So why are so many prominent Western media reluctant to call the perpetrators terrorists?

Fear

If you can't name the enemy, it really gets hard to defeat them.

Charles, you are so insensitive...
(yes: /////)

Hell, the NYT does not even acknowledge the terrorists were Muslims.

re: #1 Shug

Fear

With an unhealthy side order of suicidal multiculturalism.

Answer: Because then our new president and the rest of the peace loving hippie freak leaders out there would actually have to grow a pair, tell the radical muslims where they can go, get their hands dirty and kick some jihadi ass back to the stone age.

re: #1 Shug

Fear

Exactly. They're spineless, and are terrified of speaking up. Instead, they'll let Western Civilization go down the toilet.

I hate watching history reruns.

Meanwhile -- perhaps even more disgracefully -- a New York Times report on the last day of the siege stated: "It is not known if the Jewish center was strategically chosen, or if it was an accidental hostage scene."

Yes, and those accidental hostages were later accidentally tortured and shot. Could happen to anyone, really.

/

It'll be interesting to see how the Indian press terms this. My guess is that the "T" word will be all over their media and the western press will have some real problems with that. We in the west have very short memories.

You can't call them terrorists. That would be mean and then they wouldn't like us.

/...is the sarc tag really necessary?

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Yes, and those accidental hostages were later accidentally tortured and shot. Could happen to anyone, really.

/

And, the terrorists STAYED there before to scope it out.

But now even conservative media may be doing it too.

Is there such a thing?

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Yes, and those accidental hostages were later accidentally tortured and shot. Could happen to anyone, really.

/

Would he be singing the same tune if I accidentally kicked him in the groin with my size 11 steel toed boots?

Just another way that the media can dumb down the masses. Kinda like schools nowadays.

re: #6 Jetpilot1101

Answer: Because then our new president and the rest of the peace loving hippie freak leaders out there would actually have to grow a pair, tell the radical muslims where they can go, get their hands dirty and kick some jihadi ass back to the stone age.

You silver-tongued devil, you!

re: #10 Golem Akbar

It'll be interesting to see how the Indian press terms this. My guess is that the "T" word will be all over their media and the western press will have some real problems with that. We in the west have very short memories.

No. It's the MFM that have short memories, and their short memories are deliberately so.

re: #17 MandyManners

No. It's the MFM that have short memories, and their short memories are deliberately so.

MFM? whodat?

re: #17 MandyManners

I take it the last M is "media", but is the MF before it what I think it is?

re: #15 MrSilverDragon

Just another way that the media can dumb down the masses. Kinda like schools nowadays.

GALLOPING GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

The media chooses its words carefully. They have meanings. And by avoiding the use of the word terrorism (or Islamic terrorists as is all too often the case), the identities of those involved to say nothing of the ideological reason behind the attacks gets obscured.

Islamic terrorists were behind the Mumbai attacks. They killed in the name of Islam and sought to sow terror in the hears of Mumbai residents. They intended to kill thousands, but while the toll is still too many to bear, they killed around 200. They purposefully sought out to kill Jews, Americans, and Brits, but didn't mind murdering anyone who stood in their way.

It's what they do.

re: #18 Golem Akbar

MFM? whodat?

Sharmuta is onto it in No. 19.

re: #14 Jetpilot1101

Would he be singing the same tune if I accidentally kicked him in the groin with my size 11 steel toed boots?

We don't know if you deliberately targeted his groin, or if it was just an accident.

Gonna be an interesting 4 years, if not pleasant or prosperous.

It's out of fear. Fear that their journalist would be targeted, fear that they would loose their sources, fear that they would have to revise everything they have been saying for years if they suddenly had to recognize publicly what is really happening.

They have "reported" themselves into a corner, and they have no way out.

re: #20 MandyManners

GALLOPING GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

I don't know what that means, but it sounds really good so...upding!

re: #22 MandyManners

Lady- you crack me up.

The reason you don't call it terrorism is such a label would require the new leader of the free world to address the problem.

Obama is the golden child - to be both revered and protected.

The "free" world has gone on holiday.

CAIR would like to take this opportunity to warn all of you random victims of stray bullets and stray shrapnel not to commit any sort of retaliation

and they condemn all acts of violence directed at non Jews everywhere

re: #24 maddogg

Gonna be an interesting 4 years, if not pleasant or prosperous.

That old Chinese proverb is coming back to haunt us: "may you live in interesting times"

Caroline Glick on the same topic

The jihadists in Mumbai, like their counterparts from Gaza to Baghdad to Guantanamo Bay, have been defended, and their acts and motivations have been explained away, by their allies and loyal apologists: Western multiculturalists. Multiculturalism is a quasi-religion predicated on both moral relativism and a basic belief in the inherent avarice of the West - particularly of the US and Israel. Multiculturalists assert that Westerners - or, in the case of India, Hindus - are to blame for all acts of violence carried out against them by non-Westerners. IN THE case of the Mumbai massacres, the jihadists' multicultural defenders began justifying their actions while they were still in the midst of their torture and murder spree. In Newsweek, Fareed Zakaria hinted that Indian Hindus had it coming.

....

Once the jig was up on their attempts to hide the identities of the perpetrators and their victims alike, the jihadists' multicultural enablers started blaming the victims. For instance, on Sunday, The Los Angeles Times published an op-ed by University of Chicago law professor Martha Nussbaum attacking Indian Hindus. After blithely dismissing the atrocities that were still under way while she wrote as "probably funded from outside India, in connection with the ongoing conflict over Kashmir," Nussbaum focused her ire against India's Hindus. Recalling the gruesome and apparently state-sanctioned violence against Muslims in India's Gujarat state in 2002, Nussbaum cast the jihadists as nothing more than victims of a Hindu terror state which has been victimizing Muslims for no reason since the 1930s.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #24 maddogg

Gonna be an interesting 4 years, if not pleasant or prosperous.

I fear you are right.

re: #1 Shug

Fear

Actually, I think there's more to it than that. Certainly fear, combined with civilizational self-loathing, combined with a weird "professional ethic" of refusing to "judge". That latter point of course only applies to those who are exotic and "other", not to the likes of evil American conservatives.

Why call them terrorists?
That is too incomplete a definition.
Call them blood thirsty, murdererous, woman beating and pedophiles who pretend to be religous people.

Dennis Miller said some time ago it may well take a democrat president to do something nasty aganst terrorists to bring congress, media etc on board to fight the war on terro -- that only a dem could get away with doing what really needs to be done to fight a winning war against them.

I do not think the o is the one to do this, but I'm afraid he had a point.

re: #26 Ford_Prefect

I don't know what that means, but it sounds really good so...upding!

Atonio Gramsci.

Again.

Although he was a Marxist, his methods can be used to advance other ideologies.

Also, the way they invert the adjective "radical" in regards to Islam. In reality, a radical Muslim would promote peace.

re: #33 Occasional Reader

Actually, I think there's more to it than that. Certainly fear, combined with civilizational self-loathing, combined with a weird "professional ethic" of refusing to "judge". That latter point of course only applies to those who are exotic and "other", not to the likes of evil American conservatives.

The peculiar mental sickness of the West.

First rule of a fight: Identify your enemy. And the Media doesnt even want to do that.

re: #35 TaeJohnDo

Dennis Miller said some time ago it may well take a democrat president to do something nasty aganst terrorists to bring congress, media etc on board to fight the war on terro -- that only a dem could get away with doing what really needs to be done to fight a winning war against them.

I do not think the o is the one to do this, but I'm afraid he had a point.

I am all for giving the ONE a chance to do the right thing.

Just a slap on the terror-wrist.

Even the Investor's Business Daily Editorial Board has taken to calling them all ''nihilists.''
Sad.

And yes, it could happen here. Very much so. There are likely plans afoot right at this moment.

Those of you with CCW and training, I would urge you to carry for these next few months, at least. You may be needed.

It's not so much that the media is "burying its head in the sand," it's more disturbing than that; they are deliberately misleading and redirecting facts, reports, eye witness accounts and even the testimony of a terrorist.

I've been surprised to hear the word "terrorists" on CNN. I thought they had stopped using the word....

in a similar light : why do artists have the bollocks to paint piss christ and virgin mary in Dung but never a painting or sketch of Mohammed ( even a painting that is flattering to him )?

hint:
ask Theo Van Gogh

re: #42 mean Gene

Even the Investor's Business Daily Editorial Board has taken to calling them all ''nihilists.''
Sad.

No "even" about it... IBD has been practically the only clearheaded newspaper on this subject.

re: #32 Golem Akbar

I fear you are right.

I've heard a variation on the saying -
"May your grandchildren live in interesting times."

Yep. They've created a narrative, and they need to stick with it. Can't deviate from their established "progressive" memes.

re: #25 Walter L. Newton

It's out of fear. Fear that their journalist would be targeted, fear that they would loose their sources, fear that they would have to revise everything they have been saying for years if they suddenly had to recognize publicly what is really happening.

They have "reported" themselves into a corner, and they have no way out.

Silence!

I keel you!

re: #45 harrylook

I've been surprised to hear the word "terrorists" on CNN. I thought they had stopped using the word....

They started using the word again after election day.
/

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

First rule of a fight: Identify your enemy. And the Media doesnt even want to do that.

Well then they'd have to admit we are in a fight on not just on the receiving end of just retribution.

It would be interesting to see how the MSM would report on an attack, occupation and series of killings in the newsroom of the NYTimes or WaPo. I suspect that the tone would change.

Of course they would have video of various conservative folks passing in ammunition.

re: #36 MandyManners

Atonio Gramsci.

Again.

Although he was a Marxist, his methods can be used to advance other ideologies.

Owww oww owww. Now my head hurts. :-(

The Christian Science Monitor is another PC bunch whose worst word is "militant".

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

Just a slap on the terror-wrist.

Oh, you!

So, I wonder why there are call centers in India and not Pakistan? Could Islam have something to do with that? Ya think?

re: #40 Golem Akbar

I am all for giving the ONE a chance to do the right thing.

Yep. If for no other reason than that we have no other choice.

They say that great men are not born that way, but have greatness thrust upon them. I mean this sincerely; may Obama prove to be a great man.

re: #51 Walter L. Newton

They started using the word again after election day.
/

No need to use the sarc tag. With a dem in charge, they can say terroist -- if the dem in charge says terrorist. Miller's point.

re: #42 mean Gene

Even the Investor's Business Daily Editorial Board has taken to calling them all ''nihilists.''
Sad.

The west, and especially the US, is tired of the WOT. We are really a peace-loving, dollar-making, people. I understand how Obama got elected, on the hope for peace. I just think it's unrealistic, at this time, to expect it. Maybe Obama will do the right thing, as he now has the information needed to make the same kinds of decisions as does Bush.

Unfortunately, I believe this to be true :(

re: #37 mich-again

Also, the way they invert the adjective "radical" in regards to Islam. In reality, a radical Muslim would promote peace.

What would C*gnit* say?

So why are so many prominent Western media reluctant to call the perpetrators terrorists?

Why would the Fifth Column want to denigrate it's military?

re: #46 Shug

in a similar light : why do artists have the bollocks to paint piss christ and virgin mary in Dung but never a painting or sketch of Mohammed ( even a painting that is flattering to him )?

hint:
ask Theo Van Gogh

Right. Speaking Truth to power, that overused slogan, is appropriate in Van Gogh's case.

Back in the hey-day of the media monolith (post WWII), when there was no credible alternative source of news and information, before the day when the internet is readily available to people, this mis-labeling was ignored. The ideology was just as pervasive as is now, but there was no other source.

Then, as now, the MSM doesn't report the news but editorializes opinions.

How long will it be before the media stops calling pirates pirates, and instead calls 'em Fremen warriors? /

re: #1 Shug

so sad and so true

According to Ted Rall and Noam Chompsky we are the terrorists.

/Ooooooh deep thought man........

re: #53 anti-looter

It would be interesting to see how the MSM would report on an attack, occupation and series of killings in the newsroom of the NYTimes or WaPo. I suspect that the tone would change.

Of course they would have video of various conservative folks passing in ammunition .

eggzactly

re: #59 TaeJohnDo

No need to use the sarc tag. With a dem in charge, they can say terroist -- if the dem in charge says terrorist. Miller's point.

(I have to reuse this from my post on the overnight open thread. Shameless self-promotion, but I thought this was clever)

re: #1282 DisturbedEma "By Jove I think you've got it!"

The reign of Hussein lays mainly on the change.

re: #62 Sharmuta

What would C*gnit* say?

Don't give a rat's ass.

Death cultists, mass murderers, serial killers, barbarians, psychopaths and Khomeiniists. They could use those descriptions if they don't like the word terrorists.

re: #48 Son of the Black Dog

I've heard a variation on the saying -
"May your grandchildren live in interesting times."

Also, I've heard that "Interesting Times" refers to a particularly bad period (war, famine, plague, etc.) in Chinese history, but I can't quickly find a reference.

re: #66 lawhawk

How long will it be before the media stops calling pirates pirates, and instead calls 'em Fremen warriors?

"Activist sailors."

Media = Quislings

re: #58 Occasional Reader

Yep. If for no other reason than that we have no other choice.

They say that great men are not born that way, but have greatness thrust upon them. I mean this sincerely; may Obama prove to be a great man.

For Obama to be considered to have a successful presidency by most on this list, he will have to rise very high indeed. But if he wages a full no shit war against terrorism, using every trick in the book -- diplomacy, bribes, the full might of the US Military, I'll give him a passing score.

re: #66 lawhawk

Or privateers

re: #71 FurryOldGuyJeans

Don't give a rat's ass.

I stuck that in my favorites- for whenever I should need a laugh.

While the Mumbai monsters were torturing and murdering helpless innocent people, they also took time from their busy schedule to rip apart a Torah scroll.

Keep that in mind the next time the media mentions a Koran being disrespected.

The best way to fight this sort of thing is by adjusting our collective consciousness, of course. Oh, and enemas, we have to all get enemas.

/ChopraThink

re: #62 Sharmuta

What would C*gnit* say?

Hi Sunshine. Did Cog get the boot again? I haven't seen him in a few days.

(Oh, and I hope you don't mind the "Sunshine," but your avatar combined with your lively name just makes me feel so "sunny" every time I see your posts)

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

First rule of a fight: Identify your enemy. And the Media doesnt even want to do that.

Expanding on that, they buy the idea that "dehumanization" creates the context for war, so they seek to not portray monsters and monsters, despite their monstrous acts. In fact, they go as far as to describe the acts clinically - as if they aren't monstrous.

They are at the point that "one step further" would consist of describing victims as people who bled to death or died of lead poisoning.

In one sense, I am surprised to read that the Chabad victims were "tortured". Then again, being Jews they were already "dehumanized" by the media.

re: #66 lawhawk

Here in Pittsburgh, the word "pirate" strikes fear in exactly 0 people:) Do you think that most of the MSM still has to consciously avoid certain terminology, or has the latest generation been so schooled as to not even have the so-called "offensive" vocabulary enter into their stream of conscious while writing?

The mainstream media's reluctance to call them terrorists seems to be working. Sunday morning at church, we were going through prayer concerns and had brought up those in India. A woman said, "And do I understand that these people who attacked them were Muslims?
"Duh, " thought I.

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

Barbary Pirates more like.

Jefferson would be ashamed of how weak America has become.

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

That or "boat operators".

Swashbucklers for truth

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

Disadvantaged maritime entrepreneurs

excellent article, at least some journalists seem to take notice; here is another one from todays' NY POST by Abraham Cooper and Harold Brackman.

Aquatic Organizers.

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

Maritime anarchists.

re: #2 Nevergiveup

If you can't name the enemy, it really gets hard to defeat them.

The MSM can name the enemy, they just willfully choose not to do so.

And apropos of the topic, sort of:

National Review Editors: Obama's national security/foreign policy team doesn't suck nearly as much as we had feared.

re: #68 experiencedtraveller

According to Ted Rall and Noam Chompsky we are the terrorists.

...because the US military kills their soldiers. The people "we" call terrorists.

Why should we care what motivates the Fifth Column if it enables evil to kill us? It should be enough to kick the shit out of them that they do.

Maritime community organizers

Jihadists are anything but "nihilists". They believe so strongly and completely in their supposed "divine" mission, that they are willing and glad to kill themselves in the process. They do have great faith in Allah, and are willing to put that faith into practice while "moderate" Muslims (another target of the Jihadists) just sit back and watch.

re: #42 mean Gene

Even the Investor's Business Daily Editorial Board has taken to calling them all ''nihilists.''
Sad.

Anybody think Mumbai increases the chances of a actual shooting war between India/Pakistan? They have gone to war about 3 times since partition (4 if you include the brief but serious skirmish about a decade ago when pakistan moved troops onto some heights claimed by India) . The past wars were conventional (thank god) . but now that both have nukes, this can get real ugly real fast. At the very least, since there has been some saber-rattling by both nations since the end of the attack and the associated movement of troops to the border. does anybody think whoever planned this did it in the hope that Pakistan would shift troops from the tribal areas to the border? Which is exactly what pakistan has done. with less troops in the tribal areas, that gives AQ and thier buddies some breathing room

re: #66 lawhawk

How long will it be before the media stops calling pirates pirates, and instead calls 'em Fremen warriors? /

I've mentioned this before, but I heard somebody on my local moonbat radio station giving "big props" to the pirates.

re: #62 Sharmuta

What would C*gnit* say?

101 Ways to Excuse the MFM.

re: #99 MandyManners

101 Ways to Excuse the MFM.

His forthcoming book!

re: #70 Walter L. Newton

The reign of Hussein lays mainly on the change.

Very good!

(And I am afraid reality is going to rain on his parade.)

re: #79 Alouette

While the Mumbai monsters were torturing and murdering helpless innocent people, they also took time from their busy schedule to rip apart a Torah scroll.

Keep that in mind the next time the media mentions a Koran being disrespected.

So you're about to go out and riot and burn cars, right?

Waddya mean "no"?!

re: #95 Shug

Maritime community organizers

Oceanic Entrepreneurs.

re: #85 Racer X

Barbary Pirates more like.

Jefferson would be ashamed of how weak America has become.

Not that I expect it, but Obama has the opportunity to become the new Jefferson. He hasn't taken office, yet, and anything could happen. He could do the right thing. In a few days we'll know if the US made a mistake, or got it right.

re: #94 Sol Roth

...because the US military kills their soldiers. The people "we" call terrorists.

What used to be called "making the other bastards die for their country."

re: #87 Shug

Very seriously, how long before a "major" U.S. periodical runs a front page sympathy piece on the root causes (read "it's somehow amazingly your fault) of African piracy?
I'll wager three months, sooner if a tourist ship is taken.

re: #90 maddogg

Aquatic Organizers.

HA!

So why are so many prominent Western media reluctant to call the perpetrators terrorists?

Because of their mental disability to see right from wrong, that everyone is the same, and from this springs moral equivalency. So, if they see one group being labeled, they are compelled to find counter examples, no matter how rare to prove to themselves that their beliefs are sound. Like economic socialism, this moral socialism pulls all to the same lowest common denominator, that we are are all equally evil.

Disenfranchised deckhands?

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

Non-traditional maritime traders.

OT - a little weather from the front range of Colorado.

Yesterday it was in the 30's and last night we had wind gusts in the 60-70's. Power went out in my apartment unit because the wind knocked something out last night. Today, we will have temps at almost 70. Now the winds have started up again and by tonight, it will be in the 20's and snowing. Snow showers through Thursday. Colorado weather, you got to love it (or leave it).

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #76 TaeJohnDo

Obama can wage war without the stigma of "a white person attacking the third world". Also he has Muslim background; he will escape the "Crusader" charge from many quarters. And, the media will give him a pass because he has that "D".

We may be surprised.

re: #96 Pyrocles

They will cut off your Johnson!

re: #1 Shug

Fear Cowardice

fixed that for ya!

/semantics, i know, but still....... %-)

re: #80 Occasional Reader

The best way to fight this sort of thing is by adjusting our collective consciousness, of course. Oh, and enemas, we have to all get enemas.

/ChopraThink

Poo Hoo! Now that is what I call a pain in the ass!

Talk about raining on a parade!

re: #85 Racer X

Barbary Pirates more like.

Jefferson would be ashamed of how weak America has become.

It's political correctness on steroids.

We are being told to be ashamed of what was built by our forefathers. We are being told that what was built is wrong and that we should not try to continue their legacy.

Stop the world. I want to get off.

The Water Borne Disadvantaged.

re: #68 experiencedtraveller

According to Ted Rall and Noam Chompsky we are the terrorists.

/Ooooooh deep thought man........

And Deepak Chopra, don't forget him.

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

ex-Wall Street executives.

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

You remind me of "Banquet Beer."

re: #85 Racer X

Barbary Pirates more like.

Jefferson would be ashamed of how weak America has become.

You'd think that one, single carrier strike group could put an end to this phenomenon over the course of a weekend.

Humpty-Dumpty sat on the fence,
Humpty-Dumpty thought he could not fall,
Humpty-Dumpty had not a care at all,

Then all the imams terror trained children took fine bead,
and with Ak-47 did down off the wall shoot every Humpty-Dumpty
and all who they did lie to about it all.

msm lies, its what they are,

broken they will be shot in the back by the ones they now protect with lies

re: #99 MandyManners

101 Ways to Excuse the MFM.

The very reason why I would prefer to get an opinion on things from a flatulent Great Dane than him.

re: #84 redstateredneck

{redstate}
Did you smack your forehead and shake your head when she asked that?

re: #100 Sharmuta

His forthcoming book!

hopefully with lots of pictures for him and his fans to color.....

The left secretly adore Michael Moore and have latched onto his tiny privates (in a back room in the dark).

There is no terrorism. Remember?

Terrorism cannot exist when the dominate left-wing media have an agenda to push.

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

OT - a little weather from the front range of Colorado.

Yesterday it was in the 30's and last night we had wind gusts in the 60-70's. Power went out in my apartment unit because the wind knocked something out last night. Today, we will have temps at almost 70. Now the winds have started up again and by tonight, it will be in the 20's and snowing. Snow showers through Thursday. Colorado weather, you got to love it (or leave it).

Walter in Golden, Co.

But it's a dry kind of cold, right?
;-)

re: #120 Bumr50

You remind me of "Banquet Beer."

WHAT? Explanation please. Should I be worried?

re: #105 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What used to be called "making the other bastards die for their country."

Hatespeech! Call the ACLU! Racistbigotedislamophobicrethuglican!

/

re: #112 Ojoe

Obama can wage war without the stigma of "a white person attacking the third world". Also he has Muslim background; he will escape the "Crusader" charge from many quarters. And, the media will give him a pass because he has that "D".

We may be surprised.

& he will prolly do it with a reconstituted draft.

/wait 'til my Obama-voting young friends get their minds around that one.

re: #124 Texas Heathen

{redstate}
Did you smack your forehead and shake your head when she asked that?

I did some serious eye-rollin'.

The MSM, having bought into the multicultural concept that all cultures being relatively equal, cannot allow itself to use any terms which may actually convey a value judgement. To give an action or person a value-ladened term which could be described as "evil" would mean "evil" exists and to do so shatters their preconceived notion of multicultural "relativity." So in order to preserve their cherished concept of "multiculturalism" they tie themselves in knots to avoid admitting there "evil" in the world. The west has seen this before with the willful ignorance of the evils of Facism, Nazism, and Communism.

re: #97 chicagodudewhotrades

does anybody think whoever planned this did it in the hope that Pakistan would shift troops from the tribal areas to the border? Which is exactly what pakistan has done. with less troops in the tribal areas, that gives AQ and thier buddies some breathing room

Bingo!

re: #93 Occasional Reader

And apropos of the topic, sort of:

National Review Editors: Obama's national security/foreign policy team doesn't suck nearly as much as we had feared.

One should remember that Obama's foreign policy team resembles Bush's present team. Those of us here have not been all that thrilled with the policy or results ( outside of the surge ) the last few years. The Bush Foreign policy of the early years, the old "your with us or gainst us" is no more. So?

re: #110 Occasional Reader

Non-traditional maritime traders.

Aarg!tists.

re: #20 MandyManners

GALLOPING GRAMSCIAN WHORES OF THE CALIPHATE!

I come in late, and find the battle cry has been given!
My day is made, Mandy.

re: #108 Max Darkside

Because of their mental disability to see right from wrong, that everyone is the same, and from this springs moral equivalency. So, if they see one group being labeled, they are compelled to find counter examples, no matter how rare to prove to themselves that their beliefs are sound. Like economic socialism, this moral socialism pulls all to the same lowest common denominator, that we are are all equally evil.

Wow, that's good. Never thought of it that way.

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

I don't mind the nic name, Walter.

re: #112 Ojoe

Obama can wage war without the stigma of "a white person attacking the third world". Also he has Muslim background; he will escape the "Crusader" charge from many quarters. And, the media will give him a pass because he has that "D".

We may be surprised.

Let's hope and pray.
(last weekend I heard a lefty talk show host blasting Obama for appointing the centrist-Hillary).

No one cuts off my (Charles) Johnson. A day without LGF is like a day without, well, air!

re: #113 Bumr50

They will cut off your Johnson!

So why are so many prominent Western media reluctant to call the perpetrators terrorists?

The jihadist-multicultural alliance

re: #97 chicagodudewhotrades

Anybody think Mumbai increases the chances of a actual shooting war between India/Pakistan? They have gone to war about 3 times since partition (4 if you include the brief but serious skirmish about a decade ago when pakistan moved troops onto some heights claimed by India) . The past wars were conventional (thank god) . but now that both have nukes, this can get real ugly real fast. At the very least, since there has been some saber-rattling by both nations since the end of the attack and the associated movement of troops to the border. does anybody think whoever planned this did it in the hope that Pakistan would shift troops from the tribal areas to the border? Which is exactly what pakistan has done. with less troops in the tribal areas, that gives AQ and thier buddies some breathing room

I'll put money on India. After having lived in Pakistan for a few years, and visiting Idia several times, I would say that Pakistan's ability to make their nuclear weapon systems function appropriately is almost nil. India has top notch technicians and soldiers. Pakistan is another parasitic Islamic piss hole.

re: #105 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What used to be called "making the other bastards die for their country."

Which is the only sure way to "end a war". You do it often enough and eventually the other side quits.

A very simple concept that seems to be completely beyond the comprehension of modern "liberals".

re: #110 Occasional Reader

Non-traditional maritime traders.

Bay Traders.

re: #130 unreconstructed rebel

IMHO we will see things like this and more;

Eventually the West will win; Islam will not be eliminated without a big fight and in the big picture it does not stand a chance.

BTW - Ted Rall has figured everything out for us again.

We are killing brides in Afghanistan and paying of Somali pirates all to protect George Bush.

Oh - and we employ psychotic people to join our Special Forces.

I feel so enlightened now.

Can't wait for his commentary on the Mumbai attacks mass bleedings!

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

Banquet Beer.

Banquet Beer.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

You'd think that one, single carrier strike group could put an end to this phenomenon over the course of a weekend.

I'm thinking we need bait. An oil tanker with about 20 Navy Seals aboard. And lots and lots of weapons. As soon as the pirates show up - BLAMMO!

Next.

re: #132 rexatosis

The MFM can express a values judgment; when it denigrates the very civilization and country that was able to create the technology they exploit to sow their seeds of sedition, treason, and corruption.

The real pirates are the US Navy.

/

re: #132 rexatosis

The MSM, having bought into the multicultural concept that all cultures being relatively equal, cannot allow itself to use any terms which may actually convey a value judgement. To give an action or person a value-ladened term which could be described as "evil" would mean "evil" exists and to do so shatters their preconceived notion of multicultural "relativity." So in order to preserve their cherished concept of "multiculturalism" they tie themselves in knots to avoid admitting there "evil" in the world. The west has seen this before with the willful ignorance of the evils of Facism, Nazism, and Communism.

The effects of Gramsci.

re: #117 maddogg

The Water Borne Disadvantaged.

See- that's where I think that will go. How long until these aren't pirates, but instead sympathetic figures driven by hard poverty to take on a ruthless job so they can feed their ten kids at home. *sniff*

/It's coming. You heard it here first.

Along the same lines: Caroline Glick on the Jihadi-Multiculturalist alliance.

In the aftermath of the Mumbai massacres, it is hard to imagine that there is anything as pernicious as the jihadists who sought out and murdered non-Muslims with such cruelty. But there is. Their multicultural apologists, who enable them to continue to kill by preventing their victims from fighting back, are just as evil.

RTWT

re: #150 Occasional Reader

The real pirates are the US Navy.

/

Then why don't I get payed better?

But now even conservative media may be doing it too.

Maybe that's connected to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud's large voting stake in News Corp (Fox News, Wall Street Journal)

re: #146 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - Ted Rall has figured everything out for us again.

We are killing brides in Afghanistan and paying of Somali pirates all to protect George Bush.

Oh - and we employ psychotic people to join our Special Forces.

I feel so enlightened now.

Can't wait for his commentary on the Mumbai attacks mass bleedings!

Shit scraps Ted Rall off its shoes.

re: #147 Bumr50

Banquet Beer.

Banquet Beer.

Oh heavens. Even when I was a professional drinker, I wouldn't touch that stuff. You insult me, my good man!
/

re: #137 Sol Roth

Wow, that's good. Never thought of it that way.

Thank you. Go ding me up... I'm suffering from KDS ("Karma Deficiency Syndrome")

re: #147 Bumr50

Banquet Beer.

Banquet Beer.

That was worth it just to be carded.

re: #146 karmic_inquisitor

Oh - and we employ psychotic people to join our Special Forces.

I would gladly sponsor Rall to give that speech at a nice little place I know in Fayetteville, NC.

re: #153 Joo-LiZ

What does RTWT mean?

re: #109 redstateredneck

Disenfranchised deckhands?

disenfranchised deck WORKERS.

C'mon people. Workers!

( and boy is that word used continuously in the MSM especially when they talk AROUND labor issues )

gaaah!

re: #97 chicagodudewhotrades

Anybody think Mumbai increases the chances of a actual shooting war between India/Pakistan? They have gone to war about 3 times since partition (4 if you include the brief but serious skirmish about a decade ago when pakistan moved troops onto some heights claimed by India) . The past wars were conventional (thank god) . but now that both have nukes, this can get real ugly real fast. At the very least, since there has been some saber-rattling by both nations since the end of the attack and the associated movement of troops to the border. does anybody think whoever planned this did it in the hope that Pakistan would shift troops from the tribal areas to the border? Which is exactly what pakistan has done. with less troops in the tribal areas, that gives AQ and thier buddies some breathing room

I think that is part of the plan. An actual shooting war between India and Pakistan would be the answer to their dreams.

re: #154 Nevergiveup

Seize the booty!

Its a water planet.
Rule the water, you rule all.
Rule not all the water, you do not rule at all.

Go Navy.

re: #154 Nevergiveup

Then why don't I get payed better?

Tell your captain to shake your booty.

re: #164 Bumr50

Seize the booty!

Keep yer hands off my booty.

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

What does RTWT mean?

Oh come on Buzz. You should be able to knock out a whole song parody over those four letters.

re: #164 Bumr50

Seize the booty!

Swab the poop deck!

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

What does RTWT mean?

Read The Whole Thing

re: #168 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on Buzz. You should be able to knock out a whole song parody over those four letters.

Maybe--but I have to know what they stand for first.

The media / liberals have no problem identifying enemies. Look at how they treat anyone on the right. It's a question of their basic values....conservatism represents the enemy while everything else just needs to be understood....
Truly a mental disorder.

re: #157 Walter L. Newton

Sorry. When I drank, sadly, I was not so choosy. But if there were options, I didn't drink it either.

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

What does RTWT mean?

Read The Whole... oh, you know.

/irony, see

re: #170 Joo-LiZ

Read The Whole Thing

Thank you. I usually do.

All this pirate talk and no Loflyer.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

You'd think that one, single carrier strike group Burke class destroyer could put an end to this phenomenon over the course of a weekend.

No need to engage in overkill.

Lunch. Hungry. Must eat to survive.

re: #166 Occasional Reader

Tell your captain to shake your booty.

Well unlike Tom Cruise, There is no Female Captain in my unit yet. Actually no female superior yet either.

re: #135 TaeJohnDo

Aarg!tists.

Heh.
Is Loflyer in the room?

BTW, your avatar is great!

re: #172 LGoPs

It's easy when humility is relative and arrogance is "a stifling construct."

You know, lives will be lost to these murderers, who would kill you for the buttons on your shirt, and a simgle .50 bmg mounted on the stern of the ship would prevent it all. Cheap insurance if you ask me. But self defense goes against the grain of the brain dead left.

re: #98 Who Watches the Watchmen?

You should find out when the dicklick leaves work. Meet him in the parking lot, and liberate his wallet. And his clothes. See how he enjoys being on the receiving end.

Talk Like a Somali Pirate Day: Allahu AkbAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!

re: #178 Occasional Reader

Lunch. Hungry. Must eat to survive.

Absolutist.

re: #179 Nevergiveup

Plenty of Female Captains out here in civvy-land!

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey

Talk Like a Somali Pirate Day: Allahu AkbAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!

brilliant.

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey

Where was Sinbad from? Not the unfunny one.

re: #173 Bumr50

Sorry. When I drank, sadly, I was not so choosy. But if there were options, I didn't drink it either.

First off, I wasn't being mean or anything, just funnin'.

But, I know what you meant. My sole goal was to drink as cheap and as strong as I could and still wake up sober in the morning. So, a 6 pack of Mickey's and two pints of Southern was my evening snack. Every evening, for almost 20 years.

re: #74 Charles

"Activist sailors."

Undocumented seafarers.

This failure to call something for what it really is went from mildly irritating to throwing stuff at the telly infuriating this week. Maybe it's because there are so many Indian graduate students at Oxford, all of them wonderful ambassadors for their country, quite apart from being super bright and interesting to boot. One guy in my staircase is from Mumbai, and he lost his sister in this carnage (at the railway station).

'Gunman' in particular doesn't cut it. My brother is a 'gunman' when he's at the range. At various points in my life I've been a 'gunwoman'. If the media do have some overarching narrative that excludes the use of the word 'terrorist', then we need to start calling them on it. It really is downright disrespectful of the people that have been killed, otherwise.

re: #188 Bumr50

Basra

re: #188 Bumr50

Where was Sinbad from? Not the unfunny one.

Basra, I think.

re: #190 lawhawk

Undocumented seafarers.

Allahnauts!

re: #186 Bumr50

Plenty of Female Captains out here in civvy-land!

Well I live with an Admiral? Sometimes goes by the title of wife?

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Good morning. How's the (cough cough) "retail" thing going (yesterday, body parts). I'm surprised to see you on your feet today.

*grin*

Water vessel rights activists

re: #155 ontheleftcoast

But now even conservative media may be doing it too.

Maybe that's connected to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud's large voting stake in News Corp (Fox News, Wall Street Journal)

FNC ain't conservative, never has been; they only appeared conservative in contrast to the Uber-Left of the rest of the MFM.

The WSJ has always been more interested in what the markets in NY are doing than what is happening in the rest of the world, unless it impinges upon our markets. Easier to see terrorist attacks as isolated incidents so as to better hide the vulnerabilities of the Western economies than confront the truth that there is a cultural economic war being waged that has been waged for centuries now.

re: #155 ontheleftcoast

But now even conservative media may be doing it too.

Maybe that's connected to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud's large voting stake in News Corp (Fox News, Wall Street Journal)

I saw him interviewed over the weekend by Maria Bartiromo and it was priceless. He was sitting and behind him were two camels and a black horse. He seemed to be near the stables or something. I was riveted. ( hoping for camelish misbehvior, I must admit)
He was discussing Citicorp and poor management. His opinion was that under new management the only way from here is up.

re: #158 Max Darkside

Thank you. Go ding me up... I'm suffering from KDS ("Karma Deficiency Syndrome")

Electronic Karma Slavery: worship the button that feeds your ego.

re: #177 CIA Reject

Actually this seems like the type of job the new LCS was built for

re: #150 Occasional Reader

The real pirates are the US Navy.

/

According to this Bollywood "actor", you're not far from the mark. Also note that he's wearing that shirt the day the attacks in Mumbai began.

I noticed the whole lack-of-talking-about-the-chabad-house thing as it was happening.

Although, on CNN, I thought I heard one of the anchor's mention quickly between talk of the two hotels that there was a "media blackout" surrounding the Israeli-hostage situation at the "jewish house", and they would bring more info as soon as they could.

Could that explain anything? And what exactly would that mean?

Saltwater Socialists (Redistribute the booty!)

re: #184 buzzsawmonkey

Allahu AkbAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!

*rimshot*

re: #188 Bumr50

Where was Sinbad from? Not the unfunny one.

That's it! We need to unleash terrifying Claymation figures against the Somali pirates.

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

So, a 6 pack of Mickey's and two pints of Southern was my evening snack. Every evening, for almost 20 years.

Yikes!

I will repeat my mantra until I am blue in the face. The media is the enemy and it must be destroyed.

re: #118 Walter L. Newton

And Deepak Chopra, don't forget him.

He's apparently blaming the Mumbai attacks on us already. All those enemas must be affecting his brain.

Okay, NOW lunch.

re: #202 lawhawk

According to this Bollywood "actor", you're not far from the mark. Also note that he's wearing that shirt the day the attacks in Mumbai began.

Maybe he should be shipped to Waziristan.

re: #196 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good morning. How's the (cough cough) "retail" thing going (yesterday, body parts). I'm surprised to see you on your feet today.

*grin*

The tripod thing has its other advantages, plus the palace staff here in Kragaristan helped.

re: #210 Occasional Reader

Okay, NOW lunch.

You're gonna' eat with women who don't shave their legs?

re: #183 Iron Fist

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

Ouch. I haven't touched anything for about 18 months now, and I think my body is finally starting to thank me after 14 years of abuse.
Glad to hear you're doing well!:)

re: #200 Sol Roth

Electronic Karma Slavery: worship the button that feeds your ego.

Charles has created a bunch of Pavlovian lizards, hasn't he!

re: #190 lawhawk

Undocumented seafarers.

"Maritime youths" which can quickly morph into "Somali Sea Scouts"...

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

He's apparently blaming the Mumbai attacks on us already. All those enemas must be affecting his brain.

but... but... but...

happy thoughts make happy molecules! how can the mind behind such brilliant philosophies direct any blame for such an atrocity ANYWHERE?

re: #114 redc1c4

fixed that for ya!

/semantics, i know, but still....... %-)

much better. I agree.

All Heros have fear but they show bravery.
Cowards have fear and run

re: #183 Iron Fist

Sorry:| I wasn't replying to you. My bad. Mouse error.

re: #43 Occasional Reader

By chance, just got back from a five day defensive handgun and CCW course. Serendipity?

re: #217 Joo-LiZ

but... but... but...

happy thoughts make happy molecules! how can the mind behind such brilliant philosophies direct any blame for such an atrocity ANYWHERE?

/ as if it is needed.

it is astounding to see the these ridiculous fools go thru such absurd contortions to cover for MOSLEM terrorists.
"practitioners", is almost laughable if it wasn't such a pathetic dereliction of duty.

he called these torturer/killers fcking "practitioners"
and they must be laughing their asses off wondering how they will be referred to next. "advocates" "organizers" "coordinators" "adjustors"
there's a few possibilities for the hyper p.c. cowards who just want to make it nice for the barbarians.
assholes.

re: #212 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The tripod thing has its other advantages, plus the palace staff here in Kragaristan helped.

LOL

re: #218 Shug

much better. I agree.

All Heros have fear but they show bravery.
Cowards have fear and run

"Cowards die many times before their death. The valiant never taste of death but once."

--I forget who

re: #213 MandyManners

You're gonna' eat with women who don't shave their legs?

I would. But then I am rather biased in that respect. ;)

re: #213 MandyManners

You're gonna' eat with women who don't shave their legs?

She said it kept her warmer...what?
/

re: #204 Ford_Prefect

(Redistribute the booty!)

I've been spending hours in the gym trying to redistribute my booty.

re: #222 nyc redneck

it is astounding to see the these ridiculous fools go thru such absurd contortions to cover for MOSLEM terrorists.
"practitioners", is almost laughable if it wasn't such a pathetic dereliction of duty.

he called these torturer/killers fcking "practitioners"
and they must be laughing their asses off wondering how they will be referred to next. "advocates" "organizers" "coordinators" "adjustors"
there's a few possibilities for the hyper p.c. cowards who just want to make it nice for the barbarians.
assholes.

Obamanations? Community Organizers?

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

He's apparently blaming the Mumbai attacks on us already. All those enemas must be affecting his brain.

That's what happens when you have sh*t for brains.

re: #177 CIA Reject

Overkill is fun. It keeps the jihadis on their toes, and contributes to the local economy. Like paying taxes, overkill is the new Patriotism.

re: #219 Bumr50

Sorry:| I wasn't replying to you. My bad. Mouse error.

Mickey Malfunction?

re: #208 NYCHardhat

I will repeat my mantra until I am blue in the face. The media is the enemy and it must be destroyed.

I think that says it right there.

re: #201 bulwrk

Cool! Are these currently in service?

re: #227 redstateredneck

I've been spending hours in the gym trying to redistribute my booty.

Gives new meaning to being (a) "Bunny".

if it hasn't been said:

I propose we call them
FTC
Fucking Terrorist Cowards

Did everyone catch the whiney ass that got caught and then cried like a little girl?

Free-lance Buccaneers?

re: #182 maddogg

You can get a semi-auto M-2 complete with everything you need to knock big holes in little boats for under ten grand. Sounds like a wise investment to me.

re: #233 CIA Reject

LCS Freedom is doing its shakedown cruise.

re: #217 Joo-LiZ

but... but... but...

happy thoughts make happy molecules! how can the mind behind such brilliant philosophies direct any blame for such an atrocity ANYWHERE?

Chopra is fond of the Enema Path to Enlightenment as well.

Yes, he likes waterbooty.

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

He's apparently blaming the Mumbai attacks on us already. All those enemas must be affecting his brain.

Yes and the revolt of 1857 was because of Clay's Compromise?

It is said that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for "good" people to stand by and do nothing.

The journalists who minimize and make excuses for the monsters who perpetrated these attacks are doing their best to make sure that others stand by and do nothing. To them I have one thing to say:

Next time, I hope it is you. Next time I hope it is your family. Next time I hope it's your children.

re: #235 Eowyn2

Did everyone catch the whiney ass that got caught and then cried like a little girl?

They ALL cry like little girls when caught.

re: #50 Racer X

Silence!

I keel you!

Stop touching my a$$!

I just had a great idea! The thought of going on a cruise makes my EEG flatline. I mean, really, I would die from boredom.

However, if someone were to offer a cruise where you go round the horn of Africa, and everybody gets a scoped rifle, and you get to shoot at pirates......well, I could warm up to that.

Meanwhile, the show is on to help democrats save the UAW. with our money.

re: #235 Eowyn2

if it hasn't been said:

I propose we call them
FTC
Fucking Terrorist Cowards

Did everyone catch the whiney ass that got caught and then cried like a little girl?

He lost his coke buzz.

re: #235 Eowyn2

if it hasn't been said:

I propose we call them
FTC
Fucking Terrorist Cowards

Did everyone catch the whiney ass that got caught and then cried like a little girl?

The MFM covering for the FTC.

re: #148 Racer X

I'm thinking we need bait. An oil tanker with about 20 Navy Seals aboard. And lots and lots of weapons. As soon as the pirates show up - BLAMMO!

Next.

We could rename them Code Sink

re: #200 Sol Roth

Electronic Karma Slavery: worship the button that feeds your ego.

When Cheeta push button, no banana come out. You good. When you push button Cheeta get banana.

re: #235 Eowyn2

Did everyone catch the whiney ass that got caught and then cried like a little girl?

He trains like a jihadi
Yes, he does, and
He kills just like a jihadi, yes, and
He tortures like a jihadi
But he cries for mercy like a little girl.

--with apologies to Bob Dylan

re: #230 Iron Fist

Overkill is fun. It keeps the jihadis on their toes, and contributes to the local economy. Like paying taxes, overkill is the new Patriotism.

Can's say as I disagree with ya, but you know- The Economy, budget cuts, and all the rest...

re: #247 MandyManners

The MFM covering for the FTC.

YES

re: #236 Golem Akbar

Free-lance Buccaneers?

I think "privateers" has a good shot of being the term the media will go with- it gives them an opportunity to tie "private" into greedy, eeeeeeeeevil capitalism.

That or maybe Sea Desperados- so they can paint them as desperate, sympathetic figures driven to piracy because of neo-colonialism.

re: #232 father_of_10

I'm still taken aback by the number of Republicans that still watch NBC as though it were a viable news organization.
I meet them all the time, and am literally speechless because I don't really know how to enlighten them without revealing my true, unhinged self.
I should work on a compilation of NBC-specific bias to e-mail, and send some links to be explored as an option.

re: #253 Sharmuta

I think "privateers" has a good shot of being the term the media will go with- it gives them an opportunity to tie "private" into greedy, eeeeeeeeevil capitalism.

That or maybe Sea Desperados- so they can paint them as desperate, sympathetic figures driven to piracy because of neo-colonialism.

Freedom of the Seas Fighters?

I remember meeting someone who worked for the World Bank shortly after 9/11. What was remarkable was how totally confused she was. She could not get her head around the fact that these people the bank wanted so desperately to help hated everything the bank stood for.

To quote John Grisham, some folks "just need killin'."

re: #230 Iron Fist

Overkill is fun. It keeps the jihadis on their toes, and contributes to the local economy. Like paying taxes, overkill is the new Patriotism.

Like this snippet from a Gulf War press conference:

Snarky Reporter: "Isn't that like killing flies with a sledge hammer?"

Gen. Tom Kelly: "Personally I think that's a great way to kill flies..."

RIP General...

re: #189 Walter L. Newton