The more things change, the more they stay the same.

OK so who will NY Gov Paterson appoint to fill Hillary's Senate seat?

Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer?

I'm actually quite surprised she took the job.

re: #3 CIA Reject

OK so who will NY Gov Paterson appoint to fill Hillary's Senate seat?

Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer?

The list seems to be of those under the bus.

Hope no one notices the lack of Change.

Goodbye Jerusalem, hello Abu Dis.

And:

and said he wants to consult with military commanders before settling on a firm timetable to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq. ...

But....but....but....16 months.

re: #3 CIA Reject

OK so who will NY Gov Paterson appoint to fill Hillary's Senate seat?

Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer?

Either way, get out the chastity belts.

As a precaution, all lamps have been removed from the Cabinet Meeting Room.

She should have been the Ambassador to Thighland.

re: #3 CIA Reject

OK so who will NY Gov Paterson appoint to fill Hillary's Senate seat?

Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer?

Is Plaxico Burress a resident of New York?

re: #5 debutaunt

The list seems to be of those under the bus.

I'm just invoking Murphy's Last Law ("If it was bad, it will be back") and those two bubbled to the top of the list of NY Democrats who really should just assume their places on the Trash Heap of History.....

...but won't...

re: #11 gregg

Is Plaxico Burress a resident of New York?

He lives in Totowa NJ. Oh joy another credit to my fair state?

There is such angst on the left due to BHO's appointments and actions since the election. They should have seen this coming based on his Law Review arfticles. No wait, nobody can find any.

What has Hillary actually accomplished?

re: #6 Racer X

Hope no one notices the lack of Change.

No. Its all about C.H.A.N.G.E. (Clinton Had A Nifty Group of Employees)

re: #15 Racer X

What has Hillary actually accomplished?

Chelsie?

re: #11 gregg

Is Plaxico Burress a resident of New York?

He will soon be a guest of the State.

re: #8 CommonCents

re: #11 gregg

I wonder if Joey Buttafuco is a Democrat?

And now, seamlessly, it's "Combat Troops" that are to be withdrawn.

He is ready to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years!

I want to say something pithy and witty, but nothing comes to mind. Time to sit back and watch the decline and fall...

re: #19 CIA Reject

re: #11 gregg

I wonder if Joey Buttafuco is a Democrat?

I thought he moved to CA?

re: #4 noshariaincanada

I'm actually quite surprised she took the job.

It might be as close to the presidency as she will ever get.

So, is Hillary gonna make less than the guys in the cabinet? That's how the Obama rolls, right?

re: #6 Racer X Big upding on that one!
I wish we actually had an even semi-honest MSM to point out that the man who ran with virtually no experience or record of achievement, won because he pledged Hope and Change and that "Change" expicitily decried the "beltway politics" of Washington and so he picks a sitting Senator as Sec of State and Clinton/Carter retreads for his cabinet and other important government positions?
And I just don't understand Hillary's accepting Secretary of State.

it's always nice to see incompetence being rewarded.

like attracts like.

re: #22 Nevergiveup

I thought he moved to CA?

Yes, now that you mention it I think he did- well at least that's one off the list...

re: #4 noshariaincanada

Me, too. I don't really see an up side to this for her. Sec States don't usually go on to become President, and if Obama fails, she'll go down harder and faster than he will. It seems like she's putting a lot of eggs in the same basket, and betting her political future on an Obama success.

I don't know where that is going to come from. Obama already looks like a failure. A failure with delusions of grandure, no less.

We are so fuckin' screwed...

re: #20 Ben Hur

And now, seamlessly, it's "Combat Troops" that are to be withdrawn.

He is ready to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years!

Nooo! really? A hundred years? what a war monger!

Perhaps OT, but...

Bill Ayers, Former Weather Underground Domestic Terrorist: “We didn’t do enough.”

Azam Amir Kasab, Mumbai Surviving Terrorist: “We didn’t kill enough.”

re: #25 realwest

And I just don't understand Hillary's accepting Secretary of State.

well, where exactly does that office stand in the line of succession, should "something bad" happen?

/cynical

In 1993 Bill Clinton appointed Hillary to head up the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. She had 7 years to make improvements. How did that work out?

re: #30 NelsFree

Perhaps OT, but...

Bill Ayers, Former Weather Underground Domestic Terrorist: “We didn’t do enough.”

Azam Amir Kasab, Mumbai Surviving Terrorist: “We didn’t kill enough.”

Awesome!

That means my 2 year old son can hang around with him and still run for Pres!

re: #28 Iron Fist

I am just hoping that he will be so scared that he won't do a thing. Unfortunately, I suspect in reality, he will make tons of bad decisions based on bad input from his 300 advisors.

bbl

"I assembled this team because I am a strong believer in strong personalities and strong opinions," he said.

"I think that's how the best decisions are made. One of the dangers in a White House, based on my reading of history, is that you get wrapped up in group-think and everybody agrees with everything and there's no discussion and there are no dissenting views. So I am going to be welcoming a vigorous debate inside the White House."

"But understand, I will be setting policy as president. I will be responsible for the vision that this team carries out, and I will expect them to implement that vision once decisions are made."

In summary: I want eveyone to have and voice their own opinions loudly so long as those voiced opinions are in lock step with mine.

re: #31 ploome hineni

no butts about it

We need to stay aBreast of the changes.

re: #27 CIA Reject

Yes, now that you mention it I think he did- well at least that's one off the list...

I think they should appoint Rangel. I mean he is so corrupt how much worse can he get? And he already has places both in NYC and DC. Not to mention a place in the Islands to rest his weary bones?

re: #23 father_of_10

It might be as close to the presidency as she will ever get.

That puts her fourth in line.

re: #15 Racer X
Well for one thing she was elected to the US Senate twice - she was the Senior Senator from New York. She didn't vote "present" and was actually in the Senate far more often than Obama.
And to her credit she DID vote for the war in Iraq.
And even more to her credit, she pisses off the Koskids and the inhabitants of DU A LOT. I'd say that, compared to Obama's record of accomplishment, she's done a helluva lot!

re: #25 realwest

And I just don't understand Hillary's accepting Secretary of State.

It gives her experience to challenge The One™ in 2012.

re: #33 redc1c4

well, where exactly does that office stand in the line of succession, should "something bad" happen?

/cynical

Right after the VP, I believe. Am I right?

re: #31 ploome hineni

Your comments has legs, keep it going.

Wait, doesn't New York have a lax residency requirement to become a Senator, like 30 seconds before taking the oath or promising to be a Yankee fan?
I don't think that William Ayers has a felony conviction & he would be perfect to replace Hillary, you know working with the new administration & all.

re: #28 Iron Fist

Me, too. I don't really see an up side to this for her. Sec States don't usually go on to become President, and if Obama fails, she'll go down harder and faster than he will.

but will she be faster than Monica? i believe she still holds the White House record.........

/white smoke

re: #33 redc1c4

well, where exactly does that office stand in the line of succession, should "something bad" happen?

/cynical

Cynical you may be, but accurate in the political calculus also I would bet.

I am surprised she took the job, since it's un-Constitutional for her to do so ...

re: #46 NelsFree

I'm hip to it

I'm wondering at what point some reporter is going to ask Obama about his continuation of Bush's "failed " policies?

Or if he concludes the surge was, as demonstrated, a success?

re: #30 NelsFree

Perhaps OT, but...

Bill Ayers, Former Weather Underground Domestic Terrorist: “We didn’t do enough.”

Azam Amir Kasab, Mumbai Surviving Terrorist: “We didn’t kill enough.”

Two men, one totalitarian evil.

Right now, Dennis Prager (on his radio show) is advocating the legal carrying of concealed weapons, in order to protect ourselves from domestic terror attacks.

re: #40 Nevergiveup

I think they should appoint Rangel. I mean he is so corrupt how much worse can he get? And he already has places both in NYC and DC. Not to mention a place in the Islands to rest his weary bones?

Yes, but that just shifts him from one house of Congress to another- we need to get fresh blood in down in DC.

What's David Dinkins doing these days?

re: #54 Kenneth

I'm hip to it

quit being cheek-y

what makes her qualified?

re: #45 father_of_10

Right after the VP, I believe. Am I right?

You and Haig? I believe she is 4th in line. After VP Speaker of the HOuse, and Protem of Senate

re: #20 Ben Hur

And now, seamlessly, it's "Combat Troops" that are to be withdrawn.

He is ready to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years!

Occupation troops get ignored by the Left until they are called upon to actually fight.

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cynical you may be, but accurate in the political calculus also I would bet.

i'm not cynical, i'm experienced. %-)

re: #45 father_of_10

Right after the VP, I believe. Am I right?

No, right after the President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, which right now is none other than Robert "Sheets" Byrd. Before him is Nancy "Blinky" Pelosi, and Joe Biden (does he really need a nic?).

re: #61 Nevergiveup

You and Haig? I believe she is 4th in line. After VP Speaker of the HOuse, and Protem of Senate

Place your bets!

re: #3 CIA Reject

OK so who will NY Gov Paterson appoint to fill Hillary's Senate seat?

Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer?

Rep. Nydia Velazquez.

re: #53 bill-tb

I am surprised she took the job, since it's un-Constitutional for her to do so ...

And when has the Constitution ever mattered to her?

re: #28 Iron Fist
Yeah, I agree with you. I just don't see WHY she would accept this position. She will be obliged to carry out Obama's foreign policy (to the extent he ever gets one other than stab Israel in the back) and - just as did Condi Rice, SHE'LL get all the blame for OBAMA's failures in the foreign policy field.

re: #63 redc1c4

i'm not cynical, i'm experienced. %-)

I'm both. ;)

A lot is being made of Obama's "Team of Rivals" ala what Lincoln did during his first term. However, I read years ago Gore Vidal's book "Lincoln" (great read by the way and very historically accurate.) What many don't realize is that Lincoln's cabinet attempted a palace coup. Probably in a more modern and subtle way, I am guessing we will see the same. I just cannot see Hillary, when she and Obama are well into the game and have made decisions that they will be held to, taking direction from Obama.

re: #64 Honorary Yooper

No, right after the President Pro-Tempore of the Senate, which right now is none other than Robert "Sheets" Byrd. Before him is Nancy "Blinky" Pelosi, and Joe Biden (does he really need a nic?).

Joey Plugs

re: #58 CIA Reject

Yes, but that just shifts him from one house of Congress to another- we need to get fresh blood in down in DC.

What's David Dinkins doing these days?

Tennis anyone?

re: #71 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Joey Plugs

What's Biden been up to anyway?

re: #68 realwest

Yeah, I agree with you. I just don't see WHY she would accept this position. She will be obliged to carry out Obama's foreign policy (to the extent he ever gets one other than stab Israel in the back) and - just as did Condi Rice, SHE'LL get all the blame for OBAMA's failures in the foreign policy field.

And should there be any real success beyond what the MSM concocts Our Holy Messiah-King will get all the credit. Hillary may very well have written her political obituary with her accepting this.

Hillary will be high-profile. She will steal the spotlight whenever she can. However, I think she can be trusted to do the right thing, as long as we pay attention to her.

re: #33 redc1c4
Waaay too far down the line I'm pretty sure. First it's Biden (ugh) then Pelosi (double ugh) then, I think, Senate Majority leader (Harry Reid, triple ugh) before you ever get to cabinet posts.

re: #53 bill-tb

I am surprised she took the job, since it's un-Constitutional for her to do so ...

huh...
please elaborate

re: #68 realwest

Why take the job?

1. Ego
2. Power

re: #39 father_of_10

We need to stay aBreast of the changes.

BOOB THREAD!

Birmingham Mayor Larry Langford arrested on federal charges

[Link: blog.al.com...]

Gee I wonder what party he belongs to?

Hillary at the State Department

I get it! The secret lizard theme of the day is chicks in cages.

re: #53 bill-tb

I am surprised she took the job, since it's un-Constitutional for her to do so ...

What do you mean? There is nothing in the constitution that forbids Hillary Clinton from being secretary of state. She is an American citizen, without a felony conviction and all she will have to do is resign her Senate seat.

Could she have given up her future hopes to be president? Maybe the campaign was too hard and she figures the Sec of State job will give her the power she craves. Look at how Kissinger turned it into bigger job than it had been before. She has the capacity to steal a lot of Barry's thunder.

re: #79 Kenneth

Why take the job?

The power is all in the WH. I am absolutely astounded she took this job.

re: #84 father_of_10

Could she have given up her future hopes to be president? Maybe the campaign was too hard and she figures the Sec of State job will give her the power she craves. Look at how Kissinger turned it into bigger job than it had been before. She has the capacity to steal a lot of Barry's thunder.

Kissinger had Nixon's ear, and then there was that little thing called Watergate?

re: #76 Golem Akbar

Hillary will be high-profile. She will steal the spotlight whenever she can. However, I think she can be trusted to do the right thing, as long as we pay attention to her.

If I was Obama Biden Pelosi Byrd I would hire someone to taste my food.

re: #78 shanec99

re: #83 Big Steve

Congress just voted for a pay increase for cabinet members recently, and long ago they made it unconstitutional for senate or congress members to pursue or accept jobs that recently had a pay increase voted upon - something to that effect. I heard Hewitt talking about it the other night.

re: #36 JohnnyReb

That would be my bet. He'll over-reach quickly. Hopefully, the damage can be contained until the mid-term elections in 2010. But I don't expect our enemies will back off and let Obama have a smooth first term before they jump nasty.

And Obama won't have a clue about what to do.

re: #85 Nevergiveup

The power is all in the WH. I am absolutely astounded she took this job.

Not surprised, at all. She'll be high profile, and will be making an impressive resume for herself, when the opportunity to run for president presents itself.

re: #80 saberry0530

BOOB THREAD!

I've never started a boob thread in my life! I couldn't SUPPORT one here and I think we should NIP them in the BUD if they seem to be starting.

She already knows how to dodge bullets while crossing a tarmac. That should help in DC.

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

re: #83 Big Steve

Congress just voted for a pay increase for cabinet members recently, and long ago they made it unconstitutional for senate or congress members to pursue or accept jobs that recently had a pay increase voted upon - something to that effect. I heard Hewitt talking about it the other night.

Those rules don't apply to Democrats.

re: #87 Racer X

If I was Obama Biden Pelosi Byrd I would hire someone to taste my food.

hahaha

re: #43 Racer X
Never gonna happen - unless the Dem's decide that Obama is unelectable, and even then - nah, I don't see her running until 2016 at the earliest and she's gonna have the baggage of enunciating and trying to carry out whatever the hell Obama's foreign policy turns out to be. And, iirc, in 2016 she's gonna be 72 years old, too.
No, I think Hillary gave up on a political career when she accepted that spot.

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

addendum: Same thing happened in the Nixon administration, too. It's a law no one enforces.

re: #84 father_of_10

Could she have given up her future hopes to be president? Maybe the campaign was too hard and she figures the Sec of State job will give her the power she craves. Look at how Kissinger turned it into bigger job than it had been before. She has the capacity to steal a lot of Barry's thunder.

I fully expect Our Holy Messiah-King to use her as a sacrificial goat if things go to shit and a boon of His Magnificence if they don't. No matter what the outcome the MSM and the Left will not let Him be overshadowed.

I will guarantee you that before accepting this job Hillary and Bill have figured out every conceivable political angle.

re: #34 Racer X

In 1993 Bill Clinton appointed Hillary to head up the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. She had 7 years to make improvements. How did that work out?

Reminds me of Obama's appointment of Jennifer Granholm (Gov. MI) to his economic transition team. Jennifer's famous line before re-election, "Wait until you see the next 5 years!" So far so bad. The only thing we lead the country in is unemployment.

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A smile that will light up the night sky

THE world may be facing its worst economic turmoil in decades, but the heavens are about to smile on Australia.

A rare cosmic alignment tonight will produce a smiling face - or an emoticon, depending on your generation - high over the country.

"I created Media Matters"

SoS, SoS, SoS

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

She already knows how to dodge bullets while crossing a tarmac. That should help in DC.

Only is she going out clubbing with Plexico?

re: #87 Racer X

If I was Obama Biden Pelosi Byrd I would hire someone to taste my food.

My thoughts exactly. Hillary is VERY capable.

re: #91 father_of_10

I've never started a boob thread in my life! I couldn't SUPPORT one here and I think we should NIP them in the BUD if they seem to be starting.

Wink wink, nod nod!

re: #85 Nevergiveup

If you have enough ego, you can convince yourself you have the power. In fact, cabinet positions do have some independent power. Yes, the President appointed you. Yes the President tells you what to do, but not everything everyday. And while the President can fire you, it happens very rarely. You have a big staff, lots of prestige and plenty of contacts with VIP's.

Ego & power.

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Only is she going out clubbing with Plexico?

What is a Plexico?

re: #68 realwest

Yeah, I agree with you. I just don't see WHY she would accept this position. She will be obliged to carry out Obama's foreign policy (to the extent he ever gets one other than stab Israel in the back) and - just as did Condi Rice, SHE'LL get all the blame for OBAMA's failures in the foreign policy field.

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Only is she going out clubbing with Plexico?

She's smarter than Bill. We'll never catch her doing anything that will be embarrassing. (no cigars for Hillary)

re: #79 Kenneth
Yeah but you know she'd have more power as the senior senator from NY and would not have to subsume her ego to Obama's wishes as Secty of State.

re: #77 realwest

Waaay too far down the line I'm pretty sure. First it's Biden (ugh) then Pelosi (double ugh) then, I think, Senate Majority leader (Harry Reid, triple ugh) before you ever get to cabinet posts.

Nope, it's the president pro-tem of the Senate, and that's Robert "Sheets" Byrd (triple ugh).

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

What is a Plexico?

Slang for once in a lifetime contract lost due to stupidity.

re: #105 saberry0530

Wink wink, nod nod!

I think the message needs some tweaking...

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

re: #83 Big Steve

Congress just voted for a pay increase for cabinet members recently, and long ago they made it unconstitutional for senate or congress members to pursue or accept jobs that recently had a pay increase voted upon - something to that effect. I heard Hewitt talking about it the other night.

Not wanting to sound wonkish here but Congress cannot just "vote" to make something unconstitutional.....they actually have to amend the constitution which is a long drawn out process that involves ratification by the states. What you might be referring to is federal statutes. However they never trump the constitution.

re: #53 bill-tb

I am surprised she took the job, since it's un-Constitutional for her to do so ...

According to whose Constitution?

re: #112 experiencedtraveller

Slang for once in a lifetime contract lost due to stupidity.

Yea, that helped a lot. NOT!

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

What is a Plexico?

The NY Giant football player who shot HIMSELF in a nightclub the other night. Real Ivy League material?

re: #104 buzzsawmonkey

For paranoia's sake, one could suggest that nibbling the Constitution to death with minor initial infractions could pave the way for some really big changes.

Absolutely.

... for paranoia's sake, of course.

re: #60 FrogMarch

I think it's because she did such a bang-up job on health care when that was her baby back in the early '90's. There's nothing quite like a Genuine Socialist for the Democrat party. It's like catnip or cocaine or something. It drives them wild.

re: #112 experiencedtraveller

Slang for once in a lifetime contract lost due to stupidity.

Your answer is better than mine.

re: #91 father_of_10

I've never started a boob thread in my life! I couldn't SUPPORT one here and I think we should NIP them in the BUD if they seem to be starting.

My lips are sealed -- no puns for me. YOu could almost say I have an areola halo I'm going to be so good in ignoring these puns.

re: #113 Golem Akbar

I think the message needs some tweaking...

May they ERECT statues to you sir!

re: #110 realwest

Yeah but you know she'd have more power as the senior senator from NY and would not have to subsume her ego to Obama's wishes as Secty of State.

She'd only become senior senator if and when Chuckie Schumer decides to step down.

re: #108 opnion
Damn thing posted without my click, weird!
My gut feeling is that Hillary is taking Sec of State, so that she can resign on "principal" over some issue & challenge BHO in 2012.

re: #117 Nevergiveup

The NY Giant football player who shot HIMSELF in a nightclub the other night. Real Ivy League material?

Thanks. I don't keep up with sports, or the recent dances in nightclubs. That sounds a little dangerous.

re: #112 experiencedtraveller

Slang for once in a lifetime contract lost due to stupidity.

Also known as a "Vick".

re: #120 Nevergiveup

Your answer is better than mine.

I've pulled a few (minor) plexicos in my life...

re: #88 Noam Sayin'

re: #93 Nevergiveup

re: #104 buzzsawmonkey

AMENDMENT XXVII

Originally proposed Sept. 25, 1789. Ratified May 7, 1992.

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened.

Even for the Dems any pay increase won't take effect until 2010.

re: #114 Big Steve

Yeah, I don't know the details. Constitution, federal statute, dibbs... I just heard Hewitt talking about it the other night. He said it was a stupid law that no one enforces.

re: #104 buzzsawmonkey

Problem is, it's not a consitutional issue, just a legal issue, apparently. The 27th Amendment (aka Article the Second) does not address cabinet pay, just Congressional pay.

re: #72 taxfreekiller

Or raisens. Yummy, Texas raisens.

re: #130 Honorary Yooper

Problem is, it's not a consitutional issue, just a legal issue, apparently. The 27th Amendment (aka Article the Second) does not address cabinet pay, just Congressional pay.

BINGO! You won that kewpie doll. ;)

re: #3 CIA Reject

OK so who will NY Gov Paterson appoint to fill Hillary's Senate seat?

Bill Clinton or Eliot Spitzer?

Both. They'll be co-Senators. While one's on the Senate floor, the other can be occupied in the Senate cloakroom.

/know what i mean?

/say no more

BBIAW!

We tend to all picture Hillary as Secretary of State, spending her day sitting in the Oval office getting direction from Obama on world events. This is actually a very small part of that job. The SoS has an enormous department to run that welds incredible power and authority around the world. Any world leader will pick up the phone if the US SoS calls. Hillary is at heart a polical wonk and this is good as it gets.

re: #100 Killgore Trout

It's God's way of telling us it's all a joke...

re: #133 Ward Cleaver

Both. They'll be co-Senators. While one's on the Senate floor, the other can be occupied in the Senate cloakroom.

/know what i mean?

/say no more

/wink wink, nudge nudge...

Mostly OT:

The Somali pirates are getting brazen. Going after a cruise ship.

re: #102 Nevergiveup

Only is she going out clubbing with Plexico?

You mean Plaxico?

Dennis Prager is noting that the Mumbai terrorists singled out the Chabad House as a terror target, that anti-semitism/anti-Judaism is synonymous with anti-westernism.

re: #15 Racer X

What has Hillary actually accomplished?

About the same amount of stuff as Obama...

re: #137 CIA Reject

/wink wink, nudge nudge...

You got a third bum cheek? ;)

re: #113 Golem Akbar

I think the message needs some tweaking...

Maybe tweak it to be a bit more uplifting?

re: #140 Ward Cleaver

You mean Plaxico?

Yeah, but pretty soon it's gonna be prisoner # 5567894

re: #143 buzzsawmonkey

The quote you provide does not say anything whatever about Cabinet posts.

Cabinet pay increases have no restriction per the Constitution, hence my posting of the 27th amendment.

re: #144 FurryOldGuyJeans

You got a third bum cheek? ;)

Or two sheds?

re: #33 redc1c4

This is a list of the current presidential line of succession, as specified by
the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. § 19

Note that the present secretaries of Commerce and Labor are not born in the US, so are not eligible to be President of the US.

1 Vice President and President of the Senate
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives (Hashem forbid)
3 President pro tempore of the Senate (ditto)
4 Secretary of State
5 Secretary of the Treasury
6 Secretary of Defense
7 Attorney General
8 Secretary of the Interior
9 Secretary of Agriculture
10 Secretary of Commerce
11 Secretary of Labor
12 Secretary of Health and Human Services
13 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
14 Secretary of Transportation
15 Secretary of Energy
16 Secretary of Education
17 Secretary of Veterans Affairs
18 Secretary of Homeland Security

re: #146 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but pretty soon it's gonna be prisoner # 5567894

He can catch passes from Michael Vick.

re: #145 father_of_10

Maybe tweak it to be a bit more uplifting?

That is a bit BRAzen.

re: #146 Nevergiveup

Yeah, but pretty soon it's gonna be prisoner # 5567894

As long as it ain't Number 6.

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Mostly OT:

The Somali pirates are getting brazen. Going after a cruise ship.

"Nautica was immediately brought to flank speed and was able to outrun the two skiffs," An Oceania spokesman said.

I'm impressed. Sounds like the skinnies need to put a third oar if they hope to catch one of these whales.

re: #145 father_of_10

Maybe tweak it to be a bit more uplifting?

Sounds like a Playtex ad.

re: #151 TaeJohnDo

That is a bit BRAzen.

Shhhh, it's a (Victoria's) secret...

re: #72 taxfreekiller

Here in Texas we are going to go from concealed carry to open carry.

like that ones of terror,
just a quick draw away
from your virgins down here in Texas

Any idea when that is effective? My son carries in Houston using an Indiana permit.....

re: #83 Big Steve

What do you mean? There is nothing in the constitution that forbids Hillary Clinton from being secretary of state. She is an American citizen, without a felony conviction and all she will have to do is resign her Senate seat.

not true: the salary of the position was raised while she was a Senator.
the Constitution specifically forbids her to take the position.

re: #155 Golem Akbar

Shhhh, it's a (Victoria's) secret...

Shhhh, it might be wired.

re: #154 Ward Cleaver

Sounds like a Playtex ad.

Cross my heart, it's not.

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Mostly OT:

The Somali pirates are getting brazen. Going after a cruise ship.

I heard some idiot on the local moonbat radio station giving "big props" to the pirates last week.

re: #15 Racer X

What has Hillary actually accomplished?

Hmmm, you say that as if it were still applicable in a post-11/4/2008 world...

re: #153 CommonCents

I'm impressed. Sounds like the skinnies need to put a third oar if they hope to catch one of these whales.

This time they made their try with fishing boats, not speedboats. Fishing boats are a good bit slower than an ocean going liner. Next time we might not be so lucky. 3800 Westerners in Islamist hands is enough to give me nightmares.

Let's see if the Tale of the Scorpion and the Wolf will apply to Obama Clinton. Betting money says it does

re: #160 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I heard some idiot on the local moonbat radio station giving "big props" to the pirates last week.

Fool. I'd like to make him their "guest" for a season. Give him his own "Holiday in Cambodia" and then see what he thinks of them.

re: #159 father_of_10

Cross my heart, it's not.

See what happens when you try to lift and seperate a problem?

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Mostly OT:

The Somali pirates are getting brazen. Going after a cruise ship.

Of course they're getting brazen. There are no ramifications for their shenanigans, so far, only profit.

re: #157 redc1c4

not true: the salary of the position was raised while she was a Senator.
the Constitution specifically forbids her to take the position.

Cite the reference, please, because all I read says there is no restriction.

re: #155 Golem Akbar

Shhhh, it's a (Victoria's) secret...

We are STUFFING this thread with puns. It is hard to JUGgle the real thread with the boob thread.

re: #165 saberry0530

See what happens when you try to lift and seperate a problem?

Just make sure you put your best points forward.

re: #149 XMarine

And there's not one swingin' dick among all of them that is really qualified to be President. Hell, Biden is so fucking bad that we all need to pray for Obama's safety and wellbeing, and it goes downhill from there.

re: #166 Russkilitlover

Of course they're getting brazen. There are no ramifications for their shenanigans, so far, only profit.

Yep watch and learn India. . .

re: #163 Jewels (AKA Julian)

Let's see if the Tale of the Scorpion and the Wolf will apply to Obama Clinton. Betting money says it does

There will be some serious palace intrigue. I think that Obama has made a significant mistake.
Every time there is an unflattering comment about him by an "Anonymous" whit House source, he will have to figure that it"s Hillary.

re: #157 redc1c4

not true: the salary of the position was raised while she was a Senator.
the Constitution specifically forbids her to take the position.

Where in the Constitution does it say this? Please refer to the Article and Section, or the Amendment. It sounds like people are mixing up a law with Amendement 27.

re: #171 Iron Fist

And there's not one swingin' dick among all of them that is really qualified to be President. Hell, Biden is so fucking bad that we all need to pray for Obama's safety and wellbeing, and it goes downhill from there.

I cannot even type what I am thinking. . .

re: #161 Crusty

Hmmm, you say that as if it were still applicable in a post-11/4/2008 world...

Hillary's accomplishments, hmmmmm:

Married to an impeached former President.

Trounced for Dem Presidential candidate by an even more unqualified person.

re: #157 redc1c4

not true: the salary of the position was raised while she was a Senator.
the Constitution specifically forbids her to take the position.

May I please have the Article and Section numbers?

re: #38 ArmyWife

In summary: I want eveyone to have and voice their own opinions loudly so long as those voiced opinions are in lock step with mine.

"I am ahh... the uhhh... deciderer"

re: #174 Honorary Yooper

Where in the Constitution does it say this? Please refer to the Article and Section, or the Amendment. It sounds like people are mixing up a law with Amendement 27.

Another reason I quoted in full the 27th earlier.

re: #123 Athos
Ah, I think she won election to the Senate before Chuckles did, no?

re: #173 opnion

There will be some serious palace intrigue. I think that Obama has made a significant mistake.
Every time there is an unflattering comment about him by an "Anonymous" whit House source, he will have to figure that it"s Hillary.

As he should, I for one hope her political aspirations are still strong. . .will be a pleasure to watch her take him down from the inside. . .

re: #170 father_of_10

Just make sure you put your best points forward.

Well, off to work for a bit, but thanks for the mammaries. I give you all a tit of my hat.

re: #167 buzzsawmonkey

The cruise ship could repel boarders with Molotov cocktails made from the bottles of perfume from the shipboard gift shop.

Or mount guns fore, aft, and amidships.

They would be very reluctant to employ the latter. Too many people would attack them for "feeding into a cycle of violence".

/spits

re: #169 TaeJohnDo

We are STUFFING this thread with puns. It is hard to JUGgle the real thread with the boob thread.

Now I have to do push ups...or take a cold shower.

I agree with others on this site who think she has more face time as Sec. of State than as senator. This position keeps her in the news, and she can probably parlay this into another run for the presidency. She would have taken ANY position in Obama's cabinet, she is power hungry.

re: #180 realwest

Ah, I think she won election to the Senate before Chuckles did, no?

No, he was already a Senator. I believe that Hillary replaced Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

re: #176 FurryOldGuyJeans

Hillary's accomplishments, hmmmmm:

Married to an impeached former President.

Trounced for Dem Presidential candidate by an even more unqualified person.

CHANGE. . .

re: #181 DisturbedEma

As he should, I for one hope her political aspirations are still strong. . .will be a pleasure to watch her take him down from the inside. . .

Our Messiah-King really needs no help to destroy Himself. Cater to the demands of the Far Leftoid Base and most of America will make His electoral defeat in 2012 a landslide. Cater to the American public and the MSM and Far Leftoid Base will crucify their "Saviour".

re: #181 DisturbedEma

As he should, I for one hope her political aspirations are still strong. . .will be a pleasure to watch her take him down from the inside. . .

I second that.

re: #174 Honorary Yooper

Where in the Constitution does it say this? Please refer to the Article and Section, or the Amendment. It sounds like people are mixing up a law with Amendement 27.

I think this is a reference to Article 1, Section 6, second paragraph.

"No senator or representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; ..........."

Her senatorial salary was increased during her senate term.

re: #182 TaeJohnDo

Well, off to work for a bit, but thanks for the mammaries. I give you all a tit of my hat.

Got your knockers in a bundle do you?

re: #147 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cabinet pay increases have no restriction per the Constitution, hence my posting of the 27th amendment.

Senators & Cabinet Appointments

RE: Hillary's Constitutional eligibility to be Sec. of State, here is the article in question. I'm not taking a side, just presenting this for everyone's reference.

The second clause of Article 1, Section 6, of the Constitution reads, "No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office."

re: #183 buzzsawmonkey

She may actually be good in the position, and not, like Obama, have reached her level of incompetence. I would rather have her as Secretary of State than Samantha Power, or John Kerry, or Zbigniew Brzenznski, or any number of potential horrific appointments.

She isn't as rabid an America-hater as Our Messiah-King is, so yeah she might actually do some good in the position other than providing cover for mistakes.

re: #168 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cite the reference, please, because all I read says there is no restriction.

as posted in #194

re: #4 noshariaincanada

I'm actually quite surprised she took the job.

Nah, no surprise here if you step back a little, see the larger picture.
She's a bluestocking social climber. Follow the prestige.
Not as much glory in staying a Senator, one of among man.
Plus, you have to be accountable, actually pretend you care about stuff. You know, shed a tear to humanize your close-up shots, that kinda thing. Oh, don't get me wrong, it is all worth it if it ends at the Oval Office. But, since it didn't, why not move onto the global stage, be a solitaire, look good and shine bright. Plus, no ultimate responsibility but a lot of glory, more glory than a career in the Senate. Plus, an Obama Secretary of State is a dunsel with all the cachet of a queen.

In my foolish youth I had a super-activist lefty mentor, big news in our small pond of feminism. She came into the lounge twirling in excitement over a nonprofit directorship in one of the "correct" NGOs. "I'm going to make money and never have to f*ck around with the peons."
Ah. Yes. A community orgnizer grows up....

re: #180 realwest

Chuckles won the year before Hillary - in 1999

Has anyone yet raised the question of why Obama would want to keep Gates as Sec Def and why Gates would want the postion in an Obama administration?

re: #190 FurryOldGuyJeans

Our Messiah-King really needs no help to destroy Himself. Cater to the demands of the Far Leftoid Base and most of America will make His electoral defeat in 2012 a landslide. Cater to the American public and the MSM and Far Leftoid Base will crucify their "Saviour".

America loves a backlash. . .at least this American does. . .

re: #175 DisturbedEma

I know how you feel. I am really worried about what is going to happen in the next 2-4 years..

re: #193 DisturbedEma

Got your knockers in a bundle do you?

Reminds me of the one of the funniest records ever. More double entendres in that album than...well, more than I can think of...

re: #194 redc1c4

Senators & Cabinet Appointments

How about the actual Constitutional reference instead of some blog, ok?

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

FYI - I commented on that bad FM 3-11 link on the prior thread. You have to get in there via google rather than LGF (not sure why) and I posted a working google link.

The first presidents of this great country actually served as Secretaries of State. From Thomas Jefferson to John Quincy Adams there was a run of four former Secretaries of State.

re: #197 redc1c4

as posted in #194

CITE THE CONSTITUTIONAL REFERENCE!

re: #177 rawmuse

May I please have the Article and Section numbers?

full discussion here

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I'm rather glad Hillary will be the SoS. With her, I have no doubts about her love of country. It's more than I can say about Obama. He will soon be my President and I shall respect that, but I don't like or trust him.

re: #200 realwest

Has anyone yet raised the question of why Obama would want to keep Gates as Sec Def and why Gates would want the postion in an Obama administration?

I'm going to hazard a guess: Gates is a patriot, and Obama is a realist. Let's give him a chance to do the right thing.

re: #208 redc1c4

full discussion here

CITE THE CONSTITUTION, NOT SOME FUCKING BLOG!

Here it is. Interesting.
Article 1, section 6

re: #207 FurryOldGuyJeans

CITE THE CONSTITUTIONAL REFERENCE!

Check out #192 above.....

re: #160 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I heard some idiot on the local moonbat radio station giving "big props" to the pirates last week.

Circumstantial evidence that the Somali pirates are somehow aligned with the jihadists. Well, at least the moonbats must think so, since they always root for the enemy.

Maybe the reason for making the UN post a cabinet spot is to set her against Hillary.

Clever, in a Chicago politician sort of way.

re: #212 rawmuse

Here it is. Interesting.
Article 1, section 6

Thank you. :)

re: #192 eschew_obfuscation

I think this is a reference to Article 1, Section 6, second paragraph.

"No senator or representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; ..........."

Her senatorial salary was increased during her senate term.

Fair enough, then it's Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2.

re: #204 FurryOldGuyJeans

How about the actual Constitutional reference instead of some blog, ok?

how about reading the blog article, since it references the Constitutional section in question, and the gentleman posting it is a Constitutional scholar who discusses the issue in detail?

re: #193 DisturbedEma

Got your knockers in a bundle do you?

Cupcakes for lunch?

re: #205 karmic_inquisitor

FYI - I commented on that bad FM 3-11 link on the prior thread. You have to get in there via google rather than LGF (not sure why) and I posted a working google link.

Thank you.

re: #196 FurryOldGuyJeans

She isn't as rabid an America-hater as Our Messiah-King is, so yeah she might actually do some good in the position other than providing cover for mistakes.

As much as I was pulling for her- I believe she is rather Hobbesian. . .well, in my own view of Hobbes in the political realm-

The only thing that keeps politicians from acting on their personal feelings is the inplied check of the American system of fair game, rules and understandings about proper behavior

dear leader seems to have, by proxy with his rabid unhinged no holds barred deluded obamabots, removed that barrier. . .

Will we now see political all against all?

CHANGE!
//

re: #198 Joan
Well I'm still astounded she took the postion

why not move onto the global stage, be a solitaire, look good and shine bright. Plus, no ultimate responsibility but a lot of glory, more glory than a career in the Senate.

Didn't work out too well for Condi Rice, now did it? (admittedly she wasn't a Senator, but she took plenty of shots from world leaders and Democrats for simply implementing and enunciating Bush's foreign policy). If Hillary is PART of Obama's Administration and it goes down, she'll have a helluva time seperating herself from it.
Look at all the problems John McCain had seperating himself from Bush and McCain wasn't even IN the Bush administration.

re: #200 realwest

I see that as meaning that there is going to be continuity in our foreign policy and in the War. Obama worshipers are going to be so disappointed.

re: #217 Honorary Yooper

Fair enough, then it's Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2.

PIMF, Section 6, not Section 2.

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

Too bad. Nothing would discourage Somali piracy like a few apparently-sitting-duck ships that blew some pirate craft out of the water.

I agree. I'd like to introduce a few Q-ships into the mix. Complete with miniguns, M2HBs, and custom-built waterboarding tables for interrogations.

re: #219 father_of_10

Cupcakes for lunch?

Ahhhh, I get it now! A NOONER!

re: #202 Iron Fist

I know how you feel. I am really worried about what is going to happen in the next 2-4 years..

The MSM falling all over Bieden because he went home to his kids every night. . .when single parents all over the world are doing that. . .with much less pay, and on subways and buses, or on foot. . .

Fucking A these people are so out of touch

re: #218 redc1c4

how about reading the blog article, since it references the Constitutional section in question, and the gentleman posting it is a Constitutional scholar who discusses the issue in detail?

Why winnow through a discussion somewhere else when the actual constitutional restriction is being discussed here?

ABC Roasts Bush for "Hypocritcal Charade" of Pardoning a Turkey, Then Eating a Turkey
—Ace

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

The press better get in their shots while they can I guess? What a bunch of assholes!

re: #222 realwest

Well I'm still astounded she took the postion

Didn't work out too well for Condi Rice, now did it? (admittedly she wasn't a Senator, but she took plenty of shots from world leaders and Democrats for simply implementing and enunciating Bush's foreign policy). If Hillary is PART of Obama's Administration and it goes down, she'll have a helluva time seperating herself from it.
Look at all the problems John McCain had seperating himself from Bush and McCain wasn't even IN the Bush administration.

I sincerely doubt that Bush told her to say that palestinians were under Jim Crowe rules. . .if is a myth, and a dangerous one at that, to assume that the person has no real input. . .he will use Clinton to be his Moderate voice. . .to run cover for his real moonbats. . .

scary

re: #226 saberry0530

Ahhhh, I get it now! A NOONER!

At my age? It might be a bust.

The Telegraph lists Israel along with Sudan, Lebanon, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Iraq as one of the 20 most dangerous places in the world.

re: #200 realwest

Obama needs / wants to avoid the challenges with the Pentagon experienced when Clinton became President in 1993.....and can leverage Gates as both a person to ensure a longer (and Obama hopes smoother) transition and make some hay for the political benefit he will get for being 'bipartisan' having Gates as SecDef. As for Gates, perhaps he likes the job / the job appeals to his ego / he believes that since the President asked, he should accept placing country ahead of politics. I would like to think that the latter is the closest to the truth.

While I have some mixed feelings about the finance team that Obama has assembled - I am very uneasy and uncomfortable with his foreign policy and national security team. This is not the time to revisit 1993-2000 or to try to 'improve' on those policies by being even more naive and foolish.

re: #219 father_of_10

Cupcakes for lunch?

blush. . .:)

Do ya think that the Slick One will be in mourning when Hill takes leave on all those long overseas State journeys? Nah, me neither! I think Willy might have fired up a victory cigar.

re: #232 baier

The Telegraph lists Israel along with Sudan, Lebanon, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Iraq as one of the 20 most dangerous places in the world.

Then there's Juarez. but still, I would feel a whole lot safer in Israel than I would in any part of Pakistan, and I used to live there.

Obama is following the old adage: "Keep your friends close, and you're enemies even closer."

re: #232 baier

The Telegraph lists Israel along with Sudan, Lebanon, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Iraq as one of the 20 most dangerous places in the world.

They really mean the palestinian territories. . .you know, ruled by those peace loving terrorists. . .funny how that is only Israel when it suits them. . .

re: #211 FurryOldGuyJeans

CITE THE CONSTITUTION, NOT SOME FUCKING BLOG!

Dude - Volokh is a VERY credible blog on constitutional matters. They post the references in the constitution, and then go further to post different case law and rulings relevant to the matter.

If it is a matter of constitutional law, consulting the Volokh blog is a wise thing to do. Lots of constitutional lawyers hang out there.

re: #239 buzzsawmonkey

Has Maybelline ever got a deal for you!

I am not looking for a New Deal. . .snort

re: #232 baier

The Telegraph lists Israel along with Sudan, Lebanon, Haiti, Afghanistan, and Iraq as one of the 20 most dangerous places in the world.

Where's Chicago on the list?

re: #215 karmic_inquisitor

Maybe the reason for making the UN post a cabinet spot is to set her against Hillary.

Clever, in a Chicago politician sort of way.

It's also a nice way for the UN to have a voice in the American President's cabinet.

re: #238 TimO

Obama is following the old adage: "Keep your friends close, and you're enemies even closer."

I should be somewhere near then. . .I despise the person with my entire being. . .

re: #206 Raven1
Yeah, but in those days there were no Pres/VP tickets. The winner became President, the loser became Vice-President and Secretary of State was considered THE stepping stone to a nomination for President.

re: #177 rawmuse

Emoluments Clause to the U.S. Constitution (Art. I, § 6, cl. 2)

re: #244 Russkilitlover

It's also a nice way for the UN to have a voice in the American President's cabinet.

They already do - his name is Barack Obama.

re: #177 rawmuse

It's US Constitution Article I, Section 6, as amended by the 27th Amendment

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

Where's Chicago on the list?

Fell off the list after the appointments list came out. . .they are all in DC now. . .wait

re: #244 Russkilitlover

It's also a nice way for the UN to have a voice in the American President's cabinet.

Citizens of the World.

Who here thinks something as inconsequential as a Cost of Living salary adjustment is going to stop Our Messiah-King from anointing Senator Clinton for Apostleship?

re: #212 rawmuse

Here it is. Interesting.
Article 1, section 6

It would seem that if she resigns her Senate seat it's legal.

Here are a few positives...she'll be schmoozing, panhandling and groveling elsewhere(out-of-country) much of the time! Schweeeeet!

re: #244 Russkilitlover

It's also a nice way for the UN to have a voice in the American President's cabinet.

And leaching off the treasury. . .

re: #83 Big Steve

What do you mean? There is nothing in the constitution that forbids Hillary Clinton from being secretary of state. She is an American citizen, without a felony conviction and all she will have to do is resign her Senate seat.

This article explains it beautifully:

December 1, 2008, 10:50 am
Is ‘Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’ Unconstitutional? Some Say Yes

re: #228 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why winnow through a discussion somewhere else when the actual constitutional restriction is being discussed here?

first couple paras of "discussion" there:
It seems to me that there are two questions regarding whether the Emoluments Clause to the U.S. Constitution (Art. I, § 6, cl. 2) renders Senator Hillary Clinton constitutionally ineligible for appointment as Secretary of State: (1) whether Senator Clinton is now ineligible for appointment; and (2) if Senator Clinton is ineligible for appointment, whether that ineligibility may be cured by the so-called “Saxbe Fix,” whereby the Secretary of State’s salary is reduced to the salary in effect before Senator Clinton’s current Senate term began.

I think it is beyond dispute that Senator Clinton is currently ineligible for appointment as secretary of State. I also believe that the better construction of the Emoluments Clause is that the “Saxbe Fix” does not remove this ineligibility.

The Emoluments Clause provides that “[n]o Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time.” As I understand it, 5 U.S.C. § 5303 provides for an automatic annual increase in certain federal salaries, including the salary of the Secretary of State, unless the President certifies that an increase in salaries is inappropriate. The salary of the Secretary of State has increased during Senator Clinton’s current Senate term, which does not end until 2012. Therefore, under a straightforward application of the Emoluments Clause, Senator Clinton is ineligible for appointment as Secretary of State because the emoluments of that office “have been encreased” during Senator Clinton’s current Senate term, and this disability continues until the end of “the time for which [she] was elected, or until January 2013.

I do not believe it affects the analysis that the salary increase occurred as a result of an Executive Order or that the statute creating these quasi-automatic salary increases was enacted prior to Senator Clinton’s current term. By its plain language, the Emoluments Clause applies when the office’s salary “shall have been encreased,” without regard to exactly how it was increased. Indeed, an early proposed draft of the clause included language limiting it to an increase of emoluments “by the legislature of the U[nited] States,” and was later revised to encompass any increase in emoluments. It is worth noting that several Framers thought, without much explication, that the clause was too lax as initially drafted. The clause also does not require that a Senator or Representative have voted for the increase.

The more difficult question is whether Senator Clinton’s ineligibility for appointment may be cured legislatively through the “Saxbe Fix,” where Congress reduces the Secretary of State’s salary to a level at or below where it was when Senator Clinton’s current term began in 2007. The Saxbe Fix got its name because the Nixon administration sought to eliminate Senator William Saxbe’s ineligibility for appointment as Attorney General by reducing the salary of that office to the level that existed before Senator Saxbe’s appointment. Although there was some opposition on constitutional grounds (most interestingly by Senator Robert Byrd and then-Harvard Professor Stephen G. Breyer), the legislation passed and Saxbe was confirmed. Later, Lloyd Bentsen served as Treasury Secretary after “Saxbe Fix” legislation reduced the salary of that office to its level immediately before Senator Bentsen’s Senate term had begun.

Well, if these are the actions of a supposed Constitutional scholar, we are in trouble.
That makes 2 actions I count which are, shall we say, extra-Constitutional, even before BHO is sworn in.
The first being the creation of the Office of the President-Elect.
The second being the appointment of Hil to Sec of State.

And to cap off the boob thread that wasn't, let me pint you all to THIS.

re: #254 Ron Shaw

Here are a few positives...she'll be schmoozing, panhandling and groveling elsewhere(out-of-country) much of the time! Schweeeeet!

2 words- Donor list. . .

For those of you who rememebr the whole Chinese Democracy thing. . .no not the GNR CD. . .the donors to Clinton and the whole shmear. . .

re: #223 Iron Fist
Obama worshippers are gonna be even MORE PISSED with Obama - Hillary AND Gates?! Moonbat heads exploding everywhere!

re: #259 father_of_10

And to cap off the boob thread that wasn't, let me pint you all to THIS.

Don't forget your not safe for work tags, hon.

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

Where's Chicago on the list?

Right after Detroit.