IPT: CAIR’s Make or Break Moment

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US News • Wed Dec 3, 2008 at 1:08 pm PST • Views: 197

Now that the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding trial has resulted in convictions, will the unindicted co-conspirators in the case still be treated by the media as legitimate “civil rights organizations?” Steven Emerson says this is CAIR’s Make or Break Moment.

Recently, we lightly mocked the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) for its quick condemnation of Al-Qaeda No. 2 man Ayman Al-Zawahiri’s slur of President-Elect Barack Obama as a “house Negro.” Way to take the hard stand, folks.

Our point was serious though. If CAIR wants to be accepted as the mainstream Muslim-American civil rights advocacy organization that it claims to be, it must take an unequivocal stand against terror from all actors, including those who kill, and those who enable the killers, in the name of Palestinian liberation.

It has never done so. And evidence unveiled at the Hamas-support trial of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF) shows why. CAIR was born of an effort to support Hamas in America – its founders part of the Palestine Committee who agreed in 1993 that a prospective peace deal was bad and who saw the need for a new organization to bring their message, surreptitiously, to Washington.

HLF now stands guilty of routing more than $12 million to benefit Hamas through a series of Palestinian charities. As witnesses like Matthew Levitt and Bruce Hoffman testified, that support – even when channeled to humanitarian needs – is crucial in winning popular support for the terrorist group responsible for it.

And, as the evidence made clear, the view about HLF and the charities it supported was not merely an Israeli belief. Palestinian Authority security documents reach the same conclusion. That took away a key defense argument from the first HLF trial, which ended in a mistrial last year.

Quite simply, it is time to move past the reflexive and discredited denials. If CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) want to show that we’re wrong when we consider them terror apologists, they can start by offering unequivocal endorsements of the jury’s verdict and their respect for the justice system even when it disappoints them.

Don’t hold your breath. On Wednesday, CAIR issued a brief statement…

Read the whole thing…

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1 lifeofthemind  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:09:58pm

Speaking of boob threads.

2 Kragar  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:10:10pm

I vote for Break

3 Bob Dillon  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:10:53pm

I'm pulling for Break!

4 sdkruiser  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:11:50pm

Media pulling for Make.

5 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:12:04pm

This article is nothing more than Terrorism by a well-known Islamophobe.
/Cair

6 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:13:41pm

"We believe this case was based more on fear-mongering than on the facts. It is particularly troubling that the government chose to use testimony from an anonymous witness, which deprives the defendants of their full right to confront behead their accusers. We expect the defendants to appeal this verdict and believe that it will eventually be overturned."

fixed

7 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:13:59pm

Since LGF has a large amount of newbies, I offer the following for their CAIR Music enjoyment:

Stuck Mojo: Open Season-CAIR Remix

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:14:08pm

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.

9 bosforus  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:15:02pm

With the HLF out of the way all eyes are on CAIR.

10 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:15:07pm

re: #8 Charles

So does that mean we will be getting back colors, font sizes, and other toys?

11 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:15:15pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.


Don't forget to tip your "server"...

12 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:15:38pm

No chance that the media will start treating CAIR and its mouthpieces as toxic.

13 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:16:04pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.


No s#$@ Charles. This thing was so poky earlier I had to resort to reading dKos :.) It seems to be screaming now that you killed the bugs. Thanks, but now I'm really going to fall behind in the threads.

14 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:16:13pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.

It's beautiful, thanks.

15 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:16:32pm

If CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) want to show that we’re wrong when we consider them terror apologists, they can start by offering unequivocal endorsements of the jury’s verdict and their respect for the justice system even when it disappoints them.

That will never happen. They will claim islamophobia and racism.

16 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:16:47pm

Golly- none of the little grievance theater supporting cast members seem real happy with this verdict.

Huh. You'd think they'd be happy to see people who distort their fine, peaceful religion stopped.

17 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:16:48pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.

Yes it is.

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:17:11pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.

*rimshot* Charles
Doin' GREAT!

19 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:17:50pm

re: #12 lawhawk

If they cannot admit (even after the Terrorists themselves did) that the Terrorists of Mumbai were actually Islamic and Terrorists...

we shouldn't expect them to go after a "Civil Rights Organization".

20 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:18:04pm

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

It's beautiful, thanks.

It's like we got Christmas early!

21 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:18:43pm

It's time for some incairceration.

22 Occasional Reader  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:19:13pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.

I CAST THEE OUT!

23 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:19:33pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

I CAST THEE OUT!

Bobby?

24 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:19:57pm

re: #21 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's time for some incairceration.

an a terrorist supporting cairacterization

25 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:20:11pm

re: #8 Charles

Yes it is. The only problem now is that if you step away from a thread for more than 5 minutes you get left hopelessly behind.

Speaking of which, time to put the laundry in the dryer.

brb

26 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:20:25pm

Break! Break! Break!

27 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:20:50pm

re: #22 Occasional Reader

I don't care how good that beer is...You need HOLY WATER!

28 dhg4  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:21:02pm

I pointed out that CAIR's response to the HLF trial was a lot more emphatic than its eventual (equivocating) response to the Mumbai terror. (The statement that was eventually posted didn't note that Jews were targeted and expressed as much fear of a backlash as it did of revulsion to the terror. Even a statement supporting the decision by a Muslim burial society in India not to accept the terrorists was missing.)

Judeopundit noted that MPAC-UK rationalized the terror.

29 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:21:10pm

In search of the Moderate Muslim voice against terror. . .

30 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:21:24pm

Has CAIR made a statement about the Chabad murders or did they issue their SSDD one-size-fits-all weasel words crying about "backlash"?

31 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:22:20pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

Golly- none of the little grievance theater supporting cast members seem real happy with this verdict.

Huh. You'd think they'd be happy to see people who distort their fine, peaceful religion stopped.

SNAP- GOOD point

32 dhg4  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:22:29pm

re: #30 Alouette

Has CAIR made a statement about the Chabad murders or did they issue their SSDD one-size-fits-all weasel words crying about "backlash"?

Exactly right.

See above.

33 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:22:39pm

re: #25 Bubblehead II

Yes it is. The only problem now is that if you step away from a thread for more than 5 minutes you get left hopelessly behind.

Speaking of which, time to put the laundry in the dryer.

brb

It's the hyper-threading.

34 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:22:42pm

re: #30 Alouette

Has CAIR made a statement about the Chabad murders or did they issue their SSDD one-size-fits-all weasel words crying about "backlash"?

***crickets***

35 solomonpanting  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:23:34pm

All one needs to know:

its founders part of the Palestine Committee who agreed in 1993 that a prospective peace deal was bad

36 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:23:49pm

re: #30 Alouette

Has CAIR made a statement about the Chabad murders or did they issue their SSDD one-size-fits-all weasel words crying about "backlash"?

Yes.

/three guesses, and your first two don't count

37 Long Nics are Looonnng  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:24:20pm

re: #30 Alouette

"one-size-fits-all weasel words"

That Longfellow?

38 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:25:05pm

re: #35 solomonpanting

All one needs to know:

its founders part of the Palestine Committee who agreed in 1993 that a prospective peace deal was bad

Israeli Land addiction was the main reason it was bad. . .allowed Jews room and the continued option to breathe. . .

39 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:25:12pm
40 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:25:17pm

re: #31 DisturbedEma

I mean, really- if terrorists don't speak for islam, like we're told, don't you think they'd be happy to see the money men supporting terrorists stopped?

They must be trying to control their glee- yeah. That's the ticket.

41 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:25:18pm

re: #29 DisturbedEma

In search of the Moderate Muslim voice against terror. . .

Steven Emerson quoted one in the article linked above.

M. Zuhdi Jasser, founder of the American-Islamic Forum for Democracy, which is dedicated to combating the Islamist influence in American politics and culture, issued a statement hailing the verdict and challenging those who seek to case this as a campaign victimizing the American Muslim community
43 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:25:47pm

re: #36 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes.

/three guesses, and your first two don't count

Yeah- don't judge us by these actions- judge us by our tacit support of these actions. . .

44 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:26:20pm
Don't hold your breath. On Wednesday, CAIR issued a brief statement:

"We believe this case was based more on fear-mongering than on the facts. It is particularly troubling that the government chose to use testimony from an anonymous witness, which deprives the defendants of their full right to confront their accusers. We expect the defendants to appeal this verdict and believe that it will eventually be overturned."

It took them two days for them to come up with that.

It took them two days to shred everything.

45 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:26:41pm

re: #20 Sharmuta

It's like we got Christmas early!

Yep, but this Saint Nick is a lot faster and sleeker than the Jolly Old Elf. LGF is now as fast as a lizard in heat.

46 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:26:52pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

I want a more vocal, and active response to these horrible acts of murder. . .call me greedy, but they tortured a pregnant woman. . .

47 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:27:26pm
48 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:27:29pm

re: #34 DisturbedEma

***crickets***

Here it is:

“We condemn these cowardly attacks and demand that all hostages taken by the attackers be released immediately and unconditionally. We offer sincere condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured in these senseless and inexcusable acts of violence against innocent civilians. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens of all faiths in repudiating acts of terror wherever they take place and whomever they target.”

49 solomonpanting  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:27:52pm

re: #38 DisturbedEma

Israeli Land addiction was the main reason it was bad. . .allowed Jews room and the continued option to breathe. . .

Then the line should be

its founders part of the Palestine Committee who agreed in 1993 that a prospective peace deal Israel's existence was bad

50 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:28:03pm

re: #45 Honorary Yooper

LGF is now as fast as a lizard in heat.

Watch out for butt wiggle.

51 Ben Hur  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:28:07pm

re: #48 turn


wherever they take place and whomever they target.”

Escape hatch.

52 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:28:28pm

re: #47 Iron Fist

Ed would shit gold bricks, if that happens. Which would make it worth doing, just out of spite :-)

LOL! I'd love to see it when Ed can't use it. Frickin' narcissistic backstabber.

53 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:28:56pm

We can only hope that Arabia's rocs come home to roost.

/was that sin bad? ... serious subject, but the last thread got me going

54 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:29:04pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

Watch out for butt wiggle.

Thread leakage!

55 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:29:07pm

re: #48 turn

Here it is:

“We condemn these cowardly attacks and demand that all hostages taken by the attackers be released immediately and unconditionally. We offer sincere condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured in these senseless and inexcusable acts of violence against innocent civilians. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens of all faiths in repudiating acts of terror wherever they take place and whomever they target.”

Very bland for thei Jew's taste. . .I want more specific wording, and I want the words Jewish innocents used. . .

56 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:29:18pm

when an NBC reporter asked ibrahim hooper in a telephone interview, if either he or cair would condemn hamas or hizballah, he hung up.
wimp

57 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:29:29pm

re: #47 Iron Fist

Ed would shit gold bricks, if that happens. Which would make it worth doing, just out of spite :-)

I'd love the colors option back, but I would bet everything I have against it happening.

58 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #55 DisturbedEma

Very bland for thei Jew's taste. . .I want more specific wording, and I want the words Jewish innocents used. . .


this Jew's taste

59 debutaunt  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:29:58pm

This is really, really fast!

60 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:30:26pm

re: #56 nyc redneck

when an NBC reporter asked ibrahim hooper in a telephone interview, if either he or cair would condemn hamas or hizballah, he hung up.
wimp

See THAT is the real story and the real deal. . .not these vapid and useless 'condemnations'- their actions speak louder than their empty words. .

61 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:31:44pm
62 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:32:05pm

re: #51 Ben Hur

Escape hatch.

whomever they target - gotta chuckle on that one. After all it is a religion of peace, right?

63 Russkilitlover  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:32:13pm

re: #55 DisturbedEma

Very bland for thei Jew's taste. . .I want more specific wording, and I want the words Jewish innocents used. . .

Forget about CAIR - We can't even get our own media to use such specific wording.

64 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:32:14pm
65 Kenneth  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:32:44pm

Meanwhile, about the Liberal/NDP/Bloc Putsch to bring down the Harper gov't

Coalition would 'weaken' Canada: Harper

Harper to address nation tonight as coalition leaders jockey for air time

66 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:33:06pm

We unequivocally condemn all terrorism. Terrorism is a scourge of the world and it is strictly forbidden to the observant Muslim.

And just to be clear, "terrorism" includes any defamation of the HP PBUH, any defamation of Islam, and most particularly, any insinuation that anybody did anything wrong in Mumbai. Resistance to brutal oppression by Indian Hindus, Christians, Jews, tourists, and patients at a hospital for women and children is not terrorism.

/CAIR

67 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:33:48pm

re: #55 DisturbedEma

Very bland for thei Jew's taste. . .I want more specific wording, and I want the words Jewish innocents used. . .

Hey ema if you don't mind I've been meaning to ask you, just what is it that disturbs you?

68 vxbush  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:34:04pm

Personally, I welcome our new server overlord.

/

69 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:34:56pm

re: #8 Charles

Wow. This new server is a speed demon.

Go Speed Racer

70 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:35:01pm

re: #48 turn

Here it is:

“We condemn these cowardly attacks and demand that all hostages taken by the attackers be released immediately and unconditionally. We offer sincere condolences to the loved ones of those killed or injured in these senseless and inexcusable acts of violence against innocent civilians. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens of all faiths in repudiating acts of terror wherever they take place and whomever they target.”

That's what I mean, that's their standard boilerplate. They never, ever condemn acts of terror committed by Muslims, it's always very generic and one-size-fits all. They probably had Kasab (the surviving terrorist in Indian custody) in mind when making this statement.

71 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:35:16pm

re: #68 vxbush

Personally, I welcome our new server overlord.

/

Oyah?

72 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:36:11pm

re: #64 taxfreekiller

The choice of silence was made years ago,
the decision of "no decision" was made long ago,
the killing goes on, the terror goes on, the head chopping goes on
the bombs go off, the planes are crashed, the ships are high-jacked,
the riots are planed, the fear grows, the hate gets supercharged,

only question that remains is the tipping point,
it comes sure as the sun comes up each day
the time comes when the others "the real victims"
of all of the above will have had enough of it all.

tick tock

Hopefully by then it won't be too late.

73 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:36:12pm

re: #68 vxbush

Personally, I welcome our new server overlord.

/

"Bow down to the one you serve, You're going to get what you deserve..."

/well maybe we don't deserve it?

74 Sharmuta  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:36:26pm

I'm kidding, VX- that lol cat is really for CAIR.

75 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:36:26pm

Ibrahim, would you care to comment?

/no I didn't think so.

76 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:37:00pm
77 vxbush  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:37:55pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

I'm kidding, VX- that lol cat is really for CAIR.

Oh, I love it. My cat would do that to me if she could, from time to time. :D

78 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:38:35pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

And yet another Wonderful Thing we can thank the Carter Administration for:

I'm sure Obambi will get right on this.

The Gatun Locks will provide a great photo op for our Intel guys, I hope they are on it.

79 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:38:41pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

And yet another Wonderful Thing we can thank the Carter Administration for:

I'm sure Obambi will get right on this.

And get it wrong. And we won't like it.

--Biden

80 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:39:42pm

re: #70 Alouette

That's what I mean, that's their standard boilerplate. They never, ever condemn acts of terror committed by Muslims, it's always very generic and one-size-fits all. They probably had Kasab (the surviving terrorist in Indian custody) in mind when making this statement.

Alouette, I'm going to sound like a complete dunce here but I've been away from LGF and the boob tube throughout most of the Mumbia terror attack. Sort of been too busy today to search this but did the terrorist waste all the hostages?

81 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:39:42pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

And yet another Wonderful Thing we can thank the Carter Administration for:

I'm sure Obambi will get right on this.

Congratulations will be in order from the "Office of the President-Elect".

82 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:40:34pm

re: #70 Alouette

That's what I mean, that's their standard boilerplate. They never, ever condemn acts of terror committed by Muslims, it's always very generic and one-size-fits all. They probably had Kasab (the surviving terrorist in Indian custody) in mind when making this statement.

You also notice that they never mention a terrorist's name in their condemnations.

83 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:40:43pm

re: #80 turn

Alouette, I'm going to sound like a complete dunce here but I've been away from LGF and the boob tube throughout most of the Mumbia terror attack. Sort of been too busy today to search this but did the terrorist waste all the hostages?

Not only wasted, but tortured.

84 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:40:58pm

re: #79 midwestgak

And get it wrong. And we won't like it.

--Biden

But we'll have to trust him despite it.

85 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:41:52pm

re: #83 Thanos

Not only wasted, but tortured.

Oh shit .. and most were Brits and Americans?

86 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:41:52pm

re: #84 Hengineer

But we'll have to trust him despite it.

Kinda sounds insane, don't it?

87 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:41:59pm

re: #82 Hengineer

As many have said here, CAIR's "condemnation" purposefully depends 100% on what THEY consider "Terrorism".

I'm sure if asked they would consider the building of homes in Judea or Samaria to be "Terrorism".

Its a very well sounding statement that means absolutely nothing.

89 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:42:31pm

re: #65 Kenneth

Meanwhile, about the Liberal/NDP/Bloc Putsch to bring down the Harper gov't

Coalition would 'weaken' Canada: Harper

Harper to address nation tonight as coalition leaders jockey for air time

What a damn mess this has become. Almost scary.

How about we form a new country?

Saskatchewan, Alberta, BC and Alaska join together - that should work.

90 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:42:32pm
91 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:42:43pm

re: #85 turn

Oh shit .. and most were Brits and Americans?

I'm talking about the Chabad / Nariman house hostages, the others were mostly just murdered.

92 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:42:56pm

re: #87 WrathofG-d

Its a very well sounding statement that means absolutely nothing.

Are you talking about Obama?/

93 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:42:58pm

re: #83 Thanos

Not only wasted, but tortured.

Well only the jewish ones

94 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:43:10pm

re: #70 Alouette

And of course they cannot just come and and express remorse for all the victims there is always the "innocent victim" clause which raises the question of who exactly do they consider "innocent civilians"

95 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:43:20pm

re: #83 Thanos

Not only wasted, but tortured.


I was hoping the Indian crack troops would do a quick surge and actually risk loosing some of the hostages in the hopes they all wouldn't get wiped out as the crisis drew on.

96 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:43:30pm

re: #82 Hengineer

You also notice that they never mention a terrorist's name in their condemnations.

They never mention a victim's name either. Especially not if the victims are Jews. And they are very crafty to condemn "terrorism on all sides."

97 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:44:03pm

re: #46 DisturbedEma

I want a more vocal, and active response to these horrible acts of murder. . .call me greedy, but they tortured a pregnant woman. . .

i don't think we are going to get any heartfelt sincere statements from moslem countries. mostly they are concerned abt. direct repercussions to them because they fund or support the terrorists in their midsts. and they are worried abt; blowback from their homegrown jihadis as well as the people these scum attack.
we will reach a point where someone will go ape on on these savages, tho. the terrorist scum will eventually push us to the point where the phrase, "you're either /us or you're against us," will have teeth.
and state sponsors will receive a reckoning. if they can't control their monsters, the civilized world will have to.

98 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:45:09pm

re: #96 Alouette

They never mention a victim's name either. Especially not if the victims are Jews. And they are very crafty to condemn "terrorism on all sides."

baby and the bath water.

99 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:45:26pm

re: #95 turn

I was hoping the Indian crack troops would do a quick surge and actually risk loosing some of the hostages in the hopes they all wouldn't get wiped out as the crisis drew on.

They tried that but the terrorists had some hideouts, the layout of the hotels, and weapons cached. They ended up playing tag with them for three days almost.

100 itellu3times  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:45:39pm

holy guacamole this new server is fast!

101 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:45:56pm

re: #88 Alouette

Sunflower seed packets decorated with anti-Semitic cartoon found at Net Cost in Brooklyn

WOW. A choice quote:

At three of the four locations, consumers who spent $50 or more were given the package of seeds as a promotional gift right at the checkout counter.

Net Cost Market bills itself as the “Costco of the ethnic Eastern European market,” and offers a wide assortment of imports from all over Eastern Europe. The roasted sunflower seeds are produced in the Former Soviet Union by Kremlin Kitchen. “I was not surprised to learn that this anti-Semitic product is being made in Russia,” said Hikind. “Recent reports indicate that attacks on Russia's Jewish population and their property have increased in both number and severity. Kremlin Kitchen is trying to capitalize on this existing wave of anti-Semitic sentiment with the Russian-American community.

102 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:46:05pm

re: #94 bulwrk

And of course they cannot just come and and express remorse for all the victims there is always the "innocent victim" clause which raises the question of who exactly do they consider "innocent civilians"

I think we all know what "innocent civilians" means in the Muslim world.

103 Buck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:46:16pm
104 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:46:51pm

re: #100 itellu3times

holy guacamole this new server is fast!

Bat Man!

105 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:47:18pm

re: #89 2SoonOld2LateSmart

What a damn mess this has become. Almost scary.

How about we form a new country?

Saskatchewan, Alberta, BC and Alaska join together - that should work.

United North America

106 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:47:20pm

re: #73 eschew_obfuscation

Bow down before the one you serve... you're going to get what you deserve.

107 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:48:14pm

re: #63 Russkilitlover

Forget about CAIR - We can't even get our own media to use such specific wording.

MSM has no idealistic stake in Muslim image. . .

108 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:48:27pm

re: #99 Thanos

They tried that but the terrorists had some hideouts, the layout of the hotels, and weapons cached. They ended up playing tag with them for three days almost.

So this was very coordinated, and likely supported by the work of the Pakistan's intelligence service as was rumored here when this thing broke. I've got to go back and read the posts from last week about this when I find time.

109 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:48:44pm

re: #104 midwestgak

Bat Man!

Considering he said Guacamole:

Holy Guacamole Taco Man!

110 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:48:52pm

re: #106 lawhawk

Bow down before the one you serve... you're going to get what you deserve.

Head like a hole, black as your soul- I'd rather die than give you control. . .EXCELLENT SONG

111 bulwrk  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:49:19pm

re: #102 Soona'

Any Jew hating muslim who accidentally was killed would be my first guess.

112 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:49:28pm

re: #110 DisturbedEma

Head like a hole, black as your soul- I'd rather die than give you control. . .EXCELLENT SONG

mmm NIN feeds my soul.

113 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:49:41pm

re: #108 turn

So this was very coordinated, and likely supported by the work of the Pakistan's intelligence service as was rumored here when this thing broke. I've got to go back and read the posts from last week about this when I find time.

3 of them stayed with Chabadniks for recon purposes. . .

114 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:49:59pm

re: #106 lawhawk

Sadly, it looks like Trent is a raving moonbat and has a wee bit of BDS. Wonder how he's going to respond now that Obama is going to be running the show...

115 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:50:07pm

re: #108 turn

So this was very coordinated, and likely supported by the work of the Pakistan's intelligence service as was rumored here when this thing broke. I've got to go back and read the posts from last week about this when I find time.

Very coordinated, LeT fingerprints, so far no proof that ISI was involved, and I doubt they were unless it was a renegade or two. Right now Pak needs trade with India desperately bad.

116 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:50:15pm

re: #112 Hengineer

mmm NIN feeds my soul.

Mine too. . .TRENT. . .sigh, I mean grrr, my angst!

117 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:50:32pm

Wow, even following the links that are posted in the comments here is like lightening now. Kewell ...

118 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:50:35pm

re: #110 DisturbedEma

Because of my undying connection to this new server I am going to bow down in the opposite direction of the server. (that is how you show connection to something isn't it?)

119 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:51:06pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Sadly, it looks like Trent is a raving moonbat and has a wee bit of BDS. Wonder how he's going to respond now that Obama is going to be running the show...

I hate to nitpick again, but NOT YET.

Still has a whole month and a half to go.

120 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:51:17pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Sadly, it looks like Trent is a raving moonbat and has a wee bit of BDS. Wonder how he's going to respond now that Obama is going to be running the show...

he will be out of business, and a new version of Hootie and the Blowfish will emerge, and hey, there is always the omantra. . .should be the new anthem by next fall. . .

121 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:51:18pm

I would have loved to have seen a few CAIR officers get indicted and have their jihadi asses hauled away to the penitentiary.

122 Rancher  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:51:27pm

The American-Islamic Forum for Democracy. These folks need and are worthy of our support.

123 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:51:41pm

re: #118 WrathofG-d

Because of my undying connection to this new server I am going to bow down in the opposite direction of the server. (that is how you show connection to something isn't it?)

Bow down and assume the position!

124 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:51:58pm

OT: My wife is on with the kids in WoW, their guild is mostly marines, one of our Afghanistan bases got attacked today from the chatter.

125 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:52:17pm

re: #121 Spare O'Lake

I would have loved to have seen a few CAIR officers get indicted and have their jihadi asses hauled away to the penitentiary.

RACIST!

/s

126 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:52:19pm

re: #118 WrathofG-d

Because of my undying connection to this new server I am going to bow down in the opposite direction of the server. (that is how you show connection to something isn't it?)

I like the way you think! I am bowing away from the screen to show my. . .wait

127 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:52:30pm

re: #113 DisturbedEma

3 of them stayed with Chabadniks for recon purposes. . .

Were did you read that?

128 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:52:58pm

re: #111 bulwrk

Any Jew hating muslim who accidentally was killed would be my first guess.

Or any bomb-wearing splodeydope that gets shot before he can light the fuse.

129 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:04pm

re: #124 Thanos

OT: My wife is on with the kids in WoW, their guild is mostly marines, one of our Afghanistan bases got attacked today from the chatter.

WoW is the true enemy.

130 DisturbedEma  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:09pm

re: #124 Thanos

OT: My wife is on with the kids in WoW, their guild is mostly marines, one of our Afghanistan bases got attacked today from the chatter.

OMG- have to check on my son. . .


I am out

131 JCM  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:28pm

re: #122 Rancher

The American-Islamic Forum for Democracy. These folks need and are worthy of our support.

A jury of their peers rightly convicts the defendants on all counts. Exposing ideology works.
AIFD

I've heard Dr. Jasser on the radio several times. He and AIFD deserve our support.

132 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:44pm

re: #130 DisturbedEma

OMG- have to check on my son. . .


I am out

Good luck Hope all is well.

133 Kragar  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:50pm

re: #129 Hengineer

WoW is the true enemy.

SILENCE

134 JCM  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:55pm

re: #122 Rancher

Did Rustler catch the open reg. last night?

135 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:53:55pm

re: #113 DisturbedEma

3 of them stayed with Chabadniks for recon purposes. . .

Sorry had to google that, Jewish missionaries. No kidding? Just curious, how many of the hostages were Jews?

136 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:55:04pm

I'm out for a bit, time to set up the tree.

137 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:55:06pm

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SILENCE

Too bad, my constitution allows me to block up to +8 commands of Silence.

138 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:55:12pm

re: #88 Alouette

Sunflower seed packets decorated with anti-Semitic cartoon found at Net Cost in Brooklyn

now, imagine if this was a black-face caricature or a moslem cartoon.
it would be front page nyt, above the fold.
spit

139 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:56:11pm

re: #126 DisturbedEma

I like the way you think! I am bowing away from the screen to show my. . .wait

I wish you'd turned off the webcam before you did that!

140 Kragar  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:56:17pm

re: #137 Hengineer

Too bad, my constitution allows me to block up to +8 commands of Silence.

You're think D+D 3rd edition. Meanwhile, I'm specced for Silence, so SILENCE

141 Look At My New Grandbaby!  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:56:38pm

re: #135 turn

Sorry had to google that, Jewish missionaries. No kidding? Just curious, how many of the hostages were Jews?

7 Jews, including the unborn fetus.

142 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:57:16pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're think D+D 3rd edition. Meanwhile, I'm specced for Silence, so SILENCE

Ok fine,

-log off LGF Server #1
-Log on LGF Server #2

?

143 midwestgak  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:57:59pm

bbl

144 dhg4  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:58:16pm

re: #135 turn

Sorry had to google that, Jewish missionaries. No kidding? Just curious, how many of the hostages were Jews?

Though I'm not sure there's a better word, they weren't hostages. The Chabad center was taken over for the purpose of killing those there. The word "hostage" suggests that they were captured for leverage in some sort of bargaining.

I believe a total of 7 or 8 people were killed in the Chabad center.

145 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:58:22pm

re: #140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're think D+D 3rd edition. Meanwhile, I'm specced for Silence, so SILENCE

btw, upding for being geekier than me, I was just bullshitting.

146 unreconstructed rebel  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:58:28pm

Me too. 'Nite all.

147 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:58:36pm
148 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 1:59:21pm

re: #141 Alouette

7 Jews, including the unborn fetus.

Killed a pregnant woman too, didn't hear that either. Savages.

149 Nevergiveup  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:00:00pm

re: #148 turn

Killed a pregnant woman too, didn't hear that either. Savages.

The wife of the Chabad Rabbi was 5 months pregnant

150 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:00:37pm
151 Kragar  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:01:43pm

re: #145 Hengineer

btw, upding for being geekier than me, I was just bullshitting.

I am a bottomless well of trivia and gamer knowledge

152 JCM  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:02:40pm

re: #148 turn

Killed a pregnant woman too, didn't hear that either. Savages.

Pregnant women = Jewish Baby factory.

The savages are insulted.

Pustulent, oozing sores on hemorrhoid on the anus of a savage.

153 vxbush  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:02:42pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am a bottomless well of trivia and gamer knowledge

Well, you're not good for anything else.

/totally joking!

154 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:03:19pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I am a bottomless well of trivia and gamer knowledge

I'm a small wealth of computer gaming knowledge, mostly RTS's, and a small few FPS's..

155 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:03:50pm

re: #148 turn

Killed a pregnant woman too, didn't hear that either. Savages.

It's strange, now that I think about it. I've heard a lot of reporting from the MSM and cable channels on the Mumbai attacks, but nowhere I have I seen or read (other than LGF) about any general outrage over this. Is it just my perception or have I missed something here.

156 vxbush  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:04:14pm

Whoa...it seems awfully quiet in here now. What did I do?

157 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:04:20pm

re: #144 dhg4

Though I'm not sure there's a better word, they weren't hostages. The Chabad center was taken over for the purpose of killing those there. The word "hostage" suggests that they were captured for leverage in some sort of bargaining.

I believe a total of 7 or 8 people were killed in the Chabad center.

Yes it appears from your link that hostages in not a very good term for someone who has just been killed in cold blood. OMG, it was worse that I thought:

"Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said.

158 Hengineer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:04:27pm

re: #155 Soona'

It's strange, now that I think about it. I've heard a lot of reporting from the MSM and cable channels on the Mumbai attacks, but nowhere I have I seen or read (other than LGF) about any general outrage over this. Is it just my perception or have I missed something here.

Define "General Outrage"

Besides, they're evil Capitalists...

159 WrathofG-d  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:04:40pm

OT (but noone is discussing CAIR anyway)

If this woman is religious, then what this male police office is doing to her is "humiliation", "assault", and an offense to her modesty.

You NEVER see an Israeli police officer grab a Muslim like this, and yet the media still reports the Israeli police or IDF to be "humiliation", "discrimination", "assault", and a horrible religious disgrace.

They do to their own what they would NEVER do to their enemy.

(I should point out the MSM use of the dehumanizing "settler" instead of "youth" or "woman".)

160 JCM  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:05:01pm

re: #155 Soona'

It's strange, now that I think about it. I've heard a lot of reporting from the MSM and cable channels on the Mumbai attacks, but nowhere I have I seen or read (other than LGF) about any general outrage over this. Is it just my perception or have I missed something here.

It would diminish the "freedom fighter" image the media so carefully cultivates for their new overlords.

161 DeafDog  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:05:35pm

re: #156 vxbush

Whoa...it seems awfully quiet in here now. What did I do?

It usually get quiet right before the Indians attack

162 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:05:46pm

re: #152 JCM

Pregnant women = Jewish Baby factory.

The savages are insulted.

Pustulent, oozing sores on hemorrhoid on the anus of a savage.

Rotating title? Very descriptive ...

163 dhg4  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:06:20pm

re: #157 turn

Yes it appears from your link that hostages in not a very good term for someone who has just been killed in cold blood. OMG, it was worse that I thought:

"Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said.

And from what I've heard, the two year old might have seen it all.

164 Kragar  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:06:27pm

re: #155 Soona'

It's strange, now that I think about it. I've heard a lot of reporting from the MSM and cable channels on the Mumbai attacks, but nowhere I have I seen or read (other than LGF) about any general outrage over this. Is it just my perception or have I missed something here.

Reporting on that or any other details of the attack could lead to bad feelings and people getting upset. I heard a report talking about the "Mumbai Tragedy" like it might as well have been a plane crash or natural disaster, with so many lives lost during the "incident". There is an active attempt to minimize and reduce the attack to nothing more than a blip.

165 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:06:40pm
166 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:07:50pm

Good evening, Lizards.

167 nyc redneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:08:40pm

they are not going to take hostages.
hostage implies bargaining power. that someone wants to live.
these death cultists do not want to live.
this has to be accepted as fact if we want to save lives.
time is of the essence in rescuing people from the clutches of these monsters.

168 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:08:42pm

re: #166 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Good evening, Goddess (in unison).
;-)

169 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:09:10pm
170 dhg4  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:09:24pm

re: #159 WrathofG-d

OT (but noone is discussing CAIR anyway)

If this woman is religious, then what this male police office is doing to her is "humiliation", "assault", and an offense to her modesty.

Snapped Shot's been on this too.

You NEVER see an Israeli police officer grab a Muslim like this, and yet the media still reports the Israeli police or IDF to be "humiliation", "discrimination", "assault", and a horrible religious disgrace.

They do to their own what they would NEVER do to their enemy.

(I should point out the MSM use of the dehumanizing "settler" instead of "youth" or "woman".)

171 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:09:51pm

re: #168 redstateredneck

Good evening, Goddess (in unison).
;-)

{redstateredneck}!

172 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:10:43pm

re: #158 Hengineer

Define "General Outrage"

Besides, they're evil Capitalists...

Like the outrage of 9/11,the Okla. City bombing, and the bombing in Bali. Maybe I'm expecting way too much.

173 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:11:22pm

re: #155 Soona'

It's strange, now that I think about it. I've heard a lot of reporting from the MSM and cable channels on the Mumbai attacks, but nowhere I have I seen or read (other than LGF) about any general outrage over this. Is it just my perception or have I missed something here.

Believe me, I'm not the one to ask. I've been way out of the LGF loop on this one. But from what I've seen on the MSM news this morning it's kind of like "it's over now, let's all just move along now". Sort of related, I got bored watching the spinning wheel of death here earlier so I checked out dKos. There was some post where the poster squirmed about dismissing the threat of terrorism too early. What does it take to wake the left the f#$@ up about this threat short of another fricking 9/11?

174 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:13:02pm

re: #166 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Good Evening.
I been waiting ... waiting ...
I iz hungre

175 Soona'  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:13:13pm

re: #165 buzzsawmonkey

Not to worry. They have old equipment and probably won't fire even when they have a clear shot.

I mean, like, they only have bows and arrows, right?
/Custer off

176 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:14:19pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reporting on that or any other details of the attack could lead to bad feelings and people getting upset. I heard a report talking about the "Mumbai Tragedy" like it might as well have been a plane crash or natural disaster, with so many lives lost during the "incident". There is an active attempt to minimize and reduce the attack to nothing more than a blip.

Why is this Kragar?

177 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:14:24pm

re: #174 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good Evening.
I been waiting ... waiting ...
I iz hungre

Was that a threat?

178 Solomon2  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:14:58pm
179 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:15:21pm
180 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:15:23pm

re: #173 turn

Believe me, I'm not the one to ask. I've been way out of the LGF loop on this one. But from what I've seen on the MSM news this morning it's kind of like "it's over now, let's all just move along now". Sort of related, I got bored watching the spinning wheel of death here earlier so I checked out dKos. There was some post where the poster squirmed about dismissing the threat of terrorism too early. What does it take to wake the left the f#$@ up about this threat short of another fricking 9/11?

It's as if the collective consciousness has attention deficit disorder. It happens, everyone say's, "OMG, that's terrible," and then it's over and they're all on to something else.

181 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:15:28pm

re: #177 goddessoftheclassroom

Was that a threat?

MWAH!
I surrender!

182 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:16:22pm

re: #166 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Hi goddess. What's your take on the Mumbai terrorism attack incident?

/edits by AP

183 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:17:10pm

re: #177 goddessoftheclassroom

Was that a threat?

i iz askeered.

184 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:17:12pm

re: #155 Soona'

It's strange, now that I think about it. I've heard a lot of reporting from the MSM and cable channels on the Mumbai attacks, but nowhere I have I seen or read (other than LGF) about any general outrage over this. Is it just my perception or have I missed something here.

Here's some outrage from the Indian public

185 turn  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:18:16pm

re: #180 redstateredneck

It's as if the collective consciousness has attention deficit disorder. It happens, everyone say's, "OMG, that's terrible," and then it's over and they're all on to something else.

I think Dr. Sanity did a great study on this long ago, classic case of denial.

186 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:21:09pm

re: #185 turn

I think Dr. Sanity did a great study on this long ago, classic case of denial.

As a defense mechanism? This is too terrible to deal with so I'll just pretend it didn't happen? I can see that. Not me, I'll never forget, but your average person, yes.

187 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:21:14pm

re: #182 turn

Hi goddess. What's your take on the Mumbai terrorism attack incident?

/edits by AP

My take? An act of evil by those consumed with evil. A dear friend of mine remarked that it only takes a person's believing one lie for Satan to enter his or her heart, and these attacks clearly demonstrate that.

188 redstateredneck  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:24:12pm

I'm outta here.
Later, lizards.

189 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:25:11pm
190 golly_wog  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:26:54pm

I have been holding off making this comment, but here goes because it drives me nuts to see this:

There is no such word as noone, unless it's French or something for the middle of the day.

And just to be super pissy, separate has two a's in it. Protect me goddess.

191 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:31:51pm
192 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:32:50pm

re: #190 golly_wog

I have been holding off making this comment, but here goes because it drives me nuts to see this:

There is no such word as noone, unless it's French or something for the middle of the day.

And just to be super pissy, separate has two a's in it. Protect me goddess.

Since you've invoked me:

You're absolutely correct: "no one" is correct. "None" is the contraction, even though the apostrophe got lost along the way.

"Separate" has A RAT in it. My third grade speller had that hint in it!

One of my issues is the phrase "unborn fetus." It's either a fetus or an unborn baby or even child. All unborn animals are fetuses, so I prefer "unborn baby" to emphasis the humanity.

193 snailracer  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:33:10pm

Last night my local news station showed a clip of little Moshe crying at the service. My heart is breaking for him and all the sons and daughters and mothers and fathers of those who were senselessly murdered. Of course, my local station failed to inform me that Moshe's parents were tortured and that his Mommy was pregnant.

What is up with these news people! Don't they do any research anymore? Fact checking? Journalism 101? I truly don't get it.

Thanks, Charles, for the pretty flower pic. I guess it'll have to hold me over for a while.

194 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:35:12pm
195 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:37:22pm

re: #194 ploome hineni

most people write noone because they miss the space bar

as a non typist, most of my mistakes are due to my lack of tying skills

/and I have a bridge to sell you

Oh, ALL my mistakes here are typos! I've been making fewer since I've switched to FireFox that points out my goofs with a red squiggly line--just so long as I haven't typed something that's actually a word!

196 Steve  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 2:52:36pm

re: #194 ploome hineni

most people write noone because they miss the space bar

as a non typist, most of my mistakes are due to my lack of tying skills

/and I have a bridge to sell you

I am glad that you got the g in bridge;)

197 Promethea  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 3:31:14pm

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

re: #141 Alouette

I think "hostages" is a term that should be deep-sixed.

The news says that the Jews in Chabad House were murdered--after torture--very shortly after the terrorists invaded it. There is no evidence whatsoever that the people there were slated to be used as "hostages"--they were merely assumed to be hostages prior to the army going in after the terrorists, a fact which delayed the terrorists' having the opportunity to take their guided tour of Hades by at least a day or two.

There is not even any evidence that the terrorists were holding hostages in the hotels; certainly they murdered indiscriminately enough to make it plain that holding hostages was very far down on their list. But the torture-murders of the Chabad House residents shows that if there were any hostages being held anywhere, it was not there.

Excellent point. The term "hostage" was probably used by the same "reporters" who use boilerplate sentences to "report" stories about "militants" who "coincidentally" happen to be Muslims.

198 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 3:54:30pm
199 lostlakehiker  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 3:54:38pm

re: #80 turn

Alouette, I'm going to sound like a complete dunce here but I've been away from LGF and the boob tube throughout most of the Mumbia terror attack. Sort of been too busy today to search this but did the terrorist waste all the hostages?

They tortured and mutilated them, then killed them, went on from there with more gross stuff. Really barbaric. Yes, they killed them. Somewhere in there.

"Hostage" was never the word. Bait to draw the security forces in, perhaps. Or entertainment while waiting for the next firefight. But the captives were never going to any of them live through it. The moral of the story is to never surrender to terrorists. Just fight. Even if it's hopeless, make them spend a bullet.

200 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 3, 2008 8:23:04pm

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 Frank says:

Anyone who is disturbed by the idea of newts in a nightclub is potentially dangerous.