Win the war.

Of course they didn't spare women and children- they treat their own like dogs, why would they be any kinder to those of the infidels'?

they are muslim jihaddis.... ....why is there any surprise that they murdered women and children.......

There is no honor in jihad.

over 150 bodies in the Taj alone, so the death toll is way above 200 now?

Someone expected them to?

Someone's deluuuuuuuuuuuuusional!

The hospital that these bastards targeted was a "Women's and Children's" hospital.

Ropma!

According to Zawahiri they are just involuntary martyrs.

One of the captured assholes begged for his life to be saved.....

Mumbai Terrorist: I Want To Live!

We said Kaddish today for all the people killed in Mumbai.......

a horrible tragedy beyond belief...but I wonder if what is mentioned in this artical sheds light on why it was so bad and took so long to get under control? maybe, maybe not...3rd paragraph from the bottom, apologies if this has already been posted in earlier threads..

[Link: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...]

re: #11 Killgore Trout
I have it on good advice that the ACLU, Ramsay Clark, Jimmah and a few others are already planning to take this case......
//

so how are the leftists going to explain this one away?

re: #11 Killgore Trout

fucking figures. his death should be as bad as can be devised.

two themes im sick of hearing,

moslem jihaddis killing girls

moslem apologists crying that if they just werent opressed thier fellow travelers wouldnt be forced to kill opressive schoolgirls.

re: #18 pegcity

Bush made them do it!

re: #11 Killgore Trout

One of the captured assholes begged for his life to be saved.....

Mumbai Terrorist: I Want To Live!

[self deleted]

Thank God the Rabbi's child survived...I have no doubt the terrorists would have shot him as well.

When have Mohammedans ever tried to spare the women and children? I'd say you can make a good case that the Mohammedans deliberately target the helpless (Leon Klinghoffer?) over fighting it out with the Military.

That's probably because little girls are usually tougher than the pusillanimous cowards that are the backbone of the Global Jihad.

I HAVE "FRIENDS" THAT BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT BUSH MADE THIS WAR ON TERROR UP - JUST SO HE COULD GET RICH - MAYBE THEY WILL BELIEVE WHEN THEY COME FOR THEM - OF COURSE THEY WILL HAVE TO GET BY ME AND MY COLT 1911!

[Link: www.yahoo.com...]

Witness said gunman smiled as he killed.

re: #18 pegcity

so how are the leftists going to explain this one away?

easy, just plug in a lot of quotes about violence only perpetuating violence, throw in a Gandhi reference, and close by saying that the only solution can come from giving the terrorists what they want, I mean negotiations

After all we know that the only reason terrorists kill people, is because the moderate terrorists haven't been appeased properly.

Start with Kashmir. Rinse and repeat.

re: #27 Sharmuta

he better have enjoyed that smile... ...he wont be smiling in hell.

We are raising a lot of stink by bombing the Jihadi camps in FATA and NWFP, but the ones near the Kashmir are probably resurrected by now, they need to be hit too. Last count was about 126 camps across Pockeestan.

re: #30 Iron Fist

*whack*

re: #30 Iron Fist
Black Jack's thoughts about pork greased bullets may be better.

re: #27 Sharmuta

[Link: www.yahoo.com...]

Witness said gunman smiled as he killed.

They smile while they kill the unarmed and women and children. Then they piss and moan if the food isn't seasoned just right in prison. I bet they ain't smiling when they encounter Marines. They are a bunch of adolescently minded cowards who feel like big guys when they can shoot innocent people who can't defend themselves.

Here's hoping the Indian authorities wipe the smiles off each and everyone of those bastards faces for hours on end.

This is no surprise, no extra horror. They've never spared women and children. In their demented minds, I'm sure the murder of women and children "proves" their commitment to holy war. This time they even invaded hospitals and murdered the sick and helpless.

It's now very simple, we kill them before they kill us.

re: #11 Killgore Trout

One of the captured assholes begged for his life to be saved.....

Mumbai Terrorist: I Want To Live!

Funny thing... so did all of their victims.

re: #19 gclaghorn

The Muslims were provoked!

/

Western arrogance and Bush.

The Jews did it.

Unrest due to global warming.

Contrail poisoning

The earth (Gaia) is pissed, and is cleansing herself.

This could have been avoided if the French, Germans, and Russia had been making money(Iraq reference)

YOUR COMMENT HERE

Another interesting post on Belmont, how the tactics used may be (partly) copied from newest US doctrines, available online.

re: #18 pegcity

so how are the leftists going to explain this one away?

Hindu Indians stole their land and mistreat them. Jews mistreat Palestinians. Crusaders started it all.

re: #36 displaced yankee

The only problem with that story is that it never really happened. One thing is for sure. We should never ever take Mohammedans prisoner again. There's no percentage in it.

re: #39 stevieray
Yes, but the victims are all dead.Yesterday's news. So now, we must concentrate on taking care of the rights of the accused. Dare I say suspects? I mean there was a photo of this dude out yesterday, where he was walking with his AK47 and the caption read "suspected". WTF!

What part of Surah 9:5 is unclear to these people ?

There is no exception made for gender or age, simply a commandment to slay the infidel wherever you may find them.

re: #47 displaced yankee

Yes, but the victims are all dead.Yesterday's news. So now, we must concentrate on taking care of the rights of the accused. Dare I say suspects? I mean there was a photo of this dude out yesterday, where he was walking with his AK47 and the caption read "suspected". WTF!

Well, you know how often young people armed with AK-47s just happen to innocently barge into a terrorist attack.

re: #38 Paul

This is no surprise, no extra horror. They've never spared women and children. In their demented minds, I'm sure the murder of women and children "proves" their commitment to holy war. This time they even invaded hospitals and murdered the sick and helpless.

It's now very simple, we kill them before they kill us.

Sadly, I think it's going to take so much more before the left and their fellow appeasers wake up. History will repeat itself.
Only after they give, give, give and innocent people are still being murdered will they finally realize that it's not about our "imperialism" or our "morals" or how mean we are to them or about how much we hurt their wittle feewings.
Then whoever is left with the giant mess 0bama has made will have to out-Churchill Churchill.

I just pray our homefront remains relatively safe, as it has for so long.

re: #48 Airborn Swine
Love your monicker! 82nd or 101st? Or rahter the proverbial when pigs have wings?

re: #27 Sharmuta

The Joy of Jihad.

re: #50 Wookieelips

Sadly, I think it's going to take so much more before the left and their fellow appeasers wake up. History will repeat itself.
Only after they give, give, give and innocent people are still being murdered will they finally realize that it's not about our "imperialism" or our "morals" or how mean we are to them or about how much we hurt their wittle feewings.
Then whoever is left with the giant mess 0bama has made will have to out-Churchill Churchill.

I just pray our homefront remains relatively safe, as it has for so long.

The appeasement crowd will only wake-up when something happens that affects their own interests. They're too selfish to respond effectively when it's people they don't know, even if it's their fellow Americans.

If the terrorists somehow affected the availability of lattes or nanny services, then we might see them get excited.

re: #51 displaced yankee

Proverbial Flying Pig, had to abandon a long beloved nick to gain this one, but it fits the spirit of the board much better. ;)

Extremist ideologies of all stripes are inhuman. In their view, the ends always justify the means.

I'm sick of their shit, and the political correctness that has allowed this radical ideology to hide within Islam. What a crock.

re: #54 livefreeor die
Hmmmmmm? We could declare jihad on Starbucks? "Death to au pairs!"

We've got a long way to go. I hope Obama is watching and understanding what he's up against.

I fell in with a bad crowd!
The other guys were the ringleaders!
I was doing it to pay for my mothers' operation!(Johnny Dangerously)

re: #52 Killgore Trout

The Joy of Jihad.

I bet some drinking songs in Antwerp would really nip that in the bud.

re: #59 DeathtotheSwiss

We've got a long way to go. I hope Obama is watching and understanding what he's up against.

He's certainly been exceptionally quiet for the last 48 hours. I haven't seen that stupid Office of the President Elect seal in the past two days.

He got the stick.

They target women and children believing we value life so highly as to live in dhimmitude over death.

The are right in that we value the lives of our women and children highly.

They make a two fatal error however. We value liberty above life itself. We also fight to live, they fight to die.

They have nothing to fight for but to die. We fight to live in liberty with our women and our children.

In the end there is no contest. Realize that we are not at the end, only the beginning.

That's enough of that crap.

re: #50 Wookieelips

We are likely to be attacked again. The fact that it has been this long since they last hit us indicates how well the shadow war is going. But that is all likely to change under Obama. Once we've closed Gitmo, and made sure we haven't violated any jihadi's right to speak with his al Qaeda den mother in Karachi free from government eavesdropping, I think that the jihadis will be able toget their feet back under them and go on the offensive again.

Hell, maybe that is the way to get the Democrats to give up on gun control: tell them that it violates jihadis' rights. we can't let that happen, now can we?

Deoband Sharia Law Council coming soon to the DC area.
[Link: www.darululoommaryland.com...]

If it is true armed police did not advance and fire, their commanders and trainers should all the tried.

re: #63 MandyManners

He got the stick.

I missed 'em all what was the nic?

Not to be flippant, but quelle surprise that they spared no one, killing men, women, and children.

They are terrorists. That's what they do.

......and the top excuse, by a poor excuse for a human being;

"I didn't know the gun was loaded!"

re: #63 MandyManners

He got the stick.

Was wondering when that was going to happen.

re: #18 pegcity

so how are the leftists going to explain this one away?

They will not be able to explain it away, they will minimize it, rationalize about it, and eventually ignore it.

re: #59 DeathtotheSwiss

We've got a long way to go. I hope Obama is watching and understanding what he's up against.

I read briefly on fox, president- eject obamo is keeping Gates....libs are pissed.

re: #62 livefreeor die
He's waiting for the dust to settle while he finishes Prof. Billy Jeff's course in political triangulation.

That person registered a second account, by the way.

re: #66 Iron Fist

Hell, maybe that is the way to get the Democrats to give up on gun control: tell them that it violates jihadis' rights. we can't let that happen, now can we?

Tru dat

re: #59 DeathtotheSwiss

We've got a long way to go. I hope Obama is watching and understanding what he's up against.

Nothing a little diplomacy can't handle, right?
/

re: #69 jcm

I missed 'em all what was the nic?

Claghorn.

re: #76 Charles

That person registered a second account, by the way.

Not anymore I take it.

re: #72 CynicalConservative

Was wondering when that was going to happen.

Spotted him a while ago.

re: #79 MandyManners

Claghorn.

I've seen it a few times, pretty marginal all the time IIC.

re: #42 itellu3times

Another interesting post on Belmont, how the tactics used may be (partly) copied from newest US doctrines, available online.

Your author quotes SLA Marshall appropriately. I hope he writes more in the future.

Give each and every one of them the benefit of due process of law. We mustn't sink to their level.

re: #76 Charles

That person registered a second account, by the way.

May we know the sock or has it not posted?

re: #81 MandyManners

Spotted him a while ago.

I haven't been paying close attention. In general terms, what did you spot him as?

re: #75 displaced yankee

He's waiting for the dust to settle while he finishes Prof. Billy Jeff's course in political triangulation.

Is that the one where you learn multiple definitions for the word "is"? Also, the importance of expedient dry cleaning?

Spare women and children?

They target women and children.

re: #7 Pvt Bin Jammin

The hospital that these bastards targeted was a "Women's and Children's" hospital.

Exactly.

300 feared dead- piles of bodies found.

re: #13 moogie

We said Kaddish today for all the people killed in Mumbai.......

KADDISH - An English Translation

Extolled and hallowed be the name of God throughout the world which He has created, and which He governs according to His righteous will. Just is He in all His ways, and wise are all His decrees. May His kingdom come, and His will be done in all the earth.

Blessed be the Lord of life, the righteous Judge for evermore.

To the departed whom we now remember, may peace and bliss be granted in the world of eternal life. There may they find grace and mercy before the Lord of heaven and earth. May their souls rejoice in that ineffable good which God has laid up for those that fear Him, and may their memory be a blessing unto those that cherish it.

May the Father of peace send peace to all troubled souls, and comfort all the bereaved among us. AMEN.

If these so-called men, so-called human beings had any honor whatsoever they would declare war on their enemies, field an army, put on uniforms and fight like real men. Instead they go around executing unarmed school girls and old women. That tells you all you need to know about their so-called bravery, heroism, honor. Pathetic. Disgusting. Words fail. I wish I were young enough to join the army so that I could kill them in a fair fight.

re: #59 DeathtotheSwiss

We've got a long way to go. I hope Obama is watching and understanding what he's up against.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH......{breathe....} HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Can we finally get around to killing the bastards?

re: #91 FrogMarch

300 feared dead- piles of bodies found.

I hope a lot of Bush haters made the connection between Mumbai, Thanksgiving, and the last 7 years in America.

re: #91 FrogMarch

Meanwhile, the former head of Britain's SAS has revealed that Britain is not adequately prepared for a Mumbai-style terror attack. He said hundreds of civilians would have been massacred if such an assault was carried out in this country.

Almost sounds like an invitation.

re: #86 Dianna

I haven't been paying close attention. In general terms, what did you spot him as?

Often-banned person.

re: #92 ColdPizza

KADDISH - An English Translation

Extolled and hallowed be the name of God throughout the world which He has created, and which He governs according to His righteous will. Just is He in all His ways, and wise are all His decrees. May His kingdom come, and His will be done in all the earth.

Blessed be the Lord of life, the righteous Judge for evermore.

To the departed whom we now remember, may peace and bliss be granted in the world of eternal life. There may they find grace and mercy before the Lord of heaven and earth. May their souls rejoice in that ineffable good which God has laid up for those that fear Him, and may their memory be a blessing unto those that cherish it.

May the Father of peace send peace to all troubled souls, and comfort all the bereaved among us. AMEN.

And Amein

re: #97 J.D.

Almost sounds like an invitation.

Seriously, why not just put out the welcome mat?

re: #93 pleaseandthankyou

They aren't warriors, and we should never make the mistake of treating them like they are warriors again. The Geneva Convention just doesn't apply. Time to treat them like they deserve to be treated.

ho man..

Those rescued included a British couple who were among a group of six people who hid for six hours in a toilet cubicle at the Taj Mahal Palace hotel. At one stage, the terrorists searched the darkened area with a torch but did not see or hear them huddled together.

Somewhere tonight in some sess pool, is a bunch of these lunatics celebrating the killing of children and woman.

As far as Im concerned "The gloves are now Off"

Maybe I should join the "JDL"?

re: #97 J.D.

Almost sounds like an invitation.

An invitation to issue assault weapons to every able bodied person.
/if they was smart that is.

re: #98 MandyManners

OBP

re: #102 FrogMarch

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "pucker factor", doesn't it?

re: #97 J.D.

Almost sounds like an invitation.

I thought that too. truth be told - is any city anywhere ready? Hotels are easy targets.

I wasn't able to attend our counter-protest today, but a fellow activist of the SFV4I told me that they honored those murdered with signs of support.

I usually feel anger first and later sadness but this time around, upon viewing the pictures, I felt nothing but sadness. It took a day before the rage really boiled within me. I want the US govt to actively pursue the cells in the US. I want these sleepers rooted out. I want them gone.

re: #100 livefreeor die

Seriously, why not just put out the welcome mat?

I believe he did.

Did they spare the liberals?

re: #100 livefreeor die

Seriously, why not just put out the welcome mat?

they already have. bonnie prince chuck rolls it out and sweeps it off all the time.

re: #105 J.D.

OBP

Nicer abbreviation than I had in mind.

re: #107 FrogMarch

I thought that too. truth be told - is any city anywhere ready? Hotels are easy targets.

Reminds me of the sudden jihad syndrome Egyptian, decided to shoot up the El Al terminal at LAX a couple of years back. That lasted about twenty seconds.

Just got news that a friend of my daughter gave birth to a baby girl on Friday--named Rivkah after the young Jewish woman killed in Mumbai.

re: #37 livefreeor die

They smile while they kill the unarmed and women and children. Then they piss and moan if the food isn't seasoned just right in prison. I bet they ain't smiling when they encounter Marines. They are a bunch of adolescently minded cowards who feel like big guys when they can shoot innocent people who can't defend themselves.

Here's hoping the Indian authorities wipe the smiles off each and everyone of those bastards faces for hours on end.

There's some perspective, there. Just so I won't be deleted, I'll just say, "That makes me mad." (See my avatar) I believe the essential fuel for this behavior is that they believe they are victims, and anything they do is justified. I think we can thank our own media and politicians for this. They have "righteous anger" and they have found a way to connect the dots to anyone they want, like most ideologically driven actions. I have connected a few dots of my own, as you can see.

re: #98 MandyManners

Often-banned person.

Oh. What a weird behavior.

I pray that Obama realizes that this enemy will not respond to diplomacy.

I pray for a really big miracle that the fanatics change their hearts and we avoid serving them their huge death wish.

This brewing battle is the biggest mess I can see on the horizon & it does not seem we can put it off forever.

re: #112 Spider Mensch

they already have. bonnie prince chuck rolls it out and sweeps it off all the time.

Let's hope William is made of sterner stuff.

The ideology that propels people to commit such horrendous slaughters needs to be condemned by all.

Unfortunately, we have learned that a hot item in Indonesia is a ringtone with a song by one of the terrorists who carried out the horrendous bombing in Bali. The ideology that propels normal people to idolize those who carry out horrendous slaughters needs to be condemned by all.

This is NOT caused by poverty or lack of education. There is a vast multitude of poor people that does not engage in either of these: the deliberate slaughter of innocent people, and the idolization of terrorists. And there is a vast multitude of people who are not so well educated, and they don't engage in either of these.

The driving force is the notion of the global jihad, developed as an aggressive concept by Qutb and others, and shaped into terroristic warfare or any kind of warfare by modern people admiring terrorism and people for whom the end justifies the means, and molded by twentieth century fascist and nazi ideas of an absolute drive for power and the dehumanization of innocent people who are targeted for massacre as a means to achieve power.

This evil ideology is not the same as Islam, because there are Muslims who refuse to have any part of it. But like a virus it lodges itself in parts of the Muslim community, and it spreads within the Muslim community, and it needs the Muslim community to thrive and spread and to be cultivated and to turn people into rabid monsters that have lost their essentially human traits, and justify all manner of evil in the name of the Global Jihad or its components.

re: #114 itellu3times

Reminds me of the sudden jihad syndrome Egyptian, decided to shoot up the El Al terminal at LAX a couple of years back. That lasted about twenty seconds.

Darwin in action.

re: #115 Alouette

Just got news that a friend of my daughter gave birth to a baby girl on Friday--named Rivkah after the young Jewish woman killed in Mumbai.

Oh, how sweet.

re: #101 Iron Fist

Well, the way things are going the DOD will be assigning as lawyer to accomapny every combat person. When the soldier sees a target he can then turn to the lawyer and request permission to fire. The lawyer can then contact the Pentagon and determine if firing is, perhaps, allowed under the terms of reciprocity, etc..................

Another "Deletion Nebula". Will they ever learn?

May these murderers rot in the deepest recesses of the places they most fear.

re: #104 jcm

An invitation to issue assault weapons to every able bodied person.
/if they was smart that is.

Guns are evil. We need to give them up for our own good. We can trust those who wish to disarm us. 911 was an inside job carried out by our own government and they need to take our guns away to make us safe.

I hope you understand. It's for your own good.

re: #104 jcm

An invitation to issue assault weapons to every able bodied person.
/if they was smart that is.

That in itself is a scary thought.
These "people" need to be hunted down like the animals they are.

re: #117 Dianna

Oh. What a weird behavior.

Yep.

re: #107 FrogMarch

I thought that too. truth be told - is any city anywhere ready? Hotels are easy targets.

So we have seen.
Makes you think.

OT - this is my first time back since Thanksgiving, hope everyone had a good one!

The last two terrorists were taken out on the first floor. Indian forces threw grenades at them from four different directions and then shot and killed them.

I wonder how much remained after the grenades.

re: #110 father_of_10

Did they spare the liberals?

Great question.

Where's the outrage? I mean, from any Muslim.

These filthy dogs are BIG FIGHTERS against unarmed women and children, but the ONE captured live had a bullet in his HAND, and whimpered for them not to kill him!

What abject cowardice these Muslims show!

re: #124 displaced yankee

Well, the way things are going the DOD will be assigning as lawyer to accomapny every combat person. When the soldier sees a target he can then turn to the lawyer and request permission to fire. The lawyer can then contact the Pentagon and determine if firing is, perhaps, allowed under the terms of reciprocity, etc..................

I think that's pretty much the way it is now. In Iraq, at least.

Driving my poor hubby nuts. He spots the IEDs and the trigger men, but can only call the ground guys who call the Iraqi cops.
At least the IEDs get neutralized.

re: #113 MandyManners

Nicer abbreviation than I had in mind.

I know what you had in mind!

re: #95 orfannkyl

Can we finally get around to killing the bastards?

We have been killing them. There's a reason why they're attacking India and not Kansas City.

re: #127 J.D.

That in itself is a scary thought.
These "people" need to be hunted down like the animals they are.

Works in Switzerland and Israel. Crime with legally held weapons is vanishingly rare, even in this country.

re: #130 bosforus

Yes, a good one, with my family, and did not hear all the details of this mess until I got back.

We have a lot to be thankful for in the USA.

re: #106 Iron Fist

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "pucker factor", doesn't it?

indeed. and breath holding...

re: #111 taxfreekiller

from a window of a hut filled with
women and children of the local men on your side

But often from the window of a hut filled with their own wives and children. And still we hesitate to return fire.

Their entire strategy rests on the knowledge that we have more decency than they do.

re: #133 Yishai

Where's the outrage? I mean, from any Muslim.

They are outraged that the Jew baby got away.

re: #135 Wookieelips
Been there, done that.

re: #132 J.D.

Great question.

Terrible question. Jihadists don't discriminate. They'll kill anyone who opposes them. ANYONE. Get it?

I'm signing off. I've been writing all day and I'm drained.

Someone owes me dinner!

re: #133 Yishai

Where's the outrage? I mean, from any Muslim.

Another great question.

re: #120 MandyManners

Let's hope William is made of sterner stuff.

he does seem like a head on straight type of young man, but do they have time to wait for him? the clock is ticking in th UK. the alarm is set at 2400 and its about 2358 imho.

re: #124 displaced yankee

Yeah, I'd almost rather take my risks of being a Merc than to be subject to the misshapen abortion that the UCMJ has become. It's not like the jihadis can cut your head off twice, is it? Especially when you know that Murthafucker will cut the balls off of troops in the field to placate the far left fringe of his Party.

re: #142 Alouette

They are outraged that the Jew baby got away.

It would be good if they could bring the nanny who rescued the child over to care for the babe, at least that's someone familiar to him.

re: #123 MandyManners

Oh, how sweet.

Thats really nice!

You know the hostages in the Chabbad were bound and gagged before being shot, but one of the hostages was allowed to wrap the victims in prayer shawls first? I read that on jpost. (very small comfort). It must have been just so horrifically terrorizing...

re: #144 eclectic infidel

Terrible question. Jihadists don't discriminate. They'll kill anyone who opposes them. ANYONE. Get it?

Yes.

I got it quite a while ago, actually.

This is one of these times when I wish I had not been right mates. I saw from the beginning that these guys were the nastiest yet, and I take no pleasure that my initial prediction of 300 plus killed will be correct. My heart and prayers are out for all who have lost loved ones in this horrible event. I also pray that some good may come out of this, all though I cannot say how. Didn't some Paki terrorists raid the indian legislature 5 or 6 years back and kill a lot of legislatures?

re: #139 Ojoe

Yes, a good one, with my family, and did not hear all the details of this mess until I got back.

We have a lot to be thankful for in the USA.

Indeed we do. To say that it's mostly taken for granted is an understatement of immense proportions. But the fact that it is taken for granted is a testament unto itself.

re: #133 Yishai

What, did someone "racially" profile a jihadi terrorist? Contact the ACLU!

re: #134 Karridine

These filthy dogs are BIG FIGHTERS against unarmed women and children, but the ONE captured live had a bullet in his HAND, and whimpered for them not to kill him!

What abject cowardice these Muslims show!

And, he begged for a saline drip!

re: #144 eclectic infidel

uh.. that was the point father of 10 was trying to make. duh.

I wonder how many Muslims, when being recruited to take part in these evil acts, look at their recruiters and say, "Are you nuts?! I'm not doing that to innocent people! You people have lost your minds. If Allah want's me to do this kind of thing, he can kiss my ass!."

Just wondering. I hope it is a lot.

re: #84 ClosetConservative

Give each and every one of them the benefit of due process of law. We mustn't sink to their level.

For it is BY our respect for law, for the Constitution, that we show by striving for justice, every time with every alleged perpetrator having a personal representative of the President there as an officer of the Court, that we ARE better than the bullet-to-the-head swine that infest these grisly attack scenes!

re: #131 solomonpanting

The last two terrorists were taken out on the first floor. Indian forces threw grenades at them from four different directions and then shot and killed them.

I wonder how much remained after the grenades.

Looked to me like the grenades were something like the 25mm variety fired in, not thrown. Weird video, Indian soldier fired the weapon, then rolled away from it like he expected instant counterfire, or maybe that's doctrine, I dunno.

re: #153 bosforus

You may thank the rifles in the hands of millions of good people that this kind of mess cannot happen here, nor a real tyranny ever be established.

BBL

re: #138 jcm

Works in Switzerland and Israel. Crime with legally held weapons is vanishingly rare, even in this country.

Good.

re: #136 J.D.

I know what you had in mind!

I'll refrain from posting it.

re: #152 LoFlyer

Yeah. I wonder what India is going to do "if" this tracks back to the ISI? The Pakis have nukes, but, then again, so do the Indians.

re: #145 Dianna

I'm signing off. I've been writing all day and I'm drained.

Someone owes me dinner!

Sweet dreams!

re: #157 buzzsawmonkey

You may take it that the root cause is Satan.

re: #156 pleaseandthankyou

uh.. that was the point father of 10 was trying to make. duh.

Well slap my ass and call me Sally. On a third read around, I get that now.

*does happy dance in chair*

re: #114 itellu3times

Reminds me of the sudden jihad syndrome Egyptian, decided to shoot up the El Al terminal at LAX a couple of years back. That lasted about twenty seconds.

We need more good guys with guns. Ready to stand on that wall.

re: #137 Charles

There's a reason why they're attacking India and not Kansas City.

But Charles, what's really in place to stop them should they start to hit us at home? Hotel security? I understand the good fight our intel guys and the military are putting up in the battlefield, but our homeland is not secure at all, should any crazies get the wherewithall for an attack.

Besides the brave police forces, I think a last line of defense is the armed citizen.

re: #142 Alouette

And what a brave woman (Sandra?) who rescued the toddler.

re: #150 ColdPizza

Thats really nice!

You know the hostages in the Chabbad were bound and gagged before being shot, but one of the hostages was allowed to wrap the victims in prayer shawls first? I read that on jpost. (very small comfort). It must have been just so horrifically terrorizing...

I read it was her husband that did it.

The satanic evil fuck who was captured decided that he wants to live.

I'm OK with that. String him up by his ankles instead of by his neck.

re: #164 Iron Fist

Yeah. I wonder what India is going to do "if" this tracks back to the ISI? The Pakis have nukes, but, then again, so do the Indians.

Click you nic. Makes me so sad.

I see gclaghorn posted 300 plus comments in two days, crowed on another thread about his karma being over 100 and got the stick here.

Was this his 15 minutes of fame?

re: #169 Yishai

But Charles, what's really in place to stop them should they start to hit us at home? Hotel security? I understand the good fight our intel guys and the military are putting up in the battlefield, but our homeland is not secure at all, should any crazies get the wherewithall for an attack.

Besides the brave police forces, I think a last line of defense is the armed citizen.

Won't a hearty Kum-bay-yah do it?

re: #137 Charles

We have been killing them. There's a reason why they're attacking India and not Kansas City.

That reason will vanish on 20-Jan-2009.

re: #164 Iron Fist

Yeah. I wonder what India is going to do "if" this tracks back to the ISI? The Pakis have nukes, but, then again, so do the Indians.

india wins the land war in days, pakistan returns with nukes, india retaliates, pakistan ceases to exist, several indian cities are destroyed.

re: #137 Charles

We have been killing them. There's a reason why they're attacking India and not Kansas City.

I hope and pray it stays that way, but I seriously doubt it will.
A lot of people seem to have short memories.

On Wikpedia Charles is referred to as a "righteous Gentile".
For the record Charles as a "Jew" Ive never liked the word "Gentile". As far as I'm concerned you are a "righteous Jew"..
God Bless you and this Website.

re: #169 Yishai

Besides the brave police forces, I think a last line of defense is the armed citizen.

I could be at my kid's school, armed, in about 5 minutes.

BBL

re: #174 jorline

I see gclaghorn posted 300 plus comments in two days, crowed on another thread about his karma being over 100 and got the stick here.

Was this his 15 minutes of fame?

What kind of posts was he/she making? I got here late.

re: #159 Karridine

For it is BY our respect for law, for the Constitution, that we show by striving for justice, every time with every alleged perpetrator having a personal representative of the President there as an officer of the Court, that we ARE better than the bullet-to-the-head swine that infest these grisly attack scenes!

I must disagree.

We agree amongst ourselves that we will behave according to certain rules. We even attempt to have rules for war, like the wearing of uniforms, and at least some attempt to spare civilians. When these rules are violated - even targeted - we are under no compulsion to extend them to our adversaries. The rules were not made for such use, and it is often idiotic to overextend them in that way.

I can’t always relate to those who are different than me. But that doesn’t mean I want to slaughter them or hate them. I’ve always loved men; I couldn’t always relate (men are difficult for women to understand), and some I’ve loved, some I didn’t like, but didn’t want to kill any of them. Same with some women and some little kiddies and teenagers who were real pains, but death for them, NO. I can’t always relate to those with homosexual desires, but knew many, liked quite a few, but never found a reason to stomp them out for their different ways. Most all of the above were quite decent and harmless.

But for these vermin, who would kill, maim and destroy for no reasonable purpose, for no accomplishment except for the lust of the killing, who prove nothing to the rest of humanity or for any legitimate cause, prey upon the week and disadvantaged, have no souls, I have no use. I learned a long time ago that one does not hate the sinner, one hates the sin. I hate that which motivates these sinners to commit their filthy acts. I hate the ideology, power mongering, and filthy spirituality that breeds their actions. And that’s okay. No guilt on my part. But I will defend myself, arm my spirit with the decency that they cannot comprehend and never, ever, cave to them.

re: #174 jorline

Seemed monster cool too. Sigh. Glad I didn't even see what got his ass tased.

re: #179 ColdPizza

All good people are seamlessly connected at the deepest level.

re: #172 Alouette

The satanic evil fuck who was captured decided that he wants to live.

I'm OK with that. String him up by his ankles instead of by his neck.

There's the Luca Brasi-start-at-the feet-and-work-your-way-up method of making one talk.

re: #174 jorline

I see gclaghorn posted 300 plus comments in two days, crowed on another thread about his karma being over 100 and got the stick here.

Was this his 15 minutes of fame?

ROFLMAO! He'll probably bitch about it in his stalker blog.

re: #171 MandyManners

I read it was her husband that did it.

That makes sense it was most likely the Rabbi. He was only 29 and she was 26.

re: #169 Yishai

Besides the brave police forces, I think a last line of defense is the armed citizen.

The first thing they do is take away the guns.

re: #183 Grandma

I can’t always relate to those who are different than me. But that doesn’t mean I want to slaughter them or hate them. I’ve always loved men; I couldn’t always relate (men are difficult for women to understand), and some I’ve loved, some I didn’t like, but didn’t want to kill any of them. Same with some women and some little kiddies and teenagers who were real pains, but death for them, NO. I can’t always relate to those with homosexual desires, but knew many, liked quite a few, but never found a reason to stomp them out for their different ways. Most all of the above were quite decent and harmless.

But for these vermin, who would kill, maim and destroy for no reasonable purpose, for no accomplishment except for the lust of the killing, who prove nothing to the rest of humanity or for any legitimate cause, prey upon the week and disadvantaged, have no souls, I have no use. I learned a long time ago that one does not hate the sinner, one hates the sin. I hate that which motivates these sinners to commit their filthy acts. I hate the ideology, power mongering, and filthy spirituality that breeds their actions. And that’s okay. No guilt on my part. But I will defend myself, arm my spirit with the decency that they cannot comprehend and never, ever, cave to them.

I wish I could give this multiple updings!

re: #186 buzzsawmonkey

They gave in, he took over.

re: #93 pleaseandthankyou

If these so-called men, so-called human beings had any honor whatsoever they would declare war on their enemies, field an army, put on uniforms and fight like real men. Instead they go around executing unarmed school girls and old women. That tells you all you need to know about their so-called bravery, heroism, honor. Pathetic. Disgusting. Words fail. I wish I were young enough to join the army so that I could kill them in a fair fight.

Well said. I updinged you. Yet at the same time we cannot ignore facts about this enemy.

They will NEVER wear uniforms.
They will NEVER declare war.
They will NEVER field an army.
They will ALWAYS target women and children.

The structural construction and ideological basis of this enemy remains Arabian tribalism.

re: #172 Alouette

The satanic evil fuck who was captured decided that he wants to live.

I'm OK with that. String him up by his ankles instead of by his neck.

It will be interesting to see what happens to him.

re: #147 Spider Mensch

he does seem like a head on straight type of young man, but do they have time to wait for him? the clock is ticking in th UK. the alarm is set at 2400 and its about 2358 imho.

Maybe his granny will give up the throne for him.

re: #174 jorline

I see gclaghorn posted 300 plus comments in two days, crowed on another thread about his karma being over 100 and got the stick here.

Was this his 15 minutes of fame?

The way he came in -- like gangbusters -- and the ease of his conversations made me think he's been in here before.

for those of you who missed this
what happens when these creeps take on REAL soldiers
250 taliban vs 30 marines
guess who won?

re: #167 eclectic infidel

Hi Sally :o)

Must walk.
Take care.

re: #193 experiencedtraveller

Well said. I updinged you. Yet at the same time we cannot ignore facts about this enemy.

They will NEVER wear uniforms.
They will NEVER declare war.
They will NEVER field an army.
They will ALWAYS target women and children.

The structural construction and ideological basis of this enemy remains Arabian tribalism.

This really made me think-
When do we demand that they start respecting our culture?

[self-delete]

re: #164 Iron Fist

Yeah. I wonder what India is going to do "if" this tracks back to the ISI? The Pakis have nukes, but, then again, so do the Indians.

The Paki's are cleaning up ISI, unfortunately they are way too late mate. The Paki's have a lot of explaining to do and I ma not sure if India will believe them even if they are speaking the truth. Too many lies and too much killing. That both sides have nukes should keep war-hawks on both sides relegated to the side lines. Steady nerves and good hearts are needed on both sides to avoid a war.

re: #154 Iron Fist

What, did someone "racially" profile a jihadi terrorist? Contact the ACLU!

Heh, good point. There were actually a few Brits! How cheeky of me!

Their actions compel me to study war, which I am loathe to do.
But, study it, I shall. Prepare for it, I must. Wage it, I may have to.

re: #194 J.D.

It will be interesting to see what happens to him.

someone posted before it will be much more then "water Boarding".
The sad thing is, these practices need to be in place to gather information so we can protect the innocent.. the Terrorists aren't human anyways..

re: #182 itellu3times

You inferred that I was advocating extending OUR rule of American law TO the terrorist swine. I was not. I agree with you, 3times.

I was saying only that WE, in America, strive for justice... NOT that we should extend to those outside America and America's foundations and requirements any pale application of 'American law' without those foundations.

Leave that for the Universal House of Justice.

Idiotic LLL always wondering what "greater evil" must have happened to drive otherwise good people to these acts of evil.

Attention LLL. There are no root causes. Nothing justifies these acts. There are just some people in the world who are evil. Period.

re: #180 Ojoe

I could be at my kid's school, armed, in about 5 minutes.

BBL

Good. Me too.

re: #201 livefreeor die

This really made me think-
When do we demand that they start respecting our culture?

Yes, I missed all the articles in the Arab papers worried to death over the feelings in the "Western Street."

In a star track kinda world the Terrorists would be considered "the Borg" or worse.

re: #193 experiencedtraveller

Well said. I updinged you. Yet at the same time we cannot ignore facts about this enemy.

They will NEVER wear uniforms.
They will NEVER declare war.
They will NEVER field an army.
They will ALWAYS target women and children.

The structural construction and ideological basis of this enemy remains Arabian tribalism.

Their actions demonstrate a declaration of war and their army operates in the shadows until the time comes to strike. The lack of uniforms allows them the blend in easily and their tactics are always for maximum effect - thus the indiscriminate killing of women and children. Tribal they are, but they're no longer the simple sheep herders and strife-ridden factions. They are armed, they are organized and it's best that they are not written off as "agents of satan" or "men without honor." Don't fall into the trap of writing them off as mere barbarians who don't worship the same god as you do.

re: #207 Karridine

Hey Karridine,
were you the one that had the links about the obama lawsuits?
is tuesday the big day for some kind of ruling?

re: #169 Yishai

As a general rule, the cops aren't going to be able to stop this kind of thing from happening. Cops can't be everywhere at once, and the jihadis will just have to make sure that they aren't around when hostilities commence. That's not a difficult task.

Since the jihadis are willing to risk death to carry out the mission, the only practical line of resistance from the beginning is armed citizens that are willing to step up and fight back.

The cops can clean up the mess when they get there.

re: #211 ColdPizza

In a star track kinda world the Terrorists would be considered "the Borg" or worse.

A Borg-Klingon.

re: #193 experiencedtraveller

You would think they would have SOME kind of code of honor about warfare, even if it is tribalism. I guess not.

BTW, how long must we endure the brain dead talking heads like David Gregoire, who this very night, wracked his brain, for the WHY of it all. And WHO are this mysterious Decca Mujahadeen? And WHY did they target the Jews, who are such a small part of the Indian population?

The man is such a damn dunce.

Hey, David, here is CLUE, maybe pay attention to what the frikkin' terrorists SAY are their damned objectives. Because, they are tending to FOLLOW UP on what they say and write, you moron.

re: #189 ColdPizza

That makes sense it was most likely the Rabbi. He was only 29 and she was 26.

Oh, so young!

re: #181 eclectic infidel

What kind of posts was he/she making? I got here late.

I missed them as well, but he left a delete trail...enough said...lol

re: #205 rawmuse

Their actions compel me to study war, which I am loathe to do.

My goodness, why?

Chess and go. Fencing and karate. Tactics and strategy. Battle and subterfuge. Diplomacy and negotiation. Mahan and Machiavelli. Swordsmen and berserkers. Cavalry and pikemen.

Fascinating stuff.

And useful, too.

re: #196 stevieray

The way he came in -- like gangbusters -- and the ease of his conversations made me think he's been in here before.

Oh, yeah. You nailed it.

re: #184 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seemed monster cool too. Sigh. Glad I didn't even see what got his ass tased.

Agree, FVB.

re: #174 jorline

I see gclaghorn posted 300 plus comments in two days, crowed on another thread about his karma being over 100 and got the stick here.

Was this his 15 minutes of fame?

Was this his 15 minutes of flame?

Fixed......

re: #215 Iron Fist

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They went to India for the jihad because Afghanistan and Iraq are too dangerous.

re: #194 J.D.

It will be interesting to see what happens to him.

I'm wondering what's happening to him now, making him so eager to spill the beans.

re: #205 rawmuse

Read "The Gathering Storm" by Winston Churchill.

re: #215 Iron Fist

the only practical line of resistance from the beginning is armed citizens that are willing to step up and fight back.

Yeah. Unfortunately, Israel has learned that lesson, and countless lives have been saved there by the courageous actions of a caring (and armed) bystander.

I have a hunch Rashid Rauf's brother Tayib was involved in this somehow.

re: #183 Grandma

I can’t always relate to those who are different than me. But that doesn’t mean I want to slaughter them or hate them. I’ve always loved men; I couldn’t always relate (men are difficult for women to understand), and some I’ve loved, some I didn’t like, but didn’t want to kill any of them. Same with some women and some little kiddies and teenagers who were real pains, but death for them, NO. I can’t always relate to those with homosexual desires, but knew many, liked quite a few, but never found a reason to stomp them out for their different ways. Most all of the above were quite decent and harmless.

But for these vermin, who would kill, maim and destroy for no reasonable purpose, for no accomplishment except for the lust of the killing, who prove nothing to the rest of humanity or for any legitimate cause, prey upon the week and disadvantaged, have no souls, I have no use. I learned a long time ago that one does not hate the sinner, one hates the sin. I hate that which motivates these sinners to commit their filthy acts. I hate the ideology, power mongering, and filthy spirituality that breeds their actions. And that’s okay. No guilt on my part. But I will defend myself, arm my spirit with the decency that they cannot comprehend and never, ever, cave to them.

Grandma, they are on a mission from Allah. This is what they have indoctrinated and trained for. As much as the left loves to bleat about US marines being "baby killers" when they have never done anything like that, by the same token they refuse to acknowledge the truly evil and inhumanity of their favorite icons like Sadaam, Kim Jong II, and all the rest who do kill women and children.
/US marines=baby killers, Al Quaada=benign Islamic reformers

re: #208 Silhouette

Idiotic LLL always wondering what "greater evil" must have happened to drive otherwise good people to these acts of evil.

Attention LLL. There are no root causes. Nothing justifies these acts. There are just some people in the world who are evil. Period.

Yes, in some cases, but with Muslims there IS a group of people (clergy, mullahs and imams) who do NOT want God to be democratized and so seek to maintain their strangle-hold on the hearts and minds of Muslims who might otherwise turn in obedience toward the al-Qaim and the al-Mahdi (1844, 1853).

Can't have that now, can we? Equality of men and women? Oneness of humankind? NO! Muslims uber alles! God Dominates (allah'u'akbar!)

re: #221 itellu3times

I would rather practice my long tones.
But, hey, if they want to make me go to the range, and practice with weaponry, these things I shall do. And more.

re: #225 Silhouette

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

And SWAT, HRT, or DELTA are even farther.........

re: #24 Iron Fist

When have Mohammedans ever tried to spare the women and children? I'd say you can make a good case that the Mohammedans deliberately target the helpless (Leon Klinghoffer?) over fighting it out with the Military.

That's probably because little girls are usually tougher than the pusillanimous cowards that are the backbone of the Global Jihad.

'Different levels, different devils.' Is it possible that the trainers and recruiters actually consider these punk-ass murderers disposable? There might be fighters of a whole different order of ferocity and courage waiting in the wings. Or is the tactic of guerrilla terror so effective as to topple nation-states without engaging standing armies. It sometimes seems we are in the midst of a revolutionary cycle the conduct of war, similar to the change in technology and tactics that took place after the First World War.

CAIR -

The Washington-based group also asked the Indian government to protect all its citizens from the type of retaliatory attacks that have taken place following similar incidents in the recent past.

Same old, same old

re: #188 MandyManners

ROFLMAO! He'll probably bitch about it in his stalker blog.

lol...sad, but true.

re: #207 Karridine

OK, glad that's clear and we agree.

re: #227 reine.de.tout

I'm wondering what's happening to him now, making him so eager to spill the beans.

He's a fucking wimp.

re: #227 reine.de.tout

I'm pretty sure he is currently singing soprano.

re: #214 rain of lead

Guilty as charged, Rain! California state (Keyes) and Justice Souter, re Berg: Show proof of citizenship or step away from the White House!

re: #226 swamprat

They went to India for the jihad because Afghanistan and Iraq are too dangerous.

Rumors are that some were Brits.

This speaks well of protective measures in Britain, because they had to travel to India to attack 'westerners.' Surely, 'westerners' are more thick on the vine, as it were, in England et al. But perhaps not as accessible or unprotected.

re: #237 jorline

lol...sad, but true.

Or, maybe too ashamed to admit he got banned.

re: #137 Charles

We have been killing them. There's a reason why they're attacking India and not Kansas City.

Excellent point.

Side issue - I keep thinking of how the serial rapist/killer, Richard Ramirez, was apprehended. He got the tar beaten out of him in East L.A. by regular American citizens who stepped up, even though Ramirez had a gun and they didn't.

When Ramirez tried to steal a guy's car, the guy grabbed him by the neck and held on - the car hit a pole.

Ramirez tried to steal another car. The driver's husband came at him with a metal rod. A guy called the cops and sent his sons after Ramirez. These guys (the husband and the two sons) chased Ramirez, beat him into the ground, and held him until the cops arrived.

Basically, that's what I expect from Americans.

Another example - years ago, I lived in DC. As I came out of the Safeway one day, there was a crazy guy in the parking lot, trying to break into a lady's house. Men who just happened to be there (about eight or ten of them), surrounded the raving lunatic and kept him at bay until the cops arrived.

I realize these guys were sneaky, armed, and trained, but I keep wondering if it would have initially gone down differently in a U.S. city - right at the start, before the authorities could get there. Just a thought.

re: #196 stevieray

The way he came in -- like gangbusters -- and the ease of his conversations made me think he's been in here before.

Yep...there's another one also. I always wonder about the hatchlings that learn their way around LFG so quickly.

re: #213 eclectic infidel

Don't fall into the trap of writing them off as mere barbarians who don't worship the same god as you do.

I understand they are not simple barbarians.

re: #155 MandyManners

And, he begged for a saline drip!

If he's not the epitome of a terrorist, I don't know who is. Evil, cowardly son of a bitch.

re: #191 livefreeor die

Thank you for letting me know that my thinking is still on the right track. In these times, I sometimes wonder about me.

re: #245 jorline

Shhhhh. Don't let them know we're on to them.

Frankly, I am always a bit nervous when someone has an Avatar by their first post.

re: #245 jorline

Yep...there's another one also. I always wonder about the hatchlings that learn their way around LFG so quickly.

Yeah, that's how I feel about those that have only been here since 2004 or so, yet they act like the own the joint.

/

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

Jorline: re the sandwich, how about "an unusual marriage of ingredients?"

lmao...keep working on it buzz. Did you hear my suggestion? Green Buzz Samitch.

re: #241 Karridine

now, do you think something will come of this or will it be swept under the rug due to the "will of the people?"

Ofra Haza-Kaddish

re: #23 traderjoe9

Thank God the Rabbi's child survived...I have no doubt the terrorists would have shot him as well.

He was 2 years old today, the youngest of 3 sons, and if it could be any more tragic, the parents HY"D had a son that died from Tay-Sachs, and there is a second son, in hospital, in Israel, who also has Tay-Sachs.

This precious toddler will never remember...

And the Nanny that saved his life? I hope that she is given an award for her valor and caring.

re: #206 ColdPizza

someone posted before it will be much more then "water Boarding".
The sad thing is, these practices need to be in place to gather information so we can protect the innocent.. the Terrorists aren't human anyways..

That might have been me, where I suggested the Indians may start with waterboarding and go from there... although it now seems he may give up what he knows for very little.

re: #229 Yishai

Yeah. Unfortunately, Israel has learned that lesson, and countless lives have been saved there by the courageous actions of a caring (and armed) bystander.

In my Country "Canada" I cant even by a Gun. Honestly I just want one for self defense. It really pisses me off, I'm not looking to go out and shoot someone, I just want a "fair chance" if one of these Mother fucking Terrorists breaks in.. I wish the Rabbi had been given an Uzi.

re: #227 reine.de.tout

I'm wondering what's happening to him now, making him so eager to spill the beans.

I read that as he was being taken out of the hospital, his begging had changed from "I want to live" to "kill me." I'm guessing he's not having a good time right about now.

re: #244 Catttt

I read a report via Drudge that the Indian police in the train station froze and didn't fire their weapons. That, for one thing, would not happen here.

re: #245 jorline

Yep...there's another one also. I always wonder about the hatchlings that learn their way around LFG so quickly.

Good evening, Jorline! good to see you.

It took me many months before I felt comfortable enough to make any comment at all. So yes, hatchlings that seem very comfortable very quickly do seem odd to me, too.

re: #93 pleaseandthankyou

If these so-called men, so-called human beings had any honor whatsoever they would declare war on their enemies, field an army, put on uniforms and fight like real men. Instead they go around executing unarmed school girls and old women. That tells you all you need to know about their so-called bravery, heroism, honor. Pathetic. Disgusting. Words fail. I wish I were young enough to join the army so that I could kill them in a fair fight.

Maybe it is time to start the Geezer Brigade.
I am so there, man. I don't even need the pay, keep it.

re: #224 jcm

Was this his 15 minutes of flame?

Fixed......

Hey, jcm...I like your better...thanks.

re: #244 Catttt

Excellent point.

Side issue - I keep thinking of how the serial rapist/killer, Richard Ramirez, was apprehended. He got the tar beaten out of him in East L.A. by regular American citizens who stepped up, even though Ramirez had a gun and they didn't.

When Ramirez tried to steal a guy's car, the guy grabbed him by the neck and held on - the car hit a pole.

Ramirez tried to steal another car. The driver's husband came at him with a metal rod. A guy called the cops and sent his sons after Ramirez. These guys (the husband and the two sons) chased Ramirez, beat him into the ground, and held him until the cops arrived.

Basically, that's what I expect from Americans.

Another example - years ago, I lived in DC. As I came out of the Safeway one day, there was a crazy guy in the parking lot, trying to break into a lady's house. Men who just happened to be there (about eight or ten of them), surrounded the raving lunatic and kept him at bay until the cops arrived.

I realize these guys were sneaky, armed, and trained, but I keep wondering if it would have initially gone down differently in a U.S. city - right at the start, before the authorities could get there. Just a thought.

Catt, they would of target a "gun free zone" like a mall, college, business, library, church or government facility where no one has guns except for criminals. Makes it easier that way, mate!

re: #233 rawmuse

I would rather practice my long tones.
But, hey, if they want to make me go to the range, and practice with weaponry, these things I shall do. And more.

Well, here's the thing. It's sad if we have to bring every citizen up to speed on military matters. That's how they live in Israel. That's how many populations have lived, over the centuries and millenia, at least learning where and when to run, when they couldn't defend.

We in the west, in recent centuries, have tried to isolate war from the general population. The Moslems think they are clever in not doing so. Well then. We can fight our fight, or we can fight their fight. As long as we do fight, I think they will lose either way. I'd prefer we fight our fight, and that means using our major weapons against their overall societies. But, apparently, we hesitate to do so. I understand that. Perhaps it's worth a try. Up to a point. But it may mean you have to give up your music practice in exchange for learning some gun discipline. Up to you, I guess.

re: #244 Catttt

What was it Burke said about the triumph of evil?

re: #246 experiencedtraveller

I understand they are not simple barbarians.

Thats a good point, during the last Lebanon War the Israeli soldiers would still call the Hezonazis brave. Respect your enemy.

re: #247 Catttt

If he's not the epitome of a terrorist, I don't know who is. Evil, cowardly son of a bitch.

I take it he's not on your Christmas card list.

re: #254 NY Nana

This precious toddler will never remember...

No, but I have a strong premonition that God has something special for him to do.

I don't get these feelings often, once a decade or so, but I just know.