Let the "Punning" begin...not

*Dashing to the new thread to avoid the pun line in the last one.

Let the beguine begin.

So, am I the only one who keeps tearing up when he sees the photos of poor little Moshe Holtzberg? When I see this sort of thing, all I can hope is that the beasts who do these things die in agony. And then weep again.

re: #2 Ford_Prefect

*Dashing to the new thread to avoid the pun line in the last one.

Let's keep it constructive.

well, it *is* an o-pun thread...

/white smoke

re: #5 Peacekeeper

Let's keep it constructive.

are we still tooling?

re: #4 Guanxi88

So, am I the only one who keeps tearing up when he sees the photos of poor little Moshe Holtzberg? When I see this sort of thing, all I can hope is that the beasts who do these things die in agony. And then weep again.

Ok, what makes you think that you are the only one who feels something for this child and what he went through?

re: #7 2by2

are we still tooling?

What is this, Harbor Freight?

re: #5 Peacekeeper

Let's keep it constructive.

Yeah, 'constructive' is worth building on...

re: #5 Peacekeeper

Let's keep it constructive.

all we need are a few more studs

There's a Fox reporter inside a GM plant. The banner says that the plant is looking to break even or turn a profit by 2011.
It looks like they're using the Toyota FIT model and are building cars to order.
Better late than never, I guess.

Is it too early for this to become a boob thread?

Puns? PUNS? AHHH!

¡ooʇ pɐǝɹɥʇ sıɥʇ uo sʞɹoʍ ʇı 'ʎǝɥ

re: #11 redc1c4

all we need are a few more studs

You called?

/

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

Ok, what makes you think that you are the only one who feels something for this child and what he went through?

No, not that at all. Just seems that this particular case has struck me so damned hard. Maybe being a parent, I don't know, but the pathos of the thing is almost more than I can bear, and yet I keep going back to it.

re: #13 Ford_Prefect

2nd - the boob thread proposal

re: #3 Walter L. Newton

Let the beguine begin.

(I useta' do a pretty good Eleanor.)

re: #19 MandyManners

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

(I useta' do a pretty good Eleanor.)

So did Franklin.

re: #4 Guanxi88

So, am I the only one who keeps tearing up when he sees the photos of poor little Moshe Holtzberg? When I see this sort of thing, all I can hope is that the beasts who do these things die in agony. And then weep again.

No, he looks like my 18 year old did as a baby- it is chilling to think about what he may have seen

Out of personal curiousity, does anyone else have a Obama-bobblehead toy on any of their sites?

re: #16 Oh no...Sand People!

You called?

/

yeah, stand 16" off to my side...

/that's 2 %-)

This would work cool with sɯɐɹƃıqɯɐ.

re: #4 Guanxi88

So, am I the only one who keeps tearing up when he sees the photos of poor little Moshe Holtzberg? When I see this sort of thing, all I can hope is that the beasts who do these things die in agony. And then weep again.

Had my sons birthday earlier today, turned 5. Things like that bothered me, but now, with my own children, it hits home on a whole new level.

re: #12 Bumr50

There's a Fox reporter inside a GM plant. The banner says that the plant is looking to break even or turn a profit by 2011.
It looks like they're using the Toyota FIT model and are building cars to order.
Better late than never, I guess.

But, are they building Toyota-like cars? or more of the same?

re: #22 LilyGecko

An Obama gadget game-type thing, I mean.

D*mn open threads. Just when I think I'm out, I get sucked right back in.

re: #18 Desert Dog

Yes! but the ladies will think it's udderly ridiculous!

re: #18 Desert Dog

2nd - the boob thread proposal

tit's as good an idea as any... the puns were just lumbering along.

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

¡ooʇ pɐǝɹɥʇ sıɥʇ uo sʞɹoʍ ʇı 'ʎǝɥ

great,,, now I have to stand on my head to read Walters! Like his posts are difficult enough to figure out !

re: #29 rightside

Yes! but the ladies will think it's udderly ridiculous!

So I at the store today I grabbed these giant watermelons...
/

re: #28 father_of_10

D*mn open threads. Just when I think I'm out, I get sucked right back in.

Resistence is futile.

re: #32 Oh no...Sand People!

Been to a good Hooters lately?

*groan*
re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

re: #32 Oh no...Sand People!

So I at the store today I grabbed these giant watermelons...
/

never grab the giant watermelons: you can't elope with them.

/white smoke

re: #32 Oh no...Sand People!

So I at the store today I grabbed these giant watermelons...
/

Did she slap you ?

re: #17 Guanxi88

No, not that at all. Just seems that this particular case has struck me so damned hard. Maybe being a parent, I don't know, but the pathos of the thing is almost more than I can bear, and yet I keep going back to it.

As a mom, I guess it is not just his orphan status, but his life from now on- he will hear how people will downplay, or worse, his greatest tragedy, he will have a lifetime of remembering, or trying to remember his parents z"l, and as a mom, I think of Rivkah, his mom- and his dad, and how much retrospection they had time for, and what it felt like to not be able to protect your child-
Horrible all the way around

re: #33 scottishbuzzsaw

Resistence is futile.

Resilience in nubile.

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

I guess some people think the tool puns were not up to the usual caliper.

just keep hammering them on the subject...

re: #32 Oh no...Sand People!

I crashed my happy car today, and the funbags deployed.

re: #32 Oh no...Sand People!

So I at the store today I grabbed these giant watermelons...
/

They were grown at the foot of the sacred Boob Mountains?

re: #26 Desert Dog

At the current labor rate, I honestly don't think product matters as much as some would lead me to believe.

re: #33 scottishbuzzsaw

Resistence is futile.

So is resistance...

re: #22 LilyGecko

Out of personal curiousity, does anyone else have a Obama-bobblehead toy on any of their sites?

I've seen the plates and the coins. . .

re: #43 Desert Dog

They were grown at the foot of the sacred Boob Mountains?

Grand Tetons. . .

re: #21 DisturbedEma

No, he looks like my 18 year old did as a baby- it is chilling to think about what he may have seen

It breaks the heart to know that these poor ones have to suffer so, and this because of the unfathomable evil of these worms. I'm filled, still with the rage I felt from the attacks, but the memorial service added a feeling of helpless sorrow to the mix.

re: #5 Peacekeeper

Let's keep it constructive.

Your argument should be placed on a solid footing.

re: #43 Desert Dog

They were grown at the foot of the sacred Boob Mountains?

Been there, done them!

re: #49 Spare O'Lake

Your argument should be placed on a solid footing.

well, if we keep digging...

re: #37 redc1c4

never grab the giant watermelons: you can't elope with them.

/white smoke

cantalope? Wow, ever heard of Vegas?

re: #51 redc1c4

well, if we keep digging...

I'm not gonna stand for that!

re: #25 Oh no...Sand People!

Had my sons birthday earlier today, turned 5. Things like that bothered me, but now, with my own children, it hits home on a whole new level.

It does. Little Hawk turned 8 on Sunday.

re: #4 Guanxi88

No. I can't stop welling up with tears. I'm freaking out about it.

Now, I must shuffle off.

re: #48 Guanxi88

It breaks the heart to know that these poor ones have to suffer so, and this because of the unfathomable evil of these worms. I'm filled, still with the rage I felt from the attacks, but the memorial service added a feeling of helpless sorrow to the mix.

And that cry for his mother! Oh, the terror she must have had, the torture she had to endure. . .

re: #25 Oh no...Sand People!

Had my sons birthday earlier today, turned 5. Things like that bothered me, but now, with my own children, it hits home on a whole new level.

Yes, maybe it's the parenthood thing. I think how my youngest is saddened to the point of tears when he can't find his stuffed bear, and simply cannot imagine the effect of what this poor boy witnessed.

re: #57 MandyManners

Now, I must shuffle off.

to your house of cards ?

RIGHT NOW:
Pipeline
6-10 ft. - head high + to double overhead with occasional 12 ft. and good-epic conditions.
Epic offshore conditions with solid waves rolling in today. Get on it early because some giant surf is on the way. For now waves are in the solid head high to overhead range with some easy double overhead sets. Winds have shifted out of the south making for epic smooth and glassy conditions.

re: #54 CyanSnowHawk

It does. Little Hawk turned 8 on Sunday.

My daughter Liora turned 7 Saturday.

re: #56 WriterMom

(((WM)))

re: #60 sattv4u2

to your house of cards ?

Deal breaker. . .

I personally would prefer discussing how we can all fight the evil, what we are going to do to fight the darkness. The Chabad call to action is for ACTION. It's the very least we can do.

re: #58 DisturbedEma

And that cry for his mother! Oh, the terror she must have had, the torture she had to endure. . .

That, and, for some reason, the basketball he held. Those two facts, taken together, were too much for me.

re: #54 CyanSnowHawk

It does. Little Hawk turned 8 on Sunday.

Sunday was a great day for a birthday. Mark Twain was born on Nov. 30th. And so was Ford_Prefect!

re: #64 DisturbedEma

Deal breaker. . .

you're such a joker. But I aced it !

Happy Lizard Birthday to me! One year ago today I finally got through and evolved from lurker status.

re: #59 Guanxi88

Yes, maybe it's the parenthood thing. I think how my youngest is saddened to the point of tears when he can't find his stuffed bear, and simply cannot imagine the effect of what this poor boy witnessed.

It's an 'empathy' thing overall IMHO. There are some things, that no matter how hard you may try to understand, unless you take part, such as being a parent, you will not understand. Kind of like describing the taste of salt to someone who hasn't ever tasted it.

re: #67 Ford_Prefect

Sunday was a great day for a birthday. Mark Twain was born on Nov. 30th. And so was Ford_Prefect!

Wow ,,, thats one terrific writer, and Samuel Clemens also!

re: #67 Ford_Prefect

Sunday was a great day for a birthday. Mark Twain was born on Nov. 30th. And so was Ford_Prefect!

Happy belated Birthday!

re: #56 WriterMom

No. I can't stop welling up with tears. I'm freaking out about it.

I am also completely saddened and horrified by what has happened to this beautiful child.
I can hardly stand to think about it.

Here's a link for those wanting to help out.

re: #63 MandyManners

Mandy-I just don't feel like myself. I keep having to take deep breaths and try to forget about it and then I see his face and I think about the Rabbi covering his wife with a tallis. I'm crying again. When I'm with my kids, tucking them in, smelling their soft skin after their baths it's even worse. You know, my family has Holocaust survival and Palestinian terror affecting us personally and yet this-I'm just trying to stay composed. I keep getting the talks from my Dad about not letting them defeat us but I'm just so sad. I keep walking away from my desk but I keep seeing little Moishe's face and I just want to scoop him up and take him to my house and love him like one of my own. I'm losing it...

re: #65 WriterMom

I personally would prefer discussing how we can all fight the evil, what we are going to do to fight the darkness. The Chabad call to action is for ACTION. It's the very least we can do.

Fine, so we take action. Then what? We all know this sort of thing will keep happening, and happening, and happening, and, in the end, everybody will stand around feeling vaguely sad about it, but nothing will change.

As I grow older, I begin to think my grandfather wasn't paranoid, and that we have more enemies than we can ever imagine, and it's only because we don't see them and don't let ourselves think about them that we're able to get through the day.

re: #57 MandyManners

Now, I must shuffle off.

going to Buffalo?

re: #72 scottishbuzzsaw

Happy belated Birthday!

Thank you. I still have Cold Stone Creamery ice cream cake in the freezer. Unfortunately Mrs_Prefect insists on sharing it.

re: #73 reine.de.tout

I am also completely saddened and horrified by what has happened to this beautiful child.
I can hardly stand to think about it.

Here's a link for those wanting to help out.

Speaking of links, I am not the greatest fan of Michael Savage, but I do notice at times on his site he is always taking donations for various families in crisis and is most consistent to do so. That speaks to this lizard.

re: #77 redc1c4

going to Buffalo?

She has been known to wing it!

In the breathless pursuit of appeasement, a new report calls for the US to directly engage in talks with Iran and for the US to encourage Palestinian unity.

Palestinians are already united. They want Israel wiped off the map and do not want a two-state solution. The difference between Hamas and Fatah is the timeframe for that goal.

Who was behind this half-baked pseduodiplomacy? The Saban Center, and includes comments by Richard N. Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Martin Indyk, director of the Saban Center.

re: #67 Ford_Prefect

Sunday was a great day for a birthday. Mark Twain was born on Nov. 30th. And so was Ford_Prefect!

Cool. Little Hawk almost missed the 30th. An emergency brought on a quick C-section.

Ace has some pictures or links to some pictures of the scene where his parents were killed ...horrific ...warning a pic of one of the terrorist murderers dead ...

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Obama's win helped me to realize how much I love this country -- I truly hope he is successful in governing -- and that he quickly learns the errors of socialism (hopefully not through trial and error). I am pulling for him, though with highly guarded expectations.

re: #78 Ford_Prefect

Thank you. I still have Cold Stone Creamery ice cream cake in the freezer. Unfortunately Mrs_Prefect insists on sharing it.

sharing what ,,, the cake ,,, or the freezer !?!?

re: #65 WriterMom

I personally would prefer discussing how we can all fight the evil, what we are going to do to fight the darkness. The Chabad call to action is for ACTION. It's the very least we can do.

Is there a memorial fund?

re: #86 Spare O'Lake

Is there a memorial fund?

Here

re: #65 WriterMom

I personally would prefer discussing how we can all fight the evil, what we are going to do to fight the darkness. The Chabad call to action is for ACTION. It's the very least we can do.

It is not out of the norm to actually call for a congressional committee to examine whether Islam can be considered a religion or a political theocracy.

Scientology has been challenged in a number of countries and legally banned. Jehovah's Witnesses have been banned legally in some countries.

In Scientology's case, it is because the organization is looked at as a multi-level marketing scheme and not a religion.

In the case of Jehovah's Witnesses, it is because of their refusal to support certain national activities (such as military service, swearing oaths, saluting a flag etc.).

So, it would not be impossible to consider looking at Islam in this country and making a legal decision as to it's status as a religion versus a political entity, a political entity with a desire to over take the governments of countries where it resides.

re: #67 Ford_Prefect

And Winston Churchill,but unfortunately Abbie Hoffman had too go screw it up for you.

re: #80 sattv4u2

She has been known to wing it!

well, she strikes me as being a saucy wench.

/usually with a 2x4 %-)

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz-yes. I also was reading about BeerSheva, and of course people commonly think of "seven", but it is actually a testimony to 'lehishaba'-to swear. So I swear-I won't let them defeat me. But it's hard.

re: #85 sattv4u2

sharing what ,,, the cake ,,, or the freezer !?!?

The cake!

*whack*

/(whacking rights reserved by MANDYMANNERS)

re: #79 Oh no...Sand People!

Speaking of links, I am not the greatest fan of Michael Savage, but I do notice at times on his site he is always taking donations for various families in crisis and is most consistent to do so. That speaks to this lizard.

Savage seems like a nut & I'm afraid that he comes by it honestly, but he whipped CAIR in court & that makes him OK!

re: #5 Peacekeeper

Let's keep it constructive.

You really nailed it.

re: #65 WriterMom

I personally would prefer discussing how we can all fight the evil, what we are going to do to fight the darkness. The Chabad call to action is for ACTION. It's the very least we can do.

Yes, totally.

My family was a direct beneficiary of the wonderful work of this group. Now, do not get all pissed off, but we had gone to some of the shuls in our area when we began to struggle when my dad lost his job- conservative and 2 reform. . .there was not a single open helping hand extended- one reform shul told us that in order to get help we should be members, otherwise, we should go to one of the mission groups for a daily meal.

We ended up at Chabad House, and for 3 months, they fed my family, all 8 of us, and asked for nothing in return save for help around the house and adherence of observance, which we did willingly and gladly. After my dad left the Corps, he was not able to make his way as well as he wanted- two tours in Vietnam took their toll- those at the Chabad House were mindful of his dignity, and also our struggle. They never judged us, and my life would have been so much different without their G-d sent love and concern.

Toward a Meaningful Life, by the Rebbe is one of the most life altering books I have ever read, and my resolve to help this group overcome this horrific crims and continue on is strong and my money is going right to them!

Since the Rebbe's death, I know there have been some internal conflicts. . .but that will never alter the acts of loving kindness that saved my family.

re: #65 WriterMom

I personally would prefer discussing how we can all fight the evil, what we are going to do to fight the darkness. The Chabad call to action is for ACTION. It's the very least we can do.

Chabad, at least here in New York is holding memorial services for the Holtzbergs and the other victims on Saturday Night on the Westside and tonight on the Eastside of Manhattan

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Thanks.

She seems to be rather hot to me.

re: #90 redc1c4

re: #65 WriterMom

I just read that Rivka Holtzberg was actually 5 months pregnant when she was murdered by those frelling Islamic terrorists.

Just got one of those building wide pop up email alerts (couple hundred in the building) with the subject: Please look for packages in your area.
If they wanted to know how many men and women are in the building why don't they just check the directory?

re: #81 lawhawk

In the breathless pursuit of appeasement, a new report calls for the US to directly engage in talks with Iran and for the US to encourage Palestinian unity.

Palestinians are already united. They want Israel wiped off the map and do not want a two-state solution. The difference between Hamas and Fatah is the timeframe for that goal.

Who was behind this half-baked pseduodiplomacy? The Saban Center, and includes comments by Richard N. Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Martin Indyk, director of the Saban Center.

There is much wisdom in the old adage: "Talk softly, but carry a big stick"

There is no wisdom in this new one: "Talk alot and don't even have a stick"

re: #89 bulwrk

And Winston Churchill,but unfortunately Abbie Hoffman had too go screw it up for you.

Abbie Hoffman? Who is she?

/

re: #76 Guanxi88

You're wrong that nothing will change.

There is no more Nazi Germany. There is no more Imperial Japan or Axis. We will still prevail.

By action-I don't mean country-to-country although that would be nice. I mean, doing good deeds, and taking personal responsibility to fight back the beast on every level we can.

re: #90 redc1c4

well, she strikes me as being a saucy wench.

/usually with a 2x4 %-)

No bones about it.

re: #95 DisturbedEma

Toward a Meaningful Life is one of my favourite books. I would recommend it to every person reading this thread. What a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing that.

re: #99 lawhawk

I just read that Rivka Holtzberg was actually 5 months pregnant when she was murdered by those frelling Islamic terrorists.

Just when I thought it couldn't be worse.

Trying to figure out why my "Up Your Alley Fair" report still gets a constant massive stream of visitors five months after I posted it, I discovered why: it's now the third result on Google for the fair -- and the first, not counting the two results for the fair's own official Web page. (Results 3-5 are also links to my report.)

I've really started to learn just how powerful top Google placement really is.

In other news, Gathering of Eagles has just gotten permits for a real Victory in Iraq Day rally on the mall in Washington D.C., on April 4th, 2009. Order your t-shirts early!

Anyone in the D.C. area, mark your calendars for April 4!

I've got good news and I've got bad news.

The Associated Press
Oil prices fell to a 3-year low below $48 a barrel Tuesday as more bleak U.S. economic news and plunging stock markets darkened investor expectations for energy demand.

re: #102 Ford_Prefect

Abbie Hoffman? Who is she?

/

Her married name was Abbie Normal (thank you Mel Brooks ,, Thank you Marty Feldman)

re: #84 mph

Obama's win helped me to realize how much I love this country -- I truly hope he is successful in governing -- and that he quickly learns the errors of socialism (hopefully not through trial and error). I am pulling for him, though with highly guarded expectations.

True to a point. My problem, however, is that Obama in particular - and the democrats in general - won by demagogueing serious issues with foolish solutions.

You are suggesting that they all will have an faked epiphany and govern as conservatives. I highly doubt it, but even if that does happen that means that they came to power by selling lies. Do we really want such skilled liars as elected officials?

re: #99 lawhawk

I know. That's partly why I have been pretty much disfuntional today. I wish I could fast forward myself a few months from now to a time where I won't be as haunted by this. Something that will never happen to that beautiful boy.

re: #21 DisturbedEma

No, he looks like my 18 year old did as a baby- it is chilling to think about what he may have seen

My grandson's 4th birthday was on Saturday--the same day little Moshe turned 2. He looks just like the 4-year old son of Benzion Kruman another victim of the Mumbai massacre.

A new study reports: Clean People are Less Judgmental.
Oh, goody.

re: #18 Desert Dog

2nd - the boob thread proposal

And fishing!

re: #111 WriterMom

I know. That's partly why I have been pretty much disfuntional today. I wish I could fast forward myself a few months from now to a time where I won't be as haunted by this. Something that will never happen to that beautiful boy.

If I were there right now, I would give you a big ol fatty hug! That helps quite a bit. :)

*squeeezes lizard*

re: #107 zombie

Here's how my results look:

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Nice work!

re: #75 WriterMom

Mandy-I just don't feel like myself. I keep having to take deep breaths and try to forget about it and then I see his face and I think about the Rabbi covering his wife with a tallis. I'm crying again. When I'm with my kids, tucking them in, smelling their soft skin after their baths it's even worse. You know, my family has Holocaust survival and Palestinian terror affecting us personally and yet this-I'm just trying to stay composed. I keep getting the talks from my Dad about not letting them defeat us but I'm just so sad. I keep walking away from my desk but I keep seeing little Moishe's face and I just want to scoop him up and take him to my house and love him like one of my own. I'm losing it...

Deep breaths, it is your humanity that causes such empathy, do not worry about losing it- it is what keeps you strong.

The tenderness shown in that situation, yes, those acts of tenderness that would not be silenced, cuts to the core of our humanity, and is our greatest strength and weakness.

I will not go one about tests of will and resolve, you know all of that, from the knee like me, I am sure. We have to kep doing what we are doing, only more so, and we have to mourn- to forget is to make the memory worthless, it will Happen Again, if we do not continue to fight for Never Again- and this is part of it- embracing these evil acts, remembering them and honoring those killed by remembering them, and by helping those in danger-

Allow yourself to grieve, to mourn, and when ready, take up the fight once again. . .

{WM}

Well, I know when I feel clean I feel better.

re: #113 wee fury

re: #113 wee fury

Unless your name is Harry Reid

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

I guess some people think the tool puns were not up to the usual caliper.

Our scribe has spoken.

re: #99 lawhawk

I just read that Rivka Holtzberg was actually 5 months pregnant when she was murdered by those frelling Islamic terrorists.

(self-deleted)!

re: #99 lawhawk

I just read that Rivka Holtzberg was actually 5 months pregnant when she was murdered by those frelling Islamic terrorists.

GOTTENYU!

Dayan emes. . .please!

re: #115 Racer X

And fishing!

I think I will be taking up fishing.

It’s the traditional midday open thread...

Major Jock Sinclair: Colonel, there's a tradition here...
Lt. Col. Basil Barrow: I'm all in favor of good tradition.

re: #110 DeafDog

So far, he appears to be Bill Clinton Jr. He might try to govern from the middle. The difference here is Clinton had a Republican congress to deal with (after 1994). Obama will be coming in with an almost veto-proof Senate and a nice majority in the House. If he so desires, he could pass through all sorts of garbage in his first two years. Maybe he is going to resist that and not listen to the foaming at the mouth psychos on his left. I hope he is actually concerned with the well being of the USA and not scoring points with the Looney Left.

re: #116 Oh no...Sand People!

If I were there right now, I would give you a big ol fatty hug! That helps quite a bit. :)

*squeeezes lizard*

Squeezes BOTH lizards!

re: #118 DisturbedEma

Thank you. Yes-I feel profound grief today. I will never forget this day-never forget the victims.

re: #113 wee fury

A new study reports: Clean People are Less Judgmental.
Oh, goody.

That's because they use sham poo. If they used real poo they would be more willing to raise a stink.

The song stuck in my head...
Lift Every Voice And Sing

re: #111 WriterMom

I know. That's partly why I have been pretty much disfuntional today. I wish I could fast forward myself a few months from now to a time where I won't be as haunted by this. Something that will never happen to that beautiful boy.

I have never known such evil. And I pray we never have to put up with it again.

{WriterMom}

re: #103 WriterMom

You're wrong that nothing will change.

There is no more Nazi Germany. There is no more Imperial Japan or Axis. We will still prevail.

By action-I don't mean country-to-country although that would be nice. I mean, doing good deeds, and taking personal responsibility to fight back the beast on every level we can.

Yes, part of grandfather's life was spent helping to blast those two off the map. And it was what he saw there that convinced him that this evil would be with us until the end.

Of course, we should be righteous, and strive to be what we were made to be - this would be true even if people did not seek our death. But people do seek our death - a lot of them, and they seek it very actively, indeed. Survival is our first priority - choose therefore life.

With all of this said, so we fight the beast at every level. In ourselves, a constant struggle; in others? I see no way, short of some sort of unimaginable blood-letting - again. Yes, I'm pessimistic, but not defeatist.

re: #129 WriterMom

Thank you. Yes-I feel profound grief today. I will never forget this day-never forget the victims.

That is the BEST way to start the huge task in of fighting this kind of evil. . .

Hey there, just a quick post then back to lurking. I found this published in the Lancaster PA Intelligencer Journal today, it was first published in the Arizona Daily Star on 11/29/2008/ I was amazed to see this, but am thinking that since there hasn't been any huge fatwas issued maybe the tide is turning.

Go check it out

re: #102 Ford_Prefect

Abbie Hoffman? Who is she?

/

Abbie Hoffman was a 60's activist, author of "Revolution For The Hell Of It" and "Steal This Book" and another good reason why that era should be wiped from the collective consciousness.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

The song stuck in my head...
Lift Every Voice And Sing

Cut that off real quick, that is the last song I want stuck in my head.

re: #130 TaeJohnDo

That's because they use sham poo. If they used real poo they would be more willing to raise a stink.

what a crappy thing to say...

/couldn't resist

re: #120 DeafDog

Unless your name is Harry Reid

Somebody should send a note to Harry Reid: "Don't worry about this story being reported, Sen. Reid. A recent poll shows that 48% of the voting public would prefer to get BO out of Washington, DC."

re: #138 A Kiwi Infidel

I heard it a week ago on the radio and it showed up in my dreams last night.

re: #83 JacksonTn

Ace has some pictures or links to some pictures of the scene where his parents were killed ...horrific ...warning a pic of one of the terrorist murderers dead ...

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

warning a pic of one of the terrorist murderers dead ...

He doesn't look like he suffered enough.

re: #4 Guanxi88

So, am I the only one who keeps tearing up when he sees the photos of poor little Moshe Holtzberg? When I see this sort of thing, all I can hope is that the beasts who do these things die in agony. And then weep again.

I tear up every time i see any of the photos but that little guy is beautiful.

Naturally, it would have made much better press had the ZAKA come out of the building holding the poor kid up for the cameras to show how evil the ROP is.

re: #126 A Kiwi Infidel

Here's my favorite...a bit more modest:

[Link: www.guzer.com...]

re: #137 USBeast

Abbie Hoffman was a 60's activist, author of "Revolution For The Hell Of It" and "Steal This Book" and another good reason why that era should be wiped from the collective consciousness.

Yes, I know. Note the sarc tag.

re: #100 bosforus

Just got one of those building wide pop up email alerts (couple hundred in the building) with the subject: Please look for packages in your area.
If they wanted to know how many men and women are in the building why don't they just check the directory?

My gf just got an email at her building regarding safety in transit to and from work. She works in Times Square...

re: #145 Eowyn2

/forgot the tag.
sorry

re: #145 Eowyn2

I tear up every time i see any of the photos but that little guy is beautiful.

Naturally, it would have made much better press had the ZAKA come out of the building holding the poor kid up for the cameras to show how evil the ROP is.

Jews do not put dead bodies on display for a photo-op.

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

How long have you been trying to find some comments that would segue into a reason to post that picture? In my humble opinion, that was stretching the point a bit.

Someone mentioned yesterday that there's a picture of you in a kilt?

re: #144 Alouette

He doesn't look like he suffered enough.

No, he didn't.

re: #99 lawhawk

I just read that Rivka Holtzberg was actually 5 months pregnant when she was murdered by those frelling Islamic terrorists.

I hadn't seen that. Thanks.

/further commentary severely stifled

re: #134 Guanxi88

Yes, part of grandfather's life was spent helping to blast those two off the map. And it was what he saw there that convinced him that this evil would be with us until the end.

Of course, we should be righteous, and strive to be what we were made to be - this would be true even if people did not seek our death. But people do seek our death - a lot of them, and they seek it very actively, indeed. Survival is our first priority - choose therefore life.

With all of this said, so we fight the beast at every level. In ourselves, a constant struggle; in others? I see no way, short of some sort of unimaginable blood-letting - again. Yes, I'm pessimistic, but not defeatist.

But what will it take for the majority of the people to be willing to fight the good fight? You would think after 9-11 that would have done it, but it was short lived. I had read that one reason Marshall wanted to use the bomb was because he saw that America was starting to tire of the war, and as a democracy, it would be too difficult to keep the country engaged in doing what it took for the next two or three years to defeat Japan. So, it may be that the very things that give us strength in the end make us week. Freedom is blessed and expensive, but after a while, I guess many just want to sit back and enjoy it, no matter the long term costs of ignoring the obvious threats.

re: #147 Ford_Prefect

Yes, I know. Note the sarc tag.

Sorry, missed the tag.

re: #146 scottishbuzzsaw

Here's my favorite...a bit more modest:

[Link: www.guzer.com...]

Now that is cute. Those wee laddies are getting quite an 'education'!

re: #150 Alouette

Jews do not put dead bodies on display for a photo-op.

Yes, I know. They (you) treat your deceased with much more respect.
I hit post rather than the sarc sign.

re: #151 scottishbuzzsaw

Someone mentioned yesterday that there's a picture of you in a kilt?

I saw that comment, and it was meant as a slam on me, which is ok, since at times, I deserve it.

But no, that's not me. Does that guy look anything like my avatar? My avatar is me, a bit heavier than I am now, but me.

re: #107 zombie

Dear Lord, I pray that my fair city is not forever defined by the most licentious among us.

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

You deserve Folsom praise for your efforts.

I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

re: #99 lawhawk

I just read that Rivka Holtzberg was actually 5 months pregnant when she was murdered by those frelling Islamic terrorists.

Hell is a terrible place.
and that mother___er is paying dearly for his deeds.

sucks to be him...for eternity

re: #83 JacksonTn

Ace has some pictures or links to some pictures of the scene where his parents were killed ...horrific ...warning a pic of one of the terrorist murderers dead ...

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

That terrorist's body should have been fed to pigs.

MMM, 1/2 pound bacon cheese burger and chili cheese fries

re: #155 TaeJohnDo

See, I don't know what it would take. In Israel, on the front lines, they've got suicidal doves all over the place, and this in the country surrounded by enemies who seek nothing less than the complete annihilation of the Jewish people. If the folks there aren't united 100%, if people talk about war-fatigue there, where losing the war means losing your life, then maybe it's too much to hope that folks here Stateside should get all that involved.

Nuclear Option: Franken Laying Predicate for Senate to Vote Him Into Office Even if He Loses the Vote?

Franken's behind by 340 and almost guaranteed to lose the recount. He's going to be behind by enough that even his demands that dubious absentee votes be counted won't save him.

A reader explains why the secretary of state's site shows Franken behind: Simply because the recount isn't finished yet, and many of the uncounted precincts went big for Coleman. So the current tally is not reflective of the likely final tally.

So is that it for Franken? No. The Senate can simply vote him into office if they so choose, and Franken's spurious arguments about "uncounted votes" may be an effort to give them the pretext to do just that.

In 1975 the Senate refused to certify the victory of a Republican who'd won in New Hampshire by two votes. Ultimately a compromise was reached -- a new election-- which the Democrat won.

The only thing that can prevent this is a filibuster... which may or may not be available to us, depending on today's vote in Georgia. And even a filibuster would only block the Democrats' attempts to seat Franken -- it would not get Coleman certified as the winner.

Similar: Powerline agrees Franken is lobbying Reid for just this scheme.

Another 171 Ballots Suddenly Discovered: Oy. They're from a swing district, so ought not to break heavily for Franken (Captain Ed guesses an 11 vote pickup based on district breakdown).

I'm less sanguine. I kinda assume all batches of "suddenly discovered uncounted ballots" will go heavily for Franken, because, um, they're filling them out in their basements this week.

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

I think "enema" is the correct spelling there.

LOL!

re: #158 buzzsawmonkey

You deserve Folsom praise for your efforts.

I don't understand why. This subject is old nudes.

re: #162 rawmuse

Dear Lord, I pray that my fair city is not forever defined by the most licentious among us.

A little too late for that.

re: #164 Shug

Hell is a terrible place.
and that mother___er is paying dearly for his deeds.

sucks to be him...for eternity

On some level, things like this make me hope that there is a Hell. Sounds weird, but there it is; I hope there's a Hell.

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MMM, 1/2 pound bacon cheese burger and chili cheese fries

I had a salad for lunch.
I hate you

re: #162 rawmuse

Dear Lord, I pray that my fair city is not forever defined by the most licentious among us.

Well honestly, I rarely hear a comment about your city, from any political direction, from any flavor of people that doesn't stress the licentious nature of SanFran.

It's a hard reputation to shake. (no, that wasn't meant as a pun).

re: #164 Shug

Hell is a terrible place.
and that mother___er is paying dearly for his deeds.

sucks to be him...for eternity

a beautiful life taken away by FTC

re: #177 Eowyn2

a beautiful life taken away by FTC

two

re: #172 zombie

A little too late for that.

Sigh. I have been praying that prayer for 30 years at least...

re: #171 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't understand why. This subject is old nudes.

Well, that's stripping it down.

PS: what is FTC?

re: #75 WriterMom

I keep getting the talks from my Dad about not letting them defeat us but I'm just so sad.

Being sad is not the same as being defeated. You can be sad and remain strong. As DistrubedEma said, let yourself mourn and let yourself go through the emotions. Parents are irreplaceable and though Moishe lost his through an act that's nearly unimaginable, he will have the remarkable experience of learning of the vast amount of good in this world through the help and support that he will likely receive through complete strangers throughout his entire life. Strangers like us.

re: #165 Crusty

That terrorist's body should have been fed to pigs.

Better yet:
1. Cover body with bacon grease.
2. Sew up body in pig skin shroud.
3. Send back to Pakistan. COD.

Hey Wisconites! Look up! There goes the tool bag.

re: #179 rawmuse

In spite of the Rep, I still love SF. It's a one of a kind place and I could visit there over and over...You are lucky if you can afford to live there.

Signed, Desert Dog - born in Concord, CA

re: #174 Shug

I had a salad for lunch.
I hate you

Real chili too, with beans and meat, and shredded cheddar, not the chili sauce and processed cheese sauce crap. Flame grilled burger on a fresh bun

Sorry folks but I don’t know where else to post this. I spent 20 years in Naval Special Warfare (SWCC) and I still work for them as a civilian. I have been to over 40 countries and have seen a lot of bad things (and even more good). I have also (like most people in the US) had a steep learning curve in regards to Islam over the past few years but now something in me has broken. It was the picture of the 2 year old baby smuggled out of the Jewish center in Mumbai crying at his parents funereal. This was the breaking point, the straw that broke the camel’s back. Up until this time I could separate Islam from Muslims, the acts of terrorist from the average follower of this so called religion. I can’t do that anymore. I now know exactly what Thomas Mann was saying when he said “Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil”. My words can’t convey the depth of what I feel and this is a problem. I work at a military schoolhouse that has many students from Islamic lands. Whereas before I would steer away from discussions of Islam, now I want to confront them. I want to ask them how they can be apart of these horrific acts, and by declaring themselves believers I now feel they are a part of these acts. They will of course side step or say the usual deflecting comments but this will only enhance this feeling of anger (I don’t even know if you can call it that). I hate that I hate but that is what it has come to. Again sorry to dump on everyone here but I can’t very well express this at work and I don’t want to bring this hate into my home, so what to do?

re: #184 Ford_Prefect

Hey Wisconites! Look up! There goes the tool bag.

Uh never mind. Heads up Canucks!

re: #174 Shug

I had a salad for lunch.
I hate you

About 12 years ago I accidentally had a personal size veggie pizza for lunch (I grabbed it out of the peperoni bin). It was so unfulfilling I still get hunger pains when I think about it.

re: #169 gmsc

IMHO. this could bring a new standard to the vote process.

At close of polls, ALL unused ballots are shredded.

sounds logical to me.

re: #182 bosforus

Being sad is not the same as being defeated. You can be sad and remain strong. As DistrubedEma said, let yourself mourn and let yourself go through the emotions. Parents are irreplaceable and though Moishe lost his through an act that's nearly unimaginable, he will have the remarkable experience of learning of the vast amount of good in this world through the help and support that he will likely receive through complete strangers throughout his entire life. Strangers like us.

I'd give my right hand to make it so he and the others never had to learn what they have learned, and we never had the need to show them compassion, mercy, and generosity in their time of need.

re: #174 Shug

I had a salad for lunch.
I hate you

I'm fasting. I hate you both. ;)

re: #83 JacksonTn

Ace has some pictures or links to some pictures of the scene where his parents were killed ...horrific ...warning a pic of one of the terrorist murderers dead ...

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Go over that dead piece of shit murderer with your mouse , and it says " The body of a suspected militant lies inside Nariman house"

Reuters scum
/spit

All your Abbie Hoffman are belong to us!

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Well, at least obviously middle-aged ones.

(Dang it, should have written .. "This street fair is old nudes.")

re: #129 WriterMom

Thank you. Yes-I feel profound grief today. I will never forget this day-never forget the victims.

The pictures of that little pitzel were heart-rending. I hope he has some close family members who will look after him.
The other thing I was wondering about was the woman who brought the boy out of the building - she is a hero.

re: #181 Shug

Fucking Terrorist Cowards

re: #134 Guanxi88

Yes, part of grandfather's life was spent helping to blast those two off the map. And it was what he saw there that convinced him that this evil would be with us until the end.

Of course, we should be righteous, and strive to be what we were made to be - this would be true even if people did not seek our death. But people do seek our death - a lot of them, and they seek it very actively, indeed. Survival is our first priority - choose therefore life.

With all of this said, so we fight the beast at every level. In ourselves, a constant struggle; in others? I see no way, short of some sort of unimaginable blood-letting - again. Yes, I'm pessimistic, but not defeatist.

Good people doing nothing= Evil wins

re: #193 Iron Fist

Franken is a goddamn son of a bitch who's trying to outright steal the fucking election. They should arrest his ass, and throw him under the jail.

I agree. The tactics he is going to utilize seem to be extremely undemocratic... Saxby Chambliss better win in GA...

re: #193 Iron Fist

Franken is a goddamn son of a bitch who's trying to outright steal the fucking election. They should arrest his ass, and throw him under the jail.

So, not a Franken supporter, I take it?

re: #187 boatguyjim

Thank you for your service.

Nothing I can add to that. The only outlet I have is pushing a big pile of weights in a weight room..

re: #188 Ford_Prefect

Uh never mind. Heads up Canucks!

Ironically, the old lost toolbag is now heading for Newfoundland.

British Imam praises Mumbai terrorists, killing infidels...
TERROR COPS FEAR 'MUMBAI ATTACK' IN UK

RANTING Anjem Choudary launched an astonishing anti-British tirade as terror experts warned yesterday of a Mumbai-style massacre in Britain.

The hate preacher called for apartheid in the UK just days after backing the killers in India. And his supporters threatened to unleash “blood on the streets”.
...
Choudary, 41, spoke at a packed public meeting called “Not So Great Britain”.

It was held at a council-owned arts centre in Southall, Middlesex, by Islam4UK.com – a website he founded with banned hate preacher Omar Bakri Mohammad.

Filthy

He branded Britain “filthy”, accused children of being “prostitutes” and demanded non-Muslims wear signs like the Nazis forced on the Jews in WWII.

Crazed Choudary said: “In Britain there are 230 rapes every day, that’s 10 per hour. Supermarkets are selling poles for little children so they can become prostitutes when they grow up. There’s no comparison between our way of life and theirs.

“In an Islamic state, non-Muslims will have to wear a sign to show what they are – it should say Kaffir. We won’t discriminate on height, race or appearance but we will discriminate on faith.” Earlier, Bakri spoke via videophone from Lebanon.

Meanwhile, one of Choudary’s henchmen at Islam4UK, which has close links to banned group al-Muhajiroun, warned: “You will know when the Muslims have ignited an insurrection when there is blood on the streets of London and New York like there is blood on the streets of Fallujah and Mumbai.”

re: #195 father_of_10

All your Abbie Hoffman are belong to us!

Take him with our blessing.

re: #184 Ford_Prefect

Hey Wisconites! Look up! There goes the tool bag.

Cool, I will e mail my family to look sharp!

re: #171 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't understand why. This subject is old nudes.

Pass the brain bleach, please.

re: #183 Cygnus

Better yet:
1. Cover body with bacon grease.
2. Sew up body in pig skin shroud.
3. Send back to Pakistan. COD.

In India they wont be cruel to animals, including pigs.

re: #205 Killgore Trout

Eh, it was just an isolated attack... It could never happen in the UK or US...

///

A wonderful little black dog died today of a horrible cancer. Her owner, a friend, was rushing back to the emergency hospital where the dog had spent the night and arrived too late. She is devastated. Please say a prayer for a black dog in Montana and her loving mom. :(

re: #187 boatguyjim

It happens to the best of us. I hate it too. I hate the fact that I, a musician, have had to apply a significant portion of my life to the art of defense and even war. I never wanted that for my life, and it disturbed my whole household. But I do it now. I buy weapons and I buy the training that goes with them. That is money that I could have spent on Lord only knows what ever more worthy pursuit. But my life is for naught if it can be poached by these cretins. If nothing else I just want them to know that I am paying attention and putting on the whole armor.

re: #207 DisturbedEma

Cool, I will e mail my family to look sharp!

Too late. It is about to head back out to sea.

re: #205 Killgore Trout

British Imam praises Mumbai terrorists, killing infidels...
TERROR COPS FEAR 'MUMBAI ATTACK' IN UK

"Poles" selling poles? WTF?

re: #205 Killgore Trout

British Imam praises Mumbai terrorists, killing infidels...
TERROR COPS FEAR 'MUMBAI ATTACK' IN UK

Fucking scum.

re: #205 Killgore Trout

British Imam praises Mumbai terrorists, killing infidels...
TERROR COPS FEAR 'MUMBAI ATTACK' IN UK

Open Season

re: #214 Ford_Prefect

Too late. It is about to head back out to sea.

Too bad. . .

re: #184 Ford_Prefect

Hey Wisconites! Look up! There goes the tool bag.

That's Cheeseheads.

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking scum.

Yep- for sure. . .

re: #179 rawmuse

Sigh. I have been praying that prayer for 30 years at least...

Seriously, I know what you mean. I've never lived there, but was through SF many times between '57 and '69. I have no desire to return. I want to remember the city as I do, not as I might learn.

re: #194 Shug

Go over that dead piece of shit murderer with your mouse , and it says " The body of a suspected militant lies inside Nariman house"

Reuters scum
/spit

I noticed that too. Makes me sick.

re: #197 Spare O'Lake

The pictures of that little pitzel were heart-rending. I hope he has some close family members who will look after him.
The other thing I was wondering about was the woman who brought the boy out of the building - she is a hero.

i read somewhere that it was a cook. domestic help.

re: #187 boatguyjim

{boatguyjim}

Keep writing.

re: #219 Honorary Yooper

That's Cheeseheads.

Cha, der hey. . .

Fake, liberal Christians are making me ill today...

SEVENTH INTERNATIONAL SABEEL CONFERENCE
NAZARETH AND JERUSALEM
NOVEMBER 12-19, 2008

THE NAKBA: MEMORY, REALITY AND BEYOND

We are more than 200 Christians from five continents who have come together to commemorate the tragic events that occurred 60 years ago in the lives of the people of Palestine. While we have come to hear from and to offer our solidarity and support to the indigenous Palestinian community in both Palestine and Israel, we have also heard from brothers and sisters in the Muslim and Jewish communities as they too have borne witness to the injustices visited upon the Palestinian population of this land. They have seen more than 531 villages depopulated and destroyed, and the creation of more than 750,000 refugees who have not been allowed to return to their homes since 1948.

We recognize the irony in the coincidence that this year also marks the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The establishment of peace with justice requires that the full truth be told about the events of 1948 and the subsequent displacement of hundreds of thousands more Palestinian citizens in 1967, a process which has continued to the present day. The human rights of the Palestinian people continue to be crushed under a military occupation that dehumanizes both oppressed and oppressor. We share our conviction that it is only an acknowledgement of the full truth behind and within this current state of oppression that will lead to true freedom for all parties in the conflict.

Yes, Stinky, thank you, I understand, it wont happen again.

re: #127 Desert Dog

He was elected by demagouging. He was elected by trashing GWB. He was elected by making promises that he knows can't be kept.

I hope he does well, too, but even if he does good, I will not forget how he came to win the election.

re: #195 father_of_10

All your Abbie Hoffman are belong to us!

Will you please take Jane, Jon Carry, and half the chicago machine as well?

re: #187 boatguyjim

Sorry folks but I don’t know where else to post this. I spent 20 years in Naval Special Warfare (SWCC) and I still work for them as a civilian. I have been to over 40 countries and have seen a lot of bad things (and even more good). I have also (like most people in the US) had a steep learning curve in regards to Islam over the past few years but now something in me has broken. It was the picture of the 2 year old baby smuggled out of the Jewish center in Mumbai crying at his parents funereal. This was the breaking point, the straw that broke the camel’s back. Up until this time I could separate Islam from Muslims, the acts of terrorist from the average follower of this so called religion. I can’t do that anymore. I now know exactly what Thomas Mann was saying when he said “Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil”. My words can’t convey the depth of what I feel and this is a problem. I work at a military schoolhouse that has many students from Islamic lands. Whereas before I would steer away from discussions of Islam, now I want to confront them. I want to ask them how they can be apart of these horrific acts, and by declaring themselves believers I now feel they are a part of these acts. They will of course side step or say the usual deflecting comments but this will only enhance this feeling of anger (I don’t even know if you can call it that). I hate that I hate but that is what it has come to. Again sorry to dump on everyone here but I can’t very well express this at work and I don’t want to bring this hate into my home, so what to do?

BoatJim ...I feel for you ...I posted something very much the same a few days ago ...I don't want to feel hatred and I don't know what to do with the feelings I have and like you am confronted with it when I see muslims in the stores, etc. I don't know what to tell you except that you are not alone ...

re: #187 boatguyjim

Terrorism by it's very nature is cowardly. Hit unsuspecting innocent people and then slither off. I suspect that the Muslims you will confront about this will share in your anger. I am still convinced that the ones doing this sort of thing are the minority. However, I am still waiting for this "silent majority" of Muslims to rise up and say enough is enough. So far, it's nothing but silence and that bothers me as well. If we had a bunch of Christians going around doing this sort of thing all over the world, there would be a huge reaction from the Christian community and that sort of thing would be stamped out. It appears they endorse this sort of thing by the lack of reaction, doesn't it?

re: #223 Eowyn2

i read somewhere that it was a cook. domestic help.

That kind of pissed me off- they called her a nanny- sorry, but that is probably not what she did- I was told she was a cook who would watch Moshe when his mom was needed elsewhere, I have never known a Chabad Rebbitzim with anyone watching her kids full time. . .

re: #214 Ford_Prefect

Too late. It is about to head back out to sea.

And speaking of heading, that is what I must do. Thank you Lizards for a wonderful time. One of these days I am going to get fired because of you people making me LOL and LMAO. And at the same time you make me cry or scream out in anger or just about burst with pride for my country. Where else can a person get all of that in one place. Again, thank you and good day. I will see you tomorrow.

re: #227 A Kiwi Infidel

Yes, Stinky, thank you, I understand, it wont happen again.

My first deleted comment...*sniffle*...Sorry, Charles.

re: #215 DisturbedEma

Was he talking about stripper poles? I don't know.

re: #226 Spenser (with an S)

Fake, liberal Christians are making me ill today...

VOMIT!

re: #204 Iron Fist

Hate 'em back, man. It works for me.

It's a good place to start, anyway.

re: #205 Killgore Trout

British Imam praises Mumbai terrorists, killing infidels...
TERROR COPS FEAR 'MUMBAI ATTACK' IN UK

I ... will ... not ... say ... what ... I ... think ... should ... [Full Stop]

re: #187 boatguyjim

Sorry folks but I don’t know where else to post this. I spent 20 years in Naval Special Warfare (SWCC) and I still work for them as a civilian. I have been to over 40 countries and have seen a lot of bad things (and even more good). I have also (like most people in the US) had a steep learning curve in regards to Islam over the past few years but now something in me has broken. It was the picture of the 2 year old baby smuggled out of the Jewish center in Mumbai crying at his parents funereal. This was the breaking point, the straw that broke the camel’s back. Up until this time I could separate Islam from Muslims, the acts of terrorist from the average follower of this so called religion. I can’t do that anymore. I now know exactly what Thomas Mann was saying when he said “Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil”. My words can’t convey the depth of what I feel and this is a problem. I work at a military schoolhouse that has many students from Islamic lands. Whereas before I would steer away from discussions of Islam, now I want to confront them. I want to ask them how they can be apart of these horrific acts, and by declaring themselves believers I now feel they are a part of these acts. They will of course side step or say the usual deflecting comments but this will only enhance this feeling of anger (I don’t even know if you can call it that). I hate that I hate but that is what it has come to. Again sorry to dump on everyone here but I can’t very well express this at work and I don’t want to bring this hate into my home, so what to do?

It is no wonder that you feel the way you do. I have waited 7 years now to hear Muslims public denounce the hate element in their religion from the "moderate" followers.

For whatever reasons, they have refused to do that in any meaningful way.

That leads me to only one conclusion at this time. I cannot trust any Muslim. I can be friendly to them, I can give them the benefit of the doubt for normal everyday interactions if I have to interact with them, but, I will not trust that person.

I don't wish death or destruction on any of them, unless they deserve it, but I will not cry if they are killed or hurt.

The ball is TOTALLY in their court. They have to prove to the rest of the world that they can live in peace with us. Until that time, otherwise, I will not consider them as a fellow traveller and I feel no compunction to extend any helping hand to them.

I don't want to see them mistreated unfairly, but I will not support any treatment that gives them special considerations in this world.

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Was he talking about stripper poles? I don't know.

Seemed like it. I guess he is happier teaching his girls how great it will be when they hit 12 and can get married to their 35 year old 1st cousin from Pakistan

re: #229 DeafDog

I hope so too. And, I agree, he won by distorting, denying, over promising and eloquently espousing load after load of Bull Crap. He won without saying anything of any substance, and that fact bothers me to no end.

re: #234 Ford_Prefect

And speaking of heading, that is what I must do. Thank you Lizards for a wonderful time. One of these days I am going to get fired because of you people making me LOL and LMAO. And at the same time you make me cry or scream out in anger or just about burst with pride for my country. Where else can a person get all of that in one place. Again, thank you and good day. I will see you tomorrow.

Take care, Ford...

re: #235 scottishbuzzsaw

My first deleted comment...*sniffle*...Sorry, Charles.

Yeah. I should not have quoted as well.

re: #231 JacksonTn

BoatJim ...I feel for you ...I posted something very much the same a few days ago ...I don't want to feel hatred and I don't know what to do with the feelings I have and like you am confronted with it when I see muslims in the stores, etc. I don't know what to tell you except that you are not alone ...

Me too, but when I became a parent, that line became a lot clearer to me- I am constantly on alert, and would not hesitate to act, even if it would mean consequences should I be mistaken, whether an apology or criminal charges, it will always be "let's roll" time for me when my children are involved. . .

re: #226 Spenser (with an S)

I am pleased you used the word fake, for they, indeed, are not Christians, but hold to a doctrine of demons.

re: #239 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I ... will ... not ... say ... what ... I ... think ... should ... [Full Stop]

me either, the sheer strain of the effort may lay me low. . .

re: #239 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I ... will ... not ... say ... what ... I ... think ... should ... [Full Stop]

Do unto others before they do unto you, especially when they have a long established track record of carrying out their threats.

re: #237 DisturbedEma

VOMIT!

God has pretty much the same reaction:

“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Revelation 3:15-16

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey

Nakba, Nakba!

Who's there?

Apologists!

Apologists who?

Ah pull-a jist anything out of my ass if it will justify Jew-hatred.

Wow, that is the most amusing and concise manner of explaination I have read in a while!

re: #187 boatguyjim

Hang in there. Don't know what years you were in, or which coast, but I had the opportunity to partner with a guy you may have known (may he rest in peace), Capt. Dave Schaible (we all called him Uncle Dave). If you did, you'd know how he would feel about all this.

re: #245 CyanSnowHawk

Yeah. I should not have quoted as well.

My post, my bad.

I just hope that any other posts that ref to male genitalia, especially the hideous like scrotum man, as also disposed of, in like manner. That lad, after all, cannot help what he was blessed with. He just needs to be a little more circumspect in his seating arrangements.

re: #251 Cygnus

God has pretty much the same reaction:

“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Revelation 3:15-16

Perfect.

re: #75 WriterMom

{WriterMom], what these savages have done is so hideous. so inhuman.
it has really brought me down too. on top of all the other bad news. and brutality in the world that is impossible to understand.
it is so hard to look at what they do. it is so unsettling.
it is not our way. it is like watching a sadistic beast in big ugly boots, purposefully crush flowers.
i just don't understand it. but i do know it is what psychopaths do.
it is pure evil that inspires these monsters. and they are on the prowl.

re: #254 A Kiwi Infidel

My post, my bad.

I just hope that any other posts that ref to male genitalia, especially the hideous like scrotum man, as also disposed of, in like manner. That lad, after all, cannot help what he was blessed with. He just needs to be a little more circumspect in his seating arrangements.

Um, wearing some sort of pants or shorts might help him (or, actually, help us).

re: #249 DisturbedEma

me either, the sheer strain of the effort may lay me low. . .

... and I like having the privilege of being a registered Lizard.

/perhaps "remaining" would have been clearer than "being"

re: #256 nyc redneck

{WriterMom], what these savages have done is so hideous. so inhuman.
it has really brought me down too. on top of all the other bad news. and brutality in the world that is impossible to understand.
it is so hard to look at what they do. it is so unsettling.
it is not our way. it is like watching a sadistic beast in big ugly boots, purposefully crush flowers.
i just don't understand it. but i do know it is what psychopaths do.
it is pure evil that inspires these monsters. and they are on the prowl.

As horrific and vile these butchers were, the "ho hum, it was just another Jew slaughter" and "well, they were after Westerners" reactions of those in media and the government were mind numbing and discouraging as well- we have not come all that far baby.

re: #187 boatguyjim

Take it from another guy from the Canoe Club, you do what you know will work. You talk to people you respect, you look for life to love, you focus on the children before you and if one, just one, turns out not to be a monseter then you have your victory. That is as good as it gets.

re: #251 Cygnus

God has pretty much the same reaction:

“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Revelation 3:15-16

Exactly. Pick a frickin side. There is no middle ground.

I'm glad I missed it.