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Video: Footage of Captured Mumbai Terrorist

World | Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:30:30 pm PST

A Sky News report from Mumbai has footage from a cellphone camera showing a furious crowd beating terrorist Azam Amir Kasav (aka Ajmal Qasab) before he was arrested and taken away.

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(Hat tip: Gateway Pundit.)

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:31:48pm
2 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:31:56pm

A mere beating? He got off light in that no one thought to take souvenirs.

3 Jim708  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:33:32pm

awwwwww

4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:33:49pm

Don't they have a way to blow it up. Give us some high def?

5 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:34:02pm

Mixed emotions here.
The perp is vital alive.
On the other hand ....

6 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:34:52pm

re: #2 Perplexed

A mere beating? He got off light in that no one thought to take souvenirs.

Well that goods, so that now the Indians can hook one of those not to yet be souvenirs up to electro's and ....... The Indians probably don't nave those nuisance torture laws that we do.

7 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:35:08pm

re: #5 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Mixed emotions here.
The perp is vital alive.
On the other hand ....

You can always threaten to return him to the crowd that was in the process of beating him to death.

8 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:35:54pm

T"his beating by the victims after the attack were exactly what caused the Terrorist attack in the 1st place."

~you know this type of logic is coming.....

9 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:35:57pm

Do I detect a note of sympathy for the terrorist from the narrator?

10 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:36:42pm

re: #9 The Other Les

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a journalist of wealth and taste....

11 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:36:53pm

You see, this is how India treats Muslims... (Channelling the LA Times.)

/s

12 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:38:01pm

This should happen every single time a terrorist does something like this, every single time.

13 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:38:01pm

re: #7 Perplexed

You can always threaten to return him to the crowd that was in the process of beating him to death.

Yes, especially now that the crowd knows WHAT ALL went on, that would sure as hell get the little *sshole's attention.

/put him in a cage in the Mumbai zoo ... free admission ... no firearms

14 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:38:33pm

I'm glad he got a well deserved beating.

I'm also glad he was not beaten to death, although he certainly deserved to be.

Anyone here know if they have the death penalty in India?

15 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:38:34pm

re: #12 JohnnyReb

This should happen every single time a terrorist does something like this, every single time.

No it shouldn't.

16 LEGION  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:38:35pm

Brightened my day.

17 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:39:05pm

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Bring your own sticks and stones?

18 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:39:14pm

re: #8 WrathofG-d

T"his beating by the victims after the attack were exactly what caused the Terrorist attack in the 1st place."

~you know this type of logic is coming.....

Yeah, the other day I heard one of these Obama foreign policy asses talking about getting to the "root causes" of terrorism and mentioning "poverty" as one of them? Poverty my ass? Most of these terrorist parasites are middle class or better. What was Bin Ladin you ignorant slut?

19 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:39:21pm

re: #10 WrathofG-d

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a journalist of wealth and taste....


Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game ...

20 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:39:59pm

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

I'm glad he got a well deserved beating.

I'm also glad he was not beaten to death, although he certainly deserved to be.

Anyone here know if they have the death penalty in India?

Yes

21 allah this  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:40:03pm

Those barbarians. Somebody should call the UN.

22 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:40:36pm

Pity they didn't just finish him, and save the State the costs of his incarceration and execution.

23 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:40:37pm

Considering what he did, that looked mild.

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:41:11pm

re: #17 Perplexed

Bring your own sticks and stones?

Whatever -- I'm just suggesting that he should live remain alive in that cage for a very long time.

/might be deleted ... okay by me

25 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:41:30pm

re: #22 Iron Fist

Too valuable as an intel asset. He's singing right now.

26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:41:35pm

re: #10 WrathofG-d

Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a journalist of wealth and taste....

On that note, lets make sure we have no Sympathy For The Devil.

27 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:42:01pm

They didn't start the attack at the hotels, no? Is there a map that shows their route through the city? Did they split up?

28 legalpad  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:42:15pm

What's the deal with nobody ever being prepared for an attack? Sheesh! (Rhetorical)

29 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:42:29pm

re: #18 Nevergiveup

It seems that the U.S. has make the same mistakes that Israel has already made in their attempt to "fight" Islamism.

Alleviating Arab poverty was the 1st step the Israelis took. They gave the Arabs full citizenship, money to come into Israel, homes, land, and education. The Arabs used that land to claim Palestinian "Rights", the homes as terrorist bases, the money to buy guns and promote propaganda against the Jews, and the education to lead the Cells and build the bombs.

It is sad that it seems that we are going to copy the manner of "fighting" Islamism that will ensure we are still "fighting" this problem in at least 60+ years.

30 Code Red 21  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:42:39pm

re: #21 allah this

Those barbarians. Somebody should call the UN.

Yeah those bastards should be brought before a U.N. tribunal for beating the little shit.
///

31 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:43:07pm

Couric just reported on this video. She actually said the dreaded word "terrorist". However not a peep about Muslim or Islam. She did go way out on a limb for her and said, hint, hint, they might be terrorists from Pakistan.

32 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:43:22pm

The dead Jews were all horribly tortured before being murdered.

33 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:43:24pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

No it shouldn't.

Okay, Walter I'll bite and ask why not?

34 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:43:42pm
35 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:43:46pm
36 gymnast  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:44:13pm

This video is a pretty damn fine piece of straight forward jornalism.

37 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:44:18pm

re: #35 ploome hineni

why do you say that?

That was reported somewhere. i read that also.

38 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:44:21pm

re: #24 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whatever -- I'm just suggesting that he should live remain alive in that cage for a very long time.

/might be deleted ... okay by me


I suspect a few deleted comments on this thread tonight. Mine possibly included.

39 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:44:22pm

re: #33 GeeWiz

Okay, Walter I'll bite and ask why not?

If you have to have an explanation, then it's not worth it.

40 Maximu§  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:44:26pm

If this happened in America, the bystanders that beat those terrorists would have been arrested for "violating" the rights of those POS's.

41 allah this  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:44:26pm

re: #21 allah this

Those barbarians. Somebody should call the UN.

That was /sarc, btw, for those about to tear me a new one...

42 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:45:09pm

re: #27 Silhouette

They didn't start the attack at the hotels, no? Is there a map that shows their route through the city? Did they split up?

They did split up.

Here's a starting point at BBC. Use the links at the top-right under "Key Stories".

43 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:45:10pm

re: #35 ploome hineni

The medical examiner made an oblique comment about the condition of the Jewish corpses having been subjected to horrible - pre death torture.

44 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:45:23pm

re: #28 legalpad

What's the deal with nobody ever being prepared for an attack? Sheesh! (Rhetorical)

I resent the implications that if every inch of coastline, every major business, every train station, every school, etc. is NOT surrounded by police every 10 feet, then somehow the attack is the fault of poor preparedness rather than the fault of scum-sucking terrorist murderers. We see this after every attack.

We cannot be secure in everyway unless we live in a cell.

45 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:45:36pm
46 tappin52  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:45:47pm

re: #35 ploome hineni

It has been reported that the Jews at Nariman house were bound and tortured before they were killed.

47 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:45:58pm

re: #12 JohnnyReb

This should happen every single time a terrorist does something like this, every single time.

Makes me fantisize about the shape that the terrorists were in right before Flight 93 hit the ground.

48 zimriel  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:46:06pm

I'm glad they didn't kill him.

He needs to be interrogated. Also he has the right to a trial.

(then they can hang him)

49 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:46:16pm

It's cell phone camera footage.

I'd like to hear the translation of what the people him were saying.

50 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:46:17pm

re: #35 ploome hineni

why do you say that?

Because
They
Were!

51 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:46:18pm

re: #7 Perplexed

You can always threaten to return him to the crowd that was in the process of beating him to death.

Forget the threat really do it. Get what you need from him and drop him off.

52 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:47:02pm

re: #48 zimriel

I'm glad they didn't kill him.

He needs to be interrogated. Also he has the right to a trial.

(then they can hang him)

Good. Due process and all that. We must be civilized.

53 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:47:42pm

re: #52 Perplexed

Good. Due process and all that. We must be civilized.

Not according to a lot of Lizards on here this afternoon.

54 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:48:06pm

re: #44 Silhouette

I resent the implications that if every inch of coastline, every major business, every train station, every school, etc. is NOT surrounded by police every 10 feet, then somehow the attack is the fault of poor preparedness rather than the fault of scum-sucking terrorist murderers. We see this after every attack.

We cannot be secure in everyway unless we live in a cell.

Well that's not entirely true, but you have to be willing to give up some personal freedoms for safety. Just like in Israel, you would have to have some soldiers on the street and be willing to put up with searches when entering certain places. It is not really any inconvenience but here the ACLU would up in arms.

55 RirghtSideOfTheFence  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:48:29pm

re: #14 Ringo the Gringo

I'm glad he got a well deserved beating.

I'm also glad he was not beaten to death, although he certainly deserved to be.

Anyone here know if they have the death penalty in India?

After they get all of the information out of him that they can, they should release him...

To the mob.

56 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:48:30pm

re: #40 Maximu§

If this happened in America, the bystanders that beat those terrorists would have been arrested for "violating" the rights of those POS's.


Not where I live. Trust me on that. And I live in a deep Blue state. With the exception of a few large cities, Connecticut is very red. But the New York/Boston commuters outnumber us at the voting booths.

57 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:48:48pm

re: #51 kcladderman

Turn him over to the Mossad.

58 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:49:35pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Not according to a lot of Lizards on here this afternoon.

You do understand their frustration, though, don't you? Still doesn't condone being as barbaric as the terrorists.

59 doppelganglander  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:49:41pm

re: #44 Silhouette

We cannot be secure in every way unless we the terrorists live in a cell.


FTFY.

60 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:49:48pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Not according to a lot of Lizards on here this afternoon.

Actually Walter most didn't say to execute him on the spot but just give him a short pre-incarceration beating.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:50:06pm

re: #48 zimriel

I'm glad they didn't kill him.

He needs to be interrogated. Also he has the right to a trial.

(then they can hang him)

Concur. I know I've said this a lot, but it bears repeating: I want this man judged, not lynched. India should hang him, but only after a fair trial and an appeal. We afforded those to Jodel and Von Ribbentrop, we can give those to him, then hang him.

62 stuiec  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:50:36pm

re: #51 kcladderman

Forget the threat really do it. Get what you need from him and drop him off.

Drop him off with his L-e-T brethren in Kashmir, gift-wrapped with a card that says, "Here are all the names and operational details your brave mujahid gave us. Send us more like him."

Then see what they do to their own.

63 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:50:54pm

re: #38 JohnnyReb

I suspect a few deleted comments on this thread tonight. Mine possibly included.

Let us imply ... rather than ... uh ... well, you know ...

64 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:51:02pm

Monsters in our midst.

65 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:51:19pm

re: #62 stuiec

Drop him off with his L-e-T brethren in Kashmir, gift-wrapped with a card that says, "Here are all the names and operational details your brave mujahid gave us. Send us more like him."

Then see what they do to their own.

MUCH better solution than just out and out lynching the guy. ;)

66 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:51:26pm

re: #60 Nevergiveup

This is true, maybe he was abused as a child.....or maybe he had a territorial grudge, historical grievances, or was humiliated by an Indian in his past.... we need to know these things.

(all joking aside, I agree that he should not be killed by the crowd, but instead stand trial. That being said, I wouldn't have shed a tear had he not made it out of there, nor would i blame the victims.)

67 Racer X  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:51:42pm

Eye for an eye.

68 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:51:46pm

re: #60 Nevergiveup

Actually Walter most didn't say to execute him on the spot but just give him a short pre-incarceration beating.

Oh. I'm glad you clarified that for me, now it's ok.
/

69 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:52:22pm

re: #68 Walter L. Newton

We'll see how you would respond after someone just got done shooting at you.

70 tappin52  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:52:26pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

No it shouldn't.

Sorry, Walter, when someone is spraying a public place with automatic gunfire, he deserves everything he gets.

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:52:35pm

re: #67 Racer X

Eye for an eye.

Good, let's stone homosexuals too!
/

72 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:52:49pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

If you have to have an explanation, then it's not worth it.

I'm sorry if I don't meet your standard to be worthy of a reply. Please don't go down the path of descending to their level horse-sh!t. I see this action as a response similar to the one by the passengers of flight 29.

73 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:04pm

re: #58 FurryOldGuyJeans

You do understand their frustration, though, don't you? Still doesn't condone being as barbaric as the terrorists.

Sorry, but I've had it up to here about civilized conduct toward these shitheads.

74 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:06pm

re: #41 allah this

What do you want me to call the UN? They'd be overpaid oxygen thieves if they were sucking donkey dick for a dime a herd.

75 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:16pm

re: #57 Perplexed

Turn him over to the Mossad.

No, Israel has no death penalty and sometimes does prisoner releases. India can hang him, and they should.

76 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:31pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Not according to a lot of Lizards on here this afternoon.

Walter, this makes me quite angry. A group of males (not men) bring torture, death, and destruction to civilians who in no way were combatants. They went for soft targets under the guise of religion. They are nothing but common thugs who deserve the worst we can deliver. Unfortunately the terrorists can only be killed once.

77 vxbush  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:35pm

re: #22 Iron Fist

Pity they didn't just finish him, and save the State the costs of his incarceration and execution.

Sorry, Iron, but I can't condone that.

78 Bubblehead II  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:47pm

But where are the other 5. I swear I saw a report that they found equipment for 15 individual on that adrift boat. Not the 9 they had killed plus the one they captured alive. Looking for a link.

BTW, Is Mandy around?

Looks over shoulder.

79 Cathypop  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:53:53pm

re: #74 Iron Fist

What do you want me to call the UN? They'd be overpaid oxygen thieves if they were sucking donkey dick for a dime a herd.


Good one!

80 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:54:04pm

re: #52 Perplexed

Civilization is for the weak.

81 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:54:14pm

re: #68 Walter L. Newton

Oh. I'm glad you clarified that for me, now it's ok.
/

I'm not trying to start a fight here. You just jump on people really quickly. All he said was:
"This should happen every single time a terrorist does something like this, every single time."

82 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:54:16pm
83 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:54:18pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Good, let's stone homosexuals too!
/

Everybody Must Get Stoned.

/Dylan.

84 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:54:55pm

re: #72 GeeWiz

I'm sorry if I don't meet your standard to be worthy of a reply. Please don't go down the path of descending to their level horse-sh!t. I see this action as a response similar to the one by the passengers of flight 29.

I understand what they did, why they did it, and I would have done the same thing myself.

But, a lot of the comments here are suggesting he SHOULD have been this or that, or this done to him or that done to him.

That sounds premeditated, beyond the pale of the moment. That's savage.

85 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:54:56pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Good, let's stone homosexuals too!
/

Walter, that was completely, utterly, uncalled for.
It isn't apples and oranges, it's grapes and railroad locomotives.
GET SERIOUS!

86 stulongisland  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:55:03pm

If this were in the US. CARE would have been demanding arrests of the people beating the terrorist and the ACLU would be complaining we violated the terrorist's civil rights and some rightious wanna be would complain that's not the way civilized people act.

87 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:55:05pm

re: #58 FurryOldGuyJeans

You do understand their frustration, though, don't you? Still doesn't condone being as barbaric as the terrorists.

I don't consider beating a man that has just spent the last several minutes trying to kill you barbaric.

88 guitarguy  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:55:48pm

They recently landed on the moon.....
The sank a pirate ship....(..and didn't ask the U.N for permission..)...
They beat the snot out of a scumbag terrorist.....

GO, INDIA!

89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:55:50pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Good, let's stone homosexuals too!
/

Smack! That's what the terrorists do! I agree with you on this issue, but that was needless baiting.

90 Sunlight  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:56:29pm

re: #78 Bubblehead II

But where are the other 5. I swear I saw a report that they found equipment for 15 individual on that adrift boat. Not the 9 they had killed plus the one they captured alive. Looking for a link.

BTW, Is Mandy around?

Looks over shoulder.

I saw a headline somewhere that they're still looking for 5 more terrorists.

91 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:56:30pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Good, let's stone homosexuals too!
/

That was so way over the top I was going to down ding you for that. That would have been my first down ding.

Get a grip. And then go in a crowd and let someone start randomly start shooting into that crowd and see how you feel.

92 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:57:17pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Please remind me to not be in your presence should a terror attack occur. I would prefer an Iron Fist rather than a BHO to be by my side.

93 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:57:29pm

If it is any consolation (not much) the little shit identified himself as a Wahhabist today. May the payback be swift and highly disproportionate. They should pay a heavy price for poisoning the world with their creed.

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:57:56pm

re: #87 kcladderman

I don't consider beating a man that has just spent the last several minutes trying to kill you barbaric.

The willful premeditation of a few people here is what I was calling barbaric, not the heat of the moment reaction of Indian citizens.

95 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:58:04pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Smack! That's what the terrorists do! I agree with you on this issue, but that was needless baiting.

No, Racer X was using a Hebrew scriptural quote to make his point, I was just wondering if another law from the scriptures would be ok too.

96 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:58:08pm
97 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:58:09pm

re: #93 rawmuse

If it is any consolation (not much) the little shit identified himself as a Wahhabist today. May the payback be swift and highly disproportionate. They should pay a heavy price for poisoning the world with their creed.

Careful, you'll upset Walter.

98 Sunlight  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:58:36pm

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

I think it's too bad only one was captured. They'd get more info on the plans and training, etc., names, play one off against another to get more info from each, etc. I'm actually a little wary of the fact that they didn't bring in more of them alive. Tranquilizer darts come to mind.

99 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:58:37pm

re: #93 rawmuse

no, no, no you racist....this had NOTHING to do with Islam.

/

100 a marine mom  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:58:54pm

Thank G-d this terrorist was caught and is singing like a bird. I have no sympathy for anyone who would be this brutal for no reason at all.

Beating the guy won't settle anything. Let the courts determine his fate.

101 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:11pm

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

I figured he was just a Wa Hobbit looking for the shire-ea.

102 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:16pm

re: #98 Sunlight

I think it's too bad only one was captured. They'd get more info on the plans and training, etc., names, play one off against another to get more info from each, etc. I'm actually a little wary of the fact that they didn't bring in more of them alive. Tranquilizer darts come to mind.

What happened to the original reports that more than one was captured?

103 Wishing  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:17pm

It seems that the Indian police etc. shot their (terrorists) faces clear off, left them unidentifiable.

104 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:26pm

re: #92 GeeWiz

re: #91 JohnnyReb

See my re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I would have done the same, but read my 84

105 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:30pm

re: #88 guitarguy

They recently landed on the moon.....
The sank a pirate ship....(..and didn't ask the U.N for permission..)...
They beat the snot out of a scumbag terrorist.....

GO, INDIA!

A new and better twist for Cowboys and Indians.

106 Wookieelips  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:44pm

re: #86 stulongisland

If this were in the US. CARE would have been demanding arrests of the people beating the terrorist and the ACLU would be complaining we violated the terrorist's civil rights and some rightious wanna be would complain that's not the way civilized people act.

Well, it isn't the way civilized people act.

It's the way that angry, grief-sticken people who have been deliberately terrorized act.
I could not even imagine having the strength and discipline to take the high road in their situation. I don't think it's a good thing necessarily, but I feel no pity for the man. At all.

107 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:49pm

re: #100 a marine mom

Thank G-d this terrorist was caught and is singing like a bird. I have no sympathy for anyone who would be this brutal for no reason at all.

Beating the guy won't settle anything. Let the courts determine his fate.

Oh, he had reasons, just that I doubt those reasons would be comprehensible to anyone not of the death cult.

108 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 3:59:57pm

re: #93 rawmuse

If it is any consolation (not much) the little shit identified himself as a Wahhabist today. May the payback be swift and highly disproportionate. They should pay a heavy price for poisoning the world with their creed.

How do we administer said payback, without wrecking the oil flow we need? I've never been able to find a good answer to that question.

109 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:00:11pm

We don't need another incident of this being spread across the news. No Mussolini moments for him.

110 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:00:15pm

CNN header: The U.S. warned India of a potential maritime attack on Mumbai weeks before 179 people were killed, a U.S. official says.

111 Sunlight  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:00:27pm

re: #103 Wishing

It seems that the Indian police etc. shot their (terrorists) faces clear off, left them unidentifiable.

Exactly. Why would they want them unidentifiable?

112 little boomer  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:00:50pm

So long as they read him his rights first....

113 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:01:02pm

If you resist arrest in the States, you're liable to get smacked with a baton as well. This terror suspect was clearly uncooperative.

114 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:01:23pm

re: #103 Wishing

It seems that the Indian police etc. shot their (terrorists) faces clear off, left them unidentifiable.

Good for them!

115 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:01:45pm

re: #107 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, he had reasons, just that I doubt those reasons would be comprehensible to anyone not of the death cult.

well...and this person from the LA TIMES

116 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:01:54pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

CNN header: The U.S. warned India of a potential maritime attack on Mumbai weeks before 179 people were killed, a U.S. official says.

So when will CNN blame Bush for the failure to heed the warning?

117 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:02:03pm

re: #42 pre-Boomer Marine brat

They did split up.

Here's a starting point at BBC. Use the links at the top-right under "Key Stories".

I'm getting that there were five groups (probably two guys each).

One group of two went to the train station first, left, fired at the hospital on the way, and was caught near the shore, where one was killed and the other captured.

So the other 8 went to 1) The Jewish Center, 2) The Oberoi, 3) The Taj, and 4) a cafe

as the other groups of gunmen were attacking a cafe, two luxury hotels and a Jewish cultural centre.

Reports are that two went to the Oberoi, and were killed there, and that two went to the Jewish Center, and were killed there.

Another report says 4 terrorists were at the hospital and 2 killed there. That is eight of the 10.

But other reports say up to 7 gun men were at the Taj.

Still early days yet. The facts should be more clear later.

118 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:02:16pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

re: #91 JohnnyReb

See my re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I would have done the same, but read my 84


OK I see the first few comments. Those were over the top. You were right about that. Sorry and I agree. The beating was justified IMO, but some of the first few comments were out of line.

119 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:02:39pm

re: #100 a marine mom

Thank G-d this terrorist was caught and is singing like a bird. I have no sympathy for anyone who would be this brutal for no reason at all.

Beating the guy won't settle anything. Let the courts determine his fate.

On one of the Military Channels they are doing the "Battle History of the Marine Corp"

120 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:02:58pm

re: #115 WrathofG-d

well...and this person from the LA TIMES

And yet the live terrorist is NOT Indian...he's Pakistani.

121 Sunlight  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:00pm

I do think the Indians love life, while their attackers love death. It makes me think India is such a special country (I've thought it all my life) but it makes them vulnerable (like Israel) and needing well considered tactics, training, and concealed carry permits among the general public.

122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:20pm
123 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:27pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

How do we administer said payback, without wrecking the oil flow we need? I've never been able to find a good answer to that question.

I have an answere.

124 jemima  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:30pm

It seems that our survival instinct is not as strong as it once was.

125 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:36pm

re: #101 WrathofG-d

I figured he was just a Wa Hobbit looking for the shire-ea.

No, he's an Orc of Mordor. He has the cowardice for Morgoth and Sauron to prove it.

126 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:36pm

re: #87 kcladderman

I don't consider beating a man that has just spent the last several minutes trying to kill you barbaric.

I call it justice. To not do anything, that's the......hell, I can't even think of the word to describe that.

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:40pm

re: #117 Silhouette

Yeah, early days.

128 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:03:53pm

re: #27 Silhouette

They didn't start the attack at the hotels, no? Is there a map that shows their route through the city? Did they split up?

There's an interactive map, 3 pages (one for each day) here - click at the 2nd graphic on the left, you will need to scroll to get to it.

129 legalpad  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:04:23pm

re: #34 buzzsawmonkey

I know someone who won't set traps for mice for fear it will attract them. Similar mindset to not preparing for terrorist attacks; if you don't prepare, they won't happen.

That's sounds about right. Ignore history, ignore biology.

130 Brutus  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:05:09pm
This should happen every single time a terrorist does something like this, every single time.

Terrorists should be placed in stockades in the town square (after interrogated), and let the public do to them as they will.

131 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:05:29pm
132 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:05:54pm

re: #120 FurryOldGuyJeans

And yet the live terrorist is NOT Indian...he's Pakistani.

Oh wait, now you want logic? Even if the ISLAMists were indian it wouldn't justify what they did. For me it is at that point that their argument is without logic.

133 3 wood  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:06:19pm

Good evening.
OT: the market to it hard on the chin today , with the DOW dropping 7.7% in one day. Some drop was to be expected just cause of the 5 day straight rise last week, but 679 points in one day shows a lot of fear still out there.

134 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:06:27pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Airlift troops into Saudi Arabia, secure the oilfields (which Americans found, developed, and ran before we acceded to the Saudis nationalizing them), guard the perimeter, and take the necessary.

There is nothing sacred about the Saudi regime. They are merely the most prominent band of brigands of the many that warred in the Arabian peninsula, who were given custody of the peninsula by the now-defunct British Empire after WWI in return for their assistance against the Ottomans. As a regime which owes its entire existence to the backing of a dead colonial power, they have less legitimacy than the State of Israel.

I'm guessing this has been gamed out already in some DIA/War College Sim.

135 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:06:29pm

Flight 93: Let's Roll!

136 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:06:39pm

I don't think we here in the USA are really much more prepared for an attack like this. The reason it happened in India rather than here is that we do not have a border with Pakistan and Kashmir. If these animals could sneak into NYC with the necessary arms, they could kill just as many or more.

137 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:06:55pm

re: #130 Brutus

Terrorists should be placed in stockades in the town square (after interrogated), and let the public do to them as they will.

Well, maybe Obama will use your suggestion and get the terrorist at Gitmo ready for a little move to Times Square.

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:07:36pm

re: #131 buzzsawmonkey

Domestic moonbats keep prating about a "New World Order." There's a new World Mordor a-brewing under their noses, and they don't even see it.

When the LOTR movies were in release or just out on home video I heard so much Leftist rhetoric about Bush being Sauron and having the One Ring, etc. The Left loves calling white black and darkness light.

139 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:07:39pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Well, maybe Obama will use your suggestion and get the terrorist at Gitmo ready for a little move to Times Square.

They would get invited to dinner parties on the Upper West Side.

140 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:08:02pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

Airlift troops into Saudi Arabia, secure the oilfields (which Americans found, developed, and ran before we acceded to the Saudis nationalizing them), guard the perimeter, and take the necessary.

There is nothing sacred about the Saudi regime. They are merely the most prominent band of brigands of the many that warred in the Arabian peninsula, who were given custody of the peninsula by the now-defunct British Empire after WWI in return for their assistance against the Ottomans. As a regime which owes its entire existence to the backing of a dead colonial power, they have less legitimacy than the State of Israel.

That's part of my answere. But as a bit of refute, Israel has as much legitimacy to exist as the United States.

141 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:08:03pm
We cannot be secure in everyway unless we live in a cell.

Quite true. However, the widespread ownership and carry of firearms by the general public sure helps.

Too bad most of the world's population doesn't have that option, without being labeled as criminals by their "betters."

142 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:08:04pm

re: #137 Walter L. Newton

Well, maybe Obama will use your suggestion and get the terrorist at Gitmo ready for a little move to Times Square.

Yeah but Obama will put them up the Marriott on 42nd Street. Probably Concierge level!

143 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:08:11pm

re: #131 buzzsawmonkey

Domestic moonbats keep prating about a "New World Order." There's a new World Mordor a-brewing under their noses, and they don't even see it.

With Obama as The One (Ring).

144 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:09:11pm

re: #142 Nevergiveup

Yeah but Obama will put them up the Marriott on 42nd Street. Probably Concierge level!

Plus they would probably be booked on Letterman

145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:09:26pm

re: #132 WrathofG-d

Oh wait, now you want logic? Even if the ISLAMists were indian it wouldn't justify what they did. For me it is at that point that their argument is without logic.

The logic (lack of actually) of the editorial writer is what I was referring to, his use of a Pakistani terrorist to try justifying some pro-Muslim Indian agenda.

146 Shay4l  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:09:31pm

Expecting people who somehow survive a massacre, and get their hands on the murderer instead of being slaughtered in cold blood, to behave like perfect gentlemen is a little...outlandish.

147 Last Mohican  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:09:57pm

re: #134 brickthruplateglasswindow

According to Robert Baer's first book, the Defense Department created a contingency plan for attacking and securing the Saudi oil fields, and keeps the plan updated. He mentioned how many troops the plan requires, and it was not trivial. Some number of divisions, I can't remember exactly.

148 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:10:02pm

re: #144 kcladderman

Plus they would probably be booked on Letterman

And the women on The View would fawn all over them and tell them how good looking they are.

149 Sunlight  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:10:13pm

re: #130 Brutus

Terrorists should be placed in stockades in the town square (after interrogated), and let the public do to them as they will.

I don't agree with that. It makes us too violent in "the town square". I'm for deputized concealed carry people who take out anybody running around shooting civilians. Instantly. That is one reason this type of attack would be less likely to succeed in a U.S. city (excluding universities, which are living in la la land and have disarmed the good folks while allowing the monsters in with their guns blazing). After 9-11, lots of people will react fast and not put up with this crap.

150 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:10:50pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

I don't think we here in the USA are really much more prepared for an attack like this. The reason it happened in India rather than here is that we do not have a border with Pakistan and Kashmir. If these animals could sneak into NYC with the necessary arms, they could kill just as many or more.

Oh. You mean they could sneak in like they do from Mexico or Canada?

151 Last Mohican  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:10:54pm

re: #139 rawmuse

They would get invited to dinner parties on the Upper West Side.

Well, one of them has been studying at Yale for the past few years. I'm sure he made it into New York for a few dinner parties.

152 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:11:13pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

CNN header: The U.S. warned India of a potential maritime attack on Mumbai weeks before 179 people were killed, a U.S. official says.

BUSH KNEW!

153 Wishing  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:11:30pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

I don't think we here in the USA are really much more prepared for an attack like this. The reason it happened in India rather than here is that we do not have a border with Pakistan and Kashmir. If these animals could sneak into NYC with the necessary arms, they could kill just as many or more.

Many Americans have legal carry permits, and that does make a difference.

154 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:11:47pm

AGAIN!

155 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:11:49pm

He deserved the beating and he deserves to die screaming and shitting himself in terror. In the mean time, coax whatever intel is needed from him in any way deemed fit and then throw his carcass out for the hogs to tear apart.

156 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:11:49pm

re: #146 Shay4l

Expecting people who somehow survive a massacre, and get their hands on the murderer instead of being slaughtered in cold blood, to behave like perfect gentlemen is a little...outlandish.

All too true. You get mob psychology/pack behavior. Hard to do anything rational when that happens. People who would normally be passive, while in a mob, could do incredibly evil acts.

157 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:11:58pm
158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:12:30pm

re: #153 Wishing

Many Americans have legal carry permits, and that does make a difference.

That and the NYPD would react faster and better than the police in Mumbai.

159 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:12:32pm

re: #151 Last Mohican

Well, one of them has been studying at Yale for the past few years. I'm sure he made it into New York for a few dinner parties.

OK, then, book circuit, sure thing.

160 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:12:38pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

There is nothing sacred about the Saudi regime.

And the Hashemite family is the hereditary Guardian of the Two Shrines.

161 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:12:48pm

re: #156 Perplexed

All too true. You get mob psychology/pack behavior. Hard to do anything rational when that happens. People who would normally be passive, while in a mob, could do incredibly evil acts.

Are you saying that beating the terrorist was evil?

162 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:12:53pm

re: #145 FurryOldGuyJeans

I will just repeat my most popular refrain on these issues: If Governmental slight were the cause of mass murder and Terrorism, Jews would be destroying in every city, through every generation.

We just don't do that however....

163 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:03pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

What part of "war" are you unclear about? War is a savage thing. You can't win a war by nicing the enemy to death.

164 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:13pm

This is a horrible sight.

I squirm in revulsion.

This alleged gunman should be tried and, if convicted, fined and given counseling.

His fine should be waived because we can assume that he is poor and oppressed, but in waiving the fine the judge should FIRMLY convey (perhaps even by memorandum) that the fine will be reimposed if the gentleman re-engages in slaughtering random people in public at any point in the next 5 years.

/

165 ornery elephant  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:37pm

I wonder how many American Leftist Democrat lawyers are on a plane this minute flying to India to try and get this puke off with a wrist slap?

166 Last Mohican  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:41pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

I don't think we here in the USA are really much more prepared for an attack like this. The reason it happened in India rather than here is that we do not have a border with Pakistan and Kashmir. If these animals could sneak into NYC with the necessary arms, they could kill just as many or more.

Have you taken a taxi in New York recently? They're already right there.

As for the necessary arms... full-auto AK47's and frag grenades are illegal for civilian possession in the U.S. But both major political parties have concluded that it would be inhumane to have any sort of fences on the Mexican border. And I don't think anyone has even proposed having any security at all on the Canadian border.

Basically, they'll do it whenever they feel like it. And then Obama will blame the victims for a "failure of empathy" again.

167 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:41pm

re: #150 Soona'

Oh. You mean they could sneak in like they do from Mexico or Canada?

As big a sieve as those borders are, they are nothing compared to the multitudes that are able, especially with the help of State sponsors like Pakistan's Intelligence services, to sneak into India. Not to mention India's own and somewhat radicalized Muslim population.

168 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:46pm
169 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:56pm

re: #147 Last Mohican

the Defense Department created a contingency plan for attacking and securing the Saudi oil fields.

But I'm sure the Defense Department keeps a contingency plan updated for attacking and securing lots of places. Russia, Peru, Atlanta, the moon. Okay, not the moon.

170 legalpad  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:13:59pm

re: #44 Silhouette

I resent the implications that if every inch of coastline, every major business, every train station, every school, etc. is NOT surrounded by police every 10 feet, then somehow the attack is the fault of poor preparedness rather than the fault of scum-sucking terrorist murderers. We see this after every attack.

We cannot be secure in everyway unless we live in a cell.

Well, that level of security is not what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking some security as opposed to none. Then there is the optimal concept. The 20% effort/expenditure that gets us 80% of the results. Something. The type of lack of preparedness of the airlines before 9/11 is the perfect example. Then there continued to be people who would undermine effort to secure the airlines; the Sky Marshall program for example. I don't go to a great deal of trouble, but if, for example, someone were to break into my house while I am home, they would probably be dead in a few seconds. If they break in while I am gone, an alarm goes off. None of this preparation is difficult or expensive. I don't even think about it.

171 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:14:08pm

re: #136 Nevergiveup

I don't think we here in the USA are really much more prepared for an attack like this. The reason it happened in India rather than here is that we do not have a border with Pakistan and Kashmir. If these animals could sneak into NYC with the necessary arms, they could kill just as many or more.

I don't agree with that at all. Or at least in NYC.

I'm sure the NYPD rapid response teams and anti-terror units would respond in a much more professional way than the Indian *ahem* Commandos.

172 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:14:16pm

re: #153 Wishing

Many Americans have legal carry permits, and that does make a difference.

Not enough and not in a place like NYC. Maybe more in Texas.

173 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:14:25pm

re: #152 Ben Hur

BUSH KNEW!

I actually already heard that argument/theory this morning on scAir America.

Its either that, or "its just an internal issue" (ie: re: Kashmir)

174 bosforus  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:14:41pm

Having been left to the mob like that he's lucky to be alive. Not that I'm glad he is.

175 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:14:54pm

re: #109 Perplexed

We don't need another incident of this being spread across the news. No Mussolini moments for him.

General Loan did escape from Vietnam with the south fell to the Communists. He tried to run a retail business here in the US but the Marxist trash did everything they could to drive him out of business.

176 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:14:58pm

re: #155 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He deserved the beating and he deserves to die screaming and shitting himself in terror.

They only turned me right side up yesterday.

177 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:15:09pm

re: #155 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

He deserved the beating and he deserves to die screaming and shitting himself in terror. In the mean time, coax whatever intel is needed from him in any way deemed fit and then throw his carcass out for the hogs to tear apart.

Thank you. My feelings exactly.

178 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:15:19pm

re: #148 monkeytime

And the women on The View would fawn all over them and tell them how good looking they are.

Speaking gig at Colombia?

179 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:15:37pm
180 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:15:42pm

re: #161 kcladderman

Are you saying that beating the terrorist was evil?

No, the actions of a mob pretty much are random. The surprising thing is that no mosques were torched.

181 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:15:54pm

re: #176 Ben Hur

They only turned me right side up yesterday.

Are you in the hospital?

182 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:16:00pm

OT: Seriously COOL eclipse in the Southern Sky - Moon/Jupiter/Venus - AWESOME!

183 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:16:14pm

re: #171 Ben Hur

I don't agree with that at all. Or at least in NYC.

I'm sure the NYPD rapid response teams and anti-terror units would respond in a much more professional way than the Indian *ahem* Commandos.

Yes after the fact I am sure they would. But do you see heavily armed guards at the NYC Hotels or for that matter at the Football or baseball games anymore?

184 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:16:55pm

re: #172 Nevergiveup

Not enough and not in a place like NYC. Maybe more in Texas.

I was thinking about that earlier. Let's say that some perps open up on the NYC subway system, and let's say that there is a Bernie Goetz type there that has a piece and shoots back. I am thinking at that point that he is indistinguishable from the perps and risks getting plugged by the cops, when they show up.
Got to know when to drop it, I guess.

185 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:16:56pm

re: #180 Perplexed

No, the actions of a mob pretty much are random. The surprising thing is that no mosques were torched.

Thank goodness for that. If any mosques had been attacked, the MSM would have made that the issue.

186 Wishing  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:17:28pm

re: #178 VegasRick

Speaking gig at Colombia?

Speaking gig for the squeaking pig.

187 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:17:29pm

re: #166 Last Mohican

I hope that you aren't under the impression that fully automatic weapons and explosives are unavailable simply because they are illegal. Their being illegal makes it marginally more difficult to find them but, if they put forth the effort the Jihadis can get pretty near anything that they want.

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:17:30pm
189 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:17:34pm
190 Last Mohican  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:17:50pm

re: #178 VegasRick

Speaking gig at Colombia?

Speaking gig? Hell, he'd be an adjunct professor!

And then there'd be a Steven Spielberg docu-drama, exploring the complexity of the terrorist's mind, and demonstrating how all of us are just as bad as the terrorist.

191 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:18:04pm

Hey - we have a real-time ethics problem. Or at least the Indians do.

They have a guy in custody and it appears (at least according to drudge) that there are 5 terrorists unaccounted for who may be off to cause more mayhem.

Does the terrorist in custody know? What if there is a pending attack? Does it justify torture? Textbook case, but happening in real time in India. I am wondering why I don't hear any leftists screaming about what India may or may not be doing - they screamed forever about "what was going on at Guantanamo" without knowing.

192 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:18:16pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I would have done the same, but read my 84

Walter, I respect you as a valued poster here, ok here comes the but I believe in this case you painted with a broad brush and was too quick with the gun/brush. Look, we agree that a civil society must adhere to standards but when one is put into a situation where survival is key the standards go out the door pretty quick. I cannot agree with any criticism of people responding with survival instincts. I suspect we agree more than we dis-agree on this issue as well as many others.

193 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:18:19pm

re: #183 Nevergiveup

Yes after the fact I am sure they would. But do you see heavily armed guards at the NYC Hotels or for that matter at the Football or baseball games anymore?

No.

Listen, I don't think they could pull off a Mumbai.

Buses, malls, theatres, cafes, trains, subways.....that's a different matter.

It took me a long time to get used to not having to show the contents of a bag or being wanded in every entrance after I "moved back" to NY.

194 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:18:24pm

re: #167 Nevergiveup

As big a sieve as those borders are, they are nothing compared to the multitudes that are able, especially with the help of State sponsors like Pakistan's Intelligence services, to sneak into India. Not to mention India's own and somewhat radicalized Muslim population.

And Mexico doesn't sponsor or encourage illegal border crossing?

195 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:18:44pm

re: #138 FurryOldGuyJeans

When the LOTR movies were in release or just out on home video I heard so much Leftist rhetoric about Bush being Sauron and having the One Ring, etc. The Left loves calling white black and darkness light.

Which tells us a lot about who they really are and what they really stand for.

196 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:19:06pm

re: #175 The Other Les

General Loan did escape from Vietnam with the south fell to the Communists. He tried to run a retail business here in the US but the Marxist trash did everything they could to drive him out of business.

Yep. What the news didn't say is that the VC unit that guy belonged to (executed guy) had murdered family members of Loan and his men. I believe Loan ran a liquor store in the LA area after coming to the states. A good man who did what was necessary at the time.

197 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:19:18pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Are you in the hospital?

No.

(Not so) obscure reference to the Monty Python film, "Life of Brian."

198 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:19:19pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton Walter you are sooo far off here. First, it is not premeditated...it isn't like they choose this random person to kick the shit out of. Hell, he got what he deserved. If one acts like a beast, they deserve to be treated as such. That is the only thing they understand.

And what is the connection between "an eye for and eye" and your remark about stoning homosexuals? That made no sense what so ever.

You need to get off your high horse. These people were PISSED and with damn good reason. Imagine what more trouble this barbarian could have caused had they not stomped his butt.

Go ahead...offer him a fair trial. And when you are done with that...go protest the existence of Gitmo.

199 Last Mohican  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:19:45pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

Yes, an interesting problem. There may or may not be five more terrorists on the loose in India, planning more attacks. Hundreds or thousands more innocent lives may be at risk.

What sorts of interrogation ought to be off-limits in a case like this? I don't know the answer, but it's an interesting question.

200 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:19:46pm

re: #195 The Other Les

Which tells us a lot about who they really are and what they really stand for.

Yep- I could not agree more. . .

201 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:20:14pm

re: #186 Wishing

Speaking gig for the squeaking pig.

Deliverance style.

202 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:20:23pm

re: #196 Perplexed

Yep. What the news didn't say is that the VC unit that guy belonged to (executed guy) had murdered family members of Loan and his men. I believe Loan ran a liquor store in the LA area after coming to the states. A good man who did what was necessary at the time.

Agreed.

203 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:20:25pm

re: #194 Soona'

And Mexico doesn't sponsor or encourage illegal border crossing?


Not quite like Pakistan.

204 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:20:56pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Not quite like Pakistan.

Yet.

205 Bubblehead II  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:21:00pm

Can not find a link to the story that said that 5 addition terrorist may still be in the area. Best I could do was this.

Intelligence officials told CNN-IBN that two men, who are still at large, conducted a surveillance mission in Mumbai months before last week's attacks.

I know I saw a report that they had found equipment for 15, not ten individuals on the abandoned fishing boat.

Any one else see this report?

Still looking over my shoulder for Mandy.................

206 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:21:08pm

re: #198 UberInfidel67

Walter you are sooo far off here. First, it is not premeditated...it isn't like they choose this random person to kick the shit out of. Hell, he got what he deserved. If one acts like a beast, they deserve to be treated as such. That is the only thing they understand.

And what is the connection between "an eye for and eye" and your remark about stoning homosexuals? That made no sense what so ever.

You need to get off your high horse. These people were PISSED and with damn good reason. Imagine what more trouble this barbarian could have caused had they not stomped his butt.

Go ahead...offer him a fair trial. And when you are done with that...go protest the existence of Gitmo.

And who are we to condemn how they deal with criminal activity. . .stoning homosexuals and this are worthy of comparison? I do not think so. . .

207 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:21:16pm

re: #170 legalpad

I wasn't thinking of you. I am annoyed at the news media who can't wait to make all the headlines blame the India security and ignore the main theme here. From this headline, India Security Faulted as Survivors Tell of Terror, it looks like Indian security are the one who attacked.

The clip at the top of this thread ends with the reporter sailing right up to the hotel and making a point of that. The terrorists didn't even land there. But more importantly, the blame is with first and foremost the murdering bastards.

Yes, we should always have "lessons learned" and improve where we can, but let's not lose sight of who's to blame.

208 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:21:17pm

re: #166 Last Mohican

Have you taken a taxi in New York recently? They're already right there.

As for the necessary arms... full-auto AK47's and frag grenades are illegal for civilian possession in the U.S. But both major political parties have concluded that it would be inhumane to have any sort of fences on the Mexican border. And I don't think anyone has even proposed having any security at all on the Canadian border.

Basically, they'll do it whenever they feel like it. And then Obama will blame the victims for a "failure of empathy" again.

A minor point of correction. Fragmentation grenades are verboten. Full auto AK's ARE legal to own with the proper Federal paperwork and tax stamp however they are a bit spendy.

209 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:21:26pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

That and the NYPD would react faster and better than the police in Mumbai.

Pizza Hut delivery would respond faster than the police in Mumbai.

(No. We weren't allowed to carry weapons at Pizza Hut...)

210 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:02pm

re: #193 Ben Hur

No.

Listen, I don't think they could pull off a Mumbai.

Buses, malls, theatres, cafes, trains, subways.....that's a different matter.

It took me a long time to get used to not having to show the contents of a bag or being wanded in every entrance after I "moved back" to NY.

That's all I'm saying. I know you mean From Israel, and I think we should also have more of a VISIBLE presence of security.

211 Cicero05  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:02pm

It was just lucky for the terrorist that the police got to him before one of the crowd put some panties on his head.

212 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:14pm
213 RubyTuesday  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:20pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton
Looks like Chaaaaahles Emerson Winchester is backing down now. Good on, Lizards. I'm rahthah weary of his theatrical pontificating. Too bad reality doesn't affect the stage.

214 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:27pm

re: #198 UberInfidel67

The 100% unmitigated horse shit we've taken for the existance of Gitmo is one of the reasons I think we should stop taking prisoners. Without prisoners, there'd be no need for prisons. And there'd be fewer chances for the Left to take sides against their own country.

They'll probably find another reason to sell us out, but why make it easy for them?

215 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:33pm

re: #163 Iron Fist

What part of "war" are you unclear about? War is a savage thing. You can't win a war by nicing the enemy to death.

How about making them listen to Barbara Streisand and Yoko Ono?

216 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:22:58pm

re: #211 Cicero05

It was just lucky for the terrorist that the police got to him before one of the crowd put some panties on his head.

Panties on the head? That is a war crime.

/need I say it?

217 DisturbedEma  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:07pm

re: #192 GeeWiz

Walter, I respect you as a valued poster here, ok here comes the but I believe in this case you painted with a broad brush and was too quick with the gun/brush. Look, we agree that a civil society must adhere to standards but when one is put into a situation where survival is key the standards go out the door pretty quick. I cannot agree with any criticism of people responding with survival instincts. I suspect we agree more than we dis-agree on this issue as well as many others.

There is also the elephant in the room that no one is mentioning. . .the motives and the perspectives are so vastly different, it is hard to stay alive in a fight to the death if one person has to follow the rules and the other doesn't. . .

218 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:15pm

re: #204 Ben Hur

Yet.

Hey I ain't no whiney McCain type open borderer. Seal that fucker shut tight!

219 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:21pm

re: #210 Nevergiveup

Agreed.

Like Mars in Total Recall.

Or Judge Dredd.

Sorry.

I'm a little off tonight.

220 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:23pm

And these assholes can eat a bag of dicks and fuck right off;

Lawyers call for international court for the environment

Stephen Hockman QC is proposing a body similar to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to be the supreme legal authority on issues regarding the environment.

The first role of the new body would be to enforce international agreements on cutting greenhouse gas emissions set to be agreed next year.

But the court would also fine countries or companies that fail to protect endangered species or degrade the natural environment and enforce the "right to a healthy environment".

The innovative idea is being presented to an audience of politicians, scientists and public figures for the first time at a symposium at the British Library.

I'm sure Barry will sign us right the fuck up.

221 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:25pm
222 Boogberg  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:34pm

re: #182 monkeytime

OT: Seriously COOL eclipse in the Southern Sky - Moon/Jupiter/Venus - AWESOME!

That frickin' rules! Bright as hell from central Florida.

223 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:39pm

re: #164 karmic_inquisitor

This is a horrible sight.

I squirm in revulsion.

This alleged gunman should be tried and, if convicted, fined and given counseling.

His fine should be waived because we can assume that he is poor and oppressed, but in waiving the fine the judge should FIRMLY convey (perhaps even by memorandum) that the fine will be reimposed if the gentleman re-engages in slaughtering random people in public at any point in the next 5 years.

/

And the terrorist also has to take an anger management class.

/

224 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:23:52pm

re: #199 Last Mohican

Yes, an interesting problem. There may or may not be five more terrorists on the loose in India, planning more attacks. Hundreds or thousands more innocent lives may be at risk.

What sorts of interrogation ought to be off-limits in a case like this? I don't know the answer, but it's an interesting question.

Well this is the very scenario that we see argued as a theoretical justification for torture. And both sides argue the scenario with passion.

Now it is here. What do they do?

Waterboarding seems like a more civilized method than having the shit kicked out of the guy, be it by the public or by the cops. Then again, we have guys like Hitchens who had it done to himself and says "it is torture".

Actually, Hitchens loves India - I am going to go look and see what he might be writing on this one.

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:02pm

re: #215 The Other Les

How about making them listen to Barbara Streisand and Yoko Ono?

Even for terrorists, that's inhumane! ;)

226 Wishing  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:03pm

re: #209 The Other Les

Pizza Hut delivery would respond faster than the police in Mumbai.

(No. We weren't allowed to carry weapons at Pizza Hut...)

Very early on, the head of the terrorism taskforce and two high ranking lieutenants were killed in a confrontation with these thugs, so we need to cut some slack for India's slow recovery from that.

227 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:29pm

re: #212 buzzsawmonkey

"If we don't get there in 30 minutes, you funeral is free!"

Well shit don't they just burn them up and dumb them in a river anyway? Not a big cost factor?
/

228 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:34pm

re: #215 The Other Les

How about making them listen to Barbara Streisand and Yoko Ono?

The Pentagon's ethical war robots will not allow that to happen.

229 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:38pm
230 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:49pm

re: #211 Cicero05

It was just lucky for the terrorist that the police got to him before one of the crowd put some panties on his head.

Or ate peanut butter in front of him.

Or wore a sleeveless top and made him look.

231 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:24:59pm

re: #135 MilkOfMalfeasance

Flight 93: Let's Roll!

My bad, in a rush to post got flight number wrong, mea culpa!

232 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:25:09pm

re: #148 monkeytime

And the women on The View would fawn all over them and tell them how good looking they are.

Except for the normal (and smokin' hot) Elizabeth Hasselback. The other three pigs, undoubtedly.

233 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:25:10pm
234 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:25:33pm
235 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:25:40pm

re: #215 The Other Les

How about making them listen to Barbara Streisand and Yoko Ono?

Lock them in a room with Rosie.

236 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:25:42pm

re: #220 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

And these assholes can eat a bag of dicks and fuck right off;

Lawyers call for international court for the environment

I'm sure Barry will sign us right the fuck up.

More European philosophy, (penned after already enjoying the fruits they will ban others from tasting), that will keep the third world undeveloped.

237 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:26:10pm

re: #233 Noam Sayin'

Thanks for posting that.

238 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:26:14pm

re: #224 karmic_inquisitor

Well this is the very scenario that we see argued as a theoretical justification for torture. And both sides argue the scenario with passion.

Now it is here. What do they do?

Waterboarding seems like a more civilized method than having the shit kicked out of the guy, be it by the public or by the cops. Then again, we have guys like Hitchens who had it done to himself and says "it is torture".

Actually, Hitchens loves India - I am going to go look and see what he might be writing on this one.


Iwould favor waterboarding in this case. It is effective in getting information, but leaves no marks.

239 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:26:15pm

re: #215 The Other Les

Well, that'd break me, for sure. I'd have to swallow my tounge or cut my wrists with my teeth or something (anything) to make the horrible noise go away.

240 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:26:31pm

re: #236 Ben Hur

More European philosophy, (penned after already enjoying the fruits they will ban others from tasting), that will keep the third world undeveloped.

We are the age of stupidity.

241 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:26:33pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

Hey - we have a real-time ethics problem. Or at least the Indians do.

They have a guy in custody and it appears (at least according to drudge) that there are 5 terrorists unaccounted for who may be off to cause more mayhem.

Does the terrorist in custody know? What if there is a pending attack? Does it justify torture? Textbook case, but happening in real time in India. I am wondering why I don't hear any leftists screaming about what India may or may not be doing - they screamed forever about "what was going on at Guantanamo" without knowing.

Something tells me that this terrorist has been screaming details about operations since he was rescued from the "mob".

242 rawmuse  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:26:56pm

re: #215 The Other Les

How about making them listen to Barbara Streisand and Yoko Ono?

Barbara is one thing, but Yoko? Good God, man...

243 RubyTuesday  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:27:05pm

re: #230 Silhouette

Or wore a sleeveless top and made him look.

omg, Sil, I just totally burst into uncontrollable LOL.

244 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:27:17pm

re: #220 Kragar (proud to be kafir)


I'm sure China is terrified of this Internation Court.

245 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:27:43pm

re: #241 Soona'

Something tells me that this terrorist has been screaming details about operations since he was rescued from the "mob".

Didn't they say that at the Hospital he was begging for "Saline" and for them to save his life?

246 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:27:45pm

re: #227 Nevergiveup

Well shit don't they just burn them up and dumb them in a river anyway? Not a big cost factor?
/

The river is the Ganges and that burial right is for Hindus, not muslims. A local muslim cemetery has refused the bodies of the dead terrorists.

247 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:27:51pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

MUDBOARD HIM!

248 Wishing  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:16pm

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

Isn't the "chain of command" concept supposed to anticipate that sort of thing?

I think we have to cut them some slack: this was a HUGE attack, hitting so many different places, their bosses cut down by the terrorists. And I wouldn't want to be the poor SOB who was next in the chain of command on a day like that.

249 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:26pm

Found a Hitchens article posted today at Slate.

Have yet to read it but figured others here would want to see the link.

250 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:32pm

re: #246 Perplexed

The river is the Ganges and that burial right is for Hindus, not muslims. A local muslim cemetery has refused the bodies of the dead terrorists.

Heard that too, good for them.

251 legalpad  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:39pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I understand what they did, why they did it, and I would have done the same thing myself.

But, a lot of the comments here are suggesting he SHOULD have been this or that, or this done to him or that done to him.

That sounds premeditated, beyond the pale of the moment. That's savage.

I understand your feelings. But all we can do is talk about it. It's frustrating, but it how we feel. What really happens is we talk, sometimes way beyond anything normal for us, and a small bit of that emotion is stored inside us. It may or may not manifest itself in what we do. I tend to calculate in a fight. Some people are influenced more by rage. I would probably one of them if I saw them torture those people, that happy Jewish couple. But then I would probably calculate and take notes when I heard someone justifying the actions of the terrorists. I hold them responsible too.

252 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:41pm

re: #246 Perplexed

The river is the Ganges and that burial right is for Hindus, not muslims. A local muslim cemetery has refused the bodies of the dead terrorists.

I meant the victims. And I did read that. Good for that cemetery!

253 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:49pm

re: #244 monkeytime

I'm sure China is terrified of this Internation Court.

absolutely atwitter with fear I bet. More BS for us to waste time and money on.

254 brickthruplateglasswindow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:56pm

re: #223 The Other Les

And the terrorist also has to take an anger management class.

/

and 500 hours of community service that entails personal appearances on talk shows and the local college lecture circuit...oh, and a book deal too. That'll teach 'em.

255 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:28:57pm

re: #245 Nevergiveup

Yes, and now he wants to be dead. Guess he realizes how much he's given up and should he ever return home, would be killed.

256 Ben Hur  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:29:42pm

re: #255 Perplexed

Yes, and now he wants to be dead. Guess he realizes how much he's given up and should he ever return home, would be killed.

Interesting what type of failure is unacceptable.

257 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:30:32pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn't be particularly troubled if they interrogated him with chemicals. Or, for that matter, with a car battery and a pair of jumper cables. They are the enemy, and any knowledge they have could help the war effort.

They stepped outside the Geneva Convention the moment they decided to fight without adhering to the laws of war themselves. It'll really suck to be them, but that's not my problem.

258 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:30:33pm

re: #206 DisturbedEma Uhhh, that was the point I was trying to make.

259 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:30:46pm

re: #203 Nevergiveup

Not quite like Pakistan.

Not "quite". And how many terrorists pulled this off in Mumbai?

260 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:31:11pm

re: #253 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

absolutely atwitter with fear I bet. More BS for us to waste time and money on.

And a new job for Al Gore.

261 astronmr20  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:31:26pm

I am seriously going to look into being armed the next time I go to India. I may have to purchase a firearm from the underworld, but I don't see any problem with it.

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:31:29pm
263 Summer  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:20pm

I'm glad they kept him alive to get the necessary information. However, I do hope they thrashed him hard enough for him to feel physical and disabling pain for the rest of his natural life in prison.

264 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:24pm

re: #215 The Other Les

How about making them listen to Barbara Streisand and Yoko Ono?

Good God, man. I do have my limits to cruelty.

265 JohnnyReb  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:28pm

re: #255 Perplexed

Yes, and now he wants to be dead. Guess he realizes how much he's given up and should he ever return home, would be killed.

I don't think it would be as simple as killing him. He is a dead man walking and he knows it. But it won't be quick and it won't be simple.

266 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:29pm

re: #198 UberInfidel67

. . . These people were PISSED and with damn good reason. Imagine what more trouble this barbarian could have caused had they not stomped his butt.

Yes, that's the point that's being missed, I think.
It was obvious that this guy had to be stopped.
These people had no weapons. They did what they could, and what they had to do, imo, to stop this guy from shooting yet more people, which very well might have happened if they had just stood around gawking.

267 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:31pm

re: #257 Iron Fist

Ever read Taipan? Remember the torture sequence?

269 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:56pm

re: #214 Iron Fist
IO think I was seriously misunderstood with my post. My remark about protesting the existence of Gitmo was in response to Walter and his bitching about "fair trial". I think we should keep Gitmo!

270 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:32:56pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

I wonder what the Islamist SATs (Suicide Aptitude Tests) are like, and what the percentile scoring is.

I suspose anyone who survived failed or cheated.

271 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:33:45pm

Six bodies of Mumbai Chabad victims arrive in Israel

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

But one of the victims: Aryeh Leibish Teitelboim
The family has also said that it does not want Teitelboim's coffin wrapped in an Israeli flag before it is boarded onto the plane

Teitelboim grew up a member of the Hasidic Satmar sect and married into the Toldot Avraham Yitzhak sect - two communities which oppose Zionism and do not recognize the State of Israel.

I would have told his family to find another way home for the body. But that's just me!

272 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:33:54pm

re: #270 monkeytime

They had made plans for their escape and return.

273 UberInfidel67  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:33:57pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout
Thank you reine : )

274 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #271 Nevergiveup

Sad for the families of the murdered.

275 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:34:37pm

re: #271 Nevergiveup

Satmar sect in Israel?

Eh, they are still Jews.

276 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:35:39pm

re: #233 Noam Sayin'

The Lizard army in cartoon form? Brilliant!

277 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:36:15pm

O/T, but David Gregory to take over as "Meet The Press" moderator.

278 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:36:22pm

re: #272 Perplexed

They had made plans for their escape and return.


I think someone forgot to bring the "escape" part of the plan.

279 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:36:36pm
280 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:36:56pm

re: #277 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

O/T, but David Gregory to take over as "Meet The Press" moderator.

Hat tip- Mark Levin...

281 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:36:56pm

re: #278 monkeytime

I think someone forgot to bring the "escape" part of the plan.

To be covered next month.

282 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:36:57pm

re: #249 karmic_inquisitor

Found a Hitchens article posted today at Slate.

Have yet to read it but figured others here would want to see the link.

Well - I am not impressed. Hithcens goes about criticizing people for being equivocal and parochial but then fails to call for anything other than warm solidarity.

Sorry - specifics are in order. Obama is good at warm solidarity and other vague pronouncements but that won't help slay the beast - it only feeds it.

283 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:37:13pm
284 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:37:46pm

Just occurred to me that no one -- NO ONE (think UN, MSM, any world gov't you can name, et cetera) -- is calling on al Qaida, LeT and the others to abide by the Geneva Convention.

Why is that?

/Yeah, I really do like typing superfluous comments

285 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:38:01pm
286 BignJames  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:38:24pm

re: #280 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Another reason not to watch.

287 RedWhiteAndJew  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:39:00pm

279 ploome hineni

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

And, we'd save big bucks on halal catering.

not to mention the hours Achmed has to spend at the gym, doing aerobics to get rid of the excess weight

"Hakeem, do these nutritious halal Gitmo meals make me look fatwah?"

288 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:39:28pm
289 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:39:33pm

Step out side and check out Mars, Venus and the crescent moon. do it.

290 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:40:39pm
291 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:40:42pm

Bill Clinton mentioned for wife's Senate seat

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I have not heard that mentioned here in the NY metropolitan area, but hey let the games begin!

292 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:40:43pm

re: #289 FrogMarch

Step out side and check out Mars, Venus and the crescent moon. do it.


As long as I don't have to look at Uranus.
/

293 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:40:52pm
294 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:41:29pm

re: #289 FrogMarch

Step out side and check out Mars, Venus and the crescent moon. do it.

Not really visible where I live. Too much light pollution.

295 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:41:44pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

re: #285 Bloodnok

Shameless ploy for a karma bump.

296 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:41:51pm

re: #287 RedWhiteAndJew

279 ploome hineni

"Hakeem, do these nutritious halal Gitmo meals make me look fatwah?"

There was a report issued by some self appointed human rights group a couple years back about how the diet at Gitmo was making the detainees overweight.

Of all the things to complain about.

At the time I thought such "torture" should be called "schmorgasboarding"

297 WrathofG-d  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:41:57pm

re: #291 Nevergiveup

Is that how thins work in the U.S. now? By relation?

298 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:42:11pm

re: #292 VegasRick

As long as I don't have to look at Uranus.
/

I got Uranus right here, baby.

299 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:42:46pm

Since Friday, U.S. intelligence agencies have been tracking the phones and SIM cards recovered by Indian authorities from the Mumbai terrorists leading to a "treasure trove" of leads in Pakistan and several possible connections to the United States, officials say.

Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Sure, why keep something like that a secret?

300 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:42:52pm

re: #288 Ojoe

New towercam view. Look now.

Best image I've ever seen from the towercam. Thanks.

301 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:42:53pm

re: #288 Ojoe

New wallpaper. Caught it as the sun was spreading out rays. Really cool.

302 bosforus  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:42:58pm

re: #293 Ojoe

Go look at the towercam

Lookin' good!

303 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:43:12pm

re: #292 VegasRick

As long as I don't have to look at Uranus.
/

...(rimshot)

304 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:44:16pm

re: #62 stuiec

Drop him off with his L-e-T brethren in Kashmir, gift-wrapped with a card that says, "Here are all the names and operational details your brave mujahid gave us. Send us more like him."

Then see what they do to their own.

Don't forget the GPS implant!

305 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:45:19pm

re: #298 FrogMarch

I got Uranus right here, baby.

LOL!
I saw it last night and did not even realize what it was, I told my wife that it was 2 planes until they never moved. I will be videotaping it tonight.

306 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:46:51pm

re: #284 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just occurred to me that no one -- NO ONE (think UN, MSM, any world gov't you can name, et cetera) -- is calling on al Qaida, LeT and the others to abide by the Geneva Convention.

Why is that?

/Yeah, I really do like typing superfluous comments

We are the ultimate in being oppressors and as such deserve anything anyone throws at us.

/removes tin foil hat and Che t-shirt.

307 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:47:22pm

Pentagon hires British scientist to help build robot soldiers that 'won't commit war crimes'
The American military is planning to build robot soldiers that will not be able to commit war crimes like their human comrades in arms.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

That's insulting and they can go fuck themselves!

308 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:05pm

re: #305 VegasRick

LOL!
I saw it last night and did not even realize what it was, I told my wife that it was 2 planes until they never moved. I will be videotaping it tonight.

Video-taping three objects in the sky that aren't moving?
/just asking

309 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:05pm

re: #299 Nevergiveup

Since Friday, U.S. intelligence agencies have been tracking the phones and SIM cards recovered by Indian authorities from the Mumbai terrorists leading to a "treasure trove" of leads in Pakistan and several possible connections to the United States, officials say.

Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Sure, why keep something like that a secret?

Actually, that story should generate more chatter as "communications discipline" gets re-evaluated and new dictats on it go out.

Until now I hadn't put the two together, but the BlackBerry message architecture leaves a huge trail of crumbs on what is called a BES server. I would assume these guys used the provider's BES server rather than their own (which would be really stupid). Those communications providers will have volumes of data they can supply and just about the whole lifetime of each one of those devices can be reconstructed from the backups.

The forensics on this could yield an intelligence jackpot and reveal who was where when from the moment those devices registered with the network.

310 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:12pm
311 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:15pm
Police sources were quoted today revealing the hijacked Indian fishing boat used by the gunmen to approach Mumbai had equipment for 15 men on board – suggesting that several gunmen could still be at large.

'Fifteen jackets were found, 15 toothbrushes even,' one police source was quoted as saying in The Times. 'That more men were involved is possible.'

I simply can't believe terrorists think about dental hygiene on a mission like this one. Wouldn't the things they found belong to those from whom the boat was hijacked?

312 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:23pm

re: #299 Nevergiveup

Since Friday, U.S. intelligence agencies have been tracking the phones and SIM cards recovered by Indian authorities from the Mumbai terrorists leading to a "treasure trove" of leads in Pakistan and several possible connections to the United States, officials say.

Officials say one of the cell phone SIM cards may have been purchased in the United States but would not provide any more details because of the ongoing nature of the investigation.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Sure, why keep something like that a secret?

Fucking assholes can't keep their fucking collective mouths shut. Go after the m*fucker who leaked this to the press and run them in for violating the terms of their holding a security clearance.

313 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:51pm

re: #271 Nevergiveup

Six bodies of Mumbai Chabad victims arrive in Israel

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

But one of the victims: Aryeh Leibish Teitelboim
The family has also said that it does not want Teitelboim's coffin wrapped in an Israeli flag before it is boarded onto the plane

Teitelboim grew up a member of the Hasidic Satmar sect and married into the Toldot Avraham Yitzhak sect - two communities which oppose Zionism and do not recognize the State of Israel.

I would have told his family to find another way home for the body. But that's just me!

It is utterly disgusting that Haaretz chose to rip on this murder victim. Let his family honor him in whatever way they want and let the poor man rest in peace. To make an issue about this is beyond vile.

314 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:48:51pm

re: #305 VegasRick

LOL!
I saw it last night and did not even realize what it was, I told my wife that it was 2 planes until they never moved. I will be videotaping it tonight.

I was out looking for my cat. Otherwise I would have missed it. Just beautiful!

315 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:49:23pm

re: #309 karmic_inquisitor

Ok good teckie point I did not know about.

316 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:49:25pm
317 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:49:58pm

re: #308 Soona'

Video-taping three objects in the sky that aren't moving?
/just asking

IIRC I read that you won't be able to see it this well again until 2052. I'll be long gone by then!

318 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:51:05pm

re: #317 VegasRick

IIRC I read that you won't be able to see it this well again until 2052. I'll be long gone by then!

We'll all be gone by then. Aztec calender ends in 2012.

319 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:51:12pm

re: #311 wrenchwench

I simply can't believe terrorists think about dental hygiene on a mission like this one. Wouldn't the things they found belong to those from whom the boat was hijacked?

Actualy, Islamists are big on hygiene prior to performing any ritual like prayer. They consider their killing sprees a religious act and will be fastidious in "cleansing" themselves before doing things like killing women and children.

320 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:51:46pm

re: #318 Perplexed

We'll all be gone by then. Aztec calender ends in 2012.

Mayan calender.

321 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:51:48pm

re: #164 karmic_inquisitor

This is a horrible sight.

I squirm in revulsion.

This alleged gunman should be tried and, if convicted, fined and given counseling.

His fine should be waived because we can assume that he is poor and oppressed, but in waiving the fine the judge should FIRMLY convey (perhaps even by memorandum) that the fine will be reimposed if the gentleman re-engages in slaughtering random people in public at any point in the next 5 years.

/

Speaking too firmly may hurt his self-esteem. Needs to be done very, very, cawefuwwy

322 Cato the Elder  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:51:49pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Not really visible where I live. Too much light pollution.

I have the same problem, DF. Big city lights obscure all but the very brightest heavenly bodies for me. Plus it is cloudy in Maryland tonight, so I'd be out of luck even out in the country.

Because I'm disabled, I rarely get out of the city. But every time I've been to someplace like Maine, I've always been astonished and overawed at the brilliance and glory of the stars and the Milky Way.

Is there any way to watch tonight's astronomical show on the web?

323 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:52:12pm
324 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:52:12pm

Is he hallal yet?

325 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:52:51pm

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

Mayan calender.

Iceberg. Goldberg. ...

326 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:01pm

re: #313 Alouette

It is utterly disgusting that Haaretz chose to rip on this murder victim. Let his family honor him in whatever way they want and let the poor man rest in peace. To make an issue about this is beyond vile.

Well it's one thing to honor him and it is another to dishonor Israel. He had an American passport and refused Israel citizenship but his wife and kids retained their Israeli citizenship for the benefits! I am sorry he is dead, but I have a probelm with his family.

327 Silhouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:03pm
328 Soona'  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:10pm

re: #317 VegasRick

IIRC I read that you won't be able to see it this well again until 2052. I'll be long gone by then!

What I meant was; why don't you just take a still picture of it?

329 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:21pm

re: #325 karmic_inquisitor

Iceberg. Goldberg. ...

...let's call the whole thing off!

330 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:25pm
331 itellu3times  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:30pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Not really visible where I live. Too much light pollution.

Um, try Venus and Jupiter.

If you have a pair of binocs, look at the dimmer one, that's Jupiter, and with 7x50s you should be able to see three or four of Jupiter's moons - the site of which gave Galileo conniptions.

332 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:33pm

re: #318 Perplexed

We'll all be gone by then. Aztec calender ends in 2012.

Damn! I need until at least 2022 to get my 401k back where it was before last month!

333 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:53:50pm
334 loflyer  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:54:23pm

re: #316 reine.de.tout

Beautiful!

You 'de man Ojoe! beautiful shot!
/Pirates are suckers for sunsets!

335 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:54:28pm

re: #277 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

O/T, but David Gregory to take over as "Meet The Press" moderator.

Set your Tivo to the 'stun' setting.

336 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:54:52pm

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

Mayan calender.

Them too?

337 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:54:53pm

re: #319 karmic_inquisitor

Actualy, Islamists are big on hygiene prior to performing any ritual like prayer. They consider their killing sprees a religious act and will be fastidious in "cleansing" themselves before doing things like killing women and children.

Oh, right. I forgot about that. Dirty bastards.

338 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:54:55pm
339 bosforus  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:55:06pm

re: #310 Ojoe

Last Rays! Look Now! There it goes! Towercam!

It's looking rather beautiful without the rays, IMO.

340 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:55:10pm

re: #274 Perplexed

Sad for the families of the murdered.

I get very tired and saddened by the sympathy shown for the the perpetrators of such violent acts that diverts the media's attention away from the true victims of the "suspected" terrorists. Until this whole PC bullsh!t stops, the public will never accept the threat our way of life faces until it becomes personal. I only hope that epiphany comes sooner rather than later but I place little confidence in the former.

341 Ojoe  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:55:24pm
342 The Other Les  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:55:32pm

Um...

See what we learned today Mr. Scruffy? Solve a man's problems with violence, help him for a day. Teach a man to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime!

343 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:55:53pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

Hey - we have a real-time ethics problem. Or at least the Indians do.

They have a guy in custody and it appears (at least according to drudge) that there are 5 terrorists unaccounted for who may be off to cause more mayhem.

Does the terrorist in custody know? What if there is a pending attack? Does it justify torture? Textbook case, but happening in real time in India. I am wondering why I don't hear any leftists screaming about what India may or may not be doing - they screamed forever about "what was going on at Guantanamo" without knowing.


Put underwear on his head.....that'll get the media screaming...

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:56:02pm

re: #295 Noam Sayin'

re: #285 Bloodnok

Shameless ploy for a karma bump.

Just finished watching the video.
Thanks!
(and I gave Your Shamelessness another bump, too)

345 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:56:17pm

re: #337 wrenchwench

Oh, right. I forgot about that. Dirty bastards.

LOL.

346 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:56:25pm

re: #341 Ojoe

It's down, the sun, now, seen from Mount Wilson.

More Tomorrow!

How can you be so sure?

347 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:57:38pm

re: #343 LGoPs

Put underwear on his head.....that'll get the media screaming...

You got that right.

And just think - if they catch the other 5 then they can make a pyramid.

The horror.

348 VegasRick  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:57:57pm

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

How can you be so sure?

It's not 2012 yet.

349 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:58:00pm

re: #343 LGoPs

Put underwear on his head.....that'll get the media screaming...

Hell, I had a TI tell a guy to wear his jockstrap (cup over his face) and run around screaming "I am a dumbass." By that time we knew better than to laugh.

350 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:58:19pm

He should be tied to a chair and forced to listen to Barry Manilow while the movie Gigli plays in front of him on a widescreen HDTV, both on perpetual loop.

I know that this is brutal and cruel, but extreme actions call for extreme responses.

351 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 4:58:20pm

re: #334 loflyer

You 'de man Ojoe! beautiful shot!
/Pirates are suckers for sunsets!

(and while the foolish pirate is watching the sunset, he doesn't notice the frigate tacking closer in darkness behind him ...)

/soft creaking as the guns are slowwwwwwly run out

352 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:00:27pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

Well it's one thing to honor him and it is another to dishonor Israel. He had an American passport and refused Israel citizenship but his wife and kids retained their Israeli citizenship for the benefits! I am sorry he is dead, but I have a probelm with his family.

You have a problem with his family? Are they terrorists? Are they breaking any laws? Just shut the fuck up.

353 loflyer  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:01:11pm

re: #351 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(and while the foolish pirate is watching the sunset, he doesn't notice the frigate tacking closer in darkness behind him ...)

/soft creaking as the guns are slowwwwwwly run out

Haar! Helm a lee! and run out to the larboard! Evening PBM, how 'ya doing mate?

354 Bubblehead II  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:01:48pm

I am now gone for the night. Ironfist rule engaged.

TTYL

In the morning if time allows.

Missed Mandy.

Whuuu.

355 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:01:52pm

re: #352 Alouette

You have a problem with his family? Are they terrorists? Are they breaking any laws? Just shut the fuck up.

I am allowed to have my opinion. They didn't have to have his body taken back on IAF plane. And I will never shut up!

356 kcladderman  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:02:23pm

re: #318 Perplexed

We'll all be gone by then. Aztec calender ends in 2012.

I am not Aztec. Besides my calender ends in 30 days.

357 monkeytime  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:03:46pm

re: #307 Nevergiveup

Pentagon hires British scientist to help build robot soldiers that 'won't commit war crimes'
The American military is planning to build robot soldiers that will not be able to commit war crimes like their human comrades in arms.


[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

That's insulting and they can go fuck themselves!

Oh no! We better get our Robot Insurance...

358 bosforus  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:03:47pm

re: #341 Ojoe

It's down, the sun, now, seen from Mount Wilson.

More Tomorrow!

Ever see an emerald flash?

359 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:04:02pm

re: #353 loflyer

Haar! Helm a lee! and run out to the larboard! Evening PBM, how 'ya doing mate?

Doin' good, ya ol' butchering warthog, you!

360 snowcrash  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:06:58pm

Venus and Jupiter are so bright! Went outside and checked it out with the kids. Thanks for the heads up.

361 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:07:13pm

Torture is a tough subject. Nobody in a free society wants to discuss it and maybe it shouldn't be discussed because there is no way to make a civilized argument for it.
But the threat remains and it increasingly shows that there are no boundaries. The only reason we didn't get nuked on 9-11 was because they didn't have one yet. Certainly not because they were exhibiting self-restraint.
All free nations can hope for is that they have some rough men that know what needs to be done and do it.....without talking it to death.

362 Salamantis  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:07:29pm

I have already created this terrorist's menu: nothing but Underwood Deviled Ham sandwiches and cheap Mexican beer.

Besides the haram nature of the meals, he also gets to suffer major gastric ramifications.

363 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:07:41pm

re: #80 Iron Fist

Civilization is for the weak.

Yes. Civilization is for the benefit of those who build, invent, innovate, heal, nurture, plant, harvest, teach. The weak. Civilization is their creation and gift to the future, entrusted to the strong.

Who are the strong? They are the ones who can bear the burden of defending civilization, the strong face the odds without despair and accept the pain of doing what must be done.

Great damage has already been done to Civilization by the powerful--who are not all strong, merely ruthless. Terrible cruelty has been inflicted on the weak by the merciless--who are not strong, merely driven by lust for glory.

Who are the fools? Those who refuse to help the strong against the powerful, who refuse to name the merciless as criminal, mere bullies forever damned for a hideous moment of glory.

Choose. God says, "Take what you want, and pay for it."

364 loflyer  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:07:45pm

re: #359 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Doin' good, ya ol' butchering warthog, you!

That'd be scurvy bilge-rat mate. Pirates love hogs! Got a busy week and week-end coming up for the next two weeks as three major projects go online in the next two weeks. The game is on! Haar I love this job, I hate the the pay!

365 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:08:32pm

re: #362 Salamantis

I have already created this terrorist's menu: nothing but Underwood Deviled Ham sandwiches and cheap Mexican beer.

Besides the haram nature of the meals, he also gets to suffer major gastric ramifications.

Cruel bastard.

366 FrogMarch  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:08:38pm

re: #360 snowcrash

Venus and Jupiter are so bright! Went outside and checked it out with the kids. Thanks for the heads up.

Venus and Jupiter. I thought it was Venus and Mars. (by bad) Jupiter is even better!

367 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:08:42pm

re: #358 bosforus

Ever see an emerald flash?

Yes - in Maui!

368 Bobibutu  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:10:24pm

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

Walter - you were right - I was wrong. Chopra is an idiot.

369 bosforus  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:12:00pm

re: #367 debutaunt

Yes - in Maui!

Nice!
I'm out, later lizards.

370 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:13:45pm

night all.

371 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:13:58pm
372 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:14:24pm
373 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:14:41pm

re: #307 Nevergiveup

Pentagon hires British scientist to help build robot soldiers that 'won't commit war crimes'
The American military is planning to build robot soldiers that will not be able to commit war crimes like their human comrades in arms.


[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

That's insulting and they can go fuck themselves!

We could use some terrorist robots that don't, you know, do bad stuff.

374 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:14:43pm

re: #371 ploome hineni

what's wrong with sodium thiopental?

It doesn't really work.

375 NYCHardhat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:14:45pm

The western media will put the thrashers on the stand a la Rodney King.

376 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:15:28pm

re: #371 ploome hineni

what's wrong with sodium thiopental?

Is that what's otherwise called truth serum?

377 debutaunt  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:15:36pm

re: #308 Soona'

Video-taping three objects in the sky that aren't moving?
/just asking

hahahahahhahahaha

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:16:45pm

re: #364 loflyer

That'd be scurvy bilge-rat mate. Pirates love hogs! Got a busy week and week-end coming up for the next two weeks as three major projects go online in the next two weeks. The game is on! Haar I love this job, I hate the the pay!

Sorry about being back late. Got other stuff going on.

Hang tough through the rush. Low pay is better than none.

379 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:17:48pm
380 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:18:13pm
381 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:20:38pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup

I am allowed to have my opinion. They didn't have to have his body taken back on IAF plane. And I will never shut up!

As a matter of fact the family requested to transport the body on a commercial flight, but that would make the Israelis "look bad." I think it is an outrage that some people (Haaretz and apparently, yourself) want to make this poor murder victim into some kind of evil enemy. What did he ever do to hurt anyone in his life? Leave him and his family the fuck alone.

382 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:22:09pm

re: #381 Alouette

As a matter of fact the family requested to transport the body on a commercial flight, but that would make the Israelis "look bad." I think it is an outrage that some people (Haaretz and apparently, yourself) want to make this poor murder victim into some kind of evil enemy. What did he ever do to hurt anyone in his life? Leave him and his family the fuck alone.

You seem to like the word fuck alot?

383 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:23:37pm
384 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:25:14pm

re: #361 LGoPs

Torture is gravely immoral, it also debases the torturer. President Bush tread a fine line, arriving at an uneasy compromise that I do support. It allowed what was desperately necessary, within boundaries. I detest the hand-wringing over Guantanamo, people have no sense of proportion and clearly no sense of our peril.

The most compelling argument against employing torture is that it removes a very thin barrier protecting our own soldiers. It also gives our leaders, and these same soldiers, a psychological strength to draw from--we are actually fighting for good, we are better than these sadists. Having said these things, I believe it is wrong and ungrateful and arrogant to constantly stand in judgment of battlefield actions. War is all hell.

Can we preserve our inner core, and adapt, settling on the needed thing at the needed time? We need to visit, seriously, the rules of engagement for our country to wage this war, win it, and remain recognizable to ourselves.

385 MilkOfMalfeasance  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:25:24pm

re: #231 GeeWiz

GeeWiz, I wasnt trying to correct you, I missed your comment. I just wanted to point out that these people remind me of the "regular" people who stood up on Flight 93, to put animals like these down.

386 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:25:38pm

re: #379 ploome hineni

and arterioscorosis, cholelethiasis, hepaticlipodosis and veno-occlusive disease, not to mention predisose for coloncancer

Got him comin' and a goin'.

387 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:26:50pm

re: #383 ploome hineni

the IDF should have left his body in Mumbai

Your ahavas Yisrael is just a brilliant light.

388 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:26:56pm
389 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:28:23pm
390 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:29:12pm
391 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:30:08pm
392 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:31:13pm

re: #391 ploome hineni

The guy would have a terminal case of gas.

393 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:31:21pm

re: #390 ploome hineni

you forgot to write fuck

Fuck.

394 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:31:23pm

re: #390 ploome hineni

you forgot to write fuck

You go girl. And people wonder why with the Romans at the Gates of Jerusalem, we Jews were still killing each other inside. The more things change the more they stay the same!

395 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:33:01pm
396 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:33:36pm

re: #384 Joan

Can we preserve our inner core, and adapt, settling on the needed thing at the needed time? We need to visit, seriously, the rules of engagement for our country to wage this war, win it, and remain recognizable to ourselves.

I don't have the answer to your question. I suggest you ask Walter. Survival emotes visceral reactions where those that ignore such threats seek a more civil path. I could be wrong, just ask my ex.

397 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:34:47pm
398 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:35:54pm

Kick his ass!

399 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:35:59pm

re: #397 ploome hineni

I was not up to fighting with the family of the deceased Tietolbaum, they did not want him on an IDF plane..so be it

and Alouette was using that language

not e

I am on your side. My statement about fighting was not directed towards you. She was on me before you.

400 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:37:30pm
401 yochanan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:37:46pm

re: #25 Perplexed

BEAT THE MOMZAR TO AN INCH OF HIS LIFE, REPEAT AS NEEDED

402 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:39:25pm
403 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:39:39pm

re: #401 yochanan

BEAT THE MOMZAR TO AN INCH OF HIS LIFE, REPEAT AS NEEDED

Ever read the book Taipan? If you did then you remember what they did to this one guy.

404 jlevyellow  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:39:57pm

How is it that 10 terrorists can kill and wound over 300 people? Did everyone just lie down to receive their punishment? Could that level of slaughter happen in other countries as well, or is India uniquely blessed with this constitution? This is a serious question!

I read that Europeans were slaughtered on a staircase after being asked their nationality. Did no one facing certain death try to take out their attackers? What mechanism was a work here? The same that allowed Jews to walk, heads held high, into the gas chambers?

Answer: Anger is no longer a permitted emotion. People have little or no experience with survival situations. "Hope" has replaced all negative feelings, so even under threat of annihilation, no one will raise a hand to an attacker! Perhaps "I" will be the one to be saved. No group attachment! Survival is individual rather than group based.

Oh, well. Better luck next time. Maybe the Indians who lived through this will take a different tack next time. It only takes one depressed angry victim to turn on his attacker!

405 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:40:15pm

re: #385 MilkOfMalfeasance

re: #388 ploome hineni

I thank you for the correction. Many times, I get my facts wrong but the message remains the same. Thanks for the correction and helping me get the message right.

406 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:41:10pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

The Ha'aretz article said nothing about his family not wanting him on the plane. It merely said they did not want an Israeli flag draped over his coffin.

Accuracy, please.

Alouette said that about the plane. I did not read that anywhere either.

407 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:41:18pm
408 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:42:41pm

re: #363 Joan

There is a saying that I like: "a man who deems himself to be free, but lacks the arms and the will to defend that freedom, is not free. He is merely fortunate."

This is also true of the greater society. If the society lacks the arms and the will to defend itself, it is only a matter of time until it falls. It would be ironic in the extreme if our epitaph is "Too civilized to defend Civilization."

That is exactly where we are headed. We've heard more about Abu Grabass over the years than we have heard of Mohammedans blamed for Islamic Terror. All Islamic terror in every nation for the whole time combined.

That is not the path to victory. It is the path to defeat. If we lose here, no one in the future will care how nicely we treated our enemies while they tried to wipe us from the face of the earth.

So excuse me if I don't lose any sleep over the "horrible" way Mohammedan terrorists have been treated. It sucks to be them.

409 tradewind  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:42:42pm

I just got an email from a flight attendant I used to work with who received a first person account from one of our crews caught in the middle of the assault.....scary as hell because you know it's real. The pilot who sent the message believes that there was inside help in the case of the Oberi hotel, where our crew stayed....
The airline hired a ' civilian extraction team' to get one of the flight crews out. Not saying a lot for Indian military or police.

410 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:42:49pm

re: #407 ploome hineni

hehehe

I was responding to Alouettes' comments, which i assumed were accurate

See i got your back!

411 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:43:29pm

re: #388 ploome hineni

you are hilarious

I'm sorry ploome, I fail to see the humor in Joan's post. Please enlighten me.

412 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:45:21pm
413 Iron Fist  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:45:47pm

re: #404 jlevyellow

I can't imagine waiting passively for the hunter to come kill me. I'm going to be hunting him while he is hunting me. I may still be killed. Resistance is not a guarentee of success. But it is a damn sight better than passively waiting for your killer to get around to killing you.

414 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:46:06pm

re: #412 buzzsawmonkey

re: #410 Nevergiveup

Kindly point me to the post where Alouette said that Teitelboim's family did not want him on the plane. I do not recall it.

re: #381 Alouette

As a matter of fact the family requested to transport the body on a commercial flight, but that would make the Israelis "look bad." I think it is an outrage that some people (Haaretz and apparently, yourself) want to make this poor murder victim into some kind of evil enemy. What did he ever do to hurt anyone in his life? Leave him and his family the fuck alone.

You seem to like the word fuck alot?

415 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:46:47pm

re: #404 jlevyellow

How is it that 10 terrorists can kill and wound over 300 people? Did everyone just lie down to receive their punishment? Could that level of slaughter happen in other countries as well, or is India uniquely blessed with this constitution? This is a serious question!

I read that Europeans were slaughtered on a staircase after being asked their nationality. Did no one facing certain death try to take out their attackers? What mechanism was a work here? The same that allowed Jews to walk, heads held high, into the gas chambers?

Answer: Anger is no longer a permitted emotion. People have little or no experience with survival situations. "Hope" has replaced all negative feelings, so even under threat of annihilation, no one will raise a hand to an attacker! Perhaps "I" will be the one to be saved. No group attachment! Survival is individual rather than group based.

Oh, well. Better luck next time. Maybe the Indians who lived through this will take a different tack next time. It only takes one depressed angry victim to turn on his attacker!

How about shock? How about being totally unprepared for a terrorism incident? How about just being shot down for being white? This was a WTF moment in so many ways for those who were involved. Even on 9/11 the only flight that had (to the best of our knowledge) active resistance to the hijackers was flight 93 and that was only after finding out about the other hijacked aircraft.

416 tradewind  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:50:25pm

re: #415 Perplexed

Absolutely. Mindsets were changed in the big paradigm shift that was 9-11, as far as air travel goes... before, crews were trained to comply as far as possible with hijackers' demands because the assumption was always that the hijacker wanted to live. There will never be another helpless plane load of people who sit by while a few take over an aircraft, but first, an entire set of beliefs had to change.

417 Alouette  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:52:06pm

re: #406 Nevergiveup

Alouette said that about the plane. I did not read that anywhere either.

YOU started this by saying this victim should not have been brought back to Israel with the other victims because of his political opinions.

My information comes from here, comments #33 and #34.

Haaretz can be expected to make this into a huge issue, but it is not something that I expected to see on LGF.

418 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:52:41pm
419 jopa416  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:54:16pm

That was nice to see.

420 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:56:49pm
421 Nevergiveup  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 5:58:57pm

re: #417 Alouette

YOU started this by saying this victim should not have been brought back to Israel with the other victims because of his political opinions.

My information comes from here, comments #33 and #34.

Haaretz can be expected to make this into a huge issue, but it is not something that I expected to see on LGF.

I have a problem with any group that refuses to acknowledge the State Of Israel and then both lives under the umbrella of freedom they provide and also takes State money. And yes I said that if He and his family did not recognize the State willing to provide this service his body did not have to be flown home on a State owned Military Plane. I stand by that. You have your opinion and I have mine. And no matter how vulgar you get with me, I ain't changing my mind or my willingness to express it.

422 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #401 yochanan

BEAT THE MOMZAR TO AN INCH OF HIS LIFE, REPEAT AS NEEDED

Beat him half to death.....and do it twice....
/

423 Perplexed  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:03:27pm

re: #422 LGoPs

If you continue beating him half to death then you will never kill him. You will approach death but never achieve it because you only continue beating him half to death. Old calculus joke.

424 LGoPs  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:11:40pm

re: #423 Perplexed

If you continue beating him half to death then you will never kill him. You will approach death but never achieve it because you only continue beating him half to death. Old calculus joke.

Kind of like the half life of an isotope, or something like that, I guess.

:)

425 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #415 Perplexed

Well answered. Still, the numbers astonish.

426 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:23:58pm

re: #424 LGoPs

Kind of like the half life of an isotope, or something like that, I guess.

:)

Splodeydopes, on the other hand, don't have a "half-life." They have an "umpty-dozen little-bitty pieces life." Measured in milliseconds.

427 Gorgon  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:28:34pm

As he nice human being I am, I feel bad for the terrorist getting beat up, but at the same time what he's getting is nothing compared to what he had just done to so many people, and their families. What kind of human being does this to other people?
An honourable mention to the photographer (Mr. Sebastian DeSouza) for being so brave. This is the least he could do, and he's done his job very well!

428 legalpad  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:30:21pm

re: #207 Silhouette

I wasn't thinking of you. I am annoyed at the news media who can't wait to make all the headlines blame the India security and ignore the main theme here. From this headline, India Security Faulted as Survivors Tell of Terror, it looks like Indian security are the one who attacked.

The clip at the top of this thread ends with the reporter sailing right up to the hotel and making a point of that. The terrorists didn't even land there. But more importantly, the blame is with first and foremost the murdering bastards.

Yes, we should always have "lessons learned" and improve where we can, but let's not lose sight of who's to blame.


Got it. They do seem to use the security analysis to let off the terrorists.
(I got sidelined for about an hour)

429 Maui Girl  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:35:59pm

re: #327 Silhouette

Can't even begin to compare with our Hawaiian night skies. All those lights are disgusting.

430 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:44:35pm

I shall leave you all now with this parental wisdom. I have raised 3 children and speak from experience. Children are very much like politicians. Children, like politicians, try their hardest to make themselves out to be something they are not. They do their damnedest to prove to you their bonifides. Exams, un-like elections, are the proof of the pudding. Exams show the degree of our children's fallacy where elections prove the effect of the sham by the politicians.

We may be able to correct the slight of hand our children attempted to achieve, but we have to live with the slight of hand our politicians achieved. This is a game that has been played for many years.
When will they ever Learn

Coming from the other side of the political spectrum but with the same message. Sometimes things just work out that way.

431 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:45:31pm

re: #404 jlevyellow

You make an interesting observation, that anger is not a permitted emotion. My first thought was H.G. Wells, The Time Machine You remember the peaceful, passive Eloi? This may be the kind of phenomenon you point out, similar to others on this thread (#408 Iron Fist: "a man who deems himself to be free, but lacks the arms and the will to defend that freedom, is not free. He is merely fortunate.") Anger is probably related to fight or flight, it's message is that something is a threat. I've seen dogs react to threat, in fact, they look angry. Freaking dangerous, too--even the little ones.

Thanks--this is real food for thought.

432 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:46:34pm

re: #430 GeeWiz

goodnight GeeWiz

433 loveguru  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:50:30pm

now i got what OIC and Muslim call excessive use of force ......

434 GeeWiz  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:51:27pm

re: #432 Joan

Thanks, and may your night be good as well!

435 loveguru  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 6:53:01pm

re: #427 Gorgon

he was really brave.... but irony is that Mumbai police is politically correct... few time back they shot dead a terrorist, and human right watch groups had started putting pressure on police .... after that they even got a special 'muslim sensitivity classes'.... and now we had only photographer left to shoot terrorist in action, with no police to do the job :(

436 JumpLandPackRepeat  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 7:13:11pm

I am sooooo going to make a .gif of his beatdown and sending it to everyone I know.....

437 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 7:17:26pm

re: #191 karmic_inquisitor

Hey - we have a real-time ethics problem. Or at least the Indians do.

They have a guy in custody and it appears (at least according to drudge) that there are 5 terrorists unaccounted for who may be off to cause more mayhem.

Does the terrorist in custody know? What if there is a pending attack? Does it justify torture? Textbook case, but happening in real time in India. I am wondering why I don't hear any leftists screaming about what India may or may not be doing - they screamed forever about "what was going on at Guantanamo" without knowing.

Double standards are so useful! And, of course, one might suspect, well, the "H" word. "Hypocrisy does not mean failing to practice what you preach; it is failing to believe what you preach." Like so many issues, this one has been hijacked by the Left for use as a cudgel against America, as a shoehorn for implementing the full menu of grand social experiments.

An example to think about: Amnesty International decrees that housing is a human rights issue. Think about the fun they'll have here with the housing bubble, using an issue that actually is more relevant to someplace like, well, Haiti.

So, to find out why they are so under the radar here--I look at timing and at purely political expedience. My poor best can only conclude that they are waiting, to make sure our Dear Leader has the benefit of whatever information is wrung out of this murderer, before they grandstand and demagogue the matter.

438 yochanan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 7:33:38pm

[Link: www.nicedoggie.net...]

may the paki scum sucking terrorists see this as the last thing they see be for they get there 72 virgin goats.

439 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 7:52:23pm

re: #7 Perplexed

You can always threaten to return him to the crowd that was in the process of beating him to death.

"Perp" -

True - he is verry luckky I was NOT there. That is ALL!

-S-

440 yochanan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 7:55:58pm

Patriotism is an indispensable weapon in the defense of civilization against barbarism. That was brought home over the weekend in an article in The Times of India on Sandeep Unnikrishnan, a major in India's National Security Guards who died fighting the terrorists at the Taj hotel. The reporter spoke with the young man's parents as they mourned their son: "His father, dignified in the face of such a personal tragedy, was stoic, saying he was proud of his son who sacrificed his life for the country: 'He died for the nation.'

YES INDEED.

441 Joan  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 8:04:02pm

re: #388 ploome hineni

speak for yourself and your inner core
who are you to speak for some collective inner core

you are hilarious

you are flecked with your own spittle

442 leftover54  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 10:02:30pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Here's to hoping the reason isn't 'cause it makes them no better than him". I've seen dudes get worse beatings because they insulted some dudes sister/mother/wife/girlfriend. Even if they killed the guy I wouldn't have a problem with it. Emotions were through the roof. Now if they were beating him because he "looked like a terrorist", had some particular accent, dressed a certain way etc., that led the mob to make a wrong assumption, bigoted or otherwise, then yes, they'd be wrong. If they were positive the POS was one of the "terrorists" (Disciple of Satan) because he was caught fleeing the scene, weapon in hand, then I'd ask you - what the hell is the problem with this ? One gets over a beating in a few days - its not like they executed him there in the street. Then again, maybe this wasn't your point at all.

443 leftover54  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 10:06:43pm

re: #53 Walter L. Newton

Give me a freakin' break ! DAMN. You can't understand this ? Do you have ice water in your veins ?

444 leftover54  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 10:35:25pm

re: #58 FurryOldGuyJeans

C'mon ! I can't believe I'm reading these comments ! This is SO freakin' understandable that I can not relate to these type of comments in the least ! I'm not cheering them, I'm not condoning "mob violence", it it just "what it is". I don't need an explanation, I have no questions. I recognize it for what it is and I think it is perfectly understandable - somewhat like an heroic act even - people reacting in an extreme manner in extreme circumstances/situations. I have zero emotional reaction to watching that beating (other than to recognize the extreme emotional state these folks were experiencing). If I were to hold a light bulb above my head and drop it on a concrete floor the resulting explosion of the bulb as it hit the floor would have the same effect on me: "yeah, what the hell did you expect ?". Next. Not exactly the same as a couple pedestrians witnessing a purse snatching and beating the thief 1/2 to death before the cops arrive. How about a little sense of proportion huh ?

445 leftover54  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 10:41:29pm

Hmmmm...obviously a dead thread. Shoulda looked at the time(s) of the previous postings...if a person posts on a thread and there is no one there to read it does it....wait... hah ! I can ! Nah, na, nah nah naaaahhhhhhhh !
Thwipppttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ! Your grandmother wears Army boots !
This is fun ! And another thing I've been meaning to tell you, you floor flushing...huh...what was that ?.....Hmmmm...Who's there ? Hello.....?
Ah sh*t.... Quick, behind the desk...

446 Green Helmet Guy  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 10:54:57pm
It seems that the U.S. has make the same mistakes that Israel has already made in their attempt to "fight" Islamism.

Alleviating Arab poverty was the 1st step the Israelis took. They gave the Arabs full citizenship, money to come into Israel, homes, land, and education. The Arabs used that land to claim Palestinian "Rights", the homes as terrorist bases, the money to buy guns and promote propaganda against the Jews, and the education to lead the Cells and build the bombs.

It is sad that it seems that we are going to copy the manner of "fighting" Islamism that will ensure we are still "fighting" this problem in at least 60+ years.

re: #29 WrathofG-d

And don't forget who built the Arabs all their infrastructure or where all their energy comes from or where they work. Also lets not for get the Arabs who have Israeli IDs get welfare and other financial bonuses.

447 Green Helmet Guy  Mon, Dec 1, 2008 10:55:54pm

re: #446 Green Helmet Guy

And don't forget who built the Arabs all their infrastructure or where all their energy comes from or where they work. Also lets not for get the Arabs who have Israeli IDs get welfare and other financial bonuses.

and lets not forget weapons.

448 MiamiGuy  Tue, Dec 2, 2008 7:04:05am

Debka.com is reporting that the Chabad House hostages were tortured so fiercely that it shocked even those used to seeing victims and dead bodies.

[Link: www.debka.com...]


Jews murdered in Mumbai's Chabad House were tortured first

December 2, 2008, 1:24 PM (GMT+02:00)
Murdered Israeli victims carried home

Murdered Israeli victims carried home

Mumbai hospital doctors were horrified by the condition of the six Israeli bodies recovered from the smashed, blood-spattered rooms of Chabad Center Monday. Local and Israeli pathologists confirmed they were tortured by their Islamist terrorist captors before being bound together and killed in cold blood.

DEBKAfile adds: Israelis were the largest group of foreigners murdered by the Islamist terrorists. The single captured gunman confirmed they had been specifically targeted. The six bodies were flown home by an Israeli Air Force plane and are being laid to rest Tuesday in their home towns in state ceremonies.

Laid to rest Tuesday, Dec. 2 in state ceremonies in six Israeli towns are Norma Schwartzblatt-Rabinovitz, 50, from Mexico, who was due to immigrate to Israel and two of whose children already live there; the center's director Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, 29, and his wife Rivka, 26; Ms Yocheved Harpaz, 59, mother of four from Givatayim; Betzion Chroman, 28, father of three, who held dual US-Israeli citizenship, and Leibisch Teitelbaum, father of 8, an American from Brooklyn.

Israel's president and political leaders attended the eulogies for the dead at Kfar Chabad near Tel Aviv.

An Indian doctor, who conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself (the first day of the Islamist terrorist attack). It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again."

"Bombay has a long history of terror. I have seen bodies of riot victims, gang war and previous terror attacks like bomb blasts. But this was entirely different. It was shocking and disturbing," a doctor said.

Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatized. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said.

At the Mumbai synagogue, members of the Jewish community, Israeli diplomats and visitors gathered Monday for a memorial for Rabbi Gavriel Holtzman and his wife Rivka, directors of the Chabad Center which provided a home from home for Israelis and Jews visiting India. Their two-year old son, rescued by his Indian nanny, cried for his parents. The nanny traveled to Israeli with the child and his grandparents.

449 archer50  Tue, Dec 2, 2008 6:59:21pm

I watched a few minutes and when the photog got to the "And I stood here and took this picture" moment at the train door, all I could think of was

"Y'know, not for nuthin' pal (as my ex NYPD co-worker used to say), if that dumba** had a gun instead of a camera, he'd could have dropped a couple of lead "time to take a dirt nap" pills on their butts.

But then again, lets walk around with the guy and let him show you how he took pictures of two murderers killing men, women and children.

Great.

Can you imagine those two idiots trying that stuff here? I mean, especially in a "right to carry" state. The argument would be between about a dozen pistol wielding citizens, along with one or two rifle toting hunters who happened to be passing by, over who got the kill shot.

Once again I am reminded how lucky I am to live here instead of about 99.9% of the rest of the world.

Det RW/Fla


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