Liar liar pants on fire.

Oh wait. He likes fire.

I guess bombing to gain sympathy has gone out of style. And it's easier with a sympathetic press.

Do I have to read it? Or can I just pretend that I did?

Gack. Can we put Bill Ayers in a box with Bob McNamara and let them whine lies at each other?

I'm still waiting for the details of how Ayers met Obama when Ayers was in grad school and Obama was undergrad at Columbia. Sure to be a pony in that pile.

I would cry BULLSHIT, but that does not begin to cover the level of dishonesty in that "article".

What happened to his famous: "Guilt as Hell, but free as a bird" statement? I will spit in that "man's" face if I ever meet him. What a complete waste of oxygen

We stopped our subscription to that POS about 10 years ago, and now? It is not fit for a dog to poop on. It would be an insult to the dog.

I cannot wait for the day that sleezy excuse for an alleged newspaper, that hid the beginnings of the Holocaust from the US, goes belly up. It is way past time to stick a fork in it. (A disposible fork.)

The Weather Underground went on to take responsibility for placing several small bombs in empty offices — the ones at the Pentagon and the United States Capitol were the most notorious —

Size matters!

Are you paying attention al Quida. If you want to be just activists and not terrorists it depends on the size of your bombs.

Considering his life's work, I would think size has always been an issue for Mr Ayers.

No mention of standing on the Flag. Hey Bill, when you stood on the Flag you put us all under you boots.

In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village.

He tried to make it sound as if that shit just happened!

They've invited a rat onto a sinking ship. Really thinking outside the box

The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense. Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated. We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war.

We were too stupid to understand, eh Bill?

Attempted murder = "extreme vandalism."
Gotcha.

Dude is obviously trying to control the narrative about what he really did and minimize/sanitize his role. He really, really does not like being called a 'terrorist' because in his mind, he was more like a revolutionary, a Che Guevera type.

He's used to worship/praise/accolades from his fellow travelers and so despises those who would DARE assert that he is really a silver-spooned brat thug leftover hippy who created mayhem, destroyed property and tried to kill innocent people.

And our glorious universities actually hire people like this and consider them 'intellectuals'.

Gawd.

What was the purpose of the bombs then? Noise?

From the article...

"The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense. Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated."

Oh goody. I know some people that are still debating the effectiveness of the Holocaust. We'll get back to you on that.

/sarcasm

If karma or Justice really existed somebody would blow Bill Ayers straight to hell with a bomb labeled "The Weather Underground"...

unrepentant anti-American terrorist, for a dishonest, whiny, self-indulgent

Is that the newspaper or Ayres?

/

Yes indeed. Most commentators never connect the fact that the New York Times does a bad job as a newspaper with their loss of readers. Bill Keller, head editor, said in an interview recently that the front page is mostly about "explanation" -- which kind of says it all -- the front page of a paper is supposed to be mostly NEWS, not "explanation." The reporting is sloppy, the editing is terrible, and there is no news judgment anywhere -- pages 2, 3, and now 4 (!) are given over to little stupid summaries of what's in the paper elsewhere -- idiotic.

Fifteen years ago for many of us, whether we liked the Times or not, it was required reading. No longer.

If you want a high quality, solid paper, read The Times of India.

re: #9 MurphyB

No mention of standing on the Flag. Hey Bill, when you stood on the Flag you put us all under you boots.

Like the bomb I mentioned in No. 10, that flag just happened to be there!

nail bombs cause extreme vandalism to the human body

got it

What you have now is the New York Times actively supporting and defending a terrorist and the related acts of terrorism.

There is no justification for this, there is no where to go from here but to just recognize that the MSM is part of the enemy.

The fact that this is guy is walking around today rather than rotting in a jail, and is held up as some kind of hero/victim makes me want to barf. If William Ayers is one of your idols-heros-role models, I do not want to know you because you are wacked.

Funny how any LLL, be they politicians or 'civilians' always falls back on 'it wasn't me, guv', when called to account, and then proceeds to blame everybody else (as exemplary shown this week in the British Parliament ...).

Same with Ayers.

But this quote is scary:
"Demonization, guilt by association, and the politics of fear did not triumph, not this time. Let’s hope they never will again. ..." which of course means demonisation etc etc by evil conservatives, because LLL never ever would do such a thing!
And if he hopes this will never happen again - well, I hazard the guess that this means that evil conservatives shall be eradicated.

All he, his cronies and his Pres-elect need to do is study NuLab's work-sheets ...

"Unable to challenge the content of Barack Obama’s campaign, his opponents invented a narrative..."

What?! A lot of what was said was factual.

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

Weren't you just talking up revolution downthread? How are you different?

re: #22 3 wood

What you have now is the New York Times actively supporting and defending a terrorist and the related acts of terrorism.

There is no justification for this, there is no where to go from here but to just recognize that the MSM is part of the enemy.

I guess they ran out of military secrets and other sensitive materials to expose and they had to go with the "give the scumbag terrorist a platform" angle.

Isn't this the same op-ed that ran in the Chicago Tribune about a month ago?

re: #23 Desert Dog

And in Chicago too!

An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer of 2008. That's nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.

Is this the same NY times that wouldn't run a John McCain op-ed ?

I think it is

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Isn't this the same op-ed that ran in the Chicago Tribune about a month ago?

What? Link?

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Isn't this the same op-ed that ran in the Chicago Tribune about a month ago?

Not sure, I got disgusted and didn't read that one.

To the NYT, this isn't ... hitting bottom ... it's reaching for the sky.

Now if those who won't buy Times stock would only figure out what's good for them!

/

the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village.

They were building bombs to kill people with when this happened. They screwed up and blew themselves up.

It's not like there was a gas leak in their furnace.

And the New York Times allows this crap to be published without challenge or question.

re: #4 itellu3times

Gack. Can we put Bill Ayers in a box with Bob McNamara and let them whine lies at each other?

Have them both interviewed by Bill Moyers so I can puke in technicolor.

The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense. Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated. We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war.

Darn I bet OJ is wishing he read this before yesterday and used it at sentencing.

re: #30 Shug

Is this the same NY times that wouldn't run a John McCain op-ed ?

I think it is

Yes, that John McCain is too radical for the NYT. William Ayers is a respected "Educator" and "Former Peace Activist"...he's ok to publish...that McCain guy? No Way!

Hey billie and the slimes, breathe this!

The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense.

About the true words in the whole story

Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated.

No it can't, you guys kill 3 of your own and then went into hiding for 10 years only to rear your ugly heads for the occasional bank robbery or cop killing.

We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war.

Well trying and failing is not the same has never.

re: #11 Shug

They've invited a rat onto a sinking ship. Really thinking outside the box

*rimshot*

re: #31 MandyManners

I'm not sure which paper it was in but I'm almost positive I read this before.

re: #26 Thanos

Weren't you just talking up revolution downthread? How are you different?

Because I'm right. That's how it always works Thanos. And guess what, I don't want to see it happen. I wouldn't even "politic" for it to happen. And I am not joining any group to make it happen.

But, I can look at the evidence and make a educated statement that I think we will see civil war with in 20 years.

You didn't see me post anything indicating that I thought it was the right thing to do, I am just making an observation.

You sir, are taking it beyond my statements.

Interesting!

"I never killed or injured anyone."

Let's apply the Bill Clinton universal parsing translator:

"I never killed or injured [a person or persons named] anyone."

Wow, simply amazing.

As I read the article I could not help but chuckle at the pathological narcissism and lies that pass for commentary in the New York Times, unfreaking believable.

But wait there is more, be sure to click on the comments, now closed for and enlightening entry into the world of no nothingisms by the readers of this paper.

There are a few voices of sanity among the overwhelming, "Bravo, Mr Ayers", comments which streamed in from the deluded and ignorant.

Perfect for those suffering from low blood pressure or you need a cheering up...(you have to have a finely developed sense of irony) or conversely to calm a manic episode as you despair for the human race. Remember, these are the smart ones who can type and own a computer. No wonder the scammers in Nigeria will never go out of business

I don't have the time but someone should use it to demonstrate logical fallacies

The New York Times continues demonstrating why their circulation is dropping like a rock, by giving space to an unrepentant anti-American terrorist, for a dishonest, whiny, self-indulgent op-ed about being a victim: The Real Bill Ayers.

I've never seen so many lies packed into such a small space.

I'm not going to sit here and utterly refute Bill Ayers' lies, because it's too late -- Obama already won. And if not enough of America paid attention to me before the election, they're sure as hell not going to pay attention to me now.

Ayers says, "In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village."

Oh, really? "An accidental explosion," Bill? Care to elaborate about the explosion a bit?

**Spit**

re: #34 3 wood

They were building bombs to kill people with when this happened. They screwed up and blew themselves up.

It's not like there was a gas leak in their furnace.

And the New York Times allows this crap to be published without challenge or question.

Sorry 3 wood, this isn't a case of simple allowing something to be published with out challenge, this is a 100 percent straight forward attempt and brainwashing through the use of Joesph Goebbels styled propaganda.

Wasn't there a link posted in the past week at LGF about the demise of newspapers in the USA. Something about the apparent fact that some cities will be without a local newspaper?

Does someone have the link?

Has Hussein found a cabinet post for his buddy, Ayers? Will Rev. Wright help him take the oath?

/Only al-NYT knows.

I could be wrong but I thought a police station was bombed, resulting in the death of one officer and the blinding of another. I thought that Bernadine Dohrn was the person who set that bomb. Am I mistaken?

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure which paper it was in but I'm almost positive I read this before.

Could you be thinking of the NYT op-ed by him on 9-11-01?

re: #50 MandyManners

Bo, it was something recent.

William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, is the author of “Fugitive Days” and a co-author of the forthcoming “Race Course.”

They forgot about Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism

re: #44 iceman

I don't have the time but someone should use it to demonstrate logical fallacies

Forget about the "logical fallacies" -- that's the next layer down. The entire first layer is a thick crust of out-and-out lies.

People in comments calling him "admirable"...gee, guess we know who smoked way too much pot

So Billy-Boy-I-Wish-I-Planted-More-Bombs comes out from under the rock he's been hiding under to write a 2+2=5 Op-Ed about himself.

"I never killed or injured anyone." William Ayers

Well, Billy Boy, your simply an incompetent terrorist and it was through no lack of trying. Exploding Dopes sometimes have work accidents like your friends and a former lover in Greenwich with the nail bombs that went off early or simply do nothing but damage to infrastructure. Your still a terrorist in the court of public opinion.

OK, LGF, if Billy Boy was a character in Animal Farm which one do you think he would be? I'm going with the propagandist pig who kept changing the laws. Hmmm, there's that word again, change.

re: #42 Walter L. Newton

You proposition is that elections don't change things, I pointed out that things were terrible at the start of the eighties but an election or two did change things. You still seem to think revolution would be the only effective means, what am I missing Walter?

re: #51 Killgore Trout

Bo, it was something recent.

I wish I could help but, I slacked off since the election and didn't follow this bastard. Mental fatigue got the best of me.

I don't know if I read the entire op ed before. Vanity Fair had the vandalism BS.

re: #50 MandyManners

Could you be thinking of the NYT op-ed by him on 9-11-01?

I thought he did a WSJ piece right after the election

re: #47 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I posted this one in the spinoffs...is this it?

Ayers' term for bombing is "extreme vandalism".

Man there sure are a lot of extreme vandals operating in the Middle East.

re: #44 iceman

"pathological narcissism and lies that pass for commentary in the New York Times"

A quote for the ages!

"Unable to challenge the content of Barack Obama’s campaign, his opponents invented a narrative..."
There was no content in The Vapid One's campaign. Everyone knows it, even the MSM who refused to expose the facts about this radically brainwashed POS.

Some history of the Weather Underground, think this is from Zombie iirc:

May 18, 1973 - The bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York. WUO states this is in response to the killing of 10-year-old black youth Clifford Glover by police.

September 28, 1973 - The ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy are bombed. WUO states this is in response to ITT’s alleged role in the Chilean coup earlier that month. [NYT, 9/28/73]

March 6, 1974 - Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco. WUO states this is to protest alleged sterilization of poor women. In the accompanying communiqué, the Women’s Brigade argues for “the need for women to take control of daycare, healthcare, birth control and other aspects of women’s daily lives.”

May 31, 1974 - The Office of the California Attorney General is bombed. WUO states this is in response to the killing of six members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

July, 1974 – The WUO releases the book Prairie Fire, in which they indicate the need for a unified Communist Party. They encourage the creation of study groups to discuss their ideology, and continue to stress the need for violent acts. The book also admits WUO responsibility of several actions from previous years. The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) arises from the teachings in this book and is organized by many former WUO members.

September 11, 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation). WUO states this is in retribution for Anaconda’s alleged involvement in the Chilean coup the previous year.

June 16, 1975 - Weathermen bomb a Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York, WUO states this is in solidarity with striking Puerto Rican cement workers.

…etc.!

re: #26 Thanos

Weren't you just talking up revolution downthread? How are you different?

Can I say "Ow!" and run and hide?

re: #59 HoosierHoops

I thought he did a WSJ piece right after the election

See my No. 57. I slacked off.

re: #57 MandyManners

I can't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken..

re: #61 Sizzlack

Ayers' term for bombing is "extreme vandalism".

Man there sure are a lot of extreme vandals operating in the Middle East.

Yeah - wonder what he calls 9/11.
Super-extreme gigantic vandalism, perhaps?

*Spit!*

re: #7 NY Nana

We stopped our subscription to that POS about 10 years ago, and now? It is not fit for a dog to poop on. It would be an insult to the dog.

I cannot wait for the day that sleezy excuse for an alleged newspaper, that hid the beginnings of the Holocaust from the US, goes belly up. It is way past time to stick a fork in it. (A disposible fork.)

The stocks are below "junk" status... the only thing of actual value in the company is the building, everything else in the company, including the newspapers it owns, has negative value.

They'd have to pay somebody to take over that rag.

Rest assured, William Ayer's agenda remains unchanged.
It's simply being pursued sans explosives now.

re: #43 MurphyB

"I never killed or injured anyone."

He was certainly involved in a criminal conspiracy that resulted in death and injury.

re: #60 NY Nana

No, but it has much of the same content. Thanks!

re: #64 Thanos

September 11, 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation). WUO states this is in retribution for Anaconda’s alleged involvement in the Chilean coup the previous year.

Why didn't they bomb ITT, too? It had a humongous role in the coup--alll those copper mines.

Bill Ayers. What a useless piece of foul maggot infested rat meat you are.

re: #49 tappin52

I could be wrong but I thought a police station was bombed, resulting in the death of one officer and the blinding of another. I thought that Bernadine Dohrn was the person who set that bomb. Am I mistaken?

You are not.

re: #73 MandyManners

Why didn't they bomb ITT, too? It had a humongous role in the coup--alll those copper mines.

I think they did take action against ITT in Italy iirc.

re: #67 Killgore Trout

I can't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken..

HH in No. 59 has a lead. WSJ?

Gotta get a kick out of his comparing his coverage to Orwell's '2 minutes of hate' in 1984.

What's more hateful?
A news organization running a story on who he is and calling him what he is...
or
bombing places.

As this document (which was typed by Bill's very own fingers in 1975) reveals, only 7 out of over 100 (eventual) terror acts by the Weather Underground had anything to do with the Vietnam War -- by Bill's own admission.

Yet to this day, to this minute, he still peddles the "We were only protesting the Vietnam War" lie.

The New York Times knows this. And yet they allowed him to vomit his lies on their pages.

Not that they had any credibility left, but this utterly discredits them as an institution, forever.

re: #74 maddogg

Bill Ayers. What a useless piece of foul maggot infested rat meat you are.

What a way with words!

The roaches are really crawling out of their hiding places now.

re: #49 tappin52

I could be wrong but I thought a police station was bombed, resulting in the death of one officer and the blinding of another. I thought that Bernadine Dohrn was the person who set that bomb. Am I mistaken?

Among the crimes committed by the Weathermen was the killing of San Francisco police Sgt. Brian V. McDonnell.

He was killed by a pipe bomb planted at a police station in 1970 - the same year Mr. Ayers participated in the bombing of New York City police headquarters. Bernadine Dohrn, a Weatherman co-founder and Mr. Ayers' future wife, was suspected of planting the bomb.

Mr. Ayers also participated in the bombing of the U.S. Capitol building in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

I just got my lizard wings the other day and this is my first post! I am amazed at how the New York Times and their readers continue to make moral relativism a source of enlightened philosophy. We know the paper has its Walter Durranty Pultizer from his faux reporting about Stalin. And now Ayers, without an reporting- where is any balance about Ayers writings in the 70s- all we know is Vietnam was bad, so Ayers is now a victim of 'guilt by association'.

Can't wait for Pinch Sulltzy Berger at his bailout hearing!

re: #56 Thanos

You proposition is that elections don't change things, I pointed out that things were terrible at the start of the eighties but an election or two did change things. You still seem to think revolution would be the only effective means, what am I missing Walter?

I say elections will no longer change anything. And I say that with in 20 years, there will be a group of citizens who will feel that there is not other way to effect any change except to try a revolution.

It is not my answer to the dilemma I propose in the paragraph above, but I feel it will be some people's answer.

And please show me where I said it will be effective? I have only stated (over and over) that I feel it will happen.

I don't have an answer anymore. I was confident in the democratic process up until the last 8 years, and now I believe that we have no real effect on our countries politics.

No, the only results I see from any of my predictions is the collapse of the United States as we know it.

What arises from the dust, I don't know, and I probably won't be here (or want to be here) to see the results.

OT: Infidels redesign Mecca (really)...
Mecca redevelopment plan stirs controversy

The plans - intended to be kept secret but leaked to the Architects' Journal last week - would see a group of Western "starchitects," including Sir Norman Foster of London-based Foster & Partners, redesign Mecca's central Haram mosque to accommodate up to three million pilgrims at a time. The plans reportedly have the blessing of Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz.

However, the king's courting of Western, mainly non-Muslim experts has enraged some Saudis.
...
Non-Muslims, he is quick to point out, are forbidden from even entering Mecca, which presents logistical challenges to most of the King's hand-picked team of experts, regardless of their prestige.
...
A recent report by the Saudi British Bank estimates $30-billion (U.S.) will be invested in construction and infrastructure over the next four years within a two-kilometre radius of the Grand Mosque, with 18 future projects in the pipeline and more than 100 new towers planned.

re: #83 bravesoat

awesome post, but your account says you have two posts

re: #76 Thanos

I think they did take action against ITT in Italy iirc.

I don't recall that. My dad retired from ITT a few years ago, and it's always interested me. Sosthenes Behn was an intriguing person.

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Let the death threats and burning effigies commence in 5...4...3...2...

Unable to challenge the content of Barack Obama’s campaign, his opponents invented a narrative about a young politician . . .

Oh, there was content?

What Bill Ayers says about himself is probably true to an extent. The escalation of political dialogue to symbolic acts of terrorism (blowing up empty offices without the intent to kill) was indeed probably the result of the frustration he and his group felt. Nevertheless, symbolic violence can easily escalate into more intense and focused violence. Banging on a wall can easily turn into pummeling a human . . . or murdering them.

Bill Ayers rationalized his violent actions as political expression, but would he be willing to acknowledge the legitimacy of someone expressing intense opposition to his political beliefs by spray painting or even firebombing his unoccupied office?

Not likely. And in that denial of "turnabout is fair play," he convicts himself.

-sk

Time to grab the lab and go annoy some grouse again.

Have an excellent day, good people.

re: #86 Shug

awesome post, but your account says you have two posts

He coulda' forgotten about the first one, ya' know.

The NY Spitzer Times - still not good enough for the bottom of a bird cage.

re: #87 MandyManners

I don't recall that. My dad retired from ITT a few years ago, and it's always interested me. Sosthenes Behn was an intriguing person.

Here we go: Link

I found my answer. Feb. 16. 1970, A San Francisco police station was bombed by a device that Bernadine Dohrn built an set. Killed in the explosion was Police Sgt. Brian McDonnell and injured was officer Robert Fogarty.

re: #86 Shug

awesome post, but your account says you have two posts

The first one was probably ' yoo-hoo..alright i got in!..holy crap!..what's up?..I love you guys..that kind of thing..
His second post was really lucid...welcome new lizard.

64 Thanos

Some history of the Weather Underground, think this is from Zombie iirc:

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm not going to repost everything I dug up during the election, but all one has to do is read Bill's own writing at the time (1970s) in Prairie Fire and Osawatomie to find the real truth. All his after-the-fact spinning can't change reality. He stated, in absolutely no uncertain terms, that his goal was to destroy the United States and impose a communist "dictatorship of the proletariat." He stated overtly that the WU were not protesting the Vietnam War, they were acting as agents of the communist forces. They were for the war -- for the other side, that is.

re: #64 Thanos

[Link: www.latinamericanstudies.org...]

More ...

The New York Times

October 9, 1977

FBI Asserts Cuba Aided Weathermen

By NICHOLAS M. HORROCK

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - Cuban espionage agents operating in the United States and Canada supplied limited aid to the Weather Underground, a militant antiwar organization, in the late 1960's and early 1970's, according to a top-secret report of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Some technical assistance was also provided by North Vietnam, the report says, but there was no evidence that the Soviet Union, China or Eastern European nations ever made direct attempts to stir up American dissidents.

The 400-page report, a copy of which has been obtained by The New. York Times, was prepared in August 1976 after the Department of Justice opened a criminal investigation into charges that bureau agents had committed burglaries and carried out illegal mail openings and wiretaps in their attempts to apprehend Weathermen fugitives.

The closely held report - only 10 copies were sent to the bureau director, Clarence M. Kelley - was aimed at establishing that members of the Weather Underground were operating as secret agents of a foreign power and were thus legitimate targets of counterintelligence measures.

The report disclosed, however, that Communist bloc nations had given little tangible support to the American antiwar movement. The report was based upon information from the Central Intelligence Agency, several foreign intelligence services, a wide range of American and foreign police agencies, electronic eavesdropping and reports of several confidential informers.

The following were some of the key points:

-Three years before militant members of the students for a Democratic Society split off to form the Weather Underground Organization in 1970, North Vietnamese and Cuban officials were influencing radical antiwar strategy through foreign meetings. Many of these meetings were held in Communist countries, including Hungary, Czechoslovakia and North Vietnam,

-The conduit for contact in the United States was a group of intelligence agents assigned to the staff of the Cuban Mission to the United Nations in New York. These agents arranged for American youths to be inculcated with revolutionary fervor and, occasionally, to be trained in practical weaponry by Cuban military officers through the so-called Venceremos Brigades.

-After the Weathermen went "underground" in 1970 and many of them were being sought by the F.B.I. on criminal charges, Cuban intelligence officers were in touch with them from both the New York mission and the Cuban Embassy in Canada.

-Cuban officials helped several Weather Underground adherents who feared arrest in the United States to travel to Prague, Czechoslovakia, and then to reenter the United Slates surreptitiously.

The report linked the growing militancy of certain members of the Students for a Democratic Society, which resulted in the so-called Days of Rage in Chicago in 1969; to North Vietnamese advice the year before to choose youngsters who would battle with the police.

The North Vietnamese, according to S.D.S. literature of the time, had suggested that the antiwar movement needed not just intellectual protesters but also physically rugged recruits.

The report noted that the objective of Cuban intelligence officers in the General Directorate of Intelligence (known by its initials in Spanish as the D.G.I., Cuba's equivalent of the C.I.A.) was not always the same as that of the young members of the Weather Underground.

It said the ultimate objective of the D.G.I's participation in setting up the Venceremos Brigades "is the recruitment of individuals who are politically oriented and who someday may obtain a position, elective or appointive, somewhere in the U.S. Government, which would provide the Cuban Government with access to political, economic and military intelligence."

...

re: #93 Thanos

Here we go: Link

Fuckers could've killed janitors or go-getters burning the midnight oil.

re: #69 Steffan

The stocks are below "junk" status... the only thing of actual value in the company is the building, everything else in the company, including the newspapers it owns, has negative value.

They'd have to pay somebody to take over that rag.

William Ayers would be perfect.

We pass the building where that rag is printed on the way to one of the bridges...it is either in Queens or the Bronx...I give it the finger, while my husband gives me 'the look'...

Here is an article on just how much trouble they are in...I hope that it will be fatal, before that POS metastasizes its' evil even further.

re: #74 maddogg

Bill Ayers. What a useless piece of foul maggot infested rat meat you are.

You are being waaay too kind.

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I don't have an answer anymore. I was confident in the democratic process up until the last 8 years, and now I believe that we have no real effect on our countries politics. No, the only results I see from any of my predictions is the collapse of the United States as we know it.

Walter,

Have you been taught or read much in the way of US history. Do you really think today or this era is the most challenging ever faced by this republic?

re: #99 doriangrey

What about historical preservation?

/

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I disagree. You don't have to like it that I have more confidence in fellow citizens than you do.

re: #83 bravesoat

I just got my lizard wings the other day and this is my first post! I am amazed at how the New York Times and their readers continue to make moral relativism a source of enlightened philosophy. We know the paper has its Walter Durranty Pultizer from his faux reporting about Stalin. And now Ayers, without an reporting- where is any balance about Ayers writings in the 70s- all we know is Vietnam was bad, so Ayers is now a victim of 'guilt by association'.

Can't wait for Pinch Sulltzy Berger at his bailout hearing!

Tah-Dah! And we have a winnah! Step right up and claim your prize. You have a choice of a lifetime subscription to the New Yawk Times or a coconut.

Why now, NYT?
He's "suddenly unwillingly thrust upon the stage" now?
How about a little stage work for him this past November?

re: #91 MandyManners

when you search for all posts, there is only the one. Very strange

re: #97 Bobibutu

Don't forget his and Dohrn's rings from Norht Viet Nam!

re: #34 3 wood

They were building bombs to kill people with when this happened. They screwed up and blew themselves up.

It's not like there was a gas leak in their furnace.

And the New York Times allows this crap to be published without challenge or question.

What about the judge's home they firebombed with the judge's family in it? That was just "vandalism"? And he stood on the flag within the last forty years? He's an arrogant sociopath who thinks he can fool everyone about what he did. No one with a conscience would ever have engaged in those actions, period.

He should be in a cell with OJ.

Demonizing - examining a leftist's record.

Guilt by Association - examining a leftist's political and personal associates.

If the left examines a right-leaning individual, however, it is "speaking truth to power."

re: #89 Spar Kling

Oh, there was content?

What Bill Ayers says about himself is probably true to an extent. The escalation of political dialogue to symbolic acts of terrorism (blowing up empty offices without the intent to kill) was indeed probably the result of the frustration he and his group felt.

Wrong. The WU's "symbolic" acts of terrorism were only committed to cover up their many acts of real terrorism. For every bomb they called in ahead of time, there was another bomb they didn't. And not to mention all the other violent acts.

re: #107 Shug

when you search for all posts, there is only the one. Very strange

The links to my posts have disappeared, too.

re: #96 zombie

They got their wish with that. How many died after we pulled out of Vietnam? 2 million? 3 million? Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam...the boat people. I never hear one peep from the AntiWar crowd from the 60's and 70's about that, not one word.

These are the same people today that wish us to withdrawl from Iraq in the same manner. If the same bloodbath ensues, you will not hear a peep from them about that either.

Yeah, well I've already said all I have to say about this pos. But a few things bear repeating:
Sure, built bombs to destroy property - so why all the nails in those Bombs Billy Boy?
And why on earth lie about when the WU started - it started in 1969 when you folks split from the SDS because they weren't radical enough for you, and YOU, personally, wrote the Declaration of War on the USA by the Weather Underground.
And how about your ever so charming wife, Bernadine Dohrn who was tried for the MURDER of a Cop and the permanent blinding of another one, but escaped from that because the only evidence that SHE made the bomb, SHE planted the bomb and that SHE set the bomb to go off when she did was the testimony of other members of the Weather Underground and apparently you can't convict someone based upon the testimony of co-conspirators?
You are a COWARD - you used bombs because you were too afraid to face armed authority - cops or troops - how good does it make you feel that at least Kathy Boudin had the courage of her convictions, you fucking poseur?
And thanks a lot to you and your wife for raising your fellow weather undergrounder Kathy Boudin's child after she WAS convicted of Felony Murder in the 1982 Brinks Armored car holdup (to "finance the revolution") when an armed guard and a cop were shot to death.

The NYT is toast. There just isn't a market for left wing talk newspaper. The only thing keeping the paper alive is the needs of several million parakeets.

re: #103 Conservative in Liberal Hands

What about historical preservation?

/

There is nothing there worth preserving...

re: #98 MandyManners

Fuckers could've killed janitors or go-getters burning the midnight oil.

Bingo! But they don't count to elitist bastards like this guy.
Hey, Bill. What about the 25 million people you were going to have to kill to start up your utopia?

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Have no fear. Our constituion and democracy are very robust.

That was the biggest pile of bullshit I've ever read from this guy. I'm literally shaking in anger.

Repost from last night, relevant to this thread.
A buddy of Ayers...
A Marxist speaks on Obama.

Obama is a very strategic thinker. He knew precisely what it would take to get elected and didn't blow it. He used community organizing methods to mobilize a base consisting of many people who had never voted before or who regularly don't vote. Few other candidates in my lifetime have taken this road, which is contrary to conventional political wisdom. (Paul Wellstone was a wonderful exception to the rule.) But he also knew that what he said had to basically play to the center to not be run over by the press, the Republicans, scare centrist and cross-over voters away. He made it.

[snip]

And I agree with this strategy. Anything else will court sure defeat. Move on the stuff you can to a small but significant extent, gain support and confidence. Leave the military alone because they're way too powerful. For now, until enough momentum is raised. By the second or third year of this recession, when stimulus is needed at the bottom, people may begin to discuss cutting the military budget if security is being increased through diplomacy and application of nascent international law.

[snip]

Our job now is to organize both inside and outside the Demo party. There's already a big battle in the Demo party at every level. Here in the New Mexico State Legislature, the progressives are challenging the conservative Dems for leadership; the same is true in Congress. If you can't stand to work in the party, work on putting mass pressure on issues such as healthcare and jobs and the war from outside.

Mark William Rudd As the war escalated, Mark Rudd worked with other youth movement leaders to take SDS in a more militant direction. Together, they formed a radical, violence-oriented organization, referring to themselves collectively as "Weatherman."

You know, when the Times ran a report on Charlie Rangel, they allowed Rangel to provide a response (to which the Times annotated their own counter).

Here's my counter argument for Ayers and his odious posting.

Ayers is a terrorist. He didn't get convicted in a court of law because of prosecutorial misconduct, but that doesn't get him off the hook.

A bomb he designed blew up in that Greenwich Village apartment killed three of his fellow terrorists, including his then girlfriend.

That bomb wasn't meant to simply be a radical exercise in free speech, but to kill and maim soldiers at Fort Dix. It contained shrapnel with the intent to maim and kill.

Ayers fellow terrorists did kill - the 1981 Brinks car heist in Nanuet, NY, where two NYS state troopers and a security guard were murdered.

Ayers fellow terrorists also attempted to murder a judge and his family.

Those are completely ignored by Ayers - glossed over as some radical exercise of free speech. It was no such thing. Ayers and his fellow terrorists sought the radical overthrow of the nation. He sought a communist revolution. He's said as much in their Prairie Fire manifesto. He stands for all that the US doesn't, but uses and abuses the freedoms we take for granted to further his own cause and that of revolutionary leftists the world over. His hatred of the US remains boundless, and he can fool some of the people, particularly those on the NYT editorial board, but he can't fool everyone.

Not me. Not here. Not ever.

re: #89 Spar Kling
" (blowing up empty offices without the intent to kill"
So why did they ALWAYS put lots of nails in their bombs? No intent to kill my ass.

re: #117 livefreeor die

Bingo! But they don't count to elitist bastards like this guy.
Hey, Bill. What about the 25 million people you were going to have to kill to start up your utopia?

Just eggs for his omelet!

I cannot find the link to that. Was it in Prairie Fire?

re: #109 livefreeor die

What about the judge's home they firebombed with the judge's family in it? That was just "vandalism"? And he stood on the flag within the last forty years? He's an arrogant sociopath who thinks he can fool everyone about what he did. No one with a conscience would ever have engaged in those actions, period.

He should be in a cell with OJ.

Actually, I want to amend this to he should be in a cell with OJ and Big Horny Louie.

Where's Joe the Plumber's Op Ed? Talk about being "unwillingly thrust upon the stage."

re: #120 jcm

Repost from last night, relevant to this thread.
A buddy of Ayers...
A Marxist speaks on Obama.

Mark William Rudd As the war escalated, Mark Rudd worked with other youth movement leaders to take SDS in a more militant direction. Together, they formed a radical, violence-oriented organization, referring to themselves collectively as "Weatherman."

I rarely use my heart button but, I did for this one.

re: #108 MandyManners

Don't forget his and Dohrn's rings from Norht Viet Nam!

Yep ... so much out there they should have been sitting in prison and never met zero. So it's all our fault ... huh?

Laundry calls. bbiaw

I must be going -

Next thing you know, Alan Rachman is going to write a play called, "My name is Bill Ayers" lauding this f---er.

re: #72 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Sorry I couldn't find the right one, but I think that has the info..my pleasure.

And publishing here is now in desperate straits. This is regrettable.

Bill Ayers is a criminal, plain and simple. He can try to deflect, rationalize and outright lie about his past, but it's still all there. He should be in jail. His group did not just cross the line between legal and illegal, they went WAY over that line. How did they ever beat this rap? The prosecutors of Ayers and Dohrn blew it!

I guess it does not matter as our future Attorney General along with our lovely former President pardoned the ones found guilty anyway...

Up is down and down is up, welcome to the liberal mindset

re: #126 MandyManners

I rarely use my heart button but, I did for this one.

A buddy of Ayers, former Weatherman, speaks of Obama's hidden plan that many of us wondered about for the last year.

Sarah Palin, Improvisational Jazz Singer?

Some genius with a piano decided to add some jazz piano to Sarah Palin's speech. I'm mesmerized by this video, and I can't explain why . . .

That little shit Ayers shouldn't remind people how much he deserves a poke in the nose. I won't shed a tear if he shows up on the news crying.

re: #128 MandyManners

Laundry calls. bbiaw

Yea, it called me too, but I hung up on the bastard... ;p

re: #67 Killgore Trout

I can't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken..

Is this it? The Toronto Star ran a piece by him here after Nov 8 on the front page of its "World" section. (On the front page of that section today, it ran a sob story about the surviving Mumbai "gunman")

This one in the NYT seems to be basically the same, though I'm not going to bother reading it all..

re: #114 realwest

Yeah, well I've already said all I have to say about this pos. But a few things bear repeating:
Sure, built bombs to destroy property - so why all the nails in those Bombs Billy Boy?

Bravo!

re: #111 zombie

Wrong. The WU's "symbolic" acts of terrorism were only committed to cover up their many acts of real
terrorism. For every bomb they called in ahead of time, there was
another bomb they didn't. And not to mention all the other violent acts.

Were there nails in the bombs?

I agree that intent is a thin line to walk, and unless Ayers is willing to acknowledge the legitimacy of reciprocal responses, the line vanishes.

-sk

re: #137 invictus1

Ah, thanks. That's what I was thinking of.

re: #136 doriangrey

LOL

re: #139 Spar Kling

Were there nails in the bombs?

Yes, some of them.

re: #132 Desert Dog
Actually the prosecutors of Dohrn didn't "blow it" - they had the testimony of 3 co-conspirators and the testimony of the cops that the bomb was exactly where the 3 co-conspirators said it was, 2 of 3 three said Dohrn told them when it was set to go off (one didn't recall) and the cops said that's exactly when the bomb went off and the bomb was loaded with nails and flammable materials - it was designed to kill and maim PEOPLE not to destroy property. Regrettably the testimony of the 3 co-conspirators was thrown out because they had cut deals with the prosecution for their testimony.

the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village.

In Gaza they call that a work related injury.

Notice he doesn't mention the bombs as something he regrets.

"Accidental explosion" - he forgot to add that a bomb they were building exploded.

"Vandalism" - bombs are vandalism?

Symbolic acts of terrorism are what the fools in San Francisco do, with their fake waterboarding and orange jumpsuit abu ghiraib threate

blowing up things is real terrorism

Got it Billy Boy ?

If the Pres-elect is not your friend, Ayers, and is just another guy on the school bus, then why you running your mouth now?

Does the NY Times not remember what they've printed before about Ayers? This, for example?

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

The man is utterly unrepentant.

I rarely am moved to comment on much, but this is why, the day after the presidential election, I was finally moved to cancel my subscription (the food section, sports, and the crossword puzzle were all that kept me hanging on for lo those many years). When I did call customer service, they offered me 16 weeks for free to stay. Someday soon, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert et al might actually have to go get real jobs (I know, pie in the sky, but a guy can dream, right?).

re: #148 rightymouse

Does the NY Times not remember what they've printed before about Ayers? This, for example?

The man is utterly unrepentant.

I wonder if they're trying to clean him up so they can give him some kind of post in the administration.

I wonder how Bill would explain his incredible incompetence as a bomb maker? Reliable bombs can be put together by semi-literate insurgents in Iraq, but oh so educated and sophisticated Ayers and his compadres blow their silly asses all over the walls. Not that I'm complaining. I just can't see how anyone would listen to someone who can't even master a simple explosive device. Smacks of simple stupidity.

re: #135 Shay4l

That little shit Ayers shouldn't remind people how much he deserves a poke in the nose. I won't shed a tear if he shows up on the news crying.

Poke in the nose?
A kick in the balls, a VC flag shoved up his a**, and airmailed to NorKo to see how he likes a Marxist paradise.

re: #36 LindaMarie

Darn I bet OJ is wishing he read this before yesterday and used it at sentencing.

Ignorant AND arrogant!

Hey All. I cannot bring myself to read what this POS has written. I will not give either him or the NYT my time to shill to me about what a poor, misunderstood boy he was/is. Kudos to those of you who have the constitution to do so, and inform the rest of us. Just the fact that any media outlet will give this POS a forum is beyond outrageous to me. I cannot do it.

A newspaper practicing real journalism would have sent a reporter to get his statement and then question it with the evidence of what he actually did.

Sigh. Do any newspapers like that still exist?

re: #143 realwest

Also, I presented evidence in my "Did Obama intersect with the Weather Underground in 1981?" post that Bernardine Dohrn (and by extension almost certainly Bill Ayers as well) did help plan and give material aid to the Brinks Robbery in 1981 -- after they supposedly had "gone overground," turned themselves in, and gone legit. Some of the murderers in the Brinks case were using fake IDs provided to them by Bernardine. The Ayers fingerprints were all over that triple murder.

Also, no one has yet mentioned the killing of the SF policemen in [1975? forget the year], also a Weather Underground action, which Bill undoubtedly planned or sanctioned.

Where was this crock of horse manure BEFORE the election?

If Ayers had nothing to hide, then where the heck was he for the last six months?

re: #138 zombie
Thank you zombie - but I just can't write much more about this s.o.b.; my first ex-wifes first cousin was in the Weather Underground and is STILL in hiding - but she told me that he told his family (a bunch of sickos, but that's another story) that they ALWAYS used nails, hoping to nail a security guard or a cop in the normally closed office hours.
And he was pissed off that they didn't kill more of 'em.
And no, she wouldn't tell me his name, but he and Billy Boy were thisclose.

re: #158 looking closely

Where was this crock of horse manure BEFORE the election?

If Ayers had nothing to hide, then where the heck was he for the last six months?

Vacationing with Jeremiah Wright.

From an email that someone sent to me:

A biker is riding by the zoo, when he sees a little girl leaning into the
lion's cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and
tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming
parents. The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage and hits the lion
square on the nose with a powerful punch.

Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and
the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.

A New York Times reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter
addressing the biker says, 'Sir, this was the most gallant and brave
thing I saw a man do in my whole life.'

The biker replies, 'Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind
bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.'

The reporter says, 'Well, I'll make sure this won't go unnoticed. I'm a
journalist from the New York Times, you know, and tomorrow's paper will
have this story on the front page... So, what do you do for a living and
what political affiliation do you have?''

The biker replies, 'I'm a U.S. Marine and a Republican.'

The journalist leaves. The following morning the biker buys The New York
Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on front
page:

U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH.

re: #155 livefreeor die

I do not believe so. Perhaps some local paper in some far away corner, but for the most part, they no longer practice journalism, nor search for the truth.

I do not care that thousands of reporters and editors in the MSM are losing their jobs these days. I should care, because they have families to support and I have some, uh, loved ones in the media. But I do not care. Whenever I hear about another round of layoffs, I actually cheer.

It's like seeing enemy troops go down.

The reality that I needed to read the article in order to comment here on it was just too much to pay.

NYT and Ayers...total garbage unworthy of use for wrapping three-day-old, putrid fish or breathing someone else's good air! That jerk is a textbook narcissist relying on self-injected doses of rationalization combined the copious use of lies to achieve total bullshit and the NYT's, their fellow MSM-ers and the rest of lefty America are rabidly consuming the bullshit like hot fish and chips on a Manhattan winter's day!

re: #163 chicken kiev

I do not care that thousands of reporters and editors in the MSM are losing their jobs these days. I should care, because they have families to support and I have some, uh, loved ones in the media. But I do not care. Whenever I hear about another round of layoffs, I actually cheer.

It's like seeing enemy troops go down.

I agree. They made their choices to distort the truth, now they have to live with the consequences.

re: #156 zombie
The 1975 bombing is the one I'm talking about Dohrn planning and trying to carry out. Unless you're talking about a different bombing where a cop was killed and another cop was blinded?
And of course Billy was involved in the Brinks' murders (although I did recall it as being in 1982) but only in the planning - as I said, he lacked the personal courage to take any real chances with his own life.
That's one of the reasons he and Dohrn raised Boudin's kid.

re: #150 livefreeor die

I wonder if they're trying to clean him up so they can give him some kind of post in the administration.

Wouldn't that be so hopelessly ironic?

Here's a guy who has been a murderous, nasty, crude and unrepentant thug - totally anti-government, wallowing in anti-'imperialism' communist ideology and then to be given a job in the very government he says he despises and has always wanted to overthrow?

Can't make up stuff like this.

re: #152 jcm

I had to ding that just for the mental image

Asshole
Yammering
Egomaniacal
Repulsive
Scum...

/Ask me how I really feel.

re: #156 zombie

From the NYT 9/11/2001:
"They [Ayers&Dohrn] have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin's application for parole was rejected."

re: #160 livefreeor die
ROFL! Thanks for lightening my mood my friend!

damn, those are some quick deletions.

When Dustin Hoffman escaped being blasted sky-high by anti-war group
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London, Nov 22 (ANI): American actor Dustin Hoffman has revealed that he almost lost his life in 1970, when an anti-war group accidentally detonated dynamite in their secret factory next door to his home.

Hoffman had been living in an apartment just one door down from the radical organisation Weather Underground’’s makeshift bomb factory in New York City’’s Greenwich Village in March of 1970.

The reason he escaped death was because he had stepped out of his house for a few hours when the group inadvertently set off explosives, but one year later he discovered that his then-girlfriend was a member of the violent activist group.

She never told me. I found out about a year later. I wasn”t mad (because) she wasn”t involved in (the Village blast), the Daily Express quoted him as telling the New York Daily News.

The explosion had destroyed the three-storey house and claimed the lives of three people. (ANI)

[Link: www.thaindian.com...]

re: #48 NY Nana

Has Hussein found a cabinet post for his buddy, Ayers?

Urban Affairs, in the Division of Over Crowding and Population Explosion

So why did they ALWAYS put lots of nails in their bombs? No intent to kill my ass.

The nails aren't intended to kill; they're intended to maim and do significant bodily harm.

Rat bastard.

More liberalism at work. A microcosm of what the bailouts will bring...

City pays more for biodiesel

For instance, the city recently paid its Eastern Oregon suppliers about $6.75 a gallon for a large shipment of 100 percent biodiesel. That’s a steep hike over what the city paid earlier in the year.

In contrast, Jim Charriere, McCall Oil & Chemical Corp. CEO, said that his company – which stores Portland’s biodiesel – today sells regular 100 percent biodiesel for $2.50 a gallon to wholesalers.

May I introduce you to a 2010 GM Luxury car for $100,000!

Of course, the NYT still thinks proudly of their employment of Walter Duranty and his pathetic excuse making and outright lies over the mass murder of millions of Russians and Ukrainians by Stalin - so why is it a surprise that they will provide a forum for this lying sack of puss?

As Zombie has well documented, Ayers does have blood on his hands, intended to have more blood on his hands, does not believe they did enough in terms of violence, and did much of that violence well after the US forces left Vietnam in 1973...while remaining silent as his pals butchered 3 to 4 million, imprisoned another 2 million, and forced another million plus to flee Vietnam by boat.

This ass had no issues within his manifesto to call for the execution of at least 25 million Americans if he had his way - for the 'crime' of being unrepetent capitalists. Did the NYT mention this?

I didn't think so. So I guess we are returning to relive the 30's all over again...led by those who failed to learn from history...and embrace fascism.

and, oh yeah...he is a victim...of his own delusion.

fuck him!

re: #67 Killgore Trout

I am sure I read something very like this before. I remember the "wish I knew him better" line and some of the other statements. I did see the Toronto Star one, which is the one that I was thinking of, but the "wish I knew him better" line must have been in something he wrote or said to some other source.

Notice the header in the NYTimes above the comments: "Now that the election is over, a secondary character in a narrative about Barack Obama separates his fictional identity from his actual one." Unbelievable how many true believers there are among the people making the comments. Although maybe that's because, more and more, that's who is left reading this rag. Some consolation in that, at least at the time I read through the comments, the few more sensible ones were getting a higher number of "recommends."

Ayers is a posterboy for Orwellian "newspeak" not a victim of it.

Lovely how the NYT fails to mention another one of his works dedicated to an assassin...hmmm

To clarify matters for people, I repost this section from one of my essays about Ayers. I believe this is the clearest explanation of his groups' nomenclature ever published:

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A note about my usage of the name "Weather Underground"

For those not intimately familiar with the history of the radical left, the various names and titles associated with the group "The Weather Underground" can be a bit confusing. This hopefully will clear things up:

Weatherman -- In 1969, a group of extreme radicals broke away from the Revolutionary Youth Movement, a faction within the far-left political group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). These radicals formed a new group, which they dubbed "Weatherman" (singular), derived from the Bob Dylan lyric "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers were two of the founding members.

Weathermen -- Because it was rather confusing to refer to a group of people as "Weatherman," in the singular, the press and fellow leftists shortly thereafter began referring to them as "The Weathermen," which made more grammatical sense, but which lost the reference to the Bob Dylan song.

Weather Underground -- The following year, in 1970, after some early terror attacks, the Weathermen went on the lam after one of their homemade bombs detonated while they were assembling it in a Greenwich Village apartment, killing three of their own members. Because they had gone underground, and were no longer operating in the open, the group subsequently changed their name to the Weather Underground.

Weather Underground Organization -- During this era, in their communiqués the group sometimes used the name "Weather Undergound Organization," which sounded more grandiose and important than merely the "Weather Undergound." This is often thought of by later writers as the group's "official" name, and you will now sometimes see it abbreviated as "WUO."

Prairie Fire Collective -- Some time in the mid-late 1970s -- the exact date is not clear, but probably around 1976 -- the Weather Underground split into two factions, each of which took on different names. One faction, lead by William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, decided the time had come to "go legit": to turn themselves in, face whatever charges may be laid against them, serve time in jail if necessary, and then continue the struggle above ground. This faction called themselves the Prairie Fire Collective. One by one, they all turned themselves in over the next five years. (And because of their refusal to testify against each other, and prosecutorial bungling, most got off with little or no prison time.)

May 19 Coalition -- The remaining Weather Underground members who chose to stay underground and continue their terror campaign renamed themselves "The May 19 Coalition" (also sometimes called "The May 19th Coalition," or "The May 19th Collective"), so named after the birthday shared by Ho Chi Minh and Malcolm X.

May 19 Communist Organization -- In 1978, some members of the May 19 Coalition joined forces with the Prairie Fire Organizating Committee (an above-ground legal group composed of "former" Weather Underground members who had turned themselves in and been released from jail, as well as sympathizers) to form yet another group, the May 19 Communist Organization. They continued their terror attacks until mostly all being captured by 1985.

There -- confusing enough for you? To simplify things, and to avoid granting so much solemn legitimacy to the various names by which they referred to themselves over the years, I have throughout this essay referred to all these groups collectively by their most well-known name, the Weather Underground. The truth is, it's all the same people, over and over, just assigning themselves new names periodically, as if by doing so they have cast off the guilt of the crimes they committed under their previous name.

re: #61 Sizzlack

Ayers' term for bombing is "extreme vandalism".

Man there sure are a lot of extreme vandals operating in the Middle East.

Splodyvandals

Obama, Ayers, Dustin Hoffman and Me

[Link: jewssip.com...]

re: #151 maddogg

I wonder how Bill would explain his incredible incompetence as a bomb maker? Reliable bombs can be put together by semi-literate insurgents in Iraq, but oh so educated and sophisticated Ayers and his compadres blow their silly asses all over the walls. Not that I'm complaining. I just can't see how anyone would listen to someone who can't even master a simple explosive device. Smacks of simple stupidity.

Well, a lot has changed since the 70s.

Reliable digital timers are dirt cheap now and available in just about any dept store (eg Walmart), and information is disseminated much more easily via the internet, fax, etc.

I feel more disgust here about the NYT reporting this series of self-serving lies than Ayers making them. Of course Ayers is going to lie about what he did. . .he's a flipping terrorist. But the NYT printing this garbage is beyond the pale.

I'd bet there is plenty of coverage about the Weathermen from the pages of the NYT itself to contradict much of Ayers "editorial".

You may think that this little essay has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand.

If so, you are wrong.

The Quivering Upper Lip

To those of us Anglophiles whose impressions of the English were formed by movies of the 30s, 40s, and 50s, and books of the same or earlier vintage, it is to weep.

re: #113 Desert Dog

They got their wish with that. How many died after we pulled out of Vietnam? 2 million? 3 million? Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam...the boat
people. I never hear one peep from the AntiWar crowd from the 60's and
70's about that, not one word.

These are the same people today that wish us to withdrawl from Iraq
in the same manner. If the same bloodbath ensues, you will not hear a
peep from them about that either.

Actually Joan Baez did.

Joan protested the genocide in Cambodia and the Vietnamese "re-education camps." What was interesting were the responses from her comrades. When pressed, they issued statements (roughly quoted from memory) such as, "What Joan is doing is not relevant." The mainstream press apparently agreed.

Still, your point is well taken. In general, the political left has demonstrated that they really don't care about war, genocide, racism, or the environment. These are simply points of traction against the real enemy that they truly hate, namely the patriotic Americans standing in the way of their gaining power.

-sk

"wish I knew him better" -- that was in the ABC interview

[Link: www.clickondetroit.com...]

re: #139 Spar Kling
IIRC and has been said by others, they ALWAYS put nails in their bombs - usually because they hoped some unsuspecting security guard would walk by when the offices were closed and get killed by those nails.
And some were as well as were some cops.
They weren't "protestors" they were murderers. Thankfully for many people, Billy Ayers turned out to be incompetent at making bombs.

Time to go cut down the family Christmas tree. I bet when Sarah Palin does that, they'll bewail the murder of a defenseless plant.

List of Weatherman/Weather Underground Actions

Including:

"February 13, 1970 - Several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department are bombed in the police parking lot; February 16, 1970: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claims credit for either bombing. (See San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing.)"

"October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which Kathy Boudin and several former members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York on October 20, 1981. The robbers were stopped by police later that day and engaged them in a shootout, killing two police officers and one Brinks guard as well as wounding several others"

You're damn lucky to be alive, Bill and Bernie. "Accidents" do happen, say on the way to Police HQ, when you turned your vile, communist selves in.

Haven't read The Walter Duranty Times article and do NOT intend to.

re: #173 rightside

damn, those are some quick deletions.

To fast for me.

re: #176 ReneeJoy

The nails aren't intended to kill; they're intended to maim and do significant bodily harm.

Rat bastard.

As someone who has read material on improvised explosives, I assure you that given sufficient velocity, nails will go right through you, and kill you.

re: #175 solomonpanting
Nope, with this Op-Ed in the Leftist's favorite paper, they're hoping for Secretary of Education.

re: #143 realwest

The fact that Ayers and his lovely wife walked tells me someone blew it. I heard they went for everything and lost...kinda like OJ's first trial?

re: #121 lawhawk

His hatred of the US remains boundless, and he can fool some of the people, particularly those on the NYT editorial board, but he can't fool everyone.

I seriously don;t think he "fooled" them.

I think they hate the US just as much as he does, as does most of the MSM.

re: #197 3 wood

I seriously don;t think he "fooled" them.

I think they hate the US just as much as he does, as does most of the MSM.

Exactly...

re: #197 3 wood

I seriously don;t think he "fooled" them.

I think they hate the US just as much as he does, as does most of the MSM.

NYT times has been sucking Karl Marx's dick for decades.

*no I don't like them*

re: #194 maddogg

As someone who has read material on improvised explosives, I assure you that given sufficient velocity, nails will go right through you, and kill you.

They don't have to go through you to kill you.
They also don't have to kill you to ruin your day and the rest of your life.

The real Bill Ayers is a Communist Piece Of Shit.

re: #194 maddogg

As someone who has read material on improvised explosives, I assure you that given sufficient velocity, nails will go right through you, and kill you.

That reminds me if Mythbusters episode where they are looking at the lethality of different objects shot out of a cannon. While other things did more damage, the knives, forks and other pieces of shrapnel shredded the pigs they were using for targets iirc.

ayers should SUFFER much like our brave soldiers did at the hanoi hilton.

re: #152 jcm

I was trying to avoid deletion or banning by going light on the harm he deserves.

re: #200 looking closely

They don't have to go through you to kill you.
They also don't have to kill you to ruin your day and the rest of your life.

Oh come on... What are a few dozen high velocity nails among friends... /s

re: #188 Spar Kling

Actually Joan Baez did.

Joan protested the genocide in Cambodia and the Vietnamese "re-education camps." What was interesting were the responses from her comrades. When pressed, they issued statements (roughly quoted from memory) such as, "What Joan is doing is not relevant." The mainstream press apparently agreed.

Still, your point is well taken. In general, the political left has demonstrated that they really don't care about war, genocide, racism, or the environment. These are simply points of traction against the real enemy that they truly hate, namely the patriotic Americans standing in the way of their gaining power.

-sk

Sorry, but what Joan did to 'protest' the genocide wound up being nothing more than a publicity stunt. I was there in Bangkok when she and others showed up to do their Celebrity March on Cambodia via a dusty Thai trail to the border. It was a total joke and she's a complete fake.

I did get to meet some interesting people though.

re: #195 realwest

Nope, with this Op-Ed in the Leftist's favorite paper, they're hoping for Secretary of Education.

I see. And the program will be, what, Every Child on the Right to be Left
(Behind)?

re: #196 Desert Dog

The fact that Ayers and his lovely wife walked tells me someone blew it. I heard they went for everything and lost...kinda like OJ's first trial?

Bernadine got a light sentence and Ayers got off because of questions regarding the legality of the wiretap evidence that had been collected against him, IIRC.

Frankly, both of these should be poster children of the Mumia crowd - locked up next to the Unabomber and having their photos carried by moonbat crowds complaining of their being 'political prisoners'.

Instead we have the NYT rehabilitating this lying communist terrorist - and a President elect who thinks it provides him with street cred by being associated with him.

re: #171 FightingBack

From the NYT 9/11/2001:
"They [Ayers&Dohrn] have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead.

Hey, that's guilt by association!
// double sarc

re: #199 jcm

The NYT collaborates with him.

re: #203 newsjunkie_ky

ayers should SUFFER much like our brave soldiers did at the hanoi hilton.

Very nice to see you..hope you are well

re: #183 zombie
Yeah, zombie I apologize to you for not thanking you for that wonderful, journalistic (in the best sense of the word) piece you did on these murderers. It was truly an example of excellent research and writing and helped pull together the (sometimes intentionally awry) organizations and the same people who were involved in all of them.

re: #148 rightymouse

Does the NY Times not remember what they've printed before about Ayers? This, for example?

So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ''I don't want to discount the possibility,'' he said.

The man is utterly unrepentant.

I'm sure the NYT would cheer him on and defend him if he did it again.

Bills Ayers:"I never killed or injured anyone."

But you helped build the bombs that did.

re: #207 solomonpanting

I see. And the program will be, what, Every Child on the Right to be Left
(Behind) liquidated?

Fix't to reflect Ayer's true intentions...

The inventing of a lot of narrative this guy claims is plainly wrong. Ayers banks on willfull public ignorance to advance his agenda, and invent his own new story. He and his bomber wife might want to retract their victimhood and start portraying themselves as the hoodlums they really are. Simple search engine revelations reveal their deeply anti-American bomber history. And Obama does pal around with them.

As for the NYT, they might consider practicing objective and responsible journalism. They might regain some credibility.

Smile as this elk practices his delicate maneuvers. [Link: tinyurl.com...]
Have a nice day.

re: #204 Shay4l

I was trying to avoid deletion or banning by going light on the harm he deserves.

So was I...

Yes, the good do die young and the evil like Ayers live forever, apparently.
He and his modern causes-de-jour will prosper from all of this...disgusting, eh?

What a total waste of human or animal DNA! Primordial slime such as he runs counter to Darwin's theory of evolution and surely negates those who adhere to an 'intelligent design' theory.

Used to tell pals that I wouldn't wish a mate who was a Vegan or Vegetarian on my worst enemy. I stand corrected. May Ayers' mate be Vegan who also shuns bread, meatless pasta and vegetables!

re: #202 uncc_compman

That reminds me if Mythbusters episode where they are looking at the lethality of different objects shot out of a cannon. While other things did more damage, the knives, forks and other pieces of shrapnel shredded the pigs they were using for targets iirc.

Heh. During the Civil War, Rebel troops had a habit of loading all kinds of scrap metal in their cannon for close range assaults. One Yankee Sargent complained that those damn Rebels fired an entire blacksmith shot at him and he was hit with the anvil.

The fact remains. Many people around the world, especially young people, KNOW that Ayers is a bomber and an America-hater and a flag-stomping criminal.

And they think that's cool.

The courses he teaches are popular, always packed with students, because he is seen as cool. He is a celebrity BECAUSE he built bombs, stomps on flags, consorted with the North Vietnamese etc.

I posit that BHO was elected largely BECAUSE millions KNEW Ayers was a bombing radical, KNEW that he had fostered BHO, and LIKED that fact.

re: #215 picaro

Bills Ayers:"I never killed or injured anyone."

But you helped build the bombs that did.

His family had a lot of buffers.

re: #215 picaro

Bills Ayers:"I never killed or injured anyone."

But you helped build the bombs that did.

Hitler and Charles manson never killed anybody either. They just inspired symbolic acts

There are FBI documents floating around online suggesting that Ayers's wife, Dohrn, murdered a cop with a bomb, and escaped on a technicality. That same report says that Ayers likely knew all about it.

These people have blood on their hands.

re: #202 uncc_compman

That reminds me if Mythbusters episode where they are looking at the lethality of different objects shot out of a cannon. While other things did more damage, the knives, forks and other pieces of shrapnel shredded the pigs they were using for targets iirc.

Grapeshot A terrifying way to kill. From the 1700's up through the US Civil war, grapeshot killed and wounded many soliders (most who died or had amputations to survive). Anything hard you put into a bomb (or cannon) will shred and tear human flesh. There is only one reason to put nails or marbles or ball bearings into an explosive device.

re: #149 slymon

Someday soon, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert et al might actually have to go get real jobs (I know, pie in the sky, but a guy can dream, right?).

But what would they actually be qualified to do?

Be male prostitutes?

Roll drunks in the park?

re: #216 doriangrey

Fix't to reflect Ayer's true intentions...

He wouldn't do that. He's got children of his own.
semi///

re: #224 quickjustice

There are FBI documents floating around online suggesting that Ayers's wife, Dohrn, murdered a cop with a bomb, and escaped on a technicality. That same report says that Ayers likely knew all about it.

These people have blood on their hands.

Ayers was the planner, he was "too important" to get his hands dirty.

re: #10 MandyManners

He tried to make it sound as if that shit just happened!

Yeah, "accidental explosion", like a gas main erupted.

re: #142 zombie

Yes, some of them.

re: #122 realwest

" (blowing up empty offices without the intent to kill"
So why did they ALWAYS put lots of nails in their bombs? No intent to kill my ass.

Ok, then. The physical evidence of the nails should have proved intent to kill and resulted in convictions . . . unless a sympathetic judge believed them that they really did not intend to include nails and that the nails were not intended to kill anyone, just scare people, and were actually a form of public "kinetic art" and therefore protected by the First Amendment, etc.

-sk

re: #214 3 wood

I'm sure the NYT would cheer him on and defend him if he did it again.

No doubt about that.

re: #215 picaro

He clearly was an accessory with Dohrn, others in the Weather Underground, and their allies, who murdered cops and others. And he knew all about it.

Did Bill talk about the cool rings he and his wife were given by the North Vietnamese? Made out of downed U.S. aircraft.

Asshole

re: #211 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoopster,
I'm doing good. Got back from NYC then went to Cincy and this last week I've been babysitting granddaughter. I'm even babysitting over night tonight and tomorrow night even though tomorrow is my birthday.
Best thing, I finally find my new little furgirl. Went to WV to pick her up. She is a Pek-a-poo 5 months old and a lovebug.
How are you doing?

re: #203 newsjunkie_ky

ayers should SUFFER much like our brave soldiers did at the hanoi hilton.

Ayers and his ilk already suffer.

They suffer every time some Joe Sixpack makes it good in the USA without their helping hands.

They suffer every time some child escapes indoctrination and gets an education.

They suffer every month that the all-volunteer armed forces make their recruiting goals.

They suffer every time some indigent patient gets world-class health care at a for-profit hospital.

They suffer every time someone finishes the Pledge with "with liberty and justice for all."

They suffer all right. You can take that to the bank.

re: #215 picaro

Bills Ayers:"I never killed or injured anyone." (that you know of)

Fixed

re: #218 jcm

So was I...

Your idea was pretty good, but unlikely.

However, someone walking up to him and saying, "So you're Ayers, eh? The guy that was walking on the flag?" and punching him out is possible, though.

Oh well, I guess it's just fantasizing on the internet.

re: #224 quickjustice

There are FBI documents floating around online suggesting that Ayers's wife, Dohrn, murdered a cop with a bomb, and escaped on a technicality. That same report says that Ayers likely knew all about it.

These people have blood on their hands.

I do not recall Hitler personally gassing anyone in the concentration camps. I have not seen any historical documentation showing Emperor Hirohito or Gen. Tojo were on hand in Nanking bayoneting pregnant women...but, that does not take away their extreme guilt.

Ayers and the NYT should be ashamed of themselves...this article is one lie on top of another on top of another on top of another...and THEY KNOW IT!

re: #232 quickjustice
Ayers KNEW all about it - hell Ayers planned most of them.
As I said, he just lacks the personal courage to take on an armed guard or a cop the way his close pal Kathy Boudin did.
He's a POS in every sense of that word.

re: #236 Racer X

Fixed

Actually, the part left unsaid by Ayers, was 'who didn't deserve it'

The first post read my mind.

Liar.

Now they are trying to mainstream him.

To a lot of people, Ayers' crimes are a huge PLUS.

Same people who idolize Che Guevara. And BHO got celebrity by association -- and won.

So the N.Y. Times is giving a bully pulpit to Ayers? When can we expect the same courtesies for the families of the victims he and his organization murdered and maimed?

I'm opening a bottle of bubbly the day the NY Times goes down.

This is why it is so important to ALWAYS equate commies and nazis, there is zero intellectual difference, the ends always justifies the totalitarian means.

The absurdity factor is best illustrated by this intellectual exercise:

Imagine you declare US rapprochement with Cuba to be illegal and create a militant group to radicalize the people against this policy and begin plotting with other like minded yahoos to set bombs outside the homes of federal judges and plan to put nail bombs at a Firefighters' Christmas party...

The only question is the over-under on whether you would get 300 years in prison or 1162 as a lesson to the rest of us and you can certainly bet you won't get tenure at a State University.

Ayers talked a big Weather game then used his connections to avoid responsibility (something leftists Lenin excel at) and this defecates on the memories of his victims by ratifying his acts.

Were I an enterprising prosecutor, I would re-indict Ayers as an accessory after the fact in the original murders (for which double jeopardy does not apply) under the ratification theory of law that holds that ratification of a criminal act is equivalent to committing the act itself. I think the family of the murdered judge should sue Ayers for wrongful death too.

re: #235 razorbacker

Ayers and his ilk already suffer.

They suffer every time some Joe Sixpack makes it good in the USA without their helping hands.

They suffer every time some child escapes indoctrination and gets an education.

They suffer every month that the all-volunteer armed forces make their recruiting goals.

They suffer every time some indigent patient gets world-class health care at a for-profit hospital.

They suffer every time someone finishes the Pledge with "with liberty and justice for all."

They suffer all right. You can take that to the bank.

that is good. But I still want him to have some old fashioned physical pain and suffering. Bet he would squeal like the pig he is.

No one can reach my age with their eyes even partly open and not have hundreds of regrets.

"I regret that I didn't do more bombings."

Well it's been interesting, but my BP is now high enough, thank you kindly, so I'm gonna go eat some lunch.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

OT...

Let's go Hokies Clap Clap ClapClapClap!
Let's go Hokies Clap Clap ClapClapClap!

re: #238 Desert Dog

this article is one lie on top of another on top of another on top of another...and THEY KNOW IT!

Bingo, and as the saying goes, turtles all the way down.

re: #236 Racer X

There's good evidence Ayers knew what Dohrn was up to before she planted the bomb that killed the San Francisco cop.

re: #212 realwest

Yeah, zombie I apologize to you for not thanking you for that wonderful, journalistic (in the best sense of the word) piece you did on these murderers.

Don't be ridiculous. You don't need to apologize for anything! The goal was to get the word out to the public, not garner accolades. Many of us, you included, did our best to wake up the electorate.

The sad part?

There are thousands of people who will read this fucking bullshit and say to themselves "gee, that Bill Ayers guy isn't so bad".

Fuck you NY Times.

re: #223 Shug

Buffers, or Butlers? His wealthy father financed his defense, and got him off. But he is anti-capitalist-or is he? They did a lot of robberies, IIRC-isn't that capitalistic?

re: #234 newsjunkie_ky

Hey Hoopster,
I'm doing good. Got back from NYC then went to Cincy and this last week I've been babysitting granddaughter. I'm even babysitting over night tonight and tomorrow night even though tomorrow is my birthday.
Best thing, I finally find my new little furgirl. Went to WV to pick her up. She is a Pek-a-poo 5 months old and a lovebug.
How are you doing?

Well it's always great to hear from you..Glad things are going well for you..
We dressed Winston up yesterday and took Christmas pictures of him...
I'll send you some monday!

Our Founders put it all on the line their, "Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor," where all at risk.

From Gramsci to Marx, from Che to Kim, from Stalin to Ayers, these monsters would enslave humanity for their personal benefit always, alwayshide behind peons, the laws that benefit them and lies to avoid personal peril in their quest for utopia on the backs of everyone else.

The deserve the most contempt we can heap upon the them, along with there enablers in the media, supporters in government, and fellow travelers.

re: #252 Racer X

With a red hot poker

re: #226 3 wood

But what would they actually be qualified to do?

Be male prostitutes?

Roll drunks in the park?

Bob Herbert could go back to playing football.
/

If Mizzou beats Oklahoma I just might laugh myself to death

OK, Florida or Alabama today.

I'll take Florida.

re: #250 quickjustice

There's good evidence Ayers knew what Dohrn was up to before she planted the bomb that killed the San Francisco cop.

"Good evidence"? Those two were like identical twins back then. They both were 100% aware of and involved in whatever the other was doing.

Never purchased/read NYT. Never will!

re: #175 solomonpanting

Urban Affairs, in the Division of Over Crowding and Population Explosion

Good one!

/At least he hired people with real experience, unlike himself.

Maybe this rehab job on Ayers is because the Obama connection at Columbia is expected to surface?