Ain't that the truth!

Ahhhh, Black Butte Porter

Just fine this is, now about my thread to fix my tore pocket?

I really like pumpkin pie. With vanilla ice cream.

re: #4 Racer X
that was yesterday my friend.

Ultimately property rights and personal rights are the same thing.

Calvin Coolidge

What say you all,

Fine chat about the world of .......

No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.

— Mark Twain

First, do no harm.

re: #2 JCM

is the something of a WINE?

"Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And ain't that a big enough majority in any town?"
Mark Twain

re: #8 solomonpanting

That's something from the HIP-OATH, is it not?

I love the smell of new threadiness...

re: #8 solomonpanting

And be kind to children and animals.

re: #11 Nightwatch

That's something from the HIP-OATH, is it not?

Yes, but applies as much to politicians.

re: #14 solomonpanting

And remember, the Hippocratic Oath has NOT been required of practicing doctors for decades now...

How do you say "pussy" in Hindi?

But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."

As the gunmen fired at policemen taking cover across the street, Mr D'Souza realised a train was pulling into the station unaware of the horror within. "I couldn't believe it. We rushed to the platform and told everyone to head towards the back of the station. Those who were older and couldn't run, we told them to stay put."

The militants returned inside the station and headed towards a rear exit towards Chowpatty Beach. Mr D'Souza added: "I told some policemen the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused to follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera."

[Link: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...]

Maybe the Indian government should send their police on rotations through Iraq - the police there have learned to fight back.

re: #15 Karridine

And remember, the Hippocratic Oath has NOT been required of practicing doctors for decades now...

Why doesn't that comfort me?

re: #14 solomonpanting

I wish. the loyal opposition up here *spit*, is upset with the government because they didn't open the bank vault to spend lavishly for bailouts. going to be trying to form a coalition to topple the RECENTLY elected government. I think we will be going to the polls again in the new year.

/I hate liberals and leftists.

Great quote. I love Twain quotes...

"History has tried hard to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of the government couldn't be wise."

- Mark Twain, New York Herald, 8/26/1876

re: #17 solomonpanting

Why doesn't that comfort me?

In Oregon treatment has been denied, and "assisted suicide approved for patients.

re: #17 solomonpanting

Why doesn't that comfort me?

Because it wasn't done for YOUR benefit, Solomon, but for the aching consciences of the good doctors: (Wikipedia says)

In the 1970s, cultural and social forces induced many American medical schools to abandon the Hippocratic Oath as part of graduation ceremonies, usually substituting a version modified to something considered more politically up to date, or an alternate pledge like the Oath or Prayer of Maimonides.

re: #16 karmic_inquisitor

How do you say "pussy" in Hindi?

[Link: www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...]

Maybe the Indian government should send their police on rotations through Iraq - the police there have learned to fight back.

Only because in Iraq, if the police didn't fight the terrorist their families would have been in danger and many died. Danger and survival has a way of clarifying the most obscure issues. The families of those Indian policemen were under no such threat.

The Hippocratic Oath specifically prohibits abortion.

I've always loved being a guinea pig. I just downloaded and installed Mozilla Minefield, the new beta that is going to replace Firefox....it's pretty fast! Has anyone else tried it?

Minefield!

re: #23 SurferDoc

The Hippocratic Oath specifically prohibits abortion.

And the dropping of it is now crystal clear

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

re: #1 moogie

Ain't that the truth!

"Moooogie!" Upding for you, Moogie. Ferengi, gotta love 'em.

ZZZZZZZZZZZ everyone sleeping?

Mine eyes are heavy. See/talk to you all another time.

re: #27 Desert Dog

Nope, just working and link diving at the moment. Have nothing exactly pithy to say.

re: #29 BlueCanuck

Nope, just working and link diving at the moment. Have nothing exactly pithy to say.

I am stumbling, waiting for my 17 year old to get home...he's got 20 mins before the evil specter of "car restrictions" hit

The Puritans who banned Christmas in the 17th century have generally been vilified as dour killjoys in the years since, but I am really starting to think they were onto something.

People have complained about the materialism, drunkenness, and commercialization of the holidays for centuries but these have reached truly unprecedented and disgusting extremes in recent years, with the oafish behavior of greedy shoppers adding to the revulsion any civilized person would feel at the spectacle.
The death of a young Wal-Mart employee, trampled by a crazed mob of barbaric materialists Friday morning, was absolutely the last straw.

We don't quite have the same power as the Puritan fathers to ban these hijacked holidays outright, but we can put an end to any official celebrations, including paid days off and official decorations, proclamations, etc.; and we can refuse to participate individually.

Dr. Seuss's biased propaganda gave only one side of the story; THE GRINCH WAS RIGHT!

OneTouchofVenus

What the heck. Name any three of these people?

re: #30 Desert Dog

Ah yes, the days of youth. How I miss them.

/not, youth is wasted on the young. ;)

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

A little extreme dontcha think?

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

Wow, you are really in a Grinch mood this year. I was just starting to get in the mood of the season too for once.

Walmart should pay a substantial compensation to this man's family for failing to protect his life from these animals. There also should have been more police there to arrest those interfering with the attempt to resuscitate him. Just more proof that there are too many people in this world. 12 MILLION people went hungry in the USA this year yet these animals will trample a young man to buy some cheap crap. Sick.

[Link: www.broadbandreports.com...]

////Yep its Walmarts fault the doors were torn down they should pay substantial compensation.

From this

Asif Ali Zardari, the President of Pakistan, yesterday appeared on Indian television in an attempt to defuse tensions. 'As President of Pakistan, if any evidence comes of any individual or group in any part of my country, I shall take the swiftest action in the light of evidence and in front of the world,' he said.

Joke. Evidence already exists. Multiple pieces of evidence. In fact, not reported evidence exists yet of any other country (including India herself) being implicated.

Analysts said that the omens did not look good for the peace process between India and Pakistan. 'I expect a very difficult time ahead,' said Tariq Fatemi, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. 'Anything short of a real and genuine effort to co-operate by Pakistan would send very, very bad signals - not just to India but to the US and to Europe too.'

Not that the US or Europe will do anything, having had the longstanding policy of "don't piss off the moderates and make them into extremists too" in place.

Here is an alternative plan - take out the terrorists where you find them and ignore Pakistani protests by telling them they have lost control of their country. If that makes "moderates" into "extremists" then it makes for total war, which is something we are quite good at.

re: #34 Racer X

A little extreme dontcha think?

Killing somebody in the rush to buy presents is pretty extreme too, and it is not the only example. Christmas traffic is a notorious source of mayhem, terror, and sudden death this time of year:

Invasion of the Body-Shoppers

Swarms of demonically controlled metal monsters invade the streets of the city. They roar and scream and paw the ground, seeking the destruction of every living thing. They compete and jostle and collide, sometimes destroying each other in their reckless lust for human blood.

The toll mounts and the authorities, outnumbered hundreds to one, are helpless to stem the onslaught. The hideous spectacle strikes fear and revulsion into the hearts of every rational being.

Those who value their lives take refuge where they can. They huddle in fear, and pray in silent despair for divine intervention to strike the monsters down and end the nightmare.

A new Stephen King novel? A bad science fiction scenario?

Nope, just Lubbock traffic during the Christmas season.

re: #32 SurferDoc

Ava Gardner, Robert Walker. Can't really name the third person.

/cheated and used IMDB.

You have to wonder what makes these subhuman creatures tick. The politically correct assumption seems to be that the gunmensubhumans in Mumbai were poor, brainwashed little waifs who ordinarly wouldn't hurt a fly until they fell in with the wrong crowd at your no-so-friendly not-so-local madrassa or mosque.

I'm not saying there isn't some truth to the 'fell in with the wrong crowd' line of thinking, but don't you think that on some level, they're firing AK-47s and tossing grenades at horrified onlookers because they wanted to for the longest time? Snorting coke and blowing your paycheck at the racetrack because of peer pressure is one thing, but methodically planning and executing a mass-murder spree isn't exactly one of those things you could simply chalk up to peer pressure.

I mean, I'd like to think if any of us so much as contemplated doing something terrible, there'd be some sort of internalized mechanism to make us pause, maybe reconsider our actions: i.e. the little angel on your shoulder admonishing you 'This is wrong and you know it!' or whatever. On the other hand, these vermin went out of their way to make sure they did something awful- a caustic brew of nihilism and narcicism with perhaps some spiritual trappings (the fact that they may have had some Imam or mullah's blessing is simply a bonus for them). Nobody held their hands and guided them ashore or through the train station or the hotels or the Chabad house- that was their decision....one that was (at elast) many months in the making.

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel

Then we should ban rock concerts too right?

What happened is tragic and steps should be taken to insure it does not happen again. I'm not ready to advocate banning Christmas over it.

re: #39 BlueCanuck

Ava Gardner, Robert Walker. Can't really name the third person.

/cheated and used IMDB.

That's why I said three. ;)

I only knew three of them. Dick Haymes was the other guy.

I think the death at the Walmart in NY will make the stores handle the "doorbuster" sales differently. 2000 people in that line when the doors opened up. The store should have had them in a more orderly queue. It looked like a free for all....what a tragic outcome.....

re: #42 SurferDoc

Who was the other lady? Ava Gardner was damn sexy when she was younger!

What's really sad about the Wal-mart death is police were on scene at 0355 trying to calm things down but at 0500 when it opened no black and whites in sight. [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

And the unions say it was avoidable likely because walmart is non Unionized. Security barriers would have stopped it according to the Local grocer's 1500. Like security barriers would have stopped the approximately 2000 people striving to be the first ones in.

re: #43 Desert Dog

If I was the manager of that store I would have hit the fire alarm and sent everyone out empty handed.

re: #42 SurferDoc

Have to listen to it again. Beautiful music. Read the plot synopsis on IMDB, and realized that the movie "Mannequin" was an 80's remake of this movie. Except without the music.

Don't some retailers with the 'doorbuster' sales pass out a slip of paper with a number on it so that you go in when your number's called instead of everyone stampeding for the door all at once?

What needs to be done is stopping the 1/2 day and 1 day sales on Black friday and apply a smaller more moderate discount spread out over a longer period of time.

re: #45 rancher

What's really sad about the Wal-mart death is police were on scene at 0355 trying to calm things down but at 0500 when it opened no black and whites in sight. [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

And the unions say it was avoidable likely because walmart is non Unionized. Security barriers would have stopped it according to the Local grocer's 1500. Like security barriers would have stopped the approximately 2000 people striving to be the first ones in.

No... the higher prices and lower service that unions bring would have stopped the stampede, not any kind of barriers...

/heh [kinda]

re: #48 Fenway_Nation

I went to a BestBuy sale last year. They had it roped off and had some big dudes making sure everyone behaved. It would have be scary in that mob at Walmart. Anytime you get a rush like that, someone gets hurt or worse.

re: #44 Desert Dog

Who was the other lady? Ava Gardner was damn sexy when she was younger!

After lightning fast late night googling--it is Olga San Juan! I never would have guessed that.

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

The Puritans who banned Christmas in the 17th century have generally been vilified as dour killjoys in the years since, but I am really starting to think they were onto something.

People have complained about the materialism, drunkenness, and commercialization of the holidays for centuries but these have reached truly unprecedented and disgusting extremes in recent years, with the oafish behavior of greedy shoppers adding to the revulsion any civilized person would feel at the spectacle.
The death of a young Wal-Mart employee, trampled by a crazed mob of barbaric materialists Friday morning, was absolutely the last straw.

We don't quite have the same power as the Puritan fathers to ban these hijacked holidays outright, but we can put an end to any official celebrations, including paid days off and official decorations, proclamations, etc.; and we can refuse to participate individually.

Dr. Seuss's biased propaganda gave only one side of the story; THE GRINCH WAS RIGHT!

I don't think so! Are we going to get rid of all sport events because fans sometimes go crazy? Get rid of cars because of accidents? We cold make quite a list on that theme. Christmas is already on the endangered list. Don't even talk like that.

re: #47 BlueCanuck

Have to listen to it again. Beautiful music. Read the plot synopsis on IMDB, and realized that the movie "Mannequin" was an 80's remake of this movie. Except without the music.

Right. This one was all over television in the fifties.

re: #45 rancher

Stuff like this has been going on for decades at least. Remember the mania surrounding the Cabbage Patch dolls? Something could have been done better, and next year probably will be. I think though that it should require educating the masses, or prohibiting late night line ups/camp outs on the dawn of a big sale or new highly anticipated product release.

re: #51 Desert Dog

Heh....I'm thinking Deli, you're thinking hard-to-get-into Nightclub.

Either way, that's better than telling 2000 people 'Have at it!' and try and cram into maybe two doorways simultaneously.

Did you hear about the newest radio station in Cincinnati? It's WKRP!

re: #54 SurferDoc

I have to find me a fifties type of girl. They seemed so much more sophisticated back then. And the way they looked . . . . . *swoon*

re: #53 Silvergirl

I don't think so! Are we going to get rid of all sport events because fans sometimes go crazy? Get rid of cars because of accidents? We cold make quite a list on that theme. Christmas is already on the endangered list. Don't even talk like that.

Sporting events lead to some localized insanity and occasional small-scale riots (unless you're in Europe), rock concerts sometimes kill a few people who actually show up, but Christmas turns millions into lunatics for a whole month.

Argh! I hate winzip!

Anybody know how to work this infernal piece of crap called WinZip?

[Why do I always start fiddling with my computer at three in the morning? Gotta stop doing this...]

re: #58 BlueCanuck

I hear ya....contrast a Bettie Paige or Jayne Mansfield with a Amy Winehouse or Brittney Spears or whatever greased-up skank d'jour the entertainment industry's trying to unload on us.

Please state the nature of your Winzip emergency? ;)

re: #59 Shiplord Kirel

Sporting events lead to some localized insanity and occasional small-scale riots (unless you're in Europe), rock concerts sometimes kill a few people who actually show up, but Christmas turns millions into lunatics for a whole month.

Those folks are always lunatics. Christmas just gets them all to congregate at the mall, instead of leaving them spread out through the whole town.

re: #60 stevieray

Click on start, click on Control Panel, select Add/Remove Programs. Scroll down to Winzip and choose remove program. Click okay. Next open your browser and go to 7-Zip.org and download and install the program. Enjoy. :)

re: #60 stevieray

Argh! I hate winzip!

Anybody know how to work this infernal piece of crap called WinZip?

[Why do I always start fiddling with my computer at three in the morning? Gotta stop doing this...]

/highlight the .zip file you want to unzip, select extract, and specify the target directory

re: #61 Fenway_Nation

Or dare I say it, Lucille Ball? I am sure she didn't sound that way in real life.

/well maybe not. Would have to depend on her personality I think.

re: #62 SurferDoc

Please state the nature of your Winzip emergency? ;)

It keeps grabbing a file I'm trying to download and install. It is apparently a compressed file, but it only needs to be "double clicked" from my desktop and it will self install, but my winzip keeps grabbing it and "helpfully" unzipping it and shoving it into an archive.

How do I make it stop?

[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]
Britney feels old and boring... I wonder why?

re: #58 BlueCanuck

I have to find me a fifties type of girl. They seemed so much more sophisticated back then. And the way they looked . . . . . *swoon*

Why, thank you, { { {Blue} } }!

With that, and my several more pounds of turkey, I bid you good-night, Blue.

Good-night, ALL! ! !

re: #64 BlueCanuck

Click on start, click on Control Panel, select Add/Remove Programs. Scroll down to Winzip and choose remove program. Click okay. Next open your browser and go to 7-Zip.org and download and install the program. Enjoy. :)

I'm gonna bookmark that just in case!

re: #58 BlueCanuck

So many of the fifties guys' appeal was on the surface, or fleeting. Marlon Brando was so hot when he was young, and then he blimped out, like an even bigger 50's icon, Elvis. Rock Hudson, Montgomery Clift, handsome devils both, but only had eyes for the boys.

re: #66 BlueCanuck

I was more of an Ethel kind of guy :P

Actually, my one hang-up about the classic 50's pin up is the apparent lack of Black/Hispanic/Aisan women featured in that medium.

/Celebrting diversity isn't just for metrosexual puss-o-crats!

re: #65 Killian Bundy

/highlight the .zip file you want to unzip, select extract, and specify the target directory

That's just it... I don't want it to unzip this file, but the little bastard can't keep its paws off of it!

re: #67 stevieray

It keeps grabbing a file I'm trying to download and install. It is apparently a compressed file, but it only needs to be "double clicked" from my desktop and it will self install, but my winzip keeps grabbing it and "helpfully" unzipping it and shoving it into an archive.

How do I make it stop?

See if you can find the file it is unzipping to. If you can't see it as it unzips, go to search and look for it by name.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
The MSM doesn't get it... they cant understand that you can't heal deathy.

re: #67 stevieray

It keeps grabbing a file I'm trying to download and install. It is apparently a compressed file, but it only needs to be "double clicked" from my desktop and it will self install, but my winzip keeps grabbing it and "helpfully" unzipping it and shoving it into an archive.

How do I make it stop?

/unzip the zip file, right click install on the .ini file

re: #69 LeePro

Night {LeePro}, weet dreams, and enjoy your Trytophan induced slumber.

I can rave all I like about the absurd spectacle of International Commerce Day Christmas, but you KNOW that I will be out getting presents for my grandchildren, among others.
The munchkins know that I am likely to show up with presents any time of the year, but they will still cry if there is nothing from Grandpa on Christmas morning.
I really wanted that saddled Triceratops from the Creation Museum for my grandson, but it is one-of-a-kind (for now) and they aren't letting go of it, at least not for any price that I would be willing to pay.
He also wants his own plane, but since he is only 7 and I am not filthy rich in any case, that will have to wait.
The granddaughter is a lot easier to shop for. I got her a giant Raggedy Ann/Andy dolls and some half size furniture to go with them. I gave her mom the same thing when she was 3, and she still has it.

re: #68 shanec99

[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]
Britney feels old and boring... I wonder why?

Maybe if she would stop stealing her sheet music from old '70s TV shows, she wouldn't have such an old sound.

re: #73 stevieray

Have you checked the options in Winzip? And is the file a self extractor file as well?

re: #71 Silvergirl

So many of the fifties guys' appeal was on the surface, or fleeting. Marlon Brando was so hot when he was young, and then he blimped out, like an even bigger 50's icon, Elvis. Rock Hudson, Montgomery Clift, handsome devils both, but only had eyes for the boys.

Wasnt Rock Hudson married to Liz Taylor?

re: #60 stevieray

I use WinRar archiver myself.

Type in WinRar into your search engine.

re: #81 shanec99

Wasnt Rock Hudson married to Liz Taylor?

No, he is one of the few people who wasn't.

re: #73 stevieray

That's just it... I don't want it to unzip this file, but the little bastard can't keep its paws off of it!

You can only double click to install a .zip file if it's set up for automatic self-extraction/installation.

/unzip it and right click "install" on the .ini file

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

Right you are, and I bet you wouldn't knock someone down on the way into the store and stab them with a Triceratops horn on the way out.

OK... I'll hunt down the unzipped file and look for the .ini file. This is a self-extracting file, so it should self-install if I can keep winzip from pulling it apart and hiding it from me.

One of these days I'll learn to try these things when I'm awake.

re: #85 Silvergirl

Right you are, and I bet you wouldn't knock someone down on the way into the store and stab them with a Triceratops horn on the way out.

Probably not, but if there was only one Triceratops and some metrosexual knave seemed likely to get to it first......Well, you never know.

This thread needs some more music.

/love this video.

re: #58 BlueCanuck

re: #77 BlueCanuck

One more thing before I go, Blue...
      '50s kinda girl

Bush Asking Olmert the Obvious

After Olmert updated Bush on Israel's indirect talks with Syrian President Bashar Assad, the U.S. president demanded, "Why do you want to give Assad the Golan for nothing?" the sources said.

"It's not for nothing," Olmert insisted. "It's in exchange for a change in the region's strategic alignment."

Bush persisted: "Why should you believe him?" And to that, Olmert did not reply.

Because he's a mind-numbing idiot, that's why.

re: #86 stevieray

OK... I'll hunt down the unzipped file and look for the .ini file. This is a self-extracting file, so it should self-install if I can keep winzip from pulling it apart and hiding it from me.

One of these days I'll learn to try these things when I'm awake.

If you link to the file I can tell you specifically what needs to be done. Ain't no ZIP file beaten me yet.

/if it's not too personal

re: #55 BlueCanuck

Yeah the point of 45 was that police had been on scene to calm things down and after seeing the way things were declined to keep presense at the store at 0500 when stuff was really gonna hit the fan.

Rustler btw all thru this thread so far Rancher is already in bed.

Night, All!

re: #90 traderjoe9

Bush Asking Olmert the Obvious

Because he's a mind-numbing idiot, that's why.

This makes me nervous. I have a friend who is leaving for Israel tomorrow to visit his family.

He'll probably be OK, but I'm worried about what could happen.

re: #93 SurferDoc

Night, All!

Good night!

re: #92 rancher

Yeah the point of 45 was that police had been on scene to calm things down and after seeing the way things were declined to keep presense at the store at 0500 when stuff was really gonna hit the fan.

Rustler btw all thru this thread so far Rancher is already in bed.

Barbarians... trampple a man to death in order to buy some cheap Chinese made drawers at Wal-Mart.
Good grief.

re: #93 SurferDoc

Night Doc, weet dreams.

re: #88 BlueCanuck

Indeed, Intro sounds like Iron Maiden, rest sounds like AC/DC:

I actually made some inroads into my Christmas shopping over the summer. Doesn't hurt that the majority of my family members are going to wind up with gift cards.....

Holy crap! It worked!

I finally got that %$@*& widget into the %#@*^# sidebar!

Thanks SurferDoc, Killian, Blue, and Crux!

Tomorrow, I'll hunt through the WinZip tutorials and figure out how to work the program. It would be so much easier if I could get a self-extracting zipped file to just plop down on the desktop like any other download.

re: #91 Killian Bundy

If you link to the file I can tell you specifically what needs to be done. Ain't no ZIP file beaten me yet.

/if it's not too personal

Not too personal at all, just an ESPN widget I wanted to stick in my sidebar.

I don't know what it is about zip files... they always seem to confound me.

re: #88 BlueCanuck

This thread needs some more music.

/love this video.

That was fun. I didn't know Walken could fly.

Ellen DeGeneres' variety show aired tonight on TBS. It seemed to get a MUCH better response (I'll be curious to see the ratings) than Rosie O'Donnell's monstrosity.

I'd say the variety show may be ready for a comeback, but Rosie is on her way out.

re: #102 Silvergirl

That was fun. I didn't know Walken could fly.

Walken on air?
;)

Is it lizard etiquette to say good-night instead of quietly disappearing?

Is the fruitcup a secret? So many questions, but it's fun discovering too.

re: #100 stevieray

Tomorrow, I'll hunt through the WinZip tutorials and figure out how to work the program. It would be so much easier if I could get a self-extracting zipped file to just plop down on the desktop like any other download.

Well, usually, advertised WinZip self-extracting files are just that.

/maybe try uninstalling and reinstalling WinZip clean

re: #101 stevieray

I don't know what it is about zip files... they always seem to confound me.

/hey, as long as you're happy

re: #105 Silvergirl

Is it lizard etiquette to say good-night instead of quietly disappearing?

Is the fruitcup a secret? So many questions, but it's fun discovering too.

The longer you've been around talking to your fellow lizards, the more it's appreciated if you say good night when you leave. That way, they don't keep trying to ask you questions after you're gone.

Fruitcup isn't really a secret. However, since it only shows up at 5:00 AM ET/2:00 AM PT, not a lot of daytime lizards know about it.

re: #20 JCM

In Oregon treatment has been denied, and "assisted suicide approved for patients.

The slope is slippery, huh? I'm so glad the Oregonians were all over television commercials in Washington state, telling us there was nothing whatsoever to be concerned about with an assisted suicide law. It's so easy to see where this could lead.

re: #88 BlueCanuck

Better if you are a drummer:

re: #100 stevieray

Well you should set your target when you are saving the file to the desktop. Me I send all mine to a Temp directory in My Documents. That way I can find all my downloads.

re: #108 gmsc

fruitcup were ?
NEED FRUITCUP

MESSAGE TO L.O.L. send fruitcup STAT

re: #100 stevieray

Try 7zip instead maybe I find I have much fewer problems using 7zip as it allows me to direct an old folder or creat a new on on desktop to extract too.

re: #112 yochanan

fruitcup were ?
NEED FRUITCUP

MESSAGE TO L.O.L. send fruitcup STAT

/63 minutes

re: #113 rancher

See my #64. I found it years ago and have used it ever since. Free, works well, and will do files that back then winzip wouldn't touch.

re: #109 capitalist piglet

A relitive who has power of attorney could make a killing on this one

sarc. tag.

re: #114 Killian Bundy

123 minutes bud :P

re: #114 Killian Bundy

/63 minutes

/actually, my bad 122 minutes

re: #106 Killian Bundy

I'll play with the settings tomorrow when I'm awake. Maybe that'll fix it -- I probably told WinZip to automatically do this when I installed it. Sigh. I'm mentally drained.

BTW... listening to WFAN sports-talk right now. Plaxico is getting ripped by everyone. I don't think he will survive this latest idiocy... the Giants will probably have to get rid of him. The fans are pissed. Looks like NYC will issue an arrest warrant for him come Monday.

Greetings this early AM!Robert Byrd came up in the Lounge...So, while finding out how old he was, (91) I also found out his son in law is Iranian! Is this fairly comment knowledge? I sure didn't know about it!

[Link: www.mohammadmossadegh.com...]

re: #117 rancher

123 minutes bud :P

/so, until then, we'll all have to sit around and oddly stare at each other

re: #115 BlueCanuck

haha missed that one yeah I love 7-zip it does everything I need it to and more. It's much more user friendly for me which means unlike a lot of apple/microsoft programs it actually lets you make a decision instead of the program deciding everything.

re: #119 stevieray

I'Plaxico is getting ripped by everyone.

/gee, I can't imagine why that might be

re: #121 Killian Bundy

We are getting really in sync for some raeson KB first last night with the bannings now hte fruit cup :P.

Rustler

re: #117 rancher

123 minutes bud :P

re: #118 Killian Bundy

/actually, my bad 122 minutes

My clock says 1:00 AM PT. I always see fruitcup at 2:00 AM PT. To me, that's only 1 hour apart, not 2.

when L.O.L. comes in have her send me some over and out.

my boss (wifie) want to use her computer so i got to turn scaley tail and run.

re: #125 gmsc

Actually your right hehe I looked at time of post and forgot its in PST.

The Lizard help desk is the best help desk on the intrawebz! I've asked questions on official help forums and gotten far less help than you guys just gave me... thanks again!

Now I can sleep the sleep of the sated... my widget has a home.

Goodnight all.

re: #125 gmsc

Yeah, I was wondering aboot that too. I think two people need more sleep, or more coffee. :)

re: #124 rancher

We are getting really in sync for some raeson KB first last night with the bannings now hte fruit cup :P.

Rustler

I have nothing better to do at 3:00 a.m. on Sunday morning.

/everything else is closed

re: #114 Killian Bundy

Not sure what 'fruit cup' is, but this is what we call it to be "fruit-bowled" in the business:

When your innards are on your out-side, you have been fruit-bowled. It looks like a bowl of fruit on your tummy. Icky I know, but when its the bad guys, e-f em.

Lol not lack of sleep I found this week old red fruitcup at teh desk and ate it and I do beleive fermented fruit plus reds special additives combine to make some super drug. :P

re: #132 rancher

Yeah, he got access to the Super Secret Fridge™ awhile back and ferments any left over fruitcup for the coming week. Just sit back and enjoy the trip. Probably the best trip we will get in the next four years.

Wrong link, idiot:

re: #133 BlueCanuck

Not if my battle with the Va every bears fruit. If it does I should hopefully get back on the good stuff they had me on before making me get off it since I was forced into being an Avionics tech my last couple years in.

re: #127 rancher

Actually your right hehe I looked at time of post and forgot its in PST.

re: #129 BlueCanuck

Yeah, I was wondering aboot that too. I think two people need more sleep, or more coffee. :)

...or more fruitcup!

Now what good stuff they will put me on this time i have no clue but in Korea i was on 3 a day 800mg Methocarbonal.

re: #134 eddiespaghetti

Wrong link, idiot:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

/yeah, that was a 105 shot from an AC130, pretty good accuracy for arboirne artillery

re: #138 Killian Bundy

/yeah, that was a 105 shot from an AC130, pretty good accuracy for arboirne artillery

/alright, nevermind, it's a Prededator Hellfire shot, didn't look at the title, still looks like an AC130 105 hit

re: #138 Killian Bundy

Pretty sure it was a hellfire from a Predator / Reaper. Shot was probably taken from Nevada too.

re: #139 Killian Bundy

/Predator

re: #139 Killian Bundy

Symbology is way different too on an AC-130 shot as well:

Is the AC 130 what used to be called the Jolly Green Giant?

re: #140 eddiespaghetti

Pretty sure it was a hellfire from a Predator / Reaper. Shot was probably taken from Nevada too.

I've always thought that was so bizarre. The pilot is basically a man or a woman who is fighting in Iraq, yet is actually sitting in Nevada (or Washington, D.C., or...).

C-130, older than us all, is called the Hercules:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #140 eddiespaghetti

Pretty sure it was a hellfire from a Predator / Reaper. Shot was probably taken from Nevada too.

No you're right.

/there we're probably at least two drones, look at the incoming missile, it's probably not coming from the drone shooting the video

re: #144 gmsc

Creech AFB, north of Nellis (see Vegas). That is where all of the Predators / Reepers are guided out of. The terminal landing phase takes place in country.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #143 fiat_lux

Is the AC 130 what used to be called the Jolly Green Giant?

/nope

re: #147 eddiespaghetti

Creech AFB, north of Nellis (see Vegas). That is where all of the Predators / Reepers are guided out of. The terminal landing phase takes place in country.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

That makes it even better! I live close to Nellis AFB, so I know the area well!

re: #146 Killian Bundy

Your probably correct, the angle looks like the hellfire came from a different angle. Predators "lase" for other platforms. Sometimes "orgainic" (ie other predators) or sometimes "inorganic" (ie other platforms).

pimf, organic.

re: #148 Killian Bundy

Thank you. In future I will search information myself. I used to watch the Vietnam war every night on CBS. I thought the AC 130 went that far back.

re: #152 fiat_lux

It did! First use was on the Ho Chi Minh trail!

I confused the names. the Ac 130 was a modified C 130 Hercules with cannon and machine guns to attack ground targets, I remember. I forgot what is was called at the time.

Is it a full moon out tonight? Getting some real freaks, weirdos, and morons for some reason wandering about making my night a little too interesting.

re: #152 fiat_lux

Thank you. In future I will search information myself. I used to watch the Vietnam war every night on CBS. I thought the AC 130 went that far back.

It did. That's where the AC-47 "Spooky" was born.

/and evolved into the AC-130H Spectre

Jolly Green Giant is the CH3 amphibious helo.

re: #157 rancher

Jolly Green Giant is the CH3 amphibious helo.

/amphibious?

re: #148 Killian Bundy
Thats the Super Jolly KB the newer more modern version of the Jolly which was Nam era.

re: #155 BlueCanuck

Quite wrong, .06 illumination today.

[Link: aa.usno.navy.mil...]

re: #158 Killian Bundy

Amphibious in that it was use to stage amphibious assaults from UDT and Marines would go belly on the water to allow Zodiac deployment from rear ramp.

[Link: www.fas.org...] For specs on hte original Jolly Green Giant

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
-Mark Twain

And there is nothing quite like watching an AC-130 plow a field with 105's. It's something i think we should demonstrate to the terrorists as a deterant. Another thing I love is the scream of an A-10 Thunderbolt as it starts its anti tank/anti AA runs. Just something about the psychological impact of the Spectre and Thunderbolt I love.

re: #161 rancher

Amphibious in that it was use to stage amphibious assaults from UDT and Marines would go belly on the water to allow Zodiac deployment from rear ramp.

That's interesting, pretty danderous for a helicopter manuever.

/don't they just usually jump 10-20 feet?

re: #163 Smilla

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
-Mark Twain

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.
-Mark Twain

They can if thers a Zodiak already in the water but its kinda hard to dump one without losing a lot of specialized gear stowed aboard so For some heavily ladden ops ballsy pilots would belly up to the water open ramp and hte team could then shove the Zodi out the back hop in and take of much quicker than if they pushed the boat out then individually jumped out and swam to the craft.

re: #156 Killian Bundy

It did. That's where the AC-47 "Spooky" was born.

/and evolved into the AC-130H Spectre

sometimes called Puff the Magic Dragon

re: #163 Smilla

The thread began with a Mark Twain quote and evolved into a a military hardware thread

Mein Idishe Momme

Someone say old music?

re: #168 Outrider
correct just like the A-10 Thunderbolt is often called teh Warthog, or Hog affectionately.

At least Ididn't start the topic flip flop but then again that's why it's an open thread.

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

Yum! Thanks!

Good morning, littleoldlady!

Whoohoo fresh fruit cup.

re: #171 rancher

correct just like the A-10 Thunderbolt is often called teh Warthog, or Hog affectionately.

usually just called all of them fast movers. it was generally all we had on station for fixed wing

re: #170 FamHistoryGuy

Yiddishe!

Idishe? Is that Russian?

You could almost set your watch to the fruitcuppage

gmsc! :-)

rancher! :-) (You or mini-You? ;-)

re: #168 Outrider

Outrider you are a genius! You have removed my confusion. It was Puff the Majic Dragon that I was think of. See # 143 by your personal polar bear

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

Was feeling peckish thank you lol.

And now for a new topic change

Fenway! :-)

Almost... ;-)

Erik! :-)

Its rustler Rancher is my relief at 0700 today so he may be on a bit around then.

re: #170 FamHistoryGuy

Here it is in Yinglish.

re: #154 fiat_lux

AC-47 = Puff/Spooky
AC-119 = Shadow
AC-130 = Specter

I have a cassette tape I made one night at Ubon of RAPCON doing controller training with a Specter on approach.

re: #180 fiat_lux

Outrider you are a genius! You have removed my confusion. It was Puff the Majic Dragon that I was think of. See # 143 by your personal polar bear

Fact is, I used to hear them called Spooky more often than not though. Only heard Nam vets sometimes refer to it as Puff.

re: #187 FamHistoryGuy

All 3 are actually at times refered to as Puff do to the large puff of smoke from the sky associated with 105 fire.

re: #173 littleoldlady

Good morning LOL

Also from the ground many folks heard airforce talking about the AC-47 as spooky so associated all air artillary suppport as coming from the spooky bird etc.

re: #187 FamHistoryGuy

AC-47 = Puff/Spooky
AC-119 = Shadow
AC-130 = Specter

I have a cassette tape I made one night at Ubon of RAPCON doing controller training with a Specter on approach.

don't think grunts ever made any kind of distinction between any of those when using names

re: #173 littleoldlady

Dear lady, I have been waiting for this.

re: #177 littleoldlady

Yep. Russian

I used to call 105's mana from heaven hehe.

fiat_lux! :-)

/he only loves me for my fruitcup...

re: #194 FamHistoryGuy

That song brings a tear - no matter what language I hear it in...

Morning littleoldlady, thanks for the fruitcup.

/back into lurk mode, busy with something. :)

re: #188 Outrider

Fact is, I used to hear them called Spooky more often than not though. Only heard Nam vets sometimes refer to it as Puff.

/C'mon, what soldier calling for close air support wouldn't want to hear this on the radio?

re: #196 littleoldlady

fiat_lux! :-)

/he only loves me for my fruitcup...

There are some of us who like you for your discussion.

/The U.S. Constitution
/I only read it for the articles

re: #194 FamHistoryGuy

I thought that Yiddish was German for jewish. Learn something new everyday.

re: #192 Outrider

I was USAF aircraft armament (bomb Loader)

AC-47 .50 cal and/or 7.62 minni gun
AC-119 20mm Gatling and 40mm BOFORS
AC-130 20mm Gatling, 40mm then 105mm Howitzer

BlueCanuck! :-)

re: #199 gmsc

Playboy? ;-)

re: #202 littleoldlady

re: #199 gmsc

Playboy? ;-)

Hey, just because I live in Vegas . . .
;)

re: #201 FamHistoryGuy

I was USAF aircraft armament (bomb Loader)

AC-47 .50 cal and/or 7.62 minni gun
AC-119 20mm Gatling and 40mm BOFORS
AC-130 20mm Gatling, 40mm then 105mm Howitzer

that can sure toss a lot of metal downrange for sure.

re: #200 fiat_lux

Yiddish is a language derived from Hebrew and German plus one or two other sources.

re: #200 fiat_lux

I thought that Yiddish was German for jewish. Learn something new everyday.

Jew in German is Juden.

Yiddish is a language spoken by the Jews of Europe (and Brooklyn ;-) with strong roots in the German language.

re: #204 Outrider

that can sure toss a lot of metal downrange for sure.

/AC-130 Spectre Gunship Operations in Afghanistan

And I'm the World's Slowest Typer...

re: #208 littleoldlady

And I'm the World's Slowest Typer...

I'm getting slow as a typer right now myself.

Good night, all!

Hello lizards.

Just writing a brief apology/explanation to those who responded to a post I made on Thursday's overnight (Moe Katz, Rancher, Fenway_Nation, Fat Bastard Vegetarian, and probably some others). I should have waited longer than 5 minutes before giving into my tummy and calling it a night. I honestly thought the thread was pretty dead, but it looks like I was wrong. =)

Some clarification:

I'm not a troll. On second reading, I realize how that post came across that way. I probably should have put more effort into my last sentence. What I wrote just happens to be an opinion I've had since we targeted Iraq in the war on terror. The basis for that opinion stems from the couple months I spent in the Middle East as a Marine on deployment there in 1997. Unfortunately, no matter how you cut it, a pizza delivery boy working his way through community college ('til 2003) doesn't have much political clout, so that post is the first time I've made any public statement about it, although I have shared it before during casual conversation even before Iraq officially started. I should have put more details into what I wrote, so I'll try to explain what I learned in my time there and how it brought me to my conclusion that the reasons we were expected to swallow weren't really why we went to war in Iraq.

1. In general, every faction in the Middle East hates every other faction... doesn't matter if it's a country, a sect, or what have you. They make alliances out of necessity or convenience, but you can expect them to go back to gnawing each other to pieces when the chance presents itself, that includes Iraq and its neighbors. Once I realized how deep that tendency ran, all of Saddam's grandstanding and playing with the UN inspectors made a lot more sense. As long as the West took him seriously, his neighbors wouldn't seriously consider him weak enough to infiltrate/invade/overthrow.

2. Despite Saddam's presence, Iraq was probably one of the weakest and most vulnerable countries in the region. It didn't have any significant alliances to lean on in case of trouble, was under heavy sanctions from the West, and had a significant population % waiting for a chance to fight back. When the US and others had to decide where to pro-actively prevent the spread of terrorism, I'm certain it was on the short list.

3. The WMD/AQ threat was spun by many politicians into a "real" threat instead of simply a threat that was within the realm of possibility, as indicated by the intel. The Dem quotes that Rancher put up are a good example. That was where I got pissed off. I expected maybe a small WMD cache (I'm still surprised none were found), and a few cases of AQ/terrorists spending the night inside the border. There were some instances of people who voiced a realistic opinion on the state of Iraq, but the politicians preferred the strong and stupid rhetoric and pretty much stuck with it.

Running out of characters, so here's the summary:

My main anger is about the way it was presented and justified. When I took my oath to defend the US, defense was the main reason. The idea of aggressive military action is acceptable, but not when the justification is so off kilter that a pizza boy with a couple months of less than ideal "intel" goes ~~ lolwut! QFT GTFO! o.0 ~~ I would be much less annoyed if my ~lowut~ thoughts had been completely false.

That doesn't mean that I blame the Bush admin for the poor representation of Iraq. As I recall, the nay sayers made a point of insisting on a simple yes/no problem instead of one that required thought. That's where I agree with the apparent decision to let the idiots and blow hards have their say as long as the war went forward. However, I think that the Bush admin did a poor job of creating public understanding of the reality. Instead, they let the morons determine the PR and the end result was damaging to US' rep abroad and the administration's rep at home.

Iraq War ->
Technical: A
PR: C-

Basically, I expected better. ;-)

re: #205 FamHistoryGuy

That is what I understood. I didn't think about the Russian contributions but it dies make sense.

re: #196 littleoldlady

Dear Lady, You have have been very gracious to me despite my initial insecurities and for that I am in your debt.

At my Uncle's house today, somehow my judge of character came up. My Mom didn't agree with my assessment of someone, and that my judge of character is horrible. I told her to look at my friends, and look at the people OTHER people associate with. I told her I'm a great judge of character, considering who I choose to associate myself with.

Then my Uncle steps in and randomly he said, so you have a good taste in food, bad taste in politicians, good taste in females.

I just smiled and said "Hey, you win some and you lose some."

That was where I got pissed off. I expected maybe a small WMD cache (I'm still surprised none were found),

Its really difficult to actually locate anything that may have been hidden in some areas of Iraq. The desert is great at hiding secrets a major excavation of one day can be erased over night and unless you have actually coordinates for where it was there will be no evidence to point you at where the WMD's could have been hidden.

re: #212 fiat_lux

Some day I'll collect! ;-)

Bah noone bit on the waffles for a change of topic.

ref #182 above

re: #215 littleoldlady

I am at you service.

re: #207 Killian Bundy

/AC-130 Spectre Gunship Operations in Afghanistan

By the way, check out COD4

Doh Fox news talking about Jimmah now.

AC-119 at Phan Rang

re: #216 rancher

I missed the waffles!

/turkey on the brain... :-/

Btw LoL i just have to ask do you play Everquest. Its my Escape from the real world and on my server is this nice conservative lady with the nic liloldlady.

re: #223 rancher

Who has time for games when there's LGF!?

;-)

Nope. Never even heard of it. There's quite a few of us "littleoldladies" out there, though.

/hey! we should form a club!

Was just wondering because preelection me and liloldlady were having some fun griefing obama nuts online alonmg with a couple other folks.

People:
I received this in an e-mail yesterday...............
nonic
_____________________________________

Big Bailouts, Bigger Bucks

Posted By Barry Ritholtz On November 25, 2008 @ 7:19 am In Bailouts, Markets, Taxes and Policy | 59 Comments

Whenever I discussed the current bailout situation with people, I find they have a hard time comprehending the actual numbers involved. That became a problem while doing the research for the [1] Bailout Nation book. I needed some way to put this into proper historical perspective.

If we add in the Citi bailout, the total cost now exceeds $4.6165 trillion dollars. People have a hard time conceptualizing very large numbers, so let’s give this some context. The current Credit Crisis bailout is now the largest outlay In American history.

Jim Bianco of Bianco Research crunched the inflation adjusted numbers. The bailout has cost more than all of these big budget government expenditures – combined:

• Marshall Plan: Cost: $12.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $115.3 billion
• Louisiana Purchase: Cost: $15 million, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $217 billion
• Race to the Moon: Cost: $36.4 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $237 billion
• S&L Crisis: Cost: $153 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $256 billion
• Korean War: Cost: $54 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $454 billion
• The New Deal: Cost: $32 billion (Est), Inflation Adjusted Cost: $500 billion (Est)
• Invasion of Iraq: Cost: $551b, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $597 billion
• Vietnam War: Cost: $111 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $698 billion
• NASA: Cost: $416.7 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $851.2 billion

TOTAL: $3.92 trillion

__________________________________________________ ____________________

data courtesy of Bianco Research

>

That is $686 billion less than the cost of the credit crisis thus far.

The only single American event in history that even comes close to matching the cost of the credit crisis is World War II: Original Cost: $288 billion, Inflation Adjusted Cost: $3.6 trillion

The $4.6165 trillion dollars committed so far is about a trillion dollars ($979 billion dollars) greater than the entire cost of World War II borne by the United States: $3.6 trillion, adjusted for inflation (original cost was $288 billion).

Go figure: WWII was a relative bargain.

I estimate that by the time we get through 2010, the final bill may scale up to as much as $10 trillion dollars…

>

UPDATE: November 25, 23008 10:34am

A few additional details:

-Well regarded Jim Bianco did the number crunching. The easiest method is to recalculate the numbers using CPI data. There are other ways to depict this — such as percentage of GDP, or on a per capita basis, or in terms of costs of common items (eggs, bread, big macs, etc.).

[2] Bloomberg calculates the total amount the taxpayer is on the hook for is $7.76 trillion, or $24,000 for every man woman and child in the country. ([3] Data breakdown is here)

Regardless, no matter you calculate it, we are talking about an ungodly amount of money.

re: #222 littleoldlady

And the cinnamon rolls. ;)^~~~

/did some baking again on Friday. yum yum.

At least we got something out of the Louisiana Purchase...

/verybigsigh

'Morning, nonic! :-)

T-28 Laos 1967

Should I introduce a new, controversial topic? 'Cause if if ya'll don't want to I won't.

re: #228 littleoldlady
Was not Illinois one of the things we got out of the Louisianna Purchase?

re: #230 fiat_lux

Should I introduce a new, controversial topic? 'Cause if if ya'll don't want to I won't.

Oy veh. You really ARE a n00bie! LOL!

re: #226 nonic

[2] Bloomberg calculates the total amount the taxpayer is on the hook for is $7.76 trillion, or $24,000 for every man woman and child in the country. ([3] Data breakdown is here)

Regardless, no matter you calculate it, we are talking about an ungodly amount of money.

That's assuming the economy goes into a depression and the government doesn't get anything back on it's investment.

/lighten up, fear, fear itself

re: #230 fiat_lux

Should I introduce a new, controversial topic? 'Cause if if ya'll don't want to I won't.

Go for it. Beware the stick.

T-28 low pass

re: #228 littleoldlady

I promise you, we're going to get "something" out of this, too.

For years now, we've heard how Medicare and Social Security, a mere few hundred billion here and there, were going bankrupt with only dull hints at the consequences for the overall economy.

Think then, what effect this kind of indebtedness will have. Who could afford to rescue us, except the Saudis? On what terms?

We have been sold. Lock, stock, and barrel, as it were. And very few people seem to have noticed. And fewer seem to care.

re: #230 fiat_lux

re: #232 littleoldlady

I am afraid. I wont do it. I will lay in the shallow pond and nip at what swims past.

M-8 Armored Car

re: #234 Erik The Red

Oh, man. Not the stick! I am brutilised as it is.

re: #236 nonic

The Saudis and the Chinese, yes. Not only that but we don't even own our hard property/assets anymore. They do.

We could save ourselves if we focused on what we do best - bring back manufacturing and innovate. But considering the kayikahs we have running the show in Washington and on Wall Street, it looks as though we're going to have to hit rock bottom before people figure it out.

Scout cars

Over and out, people.

Gah, got sucked into some tiding task on my LJ account. :p

/ad. . .oooh shiny

re: #226 nonic

Does that include citibanks new 20 billion on top of last weks 25?

re: #240 littleoldlady

bring back manufacturing

Good luck with that. People can be just as productive without bloated Unions.

/hey, how about some nice lesbian music Beatles?

re: #245 Killian Bundy

Who said anything about Unions?

And another thing...(are you SURE you don't want to introduce your "controversial subject", fiat_lux? Might put the brakes on MY ranting... ;-) ... all these mergers that are supposed to create economies of scale. BAH! They lay off a lot of low/mid level workers and put the extra money in the pockets of the executives.

/disgustipated!

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

"With credit cards, consumers spend 30% more (on purchases) than with cash," Dvorkin said.

Which generally means they spend 30% more than they can afford too.

"In general, using credit cards isn't a bad thing in itself." he said. "Just make sure you don't carry over any balance when you do."

Doesn't that mean spending the 30% less that you would have spent using cash.

re: #240 littleoldlady

The Saudis and the Chinese, yes. Not only that but we don't even own our hard property/assets anymore. They do.

We could save ourselves if we focused on what we do best - bring back manufacturing and innovate. But considering the kayikahs we have running the show in Washington and on Wall Street, it looks as though we're going to have to hit rock bottom before people figure it out.

Your talking about nationbuilding vs the buck. The buck will win every time.

any fruitcup left?

re: #247 rancher

One statistic we use in the financial company I am with is that in the States the average family has a negative savings rate over the year. In short, they are spending more then they are earning. It's a brutal cycle that once you get into it, it's hard to get out.

stopped over at one of my son's friends house shabbat afternoon seems my son's best friend went to school with the mumbay chabad rabbi who was murdered. the ortho jewish community can be a very small world

re: #249 yochanan

yochanan! :-)

Plenty. Help yourself ---------------------->

akak! :-)

It looks as though we're going to be engaging in nation rebuilding soon enough.

/or may as well throw in the towel now...

yum goes well with the oatmeal i just had.

re: #245 Killian Bundy

re: #245 Killian Bundy
re: #246 littleoldlady

I must keep my controversial subject to myself Dear Lady, otherwise will be beaten with a stick as I understand.

re: #246 littleoldlady

Who said anything about Unions?

American car companies, front line, epic fail.

/no tax dollars for massive bull[expletive deleted]

Truth is, I make car parts for the American working man because I'm a hell of a salesman and he doesn't know any better. Well, son, since you're no longer a shareholder, this is where I leave you. Don't feel bad. This chain of events was set in motion a long time ago, and you and bald-headed friend, you did what you could and that's commendable. Marty, have Security see these boys out.

Ray Zolinsky from Tommy boy.

Sounds kinda like the bail out there was a better quote in the movie about consolidating businesses but cant find it on-line anywhere unfortunately

re: #254 fiat_lux

The stick isn't to bad me and Killian got it hard in last nights open thread:P

rancher we learn to have thick scales around here sometimes for good reason sometimes not.

re: #254 fiat_lux

CHICKEN! ;-)

re: #257 rancher

But I am but a newbie.Would I be able to survive such a flagellation?

re: #250 BlueCanuck

One statistic we use in the financial company I am with is that in the States the average family has a negative savings rate over the year. In short, they are spending more then they are earning. It's a brutal cycle that once you get into it, it's hard to get out.

You can get out of it. But there's only ONE WAY out.

There's no "rebuilding" going to happen. That's not on the agenda.

Lol I'm such a newbie I don't even have my own nic : P

Still Rustler

re: #260 fiat_lux

How do you think we get tough scales to begin with?

/please sir, can I have another
//*WHACK*