Oh good, a fresh thread. Straighten up and fly right, lizards. :)

I'm in firefox, and I'm not seeing the video.

and so we begin again

I'm not getting it. Either work firewall or work computer without the required video player is my suspicion.
bummer

Reload and it will be there.

re: #2 Sharmuta

I'm in firefox, and I'm not seeing the video.

Switch over to safari. I did, and love it.

Why is he wearing a mop?

re: #1 poopeedoo

Oh good, a fresh thread. Straighten up and fly right, lizards. :)

Not much chance of that on one these threads. Before long, bitterclinger_in_PA and his ilk will show to turn this thread into yet another flame fest.

Apparently, Fora.tv only allows 15 minutes worth of embedded video, so if you want to see the whole thing, click the link that says "Watch full program."

Evil-ution.

re: #5 Charles

Thanks!

re: #6 reine.de.tout

Switch over to safari. I did, and love it.

I normally am in Safari.

got it. thanks

but, but, faith and science can'y co exist...
/sarc off

Dude's got serious hair.

re: #7 swamprat

Why is he wearing a mop?

The "odd male" hypothesis?

(obscure evolutionary biology joke)

You have to be pretty smart and talented to get away with that hair.

I think something is evolving in his hair as he speaks.

I'm getting no audio.

re: #2 Sharmuta

I'm in firefox, and I'm not seeing the video.

Working fine with my firefox.

For a moment, I thought that was Tom Baker.

He should grow a bushy beard. He'd look like a nose and two eyes on a Q-tip.

So will there be a fifteen minute intermission while we listen to this?

Come on, two deeply divided groups? What happened to the freedom of religion and that means not in the classroom but in the church thank you very much?

How is this really
REALLY
any controversy or debate?

The obvious data totally overwhelms any debate here...

Oh geez, they really are trying to debate it.

Sorry, I have such a hard time with people who vehemently keep blinders on about the truth, the data, the facts of discovery to the big picture unfolding around us.

I am so refreshed when I hear people of faith that embrace the reality and realize that it is such a beautiful and awesome big picture, that to learn more is to allow us to 'evolve' in such multidimensional ways...

Reminds me of the World is Flat people.

That guy must not have any mirrors in his house.

He sure is saying all the right things so far.

re: #23 rwmofo

That guy must not have any mirrors in his house.

Mirrors are covered in hair.

Nice lid dude.

/jealous

re: #21 HelloDare

He should grow a bushy beard. He'd look like a nose and two eyes on a Q-tip.

re: #14 SurferDoc

Dude's got serious hair.

re: #7 swamprat

Why is he wearing a mop?

His hair... q-tip...HAHAHAHAHAHAAA

re: #22 Right mind left

looks flat to me.

Sorry could not resist that.

Sorry to go OT but I must run here shortly and just received a joke that I know some of you guys will like

A rabbi was opening his mail one morning. Taking a single sheet
of paper from an envelope he found written on it only one word:
'shmuck.' At the next Friday night service, the Rabbi > announced, 'I
have known many people who have written letters and forgot to sign
their names, but this week I received a letter from someone who
signed his name...and forgot to write a letter.'

Like to see him on a panel with Geert Wilders. Couldn't get them in close proximity, though. They'd lock up like two pieced of Velcro.

re: #20 Syrah

For a moment, I thought that was Tom Baker.

Who? That's right!

re: #29 VegasRick

Sorry to go OT but I must run here shortly and just received a joke that I know some of you guys will like

A rabbi was opening his mail one morning. Taking a single sheet
of paper from an envelope he found written on it only one word:
'shmuck.' At the next Friday night service, the Rabbi > announced, 'I
have known many people who have written letters and forgot to sign
their names, but this week I received a letter from someone who
signed his name...and forgot to write a letter.'

[smiles]

re: #15 Dar ul Harb

Really obscure.

Here's about the only Google link I found explaining it.

[Basically, it's a phenomenon of sexual selection in which females choose to mate with males which exhibit unusual characteristics, presumably because if the unusual characteristic is tied to a beneficial mutation, her offspring would be able to outcompete those of females who mated with ordinary males.]

re: #28 Steve

looks flat to me.

Sorry could not resist that.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAA

Look at all those swirly motions all over, how did they paint that on!?!/

I like this guy. Beside what he's saying, he has a nice way of speaking.

Thanks Charles.

re: #31 Kenneth

Who? That's right!

And what's on second?

re: #28 Steve

looks flat to me.

Sorry could not resist that.

Flat like a pizza.

Mmmm. Pizza.

re: #33 Dar ul Harb Explains why my wife married me...

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

[smiles]

Thought you might like that, funny and quick witted Rabbi that be.

Looks like Padian is evolving into Santa Clause.

So far this makes lots of sense and is easy to follow.

Nice to see a religious man and a scientist agreeing on evolution.

re: #40 yah

Looks like Padian is evolving into Santa Clause.

?

re: #33 Dar ul Harb

It's also is a proxy for outbreeding, which tends to produce "hybrid vigor".

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

the hair

Now I know why I like the guy. Reminds me of the stuffed animal I had as a child.

re: #37 rwmofo

Flat like a pizza.

Mmmm. Pizza.

Pizza... and beer...
Beer is proof God want's us to be happy.

What more proof in God do you need?

44 posts and no trolls or meltdowns. Can I get a refund?

///

That's what we need, more manichean tension in a debate on science :)

OK, Jones just earned a down-ding from me. Saying "Marxism is a very useful tool for analyzing things". I can't call it useful for very much at all, save causing misery.

re: #47 CynicalConservative

44 posts and no trolls or meltdowns. Can I get a refund?

///

It's the hair rays.

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

OK, Jones just earned a down-ding from me. Saying "Marxism is a very useful tool for analyzing things". I can't call it useful for very much at all, save causing misery.

He was trying to sound clever.
I felt the same way after he said that

While I'm waiting for the full video to load I'll share this image:

Dubai

re: #37 rwmofo

Flat like a pizza.

Mmmm. Pizza.

And he keeps saying "flatly" which keeps me in stitches and I have to rewind to pick up what he is really saying.

I do like this guy. He neatly connects the science with the religion in ways essential to our own evolution in education and research.

Science is all based on the data, that it leads us in such amazing directions.

re: #38 Jim in Virginia

Explains why my wife married me...

Yes, it does provide hope for us all... ;)

There was a test one time where they took equal amounts of ordainary men and convicts dressed up like normal guys.
They put them in a social setting with a bunch of women. The women were attracted to the convicts ovewhelmingly.

re: #53 Right mind left

And he keeps saying "flatly" which keeps me in stitches and I have to rewind to pick up what he is really saying.

I do like this guy. He neatly connects the science with the religion in ways essential to our own evolution in education and research.

Science is all based on the data, that it leads us in such amazing directions.

Except for global warming fear mongering mate!

re: #47 CynicalConservative

44 posts and no trolls or meltdowns. Can I get a refund?

///

This guy might reach them! He is a very simplistic and connected speaker tying the connections for the most basic of that cross section of the 50% he refers to.

re: #34 Right mind left

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAA

Look at all those swirly motions all over, how did they paint that on!?!/

It is amazing what you can do with air brushes.

Actually I met a flat earther on the beach one day and asked him to explain the curvature. He just walked away.

re: #47 CynicalConservative

44 posts and no trolls or meltdowns. Can I get a refund?

///

Damn it all! I can't take it any more. Being civil and all that, reasonable, measured. I HAVE HAD enough!

Every one is wrong, and unless Charles posts more I'll, I'll, I'll start LGF3 and expose all of you!

IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!

/ happy now?

re: #55 yah

There was a test one time where they took equal amounts of ordainary men and convicts dressed up like normal guys.
They put them in a social setting with a bunch of women. The women were attracted to the convicts ovewhelmingly.

The convicts probably looked like linebackers.

re: #55 yah

There was a test one time where they took equal amounts of ordainary men and convicts dressed up like normal guys.
They put them in a social setting with a bunch of women. The women were attracted to the convicts ovewhelmingly.

No surprise there. The convicts were really interested in the women.

re: #7 swamprat

Why is he wearing a mop?

LOL,
i like the guy a lot but the whole time i'm watching, i'm thinking i would really like to trim his hair.
at least the bangs.

The Big Bangs theory

re: #48 Thanos

That's what we need, more manichean tension in a debate on science :)

I didn't come from no manichean!

re: #51 Shug

He was trying to sound clever.
I felt the same way after he said that

It important to remember that this talk is taking place in the Bay Area. These two are quite sane, but they live in a very moonbatty environment. They probably say some dumb lefty things just to fit in.

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

OK, Jones just earned a down-ding from me. Saying "Marxism is a very useful tool for analyzing things". I can't call it useful for very much at all, save causing misery.

Gotta agree there. Marxist analysis is way overused.

Marxist analysis is the reason the "enlightened" keep insisting Islamic terrorism is rooted in poverty and oppression. Everything in Marxism analysis is rooted in the class struggle -- and everything else is the "false conscious".

re: #55 yah

That's because the convicts hadn't seen a woman in months and were positively oozing phermones.

re: #63 Shug

The Big Bangs theory

Hair we go!

re: #60 rwmofo

The convicts probably looked like linebackers.

Nah, it was probably because the cons had much more interesting personalities than the ordinary dweebs selected as placebebos.

re: #59 jcm

Damn it all! I can't take it any more. Being civil and all that, reasonable, measured. I HAVE HAD enough!

Every one is wrong, and unless Charles posts more I'll, I'll, I'll start LGF3 and expose all of you!

IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!

/ happy now?

Thank you! I am now satisfied that all is well in the world.

//(minus the whole obambi thing)

btw that was a dust mop.
not a wet mop.

re: #70 CynicalConservative

Thank you! I am now satisfied that all is well in the world.

//(minus the whole obambi thing)

Sounds awfully cynical to me ... oh sorry just noticed the nic

/

Dude stole Don Imus' hair.

re: #64 Charles

I didn't come from no manichean!

Looking at the modern definition is interesting:

an adherent of the dualistic religious system of Manes, a combination of Gnostic Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and various other elements, with a basic doctrine of a conflict between light and dark, matter being regarded as dark and evil.

it fits with the DI mantra: Materialism=bad!

re: #72 saberry0530

Sounds awfully cynical to me ... oh sorry just noticed the nic

/

I resemble that remark.

re: #56 LoFlyer

Except for global warming fear mongering mate!

Global warming is a "skewing" of the data...

keep the fear mongering at full height to maintain control on the voting public...but the science will win if they keep pursuing the data and putting it together. If it rules politics we might be in for hardships in the short term.

Science doesn't tell him what he wants to know? re: #58 Steve

It is amazing what you can do with air brushes.

Actually I met a flat earther on the beach one day and asked him to explain the curvature. He just walked away.

IT SHUTS THEM DOWN. Doesn't fit the mold, must throw it away...can't listen...can't open my eyes...

Interesting.

(paraphrasing)
There is no "truth" in science; there is no "belief" in science. There just "is" science. Results are constantly changing.

Five minutes in and I'm bored, where's Yoda?

the data are the data

Aw come on folks. He probably has a poodle wrapped around his head.
Poodle

Where is the PETA outcry over this guy?

Now that's just odd.

First Google hit for "Don Imus" (without the quotes) is this:

Stock Quotes for DON, IMUS

DON (WisdomTree MidCap Dividend Fund (ETF)) - IMUS (Dow Jones Islamic Market U.S. Index)

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Ah, but it IS useful to analyzing. Specifically in science theories are teseted based on properties of differences and similarities and gradients of Fascism, philosophy and political science.
I liked his distinction between the ideology of Marxism and Marxism being a science.
I think it was the real crux of the debate...

re: #78 itellu3times

Five minutes in and I'm bored, where's Yoda?

Where's Cog or JMV or bitterclinger...

Apparently the IMUS is doing about as bad as the infidel market.

re: #84 Iron Fist

We are so fucked.

And that's putting it mildly...

I haven't yet weighed in on a "creation thread" but (for what it's worth) here's some food for thought...

Personally, I think creationists are missing the whole point--the theological punchline--of the whole biblical account. It's entirely possible, even likely, that the writer of Genesis is taking aim at the pagan religions that surrounded Israel at the time the book was written...

"Oh, you worship the sun? Heh. My God created that."

"What? You worship a sacred cow (or lizard)? My God created that."

"Your god was the offspring of two other gods? My God was in the beginning."

To judge Genesis 1 by scientific standards is like judging the preamble of the U.S. constitution as poetry! If God set out to give us some scientific information, why not give us some really good info?

"Hey, people, light travels at the same speed regardless of the relative velocity of the observer..."

Do we spend a lot of time arguing whether there really was a "good Samaritan?" In truth, "the good Samaritan" is a very real parable and we don't worry about the reality of his actual existence. The creation account should be treated the same way.

Check out M. Conrad Hyers' book The Meaning of Creation...an in-depth study of the fallacy of treating theological writing as science.

Religion is arational. If it were rational there would be no need for faith.

AGW is irrational and often mendacious.

See ya all later

Firetruck and ambulance next door. Just got home from work. Thought they were at MY house. Please allow me to introduce you to the cow I just had.

re: #89 VegasRick

Later Rick!

re: #91 saberry0530

Later Rick!

See ya!

Thirty-one minutes in and I'm starting to like his hair.

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Firetruck and ambulance next door. Just got home from work. Thought they were at MY house. Please allow me to introduce you to the cow I just had.

Definitely a pucker moment, hope everything's OK for them and glad it's not you and yours.

"There's a polemic going on as well..."

"No... the problem is we don't teach philosophy"

interesting discussion here, I have to disagree a bit with the "No", there are some over the top secular humanists who are rabidly anti-faith and who do shield themselves in science. In the end that's a blow to science as well.

AMF!

re: #96 Iron Fist

I'd have shit gold bricks if I opened my front door and there was a cop with a shotgun in his hands.

Well dang, let's do some of that, I'll split the proceeds with you, and buy a dozen tickets to the policeman's ball.

re: #94 CynicalConservative

Very nice people. I'd go next door to see if I could help. But, I hate people who do that, so I won't. I'll go by tomorrow.

Several years ago, I had a neighbor fall and break his leg, walked out and saw him sitting next to his mower, having a smoke. Asked me to call 911 (was a tough old salt, he was), firetruck got there first.

I said, "What the hell? He ain't on fire!"

Why do they send firetrucks? Anybody know.

re: #94 CynicalConservative

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Firetruck and ambulance next door. Just got home from work. Thought they were at MY house. Please allow me to introduce you to the cow I just had.

I received a call from 911 one day asking if my wife was okay cause a firetruck ;and ambulance were dispatched to my house. After about a tense 15 minutes I received a call from a close friend who told me that my 6 month old daughter had rolled over her car seat and down one step while my wife was locking and closing the door.

I am glad to hear that Fat Bastard Vegetarian and his are okay

re: #88 HelloDare

Religion is arational. If it were rational there would be no need for faith.

AGW is irrational and often mendacious.

Well, I can understand your desire to take potshot at AGW...Hmmm. Aquinas, anyone?
[Link: www.jcu.edu...]

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very nice people. I'd go next door to see if I could help. But, I hate people who do that, so I won't. I'll go by tomorrow.

Several years ago, I had a neighbor fall and break his leg, walked out and saw him sitting next to his mower, having a smoke. Asked me to call 911 (was a tough old salt, he was), firetruck got there first.

I said, "What the hell? He ain't on fire!"

Why do they send firetrucks? Anybody know.

In case they spontaneously combust.

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very nice people. I'd go next door to see if I could help. But, I hate people who do that, so I won't. I'll go by tomorrow.

Several years ago, I had a neighbor fall and break his leg, walked out and saw him sitting next to his mower, having a smoke. Asked me to call 911 (was a tough old salt, he was), firetruck got there first.

I said, "What the hell? He ain't on fire!"

Why do they send firetrucks? Anybody know.

I'm the same way, I am inclined to offer help but don't want to intrude. Not sure what the deal is with the firetrucks, best I can offer is the most available equipment for a wide range of situations. That's one tough old salt indeed.

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"A duck's head is not going to suddenly pop up on a trout".

Whew!

re: #100 Steve

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I received a call from 911 one day asking if my wife was okay cause a firetruck ;and ambulance were dispatched to my house. After about a tense 15 minutes I received a call from a close friend who told me that my 6 month old daughter had rolled over her car seat and down one step while my wife was locking and closing the door.

I am glad to hear that Fat Bastard Vegetarian and his are okay

That might just have given me a heart attack.

re: #104 chippy

Man of few words?

re: #104 chippy

what happened to it?

i wrote "usually they are trained as paramedics"

Why do they send firetrucks? Anybody know.

usually need more then 2 people to respond.

cardiac needs at least 4.

new to this stuff - typing and all...
/

re: #105 Racer X

"A duck's head is not going to suddenly pop up on a trout".

Whew!

Hmm... not yet, at least.

TO THE LAB!

re: #110 chippy

new to this stuff - typing and all...
/

S'all good, we won't razz you too much.

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I knew a guy who came home and saw a firetruck & ambulance at his neighbour's house. He watched as they carried the guy out on a stretcher, & asked a fireman what happened, is he all right? The fireman, said, "Yeah, he's only got a concussion. His bed collapsed on them while they were screwing. His girlfriend has it worse, we think she might have broken her back."

My friend is shocked & runs into his house to tell his wife all about it. Only she's not there. He goes back outside in time to see them carry his wife out of the nieghbour's house on the next stretcher.

Bummer.

re: #109 Steve

Why do they send firetrucks? Anybody know.

usually need more then 2 people to respond.

cardiac needs at least 4.

Because most neighborhoods have a fire station near by, and they are trained as first responders, while hospitals are spread out more thinly than a fire station. Usually the FD can get their first.

re: #110 chippy

new to this stuff - typing and all...
/

i dinged all your posts up.
:D

re: #108 chippy

what happened to it?

i wrote "usually they are trained as paramedics"

Most likely you accidently deleted a "

re: #105 Racer X

"A duck's head is not going to suddenly pop up on a trout".

Whew!

They haven't seen the ones by the nuke power plant .

Necessity is the mother of evolution.

Padian makes the point at about minute 16 that there is a difference between being a scientist and being a philosophical naturalist, and that is the difference that some fundamentalists continue to blur.

we had SWAT crawling thru our backyard one day, looking for my neighbor, and asked my husband who was out smoking on the back porch for our address...scared the crap out of him...surrounded our house

he couldn't come up with the address, either!

re: #118 MandyManners

Necessity is the mother of evolution.

Good to see ya!

re: #114 Sharmuta

Now that is logical, Miss Blue Knowstuff. Thanks.

re: #115 nyc redneck

thanks, i needed that!

re: #120 chippy

we had SWAT crawling thru our backyard one day, looking for my neighbor, and asked my husband who was out smoking on the back porch for our address...scared the crap out of him...surrounded our house

he couldn't come up with the address, either!

Not sure I'd remember my name at that point.

Just found out a gunstore in our area was broken into and over 140+ or - pistols were stolen.

re: #123 chippy

thanks, i needed that!

no problem.

re: #116 Basho

yes i went backwards, somehow, will try to be more careful. this is fun...

What hath atheism wrought? a mess. Tacoma man requests permission to install a Festivus pole.

re: #125 Steve

Just found out a gunstore in our area was broken into and over 140+ or - pistols were stolen.

Quick! Enact 50 or so restrictive gun ban laws!

//moonbat

re: #114 Sharmuta

Because most neighborhoods have a fire station near by, and they are trained as first responders, while hospitals are spread out more thinly than a fire station. Usually the FD can get their first.

Called my brother the fireman to answer the question but yeah they are trained as first responders.

re: #124 CynicalConservative

yeah well turns out he sent his kids to the other neighbor, shot his wife and then himself. i couldn't get home, the street was roped off. crazy stuff. we moved.

re: #118 MandyManners

Necessity is the mother of evolution.

I always felt sorry for the kids that ended up with those shitty toys in the ending credits.

Good Night All.

re: #130 Steve

Called my brother the fireman to answer the question but yeah they are trained as first responders.

More than that- they are usually closer than a hospital paramedic.

re: #113 Kenneth

I knew a guy=urban legend

re: #131 chippy

yeah well turns out he sent his kids to the other neighbor, shot his wife and then himself. i couldn't get home, the street was roped off. crazy stuff. we moved.

Good call.

re: #129 CynicalConservative

It is my favorite gunstore. The guy is about the friendliest, nicest guy you ever met. Allows you to do private gunsales in his store to keep everything honest.

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always felt sorry for the kids that ended up with those shitty toys in the ending credits.

WHY? Don't you understand the whole freakin' point to it all?!

I'm gonna' hafta' lay a *whack* on you.

Boy, is Oklahoma ever putting it Mizzou. Ouch.

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

i wondered about that the other night, myself, when we watched it...
who gets those?

re: #137 Steve

It is my favorite gunstore. The guy is about the friendliest, nicest guy you ever met. Allows you to do private gunsales in his store to keep everything honest.

Absolutely no disrespect intended.
Wish I had one of those near; sucks that it happened to someone like that.

re: #129 CynicalConservative

Quick! Enact 50 or so restrictive gun ban laws!

//moonbat

About 20 years ago, a gang of thieves was specializing in burglarizing gun stores, and one of the stores owner decided to spend the night at his store with his M-16, the thieves broke into the store and he challenged them and they fired, he went full auto and none survived more than three weeks in the hospital. All three all dead mates!

re: #114 Sharmuta

Because most neighborhoods have a fire station near by, and they are trained as first responders, while hospitals are spread out more thinly than a fire station. Usually the FD can get their first.

Most districts, 80% of calls are medical.

Now that I'm watching the show...

This is really Charles in a wig, isn't it?

/donttasemebro!

True story: In a nice hood in Toledo OH a black high school kid was waiting for the bus on a very every cold morning. He sat down on the curb with a sewer grate at his feet. Lights a match for a smoke. The sewer gas explodes, the metal grate is flung up and smashes his face. He runs to the closest house and bangs on the door for help.
A teenage girl opens the door, sees the black guy with blood running from his face. She screams and faints.

Her mother comes running down the stairs to see what her daughter was screaming for. The mother falls down the stairs and breaks her leg. The End.

re: #142 LoFlyer

About 20 years ago, a gang of thieves was specializing in burglarizing gun stores, and one of the stores owner decided to spend the night at his store with his M-16, the thieves broke into the store and he challenged them and they fired, he went full auto and none survived more than three weeks in the hospital. All three all dead mates!

Darwin Award front runner candidates

re: #134 Sharmuta

More than that- they are usually closer than a hospital paramedic.

Ambulances in our area work out of purchased or leased house and spend alot of time just driving around. One of their houses is just under a mile from my place and about the same distance from my brothers fire station. If he is on duty when I have an emergency I get free transport by ambulance to the hospital. Save about 600 to 800 dollars. Cannot ask for better.

re: #138 MandyManners

WHY? Don't you understand the whole freakin' point to it all?!

I'm gonna' hafta' lay a *whack* on you.

Whack away, girl! They were shitty toys. Some kids going, "Really Santa? A toy that defies all logic? Really Santa? Thanks you...you...elf."

re: #144 Dar ul Harb

Now that I'm watching the show...

This is really Charles in a wig, isn't it?

/donttasemebro!

No it is not Charles. He would not be caught wearing a poodle.

Head of nuclear watchdog calls efforts against Iran 'a failure'

Mohamed ElBaradei urges dialogue between the West and Tehran. He says Obama has given him 'lots of hope.'

Translation: negotiations have failed. Let's do some more.

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whack away, girl! They were shitty toys. Some kids going, "Really Santa? A toy that defies all logic? Really Santa? Thanks you...you...elf."

a choo choo with square wheels? who got that one?

re: #142 LoFlyer

About 20 years ago, a gang of thieves was specializing in burglarizing gun stores, and one of the stores owner decided to spend the night at his store with his M-16, the thieves broke into the store and he challenged them and they fired, he went full auto and none survived more than three weeks in the hospital. All three all dead mates!

Dummies probably brought pistols to a rifle fight. Definitely the sort of thing that puts you in the running for a Darwin award.

re: #149 Steve

No it is not Charles. He would not be caught wearing a poodle.

Because fur is wrong.

re: #150 Kenneth

Head of nuclear watchdog calls efforts against Iran 'a failure'

Translation: negotiations have failed. Let's do some more.

Let's discuss the problem for 2-3 years then write a strongly worded letter.

/UN

re: #151 chippy

a choo choo with square wheels? who got that one?

"When I was young we got trains with square wheels, and we liked them!"

(Salem mode off)

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Dummies probably brought pistols to a rifle fight. Definitely the sort of thing that puts you in the running for a Darwin award.

Way to bring it back on topic. Sweeet! ;)

re: #121 CynicalConservative

Good to see ya!

Good to see you, too! How are you? I've suddenly, for no explicable reason, found myself in possession of the Christmas spirit! Yeah, The Kid and I decorated the tree (I like my firs like I like my furs--once living, now dead) today but, never before have I got into the spirit (or, had the spirit get into me) at this early date! I've danced a jig all day while I've done seven loads of laundry and scrubbed bathrooms and cooked.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, LIZARDS!

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"When I was young we got trains with square wheels, and we liked them!"

(Salem mode off)

You got trains! We got rocks. And we were grateful.

re: #156 Basho

Way to bring it back on topic. Sweeet! ;)

Oops, my bad.

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Because fur is wrong.

What fer?

(Bonus points to whoever can supply the punchline from "Granny" on "The Beverly Hillbillies"...)

re: #154 jcm

Let's discuss the problem for 2-3 years then write a strongly worded letter.

/UN

Mohamed ElBaradei failed.

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whack away, girl! They were shitty toys. Some kids going, "Really Santa? A toy that defies all logic? Really Santa? Thanks you...you...elf."

The magical spirit of Christmas turned all those toys into perfect ones!

Ah, fergit it.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

re: #157 MandyManners

Good to see you, too! How are you? I've suddenly, for no explicable reason, found myself in possession of the Christmas spirit! Yeah, The Kid and I decorated the tree (I like my firs like I like my furs--once living, now dead) today but, never before have I got into the spirit (or, had the spirit get into me) at this early date! I've danced a jig all day while I've done seven loads of laundry and scrubbed bathrooms and cooked.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, LIZARDS!

I am well, thanks. Ducking from the glow of your energy and holiday spirit though.

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

Dummies probably brought pistols to a rifle fight. Definitely the sort of thing that puts you in the running for a Darwin award.

The best Darwin story I heard was the car smashed car found 200 foot up a cliff utterly destroyed, the story is that the guy mounted side-winder rocket engines up to his car to increase performance. His last words; "watch this mates!"

I have never heard Imus be so lucid.

re: #157 MandyManners

Mandy, our tree has been set up for two weeks. Is such a sweet sight to come home to. Merry Christmas back atcha!

(but those are crappy toys)

re: #157 MandyManners

Good to see you, too! How are you? I've suddenly, for no explicable reason, found myself in possession of the Christmas spirit! Yeah, The Kid and I decorated the tree (I like my firs like I like my furs--once living, now dead) today but, never before have I got into the spirit (or, had the spirit get into me) at this early date! I've danced a jig all day while I've done seven loads of laundry and scrubbed bathrooms and cooked.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, LIZARDS!

hey mandy,
i've been feeling that way since dec.1.
merry christmas.

re: #162 MandyManners

I'm lolling.

re: #163 CynicalConservative

I am well, thanks. Ducking from the glow of your energy and holiday spirit though.

DON'T DUCK.

Where's that confounded clue-stick?

The United Nations Security Council has imposed three sets of sanctions to try to get Iran to halt uranium enrichment and other activities, while the United States and Europe have offered economic and security incentives. Yet Iran continues acquiring nuclear technology and stockpiling sensitive material.

"We haven't really moved one inch toward addressing the issues," said Mohamed ElBaradei, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, or IAEA. "I think so far the policy has been a failure."

So let's keep at it!

As an Egyptian who has spent the bulk of his tenure as IAEA chief grappling with the nuclear ambitions of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Libya, he has had a unique understanding of the "psychoses" of Middle Easterners, he said.
"I am able to communicate to them in their own language," he said. "I understand some of their myths, like the conspiracy theories, like a sense of being victims."

The new data regarding the "big bang" is fascinating, with new evidence of more, much more than we ever could have imagined. That there could be galaxies collapsing on themselves and then supernova and rebirth, it suggests something much much bigger. While we want to be all important and having our essence have as profound a meaning to the whole as it is to us, makes us reject the enormity.

He did an analysis of textbooks and found them not to be written by scientists...

Cake!Celebrate Darwin! Eat cake!

Sentience...morality, consciousness. Very interesting connections.

"If God is an interventionist then he is an underachiever"

Very good presentation Charles. Scratched the surface, advanced the conversations - put very well.

Thank you!

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mandy, our tree has been set up for two weeks. Is such a sweet sight to come home to. Merry Christmas back atcha!

(but those are crappy toys)

*WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK
WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK*

Good video Charles. Nice find.

re: #168 Iron Fist

Because thieves will respect Gun Laws. So will drug dealers and your random street thugs. Gun control saves lives!

(the lives of criminals, to be precise)

Of course they will!

/// So says the LLL and O'Bambi

What with the wig on the perfesser?

re: #151 chippy

a choo choo with square wheels? who got that one?

The engineer!

re: #170 MandyManners

DON'T DUCK.

Hiding from the holidays for 25 years running...

re: #161 HelloDare

Mohamed ElBaradei failed.

Did he?

What was his criteria for success?

I think Mohamed ElBaradei got want he wanted.

re: #167 nyc redneck

hey mandy,
i've been feeling that way since dec.1.
merry christmas.

Good for you!

re: #170 MandyManners

DON'T DUCK.

Haar, glad you are in the spirit, I don't get into the spirit until Christmas eve! Christmas has not been one bit of fun since I divorced, but things are a heck of a lot better now mates!

re: #175 swamprat

Good video Charles. Nice find.

It was a good video, but it ended at what sounded like an interesting point.

I've been unable to go to the "full video" to watch the whole thing (my internet connection completely crashes for some reason, which it does from time to time on some sites).

But I wish I could have heard the rest of it.

OT: Interesting things coming over the wire on the last couple of hours:

US Congress / Auto Companies reach accord on bailout - Xinhua

Pakistan expected Indian retaliatory invasion - AFP

re: #169 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm lolling.

Bad for your posture.

re: #143 jcm

Most districts, 80% of calls are medical.

Back in '84 was changing out the rear-end on a 1978 Chevy Impala. Had 2 10 ton jack stands on the frame and a 5 ton jack supporting the center section of the rear-end. Reaching around to put the last bolt in the upper trailing arm and I hear a low rumble. Next thing I know the rear-end is across my right forearm, the gas tank has collapsed and is on my left shoulder, and the frame rail has landed on my hip. For some strange reason, I couldn't breath very well. After about 5 minutes the wife comes out of the house and see's what has happened. she freaks. Runs across the street and gets our neighbor, who jacks the car off me. I roll out from under the car, sitting on the hood smoking a cig, the ambulance arrives and I tell them Yes I was under the car. They picked me up slammed me to the ground cut my clothes off. take me to the hospital, xray every part of me and find NOTHING except a dislocated left shoulder. Doc popped it back into place, gave me some Tylenol (not #3) and sent me home. Wasn't until 2001 when the problem finally showed up.

re: #174 MandyManners
How come your rectangle is bigger than all the others?
How'd you do that?

re: #164 LoFlyer

The best Darwin story I heard was the car smashed car found 200 foot up a cliff utterly destroyed, the story is that the guy mounted side-winder rocket engines up to his car to increase performance. His last words; "watch this mates!"

Last recorded words you mean. His actual last word were probably "Oh Sh[splat]".

re: #171 Kenneth

Where's that confounded clue-stick?

Do he and David Icke and Alex Jones have each other on their cell's speed-dials?

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Aw, cute avatar. Back in my day, we put malaise on our sandwiches!

re: #183 reine.de.tout

I had to go to the fora.tv site and search for 'Padian' to get the full length video.

I liked the point Padian makes about sloppy language and saying "belief" in the science. I've had a few people recently ask me if I believed in evolution, and I've told them no- I accept it's veracity. Bringing in terms like "belief" plays into the hands of the creationists who think science is competing with religion.

re: #158 Alouette

You got trains! We got rocks. And we were grateful.

Evolved the "pet rock" sensation! Now THAT was a GIFT! :)

re: #179 CynicalConservative

Hiding from the holidays for 25 years running...

Any reason you'd share here?

re: #190 Salem

Aw, cute avatar. Back in my day, we put malaise on our sandwiches!

I'm trying to decide if that falls under TMI or not.

re: #180 jcm

I think Mohamed ElBaradei got want he wanted.

Why yes, yes he did.

During the interview, ElBaradei, who is scheduled to retire in about a year, shed his severe public persona, punctuating freewheeling comments about weapons proliferation, world peace and contemporary politics with laughter. He sat surrounded by his collection of African art while wearing a gray pinstriped suit and a bright orange Salvatore Ferragamo tie.

He spoke of possibly living in southern France, where he recently purchased a home.

"It's nice to try something else," he said. "All I know is, I think I would like to continue to do public service."

Mandy, the spirit filled lizard
Had a very shiny tact
And you ever crossed her
She'd make sure that you got whacked!

re: #174 MandyManners

*WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK
WHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACKWHACK*

Careful, Mandy. All that whacking will make you go blind. :)

re: #186 saberry0530

. . .
Doc popped it back into place, gave me some Tylenol (not #3) and sent me home. Wasn't until 2001 when the problem finally showed up.

So, I just looked for you throughout the entire thread to see what was the "problem" that showed up in 2001 . . . are you gonna finish the story?

re: #182 LoFlyer

Haar, glad you are in the spirit, I don't get into the spirit until Christmas eve! Christmas has not been one bit of fun since I divorced, but things are a heck of a lot better now mates!

I usually get into it long about the 20th or so. I've no idea what got into me this year.

re: #191 jaunte

I had to go to the fora.tv site and search for 'Padian' to get the full length video.

thanks, I'll try it.

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Careful, Mandy. All that whacking will make you go blind. :)

Haar!

re: #183 reine.de.tout

In the lower right corner of the video it says "watch full program". Click that.

Or here:

[Link: fora.tv...]

re: #187 yah

How come your rectangle is bigger than all the others?
How'd you do that?

I have a rectangle?

re: #195 CynicalConservative

I'm trying to decide if that falls under TMI or not.

You know-Carter, malaise, shit-sandwich... Aw NM...

re: #192 Sharmuta

I liked the point Padian makes about sloppy language and saying "belief" in the science. I've had a few people recently ask me if I believed in evolution, and I've told them no- I accept it's veracity. Bringing in terms like "belief" plays into the hands of the creationists who think science is competing with religion.

That is a good point. Also there was a point in there about folks not understanding "theory" in the scientific sense.

re: #186 saberry0530

We would have done the same thing, but more gently.

re: #190 Salem

Glad you saw that. The other night you said something to that effect and it just caught me funny.

re: #204 Sharmuta

In the lower right corner of the video it says "watch full program". Click that.

Did. Crashed my internet connection. I'll try it another way.

re: #192 Sharmuta

I liked the point Padian makes about sloppy language and saying "belief" in the science. I've had a few people recently ask me if I believed in evolution, and I've told them no- I accept it's veracity. Bringing in terms like "belief" plays into the hands of the creationists who think science is competing with religion.

Perhaps that's just a reflection on the degredation of our language. Just think how the word "feel" has invaded.

re: #209 reine.de.tout

That is a good point. Also there was a point in there about folks not understanding "theory" in the scientific sense.

We still deal with that issue on these threads- I'm afraid it's a small point that's here to stay.

re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mandy, the spirit filled lizard
Had a very shiny tact
And you ever crossed her
She'd make sure that you got whacked!

LOL!

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Glad you saw that. The other night you said something to that effect and it just caught me funny.

That's a Saturday Night Live shtick. Wish I could take credit for it.

re: #213 MandyManners

Perhaps that's just a reflection on the degredation of our language. Just think how the word "feel" has invaded.

not to mention 'hope' and 'change'.

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Careful, Mandy. All that whacking will make you go blind. :)

It ain't self-whacking.

re: #192 Sharmuta

I've been trying to put that thought about 'not believing in science but accepting its veracity' into words for a long time because I realized "belief" is a misnomer. Thanks for making it clear, I favorited that comment.

Any chance we can declare this the SNDT and leave sensibility to another thread mates?

re: #194 MandyManners

Any reason you'd share here?

General cynicism in how holiday's are treated vs. the reason they were created as holidays to begin with. Christmas is the worst for me with the gross commercialism and random traditions that don't seem to tie back in any way to the religious origins of it.

re: #214 Sharmuta

We still deal with that issue on these threads- I'm afraid it's a small point that's here to stay.

Yeah, that's what I thought about when I heard that, how many times has that been discussed here? And some people are blind and deaf when it comes to understanding it.

re: #199 Iron Fist

The existing gun laws are a complete clusterfuck. You will likely spend more time in prison for having an unregiserted machinegun than you would for rape. I'd argue that that is so disproportinate as to ammount to cruel and unusal punishment.

Very well said and completely agree.

re: #217 nyc redneck

not to mention 'hope' and 'change'.

I'm talking about a long-term invasion.

re: #206 MandyManners
Yes, the rectangle all of our posts are in - all of them go about an inch from the gray line to the right, your big whack post rectangle goes all the way to the line -

re: #218 MandyManners

It ain't self-whacking.

True, I just needed a laugh. The snow made for a slow sales day today here in Chicagoland.

re: #220 LoFlyer

Any chance we can declare this the SNDT and leave sensibility to another thread mates?

Not a bad idea!

re: #200 reine.de.tout

So, I just looked for you throughout the entire thread to see what was the "problem" that showed up in 2001 . . . are you gonna finish the story?

Left scapula was cracked behind the ball from the pressure of the car. Developed a Unicameral Bone Cyst that literally devoured the good bone in the shoulder blade. The cat scan before the surgery revealed that I had broken my scapula 11 times over the years. No wonder the damned thing hurt all the time. Funny thing about UBC's, they normally are found in 8 to 14 year olds. 3 surgeries and 6 years later its' finally gone. Recovery time for the first surgery was 5 months.

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

No it won't. Trust me.

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

True, I just needed a laugh. The snow made for a slow sales day today here in Chicagoland.

Snow in Chicago is a test of endurance, only those with a sense of humor need apply!

re: #183 reine.de.tout

They manage to jam evolution and religious thought into the same box; It's a sloppy fit, but they don't care...Then they add in a dig at those atheists who have absolutely no doubts about their own consequence in this huge universe. Add in some fascinating evo-facts about whale lineage, and you have the Church and Science warily circling each other before they quite cautiously shake hands.

re: #228 saberry0530

Left scapula was cracked behind the ball from the pressure of the car. Developed a Unicameral Bone Cyst that literally devoured the good bone in the shoulder blade. The cat scan before the surgery revealed that I had broken my scapula 11 times over the years. No wonder the damned thing hurt all the time. Funny thing about UBC's, they normally are found in 8 to 14 year olds. 3 surgeries and 6 years later its' finally gone. Recovery time for the first surgery was 5 months.

Bummer mate! Glad you have recovered, that cannot have been any fun...

re: #228 saberry0530

Left scapula was cracked behind the ball from the pressure of the car. Developed a Unicameral Bone Cyst that literally devoured the good bone in the shoulder blade. The cat scan before the surgery revealed that I had broken my scapula 11 times over the years. No wonder the damned thing hurt all the time. Funny thing about UBC's, they normally are found in 8 to 14 year olds. 3 surgeries and 6 years later its' finally gone. Recovery time for the first surgery was 5 months.

Good grief! I can't believe that went on for that long and neither you nor your doctors had any idea!
Or wait! Are you one of those guys like the Roi, who NEVER sees a doc for anything?

Why is it that the creationists and hardcore materialists sound disturbingly like one another? Look, God Almighty isn't just a carbon copy of us. God isn't constrained by space time. In fact, the best guess is that space time is itself a divine creation. Do you all understand what that means? It means that science and religion ultimately can't say anything about one another. All of the physical development of the universe and all of the course of evelution can simply be a stroke of God's brush on the universe of space and time that He/She/It created. The point being that the course of events is itself God's creation. Yeah I know that possibility is hard for you to wrap your little minds around. It's a lot more fun for the Discovery Institute folks to try to pretend that everything HAS to support a literal interpretation of scrpture and it's a lot more fun for the Dawkins devotees to play with their peckers about how much more rational they are than everyone else. But, here is the bottom line, God isn't subject to our presumptions and self-aggrandizement.

re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I always felt sorry for the kids that ended up with those shitty toys in the ending credits.

This is the quote of the night for our household! My husband and I are in hysterics.

re: #221 CynicalConservative

General cynicism in how holiday's are treated vs. the reason they were created as holidays to begin with. Christmas is the worst for me with the gross commercialism and random traditions that don't seem to tie back in any way to the religious origins of it.

Full disclosure as well,

I don't believe in organized religion, I don't have kids, I respect each person's choice in both of these areas.

re: #221 CynicalConservative

General cynicism in how holiday's are treated vs. the reason they were created as holidays to begin with. Christmas is the worst for me with the gross commercialism and random traditions that don't seem to tie back in any way to the religious origins of it.

I got over that by realizing that Christ's birth is not the reason for the season. His birth likely did not happen during this period. From what I've gathered, this is an adaptation of pagan holidays by the Roman Catholic church many years ago.

However, our society has adopted this time to reach out to others and give gifts, to share a communal feeling.

Maybe I'm full of shit. But, there you go!

Memorable quote; "science does not explain, science describes.

Two idiots.

re: #225 yah

Yes, the rectangle all of our posts are in - all of them go about an inch from the gray line to the right, your big whack post rectangle goes all the way to the line -

Oh, no. I blew the margin?! I hit the RETURN button just to avoid that.

GAH1

re: #213 MandyManners

Perhaps that's just a reflection on the degredation of our language. Just think how the word "feel" has invaded.

"Atheism is a religion in the same way that creationism is a science or Islam is a religion of peace. In other words, when language no longer means anything."
~Pat Condell

re: #230 LoFlyer

Snow in Chicago is a test of endurance, only those with a sense of humor need apply!

Especially this year. The streets are being plowed but not until the main snowfall has passed (except main throughfares, which are kept clear). Chicago and most of its suburbs have had to cut their plowing budgets because of the recession and, given the long-range predictions, this winter will be decidedly unpleasant. Lots of snow and no vacation. Nothing to be done save endure and wait for better times.

re: #238 MandyManners

I got over that by realizing that Christ's birth is not the reason for the season. His birth likely did not happen during this period. From what I've gathered, this is an adaptation of pagan holidays by the Roman Catholic church many years ago.

However, our society has adopted this time to reach out to others and give gifts, to share a communal feeling.

Maybe I'm full of shit. But, there you go!

Haar! Good thoughts Mandy! Thanks for the insight...

re: #222 reine.de.tout

Yeah, that's what I thought about when I heard that, how many times has that been discussed here? And some people are blind and deaf when it comes to understanding it.

And you and I both know that some of these people may be honestly not sure what's going on with this ongoing discussion. We were able to learn and so are others. So, we'll have to keep informing people of the difference. It's their reaction that will clue us in as to whether or not they're honest or if they're here to shill the ID line.

re: #233 reine.de.tout

Good grief! I can't believe that went on for that long and neither you nor your doctors had any idea!
Or wait! Are you one of those guys like the Roi, who NEVER sees a doc for anything?

No, It hurt like hell and I went to 5 or 6 different doctors, took significant amounts of Loritabs, and had a number of MRI and Xrays. It took an Old Navy ortho doctor who goes, "I haven't seen one of these in 30 years". Next day I was in surgery.

re: #219 Basho

Thanks- that means a lot to me, Basho.

re: #238 MandyManners

I got over that by realizing that Christ's birth is not the reason for the season. His birth likely did not happen during this period. From what I've gathered, this is an adaptation of pagan holidays by the Roman Catholic church many years ago.

However, our society has adopted this time to reach out to others and give gifts, to share a communal feeling.

Maybe I'm full of shit. But, there you go!

My 237 probably clarifies a bit as well on the religious aspects of it. I tend to bristle at things that are "expected" regardless of understanding and belief which is part and parcel to how I was raised. As it stands now, my choice is avoidance and tolerance by exclusion. I realize that I have much to learn and experience but its a personal journey.

re: #234 Bill Dalasio

Why is it that the creationists and hardcore materialists sound disturbingly like one another? Look, God Almighty isn't just a carbon copy of us. God isn't constrained by space time. In fact, the best guess is that space time is itself a divine creation. Do you all understand what that means? It means that science and religion ultimately can't say anything about one another. All of the physical development of the universe and all of the course of evelution can simply be a stroke of God's brush on the universe of space and time that He/She/It created. The point being that the course of events is itself God's creation. Yeah I know that possibility is hard for you to wrap your little minds around. It's a lot more fun for the Discovery Institute folks to try to pretend that everything HAS to support a literal interpretation of scrpture and it's a lot more fun for the Dawkins devotees to play with their peckers about how much more rational they are than everyone else. But, here is the bottom line, God isn't subject to our presumptions and self-aggrandizement.

Wow, man! I sort of agree with you but it sounds like you're smokin'.

re: #234 Bill Dalasio

You make some a good points, but they will probably be discarded because of your insults.

re: #236 Iron Fist

Back in the USMC days I had a half cast that I cut off my left fore-arm, installed some hinges and then put it back on. The itching was driving me crazy! Navy Docs took extreme umbrage for some reason.

re: #246 saberry0530

No, It hurt like hell and I went to 5 or 6 different doctors, took significant amounts of Loritabs, and had a number of MRI and Xrays. It took an Old Navy ortho doctor who goes, "I haven't seen one of these in 30 years". Next day I was in surgery.

Yaar, the navy has two kinds of doctors, either the best in the world or near incompetent! Glad you found a good one who could straighten you out mate...

re: #18 Salem

I'm getting no audio.

Aha! I had to close Firefox and reopen it...

re: #235 livefreeor die

If I was cool laid back lizard I'd ignore that post. But I'm not, so...
Gush! Wheeze! Thanks! Glad I made ya happy.

re: #246 saberry0530

No, It hurt like hell and I went to 5 or 6 different doctors, took significant amounts of Loritabs, and had a number of MRI and Xrays. It took an Old Navy ortho doctor who goes, "I haven't seen one of these in 30 years". Next day I was in surgery.

They must not have been looking at a grown man expecting to see something that normally occurs in boys or teens.

I have a medical condition that normally occurs in children, who then outgrow it. In my case, it appeared when I was 40 and I will not outgrow it; but it took the doc 12 years to figure it out.

re: #255 reine.de.tout

They must not have been looking at a grown man expecting to see something that normally occurs in boys or teens.

I have a medical condition that normally occurs in children, who then outgrow it. In my case, it appeared when I was 40 and I will not outgrow it; but it took the doc 12 years to figure it out.

SO that makes us both young at heart!

re: #256 saberry0530

SO that makes us both young at heart!

heh.
Yep.
At least, until I look in the mirror LOL!

re: #257 reine.de.tout

heh.
Yep.
At least, until I look in the mirror LOL!

I was talking to my Mom who is near 80 and was telling me she did not feel old one bit. 'Me hats off to you dad! Good work!

re: #242 Basho

"Atheism is a religion in the same way that creationism is a science or Islam is a religion of peace. In other words, when language no longer means anything."
~Pat Condell

Ah, Pat.

I wonder how he's doing nowadays.

Do you think we could sponser his petition to immigrate to the U.S.A.?

re: #244 LoFlyer

Haar! Good thoughts Mandy! Thanks for the insight...

I'm no scholar.

re: #192 Sharmuta

Remember the Republican Primary debate in which the candidates were asked if they believed in evolution? What an idiotic question!