Is Mona Charen Dreaming?

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Opinion • Sat Dec 6, 2008 at 12:31 pm PST • Views: 220

Mona Charen wonders whether she’s dreaming—because (as I’ve noticed too) a lot of the appointments being made by Barack Obama could just as well have come from John McCain.

Superstition almost forbids me to comment on President-elect Barack Obama’s appointments thus far. The news has been so shockingly welcome that I’m almost afraid to remark on it for fear of breaking the spell.

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1 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:34:31pm

We should all be very thankful that Obama seems willing to put aside his leftist ideology and socialist agenda in favor or a realistic game plan.

2 saberry0530  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:34:57pm

6 , 1/2 dozen. Socialist, communist. Its all the same to me

3 debutaunt  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:35:33pm

Obama's followers must be so far back on their heels over the appointments. When do they take out their silly picket signs?

4 alegrias  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:36:39pm

Let's not be lulled by Obama's top tier appointments which may appear centrist.

Obama can still fill the ranks, and the Purple Plum Book's 5,000 government jobs which are his to fill, with UNREPENTANT ranting leftists.

Obama may just be playing "Operation Chaos", switch & bait.

If he appoints leftists at Energy & Environmental Protection Agency, Obama can still SINK our economy futher with taxes on oil & coal & gas, and "green" mandates mandated by World Organizations.

Obama can still kill our countries' manufacturing base, in the whole South, not just Michigan.

5 monkeytime  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:36:50pm

Wow! Who knew we were going to get more of the same afterall!

6 Sheldon  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:37:12pm

Sooo - how many does that make that are right from center

7 Crepuscular Prick  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:37:38pm

I pray for the success of our country every day.

God save us from the idiots in DeeCee.

8 ClosetConservative  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:37:49pm

I'm glad that Obama hasn't lived up to the expectations of the left, but I recommend that we curb our enthusiasm. He has recently nominated Xavier Beccara, a California Democrat who has come out against both NAFTA and CAFTA (after first voting for one) and a member of Bernie Sander's (self-described socialist from VT) Progressive Caucus.

:(

9 alegrias  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:38:59pm

I haven't heard "Drill Here, Drill Now" from Obama, have you?

I haven't heard from Joe the Plumber either.

So no, I don't think Obama is thinking about expanding the US energy industry or helping the middle class & working Americans who aren't union people or trust funded extreme vandals.

10 alegrias  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:40:15pm

re: #7 Crepuscular Prick

I pray for the success of our country every day.

God save us from the idiots in DeeCee.

* * *
Hey! Some of us labor in DC to do just that, instead of just hoping God will do it.

11 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:40:36pm

He's still a Marxist.

12 seagreenroom  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:41:18pm

I don't trust him. I don't care who he appoints. His goal is the socialization of this country and its resources. I think what he's doing is laying down a smokescreen and he'll chip away little by little at our capitalist foundation.

Contrary to popular opinion, he's no genius, but he's smart enough to know he can't come in like a bull in a china shop and start dismantling things on day one.

13 alegrias  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:41:40pm

re: #11 JammieWearingFool

He's still a Marxist.

* * *
Pretending to be Santa Claus.

14 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:42:32pm

And why do you think this is? Because he is in debt to the power movers, not the right or the left in particular. He is following the wishes of money, not the people in the street who supported him.

McCain would have to have done the same thing.

Spooky, isn't it?

15 Steve  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:44:59pm

I don't know, but I just keep thinking: Keep you friends close but your enemies closer.

16 rightside  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:45:25pm

test

17 monkeytime  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:46:18pm

re: #15 Steve

I don't know, but I just keep thinking: Keep you friends close but your enemies closer.

Or...Crap, I really have no idea what I'm doing. hmmm...What would John McCain have done?

:>)

18 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:46:45pm

re: #5 monkeytime

Wow! Who knew we were going to get more of the same afterall!

The people voted for a politician. It shouldn't be that surprising.

What will be surprising is if Obama continues to be a centrist after his opening moves.

19 Shug  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:47:16pm

They're all sock puppets. Same masters

20 monkeytime  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:47:32pm

re: #18 Who Watches the Watchmen?


I really need to use my /sarc more often.
I'm not ready to celebrate by any means.

21 ClosetConservative  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:47:35pm

A confiscatory tax system geared towards wealth redistribution depresses job creation in the private sector.

Sorry, Slick Barry, but no amount of incanted "Hope-O-Change-O"s will change that reality.

22 Steve  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:47:39pm

re: #17 monkeytime

Or...Crap, I really have no idea what I'm doing. hmmm...What would John McCain have done?

:>)

Don't know what McCain would have done. Does not matter at this time, the Big O is going to be Prez.

23 Racer X  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:48:02pm

What happened to the PUMAs?

24 lawhawk  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:48:22pm

On the one hand, he's not completely filling out his Cabinet with full on Leftists. On the other, he's filling it with former Clintonites (and a Clinton too).

The best move was to keep Gates as Sec. Def., at least for the next year or two.

I'm concerned about the competency of Richardson, Clinton, and all the rest - and those are the most experienced of the bunch (the President included).

And that they could have just as easily have been picked by McCain doesn't exactly speak to McCain's judgment either.

25 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:48:26pm

re: #19 Shug

They're all sock puppets. Same masters

You got an up ding for that.

26 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:49:10pm

re: #23 Racer X

I don't think they existed in the meat world. They seem to have been like the Paulians; an internet phenomenon.

27 monkeytime  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:49:42pm

re: #22 Steve

Don't know what McCain would have done. Does not matter at this time, the Big O is going to be Prez.

Boy - I'm really bad at this. That was my sorry ass joke for what Obama was thinking - I did think to add "silly smile face" after to note I was being "silly".

28 pat  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:49:47pm

The consensus is my office is that Obama is so far out of his depth and has so few real beliefs that he is doing the most intelligent thing, appointing seemingly competent people. Even Hillary's appointment might be welcome. The most important attribute of a Sec Of State is not knowing geography and biography, it is intelligence, the ability to recognize nonsense, and patriotism. Hillary has those qualities.

29 Tuari  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:50:33pm

I obviously missed the distribution list for the redefinition of the word "centrist". So now, instead of meaning in the center, voting about 50% of the time each way, I guess centrist now means voting 80+% liberal.

30 jorline  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:51:05pm

Obama is now seeking the approval of the 48% that didn't vote for him.
His ultimate goal is to receive 100% of the vote in 1012...money and friendships are not an issue.

Party on Garth.

31 pat  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:51:09pm

re: #27 monkeytime

Boy - I'm really bad at this. That was my sorry ass joke for what Obama was thinking - I did think to add "silly smile face" after to note I was being "silly".

LOL. I got it. Happens to me all the time here also.

32 Steve  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:51:20pm

re: #27 monkeytime

Boy - I'm really bad at this. That was my sorry ass joke for what Obama was thinking - I did think to add "silly smile face" after to note I was being "silly".

I understand so don't worry about it. I can see the humor in it now;P

33 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:51:49pm

His "21st Century New Deal" looks...um...expensive.

34 Hucbald  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:53:01pm

Glenn Reynolds said, "It's as if we won." LOL!

I won't go THAT far, but it is nice to have the worst of my apocalyptic fears allayed.

35 Racer X  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:53:48pm

He sure seems to be getting cozy with Hillary. A little too cozy.

NSFW. Nudity

36 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:53:50pm

Footloose in Iraq...
Hip Hop Baghdad

37 Lee Coller  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:54:01pm

Unfortunately his attorney general doesn't fall in this category.

38 swamprat  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:54:02pm

I bet that if we continue the war occupation in Iraq, that there will be almost no protests, because the democrats were the ones behind those impromptu displays of social unrest.

"He's Obama, man. Don't you get it? We defeated the MAN!"

Uh, you drive a two year old Volvo, and you make almost as much as a lawyer. You are the man, and that "free Tibet" sticker doesn't change that. It just means that you kiss Russia's balls.

39 winston06  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:56:08pm

These appointments are all cover ups for the deeper and 2nd level appointments. Those will make differences and they can be dangerous to the future of the US

40 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:56:48pm

re: #38 swamprat

I bet that if we continue the war occupation in Iraq, that there will be almost no protests, because the democrats were the ones behind those impromptu displays of social unrest.

"He's Obama, man. Don't you get it? We defeated the MAN!"

Uh, you drive a two year old Volvo, and you make almost as much as a lawyer. You are the man, and that "free Tibet" sticker doesn't change that. It just means that you kiss Russia's balls.


It's scary how much emotional capital lefties put into who won the election. I shrugged, planned to pay a lot more in taxes, and started thinking about moving forward.

41 swamprat  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:56:58pm

re: #28 pat

The consensus is my office is that Obama is so far out of his depth and has so few real beliefs that he is doing the most intelligent thing, appointing seemingly competent people. Even Hillary's appointment might be welcome. The most important attribute of a Sec Of State is not knowing geography and biography, it is intelligence, the ability to recognize nonsense, and patriotism. Hillary has those qualities.


...and it gives her POWER!

42 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:57:29pm

Hillary? Jones? Susan Rice?

None are welcome in my mind except that they are maybe above the threshold of our worse expectations.

But then he has a lot of time.

And what we most have to remember is that if today he is betraying and disappointing his most ardent and original supporters- what does it say about his character or what he may have in store for the rest of us in the future.

43 Blue Eyed Music Lover  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:58:26pm

Incrementalism. He is saving the real commies for the lifetime appointments to the Federal bench.

44 swamprat  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 12:59:52pm

re: #35 Racer X

That ain't right.

45 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:01:31pm

re: #42 Opinionated


The genius of the Founders is that many of the people he needs to implement outrageous ideas are up for election in two years.

46 Gallatin  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:01:43pm

Appointing centrists (and I use the term loosely) doesn't mean he has to listen
to their advice. More style over substance from The Lightweight Lightworker.

-Gallatin

47 SaneInMN  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:06:22pm

So, let me get this straight. Hillary Clinton is a "centrist" because she voted for the war? That makes a lot of Democrats "centrists", including John Kerry. Are we all so shell-shocked following the election that anyone Obama appoints who is not a former terrorist automatically transforms into a "centrist"? And how about James "the surge will never work" Jones, Samantha "lets invade Israel" Powers, and I can't wait for his judicial appointments. Wake up people!

48 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:07:54pm

I think he must be modelling himself after JFK, if not FDR, he's just wise enough not to run his mouth about it like one Bubba Jefferson Clinton used to.

49 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:08:26pm

Let's wait and see what kind of judges he puts up...if they are all middle of road centrists, I would be very surprised. He has to pay off the looney left somewhere...

I am surprised by his choices, but come on, these are Clinton leftovers...not as liberal as I thought, but hardly people that will do things the way conservatives want them too...Of course, President Bush has hardly been the standard bearer of conservative ideals for the past 8 years.

50 Mauser  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:08:32pm

Saying McCain would have appointed these people doesn't make me feel any better, more like we dodged one bullet to get hit with another.

It also says to me that the field of choices needs to be a LOT bigger in the future.

51 solomonpanting  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:09:27pm

re: #39 winston06

These appointments are all cover ups for the deeper and 2nd level appointments. Those will make differences and they can be dangerous to the future of the US

If the goal is to subvert change the country from within, then yes, his domestic appointments are the ones to watch.

52 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:09:32pm

re: #45 Shay4l

The genius of the Founders is that many of the people he needs to implement outrageous ideas are up for election in two years.

A President's most potent powers are in foreign affairs where he can do tremendous damage without any Congressional help. See Jimmy Carter.

Even domestically, Democrats have a sense of invincibility where their most fervent Leftists seem to always go to rubber stamp elections. See Charles Rangel who both writes tax legislation and ignores tax laws as he sees fit with no censure or penalty from his colleagues or constituents.

53 itellu3times  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:09:35pm

re: #33 Who Watches the Watchmen?

His "21st Century New Deal" looks...um...expensive.

Expensive? What's expensive anymore. I mean, I just don't know. Maybe nobody does. A trillion here, a trillion there, soon it adds up to real money.
/dirksen * 1000

54 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:10:44pm

&#9834 &#9836 Good afternoon, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

:D

55 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:10:50pm

re: #52 Opinionated

A President's most potent powers are in foreign affairs where he can do tremendous damage without any Congressional help. See Jimmy Carter.

Even domestically, Democrats have a sense of invincibility where their most fervent Leftists seem to always go to rubber stamp elections. See Charles Rangel who both writes tax legislation and ignores tax laws as he sees fit with no censure or penalty from his colleagues or constituents.


Yep, I recognize that. I'm just being optimistic, is all.

56 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:12:23pm

re: #54 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good afternoon, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

:D


And a cheery good afternoon to you, li'l lady!

57 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:14:41pm

re: #56 Shay4l

And a cheery good afternoon to you, li'l lady!

Had to ding you up - great avatar! :D

/Wait. That didn't come out right ...

:P

58 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:15:16pm

re: #57 Miss Trixie

Had to ding you up - great avatar! :D

/Wait. That didn't come out right ...

:P


That's OK. Luv mah dog

59 Racer X  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:15:42pm
60 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:15:52pm

re: #34 Hucbald

Glenn Reynolds said, "It's as if we won." LOL!

I won't go THAT far, but it is nice to have the worst of my apocalyptic fears allayed so far.

fixed that for ya!

/just give him time...

61 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:18:53pm

re: #54 Miss Trixie

Good afternoon Miss Trixie. How's the weather treating you today?

62 redc1c4  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:18:59pm

nothing he does changes the fact that he's duplicitous untrustworthy bullshit artist who's care and concern for the safety and longevity of this country and it's form of government are suspect at best.

63 sawblade88  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:19:38pm

These cabinet appointments are about as good as could be hoped for -- experience and not leftist nuts.
The place to watch is the second tier -- those are the people who will be in place if the current upper-level decide to get out. If there is a second BHO term, we will likely see the current cabinet largely retire, and the replacements come from the 'experienced' second level. Replacement is likely -- cabinet positions lead to burnout quickly.

64 AuldTrafford  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:19:46pm

re: #50 Mauser

At best, Charen is saying, "It could be worse". Let's not kid ourselves that McCain's picks (assuming they'd be about the same as Barry's) would be anything to get excited about.

65 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:19:47pm

Sipping a snifter of warmed brandy - got to get the blood going after the anti-coalition protest on Parliament Hill today.

What a blast! But this Canucksicle's taking a looong time to defrost. :D

66 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:20:24pm

I would like to have seen Sarah Palin as Secretary of Health and Human Services.

With Trig and all she would have the compassion for the job.

And the squeals of the leftists would have been deafening.


And here is some granite, the sun has warmed it up.

67 FightingBack  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:20:48pm

Mona. Do not doubt The One.

68 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:21:08pm

re: #65 Miss Trixie

Sipping a snifter of warmed brandy - got to get the blood going after the anti-coalition protest on Parliament Hill today.

What a blast! But this Canucksicle's taking a looong time to defrost. :D

Awesome...Miss Trixie It's snowing here

69 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:22:04pm

re: #61 BlueCanuck

Good afternoon Miss Trixie. How's the weather treating you today?

Hiya Blue.

It was snowing to beat the band on the way to the Hill but when I arrived, the sun beamed upon us. Around -2 so it's not too bad and surrounded by 1000's of peeps cut the wind somewhat.

I'm working on a slideshow to post - will let you know. Did you go to the rally on TO today or am I thinking abut Kenneth?

70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:23:20pm

Completely OT - Naval Museum FAIL

71 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:23:22pm
72 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:24:17pm

re: #62 redc1c4

He may change. The pressures of that office would change almost anyone.

73 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:24:20pm

*snaps fingers*

Garcon! Kindly get a large snifter of your best brandy to Hoosier and put on my tab.

/Settles into the comfy wing chair by the fire. :)

74 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:29:30pm

re: #69 Miss Trixie

I don't know if Kenneth was there at Queen's Park, but I was. Got some shots posted on Flickr already. Also made a stop at City Hall for the pro rally. Still warming up as well, -3° C here with snow. No sun at all. Working on my report to post on my Live Journal account and some video for Youtube.

/and I still have to wind down for a nap before work.

75 shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:30:45pm

It's kind of fascinating going on LGF Spy with the ratings box checked, and watching individuals go through threads up or downdinging comments.

IngisKhan is having a field day this afternoon trying to affect karma, apparently.

76 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:30:56pm

re: #73 Miss Trixie

*snaps fingers*

Garcon! Kindly get a large snifter of your best brandy to Hoosier and put on my tab.

/Settles into the comfy wing chair by the fire. :)

Still drinking cold cerveza here in the desert

77 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:31:11pm

re: #73 Miss Trixie

*snaps fingers*

Garcon! Kindly get a large snifter of your best brandy to Hoosier and put on my tab.

/Settles into the comfy wing chair by the fire. :)

Thank you dear..
Christmas shopping..It looms like a cloud..Some stuff is easy..other stuff is really hard..
Last year we kids got our dad an indy racing experience at the indy 500 where they drive you in the back of a racing car at 180 m/hr..He was thrilled..I haven't a clue what to do this year..And the wife? oy..who knows..

78 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:33:20pm
79 Joan  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:33:29pm

re: #63 sawblade88

law 45 preach change but never reform too much at once
law 3 conceal your intentions

80 Fat Jolly Penguin  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:33:32pm

re: #70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL. Buncha BDS in the comments, though.

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:33:59pm

re: #59 Racer X

The Breathtaking Beauty of INDIA

Gorgeous!
THANK YOU!

82 Paul  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:34:20pm

Let's wait a year or so before we congratulate each other on dodging Obama's political bullets. He'll be appointing many federal judges, attorneys, and upper echelon bureaucrats---there'll be lots of opportunities to inflict real damage on our country.

83 UberInfidel67  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:34:25pm

re: #59 Racer XWhat a gorgeous land. Such rich beauty and history. ...and then you have those who want to detroy it. :(

84 godfrey  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:34:36pm

These people serve at the pleasure of the Prez. He can fire at will when he wants. Their appointments are good politics now, and O also knows that he knows so little that he needs people who aren't complete ideological wack jobs to give him at least a few months of decent advice. It remains to be seen how his own agenda will come out.

Of course, his appointments of hard-left extremists to the federal judiciary will go unreported.

85 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:36:11pm

re: #76 Desert Dog

Ya know - one day I'm going to get to Arizona. It's on my list so keep those cerveza's cold.

Blue

Can't wait to see them - you'll post here?

Hoosier

I feel for you, I really do. Most of mine's all done with the exception of choosing some Canadian made yummy goodies to send to my peeps south of the border.

86 godfrey  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:37:08pm

re: #59 Racer X

Dang, those are nice images!

87 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:38:48pm
88 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:38:52pm

re: #85 Miss Trixie

Ya know - one day I'm going to get to Arizona. It's on my list so keep those cerveza's cold.

Blue

Can't wait to see them - you'll post here?

Hoosier

I feel for you, I really do. Most of mine's all done with the exception of choosing some Canadian made yummy goodies to send to my peeps south of the border.

There are quite a few Canadians down here in the winter months...all of them driving in front of me in the fast lane with their blinkers on! :-)

Seriously, you should come on down, it's a beautiful place..unique to the world

89 bill-tb  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:39:28pm

Obammunism ... it all stinks. I guess the entire Obama ecomnomics team can go home now, having exhausted all their available brainpower on the failed FDR WPA.

One word you will never come to associate with Obama -- character. Not to worry, there are plenty of other choice words available.

90 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:40:31pm

I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

91 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:40:53pm

re: #85 Miss Trixie

Ya know - one day I'm going to get to Arizona. It's on my list so keep those cerveza's cold.

Blue

Can't wait to see them - you'll post here?

Hoosier

I feel for you, I really do. Most of mine's all done with the exception of choosing some Canadian made yummy goodies to send to my peeps south of the border.

:)
really..shopping for the people i love most in the world is one of the fun things i get to do...
But..it can be hard work.. *wink*

92 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:41:26pm

re: #85 Miss Trixie

Well I posted two links in two threads previous, but here you go again. Pro-rally, and Anti-rally.

/video will take a bit longer, along with the write up.

93 BBEV  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:41:50pm

re: #87 taxfreekiller

when I'm bored and pissed off at the msm
and have a beer or two down dinging cognito
is a karma moment in time,,,

did it the first time, thinking cog would be
checking his karma,and within an hr. he was
on the blog bitching and msming about it.

You are a cruel person. :-]

94 rawmuse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:42:14pm

I don't worry so much about their agenda, we all know what that is. The thing that worries me are the unintended consequences of all these walnut sized brains all in one place. We have already had a fair dose of that with the housing collapse.

95 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:42:32pm

SOUTH SHORE SURF:
1-3 ft - ankle to waist high and fair-good conditions.
Waves on south shore smaller than yesterday, but still rideable.
NORTH SHORE SURF:
8-12 ft. - 3 ft. overhead to double overhead + with occasional 15 ft. and good-epic conditions.
Another amazing day of surf on the north shore today as the WNW swell is on the decline but still providing awesome waves with epic conditions.

Wax 'em if ya got 'em...

96 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:42:54pm

... blinkers on.

*snort*

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Short Video on the Hill

Another One just before the rally started.

97 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:43:00pm

Who controls the UN?

You know, the UN which passes anti Israel and pro Arab resolutions daily. The UN which criticizes the US and supports dictators and despots all the time. That UN.

Now guess what they believe in that parallel universe that inhibits the Muslim mind.

Most Muslims convinced of US control over UN

Dubai: There is widespread belief in Muslim countries that the United Nations is controlled by the United States, a survey of up to seven predominantly Muslim nations has found.

The survey by WorldPublicOpinion.org covered Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Iran, Indonesia, the Palestinian Territories, Azerbaijan and Muslims in Nigeria.

[Link: www.gulfnews.com...]

98 bellamags  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:43:08pm

Like it or not, Obama will be the president for the next four years. As a country we will surely see more though times ahead and we should all pray that Obama does the right thing and makes thoughtful decisions.

99 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:43:12pm

re: #94 rawmuse

I don't worry so much about their agenda, we all know what that is. The thing that worries me are the unintended consequences of all these walnut sized brains all in one place. We have already had a fair dose of that with the housing collapse.

Walnut's? We should be so lucky...I think we have reached the "pea" level

100 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:43:55pm

re: #95 IslandLibertarian

SOUTH SHORE SURF:
1-3 ft - ankle to waist high and fair-good conditions.
Waves on south shore smaller than yesterday, but still rideable.
NORTH SHORE SURF:
8-12 ft. - 3 ft. overhead to double overhead + with occasional 15 ft. and good-epic conditions.
Another amazing day of surf on the north shore today as the WNW swell is on the decline but still providing awesome waves with epic conditions.

Wax 'em if ya got 'em...

Thats not even fair

101 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:45:47pm

re: #96 Miss Trixie

What's going to happen with the government up there? Do the left and the separatists really have enough clout to pull off the unseating of the conservatives? How can that be...they lost, fair and square, right?

102 BBEV  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:46:54pm

re: #95 IslandLibertarian

SOUTH SHORE SURF:
1-3 ft - ankle to waist high and fair-good conditions.
Waves on south shore smaller than yesterday, but still rideable.
NORTH SHORE SURF:
8-12 ft. - 3 ft. overhead to double overhead + with occasional 15 ft. and good-epic conditions.
Another amazing day of surf on the north shore today as the WNW swell is on the decline but still providing awesome waves with epic conditions.

Wax 'em if ya got 'em...

May I ask your location? Because if your talking the North East, I'm not in.

103 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:46:57pm

re: #33 Who Watches the Watchmen?

His "21st Century New Deal" looks...um...expensive.

Some of it makes sense if we get to pay 2% or 3% interest on the debt to float it.

Right now we have people around the world buying treasuries to protect their money so the cost of borrowing is low while the dollar rises. Some public infrastructure needs to be redone and doing it while the interest rate is less than inflation for the last 10 years makes sense.

The "greening" of federal buildings sounds like a make work boon doggle, however. It would cost far less to simply throw 30 more nuclear powerplants on the grid and you'd end up with a better outcome carbon wise.

104 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:47:16pm

Thanks Blue. It seems to me that the lefties are a morose lot of losers with enormous gobs of anger stuck in their throat and in comparison to the opposite, reveals a positive, strong, well-informed and cheerful bunch making their voices heard.

WITH manners.

105 CynicalConservative  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:47:26pm

From an NRA Email I got today... (long, sorry)

Obama's FIRST attack on YOU: Appointing Illinois Congressman Rahm Emanuel to be White House Chief of Staff. In Congress, Emanuel earned an "F" rating from NRA, and while working in the Clinton Administration, he was known as the "point man on gun control." He is an avowed enemy of the Second Amendment and will wield enormous power in the battle for the future of our firearm freedoms.

Obama's SECOND attack on YOU: If Hillary Clinton is confirmed as Secretary of State, she'll rip the Second Amendment right out of the Bill of Rights. She'll be our nation's top diplomat with the power to determine whether the United Nations will pass, and Obama will sign, a global gun ban treaty that will surrender our Second Amendment rights and our national sovereignty.

Obama's THIRD attack on YOU: Nominating ex-Senator and former Majority Leader Tom Daschle-an avowed enemy of NRA-to be Secretary of Health and Human Services. NRA was responsible for defeating Daschle when he ran in South Dakota for re-election to the Senate. If Daschle is confirmed, he could hold the ultimate power to declare guns a "public health menace" and regulate away our essential liberties.

Obama's FOURTH attack on YOU: Nominating Eric Holder to be Attorney General. As former Assistant Attorney General, Holder was a key architect and vocal advocate for the Clinton era's sweeping gun ban agenda. He supported national handgun licensing, mandatory trigger locks, and ending gun shows as we know them.

Just recently, Holder opposed the District of Columbia's Heller decision that declared the Second Amendment an individual right. Holder also called for reviving the Clinton gun bans and, as Attorney General, would fight in court to prevent the landmark Heller decision from being made applicable to state and local governments.

Worst of all, if Holder is confirmed as the nation's top law-enforcement officer, he would control BATFE and wield enormous power to harass gun owners and sue America's arms makers out of existence.

Obama's FIFTH attack on YOU: In the job application for the Obama Administration, he made it clear that gun owners are second-class citizens and told 80 million gun owners not to even bother applying for a job. In the "White House Personnel Data Questionnaire" he asked:

"Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide
complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever
lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has
been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."

This chilling notice to gun owners-that they are not welcome to serve in his Administration-shows the deep hostility for Americans' Second Amendment Freedoms that Obama and his Administration have in their hearts.

On its face, that question endorses gun registration-a mandate in only five states in our nation-and buys into the anti-gun premise that firearms are inherently dangerous and gun owners are prone to misusing them.

That's an outrageous mindset, especially for the President-elect whose sworn duty will be to uphold the U.S. Constitution, including our right to keep and bear arms.

Obama CLEARLY wants to make gun registration the law of the land.

First for employees under his control...AND THEN FOR YOU.

Working with a Congress dominated by gun haters like Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, John Conyers, Henry Waxman, and Charles Schumer!

Rubbing salt in gun owner wounds is the Brady Campaign, which just issued a completely bogus poll claiming that two-thirds of the Americans-including 60% of all gun owners-favor gun registration, licensing of firearm owners, and other sweeping restrictions on our firearm freedoms!

106 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:48:21pm

Hey All. Did anyone catch that whackjob Medea Benjamin on Fox last night whining about Obama's picks, that there are no "Anti War" picks yet? Meaning no far left whackos?

107 Joan  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:48:51pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

We should all be very thankful that Obama seems willing to put aside his leftist ideology and socialist agenda in favor or a realistic game plan.

I do hope you are right. Surely he doesn't want his "legacy" to be a shambles, or worse, a smouldering ruin.

108 BBEV  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:49:10pm

Before the election I was saying to people if McCain wins I will be building housing projects again and If Obama wins I will be building bridges, guess I will be building bridges.

109 Joan  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:49:32pm

BTW: I heard McCain is going to PockyStahn.

110 Babydoc97  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:50:07pm

re: #28 pat

If Hillary had the ability to recognize nonsense, she wouldn't have defended her husband's lie about Lewinsky.

If she was patriotic, she wouldn't be a follower of Alinsky.

111 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:50:15pm

BHO appointed a leading La Raza staffer to Dept. of Intragovernmental Affairs:

[Link: www.nclr.org...]

112 AuntAcid  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:50:34pm

re: #98 bellamags

Like it or not, Obama will be the president for the next four years. As a country we will surely see more though times ahead and we should all pray that Obama does the right thing and makes thoughtful decisions.

Does that praying thing really work 'cause if it does I'll stop dieting and just pray the extra 20 lbs. away. Sooo much easier that way.

113 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:52:32pm

re: #106 CapeCoddah

Hey All. Did anyone catch that whackjob Medea Benjamin on Fox last night whining about Obama's picks, that there are no "Anti War" picks yet? Meaning no far left whackos?

i enjoy watching the big clueless smiles slowly disappearing from the looney left's faces. Their man, the ONE, the Obamessiah, the one true leader that was going to bring hope and change to Washington, the Anti-War guy from the get-go, is slowly and quietly turning into Bill Clinton Jr before their eyes. He started heading to the center the second he won the nomination from the Hildebeast. They just haven't noticed it yet (or don't want to believe their own eyes)

114 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:52:40pm

re: #101 Desert Dog
Well they can with the support of the separtist party. It would be ugly and if it happened we would probably see another election in the near future.

re: #104 Miss Trixie

No problem, thanks for your videos. Mine are currently queued up and loading to Youtube. When they are ready I will link them as well.

115 LoFlyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:52:56pm

re: #99 Desert Dog

Walnut's? We should be so lucky...I think we have reached the "pea" level

Obama has got to be a little antsy about winning the boobie prize, President of the US! Obama knows he cannot do any of major policy changes he wanted such as raising taxes and destroying the military. I suspect Obama now has a lot more respect for Bush and his "failed" administration than anyone will admit mates.

116 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:53:15pm

re: #102 BBEV

Right here...

117 NelsFree  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:53:36pm

re: #107 Joan

I'm sure Jimmy Carter had only the best expectations for his Administration...

118 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:53:53pm

re: #87 taxfreekiller

when I'm bored and pissed off at the msm
and have a beer or two down dinging cognito
is a karma moment in time,,,

did it the first time, thinking cog would be
checking his karma,and within an hr. he was
on the blog bitching and msming about it.


People who worry about updings and downdings from total strangers on the internet are a little too self-absorbed. I guess that describes Cog.

Didn't agree very often with the incognito, but at least they were erudite.

119 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:54:02pm

re: #115 LoFlyer

Maybe he is smart, afterall

120 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:54:52pm

re: #105 CynicalConservative

In the "White House Personnel Data Questionnaire" he asked:

"Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide
complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever
lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has
been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."

Is that really true? Piss off, it is none of their business.
Besides, when do you have to register every "gun"?

People who would write things like that should never know where all the guns rifles are.

What dangerous morons.

121 Desert Dog  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:54:56pm

re: #118 Shay4l

Cognito is being referred to in the past tense...has he been "re-banned" again?

122 Miss Trixie  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:55:02pm

re: #101 Desert Dog

What's going to happen with the government up there? Do the left and the separatists really have enough clout to pull off the unseating of the conservatives? How can that be...they lost, fair and square, right?

Our Governor General has declared a pro-rogue or time-out until January 26 when the Conservatives (who won fair and square as a minority) will table the budget. If the opposition votes it down, which they probably will, I believe another election will be called and Harper will take the majority. If they accept, we continue as a minority government.

All the folks I spoke to today are absolutely INCENSED over the Three Stooges and it's going to cost them a lot of voters.

123 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:55:05pm

re: #113 Desert Dog

Yeah, I noticed, but, I am still very cautious, to say the least.

124 bellamags  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:55:27pm

re: #115 LoFlyer

Hey LoFlyer! Whats up? I have to split from the thread right now to close up shop. Should be back later.

125 BBEV  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:57:06pm

re: #116 IslandLibertarian

Right here...

I've been there and you suck :-) I Love it there. And good Property Management jobs? or construction management?

126 CynicalConservative  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:57:32pm

re: #120 Ojoe

Is that really true? Piss off, it is none of their business.
Besides, when do you have to register every "gun"?

People who would write things like that should never know where all the guns rifles are.

What dangerous morons.

Yeah, I think the questionnaire has been discussed here previously, but I don't have references at my fingertips. Frightening all the way around.

127 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 1:58:22pm

re: #121 Desert Dog

Cognito is being referred to in the past tense...has he been "re-banned" again?

Can't say for sure but they used to be all over the threads, especially on the weekend, and I haven't seen them.

128 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:00:39pm

re: #125 BBEV

I've been there and you suck :-) I Love it there. And good Property Management jobs? or construction management?

Maybe crowd control when the Big "0" comes to vacation.

Seriously, there's lots of PM agencies...construction is tanking.
Thank You Dodd and Frank!

129 ArchangelMichael  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:02:22pm

re: #97 Opinionated

Who controls the UN?

You know, the UN which passes anti Israel and pro Arab resolutions daily. The UN which criticizes the US and supports dictators and despots all the time. That UN.

Now guess what they believe in that parallel universe that inhibits the Muslim mind.

Most Muslims convinced of US control over UN

[Link: www.gulfnews.com...]

IIRC this same group polled Muslims in the same countries a couple years ago and one of the questions was "What percentage of the US population is Jewish?" The answers they got were always 80-90%. In reality its more like 2-3%. So apparently most Muslims are convinced that there is little to no difference between the US and Israel either.

130 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:04:43pm

re: #127 Shay4l

Can't say for sure but they used to be all over the threads, especially on the weekend, and I haven't seen them.

No, he was out and about this morning.

131 BBEV  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:05:12pm

re: #128 IslandLibertarian

Maybe crowd control when the Big "0" comes to vacation.

Seriously, there's lots of PM agencies...construction is tanking.
Thank You Dodd and Frank!

Well it's tanking here also but right now I am good till September of 2009, but the wife needs to move to warmer clims.

132 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:08:47pm

re: #130 reine.de.tout

No, he was out and about this morning.

Ah, thanks for the heads up. I'll have to see about getting something for high blood pressure :D

133 Zimriel  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:10:08pm

re: #115 LoFlyer

Obama has got to be a little antsy about winning the boobie prize, President of the US! Obama knows he cannot do any of major policy changes he wanted such as raising taxes and destroying the military. I suspect Obama now has a lot more respect for Bush and his "failed" administration than anyone will admit mates.

Did someone say... "boobie"?

134 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:12:40pm

Okay, I have my video's uploaded and ready. Here's the video from the Pro-Rally. Why must they left always have drums anyway? I am still waiting for the other video to be finished processing. When it's done I will link it as well.

136 LoFlyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:17:00pm

re: #124 bellamags

Hey LoFlyer! Whats up? I have to split from the thread right now to close up shop. Should be back later.

Sounds good mate, I am drifting in and out from some other sites I am surfin'

137 LoFlyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:17:19pm

re: #133 Zimriel

Did someone say... "boobie"?

Drink!

138 chilly  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:17:33pm

Sorry if this has been posted already; can't remember where I first stumbled across this:
[Link: www.spectator.co.uk...]

Melanie Phillips is on the case, as usual. This just confirms the sense I already had that he's doing a rope-a-dope. He's putting (mostly, comparatively) common-sense people into the important positions to keep the wolves at bay while he gets to work on the stuff that's most important to him. Hold onto your wallets...

139 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:18:53pm

re: #131 BBEV

We've got the best weather in the world, but it's a hard place to get a foothold.
Expect to earn 10% less and pay 15% more.
Gas is $2.50/gal, and we're stoked about that.
Rents for condo average $1500-$2000/mo.
And don't ask about buying a firearm.
A bureaucratic nightmare!

140 winston06  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:20:40pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

We should all be very thankful that Obama seems willing to put aside his leftist ideology and socialist agenda in favor or a realistic game plan.

don't be too hopeful

141 winston06  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:21:25pm

re: #51 solomonpanting

agreed

142 LoFlyer  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:23:39pm

OT, here mates is a nice tune from the Doobies, South city midnight lady. The image is what I love to see when dropping into a slope!

143 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:23:50pm

Does it get any better? Duke losing to Mich. with 40 sec. left.. I may faint today yet

144 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:24:28pm

re: #129 ArchangelMichael

Isn't it ironic that Arabs/Islamics claim to have invented the numeric system but anytime they add anything up their answer is inevitably - Jews.

145 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:24:58pm

re: #134 BlueCanuck

Okay, second video is ready. Here's the Anti-Coalition rally.

146 Maximu§  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:26:51pm

a lot of the appointments being made by Barack Obama could just as well have come from John McCain.

Call me a optimist, but I take this as good news. Perhaps some of those daily threat briefings given to Obama and his team have sunk in.

147 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:26:59pm

re: #120 Ojoe

People who would write things like that should never know where all the guns rifles are.

What dangerous morons.

If you haven't seen(or even if you have) listen to what Suzanna Gratia-Hupp states in the last couple of minutes of this video.

148 ornery elephant  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:27:52pm

Holder as Attorney General? Richardson as Secretary of Commerce? Napalitano as Head of Homeland Security? Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff?

You can break that spell any damn time, as far as I'm concerned.

149 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:28:27pm

Mich. beats Duke for the first time since 97..
I need oxygen

150 BBEV  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:29:13pm

re: #146 Maximu§

a lot of the appointments being made by Barack Obama could just as well have come from John McCain.

Call me a optimist, but I take this as good news. Perhaps some of those daily threat briefings given to Obama and his team have sunk in.

I'm thinking the same thing. Reality is a real bummer

151 justiceforall  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:29:14pm

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

152 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:29:25pm

re: #148 ornery elephant

Holder as Attorney General? Richardson as Secretary of Commerce? Napalitano as Head of Homeland Security? Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff?

You can break that spell any damn time, as far as I'm concerned.

You read my mind. And Hillary for State? McCain would have done that?

153 saberry0530  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:30:51pm

re: #77 HoosierHoops

Send him to the Petty Driving Experience. He actually gets to DRIVE the car. Way better than just riding.

154 ornery elephant  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:31:00pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

Libraries full of Mao's Little Red Book? And interstate highways leading to "re-education camps" ?

155 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:31:09pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

Right- because capitalists and conservatives would never fund those things. ///

156 CynicalConservative  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:31:44pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

Forget our meds today, did we?

157 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:33:41pm
158 Killian Bundy  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:33:47pm

Egyptian paper urges top cleric to purify his hand after Peres handshake

Several opposition newspapers and lawmakers in Egypt called on the country's top Islamic cleric to resign Saturday for shaking the Israeli president's hand at a conference.

. . .

The paper called on Tantawi - the sheik of al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's pre-eminent institution and oldest university - to ritually purify his hands after the shake.

/the horror

159 Kenneth  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:34:35pm

re: #145 BlueCanuck

Hey good crowd! Did you shoot that video?

160 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:34:37pm

This is all part of the Alinsky method. Obama's first term will be about consensus building, coopting any opposition he can coopt and marginalizing->delegitimizing->demonizing any other opposition, and building out new institutions and networks, appointing his people to key positions, appointing his judges, introducing "localism" into the media, etc.

The long march through the institutions is starting the final phase from inside the positions of power. The bailouts and public projects Obama's announced already spell the end of capitalism. Obama will introduce lots of "new thinking" that will all come down to increasing government control over all aspects of life.

There was a documentary about the US Constitution on public access tv here in New York recently that made the argument it's time to change the constitution, that it's basically a product of racism, that it's no longer of this time, etc.

They're going to put in practice ideas, strategies and tactics that have been developed in activist organizations and liberal arts departments over the last forty years. Republicans and people in the business world, who've spent their lives actually doing stuff, are clearly clueless how "the left" operates.

I can't believe how naive and gullible people are. This is depressing.

161 Opinionated  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:35:00pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

The Left wants to make gas prohibitively expensive.

Who's going to be able to afford to drive on those new interstate highways, Comrade?

162 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:35:06pm
163 Shay4l  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:35:15pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

No, I think it's more those tens of millions dead and hundreds of millions in misery over the last 100 years

164 solomonpanting  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:35:53pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

Friends don't let friends read and drive.

165 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:36:28pm

re: #153 saberry0530

Send him to the Petty Driving Experience. He actually gets to DRIVE the car. Way better than just riding.

They let you drive in the indy experience.. but the car only goes to 120 mph and you have to follow another driver..
Some french driver by the name of gregory or something drove him around.
He said it was a thrill of a lifetime to get run around the speedway..We all got our pictures taken with him in his racing suit..
/I'm hinting that somebody should give this present to the hoopster..We'll see how well people listen..

166 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:37:08pm

re: #159 Kenneth

Yes I did. Don't know what the media is saying about it though. I heard that they said 2,000 showed up to the one at Nathan Phillip's Square though.

167 Zimriel  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:37:43pm

Obama's trying to calm the markets with a promise that the next two years will not become a revolutionary, Jacobin mess.

I agree that it's the second tier which deserves scrutiny. That's assuming we want to continue living here after 2010, and not to cash out and emigrate to the Free Republic of Alberta.

168 IslandLibertarian  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:39:06pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

Q:How many Public Workers does it take to run a backhoe?
A:Seven. One backhoe operator, two flagmen, and four to hold the ground steady.

169 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:39:15pm

Anyone remember the Claus and Martha "Sunny" Von Bulow case from the early 80's. She finally passed away after 28 years in a coma. Another killer who got away with what he did.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

170 poopeedoo  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:39:52pm

re: #16 rightside

test

I wonder why rightside was down-dinged for this post?

171 saberry0530  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:40:00pm

re: #165 HoosierHoops

They let you drive in the indy experience.. but the car only goes to 120 mph and you have to follow another driver..
Some french driver by the name of gregory or something drove him around.
He said it was a thrill of a lifetime to get run around the speedway..We all got our pictures taken with him in his racing suit..
/I'm hinting that somebody should give this present to the hoopster..We'll see how well people listen..

I've been HINTING the same thing for over 5 years and nobody seems to take the hints. Pamphlets, DVD's, and even video tapes all to avail. Maybe one day I'll slurge and buy me a really nice birthday present.

172 Kenneth  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:40:18pm

re: #157 Iron Fist

Obama has made two decent appointments, IMO.

Keeping Gates as Sec Def. Whatever you might think of Gates' politics or merits, changing the Sec Def right now would be dangerous. Kudos for Obama keeping him. And his National Security Adviser, Gen. Jim Jones. He's given 40 years service in the USMC. Recently, he's shown the tendency to speak his mind, never mind the politics. Obama needs someone honest and frank at his side, in contrast to the host of sycophants he's used to.

Other than that: they're a pack of liberals and lefties.

173 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:41:07pm

re: #168 IslandLibertarian

Q:How many Public Workers does it take to run a backhoe?
A:Seven. One backhoe operator, two flagmen, and four to hold the ground steady.

It is actually 10, you need at least 3 to stand drinking coffee and watch.

174 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:41:19pm

re: #170 poopeedoo

I wonder why rightside was down-dinged for this post?

Probably just a buddy trying to ring his bell..who downed him?

175 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:41:39pm

re: #169 CapeCoddah

Anyone remember the Claus and Martha "Sunny" Von Bulow case from the early 80's. She finally passed away after 28 years in a coma. Another killer who got away with what he did.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


I thought she had died years and years ago. Sheesh.

176 Promethea  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:41:52pm

re: #158 Killian Bundy

Egyptian paper urges top cleric to purify his hand after Peres handshake

/the horror

Ha, ha. He's got Jew Cooties, and once he's got them, he'll never be able to get rid of them.

Ha, ha.

177 CapeCoddah  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:42:14pm

re: #175 rightymouse

I thought she had died years and years ago. Sheesh.

I did too.

178 poopeedoo  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:42:30pm

re: #174 HoosierHoops

Probably just a buddy trying to ring his bell..who downed him?

Mauser.

179 Kenneth  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:42:47pm

re: #166 BlueCanuck

Good for you!

I read a poll showing 60% are opposed to the Coalition. That's far more than voted for Harper. Clearly Dion, Layton & Rae have overplayed their hand. Screw them. Come January 27th, the Liberals won't have the guts to vote down the budget. Harper won this one.

180 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:46:03pm

re: #33 Who Watches the Watchmen?

His "21st Century New Deal" looks...um...expensive.

Not only is it expensive, but the first New Deal worsened the Depression and how the hell is investing in roads and bridges "21st Century"? How will that help the US compete in the world economy?

Even if you'd want to put the government in charge of deciding where to invest the nation's resources, better options would be to improve science and business education and stimulate export to growing consumer markets in India and China. Redoing the Interstate system, saving the Big Three or letting domestic consumers borrow even more does absolutely nothing to move the US economy forward.

Aarrgghh!

181 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:46:48pm
182 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:47:12pm

re: #179 Kenneth

Good for you!

I read a poll showing 60% are opposed to the Coalition. That's far more than voted for Harper. Clearly Dion, Layton & Rae have overplayed their hand. Screw them. Come January 27th, the Liberals won't have the guts to vote down the budget. Harper won this one.

I saw Dion on a Youtube video. How anyone could ever vote for this imbecile is beyond me. He couldn't even answer a simple question and looked a deer staring into headlights.

183 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:47:29pm

re: #178 poopeedoo

Mauser.

mmm,. Great nic.. That would be a nic my brother would pick..Total gun fanatic.
Anyway..Mauser.. I am sure there is a perfectly good explanation about down dinging a test comment..
I can't think of one..But I'm sure there are several.. :)

184 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:48:40pm

re: #177 CapeCoddah

I did too.

Poor woman. RIP.

185 poopeedoo  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:49:38pm

re: #183 HoosierHoops

Just curious. :)

186 Peter Verkooijen  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:50:22pm

re: #181 Iron Fist

Gates was pretty much forced on him. As you say, we wouldn't want to change horses in midstream. Especially now that the Strategy in Iraq is now working. Obama was all for America losing when it could be blamed on Bush, but I don't think he is as eager to lose if he'll have to sholder the responsibility. ...

Gates and other cross-over figures will be gone after the midterm election.

187 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:51:11pm

re: #182 rightymouse

Just like you have yellow dog democrats, we have the same kind of liberals. It's interesting though that he tried to become Prime Minister by a back door, back room deal. He barely has the support of his party on this. He definitely doesn't have their confidence at all.

188 Dianna  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:51:46pm

Karma check!

189 CynicalConservative  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:53:51pm

re: #188 Dianna

Karma check!

Check!

(about 50x what I've got)

190 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:55:15pm

re: #188 Dianna

Karma check!

Holy Cow! you have a large karma...
:)

191 Aye Pod  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 2:57:54pm

Are Leftists and Realists headed for a break-up?

In other words, Obama (gasp!) is surrounding himself with foreign policy Realists. Somewhere, during the campaign, the Left overlooked Obama’s statements that he wasn’t against wars, just dumb wars. And, in the throes of passion, the Left forgot that the Realists who opposed the Iraq War are perfectly content to bomb Arab countries if it suits U.S. interests. Just ask John Mearsheimer, who, in a 1991 NYT editorial (pdf), made the case for the First Gulf War, predicting that “a quick victory will reduce losses on both sides.” (Iraqi casualties: 40,000 dead troops and more than 140,000 dead civilians.)

So, is the Leftist-Realist romance over? Or can these two crazy kids still make it work?

192 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:01:59pm

re: #176 Promethea

my first thot chop it off

193 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:02:48pm

re: #187 BlueCanuck

Just like you have yellow dog democrats, we have the same kind of liberals. It's interesting though that he tried to become Prime Minister by a back door, back room deal. He barely has the support of his party on this. He definitely doesn't have their confidence at all.

Unbelievable.

I hope he gets kicked out for your sake.

194 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:05:15pm

re: #193 rightymouse

Unfortunately the only other choices are a former Harvard professor, and a former Premier of Ontario. The former Premier was NDP, and nearly ran the province into the ground.

195 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:11:05pm

re: #194 BlueCanuck

Unfortunately the only other choices are a former Harvard professor, and a former Premier of Ontario. The former Premier was NDP, and nearly ran the province into the ground.


Is the coalition really necessary?

196 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:11:43pm

re: #147 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Thanks, I bookmarked that gal.

197 RubyTuesday  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:13:52pm

re: #48 itellu3times
Barack Obama is NO John Kennedy...

198 solomonpanting  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:17:17pm

re: #151 justiceforall

We really should fear the socialist agenda. Its possible that it might lead to libraries and interstate highways.

Actually, you are correct. If Europe is the model, socialism will also lead to more museums, six weeks of paid vacations, cradle-to-grave health care, suffocating labor laws, a drastic reduction in military spending, greater reliance upon the UN, a massive redistribution of the wealth, an accelerated yield to multiculturalism, and the cheery prospesct of parliamentary political governance. Life could be a utopia.

199 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:18:34pm

re: #195 rightymouse

No, only if the left wants to rule. But it would take three parties to oust the main one at the moment. That would mean all three parties would have to get their policies straight for all votes in order for it to work. Let's see, Liberals center left. Check. NDP left to far left. Check. Bloc Quebecois, Seperatist, what's good for Quebec only. Check.

/anyone else see a problem here?

200 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:21:37pm

re: #199 BlueCanuck

No, only if the left wants to rule. But it would take three parties to oust the main one at the moment. That would mean all three parties would have to get their policies straight for all votes in order for it to work. Let's see, Liberals center left. Check. NDP left to far left. Check. Bloc Quebecois, Seperatist, what's good for Quebec only. Check.

/anyone else see a problem here?

And I thought OUR system was complicated. YIKES!
No, I don't see the lefties getting their act together. But that's not a bad thing, right?

/total novice here on Canadian politics

201 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:24:38pm

re: #200 rightymouse

Well the question would be how much damage they could do before one of the other parties bailed. I heard the wife of the leader of the NDP, she's also a member of parliament in the same party, saying if Europe had coalition governments, then why can't Canada? Was almost surprised about the statement and level of stupidity. Both her and her husband were city councilors in Toronto before federal politics.

/and boy were they hated by the rest of the city, but not their wards.

202 razorbacker  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:25:29pm

This ain't mine. Feller named Paco. He's good.

Obama’s second day as President. The Cabinet meeting over, briefings finished, the President retires to the Oval Office for a little quiet time, alone. He sits in the big leather chair and begins to cut articles out of the Washington Post for his scrap book (“Is Obama More Lincolnesque than Lincoln?”, reads the headline of one fawning editorial. Hmm. Gotta save that one). Suddenly, he hears the toilet flush in the private bathroom. He jumps out of his chair, not altogether certain whether he should alert the Pentagon or simply grab a heavy paperweight in defense, and watches apprehensively as the bathroom door opens and… Bill Clinton walks out.

“Oh, hey, Mr. President! Say, did you know that the paper towel dispenser in there is busted?”

“Bill! Wha…what are you doing in here?”

“I had to walk through here to get to the bathroom.”

“No, I mean, what are you doing here in the White House? And, yes, to get into the weeds, why are you using this bathroom?”

“I had to go. Don’t worry; I put the seat down.”

Obama sank into his chair and rubbed his eyes. “Bill, you can’t just pop in and wander around.”

“Hey, buddy, don’t you worry. The Secret Service guys all know me. And with Hillary moving into the Lincoln Bedroom…”

Obama leaped out of his chair again. “Hillary moving into the Lincoln Bedroom?!?”

Clinton noticed the half-cut-out newspaper editorial and smiled. “Woooiee! Looks like you want that one yourself, huh, partner? No problem. Hillary and I can sleep in the presidential quarters.”

“Bill, you can’t possibly…”

“Now, now, it’s no inconvenience to us at all. Our sheets are still in the chest of drawers, there.”

“Bill, you can’t sleep in the White House!”

“I don’t intend to be staying here overnight too often, good buddy. Know what I mean?” Clinton gave Obama a lascivious wink.

“Well, I mean, Hillary can’t move into the White House.”

“Why not? Listen, you’re gonna need her on call, 24/7. Lotta things bustin’ loose in the world right now, what with Iran and terrorism and the best skiing conditions in Europe in ages. Come in!”

Clinton had responded to a knock on the office door. Two guys from Facilities Management walked in, each one pushing a chair identical to the President’s (but with higher backs). Smiling brightly, Clinton said, “Over here, fellahs! Just push ‘em right up to the desk.”

Obama reeled before this onslaught of presumptuousness. “Bill, surely I don’t need to remind you…”

“That cigar smoke irritates your eyes? Don’t worry. I didn’t actually smoke ‘em, you know.” Another lascivious wink. “Come in!”

Bill Richardson poked his head into the office. “There you are, Mr. President! Oh, hi, Barack. Eric and Rahm are ready, Bill. The poker table’s all set up, and I laid my hands on some prime mezcal.”

“Poker!” Obama shouted. “And where were you planning on having your poker game?”

“In that little bookroom upstairs.”

“That’s my private office!”

“Oh”, Clinton mumbled; he looked at Obama uninvitingly. “Why, did you want to play?”

The first thing Obama had done when he had initially set foot in the Oval Office as President the day before was to locate the emergency buzzer under his desk that could be used to summon instant assistance from the Secret Service. He sat down in his chair, gave Clinton a superior smirk and pushed the buzzer. Within a few seconds, two Secret Service agents burst into the room, hands thrust inside their jackets, ready to draw their weapons if necessary.

“No need to pull your guns, gentlemen. I just wanted to let you know that the President wants to be alone. Completely alone.”

203 razorbacker  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:26:15pm

To finish...

Bill Richardson didn’t need any prodding. “Ok, ok, I’m going. See you upstairs, Bill.” Both Secret Service agents then approached the smiling Bill Clinton, walked right past him, grabbed Obama by the elbows and frog-marched him out of the office.

“H-e-y-y-y! I’m the President!”, he wailed, as he was dragged away.

Bill Clinton popped into the bathroom to look into the mirror and straighten his tie before going upstairs to play poker with the boys - his boys. Before turning away, he mimicked the scowl and the voice of Edward G. Robinson in the closing moments of the movie, The Cincinnati Kid - the scene where Robinson bests Steve McQueen in a game of five-card stud. “You’re good kid. But as long as I’m around, you're still second best.” Chuckling softly, he flicked the bathroom light off and headed upstairs.

204 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:28:03pm

re: #201 BlueCanuck

Well the question would be how much damage they could do before one of the other parties bailed. I heard the wife of the leader of the NDP, she's also a member of parliament in the same party, saying if Europe had coalition governments, then why can't Canada? Was almost surprised about the statement and level of stupidity. Both her and her husband were city councilors in Toronto before federal politics.

/and boy were they hated by the rest of the city, but not their wards.

What is the worst case scenario and consequences and the best case scenario with consequences?

205 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:36:32pm

re: #204 rightymouse

What is the worst case scenario and consequences and the best case scenario with consequences?

Hmmm, worse case scenario. Taliban Jack gets to give handouts to all his union supporters, the bloc gets to give a whole bunch of goodies to Quebec. Defecit spending would run rampant as all three parties try to spend our way out of a reccession. And this lasts for at least a year before something happens. Consequences? Well all provinces west of Ontario would be royally pissed and who knows how far that would go. We would be back to the days of Trudeau spending. Our military will be gutted, once again, just as it was getting back up to an international standard in equipment.

Best case scenario? We would only see one budget from them before the coalition fell apart. We would have a few small messes to clean up but no major damage would have been done. Liberals and NDP members would be thrown out by a very angry electorate. Actually that would apply to both scenarios.

206 BBev  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:36:46pm

re: #197 RubyTuesday

Barack Obama is NO John Kennedy...

No he is not but as a Republican I hope he does a good job and keeps America safe. I hope he does such a good job that I will want to say I saw wrong, Now there's HOPE for ya.

207 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:42:02pm

re: #205 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, worse case scenario. Taliban Jack gets to give handouts to all his union supporters, the bloc gets to give a whole bunch of goodies to Quebec. Defecit spending would run rampant as all three parties try to spend our way out of a reccession. And this lasts for at least a year before something happens. Consequences? Well all provinces west of Ontario would be royally pissed and who knows how far that would go. We would be back to the days of Trudeau spending. Our military will be gutted, once again, just as it was getting back up to an international standard in equipment.

Best case scenario? We would only see one budget from them before the coalition fell apart. We would have a few small messes to clean up but no major damage would have been done. Liberals and NDP members would be thrown out by a very angry electorate. Actually that would apply to both scenarios.


Will be praying for best case scenario then! :)

208 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:44:58pm
209 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:46:15pm

re: #207 rightymouse

Actually the total best case scenario is that the whole coalition thing falls through the cracks and the Conservatives keep on governing for a couple of years. That would be our best hope.

210 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:48:36pm

re: #209 BlueCanuck

Actually the total best case scenario is that the whole coalition thing falls through the cracks and the Conservatives keep on governing for a couple of years. That would be our best hope.


Let's go with that one then. It does not look good for the coalition. Too bad for them. Boo friggin' hoo.

211 rightymouse  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:49:01pm

re: #208 taxfreekiller

tset


You rang?

212 Cutty Sark  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:50:00pm

Obama is breaking with tradition , and after all he is doing what he said or atleast trying ...that is to get away from partisan politics , and unite the country rather than divide .
These choices are proof , that he smarter than the average politician .

No he's no Kennedy , but Kennedy was no Obama .

To quote a famous Republican - "stop your whining " .

213 BlueCanuck  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:50:24pm

re: #208 taxfreekiller

You need a number two pencil.

214 LEGION  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 3:59:17pm

Bush was never able to flush the demonrats from the inner ranks- the head couldn't control the body- the State Dept. was/is a mess, and will continue to be. It's all set up for BO. That stinks.

215 Paul Green  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 5:13:29pm

re: #151 justiceforall

A socialist agenda did not lead to libraries -- the philanthropy of a capitalist did. From the Wikipedia entry on Carnegie libraries:

"Carnegie libraries are libraries which were built with money donated by Scottish-American businessman and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie. More than 2,500 Carnegie libraries were built, including those belonging to public and university library systems. Carnegie earned the nickname 'Patron Saint of Libraries.'

"Of the 2,509 libraries funded between 1883 and 1929, 1,689 were built in the United States, 660 in Britain and Ireland, 156 in Canada, and others in Australia, New Zealand, Serbia, the Caribbean, and Fiji. Very few towns that requested a grant and agreed to his terms were refused. When the last grant was made in 1919, there were 3,500 libraries in the United States, nearly half of them paid for by Carnegie."

Nor can it be said that Dwight D. Eisenhower, who really got the interstate highway system going in 1956 after two decades of fits and starts, had a socialist agenda:

"Under the leadership of President Eisenhower, the question of how to fund the Interstate System was resolved with enactment of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956. It served as a catalyst for the System's development and, ultimately, its completion. Title I of the 1956 Act increased the System's proposed length to 41,000 miles. It also called for nationwide standards for design of the System, authorized an accelerated program, established a new method for apportioning funds among the States, changed the name to the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, and set the Federal Government's share of project cost at 90 percent.

"Title II of the Act - entitled the Highway Revenue Act of 1956 - created the Highway Trust Fund as a dedicated source for the Interstate System.

"Revenue from the Federal gas and other motor-vehicle user taxes was credited to the Highway Trust Fund to pay the Federal share of Interstate and all other Federal-aid highway projects. In this way, the Act guaranteed construction of all segments on a 'pay-as-you-go' basis, thus satisfying one of President Eisenhower's primary requirements, namely that the program be self-financing without contributing to the Federal budget deficit."

216 looking closely  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 5:25:16pm

While its nice to see that Obama isn't entirely stacking his cabinet with leftist partisans from the start, I'm reserving judgment until. . .

a. Obama actually takes office, and
b. He makes an actual policy decision (eg the first one of his entire life).

217 Arrr  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 5:51:48pm

#216
"While its nice to see that Obama isn't entirely stacking his cabinet with leftist partisans from the start, I'm reserving judgment until. . .

a. Obama actually takes office, and
b. He makes an actual policy decision (eg the first one of his entire life)."
---

I've been an Obama supporter from the very beginning, and I always knew he was a pragmatic centrist who pretended to be a leftist (look up my posting history if you don't believe me).

I feel vindicated now, and I think I'll still feel vindicated after the first 100 days of Obama's presidency.

218 Orangutan  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 5:59:39pm

I really hope we are seeing pragmatism and a willingness to listen on the part of a young president...he wasn't my choice, but he is in charge and I wish him and all of us the best by extension. It's very encouraging he kept Gates and that his other assignments so far reflect respect for the times rather than revenge for the left wingers.

219 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 6:51:55pm

re: #215 Paul Green

Many of andrew Carnegie's rich contemporaries were aghast that he was helping ordinary people educate themselves. A bad idea, they thought.

220 big L  Sat, Dec 6, 2008 9:46:32pm

People please, Obie is a leftist, and ideologue, and will govern fromteh left. The group of mugs are just people to blame. The thrid and fourth and fifth level appointees are the lefties that will draft legislation and burrowinto the system to ruin or further ruin the country. please grow up. stop allthe twaddle of hope and centrism and modration.
To me he is pffft.

221 Mauser  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 12:23:09am

re: #178 poopeedoo

Mauser.

Huh, I didn't know that info was available. You can actually look up who dinged a post?

Yeah, I just wanted to discourage test posts. If you're going to make a permanent, indelible mark on the blog, it's better to make it at least a LITTLE more meaningful.

222 Mauser  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 12:44:47am

re: #218 Orangutan

I really hope we are seeing pragmatism and a willingness to listen on the part of a young president...he wasn't my choice, but he is in charge and I wish him and all of us the best by extension. It's very encouraging he kept Gates and that his other assignments so far reflect respect for the times rather than revenge for the left wingers.

I'm a bit more cynical. I think he's keeping Gates on so that as a holdover from the Bush Administration, he can be used as a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan.

223 leprechaun  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 10:19:54am

Charles,

Your point is very similar to that of Jacques Ellul in his book The Political Illusion. In it he describes how government policy has become increasingly separated from politics. The choice of political leaders is an illusion because most important decisions are made by the technocracy, who operate in a very narrow realm of what the experts consider to be possible.

Ellul uses the example of how the Socialist Mendes-France and De Gaulle in France in the 1950s and 1960s. They had very different rhetoric, but their actual policies were only different in degree but not thrust. I think the same can be said for the political choices in most Western democracies...

224 Exordium  Sun, Dec 7, 2008 3:12:03pm

I wonder if his right-wing, silly appointments will stem the overwhelming tide of Obama derangement syndrome :/

225 archer50  Mon, Dec 8, 2008 9:33:23am

This is all about three card Monte. The hope is that we will all focus on
the choices and the rhetoric while the key card will be judges.

Once in place, the judges will be able to rule on cases that Obama and his buddies will bring up. For example, 1. what is the definition of a "lawful gun owner" and who decides? 2. Can the government take land for private use- Oh, sorry they did that one already. 3. Voting rights- do you actually have to be a citizen. 4. Search and seizures. 5. Campaign rules, or lack of them. 6. Election results. 7. Health care, mandatory compliance, penalties, etc.

The Dems are not stupid. In fact, they are very, very bright. Their campaign to elect Sec. of States in selected states was brilliant! They learn and adapt.

You wait, Obama will weather this economic downturn, and take the political
capital he gains so he can begin to socialize this nation in the way that Europeans do-or worse.


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