book example of how MSM controls opinions. Another example....Clarence Thomas. By repeatedly running stories on sexual harassment, with this line in the first paragraph:

"Sexual harassment awareness increased after the Clarence Thomas hearings"

It's how they shape opinion, but running false stories, as though they are truth.

Rather is as gone as they wish Palin was.

re: #46 right_on_target

_______________________
Dingbat font would have been more suitable.

They're Zapffed Dingbats now....

re: #50 Syrah

Not yet. With the coming of the likes of "The Fairness Doctrine", such abominations become possible.

The MFM won't stand for it.

re: #48 Griffon

Sure there is, it's called literary licence.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, now.

re: #54 MandyManners

The MFM won't stand for it.

I think they will be its biggest supporters. They will see it as a way to delegitimize anything coming out of the blogoshere or anywhere else that is not properly vetted by the journalist elite.

re: #55 Hengineer

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, now.

If it bleeds, it leads.

re: #55 Hengineer

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, now.

Truth has nothing to do with media, it's their job to change the world.

It's amazing how Bush taught himself to fly a fighter jet, after playing hooky from the National Guard.

.....Must have got private lessons, his daddy is rich, you know.

re: #57 MandyManners

If it bleeds, it leads.

If it doesn't bleed, shoot it.

Challenged on Guard report, CBS convened a Bush-friendly review panel, which nonetheless did not declare the broadcast inaccurate.

And from the comments section of the Mpls paper:

President AWOL
The sourcing of the story was flawed. When interviewed, the CO's secretary said that the memos were probably fake, but their content was entirely accurate. I left the military well over 20 years ago and I have all of my records---ALL of them. Bush's records have all disappeared. Isn't that funny?

[Link: ww2.startribune.com...]

re: #56 Syrah

I think they will be its biggest supporters. They will see it as a way to delegitimize anything coming out of the blogoshere or anywhere else that is not properly vetted by the journalist elite.

Not a chance. That's messing with the First Amendment and reporters, editors, publishers and other citizens won't tolerate it.

By any means possible...........(Think Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Min, Kim Jung Il, Castro, Chavez, Satan)
The Left LIES.

Power to the Correct People!
(They are grounded in truth.)

re: #60 jcm

If it doesn't bleed, shoot it.

Dog bites man.

re: #59 swamprat

It's amazing how Bush taught himself to fly a fighter jet, after playing hooky from the National Guard.

.....Must have got private lessons, his daddy is rich, you know.

Nah, he probably learned how to fly along with the terrorists while they were plotting to blow up the WTC.

/

re: #62 MandyManners

Not a chance. That's messing with the First Amendment and reporters, editors, publishers and other citizens won't tolerate it.

I hope you are right.

re: #59 swamprat

It's amazing how Bush taught himself to fly a fighter jet, after playing hooky from the National Guard.

.....Must have got private lessons, his daddy is rich, you know.

The plane was a toy.... it's nickname was the "Lawn Dart."

/ it got that name from it's habit of imitating a lawn dart shortly after takeoff.

re: #64 MandyManners

Dog bites man.

Dog sues man for contracting a disease....

re: #66 Syrah

I hope you are right.

It'd be locked up in court for ages.

re: #31 rawmuse

Next time, use Courier typeface, idiots.

"Raw" -

Next time, use OpenOffice Writer instead of Word at default settings.

-S-

re: #19 ploome hineni

I think I'm going to be sick.

re: #68 jcm

Dog sues man for contracting a disease....

Dog and man get stuck in never ending court battle over property rights, insurance claims, newspaper stories....

re: #68 jcm

Dog sues man for contracting a disease....

If it's Michael Moore....

"Though sharply critical of the network’s strident dismissal of critics, the panel never concluded the broadcast was wrong — that Bush’s military record wasn’t marked by favoritism and dereliction." :This is a variation of the 'fake but accurate' argument. Its an article of faith for hard core Bush haters that he was given preferential treatment and was derelict in his duty. Its true because they believe it, which sums up the lefts worldview nicely.

re: #73 MandyManners

If it's Michael Moore....

Dog sues man for "contracting" obesity.

re: #75 Hengineer

Dog sues man for "contracting" obesity.

Owner sues man for vet liposuction bill.

re: #68 jcm

Dog sues man for contracting a disease....

Lawyers get rich. Veterinarian gets stuck with the bill. LOL

re: #76 MandyManners

Owner sues man for vet liposuction bill.

and years upon years of psychotherapy from Cesar Millan

re: #10 Caboose

Rather stupid, if you ask me.

Suggesting a punctuation edit....if it doesn't bother Caboose

Rather, stupid if you ask me.

In a large part, CBS caused this problem. By trying to save their reputation, they failed to categorically state the obvious and then let Rather go. Instead they came up with mumbo jumbo that made CBS appear as if it had a weak case against Rather. Rather has used this ambiguity to try to extort his reputation back.

re: #77 Griffon

Lawyers get rich. Veterinarian gets stuck with the bill. LOL

Veterinarian get congressional bailout.

re: #79 Indypendent

Suggesting a punctuation edit....if it doesn't bother Caboose

Rather, stupid if you ask me.

pun, PUN PPUUNN

/

re: #81 jcm

Veterinarian get congressional bailout.

vetinarian's employee's union demands a share of the bailout

Oh, ferchrissakes, Stinkey should have hit him again with the pipe wrench after he went down. This is gonna keep coming back like a bad horror movie. "Rathergate, part 3098684589063.

re: #81 jcm

Veterinarian get congressional bailout.

Under Obama, veterinarians elevated to full medical doctor status, commence work at nationalized hospitals.

re: #81 jcm

Veterinarian get congressional bailout.

We WISH!

Their claim always seems to have been that since the note is a fax it cannot be either proven or disproven.

Now they are trying to elevate its quality by suggesting it can't be proven and has only been challenged by partisans.

The best part of this whole episode was the flashing memo that easily and clearly showed that the fraud was easy to detect. The great hard news detectives did all they could to cover their tracks and one visual took them down in minutes.

It will go down in history as a classic!

This whole Rather memo thing (is the reason I signed up on LGF to begin with btw) is a perfect example of the liberal establishments refusal to examine evidence and accept fact, especially if it proves THEM wrong about issues or events. It throbs for God's sake. What complete and total asshats.

A new rule to put in the Journalism textbooks:

Defend Rather, Discredit yourself.

re: #85 pat

Under Obama, veterinarians elevated to full medical doctor status, commence work at nationalized hospitals.

AAAaaaack Nightmare! That Golden Retriever will no longer get treated the same day and will have to wait a week like people do!

re: #90 Griffon

AAAaaaack Nightmare! That Golden Retriever will no longer get treated the same day and will have to wait a week like people do!

Not Princess Fluffy!

re: #90 Griffon

On the other hand surgery will be twice as fast and cost one twentieth the current amount.

re: #86 Griffon

We WISH!

Sorry for the humor at your expense.

A real bailout would leave money in all our pockets.

re: #92 pat

On the other hand surgery will be twice as fast and cost one twentieth the current amount.

Ya, without proper anesthesia like my friend in Winnipeg who had carpal tunnel surgery without a proper block! They refused to stop the surgery and she felt every bit of it. Down here there would have been a huge lawsuit.

"Kenneth, what is the frequency?"

On October 4, 1986, as Rather was walking along Park Avenue in Manhattan to his apartment, he was attacked and punched from behind by a man who demanded to know, "Kenneth, what is the frequency?",

re: #94 Griffon

Ya, without proper anesthesia like my friend in Winnipeg who had carpal tunnel surgery without a proper block! They refused to stop the surgery and she felt every bit of it. Down here there would have been a huge lawsuit.

How selfish of her to not to want to feel pain. She should feel pain, like her comrades who fought for her for the right to free healthcare.

/sarc

re: #88 bellamags

Facts, reason and logic are irrelevant when defending an article of faith. David Horowitz correctly points out that the world view of the left has religious overtones.

re: #95 Dustyvet

"Kenneth, what is the frequency?"

On October 4, 1986, as Rather was walking along Park Avenue in Manhattan to his apartment, he was attacked and punched from behind by a man who demanded to know, "Kenneth, what is the frequency?",

At least Rather was a public figure so the attacker knew he had the wrong "Kenneth", if he bothered to read the papers.

Personally, I think it was someone sent by Tom Brokaw to make him look silly.

/

re: #94 Griffon

Ya, without proper anesthesia like my friend in Winnipeg who had carpal tunnel surgery without a proper block! They refused to stop the surgery and she felt every bit of it. Down here there would have been a huge lawsuit.

Will they at least let you self-medicate before surgery?

The facts, while interesting, are not relevant. At least to Dan "Blather" and his ilk.

re: #100 majic1

The facts, while interesting, are not relevant. At least to Dan "Blather" and his ilk.

Facts? We don' need no stinkin' facts!
We make our own!
/Danny Boy.

re: #101 jcm

Facts? We don' need no stinkin' facts!
We make our own!
/Danny Boy.

Obama will soon be office, so facts are whatever the libs make them. Actually, that's been pretty much the case for years . . .

re: #101 jcm

Facts? We don' need no stinkin' facts!
We make our own!
/Danny Boy.

I can see Rather as Hedley Lamarre from Blazing Saddles calling to his flock.

"Now go do that voodoo that you do!"

re: #102 Wyatt Earp

Obama will soon be office, so facts are whatever the libs make them. Actually, that's been pretty much the case for years . . .

Sooner or later reality bites.

re: #104 jcm

Sooner or later reality bites.

Rather hard...

My mother quit watching CBS evening news after this came out.

Look, they get a bunch of losers to pose as Vietnam vets calling themselves Winter Soldiers, or get a ghetto scum to pose as a Iraqi war vet, or have a writer make up stories of marines slaughtering civilians and running over dogs, or make up CYA memos discrediting a sitting President. ALL LIES!
They are the children of the "Father of all LIES".

F'ing scum.

Eventually the world will have to struggle on while carrying the burdens Bush has laid upon it. Fallen dictatorships, increased international trade (any codgers here remember when the left was in favor of international trade? I do)....restored military strength, first black sec of state...first woman secretary of state...North Korea nukeless(sorry Russia) Libya paying out for the Lockerbie bombing.....
It's Obama's turn. He will bring the right for a mother to "choose" in the forth trimester. He will make us safe by removing our dangerous guns. He will get the economy rolling by taxing the rich and restoring the overpriced mortgages, because overpriced real estate is good for the poor. He will negotiate without preconditions with terrorists. He has good sense and judgment; just look at his friends.(you can't spell "friends" without "fiend") We are at the beginning of a new era.

and the end of one

re: #106 MandyManners

My mother quit watching CBS evening news after this came out.

And, it was the beginning of the end of the Democrats' hold on her.

THANKS, CHARLES!

re: #97 MrPaulRevere

Facts, reason and logic are irrelevant when defending an article of faith. David Horowitz correctly points out that the world view of the left has religious overtones.

That is true. I believe that some liberals think that their philosophies are correct because they want to help people and they don't want anyone to suffer. They aren't smart enough or too blind to realize their methods and beliefs in the long run cause harm to the people they are trying to help. The smarter (and I use the word loosely) liberals are the haters. They hate this country. They use emotion, media and propaganda to control the masses including other liberals. They perpetuate the emotional element that needs to be left out. Sure, helping people sounds great but sometimes helping means learning lessons.

re: #106 MandyManners

My mother quit watching CBS evening news after this came out.

Sweet.

Gotta' go buy Bolt PS2 for The Kid. He saw the movie last night and loved it. bbl

re: #108 swamprat

Eventually the world will have to struggle on while carrying the burdens Bush has laid upon it. Fallen dictatorships, increased international trade (any codgers here remember when the left was in favor of international trade? I do)....restored military strength, first black sec of state...first woman secretary of state...

Bush didn't have the first female Secretary of State. Clinton did. Madelyn Albright.

From Steyn's article: It’s Not the Cold War

It’s missing the point to get into debates about whether this is the “Deccan Mujahideen” or the ISI or al-Qaeda or Lashkar-e-Taiba. That’s a reductive argument. It could be all or none of them. The ideology has been so successfully seeded around the world that nobody needs a memo from corporate HQ to act: There are so many of these subgroups and individuals that they intersect across the planet in a million different ways. It’s not the Cold War, with a small network of deep sleepers being directly controlled by Moscow. There are no membership cards, only an ideology. That’s what has radicalized hitherto moderate Muslim communities from Indonesia to the Central Asian stans to Yorkshire, and coopted what started out as more or less conventional nationalist struggles in the Caucasus and the Balkans into mere tentacles of the global jihad.

re: #113 Griffon

Bush didn't have the first female Secretary of State. Clinton did. Madelyn Albright.

Why does everyone spell it wrong...
Halfbright, it's Halfbright....
sheesh!
/

re: #113 Griffon

thanks
I think
facts are facts

re: #115 jcm

Why does everyone spell it wrong...
Halfbright, it's Halfbright....
sheesh!
/

Is that why you don't consider her to be the first female Sec of State? LOL

first person readily identifiable as a woman as secretary of state

re: #117 Griffon

Is that why you don't consider her to be the first female Sec of State? LOL

Sorry, I should have addressed that to Swamprat.

It would appear that the MSM is so desperate to "re-visit" news stories about Bush in order to hide things like, oh, I don't know, the Obama Clintonista cabinet, how far he has already backtracked on the "Change" promises.

Frankly, I think we need to be prepared for a lot more of this.

re: #117 Griffon

Is that why you don't consider her to be the first female Sec of State? LOL

Secretary of Surrender, maybe.
/ ;-)

re: #108 swamprat

first woman secretary of state

Second, you mean. Heaven help us, Madelaine Allbright was the first female SoS.

re: #115 jcm

Madeline Halfbright and George Soros resemble each other, don't they?

re: #117 Griffon

Is that why you don't consider her to be the first female Sec of State? LOL

No, it's because she doesn't look like a woman! Blecch!

I see everyone else beat me to that. Sorry, swamprat, I didn't mean to pile on.

Though "SoS" seems quite appropriate, now that I think of it!

re: #123 bellamags

Madeline Halfbright and George Soros resemble each other, don't they?

As anyone seen them together....?
mmmmmm! Interesting!

re: #125 Dianna

amended in comment 118

re: #79 Indypendent

Suggesting a punctuation edit....if it doesn't bother Caboose

Rather, stupid if you ask me.

These puns are Rather funny.

re: #123 bellamags

Madeline Halfbright and George Soros resemble each other, don't they?

I just looked up a picture of Soros - had never seen one. Yes, they do resemble each other. Secret siblings?

re: #129 Griffon

I just looked up a picture of Soros - had never seen one. Yes, they do resemble each other. Secret siblings?

twins separated at birth?

re: #3 jcm

And here I thought Stinky was his first name.....

re: #130 Desert Dog

twins separated at birth?

Probably conjoined.
/

Toasters!

re: #132 Griffon

Probably conjoined.
/

They shared a (small) brain.

Wasserman ... claims that Rather’s report was good journalism, but bad legal practice, which is why the panel of lawyers sided against Rather.

Good journalism? Going to press with a fake document without going through the rigor of establishing its authenticity is good journalism?
The only bad legal practice is allowing a confirmed psycho like Dan Rather to pretend to be a reporter.

Once again, the right produces hard, irrefutable evidence of something that makes the left look bad and the press shrugs and says "Huh...gee, we dunno, maybe it is, maybe it isn't." Even four years later.
But if you have a completely unverifiable, unrecorded, undocumented false rumor, about McCain using the C word on his wife or Palin confusing Africa as a country, the press runs it non-stop like an SETI signal.

120 Tator

It would appear that the MSM is so desperate to "re-visit" news stories about Bush in order to hide things like, oh, I don't know, the Obama Clintonista cabinet, how far he has already backtracked on the "Change" promises.

Frankly, I think we need to be prepared for a lot more of this.

Yeah, one of my favorite subjects. Who will the left attack and demonize? You need a common enemy to rally and energize your side. I see they are still going after Governor Palin. Mormans are a common target.

re: #135 Crusty

Good journalism? Going to press with a fake document without going through the rigor of establishing its authenticity is good journalism?
The only bad legal practice is allowing a confirmed psycho like Dan Rather to pretend to be a reporter.

Once again, the right produces hard, irrefutable evidence of something that makes the left look bad and the press shrugs and says "Huh...gee, we dunno, maybe it is, maybe it isn't." Even four years later.
But if you have a completely unverifiable, unrecorded, undocumented false rumor, about McCain using the C word on his wife or Palin confusing Africa as a country, the press runs it non-stop like an SETI signal.

"Good journalism." Nowadays, that's a contradiction in terms.

re: #108 swamprat

"..first woman secretary of state..."

It would be more accurate to say the first competent women Secretary of State. Don't forget the ever popular Madeline Albright.

Powerline covered this story well today.

re: #127 swamprat

amended in comment 118

I saw - too late! Sorry, as I said.

re: #126 jcm

put a wig on George. eeww.

evidence

more evidence

re: #129 Griffon

I just looked up a picture of Soros - had never seen one. Yes, they do resemble each other. Secret siblings?

gmta

re: #133 Desert Dog

Toasters!

Now there's a Date in History....

Found this link that gives a list of 100 UK right of centre blogs that gives an alternative view of what is happening in the UK rather then the lefty state sponsored nonsense that comes out the BBC

[Link: iaindale.blogspot.com...]

You know what cracks me up about the memo, is you can that the ^th out.

Thought I'd put this on a separate post. In light that UK Muslims are involved in the current terrorist tragedy, I found this link which gives an insight into the present UK government policies of trying to integrate Muslims into mainstream society.

I can't help but feeling that the current UK government is trying to foster a Muslim block vote and in doing so is dealing with members of the Muslim community who don't have the interests of the country at heart. IMHO, that is the reason why extremism is such a problem here.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Quote:

Baroness Warsi, the shadow minister for community cohesion, claimed the move was another example of Labour's discredited policy of state multiculturalism and would just drive communities in Britain further apart.

She pointed out that Muslims face the same issues as young people from other backgrounds, and said it is wrong to chose advisory groups purely on the basis of faith.

Lady Warsi, who last year helped secure the release of an English teacher jailed in Sudan for allowing her class to name a teddy bear Mohammed, spoke out after the Government named the 22 members of its first Young Muslim Advisory Group.

The 16 to 25-year-olds, who were chosen for their records of voluntary and community work, will have regular meetings with ministers to discuss issues such as terrorism, discrimination and how they believe Islam should fit into British society.

They will also plan a conference for 300 young Muslims and work on reducing teenage pregnancies and drug abuse among teenagers, as well as encouraging drop-outs to take up jobs or training.

Lady Warsi said: "This is another example of the Government engaging with the British Muslim communities on the basis purely of their faith. There are many issues that face young people: drugs, unemployment and housing, to name but a few.

"To select a group of 22 young people, however talented they may be, to advise the government on 'Muslim issues' is patronising and deeply concerning.

"When will the Government learn that the Muslim community is not a homogenous block, and the issues its young people face are predominantly the same issues that all young people in this country face, whatever their background, race, or religion?

"Actions such as this are a continuation of the Government's policy of state multiculturalism, which creates a more divided Britain."

re: #145 Sharmuta

Err- take the ^th out.

re: #134 Wyatt Earp

They shared a (small) brain.

So who has it? Neither of 'em exhibit evidence of one.

Nor did it ever say the disputed documents were bogus. Instead, the panel concluded the documents couldn’t be proven genuine, and for a simple reason: They were photocopies.

There's your problem right there, if the stupid panel wouldn't say they were false or at least demand some kind of explanation on how the were produced to exactly match a word prosessor doc then no LLL is going to even listen.

re: #110 bellamags

I believe that some liberals think that their philosophies are correct because they want to help people and they don't want anyone to suffer. They aren't smart enough or too blind to realize their methods and beliefs in the long run cause harm to the people they are trying to help.

I'm sure this has been told here before but Emo Philips had a joke about his grandmother being rushed to hospital after a serious accident.

The doctor tells him, "It's like this. Your grandmother's heart is beating, but her brain is dead."

And Emo says, "That's terrible! We've never had a Democrat in the family before!"

Obama spring into action, votes "present" of Mumbai terrorism....
Bush Vows Aid to India, Says Terror Not ‘Final Word’

Throughout the past four days, the president said he’s kept President-elect Barack Obama informed of step-by-step developments and shared information, as U.S. authorities work “to ensure that American citizens in India are safe.”

President-elect Barack Obama called Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last night to offer condolences. “He told the prime minister that there is one president at a time, but that he would be monitoring the situation closely,” said Nick Shapiro, an Obama spokesman, in an e-mailed statement.

We can expect a lot of this during Obama's first 100 days in office and perhaps even farther. After all, they've gotta give him some time to undo all the wrongs "Bushco and the neocons" (Kos term, not me) wrought upon the proletariat.

re: #139 Dave the.....

Powerline covered this story well today.

I put it in the spinoffs.

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Obama spring into action, votes "present" of Mumbai terrorism....
Bush Vows Aid to India, Says Terror Not ‘Final Word’

It would be much easier to make a list of things that Obama hasn't voted present on.

re: #149 Rancher

As pat pointed out in comment #80, this left a hole wide enough to drive a truck through, and Rather's supporters are behind the wheel.

Bob Hope funny

Classic

re: #155 MrPaulRevere

As pat pointed out in comment #80, this left a hole wide enough to drive a truck through, and Rather's supporters are behind the wheel.

LOL, well phrased.

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Obama IS NOT the POTUS yet. He shouldn't get involved!

He is doing the right thing and staying out of the way. To do anything differently would be presumptuous & over stepping his right.

The Left is simply grabbing a page from the Islamist media playbook.
Remember how Iran's media trotted out a supposed quote from ex-chancellor of Germany Helmut Kohl to the effect that he believed the Holocaust never happened?
Simply express a view as fact and see if it is refuted or swalloed.
The Left is now doing the same thing with Rather's "fake but accurate" story.

re: #158 WrathofG-d

Obama IS NOT the POTUS yet. He shouldn't get involved!

He is doing the right thing and staying out of the way. To do anything differently would be presumptuous & over stepping his right.

QFT

his quote "There is only one President" is spot on. Pres. Bush is doing the right thing keeping him informed, too.

OT:

Rabbi Covered His Dead Wife's Body With A Prayer Tallis Before He Himself Was Murdered

re: #139 Dave the.....

Powerline covered this story well today.

Yes. Outstanding.

(though their page is rendering funny on my browser - have to scroll way down to find the text!)

Article does not mention the "fake but accurate" terminology that Rather and company invented, and that one hopes no court in the land could accept for any purpose at all.

re: #158 WrathofG-d

He is doing the right thing and staying out of the way. To do anything differently would be presumptuous & over stepping his right.

I would agree with you but he's been running his yap about the economy, closing Gitmo and a million other things. He starting giving weekly fire side chats to the American people on Youtube for a month now. I find it odd that this is the only thing he doesn't want to speak about.

I caught this story earlier this week when Wasserman's article was featured at Romenesko's Media News over at Poynter.org. Poynter is a non-profit, (purportedly) non-partisan journalism education groups. The site is frequented by many journalists, yet the item had garnered not one comment from anyone. Because most people frequenting Poynter share Wasserman's view.

Media diversity is skin deep.

re: #164 hoystory

Well- I think you did a nice job. Thanks.

Dan Rather, wasn't he once a reporter for See BS?

re: #166 sngnsgt

Dan Rather, wasn't he once a reporter for See BS?

See BS Run

Run BS Run

re: #163 Killgore Trout

In the context of "why not discuss this when you won't shut up about everything else Obama", I will agree.

In the context of "Obama should get involved"; not so much.

Here you might find this interesting.

Lebanon To Establish Diplomatic Ties With With 'The State of Palestine'.

BEIRUT, (AFP) – Lebanon has decided for the first time to establish diplomatic relations with the "state of Palestine," and has approved the opening of an embassy in Beirut.

re: #168 WrathofG-d

How much control does Hizb'Allah have in Lebanon again?

re: #169 Hengineer

How much control does Hizb'Allah have in Lebanon again?

Not much just Veto over every decision, and high ranking positions in the Lebanese Army. Why?

Defenders of the "Rathergate" documents are like 9/11 Truthers, no amount of facts will dissuade them. Who needs facts? You can prove anything with facts. Both groups are locked into a higher truth where logic, evidence and facts are irrelevant.

re: #166 sngnsgt

Dan Rather, wasn't he once a reporter for See BS?

If I put a recorded CBS segment on my iPod, is it called iCBS? {snicker}

re: #170 WrathofG-d

Not much just Veto over every decision, and high ranking positions in the Lebanese Army. Why?

They didn't veto this decision, apparently...

ot:

PLO

&

Hiz'b'allah

A match made in Hell. (if there was one). Nice to see Germany & Italy getting along again...

Hmm......big time reality disconnect:

Thanks for the New York Times's Enduring Commitment to Journalism

re: #161 WrathofG-d

OT:

Rabbi Covered His Dead Wife's Body With A Prayer Tallis Before He Himself Was Murdered

Exalted and sanctified is G-d's great name.
in the world which He has created according to His will
and may He establish His kingdom
may his salvation blossom and his anointed near
in your lifetime and your days
and in the lifetimes of all the House of Israel
speedily and soon; and say, Amen.
May His great name be blessed
forever and to all eternity.
Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted,
extolled and honored, elevated and lauded
be the Name of the Holy One, blessed be He.
beyond (far beyond) all the blessings
and hymns, praises and consolations
that are spoken in the world; and say, Amen.
Let them be accepted: the prayers and supplications
of the entire House of Israel
before their Father in Heaven; and say, Amen.
Upon Israel and its rabbis and their students
and upon all their student's students
and upon all those who engage in the Torah
here and in all other places
may they and you have much peace
grace and kindness and mercy and long life
and plentiful nourishment and salvation
from before their Father in Heaven [and Earth];
and say, Amen.
May there be much peace from Heaven,
[and] [good] life
and satiety, and salvation, and comfort, and saving
and healing and redemption and forgiveness and atonement
and relief and deliveranced
for us and for all His people Israel; and say, Amen.
fHe who makes peace in His heights
may He [in his mercy] make peace upon us
and upon all [his nation] Israel; and say, Amen.

Rosie O'Donnell Scraps Future Variety Shows:[Link: www.people.com...] /I'm heartbroken.

re: #177 MrPaulRevere

Rosie O'Donnell Scraps Future Variety Shows:[Link: www.people.com...] /I'm heartbroken.

Sob! Wherever will I get my TV humor now?

/Scoff

We have our own active domestic terrorists.

Animal rights activists destroyed one vehicle and badly damaged two others in a Palms-area arson attack last week, authorities said....
Anti-animal research extremists have increasingly targeted UCLA faculty and researchers with harassment. Past actions include firebombing a UCLA commuter van, flooding a UCLA scientist's home and placing a firebomb in the home of a UCLA researcher's neighbor.

re: #176 jcm
Amen!

re: #175 twincitiesgirl

Hmm......big time reality disconnect:

Thanks for the New York Times's Enduring Commitment to Journalism

_________________________
He's saving his own job, that's all. Kissing up.

I do owe Dan Rather. It's because of Rathergate I found LGF. Thanks, Mr. Rather. Of course, he may still be bittter about it and not appreciate my thank you. Smirk.

I should also thank Drudge VERY SINCERELY for linking to the LGF post on the memos. Thanks, Mr. Drudge.

Break out that GIF again, Charles! How many times do they need to be taught?!

By the way, if anyone ever tells you that the documents were genuine, or that CBS producers did due diligence, just ask them to duplicate the documents using 1970's technology.

Ha!

Can't be done, not without highly specialized training, vastly expensive machines, and supplies that quickly degrade. A phototypeset original would be unreadable after two years.

re: #161 WrathofG-d

OT:

Rabbi Covered His Dead Wife's Body With A Prayer Tallis Before He Himself Was Murdered

That's the saddest--yet, sweetest--thing I've heard about in a long time. His love for his wife stands in stark contrast to the hate-filled bastards who took all those lives.

re: #183 davinvalkri

Break out that GIF again, Charles! How many times do they need to be taught?!

Git yer throbbin' memo fix here.

re: #187 jcm

Git yer throbbin' memo fix here.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Much better now.

Heck people deny the murder of 6 million Jews, say the WTC was a controlled demolition, and completely ignore the people on the plane that supposedly did not hit the Pentagon. People are stupid, I'll alert the media........oh wait.
At least maybe Al Franken won't steal the Minnesota senate race...course I'm not counting on that yet.

*sniff*

Make no mistake, the L³eft will rewrite history if we let them. The Rathergate memos represent what they believe should be true. Therefore, if it can be alleged, then it is the severity of the accusations that matter, not whether or not the charges are "true" in the narrow, factually obsessed analysis.

What makes this bullshit even more angering is the fact that Bill Fuckin' Clinton was a goddamn draft-dodger, but we weren't supposed to take that into consideration.

Democrat "ethics" are so malleable that they can claim they're being ethical while they are in the process of sodomizing a goat.

At this stage, I think it would be correct to come to the conclusion that I hate all democrats. This would not be true. I only hate their entire leadership, their crooked unions, their professional "victims", and their socialistic domestic policies. Oh, and their loathing of the military, their love of high taxes, their fanatical desire to remove any vestige, no matter how small, of a recognition of the role religion plays in the creation of our culture, their cult-like sycophantic adoration of Barrack Obama, and their unquestioning blind lock-step attitudes on any number of other issues.

Aside from being lower scum than pimps hustling a fifteen year old hooker, I'm sure they are just swell.

re: #191 MandyManners

*sniff*

Hi Mandy..you OK?

re: #191 MandyManners

*sniff*

Hola, Mandy! Does something on this thread smell weird?

re: #192 Iron Fist

Aside from being lower scum than pimps hustling a fifteen year old hooker, I'm sure they are just swell.

I swear she said she was 18!
/L³eft

re: #194 gclaghorn

It's not that Mandy is addicted to the cocaine. It's just that she likes the way it smells.

:-þ

re: #195 jcm

I swear she said she was 18!
/L³eft

That's not what -she- said...

re: #196 Iron Fist

It's not that Mandy is addicted to the cocaine. It's just that she likes the way it smells.

:-þ

Has she tried twelve-step meetings?

;)

re: #196 Iron Fist

It's not that Mandy is addicted to the cocaine. It's just that she likes the way it smells.

:-þ

911 Operator: What is your emergency?
JCM: We have a head trauma, soon as Mandy *whacks* Iron Fistl

re: #192 Iron Fist

Don't equivocate, say what you really mean ;)

/al franken is their poster boy

re: #195 jcm

I swear she said she was 18!
/L³eft

"I almost had a heart attack that day
Come to find out the girl was a twelve-year-old runaway . . ."

The MSM believes the phony is real in spite of the evidence that proves it's a fake.....just like they did Obama. So what's new about this as far as the MSM goes?

re: #193 HoosierHoops

Heya' HH. I'm hunkey-dorey. How's your diddy?

re: #196 Iron Fist

Tried it once. It shut me up.

Sounds like another script for Oliver Stone...

"First, there was JFK...
"Then, there was NIXON...
"Then, there was W...
"Now...from the Master of Conspiracy comes...RATHER!"

re: #204 MandyManners

Heh™ That's one of the things that has never even tempted me. If I want to be nervous and pissed off there are all kinds of things I can do to get there without having to pay the premium that's charged by coke

re: #202 WayDownSouthInBama

The MSM believes the phony is real in spite of the evidence that proves it's a fake.....just like they did Obama. So what's new about this as far as the MSM goes?

What I find interesting is the Bush didn't have a spokesperson walk the media through the available files and explain what happened. I did that very thing, and being a AF vet could construct exactly what happened.

Quick and dirty, Bush in 6 years of TANG service acquired 952 service points, where 300 where required, 50 per year. '72 he had 52 points, the plane he was flying was being phased out and regular AF points of that type being RIFed. He goes to MI to help in a political campaign, for call up purposes he is reassigned to MANG, but since he had all his points didn't have to report, only if called up.

re: #206 Iron Fist

Never tried heroin. Needles scare me.

re: #205 96RoadKing

It'd make a good Sci-Fi Channel original. Right up there with Rock Monster.

Asked about the assembly of the panel in a sworn deposition, Andrew Heyward, the former president of CBS News, acknowledged that he had wanted at least one member to sit well with conservatives: “CBS News, fairly or unfairly, had a reputation for liberal bias,” and “the harshest scrutiny was obviously going to come from the right.”

Now that's a stunner. //

Helen Thomas has a degree in economics now.

Few prominent economists will say it, but to me it looks and feels like we are in another Great Depression or a reasonable facsimile.

The current meltdown is dubbed a "financial crisis." But a rose by any other name would still inflict the same hardship and suffering on most people and businesses.

Maybe Helen, economists won't say it because it's not.

re: #207 jcm

But if W had been a Democrat it wouldn't have mattered if he was a fugitive deserter with syphilis and a bad hair do. Although you might think the bad hair might give them pause after the way they ate up Silky Pony's well-groomed mane.

re: #204 MandyManners

Tried it once. It shut me up.

Hmmm.......
the thought of mandy on coke is.......interesting :0

re: #203 MandyManners

Heya' HH. I'm hunkey-dorey. How's your diddy?

Hahaha..wiping tears from my eyes..I just heard that Plexico Burris shot himself in the thigh with his own gun at a nightclub last night in NYC.
Jeez plex..Even Ballers in Indiana only shot other people in strip clubs..
Wait till Realwest comes on-line.. He is in a world of teasing.
/Good to hear you are doing alright Mandy...No more sniffing..

re: #207 jcm

Well yeah jcm,but where's the BDS conspiracy in THAT version ?

re: #211 jcm

Charles would delete me if I said what I really think of Helen Thomas. she's been stealing perfectly good oxygen for too damn long.

re: #211 jcm

Helen Thomas has a degree in economics now.

Maybe Helen, economists won't say it because it's not.

Isn't Helen Thomas Madelaine Halfbright and George Soros' mother?
/

re: #70 Dr. Shalit

"Raw" -

Next time, use OpenOffice Writer instead of Word at default settings.

-S-

Not good enough. I duplicated the Word-produced memo with the superscript with both Open Office and WordPerfect. The Open Office version was a perfect match with the Word version right up to the superscript. The rest of the line following the superscript was horizontally displaced because OO used a different size superscript and placed the text following the superscript in a slightly different position, but that text still showed the same individual letter positioning dictated by adherence to the Times New Roman TrueType font metrics, which Open Office followed just as Word did.

The WordPerfect version didn't match the Word Document at all. If the fakester had used WordPerfect, the fraud might have been much harder to detect, but even then, if the job had been done with as little thought as was put into the original fakes, it would still have been easily detectable.

re: #12 pat

It is absolutely incredible that anyone in the news media thinks those documents are not fraudulent. Shhheeeeesh. Rosie Ramirez?
What is even more bizarre is the idea that the documents might be fraudulent but CBS should not have investigated the accusation or, better yet, because the fraud was pointed out from the right blogoshpere that the accusation is defective. These people are sick.

"The latest on the story comes from The New York Times which…" - Hoystory

The line "The New York Times" says it all. Whether the NYT is trying to influence its readers to attack President Bush or just trying to bolster Dan Rather's lawsuit against cBS it is all BS.

If you invite the NYT into your living room you will end up with a steaming pile on your carpet.

re: #217 Griffon

Isn't Helen Thomas Madelaine Halfbright and George Soros' mother?
/

NOT FAIR, I was trying to eat some lunch!
EWWWWW!

Great memo on Your text to link...that discusses the Rathergate issue. These were the guys that originally brought into question the authenticity of the documents.

re: #217 Griffon

Isn't Helen Thomas Madelaine Halfbright and George Soros' mother?
/

That's okay, I wasn't planning on eating for the next two years anyway.

/Brainbleachbrainbleachbrainbleach

The MSM still think they control the narrative.

re: #208 MandyManners

I've never even seen H for sale. I knew a needle junkie, once. That's just a little too weird for me.

re: #31 rawmuse

Next time, use Courier typeface, idiots.

Really. Apparently Bill Burkett isn't brightest bulb.

And use the proper USAF memo format, rather than US Army (Burkett was Army National Guard and probably didn't even know the Air Force (and Air Guard) uses a very different format.

I'm guessing Mary Mapes had a deadline looming over her head (and an Election to influence, fercryinoutloud) and Burkett had to whip out the memos in a hurry.

It is very humbling to be faced with proof that something you believed in is false. Most people have been in that position. When that position has harmed or slandered another party an apology is in order. To accept that you were wrong and do the right thing makes you grow in wisdom, maturity and honor. It is pure arrogance, pride and complete lack of humility to continue to defend this well proven false document.
A classic comes to mind:
How dreadful!" cried Lord Henry. "I can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect." Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

re: #225 Spiny Norman

I remember seeing the memos flashed on the evening news, my first thought being AF was, "those aren't the proper format."

re: #187 jcm

Git yer throbbin' memo fix here.

It throbs because the registration is slightly off. Charles had another one - the "affine transformation" version which doesn't throb as much, because the registration of the original fake with the Word test document is perfect.

re: #227 jcm

I remember seeing the memos flashed on the evening news, my first thought being AF was, "those aren't the proper format."

I'm certain you did, because least a half-dozen AF and former-AF lizards made that point here within the first day. When genuine Texas ANG memos from Lt. George W. Bush's file were made public, the difference was obvious even to those of us who'd never seen one before.

That's why I am absolutely convinced Bill Burkett (who has a grudge against W since Bush was Texas Governor) was the sole source of the fraudulent 60 Minutes memos.

re: #223 jwpaine

The MSM still think they control the narrative.

They don't?

Then how the fook did Obama get elected?

Don't kid yourself or be caught swimming in - as a result of the recent US purchase through credit-swaps - Egypt's most famous river, de Nile.

re: #230 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Actually, I think in Obama's case, the media followed rather than led. Plus, Obama didn't win so much as McCain lost.

re: #231 jwpaine

Actually, I think in Obama's case, the media followed rather than led. Plus, Obama didn't win so much as McCain lost.

There's still only one President-elect and his name is not McCain.

I too date my coming to LGF to the throbbing memo. Though I came here before that every once in a while, my frequency increased in direct proportion to my disenchantment with news from nearly every other source. The throbbing memo is just so effective because it is SO CLEAR that the people who stick to their story in the face of reason wreck their credibility. (WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE AND DO THEY HAVE AN 80 IQ?)

In June 08, I canceled the local paper and the NYTIMES. After Ohio was called on Nov 4th, I turned off Fox News. The TV hasn't been on since except for NCIS reruns and HGTV home remodels. I'm heartsick.
I'm reading "Atlas Shrugged."

Dan Rather? Wasn't that the name of the madman in Network?

All this does is prove that the left cannot face reality. They don't want it to be true so they convince themselves it isn't. It's pathologcal denial. The rather scandal hurts their fantasy that the left is all that is good and pure--and hurts their self esteem by extension. They actually think they are superior to others simply because they are liberals/leftists.
Also on display is BDS. Bush is all that is evil in their twisted minds, so therefore it must be true! He can't be innocent of the accusation. He just can't. (moonbat off)

"Facing reality" is not an optimal strategy. If bald-faced lies aren't punished, and are frequently rewarded, one can expect more of the same behavior in future.

Asked about the assembly of the panel in a sworn deposition, Andrew Heyward, the former president of CBS News, acknowledged that he had wanted at least one member to sit well with conservatives: “CBS News, fairly or unfairly, had a reputation for liberal bias,” and “the harshest scrutiny was obviously going to come from the right.”

You don't say, shocking!

The MSM's constant conspiratorial denial of liberal bias has shifted from laughable to utterly pathetic and I still believe they see their denials as plausible in spite of a mountain range the size of the Himalayas of evidence to the contrary. In fact, this past election raised the elevation of real evidence to a height that would tower above say....Mt. Everest. Yet, the MSM follows the Democrat or liberals code of ethics in their defense, deny, deny, deny.

It's at least half-past time we realized the MSM is the enemy.
In respect to the whole 'freedom of the press' thing, there should be a footnote of further clarification to this or possibly a new Constitutional Amendment adding a new 'right' of the people to in effect be 'protected from the media' or maybe more accurately from a rogue media which refuses to report facts or to act in accordance with the universally accepted definition of journalism. Integrity should be a mandated requirement within this amendment and 'the people' should have the right to use bare knuckles or bare arms to protect themselves against such intrusions into their minds. The MSM might actually newly become a vital appendage of the people, for the people and by the people rather than against logic, reason and fact with such an amendment.

I know (as does the rest of the world) that the flippy memo gif image that originated on this web site was instrumental in debunking the TANG story. Since then, everyone on the left has been trying to rationalize that 'well, it could be real, they had typewriters that performed those functions back then'. Then they trod out all these typewriter repair experts from 1973 that state those options were available and they could make that document..

Well, has anyone gotten a hold of the IBM Model D or Olivetti typewriters and type out the exact memo to see if it aligns exactly with the Rather document, just like Charles did with the flipping gif? I have not seen any evidence from the left to show this, only testimony stating that it was possible. I'm sure there is a typewriter museum out there (someones basement?) where someone could get a document typed up to use for comparison. So until then, all the left has is a bunch of hot air, nothing substantial.

Even the secretary, Marian Knox, that reportedly typed this memo stated that she did not type that memo! Check out the Rather interviews. So anything the left states about validating the memo is moot, because the 'author' of the memo states she did not write it....

Fake But Accurate.....