Well that explains why the LA Times is shilling for them.

Charles,

I don't necessarily agree with your assessment about LSD and warfare. IIRC the U.S. Government secretly used LSD in Vietnam, or at least was planning to. (Jacob's Ladder or something like that)

Hey, I thought that they were just high on life, man!

PCP is another "energizer" drug.

Assassins.

Just say no?

One of the side effects of LSD is the inability to sleep while under its influence. Thats what one of my stoner buddies from college told me anyways.

Yeah, the LSD thing perplexed me a little too. Maybe PCP was what they meant.

Ooo, that smell. Can't you smell that smell.

WOW

I would think crank would be more there drug of choice to be able to fight for days on end. That is why it was invented.

re: #8 Guanxi88

Yeah, the LSD thing perplexed me a little too. Maybe PCP was what they meant.

Too much LDS in the 60s

re: #5 Silhouette

Assassins.

Hashish?

re: #11 Crusty

I would think crank would be more there drug of choice to be able to fight for days on end. That is why it was invented.

indeed

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of the side effects of LSD is the inability to sleep while under its influence. Thats what one of my stoner buddies from college told me anyways.

And attacks from the fruit on the wallpaper

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Too much LDS in the 60s

Are you dsylxeic?

re: #4 Alouette

PCP is another "energizer" drug.

the carnage is more of a pcp than an lsd I would think

re: #11 Crusty

I would think crank would be more there drug of choice to be able to fight for days on end. That is why it was invented.

Ah, yes. Benzedrine, part of the "morale" component of ration packs in WWII.

re: #4 Alouette

PCP is another "energizer" drug.

Yeah, but would also be a poor choice for doing something like this. They wanted to be able to hit targets, set off explosives, etc., not just assault people physically without feeling pain but with little planning (which is what PCP does).

Many bad trips to those guys. PCP I can understand as it is a potent animal tranq and cocaine? Peruvian marching dust. Wouldn't be the first nor the last time anyone sent troops into battle wired up.

Here....learn something:

LSD and the military

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Too much LDS

AHA! The attackers were Mormons! Muslims were once again victims of profiling.

/

Couldn't have said it better Charles. LSD? Yeah, ok, right. LSD would not help with their agenda.

Maybe a different take on the 'hasishans'?

re: #18 Guanxi88

Ah, yes. Benzedrine, part of the "morale" component of ration packs in WWII.

Also part of the morale component of the 60's, I seem to remember (from the literature...).

"He was in the free speech movement back in Berkeley. He did a little too much LDS."
-Captain Kirk, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

“We found injections containing traces of cocaine and LSD..."

I've never heard of anyone injecting LSD.

Also, "traces" of LSD are almost impossible to detect.

This sounds like BS to me.

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of the side effects of LSD is the inability to sleep while under its influence. Thats what one of my stoner buddies from college told me anyways.

Yeah, you can't sleep because the walls are melting and the colors smell so strange.

The CIA apparently experimented with LSD in their top-secret MK-ULTRA program. But it wasn't to enhance soldiers' abilities -- it was as a weapon to disable the enemy.

Injections of LSD? I think not.

I agree. Acid would be the last thing you'd want in your system in the middle of combat. You'd use up all your ammo shooting at ghosts in your own mind.

re: #3 opnion

Hey, I thought that they were just high on life death, man!

fixed

LSD might have been the way they were kept in line.

Drug addicts will do anything for drugs.

I believe they have found similar circumstances in Iraq, and Afghanistan.

The right amount, over time can eliminate all fear and concept of good and evil. Basically factory creating a sociopath.

Sorry, that should have been 'Hashishans'

re: #4 Alouette

PCP is another "energizer" drug.

That's actually far less prevalent than is reported in the breathless local tabloid TV Media. No, the perp is on the much-more-common meth and is having a psychotic episode from being up for 5 days straight. Sheesh.

Damn TV newspeople are some of the most ignorant among us.

Speaking of "psychotic episodes", my (Mexican immigrant) neighbors have discovered the "Numa Numa Song" and are currently playing it for the fifth time today... grrrrrrr.

Perhaps someone is trying to find reasons to excuse the terrorists' heinous actions. Blaming it on drugs is one way.

Fact is that no matter what these terrorists were hopped up on, they still plotted to murder thousands, and killed several hundred people.

re: #16 Golem Akbar

Are you dsylxeic?

No, it's a line from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

Were I a terrorist mastermind, acid would be in the "Don't Take" column, maybe along with Quaaludes, Xanax and roofies.

re: #16 Golem Akbar

Are you dsylxeic?

No see the Star Trek Quote. . .:)

LSD?

/were they giggling uncontrollably?

For all the explosives and ammo they were carrying, they actually didn't kill as many people as they might have. Perhaps being on a mind altering drug would make them operate in spray-and-pray mode as opposed to using carefully aimed fire and strategically planted explosives.

re: #30 Iron Fist

I agree. Acid would be the last thing you'd want in your system in the middle of combat. You'd use up all your ammo shooting at ghosts in your own mind.

What load do you recommend for those big, hairy bats?

Black Humor

From Iowahawk about Mumabi massacre

re: #29 MrSilverDragon

Injections of LSD? I think not.

I have only heard of pill form. . .

Perhaps The Mirror's staff were the ones on LSD when they wrote this story.

LSD Facts

The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors. Sensations and feelings change much more dramatically than the physical signs.The user may feel several different emotions at once or swing rapidly from one emotion to another.If taken in a large enough dose, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations.

re: #43 DisturbedEma

I have only heard of pill form. . .

Liquid is much more potent.

I remember the stories about some people so high on LSD that they thought they could fly so they jumped out of windows.
Others stood in front of buses or trains.
(It might have been anti-drug propaganda.)
But, if Pakistani terror leaders believed it they might have thought it would help these guys not care about dying.

re: #17 Eowyn2

the carnage is more of a pcp than an lsd I would think

PCP makes more sense to me as well. It does really weird things to people, and seems to make them immune to pain, as well as overly aggressive. It's what Rodney King was on, IIRC, when those LAPD were trying to subdue him.

re: #28 Charles

Yeah, you can't sleep because the walls are melting and the colors smell so strange.

The CIA apparently experimented with LSD in their top-secret MK-ULTRA program. But it wasn't to enhance soldiers' abilities -- it was as a weapon to disable the enemy.

I'm pretty sure you're right, LSD wouldn't work for a terrorist. Crank other uppers would be enough. With LSD they might start crying...

re: #32 Buck

LSD might have been the way they were kept in line.

Drug addicts will do anything for drugs.

LSD is not addictive.

I believe it, drugs have a long tradition in assassination and slaughters, i.e.
Heroin was developed by Bayer and was supposedly used in WW 1 by German troops.

(Wikipedia.org)
(Hoffmann, working at the Bayer pharmaceutical company in Elberfeld, Germany, was instructed by his supervisor Heinrich Dreser to acetylate morphine with the objective of producing codeine, a constituent of the opium poppy, similar to morphine pharmacologically but less potent and less addictive. But instead of producing codeine, the experiment produced an acetylated form of morphine that was actually 1.5-2 times more potent than morphine itself. Bayer would name the substance "heroin", probably from the word heroisch, German for heroic, because in field studies people using the medicine felt "heroic".)

I question the LSD Too. They'd be shootin each others and laughin'

re: #43 DisturbedEma

I have only heard of pill form. . .

And "blotter" (stickers).

re: #34 Spiny Norman

That's actually far less prevalent than is reported in the breathless local tabloid TV Media. No, the perp is on the much-more-common meth and is having a psychotic episode from being up for 5 days straight. Sheesh.

Damn TV newspeople are some of the most ignorant among us.

Speaking of "psychotic episodes", my (Mexican immigrant) neighbors have discovered the "Numa Numa Song" and are currently playing it for the fifth time today... grrrrrrr.

My YA HEEE MY YA HA HA. . . .OZONE!1

It has already been reported that they had brought bags of almonds – which I didn’t know but apparently also helps you stay awake. I don’t know about the cocaine. The Chechen terrorists in Beslan 2004 were on all kinds of drugs, from cocaine to heroin as well as morphine in what would normally be considered lethal doses. Supposedly this let them fight on despite grave wounds. Not that it makes any difference. Military personal have been using various kinds of drugs to help them stay awake for many many years.

re: #32 Buck

LSD might have been the way they were kept in line.

Drug addicts will do anything for drugs.

I believe they have found similar circumstances in Iraq, and Afghanistan.

The right amount, over time can eliminate all fear and concept of good and evil. Basically factory creating a sociopath.

I don't think LSD is addictive.

Kurt Vonnegut (sp) wrote a book where the soldiers accidentally took some psychedelic drugs and became invincible, except they were killed by monkeys.

Terror training 101.

It has been a long day.

I think they were basically hopped up on Mo'.

I thought heroine was supposed to be the "invincibility" drug.

re: #23 NYCHardhat

Couldn't have said it better Charles. LSD? Yeah, ok, right. LSD would not help with their agenda.

LSD & they would start hearing Stairway to Heaven & seeing unicorns while chanting Obama. It is not a fighting drug.

re: #16 Golem Akbar

Are you dsylxeic?

Watch Star Trek IV - that is the actual quote. It's meant to show Kirk's unfamiliarity with 20th century culture.

The best bet for the ingredient is CBJ.

Check
Book
Journalism

I believe Sean Connery calls them "hashashins".

re: #41 Occasional Reader

The bats never bothered me much. It was the damned things riding the bats that freaked me out. That, and watching the sky roll like a bad TV picture. That was distracting.

So lets understand this..These Terrorists Kill, Lie, Torture and do heavy drugs in the name of God?

re: #58 Occasional Reader

I think they were basically hopped up on Mo'.

Yeah, Mo and visions of virgins. [hmmm, that could be put to music...]

re: #47 mean Gene

...
But, if Pakistani terror leaders believed it they might have thought it would help these guys not care about dying.

The ROP doesn't appear to have any shortage of guys who care about dying.

re: #53 Occasional Reader

And "blotter" (stickers).

The blotter is soaked in liquid LSD and then administered orally or by other means. A friend of mine tripped for 4 days on a thimble full amount of liquid lsd. This would NOT be the way to go for a terrorist.

re: #59 bosforus

I thought heroine was supposed to be the "invincibility" drug.

I think I'd have trouble injecting heroine. I can't imagine Madame Bovary fitting through the needle!

re: #53 Occasional Reader

And "blotter" (stickers).

And microdots.

re: #65 HoosierHoops

So lets understand this..These Terrorists Kill, Lie, Torture and do heavy drugs in the name of God?

You don't?
BRB - gotta KKK church meeting in an alley in Guantanamo.

re: #43 DisturbedEma

I have only heard of pill form. . .

The windowpane and paper tabs are better.

/especially the one's with Mickey as the wizard in Fantasia

re: #41 Occasional Reader

What load do you recommend for those big, hairy bats?

Read Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson. He successfully dealt with the giant bats.

re: #61 gmsc

Watch Star Trek IV - that is the actual quote. It's meant to show Kirk's unfamiliarity with 20th century culture.

I'll beam it up (thanks -- I'll do it).

re: #65 HoosierHoops

So lets understand this..These Terrorists Kill, Lie, Torture and do heavy drugs in the name of God?

Yes, but they don't do pre-marital sex.

re: #59 bosforus

I thought heroine was supposed to be the "invincibility" drug.

PCP, at least in terms of hand to hand stuff. I recall hearing a cop telling how he'd try to bend the wrist of someone on PCP to get him into "compliance", and the guy would just smile at him, right up until (and including) when his wrist snapped. But again, not the sort of thing you'd want to hand out to guys who are supposed to be executing small unit tactics with firearms and explosives.

re: #61 gmsc

Watch Star Trek IV - that is the actual quote. It's meant to show Kirk's unfamiliarity with 20th century culture.

I laughed hard when he said, "Oh yeah? Well double dumbass to you!"

LSD is really hard to get addicted to. It takes a very, VERY specific personality to actually get to the point where you crave (and this is purely psychological) LSD. And considering that your logical faculties, sense of space and time completely deteriorate under it's influence and that it is notoriously hard to gauge.

Possibly they took LSD prior to the attack (for some odd reason) but I doubt it.

I would also like to note that LSD does not create sociopaths. Meth/amphetamines/analogs (which is sort of a separate case here and probably along with cocaine the only drug that would be useful - apart from kat which is useless due to the quantities required - in combat situations) or heroin/morphine and other bensodiazepines would have a numbing effect but will also wreck complete havoc on your ability to make good decisions. My guess would be a combination of cocaine and amphetamines of some kind. Possibly with some prior LSD usage before they left/during the trip for some mystic bullshit reason.

re: #16 Golem Akbar

Are you dsylxeic?

Actually, that's a line from Star Trek IV; The Voyage Home. (Kirk was trying to "explain" to Dr. Gillian Tyler why Spock seemed a bit...spacey... by her standards in circa-1984 San Francisco.)

As for the idea of the Mumbai killers being on drugs, amphetamines have been advocated as "combat drugs" by people who don't know any better. Benzedrine used to be included in some aircrew survival kits, notably by the RAF. And during the Philippine insurrection following the Spanish-American War (1899-1906 or thereabouts), Moro (Muslim) warriors used to dose up on opiates, bind up their, er, "private pats" with leather, and go on rampages seeking to kill as many "infidels" as possible. The idea of the drugs and odd couture' was to render them as shock-insensitive as possible while pressing home the attack, hence able to continue even after being wounded. The custom was known as juramentado, and in spite of some people today claiming it's a myth, it really did happen. It was the equivalent of a modern terrorist suicide/homicide attack, except generally with edged weapons instead of automatic weapons and high explosives.

Technology changes. Fanaticism does not.

cheers

eon

re: #69 MrSilverDragon

I think I'd have trouble injecting heroine. I can't imagine Madame Bovary fitting through the needle!

Ha ha, my bad. Spell check is like Satan, half truths are its specialty.

re: #30 Iron Fist

I agree. Acid would be the last thing you'd want in your system in the middle of combat. You'd use up all your ammo shooting at ghosts in your own mind.

they weren't in combat, they slaughtered people just like the SS demons did

To bad they didn't inject themselves with Cyanide first. That would have been the perfect trip for these savages.

re: #52 Haole

Personally I think LSD will effect each individual differently. There are certain shared efects, but what you do with those effects is what counts. If you are a committed Terrorist, I don't think a tab or ten of LSD would make you into a moronic hippy.

Where they on LSD? Who knows. But what most people relate LSD with are hippies, and they acted the way they did because they were morons 1st.

OBL on LSD wouldn't be singing "If Your Going to San Francisco", while dancing in a park in Heigh- Ashbury.

During the Vietnam era, the Army experimented with a hallucinogenic chemical warfare agent designated "BZ". Its effects were likened to that of a very unpleasant LSD trip. The intended use was to demoralize and confuse enemy troops hit with it. They were never able to come up with an effective delivery system (it was a powder) and the project was shelved.

Of course Charles Manson's followers committed horrible crimes while high on LSd so I supposed it is possible.

But where do you get LSD in Pakistan?...Do they have Deadheads in Islamabad, or rave parties?

Blaming the LDS again? That tears it another lame attempt by the Gay MSM to slander the inoffensive pro-American LDS community.

What's that? Oh, never mind.

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Too much LDS in the 60s

Not another Mormon thread. :)

re: #77 MrSilverDragon

I laughed hard when he said, "Oh yeah? Well double dumbass to you!"

That I am I loved the whole colorful metaphore exchange

Kirk-"oh, you mean the profanity. It's how they talk, you see it in the literature of the period, Jacquline Susanne, Harold Robbins"

Spock- Ah, the giants

All hoped up? Isn't that against islamic terrorist policy number whatever?

Slay the infidel, by cutting off the head....

But themselves doing drugs?!?

Nah

LSD is out of the question if they actually wanted to perform. Sadly, they seemed to have performed their mission well. Cocaine and Meth sound plausable, though both will reduce your ability to think. If staying awake for three days is the problem, meth is the drug of choice I think.

Unless taking the drugs was a way to keep them on their suicidal task. I'll admit I still don't understand the mentality that makes people throw their lives away for a cause of hate.

re: #35 lawhawk

Perhaps someone is trying to find reasons to excuse the terrorists' heinous actions. Blaming it on drugs is one way.

Fact is that no matter what these terrorists were hopped up on, they still plotted to murder thousands, and killed several hundred people.

There is always that need for rational people to try to understand what is patently irrational behavior from their perspective. Thus we always see the ready explanations (upset about a failed romance, depressed, delusional, drugged, occupation, grievances, etc.)

A lot of this goes on with the moral-relativism crowd, trying to put themselves in the others shoes, understand and make sense of their motivations.

What is of course necessary is for these gullible but well meaning cultural elites in the MSM and academia is to understand that these terrorists are completely sane and rational, their world view and spiritual belief are just entirely different.

re: #83 WrathofG-d

Personally I think LSD will effect each individual differently. There are certain shared efects, but what you do with those effects is what counts. If you are a committed Terrorist, I don't think a tab or ten of LSD would make you into a moronic hippy.

Agreed. I knew a few people who did acid. They never claimed the whole walls bleeding or talking to the ashtray deal.

re: #77 MrSilverDragon

I laughed hard when he said, "Oh yeah? Well double dumbass to you!"

My favorite line in the movie:

McCoy: This woman has acute post-prandial upper abdominal distension.
[The guards let them enter the operating room]
Kirk: What did you say she had?
McCoy: Cramps.

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

I disagree, from personal experiments...er experience.

re: #94 gmsc

My favorite line in the movie:

McCoy: This woman has acute post-prandial upper abdominal distension.
[The guards let them enter the operating room]
Kirk: What did you say she had?
McCoy: Cramps.

After eating. . .post-prandial

LGF poll.

LSD

yes

no

LSD? Cocaine? They are college students from Berkley? I thought they were terrorists from Pakistan?
At this day and age, you can never tell anymore.

re: #16 Golem Akbar

Are you dsylxeic?

He's channeling James T. Kirk . . .

re: #97 NYCHardhat

LGF poll.

LSD

yes

no

Took it? No

Think it was used by terrorists? No

re: #76 Occasional Reader

PCP, that's it! That stuff's scary. Seems like a cop's worst nightmare.

re: #88 DisturbedEma

That I am I loved the whole colorful metaphore exchange

Kirk-"oh, you mean the profanity. It's how they talk, you see it in the literature of the period, Jacquline Susanne, Harold Robbins"

Spock- Ah, the giants

One other good exchange:

Gillian: Let me guess, you're from outer space.
Kirk: Oh no, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space.

re: #99 father_of_10

He's channeling James T. Kirk . . .

She. . .I am

re: #93 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I knew people that would take College exams (no, not philosophy) on LSD.

re: #102 gmsc

One other good exchange:

Gillian: Let me guess, you're from outer space.
Kirk: Oh no, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space.

They are not the hell your whales

re: #100 DisturbedEma

Took it? No

Think it was used by terrorists? No

You are correct in the second one. The first one is your choice as always.

re: #97 NYCHardhat

LGF poll.

LSD

yes

no

I plead the 5th.

re: #81 2by2

But on acid they wouldn't necessarily be very efficient at it. They might get caught up in shooting their gun at the wall because it was so interesting. OTOH, the loud noise might freak them out, and they throw their gun away. Anything resembling logical thought is merely a coincidence for several hours, depending on how much of the shit you took.

Acid and firearms just don't mix well. Although I imagine that tracer rounds would be facinating as hell triping about a hit and a half of blotter.

Let the good times roll!

re: #78 enoughalready

iirc Ram Dass wrote that he and Tim Leary tried to stay high on LSD back in the 60s. Had to take higher and higher doses ... after some time - weeks? they gave up.

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

I agree on the LSD charge, but speed, heroin or cocaine is certainly a strong possibility.

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like we should hang out.

Jihad 2.2

re: #88 DisturbedEma

That I am I loved the whole colorful metaphore exchange

Kirk-"oh, you mean the profanity. It's how they talk, you see it in the literature of the period, Jacquline Susanne, Harold Robbins"

Spock- Ah, the giants

"Just a damn minute, Captain."

Traffic officer approaches a car parked on the side of the road with the driver, head bent down, engrossed in a packet of suspicious substance.

"Excuse me, sir, what are you up to?"

"ohhhhh, boss, eyes juss doin whadda sign tells me t'do"

re: #105 DisturbedEma

They are not the hell your whales

Where are your nuclear wessels?

What, no cannabis? You just can't find any good old fashioned Hashshashin these days.

re: #103 DisturbedEma

She. . .I am

Pardon my sexist nature.

Acid lasts only about 12 -14 hours. Tolerance develops instantly and you can't trip even 2 days in a row no matter how much you take. Veteran acid heads will tell you it takes a good month to get your full tripability back after a good one.

As a veteran of the lysergic wars, here is my take on the acid. Sure if you never used it before and/or took a massive dose you would be completely useless for any task. However, If you have some experience, you won't freak out and the heightened awareness and ability to concentrate and react could be a great asset. For example, chronic acid-heads are notriously famous for video game proficiency.
Also, tolerance is built up in as little as one day. Therefore if the same dose is ingested on consecutive days, there is little or no hallucinagenic effect but a "speedy" state of alertness.
LSD is generally produced in crystal form and either put into pills or dissolved in alcohol and applied to paper etc. It could easily be injected.
A buddy of mine was an infantryman in the 70s and told me when they were on war-games the acid enhanced their performance. The dilated pupils even help with night vision.
.....for what it's worth.

re: #112 WrathofG-d

Sounds like we should hang out.

reeeMEMbahhhh
what the DOORmouse sAIIIID

Buoyed by this news, PCP rose 3% today, closing at 58.12.

Video: Dude on pcp fights with police

I've been transported back to my misspent youth...HELP!

re: #117 doppelganglander

What, no cannabis? You just can't find any good old fashioned Hashshashin these days.

Well, you can, but no one smoking it wants to get up off the couch, let alone go on a multi-day killing spree. And a few almonds would NEVER slake their munchies.

Seems to me, if they were gonna use drugs to keep on fighting, methyl amphetamine would be the correct choice. Cocaine is a possibility, and steroids would add strength and aggressiveness. Why didn't they just ask Satan Allah for strength and will to fight to the bitter end? A crisis in faith? These monsters were nothing more than manufactured psychopaths. If you turned them over and checked their asses they would have been stamped "Made in Pakistan".

re: #97 NYCHardhat

LGF poll.

LSD

yes

no

"Present"

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

German soldiers in WWII were apparently given amphetamines. The Islamists have learned so much from the Nazis that it would not surprise me if they absorbed this too.

Orally or intravenously?

re: #97 NYCHardhat

LGF poll.

LSD

yes

no

Yes - twice.

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

German soldiers in WWII were apparently given amphetamines.

Er... so do we. Well, combat pilots, and special operators, anyway, under certain circumstances.

I have plenty of personal experience with coke, but none with LSD, so I'll have to defer to those who've actually done it as to whether it's a suitable drug for a well-organized killing spree.

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

German soldiers in WWII were apparently given amphetamines. The Islamists have learned so much from the Nazis that it would not surprise me if they absorbed this too.

I read several years ago in some mag, that kids (some as young as 6) in Sudan and other sub-Saharan countries were cut on their arms and cocaine was rubbed in to hop them up to killing speed.

re: #108 Iron Fist

you've got a point there, but they might have used heroin cocaine or speed, seems entirely possible to me.

They were high on li... death, man!

re: #97 NYCHardhat

LGF poll.

LSD

yes

no

No. :)

re: #56 Golem Akbar

I don't think LSD is addictive.

IMO, LSD, in combination with other drugs would create a perfectly nice zombie addict.

re: #85 Ringo the Gringo

Of course Charles Manson's followers committed horrible crimes while high on LSd so I supposed it is possible.

But where do you get LSD in Pakistan?...Do they have Deadheads in Islamabad, or rave parties?

I'd expect that it ould be fairly easily obtained, considering that it's extracted from ergot, a grain mold.

Wikipedia-LSD

Wikipedia-Ergot

G2-type ergot is found in grains raised in high humidity, relatively low-temperature mountain regions. Which pretty much describes the northern half of the Indian subcontinent.

cheers

eon

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, a little cannabis would have really inspired them to go after those 72 raisins.

And a bag of Doritos.

And five gallons of Hagen Daas.

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

I believe that amphetamine tabs were issued to frontline troops.

Are we done with puns?

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

German soldiers in WWII were apparently given amphetamines. The Islamists have learned so much from the Nazis that it would not surprise me if they absorbed this too.

And vice versa.

re: #2 WrathofG-d

Charles,

I don't necessarily agree with your assessment about LSD and warfare. IIRC the U.S. Government secretly used LSD in Vietnam, or at least was planning to. (Jacob's Ladder or something like that)

Here is a video of the results.....
British army LSD Test

There's absolutely no way the attackers were tripping.

re: #104 WrathofG-d

I knew people that would take College exams (no, not philosophy) on LSD.

They would program routers and set up DNS when I knew them

LSD amps you amp as much as coke.

(I suspect, of course.)

The 'roids is a no brainer.

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They would program routers and set up DNS when I knew them

We've met?... oh... errr... nothing!

re: #130 Bobibutu

Yes - twice.

Yes.

Man, I am remarkably drug-free in this crowd, it seems...

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Cheech and Chong go to war...

re: #115 A Kiwi Infidel

Traffic officer approaches a car parked on the side of the road with the driver, head bent down, engrossed in a packet of suspicious substance.

"Excuse me, sir, what are you up to?"

"ohhhhh, boss, eyes juss doin whadda sign tells me t'do"

And, com'on guys, where's the up dings? This is original, I came up with this one myself (unless someone can show proof of an earlier model).

re: #112 WrathofG-d

Sounds like we should hang out.

Wrath!

You said you were done tripping after that time you sat in the corner and knitted a kippa the size of an effen pizza!

re: #121 Glackinspeil

As a veteran of the lysergic wars, here is my take on the acid. Sure if you never used it before and/or took a massive dose you would be completely useless for any task. However, If you have some experience, you won't freak out and the heightened awareness and ability to concentrate and react could be a great asset. For example, chronic acid-heads are notriously famous for video game proficiency.
Also, tolerance is built up in as little as one day. Therefore if the same dose is ingested on consecutive days, there is little or no hallucinagenic effect but a "speedy" state of alertness.
LSD is generally produced in crystal form and either put into pills or dissolved in alcohol and applied to paper etc. It could easily be injected.
A buddy of mine was an infantryman in the 70s and told me when they were on war-games the acid enhanced their performance. The dilated pupils even help with night vision.
.....for what it's worth.

From an old acid veteran: Bullshit!

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

I believe that amphetamine tabs were issued to frontline troops.

They were issued Coke, Diet Coke, Tab, and Amphetamine Tab, to be exact.

Too bad they weren't smokin' weed. They could have been caught while trying to break into the vending machines.

On a more serious note, some drugs do make you believe that you are invincible. What a shame.

Speaking of 20th century captains, where is our intrepid Kirk?

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

German soldiers in WWII were apparently given amphetamines. The Islamists have learned so much from the Nazis that it would not surprise me if they absorbed this too.

Is that one? No?

re: #16 Golem Akbar

Are you dsylxeic?

or did you mean lysdexic?

can they easily detect LSD? I always thought the only way to tell was w/ a spinal tap...

re: #115 A Kiwi Infidel

Traffic officer approaches a car parked on the side of the road with the driver, head bent down, engrossed in a packet of suspicious substance.

"Excuse me, sir, what are you up to?"

"ohhhhh, boss, eyes juss doin whadda sign tells me t'do"

It's a good thing he didn't see this sign.

re: #153 Soona'

From an old acid veteran: Bullshit!

Very literate well thought out response.

An LSD trip lasts about 8-10 hours. Although it is impossible to sleep while under the influence, after it finally does wear off the user is usually quite tired. An acid trip can be exhausting.

And unlike other types of drugs, if you take more LSD immediately after a "trip", it won't have much of an effect.

re: #126 maddogg

Seems to me, if they were gonna use drugs to keep on fighting, methyl amphetamine

I sure hope the jihadi warriors don't discover our REAL secret infidel battle drug; methyl ethyl ketone. Drink about a pint of that, and you have superhuman strength, night vision like a cat, and are practically invulnerable to gunfire.

/hoping the jihadis are reading this

re: #132 Throbert McGee

I miss your old avatar, but the new one is pretty damn funny.

I was thinking speed/meth when I saw the pic of that one terrorist in the railway station. Plus the effect lasts way longer than cocaine with less used. Plus, you can whip it up in your garage. Not that I would DO that, of course.

LSD? That's really odd. Reactions are unpredictable, and focus is all over the place - sometimes on things that aren't there.

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Too much LDS in the 60s

Classic!

Coke & PCP maybe, but I call shenanigans on the LSD. I've seen enough COPS to know that the perps are very hard to take down when they're on PCP -- and some of them get nekkid.

re: #149 Occasional Reader

Man, I am remarkably drug-free in this crowd, it seems...

You didn't come of age in the '70's then?

re: #149 Occasional Reader

Man, I am remarkably drug-free in this crowd, it seems...

I'm not, but only because I take such a variety of prescription drugs (for high BP, arthritis, etc.) that if I ever took a "recreational" drug, my CNS would probably shut down instantly from sheer astonishment. Which of course means I'd drop dead right then and there.

One more reason, other than the obvious ones, why I don't even drink beer, and never "experimented" with anything growing up.

/Of course, as the designated driver, I got to drink Coca-Cola and Seven-Up all night for free at any bar my buddies and I went to on a Friday night.

cheers

eon

re: #61 gmsc

Watch Star Trek IV - that is the actual quote. It's meant to show Kirk's unfamiliarity with 20th century culture.

Did the Mormons protest?

What about the trippy deadheads with the sun bleached eyes?

re: #164 Occasional Reader

I sure hope the jihadi warriors don't discover our REAL secret infidel battle drug; methyl ethyl ketone. Drink about a pint of that, and you have superhuman strength, night vision like a cat, and are practically invulnerable to gunfire.

/hoping the jihadis are reading this

Don't forget methylene chloride - stuff works even better, and is available in the paint aisle at your hardware/home improvement store.

re: #171 dhg4

Did the Mormons protest?

Sure they did. Don't you remember the riots, the cars burning and stores looted?

re: #168 Russkilitlover

You didn't come of age in the '70's then?

Not quite "come of age", no.

re: #155 poopeedoo

Too bad they weren't smokin' weed. They could have been caught while trying to break into the vending machines.

On a more serious note, some drugs do make you believe that you are invincible. What a shame.

PCP is one. It makes one crazy and invincible.

re: #127 gmsc

You sound like President elect Obama.

LGF poll.

LSD

No. Still sound asleep.

For some reason, I'm suddenly thinking of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. /

re: #170 eon

One more reason, other than the obvious ones, why I don't even drink beer, and never "experimented" with anything growing up.

That's better than why I never did anything: parent died from cirrhosis of the liver at the age of 42. Total alcoholic who could never control it.

re: #164 Occasional Reader

I sure hope the jihadi warriors don't discover our REAL secret infidel battle drug; methyl ethyl ketone. Drink about a pint of that, and you have superhuman strength, night vision like a cat, and are practically invulnerable to gunfire.

/hoping the jihadis are reading this

MEK? Pure rocket fuel. Keeps you up for days, makes it easier to concentrate, good stuff. Just don't spill any on your motorcycle helemt.

re: #174 father_of_10

Sure they did. Don't you remember the riots, the cars burning and stores looted?

Were you there too?! I totally threw my scripture case through a DI window and snagged some t-shirts!

re: #163 Ringo the Gringo

An LSD trip lasts about 8-10 hours. Although it is impossible to sleep while under the influence, after it finally does wear off the user is usually quite tired. An acid trip can be exhausting.

And unlike other types of drugs, if you take more LSD immediately after a "trip", it won't have much of an effect.

Guess I'm just weird. I was able to get some sleep.

and from my post #109

iirc Ram Dass wrote that he and Tim Leary tried to stay high on LSD back in the 60s. Had to take higher and higher doses ... after some time - weeks? they gave up.

re: #172 Ben Hur

What about the trippy deadheads with the sun bleached eyes?

I resemble that remark!

re: #162 Glackinspeil

Very literate well thought out response.

I found it well thought and to the point.

I never used LSD, but a friend of mine who did use it often said the Psilocybin mushrooms scared the hell out of him. Once was enough.

re: #180 Perplexed

MEK? Pure rocket fuel. Keeps you up for days, makes it easier to concentrate, good stuff. Just don't spill any on your motorcycle helemt.

And how long before you tip over, cold dead?

I take LSD every day. It's the fastest way to get home for me.

(Lake Shore Drive)

It was mescaline that's for sure. Or shrooms. Blotter acid, maybe.

re: #175 Occasional Reader

Not quite "come of age", no.

I turned 18 in '79, so I missed most of it, too. But there was enough stuff still around (sex, drugs, rock and roll). However, I do have older cousins and observed them with a lot of curiosity for years.

re: #182 Bobibutu

Guess I'm just weird. I was able to get some sleep.

and from my post #109

iirc Ram Dass wrote that he and Tim Leary tried to stay high on LSD back in the 60s. Had to take higher and higher doses ... after some time - weeks? they gave up.

Shot of thorazine, and you're down fast.

/I think I know too much...

re: #181 bosforus

Were you there too?! I totally threw my scripture case through a DI window and snagged some t-shirts!

I hear you! I was so fired up ! I even had a sign that said:

Heck No! We Won't Go!

re: #186 A Kiwi Infidel

And how long before you tip over, cold dead?

Sssh! We're trying to see if they'll really do it.

re: #186 A Kiwi Infidel

And how long before you tip over, cold dead?

[um, pretty much instantly... we're kidding about the MEK, it's a strong solvent... but don't tell the jihadis that]

For me, the strongest drug I ever take by choice is dark chocolate with 80% cocoa. That'll knock your socks off.

re: #188 Mich-again

I meant to say it was not mescaline. Duh.

Only users lose drugs.

re: #187 Crusty

I take LSD every day. It's the fastest way to get home for me.

(Lake Shore Drive)

It starts up North on Hollywood...........

re: #156 vxbush

Speaking of 20th century captains, where is our intrepid Kirk?

Complaining about not getting a cameo in J.J. Abrams' new movie.

The movie looks good, plot-wise,and the actors do too, (Zoe Saldana as Uhura- wow!), but IMHO the new Enterprise only looks OK from the dorsal up to the saucer. Everything aft and below looks like it was conceived based on a MAD Magazine Star Trek parody strip from the Seventies. Gabe Koerner's version looks a lot better.

/OT (Original Trekkie) geek here

cheers

eon

re: #186 A Kiwi Infidel

Mid chug. Follow the previous post for jihadis.

Never underestimate the vast knowledge of the lizard army.

re: #178 catttt

For some reason, I'm suddenly thinking of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. /

Bat Country

:)

re: #171 dhg4

Did the Mormons protest?

Yes, Paramount was inundated by polite, well-dressed young men riding bicycles and just being nice all over the place. It was a severe disruption.

re: #194 vxbush

For me, the strongest drug I ever take by choice is dark chocolate with 80% cocoa. That'll knock your socks off.

Ahhhh, chocolate. The ultimate.

re: #189 Russkilitlover

I turned 18 in '79, so I missed most of it, too. But there was enough stuff still around (sex, drugs, rock and roll).

Wait wait wait... they've abolished sex since then?!

Well, dammit, I didn't get the memo, okay? That's my excuse.

It would be trivial for these guys to have gotten modafinil marketed as modafil in India aka provigil. That stuff is good for about 72 hours non-stop before some people begin to hallucinate without other side effects. That and dex are the standard "go" drugs for our military these days. Somehow LSD doesn't fit the model. African tribes and of course the Assassins used pot beforehand as a routine drug before going in and doing their thing.

re: #194 vxbush

For me, the strongest drug I ever take by choice is dark chocolate with 80% cocoa. That'll knock your socks off.

I need a fix!

re: #197 eon

Complaining about not getting a cameo in J.J. Abrams' new movie.

The movie looks good, plot-wise,and the actors do too, (Zoe Saldana as Uhura- wow!), but IMHO the new Enterprise only looks OK from the dorsal up to the saucer. Everything aft and below looks like it was conceived based on a MAD Magazine Star Trek parody strip from the Seventies. Gabe Koerner's version looks a lot better.

/OT (Original Trekkie) geek here

cheers

eon

And apparently Spock is going to have emotions, and he and Kirk are going to fight? That just seems so wrong.

/more of a TNG trekkie, but gaining respect for TOS

re: #185 maddogg

I never used LSD, but a friend of mine who did use it often said the Psilocybin mushrooms scared the hell out of him. Once was enough.

Shrooooooooms!

re: #194 vxbush

For me, the strongest drug I ever take by choice is dark chocolate with 80% cocoa. That'll knock your socks off.

I occasionally have caffeine in my soft drink. When I'm feeling hard-core.

re: #173 Guanxi88

LGF poll.
LSD
yes
no

No, and happy to say the whole drug culture thing sailed happily by without my going on a single cruise. And at my age I sure as hell ain't going to start now.

Unless I wanna be all suicide bomber-like I suppose. They seem to really dig it.

re: #187 Crusty

I take LSD every day. It's the fastest way to get home for me.

(Lake Shore Drive)

Yeah, but the effects of that LSD trip are vastly different than any other variety of LSD. Usually that LSD trip involves the inevitable road rage incident, backups, and jerques du jour.

re: #198 Perplexed

Mid chug. Follow the previous post for jihadis.

Sorry, I tend float in and out as phone calls interrupt.

Lips are sealed

So these guys are now officially banned from the NFL, right?

re: #208 Silhouette

I occasionally have caffeine in my soft drink. When I'm feeling hard-core.

I hear you there. Once I had 2 Dr. Pepper's BACK TO BACK! You would not believe the rush!

re: #183 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Used to love hot head chicks with that.

re: #208 Silhouette

I occasionally have caffeine in my soft drink. When I'm feeling hard-core.

Dude. I drink the soft drink for the caffeine. Gotta have one with the migraine meds when I'm hurtin'.

re: #178 catttt

Fear And Loathing

re: #190 MrSilverDragon

Shot of thorazine, and you're down fast.

/I think I know too much...

I can still recall parts of the dreams I had ... and that was about 36 years ago ... on Bali.

re: #179 vxbush

Good point. I always end up being the designted driver. I like the taste, but don't enjoy the result.

re: #211 buzzsawmonkey

Spies use that, in mole sauce form.

Oh, and I had a very nice mole sauce about two weeks ago......

/happy thoughts

re: #200 gop_patriot

Heh, you beat me to that one.

Never did smoke the opium.

Guess I'm weird like that.

re: #193 Occasional Reader

I was thinking they should be using MTBE* as their drug of choice.

/Methyl-tert-butyl-ether.

re: #206 vxbush

And apparently Spock is going to have emotions, and he and Kirk are going to fight? That just seems so wrong.

I was thinking the same thing about J. J. Abrams directing.

These days I restrict myself to 90 proof Burbon, but I can drink a lot of it.

re: #209 WitchDoctor

Methylene chloride, like all organic chlorine compounds, is some pretty nasty stuff. I used to use it - professionally - to get lacquer, varnish, and paint off furniture. Methylene chloride went on, and the paint, etc, just FELL off, like oatmeal off a spoon.

Odorless, colorless, but you had to suit up like Darth Vader to use it. Oh, and even the tiniest drop on the skin was pure, burning agony; only about a gallon of water would do to flush it off. Nasty, nasty stuff.

But it's good for jihadis, really.

re: #223 Honorary Yooper

I was thinking they should be using MTBE* as their drug of choice.

/Methyl-tert-butyl-ether.

I know what it is, they all had ADD, its just their normal Ritalin (Methylphenidate) prescription!

re: #214 father_of_10

I hear you there. Once I had 2 Dr. Pepper's BACK TO BACK! You would not believe the rush!

You start off as Dr. Pepper, but if you have a "bad trip", out comes Mr. Pibb.

re: #219 hous bin pharteen

Good point. I always end up being the designted driver. I like the taste, but don't enjoy the result.

I prefer sobriety to accident. I have enough medical problems as it is. Alas, a sibling has decided otherwise, and happily indulges at events--but cannot drink those items that the parent used as the preferred intoxicant. Interesting.

re: #216 vxbush

Dude. I drink the soft drink for the caffeine. Gotta have one with the migraine meds when I'm hurtin'.

Used to suffer cluster headaches. After 20 years, found out my neck was "out". Only ever had one since (neck was out, again) in 16 years.

I actually don't drink or abuse drugs. Everything gives me a bad reaction - I apparently am allergic to all of it. They won't even give me a morphine drip in the hospital.

I'll stick with coffee and cigarettes, at least for now.

re: #207 Soona'

Shrooooooooms!

I was in college when a classmate (I didn't know him) collected some 'shrooms on an astronomy field trip. He ate them in the dorm (7th floor) and started tripping bad. His roomies put him to bed and left. He "flew" out the window.

Needless to say...

Both my brother and sister work in medicine. One time my brother told me about Thorazine. His comment: That's one drug they don't have to ever lock up. Even the hard core druggies know enough to avoid that one like the plague.

I did LSD once. There is NO WAY a terrorist would take it to enhance his performance. Not unless they were trying to terrify people by staring at interesting patterns.

re: #42 DeafDog

Black Humor

From Iowahawk about Mumabi massacre

I'm not ready for an Iowahawk Mumbai spoof. Maybe some Steve Erwin jokes.

abuse? Abuse? ABUSE?!?!?

re: #228 Occasional Reader

You start off as Dr. Pepper, but if you have a "bad trip", out comes Mr. Pibb.

Want to be hardcore?
Do the Dew

re: #222 Ben Hur

Never did smoke the opium.

You'll never grow up to be President of the United States with that kind of attitude.

re: #230 A Kiwi Infidel

Used to suffer cluster headaches. After 20 years, found out my neck was "out". Only ever had one since (neck was out, again) in 16 years.

Yeah, I hear you. Mine are hormonal. Let that be a warning--there is something worse than PMS.

I must be the only 20 year old who has never done a drug or smoked a cigarette.

re: #210 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, but the effects of that LSD trip are vastly different than any other variety of LSD. Usually that LSD trip involves the inevitable road rage incident, backups, and jerques du jour.

But they're the same in that you may see a large, chrome kidney bean.

Recently Islam has been at a real loss for volunteer suicide bombers.
Look at the 18 women fooled into it who turned themselves over to the Iraqi/US coalition forces and ratted on the ones who tried to make them do it.
And even among this group who attacked Bombay was at least one young man whose father sold him to the terrorists because they were poor!
So, that being the case LSD might make some sense.

re: #238 Occasional Reader

You'll never grow up to be President of the United States with that kind of attitude.

That's only if one inhales.

re: #223 Honorary Yooper

I was thinking they should be using MTBE* as their drug of choice.

/Methyl-tert-butyl-ether.

Makes jihadis go WOOOOOOOOOF.

re: #240 TheMatrix31

I must be the only 20 year old who has never done a drug or smoked a cigarette.

No, there's others out there.

re: #243 Honorary Yooper

That's only if one inhales.

Hey, with my asthma drugs, I never smoke, but I always inhale.

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

No, there's others out there.

I would hope so. I just eat a lot.

re: #232 OldLineTexan

I was in college when a classmate (I didn't know him) collected some 'shrooms on an astronomy field trip. He ate them in the dorm (7th floor) and started tripping bad. His roomies put him to bed and left. He "flew" out the window.

Needless to say...

Ah, the good ole' days. (not)

re: #247 vxbush

Hey, with my asthma drugs, I never smoke, but I always inhale.

How about those new ''green'' inhalers?
I hear they have no ''puff.''

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of the side effects of LSD is the inability to sleep while under its influence. Thats what one of my stoner buddies from college told me anyways.

Drove up from San Diego to San Francisco one night years ago with a friend. He took acid and fell asleep leaving me bored to tears.

re: #237 Hengineer

Want to be hardcore?
Do the Dew

Double Dew Tuesday!

Don't do drugs, but I know a lot about it. My ex was a drug addict (in recovery now).

I've been literally BEGGED to try LSD. No, no, no, no. Way back when, I tried beer - I blacked out the first time. I tried pot once - had an awful, extreme paranoia reaction. Multiply your normal reaction times 100 - that's how that stuff affected me.

That was IT for me, tyvm - I prefer to remain sane and non-horizontal. Coffee for me, please. Designated driver.

C'mon.

I know that you know that the word "Assassin" comes from the word Hashishin - you know, Islamic Persian "militants."

One of the terrorists was heard to say:

"I smoked some weed. Did a little blow"

btw, oil closed at 47.35 off 3.92% today
gasoline at 1.06 off 4.56%

both as of 16:40 EST

Were they singing Lucy in the sky with diamonds?

I know: that was pretty sick.

re: #239 vxbush

Yeah, I hear you. Mine are hormonal. Let that be a warning--there is something worse than PMS.

Ouch! I'll steer clear of you!

Actually, before I sorted my neck I found the only relief was Bruphen but only if I had them on me and as SOON as I felt the first pang. 2 x 400mg.

re: #203 Occasional Reader

Wait wait wait... they've abolished sex since then?!

Well, dammit, I didn't get the memo, okay? That's my excuse.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You always say that. I am putting you on report to the C.O. and your going to end up on latrine duty.

Sad, sad news today out of San Francisco: One of the most dedicated pro-Israel protesters in the state was found dead at the bottom of an elevator shaft. I just blogged about it at zombietime:

R.I.P. Dan Kliman

We’ve just learned that Dan Kliman, a dedicated pro-Israel protester in San Francisco, and occasional zombietime contributor, was found dead today at the bottom of an elevator shaft:

What's very mysterious is that he was found dead in the same building where he was taking Arabic classes:

Daniel J. Kliman was found dead yesterday at the bottom of an elevator shaft in the building where he was taking Arabic classes.

I will reserve comment until any solid evidence is forthcoming.

re: #240 TheMatrix31

I must be the only 20 year old who has never done a drug or smoked a cigarette.

My 22 year old newly married son is a member of your esteemed club. Way to go!

re: #234 Jimmah

I did LSD once. There is NO WAY a terrorist would take it to enhance his performance. Not unless they were trying to terrify people by staring at interesting patterns.

Terrorist on acid: Wow, man. Look at all the tracers.

re: #214 father_of_10

I hear you there. Once I had 2 Dr. Pepper's BACK TO BACK! You would not believe the rush!

Arrrgh! There is no period after Dr in Dr Pepper.

;-)