Hitler Youth on Steroids

How.Very.Sad.

I'm beginning to suspect that it's not really a Religion of Peace.

(And oldie but a goodie)

Makes our education system seem downright stellar, in comparison.

Who would have ever thought such a thing could go on right under the Pakistani governments nose... ?

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German racism again. How dare they talk about Islam like this.
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Seems that it's just a matter of time before this jihad reaches our shores again. Now, the "security team" that the Messiah has gathered about him really scares me!

Children learn the Koran by heart in Arabic, often without understanding a word. After all they speak Pashtun, not Arabic.

Well, how much do you need to understand beyond pulling a pin for Allah?

beefiftytoo

Death to the Infidel, coming soon to a population center near you, financed by your friendly Wahhabis!

After all they speak Pashtun, not Arabic.

Not according to the President-Elect!

We need more Arabic translators in Waziristan, ASAP!

So we acknowledge the problem and know where the problem lies... What do we do? Either way, it seems the options are not very palatable...

re: #11 Occasional Reader

Not according to the President-Elect!

We need more Arabic translators in Waziristan, ASAP!

Not to worry, once President BO invades Pakistan, we'll have them speaking English!

re: #7 Czarny_Smok

Seems that it's just a matter of time before this jihad reaches our shores again. Now, the "security team" that the Messiah has gathered about him really scares me!

There are Islamic schools here already all over the place! no need to wait.

re: #12 tfc3rid

So we acknowledge the problem and know where the problem lies... What do we do? Either way, it seems the options are not very palatable...

Well, according to our very warlike empty suit President infect, we invade!

There are more muslims living in India than living in Pakistan.

/uh oh

Interesting read.
Makes me wonder how many of those tsunami orphans ended up radicalized in such places.

re: #13 tfc3rid

Wait, I thought we were all (The One excepted of course) supposed to learn Spanish?

The Pakistani state is economically - and morally - bankrupt.

Didn't the Turks do something like this?

Except that he Turks brainwashed kidnapped or orphaned Christian kids. They became the dreaded janissaries.

The next American president seems to understand the reality of power relations in Pakistan.

Ummm, I'll believe it when I see it.

So if Obama actually does invade Pakistan, how long before the Left turns on him, or will this be a "good war"?

How much of this was going on under Musharraf, while he pretended to be our "ally"? Perhaps Obama is right. Pakistan might need some smart bomb enemas. But I'd rather just let India bulldoze these creeps.

re: #18 WitchDoctor

Wait, I thought we were all (The One excepted of course) supposed to learn Spanish?

No, we are supposed to know more than 1 language... Could be Russian...

"Anyone who doubts the existence of this death-machinery can visit the hundreds of schools just a few hours’ drive from Quetta, near Afghanistan’s border."

Somehow, I don't think a light-skinned blonde (OK, gray) who speaks "Americani", like me, would be welcome in these parts--except for the mandatory head-chopping.

Pakistan's got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy...
No easy answers, but I pray Pakistan's leaders will do the right thing before war breaks out between them and India.

This is the area 0bama said he'd attack. And now India's going to do the work Americans didn't to do.

Talk about outsourcing! I thought 0bama was going to protect American jobs.

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if Obama actually does invade Pakistan, how long before the Left turns on him, or will this be a "good war"?

It will turn out good because he'll probably 'catch' Bin Laden...

Pakistan is the most dangerous nation in the world. Worse than Saudi Arabia and Somalia

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if Obama actually does invade Pakistan, how long before the Left turns on him, or will this be a "good war"?

He didn't mean an invasion of American Troops, he meant an invasion of American tax dollars.

Naturally Obama will talk with the government in Islamabad. But the fact that he has emphasized military strength shows that he is soberly, if pessimistically, assessing the political power relations between the army and the Pakastani [sic] government.

Or, it means that he tried to sound tough by being in favor of whatever war was not actually being prosecuted, in time-honored "centrist" liberal tradition.

re: #28 tfc3rid

fat chance...

re: #28 tfc3rid

It will turn out good because he'll probably 'catch' Bin Laden...

Well, he would almost catch him several times, but his "advisors" wouldn't give the go ahead to the troops on the ground in time.

re: #29 winston06

Pakistan is the most dangerous nation in the world. Worse than Saudi Arabia and Somalia

One hell of a trifecta?

re: #29 winston06

Pakistan is the most dangerous nation in the world. Worse than Saudi Arabia and Somalia

Let's add Pakistan to Iran and maybe (for the time being) North Korea, as the Axis of Evil.

At the risk of being misunderstood:
"Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"

Any chance Obama approves Operation Linebacker 3?

re: #35 Nevergiveup

One hell of a trifecta?

Throw in Sudan and you have a fourfecta.

Pakistan is the edge of the Saudi sword.

Hugh Hewitt had plenty yesterday about Lashkar-e-Taiba, and how the Pakistani government has, at best, looked the other way.

So, you mean Bush didn't create terrorism? That's not what I read in the NYT...

If you ask "why" you get a series of accusations thrown at you ranging from "Islamophobe" to "Meddler".

We have had our collective heads so far up our collective asses on Pakistan. The whole notion of "don't crack down on Pakistan - you might radicalize them" is a parallel to the famous line in Mel Brook's Blazing Saddles "Don't shoot Mongo - you'll only make him angry."

It is as absurd.

But we can expect the same policy to be continued, but coupled with "unconditional" acceptance of the legitimacy of the ISI and their activities along with trying to "reach out" to the "people of the region."

I say "shoot Mongo."

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So if Obama actually does invade Pakistan, how long before the Left turns on him, or will this be a "good war"?

Silly Kragar, if a democrat POTUS does it of course it is good. //

re: #28 tfc3rid

It will turn out good because he'll probably 'catch' Bin Laden...

Personal opinion, Bin Laden is dead. There is no way a man, as connected to business and governments as he is, could keep this low of a profile for so long. No way.

If he tried to make any sort of contact with ANYONE in the last 7 years, we would find out about it. And we would have special ops all over him.

This guy is gone, and our government knows it. It's PR to keep his image alive. It works both for us and Islam to have this guy as a figurehead.

Compare the number of Mideast "peace negotiators" that have been appointed over the years from numerous countries, to the number of times any World leader has stated that all over the Muslim - AND NON MUSLIM-World there are schools brainwashing another generation of savage murderers.

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, he would almost catch him several times, but his "advisors" wouldn't give the go ahead to the troops on the ground in time.

Well, ou have to go through the legal channels on it first... Come on man, you can't just lob missiles without full legal protection...

Hey we could send our Big Three CEO's from Detroit there... they could teach the Imans, Mullahs and various other clerics a thing or two about motivation and inspiration.

re: #20 unreconstructed rebel

Didn't the Turks do something like this?

Except that he Turks brainwashed kidnapped or orphaned Christian kids. They became the dreaded janissaries.

It was called "devshirme", one child in three from the Christian portions of the Ottoman Empire.

It actually started falling apart pretty quickly, after Suleiman the Magnificent's death. Selim was a the start of their endless decline.

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Same here, which is why I had quotes around 'catch' Bin Laden...

Father of Mumbai gunman, Azam Amir Kasab, 'paid by terrorists to hand him over' - from the spin-off links ...

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

I don't know, Walter. Salafist Muslims make a really, public, big deal about "martyrdom." I don't think they could keep UBL's death quiet for long.

re: #39 Timbre

Throw in Sudan and you have a fourfecta.

Add some pie and you have the Axis of Weebl.

re: #16 experiencedtraveller

There are more muslims living in India than living in Pakistan.

/uh oh

And yet the terrorists had to recruit Muslims from Pakistan. I think it's obvious that India's Muslims are considerably less "militant" than the Pakistanis.

re: #54 harrylook

And yet the terrorists had to recruit Muslims from Pakistan. I think it's obvious that India's Muslims are considerably less "militant" than the Pakistanis.

I sure do hope you are right.

Pakistan's official lines are:
1. If Pakistan shuts down the relief groups fingered by Washington, it will risk a popular backlash.
2. Terrorist Islamist groups play an essential humanitarian role and will be monitored, but not shut down.
3. Islamic terrorist groups are faster and more organized than Pakistan's government and ruling army.
4. Pakistan's ruling army for years has backed the militant groups in Kashmir.
5. Islamic militants - mainly from the Jamiat-i-Islami party - have won goodwill for years in Kashmir with their charity work but have not been able to convert this into political power.
6. Non-militant Muslims can't seem to muster the capacity of the terrorist Islamists to aid such poor children.

Look, all we need to do is parachute a crack team of cultural sensitivity trainers from the Chicago public school system into these 'tribal' regions and viola, problem solved.

re: #51 yma o hyd

Father of Mumbai gunman, Azam Amir Kasab, 'paid by terrorists to hand him over' - from the spin-off links ...

I wonder how old the young man was when ''daddy'' sold him to the terrorists?

re: #57 Gordon Marock

Look, all we need to do is parachute a crack team of cultural sensitivity trainers from the Chicago public school system into these 'tribal' regions and viola, problem solved.

With that the name of "Gordon" at LGF is officially rehabilitated.

Nodrog, however, is forever preserved in self immolating ignominy.

re: #57 Gordon Marock

Look, all we need to do is parachute a crack team of cultural sensitivity trainers from the Chicago public school system into these 'tribal' regions and viola, problem solved.

Well, it would certainly improve the quality of education in Chicago.

re: #57 Gordon Marock

Look, all we need to do is parachute a crack team of cultural sensitivity trainers from the Chicago public school system into these 'tribal' regions and viola, problem solved.

And throw in a few "community organizers" for good measure. Come to think of it, I recall one who mentioned "invading" Pakistan...

re: #36 Golem Akbar
The Pakistani people are very emotional, identity-less and Islamicized and highly unstable mentally. The level of rage among some Pakistanis is seriously dangerous.

re: #57 Gordon Marock

Look, all we need to do is parachute a crack team of cultural sensitivity trainers from the Chicago public school system into these 'tribal' regions and viola, problem solved.

Not to worry. This is where The One's experience as a community coordinator comes to the fore.

re: #57 Gordon Marock

Look, all we need to do is parachute a crack team of cultural sensitivity trainers from the Chicago public school system into these 'tribal' regions and viola, problem solved.

I understand Ayers and his wife are available.

re: #54 harrylook

I think it's obvious that India's Muslims are considerably less "militant" than the Pakistanis.

I don't know if "less militant" is the right phrase. I would say, "better behaved". This stems from the fact that, traditionally, large scale Muslim/Hindu violence in India nearly always ends with far more Muslim casualties. Lose enough lopsided battles and a light eventually goes off, even in a Muslim.

In any conflict with Muslims, anything less than an utterly humiliating and absolute defeat of them will result in their celebration of victory, no matter how pyrrhic. This is the lesson that Israel has evidently forgotten. It will lead to their own demise if they don't start crushing Muslim skulls when they're given a good reason to.

as we go merrily abt. our lives, doing what free people do, they are transforming children into killing machines and preparing to unleash them.
based on this article, these kids see nothing of the world they are conditioned to hate and inspired to destroy for allah.
and those who have created them would love to turn them loose on us everywhere.
this is a sick and dangerous society.
we need more honest reporting abt. what is really going on in islam.
no more p.c. platitudes and euphemisms.

MAYBE IT'S HIGH TIME TO HOLD THE CLERICS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ISLAMIC TERRORISM.

My advice to the Indian Nation. GO THE WAR. Start by visiting each mosque in India and running the Clerics or Imams out of your country.

Somebody please explain to me why Pakistan is so economically unsuccessful compared to the Western World, China and India. It must be the Jew's. Right?

Islam ask yourself this question. Why are you so far behind if you have the superior religion. The answer?

You don't have the superior religion or culture. You are an inferior being. It is you, Islam, who are the descendent's of Pigs and Apes.

The United States better stop letting muslims into their country or they will taste of bitter pill of islamic terrorism.

BAN THE KORAN.

It all comes from the Islamic system.

It starts with the Islamic requirement to pay "zakat", usually (falsely) translated as "charity to the poor".

A Muslim's zakat obligation is 2.5% of wealth. If you have a million dollars in assets, your yearly assessment is $25K. This is a respectable chunk of change for wealthy Muslims.

Who is eligible to receive zakat? NOT just the poor. The imams, the collectors of zakat, and Muslims engaging in jihad are all eligible to receive zakat payments.

The bottom line is that Jihad is an integral part of Islam, and is explicitly supported by the Islamic financial system. Wealthy Muslims MUST support radical Islamic schools turning out Jihad fighters.

Pakistan practically created the Taliban. The Saudis probably had a hand in funding it. This probably happened with a wink and a nod from our intelligence agencies. And for a while, (while the Soviets occupied Afghanistan) they were a useful bunch of idiots.

Unfortunately, nobody gave much thought to what would happen after the Soviets left. A bunch of wide eyed religious nuts in a far-away land, with loads of weapons --what could possibly go wrong?

This is how we incubate cults. This is what happens when cults run unchecked. And this particular cult practically had their weapons handed to them on a silver platter. We helped create this monster too. And everyone hoped it would somehow evaporate and go away after the deed was done.

Well, WWII didn't abate the Soviet leadership's desire for empire; and clearly the end of occupation didn't somehow tame these guys either.

So, what do we do? I suspect that Pakistan is afraid of this monster because they know it will turn on them. There is probably more than just a bunch of Taliban sympathizers in the ISI. There is also the knowledge that they're not ready to defend themselves against this threat. This cult has been allowed to spread to such a degree that Pakistan probably risks civil war if they take extensive action against this festering problem.

The solution? I don't know. I'm not sure how the West can support Pakistan without risking India's rightful concerns over the security of their borders. The Pakistani nukes are no laughing matter either.

Once again, the West has to be the bad guy. We're probably going to have to attack these resources in Pakistan "without permission" so that the Pakistani regime can somehow stay in control of their nukes. It will be interesting to see if the Obama Presidency has the guts to do this.

Whether he acts upon this or not, he's going to make GWB look good. This is one problem I do not think diplomacy will be able to fix.

-- and a US invasion under President Obama can't be ruled out.

Interesting... they throw out that option so...nonchalantly. (Kinda like "Let get the American's to take care of it for us, (Now that they have a good president)"

Somehow I see Obama and the Democrats growing up really quickly. (Maybe they will be more honest about calling Pakistan on their duplicity).

One of my pizza delivery guys is from Pakistan. When I ordered a pizza yesterday, we talked about this a bit. He is a sharp cookie and a good guy, and you can pretty much count on that being the case with most immigrants. We are incredibly lucky to receive the cream of the crop from other countries, imho.

Anyway, he pretty much said what the article said, in an abbreviated form. He was really frustrated by the old country, let me tell you. The absolute key, he said (and I agree) is education.

Nah, it's probably just a convenience-store training school.

re: #60 jwpaine

And BINGO was his name!

If only these poor kids would choose to be Islamic scholars after mastering such a magnificent task as rote memorization of the Koran. Instead of becoming martyrs, they could have all completed their studies and held doctorates in Islamic Studies. We need more of the latter, as the contributions to the world from the existing scholars is such a grand and enlightening example for all the universe. If only the Jews didn't thwart the advancement of these students and their true calling from Allah.

/Average Arab talk show captured by Memri.

re: #74 mfarmer1

If only these poor kids would choose to be Islamic scholars after mastering such a magnificent task as rote memorization of the Koran. Instead of becoming martyrs, they could have all completed their studies and held doctorates in Islamic Studies. We need more of the latter, as the contributions to the world from the existing scholars is such a grand and enlightening example for all the universe. If only the Jews didn't thwart the advancement of these students and their true calling from Allah.

/Average Arab talk show captured by Memri.

Is he admitting that most ''Islamic scholars'' are merely rote memorizers of a book they don't understand?
And what about all those girls at the Red Mosque last year?
THEY thought they understood the Koran well enough to be dressing up as Muttuwa, (religious police) kidnapping and beating Chinese women on the streets of Pakistan for wearing those skin-tight silk sleeveless knee-length dresses.
I guess they missed the part about religious policemen being a 100% man-only job.

I was wondering how much in foreign aid the United States sends to pakistan and this is what I found:

". . . . Pakistan received 643 million dollars in economic assistance and 299 million dollars in military assistance in 2006."

Almost a billion dollars to keep their nukes "safe." What does pakistan do with this money? I have no confidence in our government officials to effectively oversee this foreign aid. Why does our military not have more access to taliban hiding in pakistan?

A good book to read that offers insight into the myriad of security organizations inside Pakistan is "Who Killed Daniel Pearl" by Bernard-Henri Levy. Pakistan tops my list of most fouled up places on earth.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Follow the money.

... back to our friends, the Saudis.

These are camps... did you go to camp when you were a kid?

And we in America have the Boy Scouts, a clearly para military organization ... preparing the youth...

But preparing for what exactly?

/moonbat channel off

re: #29 winston06

Pakistan is the most dangerous nation in the world. Worse than Saudi Arabia and Somalia

You forgot China and Iran.

I work with a couple of guys from Pakistan. They're Punjabi.

Both of them came to this country to get AWAY from all this crap. They don't want their kids anywhere near it.

Robert Kagan had an article at Real Clear Politics today that said we may need to internationalize the cleaning out of the Paki tribal areas. Pakistan does not control the territory, and admits it does not. Kagan says that Pakistan can't claim sovereignty over territory that they do not control.

The world can no longer afford "tribal areas" in the 21st century. We are going to have to go in there and drag these people kicking and screaming into the 21st century whether they like it or not.

re: #49 Dianna

It was called "devshirme", one child in three from the Christian portions of the Ottoman Empire.

It actually started falling apart pretty quickly, after Suleiman the Magnificent's death. Selim was a the start of their endless decline.

If a Dhimmi family could not pay the Jizya for a given year, the Muslims could take their first-born Son instead. They often became Jannisaries.

re: #56 mean Gene

Pakistan's official lines are:
1. If Pakistan shuts down the relief groups fingered by Washington, it will risk a popular backlash.
2. Terrorist Islamist groups play an essential humanitarian role and will be monitored, but not shut down.
3. Islamic terrorist groups are faster and more organized than Pakistan's government and ruling army.
4. Pakistan's ruling army for years has backed the militant groups in Kashmir.
5. Islamic militants - mainly from the Jamiat-i-Islami party - have won goodwill for years in Kashmir with their charity work but have not been able to convert this into political power.
6. Non-militant Muslims can't seem to muster the capacity of the terrorist Islamists to aid such poor children.

7. We can no more disavow these terrorists than we can disavow our Mothers.
8. Holy Writ requires more of the same. Citing chapter and verse. (correctly, if cherry-picking verses is allowed. Somehow, it always is.)
9. What are you gonna do? Huh? Huh?

re: #85 lostlakehiker

7. We can no more disavow these terrorists than we can disavow our Mothers.
8. Holy Writ requires more of the same. Citing chapter and verse. (correctly, if cherry-picking verses is allowed. Somehow, it always is.)
9. What are you gonna do? Huh? Huh?

Say hello to my friend Mr. Reaper, followed shortly thereafter by Mr. BLU-84, followed up by Mr. W-80. They can be your new friends!

(Coming soon to your neighborhood, don'cha know...)

JAFLW

What is unmentioned is that this same phenomenon occurs in the Gaza Strip and West Bank... yet is given a free pass by nearly all of the western media.

Sorry, I can't hear you. I currently have my head buried in the sand. So sorry!

Children learn the Koran by heart in Arabic, often without understanding a word.

Isn't this almost exactly the same as President-Elect Obama's experience in Indonesia?

I'm all for teaming up with India and heading into pakistan. It has become what Afganistan was in the 90's in regards to training camps etc. Any chance Nobama will carry through on this campaign promise?

You would only hope that at some point in time (hopefully before a few million people die) sanity will enter into all of this. Just like in...When...Uh oh.