Live Shuttle Landing Video

Charles Johnson

Science • Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 12:56 pm PST • Views: 758

NASA TV is streaming live video of the Space Shuttle’s landing at Edwards Air Force Base in California, returning from a successful mission to the International Space Station.

Backdropped against Earth’s horizon and the blackness of space, Endeavour’s Canadian-built robot arm appears amidst elements of the International Space Station. Endeavour had been docked for almost two weeks during the STS-126 mission at the orbital outpost when this image was taken.

Image Credit: NASA

UPDATE at 11/30/08 1:52:30 pm:

A picture perfect landing, and the crew is safely home on Earth.

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SlapLeather Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:58:41pm

Wow!

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 12:59:39pm

very cool,
27 min to touchdown

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:03:20pm

What are CBBHO's plans for the space shuttle?

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:05:38pm

re: #3 MandyManners

it's going to be phased out, new rocket system will be ready in about 4-5 years; until then it's all from Baikonur.

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:05:43pm

Anyone named Tom aboard?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:06:01pm

Lord, be with them closely.
C'mon, guys, cool and easy.

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:06:30pm

re: #4 2by2

it's going to be phased out, new rocket system will be ready in about 4-5 years; until then it's all from Baikonur.

Someone posted a good link the other day--either Kilgore or Killian.

akak Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:07:23pm

Did they see any Chinese people thru the windows of the space station?

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:08:47pm

speed Mach 17 , 14000 miles to go...

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:09:22pm

Is he taking his protein pills?

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:10:02pm

That's a lot of speed and altitude to lose in 17 minutes.

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:11:03pm

re: #9 2by2

speed Mach 17 , 14000 miles to go...

Your posting updates are much appreciated ~ thank you!

pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:11:07pm

re: #11 David IV of Georgia
Air resistance will slow you down, plus they do two big S turns to bleed off speed.

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:12:06pm

Mach 15, 35 miles high, 15 minutes til landing.

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:12:40pm

re: #14 David IV of Georgia

Mach 15, 35 miles high, 15 minutes til landing.

10,000 mph.

stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:12:57pm

Canadian-built robot arm, eh?

Is that a giant can of space beer in its hand?

notutopia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:13:53pm

Obama hadbetter keep his mitts off of NASA.

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:13:55pm

600 miles to landing site
mach 11...

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:14:08pm

Mach 11=7500 mph.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:14:26pm

On NASA's TV view of Edwards, there's a big flying saucer above and to the ... oh, never mind.

pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:15:25pm

Oh come on! A NASA dude really named Poindexter!

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:16:09pm

Mach 8=5300 mph.
20 something miles high.

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:16:23pm

10 min to touchdown

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:16:44pm

re: #21 pingjockey

Oh come on! A NASA dude really named Poindexter!

I wonder if he's kin to the admiral.

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:17:21pm

23 miles up, under 200 mile to landing site, speed mach 6

Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:17:46pm

Sighted

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:17:50pm

M6=4000mph
23 miles high = 120,000ft
200 miles from landing

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:17:56pm

Ooh. I can see it.

Ya' know, I'd be willing to do this if it was 100 per cent safe, if I knew without a shadow of a doubt that I'd get back to Earth in one piece.

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:17:59pm

re: #26 Bobibutu

Sighted

are you waving?

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:18:15pm

there it comes... still 3000 miles per hour, visible now

lostlakehiker Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:18:18pm

Woohoo! They're past peak heating and ought to be OK.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:18:29pm

You can see her now!

Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:18:30pm

re: #20 pre-Boomer Marine brat

On NASA's TV view of Edwards, there's a big flying saucer above and to the ... oh, never mind.

I see it as well ... woah!

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:18:45pm

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You can see her now!

this is SO exciting!

Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:20:01pm

re: #29 outsidephilly

are you waving?

How'd you guess?

Worrell-Rimshot 2012! Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:20:09pm

It's kind of hard to imagine that the space shuttle is just one huge, technologically advanced glider, making it a bit more interesting in landing the thing. NASA has some great pilots (and programmers) to fly the thing.

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:20:49pm

Wow, that sucker is big.

Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:20:58pm

Mach 2 1,100 mph 47 miles to go

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:21:02pm

You lovely thing, you!

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:21:03pm

it's really cool to see this live, thanks for the link Charles.

Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:21:12pm

Just felt the shockwave here in LA...

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:21:31pm

I'm surprised some environuts have raised hell about the sonic booms.

reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:21:51pm

I never get tired of seeing this.

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:22:00pm

HAVEN'T

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:22:08pm

re: #41 Charles

Just felt the shockwave here in LA...

Really? Cool.

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:22:08pm

re: #43 reine.de.tout

I never get tired of seeing this.

me, neither!

pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:22:20pm

I was in Cape Canaveral in '86 when the Challender exploded and told my parents if they were launching a shuttle the next day I'd still go. Was old enough to understand and appreciate the Gemini and Apollo programs. Little to young for understanding Mercury program. I was at one time able to name all 7 Mercury astronauts and all 12 men who've walked on the moon. Not anymore. Damn CRS disease!

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:22:48pm

re: #47 pingjockey

I was in Cape Canaveral in '86 when the Challender exploded and told my parents if they were launching a shuttle the next day I'd still go. Was old enough to understand and appreciate the Gemini and Apollo programs. Little to young for understanding Mercury program. I was at one time able to name all 7 Mercury astronauts and all 12 men who've walked on the moon. Not anymore. Damn CRS disease!

what is CRS disease?

mean Gene Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:23:15pm

Two soft sonic booms from where we are.
So cool!

Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:23:31pm

re: #41 Charles

Just felt the shockwave here in LA...

Awesome. Last time they landed it at Edwards I was on vacation in SoCal. Watched it fly right over Disneyland; even over the crowd noise I could hear the sonic booms.

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:23:42pm

The sonic booms just passed the camera...

pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:23:45pm

re: #48 outsidephilly
Can't remember shit! Closely related to Craft disease..Can't remember a frakkin' thing.

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:23:53pm

What does a sonic boom/shock wave sound/feel like?

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:12pm

re: #52 pingjockey

Can't remember shit! Closely related to Craft disease..Can't remember a frakkin' thing.

lol

solomonpanting Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:14pm

re: #41 Charles

Just felt the shockwave here in LA...

I just logged on, unaware of the "local" landing. I thought a building ran into my house.

Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:21pm

Loved that sonic boom! Couldn't see anything tho.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:30pm

Never ceases to amaze me.

mean Gene Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:39pm

Like a thunder clap but muffled.

Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:50pm

On glideslope

always a good thing

Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:50pm

That is so cool.

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:24:52pm

Wehre are the wheels?

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:25:05pm

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Never ceases to amaze me.

we live in a wonderful time!

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:25:08pm

There they are.

Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:25:23pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Wehre are the wheels?

I think they drop the gear at about 300 feet

Worrell-Rimshot 2012! Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:25:31pm

re: #61 MandyManners

Wehre are the wheels?

They'll be deployed shortly.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:25:33pm

Gear coming down!

mean Gene Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:06pm

Pretty day out there, huh?

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:12pm

re: #66 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gear coming down!

remember when they were dropped into the water?

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:13pm

Does NASA hire someone just to anounce these things? This guy has a really smooth voice. Calm but, slightly tinged with excitement.

2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:20pm

touchdown!

Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:25pm

Hooray!

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:28pm

YEEEHAH!

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:44pm

Take THAT, you nasty terrorists!

David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:26:45pm

Touchdown.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:00pm

Yay!

reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:02pm

Beautiful. Perfect. Spectacular. I never tire of it.

Worrell-Rimshot 2012! Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:09pm

Beautiful landing. Never tire of seeing a launch or landing.

Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:12pm

Sarah Ferguson was the commander ?

Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:15pm

Glad they are home safely.

Aye Pod Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:35pm

Smooth.

Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:38pm

minus one tool bag

reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:27:50pm

I wonder what it feels like to be affected by gravity again after a period of time in space?

Racer X Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:04pm

Nice!

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:09pm

re: #81 Shug

minus one tool bag

kill joy

Clemente Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:17pm

Wow. Just... wow.

Thanks for the link, Charles!

Crusty Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:18pm

And this is what our society did this Thanksgiving weekend.

outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:23pm

re: #81 Shug

minus one tool bag

oops . . .

MandyManners Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:30pm

re: #81 Shug

minus one tool bag

I thought they found it.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:33pm

re: #82 reine.de.tout

Like after Thanksgiving dinner?

doriangrey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:38pm

This is getting to be about as routine as a morning flight from San Diego to L.A...

Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:46pm

Now that put tingles all over me. Not just up my leg.

Racer X Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:56pm

America, fuck yeah!

reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:28:59pm

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like after Thanksgiving dinner?

LOL!
prolly so.

Crusty Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:29:28pm

Gas her up, put a fresh coat of paint on her, restock the beer cooler and send her back up again!

pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:29:34pm

re: #90 doriangrey
That is what they thought before Apollo 13 and the Challenger.

Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:29:57pm

They can launch a space shuttle, fly it a million miles and land it on a dime

but I can't field a decent fantasy football team, not even one f^^*$%^ing week a year

Worrell-Rimshot 2012! Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:30:00pm

re: #88 MandyManners

I thought they found it.

One guy did, floating miles about the Earth, with his telescope. The tool bag should burn up as it enters the atmosphere, whenever that is.

Fat Jolly Penguin Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:30:08pm

re: #88 MandyManners

I thought they found it.

Oh they found it all right, but there was no way they could get to it. It's still orbiting AFAIK, and will be for a good while.

Fredlike Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:30:31pm

re: #94 Crusty

No gas beer or paint, but a lot of work to get her back up.

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garycooper Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:31:08pm

Looks so routine, when everything goes as planned. Hard to remember, how friggin' dangerous the whole enterprise really is. No puns on "enterprise," expressed or intended. ;)

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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:31:19pm

re: #97 commadore183

One guy did, floating miles about the Earth, with his telescope. The tool bag should burn up as it enters the atmosphere, whenever that is.

It's actually tracked and it's orbit is published on the net.

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outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:31:25pm

re: #98 Fat Jolly Penguin

Oh they found it all right, but there was no way they could get to it. It's still orbiting AFAIK, and will be for a good while.

Wonder if Haley's Comet will pick it up?

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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:31:30pm

re: #88 MandyManners

Toolbag tracker. They know where it is.

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Macker Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:31:56pm

re: #69 MandyManners

Does NASA hire someone just to anounce these things? This guy has a really smooth voice. Calm but, slightly tinged with excitement.

One of my coworkers rags me from time to time for my "NASA Mission Control" voice when there's a dropped call..."Unable to hear client, releasing call..."

105

Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:32:17pm

California is so brown

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Muadib Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:32:47pm

Only in the USA.

No thanks to Islam, Marxism, and all that other bullshit.

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Racer X Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:32:51pm

re: #105 Shug

California is so brown

Racist!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:33:11pm

re: #90 doriangrey

This is getting to be about as routine as a morning flight from San Diego to L.A...

I was out and about one day. Heard news over the car radio. Ran into a nearby hotel. Watched TV in the lobby over and over and over and over -- just KNOWING that that streak off to the right on the film had been Challenger.

With respect, Dorian, this is not routine.

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Worrell-Rimshot 2012! Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:33:20pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Toolbag tracker. They know where it is.

LOL that's cool! Thanks for the link :)

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reine.de.tout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:33:25pm

How long before the crew comes out? An hour or so?

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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:33:27pm

re: #101 Bobibutu

It's actually tracked and it's orbit is published on the net.

here ... [Link: www.heavens-above.com...]

ISS tool bag - Visible Passes %P% Home %P% Info. %P% Orbit %P% Prev. %P% Next %P% Help %P%
Search period start: 00:00 Sunday, 30 November, 2008
Search period end: 00:00 Wednesday, 10 December, 2008
Observer's location: Unspecified, 0.0000°N, 0.0000°E
Local time zone: Central European Time (UTC + 1:00)
Orbit: 348 x 353 km, 51.6° (Epoch Nov 26)
No visible passes found within the search period.

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doriangrey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:33:42pm

re: #95 pingjockey

That is what they thought before Apollo 13 and the Challenger.

What can I say, automobile accidents are pretty routine and kill far more people than the space program ever has. Sooner or later the occasional accident and all this will be seen as being as routine as flying from one city to another.

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garycooper Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:34:08pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Women...always losing their bags! ;)

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Muadib Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:34:23pm

re: #105 Shug

California is so brown

That's fuel for the fires.

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:34:57pm

6 million 600 thousand miles traveled

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:35:00pm

Now they've gotta purge those yucky gases out of the systems.

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Clemente Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:35:06pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Toolbag tracker. They know where it is.

They won't if it comes near my part of town, not for long. Some punk'll swipe it for sure,

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doriangrey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:35:28pm

re: #108 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was out and about one day. Heard news over the car radio. Ran into a nearby hotel. Watched TV in the lobby over and over and over and over -- just KNOWING that that streak off to the right on the film had been Challenger.

With respect, Dorian, this is not routine.

As you say, with respect, see my #112...

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outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:35:38pm

re: #117 Clemente

They won't if it comes near my part of town, not for long. Some punk'll swipe it for sure,

nah, my town will get it, first!

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:35:54pm

re: #116 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Now they've gotta purge those yucky gases out of the systems.

Speaking of, I wonder what that shuttle smells like after 6 people and 10 days.
No showers right?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:36:00pm

re: #110 reine.de.tout

How long before the crew comes out? An hour or so?

Probably. Knew once, but can't remember.

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mean Gene Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:36:29pm

re: #105 Shug

California is so brown

That's why any little spark sets it going ablaze so quick.
Each of those little shrubs (buckwheat, sagebrush, juniper) are filled with oils that burn really hot.

Some pics of them in our native CA garden:
[Link: home.earthlink.net...]

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:36:33pm

re: #118 doriangrey

As you say, with respect, see my #112...

(-:
Yes, I saw it.

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Worrell-Rimshot 2012! Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:36:36pm

re: #119 outsidephilly

nah, my town will get it, first!

If there's anything left of it to swipe :P

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:36:56pm

re: #99 Fredlike

No gas beer or paint, but a lot of work to get her back up.

What! No beer?!?

I don't even understand those words...

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:37:01pm

Regarding the tool bag...

"If you can dodge a wrench? You can dodge a ball."

Patches O'Houlihan

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SummerSong Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:37:10pm

re: #105 Shug

California is so brown

Depends on where in CA you live. They irrigate many of the hills where I live.

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outsidephilly Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:37:17pm

re: #124 commadore183

If there's anything left of it to swipe :P

. . . , now, that's wha I'm talkin' bout!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:37:51pm

re: #120 Shug

Speaking of, I wonder what that shuttle smells like after 6 people and 10 days.
No showers right?

Those gases too!
How do they deal with flatulence?
(-:

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pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:37:53pm

re: #112 doriangrey
Oh sure. I misunderstood. Remember as with computers, so space travel. 200 years or less from now this will be regarded as the dark ages!

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:38:57pm

Sniffers

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doriangrey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:40:33pm

re: #125 stevieray

What! No beer?!?

I don't even understand those words...

Yup, that's it... Cancel my ticket, I'll wait for the shuttle that does serve beer... ;p

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:40:37pm

I don't think I'd like to be a sniffer, even for NASA

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:42:14pm

re: #133 Shug

I don't think I'd like to be a sniffer, even for NASA

One whiff of that crap they burn in the engines and you'd leave all your cares behind.

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Clemente Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:43:51pm

re: #130 pingjockey

Oh sure. I misunderstood. Remember as with computers, so space travel. 200 years or less from now this will be regarded as the dark ages!

'Bout the time my grandpa was born, there were these two crazy brothers - bicycle mechanics, I think - playin' around on the Carolina dunes...

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notutopia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:44:02pm

Congratulations Endeavor! Welcome home crew! We are all so proud of you!

Thanks Charles for providing the live streaming link.

BBL

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pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:44:31pm

re: #132 doriangrey

Charles just whacked allah fubar.
Holy crap, Denver up 14 to 7 with 7 minutes gone in the first quarter against the Jets. Looks to be a track meet.

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doriangrey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:44:49pm

OK, I'm off to drive the ole vette faster than I ought to and maybe drink a couple of beers...

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pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:45:29pm

re: #135 Clemente
Yep. My greatgrandkids could be living on Mars or the Moon.

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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:45:50pm

re: #130 pingjockey

Oh sure. I misunderstood. Remember as with computers, so space travel. 200 years or less from now this will be regarded as the dark ages!

from the IBM 602 [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

to the IBM Roadrunner
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

in only 52 years ...

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:46:17pm

re: #139 pingjockey

Yep. My greatgrandkids could be living on Mars or the Moon.

Used to love how Ray Bradbury wrote it!

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doriangrey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:46:39pm

re: #137 pingjockey

Charles just whacked allah fubar.
Holy crap, Denver up 14 to 7 with 7 minutes gone in the first quarter against the Jets. Looks to be a track meet.

Ah, but Alla Dufus did say the magic words first...

"Hey ya'll watch me say somthin to get me banned"...

And he had six socks...

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:48:30pm

fubar indeed

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:49:01pm

Just boarded Amtrak at Penn Station NYC. Lots of police presence. Bomb sniffing dog *on board train*! Never seen that before. Not taking chances I guess.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:50:38pm

re: #144 occasional reader

Probably just some idiot left his bag on the train.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:50:51pm

re: #144 occasional reader

Just boarded Amtrak at Penn Station NYC. Lots of police presence. Bomb sniffing dog *on board train*! Never seen that before. Not taking chances I guess.

Thanks for that.
You go safely!
*thoughts with you*

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:51:24pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Probably just some idiot left his bag on the train.

Wasn't there some sort of alert? A threat?

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:51:36pm

I got myself deleted for quoting the f*tard at #10.
I've never been deleted before... *snif*

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pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:52:13pm

re: #142 doriangrey

Darwin in action..."Hey guys watch this"

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:52:25pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Probably just some idiot left his bag on the train.

No, dog and handler are *riding* with us, is what I meant. Precaution.

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:52:35pm

re: #148 hermit

I got myself deleted for quoting the f*tard at #10.
I've never been deleted before... *snif*

On the Nails Thread that is! Not you Mandy...aw sh*t...I'm gettin' *whacked*
/ducksl

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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:54:14pm

Ah. I seem them sometimes on the Underground in London.

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:54:20pm

Kind of reminds me of life in Colombia. I did remember to thank the cops.

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pingjockey Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:56:24pm

IIRC, right before Thanksgiving there was a credible but unsubstantiated threat against subways, trains, etc...

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So? Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:57:49pm

Very purty. I still think a permanent base should have been built on the moon after the completion of the Apollo missions and a to-the-moon-and-back type of shuttle should have been created.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 1:59:11pm

Well, I'm having a new experience.

My male brought home a shoulder rig for me. I'm not adjusting to wearing it.

Currently, the .45 is unloaded, because I'm a safety fanatic, and I'm not carrying a loaded weapon around with me until I'm more confident about drawing and so on. But man, this thing is heavy!

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:00:11pm

re: #155 So?

You and me, both. To say nothing of using the L-5 points. We could have space-based industries, if we'd just gotten our butts in gear.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:00:41pm

re: #148 hermit

I got myself deleted for quoting the f*tard at #10.
I've never been deleted before... *snif*

I wonder if the deleteds, like that (and I think it's happened to me), subtract from our karma.

Can we play victim to the fucktards we foolishly quoted, are do we have to take personal responsibility for our sins? *shiver* No, not THAT!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:01:40pm

re: #156 Dianna

Well, I'm having a new experience.

My male brought home a shoulder rig for me. I'm not adjusting to wearing it.

Currently, the .45 is unloaded, because I'm a safety fanatic, and I'm not carrying a loaded weapon around with me until I'm more confident about drawing and so on. But man, this thing is heavy!

I just noticed that Salvatore is leaning to the right. Must be the reason.

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IslandLibertarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:01:50pm

"Why wasn't this Space Shuttle sold and the money given to the poor?"
He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and kept the U.S. budget, and stole from what was therein.
He was a Liberal.

/wwjs...

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:03:20pm

re: #120 Shug

Speaking of, I wonder what that shuttle smells like after 6 people and 10 days.
No showers right?

Meteor showers. ;)

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:03:35pm

re: #159 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I just noticed that Salvatore is leaning to the right. Must be the reason.

Salvatore has a violin case, and a thompson's one heck of a load for one little squirrel.

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Mel Lono Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:04:07pm

Got hear the double boom here in SoCAL!

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Randall Gross Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:06:56pm

You never realize how physically violent shuttle re-entry is until you watch the heat waves coming off the landed shuttle's tail fin.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:07:11pm

I was in Cape Canaveral for the launch of the Mars Rover. Coolest damn thing I've ever seen.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:07:38pm

re: #164 Thanos

You never realize how physically violent shuttle re-entry is until you watch the heat waves coming off the landed shuttle's tail fin.

I was wondering about that, but then the news anchors said that it was normal.

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:07:43pm

re: #156 Dianna

Well, I'm having a new experience.

My male brought home a shoulder rig for me. I'm not adjusting to wearing it.

Currently, the .45 is unloaded, because I'm a safety fanatic, and I'm not carrying a loaded weapon around with me until I'm more confident about drawing and so on. But man, this thing is heavy!

Definitely train with unloaded gun or snap caps before you even *dream* of trying to draw and holster a loaded weapon.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:09:07pm

'gclaghorn' has been unbanned, after promising to play nice.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:10:23pm

re: #167 occasional reader

Definitely train with unloaded gun or snap caps before you even *dream* of trying to draw and holster a loaded weapon.

Oh, agreed. There is no way - none - that I am risking my Male, my animals, or my neighbors.

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:10:42pm

re: #167 occasional reader

Definitely train with unloaded gun or snap caps before you even *dream* of trying to draw and holster a loaded weapon.

Too bad Plaxico didn't read that first.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:11:07pm

re: #168 Charles

'gclaghorn' has been unbanned, after promising to play nice.

We'll be watching to see if he keeps his promise. But what about his second account?

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sngnsgt Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:11:23pm

This magic day when super-science mingles with the bright stuff of dreams.

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kcladderman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:12:14pm

re: #135 Clemente

'Bout the time my grandpa was born, there were these two crazy brothers - bicycle mechanics, I think - playin' around on the Carolina dunes...

I remember the moon landing mission. I had just turned 8 was spending the summer with my grandma. My Great grandpa Mullins sat in his chair and watched every hour of that mission. I was running in and out all day just being a kid. I didn't see what the big deal was . Heck they had been flying in space my whole life. My grandma made me sit and watch the actual landing. I am so glad she did. I remember my grandpa Mullins telling me how amazed he was the first time he saw a car,then a plane and now this. He said the we had come a long way in his lifetime.

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:12:18pm

re: #168 Charles

'gclaghorn' has been unbanned, after promising to play nice.

Odds are he'll be gone again within a month.

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:13:16pm

re: #170 HoosierHoops

Too bad Plaxico didn't read that first.

Who? Wha'?

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yah Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:14:24pm

I lived in Coco Beach (just a few miles from Cape Canaveral, now Cape Kennedy) during the late 60's early 70's. We had a lot more rockets going up then. It was just so awesome to see those rockts blast off. Even the little minute men rockets were impressive.

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snopercod Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:14:31pm

Only 800' of runway left at wheel stop? Holy cow, that's a first.

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:14:32pm

Dianna, what brand rig?

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:14:52pm

re: #175 occasional reader

Who? Wha'?

Plaxico Burress of RealWest's Team NY Giants shot himself in leg the other night in a nightclub

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Spider Mensch Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:15:12pm

I was wondering if that person was banned the other day was back somehow..then I was too lazy to go back and look it up, so I figure I had the nics confused, but I was right I see...guess I don'tneed that extra ginkobilboa tablet after all :) yay memory!

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Charles Johnson Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:15:37pm

re: #171 Dianna

We'll be watching to see if he keeps his promise. But what about his second account?

Don't know. Want to explain, gclaghorn?

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bosforus Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:16:18pm

re: #41 Charles

Just felt the shockwave here in LA...

Oh, you SoCals have all the fun!
/

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:16:45pm

re: #181 Charles

Don't know. Want to explain, gclaghorn?

A relative at my house who I alerted when registration was opened.

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2by2 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:17:15pm

re: #168 Charles

'gclaghorn' has been unbanned, after promising to play nice.

I didn't even know that he was banned.

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:17:44pm

re: #184 2by2

I didn't even know that he was banned.

I didn't even know he was a lizard

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:17:52pm

re: #155 So?

They'll eventually have to build one to study the monolith.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:18:02pm

re: #178 occasional reader

Dianna, what brand rig?

MilTech, Inc. (Made in USA).

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:18:15pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

Plaxico Burress of RealWest's Team NY Giants shot himself in leg the other night in a nightclub

Oops.

And if it was an NYC nightclub, that was a highly illegal carry.

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beens21 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:18:30pm

OT OU moves ahead of Texas in BCS poll, Texas beat them 45-35 in Oct.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:18:34pm

re: #188 occasional reader

Oops.

And if it was an NYC nightclub, that was a highly illegal carry.

He's going to be charged.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:18:39pm

gclaghorn? You there. Didn't see what you said, but DON'T SAY IT AGAIN!

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:18:50pm

re: #181 Charles

Don't know. Want to explain, gclaghorn?

You know what is funny Charles.. Poor Rustler just can't get registered to save his life..It's turned into ongoing running joke..

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:08pm

re: #183 gclaghorn

A relative at my house who I alerted when registration was opened.

We look forward to the introduction, then.

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kcladderman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:24pm

re: #176 yah

I lived in Coco Beach (just a few miles from Cape Canaveral, now Cape Kennedy) during the late 60's early 70's. We had a lot more rockets going up then. It was just so awesome to see those rockts blast off. Even the little minute men rockets were impressive.

Ever see her at the supermarket

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Shug Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:31pm

re: #190 gclaghorn

He's going to be charged.

3 1/2 yr sentence is the guideline, per Fox NFL sunday today

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:32pm

re: #188 occasional reader

Oops.

And if it was an NYC nightclub, that was a highly illegal carry.

Plaxico causes his own troubles. Time to trade him to the Browns maybe.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:37pm

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

gclaghorn? You there. Didn't see what you said, but DON'T SAY IT AGAIN!

I said something against the rules about the Mumbai terrorists. I'll be careful what I post from now on, I promise.

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Abu Al-Poopypants Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:44pm

re: #178 occasional reader

Dianna, what brand rig?

Are we talking about The Avengers? ;^)

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swamprat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:19:53pm

re: #181 Charles

Mrs. Swamprat is Sanguine Dragon.

Just so you know.

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:20:29pm

re: #197 gclaghorn

I said something against the rules about the Mumbai terrorists. I'll be careful what I post from now on, I promise.

Thinking is not illegal. Posting is!

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:20:56pm

re: #198 Abu Al-Poopypants

Are we talking about The Avengers? ;^)

Don't I wish! I spent my teens in agony over Diana Rigg's chestnut hair and her incredible cheekbones.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:20:59pm

re: #195 Shug

3 1/2 yr sentence is the guideline, per Fox NFL sunday today

That's where I heard about it. And reading up this and other threads, it appears it's not his first gun violation.

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:20:59pm

re: #41 Charles

Just felt the shockwave here in LA...

I was wondering what that was...awesome.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:21:03pm

re: #197 gclaghorn

Glad you were back. We started to think you'd been planning to be all sweet for a few days (which you were) and then go all... BOING! which you did. I'm hoping you are as likable as you appear to be.

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Spider Mensch Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:21:11pm

re: #193 Dianna

We look forward to the introduction, then.

yeh...like looking forward to meeting norman bates' mother...

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:21:30pm

re: #196 songbird

Plaxico causes his own troubles. Time to trade him to the Browns maybe.

Only playing he'll be doing... ever see "The Longest Yard"?

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:21:41pm

re: #202 gclaghorn

That's where I heard about it. And reading up this and other threads, it appears it's not his first gun violation.

Any speculation on Plaxico's next job?

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:22:13pm

re: #205 Spider Mensch

yeh...like looking forward to meeting norman bates' mother...

Charles let him back in. I'm playing nice until I have cause to do otherwise.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:22:21pm

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glad you were back. We started to think you'd been planning to be all sweet for a few days (which you were) and then go all... BOING! which you did. I'm hoping you are as likable as you appear to be.

I hope I'm a pretty likeable person, too. But I said what I said, got banned for it, and deserved too. Now I'm committed to making it up to Charles.

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coldwarrior Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:23:09pm

re: #195 Shug

3 1/2 yr sentence is the guideline, per Fox NFL sunday today

this is his second gun offence, first was in pittsburgh.

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:23:09pm

re: #196 songbird

{SongBird} Always nice when you visit...What up?

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SurferDoc Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:23:13pm

re: #156 Dianna

Well, I'm having a new experience.

My male brought home a shoulder rig for me. I'm not adjusting to wearing it.

Currently, the .45 is unloaded, because I'm a safety fanatic, and I'm not carrying a loaded weapon around with me until I'm more confident about drawing and so on. But man, this thing is heavy!

I was never able to get used to a shoulder rig other than the military ones--which wouldn't be suitable for civilian use. I hope you have better luck. I would think a woman would do better with a small-of-the back holster or a a shoulder bag rig.

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:23:31pm

re: #196 songbird

Plaxico causes his own troubles. Time to trade him to the Browns maybe.

Not the Browns! They deserve better than that. Maybe the Raiders... home of all those reclamation projects since the 1970's.

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:23:49pm

re: #207 songbird

Any speculation on Plaxico's next job?

License plate Manufacturer.

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snopercod Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:24:26pm

re: #164 Thanos

You never realize how physically violent shuttle re-entry is until you watch the heat waves coming off the landed shuttle's tail fin.

Those "heat waves" are from the Auxiliary Power Units [APUs] which burn hydrazine to power the three hydraulic pumps which control the elevons, body flap, rudder/speed brake, landing gear, and brakes.

The three APU exhaust ports are on either side of the base of the vertical stabilizer. On a night landing, you can actually see flames coming out of the ceramic exhaust ports.

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kcladderman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:24:30pm

re: #209 gclaghorn

I hope I'm a pretty likeable person, too. But I said what I said, got banned for it, and deserved too. Now I'm committed to making it up to Charles.

I can assure you most of us have thought of things to get us banned heck a lot of us have probably even started to type it. It is a good idea if you get to upset with something or someone before you hit the post button just take a deep breath. Has always worked for me.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:24:38pm

re: #209 gclaghorn

I hope I'm a pretty likeable person, too. But I said what I said, got banned for it, and deserved too. Now I'm committed to making it up to Charles.

Yay! We're buds!

I've had one deleted comment. One. Charles' property is ours to tend with proper care.

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BBev Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:24:58pm

re: #212 SurferDoc

I was never able to get used to a shoulder rig other than the military ones--which wouldn't be suitable for civilian use. I hope you have better luck. I would think a woman would do better with a small-of-the back holster or a a shoulder bag rig.

I keep a nice little 9mm in my back pocket :-)

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Rancher Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:25:02pm

Hehe heya Hoosier rustler her about to start 40 inute drive home so registration will open in 10 minutes for 30 minutes. Be safe all and have fun.

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:25:15pm

re: #211 HoosierHoops

{SongBird} Always nice when you visit...What up?

Just peacefully ending a 5 day Thanksgiving vacation. Back to the grindstone tomorrow for three weeks until Christmas.

Hubby got a job offer with the Dept of Commerce in DC so we'll be moving in that general direction. I'll finish my contract here and move in May with my daughter. Hubby will stay with family and look for a home for us.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:25:45pm

re: #212 SurferDoc

I was never able to get used to a shoulder rig other than the military ones--which wouldn't be suitable for civilian use. I hope you have better luck. I would think a woman would do better with a small-of-the back holster or a a shoulder bag rig.

Carrying a .45 at the small of my back is fine as long as I'm standing. The problem with any kind of shoulder bag rig is that you put your purse down, and you may bet on that being the moment you actually need the weapon.

This isn't too uncomfortable, barring the weight, which is a problem no matter what I'm using. It's a .45. I'm a woman of 5 feet, three inches.

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:25:45pm

re: #213 stevieray

Not the Browns! They deserve better than that. Maybe the Raiders... home of all those reclamation projects since the 1970's.

Mr Songbird would agree!

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:26:42pm

re: #212 SurferDoc

Thanks again for the WinZip advice last night. I finally got the file to install correctly.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:26:53pm

re: #207 songbird

Any speculation on Plaxico's next job?

re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yay! We're buds!

I've had one deleted comment. One. Charles' property is ours to tend with proper care.

I think I've had two, for the same reasons. Charles deserves a round of applause for what he does here, and I thank him for letting me come back.

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DoubleU Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:27:30pm

I live in Florida, and the most I ever hear about the landings when they land here is "boom-boom"

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:27:58pm

re: #213 stevieray

Not the Browns! They deserve better than that. Maybe the Raiders... home of all those reclamation projects since the 1970's.

As long as he does not join Pacman, Tank and Terrell. We've done our share of reclamation over the past couple'a years.

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paint-right Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:27:58pm

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They'll eventually have to build one to study the monolith.

Funny! LOL

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:28:00pm

re: #221 Dianna

It's a .45. I'm a woman of 5 feet, three inches.

That damned thing is bigger than you are!

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gregg Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:28:01pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

Plaxico Burress of RealWest's Team NY Giants shot himself in leg the other night in a nightclub

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with Mayor Bloomberg's mandatory 3½-year sentence for anyone busted for illegal possession of a firearm within the city.

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:28:02pm

re: #221 Dianna

You have a CCW license?

I would get something smaller to carry.

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:28:11pm

re: #200 songbird

Thinking is not illegal. Posting is!

I'm just kind of learning as I go along.

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rightwinger3 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:28:28pm

re: #221 Dianna

Dianna, why'd you decide on the .45? If you don't mind me askin'.

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:28:54pm

re: #220 songbird

Just peacefully ending a 5 day Thanksgiving vacation. Back to the grindstone tomorrow for three weeks until Christmas.

Hubby got a job offer with the Dept of Commerce in DC so we'll be moving in that general direction. I'll finish my contract here and move in May with my daughter. Hubby will stay with family and look for a home for us.

Thats great news! Congrads
Plus you'll be so much closer to Indiana and family..

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gclaghorn Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:29:11pm

Gotta go. Be back in a while.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:30:12pm

re: #228 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That damned thing is bigger than you are!

Yeah, but you should see my groups!

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occasional reader Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:30:17pm

Later kids.

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SurferDoc Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:30:29pm

re: #221 Dianna

Carrying a .45 at the small of my back is fine as long as I'm standing. The problem with any kind of shoulder bag rig is that you put your purse down, and you may bet on that being the moment you actually need the weapon.

This isn't too uncomfortable, barring the weight, which is a problem no matter what I'm using. It's a .45. I'm a woman of 5 feet, three inches.

If it is a full weight .45, not an alloy frame, the weight is the problem. It might sound silly but a reversed, butt first, holster over the strong side hip works sitting or standing. I use a left handed belt slide holster (I am right handed) or I slide it into my belt, butt forward and it will stay there unless I have to walk a long distance. Just a thought.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:30:43pm

Ninja cat haz stealth

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:30:48pm

Funny. I've been watching space stuff since the Apollo missions. Sonic booms/shockwaves never occurred to me.

Genius! Get Yer Genius Here!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:30:54pm

re: #231 gclaghorn

I'm just kind of learning as I go along.

Pardon me for sounding (what th' heck ... BEING) patronizing -- it's about learning self-discipline. I look in the mirror, remember, and shiver. The point is, never think that you're alone in the learning process.

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:02pm

re: #231 gclaghorn

I'm just kind of learning as I go along.

You'll be fine. You are new and will discover just how civilized this amazing bunch of lizards are!

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paint-right Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:29pm

I have always lived near an air force base , once a SAC command base, and I remember sonic booms from the B52s as well as conversation being drowned out and TV reception going haywire.

Sigh, the good ole days.

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:41pm

re: #222 songbird

Mr Songbird would agree!

Is Mr. Songbird a Browns fan?

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Abu Al-Poopypants Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Toolbag tracker. They know where it is.

I forget what talk show I was listening to, but a caller was angry that the astronaut let such an expensive toolbag get away, asking why she didn't just 'swim' to get it back.

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:45pm

re: #233 HoosierHoops

Thats great news! Congrads
Plus you'll be so much closer to Indiana and family..

I'm looking forward to that. It's a huge change for us. I'm praying to find work over the summer, and that our home sells in a reasonable amount of time.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:58pm

re: #230 occasional reader

You have a CCW license?

I would get something smaller to carry.

No, there's no way I could get a CCW license. This is the Bay Area; you have to be facing an imminent threat, and even then, they seem to think that it's your duty to die pathetically, rather than being able to defend yourself.

This is, for whatever reason, my Male's way of expressing love and concern. He's not particularly happy about the new administration that's coming in.

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Spider Mensch Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:31:59pm

re: #229 gregg

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with Mayor Bloomberg's mandatory 3½-year sentence for anyone busted for illegal possession of a firearm within the city.

he's a very talented idiot. he may endup violating the personal conduct clause of his contract. therfore he could be a poor idiot also, ala' michael vick. also here's a question that I've been wondering since this became news...whythe hell does he need a gun for anyhow? is he into something really bad? or is he just a show off?

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:32:06pm

re: #243 stevieray

Is Mr. Songbird a Browns fan?

Redskins. And they got totally trounced today! :-(

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:32:53pm

re: #235 Dianna

Yeah, but you should see my groups!

I am not going to "touch that".
I am not going to "touch that".
I am not going to "touch that".
I am not going to "touch that".
I am not going to "touch that".
I am not going to "touch that".
I am not going to "touch that".

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Joan Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:34:10pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Ninja cat haz stealth

lol

ninja cat has teh cuteness

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:34:32pm

Time for rehearsal...bye-a!

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paint-right Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:34:51pm

re: #242 paint-right

Now the big C-5s come in at certain times of the day, right over the road. What a thrill and more so at night - all lit up.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:34:54pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Ninja cat haz stealth

LOL!
Cute!

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:35:19pm

re: #242 paint-right

I have always lived near an air force base , once a SAC command base, and I remember sonic booms from the B52s as well as conversation being drowned out and TV reception going haywire.

Sigh, the good ole days.

I didn't realize '52's could break the sound barrier? Not nit-picking, just surprised...

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:35:54pm

re: #232 rightwinger3

Dianna, why'd you decide on the .45? If you don't mind me askin'.

I started with .45s when I was a kid (knocked myself on the forehead the first time I fired one, too). I've used a .38 revolver, but didn't like it much, probably because it was a "woman's gun", 5 shots, and much too light. I don't like 9 mm - the recoil's not straight, but twists, so it takes a fraction of a second longer to come back on target.

The .45, while it's heavy and loud and does have a recoil - less, of course, with my Kimber and its long barrel - is a straight recoil: my hand comes up, a bit, then I'm back on target and front-sighted again. If I use both hands, I don't actually lose the target at all.

Second, with a .45, at the very least, when you hit a target, it tends to go down and stay down.

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RubyTuesday Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:36:27pm

re: #189 beens21
Guess what? ou ...hoovers.

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:36:40pm

re: #156 Dianna

Well, I'm having a new experience.

My male brought home a shoulder rig for me. I'm not adjusting to wearing it.

Currently, the .45 is unloaded, because I'm a safety fanatic, and I'm not carrying a loaded weapon around with me until I'm more confident about drawing and so on. But man, this thing is heavy!

A wonderful training class for carrying, with 14 hours (class and range time) which helped me learn some extremely important information for carrying.

It seems, imho, that anyone who carries and hasn't had this type of training should definitely take it.

It was offered at my local shooting range - drawing and firing from concealment was incredibly educational.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:37:00pm

re: #237 SurferDoc

Thank you, that's an interesting suggestion.

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paint-right Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:37:10pm

re: #254 LGoPs

I didn't realize '52's could break the sound barrier? Not nit-picking, just surprised...

Well something did and I thought it was them. Maybe it was smaller jets. But then it stopped. Complaints? Policy ? Dunno

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:39:12pm

re: #242 paint-right

We used to live near Glenview Naval Air Station (outside Chicago) when I was growing up. The whole house would rattle from the booms.
Years later had a Navy pilot friend tell me that was the Sound of Freedom...still gives me goosebumps.

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Randall Gross Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:39:18pm

re: #215 snopercod

Those "heat waves" are from the Auxiliary Power Units [APUs] which burn hydrazine to power the three hydraulic pumps which control the elevons, body flap, rudder/speed brake, landing gear, and brakes.

The three APU exhaust ports are on either side of the base of the vertical stabilizer. On a night landing, you can actually see flames coming out of the ceramic exhaust ports.

Wow, I didn't know that, I always assumed it was re-entry heat, thanks for the info.

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yah Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:39:22pm

re: #194 kcladderman

Ever see her at the supermarket

Yes, but not there - CA.
I did meet most of the Astronuts. I worked at the Hilton.
Many of them were very heavy drinkers and smokers. Even just days before "going up."

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:40:02pm

re: #257 gettinby

I'd like to; are you in California?

I know I can't get a permit, but I'd like the class anyway.

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Buck Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:41:01pm

re: #88 MandyManners

I thought they found it.

Well, we know where it is...

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rawmuse Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:41:03pm

I think Plaxico is a natural for the Raiders, come to think of it.

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onlyme Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:41:23pm

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Ninja cat haz stealth

Kitty's eyes look like he's had way too much catnip!

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rightwinger3 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:41:24pm

re: #255 Dianna

I started with .45s when I was a kid (knocked myself on the forehead the first time I fired one, too). I've used a .38 revolver, but didn't like it much, probably because it was a "woman's gun", 5 shots, and much too light. I don't like 9 mm - the recoil's not straight, but twists, so it takes a fraction of a second longer to come back on target.

The .45, while it's heavy and loud and does have a recoil - less, of course, with my Kimber and its long barrel - is a straight recoil: my hand comes up, a bit, then I'm back on target and front-sighted again. If I use both hands, I don't actually lose the target at all.

Second, with a .45, at the very least, when you hit a target, it tends to go down and stay down.

Excellent. I have only one handgun and trying to decide what I want next.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:41:25pm

re: #255 Dianna

(knocked myself on the forehead the first time I fired one, too)

/visualizing Salvatore at the range ... carefully lines up so home is 180 degrees to the rear ... knows he'll only get one round off, and then he'll arrive back at home in a minute or two.

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debutaunt Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:41:31pm

re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny. I've been watching space stuff since the Apollo missions. Sonic booms/shockwaves never occurred to me.

Genius! Get Yer Genius Here!

Hamburger eaters know all about shockwaves.

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kcladderman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:42:20pm

re: #262 yah

Yes, but not there - CA.
I did meet most of the Astronuts. I worked at the Hilton.
Many of them were very heavy drinkers and smokers. Even just days before "going up."

Well I don't know about Air Force pilots but I know Navy pilots enjoy a drink or two. Or at least back in my day.

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HoosierHoops Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:42:27pm

re: #265 rawmuse

I think Plaxico is a natural for the Raiders, come to think of it.

Yea..Since Randy Moss is gone the Raiders really need a disgruntled receiver

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:42:56pm

re: #248 songbird

Redskins. And they got totally trounced today! :-(

Nice weather we're having.

_{^{[... the giants fan says as he deftly changes the subject...]}}

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:43:03pm

re: #267 rightwinger3

Excellent. I have only one handgun and trying to decide what I want next.

What do you have? What have you fired, and what did you like?

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David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:43:24pm

re: #242 paint-right

I have always lived near an air force base , once a SAC command base, and I remember sonic booms from the B52s as well as conversation being drowned out and TV reception going haywire.

Sigh, the good ole days.

The official specs say it will go Mach 0.86, but it is possible at that speed to have parts of the wings and airframe transonic.

Old low bypass jet engines might have sounded like sonic booms going over also.

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:44:12pm

re: #255 Dianna

Have two .45's of my own, one auto and one revolver. Stopping power was the selling point for me. Used to carry a .45 in the Army and got sold on them there. Then the Army changed to 9MM (never bothered to ask my opinion even...the nerve of them) and interestingly I've read combat after action reports out of Iraq saying they need a sidearm with more stopping power...no shit.
sometimes you have to keep re-learning the same lessons...they shoulda called me...
/

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Griffon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:44:14pm

Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan’s president, made an urgent appeal to India on Sunday not to punish his country for the terror unleashed on Mumbai last week, warning that militants had the power to precipitate a war in the region.

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Noam Sayin' Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:44:42pm

re: #207 songbird

Any speculation on Plaxico's next job?

Prison bitch?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:46:23pm

re: #276 Griffon

Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan’s president, made an urgent appeal to India on Sunday not to punish his country for the terror unleashed on Mumbai last week, warning that militants had the power to precipitate a war in the region.

Zardari should have thought of that before he began salivating over the Presidency.

/venal self-serving shit

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paint-right Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:46:56pm

re: #274 David IV of Georgia
from this site: [Link: www.aviationexplorer.com...]

"There are several factors that can influence sonic booms -- weight, size, and shape of the aircraft or vehicle, plus its altitude, attitude and flight path, and weather or atmospheric conditions.

A larger and heavier aircraft must displace more air and create more lift to sustain flight, compared with small, light aircraft. Therefore, they will create sonic booms stronger and louder than those of smaller, lighter aircraft. The larger and heavier the aircraft, the stronger the shock waves will be.

Altitude determines the distance shock waves travel before reaching the ground, and this has the most significant effect on intensity. As the shock cone gets wider, and it moves outward and downward, its strength is reduced. Generally, the higher the aircraft, the greater the distance the shock wave must travel, reducing the intensity of the sonic boom. Of all the factors influencing sonic booms, increasing altitude is the most effective method of reducing sonic boom intensity. "

ME? I know nothing except they used to happen all the time and then they stopped...late nineteen fifties, early sixties

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:48:42pm

re: #275 LGoPs

Have two .45's of my own, one auto and one revolver. Stopping power was the selling point for me. Used to carry a .45 in the Army and got sold on them there. Then the Army changed to 9MM (never bothered to ask my opinion even...the nerve of them) and interestingly I've read combat after action reports out of Iraq saying they need a sidearm with more stopping power...no shit.
sometimes you have to keep re-learning the same lessons...they shoulda called me...
/

They should have, indeed!

I believe in the .45!

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rightwinger3 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:50:45pm

re: #273 Dianna

What do you have? What have you fired, and what did you like?

I have an S&W 915 9mm. I've also fired Beretta M9 and Colt M1911A1 .45 and a few others. Never fired a revolver though and want to check that out before I buy another semi-auto. I really like your Kimber.

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gregg Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:50:56pm

re: #255 Dianna

I started with .45s when I was a kid (knocked myself on the forehead the first time I fired one, too).

Made me think of this "Oops.. I forgot to mention the recoil" YouTube video.

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songbird Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:51:14pm

re: #272 stevieray

Nice weather we're having.

_{^{[... the giants fan says as he deftly changes the subject...]}}

The Redskins played like our local high school team today.

We have a huge rivalry in our town - it's number 9 in the nation ...Las Cruces Bulldogs vs. Mayfield Trojans
Yesterday the Trojans acted like they gave up...and this was a district championship game!

I can't complain...we are Bulldogs fans and since my daughter has to go up to Albuquerque with the band anyways, we are going to watch the NM State Championship game next weekend.

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:52:27pm

re: #263 Dianna

I'm from California (LA area) - left in 90 - then on to Florida!

Whether you can carry or not, or even if you sometimes carry, I'm telling you...this class is great!

/I'm a small woman also, except I LOVE my 9mm. It comes in a 40 by the way. ;)

In Florida, where summer lasts about 10 months with us wearing very, very lightweight clothing, the smaller the better. (Don't want to scare folks with a "bulge." LOL)

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rawmuse Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:52:48pm

re: #280 Dianna

Whatever you shoot with it, stays shot.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:54:46pm

re: #281 rightwinger3

I have an S&W 915 9mm. I've also fired Beretta M9 and Colt M1911A1 .45 and a few others. Never fired a revolver though and want to check that out before I buy another semi-auto. I really like your Kimber.

My Male has the S&W 915; I don't much care for it, though I do like its capacity. The Berettas I've fired have all had nice action, though I thought their triggers were a bit stiff. I am, of course, a ranting, raving fan of the Kimber, so I'm probably not a reliable person on that score.

The advantage of a revolver is lack of jamming, of course. I've not cared for most that I've handled, though.

It's all what you like, and find easy to handle, in the end.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:54:55pm

re: #285 rawmuse

Whatever you shoot with it, stays shot.

Permit me a pun about the reason the weapon was developed.
No get up no Moro.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:55:38pm

re: #285 rawmuse

Whatever you shoot with it, stays shot.

Which is very much the point!

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:56:31pm

re: #285 rawmuse

Whatever you shoot with it, stays shot.

If I'm not mistaken the .45 was developed for the Army when it was fighting the Moro in the Phillipines - early 1900's - hence the model 1911. Moro's would be hopped up on drugs and keep coming with machete's even after being fatally shot. The .45 fixed that problem...

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swamprat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:56:51pm

re: #278 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This is looking like an attempt to get Indias' troops out of Al Qaida-land and over to the India-Pakistan border. They must be getting close.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:57:23pm

re: #284 gettinby

It's a nice little concealed weapon, but I bet it kicks like a mule! So light, and with that short barrel!

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rawmuse Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:57:47pm

I like these, but they are very tight, and are supposed to be.

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shiplord kirel Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:58:27pm

re: #289 LGoPs

If I'm not mistaken the .45 was developed for the Army when it was fighting the Moro in the Phillipines - early 1900's - hence the model 1911. Moro's would be hopped up on drugs and keep coming with machete's even after being fatally shot. The .45 fixed that problem...

Yep. The .45 was designed to use against crazed Muslims and first saw action against Mexican bandits. Since there are still plenty of crazed Muslims and Mexican bandits, it is still a tool of choice.

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stephen Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:58:39pm

I was just there and saw it in person, with my wife and daughter. Unfortunately landing on 04 we didn't get the best view, except for after landing roll-out, but it was still very awesome...picture perfect weather, calm winds 73 degrees. Probably could have landed on 22 OK.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:58:50pm

re: #292 rawmuse

I like these, but they are very tight, and are supposed to be.

I don't think those are designed with women in mind. Given where they've placed the holster.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:58:59pm

re: #289 LGoPs

If I'm not mistaken the .45 was developed for the Army when it was fighting the Moro in the Phillipines - early 1900's - hence the model 1911. Moro's would be hopped up on drugs and keep coming with machete's even after being fatally shot. The .45 fixed that problem...

Precisely

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David IV of Georgia Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:59:15pm

re: #279 paint-right

Friend of mine used to fly B-52s. Now he just flies B-737s. He told me about something that happened in Afghanistan(?). Some US soldiers were pinned down and asked for some close air support. The Air Force replied that it had no planes in the area for such a mission. They talked back and forth a bit until one of the Air Force people remembered that they had an empty B-1 returning from a mission flying near the soldiers. They told the soldiers to get as low as they could and hold their ears. They flew the B-1 over the enemy transonic close to the ground. Deaf and dazed soldiers are much easier to fight. I understand they surrendered.

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rawmuse Sun, Nov 30, 2008 2:59:48pm

re: #295 Dianna

Yeah, I have no idea where boobs would go, much less a piece.

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Outrider Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:01:00pm

re: #275 LGoPs

Have two .45's of my own, one auto and one revolver. Stopping power was the selling point for me. Used to carry a .45 in the Army and got sold on them there. Then the Army changed to 9MM (never bothered to ask my opinion even...the nerve of them) and interestingly I've read combat after action reports out of Iraq saying they need a sidearm with more stopping power...no shit.
sometimes you have to keep re-learning the same lessons...they shoulda called me...
/

I'm with you. I preferred the .45 when I was in and still carry one now.

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swamprat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:01:08pm

re: #298 rawmuse

I ain't commenting.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:01:10pm

re: #290 swamprat

This is looking like an attempt to get Indias' troops out of Al Qaida-land and over to the India-Pakistan border. They must be getting close.

You mean Pakistan's troops, don't you?

That's certainly a possibility.

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swamprat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:01:53pm

re: #301 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, I mis-spoke.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:03:46pm

re: #302 swamprat

Yes, I mis-spoke.

It might also be an attempt to de-stabilize the new Paki gov't.

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opnion Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:04:47pm

Greetings Lizards. If you took Notre Dame & the 32 points against USC, you lose.
Painful game last night. How long before Weiss is let go?

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:05:57pm

re: #299 Outrider

I'm with you. I preferred the .45 when I was in and still carry one now.

Even if the Army didn't want my advice, they coulda beaten it out of me...but happily they chose not to...
:)

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:08:13pm

The more chaos there is in Pakistan, the better the extremist elements will fare.

Musharaf had guts, and the savvy necessary to stay on the tightrope. They hated him.

Zzzz and company are ... well ... vulnerable, no matter how much the people loved Benazir.

Expect crap inside Pakistan.

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:08:37pm

re: #291 Dianna

Not at all, actually.

I'm a little arthritic (hellooo old age!), so recoil is a no-no for me.

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paint-right Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:09:35pm

re: #297 David IV of Georgia

Friend of mine used to fly B-52s. Now he just flies B-737s. He told me about something that happened in Afghanistan(?). Some US soldiers were pinned down and asked for some close air support. The Air Force replied that it had no planes in the area for such a mission. They talked back and forth a bit until one of the Air Force people remembered that they had an empty B-1 returning from a mission flying near the soldiers. They told the soldiers to get as low as they could and hold their ears. They flew the B-1 over the enemy transonic close to the ground. Deaf and dazed soldiers are much easier to fight. I understand they surrendered.

Nice.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:10:15pm

re: #307 gettinby

Huh. My experience of 9's is recoil. Lots and lots of recoil.

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swamprat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:10:33pm

re: #303 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It might also be an attempt to de-stabilize the new Paki gov't.

Al-qaida needs breathing room, it would seem. Looks like somebody wants those troops elsewhere. Nice story, right down to one convenient guy left alive to paint the frame, so the picture doesn't need any captions.

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DistantThunder Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:11:21pm

Is America Great or What?

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Wishing Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:11:56pm

re: #307 gettinby

That PPS is a nice little carry weapon. Is it a good shooter, or do you have to guesstimate?

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:12:51pm

Whooosh -- I'm back. That was weirod! After my comment was deleted, I had lots of trouble with my internet connection. If I were the paranoid sort -- wait,...aw sh*t, I am!

I wasn't banned or anything, I just made the mistake of quoting when I should have merely replied.

Shut down, ran AdAware and now it all seems okay.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:15:24pm

re: #310 swamprat

one convenient guy left alive to paint the frame

Based upon what little I know, his being a captive is more in line with the fortunes of war. (And probably because he has no balls.) At the moment, I very seriously doubt that it was deliberate.

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kynna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:15:36pm

I heard it but I'd forgotten it was going to happen. Quite a startle. O_o

I'm glad they're safe. God bless 'em.

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CynicalConservative Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:15:38pm

re: #309 Dianna

Huh. My experience of 9's is recoil. Lots and lots of recoil.

I spent a good bit of time tuning a custom load for my 9mm (Beretta and Ruger) to have minimal recoil; standard 124 grain and 115 grain bullets tend to kick more so I use 147 grain with a ~70% max recommended charge behind it. Hardly feel any recoil with it now.

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:15:44pm

okay, are you guys just messin' with me or what?

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:16:06pm

oh, there everybody is...

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:16:33pm

re: #309 Dianna

Well, I like what you said earlier in the thread.

Something along the lines of it's what you like and is easy to handle.

I've shot with quite a few pistols, and this guy and I get along very well.

My husband carries a Smith & Wesson MP40 Compact, and I like it, too. A very small pistol with very little recoil also.

/I'm having trouble getting to websites to link. My javascript or something(?) is "off" is the announcement. WTH is that?

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:18:11pm

re: #312 Wishing

That PPS is a nice little carry weapon. Is it a good shooter, or do you have to guesstimate?

No guessing - very accurate shots (I mostly shoot at 7 yds though...maybe a different story further out).

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:18:36pm

re: #313 hermit

Whooosh -- I'm back. That was weirod! After my comment was deleted, I had lots of trouble with my internet connection. If I were the paranoid sort -- wait,...aw sh*t, I am!

There was a loud rumbling from the volcano. We figured you'd been thrown in.

/then there was a seismic belch, and here you are!

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:18:57pm

Anybody heard from Hermit lately? He/she's been gone quite a while...

nyuk, nyuk...evil joke...feeding paranoia...

:) glad you're back

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opnion Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:22:00pm

This might have been covered already, Kathleen Parker writing this morning compared the Obama's to Ward & June Cleaver. You know just folks & she was serious.

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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:22:17pm

re: #242 paint-right

"I remember sonic booms from the B52s "

52s are not capable of supersonic flight. They are subsonic.

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mitthrawnurdo Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:22:58pm

OT:

Is Samantha Power back on Obama's team, the same person that called for US troops to be used to force an Israeli/Pali agreement?

Agency Review Teams, look under National Security Team.

/My apologies if this was already noticed or this list is out-of-date.

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:23:52pm

re: #319 gettinby

Well, I like what you said earlier in the thread.

Something along the lines of it's what you like and is easy to handle.

I've shot with quite a few pistols, and this guy and I get along very well.

My husband carries a Smith & Wesson MP40 Compact, and I like it, too. A very small pistol with very little recoil also.

/I'm having trouble getting to websites to link. My javascript or something(?) is "off" is the announcement. WTH is that?

Have you made sure the "http//www" part doesn't get dropped? Or doubled? I think both would be a problem. (This exhausts my expertise on the subject).

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:24:04pm

re: #321 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The seismic belch must have been rejection of the sacrifice.
/I hear they only take virgins...

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LGoPs Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:24:08pm

re: #324 Bobibutu

"I remember sonic booms from the B52s "

52s are not capable of supersonic flight. They are subsonic.

paint-right said that they were probably other aircraft types...

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Apprentice Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:24:12pm

Zardari should be told bluntly that “We are here not to punish your country, but to destroy your militants. If they precipitate a war then so be it! The bottom line is that they will be destroyed. Are you with us or against us?

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:25:43pm

re: #322 LGoPs

My paranoia is well fed thank you! *shiver*
/searching cave frantically for prescription bottle...

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:26:01pm

re: #327 hermit

The seismic belch must have been rejection of the sacrifice.
/I hear they only take virgins...

Heh
I was going to leave that to others to pick up on.
We have a slow room today.

Speaking of which, I've got to leave to get stuff done.

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:26:15pm

re: #326 Dianna

Thanks.

/You have more knowledge than I! LOL

I'll just call my computer wiz-fixer tomorrow.

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:27:25pm

re: #331 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Blessings on your day!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:28:04pm

Gone for the evening, gang.

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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:28:19pm

re: #328 LGoPs

paint-right said that they were probably other aircraft types...

RGR thx - my bro-in-law was deputy base commander at Sattahip, Thailand back in the 60s + 70s. U.S. B-52 Base.

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Wishing Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:28:29pm

re: #320 gettinby

No guessing - very accurate shots (I mostly shoot at 7 yds though...maybe a different story further out).

I use a CZ 75D PCR for 9mm Link.
But my gun of choice is Sig P220 carry elite here.
But I am always looking for new and fun to shoot guns!
I am small too, and prefer the lighter guns.

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:28:42pm

re: #309 Dianna

Huh. My experience of 9's is recoil. Lots and lots of recoil.

Then never, ever shoot a 22, hell for that matter, move-up to .50 - with a 5" barrel. You'll never notice a thing.

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Killian Bundy Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:29:21pm

Doctors shocked at hostages's torture

"Bombay has a long history of terror. I have seen bodies of riot victims, gang war and previous terror attacks like bomb blasts. But this was entirely different. It was shocking and disturbing," a doctor said.

Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said.

Asked specifically if he was talking of torture marks, he said: "It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood," one doctor said.

The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again," he said.

Anyone surprised?

'Our Culture Is Better'

Having his own party liberates Mr. Wilders to speak his mind. As he sees it, the West suffers from an excess of toleration for those who do not share its tradition of tolerance. "We believe that -- 'we' means the political elite -- that all cultures are equal," he says. "I believe this is the biggest disease today facing Europe. . . . We should wake up and tell ourselves: You're not a xenophobe, you're not a racist, you're not a crazy guy if you say, 'My culture is better than yours.' A culture based on Christianity, Judaism, humanism is better. Look at how we treat women, look at how we treat apostates, look at how we go with the separation of church and state. I can give you 500 examples why our culture is better."

/sing it Geert an nice hair

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:32:53pm

re: #338 Killian Bundy

Thanks for the link Killian...but now I have to go smoke, ...or cry or something. I am physically ill for having read that. Still I thank you for putting it up here.
/*sniff*puff*sniff*

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hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:33:19pm

BBIAW Lizards.

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gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:33:22pm

re: #336 Wishing

Oooo...fun!

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Dianna Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:33:55pm

re: #337 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Then never, ever shoot a 22, hell for that matter, move-up to .50 - with a 5" barrel. You'll never notice a thing.

I've fired the Desert Eagle with the gas-uptake recoil. I could handle it, but my grouping went to hell.

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stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:33:55pm

re: #338 Killian Bundy

"We believe that -- 'we' means the political elite -- that all cultures are equal," he says. "I believe this is the biggest disease today facing Europe. . . . We should wake up and tell ourselves: You're not a xenophobe, you're not a racist, you're not a crazy guy if you say, 'My culture is better than yours.' A culture based on Christianity, Judaism, humanism is better. Look at how we treat women, look at how we treat apostates, look at how we go with the separation of church and state. I can give you 500 examples why our culture is better."

Ahhh... truth. From the lips of a politician yet! Music to my ears.

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Bob Dillon Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:36:03pm

True or not ... very funny.

Top THIS One For A Speeding Ticket

Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on I-15, just north of the Marine Corps Air Station at Miramar. One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles approaching the crest of a hill. The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and then turned off.

Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact locked on to a USMC F/A-18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying exercise near the location.

Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the USMC Base Commander. The reply came back in true USMC style: Thank you for your letter. We can now complete the file on this incident.

You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it shut down.

Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also automatically locked on to your equipment location. Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched to destroy the hostile radar position.

The pilot also suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the video systems on these jets are very high tech. Sergeant Johnson, the officer holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It appears the filling is loose. Also, the snap is broken on his holster.

Thank you for your concern. Semper Fi

Joseph Mormando LtCol USMC

345

gettinby Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:36:50pm

re: #338 Killian Bundy

I read that earlier today when you posted it (I think it was you), and have cried on and off since.

It is a pain in my heart that is not easy to explain (or relieve).

346

hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:39:42pm

Before I go -- my prayer:

"Forgive us for despising them Father, for they know exactly what they do. That they claim their actions in your Name, we beg Your Justice. May they meet Your Justice before they meet ours that we may retain our human dignity and not become like them. Amen"

347

Killian Bundy Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:40:21pm

re: #345 gettinby

I read that earlier today when you posted it (I think it was you), and have cried on and off since.

It is a pain in my heart that is not easy to explain (or relieve).

Wasn't me.

/hat tip to whomever's link I reposted

348

callahan23 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:41:03pm

re: #338 Killian Bundy

"We believe that -- 'we' means the political elite -- that all cultures are equal," he says. "I believe this is the biggest disease today facing Europe. . . . We should wake up and tell ourselves: You're not a xenophobe, you're not a racist, you're not a crazy guy if you say, 'My culture is better than yours.' A culture based on Christianity, Judaism, humanism is better. Look at how we treat women, look at how we treat apostates, look at how we go with the separation of church and state. I can give you 500 examples why our culture is better."

Geerd Wilders seems to be the only politician around in Europe that does speak the truth without falling in the traps of neither being a radical xenophobe/Nazi nor being a relativist who constantly reminds the public that Islam would in "reality" translate to being "peaceful".

349

Killian Bundy Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:47:10pm

re: #348 callahan23

Geerd Wilders seems to be the only politician around in Europe that does speak the truth without falling in the traps of neither being a radical xenophobe/Nazi nor being a relativist who constantly reminds the public that Islam would in "reality" translate to being "peaceful".

/it's not a question of religion, it's a question of behavior

350

infidel4ever Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:52:24pm

re: #276 Griffon

Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan’s president, made an urgent appeal to India on Sunday not to punish his country for the terror unleashed on Mumbai last week, warning that militants had the power to precipitate a war in the region.

Well, as a sign of goodwill he could start getting rid of those training camps...

351

Hengineer Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:52:32pm

re: #344 Bobibutu

True or not ... very funny.

Top THIS One For A Speeding Ticket

Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on I-15, just north of the Marine Corps Air Station at Miramar. One of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles approaching the crest of a hill. The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300 miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not reset and then turned off.

Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact locked on to a USMC F/A-18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying exercise near the location.

Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the USMC Base Commander. The reply came back in true USMC style: Thank you for your letter. We can now complete the file on this incident.

You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it shut down.

Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also automatically locked on to your equipment location. Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched to destroy the hostile radar position.

The pilot also suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the video systems on these jets are very high tech. Sergeant Johnson, the officer holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It appears the filling is loose. Also, the snap is broken on his holster.

Thank you for your concern. Semper Fi

Joseph Mormando LtCol USMC

cute

352

callahan23 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:53:02pm

re: #349 Killian Bundy

/it's not a question of religion, it's a question of behavior

Sure enough. Behavior is firstly instilled into the child by it's parents in it's youth by the associates, friends and wider family. And all of the above derive their behavior from the culture, mentality and it's underlying morality-giving body that is the cultures/nations religion.

353

Flying Dutchman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:54:59pm

re: #349 Killian Bundy

/it's not a question of religion, it's a question of behavior

Religion / culture induced behavior

354

Hengineer Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:55:35pm

re: #353 Flying Dutchman

Religion / culture induced behavior

How dare you question someone's behavioral life choices!

355

goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:56:06pm

Good evening, Lizards.

356

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:56:39pm

re: #346 hermit

Before I go -- my prayer:

"Forgive us for despising them Father, for they know exactly what they do. That they claim their actions in your Name, we beg Your Justice. May they meet Your Justice before they meet ours that we may retain our human dignity and not become like them. Amen"

wow

beautiful

UPDING EVERYBODY! This one needs to be at the top of the list! ! !

357

callahan23 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:57:12pm

I bow to the Goddess.

358

Flying Dutchman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:57:55pm

re: #354 Hengineer

How dare you question someone's behavioral life choices!

My bad ;-)

359

SurferDoc Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:58:55pm

My prayer would have to be something like: "Dear God, please forgive me in advance for my presumption because if, while waiting for these terrorists to meet your justice, they mess with me or mine, I'm going to pinch hit for you until I run out of ammunition. Thanks, SurferDoc"

360

callahan23 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 3:59:03pm

re: #356 LeePro

re: #346 hermit

wow

beautiful

UPDING EVERYBODY! This one needs to be at the top of the list! ! !

Sadly I cannot upding more than once.

361

Hengineer Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:02:10pm

re: #356 LeePro

wow

beautiful

UPDING EVERYBODY! This one needs to be at the top of the list! ! !

wait you're going to upding everybody? :-P

362

ciaospirit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:02:41pm

re: #338 Killian Bundy

Reminds me of the panel discussion I watched on TV not long ago. WWII Vets talking about their war experiences in great detail, especially Iwo Jima. One guy didn't mince words nor try to shield anyone from the cold truth as he relayed his story in great detail including what the Japs did to our captured wounded, so ugly was it that I was sick for days over it.

363

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:06:32pm

re: #347 Killian Bundy

"...to whomever's link"

Gah-h-h-h-h! ! !

WHOever's! WHOever's link!

You can say "to whomever" but not "to whomever's" whatever!

/grammar rant off

^{_{Sorry - - - [not]}}

_{^{_{: : : covering head... running for door! : : :}}}

364

Killian Bundy Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:09:00pm

re: #363 LeePro

I always screw that one up.

/my bad

365

goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:10:51pm

re: #363 LeePro

"...to whomever's link"

Gah-h-h-h-h! ! !

WHOever's! WHOever's link!

You can say "to whomever" but not "to whomever's" whatever!

/grammar rant off

^{_{Sorry - - - [not]}}

^{_{: : : covering head... running for door! : : :}}

I pride myself on not just knowing the rules but the whys.

366

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:12:13pm

re: #361 Hengineer

wait you're going to upding everybody? :-P

Upding [COMMA] everybody

There!

^{_{: : : abashed acceptance of grammar face-slap : : :}}

367

goddessoftheclassroom Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:14:08pm

re: #363 LeePro

"...to whomever's link"

Gah-h-h-h-h! ! !

WHOever's! WHOever's link!

You can say "to whomever" but not "to whomever's" whatever!

/grammar rant off

^{_{Sorry - - - [not]}}

^{_{: : : covering head... running for door! : : :}}

I just clicked on your link. I've downloaded it, and I'm going to print it so that I can post it on my class room door!

368

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:18:21pm

re: #364 Killian Bundy

I always screw that one up.

/my bad

Not "bad" --- just mistaken --- lots of folks do that.
Just remember "to → link" --- object of preposition "to." The word "whoever's" is a modifier.

re: #365 goddessoftheclassroom

I pride myself on not just knowing the rules but the whys.

yup. painful burden, too, sometimes.
;D

369

stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:19:34pm

re: #363 LeePro

That's right! "To whomever's" ain't no good grammar... and don't you forget it!

370

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:20:28pm

re: #367 goddessoftheclassroom

I just clicked on your link. I've downloaded it, and I'm going to print it so that I can post it on my class room door!

WOW ! ! !

I am so flattered!
¦ D

371

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:21:41pm

re: #369 stevieray

That's right! "To whomever's" ain't no good grammar... and don't you forget it!

Don't you never forget it ! ! !

372

hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:23:16pm

re: #356 LeePro

Thank You, LeePro, but the up-dings belong to Charles. Without this site, I would never have been aware enough to pray it or free enough to post it.

373

stevieray Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:25:21pm

re: #371 LeePro

Don't you never forget it ! ! !

Them's too!

374

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:32:00pm

re: #372 hermit

Thank You, LeePro, but the up-dings belong to Charles. Without this site, I would never have been aware enough to pray it or free enough to post it.

No, the praise for sharing that prayer belongs to you, hermit, at #346.

Yes, thank you, Charles, for providing this invaluable outlet, but credit for good and wonder-full thoughts belongs to the authors of them.

375

aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:32:01pm

re: #342 Dianna

I've fired the Desert Eagle with the gas-uptake recoil. I could handle it, but my grouping went to hell.

The Eagle's a handful.

Never fired one myself. No reason to.

376

hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:34:57pm

re: #374 LeePro

/hermit bows - praying there wasn't a typo or grammar error in the prayer...hee

377

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:45:51pm

re: #376 hermit

/hermit bows - praying there wasn't a typo or grammar error in the prayer...hee

lol!

378

hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:51:41pm

re: #377 LeePro

Well, nobody want to eff-up in front of you and goddess!

379

hermit Sun, Nov 30, 2008 4:52:55pm

or wants --see my hands are shaking!

380

LeePro Sun, Nov 30, 2008 5:06:30pm

re: #378 hermit

Well, nobody want to eff-up in front of you and goddess!

re: #379 hermit

or wants --see my hands are shaking!

Oh, my ! ! !

Here, have a lollipop and RELAX ! ! !

We mean no harm. We're actually just a coupla' teddy bears, not big bad bears!

381

itellu3times Sun, Nov 30, 2008 6:00:03pm

had a good sonic ka-boom in west LA, but I wasn't near the keyboard.

382

Just Another Four-letter Word Sun, Nov 30, 2008 6:37:11pm

re: #344 Bobibutu

True or not ... very funny.

Top THIS One For A Speeding Ticket

.
.
.
You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it shut down.

Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also automatically locked on to your equipment location. Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched to destroy the hostile radar position.

The pilot also suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the video systems on these jets are very high tech. Sergeant Johnson, the officer holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It appears the filling is loose. Also, the snap is broken on his holster.

Thank you for your concern. Semper Fi

Joseph Mormando LtCol USMC

I call BS on the HARM missile being armed, they don't do that sort of thing during training - i.e., having the missile ready to launch. They have the sets warmed up and listening/radiating, but nothing is ARMED.

As far as the video systems? Oh my, yes.

The Light Colonel was having very much fun with the troopers, obviously!

Stick it in their eye, Colonel! Heh.

(In'73 we had an LE (Law Enforcement) on Minot AFB that kept taking his radar gun back to the Comm Repair Shop - after the third trip they finally got it out of him what he was doing before the unit got fried... He was taking the speed of a landing B-52 because he was bored and wanted to see how fast it was going. Two things resulted from this, the LE's were told NEVER to point an operational radar at a military aircraft, and the flight crews were briefed to turn off their ECM before landing.)

Lizards, NEVER point a laser or radar at an operational military aircraft unless you have the IFF/SIF code of the day. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just DON'T, okay? You *may* live to regret it, you may not...

JAFLW

383

Brigman Sun, Nov 30, 2008 7:32:27pm

re: #49 mean Gene

Two soft sonic booms from where we are.
So cool!

Soft?! They nearly blew the windows out at our house! It was awesome!

384

Ledger1 Sun, Nov 30, 2008 7:51:38pm

re: #350 infidel4ever

Well, as a sign of goodwill he could start getting rid of those training camps...-I4e

There are plenty of identified training camps. The Indians could mine them. It would get a few of the perps and send fear through the rest. Heck, with help from the US those camps could be mined from the air at night - which would provide a nice surprise for them.

385

Fionn MacCumhaill Sun, Nov 30, 2008 8:45:56pm

re: #282 gregg

Made me think of this "Oops.. I forgot to mention the recoil" YouTube video.

I fired one of those once. Once was enough. It left me with a stinging pain in both wrists that took an hour to go away.

386

Fionn MacCumhaill Sun, Nov 30, 2008 8:58:28pm

re: #316 CynicalConservative

I spent a good bit of time tuning a custom load for my 9mm (Beretta and Ruger) to have minimal recoil; standard 124 grain and 115 grain bullets tend to kick more so I use 147 grain with a ~70% max recommended charge behind it. Hardly feel any recoil with it now.

I once made a batch of 9mm for my Browning Hi-Power with (IIRC) 2.5 gr of Bullseye and a Linotype metal bullet cast in a Lee mold intended to make 105 gr. bullets. The bullets came out at 101 gr. with the Linotype metal. The Browning was 100% reliable with this load and would drop the empties on the ground directly under the gun.

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